1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,440 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,380 agent Kyle Seraf. Hello, my friends. 7 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:24,020 Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show. 8 00:00:24,020 --> 00:00:25,420 You got a little preview right there. 9 00:00:25,420 --> 00:00:27,500 You got just a little taste of who we're going to be bringing 10 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,460 on in just a second. But first, I do want to say 11 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:31,180 thanks to all of you for joining us live. 12 00:00:31,180 --> 00:00:33,780 Coming you streaming from Liberty Hill, TX. 13 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:37,300 It's 8:30 in the morning here. It's 6:30 in the morning where 14 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:39,660 my guest is sitting. So he got up nice and early. 15 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:43,380 And having been a Arizona resident for most of the last 12 16 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:44,820 months, I know exactly what that's like. 17 00:00:44,820 --> 00:00:47,260 When someone says, hey, come join me for my show, It's going 18 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:49,500 to be at 4:30 your time. How do you feel about waking up 19 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:50,580 and crawling out in the darkness? 20 00:00:50,860 --> 00:00:53,620 So I've done that and I'm very appreciative of Jake for joining 21 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:54,620 us. 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It's taking a little bit of time 56 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:23,880 to incorporate in Delaware, but we are getting this thing done 57 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,560 all right without too much further ado. 58 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,160 I don't want to keep them waiting any longer. 59 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,560 I want to bring on America's Shaman. 60 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:33,100 This is Jake Chansley. Buddy, thanks for joining us. 61 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:34,220 Thanks for waking up really early. 62 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:36,700 I know what that's like. Yeah, not a problem. 63 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:39,420 I'm glad to be here, and it's an honor to be in the presence of a 64 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:42,820 strong individual like yourself who blew the whistle when it 65 00:02:42,820 --> 00:02:45,100 needed to be blown. It did need to be blown. 66 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:48,210 I wanna, I want to kind of walk back in time a little bit. 67 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:50,610 I think people are familiar with seeing you and some of the 68 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:52,610 costume paint. They've seen you in the in kind 69 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:54,010 of the thumbnail picture that we have. 70 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:55,490 But I want to get a better picture. 71 00:02:55,810 --> 00:02:58,050 Any audience that can understand, you know, the the 72 00:02:58,050 --> 00:03:00,170 human lens that that brought you to a point. 73 00:03:00,290 --> 00:03:02,610 I'm sure that you didn't expect to be making national news and 74 00:03:02,730 --> 00:03:05,010 being the face of January 6th for so many people. 75 00:03:05,290 --> 00:03:07,370 I imagine that was probably the last thing on your mind when you 76 00:03:07,370 --> 00:03:09,490 went to DC. So I want to walk to that point 77 00:03:09,490 --> 00:03:12,440 1st and give people a picture of who you are as a human being, 78 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,920 how you grew up and all that kind of thing. 79 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:16,440 So can you tell me where you were born and maybe the family 80 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,680 that you grew up in a little bit about it? 81 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,360 Sure. Born and raised in Phoenix, AZ. 82 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 You know, I have a couple younger siblings. 83 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,600 I went to, you know, government school. 84 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,480 I went into the Navy after I turned 18. 85 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,850 Two years in the Navy and I got. The general discharge under 86 00:03:40,850 --> 00:03:43,890 honorable conditions because I refused to take the anthrax 87 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:47,930 vaccine. So I came home and, you know, 88 00:03:47,930 --> 00:03:51,850 got various jobs working at a hardware store, working at a sub 89 00:03:51,850 --> 00:03:55,290 shop, trying to sell Kirby vacuums. 90 00:03:57,210 --> 00:04:01,690 Then somewhere along the lines, I realized that I wanted to work 91 00:04:01,690 --> 00:04:05,450 with kids, so I started working in Group homes with troubled 92 00:04:05,450 --> 00:04:08,930 teen boys, and I did that for 6 1/2 years. 93 00:04:09,510 --> 00:04:15,870 And all the while I was writing, I was researching, I was walking 94 00:04:15,870 --> 00:04:19,029 my shamanic path, you know, walking the path of the shamanic 95 00:04:19,070 --> 00:04:22,470 practitioner. And shortly thereafter, you 96 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:29,430 know, 2020 hit, COVID-19, 84 hit, and the riots of 2020 along 97 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:31,910 with it. So I kind of started to look at 98 00:04:31,910 --> 00:04:35,430 the political landscape and realized that as a spiritual 99 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:38,230 activist, which I consider myself a spiritual activist, not 100 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:41,330 a political one. As a spiritual activist, it was 101 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:45,290 my shamanic duty to get out there and spread the truth. 102 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:49,930 So you just mentioned that you had a discharge under honorable 103 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:53,530 circumstances, a general discharge for the anthrax 104 00:04:53,570 --> 00:04:54,970 vaccine. That would have been, what, 105 00:04:54,970 --> 00:04:56,810 2002, 2003, ish. Is that when that was? 106 00:04:57,890 --> 00:05:01,930 Well, I I joined in 2005 and left in 2007. 107 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:04,410 Now my understanding was is there was some court cases and I 108 00:05:04,410 --> 00:05:06,370 don't know when they got settled, but essentially they 109 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:09,770 ruled that your right to refuse the anthrax vaccine was 110 00:05:10,050 --> 00:05:12,010 appropriate. There were a number of soldiers 111 00:05:12,010 --> 00:05:14,250 and sailors that actually got back pay and reinstated. 112 00:05:14,250 --> 00:05:15,850 Because of that. There was a legit problem. 113 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:17,250 I know a lot of people had issues with that. 114 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:18,570 Vax. What? 115 00:05:18,570 --> 00:05:20,250 What made you refuse at that point in time? 116 00:05:21,470 --> 00:05:26,030 Well, like many people with the COVID-19 84 vaccine, I did my 117 00:05:26,030 --> 00:05:30,590 research, I did my research. All you have to do is do a 118 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:33,790 little bit of digging and you find that one in 500 males 119 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:36,070 become sterile with the anthrax vaccine. 120 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:39,230 There's all sorts of people that have been crippled due to blood 121 00:05:39,230 --> 00:05:42,190 clots in their legs. There's all sorts of negative 122 00:05:42,190 --> 00:05:45,950 side effects, neurological disorders, stuff like that. 123 00:05:45,950 --> 00:05:50,370 Some people even died. So I thought, well that's no 124 00:05:50,370 --> 00:05:52,530 good. I'm, I don't want to take that. 125 00:05:52,530 --> 00:05:54,690 Why would I want to take that? And the other thing is, is that 126 00:05:54,970 --> 00:05:58,210 the anthrax vaccine only protects, protects against the 127 00:05:58,210 --> 00:06:02,090 skin borne illness. So if we were to be attacked 128 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:08,210 through a respiratory or aerosol form of anthrax, the vaccine 129 00:06:08,650 --> 00:06:11,370 wouldn't have helped us at all. So I thought, well, what's the 130 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:13,690 point in taking something that isn't going to actually do the 131 00:06:13,690 --> 00:06:15,730 job if we're going to be attacked with? 132 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Anthrax. And it has all these negative 133 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,040 side effects. No, I'm not doing that. 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,320 It makes perfect sense to me. What, what sort of negative 135 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,560 consequences did you foresee when you said no being in the 136 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,760 military? Well, you know, restriction dock 137 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:39,480 in pay and discharge from the Navy, but that was worth it as 138 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,960 far as I was concerned cuz I'd like to have children. 139 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,600 And I don't want to screw my body up for the rest of my life 140 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,200 because of the choice I made to join the military at a young 141 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,080 age. So. 142 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,840 And The thing is that the military, God love them. 143 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:54,560 The people at the Pentagon, you know, people at the Pentagon 144 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,040 don't care about the people in the lower ranks as far as 145 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,680 they're concerned, their number. And I'm more than just a number. 146 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,040 It's interesting you mentioned that I I've seen a lot of guys 147 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,400 go to the Pentagon and come back and they're very different as 148 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,560 commanders. You know, they start off one way 149 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,970 and then you see them, you know, rejoin the force at A at a 150 00:07:12,970 --> 00:07:14,130 higher rank that you should go there. 151 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:16,610 When they're an E5 or an E6, they come back and they're not 152 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:18,290 the same guy. I don't know what the political 153 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:20,490 indoctrination is, but obviously you saw something similar as 154 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:23,010 well. Yeah, I will. 155 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:25,130 I mean, you know, The thing is the military is full of 156 00:07:25,330 --> 00:07:28,410 honorable men and women, full of great people. 157 00:07:28,770 --> 00:07:31,890 But the other part that's kind of sad about the military, and I 158 00:07:31,890 --> 00:07:34,850 think this is all government employees for the most part, is 159 00:07:34,850 --> 00:07:40,930 that as you get promoted, you get promoted. 160 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:44,910 Because you do what you're told without question, and that's 161 00:07:44,910 --> 00:07:47,590 dangerous. It is. 162 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:50,750 It's funny that you say it that way because my my original 163 00:07:50,750 --> 00:07:54,590 producer, my producer emeritus if you will, who's a former FBI 164 00:07:54,590 --> 00:07:57,790 agent, said that a GS15, that's the top of the the regular pay 165 00:07:57,790 --> 00:07:59,590 scale before you move into the executive ranks. 166 00:08:00,310 --> 00:08:03,830 A GS15 in the FBI is someone who's never said no to a bad 167 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:05,670 idea. It sounds like you saw something 168 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:07,710 very, very similar from the military end of things. 169 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:13,590 Oh, yeah, You know, And then people got promoted for getting 170 00:08:13,590 --> 00:08:16,550 a good grade on a test. Come on now. 171 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:19,870 That's not quite how it is now, but that's how it was when I was 172 00:08:19,870 --> 00:08:21,470 in. And now you have to have a 173 00:08:21,470 --> 00:08:27,870 degree in order to move up, which I mean, okay, that's, I 174 00:08:27,870 --> 00:08:30,550 guess okay. But like. 175 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:35,970 There are so many chiefs out there, we call them salty chiefs 176 00:08:36,130 --> 00:08:39,010 that have been in the Navy for 20 years. 177 00:08:39,409 --> 00:08:43,250 And then you get some young officer, some Ensign or 178 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:46,410 something fresh out of officer school. 179 00:08:46,410 --> 00:08:49,490 And they come in thinking that they know And it's like, well, 180 00:08:49,570 --> 00:08:52,850 actually this this chief has been out on more deployments 181 00:08:52,850 --> 00:08:55,850 than you can count and he knows exactly what he's doing. 182 00:08:55,850 --> 00:09:00,250 I would take his advice, but. In Officer Candidate School, 183 00:09:00,250 --> 00:09:06,090 they basically help people to become, shall we say, good 184 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:08,770 little machines. Yeah. 185 00:09:08,770 --> 00:09:10,290 Wheels are cogs in the machine, right. 186 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:12,490 They just, they do their part and everybody is part of it. 187 00:09:12,490 --> 00:09:13,810 And and part of that is the military. 188 00:09:13,810 --> 00:09:16,090 I I think we can kind of empathize with that, but. 189 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:18,250 Absolutely. But that's not what leadership 190 00:09:18,250 --> 00:09:21,050 is, I think. No, I think that's the issue. 191 00:09:22,090 --> 00:09:25,260 Yes, I want to dig. I want to dig a little further 192 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:25,900 in. So we we. 193 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:27,300 You're out of the Navy. You've said no. 194 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:28,900 You've already shown kind of a strong principle. 195 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:30,420 That's not a thing. I didn't know that about you, by 196 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:31,420 the way. I didn't know you refused the 197 00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:33,380 anthrax vaccine. At that time you decided you 198 00:09:33,380 --> 00:09:35,660 wanted to work with kids. What was that instinct? 199 00:09:35,660 --> 00:09:37,940 What was that urge? And then maybe get a little 200 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:39,980 specific about the the time working in Group homes. 201 00:09:41,260 --> 00:09:47,380 Well, I have a strong proclivity for helping children, especially 202 00:09:47,380 --> 00:09:51,400 troubled children. God loved my dad. 203 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,520 He wasn't the best role model growing up. 204 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,560 So I looked up to people like Christ. 205 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:59,080 I looked up to people like Buddha. 206 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,960 And after a while I came to understand that you don't really 207 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,040 have a lot of positive male role models out there. 208 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,840 A lot of these kids at the group home were idolizing rappers. 209 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:15,340 And drug dealers and stuff like that. 210 00:10:15,340 --> 00:10:19,300 Or they they came from either broken homes or homes that were, 211 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:23,420 shall we say, headed by less than reputable men. 212 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:27,860 So I thought to myself, well, it's a part of the shamanic 213 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:32,660 tradition to ask ourselves at any crossroads, how will this 214 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:35,540 decision affect 7 generations from now? 215 00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:38,100 And we don't really do that these days. 216 00:10:38,410 --> 00:10:41,330 So as soon as I started to do that, I realized that working 217 00:10:41,330 --> 00:10:46,370 with kids was essential for the survival of humanity in the 218 00:10:46,370 --> 00:10:49,730 future of our nation. So that's when I started to work 219 00:10:49,730 --> 00:10:53,970 with kids in Group homes. And it was very, very tough 220 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:56,130 work, but it was also very rewarding. 221 00:10:56,330 --> 00:11:00,570 Something I'm sure that you can understand being the ex FBI. 222 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:03,500 Yeah, there's, there's moments there that we're rewarding for 223 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:04,860 sure. Obviously some that were not. 224 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:08,220 You've mentioned now Christ, Buddha and a shamanic tradition, 225 00:11:08,220 --> 00:11:10,180 these are all sort of spiritual and faith-based things. 226 00:11:10,180 --> 00:11:14,300 Can you talk about the formation of your faith, which I I've 227 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:17,500 heard in other interviews is very integral to your existence. 228 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:19,500 I think actually Bill Shipley said that in a space that I was 229 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:22,900 listening to, you talk about how you formed it, where you grew up 230 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,940 with it, where it started and how it evolved and maybe what it 231 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:27,860 sits at right now, the way that you look at the world with the 232 00:11:27,860 --> 00:11:29,500 spiritual lenses that you're looking at. 233 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:32,170 Sure. Well, I've always been 234 00:11:32,170 --> 00:11:33,850 interested, ever since I was a child. 235 00:11:33,850 --> 00:11:37,690 And shamanism. I've always wondered, like, what 236 00:11:37,690 --> 00:11:40,810 are those dudes in the feather headdresses and face paint, 237 00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:44,410 dancing around a fire, banging on a drum, singing a song? 238 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:46,290 What are they? What do they know? 239 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:49,490 I know that they know something that we lost here in the West. 240 00:11:49,490 --> 00:11:53,290 I know they know something we lost in modern materialism, but 241 00:11:53,290 --> 00:11:57,320 I didn't quite know what. And after a while I started to 242 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,240 look deeply, deeply into it and listening to lectures, reading 243 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,320 books, I even went to the sweat lodges and stuff like that. 244 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,480 And after a while it became quite clear that they did know 245 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,320 something that we lost. And so I wanted to know what 246 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,280 that was and I began to initiate myself, which is very rare being 247 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,920 a self initiated shamanic practitioner, usually you have 248 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:24,520 like a a mentor of some sort. I began to initiate myself into 249 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,870 these. Shamanic traditions. 250 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:30,070 And I would just do the research and say, oh, this is what they 251 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:31,470 did, okay, well, I'm going to do that. 252 00:12:31,510 --> 00:12:33,030 Oh, this is what they did. All right. 253 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:36,550 I'm doing that. And eventually, over time, it 254 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:41,910 helped me to grasp, fathom and grasp the totality of existence. 255 00:12:42,190 --> 00:12:46,790 Fathom and grasp our role as human beings in our 256 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:51,750 interconnected nature, not just to to Mother Nature, but also to 257 00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:56,970 Father God. And that was a very profound 258 00:12:56,970 --> 00:13:03,050 experience for me, because it helped me to really integrate my 259 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:08,530 spiritual beliefs with modern science and an understanding, 260 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:11,130 because I've always been interested in physics and stuff 261 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:13,690 like that as well, Quantum physics, celestial mechanics, 262 00:13:13,690 --> 00:13:16,170 etcetera. It helped me to understand how 263 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:18,210 it is that the ancient shamans man. 264 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:20,820 They already understood everything that we're just 265 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:25,180 starting to understand now in the West and in modern science. 266 00:13:25,620 --> 00:13:31,220 And so once I kind of started to grasp how it is that these two 267 00:13:31,220 --> 00:13:34,820 things were, you know, blending and basically two different 268 00:13:34,940 --> 00:13:39,140 civilizations speaking the same language, I really started to 269 00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:42,700 look at the world differently. And I think that the reason why 270 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:45,980 our socioeconomic and geopolitical systems are so 271 00:13:45,980 --> 00:13:50,710 corrupt and so distorted. Is because our spiritual view of 272 00:13:50,710 --> 00:13:55,790 reality has become so distorted and our spiritual institutions 273 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:58,990 have become so corrupt, we've really lost some anchoring. 274 00:13:58,990 --> 00:14:01,150 I think is I think that's correct. 275 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:04,630 So now the way that you've been presented is kind of cartoonish 276 00:14:04,630 --> 00:14:06,270 and what I'm trying to do is get to the. 277 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:08,190 I think that would be a fair characterization. 278 00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:10,070 That's the only way that I ever saw it and I don't think that's 279 00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:12,470 fair for any human being. So what I want to do is, I heard 280 00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:15,310 you say things like mentorship, and I heard you talk about 281 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:17,510 reading and selfeducating along this path. 282 00:14:17,930 --> 00:14:21,610 Will you talk about one, the mentor, whoever this person was, 283 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:23,770 where if they were several kind of characteristics that you 284 00:14:23,770 --> 00:14:25,490 sought out? And then the second, what 285 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:28,490 authors were you reading? What specific books in the 286 00:14:28,530 --> 00:14:31,530 shamanistic tradition so that people can get kind of a grasp 287 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:34,690 of where that evolved out of because we all come from 288 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:35,970 somewhere. I'd like to know what that is. 289 00:14:36,950 --> 00:14:42,470 Right, Well I'm largely a self initiated shamanic practitioner. 290 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:46,350 I you know, fortunately, as weird as it is, I didn't have a 291 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:50,590 mentor along the shamanic path. If I had to pick somebody that I 292 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,470 looked up to, I I've already given the names of Christ and 293 00:14:53,470 --> 00:14:57,790 Buddha and that's pretty much where it lands when it comes to 294 00:14:57,790 --> 00:15:02,770 like literature, I would say. Terrence McKenna really 295 00:15:02,770 --> 00:15:06,050 understands the shamanic traditions very well and he's a 296 00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:07,770 very eloquent speaker and author. 297 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:11,530 I listen to a lot of his lectures as well. 298 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:23,050 Also there is, let's see, Carlos Castaneda is a controversial 299 00:15:23,050 --> 00:15:25,330 figure. There's a lot of people that 300 00:15:25,330 --> 00:15:28,150 think that. The stuff that he wrote in his 301 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:31,550 books was just anthropological study that he didn't actually 302 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:35,430 experience these things. And I kind of came to the 303 00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:38,110 conclusion that it really didn't matter whether he experienced it 304 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:40,630 or not. If the data is there and if 305 00:15:40,630 --> 00:15:43,830 these things are a part of the shamanic tradition, then we 306 00:15:43,830 --> 00:15:46,030 don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. 307 00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:53,910 So that's another example. And you know when you realize 308 00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:55,710 that the Kingdom of heaven is within. 309 00:15:56,500 --> 00:16:02,100 And that all wisdom and truth and knowledge is in your heart, 310 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:06,540 and that you are a human being made in the image of God. 311 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:11,300 Then you realize that you really don't need anything other than 312 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:15,700 your heart, a love for God and your own experiences of the 313 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:19,060 divine in order to reach enlightenment. 314 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,920 I read a lot of Carlos Castaneda. 315 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,760 It was something my father was really into. 316 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,240 So I grew up around that. And the art of dreaming was was 317 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,360 one that I know that I've read at least a couple times over and 318 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,320 over again and tried to practice some of those things. 319 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 It just active dreaming and some of those techniques really, 320 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,960 really an interesting sort of tradition. 321 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,600 And I'm not sure that it's at odds necessarily with people's 322 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,600 Christianity. It may be, but I don't. 323 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,640 I haven't, I haven't experienced anything I said that was 324 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,800 antithetical to it. I grew up in Catholic school. 325 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,690 So kind of interesting. It's always kind of fun to think 326 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:50,450 about who the thought leaders are in that the books that 327 00:16:50,450 --> 00:16:52,330 shaped you. I'm, I'm appreciative of kind of 328 00:16:52,330 --> 00:16:54,810 learning some of that. And so as you evaluated those 329 00:16:54,810 --> 00:16:56,610 and as you looked at the world and you, you said that we are 330 00:16:56,610 --> 00:16:59,050 basically we didn't have that anchor, we didn't have that 331 00:16:59,050 --> 00:17:02,530 fundamental rooting in our political discussions about the 332 00:17:02,530 --> 00:17:03,730 way that our spiritual world was. 333 00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:08,650 How did that lead you to the political situation that put you 334 00:17:08,650 --> 00:17:10,450 in front of the capital of January 6th? 335 00:17:10,450 --> 00:17:14,329 There's there's got to be some active call and I'm curious what 336 00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:16,450 that what what you felt called to do and and what you were 337 00:17:16,450 --> 00:17:18,930 trying to accomplish when you went to Washington DC in 2021? 338 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:25,010 Well, I've had shamanic traditions, shamanic visions of 339 00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:26,770 the future, and shamanic traditions. 340 00:17:26,770 --> 00:17:31,890 Having visions of the future or premonitions is not strange, 341 00:17:33,330 --> 00:17:35,810 especially for the highly developed shamanic practitioner. 342 00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:41,410 Everybody's gifts are different. So I've had visions of the 343 00:17:41,410 --> 00:17:43,410 future. I saw where it was that we were 344 00:17:43,410 --> 00:17:46,170 going if we didn't do something now. 345 00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:53,890 And when it comes to like the political stuff, I came to 346 00:17:53,890 --> 00:17:59,770 believe and understand that we were blind because we were 347 00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:02,410 following. We were lost because we were 348 00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:06,370 following blind leaders. And I mean. 349 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:10,270 I once heard a saying that says anybody that's smart doesn't get 350 00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:13,270 into politics. That's why we're, you know, a 351 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:20,310 country run by idiots. So I think that at this point, 352 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:25,910 we are a society that has become socially and morally bankrupt 353 00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:30,230 because of the institutions that we are allowing to govern our 354 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:33,270 lives. And identity politics, 355 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:35,790 Propaganda. The Mockingbird media. 356 00:18:36,980 --> 00:18:41,260 Pop culture, all of these things have distorted our spiritual 357 00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:45,660 view of reality. They've and it's from that 358 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:49,900 spiritual distortion that we are making the decisions that we're 359 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:52,940 making it in. That spiritual distortion, if it 360 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:56,620 can be condensed into a few words, is it's based on the 361 00:18:56,620 --> 00:19:00,740 illusion of separation. We are an interconnected whole, 362 00:19:01,060 --> 00:19:04,980 connected to God, connected to nature, connected to each other. 363 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:09,620 But we're making decisions based on this illusion of separation, 364 00:19:09,620 --> 00:19:13,620 based on this illusion that what we do, what we think, what we 365 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:17,060 say, how we feel, what we, how we behave, that none of these 366 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:19,380 things really make a difference when they actually make a 367 00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:22,220 massive difference. Now, some people will say, well, 368 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:25,020 it's just a drop in the bucket, you know, a drop in the ocean. 369 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:29,940 Well, Gandhi once said, what you do is of little importance, but 370 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:32,060 it's very important that you do it. 371 00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:37,010 So I think that we've kind of been sold a line by these 372 00:19:37,450 --> 00:19:40,530 leaders. And when it comes to January 373 00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:46,090 6th, I I was also in Washington DC on December 12th for the 374 00:19:46,090 --> 00:19:51,130 second Mega Millions March in 2020 and everything was fine, 375 00:19:51,410 --> 00:19:54,090 everything was peaceful, everything was wonderful, it was 376 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:56,570 great. I enjoyed it quite a lot. 377 00:19:57,090 --> 00:20:01,450 I also I I thought that that was what we were going to get more 378 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,890 of. On January 6th. 379 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:07,610 But then there's also the fact that Washington DC is built on 380 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:10,410 electromagnetic lay lines. I don't know if you're familiar 381 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:12,890 with like the idea of the lay lines and stuff like that. 382 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:14,850 Feel free. Break it down for people who 383 00:20:14,850 --> 00:20:18,970 don't. OK, so electromagnetic lay lines 384 00:20:18,970 --> 00:20:22,690 are the electromagnetic lines that surround the earth. 385 00:20:22,930 --> 00:20:25,860 So the Earth that has an electromagnetic field, and that 386 00:20:25,860 --> 00:20:28,260 electromagnetic field not just surrounds the Earth, it goes all 387 00:20:28,260 --> 00:20:30,300 the way down to the core of our planet. 388 00:20:30,580 --> 00:20:33,620 And so because of that fact, there are certain portions of 389 00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:35,420 the planet, there are certain locations where these 390 00:20:35,420 --> 00:20:38,460 electromagnetic lines cross the surface. 391 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:40,860 And then there's also certain portions where these 392 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:43,820 electromagnetic lines actually cross each other. 393 00:20:44,340 --> 00:20:48,740 OK, now that is where ancient cultures have built pyramids. 394 00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:50,380 That's where they've built obelisks. 395 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,580 That's where they built their ancient temples. 396 00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:56,570 That's where they've built their ancient buildings, medicine 397 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:58,650 wheels in the Native American tradition. 398 00:20:59,290 --> 00:21:03,890 So Washington, DC is built on lay lines. 399 00:21:03,890 --> 00:21:08,010 The Washington Monument, the Capitol Building, the Lincoln 400 00:21:08,010 --> 00:21:11,890 Memorial, the Supreme Court, the White House, the Jefferson 401 00:21:11,890 --> 00:21:15,250 Memorial, all of them are built on electromagnetic lay lines. 402 00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:18,570 And this is designed to channel the energy, the electromagnetic 403 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:23,950 energy in the ecosystem to and through these buildings of power 404 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:27,350 or through these monuments. That's why, like the Lincoln 405 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:30,990 Memorial is basically like a massive harmonic chamber. 406 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:38,790 So sound and singing, drumming, dancing all of these things are 407 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:41,470 a part of the shamanic tradition because when you go to the lay 408 00:21:41,470 --> 00:21:45,830 lines and you sing your shamanic song, you bang on your drum and 409 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:49,750 you know you dance. These things end up affecting 410 00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:53,080 the quantum realm. They end up changing the what's 411 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,600 called the the quantum entangled universe. 412 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,040 They change the quantum entangled particles in the their 413 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,920 spin. So going to DC, it's like, well, 414 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,920 if there's going to be a million people or more assembled on the 415 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,800 electromagnetic lay lines, that's that's a lot of energy to 416 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,960 be plugged into the lay lines. And God saw fit that I be in 417 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Washington, DC on December 12th and on January 6th, that the 418 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,600 incredible circumstances and coincidences that happened to 419 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,240 get me there were astronomically impossible. 420 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,040 So it seemed as though God wanted me there. 421 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,080 And I, you know, even after everything that I've been 422 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,600 through, I'm glad that I was there. 423 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,960 I was there to ensure peace. I was there to ensure high 424 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,400 vibes. I was there to ensure that 425 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,080 everything went as smooth as humanly possible. 426 00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:46,690 So I think a lot of people that are listening to you speak right 427 00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:50,690 now are disabusing themselves of the notion that you're a human 428 00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:53,450 meme or that you were a cartoon, which I said, you know, I think 429 00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:55,090 that is the presentation a lot of people had. 430 00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:58,450 It was like splash up this visual, this is not what we 431 00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:02,210 normally see and then make whatever snap assumption you 432 00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:04,610 have, that's that's essentially what the the media did to you 433 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:06,890 for quite a while. And so I I'm enjoying sort of 434 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:09,090 the, the piece of this. What I want is for those who are 435 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,330 watching in the live chat and we have hundreds of people that are 436 00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:13,610 watching currently right now, If they'll go down into the 437 00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:16,330 comments and leave comments of questions that they would like 438 00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:18,530 to also have answered, I think Ryan will bring those up. 439 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:19,970 So folks will just get you to do that. 440 00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:21,530 If you want to hit the like button as you're there, go ahead 441 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:24,690 and do that as well. You mentioned sort of a a 442 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:27,290 problem with apathy. This was your Gandhi quote. 443 00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:31,330 I think it sounds like people's fundamental disconnect from 444 00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:32,890 what's going on. It's like what I do doesn't 445 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:34,450 matter, so I'm not going to do it at all. 446 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,160 And that was your concern. In the military, we talk about 447 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,960 things in a task and a purpose, right. 448 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,680 There is a thing that you're doing the task and then the 449 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,000 purpose, which is the reason. What was the task and the 450 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720 purpose behind the first trip and the second trip to DC? 451 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,040 If you were to going to get it down to a very narrow action 452 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440 plan, like what were you expecting to accomplish and how? 453 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,980 Well, in the shamanic tradition, when there's large amounts of 454 00:24:02,980 --> 00:24:06,540 people at a sacred site, which DC can be considered a sacred 455 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:12,100 site, the shaman is. It is their role to basically 456 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:16,740 allow that process to unfold in a positive way. 457 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:22,920 Even just the shaman's presence in the area can end up changing 458 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,760 the timeline. It can change the vibration of 459 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,680 that location, because the shaman's perspective is one that 460 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,080 is largely based in the the objective view of reality. 461 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080 And just having that plugged into the collective 462 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,120 consciousness of that location can make a difference when it 463 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:47,880 comes to, like, my reasons and motivations. 464 00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:54,730 So I wrote a book in 2017 called One Mind at a Time, A Deep State 465 00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:58,370 of Illusion by Jacob Angeli. You can get it on Amazon. 466 00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:00,410 Shameless book plug. I'm really not trying to plug 467 00:25:00,410 --> 00:25:01,810 the book. I'm just letting you know why it 468 00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:05,050 is that I did what I did as far as going into DC. 469 00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:10,090 So I have a view of the deep state that most people don't. 470 00:25:10,660 --> 00:25:14,460 I have an understanding of the deep state that most people can 471 00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:18,140 barely even wrap their mind around and how it relates to all 472 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:22,740 of this different stuff and the history of how we got here, how 473 00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:26,540 we got to this place that we're at, where the FBI is targeting 474 00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:29,340 Catholic churches, you know what I'm saying? 475 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:36,880 So because of that perspective, I realized, okay, well, nobody's 476 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,520 doing what I think needs to be done. 477 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Nobody's saying what I think needs to be said. 478 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640 And if there's going to be a million people assembled in DC, 479 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,840 then I should be there and ensure that everything is high 480 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,960 vibe and everything is peaceful. And just by being there, I was 481 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,960 also plugging my consciousness, plugging my high frequency 482 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,560 electromagnetic field into the grid. 483 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,800 I also, you know, I did a, like, I guess you could say a 484 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,680 ceremonial walk from behind the Capitol building all the way to 485 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800 the Lincoln Memorial. I think it was on December 12th 486 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:16,160 where I was banging my drum and screaming freedom as loud as I 487 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,840 could. And it was echoing all 488 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,760 throughout the area as I was marching from the Capitol all 489 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,640 the way to the Lincoln Memorial. And that's a part of shamanism, 490 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,200 like I said, you know, changing the, the spin of quantum 491 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,080 particles, changing the very fabric of reality in that sense. 492 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,000 And what's really interesting is that, well, part of shamanism 493 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,120 is, is is calling rain or creating storms. 494 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:49,360 And so it was my intention to cleanse the ecosystem of DC, to 495 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:53,320 cleanse all of the negative energy, to cleanse all of the 496 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,520 evil that has been harboring there for quite some time. 497 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,760 And after December 12th, I left, you know, a day or two later and 498 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,000 I went back to Phoenix and lo and behold, the one of the 499 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,440 largest storms to have ever struck DC1 of the largest 500 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,960 snowstorms to ever struck DC and the East Coast. 501 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,520 I think it would even, like hit New York and New Jersey and a 502 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,750 bunch of other places it it hit and I was just like blown away 503 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:28,110 like, whoa, holy crap, you know, and I some people, I'm, I'm not 504 00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:31,710 suggesting that it was, you know, oh, I did that, you know. 505 00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:36,190 But in shamanic traditions, you when you cleanse an ecosystem, 506 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:40,430 the elements respond to that cleansing the water, the snow, 507 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:42,430 whatever come into the ecosystem. 508 00:27:42,550 --> 00:27:45,510 And they basically wash away all that energy and they allow it to 509 00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:46,350 start fresh. Fair. 510 00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:49,300 Enough. You had a you, you just 511 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:50,900 mentioned your book and we'll bring it up at the end here 512 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:52,740 because I'm happy to plug people's books. 513 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:55,180 I think people should read and know, you know who they're 514 00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:58,300 listening to. You you mentioned a an 515 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:01,380 understanding of the deep state. Where did that understanding 516 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,060 come from? If not working in government, 517 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,540 what allowed you to have an insight into how the deep state 518 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:11,060 works? Well, if you do enough research 519 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,980 and and when I mean research, what I'm saying is that. 520 00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:17,850 So I'm sure you're familiar with compartmentalization, right, 521 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:21,890 being that you're in the FBI. So compartmentalization, for 522 00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:25,610 those that don't know what it is, is it's almost like one 523 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:28,690 person is given a small little puzzle piece of a much larger 524 00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:32,850 picture and they're told to work on what that little puzzle piece 525 00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:37,550 is and the picture within. Now there are many people above 526 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:40,110 that person with that little puzzle piece that are in charge 527 00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:43,190 of putting larger and larger portions of those puzzle pieces 528 00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:44,510 together. And then there's usually 529 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:47,750 somebody up on the tippy top that has a whole view of the big 530 00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:49,830 puzzle, right, the whole picture. 531 00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:55,510 So compartmentalization is how our government functions, 532 00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:58,550 especially when you get into things like security clearances, 533 00:28:58,550 --> 00:29:01,550 nondisclosure agreements, top secret clearances, etcetera. 534 00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:05,870 So in the government, there are all these compartmentalized 535 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,590 factions of the government. Some are doing research and 536 00:29:08,590 --> 00:29:12,550 development on technology, some on biology, some on medicine, 537 00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:18,550 some on transportation, some on infrastructure, etcetera, 538 00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:21,190 etcetera, some on stopping terrorism. 539 00:29:22,030 --> 00:29:26,070 And so if you look at the testimony of people that are 540 00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:31,490 whistleblowers at these really high levels within certain 541 00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:36,570 compartmentalized portions of the deep state, then you begin 542 00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:41,010 to like bring all this stuff together that they've said, 543 00:29:41,010 --> 00:29:44,050 especially the ones that don't live very long after they blow 544 00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:48,330 the whistle. Then what you end up finding is 545 00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:51,770 a very clear view of this big picture because now you have all 546 00:29:51,770 --> 00:29:55,330 these compartmentalized portions of the deep state that have 547 00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:57,970 become visible. And if you line up their little 548 00:29:57,970 --> 00:30:01,090 respective puzzle pieces or their conglomeration of puzzle 549 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,290 pieces that they themselves have assembled, then you can really 550 00:30:04,290 --> 00:30:08,250 begin to get a big picture of what the deep state is, how it 551 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:11,210 operates, where we're headed, etcetera. 552 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:14,810 So that's kind of what the book, one mind at a time, a Deep State 553 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:18,170 of Illusion is about, is the testimony of a lot of 554 00:30:18,170 --> 00:30:21,890 whistleblowers as well as the news reports that have been 555 00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:25,610 suppressed by the Mockingbird media and how it is that all of 556 00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:29,290 these things line up to give us a very clear view. 557 00:30:29,290 --> 00:30:32,170 So the truth is out there, but the and this is the whole thing 558 00:30:32,170 --> 00:30:37,150 behind psychological warfare, is that the information, the truth 559 00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:39,790 is out there. So in order to obscure the 560 00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:44,670 truth, in order to obscure true information, disinformation is 561 00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:48,950 then plugged into the system. And then the mockingbird media 562 00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:51,430 will take whatever little true information they're willing to 563 00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:53,870 give the people and then combine it with disinformation. 564 00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:57,230 And then they can have a misinformation narrative that 565 00:30:57,230 --> 00:31:00,190 they will control and therefore control the minds of the 566 00:31:00,190 --> 00:31:04,750 populations you see. So the real trick of the shaman 567 00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:09,430 is to have an objective view of reality, to not look at it 568 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:12,110 through a cultural paradigm, to not look at it through a 569 00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:14,870 political paradigm, to not look at it through an economic 570 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:17,350 paradigm, but to look at it through all of them and not and 571 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:19,150 none of them. Right. 572 00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:21,550 And to see it objectively as it is. 573 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:26,510 And that's essentially what I have tried to do, and I think 574 00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:28,870 quite successfully if I might add. 575 00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:32,630 I I remember. A piece in in Castanedas. 576 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:34,030 I think it was an art of dreaming, but it could have 577 00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:35,390 been, it could have been. One of the other books I read 578 00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:38,190 where he talks about trying to see things in the way, not the 579 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:40,110 way that we normally see them with our eyes, but looking into 580 00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:43,230 the shadow and then perceiving the reality of the of the object 581 00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:45,350 that's casting the shadow, something to that effect. 582 00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:48,630 And so looking not where they're telling you to look not at the 583 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:50,870 thing that is the most obvious. Can you tell people you've used 584 00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:53,110 the term Mockingbird media a number of times? 585 00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:56,150 I've seen you cut off on some national media broadcast when 586 00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:57,990 you were discussing it. Can you lay that out for people? 587 00:31:57,990 --> 00:32:00,190 What that means? Absolutely. 588 00:32:00,190 --> 00:32:03,470 Operation Mockingbird is when the CIA infiltrated all the 589 00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:05,710 major media outlets here in the United States. 590 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:10,550 They did so during like the 60s and the 70s to curb and call the 591 00:32:10,670 --> 00:32:13,390 antiwar movement and the civil rights movement. 592 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:18,350 So by controlling the narrative in the media, the CIA was then 593 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,430 able to control the minds of the public. 594 00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:24,950 Because people's perception is reality for them. 595 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,950 Even if it's not objective reality, it's still the way that 596 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:34,230 people perceive it. So if Operation Mockingbird was 597 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:37,310 capable of hijacking the narrative in the country and and 598 00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:40,270 controlling what people talked about, then they can control 599 00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:42,590 people's minds. And what it is that the 600 00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:47,350 Mockingbird media's narrative was would then ultimately become 601 00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:50,550 people's reality, regardless of whether or not it was rooted in 602 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:55,190 actual reality. I mean, the term conspiracy 603 00:32:55,190 --> 00:33:00,840 theorist and conspiracy theory was created by the CIA and the 604 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,880 media Mockingbird media after JFK was assassinated and lots of 605 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,680 people were like this Lee Harvey Oswald guy that this doesn't 606 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,280 make sense. I'm watching the video, it looks 607 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,520 like he was shot by more than one bullet from more than one 608 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,680 angle. I don't buy this. 609 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,560 So they needed something to change people's minds to curb 610 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,000 their disbelief in government and the media. 611 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520 And so then they created this cognitive label and this where 612 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,000 we get into things like neurolinguistic programming. 613 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,240 And then they saturated all the media outlets with it. 614 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,840 This is called critical factor bypass. 615 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,920 And in the process, something of a phenomena called mass 616 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,480 formation, hypnosis began to occur where 25 to 30% of the 617 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000 people in the country believed the narrative that they were 618 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,670 being given. And it is the Mockingbird media 619 00:33:51,670 --> 00:33:55,110 that is one of the many smoke screens for the deep state and 620 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:58,230 their nefarious activity. What do you think? 621 00:33:58,230 --> 00:34:02,470 About the people that are engaged in promoting these media 622 00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:05,070 narratives, do you have any instinct about what kind of 623 00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:08,270 human beings they are and and where they fit into that machine 624 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:10,989 well? I'm sure a lot of them mean 625 00:34:10,989 --> 00:34:13,510 well. I'm sure a lot of them by the 626 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:16,870 propaganda themselves. A lot of the people that are on 627 00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:19,790 the Mockingbird media outlets are just talking heads. 628 00:34:19,989 --> 00:34:23,310 They're actors. They're reading a script for a 629 00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:28,949 camera right now. The real culprits, I guess you 630 00:34:28,949 --> 00:34:33,429 could say would be the the high level people, the people at the 631 00:34:33,429 --> 00:34:36,310 tippy top of these media corporate outlets. 632 00:34:36,989 --> 00:34:41,070 And I mean if you look into the Council on Foreign Relations and 633 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:44,350 stuff like that and how the media has been involved in that, 634 00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:49,389 how it is that media corporations get a seat at the 635 00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:51,070 Council on Foreign Relations table. 636 00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:55,150 And if you look at the lack of coverage of things like the 637 00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:57,630 Bilderberg group in the Mockingbird media and stuff like 638 00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:03,070 that, you'll really start to grasp who's in control and it 639 00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:08,940 certainly is not the voter. And I mean that's it's terrible. 640 00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:13,780 But a largely the American people are so uneducated as to 641 00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:18,900 what's actually going on. They're so disinformed that they 642 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,380 they don't even know what they're looking at when they're 643 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,860 looking at it. They don't even recognize 644 00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:25,740 psychological warfare techniques when they're being used on them. 645 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,060 If the voters. Not in control? 646 00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:32,420 Then What would be the purpose of gatherings on December 12th, 647 00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:34,540 January 6th and so on? What would be the upside of 648 00:35:34,540 --> 00:35:38,590 going to something like that? Well, it's a shift in collective 649 00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:41,790 consciousness. You see, as people start to 650 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:45,510 realize that our votes really don't matter as much as we 651 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,830 thought they did, as people start to realize that it is a 652 00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:54,710 selection process, not an election process, then that that 653 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:59,030 changes our thoughts, it changes this cultural paradigm, it 654 00:35:59,030 --> 00:36:04,330 changes our view of reality, and we start to wake up. 655 00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:09,370 We begin to awaken as to the current situation and how you 656 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:12,450 know, it's not that the world is getting worse, it's been this 657 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:14,810 bad. It's just that the truth of 658 00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:18,010 national and global corruption is becoming so much more obvious 659 00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:22,130 and that is essential for change to be made. 660 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:27,170 So you know, going to DC, whether it be on December 12th 661 00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:32,780 or on January 6th, what it was, was it was being there at a time 662 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:37,380 where the mass consciousness was shifting, where people were 663 00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:41,620 really starting to ask more questions than they were willing 664 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:46,260 to accept answers blindly. And that's very important. 665 00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:48,340 I want to pivot a. Little bit to those. 666 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:53,060 Days specifically on both days, were you in the religious attire 667 00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:55,580 that you have been shown all over the capital and and? 668 00:36:56,110 --> 00:36:58,110 Like I said, has been kind of memed in some ways. 669 00:36:58,110 --> 00:36:59,470 Was that the same attire on both days? 670 00:37:00,190 --> 00:37:02,430 Yeah, yeah. On December 12th and on January 671 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:04,590 6th, I've been dressing that way for over 10 years. 672 00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:05,710 Sure. So here's. 673 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:07,750 Here's my question. How was that received? 674 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:10,710 I would say that the majority of people who support Trump and the 675 00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:14,030 majority of conservatives in general are pretty down the 676 00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:16,070 middle Christian. That's probably the vast 677 00:37:16,070 --> 00:37:21,910 majority, 80% plus. How was your your mindset, your 678 00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:24,190 attitude and your message received by people around you? 679 00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:26,020 They. Loved it. 680 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:28,100 The people wanted to take pictures, man. 681 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:30,860 What kind of questions did you feel? 682 00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:33,700 From them when they were because you know, there are obviously 683 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,940 other people that were doing straight political costume, I 684 00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:38,900 would call it, and without any religious implications, it's, 685 00:37:39,140 --> 00:37:41,460 you know, the full MAGA gear, like they're going to a football 686 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:43,620 game. Yours obviously has a little bit 687 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:46,020 more behind it. So what kind of questions did 688 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:47,700 you face? What kind of answers were, were 689 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:52,520 given and how was that received? Well, you know, lots of people. 690 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680 The main question was, yo, can I get a picture? 691 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,920 So a lot of people I used to carry a sign with me that said Q 692 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,120 sent me and hold the line. Patriots, God wins. 693 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:12,120 And when people would ask who's Qi would tell them Q is the 694 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,360 highest levels of the military and the intelligence community 695 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,040 disseminating above top secret information of patriots in our 696 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,920 Republic so that we can take back our nation from communists 697 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,880 and globalists who have infiltrated our government at 698 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,640 some of the highest and lowest levels so as to bring the 699 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040 country down from within and create a new world order, One 700 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,200 world government where our Constitution is entirely 701 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,400 suspended and we are brought into a tyrannical deep state 702 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,200 oligarchy of sorts. That's not the first time you've 703 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,280 said those words it. Sounds like no, no, I said it a 704 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,900 lot. But The thing is, is that, and 705 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,820 this is a part of the shamanic tradition, in particular, the 706 00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:50,860 Hioka shaman is to dress in elaborate fashion, not just to 707 00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:56,980 chase off evil spirits, not just to chase off bad vibes and and 708 00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:02,220 that negative timelines, but but also to shock the cognitive 709 00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:05,580 system of the tribe. The Hioko will say hello when 710 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:07,860 somebody says goodbye. They'll say goodbye when 711 00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:10,900 somebody says hello. They'll walk backwards through 712 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,100 the camp of the tribe. They'll do all sorts of stuff 713 00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:17,420 that causes a shock to the cognitive system. 714 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:20,540 And then once that shock has been made, once the cultural 715 00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:24,300 paradigm has been shattered, then the shaman will come in and 716 00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,140 basically give people the the, you know, the hard news. 717 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:29,660 Guess what? What you think of as reality. 718 00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:32,980 It's not reality. It's just what you're perceiving 719 00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:35,180 it. People don't see reality as it 720 00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:37,380 is. They see reality as they are. 721 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,220 And that's kind of the message for eons that the shaman has 722 00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:43,340 brought to the people there was a. 723 00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:45,180 Longmire episode. I feel like that highlighted at 724 00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,060 least a little touch of that, something like the reverse 725 00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:48,500 warrior or the Backwards warrior. 726 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:49,980 Is that the concept we're talking about? 727 00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:52,010 Yes. Is it? 728 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:53,410 Is that the words am I? Using the right words, I'm 729 00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:54,570 trying to remember it. Yeah, yeah. 730 00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:56,930 You know, there's all sorts of different words for it. 731 00:39:56,930 --> 00:40:00,850 But yeah, the Hioka is like that, that backward warrior, the 732 00:40:00,850 --> 00:40:06,130 reverse warrior. So, I mean, I saw a great meme 733 00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:09,170 that showed a picture of Leonidas, you know, screaming. 734 00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:12,050 And then next to it was a picture of Buddha meditating. 735 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:13,730 And it said yes, you can be both. 736 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,880 And I do believe that that you have to have a warrior spirit, 737 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,000 especially in this time. But that doesn't mean that your 738 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,080 spirit has to be one of violence or anger. 739 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,360 What it means is, is that the the need to do something this 740 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,040 this deep, profound sense that we got to do something that can 741 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,710 be channeled properly and strategically to affect positive 742 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:46,110 change through peaceful means. It's supposed to motivate us to 743 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:51,030 make essential changes in our lives personally because as 744 00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:54,750 within, so without. So when you make a change within 745 00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:57,750 it is reflected everywhere around you because then you 746 00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:59,790 embody that change. That's why, Gandhi said. 747 00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:01,590 You know, you have to be the change you want to see in the 748 00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:03,830 world. Is there a place for? 749 00:41:03,830 --> 00:41:08,080 Violence in your tradition. Well, in like the shamanic 750 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,880 tradition and in your personal. Interpretation of it. 751 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,080 Is there a place for for violent action or violence against 752 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,880 others? Well, I'll say this much, you 753 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,320 know, and I'm not trying to bait you into something. 754 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,880 Let me let me caveat that unless there be any concern, because 755 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,480 everyone knows what my background is, I fully believe 756 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,240 there are times when violence is necessary. 757 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,600 And it has been necessary, either on behalf of the state or 758 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,880 defending your own family. I am 100% committed to violently 759 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,560 defending my family should someone present an opportunity 760 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,240 for violence against me. So I will go on record and say 761 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,120 that as as a way of saying I'm interested in what your take is 762 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,320 on that. But I'm not trying to lead you 763 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,000 into something specifically. Well, I appreciate that. 764 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:48,770 Lord knows the government's just waiting for me to step in and 765 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:50,650 they monitor my. Podcast, for what it's worth. 766 00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:52,330 The FBI Security division that's watching. 767 00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:55,370 So you know, oh, did they monitor my they monitor my 768 00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:57,770 Twitter too. So you know, God love and peace 769 00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:59,130 love you guys. Thank you for your service. 770 00:42:01,610 --> 00:42:09,090 I I'll say this. Any foreign adversary that this, 771 00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:15,250 I feel a great swell of pity that for any foreign adversary, 772 00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:18,460 for any person that comes to my home or comes to my country 773 00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:22,220 looking for trouble. It makes sense, I. 774 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:24,740 That was the that was the arguments that the the Japanese 775 00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:26,980 emperor made, right? That invasion of the American 776 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:29,540 homeland would be a Rifleman behind every blade of grass. 777 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:31,420 You. Live in Arizona? 778 00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:35,100 Big mistake. Arizona is a gun place. the 779 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,260 United States of America. I saw something said the United 780 00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:42,500 States of America owns 46% of the world's 1 billion guns. 781 00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:46,990 And it's like, yes, if there's only a billion guns. 782 00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:49,190 That we do it is, it is pretty wild. 783 00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:51,310 So I always ask people, it's like, well, I own the first 784 00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:52,630 million who owns the rest of these things. 785 00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:56,670 Right. You you showed up in describe 786 00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:58,870 the outfit that you have because I know that there was a there 787 00:42:58,870 --> 00:43:02,150 was a headgear there's obviously face paint there was some kind 788 00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:04,990 of a a was there a body wrap of some kind. 789 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:08,350 I'm I'm trying to get to the point of what was tattoos, man, 790 00:43:08,350 --> 00:43:09,390 Okay. So you've got tattoos? 791 00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:11,550 That's in my head, my. My head it was. 792 00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:14,970 It was animal skins. Hand anything in your hand. 793 00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:22,050 Staff Flag had a staff and a flag I the the coyote tales and 794 00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:25,330 the coyote stand. I'm kind of jealous about that. 795 00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:28,730 It looks really good. Oh thanks man. 796 00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:34,690 Yeah, it's awesome, man. I then the Danae or Navajo 797 00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:36,970 tradition. The Navajo call themselves 798 00:43:36,970 --> 00:43:40,290 Danae. In the Danae tradition, the 799 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:44,410 coyote is like the trickster or like the liar, the schemer. 800 00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:49,410 And so I'm wearing I I have the trickster by the tails. 801 00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:53,770 I'm wearing the trickster skin because if this trickster messes 802 00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:56,850 with the Buffalo, he gets the horns, you know what I mean? 803 00:43:57,570 --> 00:44:01,850 The face paint, obviously the American flag, the tattoos. 804 00:44:01,850 --> 00:44:05,570 I have over 100 hours worth of tattoos because tattoos in the 805 00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:08,850 shamanic tradition are used. The pain in the ordeal is used 806 00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:10,490 to push the mind out of the body. 807 00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:13,330 And all of my tattoos have symbolism. 808 00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:15,170 They are. It's kind of like in the 809 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:18,290 military, how military members wear ribbons on their chest. 810 00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:22,530 Well, in shamanic traditions, you have tattoos on your body 811 00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:26,450 that signify accomplishments that have been made or deals 812 00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:30,850 overcome, etcetera, etcetera. So all my tattoos are earned. 813 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,640 All of my tattoos are symbolic of something in one way or 814 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,080 another. So the whole thing is a a 815 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,360 religious statement. And the way that I was dressed 816 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,440 on January 6th and many of the other demonstrations that I've 817 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,000 gone to and many of the other things that I've done have been 818 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,520 they, they have been a part of that shamanic tradition. 819 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,920 They have deep rooted meaning. They have a profound history 820 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,740 behind them and so it's like it's akin to wearing priestly 821 00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:07,420 robes. Here's the question I have. 822 00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:10,940 About that day, the day of January 6th, you're physically 823 00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:12,300 there. You were treated in a certain 824 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,340 way. You did you? 825 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:15,740 I can't remember. Did you plead guilty? 826 00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:17,180 Was that the OR was it a conviction? 827 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:18,660 I feel like you pled guilty. Is that right? 828 00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:20,140 No. I I I pled out. 829 00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:22,920 Okay so. And and that's what 98% of 830 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,880 people do in the federal system. Anybody who doesn't know how the 831 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,600 federal system is designed, that is how it is designed at this 832 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,880 point. This is the nature of it. 833 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,440 Overwhelming charges and people plead out to get the most 834 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,000 favorable situation. You're going up against a very 835 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,480 big animal when that happens. As that happened, you were 836 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,480 immediately branded in this, like I say, sort of mimic way, 837 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,720 this cartoonish way by the media as the Q Anon Shaman, which has 838 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,540 a real catchy ring to it. And it sounds like it comes from 839 00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:52,500 the sign that you were carrying that Q sent you. 840 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,460 Is that your interpretation of that? 841 00:45:56,020 --> 00:46:01,220 Yeah, well, I mean, actually the term Q Anon Shaman or Q Shaman 842 00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:04,180 came from Alex Jones. It's like the only time that 843 00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:09,020 Alex Jones ever said anything in the media ran with He called me 844 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:13,020 Q Shaman. I think it was on January 8th 845 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:14,660 when I did an interview with him. 846 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:18,100 And then the media started calling me the Q Anon Shaman, 847 00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:22,340 and then they started having the audacity to say that that's what 848 00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:25,420 I called myself. I mean, just goes to show you 849 00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:27,700 can't believe anything that they say. 850 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,380 So yeah, that's where that came from. 851 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,540 Q Anon is a fiction. It's something made-up by the 852 00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:37,500 media. It's not. 853 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:41,500 There's Q and then there's the Anons that follow Q. 854 00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:45,220 There is no Q. And on and what the media does, 855 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:49,100 what the Mockingbird media is classic for, is creating a 856 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,860 misinformation narrative that they control. 857 00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:58,500 And with the Q and on label, what they decided to do was to 858 00:46:58,660 --> 00:47:02,900 run a bunch of hit pieces on Q and on and then push it in the 859 00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,700 media. And then if and when anybody got 860 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:09,380 curious about Q and on they would go and they'd find, oh 861 00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:11,950 there's this and there's this and there's this, and it's all 862 00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:15,670 stuff that the media has said. But if the media think about it 863 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:19,590 like this, if the media were to just say who is Q, what is Q, 864 00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:24,510 who is QQQQ, then people look up Q, then they'd look up the Q 865 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:27,630 drops and then the media would really be screwed. 866 00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:33,070 So they created a fiction Q Anon. 867 00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:37,110 And then below that label, they placed labels like white 868 00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:42,200 supremacy, violence, terrorism, hatred, you know, radicalism, 869 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,720 all this other stuff, conspiracy theory. 870 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,000 And so then by labeling me the Q in on Shaman, they essentially 871 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,120 tagged all of those things on to me. 872 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,440 Now, just to let you know how this has affected me, I was 873 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,520 doing my best when I got out. I had a website. 874 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,840 I still have a website, but on that website was merchandise 875 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,870 that people could purchase. Well, because you know, cool, 876 00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:08,190 why not? You know, it's it's. 877 00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:11,510 I've been told by many that I become a symbol for freedom, not 878 00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:13,390 just here in the United States, but all over the world. 879 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:19,910 And so the Printful. I went to Printful, the drop 880 00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:23,750 shipping company for this merchandise, and it didn't take 881 00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:29,870 but a month or two before they refused to put my face on any 882 00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:34,030 merchandise because they said it was associated with Q Anon. 883 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:38,430 And that Q Anon was associated with white supremacy, with 884 00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:44,470 violence, and with hatred. And so now I am not able to sell 885 00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:46,430 my merch on Printful. I need to find another drop 886 00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:49,590 shipping company to do my merch. Yeah, maybe Bigley. 887 00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:52,350 Would be a good option. They seem BIGLY. 888 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,080 Oh okay, cool. Thanks for telling me. 889 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,080 I checked them out. They've approached us as well 890 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,760 and been at least favorable to the idea. 891 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,520 We're doing something a little bit different, but it's an 892 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,840 option and interesting. And they have some big 893 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,360 facilities. Matt Couch, I can get you 894 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,120 connected later. So cool. 895 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,760 I'm really curious about your interaction with our justice 896 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,840 system. Had you interacted with either 897 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,280 the federal or the local justice system before the January 6th 898 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,000 events? No, thank God. 899 00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:21,100 I've always been a law abiding citizen. 900 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:25,380 I've always tried to do my best to to help, not hurt. 901 00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:28,300 And that's what I was trying to do on January 6th was help not 902 00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:29,540 hurt. That's why the cops were 903 00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:32,780 escorting me around the building because I offered to help them. 904 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:35,900 But Lord knows that can't be a part of the media or the 905 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,060 government's narrative because then that would just show the 906 00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:42,780 flaws in their House of Cards. Can you talk about what that I? 907 00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:44,620 Don't know if you're restricted from any of this, but can you 908 00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:46,700 talk about the conversation that was happening between you and 909 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:48,500 those those cops that were walking around in the building? 910 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,840 We've seen the footage, I think, right? 911 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,560 What was going on without the with the actual soundtrack? 912 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,120 Well, what happened was that I went into the Senate in the 913 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,000 upper terrace of the chamber to sing my shamanic song. 914 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,160 And when I saw that there were people down in the Senate 915 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,680 chamber itself shortly thereafter, that's when I went 916 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,080 up to the cops. I was like, hey, there's people 917 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,120 in the Senate. There's people in the Senate 918 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,840 chamber. If you want, I can go down there 919 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,080 like with you and like make sure that there's no violence or, you 920 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,120 know, theft or vandalism or anything. 921 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,080 What was that interaction like as far as a human interaction? 922 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,680 And if you want, I can even help you clear the chamber, you know, 923 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,680 And they're like, yeah, grab your, take your bullhorn. 924 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,080 Let's go down there. And then so that's why we were 925 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,280 walking from one building other to, I mean, one door to another 926 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,440 within the building and those doors were locked. 927 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,480 And then, you know, we found the one that was open. 928 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:45,680 Did they introduce? It was very human. 929 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,440 No, they didn't per se introduce themselves. 930 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,000 And like, they shook their hand. Nice to meet you. 931 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,720 You know, nothing like that. It was just like because dude, 932 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,520 it was, it was chaos on that day. 933 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,480 There was, there was so much going on. 934 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,080 And yeah, I'll say this, there was a little, there was 935 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,200 infinitely more violence on the outside than there was on the 936 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,640 inside. And this is where we get into 937 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,920 this mockingbird media narrative that is designed to divide the 938 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,910 country, you see, because the CNN, MSNBC types are saying it 939 00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:16,110 was a violent and deadly insurrection. 940 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:19,670 And then they only show images of what was going on outside. 941 00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:23,430 And then the Fox News Newsmax types say, oh, it was a mostly 942 00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:25,790 peaceful protest. And then they show all the stuff 943 00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:28,230 that was going on inside. They show what, you know, the 944 00:51:28,310 --> 00:51:32,070 cops, you know, escorting me around the building when the 945 00:51:32,070 --> 00:51:35,310 truth is it's a Gray issue. Yeah, there was violence on that 946 00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:36,670 day. Yeah, there was vandalism. 947 00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:38,630 Yeah. People, people assaulted police 948 00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:41,350 officers. That was all mostly happening on 949 00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:44,470 the outside. And as terrible as it is, the 950 00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:47,390 four people that died on that day, guess what? 951 00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:51,270 They were protesters, not police officers. 952 00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:56,750 Now, I believe that anybody that does that vandalizes property or 953 00:51:56,750 --> 00:52:01,910 anybody that harms a police officer, they should be 954 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:05,440 prosecuted. But trespassing charges? 955 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:14,080 I mean, taking FBI agents off of terrorism cases, off of cartel 956 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,880 cases, off of murder cases, off child rape cases, and then 957 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,440 placing them on misdemeanor cases for January 6th. 958 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,720 You. Got to be kidding me. 959 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,760 If that isn't evidence of government interference or or 960 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,330 government politicalization, politicization. 961 00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:37,250 I I mean, I don't know what is. That's that's the Justice 962 00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:39,450 Department's politicization, pure and simple. 963 00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:41,570 Yeah. We agree on that pretty. 964 00:52:42,490 --> 00:52:44,330 It's it's a pretty strange moment. 965 00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:46,530 I don't know if you've heard me ever say this, but when I was at 966 00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:49,010 Quantico, they actually taught us that misdemeanors were 967 00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:52,330 beneath the FB I's time. It just wasn't worth our time. 968 00:52:52,850 --> 00:52:54,690 Because why? Why would you waste your time 969 00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:55,890 like we? Don't even mess around with weak 970 00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:57,530 felonies. You go for the big stuff. 971 00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:59,930 That's what the Bureau is designed to do, one would think. 972 00:53:00,980 --> 00:53:02,580 Yes. Well, I mean, and and 973 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:06,100 considering the fact that, like our government resources, our 974 00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:08,940 federal resources ought to be devoted to just that, protecting 975 00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:10,740 the homeland. And this is the thing. 976 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,540 And this isn't really per se a popular opinion in the 977 00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:17,460 conservative community, but there's lots of good people in 978 00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:19,820 the FBI, man, and I know you know that. 979 00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:23,340 There's lots of good people. There's lots of good people in 980 00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:26,740 CIA. You know, what has happened is 981 00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:30,540 that the tops of these pyramids have been corrupted. 982 00:53:30,940 --> 00:53:35,100 And then from the top down, the people in the lower ranks are 983 00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,020 controlled. What gets investigated? 984 00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:41,340 Who's on what investigation, who gets charged, you know, who, 985 00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:46,980 what country is going to get overthrown, you know, the CIA 986 00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:48,900 and their covert operations and stuff. 987 00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:54,660 It's it's the leadership. That's why I said we're we're 988 00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:56,820 lost because we follow blind leaders. 989 00:53:57,060 --> 00:54:01,330 And while a lot of people think, oh, we need to, you don't ban 990 00:54:01,330 --> 00:54:04,210 the FBI or we need to dismantle the FBI, we need to get rid of 991 00:54:04,210 --> 00:54:05,570 it. No, dude, no. 992 00:54:05,730 --> 00:54:09,050 What needs to happen is we need to have real and good leadership 993 00:54:09,050 --> 00:54:14,330 in the FBI that is going to protect the homeland, you know, 994 00:54:15,050 --> 00:54:20,330 not go after citizens within it. At what point? 995 00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:23,930 Does an agency that has betrayed the fundamental purpose of it, 996 00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:26,530 which is, like you said, defend the homeland, go after the the, 997 00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:29,330 the serious threats? At what point does that agency 998 00:54:29,330 --> 00:54:32,130 lose its legitimacy and have to be disbanded then? 999 00:54:34,090 --> 00:54:41,450 Well, the way I look at it is, it's like a tool, whether it be 1000 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:45,410 a power tool or a firearm. In the case of law enforcement, 1001 00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:49,090 it's probably best to use the metaphor of a firearm that. 1002 00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:53,370 It's not a matter of the firearm itself. 1003 00:54:53,530 --> 00:54:55,210 It's a matter of who's wielding it. 1004 00:54:55,870 --> 00:54:58,870 You know, a firearm can be used to protect freedoms and 1005 00:54:58,870 --> 00:55:02,750 liberties and protect citizens. It can also be used to take 1006 00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:06,350 freedoms and liberties and hold citizens or hold people hostage. 1007 00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:10,230 It's all a matter of who has the firearm. 1008 00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:18,990 What is their intention now? You know Co Intel pro who J 1009 00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:22,810 Edgar Hoover. This kind of is indicative of 1010 00:55:22,810 --> 00:55:28,090 the idea that the FBI has not been the greatest force in 1011 00:55:28,090 --> 00:55:32,050 American history for a while. I mean, I don't know how you 1012 00:55:32,050 --> 00:55:35,050 feel about the notion of the FBI having Martin Luther King Junior 1013 00:55:35,050 --> 00:55:36,930 killed, but I wouldn't be surprised at all. 1014 00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:38,930 Well, they certainly encouraged the suicide. 1015 00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:42,770 Yeah, yeah. I mean, how many and how many 1016 00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:48,820 other suicides have happened that the FBI hasn't investigated 1017 00:55:48,820 --> 00:55:51,740 because they have certain political implications and they 1018 00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:53,500 get people out of the way of the deep state. 1019 00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,340 I mean, look what happened to Gary Webb, for God's sake. 1020 00:55:57,820 --> 00:56:05,780 So in my opinion, it's not the agency itself, it's the people 1021 00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:07,980 in it. And there's good people in a 1022 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:12,980 very bad system and restructuring. 1023 00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:18,850 Absolutely, absolutely. But entire defunding and 1024 00:56:18,850 --> 00:56:22,050 dismantling, is that really necessary? 1025 00:56:23,530 --> 00:56:26,850 I don't think so. I mean, I just to me it, I just 1026 00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:32,250 think to myself, like imagine if somebody like yourself was at a 1027 00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:34,090 really high level within the FBI. 1028 00:56:35,330 --> 00:56:40,850 Then you could do a lot of good. You know what I mean? 1029 00:56:40,850 --> 00:56:44,130 So well, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here. 1030 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:47,050 Let's not because of people like Comey and Ray. 1031 00:56:47,050 --> 00:56:48,930 Let's not you. Don't be like all the whole 1032 00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:50,890 thing is screwed. Well, no. 1033 00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:54,930 Then then we're we're we're losing sight of the real problem 1034 00:56:55,810 --> 00:56:59,450 and and the only way that you can solve the problem is if you 1035 00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:02,010 understand what the problem is. If you can't explain it simply, 1036 00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:05,330 you don't understand it fully. So we have to be able to explain 1037 00:57:05,330 --> 00:57:08,970 simply what the problem is. And what the problem is, is that 1038 00:57:08,970 --> 00:57:11,730 the tippy tops of these pyramids, these bureaucratic 1039 00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:15,950 agencies are all corrupted. They all have an Anthony Fauci, 1040 00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:20,830 They all have a Christopher Ray. They all have a corrupt 1041 00:57:20,830 --> 00:57:25,590 individual at the tippy top. Sorry, Ray, that's what I think. 1042 00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:32,630 And it is these individuals that have to lose their jobs, and in 1043 00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:35,030 the case of Anthony Fauci, certainly spend a little bit of 1044 00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:36,710 time in prison. Because if it's one thing that I 1045 00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:41,250 learned about prison, it's that some of these bureaucrats in DC 1046 00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:43,250 and some of these corrupt politicians could certainly use 1047 00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:46,610 a dose of it. I'm going to claw at this. 1048 00:57:46,690 --> 00:57:50,730 This answer that you just gave a little bit, so the agents that 1049 00:57:50,730 --> 00:57:54,130 came and arrested you what? Was your experience going? 1050 00:57:54,130 --> 00:57:57,610 In being taken into custody, being transported, all the Can 1051 00:57:57,610 --> 00:57:59,610 you kind of give me a rundown of what it felt like first of 1052 00:57:59,610 --> 00:58:01,850 Alltel people, the specifics, and then your impression of the 1053 00:58:01,850 --> 00:58:06,570 people that were handling you? Well, nobody came to arrest me. 1054 00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:09,500 When I found out the FBI was looking for me, I called them. 1055 00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:12,740 When they wanted information, I called them. 1056 00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:14,660 I was like, hey, I heard you guys were looking for 1057 00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:16,540 information on me. Might as well get it from 1058 00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:18,940 straight from the horse's mouth, you know? 1059 00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:21,260 And you went to either a field. Office or a resident agency? 1060 00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:22,500 Yeah, yeah. And then what? 1061 00:58:22,820 --> 00:58:24,900 Yeah. And then on the 9th of January, 1062 00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:27,820 we had scheduled a meeting where I went into the FBI field 1063 00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:30,340 office. They told me they weren't going 1064 00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:32,780 to arrest me, and I told them I would show up even if they told 1065 00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:34,900 me that they were going to. But it was just misdemeanor 1066 00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:37,850 charges at the time. And so they're like, no, it's 1067 00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:39,170 just, you know, it's just misdemeanors. 1068 00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:41,010 We just want to talk to you. And I thought, like, what you 1069 00:58:41,010 --> 00:58:44,130 were saying FBI doesn't waste their time with misdemeanors. 1070 00:58:44,130 --> 00:58:45,570 Like, you know, they're probably, you know, if he says 1071 00:58:45,570 --> 00:58:47,330 you're not going to arrest me, it's just misdemeanors, I'll 1072 00:58:47,330 --> 00:58:49,730 probably be all right. And I told the guy at the time, 1073 00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:51,810 I said, look, are you going to arrest me? 1074 00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:54,170 Just tell me If you're going to arrest me, just tell me. 1075 00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:56,570 I'm still going to show up. I just want to know so I can say 1076 00:58:56,570 --> 00:58:58,930 goodbye. My dog and my mom, you know what 1077 00:58:58,930 --> 00:59:02,490 I mean? Like, so he's like, no, I see no 1078 00:59:02,490 --> 00:59:04,290 reason to arrest you. We just want to talk to you. 1079 00:59:05,050 --> 00:59:08,030 And then so I show up. They, you know, had me empty my 1080 00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:09,750 pockets. They pat me down. 1081 00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:12,670 They wander me down. And then I go into the 1082 00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:15,310 integration room and the first thing they do is read me my 1083 00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:20,190 Miranda rights. I was like, you use SOB's. 1084 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:23,790 You said you were going to arrest me and you were showing. 1085 00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:25,070 Good face saying you'd show up anyway. 1086 00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:28,870 Yeah, because that's that's what real men do. 1087 00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:33,790 You just said that it's the people that are at the top that 1088 00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:29,990 are the problem. I agree with you, but here's my. 1089 00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:38,330 Did anybody at the top of the FBI lie to you and read you your 1090 00:59:38,330 --> 00:59:42,690 rights the second you showed up? They are, no. 1091 00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:45,610 But this is what I'm saying about how the people that are in 1092 00:59:45,610 --> 00:59:50,450 the lower levels are doing the bidding of the people up top 1093 00:59:50,530 --> 00:59:53,930 because they don't want to lose their jobs, they don't want to 1094 00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:56,210 lose their pension. You think that's a good excuse? 1095 00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:58,650 Following so this, So no. So this comes back to what we 1096 00:59:58,650 --> 01:00:00,410 were saying before about the military. 1097 01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:05,590 They're just following orders. This is called the. 1098 01:00:05,590 --> 01:00:08,150 Superior orders, defense. That goes back to the Nuremberg 1099 01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:09,230 trials. You're probably Nuremberg. 1100 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:12,430 Did that work out well for the? 10 Nazis that ended up hanging, 1101 01:00:13,950 --> 01:00:15,630 dude. No, of course not. 1102 01:00:15,630 --> 01:00:19,070 But The thing is, The thing is, if you really look into what 1103 01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:21,870 happened, most people show. Trial of. 1104 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:24,590 Course, yeah. Nuremberg was a show trial that 1105 01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:28,070 we brought over the worst of the worst in operation Paper Clip. 1106 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,200 We brought over the worst of the worst and wiped their war crimes 1107 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,200 clean. We gave them new identities and 1108 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,560 then put them at some of the highest levels of power in the 1109 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,080 bureaucracy. Give me a break, you know. 1110 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,680 And then we wonder why our nation is so screwed up after 1111 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,600 World War 2. It's just it's flabbergasting to 1112 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,040 me. And This is why it's so 1113 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,720 important that we know our history. 1114 01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:52,270 This is, this is one of the things I cover in my book, 1115 01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:56,030 because it's like, if we don't know our our history and we're 1116 01:00:56,030 --> 01:00:59,230 not just talking decades ago, we're talking centuries, 1117 01:00:59,230 --> 01:01:02,390 millennia ago. And yes, things like abortion 1118 01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:05,310 and the killing of babies out of the womb, Guess what? 1119 01:01:05,310 --> 01:01:10,430 That goes back millennia to sacrificing children to Ball and 1120 01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:16,310 to Malik, to demonic entities being worshipped by really, 1121 01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:18,190 really dumb people, if you ask me. 1122 01:01:18,790 --> 01:01:22,600 But if we don't understand. Our past. 1123 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,680 If we don't understand our history, then we can't 1124 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,200 understand our present, and we certainly can't understand our 1125 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,160 future. Yeah, well, my. 1126 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,960 My concern is, is by giving somebody a pass, I guess the 1127 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,960 question is this, do you think that there was a specific order 1128 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,800 that was given to somebody and that it was acceptable to follow 1129 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,800 it, That when you bring in, when you bring in Jacob, you're going 1130 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,600 to tell him that you're not going to arrest him? 1131 01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:48,370 But then when he gets here, you're going to rest him. 1132 01:01:48,370 --> 01:01:50,650 Do you think that was a decision made at the case agent level or 1133 01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:53,370 you think it was above them? Oh. 1134 01:01:53,970 --> 01:01:56,810 Probably a little bit of both. The guy that I talked to, the 1135 01:01:56,890 --> 01:02:01,490 the special agent that I talked to was a Marine, you know, and. 1136 01:02:01,610 --> 01:02:04,290 He'd been working at the FBI after his career in the 1137 01:02:04,290 --> 01:02:11,050 military. And so, you know, I think what 1138 01:02:11,050 --> 01:02:13,530 happened with me went all the way to the top. 1139 01:02:14,050 --> 01:02:17,600 That's what I think. And yet someone. 1140 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,640 Felt OK lying to you? And that's my concern. 1141 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,080 That's what they. Do, man. 1142 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,880 Well, it's not what they all. Do. 1143 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,720 And here's why. And I'll tell you this from a 1144 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,160 personal experience, and This is why I have such a problem with 1145 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,840 the idea that it's just the people at the top. 1146 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,000 Because the people at the bottom of the ones that followed the 1147 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,760 orders, they're the ones that kicked down the door at Mera 1148 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,080 Lago. They're the ones that arrested 1149 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,800 Mark How, who was a pro-life activist. 1150 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,040 They're the guys who lied to you when it wasn't necessary. 1151 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,640 I would talk to you for 10 minutes. 1152 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,120 We've already spoken for about an hour here. 1153 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,520 I'm sure they spoke to you for a while on the phone and you had 1154 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,030 some interactions. And I've spoken to guys like 1155 01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:48,430 you. And when someone tells me I'm 1156 01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:50,710 willing to turn myself in, I take them at their word. 1157 01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:51,990 I tell them they're going to be arrested. 1158 01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:54,350 I tell them what to expect. And you get your house in order. 1159 01:02:54,510 --> 01:02:56,710 And sometimes they run and we find them later. 1160 01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:58,590 And I've done that. I've actually had a guy that ran 1161 01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:01,230 away from me. He disappeared for four days. 1162 01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:03,310 He called me. I said, are you going to give 1163 01:03:03,310 --> 01:03:04,230 yourself up? He said no. 1164 01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:06,390 I hung up on the phone like it, like a like a high school 1165 01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:07,870 girlfriend. And then he called me again and 1166 01:03:07,870 --> 01:03:09,310 he said, hey, what's going on? I said, you going to turn 1167 01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:10,470 yourself in? He goes, no, I hung up on him 1168 01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:12,230 and he called me every day for about four days. 1169 01:03:12,350 --> 01:03:14,070 And on the Wednesday morning, he calls me up and says. 1170 01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:15,910 I'm ready to turn myself in. I'm not trying to run. 1171 01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:17,150 I said, great, where do you want to meet up? 1172 01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:19,190 I said, what's going to happen next is I'm going to drive up. 1173 01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:21,030 You're going to recognize me. I have a beard and a cowboy hat 1174 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:22,550 on. My partner's going to be with 1175 01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:23,710 me. The two of us are going to walk 1176 01:03:23,710 --> 01:03:24,670 up. As long as you keep your hands 1177 01:03:24,670 --> 01:03:26,030 where we can see him, everyone's going to be cool. 1178 01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:30,070 We'll put cuffs on you and then we'll we'll transport you to the 1179 01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:32,150 process. So you know what's coming. 1180 01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:33,550 There's No Fear. I've. 1181 01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:35,070 I've removed that. I've told you what is happening 1182 01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:36,590 next. And he said, I agree. 1183 01:03:36,790 --> 01:03:38,270 And we had a very peaceful interaction. 1184 01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:40,230 This was a guy who was wanted for a violent felony. 1185 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:44,140 Because that's totally doable. He'd beaten up old women. 1186 01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:46,060 He was expected to possess a gun. 1187 01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:48,260 This is a guy who was on an Indian Reservation who had 1188 01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:49,580 gotten himself into some serious trouble. 1189 01:03:49,740 --> 01:03:52,180 This was the interaction we had. Because I was honest with him 1190 01:03:52,340 --> 01:03:53,740 and I had that authority as an agent. 1191 01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:57,140 I promise you, the agents who talked to you had the authority 1192 01:03:57,140 --> 01:03:58,660 to tell. You know, they made a decision 1193 01:03:58,660 --> 01:04:02,020 to lie to you. And knowing that, and I and I 1194 01:04:02,020 --> 01:04:04,620 assure you they had the decision, they didn't have to to 1195 01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:07,700 lie to you, but they chose to. Does that change your feeling 1196 01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:14,160 about the way people are working all the way down the ranks and 1197 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,840 you can internalize this for a? Minute I don't. 1198 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,520 I don't need a yes and no. I just look, I worked with cops 1199 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,520 when I was working with kids in Group homes. 1200 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,320 You know, I worked with people that were in C, PS:, or DCS. 1201 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,640 And I know that CPS&DCS is corrupt as hell. 1202 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,760 But I also know that there are good people in CPS&DCS that are 1203 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,950 working. To help save children from 1204 01:04:40,950 --> 01:05:02,390 abusive parents. The work of his name is Philip 1205 01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:43,870 Zagami. But I also know that there are 1206 01:04:43,870 --> 01:04:47,150 people in CPS&DCS that are literally working to take 1207 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:49,710 children away from parents so they can place them in child 1208 01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:53,470 trafficking networks. Does that mean so? 1209 01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:58,190 Are you familiar with the term with the the Stanford Prison 1210 01:04:58,190 --> 01:05:00,470 Experiment? OK. 1211 01:05:03,070 --> 01:05:05,230 Oh no, Philip Zimbardo. That's what it is. 1212 01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:07,310 Philip Zimbardo. He's the guy that did the 1213 01:05:07,310 --> 01:05:10,490 Stanford prison experiment, and you can. 1214 01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:11,890 Break it down for people that don't know. 1215 01:05:11,890 --> 01:05:15,770 Not everybody has the same psychological background of some 1216 01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:18,410 of the famous experiments out there, Okay. 1217 01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:21,890 Well, I mean, the reason I bring him up is because he did a 1218 01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:24,370 lecture called The Lucifer Effect and the Psychology of 1219 01:05:24,370 --> 01:05:28,930 Evil, and he was in particular talking about what happened in 1220 01:05:30,850 --> 01:05:35,010 that prison in Iraq for detainees. 1221 01:05:35,610 --> 01:05:38,010 What is it called? The Abu Ghraib situation? 1222 01:05:38,330 --> 01:05:42,170 Yeah, the Abu Ghraib. And what he came to find was 1223 01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:49,730 that basically the situation happened the way that it did 1224 01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:54,130 because there was a guy. That was a military veteran, 1225 01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:58,810 that, I mean a military member that was in for like 12 years, 1226 01:05:58,810 --> 01:06:00,850 impeccable record. That's why he was placed in 1227 01:06:00,850 --> 01:06:05,370 charge of the night shift at the at the prison and this guy. 1228 01:06:06,090 --> 01:06:09,130 Basically was one of the ones that was facilitating the abuse 1229 01:06:09,130 --> 01:06:13,570 of the prisoners and day in, day out, 12 hour shifts. 1230 01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:15,810 I mean, he was living in the same prison he was sleeping in 1231 01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:18,730 the same in in a similar bed, just in a different wing of the 1232 01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:21,530 prison. He was getting bored. 1233 01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:24,450 Other people were getting bored. They've been, you know, dealing 1234 01:06:24,450 --> 01:06:29,370 with these people that had killed, their own killed, killed 1235 01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:33,290 friends and service members of these, you know, military 1236 01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:35,450 members. And eventually got to a point to 1237 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:36,850 where they were bored and they're like, you know what, 1238 01:06:36,850 --> 01:06:39,170 let's let's mess with these guys a little bit. 1239 01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:41,370 And then it started out with something really simple. 1240 01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:44,610 And then, you know, you know, we hear pose like this, you know, 1241 01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:47,570 oh, here you're, we're going to make you wear a funny hat or 1242 01:06:47,570 --> 01:06:49,730 something, you know. And then they started taking 1243 01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:51,810 pictures. And then as time went on, it got 1244 01:06:51,810 --> 01:06:53,810 worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. 1245 01:06:54,130 --> 01:06:59,130 And what Philip Zimbardo was saying was that evil has to do 1246 01:06:59,130 --> 01:07:00,290 with. A couple of things. 1247 01:07:00,690 --> 01:07:08,990 First, dehumanization. 2nd is a environment in which 1248 01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:14,390 dehumanization can occur. And 3rd is a certain level of 1249 01:07:14,430 --> 01:07:17,990 anonymity. So a person can dehumanize 1250 01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:19,630 another person. They have an environment where 1251 01:07:19,630 --> 01:07:24,910 that dehumanization can occur. And lastly, they believe that 1252 01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:28,870 what it is that they're doing is not ever going to come to light. 1253 01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:33,230 OK, so if we look at modern corruption in America. 1254 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,520 That's exactly what we're dealing with if we were dealing 1255 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,040 with point point that lens at the. 1256 01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,440 At the FBI agents that dealt with you, have their names been 1257 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,640 made very public if they had to stand and and say that they did 1258 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:48,520 the right thing? No, I'm a really forgiving 1259 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:57,000 person and you know, my my belief is is that Karma's bitch. 1260 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,000 Forgive the language. And. 1261 01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:03,780 Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. 1262 01:08:04,060 --> 01:08:11,180 I don't seek vengeance, and anybody that seeks to undermine 1263 01:08:11,180 --> 01:08:14,940 God's plan or undermine God's children does not fare very 1264 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:17,500 well. God bless. 1265 01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:21,020 These people for they know not what they do. 1266 01:08:21,529 --> 01:08:25,210 If Christ can forgive the people nailing him to the cross, then I 1267 01:08:25,210 --> 01:08:27,450 can forgive these people. I can forgive my captors. 1268 01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:29,210 I can forgive the FBI for lying to me. 1269 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:32,170 God will deal with them more harshly than I ever could, 1270 01:08:32,170 --> 01:08:37,010 that's for sure. And so I would call them to 1271 01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:39,050 repentance. I would call them to have the 1272 01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:41,450 courage to do what it is that you have done. 1273 01:08:42,290 --> 01:08:45,170 Be a whistleblower. Grow a pair of balls. 1274 01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:47,810 You know what I mean? Stand up. 1275 01:08:48,330 --> 01:08:51,090 You, you say you're here as an American citizen, you fought for 1276 01:08:51,090 --> 01:08:53,729 our country in the in the military and yet you're going to 1277 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:56,890 go and sell us out because you're working for the feds. 1278 01:08:57,290 --> 01:08:59,689 Come on now. You know what I mean. 1279 01:08:59,689 --> 01:09:02,290 No, no, no, no, no. That's where you can do the most 1280 01:09:02,529 --> 01:09:06,290 good is if you see some stuff going on this nefarious in the 1281 01:09:06,290 --> 01:09:09,490 government, then you should have the courage to stand up. 1282 01:09:09,770 --> 01:09:12,569 But, and this is a good example, like with what happened to you 1283 01:09:12,569 --> 01:09:15,410 and what happened to Agent friend is that? 1284 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,520 They make examples out of whistleblowers, real 1285 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,680 whistleblowers. They make examples out of you 1286 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,359 And then all of these other people that are looking on the 1287 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:26,200 side and they want to do something, they're looking and 1288 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,680 they're like, let's see what's going to happen. 1289 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,439 They do that to you guys so that those people inside the agency 1290 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,840 will be like, well, I want my pension. 1291 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,520 I want to be able to to have dinner on the plate for my 1292 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,720 family. So I'm just going to keep my 1293 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,720 head down. I'm going to get these next five 1294 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,600 years in and then I'm going to retire. 1295 01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:47,850 You know, and and that right there, to me it's cowardice 1296 01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:51,490 because it's like, look, dude, are you thinking about how it is 1297 01:09:51,490 --> 01:09:54,170 that this is going to affect 7 generations from now? 1298 01:09:54,370 --> 01:09:59,450 How will your apathy, how will your cowardice affect 7 1299 01:09:59,450 --> 01:10:02,610 generations from now? Imagine if the evil that you're 1300 01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:05,730 seeing in this agency is existing now and has existed for 1301 01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:08,570 decades. How much worse it's going to be 1302 01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:12,000 7 generations away. If and now, imagine the 1303 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,440 difference that you can make now. 1304 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:15,360 It's like the whole thing and Back to the Future. 1305 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,960 We're like, they go back, they change one little thing, and 1306 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,200 then it changes the whole timeline in the future, right? 1307 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,400 Well, guess what? This right now is the past for 1308 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,640 future timelines. So if you do something now, you 1309 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,960 can change everything for the future. 1310 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,800 And yeah, you may have to go through some shit. 1311 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,520 I'm sorry for the language. Yeah, you may have to go through 1312 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,340 some stuff, but you will be better for. 1313 01:10:40,340 --> 01:10:46,020 It, and so will the world be so find your balls. 1314 01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:49,620 Make sure they're still there and do something about it. 1315 01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:51,100 I feel like you just made my argument. 1316 01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,860 For getting rid of the agency they they claim that their job 1317 01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:55,500 is fidelity, bravery, and integrity. 1318 01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:59,260 That's what the FBI motto is. Fidelity, meaning that they have 1319 01:10:59,260 --> 01:11:00,780 rigid obedience to the Constitution. 1320 01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:03,580 Bravery meaning doing the right thing even when it's difficult. 1321 01:11:03,580 --> 01:11:06,660 Courage and integrity, doing the right thing when no one's 1322 01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:08,250 looking. And I think you just made the 1323 01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:09,410 argument that that's not happening. 1324 01:11:09,690 --> 01:11:10,930 I know that it's not happening too. 1325 01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:15,650 But what it It's hard for me to justify an agency surviving when 1326 01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:20,250 they are made-up of people that self proclaim a set of virtues 1327 01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:22,930 that they don't possess as an agency, not as human beings, but 1328 01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:23,810 as an agency. It doesn't. 1329 01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:25,850 It doesn't. It's not pervasive and you 1330 01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:28,890 experience it O. K And let me ask you on. 1331 01:11:29,650 --> 01:11:30,450 What? What? 1332 01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:34,330 Then would be the solution to create another agency? 1333 01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:36,650 Well, I think less government's. Better if you're asking me, but 1334 01:11:36,690 --> 01:11:38,130 I agree no. I agree. 1335 01:11:38,130 --> 01:11:40,650 No, I agree entirely. But The thing is, and this is 1336 01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:46,530 part of why I have the view that I do okay the Russians and the 1337 01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:50,210 Chinese, for example, they are going. 1338 01:11:50,210 --> 01:11:54,630 To create all sorts. Of infiltrators. 1339 01:11:54,670 --> 01:11:57,070 They're going to create all sorts of agitators. 1340 01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:59,470 They're going to create, in some cases, yes, even like sleeper 1341 01:11:59,470 --> 01:12:02,390 cells and terrorists and stuff like that to infiltrate our 1342 01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:03,710 country. Okay. 1343 01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:08,790 Now, should we leave it to state officials to protect the 1344 01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:09,550 homeland? No. 1345 01:12:09,550 --> 01:12:12,350 It is the federal government's job to protect the homeland, 1346 01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:14,310 protect the borders, which they're not freaking doing, 1347 01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:16,710 obviously. But so you just answered that 1348 01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:18,630 question. For us, well, but, but if. 1349 01:12:18,670 --> 01:12:21,470 They're not going to point, but at what point? 1350 01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:27,170 Are we going to leave ourselves vulnerable on a national level 1351 01:12:27,730 --> 01:12:31,290 because of the corruption that is existed in these agencies for 1352 01:12:31,290 --> 01:12:33,650 decades? The only reason why it's existed 1353 01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:36,130 and gone on for decades is because people are ignorant 1354 01:12:36,130 --> 01:12:38,650 about it, because people know it and not done anything about it. 1355 01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:42,490 So my thinking is, is that once the consciousness shifts, once 1356 01:12:42,490 --> 01:12:46,760 the minds of the people change. Then we will end up seeing a 1357 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,240 change in these agencies. Then we might actually see these 1358 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,240 agencies as a reflection of the consciousness of the people. 1359 01:12:55,480 --> 01:13:00,000 The this idea of sleeper cells, this idea of assassins or like 1360 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,800 infiltrators and spies and stuff like that. 1361 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,520 There has to be a certain federal apparatus, in my 1362 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,240 opinion, to deal with those things, and it has to be really 1363 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,800 freaking strong, not necessarily big. 1364 01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:16,260 But potent. So it's almost like, you know, 1365 01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:18,500 silent but deadly farts. They're the worst of all. 1366 01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:21,300 But the really, really loud ones are like, Oh my gosh, you know, 1367 01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:23,940 that there's, it was funny, but there's nothing really there, 1368 01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:26,820 you know? So my thinking is, is that, you 1369 01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:30,220 know, maybe the FBI has to be like a silent but deadly fart. 1370 01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:33,660 You know, you don't even know it's there until Oh my God, what 1371 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:35,680 the hell? You know what I mean? 1372 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,560 As opposed to being this massive that everybody in the room 1373 01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,960 hears, and that's kind of what they've become, except they've 1374 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,440 also become like almost like a a really loud and extremely stinky 1375 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:47,960 fart. You know what I mean? 1376 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,880 I do. I'm going to throw this as the 1377 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,160 simplest question to answer that and and I don't want an answer 1378 01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,120 right now, just something that you want. 1379 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,120 I know you have a platform of people that are going to listen 1380 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,640 to what you have to say. So I I'd be interested in you in 1381 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,920 the future. Reflecting on this, the FBI cost 1382 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,190 about $11 billion a year. The question is, are the 1383 01:14:04,190 --> 01:14:07,630 American people getting $11 billion worth out of the FBI? 1384 01:14:07,670 --> 01:14:10,910 As it currently stands, that's the only yay or nay for me. 1385 01:14:11,150 --> 01:14:12,350 Does it need to exist? No. 1386 01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:15,870 I can answer that right now, no. So those are the things that 1387 01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:17,270 you. Want I think the more 1388 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:20,590 complicated we make the the the discussion, the more difficult 1389 01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:23,110 we get into the weeds of it. The the FBI actually 1390 01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:26,590 functionally shut down during the original COVID lockdowns in 1391 01:14:27,190 --> 01:14:29,220 2020. It stopped having people come 1392 01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:30,700 into work. They started teleworking in a 1393 01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:32,740 way they never had. People just didn't show up in 1394 01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:34,420 the national security space. The things you're actually 1395 01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:37,140 telling me you're worried about, they didn't show up and you 1396 01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:39,620 didn't notice. I don't think that anything 1397 01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:41,700 happened. There was no significant attack 1398 01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:43,420 on the homeland. No one else noticed either. 1399 01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:44,940 By the way, it's not just you. It's everybody. 1400 01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:47,500 The counterintelligence work and the counterterrorism work 1401 01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:50,420 functionally shut down in most of the field offices in a big, 1402 01:14:50,420 --> 01:14:52,860 big way. So we did. 1403 01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:55,420 Have that experience. That's where we get into this 1404 01:14:55,420 --> 01:14:59,740 idea of if the constitution is suspended in the case of 1405 01:14:59,740 --> 01:15:02,940 national emergencies, then they will create national emergencies 1406 01:15:02,940 --> 01:15:06,460 to suspend the constitution. That's all correct. 1407 01:15:06,660 --> 01:15:09,740 Yeah, it is And they will, it turns out a taste of power, 1408 01:15:10,140 --> 01:15:12,140 whether it be at the top or driven by the bottom is sort of 1409 01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:13,500 irrelevant if it's driven at all. 1410 01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:15,340 It's it's a dangerous sort of power to have. 1411 01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:17,740 I wanted to give a couple opportunity for some of the 1412 01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:19,060 questions that may have come out of the chat. 1413 01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:21,340 Ryan, I'm just going to have you pop on here and let me know if 1414 01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:22,980 we had any questions in the chat that would be. 1415 01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:24,900 Go ahead. Yeah, I just sent you one. 1416 01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:27,260 That was the best one that I've seen come through, so if you 1417 01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:29,860 want to go with that one, I'll try to grab a couple. 1418 01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:32,340 More okay. So Jacob, here's what we have. 1419 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:36,620 So the other day on a Twitter space with TK Johnson and Jacob, 1420 01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:39,180 Terrek said basically that the officers were set up and 1421 01:15:39,180 --> 01:15:41,620 shouldn't be responsible for actions on that day because 1422 01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:43,820 everything falls back on Yogananda Pittman. 1423 01:15:43,900 --> 01:15:46,540 I think we've all, some people have heard this, he said. 1424 01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:48,780 The question says, I personally think that everybody should be 1425 01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:50,540 held accountable for their actions, personal 1426 01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:53,140 responsibility, do you feel like? 1427 01:15:53,490 --> 01:15:56,930 The use of force that Michael Byrd used on Ashley Babbitt and 1428 01:15:57,770 --> 01:16:00,730 Lila Morris used on Rosanna Boylan. 1429 01:16:01,170 --> 01:16:03,650 Rosanne Boylan, Sorry was objectively reasonable. 1430 01:16:04,690 --> 01:16:05,610 Your. Opinion on this? 1431 01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:10,610 No. Not objectively, objectively 1432 01:16:10,610 --> 01:16:15,730 reasonable, Rod. It's okay. 1433 01:16:16,050 --> 01:16:17,890 Your critter is now agitated. The sun. 1434 01:16:17,890 --> 01:16:24,300 Has come up and he saw B. Anyway, no, I don't think it was 1435 01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:30,740 right at all. But I will say that I think that 1436 01:16:30,740 --> 01:16:34,580 that was what people like, yo, going on to Pittman and yeah, 1437 01:16:34,780 --> 01:16:40,060 Nancy Pelosi and, yeah, Mark Miley and yeah, Christopher Wray 1438 01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:44,020 and yeah, the head of the CIAI think that's what they wanted. 1439 01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:48,180 I think that they wanted all of that because then they could use 1440 01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:51,110 it as an excuse. Get rid of Trump. 1441 01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:53,470 Demonize Trump and his supporters. 1442 01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:57,790 Now, that's just my opinion. I believe in the idea of taking 1443 01:16:57,790 --> 01:17:00,030 full responsibility. I took full responsibility for 1444 01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:01,590 my actions. If the government said, oh, 1445 01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:06,670 well, you know, you obstructed an official proceeding, this is 1446 01:17:06,670 --> 01:17:08,870 a felony. All right. 1447 01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:11,350 Well, you know, I don't necessarily think that it was 1448 01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:14,870 that extreme, but, you know, if, and this is what I said to the 1449 01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:17,430 judge on the day of my sentencing if. 1450 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,680 I didn't want a flag thrown on the field then. 1451 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,600 I should not have behaved in a way that got a flag thrown on 1452 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,760 the field. And so I take responsibility and 1453 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:32,320 I did my time and I got out. It's really a shame that people 1454 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,840 like Ashley, Babbitt and Roseanne. 1455 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,520 Is it Rosanna? Rosanna. 1456 01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,560 Roseanne Boylan. That these people were killed, 1457 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,380 it's it was totally unnecessary. I also think that part of the 1458 01:17:45,380 --> 01:17:50,980 reason why they disciplined Officer Johnson so much was 1459 01:17:50,980 --> 01:17:53,380 because he screwed up their little scheme. 1460 01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:56,980 He screwed up their plan. He they wanted the senators in 1461 01:17:56,980 --> 01:18:00,140 the chamber just like they wanted the House representatives 1462 01:18:00,140 --> 01:18:02,660 in the chamber. And that would give them a 1463 01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:06,660 reason to use deadly force. That would give them a reason to 1464 01:18:06,820 --> 01:18:10,340 say they were trying to to harm the congressman or something. 1465 01:18:10,340 --> 01:18:12,340 So I think he screwed up their little plan. 1466 01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:14,150 And that's why they went after me. 1467 01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:18,470 They should have evacuated the the congressman the moment that 1468 01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:21,550 people breached the barriers. And the fact that Yogananda 1469 01:18:21,550 --> 01:18:24,830 Pittman was sitting her rear end in the chair watching it all go 1470 01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:28,950 down, sipping coffee and eating popcorn and not doing a Dang 1471 01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:34,070 thing about it is, to me, indicative of nefarious agendas. 1472 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,200 Fair enough, I got one. Other question for you we're 1473 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,720 going to do This is the last question, We're going to wrap 1474 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,040 this sucker up here. It says how do you feel about 1475 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,400 the media and the Democrats trying to paint you as the tip 1476 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,920 of the spear for a false violent insurrection? 1477 01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,400 And do you plan to sue the shit out of them? 1478 01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,200 This person says. They're sorry that you had to 1479 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,040 spend time in prison for what was a walking tour of the 1480 01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,840 Capitol. All right, so how do you feel 1481 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,880 about being smeared that way, or or being pointed as the tip of 1482 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,080 the spear for this insurrection? Air quotes? 1483 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,640 Well. They they used my image. 1484 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,760 To create a shock and awe campaign that would divide the 1485 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,800 country. They used my image to create a 1486 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,320 straw man. And that straw man they labeled 1487 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,760 all sorts of things that they could then easily defeat. 1488 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,360 I am not a victim. I am a victor. 1489 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,400 I don't allow anybody to victimize me, you know? 1490 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,640 And The thing is, is that you? You have to care about what 1491 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,400 people think of you in order to you have to value people's 1492 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,000 opinion in order to care what people are saying. 1493 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,600 And I don't value the media's opinion whatsoever. 1494 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,640 So they they're welcome to say whatever they like. 1495 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,120 They're mockingbirds. They're all full of excrement as 1496 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:52,560 far as I'm concerned. So what, am I going to sue the 1497 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,600 shit out of them? I asked my lawyer about that 1498 01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:02,160 because I considered it heavily. Litigation. 1499 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,400 Is a bitch. Litigation sucks. 1500 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,560 I don't like the courtroom. I don't like the legal system 1501 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:13,320 and it would cost me money. I'm not so money hungry as to 1502 01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,800 come after the media to get money out of them. 1503 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,640 What I think is the ultimate victory is they gave me a bigger 1504 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,770 microphone than I ever had. And now I can come out and 1505 01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:28,370 dispel their BS narrative and call them Mockingbird Media and 1506 01:20:28,530 --> 01:20:31,850 and you know, show that no, I'm not this crazy violent 1507 01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:35,810 insurrectionist like they said and dispel all their BS that 1508 01:20:36,170 --> 01:20:40,870 that that is a reward. That right there is worth more 1509 01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:44,070 than anything money can buy. Because now I have a chance to 1510 01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:48,110 take all this negativity, this spell of black magic and 1511 01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:51,750 illusions that was projected on me and just shoot it right back 1512 01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:53,150 at him. It's a counter spell. 1513 01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:54,270 Oh, yeah. Okay. 1514 01:20:54,270 --> 01:20:55,950 Here you go. Well, how about this? 1515 01:20:56,350 --> 01:21:00,030 You know, how about we just take a little finger of truth and 1516 01:21:00,030 --> 01:21:02,390 poke at that House of Cards of lies? 1517 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:08,240 You know, and watch it all tumble down, you know, Yeah, 1518 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,360 fair enough. Well if nothing else I think you 1519 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,840 may have inspired a hashtag in our our user chat. 1520 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,160 The hashtag find your balls for the FBI agents out there in the 1521 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,120 world. So if you want to see that trend 1522 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,080 I'm sure you have a you have a platform and as do I. 1523 01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,280 So I'm happy to to retweet that there your your handles on 1524 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,720 Twitter are American Shaman correct or. 1525 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,600 America, America, America, Shaman, America, Shaman no N. 1526 01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,280 We'll put that in the show notes and I do appreciate you getting 1527 01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:35,720 up early. It looks like you've got that, 1528 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,880 that beautiful Arizona Sunrise getting right into your eyes 1529 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,400 right now. So probably time to start the 1530 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,000 day. And I do appreciate you waking 1531 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,640 up early enough to to share it. Yes, Sir. 1532 01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,040 One other thing. My website Please Forbidden 1533 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,680 Truth academy.com That's Forbidden Truth academy.com 1534 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,920 Forbidden Truth academy.com We have free courses that you can 1535 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,200 take. We also have Forbidden Truth 1536 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,040 Podcast in the link there. If you want to watch the the 1537 01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:02,020 podcast we have in total probably like like 18. 1538 01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:04,740 Hours or so worth of free content there. 1539 01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:10,460 We also have in the menu portion of the web page, you can go down 1540 01:22:10,460 --> 01:22:13,420 and see all of my big interviews that I've done. 1541 01:22:13,420 --> 01:22:15,500 We got hours and hours worth of content there. 1542 01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:22,680 And I would just say that you know the issue that we. 1543 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,200 Are in right now is a crisis of consciousness, and once that 1544 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,760 crisis of consciousness is solved, once our spiritual 1545 01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,520 perspective has been realigned, then all of the problems that 1546 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,650 are a symptom. Of those spiritual distortions 1547 01:22:38,650 --> 01:22:41,450 will correct themselves. And that was kind of the point 1548 01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:47,050 of forbidden truth. academy.com was to create a platform where 1549 01:22:47,050 --> 01:22:51,490 all of these issues could end up being ironed out and made clear. 1550 01:22:51,490 --> 01:22:54,170 That's also the reason I wrote my book, One Mind at a Time, A 1551 01:22:54,170 --> 01:22:56,130 Deep State of Illusion on Amazon. 1552 01:22:56,130 --> 01:22:58,250 You can find it on Amazon One Mind at a Time, A Deep State of 1553 01:22:58,250 --> 01:23:02,010 Illusion by Jacob Angeli. All of these things are designed 1554 01:23:02,010 --> 01:23:04,910 to create clarity. They say that the path to hell 1555 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:08,510 is paved with good intentions, but it is not paved with 1556 01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:11,430 clarity. So that's why I'm trying to 1557 01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:15,550 paint a path that's clear and and create some clarity in the 1558 01:23:15,550 --> 01:23:18,430 world because that's what we need to, you know, change our 1559 01:23:18,430 --> 01:23:20,350 consciousness. I really appreciate it. 1560 01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:22,110 And I appreciate you joining me this morning. 1561 01:23:22,110 --> 01:23:23,870 I will share those links in the show description. 1562 01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:26,670 So folks, you'll find those and they're all updated as we as we 1563 01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:28,150 push this thing out into the replay. 1564 01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:30,550 Jacob, thanks for joining me this morning, folks. 1565 01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:32,710 You've been listening to the Kyle Seraphin Show streamed live 1566 01:23:32,710 --> 01:23:38,150 from Liberty Hill, TX in Texas, America at 9:30 every morning 1567 01:23:38,150 --> 01:23:39,790 during the weekday. So we do appreciate you joining 1568 01:23:39,790 --> 01:23:41,150 us there. Want to say thanks to all of you 1569 01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:43,550 and we want to say thanks for the five star reviews we have 1570 01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:45,590 been getting. This one is from that Kentucky 1571 01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:48,910 girl saying a true countryman love Kyle first watched him on 1572 01:23:48,910 --> 01:23:50,710 Bongino. And have followed him ever 1573 01:23:50,710 --> 01:23:51,830 since. He's knowledgeable and 1574 01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:52,870 courageous. Thanks, Kyle. 1575 01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:56,870 Thank you Kentucky Country Girl. We do really appreciate you 1576 01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:58,470 joining us here. We want to say thanks to Ryan 1577 01:23:58,470 --> 01:24:02,150 Matta for his production. You can follow him at Ryan Matta 1578 01:24:02,350 --> 01:24:05,670 Media on Twitter or at Ryan Matta on True Social. 1579 01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:08,190 And thanks to our guests Jacob Chansley. 1580 01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:10,990 You can find him on Twitter at America. 1581 01:24:11,230 --> 01:24:13,150 Not American, but America Shaman. 1582 01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:14,470 Folks, don't forget to like this video. 1583 01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:17,110 If you're watching us on rumble.com/kyle Serafin, we do 1584 01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:18,980 stream it live. In the mornings and you can join 1585 01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:20,860 us there in the live chat. Thanks to all the live chatters. 1586 01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:23,580 We will see you again tomorrow for Friendly Friday. 1587 01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:26,100 You guys have a great day. 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