1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,080 It's like one of my secret bugaboos. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,240 You'll notice I'm I'm usually wearing a button down shirt and 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,600 most of the time wearing a jacket. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,280 When I do an appearance, every minute I'm on there, I'm selling 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,800 my my lawyer ring. So I should look a little bit 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,800 but like people think a lawyer should look like. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,640 That was one thing that struck me about the Black Muslims, the 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,600 Nation of Islam is they teach their guys. 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,960 Why not look like $1,000,000? Do you think a solution to some 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,640 of this ridiculousness is dressing like a grown? 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Up. Yeah, I do. 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,560 I think a lot of the things that we see people do they they 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,400 wouldn't dream of doing either because they would feel silly 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,720 because they would recognize that they're they're acting out 15 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,680 of out of out of place. But also good self regard that 16 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,600 comes the healthy self regard that comes from looking like a 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,200 Mensch. And dressing like a Mensch is 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,520 contagious to your entire self. Do act differently when I'm 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:56,920 wearing a suit I feel like. Think about it now, all 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,840 interviewers have their own style, and my style is to try to 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,680 get to the point and to be intensely curious. 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,519 And the key to interviewing is listening. 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower and 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,440 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,920 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,360 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,280 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,160 agent Kyle Seraf. Well, hello my friends, welcome 29 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,760 to our Sunday Sit down and episode 600. 30 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,520 That seems like a lot. My daughter just asked me that 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,960 this morning. How many of these shows have you 32 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:38,680 done? I said I don't know, but like 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,720 over 500. We're at 600 today. 34 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,600 So thanks for joining us for the 600 episode. 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,920 The Pal Seraphin show is we've settled into this format of 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,040 doing Sunday sit downs and that's what this is. 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 It's going to be a profile on kind of the state of affairs. 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,560 It's a it's actually a great fun little chat. 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,640 I went back and edited and was listening to it and I thought, 40 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,720 doggone it, I would sit and listen to this all again. 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,480 And I was there when we recorded it. 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,480 So it's a little bit of a couple days old at this point, but 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,320 we're going to be talking to Ron Coleman. 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,840 He's an attorney. He's argued in front of the 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,360 Supreme Court. He works with the Dylan law 46 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,960 firm. He's also a social media 47 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,000 personality and a podcaster and just an all around interesting 48 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,840 nice guy and he makes me laugh. He's very bright. 49 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,960 It's nice to talk to smart people. 50 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,320 I think my dad told me that one time. 51 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,200 It's really, it is nice to talk to smart people. 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,160 It's nice when people have a different sense of humor that 53 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,080 also kind of tickles your funny bone. 54 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,880 So I think you guys are going to enjoy this conversation. 55 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,960 It's not super heavy. 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Not going to 98 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,360 lastlong@mypatriotsupply.com/kyle. Get yourself squared away right 99 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,080 now. Let's do this conversation with 100 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:44,120 Mr. Ron Coleman. Let's do this. 101 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Ladies and gentlemen, my guest today is Ron Coleman. 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,360 He's one of my favorite people, even if he doesn't know it. 103 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,440 And he sort of insinuated himself on to today's program by 104 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,240 asking if he was going to be on today's program. 105 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,640 So here he is. Hello, Ron Coleman. 106 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,960 How you doing? I'm really well. 107 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:01,400 How are you doing? I'm all right. 108 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,080 Thank you. I didn't. 109 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,920 It wasn't necessarily a today's program thing. 110 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,400 But then I should realize you don't really have anyone else 111 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,120 coming on. So if I say I'd like to be on 112 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,080 the show again, Kyle, because right, you know, it's been a 113 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,120 while, they should have realized that for you that means, wow, 114 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,640 I've got someone for tomorrow. Really, man? 115 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,760 I don't want to blow your mind, but I've been doing these 116 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,200 interviews on Sundays and so you're like a couple weeks out 117 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,120 now from today. So that's even we're we're 118 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,840 stocking in, we're filling our cup. 119 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,280 Well, I got to say that I'm impressed with that kind of 120 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,280 having that kind of stock. As a podcaster myself. 121 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,160 You know, it's hard keeping interviews that long because 122 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,920 sometimes they become untimely. Unless you're talking about 123 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,760 like, Renaissance literature. I think that's probably what 124 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,240 we're going to end up talking about today. 125 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,480 Actually. I felt like what we would talk 126 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,640 about today is the status of the 1st Amendment in this country 127 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,040 because I think speech is always important and we're kind of at 128 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,920 an interesting time. So you actually opined on a on a 129 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,320 post that I made where I had an issue with the White House press 130 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,280 secretary calling out a reporter from her official Twitter 131 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:11,560 account. And when you and I do a lot on 132 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,520 Twitter. So that's what I thought might 133 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,760 be kind of an interesting discussion. 134 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 And I think it'll also maybe get bigger, like maybe we should 135 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,000 burn down cities if we're unhappy with what's being said 136 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,800 or what other fun things are out there. 137 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,200 And maybe we can find out if it's the Jews that are 138 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,120 responsible for all the bad things because I keep getting 139 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,640 told that I'm getting paid by the Jews. 140 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Someone said I got to come to you to get the paycheck. 141 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,560 So I think we got like plenty to talk about. 142 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,960 It's always going to be timely. Especially look, there's always 143 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,920 time to talk about the Jews. Why? 144 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,080 Hold on, let's let's just go straight there for one second. 145 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,400 What about this time? Because I don't remember a time 146 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,640 in my life when it was so easy for people to jump up and 147 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,720 insinuate that it is the Jews and I. 148 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,520 I like to spell Jews with OS that get bigger and smaller 149 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,040 through for a lot of them. Yeah, I don't quite understand 150 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,840 like that the, the, the spelling of the Jews thing got altered me 151 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:07,440 very, very fast. I will be quite honest with you. 152 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,360 But in terms of the your, your essential question, it's social 153 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,680 media. It's social media and it was 154 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,640 never, you know, there has never been as little gatekeeping on 155 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,880 public expression as there is now. 156 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,280 And it although it is true that there are forces that from the 157 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:37,600 outside and some from the inside that are using anti-Semitism as 158 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:44,440 a weapon to divide us. Clearly, it's also the case that 159 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:50,400 there are have always been numbers of lunatics who have 160 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,960 historically or, or, or, you know, male contents miscreants 161 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 who have historically not been able to get their voice out 162 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,160 there because nobody with any valuable sort of outlet would 163 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,880 let them do so. Now, every man is his own 164 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,320 publisher. And there are many, many 165 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,680 terrific things about that because gatekeeping really is 166 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:20,440 hard to justify in an age when there's no capital investment 167 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:27,560 required to broadcast something. But what we get is a picture of 168 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,440 what is probably to a significant extent, been flowing 169 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,600 beneath our very feet for much longer than we want to realize. 170 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,400 You think there's always been an amount of bigotry and there just 171 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,720 hasn't been a means to distribute it as much? 172 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Of course, of course, I don't think that anyone doubts that. 173 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,360 All kinds of bigotry, all kinds of resentment, all kinds of 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:58,040 jealousy, all kinds of generalized observations about 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:05,080 groups of people that may very well have validity that even 176 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,320 historical. I mean, you really still in the 177 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,520 mainstream press and in the Academy are not allowed to 178 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,720 publish or teach or even really talk about intellectual 179 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:22,920 intelligence differences among different the populations of 180 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,080 people. And you can't really 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,680 scientifically say race. There really aren't races. 182 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,280 There's no genetic difference. There are differences in 183 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,480 features and in geology, geology, geology, geography. 184 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,920 But nonetheless, we know there are generally speaking, there's 185 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,080 such a thing as white people, black people, Asian people, 186 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,360 many, many, many, many, many, many, many different kinds of 187 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Asian people. I mean other. 188 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,200 I think they're all different flavors of Chinese. 189 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,960 Are you saying otherwise? I think. 190 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,640 I think I am. OK, I like I like asking Asian 191 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,360 people what flavor of Chinese they are, because really good 192 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,880 spirited people will always laugh at that. 193 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,000 And people that are that are maybe a little bit punchy about 194 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,440 it tend to be very upset about it. 195 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,680 But I like to be a reverent as as I think you do sometimes it's 196 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:13,520 just fun to say. We also like to be dark and 197 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,680 irreverent. Yes. 198 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Including in your studio. Yes, can. 199 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,480 We can we get a little bit more light on you or is this part of 200 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,760 your deep cover now? I want to put the light on the 201 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,160 subject of who I'm talking to so it's less about. 202 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,920 Me, I don't know who is that what it? 203 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Is is that stylistic? Also, I've just moved my 204 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,880 lighting, so it's possible that I need to turn that one up. 205 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,360 It's now further away. It used to be a glowing orb in 206 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,680 my in my eyeballs, so this is a little bit easier. 207 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,320 You know, actually I'm supposed to. 208 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:47,080 I just always forget I'm supposed to buffer down my shine 209 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:47,480 here. Oh. 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,840 I thought it looked nice. Well, it just, it throws off the 211 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,760 meter a little bit, you know? I mean, Harmeet taught me that. 212 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,320 I have to. Here we go. 213 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Oh, quite good, yeah. See just just a little bit 214 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,080 there. This is a harmeet trick. 215 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,440 Well, you know, I don't think she has the problem in quite the 216 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:13,120 same language, but you know, she is arguably Speaking of our 217 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:18,600 favorite topic, crime and punishment, right, and the FBI 218 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,400 and the the Department of Justice. 219 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,400 She is arguably the one person you can say who was coming to 220 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,680 DOJ who is making differences on the ground immediately. 221 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,200 I agree. And to a large extent, her 222 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:40,160 success backs up your hypothesis that the people we have been 223 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:49,600 looking to for big changes at FBI don't seem to be prepared to 224 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,840 implement them. Time is of the essence, one 225 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,600 would think. You would think. 226 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,960 Although when it comes to one thing I will say, when people 227 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,440 talk about arrests and indictments, I expect that to 228 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,800 take long. That takes a long time. 229 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,400 Sure, that takes a long time. The fact that the Democrats 230 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,360 wasted no time arresting people for J6 yeah, they didn't. 231 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,040 But that was that was just what what the mafia does. 232 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,840 I mean, it was that was basically just an organized 233 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,240 crime action under the color of law. 234 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,280 So I I bet like that doesn't impress me at all. 235 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,200 In fact, it depresses me. But on the other hand. 236 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,960 Did you say it depresses you? Well, I mean, that was nice. 237 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,760 Does Ron Coleman ever really look deeper? 238 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,720 You know what though? Just Speaking of depressed, did 239 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,480 you see that video, an AI video that someone did a few days 240 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:51,800 maybe it was a week ago, yeah. About showing Trump and Musk 241 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,520 after their breakup. Oh, it is, it is so. 242 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:04,000 It is so good and the and the brilliance of it is like, it 243 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,960 shows them like going through their separate lives, but their 244 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,560 hearts are like. Something is missing. 245 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,960 They keep thinking of each other OK. 246 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,120 And it was the most compelling depiction of broken hearted 247 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,840 males. I think they're going to get 248 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,600 back together. Well, apparently they're playing 249 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,560 nice on X now. You know, I just saw, you know, 250 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:34,160 a heart from Musk. I mean, one or both of them was 251 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,040 off their meds or, or on on his meds. 252 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,640 You know, that was a crazy incident, but you know, I I 253 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,400 despair. I got us a little bit further 254 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,920 off topic because we did we had actually had an important thing 255 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,760 to talk about, which is so we were talking about. 256 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,240 I had made a comment yes. Your original point was the 257 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,080 government just leave it is that her name? 258 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,640 Yes. Caroline demanded to know is NBC 259 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,120 was was it ABC or NBC? It was a BC. 260 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,320 ABC What are you going to do about this guy? 261 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,720 Right. He said. 262 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,440 And it was all kinds of shit talk that he was doing. 263 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Yeah, he was. And it was ugly. 264 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,400 It was nasty. It was nasty, but it wasn't. 265 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,320 It wasn't profane. Threatening. 266 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,040 It wasn't professional, but it wasn't profane and it wasn't 267 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,000 professional. I agree with that. 268 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,440 It was just sort of like what people who are having a bad day 269 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,240 might say. If yeah. 270 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,520 And it's what? And it's what we know 90% of 271 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,760 them are thinking almost all the time. 272 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,920 Yeah, I agree. And so there are two, there are 273 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,320 definitely two sides to this. On the one hand, she's 274 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,120 absolutely entitled to to squeeze ABC. 275 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,280 For what it's worth, this is what they call an economics, 276 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,280 right? Moral suasion when the Fed gets 277 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,520 the banks together and say, listen, I don't, I don't want to 278 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,880 change the discount rate, but I I need you guys to work with me. 279 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,960 I need you. So but, but but the way it came 280 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:07,520 across, I think you and I both agree, was as if some sort of 281 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:14,560 law had been broken or some sort of more than a social decency 282 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:20,320 protocol, but that ABC was in danger of losing some kind of 283 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,800 right or privilege. Now, the Supreme Court just held 284 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,840 that the White House can in fact, not the Supreme Court. 285 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,840 I'm sorry, was the, the DC Circuit of all places? 286 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,880 OK, said no, the the the White House can kick people out of the 287 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,920 press room for no reason or any reason, including stupid reasons 288 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:46,200 like the Gulf of America that that's actually no, no 289 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,280 organization or person has a First Amendment right to a 290 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,200 privileged seats in the in the press room. 291 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,560 OK. So that's what that that, what 292 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,800 was that decision that just came out? 293 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,840 I think it, I think it was, I mean, I saw it on and I heard 294 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,320 about it through Robert Govia. OK. 295 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,440 But is that something? And then is the news 296 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,640 organization, are they appealing that all the way if they? 297 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,680 Can well, they've now. So what happened was the 298 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,360 decision, it was an emergency appeal to the to the Federal 299 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Circuit, not the Federal Circuit, the DC Circuit, which 300 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,800 reversed the District Court. If it's going to go to the 301 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Supreme Court, they are not going to consider it, in my 302 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,200 humble opinion on will they? Will they be able to take it to 303 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,520 like an in bank or or a panel review at all? 304 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,800 They they could, they could. So you're saying it might, this 305 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,120 might not be the, the, the last word on this matter. 306 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,560 I I think it's a very sound decision though. 307 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,560 OK, but that has nothing to do with the DC Circuit? 308 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,040 No, that doesn't have anything to do with anything, it turns 309 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,880 out in our courts at this point. But, but I think what it, but 310 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,400 what we're saying is that there at least has been a decision. 311 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,680 And the decision was, is that you have no right to access, 312 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,400 which is kind of what what the White House spokesperson was 313 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,040 saying or the press secretary rather. 314 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,160 She kind of alluded to you were in danger of losing access. 315 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,119 And you're saying that the courts have said, yeah, you 316 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,400 don't have a right to access? Yeah. 317 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,720 And you know, there's something to there's something to be said 318 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,920 for, for saying if you, you know, we understand that we are 319 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,240 political adversaries. We we get that. 320 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,600 No surprise here. But if you're going to be over 321 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:41,000 the top nasty, just like I wouldn't expect to be granting 322 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,320 access to the Sturmer or the Daily Worker, or in other words, 323 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,280 people who are just whose, whose outlets or who themselves are 324 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,720 just simply too obnoxious to be tolerated. 325 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,520 We're not going to do it and we're going to kick, you know, 326 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,680 we're going to kick you out. And I mean, I don't understand 327 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,320 how anyone could ever have really seriously argued that any 328 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,040 organization or person has a right to a privileged location 329 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,520 in the, in, in, in the, in the press office. 330 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,880 So. So I apparently that tweet was 331 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,400 deleted. Yes, and, you know, it went more 332 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,560 or less as it should. And listen, I also don't have a 333 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,920 real problem with the Trump administration or its personnel. 334 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Well, the administration flexing its muscles where it can, 335 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:38,640 especially given how assiduously other branches of government, 336 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,600 especially the judiciary, has acted to clip its wings in so 337 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,360 many respects. So, you know, politically 338 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,040 speaking, in terms of bare fist, bare fisted, political brawling, 339 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,560 It's it's, it's fine. I don't really, but, but I do 340 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,800 think you and I have the same impression when we read it, 341 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,800 which was that it just came across a little bit 342 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,400 heavy-handed. Yeah. 343 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,600 I guess the question is, is it good for America whether or not 344 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,760 you're allowed to do it, that you do things like that? 345 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,240 In other words, you know, is it something that you should do 346 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,040 even if you can do it? You know, I, I think you, I 347 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,920 think the answer is it's the kind of thing you should do. 348 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,920 I think she, I think her e-mail was, it was a very long e-mail. 349 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:28,640 Not her e-mail, her, her post. I liked it. 350 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,600 I like to think that she was emailing us directly. 351 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,240 I liked. It, it was like, it was very 352 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,680 much like an e-mail. But first of all, I don't, I 353 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,360 don't like very long emails either. 354 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,680 I think that she could have made the point a lot faster. 355 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,960 You know, this is a little bit kind of the problem that 356 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,080 President Trump himself often has in his posts. 357 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,520 Just when you think that he. OK, you know, you read the first 358 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,840 couple sentences and yeah, you know, I think you might be on to 359 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,000 something there, President Trump. 360 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,760 But then he. Right, so you talk yourself out 361 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,120 of it. Then he talks you out of it 362 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:04,440 because he starts with the capital letters and the you 363 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,440 know, and. Brevity really is the soul of 364 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,360 wit, Kyle. It is, and you know what I think 365 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,960 that goes to the earliest point you made is that the low bar of 366 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,360 entry of of any man being his own publisher. 367 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,120 You know what you don't have when you're self-publishing? 368 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:24,200 Usually is a good editor. That is very true. 369 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,280 And because I'm hearing this all the time from my my brilliant 370 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,440 and and lovely wife, Jane Coleman, who writes for Legal 371 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,320 Insurrection and who edits herself the occasional late 372 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,320 night involuntary assistance of of her lawyer, writer and 373 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:49,720 podcaster husband, but who who so assiduously edits herself or 374 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,600 she's like just this crazy, like I'm a shoot from the hip guy. 375 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,600 But you're also very brief when you shoot from the hip. 376 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,840 Well, I do tend to to to. Yeah, I do think I did boil 377 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,120 things down as a general rule, and so does Jane. 378 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:09,840 But but her getting there is, is such a such a grind and is but, 379 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560 but she's always telling me when she reads other people's stuff, 380 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,640 no one's editing anything anymore. 381 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,320 And that also includes books that come in hardcover from 382 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,120 publishing houses because because traditional media are 383 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:34,640 competing with are competing with the free media, the 384 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,680 margins, you know, in order for them to compete financially or 385 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,880 economically. The the features are are I'm 386 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,520 sorry there's less and less attention being paid to editing 387 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,840 and you don't see things like indexes in in books anymore 388 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,480 either. No, I think you feel they're 389 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,480 trying to tighten that tooth to tail ratio. 390 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,920 That's what the military would call it so. 391 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,040 To tail ratio you. Like that that yeah, the the 392 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,120 tail being everything behind, but the tooth being what 393 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,120 actually bites you, which is the the the print itself and and and 394 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,440 editing always seems to suffer. Let me let me give you the I 395 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,680 think his name was Terry Morons. That sound right? 396 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,560 And and Carolyn Lovett. Let me give you a alternative 397 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,320 world scenario where I think you might agree with me. 398 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:23,400 Imagine Terry of ABC News writes his unhinged tweet and it's it's 399 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,560 not pleasant, not professional, but not profane. 400 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,280 As we said, it's certainly not the worst or nastiest thing that 401 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,320 we've read this week because we spent time on social media. 402 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,320 In other words, it's it's it's it's high normal. 403 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,480 It's anything that Rachel Maddow would have normally read on her 404 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,200 evening newscast thing that she does. 405 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,200 Got it. OK, so it's ugly. 406 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,480 And the White House press, you know, physically and also to the 407 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,560 ear. And so I said it. 408 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,040 I'll loan that. And so the White House press 409 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:07,160 secretary says, we really hope that ABC considers professional 410 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,120 standards for their journalists in future. 411 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,240 Boop. And everybody knows what she 412 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,760 meant. And then Peter Doocy probably 413 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,760 shows up at the next press secretary briefing because he's 414 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,480 known to be helpful in that way. And then he says, press 415 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,520 secretary, we we've noticed that Terry Moran had the tweet and 416 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,200 then he he deleted it. And he had these sort of nasty 417 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,040 things to say about Stephen Miller. 418 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,240 What is the White House's position about people from ABC 419 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,360 having nasty tweets about Stephen Miller? 420 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,680 And she just says, we hope that journalists in America are 421 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,160 striving for truth and giving the American people information. 422 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,000 We've seen, obviously, that that hasn't happened in the last 423 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 couple years. We hope that they continue to do 424 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,440 better. And we, you know, we stand by 425 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,840 his decision to delete that tweet because it's probably the 426 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,520 right move. We hope that moves the discourse 427 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,160 forward. That's the White House 428 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,480 statement. Doesn't have to be any more than 429 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,200 that. He's been slapped, as we would 430 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720 say in the military, slapped on the pee pee as necessary. 431 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,160 And everybody knows that They're the adults in the room. 432 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,120 And America is no worse off. Is that good or not good? 433 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,440 I'm going to say that you're watering it down a little bit 434 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,560 too much. Too much? 435 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Does it need to be more aggressive? 436 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,160 Because what you've, what you've just given me in terms of the 437 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:32,840 exchange is a rather muddled, vague, bureaucratic kind of 438 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,440 speak that doesn't tell us, especially those of us who are 439 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,560 not in the loop Here's like, here's. 440 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,360 The thing there needs to be exposition to the problem, I 441 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:44,720 think. There has to be some exposition 442 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,760 because right, you got to help these people who are actually 443 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,040 following these people and reading their stuff and know 444 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,280 what's going on. But most but us, we normal 445 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,080 people have no idea so. You're not in the normal people, 446 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,600 you're in the highly informed people. 447 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,720 I'm the highly informed people on certain things, but on track 448 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,520 on what journalists say about President Trump. 449 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,600 I'm like, isn't that usually on blue sky anyway? 450 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,400 Aren't they mostly right? I suppose so. 451 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,840 Is there a lot of anti-Semitism on Blue Sky? 452 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Is there? I don't know. 453 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,560 Do you hear that? I don't know I mean they just I, 454 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800 I I applied they said it's not anti-Semitism wrong. 455 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,640 But we do judge a man by the size of his nose and how much 456 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,720 you and how much he talks with his hands. 457 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,560 So you're not aware of any. No, I mean, seriously, I, I, I 458 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,360 don't, I understand. It's a highly, highly filtered 459 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:46,760 environment and anyone they regard as a Nazi, including a 460 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,320 semi such as myself, doesn't, is not allowed to participate in 461 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,360 the discussion. From what I understand, the, the 462 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,600 oxygen is being so rapidly drained out of that room that 463 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,240 they're all going to be pretty much, you know, sniffing their 464 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:07,240 way along the, the linoleum pretty soon in a desperate 465 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,000 attempt to, you know, retain consciousness. 466 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,480 So I, I, I don't really know what's going on in Blue Sky, you 467 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,000 know, among the things that I always wish I had time to do, 468 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,560 like why go join anyone on blue sky just to get it kicked off 469 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,600 immediately? Even if I, you know, that's not, 470 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,360 that's a waste of time. I will tell you one secret 471 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,320 desire that I had. I, I don't have the time and I'm 472 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,400 not even sure I have the inclination, but there's a part 473 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800 of me that does to do a parody account. 474 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,720 There's so many potential parody accounts and I think we've lost, 475 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:44,880 I think we've lost a number of them. 476 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,400 I don't think we have the the parody accounts that we used to. 477 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,920 They all end up getting big enough that people follow them 478 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,720 and then they start taking themselves seriously. 479 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080 Which yes, that's true. They they they step out of 480 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800 character and plus they're eventually doxxed. 481 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,120 Inevitably. And then they take on the right 482 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,280 their new identity. By the way, have you have you 483 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,760 seen any of the stuff about the Pope hat? 484 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,960 About what? An utterly crazed guy at 485 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,880 lunatic. Who is this? 486 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,440 Ken White doesn't ring any bells with you. 487 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:23,120 No, he was a very prominent when we still a prominent Blogger. 488 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,760 If anyone pays attention to blogs, most blogs are not 489 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,640 getting a lot of attention. But his blog was called Pope Hat 490 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,840 when I worked on him with him on many, many things. 491 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:41,560 And he was a conservative libertarian who Trump simply 492 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,640 absolutely snapped in half like a like a really Southern 493 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,080 California droughty twig. OK. 494 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:59,200 And he he's now he's so Trump deranged. 495 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,560 He left, he left blue sky after he he left Twitter after Elon 496 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,480 bought it. He's been on blue. 497 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,640 He has his like a whole cult. He's a brilliant writer. 498 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,000 He seems to be a very good lawyer. 499 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,920 He lost some some big ones, but I've lost some big ones. 500 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,440 But he really cut off all those friends, everyone who you know, 501 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,040 we considered to be insufficiently anti Trump or 502 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,160 much less pro Trump. But if you don't know the guy, 503 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,960 we're we're just. No, But that does say that 504 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,440 there's a lot of really bright people that seem to have really 505 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800 lost their minds, like people that I would otherwise respect 506 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,320 in other venues. And then the minute that 507 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,960 something comes up, they Why is there such an emotional reaction 508 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,280 to Donald Trump? Well, and here's a related 509 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,480 question. I still have that question. 510 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,120 I don't know because I don't feel emotional about the guy at 511 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,040 all. I just don't. 512 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,880 Emotional. I myself have been devoid of 513 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,240 emotions for a very, very long time, so I can't. 514 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:58,960 But the DC Circuit has actually issued a number of moderately 515 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,960 reasonable stays and decisions in favor of the Trump 516 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,560 administration. And yet when it comes to 517 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,280 anything involving J6, they're absolutely out of their minds. 518 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320 Yeah, so and, and and most of them are bright people. 519 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:28,280 So there's just, it's the nature of woke virus infection that 520 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,360 different patients are affected differently. 521 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,360 And sometimes they lose it all, but sometimes they they only 522 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,000 lose portions of their rationality. 523 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,640 And it seems that in the DC courts, they have everyone, you 524 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:49,200 know, took a blood oath that anyone involved in or suspected 525 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,800 of approving anything that happened on January 6th must 526 00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,720 must be hounded and prosecuted and persecuted to the fullest 527 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,320 possible extent, but to a very large extent. 528 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880 And there have been, unfortunately, far too many 529 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,240 exceptions to this. They've kind of gone back to 530 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640 doing their jobs, it seems, and sometimes coming out with some 531 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,240 reasonable opinions. Unlike, say, the first Circuit, 532 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,600 I now say the first. What what area is covered by the 533 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,920 1st Circuit? First Circuit's New England, OK, 534 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,520 and it is. It's pretty much that there's a 535 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,920 judge in Boston who has just become the go to judge for 536 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,240 injunctions against anything Trump does. 537 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,960 And the First Circuit has upheld almost every one of them. 538 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,360 And I will tell you that as a I'm a member of all the circuit 539 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,760 courts in the country, whenever I get involved in a case 540 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,400 involving the First Circuit, I'm pretty confident it's a waste of 541 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,280 time. In other words, people, why 542 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920 would you come to a guy in New Jersey first Circuit case for 543 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,280 first Circuit case? Because Mark, because Mark 544 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,640 Randazza doesn't have time for you or you can't afford him or 545 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,400 something. The point is usually it's an 546 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,520 issue. It's a, it's a political case or 547 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,280 free speech case. And they're just so 548 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,720 ideologically shaked and baked there. 549 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,200 I mean, The thing is the 9th Circuit, which was historical, 550 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,000 you know, California, Washington, Oregon, famous for 551 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,200 being the most frequently reversed circuit, has been 552 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,120 reversed a lot less than in previous years, partly because 553 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,120 there are, you can pull some very decent panels in the 9th 554 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,160 Circuit. Trump did put quite a few people 555 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,960 onto the 9th Circuit in his first, in his first go round. 556 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680 So there are some panels that are that are decent. 557 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,880 There's some that are still absolute crud and when they go 558 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160 on bonk, you can't expect much from them. 559 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,000 But the first circuit is consistently bad. 560 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,240 I think probably there were not, not a lot of Republican 561 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,120 appointees there at all. So myself with this. 562 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,160 No, you're fair that that leads me to something my wife grew up 563 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,640 in in your neck of the woods. She grew up in Brooklyn and was 564 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,840 born in Manhattan. And she said something to me 565 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,640 that has stuck with me. She said it to me about a week 566 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,840 and a half ago, and I keep hearing it in my head. 567 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,480 She said there's no such thing as a happy communist. 568 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,560 What do you think about that? Not a truly happy communist. 569 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,680 I mean in other words, you a communist can be happy because 570 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,080 right now he has his boot on the neck of an Estonian that he is 571 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:48,680 absorbed into his empire, right? But as soon as he shoots all the 572 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:55,000 local Estonians and Estonian party leaders and sets up his 573 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,600 own people, he immediately starts assuming that the ones 574 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,800 that he has put into place are plotting against him. 575 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,840 But, but I mean in a more broad sense, which is I think what 576 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,880 your wife was getting at. Yeah, I think she was talking 577 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,600 about Bostonians and New Yorkers and the people that we see in 578 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,760 New England, Connecticut, they just seem miserable. 579 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,080 They are, they really are. They can't be happy. 580 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,920 They there. There's always a problem. 581 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,880 There's always an I'll never forget there was a Woody Allen 582 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:30,840 movie gazillion years ago. My God, when I well over 40 583 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,600 years ago, it might have been Manhattan. 584 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:40,280 And we see in his living room that he has on one of the walls 585 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:49,360 a gigantic blown up mural of that famous picture from the 586 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,480 Vietnam War of the North Vietnamese guy shooting a a Viet 587 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920 Cong prisoner. You know, just like right next, 588 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,840 point blank right next to him. You've seen that picture a 589 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,760 million times. Yeah, sure. 590 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,360 Time life picture type thing. Yeah, and at one point you might 591 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,239 have even been standing in front of in front of that picture, he 592 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,960 says. I can't even I can't go to sleep 593 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360 at night as long as I know someone, something, something in 594 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,560 the world is is some kind of injustice is going. 595 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,520 It was something, something stupid like that. 596 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,639 And, and I was an adolescent when I saw this and, and I 597 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:32,520 wasn't particularly political, but I remember thinking, what is 598 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,800 that? I mean, but who the hell are 599 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,360 you? You what are. 600 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,360 You going to do about it? Right. 601 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:46,040 I mean, in your rent control apartment, you know, it's so 602 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,760 much and it's and what it really is, it's a form of incredible 603 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,639 moral vanity with with as you, as you point out, very, very 604 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,920 little skin in the game. They don't give up their club 605 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,320 memberships. They don't give up. 606 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,160 You know, there are a handful of social justice warriors who have 607 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,640 walked the walk as well as talking the talk. 608 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,600 I always think of Ralph Nader who took these ridiculously low 609 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,120 salaries even though he had created and was the head of 610 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,360 Consumers Union. I think it was, which is a 611 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,080 different kind of bullshit all together. 612 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,360 I mean, I don't think people who people who are heads of, of 613 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,920 nonprofits should be making multi $1,000,000 salaries unless 614 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,240 they can justify return on investment that way. 615 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,920 It might be possible. But this idea that you're going 616 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,120 to, you know, live on ramen noodles in order to prove your. 617 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,720 Yeah. The nobility of poverty kind of 618 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,600 ethos. It's it's, it's all 619 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640 performative. It's performative. 620 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,200 And sometimes it can be performative just to yourself. 621 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,080 But listen, are we being any happier by sitting here and and 622 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,320 catching about? I think we might be. 623 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,480 I'm having a good time. Yeah. 624 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,160 I I knew a gal in college who who I think she had a tattooed 625 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,000 on a on a, a forearm or something and said the vanity 626 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,360 and virtue. And I've always thought that to 627 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,800 be very clever. The vanity in virtue. 628 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,920 Yeah, people who take The Who, who are vain in their virtues 629 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,360 and, and, and they, they sort of carry them around and parade 630 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,600 them. And you know, there's some, 631 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,920 there's some Christian scripture about this, just talking about 632 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,880 the people who go out there and let everybody know that they are 633 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,080 now suffering and that they are, they're fasting or they are 634 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,800 giving alms and they do so and their reward is given in public. 635 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,520 And that is the, the public acknowledges what a great person 636 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,400 you are for doing that thing. But there's but there's no real 637 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,320 value to God, is what the claim is. 638 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,360 Well, so that's actually a controversial issue in Christian 639 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,320 theology. I'm I'm actually 2/3 of the way 640 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,480 through a book by my professor at college, Peter Brown, the 641 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:02,560 the, the esteemed historian of, of medieval and and and 642 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,040 antiquity, Eros of antiquity and, and the medieval periods in 643 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,560 Europe, where he it's called through the eye of a needle. 644 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,560 And he examines the question of how the church in its in its 645 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:25,560 early era metamorphosed its views and how there were 646 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,200 different parties within the church. 647 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,320 Augustine being one but not the not the only voice different 648 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:42,080 ideas within Christianity of how do we deal with wealth and some 649 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:49,240 of what the church taught about wealth echoed its Jewish 650 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,000 origins. And some of it said, no, 651 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,360 actually one of the things that Jesus rebelled against, you 652 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,200 know, the hypocrites and the synagogues, the people who 653 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,360 wanted you to know what they were giving. 654 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,000 And, and by the way, there's conflict in the rabbinical 655 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,240 literature as well, which Jesus would have probably been 656 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,200 familiar with as a rabbinical student. 657 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440 On the one hand, we say that the highest form of charity is 658 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,280 charity that's given secretly as opposed to publicly. 659 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,920 And on the other hand, one of the traditional ways of 660 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,040 lampooning Jewish affluence is the how if you go into a 661 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,160 synagogue or of a Jewish institution, everything has a 662 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,320 plaque on it that says who donated it? 663 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,640 That's right. And I remember when I was hit up 664 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,480 for money by a rabbinical leader, I, I challenged him with 665 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,880 this and he said both are true. Because when, when people see 666 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,200 that their friend Ron Coleman gave the money for this, they 667 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,240 say, oh, if Ron can do it, I can do it. 668 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,480 Or, oh, Ron Ron's endorsing it. That's a guy that I like. 669 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,360 He's making a commitment. So there, you know. 670 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,280 There's a social value to that in in the the social pressure 671 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,440 that it applies for everyone to do well and do better. 672 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,520 And then there's also an argument that it gives glory to 673 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:10,200 God to put your name on the list of people who are giving for his 674 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,960 side. But you know, all right, these 675 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,200 are these are complicated issues. 676 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,720 And who? Who are Ron and Kyle to judge 677 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,040 after all? Just two guys, but I'm more 678 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,120 curious what caused you to read this book about, you know, 679 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,880 Christian theology changing and the handling of wealth in the 680 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,680 early church? That sounds like an interesting 681 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,280 thing. What caused you to go and read 682 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,560 this? Anything Peter Brown writes is 683 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,840 interesting. He was just such a great 684 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:42,560 professor and I, I, I was just looking at I didn't hadn't 685 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,160 realized how long after I graduated, which was 40 years 686 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,120 ago, because I, I actually attended a little sliver of my 687 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:58,320 class reunion a couple weeks ago, how active he had remained 688 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,520 as as a scholar. So I just you know, because he 689 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,920 go in the process of answering this question, he goes through 690 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,640 history of the. Of the Western Roman, of the, 691 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,480 the Western Roman Empire and what's happening in Italy. 692 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,760 And just I happen to, to be an, an aficionado of culture, I 693 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,760 mean, of European history as I'm particularly interested in the 694 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:27,400 period that he teaches about. So, you know, that's just, I'm a 695 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,520 man of many parts, some of which are not suitable for public 696 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,440 display, but that's one of them. I'm an intellectual. 697 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,160 I can't sleep at night if I know there's an unanswered device. 698 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,080 That's exactly it, the hubris to think that your awareness of 699 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,040 injustice somehow changes the way the scales work. 700 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,000 I love it. It is a it is a thing. 701 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,080 Listen, my, my father-in-law is, is from your neck of the woods 702 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,480 as well and was born in Manhattan. 703 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,760 And I remember him saying something one time that was one 704 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,040 of the funniest thing. I'd never, I'd never 705 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,600 contemplated the thought. You know, someone's like 706 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,960 introduced. You're like, there's people out 707 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960 there that think that way. I've just met one. 708 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,640 I cannot now not know that we were driving in a car. 709 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,840 He looked over and saw a black man walking on the streets of 710 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,760 Brooklyn. And that's the all the 711 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,680 information I have about this guy. 712 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,200 I don't remember what he was wearing, but it wasn't 713 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,560 remarkable. Wait. 714 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,000 Wait wait, before you go any further, do you know about what 715 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,000 decade this took place during? Oh yeah, yeah, sure. 716 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:33,440 This was in in the 2002 thousand 10:00-ish to 2012, 2015 717 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,080 something like that. Somewhere in that range. 718 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,280 Yeah. So somewhere in the 20 tens and 719 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,400 and we were on what is the Nets stadium on? 720 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,560 Are there their things on Is that Atlantic? 721 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,360 Yeah, am I? It might be. 722 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600 It's very close to Flatbush Ave. OK. 723 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,720 I think it was on Flatbush, if my memory serves it, we were 724 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,280 like on Flatbush because which is not too far from where she 725 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,120 was. She was in that area, Boerum 726 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,640 Hill or Park Slope or whatever. So we're driving in a car and he 727 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,200 looks over and sees a black man. No further information about 728 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,400 this man, nothing remarkable. And we were having some sort of 729 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,240 discussion about opportunity in America because that's what 730 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,000 communists like to talk about and injustice. 731 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,880 And he looked over at a guy that we knew nothing about, nothing 732 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,200 whatsoever. And he said, look at that man, 733 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960 there's no opportunity for him here in this country. 734 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,280 I thought, what? How do you know what, what would 735 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960 cause you to think this thing, this, this strange thought? 736 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,120 I'd never once considered whether or not there was 737 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,480 opportunity for a stranger that I saw in America. 738 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:43,480 It never even occurred to me. And this was within sight of the 739 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,800 Nets. Yeah. 740 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,360 OK, where? Where? 741 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,840 Walking distance for sure. Yeah, sure. 742 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,680 Like a relatively reasonable New York walk to. 743 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,880 It a building in which you can find dozens of black men who are 744 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,920 multi gazillionaires. Yes. 745 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,600 I also assure you that there are black property owners and black 746 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,880 men who are doing developing in that area. 747 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,160 There's no question in my mind that there are construction 748 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,560 contracts that are being executed by by black-owned 749 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,600 companies, that there are law firms run by black attorneys 750 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,360 within that area. There's probably some record 751 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,160 labels, there's probably some shops and businesses of all 752 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,160 different varieties within walking distance of that man who 753 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,560 by the look of him had no opportunity in America in other. 754 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,720 Words. So the guy. 755 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120 In other words, the guy. The guy was down and out. 756 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,120 No, he was just a guy. He was wearing normal people 757 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,160 clothes. He didn't look like a homeless 758 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,000 person. He was unremarkable. 759 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,400 He was a person. He was a pedestrian in New York. 760 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,520 So your father-in-law is like he's an old line lefty? 761 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,600 Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah, I think so. 762 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,040 I think that at one point in time, he told me that he didn't 763 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,240 think that people should be able to own private property and it 764 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,960 certainly shouldn't pass from one person to another, things 765 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,280 like that. Now you can imagine what he made 766 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,760 his real his, his living doing, right? 767 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,320 I mean, that's pretty obvious. He was a real estate agent. 768 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,160 An envious real estate agent. I, I just don't know, Like I, 769 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,400 like I said, my my wife is very well educated in certain things 770 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560 that I have no experience with. And when she told me that 771 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,760 there's no such thing as a happy communist, it really it really 772 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,400 stuck with me. Well, she I have the impression 773 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,960 then that she saw quite a few of them in close and up close and 774 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,640 personal in her time. Kind of kind of the experience 775 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,320 maybe that you have obviously different generation, but she 776 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,920 grew up in that area and we talked about it previously. 777 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,720 And I'll recommend people go back and listen to the first 778 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,600 time we sat in chat where you kind of told me how you came up. 779 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,600 But yeah, she went from being a person who was very strong on 780 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,320 the left and very much in the culture of the the world that 781 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,440 you have to tread around in. And she's a pretty conservative 782 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,840 person now. And she wears a veil on her hair 783 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,040 when she goes to to Mass. And if we could find a Latin 784 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,560 Mass, we'd go to it. And she converted out of out of 785 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,920 nowhere. I didn't know that was a thing 786 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,440 because, I mean, I knew it was a thing conceptually. 787 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,200 People don't understand that Muslims and Jewish women who 788 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,080 cover their hair are not unique in this regard. 789 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:18,240 The in In the In the old world, any married woman would cover 790 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,120 her hair as a matter of modesty. Modesty, exactly. 791 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120 Yeah, No, it's, it's actually getting more and more common, I 792 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,160 think in young Catholics as well. 793 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,160 And let me ask you guys, how do you dress when you go to Mass? 794 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,640 I dress appropriate for the area. 795 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,160 So I, we go, we live out in a, we're right on the edge of, of 796 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,080 farm country and, and some kind of like Texas, Central Texas 797 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,920 Hill Country type stuff. So people show up. 798 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,480 If you came in a suit and tie you would look weird. 799 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,280 I would look like I'm trying to do something that other people 800 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,200 do not. Yeah. 801 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,400 So I wear, I wear slacks or jeans, usually dark colored 802 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,200 jeans. I wear shoes that are clean. 803 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,760 I wear a button down shirt. I also carry a gun to church. 804 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,880 I just feel like that's my duty just as my capability. 805 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,680 So I'm, I kind of have an eye on that. 806 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040 And, you know, I also have kids that drool on me because my 807 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,120 little ones are small. So we're doing that. 808 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,000 But yeah, I I don't dress in a dark suit, but if I was in a 809 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,480 place where that was not pretentious, I wouldn't think 810 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,560 twice about it. Do you remember when you were a 811 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,440 child how people dressed for church? 812 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,000 Yes, but I also spent time in Texas and California, which are 813 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,320 kind of. Always ahead of the curve on. 814 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,160 A lot of things, yeah, I think so too. 815 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,600 So my father often wore slacks, polo shirt, you know, maybe a 816 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,520 button down shirt, but not, not often a tie unless it was an 817 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,000 event. So we were outside of the maybe 818 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,880 the more traditional, more more conservative, modest thing. 819 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,920 And and some of that is spinning back in this country. 820 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,760 I think there's a backlash against modernism in a lot of 821 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,040 places. Well, you know, to a large, you 822 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,320 know, I'm a little bit of a it's like one of my secret bugaboos. 823 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,240 You'll notice I'm, I'm usually wearing a button down shirt and 824 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,120 frequently most of the time I'm wearing a jacket when I do an 825 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,120 appearance. And part of that is because I'm 826 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,320 trying to project it. If I, you know, if I'm going to 827 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,840 rationalize to Mrs. Coleman, why do I spend so much time on 828 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,640 people's podcasts? And I say, well, you know, I'm 829 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,280 every minute I'm on there, I'm selling my legal, my lawyer, my 830 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,360 lawyer ring. So I should look a little bit 831 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,320 about like people think a lawyer should look alike. 832 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,640 But you know, in our Orthodox Jewish community in hours, not 833 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,800 in all of them, yes, dressed down culture is not a thing or 834 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,600 it's only a thing among certain guys. 835 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,280 I mean, my, my sons are not like on a Sunday, my sons and I were 836 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,200 all wearing white shirts and dark suits or they're not ties 837 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,160 necessarily. Usually not. 838 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,280 And, and on the Sabbath and holidays when we go to 839 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,560 synagogue, we're wearing suits and ties and hats. 840 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,360 And I recognize but but that's a statement in and of itself. 841 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,440 You know, I remember that was one thing that struck me about 842 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:09,680 the the Black Muslims, the Nation of Islam is they they you 843 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,600 know, they teach their guys. Why not look like $1,000,000? 844 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,360 We're going to rebuild yourself respect. 845 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,280 And a good way to do that would be for us to to you look great. 846 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,760 And here's the thing, everyone looks better dressed nicely. 847 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,640 Every true. And the irony is it's never been 848 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,680 less expensive to dress nicely. You know, 100 years ago, even 50 849 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,880 years ago, garments, textiles were things that people made and 850 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,080 they were expensive. And you would you'd recycle 851 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,760 clothing and you'd do hand me downs. 852 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,840 Today's young people don't want hand me downs from their parents 853 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:56,440 that they would say like nothing is cheaper than a shmata. 854 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,960 Nothing is cheaper than a garment. 855 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,080 They're all made by Third World people. 856 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,320 It's it, it is garbage. It's really everything's good. 857 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,800 So you it's. Disposable too. 858 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080 It's not like you're going to hem it, repair it, or patch it. 859 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,600 And. Make it but but you can't, you 860 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,040 could go to target and get a suit. 861 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,560 It might not last you five years, but you could look if you 862 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,600 had to, you could look like $1,000,000 at least for, you 863 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,040 know, for six months to a year in that suit And and then I so 864 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,320 it's not even a class statement. It's not like, oh, that's what 865 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,440 fancy people look like, but I can't afford that. 866 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640 That's it. It's within our reach. 867 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:36,360 But but the call of laziness and slovenliness, the siren song, 868 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:42,920 it's just so it's just so prevalent that there doesn't 869 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,360 seem to be any, any way to, to to unless you're an incredibly 870 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,680 influential opinion and thought leader like Ron Coleman. 871 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,480 And everyone says, hey, he always looks. 872 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,400 How does Ron Coleman always look Great for an old guy? 873 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,640 It's, it's not an accident is what you're saying It's. 874 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920 Not it's not an accident. But you know, I used to. 875 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,800 Like to shop. I don't get to shop anymore 876 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,680 because I I don't. You used to like to shop. 877 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,760 Hold on, let's just let's just explore that for a second. 878 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,720 You used to like to shop. Yeah, because I like clothes. 879 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:15,920 I do like to look. I like to choose my clothes. 880 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:24,160 I like to be in in style and I would love to have a reason to 881 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,120 buy myself, especially if I have a good month, right? 882 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,000 I got a few extra bucks sitting around. 883 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,280 I maybe would like to buy myself a a a nice suit. 884 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,720 Who's appreciating a nice suit anymore? 885 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,520 Yeah, maybe that's the other piece of it too. 886 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,760 People, people don't care as much. 887 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,200 I, I see the same thing in my old profession, that there was 888 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,360 a, a departure from people showing up in a suit and a tie. 889 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,840 That was the expectation when I was in Washington, DC. 890 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,640 If you were going to go do an interview, particularly in a 891 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,440 very professional sort of job like I used to have, when you 892 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,000 were doing counterintelligence investigations, you were dealing 893 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,520 with counterintelligence type people. 894 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,360 And these are government employees and and folks who have 895 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,160 money and influence. Well, that's interesting because 896 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,440 even now I noticed that Washington is one of the few 897 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,320 cities you can go to where you will still see people dressed as 898 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,640 adults on the street, walking the streets because in most 899 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,560 government jobs use. But evidently you still have to, 900 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,640 you know, put on your your, your work talks. 901 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,680 Yeah, you're grown up close. Listen, that was the the only 902 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,200 money I spent when I was at the FBI Academy was on some new 903 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,160 shirts from Brooke Brothers. I bought 5 new dress shirts. 904 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,800 It's the only money I spent when I was there for five months. 905 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,760 I paid off my wife's student loan debts, you know, we paid 906 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,080 them off and. Imagine. 907 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,400 And, and yeah, go figure that and, and I responsibly bought 908 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,680 myself some some dress shirts, which I still own today because 909 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,200 they were so well made that you can still wear them. 910 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,640 It turns out I have this buy once cry once mentality. 911 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,680 If you buy nicer things occasionally, as long as you buy 912 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,560 them for quality and not for your name, they actually do 913 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,520 last. You want to hear something 914 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,240 funny? That's kind of a it's bothering 915 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:01,200 me right now since we're talking about clothing and I didn't know 916 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,640 we were going to talk about this. 917 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:09,160 I have the tuxedo Ron that I wore to my junior prom in 1990. 918 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,040 8 And you, you son of a bitch, can probably fit into it. 919 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,800 I. Can fit into it, but the style 920 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,640 is not right and my wife has let me know. 921 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,320 In fact, I probably look better in it today if we're being 922 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:20,920 honest. Because. 923 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:25,080 Because 1998 Kyle was 125 lbs. Yeah, I was about to you must 924 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,600 have been a string bit and. Today Kyle is about 175 lbs. 925 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,320 So there's £50 more Kyle. And, you know, it's mostly in 926 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,120 places where you expect men to develop and like leg muscles and 927 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,440 arms and, and, you know, just chest and just being a bigger 928 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,040 person. That is wild. 929 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,880 I'm the same height though as I have been since I was in 8th 930 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,520 grade. So you hit it and you got there 931 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,360 fast and then. You I didn't get there fast 932 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,520 either. I was not tall then, even for 933 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,720 the age, and then I just continued to be not tall for the 934 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:52,280 rest of my life. Well, how tall are you? 935 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,720 5/8. Oh yeah, you're a little shrimp, 936 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:56,800 aren't you? That's it. 937 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,000 Says says no one to me, generally to my face, but online 938 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,840 that is a, that is a classic. It's like, listen, I've been 939 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,120 this. I've been this way for a long 940 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,160 time. I'm more of a Jesse Kelly fan. 941 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,960 He's tall. He's he's. 942 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,600 I mean, I've seen him standing next to some pictures of some 943 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:19,800 tiny little women and he looks like the Jolly Green Giant. 944 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,840 Yeah, he's freakishly tall. So is Sebastian Gorka. 945 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,480 He's big, you know. Well, Sean Parnell's big. 946 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,720 There's a couple of them. Yeah, I mean, a lot of these 947 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,240 people, you meet them in person and I just, I've so when I was a 948 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,640 kid, I would go to these, you know, family, family weddings 949 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,120 and whatnot, bar mitzvahs and my grandparents generation was 950 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,440 still alive and they were, they all grew up in Eastern Europe 951 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,800 and were all suffered from malnutrition as children. 952 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:55,480 So they were all 5152. So I would go, I'm a, you know, 953 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:01,920 I'm a 5 foot 1014 year old and I just the sea of bald heads, you 954 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,800 know, at sternum level. And then I got some to college 955 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,160 and there are all these corn fed gentiles there and all of a 956 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,640 sudden I'm the guy sneaking under people's armpits to look 957 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,000 at the grades that are posted. And I said, but you know, 958 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,520 perspective is is a heck. Of a thing it is. 959 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,720 It's important. It could be important. 960 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,240 All right, let's, let's, let's meander our way back towards 961 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,040 this First Amendment thing, which I think is relevant in so 962 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,880 much as our country. It sounds like we, I don't want 963 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,080 to put words in your mouth, but I feel like we need to have 964 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,480 healthy dissent, including allowing people to say some 965 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,520 really, really ugly things, which we started off talking 966 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,080 about. But there's obviously a line. 967 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,440 Some people don't know where that line is, just like they 968 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,200 don't know how to dress. They seem not to know where the 969 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,880 line is. And they are executing it all 970 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,240 over this country. Go ahead. 971 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,800 So let's let's examine what you just said we should have. 972 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,320 Who's we, we in, in the Americans, Americans in America, 973 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,560 in the free air, in the park, on the on the soapbox. 974 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,160 Now, how about on your social media platform? 975 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,760 You say same thing, Ron, to which I say, hold on a second. 976 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:24,080 If some guy is shouting expletives or hateful things or 977 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:29,480 insulting things on a soapbox in Hyde Park or military park 978 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,400 outside my building here, I don't have to hang around and 979 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,480 listen to him. I can go somewhere else. 980 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,360 But if I'm on Twitter and every time I make a a comment about 981 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:55,080 Israel, I get flooded with replies from people wishing I 982 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,960 had been killed in the Holocaust, people making fun of 983 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,800 the size of my nose, people asking me what was my original, 984 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,520 my last name originally, which I don't know what it was, in other 985 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,680 words, but really I'm not just. So then you say, well, Ron, but 986 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,560 you can block them, right? The answer is no, I really 987 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,080 can't. I can block what I can block, 988 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,680 but there's an infinite number of them. 989 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:23,480 So what you've done is, is you've, and this is what clearly 990 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,360 what I, I think all things considered, the free speech 991 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:35,640 changes that Elon Musk made on X are get an 8 out of 10 immensely 992 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,040 better because people are not being banned for being 993 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,200 conservatives or for even being hateful. 994 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:52,920 But what is clear is that it is you can absolutely destroy the 995 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,360 ability of people to have the kind of experience on the 996 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,480 platform that the platform wants its users to have. 997 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:11,480 Now where how to tune that is definitely the choice of the 998 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,600 owner of the platform. No one. 999 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,840 There's no serious not only there's no serious argument to 1000 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,200 the contrary, there are people who take the position that this 1001 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,040 is really a public forum in the year 2025 and we and issued 1002 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,400 under under constitutional law be treated as a as a public 1003 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,840 forum. I don't think that's ever going 1004 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,920 to carry the day. It could, but maybe it will. 1005 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:42,520 But but I do think that a person can say as I have to well, two 1006 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:48,120 things. 1 is I think Twitter is allowing the experience of being 1007 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,000 or X is allowing the experience of being an A prominent X user 1008 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,080 like Ron Coleman. You know, I get my way to a 1009 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,880 large extent on X. I don't get much of A monetary 1010 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,640 payout because I'm just, I'm not doing it right. 1011 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,160 I don't have big enough. I don't have big enough breasts. 1012 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,920 I don't know what it is. I think it's principal if you 1013 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,720 operate on principal, OK, if you're not going to chase 1014 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,120 whatever the dragon is that allows. 1015 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,240 You to I've never been If I were any good at that, I would be 1016 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,080 retired by now. That's. 1017 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,120 What I heard about you. All right. 1018 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,760 So I don't really have any major complaints, but there's no 1019 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:33,880 question that they have allowed a level of anti-Semitism infect 1020 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,840 the experience on Twitter in a way that not only degrades my 1021 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:46,680 experience, but is absolutely societally damaging. 1022 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,400 It is hurting us because this goes back to our original 1023 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,120 discussion, yeah. Flesh that out a little bit. 1024 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,640 We're hearing more from more creeps, and it may not be more 1025 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,480 creeps. It could be 10 people with 1026 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,560 server farms or or with bot farms. 1027 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,920 OK, but the effect is because our brains are treating these 1028 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,800 messages, it's impossible for us, not at least viscerally, to 1029 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:18,360 treat each reply as it's got a face attached to it. 1030 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,200 Or a dog. Usually a dog, but usually. 1031 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,160 A dog? Yeah, a lot of cartoons or dogs. 1032 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,640 But it's got it seems to be a person and it seems to be 1033 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,880 speaking for a person. And and what we learned actually 1034 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:34,520 a few months ago was that there was a very large operation that 1035 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:42,200 was paid for by was it act blue or was it the guys are shut 1036 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:47,080 down. Media matters to swarm to swarm 1037 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,680 social media and especially Twitter with bots to move the 1038 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,440 Overton window on a lot of to give people a different 1039 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,360 impression of what everybody says and everybody believes. 1040 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,040 That's societally. So right. 1041 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,440 Bot issue is related, but not the same. 1042 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,720 But what we have seen on X is a normalization of hey, so that 1043 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,120 people like Jake Shields and this guy Christensen, who's the 1044 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,320 hot thing now? Like who's Jake Shields? 1045 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,520 Just so people understand. He's a guy, I don't really know 1046 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,520 who he is, I just he's a he's a prominent anti semite on X. 1047 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,880 He's an MMA fighter, is he not? Isn't that? 1048 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,480 He wasn't, I think he was a mediocre MMA fighter and and 1049 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,920 also like, well, Dan Bilzeria, a guy who was famous for nothing. 1050 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,840 I thought he was famous for being rich, wasn't he? 1051 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,560 Famous for being the son of a rich person who used who, who, 1052 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:45,320 who who who who is used by his father as a way to launder part 1053 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,800 of his stolen money perfect and bilzerian lost almost all the 1054 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,280 money. So what these failures in life 1055 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,280 frequently do Stu Peters is they turn to anti-Semitism because 1056 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,000 it's a way to get lots of followers. 1057 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,600 Now we don't know where these again, we don't know where these 1058 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,320 followers really are from. How many of them are Americans? 1059 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,440 How many of them are Pakistanis and then we don't really know. 1060 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:15,120 Nonetheless, again, as human beings operating in a simulated 1061 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,920 community, we're we think there's all this hatred out 1062 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,760 there, and we also think that what what that the line for what 1063 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:31,600 has for what passes as normal discourse and accepted 1064 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,160 statements has moved so that even my friend Jack Posobik do. 1065 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,000 You know him in real life. I know him in real life. 1066 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,560 We have each other cell numbers, we've met several times. 1067 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,880 You've had lunch together. That's how much it homeown real. 1068 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,880 Yeah, no, but. I never I think it's couch. 1069 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,040 OK, but it's relevant, you know, people will. 1070 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,600 I have had people say, you know, Kyle Serafin is my friend and I 1071 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,200 go, oh, we've never really met. That's a weird thing to have. 1072 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,000 Well, you know, you and I have never met, but I do feel like 1073 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,280 we're friends. I would agree. 1074 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,120 Yeah, I would. I would say that, but I wouldn't 1075 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,280 say. To everybody that I talked, 1076 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,560 multiple hour long conversations, right? 1077 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,320 And we've also communicated many times personally in DMS making 1078 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,760 fun of all the other dumb people who are not as great as us. 1079 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,240 That's correct. No, but Jack is a friend and we 1080 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,960 do talk. And yet yesterday he saw fit to 1081 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,280 tweet. I'm going to still call it 1082 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,400 tweeting to tweet. Today's the, I don't know, 86th, 1083 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,720 not the 56th anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty. 1084 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,560 The fuck, Jack, What, what are you accomplishing with that? 1085 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,960 What? Why is that necessary? 1086 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,640 I'm I'm, I'm not happy with that and. 1087 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,080 Not with. There's no context to it. 1088 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,520 It's just. It's just the. 1089 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,600 The you don't need the context. No, not on the Internet. 1090 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,080 I agree with you. But it wasn't saying like 1091 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,120 historically this is relevant because of this thing. 1092 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,240 And I want people to be aware that this was a great, you know, 1093 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:52,960 information OP, this was a thing that happened. 1094 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,440 No, you just said. This out of context and there's, 1095 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,960 you know, look, many people believe that Jack is an anti 1096 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:06,600 Semite. I am not that concerned about 1097 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,240 whether someone is an anti Semite because it's really none 1098 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:15,000 of my business if someone treats me decently and doesn't do any 1099 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000 harm to other people. I don't really care what his 1100 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,720 internal views are about me or groups or I really because if 1101 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,200 you knew as many Jews as I do you'd be an anti Semite also. 1102 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,880 No, it might be the line of the day. 1103 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:34,720 Especially my family so and I did a whole thread on that. 1104 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,480 I don't, I don't care. Just be a civil and I think 1105 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,320 Jack's a Great American, but. I would agree with you because 1106 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,400 listen for whatever happens online and for some reason you 1107 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,640 and I spend way too much time there. 1108 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,440 So it becomes a, it is. It's interesting. 1109 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,800 I rarely talk about it with people outside of my wife and 1110 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,240 maybe with you. So we have this sort of this, 1111 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,680 this weird experience of it and why, why No, it's not real, 1112 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,160 although it it does absolutely feel real when you feel like 1113 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,120 quote UN quote attacked or people say nasty things about 1114 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,960 you. As you said, our brain is not 1115 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,760 able to interpret that. That's probably a phone that is 1116 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,560 sitting on a Bank of wall phones that some a hole who barely 1117 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,920 speaks English is out there tapping away on and saying awful 1118 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,440 things. And that may very well be true 1119 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,640 behind the picture of a cat or a dog or a cartoon character or a 1120 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,240 Batman symbol or whatever it is. And you go like, yeah, 1121 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,160 intellectually I know that. But emotionally, it feels like 1122 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,240 some awful human beings out there saying the worst thing 1123 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,560 about me all the time. And I hate it. 1124 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,560 But I also know that nobody does that to my face. 1125 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,760 And I don't think they often will do it to your face, which 1126 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,840 makes me know that there is a big difference between the real 1127 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,200 world. I, I actually had this 1128 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,440 conversation with Sean Ryan right when things were getting 1129 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,560 crazy at the beginning of the year. 1130 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,160 There was a Tesla that blew up at front of Trump Tower and some 1131 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,560 other things. And, and, and Sean reached out 1132 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:49,960 to me and he's obviously very prominent. 1133 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,160 He gets a lot of hate and love and all the things you get when 1134 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,680 you're online and prominent. He's got a bigger profile than 1135 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,160 either one of us. And he called me for advice, 1136 01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,800 which was really interesting because we've never spoken 1137 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,480 before. So I think I like it when people 1138 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,120 that I don't know call me up and ask me what I think about 1139 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,200 something and I don't know what the answer is before they 1140 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,040 answer. Like he goes, you know, is the 1141 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,200 FBI going to come after me? And I go, I don't think so. 1142 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,960 No, based on I know about the FBI. 1143 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,440 So I'll give you that opinion. And then he said, he asked me a 1144 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,360 couple of the questions and he just said, I'm really, really 1145 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,000 concerned. And I said, Sean, not knowing 1146 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,920 him at all, never having met the guy just on the phone and 1147 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,800 watching his podcast, I said, right now you're in the retard 1148 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,360 vortex and there's there's no other way to explain it. 1149 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,720 That's what we're in right now. And I'm going to remind you that 1150 01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,480 anytime you want, you can put your phone in a Faraday bag and 1151 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:38,760 you can walk out and hug your kid. 1152 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,080 And I would recommend you do that for this weekend because 1153 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,480 there's nothing for you here except just swirling, you know, 1154 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,880 retards. There's mean, ugly sentiment 1155 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,640 everywhere. Unlimited amounts of it, as you 1156 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,440 mentioned. So just get out of the pool for 1157 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,880 a little while. You can step back in tomorrow. 1158 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,760 You can step back in on Monday, whatever, but just take some 1159 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,160 time. And you did to his credit, and I 1160 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,560 think all of us should probably remember that too, but it 1161 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,600 doesn't make it feel like there's not people that are 1162 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,080 awful. I'll come down and look beaten 1163 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,560 and my wife just looks at me and goes like, are you OK? 1164 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,360 And I go, yeah, I'm just surrounded by really awful 1165 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,200 people. And you're right, it takes away 1166 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,400 from the experience. But not only the experience. 1167 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,040 I mean, look, look at the college campuses and look what's 1168 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,480 happening in Los Angeles. Right. 1169 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,400 It's more real for them. They they don't have a real life 1170 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:22,800 they can walk into the way you and I do. 1171 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,880 I don't think. I think their real life and 1172 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,960 their online life are blended and they are one. 1173 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,000 And this is a real change that's taken place in our lives during 1174 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,560 the time that you and I have been, you know, adults. 1175 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,440 And we've had to adjust to it. And you have adjusted to it 1176 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,480 phenomenally well because we have lots of people who like to 1177 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,840 hear what we have to say. And that gives you, everyone 1178 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,320 wants to be heard. So people like you and I really 1179 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,680 want to be heard, get able to get people to listen to us. 1180 01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,000 And it's great. But you know, many have observed 1181 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,680 as well. But on the other hand, there is, 1182 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,040 it's a little bit like the old saw about 8 million, New York 1183 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,640 City being the city of 8 million lonely people and everyone's on 1184 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,840 the Internet at the same time. We're more alienated from each 1185 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,120 other and in many respects isolated then, you know, we were 1186 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,920 when we mostly just knew the people that we knew. 1187 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,880 Who knows? There, there has to be some kind 1188 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,480 of a swing. One of my friends is not college 1189 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,040 educated and yet one of the brightest people as often as the 1190 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,760 case, and he referred to our time right now as a digital dark 1191 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,720 age where we have technologies. Unlike the dark age where people 1192 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,080 had technologies from a previous civilization and didn't know 1193 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,680 what to do with them or didn't know how to repair them, we now 1194 01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,840 have technologies from our future civilization and we 1195 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,240 haven't figured out how to use them yet. 1196 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,280 I feel like, And I think he might be right. 1197 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,280 He might be right, but I will tell you the last couple of days 1198 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:55,640 I've seen a number of posts, pushback posts regarding AI from 1199 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,040 people in a position to know people who are highly 1200 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,720 intelligent and highly knowledgeable, saying we're 1201 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,720 really being fed a bill of goods about AI. 1202 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,440 It will never truly be what we recognize as human intelligence, 1203 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:16,439 much less exceeded because it's just, it's just modelling, it's 1204 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,880 just simulation. It can't it, it lacks 1205 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,319 consciousness, it lacks true creativity. 1206 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,319 And even there's data, this data I think was particularly related 1207 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:31,200 to the work of an AI being done by Apple, which is not a leader, 1208 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:38,720 but that they have found that the bigger the problems get, the 1209 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:45,160 worse AI gets at being accurate about results and the more 1210 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,479 confused it gets because I think because the model doesn't scale. 1211 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,520 It doesn't have to weigh the value of certain sources the way 1212 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,479 that a human being would. I have to imagine that's true 1213 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,800 because I've I've. I mean, go query about yourself 1214 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,000 and find out all the interesting things that AI believes about 1215 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,240 you. First of all, Grok is absolutely 1216 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,840 determined that I'm an African American. 1217 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,359 Well, we cannot disprove that. I've seen an African American 1218 01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,040 Ron Coleman. There is, in fact, a dark 1219 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,680 skinned Ron Coleman. There is, well, I think there 1220 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,040 may be more dark skinned Ron Coleman's than there are light 1221 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,720 skinned Ron Coleman's. But when I say the Grok, I'm Ron 1222 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:27,000 Coleman at Ron Coleman. Make a picture of the lawyer Ron 1223 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,120 Coleman with the account Ron Coleman OK in a sailor suit. 1224 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,680 Yes. Grok can't figure out that I 1225 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,120 mean me me me yes, it just it just. 1226 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,080 I love that though I got a lot of black Kyle Seraphin's for a 1227 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,200 while too because the most prominent Seraphin. 1228 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,359 In the dark, I told you. The most prominent Seraphin was 1229 01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,040 Kevin Seraphin, who incidentally, I believe played 1230 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,120 for the Nets. So. 1231 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,040 So that was the. Fact was, that's the guy your 1232 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,520 father-in-law saw. That's. 1233 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,280 What my father-in-law saw, thought had no opportunity in 1234 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,960 America. And now, now the AI bots want to 1235 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,600 just draw my picture as that man, which is he had an 1236 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,840 opportunity. His opportunity. 1237 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,400 Yeah. His opportunity was to be my 1238 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,880 doppelganger. He just didn't realize it. 1239 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,440 Well, I think we've exhausted nothing. 1240 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:17,960 These subjects are not exhausted. 1241 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,920 These are hard. They never go anywhere. 1242 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:25,880 What what, What do you make of people taking it Seemed like we 1243 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,320 were able to have some pretty healthy debate in my lifetime 1244 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,840 and I didn't see very much political rioting and I saw a 1245 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,360 riot that happened in 92 with Rodney King. 1246 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,760 And I think that was very telling as as a young person I 1247 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,840 saw that. But I haven't really seen wide 1248 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,520 scale rioting right up until 2020. 1249 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,920 That was maybe the the next time that I saw that. 1250 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,640 What do you make of that happening now as a guy who kind 1251 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,760 of does advocating on behalf of speech because. 1252 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,040 This has nothing to do with speech. 1253 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,960 Clearly not, but it is. It is an outlet that people are 1254 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,680 trying to express something. Would you agree or do you not 1255 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:06,720 even think that? I think that it is predominantly 1256 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:15,880 a performance designed to simulate the expression of 1257 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:24,040 opinion, just like those Act Blue or Media Matters bot farms. 1258 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:32,080 It is very clear there is a lot of evidence, not only indirect 1259 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:37,040 evidence, but direct evidence that both the 2020 riots and the 1260 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:45,680 riots in LA now have been coordinated and funded by groups 1261 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:50,640 and entities with an interest in harming American Society. 1262 01:11:52,680 --> 01:12:00,160 And they use, just as they use the free speech regime of 1263 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,040 Twitter, they use the free speech regime of American, the 1264 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:11,880 American tradition of legal St. demonstrations to SIM to, to 1265 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,520 shield themselves from the effects of their violence. 1266 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:22,560 So that you have an entire political party that will and an 1267 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:30,160 entire media in a cadre that will look you right in the eye 1268 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:36,800 in front of a row of burning buildings and say this is a 1269 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:43,600 mostly peaceful demonstration. And say, Trump, don't, don't 1270 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,800 send your military help here. We've got we've got the LAPD 1271 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,800 handling everything while at the same time people are throwing 1272 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,840 cinder blocks on top of LAPD cars and that cops are 1273 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,080 scrambling underneath the underpasses, right? 1274 01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,960 That has nothing to do with speech, nothing. 1275 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:07,920 But because the Democrats have made these political and 1276 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,240 symbolic choices so that anything that can possibly be 1277 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,760 construed and, and, and they know that we know that they're 1278 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:19,600 lying, that we know that it's not an expression, much less a 1279 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:25,240 sincere and authentic expression of opinion, but that it's rather 1280 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:34,040 a show that's it's got. No, the answer is it has nothing 1281 01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,000 to do with free speech whatsoever. 1282 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,400 It is, and in fact it is so corrosive to free speech because 1283 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,920 of the way it abuses it and leverages it against the values 1284 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:51,640 of the various society that free speech is meant to encourage. 1285 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:57,960 That unless and until we have a political class that is prepared 1286 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:04,920 to acknowledge these truths, we are in for very, very rocky 1287 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,560 times ahead. Well, I do like that you drew 1288 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,280 the parallel between the online bot farms and the the in real 1289 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,920 life bot farms, which are these people that are that are, 1290 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,680 they're seeding this thing they used to call astroturfing, but 1291 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,040 they would use it for different types of things. 1292 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,120 But this is an astroturf. In other words, it is not 1293 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,000 grassroots. It is fake grass and it's 1294 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,760 made-up grass. And so they're, like you said, 1295 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,320 they're using the vestiges of free speech to simulate speech, 1296 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,880 but it's obviously not speech and it's more performative. 1297 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,080 How how sad for us. I did hear the fiery but mostly 1298 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,720 peaceful line of this year's version. 1299 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,880 I already heard it was on ABC7 and the statement was the law 1300 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,120 enforcement must be very cautious when they go to engage 1301 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,560 with people because they don't want to upset the balance. 1302 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,600 It might just be that there are people who enjoy surrounding 1303 01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,200 burning cars and you don't want to upset them by coming in too 1304 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,400 heavy handedly. And he said it a little bit more 1305 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,320 eloquently or maybe a little bit shorter to the point. 1306 01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,320 But the effect, the effect was some people just burn cars for 1307 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,760 fun, Ron. And you really don't want to 1308 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,120 upset those people in America, now do you? 1309 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,400 No, that's where we are. I mean just so many things are 1310 01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:18,600 are so out of whack. What a wild statement from a 1311 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,640 from a newscaster. But but you know, Kyle, as you 1312 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,600 pointed out, you go home for the weekend in my clay. 1313 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:29,320 In my case, you would at least have one day of Sabbath rest 1314 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,960 where you turn it all off and you're dealing entirely with 1315 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:38,120 real people and the Lord. And you, you, you and your 1316 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,720 family just might get through it. 1317 01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,560 If you will touch grasses, they say. 1318 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,680 And it's never been more important because there is so 1319 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:53,560 much else going out there that is so determined to get you off 1320 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,200 track. So keep doing what you're doing. 1321 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,080 We're going to keep doing that. As a last thought, do you think 1322 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,960 a solution to some of this ridiculousness is dressing like 1323 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,480 a grown up? Yeah, I do. 1324 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,080 I think a lot of the things that we see people do they they 1325 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,240 wouldn't dream of doing either because they would feel silly, 1326 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:23,640 because they would recognize that they're they're acting out 1327 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:28,720 of, out of out of place. But also they the the, the good 1328 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,920 self regard that comes, the healthy self regard that comes 1329 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:39,040 from looking like a Mensch. And dressing like a Mensch is 1330 01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,360 contagious to your entire psyche. 1331 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,960 I do ACT differently when I'm wearing a suit I feel like. 1332 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,160 Think about it. There's something to that. 1333 01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,120 And maybe that's maybe that's the lesson that these I know 1334 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,280 that other people also act like they are at a slumber party on 1335 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,320 an airplane when they show up in their pajamas. 1336 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:05,080 It is just unbelievable how people go around now and even in 1337 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,880 over the last 20 years. I mean, you know, we can't 1338 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,240 compare things with the 1950s. That's just ridiculous. 1339 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,800 But even in the last 20 years, I mean, I used to go onto a plane 1340 01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,720 and there would be a few business people on there dressed 1341 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,120 for business. And now it's just like riding 1342 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,720 the subway, you know? But not the subway at any hour 1343 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,800 of the day. The subway at at 2:00 AM when 1344 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,400 the bars have let out. With the people who live on that 1345 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:33,840 subway. Yes, with people who are 1346 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,080 actually inhabitants and you are a visitor in their home, in 1347 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,280 their in the atrium that is their home. 1348 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,520 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't want to put too much on it. 1349 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,360 But but, but, but I will tell you that if you if you could 1350 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:51,680 change one seemingly, you know, 11 seemingly isolated thing 1351 01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,200 about our society without making anyone, without imprisoning 1352 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,680 anyone or executing anyone, but just that everyone's going to 1353 01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,680 have to dress as if it was they were going to a job interview in 1354 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,120 1986. And that starts with every 1355 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,320 individual person because people will treat you differently when 1356 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,240 you when you do, people treat you differently than the hobos 1357 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,560 that are walking around out in the street. 1358 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,800 No, they do. I mean, but, but, but let's face 1359 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:26,080 it, there's a certain aura. I mean, I have total strangers. 1360 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,160 The guys in front of Quick Check. 1361 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:29,480 OK, Who live in front of Quick Check? 1362 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,880 Yes. Hey, Mr. Lawyer, I get out of my 1363 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,280 car. OK, I'm going to get a slut. 1364 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,560 Hey, lawyer, they can just tell. OK? 1365 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:39,960 So you can't use me as an example. 1366 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,720 You just exude lawyerness legal scholarliness. 1367 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,880 Well. Down South I exude Rabbi this, 1368 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,280 but yeah, it's essentially the same thing anyway. 1369 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,640 That's fair. I love it. 1370 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,320 Ron, tell people about the culmination. 1371 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,080 Culmination is my podcast. It doesn't go every day such as 1372 01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,800 Kyle's does, but it goes every couple of weeks, which is just 1373 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,520 about right for someone who has a real job. 1374 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:11,120 And, you know, we, it supposedly is about free speech, but it's 1375 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,560 whatever interests me. It's it's, it has my name in it, 1376 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,760 so just whatever I want to do. And you can find it at 1377 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,760 coleman-nation.com. But if you just look up 1378 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:26,080 roncoleman.com, you'll find me in everything I'm about and it 1379 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,600 will enable you to proactively avoid me as well if that's what 1380 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:30,880 you want to do after listening to this. 1381 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,320 It's a free country. I want to make your experience 1382 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:37,480 as pleasant as possible online too that. 1383 01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,040 Is very that is very thoughtful and courteous of you. 1384 01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,600 Good on you. We will put your link in the 1385 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,680 show description for people who want to send you nice messages 1386 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,080 only on X. They have to be flattering, or 1387 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,160 at least constructively sarcastic. 1388 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:56,760 Listen, the the I just dropped today an episode new new podcast 1389 01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:02,000 episode of culmination. And my guest is Andrew Branca, 1390 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,000 law of self-defense, who once blocked me on Twitter. 1391 01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,200 OK, he has some. Really, really nasty things to 1392 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,920 say sometimes. Yeah, he does. 1393 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,600 And I, I must have, I must have tripped over one of them. 1394 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,360 And yet we became pretty friendly. 1395 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,320 So, you know, I, I'm, I'm not afraid of of nasty comments, but 1396 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,280 nasty there. I guess there's a level of nasty 1397 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,560 that. There has to be some value 1398 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:25,920 added. Oh no. 1399 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:27,320 There is, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1400 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:28,280 All right. All right. 1401 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,760 Thanks for having me. Great talking to you again, 1402 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,880 Kyle. I enjoyed it. 1403 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,720 Thanks Ron. And that my dear friends, is the 1404 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,520 Sunday sit down. It was brought to you by my 1405 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,800 Patriot supply. Check them out at 1406 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,200 mypatriotsupply.com slash Kyle for that 4th of July 1407 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,520 preparedness option bundle. If you guys are looking for all 1408 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:44,640 their sale options, it's there too. 1409 01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,240 I hope you enjoyed that. I hope there was some fun there 1410 01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,840 for you. 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