1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistle blower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,520 American patriot prepared to embrace the uncomfortable truth. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,880 Because this program has no time for comforting lies. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,160 Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,720 defender and recovering FBI agent Kyle Serafi. 6 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:24,200 Hello, my friends. Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,720 show. It is Wednesday. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,800 It's June the 28th. I was looking at myself in the 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,159 camera and I thought, good God, Kyle, you look tired. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,400 I am tired. I am up all these silly hours. 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,880 I've got to say a special thank you today to Ryan Madda, who 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,000 helped produce this episode. He has helped us do the taping 13 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,360 of this conversation that you're going to see with Adam B 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,720 Coleman, also known as at Wrong under score Speak. 15 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,680 We had a really nice conversation. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,680 It was a little slow starting off, so you guys are going to 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,760 see that in just a second here. We're going to play what we call 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,240 a live premiere. I always give it to you 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,640 straight. We taped it yesterday. 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,280 We got a little bit of production involved and we got 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,160 to have Ryan Mada join me kind of working on the back end of 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,400 it. 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And we're going to be talking to 91 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Adam Coleman. I'm going to let him introduce 92 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,920 himself. And I think you guys are really 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,200 going to enjoy what he has to say. 94 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,200 Like I said, give a little bit of time to warm into it. 95 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,680 Ryan Madda, who was producing this for me, told me. 96 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,440 He might not have listened based on the opening, but he was 97 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,800 really glad he did afterwards. And of course he was producing 98 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,360 it. So he had no choice. 99 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,480 Folks, I will be in the live chat with you soon and let's 100 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,640 make this thing happen. Here we go. 101 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,800 Bring it on. Adam Coleman. 102 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,160 All right, folks, I want to welcome to the Kyle Seraphin 103 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,160 show, my friend online, my wife always says, is this your friend 104 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,840 from Twitter? And I always say yes, this is 105 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,040 Adam B Coleman. He's the founder of Wrong Speak 106 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,520 publishing. You can find him on Twitter at 107 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,600 wrong under score speak. He's a writer and he is a 108 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,120 thinker and I think a very compassionate and interesting 109 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,720 voice. I I came across him completely 110 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,520 randomly. He self describes as the 111 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,680 president of anti Blackistan. I got to ask some questions 112 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:00,760 about that. That's going to come up. 113 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,520 And and we've been getting into it a little bit about vaccine 114 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,040 mandates and a bunch of other stuff, fatherhood. 115 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,520 So we're going to have an interesting chat and I'm really 116 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,920 excited to talk to you today. Adam, thanks for joining me. 117 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Thank you. And just one small correction 118 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,680 because it happens after. It's ain't Blackistan. 119 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,440 It's not. Blackistan, yes. 120 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,080 So I actually juxtaposed those in my in my head. 121 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,600 What is ain't Blackistan before we get rolling? 122 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,760 It's a play on Joe Biden's You ain't black if you don't vote 123 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,200 for me. If you have a problem figuring 124 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,280 out whether you're for me or Trump and you ain't black. 125 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:34,200 So I said, well, I didn't vote for him, so I guess I'm from 126 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,400 this fictional nation called Ain't Blackistan. 127 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,320 Right. It's what are some of the 128 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,960 trading partners with Ain't Blackistan? 129 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,440 We're we're pretty self-sufficient, although we're 130 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,120 not, we're not racist. So we're we're willing to work 131 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,080 with other people, but we have a very strong border policy, 132 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,920 unlike America. Right, because because nations 133 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 have to have borders. Yes. 134 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,760 It turns out that's what those lines are on the map. 135 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,520 That's what they mean, usually. Supposedly, yeah. 136 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,320 Supposedly, All right, Adam, I, I haven't asked this, so I don't 137 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,560 actually know the, the answers. A lot of this stuff I want to 138 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,360 know where did you grow up? You know, kind of roughly how 139 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,560 old are you? So we have kind of a frame of of 140 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,200 what your experience was growing up and, you know, where was that 141 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,920 and what was your childhood like? 142 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Sure. I'm 38. 143 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,480 That's over there. It's hard to answer where I grew 144 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,240 up because before I was 18, I lived in four states. 145 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,640 But I tell people I'm from New Jersey because I've lived in New 146 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,480 Jersey the longest if you include my adult years. 147 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,320 But I, I lived in, well, I was born in Detroit. 148 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,800 I lived in Virginia, lived in upstate New York, and then moved 149 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,320 to New Jersey, was the 8th grade and kind of been here since. 150 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,680 There was a year that I moved to Nashville as an adult by myself 151 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,280 and then came back to New Jersey. 152 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:57,800 So I've lived in five states total, though my childhood was 153 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,640 basically myself, my mother, and my sister. 154 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,360 My father wasn't active in my life really. 155 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,080 He always lived in Detroit. He had another family, he was 156 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,640 always married. We were the other kids. 157 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,440 So just to kind of give like a framework of our existence. 158 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Yeah. No, that's good. 159 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,040 What drove you to move around? What was sort of the the impetus 160 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,840 for that sort of moving? Single mother looking for help 161 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,320 or taking opportunities early in my life. 162 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,240 Like when we moved to Virginia, I think, I think the reason was 163 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,320 because we had family in Alexandria, VA and so we moved 164 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,160 out there and we stayed with them for a little bit. 165 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,840 And so my mom got a place, but I believe my mother wants to go 166 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,320 back to school or something. But we ended up moving to 167 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,520 upstate New York because we had another family member there. 168 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,080 So it was a, it was a economic struggle for my mother, you 169 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,120 know, by herself with two kids. And the most support we got from 170 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,600 our father was child support through the state, which wasn't 171 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,040 that much. So yeah, a lot of it was because 172 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,800 of economics. When we moved from New York to 173 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,960 New Jersey, I think it was my mother just taking a opportunity 174 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,200 for the different employer. She had a job opportunity and 175 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,920 just decided to go. Yeah, now you've written a book. 176 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,040 You, you're a publisher now you have, you know, regular columns. 177 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,960 I know you've got by lines in in Newsweek and Post Millennial and 178 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,480 probably a bunch of others, New York Post. 179 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,720 When did you start writing and and what kind of drove you 180 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,840 towards that? The first, actually the very 181 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,120 first thing, is probably like the opposite of what everybody 182 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,840 else does. The very first thing I did was 183 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,320 write my book. That's right behind me. 184 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,600 I started writing it in the summer, the Summer of Love, as 185 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,360 they put it, a couple months after George Floyd's death. 186 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,240 But I wrote it because I felt like I wasn't able to talk about 187 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,560 certain things. I'm, I'm a very like quiet mob 188 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:01,640 man in person, generally speaking, I wasn't very public. 189 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,040 I really didn't use social media. 190 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,280 I didn't have Twitter. Facebook was only to talk to 191 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,920 family members and that was seldomly. 192 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,920 So I really just kept to myself. But for the first time, it felt 193 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,400 like if I wanted to say something, I wasn't allowed to. 194 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,880 And I didn't like that feeling. So that's when I started going 195 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,520 online to figure out, am I the only person who feels this way? 196 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,960 And I started going to like free speech forums where I felt freer 197 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,840 to have these dialogues because I saw what having the 198 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,440 conversation look like on Facebook, and it wasn't a 199 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,320 conversation. And that's where I actually got 200 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,680 a lot of support. You know, I was watching YouTube 201 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:49,000 videos and then it was suggested this one form, instead of going 202 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,960 on there and expressing how I felt. 203 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,200 And people were like, you should write more often because how you 204 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,760 explained yourself was really good. 205 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,960 And I had kind of rewind a little bit probably like a year 206 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,480 prior. I had an idea about writing a 207 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,320 book as kind of like a legacy thing for my son to kind of pass 208 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,800 along. But I didn't have an, I didn't 209 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,840 have like an idea of what I want to write about other than like 210 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,880 questioning things. But this was the first time I 211 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,200 had like a solid idea. So, you know, I figure out why 212 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,320 don't I write about race. And it started off with just 213 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,280 kind of writing about race, and then it turned into a much 214 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,040 deeper concept. You know, race is at the top 215 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,880 level. But underneath I talk about the 216 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,600 importance of family and how family impacts children. 217 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,400 I talk about morality, I guess, some psychological and 218 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,040 behavioral analysis, which I'm not a psychologist, but I've had 219 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,640 psychologists read my book and say that I'm on point because 220 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,200 I'm very much so into psychology. 221 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:55,200 So it's a very eclectic book that some people are caught off 222 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,000 guard with because they didn't think they'd take home some of 223 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,360 the things that I'm actually pointing out. 224 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,320 I can appreciate that. I think one of the first reasons 225 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,480 that we started engaging was a discussion of race relations. 226 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,680 I think I had a question for you off the you you mentioned 227 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:11,480 something that that caught me off guard and I wanted to to 228 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,600 query you about it. And your response was very 229 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,160 honest. I felt like and very open. 230 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,720 And so that kind of cat that started me following your, your 231 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Twitter account. And since then, I've seen that 232 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,960 there's a lot of very warm humor, even for a guy who is a 233 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,640 little bit more reserved. I think you and I share a sense 234 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,040 of humor, which is a little bit of reverent and seems to be. 235 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,960 And then we have a lot of values, I think in common too, 236 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,760 which I've also enjoyed. So I wanted you to talk about 237 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,280 it. You mentioned your childhood 238 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,200 without a father. I saw something you put out on 239 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Father's Day saying that you've made Father's Day about your job 240 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,440 as a father and maybe talk a little bit about fatherhood, 241 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,880 what it what it meant to you growing up and then sort of how 242 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,000 it's evolved is something that you do as an adult. 243 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,480 I think as a kid I didn't really think about fathers or 244 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,520 fatherhood. I mean, just, it's kind of like 245 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,800 an innate feeling of just wanting your father to be there. 246 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,240 You know, we moved around a lot and I would say a good portion 247 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,080 of it was kind of living in the suburbs and guess a lot of the 248 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,360 kids I was surrounded by were white, but I was, I was treated 249 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,040 fairly. But the thing that I noticed was 250 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,560 that our family was different, not because of our complexion, 251 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,920 but because just about every kid that I was around had their 252 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,840 father in the house. I was in Boy Scouts and all 253 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,480 their fathers are involved. I can't really think of like one 254 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,280 other kid that didn't have their father somewhat involved or at 255 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,080 least bring them to the Boy Scout event. 256 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,000 I played baseball. Either their fathers are 257 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,480 involved in the team or the fathers were in the crowd. 258 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,560 How? Even most of the time when we 259 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:46,480 would play baseball, the entire family's there. 260 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,360 Meanwhile, you know, my mother was sometimes working. 261 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Sometimes she could go, sometimes she couldn't. 262 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,400 But my father was never there. My father was in a different 263 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,280 state. He had no interests. 264 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,120 I don't even know if he knew I played baseball. 265 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,880 He didn't try to be honest with you. 266 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,400 And I know there's like a reaction from certain people 267 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,880 like, well, you know, sometimes women keep fathers away. 268 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:15,440 And that's absolutely true. But I know that my father, to be 269 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,600 100% honest with you, I know that my father didn't love me 270 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,920 based on his actions and lack of actions. 271 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,120 And yes, some men make mistakes, you know, when the kids are 272 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,240 young. But as an adult, I reached out 273 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,120 to him and he had no interest. So I stopped trying to create a 274 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,600 scenario to be disappointed. And I stopped trying to see my 275 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,960 father as something that he isn't, he isn't someone that 276 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,080 actually loves us. He had he had his own family, 277 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,920 his own kids elsewhere. He paid his obligation through 278 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,600 the state and we became adults and that was it. 279 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,400 That was as much attachment. You know, when he would even 280 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,120 come around, it was strange because it was like dealing with 281 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,520 a stranger. That's the best way of kind of 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,080 putting it. Like when I, and this is 283 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,800 something I'm actually working on with the second book. 284 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,680 So I'm like processing all these things and I'm actually talking 285 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:12,280 to my mom. But like, I asked my mother the 286 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,320 other day when he would call, when she would put him on the 287 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,200 phone with me, did she initiate him putting him on the phone 288 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,720 with me? And she said yes. 289 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,040 And it, and it got that feeling because every phone call I had 290 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,600 with him was kind of like a, you know, if you like, if you called 291 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,520 a friend's house and you're like looking to talk to their friend 292 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,440 and then all of a sudden they put their two year old on the 293 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,400 phone and you have this weird, awkward conversation you weren't 294 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,800 expecting to have with the 2 year old. 295 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,120 Like you weren't anticipating like, so how's school? 296 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,080 You know, that's, that's how my father would speak with me. 297 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,320 He didn't have the attention. He didn't have the attachment to 298 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,720 to do that. He didn't have the drive to have 299 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,840 that conversation. So he was, he was obligated to 300 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,280 do it because it was the appropriate thing for the social 301 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,440 convention, but not something that he was driving towards on 302 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,880 his own. Exactly, exactly. 303 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,240 And, and even when he would come around, you know, I've talked 304 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,200 about this very few times, but my father, when we lived in 305 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,280 upstate New York, my father would drive from Michigan to New 306 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,840 York City to get fabric, but we we would live like an hour north 307 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,080 of the city. So instead of getting a hotel, 308 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,840 he would stay with us and he would stay with us for a few 309 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,920 days. But I don't really have that 310 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,160 much of A like a memory of like, oh, when my dad came, we did XY 311 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,160 and Z. He was just like, he was there 312 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,960 and then he would leave and then he was there and he would leave 313 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,120 and he'd go to bed and he'd sleep with my mom. 314 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,600 And then the thing that always stuck out to me was that I would 315 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,080 never say goodbye to my father. He would always leave in the 316 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,720 middle of the night. He would leave $100 on the 317 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:00,680 kitchen counter and that's it. And he did that repeatedly. 318 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,800 So I remember he at least he least did it two or three times. 319 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,320 I remember it was more than once. 320 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,320 But I would never say goodbye to my father. 321 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,920 Even when we moved to New Jersey, he came and visit, I 322 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,720 think like the last time, just wake up and he was gone. 323 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,120 He'd live in leave in the middle of night. 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 There was no, there wasn't even like a hug goodbye the night 325 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,440 before. Hey, I'm leaving in the morning. 326 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,880 It was great seeing you. There wasn't any of that. 327 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,200 It was like, oh, I guess my father just left and that was 328 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,680 it. So that's kind of why I, on top 329 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,960 of all these other things, I know that my father didn't 330 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,400 really care. And I know that even more so as 331 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,440 I became a father and started seeing the dynamic between a 332 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,160 healthy father and A and his son. 333 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,400 Yeah. And I don't hear a lot of 334 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,120 bitterness in the way that you're saying that, although I 335 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,720 think there's every, every cause for that. 336 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,520 It sounds like you've got a very academic, you know, sort of 337 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,360 digestion of that experience. What were some of the emotions 338 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,760 as you were growing up seeing that? 339 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,760 And then how do you avoid sort of the the potential anger that 340 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,640 when you're dealing with it as an adult? 341 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,400 Well, my emotions as a kid, I think so as much as I'm very 342 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,560 like reflective today, part of that comes from depression 343 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,839 because when you're depressed, you habitually reflect onto 344 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:19,800 yourself, but you do it in an unhealthy way. 345 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:26,119 So instead of like a healthy critique of who you are, you 346 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,560 kind of blame yourself and you point out your flaws rather than 347 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,600 saying like now I would see like, I'm not good at this, so I 348 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,960 need to improve on this. It would be I'm not good at this 349 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,080 and I deserve what comes to me and I, I don't deserve these 350 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,560 things and I'm terrible. It, it would, it would go down 351 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,440 this unhealthy spiral. And I think that's what my 352 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,040 childhood was kind of mixed in with, you know, I see with my 353 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,320 son, if he's down, I say, let's talk about it and I can help 354 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,000 bring him back up. I can reinstall some motivation 355 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,440 to him or you know, help build up a self esteem and and point 356 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,440 out things about him that are good and positive so he can kind 357 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,400 of see it and he can understand like I relate to him because 358 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,760 we're very much so alike behaviorally and he looks like 359 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,880 me as well. So I get him and he understands 360 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,160 that and he respects that. So he listens to me and that 361 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,960 kind of keeps him going. Whereas I didn't have that. 362 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,880 If I went down a spiral, I just went down a spiral kind of by 363 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,480 myself. My mother was sometimes there 364 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,520 and sometimes she was working or, and just on, on the face of 365 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,640 it, my mother's a woman. She doesn't understand what it's 366 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,680 like to be a young man. And it's not the same. 367 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,280 And I've had moments. I just started talking about 368 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,560 this, you know, within the past few months. 369 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,160 But when I was six years old, I apparently told my mother. 370 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,440 And I vaguely remember, but I apparently told my mother that I 371 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,600 went to die. I went to kill myself by having 372 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,040 like my bed fall on top of me. You know, it's just a very like 373 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:11,240 kid way of thinking of dying. And then days later I was put 374 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,880 into a mental health institution. 375 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,040 And I was there for three months. 376 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,720 And it was something that for like years I kind of blocked out 377 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,640 until my sister brought it up maybe like 5 or 6 years ago. 378 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,040 And it's like all these memories just started coming back to me. 379 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,000 But for three months is a long time for a six year old. 380 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,680 But what makes it even longer is that, you know, when you get 381 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,920 prosecuted for a crime, they say your sentence is this. 382 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,480 So you're just kind of bidding your time. 383 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,840 You know, when you're leaving. It's the opposite when you go 384 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,240 into a mental health institution. 385 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,200 And as a kid, you have no idea. So every day you're like, is 386 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,080 today the day I get to go home? And then you're disappointed 387 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,800 when it's not. And then what? 388 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 It would be compounded by like my mother would come and visit. 389 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,880 And then I'm like, are you here to Take Me Home? 390 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,840 And she has to tell me no. And then I would have to go back 391 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:12,960 and, and, you know, stay there until whenever I'm supposed to 392 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,880 go home. And so, you know, my sister told 393 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,280 me in that conversation that my, she would come with my mother 394 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:22,960 and every time my mother would go home driving the car crying 395 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,760 because she has to leave her son behind. 396 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,840 So, you know, it was something that I decided to talk about 397 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,240 because the topic of mental health, we talked about, oh, you 398 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,520 know, we need these institutions. 399 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,360 And like when I was in an institution, the only thing I 400 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,320 learned was to follow the rules of the institution so I can get 401 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,480 the hell out of here. You know, I didn't need an 402 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,960 institution. I needed my father. 403 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,760 I didn't need drugs. I didn't need any of that stuff. 404 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:55,000 You know something, and I think I've only talked about this 405 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:04,240 once, but there is a new kid that came into our quarters. 406 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,360 I have this best way of putting it. 407 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:09,920 So it was like this big open quarters and let's just say 408 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,320 there's like 10 kids in that quarter and we would have these 409 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,800 group sessions and stuff like that. 410 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,600 There's a new kid that came into that quarter and he was very 411 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,760 friendly with me. And I want to say it was 412 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,240 relatively soon after he came within a day or two, he tried 413 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,040 sneaking into my bed to do something with me. 414 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,520 And as soon as he got, as soon as he was sneaking into my bed, 415 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,280 he got caught by an attendant. And so I pretended to be asleep 416 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,120 and he got taken away. And I never saw that kid again. 417 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,000 But what if that guy didn't see that? 418 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,520 What would have happened to me? How would that have impacted my 419 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,840 life? And it was a boy that that tried 420 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,760 to get into my bed. And I don't know what he had 421 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,520 experienced to think that this is normal, you know, so it's, 422 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,920 it's all these things. That's why I talk about single 423 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,360 parenthood and, and how it makes children vulnerable. 424 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,080 And that's one of the vulnerabilities. 425 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,040 I was mentally vulnerable. And it LED for me to be placed 426 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,680 into an even more vulnerable position, to be away from people 427 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,280 that I don't know, to be away from people I do know, to be 428 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,800 around people I don't know and an institution that barely cares 429 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,040 about me. You know, there's people doing 430 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,680 their jobs to learn. Ultimately, nothing other than 431 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,000 sharing your feelings will get you institutionalized. 432 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,240 That's essentially what I got from it. 433 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,200 Yeah, that's a real, that's a really specific lesson too, 434 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,720 right? I mean, they're, they've showed 435 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,040 you at especially at such an age. 436 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,080 I've got a six year old right now. 437 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,320 So I'm, I'm just putting it on my daughter and imagining, you 438 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,400 know, if she came to us with some thoughts and, and she said 439 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,720 some things that at that age that are very interesting, you 440 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,800 know, like, you know, everybody's always mad at me. 441 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,120 And, and, you know, when you're 6, you can't process things in 442 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,120 any cerebral way that, that a grown up is. 443 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,840 And even though they have real words and, and real paragraphs 444 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,440 and they have real thoughts, they're not developed and they 445 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,640 don't make any sense. And you know, they, they can't 446 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560 be responsible for that. My wife is actually a mental 447 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,080 health counselor at it. I don't know if I've ever told 448 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,040 you that. But. 449 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,960 So, so I'm very familiar with a lot of this stuff. 450 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,160 And we were just talking literally yesterday about a 13 451 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,640 year old girl that had been institutionalized 7 times for 452 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,760 depression for, you know, some of these anxiety disorders and 453 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,160 things like that, which, you know, my wife struggled with 454 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,520 depression in her early life. And so I'm, I'm familiar with it 455 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,240 at least tangentially. It's, it's incredible that, that 456 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,640 that was the option that they had was to institutionalized 457 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,400 you. Do you know, what thought 458 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,640 process went into saying I can't handle this? 459 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,880 And, and your mom had to, you know, put you in a facility. 460 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,080 Was she really worried that you were going to drop a bet on 461 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,560 yourself or where did that come from? 462 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,320 Was she just confused? I don't. 463 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,360 So to kind of give context, my mother's a nurse, OK. 464 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,360 You know, I think she was the LPN at the time. 465 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,840 So her, I guess her belief in the, in the medical system is 466 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,200 that when something troubling happens, you bring it to a 467 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,520 professional and you ask them for their advice. 468 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,880 And so that's what happened. My mother didn't just on a whim 469 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800 take me there. My mother sought on a 470 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,800 professional, told them what I had told her, and that was the 471 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,120 professional advice given not to bring me to this facility. 472 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,720 And that's, that's what left for that to happen. 473 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,640 But I think the ultimate message with me telling the story to 474 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,160 people is to understand that, yeah, my mother could have 475 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,880 chosen a better option, but that's not really the point of 476 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,040 the story. The point of the story is that I 477 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,880 was a kid who wanted his father, and his father could have saved 478 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,600 me as a child from going through all this emotional turmoil when 479 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,840 all I wanted was just some attention from the man who 480 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,200 created me. That's basically it. 481 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,200 And I suffered because of it. So to kind of answer your other 482 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,200 question, why do I not sound bitter? 483 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,320 And it's because I learned how to accept. 484 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,040 I accept that my father didn't love me. 485 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,120 I accept that my father wasn't there for me. 486 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:07,120 I went through years of dealing with stuff by myself and then 487 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,720 seeking out professional help. As far as therapist, I avoided 488 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,800 drugs. I didn't like taking drugs for 489 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,080 stuff that I can try to work out myself, and I saw how drugs 490 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,640 created dependency for other people. 491 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,920 But I went to therapist. I remember I was going through a 492 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:31,240 tough time with stress at one of my jobs and I was having panic 493 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040 attacks and it took me a while to realize I was having panic 494 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,280 attacks. Then I started staying home and 495 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,160 then that turned into agoraphobia. 496 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,040 And once that started happening, that's when I was like, I got to 497 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:47,120 do something about this. And my first sessions were 498 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,680 talking about my childhood. It just slipped into that and I 499 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,440 think I went to the therapist like 3 * a week for like 3 or 4 500 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,360 weeks and every single session was me crying. 501 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,160 It was just getting stuff out that I had just kind of like 502 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,320 held in and it was something I desperately needed to do. 503 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520 And it, and it was just like all these other things just kind of 504 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,160 steamrolled into my, my real life of going to work everyday, 505 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,720 paying the bills and stuff like that. 506 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,000 And then dealing with a stressful job. 507 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:23,000 I wasn't able to handle it because emotionally I wasn't 508 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,120 handling all the things I needed to handle and resolve the things 509 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,640 I needed to resolve. So therapy became of a high 510 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,880 interest for me, which is why I became very interested in 511 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,520 psychology. It just understanding people. 512 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,640 And I think for a lot of psychologists, they, they get 513 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,560 into it because they're trying to understand themselves. 514 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,600 I think you're right. You know, I know a number of 515 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,960 psychologists and they've had either traumatic events happened 516 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,040 to them when they were younger and they're they're trying to 517 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,080 figure out their emotions and it because of becomes of interest 518 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,760 of themself. I'll tell you something kind of 519 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,560 funny. My younger brother, he told me 520 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,160 that every crazy girl that he ever dated when she was in her 521 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,320 early 20s was a yoga instructor by the time she was 30. 522 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,680 And it's the same thing, though. It's that like, how do you heal 523 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,240 thyself, right? They're looking for that thing 524 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,120 that, that, that, that solves whatever the scratches that itch 525 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,200 they have in their brain. And if it's yoga or it's therapy 526 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,800 or it's writing, I think a lot of people seek that out. 527 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,760 And obviously, I, I, I think you're correct. 528 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000 And my wife's story is the same. And all of her colleagues that 529 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,880 I've met, they all, they all were some version of trying to 530 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,000 figure out what was their issue in life. 531 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720 And then once they thought they had a handle on it, many of them 532 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,840 probably don't still. They, they go out there and they 533 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,360 try to help other people too, which is interesting. 534 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,960 I just love that you, that you turned in because a lot of men 535 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,560 will shy away from therapy. There's a stigma about it for 536 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,200 males in particular, and I'm curious what you know. 537 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Did you feel that, and then did you overcome that, or was that 538 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,160 something that you were innately drawn to because you knew there 539 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,760 were other problems? I never really feared it and I I 540 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280 guess that's it. So people understand. 541 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,200 I didn't grow up with a male figure. 542 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,120 So even though my father wasn't there, a lot of people have 543 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,080 stepfathers or uncles and stuff like that. 544 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,560 We moved around a lot. My extended family was very much 545 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,400 so extended from us, like and my mother didn't have boyfriends in 546 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,720 out of the house or or long term relationships. 547 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,280 So my interaction, interactions with men were very limited 548 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,680 basically until I became an adult and started going into 549 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,720 workforce. So a lot of the things that 550 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,160 maybe other guys would pick up as being normal or maybe like 551 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,440 the machismo kind of thing, I didn't really grow up around and 552 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,840 I didn't develop, you know, certain things I've kind of 553 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,880 picked up over the way over the over time that I needed to, to, 554 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,200 to develop being a man and develop manhood into being, 555 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,480 becoming something of my own. So this, the whole stigma thing 556 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,200 is not something that I really saw. 557 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,440 I mean, I understood that it existed, but it was never 558 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,880 something that I was fighting to get over. 559 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200 It was very much so like, I need help. 560 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,000 I need to go seek help and that that was it. 561 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,200 It's really smart. I think just your constitution 562 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,480 allowed you to do the thing that that was the right thing for 563 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,920 you. And, and not everybody has that. 564 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,720 I want to lean a little bit into race because there's a there's a 565 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,320 lot of discussions and I think it's from a place of probably 566 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,520 ignorance, but not from malice. A lot of people will go out and 567 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,840 they'll blame the a lack of fathers in, you know, in black 568 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,200 men as they grow up. And that's the result, you know, 569 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,480 that results in negative outcomes for them. 570 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,240 And yet I think even just your story as a, as an individual 571 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280 tells us that these are all very individual stories. 572 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,680 They're all very different. My dad grew up without a father 573 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120 as well. And so, you know, and not for 574 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,800 any fault of anybody else, my, my grandfather, who died long 575 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,640 before I was born, was just very old by the time that my dad was 576 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,600 born, he was having children into his very late years, 60s 577 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,800 and 70s. So, you know, there's a, there's 578 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,160 a lot of different stories. There's, there's not one story 579 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,680 that says, oh, this is how we grew people in. 580 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,280 But as human beings, we tend to do that. 581 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,600 It makes it easier to digest. You know what, when you're 582 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,080 looking out there, does your story immediately get 583 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,440 categorized by people before they meet you and then before 584 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,160 they get to to learn sort of your introspective take on it? 585 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,040 Sometimes, but I mean, stuff like that doesn't really bother 586 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,280 me. But I think you're right as far 587 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:26,360 as how we we try to find like this, this group, this group 588 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,080 explanation as to why this problem exists rather than 589 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,320 seeing it as there are overlaps between individual choices and 590 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,640 cultural acceptance. That's kind of how I see it. 591 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,120 So I use my wife as an example. She grew up in Brooklyn and mind 592 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,960 she, by the way. Yeah, we talked about that. 593 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,560 That's right. But she, she was saying how when 594 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,520 she was growing up that there was only one family that had 595 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,160 both parents in the home and they were from the Caribbean. 596 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,280 And she never really thought about it until we got together. 597 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,560 And I wanted to talk about the dynamic and the impact. 598 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040 And we would have all these like long conversations when we 599 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:17,080 started getting together about my childhood men, how we're seen 600 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,680 in the world. And, and I, I don't think she 601 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,280 really even thought about it as being odd because when 602 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920 everybody's doing something, it just becomes normal. 603 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,880 And So what I talk about is culture. 604 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640 What becomes culturally acceptable becomes culturally 605 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,880 normal. And then what happens when it 606 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,440 becomes accepted? People make excuses for the 607 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,520 acceptance. So they'll say, well, look at 608 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,280 Adam, you grow up with a single mother. 609 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,720 You turned out fine, right? Oh, OK. 610 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,040 So then hence fathers are optional because these guys 611 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,680 turned out OK. And so, you know, for every, for 612 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,640 every situation, you can point out some, some sort of success 613 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,200 story. But the reality is that the 614 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,160 issues that exist in our society depend upon the fringes of, of 615 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,400 people in our, in our society. So the the things like we talked 616 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,360 about incarceration, do we think that happy people are robbing 617 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,200 people? Do we think happy people are 618 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800 murdering people, are raping people? 619 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,080 Do you think these are happy content people who are living 620 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,400 fulfilling lives? No. 621 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,720 So why is that the case? Why aren't they happy? 622 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760 Why aren't they fulfilled? What kind of struggles are they 623 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,440 having? And just about every time I try 624 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,120 to dive down that that rabbit hole, it always comes down to 625 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,880 most of these people. And this is regardless of race. 626 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,960 Most of these people grew up in some sort of dysfunctional home. 627 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,920 When I started writing publicly for like the New York Post, for 628 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480 example, I would get an outpouring of people. 629 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,720 But I would always get like a few people who worked in the 630 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,280 juvenile system who would come in and send me emails and send 631 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,440 me direct messages talking about just about every kid that they 632 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960 would have locked up came from a broken home, came from some sort 633 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,920 of family abuse, came from a household that did not have a 634 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,520 father. And at some point, when you say 635 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,800 this is beyond a coincidence, there's some sort of real reason 636 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,440 why this is occurring. While not every child who grows 637 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,360 up in a single parent home becomes a criminal, obviously 638 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,120 I'm an example and I would say the majority of them don't. 639 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,360 What happens is that the extremes become exacerbated and 640 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,000 young men are filled with chaos. And I don't think people 641 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,160 understand that. So, you know, the the impact of 642 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,760 single parenthood looks different for boys and girls. 643 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,480 Boys are chaotic and you have to teach them how to control their 644 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960 chaos. Otherwise if you don't, they 645 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360 take the chaos and the rest of society and become destructive 646 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,240 forces. With girls, they breed with the 647 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,280 chaotic men to produce, you know, a line of chaotic people. 648 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,880 And they don't know, they don't have because their their 649 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080 father's supposed to be the first and most important male in 650 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,480 their life. And so they don't have a model 651 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,320 of how a man is supposed to treat a woman and who they 652 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,120 should choose for procreation. And it becomes harder to 653 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,679 delineate who the good men are, who the bad men are. 654 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,679 And they become attracted to the shiny gold, you know, shiny 655 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,800 object and they start going after them. 656 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,040 So they on, you know, mistakenly choose the bad guys. 657 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,159 You ever wonder like, how come these guys are like felons and 658 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,840 they have like six women with well, you know, with six kids, 659 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,719 like how who's choosing them? Well, then if you start looking 660 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,600 at the women, most of them come from the similar background, you 661 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,280 know, that can't be that can't be an accident. 662 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,560 And then when if you really, really start looking at people's 663 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,440 behaviors, like even leftists, a lot of the leftists like you see 664 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,639 on like a lives of TikTok, I sort of watch him lose a TikTok 665 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,400 with the sound off. I just started watching their 666 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,080 mannerisms and I started looking at things and noticing things. 667 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,800 Just about all their videos involved them being in their 668 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,640 room by themselves. They're never around people. 669 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,880 They involves them not looking, making eye contact, looking 670 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,080 around, saying ridiculous things that even their face doesn't 671 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,360 show that they believe they are starved of attention and they're 672 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,800 starved of these different things. 673 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,800 And often times you start really looking into them. 674 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,360 I really truly believe a lot of them experience some sort of 675 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,360 childhood trauma, like real trauma. 676 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,600 Not like, you know, I didn't get my latte and I'm not traumatized 677 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,920 because I have a headache. I mean, like actual trauma, 678 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,680 abuse, neglect, things that are really impactful when you're a 679 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,760 child. And I think that exists all over 680 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,520 the place, not just with with black men or black children, but 681 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,240 it's become an American issue. Nearly 1/4 of children grow up 682 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,520 in a single parent home in America, number one in the 683 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640 world. Yeah, we. 684 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,840 So you and I are both children of the 80s. 685 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,320 I've got a couple years on you, but not many. 686 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,640 And so we experienced a lot of the same thing and childhood 687 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,320 divorce or our parents being divorced when we were kids was 688 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,080 more and more normal. I remember the stats always 689 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,480 being quoted when I was younger, you know, 50% of marriages end 690 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,760 in divorce, this kind of thing. And it was very normalized, even 691 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,360 though it's probably one of the most damaging things that 692 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,000 happened in this country at any point. 693 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600 You're kind of a, you know, do you have a, a backswing sort of 694 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,920 the, the, the response to that is that is that what you think 695 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,680 that you're living 'cause I, I know my wife and I had this 696 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,360 conversation. She's also a child of divorce in 697 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,640 addition to being a child of Brooklyn. 698 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,200 And when we talked about it, it's like we we can't get 699 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,960 divorced under any circumstances because it was devastating to 700 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,200 her. Even though she was a teenager, 701 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,040 she was already, you know, mostly grown. 702 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,080 And it's still probably one of the formative things that 703 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,240 happened in her life. You, you got to experience being 704 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,720 without a father, which is, which is not the same as 705 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,320 divorce, but I think it can often be the same animal when 706 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,360 when a man moves on, men tend to move on emotionally as well. 707 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,240 I don't think women necessarily do the same thing. 708 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,760 You know, Has that shaped the way that your marriage is 709 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160 structured and the way that you guys kind of look out at the 710 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,640 future as options? Well, you know, I feel like 711 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,680 human beings are more likely to repeat than to, than to change. 712 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,000 So even in my circumstances, I'm saying all these different 713 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,720 things. I had my son out of wedlock, me 714 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,760 and his mother never got married and so he's always grown up in a 715 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520 separate house and myself. The difference between my 716 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,800 childhood and our relationship is that I've always been 717 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,480 involved. So I would always have him every 718 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,360 weekend, I always did things with him. 719 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,280 I would talk to him on the phone. 720 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,840 If he needed something I would get it for him, not through the 721 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880 state. You know, I voluntarily give 722 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,280 money to his mother to help take care of him. 723 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,920 I've done that in his entire life. 724 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,080 It resisted going through the state involving the state of my 725 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,320 life. I've Co parent with her, never 726 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040 had talked to his mother and I don't think she does that with 727 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,760 me either. We get along, we're friendly and 728 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,000 she got married at one point as well and dealt with that dynamic 729 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,600 as well with him having a stepfather. 730 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:20,920 So, but I understand even more so today that I put my son at 731 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:27,280 risk and I put him, I put him in a situation even though the 732 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,560 stepfather was fine. But there are some men who 733 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,880 purposely go after women who are single, single mothers. 734 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,680 And that's an uncomfortable thing to kind of say out loud 735 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,600 that people don't really talk about. 736 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,960 But predators hunt and they look for vulnerable children and they 737 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,720 looked for vulnerable children in in these type of situations. 738 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,840 So thankfully my son never went through that type of scenario 739 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,720 with him. But I did repeat some of the 740 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,880 things that I grew up around. And part of the reason I 741 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,720 repeated it, not because like I thought it was so admirable to, 742 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,000 you know, have a single parent household, but I repeated it 743 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,800 because I didn't understand the importance of proper family 744 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,000 planning. And so for me, it's less about 745 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,640 like, yes, marriage. Marriage is a institution that 746 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,840 helps to promote families being solidly together. 747 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,040 And it's the best possible outcome for a child to best 748 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,600 possible environment for a child to live in a marriage situation. 749 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,520 But I, I look at it from the perspective of proper family 750 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,720 planning, like you're choosing to do these things, you're 751 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,160 choosing to get married and then have children, right? 752 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,960 No one ever really talked to me about that. 753 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,840 No one ever had this conversation. 754 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,120 So as much as in school, they want to talk about what gender 755 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,920 you are and how to have sex and who you want to have sex with. 756 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,800 They don't ever talk about family. 757 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,680 They don't ever talk about proper family planning. 758 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,480 And really, to be honest with you, they shouldn't. 759 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,880 That's not their job. They shouldn't be talking to 760 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080 them about sex to this degree that they are either. 761 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,440 Your parents are supposed to have this conversation with 762 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,840 their kids. My son, although he said it, 763 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920 we'll see if this turns out. My son has said he does not want 764 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,680 to have kids until he's married. You know, just that having 765 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,440 having that idea planted into his head is much farther along 766 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,840 than I was. For me, I needed women to 767 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,480 validate me. I was chasing girls. 768 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,360 I was trying to I was trying to get one of them to to take me 769 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,800 because I didn't believe in myself. 770 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,160 And if I got dumped, my self esteem got dumped as well. 771 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,800 So my son doesn't need that. He doesn't need that validation 772 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,560 because his father gives him that validation. 773 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040 His father picks him up. His father points that no, you 774 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,560 have this, you need to focus on yourself. 775 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,320 You need to do what's best for you, follow your purpose and 776 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,200 then the women will come. Don't chase them. 777 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,640 And and he understands that. So he's able to properly family 778 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,920 plan because he's building himself up to be in that 779 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,360 position to family plan, to have the the lifestyle that he does 780 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,800 actually want. He's doing it in the right 781 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,880 order. And I was never taught that. 782 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,240 The only thing that I understood was not to be my father, to be 783 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:22,080 involved in your kids lives. And and so I was never taught 784 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,640 the order, never fully understood the order. 785 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,760 I was just reacting. I was just doing things, you 786 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,800 know, in some cases I was pleasure seeking. 787 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,840 I was looking for validation where I was doing all these 788 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,120 things that could have been curbed if I had a father, a 789 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,400 healthy father figure in my life, but I didn't. 790 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,680 And so that's where this is my education for my son is how you 791 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,280 stop that. You know, people say 792 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,880 generational curse, but how you stop the cycle, the cycle of 793 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,800 fatherlessness. So, you know, I believe that my 794 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,280 son will be the the first generation in quite a while to 795 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,080 to lead a household in a way that he's actually supposed to 796 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,640 lead it to at least attempt to follow that order. 797 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,400 And if he doesn't, he will be man enough to be in that 798 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,080 position to stick around to try to amend it and not run between 799 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,720 run with his tail between his legs. 800 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,880 So, you know, that's what I'm trying to do. 801 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,760 I'm trying to correct what I should have done. 802 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160 I should have family plan. It's not that I regret my son or 803 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,440 anything, but I should have family plan to to keep my son 804 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,360 from being in a in a vulnerable position like having a 805 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,280 stepfather. And so hopefully my son will 806 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,400 will change that course. I, I made an assumption and I'm, 807 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,160 I'm glad that you corrected it. And also I'm, I'm kind of more, 808 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,320 I'm even more interested in the way that story turns out because 809 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,640 what, what happens then is everybody thinks that you can 810 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,440 snap something from a negative result to a positive result, You 811 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,320 know, that they can take something that was not healthy 812 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160 and turn it into something healthy overnight. 813 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,760 And I actually made that assumption as well. 814 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,280 And I think what you're showing is that a lot of these things 815 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560 happened incrementally. They happened over a long period 816 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,960 of time. Obviously your entire childhood 817 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,120 and formation were not an overnight process. 818 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,720 And it would make sense that the, the correction of it would 819 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,440 also not be overnight. I think it's really important to 820 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,360 grab. I want to kind of pivot that 821 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,160 towards something else that I think a lot of people are, are 822 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,600 sort of have this expectation of which is weight loss and healthy 823 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,520 living and healthy diet. You've been talking about it on, 824 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,400 on Twitter and I've, I've been following along and, and I'm 825 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,880 proud for you for what you're doing. 826 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,240 You, you basically said, you know, I'm going to start 827 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,280 incrementally doing these things. 828 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,040 I'm going to set some goals for myself and I'm going to start 829 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,760 living in a more healthy way. And it's the same thing. 830 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,640 You can't shed unhealthy weight. You can't change behaviors 831 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,440 overnight. You can simply start with step 832 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,400 one and move them along. Maybe talk a little bit about 833 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,320 how what motivated you even to start doing that because a lot 834 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,400 of people struggle with the first movement. 835 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,360 I think I think that's the hardest thing for most people. 836 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,800 It's like, how do I start a pattern that is safe, healthy, 837 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,280 sustainable, and I can move with? 838 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,400 And then you know what motivated you to do that? 839 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,840 Well, before I get into like what I'm doing now, I think it's 840 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,840 important for people to understand my history. 841 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,240 So throughout my throughout my childhood, I was always thin, 842 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,120 always thin. But you know, my mother, she 843 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,160 work a lot. We ate ramen noodles. 844 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,760 We ate, you know, we, we didn't eat the healthiest, you know, 845 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,200 because she wasn't always there to cook. 846 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,440 Sometimes we might eat out, but not as much as like how 847 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,480 accessible we didn't have, you know, DoorDash back in the day. 848 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,760 Yeah, nobody had some of the options that you got like like 849 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,640 people do today. Right, right. 850 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040 So we didn't have as many options, but we didn't eat the 851 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,640 best. I ate whatever. 852 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,360 But because I was young and, you know, we went outside or I would 853 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,680 walk to school. So you you walk around school 854 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,080 all day, going to different classrooms. 855 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,840 So you kind of burn that stuff off. 856 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520 But I never learned that the healthy eating habits like I 857 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,120 should have. It wasn't until I left school, 858 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,440 started working and started being come become more still at 859 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,160 my workplace and sitting down all day that my weight started 860 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,280 going up and up and up. And so my weight has completely 861 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,560 fluctuated my entire adult life. There is one point in time, man, 862 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,000 I really, I really don't know how big I was, but I remember I 863 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,840 moved to Tennessee and I was really depressed when I was out 864 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,520 there and I was eating sonics and I was eating like like 865 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:45,480 these, like these massive was, was the tater tots, like the 866 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,640 footballing tater tots with like chili and cheese. 867 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,000 They're the most unhealthy things that you could ever 868 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,800 imagine. I was eating them multiple times 869 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,160 a week and. Then like a 40 oz whatever 870 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,520 slushy that they sell with them too. 871 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,040 Right. Just it was absolutely horrible 872 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520 and I gained so much weight. It's just trash. 873 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,120 But I was, I was really depressed when I was out there. 874 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,520 I was alone. So like at times suicidal. 875 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,080 Like it was, it wasn't good. I remember coming back home and 876 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,720 a friend of mine saw me. He was like, he's like, man, you 877 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:19,640 gained a lot of weight. So I would I, I, I don't know 878 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,120 how much I weighed, but I was probably in the 280 range 879 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,160 probably. By the way. 880 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,800 I'm 511. OK, so that's a that's a heavy 881 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,120 that's not crazy, not for American standards, but that's 882 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,040 that's everything. I'll tell you something really 883 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,200 funny. Somebody, my one of my buddies 884 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,320 sends me this meme and thank God for friends like that that'll 885 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,360 kind of, you know, kind of shock you out of your, your, your 886 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,880 mindset or your, or your mood. There was this thing and it was 887 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,840 like, you know, two women talking, it's this meme, right? 888 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,240 And she says, you know, am I fat? 889 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,280 And she's like, Oh my God, no, you're beautiful. 890 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,720 And then, and then underneath it, it's like dudes. 891 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,400 And it's like, he's like, Hey, bro, am I fat? 892 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,040 And he was like, dude, I know 5 fat people and you're four of 893 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,280 them, you know, and you're like, thank God for some of our 894 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,120 friends that'll just tell us how it is that then you'd be like, 895 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,480 you got to go do something. And we need those friends. 896 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,280 Like sometimes that's the only thing that keeps us from the 897 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,560 edge. Yeah, exactly. 898 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,440 Exactly. So I mean, my, my weight has 899 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,880 fluctuated. You know, I got that big and I 900 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,400 dropped a little bit of weight. And then there was a point in 901 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:23,440 time in my late 20s, I think it was like 29 or 30 when I started 902 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,360 working at this one job and I just dropped a ton of weight 903 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,120 because I was walking a lot while I was at work. 904 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,280 Just changed what I was eating, mind you, like the days before 905 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,800 that, I was living in my friend's downstairs apartment, 906 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,080 depressed, actually his basement apartment depressed with his 907 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,440 cats and everything, unemployed. And so I started working again 908 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,640 and started trying to build myself up again. 909 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,040 And I, I went from, at the time I think I was around 266 lbs to 910 00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,480 183 lbs in less than a year. I think it was like 10 months. 911 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,280 So I I understand what it means to, to focus and and to do 912 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,120 certain steps to, to drop that weight. 913 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,080 It becomes harder as you get older. 914 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,680 You have to try different things. 915 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,280 But I gained that back because even though I say it went from 916 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:21,920 266 down to 183, my weight loss journey recently started at 275 917 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,680 and that caught me off guard. Now I think the only difference 918 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,160 between now and then was that I was fat. 919 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,320 Like I was all fat. Like I wasn't muscly or 920 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,840 anything. When people look at or looked at 921 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,080 me when I was like 275, it looked like I was just like an 922 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080 out of shape football player. Like because in between that 923 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,240 time period when I dropped from 27266 to 183, I went back up to 924 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,720 like the low 2 hundreds because I started lifting weights. 925 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,640 So I, I'm still somewhat muscular, but I definitely like, 926 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,920 it's all like in my gut, in my sides. 927 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,920 So that's the, that's the main difference. 928 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,320 But just even knowing that I was up to 275 was not good. 929 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,680 And I can, I knew that like my life was, you know, I wasn't 930 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,160 sleeping as good, I wasn't feeling as good. 931 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,080 I was always indigestion, you know, stomach issues, stuff like 932 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,920 that. And then I think the biggest 933 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,280 wake up call because just before I went to the doctor, I started 934 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,720 exercising more. My wife started changing her 935 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,040 diet. But when I went to the doctor, 936 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,200 they confirmed my cholesterol was high and wanted to put me on 937 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,800 cholesterol medication. And that's when my wife was 938 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,960 like, no, we need to like step this up because I want you off 939 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,360 these meds. And I said, I agree with you. 940 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,120 So we started doing like vegan stuff and we started just 941 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520 experiment going on YouTube and looking at these different 942 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,960 strategies, different tips and trying it out. 943 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,960 And intermittent fasting has been a game changer. 944 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,400 And it's taught me a lot about control and and hunger. 945 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,320 So whereas you know, before it was just like, all right, you 946 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,560 cut back your calories. You just have to eat like maybe 947 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,000 a salad or, you know, take away certain things, but completely 948 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,680 restricting it down to like a couple meals a day or to focus 949 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,360 on that window when you can't eat. 950 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,800 In many ways, when I lost that weight that the 266 to 183, I 951 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,480 didn't realize that I was fasting, you know, because there 952 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,920 was a period where I was like, I learned about like a time window 953 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,800 for your stomach to digest food. And so I said, OK, I'm just not 954 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,400 going to eat past 4:30. So I didn't realize I was 955 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,240 actually creating a fasting scenario. 956 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,480 Yeah, no, that's how it works, right? 957 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,840 And you because you had filled your time with other things 958 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,600 instead of being either, you know, depressed or self absorbed 959 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,640 or concerned about a lot of it. You know, it's amazing that with 960 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,720 the more busy we are, the better off those things can be. 961 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,720 It can also go the other way 'cause you see a lot of people 962 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,120 that are really busy. Like you talk about your mom as 963 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,680 a nurse and, and I worked with nurses for a while and you know, 964 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,120 they, they eat terribly. Like there's nothing more common 965 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,720 than a massively overweight ER nurse who's just running from 966 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,840 patient to patient to patient for 12 hours on her feet. 967 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200 And then she's going to go just eat some trash like pop Tarts, 968 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,040 you know, and maybe a ramen heat cup. 969 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,960 And then she's going to go back to work and just eat just 970 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000 garbage, you know, calories. So there's, there is that weird 971 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,200 balance. You kind of have to be kind of 972 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,960 mindful. They call it hygiene. 973 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,160 You ever heard of that? Like sleep hygiene and, and 974 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,680 eating hygiene? It, it, it really is kind of a, 975 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,160 it's a cleanliness mindset about what kind of goes in and out. 976 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,120 And that interestingly enough, that's something I learned from 977 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,760 my father, which I'm, I'm lucky, I remember him always being 978 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,200 like, if you put trash fuel in, you're going to get trash 979 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,240 performance. This was a sports thing for us. 980 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,960 And I think a lot of people hear it, but they don't digest it 981 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,920 into their adult life. But you're, you're reinventing 982 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,960 that sort of thing. And I think, I think it's good. 983 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,640 And you can even look and, and if you're not watching our 984 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,760 rumble channel, you're not seeing this folks. 985 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,640 But Adam's, you know, his home is beautiful behind him. 986 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,120 It looks like, it looks like what my home looks like when my 987 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,160 kids are not losing their minds. It's very light and it's airy. 988 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,360 And often times our environment kind of reflects the way that 989 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,560 our, you know, that we take care of ourselves as well. 990 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120 It looks very positive to me. I'll come hang out in your 991 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,960 house. Yeah, I mean, that's all my 992 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,000 wife, yeah. Of course, yeah. 993 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,680 Because I'm, I'm always like, do we really need that? 994 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,840 She's like, yes, it would help with the ambience and this and 995 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,760 I'm like, fine. Fine, but but it feels good, 996 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,880 right? I mean it looks nice, The 997 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,960 flowers look nice every I. Can live, I can live just about 998 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,840 anywhere. So her decorating, I'm just 999 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000 like, OK, that's fine. You know, I kind of gave up on 1000 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,360 that. But no, I appreciate you saying 1001 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,640 that. She'll appreciate that as well. 1002 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,840 Well, she's done a nice job. It looks like a very inviting 1003 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,920 and warm place. And often, you know, a lot of 1004 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,200 times see this too. And maybe it's because the way 1005 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,760 that we, we find women and, and then we jive with them. 1006 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,720 But there's a certain amount of values that are projected that 1007 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,160 are in common. Like when I go into my friends 1008 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,400 houses and, and you know, we, we just started off talking about 1009 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,000 race initially you and I did, but all my friends that have the 1010 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,680 same values as me and they all look different because it 1011 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,160 doesn't matter. I've got, I've got three friends 1012 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,320 named Dave and one of them is black and one of them's, you 1013 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,600 know, from Taiwan and, and one of them is a white guy. 1014 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,440 And when you and you look at all the Dave's and it's like all the 1015 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,160 Dave's married wives that look differently, but their homes 1016 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,560 look similar. If you walk into it, I'm like, 1017 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,400 yeah, I'd live here. This looks like what my house 1018 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,920 would look like if I was in this house. 1019 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,440 And there's a, so there's a values that are projected by 1020 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,640 some of those things. And I think that's kind of the 1021 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,800 big difference. I've also been in houses that 1022 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,760 are horrific. And I know that the people that 1023 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,600 are in those houses don't have similar values, or at least 1024 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,000 they're not able to live by those values. 1025 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,280 You know, I've done search warrants in West Baltimore, 1026 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,760 which are some of the saddest places you could ever go. 1027 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,280 And you know, like, like I've seen, I've seen stairs that 1028 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,120 we've gone up where we've literally told guys that we were 1029 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,280 working with. We're like, hey, man, you can't 1030 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,560 climb those stairs. And they're like, why? 1031 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,360 I'm like, because you're over 200 lbs. 1032 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,440 And I'm not sure that the stairs are going to hold because I can 1033 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,160 see the floor below it, like through the stairs, you know 1034 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,160 what I mean? Like there are holes, there's 1035 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,880 daylight coming through that stairwell. 1036 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,360 And I don't want that for any of us. 1037 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,360 Or you talk to a girl who's living in a, in a, you know, an 1038 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,840 upstairs building and she's peeing into a hole in the floor, 1039 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,680 knowing that it's going into the ceiling below because she's 1040 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,400 scared of going to the bathroom, because she's scared of the guy 1041 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,680 she lives with. And so when you see that kind of 1042 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,080 stuff, you're like, OK, that's not, that's not normal. 1043 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,440 That's a very different animal than what we're looking at. 1044 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,400 And like I said, yours looks as bright and airy and it's 1045 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,200 beautiful. And it feels like somewhere I 1046 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,720 want to be. And it feels safe. 1047 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,240 That's the other big thing. It feels safe. 1048 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,080 It feels healthy. It looks healthy sometimes we 1049 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,200 can live those you know. You see that your your home 1050 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,960 environment inflect reflects the same thing. 1051 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,960 Yeah. And and this is also one of the 1052 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,160 things about that I'm learning about relationships and 1053 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,000 marriage. We complement each other. 1054 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,480 So where I'm weak, she's strong and vice versa. 1055 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,480 And so I understand that and she understands that as well. 1056 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,440 So she knows I'm not the best organized, so she helps me to 1057 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,280 organize. Sometimes I'm not the 1058 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,600 cleanliest, you know, I'll put it away later kind of person. 1059 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,720 And, and sometimes she's just, she can't stand this, so she'll 1060 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:49,920 just clean up from behind me, you know, but I, I don't do it 1061 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,760 intentionally. I it's just a, it's a habit or I 1062 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,680 just don't think it's as important because I'm working on 1063 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,000 something else. But at the same time, I'm 1064 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000 extremely logical. And so when she's going through 1065 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,680 something very emotional, she can come to me and I just like 1066 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,880 straight to the point and help her to understand what's going 1067 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,160 on. And so she could feel better. 1068 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,880 Whereas, you know, some people might get equally emotional and, 1069 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,640 and you're both just losing their mind. 1070 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,120 So I think men and women suit each other. 1071 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,040 And you know, I, although we're not really talking about 1072 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,640 relationships, but I just wanted to say that. 1073 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,640 It's, it's, it's important. It's part of, you know, I think 1074 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,800 it's central to identity. At some point, like at some 1075 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,200 point when you're a man and you're married, that is part of 1076 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,080 who you are. I drop, I drop stories about my 1077 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,680 wife all the time. My wife listens to my podcast 1078 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,160 and goes, you talk about me a lot and I'm like, you're 1079 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,280 probably the second most important thing outside of me. 1080 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,800 You know, 'cause like, who else you going to talk to all the 1081 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,360 time? Who else knows your mind but 1082 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,040 somebody who's been with you for however long, you know, you've 1083 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,360 been married. Who put the the glass shield 1084 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,800 over your book there in the in the corner? 1085 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,120 Who? Who set that arrangement up? 1086 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,120 That was my wife. Yeah, it looks like a it looks 1087 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,360 like a really beautiful display. I'm I'm really proud that she 1088 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,480 did it for you. Let's let's talk about the title 1089 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,120 of your book. And I think you've also alluded 1090 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,280 to a lot of those topics, but the the title is from black 1091 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,360 victim to black Victor. I like the, I like sort of the 1092 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,920 dichotomy there. I like sort of the the 1093 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,800 progression. Maybe tell people what they 1094 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,600 could find in your book if they was they're going to go read it. 1095 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,640 And I'm actually going to order it up. 1096 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,280 I actually want to read it too. I've been thinking about it for 1097 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,600 a while. I don't get a chance to read as 1098 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,840 many books as I'd like, but after talking, I want to hear. 1099 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,840 I want to hear more about it. Yeah. 1100 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,520 And then we'll get fired up and we'll talk vaccine mandate 1101 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:34,160 stuff, too. Oh. 1102 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,480 Yeah, the hard hitting stuff. That's right. 1103 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,200 I would say black victim, black Victor. 1104 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,760 It has a double meaning. It's talking about black culture 1105 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:52,600 and it's also talking about me. I'm talking about many things in 1106 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,200 the book. So I mean, there's a chapter 1107 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,840 talking about a little bit about my childhood and the impact of 1108 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,240 fatherlessness. So the reason I bring up that is 1109 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,080 because everybody is like, what's the biggest problem 1110 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,880 facing black Americans? And you know, and then leftist 1111 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,160 try to say, oh, you know, it's racism, it's discrimination. 1112 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,920 And like that has nothing to do with it. 1113 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,720 You know, a lot of people feel some face some sort of 1114 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,800 discrimination throughout history, but they did things in 1115 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,560 spite of right. And the type of behavior that 1116 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,880 were criticizing the type of behavior that we see as a 1117 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,160 problem has very strong leaks links. 1118 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,360 And it makes sense when it comes to giving some sort of 1119 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,280 behavioral analysis. Like we can talk about 1120 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,000 statistics and yes, you can use statistics of however which way 1121 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,480 you want, but there's certain statistics that are just 1122 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,680 undeniable. Like that has to mean something. 1123 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,280 When I say that the United States is number 1 is single 1124 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,320 parent homes, that has to mean something, right? 1125 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,280 Otherwise why? Why even keep track of that 1126 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,640 stat? And it's not very. 1127 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,080 Specific. In that case, it doesn't sound 1128 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,160 like. It's not very specific. 1129 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,360 Yeah, no. And and listen, some people will 1130 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,120 say like the even the topic of fatherlessness, it always comes 1131 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,800 back to black Americans. But there are more non black 1132 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,480 Americans who are going through this same type of family 1133 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,360 dysfunction, this family disconnect than black Americans. 1134 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,920 When I talk about these things, overwhelmingly the people who 1135 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,560 reach out to me do not look like me. 1136 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,480 And they're often the young men and young women who are hurting 1137 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,960 and they're ignored and they're being sometimes silenced to talk 1138 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,120 about these things feel like they can't talk about it in many 1139 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,880 ways because they feel that criticizing single parenthood is 1140 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,400 like criticizing their mother, right? 1141 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,840 It's to say, oh, she, she, it's her fault that the child isn't 1142 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,760 doing well. Well, she's part of it, right, 1143 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,920 just like both parents are. And so that's why in my book, 1144 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,160 I'm, I'm pretty fair. I criticize myself, I criticize 1145 00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,880 my mother and I criticize my father. 1146 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,600 And, and so it, it's not a, it's not a woman bashing, but it's 1147 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,480 just being very real and very honest about how it impacted me, 1148 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,760 how it's impacting all different types of men and women. 1149 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,240 There are times I'm not talking about race at all. 1150 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,760 I go back and forth between black and and just very general 1151 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,320 because we're human beings. And I think in the end, what I 1152 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,760 try to do is have people understand that we have more 1153 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:30,280 common than we do different The the, you know, the race, skin 1154 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,640 color, all these different things. 1155 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,160 These are just like, these are minor differences in humanity. 1156 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,480 I've been around people who look different than me my entire 1157 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,040 life, and I've been for the most part in America, treated with 1158 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,360 respect. I can name on one hand the times 1159 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,480 where I felt like I was being disrespected, not because of 1160 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,160 something that I did, but because of something arbitrary 1161 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,640 like my skin color or where I felt uncomfortable. 1162 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,480 I've lived in the South, Midwest, and the Northeast. 1163 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,480 I for the most part, I've always felt comfortable as a black 1164 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,120 American moving about this country. 1165 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:11,040 And I think a lot of times there is this instinct to say any 1166 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,320 negative interaction. Is because of something that I 1167 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,800 didn't do or something that is innate with me and it's my fault 1168 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,640 or, or it must be because of my skin color. 1169 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,800 You know, I, I use the example to people. 1170 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,720 If you go inside a, a Walgreens or CVS and the store attendant 1171 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,400 is rude to you, nothing you did is hey, where, where can I find 1172 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,440 this? And they have an attitude 1173 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,080 towards you. And then you leave that store. 1174 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,640 If you're a white person, you're like man, because that person 1175 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,400 was rude. But if you're a black person, 1176 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,480 you're supposed to say that's how they treat black people 1177 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,120 around here. Right. 1178 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:50,720 Right. Yep. 1179 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,800 Well, maybe that person did the same thing to everybody who 1180 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,720 walks in their head. Maybe they. 1181 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,280 Just had a bad day. They had a bad day. 1182 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,760 Maybe they maybe they're an absolutely horrible human being 1183 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,920 that is horrible to every person that they encounter. 1184 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,680 You have no idea. But I've met these people and 1185 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,320 some of them are horrible to everybody. 1186 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,040 Yeah, yeah, I know. We all have. 1187 01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:14,240 What you look like, right. So it's that kind of a little 1188 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,280 bit of racial paranoia to think that any negative circumstance, 1189 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,360 any negative outcome, you can't find a job. 1190 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,040 It must be because there's there's some sort of 1191 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,200 discrimination. I know plenty of white people 1192 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,680 who have had trouble finding jobs. 1193 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,000 You know. You know, we all have some sort 1194 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,560 of struggle, and this idea that someone struggle is completely 1195 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,680 unrelatable to another person's struggle. 1196 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,600 And it's just like we've all faced some sort of struggle in 1197 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:46,480 this world, in America. And, and I just, I find it very 1198 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:53,800 limiting as far as thought to think that we can't find some 1199 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,160 sort of commonality. And, and then also within the 1200 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,920 book, what I try to do is talk about the people who want that 1201 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,960 to be the case. I talk about the black upper 1202 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,000 class that want that to be the case, the Al Sharpton's of the 1203 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,960 world who want that to be the case and perpetuate this 1204 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,680 message. Meanwhile, they'll go around and 1205 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,880 pal around with the Clintons and everybody else. 1206 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,200 Yeah, Benjamin Crump comes to mind to me too. 1207 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,520 Like the race. Yeah, race hustling lawyers 1208 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,120 type. They have a lot of money wrapped 1209 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,320 up. And that being the case, at 1210 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,960 least that other people believe it's the case. 1211 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,360 Exactly. And I have a very smart Austrian 1212 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,520 friends who told me once you create an industry, it's hard to 1213 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,840 get rid of it. And that's much of what you see 1214 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,240 here. You have an industry that, for 1215 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,880 one makes money off of itself. It will never dispute itself. 1216 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,200 So the race hoax scenarios, which are there are real race 1217 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,240 hoaxes where people make up race crimes and those figures get 1218 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,040 involved. They never apologize. 1219 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,600 They never even acknowledge Tawana Briley. 1220 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,840 Al Sharpton will barely acknowledge that it was a fake 1221 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,080 scenario. Right. 1222 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,840 Meanwhile, this man had slandered people. 1223 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,280 He had destroyed the lives of officers. 1224 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,560 He, he, he had ruined the reputation of a ton of people 1225 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,400 back in the 80s because of this scenario. 1226 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,000 And yet he will barely acknowledge that he was wrong. 1227 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,120 Barely. Yeah, he just moved on and still 1228 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,120 makes science. Yeah, he's still got ATV show on 1229 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,280 it, right? Yeah. 1230 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,200 And so that's, that's the, that's the unfair reality of the 1231 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,400 world is that there are people who are malicious who will never 1232 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,000 get their come UPS comeuppance, like they will never get face 1233 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,720 some sort of repercussions for their actions. 1234 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,960 They'll just move on to the next person. 1235 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,280 You know, it's, it's a, it's a conveyor belt of black 1236 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,040 victimhood that they can just constantly make money off of. 1237 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,960 And you know, that's why, that's why I needed to write my book. 1238 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,120 I felt like I needed to write my book in 2020 because also to 1239 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,960 George Floyd, which is ambiguous. 1240 01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,560 Let's just take George Floyd off the table. 1241 01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,560 When you have a scenario like in Philadelphia, I don't remember 1242 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,320 the guy's name, but we have a scenario like Philadelphia where 1243 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,280 the mother calls the police to come to the house because her 1244 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,160 son is acting violent and acting irate. 1245 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:16,120 The police show up there, he has a machete and he chases the cops 1246 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,120 around the car. On video, he's chasing the 1247 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,520 police officer around the car with this machete with the 1248 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,520 intent to use it. So they shoot him and he dies. 1249 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,160 Then they riot over this and perpetuate it as some sort of, 1250 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,680 you know, victimless crime that was committed against an 1251 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,680 oppressed black man. It's this that's the most 1252 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,280 ridiculous thing in the world. No one would blink an eye if 1253 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,720 this person wasn't black. But there's money to be made by 1254 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,440 trying to link some sort of victim situation to the very 1255 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,160 people who hurt other people within black communities. 1256 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,320 The mother, who is a black woman, called the police for 1257 01:04:55,320 --> 01:05:00,840 their help, you know, because of, of someone who is acting 1258 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,400 violently. They didn't call help. 1259 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,520 They didn't call the police because they need to stop this 1260 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,320 black person. They called the police 'cause 1261 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,360 they needed help. It didn't matter that this 1262 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,760 person was black. So I mean, it's it's this idea 1263 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:18,040 that there has to be some sort of cocoon of race wrapped around 1264 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,160 every scenario or cocoon of identity wrapped around every 1265 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,640 scenario that's negative that happens. 1266 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,120 And I'm, I don't know if you want to go into it, but no, we 1267 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,600 can. Sometimes you're just an, A hole 1268 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,440 with a machete, like if you're an A hole with a machete, you 1269 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,000 get shot. That's like, you shouldn't chase 1270 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,800 cops with a big knife. It turns out to be a really 1271 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,160 dangerous move. I, I find it interesting. 1272 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,400 I see some of the exchanges between you. 1273 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,840 I think his name is Zeke Arkham. Is that his name? 1274 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,040 He's a former cop or he might even be a current cop. 1275 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,880 And, and, and I like his takes on things too. 1276 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,800 I, I tend to agree with a lot of them because I think they're 1277 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,360 very nuanced. I think they're, they're down 1278 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,120 the middle as far as my experience as well. 1279 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,480 You know, you talk about culture being the thing that drives us 1280 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,760 together. I, I went and actually performed 1281 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,600 a wedding and I wouldn't call it a black wedding, although my 1282 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,800 buddy is black and actually he told me he's multiracial. 1283 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,920 I just don't know what the other race is like, just like, because 1284 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,280 we never got into it. His mom's black. 1285 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,480 I don't think I've met his dad. So maybe his dad is Korean or 1286 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,760 something else. But, you know, so we, I went and 1287 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,520 I performed the wedding and I wanted to hang out with his, his 1288 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,440 uncles, who were all from from Los Angeles, from all kinds of 1289 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,240 parts of Lai did not want to hang out with his bride's 1290 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,360 family, who were all from New York. 1291 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,280 And they were all like these like East Coast libs and like, 1292 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,240 we had nothing in common. Like they were really judgmental 1293 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,640 people, you know, like, we may have the same skin color, but 1294 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,680 like, man, I don't want to talk to them. 1295 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,040 They suck. They, they were weirdos and they 1296 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,920 had all these weirdo takes on the world and they thought 1297 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,080 everything was, you know, this strange lens that I couldn't 1298 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,720 identify with. I want to go talk to the guys 1299 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,240 about things that I care about, which was we were discussing 1300 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,640 BBQ. We were assessing, you know, 1301 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,640 great weather in LA, how it was really hot in North Carolina. 1302 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:44,800 Like we had all this stuff in common. 1303 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,880 We were just just regular dudes, stuff that we were, you know, 1304 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,320 connecting about, you know, their, their, their nephew, 1305 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,080 who's my buddy was, you know, in the Army and I'd been in, in 1306 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,640 the, in the military. So we talked about military 1307 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,320 service and things that mattered and all those things were far 1308 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,640 more in common than anything that had to do with the way we 1309 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,680 look. Like I said, the people who 1310 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,200 quote UN quote, looked like me and I probably had very little 1311 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,440 in common 'cause we couldn't see the same world they were. 1312 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,600 They, you know, and also just people from New York are in own, 1313 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,240 you know, their own animal. As you probably know, there's a, 1314 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,480 there's that mindset that they're the only people in the 1315 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,840 world and their perspective is the only one that matters, which 1316 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,560 is terrible. Like I'd rather hang out from 1317 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,600 some, if you said you want to hang out with someone from 1318 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,520 Nebraska or New York, 10 times out of 10 I'm going to go with 1319 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,680 Nebraska. I don't even know anything about 1320 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,040 the person. I'll just pick that based on I 1321 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,480 don't want to hear any more New York stuff. 1322 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,640 I'm done with it. It's too much. 1323 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,160 So in any case, yeah, we can go down the rabbit hole. 1324 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,200 Let's let's go a little bit on there and then we'll talk about 1325 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,800 how that shapes your, your take on kind of how people have been 1326 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,920 going after the the vaccine mandate and now we're a couple 1327 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,120 years away from it. So now we're seeing some 1328 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,400 interesting, interesting virtue signaling, we'll call it, which 1329 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,280 I think is related. Well, the, the rabbit hole that 1330 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,120 I wanted to go down was so people understand, I used to be 1331 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,760 a Democrat, now I'm an independent. 1332 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,760 And so with me writing my book about victimhood and ideology, 1333 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:05,480 I'm very sensitive to all types of victimhood and ideology. 1334 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,480 And so now what I've become very keen to is like propaganda as 1335 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,400 well, because I propaganda helps push ideology and there's 1336 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,680 propaganda that exists on the right as well. 1337 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,920 And you've probably seen on Twitter, when I get in, I do it 1338 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,000 very seldomly, but I feel, I do it when I feel like it's 1339 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,080 necessary. When I point out to people that 1340 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,359 on right wing Twitter, right, we'll just use that as an 1341 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,319 example because it's the most political environment on right 1342 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:38,240 wing Twitter. I, I lay out to people, we know 1343 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:44,640 that not 100%, not even 90% of all crimes are committed by 1344 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:50,800 black people, right? Yet nearly 100% of the content 1345 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,640 of violence that exists on the right is of black people 1346 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,040 committing crimes. Does that not seem weird? 1347 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,800 Like just abstractly? Does that not seem strange to 1348 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,160 you? You're talking about the things 1349 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,640 that they are going to recognize that we're this is the this is 1350 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,520 the the 13 percent argument or the 6% argument that we see 1351 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,520 popping up, which always is a trigger for me. 1352 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,439 And I think you and I have had some exchanges about it as well. 1353 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,200 It's like, yeah, there there's some violent crimes and maybe a 1354 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,000 large, a larger percentage of violent crimes are committed by 1355 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,399 black people, but it's against black people. 1356 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,160 Yeah. Like that's the thing. 1357 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:29,840 That's the thing that's most importantly left out. 1358 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,240 It's like, who do you think the victims are? 1359 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,120 It's like they're coming into your house from some other 1360 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,279 neighborhood people, you know, offend the people that are close 1361 01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,120 to them. That's that's who people get 1362 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,080 injured by and it's someone in law enforcement. 1363 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,720 I know that for a fact. It's like, where were these 1364 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,720 crimes taking place? Oh, you deal drugs outside of 1365 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,279 your own house. You don't like, commute to a new 1366 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,520 neighborhood and then go cause problems there. 1367 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,479 You screw up your own house, your own neighborhood. 1368 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,800 That's what people do. You know, white collar criminals 1369 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,279 are stealing from people around them that, that are white collar 1370 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:55,840 as well. You know, they didn't go in like 1371 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,120 embezzled from the, from the hood. 1372 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,200 That's not what happens. So it, it's I, I think that's 1373 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,600 what we're getting at, right? It's like there's a nuance 1374 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,640 that's being missed and it makes for a talking point that's 1375 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,160 false. Well, it's being purposefully 1376 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,320 missed. OK, Yep. 1377 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,160 And I, and I think that there are perpetrators of propaganda 1378 01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:19,080 that want to stoke white victimhood complexes that are 1379 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,600 saying like, for example, we could talk about statistics. 1380 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,000 The statistics also show, like you said, overwhelmingly the 1381 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,440 victims of the crimes look just like them. 1382 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,200 Whether you're white or black, the victims on the crimes look 1383 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,360 just like them. Yet they will, they will hyper 1384 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:45,000 focus on the small fraction of let's say racial hate crimes. 1385 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,960 But it's not even necessarily racial hate crimes. 1386 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,360 It's crimes that are committed against someone who's not of the 1387 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,600 same race, right? That's what the FBI stat say. 1388 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,360 They don't say hate crimes, right? 1389 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,320 Hate crimes is a different stat altogether, but they want to 1390 01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:04,320 hyper focus on that. So if I show you 90 percent, 95% 1391 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,560 of all crimes that are violent are committed against people who 1392 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,280 look just like them. You're you're taking the five to 1393 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,240 10% to make your argument that they're out to come and get us, 1394 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,160 right. Well, it's, it's honestly, it's 1395 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,960 the same and it goes, it goes on both sides, right? 1396 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,560 Because when we see that on the left, they're talking about 1397 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,080 white supremacy being the domestic terrorists that are the 1398 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,920 most dangerous. But but how small a percentage 1399 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,320 are domestic terrorists that are, you know, white 1400 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,480 supremacists in this world? The, the homicide numbers are 1401 01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:36,440 like 77 / a decade and 77 people is too many people to die from, 1402 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,040 you know, something horrible like that. 1403 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,320 And yet more people are killed by their own lawn mowers every 1404 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,520 year than are killed in a decade of angry, you know, dangerous 1405 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,280 white supremacists. So we just have to like 1406 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,920 prioritize, is this really the threat that we need to put our 1407 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,040 money on? We need to put our time into. 1408 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,080 And, and I always get into this with people, you know, they, 1409 01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,440 they want to talk about guns and guns in schools and all those 1410 01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:56,960 other kind of nonsense. And I'm a big gun guy. 1411 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,560 So like, I'm, I'm going to push back on it. 1412 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,600 But I've always said if we've gotten down to the point where 1413 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:06,320 my guns and people like me's guns are the last thing that are 1414 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,560 keeping Americans from being safe in their homes. 1415 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,720 We figured out diabetes, we figured out heart disease, we 1416 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,560 figured out hypertension, we figured out drunk drivers. 1417 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,840 We've stopped medical malpractice and have, you know, 1418 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,280 500,000 people a year die from bad surgeries. 1419 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,040 And, you know, people that are surgeons that have been awake 1420 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,720 too long or whatever the hell the problems are if we solve all 1421 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,240 those things that we're down and it's just guns now that are 1422 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,440 keeping people from living their best lives. 1423 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,920 Let's talk about that. But when we get there, like, 1424 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,520 well, I'm #15 on the list, we got a bunch of things up above 1425 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,440 it that we should be probably talking about if you want to 1426 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,200 waste your energy on. But it's not. 1427 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,880 It's propaganda. And I think you're spot on with 1428 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,840 that. Yeah, exactly. 1429 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,960 They can notice. They'll talk, they'll talk. 1430 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,120 They'll talk per capita. When it benefits them, they 1431 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,320 won't talk about it when it doesn't benefit them. 1432 01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,560 They'll talk about, well, disproportionate when it 1433 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,920 benefits them and disproportionately not, but 1434 01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,080 they'll they'll go back and forth whenever it suits whatever 1435 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,040 outcome that they're trying to perpetuate. 1436 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,240 So like, for example, when we talk about police shootings, the 1437 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,480 shooting of unarmed black men, right? 1438 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,880 And, and people would be quick to say 2019, I think it was like 1439 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,760 13 of unarmed. And that doesn't mean that they 1440 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,480 weren't doing something. It just means that they didn't 1441 01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:20,600 have a weapon on them. So they were unarmed people who 1442 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,960 were shot by the police and killed. 1443 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,960 Out of the 330 million of people that we know of that live in 1444 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:32,720 this country, 13, right? But then if you talk to them 1445 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,600 about, well, how's that proportionate as far as black 1446 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,600 victims that were killed, or I'm sorry, let me rephrase that, 1447 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:48,600 proportionate as to how many black criminals exist within the 1448 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,200 black community. They won't talk about that, 1449 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,040 right? So they they have to perpetuate 1450 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,200 that 13. They have to say 13% to say that 1451 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:04,520 the demographic is responsible for the actions of the worst. 1452 01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,720 Right. They, that's what they have to 1453 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,560 do. And what I what I started 1454 01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,320 laughing about when I realized this and what I saw someone say 1455 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,560 something to me and whatever they were saying, I can't 1456 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,920 remember the exact words, but what they were saying was 1457 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,560 essentially collective guilt. So the people who scream about 1458 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,360 communists? Right. 1459 01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,000 Who want to, who want to scream about individualism? 1460 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,720 It's individual. Yeah. 1461 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,200 The equivalent would be saying that all white men are 1462 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,560 responsible for serial killers because the majority of serial 1463 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,200 killers are white males. Right. 1464 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,920 And they would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, that that's, well, I, I 1465 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,280 didn't, I'm not a serial killer. I don't know. 1466 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,520 No, that's not fair. You don't do that. 1467 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,520 And there's not very many serial killers by percentage either. 1468 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,480 There's a very, very small percentage of people that have 1469 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,320 that psychopath or that psychological condition that 1470 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,240 allows it. And yet, yeah, so it's funny. 1471 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,800 We lose nuance, right, when it suits us. 1472 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,320 And, and I, I think all human beings are guilty of that, 1473 01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,800 trying to, you know, that confirmation bias, which I like 1474 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,520 that you call it out. I try to do the same. 1475 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,120 I try to be aware of it. The other thing is this is 1476 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,480 there's a lack of humility that when someone calls you out on 1477 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,000 that kind of thing that you can accept. 1478 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,360 It's like, Oh yeah, I, I, I should change my mind. 1479 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,240 For some reason. Now we're all married to our own 1480 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:13,920 thoughts and think that we shouldn't evolve. 1481 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:17,040 And and if if you think that you know everything at 38 or I know 1482 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,960 everything at 41, we might as well just give up the ghost 1483 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,360 right now because if we're not going to keep learning or or 1484 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,400 realizing some of our own flaws. Like I think it's the purpose of 1485 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,600 what most of religion has always been around and we've lost that 1486 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,040 in this country. But that's sort of perpetual 1487 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,560 striving to be better. People used to do that. 1488 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,280 That was called grace. That was called that was called 1489 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,240 humility. And those were virtues. 1490 01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,720 And now it's like victimhood and self righteousness seem to be 1491 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,680 the virtues that are that are celebrated particularly on 1492 01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,000 social media. Exactly. 1493 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,760 You know, I, like I said, I switched my politics. 1494 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,680 I'm not so much like everything that I believe, but I've 1495 01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,720 switched my political affiliation to being like a, a, 1496 01:15:56,440 --> 01:16:00,760 a strong moderate Democrat to just being an independent who is 1497 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,840 who has some conservative viewpoints, who has some liberal 1498 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,480 viewpoints. It kind of just depends on what 1499 01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:07,960 it is. But even even since publishing 1500 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,000 my book and I, I like to write and just forget about it. 1501 01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,840 But there are some things I could probably go back in my 1502 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,880 book and I would update and maybe have more clarity about or 1503 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,880 maybe add in that I've evolved on since even just the two years 1504 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,520 that my book, my book has been out. 1505 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,440 Like life is about evolution. Life is about evolving and how 1506 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:30,840 you see the world. And I'm always trying to expose 1507 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,520 myself to different people. I, I've learned so much about 1508 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,160 things that I had no idea about within the past couple years and 1509 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,840 I had to have some sort of humility about it. 1510 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,320 I've had to have some flexibility as to how I see 1511 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,360 things. And I just don't understand when 1512 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:52,320 people don't you. Know it's just surprising. 1513 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,840 Yeah. It, it seems like a no brainer, 1514 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,360 but it, it's, it's, it's more common than not. 1515 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,880 I, I, we keep finding it. It's these people that's like, I 1516 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,920 know this thing. I'm going to continue to know 1517 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,360 this thing. Nothing you say can dissuade me 1518 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,680 because they're emotionally committed to it. 1519 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,120 And and I start making this argument that people on the, the 1520 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,920 political left, and I'm sure there's people on the right. 1521 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,640 I just don't deal with them as much that way that have that 1522 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,600 have created a religion around these these intractable tenants 1523 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,880 of their own beliefs. They cannot accept that there is 1524 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,800 any nuance to it, that there's any movement because someone 1525 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,560 told them this thing and now it is forever true. 1526 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:29,880 As opposed to saying, you know what? 1527 01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,040 I never thought about it that way. 1528 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:33,160 I love having I've never thought about it that way. 1529 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,360 Moments People tell me something and I go like, oh, I got some 1530 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,600 things to think about. Thank you for that. 1531 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,080 That's a that's kind of like a great human moment when you get 1532 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,320 to have that interaction with someone. 1533 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,200 You walk away and you learn something or you've you've added 1534 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,800 some a different facet to something that you thought you 1535 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,120 had it all figured out and you realize, well, that that shape 1536 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,320 that I had was pretty 2 dimensional. 1537 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,880 There's more to it. Yeah. 1538 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,520 For some reason people don't like, it's not encouraged. 1539 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,200 It's certainly not encouraged on social media. 1540 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,600 Nobody wants to have any grace on social media. 1541 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:02,000 Well, that's, and the people who ask questions generally want to 1542 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,480 learn something like that's the reason why you're asking 1543 01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,040 questions. And so the people who never ask 1544 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,400 a question, the people who are never inquisitive about 1545 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,120 something, who are always certain that this is the thing 1546 01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,440 and this is the way it should be. 1547 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,320 These are people that I tend not to gel with. 1548 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,360 I gel with people who are curious, and I gel with people 1549 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:25,560 who've had ups and downs in their lives who face some sort 1550 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,520 of turmoil. I gel with this these type of 1551 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,400 people. I try to find some sort of 1552 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,440 commonality with literally anybody. 1553 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,120 You know, I've been in rooms with donors, political donors, 1554 01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,040 and I try to find some way, you know, this guy is a millionaire, 1555 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:44,040 but let me try to find something you know, that I can find some 1556 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,560 sort of association with. Oh, you like this team, too? 1557 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,200 Oh. Oh, yeah. 1558 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:47,760 That's great. Yeah. 1559 01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,080 You know, you try to find something, but you try to learn 1560 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,440 from these people like it's, it's so easy on social media to, 1561 01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,960 to make people out to be the devil, to make the and listen, 1562 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,680 there are some evil people that exist in this world for sure. 1563 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,480 But man, like some of the people that you think are evil are just 1564 01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:10,200 like suffering individuals. Yeah, they probably, I mean they 1565 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:11,960 have to deal with them themselves every day. 1566 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,440 You only have to deal with them when you see them. 1567 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,880 What do you attribute that that instinct to go find commonality 1568 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,080 with with strangers? What do you where do you think 1569 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:24,520 that came from, if you've given it any thought at all? 1570 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,120 Yeah, I have a little bit, I think. 1571 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,240 I think if I'm to be honest with you, part of the reason why is 1572 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,760 because I've always felt a little disconnected from people. 1573 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,240 Like I wanted to be connected with people, but I've always 1574 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:46,920 been very quiet, distant, you know, it takes me a while. 1575 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,760 Well, especially when I was younger, it would take me a 1576 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:53,040 while to warm up to people. So I don't even know if it's 1577 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,200 like not trusting per SE, but just weary because I, you know, 1578 01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,360 maybe I don't want to get hurt or maybe I don't want to 1579 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,440 embarrass myself or, you know, things like that, you know, 1580 01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:07,560 always very unsure if I'm going to say the right thing, if this 1581 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,920 person's going to like me, you know, And I think when I started 1582 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:18,440 building my confidence, I wanted to take that step out. 1583 01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:22,680 I wanted to understand people. And I also learned that I'm not 1584 01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,440 the only person who struggled with this particular thing. 1585 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:29,400 Like we all have some sort of anxiety, you know, a healthy 1586 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,840 amount about different things. So I, I think I just wanted to 1587 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,720 learn more about, as I wanted to learn more about myself, I want 1588 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,280 to learn more about people. And that's kind of like what led 1589 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,120 to me to, you know, when I started traveling, the traveling 1590 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,840 aspect became less about the place and more about the people 1591 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,600 that I would meet. Yes, which is why I like, I've 1592 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:57,200 been to Germany 7 Times Now, whereas other people were like 1593 01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,760 oh I've been to Germany now let me go to this other place and 1594 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,600 you know, I, I'll tell you a quick story. 1595 01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:08,040 I went to Portugal and I was doing a walking tour and I met 1596 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,320 some some German tourists and we hung out for the night and had a 1597 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,360 great time. It was German, French, German 1598 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,040 and French tourists. We had a great time and we kept 1599 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:19,800 in contact. At least one of them kept in 1600 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,960 contact. We met up again when I went out 1601 01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,680 to Berlin, hung out, drank, had a great time. 1602 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:30,360 She just happened to be bouncing around America, was staying in 1603 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,560 New York City and picked her up from the train station in New 1604 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,080 Jersey. And we had dinner together. 1605 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,280 And I was like, she's like, how cool is this? 1606 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,320 Like we just came full circle and, you know, but because to me 1607 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,200 it was, it was less about like, I went to this place, like 1608 01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:46,560 that's cool. I like the buildings and 1609 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:47,880 everything. But it was more about like, I 1610 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,560 met these cool people who live a completely different life than I 1611 01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,080 do, who have a different view of the world than I do. 1612 01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:59,120 And, and I want to see their perspective and, and, you know, 1613 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,520 we just connected that way. So I think that kind of 1614 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,800 escalated even more for me, you know, to understand, like, I 1615 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,640 know very little about the world and I'm trying to figure it out. 1616 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:11,200 I, I met a guy on a plane one time. 1617 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,040 I think I was flying back from Amsterdam, but I don't actually 1618 01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,720 remember where I was flying. I might have been flying into 1619 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,360 the US. It was an international thing. 1620 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,960 This, you know, I was like 20 something years old and, and 1621 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,880 I'll never forget the guy's name because it was one of those 1622 01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,560 names you can't forget. His name was Moti. 1623 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,840 And I'm probably mispronouncing his last name, but he spelled it 1624 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,880 for me and it's shitrit, SHITRIT. 1625 01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:31,960 So I met this guy. He was Israeli. 1626 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,280 He had we were talking about Amsterdam and he was explaining 1627 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,680 about how he had this idea for like a worldwide charity that 1628 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,720 would bring people to Amsterdam to just see that all people can 1629 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,920 get along. And we all kind of want our kids 1630 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,240 to live a better life than we did. 1631 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,400 And they all, you know, all people have a lot of things in 1632 01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,000 common. It was just like really charming 1633 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,440 conversation, like two people that were just very open and 1634 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,200 about some stuff and, you know, young and idealistic in many 1635 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,520 ways too. But I'm, I'm curious and I'll 1636 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,640 have you reflect on it and probably no answer now, but 1637 01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,920 maybe, maybe you'll DM me later and tell me when I was growing 1638 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,920 up. And I grew up in a lot of 1639 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,720 different places as well. I lived in, I don't know, two or 1640 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,800 three different states, but I, I went to 10 different schools 1641 01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,960 before I got to high school. And I felt like I was always 1642 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,040 very good at doing the thing that you're talking about, 1643 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,160 finding that commonality. And I used it when I was a 1644 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,120 salesperson, too, because you got to make that connection 1645 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,840 immediately. I felt like that I had it 1646 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,000 because I was always the new guy and everybody else always knew 1647 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,840 everything about each other. And I had to go and establish 1648 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,200 that connection right away because I may not be there for 1649 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,520 very long. I may only have a year in this 1650 01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,320 place before I get yanked out and go to another school. 1651 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,560 This was my mom's neurosis in some ways. 1652 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,960 And it was my, you know, academic interest. 1653 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,280 We would just, you know, I went, like I said, 10 schools before 1654 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,640 high school. So I always was the new kid and 1655 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,800 I always was getting thrust in these situations where I didn't 1656 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,840 know anybody. And so you got a couple of 1657 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,760 seconds to try and re establish that rapport, that connection. 1658 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,080 The easiest way is finding out what we have in common. 1659 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,120 And then, you know, there's obviously a human nature of it 1660 01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,400 too. But people laugh because they 1661 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:54,800 always go, oh, you're so extroverted. 1662 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,400 And they go, I'm really introverted. 1663 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,560 My energy comes from being by myself. 1664 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,840 I could go for days without people and that'd be fine. 1665 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,360 I'd love to, you know, if you gave me a chance to like, go to 1666 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,400 a party or go to like a wood shop, I'd go to the wood shop 1667 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,840 every time and just, you know, cut and do that. 1668 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,400 But you learn that behavior, and it sounds like you've also 1669 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,840 learned it, and that I think you're probably an introverted 1670 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,320 guy as well, even though you're very good at discussing your own 1671 01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:16,800 thoughts and discussing with other people. 1672 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,840 Yeah, if you get like, give me the same type of choice. 1673 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,360 Go to a party or, you know, hang out by myself. 1674 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,760 I'd likely hang out by myself, but I also these days I 1675 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,880 recognize the importance of that skill set to go to the party and 1676 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,120 not feel self-conscious about going. 1677 01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:36,680 It's really important too. Yep. 1678 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,800 Yeah, and that's something that took me a while. 1679 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,360 And, and my son, like he's had moments where he's kind of like, 1680 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,240 you know, he feels uncomfortable and I'm like all that's normal. 1681 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,760 Like it's OK. I try to tell him and I, I tell 1682 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,360 other people who have anxiety because I've done this myself. 1683 01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:57,920 You ask yourself, what's the worst thing that'll happen? 1684 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,680 So I actually go towards it. And when you actually map it 1685 01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,760 out, like the worst thing that'll happen is like, I look a 1686 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,720 little bit embarrassed or maybe I might say something 1687 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,880 embarrassing, but nobody knows who I am anyways. 1688 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,240 Like it doesn't matter. I'm never going to see these 1689 01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:13,040 people again. So and. 1690 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,040 They have no reference. Only you have the reference. 1691 01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,040 Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so we used to, we used to 1692 01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,160 have this thing in the military, they'd say. 1693 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,000 But did you die? Yeah. 1694 01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,440 You know, it's like this, all this stuff happened, but did you 1695 01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:26,280 die? And it's like, well, no, I'm 1696 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,320 talking to you. And they'd be like, how bad was 1697 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,600 it really? Yeah. 1698 01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,040 There's a, there's a good, there's a strength in that. 1699 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,600 I and I'll, I'll tell you this and I think you'll also 1700 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,720 empathize with this position. I went through basic training 1701 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,240 when I was 27. I went through a bunch of 1702 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,400 difficult military selections at that age, 27/28/29. 1703 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,720 And a lot of the guys I went through it with were younger, 1704 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,360 17/18/19 years old, and they would quit. 1705 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,280 You know, you see like Navy SEAL training where they're out there 1706 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,480 in the water and you know, they go ring the bell and they quit. 1707 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,640 And a lot of guys would quit because they didn't have an 1708 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,560 extra decade of did you die experience. 1709 01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,160 And the older you get and the more life experience you have, 1710 01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,600 the more that you realize perspective that every rough day 1711 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,200 has ended. And, you know, I've gone without 1712 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,600 having any money in my, you know, I've gone a week without a 1713 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,880 without a bite to eat. I've spent time where I was, you 1714 01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,160 know, sleeping in my car or sleeping on my brother's couch. 1715 01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,400 And I had not a penny to my name. 1716 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,360 I didn't know how I was going to live. 1717 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,440 I thought it might die and all this other kind of stuff. 1718 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,480 And when you live through that and you didn't die, right? 1719 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,760 And it gives you perspective that you go to a party and like, 1720 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:27,920 somebody thinks that you're a goon. 1721 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,000 Like, I'll probably never see them again. 1722 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,960 And even if they don't like me, that's just one person. 1723 01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,800 And there's millions and millions and millions of people 1724 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,560 out there. So I'll probably be OK. 1725 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,760 And that seems important. You know, it's interesting that 1726 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,800 you bring that up because you know, some people say like, oh, 1727 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,080 Adam, you're brave for saying these things and and using your 1728 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,600 face and name. But like, I, one of the things 1729 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:56,520 that I thought about was I would, I didn't feel right not 1730 01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:02,240 saying something and looking at my son and telling him like he 1731 01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:06,280 should speak up when he feels that need to say something and 1732 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,640 I'm not doing it. So that was one thing. 1733 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,560 But the other thing was like, as I was writing it, I was 1734 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,880 preparing myself for the worst possible outcome. 1735 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,840 And the worst possible outcome I could think of was like, I've 1736 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,160 lose my job or something. Well, I've been homeless 1737 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,080 multiple times. I, you know, I've been broke 1738 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,560 multiple times. Like it sucks, but I've been 1739 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,160 there and I can get through it. And I think for a lot of people, 1740 01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,080 they see this as an act of bravery because they've never 1741 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,240 gone through struggle like that. Like they've probably lived in 1742 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,000 the same town their entire life. They grew up in the same home. 1743 01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:47,920 You know, they've had a pretty decent comfortable life and 1744 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,520 world history since, like, you know, you lived a pretty solid 1745 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,960 life and they're very fortunate because of it. 1746 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,880 But I think there's a level of risk that people who have been 1747 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,880 through something tumultuous or something chaotic throughout 1748 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,680 their life or, you know, just like having ups and downs, not 1749 01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:09,280 necessarily like something crazy, but just kind of going 1750 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,840 through stuff that makes you say like, I'll come out of it. 1751 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,560 And actually one last thing I'll say is it makes me think about 1752 01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,560 how they talk about successful people in business. 1753 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,840 Most of them have had a failed business. 1754 01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,080 Yes. And then they recover from it. 1755 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:27,480 Why? Because they failed. 1756 01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,240 And they learn from it and they say, well, I'm still here. 1757 01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:33,160 So and then they have time to kind of build up and try again. 1758 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,480 And then they have success. So they're willing to take that 1759 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:39,560 risk because they've already been through the worst of it. 1760 01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,360 That's right, yeah. The fear, the fear of losing or 1761 01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,200 the fear of failing goes away when you fail a couple times and 1762 01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,640 it doesn't kill you so. There. 1763 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:49,880 There is something funny about did you die? 1764 01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,840 I mean, it was juvenile. It was it was these are the same 1765 01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,760 guys that would like slap a drink out of your hands and say 1766 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,920 beat it nerd to you, you know, because it was just like a jock 1767 01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,760 meathead attitude. But did you die is is a a 1768 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,280 worthwhile question When we're talking about things that are 1769 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,400 really not that big of a deal, it really puts things in 1770 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,200 perspective. Most people don't have that 1771 01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,920 perspective and so they're scared and they're scared to put 1772 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,080 their name in their face out there. 1773 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,400 You and I, I've both done that. Maybe that's what I liked about 1774 01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:15,800 your, you know, the honesty that I saw on that and I didn't see 1775 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,880 it as uniquely. I, I just saw I was like, oh, 1776 01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,160 that's, that's what my tribe looks like. 1777 01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,120 My tribe are people that put their face to their opinions. 1778 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:25,200 They say strong things that are maybe controversial, but they 1779 01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,600 believe them and they're willing to back them up. 1780 01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,560 I had a guy named Ryan Riley, who's a writer for MSNBC. 1781 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,240 And my first podcast episode was just me sitting with a 1782 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,640 microphone. It was awful. 1783 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,800 I watch it and I just cringe and I didn't know what I was going 1784 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:38,960 to say. And so I just kind of rambled 1785 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,680 for 45 minutes. And one of the things I did, I 1786 01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,520 was talked about my position on January 6th, which I had some 1787 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,280 strong opinions on because I was a federal agent in Washington, 1788 01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,680 DC when all that goes down. And so he quotes me, you know, 1789 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,880 in his article like it was a hit piece. 1790 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:55,840 It was, it was meant to, to lampoon me and to, to character 1791 01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,200 assassinate me. And, and I, I retweeted his 1792 01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,080 article and I was like, everything that you said, I 1793 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,040 said, I said, and I said it in public. 1794 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,680 So I back it up like I'm not walking away from anything I 1795 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,880 said, like I recorded that publicly on purpose. 1796 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,640 Who do you think you're coming at, man? 1797 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,080 Like honest to God. And once you've done that a 1798 01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,680 couple times and you people come at you and you know, if it's 1799 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,200 your words and you stand by them, then what are they going 1800 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:18,080 to do? Say that you don't stand by 1801 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:19,200 them. That'd be the worst thing you 1802 01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,520 could do is walk away from your own real thoughts. 1803 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,920 Yeah, yeah. And, and to be honest with you, 1804 01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,680 I don't think I say stuff that's that controversial. 1805 01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,680 I say things that are pretty common sense. 1806 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,280 That is controversial today, though. 1807 01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,360 Yes, it is. In some ways it is, you know it. 1808 01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,120 But it's, I'm trying to think of the best way of kind of putting 1809 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:47,560 it like I'm not afraid because I don't really care. 1810 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:52,880 Like I could turn off Twitter and just move on, you know, and, 1811 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,560 and just live my life. You know, I just connected from 1812 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,800 Twitter for that week because I was like, I'm starting to care 1813 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,560 and I don't like that. My dad called me about that 1814 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,920 literally last night. And he goes, are you getting any 1815 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,440 value in going in these Twitter spaces? 1816 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:06,880 And I said, yeah, I connect with human beings. 1817 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,000 I talked about real stories. I hear their voice, you know, 1818 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,720 they, they react to me. I, you know, there's more 1819 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,680 followers that jump in and, and follow what I'm doing. 1820 01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,320 But I also, I'm able to do show prep and I get to hear what 1821 01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,160 other people are thinking about what's important to them. 1822 01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,320 So it allows me to do my show better. 1823 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,560 And he goes, OK, as long as there's a there's a goal and he 1824 01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,200 goes, you know, it's not real though. 1825 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,400 And I go, yeah, I know it's not real. 1826 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,640 It's not real. There's not like 100. 1827 01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,040 There's not 100,000 people in the world that just love me or 1828 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,680 think that I'm some sort of salvific figure. 1829 01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,040 Like there's 100,000 people that occasionally see something that 1830 01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,960 I write out there that might be snarky or it might be 1831 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,440 insightful. It's really important. 1832 01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:44,240 I I liked when you'd unplugged when you sent that message. 1833 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,080 I was like cool. And it gave us a chance to 1834 01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,320 connect off off Twitter, which I thought was cool as well. 1835 01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,480 But it's really important. Like I, I tell people all the 1836 01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,840 time, it's like, dude, go, go touch some grass, get outside. 1837 01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,280 I don't know what you're doing, but this is Twitter. 1838 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,160 You're not real. You're a number and A and a 1839 01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,040 couple of letters. You don't even have your own 1840 01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,400 face picture up. You don't have your own real 1841 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:02,600 name. Like, you're not a real person 1842 01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,280 to me, bot is just a nice way of saying that, but you're just, 1843 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:07,760 you're a coward. You're you're, you're an 1844 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,800 anonymous person yelling from a crowd of other anonymous people. 1845 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:12,960 Put your face to it and I'll talk to you like a person. 1846 01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:17,720 Yeah, yeah. It I just think it's funny. 1847 01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,200 I think it's funny. I don't I don't take Twitter too 1848 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,400 seriously. And the moment that I did, for 1849 01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,920 half a minute, I was like, I got to get off this place. 1850 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,920 Well, you know, I stay away from, I try to stay away from 1851 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,520 the activity. I try not to initiate arguments. 1852 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,600 I try to talk to people like I want to be talked to, you know, 1853 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:36,920 I, you're better. Than me on that one. 1854 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,400 I don't always do that. Yeah, I go pick a fight when 1855 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,440 people are at mostly when I think they're doing things that 1856 01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:43,720 are really dangerous. They're saying things that are 1857 01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,400 really that are really antisocial is probably the best 1858 01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,640 way to do it. Things that don't move forward 1859 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,680 our social experience in this country. 1860 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,560 I want to fight those wars, but it doesn't mean it's good. 1861 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,200 It it's, it's kind of dope. I mean, I mastered the art of 1862 01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,920 hitting the mute button on time. Yeah, well, that's the other 1863 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:02,760 thing. It's they're not real. 1864 01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,200 Like it's like you can walk away from them. 1865 01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,120 So that's not a real person. If you were really having that 1866 01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:07,920 argument, there would be some consequences, at least 1867 01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,440 emotionally, for having it. But those are real. 1868 01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:13,720 I don't, I don't want to invest that much into it. 1869 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,200 There's there's been so many times like I've, I've tweeted 1870 01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,120 something out that like pissed off the right and then they 1871 01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,960 start arguing and I say my, I add my further context to what 1872 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,880 I'm saying. And then like all the responses, 1873 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,000 the same responses. I'm like mute anyway. 1874 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,400 There's no, there's no upside. Yeah, exactly. 1875 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,200 Like can we get, what kind of tacos are we going to be 1876 01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,520 getting? That'd be really good. 1877 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,000 I like that. Sauce themselves. 1878 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,080 Anything, anything else is better than that. 1879 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,320 Well, you got fired up this morning and and that's kind of 1880 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,160 why we're talking about. It's something that I think we 1881 01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,240 have. We have different takes on the 1882 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,760 same problem. There was a vaccine mandate that 1883 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,600 went out in private industry. It went out in the federal 1884 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:50,920 government, it went out in the military. 1885 01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:57,160 And this was at least in, in the federal service, it was 1886 01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,080 Executive Order 14043. And they were some analogous 1887 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,760 ones that went out for, for independent contractors and 1888 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,960 different industries, mostly medical seem like, and 1889 01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,200 transportation related. And your wife was one of the 1890 01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,080 people that was in that position. 1891 01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,000 You use the word coercion. I really liked it. 1892 01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,760 Somebody came back and kind of virtue signal that at me and at 1893 01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,320 you, 'cause I, I shared your thread and they said, oh, if 1894 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,520 you, you know, you're not a victim, if you chose to get 1895 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:22,360 something, you could have, you know, lost everything. 1896 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,360 And the answer is, yes, you could. 1897 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,640 But how about a little bit of grace that you could have, a 1898 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,720 little bit of humility because if somebody takes your kid and 1899 01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:35,440 you give them money, you're a victim of being extorted for 1900 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:38,720 ransom. And and if somebody comes in and 1901 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,080 they take your private information and they ask for 1902 01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,040 money in order to keep it safe, that's called blackmail. 1903 01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,600 You're a victim of blackmail. And if somebody comes in and 1904 01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,680 tells you that we are going to disrupt the status quo in your 1905 01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,280 life and we're going to take your paycheck unless you do what 1906 01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:55,320 we say, that's coercion, right? And, and several, several of 1907 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,600 those are crimes just for what it's worth. 1908 01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,280 And so you had an interesting perspective on it. 1909 01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:01,680 Maybe share some of your thoughts. 1910 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,800 I got, I got our producer Ryan out here. 1911 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,320 Just kill it with like some great cartoons and memes. 1912 01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,600 End of the day, there's a lot of contention about this because 1913 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,240 everybody thinks they're one thing, but they're doing it from 1914 01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:13,520 these anonymous Twitter accounts. 1915 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,040 And so we don't know what their real story is. 1916 01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:20,280 Yeah, so and that's why and I got my wife's permission before 1917 01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:21,560 I even tweeted that out yesterday. 1918 01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,280 It's because it's her story really. 1919 01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,560 So the, it stems from someone saying that they're tired of 1920 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,280 these adults saying that they were forced into taking a 1921 01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,280 vaccine, they were enforced, they chose it. 1922 01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:44,520 And what was very I very interesting about that tweet was 1923 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,360 initially I, I didn't know who this person was. 1924 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,400 But the more it was explained to me about this person is that 1925 01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,960 this person is actually not a Covidien, not someone who's pro 1926 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,520 vax. But on the opposite side, there 1927 01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,280 is someone who's against mandates. 1928 01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,600 And what the, the reason of them saying this is because they're 1929 01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:08,280 furthering, they're furthering a message that it is the person 1930 01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,600 who was being coerced. His fault that the, that the 1931 01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:16,440 institutions in the state were getting away with it, right? 1932 01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,280 So it's your fault that you're being extorted, right? 1933 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,080 No victim blames. It's victim blaming. 1934 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,920 And they're saying you're not being forced. 1935 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:31,160 And when I say that's coercion, like if I come to you and say 1936 01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:35,560 either I will stab you or I will shoot you choose and and you 1937 01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,280 stab me because I say stab me, I can't, I'm not allowed to 1938 01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,360 complain that you stabbed me because I chose to be stabbed. 1939 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,440 Like it's, it's the most asinine thing and it's. 1940 01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:48,000 Not a. It's definitely not a genuine 1941 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,160 argument. It's it's, it's obviously 1942 01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:51,520 looking at things very myopically. 1943 01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,360 Right, right. And I and I said to someone, the 1944 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,760 only people who had a choice in that scenario were the people 1945 01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,400 who actually wanted the vaccine. See, to them, they had the 1946 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,400 choice because they wanted the vaccine. 1947 01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,280 But for the people who A did not want to lose their job and B, 1948 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,400 did not want to get a vaccine, they were forced into a 1949 01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,640 position. They were forced. 1950 01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,680 They didn't ask one day to, they didn't knock on their employer's 1951 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,720 door and say, Hey, could you put me in an unfair scenario where I 1952 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,440 get to choose between my economics and my, you know. 1953 01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,400 Imagine that scenario though. That would have been really fun. 1954 01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,600 I actually might do that with somebody at some point knocking 1955 01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,280 the door and be like, excuse me, can you put me to a hard choice 1956 01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,720 for all my chips right now that I haven't thought out beforehand 1957 01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,600 and I'm I'm not going to have a a good outcome in give me two 1958 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:38,920 bad scenarios that I could choose between. 1959 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:39,840 What? What do you got? 1960 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,880 Right. And then that it's to me that I 1961 01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,760 didn't think I would have to have this conversation because 1962 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,640 it's so common sense, it's so obvious. 1963 01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,200 And especially it'd be one thing to to argue with like the 1964 01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,480 Covidians who will rationalize anything. 1965 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,200 I love that you're using that word too, by the way. 1966 01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,960 Yes, the branch Covidians, they are it. 1967 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:08,000 It's one thing to to argue with them because for many of them, 1968 01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,960 they're so ideological about it that they'll rationalize 1969 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,000 anything, any action to to further the outcome that they 1970 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,320 want, they'll just rationalize it. 1971 01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,080 But I'm not arguing with those people. 1972 01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,320 I'm arguing with the people that I should be on my side, or at 1973 01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,280 least should be understanding and should get it, that this is 1974 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,440 a unfair position to put anybody in. 1975 01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,320 These, some of these people are the same people who claim to be 1976 01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,080 limited government conservatives or libertarians who talk about 1977 01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,160 free will. How is it free will? 1978 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,320 But you're giving me a choice between two things that I didn't 1979 01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,840 ask for that I don't want. How is that free will? 1980 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,800 And I and I saw these words being used. 1981 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,440 No, you had the free will to to either be homeless and and 1982 01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:51,920 unemployed and have your kids starve or get the jab like I, I, 1983 01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,560 yeah, I'm. Going to have the same 1984 01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,040 conversation with people on the loony left about abortion. 1985 01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,280 It's like, well, apparently you don't like the fact that you 1986 01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,000 could move to another state if you're so in favor of abortion. 1987 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,000 If that's so important to you, you can move to California and 1988 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,880 deal with their tax structure and all the other crappy things. 1989 01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,360 You don't get to stay in Texas and have California laws, 1990 01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:09,840 though. Does that seem fair to you 1991 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,240 'cause like that actually is the way our, our constitution was 1992 01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,280 set up. That's, that is the document 1993 01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:15,960 that we all kind of have to listen to. 1994 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,360 But when it comes to the government's going to come down 1995 01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,720 and tell me, I had a guy that was in it, like he continued on 1996 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,640 discussion after, after you and I kind of, you know, share this 1997 01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,520 thing out. And he was like, wow, some 1998 01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,400 people in the military, like, you know, they're, they're 1999 01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,040 authorized and required under UCMJ. 2000 01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,640 I'm like, I was in the military. I was enlisted. 2001 01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,480 There's a thing called a waiver. You don't lose your Title 7 2002 01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:36,440 protections to religious liberties. 2003 01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:39,600 If you have a religious objection, which I did you, you 2004 01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,040 don't have to do it. You know, it's real easy. 2005 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:42,960 Like they have to evaluate it. And we know that wasn't 2006 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,240 happening in a fairway. And then I also funded A lawsuit 2007 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:47,480 that proved that that was the case. 2008 01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:50,840 The 5th Circuit is to said that this was no good and they pulled 2009 01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:52,240 it from the federal government's mandate. 2010 01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,400 You know, doesn't mean that I didn't get, I don't get my job 2011 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,280 back, you know, but I'm one of the few people who this is my 2012 01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:00,800 name in my face. I went out and did the thing I 2013 01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,920 said and I went up to my boss and I said I'm not going to do 2014 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,040 this. And also, by the way, I'm not 2015 01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,760 going to test for COVID every 72 hours because I think that is a 2016 01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,560 genocidal path. I think that is the first step 2017 01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,920 to othering and to divorcing us from our commonalities and 2018 01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,880 making me something that I am not, something very, very 2019 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:19,880 different. And I said I've got a top secret 2020 01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,000 clearance. I've been a paramedic for a 2021 01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,440 decade. I'll stay home if I'm sick. 2022 01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,400 Is that good? If that's not good, I shouldn't 2023 01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,520 work here and turns out I don't work there anymore. 2024 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,680 That's OK. You lose, you lose your job over 2025 01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,360 that kind of stuff. But very few people took the 2026 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,680 same stand that I did, and I don't hold them accountable for 2027 01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,360 it. I'm not mad if you got the shot 2028 01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,320 and you didn't like it. I'm very sympathetic to people 2029 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,440 that did that. It was a real rough thing and 2030 01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:41,360 the only reason why I was able to do what I did is because my 2031 01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,040 wife and I went. This house is just a house. 2032 01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:46,920 We have money in the bank. They can't starve us out. 2033 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,560 We're going to be OK. Someone's got to take a stand. 2034 01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,560 It's going to be us. And it's just, it's almost 2035 01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:53,200 exactly what you said earlier about your son. 2036 01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:56,320 It's like, if you're not going to be the example of stepping 2037 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,680 out and saying the thing that you know is true, how are you 2038 01:40:58,680 --> 01:40:59,920 going to tell your kids to go do that? 2039 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:02,040 And so for me, that was an easy answer because I got little 2040 01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,960 kids, so I did. But, you know, God forbid I tell 2041 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,200 everybody they have to act the way I did. 2042 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:07,600 Like, that'd be a really crappy world. 2043 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,360 I don't want to live in a world full of Kyle Sarah, if it's to 2044 01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,520 be fair. And I've seen, I've seen the 2045 01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,880 same type of people, you know, the people who speak out and 2046 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:20,680 like, like me and you who use our faces to say like, everybody 2047 01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,960 needs to do these things. Like, no, for one, everybody 2048 01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,440 shouldn't. Have you heard the takes of some 2049 01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:27,800 people? Yeah. 2050 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,800 No, we definitely they shouldn't. 2051 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,960 Everybody shouldn't vote either. Like some people should just 2052 01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,880 take it like realize they don't know what they're talking about. 2053 01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:35,200 Maybe they shouldn't have a way in, but. 2054 01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:39,560 Right. But listen, if you feel called 2055 01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,440 to do it, I'm a free speech advocate. 2056 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,080 I advocate for people to use their voice. 2057 01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:48,200 If they feel called to do so, just like I did, then do it. 2058 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:52,400 But I'm not going to bemoan people like, why am I the only 2059 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,280 one who's saying something like very high and mighty position? 2060 01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,440 And I've seen people do that. So like, even with us talking 2061 01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:03,320 about these anonymous accounts who want to talk about being 2062 01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:08,000 brave, it's not to say anonymous accounts are necessary or to to 2063 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,400 shit on anonymous accounts. But I, you know, I use it as my 2064 01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,160 example in that thread. This person is behind an 2065 01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:18,080 anonymous account talking about how they would rather live in a 2066 01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,200 shack and how brave they would be. 2067 01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:22,920 Meanwhile, I don't even know what their name is, what they 2068 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:26,480 look like. Yeah, real brave of you. 2069 01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,520 You're so sure, even though you weren't put in that position, 2070 01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,640 you're so sure that you would do these things. 2071 01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,280 And it reminds me somewhat of I've been around. 2072 01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,560 This is not a shot at gun owners or anything like that, But 2073 01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,240 there's you've and you've probably met these people. 2074 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:45,560 They're, they are gun owners who are especially, they're usually 2075 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,760 like really like crazy gun gun owners. 2076 01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:52,080 But like, there are gun owners who are let somebody walk on my 2077 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,600 property, man, I shoot them as soon as one foot hits. 2078 01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:59,960 They speak so flippantly about taking another person's life 2079 01:42:59,960 --> 01:43:02,360 that you clearly know that they've never done it, never 2080 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,120 been put in that position to do it, because anybody who has 2081 01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,880 actually been in that position, they are messed up from it. 2082 01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,160 They, it is not something you play with unless you're a 2083 01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,640 murderer. See, murderers and sociopaths 2084 01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,680 don't care. So unless you're trying to tell 2085 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,520 me you're a sociopath and you don't care, then you wouldn't 2086 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,640 play around with this, this situation that you've never 2087 01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,640 purposely been in. You would you would be shaking, 2088 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,200 holding that gun like every normal person would be. 2089 01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:29,960 So stop acting. Like, and I've been in the 2090 01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:31,800 scenario where it's like, do I shoot this person or not? 2091 01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,760 You know, there's not a lot of people that can do to say 2092 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,840 they've been in that that realm. I have some, a lot of police 2093 01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,480 officers, a lot of law enforcement in general get 2094 01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:40,080 there. It's not something you look 2095 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:41,760 forward to. And there's a lot of other 2096 01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:43,880 things that weigh in. When I was in Portland, I had 2097 01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,480 Antifa surround my vehicle and I had my my hand on my weapon in 2098 01:43:47,480 --> 01:43:50,600 the dark with six people, men and women, surrounding my 2099 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:54,280 vehicle wearing what looked like body armor aggressively. 2100 01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,480 And I was miles away from any protest. 2101 01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,080 They had sought me out on purpose, and that's OK. 2102 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,400 And I had to make a decision. If one of these hands comes up, 2103 01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,160 I'm going to shoot that person. If they come out from be 2104 01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,920 underneath their waistband, I'm going to have to kill this guy. 2105 01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:10,960 But I don't want to. That's not a thing that anybody 2106 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,440 should be excited about. And I probably could have 2107 01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:16,520 articulated with some of the movements that they did why I 2108 01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,040 did it. I also felt like my agency 2109 01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,080 wouldn't back me up. And so you make a lot of 2110 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,160 calculations in a very, very short amount of time. 2111 01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,880 And I took a little bit more risk with my own personal safety 2112 01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,480 because of that. Simply knowing that this was 2113 01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:28,720 something you can't walk back from. 2114 01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,920 That is a permanent decision. And yeah, you talk about 2115 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,360 sociopathy. If you're, if you're out there 2116 01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,680 and you're like looking for a for an engagement one, I think 2117 01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,360 you're full of BS. Most people who say that have 2118 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,280 never done it. And then those of us that have 2119 01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,040 been put in that situation, I know what the threshold is. 2120 01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,240 If you come into my house at 2:00 in the morning, if you kick 2121 01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,840 down a door, my babies sleep upstairs, I will kill you before 2122 01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:50,280 I decide to like have a discussion with you. 2123 01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:51,680 That's not what I'm doing. We're not talking. 2124 01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,480 But if you knock on my door at 2:00 in the morning, I might 2125 01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:56,080 answer it or talk to you through the door and see how you're 2126 01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:57,680 doing. Because that's a weird thing to 2127 01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,400 do, right? So you've made a decision, then 2128 01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,040 you're going to trigger my decision that that that's 2129 01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,000 already been made. That's a very different animal 2130 01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,360 than someone walks on my property. 2131 01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:06,440 It's like, man, that's not worth shooting somebody over. 2132 01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:08,920 There are things that are worth shooting people over. 2133 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,080 And some of us have been close to that scenario or in that 2134 01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,360 scenario, that's that's a serious decision that serious 2135 01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:16,320 people make. Yeah. 2136 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,880 I'm not a big fan of of blustery talk for gun owners. 2137 01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,040 I made some strong statements the other day that if somebody 2138 01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,840 wants to come and hunt down my kids, like, you know, we'll bury 2139 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,560 you here at Liberty Hill in, in Texas, like, and I mean that if 2140 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,280 you come after my kids, I will end you. 2141 01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,120 That is an easy discussion. But that is not the same thing 2142 01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:32,440 as somebody walks on my property. 2143 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,640 How dare you violate it. You should have shot those cops 2144 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:36,280 when they came before they even knocked on the door. 2145 01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:39,080 It's like, 1, you can't live your life like that. 2146 01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:40,560 And two, like, you're a crazy person. 2147 01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,240 Maybe you should. Maybe you should get some 2148 01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:44,320 therapy. You got some things to talk 2149 01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,240 about. Yeah, exactly. 2150 01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:55,880 And so it it's just dealing with people who we're just dealing 2151 01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,400 with irrational and right fighters, right fighters. 2152 01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,320 Yeah, yeah. They just want to be right. 2153 01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:06,240 They want, they want to say that if that was me, I would have 2154 01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:07,520 done. You don't know what you would 2155 01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,480 have done that's. Right, I just I call them in the 2156 01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:10,840 least. Favorite questions? 2157 01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,000 It's. The supreme confidence of the 2158 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,360 untested is what I always call it. 2159 01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,360 There's a lot of FBI agents that met that are like that. 2160 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,440 They know what's right, but they've never been tested. 2161 01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:20,360 So how do they really know? You don't know how you're going 2162 01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,040 to react. And I told you that story about 2163 01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:23,960 me getting pulled off the wall. I did it before we taped this 2164 01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:25,840 thing. But but it's that you don't know 2165 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,640 what you're going to sound like when you fall to your death 2166 01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,040 until you fall into your hypothetical death and survived. 2167 01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,400 And then people go like, yeah, man, you sound like this. 2168 01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:34,920 And and so you've been put to that decision for your chips and 2169 01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,200 your wife experienced it and she made a call. 2170 01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,080 Who who can say what? All the calculus that went in 2171 01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:43,880 your wife's decision other than your wife, That's it. 2172 01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:45,880 Nobody, nobody can. And nobody's accountable. 2173 01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,320 And all these people, a lot of them will, will claim to be 2174 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,680 Christians. You know, I'm just saying 2175 01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,600 there's a lot of. People there all other topic. 2176 01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:56,200 They all claim to be Christians, but the most fundamental 2177 01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,120 Christian rule is, and I've, I've had this discussion about 2178 01:46:58,120 --> 01:46:59,800 whether it be gay rights or trans people. 2179 01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:01,720 And you know, I have a lot of personal feelings about a lot of 2180 01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:03,240 those things, mostly about my kids. 2181 01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:07,080 But the Christian position is, and it's, it's a good position 2182 01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,360 even if you're a secular humanist. 2183 01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,320 Remove the speck or the the plank from your own eye before 2184 01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:12,680 you go after the speck and your neighbors. 2185 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:14,880 You know that that is the Christian position. 2186 01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:18,520 So how about judge yourself 1st and if you find yourself to be 2187 01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,360 totally without sin and you want to start throwing stones, OK, I 2188 01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,520 got some questions for you though. 2189 01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,040 How well did you examine that conscious? 2190 01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:25,960 Because we're all full of a lot of failures. 2191 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:28,720 That's the human experience. That's the one thing we do all 2192 01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,280 have in common, I would say. Yeah, exactly. 2193 01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:36,200 I will say the one person that did make a choice in this 2194 01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:41,840 situation and see my my whole thing about the mandates was if 2195 01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,720 someone's already employed, it is unfair to put them in a 2196 01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:46,920 position to choose between this thing. 2197 01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,680 Yes. That's unfair position. 2198 01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:55,280 Now if you say for all new hires you must meet our requirements, 2199 01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:57,400 that's that stuff has always existed. 2200 01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,800 That's fundamental fairness. That's fairness. 2201 01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:03,040 You say you want somebody with a a bachelor's degree. 2202 01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,040 All right, Well, that's some sort of restriction to this job. 2203 01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:06,360 They have to have a bachelor's degree. 2204 01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:07,080 Yep. Right. 2205 01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,000 If they need a vaccine to get this job, they need a vaccine. 2206 01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:16,000 When I was working at my old employer, I refused to get the 2207 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,560 vaccine because I refused to be forced to get it. 2208 01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,800 I was in a wait and see. Let me see how this turns out. 2209 01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:23,480 Let's see how this goes. Yep. 2210 01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:28,400 But when the whole Osha's decision was coming down and 2211 01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,000 they finally dropped it and I was like, thank God because I 2212 01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,520 did not want to go through the weekly testing nonsense that 2213 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,720 they were about to implement that our our employer was like, 2214 01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,600 I don't want to do this. And they were about to, they 2215 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,960 were about to implement it. But when I wanted to leave the 2216 01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:46,880 next job that I found, which is the job that I ended up taking, 2217 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,400 they said in order to work here, you have to have the vaccine. 2218 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,520 Then I got to make the choice. Then I made the decision. 2219 01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,800 I, I, I weighed the risk of the possibility of having some sort 2220 01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:04,080 of negative outcome versus versus moving on into something 2221 01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,440 that's a better opportunity for myself and my family. 2222 01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:10,320 So I made that choice. I took that risk and I turned 2223 01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,280 out to be OK from doing it, but that was it. 2224 01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:16,840 But I wasn't forced into that position, right? 2225 01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,800 I could have stayed up my job, but wasn't getting fired. 2226 01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:22,360 I could have stayed there. It's it's kind of unfair to have 2227 01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:25,280 it as a requirement, in my opinion, sort of unfair. 2228 01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:27,120 It shouldn't be. But you know what, it's their 2229 01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:30,640 prerogative as a, as a private company to say to cover our 2230 01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,120 hedges. And especially because we 2231 01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,560 service clients, to have people who are going to our clients 2232 01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,800 locations, they should be vaccinated so we don't have to 2233 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:40,600 deal with any other BS or headaches. 2234 01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,840 So I get it and I comply with it on my own fruition. 2235 01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:49,360 That's right. But for for me to already be 2236 01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,800 working there, like what's crazy is my, my wife worked at, she 2237 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,440 worked at a healthcare institution. 2238 01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:56,400 She worked through the entire pandemic. 2239 01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:57,760 That's the other big piece of it. 2240 01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,040 And I was in the same boat. I travelled. 2241 01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,480 I was in 120 nights away from home in 2020, like doing 2242 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:07,760 surveillance on bad guys, doing my job all over the place, away 2243 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:09,680 from my family when they locked down Virginia. 2244 01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,880 You know, my wife was all by herself with little babies and, 2245 01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:15,840 and I and nobody stopped me. Like I was on planes left and 2246 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,720 right. I was in 18 different states in 2247 01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:19,840 2020. Nobody seemed like a little bit 2248 01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:21,760 concerned about whether or not it was safe for me then. 2249 01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,120 And suddenly when I'm like, you know, working in New Mexico two 2250 01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,600 years later, now we got to have this requirement. 2251 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,280 And I found that to be very unfair as well. 2252 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,240 And so I agree with you. It's like nobody took into 2253 01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:34,680 account, hey, did you just go through an entire experience 2254 01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:38,080 keep showing up to your job? Like how are you going to make 2255 01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,200 that argument to the person that has showed up every single day 2256 01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,400 for work, healthcare, transportation, law enforcement, 2257 01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,240 critical jobs, stocking shelves at Walmart? 2258 01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,440 How are you going to tell that person suddenly they're no 2259 01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:50,400 longer safe to be there after they've been doing it for 18 2260 01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,840 months in in one condition and that the conditions are suddenly 2261 01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:54,240 changed? There's no way you can't make 2262 01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:57,360 that argument in in good faith. Not at all, not at all. 2263 01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,480 And I, I think ultimately that's the point I was trying to make, 2264 01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,520 that this is this entire situation. 2265 01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:07,080 As much as they want to, this person wants to point fingers at 2266 01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:08,600 the people who are being coerced. 2267 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,400 Because my argument is that whether you took the vaccine or 2268 01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:15,240 you took unemployment, you're the victim of tyranny. 2269 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,320 Neither of them are. And you're not a winner if you 2270 01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:22,160 chose either one. You're a victim of the tyranny 2271 01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,400 that is a hand. So for someone to have anger 2272 01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,480 towards the person who is being forced into this position that 2273 01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,880 they didn't ask to be placed in more so than the people who are 2274 01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,200 putting them in the position, I have a problem with that. 2275 01:51:35,480 --> 01:51:36,960 That doesn't make any sense to me. 2276 01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:40,040 So I, I don't, I don't know where it stems from. 2277 01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:42,760 I don't know if it stems from ego of wanting to feel more 2278 01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:47,080 righteous because you would have done something different or that 2279 01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,520 you maybe you made that decision to not get it. 2280 01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,480 And you, you said I took a stand. 2281 01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:53,600 Do you want to just feel special about yourself? 2282 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,000 But that doesn't make you any better or worse than anybody 2283 01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,800 else. You're equally as a victim for 2284 01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,360 being placed into that position that you should have never been 2285 01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,000 placed into. And and that ultimately is the 2286 01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,600 point. So my, and one last thing I'll 2287 01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:11,400 say is the the worst and most disingenuous statement that 2288 01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,560 people will say is that they chose money over health as if 2289 01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:20,240 they were some fat cats. You know, they just chose the 2290 01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,960 status quo. They were choosing to work at 2291 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,800 the same place they've always worked. 2292 01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,760 Like they, they chose money as if they were just gambling at, 2293 01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:33,520 at Atlantic City. No, they chose to, to it's, it's 2294 01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,320 a wildest statement that, and so many people have said this, they 2295 01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,880 chose money over their health. No, they were forced into 2296 01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:45,640 choosing an unfair decision between two things they didn't 2297 01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,880 want as a completely different scenario. 2298 01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:56,480 So it and yeah, without me going on and on, I just wanted to, I 2299 01:52:56,480 --> 01:53:00,120 had fire this morning. I just wanted to make the, the 2300 01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:03,680 statement known that people like my wife, not just my wife, but 2301 01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,320 people like my wife, I hear these stories all the time how 2302 01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,320 they were forced into this unfair position, how they their 2303 01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:13,320 entire lives change because they were forced into making the 2304 01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:14,680 decision They didn't want to make. 2305 01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,120 How they, they said, OK, fine, I'll take it. 2306 01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,000 And then they had all types of medical issues. 2307 01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:21,160 They said, fine, I won't take it. 2308 01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,000 I'll get fired. And they have all types of 2309 01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,480 terrible economic issues that happened afterwards. 2310 01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:29,280 These are people who are the victims of tyranny. 2311 01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:33,560 Yet for whatever reason, there is a group of people who feel 2312 01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:38,040 like they have to be so arrogant about themselves of what they 2313 01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:40,960 would have done, or maybe some of them did do it and how the 2314 01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:44,720 rest should stand up against tyranny and stand up against 2315 01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:45,880 everybody. As if. 2316 01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:50,920 As if Has anybody ever gathered 10 people for a party and see if 2317 01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:53,360 all ten of them show up? They think they can gather 10 2318 01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,240 people in an office building and say, hey, listen, you're all 2319 01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,840 going to risk losing your jobs if we all just band together. 2320 01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,280 OK, let's see how that works out. 2321 01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:04,800 Yes. Look, it's just fucking fantasy 2322 01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:05,200 talk. It's it's. 2323 01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:07,800 It's the prisoner's dilemma situation. 2324 01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:11,000 This is very this is a classic psychological problem. 2325 01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:13,160 I'm glad I can leave you fired up. 2326 01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,200 I think that's a good way to leave it all rolled up. 2327 01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,160 This is what you would call wrong speak. 2328 01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,680 I think that's where I think your name comes from on on 2329 01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:23,320 Twitter, your handle and let people know where they can 2330 01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:24,720 follow it. If you want to hear more honest 2331 01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:27,880 discussion, the honest writing, infreflection and and humility. 2332 01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:29,400 I think there's a lot of humility in the way that you 2333 01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,200 present things. Tell people where they can find 2334 01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:32,280 you. I know we have very different 2335 01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,280 audiences that can that'll be able to come in and look into 2336 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,440 your sub stack and things like that. 2337 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,640 Yeah, so definitely on Twitter, I'm the most active there at 2338 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:46,120 Wrong under score Speak. I have a subsac account, Adam B 2339 01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:51,000 coleman.subsac.com or you can go to www.adambcoleman.com. 2340 01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:52,600 Either way, bring it to the same place. 2341 01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:55,000 I'm also the founder of Wrongs to Publishing. 2342 01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,360 So we published articles, opinion articles, and we just 2343 01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:00,760 started getting into news as well and we'll be expanding in 2344 01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:04,080 the books department soon, hopefully later this year, 2345 01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,560 publishing another book besides my own. 2346 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:11,120 You can go to wrongspeak.net. To find out more information 2347 01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:14,400 about our team. You can go to our sub stack. 2348 01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:17,800 That's primarily where we put everything and that is 2349 01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:22,040 www.wrongspeakpublishing.com. And I'll send you over to our 2350 01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:25,080 sub stack and you can read all our articles from different 2351 01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:26,520 people. If you want to be part of it, 2352 01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:30,080 you can definitely send us the e-mail submissions at 2353 01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:34,320 wrongspeak.net if you want have an opinion article, and we're 2354 01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,080 starting to take news tips as well, so definitely send them 2355 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:38,560 in. Excellent stuff. 2356 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,680 And and you have a podcast as well that you do, is that 2357 01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,600 correct? Sort of it's like a it's a 2358 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,360 podcast I have on my sub stack where I kind of rant whenever I 2359 01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,160 feel like I want to rant. I love it. 2360 01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,800 That's that's a good outlet. That is a good outlet. 2361 01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:54,240 All right, well, folks, you can check those things out. 2362 01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:55,640 We'll put them all in the show notes. 2363 01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,200 I do want to say a big thank you, Adam, for spending the 2364 01:55:58,200 --> 01:55:59,960 morning with me and chatting about this stuff. 2365 01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:02,960 Thanks for sharing some of the fire and sharing some of those 2366 01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,760 vulnerable, you know, sort of vulnerable stories. 2367 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,600 I think that's what makes people understand that we're all more 2368 01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:10,640 human than we have, a lot more in common than we don't. 2369 01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:12,160 And I think it's an important perspective. 2370 01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,600 So I do appreciate you spending that morning with me, buddy. 2371 01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,320 Thank you for having me on quick short notice. 2372 01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,000 I appreciate it. No, it was great. 2373 01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:20,760 I'm glad we could fill this thing and I'm glad we finally 2374 01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:22,640 got to make this connection because it was a, it was a wild 2375 01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:27,920 and pending now. All right, ladies and gentlemen, 2376 01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:30,560 that has been the Kyle Seraphin show for this Wednesday. 2377 01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,600 Thank you so much. I want to say a bunch of thank 2378 01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,440 you #1 thank you to Ryan Matta. If you're not following him at 2379 01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:41,160 Ryan Matta, MATTA, you can see his show on LFATV, which is also 2380 01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:43,160 on Rumble. But Ryan Matta did the 2381 01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:44,840 production for this thing and he's going to probably be 2382 01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,280 joining us for that. So very appreciative of Ryan's 2383 01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,440 thing. We're we're also thankful to our 2384 01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:51,840 sponsorscatholicvote.org. Check them out, sign up for the 2385 01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:56,680 loop and Patriot coolers.com promo code Kyle 10% off there. 2386 01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,040 Let me read a five star review because I'm also very thankful 2387 01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,640 to all of you. We had almost 500 people in here 2388 01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:05,360 or over 500 for a good chunk of this live stream and 400 of you 2389 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,280 stuck it out to the all through the through the end of it. 2390 01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,840 I know your days are busy. If you didn't get to hear the 2391 01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,800 whole thing, you can always catch us on Apple, on Spotify, 2392 01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:16,720 on iHeartRadio and you can leave us a five star review on the 2393 01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:18,120 Apple. There's a link in the 2394 01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,440 description below in the show notes. 2395 01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:22,040 This one comes from Anthony McAllister. 2396 01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,640 Five stars, says Kyle. Thank you for the wonderful 2397 01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,560 podcast. It's very informative and I 2398 01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,400 learned something new every time I listen, which is one of my 2399 01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,840 favorite parts. I admire you and your amigos, 2400 01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:33,920 which there are several. Yes, there are. 2401 01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,360 You are all very brave and have my respect. 2402 01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,520 Thanks for the excellent show and service to the country 2403 01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:41,560 again, Anthony McAllister. Well, thank you for the five 2404 01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:42,600 star review. Folks. 2405 01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:44,680 If you want your five star review read, all you got to do 2406 01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:46,080 is click on that link below filled out. 2407 01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:49,440 We are up to 573. I bet we get up to 600 if we 2408 01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,440 push it by the end of this week. So you guys can really make that 2409 01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:55,000 happen. We are again, we are driven by 2410 01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:56,560 these kind of things and we do this for you. 2411 01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:58,760 This is why we are out there. You have been listening. 2412 01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:00,760 Let's see the Kyle Seraphin Show, which streams live 2413 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:05,720 Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays at 8:30 here in Texas America or 2414 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,600 9:30 Eastern Time. 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