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Bring it on. Adam Coleman.
All right, folks, I want to welcome to the Kyle Seraphin
show, my friend online, my wife always says, is this your friend
from Twitter? And I always say yes, this is
Adam B Coleman. He's the founder of Wrong Speak
publishing. You can find him on Twitter at
wrong under score speak. He's a writer and he is a
thinker and I think a very compassionate and interesting
voice. I I came across him completely
randomly. He self describes as the
president of anti Blackistan. I got to ask some questions
about that. That's going to come up.
And and we've been getting into it a little bit about vaccine
mandates and a bunch of other stuff, fatherhood.
So we're going to have an interesting chat and I'm really
excited to talk to you today. Adam, thanks for joining me.
Thank you. And just one small correction
because it happens after. It's ain't Blackistan.
It's not. Blackistan, yes.
So I actually juxtaposed those in my in my head.
What is ain't Blackistan before we get rolling?
It's a play on Joe Biden's You ain't black if you don't vote
for me. If you have a problem figuring
out whether you're for me or Trump and you ain't black.
So I said, well, I didn't vote for him, so I guess I'm from
this fictional nation called Ain't Blackistan.
Right. It's what are some of the
trading partners with Ain't Blackistan?
We're we're pretty self-sufficient, although we're
not, we're not racist. So we're we're willing to work
with other people, but we have a very strong border policy,
unlike America. Right, because because nations
have to have borders. Yes.
It turns out that's what those lines are on the map.
That's what they mean, usually. Supposedly, yeah.
Supposedly, All right, Adam, I, I haven't asked this, so I don't
actually know the, the answers. A lot of this stuff I want to
know where did you grow up? You know, kind of roughly how
old are you? So we have kind of a frame of of
what your experience was growing up and, you know, where was that
and what was your childhood like?
Sure. I'm 38.
That's over there. It's hard to answer where I grew
up because before I was 18, I lived in four states.
But I tell people I'm from New Jersey because I've lived in New
Jersey the longest if you include my adult years.
But I, I lived in, well, I was born in Detroit.
I lived in Virginia, lived in upstate New York, and then moved
to New Jersey, was the 8th grade and kind of been here since.
There was a year that I moved to Nashville as an adult by myself
and then came back to New Jersey.
So I've lived in five states total, though my childhood was
basically myself, my mother, and my sister.
My father wasn't active in my life really.
He always lived in Detroit. He had another family, he was
always married. We were the other kids.
So just to kind of give like a framework of our existence.
Yeah. No, that's good.
What drove you to move around? What was sort of the the impetus
for that sort of moving? Single mother looking for help
or taking opportunities early in my life.
Like when we moved to Virginia, I think, I think the reason was
because we had family in Alexandria, VA and so we moved
out there and we stayed with them for a little bit.
And so my mom got a place, but I believe my mother wants to go
back to school or something. But we ended up moving to
upstate New York because we had another family member there.
So it was a, it was a economic struggle for my mother, you
know, by herself with two kids. And the most support we got from
our father was child support through the state, which wasn't
that much. So yeah, a lot of it was because
of economics. When we moved from New York to
New Jersey, I think it was my mother just taking a opportunity
for the different employer. She had a job opportunity and
just decided to go. Yeah, now you've written a book.
You, you're a publisher now you have, you know, regular columns.
I know you've got by lines in in Newsweek and Post Millennial and
probably a bunch of others, New York Post.
When did you start writing and and what kind of drove you
towards that? The first, actually the very
first thing, is probably like the opposite of what everybody
else does. The very first thing I did was
write my book. That's right behind me.
I started writing it in the summer, the Summer of Love, as
they put it, a couple months after George Floyd's death.
But I wrote it because I felt like I wasn't able to talk about
certain things. I'm, I'm a very like quiet mob
man in person, generally speaking, I wasn't very public.
I really didn't use social media.
I didn't have Twitter. Facebook was only to talk to
family members and that was seldomly.
So I really just kept to myself. But for the first time, it felt
like if I wanted to say something, I wasn't allowed to.
And I didn't like that feeling. So that's when I started going
online to figure out, am I the only person who feels this way?
And I started going to like free speech forums where I felt freer
to have these dialogues because I saw what having the
conversation look like on Facebook, and it wasn't a
conversation. And that's where I actually got
a lot of support. You know, I was watching YouTube
videos and then it was suggested this one form, instead of going
on there and expressing how I felt.
And people were like, you should write more often because how you
explained yourself was really good.
And I had kind of rewind a little bit probably like a year
prior. I had an idea about writing a
book as kind of like a legacy thing for my son to kind of pass
along. But I didn't have an, I didn't
have like an idea of what I want to write about other than like
questioning things. But this was the first time I
had like a solid idea. So, you know, I figure out why
don't I write about race. And it started off with just
kind of writing about race, and then it turned into a much
deeper concept. You know, race is at the top
level. But underneath I talk about the
importance of family and how family impacts children.
I talk about morality, I guess, some psychological and
behavioral analysis, which I'm not a psychologist, but I've had
psychologists read my book and say that I'm on point because
I'm very much so into psychology.
So it's a very eclectic book that some people are caught off
guard with because they didn't think they'd take home some of
the things that I'm actually pointing out.
I can appreciate that. I think one of the first reasons
that we started engaging was a discussion of race relations.
I think I had a question for you off the you you mentioned
something that that caught me off guard and I wanted to to
query you about it. And your response was very
honest. I felt like and very open.
And so that kind of cat that started me following your, your
Twitter account. And since then, I've seen that
there's a lot of very warm humor, even for a guy who is a
little bit more reserved. I think you and I share a sense
of humor, which is a little bit of reverent and seems to be.
And then we have a lot of values, I think in common too,
which I've also enjoyed. So I wanted you to talk about
it. You mentioned your childhood
without a father. I saw something you put out on
Father's Day saying that you've made Father's Day about your job
as a father and maybe talk a little bit about fatherhood,
what it what it meant to you growing up and then sort of how
it's evolved is something that you do as an adult.
I think as a kid I didn't really think about fathers or
fatherhood. I mean, just, it's kind of like
an innate feeling of just wanting your father to be there.
You know, we moved around a lot and I would say a good portion
of it was kind of living in the suburbs and guess a lot of the
kids I was surrounded by were white, but I was, I was treated
fairly. But the thing that I noticed was
that our family was different, not because of our complexion,
but because just about every kid that I was around had their
father in the house. I was in Boy Scouts and all
their fathers are involved. I can't really think of like one
other kid that didn't have their father somewhat involved or at
least bring them to the Boy Scout event.
I played baseball. Either their fathers are
involved in the team or the fathers were in the crowd.
How? Even most of the time when we
would play baseball, the entire family's there.
Meanwhile, you know, my mother was sometimes working.
Sometimes she could go, sometimes she couldn't.
But my father was never there. My father was in a different
state. He had no interests.
I don't even know if he knew I played baseball.
He didn't try to be honest with you.
And I know there's like a reaction from certain people
like, well, you know, sometimes women keep fathers away.
And that's absolutely true. But I know that my father, to be
100% honest with you, I know that my father didn't love me
based on his actions and lack of actions.
And yes, some men make mistakes, you know, when the kids are
young. But as an adult, I reached out
to him and he had no interest. So I stopped trying to create a
scenario to be disappointed. And I stopped trying to see my
father as something that he isn't, he isn't someone that
actually loves us. He had he had his own family,
his own kids elsewhere. He paid his obligation through
the state and we became adults and that was it.
That was as much attachment. You know, when he would even
come around, it was strange because it was like dealing with
a stranger. That's the best way of kind of
putting it. Like when I, and this is
something I'm actually working on with the second book.
So I'm like processing all these things and I'm actually talking
to my mom. But like, I asked my mother the
other day when he would call, when she would put him on the
phone with me, did she initiate him putting him on the phone
with me? And she said yes.
And it, and it got that feeling because every phone call I had
with him was kind of like a, you know, if you like, if you called
a friend's house and you're like looking to talk to their friend
and then all of a sudden they put their two year old on the
phone and you have this weird, awkward conversation you weren't
expecting to have with the 2 year old.
Like you weren't anticipating like, so how's school?
You know, that's, that's how my father would speak with me.
He didn't have the attention. He didn't have the attachment to
to do that. He didn't have the drive to have
that conversation. So he was, he was obligated to
do it because it was the appropriate thing for the social
convention, but not something that he was driving towards on
his own. Exactly, exactly.
And, and even when he would come around, you know, I've talked
about this very few times, but my father, when we lived in
upstate New York, my father would drive from Michigan to New
York City to get fabric, but we we would live like an hour north
of the city. So instead of getting a hotel,
he would stay with us and he would stay with us for a few
days. But I don't really have that
much of A like a memory of like, oh, when my dad came, we did XY
and Z. He was just like, he was there
and then he would leave and then he was there and he would leave
and he'd go to bed and he'd sleep with my mom.
And then the thing that always stuck out to me was that I would
never say goodbye to my father. He would always leave in the
middle of the night. He would leave $100 on the
kitchen counter and that's it. And he did that repeatedly.
So I remember he at least he least did it two or three times.
I remember it was more than once.
But I would never say goodbye to my father.
Even when we moved to New Jersey, he came and visit, I
think like the last time, just wake up and he was gone.
He'd live in leave in the middle of night.
There was no, there wasn't even like a hug goodbye the night
before. Hey, I'm leaving in the morning.
It was great seeing you. There wasn't any of that.
It was like, oh, I guess my father just left and that was
it. So that's kind of why I, on top
of all these other things, I know that my father didn't
really care. And I know that even more so as
I became a father and started seeing the dynamic between a
healthy father and A and his son.
Yeah. And I don't hear a lot of
bitterness in the way that you're saying that, although I
think there's every, every cause for that.
It sounds like you've got a very academic, you know, sort of
digestion of that experience. What were some of the emotions
as you were growing up seeing that?
And then how do you avoid sort of the the potential anger that
when you're dealing with it as an adult?
Well, my emotions as a kid, I think so as much as I'm very
like reflective today, part of that comes from depression
because when you're depressed, you habitually reflect onto
yourself, but you do it in an unhealthy way.
So instead of like a healthy critique of who you are, you
kind of blame yourself and you point out your flaws rather than
saying like now I would see like, I'm not good at this, so I
need to improve on this. It would be I'm not good at this
and I deserve what comes to me and I, I don't deserve these
things and I'm terrible. It, it would, it would go down
this unhealthy spiral. And I think that's what my
childhood was kind of mixed in with, you know, I see with my
son, if he's down, I say, let's talk about it and I can help
bring him back up. I can reinstall some motivation
to him or you know, help build up a self esteem and and point
out things about him that are good and positive so he can kind
of see it and he can understand like I relate to him because
we're very much so alike behaviorally and he looks like
me as well. So I get him and he understands
that and he respects that. So he listens to me and that
kind of keeps him going. Whereas I didn't have that.
If I went down a spiral, I just went down a spiral kind of by
myself. My mother was sometimes there
and sometimes she was working or, and just on, on the face of
it, my mother's a woman. She doesn't understand what it's
like to be a young man. And it's not the same.
And I've had moments. I just started talking about
this, you know, within the past few months.
But when I was six years old, I apparently told my mother.
And I vaguely remember, but I apparently told my mother that I
went to die. I went to kill myself by having
like my bed fall on top of me. You know, it's just a very like
kid way of thinking of dying. And then days later I was put
into a mental health institution.
And I was there for three months.
And it was something that for like years I kind of blocked out
until my sister brought it up maybe like 5 or 6 years ago.
And it's like all these memories just started coming back to me.
But for three months is a long time for a six year old.
But what makes it even longer is that, you know, when you get
prosecuted for a crime, they say your sentence is this.
So you're just kind of bidding your time.
You know, when you're leaving. It's the opposite when you go
into a mental health institution.
And as a kid, you have no idea. So every day you're like, is
today the day I get to go home? And then you're disappointed
when it's not. And then what?
It would be compounded by like my mother would come and visit.
And then I'm like, are you here to Take Me Home?
And she has to tell me no. And then I would have to go back
and, and, you know, stay there until whenever I'm supposed to
go home. And so, you know, my sister told
me in that conversation that my, she would come with my mother
and every time my mother would go home driving the car crying
because she has to leave her son behind.
So, you know, it was something that I decided to talk about
because the topic of mental health, we talked about, oh, you
know, we need these institutions.
And like when I was in an institution, the only thing I
learned was to follow the rules of the institution so I can get
the hell out of here. You know, I didn't need an
institution. I needed my father.
I didn't need drugs. I didn't need any of that stuff.
You know something, and I think I've only talked about this
once, but there is a new kid that came into our quarters.
I have this best way of putting it.
So it was like this big open quarters and let's just say
there's like 10 kids in that quarter and we would have these
group sessions and stuff like that.
There's a new kid that came into that quarter and he was very
friendly with me. And I want to say it was
relatively soon after he came within a day or two, he tried
sneaking into my bed to do something with me.
And as soon as he got, as soon as he was sneaking into my bed,
he got caught by an attendant. And so I pretended to be asleep
and he got taken away. And I never saw that kid again.
But what if that guy didn't see that?
What would have happened to me? How would that have impacted my
life? And it was a boy that that tried
to get into my bed. And I don't know what he had
experienced to think that this is normal, you know, so it's,
it's all these things. That's why I talk about single
parenthood and, and how it makes children vulnerable.
And that's one of the vulnerabilities.
I was mentally vulnerable. And it LED for me to be placed
into an even more vulnerable position, to be away from people
that I don't know, to be away from people I do know, to be
around people I don't know and an institution that barely cares
about me. You know, there's people doing
their jobs to learn. Ultimately, nothing other than
sharing your feelings will get you institutionalized.
That's essentially what I got from it.
Yeah, that's a real, that's a really specific lesson too,
right? I mean, they're, they've showed
you at especially at such an age.
I've got a six year old right now.
So I'm, I'm just putting it on my daughter and imagining, you
know, if she came to us with some thoughts and, and she said
some things that at that age that are very interesting, you
know, like, you know, everybody's always mad at me.
And, and, you know, when you're 6, you can't process things in
any cerebral way that, that a grown up is.
And even though they have real words and, and real paragraphs
and they have real thoughts, they're not developed and they
don't make any sense. And you know, they, they can't
be responsible for that. My wife is actually a mental
health counselor at it. I don't know if I've ever told
you that. But.
So, so I'm very familiar with a lot of this stuff.
And we were just talking literally yesterday about a 13
year old girl that had been institutionalized 7 times for
depression for, you know, some of these anxiety disorders and
things like that, which, you know, my wife struggled with
depression in her early life. And so I'm, I'm familiar with it
at least tangentially. It's, it's incredible that, that
that was the option that they had was to institutionalized
you. Do you know, what thought
process went into saying I can't handle this?
And, and your mom had to, you know, put you in a facility.
Was she really worried that you were going to drop a bet on
yourself or where did that come from?
Was she just confused? I don't.
So to kind of give context, my mother's a nurse, OK.
You know, I think she was the LPN at the time.
So her, I guess her belief in the, in the medical system is
that when something troubling happens, you bring it to a
professional and you ask them for their advice.
And so that's what happened. My mother didn't just on a whim
take me there. My mother sought on a
professional, told them what I had told her, and that was the
professional advice given not to bring me to this facility.
And that's, that's what left for that to happen.
But I think the ultimate message with me telling the story to
people is to understand that, yeah, my mother could have
chosen a better option, but that's not really the point of
the story. The point of the story is that I
was a kid who wanted his father, and his father could have saved
me as a child from going through all this emotional turmoil when
all I wanted was just some attention from the man who
created me. That's basically it.
And I suffered because of it. So to kind of answer your other
question, why do I not sound bitter?
And it's because I learned how to accept.
I accept that my father didn't love me.
I accept that my father wasn't there for me.
I went through years of dealing with stuff by myself and then
seeking out professional help. As far as therapist, I avoided
drugs. I didn't like taking drugs for
stuff that I can try to work out myself, and I saw how drugs
created dependency for other people.
But I went to therapist. I remember I was going through a
tough time with stress at one of my jobs and I was having panic
attacks and it took me a while to realize I was having panic
attacks. Then I started staying home and
then that turned into agoraphobia.
And once that started happening, that's when I was like, I got to
do something about this. And my first sessions were
talking about my childhood. It just slipped into that and I
think I went to the therapist like 3 * a week for like 3 or 4
weeks and every single session was me crying.
It was just getting stuff out that I had just kind of like
held in and it was something I desperately needed to do.
And it, and it was just like all these other things just kind of
steamrolled into my, my real life of going to work everyday,
paying the bills and stuff like that.
And then dealing with a stressful job.
I wasn't able to handle it because emotionally I wasn't
handling all the things I needed to handle and resolve the things
I needed to resolve. So therapy became of a high
interest for me, which is why I became very interested in
psychology. It just understanding people.
And I think for a lot of psychologists, they, they get
into it because they're trying to understand themselves.
I think you're right. You know, I know a number of
psychologists and they've had either traumatic events happened
to them when they were younger and they're they're trying to
figure out their emotions and it because of becomes of interest
of themself. I'll tell you something kind of
funny. My younger brother, he told me
that every crazy girl that he ever dated when she was in her
early 20s was a yoga instructor by the time she was 30.
And it's the same thing, though. It's that like, how do you heal
thyself, right? They're looking for that thing
that, that, that, that solves whatever the scratches that itch
they have in their brain. And if it's yoga or it's therapy
or it's writing, I think a lot of people seek that out.
And obviously, I, I, I think you're correct.
And my wife's story is the same. And all of her colleagues that
I've met, they all, they all were some version of trying to
figure out what was their issue in life.
And then once they thought they had a handle on it, many of them
probably don't still. They, they go out there and they
try to help other people too, which is interesting.
I just love that you, that you turned in because a lot of men
will shy away from therapy. There's a stigma about it for
males in particular, and I'm curious what you know.
Did you feel that, and then did you overcome that, or was that
something that you were innately drawn to because you knew there
were other problems? I never really feared it and I I
guess that's it. So people understand.
I didn't grow up with a male figure.
So even though my father wasn't there, a lot of people have
stepfathers or uncles and stuff like that.
We moved around a lot. My extended family was very much
so extended from us, like and my mother didn't have boyfriends in
out of the house or or long term relationships.
So my interaction, interactions with men were very limited
basically until I became an adult and started going into
workforce. So a lot of the things that
maybe other guys would pick up as being normal or maybe like
the machismo kind of thing, I didn't really grow up around and
I didn't develop, you know, certain things I've kind of
picked up over the way over the over time that I needed to, to,
to develop being a man and develop manhood into being,
becoming something of my own. So this, the whole stigma thing
is not something that I really saw.
I mean, I understood that it existed, but it was never
something that I was fighting to get over.
It was very much so like, I need help.
I need to go seek help and that that was it.
It's really smart. I think just your constitution
allowed you to do the thing that that was the right thing for
you. And, and not everybody has that.
I want to lean a little bit into race because there's a there's a
lot of discussions and I think it's from a place of probably
ignorance, but not from malice. A lot of people will go out and
they'll blame the a lack of fathers in, you know, in black
men as they grow up. And that's the result, you know,
that results in negative outcomes for them.
And yet I think even just your story as a, as an individual
tells us that these are all very individual stories.
They're all very different. My dad grew up without a father
as well. And so, you know, and not for
any fault of anybody else, my, my grandfather, who died long
before I was born, was just very old by the time that my dad was
born, he was having children into his very late years, 60s
and 70s. So, you know, there's a, there's
a lot of different stories. There's, there's not one story
that says, oh, this is how we grew people in.
But as human beings, we tend to do that.
It makes it easier to digest. You know what, when you're
looking out there, does your story immediately get
categorized by people before they meet you and then before
they get to to learn sort of your introspective take on it?
Sometimes, but I mean, stuff like that doesn't really bother
me. But I think you're right as far
as how we we try to find like this, this group, this group
explanation as to why this problem exists rather than
seeing it as there are overlaps between individual choices and
cultural acceptance. That's kind of how I see it.
So I use my wife as an example. She grew up in Brooklyn and mind
she, by the way. Yeah, we talked about that.
That's right. But she, she was saying how when
she was growing up that there was only one family that had
both parents in the home and they were from the Caribbean.
And she never really thought about it until we got together.
And I wanted to talk about the dynamic and the impact.
And we would have all these like long conversations when we
started getting together about my childhood men, how we're seen
in the world. And, and I, I don't think she
really even thought about it as being odd because when
everybody's doing something, it just becomes normal.
And So what I talk about is culture.
What becomes culturally acceptable becomes culturally
normal. And then what happens when it
becomes accepted? People make excuses for the
acceptance. So they'll say, well, look at
Adam, you grow up with a single mother.
You turned out fine, right? Oh, OK.
So then hence fathers are optional because these guys
turned out OK. And so, you know, for every, for
every situation, you can point out some, some sort of success
story. But the reality is that the
issues that exist in our society depend upon the fringes of, of
people in our, in our society. So the the things like we talked
about incarceration, do we think that happy people are robbing
people? Do we think happy people are
murdering people, are raping people?
Do you think these are happy content people who are living
fulfilling lives? No.
So why is that the case? Why aren't they happy?
Why aren't they fulfilled? What kind of struggles are they
having? And just about every time I try
to dive down that that rabbit hole, it always comes down to
most of these people. And this is regardless of race.
Most of these people grew up in some sort of dysfunctional home.
When I started writing publicly for like the New York Post, for
example, I would get an outpouring of people.
But I would always get like a few people who worked in the
juvenile system who would come in and send me emails and send
me direct messages talking about just about every kid that they
would have locked up came from a broken home, came from some sort
of family abuse, came from a household that did not have a
father. And at some point, when you say
this is beyond a coincidence, there's some sort of real reason
why this is occurring. While not every child who grows
up in a single parent home becomes a criminal, obviously
I'm an example and I would say the majority of them don't.
What happens is that the extremes become exacerbated and
young men are filled with chaos. And I don't think people
understand that. So, you know, the the impact of
single parenthood looks different for boys and girls.
Boys are chaotic and you have to teach them how to control their
chaos. Otherwise if you don't, they
take the chaos and the rest of society and become destructive
forces. With girls, they breed with the
chaotic men to produce, you know, a line of chaotic people.
And they don't know, they don't have because their their
father's supposed to be the first and most important male in
their life. And so they don't have a model
of how a man is supposed to treat a woman and who they
should choose for procreation. And it becomes harder to
delineate who the good men are, who the bad men are.
And they become attracted to the shiny gold, you know, shiny
object and they start going after them.
So they on, you know, mistakenly choose the bad guys.
You ever wonder like, how come these guys are like felons and
they have like six women with well, you know, with six kids,
like how who's choosing them? Well, then if you start looking
at the women, most of them come from the similar background, you
know, that can't be that can't be an accident.
And then when if you really, really start looking at people's
behaviors, like even leftists, a lot of the leftists like you see
on like a lives of TikTok, I sort of watch him lose a TikTok
with the sound off. I just started watching their
mannerisms and I started looking at things and noticing things.
Just about all their videos involved them being in their
room by themselves. They're never around people.
They involves them not looking, making eye contact, looking
around, saying ridiculous things that even their face doesn't
show that they believe they are starved of attention and they're
starved of these different things.
And often times you start really looking into them.
I really truly believe a lot of them experience some sort of
childhood trauma, like real trauma.
Not like, you know, I didn't get my latte and I'm not traumatized
because I have a headache. I mean, like actual trauma,
abuse, neglect, things that are really impactful when you're a
child. And I think that exists all over
the place, not just with with black men or black children, but
it's become an American issue. Nearly 1/4 of children grow up
in a single parent home in America, number one in the
world. Yeah, we.
So you and I are both children of the 80s.
I've got a couple years on you, but not many.
And so we experienced a lot of the same thing and childhood
divorce or our parents being divorced when we were kids was
more and more normal. I remember the stats always
being quoted when I was younger, you know, 50% of marriages end
in divorce, this kind of thing. And it was very normalized, even
though it's probably one of the most damaging things that
happened in this country at any point.
You're kind of a, you know, do you have a, a backswing sort of
the, the, the response to that is that is that what you think
that you're living 'cause I, I know my wife and I had this
conversation. She's also a child of divorce in
addition to being a child of Brooklyn.
And when we talked about it, it's like we we can't get
divorced under any circumstances because it was devastating to
her. Even though she was a teenager,
she was already, you know, mostly grown.
And it's still probably one of the formative things that
happened in her life. You, you got to experience being
without a father, which is, which is not the same as
divorce, but I think it can often be the same animal when
when a man moves on, men tend to move on emotionally as well.
I don't think women necessarily do the same thing.
You know, Has that shaped the way that your marriage is
structured and the way that you guys kind of look out at the
future as options? Well, you know, I feel like
human beings are more likely to repeat than to, than to change.
So even in my circumstances, I'm saying all these different
things. I had my son out of wedlock, me
and his mother never got married and so he's always grown up in a
separate house and myself. The difference between my
childhood and our relationship is that I've always been
involved. So I would always have him every
weekend, I always did things with him.
I would talk to him on the phone.
If he needed something I would get it for him, not through the
state. You know, I voluntarily give
money to his mother to help take care of him.
I've done that in his entire life.
It resisted going through the state involving the state of my
life. I've Co parent with her, never
had talked to his mother and I don't think she does that with
me either. We get along, we're friendly and
she got married at one point as well and dealt with that dynamic
as well with him having a stepfather.
So, but I understand even more so today that I put my son at
risk and I put him, I put him in a situation even though the
stepfather was fine. But there are some men who
purposely go after women who are single, single mothers.
And that's an uncomfortable thing to kind of say out loud
that people don't really talk about.
But predators hunt and they look for vulnerable children and they
looked for vulnerable children in in these type of situations.
So thankfully my son never went through that type of scenario
with him. But I did repeat some of the
things that I grew up around. And part of the reason I
repeated it, not because like I thought it was so admirable to,
you know, have a single parent household, but I repeated it
because I didn't understand the importance of proper family
planning. And so for me, it's less about
like, yes, marriage. Marriage is a institution that
helps to promote families being solidly together.
And it's the best possible outcome for a child to best
possible environment for a child to live in a marriage situation.
But I, I look at it from the perspective of proper family
planning, like you're choosing to do these things, you're
choosing to get married and then have children, right?
No one ever really talked to me about that.
No one ever had this conversation.
So as much as in school, they want to talk about what gender
you are and how to have sex and who you want to have sex with.
They don't ever talk about family.
They don't ever talk about proper family planning.
And really, to be honest with you, they shouldn't.
That's not their job. They shouldn't be talking to
them about sex to this degree that they are either.
Your parents are supposed to have this conversation with
their kids. My son, although he said it,
we'll see if this turns out. My son has said he does not want
to have kids until he's married. You know, just that having
having that idea planted into his head is much farther along
than I was. For me, I needed women to
validate me. I was chasing girls.
I was trying to I was trying to get one of them to to take me
because I didn't believe in myself.
And if I got dumped, my self esteem got dumped as well.
So my son doesn't need that. He doesn't need that validation
because his father gives him that validation.
His father picks him up. His father points that no, you
have this, you need to focus on yourself.
You need to do what's best for you, follow your purpose and
then the women will come. Don't chase them.
And and he understands that. So he's able to properly family
plan because he's building himself up to be in that
position to family plan, to have the the lifestyle that he does
actually want. He's doing it in the right
order. And I was never taught that.
The only thing that I understood was not to be my father, to be
involved in your kids lives. And and so I was never taught
the order, never fully understood the order.
I was just reacting. I was just doing things, you
know, in some cases I was pleasure seeking.
I was looking for validation where I was doing all these
things that could have been curbed if I had a father, a
healthy father figure in my life, but I didn't.
And so that's where this is my education for my son is how you
stop that. You know, people say
generational curse, but how you stop the cycle, the cycle of
fatherlessness. So, you know, I believe that my
son will be the the first generation in quite a while to
to lead a household in a way that he's actually supposed to
lead it to at least attempt to follow that order.
And if he doesn't, he will be man enough to be in that
position to stick around to try to amend it and not run between
run with his tail between his legs.
So, you know, that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to correct what I should have done.
I should have family plan. It's not that I regret my son or
anything, but I should have family plan to to keep my son
from being in a in a vulnerable position like having a
stepfather. And so hopefully my son will
will change that course. I, I made an assumption and I'm,
I'm glad that you corrected it. And also I'm, I'm kind of more,
I'm even more interested in the way that story turns out because
what, what happens then is everybody thinks that you can
snap something from a negative result to a positive result, You
know, that they can take something that was not healthy
and turn it into something healthy overnight.
And I actually made that assumption as well.
And I think what you're showing is that a lot of these things
happened incrementally. They happened over a long period
of time. Obviously your entire childhood
and formation were not an overnight process.
And it would make sense that the, the correction of it would
also not be overnight. I think it's really important to
grab. I want to kind of pivot that
towards something else that I think a lot of people are, are
sort of have this expectation of which is weight loss and healthy
living and healthy diet. You've been talking about it on,
on Twitter and I've, I've been following along and, and I'm
proud for you for what you're doing.
You, you basically said, you know, I'm going to start
incrementally doing these things.
I'm going to set some goals for myself and I'm going to start
living in a more healthy way. And it's the same thing.
You can't shed unhealthy weight. You can't change behaviors
overnight. You can simply start with step
one and move them along. Maybe talk a little bit about
how what motivated you even to start doing that because a lot
of people struggle with the first movement.
I think I think that's the hardest thing for most people.
It's like, how do I start a pattern that is safe, healthy,
sustainable, and I can move with?
And then you know what motivated you to do that?
Well, before I get into like what I'm doing now, I think it's
important for people to understand my history.
So throughout my throughout my childhood, I was always thin,
always thin. But you know, my mother, she
work a lot. We ate ramen noodles.
We ate, you know, we, we didn't eat the healthiest, you know,
because she wasn't always there to cook.
Sometimes we might eat out, but not as much as like how
accessible we didn't have, you know, DoorDash back in the day.
Yeah, nobody had some of the options that you got like like
people do today. Right, right.
So we didn't have as many options, but we didn't eat the
best. I ate whatever.
But because I was young and, you know, we went outside or I would
walk to school. So you you walk around school
all day, going to different classrooms.
So you kind of burn that stuff off.
But I never learned that the healthy eating habits like I
should have. It wasn't until I left school,
started working and started being come become more still at
my workplace and sitting down all day that my weight started
going up and up and up. And so my weight has completely
fluctuated my entire adult life. There is one point in time, man,
I really, I really don't know how big I was, but I remember I
moved to Tennessee and I was really depressed when I was out
there and I was eating sonics and I was eating like like
these, like these massive was, was the tater tots, like the
footballing tater tots with like chili and cheese.
They're the most unhealthy things that you could ever
imagine. I was eating them multiple times
a week and. Then like a 40 oz whatever
slushy that they sell with them too.
Right. Just it was absolutely horrible
and I gained so much weight. It's just trash.
But I was, I was really depressed when I was out there.
I was alone. So like at times suicidal.
Like it was, it wasn't good. I remember coming back home and
a friend of mine saw me. He was like, he's like, man, you
gained a lot of weight. So I would I, I, I don't know
how much I weighed, but I was probably in the 280 range
probably. By the way.
I'm 511. OK, so that's a that's a heavy
that's not crazy, not for American standards, but that's
that's everything. I'll tell you something really
funny. Somebody, my one of my buddies
sends me this meme and thank God for friends like that that'll
kind of, you know, kind of shock you out of your, your, your
mindset or your, or your mood. There was this thing and it was
like, you know, two women talking, it's this meme, right?
And she says, you know, am I fat?
And she's like, Oh my God, no, you're beautiful.
And then, and then underneath it, it's like dudes.
And it's like, he's like, Hey, bro, am I fat?
And he was like, dude, I know 5 fat people and you're four of
them, you know, and you're like, thank God for some of our
friends that'll just tell us how it is that then you'd be like,
you got to go do something. And we need those friends.
Like sometimes that's the only thing that keeps us from the
edge. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. So I mean, my, my weight has
fluctuated. You know, I got that big and I
dropped a little bit of weight. And then there was a point in
time in my late 20s, I think it was like 29 or 30 when I started
working at this one job and I just dropped a ton of weight
because I was walking a lot while I was at work.
Just changed what I was eating, mind you, like the days before
that, I was living in my friend's downstairs apartment,
depressed, actually his basement apartment depressed with his
cats and everything, unemployed. And so I started working again
and started trying to build myself up again.
And I, I went from, at the time I think I was around 266 lbs to
183 lbs in less than a year. I think it was like 10 months.
So I I understand what it means to, to focus and and to do
certain steps to, to drop that weight.
It becomes harder as you get older.
You have to try different things.
But I gained that back because even though I say it went from
266 down to 183, my weight loss journey recently started at 275
and that caught me off guard. Now I think the only difference
between now and then was that I was fat.
Like I was all fat. Like I wasn't muscly or
anything. When people look at or looked at
me when I was like 275, it looked like I was just like an
out of shape football player. Like because in between that
time period when I dropped from 27266 to 183, I went back up to
like the low 2 hundreds because I started lifting weights.
So I, I'm still somewhat muscular, but I definitely like,
it's all like in my gut, in my sides.
So that's the, that's the main difference.
But just even knowing that I was up to 275 was not good.
And I can, I knew that like my life was, you know, I wasn't
sleeping as good, I wasn't feeling as good.
I was always indigestion, you know, stomach issues, stuff like
that. And then I think the biggest
wake up call because just before I went to the doctor, I started
exercising more. My wife started changing her
diet. But when I went to the doctor,
they confirmed my cholesterol was high and wanted to put me on
cholesterol medication. And that's when my wife was
like, no, we need to like step this up because I want you off
these meds. And I said, I agree with you.
So we started doing like vegan stuff and we started just
experiment going on YouTube and looking at these different
strategies, different tips and trying it out.
And intermittent fasting has been a game changer.
And it's taught me a lot about control and and hunger.
So whereas you know, before it was just like, all right, you
cut back your calories. You just have to eat like maybe
a salad or, you know, take away certain things, but completely
restricting it down to like a couple meals a day or to focus
on that window when you can't eat.
In many ways, when I lost that weight that the 266 to 183, I
didn't realize that I was fasting, you know, because there
was a period where I was like, I learned about like a time window
for your stomach to digest food. And so I said, OK, I'm just not
going to eat past 4:30. So I didn't realize I was
actually creating a fasting scenario.
Yeah, no, that's how it works, right?
And you because you had filled your time with other things
instead of being either, you know, depressed or self absorbed
or concerned about a lot of it. You know, it's amazing that with
the more busy we are, the better off those things can be.
It can also go the other way 'cause you see a lot of people
that are really busy. Like you talk about your mom as
a nurse and, and I worked with nurses for a while and you know,
they, they eat terribly. Like there's nothing more common
than a massively overweight ER nurse who's just running from
patient to patient to patient for 12 hours on her feet.
And then she's going to go just eat some trash like pop Tarts,
you know, and maybe a ramen heat cup.
And then she's going to go back to work and just eat just
garbage, you know, calories. So there's, there is that weird
balance. You kind of have to be kind of
mindful. They call it hygiene.
You ever heard of that? Like sleep hygiene and, and
eating hygiene? It, it, it really is kind of a,
it's a cleanliness mindset about what kind of goes in and out.
And that interestingly enough, that's something I learned from
my father, which I'm, I'm lucky, I remember him always being
like, if you put trash fuel in, you're going to get trash
performance. This was a sports thing for us.
And I think a lot of people hear it, but they don't digest it
into their adult life. But you're, you're reinventing
that sort of thing. And I think, I think it's good.
And you can even look and, and if you're not watching our
rumble channel, you're not seeing this folks.
But Adam's, you know, his home is beautiful behind him.
It looks like, it looks like what my home looks like when my
kids are not losing their minds. It's very light and it's airy.
And often times our environment kind of reflects the way that
our, you know, that we take care of ourselves as well.
It looks very positive to me. I'll come hang out in your
house. Yeah, I mean, that's all my
wife, yeah. Of course, yeah.
Because I'm, I'm always like, do we really need that?
She's like, yes, it would help with the ambience and this and
I'm like, fine. Fine, but but it feels good,
right? I mean it looks nice, The
flowers look nice every I. Can live, I can live just about
anywhere. So her decorating, I'm just
like, OK, that's fine. You know, I kind of gave up on
that. But no, I appreciate you saying
that. She'll appreciate that as well.
Well, she's done a nice job. It looks like a very inviting
and warm place. And often, you know, a lot of
times see this too. And maybe it's because the way
that we, we find women and, and then we jive with them.
But there's a certain amount of values that are projected that
are in common. Like when I go into my friends
houses and, and you know, we, we just started off talking about
race initially you and I did, but all my friends that have the
same values as me and they all look different because it
doesn't matter. I've got, I've got three friends
named Dave and one of them is black and one of them's, you
know, from Taiwan and, and one of them is a white guy.
And when you and you look at all the Dave's and it's like all the
Dave's married wives that look differently, but their homes
look similar. If you walk into it, I'm like,
yeah, I'd live here. This looks like what my house
would look like if I was in this house.
And there's a, so there's a values that are projected by
some of those things. And I think that's kind of the
big difference. I've also been in houses that
are horrific. And I know that the people that
are in those houses don't have similar values, or at least
they're not able to live by those values.
You know, I've done search warrants in West Baltimore,
which are some of the saddest places you could ever go.
And you know, like, like I've seen, I've seen stairs that
we've gone up where we've literally told guys that we were
working with. We're like, hey, man, you can't
climb those stairs. And they're like, why?
I'm like, because you're over 200 lbs.
And I'm not sure that the stairs are going to hold because I can
see the floor below it, like through the stairs, you know
what I mean? Like there are holes, there's
daylight coming through that stairwell.
And I don't want that for any of us.
Or you talk to a girl who's living in a, in a, you know, an
upstairs building and she's peeing into a hole in the floor,
knowing that it's going into the ceiling below because she's
scared of going to the bathroom, because she's scared of the guy
she lives with. And so when you see that kind of
stuff, you're like, OK, that's not, that's not normal.
That's a very different animal than what we're looking at.
And like I said, yours looks as bright and airy and it's
beautiful. And it feels like somewhere I
want to be. And it feels safe.
That's the other big thing. It feels safe.
It feels healthy. It looks healthy sometimes we
can live those you know. You see that your your home
environment inflect reflects the same thing.
Yeah. And and this is also one of the
things about that I'm learning about relationships and
marriage. We complement each other.
So where I'm weak, she's strong and vice versa.
And so I understand that and she understands that as well.
So she knows I'm not the best organized, so she helps me to
organize. Sometimes I'm not the
cleanliest, you know, I'll put it away later kind of person.
And, and sometimes she's just, she can't stand this, so she'll
just clean up from behind me, you know, but I, I don't do it
intentionally. I it's just a, it's a habit or I
just don't think it's as important because I'm working on
something else. But at the same time, I'm
extremely logical. And so when she's going through
something very emotional, she can come to me and I just like
straight to the point and help her to understand what's going
on. And so she could feel better.
Whereas, you know, some people might get equally emotional and,
and you're both just losing their mind.
So I think men and women suit each other.
And you know, I, although we're not really talking about
relationships, but I just wanted to say that.
It's, it's, it's important. It's part of, you know, I think
it's central to identity. At some point, like at some
point when you're a man and you're married, that is part of
who you are. I drop, I drop stories about my
wife all the time. My wife listens to my podcast
and goes, you talk about me a lot and I'm like, you're
probably the second most important thing outside of me.
You know, 'cause like, who else you going to talk to all the
time? Who else knows your mind but
somebody who's been with you for however long, you know, you've
been married. Who put the the glass shield
over your book there in the in the corner?
Who? Who set that arrangement up?
That was my wife. Yeah, it looks like a it looks
like a really beautiful display. I'm I'm really proud that she
did it for you. Let's let's talk about the title
of your book. And I think you've also alluded
to a lot of those topics, but the the title is from black
victim to black Victor. I like the, I like sort of the
dichotomy there. I like sort of the the
progression. Maybe tell people what they
could find in your book if they was they're going to go read it.
And I'm actually going to order it up.
I actually want to read it too. I've been thinking about it for
a while. I don't get a chance to read as
many books as I'd like, but after talking, I want to hear.
I want to hear more about it. Yeah.
And then we'll get fired up and we'll talk vaccine mandate
stuff, too. Oh.
Yeah, the hard hitting stuff. That's right.
I would say black victim, black Victor.
It has a double meaning. It's talking about black culture
and it's also talking about me. I'm talking about many things in
the book. So I mean, there's a chapter
talking about a little bit about my childhood and the impact of
fatherlessness. So the reason I bring up that is
because everybody is like, what's the biggest problem
facing black Americans? And you know, and then leftist
try to say, oh, you know, it's racism, it's discrimination.
And like that has nothing to do with it.
You know, a lot of people feel some face some sort of
discrimination throughout history, but they did things in
spite of right. And the type of behavior that
were criticizing the type of behavior that we see as a
problem has very strong leaks links.
And it makes sense when it comes to giving some sort of
behavioral analysis. Like we can talk about
statistics and yes, you can use statistics of however which way
you want, but there's certain statistics that are just
undeniable. Like that has to mean something.
When I say that the United States is number 1 is single
parent homes, that has to mean something, right?
Otherwise why? Why even keep track of that
stat? And it's not very.
Specific. In that case, it doesn't sound
like. It's not very specific.
Yeah, no. And and listen, some people will
say like the even the topic of fatherlessness, it always comes
back to black Americans. But there are more non black
Americans who are going through this same type of family
dysfunction, this family disconnect than black Americans.
When I talk about these things, overwhelmingly the people who
reach out to me do not look like me.
And they're often the young men and young women who are hurting
and they're ignored and they're being sometimes silenced to talk
about these things feel like they can't talk about it in many
ways because they feel that criticizing single parenthood is
like criticizing their mother, right?
It's to say, oh, she, she, it's her fault that the child isn't
doing well. Well, she's part of it, right,
just like both parents are. And so that's why in my book,
I'm, I'm pretty fair. I criticize myself, I criticize
my mother and I criticize my father.
And, and so it, it's not a, it's not a woman bashing, but it's
just being very real and very honest about how it impacted me,
how it's impacting all different types of men and women.
There are times I'm not talking about race at all.
I go back and forth between black and and just very general
because we're human beings. And I think in the end, what I
try to do is have people understand that we have more
common than we do different The the, you know, the race, skin
color, all these different things.
These are just like, these are minor differences in humanity.
I've been around people who look different than me my entire
life, and I've been for the most part in America, treated with
respect. I can name on one hand the times
where I felt like I was being disrespected, not because of
something that I did, but because of something arbitrary
like my skin color or where I felt uncomfortable.
I've lived in the South, Midwest, and the Northeast.
I for the most part, I've always felt comfortable as a black
American moving about this country.
And I think a lot of times there is this instinct to say any
negative interaction. Is because of something that I
didn't do or something that is innate with me and it's my fault
or, or it must be because of my skin color.
You know, I, I use the example to people.
If you go inside a, a Walgreens or CVS and the store attendant
is rude to you, nothing you did is hey, where, where can I find
this? And they have an attitude
towards you. And then you leave that store.
If you're a white person, you're like man, because that person
was rude. But if you're a black person,
you're supposed to say that's how they treat black people
around here. Right.
Yep.
Well, maybe that person did the same thing to everybody who
walks in their head. Maybe they.
Just had a bad day. They had a bad day.
Maybe they maybe they're an absolutely horrible human being
that is horrible to every person that they encounter.
You have no idea. But I've met these people and
some of them are horrible to everybody.
Yeah, yeah, I know. We all have.
What you look like, right. So it's that kind of a little
bit of racial paranoia to think that any negative circumstance,
any negative outcome, you can't find a job.
It must be because there's there's some sort of
discrimination. I know plenty of white people
who have had trouble finding jobs.
You know. You know, we all have some sort
of struggle, and this idea that someone struggle is completely
unrelatable to another person's struggle.
And it's just like we've all faced some sort of struggle in
this world, in America. And, and I just, I find it very
limiting as far as thought to think that we can't find some
sort of commonality. And, and then also within the
book, what I try to do is talk about the people who want that
to be the case. I talk about the black upper
class that want that to be the case, the Al Sharpton's of the
world who want that to be the case and perpetuate this
message. Meanwhile, they'll go around and
pal around with the Clintons and everybody else.
Yeah, Benjamin Crump comes to mind to me too.
Like the race. Yeah, race hustling lawyers
type. They have a lot of money wrapped
up. And that being the case, at
least that other people believe it's the case.
Exactly. And I have a very smart Austrian
friends who told me once you create an industry, it's hard to
get rid of it. And that's much of what you see
here. You have an industry that, for
one makes money off of itself. It will never dispute itself.
So the race hoax scenarios, which are there are real race
hoaxes where people make up race crimes and those figures get
involved. They never apologize.
They never even acknowledge Tawana Briley.
Al Sharpton will barely acknowledge that it was a fake
scenario. Right.
Meanwhile, this man had slandered people.
He had destroyed the lives of officers.
He, he, he had ruined the reputation of a ton of people
back in the 80s because of this scenario.
And yet he will barely acknowledge that he was wrong.
Barely. Yeah, he just moved on and still
makes science. Yeah, he's still got ATV show on
it, right? Yeah.
And so that's, that's the, that's the unfair reality of the
world is that there are people who are malicious who will never
get their come UPS comeuppance, like they will never get face
some sort of repercussions for their actions.
They'll just move on to the next person.
You know, it's, it's a, it's a conveyor belt of black
victimhood that they can just constantly make money off of.
And you know, that's why, that's why I needed to write my book.
I felt like I needed to write my book in 2020 because also to
George Floyd, which is ambiguous.
Let's just take George Floyd off the table.
When you have a scenario like in Philadelphia, I don't remember
the guy's name, but we have a scenario like Philadelphia where
the mother calls the police to come to the house because her
son is acting violent and acting irate.
The police show up there, he has a machete and he chases the cops
around the car. On video, he's chasing the
police officer around the car with this machete with the
intent to use it. So they shoot him and he dies.
Then they riot over this and perpetuate it as some sort of,
you know, victimless crime that was committed against an
oppressed black man. It's this that's the most
ridiculous thing in the world. No one would blink an eye if
this person wasn't black. But there's money to be made by
trying to link some sort of victim situation to the very
people who hurt other people within black communities.
The mother, who is a black woman, called the police for
their help, you know, because of, of someone who is acting
violently. They didn't call help.
They didn't call the police because they need to stop this
black person. They called the police 'cause
they needed help. It didn't matter that this
person was black. So I mean, it's it's this idea
that there has to be some sort of cocoon of race wrapped around
every scenario or cocoon of identity wrapped around every
scenario that's negative that happens.
And I'm, I don't know if you want to go into it, but no, we
can. Sometimes you're just an, A hole
with a machete, like if you're an A hole with a machete, you
get shot. That's like, you shouldn't chase
cops with a big knife. It turns out to be a really
dangerous move. I, I find it interesting.
I see some of the exchanges between you.
I think his name is Zeke Arkham. Is that his name?
He's a former cop or he might even be a current cop.
And, and, and I like his takes on things too.
I, I tend to agree with a lot of them because I think they're
very nuanced. I think they're, they're down
the middle as far as my experience as well.
You know, you talk about culture being the thing that drives us
together. I, I went and actually performed
a wedding and I wouldn't call it a black wedding, although my
buddy is black and actually he told me he's multiracial.
I just don't know what the other race is like, just like, because
we never got into it. His mom's black.
I don't think I've met his dad. So maybe his dad is Korean or
something else. But, you know, so we, I went and
I performed the wedding and I wanted to hang out with his, his
uncles, who were all from from Los Angeles, from all kinds of
parts of Lai did not want to hang out with his bride's
family, who were all from New York.
And they were all like these like East Coast libs and like,
we had nothing in common. Like they were really judgmental
people, you know, like, we may have the same skin color, but
like, man, I don't want to talk to them.
They suck. They, they were weirdos and they
had all these weirdo takes on the world and they thought
everything was, you know, this strange lens that I couldn't
identify with. I want to go talk to the guys
about things that I care about, which was we were discussing
BBQ. We were assessing, you know,
great weather in LA, how it was really hot in North Carolina.
Like we had all this stuff in common.
We were just just regular dudes, stuff that we were, you know,
connecting about, you know, their, their, their nephew,
who's my buddy was, you know, in the Army and I'd been in, in
the, in the military. So we talked about military
service and things that mattered and all those things were far
more in common than anything that had to do with the way we
look. Like I said, the people who
quote UN quote, looked like me and I probably had very little
in common 'cause we couldn't see the same world they were.
They, you know, and also just people from New York are in own,
you know, their own animal. As you probably know, there's a,
there's that mindset that they're the only people in the
world and their perspective is the only one that matters, which
is terrible. Like I'd rather hang out from
some, if you said you want to hang out with someone from
Nebraska or New York, 10 times out of 10 I'm going to go with
Nebraska. I don't even know anything about
the person. I'll just pick that based on I
don't want to hear any more New York stuff.
I'm done with it. It's too much.
So in any case, yeah, we can go down the rabbit hole.
Let's let's go a little bit on there and then we'll talk about
how that shapes your, your take on kind of how people have been
going after the the vaccine mandate and now we're a couple
years away from it. So now we're seeing some
interesting, interesting virtue signaling, we'll call it, which
I think is related. Well, the, the rabbit hole that
I wanted to go down was so people understand, I used to be
a Democrat, now I'm an independent.
And so with me writing my book about victimhood and ideology,
I'm very sensitive to all types of victimhood and ideology.
And so now what I've become very keen to is like propaganda as
well, because I propaganda helps push ideology and there's
propaganda that exists on the right as well.
And you've probably seen on Twitter, when I get in, I do it
very seldomly, but I feel, I do it when I feel like it's
necessary. When I point out to people that
on right wing Twitter, right, we'll just use that as an
example because it's the most political environment on right
wing Twitter. I, I lay out to people, we know
that not 100%, not even 90% of all crimes are committed by
black people, right? Yet nearly 100% of the content
of violence that exists on the right is of black people
committing crimes. Does that not seem weird?
Like just abstractly? Does that not seem strange to
you? You're talking about the things
that they are going to recognize that we're this is the this is
the the 13 percent argument or the 6% argument that we see
popping up, which always is a trigger for me.
And I think you and I have had some exchanges about it as well.
It's like, yeah, there there's some violent crimes and maybe a
large, a larger percentage of violent crimes are committed by
black people, but it's against black people.
Yeah. Like that's the thing.
That's the thing that's most importantly left out.
It's like, who do you think the victims are?
It's like they're coming into your house from some other
neighborhood people, you know, offend the people that are close
to them. That's that's who people get
injured by and it's someone in law enforcement.
I know that for a fact. It's like, where were these
crimes taking place? Oh, you deal drugs outside of
your own house. You don't like, commute to a new
neighborhood and then go cause problems there.
You screw up your own house, your own neighborhood.
That's what people do. You know, white collar criminals
are stealing from people around them that, that are white collar
as well. You know, they didn't go in like
embezzled from the, from the hood.
That's not what happens. So it, it's I, I think that's
what we're getting at, right? It's like there's a nuance
that's being missed and it makes for a talking point that's
false. Well, it's being purposefully
missed. OK, Yep.
And I, and I think that there are perpetrators of propaganda
that want to stoke white victimhood complexes that are
saying like, for example, we could talk about statistics.
The statistics also show, like you said, overwhelmingly the
victims of the crimes look just like them.
Whether you're white or black, the victims on the crimes look
just like them. Yet they will, they will hyper
focus on the small fraction of let's say racial hate crimes.
But it's not even necessarily racial hate crimes.
It's crimes that are committed against someone who's not of the
same race, right? That's what the FBI stat say.
They don't say hate crimes, right?
Hate crimes is a different stat altogether, but they want to
hyper focus on that. So if I show you 90 percent, 95%
of all crimes that are violent are committed against people who
look just like them. You're you're taking the five to
10% to make your argument that they're out to come and get us,
right. Well, it's, it's honestly, it's
the same and it goes, it goes on both sides, right?
Because when we see that on the left, they're talking about
white supremacy being the domestic terrorists that are the
most dangerous. But but how small a percentage
are domestic terrorists that are, you know, white
supremacists in this world? The, the homicide numbers are
like 77 / a decade and 77 people is too many people to die from,
you know, something horrible like that.
And yet more people are killed by their own lawn mowers every
year than are killed in a decade of angry, you know, dangerous
white supremacists. So we just have to like
prioritize, is this really the threat that we need to put our
money on? We need to put our time into.
And, and I always get into this with people, you know, they,
they want to talk about guns and guns in schools and all those
other kind of nonsense. And I'm a big gun guy.
So like, I'm, I'm going to push back on it.
But I've always said if we've gotten down to the point where
my guns and people like me's guns are the last thing that are
keeping Americans from being safe in their homes.
We figured out diabetes, we figured out heart disease, we
figured out hypertension, we figured out drunk drivers.
We've stopped medical malpractice and have, you know,
500,000 people a year die from bad surgeries.
And, you know, people that are surgeons that have been awake
too long or whatever the hell the problems are if we solve all
those things that we're down and it's just guns now that are
keeping people from living their best lives.
Let's talk about that. But when we get there, like,
well, I'm #15 on the list, we got a bunch of things up above
it that we should be probably talking about if you want to
waste your energy on. But it's not.
It's propaganda. And I think you're spot on with
that. Yeah, exactly.
They can notice. They'll talk, they'll talk.
They'll talk per capita. When it benefits them, they
won't talk about it when it doesn't benefit them.
They'll talk about, well, disproportionate when it
benefits them and disproportionately not, but
they'll they'll go back and forth whenever it suits whatever
outcome that they're trying to perpetuate.
So like, for example, when we talk about police shootings, the
shooting of unarmed black men, right?
And, and people would be quick to say 2019, I think it was like
13 of unarmed. And that doesn't mean that they
weren't doing something. It just means that they didn't
have a weapon on them. So they were unarmed people who
were shot by the police and killed.
Out of the 330 million of people that we know of that live in
this country, 13, right? But then if you talk to them
about, well, how's that proportionate as far as black
victims that were killed, or I'm sorry, let me rephrase that,
proportionate as to how many black criminals exist within the
black community. They won't talk about that,
right? So they they have to perpetuate
that 13. They have to say 13% to say that
the demographic is responsible for the actions of the worst.
Right. They, that's what they have to
do. And what I what I started
laughing about when I realized this and what I saw someone say
something to me and whatever they were saying, I can't
remember the exact words, but what they were saying was
essentially collective guilt. So the people who scream about
communists? Right.
Who want to, who want to scream about individualism?
It's individual. Yeah.
The equivalent would be saying that all white men are
responsible for serial killers because the majority of serial
killers are white males. Right.
And they would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, that that's, well, I, I
didn't, I'm not a serial killer. I don't know.
No, that's not fair. You don't do that.
And there's not very many serial killers by percentage either.
There's a very, very small percentage of people that have
that psychopath or that psychological condition that
allows it. And yet, yeah, so it's funny.
We lose nuance, right, when it suits us.
And, and I, I think all human beings are guilty of that,
trying to, you know, that confirmation bias, which I like
that you call it out. I try to do the same.
I try to be aware of it. The other thing is this is
there's a lack of humility that when someone calls you out on
that kind of thing that you can accept.
It's like, Oh yeah, I, I, I should change my mind.
For some reason. Now we're all married to our own
thoughts and think that we shouldn't evolve.
And and if if you think that you know everything at 38 or I know
everything at 41, we might as well just give up the ghost
right now because if we're not going to keep learning or or
realizing some of our own flaws. Like I think it's the purpose of
what most of religion has always been around and we've lost that
in this country. But that's sort of perpetual
striving to be better. People used to do that.
That was called grace. That was called that was called
humility. And those were virtues.
And now it's like victimhood and self righteousness seem to be
the virtues that are that are celebrated particularly on
social media. Exactly.
You know, I, like I said, I switched my politics.
I'm not so much like everything that I believe, but I've
switched my political affiliation to being like a, a,
a strong moderate Democrat to just being an independent who is
who has some conservative viewpoints, who has some liberal
viewpoints. It kind of just depends on what
it is. But even even since publishing
my book and I, I like to write and just forget about it.
But there are some things I could probably go back in my
book and I would update and maybe have more clarity about or
maybe add in that I've evolved on since even just the two years
that my book, my book has been out.
Like life is about evolution. Life is about evolving and how
you see the world. And I'm always trying to expose
myself to different people. I, I've learned so much about
things that I had no idea about within the past couple years and
I had to have some sort of humility about it.
I've had to have some flexibility as to how I see
things. And I just don't understand when
people don't you. Know it's just surprising.
Yeah. It, it seems like a no brainer,
but it, it's, it's, it's more common than not.
I, I, we keep finding it. It's these people that's like, I
know this thing. I'm going to continue to know
this thing. Nothing you say can dissuade me
because they're emotionally committed to it.
And and I start making this argument that people on the, the
political left, and I'm sure there's people on the right.
I just don't deal with them as much that way that have that
have created a religion around these these intractable tenants
of their own beliefs. They cannot accept that there is
any nuance to it, that there's any movement because someone
told them this thing and now it is forever true.
As opposed to saying, you know what?
I never thought about it that way.
I love having I've never thought about it that way.
Moments People tell me something and I go like, oh, I got some
things to think about. Thank you for that.
That's a that's kind of like a great human moment when you get
to have that interaction with someone.
You walk away and you learn something or you've you've added
some a different facet to something that you thought you
had it all figured out and you realize, well, that that shape
that I had was pretty 2 dimensional.
There's more to it. Yeah.
For some reason people don't like, it's not encouraged.
It's certainly not encouraged on social media.
Nobody wants to have any grace on social media.
Well, that's, and the people who ask questions generally want to
learn something like that's the reason why you're asking
questions. And so the people who never ask
a question, the people who are never inquisitive about
something, who are always certain that this is the thing
and this is the way it should be.
These are people that I tend not to gel with.
I gel with people who are curious, and I gel with people
who've had ups and downs in their lives who face some sort
of turmoil. I gel with this these type of
people. I try to find some sort of
commonality with literally anybody.
You know, I've been in rooms with donors, political donors,
and I try to find some way, you know, this guy is a millionaire,
but let me try to find something you know, that I can find some
sort of association with. Oh, you like this team, too?
Oh. Oh, yeah.
That's great. Yeah.
You know, you try to find something, but you try to learn
from these people like it's, it's so easy on social media to,
to make people out to be the devil, to make the and listen,
there are some evil people that exist in this world for sure.
But man, like some of the people that you think are evil are just
like suffering individuals. Yeah, they probably, I mean they
have to deal with them themselves every day.
You only have to deal with them when you see them.
What do you attribute that that instinct to go find commonality
with with strangers? What do you where do you think
that came from, if you've given it any thought at all?
Yeah, I have a little bit, I think.
I think if I'm to be honest with you, part of the reason why is
because I've always felt a little disconnected from people.
Like I wanted to be connected with people, but I've always
been very quiet, distant, you know, it takes me a while.
Well, especially when I was younger, it would take me a
while to warm up to people. So I don't even know if it's
like not trusting per SE, but just weary because I, you know,
maybe I don't want to get hurt or maybe I don't want to
embarrass myself or, you know, things like that, you know,
always very unsure if I'm going to say the right thing, if this
person's going to like me, you know, And I think when I started
building my confidence, I wanted to take that step out.
I wanted to understand people. And I also learned that I'm not
the only person who struggled with this particular thing.
Like we all have some sort of anxiety, you know, a healthy
amount about different things. So I, I think I just wanted to
learn more about, as I wanted to learn more about myself, I want
to learn more about people. And that's kind of like what led
to me to, you know, when I started traveling, the traveling
aspect became less about the place and more about the people
that I would meet. Yes, which is why I like, I've
been to Germany 7 Times Now, whereas other people were like
oh I've been to Germany now let me go to this other place and
you know, I, I'll tell you a quick story.
I went to Portugal and I was doing a walking tour and I met
some some German tourists and we hung out for the night and had a
great time. It was German, French, German
and French tourists. We had a great time and we kept
in contact. At least one of them kept in
contact. We met up again when I went out
to Berlin, hung out, drank, had a great time.
She just happened to be bouncing around America, was staying in
New York City and picked her up from the train station in New
Jersey. And we had dinner together.
And I was like, she's like, how cool is this?
Like we just came full circle and, you know, but because to me
it was, it was less about like, I went to this place, like
that's cool. I like the buildings and
everything. But it was more about like, I
met these cool people who live a completely different life than I
do, who have a different view of the world than I do.
And, and I want to see their perspective and, and, you know,
we just connected that way. So I think that kind of
escalated even more for me, you know, to understand, like, I
know very little about the world and I'm trying to figure it out.
I, I met a guy on a plane one time.
I think I was flying back from Amsterdam, but I don't actually
remember where I was flying. I might have been flying into
the US. It was an international thing.
This, you know, I was like 20 something years old and, and
I'll never forget the guy's name because it was one of those
names you can't forget. His name was Moti.
And I'm probably mispronouncing his last name, but he spelled it
for me and it's shitrit, SHITRIT.
So I met this guy. He was Israeli.
He had we were talking about Amsterdam and he was explaining
about how he had this idea for like a worldwide charity that
would bring people to Amsterdam to just see that all people can
get along. And we all kind of want our kids
to live a better life than we did.
And they all, you know, all people have a lot of things in
common. It was just like really charming
conversation, like two people that were just very open and
about some stuff and, you know, young and idealistic in many
ways too. But I'm, I'm curious and I'll
have you reflect on it and probably no answer now, but
maybe, maybe you'll DM me later and tell me when I was growing
up. And I grew up in a lot of
different places as well. I lived in, I don't know, two or
three different states, but I, I went to 10 different schools
before I got to high school. And I felt like I was always
very good at doing the thing that you're talking about,
finding that commonality. And I used it when I was a
salesperson, too, because you got to make that connection
immediately. I felt like that I had it
because I was always the new guy and everybody else always knew
everything about each other. And I had to go and establish
that connection right away because I may not be there for
very long. I may only have a year in this
place before I get yanked out and go to another school.
This was my mom's neurosis in some ways.
And it was my, you know, academic interest.
We would just, you know, I went, like I said, 10 schools before
high school. So I always was the new kid and
I always was getting thrust in these situations where I didn't
know anybody. And so you got a couple of
seconds to try and re establish that rapport, that connection.
The easiest way is finding out what we have in common.
And then, you know, there's obviously a human nature of it
too. But people laugh because they
always go, oh, you're so extroverted.
And they go, I'm really introverted.
My energy comes from being by myself.
I could go for days without people and that'd be fine.
I'd love to, you know, if you gave me a chance to like, go to
a party or go to like a wood shop, I'd go to the wood shop
every time and just, you know, cut and do that.
But you learn that behavior, and it sounds like you've also
learned it, and that I think you're probably an introverted
guy as well, even though you're very good at discussing your own
thoughts and discussing with other people.
Yeah, if you get like, give me the same type of choice.
Go to a party or, you know, hang out by myself.
I'd likely hang out by myself, but I also these days I
recognize the importance of that skill set to go to the party and
not feel self-conscious about going.
It's really important too. Yep.
Yeah, and that's something that took me a while.
And, and my son, like he's had moments where he's kind of like,
you know, he feels uncomfortable and I'm like all that's normal.
Like it's OK. I try to tell him and I, I tell
other people who have anxiety because I've done this myself.
You ask yourself, what's the worst thing that'll happen?
So I actually go towards it. And when you actually map it
out, like the worst thing that'll happen is like, I look a
little bit embarrassed or maybe I might say something
embarrassing, but nobody knows who I am anyways.
Like it doesn't matter. I'm never going to see these
people again. So and.
They have no reference. Only you have the reference.
Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so we used to, we used to
have this thing in the military, they'd say.
But did you die? Yeah.
You know, it's like this, all this stuff happened, but did you
die? And it's like, well, no, I'm
talking to you. And they'd be like, how bad was
it really? Yeah.
There's a, there's a good, there's a strength in that.
I and I'll, I'll tell you this and I think you'll also
empathize with this position. I went through basic training
when I was 27. I went through a bunch of
difficult military selections at that age, 27/28/29.
And a lot of the guys I went through it with were younger,
17/18/19 years old, and they would quit.
You know, you see like Navy SEAL training where they're out there
in the water and you know, they go ring the bell and they quit.
And a lot of guys would quit because they didn't have an
extra decade of did you die experience.
And the older you get and the more life experience you have,
the more that you realize perspective that every rough day
has ended. And, you know, I've gone without
having any money in my, you know, I've gone a week without a
without a bite to eat. I've spent time where I was, you
know, sleeping in my car or sleeping on my brother's couch.
And I had not a penny to my name.
I didn't know how I was going to live.
I thought it might die and all this other kind of stuff.
And when you live through that and you didn't die, right?
And it gives you perspective that you go to a party and like,
somebody thinks that you're a goon.
Like, I'll probably never see them again.
And even if they don't like me, that's just one person.
And there's millions and millions and millions of people
out there. So I'll probably be OK.
And that seems important. You know, it's interesting that
you bring that up because you know, some people say like, oh,
Adam, you're brave for saying these things and and using your
face and name. But like, I, one of the things
that I thought about was I would, I didn't feel right not
saying something and looking at my son and telling him like he
should speak up when he feels that need to say something and
I'm not doing it. So that was one thing.
But the other thing was like, as I was writing it, I was
preparing myself for the worst possible outcome.
And the worst possible outcome I could think of was like, I've
lose my job or something. Well, I've been homeless
multiple times. I, you know, I've been broke
multiple times. Like it sucks, but I've been
there and I can get through it. And I think for a lot of people,
they see this as an act of bravery because they've never
gone through struggle like that. Like they've probably lived in
the same town their entire life. They grew up in the same home.
You know, they've had a pretty decent comfortable life and
world history since, like, you know, you lived a pretty solid
life and they're very fortunate because of it.
But I think there's a level of risk that people who have been
through something tumultuous or something chaotic throughout
their life or, you know, just like having ups and downs, not
necessarily like something crazy, but just kind of going
through stuff that makes you say like, I'll come out of it.
And actually one last thing I'll say is it makes me think about
how they talk about successful people in business.
Most of them have had a failed business.
Yes. And then they recover from it.
Why? Because they failed.
And they learn from it and they say, well, I'm still here.
So and then they have time to kind of build up and try again.
And then they have success. So they're willing to take that
risk because they've already been through the worst of it.
That's right, yeah. The fear, the fear of losing or
the fear of failing goes away when you fail a couple times and
it doesn't kill you so. There.
There is something funny about did you die?
I mean, it was juvenile. It was it was these are the same
guys that would like slap a drink out of your hands and say
beat it nerd to you, you know, because it was just like a jock
meathead attitude. But did you die is is a a
worthwhile question When we're talking about things that are
really not that big of a deal, it really puts things in
perspective. Most people don't have that
perspective and so they're scared and they're scared to put
their name in their face out there.
You and I, I've both done that. Maybe that's what I liked about
your, you know, the honesty that I saw on that and I didn't see
it as uniquely. I, I just saw I was like, oh,
that's, that's what my tribe looks like.
My tribe are people that put their face to their opinions.
They say strong things that are maybe controversial, but they
believe them and they're willing to back them up.
I had a guy named Ryan Riley, who's a writer for MSNBC.
And my first podcast episode was just me sitting with a
microphone. It was awful.
I watch it and I just cringe and I didn't know what I was going
to say. And so I just kind of rambled
for 45 minutes. And one of the things I did, I
was talked about my position on January 6th, which I had some
strong opinions on because I was a federal agent in Washington,
DC when all that goes down. And so he quotes me, you know,
in his article like it was a hit piece.
It was, it was meant to, to lampoon me and to, to character
assassinate me. And, and I, I retweeted his
article and I was like, everything that you said, I
said, I said, and I said it in public.
So I back it up like I'm not walking away from anything I
said, like I recorded that publicly on purpose.
Who do you think you're coming at, man?
Like honest to God. And once you've done that a
couple times and you people come at you and you know, if it's
your words and you stand by them, then what are they going
to do? Say that you don't stand by
them. That'd be the worst thing you
could do is walk away from your own real thoughts.
Yeah, yeah. And, and to be honest with you,
I don't think I say stuff that's that controversial.
I say things that are pretty common sense.
That is controversial today, though.
Yes, it is. In some ways it is, you know it.
But it's, I'm trying to think of the best way of kind of putting
it like I'm not afraid because I don't really care.
Like I could turn off Twitter and just move on, you know, and,
and just live my life. You know, I just connected from
Twitter for that week because I was like, I'm starting to care
and I don't like that. My dad called me about that
literally last night. And he goes, are you getting any
value in going in these Twitter spaces?
And I said, yeah, I connect with human beings.
I talked about real stories. I hear their voice, you know,
they, they react to me. I, you know, there's more
followers that jump in and, and follow what I'm doing.
But I also, I'm able to do show prep and I get to hear what
other people are thinking about what's important to them.
So it allows me to do my show better.
And he goes, OK, as long as there's a there's a goal and he
goes, you know, it's not real though.
And I go, yeah, I know it's not real.
It's not real. There's not like 100.
There's not 100,000 people in the world that just love me or
think that I'm some sort of salvific figure.
Like there's 100,000 people that occasionally see something that
I write out there that might be snarky or it might be
insightful. It's really important.
I I liked when you'd unplugged when you sent that message.
I was like cool. And it gave us a chance to
connect off off Twitter, which I thought was cool as well.
But it's really important. Like I, I tell people all the
time, it's like, dude, go, go touch some grass, get outside.
I don't know what you're doing, but this is Twitter.
You're not real. You're a number and A and a
couple of letters. You don't even have your own
face picture up. You don't have your own real
name. Like, you're not a real person
to me, bot is just a nice way of saying that, but you're just,
you're a coward. You're you're, you're an
anonymous person yelling from a crowd of other anonymous people.
Put your face to it and I'll talk to you like a person.
Yeah, yeah. It I just think it's funny.
I think it's funny. I don't I don't take Twitter too
seriously. And the moment that I did, for
half a minute, I was like, I got to get off this place.
Well, you know, I stay away from, I try to stay away from
the activity. I try not to initiate arguments.
I try to talk to people like I want to be talked to, you know,
I, you're better. Than me on that one.
I don't always do that. Yeah, I go pick a fight when
people are at mostly when I think they're doing things that
are really dangerous. They're saying things that are
really that are really antisocial is probably the best
way to do it. Things that don't move forward
our social experience in this country.
I want to fight those wars, but it doesn't mean it's good.
It it's, it's kind of dope. I mean, I mastered the art of
hitting the mute button on time. Yeah, well, that's the other
thing. It's they're not real.
Like it's like you can walk away from them.
So that's not a real person. If you were really having that
argument, there would be some consequences, at least
emotionally, for having it. But those are real.
I don't, I don't want to invest that much into it.
There's there's been so many times like I've, I've tweeted
something out that like pissed off the right and then they
start arguing and I say my, I add my further context to what
I'm saying. And then like all the responses,
the same responses. I'm like mute anyway.
There's no, there's no upside. Yeah, exactly.
Like can we get, what kind of tacos are we going to be
getting? That'd be really good.
I like that. Sauce themselves.
Anything, anything else is better than that.
Well, you got fired up this morning and and that's kind of
why we're talking about. It's something that I think we
have. We have different takes on the
same problem. There was a vaccine mandate that
went out in private industry. It went out in the federal
government, it went out in the military.
And this was at least in, in the federal service, it was
Executive Order 14043. And they were some analogous
ones that went out for, for independent contractors and
different industries, mostly medical seem like, and
transportation related. And your wife was one of the
people that was in that position.
You use the word coercion. I really liked it.
Somebody came back and kind of virtue signal that at me and at
you, 'cause I, I shared your thread and they said, oh, if
you, you know, you're not a victim, if you chose to get
something, you could have, you know, lost everything.
And the answer is, yes, you could.
But how about a little bit of grace that you could have, a
little bit of humility because if somebody takes your kid and
you give them money, you're a victim of being extorted for
ransom. And and if somebody comes in and
they take your private information and they ask for
money in order to keep it safe, that's called blackmail.
You're a victim of blackmail. And if somebody comes in and
tells you that we are going to disrupt the status quo in your
life and we're going to take your paycheck unless you do what
we say, that's coercion, right? And, and several, several of
those are crimes just for what it's worth.
And so you had an interesting perspective on it.
Maybe share some of your thoughts.
I got, I got our producer Ryan out here.
Just kill it with like some great cartoons and memes.
End of the day, there's a lot of contention about this because
everybody thinks they're one thing, but they're doing it from
these anonymous Twitter accounts.
And so we don't know what their real story is.
Yeah, so and that's why and I got my wife's permission before
I even tweeted that out yesterday.
It's because it's her story really.
So the, it stems from someone saying that they're tired of
these adults saying that they were forced into taking a
vaccine, they were enforced, they chose it.
And what was very I very interesting about that tweet was
initially I, I didn't know who this person was.
But the more it was explained to me about this person is that
this person is actually not a Covidien, not someone who's pro
vax. But on the opposite side, there
is someone who's against mandates.
And what the, the reason of them saying this is because they're
furthering, they're furthering a message that it is the person
who was being coerced. His fault that the, that the
institutions in the state were getting away with it, right?
So it's your fault that you're being extorted, right?
No victim blames. It's victim blaming.
And they're saying you're not being forced.
And when I say that's coercion, like if I come to you and say
either I will stab you or I will shoot you choose and and you
stab me because I say stab me, I can't, I'm not allowed to
complain that you stabbed me because I chose to be stabbed.
Like it's, it's the most asinine thing and it's.
Not a. It's definitely not a genuine
argument. It's it's, it's obviously
looking at things very myopically.
Right, right. And I and I said to someone, the
only people who had a choice in that scenario were the people
who actually wanted the vaccine. See, to them, they had the
choice because they wanted the vaccine.
But for the people who A did not want to lose their job and B,
did not want to get a vaccine, they were forced into a
position. They were forced.
They didn't ask one day to, they didn't knock on their employer's
door and say, Hey, could you put me in an unfair scenario where I
get to choose between my economics and my, you know.
Imagine that scenario though. That would have been really fun.
I actually might do that with somebody at some point knocking
the door and be like, excuse me, can you put me to a hard choice
for all my chips right now that I haven't thought out beforehand
and I'm I'm not going to have a a good outcome in give me two
bad scenarios that I could choose between.
What? What do you got?
Right. And then that it's to me that I
didn't think I would have to have this conversation because
it's so common sense, it's so obvious.
And especially it'd be one thing to to argue with like the
Covidians who will rationalize anything.
I love that you're using that word too, by the way.
Yes, the branch Covidians, they are it.
It's one thing to to argue with them because for many of them,
they're so ideological about it that they'll rationalize
anything, any action to to further the outcome that they
want, they'll just rationalize it.
But I'm not arguing with those people.
I'm arguing with the people that I should be on my side, or at
least should be understanding and should get it, that this is
a unfair position to put anybody in.
These, some of these people are the same people who claim to be
limited government conservatives or libertarians who talk about
free will. How is it free will?
But you're giving me a choice between two things that I didn't
ask for that I don't want. How is that free will?
And I and I saw these words being used.
No, you had the free will to to either be homeless and and
unemployed and have your kids starve or get the jab like I, I,
yeah, I'm. Going to have the same
conversation with people on the loony left about abortion.
It's like, well, apparently you don't like the fact that you
could move to another state if you're so in favor of abortion.
If that's so important to you, you can move to California and
deal with their tax structure and all the other crappy things.
You don't get to stay in Texas and have California laws,
though. Does that seem fair to you
'cause like that actually is the way our, our constitution was
set up. That's, that is the document
that we all kind of have to listen to.
But when it comes to the government's going to come down
and tell me, I had a guy that was in it, like he continued on
discussion after, after you and I kind of, you know, share this
thing out. And he was like, wow, some
people in the military, like, you know, they're, they're
authorized and required under UCMJ.
I'm like, I was in the military. I was enlisted.
There's a thing called a waiver. You don't lose your Title 7
protections to religious liberties.
If you have a religious objection, which I did you, you
don't have to do it. You know, it's real easy.
Like they have to evaluate it. And we know that wasn't
happening in a fairway. And then I also funded A lawsuit
that proved that that was the case.
The 5th Circuit is to said that this was no good and they pulled
it from the federal government's mandate.
You know, doesn't mean that I didn't get, I don't get my job
back, you know, but I'm one of the few people who this is my
name in my face. I went out and did the thing I
said and I went up to my boss and I said I'm not going to do
this. And also, by the way, I'm not
going to test for COVID every 72 hours because I think that is a
genocidal path. I think that is the first step
to othering and to divorcing us from our commonalities and
making me something that I am not, something very, very
different. And I said I've got a top secret
clearance. I've been a paramedic for a
decade. I'll stay home if I'm sick.
Is that good? If that's not good, I shouldn't
work here and turns out I don't work there anymore.
That's OK. You lose, you lose your job over
that kind of stuff. But very few people took the
same stand that I did, and I don't hold them accountable for
it. I'm not mad if you got the shot
and you didn't like it. I'm very sympathetic to people
that did that. It was a real rough thing and
the only reason why I was able to do what I did is because my
wife and I went. This house is just a house.
We have money in the bank. They can't starve us out.
We're going to be OK. Someone's got to take a stand.
It's going to be us. And it's just, it's almost
exactly what you said earlier about your son.
It's like, if you're not going to be the example of stepping
out and saying the thing that you know is true, how are you
going to tell your kids to go do that?
And so for me, that was an easy answer because I got little
kids, so I did. But, you know, God forbid I tell
everybody they have to act the way I did.
Like, that'd be a really crappy world.
I don't want to live in a world full of Kyle Sarah, if it's to
be fair. And I've seen, I've seen the
same type of people, you know, the people who speak out and
like, like me and you who use our faces to say like, everybody
needs to do these things. Like, no, for one, everybody
shouldn't. Have you heard the takes of some
people? Yeah.
No, we definitely they shouldn't.
Everybody shouldn't vote either. Like some people should just
take it like realize they don't know what they're talking about.
Maybe they shouldn't have a way in, but.
Right. But listen, if you feel called
to do it, I'm a free speech advocate.
I advocate for people to use their voice.
If they feel called to do so, just like I did, then do it.
But I'm not going to bemoan people like, why am I the only
one who's saying something like very high and mighty position?
And I've seen people do that. So like, even with us talking
about these anonymous accounts who want to talk about being
brave, it's not to say anonymous accounts are necessary or to to
shit on anonymous accounts. But I, you know, I use it as my
example in that thread. This person is behind an
anonymous account talking about how they would rather live in a
shack and how brave they would be.
Meanwhile, I don't even know what their name is, what they
look like. Yeah, real brave of you.
You're so sure, even though you weren't put in that position,
you're so sure that you would do these things.
And it reminds me somewhat of I've been around.
This is not a shot at gun owners or anything like that, But
there's you've and you've probably met these people.
They're, they are gun owners who are especially, they're usually
like really like crazy gun gun owners.
But like, there are gun owners who are let somebody walk on my
property, man, I shoot them as soon as one foot hits.
They speak so flippantly about taking another person's life
that you clearly know that they've never done it, never
been put in that position to do it, because anybody who has
actually been in that position, they are messed up from it.
They, it is not something you play with unless you're a
murderer. See, murderers and sociopaths
don't care. So unless you're trying to tell
me you're a sociopath and you don't care, then you wouldn't
play around with this, this situation that you've never
purposely been in. You would you would be shaking,
holding that gun like every normal person would be.
So stop acting. Like, and I've been in the
scenario where it's like, do I shoot this person or not?
You know, there's not a lot of people that can do to say
they've been in that that realm. I have some, a lot of police
officers, a lot of law enforcement in general get
there. It's not something you look
forward to. And there's a lot of other
things that weigh in. When I was in Portland, I had
Antifa surround my vehicle and I had my my hand on my weapon in
the dark with six people, men and women, surrounding my
vehicle wearing what looked like body armor aggressively.
And I was miles away from any protest.
They had sought me out on purpose, and that's OK.
And I had to make a decision. If one of these hands comes up,
I'm going to shoot that person. If they come out from be
underneath their waistband, I'm going to have to kill this guy.
But I don't want to. That's not a thing that anybody
should be excited about. And I probably could have
articulated with some of the movements that they did why I
did it. I also felt like my agency
wouldn't back me up. And so you make a lot of
calculations in a very, very short amount of time.
And I took a little bit more risk with my own personal safety
because of that. Simply knowing that this was
something you can't walk back from.
That is a permanent decision. And yeah, you talk about
sociopathy. If you're, if you're out there
and you're like looking for a for an engagement one, I think
you're full of BS. Most people who say that have
never done it. And then those of us that have
been put in that situation, I know what the threshold is.
If you come into my house at 2:00 in the morning, if you kick
down a door, my babies sleep upstairs, I will kill you before
I decide to like have a discussion with you.
That's not what I'm doing. We're not talking.
But if you knock on my door at 2:00 in the morning, I might
answer it or talk to you through the door and see how you're
doing. Because that's a weird thing to
do, right? So you've made a decision, then
you're going to trigger my decision that that that's
already been made. That's a very different animal
than someone walks on my property.
It's like, man, that's not worth shooting somebody over.
There are things that are worth shooting people over.
And some of us have been close to that scenario or in that
scenario, that's that's a serious decision that serious
people make. Yeah.
I'm not a big fan of of blustery talk for gun owners.
I made some strong statements the other day that if somebody
wants to come and hunt down my kids, like, you know, we'll bury
you here at Liberty Hill in, in Texas, like, and I mean that if
you come after my kids, I will end you.
That is an easy discussion. But that is not the same thing
as somebody walks on my property.
How dare you violate it. You should have shot those cops
when they came before they even knocked on the door.
It's like, 1, you can't live your life like that.
And two, like, you're a crazy person.
Maybe you should. Maybe you should get some
therapy. You got some things to talk
about. Yeah, exactly.
And so it it's just dealing with people who we're just dealing
with irrational and right fighters, right fighters.
Yeah, yeah. They just want to be right.
They want, they want to say that if that was me, I would have
done. You don't know what you would
have done that's. Right, I just I call them in the
least. Favorite questions?
It's. The supreme confidence of the
untested is what I always call it.
There's a lot of FBI agents that met that are like that.
They know what's right, but they've never been tested.
So how do they really know? You don't know how you're going
to react. And I told you that story about
me getting pulled off the wall. I did it before we taped this
thing. But but it's that you don't know
what you're going to sound like when you fall to your death
until you fall into your hypothetical death and survived.
And then people go like, yeah, man, you sound like this.
And and so you've been put to that decision for your chips and
your wife experienced it and she made a call.
Who who can say what? All the calculus that went in
your wife's decision other than your wife, That's it.
Nobody, nobody can. And nobody's accountable.
And all these people, a lot of them will, will claim to be
Christians. You know, I'm just saying
there's a lot of. People there all other topic.
They all claim to be Christians, but the most fundamental
Christian rule is, and I've, I've had this discussion about
whether it be gay rights or trans people.
And you know, I have a lot of personal feelings about a lot of
those things, mostly about my kids.
But the Christian position is, and it's, it's a good position
even if you're a secular humanist.
Remove the speck or the the plank from your own eye before
you go after the speck and your neighbors.
You know that that is the Christian position.
So how about judge yourself 1st and if you find yourself to be
totally without sin and you want to start throwing stones, OK, I
got some questions for you though.
How well did you examine that conscious?
Because we're all full of a lot of failures.
That's the human experience. That's the one thing we do all
have in common, I would say. Yeah, exactly.
I will say the one person that did make a choice in this
situation and see my my whole thing about the mandates was if
someone's already employed, it is unfair to put them in a
position to choose between this thing.
Yes. That's unfair position.
Now if you say for all new hires you must meet our requirements,
that's that stuff has always existed.
That's fundamental fairness. That's fairness.
You say you want somebody with a a bachelor's degree.
All right, Well, that's some sort of restriction to this job.
They have to have a bachelor's degree.
Yep. Right.
If they need a vaccine to get this job, they need a vaccine.
When I was working at my old employer, I refused to get the
vaccine because I refused to be forced to get it.
I was in a wait and see. Let me see how this turns out.
Let's see how this goes. Yep.
But when the whole Osha's decision was coming down and
they finally dropped it and I was like, thank God because I
did not want to go through the weekly testing nonsense that
they were about to implement that our our employer was like,
I don't want to do this. And they were about to, they
were about to implement it. But when I wanted to leave the
next job that I found, which is the job that I ended up taking,
they said in order to work here, you have to have the vaccine.
Then I got to make the choice. Then I made the decision.
I, I, I weighed the risk of the possibility of having some sort
of negative outcome versus versus moving on into something
that's a better opportunity for myself and my family.
So I made that choice. I took that risk and I turned
out to be OK from doing it, but that was it.
But I wasn't forced into that position, right?
I could have stayed up my job, but wasn't getting fired.
I could have stayed there. It's it's kind of unfair to have
it as a requirement, in my opinion, sort of unfair.
It shouldn't be. But you know what, it's their
prerogative as a, as a private company to say to cover our
hedges. And especially because we
service clients, to have people who are going to our clients
locations, they should be vaccinated so we don't have to
deal with any other BS or headaches.
So I get it and I comply with it on my own fruition.
That's right. But for for me to already be
working there, like what's crazy is my, my wife worked at, she
worked at a healthcare institution.
She worked through the entire pandemic.
That's the other big piece of it.
And I was in the same boat. I travelled.
I was in 120 nights away from home in 2020, like doing
surveillance on bad guys, doing my job all over the place, away
from my family when they locked down Virginia.
You know, my wife was all by herself with little babies and,
and I and nobody stopped me. Like I was on planes left and
right. I was in 18 different states in
2020. Nobody seemed like a little bit
concerned about whether or not it was safe for me then.
And suddenly when I'm like, you know, working in New Mexico two
years later, now we got to have this requirement.
And I found that to be very unfair as well.
And so I agree with you. It's like nobody took into
account, hey, did you just go through an entire experience
keep showing up to your job? Like how are you going to make
that argument to the person that has showed up every single day
for work, healthcare, transportation, law enforcement,
critical jobs, stocking shelves at Walmart?
How are you going to tell that person suddenly they're no
longer safe to be there after they've been doing it for 18
months in in one condition and that the conditions are suddenly
changed? There's no way you can't make
that argument in in good faith. Not at all, not at all.
And I, I think ultimately that's the point I was trying to make,
that this is this entire situation.
As much as they want to, this person wants to point fingers at
the people who are being coerced.
Because my argument is that whether you took the vaccine or
you took unemployment, you're the victim of tyranny.
Neither of them are. And you're not a winner if you
chose either one. You're a victim of the tyranny
that is a hand. So for someone to have anger
towards the person who is being forced into this position that
they didn't ask to be placed in more so than the people who are
putting them in the position, I have a problem with that.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
So I, I don't, I don't know where it stems from.
I don't know if it stems from ego of wanting to feel more
righteous because you would have done something different or that
you maybe you made that decision to not get it.
And you, you said I took a stand.
Do you want to just feel special about yourself?
But that doesn't make you any better or worse than anybody
else. You're equally as a victim for
being placed into that position that you should have never been
placed into. And and that ultimately is the
point. So my, and one last thing I'll
say is the the worst and most disingenuous statement that
people will say is that they chose money over health as if
they were some fat cats. You know, they just chose the
status quo. They were choosing to work at
the same place they've always worked.
Like they, they chose money as if they were just gambling at,
at Atlantic City. No, they chose to, to it's, it's
a wildest statement that, and so many people have said this, they
chose money over their health. No, they were forced into
choosing an unfair decision between two things they didn't
want as a completely different scenario.
So it and yeah, without me going on and on, I just wanted to, I
had fire this morning. I just wanted to make the, the
statement known that people like my wife, not just my wife, but
people like my wife, I hear these stories all the time how
they were forced into this unfair position, how they their
entire lives change because they were forced into making the
decision They didn't want to make.
How they, they said, OK, fine, I'll take it.
And then they had all types of medical issues.
They said, fine, I won't take it.
I'll get fired. And they have all types of
terrible economic issues that happened afterwards.
These are people who are the victims of tyranny.
Yet for whatever reason, there is a group of people who feel
like they have to be so arrogant about themselves of what they
would have done, or maybe some of them did do it and how the
rest should stand up against tyranny and stand up against
everybody. As if.
As if Has anybody ever gathered 10 people for a party and see if
all ten of them show up? They think they can gather 10
people in an office building and say, hey, listen, you're all
going to risk losing your jobs if we all just band together.
OK, let's see how that works out.
Yes. Look, it's just fucking fantasy
talk. It's it's.
It's the prisoner's dilemma situation.
This is very this is a classic psychological problem.
I'm glad I can leave you fired up.
I think that's a good way to leave it all rolled up.
This is what you would call wrong speak.
I think that's where I think your name comes from on on
Twitter, your handle and let people know where they can
follow it. If you want to hear more honest
discussion, the honest writing, infreflection and and humility.
I think there's a lot of humility in the way that you
present things. Tell people where they can find
you. I know we have very different
audiences that can that'll be able to come in and look into
your sub stack and things like that.
Yeah, so definitely on Twitter, I'm the most active there at
Wrong under score Speak. I have a subsac account, Adam B
coleman.subsac.com or you can go to www.adambcoleman.com.
Either way, bring it to the same place.
I'm also the founder of Wrongs to Publishing.
So we published articles, opinion articles, and we just
started getting into news as well and we'll be expanding in
the books department soon, hopefully later this year,
publishing another book besides my own.
You can go to wrongspeak.net. To find out more information
about our team. You can go to our sub stack.
That's primarily where we put everything and that is
www.wrongspeakpublishing.com. And I'll send you over to our
sub stack and you can read all our articles from different
people. If you want to be part of it,
you can definitely send us the e-mail submissions at
wrongspeak.net if you want have an opinion article, and we're
starting to take news tips as well, so definitely send them
in. Excellent stuff.
And and you have a podcast as well that you do, is that
correct? Sort of it's like a it's a
podcast I have on my sub stack where I kind of rant whenever I
feel like I want to rant. I love it.
That's that's a good outlet. That is a good outlet.
All right, well, folks, you can check those things out.
We'll put them all in the show notes.
I do want to say a big thank you, Adam, for spending the
morning with me and chatting about this stuff.
Thanks for sharing some of the fire and sharing some of those
vulnerable, you know, sort of vulnerable stories.
I think that's what makes people understand that we're all more
human than we have, a lot more in common than we don't.
And I think it's an important perspective.
So I do appreciate you spending that morning with me, buddy.
Thank you for having me on quick short notice.
I appreciate it. No, it was great.
I'm glad we could fill this thing and I'm glad we finally
got to make this connection because it was a, it was a wild
and pending now. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
that has been the Kyle Seraphin show for this Wednesday.
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favorite parts. I admire you and your amigos,
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You are all very brave and have my respect.
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