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Prepared to hear the truth from 
a real whistleblower and 

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American patriot? 
Here's civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and indefinitely 

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suspended FBI agent Kyle 
Serafin. 

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Welcome back to the Kyle Serafin
Show. 

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This is producer Phil filling in
for Kyle while he's on Christmas

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vacation. 
We'll be setting up for Part 2 

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of the Dan Bongino interview. 
Before we get to that, we have 

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to thank all of our folks who've
been kind enough to give a five 

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star review like this one from 
Always a Storm. 

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Who writes? 
I've listened to all of Kyle's 

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shows, some of them twice. 
It's hard to believe he hasn't 

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been doing podcast shows for a 
living, but I think it's because

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he knows his subject matter and 
speaks with the kind of 

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confidence and authority that 
proves he's done his homework. 

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He is a true supporter of the 
people in the Constitution. 

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He and The Who have been on and 
involved in the show are the 

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exact people we would want in 
our federal agencies. 

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Sadly, they are the very ones 
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Excellent show. 
Looking forward to the next one.

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Thanks always for that nice five
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If you'd like to have your five 
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it'll be on the next episode. 
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Send Go is still out there. 
Thank you to everyone who's been

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kind enough to donate, including
Joe who writes Stay strong 

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brothers. 
Reach out anytime. 

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There are more supporters in and
outside the Bureau than you will

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ever know. 
Appreciate hearing that, Joe. 

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All right, so let's get to the 
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If you heard Part 1, you're now 
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everything got kicked off. 
Now we'll go to Part 2, which a 

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lot of people have said was the 
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with Dan Bongino, especially the
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So listen all the way to the end
and let us know what you think. 

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Let's go. 
Part 2 of my interview with FBI 

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agent Kyle Serafin, 
whistleblower, American Patriot.

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Really appreciate you being 
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Part 1 of this was eye opening 
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I did not know a lot of that. 
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interview call, but that was 
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We had ended off on January 6th,
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January 6th was kind of this 
seismic earthquake movement in 

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the FBI where things changed. 
They bought into the hype that 

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this was a Pearl Harbor like 911
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What changed? 
Who was running that 

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investigation and who could be 
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So the way that it went down is 
it's so bizarre to so many 

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people. 
I have friends that retired over

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this, you know, they just said 
I'm done. 

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I was going to do more time, but
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They took supervisors who had 
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they moved them over and they 
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main field office and they 
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squads is what my, my 
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I could be off, but that's three
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dozen agents or more. 
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sending TD wise tech, you know, 
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backfilling these so. 
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From every part of the country, 
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hook to give X number of bodies 
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OK. 
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they pulled all of our 
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off and they sent us into the 
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these leads. 
So in the FBIA, lead comes in 

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through this electronic means. 
It's a couple of ways it could 

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agent, he's doing some work or 
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know, go size them up, whatever 
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Hey, would you go serve this 
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these financial records? 
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whatever The thing is, right? 
There's a lot of different leads

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through our national call 
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time after Parkland and is it 
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And my numbers are going to be, 
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But let's say 99% of those are 
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telling you about the implant 
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And I know you saw them when you
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It's just what happened. 
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This is a secret. 
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Yeah, just. 
Everybody wanted to kill the. 

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Prince, that's right. 
Very few people do. 

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involved in that. 
You know, they're going to stake

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you know, so we'd have a booklet
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thousands of leads that had to 
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be looked at because any one of 
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that breaks the case, whatever 
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assignment just like the 
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plussing up this squad so they 
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everybody's. 
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Washington field office. 
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I don't think a lot of people 
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You know, one of the guys out of
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in. 
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DCI said all it's going to teach
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to DC. 
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knowledge when you're a younger 
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realize that it's not good. 
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he complained to me every single
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Hey, this is, this is not a good
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Like what's going on here? 
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things. 
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Here's the deal. 
We had a queue of these leads 

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and the leads are these 
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Whether you go pick up a 
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stuff from a bank, You're going 
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different area. 
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They'll just go do the 
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So you send your questionnaires.
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and stuff like that. 
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These leads, they're coming in 
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and they're coming in, you know,
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hyperbolically speaking, we say 
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It's the guy, you know, the CIA 
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is trying to kill me or, you 
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All the crazies. 
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altogether. 
It was America like just going 

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crazy. 
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only, you have to just quote 
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It's like I got one that says 
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I, I knew Dan, you know, back in
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hole. 
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Reagan. 
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Trump up directly. 
These are these are all over the

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things, if not more. 
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you know, maybe 1000 or 2000, 
but we're just trolling through 

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these things. 
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would have been and like. 
Calling the FBI to do. 

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That yeah. 
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A lot of those would come in 
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So we'd get the IP and it would 
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from. 
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whatever it is, they they would 
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It's like, I didn't like him a 
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I haven't seen him in 10 years, 
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picture number 75 because it was
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hundreds of people that were, 
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the capital or whatever it was. 
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like #75 So it's probably him. 
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You know, So if you sent that to
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trash. 
That's garbage. 

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That's not a lead. 
That's a crazy person to me. 

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That's a that's a potentially 
someone alleging a First 

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Amendment protective activity 
that they attended a rally. 

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OK. 
But that's not what happened. 

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And like I'm saying that there 
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things and there were hundreds 
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of people looking at them. 
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background research. 
Some of these would come in half

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baked with a package and they'd 
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and you know, he lives in 
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here's his address. 
So we need someone to go talk to

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him. 
And So what happened so many of 

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these things is that somebody 
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which I would have absolutely 
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something's the effect of it's 
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You, you want to talk to me 
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You know, you don't have this 
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are within your rights to say 
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Oh, you don't want to talk to 
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Well, it's really nice meeting 
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I'm out. 
You know, that's the end of 

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that. 
But so many people, because of 

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the letters of it and because 
the people associate the FBI 

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with being this law enforcement 
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intelligence agency, they came 
out and they would talk. 

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And it turns out you weren't at 
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You didn't show up at the 
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You were going to go. 
You said it on Facebook, but you

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actually didn't. 
But your buddy did. 

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And here. 
Well, what's your buddy's name? 

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And then you tell me. 
All right, Well, then we go talk

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to him. 
Hey, were you in the capital? 

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Yeah. 
Did you take any pictures? 

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Zach, can we see your phone? 
Oh, OK. 

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Cool. 
Trespassing charges. 

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It's. 
Trespassing. 

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Well, whatever it was, you know,
trespassing or you went behind 

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the lines or you interfered with
a congressional, whatever the 

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whatever the charges are, so 
many of them are misdemeanors. 

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And I say in that way because, 
again, you associate the FBI 

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Taking down the mob. 
Taking down the mob, you know, 

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the Rudy Giuliani era. 
I mean, I had worked with George

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Gabriel, who was involved with 
the John Gotti case when he was 

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running Lyra in Long Island. 
Trespassing is my buddy Pete, 

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Hegseth said on Fox once. 
Reminds him of the Allen Iverson

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called practice. 
You know, we're talking about 

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practicing. 
You know, I get it. 

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I would have not preferred 
January 6th turned out different

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as well. 
I think any sane person would 

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have been. 
But to take, you know, 6 figure 

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FBI earners with a set of skills
and to ghost, you know, let them

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just run out all across America 
taking tips about a guy you met 

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in potentially 8th grade showing
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little Orwellian. 
To me it seems insane and it 

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happened and it probably will 
continue. 

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The the first thing they teach 
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going through the basic law. 
We don't, we don't learn any 

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federal statutes, which is a 
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And, and that's probably a a 
surprise to people who went to 

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things like FLIO or people 
who've been through other law 

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enforcement academies. 
We don't cover federal statutes.

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We cover constitutional law. 
So that's good. 

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Yeah, but how do you investigate
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not learning them in Quantico? 
You got to go learn them at your

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at your field squad and you only
learn and you pretty much only 

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learn what you're working. 
Wow, that's a interesting. 

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It's not like I'm walking 
through the street and I have a 

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broad palette of federal cases 
that I have in my mind. 

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And it's like when I see the 
problem, it's like, oh, I know 

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that's a violation of, you know,
fill in the blank 18. 

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You would see this or 21. 
That's not how it works. 

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We have two major, you know, 
coverages, Title 18 and Title 

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21. 
And then you just go learn them 

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as you apply them and they're 
not taught. 

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So, but they do teach you that 
we don't do misdemeanors. 

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The FBI doesn't mess around with
misdemeanors. 

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At least in 2716. 
They told us that that's the 

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that's the message I walked 
around with. 

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And we don't really mess around 
with low level felonies that, 

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you know, things like, you know,
lying to the FBI, the the famous

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18 USC 1001 charge. 
It's the only one that I ever 

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remember being discussed by all 
the instructors there. 

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And it's always really funny 
because I, I actually got called

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back to the Academy three months
after I started work in the 

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field office because I've been a
paramedic for a long time and I 

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was a free instructor to do 
emergency medical stuff. 

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So I sit down with all these 
new, you know, almost ready to 

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be badge and gun FBI agents. 
And I would just mess with him a

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little bit because that's the 
kind of guy that I am as we're 

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sitting down there. 
And some of the people who see 

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this will Remember Me doing it. 
But I'd say, OK, so everyone 

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here is about to be a federal 
law enforcement officer, federal

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law enforcement agent. 
What are some federal laws that 

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we know? 
You know, and, and then it's 

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just like just silence and 
crickets. 

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And that blank look would fall 
over their face. 

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Like we don't know any laws. 
We don't know any laws or, or 

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what the elements of the crimes 
are that would that would 

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constitute a violation of that 
law. 

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They're just not covered, which 
probably is insane to a lot of 

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people, but that's the way that 
it comes out. 

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So you're very, very malleable 
when you come out. 

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So you've got a potential new 
guy just off probation, gets TD 

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wide temporary duty to DC to 
investigate the January 6 folks 

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who doesn't have a wide kind of 
breadth of what he should be 

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looking for in terms of serious 
federal crimes because he never 

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learned that. 
He learned constitutional law, 

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the overview basically 1001. 
So you're out in the field kind 

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of just susceptible to what the 
next guy who's more senior to 

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you told you to do. 
So if he just doesn't like a few

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people, he's going out to 
investigate and decide he's 

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going to focus on grandma and 
her six friends. 

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They're in real trouble. 
I I imagine so, yeah. 

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Because you're going to take the
senior guy's word for it because

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he's been doing it for longer. 
And you haven't been trained on 

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what the elements of the other 
crimes are. 

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No. 
And I and, and you know, that's 

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what's really interesting if 
these, these January 6 filings, 

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they're so long, you can always 
tell the difference between a 

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national security filing and, 
and like most criminal filings, 

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unless it's a really complicated
white collar case and I've read 

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a couple of them. 
But essentially when you look at

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these, you know, most, most 
criminal complaints are very 

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short. 
It's a couple pages. 

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For a reason. 
Yeah, because they did one thing

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and they did that thing. 
And then here's what the 

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elements are, and here's the 
probable cause to establish. 

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We'll get the rest out upon the 
discovery later on. 

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I don't want to give you all my 
goodies. 

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Right. 
But more importantly, like I 

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just have to meet the the the 
elements of probable cause. 

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So here it is. 
When you go through and read 

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national security filings, 
whether it's counterterrorism 

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or, you know, these January 6th 
misdemeanors and and so on, 

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they're really long. 
Someone was telling me that 

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they're running affidavits. 
The affidavit is the piece of 

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the search warrant or the arrest
warrant that says what your case

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is, right? 
Just what you're swearing out to

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the Magistrate Judge. 
Dozens of pages, all kinds of 

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back stories, Trump's tweets. 
Why do you know that news story?

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Because that's how they they 
build information. 

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They're building an 
informational story. 

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That's my belief. 
I it's it's obviously this is 

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the little. 
They realize the press are 

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getting I I get that, but you 
the press is going to get so 

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they want to tell the story and 
and and put stick as much, you 

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know, indictable material in the
public eye in that as possible. 

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There's some court of public 
opinion win there, I'm sure. 

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The other piece of it is 
probably the if you don't have 

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the goods, you know, you baffle 
them with BS kind of deal. 

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There's a lot of information in 
there. 

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The other thing is this, The FBI
has a lot of credibility with 

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magistrate judges in my 
experience, which is immediately

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fairly limited. 
But everybody tells me this, if 

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you bring it out there, you 
swear to it. 

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It's not like the judge is going
to question you on a bunch of 

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the elements of it. 
If it looks good, sounds pretty 

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good. 
It's written in English. 

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You know, the punctuation is 
where it belongs. 

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You didn't make any obvious 
formatting errors. 

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It's good to go. 
It goes forward. 

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You know, we have these these 
templates that you'll go use. 

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There's a different name 
internally. 

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It's called ponies, but they'll 
they'll you got a pony. 

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It looks good. 
You fill in the place. 

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This is my name, you know, this 
is my training. 

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This is the specialized training
I have. 

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Go. 
Bys. 

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Yep, same idea. 
I don't know why. 

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We have our own name for it. 
Everyone else calls them a go 

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by. 
By the way, you're everybody 

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else. 
If I ever ask for it, I can't go

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by this. 
Yeah. 

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You have a pony. 
No, I don't have a pony. 

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I don't know what that is. 
No, I have a horse. 

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So we do this thing and as as 
long as it looks right, you're 

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good to go. 
I mean, I've read, I've read 

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counterterrorism affidavit and 
somebody and I've reported this 

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to Congress. 
So I'll just leave it at that. 

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But I've read some that had 
outright lies in them. 

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They were factually inaccurate 
and everybody should know it. 

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You know, trying to trying to 
tell somebody that you know, and

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and the person who wrote it 
should probably have what we 

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call Giglio material, which is 
to say they shouldn't be able to

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testify. 
You lied underoath. 

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You had to raise your hand and 
swear and affirm that what you 

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said was true and it's false. 
That's terrifying. 

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Like you shouldn't be able to 
put false information into a 

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warrant and and take somebody 
down for that and take away. 

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Your gig, Leo, as a Fed, you're 
done. 

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You're. 
At the end of the day. 

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Yeah, I mean, you can never work
again. 

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You can never testify because 
it's brought up every every 

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single case in the. 
Future, you have to disclose it.

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It's required disclosure as part
of the discovery. 

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You got to tell them that. 
Yeah, I've been found to have 

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lied, Underoath. 
Let's do a contrast for a 

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moment. 
So you're in the FBI while the 

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the Antifa BLM riots are going 
on. 

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We've got this massive outbreak 
of violence across American 

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cities going on. 
Was there a similar effort 

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within the FBI as you saw after 
January 6th, which by your 

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descriptions, a clear full court
press here, everyone involved 

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and everyone even secondarily 
involved? 

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Did you see anything similar 
when all these riots were 

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breaking out with the Antifa and
these BLM groups? 

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So I wasn't in an investigative 
role. 

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I was in a surveillance role at 
that time. 

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And we were at, we were with the
the Uniform Division of Secret 

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Service the day after they 
burned St. 

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George's Church. 
That was there when there were 

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stacks of bricks on the ground 
that were lined up and they were

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covered in granola bars, which 
was bizarre. 

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You know, friends of mine had 
been getting in fights all night

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long. 
They had put different SWAT 

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teams on the line. 
But federal SWAT teams are not 

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designed for crowd control. 
They don't have that training. 

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They don't have that equipment. 
They brought in Bureau of 

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Prisons to try to hold these 
lines. 

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But do we investigate those 
people? 

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Do we, you know, haul them down 
by the dozens and throw them 

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into the DC, you know, the DC 
jail system? 

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Absolutely not. 
But that's what happened in the 

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January 6th, of course. 
Yeah, I mean the contrast was 

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obvious. 
I I actually did a A2 week stint

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where I was out in Portland and 
the. 

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Courthouse. 
Well, we were on. 

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We were on. 
They'd moved on from the 

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courthouse by that time, so they
had already, they were somewhere

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in the middle of 100 days. 
But it was towards the tail end 

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of it. 
And, you know, I saw like, like 

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street battles and parks between
Portland Police Bureau and these

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goons that were just running 
around. 

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They're they look like they were
like Larping nights. 

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I just was cracking up about it.
Like it was one of the funniest 

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thing if it wasn't so sad and so
bizarre that it was going on. 

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It was hilarious to watch. 
Like, I hear guys yell retreat 

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at the top of their lungs and 
they all run off into a 

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neighborhood and you'd look and 
you're like, what in the world? 

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We got night vision. 
You know, they're watching 

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what's going on. 
You see too many movies they 

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have. 
And then they come running back 

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in with their Shields and they 
try to hit the, you know, the 

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police. 
You got to give the Portland 

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Police Bureau credit. 
The guys they put on the line 

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were monsters. 
They were absolutely just jacked

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studs. 
And so you just watch them, just

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like 12 of them would just 
repeal, you know, they would 

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just break the phalanx of 60 of 
these goofballs coming running 

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up in cartoon costumes. 
You're a. 120 lbs soaking wet 

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you've been eating. 
Yeah, it takes. 

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It's all. 
Day, yeah, it takes 3 of you. 

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It takes 3 of you to try to 
disrupt like a grown man that 

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looks like he's going to do it. 
No, I fan planting them and 

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stuff. 
We saw wild stuff, but we didn't

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have any intervention and we had
federal targets. 

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And there was no effort to go 
and kind of do surveillance on 

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this network to see who was 
organizing where these bricks 

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with the granola bar, granola 
bars were coming from. 

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There's two pieces to that that 
are really troubling to me #1 I 

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watched the federal target get 
wrapped up in the state arrest, 

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got interviewed and let go that 
night, interviewed by us, not by

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my squad, but by agents in that 
field office. 

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And it's like, how do we just 
let that happen? 

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We're like, we know that there 
was a, there was a state charge.

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We asked him to hold them. 
Like there's no appetite to do 

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that and we couldn't push it 
federal. 

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And then the you know, the 
second piece of it is I sat in a

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car and I I'm pretty sure I got 
yelled at for this, but I sat in

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a car because I wanted to watch.
Like that was my job. 

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Like my job is to see what's 
going on there. 

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So it's my second last night 
there. 

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I know if they burn the vehicle,
that's to say they see the 

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plates and they know what it is 
and they put it out of the 

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radio. 
It doesn't really matter for our

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operational work because I'm 
going to turn that car into the 

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rental agency and some other 
poor Staffs going to be driving 

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it. 
Hopefully he doesn't get beat up

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and doesn't look anything like 
me. 

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I had a pretty heavy beard at 
the time and I'm wearing a dark 

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car heart hoodie, you know, and 
I've got my body armor on the 

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whole deal. 
And I'm sitting in this my 

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vehicle pickup truck and I'm 5 
miles away, 3 miles away or 

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something from this variety 
protest where they're burning 

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things in the middle of the 
parking lot. 

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They're screaming about 
something some guy who robbed 

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the liquor store and then got 
shot because he pointed his gun 

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at the cops, something like 
that. 

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And I remember going like, well,
that's what happens. 

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00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:16,880
It's bad choice. 
So I get AI get a heads up, hey,

452
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,200
there may be a security element 
moving to your position. 

453
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,400
And I get maybe a half dozen of 
these Antifa types. 

454
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,680
They're wearing tactical looking
vests, but I don't think they 

455
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,160
had any body armor in it. 
They were just, they just looked

456
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,440
good. 
It was cosplay, right? 

457
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,360
They had a, they had a patch on 
there with a fist and this kind 

458
00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,880
of deal. 
And it was a it was a gal who 

459
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,120
was kind of tall. 
She looked like a 80s villain. 

460
00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,400
She had like, you know, bleached
blonde hair, real short. 

461
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,720
She's wearing a black miniskirt 
with his like, yeah, just she's,

462
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,040
you know, she's dressed up in 
her parts. 

463
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,640
She's got fishnets on and high 
boots. 

464
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,600
And she's there with a couple 
guys that look like they were 

465
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,440
beefier than the other guys. 
They look like normal, you know,

466
00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,320
mediating type human beings and,
and they're surrounding this 

467
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,120
vehicle that I'm in. 
And I just thought like, now 

468
00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:57,160
what? 
Oops. 

469
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,240
Like now I'm sitting here and 
they all came out of they came 

470
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,720
out from behind the buildings. 
I saw them behind me. 

471
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,920
I can run and burn the fact that
I was doing what I was doing, or

472
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,880
I can sit there and eat beef 
jerky and just kind of talk to 

473
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,760
them for a little bit. 
So, you know, they came up to 

474
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,960
the window, which I had rolled 
down just so I could kind of get

475
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,520
some air in the car because 
we're not running the engine. 

476
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,360
You don't want to call attention
to yourself. 

477
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,920
So I'm sitting there. 
It's like, what are you doing? 

478
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,440
I'm eating beef jerky. 
What are you doing? 

479
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,800
It's like you look real sketchy.
It's like you look sketchy. 

480
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,800
Like where'd you get those 
fishnets? 

481
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,320
It's like they still make those.
Is Hot Topic still open? 

482
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,880
You know, like I'm just I'm just
zinging her with it and and 

483
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,640
she's telling her buddies 
they're trying to take their 

484
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,680
cameras and take pictures of me 
and kind of just block it. 

485
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,600
It's like, hey, man, do you want
me to drive off and take you 

486
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,680
with me or do you want to ride? 
You need to go somewhere. 

487
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,520
What's going on? 
And they out of themselves. 

488
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,040
One of the guys tells me he ends
up that he was, you know, I saw 

489
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,720
you the other day. 
You know, he's like, I saw you. 

490
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,160
Were you at the park on Sunday? 
It's like, dude, I don't even 

491
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,600
know what day it is today. 
Like how would I know? 

492
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,880
And he goes and he goes, yeah, I
was in the, the blue and white 

493
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,320
Yamaha. 
And I was like, no kidding, I 

494
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,720
never saw your face. 
Snap. 

495
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,760
Got you. 
OK, good. 

496
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,640
Now there's one more down. 
So I'm taking pictures of them 

497
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,640
every once in a while, too. 
And we floated it all up. 

498
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,880
Had to ride up a long brief 
because I was off duty. 

499
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,840
Theoretically, we're never 
really off duty, right? 

500
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,920
We're always on duty. 
But I was away from my squad, 

501
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,960
kind of sitting by myself. 
So I ride it all up. 

502
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,120
Nothing. 
It's like they came out pretty 

503
00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:09,600
overt threat. 
They heard that they were 

504
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,000
calling out my, my, my plates 
over their radio system. 

505
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,640
They were using FRS radios, 
which we're able to, you know, 

506
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,840
record. 
So we had all of their 

507
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,440
interactions and that was the 
third, I was probably the third 

508
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,960
or fourth agent that was outed 
during that 3, three or four 

509
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,160
days, like where it was pretty 
tight. 

510
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,000
You know, I had one of my guys 
drove off and we, we were told 

511
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,400
to bug out for a little bit. 
He goes driving off and he was 

512
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,120
chased by, you can't make it up.
He was chased by 5 people on 

513
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,360
bicycles. 
He was driving a Nissan Armada. 

514
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,480
You know, he's a, he's an agent,
25 years in, former Marine, 

515
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,680
capable, you know, salty hair, 
salt and pepper, but very 

516
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,360
capable individual as far as 
that goes. 

517
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,680
He's getting followed by 
bicycles and they're doing this 

518
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,000
bicycle convoy and he's running 
red lights to just get away from

519
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,080
them. 
They're running the red lights 

520
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,200
too, just following him, just 
chasing them off the X and it's 

521
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,720
like nothing happened. 
But nothing happened. 

522
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,080
Yeah, there's no. 
Hey, were you engaged in like, 

523
00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,840
why don't we could have rolled 
any of those people up and had a

524
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,920
conversation when they were far 
away? 

525
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,760
It's like, what do you sound 
like? 

526
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,160
Doing that was more of a 
political decision than it was a

527
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,080
law enforcement 1. 
I mean, and it was a free trial.

528
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,000
To burn down that courthouse. 
That's right. 

529
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,440
And you have to. 
Remember, you know, President 

530
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,200
Trump, I know a lot of Secret 
Service agents who were there 

531
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,600
that night who've spoken to me, 
specifically the night they 

532
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,880
tried to, you know, get into the
White House. 

533
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,160
You know, those guys got hurt. 
A lot of agents got hurt. 

534
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,360
The guys I worked with that day 
were. 

535
00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,560
Hurt down to the bunker and the 
media thought that was 

536
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000
hilarious. 
I wanted to get to a few other 

537
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,560
things with you. 
This recent a whistleblower 

538
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,120
revelation about the push to 
classify cases around the 

539
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,960
country as domestic violent 
extremist cases to to pitch this

540
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,840
narrative, right, that there's a
big domestic terror problem. 

541
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,080
We're going to get to that in a 
second. 

542
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,640
Let me just take a quick break 
and we'll be right back, folks. 

543
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,880
Thank you for your patience 
during this brief break. 

544
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,080
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545
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interview with FBI whistleblower
Kyle Surfing. 

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Now back to our interview with 
Cal Service. 

603
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,440
All right, welcome back. 
We're talking to FBI agent Kyle 

604
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,600
Servant Kyle this there was a 
story out recently that they're 

605
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200
looking to bump up and juice the
numbers on domestic violent 

606
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,400
extremism. 
The FBI, pursuant to a push from

607
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,760
the DOJ in the White House, one 
of the allegations was that 

608
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,200
they're opening up cases around 
the country that may have 

609
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,040
originated exclusively in DC 
with January 6th. 

610
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,080
Can you tell us about that, how 
that's how that works and how 

611
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480
that would juice the stats to 
fit a narrative? 

612
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,720
So if you had, I guess there's 
two ways to open a case, right? 

613
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,000
You can open an umbrella case 
and you can open a bunch of sub 

614
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,880
files underneath it. 
It's like here's all the targets

615
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,200
under this particular, you know,
larger event that happened and 

616
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,520
they could do that with January 
6th. 

617
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,440
But as I understand it, each 
person is being individually 

618
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,120
open. 
That's that was the gist of what

619
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:53,600
I took away from what that 
person said. 

620
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,840
And I actually don't know that 
person, which is kind of warms 

621
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800
my heart. 
There's people out there that I 

622
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,120
don't know that are putting 
disclosures and everything about

623
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,440
that. 
Like I said, I got 3-4 hundred 

624
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,360
people that are upset and they 
don't want the things going on 

625
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,600
that are going on right? 
And there's, there's allegations

626
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,600
come out and we go, hey, does 
anyone know this guy? 

627
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,360
And it's like, reach out to us, 
please. 

628
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,800
Like reach out to me. 
I just created a true social 

629
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,640
account. 
I, I despise the idea of having 

630
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,120
social media, but it's a 
necessary evil. 

631
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,560
It's Kyle Seraphin. 
It's at Kyle Seraphin on Truth. 

632
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Spell it out for them. 
So it's KYLESERAPHI on truth. 

633
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,280
So reach out to me like let's 
all get us like the more nodes, 

634
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,960
we figured there's probably four
or five nodes of FBI 

635
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,560
whistleblowers and they're all 
probably feeding each other 

636
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,200
information because people are 
fed up. 

637
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,240
I mean, the agency did not, a 
lot of people didn't sign up 

638
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,320
this. 
I don't think the majority of 

639
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,200
the FBI per SE is willing to go 
along with this. 

640
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800
But so many people have gone 
along with all the COVID pieces 

641
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,400
and all the different compliance
mechanisms. 

642
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,280
It's just one more step. 
It's people don't know what to 

643
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,840
do. 
But some of these are a step too

644
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,320
far. 
Thank God for a couple of them. 

645
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,080
You think they may be opening up
these cases as sub files 

646
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,960
according to again, I know 
you're not that specific 

647
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040
whistleblower, but he seemed to 
be insinuating at these cases 

648
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,160
were being open up, opened up 
the kind of fit a case quota 

649
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,520
more than the fit an 
investigative. 

650
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,920
Right. 
So my my friends who were 

651
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,400
counterterrorism, I paint it out
there, I was like, hey, is this 

652
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,720
a thing? 
Are we doing what they call 

653
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160
racially motivated violent 
extremism cases? 

654
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Are there numbers that we're 
having to hit? 

655
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,160
Like we're constantly getting 
told that our numbers are too 

656
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,080
low? 
You know, I'm personally being 

657
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,920
told that by people that I know 
are being honest with me. 

658
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,880
So I have every reason to 
believe that the congressman who

659
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,520
said it is out there saying the 
right thing. 

660
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,000
You know, Congressman Jordan's 
people are receiving the 

661
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,400
information. 
You know, word travels fast. 

662
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,240
There's a there's a funny little
piece that that Christopher 

663
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,000
Walken does in a, in a movie 
called Suicide Kings. 

664
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,000
He talks about word on the 
street. 

665
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,040
It's like one of those classic 
New York things. 

666
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,320
He's like, you know, cops lie, 
politicians lie. 

667
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,800
But the thing you can trust word
on the street, the word on the 

668
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480
street is getting around inside 
the FBII think that there 

669
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,520
there's a there's a path, there 
are people that if you give it 

670
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,680
to them, they will expose that. 
And I think that it has to be 

671
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,760
done like we have no other 
option at this point. 

672
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,480
So it's kind of a de facto quota
for these racially motivated 

673
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,720
kind of white supremacy cases 
that they're looking for. 

674
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,320
But doesn't that create, again, 
a bizarre set of incentives 

675
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,200
where if you're a field agent 
looking for promotion, you're 

676
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,520
being told by your supervisor, 
you know, hey, be kind of a 

677
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,000
shame if you didn't find a white
supremacist threat today? 

678
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,360
I mean, like I said before, when
you're looking in the Salem 

679
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:27,040
witch trials for a witch, you're
going to find one and you find 

680
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,560
people under investigation for, 
you know, white supremacy. 

681
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Listen, if you've been involved 
in that kind of stuff, then by 

682
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,240
all means, that's what we do. 
But the incentives are all 

683
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,200
wrong. 
So it's not nearly as overt as 

684
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720
any of that, as you can imagine.
I mean that's that's the 

685
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,440
hyperbolic version of it. 
How does it go down? 

686
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Someone's got to come and tell 
you every, every FBI office has 

687
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,960
field health metrics. 
It's going to be X number of 

688
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960
cases opened up under whatever 
types of cases. 

689
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,240
You know, how many diversity 
events we attended as a squad is

690
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480
one of those metrics. 
It's like a bunch of other just 

691
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,640
like there's administrative, 
there's case, there's 

692
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,960
operational, there's outcomes 
and so on, and they need to hit 

693
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,720
X number of them, as I 
understand it, to get the 

694
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,280
bonuses. 
A lot of people don't understand

695
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,680
that once you reach the GS15 
level, for us, that's the ASAC, 

696
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,400
the assistant special agent at 
charge level, the next guy up is

697
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,320
making bonuses on performance. 
It's more than the than the 

698
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,840
normal government pace app. 
So, you know, a lot of Secret 

699
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,440
Service guys cap out. 
It's 174,000 and change. 

700
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,320
You know, they're doing a lot of
overtime to earn that. 

701
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,840
They're busting their butts. 
There's no doubt about it. 

702
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,600
You can get above that cap. 
Once you move into the SES, 

703
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,920
you've moved off the GES scale. 
And so those people are working 

704
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,360
on a totally different incentive
structure. 

705
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
And those incentive structures 
are kind of a negotiation as I 

706
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,600
understand it. 
They covered it in the Academy. 

707
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,120
I don't know why. 
It didn't really matter to me 

708
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,720
then. 
And it started to get more 

709
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,240
interesting to me now when I 
start looking at it and it's a 

710
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960
negotiation, I understand from 
from headquarters and the field 

711
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,280
saying, hey, you know, we think 
these are your threats and this 

712
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,560
is the things you should be 
performing on. 

713
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
And they push back and they kind
of negotiate out like this is 

714
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,720
how I'm going to be rated for 
the year. 

715
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,240
And so they they pick up what's 
the top threat in that area. 

716
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,920
There's a national threat 
indexing. 

717
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400
There's a banding level where we
talked about what the big things

718
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,280
are that we're looking at. 
And then you kind of go, well, 

719
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520
you know, I'm in, take your 
pick. 

720
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,320
Like, yeah, I'm in Alaska. 
We don't have any abortion 

721
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,160
clinics up here or wherever that
is. 

722
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,720
I don't know if there's any in 
there, but there's not very many

723
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,520
people. 
So we don't actually have any of

724
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,880
that. 
So we can't or Mississippi, 

725
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,720
let's say you're in Mississippi,
there's not any abortion 

726
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,720
clinics. 
So we don't have anyone 

727
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,560
protesting outside of abortion 
clinics. 

728
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
So that's not a threat of 
bombing an abortion clinic. 

729
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,800
So we can't have that high up on
our list. 

730
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
It may be higher nationally than
it is locally. 

731
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720
So they'll, but they'll come at 
you and they'll just say, hey, 

732
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,760
you know, well, you know, I got 
transferred to a national 

733
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,560
security squad when I came back 
to work and they said you we 

734
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,760
need to get some business. 
We we need to get you some 

735
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,240
cases. 
It's like, OK, well, what are 

736
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,840
you working on? 
You move me on to a squad 

737
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,720
theoretically because there's a 
need, but that's not really how 

738
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,040
it works. 
They moved me into a squad 

739
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,240
because it was a spot on the 
squad and we need to have people

740
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,560
doing national security 
investigations on that squad. 

741
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,400
So go find some national 
security problems. 

742
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,080
Go drive out in the desert, go 
look around at the border. 

743
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,560
And then, you know, when I come 
back with something like a 

744
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,600
cartel case because I got some 
Border Patrol guys. 

745
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,520
I had a great meeting with some 
of those guys down there. 

746
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,360
You know, they go, hey, I think 
we got this long term smuggling 

747
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,480
operation. 
You guys ever going to be 

748
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,760
interested in it or what's going
on? 

749
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Yeah, maybe. 
I think so. 

750
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,720
That sounds good. 
And then what's the thing that 

751
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,120
comes back? 
And it's like, well, that could 

752
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,120
be it. 
That could be a 

753
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,600
counterintelligence, you know, 
investigation, right? 

754
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,960
We could open up a parallel 
because we don't know that 

755
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,800
they're not smuggling in spies, 
right? 

756
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,560
They're probably just moving in 
migrant workers and drugs and 

757
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,000
whatever other new weapons or. 
Why the push though to move it 

758
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,760
in the Intel? 
Because we got to have, we got 

759
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920
to have some national security 
investigations to justify the 

760
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,520
job that you have in this place 
where they put you, you're 

761
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,120
there. 
There must be work for you 

762
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
because we assigned you to it. 
So let's create some work for 

763
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,040
it. 
And so that's the same reason 

764
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,440
why I showed up at Washington 
Field and end up with, I'm on a 

765
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,240
squad where there wasn't enough 
work for me. 

766
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,600
I used to tell my my supervisor 
I was like a sump pump with no 

767
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,080
off switch. 
If you don't put any water in, 

768
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,680
you just burn the pump out. 
I was getting bored. 

769
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,200
Start looking around, seeing 
what who's screwing up in the 

770
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,240
office and that's what would 
happen. 

771
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800
It was just like I sit there for
hours and hours and hours. 

772
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,960
It's only so many hours. 
You can read the same FISA 

773
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680
material or you can read the 
same, you know, emails back and 

774
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680
forth between something or read 
the old case files. 

775
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560
If there's nothing that you can 
do on it and there's sometimes 

776
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,080
nothing you can do on it. 
And if they won't let you go 

777
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,520
interview your subject, close it
because that's what has to 

778
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,000
happen. 
You got to get approval. 

779
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160
People interview that guy, then 
you're just sitting there, you 

780
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,440
know, and it's like, OK, so you 
might as well open some cases. 

781
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,440
I've had friends tell me they 
got no problems, Friends, 

782
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,240
acquaintances, whatever it may 
be, they got no problem opening 

783
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,760
cases on these, you know, neo 
Nazis or whatever it is, even 

784
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920
though the things they're doing 
are 100% First Amendment 

785
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,880
protected. 
And that's really the, this is 

786
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,320
where I get really hot about it 
because I'm a, I'm a civil 

787
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,320
rights activist. 
I guess at heart when it comes 

788
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,840
down to everyone should have the
same ability to be a jerk. 

789
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,480
But you're allowed to be a 
moron. 

790
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,120
You. 
It's part of the American right.

791
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,080
You can't break the. 
Law, but you're allowed to be 

792
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,080
an. 
Idiot, as long as you're not 

793
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,480
threatening people or trying to 
execute some sort of violence on

794
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360
them, you know, having terrible 
ideas is kind of an American, 

795
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,760
right? 
It's sort of a thing that this 

796
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,920
found like we're a revolutionary
nation in that way. 

797
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,600
And moreover, the only type of 
speech, and I've heard Ben 

798
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,400
Shapiro say something similar to
this, it's like the only type of

799
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960
inflammatory or the only type of
speech that needs protection is 

800
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,560
inflammatory speech. 
Like like, ho hum Melo, our 

801
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,560
conversation back and forth does
not need protection. 

802
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Nobody cares, right? 
It's when you start saying wild 

803
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320
things, you go out there and you
make claims against racial 

804
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,640
groups or you start saying you, 
you hate certain people for 

805
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,120
certain reasons that are wrong. 
OK, fine. 

806
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Like let's expose that. 
But the idea every single one of

807
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,400
these Bureau caveats, they'll 
always put a caveat there. 

808
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,120
They're like, you know, the FBI 
doesn't initiate an 

809
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360
investigation just because of 
First Amendment protected 

810
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,240
activities. 
But don't worry about that 

811
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,800
because we're going to tell you 
a whole bunch of stuff we need 

812
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,680
you to go look into. 
So that's. 

813
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Not how it actually. 
Works well. 

814
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,840
I've never seen anybody have 
that stop them. 

815
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,000
And and the ones that do, if you
push back, I mean you close the 

816
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,480
case. 
That's kind of weird. 

817
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Like the Bill of Rights doesn't 
actually stop anyone. 

818
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,040
It's kind of like isn't ethical 
to a constitutional Republic 

819
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,440
when you say. 
Yeah, that the. 

820
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Whole idea of the Bill of Rights
is to stop over intrusive 

821
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,040
government, correct? 
And you're telling me there's 

822
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,080
there's, there's loopholes 
around? 

823
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,360
It well, think about why 
criminal investigation, there 

824
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560
has to be an allegation or the 
information that you have 

825
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,960
committed a crime or that crime 
is committed and then somebody 

826
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,080
did it. 
We'll go find out, right? 

827
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880
So we got the crime, we can go 
find the bad guy. 

828
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,040
We got the bad guy who did some 
crime, we can go find more 

829
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,720
crimes. 
That's criminal. 

830
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,600
That's nothing to do with 
intelligence. 

831
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Does this go back to the 
beginning of the of the first 

832
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120
episode here when you had told 
me how This is why the FBI has 

833
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280
fallen in love with being an 
intelligence organization rather

834
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,360
than because they can almost do 
whatever they want? 

835
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,560
It doesn't. 
They don't have the same type of

836
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080
standards because the goals are 
not the same as what people 

837
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,040
would anticipate. 
It's why it's incongruous in so 

838
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,000
many people's mind. 
And here's the real problem. 

839
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,800
FBI agents are a specific 
federal category of employment. 

840
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,360
They're 1811, right? 
1811. 

841
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,200
You can look up what the job 
criteria is online. 

842
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,920
It's out there, it's on OP Ms. 
website and it and it's criminal

843
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,200
investigator. 
There's no such thing as a 

844
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000
special agent. 
A special agent is a title 

845
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
that's given to you by your 
agency, but your job is that 

846
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,360
you're a criminal investigator. 
That's right. 

847
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,600
So if you're a criminal 
investigator and you're not 

848
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,360
looking for crimes, why why are 
you doing that? 

849
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,400
Like, why don't we just have 
Intel people looking for Intel 

850
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,560
stuff and if they see something 
that looks criminal, they throw 

851
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,840
it over the guy that's doing 
that in a lot of ways. 

852
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,480
And I've had many people tell me
this and it goes, you know, deep

853
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,239
and wide, FBI wide. 
And I think that you were citing

854
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,600
a piece the other day on your 
show about it. 

855
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,000
But it's like, I think Director 
Mueller did the did the one 

856
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,760
thing he didn't know it, but 
it's a fatal wound. 

857
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,120
I like to describe people like 
when I was first working in a 

858
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,159
skiff, I told people, I said the
FBI is a it's a hammer with a 

859
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,600
screwdriver welded on top of it,
right. 

860
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,159
And one of those is law 
enforcement and one of those is 

861
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,120
intelligence. 
And they're both really 

862
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,480
unwieldy. 
Like nobody wants to swing a 

863
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,120
hammer that's got some 
counterweight that doesn't make 

864
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:41,960
any sense. 
You can't get there. 

865
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,880
You can't get close enough to 
the wall to hit certain things, 

866
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,920
whatever. 
And that screwdriver, super 

867
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,440
awkward to try to turn and get 
in there and move something 

868
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,199
because it's got this heavy, you
know, dongle of a, of a, of a 

869
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080
hammer on it. 
When you have this sort of two 

870
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,520
things that are antithetical to 
each other welded together, 

871
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,480
you're going to the mission 
doesn't work. 

872
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,640
Like one of them's going to win.
That's a biblical piece if you 

873
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,880
think about it, right? 
Like no man can serve 2 masters 

874
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,360
and you can't be an intelligence
agency that does law enforcement

875
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,320
or in a law enforcement agency 
that does intelligence. 

876
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,320
I don't think they can exist. 
They have to. 

877
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,560
I think that mission has to be 
separated. 

878
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,240
We always debate, you know, is 
the, is the Bureau model good or

879
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,600
is it, you know, the MI5MI6 
model good? 

880
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,120
And I've met some folks from 
over there. 

881
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,720
We did some, you know, 
operations with them. 

882
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:22,760
I think they figured it out 
better. 

883
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,160
I don't know. 
You don't want to give the Brits

884
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,520
any credit where they don't need
it, but. 

885
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,800
The same beef with I mean, I 
wrote a book about this. 

886
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,600
I think the Secret Service has 
made flaws doing investigations 

887
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,200
and protection. 
They like to claim one benefits 

888
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,040
the other, but in reality it 
doesn't. 

889
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,760
They're different missions. 
Yeah, I mean, you got to do a 

890
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,480
protection assignment post and 
the AUSA needs you to testify. 

891
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,000
You can't be in two places at 
once, right? 

892
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,360
AUSA gets pissed off, doesn't 
want to work cases with the 

893
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Secret Service. 
This is real. 

894
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,240
Let me ask your opinion on a 
couple other things. 

895
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,880
That Wall Street Journal piece 
you'd mention they had Tom Baker

896
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560
wrote, it's a good piece, said 
that Mueller after 911 shows up 

897
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,840
at Camp David, he's with George 
Tenet from the CIA. 

898
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,040
George W Bush is just a week 
after 911 is asking questions 

899
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120
and Tenet has this whole body of
information ready to go. 

900
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Mueller, who is running at that 
time, it was still relatively 

901
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,520
law enforcement, central 
organization doesn't have that 

902
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
kind of information. 
George W looks at him, says you 

903
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,360
need to be more like George 
Tenet here. 

904
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,800
The piece indicates that from 
that point, Mueller decided to 

905
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,880
centralized everything in 
headquarters and became an 

906
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,920
intelligence organization from 
that point on. 

907
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,440
But that's kind of led to all 
these problems we're talking 

908
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,280
about that kind of come full 
circle to the beginning. 

909
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,320
I think so. 
Where guys like yourself wear 

910
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,360
field guys wear boots literally 
in this case and have done 

911
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,840
investigative work. 
Military background. 

912
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,880
They hired you for a reason. 
You're subordinated to a 

913
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,480
headquarters guy. 2-3 years in 
the jobs never done anything is 

914
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,920
hoping for a political promotion
next. 

915
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,400
You're just, you're just a piece
in their puzzle At that point. 

916
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,720
You're not really an asset 
anymore other than if if you 

917
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,600
don't fit their political 
narrative, I guess is where I'm 

918
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,760
going. 
There's two things that I 

919
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,520
remember. 
One of them is one of the senior

920
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,360
guys I worked with who since 
retired, told me that watching 

921
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,720
the Bureau go after the Domestic
Intelligence Mission after 911 

922
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,360
was like watching a dog run down
a hubcap or, you know, a car 

923
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,440
chasing the hubcaps. 
And when he catches it, I don't 

924
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,360
know what to do with it because 
it's a car and he's a dog. 

925
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,160
And it's like, this doesn't make
any sense. 

926
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,880
It's not what I'm built to do. 
Like I got it. 

927
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,280
I'm like, all right, now what? 
And that was the, that was the 

928
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,240
attitude he said he experienced 
very dramatically. 

929
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,400
That was #1 The second thing is 
there's a weird cultural thing 

930
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,080
and the Bureau culture, it's 
famously bad internally, 

931
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,920
management wise. 
There's books written about it, 

932
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,600
like one of the books somebody 
gave me my first a couple weeks,

933
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,600
they drop on my desk, they go 
here, you should read this. 

934
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,480
It's like the FBI, they eat 
their own retired agent wrote 

935
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,720
it. 
It's terrible. 

936
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,560
It's a terrible story, but it's 
accurate, right? 

937
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,920
It's just, it's absolutely 
carnivorous in there. 

938
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,720
Anybody that's going to climb 
has got to get up. 

939
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,400
And the crazy thing is once they
get to a certain level, and it's

940
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,440
probably over the 14, but at the
15 level, above everybody below 

941
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,320
you, they only exist to get me 
to the next rung. 

942
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,280
That's how it's looked at. 
So you talk about being a cog in

943
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,760
somebody else's political game. 
It's it's not political 

944
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,600
necessarily. 
Even that's the craziest thing 

945
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,720
about it. 
It's really hard to grasp 

946
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,880
because it feels very, you know,
the action may be overtly 

947
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,280
political and may have political
implications, but a lot of it, I

948
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,920
think it's just selfishness. 
It's just, it's one guy looking 

949
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,240
down and going. 
Everybody here, you know, I work

950
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,880
my butt off to get to this spot 
and their job is to push me up. 

951
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,480
So they step on all the heads to
get to the next rung, whatever 

952
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,120
that may be. 
Everybody else be damned. 

953
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,520
If that means, you know, I had 
people legitimately tell me that

954
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,560
the culture of the FBI promotes 
doing a disciplinary action 

955
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,360
against a one of your 
subordinates within your first 

956
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,400
year of being a supervisor 
because it shows strength. 

957
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640
So there's a goal. 
And, and I have friends who have

958
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,240
been victims of this. 
Like I had a guy that he was 

959
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,200
ready to get off probation in my
office. 

960
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,000
I won't name him, but he was a 
cop. 

961
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,040
He's a good dude. 
And if he hears this, I still 

962
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,600
think he's a good dude. 
And and I thought he was really 

963
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,600
brave. 
He he figured it out right away.

964
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,720
You know, he was a cop. 
He didn't have any. 

965
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,240
He didn't have the nonsense that
some of us saw. 

966
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,160
He sat in a training exercise. 
I look over, I say, you're not 

967
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,440
carrying a gun. 
He goes, this job doesn't 

968
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,160
require a gun. 
I used to do a job that carried 

969
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,720
a gun. 
This one doesn't deserve me 

970
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:00,560
carrying. 
It's not worth it. 

971
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Why? 
I just leave it in my car while 

972
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,280
I leave it at home. 
I carry it when I'm on my own 

973
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,320
time, but not here. 
This is very safe. 

974
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,680
And he was correct. 
You know, he was a cop. 

975
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,360
He knew what was up. 
He worked in, he worked in 

976
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:17,240
Maryland and they fired him. 
He was forced to resign on his 

977
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,960
last day of probation where they
can remove you for no reason at 

978
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,400
all. 
There's no 'cause required. 

979
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,880
That's that two year probation. 
And he was a cop, not a military

980
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,000
guy. 
So we didn't get the shortened 

981
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,880
1. 
And he got removed because 

982
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,200
someone said, and it's a famous 
Bureau e-mail, it's gone around,

983
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,960
everyone's seen it. 
It's called beware the acting 

984
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,000
SSA. 
He got fired because this gal 

985
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,960
said who was acting, she was the
acting supervisor for the day, 

986
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,280
not for a long time for the day.
She said I wouldn't go to court 

987
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,400
dressed like that if I were you.
He was wearing a shirt and a tie

988
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,400
and slacks and dress shoes, and 
he was going to an initial 

989
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,000
appearance, which you and I know
the case agent might be there, 

990
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,880
and freaking flip flops, Yeah, 
jeans, throwing up shirt, 

991
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,160
whatever he did. 
She's doing an arrest. 

992
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Yeah, you just pulled some guy 
in. 

993
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,400
You're going to drag him in 
front of a this? 

994
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Isn't a planned? 
Testimony. 

995
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,360
No, he's not in. 
He's not preparing to be there. 

996
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,160
He's in the gallery, so no one 
cares. 

997
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,640
They don't even know who he is. 
He's just a guy with a tie on. 

998
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,800
He looks fine. 
There were three guys that went 

999
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,760
over there. 
All three of them got 

1000
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,440
disciplinary action. 
One of them was forced to 

1001
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,640
resign. 
I don't know what happened to 

1002
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,320
the third because he wouldn't, 
he wouldn't close to me, but I'm

1003
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,240
sure something terrible. 
And then my other good friend 

1004
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,400
got two weeks on the bricks, no 
pay. 

1005
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,120
For an initial. 
Appearance over an initial 

1006
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,320
appearance over over a 
speculation. 

1007
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,320
I wouldn't go, you know, some 
sort of speculative 

1008
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,840
hypothetical. 
I wouldn't go to court like that

1009
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,160
if I were you when they came 
back. 

1010
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,880
Where were you when we went to 
court? 

1011
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,080
We had to go. 
And you have to go to court to 

1012
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,600
see certain amount of 
undertakings in your first year 

1013
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,000
or two. 
You got to check the boxes. 

1014
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,760
I saw an initial appearance. 
I was at initial appearance. 

1015
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,800
If you don't have enough arrest 
when you're an Intel guy, you 

1016
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,560
don't have any arrests at all. 
You're just sitting there and 

1017
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,000
watching somebody else do it. 
So. 

1018
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,840
What I'm getting from this is so
you're telling me that once you 

1019
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,800
get past this GS15 level and 
into the senior executive 

1020
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,080
Service ranks, which is 
government wide, not just the F,

1021
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,040
correct? 
100%. 

1022
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,640
The pay scale. 
There's an actual financial 

1023
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,440
motive for you to comply with 
headquarters type edicts. 

1024
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,800
You can make more money for 
doing what they'd like you to 

1025
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,400
do. 
So does the wink and the nod 

1026
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,280
then come from these? 
SES is down to SACS special 

1027
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,000
agent charges in the field, the 
special agents in charge in the 

1028
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600
field office where they're 
saying, hey, we're looking up. 

1029
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,960
We've been told by the 
administration that this 

1030
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,480
domestic violent extremism thing
is a really big deal. 

1031
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Is it like a wink and a nod? 
How does it get down to you that

1032
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,400
we really need to reprioritize 
some of this stuff? 

1033
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,760
And yeah, so it comes to the 
GS15, The 15 tells the 14, the 

1034
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,160
14 says, hey, we got to bump 
these numbers up, we got to go 

1035
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,840
open some. 
So you got to go open some. 

1036
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,120
That's what you got to do. 
So. 

1037
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Even if they're not there, you 
got to like. 

1038
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,720
You got to maybe you double coat
it, right? 

1039
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,040
It's like, yeah, maybe the guy 
robbed a bank, but also he's got

1040
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,880
a Confederate flag in his 
backyard that seems like, you 

1041
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,200
know, I don't know. 
I don't know. 

1042
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,280
I haven't opened anything like 
that. 

1043
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,400
I can't do that. 
That's one of the things I know 

1044
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,480
I'm not going to be able to do. 
And, and, and there are people 

1045
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,320
who have gone to the mat for 
this and they refuse to do it. 

1046
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,680
There's no. 
Question, but you're not the 

1047
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,080
only one. 
Who's no, absolutely not, but. 

1048
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,040
The pressure is real. 
The pressure is real, It exists,

1049
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,840
it's out there and there's 
pushback. 

1050
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,480
But I would say that once you 
get to the senior executive 

1051
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,480
level, this is, you know, we 
have 5 at at Washington field 

1052
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,360
office. 
New York has 5 or 6, whatever it

1053
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,160
is, this X number of divisions. 
Los Angeles has a bunch. 

1054
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,240
They have they have another, 
they have an SES 2 above them 

1055
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,640
and and assistant director in 
charge on the big ones. 

1056
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,680
But most field offices have one 
SESI think by the time you get 

1057
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,600
there, man, you've been doing 
this 20 years, you're on you're 

1058
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,480
on the program. 
Like there's nobody out there. 

1059
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,120
That's I don't know if they're 
pushing back. 

1060
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,680
I got to hope they are. 
I'd love for one of them to come

1061
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,800
step four. 
They have the ability to come 

1062
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,320
out and speak for themselves so.
If the SES is were to push back 

1063
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,240
the senior executive members of 
the service and the FBI there, 

1064
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,800
you'd have a far different 
agency because that's their 

1065
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,680
entire management cadre, right? 
So. 

1066
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,240
They used to say that they were 
like little Dukes of their own 

1067
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,160
fiefdom or whatever it is, or 
little principalities. 

1068
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,960
They really in theory should be.
But I think the centralization 

1069
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,800
has gotten more complete. 
Probably back in Mueller's day, 

1070
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,520
it was not the case where the 
SES had a lot of power and lot 

1071
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,760
of discretion. 
They still are doing their own 

1072
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,880
thing when it comes to their 
interpretation of policy for a 

1073
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,600
lot of stuff when it comes to 
these metrics, when it comes to 

1074
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,080
the types of investigation. 
As far as I can tell, and this 

1075
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,920
is polling literally hundreds. 
You know, I'm not just pulling 

1076
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,120
it for me, but it's hundreds in 
almost every field office that 

1077
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,360
we've got. 
I don't know anyone that we 

1078
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,120
don't have represented in this 
group. 

1079
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,800
I, it's, it's everyone's on the 
same sheet of music. 

1080
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,480
That way. 
It's like it's been centralized 

1081
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,920
to the point where and you got 
to remember that, you know, the 

1082
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,800
SAC that the, the, the sack, 
that's a, it's a SES one. 

1083
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,600
They're at the bottom of that 
food chain. 

1084
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,440
You know what I mean? 
They're at the new food chain, 

1085
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,200
but they're at the bottom of it.
We covered a lot of material, 

1086
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,360
the Edu threat tag, domestic 
violent extremism push, January 

1087
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520
6th, January 6th, change and 
everything. 

1088
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,240
The fascination with 
intelligence, your career, what 

1089
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:36,960
happened to you, the vaccine 
mandate. 

1090
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,400
I want to close with this. 
The Mar a Lago raids been a 

1091
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,560
particular interest to me. 
Of course, it's unprecedented. 

1092
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,240
I mean literally without 
precedent. 

1093
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,480
We've never done this before, 
regardless of anyone's personal 

1094
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,000
politics. 
There have been paperwork 

1095
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,680
disputes about this in the past.
I'm not asking you to comment on

1096
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,000
the politics at all, But when 
FBI agents, specifically 

1097
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,800
Christopher Wray and the 
management staff that 

1098
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,640
unquestionably are briefed in a 
high profile case like this, do 

1099
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,280
you think it even occurs to them
that they're partaking in an act

1100
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,400
that's so overtly political and 
has a chance to change the 

1101
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,160
politics of the United States 
moving forward for the negative?

1102
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,880
You know what? 
You think they're saying that 

1103
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,280
Merrick Garland and DOJ, hey, 
maybe this isn't a good idea? 

1104
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,240
Or is it just we're going to be 
loyal little soldiers here and 

1105
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,560
do what you tell us to do? 
I I don't want to speculate on 

1106
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,840
anyone else's motivation. 
I know what I look at, right? 

1107
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,360
I've got friends that I don't I 
don't speak to after that. 

1108
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520
I assume they were part of it. 
It's like, I don't know what 

1109
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,400
happened, but you guys forgot to
throw the BS flag on that. 

1110
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
You asked me to go raid 
President Obama's house. 

1111
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,800
You asked me to go raid 
President Bush's house. 

1112
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,840
It's not happening. 
I'm sorry it's not happening. 

1113
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,920
I'm not doing that. 
And I'm going to probably be 

1114
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,240
pretty vocal. 
That's probably going to be my 

1115
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,480
last day. 
It's not going to happen. 

1116
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,760
So we had a lot of people that 
said yes. 

1117
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,960
And I think that so much 
compliance got done. 

1118
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,400
We talked briefly. 
Here's here's what all kind of 

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shares my last kind of concern. 
Every single FBI agent has to go

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to the Holocaust Museum for a 
full day when we're in the 

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Academy and they have a special 
program. 

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I don't know if you've ever been
to it, but it's well worth your 

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time. 
If you're a law enforcement 

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officer, you should definitely 
go go through the Holocaust 

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Museum and see the piece they do
for law enforcement specific. 

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It's a walking tour. 
It's looking through the lens of

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how did this atrocity take 
place, and the only way it takes

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place is minor government 
officials are on board and local

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law enforcement and state law 
enforcement and federal law 

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enforcement has to say yes, 
because if anybody refused to 

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get with the program, it doesn't
happen. 

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And the answer, I'm just 
following orders. 

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The Nuremberg piece, it doesn't,
it doesn't fly. 

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We know better. 
Like that's the whole point of 

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history. 
We're supposed to be able to see

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that. 
That's why every agent has to go

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to that that day. 
We're supposed to know that if 

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they ask you to do something 
that's illegal, immoral, or 

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unethical, following orders is 
not an excuse. 

1140
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,800
It's not an excuse for me. 
You can't tell me to go get a 

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vaccine that I'm not going to go
get. 

1142
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It goes against my moral 
principles. 

1143
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I'm not doing it. 
You can do whatever comes next. 

1144
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,760
You can ask me to do a search 
warrant. 

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00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,960
That's not right. 
I'm not going to go do it 

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because it fundamentally changes
the fabric of this country. 

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It's it changes the game. 
It puts people in play in the 

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political, you know, arena that 
shouldn't be law enforcement 

1149
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,560
shouldn't be in the political 
arena. 

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Number one, I think we can all 
agree on that. 

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I think most Americans would 
stand behind that of all, of all

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political inklings. 
And the second piece is, is we 

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don't go after our former 
leaders and we don't go after 

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00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,160
the opposition leader. 
That's Banana Republic stuff. 

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00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Everyone said it. 
I know you've said it too. 

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It gets me heated to a level 
that I can't stand. 

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And it's one of the reasons why 
when you made your appeal on 

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your radio show or you might 
have done it on your podcast, 

1159
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,680
it's like, it's like, it's like 
America is in jeopardy. 

1160
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,320
I, I agree and I don't want my 
children to grow up in a world 

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where that's the barrel they're 
looking down. 

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00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,920
I don't want my daughter to have
to show up and take a pregnancy 

1163
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,560
test every month because it's 
really disruptive. 

1164
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,800
But we've already already taken 
the COVID test every week. 

1165
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,320
So why wouldn't it be a 
pregnancy test? 

1166
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,480
I don't want my son to have to 
take STD tests because he was 

1167
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,200
out with a weekend and sometimes
guys meet girls. 

1168
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,640
I don't think that's reasonable.
I won't go down that line 

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00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,360
because I can see a straight 
path to it. 

1170
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,440
And I think everybody that's 
honest that goes through that 

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00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,720
museum and looks at all the, you
know, the, all the shoes that 

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00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,200
still smell like the people that
were wearing them, you know, and

1173
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,480
there's thousands of them in 
there. 

1174
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,600
It's it changes your perspective
on the entire world on how law 

1175
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,920
enforcement has a absolute 
responsibility to refuse things 

1176
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,560
that are wrong. 
And we can't do it. 

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00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,360
We can't do it and have America 
survive the way that we grew up.

1178
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,200
And I don't want to be part of 
it so. 

1179
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,400
Oh, you're right. 
I mean, I said today on the 

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00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,320
show, and I guess we can leave 
it here, that even the president

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00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,600
of the United States doesn't 
have the power to take your life

1182
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,280
or take your freedom. 
GS1811, FBI agents, Secret 

1183
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,280
Service agents, DEA. 
They do. 

1184
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,360
It's a massive power. 
And it's. 

1185
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,520
I have to tell you, it's really 
refreshing to see guys like 

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00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,520
yourself speak out. 
It's been an honor to talk to 

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00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,200
you. 
Kyle, thanks a lot for your 

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00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,680
time. 
I know the audience appreciates.

1189
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,840
Yeah, I. 
Appreciate the opportunity. 

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Thanks folks for tuning in. 
I really appreciate it. 

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00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,840
I'm don't have a lot to add to 
that. 

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00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,800
I've just been kind of a little 
bit overwhelmed. 

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00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Thanks for tuning in. 
Thanks for listening to the Kyle

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00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,240
Seraphin Show. 
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00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,520
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