1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,240 So the, the biggest thing I've been talking about was just 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,520 agency. I would say Christian agency in 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,920 particular is what I've been wanting to influence. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,680 I would go a little further and be like, especially as a 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Christian man exercising agency. Those are the guys that can just 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,280 do stuff like you guys, like Christ died for you and you can, 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,960 you're the guy who can just go do stuff now. 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,320 Like even if you fall flat on your face that you're forgiven. 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,520 So go get it. But under, under, under the 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,560 umbrella of agency, the preparedness mindset, you know, 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,720 getting people to go buy guns and shoot guns and be prepared 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,480 for whatever might come their way. 13 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:37,240 Physical training as well. So, you know, go, go get in the 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,000 gym, go lift weights. I want to inspire people to do 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,040 that. Now all interviewers have their 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,520 own style, and my style is to try to get to the point and to 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,400 be intensely curious. And the key to interviewing is 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 listening. Take a look behind the curtain 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,280 with a real whistleblower and American patriot. 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,520 Prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth because this 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,200 program has no time for comforting lies. 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,000 defender, and recovering FBI agent Kyle Seraf. 24 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,760 Well, hello my friends and welcome to another Sunday. 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Sit down. Today we're going to be talking 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,480 to Marty Combs. You may have seen his story on 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,720 maybe Instagram or maybe you saw it over on X. 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,160 It's the guy that was walking down stairs and he shot a bear 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,400 in his house. And that's probably the least 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,960 interesting thing about him. 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This is my house and my bare 98 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,480 arms and I'm bearing arms and I think there's a bear down there. 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:05:03,480 Let's go check it out. Oh, my God. 100 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,680 Oh, my God. All right. 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Nice and easy. Deep grass. 102 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,400 Here you go. Will you give me a clap on your 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,440 end, too? Just in front of the mic so I 104 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:18,120 can sync up the ice? Ladies and gentlemen, for 105 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,280 today's Sunday, sit down. We're going to be talking to 106 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:21,840 Earl. Marty. 107 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:24,840 I got questions about that calm. He's a commodities trader. 108 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,440 He is a father of six. He's a guy who shot a bear in 109 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,080 his kitchen, which is why you probably heard his story. 110 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,000 He's a man who believes in agency and says you can just do 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,400 stuff. So we're going to have a cool 112 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,040 dad to dad conversation about men just being men in the world 113 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,560 and and not waiting for permission. 114 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,040 Marty, thank you for joining me. I really appreciate you cutting 115 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,280 time out. Hey, Kyle, thank you for having 116 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:47,120 me on. It's an honor. 117 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 I'm stoked about what you got going on behind you. 118 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Can you tell me a little bit about what's going on in that 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,200 cool wall that that display wall and and why? 120 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Yeah, so this is my gun room and I've, I've been a firearms guy 121 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,120 for a long time. I just, I love shooting. 122 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,960 I love all the different disciplines, whether it's 123 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,520 pistol, handgun, I'm sorry, pistols, handguns, rifles, 124 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,880 shotguns, hunting long range, up close competition, shooting at I 125 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,520 love it all. So just it's, it's a fun hobby 126 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,280 and it's a fun way to go practice your agency, which I 127 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:23,040 think we're going to get to in a bit. 100% that, yeah. 128 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,000 And, and do you have any military or law enforcement 129 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,280 background or you just a regular dude in America who does like 130 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:30,640 America stuff? I'm a regular dude in America 131 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,760 who likes America stuff yes. So I I think that's actually 132 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,520 kind of why a lot of people blommed on to the bear story was 133 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,520 I'm I'm just a normal dude who likes to shoot and protected his 134 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,560 house so. Yeah. 135 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,160 I've also seen that you said something I I want to see. 136 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,400 I saw this on social media the other day. 137 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,480 I was just kind of like trolling your feed and it said something 138 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,360 to the effect of I just want to have some acreage to patrol and 139 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,600 I want to just patrol my own sort of like Homestead. 140 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Is that is that about right? That's me, yeah. 141 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,160 I live up in the mountains. I have 35 acres up here and you 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,600 know, the kids get to run around in the mountains and we love it 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,160 up here. Just a little elbow room. 144 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,600 And I do go run around with a rifle on my property and patrol 145 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,600 it and check game cams and things like that. 146 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,240 I love this so much. All right? 147 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,080 We're going to have a lot of fun. 148 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,680 All right? Will you tell people where'd you 149 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,160 come from? Where'd you grow up? 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,400 How did you end up, you know, being a guy who's got six kids 151 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,840 in in Colorado? Maybe some back story as far 152 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,280 back as you want to go. Yeah. 153 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,360 So born and raised in Barrington, IL lived there until 154 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,000 2011. Graduated from Wheaton College, 155 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,440 which is where I met my wife. We lived downtown Chicago for 156 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,400 two years and then, yeah, moved out to Colorado in 2011. 157 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,440 We just wanted to live in the mountains and we love it here. 158 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:49,720 And let's see, started having kids in 2013 and now we've got 159 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,800 six of them. And then, yes, I'm a commodities 160 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,600 trader. I run a proprietary trading 161 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,040 firm. We have an office in Chicago and 162 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 our headquarters is actually now here in Colorado. 163 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,000 And we trade mostly corn, wheat and soybean futures. 164 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,280 When did the gun thing start? You know, I was always into 165 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,280 paintball and airsoft as a kid. I always liked running around in 166 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,040 my backyard as a kid with my friends, shooting BB guns and 167 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,000 doing whatever. So it was always something I 168 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,440 liked. And then when I moved out to 169 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,560 Colorado, that's really when I got into hunting. 170 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,120 And then from hunting started getting into, you know, other 171 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,360 firearm disciplines. And Colorado used to be a very 172 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,160 gun friendly state. When I moved out here it was 173 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,880 great. Things have changed since then 174 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,640 and changed for the worst obviously, but for the most part 175 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,280 still it's still a decent gun state. 176 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,679 Is it fair to say that Colorado has a pretty big divide between 177 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,840 urban and rural when it comes to guns and and maybe even like 178 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,720 civil liberty sensibilities? I would say it's a divide 179 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,560 between like the Front Range and the rest of the state. 180 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:57,280 And even on the Front Range, I would say Denver, Boulder and 181 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,320 the rest of the state. You know that Colorado Springs 182 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,000 is still pretty conservative. They've got the big military 183 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,640 presence down there. And then I think a lot of people 184 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,120 don't realize that Colorado is a lot of rural cattle country. 185 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,240 Yes, there's the mountains, but even up in the mountains, it's, 186 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 it's very rural. And so some of the ski towns can 187 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,760 lean left. Those ski bums, you know, those 188 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,360 guys, they, they vote left. But for the most part, big, big 189 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,600 divide between rural and urban. What is the age range of your 190 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,600 children right now? I just want to kind of get the 191 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,520 last little bit of background and then we're going to start 192 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,680 talking agency and and why and. Shooting bears, Yeah. 193 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:38,640 So my oldest just turned 12 and then it's 12 on down to two. 194 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,680 We have twins that are two. So everything in the middle 195 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,880 between 12:00 and 2:00. We got a 10 year spread. 196 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,640 That's a solid move. So I've got 4. 197 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,400 I'm a little bit jealous. I, I actually, I always people, 198 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,240 you know, they look at you when you have 4 kids and they go 199 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,080 like, oh, that's a lot of kids in America today. 200 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,680 And I'm like, I'm not even on the rung of the ladder. 201 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,800 I feel like 5 is the entry level for like the big family is that 202 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,160 is that bring true to. You I would say anything over 203 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,520 three these days, you know, it seems like people are having 204 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,360 fewer and fewer kids, which I think is a real shame. 205 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,240 I love having a lot of kids. I tell people all the time, you 206 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,000 should have more kids and I love it, but I would say 3 is 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,640 probably the cut off because that's when you go to zone 208 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,200 defense. You know, once, once you're in 209 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,200 zone defense, that's, that's the real game changer. 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,560 And honestly, to me, kind of all felt the same after that. 211 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,320 Once you're in, you know, your, your, your, your, the husband 212 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,760 and wife are in zone defense and you got to, you got to cover 213 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,840 different, a lot of different territory at the same time. 214 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,000 So. OK. 215 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,080 You got to break that down for people that will versus man 216 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,880 versus zone explain the the theory. 217 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,240 I know exactly what you're talking about, but. 218 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Maybe, Yeah, Yeah. So I guess it's a basketball 219 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,040 reference. You know, if you can go man to 220 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,440 man, that's a certain type of defensive coverage. 221 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,280 And then you can also do zone defense, which you have like a, 222 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,840 you basically have a zone and you're not man to man, you're 223 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,720 covering like an area. But you know, basically when you 224 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,920 only have two kids, you can go man to man and you know, the 225 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,280 wife can cover one kid, the husband can cover the other kid, 226 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,280 pretty straightforward. Once you have three, now all of 227 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,600 a sudden you got more to worry about. 228 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,200 And so you got you got to change your strategy in terms of 229 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,640 parenting. And then like I said, once once 230 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,840 you get past that third kid, it really just starts to feel all 231 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,560 the same. And honestly, like my 12 year 232 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,120 old is so helpful. Like people don't tell you that 233 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,640 it almost seems to get easier. You kind of go through some 234 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,960 wormhole of parenting as you have more kids and it somehow it 235 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,880 starts to feel easier again. So. 236 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,680 The the theory as explained to me one time was that once you 237 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:35,240 have a third child, somebody is always open. 238 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:36,760 That's right. Yes, that's right. 239 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,400 And. And could be involved in 240 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,560 whatever shenanigan, but at my 8 year old daughter has been also 241 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,880 integral in handling the two year old that I've got. 242 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,200 So that's my spread. It goes eight to two, eight to 243 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,200 two. And I, I regularly will just 244 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Commission my 8 year old and I'm like, when I'm not around, 245 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,000 you're the boss. So she runs things for the baby 246 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,920 like she's a mom and she has that value set too. 247 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,200 So I agree with you that at some point they start running 248 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,240 interference on each other and it actually gets easier. 249 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,920 Yeah, they play with each other too, you know, just just the 250 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,120 fact that they can entertain. Each other. 251 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,480 That seems to help, definitely that. 252 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,360 There's a guy named John Mulaney. 253 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,600 He's a comedian. You ever heard of him? 254 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,000 I have not. He was on, I want to say he was 255 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,400 on SNL for a while and he said we used to have babysitters 256 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,480 because like, I grew up in the 80s, you know, we had 257 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,560 babysitters that'd be teenagers, that'd be young teens. 258 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,400 And he was like, we would pay other children to watch our 259 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,240 children. It was like dogs keeping an eye 260 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,000 on horses. It was like the most logical 261 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,520 thing in the world. So every time my wife and I 262 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,480 leave the 8 year old and we're like, hey, watch your sister for 263 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,640 a second. She's like dogs watching horses. 264 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,240 I'm like, I know, but they're really good at it. 265 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,320 They're effective. OK, so you're living in 266 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,680 Colorado. You got 35 acres. 267 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:44,720 Is that what I heard? Yes, that's right. 268 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,360 What is the terrain around you? Is this like everybody has 35 269 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,800 acres? Are you guys in the boonies? 270 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,080 Can you explain kind of the the layout how you ended up with a 271 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,840 bear that climbed at your house? Yeah, So it's a, we live outside 272 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,440 of town. We're probably, we're not too 273 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,720 far out of town, but it it is does get pretty rural pretty 274 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,160 quickly. We live up in the foothills. 275 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:05,080 So yes, all my neighbors are on 35 acre plots. 276 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,440 The houses are very spread out. I can't even really see my 277 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,200 neighbor's house. I can see a neighbor across the 278 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,720 valley, but that that's the that's the only house I can 279 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,600 really see. And so everybody's on 35 acres 280 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:22,080 and it's, I would describe it as like rolling foothills with a 281 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,960 lot of Ponderosa pine. So it's Ponderosa pine forest 282 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,560 in, in the foothills. And then we do have bears 283 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,440 around. I actually saw one yesterday. 284 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:33,480 I hadn't seen one since I shot one, but I, I saw one yesterday. 285 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Just happened to you. And so they're around the bear 286 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,920 the way it got in the house, and this is probably the most common 287 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,840 question I get is how did that thing get in there? 288 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,040 It climbed up on a second story deck and we had a window that 289 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,200 was open 'cause we like some air flow. 290 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,040 We live in the mountains, we don't have air conditioning. 291 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,720 And it it was able to Jimmy open that cracked window and it 292 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,880 pushed in the screen and got into our living room and kitchen 293 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,560 that way. Let's go through the just 294 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,280 verbally. If you explain for folks who 295 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,360 haven't seen this viral video, we'll have played it up front so 296 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 they'll be able to check it out. And I and it's an interesting 297 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,280 thing to be famous for or, you know, mildly famous for Internet 298 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,160 famous for. I think you probably would 299 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,120 agree. Maybe explain what happened on 300 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,320 that night, what's going through your head, what the family was 301 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,440 involved in at the time. And then I want to go to the 302 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,240 alternative, what what could have been the normal American 303 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,640 reaction. And I think that's going to get 304 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,880 us to agency. OK, Yeah, absolutely. 305 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,280 So it was at 4:00 in the morning, so early morning. 306 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,320 I was kind of rolling over. So something had awakened me. 307 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,160 And then, you know, my wife heard it for sure. 308 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,960 And she's like, hey, there's something going on, got to check 309 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,240 it out. So I've got a pretty good 310 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,760 security camera system and alarm system and I I. 311 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,280 You had cameras in your house? I might like that. 312 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Was what? What drives that? 313 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Because it's videoing you at all times, yes. 314 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,040 Yeah, that one is. That one's just, I mean, it's 315 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,000 just security cameras. That one's actually on the front 316 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,840 door. So when you watch the video, you 317 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,800 can see the front door to the left in the frame. 318 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,200 And so it's more or less I have a, a camera on the outside of 319 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,920 that door so I can see if anybody comes to the door. 320 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,240 But I also wanted something in that part of the house that's 321 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,640 like our foyer. And it's really the reason I put 322 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,400 a camera there is it's the Nexus of the entire house. 323 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,000 And if somebody's going to come upstairs, that's the only 324 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 staircase going upstairs. So that's like a, like I said, 325 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,400 that's the Nexus of the house and that's just a great spot to 326 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,040 have a camera. It just so happened to catch me 327 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,040 shooting a bear in in my kitchen. 328 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,120 So the kind of cool that it was there, but because I don't think 329 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,520 anybody would have believed me otherwise. 330 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,040 That's right. That's exactly right. 331 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,840 OK, so 4:00 AM rumbling downstairs. 332 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,800 What did what did it sound like? What was your first instinct of 333 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,240 what you thought was going on? I, I didn't really hear it. 334 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,400 And like I said, I checked my security cameras, I didn't see 335 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,680 anything on the cameras. And so, you know, my camera 336 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,280 system is geared more towards people and vehicles and my 337 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,800 driveway's a quarter mile long. So I've got multiple cameras out 338 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,320 there. If somebody, if a person or a 339 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,360 vehicle had approached the house via normal route, I would have 340 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,680 known it. So didn't see anything on there. 341 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,400 Kind of wondering what it is happened to grab my AR15. 342 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 I think out of discipline or habit or maybe maybe it was how 343 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,480 much my wife seemed concerned at the time because I didn't really 344 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,600 hear it. So grabbed my R15 and I went 345 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,000 downstairs pretty casually. Like if you see the video of me 346 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,160 walking downstairs, I didn't even put any clothes on. 347 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,200 I'm in my underwear. Everybody on the Internet seen 348 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,400 me in my underwear now. I didn't even put the sling on 349 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,760 my gun over my head. I just kind of casually walked 350 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,800 downstairs. I think. 351 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,160 I don't think I thought it was. I thought it was nothing. 352 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Essentially I thought it was just another bump in the night. 353 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,760 I thought that I don't know, the wind blew and a door slammed or 354 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,880 the curtains knock something over, who knows? 355 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,480 You know, we, I, we get a lot of bumps in the night out here. 356 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,080 It's not the, not the first time I've gone downstairs to check 357 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,720 something out. So I'm going downstairs thinking 358 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,200 it's nothing. And then as I get to the bottom 359 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,360 of the stairs, that's when I hear a little something from the 360 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,160 kitchen. And that's when I started 361 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,200 switching it on a little bit and you can see my movement changes, 362 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,560 right? Like I'm going down the stairs 363 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,120 super casual. And then all of a sudden, like, 364 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,839 I kind of go into that mode of like, oh, that something could 365 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:07,760 be there. And I, that was a moment too, 366 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,800 where I decided not to retreat back upstairs. 367 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,599 It was like, OK, I'm going to just, I'm already in this. 368 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,319 I'm going to go see what it is, Check the pantry, nothing in the 369 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,119 pantry. And then I go into the next 370 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,240 room, which is our living room that overlooks the kitchen and 371 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,200 there's a kitchen island. And the bear was on the other 372 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,040 side of that kitchen island going through the trash. 373 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,040 And I, I see it for a second, but I, I can just, I, I can just 374 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,560 barely see it and then I try to keep moving to get an angle on 375 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,680 it and that's when it comes right around that corner at me. 376 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,120 And I shot it 7 times. What sort of thinking, what sort 377 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,240 of mental process was happening as you were? 378 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,000 Did you assume what it was or you just saw shape and blur and? 379 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,800 I knew what it was as soon as my white light hit it. 380 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,800 I could see black fur and I could see some ears on the other 381 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,560 side of the counter. I was like, oh, that's a bear. 382 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,280 So I knew like that white light was super important. 383 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,440 Put a white light on your home defense gun. 384 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,840 If you have a home defense gun, very, very important. 385 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,560 But I knew, I knew right away. As soon as my white light saw 386 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,960 hit the top of that black bear, I knew what it was. 387 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,720 And then you dumped what I think 7 rounds. 388 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,400 Does that sound right? 7 rounds hit the bear all 7 389 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,480 times and only one only one bullet fragment went through the 390 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,880 bear and barely nicked my floor so I don't have any new holes in 391 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,000 my house so I was good. That's the other thing, train, 392 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,720 do your bell drills at the range. 393 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,280 Make sure you're getting your good hits fast. 394 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,480 When you need them, yeah. I think that's what I think. 395 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,880 That's what may have caught me off guard, too, was the speed of 396 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,440 the response, the accuracy of it. 397 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 The, you know, you just kept delivering rounds until Fred 398 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,680 obviously stopped where it was. All those were, you know, that 399 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,440 was some textbook stuff. I think people have probably 400 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,880 reached out to you and told you as much. 401 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,400 It was impressive for like, you know, you haven't been to war. 402 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,160 No, you're just a guy who's training yourself. 403 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,160 Do you spend money on training? Do you go and do individual 404 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,120 private training or is this self training? 405 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:58,400 It's largely self training. That's another thing I'm big on. 406 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,000 Like I've, I've taken a few very remedial classes. 407 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,000 The, the most training I've gotten is from friends who have 408 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,680 either been in law enforcement or the military. 409 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,680 I've got several buddies that I'll go shoot with and I just 410 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,120 try to soak up as much as I can from them and then, you know, go 411 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,920 practice it on my own. Let's talk about what your 412 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,080 options were when you heard Bump in the Night and you said you 413 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,000 decided that you were already in it so you stayed in when you 414 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,120 were already down the stairs. What are some of the other 415 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,560 things that could have gone on if you were to game it out? 416 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,960 Like you had maybe like maybe 3 or 4 different choices When, 417 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,640 when you get the honey, there's something downstairs, you know, 418 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,680 nudge. Yeah, So like a kind of a 419 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,200 armchair quarterback myself here, I could have just turned a 420 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,240 bunch of lights on. I didn't turn any lights on. 421 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,680 I don't know why I didn't do that. 422 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,400 I think maybe I just didn't want to wake my kids up or it just 423 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,600 didn't seem appropriate in the moment and I just didn't turn 424 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,920 lights on. But maybe if I flicked down all 425 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,120 the lights in the house, the bear would have run out. 426 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,240 I don't know. I I could have made more noise. 427 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,600 I could have, like, I mean, using the flashlight was 428 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,200 essentially announcing my presence. 429 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,600 But you know, I could have, I could have been making noise. 430 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,000 That's a hard 1 though, because it's like how much do you want 431 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,440 to maintain the element of surprise and how much do you 432 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,240 want to just broadcast your position and your intentions so. 433 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,880 Just as a regular dad, I, I feel like the minute you turn all 434 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,920 those lights on, you've committed to being out for more 435 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,400 than 10 minutes. That's right. 436 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,160 That's the other piece of it, right? 437 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,800 I mean, because you don't know what's on the other end of this 438 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,800 thing. It's like you heard something. 439 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,920 It could be I in my house. It could be the ice maker just 440 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,080 made more. Than the last time. 441 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,680 And so am I really going to throw lights on, wake myself up 442 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,960 and then lay there and lose half an hour 45 if I meant to sleep, 443 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,080 I don't. I don't. 444 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,320 I don't get mad about that. I saw, I saw some people say, 445 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,640 well, you should have just called 911 right away. 446 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,080 And had I had I seen a person on my cameras, I would have. 447 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,000 But I like, I, like I said, I didn't see anything. 448 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,400 So in my mind I was going downstairs kind of thinking this 449 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,720 is nothing, I'm going to have to go shut a door or something. 450 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,320 I don't know. So yeah, but I could have, could 451 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,440 have called 911 right away. Obviously didn't do that because 452 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,440 there wasn't really any evidence leading it need to believe it 453 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,640 was something dangerous. Those, those seem like the major 454 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,680 things. I think the 911 thing is that a 455 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,240 lot of Americans are conditioned. 456 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,280 If you have a problem, call somebody who is specialized to 457 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,840 deal with your problem, right. Let's let's get a professional 458 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,120 in here. And I guess that's what struck 459 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:23,360 me about some of your response to it, particularly the word 460 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,920 agency, which I've, I've always told people stop, stop either 461 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,560 seeding your agency or stop refusing your own agency because 462 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,880 you have it. Do you want to talk about when 463 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,720 that concept maybe jumped into your brain, where it comes from, 464 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,920 if there's any particular context behind it? 465 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,320 And I imagine you have some real thoughts there. 466 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,400 Yeah, there. There were two things in 467 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,120 particular that really started getting me to think about this. 468 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,800 And they were both natural disasters. 469 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:54,040 I was in New York City, I forget what year it was maybe 2012 for 470 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Superstorm Sandy. Do you remember Superstorm Sandy 471 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,360 that came through? And yeah, I was there for that 472 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,760 as a tourist. And that was I, I saw first hand 473 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,160 how scary things get, like how fast things devolve. 474 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,360 And even if you have outsourced your agency to the police, they 475 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,400 may have bigger problems to deal with where they're not coming to 476 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,360 save you because the power's out for everybody. 477 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,440 And people are eating each other in lower Manhattan. 478 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,800 Not not literally, but they were probably only a few days away 479 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,480 from that. It's. 480 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,880 Like, yeah, I, I always joke with my wife about that. 481 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480 I was like, you know, you know, if things get really bad, you 482 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,440 know, depending on what kind of neighbors we have, you always 483 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,160 can be neighbors. And she's like, you can't say 484 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,560 that. And I'm like, I'm being it's 485 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,160 obviously a joke, as you just said, too. 486 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,120 But in dense urban areas, like I think that mindset is not that 487 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,520 far away. It's a couple days away. 488 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,640 So that I think that only lasted like 4 days or so where it was 489 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,640 scary and we ended up getting out of there. 490 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,720 We, we actually it was the best taxi ride of my life. 491 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,920 I went and found a taxi, which were impossible to find, and I 492 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,760 offered this guy whatever he wanted to drive us to New Jersey 493 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,840 or no, through New Jersey to Philadelphia. 494 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,600 We drove all the way to Philadelphia and flew out of 495 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,480 Philly to get out of there. And that was like, it was 496 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,320 expensive, but it was the best taxi ride of my life. 497 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,360 It was like escape from New York, you know, Get Me Out of 498 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,960 here. And so that that was that was 499 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,720 the first time. And the second time was living 500 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,600 out here in Colorado. There were the floods in 2013 501 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,360 and our house got hit by a mudslide. 502 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,040 And I actually ended up saving a teenager, a high school teenager 503 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,880 from the flood debris and two kids wrecked. 2 high school kids 504 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,120 were actually killed. Her friends were killed right in 505 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:31,720 front of my house. And so, you know, search and 506 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,040 rescue couldn't even get to our house because of the flood 507 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,600 debris. It took him a long time just to 508 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,600 get certain, like, specialized vehicles up to our house. 509 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,080 And, you know, they were airlifting people from the next 510 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,720 neighborhood over because things were so bad. 511 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,760 And it's like, well, you know what, Somebody might not be 512 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,920 coming to save you. And that was that was just 513 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,360 another instance where I was like, hey, I've got to, I've got 514 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,600 to get stronger. I've got to be able to defend, 515 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,440 defend my house. I've got to be able to defend my 516 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,000 family. And so, yeah, those two natural 517 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,200 disasters were really changed me and had me start thinking about 518 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,640 all this. And then what's your first step? 519 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,400 Once you've decided that there's a a need for something, what did 520 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000 you do to go prepare? The first thing I, well, so the 521 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,680 first thing after New York was I bought a handgun. 522 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,160 That was when I bought my first handgun was I think 2012. 523 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,120 So I was like, OK, I'm going to go home and buy a gun right 524 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,160 away. So I did that after the 525 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,720 mudslide. That was what really got me into 526 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,200 weightlifting. I was like, I need to be 527 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,880 stronger because I had to dig this girl out of the flood 528 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,240 debris. She was stuck in a car and I had 529 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,640 to dig her out. And I was like, I have, I was 530 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,720 fine. Like I got her out. 531 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,440 It was OK, But I was like, hey, I have no excuse for not being 532 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,200 as strong as I can possibly be in case somebody's life depends 533 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,000 on me. Like if somebody's life depends 534 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,440 on my strength, I better be hit in the gym. 535 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,400 This was before you had kids, right? 536 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,960 We're right around there. So the flood hit our house and 537 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,480 then my wife went into labor that next morning. 538 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,400 Search and rescue was in the area looking for these kids and 539 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,520 search and rescue came because our our car was buried. 540 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,400 Search and rescue came and took us to the hospital and my my 541 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,320 daughter was born. That afternoon, that is, that is 542 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:11,080 a really, really serendipitous amount of timing, I would say. 543 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,920 Yeah. Is is it just me here? 544 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,280 We made the nightly news with Lester Holt for that one. 545 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,160 So you can go, you can go look up Marty Combs on the nightly 546 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,640 news or Laura Combs, I think. I think it's actually under her 547 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,080 name. My, my wife's name is Laura. 548 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,920 And the story is really about her and my daughter, not me, 549 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,240 but. Right. 550 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,680 But OK, so I know you're a person of faith. 551 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,040 I know you've made reference to that. 552 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,240 We're going to get into that in a second too. 553 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:38,680 I have this ongoing theory that that some of us who know that we 554 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,280 need to do the right thing, that have the instinct to do certain 555 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,600 things, develop hard skills, make sure that your physicality 556 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,000 is there, whatever it may be. We're also sort of hard headed 557 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,160 and God needs to tell us more than once. 558 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,640 Is it just me or is having to dig a teenager out and then 559 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,960 having your baby a couple minutes later like a real big 560 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,120 double whammy? God letting you know like this 561 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,200 is, this is your move, man. It's time to get ready. 562 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,560 You're in the game. It was a wake up call for sure. 563 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960 Providential from the Lord, I suppose. 564 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,520 But but yes, I, I, I, I think that God, he does speak to us 565 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,520 through, through things like that, or he's spoke, spoke into 566 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,240 my life that way for sure. OK, All right. 567 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,520 So, you know, you got to get strong. 568 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,040 You bought a handgun, was it that was the how much shooting 569 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,120 background did you have prior to that? 570 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,280 You said paintball and stuff like that and BB guns were you, 571 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,640 did you have firearms with, you know, dad or mom or your family 572 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,840 grown up? My grandfather had given me, had 573 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,120 given me a bunch of hunting rifles. 574 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,840 So I, I had hunting rifles and things like that, some shotguns. 575 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,520 So I, I had been shooting, you know, and I, I enjoyed shooting. 576 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Most of my shooting was geared towards hunting, whether it was, 577 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,640 you know, bird hunting or big game hunting, things like that. 578 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,080 I hadn't really gone into the defensive, more tactical side of 579 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,960 shooting before that. Fair enough. 580 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,480 All right. So you've got one baby on the 581 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,960 ground. You got a, a mental decision 582 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040 that you're not going to get gassed in an emergency. 583 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800 What's what's next? You start hitting gym? 584 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,120 Is that part of it? And then and then what? 585 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,840 Yeah, hitting the gym and becoming more self-sufficient. 586 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,480 You know, we ended up moving up to 35 acres up here. 587 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,000 I can go hunting right here on my property. 588 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,920 I've got a garden now. So yeah, that kind of 589 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,000 self-sufficiency mindset to some extent. 590 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,880 We're on a well, so we have water in case something happens. 591 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,280 The next thing's probably getting solar. 592 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,000 I'd love to get completely off grid with solar, but yeah, just 593 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,680 kind of that self-sufficiency mindset. 594 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,680 Yeah. I don't know. 595 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,120 I don't know what what's what's really next? 596 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Well, yeah, let's talk about mindset though, because that's 597 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040 really, you know, skills are one thing, knowing how to use it and 598 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,680 when to use it, you know, deciding that you're going to go 599 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,760 in and and I'm going to go check out what's going on. 600 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,280 I'm not going to tie up the authorities with a 911 call 601 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,120 because it was a noise that maybe anything in my kitchen and 602 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,880 maybe it ends up you smoking a bear. 603 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720 Maybe it ends up with you just closing a refrigerator door that 604 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,400 rattled loose or something. Exactly that mindset aspect. 605 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,200 Did you develop that? Where do you think it comes 606 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,120 from? I. 607 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,360 I think listening to, you know, good voices on YouTube, I, I, I 608 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,760 watch a lot of YouTube content and I try to learn from guys who 609 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,280 have actually been in scenarios where they have to have that 610 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,440 mindset. You know, whether it's somebody 611 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,120 who was an Army Ranger, Navy CEO or whatever. 612 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,600 And you know, they've actually been in way more stressful 613 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,560 situations than shooting a bear in their kitchen. 614 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,680 That, that's something that I, I just thought a lot about it. 615 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,440 And then I think sports too. I played baseball in college. 616 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,920 I played baseball through college at Wheaton. 617 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,360 And so I think there's sort of that athlete mindset that really 618 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,640 comes into it. And then also hunting too. 619 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,840 I mean, when I shot that bear, it felt pretty chill actually. 620 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,560 And I think it was part of the experience of having haunted a 621 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,600 lot and, and also being confident in my training in my 622 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,480 range time. You know, I, I told somebody 623 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,560 else that I checked my heart rate monitor stats after the 624 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,360 fact and my heart rate cracked like 110. 625 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,360 No, it didn't even crack 110. It cracked 100. 626 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,480 It didn't crack 110 on the on the graph. 627 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,200 So I think that, yeah, having been there before and harvested 628 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,360 animals in the field and knowing what it's like to shoot 629 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,280 something, but also being really confident in your training and 630 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,240 getting those good reps in and also practicing mindset when 631 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,640 you're at the range, right? It's easy to go to the range and 632 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,600 just almost act like you're at the bowling alley where you're 633 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,840 just lobbying projectiles down range and having fun with your 634 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,640 buddies. And it isn't this great. 635 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,360 But actually practicing mindset and actually having a plan and 636 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,920 actually executing that plan and getting better and having 637 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,960 metrics and, you know, getting on a shot timer and trying to 638 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,840 make yourself better instead of just sort of recreation at the 639 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,360 range. I think that's really important. 640 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320 People who were just listening and couldn't see I was cracking 641 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,040 up when you said you checked your heart rate monitor. 642 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,600 That's like the most bro dude thing to do is to go check the 643 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,320 stats after the fact. But it but it actually does play 644 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,000 exactly into what you just said about the range. 645 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,320 And I want to hone into it for a second because we don't, I don't 646 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760 talk about guns as much here or training as much as I, I, I 647 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,320 enjoy doing it. I had a guy tell me he was a, he 648 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,920 was a instructor. He said if you can't measure it, 649 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,080 then you can't tell whether you're improving or not. 650 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,920 So checking a heart rate monitor in a, in a action circumstances, 651 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240 that's a big, you know, it's just an, it's a doubt point. 652 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,320 It doesn't mean anything but. It's fine. 653 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,800 Yeah, that that's like an old business adage. 654 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,680 If you can't measure it, you can't manage it. 655 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080 So that's exactly right. That's why the shot timer is so 656 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,200 important at the Ranger. Yeah, heart rate data is really 657 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,480 important. You know, if you can measure it, 658 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,880 you can manage it, but if you can't, you're just kind of 659 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,760 shooting in the dark. Do you do? 660 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,200 Yeah, white lighting helps. No, no puns intended there. 661 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,280 Do you? Do you run a heart rate monitor 662 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,840 when you're doing your training at the range too? 663 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,400 I do. I don't normally look at it 664 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160 though. I'll look at it more for, you 665 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440 know, if I'm going for a run or a hike or something like that. 666 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000 I don't, I don't normally at the range. 667 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,440 I don't normally track my heart rate data. 668 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,600 That's fair. It's one of those things you may 669 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,840 add in there. I occasionally do it. 670 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,720 If I put on a play carrier and I want to do something kind of 671 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,080 dumb and I'm going to run a course of fire and I know it's 672 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,720 like where did I start? Where did I end? 673 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,280 Was I making good hits at 140 beats a minute? 674 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,480 If I go and stress myself out and go do it because maybe not 675 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120 everybody is cool under fire. When when a bear jumps at him in 676 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,280 the darkness, they may end up having a much more emotional 677 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,680 reaction is I think it's somebody. 678 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,080 My drill structure just called emotional reactions always a 679 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,720 possibility. So as you developed this 680 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,520 mindset, who were some of the voices that you were listening 681 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,960 to on YouTube that were crafting this, this attitude that no 682 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,840 one's coming to save you? Oh. 683 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,840 Man, that nobody's coming to save you. 684 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,600 You know, I listen to, I've been listening to Travis Haley for a 685 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,200 long time. I've been a fan of his for a 686 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,720 long time. John Lovell, I've been listening 687 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,560 to him. I actually, he actually had me 688 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,600 on his podcast. So that that was really fun to 689 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,320 actually talk to him. And he's he's been somebody I've 690 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,920 been listening to for a long time. 691 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,400 Who else? The GBRS group guys are kind of 692 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,640 new on the scene, but I do think that they have some good mindset 693 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,800 stuff that's important, so I've been listening to them some and 694 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,560 obviously they're former Dev group guys, so yeah, stunts. 695 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,680 Let's. Just listen to listen to those 696 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160 guys. Did you listen to Mike Glover at 697 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,640 all? I yeah, Phil craft survival 698 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,440 absolutely. I, I, I did he, he was big on 699 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,920 mindset for a long time. And yeah, I did. 700 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,680 I I listened to him for sure. It's just interesting. 701 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,840 I'm, I'm always curious like how much that social media presence 702 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,800 has actually crafted some of the mindset that we bring into the 703 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,040 world. So again, like I'm a dad. 704 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,080 I'm, you know, I was an FBI agent, but like, I'm not an FBI 705 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,040 agent more. I'm just dad. 706 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480 I have a podcast that I hang out with my kids the same way that 707 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,440 you get to hang out with your kids. 708 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,440 And, but at that same time, like no one is coming to save us. 709 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,800 And I used to listen to Travis Haley all the time. 710 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,960 I used to listen to John. I've still listened to John. 711 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,640 He was my number one guy to send people to. 712 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,040 You want primary skills. You want to learn how to grip a 713 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,480 rifle or how to do a quick, you know, 0 John stuff is awesome. 714 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,960 So I it's funny. It it's interesting that we 715 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440 gravitate towards these types of voices, but they also all have 716 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040 the same kind of message. Not one of those guys ever said 717 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,480 like I'm the biggest baddest dude in the world and that's why 718 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,000 you should listen to me. Like there's some dudes that are 719 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,360 kind of like closer to the, I don't know if they are like the 720 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320 bro vet end of things and they're not nearly as focused on 721 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,800 instruction and teaching and maybe value added for real 722 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640 people. I've gotten to the point where I 723 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,440 can kind of like see right through that pretty quickly 724 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160 depending on how they present themselves. 725 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,320 Like there's been some high profile cases recently around 726 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,480 like, well, I never listened to that guy in the 1st place, but 727 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600 it's probably because my BS meter was going off, right? 728 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,680 Like you can, you can tell. So you, I, I don't, I mean, I 729 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,240 can tell. It may, may take some, maybe a 730 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,040 discerning eye to be able to differentiate. 731 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,480 But at least for me, I I thought, I thought it's been 732 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,000 very apparent over the years who seems to be trustworthy and 733 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400 who's not. Yeah, there's something about 734 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,720 self curation on there. Anyway, I just, I found it 735 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480 interesting that all those names, those all always stood 736 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,160 out to me as guys that I liked listening to. 737 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,480 There's a humility in that, I think actually in those in those 738 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,920 characters and the way they present their messages. 739 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:53,040 So let's talk about decisions to take that mindset into the rest 740 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,600 of the world. What do you mean when you say 741 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,520 men, you don't have to ask for permission, You can just go do 742 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:56,960 stuff. What? 743 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,400 What does that mean, broadly speaking? 744 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560 Broadly speaking. Who told you that, by the way? 745 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,040 Who told you you could just go do stuff? 746 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,320 It was kind of like a who told me that a pastor, actually a 747 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,600 pastor on on Instagram. No, he's on Twitter. 748 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,199 Well, he's on both, but like on X, his name is Andrew Isker, and 749 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,199 he just started posting you can just do stuff. 750 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,440 And he's a pastor. He was a pastor in Minnesota, 751 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,800 and now he's a pastor down in Tennessee, I believe. 752 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,440 But yeah, he was. He was just kind of joking all 753 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,679 the time, especially with the Trump administration coming in 754 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,679 and just doing stuff. He's like, you can just do 755 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,159 stuff. And so yeah, I kind of ripped it 756 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,480 off from Andrew Isker. But yeah, I think it, people get 757 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,639 so caught up in the what ifs of life or, you know, having to ask 758 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,639 permission to do something. And I, I'm just like, you know 759 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,040 what? Take a risk, get out there, do 760 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,800 it. And if you if you fail, learn 761 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,360 from it. And it's a even failure as a way 762 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,080 of learning to hone your agency. And so your agency is basically 763 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,360 your power to just go do stuff. You should be able to assert 764 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,560 your will in certain situations. You should take Dominion and 765 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,520 just go, go do it. And then as far as asking 766 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,120 permission, a specific example that I've been using a lot after 767 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,240 shooting the bear is actually there's, there's like 3, there's 768 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:17,240 three categories to this. And the 1st is a guy wants to 769 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,080 get a gun for home defense, but his wife says, no. 770 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,280 It's like, bro, you're the guy going down there. 771 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,920 You're the, you're the guy investigating the bump of the 772 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,760 night. You should have the tools and 773 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,680 the skills that you need to defend your home. 774 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,640 So you actually probably don't need to ask your wife's 775 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,880 permission. You should just exercise your 776 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,840 agency as a man and go buy a firearm. 777 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,680 And the other one is around specific types. 778 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,680 The other two are around specific types of firearms. 779 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,320 Either one, they already have an AR15 and their wife says you 780 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,680 can't have that for home defense. 781 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,760 Or they want to buy an AR15, but their wife's like, well, you 782 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,360 can't buy an AR15. It's like, hey, if you feel like 783 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,520 you need an AR15 for home defense, that's what I like. 784 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,600 That's what I use. I'm a huge proponent of it. 785 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,280 If that's what you feel like you need to, you don't need your 786 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,240 wife's permission. You're a man. 787 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,640 Exercise your agency. Go buy an AR15 for home defense. 788 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,800 Where do you think this, this imposition came from? 789 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,200 Because they're, they're obviously our, I've got friends 790 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,960 who are in the military and their, and their wives are like, 791 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,640 you know, you can have guns. I just don't want to see them or 792 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,520 know about them. And, and and that somehow flies 793 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,040 is this mate selection. What what is going on here in 794 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,480 this society where women are making, they're stepping into 795 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560 the men's tool rage again, It's a tool. 796 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,520 You called it what it was. If you need the right tool for 797 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,920 the job, My buddy who's a who's a prior Marine and he's an FBI 798 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,680 agent, He said professionals have professional tools. 799 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,880 So if you want to be a professional in anything, you 800 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,760 know, why not? Yeah, I think, I think our 801 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640 culture is very feminized. So that's where it comes from 802 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:44,880 it. We're just, we're, I think a lot 803 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,920 of times we're in, we're swimming in the water and we 804 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,480 don't even realize it. There's one of my favorite 805 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,480 author authors says that we live in a gynocracy where all the 806 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,120 rules of society have now become very feminized. 807 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,040 And so you have to be empathetic, even if empathy is a 808 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,600 crazy thing to do in that moment. 809 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,800 You have to empathize with somebody and you have to, you 810 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,880 have to cater to these feminine sensibilities. 811 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,840 It make no sense. It's like if you want an AR15 812 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,960 for home defense and you need to shoot a bear in your kitchen, 813 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,200 you should have the tool that you want for that. 814 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,480 And it doesn't really matter what the peanut gallery upstairs 815 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,320 thinks about it. You know, in the in the bedroom, 816 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,040 like she is under your charge. You're responsible for 817 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,560 protecting her and any children that you may have in the house. 818 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,280 And you should just be able to go do that. 819 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,360 You can just do stuff. Just go buy an AR15. 820 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,760 Just go do stuff. One of my wife came from a very 821 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,400 caring type profession. Speaking of feminization, she 822 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,840 has a master's degree in mental health counseling, so she was a 823 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,320 marriage and family therapy. She's going to love this 824 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,400 episode. Well, my wife is, you know, she 825 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,280 owns her own AR15. She has her own blocks right 826 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,480 now. She's got her own shotgun in the 827 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,960 pantry. Like my wife is radicalized. 828 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,440 I moved into Texas and we made her good. 829 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,200 For you good. For you? 830 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,360 Good. Leadership she was born in 831 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,840 Brooklyn, so that's what needed to happen, right and she also 832 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,400 got baptized the day before they took my badge and my gun from 833 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,840 the Bureau. So our story is, is actually 834 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,640 another one of those things where we got punched in the face 835 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,600 because I'm stubborn and got a new help me. 836 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,720 But the thing that I like is that early on in our our 837 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,040 relationship, one of her friends who was a, you know, very 838 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,160 compassionate, loving, empathetic, you know, 839 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,560 left-leaning creature in the world, God love him, was trying 840 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,920 to do nice things. She said, did you know that your 841 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640 husband owned all those guns before you married him? 842 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,680 And she was like, yes, that's why I married him, so that he 843 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,400 can protect me and my babies. Sounds like a great. 844 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,360 Sounds like a great woman. I like her already. 845 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,280 It's, it's the, it's the right way to go. 846 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,240 But it was also because we started off with the discussions 847 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,200 like, look, I'm going to have, I have the things that I need. 848 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,280 I'm going to put out a firearm in your home. 849 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,680 I'm going to teach you how to use it safely. 850 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,720 And then I'm going to leave it here because I was in the 851 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,480 military at the time. So I used to commute to, to go 852 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,240 see her. I was like, I can't bring a gun 853 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,000 on and off base all the time. I'm going to have one at your 854 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,480 house. I'm going to teach you how to 855 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,200 use it. And if I need it, it's there. 856 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,880 And then you're going to have a gun at the house. 857 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,400 And then we're going to have multiple guns at the house. 858 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,800 And then we're going to have all the guns at the house. 859 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,840 If we can't, like we're going to get all the ones we get out. 860 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,360 But it was, you know, baby steps where it wasn't really a 861 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,920 negotiation. Don't need to ask, I just do so. 862 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,480 Right. Yeah, exactly. 863 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,160 It does need to be done. How do we let's scratch the edge 864 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,520 of feminized What did you call it? 865 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,360 A gynocracy? Gynocracy. 866 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,840 Yes. That might be the next Fighting 867 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040 the Gynocracy. I think I ripped off Stephen 868 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,160 Wolf for that one, so I'll give him credit for for that. 869 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,720 But yeah, that's fair. Look, it's a tribute to just use 870 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,760 somebody's term like that. How do we? 871 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,920 How do we? As men who are, maybe. 872 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,360 Outliers who are like, you know, dots in the darkness. 873 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,880 How do we how do we expand that influence and maybe reduce the 874 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,280 genocracy? Well, it's going to be, it's 875 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,400 going to take a long game. So we got to play the long game 876 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,160 for sure. I would, I would start there, 877 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,680 but I would say also make sure that you're leading your family 878 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,560 well, lead your wife well. Go to church. 879 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,000 If you are a man who has leadership tendencies. 880 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,240 And I think this, this feminization is also captured a 881 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,320 lot of churches. So be in leadership at your 882 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,680 church. So I think it it comes down to 883 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,800 men exercising their agency in their sphere of influence. 884 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,320 And we got to start there. So that's that's the first thing 885 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,640 you can do. And then beyond that, I would 886 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,280 say trying to figure out where the edge of your agency is. 887 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,680 And don't be afraid to speak in those areas. 888 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,520 So, for example, don't be afraid to say something that might be 889 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,000 politically incorrect in the moment if you think it's right, 890 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,560 if you know you're right. But you, you know, you want to 891 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,160 say something online or, you know, try to shift the Overton 892 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920 window, which isn't really in your sphere of influence, but 893 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,320 it's at least you can participate in the conversation. 894 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,720 Don't be afraid to don't just keep your politics at home. 895 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,760 Be outspoken about it. Talk to your friends about it. 896 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,200 I think there's a lot of we were coming out of an era where 897 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,160 everybody was, especially on the right, was so afraid to talk 898 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960 about anything. Her fear of being cancelled and 899 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,120 now we're in a more conducive area to at least talk about 900 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,960 things, you know, talk even if you have friends that disagree 901 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,160 with you politically, don't be afraid to engage them and talk 902 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,720 about it. And you know, there's there's no 903 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,880 reason to just go hide so. I like the term edge of your 904 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,800 agency. Can you think of any concrete 905 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,000 examples where you found wherever your edge was and then 906 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,400 you kind of pushed that that nudge it over the edge? 907 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,840 I am. So I'm an elder at my church 908 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840 here in Boulder. I go to the, well, church. 909 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,080 And at least a challenge for me personally is I'm not very good 910 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,280 at public speaking. Speaking one-on-one with 911 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,680 somebody like this is fine. But yeah, public speaking, I'm 912 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,960 not very good at it. But that was an area where I was 913 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,400 like, hey, I've got to get better at this. 914 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,000 And so actually just doing the liturgy at church has been a 915 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160 great way where it's like, oh, man, this is an area that I need 916 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,880 to work on my agency. I'm going to lead the liturgy. 917 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080 But I don't preach. I had to, I guess I could 918 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,960 preach. I don't preach. 919 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,680 But like, you know, literary, literary G at church on Sunday 920 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,680 is just something that I've been working on in terms of like my 921 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,200 agency, in terms of public speaking. 922 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,720 I feel like maybe this is just a value that has gone away and 923 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,000 masculine culture, but when I grew up, if you found things 924 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,120 that you were scared of or that were hard for you to do, then 925 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,640 that that's the thing you were supposed to go to. 926 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,720 Yeah. I mean, isn't. 927 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,240 I mean isn't. Were you raised that way? 928 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,080 Is that am? Am I unique in thinking that? 929 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,000 I was raised that way and my parents definitely pushed me to 930 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,280 do hard things. So there's that. 931 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,440 And then there was also, I kind of came to this, my own 932 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,960 realization through athletics, whether it was baseball or I 933 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,920 loved outdoor sports. So I ski and I rock climbed, 934 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,800 things like that. And for a long time at like, for 935 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,800 example, I was really bad at crack climbing when I was rock 936 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,920 climbing and I would shy away from it and I'd be like, OK, I'm 937 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,320 just going to go do what I'm good at. 938 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,400 And after a while, I came to the realization is like, hey, you 939 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,400 just actually need to do what you suck at because that's how 940 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,760 you're going to get better. And so, yeah, like, and now I 941 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,440 love climbing cracks, you know, it's great. 942 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,880 Same thing for like bump skiing or mogul skiing. 943 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,680 I for the longest time I was like, I hate bump skiing. 944 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,000 And I was like, you know what, You just got to go do it and you 945 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,520 got to get better. And now I love bump skiing. 946 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,120 Well, everybody hates what they're not good at because 947 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,680 they're not good at it. And then put the work in like, 948 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,000 that's the only way you're going to get good at it. 949 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,160 If you just were given all the gifts, then it's, you know, it's 950 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,840 not a challenge. I love it when I hear people say 951 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,360 that they're like, well, you're good at this thing. 952 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,880 It's like, well, yeah. Why do you think that is? 953 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,320 Yeah, I worked at it. Yeah, it it took I had AI had a 954 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,960 a coach years ago. So I was a swimmer growing up 955 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,960 and I don't really like swimming actually, but I did a lot of it. 956 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,800 I did thousands and thousands of hours. 957 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,240 And the reason that I became a swimmer is because I had a 958 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,600 brother. He's a year younger than I have 959 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,560 a brother. He just doesn't talk. 960 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,920 But he drowned when he was like 2 1/2, three years old. 961 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,800 He drowned in a pool. And my parents saw that moment 962 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,480 and they're like, everybody's going to be a really good 963 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,600 swimmer now. There will be no more drownings 964 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,200 under our watch. Like this was a imagine, you 965 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,760 know, my dad did this where he literally looked out in the spa 966 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,240 and he's got his, I think, 2 1/2 three-year old son who's face 967 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,160 down on the bottom for unknown amount of time. 968 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,840 Absolutely devastating. And, and what that does to you. 969 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,320 No, he's fine. He's got no deficits. 970 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,120 He's just an, A hole. But like just, that's just who 971 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,160 he is. I think his personality was 972 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,760 probably always going to be that, but he, he was fine. 973 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,360 He was resuscitated by people who had real skills, you know, 974 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,200 paramedics and so on. And they had a breeding before 975 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,360 he got the hospital. He was fine. 976 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680 But then everyone is like, you know, all my siblings now all 977 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,160 became competitive swimmers because that was the outgrowth. 978 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,400 And then it wasn't that I was just good at it, you know, like, 979 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200 I'm, I'm not tall. I'm 5/8 and I'm not built to go 980 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,160 be a Mark Spitz or did we go Matt Biondi or whatever the new, 981 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,320 what is it, Michael Phelps? I'm not built like those guys. 982 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,960 Yeah. But the, the job is you got to 983 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,200 go swim because we're not going to have anybody drown again. 984 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,000 That's how you get good at it. So that that attitude of go find 985 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,200 what you're scared of or go find what you're not good at, go work 986 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,760 at it. My coach said this. 987 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520 He was a Olympic medalist. His name is Jerry Heidenreich. 988 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,920 And he said it takes tremendous effort to become effortless. 989 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,240 Very true. And it's, it's one of those we 990 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,400 look from the outside and we're like, Oh yeah, I could do that. 991 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,320 Like I could go do a like a, you know, some crazy jump on a on 992 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,720 ice skates or figure because a human being's body could do it. 993 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,320 They see somebody sees you walk down the stairwell with a rifle 994 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,120 and sees you dump like 7 well aimed shots in the darkness 995 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,000 without a lot of preparation. And they're like, yeah, I 996 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,960 probably could do that. Maybe. 997 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,440 But I bet you, I bet you got a lot of reps to flipping that 998 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,240 safety and making it happen, right? 999 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,880 Yeah. Like we go and and they always 1000 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,920 tell you this in the military too. 1001 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,560 Like nobody raise rises to the level of the challenge. 1002 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,800 They always fall back to their level of experience or training. 1003 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,320 Exactly. Exactly. 1004 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,720 What other, what other areas outside of speaking in in 1005 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:15,840 church, which I think is a good one. 1006 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,320 And that's a really good place too, because you've got a 1007 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,080 forgiving audience. But there's also, there's also 1008 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,920 like a high internal pressure to not suck. 1009 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:23,520 Yeah. What? 1010 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,560 What other places are you challenging the edge of agents? 1011 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560 I think recently leadership in my family, you know, just like 1012 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,920 really trying to be a good dad. So that that should absolutely 1013 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,040 be in my sphere of influence. But the one of the things we 1014 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,880 decided to do recently in the last few years was we started 1015 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,800 homeschooling our kids. And so that was a way where I 1016 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,160 was like, OK, I am not sending my kids to public school to be 1017 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,560 indoctrinated to, you know, the government schools. 1018 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,680 I don't like calling them public schools, you know, the 1019 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,600 government schools. I am not going to have my kids 1020 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,520 indoctrinated there. There was some stuff that 1021 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480 happened at the school where I was like, this is, it was the 1022 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,000 last straw without going into too much detail. 1023 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,600 And so, yeah, we're homeschooling now and it's 1024 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,560 great. I love it. 1025 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,360 I get to teach my kids. My wife teaches my kids as well. 1026 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,240 We have a, my wife and I both work, but we have a tutor that 1027 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:18,360 comes to the house as well. And you know, I feel like that's 1028 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,080 me exercising my agency over my children's upbringing. 1029 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,560 And I get to spend more time with my kids and I get to form 1030 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,320 their minds. And man, I'm, I'm now I'm a huge 1031 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,480 proponent of homeschooling. Like that's a great way as a 1032 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,120 man, even if you're not the one teaching your kids, even if 1033 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,920 you're the man working outside the house, if you're the one 1034 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,480 that has to say, hey, listen, wife, it's it's, we got to 1035 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,320 homeschool our kids. We got to figure something out. 1036 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,120 Even if you have to go get a tutor or whatever. 1037 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360 We need to have agency over our children's upbringing. 1038 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,000 Do you know what curriculum you guys or do you guys use a 1039 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,040 specific one? We use a combination of 1040 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,680 different ones, but for the most part we are classical 1041 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,200 conversations. OK. 1042 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520 I'm familiar with that, classical conversations, and 1043 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,560 we're homeschooling as well, which is always interesting. 1044 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,000 Yeah, what? What do you guys use? 1045 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,920 I know they use the bold and the Beautiful, but my wife doesn't 1046 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,840 like that for the science end of things, so she's using a 1047 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,240 different curriculum that's just trying out. 1048 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,400 This year. She's kind of been dancing 1049 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,840 around. Oh yeah. 1050 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,760 Good, good and the beautiful. We use good and the beautiful. 1051 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,960 Good and the beautiful. What do I call this? 1052 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,840 We use so much bold and the beautiful. 1053 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,160 Yeah, good and the beautiful. That's probably. 1054 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,320 A soap opera. We we use that. 1055 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,400 We use some of that curriculum as well for the reading and 1056 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,400 writing and things like that. What are you specifically doing 1057 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,200 as a dad? That's part of the homeschool. 1058 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,240 So what? What are you teaching 1059 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,040 specifically, and what kind of time commitments? 1060 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,200 That I teach. So the nice thing about my 1061 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,120 schedule is I'm a commodities trader. 1062 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,680 Markets close local time at 12:20. 1063 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,720 And so, you know, I do a little bit of wrap up work. 1064 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,680 I'm home by 1:00. And then our tutors here a 1065 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,080 little before that. She shows up at like noon. 1066 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,360 I kind of instruct the tutor a little bit on what I want her to 1067 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,120 cover. And then while she's working 1068 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,440 with some of the kids, I'll teach math. 1069 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,440 And then in classical conversations, two of my kids 1070 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,200 have a paper that's due every week. 1071 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,400 So I'll, you know, coach them through writing. 1072 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,560 And so that's, I guess language arts. 1073 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,600 But yeah, those are my two things really is math. 1074 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,120 Math and language arts. You're doing the older kids 1075 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,920 right now and kind of the more kind of the. 1076 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,600 Math for everybody. Yeah. 1077 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,760 So I actually, yeah. So the older kids, my twins, my 1078 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,120 twin boys, they, they're not really doing much yet. 1079 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,160 They're 2 1/2. So we'll get there with them 1080 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,120 eventually. But yeah, the four older, four 1081 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,680 older kids, teaching them every day. 1082 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,320 And you have boys too, is that correct, Boys and girls? 1083 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,720 I have, yeah. So we 4 girls and two boys. 1084 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,960 And the boys are those are the twins is. 1085 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,040 That what I heard. Yes, yes. 1086 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,320 OK, so one girls and then we had then we had twin boys. 1087 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640 How do you imagine girl? I've got 3 girls, so I kind of 1088 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,920 know what that's about too. I I got that sensation. 1089 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,720 What do you planning on teaching your boys? 1090 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:47,600 It's hard when they're two. You're just loving them and 1091 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,880 watching them destroy stuff. But what is your mindset that 1092 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,080 you want to try to start conveying? 1093 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,680 Is it that and are you kind of shaping that? 1094 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,040 Because it's going to be different than girls. 1095 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,600 You probably already could tell. Yeah, so I don't want them to be 1096 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,160 afraid of being aggressive. I grew up in, when I grew up, I, 1097 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,840 I felt like there was sort of this kind of just be a nice boy 1098 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,320 mentality, Just just be nice, be nice, you know, and I don't want 1099 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,360 my boys to be afraid to be aggressive now. 1100 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,000 I want them to channel that appropriately. 1101 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,960 And so that's where I'm really going to have to step in is say 1102 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,840 like, Hey, you know, God gave you, God gave you these 1103 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,880 masculine tendencies. We just have to make sure that 1104 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,200 we're pointing them in the right direction. 1105 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,960 And so I don't want to, I don't want to stifle their masculinity 1106 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,520 by, you know, saying like, Oh, you know, you can't do that. 1107 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,480 Just got to be nice and you a good little boy, you know, it's 1108 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,440 like, no, we're, we're going to, we're going to go, we're going 1109 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,600 to go do stuff. There's AI, can't remember who 1110 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,280 said it, but I remember reading it and they're like, yeah, 1111 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,880 that's true. This guy said something to the 1112 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,880 effect of violence isn't always the answer, but it obviously is 1113 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,040 an answer sometimes. Historically speaking, it's been 1114 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,960 the answer. But. 1115 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:00,640 That's probably true too, yeah. You're not wrong though. 1116 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,760 No, I, I say that. I say that jokingly, but yeah, 1117 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,440 I, I, yeah, violence is never the answer. 1118 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,280 I don't ascribe to that at all. It's like, it's definitely a 1119 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,040 tool in your toolkit. You may have to use it. 1120 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,720 You better be good at it and you better know when to use it. 1121 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,000 You don't want to, you don't want to use violence foolishly. 1122 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,360 So that's like, that's a, that's a great example of like, hey, I 1123 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,960 want my boy, my boys to be capable of great violence, but I 1124 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,360 want them to have it in check and if, and I want them to be 1125 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,200 able to use it in the scenario where they need to use it, not 1126 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,240 when they don't, which can be a total disaster. 1127 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,760 Is that balance between meekness and weakness right or what? 1128 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,680 In the military that I always tell you, kindness, Don't 1129 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,120 mistake kindness for weakness. Just because you can be kind 1130 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,960 doesn't mean you don't have the ability to do something else. 1131 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,160 How do you how do you model what you expect your your girls to 1132 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,360 look for in a mate? Are you guys talking about this 1133 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,800 kind of stuff? Are you guys discussing like 1134 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,200 what it would look like in the future as they get older? 1135 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,840 You know, there's, there's a, yes, we, we do talk about it 1136 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,480 some. There's a bedtime story that I 1137 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,920 think my pastor gave us. I can't remember who gave it to 1138 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,280 us. I remember he was the one who 1139 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,720 recommended it. So maybe my wife went out and 1140 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,560 bought it. I'm not sure. 1141 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,960 But it's called marry a man like me, you know? 1142 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,360 And so I'm trying to set the example for them and be very 1143 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,000 present in their lives and give them a good, strong, masculine 1144 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,280 example of what they should be looking for in a spouse someday. 1145 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,400 And what are those, what are those tendencies look like? 1146 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,280 Are are they specific or is it sort of look at dad? 1147 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,120 First thing is they they have to love Jesus. 1148 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,360 That's number one. We tell them that all the time, 1149 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,120 maybe every day, I don't know. But yeah, first one's got to 1150 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,360 love Jesus and otherwise it doesn't matter. 1151 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,400 They have to be a man of good character. 1152 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,760 They have to be able to take care of you, have to be able to 1153 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:46,640 provide for you. Trying to think what else I 1154 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,680 don't know. Yeah, like I said, I want them 1155 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,320 to look at me and see how I treat my wife and treat them, 1156 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,800 and I want them to hopefully marry somebody, somebody like 1157 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,720 that. No, I, I, I wonder this too, 1158 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,000 because one of the things, tell me if you agree with this, but I 1159 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,440 feel like the way that we beat some of this cultural leftism, 1160 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,040 we beat the Femini. What did you call it? 1161 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,520 The gynocracy. Gynocracy. 1162 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,680 Yeah. I like, I like saying it like 1163 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,680 real smoothly, like it's a real like a thing that people don't 1164 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,760 necessarily put with the gyno part of gynocracy. 1165 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,440 I think that's kind of but the way that we kind of pushed back 1166 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,720 against that. And I grew up in the same. 1167 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,800 I'm I'm a little bit older than you, I think, but I grew up in 1168 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,120 that same sort of women were instructing boys to act like 1169 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,680 what women thought nice boys would be. 1170 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,880 Exactly. And in reality, like what I 1171 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,600 wanted to do was go shoot birds with a slingshot just to see if 1172 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,800 I could kill them. You know what I mean? 1173 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,400 I wanted my brothers and I wanted to shoot BB guns into 1174 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,960 into tennis balls to see if we could make a jump or maybe shoot 1175 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,080 ourselves with it on accident and be like, you know, we 1176 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,440 survived. Now we're not going to tell 1177 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,080 anybody or we're going to hit a baseball through the window. 1178 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,400 When I was a kid, I remember one time I, I just wanted to like 1179 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,360 knock a ball over the house. And so we did. 1180 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,360 I just didn't get it over the house. 1181 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,680 I went through the house. I went through a window. 1182 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,600 And then it was like, oh, no, I broke a window. 1183 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,560 That was a terrible decision. You're like, I shouldn't have 1184 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,680 done that. And I remember my dad looked at 1185 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,120 me and he goes, well, you've broken a window. 1186 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,200 Now you have to fix the window. He didn't lose his mind. 1187 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,160 He. He had me go get my money out of 1188 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,520 my allowance and we went to a Home Depot and I got a pane of 1189 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,800 glass cut for the measurement. And then I had to, I had to peel 1190 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,400 off the pieces of the of the window and I had to put the pane 1191 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,720 in there and seal around it. And then I put the wood frame 1192 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,560 back on there. It was a little decorative 1193 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,800 window. So it was like, you know, 9 1194 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,360 inches by 12 inches and something. 1195 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,960 It wasn't like a huge pane, but that was my anyway. 1196 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,120 And it cost me like 4 bucks. And I was like, dude, I could 1197 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,040 break all the windows in this house and still afford it. 1198 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,680 Yeah, I got the wrong idea about that. 1199 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,160 But I go and I solve problems like that, right? 1200 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,680 And I have this sense that the way that we get out of that 1201 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,320 gynocracy. Gynocracy. 1202 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,680 You can also say longhouse if you prefer. 1203 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,480 I don't know if you've heard Longhouse, but if if that word 1204 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,720 makes you uncomfortable. You can say no. 1205 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,480 It makes me happy. Like I want to do words that 1206 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,840 make people like. If it makes people 1207 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,560 uncomfortable, I like that. Word shorthand. 1208 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,800 Or like slang, I guess. Yeah, Longhouse. 1209 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,600 OK, so that's the that's for the cool kids. 1210 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,040 I'm going to be the I'm going to be the guy that just hones in on 1211 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,960 it like it's a scientific term. And it seems like the way we get 1212 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,680 out of this is we have to out breed these people. 1213 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,240 Tell me if I'm wrong on that attitude. 1214 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,200 Do you have that mindset? That's certainly part of it. 1215 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,760 Absolutely. That's certainly part of it. 1216 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,320 And then and then as a Christian, you know, there's the 1217 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,040 the mandate to be fruitful and multiply. 1218 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,000 So I'm telling Christians all the time, hey, go have a lot of 1219 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,480 kids. You know, you should have, you 1220 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,360 should have a bunch of kids. It's in it's right there in 1221 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,560 Genesis. Go you can go read it so. 1222 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,840 Do you think there's a backswing of men that think the way that 1223 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,080 you do? First of all, how whole are you? 1224 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,680 So I'm I'm estimating here but I'm guessing. 1225 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,080 I just turned 40 yesterday. OK, so just hit 40. 1226 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,040 OK, so a lot of my buddies are that I, I got like three years 1227 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,000 on you, so or almost 4. But there's men in this power 1228 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,840 zone from, I don't know, 35 to 45 that have kind of figured 1229 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,040 this game out. It's a minority, but there are 1230 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,280 certainly more and more men I run into that are like, yeah, 1231 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,240 we're going to have eight kids, nine kids. 1232 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,920 We're going to just keep having them as long as God will give 1233 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,240 them to us. Yeah. 1234 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,120 Well, I mean, if you look at the other side, they are inherently 1235 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,360 like sterile, you know, like they don't have kids or they're 1236 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,920 sexually deviant, so they can't have kids and they they don't 1237 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,880 even really get married married. Like they've just totally like 1238 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,760 abandoned the entire institution. 1239 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,080 And so I think, I think again, playing the long game with 1240 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,480 having kids is a huge part of it. 1241 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,320 Absolutely. I had this this epiphany of 1242 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,920 revelation when I was talking to some folks. 1243 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,800 We made like a Prager U type video and I said leftism is a 1244 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,120 religion of converts. All late, right? 1245 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,520 Because they're not raising people in that that mindset. 1246 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,840 That's why they're after your kids in the government schools. 1247 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,920 That's right. They said they got to get your 1248 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,040 kids because they don't make any. 1249 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,200 Yeah. No, it has to be that way. 1250 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,760 When you were growing up, do you recall some of this has to do 1251 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,400 with like intentionality? I feel like it. 1252 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,800 And you're obviously living some pretty intentional things. 1253 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,480 Even the stuff behind you, it's intentionally put there in an 1254 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,600 intentional way to be able to access in your gun room. 1255 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,240 Did you remember being told growing up? 1256 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,000 This is like my favorite question to ask people in my 1257 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,920 bracket. Like did anyone ever tell you 1258 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:04,320 how to date or how to be successful at that enterprise? 1259 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,320 How to select a mate? Dating was hard, and it does 1260 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,680 sound like even on the right, there's like a dating crisis 1261 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,920 right now. I've heard about that. 1262 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,640 I don't know. I'm so far removed from it that 1263 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,280 I just hear other people, you know, talking about it. 1264 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,600 But I never really did. My dad was pretty good at 1265 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,200 telling me what to look for in a wife. 1266 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,720 And then, you know, I went to Wheaton College where I went on 1267 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,320 some dates. But I, I never really dated 1268 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,200 anybody all that seriously until I met my wife. 1269 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,000 And we dated for not that long before we got engaged. 1270 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,480 I think we only dated for like 6 months and then we got engaged 1271 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,960 and then nine months later we were married. 1272 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:45,120 So I guess no, I'm, I'm not sure that I'm a, a good person to ask 1273 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,960 on that. I got married at 23 pretty much 1274 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,120 right out of college and I'm a huge, I'm a huge proponent of 1275 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,560 doing the same thing. It worked out for me. 1276 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,680 I know a lot of people are like, oh, don't get married young, go 1277 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,480 see the world, have fun. I'm like, Nah, get get married 1278 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,280 young. It's great. 1279 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,680 I love my wife and I love my kids and I wouldn't, I wouldn't 1280 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,840 do it any differently. No, I think if I did it again, I 1281 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,960 would. You know, I can't change the 1282 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,800 path that got put me out. But I didn't get married till I 1283 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,320 was either 31 or 32. And I think both my wife and I 1284 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,000 wish that we had been married earlier. 1285 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,040 We didn't really have a choice, but that's what we married, 1286 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:17,880 Yeah. And, you know, life 1287 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,120 circumstances are hard. Like I have friends who wish 1288 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,560 they were married already and they're not. 1289 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,640 So it's just. Whatever. 1290 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,280 But yeah, that was my other questions. 1291 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,280 Like where were you in your peer group at 23? 1292 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,600 You're getting married. How many of your your friends, 1293 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,960 either college or from high school, were getting married at 1294 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,560 that age? Yeah, we were some of the first 1295 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,160 ones to get married for sure. Yeah, even even going to Wheaton 1296 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,920 College, which is a Christian college that's known for lots of 1297 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,000 people getting married out of that school. 1298 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,920 We were some of the first ones to get married other other than 1299 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,600 the people that beat us to it by getting married. 1300 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,040 Actually in college we had some friends that did that, but they 1301 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,640 were kind of the anomaly. So yeah, we were pretty early, 1302 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,200 early to get get married. That didn't used to be the case 1303 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,080 though. I think people used to get 1304 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,480 married in their early 20s. It was standard. 1305 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:56,360 They get rid of that high school. 1306 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,400 Absolutely it was. So what happened? 1307 00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,080 I don't know. Yeah. 1308 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,360 What happened, That's all I was going to ask you. 1309 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,760 What happened from your perspective? 1310 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,280 Where you where you grew up? I think it is part of feminism. 1311 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,560 Feminism tells, you know, women that they need to go have a 1312 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,000 career and that they need to go be financially stable before 1313 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,120 they can even get married. And that's not, that's not the 1314 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,960 case. I, I think that's, yeah, I 1315 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,120 would, if I had to put my finger on something, it'd probably be 1316 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:27,440 feminism again. But I don't know the, the, I 1317 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,760 think feminism's a lie that tells women they can have it all 1318 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,880 and they just can't, you know? And then all of a sudden they're 1319 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,560 35 and they realize the clock is ticking and now what are they 1320 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,000 going to do? So. 1321 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,280 Yeah, they squandered the like, the best, like, I don't know, I, 1322 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,160 I, I have this trade off because I'm, I'm obviously I have young 1323 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,720 kids and I, and I started later and I had this instinct. 1324 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,480 I'm like, I probably am a better dad than I would have been if I 1325 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,600 was in my 20s. Maybe. 1326 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,120 I don't know. Sometimes men rise to the 1327 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,440 occasion to be good dads. But also like, I'm way more 1328 00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:02,040 tired. 40 almost 44 did. Somebody say the other day that 1329 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,240 the reason that you can do all nighters in college is because 1330 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,760 that's when you're supposed to be having kids and being up all 1331 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,840 night with your kids. And as you get older it gets way 1332 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,760 harder. Like man, we had, I mean we had 1333 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,080 the twins like 2 years ago. I was 38, I guess, and having, 1334 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,360 you know, having twins at 38, that was like, oh, I was a 1335 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,840 zombie for a while. Yeah, I mean, you still would do 1336 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,680 it again, obviously, but at the at the same time, it's brutal. 1337 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,680 It's absolutely way more brutal. And and your recovery time is so 1338 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,400 much slower. That's a great theory. 1339 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,240 All nighters in college were supposed to be for like sick 1340 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,600 babies. Yeah, exactly. 1341 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,800 And and crying and, and relieving your wife. 1342 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,000 I, I think the first couple nights that we brought my first 1343 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,960 daughter home, my wife didn't sleep for, I don't know, a week 1344 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,080 and 1/2 or something crazy, like she just wouldn't go to bed 1345 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,760 because she was always worried she was holding. 1346 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,960 We didn't know that you could put a baby down, let him cry for 1347 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:53,880 a minute. It'd be OK. 1348 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,600 So it was just non-stop holding. So we both fell asleep holding 1349 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,560 the baby. You know, you don't know 1350 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:58,640 anything. He's doing the best. 1351 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,920 How much, how much institutional knowledge have we lost too? 1352 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,520 Do you guys see that that that knowledge of child rearing that 1353 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,920 has been lost because of these decades of telling women like by 1354 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,800 the time that grandmas are are around? 1355 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,280 They're decades away from having raised children, so they don't 1356 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,960 even remember. Right. 1357 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,280 I hadn't thought of that, but it seems it seems like a lot, you 1358 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:26,720 know it because if everybody was having kids at 20, you know, you 1359 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,400 could be a great grandma at what, 80 or something like that, 1360 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,080 doing the math, right? No, it was 60 probably so yeah. 1361 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,200 But you you'd be definitely a grandparent at 60. 1362 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,760 I guess I don't know I'm I'm struggling with the math right 1363 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,680 here off the. Top If you got yeah, people were 1364 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,440 having babies at 23 and you had babies at 23, then by 48 you 1365 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,480 could be like a grandparent, more than one kid. 1366 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:45,240 Right. Yeah. 1367 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,040 And at 60 something, you could be a great grandparent, you 1368 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:48,400 know? Right. 1369 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:49,360 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 1370 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,360 Yeah, I, I think that there probably is. 1371 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,760 We've stretched out the generations. 1372 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,000 What you've done is you've basically stretched them out. 1373 01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,880 And yeah, you probably did lose a lot of intergenerational 1374 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,400 knowledge, but, you know, just because of the way it is and 1375 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,320 people aging out or, you know, cognitive decline because you 1376 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,480 get older and all of a sudden, yeah, you don't have that 1377 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,040 resource anymore, so. Do you, do you live close to 1378 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,040 family now? Do you guys have access to 1379 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,200 grandparents nearby? Is that something that? 1380 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,080 Yeah, so we, we moved out to Colorado in 2011. 1381 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,200 I've got three siblings. They all followed me out. 1382 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,800 Then my parents bought a place out here. 1383 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,240 They're now Colorado residents. And then my wife's family did 1384 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,480 the exact same thing. So everybody's out here. 1385 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,440 We all moved out from Illinois and it's been kind of a slow 1386 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,000 trickle W from the Chicago area. But yeah, we're we're all out 1387 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,560 here, which is great. You know, having that family 1388 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,120 nearby is it's a really valuable resource. 1389 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,400 And I think that's another thing that's hard. 1390 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,640 I mean, I, I, I was the one that moved, so I started it. 1391 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,400 But at the same time, I do think families are so disconnected 1392 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,760 now. And I think that connectedness 1393 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,600 of the extended family is something that's super 1394 01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,520 important. It's how we were meant to, it's 1395 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,360 how we're meant to be, you know, and now I, I talked to so many 1396 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,320 people who are like, oh, yeah, I live in Houston, but my daughter 1397 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,160 lives in Florida and my son lives in California and my other 1398 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,800 son's working in DC or something. 1399 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,160 It's like you're just all over the place and you see, you see 1400 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,320 each other a couple times a year. 1401 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,880 It's like, that sounds kind of brutal to me, actually. 1402 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,200 It's horrible. I've got, I've got five siblings 1403 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,040 and I see none of them ever and I I wish that wasn't the case. 1404 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,480 I'm I'm actually really impressed. 1405 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,440 You were the first mover. That's just demonstration of 1406 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,760 agency. I guess you can just do stuff 1407 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:31,760 you. Can just move the Colorado if 1408 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,000 you want. Move and bring everybody with 1409 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,760 you. Why do you think they all 1410 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,640 followed you? You know, I showed them that 1411 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,560 it's pretty great out here. I showed them at the family 1412 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,720 business, my brother and my dad. I work with them. 1413 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,040 So I showed them that trading was possible out here. 1414 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,520 Our headquarters is now out here. 1415 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,240 And then, you know, the quality of life. 1416 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,560 Don't. I don't want to say this 1417 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,240 publicly like, because I don't want more Chicagoans moving out. 1418 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,880 Here but the quality. Of life out here is just 1419 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,160 amazing. So yeah, it's, it's fantastic. 1420 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,600 You know, everybody thinks that Colorado is being snowy and cold 1421 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,000 and just miserable. It's so sunny here and it's it's 1422 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,640 dry. So the heat doesn't feel as bad 1423 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,720 and never really gets that hot. We don't even have air 1424 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,000 conditioning in our house. And then, conversely, the cold. 1425 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,760 Doesn't feel as cold. You know, so we will get snow. 1426 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,520 I mean, we'll get dumped down with snow, but then the sun 1427 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,200 comes out and it just seems to melt off. 1428 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,800 And you know, there's so much to do with skiing and climbing and 1429 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,680 hiking and hunting and just be, if you're an outdoors person, 1430 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,680 it's just, it's unmatched. I would imagine that Chicago, 1431 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,760 probably some of the coldest I've ever been in my life, was 1432 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,360 in Chicago just. Chicago. 1433 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,760 They're they're legit. Yeah, unless. 1434 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,800 Unless it's MAGA country and you're getting a sandwich. 1435 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,720 It's actually. It tends to be pretty brutal in 1436 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,600 the no way. I, I stood there and went like, 1437 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,800 what on earth am I doing here? I would, I would think that 1438 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,280 Colorado would be way nicer. That's in general. 1439 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,760 And, and I think you're spot on. All right. 1440 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,680 I want to I want to do a little discussion about what's going on 1441 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,040 over your shoulder just because people are going to geek out 1442 01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,280 about what you've had an an influencer moment. 1443 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,920 Would that be fair to say that you kind of? 1444 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,280 Yeah, I think I was already kind of trying to be 1 before this 1445 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,360 happened and this just kind of fell into my lap. 1446 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,880 So I already had an Instagram account with, you know, several 1447 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,880 1000 followers. You know, I was up at around 1448 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,960 like 6000 followers and I was kind of already doing that, not 1449 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,760 really successfully. And yeah, probably doubled in my 1450 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,240 amount of followers since then. So yeah, it's fun and you know, 1451 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,800 it's, it's a fun hobby. And I've, I've said this 1452 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,560 elsewhere that this is kind of my outlet for exercising agency. 1453 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,920 And people will, some people will look at this and be like, 1454 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,360 oh, that guy's just LARP ING. You know, I don't live action 1455 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,400 role-playing or whatever. It's like this guy's just 1456 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,360 playing pretend. But I think in today's society, 1457 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,360 our feminized culture, as a man, you probably have to LARP or you 1458 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:54,040 probably have to like pretend a little bit in terms of if you 1459 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,800 want to maximize your agency, right. 1460 01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,760 So take it not guns. Let's talk about lifting 1461 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,520 weights, for example. You probably are never going to 1462 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,720 have to pull a girl out of a car in flood debris. 1463 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,800 You can just go to your job, you're 9 to 5 and look at Excel 1464 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,240 sheets and then go home and watch the latest Marvel movie 1465 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,640 and eat Cheetos and you could be a man who does that. 1466 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,480 Are you cultivating your agency in terms of strength or do you 1467 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,040 need to get it in the gym right? You don't. 1468 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,320 You don't need to bench press 315 lbs in today's society. 1469 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,960 And going to the gym alone is kind of a form of like Larping 1470 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,400 or kind of like a form of pretending. 1471 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,720 You don't really need to do that. 1472 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,680 So, and it's the same thing for firearms, right? 1473 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,160 So you may never have to shoot a bear in your kitchen. 1474 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,280 You may never have to shoot anything at all. 1475 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,080 But it it's good to have the agency or practice your agency 1476 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,200 and have this the tools and ability when you cultivate your 1477 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,880 agency as an as a man. And yeah, it may take may feel 1478 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,560 like you're pretending a little at times, but that's OK. 1479 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,000 I'll, I'll give, I'll give your listeners a pass. 1480 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,560 You can go. You can go lark a little. 1481 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,200 Yeah, well, I think, I think it was John Elbow who said it, he 1482 01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:59,360 said. To the effect of like who? 1483 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,320 Can wear Multicam you can wear. Multicam, if you could buy it, 1484 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,480 then you could wear it, and nobody's going to ever look bad 1485 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:05,200 on you. Who cares? 1486 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,400 Yeah. Just exactly. 1487 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,840 Yeah. Sometimes it's the most 1488 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,760 effective thing to use in the place that you're at. 1489 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,200 Yeah. And maybe it looks a little 1490 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,000 silly, like I wear like a like a blue T-shirt at the time top, 1491 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,320 some multicam pants when I go out because they're the most 1492 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,400 comfortable pants to go shoot in. 1493 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,320 And that's just what I have. They're my shooting pants, like. 1494 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,800 I love wearing Multicam. It's a great camo pattern. 1495 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,280 I know if they call it fed camo, but you know what, it's a, it's 1496 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,720 a good, it's effective so. You know what the the Fed 1497 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,760 shouldn't even be using that. the Fed should be wearing like 1498 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,720 day glow orange. So we know who they are. 1499 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,440 And I will. My buddies and I actually put 1500 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,400 together a white paper for SWAT saying that if you are a federal 1501 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,160 law enforcement agency that is doing an overt SWAT warrant and 1502 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,840 your infiltration is 50 yards across someone's front yard, why 1503 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,920 are you sneaking? If you sneak, if you sneak up to 1504 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,800 my house wearing Multicam, I'm going to shoot you. 1505 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:49,560 Yeah. Yeah. 1506 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,440 I don't know who you are. What the hell are you doing 1507 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,200 here? Like, you know, wear something 1508 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,040 that says that you're part of the law enforcement community. 1509 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,240 It should be day glow like the like the bobbies wear it in 1510 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,040 Britain or something. Yeah. 1511 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,200 Yeah, especially out where I live if if I get if my house got 1512 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,480 raided and I'm in out in the woods and some dudes creeping up 1513 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,240 into my house in the woods and camo, it's like probably going 1514 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,000 to shoot that dude like. Especially if he comes. 1515 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,760 Inside the house. Yeah, What what on earth are 1516 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,400 these guys thinking anyway? We put a white paper out. 1517 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,480 He didn't get any traction, but it was it was a safety 1518 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,080 mechanism. It's like and and but for 1519 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,080 hunting or hiking or doing other things like you want to go 1520 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,880 patrol your property, you should patrol whatever. 1521 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,160 I see you got some bino night vision over on the helmet, is 1522 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,440 that right? Yeah, right here. 1523 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,640 I've got one pair there. I've got another pair over here 1524 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,880 too. But yeah, yeah, I love, I love 1525 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,600 night vision. Like doing stuff at night is so 1526 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,120 fun like that. That's my jam. 1527 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,120 Yeah. That's one of the reasons I live 1528 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,440 up where I live is I can just go shoot on my property at night. 1529 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,000 You know, that's one of the problems is if you do have that 1530 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,960 stuff and you live someplace where there's not a lot of 1531 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,800 public land or something, I don't know where you go. 1532 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,640 You have to go get an indoor range where they'll shut the 1533 01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,840 lights off for you or something. But yeah, I, I shoot under odds 1534 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,880 all the time. It's really fun. 1535 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,640 What about thermal? You do thermal. 1536 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,400 I have a handheld thermal. If I do up my equipment game, I 1537 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,920 would love to get a clip on thermal that I could run in 1538 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,600 front of a scope that would that. 1539 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,040 That's kind of the next thing. But yeah, I do have a handheld 1540 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,200 thermal. It's OK, I need, I need to have 1541 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,120 my game there. Yeah, once you put it on top of 1542 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,160 a rifle, it changes the game. As a guy who used to, I actually 1543 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,280 bought one of the most expensive thermals for no reason other 1544 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,120 than because I have agency and I can do that. 1545 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,600 That's great. I chose to. 1546 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,960 And then God put somebody in my path that said, hey, this is Ray 1547 01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,680 and he has a problem with coyotes that are eating his 1548 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,680 calves. And so I'll tell you a funny 1549 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,640 story that I don't think my listenings have heard, but I'm 1550 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,479 an FBI agent out in New Mexico, right? 1551 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,800 And my neighbor who was a government employee and former 1552 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,080 military guy comes down and goes, hey, do you want to go 1553 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:42,319 down the road to this farm and or this ranch and shoot coyotes 1554 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,479 with me? And I said, yeah, like, 1555 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,279 obviously the answer is obviously yes. 1556 01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,200 Like. And he goes, OK, cool. 1557 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,200 I told him I might bring you along. 1558 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,080 And I was like, do you need me to bring anything? 1559 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,399 And he was like, no, I'm going to bring my 3030. 1560 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,600 It was a lever action 33rd. I was like, that's a bold move. 1561 01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,760 What are you picking me up? He's like, I'll pick you up at 1562 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,560 3:45 AM in the pitch dark in like New Mexico is famously dark 1563 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,399 because we don't have a lot of probably about like where you 1564 01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,920 are like really good, you know, skies very little on the light 1565 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,640 blue ship. So he picks me up at 3:45 with a 1566 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,399 lever action rifle in the back of his car. 1567 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,160 And I showed up with like a backpack. 1568 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,160 It was a rock that had two AR fifteens that were suppressed. 1569 01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:21,960 One of them had a thermal scope on it that I had bought. 1570 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,920 I had no reason to use it, but I zeroed it properly. 1571 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,640 And the other one had a like APBS 14 clip on the back in 1572 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,760 front of a red dot or behind red dot. 1573 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,200 And so I bring these things and two Tri pods, you know, like I'm 1574 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,720 ready to go. And so we get up there, we go to 1575 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,040 this guy's ranch. We climb up on top of his pole 1576 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,319 barn, which is maybe 24 feet up in the air, and we're quietly 1577 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,520 walking across this thing. We get set up and they threw 1578 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,319 down a blanket so we had something to kind of keep it 1579 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,120 quiet. And it was cold as hell and 1580 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,960 everything. And I set up my tripod and I 1581 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,479 turn on my thermal and I look and there's like a dozen coyotes 1582 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,439 that are running around through this 25 acre space. 1583 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,760 And they're close. They're anywhere from 50 to 200 1584 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,360 yards. And they're zipping in and 1585 01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,720 they're yipping at the heels silently of all the calves. 1586 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,720 They were just harassing these calves until they fell over the 1587 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,840 dead, right? Yeah, they're nasty. 1588 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,040 They are. And you know, they're dogs. 1589 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,040 And so you kind of feel that because they're cool animals, 1590 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,320 like they're obviously a beautiful creation, but you 1591 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,480 know, they're harassing my buddies now, my friends 1592 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,920 livestock. And so I look over at the other 1593 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,080 guys who were sitting there in the dark. 1594 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,200 One guy had a bolt action like 65 Creed more with a regular 1595 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,280 traditional scope. The other guy had a like an like 1596 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,600 an EO tag on top of an AR with like a white light. 1597 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,360 No, they can't see anything. My other buddies got the lever 1598 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,560 action with nothing on it, no scope, just irons. 1599 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,520 And I'm sitting there and I go, I do you want me to start 1600 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,640 shooting these things? And they go, what things? 1601 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,760 I was like, there's a whole bunch of coyotes out there. 1602 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,960 And the guy looks at me, he goes shoot them all. 1603 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,400 And I go, all right. And so I just start unloading on 1604 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,600 these 3/4. It sounds like World War three. 1605 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,600 I'm just drop it everywhere. I'm like, I hit four or five of 1606 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:46,880 them and ran them all off, whatever. 1607 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,320 And he's like, you can come back to my property anytime. 1608 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,000 That's great. Who knew? 1609 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,320 You know? But yeah, thermal changes the 1610 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,160 game once you can start seeing like, you're the predator in the 1611 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,240 darkness. Yeah, I did a I did. 1612 01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,120 A thermal. I did a thermal hog hunt down in 1613 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,640 Texas and it was super fun. Like kind of kind of the same 1614 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:02,720 deal it was. It was great. 1615 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,520 It feels like cheating a little bit, yeah, but like against 1616 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,720 animals that don't matter or need to be. 1617 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,000 Brewing out there, gotta get rid of them. 1618 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,160 All right. So you got some, you got some 1619 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,240 night vision behind you, you got the play carrier. 1620 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,400 Tell me about, are you working with the play carrier on a 1621 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,920 regular basis? Are you doing training on this 1622 01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,240 thing? Yeah, I like to wear it just 1623 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,080 because, especially as a civilian, I'm actually a big 1624 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,000 proponent of civilians practicing in kit. 1625 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,960 I know that sometimes military guys are like, you don't really 1626 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,480 need to do that. And those guys are the guys that 1627 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,600 have actually spent hours and hours and hours in their plate 1628 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,000 carrier. I'll take guys to the range and 1629 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,960 they're just, they put on their plate carrier that they wore in 1630 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,200 mom's basement or something like that, and they think it's all 1631 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,400 set up. And then they're just an 1632 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,480 absolute gong show at the range. It's like, well, you know, this 1633 01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:50,240 may have seemed like a good idea here in my gun room or in mom's 1634 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,080 basement or something like that. But, you know, you actually go 1635 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,840 to the gun range and you you work it and you realize your 1636 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,040 slings hanging up on this pouch that you thought was going to be 1637 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,280 great right there. Or, you know, you realize that 1638 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,520 your magazine orientation on your chest is actually 1639 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,840 backwards. You should have those the other 1640 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,400 way. Do you know? 1641 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,840 So I'm, I'm a huge proponent of civilians actually going to the 1642 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,560 range and training in their kit as much as they can because they 1643 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,600 haven't had the the reps with their kit. 1644 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,480 Like, like, you know, most military or even some law 1645 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,840 enforcement guys probably get. So I do, especially if I'm here 1646 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,640 in my property, I'll wear my plate here. 1647 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,440 It's also a nice way to like getting a workout in, you know, 1648 01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:25,080 walking around the mountains here in a plate carrier. 1649 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,680 That'll gas you pretty quick. And it's also an efficient way 1650 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,320 to carry ammo because one of my shooting ranges that I go to on 1651 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,800 my property is pretty far down. So just in terms of equipment 1652 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,760 management being out for a little bit longer and things 1653 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,280 like that, I like it. I love all that. 1654 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,760 I also like that you said some law enforcement guys know what 1655 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,320 they're doing, which is exactly correct. 1656 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,400 You're not wrong. It's like our little little jab. 1657 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,400 It's true, though. Just because people carry a gun 1658 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,960 for a living doesn't mean to know what they're doing with it. 1659 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,680 It turns out, as we've seen. Yeah, exactly. 1660 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,800 You've probably seen as much. All right. 1661 01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,800 I want to end with the thought of you mentioned and I I didn't 1662 01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,520 realize that you were pushing an influencer type thing prior to 1663 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,440 this going down, so this is fortuitous. 1664 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,600 What did you want to influence? And now that you have this 1665 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,600 audience of people that are listening to you and they're 1666 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,880 certainly more and more. And you know, I, I thought it 1667 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,000 was great. I found your feed and I was 1668 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,560 like, this guy gets it. He knows what's going on. 1669 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,800 What, what is it? What is the message that you 1670 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,120 want to influence to people and and how's it been received? 1671 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,640 So the the biggest thing I've been talking about, we talked 1672 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,440 about it today was just agency. And then I would go a little 1673 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:30,960 further and be like, especially as a Christian man exercising 1674 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,840 agency, I didn't get to pick up my brothers in Christ much on 1675 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,640 this podcast, but I, I do do that sometimes where it's like, 1676 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,480 Hey, those are the guys that can just do stuff like you, you guys 1677 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,520 like Christ died for you and you can, you're the guy who can just 1678 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,520 go do stuff now. Like even if you fall flat on 1679 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,640 your face, you're forgiven. So go get it. 1680 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,960 But yeah, that, that I would say Christian agency in particular 1681 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,800 is what I've been wanting to influence. 1682 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,800 And then also just that preparedness mindset. 1683 01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,760 And more specifically, under, under, under the umbrella of 1684 01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,600 agency, the preparedness mindset, you know, getting 1685 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,600 people to go buy guns and shoot guns and be prepared for 1686 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,920 whatever might come their way. Physical training as well. 1687 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,400 So, you know, go, go get in the gym, go lift weights. 1688 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,720 I want to inspire people to do that. 1689 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,960 So yeah, overarchingly, agency. More specifically, probably 1690 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,040 firearms and fitness. Do you see any conflict between 1691 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:28,040 firearms, the potential for physical violence that we talked 1692 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,520 about earlier and that that Christ centered mindset, do you 1693 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,000 see any sort of discrepancy there? 1694 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,240 How do you justify that for people? 1695 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,480 Yeah, I don't. Some people do. 1696 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,000 I mean, there's a whole big sect of Christianity that's just 1697 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,760 completely pacifist. I think that's borderline 1698 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,760 heresy. So you should, you know, you 1699 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,160 need to be able to take care of your family. 1700 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,920 And if that requires violence, you know, you, you have to be 1701 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,040 able to do that. And I think it's probably, it's 1702 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,120 sin if you don't. So yes, absolutely. 1703 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,560 I, I see, I see no contradiction. 1704 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,880 Some people will. That's probably a conversation 1705 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,360 for another day. But yeah, I'm not, I'm not a 1706 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,480 pacifist. I don't ascribe to that at all. 1707 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,480 I think that Christians need to be capable of violence when 1708 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,080 necessary. We do a panel discussion on 1709 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,080 that. I think that'd be fun. 1710 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,080 I got to find some people that don't think that way, so we can 1711 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,760 probably find them. They've got to be out there, 1712 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:17,640 Marty. Why? 1713 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,400 Last question is why Marty? How do you go from Earl to 1714 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,480 Marty? And what's the etymology of that 1715 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,320 one, That nickname? Yeah, no, that, that's a great 1716 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,280 question. So I am Earl Martin Combs, the 1717 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,880 5th. And so my grandfather passed 1718 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,080 away two years ago. He was the 3rd and then my dad's 1719 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,320 the 4th. He's still around. 1720 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,120 And then I've got my son and he's the 6th. 1721 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,840 So at one point there, there were four Earls, there were four 1722 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,920 of us wandering around. And so just to keep it all 1723 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,520 straight, all the Earls have had nicknames over the years and 1724 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,560 mine, I go by my middle name, Marty. 1725 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,160 So that that's how that's how you get that. 1726 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,080 I feel like that's less and less common, the family names like 1727 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,400 this being handed down and Earl's kind of an old old 1728 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,240 English American name. It is, Yep. 1729 01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,880 Do you know any? Do you have any contemporaries 1730 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,880 that are also Earls? I've met a few here and there, 1731 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,040 but they it seems like it's, it's a name that's kind of going 1732 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,680 out of style. So yeah, I've, I've been going 1733 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,760 by Earl a little bit more professionally and among my 1734 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,600 friends. But yeah, close friends and 1735 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,800 family, they also call me Marty. I love it. 1736 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,680 All right, that's great stuff. All right, Tell people where to 1737 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,120 follow you if they want to go ahead and and challenge 1738 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,440 themselves about agency, what your favorite platforms are and 1739 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:31,960 where you where you're out. Yeah, I'm mostly on Instagram. 1740 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,120 My Instagram handle is a little hard to member or remember. 1741 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,720 It's Veritas dei Vincey, which is a Latin phrase that means 1742 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,760 God's truth prevails. And it was the slogan of the 1743 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,240 Hussites, which were John Jan Huss was one of the first 1744 01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,920 reformers. He even predated Martin Luther. 1745 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,120 So I love that they I love their motto, God's truth prevails. 1746 01:16:54,120 --> 01:17:00,320 So again, that's Veritas under score they Instagram and then X 1747 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,080 is a lot easier. I'm on there if you want to if 1748 01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,720 you want to hear more about what I think in terms of politics or 1749 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,960 theology that I talk about that more on X and I'm just Marty 1750 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,920 Combs 5:00 on. X the number 5 from. 1751 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,960 Marty, Marty Combs 5 on X Yeah. Very good. 1752 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,840 All right, I will link both those in the show description. 1753 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,480 So folks, you can just Scroll down a little bit if you guys 1754 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,280 want to click through to either one of those profiles and 1755 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:21,640 follow. And I think you should and I 1756 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,360 think you will get a kick out of it because I know that I have. 1757 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,040 Marty, thank you for taking all this time out of your day to 1758 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:27,480 talk to. Me. 1759 01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:28,640 Hey, thank you. I appreciate it. 1760 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,680 It's been great talking with you. 1761 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,120 Yeah, brother, I enjoyed it. And that's the Sunday sit down. 1762 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,720 Thanks so much for listening, really appreciate it. 1763 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,720 Make sure you guys like us over on Rumble and on YouTube. 1764 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,240 Make sure you're following on Spotify. 1765 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,320 If you haven't thought about it already, if you haven't tried 1766 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,480 it, give it a shot. Why not kyleseraphinshow.com? 1767 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,760 Find me on locals. It's Kyle seraphin.com. 1768 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,840 You can get the show a day early if you guys are so inclined. 1769 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,840 There's always a good discussion that goes on over there. 1770 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,840 And then as I said, we're working for your love and your 1771 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:54,880 likes. Make sure you're liking the 1772 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,480 videos. Appreciate you guys doing that 1773 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,480 over on YouTube and on Rumble and on X. 1774 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:01,800 That's it. That's all there is today. 1775 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,880 I hope you have a fantastic day. I hope you go out there and do 1776 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,880 something, exercise that agency. Maybe you've been wondering, 1777 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,440 hey, should I do this thing? Maybe this was your answer. 1778 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,640 Sometimes God speaks to us in these little nudges throughout 1779 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:14,680 the world. God bless you. 1780 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:15,800 Look forward to seeing you through the week. 1781 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,920 Thank you for listening to the Kyle Seraphin Show, streamed 1782 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,400 live weekdays on rumble.com/kyle Seraphin. 1783 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,520 Follow Kyle on Twitter, True Social and Instagram at Kyle 1784 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:28,160 Seraphin.