Prepare to hear the truth from a real whistleblower.
An American Patriot, here's civil liberties enthusiastic.
Second Amendment Defender and indefinitely suspended.
FBI agent. Kyle serif.
Hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle Serafin show.
This is going to be our Monday, long-form interview and I have a
special first time double guest interview.
These two, I met when I was down in Phoenix at the project,
Veritas event, the American America Fest, I guess it's
called we got To spend some time together.
And their story is very compelling.
I think you're going to find it. Highly interesting, I'm going to
give a quick intro and then we'll bring them on the show
here. So I've got Tara Rodas, she's a
20-year civil servant with the federal service, which is a lot
further than I made it and it's probably as far as fed Phil and
I combined. She's been working in training
and professional development for a number of years and she has a
master's degree and education. Another one in biblical
theology, which I'm sure played into some of the ways that she
sees the world and the way she reacts she does.
And she also speaks Spanish, which Why she volunteered for
the story that you're going to hear here.
And just second, I've got errands Stevenson as well.
Who was a Marine Corps veteran. We bring a lot of Marines on.
I love marines that are my favorite people, eight years.
The United States Marine Corps, 10 years with the Department of
Homeland Security. We've talked about how Homeland
Security is such a big animal. He's going to tell you a little
bit about how he worked over there.
Worked with the Customs and Border Patrol CBP and USCIS.
He recently just was fired from his Force telework position,
which I totally represent. As a indefinitely suspended guy,
he got a little different term so every agency does it
differently when they kick you out the door, but we've got a
lot of common history there. So I'm gonna start with Terror
if you want to jump on here. Thanks so much for joining us.
Aaron. Thank you as well.
Let's, let's get into it. Like, tell me where you grew up
and how you got to be sitting here in this situation, as a
federal whistleblower. Okay, well, I actually grew up
in Georgia. So I was born at Fort Benning.
My dad was Army and then moved to Virginia.
So lived here, almost all my life, went to James Madison
University and actually, they are is where I had the
opportunity to intern for a congressman and a senator, and
sort of thought. Wow, I could make a difference
in the world and so I joined Federal service later a little
bit later after that and I volunteered, I'm sitting Here.
Only because I volunteered in 2021 when the B Administration
asks for help with the humanitarian crisis on the
border and that was one of help. Yeah, that was one of those
emails that went out like government-wide where they were
looking for anybody. Like literally anybody like, put
your hand up in the air and we will pick you for this TDY to go
help out with all the the influx of migrants correct.
Yes. Yeah.
So I thought this was a family reunification program and so I
raised my hand and I said you know I would love to go help the
kids and so that's how I am sitting here today.
I love it. Now I'm going to go back one
step because I think it's interesting people who don't
know anything about Virginia, don't realize you said James
Madison University, correct. All of the Virginia schools are
not called University of Virginia fill in the blank.
They're all named after founding fathers correct.
Yes. So, so the circuit is very
different, like, a lot of people would be like, oh, I went to
University of Texas at Austin. I went to University of Texas in
Dallas. I went to University of Texas in
El Paso, whatever it may be, and Virginia has decided for
whatever like I used to live next to George Mason.
And I was like, I don't know what that means.
They're all part of the Virginia school system and it's the only
state that ever seen that does that?
Yes, my sister graduated from George Mason.
Yeah, I had investigations into professors there.
No big deal. Oh, interesting.
They're Shady people at every school right now.
That's the Chinese for you though.
All right, so we're going to get into our the story and how you
guys worked together or how your stories relate to each other.
Aaron kind of give me the backstory.
I know you were in the Marine Corps, tell us what you did and
maybe where you grew up and why you joined the Marines, right
out of high school. Like, why are you such a genius?
So I am from Google Annoying, its small town, south suburbs of
Chicago. And I live there and also
knowing the Mobile County just, you know, quite the website.
And I joined the Marine Corps because I knew who I want to be
in the service, always, I was like, you know, the Army over
the Army. And then, you know, one day,
it's not somebody who's like your the Marine Corps and I know
ideas like no, no, what is that? So, next day called the
corridor, get that I went down there and we're kind of, go
through the cards, like, you know, what you want to join
brightest service adventure and I'm kind of like, I am Young.
Yeah, and then the gun he walks in and he just started yelling
at me. He's like you gonna be a marine
or what and I was like yeah my that that clicked in me that
I've no idea what it was, but it just it was something the why I
signed up I went to boot camp July of 2001.
Well then that years, I mean next nine years.
Basically it was just kind of its kind of all over the place.
Although kanawa I went to Iraq three times.
I was mental gai and know. I'd do it again.
Make the best friends in the world.
A lot of good. And that was that, but I joined
the fellow service because I wanted to, you know, continue
serving country. So, I try to become fed takes a
while so I contracted for a bit. And I did that with natural
ground, salt and center and the DIA, which I've gotta stand
three times, learn that - that whole program of Biometrics and
forensics, and then I finally got a job offer for DHS.
So, I took it went to DC area and it was do that for about,
you know, Kate half years. No.
Sorry, 10 years. Yeah, that years on now, for
those who are listening to our audio podcast, you have some
hair that is probably out of regs.
Would your recruiting gunny have lost his mind if you'd walked
into that Recruiters Office with that ponytail?
Yeah, definitely. I'm out, I was trying to I was
wearing like a polo and khakis like I was nervous like a job
interview, right? And I still wasn't like enough
her. I'm basically like if you want.
Yeah you want you need to be yelled at what I so I enlisted I
was 27 and I went in there and I talk to a recruiter and the
first thing I said he spoke to me in Broken English because he
was a little Filipino guy. Super nice.
Nice man. But he I asked him a question
and he said he looked at me like I had just, you know, giving him
the Rosetta Stone and he had no idea what to do with it.
And I said, I need to speak to someone who's smarter than you.
And he was like, yes. And then he went back and he
grabbed a master sergeant. And this little guy came out
this little Irish powerlifter whose last name was McCool.
And he was like, what do you need?
I was like you're my guy. So I ended up working with
whoever the top recruiter wasn't that little silly office but
yeah, you need a pie was I was old enough that I was like look.
Is the sale. You know, we're all selling
something and I'm not prepared for a dumb person to try to sell
me on the on the military service.
All right, so let's dig in to your disclosure, give me the
broad overview Terror, if you'll give me the broad overview of
your allegation. And then we're going to get into
the meat and potatoes of what those things look like.
Because I know you guys saw basically the same thing from
very, very different angles, right?
Yeah, yeah, we did. So again, when I answered the
call, the humanitarian call. I believed that this was a
family reunification program. I had no idea whatsoever that
one child had ever been trafficked through, hhs's
unaccompanied children program. So we call it the, you see
program. And so I, you know, when I
volunteered, I thought it was going to be just talking to kids
and helping them feel. Comfortable and safe after their
long journey and maybe doing English and playing games.
And I did that, you know, in the beginning and whatever they
needed I would do. So if they needed a child to go
to Medical, I would escort them there.
If they needed a child to go to their case manager, I would have
scored them there and when the call came out that they needed
help in case management. I any time, I raise my hand, I
said sure, I'll help with that. I had escorted the kids over
there before and it was just Hopefully I would say about 20
days working in case management when we discovered the first
instance of what I called, a suspicious sponsor.
And I learned after that case and then the next case, where
there were kids going to the same address from multiple sites
around the country, then I learned that sponsors sponsored
multiple kids and then I learned.
There's a thing called a category 3 sponsor with which
Means the child doesn't even know or not related to this
person. I thought, what in the world is
going on here but what really changed the tide was when I saw
Aaron's disclosure on Project Veritas that transnational,
criminal organizations were sponsoring these kids and that
it was coordinated and they were high level actors, criminal
actors and I discovered that and that was what ultimately got me
kicked off the site. So I volunteered to help.
Was disclosing that know people were trafficking the children
but when I said well not only are people and Bad actors
trafficking these kids, but they're high-level criminal
actors involved in transnational criminal organizations that was
it, and it took them less than three weeks to get me off.
The case, accused me of wrongdoing, with investigation,
I was actually walked off the site by security and my badge
was taken. One of the things you told me
when it's not, A fun experience? No, I'm sure.
One of the things you told me when we first met was that the
none of the people that were volunteered and in the role that
you were in were 1811 series, my old job code?
What Phil used to do the criminal investigators, who did
you say that they were filtering out?
People that volunteer that were criminal investigators?
So I was told by someone at HHS office of Inspector General,
that they were not allowed to volunteer for the mission.
So we're talking about people who have responsibility for
moving children. 22 homes and distributing them all around the
country with no law enforcement experience, our background check
team. I mean, these were just regular
people. They were contractors, some of
these were young kids. It was their first job they were
not actually performing background checks at all.
So this is stunning. It's stunning.
Yeah, the way the program is set up.
There was no Investigators there.
Yeah, it sounds like they designed it to to have minimal
oversight so this is kind of an interesting just an analogy.
I want you guys to put this in your heads but what I just found
out is that the January 6th investigations that are
happening out of Washington field office have been done
historically so far by people rotating in from the FBI out of
the field and you have, you know various degrees of experience
that are doing it. They're now moving 30 fresh
agents that are all on probation with no previous experience
because it's the government is looking to find.
Yes people It sounds like you ran into one of those things.
I want to Pivot over to Erin story because if that's what got
you moving Erin, you were working in a very different
space. You weren't dealing with the
kids directly, but you were dealing with the intelligence in
the research end of it. Kind of walk people through what
your job was and then why it was your job to see what you saw.
Austal USA is where I was working at.
We were writing my team. We would do like more.
We call this strategic analysis, looking at long-term trends
problems. Whatever is so we kind of have
like, you know, a bit of room to look at problems and say, like,
what's going on here now? Because of this though, I was
also when they constructed with the government, the whole
government constructed, the talk watch list or the transnational
organized crime. Watch list.
I held represent usas at DNS to like, see how it's being
developed. Left, how would interact with
our operations? Like what we would do with the
information. So from the very GetGo, I was on
the like program and I was, you know, obviously familiar with
it. Very intimate knew.
I worked everything else. And this is back in my probably
late 2015. Early 2016 is the one that seems
kicking off so fast forward 2.21 and I'm still getting every
single notification. So notification is When anybody
in the tokoloshe list. Like basically does something
give this one was just for one second, give some examples of
transnational. National organized crime
organizations, so people can get a concept of what we say.
Talk what that means and like what are these groups?
So these are the easiest ones to understand, at least for us
because we talk about some options like MS-13 18th Street
gang, Pious cartel. These organizations.
There are obviously more. There are involved in organized
crime group. You have South American theft
groups, give other Eastern European crime entities.
So basically organizations International that you crime
across our border. That's when I see transnational,
criminal and disorder, okay? And so, for people's historical
context of a yeah, I'm going to get people kind of historical
context if you go back far. Far, enough you deal with
things, like the mafia, La Cosa Nostra, things like that and
then more modern. Now, we're seeing the things
that are closer to us which is cartel and or gangs from Latin
America or Central America that are kind of bringing things out.
So, all right, so carry on, I just want people to have a
concept of these groups that were talking about.
We're not talking about unorganized or individual 1, Z 2
Z's, these are like professional organizations that have serious
infrastructure and capabilities and they are moving across
National borders as well. Whenever like somebody with an
alien that watch list or a criminal not watch list, they
get triggered by a number of ways.
If they were pulled over by police officer, if they were,
you know, enter through a Port of Entry or if they were to sit
with USDA is and do an immigration benefit, we would
see those may come in basically live feed and one day I begin
these things in 2016. So I've seen the pattern, I see
how it develops. I have allowed dog because you
hear that, and In 2021. It was the thing was February.
I saw one to come in and I didn't recognize what it didn't
stay. Like to know law enforcement
account. I didn't say prison isn't
arrest, your prisoner release, they said, six USC, 279, USC
sponsor. I was like, what is that?
So I copy paste. It looked up Google.
And it says this, you know, this program in like was I mean, is
this guy kid knows the date of birth?
No it's got like 23 years. My dad was like.
That makes no sense. So, okay, whatever.
So about three, four weeks, Another one, another guy, this
is weird. So I put it in the sand.
You know, my entire search history of all notifications
we've ever had and those are the only two so it was like a whole
new thing. I was like this is kind of
strange that and then for a newer there's a third one and
then it starts. I start seeing one about every
three to four weeks once coming in.
So I've course are looking into these guys.
I'm like, I well made maybe these are criminals that are
going to the government to maybe find a child.
That doesn't make sense, but I'll look it up didn't have
kids, okay? Maybe there's extended family,
maybe there's some kind of record showing that know, the
guy. Well, this is make sense at all.
Then we saw a Romanian guy coming in.
So I know it's not just like, you know, cartels and Southern
stuff. It's like, no, no, this isn't a
national thing. And this work is hard to, or
inside this work is Port understand.
This watch list was capped at 40,000, that's a very, very
small number about every month. The illegal entries are about
almost a quarter million. So sorry, it's knows about me
about a quarter million is a much bigger volume of people.
Cross that are criminals that are just not watching stood
because the way this is constructed and I just looking
at him like this is the bigger problem than you realize.
So I looked around and I, you know, talk some analysts I, you
know, to friends and see is to talk to friends and CBT and Ice,
you know. Hey, are you guys writing on
this? So you guys collecting on this.
Like there's got to be something in this thing, right?
And no one had any thing I'm going to do a Jay and I knew got
FBI and I had people out my, hey, guys, what's going on?
And no one had anything written on this thing and then the
collection, Firemen got released by dangerous Ina.
That's intelligence analysis. It's the component of the total
Community from DHS and the entire function primer is on
there, an organized gang, activity, and sex trafficking
start tracking as a whole. As I mentioned, I was just like,
okay, so I so, of course, no one's writing on this.
No one's looking at this thing. No one's collecting the
information to the little, you know, do some analysis, develop
some whatever. And then like mystery products
to be fair, is that, that would be me like, That wouldn't
surprise people if it's a new and emerging threat, that there
wouldn't be a big, you know, database on it, that there
wouldn't be a lot of intelligence that had already
been gathered, correct? I mean, that's, that's how we
start things, Somebody's gotta identify pack.
Yes, but if it's new activity, you definitely have a problem
is, it's mentioned in always in every single on the counter when
it talks about these gang. Yeah, MS-13 involved in sex
trafficking casing strings. Are they are involved in sex
trafficking so we know these groups do these things.
But it's like, okay, now we're seeing it through a new
mechanism. So why are they using this
mechanism done and no? Nothing at all, you know, tried
talking about it to work. Try, bring things up and it was
just like, no, this is not, this is not as sorry as a guy, fine.
So, then, you know, No, every child project House show, what's
going on and then they were like, yeah, this looks pretty
bad. Okay, knows that.
Now, when you were, you do you guys get whistleblower training?
The way that the FBI does, as far as like how to do it, what
you what you're supposed to do are you know the approved routes
and so on and and if so what does it look like on your end?
Because I've gotten those trainings for years but I don't
know, everyone does. They're okay.
So yeah, I mean we have the standard whistleblower training.
You know, make sure that you go through protected Pathways stuff
like that, but when you're actually really in the middle of
it and you've never done that before and having no 1811
background experienced, it was challenging.
I'm just very fortunate that I had come from the IG Community,
right? So I was reaching out to people
who were Helping me, you know, they helped me out along the way
and got me through, you know, to the right to the right people to
talk to. So yeah, it's funny because a
lot of I think a lot of people who work in the federal
government know that there is a thing.
It's just a nebulous concept and there's no it's not like the
mechanics of it are ever discussed.
So there's a lot of people that are actually legally considered
to be whistleblowers if they bring it up inside their chain
of command, like this is a problem that they are
whistleblowers like that's that's part of the the
appropriate. Chain as described by federal
law and yet, none of that stuff is ever a distributed to you.
Unless they come after you would retaliate and fire you or do the
other things they end up doing. So most people have no clue.
They are, in fact, whistleblowers in Aaron, when we
talk the other night you would have qualified under all the
things that you talked about, bringing it up to your your
management structure. And the only thing that we keep
finding out is that government agencies tend to protect
themselves and their own reputations because that's where
their budgets are tied. They don't really care about
problems. They care about not problems,
they care about not my problem. More than anything else, which I
think you both experienced. Yeah II thought about going to
know IG just like I knew they existed much like an me by the
throat, you know, Spirit the wall, they'll know what to do
and I also know that is government since like a long
time there and then in the end they're going to tell me what I
told them and nothing's going to happen in the meantime.
This is this is where really kind of bizarre part on you
children are being such Rapids. Now just like you know what I
just it is this is crossing a line guys and that was that was
enough for me. Yeah.
There is something about the immediacy that if you go into
the government channels, it, you know, for example, the
weaponization committee which is being impaneled right now under
the current Congress, they've said that they're going to get a
report on what the FBI has been doing wrong in 2025.
Meanwhile my family has been without a job for like a year
and as you probably guys know what once you've been kicked out
of there, you know. Thanks for looking into it for
two years but we're talking about hundreds, maybe thousands
and maybe worse children being exploited.
That's not an acceptable answer, which is why People like us and
up going public with things when maybe that's not the approved
Channel but Humanity sort of dictates that we do it the right
way. So Tara you heard about the
project, Veritas release that Erin was involved in.
Did that did that make you aware of what you were seeing or did
it? Confirm or how did that move?
You spur you into action? So it made me aware.
So I think I would say, I went through the stages of grief
about 20 times, you know, while I was there.
So, first he is seeing the suspicious sponsor activity
seeing these red flags being like, why are multiple kids
going to the same address? Why are there like a few square
miles in Houston Texas where there's over 300 unaccompanied
children? What?
What's up with that? Is it that we have people who
are sponsoring multiple children, I mean, how is this
happening? And so someone then sent me the
Senate report all the way back from 2016 and I was just beyond
horrified to know that there were trafficking rings in in the
United States that were trafficking these kids.
And that was not new. New Goes to the federal
government and it was not news to HHS and so I was stunned at.
That's all I can say just absolutely horrified.
And then as I read through, the Senate report realizing that all
the deficiencies that the committee found then are worse
now because all of their rules have been relaxed.
So HHS put out field guidance stating that well we want to try
to fast-track things so you don't Have to ask or do
background checks on who may be living in the house.
You don't actually have to do home studies.
There's all these rules that they relaxed, and I think people
don't understand that hundreds of thousands of children have
crossed the border and come into the care of the federal
government and the federal government with tax dollars, 10
billion. It's a matter of fact in the
last two years has loaned, those children all around the country.
Entry and these children HHS says our missing and so this
this just doesn't make any sense.
So I was just horrified. So when I saw the video that
Aaron put up on Project Veritas well that James O'Keefe right?
Put up on Project. Veritas I thought if this is
happening then my whole world view has just you know exploded
it opened your eyes to what was actually happening there.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so it only took less than two weeks after seeing Aaron's
video and I'd circulated around, you know, the site that we
found. Yeah, we found the first case
and it was confirmed without a doubt.
She's self disclosed she sent in her adjudication, paperwork 24
pages, she had served time in El Salvador for her role in the
gang and was simultaneously sponsoring two kids one from
Fort Bliss and one from one From our site.
And it was just stunning to me stunning to me, and I still
can't get over it. That people know about it that
they've known about it for years and last week, you know, you
probably saw that. 100, migrant children with no less than 100
were found working in slaughterhouses throughout the
United States. Some middle schoolers and people
wonder how this is happening, you know, we keep seeing these
bust. Child trafficking, labor
trafficking, and sex trafficking and people like how is this
happening? I'm like well your federal
dollars at work 10 billion dollars in two years to bring
these children in and distribute them around the country to a lot
of serious, Bad actors. Now when you when you understood
what was going on there, just and I'll come right to you.
But Tara did how was that received when you were sharing
that video around when you're showing?
What Aaron has disclosed from the intelligence side of things,
these are the hard documents saying, look, we're now tracking
the not the child's side of it, but the receiving side of the
children, what did people at DHS?
Are at at these facilities say rather HHS So remember, these
are federal volunteers like me, right?
No law enforcement background people in the community, they're
in Pomona, California, because I was at the Pomona Fairplex,
emergency intake sight. I'm not ashamed to say, we cried
a lot of Tears. Okay, so, a lot of times, I felt
like a therapist to people because of the situations that
they were seeing and finding out about what was happening with
the kids. So it was a very sad sobering
moment. Moment to realize these These
are children and they are in crisis situations and what, you
know, what could we, what could we do?
So, we were passing everything forward, we learned how to pass
things through to office of trafficking in persons like, to
shout out to some great people who from USCIS who helped us
get, you know, trained up on. Hey, how do you, how do you
identify this? How do you write it up there?
Specific things you need to include You know, to ensure that
it's trafficking and not just smuggling.
So there has to be Force, fraud or coercion and so we had to
make sure that when we were doing the interviews, we were
finding out those things to put in the reports.
So that, these kids could hopefully go to long-term care
and not to trafficker. Okay?
Erin, you were going to say So two things I'll feel.
So those encounters that guy that I share with Veritas, which
is the intelligence part, which helped you kind of drive out
things. Those invitations, don't go any
of them to a chest and I checked in every single one of those.
My can every single two lines, it was everything that was on
there. I'm looking at every domain, not
one was a chest. The other part was because Terry
Roberts did someone, I was asked this question.
Those hundred kids that got you know thankfully you know rescued
from the trafficking operation. Kyle.
Do you know what happens to those kids?
They get put back in the system. I imagine the right back into it
and then HHS once we bring them back into care, HHS then looks
for a new sponsor and that and that sponsor may be the exact
same thing. They just got rescued from Now
the good thing is though, is that all Terry you did it?
Stay that there was at least one kid.
You guys found that like oh yeah this is trafficking and they did
get that. What's up letter?
They didn't get pulled out of a sponsor.
Right? Yeah and that's why I said yeah.
There were several children who actually did get what's called a
interim assistance letter, meaning that office of traffic
trafficking in persons, Also suspected that this is, this
child has been a victim of trafficking.
And then those children went to long-term care, which is a
wonderful outcome for the children and why is nobody going
after the sponsor, who was attempting to get them, right?
So like we know right now, they're our sponsors who the
children we believe are being traffic.
But why isn't anyone going after any of the sponsor CHS doesn't
Want anyone looking into the background of their sponsors?
And this is, this is the problem, this is the problem.
There's lack of transparency and HHS has lost control of the
program. That's the bottom line, they
lost control and they don't want to admit it and that's if they
would just come clean, share the data.
Then we could, we could recover these kids and they know that.
Yeah, they would have to do something that government
agencies don't do, which is admit wrongdoing, or a failure
of a program and then say, how do we take steps to fix this?
It's much easier to try and ignore it.
And act like it didn't happen. That seems like the standard
government move. I think we've all experienced it
in different departments so it is there a law enforcement
capability within HHS that would actually have responsibility?
Or would that fall back on FBI you know CBP some entity and DHS
HSI, something like that. Where would this fall?
If there was a law enforcement action to be taken?
I don't know. Who knows either of you.
Yeah. So I'll start and then I'll let
Aaron follow-up. So HHS office of Inspector,
General, I mean they have great agents who would be all over
this if they had access to the information they wouldn't go
after the kids per se. I mean they wouldn't be going
after the traffickers. Yes, they could easily be going
after the traffickers. Okay, they could.
And they do kick endorse and and recover children, they do that
as well. Okay, there are some amazing
people in the office of Inspector General for HHS.
The problem is the agency, does not want anyone looking at their
sponsors and I'm not quite sure how they get around this, how
they're able to Have such lack of oversight and transparency.
So many of the sponsors are not US citizens and they are not
permanent residents. Most have no legal presence.
So they are they claim, you know, they don't want anyone
going after the sponsors hence they just hide it all the data.
Whoa, okay, so they're not lprs there, they're not green card
holders, they have no legal status in this country and yet
we're more than happy to go send children to go be with them.
And and then you're saying and they're obviously not citizens
either. So these people are illegally in
this country, taking children who have come across probably in
some illegal situation. They were not coming across
illegally otherwise they would have a family or a landing pad
and we were literally feeding this dirty with undocumented who
knows where the heck they're going children.
So okay, I'm going to, I'm going to pick something off you guys
because this is something I saw when we worked MS-13 type
operations in where we at in Maryland for the most part.
Let's say so you talked about a few square miles of where you
were seeing all the trafficking happen, what we would see is
they were enclaves of take your, take your pick, whether they
were from El Salvador, Guatemala or whatever, their enclaves of
illegal immigrants in And or if they're in Washington DC or
whatever these little kind of areas that they would all kind
of take over, and a lot of those were.
No go zones for most law enforcement especially locally
without big resources because they could be incredibly
violent. They have you know, Lookouts
they had kids that were working on their behalf, you know, they
were doing things running it, like a compound.
And the way that I always argued for people that are very leftist
leaning or very Progressive, or liberal, whatever you want to
call it, they would say we were trying to let people come to
this country to have opportunity.
But in reality, what we saw was that people would get Over the
Border. They would come into these
little enclaves and then they were victims.
Let's say, it was only one in a hundred was a predator.
Part of the, you know, criminal gang that the, the transnational
organized crime groups, those people now have a captive victim
population with no access to law enforcement.
No language skills, no understanding of what
protections they may be entitled to, and they can be trafficked,
they can be exploited, we saw a bunch of extortion, where
somebody would open up a small business, which was illegal,
they would have like a, like a, like a little kiosk out of their
minivan. They drive around a Costco and
buy beer and And stuff like that.
Then they go sell and all their neighbors.
And then the drug traffickers or the MS-13 members would come and
say, you owe me, 20 bucks a week or we're going to kill your
husband. And once a year, they would kill
somebody husband. Just let him know they were
serious because they were plenty of people always coming in.
So, they had this captive victim population and were trafficking
children on a federal dollars. You said, ten billion dollars
over two years. We are sending children into
these these hellhole. So, they're leaving a hell hole
somewhere, trying to find a better life, which we can all
empathize with even if it's not legal, and then they end up in,
exactly. Zaki the same situation may be
worse because there's no possibility of escaping out of
it. This is where they thought they
were getting free. And now they're in it, being
either sex trafficked or traffic for labor and my more or less
accurately stating that that's written that was spot on.
That's gross on every level. And this should be a, this
should be a nonpartisan issue. And I don't, we've never talked
about either ways that you guys vote.
And I didn't doesn't really matter to me, honestly, because
this is about human beings that are finding themselves.
They are looking for an opportunity which I said, I'm
not real crazy about people doing it the wrong way and yet,
nobody should be okay with it. Because all it's doing is moving
people from One victim situation to potentially a worst victim
situation because they actually had high hopes that they were
coming out of something terrible, and they don't have
any family. They don't have whatever Network
or connections or anything they know about or even common
language. When you go into these places
the minute you get out of these little these little enclaves,
you're in Houston, Texas, or you're in Casa de Maryland then
suddenly you're just in like the outskirts of Baltimore, the
outskirts of DC, not everybody speaks Spanish.
So their screw they have nowhere to run like they're isolated in
these little compounds and they can't escape.
Yeah, yeah. And Kyle something that I a lot
of people don't know and I was shocked to find out is a
majority of the children. Are coming in from Guatemala.
Okay, a lot of the children speak a Mayan dialect.
Now, I'm a fluent Spanish speaker.
I've sat in, to listen, right with the interpreters.
These Mayan dialects, like, catch a mom, other things, they
sound more like Arabic, then they do Spanish.
I mean, it's to the point where I could not even understand one
word. So, sometimes our our little
ones who were coming in from Guatemala, they couldn't speak
Spanish with the other kids. So, think about it, you've got a
child who you brought in here? Who is they bring them because
they can victimize them. They can't ask for help in
English. Neither, can they ask for help
in Spanish? They are completely vulnerable
and it is absolutely unconscionable unconscionable.
Now, someone in d.c. is looking at a spreadsheet, right?
That's got all the, a numbers, you know, the alien numbers of
the children, I'm looking into the faces of these little kids,
right? It is the most horrifying.
I, I cannot, I could never express in words, just how
horrifying it is to know that. That these children are being
victimized and there's no one to help them and we need to do
better as the federal government period end of story.
This is just, it's just unacceptable.
Well, it's also one of those things where like are in your
that your the Intel side of this likes you you're seeing data but
you can translate data into real you know your Marine Corps
experience lets you see information and translate it
into downrange. What's happening Tara's actually
seeing the physical people, right?
So your end of it, what were you seeing?
Well you know, You're what were you Translating that to and what
did you see as being like the operational and that was that
was being done on on DHS side? Mom not just to answer that back
at first nothing was being done by my side as far as what you
can see though and the pattern was immediate right away.
First off the duration, you're seeing like in kind of assistant
pattern, but it only started again in February 20 21 or five
years prior to this, not one of these cases.
So there was an indicator of like, okay, this is an activity,
which they're trying to obviously exploit for whatever
reasons to is. There's also there was a pattern
of their immigration status a they're all legal, but being the
They also were all trying to use the pets of Asylum.
And this is the mechanism that they use being screened by
credible, fear reasonable fear, which can keep you in the
country. And it's like, okay, well then
I'll go see an immigration judge.
Then I'll get my Asylum claim or not and that that can take up to
like three, four, five years. So that's our ticket to go to
stay in the country to conduct this activity.
But the fact that this is also happening across through three
different groups across four different countries.
This is a remaining Groove from Romania.
This was 18. Street gang and MS-13 from
Honduras. El Salvador Mexico.
So it's like okay this is a much missed a much broader thing
going on. This is maybe a who knows what?
But it's like, let's look into this.
A lot of questions we can ask. We can collect certain things
and, you know, kind of a narrow this thing down a little bit.
And it was a no How do you attribute, the, the date that
you just mentioned, February the month of February, and 2021.
And then also the fact that there was this tie-in between
multiple transnational, organized crime groups, you
know, are they comparing notes and why?
Then why do you think oh definitely.
We know that compared notes first off, when you talk to the
aliens for the, for the adults for the male's, for the biscuit,
the gang members, they have the same sort of civil time right
now. The common Trent, and I talked
to some officers become a truck, then I was like, oh yeah,
everyone's saying that they're gay, and then that's their claim
for persecution in their home country.
So, apparently, just now is, now is the way of all schedule
coming up. But like, for example, when they
in there, anybody saw the Mobsters by policy by law, they
are required to get a transcript of their interview.
So now, they have every single question and a complete line of
questioning of what to do when they're confronted by some
officers. That's why everyone's story.
It's like it doesn't just change over time.
It's like you see an immediate like okay.
He's the new story. Okay, here's the new you, it's
so obvious. Asylum officers know that
talking as well. There is obvious fraud going on
and I'm dig, they level, we just don't care.
They want the people coming in. It doesn't matter to them.
And what do you think? The significance of February 21?
I have a an instinct but I'm curious what your games and
ministration that she went from Trump to Biden straight up.
Also, by the way, this is another thing to talking about,
you know, the contractors that work for HHS that do all the
case management, you know, as Tara said, like, there's a lot
of policy that goes into place. So, it is kind of complex can
get very, very confusing. Especially this is not like your
job, you just contractor, kind of coming in working for six
months, then leaving a job, right?
Right? There are in February 20 21 and
then a thing in March, 20 21, they made two notifications of
real changing of how to collect information and how to use that
information for case managers and I'm not kidding there.
I'll send these links to you because they look rather
Insidious to me, looking at it. Now by talking about removing
the safety plan section, talking about reducing the number of
questions, you asked to the child of how they feel for their
safety down. To one question of, do you have
any concerns like these are things?
Writing put in place at HHS, one of these things came out the day
after Biden, was inaugurated, HHS mix of notice to change the
rules. It's like okay Britain is a
really but also then according to Administration, there was no
emergency. So why are they making this big
change? All the sudden we knew and the
tellin slide we knew there was a border run coming because we
already saw the reporting back. Remember the earliest one being
about January? I think 8th 9th.
May, the 10th that big rooms are coming up cbp's, published in
these things or unclassified. It doesn't, you know it.
It reaches everybody and is saying there are major groups
forming right now and they are in route, then they were coming
over because their economy is suffering past year, these
people are hurting financially, so you're going to see a big big
push of people that just want to click them.
And so now, see POC DP. What are short?
They can't process these cases with efficiency anymore.
It's just. All right.
Get them through and get in there and see a notice to
appear. That's all it is.
Also the other part too, is that so much this was fueled by
social media and Twitter Facebook WhatsApp.
And yet, why were there no Tech answers from Twitter Facebook.
Because we know that they were pushing out, you know, vaccine
Corrections and covid Corrections and, you know,
election corrections. But no apparently you can form
Caravans in which they were saying like, yeah, go up there.
You get a silent. No problem.
It's like, well, that's not true and you guys know that's not
true. But where is the government?
You know? Yeah.
Where's the misinformation correction there, right?
Let me, let me ask you a question that I've seen a bunch
and I've never had a great answer for but I'm guessing you
have more visibility to it. The question always comes up
when they talk about these Caravans and I recall those
notices, by the way, of them forming in fact wearing things
like, you know, Biden let us in with their logo from The
Campaign, which was very suspicious, like, okay who is
paying for, who is running these operations of massive Caravan
formation. And, and it is it a single group
of people or is this like like, you know, like just a movement
that is organically forming. Do you have an instinct on that?
Organic not unless they cancel, it comes to the cartels.
So now, I'm not saying this is represent a group that was a
million. Sure.
But now this is operated by the cartels because they have to go
through cartel country and then that means I gotta pee and so
they could be cloudy groups that don't work for cartels but they
know. Okay, this is your highway.
I got to pay it here ago, cool. So no, yeah, this is, this is
still around crime. From that part alone.
They are The Gatekeepers to this process.
So, even if the cartels are not the ones, organizing it, they
are still the ones that are facilitating it.
Because They're the pass-through and they're going to, you know,
Aggregate and then move these these units through is your sort
of your contention at least from what you've seen and and yep.
And every head is a cost share when every cost and if it does
kind of range shooter, some people say it's like you know as
little as 1,400 I've seen it between eight and ten thousand
dollars per head, that's a lot of money when you go over time
and so the accurate number as far as border.
Crossings it's not with ministration, you know, says it
is of about like two and a half, whatever it is a year the closer
number of for all Are people coming over.
So this is people, you know, actually encountered people who
were not encountered, they can see him getting away.
People that were picked up on video and then other people
there, they're not put them on video because the algorithm
couldn't read them. You had all those things
together. Border patrol knows this.
It's about give or take 5 5 and a half million a year.
That's that Maggie. This is a big-money a, yes, yes,
it's a huge money effort. And Kyle I will say the case
that got me thrown off the Pomona intake site.
Involved, 24 children who came across as a group from El
Salvador with a female coyote. And a lot of the kids were going
to Ohio but then others were being distributed around the
country. And we know that they had this.
This gang affiliation. We know this because the kids
had said so and so the fact that that's what got kicked me off
the Off the site. I'm like, That's pretty drastic
to take a federal volunteer who's putting forth serious
allegations regarding the safety of children that as soon as this
whole MS-13 case, came up that just was that was just too much
for them to deal with. Because I said, hey look, this
involves 20. This is like 24 kids and so
what's happening here? And that was yeah.
That's not something they wanted people to to know about, it
makes sense and they are one thing please.
And there were you the only one who removes from Pomona?
Yep. Yep.
And it put a large chilling effect.
Yeah, on people I talked to somebody last night who worked
in background and she she said Tara we just we didn't even know
what to do when they walked you off the side.
I mean they did it midday yolk a big spectacle and they said, you
know, we felt so we just felt so alone.
Yeah. I was the only one who was who
was walked off the site. I want to get into that story
because walk, but yeah, I want to get to that story.
I think that I think that is one of the really important things
that people understand which they don't, you get a lot of
this. Why aren't more people speaking
out? Like, what's gonna, you know,
how we're all the brave people? And the answer is it's
complicated and I try to explain that in a way.
I'm going to tell you my quick story.
I on April 18th, what in I had a conversation with my former
boss. You know, I'd already knew that
I was a Marked Man within the FBI and that was fine.
And then I had a, my S CC, the special agent in charge from
Albuquerque drive, three and a half hours with his Lieutenant,
who's called a assistant special agent in charge the two of them
showed up with no. Notice at my office didn't even
tell my boss, that they were coming rolled in pulled me into
a conference room. And then took my badge, my gun,
you know, my authorities, all the other things, my
credentials, all these kind of deals.
And then, you know, walked me over to my desk, to collect my
personal items and marched me out the door as you guys say.
Like it's a chilling effect. Everybody gets to see it.
It was at 11:00. When they showed up, it was
about noon by the time I walked out everybody's in the Office,
nobody missed the day and they drove me home and my own work
vehicle and, you know, kicked me out of my own work vehicle,
which they took away with them. And then ask me for some
additional magazines for my, for my handgun, which was funny
because I pulled down a bear in a bin, I have a lot of guns and
or what people think are a lot of guns that.
So I pulled down this bin and I probably had like 100 plus
magazines in there and I was like looking for their as I was
like, I don't know where yours are in here but I pull them out
and like here you go, you can take these two and get out of my
get off my property. My wife was so disgusted by what
would happen? She put my body armor out on the
Mailbox. So they didn't come on the
property and while she was inside it fell over, my wife is
a champ, it fell over, it was like sitting in the road I lived
out in the middle of nowhere so didn't matter but like it was
sitting in the middle of the road when they drove up she says
FBI body armor laying there. But the whole point like you
mentioned is that chilling effect.
That letting everybody see that they're making an example, like
this is what happens. And you know they They're
they're making a very strong message sent with one Exemplar
and then everybody else gets the message.
Very clearly. So walk me through what that day
was because I'm sure you have a vivid memory of it.
You know what, it was your normal morning.
And when did this kickoff and, and you know what, were the face
of your colleagues, as you left out, I give me the whole story
here. Yeah, so so picture this, I mean
it's a huge Ballroom that were working in so it's a huge
Ballroom, it's open. So there are tables and case
managers. On one side and then the
children come in and sit on the other side.
So it was just rows of tables and a completely open space.
So yeah. So on this day, the federal
field specialist, he actually saw me in the hallway and said,
hey, can I talk to you? And I'm and he's with his
security person but I, you know, I don't think anything about it.
He was always asking me about the, the high-level cases
because I was mainly working trafficking.
I mean he actually called me CSI.
And I told him I said you know I appreciate that I think that's
awesome. I said but you do understand I'm
not an investigator and we do need investigators here so it
would be great if we could get some FBI people or Homeland
Security investigations are hhs-oig.
I was always saying we need real investigators here.
So anyway so he stopped me as normal.
Hey can I talk to you? I'm like sure.
Yeah he says well let me see if a conference room is open and it
wasn't. So we went outside and sat on
the bench and he said Tara, he said I But to say that you are
being accused of a violation of the code of conduct, and I was
like, what first of all, there's no code of conduct, you know,
put anywhere. And I could not even imagine
what thing I could have violated.
And I said really my goodness, what what what am I being
accused of doing? And he said well we understand
that you made a donation to some age outs and a jury
determinations and I said well yeah actually I did.
I said and I have talked to my ethics counsel about it who put
me to hhs's council about it. I said because just to go back
and age out is a child who turns 18 while they're in the program?
That means immediately. Right?
Then that's it. They are no longer an
unaccompanied minor and they are released from the site into
regular population in the United States, okay?
So you're animating you made a contribution to someone that you
basically saw that the system had managed to fail essentially
like while they were in it. Yes.
And then they were just kicked out into the world.
It's like, well, now that you've met reach this magical number,
you're no longer important to us.
And so you made a personal contribution, which I think the
government sees as free speech and less.
I don't understand how civil how the Supreme Court cases work,
but you can give money. And that's free speech, right?
Yes your yeah. Yeah.
And you're not allowed to give money to the children who Who
are unaccompanied minors. Sure.
But you can to any person who's no longer right on the side, so
that person could have had a Gibson.
Go for all it matters that you could have been making a
contribution in any way you wanted and nobody would ever
think twice about it. Yes.
Okay, so this is a put-up job. Yeah.
People were always raising money.
They were giving to to fly kids before they turned 18 to make
sure they got to their destination, you know, all kinds
of stuff, which I know I couldn't do.
No, I couldn't do that. But so I was making this
donation with the the highest level person on the site
responsible for the kids. It was the Child Welfare
director. And so only, he knew that I was
making any donations. And the reason that I was making
donations is because a lot of these kids, the majority were
coming from Guatemala. They're not on the US dollar
right at El, Salvador's on the dollar, but Guatemala's on the
kicks out. Ali.
So, if they came across the border and all they have is
kicks Ali's. They can't even eat for the day.
And I thought, this is just horrible.
So, I was making donations 9. Anyone, on my team new, nobody
knew because I don't believe, you know, don't let your right
hand. Know what your left hand is
doing. There's a theology Pika.
Yeah. So I was secretly making
donations with the child welfare director.
And so anyway, he said I think that was the thing that They
didn't realize that I had reached out to ethics to find
out what I could and could not do and I even they looked at
each other even when I said that I said, well, of course I made
the donations. Yes, they're not part of the
program and it's legal to do. There's no, there's no problem
here. There were all kinds of things.
I tried to help with in certain circumstances with the children,
sometimes family would fail the the the approval process.
Yes, we had a situation where someone was in Enterprise
Alabama, which was a no send Zone, because they so many kids
were going there and they had to do a home study before a child
could go. And the dad failed, the home
study because the the living conditions.
And so I was actually trying to help at the direction of people
on the site is there. Another place.
Could we help relocate the dad? So that the, he could be
reunited. And so there were all kinds of
Things. I was always helping with but
that was one thing that I really thought was horrible, that we're
bringing kids here and then we're just kicking them out into
the world. And I mean, you're and you have
an altruistic heart. Clearly like this is the reason
why you volunteered for this particular program, there's no
doubt like I can, if you haven't seen our Rumble Channel, folks
go to rumble Channel. You can see tears face.
You can see what she believes in.
You can see the way she's talking.
And I think that's I think that's a powerful thing.
That's why we do it on video as well, but you're out there
trying to do something that, you know, No is right.
In a world full of wrong understanding that the
government has many failures, but that doesn't mean that it's
not made of people who have good Hearts.
So, you're trying to do this thing, they obviously got you
with something that is a, that is nonsensical.
I feel very similar about the way they came after me.
That was a, that was a cover for Action.
For What the actual action was, what was the result of the end
of that conversation, you're sitting on a bench.
He tells you, you've got ethics violations, you know, you don't
then what right? He said.
So what I'm going to need you to do then is Write a statement
about how you gave the donations and why you gave the donation.
So I'm like, great. Okay, no problem.
So I think you know, I'm just going back to work and he said
and we're just going to let you do that from your hotel and I'm
like, you know, I got lots of cases.
I'm working on he's like nope, this is the priority will let
you do this from the hotel and I thought, I thought that was kind
of weird, but I still had not caught on to the fact that they
were retaliating against me yet. Right.
Aaron is grinning right now because he knows exactly what
this means. Because this is something you
learn very early on in the military.
You learn it. On in other agencies is like,
once they start separating you from the group.
There's a reason why this is not an accident.
Yeah, so it's funny looking back now but so I still didn't know
what was happening yet and so I I said, okay.
All right, no problem. So we're walking back in to the
into the building and as we're getting ready to get to the
huge, we had these huge double doors to go into the Ballroom,
I'd he said, by the way, why don't you just collect all your
things? And I said, oh my thanks, he
says, yeah, anything that's personal.
He said, just collect all of your personal items and I
remember, right? Then at that moment, I was like,
oh, this is not good. No, that's a sinking feeling on
that when that comes down. Yeah, I had that sinking feeling
and so, you know, next thing, you know, at this point, my
heart is racing and, you know, I'm I'm walking back in and
people who know me know, I'm pretty chipper and happy and
they could see the look on my face.
And so, I'm collecting my stuff and one of the girls beside me,
she's she was looking at me, she had was new had rotated on to
the team. She'd been there there about
three weeks. I said, remember when I told you
that when I get walked off the site, it's going to be for
trafficking. I said, well, I'm being walked
off for trafficking and she looked at me So I collected all
my things and I'm walking out, and, of course, all my friends
are looking and they're horrified as we're walking out
and going down the stairs, the federal field specialist, he's
trying to make small talk with me.
You know, how did you enjoy being in caliph or nia?
My God. And I said, Phil, Phil has a
whole story about this, by the way, it's the worst.
I said it is, it's awful. And I said, I'm just curious,
are you Considering sending me home and he's like, well, you
know, that that could potentially happen and I said,
you know, I've been a federal employee almost 19 years at this
point. I said, are you saying this
could potentially affect my career?
He's like, well, that's possible.
But, you know, I don't think so. And I, I mean, at this point, I
am just completely panicked. I at this point I'm like ready
hyperventilating like, oh, Oh my gosh, what's about to happen?
And so we get to the place where we badge in.
So we're walking and having this nice conversation and he said,
you know, well, we're going to investigate and I said,
investigate this. That's when then I really, I
thought, okay, cannot get any worse than this and as I hand my
badge to badge out, they took it in special assessment, we can
just give that to security. That's right.
You're taking my Right? So that, yeah.
So, fortunately, I've had great people who I've been in contact
with and I'd already made to protected disclosures to doj oig
to protected disclosures to HHS oig.
And I'm calling friends saying hey what do I do now?
And so they walk me, you know, off the ledge.
And I had to call my office who they did not know at all, I was
working trafficking cases. So, I had to call my office and
say, okay, I need you to take a seat because I'm just got walked
off the site and SES is like what?
And I said I've been working trafficking cases and I have
discovered not only are they trafficking the kids, but
they're also MS-13 is involved. And they don't want that to get
out. I said, I've already made
protected disclosures to doj in here and there and he said, I'm
going to call you back, right? So he can sensed with some
people. And he said, he said Tara, he
said, I want you to take a deep breath.
He said, we got your back. He said, I will send agents to
escort you home. He said you think you're safe
and I said, I don't think they would be that dumb to do
anything and my husband ended up escorting, me home, I declined
an escort home but they were, you know, they were concerned
which is which is the thing that we have been?
Yeah. You all get that like everybody
asked the question about your physical safety, which is like
one of the worst things you can imagine because we're in a world
where that is plausible. To Pivot over because I know,
Aaron sitting there quietly and I know his story is less
cordial. You at least are were, were
brought back to your own home agency and you've been able to
continued employment Aaron, you did not have the same
experience. Yours is a lot more like mine.
That's why you and I are kind of the same tribe.
I told you the other day. Tell me, tell me how first of
all, how did it come to a head? Because it always comes to
something and was it something that you expected or they catch
you off guard? So, you know, so I actually went
public the first when I blew the whistle on this.
I was like in Shadows, no, no, I was right after work is no, no
one knew anything, right? And then I found more exact
corruption and that's not what the public.
And you know, then they were like, okay this is earned.
And so from there, there were like that was, you know, it's
kind of awkward. So at work, you know, people
were told, like, don't talk to him, just don't interact, you
know? And like that, that alone was
like, okay. So they're going to clearly
missing which is fine. I don't want people getting, you
know, investigated also. So it's Deal.
He was looking up on the side and they were like, you know, I
respect you, that was cool. It was mild, you know, that kind
of thing. Let's go.
Then this is a while later I got it.
So I got my best to gatien's, I go through it.
I might tourney go back and forth and then I get called in
one day and say, hey be in the lobby at 9 a.m. and I was like,
I, that's all I need to know. I know it's going to happen now.
That's right. That's when they read me out.
They gave me tell people about looks like, by the way, and then
they said, like weird. Not everyone's familiar with my,
but my buddy. Steve friend gave me a hard
time. He was like all you've security
guys, who know about security clearances talk about breeding
out like what if he's like, what is reading out?
Tell people what that looks like.
Yes, basically they just have to go through all your, all your
statements are signed statements saying, you know, I will cut
this operation for. I think it's 75 years, the
duration of your life every was so I decided to go see.
I had your garden-variety apartments, that's 80, km/h
dies, and then they just say the cart sign this.
You're out of its unless you're out of it.
It the you debris from security officer saying, you know, board
and statements of sine, which is, you know, by law.
You gotta, I never get any classified but it's like no big
deal. Whatever this part of the
process. I understand it.
I would even this is going in the game.
Yep, look at my read out. And they say, okay, you can tell
work though, so you have got to stay until the work and you
gotta log in. But you can't go in and eat like
immigration system because we don't trust you anymore.
You can't go do any work. So they've gotten your research,
like, you know, open source would never know.
Recipes. So, log in every day, Yeah, you
know, I've read books. I've read, you know, I'm not at
work. Don't worry.
And it's so then. So your horse telework was
essentially like administrative leave.
That was that correct? I mean, I was more or less a
thing. It was an administrative leave
check in with us every day. Yeah, basically.
And you know, and I'm not gonna lie to you.
So my first science advisor, my second line supervisor, they
were great, very professional, they weren't, you know, they
weren't getting bad for me. It wasn't the weird part for me
was when I finally get like, you know, sat down, By the, it was a
division Chief and it's like just stick this paperwork and
it's, like, I signed acknowledging receipt.
Okay? This is the process, okay.
I got that. I understand it.
It's some kind of looping through a metre, no, flipping
through, and what they say. And like, just the one of the
word said, you know, we basically lost trust in you and
I was like, right? Because in your their own
language, I revealed the identity of detected applicants
who were seeking Asylum. It's like, there you go.
Like, I'm showing sex traffickers.
What? We're not talking the same thing
guys. Like you see this literally and
nothing else and I can't. I'm sorry, I see this right here
and those know they'll never meet up.
So that was telling for me, I didn't regret it.
And once once I finally got hold of Terror because I saw her
video come out. We talked.
And yeah, we met in Phoenix. I was so as awesome as great
time meeting you too, of course, Kyle.
But when I asked her like, you know, about cases, like whatever
happened with things and she did say, like, one of these kids
like did get pulled out a sponsor because of set me off.
Fucking concerns. And I was just like, you know
what? That's worth it alone.
It's like it's, it might be just one kid, but it's like that
someone's life. That's just it's now because the
average age, by the way, for a trafficking victim, it's like
seven, ten years, you get traffic 727, 10 years later,
you're probably dead. And so it's like, you know what,
that's good enough for me because who knows what it could
have gone through. So yeah, that was that most
people, yeah, I get my fire notice.
It was Most people can't put that on there.
They can't put on their tally. Like, I've done something that
directly resulted in another human being be able to live the
rest of their life. There's very few people that can
do that. Even people like in the medical
field generally speaking can't make that call because you know,
you just don't know. That's a very tangible thing.
When someone gets pulled out of a thing where basically
everybody in their dies, in a pretty short period of time.
That's right. You know, I think that that
makes it worth it. I agree with you.
Yeah. And so they work also like in
this, in this time frame, they did try to like change some
policies like you know. Okay.
They basically lot of things about I dressed.
They try to go like you know okay we should we should look at
these things and like they tried mover in the back end doesn't
matter it's like yeah you have to make the time it changes in
this program otherwise it's going to keep happening because
we have no it where I worked at is called usasf DNS.
Broader section National Security that we have no teeth,
we're even our bark is very quiet but getting back to the
the firing part. So sit down On with the person
above the division, Chief and I knew her, and she's a good
person. She didn't shoot enjoy, you
know, she did enjoy the process. She said I can start do this
part of the job, not like don't worry about it is you know enjoy
your dear sweet and she hunts deer enjoyed your hunting deer
you know live your life, do your thing but it's like but that's
it. I can't I can't do this program
with you guys anymore. It's just this is too much.
So and then, What is your? So your status is terminated
they give you a nasty sf50 that says you were terminated for
cause or something to that effect, or what does it say?
I didn't download my last. Sf50 I did get again I got the
whole packet and I since my turning I was like if you want
to, you know, what do you think sir?
I'll do whatever I do because if we want to protect austerity or
other cases in the future it's like no.
I'll I'll do a good college try but I'm not trying to get my job
back them anymore. They don't trust me.
That's fine. Then I trust me.
Right? But yeah so far from that that's
only been about It's like two weeks now.
I guess, I know that's fresh information.
It was something you probably knew was coming.
It still doesn't feel any better when you start learning it.
And you actually have to process through that.
It's as weird. It's really weird, right?
Especially cuz you just, I'm just doing the math on here.
You've got almost 18 years total of working for the federal
government and in some way or another, that's your entire
adult life. I always tell people that the,
that betrayal is not something that happens from a stranger.
It's someone that you trust stabs you in the back.
Back and I have to imagine getting walked out for Tara and,
and you know, losing the job has the same feeling that I've
thought about it and I only had ten years of total, you know,
Federal time. But you're like, I believe in
the government. That's why I signed up to do
these things, and then they put the knife in between your
shoulder blades, you can't reach it, because it's back there.
That's, that's the thing that hurts, right?
I've done more than just to talk Mission.
I've, you know, I've worked on terrorism cases, I've worked on,
you know, obvious fraud, cases a lot of things and it's like,
even have even an people at work knew my sentiment of a lot of
our failures. The Chinese spy thing alone was
like, oh my gosh, guys, but like, I've seen plenty of
already, like dis failures again and again, and again, but it
still was like, oh, wow, you guys don't trust me.
I like no offense, guys, I point out somebody who's very, very
bad doing bad things and your take on it is.
Yeah. But you know, he's an asylum
Seeker. It's like, all right.
It's just it's a culture and I'm not part of it.
That's right. And you and I are going to do a
whole nother interview, which I told you, we'll get into all the
things about failures on the counterterrorism, front on the
failures of the counterintelligence front of
which they are numerous. And I think that'll be very
eye-opening for folks. I don't want heads to explode
when they listen to this because it's so, it's only so many
things people can process at any given time.
I'm so we're going to we're going to, you know, listeners
you're going to know that we're going to do this another moment
where Aaron and I will get into the deep end of some of the
significant failures. DHS is a totally other animal,
you know, you talk about 10 billion dollars, that's a splash
in the bucket for their 120 billion dollar budget that they
have every year, five billion dollars a year is nothing.
And then that's on HHS. I don't know how big HHS is, but
I'm sure it's enormous as well. So I want to kind of pivot back
in there. You got walked out of the site
Tara, you neither of you guys stopped.
That's the real. For me.
And this is why this is why I want to keep talking about it.
The fight doesn't end because you get walked off the site.
You still have friends in there that are that are seeing these
things. What is going on in the Pomona
side or any of the people that have come to you since then that
you seen? Now that you're sitting in a
different government spot obviously you're going back to
your regular job but like what what's the developments that
happened from the time you get walked off there and they take
your badge. Yeah.
Well, I mean it takes a moment to recover from that, right?
And then, you know, recorded interviews with agents and all
kinds of things, but I just, I couldn't sleep knowing what What
was going on. But right now today Kyle there
are children who are in crisis, right?
When project Veritas went and knocked on the doors, children
are telling their stories. You know the 15 year old girl
who wants to quit school so that she can pay back her debt to the
cartel. The 16 year old girl who's
trafficked by her sponsor who supposedly her aunt, that she's
never met or out for sex, right? But she's never met, you know.
So knowing These things and I've heard children screaming for
their parents. You know, I've watched kids have
panic attacks because they didn't know where they were
going. I mean, I just couldn't I just
couldn't live with it. I just couldn't.
And so, you know, I went through every Avenue and attorneys and
all kinds of stuff. And I said, what can I do with
my First Amendment right to bring this to light?
Because I I've done all the correct channels and now what
can I do to help these kids? Kids.
And so I'm really grateful. I mean, first it was Project.
Veritas yeah. What was their actual advice on
that stuff? Did they give you?
Like, here's your left and right boundaries and they tell you
They were like, please don't do this, you're going to put a
Target on your back, you know. Yes.
Stand that, you know, you have your job now.
But if you continue down this path, you know, at some point
they might not appreciate it. But I cannot my worldview has
just been changed and I recognize just like the two of
you because to me, you all are heroes and I see that one voice
truly can make Difference and this by continuing to speak out,
it's led to some pretty amazing things and that I hope are going
to continue Texas. The AG's office there.
They've got some human trafficking teams that are
hopefully going to go rescue. Some of these kids Florida has
has had a lot of testimony I've talked with a lot of prosecutors
and what's interesting is that as Scared and terrified as
people are to come forward. It's interesting.
Everyone said, you know, if you can get me a subpoena Tara, I'll
come forward. And so I think that's sometimes
I think HHS maybe miscalculated that nobody would ever come
forward. But so there's lots of good
people who have started to come forward, who been subpoenaed?
They want a subpoena, can you imagine?
Please get me a subpoena. Well, that's something really
important about that. Yeah, I think you bring up a
really Important point because I have the same situation with FBI
and, you know, we're all seeing different sides of the federal
government but they're all the same, which is that people want
to speak. They are not allowed to speak,
but if you call them and put them under oath, they would say
the truth. And there is a big difference
between that, like, it takes someone like both of you, it
takes someone sometimes like me to go out there and take the
take the first flax. Almost got to be the first one
through the door, so that these attorneys, whether they be a G's
of a state, or where they would be Federal prosecutors know what
the problem and what the scope. Up is because they don't even
know where to direct their fire. But when you give them a grid
coordinate and you go look go call that human being in this
office and have them come under oath and say the things that
they have to say they are obliged to say the things that
are true. They don't get to hide behind
policy when there's federal law and play or state law in this
case. And so that's kind of the really
interesting thing and let's you be a lightning rod for all the
all the nastiness but it also gives you ability to channel
that into a place where it can do some good.
Yes, yes. And so we're hoping that that's
going to lead to some federal things as well.
So hopefully, you'll be hearing some interesting stuff coming
out of the Judiciary Committee and I have it on pretty good.
Pretty good faith that something's going to happen with
that. So I'm hoping that's that's the
case. The main thing is and people are
like, why do you keep doing this?
I said, because one kids need to be rescued too bad.
People need to be locked up and three this program that HHS has
completely lost control of needs to be reformed period, end of
story. Yeah, so this has been going on
for years and years trafficking in this program.
It won't get fixed overnight at all.
Yep. No.
But, you know, Senate, you know, reports back for years and these
these paper activities are not are not saving the children.
So something drastic needs to be done and hopefully this is is
this is going to continue to spark action.
Yeah. Aaron did you have something you
wanted to weigh in on there too? You had that look I mean, yeah.
So I've been looking through this program again like blue,
the policy part, because government is just that's her
blood there during my policy. Yep.
And on top of that, you know, their their agency policy, their
internal policies, all these little, you know, snap impromptu
things. The rule changes.
That's the diverter for me is just how much they accomplished
in the administrative state by rule changes.
Now those are insane to me. But I've been going through just
to make sense of it because it's hard to because it's you know,
it's government is boring, right?
It is so it's like A lot of meat is right there.
Yeah, and and, like, no one. Look at these things.
Like this kind of you count on all these websites have, like,
you know, a notice of proposed rule making changes and I, some
of these things are less than 400 less than 300.
And it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to change the entire
collection form of when you talk to a child.
It's like, well, we'll wait. When did we you're going to that
one? Where is that democracy in play?
And why was that done on the 21st of January 2021, but I do
have, I mean, it's like with terrorists all over the states.
That's me, is a much stronger. Thing, because local politics is
great way to go and they do have authority to have a lot of power
if they're willing to just I mean just real, the guys like
stop yielding it to the feds for responsiveness one.
You know, there are a lot of border states, a lot of states
that are impacted by this, but you have investigators, you have
a teeth like start using them because that might be the
quickest way to at least stop the kids from in this program
and to find some bad guys and we can do those two things first.
It's like back end, you know, we can work on that.
I'll see if there's reform possible.
Yet, there's still a thing there.
Maybe it's like the kids getting out of it and the bad guys
getting caught up. It's like, that's got to be
prioritized. First, I think States,
especially if they had the data from HHS, yes, they might take
is if any law enforcement agency from, you know, City County
State. They have a case of, you know,
involving a child in this program.
I think they should get full access to everything that's gone
through every single piece of paper.
Every single file has to go to them because they're gonna be
the action art. That's right.
How many, how many attorneys generals from different states
have signed onto or committed to doing some sort of action based
on The Whistleblower activity from the two of you.
There you know what's funny? Yeah that I know of right now.
Yep. Got to but things in you talk I
think are in the works so we'll see.
Okay. Yes Allah and there's and there
should be some more reading us. You would think soon is going by
proximity where the problem is. Yeah.
But we'll see. So Texas and Florida have been
forward-leaning. It sounds like you said, Utah's
on the ropes but probably coming into the fight as well.
What's what's interesting is is I think people have seen in the
last couple years. Every state functions is a
border state. Now, when DHS and, and or rather
HHS is willing to ship people everywhere.
You know, whether it be from, in the middle of the night, plane
rides, and all these kind of things that tip something in
Aaron's head, right? Yeah, so I mean Virginia alone.
Pranks ice live in Virginia and I think through of the, the 12
total things that I saw, the 12 total counters, I saw in eight
months of this, you know, gang members trying to get kids, want
to say like three or four men came from Virginia, early, some
is surrounded. Near area there is a large
population of not just, you know, the people's from
Guatemala El, Salvador Honduras. But the activity of the games as
well, my parts of Alexandria parts of outer Graphics County
and like place like Alexandria. That's a that's what it, what
they call it, what? City?
A sanctuary City? Yes.
So there is a criminal's, no, to go there because it's almost in
and out and they can do not going to put on the country that
way. That's right.
Yeah. So I've done surveil, I've done
surveillance on a house out there and we were Watching it.
And the reason was is that they were supposedly like 10 or 15
families living in a four-bedroom house which is
pretty standard in these sort of illegal, immigrant type
occupations. And then one of the guys in
there might have been a top ten fugitive who killed like to
Federal sources down in Texas. And then Lefty was a top-10
fugitive for the State of Texas. So we we sat on it.
We saw him. He came out on a bicycle.
He went down to the corner store and we grabbed him and yeah,
that stuff happens every day. Like there's a ton of Ms in the
greater DC area. My old field office Washington
field, handles it in. Maryland hails it in DC and then
a ton of it in in Virginia as well.
So that all these places are border states even though they
don't have a border with Mexico or anywhere touching Latin
America. It's amazing.
Right. Yeah.
Well, when the federal government is paying, I think
this is the thing that I wish people could understand.
And I know it's hard for people to get their minds around
because it was hard for me to understand that the United
States government is creating the poll were creating the pull
because we are The middleman in the trafficking operation, we
are taking the children in and then paying all these midnight
flights all around the country, right?
The United States government is paying that bill to distribute
the kids all around the country. So to your question that you
asked Aaron in the beginning, why February 20 21 right, why?
Well, because gangs are about making money, and the kids are
assets to them. Yeah.
So when they are, you know, the easiest thing to compare it, it
too is drugs versus the children, right?
If they are trafficking drugs from Guatemala, it's a
one-time-use. So they got to get the drugs all
the way, you know, across Mexico across the border where they're
going to use some of it lose, some of their product, they got
to pay a distribution chain so for one-time use.
But when they're trafficking children, all they got to do is
get them to the border and then we take them and then with tax
dollars, we distribute them. So for the traffickers on this
end, they view that child as a continually paying asset, these
traffickers make residual income.
They are building their assets. Off of the ten billion dollars
were investing in the program and policies have consequences.
This is why there 2, they made the run on the border.
What was in order to be able to set up these networks, be able
to create these rains, where hey, we got, we got a hundred
kids, I don't think people get it.
This is residual income for the trafficker.
Every hour. They've got these hundred kids
working, they're making money off of it.
They don't give these kids their paychecks.
I mean, go back. I people can look at the videos
back from 20, it's called trafficked in America off of
this report. They I actually went and showed
the squalor conditions, the kids were living in how they take
their paychecks and it's horrific and we are the
middleman in the trafficking ring.
Well, it's unacceptable unacceptable, it, it's almost
more like we're the last mile. I don't know if you've ever seen
a service but sometimes like you'll have you know FedEx or
UPS, whatever will move things around to their logistical hubs
and they hired these contractors that are called last mile or
last, you know, last mile. Or something like that.
They're all called the something similar.
But they do the last little bit of the logistical chain to
getting it from point A to point B.
And then and as you just mentioned I think this is so
point. Like I never thought of this is
why when drug traffickers are moving a drug.
They have to get it from A to B themselves all the way and it's
a one-time-use, right? It goes from fill in the blank
country, it makes it over our border in any way, shape, or
form. Then they are also got to get it
through our, you know, Highway systems and all the logistical
routes there and they've got to make sure that they maintain it
and secure it. All the way and make sure that
the dealers don't take it, and then it gets, you know, sent out
to the end user of that product, and that's the end of it.
And so, it's an, A, to B. This is more like, moving a
rental car. And letting someone get it, you
get it to the hub. And then not only do they get as
the Hub like someone's gonna drive it to where it needs to
go, where it's going to make the most money and then it gets
rented out over and over again. So it's almost a durable good.
And we're not just talking about sex trafficking.
We're obviously talking about abusive, labor, child, labor
exploitation, where you know you mentioned the slaughter Factory.
So it doesn't only I Sex trafficking is the one that hits
our heart, the hardest. I think because it's such a it's
such a destructive force forever but being worked in a
slaughterhouse at the age of seven or eight or 10.
Whatever these things look like is equally atrocious in many
ways because of just there's just no coming back from it for
these kids. It's incredible to imagine and
it's more than just a sound bite.
I want people to grasp this. You've talked about
government-sponsored trafficking operations.
We are literally in the logistical chain of these
transnational organized crime, I'm organizations.
Like we're part of their business model.
In this case, all of us. Yes, we are.
Erin I'm sorry, I got so we also know that these talk
organizations, they abused immigration system by using
defensive Asylum. Okay.
That's, you know, as you so it's you don't know, there's
affirmative Asylum which is like your traditional way of thinking
about things, do you know go up to a Us official and say I'm
threat of my life being killed. If I go back home can have
Asylum. You think about this like
political reasons, defensive? Asylum is, you've already been
encountered, you're putting putting removal proceedings.
You're going to get deported and then you say, oh, but if I go
back home, they're going to kill me.
It's almost like a grab that last branch on the way down.
And so if you go through this process, traditionally, you
would first be screened by an asylum officer, and this is
called credible, fear, or reasonable fear.
And these things were on average approved about like 77 80
percent is reproved like yep, you will qualify for this goes
to the immigration judge. So now maybe 80% of those and I
Yeah, and then I J's the immigration judge they'll review
your case and go. Yes or no, and they said no on
average of about 85 percent of those cases.
So, the it's a complete disparity.
Like, yep. You're good.
And it's like, no, you're not. And that's why I blew the
whistle publicly because the vitamin istration the the
employee union of the USCIS, they wrote policy to change the
rules to ship, the adjudicative authority of defensive, Asylum
away from immigration, judge. Jizz and giving it to Asylum
officers. So those those 85%.
No cases will very quickly become yes cases.
And so not only did it one more time for me.
No, say where the authorities have been changed from, it's
gone from a judge to Just Like A administrative officer.
Yeah. It's not a mobster and now and
we gotta judge. Yeah.
Keep going. Yeah.
That's why I blew the whistle on.
A my guys, this is worse than you realize and so when you have
these people now abusing the system because now they'll come
off the watch list. They're no longer being targeted
or seen and they keep that trafficking going.
It's not going to stop him at all.
And doesn't forget that one. Each list was kept at 40,000 and
I was going to say, but of the question.
Sorry, I'm so sorry. Well, they've already know.
Yeah, either the authorities. So they, this is a Biden
Administration policy to take it.
And this was advocated on behalf, like by the by the
union. Is that what you're saying?
Yes, because Joe Biden, he accepted the Democratic party
platform and, you know, 2020 and like, it was that was published
in, you know, I think it's August 20, 2010, the DNC
convention. And then in the debate, and I
think I've told her 2020, that's when, you know, Joe Biden said,
like, I am the Democratic party, but Yep, this is me, these are
policies, right? So read through the Democratic
Convention, you, whatever, you just control, find look for
immigration judge, it's mentioned one time all the
sudden that entire time and that in that one thing it says we're
going to give you less political You know, of an environment
where to give you more autonomy, more freedom to do your job, as
ij's, they talk about reforming CVP, coming hard down on, you
know, ice there's that. We're never the USCIS has never
mentioned at all so you can see how the way the club operates
what they want to do. Yep.
And yeah. So the employee union even this
is before binds inaugurated, their writing, white papers, on
how to change this. Niggas rule, change of give us
the authority to do defensive assignment claims.
That's the majority of Asylum. It's not affirmative.
It's coming from defense. Of Asylum.
So let us make those things and then they're there is your
program of just keeping everybody in the way.
It is. Why would they want?
So, Why would the Union want that?
Yes. Is it a political?
Is it a political leader of the membership?
Or is it something that benefits the agency in some big way or
both? So no, it's not to be fair.
As far as membership, I won't say yay or nay to that one
because that'd be a lot of Assam officers.
He was his what they think, and they may have a good wolf or
this one or whatever, but as far as the leadership, yes.
Because USCIS, the majority of their leadership positions come
from this division of the Asylum, folks.
It's called radio Refugee. Asylum in operations.
They're the ones that run USCIS you, you come.
Them and you're in charge of like the club and pulling
strings and stuff. And yeah, that's that's just the
way it works. But I've also talked to a solemn
officers because, you know, they've some reach out to me and
been like Aaron, that was cool. Yeah, we stayed we stayed in
touch with friends, whatever. And they're tell me what's going
on right now because they're hiring.
Obviously, like 1,000 officers to be able to do this upcoming
job. I don't think the rule changes
affect yet because Ken Paxton sued in Texas.
Okay, so hopefully they win, but we'll see.
But they're busy written will trigger and like to start
running through quite quickly, get everybody through.
And they become citizens, very fast.
So, they are not moving. They're removing the block right
there, removing that block, that would stop.
And would basically, it would eliminate that three to five
years and that decision that they would have would just be a
final decision instead of going to a judge who eventually May
remove those That's incredibly for all intensive purposes.
Yes. And and so I've talked with some
officers as far as like, you know, what's going on with the?
Hey, how's work? What you guys doing now?
And they all say like, oh it sucks like the workload socks,
like we are just swamped, and it really sucks to because we're
bringing a new officers. This is their first job.
People are so many people quitting during training to
become an asylum officer, and they're just going to run the
government. It's like, it's that bad for
them. What else was there?
There's a few other things too. But it's basically.
It's like You can see that what the corruption is done.
It's like it is we know what this program is, guys, I just
call it what it is, this is open borders and that's the way you
guys want it, right? But and they don't understand
that it's not humanitarian and you know, it was interesting is
that I had someone high up in HHS on the site.
Say, you know, have you ever considered and it was only after
the MS-13 case, right? So turning in all the other
trafficking cases, nobody ever questioned, You know, if I had
cultural biases. But when when I brought up this,
you know, this case and was passing forward, all the
information, you know, someone actually said to me, you know,
you might want to check your cultural biases and I said, you
know, I said you might not realize but my husband is from
El Salvador assure you. I don't have cultural biases and
I would not have volunteered for this mission to help migrant
children. If I was, you know, if I had
biases against these people The challenge is is that these
policies have very negative consequences on people.
And that's the thing. It's like you shared at the
beginning. It makes people slaves because
they have no access to law enforcement.
They can't they can't get help, you know.
And so this is not humanitarian and I think there's a lot of
people and I, you know, I'm one included if we roll back.
Back the clock, two years ago, I would have thought that that
this unaccompanied child program was a great thing.
Wow, we're uniting kids with their families and this is going
to be awesome. What?
I didn't realize is where the kids were going.
And so, I think this is, it's like you said, in the beginning,
this isn't a political issue. This is not a republican issue
or Democratic issue. This is these are children and I
would hope that everyone would be able to say, we have to do
better for her kids, then Put them in the hands of criminals
and, and, and traffickers. We have, we have to do better.
Yeah, we have to do better. I always know that you're on the
right side of the of, of any discussion.
When there is an appeal to be made both to the left and to the
right on the political Spectrum. I like to think of In The Middle
on probably not my wife tells me, I'm on the right but so be
it. I'm an independent one way or
another and I don't follow a party platform and when it comes
down to should people be able to live their lives and not be
murdered. Or be under threat of murder, on
a regular basis. Should they be able to live
their lives without being sex, trafficked by someone who will
murder them? If they do not do the things,
they are told that is not a partisan issue.
I cannot imagine what side wants to defend that but it is an
ignorance issue. Its people that are not willing
to see that look the federal government is not a.
I think we could all three agree here and producer Phil would say
as well. You know, the federal government
is probably the worst solution to any problem.
Sometimes there's no other solution so it has to step in
and be that. Thing.
But as you mentioned, state government way, better local
government, far closer to the people.
So many people have talked to me as an FBI agent and said, this
thing is happening, what should I do?
And the answer is, you call 911, like why are you asking me a
question? You call 911 when that happens,
they don't even know how their lock, local law enforcement
Works. They don't know what they're
paying for with their own dollars and they live in this
country and they speak the language.
So, I could only imagine that you come in from El Salvador and
you have no idea and maybe you have a natural distrust of the
police. Lease if you live in Mexico
because there's corruption all over the place there that they
have no ability to process this culture and what access to law
enforcement, they may have. And when they do deal with us,
they're always shocked. It's like oh I didn't realize
that you would help us. We've gone through on some of
these extortion cases just for your guys awareness where MS-13
is threatening somebody with their life and the federal
government. You know the FBI in this case
pays the extortion money to build the case against the
person that is extorting, we give the 20 dollars every month
every week, whatever it may be Mark the bills and Build that
case. So that we can go and get that
person removed, but there's another person that steps in,
that's what, that's what gangs do.
They've got an entire pecking order.
So it's just the low man on the totem pole, we're picking off
its transactional, business for law enforcement, but the locals
don't know that the these poor people that are being threatened
with their life, like I said, their husband may be on the
chopping block because this woman doesn't give 20 bucks
every week, it's horrific and there's no political aspect in
this. It's just human you mentioned.
It was you know I've heard humanitarian crisis a whole lot
and and I see you nodding along Ang but this is a humanitarian
question. It's not a political question
and it shouldn't be we should all be able to get together and
just say, look these open borders, the real consequences
are people suffer in a really, really bad way and an errand was
able to see it in a intelligence thing.
And you were able to see the faces that it was resulting in
and we all know what that is. I saw it on the law enforcement
end of it after they get to where they're going because I've
worked, you know, trafficking cases and I sat on those things
and I've watched doors just see like how many men are going to
be coming out of here. It you know.
Can we see a younger female coming in and out and if we do
like that's kind of the indication that that's where
it's happening. You don't know but they take it
all over the place. They do all kinds of horrible
things. So we've all seen this in our
own sphere and these are three different governmental
departments, under the cabinet three of what like 10 or 12 or
however many cabinet-level positions.
They all have massive failures. Is it 16 now?
Yeah, I believe you our government probably used to have
white like three when the was like three, guys.
There's like a department of War.
This is Department of Commerce from something else.
Now, it's, everybody's got a department for some reason,
roads and transportation underneath it.
They're all doing a great job when we got derailments and
child trafficking and you know, we're going after pro-life
activists. I find, I just read another
article and you know, that was talking about indictments of
people sitting outside of an abortion clinic of all things.
So is there a yeah? Yeah.
What are some of the action items that people can do in
their own world? Everybody always wants to know,
it's like the scope of the problem.
I think is, well, documented now at Leavin in the last hour and a
half that we've been talking, what can people do concrete?
You know, whether it's, who can they go to welcome it?
What can they do on their end? Because a lot of people feel
powerless when they hear this stuff and either one of you, if
you both have thoughts, I might stumble through minds.
Are you want to go first, I'll go with you but.
Okay. All right.
Well, I would say call your local local legislators and ask
them, right? Where are the children, right?
Wet. What's happening?
With all these children, who are coming into our state, where are
they? And who are their sponsors?
So the big secrecy right now and the lack of transparency is
around, who are Are the sponsors.
So it's an easy fix. People just have to somehow get
HHS to turn over the data. So it's probably going to be at
a state level like Florida's doing Texas is doing and I think
Utah's on the way to doing and after let's see what were the
states, Minnesota, Nebraska, Kansas who had all these
children found working in their slaughter houses.
Maybe they're going to be the ones as well.
So find out and and and say, hey look, make the Federal Don't
turn over this information to the states, and then, I would
also say, call your federal people as well, call your
Congressman, call your Senator and say, where are these
children. So, it was on December 5th.
That five Senators. Wrote a letter to secretary
better settle. Who is the, you know, he's the
head of HHS. He's the secretary and asked him
to respond to these allegations. You know, is it true?
Are these children being trafficked, there's been no
response as of yet. So they can call their
representatives and say, hey, what's going on with that?
What is the response of HHS to the fact that they've been
accused of trafficking children? So, okay.
So you're saying this their state legislatures, which are
obviously much closer to home and have much smaller districts
reaching out to those people. That's the first question.
And then is there a concrete policy name that they should be
referencing? Because I know a lot of times
these the questions have if we don't Point our questions, very
very directly, IE they it's like, oh I don't know.
But if you give them a thing that they can follow up on what
is the name of the policies or programs you should be
questioning about the program. So it is Health and Human
Services. So HHS ACF, which is
administration of Children and Families, then Orr office of
refugee resettlement, then you see program.
So the unaccompanied children program God that's a mouthful.
Do it backwards for him to tell them what the lowest level is is
the office. Of unaccompanied children.
So lowest level is the unaccompanied children program,
okay? Which is under office of refugee
resettlement, under Administration for Children and
Families under Health, and Human Services.
Yeah. All right.
And Aaron you have some thoughts.
Do you have for sure? It's complicated.
So Doug is the state government because all the big part on the
thing too, is it's not just the federal government operating.
This they have contractors was contact with the headquarters to
Southern Oklahoma. Some, I look at some of them and
there's, they received a lot of money.
I believe a couple are no Bid And there's there's your heard
buzzer for me, always to. It's like, you got another
contract that we should look into that state government.
Definitely get teeth. If you don't know, ask, right
guys. But I would also recommend,
especially states, where they've already found these cases Got if
you live in those areas, contact, your local media and
like, ask more questions, get them more involved.
Point them to these interviews that also tears down all sports.
Uh, there's a lot of good information out here but um, I
talked to a border patrol body mind and because I was asked,
previously wants exactly I believe it.
This thing is, you know, this thing wants to be done because
they need to labor trafficking too cheap and products,
whatever. And if organizations is ok, if I
call Molly quick, the For sure. Okay, watch yep, start.
Yeah, start finally, get some boys out there.
Full everything, you can that you can from all the government
opponents are doing this. So that goes from DHS to HHS.
I'm sure labor might be in there somewhere doj because they run
the program. Yep, there's a lot of
information that they can start getting and it's just, I mean,
centralized it. Like we have to start like
ripping through it bit by bit, because there is a lot of
information to go through. It's not going to be easy,
except that one too. But you know, is it worth it?
Yes, it's always been worth it as your kids and there's,
there's nothing ever more deserving than protecting
children. So yeah, I definitely think
government local media, but then organizations, like, Judicial,
Watch and others. Let me just get involved, you
know, start doing things that, you know, that you can do with
your own powers because they might see things also that,
like, I don't know about, I'm going to attorney.
So I don't know how they would operate those ways.
Maybe there's other angles, they can go at it too.
There's a lot of possibilities and talk to your friends.
Keep it simple. Make memes the government's.
The government's trafficking children.
You know there's things you can do to start raising awareness in
these things. Yeah, that's a very local thing
to do. Do you have any church groups
that have reached out to you guys, either either of you or is
there something as being done on the, on the spiritual front?
Because I do know that the sum of the sum of the the big
changes that we're seeing and particularly going after with
doj and things like, that is when they start infringing on
religious rights, I know people are starting to have a big
Awakening in this country about their own personal faith and
what their church needs to be doing an acting in the world.
And I'm just curious that the answer may be, no, but are there
any church that you see in pop up?
All right, so when you say church, I'm not quite sure, but
I know that there's a lot of organizations that are called,
like Catholic Charities. There's a Lutheran one, they're
receiving a lot of money to do about his operations.
These fake home studies, everything else, like there's a
problem there as well about these is organization.
So that's not a spiritual front. That's more of a like me.
No, but there are if you, if you know those organizations look
into it, call them up, start demanding, things are getting
information out of them as far as local church groups that I
know about. I can't say, I'm Orthodox.
Avoid, you know, I've talked to a few people, my church and
actually it's kind of cool because two of them have
actually worked with like honest trafficking before.
And so they've helped me find a few other people to be able to
like, you know, kind of continuous and going cuz I'm not
stopping with the whatever I can do it.
But yeah, I know that's definitely a great one.
I would love to figure out how to reach out to what I think are
the most important people to for this to learn as far as an
audience, I keep saying it's going to be moms and women
because Is inherently a mean talking about caring for your
kids? You're going to get from them.
Yep. So however we could talk to you
know, I've been told him if you like Mom's for Liberties a few
other ones out there, it's like we got to start talking to them.
They got to start getting out to their networks and like getting
people aware of these things and really just kind of you know and
power of people just to do the pressure on organizations that
are involved in these things. People.
You know these things will succumb to pressure.
Yes, he will. Okay, if it's just like it's
just like one when you get us. You know, it's like finally I
can. I feel good now, we can go do
this. It goes to the inverse way when
you do the opposite and you put pressure on a bad thing, they
will they will collapse quickly, it's just the got to feel it the
follow on with that. So I got a McClane Bible Church
and my pastor had gone to Nepal and talked a lot about the sex
trafficking that was going on. And so he was one of the first
people who ever heard. Talk about sex trafficking, I
just didn't know what was going on in the United States at this
time and of Yes, I didn't know what was going on in this
program, but there was, there are a couple organizations.
So Tim Tebow actually has an organization that's involved
with child rescue, okay, not from trafficking and then
there's a group called a 21. I think that's Christine, Caine
International Justice Mission. So I learned about them, I don't
know, maybe four or five years ago and so, but they are
trafficking of children that are not Here in the United States as
much. So there are organizations out
there that are doing it. So, I don't know, specific
Church groups. But I know people, there are a
lot of people who are in prayer over this.
It's very interesting. Some of the people who I
deployed with is very interesting, you know it's like
you said you find that people with the courage to do these
types of things, have their faith in God.
And so one of the other women who from the DC area, We both
deployed didn't know each other until we got to the Dallas
intake site and were found out. We were deploying together to
Pomona. So, the whole team that went
mono, we were all Spanish speakers.
And so she's from Argentina, but here in the DC area and goes to
a neighbouring church. And so there are a lot of really
great people who are involved in trying to help that tell their
churches about what's happening, right?
Well no I think it's all about sentence after this too.
Um, I'm because I'm not as warm as kind of a obviously.
So if someone has heard this conversation and then, like, do
we talk about this way? Better ways of doing this, the
Twitter handles are, I believe on the screen in our?
Yeah, that's always going to ask is if you'll tell people how
they can get in touch with you and how they can follow, you and
find out the information that you guys are exposing, when it
comes out so far away. I mean, my brother to go see it.
It's at called out. The HS underscores in between,
you know, called a DHS. Yeah, I don't have any
followers, I will respond to DMS or comments, you know, I've
already had a few times and I always make good comments.
Whenever someone like, you know, if I, my fault are of value,
when I see people retweet those things, both be things.
I always say like, hey, thank you, by the way, keep doing this
with people need to hear these things that's all.
Yeah, be engaging like you know, reach out.
Yep. And if you don't see this on
Twitter or trousseau, She'll but I will be I will be tagging your
handles when we put this out. So people can find you directly
through the the tweets that were sharing and then we'll be in the
show notes as well. So we'll give people ways to get
in touch with you if they have questions.
Or if they have suggestions, they have job opportunities for
you are in the same sphere, is this kind of, what you think,
your, your purpose is at this point?
Because I know you're now probably in between some income
streams. Yeah.
I was like you know that's my brain operates.
I'm an analyst and I can't get off this thing.
So right now is from expensive it and I feel like if I can't
make sense of it I can't explain it better and moving explain it
better than we can all look at it and like okay how can we
tackle this thing? So somewheres in there I'm just
trying to make that a thing but however works it works.
It's not getting paid is not going to stop me.
Obviously this is a Is something so morally.
Arming, I think that it's like we know these kids have to be
saved us. Not just you know, because it
sucks physically like this is a Miss.
What? They are going through spear to
themselves. I couldn't even imagine and it's
just like if there's one good thing, I think I should do with
this help. However, I can.
And whatever way I can. You know, if I'm not the best at
whatever, let me be the best at something else and do whatever I
can. Yep, I'm going to see if there's
some organizational setup. Yeah, I'm familiar with some
organizations that have sort of kinetic ends of things, but they
all have a back-end. And I know that's probably the
harder thing for To staff. So we'll try to see if we can
find some things on their folks. If you are aware of an
organization that's looking for people that have analytical
background, that understand how the federal government works
that know what these problems are and you want to reach out to
either to me or Aaron will put you guys in touch.
Tara, what is what is the ways that people can follow you and
keep track of you? Yeah, so I don't really have any
social media except my Twitter, so I'm at tearily Rodas at
Twitter so you can find me there and if you reach out to me, I'll
definitely get back to you. If you have any suggestions, you
know, I'm new to this. I did not intend, I can assure
you. I did not intend to blow the
whistle on child trafficking. I did not even know it existed
in the program that I went to help.
So I'm learning and I want to learn as much.
As I can, because I do want to learn how I can best help.
So, please reach out to me. If there are resources that I
should have, you know, I'm trying to read things.
So I want to learn. And if there's anything, I can
do to help or shed light, I'd be happy to help in that way.
I love it. It is something that I think
that we all share in common that, you know, I don't know
that we ever know why God puts us in a place that we are in,
but does give us the resources to be able to handle these
things. Not necessarily in our time, but
in his. So I feel the same way about a
lot of this stuff. It's become a calling of certain
types and one of them is that I'm going to help kind of expose
your story. Just from my personal
perspective, I just wanted to tell both of you that I thought
the things that you guys did were the most important.
It may not be the biggest story either really big on Pfizer, but
the most important thing that project Veritas has done is
exposed this. And when I watch that story and,
and the folks that I talked to a Veritas were like, oh, have you
seen our story? It's like, holy crap.
That is the Eight of what real what real exposure looks like to
me. And I don't think the things
that, you know, what I'm doing is just trying to keep did, you
know, DHS or doj and the FBI out of people's private lives.
I would be really great if they would just leave people alone,
this is active evil. That is being perpetrated in a
much much nastier way and it is resulting on children who are
the most vulnerable of us. And if we don't look out for
children, we don't look for anybody.
That's that's the fundamental Western value is looking out
because Children of the future one way another.
Like if you don't care about your future then why are we
doing anything? So I want to thank both you
guys. Guys, for what you've been
doing, I'm going to have producer, Phil Reed as quick a
little kind of outro here. He's got a couple of things.
Folks, if you are liking what you hear, please do follow the
Kyle surface, you'll please put some comments out there.
Well like I said we'll make connections if there's
questions. I know that Aaron and Tara will
both be looking at these things and we'll we'll share this
around social media but moreover I want this this message is not
going to go away, we cannot let this stuff go quietly into the
night because we're all paying for it.
We're all complicit with our tax dollars, whether we like it or
not. And we've got to make sure this
kind of stuff doesn't happen on our watch without some fight
back. So Phil, if you got a five star
review from one of our lovely listeners, if you would give us
a read on that and anything else you want to add on the end notes
Here? Yeah, sure.
We get a nice one. That came in just a couple days
ago from one Daddy to writing, awesome.
Interviewer. You certainly have a way of
staying on focus and bring out the subjects that I want to know
about both outwardly and inwardly.
This all is a spiritual issue. Not realizing that would make
this craziness in the world, much more difficult to
understand. Listen to you, on the MLK
podcast. Let's find out about that one.
Kyle then tuned in to your podcast for the Next 3, + H
bless you Darren. Thanks, Darren.
Thanks Darren. I don't know what the MLK
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