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Prepare to hear the truth from a
real whistleblower. 

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An American Patriot, here's 
civil liberties enthusiastic. 

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Second Amendment Defender and 
indefinitely suspended. 

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FBI agent. 
Kyle serif. 

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Hello my friends and welcome to 
the Kyle Serafin show. 

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This is going to be our Monday, 
long-form interview and I have a

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special first time double guest 
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These two, I met when I was down
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Veritas event, the American 
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called we got To spend some time
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And their story is very 
compelling. 

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I think you're going to find it.
Highly interesting, I'm going to

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give a quick intro and then 
we'll bring them on the show 

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here. 
So I've got Tara Rodas, she's a 

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20-year civil servant with the 
federal service, which is a lot 

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further than I made it and it's 
probably as far as fed Phil and 

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I combined. 
She's been working in training 

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and professional development for
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master's degree and education. 
Another one in biblical 

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theology, which I'm sure played 
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sees the world and the way she 
reacts she does. 

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And she also speaks Spanish, 
which Why she volunteered for 

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the story that you're going to 
hear here. 

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And just second, I've got 
errands Stevenson as well. 

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Who was a Marine Corps veteran. 
We bring a lot of Marines on. 

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I love marines that are my 
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The United States Marine Corps, 
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Homeland Security. 
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Security is such a big animal. 
He's going to tell you a little 

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bit about how he worked over 
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Worked with the Customs and 
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He recently just was fired from 
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which I totally represent. 
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he got a little different term 
so every agency does it 

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differently when they kick you 
out the door, but we've got a 

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lot of common history there. 
So I'm gonna start with Terror 

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if you want to jump on here. 
Thanks so much for joining us. 

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Aaron. 
Thank you as well. 

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Let's, let's get into it. 
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and how you got to be sitting 
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federal whistleblower. 
Okay, well, I actually grew up 

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in Georgia. 
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My dad was Army and then moved 
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So lived here, almost all my 
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University and actually, they 
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opportunity to intern for a 
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sort of thought. 
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in the world and so I joined 
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bit later after that and I 
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Only because I volunteered in 
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asks for help with the 
humanitarian crisis on the 

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border and that was one of help.
Yeah, that was one of those 

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emails that went out like 
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looking for anybody. 
Like literally anybody like, put

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your hand up in the air and we 
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help out with all the the influx
of migrants correct. 

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Yes. 
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So I thought this was a family 
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raised my hand and I said you 
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kids and so that's how I am 
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I love it. 
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step because I think it's 
interesting people who don't 

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know anything about Virginia, 
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Madison University, correct. 
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not called University of 
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They're all named after founding
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Yes. 
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different, like, a lot of people
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University of Texas at Austin. 
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Dallas. 
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El Paso, whatever it may be, and
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whatever like I used to live 
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They're all part of the Virginia
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state that ever seen that does 
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Yes, my sister graduated from 
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Yeah, I had investigations into 
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No big deal. 
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They're Shady people at every 
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That's the Chinese for you 
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All right, so we're going to get
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guys worked together or how your
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Aaron kind of give me the 
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I know you were in the Marine 
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maybe where you grew up and why 
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out of high school. 
Like, why are you such a genius?

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So I am from Google Annoying, 
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knowing the Mobile County just, 
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And I joined the Marine Corps 
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in the service, always, I was 
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the Army. 
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it's not somebody who's like 
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ideas like no, no, what is that?
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corridor, get that I went down 
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through the cards, like, you 
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brightest service adventure and 
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Yeah, and then the gun he walks 
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at me. 
He's like you gonna be a marine 

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or what and I was like yeah my 
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I've no idea what it was, but it
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Well then that years, I mean 
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Basically it was just kind of 
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Although kanawa I went to Iraq 
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I was mental gai and know. 
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Make the best friends in the 
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A lot of good. 
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the fellow service because I 
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serving country. 
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while so I contracted for a bit.
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ground, salt and center and the 
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three times, learn that - that 
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forensics, and then I finally 
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you know, Kate half years. 
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Sorry, 10 years. 
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those who are listening to our 
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hair that is probably out of 
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Would your recruiting gunny have
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into that Recruiters Office with
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Yeah, definitely. 
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wearing like a polo and khakis 
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interview, right? 
And I still wasn't like enough 

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her. 
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Yeah you want you need to be 
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was 27 and I went in there and I
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first thing I said he spoke to 
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was a little Filipino guy. 
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Nice man. 
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and he said he looked at me like
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the Rosetta Stone and he had no 
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And I said, I need to speak to 
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And he was like, yes. 
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grabbed a master sergeant. 
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this little Irish powerlifter 
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I was like you're my guy. 
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whoever the top recruiter wasn't
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yeah, you need a pie was I was 
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Is the sale. 
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something and I'm not prepared 
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me on the on the military 
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All right, so let's dig in to 
your disclosure, give me the 

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broad overview Terror, if you'll
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your allegation. 
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the meat and potatoes of what 
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Because I know you guys saw 
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very, very different angles, 
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Yeah, yeah, we did. 
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call, the humanitarian call. 
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family reunification program. 
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one child had ever been 
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unaccompanied children program. 
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program. 
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volunteered, I thought it was 
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and helping them feel. 
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long journey and maybe doing 
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And I did that, you know, in the
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needed I would do. 
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to Medical, I would escort them 
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If they needed a child to go to 
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scored them there and when the 
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help in case management. 
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said sure, I'll help with that. 
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there before and it was just 
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instance of what I called, a 
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And I learned after that case 
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there were kids going to the 
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around the country, then I 
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multiple kids and then I 
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Means the child doesn't even 
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going on here but what really 
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Aaron's disclosure on Project 
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criminal organizations were 
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actors and I discovered that and
that was what ultimately got me 

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Was disclosing that know people 
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but when I said well not only 
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trafficking these kids, but 
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actors involved in transnational
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it, and it took them less than 
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The case, accused me of 
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I was actually walked off the 
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was taken. 
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when it's not, A fun experience?
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One of the things you told me 
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none of the people that were 
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you were in were 1811 series, my
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What Phil used to do the 
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you say that they were filtering
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People that volunteer that were 
criminal investigators? 

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So I was told by someone at HHS 
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that they were not allowed to 
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So we're talking about people 
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moving children. 22 homes and 
distributing them all around the

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country with no law enforcement 
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team. 
I mean, these were just regular 

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people. 
They were contractors, some of 

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these were young kids. 
It was their first job they were

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not actually performing 
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So this is stunning. 
It's stunning. 

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Yeah, the way the program is set
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There was no Investigators 
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oversight so this is kind of an 
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I want you guys to put this in 
your heads but what I just found

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out is that the January 6th 
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happening out of Washington 
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historically so far by people 
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the field and you have, you know
various degrees of experience 

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that are doing it. 
They're now moving 30 fresh 

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agents that are all on probation
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because it's the government is 
looking to find. 

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Yes people It sounds like you 
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I want to Pivot over to Erin 
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you moving Erin, you were 
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kids directly, but you were 
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the research end of it. 
Kind of walk people through what

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your job was and then why it was
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Austal USA is where I was 
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We were writing my team. 
We would do like more. 

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We call this strategic analysis,
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problems. 
Whatever is so we kind of have 

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like, you know, a bit of room to
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what's going on here now? 
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also when they constructed with 
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government constructed, the talk
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organized crime. 
Watch list. 

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I held represent usas at DNS to 
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developed. 
Left, how would interact with 

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our operations? 
Like what we would do with the 

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information. 
So from the very GetGo, I was on

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the like program and I was, you 
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it. 
Very intimate knew. 

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I worked everything else. 
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late 2015. 
Early 2016 is the one that seems

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kicking off so fast forward 2.21
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single notification. 
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in the tokoloshe list. 
Like basically does something 

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give this one was just for one 
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transnational. 
National organized crime 

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organizations, so people can get
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Talk what that means and like 
what are these groups? 

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So these are the easiest ones to
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because we talk about some 
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gang, Pious cartel. 
These organizations. 

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There are obviously more. 
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crime group. 
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groups, give other Eastern 
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So basically organizations 
International that you crime 

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across our border. 
That's when I see transnational,

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criminal and disorder, okay? 
And so, for people's historical 

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context of a yeah, I'm going to 
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context if you go back far. 
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things, like the mafia, La Cosa 
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then more modern. 
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that are closer to us which is 
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America or Central America that 
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So, all right, so carry on, I 
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concept of these groups that 
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We're not talking about 
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Z's, these are like professional
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infrastructure and capabilities 
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National borders as well. 
Whenever like somebody with an 

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alien that watch list or a 
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get triggered by a number of 
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If they were pulled over by 
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you know, enter through a Port 
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with USDA is and do an 
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see those may come in basically 
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these things in 2016. 
So I've seen the pattern, I see 

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how it develops. 
I have allowed dog because you 

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hear that, and In 2021. 
It was the thing was February. 

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I saw one to come in and I 
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stay. 
Like to know law enforcement 

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account. 
I didn't say prison isn't 

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arrest, your prisoner release, 
they said, six USC, 279, USC 

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sponsor. 
I was like, what is that? 

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So I copy paste. 
It looked up Google. 

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And it says this, you know, this
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this guy kid knows the date of 
birth? 

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No it's got like 23 years. 
My dad was like. 

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That makes no sense. 
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So about three, four weeks, 
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is weird. 
So I put it in the sand. 

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You know, my entire search 
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we've ever had and those are the
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new thing. 
I was like this is kind of 

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strange that and then for a 
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then it starts. 
I start seeing one about every 

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three to four weeks once coming 
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So I've course are looking into 
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I'm like, I well made maybe 
these are criminals that are 

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going to the government to maybe
find a child. 

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That doesn't make sense, but 
I'll look it up didn't have 

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kids, okay? 
Maybe there's extended family, 

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maybe there's some kind of 
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guy. 
Well, this is make sense at all.

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Then we saw a Romanian guy 
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So I know it's not just like, 
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stuff. 
It's like, no, no, this isn't a 

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national thing. 
And this work is hard to, or 

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inside this work is Port 
understand. 

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This watch list was capped at 
40,000, that's a very, very 

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small number about every month. 
The illegal entries are about 

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almost a quarter million. 
So sorry, it's knows about me 

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about a quarter million is a 
much bigger volume of people. 

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Cross that are criminals that 
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because the way this is 
constructed and I just looking 

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at him like this is the bigger 
problem than you realize. 

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So I looked around and I, you 
know, talk some analysts I, you 

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know, to friends and see is to 
talk to friends and CBT and Ice,

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you know. 
Hey, are you guys writing on 

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this? 
So you guys collecting on this. 

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Like there's got to be something
in this thing, right? 

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And no one had any thing I'm 
going to do a Jay and I knew got

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FBI and I had people out my, 
hey, guys, what's going on? 

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And no one had anything written 
on this thing and then the 

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collection, Firemen got released
by dangerous Ina. 

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That's intelligence analysis. 
It's the component of the total 

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Community from DHS and the 
entire function primer is on 

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there, an organized gang, 
activity, and sex trafficking 

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start tracking as a whole. 
As I mentioned, I was just like,

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okay, so I so, of course, no 
one's writing on this. 

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No one's looking at this thing. 
No one's collecting the 

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information to the little, you 
know, do some analysis, develop 

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some whatever. 
And then like mystery products 

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to be fair, is that, that would 
be me like, That wouldn't 

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surprise people if it's a new 
and emerging threat, that there 

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wouldn't be a big, you know, 
database on it, that there 

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wouldn't be a lot of 
intelligence that had already 

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been gathered, correct? 
I mean, that's, that's how we 

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start things, Somebody's gotta 
identify pack. 

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Yes, but if it's new activity, 
you definitely have a problem 

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is, it's mentioned in always in 
every single on the counter when

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it talks about these gang. 
Yeah, MS-13 involved in sex 

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trafficking casing strings. 
Are they are involved in sex 

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trafficking so we know these 
groups do these things. 

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But it's like, okay, now we're 
seeing it through a new 

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mechanism. 
So why are they using this 

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mechanism done and no? 
Nothing at all, you know, tried 

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talking about it to work. 
Try, bring things up and it was 

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just like, no, this is not, this
is not as sorry as a guy, fine. 

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So, then, you know, No, every 
child project House show, what's

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going on and then they were 
like, yeah, this looks pretty 

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bad. 
Okay, knows that. 

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Now, when you were, you do you 
guys get whistleblower training?

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The way that the FBI does, as 
far as like how to do it, what 

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you what you're supposed to do 
are you know the approved routes

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and so on and and if so what 
does it look like on your end? 

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Because I've gotten those 
trainings for years but I don't 

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know, everyone does. 
They're okay. 

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So yeah, I mean we have the 
standard whistleblower training.

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You know, make sure that you go 
through protected Pathways stuff

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like that, but when you're 
actually really in the middle of

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it and you've never done that 
before and having no 1811 

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background experienced, it was 
challenging. 

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I'm just very fortunate that I 
had come from the IG Community, 

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right? 
So I was reaching out to people 

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who were Helping me, you know, 
they helped me out along the way

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and got me through, you know, to
the right to the right people to

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talk to. 
So yeah, it's funny because a 

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lot of I think a lot of people 
who work in the federal 

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government know that there is a 
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It's just a nebulous concept and
there's no it's not like the 

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mechanics of it are ever 
discussed. 

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So there's a lot of people that 
are actually legally considered 

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to be whistleblowers if they 
bring it up inside their chain 

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of command, like this is a 
problem that they are 

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whistleblowers like that's 
that's part of the the 

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appropriate. 
Chain as described by federal 

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law and yet, none of that stuff 
is ever a distributed to you. 

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Unless they come after you would
retaliate and fire you or do the

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other things they end up doing. 
So most people have no clue. 

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They are, in fact, 
whistleblowers in Aaron, when we

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talk the other night you would 
have qualified under all the 

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things that you talked about, 
bringing it up to your your 

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management structure. 
And the only thing that we keep 

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finding out is that government 
agencies tend to protect 

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themselves and their own 
reputations because that's where

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their budgets are tied. 
They don't really care about 

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problems. 
They care about not problems, 

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they care about not my problem. 
More than anything else, which I

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think you both experienced. 
Yeah II thought about going to 

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know IG just like I knew they 
existed much like an me by the 

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throat, you know, Spirit the 
wall, they'll know what to do 

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and I also know that is 
government since like a long 

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time there and then in the end 
they're going to tell me what I 

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told them and nothing's going to
happen in the meantime. 

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This is this is where really 
kind of bizarre part on you 

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children are being such Rapids. 
Now just like you know what I 

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just it is this is crossing a 
line guys and that was that was 

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enough for me. 
Yeah. 

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There is something about the 
immediacy that if you go into 

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the government channels, it, you
know, for example, the 

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weaponization committee which is
being impaneled right now under 

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the current Congress, they've 
said that they're going to get a

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report on what the FBI has been 
doing wrong in 2025. 

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Meanwhile my family has been 
without a job for like a year 

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and as you probably guys know 
what once you've been kicked out

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of there, you know. 
Thanks for looking into it for 

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two years but we're talking 
about hundreds, maybe thousands 

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and maybe worse children being 
exploited. 

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That's not an acceptable answer,
which is why People like us and 

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up going public with things when
maybe that's not the approved 

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Channel but Humanity sort of 
dictates that we do it the right

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way. 
So Tara you heard about the 

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project, Veritas release that 
Erin was involved in. 

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Did that did that make you aware
of what you were seeing or did 

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it? 
Confirm or how did that move? 

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You spur you into action? 
So it made me aware. 

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So I think I would say, I went 
through the stages of grief 

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about 20 times, you know, while 
I was there. 

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So, first he is seeing the 
suspicious sponsor activity 

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seeing these red flags being 
like, why are multiple kids 

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going to the same address? 
Why are there like a few square 

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miles in Houston Texas where 
there's over 300 unaccompanied 

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children? 
What? 

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What's up with that? 
Is it that we have people who 

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are sponsoring multiple 
children, I mean, how is this 

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happening? 
And so someone then sent me the 

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Senate report all the way back 
from 2016 and I was just beyond 

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horrified to know that there 
were trafficking rings in in the

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United States that were 
trafficking these kids. 

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And that was not new. 
New Goes to the federal 

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government and it was not news 
to HHS and so I was stunned at. 

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That's all I can say just 
absolutely horrified. 

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And then as I read through, the 
Senate report realizing that all

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the deficiencies that the 
committee found then are worse 

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now because all of their rules 
have been relaxed. 

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So HHS put out field guidance 
stating that well we want to try

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to fast-track things so you 
don't Have to ask or do 

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background checks on who may be 
living in the house. 

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You don't actually have to do 
home studies. 

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There's all these rules that 
they relaxed, and I think people

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don't understand that hundreds 
of thousands of children have 

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crossed the border and come into
the care of the federal 

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government and the federal 
government with tax dollars, 10 

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billion. 
It's a matter of fact in the 

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last two years has loaned, those
children all around the country.

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Entry and these children HHS 
says our missing and so this 

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this just doesn't make any 
sense. 

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So I was just horrified. 
So when I saw the video that 

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Aaron put up on Project Veritas 
well that James O'Keefe right? 

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Put up on Project. 
Veritas I thought if this is 

452
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:51,700
happening then my whole world 
view has just you know exploded 

453
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,100
it opened your eyes to what was 
actually happening there. 

454
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

455
00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:00,900
And so it only took less than 
two weeks after seeing Aaron's 

456
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,400
video and I'd circulated around,
you know, the site that we 

457
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,300
found. 
Yeah, we found the first case 

458
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,700
and it was confirmed without a 
doubt. 

459
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:13,900
She's self disclosed she sent in
her adjudication, paperwork 24 

460
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:19,000
pages, she had served time in El
Salvador for her role in the 

461
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,600
gang and was simultaneously 
sponsoring two kids one from 

462
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,700
Fort Bliss and one from one From
our site. 

463
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:31,600
And it was just stunning to me 
stunning to me, and I still 

464
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,900
can't get over it. 
That people know about it that 

465
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:38,900
they've known about it for years
and last week, you know, you 

466
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:44,300
probably saw that. 100, migrant 
children with no less than 100 

467
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:47,300
were found working in 
slaughterhouses throughout the 

468
00:23:47,308 --> 00:23:51,100
United States. 
Some middle schoolers and people

469
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:53,900
wonder how this is happening, 
you know, we keep seeing these 

470
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:56,400
bust. 
Child trafficking, labor 

471
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,400
trafficking, and sex trafficking
and people like how is this 

472
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,000
happening? 
I'm like well your federal 

473
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,100
dollars at work 10 billion 
dollars in two years to bring 

474
00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:10,100
these children in and distribute
them around the country to a lot

475
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:15,400
of serious, Bad actors. 
Now when you when you understood

476
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,400
what was going on there, just 
and I'll come right to you. 

477
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,400
But Tara did how was that 
received when you were sharing 

478
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,500
that video around when you're 
showing? 

479
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,200
What Aaron has disclosed from 
the intelligence side of things,

480
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,100
these are the hard documents 
saying, look, we're now tracking

481
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:31,100
the not the child's side of it, 
but the receiving side of the 

482
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,600
children, what did people at 
DHS? 

483
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Are at at these facilities say 
rather HHS So remember, these 

484
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,500
are federal volunteers like me, 
right? 

485
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:44,000
No law enforcement background 
people in the community, they're

486
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,200
in Pomona, California, because I
was at the Pomona Fairplex, 

487
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,600
emergency intake sight. 
I'm not ashamed to say, we cried

488
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,100
a lot of Tears. 
Okay, so, a lot of times, I felt

489
00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:57,700
like a therapist to people 
because of the situations that 

490
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:01,100
they were seeing and finding out
about what was happening with 

491
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:06,700
the kids. 
So it was a very sad sobering 

492
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000
moment. 
Moment to realize these These 

493
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,400
are children and they are in 
crisis situations and what, you 

494
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,600
know, what could we, what could 
we do? 

495
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,300
So, we were passing everything 
forward, we learned how to pass 

496
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:26,200
things through to office of 
trafficking in persons like, to 

497
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,700
shout out to some great people 
who from USCIS who helped us 

498
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,700
get, you know, trained up on. 
Hey, how do you, how do you 

499
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:35,000
identify this? 
How do you write it up there? 

500
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,100
Specific things you need to 
include You know, to ensure that

501
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,100
it's trafficking and not just 
smuggling. 

502
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,700
So there has to be Force, fraud 
or coercion and so we had to 

503
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:47,100
make sure that when we were 
doing the interviews, we were 

504
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:51,000
finding out those things to put 
in the reports. 

505
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,400
So that, these kids could 
hopefully go to long-term care 

506
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,600
and not to trafficker. 
Okay? 

507
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,600
Erin, you were going to say So 
two things I'll feel. 

508
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800
So those encounters that guy 
that I share with Veritas, which

509
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,500
is the intelligence part, which 
helped you kind of drive out 

510
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,800
things. 
Those invitations, don't go any 

511
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,100
of them to a chest and I checked
in every single one of those. 

512
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,300
My can every single two lines, 
it was everything that was on 

513
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,400
there. 
I'm looking at every domain, not

514
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,900
one was a chest. 
The other part was because Terry

515
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:19,900
Roberts did someone, I was asked
this question. 

516
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,400
Those hundred kids that got you 
know thankfully you know rescued

517
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,000
from the trafficking operation. 
Kyle. 

518
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Do you know what happens to 
those kids? 

519
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:34,000
They get put back in the system.
I imagine the right back into it

520
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,200
and then HHS once we bring them 
back into care, HHS then looks 

521
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,000
for a new sponsor and that and 
that sponsor may be the exact 

522
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,800
same thing. 
They just got rescued from Now 

523
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,900
the good thing is though, is 
that all Terry you did it? 

524
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:54,200
Stay that there was at least one
kid. 

525
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,100
You guys found that like oh yeah
this is trafficking and they did

526
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:58,000
get that. 
What's up letter? 

527
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,500
They didn't get pulled out of a 
sponsor. 

528
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,700
Right? 
Yeah and that's why I said yeah.

529
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,100
There were several children who 
actually did get what's called a

530
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:09,500
interim assistance letter, 
meaning that office of traffic 

531
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,700
trafficking in persons, Also 
suspected that this is, this 

532
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,400
child has been a victim of 
trafficking. 

533
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,700
And then those children went to 
long-term care, which is a 

534
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:26,900
wonderful outcome for the 
children and why is nobody going

535
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,700
after the sponsor, who was 
attempting to get them, right? 

536
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:35,700
So like we know right now, 
they're our sponsors who the 

537
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,600
children we believe are being 
traffic. 

538
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,700
But why isn't anyone going after
any of the sponsor CHS doesn't 

539
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,100
Want anyone looking into the 
background of their sponsors? 

540
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,500
And this is, this is the 
problem, this is the problem. 

541
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:53,100
There's lack of transparency and
HHS has lost control of the 

542
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,600
program. 
That's the bottom line, they 

543
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,800
lost control and they don't want
to admit it and that's if they 

544
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,200
would just come clean, share the
data. 

545
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,400
Then we could, we could recover 
these kids and they know that. 

546
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,700
Yeah, they would have to do 
something that government 

547
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,200
agencies don't do, which is 
admit wrongdoing, or a failure 

548
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,600
of a program and then say, how 
do we take steps to fix this? 

549
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,500
It's much easier to try and 
ignore it. 

550
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,900
And act like it didn't happen. 
That seems like the standard 

551
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,600
government move. 
I think we've all experienced it

552
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,600
in different departments so it 
is there a law enforcement 

553
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,700
capability within HHS that would
actually have responsibility? 

554
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:35,300
Or would that fall back on FBI 
you know CBP some entity and DHS

555
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,800
HSI, something like that. 
Where would this fall? 

556
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,100
If there was a law enforcement 
action to be taken? 

557
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,300
I don't know. 
Who knows either of you. 

558
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,900
Yeah. 
So I'll start and then I'll let 

559
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,600
Aaron follow-up. 
So HHS office of Inspector, 

560
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,000
General, I mean they have great 
agents who would be all over 

561
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,100
this if they had access to the 
information they wouldn't go 

562
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,100
after the kids per se. 
I mean they wouldn't be going 

563
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,700
after the traffickers. 
Yes, they could easily be going 

564
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,700
after the traffickers. 
Okay, they could. 

565
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:09,500
And they do kick endorse and and
recover children, they do that 

566
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:11,800
as well. 
Okay, there are some amazing 

567
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,500
people in the office of 
Inspector General for HHS. 

568
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:21,100
The problem is the agency, does 
not want anyone looking at their

569
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:26,000
sponsors and I'm not quite sure 
how they get around this, how 

570
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,200
they're able to Have such lack 
of oversight and transparency. 

571
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,600
So many of the sponsors are not 
US citizens and they are not 

572
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,500
permanent residents. 
Most have no legal presence. 

573
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,100
So they are they claim, you 
know, they don't want anyone 

574
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:49,100
going after the sponsors hence 
they just hide it all the data. 

575
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:55,600
Whoa, okay, so they're not lprs 
there, they're not green card 

576
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800
holders, they have no legal 
status in this country and yet 

577
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,800
we're more than happy to go send
children to go be with them. 

578
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,300
And and then you're saying and 
they're obviously not citizens 

579
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,300
either. 
So these people are illegally in

580
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:12,600
this country, taking children 
who have come across probably in

581
00:30:12,608 --> 00:30:15,200
some illegal situation. 
They were not coming across 

582
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:17,800
illegally otherwise they would 
have a family or a landing pad 

583
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,700
and we were literally feeding 
this dirty with undocumented who

584
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:24,500
knows where the heck they're 
going children. 

585
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,000
So okay, I'm going to, I'm going
to pick something off you guys 

586
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,800
because this is something I saw 
when we worked MS-13 type 

587
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,300
operations in where we at in 
Maryland for the most part. 

588
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,500
Let's say so you talked about a 
few square miles of where you 

589
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:41,200
were seeing all the trafficking 
happen, what we would see is 

590
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,300
they were enclaves of take your,
take your pick, whether they 

591
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,300
were from El Salvador, Guatemala
or whatever, their enclaves of 

592
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:51,600
illegal immigrants in And or if 
they're in Washington DC or 

593
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,400
whatever these little kind of 
areas that they would all kind 

594
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,300
of take over, and a lot of those
were. 

595
00:30:55,308 --> 00:30:57,900
No go zones for most law 
enforcement especially locally 

596
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,500
without big resources because 
they could be incredibly 

597
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,000
violent. 
They have you know, Lookouts 

598
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,400
they had kids that were working 
on their behalf, you know, they 

599
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600
were doing things running it, 
like a compound. 

600
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,200
And the way that I always argued
for people that are very leftist

601
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,100
leaning or very Progressive, or 
liberal, whatever you want to 

602
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,900
call it, they would say we were 
trying to let people come to 

603
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:17,200
this country to have 
opportunity. 

604
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:20,300
But in reality, what we saw was 
that people would get Over the 

605
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:21,400
Border. 
They would come into these 

606
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800
little enclaves and then they 
were victims. 

607
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,000
Let's say, it was only one in a 
hundred was a predator. 

608
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,200
Part of the, you know, criminal 
gang that the, the transnational

609
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,900
organized crime groups, those 
people now have a captive victim

610
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:35,100
population with no access to law
enforcement. 

611
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,800
No language skills, no 
understanding of what 

612
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
protections they may be entitled
to, and they can be trafficked, 

613
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,400
they can be exploited, we saw a 
bunch of extortion, where 

614
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,500
somebody would open up a small 
business, which was illegal, 

615
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:47,900
they would have like a, like a, 
like a little kiosk out of their

616
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,400
minivan. 
They drive around a Costco and 

617
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,900
buy beer and And stuff like 
that. 

618
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,400
Then they go sell and all their 
neighbors. 

619
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,600
And then the drug traffickers or
the MS-13 members would come and

620
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,700
say, you owe me, 20 bucks a week
or we're going to kill your 

621
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,200
husband. 
And once a year, they would kill

622
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,400
somebody husband. 
Just let him know they were 

623
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,200
serious because they were plenty
of people always coming in. 

624
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,900
So, they had this captive victim
population and were trafficking 

625
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:10,200
children on a federal dollars. 
You said, ten billion dollars 

626
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,300
over two years. 
We are sending children into 

627
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:14,600
these these hellhole. 
So, they're leaving a hell hole 

628
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000
somewhere, trying to find a 
better life, which we can all 

629
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,800
empathize with even if it's not 
legal, and then they end up in, 

630
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,300
exactly. 
Zaki the same situation may be 

631
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,900
worse because there's no 
possibility of escaping out of 

632
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:24,600
it. 
This is where they thought they 

633
00:32:24,608 --> 00:32:26,800
were getting free. 
And now they're in it, being 

634
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,700
either sex trafficked or traffic
for labor and my more or less 

635
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:34,200
accurately stating that that's 
written that was spot on. 

636
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,900
That's gross on every level. 
And this should be a, this 

637
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,400
should be a nonpartisan issue. 
And I don't, we've never talked 

638
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,800
about either ways that you guys 
vote. 

639
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,700
And I didn't doesn't really 
matter to me, honestly, because 

640
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,700
this is about human beings that 
are finding themselves. 

641
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,900
They are looking for an 
opportunity which I said, I'm 

642
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,000
not real crazy about people 
doing it the wrong way and yet, 

643
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,900
nobody should be okay with it. 
Because all it's doing is moving

644
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,700
people from One victim situation
to potentially a worst victim 

645
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,900
situation because they actually 
had high hopes that they were 

646
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,200
coming out of something 
terrible, and they don't have 

647
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,200
any family. 
They don't have whatever Network

648
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,100
or connections or anything they 
know about or even common 

649
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:11,100
language. 
When you go into these places 

650
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,500
the minute you get out of these 
little these little enclaves, 

651
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,500
you're in Houston, Texas, or 
you're in Casa de Maryland then 

652
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,500
suddenly you're just in like the
outskirts of Baltimore, the 

653
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,900
outskirts of DC, not everybody 
speaks Spanish. 

654
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,400
So their screw they have nowhere
to run like they're isolated in 

655
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
these little compounds and they 
can't escape. 

656
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:31,100
Yeah, yeah. 
And Kyle something that I a lot 

657
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,800
of people don't know and I was 
shocked to find out is a 

658
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600
majority of the children. 
Are coming in from Guatemala. 

659
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:42,700
Okay, a lot of the children 
speak a Mayan dialect. 

660
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Now, I'm a fluent Spanish 
speaker. 

661
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,100
I've sat in, to listen, right 
with the interpreters. 

662
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:54,400
These Mayan dialects, like, 
catch a mom, other things, they 

663
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,900
sound more like Arabic, then 
they do Spanish. 

664
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,200
I mean, it's to the point where 
I could not even understand one 

665
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,100
word. 
So, sometimes our our little 

666
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:08,000
ones who were coming in from 
Guatemala, they couldn't speak 

667
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,800
Spanish with the other kids. 
So, think about it, you've got a

668
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,199
child who you brought in here? 
Who is they bring them because 

669
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,000
they can victimize them. 
They can't ask for help in 

670
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,900
English. 
Neither, can they ask for help 

671
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:26,100
in Spanish? 
They are completely vulnerable 

672
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:30,300
and it is absolutely 
unconscionable unconscionable. 

673
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,500
Now, someone in d.c. is looking 
at a spreadsheet, right? 

674
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,800
That's got all the, a numbers, 
you know, the alien numbers of 

675
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,900
the children, I'm looking into 
the faces of these little kids, 

676
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,699
right? 
It is the most horrifying. 

677
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,800
I, I cannot, I could never 
express in words, just how 

678
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,699
horrifying it is to know that. 
That these children are being 

679
00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:55,800
victimized and there's no one to
help them and we need to do 

680
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,800
better as the federal government
period end of story. 

681
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,700
This is just, it's just 
unacceptable. 

682
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,900
Well, it's also one of those 
things where like are in your 

683
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,300
that your the Intel side of this
likes you you're seeing data but

684
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:09,900
you can translate data into real
you know your Marine Corps 

685
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,500
experience lets you see 
information and translate it 

686
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,900
into downrange. 
What's happening Tara's actually

687
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,500
seeing the physical people, 
right? 

688
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,300
So your end of it, what were you
seeing? 

689
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,900
Well you know, You're what were 
you Translating that to and what

690
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,300
did you see as being like the 
operational and that was that 

691
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:30,300
was being done on on DHS side? 
Mom not just to answer that back

692
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:33,700
at first nothing was being done 
by my side as far as what you 

693
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,300
can see though and the pattern 
was immediate right away. 

694
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,600
First off the duration, you're 
seeing like in kind of assistant

695
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,400
pattern, but it only started 
again in February 20 21 or five 

696
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,800
years prior to this, not one of 
these cases. 

697
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,100
So there was an indicator of 
like, okay, this is an activity,

698
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:50,700
which they're trying to 
obviously exploit for whatever 

699
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,900
reasons to is. 
There's also there was a pattern

700
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,700
of their immigration status a 
they're all legal, but being the

701
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:01,000
They also were all trying to use
the pets of Asylum. 

702
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,900
And this is the mechanism that 
they use being screened by 

703
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,600
credible, fear reasonable fear, 
which can keep you in the 

704
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,400
country. 
And it's like, okay, well then 

705
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,700
I'll go see an immigration 
judge. 

706
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,900
Then I'll get my Asylum claim or
not and that that can take up to

707
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,100
like three, four, five years. 
So that's our ticket to go to 

708
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,000
stay in the country to conduct 
this activity. 

709
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:22,300
But the fact that this is also 
happening across through three 

710
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,200
different groups across four 
different countries. 

711
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:26,700
This is a remaining Groove from 
Romania. 

712
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,300
This was 18. 
Street gang and MS-13 from 

713
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:31,800
Honduras. 
El Salvador Mexico. 

714
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,800
So it's like okay this is a much
missed a much broader thing 

715
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,300
going on. 
This is maybe a who knows what? 

716
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:38,400
But it's like, let's look into 
this. 

717
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,900
A lot of questions we can ask. 
We can collect certain things 

718
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,100
and, you know, kind of a narrow 
this thing down a little bit. 

719
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,100
And it was a no How do you 
attribute, the, the date that 

720
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,700
you just mentioned, February the
month of February, and 2021. 

721
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:55,500
And then also the fact that 
there was this tie-in between 

722
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:59,100
multiple transnational, 
organized crime groups, you 

723
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:00,800
know, are they comparing notes 
and why? 

724
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,400
Then why do you think oh 
definitely. 

725
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,800
We know that compared notes 
first off, when you talk to the 

726
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,000
aliens for the, for the adults 
for the male's, for the biscuit,

727
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,900
the gang members, they have the 
same sort of civil time right 

728
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:15,300
now. 
The common Trent, and I talked 

729
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,900
to some officers become a truck,
then I was like, oh yeah, 

730
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:20,300
everyone's saying that they're 
gay, and then that's their claim

731
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:21,800
for persecution in their home 
country. 

732
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,300
So, apparently, just now is, now
is the way of all schedule 

733
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,600
coming up. 
But like, for example, when they

734
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,500
in there, anybody saw the 
Mobsters by policy by law, they 

735
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,100
are required to get a transcript
of their interview. 

736
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:35,600
So now, they have every single 
question and a complete line of 

737
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,400
questioning of what to do when 
they're confronted by some 

738
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,400
officers. 
That's why everyone's story. 

739
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,500
It's like it doesn't just change
over time. 

740
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,100
It's like you see an immediate 
like okay. 

741
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,100
He's the new story. 
Okay, here's the new you, it's 

742
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,100
so obvious. 
Asylum officers know that 

743
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,800
talking as well. 
There is obvious fraud going on 

744
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,400
and I'm dig, they level, we just
don't care. 

745
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,700
They want the people coming in. 
It doesn't matter to them. 

746
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,500
And what do you think? 
The significance of February 21?

747
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,300
I have a an instinct but I'm 
curious what your games and 

748
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,200
ministration that she went from 
Trump to Biden straight up. 

749
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,400
Also, by the way, this is 
another thing to talking about, 

750
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,700
you know, the contractors that 
work for HHS that do all the 

751
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,900
case management, you know, as 
Tara said, like, there's a lot 

752
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:20,000
of policy that goes into place. 
So, it is kind of complex can 

753
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,500
get very, very confusing. 
Especially this is not like your

754
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,600
job, you just contractor, kind 
of coming in working for six 

755
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,900
months, then leaving a job, 
right? 

756
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:30,900
Right? 
There are in February 20 21 and 

757
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,100
then a thing in March, 20 21, 
they made two notifications of 

758
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,400
real changing of how to collect 
information and how to use that 

759
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,700
information for case managers 
and I'm not kidding there. 

760
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,300
I'll send these links to you 
because they look rather 

761
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,400
Insidious to me, looking at it. 
Now by talking about removing 

762
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,200
the safety plan section, talking
about reducing the number of 

763
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,600
questions, you asked to the 
child of how they feel for their

764
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,900
safety down. 
To one question of, do you have 

765
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,000
any concerns like these are 
things? 

766
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,900
Writing put in place at HHS, one
of these things came out the day

767
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:03,600
after Biden, was inaugurated, 
HHS mix of notice to change the 

768
00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:06,300
rules. 
It's like okay Britain is a 

769
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,500
really but also then according 
to Administration, there was no 

770
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:11,500
emergency. 
So why are they making this big 

771
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:13,300
change? 
All the sudden we knew and the 

772
00:39:13,308 --> 00:39:16,400
tellin slide we knew there was a
border run coming because we 

773
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,900
already saw the reporting back. 
Remember the earliest one being 

774
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,600
about January? 
I think 8th 9th. 

775
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,000
May, the 10th that big rooms are
coming up cbp's, published in 

776
00:39:24,008 --> 00:39:26,000
these things or unclassified. 
It doesn't, you know it. 

777
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,000
It reaches everybody and is 
saying there are major groups 

778
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,400
forming right now and they are 
in route, then they were coming 

779
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,900
over because their economy is 
suffering past year, these 

780
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,700
people are hurting financially, 
so you're going to see a big big

781
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,700
push of people that just want to
click them. 

782
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:42,100
And so now, see POC DP. 
What are short? 

783
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,500
They can't process these cases 
with efficiency anymore. 

784
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,300
It's just. 
All right. 

785
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,000
Get them through and get in 
there and see a notice to 

786
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,700
appear. 
That's all it is. 

787
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,700
Also the other part too, is that
so much this was fueled by 

788
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,300
social media and Twitter 
Facebook WhatsApp. 

789
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,700
And yet, why were there no Tech 
answers from Twitter Facebook. 

790
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,200
Because we know that they were 
pushing out, you know, vaccine 

791
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Corrections and covid 
Corrections and, you know, 

792
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,200
election corrections. 
But no apparently you can form 

793
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,600
Caravans in which they were 
saying like, yeah, go up there. 

794
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,800
You get a silent. 
No problem. 

795
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,900
It's like, well, that's not true
and you guys know that's not 

796
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:15,600
true. 
But where is the government? 

797
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,000
You know? 
Yeah. 

798
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,100
Where's the misinformation 
correction there, right? 

799
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,600
Let me, let me ask you a 
question that I've seen a bunch 

800
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,300
and I've never had a great 
answer for but I'm guessing you 

801
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,200
have more visibility to it. 
The question always comes up 

802
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,100
when they talk about these 
Caravans and I recall those 

803
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,500
notices, by the way, of them 
forming in fact wearing things 

804
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,600
like, you know, Biden let us in 
with their logo from The 

805
00:40:34,607 --> 00:40:38,700
Campaign, which was very 
suspicious, like, okay who is 

806
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:43,600
paying for, who is running these
operations of massive Caravan 

807
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,800
formation. 
And, and it is it a single group

808
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,900
of people or is this like like, 
you know, like just a movement 

809
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,200
that is organically forming. 
Do you have an instinct on that?

810
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,800
Organic not unless they cancel, 
it comes to the cartels. 

811
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:00,500
So now, I'm not saying this is 
represent a group that was a 

812
00:41:00,508 --> 00:41:01,400
million. 
Sure. 

813
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,500
But now this is operated by the 
cartels because they have to go 

814
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:08,200
through cartel country and then 
that means I gotta pee and so 

815
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,500
they could be cloudy groups that
don't work for cartels but they 

816
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:11,900
know. 
Okay, this is your highway. 

817
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,400
I got to pay it here ago, cool. 
So no, yeah, this is, this is 

818
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,800
still around crime. 
From that part alone. 

819
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,900
They are The Gatekeepers to this
process. 

820
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:22,600
So, even if the cartels are not 
the ones, organizing it, they 

821
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,200
are still the ones that are 
facilitating it. 

822
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,900
Because They're the pass-through
and they're going to, you know, 

823
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:29,400
Aggregate and then move these 
these units through is your sort

824
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,600
of your contention at least from
what you've seen and and yep. 

825
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,600
And every head is a cost share 
when every cost and if it does 

826
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,800
kind of range shooter, some 
people say it's like you know as

827
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,200
little as 1,400 I've seen it 
between eight and ten thousand 

828
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,400
dollars per head, that's a lot 
of money when you go over time 

829
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,400
and so the accurate number as 
far as border. 

830
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200
Crossings it's not with 
ministration, you know, says it 

831
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,300
is of about like two and a half,
whatever it is a year the closer

832
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:55,500
number of for all Are people 
coming over. 

833
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,400
So this is people, you know, 
actually encountered people who 

834
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
were not encountered, they can 
see him getting away. 

835
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,200
People that were picked up on 
video and then other people 

836
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,100
there, they're not put them on 
video because the algorithm 

837
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,700
couldn't read them. 
You had all those things 

838
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:08,700
together. 
Border patrol knows this. 

839
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,800
It's about give or take 5 5 and 
a half million a year. 

840
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,200
That's that Maggie. 
This is a big-money a, yes, yes,

841
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,200
it's a huge money effort. 
And Kyle I will say the case 

842
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,400
that got me thrown off the 
Pomona intake site. 

843
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:29,700
Involved, 24 children who came 
across as a group from El 

844
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:36,200
Salvador with a female coyote. 
And a lot of the kids were going

845
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,000
to Ohio but then others were 
being distributed around the 

846
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,500
country. 
And we know that they had this. 

847
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:48,800
This gang affiliation. 
We know this because the kids 

848
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,100
had said so and so the fact that
that's what got kicked me off 

849
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:58,400
the Off the site. 
I'm like, That's pretty drastic 

850
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,000
to take a federal volunteer 
who's putting forth serious 

851
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:10,600
allegations regarding the safety
of children that as soon as this

852
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,300
whole MS-13 case, came up that 
just was that was just too much 

853
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,200
for them to deal with. 
Because I said, hey look, this 

854
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,600
involves 20. 
This is like 24 kids and so 

855
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,300
what's happening here? 
And that was yeah. 

856
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:29,300
That's not something they wanted
people to to know about, it 

857
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,000
makes sense and they are one 
thing please. 

858
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200
And there were you the only one 
who removes from Pomona? 

859
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,400
Yep. 
Yep. 

860
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,200
And it put a large chilling 
effect. 

861
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:42,500
Yeah, on people I talked to 
somebody last night who worked 

862
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:48,000
in background and she she said 
Tara we just we didn't even know

863
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,200
what to do when they walked you 
off the side. 

864
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,300
I mean they did it midday yolk a
big spectacle and they said, you

865
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:57,100
know, we felt so we just felt so
alone. 

866
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:58,900
Yeah. 
I was the only one who was who 

867
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:02,600
was walked off the site. 
I want to get into that story 

868
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,500
because walk, but yeah, I want 
to get to that story. 

869
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,200
I think that I think that is one
of the really important things 

870
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,300
that people understand which 
they don't, you get a lot of 

871
00:44:11,308 --> 00:44:12,600
this. 
Why aren't more people speaking 

872
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,800
out? 
Like, what's gonna, you know, 

873
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,600
how we're all the brave people? 
And the answer is it's 

874
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
complicated and I try to explain
that in a way. 

875
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,200
I'm going to tell you my quick 
story. 

876
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:23,400
I on April 18th, what in I had a
conversation with my former 

877
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,900
boss. 
You know, I'd already knew that 

878
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:27,800
I was a Marked Man within the 
FBI and that was fine. 

879
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,900
And then I had a, my S CC, the 
special agent in charge from 

880
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:35,300
Albuquerque drive, three and a 
half hours with his Lieutenant, 

881
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:37,700
who's called a assistant special
agent in charge the two of them 

882
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:40,000
showed up with no. 
Notice at my office didn't even 

883
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,800
tell my boss, that they were 
coming rolled in pulled me into 

884
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,500
a conference room. 
And then took my badge, my gun, 

885
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:47,400
you know, my authorities, all 
the other things, my 

886
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,500
credentials, all these kind of 
deals. 

887
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,800
And then, you know, walked me 
over to my desk, to collect my 

888
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,400
personal items and marched me 
out the door as you guys say. 

889
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,700
Like it's a chilling effect. 
Everybody gets to see it. 

890
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,600
It was at 11:00. 
When they showed up, it was 

891
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,500
about noon by the time I walked 
out everybody's in the Office, 

892
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:05,000
nobody missed the day and they 
drove me home and my own work 

893
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000
vehicle and, you know, kicked me
out of my own work vehicle, 

894
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,200
which they took away with them. 
And then ask me for some 

895
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,100
additional magazines for my, for
my handgun, which was funny 

896
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
because I pulled down a bear in 
a bin, I have a lot of guns and 

897
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,200
or what people think are a lot 
of guns that. 

898
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,900
So I pulled down this bin and I 
probably had like 100 plus 

899
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:21,800
magazines in there and I was 
like looking for their as I was 

900
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,900
like, I don't know where yours 
are in here but I pull them out 

901
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:25,800
and like here you go, you can 
take these two and get out of my

902
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,700
get off my property. 
My wife was so disgusted by what

903
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,000
would happen? 
She put my body armor out on the

904
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:33,200
Mailbox. 
So they didn't come on the 

905
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,400
property and while she was 
inside it fell over, my wife is 

906
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,600
a champ, it fell over, it was 
like sitting in the road I lived

907
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,300
out in the middle of nowhere so 
didn't matter but like it was 

908
00:45:42,308 --> 00:45:44,100
sitting in the middle of the 
road when they drove up she says

909
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,700
FBI body armor laying there. 
But the whole point like you 

910
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:48,400
mentioned is that chilling 
effect. 

911
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,700
That letting everybody see that 
they're making an example, like 

912
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:55,000
this is what happens. 
And you know they They're 

913
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,400
they're making a very strong 
message sent with one Exemplar 

914
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,200
and then everybody else gets the
message. 

915
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,800
Very clearly. 
So walk me through what that day

916
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,700
was because I'm sure you have a 
vivid memory of it. 

917
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:06,600
You know what, it was your 
normal morning. 

918
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,000
And when did this kickoff and, 
and you know what, were the face

919
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,700
of your colleagues, as you left 
out, I give me the whole story 

920
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,400
here. 
Yeah, so so picture this, I mean

921
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,900
it's a huge Ballroom that were 
working in so it's a huge 

922
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:23,300
Ballroom, it's open. 
So there are tables and case 

923
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,400
managers. 
On one side and then the 

924
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,400
children come in and sit on the 
other side. 

925
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,900
So it was just rows of tables 
and a completely open space. 

926
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,900
So yeah. 
So on this day, the federal 

927
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:40,900
field specialist, he actually 
saw me in the hallway and said, 

928
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:42,800
hey, can I talk to you? 
And I'm and he's with his 

929
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,900
security person but I, you know,
I don't think anything about it.

930
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,700
He was always asking me about 
the, the high-level cases 

931
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:51,600
because I was mainly working 
trafficking. 

932
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,500
I mean he actually called me 
CSI. 

933
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:56,800
And I told him I said you know I
appreciate that I think that's 

934
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,500
awesome. 
I said but you do understand I'm

935
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:02,400
not an investigator and we do 
need investigators here so it 

936
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,800
would be great if we could get 
some FBI people or Homeland 

937
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,900
Security investigations are 
hhs-oig. 

938
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,300
I was always saying we need real
investigators here. 

939
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,700
So anyway so he stopped me as 
normal. 

940
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:15,200
Hey can I talk to you? 
I'm like sure. 

941
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,200
Yeah he says well let me see if 
a conference room is open and it

942
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,900
wasn't. 
So we went outside and sat on 

943
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:26,900
the bench and he said Tara, he 
said I But to say that you are 

944
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:30,400
being accused of a violation of 
the code of conduct, and I was 

945
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,000
like, what first of all, there's
no code of conduct, you know, 

946
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,100
put anywhere. 
And I could not even imagine 

947
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:39,400
what thing I could have 
violated. 

948
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,500
And I said really my goodness, 
what what what am I being 

949
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:46,000
accused of doing? 
And he said well we understand 

950
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,700
that you made a donation to some
age outs and a jury 

951
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,600
determinations and I said well 
yeah actually I did. 

952
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:58,300
I said and I have talked to my 
ethics counsel about it who put 

953
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:04,300
me to hhs's council about it. 
I said because just to go back 

954
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:10,200
and age out is a child who turns
18 while they're in the program?

955
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,300
That means immediately. 
Right? 

956
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,400
Then that's it. 
They are no longer an 

957
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,700
unaccompanied minor and they are
released from the site into 

958
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,800
regular population in the United
States, okay? 

959
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,700
So you're animating you made a 
contribution to someone that you

960
00:48:26,707 --> 00:48:29,700
basically saw that the system 
had managed to fail essentially 

961
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:31,200
like while they were in it. 
Yes. 

962
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,100
And then they were just kicked 
out into the world. 

963
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:35,300
It's like, well, now that you've
met reach this magical number, 

964
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:36,900
you're no longer important to 
us. 

965
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:40,500
And so you made a personal 
contribution, which I think the 

966
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,700
government sees as free speech 
and less. 

967
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,900
I don't understand how civil how
the Supreme Court cases work, 

968
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,400
but you can give money. 
And that's free speech, right? 

969
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Yes your yeah. 
Yeah. 

970
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400
And you're not allowed to give 
money to the children who Who 

971
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,700
are unaccompanied minors. 
Sure. 

972
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,000
But you can to any person who's 
no longer right on the side, so 

973
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,200
that person could have had a 
Gibson. 

974
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,500
Go for all it matters that you 
could have been making a 

975
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:06,500
contribution in any way you 
wanted and nobody would ever 

976
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:08,800
think twice about it. 
Yes. 

977
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,300
Okay, so this is a put-up job. 
Yeah. 

978
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:13,300
People were always raising 
money. 

979
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:18,500
They were giving to to fly kids 
before they turned 18 to make 

980
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,700
sure they got to their 
destination, you know, all kinds

981
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:22,900
of stuff, which I know I 
couldn't do. 

982
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:25,800
No, I couldn't do that. 
But so I was making this 

983
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,700
donation with the the highest 
level person on the site 

984
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:34,100
responsible for the kids. 
It was the Child Welfare 

985
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:38,600
director. 
And so only, he knew that I was 

986
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,800
making any donations. 
And the reason that I was making

987
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,000
donations is because a lot of 
these kids, the majority were 

988
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,700
coming from Guatemala. 
They're not on the US dollar 

989
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,700
right at El, Salvador's on the 
dollar, but Guatemala's on the 

990
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:53,500
kicks out. 
Ali. 

991
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,100
So, if they came across the 
border and all they have is 

992
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,100
kicks Ali's. 
They can't even eat for the day.

993
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,500
And I thought, this is just 
horrible. 

994
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:04,600
So, I was making donations 9. 
Anyone, on my team new, nobody 

995
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,400
knew because I don't believe, 
you know, don't let your right 

996
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,300
hand. 
Know what your left hand is 

997
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,100
doing. 
There's a theology Pika. 

998
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,500
Yeah. 
So I was secretly making 

999
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,800
donations with the child welfare
director. 

1000
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:23,800
And so anyway, he said I think 
that was the thing that They 

1001
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,000
didn't realize that I had 
reached out to ethics to find 

1002
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,700
out what I could and could not 
do and I even they looked at 

1003
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:34,900
each other even when I said that
I said, well, of course I made 

1004
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:36,700
the donations. 
Yes, they're not part of the 

1005
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:40,300
program and it's legal to do. 
There's no, there's no problem 

1006
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,500
here. 
There were all kinds of things. 

1007
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:46,300
I tried to help with in certain 
circumstances with the children,

1008
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:53,100
sometimes family would fail the 
the the approval process. 

1009
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,100
Yes, we had a situation where 
someone was in Enterprise 

1010
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:01,700
Alabama, which was a no send 
Zone, because they so many kids 

1011
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:05,700
were going there and they had to
do a home study before a child 

1012
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,300
could go. 
And the dad failed, the home 

1013
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:12,000
study because the the living 
conditions. 

1014
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,200
And so I was actually trying to 
help at the direction of people 

1015
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,000
on the site is there. 
Another place. 

1016
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Could we help relocate the dad? 
So that the, he could be 

1017
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,200
reunited. 
And so there were all kinds of 

1018
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,700
Things. 
I was always helping with but 

1019
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,900
that was one thing that I really
thought was horrible, that we're

1020
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:32,300
bringing kids here and then 
we're just kicking them out into

1021
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,900
the world. 
And I mean, you're and you have 

1022
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,300
an altruistic heart. 
Clearly like this is the reason 

1023
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:39,300
why you volunteered for this 
particular program, there's no 

1024
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:42,000
doubt like I can, if you haven't
seen our Rumble Channel, folks 

1025
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
go to rumble Channel. 
You can see tears face. 

1026
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:45,400
You can see what she believes 
in. 

1027
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,600
You can see the way she's 
talking. 

1028
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,000
And I think that's I think 
that's a powerful thing. 

1029
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,900
That's why we do it on video as 
well, but you're out there 

1030
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,700
trying to do something that, you
know, No is right. 

1031
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:56,800
In a world full of wrong 
understanding that the 

1032
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,700
government has many failures, 
but that doesn't mean that it's 

1033
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:00,100
not made of people who have good
Hearts. 

1034
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,300
So, you're trying to do this 
thing, they obviously got you 

1035
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,500
with something that is a, that 
is nonsensical. 

1036
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,900
I feel very similar about the 
way they came after me. 

1037
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,400
That was a, that was a cover for
Action. 

1038
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,500
For What the actual action was, 
what was the result of the end 

1039
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,000
of that conversation, you're 
sitting on a bench. 

1040
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,800
He tells you, you've got ethics 
violations, you know, you don't 

1041
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,900
then what right? 
He said. 

1042
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:24,400
So what I'm going to need you to
do then is Write a statement 

1043
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,900
about how you gave the donations
and why you gave the donation. 

1044
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:29,600
So I'm like, great. 
Okay, no problem. 

1045
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,300
So I think you know, I'm just 
going back to work and he said 

1046
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:36,200
and we're just going to let you 
do that from your hotel and I'm 

1047
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,200
like, you know, I got lots of 
cases. 

1048
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,100
I'm working on he's like nope, 
this is the priority will let 

1049
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,800
you do this from the hotel and I
thought, I thought that was kind

1050
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:50,200
of weird, but I still had not 
caught on to the fact that they 

1051
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,500
were retaliating against me yet.
Right. 

1052
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Aaron is grinning right now 
because he knows exactly what 

1053
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,500
this means. 
Because this is something you 

1054
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:59,000
learn very early on in the 
military. 

1055
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,100
You learn it. 
On in other agencies is like, 

1056
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,800
once they start separating you 
from the group. 

1057
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,400
There's a reason why this is not
an accident. 

1058
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,800
Yeah, so it's funny looking back
now but so I still didn't know 

1059
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000
what was happening yet and so I 
I said, okay. 

1060
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,300
All right, no problem. 
So we're walking back in to the 

1061
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,700
into the building and as we're 
getting ready to get to the 

1062
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:24,200
huge, we had these huge double 
doors to go into the Ballroom, 

1063
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,200
I'd he said, by the way, why 
don't you just collect all your 

1064
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,000
things? 
And I said, oh my thanks, he 

1065
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,700
says, yeah, anything that's 
personal. 

1066
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,600
He said, just collect all of 
your personal items and I 

1067
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,200
remember, right? 
Then at that moment, I was like,

1068
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,700
oh, this is not good. 
No, that's a sinking feeling on 

1069
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,500
that when that comes down. 
Yeah, I had that sinking feeling

1070
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:50,200
and so, you know, next thing, 
you know, at this point, my 

1071
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:55,700
heart is racing and, you know, 
I'm I'm walking back in and 

1072
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,900
people who know me know, I'm 
pretty chipper and happy and 

1073
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:02,600
they could see the look on my 
face. 

1074
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:08,000
And so, I'm collecting my stuff 
and one of the girls beside me, 

1075
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,200
she's she was looking at me, she
had was new had rotated on to 

1076
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,000
the team. 
She'd been there there about 

1077
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,900
three weeks. 
I said, remember when I told you

1078
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,000
that when I get walked off the 
site, it's going to be for 

1079
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,100
trafficking. 
I said, well, I'm being walked 

1080
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,600
off for trafficking and she 
looked at me So I collected all 

1081
00:54:24,607 --> 00:54:28,900
my things and I'm walking out, 
and, of course, all my friends 

1082
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:32,800
are looking and they're 
horrified as we're walking out 

1083
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,400
and going down the stairs, the 
federal field specialist, he's 

1084
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,000
trying to make small talk with 
me. 

1085
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,100
You know, how did you enjoy 
being in caliph or nia? 

1086
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,000
My God. 
And I said, Phil, Phil has a 

1087
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,200
whole story about this, by the 
way, it's the worst. 

1088
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:52,000
I said it is, it's awful. 
And I said, I'm just curious, 

1089
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,900
are you Considering sending me 
home and he's like, well, you 

1090
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:00,200
know, that that could 
potentially happen and I said, 

1091
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,600
you know, I've been a federal 
employee almost 19 years at this

1092
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,600
point. 
I said, are you saying this 

1093
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,500
could potentially affect my 
career? 

1094
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:11,300
He's like, well, that's 
possible. 

1095
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:16,100
But, you know, I don't think so.
And I, I mean, at this point, I 

1096
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:21,700
am just completely panicked. 
I at this point I'm like ready 

1097
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:24,700
hyperventilating like, oh, Oh my
gosh, what's about to happen? 

1098
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,800
And so we get to the place where
we badge in. 

1099
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,400
So we're walking and having this
nice conversation and he said, 

1100
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,900
you know, well, we're going to 
investigate and I said, 

1101
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:39,400
investigate this. 
That's when then I really, I 

1102
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,900
thought, okay, cannot get any 
worse than this and as I hand my

1103
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:49,000
badge to badge out, they took it
in special assessment, we can 

1104
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,900
just give that to security. 
That's right. 

1105
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:55,700
You're taking my Right? 
So that, yeah. 

1106
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,600
So, fortunately, I've had great 
people who I've been in contact 

1107
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,500
with and I'd already made to 
protected disclosures to doj oig

1108
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,500
to protected disclosures to HHS 
oig. 

1109
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:09,700
And I'm calling friends saying 
hey what do I do now? 

1110
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:14,100
And so they walk me, you know, 
off the ledge. 

1111
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:18,700
And I had to call my office who 
they did not know at all, I was 

1112
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:23,600
working trafficking cases. 
So, I had to call my office and 

1113
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,600
say, okay, I need you to take a 
seat because I'm just got walked

1114
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,600
off the site and SES is like 
what? 

1115
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:35,800
And I said I've been working 
trafficking cases and I have 

1116
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,900
discovered not only are they 
trafficking the kids, but 

1117
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:43,000
they're also MS-13 is involved. 
And they don't want that to get 

1118
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,200
out. 
I said, I've already made 

1119
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,900
protected disclosures to doj in 
here and there and he said, I'm 

1120
00:56:47,908 --> 00:56:50,900
going to call you back, right? 
So he can sensed with some 

1121
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:53,800
people. 
And he said, he said Tara, he 

1122
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,100
said, I want you to take a deep 
breath. 

1123
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,100
He said, we got your back. 
He said, I will send agents to 

1124
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:00,600
escort you home. 
He said you think you're safe 

1125
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:04,200
and I said, I don't think they 
would be that dumb to do 

1126
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,600
anything and my husband ended up
escorting, me home, I declined 

1127
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,300
an escort home but they were, 
you know, they were concerned 

1128
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:14,300
which is which is the thing that
we have been? 

1129
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:16,000
Yeah. 
You all get that like everybody 

1130
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,000
asked the question about your 
physical safety, which is like 

1131
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,000
one of the worst things you can 
imagine because we're in a world

1132
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,600
where that is plausible. 
To Pivot over because I know, 

1133
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,700
Aaron sitting there quietly and 
I know his story is less 

1134
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,500
cordial. 
You at least are were, were 

1135
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:29,900
brought back to your own home 
agency and you've been able to 

1136
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:32,100
continued employment Aaron, you 
did not have the same 

1137
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:33,800
experience. 
Yours is a lot more like mine. 

1138
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,400
That's why you and I are kind of
the same tribe. 

1139
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,300
I told you the other day. 
Tell me, tell me how first of 

1140
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:42,300
all, how did it come to a head? 
Because it always comes to 

1141
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:44,600
something and was it something 
that you expected or they catch 

1142
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:49,200
you off guard? 
So, you know, so I actually went

1143
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,200
public the first when I blew the
whistle on this. 

1144
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,400
I was like in Shadows, no, no, I
was right after work is no, no 

1145
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,000
one knew anything, right? 
And then I found more exact 

1146
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,600
corruption and that's not what 
the public. 

1147
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,200
And you know, then they were 
like, okay this is earned. 

1148
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,000
And so from there, there were 
like that was, you know, it's 

1149
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,800
kind of awkward. 
So at work, you know, people 

1150
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,400
were told, like, don't talk to 
him, just don't interact, you 

1151
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,600
know? 
And like that, that alone was 

1152
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,600
like, okay. 
So they're going to clearly 

1153
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,300
missing which is fine. 
I don't want people getting, you

1154
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,200
know, investigated also. 
So it's Deal. 

1155
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,400
He was looking up on the side 
and they were like, you know, I 

1156
00:58:19,408 --> 00:58:22,600
respect you, that was cool. 
It was mild, you know, that kind

1157
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
of thing. 
Let's go. 

1158
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,200
Then this is a while later I got
it. 

1159
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,600
So I got my best to gatien's, I 
go through it. 

1160
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,700
I might tourney go back and 
forth and then I get called in 

1161
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:37,100
one day and say, hey be in the 
lobby at 9 a.m. and I was like, 

1162
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:38,900
I, that's all I need to know. 
I know it's going to happen now.

1163
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:41,100
That's right. 
That's when they read me out. 

1164
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,700
They gave me tell people about 
looks like, by the way, and then

1165
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:47,600
they said, like weird. 
Not everyone's familiar with my,

1166
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,000
but my buddy. 
Steve friend gave me a hard 

1167
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,600
time. 
He was like all you've security 

1168
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:53,400
guys, who know about security 
clearances talk about breeding 

1169
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,500
out like what if he's like, what
is reading out? 

1170
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:56,800
Tell people what that looks 
like. 

1171
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:01,200
Yes, basically they just have to
go through all your, all your 

1172
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,300
statements are signed statements
saying, you know, I will cut 

1173
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:05,800
this operation for. 
I think it's 75 years, the 

1174
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,100
duration of your life every was 
so I decided to go see. 

1175
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:11,100
I had your garden-variety 
apartments, that's 80, km/h 

1176
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,800
dies, and then they just say the
cart sign this. 

1177
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,900
You're out of its unless you're 
out of it. 

1178
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,200
It the you debris from security 
officer saying, you know, board 

1179
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,400
and statements of sine, which 
is, you know, by law. 

1180
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,700
You gotta, I never get any 
classified but it's like no big 

1181
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:24,700
deal. 
Whatever this part of the 

1182
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:25,900
process. 
I understand it. 

1183
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:26,900
I would even this is going in 
the game. 

1184
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,500
Yep, look at my read out. 
And they say, okay, you can tell

1185
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:34,600
work though, so you have got to 
stay until the work and you 

1186
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,100
gotta log in. 
But you can't go in and eat like

1187
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,900
immigration system because we 
don't trust you anymore. 

1188
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:43,100
You can't go do any work. 
So they've gotten your research,

1189
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:45,500
like, you know, open source 
would never know. 

1190
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,700
Recipes. 
So, log in every day, Yeah, you 

1191
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:53,600
know, I've read books. 
I've read, you know, I'm not at 

1192
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:54,400
work. 
Don't worry. 

1193
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:57,900
And it's so then. 
So your horse telework was 

1194
00:59:57,900 --> 00:59:59,300
essentially like administrative 
leave. 

1195
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:00,700
That was that correct? 
I mean, I was more or less a 

1196
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:02,000
thing. 
It was an administrative leave 

1197
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,300
check in with us every day. 
Yeah, basically. 

1198
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:07,000
And you know, and I'm not gonna 
lie to you. 

1199
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,300
So my first science advisor, my 
second line supervisor, they 

1200
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:12,700
were great, very professional, 
they weren't, you know, they 

1201
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:16,300
weren't getting bad for me. 
It wasn't the weird part for me 

1202
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:19,600
was when I finally get like, you
know, sat down, By the, it was a

1203
01:00:19,607 --> 01:00:23,500
division Chief and it's like 
just stick this paperwork and 

1204
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:24,900
it's, like, I signed 
acknowledging receipt. 

1205
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:26,300
Okay? 
This is the process, okay. 

1206
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:27,500
I got that. 
I understand it. 

1207
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:30,400
It's some kind of looping 
through a metre, no, flipping 

1208
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,400
through, and what they say. 
And like, just the one of the 

1209
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,000
word said, you know, we 
basically lost trust in you and 

1210
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,400
I was like, right? 
Because in your their own 

1211
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,900
language, I revealed the 
identity of detected applicants 

1212
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:45,600
who were seeking Asylum. 
It's like, there you go. 

1213
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,000
Like, I'm showing sex 
traffickers. 

1214
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400
What? 
We're not talking the same thing

1215
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,500
guys. 
Like you see this literally and 

1216
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:55,800
nothing else and I can't. 
I'm sorry, I see this right here

1217
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:57,500
and those know they'll never 
meet up. 

1218
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,100
So that was telling for me, I 
didn't regret it. 

1219
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,000
And once once I finally got hold
of Terror because I saw her 

1220
01:01:04,008 --> 01:01:05,200
video come out. 
We talked. 

1221
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,000
And yeah, we met in Phoenix. 
I was so as awesome as great 

1222
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,700
time meeting you too, of course,
Kyle. 

1223
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:12,900
But when I asked her like, you 
know, about cases, like whatever

1224
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,300
happened with things and she did
say, like, one of these kids 

1225
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,400
like did get pulled out a 
sponsor because of set me off. 

1226
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:20,600
Fucking concerns. 
And I was just like, you know 

1227
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:21,600
what? 
That's worth it alone. 

1228
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,300
It's like it's, it might be just
one kid, but it's like that 

1229
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,700
someone's life. 
That's just it's now because the

1230
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:29,100
average age, by the way, for a 
trafficking victim, it's like 

1231
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,400
seven, ten years, you get 
traffic 727, 10 years later, 

1232
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,700
you're probably dead. 
And so it's like, you know what,

1233
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,400
that's good enough for me 
because who knows what it could 

1234
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,100
have gone through. 
So yeah, that was that most 

1235
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:42,900
people, yeah, I get my fire 
notice. 

1236
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:47,100
It was Most people can't put 
that on there. 

1237
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:50,000
They can't put on their tally. 
Like, I've done something that 

1238
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,700
directly resulted in another 
human being be able to live the 

1239
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:55,200
rest of their life. 
There's very few people that can

1240
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,700
do that. 
Even people like in the medical 

1241
01:01:56,700 --> 01:02:00,800
field generally speaking can't 
make that call because you know,

1242
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:03,400
you just don't know. 
That's a very tangible thing. 

1243
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,100
When someone gets pulled out of 
a thing where basically 

1244
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,600
everybody in their dies, in a 
pretty short period of time. 

1245
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:11,200
That's right. 
You know, I think that that 

1246
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,300
makes it worth it. 
I agree with you. 

1247
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,600
Yeah. 
And so they work also like in 

1248
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,700
this, in this time frame, they 
did try to like change some 

1249
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:20,300
policies like you know. 
Okay. 

1250
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,000
They basically lot of things 
about I dressed. 

1251
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,100
They try to go like you know 
okay we should we should look at

1252
01:02:25,107 --> 01:02:27,100
these things and like they tried
mover in the back end doesn't 

1253
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,800
matter it's like yeah you have 
to make the time it changes in 

1254
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,200
this program otherwise it's 
going to keep happening because 

1255
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,100
we have no it where I worked at 
is called usasf DNS. 

1256
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,300
Broader section National 
Security that we have no teeth, 

1257
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,000
we're even our bark is very 
quiet but getting back to the 

1258
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,300
the firing part. 
So sit down On with the person 

1259
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,800
above the division, Chief and I 
knew her, and she's a good 

1260
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,200
person. 
She didn't shoot enjoy, you 

1261
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,800
know, she did enjoy the process.
She said I can start do this 

1262
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,900
part of the job, not like don't 
worry about it is you know enjoy

1263
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,100
your dear sweet and she hunts 
deer enjoyed your hunting deer 

1264
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,500
you know live your life, do your
thing but it's like but that's 

1265
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,300
it. 
I can't I can't do this program 

1266
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:06,200
with you guys anymore. 
It's just this is too much. 

1267
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:14,300
So and then, What is your? 
So your status is terminated 

1268
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:17,200
they give you a nasty sf50 that 
says you were terminated for 

1269
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,000
cause or something to that 
effect, or what does it say? 

1270
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,100
I didn't download my last. 
Sf50 I did get again I got the 

1271
01:03:24,107 --> 01:03:27,400
whole packet and I since my 
turning I was like if you want 

1272
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,700
to, you know, what do you think 
sir? 

1273
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:32,800
I'll do whatever I do because if
we want to protect austerity or 

1274
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,200
other cases in the future it's 
like no. 

1275
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,500
I'll I'll do a good college try 
but I'm not trying to get my job

1276
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:38,800
back them anymore. 
They don't trust me. 

1277
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:39,800
That's fine. 
Then I trust me. 

1278
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,400
Right? 
But yeah so far from that that's

1279
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,800
only been about It's like two 
weeks now. 

1280
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,300
I guess, I know that's fresh 
information. 

1281
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:51,200
It was something you probably 
knew was coming. 

1282
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,400
It still doesn't feel any better
when you start learning it. 

1283
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,200
And you actually have to process
through that. 

1284
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,200
It's as weird. 
It's really weird, right? 

1285
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,200
Especially cuz you just, I'm 
just doing the math on here. 

1286
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,300
You've got almost 18 years total
of working for the federal 

1287
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,700
government and in some way or 
another, that's your entire 

1288
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,900
adult life. 
I always tell people that the, 

1289
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,200
that betrayal is not something 
that happens from a stranger. 

1290
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,800
It's someone that you trust 
stabs you in the back. 

1291
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:19,200
Back and I have to imagine 
getting walked out for Tara and,

1292
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,000
and you know, losing the job has
the same feeling that I've 

1293
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,600
thought about it and I only had 
ten years of total, you know, 

1294
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,500
Federal time. 
But you're like, I believe in 

1295
01:04:26,508 --> 01:04:27,700
the government. 
That's why I signed up to do 

1296
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:30,300
these things, and then they put 
the knife in between your 

1297
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:33,300
shoulder blades, you can't reach
it, because it's back there. 

1298
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,400
That's, that's the thing that 
hurts, right? 

1299
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,100
I've done more than just to talk
Mission. 

1300
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:43,800
I've, you know, I've worked on 
terrorism cases, I've worked on,

1301
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:46,600
you know, obvious fraud, cases a
lot of things and it's like, 

1302
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:50,400
even have even an people at work
knew my sentiment of a lot of 

1303
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,400
our failures. 
The Chinese spy thing alone was 

1304
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,700
like, oh my gosh, guys, but 
like, I've seen plenty of 

1305
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:00,600
already, like dis failures again
and again, and again, but it 

1306
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,600
still was like, oh, wow, you 
guys don't trust me. 

1307
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,000
I like no offense, guys, I point
out somebody who's very, very 

1308
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,800
bad doing bad things and your 
take on it is. 

1309
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,800
Yeah. 
But you know, he's an asylum 

1310
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,100
Seeker. 
It's like, all right. 

1311
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,600
It's just it's a culture and I'm
not part of it. 

1312
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,100
That's right. 
And you and I are going to do a 

1313
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,400
whole nother interview, which I 
told you, we'll get into all the

1314
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,200
things about failures on the 
counterterrorism, front on the 

1315
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,800
failures of the 
counterintelligence front of 

1316
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,500
which they are numerous. 
And I think that'll be very 

1317
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,800
eye-opening for folks. 
I don't want heads to explode 

1318
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,200
when they listen to this because
it's so, it's only so many 

1319
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,000
things people can process at any
given time. 

1320
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,800
I'm so we're going to we're 
going to, you know, listeners 

1321
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,000
you're going to know that we're 
going to do this another moment 

1322
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,100
where Aaron and I will get into 
the deep end of some of the 

1323
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,800
significant failures. 
DHS is a totally other animal, 

1324
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:47,200
you know, you talk about 10 
billion dollars, that's a splash

1325
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,600
in the bucket for their 120 
billion dollar budget that they 

1326
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,200
have every year, five billion 
dollars a year is nothing. 

1327
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,100
And then that's on HHS. 
I don't know how big HHS is, but

1328
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:58,900
I'm sure it's enormous as well. 
So I want to kind of pivot back 

1329
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:01,100
in there. 
You got walked out of the site 

1330
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:03,500
Tara, you neither of you guys 
stopped. 

1331
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:04,600
That's the real. 
For me. 

1332
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,500
And this is why this is why I 
want to keep talking about it. 

1333
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,100
The fight doesn't end because 
you get walked off the site. 

1334
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,600
You still have friends in there 
that are that are seeing these 

1335
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,900
things. 
What is going on in the Pomona 

1336
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:17,800
side or any of the people that 
have come to you since then that

1337
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,100
you seen? 
Now that you're sitting in a 

1338
01:06:20,107 --> 01:06:21,800
different government spot 
obviously you're going back to 

1339
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,300
your regular job but like what 
what's the developments that 

1340
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:26,200
happened from the time you get 
walked off there and they take 

1341
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,400
your badge. 
Yeah. 

1342
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,600
Well, I mean it takes a moment 
to recover from that, right? 

1343
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,800
And then, you know, recorded 
interviews with agents and all 

1344
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:42,700
kinds of things, but I just, I 
couldn't sleep knowing what What

1345
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:46,000
was going on. 
But right now today Kyle there 

1346
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,500
are children who are in crisis, 
right? 

1347
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,400
When project Veritas went and 
knocked on the doors, children 

1348
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,700
are telling their stories. 
You know the 15 year old girl 

1349
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,300
who wants to quit school so that
she can pay back her debt to the

1350
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:00,300
cartel. 
The 16 year old girl who's 

1351
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:05,400
trafficked by her sponsor who 
supposedly her aunt, that she's 

1352
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,200
never met or out for sex, right?
But she's never met, you know. 

1353
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,200
So knowing These things and I've
heard children screaming for 

1354
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,800
their parents. 
You know, I've watched kids have

1355
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,100
panic attacks because they 
didn't know where they were 

1356
01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:22,800
going. 
I mean, I just couldn't I just 

1357
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,900
couldn't live with it. 
I just couldn't. 

1358
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:28,800
And so, you know, I went through
every Avenue and attorneys and 

1359
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,800
all kinds of stuff. 
And I said, what can I do with 

1360
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,000
my First Amendment right to 
bring this to light? 

1361
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Because I I've done all the 
correct channels and now what 

1362
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,600
can I do to help these kids? 
Kids. 

1363
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:45,200
And so I'm really grateful. 
I mean, first it was Project. 

1364
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,900
Veritas yeah. 
What was their actual advice on 

1365
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:48,900
that stuff? 
Did they give you? 

1366
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:50,800
Like, here's your left and right
boundaries and they tell you 

1367
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:55,600
They were like, please don't do 
this, you're going to put a 

1368
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,800
Target on your back, you know. 
Yes. 

1369
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,400
Stand that, you know, you have 
your job now. 

1370
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,800
But if you continue down this 
path, you know, at some point 

1371
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:10,700
they might not appreciate it. 
But I cannot my worldview has 

1372
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:15,300
just been changed and I 
recognize just like the two of 

1373
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:21,000
you because to me, you all are 
heroes and I see that one voice 

1374
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:27,600
truly can make Difference and 
this by continuing to speak out,

1375
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,600
it's led to some pretty amazing 
things and that I hope are going

1376
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:37,700
to continue Texas. 
The AG's office there. 

1377
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,000
They've got some human 
trafficking teams that are 

1378
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,600
hopefully going to go rescue. 
Some of these kids Florida has 

1379
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:49,500
has had a lot of testimony I've 
talked with a lot of prosecutors

1380
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,600
and what's interesting is that 
as Scared and terrified as 

1381
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,500
people are to come forward. 
It's interesting. 

1382
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:01,600
Everyone said, you know, if you 
can get me a subpoena Tara, I'll

1383
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,300
come forward. 
And so I think that's sometimes 

1384
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:08,700
I think HHS maybe miscalculated 
that nobody would ever come 

1385
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:10,600
forward. 
But so there's lots of good 

1386
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,100
people who have started to come 
forward, who been subpoenaed? 

1387
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,899
They want a subpoena, can you 
imagine? 

1388
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:18,600
Please get me a subpoena. 
Well, that's something really 

1389
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,800
important about that. 
Yeah, I think you bring up a 

1390
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,399
really Important point because I
have the same situation with FBI

1391
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:27,300
and, you know, we're all seeing 
different sides of the federal 

1392
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:29,500
government but they're all the 
same, which is that people want 

1393
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:31,300
to speak. 
They are not allowed to speak, 

1394
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:33,500
but if you call them and put 
them under oath, they would say 

1395
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:35,500
the truth. 
And there is a big difference 

1396
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:39,300
between that, like, it takes 
someone like both of you, it 

1397
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,700
takes someone sometimes like me 
to go out there and take the 

1398
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:43,300
take the first flax. 
Almost got to be the first one 

1399
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:46,700
through the door, so that these 
attorneys, whether they be a G's

1400
01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:50,500
of a state, or where they would 
be Federal prosecutors know what

1401
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:53,000
the problem and what the scope. 
Up is because they don't even 

1402
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,800
know where to direct their fire.
But when you give them a grid 

1403
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,600
coordinate and you go look go 
call that human being in this 

1404
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,400
office and have them come under 
oath and say the things that 

1405
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,200
they have to say they are 
obliged to say the things that 

1406
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,800
are true. 
They don't get to hide behind 

1407
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,300
policy when there's federal law 
and play or state law in this 

1408
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:10,500
case. 
And so that's kind of the really

1409
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,400
interesting thing and let's you 
be a lightning rod for all the 

1410
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,900
all the nastiness but it also 
gives you ability to channel 

1411
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:17,400
that into a place where it can 
do some good. 

1412
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,100
Yes, yes. 
And so we're hoping that that's 

1413
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:23,800
going to lead to some federal 
things as well. 

1414
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,400
So hopefully, you'll be hearing 
some interesting stuff coming 

1415
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:32,100
out of the Judiciary Committee 
and I have it on pretty good. 

1416
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,100
Pretty good faith that 
something's going to happen with

1417
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,500
that. 
So I'm hoping that's that's the 

1418
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,600
case. 
The main thing is and people are

1419
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,900
like, why do you keep doing 
this? 

1420
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:43,400
I said, because one kids need to
be rescued too bad. 

1421
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:48,800
People need to be locked up and 
three this program that HHS has 

1422
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:55,300
completely lost control of needs
to be reformed period, end of 

1423
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:57,700
story. 
Yeah, so this has been going on 

1424
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:00,000
for years and years trafficking 
in this program. 

1425
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,800
It won't get fixed overnight at 
all. 

1426
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,500
Yep. 
No. 

1427
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:09,200
But, you know, Senate, you know,
reports back for years and these

1428
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,600
these paper activities are not 
are not saving the children. 

1429
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:18,100
So something drastic needs to be
done and hopefully this is is 

1430
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:21,200
this is going to continue to 
spark action. 

1431
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:24,100
Yeah. 
Aaron did you have something you

1432
01:11:24,108 --> 01:11:29,800
wanted to weigh in on there too?
You had that look I mean, yeah. 

1433
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,500
So I've been looking through 
this program again like blue, 

1434
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:34,300
the policy part, because 
government is just that's her 

1435
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:36,100
blood there during my policy. 
Yep. 

1436
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:40,100
And on top of that, you know, 
their their agency policy, their

1437
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,000
internal policies, all these 
little, you know, snap impromptu

1438
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,600
things. 
The rule changes. 

1439
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,400
That's the diverter for me is 
just how much they accomplished 

1440
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,900
in the administrative state by 
rule changes. 

1441
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,100
Now those are insane to me. 
But I've been going through just

1442
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,300
to make sense of it because it's
hard to because it's you know, 

1443
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:58,400
it's government is boring, 
right? 

1444
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,600
It is so it's like A lot of meat
is right there. 

1445
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:03,400
Yeah, and and, like, no one. 
Look at these things. 

1446
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,600
Like this kind of you count on 
all these websites have, like, 

1447
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,400
you know, a notice of proposed 
rule making changes and I, some 

1448
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,900
of these things are less than 
400 less than 300. 

1449
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,900
And it's like, oh, yeah, we're 
going to change the entire 

1450
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:14,800
collection form of when you talk
to a child. 

1451
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:17,900
It's like, well, we'll wait. 
When did we you're going to that

1452
01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:19,300
one? 
Where is that democracy in play?

1453
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,300
And why was that done on the 
21st of January 2021, but I do 

1454
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:26,600
have, I mean, it's like with 
terrorists all over the states. 

1455
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:31,200
That's me, is a much stronger. 
Thing, because local politics is

1456
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,900
great way to go and they do have
authority to have a lot of power

1457
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,700
if they're willing to just I 
mean just real, the guys like 

1458
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:39,900
stop yielding it to the feds for
responsiveness one. 

1459
01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:42,500
You know, there are a lot of 
border states, a lot of states 

1460
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:45,100
that are impacted by this, but 
you have investigators, you have

1461
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:48,400
a teeth like start using them 
because that might be the 

1462
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,400
quickest way to at least stop 
the kids from in this program 

1463
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,900
and to find some bad guys and we
can do those two things first. 

1464
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:57,400
It's like back end, you know, we
can work on that. 

1465
01:12:57,900 --> 01:12:59,100
I'll see if there's reform 
possible. 

1466
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,700
Yet, there's still a thing 
there. 

1467
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:04,400
Maybe it's like the kids getting
out of it and the bad guys 

1468
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,000
getting caught up. 
It's like, that's got to be 

1469
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,000
prioritized. 
First, I think States, 

1470
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:12,400
especially if they had the data 
from HHS, yes, they might take 

1471
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,600
is if any law enforcement agency
from, you know, City County 

1472
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:18,800
State. 
They have a case of, you know, 

1473
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,500
involving a child in this 
program. 

1474
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:23,000
I think they should get full 
access to everything that's gone

1475
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,800
through every single piece of 
paper. 

1476
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,100
Every single file has to go to 
them because they're gonna be 

1477
01:13:28,108 --> 01:13:31,100
the action art. 
That's right. 

1478
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,600
How many, how many attorneys 
generals from different states 

1479
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,500
have signed onto or committed to
doing some sort of action based 

1480
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:38,400
on The Whistleblower activity 
from the two of you. 

1481
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,900
There you know what's funny? 
Yeah that I know of right now. 

1482
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:46,800
Yep. 
Got to but things in you talk I 

1483
01:13:46,808 --> 01:13:49,000
think are in the works so we'll 
see. 

1484
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,900
Okay. 
Yes Allah and there's and there 

1485
01:13:52,900 --> 01:13:55,500
should be some more reading us. 
You would think soon is going by

1486
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:57,800
proximity where the problem is. 
Yeah. 

1487
01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:01,500
But we'll see. 
So Texas and Florida have been 

1488
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:03,300
forward-leaning. 
It sounds like you said, Utah's 

1489
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,000
on the ropes but probably coming
into the fight as well. 

1490
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:09,900
What's what's interesting is is 
I think people have seen in the 

1491
01:14:09,907 --> 01:14:11,800
last couple years. 
Every state functions is a 

1492
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,900
border state. 
Now, when DHS and, and or rather

1493
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:17,700
HHS is willing to ship people 
everywhere. 

1494
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,700
You know, whether it be from, in
the middle of the night, plane 

1495
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:22,800
rides, and all these kind of 
things that tip something in 

1496
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,900
Aaron's head, right? 
Yeah, so I mean Virginia alone. 

1497
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:31,000
Pranks ice live in Virginia and 
I think through of the, the 12 

1498
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,000
total things that I saw, the 12 
total counters, I saw in eight 

1499
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,100
months of this, you know, gang 
members trying to get kids, want

1500
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:40,200
to say like three or four men 
came from Virginia, early, some 

1501
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,700
is surrounded. 
Near area there is a large 

1502
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:47,300
population of not just, you 
know, the people's from 

1503
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,100
Guatemala El, Salvador Honduras.
But the activity of the games as

1504
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:54,000
well, my parts of Alexandria 
parts of outer Graphics County 

1505
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:57,200
and like place like Alexandria. 
That's a that's what it, what 

1506
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,000
they call it, what? 
City? 

1507
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,500
A sanctuary City? 
Yes. 

1508
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:03,000
So there is a criminal's, no, to
go there because it's almost in 

1509
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,800
and out and they can do not 
going to put on the country that

1510
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,700
way. 
That's right. 

1511
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,600
Yeah. 
So I've done surveil, I've done 

1512
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,500
surveillance on a house out 
there and we were Watching it. 

1513
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:14,400
And the reason was is that they 
were supposedly like 10 or 15 

1514
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,200
families living in a 
four-bedroom house which is 

1515
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,700
pretty standard in these sort of
illegal, immigrant type 

1516
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,700
occupations. 
And then one of the guys in 

1517
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:25,800
there might have been a top ten 
fugitive who killed like to 

1518
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,600
Federal sources down in Texas. 
And then Lefty was a top-10 

1519
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,200
fugitive for the State of Texas.
So we we sat on it. 

1520
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,400
We saw him. 
He came out on a bicycle. 

1521
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,000
He went down to the corner store
and we grabbed him and yeah, 

1522
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,500
that stuff happens every day. 
Like there's a ton of Ms in the 

1523
01:15:37,508 --> 01:15:39,500
greater DC area. 
My old field office Washington 

1524
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:42,500
field, handles it in. 
Maryland hails it in DC and then

1525
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:44,100
a ton of it in in Virginia as 
well. 

1526
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:46,500
So that all these places are 
border states even though they 

1527
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:49,300
don't have a border with Mexico 
or anywhere touching Latin 

1528
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:51,200
America. 
It's amazing. 

1529
01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:52,600
Right. 
Yeah. 

1530
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,400
Well, when the federal 
government is paying, I think 

1531
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,700
this is the thing that I wish 
people could understand. 

1532
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:00,600
And I know it's hard for people 
to get their minds around 

1533
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,200
because it was hard for me to 
understand that the United 

1534
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,300
States government is creating 
the poll were creating the pull 

1535
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:14,200
because we are The middleman in 
the trafficking operation, we 

1536
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:19,100
are taking the children in and 
then paying all these midnight 

1537
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:20,900
flights all around the country, 
right? 

1538
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:24,400
The United States government is 
paying that bill to distribute 

1539
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,500
the kids all around the country.
So to your question that you 

1540
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:33,200
asked Aaron in the beginning, 
why February 20 21 right, why? 

1541
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,500
Well, because gangs are about 
making money, and the kids are 

1542
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:37,900
assets to them. 
Yeah. 

1543
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:40,800
So when they are, you know, the 
easiest thing to compare it, it 

1544
01:16:40,808 --> 01:16:43,900
too is drugs versus the 
children, right? 

1545
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,900
If they are trafficking drugs 
from Guatemala, it's a 

1546
01:16:46,907 --> 01:16:49,500
one-time-use. 
So they got to get the drugs all

1547
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:53,400
the way, you know, across Mexico
across the border where they're 

1548
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,600
going to use some of it lose, 
some of their product, they got 

1549
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:01,000
to pay a distribution chain so 
for one-time use. 

1550
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:06,000
But when they're trafficking 
children, all they got to do is 

1551
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:11,600
get them to the border and then 
we take them and then with tax 

1552
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,400
dollars, we distribute them. 
So for the traffickers on this 

1553
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:23,600
end, they view that child as a 
continually paying asset, these 

1554
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,300
traffickers make residual 
income. 

1555
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:31,000
They are building their assets. 
Off of the ten billion dollars 

1556
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,400
were investing in the program 
and policies have consequences. 

1557
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,500
This is why there 2, they made 
the run on the border. 

1558
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,300
What was in order to be able to 
set up these networks, be able 

1559
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:46,200
to create these rains, where 
hey, we got, we got a hundred 

1560
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,100
kids, I don't think people get 
it. 

1561
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,000
This is residual income for the 
trafficker. 

1562
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,300
Every hour. 
They've got these hundred kids 

1563
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:56,900
working, they're making money 
off of it. 

1564
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:58,900
They don't give these kids their
paychecks. 

1565
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:02,400
I mean, go back. 
I people can look at the videos 

1566
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:07,700
back from 20, it's called 
trafficked in America off of 

1567
01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:12,200
this report. 
They I actually went and showed 

1568
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,400
the squalor conditions, the kids
were living in how they take 

1569
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,700
their paychecks and it's 
horrific and we are the 

1570
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:21,900
middleman in the trafficking 
ring. 

1571
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:26,600
Well, it's unacceptable 
unacceptable, it, it's almost 

1572
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,700
more like we're the last mile. 
I don't know if you've ever seen

1573
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:33,000
a service but sometimes like 
you'll have you know FedEx or 

1574
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,400
UPS, whatever will move things 
around to their logistical hubs 

1575
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,100
and they hired these contractors
that are called last mile or 

1576
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:40,200
last, you know, last mile. 
Or something like that. 

1577
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,700
They're all called the something
similar. 

1578
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,700
But they do the last little bit 
of the logistical chain to 

1579
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:47,300
getting it from point A to point
B. 

1580
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:49,500
And then and as you just 
mentioned I think this is so 

1581
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:51,200
point. 
Like I never thought of this is 

1582
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,700
why when drug traffickers are 
moving a drug. 

1583
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:56,700
They have to get it from A to B 
themselves all the way and it's 

1584
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,800
a one-time-use, right? 
It goes from fill in the blank 

1585
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,300
country, it makes it over our 
border in any way, shape, or 

1586
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:03,800
form. 
Then they are also got to get it

1587
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,900
through our, you know, Highway 
systems and all the logistical 

1588
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:08,900
routes there and they've got to 
make sure that they maintain it 

1589
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:10,600
and secure it. 
All the way and make sure that 

1590
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,100
the dealers don't take it, and 
then it gets, you know, sent out

1591
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:15,300
to the end user of that product,
and that's the end of it. 

1592
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:19,600
And so, it's an, A, to B. 
This is more like, moving a 

1593
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,300
rental car. 
And letting someone get it, you 

1594
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:24,000
get it to the hub. 
And then not only do they get as

1595
01:19:24,008 --> 01:19:25,600
the Hub like someone's gonna 
drive it to where it needs to 

1596
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,700
go, where it's going to make the
most money and then it gets 

1597
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:30,600
rented out over and over again. 
So it's almost a durable good. 

1598
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:32,600
And we're not just talking about
sex trafficking. 

1599
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,400
We're obviously talking about 
abusive, labor, child, labor 

1600
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,000
exploitation, where you know you
mentioned the slaughter Factory.

1601
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,900
So it doesn't only I Sex 
trafficking is the one that hits

1602
01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:44,400
our heart, the hardest. 
I think because it's such a it's

1603
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,300
such a destructive force forever
but being worked in a 

1604
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:50,000
slaughterhouse at the age of 
seven or eight or 10. 

1605
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,100
Whatever these things look like 
is equally atrocious in many 

1606
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:55,800
ways because of just there's 
just no coming back from it for 

1607
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,600
these kids. 
It's incredible to imagine and 

1608
01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:00,100
it's more than just a sound 
bite. 

1609
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:02,500
I want people to grasp this. 
You've talked about 

1610
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:05,100
government-sponsored trafficking
operations. 

1611
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,100
We are literally in the 
logistical chain of these 

1612
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:10,500
transnational organized crime, 
I'm organizations. 

1613
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:13,400
Like we're part of their 
business model. 

1614
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,500
In this case, all of us. 
Yes, we are. 

1615
01:20:17,500 --> 01:20:24,200
Erin I'm sorry, I got so we also
know that these talk 

1616
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,300
organizations, they abused 
immigration system by using 

1617
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:28,900
defensive Asylum. 
Okay. 

1618
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:31,100
That's, you know, as you so it's
you don't know, there's 

1619
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,600
affirmative Asylum which is like
your traditional way of thinking

1620
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,300
about things, do you know go up 
to a Us official and say I'm 

1621
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,300
threat of my life being killed. 
If I go back home can have 

1622
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:40,400
Asylum. 
You think about this like 

1623
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,600
political reasons, defensive? 
Asylum is, you've already been 

1624
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,800
encountered, you're putting 
putting removal proceedings. 

1625
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:48,300
You're going to get deported and
then you say, oh, but if I go 

1626
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:49,500
back home, they're going to kill
me. 

1627
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,100
It's almost like a grab that 
last branch on the way down. 

1628
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,100
And so if you go through this 
process, traditionally, you 

1629
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:57,300
would first be screened by an 
asylum officer, and this is 

1630
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,000
called credible, fear, or 
reasonable fear. 

1631
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:04,000
And these things were on average
approved about like 77 80 

1632
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,700
percent is reproved like yep, 
you will qualify for this goes 

1633
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,500
to the immigration judge. 
So now maybe 80% of those and I 

1634
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,700
Yeah, and then I J's the 
immigration judge they'll review

1635
01:21:15,700 --> 01:21:19,300
your case and go. 
Yes or no, and they said no on 

1636
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:21,700
average of about 85 percent of 
those cases. 

1637
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,600
So, the it's a complete 
disparity. 

1638
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:25,800
Like, yep. 
You're good. 

1639
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,100
And it's like, no, you're not. 
And that's why I blew the 

1640
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:31,700
whistle publicly because the 
vitamin istration the the 

1641
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:37,300
employee union of the USCIS, 
they wrote policy to change the 

1642
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,900
rules to ship, the adjudicative 
authority of defensive, Asylum 

1643
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:44,100
away from immigration, judge. 
Jizz and giving it to Asylum 

1644
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:47,100
officers. 
So those those 85%. 

1645
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:50,100
No cases will very quickly 
become yes cases. 

1646
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,800
And so not only did it one more 
time for me. 

1647
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:57,300
No, say where the authorities 
have been changed from, it's 

1648
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:00,400
gone from a judge to Just Like A
administrative officer. 

1649
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:04,200
Yeah. 
It's not a mobster and now and 

1650
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,200
we gotta judge. 
Yeah. 

1651
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,000
Keep going. 
Yeah. 

1652
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:09,600
That's why I blew the whistle 
on. 

1653
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,900
A my guys, this is worse than 
you realize and so when you have

1654
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:15,400
these people now abusing the 
system because now they'll come 

1655
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,700
off the watch list. 
They're no longer being targeted

1656
01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:19,400
or seen and they keep that 
trafficking going. 

1657
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:20,400
It's not going to stop him at 
all. 

1658
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:25,600
And doesn't forget that one. 
Each list was kept at 40,000 and

1659
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:27,300
I was going to say, but of the 
question. 

1660
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:30,600
Sorry, I'm so sorry. 
Well, they've already know. 

1661
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,400
Yeah, either the authorities. 
So they, this is a Biden 

1662
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,400
Administration policy to take 
it. 

1663
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,000
And this was advocated on 
behalf, like by the by the 

1664
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,100
union. 
Is that what you're saying? 

1665
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,900
Yes, because Joe Biden, he 
accepted the Democratic party 

1666
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:46,800
platform and, you know, 2020 and
like, it was that was published 

1667
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,400
in, you know, I think it's 
August 20, 2010, the DNC 

1668
01:22:49,700 --> 01:22:52,000
convention. 
And then in the debate, and I 

1669
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,300
think I've told her 2020, that's
when, you know, Joe Biden said, 

1670
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:57,000
like, I am the Democratic party,
but Yep, this is me, these are 

1671
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,400
policies, right? 
So read through the Democratic 

1672
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,500
Convention, you, whatever, you 
just control, find look for 

1673
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:05,500
immigration judge, it's 
mentioned one time all the 

1674
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:08,100
sudden that entire time and that
in that one thing it says we're 

1675
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:11,100
going to give you less political
You know, of an environment 

1676
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:13,900
where to give you more autonomy,
more freedom to do your job, as 

1677
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:18,000
ij's, they talk about reforming 
CVP, coming hard down on, you 

1678
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,100
know, ice there's that. 
We're never the USCIS has never 

1679
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:23,200
mentioned at all so you can see 
how the way the club operates 

1680
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:24,300
what they want to do. 
Yep. 

1681
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,200
And yeah. 
So the employee union even this 

1682
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,800
is before binds inaugurated, 
their writing, white papers, on 

1683
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,200
how to change this. 
Niggas rule, change of give us 

1684
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,900
the authority to do defensive 
assignment claims. 

1685
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,100
That's the majority of Asylum. 
It's not affirmative. 

1686
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:40,600
It's coming from defense. 
Of Asylum. 

1687
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:44,300
So let us make those things and 
then they're there is your 

1688
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:45,700
program of just keeping 
everybody in the way. 

1689
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:47,500
It is. 
Why would they want? 

1690
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:53,400
So, Why would the Union want 
that? 

1691
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,500
Yes. 
Is it a political? 

1692
01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:58,300
Is it a political leader of the 
membership? 

1693
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:01,500
Or is it something that benefits
the agency in some big way or 

1694
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:03,500
both? 
So no, it's not to be fair. 

1695
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:05,400
As far as membership, I won't 
say yay or nay to that one 

1696
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,300
because that'd be a lot of Assam
officers. 

1697
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:09,600
He was his what they think, and 
they may have a good wolf or 

1698
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,800
this one or whatever, but as far
as the leadership, yes. 

1699
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:17,500
Because USCIS, the majority of 
their leadership positions come 

1700
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:20,100
from this division of the 
Asylum, folks. 

1701
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:22,700
It's called radio Refugee. 
Asylum in operations. 

1702
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,400
They're the ones that run USCIS 
you, you come. 

1703
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,500
Them and you're in charge of 
like the club and pulling 

1704
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:30,700
strings and stuff. 
And yeah, that's that's just the

1705
01:24:30,708 --> 01:24:32,500
way it works. 
But I've also talked to a solemn

1706
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:35,300
officers because, you know, 
they've some reach out to me and

1707
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,900
been like Aaron, that was cool. 
Yeah, we stayed we stayed in 

1708
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:40,200
touch with friends, whatever. 
And they're tell me what's going

1709
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:41,700
on right now because they're 
hiring. 

1710
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:44,800
Obviously, like 1,000 officers 
to be able to do this upcoming 

1711
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,200
job. 
I don't think the rule changes 

1712
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,700
affect yet because Ken Paxton 
sued in Texas. 

1713
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,700
Okay, so hopefully they win, but
we'll see. 

1714
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,600
But they're busy written will 
trigger and like to start 

1715
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,400
running through quite quickly, 
get everybody through. 

1716
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:57,100
And they become citizens, very 
fast. 

1717
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,500
So, they are not moving. 
They're removing the block right

1718
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:03,700
there, removing that block, that
would stop. 

1719
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,300
And would basically, it would 
eliminate that three to five 

1720
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:08,400
years and that decision that 
they would have would just be a 

1721
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,700
final decision instead of going 
to a judge who eventually May 

1722
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:15,900
remove those That's incredibly 
for all intensive purposes. 

1723
01:25:15,900 --> 01:25:19,000
Yes. 
And and so I've talked with some

1724
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,400
officers as far as like, you 
know, what's going on with the? 

1725
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,300
Hey, how's work? 
What you guys doing now? 

1726
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:25,000
And they all say like, oh it 
sucks like the workload socks, 

1727
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,000
like we are just swamped, and it
really sucks to because we're 

1728
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,300
bringing a new officers. 
This is their first job. 

1729
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:34,100
People are so many people 
quitting during training to 

1730
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,000
become an asylum officer, and 
they're just going to run the 

1731
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,500
government. 
It's like, it's that bad for 

1732
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:39,800
them. 
What else was there? 

1733
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,200
There's a few other things too. 
But it's basically. 

1734
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,100
It's like You can see that what 
the corruption is done. 

1735
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:46,500
It's like it is we know what 
this program is, guys, I just 

1736
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:48,900
call it what it is, this is open
borders and that's the way you 

1737
01:25:48,907 --> 01:25:53,400
guys want it, right? 
But and they don't understand 

1738
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:58,500
that it's not humanitarian and 
you know, it was interesting is 

1739
01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:03,100
that I had someone high up in 
HHS on the site. 

1740
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:06,100
Say, you know, have you ever 
considered and it was only after

1741
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:09,500
the MS-13 case, right? 
So turning in all the other 

1742
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:13,600
trafficking cases, nobody ever 
questioned, You know, if I had 

1743
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,300
cultural biases. 
But when when I brought up this,

1744
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:20,600
you know, this case and was 
passing forward, all the 

1745
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,900
information, you know, someone 
actually said to me, you know, 

1746
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:25,300
you might want to check your 
cultural biases and I said, you 

1747
01:26:25,308 --> 01:26:29,500
know, I said you might not 
realize but my husband is from 

1748
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:33,700
El Salvador assure you. 
I don't have cultural biases and

1749
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:36,800
I would not have volunteered for
this mission to help migrant 

1750
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,400
children. 
If I was, you know, if I had 

1751
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:45,400
biases against these people The 
challenge is is that these 

1752
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:51,300
policies have very negative 
consequences on people. 

1753
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:53,500
And that's the thing. 
It's like you shared at the 

1754
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:58,700
beginning. 
It makes people slaves because 

1755
01:26:58,700 --> 01:27:00,800
they have no access to law 
enforcement. 

1756
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,900
They can't they can't get help, 
you know. 

1757
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,700
And so this is not humanitarian 
and I think there's a lot of 

1758
01:27:07,700 --> 01:27:11,900
people and I, you know, I'm one 
included if we roll back. 

1759
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,700
Back the clock, two years ago, I
would have thought that that 

1760
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:18,800
this unaccompanied child program
was a great thing. 

1761
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,200
Wow, we're uniting kids with 
their families and this is going

1762
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,400
to be awesome. 
What? 

1763
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,100
I didn't realize is where the 
kids were going. 

1764
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:28,900
And so, I think this is, it's 
like you said, in the beginning,

1765
01:27:28,900 --> 01:27:32,100
this isn't a political issue. 
This is not a republican issue 

1766
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:35,700
or Democratic issue. 
This is these are children and I

1767
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:40,200
would hope that everyone would 
be able to say, we have to do 

1768
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:44,400
better for her kids, then Put 
them in the hands of criminals 

1769
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:48,200
and, and, and traffickers. 
We have, we have to do better. 

1770
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:51,100
Yeah, we have to do better. 
I always know that you're on the

1771
01:27:51,108 --> 01:27:53,400
right side of the of, of any 
discussion. 

1772
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,200
When there is an appeal to be 
made both to the left and to the

1773
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,500
right on the political Spectrum.
I like to think of In The Middle

1774
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:00,500
on probably not my wife tells 
me, I'm on the right but so be 

1775
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:02,500
it. 
I'm an independent one way or 

1776
01:28:02,508 --> 01:28:05,700
another and I don't follow a 
party platform and when it comes

1777
01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:10,200
down to should people be able to
live their lives and not be 

1778
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,900
murdered. 
Or be under threat of murder, on

1779
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:15,500
a regular basis. 
Should they be able to live 

1780
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:17,500
their lives without being sex, 
trafficked by someone who will 

1781
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:19,400
murder them? 
If they do not do the things, 

1782
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,700
they are told that is not a 
partisan issue. 

1783
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:26,000
I cannot imagine what side wants
to defend that but it is an 

1784
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,600
ignorance issue. 
Its people that are not willing 

1785
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,300
to see that look the federal 
government is not a. 

1786
01:28:31,300 --> 01:28:34,300
I think we could all three agree
here and producer Phil would say

1787
01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:36,000
as well. 
You know, the federal government

1788
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,600
is probably the worst solution 
to any problem. 

1789
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:41,600
Sometimes there's no other 
solution so it has to step in 

1790
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:42,500
and be that. 
Thing. 

1791
01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:46,100
But as you mentioned, state 
government way, better local 

1792
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:47,800
government, far closer to the 
people. 

1793
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:52,500
So many people have talked to me
as an FBI agent and said, this 

1794
01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:54,200
thing is happening, what should 
I do? 

1795
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:57,000
And the answer is, you call 911,
like why are you asking me a 

1796
01:28:57,008 --> 01:28:58,900
question? 
You call 911 when that happens, 

1797
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:01,200
they don't even know how their 
lock, local law enforcement 

1798
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:02,600
Works. 
They don't know what they're 

1799
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,500
paying for with their own 
dollars and they live in this 

1800
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:06,100
country and they speak the 
language. 

1801
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:09,000
So, I could only imagine that 
you come in from El Salvador and

1802
01:29:09,008 --> 01:29:11,700
you have no idea and maybe you 
have a natural distrust of the 

1803
01:29:11,708 --> 01:29:13,000
police. 
Lease if you live in Mexico 

1804
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,200
because there's corruption all 
over the place there that they 

1805
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:19,600
have no ability to process this 
culture and what access to law 

1806
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,700
enforcement, they may have. 
And when they do deal with us, 

1807
01:29:21,700 --> 01:29:23,400
they're always shocked. 
It's like oh I didn't realize 

1808
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,600
that you would help us. 
We've gone through on some of 

1809
01:29:25,608 --> 01:29:28,900
these extortion cases just for 
your guys awareness where MS-13 

1810
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:31,100
is threatening somebody with 
their life and the federal 

1811
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:32,900
government. 
You know the FBI in this case 

1812
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,900
pays the extortion money to 
build the case against the 

1813
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:39,000
person that is extorting, we 
give the 20 dollars every month 

1814
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,400
every week, whatever it may be 
Mark the bills and Build that 

1815
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,000
case. 
So that we can go and get that 

1816
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,100
person removed, but there's 
another person that steps in, 

1817
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:47,400
that's what, that's what gangs 
do. 

1818
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:48,700
They've got an entire pecking 
order. 

1819
01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:51,200
So it's just the low man on the 
totem pole, we're picking off 

1820
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:54,700
its transactional, business for 
law enforcement, but the locals 

1821
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:57,700
don't know that the these poor 
people that are being threatened

1822
01:29:57,700 --> 01:29:59,200
with their life, like I said, 
their husband may be on the 

1823
01:29:59,208 --> 01:30:01,500
chopping block because this 
woman doesn't give 20 bucks 

1824
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:05,500
every week, it's horrific and 
there's no political aspect in 

1825
01:30:05,500 --> 01:30:07,300
this. 
It's just human you mentioned. 

1826
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:09,900
It was you know I've heard 
humanitarian crisis a whole lot 

1827
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:13,200
and and I see you nodding along 
Ang but this is a humanitarian 

1828
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,800
question. 
It's not a political question 

1829
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,900
and it shouldn't be we should 
all be able to get together and 

1830
01:30:16,900 --> 01:30:19,700
just say, look these open 
borders, the real consequences 

1831
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:24,000
are people suffer in a really, 
really bad way and an errand was

1832
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,100
able to see it in a intelligence
thing. 

1833
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:28,600
And you were able to see the 
faces that it was resulting in 

1834
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:30,700
and we all know what that is. 
I saw it on the law enforcement 

1835
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:32,600
end of it after they get to 
where they're going because I've

1836
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,500
worked, you know, trafficking 
cases and I sat on those things 

1837
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:38,000
and I've watched doors just see 
like how many men are going to 

1838
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,200
be coming out of here. 
It you know. 

1839
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,400
Can we see a younger female 
coming in and out and if we do 

1840
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,200
like that's kind of the 
indication that that's where 

1841
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,900
it's happening. 
You don't know but they take it 

1842
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:47,400
all over the place. 
They do all kinds of horrible 

1843
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,200
things. 
So we've all seen this in our 

1844
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,500
own sphere and these are three 
different governmental 

1845
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:56,100
departments, under the cabinet 
three of what like 10 or 12 or 

1846
01:30:56,108 --> 01:30:57,900
however many cabinet-level 
positions. 

1847
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:01,400
They all have massive failures. 
Is it 16 now? 

1848
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,800
Yeah, I believe you our 
government probably used to have

1849
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,300
white like three when the was 
like three, guys. 

1850
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:09,600
There's like a department of 
War. 

1851
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:11,500
This is Department of Commerce 
from something else. 

1852
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,900
Now, it's, everybody's got a 
department for some reason, 

1853
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:16,500
roads and transportation 
underneath it. 

1854
01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:19,200
They're all doing a great job 
when we got derailments and 

1855
01:31:19,500 --> 01:31:22,700
child trafficking and you know, 
we're going after pro-life 

1856
01:31:22,700 --> 01:31:24,400
activists. 
I find, I just read another 

1857
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,900
article and you know, that was 
talking about indictments of 

1858
01:31:26,900 --> 01:31:28,800
people sitting outside of an 
abortion clinic of all things. 

1859
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,900
So is there a yeah? 
Yeah. 

1860
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:33,900
What are some of the action 
items that people can do in 

1861
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:35,400
their own world? 
Everybody always wants to know, 

1862
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,000
it's like the scope of the 
problem. 

1863
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,000
I think is, well, documented now
at Leavin in the last hour and a

1864
01:31:40,008 --> 01:31:43,400
half that we've been talking, 
what can people do concrete? 

1865
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,900
You know, whether it's, who can 
they go to welcome it? 

1866
01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:47,900
What can they do on their end? 
Because a lot of people feel 

1867
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:52,000
powerless when they hear this 
stuff and either one of you, if 

1868
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:56,200
you both have thoughts, I might 
stumble through minds. 

1869
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,400
Are you want to go first, I'll 
go with you but. 

1870
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,900
Okay. 
All right. 

1871
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:08,100
Well, I would say call your 
local local legislators and ask 

1872
01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:11,900
them, right? 
Where are the children, right? 

1873
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,500
Wet. 
What's happening? 

1874
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:17,300
With all these children, who are
coming into our state, where are

1875
01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:19,200
they? 
And who are their sponsors? 

1876
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:23,500
So the big secrecy right now and
the lack of transparency is 

1877
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:25,900
around, who are Are the 
sponsors. 

1878
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:30,000
So it's an easy fix. 
People just have to somehow get 

1879
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,200
HHS to turn over the data. 
So it's probably going to be at 

1880
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:37,500
a state level like Florida's 
doing Texas is doing and I think

1881
01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:41,500
Utah's on the way to doing and 
after let's see what were the 

1882
01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:45,000
states, Minnesota, Nebraska, 
Kansas who had all these 

1883
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,000
children found working in their 
slaughter houses. 

1884
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,700
Maybe they're going to be the 
ones as well. 

1885
01:32:49,900 --> 01:32:55,200
So find out and and and say, hey
look, make the Federal Don't 

1886
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:58,300
turn over this information to 
the states, and then, I would 

1887
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:02,100
also say, call your federal 
people as well, call your 

1888
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:05,700
Congressman, call your Senator 
and say, where are these 

1889
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,100
children. 
So, it was on December 5th. 

1890
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,400
That five Senators. 
Wrote a letter to secretary 

1891
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,700
better settle. 
Who is the, you know, he's the 

1892
01:33:14,708 --> 01:33:18,500
head of HHS. 
He's the secretary and asked him

1893
01:33:18,500 --> 01:33:22,000
to respond to these allegations.
You know, is it true? 

1894
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,000
Are these children being 
trafficked, there's been no 

1895
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,100
response as of yet. 
So they can call their 

1896
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:29,000
representatives and say, hey, 
what's going on with that? 

1897
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:33,200
What is the response of HHS to 
the fact that they've been 

1898
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,500
accused of trafficking children?
So, okay. 

1899
01:33:36,500 --> 01:33:40,000
So you're saying this their 
state legislatures, which are 

1900
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,300
obviously much closer to home 
and have much smaller districts 

1901
01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:44,400
reaching out to those people. 
That's the first question. 

1902
01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:47,400
And then is there a concrete 
policy name that they should be 

1903
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,100
referencing? 
Because I know a lot of times 

1904
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:53,500
these the questions have if we 
don't Point our questions, very 

1905
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:57,300
very directly, IE they it's 
like, oh I don't know. 

1906
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,500
But if you give them a thing 
that they can follow up on what 

1907
01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:01,700
is the name of the policies or 
programs you should be 

1908
01:34:01,708 --> 01:34:05,400
questioning about the program. 
So it is Health and Human 

1909
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,100
Services. 
So HHS ACF, which is 

1910
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:14,300
administration of Children and 
Families, then Orr office of 

1911
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:18,000
refugee resettlement, then you 
see program. 

1912
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,800
So the unaccompanied children 
program God that's a mouthful. 

1913
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,100
Do it backwards for him to tell 
them what the lowest level is is

1914
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:26,100
the office. 
Of unaccompanied children. 

1915
01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:33,500
So lowest level is the 
unaccompanied children program, 

1916
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:36,800
okay? 
Which is under office of refugee

1917
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,600
resettlement, under 
Administration for Children and 

1918
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,700
Families under Health, and Human
Services. 

1919
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:45,800
Yeah. 
All right. 

1920
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:47,500
And Aaron you have some 
thoughts. 

1921
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:50,100
Do you have for sure? 
It's complicated. 

1922
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,300
So Doug is the state government 
because all the big part on the 

1923
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,100
thing too, is it's not just the 
federal government operating. 

1924
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:02,400
This they have contractors was 
contact with the headquarters to

1925
01:35:02,700 --> 01:35:04,800
Southern Oklahoma. 
Some, I look at some of them and

1926
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,400
there's, they received a lot of 
money. 

1927
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,300
I believe a couple are no Bid 
And there's there's your heard 

1928
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:11,800
buzzer for me, always to. 
It's like, you got another 

1929
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,600
contract that we should look 
into that state government. 

1930
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,800
Definitely get teeth. 
If you don't know, ask, right 

1931
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,500
guys. 
But I would also recommend, 

1932
01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:25,200
especially states, where they've
already found these cases Got if

1933
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,700
you live in those areas, 
contact, your local media and 

1934
01:35:27,700 --> 01:35:30,000
like, ask more questions, get 
them more involved. 

1935
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:32,500
Point them to these interviews 
that also tears down all sports.

1936
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:35,400
Uh, there's a lot of good 
information out here but um, I 

1937
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,600
talked to a border patrol body 
mind and because I was asked, 

1938
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,600
previously wants exactly I 
believe it. 

1939
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,100
This thing is, you know, this 
thing wants to be done because 

1940
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:45,700
they need to labor trafficking 
too cheap and products, 

1941
01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:50,100
whatever. 
And if organizations is ok, if I

1942
01:35:50,108 --> 01:35:55,700
call Molly quick, the For sure. 
Okay, watch yep, start. 

1943
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,700
Yeah, start finally, get some 
boys out there. 

1944
01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:02,300
Full everything, you can that 
you can from all the government 

1945
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:06,300
opponents are doing this. 
So that goes from DHS to HHS. 

1946
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,600
I'm sure labor might be in there
somewhere doj because they run 

1947
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,400
the program. 
Yep, there's a lot of 

1948
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,100
information that they can start 
getting and it's just, I mean, 

1949
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:15,400
centralized it. 
Like we have to start like 

1950
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,500
ripping through it bit by bit, 
because there is a lot of 

1951
01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:20,300
information to go through. 
It's not going to be easy, 

1952
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,100
except that one too. 
But you know, is it worth it? 

1953
01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:25,600
Yes, it's always been worth it 
as your kids and there's, 

1954
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:28,200
there's nothing ever more 
deserving than protecting 

1955
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,500
children. 
So yeah, I definitely think 

1956
01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:33,800
government local media, but then
organizations, like, Judicial, 

1957
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,600
Watch and others. 
Let me just get involved, you 

1958
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,900
know, start doing things that, 
you know, that you can do with 

1959
01:36:38,900 --> 01:36:41,300
your own powers because they 
might see things also that, 

1960
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:42,800
like, I don't know about, I'm 
going to attorney. 

1961
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,100
So I don't know how they would 
operate those ways. 

1962
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:46,800
Maybe there's other angles, they
can go at it too. 

1963
01:36:47,300 --> 01:36:49,900
There's a lot of possibilities 
and talk to your friends. 

1964
01:36:49,900 --> 01:36:51,800
Keep it simple. 
Make memes the government's. 

1965
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:53,400
The government's trafficking 
children. 

1966
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,800
You know there's things you can 
do to start raising awareness in

1967
01:36:55,808 --> 01:36:58,300
these things. 
Yeah, that's a very local thing 

1968
01:36:58,300 --> 01:37:01,400
to do. 
Do you have any church groups 

1969
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,000
that have reached out to you 
guys, either either of you or is

1970
01:37:04,008 --> 01:37:06,900
there something as being done on
the, on the spiritual front? 

1971
01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:10,200
Because I do know that the sum 
of the sum of the the big 

1972
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,500
changes that we're seeing and 
particularly going after with 

1973
01:37:12,500 --> 01:37:14,500
doj and things like, that is 
when they start infringing on 

1974
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:16,700
religious rights, I know people 
are starting to have a big 

1975
01:37:16,700 --> 01:37:19,800
Awakening in this country about 
their own personal faith and 

1976
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,800
what their church needs to be 
doing an acting in the world. 

1977
01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:25,300
And I'm just curious that the 
answer may be, no, but are there

1978
01:37:25,300 --> 01:37:26,800
any church that you see in pop 
up? 

1979
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,500
All right, so when you say 
church, I'm not quite sure, but 

1980
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:34,400
I know that there's a lot of 
organizations that are called, 

1981
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,500
like Catholic Charities. 
There's a Lutheran one, they're 

1982
01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:40,200
receiving a lot of money to do 
about his operations. 

1983
01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:41,900
These fake home studies, 
everything else, like there's a 

1984
01:37:41,900 --> 01:37:44,900
problem there as well about 
these is organization. 

1985
01:37:44,900 --> 01:37:48,100
So that's not a spiritual front.
That's more of a like me. 

1986
01:37:48,300 --> 01:37:52,700
No, but there are if you, if you
know those organizations look 

1987
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:54,800
into it, call them up, start 
demanding, things are getting 

1988
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,000
information out of them as far 
as local church groups that I 

1989
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,600
know about. 
I can't say, I'm Orthodox. 

1990
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,100
Avoid, you know, I've talked to 
a few people, my church and 

1991
01:38:03,100 --> 01:38:05,400
actually it's kind of cool 
because two of them have 

1992
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,300
actually worked with like honest
trafficking before. 

1993
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,800
And so they've helped me find a 
few other people to be able to 

1994
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,500
like, you know, kind of 
continuous and going cuz I'm not

1995
01:38:11,500 --> 01:38:13,800
stopping with the whatever I can
do it. 

1996
01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:18,100
But yeah, I know that's 
definitely a great one. 

1997
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:22,300
I would love to figure out how 
to reach out to what I think are

1998
01:38:22,300 --> 01:38:24,400
the most important people to for
this to learn as far as an 

1999
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,700
audience, I keep saying it's 
going to be moms and women 

2000
01:38:27,700 --> 01:38:31,100
because Is inherently a mean 
talking about caring for your 

2001
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:32,500
kids? 
You're going to get from them. 

2002
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,700
Yep. 
So however we could talk to you 

2003
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:39,200
know, I've been told him if you 
like Mom's for Liberties a few 

2004
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,000
other ones out there, it's like 
we got to start talking to them.

2005
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,900
They got to start getting out to
their networks and like getting 

2006
01:38:43,900 --> 01:38:47,400
people aware of these things and
really just kind of you know and

2007
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,400
power of people just to do the 
pressure on organizations that 

2008
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,600
are involved in these things. 
People. 

2009
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,900
You know these things will 
succumb to pressure. 

2010
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:57,500
Yes, he will. 
Okay, if it's just like it's 

2011
01:38:57,500 --> 01:39:00,300
just like one when you get us. 
You know, it's like finally I 

2012
01:39:00,300 --> 01:39:01,700
can. 
I feel good now, we can go do 

2013
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:03,800
this. 
It goes to the inverse way when 

2014
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,000
you do the opposite and you put 
pressure on a bad thing, they 

2015
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:11,000
will they will collapse quickly,
it's just the got to feel it the

2016
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,900
follow on with that. 
So I got a McClane Bible Church 

2017
01:39:13,900 --> 01:39:19,000
and my pastor had gone to Nepal 
and talked a lot about the sex 

2018
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,300
trafficking that was going on. 
And so he was one of the first 

2019
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:25,700
people who ever heard. 
Talk about sex trafficking, I 

2020
01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:28,000
just didn't know what was going 
on in the United States at this 

2021
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,100
time and of Yes, I didn't know 
what was going on in this 

2022
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:34,400
program, but there was, there 
are a couple organizations. 

2023
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:38,200
So Tim Tebow actually has an 
organization that's involved 

2024
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,900
with child rescue, okay, not 
from trafficking and then 

2025
01:39:42,300 --> 01:39:46,300
there's a group called a 21. 
I think that's Christine, Caine 

2026
01:39:47,700 --> 01:39:52,100
International Justice Mission. 
So I learned about them, I don't

2027
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:56,400
know, maybe four or five years 
ago and so, but they are 

2028
01:39:57,100 --> 01:40:00,900
trafficking of children that are
not Here in the United States as

2029
01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:04,300
much. 
So there are organizations out 

2030
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:07,300
there that are doing it. 
So, I don't know, specific 

2031
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:12,000
Church groups. 
But I know people, there are a 

2032
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,000
lot of people who are in prayer 
over this. 

2033
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,200
It's very interesting. 
Some of the people who I 

2034
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,200
deployed with is very 
interesting, you know it's like 

2035
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,800
you said you find that people 
with the courage to do these 

2036
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,800
types of things, have their 
faith in God. 

2037
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,400
And so one of the other women 
who from the DC area, We both 

2038
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:34,200
deployed didn't know each other 
until we got to the Dallas 

2039
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,300
intake site and were found out. 
We were deploying together to 

2040
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:40,100
Pomona. 
So, the whole team that went 

2041
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:41,900
mono, we were all Spanish 
speakers. 

2042
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:46,200
And so she's from Argentina, but
here in the DC area and goes to 

2043
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,800
a neighbouring church. 
And so there are a lot of really

2044
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,400
great people who are involved in
trying to help that tell their 

2045
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:55,000
churches about what's happening,
right? 

2046
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,100
Well no I think it's all about 
sentence after this too. 

2047
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,500
Um, I'm because I'm not as warm 
as kind of a obviously. 

2048
01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:03,800
So if someone has heard this 
conversation and then, like, do 

2049
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,600
we talk about this way? 
Better ways of doing this, the 

2050
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,700
Twitter handles are, I believe 
on the screen in our? 

2051
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:10,700
Yeah, that's always going to ask
is if you'll tell people how 

2052
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:13,400
they can get in touch with you 
and how they can follow, you and

2053
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,200
find out the information that 
you guys are exposing, when it 

2054
01:41:15,208 --> 01:41:20,700
comes out so far away. 
I mean, my brother to go see it.

2055
01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:23,400
It's at called out. 
The HS underscores in between, 

2056
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:26,900
you know, called a DHS. 
Yeah, I don't have any 

2057
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:29,300
followers, I will respond to DMS
or comments, you know, I've 

2058
01:41:29,300 --> 01:41:32,400
already had a few times and I 
always make good comments. 

2059
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,900
Whenever someone like, you know,
if I, my fault are of value, 

2060
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:38,000
when I see people retweet those 
things, both be things. 

2061
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,300
I always say like, hey, thank 
you, by the way, keep doing this

2062
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:42,200
with people need to hear these 
things that's all. 

2063
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,600
Yeah, be engaging like you know,
reach out. 

2064
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:47,000
Yep. 
And if you don't see this on 

2065
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,300
Twitter or trousseau, She'll but
I will be I will be tagging your

2066
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:52,800
handles when we put this out. 
So people can find you directly 

2067
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,900
through the the tweets that were
sharing and then we'll be in the

2068
01:41:54,900 --> 01:41:57,400
show notes as well. 
So we'll give people ways to get

2069
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:58,700
in touch with you if they have 
questions. 

2070
01:41:58,700 --> 01:42:01,900
Or if they have suggestions, 
they have job opportunities for 

2071
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:03,900
you are in the same sphere, is 
this kind of, what you think, 

2072
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:05,500
your, your purpose is at this 
point? 

2073
01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:08,100
Because I know you're now 
probably in between some income 

2074
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:11,800
streams. 
Yeah. 

2075
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:17,000
I was like you know that's my 
brain operates. 

2076
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,600
I'm an analyst and I can't get 
off this thing. 

2077
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,900
So right now is from expensive 
it and I feel like if I can't 

2078
01:42:22,900 --> 01:42:25,600
make sense of it I can't explain
it better and moving explain it 

2079
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,200
better than we can all look at 
it and like okay how can we 

2080
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,300
tackle this thing? 
So somewheres in there I'm just 

2081
01:42:31,300 --> 01:42:34,800
trying to make that a thing but 
however works it works. 

2082
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:36,800
It's not getting paid is not 
going to stop me. 

2083
01:42:36,808 --> 01:42:41,600
Obviously this is a Is something
so morally. 

2084
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:44,300
Arming, I think that it's like 
we know these kids have to be 

2085
01:42:44,300 --> 01:42:46,500
saved us. 
Not just you know, because it 

2086
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:48,000
sucks physically like this is a 
Miss. 

2087
01:42:48,300 --> 01:42:49,400
What? 
They are going through spear to 

2088
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,500
themselves. 
I couldn't even imagine and it's

2089
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:54,300
just like if there's one good 
thing, I think I should do with 

2090
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,900
this help. 
However, I can. 

2091
01:42:55,900 --> 01:42:57,600
And whatever way I can. 
You know, if I'm not the best at

2092
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,100
whatever, let me be the best at 
something else and do whatever I

2093
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:02,000
can. 
Yep, I'm going to see if there's

2094
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,100
some organizational setup. 
Yeah, I'm familiar with some 

2095
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:06,400
organizations that have sort of 
kinetic ends of things, but they

2096
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,700
all have a back-end. 
And I know that's probably the 

2097
01:43:08,708 --> 01:43:11,400
harder thing for To staff. 
So we'll try to see if we can 

2098
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,200
find some things on their folks.
If you are aware of an 

2099
01:43:13,208 --> 01:43:16,000
organization that's looking for 
people that have analytical 

2100
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,200
background, that understand how 
the federal government works 

2101
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,400
that know what these problems 
are and you want to reach out to

2102
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,600
either to me or Aaron will put 
you guys in touch. 

2103
01:43:22,900 --> 01:43:25,300
Tara, what is what is the ways 
that people can follow you and 

2104
01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:29,800
keep track of you? 
Yeah, so I don't really have any

2105
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:34,800
social media except my Twitter, 
so I'm at tearily Rodas at 

2106
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,100
Twitter so you can find me there
and if you reach out to me, I'll

2107
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:41,700
definitely get back to you. 
If you have any suggestions, you

2108
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:46,300
know, I'm new to this. 
I did not intend, I can assure 

2109
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:50,000
you. 
I did not intend to blow the 

2110
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,200
whistle on child trafficking. 
I did not even know it existed 

2111
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:54,600
in the program that I went to 
help. 

2112
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,300
So I'm learning and I want to 
learn as much. 

2113
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:00,000
As I can, because I do want to 
learn how I can best help. 

2114
01:44:00,300 --> 01:44:03,500
So, please reach out to me. 
If there are resources that I 

2115
01:44:03,508 --> 01:44:05,700
should have, you know, I'm 
trying to read things. 

2116
01:44:06,500 --> 01:44:09,700
So I want to learn. 
And if there's anything, I can 

2117
01:44:09,700 --> 01:44:14,600
do to help or shed light, I'd be
happy to help in that way. 

2118
01:44:15,700 --> 01:44:18,200
I love it. 
It is something that I think 

2119
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,400
that we all share in common 
that, you know, I don't know 

2120
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,000
that we ever know why God puts 
us in a place that we are in, 

2121
01:44:23,900 --> 01:44:26,700
but does give us the resources 
to be able to handle these 

2122
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:28,400
things. 
Not necessarily in our time, but

2123
01:44:28,407 --> 01:44:30,600
in his. 
So I feel the same way about a 

2124
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,900
lot of this stuff. 
It's become a calling of certain

2125
01:44:32,900 --> 01:44:35,900
types and one of them is that 
I'm going to help kind of expose

2126
01:44:35,900 --> 01:44:37,500
your story. 
Just from my personal 

2127
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:39,700
perspective, I just wanted to 
tell both of you that I thought 

2128
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:42,900
the things that you guys did 
were the most important. 

2129
01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:45,800
It may not be the biggest story 
either really big on Pfizer, but

2130
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,500
the most important thing that 
project Veritas has done is 

2131
01:44:48,500 --> 01:44:51,700
exposed this. 
And when I watch that story and,

2132
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:53,900
and the folks that I talked to a
Veritas were like, oh, have you 

2133
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:55,900
seen our story? 
It's like, holy crap. 

2134
01:44:55,900 --> 01:45:00,500
That is the Eight of what real 
what real exposure looks like to

2135
01:45:00,500 --> 01:45:02,500
me. 
And I don't think the things 

2136
01:45:02,500 --> 01:45:04,800
that, you know, what I'm doing 
is just trying to keep did, you 

2137
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:08,400
know, DHS or doj and the FBI out
of people's private lives. 

2138
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,100
I would be really great if they 
would just leave people alone, 

2139
01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:12,300
this is active evil. 
That is being perpetrated in a 

2140
01:45:12,308 --> 01:45:15,700
much much nastier way and it is 
resulting on children who are 

2141
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:17,700
the most vulnerable of us. 
And if we don't look out for 

2142
01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:18,800
children, we don't look for 
anybody. 

2143
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,800
That's that's the fundamental 
Western value is looking out 

2144
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,100
because Children of the future 
one way another. 

2145
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:24,800
Like if you don't care about 
your future then why are we 

2146
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,100
doing anything? 
So I want to thank both you 

2147
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:28,000
guys. 
Guys, for what you've been 

2148
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:33,000
doing, I'm going to have 
producer, Phil Reed as quick a 

2149
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
little kind of outro here. 
He's got a couple of things. 

2150
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,700
Folks, if you are liking what 
you hear, please do follow the 

2151
01:45:37,700 --> 01:45:39,400
Kyle surface, you'll please put 
some comments out there. 

2152
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,100
Well like I said we'll make 
connections if there's 

2153
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:43,200
questions. 
I know that Aaron and Tara will 

2154
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,600
both be looking at these things 
and we'll we'll share this 

2155
01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:49,400
around social media but moreover
I want this this message is not 

2156
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:51,500
going to go away, we cannot let 
this stuff go quietly into the 

2157
01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:54,100
night because we're all paying 
for it. 

2158
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:56,700
We're all complicit with our tax
dollars, whether we like it or 

2159
01:45:56,700 --> 01:45:58,200
not. 
And we've got to make sure this 

2160
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,600
kind of stuff doesn't happen on 
our watch without some fight 

2161
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,200
back. 
So Phil, if you got a five star 

2162
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:06,300
review from one of our lovely 
listeners, if you would give us 

2163
01:46:06,300 --> 01:46:08,500
a read on that and anything else
you want to add on the end notes

2164
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:10,800
Here? 
Yeah, sure. 

2165
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:12,900
We get a nice one. 
That came in just a couple days 

2166
01:46:12,900 --> 01:46:15,700
ago from one Daddy to writing, 
awesome. 

2167
01:46:15,700 --> 01:46:18,500
Interviewer. 
You certainly have a way of 

2168
01:46:18,500 --> 01:46:22,100
staying on focus and bring out 
the subjects that I want to know

2169
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:24,600
about both outwardly and 
inwardly. 

2170
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:29,700
This all is a spiritual issue. 
Not realizing that would make 

2171
01:46:29,700 --> 01:46:32,000
this craziness in the world, 
much more difficult to 

2172
01:46:32,008 --> 01:46:34,700
understand. 
Listen to you, on the MLK 

2173
01:46:34,700 --> 01:46:36,200
podcast. 
Let's find out about that one. 

2174
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:41,200
Kyle then tuned in to your 
podcast for the Next 3, + H 

2175
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:42,900
bless you Darren. 
Thanks, Darren. 

2176
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,300
Thanks Darren. 
I don't know what the MLK 

2177
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,000
products is. 
We got some questions now folks,

2178
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,900
if you like, what you heard, you
can hear stuff like this. 

2179
01:46:49,900 --> 01:46:53,300
Every Monday and Tara and Aaron,
we will have you guys both back 

2180
01:46:53,300 --> 01:46:55,100
on individually. 
I wanted to share this story 

2181
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:56,500
because I think they potentiate 
each other. 

2182
01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:59,100
As we talked about in the 
medical field, they both both 

2183
01:46:59,100 --> 01:47:01,000
your stories. 
Make the other story, stronger, 

2184
01:47:01,100 --> 01:47:03,100
when people understand the 
background, but I'll get updates

2185
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:06,400
as we go. 
And yeah, check us out later on 

2186
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,900
this week with the Kyle 
seraphin, show for some weekly 

2187
01:47:08,900 --> 01:47:11,600
updates on Today, thank you so 
much for listening, you all and 

2188
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,500
we do really appreciate all that
support. 

2189
01:47:15,900 --> 01:47:17,900
Thanks for listening to the Kyle
Serafin. 

2190
01:47:17,900 --> 01:47:21,800
Show be sure to follow him on 
Twitter and Truth at Kyle 

2191
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:22,600
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