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From where have I heard that before?
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acquitted in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case.
He was brought up on state charges after his work with the
FBI and all of the sort of chaos that went on.
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Number one, he was incredibly nervous about having that
conversation, specifically because I used to work for the
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Today's Kyle Serafin Show interview guest.
Eric Molitor Strap in, folks. This one's a little bit tough.
Alright, Eric, I want to thank you for joining me.
Think Eric's story is gonna be really compelling to you, and I
think you're really gonna wanna hear it.
And some of it we're gonna have to fence off just because of the
legal situation. Yeah.
So Eric, thanks so much for joining me on the Serafin show.
Thanks again man. Alright buddy, look, this is
going to be kind of an awkward conversation in some ways for
you, I think, because you've got a lot of fear.
Tell people why you have some distrust and some fear about
telling your story. Well, I I'm afraid that the
government might possibly get a hold of what I say and chop it
up and try to come after me again.
I was warned that they might do that and that is something they
tried to do during my original trial.
And it's hard for me to trust people because after I got the
not guilty verdict, I had a friend come out and tell me that
they were actually a confidential human source
against me personally. And uh, yeah.
So I'm I'm, I'm always nervous anytime I do an interview.
I'm always nervous, at least at first.
But once I warm up, they'll get better.
I have no doubt about it. You just mentioned a
confidential human source that was into you give people, the
people that don't know what what is the case that they have read
in the headlines that that you were involved in because that's
where we're going to start going to start way back.
But I want people to kind of have a taste of where we're
going to end up with this. OK?
My name is Eric James Molitor. I was accused of terrorist
support or support of a terrorist organisation and the
Governor Whitmer kidnap plot. Which my friend Julie Kelly
refers to as the the Governor Whitmer fed napping because
there were so many feds involved and you just kind of gave us a
little taste that you found out that some of your friends were
in fact confidential human sources for the FBI, My former
employer, I'd like to call our sort of my vindictive ex
girlfriend. So I want to start back at the
beginning. Let's give people a picture who
you are. You're you're a regular guy.
Your your regular human being. Tell me where you grew up and
tell me kind of a little bit about your childhood, if you
would. I think there's probably some,
some, some things people will relate to in that, OK, I grew up
in Cadillac, MI. It's a fairly small town where
we do a lot of tourism around here, so it's really pretty
actually. I grew up on a hobby farm with
my mom and my two siblings and Amy and Jerry.
Amy is my older sister. Jerry is my younger brother.
There is a lake right by our place.
And you know, we used to go swimming all the time, go play
in the woods. We'd ride our bikes down to the
corner store and get soda. Some people call it pop or
candy. We play with the neighbourhood
kids. You know, we had like a little
baseball diamond in their front yard.
We kept mowed down or we play basketball.
My grandpa set up a basketball hoop for us.
There's a typical American childhood.
I mean, it sounds better than a lot of typical ones.
Did you guys have animals on this hobby farm or you just
growing stuff? We had horses and lots of dogs
and cats. Lots of dogs and cats.
I'm. I think a lot of people would be
jealous of the horses. Thing was, did your neighbours
have animals too? Is that?
I mean, were you guys on a little bit of property?
Yeah, we had 10 acres. So originally it was like 80
acres when my grandpa owned it. And then we started selling it
off. When I was younger they started
selling the property off. But yeah, the neighbours had
horses and one of our neighbours was actually Sergeant for the
DNR. So she was really cool, you
know, we go over and pat her horses and whatnot.
What is? What is DNR Department of
Natural Resources? I got it.
OK. So she was working for like the
law enforcement end of, I don't know, like what game wardens or
something. Yes.
OK, fair enough. I haven't heard you mention your
dad at all. Can you tell us a little bit
about what your your dad's story is?
So I didn't know my dad. I didn't meet him until I was
old. He ended up coming back to
Michigan and wanted to try to connect with his kids.
So is that really too much to tell there?
We did formal relationship. I still talked to him today.
I'm really grateful that he's back in my life while he was
younger. You know, I'm, I'm kind of glad
he took off actually. He was an alcoholic and a drug
addict and he was violent. So I'm I'm actually personally
happy he wasn't around because I didn't get to experience that
so. Yeah, that sounds tough.
Was that, how did that affect you as a as a kind of a young
man or a young teenager? As a young man, it it really
hurt. I remember, you know, looking
around and seeing other people with their dads and you know,
when dad had come to the schools or whatever and you know, it
always stood out. Obviously.
It's like, well, I don't get one of those, but I mean it was
rough, you know, and watching my mom being single parent her the
whole time, you know, she raised three kids by herself and it
was, it was hard not having a father.
Yeah, I've got to imagine that was incredibly difficult.
My my wife tells me about when her parents got divorced and she
was a teenager. She was 16 and it was one of the
most devastating things that affected her for years
afterwards. And I could imagine it 13 is
even more formed, especially for a young man.
How did how did that manifest? Did you have any, you know,
acting out or behaviours that were kind of representative that
that lack of male guidance? Oh yes, and especially looking
back on it now, if there is a male role model in the house, I
definitely want to acted the way that I did.
Men have such an integral part to their children.
They offer their little girls. They represent what you know,
what they should expect in a man, and for a little boy, it's
how to be a man. You know how to be socially
acceptable. We're we're part of a society,
man. Like, it's it's my job to
protect and teach, you know, so. It makes a lot of sense.
So without that role model, without, they're like, like dads
are like guardrails, right? Like you get on one side, you
get bashed by your dad. He's just strains.
Yeah, you get on the other side. Maybe your your older brother
strains you out. You got men in your life that do
that. You're missing a guardrail.
Did that manifest? And going through school, things
like that, Ohm it did. I'm I'm uncomfortable talking
about some of those things just because of what I have going on
right now. I know you got into a little bit
of trouble going through you. You ended up leaving high
school, right? I ended up leaving middle
school. Yes.
Eighth grade. Middle.
School. OK, interesting.
And then, so you started working, correct?
I started working. I was 15 years old.
And were you a good worker? I was not a good worker for the
first couple of years that I started working.
I was a terrible worker, terrible employee.
I didn't understand how jobs actually worked, that you need
to be responsible. They needed to rely on me.
I wasn't aware how how important each individual person's role is
in a company. Being 15, you know, I show up, I
I'd be annoyed for a few hours and I make some money.
Well, I know way better now, especially after being a
supervisor and whatnot. You know, if I could go back,
Definitely kick my own butt. Yeah, I think that's something
that's probably most men can look back on.
I mean, if you weren't just a complete moron by the time you
were well, maybe 25, you start straightening things out.
I was still making weird decisions 2526.
So you you look back into your life and you think, you know how
how could have done that better, but you would be the person you
are today. People are looking.
If you're listening on our audio channel, you're not seeing this.
But Eric sitting here with a a nice pair of glasses on, he's
got a button up shirt and he's wearing a collar and looks like
a grown up. But you know, we all do dumb
things when we're kids, right? Yes.
What about, you know, kind of walk me through the path, What
were your jobs? What kind of jobs did you hold?
If you're a 15 year old kid and you're it's got to be tough
because you don't have a, you know, you don't have that
educational background people are looking for.
Do you have a high school diploma?
You know, do you have a college degree, et cetera?
So what kind of jobs could you get into?
So the only jobs that I was eligible for was food service.
So, you know, Burger King, McDonald's being a dishwasher,
stuff like that. OK.
And then as you did, you end up going back and finishing your
GED. I did end up going back and
getting my GD. This is when they started coming
out with like online GD courses. So and then I supplemented that
with adult education at night time as well.
So I could really get a leg out and then whatever, I could study
outside of that stuff. So I'd actually go get like like
math was my worst subject and I knew that I would fail the GD
just based on math alone. I found this stuff called Vedic
math, and it's it's just a whole different way of looking at
stuff when it comes to math. And it made more sense to me,
like I couldn't learn the ways of the schools tried to do it.
It was difficult for me to do it that way.
But this stuff a whole different light.
Anyways, I pass the GED so I did end up getting.
But. I'll tell you something kind of
funny. I got a buddy who's an FBI
agent. He's out Montana and he's the
only FBI agent that I know, which is always kind of a kind
of a white collar background job, right?
You, you, you've seen feds, you've been around them,
unfortunately now more than you want to be, but a lot of them
are, you know, what's what's a good high schools, what's a good
colleges, etcetera, etcetera. And he's the only guy I know
that's got a GED. And he literally just left high
school because he was bored. You went to college and then he
wanted to join the Marine Corps. They told him he needed a he
needed the college degree or an equivalency and he went out and
passed the GED test and then went to war because I was his.
Damn, those are the kind of feeds that I like, hanging out
with kind of interesting dudes who had real stories.
In their background, not the cookie cutter types who were
probably probably willing to say yes when they probably shouldn't
have said yes. So alright, so you're working on
an odd jobs. You've got a GED, now you know
how, how are you moving forward in your life?
How did you kind of did you have a transition when you went from.
I'm kind of a punk kid doing punk things, and I'm now trying
to be a man that's doing the right thing.
There was a very long transition, so unfortunately it
took me a lot longer than it does.
I guess you say the average person.
I'm almost 40 now. I'd say around 2829 is really
when I started to really pull my head out of my own butt.
And what was the 1st? Yeah, What was the step there?
One of the first things that really got me.
I was in a relationship with a girl and I was, I was drinking
and whatnot. Anyways, we got an argument and
she said that she was going to leave and I in that moment I
realised that, you know, she might not come back and the way
that I was was very harmful to being around other people and it
was 100% of me. Like I said, I know she'd come
back. So I called rehab and I got
myself into rehab to to straighten out and I even told
her even if we don't get back together, like I realise that
this is detrimental to any being around anybody and I need to
change myself regardless, even if you take me back.
So it was it was an eye opener right there, because I cared
about her a lot. You at that time.
Oh my gosh, 28. OK that's.
I think a lot of guys gotta get themselves together.
I feel like I started getting myself together at 27, so I
won't hold it against you. And and I had all the advantages
of having to dad around to kind of put that guardrail up and put
the smack down when it needed to be done.
So at 28 you decided to check yourself into rehab.
How did that go? It was terrible.
It hurt. You know, I was, I was drinking
a lot. So no, I was actually an
alcoholic when I got in there. And they did the, you know, they
got to do tests and whatnot, see, check everything on you.
They said I didn't have much longer to live, and that was a
good whack up alongside the head.
I went into detox first, and I was only able to stay for three
days because the next bed that opened in the in the hall was
available in three days. You typically get five to seven
days in detox because once you go in the hall, you don't get
any medications to help wean off.
So after three days I got put over there and I'll tell you
what the pain it was just it was intense.
It was insane. I remember staying in bed for a
couple of days, just stomach, just rack, body rack.
But rehab was very interesting. Hearing a lot of the same
stories. You know, like we obviously
people come from different parts of Michigan and whatnot, but
like to hear the kind of the causes of why people do the
things they do. There's a commonality amongst
users and it was really eye opening which gave me a
different perspective on how to how to think for myself.
Like, you know, why do I want that drink?
No, you don't need it. And to this day, like now, I
don't drink. Like at all.
I don't drink now. What were those common threads
that you were, you were hearing? A lot of it that you would hear
is a lack of a father figure in the house that I don't know why,
but predominantly a lack of a a male role model, a positive male
role model, parents not caring about their kids so much like
like people saying that they, you know, stay out all the time.
The parents won't even ask them where have you been?
You know, we're worried about you and just a lot of childhood
trauma things. There's a lot of molestation,
especially with the females in there.
You know, they hear a lot about that, unfortunately.
And also with males, it's this is something people don't talk
about is molestation with males, you know, because we don't come
forward for the most part. But it's very it's out there,
man. Was that surprising?
It it was there was really surprising.
You still think about men being a victim of something like that?
But I think they say that there that actually when you include
what goes on in prison, that there's actually more sexual
assaults against males in this country than there against
females, even though we only associate it in in sort of
common society with with females.
So it's there. Yeah.
And I see why people do that, but that that's kind of a rule
to the OR the exception to the rule, you know what I mean?
Like women get sexually assaulted outside of a prison.
So when you put nothing but men with high testosterone and
aggressive like you talk about the alphas of alphas, there's
going to be that's going to happen.
You know for I don't think that they should be completed
together. Personally, that's my opinion
on. Yeah, it's rough.
It's also interesting to think about the fact that a lot of
people think they're doing a nice thing for their kids by
giving them a lot of rope. But so many of us just need a
stronger hand, you know, more guidance.
At that young age, it's the opposite.
Just because they look human. Exactly.
It's the exact opposite. You know, I mean, God even says
right in the Bible, you know, they they they were here to
guide them, to teach them and if they get out of line, to put
them back in line. That is my job handed down to me
by God. You know, I have to do this.
And I take that seriously. I have, you know, I have two
kids of my own. I've.
Got about to ask that. So we're sitting here in 2023.
You have kids, you have. What's your family situation?
So I am unfortunately divorced now, but my ex wife and I had
two beautiful kids. My son is Aiden, he's 10 years
old. And my daughters, Hazel, she's 8
years old and they're the best thing I've ever done.
And that's something. And are and you're present in
their life pretty frequently. As much as I can be.
She lives down in Grand Rapids. I get every other weekend with
them. That's our winter schedule.
Summer is every other week. Yeah, we swap weeks.
I used to have custody of them, actually, until the FBI decides
to lie about me. Love it.
Alright, well that's kind of walking us up into there.
And then the last thing in this all goes down in like what 2020?
This is kind of when the wild stuff.
Can you give us kind of the precursors to how you got
involved with the group that that ended up having the FBI
come through your door. What's the, what sort of led you
there? What sort of mindset did you
have? And then like you know what kind
of friends were you make. So this is where most of the
time is going to be needed describing this stuff, right?
So during 2019-2020, everybody saw the civil unrest that was
happening in their country. We're watching places get burned
down, police cars and police precincts being taken over.
I mean are you freaking kidding me that this stuff doesn't
happen in America? People were dying on the streets
were watching murders happen because they were trying to
defend their their businesses and home towns and whatnot.
So you know we got, we got here watching the the police be told
to stand down. Well, they don't have enough
people to to actually do anything.
So what we were doing, me and some groups were treating like a
civil Defence Force, right, so we could help take care of our
community and our people. I've actually once stood down in
Muskegon, which is about 80 miles away from me with a friend
to help secure their place and they did have antique go down
those. Anyway, I'll get to that.
Right. So we're seeing all.
I'm sorry there's so much like rabbit trailing that happens.
But because there's so much that happened during this time, what
I wanted to do was start with civil Defence Force anyways.
And we actually got to start with me and my friend Kelsey,
which service will Defence Force.
We actually had a police liaison, Duff Looter, who used
to work for the Sheriff's Department.
And so we anytime we got information, we run it through
him. He would run it to the actual
police and come back to us. Yes, that's legit or no, that's
not legitimate. So we knew how to keep setting
things up. We worked with bylaws, with the
police, We were never there to supersede them.
We're only there to supplement to help out.
Majority of the time it was only observed and report.
So this is, this is what I was in.
Well anyways we ended up getting some pictures of Vance with
licence plates like real pictures gave it had it run.
He come back and said yes, this is the same things that we're
hearing about. We're hearing the Antifa and
BLM, the the rioters that were attached to these crowds were
coming up and holding up in like outlying areas.
So if you ever coming to Cadillac to do the riots that
actually destroy stuff, they stay in like Luther or Leroy and
hotels and motels out there and then come in during the during
the riots to do deeds and then book it out.
So yeah. How big is city is Cadillac?
How many people have their population wise?
Oh crap, I couldn't tell you, man.
I mean, ballpark, is it like 100,000?
Is it a million? Oh no, it's more than 100,000
now. OK, so it's a medium sized city
then. Yeah, it's a medium sized city.
Yeah, During this time, remember when Covert First kind of came
out, when the government was talking about COVID, they said
you can't get together in large groups.
So I was with a Prepper group at that time and we were having
online class because we wanted to kind of like we didn't want
to get in trouble for actually getting together.
So we had an online class. I was running the iPad class,
individual first aid kit. I have a little bit of a medical
background. So I was offering that and
that's why I saw this out of box guy for the first time, right?
Prepper Group was Wexford in my county and surrounding counties.
Like a buffer zone. Who can, who set it up?
Was awesome. He did a good job.
Adams from Grand Rapids, so I don't know why he was in that
group. Wasn't my business.
Anyways, I'm running the class, you know, there were some
questions. That's when I saw Adam for the
first time, you know? So again.
I'm doing platform. Are you guys?
What are you organising on? Is this on Reddit?
Is this on YouTube? Like where are you guys doing
these things? I believe it was just a zoom
class instead of zoom. How do people find you though?
How do they know to even come and do an eye fat class with
you, Let's say thank you. So Ken Varney actually started
this prepper group and so he kind of brought people in and
so. Whenever he nails and saying,
hey, we're going to do a zoom call, I'm just kind of curious
like what the and the reason why And I'll tell you why.
I'm curious, when people get lured into FBI schemes, there's
always some hook that comes in there.
The FBI finds them in some ways. And I'm curious if we can, if we
know how they sort of got involved with you or how they
became aware of your group based on where you guys were.
Yep. So Ken, yeah, he was not
involved by the way. They actually investigated him
too. He's a former felon.
He was not a CHS. I guess some paperwork
describing how they looked into him.
He wasn't even a a thought in their head, blah blah blah.
But anyway, so yeah, that's where I saw Adam for the first
time, right? Second time I saw him.
I was doing helping with security at Rosa Parks Circle in
Grand Rapids and I saw him out in the crowd.
Dudes got a pretty recognisable face.
That's how you know. So I see him.
I'm like, hell, yeah. So I went over and I shook his
hand. That's how I, you know, actually
met, met the guy. So anyways, back to what I was
saying about the police liaison. He gets this stuff and I ask
Adam, he'll be we're here in the coming up and down South and the
Grand Rapids, the South. Let's see.
I was like, you know, where we have Intel on this stuff?
Actually showed him the pictures.
I was like, if you heard anything, have you seen
anything? No, No.
Yeah, these are the vans, the actual pictures.
And so I asked them, if you do, just let us know, you know, so
this was our, this was our relationship.
We don't know each other, man. I saw him.
I went and shook his hand. We stayed in contact here,
there, just over. Good guys stuff, because he was
also standing in Lake Lansing and Grand Rapids during these
riots to try to help protect businesses as well.
Everything this guy talked about was all positive.
He want to do things the right way.
The dude got high, you know? I was like, yeah, we can be good
friends. Like, he seemed really cool.
So, OK, where am I at now? Starting the Civil Defence
Force. So yeah, I asked him about that.
I'm sorry. It takes me a second to catch up
sometimes because you're good for me.
This is this is 3 years just jumbled up in my head and I'm
trying to get it out in the nearly for you.
You know what I mean? Yeah, and I'm going to help kind
of guide you through. What I'm curious is you use the
word civil Defence Force. Tell me what that looks like in
your head. What?
What is a civil Defence Force? So the civil Defence Force is
people. So it's the civilians actually
standing up and protecting their towns and each other.
So defence is exactly what it means, only defensive.
We're not there to hurt anybody to start shit.
We will stop it. But yeah, that's it.
Just defensive and a force. So people coming out and mass to
show force, you know, because if you look like a hard target,
you're not going to get messed with near as much, you know
that. So the more people show up,
especially armed, especially if you got kit, you're not getting
messed with. And we actually did.
Cadillac was protected, but people did try to stage
backpacks with bricks in them. They were found, so this was a
real threat that was coming up here.
This is the typical situational awareness.
They did this in Idaho very effectively too.
People would come marching in with the BLM nonsense.
There were a bunch of guys that showed up and said hey, we're
all retired military and you can't do this in our town.
And then they turned around, went somewhere else and found
someone, somewhere to go destroy.
So understood, OK, so it's a group of people, mutual aid,
civil defence and and what what numbers were you guys?
Like how many people were organising for this?
So the first time they went out, I actually wasn't part of it
because I was doing private security for some you, some US
Marshals had a business and I worked for them.
I was downstate on the Ohio border, so I was kind of
helping, you know, just hearing things and talking while while
that was going on. But there was like 200 people
that showed up and what we did was we organised on Facebook so
it was completely open. The public could see it.
We weren't trying to do anything legal at all.
Obviously this is all good guys stuff, so that's how that's how
they all found out about it. Yeah, when I heard two, around
200 people showed up just for just for the group alone, not
not even the other citizens. There's like 300 people all
together. That was really nice to hear
that people took such an interest in the awareness of
people to know that this is a dangerous situation, but nothing
happened, nobody got hurt. So it was.
Perfect. Were there any conflicts on that
first kind of outing there with the 203 hundred people be LMT
for type engagement? One of my friends told me that
some of the ringleaders, I don't know how they know who
ringleaders are. I wasn't aware, but he said that
there was a BOM leader and an Antifa leader that were there
and when he went up to confront them because he actually wanted
to ask them questions that they actually booked it out of there
so that there was that confrontation.
Other than that, no everybody minded.
People fuse. Keep walking me forward through
this thing cause I know we're going to get some real spicy
pretty soon. Yeah, So the Civil Defence
Force, Adam, running the stuff through Adam.
So that was my that was my interactions with Adam, right.
We're not friends. We've never hung out.
After a little bit, he gets ahold of me and asked if I
wanted one to cover a shift for him because he had this meeting
in Ohio, but I know what that meeting is now.
I didn't that he said it was a national militia meeting.
That's not uncommon with the groups that I ran with.
To hear about this, I asked him, yeah, what's the job?
He said private security. Holy cow dude.
I've been wanting to get in this for a long time.
Are you kidding me? Like, what a dream come true.
I said yeah. So I went and stood for him and
Sam like me so much. He was a Sam Riley the US
Marshall there. He liked that I would just show
up at a whim and and do this for him that he actually hired me
on. So I was really grateful to Adam
forgetting me this. Do the best money I've ever
made. That was insane.
Like minimum $400.00 a day. I was so happy.
So there's that connection. Um, a little bit later and I I
have these tax due. I have the tax everything.
I have everything. You know it's I didn't know what
was going on. Adam gets ahold of me and asked
if I want to go on a ride. OK And I asked him, yeah, what
do you got in mind. He simply said a high profile
vacation house. There is nothing said about
Governor Whitmer or anything else.
So with everything else that I have going on doing good guys
stuff, actually being in in league with the police and and
everything else, I'm thinking OK, have profile vacation house
or is it somewhere that antique BLM are going to get smarter.
They going to hold up in a private residence now instead of
like outline hotels and motels because you aren't going to be
seen in a prior residence. That's a genius.
Or is this a place that they're looking at you destroyed?
I have no idea. But everything that Adam and I
was was talking about and everything that we were involved
in, even independently, all this good guys stuff, my only mindset
is protection, protection, protection.
So I said, yeah, I don't even know where we're going.
Like I said, I have a little bit of a reporter with this guy.
He seems cool. I know red flags, man.
Yes, let's go do whatever it is. So if I go too fast, may I feel
free to stop because I do get to ramble.
Anyways, Him and Dan. Dan was the CHS guy, never met
this dude in my life, don't know him at all.
They they end up coming up to my place from Lansing, right?
Adam did send me a picture of the map and it said, you know,
is there in Lansing something about I thought it said Belair
and then Mackinaw Island. I'm like, I don't know what all
they got going on. I don't need to ask you.
They'll fill me in. So anyways, yeah, they come up,
they come in the house. Dan asked if he could use the
bathroom because they had to go pee.
Of course, you know, I'm not going to said yes.
So this guy comes in and this is how they scope your house out.
This is how they get your layout.
So he came in. Adam and I end up getting high.
They didn't talk about anything illegal.
Broken marijuana is that, yeah, me and Adam were.
Dan didn't smoke. He said he couldn't because of
his job. Yeah, we know why.
But my mom was there. Well, and the FBI tried to say
that she smoked with us too, and she did not smoke with us, So
that was a lie. Like trying to paint my mom in
this negative light as well. Anyways, they didn't talk about
anything illegal. At one point.
They did talk about boosting a car now.
OK, red flag, right? But the owner knows about it and
they're running it as like a FTX sort of thing.
Like the guy said, yeah, you can try to boost my car if you can
get it. You got it, you know?
So we put out the. Taxes.
FTX is a field training exercise and these are where you will go
and either learn or hone your skills.
Whether it's medical shooting so weapons manipulation or even
breaking it up and down how to clean it.
We just get together as militias and like minded people and train
each other on militia style things.
So there's a lot that goes into. That yeah, I know it's military
terminology, it's just sometimes acronyms go over people's heads,
so I just want to break it down. But this is a training exercise,
people getting together and doing some form of guided
training in a group. And the idea of doing a.
Of of boosting a car as part of a training.
What was the the training value that was there If you're
boosting a car, I had no idea that that was the person I heard
of it. So I have no clue.
And and honestly there's so let's say there's like a shit
hits the fan situation, a grid down situation, something like
that you lost kind of go out the window and if you need to do
something for your survivability or the benefit of your group,
you and yours, you know boosting cars, the least of our worries
at this point. So whatever they have going on,
that's their business. It's outside of my purview at
this point. They haven't talked to me about
it. I don't care.
Plus, they had mentioned that the guy knew about it and was
cool with it. I seriously have no worries
whatsoever. I'll give people kind of a
little bit of context on that too.
I have friends who were wildland firefighters and when they're
working behind fire lines where everything is going to get
burned, they will do that. They will steal vehicles, they
will Hotwire, you know, tractors and equipment.
They will use it for things. They'll take come into peoples
houses which are about to get burned and they'll eat their
food because they're living off the land, they're foraging and
everything's about to get burned and covered by insurance.
So this is, this is a survival type mindset that's a little bit
different than what most people deal with.
But if you're in the prepper world, it makes sense to me.
It doesn't like that Doesn't I agree with you, that's not
necessarily a flag off the top, no, no.
So thank you for expounding on that because yeah, there's
there's some nuances that go on that that make it make sense.
So anyways we we finished smoking.
We start walking out the door. I previously bought this RF
detector that's a radio frequency detector.
So again, right. Why would somebody have this.
So being in private security, not knowing Jack crap about it,
I want to move up. You know it's very competitive
And so I'm watching YouTube videos like these experts what
to do, what not to do. This one guy, he was talking
about how he has an RF detector and when he brings his
principles out, the principles of the people that you're
protecting, then he will want either the car they're about to
get into, the the conference room, their hotel room.
Now obviously this is stuff that you do outside of their view.
You don't let your person come up on and not secured area.
So this when you do in front of them, it's not about actually
being efficient, it's to make them feel comfortable.
So I bought the cheapest piece of crap I could find.
It was like 50-60 bucks for this thing.
I don't know how it really works, you know, it was just
some to make other people feel comfortable and I want to move
up and my bosses were talking to me about moving up.
So anyways, I saw on the way out the door and I was like, oh
cool, it's something to show off, man, being a dude and being
in the groups that you were and you know how guys are, but you
get a gun, you get equipment, make you want to show the stuff
and it's. Based on your time, yeah.
So I show him the RF device outside and it's on audio
because Dan, of course, is wired.
And so we have everything, man. I I got the full 5 hour audio.
So I'm showing showing them how it works.
It's got to be like right on top of whatever it is.
So Dan had his phone in his hand and yeah, it beeped, Oh wow, I
found your phone in your hand like this.
So fucking spectacular. So then Adam, he's like, oh man,
bring that to the FTX in a couple of weeks.
So that was my first time hearing about the FTX.
And of course I'm going to go. It's in Luther right behind me.
I don't have to go to Wisconsin or way downstate.
Yep, I'm going to go. I would have went whether Adam
one or not. I would have taken my RF device
whether I was asked to or not because yeah, I'm going to show
that off. So anyways, I want to put it
back in the house and we get in the truck as soon as I get in.
Adam does make what I consider a dark joke.
He said OK, so we're going to go up to the Temperatures house and
we're going to hurt scope out her house and with her because
the Tyrant Bitches house. Did you know who he was talking
about at the time? Just out of curiosity, assume
like, I had an idea, but you know, no, you know, nothing
explicit. Anyways, he said they were going
to blow up her boat and she gets another one.
We're going to blow that one up. If she gets another one, we're
going to blow that one up. And then he starts laughing
maniacally. Dude, that was a joke.
I don't care how inappropriate and dark it was.
And the reason behind this, like being angry about a boat in them
is because her husband, during the COVID lockdowns and all
that, trying to get his boat put in there, the Marina.
And the guy said no, you know, it's it's too early still.
And he said, does it make a difference if I'm the governor's
husband? Yeah, dude, so.
I remember that. I remember that press coming out
at the time and it being absurd because her husband was flexing
on on just individual people while she was locking down the
state. So you know, all this stuff
rings true to me. I was following Michigan because
Michigan had some pretty rough lockdowns.
Oh man. Yeah, we sure did.
So, yeah, so people were upset about that.
And I've heard other dark jokes specifically about about about
their boat, you know, So this it was worrisome to hear it.
But also with what little bit I knew of Adam, I wasn't it wasn't
like, oh, that's Red flag. Get the fuck out of the truck.
You know these are a bunch. Of guys sitting in a in a in a
vehicle together. Like on a road trip, right?
And Dan, right. So Dan's driving Adams and the
passenger and I'm right behind Adam in the in the back.
So anyways, he says that I'm like whatever, you know, in my
head, you know those old rubber stamps that are like rejected or
revoked. So and I when he said that in my
head, I just saw it coming out of the black and caching.
And so I laughed. I was like, oh man, you I saw
this in my head. So that was the contribution.
The FBI called that a discussion.
We discussed following up for Vote No and you said we just
did. Yeah, yeah.
It's the equivalent. What people do on Twitter, well
though somebody will say something like inappropriate and
somebody else will go disavow. You know, the the it's just
being silly. It's it's there's a there's a
common there's an Internet meme about this whole sort of thing.
I mean, saying disavow when somebody says something
inappropriate for inappropriate humour.
It happens all the time anyway. OK, this is yet another example
of feds not having a sense of humour, it turns out.
But alright, carry on. Only when they say it is it ever
funny. And I got a couple of points on
that. Like some people in FBI saying
we got a saying in our office, don't let the facts in the way
of a good story or something like that.
Are you freaking kidding me? Agent Influence.
Hendrick. Envelope.
Impala. They were terrible human being.
Anyways, where was I Do. I'm sorry, I just got mad.
So. You're sitting in the back seat.
You're riding, you're riding, bitch.
You got two guys that are both now and Adam was working with
the with the feds as well, right?
That's the story. No, Adam is not one of the.
OK, got it. All the facts of this case are
gonna be a little so. Alright, so Dan is a either an
agent or a CHS. Which what is he the HS?
He's the original CHS, actually. All right.
So he's working for the FBI and that's why he's not smoking.
And and Dan is that's, I'm sorry, he's Dan is driving and
Adam is sitting in the passenger seat telling silly jokes and
making fun of Gretchen Whitmer in her boat.
Yep, made one joke. Drive forward.
Keep going. So I'd also like to point out at
this point that my crime supposedly was that I took a
video up there that was my material support.
So Dan coming in and casing my house previous to me actually
doing anything, I'd like to point out how weird that is.
I was already being looked at and set up before I even did
what I was accused of, You know what I mean?
Like, that's really weird to think.
About we'll dissect this, I'll I'll dissect it with you, and
we'll actually show it out to people how this kind of stuff
works later. I want to hear the story.
Rear end of it. And and then we'll talk about
how the FBI does this stuff for sure.
OK, so then after that dark ass joke, we drive for an hour,
hour, and 20 minutes, however long it took up to what I
assumed was Bel Air, I found out.
Seriously, not too long ago. It was Elk Rapids we went to.
So I wasn't even in the right area in my head the whole time
up there. And I'm telling you, I got 5
hour fricking audio. I'll send it to you dude, it's
insane. They never talked about this the
whole way up, so I didn't have any knowledge beforehand.
I didn't have any knowledge on the way, not once we got up into
Elk Rapids. So that's when they start
talking. Adams started talking about her
address. OK, we're, you know, we're
looking for House. Still seem weird.
Governor Whitmer boom. That's what we're even right
now. Hearing that, I get busy and my
gut just drops. That's when I realised what was
actually happening. And I didn't know the severity
of stuff. You know, like, I just know that
they said we're, you know, scoping out of the House.
Governor Whitmer, boom. That's scary.
Then they start talking about more stuff.
Now I'm sitting in the back. Dan was a professional door
kicker for the military. He was a forward observer.
If you don't know where that is, people, that is, somebody goes
behind enemy lines and lights them up with the laser so
artillery can take them out. This guy would.
He did dangerous work. He's a combat veteran.
He showed video. He was legitimate, you know?
So yeah, I'm worried. These guys just picking from my
house, they know where, you know, I live, where my mom is,
where my kids are at. So you know, they're talking
about this stuff, this guys professional shit kicker with a
gun at him is a steroid person, you know, and he's got a gun as
far as I knew at that point. I'm fucking scared.
Yes, I have my gun on me and this guy brought up too.
Why? Well, you know, why were you so
worried you had your gun, bro? Because I got a gun.
I want to shoot somebody. No, man, that's the last thing I
want to do. I have to sit back and behind
these guys and think about that, Like how does this go down if I
if I have to do something and that hurt me having to think
about hurt somebody else, but if I had to, I have to.
One of the things that I thought about was, you know, do I tell
him I got to go to the bathroom, going to fucking gas station,
called cops and then what? Cops show up.
Now there's a gunfight. Our innocent people are going to
get shot or police officer is going to die.
So in the moment, with no training, no backup, no funding,
no Expo plan like all the FBI had in their CHS is I had
fucking nothing. You know?
I had to figure out in the moment how to survive.
I can't tell. No, I'm not cool with this.
Please stop and drop me off. How far are they willing to go
to keep me quiet? They just talked about kidnap
and whatever else right in front of me.
No, man, I'm not going to let on that.
I'm not. OK.
So when they finally found the house.
Before, before we go any further in this this conversation,
because this is actually fascinating stuff and I and I
absolutely agree with all the things that you're you're
working through. This is.
The the inner workings that they would, they would normally have
to say this is your intent and your intent is, it sounds like,
very different. You were acquitted of all this
stuff. That's really wild.
Yes, so because I did not have the time.
Because this is, this is already come out and this is already
been put in front of a jury. So we're telling your story
after the fact. I just want to put that out
there for people you're going through.
This has already been ruled on. This is not like a fantasy.
This is not pending. This is done.
This has already been looked at by a jury.
So keep telling the story, but as people do that, I want them
to have that in their head as well.
Yeah. Thank you.
Yeah. Not guilty by all 12.
So that says a lot. Anyways, yeah, so I have to sit
there and think about so much. So I can't even tell you
everything that I thought about. Time stopped, you know?
Like people were like, well, how long between this and that, You
know, did that happen? Dude, time didn't matter.
I didn't give a fuck. About 10 minutes, 5 minutes.
My life is on the line. It was an eternity.
Let me tell you how long it was. A fucking eternity, OK?
These guys, They finally found her.
Found the address, so they drove all the way from Lansing with no
address. OK, they were not planned.
They didn't have it planned out. This was not legitimate.
They were up there, just fucking off, but found the address.
How do you find out? You have any idea?
There is another gentleman, Sean Fix, who got real close.
Real close. It was like he was like a number
off or whatever. But Adam eventually ended up
hunting it down completely, I believe on Dan's phone because I
hadn't didn't want to use his phone.
He was paranoid about it so he used Dance phone, which is weird
because we don't have a phone dump at Dance Phone anyways.
The CHS didn't get a phone dump. Weird.
OK, no. And though his phone was used
for these commissions, you know what I'm saying?
And probably paid for with FBI dollars based on the way we do
it. But that's cool.
Oh yeah, he got a truck and a house and all sorts of shit out
of this. A laptop?
A watch. A nice watch.
Now shit, where was I, man? They're driving around.
You guys find the address you're looking it up on.
Dance phone. Keep going.
Yeah. So they actually found the
address. We went down the road a couple
of times, and when Adam first saw him and he was super
excited, you know, so that's it. And I forget exactly what he
said, but he was so excited. Again, very childlike in nature.
This is not something that lends credence to somebody who's
serious about doing this sort of operation.
Like, this is heavy. This isn't something that's a
joke, You know? Sit there, fucking laugh about
it and you know, get all excitable like a child
throughout this ride, my threat level, like I did feel it come
down right. It's not like life and death,
life and death the whole way through the right life and
death. And it did start to wane just
based off stuff I was seeing and hearing.
So Adam acting that way. One of two times I saw Dan roll
his eyes because he kind of like cock eyed over to Adam when he
was acting crazy and rolled his eyes, which I could see from
where I was at. It's like OK, so he the
dichotomy there, he's not completely in line with Adam and
Adam's acting this way. This guy's quiet, barely saying
anything. I didn't seem like he was on
board. It seemed more like he was kind
of playing along with Adam and, you know, making Adam, you know,
OK, let's play your game sort of thing.
Which he did. Now we know why.
So you know, this is just everything I have in my head at
this time I have to go through is untrained person, man.
Apparently I did everything right though, because I hear the
FBI and the CHS talk about why they did what they did and I'm
like, fuck, I figured that out Moment, man.
But anyways, on one of the rides they and was like, hey
Barricade, I need you to do me a favour.
Like what? You know, I said I need to take
a slomo video. Fuck man, you kidding me?
I'm sitting there, quiet and again.
They call you Barricade, is that correct?
Yeah, that's your nickname. OK or.
Or call sign. That's alright.
Call signs are always kind of funny.
And then he's who's asking you specifically to take the video,
Adam Foxton. OK, so Adam is, and he's not
cooperating with this. He's just excited because he's
like a kid in a candy store. He's getting to do Amish.
He's getting to do a mission, dude.
That's what he was so excited about the whole time.
And when you read the text between him and Dan or him and
other people, like he's so excited.
Oh you know, we do so much recount.
We've done tonnes of Recon in the past, but like he's so he's
just bloviating like you would never heard before.
This guy's not serious, dude. We have an innocent idiot
sitting and praying. I hate calling an idiot because
I don't really think Anyways, he got set up and he should not be
in prison. None of these guys should of.
But anyway, so yeah, he asked me to take the slomo video.
He didn't ask me to shoot somebody.
There was no talk about blowing things up.
Well, he didn't ask me blow anything up.
Those two would have been hard notes.
I would have had to have taken a stand, even at the risk of my
life. I cannot.
I cannot do those things. I just, I don't have it in me.
So you asked me to take a video, man.
Fuck yes. I took a video.
I got home to my kids. People like, oh, why would you
do that? Why didn't you just say no?
Because I wanted to get home with my kids.
So he said video. Fucking a right, dude.
Here you go. I took a video.
I didn't pan it on anything. I didn't scope one thing out.
As we drove by, he said put off the window.
I put up to the window and we drove by.
You know, unlike the FBI, who when they took pictures of the
Mackinac Place for them, they got avenues of approach from all
different angles, passed through trees, the walls, they got
padlock, the fucking gate, you know, all different ways to get
in. It was crazy, the depth that
they went into, you know? And previously the video
animated. Film is what we do.
If you're going to go and approach a target, you want to
know your routes in your routes out, what your contingencies
are. I used to do this for a living.
I was, you know, I was a surveillance guy.
So I spent three years in a car looking.
What are the pitfalls? What are the where's, where's
the automatic lights? Where the where the surveillance
cameras. What avenues are you not going
to be seen in? Where can you park a car and not
be, you know, bothered? Where can you set a look out?
All the things that. We do this for a living.
So that's not crazy to me, to think that somebody from the FBI
would know how to do that. Like SWAT does it every every
time they do a hit, every time they do it, they send somebody
out, they do a Recon on the thing.
It doesn't take forever. You don't get excited about it.
It's just work. Just go take pictures.
It's not a big deal. So then when you're taking a
picture for suppose a terrorist, why wouldn't you just take a
couple of pictures and say, hey, here's what we got for you.
Why would you go through all the ins and outs and make it as
professional as possible? Because the guy that supposedly
took the picture, his legend was that he was a janitor, right?
How would he know what to do? All that stuff he did, not
actually. They they happy I did it, handed
it to him and then he gave it over to these guys.
So that's how that played out. That's how much today looking
back you go, OK, I'm being set up by the feds when this is
happening and it looks really obvious at that time.
I don't think anybody had that instinct.
I think three years after the fact, you guys were kind of the
Canary in the coal mine in many ways.
Most people now if somebody says something like even even like a
January 6, people are calling fed, fed, fed at at Ray apps,
right. I mean you.
Can't get away with this stuff today in the way that they did
it, but it was so blatant in some ways.
People would call it Fed Jacketing.
They would call it, you know, they would call you a narc.
They would call you some kind of Everyone thinks it's a setup
now. You can't.
I don't think you could do any of this stuff today just because
the way that your story got so big.
No, you you couldn't. It never would have worked
anyways. That's the thing.
This stuff was never serious. You know, if you are serious,
why would you Just so this one thing that they talk about was
upset because that's one of the one of the things in the law is
if they try to avoid apprehension, right.
So upset they kept talking about this.
Here's another military term that, you know, tough militia
guys like to throw out there. Dude is operational security.
So something like going on to encrypted apps.
Everything's fucking encrypted. So no matter what you talk on,
you have just participated upset.
You have committed a one element of a felony.
OK, the laws, especially in Michigan after 911 in Michigan,
we adopted, I mean the patriotic damn here, the Patriot Act.
But on the state level, there's a reason that all this stuff
went down in Michigan as opposed to any of the other states that
were supposedly involved with this.
Because no other states had the laws on the book that would
allow the government to come after an average person like
this. So it had to happen in Michigan,
and no one could convince me otherwise because we we have
some pretty messed up laws. So yeah, yeah, I forgot where I
was going with. You did the you were telling us
about the video. You're telling you hold it up to
the screen, you're ready to get home to your kids.
I get all that stuff. Keep walking through where this
trip is about. Yep, so, oh, previous to that,
there was something else that happened.
We ended up going to a diner, a bar to get to get something to
eat. When we got out of the truck,
Dan mentioned about, you know, it's a bar.
We don't. I don't know if we can take our
guns in there. And even though I was pretty
sure that we were OK as long as we sat away from the bar area,
that is the law. You know, just him saying that
because he was an RSO before Range safety Officer, so he
knows a lot about guns. I was like, you know, I don't
want to mess with that either. So I'll Up until that point,
nobody even knew I had a gun on me.
That's when I took it out, you know, and stole it in his
vehicle so we could go in. That's when Adam claimed he
didn't have a gun on him. So whether he did or didn't, I
didn't know. But yeah, so we we went.
And then when we left, that's the ride afterward that I ended
up taking the video, they went over to a boat launch and tried
to find her place from across the boat launch.
Oh shit, man. Again, I'm rabbit trailing at
the fricking diner. Adam was making a map.
Dan had given him the paper and the pen and was coaching him.
They were he. It was his idea to find where
the, like police were at. And so they had miles away and
everything on this map. Again, in the audio, I you don't
hear me say anything about I'm sitting there minding my own
damn business. I don't want to be a part of
anything. I'm not in the truck acting all
sudden like, oh, yeah, man, I can't wait to do this.
I'm not one of these guys. I barely know.
Adam. Do I want everybody to know
this? I was not a part of any group.
Wolverine, Watchman, Second Continental Militia as the US,
you name it. I was not a part of any group.
I did not know anybody I knew. Adam.
Barely. I got wrapped up out of the 14
guys. I never went to any meetings.
I didn't help with any planning. I got duped into a fucking ride,
you know what I mean? And just because of everything
that I was involved in, I ended up rubbing shoulders with other
people who are very, very similarly minded, you know?
We're not exactly thinking the same, obviously, but we're very
similarly minded, you know, And that's how easy it was for me to
get wrapped up in this. I got dumped on the right.
So Adam, not being an agent of the state or CHS, I did not get
entrapped because no Fed or CHS asked me to do this and it
wasn't duress because nobody overtly threatened me.
So I fall in this niche where I don't even have a defence other
than, yeah, I took the video, but I didn't want to.
Everybody's like, you know how dumb that sounds?
Like I'm gonna fuck what you think.
Seriously. Three years?
I never once asked my attorney. Do you believe me?
I never asked one person.
Three years if I if anybody believe me, I don't need anybody
else to believe me. I know that I did not go out to
hurt anybody. I don't need anybody else to
believe that shit. I'm just going to ask people to
kind of in our audience, just to take a second and as we kind of
digest where we're at here with this.
But. I I can probably think of a half
dozen instances in my own life and and we talked before we we
started taping here, you know, if you're a young man.
If you're if you're a man, man of any man of any age, and you
don't look. Back and go like there's been a
one or two times when I've been either in a car or at a table or
around a group of guys talking about something that seemed like
it, it was off. And you're like, man, this is
not my jam, this is not what I'm about.
But you're not gonna just step up.
We're we're sort of socially conditioned, both as men and
also as just as human beings. To not rock boats.
There's a reason why a lot of atrocities have happened,
because people don't throw the US flag, and there's a reason
why a lot of people end up sitting in places going like.
I don't think this is really what I'm about, but there's no
overt threat at that moment. And and afterwards you look back
at it a couple years later and you go like, man, I'm really
glad I got out of that, OK? I'm really glad that this didn't
go the way it could have gone. I now have some wisdom some some
space. And I go, man.
That could have gone really sideways.
Like we could have those guys could have robbed the bank and I
would have been in the car with them.
Those guys could have run over that Lady and like, they thought
it was funny and I didn't know if they were serious or not.
Or you take your pick up, my friends got into a car drunk,
whatever. It was like, everybody's got
that story. And that story for you is what
you just told me. I can sense it.
I know where it is. I I know what that feels like.
I've been in a car where you just go like.
This might not turn out well. I'm really glad.
And when it didn't, when it turns out well, you're like, I'm
really glad it didn't go the way it could have gone.
I'm glad I didn't have to run out of there or shoot my way out
of it or fight my way out of it or escape and be out in the
woods by myself, like trying to figure how to get home with no
phone like these, this happens. This is by good.
That's like a regular as there's a guy who's a Special Forces
guy. He's a former Delta Force guy
and he calls it regular dude shit and like the sick regular
dude shit. Like, sometimes you just do dumb
things, right? It's just dumb and you just go
like Adam. Glad I got out of that.
No. It's hard for anybody, and I
imagine if you're a woman, that's not a thing that you've
experienced nearly as much. I just, I don't know.
I'm not a woman and I and I wouldn't pretend to know.
But I imagine even women have a moment in their life, like, I
shouldn't have gotten that car. And I'm glad it worked out OK.
My wife has told me stories about getting into a subway car
and getting out of it and being, like, really glad.
Oh well, he'll be back, my friend.
There he is. Oh, there he am.
I just like this. We'll just call that the NSA
kicking in on our our. Piece.
Sometimes things are weird. OK, so you're you're in a weird
diner. They're they're talking about
stuff. Adam's childishly excited about
it, which is not that. That's like cosplay stuff to me,
You know, just being honest about it.
It's it's Larping to me. Oh, you had to watch a Larping.
That's a red flag word. I think you're the one that
actually exposed that. That's one of the words on the
list. Is it?
Larping yeah. Interesting.
Tell me, tell me why that is. I I called the guys who do
Antifa Larpers. They look like Larpers to me.
I've seen them through night vision, fighting with cops, and
they think that they're like battling, you know, evil Dragons
and stuff, like they're all dressed up in costumes.
Anyway. So I always think Larping is
just, you know, it's just silliness.
But why was that? Why was that?
Flag do you think? Because apparently the
government's trying to get a head start on certain words that
can be used. So Larping Live Action Role
Playing either has been or possibly could be used to
describe an FTX. I mean, that makes sense.
Yeah. And that may have been on that
million extremist list. I I don't have all the details
of it in the top of my head. The thing that drove me the most
nuts was essentially kind of like what you were involved in.
There's a group called American Contingency.
You've heard of that? Fuck it.
Sounds familiar? It it's Mike Glover, who's a
former Green Beret and a former CIA contractor.
And like an American hero, Oh yeah, he created American
Contingency. It was just an online group for
people to basically get together and find out who has a generator
and who wants to share food prepping skills and who knows
how to use an iPad and so on. And they went after him and
called him a militia group with a low history of violence, even
though history of violence is 0. So when we talk about the FBI
lying about this stuff, I mean, I've seen it first hand that it
exists, it's out there. And I've been personally
offended on behalf of guys like Mike Glover, who I have a an
acquaintance with, And Mike Glover is a really nice guy, and
everything he puts out seems to be.
Interested in patriotism? Just keeping people safe in the
eventual, in the eventual, unfortunately, you know, event
that you're either dealing with a physical or a geopolitical
emergency. Yep.
Alright, alright. I don't want to take away from
your story. You're you're at the diner, Tell
me where you want to go with this.
You guys, you took the video, you got called out for that sort
of thing. How was the ride home for that?
Before we get to that, though, Because we did end up going over
to that boat launch and Dan, the CHS tried to say he's got
pictures of Adam. Also, he's got pictures at the
diner. There's a reason he doesn't have
pictures of me helping out. It's because I wasn't.
There's nothing to take a picture of.
Over at the boat launch. I stayed over by the vehicle and
I have an overhead view of this boat launch, which I can also
send you so you can see where the hell I was at.
I was like 6070 feet away from these two.
He's got pictures of Adam looking across, you know, trying
to find her place. Why are there pictures of me?
Oh, again, I'm not into this shit.
I stayed right the fuck away, then tried to say that I was
standing behind him. Reading a sign so you didn't
even box off. I'm standing behind you.
You didn't even try to take, you know, an angle, so you keep both
of us in your sight. You let me stand behind you.
And you kidding me? You know that I'm armed and I'm
this bad guy and whatnot. What a liar do.
I don't even let people stand behind me.
I know better. You know what?
A liar. So anyways, that's why he
doesn't have a picture of me, because I also wasn't a part of
that. So then the ride home, but
before we actually left, it was brought up to go look at the
police again. And I did bring up at one point
it was just something to add to make it seem like, hey, you
know, he he's kind of cool, but only because they had mentioned
it previously. So it was something I could say.
I was like, hey cool. We don't really because I'm
sitting there quiet like fuck, I got to say song, they're going
to get suspicious again. I'm trying to figure shit out.
So I didn't mention the police. Yeah.
Anyways, they were going to do it anyways because at the
beginning, before they left Grand Rapids, they brought it
up, they brought it up there. I just kind of reiterated the
thing because again, you can't just sit there, right?
Right. You're going to be suspicious.
Everybody knows this, everyone's looking for.
Spot the Fed? Yeah, Yeah.
So we went and sat there for a second and then went for the
ride home. And no shit, dude.
The whole ride home it was not talked about.
There was a couple of times where Adam asked me, you know,
are you in? And I said, you know, no, do you
want to be a driver or a medic? And instead of saying yes or a
hard no, I just avoid it. I was like, you know, I, I, I
don't even know what's happening.
I'm hearing bits and pieces and this is after everything which
should show you I don't have any or knowledge on this.
Crap. And this is all recorded of
course. Yes, yes it is.
I got the whole 5 hour ride man. So anyways, I'm telling him I'm
only getting bits and pieces and I did not commit.
I refused to commit. I was always noncommittal and
any answer I gave because I refused to say yes and I sure as
hell refused to say no. So what did the FBI do to get me
actually in trouble? They took that.
It was 4 1/2 hours from the beginning of the tape.
Right? They put it back right after
Adam made the comment about we're going to blow up your
boat, the joke. And they said that this part
happened one minute afterwards, which would say to you that I
had knowledge of what was going to happen before we went up.
So the judge signed off on my warrant under the impression
that I had four knowledge and therefore intent.
This is how I got wrapped up. So even though I do do things
that average people don't do, like I'm involved with civil
defence forces, the militias and this and that, I'm actually
working with the police and with pets.
This is not average person stuff.
I do find myself in situations that the average person doesn't,
you know? Again, I'm.
I'm rabbit trailing here. There's so much jumbled up in my
head that my mouth could only get out a little bit at a time.
Dude, I get so far ahead of myself, But yeah, I didn't know
anything. I had no intent, I had no
knowledge. But that's that's one of the
things they did to get me wrapped up.
They completely manipulated in life.
Agent Import did that. Him and Jason Chambers work
together on this. They were partners.
Chambers did over. I think he did 215 reports.
Agent Impala, 5 reports. And he couldn't get this one
right. Oh, there was a typo when we
were. When they tried to bring up in
court at the trial, my attorney jumped up and said, wait, before
you do that, you might want to look at that because Bill and I
went through the whole ride the weekend before.
So we knew exactly where everything was at.
And we hear this, we're like, oh, say something.
So he's like, you guys might want to stop and check your time
stamps. No shit, man, they said.
We've been sitting on this for three years.
We know what we're doing and they played it in front of the
jury. They played so they played like
a like a two minute clip that had 60 seconds here and 60
seconds 4 hours later and acted like they were concurrent.
Yes, they sure as hell did. OK, so my attorney jumped up and
of course objected. And we went to lunch.
The judge was like, well, lunch break during lunch.
The prosecution actually actually went over it.
They had to come back with their heads down, tails tucked between
their legs like, well, Mr Burnett, Mr Malato were right.
You know it did happen 4 1/2 hours afterwards there was a
typo in. Police said you got fucking
reports. My life's worth a typo.
Do what, you lying sack of shit? So he was quoting from what his
his FD 302 the the testimonial document describing what that
CHS report was. Is that what what the typo was
supposedly in? How you said a lot of things
that sorry. Usually when you write up what
happens, there's two ways that the FBI writes up reporting.
If it comes from a source, it can either be from a 10/23,
that's the source CHS report, that's when you debrief the CHS,
or you might do something that's a testimonial document and those
are usually called 3 O twos. And that's like the agent writes
up like on this day so and so went there, You know, CHS
reported that he did this, blah blah, blah.
He said this thing 5 seconds later he said this thing and
it's written up in typed form. That's what we're dealing with
that that sounds more like it. OK, so those are theoretically
they're testimonial documents. When you sign them, you are
swearing in testing that they are true.
Your supervisor signs them and reviews them.
They may or may not include the audio.
If there's audio, they're supposed to, it's supposed to go
in like a file. And so all this stuff came along
and he supposedly made the mistake of saying these two
statements were back to back, even though he would have had to
cut them out of five hours of tape.
Yes. You know, we call that in the
business. What that's called Giglio
material. That's when you lie under oath.
And then every, every time afterwards, you're supposed to
have to tell the prosecutors that are trying to, if you're
trying to bring a case that you have now been involved in an
adjudicated lie where you lied under.
Oath. It's usually supposed to end
your career, just for what it's worth.
So here's the thing. These things make me sick.
And the reason why they make me sick is because if this case is
so important to you to get it right.
And you don't care what's true. Wouldn't it be better for you to
just know what's true and you go, look, we investigated.
There's no threat. Hurray, America's safe.
We did our job. Or you say there is a threat and
we found out what it is. Hurray.
America's safe. The end result for the people is
what it's supposed to be about. This is why I don't work at the
FBI anymore. It turns out I actually, I
actually got really proud of, of doing a case where I found out
that the person was accused of doing something.
Child molestation, it turned out, and he didn't do it.
And we were able to pretty much conclusively identify that this
guy who was alleged to be a child sex predator was in fact
not doing that. He was actually doing that.
Wasn't bad at all. It looked horrible, but once you
had the full facts, you exonerate somebody.
That's called exculpatory evidence.
Finding exculpatory evidence is just as good as finding
incriminating evidence for me. I wasn't allowed to bring
anything in on my behalf, anything that could counter what
they said I wasn't allowed to bring in.
It got to the point where the defect or the prosecution when
they were bringing in their exhibits.
I get somebody like, oh, we're not going to put that in.
And then so my attorney, I wanted everything I said open
everything up and then we will explain it as we go.
So my attorney took everything that they didn't want out of
their own evidence and we brought in is the is the defence
exhibits. So they don't they don't have to
ruin their own case but bringing a case that's weak, that has a
lot of exculpatory information is stupid.
I don't understand why anyone want to do it and it and it
leads to the political motives that are behind you know that
what is destroyed your life at least for the last couple of
years. It's why I think the story so
important and and the fact that you were acquitted is the icing
on the cake. But.
What's that? Sorry, I got to tell you this
because we're talking about the Giglio stuff there.
So because he said that, that's lying under oath.
So Agent Impala, it's recorded talking to one of the CHS is
involved in this Robertson. His last name is Robison, he's
from Wisconsin. He is a multi felon from a
couple different states. His felonies in a couple
different states. He's been used by the FBI
multiple times to be CHS. He was a double agent in this
case. So while he was working for the
FBI he was also working for the bad guys and trying to and
telling them hey watch out for you know their speeds involved
and they're about to be doing raids and stuff.
While he ended up talking to FBI guy or CHS and that's how he and
are getting busted. He was busted with A50 calibre
rifle. He had during this time bought a
pistol off another CHS. They didn't supposedly didn't
know about each other right? He's a felon so his
admonishments he should not have had that while he was let go on
the pistol because he know he bought it.
He bought it for his wife so his intent was not for him to have
it. Get out of here dude.
So they let that one go. The reason they came down on him
is because he was starting to talk about killing the CHS Dan
with a 50K L What did he get busted with?
A 50 Cal? This was a double agent, Agent
Impala. It's recorded telling him don't
let the story or don't let the facts get in the way of a good
story. He was one of the leads on this
case and it's reported him saying it to this guy, so
there's that. It's so troubling because it
shows an obvious motive. It shows the impetus to go and
do this thing regardless of what?
Like that's not what your oath says you're supposed to do.
That's not what. That's not what law enforcement
is about. The law enforcement is you go
find out what the truth is. You bring in front of the jury.
The jury decides whether you win or you lose.
Like, do you know how much more money an agent gets if they're
their case goes to trial and they have an acquittal like in
your case? No, none.
They don't get any money, you know happens if you were found
guilty. Nothing.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
Like you don't get paid by the case, You don't get paid by the
acquittal. You don't get paid by the guilty
verdict. None of these things are
relevant. It's not how you get paid.
Your job is to go out and do an investigation.
That's fair. You're supposed to find out as
much of the information you can. You present it to the attorney.
The attorney decides whether to charge or not, and then the jury
decides whether you're innocent or guilty or you're not guilty.
That's it. They do innocent.
Obviously. They say not guilty or they say
that you're guilty. So they don't.
They don't find innocence, right?
They find they acquit you of the charges.
But it's paid, though it might not be Extra money, might not be
a bonus, but all everybody moved up.
Inflow went from Flint to Detroit.
Sunita Domani, she was one of the original prosecutors.
She ended up moving up, you know.
So she got a promotion out of this.
One of the original prosecutors, Gregory Townsend, was actually
kicked off in this case because when it first got brought up, it
was found that he had lied and got this guy locked up for 14
years. This guys now out.
He was locked up, wrongly accused and convicted of setting
his house on fire, murdering his fucking children.
Can you imagine me accused of murdering your children having?
I'd sit in prison. I got nothing left.
And once my kids are gone, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, man, like you can't ruin me more than that.
But the fact that innocent person, because this guy wanted
to lie, he used a corrupt snitch like, like FBI does, right?
So he had to get booted off the case.
He was allowed to actually step out of his position.
I'm pretty sure he's got his pension and everything else.
He was allowed to step down and this is what our system is like.
Sunita Domani got her promotion before this case finished.
It's so important to you. It's so personal to you that
you're not even going to see it through to the end and ride the
accolades out. But really, do everybody got
promoted? Dantuono, we all know where he
ended up and he's the one that was, you know, the head during
when this first opened up. Everybody got promoted, dude.
So no, they didn't get a check. They get a continual check with
continual bump and pay. And that's something.
It's not how it's supposed to work, but it is.
It is something that we saw. And I think that's so that's
what has been so offensive to many Americans.
You mentioned Steve D'antuono. So for folks that don't know, he
was a special agent in charge of the Detroit field office, which
was responsible for running this case.
I don't think he had a lot of hands on him.
But he would have been briefed on it because it would have been
a higher tiered threat. And then, yeah, he ended up at
the Washington field office as the assistant director in
charge, which would have been, yeah, that was my boss for a
while. And then, interestingly, he took
a job, the assistant director in charge, which is a rocket fuel
position for people who work in the FBI, and he retired from it.
Sort of suddenly, yeah. And now he's been talking about,
oh, well, maybe the pipe bombs weren't real in Washington, DC
on January 6th and this and that.
And suddenly I think he's caught in a bear trap as well.
I don't know what sort of lies he got involved in.
He also has come out and said that he was against raiding
Miralago. So that's kind of interesting.
He's changed a lot of his tunes now that he doesn't work there.
And he's gone out to a a big accounting job because he was an
accountant and he worked with one of my buddies, the original
producer of my podcast, and we don't think very kindly SD
Antonio. He's kind of a coward on every
level of a gutless fish. And now he works for KPMG, which
is one of the big accounting firms.
In the world. So everybody got a bonus,
everybody got bumped up, everybody got promoted.
Except. Except Chambers.
He didn't. He had some problems.
Yeah. You want to talk about him?
I don't really know that much about Chambers except for he
also is a liar. I'm sorry, man.
Anybody who's in the FBI right now, you're you're all bad guys
man. Right now, like I will back any
law enforcement, but it is a good guy that will stand up
against their fellow you know employees, their Co workers that
are bad people. You have the civilians behind
you. We will back you.
We want you. But you have to step up.
Who gives a fuck if if you, you know, so you're going to be
looked down on by your peers. I'm telling you right now,
they're not your peers. They are criminals.
They are beneath you. Rise above them.
Because if you're a good law enforcement person and you know
about them, you don't say anything.
You are just as guilty as they are.
But I'm telling you from first hand experience being around
militias the way that guys talk where when you know nobody else
is listening. We need law enforcement.
We respect law enforcement but we we cannot stand behind
cowards. So you grab the word coward.
All these mother fuckers are cowards.
If you're not then say something.
You know the one like you Where are you at now because you you
said something. Thank you for saying something
you and missed your friend. Thank you for doing this and
everybody else who has. We got your back and now
unfortunately you're not in the positions we need you with.
Something. Yeah, this may be more important
though, it turns out, because we can still tell the story and it
still hurts the feelings. You mentioned Steve Friend who
people will see on Fridays. On my show we do a regular
segment Friendly Friday, so he doesn't look very friendly.
Steve's not necessarily that friendly to most people.
He's a really serious dude and and he takes his oath really
seriously and he takes his country seriously.
So that's kind of the nature of what we all thought we were
getting. It turns out that when you have
an organisation full of people that are not that serious and
are interested in federal law enforcement cosplay and they're
happy to set people up into into ugly things.
Look, I worked domestic terrorism cases.
I've worked to international terrorism cases on the
surveillance. Of it.
So they were not my cases, but I got briefed on them and they are
almost always. I've told this to Julie Kelly
many times and I don't know if you've seen her coverage, but
she was obviously very big on covering down on the on the
Whitmer case and you know it's like.
They are morally equivalent to entrapment, whether or not they
meet the legal definition or not, because they are dragging
people into a place that everybody like a you and me and
a regular dude would look at it and go, that's in trapping
somebody. Why?
Why is that allowed? But there is a legal definition
that is not the same definition that you would walk around and
think of what entrapment is if you were to watch a police show,
let's say, right? Are you just kicked the nest
right there, dude? Yep.
It's it's hard to watch from the outside because I've seen these
and you. Go How are you feeling?
Good about doing this case. And the best thing about it for
most people that they don't realise almost all of the
domestic terrorism cases and almost all of the international
terrorism cases the FBI works, never result in charges.
They're just a money pot of funding for surveillance teams,
funding for equipment, funding for putting CHS together,
funding for giving money to the CHS, funding left and left and
right. We write it up for as long as
you can do it. Man, you know what's better than
a case that gets charged like yours?
Case that never gets charged and just has unlimited potential for
writing up paperwork for as long as possible.
That's got to stop. That's what they love.
That's what they do. It's, I mean, it's a money pit.
The Congress says, you know, that in in 2022, the FBI
forecasted to Congress that they were going to find 600 terrorist
plots and they were going to disrupt them.
They forecasted that you know how many they actually found?
None. 397 Flyers. So last year, you have to
believe that the FBI found 397 terrorist plots and disrupted
them. That means they found one every
single day of the year, twice on all the Sundays.
And that's how many terrorist plots were disrupted in America.
Could you believe that? No, I don't liars.
How many, how many disruptions, how many people were arrested in
the in the Whitmer situation that that you knew or didn't
know Half of the group so 14, because the other fourteen were
feds and CHS. So 14 disruptions.
That's what they claimed from that 14 terrorist plots
disrupted each. Each one of those arrests is a
disruption as long as they deal on different days.
Fuckers. And that's something.
I mean, doesn't that change just the way that you look at all of
it? Dude, I have.
I haven't been warped. I've actually been.
I had my eyes open to it. And things aren't surprising me
that much anymore. I used to idolise my government,
man. I love my country, but this
government's not what was intended.
And they are evil. So let's talk about the mindset
change. I think that's probably a good
place to land some of this, you know, this, this thought
process. You've given people a little
taste about what you're experiencing, some of the things
that are going on in your head. I'd like to talk about what the
lingering effects are of going through a trial where you're
accused of doing something that you've been acquitted of now
OHS. So I thought it would get easier
afterwards. I thought the like, the paranoia
and the anxiety would go away. But actually it's gotten it's
actually gotten worse. So at the beginning of this I
mentioned that I get anxiety at the beginning of every
interview. It's the same anxiety I get when
I see a cop car. It's the same anxiety I get when
I hear helicopter go over my house or I see a car that's not
you know, we don't see on our Rd because we live on a kind of
dirt Rd there. I am paranoid as hell.
I've been warned to actually my attorney God bless his soul here
he said he told me keep your fucking head down.
He said the feds can still come after you.
So here's a two stage system right.
I was found not guilty in the state if the feds wanted to pick
me up and the same exact charges they can because it's not double
double jeopardy. I want to point out this is one
of the things I've learned that they will use this system to
make sure that you can't have anybody speak on your behalf.
So they use the threat of being a non indicted Co conspirator
against other people who were willing to testify on her
behalf. Adam Fox himself was willing to
come and testify on my behalf until he was threatened.
And of course it's not a straight threat, but you know
what it means, the prosecution told his attorney.
We will get him a state attorney for coming back and you might
want to tell him to keep his mouth shut.
He's an out of date coconspirator.
So all of a sudden Adam says I can't do it.
He's already doing 16 years. Why would he do another 20?
And I couldn't blame him for that.
But yes, they manipulate. They lie.
Now let my attorney get ahold of a witness against me and say you
know we got some dirt on you. If you testify, we're going to
throw it up. That's witness tampering.
But Nope, not when the not when the state does it or the feds.
So I'm completely disillusioned and and just separated from my,
my, the current government just because I know who and what they
are now a little bit. I'm scared Dang near all the
time. The other day I did have a
helicopter go over my house at like 2:00 AM.
There's low enough to rattle the house, so I ran upstairs and I
stood out on the porch waiting for an AMRAP to pull up again
with another 40 agents to get me.
So I sit on the porch and I was waiting.
I don't even know how long I was out there till I realised I was
waiting for him to come get me. So this fucking stupid.
Then I got mad. I I was already afraid of them.
So I'm an innocent person, afraid of my government.
I'm pissed. You know how how it's affected
me. Now I'm.
I'm willing to fight them. You know, I'm.
I'm getting into politics. I already have representatives
willing to back me. I've got a lot of things going
forward. I've got some good ideas.
I've seen things that most people have not, and I know
things that need to be changed for for our benefit.
You know Charlie Leduff? I did a short interview with him
and he asked me, you know, well, do you know about this?
You know about that? And I'm like, shit, man, No, you
got me. I don't know.
I'm highly under qualified for what I want to do on that
aspect. But let me tell you something
right here. Gretchen Whitmer knows this
stuff. Dana Nessel knows this stuff.
Look at the job they're doing. I'm coming in with compassion
and heart for the people. And I'm telling you, George
Washington, then, you know, do the stuff he did.
Because we didn't have a system. He's better than you people, you
know. Was he?
Oh, yeah, it was. Think about it.
When he took on the when he started fighting the French
anyways, he. Was like 21 years old.
Get out of here. Do it, kids.
But that's what they had to do. Here we are with adults, get
informed. And this is the thing that
people need to realise our system set up for the individual
like you mad at, dude, I matter only because your Board of
Commissioners, there's one that's local, you can go, you
can get your issues heard, you can help vote on things and they
actually listen to you. I help push the two-way
resolution here in Wexford, we got it past nine to zero, you
know, and that was before the rate.
I'm all about doing things the legal way I was beforehand.
I was lied about and yeah, I probably.
Drive a trail to get Nanny. I'm sorry, man.
I think that's all from the heart.
I think that's all real. What?
About what about your employment now you're, you know, you've had
this basically hanging over your head for a couple of years.
You still have the federal thing.
They could kind of they would have to look at what happened
and and decide whether they want to play this game again.
Maybe a federal jury is different, but it's in the same
state, so it would be the same types of people.
What what is that done for your life today?
Like what are you doing? What are you?
Working. You know, what's your plan?
Umm. So.
Currently I'm not working. I have quite a few prospects and
I'm having issues being around like crowds of people or even a
number of people. Right now.
I am seeking help for this. It's just from other people say,
well waiting for intake. They said it's PTSD.
I don't throw that around lightly because like, that's a
serious thing. But everything I said, they're
like, dude, you're you, you need some help for that.
So I'm hoping to get, you know, obviously get a job.
I'm just worried about I I don't even know what I'm.
Worried about? I don't know what I'm worried
about. It doesn't make sense.
Like I I sound fucking crazy. I feel crazy, but I'm just
trying to work through, man. I don't know.
I'm at work and I'm trying. I'm trying to get a job and
you're sitting right now in your brother's gun shop, yeah.
Yes, how's. Your family handle all this?
Well, they were affected. Too.
You know what I mean? It wasn't just me that got
affected by this. When we got raided, actually,
we're having a family get together.
So there was a whole bunch of us.
The feds pointed guns at my kids.
I'm talking little little kids. They put my mom in handcuffs
like all the adults in handcuffs.
They ruin stuff. There's a few things they did
that was really cool. They turned our food off and
actually wrapped up, put in the fridge for us.
They walked our pit mix out to her kennel instead of shooting
her. You know, these are all worries
that we we heard about when you when you get rated, they kill
your dog. They didn't kill our dog and
they were so grateful for that because we love our animals.
But, you know, it was terrifying.
So they have PTSD. There's been some experiences in
our family previously. They had, you know, we've been
hurt. My family's been hurt.
This didn't help, man. Everybody's messed up.
We're all working through it. I guess that's the short answer,
dude. We're all we're all affected.
We're all hurt. That makes sense to me.
Where do you see this going, by the way?
I. Empathise with everything you
just said. I've I've stood outside I've you
know made sure I was unarmed and and been in a place where I
could be easily accessed because I have the same thoughts and and
that's a terrible feeling to think that your government may
come for you when especially when you it's something you've
supported, when you when you're on the right side of it you
think you doing the right thing and you know you're looking at
your neighbours and like these are my allies.
It's not my enemies. And then your government looks
at you like an enemy. It's very it's very hard.
It's exhausting, too. I know.
I know exactly how tiring that is.
I really do. I'm not the enemy to a good
government. Man, like, if if if you feel
like I'm an enemy, then you need to look at yourself because I'm.
I'm not doing anything for selfish reasons.
I have stock in the future. I have stock in something that
I'll never be a part of just because I have kids.
That's just got to get straightened out so that they
can have the same America that I grew up believing in.
You know, even the America that I grew up believing in didn't
exist then. It was, you know, behind the
scenes. It was getting taken away then.
But I at least got to live it, you know, live it for a little
bit, man. And I remember, like I said, my
childhood was awesome. I would like that for everybody.
But I don't see that with the way that things are going.
You know, you talked about a war on words, right?
Or Or, you know, they said entrapment.
But entrapment for a layman is different than entrapment.
So they they told the jury how to think.
So, you know, here's 1984, dude, right in our face.
Here's, here's a word, here's what I think it is, and then you
tell me Nope, this is what it actually means.
And I can't think about it any other way.
You've just rewritten my brain. And yes, now I see you as
guilty. Because I have to.
This was insane. There would the war on words.
Governor Whitmer came out on October 9th, two days after our
raid, and said they're not militias, they're domestic
extremists. Words matter.
First of all, no group was taken down as a domestic terrorist
group. They were only individuals.
So even The Wolverine Watchmen, who I was never part of, did not
know the group was not domestic terrorist.
There are some people in it. There are domestic terrorist.
So here is your governor of Michigan.
Listen up. Your governor telling you that
you're not a militia, you are a domestic terrorism, domestic
terrorist. She did not qualify any of that.
You just hired domestic terrorist.
Her words. What's the name Mr Olson there?
The prosecutor. When William Noll was on the
stand, he looked right at me and said patriot, isn't that a code
word in your in your movement? So if you consider yourself a
patriot, if you're a part of a militia, if you are in American
and consider yourself an American, you are a threat to
them. That should tell you something.
I'm not. This is not a call to action.
I'm telling you wake the fuck up.
It's already been time. They were like be aware these
people are coming after you little bit by little bit.
Slippery slope laws and rules, they are coming into effect.
We actually have a red flag law in Michigan now, which was one
of the first things I did with the militia group was go to
Lansing. This was a long time ago when we
talked to representatives and all of them really know what red
flag law is. Well, here we are.
May of this year they came with red flag laws.
Some Donald Trump even said I'm a big fan of take the guns first
then do process later, do that. Such an oxymoron.
You cannot have due process. If you've already skipped due
process, you cannot do that. And we have this in Michigan.
Yeah, I'm scared, dude. I don't blame you.
You saw the the trailer. We'll play it.
At the end of this, the trailer for Police State, the new film
that Dinesh Desouza has put out, that we consulted on, me and
Steve Friend. When you saw that, what did you
think? That was one of the things we
did before we got on here, started talking.
If I was hooked up to a heart. Machine, dude, you this.
My heart was out out of my chest.
I could feel. I could feel my neck throbbing.
My palms got sweaty. That was scary.
That was scary to watch because it's a movie, right?
But no, I saw that shit. Like I was there.
Oh my gosh. It just seemed real when I
watched it. I was like, what the fuck?
That's scary. Thank you for bringing this up.
You think they overdid? It do you think they over is
that, is that how it looks? Is that how it feels?
If anything, you guys may have underplayed it.
Well, you have to see how it actually looks when it when it
goes. I think it was just the trailer,
but I I like it already, ma'am, I'm going to be one of the first
people to go see it. If it comes to Cadillac, I'm
watching it. Yeah, take your take a take a
chill pill before you get in. There, Take a deep breath.
Make sure you focus yourself, because it's it's kind of
intense. It's intense.
And I was there. So there needs to be.
Yeah, what what's your advice to people?
Is that you said? People should already be awake
right now. What do you think this goes
like? This is America.
Come out of this. Oh yeah, we can still come out
here. You kidding me?
Americans are resilient and we, we do have a culture and our
American culture is fighting against tyranny.
So we may have lost culture for a long time now it's because we
haven't had to fight back, you know.
But we have a common a common enemy and we have the right way
to do. Our system is still in play.
The reason that everything is what the way it has is because
the loud people, the left that you know that they're the ones
that are loud. They're they're the ones coming
out and saying stuff. Conservatives, by definition,
we're quiet as hell. We sit back and just leave us
alone. They won't get in your way, you
know. Well, that doesn't affect us.
But we need to do is start stepping up, use the system
that's in place, your Board of Commissioners, and work out from
there. So it was super easy.
Call, write, email your representatives.
You don't have to do anything. Majority of the times we have
things like the Convention of States of grassroots, army.
We have all sorts of stuff that have templates.
All you need to do is put your name on there and write a short
thing that personalises it. Everything else already filled
out and they will send it to the right people for you.
There's no excuse anymore. You don't even have to make the
phone call, but I wish you would.
There's three things. I'll write an email.
It's so easy. And that's how you get your
voice heard If we actually come together like we're supposed to,
using the system how we're supposed to, they cannot deny us
now. Anytime you want to start
talking stupid shit, talk about we need to be violent, you're
going to get shot the fuck down. I'm not saying there's not a
place for training in that because you should be prepared.
It's stupid not be prepared. The government even has
contingency plans for like, alien invasions and zombie
hordes. No joke.
This is real shit. Look it up.
So why should we not have a contingency plan as civilians,
You know, for a terroristic government, whether our own or
foreign, you know, and we get involved.
You don't have to be a part of a militia man.
Just use your system while we still got it, because we do.
But for how much longer? Get involved.
Look around, man. I don't know.
That's what I got to get involved.
Stay involved. Words I noticed you didn't say
anything about. Get wild blow.
Anything up or take out anybody's boat.
So I do appreciate you coming on and kind of bearing your heart a
little bit. I know it was a I know it's
uncomfortable to talk about a lot of these things and there's
a there's a trust factor there. I appreciate you trusting me
with your story and we will make it available also your attorneys
could have it too if they want a copy of it just in case anybody
wants to to to claim we'll we'll show the the full thing that's
we're not into cutting things deceptively that's not the way
that we work over here but I do appreciate it there.
Thanks for having a chat with me.
I hope you have a great rest of your week and you know if you
want to come back on to talk again.
As things move forward, let me know.
Alright. Thanks for your patience man.
I appreciate it. Absolutely.
Thanks so much. Alright.
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