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Take a look behind the curtain 
with the real whistleblower in 

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American Patriot. 
Prepare to embrace the 

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uncomfortable truth, because 
this programme has no time for 

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comforting lies. 
Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Saraf. 
Hello my friends, and welcome to

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the Kyle Serafin Show. 
Today is Thursday, October the 

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26th and we are finally back to 
bringing you some of the 

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interviews. 
It's time to unleash some of 

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this arsenal of knowledge. 
Today's interview is going to be

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with Eric J Molitor. 
Where is that name? 

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From where have I heard that 
before? 

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You heard it because he is one 
of those who was recently 

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acquitted in the Gretchen 
Whitmer kidnapping case. 

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He was brought up on state 
charges after his work with the 

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FBI and all of the sort of chaos
that went on. 

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We're going to be telling his 
story today. 

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I want to give you a little bit 
of back story before we do. 

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Number one, he was incredibly 
nervous about having that 

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conversation, specifically 
because I used to work for the 

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FBI. 
Seems pretty reasonable. 

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So we talked for a little bit 
beforehand more than I normally 

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do with folks before we do an 
interview. 

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And I think you're going to be 
very impressed with how honest 

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and how how raw this story is. 
It is a an incredible sort of 

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problem to see and to be on the 
other end of the police state, 

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to witness the police state. 
And so we are bringing you this 

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interview in honour of the 
police state. 

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Movie, which many of you saw 
last night and some of you will 

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see tomorrow night as we do the 
live streaming premiere, 

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bringing it to your homes. 
I will be hosting it from Las 

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Vegas. 
There's going to be a Q&A. 

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I want to give you the details 
right up front. 

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It starts streaming at 5:00 PM. 
Pacific Time, that's going to be

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8:00 PM Eastern Time. 
There's going to be a live 

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rendition of a theme song that 
was just made specifically for 

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this movie. 
You guys will appreciate that. 

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There will be the movie and then
we're gonna be doing Q&A with 

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some of the people in the 
audience and some Collins that 

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is going to be available. 
And you're going to be able to 

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see Q&A with some distinguished 
guests, folks you're going to 

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hear from? 
And I will. 

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Be the Co host of that with 
Danielle Gill who is Dinesh 

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Dsouza's daughter. 
So look forward to that again. 

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That's tomorrow night. 
And then of course it should 

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play with it. 
You can buy your tickets at 

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policestatefilm.net. 
We're not gonna waste your time 

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with the trailer. 
You're gonna be talking to 

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somebody. 
Who was a real victim of it? 

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Before we do that, I wanna say 
thanks to our sponsors right up 

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front and say thanks to there 
they are. 

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Patriot coolers, you know 
Patriot coolers. 

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You can tag them on social 
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If you buy into their products 
they're at Patriot coolers or 

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find them Patriot coolers.com. 
Anything you buy you get 10% 

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off. 
If you use promo code Kyle, it's

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50 bucks. 
It's going to get you free 

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shipping. 
It's pretty easy to find a 

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couple things you like on there.
They've got outstanding stuff. 

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We're giving a a whole sampling 
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They've got the hard sided 
cooler which I just picked up 

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the 50 quart in tan. 
I'm a big fan of it. 

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I like the way it fits. 
I like the way that. 

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That that it sits, it looks 
nicer. 

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It's gonna look more masculine 
in my truck than sort of the 

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rounded edges and kind of the 
feminization that I see in my 

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old Yeti. 
So definitely check out the hard

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sided coolers. 
We're getting into camping 

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season, we're getting into 
tailgating season, whether you 

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want a hard or a soft cooler to 
be able to keep all of your 

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goods as you go and do these 
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Camping, RV, running around the 
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favourite game, whatever sports 
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You guys know what I think about
sports ball. 

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Maybe you don't. 
I'm not a huge fan of sports 

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ball, but I do love getting 
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family. 
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And if it's sports that brings 
us together, so be it. 

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Use promo code. 
Kyle. 

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Kyle, you'll get 10% off. 
And then let's also say. 

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What about merch? 
Let's do that right up front. 

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You the dash. 
Suspend tables.com. 

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Don't forget the dash. 
Otherwise you're gonna end up at

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a hockey website. 
thedashsustentables.com promo 

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code. 
Kyle gets you 10% there as well.

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This is Garrett Boyles website 
selling this. 

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The sustentables merch that you 
cannot get anywhere else. 

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At the PT shirt you got the last
line Sub stack shirt, which is 

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his his writing project. 
You've got the new last line 

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night OPS over. 
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Own the night version which I 
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The hashtag. 
Are you suspendable? 

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The Ranger panties, all that 
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Specifically, check out the 
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We're going to be handing these 
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week. 
We're gonna be wearing them at 

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the premiere on tomorrow night. 
And check this out. 

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There it is. 
Owen Shroyer, now doing time in 

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the federal penitentiary in 
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Put this on right after I saw 
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You can buy one of them for 15. 
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30. 
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And they ship free. 
So you know, you're getting a a 

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straight support for Garrett. 
Like I said, 30 bucks for free. 

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I used to tell you people just 
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buy one for you and then. 
Give two out to your family 

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members. 
You're gonna wanna keep all of 

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them. 
I think you might wanna buy six 

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of them. 
You might wanna get 2 bumbles 

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bundles rather, because I've got
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taking pins off my suits once I 
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Place where I want them. 
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of them now I think I've got a 
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They're they're really great. 
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and nobody else is sporting a 
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People go like, what's going on 
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It's going to be a conversation 
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And you can tell them to hold 
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Expendables. 
OK, without any further ado. 

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Today's Kyle Serafin Show 
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Eric Molitor Strap in, folks. 
This one's a little bit tough. 

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Alright, Eric, I want to thank 
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Think Eric's story is gonna be 
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think you're really gonna wanna 
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And some of it we're gonna have 
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legal situation. 
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So Eric, thanks so much for 
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Thanks again man. 
Alright buddy, look, this is 

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going to be kind of an awkward 
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you, I think, because you've got
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Tell people why you have some 
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telling your story. 
Well, I I'm afraid that the 

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government might possibly get a 
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up and try to come after me 
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I was warned that they might do 
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And it's hard for me to trust 
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not guilty verdict, I had a 
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they were actually a 
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against me personally. 
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So I'm I'm, I'm always nervous 
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I'm always nervous, at least at 
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I have no doubt about it. 
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confidential human source that 
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people that don't know what what
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in the headlines that that you 
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where we're going to start going
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going to end up with this. 
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My name is Eric James Molitor. 
I was accused of terrorist 

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support or support of a 
terrorist organisation and the 

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Governor Whitmer kidnap plot. 
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refers to as the the Governor 
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there were so many feds involved
and you just kind of gave us a 

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little taste that you found out 
that some of your friends were 

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in fact confidential human 
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employer, I'd like to call our 
sort of my vindictive ex 

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girlfriend. 
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beginning. 
Let's give people a picture who 

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you are. 
You're you're a regular guy. 

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Your your regular human being. 
Tell me where you grew up and 

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tell me kind of a little bit 
about your childhood, if you 

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would. 
I think there's probably some, 

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some, some things people will 
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in Cadillac, MI. 
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we do a lot of tourism around 
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my mom and my two siblings and 
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Amy is my older sister. 
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There is a lake right by our 
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And you know, we used to go 
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in the woods. 
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corner store and get soda. 
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candy. 
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kids. 
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baseball diamond in their front 
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We kept mowed down or we play 
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My grandpa set up a basketball 
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There's a typical American 
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I mean, it sounds better than a 
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Did you guys have animals on 
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growing stuff? 
We had horses and lots of dogs 

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I'm. 
I think a lot of people would be

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jealous of the horses. 
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have animals too? 
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I mean, were you guys on a 
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acres when my grandpa owned it. 
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off. 
When I was younger they started 

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selling the property off. 
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horses and one of our neighbours
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DNR. 
So she was really cool, you 

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know, we go over and pat her 
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What is? 
What is DNR Department of 

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Natural Resources? 
I got it. 

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OK. 
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law enforcement end of, I don't 
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something. 
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OK, fair enough. 
I haven't heard you mention your

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dad at all. 
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about what your your dad's story
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So I didn't know my dad. 
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old. 
He ended up coming back to 

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Michigan and wanted to try to 
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So is that really too much to 
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We did formal relationship. 
I still talked to him today. 

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I'm really grateful that he's 
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younger. 
You know, I'm, I'm kind of glad 

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he took off actually. 
He was an alcoholic and a drug 

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addict and he was violent. 
So I'm I'm actually personally 

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happy he wasn't around because I
didn't get to experience that 

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so. 
Yeah, that sounds tough. 

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Was that, how did that affect 
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man or a young teenager? 
As a young man, it it really 

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hurt. 
I remember, you know, looking 

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around and seeing other people 
with their dads and you know, 

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when dad had come to the schools
or whatever and you know, it 

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always stood out. 
Obviously. 

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It's like, well, I don't get one
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rough, you know, and watching my
mom being single parent her the 

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whole time, you know, she raised
three kids by herself and it 

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was, it was hard not having a 
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Yeah, I've got to imagine that 
was incredibly difficult. 

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My my wife tells me about when 
her parents got divorced and she

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was a teenager. 
She was 16 and it was one of the

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most devastating things that 
affected her for years 

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afterwards. 
And I could imagine it 13 is 

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even more formed, especially for
a young man. 

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How did how did that manifest? 
Did you have any, you know, 

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acting out or behaviours that 
were kind of representative that

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that lack of male guidance? 
Oh yes, and especially looking 

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back on it now, if there is a 
male role model in the house, I 

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definitely want to acted the way
that I did. 

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Men have such an integral part 
to their children. 

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They offer their little girls. 
They represent what you know, 

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what they should expect in a 
man, and for a little boy, it's 

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how to be a man. 
You know how to be socially 

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acceptable. 
We're we're part of a society, 

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man. 
Like, it's it's my job to 

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protect and teach, you know, so.
It makes a lot of sense. 

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So without that role model, 
without, they're like, like dads

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are like guardrails, right? 
Like you get on one side, you 

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get bashed by your dad. 
He's just strains. 

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Yeah, you get on the other side.
Maybe your your older brother 

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strains you out. 
You got men in your life that do

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that. 
You're missing a guardrail. 

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Did that manifest? 
And going through school, things

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like that, Ohm it did. 
I'm I'm uncomfortable talking 

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about some of those things just 
because of what I have going on 

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right now. 
I know you got into a little bit

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of trouble going through you. 
You ended up leaving high 

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school, right? 
I ended up leaving middle 

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school. 
Yes. 

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Eighth grade. 
Middle. 

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School. 
OK, interesting. 

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And then, so you started 
working, correct? 

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I started working. 
I was 15 years old. 

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And were you a good worker? 
I was not a good worker for the 

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first couple of years that I 
started working. 

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I was a terrible worker, 
terrible employee. 

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I didn't understand how jobs 
actually worked, that you need 

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to be responsible. 
They needed to rely on me. 

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I wasn't aware how how important
each individual person's role is

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in a company. 
Being 15, you know, I show up, I

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I'd be annoyed for a few hours 
and I make some money. 

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Well, I know way better now, 
especially after being a 

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supervisor and whatnot. 
You know, if I could go back, 

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Definitely kick my own butt. 
Yeah, I think that's something 

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that's probably most men can 
look back on. 

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I mean, if you weren't just a 
complete moron by the time you 

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were well, maybe 25, you start 
straightening things out. 

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I was still making weird 
decisions 2526. 

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So you you look back into your 
life and you think, you know how

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how could have done that better,
but you would be the person you 

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are today. 
People are looking. 

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If you're listening on our audio
channel, you're not seeing this.

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But Eric sitting here with a a 
nice pair of glasses on, he's 

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got a button up shirt and he's 
wearing a collar and looks like 

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a grown up. 
But you know, we all do dumb 

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things when we're kids, right? 
Yes. 

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What about, you know, kind of 
walk me through the path, What 

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were your jobs? 
What kind of jobs did you hold? 

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If you're a 15 year old kid and 
you're it's got to be tough 

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because you don't have a, you 
know, you don't have that 

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educational background people 
are looking for. 

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Do you have a high school 
diploma? 

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You know, do you have a college 
degree, et cetera? 

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So what kind of jobs could you 
get into? 

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So the only jobs that I was 
eligible for was food service. 

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So, you know, Burger King, 
McDonald's being a dishwasher, 

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stuff like that. 
OK. 

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And then as you did, you end up 
going back and finishing your 

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GED. 
I did end up going back and 

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getting my GD. 
This is when they started coming

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out with like online GD courses.
So and then I supplemented that 

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with adult education at night 
time as well. 

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So I could really get a leg out 
and then whatever, I could study

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outside of that stuff. 
So I'd actually go get like like

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math was my worst subject and I 
knew that I would fail the GD 

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just based on math alone. 
I found this stuff called Vedic 

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math, and it's it's just a whole
different way of looking at 

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stuff when it comes to math. 
And it made more sense to me, 

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like I couldn't learn the ways 
of the schools tried to do it. 

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It was difficult for me to do it
that way. 

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But this stuff a whole different
light. 

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Anyways, I pass the GED so I did
end up getting. 

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But. 
I'll tell you something kind of 

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funny. 
I got a buddy who's an FBI 

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agent. 
He's out Montana and he's the 

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only FBI agent that I know, 
which is always kind of a kind 

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of a white collar background 
job, right? 

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You, you, you've seen feds, 
you've been around them, 

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unfortunately now more than you 
want to be, but a lot of them 

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are, you know, what's what's a 
good high schools, what's a good

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colleges, etcetera, etcetera. 
And he's the only guy I know 

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that's got a GED. 
And he literally just left high 

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school because he was bored. 
You went to college and then he 

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wanted to join the Marine Corps.
They told him he needed a he 

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needed the college degree or an 
equivalency and he went out and 

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passed the GED test and then 
went to war because I was his. 

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Damn, those are the kind of 
feeds that I like, hanging out 

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with kind of interesting dudes 
who had real stories. 

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In their background, not the 
cookie cutter types who were 

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probably probably willing to say
yes when they probably shouldn't

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have said yes. 
So alright, so you're working on

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an odd jobs. 
You've got a GED, now you know 

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how, how are you moving forward 
in your life? 

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How did you kind of did you have
a transition when you went from.

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I'm kind of a punk kid doing 
punk things, and I'm now trying 

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to be a man that's doing the 
right thing. 

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There was a very long 
transition, so unfortunately it 

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took me a lot longer than it 
does. 

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I guess you say the average 
person. 

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I'm almost 40 now. 
I'd say around 2829 is really 

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when I started to really pull my
head out of my own butt. 

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And what was the 1st? 
Yeah, What was the step there? 

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One of the first things that 
really got me. 

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I was in a relationship with a 
girl and I was, I was drinking 

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and whatnot. 
Anyways, we got an argument and 

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she said that she was going to 
leave and I in that moment I 

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realised that, you know, she 
might not come back and the way 

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that I was was very harmful to 
being around other people and it

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was 100% of me. 
Like I said, I know she'd come 

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back. 
So I called rehab and I got 

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myself into rehab to to 
straighten out and I even told 

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her even if we don't get back 
together, like I realise that 

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this is detrimental to any being
around anybody and I need to 

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change myself regardless, even 
if you take me back. 

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So it was it was an eye opener 
right there, because I cared 

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about her a lot. 
You at that time. 

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Oh my gosh, 28. 
OK that's. 

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I think a lot of guys gotta get 
themselves together. 

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I feel like I started getting 
myself together at 27, so I 

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won't hold it against you. 
And and I had all the advantages

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of having to dad around to kind 
of put that guardrail up and put

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the smack down when it needed to
be done. 

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So at 28 you decided to check 
yourself into rehab. 

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How did that go? 
It was terrible. 

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It hurt. 
You know, I was, I was drinking 

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a lot. 
So no, I was actually an 

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alcoholic when I got in there. 
And they did the, you know, they

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got to do tests and whatnot, 
see, check everything on you. 

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They said I didn't have much 
longer to live, and that was a 

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good whack up alongside the 
head. 

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I went into detox first, and I 
was only able to stay for three 

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days because the next bed that 
opened in the in the hall was 

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available in three days. 
You typically get five to seven 

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days in detox because once you 
go in the hall, you don't get 

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any medications to help wean 
off. 

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So after three days I got put 
over there and I'll tell you 

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what the pain it was just it was
intense. 

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It was insane. 
I remember staying in bed for a 

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couple of days, just stomach, 
just rack, body rack. 

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But rehab was very interesting. 
Hearing a lot of the same 

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stories. 
You know, like we obviously 

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people come from different parts
of Michigan and whatnot, but 

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like to hear the kind of the 
causes of why people do the 

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things they do. 
There's a commonality amongst 

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users and it was really eye 
opening which gave me a 

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different perspective on how to 
how to think for myself. 

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Like, you know, why do I want 
that drink? 

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No, you don't need it. 
And to this day, like now, I 

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don't drink. 
Like at all. 

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I don't drink now. 
What were those common threads 

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that you were, you were hearing?
A lot of it that you would hear 

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is a lack of a father figure in 
the house that I don't know why,

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but predominantly a lack of a a 
male role model, a positive male

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role model, parents not caring 
about their kids so much like 

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like people saying that they, 
you know, stay out all the time.

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The parents won't even ask them 
where have you been? 

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You know, we're worried about 
you and just a lot of childhood 

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trauma things. 
There's a lot of molestation, 

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especially with the females in 
there. 

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You know, they hear a lot about 
that, unfortunately. 

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And also with males, it's this 
is something people don't talk 

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about is molestation with males,
you know, because we don't come 

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forward for the most part. 
But it's very it's out there, 

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man. 
Was that surprising? 

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It it was there was really 
surprising. 

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You still think about men being 
a victim of something like that?

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But I think they say that there 
that actually when you include 

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what goes on in prison, that 
there's actually more sexual 

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assaults against males in this 
country than there against 

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females, even though we only 
associate it in in sort of 

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common society with with 
females. 

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So it's there. 
Yeah. 

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And I see why people do that, 
but that that's kind of a rule 

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to the OR the exception to the 
rule, you know what I mean? 

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Like women get sexually 
assaulted outside of a prison. 

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So when you put nothing but men 
with high testosterone and 

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aggressive like you talk about 
the alphas of alphas, there's 

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going to be that's going to 
happen. 

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You know for I don't think that 
they should be completed 

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together. 
Personally, that's my opinion 

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on. 
Yeah, it's rough. 

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It's also interesting to think 
about the fact that a lot of 

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people think they're doing a 
nice thing for their kids by 

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giving them a lot of rope. 
But so many of us just need a 

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stronger hand, you know, more 
guidance. 

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At that young age, it's the 
opposite. 

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Just because they look human. 
Exactly. 

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It's the exact opposite. 
You know, I mean, God even says 

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right in the Bible, you know, 
they they they were here to 

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guide them, to teach them and if
they get out of line, to put 

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them back in line. 
That is my job handed down to me

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by God. 
You know, I have to do this. 

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And I take that seriously. 
I have, you know, I have two 

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kids of my own. 
I've. 

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Got about to ask that. 
So we're sitting here in 2023. 

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You have kids, you have. 
What's your family situation? 

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So I am unfortunately divorced 
now, but my ex wife and I had 

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two beautiful kids. 
My son is Aiden, he's 10 years 

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old. 
And my daughters, Hazel, she's 8

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years old and they're the best 
thing I've ever done. 

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And that's something. 
And are and you're present in 

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their life pretty frequently. 
As much as I can be. 

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She lives down in Grand Rapids. 
I get every other weekend with 

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them. 
That's our winter schedule. 

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Summer is every other week. 
Yeah, we swap weeks. 

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I used to have custody of them, 
actually, until the FBI decides 

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to lie about me. 
Love it. 

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Alright, well that's kind of 
walking us up into there. 

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And then the last thing in this 
all goes down in like what 2020?

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This is kind of when the wild 
stuff. 

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Can you give us kind of the 
precursors to how you got 

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involved with the group that 
that ended up having the FBI 

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come through your door. 
What's the, what sort of led you

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there? 
What sort of mindset did you 

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have? 
And then like you know what kind

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00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:37,000
of friends were you make. 
So this is where most of the 

453
00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:39,550
time is going to be needed 
describing this stuff, right? 

454
00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:43,390
So during 2019-2020, everybody 
saw the civil unrest that was 

455
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,850
happening in their country. 
We're watching places get burned

456
00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:49,970
down, police cars and police 
precincts being taken over. 

457
00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:52,470
I mean are you freaking kidding 
me that this stuff doesn't 

458
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,170
happen in America? 
People were dying on the streets

459
00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:57,080
were watching murders happen 
because they were trying to 

460
00:20:57,090 --> 00:21:01,110
defend their their businesses 
and home towns and whatnot. 

461
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,900
So you know we got, we got here 
watching the the police be told 

462
00:21:04,910 --> 00:21:07,010
to stand down. 
Well, they don't have enough 

463
00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:08,650
people to to actually do 
anything. 

464
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,260
So what we were doing, me and 
some groups were treating like a

465
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:18,140
civil Defence Force, right, so 
we could help take care of our 

466
00:21:18,150 --> 00:21:20,860
community and our people. 
I've actually once stood down in

467
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:24,440
Muskegon, which is about 80 
miles away from me with a friend

468
00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:27,200
to help secure their place and 
they did have antique go down 

469
00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:28,560
those. 
Anyway, I'll get to that. 

470
00:21:28,570 --> 00:21:30,740
Right. 
So we're seeing all. 

471
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:33,340
I'm sorry there's so much like 
rabbit trailing that happens. 

472
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:36,640
But because there's so much that
happened during this time, what 

473
00:21:36,650 --> 00:21:39,600
I wanted to do was start with 
civil Defence Force anyways. 

474
00:21:39,610 --> 00:21:42,820
And we actually got to start 
with me and my friend Kelsey, 

475
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:44,660
which service will Defence 
Force. 

476
00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:47,470
We actually had a police 
liaison, Duff Looter, who used 

477
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,940
to work for the Sheriff's 
Department. 

478
00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:51,420
And so we anytime we got 
information, we run it through 

479
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:53,080
him. 
He would run it to the actual 

480
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:55,740
police and come back to us. 
Yes, that's legit or no, that's 

481
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:58,200
not legitimate. 
So we knew how to keep setting 

482
00:21:58,210 --> 00:22:01,340
things up. 
We worked with bylaws, with the 

483
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:03,540
police, We were never there to 
supersede them. 

484
00:22:03,550 --> 00:22:05,940
We're only there to supplement 
to help out. 

485
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:08,660
Majority of the time it was only
observed and report. 

486
00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:11,670
So this is, this is what I was 
in. 

487
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,570
Well anyways we ended up getting
some pictures of Vance with 

488
00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:19,610
licence plates like real 
pictures gave it had it run. 

489
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,490
He come back and said yes, this 
is the same things that we're 

490
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,860
hearing about. 
We're hearing the Antifa and 

491
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:29,090
BLM, the the rioters that were 
attached to these crowds were 

492
00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:31,510
coming up and holding up in like
outlying areas. 

493
00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:34,800
So if you ever coming to 
Cadillac to do the riots that 

494
00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:37,790
actually destroy stuff, they 
stay in like Luther or Leroy and

495
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,020
hotels and motels out there and 
then come in during the during 

496
00:22:41,030 --> 00:22:43,470
the riots to do deeds and then 
book it out. 

497
00:22:45,790 --> 00:22:48,710
So yeah. 
How big is city is Cadillac? 

498
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,120
How many people have their 
population wise? 

499
00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:52,490
Oh crap, I couldn't tell you, 
man. 

500
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:54,410
I mean, ballpark, is it like 
100,000? 

501
00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:57,590
Is it a million? 
Oh no, it's more than 100,000 

502
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,410
now. 
OK, so it's a medium sized city 

503
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:03,110
then. 
Yeah, it's a medium sized city. 

504
00:23:03,530 --> 00:23:08,930
Yeah, During this time, remember
when Covert First kind of came 

505
00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,070
out, when the government was 
talking about COVID, they said 

506
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,890
you can't get together in large 
groups. 

507
00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:18,570
So I was with a Prepper group at
that time and we were having 

508
00:23:18,580 --> 00:23:21,160
online class because we wanted 
to kind of like we didn't want 

509
00:23:21,170 --> 00:23:23,300
to get in trouble for actually 
getting together. 

510
00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:25,990
So we had an online class. 
I was running the iPad class, 

511
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,130
individual first aid kit. 
I have a little bit of a medical

512
00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:32,280
background. 
So I was offering that and 

513
00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:35,130
that's why I saw this out of box
guy for the first time, right? 

514
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Prepper Group was Wexford in my 
county and surrounding counties.

515
00:23:39,090 --> 00:23:41,510
Like a buffer zone. 
Who can, who set it up? 

516
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,520
Was awesome. 
He did a good job. 

517
00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:46,050
Adams from Grand Rapids, so I 
don't know why he was in that 

518
00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:47,860
group. 
Wasn't my business. 

519
00:23:48,170 --> 00:23:50,670
Anyways, I'm running the class, 
you know, there were some 

520
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,400
questions. 
That's when I saw Adam for the 

521
00:23:53,410 --> 00:23:55,560
first time, you know? 
So again. 

522
00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:57,020
I'm doing platform. 
Are you guys? 

523
00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:58,920
What are you organising on? 
Is this on Reddit? 

524
00:23:58,930 --> 00:24:00,680
Is this on YouTube? 
Like where are you guys doing 

525
00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:03,130
these things? 
I believe it was just a zoom 

526
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:06,420
class instead of zoom. 
How do people find you though? 

527
00:24:06,430 --> 00:24:08,950
How do they know to even come 
and do an eye fat class with 

528
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,640
you, Let's say thank you. 
So Ken Varney actually started 

529
00:24:13,650 --> 00:24:18,390
this prepper group and so he 
kind of brought people in and 

530
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:19,990
so. 
Whenever he nails and saying, 

531
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,920
hey, we're going to do a zoom 
call, I'm just kind of curious 

532
00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:24,090
like what the and the reason why
And I'll tell you why. 

533
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:28,330
I'm curious, when people get 
lured into FBI schemes, there's 

534
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:30,470
always some hook that comes in 
there. 

535
00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:33,910
The FBI finds them in some ways.
And I'm curious if we can, if we

536
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,830
know how they sort of got 
involved with you or how they 

537
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,950
became aware of your group based
on where you guys were. 

538
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:43,950
Yep. 
So Ken, yeah, he was not 

539
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,030
involved by the way. 
They actually investigated him 

540
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,610
too. 
He's a former felon. 

541
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,700
He was not a CHS. 
I guess some paperwork 

542
00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:51,240
describing how they looked into 
him. 

543
00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:54,250
He wasn't even a a thought in 
their head, blah blah blah. 

544
00:24:55,790 --> 00:24:58,970
But anyway, so yeah, that's 
where I saw Adam for the first 

545
00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:01,180
time, right? 
Second time I saw him. 

546
00:25:01,190 --> 00:25:03,720
I was doing helping with 
security at Rosa Parks Circle in

547
00:25:03,730 --> 00:25:05,800
Grand Rapids and I saw him out 
in the crowd. 

548
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:07,570
Dudes got a pretty recognisable 
face. 

549
00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:09,510
That's how you know. 
So I see him. 

550
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,220
I'm like, hell, yeah. 
So I went over and I shook his 

551
00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:13,160
hand. 
That's how I, you know, actually

552
00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:15,940
met, met the guy. 
So anyways, back to what I was 

553
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:20,020
saying about the police liaison.
He gets this stuff and I ask 

554
00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:22,370
Adam, he'll be we're here in the
coming up and down South and the

555
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:24,040
Grand Rapids, the South. 
Let's see. 

556
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:26,390
I was like, you know, where we 
have Intel on this stuff? 

557
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,560
Actually showed him the 
pictures. 

558
00:25:27,570 --> 00:25:29,100
I was like, if you heard 
anything, have you seen 

559
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:30,500
anything? 
No, No. 

560
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:33,570
Yeah, these are the vans, the 
actual pictures. 

561
00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:37,840
And so I asked them, if you do, 
just let us know, you know, so 

562
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:39,510
this was our, this was our 
relationship. 

563
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,470
We don't know each other, man. 
I saw him. 

564
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,220
I went and shook his hand. 
We stayed in contact here, 

565
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:46,100
there, just over. 
Good guys stuff, because he was 

566
00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:48,770
also standing in Lake Lansing 
and Grand Rapids during these 

567
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:50,920
riots to try to help protect 
businesses as well. 

568
00:25:51,670 --> 00:25:53,870
Everything this guy talked about
was all positive. 

569
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,280
He want to do things the right 
way. 

570
00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:57,940
The dude got high, you know? 
I was like, yeah, we can be good

571
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:59,910
friends. 
Like, he seemed really cool. 

572
00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:07,170
So, OK, where am I at now? 
Starting the Civil Defence 

573
00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:08,850
Force. 
So yeah, I asked him about that.

574
00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:12,430
I'm sorry. 
It takes me a second to catch up

575
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,210
sometimes because you're good 
for me. 

576
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:17,790
This is this is 3 years just 
jumbled up in my head and I'm 

577
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,810
trying to get it out in the 
nearly for you. 

578
00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:21,570
You know what I mean? 
Yeah, and I'm going to help kind

579
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,410
of guide you through. 
What I'm curious is you use the 

580
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:25,610
word civil Defence Force. 
Tell me what that looks like in 

581
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:26,070
your head. 
What? 

582
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,630
What is a civil Defence Force? 
So the civil Defence Force is 

583
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:33,410
people. 
So it's the civilians actually 

584
00:26:33,420 --> 00:26:36,880
standing up and protecting their
towns and each other. 

585
00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:40,880
So defence is exactly what it 
means, only defensive. 

586
00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:43,710
We're not there to hurt anybody 
to start shit. 

587
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
We will stop it. 
But yeah, that's it. 

588
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:51,990
Just defensive and a force. 
So people coming out and mass to

589
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,050
show force, you know, because if
you look like a hard target, 

590
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:57,260
you're not going to get messed 
with near as much, you know 

591
00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:59,570
that. 
So the more people show up, 

592
00:26:59,580 --> 00:27:02,870
especially armed, especially if 
you got kit, you're not getting 

593
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,560
messed with. 
And we actually did. 

594
00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:08,250
Cadillac was protected, but 
people did try to stage 

595
00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:12,350
backpacks with bricks in them. 
They were found, so this was a 

596
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,860
real threat that was coming up 
here. 

597
00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:16,250
This is the typical situational 
awareness. 

598
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:17,750
They did this in Idaho very 
effectively too. 

599
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,880
People would come marching in 
with the BLM nonsense. 

600
00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:21,890
There were a bunch of guys that 
showed up and said hey, we're 

601
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,990
all retired military and you 
can't do this in our town. 

602
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,800
And then they turned around, 
went somewhere else and found 

603
00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:27,190
someone, somewhere to go 
destroy. 

604
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,110
So understood, OK, so it's a 
group of people, mutual aid, 

605
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,510
civil defence and and what what 
numbers were you guys? 

606
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,330
Like how many people were 
organising for this? 

607
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:41,330
So the first time they went out,
I actually wasn't part of it 

608
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:44,350
because I was doing private 
security for some you, some US 

609
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,530
Marshals had a business and I 
worked for them. 

610
00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:49,870
I was downstate on the Ohio 
border, so I was kind of 

611
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,830
helping, you know, just hearing 
things and talking while while 

612
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,790
that was going on. 
But there was like 200 people 

613
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,990
that showed up and what we did 
was we organised on Facebook so 

614
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,410
it was completely open. 
The public could see it. 

615
00:28:02,420 --> 00:28:04,390
We weren't trying to do anything
legal at all. 

616
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,350
Obviously this is all good guys 
stuff, so that's how that's how 

617
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,640
they all found out about it. 
Yeah, when I heard two, around 

618
00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:14,260
200 people showed up just for 
just for the group alone, not 

619
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:16,800
not even the other citizens. 
There's like 300 people all 

620
00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:19,060
together. 
That was really nice to hear 

621
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:22,060
that people took such an 
interest in the awareness of 

622
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:25,360
people to know that this is a 
dangerous situation, but nothing

623
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:27,180
happened, nobody got hurt. 
So it was. 

624
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:29,300
Perfect. 
Were there any conflicts on that

625
00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:32,560
first kind of outing there with 
the 203 hundred people be LMT 

626
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:36,290
for type engagement? 
One of my friends told me that 

627
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,050
some of the ringleaders, I don't
know how they know who 

628
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:41,390
ringleaders are. 
I wasn't aware, but he said that

629
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,250
there was a BOM leader and an 
Antifa leader that were there 

630
00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:48,380
and when he went up to confront 
them because he actually wanted 

631
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:51,070
to ask them questions that they 
actually booked it out of there 

632
00:28:51,540 --> 00:28:53,470
so that there was that 
confrontation. 

633
00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:56,070
Other than that, no everybody 
minded. 

634
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,520
People fuse. 
Keep walking me forward through 

635
00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:00,330
this thing cause I know we're 
going to get some real spicy 

636
00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:05,420
pretty soon. 
Yeah, So the Civil Defence 

637
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:09,000
Force, Adam, running the stuff 
through Adam. 

638
00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:12,160
So that was my that was my 
interactions with Adam, right. 

639
00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:13,850
We're not friends. 
We've never hung out. 

640
00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:17,320
After a little bit, he gets 
ahold of me and asked if I 

641
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:20,250
wanted one to cover a shift for 
him because he had this meeting 

642
00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:22,400
in Ohio, but I know what that 
meeting is now. 

643
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:25,020
I didn't that he said it was a 
national militia meeting. 

644
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:27,400
That's not uncommon with the 
groups that I ran with. 

645
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:30,390
To hear about this, I asked him,
yeah, what's the job? 

646
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,420
He said private security. 
Holy cow dude. 

647
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:35,110
I've been wanting to get in this
for a long time. 

648
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,300
Are you kidding me? 
Like, what a dream come true. 

649
00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:40,160
I said yeah. 
So I went and stood for him and 

650
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:43,240
Sam like me so much. 
He was a Sam Riley the US 

651
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:45,180
Marshall there. 
He liked that I would just show 

652
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:49,020
up at a whim and and do this for
him that he actually hired me 

653
00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:51,020
on. 
So I was really grateful to Adam

654
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:53,100
forgetting me this. 
Do the best money I've ever 

655
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:54,300
made. 
That was insane. 

656
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:56,760
Like minimum $400.00 a day. 
I was so happy. 

657
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,010
So there's that connection. 
Um, a little bit later and I I 

658
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:06,540
have these tax due. 
I have the tax everything. 

659
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,230
I have everything. 
You know it's I didn't know what

660
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,070
was going on. 
Adam gets ahold of me and asked 

661
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,430
if I want to go on a ride. 
OK And I asked him, yeah, what 

662
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,040
do you got in mind. 
He simply said a high profile 

663
00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:20,350
vacation house. 
There is nothing said about 

664
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,070
Governor Whitmer or anything 
else. 

665
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,870
So with everything else that I 
have going on doing good guys 

666
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,410
stuff, actually being in in 
league with the police and and 

667
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:32,490
everything else, I'm thinking 
OK, have profile vacation house 

668
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160
or is it somewhere that antique 
BLM are going to get smarter. 

669
00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:37,370
They going to hold up in a 
private residence now instead of

670
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:40,280
like outline hotels and motels 
because you aren't going to be 

671
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:42,440
seen in a prior residence. 
That's a genius. 

672
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:44,600
Or is this a place that they're 
looking at you destroyed? 

673
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:47,140
I have no idea. 
But everything that Adam and I 

674
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:50,340
was was talking about and 
everything that we were involved

675
00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:53,580
in, even independently, all this
good guys stuff, my only mindset

676
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:55,250
is protection, protection, 
protection. 

677
00:30:56,490 --> 00:30:58,610
So I said, yeah, I don't even 
know where we're going. 

678
00:30:58,620 --> 00:31:00,920
Like I said, I have a little bit
of a reporter with this guy. 

679
00:31:00,930 --> 00:31:03,060
He seems cool. 
I know red flags, man. 

680
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:09,590
Yes, let's go do whatever it is.
So if I go too fast, may I feel 

681
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,350
free to stop because I do get to
ramble. 

682
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,630
Anyways, Him and Dan. 
Dan was the CHS guy, never met 

683
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,110
this dude in my life, don't know
him at all. 

684
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:22,230
They they end up coming up to my
place from Lansing, right? 

685
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,370
Adam did send me a picture of 
the map and it said, you know, 

686
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:30,680
is there in Lansing something 
about I thought it said Belair 

687
00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:33,730
and then Mackinaw Island. 
I'm like, I don't know what all 

688
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:35,440
they got going on. 
I don't need to ask you. 

689
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:38,750
They'll fill me in. 
So anyways, yeah, they come up, 

690
00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:41,500
they come in the house. 
Dan asked if he could use the 

691
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:42,940
bathroom because they had to go 
pee. 

692
00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:46,300
Of course, you know, I'm not 
going to said yes. 

693
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:49,100
So this guy comes in and this is
how they scope your house out. 

694
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:50,640
This is how they get your 
layout. 

695
00:31:51,690 --> 00:31:54,490
So he came in. 
Adam and I end up getting high. 

696
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:57,200
They didn't talk about anything 
illegal. 

697
00:31:58,690 --> 00:32:01,730
Broken marijuana is that, yeah, 
me and Adam were. 

698
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:04,140
Dan didn't smoke. 
He said he couldn't because of 

699
00:32:04,150 --> 00:32:07,320
his job. 
Yeah, we know why. 

700
00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:10,820
But my mom was there. 
Well, and the FBI tried to say 

701
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:13,820
that she smoked with us too, and
she did not smoke with us, So 

702
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:15,640
that was a lie. 
Like trying to paint my mom in 

703
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:19,320
this negative light as well. 
Anyways, they didn't talk about 

704
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:20,540
anything illegal. 
At one point. 

705
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:23,030
They did talk about boosting a 
car now. 

706
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:25,980
OK, red flag, right? 
But the owner knows about it and

707
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:28,720
they're running it as like a FTX
sort of thing. 

708
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:31,440
Like the guy said, yeah, you can
try to boost my car if you can 

709
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:32,780
get it. 
You got it, you know? 

710
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:34,600
So we put out the. 
Taxes. 

711
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:39,560
FTX is a field training exercise
and these are where you will go 

712
00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:42,020
and either learn or hone your 
skills. 

713
00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:47,140
Whether it's medical shooting so
weapons manipulation or even 

714
00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:48,680
breaking it up and down how to 
clean it. 

715
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:52,600
We just get together as militias
and like minded people and train

716
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:55,620
each other on militia style 
things. 

717
00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:59,780
So there's a lot that goes into.
That yeah, I know it's military 

718
00:32:59,790 --> 00:33:02,090
terminology, it's just sometimes
acronyms go over people's heads,

719
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,580
so I just want to break it down.
But this is a training exercise,

720
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:06,640
people getting together and 
doing some form of guided 

721
00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:11,400
training in a group. 
And the idea of doing a. 

722
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:14,120
Of of boosting a car as part of 
a training. 

723
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:16,760
What was the the training value 
that was there If you're 

724
00:33:16,770 --> 00:33:19,420
boosting a car, I had no idea 
that that was the person I heard

725
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:21,100
of it. 
So I have no clue. 

726
00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:25,120
And and honestly there's so 
let's say there's like a shit 

727
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:28,110
hits the fan situation, a grid 
down situation, something like 

728
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,920
that you lost kind of go out the
window and if you need to do 

729
00:33:31,930 --> 00:33:34,920
something for your survivability
or the benefit of your group, 

730
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:38,120
you and yours, you know boosting
cars, the least of our worries 

731
00:33:38,130 --> 00:33:40,360
at this point. 
So whatever they have going on, 

732
00:33:40,450 --> 00:33:42,690
that's their business. 
It's outside of my purview at 

733
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:43,970
this point. 
They haven't talked to me about 

734
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:44,970
it. 
I don't care. 

735
00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:47,310
Plus, they had mentioned that 
the guy knew about it and was 

736
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,510
cool with it. 
I seriously have no worries 

737
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,330
whatsoever. 
I'll give people kind of a 

738
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:53,450
little bit of context on that 
too. 

739
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:56,000
I have friends who were wildland
firefighters and when they're 

740
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:57,960
working behind fire lines where 
everything is going to get 

741
00:33:57,970 --> 00:34:00,780
burned, they will do that. 
They will steal vehicles, they 

742
00:34:00,790 --> 00:34:03,000
will Hotwire, you know, tractors
and equipment. 

743
00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:04,960
They will use it for things. 
They'll take come into peoples 

744
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:06,920
houses which are about to get 
burned and they'll eat their 

745
00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:09,800
food because they're living off 
the land, they're foraging and 

746
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:12,020
everything's about to get burned
and covered by insurance. 

747
00:34:12,070 --> 00:34:14,940
So this is, this is a survival 
type mindset that's a little bit

748
00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:16,280
different than what most people 
deal with. 

749
00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:18,500
But if you're in the prepper 
world, it makes sense to me. 

750
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:20,449
It doesn't like that Doesn't I 
agree with you, that's not 

751
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:23,320
necessarily a flag off the top, 
no, no. 

752
00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:25,699
So thank you for expounding on 
that because yeah, there's 

753
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:28,960
there's some nuances that go on 
that that make it make sense. 

754
00:34:30,449 --> 00:34:32,409
So anyways we we finished 
smoking. 

755
00:34:32,420 --> 00:34:35,409
We start walking out the door. 
I previously bought this RF 

756
00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:37,920
detector that's a radio 
frequency detector. 

757
00:34:37,929 --> 00:34:40,080
So again, right. 
Why would somebody have this. 

758
00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:44,639
So being in private security, 
not knowing Jack crap about it, 

759
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:47,280
I want to move up. 
You know it's very competitive 

760
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:50,949
And so I'm watching YouTube 
videos like these experts what 

761
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,770
to do, what not to do. 
This one guy, he was talking 

762
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:56,440
about how he has an RF detector 
and when he brings his 

763
00:34:56,449 --> 00:34:58,290
principles out, the principles 
of the people that you're 

764
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:01,500
protecting, then he will want 
either the car they're about to 

765
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:05,010
get into, the the conference 
room, their hotel room. 

766
00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:08,050
Now obviously this is stuff that
you do outside of their view. 

767
00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:11,250
You don't let your person come 
up on and not secured area. 

768
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,970
So this when you do in front of 
them, it's not about actually 

769
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:17,370
being efficient, it's to make 
them feel comfortable. 

770
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:19,770
So I bought the cheapest piece 
of crap I could find. 

771
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:21,890
It was like 50-60 bucks for this
thing. 

772
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,380
I don't know how it really 
works, you know, it was just 

773
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:27,990
some to make other people feel 
comfortable and I want to move 

774
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,150
up and my bosses were talking to
me about moving up. 

775
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:34,110
So anyways, I saw on the way out
the door and I was like, oh 

776
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,390
cool, it's something to show 
off, man, being a dude and being

777
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,690
in the groups that you were and 
you know how guys are, but you 

778
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,200
get a gun, you get equipment, 
make you want to show the stuff 

779
00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:45,300
and it's. 
Based on your time, yeah. 

780
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,960
So I show him the RF device 
outside and it's on audio 

781
00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:50,620
because Dan, of course, is 
wired. 

782
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:57,440
And so we have everything, man. 
I I got the full 5 hour audio. 

783
00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:00,520
So I'm showing showing them how 
it works. 

784
00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:02,930
It's got to be like right on top
of whatever it is. 

785
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:06,140
So Dan had his phone in his hand
and yeah, it beeped, Oh wow, I 

786
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:07,800
found your phone in your hand 
like this. 

787
00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:11,740
So fucking spectacular. 
So then Adam, he's like, oh man,

788
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:13,840
bring that to the FTX in a 
couple of weeks. 

789
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:16,460
So that was my first time 
hearing about the FTX. 

790
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:18,960
And of course I'm going to go. 
It's in Luther right behind me. 

791
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,550
I don't have to go to Wisconsin 
or way downstate. 

792
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:24,080
Yep, I'm going to go. 
I would have went whether Adam 

793
00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:26,840
one or not. 
I would have taken my RF device 

794
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:29,020
whether I was asked to or not 
because yeah, I'm going to show 

795
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:31,260
that off. 
So anyways, I want to put it 

796
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:36,760
back in the house and we get in 
the truck as soon as I get in. 

797
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:39,790
Adam does make what I consider a
dark joke. 

798
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:43,420
He said OK, so we're going to go
up to the Temperatures house and

799
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:47,140
we're going to hurt scope out 
her house and with her because 

800
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,030
the Tyrant Bitches house. 
Did you know who he was talking 

801
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,730
about at the time? 
Just out of curiosity, assume 

802
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,780
like, I had an idea, but you 
know, no, you know, nothing 

803
00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:03,060
explicit. 
Anyways, he said they were going

804
00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:04,680
to blow up her boat and she gets
another one. 

805
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:06,800
We're going to blow that one up.
If she gets another one, we're 

806
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:08,820
going to blow that one up. 
And then he starts laughing 

807
00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:10,800
maniacally. 
Dude, that was a joke. 

808
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:12,880
I don't care how inappropriate 
and dark it was. 

809
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:17,020
And the reason behind this, like
being angry about a boat in them

810
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:20,170
is because her husband, during 
the COVID lockdowns and all 

811
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:23,900
that, trying to get his boat put
in there, the Marina. 

812
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:26,880
And the guy said no, you know, 
it's it's too early still. 

813
00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:30,380
And he said, does it make a 
difference if I'm the governor's

814
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:33,410
husband? 
Yeah, dude, so. 

815
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,970
I remember that. 
I remember that press coming out

816
00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:39,690
at the time and it being absurd 
because her husband was flexing 

817
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,360
on on just individual people 
while she was locking down the 

818
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:44,030
state. 
So you know, all this stuff 

819
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,910
rings true to me. 
I was following Michigan because

820
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,490
Michigan had some pretty rough 
lockdowns. 

821
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:50,480
Oh man. 
Yeah, we sure did. 

822
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:52,970
So, yeah, so people were upset 
about that. 

823
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,340
And I've heard other dark jokes 
specifically about about about 

824
00:37:56,350 --> 00:38:00,100
their boat, you know, So this it
was worrisome to hear it. 

825
00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:03,560
But also with what little bit I 
knew of Adam, I wasn't it wasn't

826
00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:05,420
like, oh, that's Red flag. 
Get the fuck out of the truck. 

827
00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:07,920
You know these are a bunch. 
Of guys sitting in a in a in a 

828
00:38:07,930 --> 00:38:10,160
vehicle together. 
Like on a road trip, right? 

829
00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:14,450
And Dan, right. 
So Dan's driving Adams and the 

830
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:17,610
passenger and I'm right behind 
Adam in the in the back. 

831
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:22,460
So anyways, he says that I'm 
like whatever, you know, in my 

832
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:25,340
head, you know those old rubber 
stamps that are like rejected or

833
00:38:25,350 --> 00:38:28,740
revoked. 
So and I when he said that in my

834
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:31,440
head, I just saw it coming out 
of the black and caching. 

835
00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:33,420
And so I laughed. 
I was like, oh man, you I saw 

836
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:35,680
this in my head. 
So that was the contribution. 

837
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:37,300
The FBI called that a 
discussion. 

838
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:40,250
We discussed following up for 
Vote No and you said we just 

839
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:42,520
did. 
Yeah, yeah. 

840
00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:44,210
It's the equivalent. 
What people do on Twitter, well 

841
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:46,720
though somebody will say 
something like inappropriate and

842
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:51,380
somebody else will go disavow. 
You know, the the it's just 

843
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:53,020
being silly. 
It's it's there's a there's a 

844
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:55,450
common there's an Internet meme 
about this whole sort of thing. 

845
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:57,760
I mean, saying disavow when 
somebody says something 

846
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:59,170
inappropriate for inappropriate 
humour. 

847
00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:02,630
It happens all the time anyway. 
OK, this is yet another example 

848
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,420
of feds not having a sense of 
humour, it turns out. 

849
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:08,090
But alright, carry on. 
Only when they say it is it ever

850
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,030
funny. 
And I got a couple of points on 

851
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,210
that. 
Like some people in FBI saying 

852
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:15,130
we got a saying in our office, 
don't let the facts in the way 

853
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:17,890
of a good story or something 
like that. 

854
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,620
Are you freaking kidding me? 
Agent Influence. 

855
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:20,620
Hendrick. 
Envelope. 

856
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:22,930
Impala. 
They were terrible human being. 

857
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,860
Anyways, where was I Do. 
I'm sorry, I just got mad. 

858
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,090
So. 
You're sitting in the back seat.

859
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:28,170
You're riding, you're riding, 
bitch. 

860
00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:31,170
You got two guys that are both 
now and Adam was working with 

861
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:32,240
the with the feds as well, 
right? 

862
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:35,510
That's the story. 
No, Adam is not one of the. 

863
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:39,730
OK, got it. 
All the facts of this case are 

864
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:42,190
gonna be a little so. 
Alright, so Dan is a either an 

865
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,690
agent or a CHS. 
Which what is he the HS? 

866
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,210
He's the original CHS, actually.
All right. 

867
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:50,750
So he's working for the FBI and 
that's why he's not smoking. 

868
00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:54,890
And and Dan is that's, I'm 
sorry, he's Dan is driving and 

869
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:58,430
Adam is sitting in the passenger
seat telling silly jokes and 

870
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,070
making fun of Gretchen Whitmer 
in her boat. 

871
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,780
Yep, made one joke. 
Drive forward. 

872
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:06,620
Keep going. 
So I'd also like to point out at

873
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:10,830
this point that my crime 
supposedly was that I took a 

874
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,030
video up there that was my 
material support. 

875
00:40:14,350 --> 00:40:18,110
So Dan coming in and casing my 
house previous to me actually 

876
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,490
doing anything, I'd like to 
point out how weird that is. 

877
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:24,350
I was already being looked at 
and set up before I even did 

878
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,920
what I was accused of, You know 
what I mean? 

879
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,030
Like, that's really weird to 
think. 

880
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,810
About we'll dissect this, I'll 
I'll dissect it with you, and 

881
00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:32,770
we'll actually show it out to 
people how this kind of stuff 

882
00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:34,150
works later. 
I want to hear the story. 

883
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,860
Rear end of it. 
And and then we'll talk about 

884
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:37,500
how the FBI does this stuff for 
sure. 

885
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:42,560
OK, so then after that dark ass 
joke, we drive for an hour, 

886
00:40:42,610 --> 00:40:46,030
hour, and 20 minutes, however 
long it took up to what I 

887
00:40:46,690 --> 00:40:48,740
assumed was Bel Air, I found 
out. 

888
00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:51,520
Seriously, not too long ago. 
It was Elk Rapids we went to. 

889
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:55,400
So I wasn't even in the right 
area in my head the whole time 

890
00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:57,250
up there. 
And I'm telling you, I got 5 

891
00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,180
hour fricking audio. 
I'll send it to you dude, it's 

892
00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:02,410
insane. 
They never talked about this the

893
00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:05,130
whole way up, so I didn't have 
any knowledge beforehand. 

894
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:08,390
I didn't have any knowledge on 
the way, not once we got up into

895
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,960
Elk Rapids. 
So that's when they start 

896
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:12,120
talking. 
Adams started talking about her 

897
00:41:12,130 --> 00:41:14,290
address. 
OK, we're, you know, we're 

898
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,100
looking for House. 
Still seem weird. 

899
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:19,720
Governor Whitmer boom. 
That's what we're even right 

900
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:21,940
now. 
Hearing that, I get busy and my 

901
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:24,420
gut just drops. 
That's when I realised what was 

902
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:27,040
actually happening. 
And I didn't know the severity 

903
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:29,340
of stuff. 
You know, like, I just know that

904
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,580
they said we're, you know, 
scoping out of the House. 

905
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:33,900
Governor Whitmer, boom. 
That's scary. 

906
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:36,760
Then they start talking about 
more stuff. 

907
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:40,100
Now I'm sitting in the back. 
Dan was a professional door 

908
00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:42,640
kicker for the military. 
He was a forward observer. 

909
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:46,620
If you don't know where that is,
people, that is, somebody goes 

910
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:48,810
behind enemy lines and lights 
them up with the laser so 

911
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:51,470
artillery can take them out. 
This guy would. 

912
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,350
He did dangerous work. 
He's a combat veteran. 

913
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,760
He showed video. 
He was legitimate, you know? 

914
00:41:57,810 --> 00:42:00,380
So yeah, I'm worried. 
These guys just picking from my 

915
00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:02,640
house, they know where, you 
know, I live, where my mom is, 

916
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:06,340
where my kids are at. 
So you know, they're talking 

917
00:42:06,350 --> 00:42:08,590
about this stuff, this guys 
professional shit kicker with a 

918
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,480
gun at him is a steroid person, 
you know, and he's got a gun as 

919
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:15,890
far as I knew at that point. 
I'm fucking scared. 

920
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,590
Yes, I have my gun on me and 
this guy brought up too. 

921
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:20,070
Why? 
Well, you know, why were you so 

922
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,790
worried you had your gun, bro? 
Because I got a gun. 

923
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,370
I want to shoot somebody. 
No, man, that's the last thing I

924
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:26,990
want to do. 
I have to sit back and behind 

925
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,050
these guys and think about that,
Like how does this go down if I 

926
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:33,050
if I have to do something and 
that hurt me having to think 

927
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:35,870
about hurt somebody else, but if
I had to, I have to. 

928
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:38,020
One of the things that I thought
about was, you know, do I tell 

929
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:40,310
him I got to go to the bathroom,
going to fucking gas station, 

930
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,210
called cops and then what? 
Cops show up. 

931
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:44,200
Now there's a gunfight. 
Our innocent people are going to

932
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:45,890
get shot or police officer is 
going to die. 

933
00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:50,110
So in the moment, with no 
training, no backup, no funding,

934
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,700
no Expo plan like all the FBI 
had in their CHS is I had 

935
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:55,560
fucking nothing. 
You know? 

936
00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:57,640
I had to figure out in the 
moment how to survive. 

937
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:59,640
I can't tell. 
No, I'm not cool with this. 

938
00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:01,780
Please stop and drop me off. 
How far are they willing to go 

939
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,110
to keep me quiet? 
They just talked about kidnap 

940
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:06,040
and whatever else right in front
of me. 

941
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:08,940
No, man, I'm not going to let on
that. 

942
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:09,790
I'm not. 
OK. 

943
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,460
So when they finally found the 
house. 

944
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,650
Before, before we go any further
in this this conversation, 

945
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:17,830
because this is actually 
fascinating stuff and I and I 

946
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,140
absolutely agree with all the 
things that you're you're 

947
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:21,880
working through. 
This is. 

948
00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:25,530
The the inner workings that they
would, they would normally have 

949
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:27,990
to say this is your intent and 
your intent is, it sounds like, 

950
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,940
very different. 
You were acquitted of all this 

951
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:30,970
stuff. 
That's really wild. 

952
00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:34,200
Yes, so because I did not have 
the time. 

953
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,730
Because this is, this is already
come out and this is already 

954
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:38,720
been put in front of a jury. 
So we're telling your story 

955
00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:40,060
after the fact. 
I just want to put that out 

956
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:41,430
there for people you're going 
through. 

957
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,060
This has already been ruled on. 
This is not like a fantasy. 

958
00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:45,820
This is not pending. 
This is done. 

959
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:47,680
This has already been looked at 
by a jury. 

960
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:50,280
So keep telling the story, but 
as people do that, I want them 

961
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:51,150
to have that in their head as 
well. 

962
00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:52,800
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

963
00:43:52,810 --> 00:43:54,920
Yeah. 
Not guilty by all 12. 

964
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:59,520
So that says a lot. 
Anyways, yeah, so I have to sit 

965
00:43:59,530 --> 00:44:02,110
there and think about so much. 
So I can't even tell you 

966
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,170
everything that I thought about.
Time stopped, you know? 

967
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:07,490
Like people were like, well, how
long between this and that, You 

968
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:09,750
know, did that happen? 
Dude, time didn't matter. 

969
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,170
I didn't give a fuck. 
About 10 minutes, 5 minutes. 

970
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,150
My life is on the line. 
It was an eternity. 

971
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,170
Let me tell you how long it was.
A fucking eternity, OK? 

972
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:20,710
These guys, They finally found 
her. 

973
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,140
Found the address, so they drove
all the way from Lansing with no

974
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:28,610
address. 
OK, they were not planned. 

975
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:30,930
They didn't have it planned out.
This was not legitimate. 

976
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:35,000
They were up there, just fucking
off, but found the address. 

977
00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:37,080
How do you find out? 
You have any idea? 

978
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:43,150
There is another gentleman, Sean
Fix, who got real close. 

979
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:45,370
Real close. 
It was like he was like a number

980
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:49,630
off or whatever. 
But Adam eventually ended up 

981
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,340
hunting it down completely, I 
believe on Dan's phone because I

982
00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:54,230
hadn't didn't want to use his 
phone. 

983
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,360
He was paranoid about it so he 
used Dance phone, which is weird

984
00:44:57,370 --> 00:45:00,650
because we don't have a phone 
dump at Dance Phone anyways. 

985
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,750
The CHS didn't get a phone dump.
Weird. 

986
00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:06,060
OK, no. 
And though his phone was used 

987
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:08,570
for these commissions, you know 
what I'm saying? 

988
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,000
And probably paid for with FBI 
dollars based on the way we do 

989
00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:11,850
it. 
But that's cool. 

990
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:15,490
Oh yeah, he got a truck and a 
house and all sorts of shit out 

991
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:16,420
of this. 
A laptop? 

992
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:18,370
A watch. 
A nice watch. 

993
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,250
Now shit, where was I, man? 
They're driving around. 

994
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:26,250
You guys find the address you're
looking it up on. 

995
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:27,290
Dance phone. 
Keep going. 

996
00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:29,970
Yeah. 
So they actually found the 

997
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:32,500
address. 
We went down the road a couple 

998
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:35,660
of times, and when Adam first 
saw him and he was super 

999
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:39,680
excited, you know, so that's it.
And I forget exactly what he 

1000
00:45:39,690 --> 00:45:43,200
said, but he was so excited. 
Again, very childlike in nature.

1001
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:45,400
This is not something that lends
credence to somebody who's 

1002
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:47,500
serious about doing this sort of
operation. 

1003
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:49,540
Like, this is heavy. 
This isn't something that's a 

1004
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:51,500
joke, You know? 
Sit there, fucking laugh about 

1005
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:54,480
it and you know, get all 
excitable like a child 

1006
00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:59,880
throughout this ride, my threat 
level, like I did feel it come 

1007
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:02,090
down right. 
It's not like life and death, 

1008
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,260
life and death the whole way 
through the right life and 

1009
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:06,080
death. 
And it did start to wane just 

1010
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:07,840
based off stuff I was seeing and
hearing. 

1011
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:10,900
So Adam acting that way. 
One of two times I saw Dan roll 

1012
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:14,120
his eyes because he kind of like
cock eyed over to Adam when he 

1013
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:16,890
was acting crazy and rolled his 
eyes, which I could see from 

1014
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:20,380
where I was at. 
It's like OK, so he the 

1015
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:24,180
dichotomy there, he's not 
completely in line with Adam and

1016
00:46:24,190 --> 00:46:26,540
Adam's acting this way. 
This guy's quiet, barely saying 

1017
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:28,850
anything. 
I didn't seem like he was on 

1018
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:30,750
board. 
It seemed more like he was kind 

1019
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,100
of playing along with Adam and, 
you know, making Adam, you know,

1020
00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:35,620
OK, let's play your game sort of
thing. 

1021
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:37,130
Which he did. 
Now we know why. 

1022
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,320
So you know, this is just 
everything I have in my head at 

1023
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:45,110
this time I have to go through 
is untrained person, man. 

1024
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,500
Apparently I did everything 
right though, because I hear the

1025
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:49,930
FBI and the CHS talk about why 
they did what they did and I'm 

1026
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:51,970
like, fuck, I figured that out 
Moment, man. 

1027
00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:57,210
But anyways, on one of the rides
they and was like, hey 

1028
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:59,190
Barricade, I need you to do me a
favour. 

1029
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,570
Like what? 
You know, I said I need to take 

1030
00:47:01,580 --> 00:47:04,530
a slomo video. 
Fuck man, you kidding me? 

1031
00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:06,470
I'm sitting there, quiet and 
again. 

1032
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:09,610
They call you Barricade, is that
correct? 

1033
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,410
Yeah, that's your nickname. 
OK or. 

1034
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:16,470
Or call sign. 
That's alright. 

1035
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,970
Call signs are always kind of 
funny. 

1036
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,200
And then he's who's asking you 
specifically to take the video, 

1037
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,590
Adam Foxton. 
OK, so Adam is, and he's not 

1038
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,520
cooperating with this. 
He's just excited because he's 

1039
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:31,050
like a kid in a candy store. 
He's getting to do Amish. 

1040
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:33,410
He's getting to do a mission, 
dude. 

1041
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:35,170
That's what he was so excited 
about the whole time. 

1042
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:37,590
And when you read the text 
between him and Dan or him and 

1043
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,610
other people, like he's so 
excited. 

1044
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:41,380
Oh you know, we do so much 
recount. 

1045
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:44,600
We've done tonnes of Recon in 
the past, but like he's so he's 

1046
00:47:44,610 --> 00:47:47,480
just bloviating like you would 
never heard before. 

1047
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:50,370
This guy's not serious, dude. 
We have an innocent idiot 

1048
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:52,470
sitting and praying. 
I hate calling an idiot because 

1049
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,610
I don't really think Anyways, he
got set up and he should not be 

1050
00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:59,750
in prison. 
None of these guys should of. 

1051
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,380
But anyway, so yeah, he asked me
to take the slomo video. 

1052
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:06,050
He didn't ask me to shoot 
somebody. 

1053
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,090
There was no talk about blowing 
things up. 

1054
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:09,850
Well, he didn't ask me blow 
anything up. 

1055
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,420
Those two would have been hard 
notes. 

1056
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:14,090
I would have had to have taken a
stand, even at the risk of my 

1057
00:48:14,130 --> 00:48:15,030
life. 
I cannot. 

1058
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,640
I cannot do those things. 
I just, I don't have it in me. 

1059
00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:22,040
So you asked me to take a video,
man. 

1060
00:48:22,330 --> 00:48:23,880
Fuck yes. 
I took a video. 

1061
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:26,070
I got home to my kids. 
People like, oh, why would you 

1062
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,780
do that? 
Why didn't you just say no? 

1063
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:29,860
Because I wanted to get home 
with my kids. 

1064
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:32,330
So he said video. 
Fucking a right, dude. 

1065
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:33,940
Here you go. 
I took a video. 

1066
00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:37,160
I didn't pan it on anything. 
I didn't scope one thing out. 

1067
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:39,220
As we drove by, he said put off 
the window. 

1068
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:41,140
I put up to the window and we 
drove by. 

1069
00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:44,780
You know, unlike the FBI, who 
when they took pictures of the 

1070
00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:48,660
Mackinac Place for them, they 
got avenues of approach from all

1071
00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:51,980
different angles, passed through
trees, the walls, they got 

1072
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:56,380
padlock, the fucking gate, you 
know, all different ways to get 

1073
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:59,370
in. 
It was crazy, the depth that 

1074
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:02,360
they went into, you know? 
And previously the video 

1075
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:04,410
animated. 
Film is what we do. 

1076
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:06,120
If you're going to go and 
approach a target, you want to 

1077
00:49:06,130 --> 00:49:08,360
know your routes in your routes 
out, what your contingencies 

1078
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:09,780
are. 
I used to do this for a living. 

1079
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:11,310
I was, you know, I was a 
surveillance guy. 

1080
00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:14,590
So I spent three years in a car 
looking. 

1081
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,370
What are the pitfalls? 
What are the where's, where's 

1082
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:18,640
the automatic lights? 
Where the where the surveillance

1083
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:19,950
cameras. 
What avenues are you not going 

1084
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,830
to be seen in? 
Where can you park a car and not

1085
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,930
be, you know, bothered? 
Where can you set a look out? 

1086
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:25,680
All the things that. 
We do this for a living. 

1087
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:28,330
So that's not crazy to me, to 
think that somebody from the FBI

1088
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:30,600
would know how to do that. 
Like SWAT does it every every 

1089
00:49:30,610 --> 00:49:32,750
time they do a hit, every time 
they do it, they send somebody 

1090
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,890
out, they do a Recon on the 
thing. 

1091
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:35,770
It doesn't take forever. 
You don't get excited about it. 

1092
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:37,650
It's just work. 
Just go take pictures. 

1093
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:39,690
It's not a big deal. 
So then when you're taking a 

1094
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:42,110
picture for suppose a terrorist,
why wouldn't you just take a 

1095
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,250
couple of pictures and say, hey,
here's what we got for you. 

1096
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,910
Why would you go through all the
ins and outs and make it as 

1097
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,710
professional as possible? 
Because the guy that supposedly 

1098
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,270
took the picture, his legend was
that he was a janitor, right? 

1099
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:58,390
How would he know what to do? 
All that stuff he did, not 

1100
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,310
actually. 
They they happy I did it, handed

1101
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,170
it to him and then he gave it 
over to these guys. 

1102
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:10,330
So that's how that played out. 
That's how much today looking 

1103
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:13,870
back you go, OK, I'm being set 
up by the feds when this is 

1104
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,310
happening and it looks really 
obvious at that time. 

1105
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,970
I don't think anybody had that 
instinct. 

1106
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,430
I think three years after the 
fact, you guys were kind of the 

1107
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,030
Canary in the coal mine in many 
ways. 

1108
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,330
Most people now if somebody says
something like even even like a 

1109
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:30,790
January 6, people are calling 
fed, fed, fed at at Ray apps, 

1110
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,770
right. 
I mean you. 

1111
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:35,280
Can't get away with this stuff 
today in the way that they did 

1112
00:50:35,290 --> 00:50:36,890
it, but it was so blatant in 
some ways. 

1113
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,550
People would call it Fed 
Jacketing. 

1114
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,490
They would call it, you know, 
they would call you a narc. 

1115
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,540
They would call you some kind of
Everyone thinks it's a setup 

1116
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:44,190
now. 
You can't. 

1117
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,240
I don't think you could do any 
of this stuff today just because

1118
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:47,340
the way that your story got so 
big. 

1119
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:51,200
No, you you couldn't. 
It never would have worked 

1120
00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:52,040
anyways. 
That's the thing. 

1121
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:54,860
This stuff was never serious. 
You know, if you are serious, 

1122
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:57,600
why would you Just so this one 
thing that they talk about was 

1123
00:50:57,610 --> 00:51:00,680
upset because that's one of the 
one of the things in the law is 

1124
00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:02,800
if they try to avoid 
apprehension, right. 

1125
00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:04,740
So upset they kept talking about
this. 

1126
00:51:04,750 --> 00:51:07,520
Here's another military term 
that, you know, tough militia 

1127
00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:11,280
guys like to throw out there. 
Dude is operational security. 

1128
00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:13,860
So something like going on to 
encrypted apps. 

1129
00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:16,120
Everything's fucking encrypted. 
So no matter what you talk on, 

1130
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:18,000
you have just participated 
upset. 

1131
00:51:18,010 --> 00:51:20,200
You have committed a one element
of a felony. 

1132
00:51:20,530 --> 00:51:25,950
OK, the laws, especially in 
Michigan after 911 in Michigan, 

1133
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,750
we adopted, I mean the patriotic
damn here, the Patriot Act. 

1134
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,350
But on the state level, there's 
a reason that all this stuff 

1135
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,070
went down in Michigan as opposed
to any of the other states that 

1136
00:51:35,180 --> 00:51:36,590
were supposedly involved with 
this. 

1137
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,700
Because no other states had the 
laws on the book that would 

1138
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:40,600
allow the government to come 
after an average person like 

1139
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:42,990
this. 
So it had to happen in Michigan,

1140
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:45,730
and no one could convince me 
otherwise because we we have 

1141
00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:51,960
some pretty messed up laws. 
So yeah, yeah, I forgot where I 

1142
00:51:51,970 --> 00:51:53,850
was going with. 
You did the you were telling us 

1143
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:55,440
about the video. 
You're telling you hold it up to

1144
00:51:55,450 --> 00:51:56,940
the screen, you're ready to get 
home to your kids. 

1145
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:59,020
I get all that stuff. 
Keep walking through where this 

1146
00:51:59,030 --> 00:52:03,320
trip is about. 
Yep, so, oh, previous to that, 

1147
00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:04,600
there was something else that 
happened. 

1148
00:52:04,610 --> 00:52:08,380
We ended up going to a diner, a 
bar to get to get something to 

1149
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:10,040
eat. 
When we got out of the truck, 

1150
00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:12,100
Dan mentioned about, you know, 
it's a bar. 

1151
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:13,560
We don't. 
I don't know if we can take our 

1152
00:52:13,570 --> 00:52:16,070
guns in there. 
And even though I was pretty 

1153
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,370
sure that we were OK as long as 
we sat away from the bar area, 

1154
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:22,450
that is the law. 
You know, just him saying that 

1155
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:26,140
because he was an RSO before 
Range safety Officer, so he 

1156
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:28,410
knows a lot about guns. 
I was like, you know, I don't 

1157
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:31,170
want to mess with that either. 
So I'll Up until that point, 

1158
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:32,490
nobody even knew I had a gun on 
me. 

1159
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:35,890
That's when I took it out, you 
know, and stole it in his 

1160
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,730
vehicle so we could go in. 
That's when Adam claimed he 

1161
00:52:38,740 --> 00:52:41,910
didn't have a gun on him. 
So whether he did or didn't, I 

1162
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,190
didn't know. 
But yeah, so we we went. 

1163
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,170
And then when we left, that's 
the ride afterward that I ended 

1164
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:55,370
up taking the video, they went 
over to a boat launch and tried 

1165
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:57,460
to find her place from across 
the boat launch. 

1166
00:52:58,710 --> 00:53:01,450
Oh shit, man. 
Again, I'm rabbit trailing at 

1167
00:53:01,460 --> 00:53:04,620
the fricking diner. 
Adam was making a map. 

1168
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:08,700
Dan had given him the paper and 
the pen and was coaching him. 

1169
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:11,230
They were he. 
It was his idea to find where 

1170
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,440
the, like police were at. 
And so they had miles away and 

1171
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:18,800
everything on this map. 
Again, in the audio, I you don't

1172
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:20,920
hear me say anything about I'm 
sitting there minding my own 

1173
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:22,480
damn business. 
I don't want to be a part of 

1174
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:24,180
anything. 
I'm not in the truck acting all 

1175
00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:26,600
sudden like, oh, yeah, man, I 
can't wait to do this. 

1176
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:30,020
I'm not one of these guys. 
I barely know. 

1177
00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:31,380
Adam. 
Do I want everybody to know 

1178
00:53:31,390 --> 00:53:33,540
this? 
I was not a part of any group. 

1179
00:53:33,550 --> 00:53:37,120
Wolverine, Watchman, Second 
Continental Militia as the US, 

1180
00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:40,100
you name it. 
I was not a part of any group. 

1181
00:53:40,110 --> 00:53:42,820
I did not know anybody I knew. 
Adam. 

1182
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:45,520
Barely. 
I got wrapped up out of the 14 

1183
00:53:45,610 --> 00:53:47,270
guys. 
I never went to any meetings. 

1184
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,110
I didn't help with any planning.
I got duped into a fucking ride,

1185
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:53,630
you know what I mean? 
And just because of everything 

1186
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,160
that I was involved in, I ended 
up rubbing shoulders with other 

1187
00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:59,280
people who are very, very 
similarly minded, you know? 

1188
00:53:59,290 --> 00:54:02,940
We're not exactly thinking the 
same, obviously, but we're very 

1189
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:06,790
similarly minded, you know, And 
that's how easy it was for me to

1190
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,690
get wrapped up in this. 
I got dumped on the right. 

1191
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,700
So Adam, not being an agent of 
the state or CHS, I did not get 

1192
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:18,970
entrapped because no Fed or CHS 
asked me to do this and it 

1193
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:22,330
wasn't duress because nobody 
overtly threatened me. 

1194
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:26,680
So I fall in this niche where I 
don't even have a defence other 

1195
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:28,910
than, yeah, I took the video, 
but I didn't want to. 

1196
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:32,100
Everybody's like, you know how 
dumb that sounds? 

1197
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:33,760
Like I'm gonna fuck what you 
think. 

1198
00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:34,980
Seriously. 
Three years? 

1199
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:36,850
I never once asked my attorney. 
Do you believe me? 

1200
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:38,900
Do you believe me? 
I never asked one person. 

1201
00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:42,310
Three years if I if anybody 
believe me, I don't need anybody

1202
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,820
else to believe me. 
I know that I did not go out to 

1203
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:46,640
hurt anybody. 
I don't need anybody else to 

1204
00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:49,920
believe that shit. 
I'm just going to ask people to 

1205
00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:52,610
kind of in our audience, just to
take a second and as we kind of 

1206
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:53,890
digest where we're at here with 
this. 

1207
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:58,070
But. 
I I can probably think of a half

1208
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,640
dozen instances in my own life 
and and we talked before we we 

1209
00:55:01,650 --> 00:55:05,690
started taping here, you know, 
if you're a young man. 

1210
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:11,110
If you're if you're a man, man 
of any man of any age, and you 

1211
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,650
don't look. 
Back and go like there's been a 

1212
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:16,270
one or two times when I've been 
either in a car or at a table or

1213
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,450
around a group of guys talking 
about something that seemed like

1214
00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:22,190
it, it was off. 
And you're like, man, this is 

1215
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,380
not my jam, this is not what I'm
about. 

1216
00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:26,320
But you're not gonna just step 
up. 

1217
00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:28,750
We're we're sort of socially 
conditioned, both as men and 

1218
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,000
also as just as human beings. 
To not rock boats. 

1219
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:34,090
There's a reason why a lot of 
atrocities have happened, 

1220
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,440
because people don't throw the 
US flag, and there's a reason 

1221
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:38,600
why a lot of people end up 
sitting in places going like. 

1222
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:41,780
I don't think this is really 
what I'm about, but there's no 

1223
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:45,800
overt threat at that moment. 
And and afterwards you look back

1224
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:47,580
at it a couple years later and 
you go like, man, I'm really 

1225
00:55:47,590 --> 00:55:49,880
glad I got out of that, OK? 
I'm really glad that this didn't

1226
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:53,000
go the way it could have gone. 
I now have some wisdom some some

1227
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:54,930
space. 
And I go, man. 

1228
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:56,450
That could have gone really 
sideways. 

1229
00:55:56,460 --> 00:55:58,560
Like we could have those guys 
could have robbed the bank and I

1230
00:55:58,570 --> 00:55:59,650
would have been in the car with 
them. 

1231
00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:02,490
Those guys could have run over 
that Lady and like, they thought

1232
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:04,520
it was funny and I didn't know 
if they were serious or not. 

1233
00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:06,960
Or you take your pick up, my 
friends got into a car drunk, 

1234
00:56:06,970 --> 00:56:08,580
whatever. 
It was like, everybody's got 

1235
00:56:08,590 --> 00:56:11,720
that story. 
And that story for you is what 

1236
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:13,110
you just told me. 
I can sense it. 

1237
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:15,080
I know where it is. 
I I know what that feels like. 

1238
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:17,170
I've been in a car where you 
just go like. 

1239
00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:19,970
This might not turn out well. 
I'm really glad. 

1240
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:21,730
And when it didn't, when it 
turns out well, you're like, I'm

1241
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:23,290
really glad it didn't go the way
it could have gone. 

1242
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:25,330
I'm glad I didn't have to run 
out of there or shoot my way out

1243
00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:28,360
of it or fight my way out of it 
or escape and be out in the 

1244
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:30,350
woods by myself, like trying to 
figure how to get home with no 

1245
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,130
phone like these, this happens. 
This is by good. 

1246
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:35,530
That's like a regular as there's
a guy who's a Special Forces 

1247
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:36,810
guy. 
He's a former Delta Force guy 

1248
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:40,070
and he calls it regular dude 
shit and like the sick regular 

1249
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,410
dude shit. 
Like, sometimes you just do dumb

1250
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:44,300
things, right? 
It's just dumb and you just go 

1251
00:56:44,310 --> 00:56:45,420
like Adam. 
Glad I got out of that. 

1252
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:51,030
No. 
It's hard for anybody, and I 

1253
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,260
imagine if you're a woman, 
that's not a thing that you've 

1254
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:55,790
experienced nearly as much. 
I just, I don't know. 

1255
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,190
I'm not a woman and I and I 
wouldn't pretend to know. 

1256
00:56:58,260 --> 00:57:00,440
But I imagine even women have a 
moment in their life, like, I 

1257
00:57:00,450 --> 00:57:02,300
shouldn't have gotten that car. 
And I'm glad it worked out OK. 

1258
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:04,850
My wife has told me stories 
about getting into a subway car 

1259
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,640
and getting out of it and being,
like, really glad. 

1260
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:13,090
Oh well, he'll be back, my 
friend. 

1261
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,240
There he is. 
Oh, there he am. 

1262
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:17,390
I just like this. 
We'll just call that the NSA 

1263
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,700
kicking in on our our. 
Piece. 

1264
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,530
Sometimes things are weird. 
OK, so you're you're in a weird 

1265
00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:24,050
diner. 
They're they're talking about 

1266
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:26,410
stuff. 
Adam's childishly excited about 

1267
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:29,670
it, which is not that. 
That's like cosplay stuff to me,

1268
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,390
You know, just being honest 
about it. 

1269
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,740
It's it's Larping to me. 
Oh, you had to watch a Larping. 

1270
00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:38,570
That's a red flag word. 
I think you're the one that 

1271
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:40,520
actually exposed that. 
That's one of the words on the 

1272
00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:41,650
list. 
Is it? 

1273
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:43,990
Larping yeah. 
Interesting. 

1274
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Tell me, tell me why that is. 
I I called the guys who do 

1275
00:57:46,570 --> 00:57:49,060
Antifa Larpers. 
They look like Larpers to me. 

1276
00:57:49,070 --> 00:57:51,380
I've seen them through night 
vision, fighting with cops, and 

1277
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:54,020
they think that they're like 
battling, you know, evil Dragons

1278
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:55,800
and stuff, like they're all 
dressed up in costumes. 

1279
00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:57,670
Anyway. 
So I always think Larping is 

1280
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,280
just, you know, it's just 
silliness. 

1281
00:57:59,290 --> 00:58:01,030
But why was that? 
Why was that? 

1282
00:58:01,780 --> 00:58:05,400
Flag do you think? 
Because apparently the 

1283
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:08,710
government's trying to get a 
head start on certain words that

1284
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,690
can be used. 
So Larping Live Action Role 

1285
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:14,190
Playing either has been or 
possibly could be used to 

1286
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,750
describe an FTX. 
I mean, that makes sense. 

1287
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:18,730
Yeah. 
And that may have been on that 

1288
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:21,280
million extremist list. 
I I don't have all the details 

1289
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:23,420
of it in the top of my head. 
The thing that drove me the most

1290
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:26,030
nuts was essentially kind of 
like what you were involved in. 

1291
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,550
There's a group called American 
Contingency. 

1292
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,270
You've heard of that? 
Fuck it. 

1293
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,180
Sounds familiar? 
It it's Mike Glover, who's a 

1294
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:34,180
former Green Beret and a former 
CIA contractor. 

1295
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:36,640
And like an American hero, Oh 
yeah, he created American 

1296
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:38,190
Contingency. 
It was just an online group for 

1297
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,820
people to basically get together
and find out who has a generator

1298
00:58:40,830 --> 00:58:42,780
and who wants to share food 
prepping skills and who knows 

1299
00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:46,400
how to use an iPad and so on. 
And they went after him and 

1300
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:49,030
called him a militia group with 
a low history of violence, even 

1301
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,840
though history of violence is 0.
So when we talk about the FBI 

1302
00:58:51,850 --> 00:58:54,200
lying about this stuff, I mean, 
I've seen it first hand that it 

1303
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:56,100
exists, it's out there. 
And I've been personally 

1304
00:58:56,110 --> 00:58:59,890
offended on behalf of guys like 
Mike Glover, who I have a an 

1305
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:02,600
acquaintance with, And Mike 
Glover is a really nice guy, and

1306
00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:04,200
everything he puts out seems to 
be. 

1307
00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:09,000
Interested in patriotism? 
Just keeping people safe in the 

1308
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:12,130
eventual, in the eventual, 
unfortunately, you know, event 

1309
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:14,880
that you're either dealing with 
a physical or a geopolitical 

1310
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:17,340
emergency. 
Yep. 

1311
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:18,990
Alright, alright. 
I don't want to take away from 

1312
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,540
your story. 
You're you're at the diner, Tell

1313
00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:21,520
me where you want to go with 
this. 

1314
00:59:21,570 --> 00:59:23,940
You guys, you took the video, 
you got called out for that sort

1315
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:25,550
of thing. 
How was the ride home for that? 

1316
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,650
Before we get to that, though, 
Because we did end up going over

1317
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:36,500
to that boat launch and Dan, the
CHS tried to say he's got 

1318
00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:38,960
pictures of Adam. 
Also, he's got pictures at the 

1319
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:40,460
diner. 
There's a reason he doesn't have

1320
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:42,520
pictures of me helping out. 
It's because I wasn't. 

1321
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:44,000
There's nothing to take a 
picture of. 

1322
00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:47,580
Over at the boat launch. 
I stayed over by the vehicle and

1323
00:59:47,590 --> 00:59:51,040
I have an overhead view of this 
boat launch, which I can also 

1324
00:59:51,050 --> 00:59:53,020
send you so you can see where 
the hell I was at. 

1325
00:59:53,070 --> 00:59:55,360
I was like 6070 feet away from 
these two. 

1326
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:58,470
He's got pictures of Adam 
looking across, you know, trying

1327
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,620
to find her place. 
Why are there pictures of me? 

1328
01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:02,560
Oh, again, I'm not into this 
shit. 

1329
01:00:02,570 --> 01:00:05,080
I stayed right the fuck away, 
then tried to say that I was 

1330
01:00:05,090 --> 01:00:07,850
standing behind him. 
Reading a sign so you didn't 

1331
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:09,550
even box off. 
I'm standing behind you. 

1332
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,550
You didn't even try to take, you
know, an angle, so you keep both

1333
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,520
of us in your sight. 
You let me stand behind you. 

1334
01:00:14,530 --> 01:00:16,150
And you kidding me? 
You know that I'm armed and I'm 

1335
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,940
this bad guy and whatnot. 
What a liar do. 

1336
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:21,880
I don't even let people stand 
behind me. 

1337
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:24,180
I know better. 
You know what? 

1338
01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:26,160
A liar. 
So anyways, that's why he 

1339
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:28,100
doesn't have a picture of me, 
because I also wasn't a part of 

1340
01:00:28,110 --> 01:00:32,070
that. 
So then the ride home, but 

1341
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,600
before we actually left, it was 
brought up to go look at the 

1342
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:39,100
police again. 
And I did bring up at one point 

1343
01:00:39,110 --> 01:00:41,210
it was just something to add to 
make it seem like, hey, you 

1344
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:44,780
know, he he's kind of cool, but 
only because they had mentioned 

1345
01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:46,900
it previously. 
So it was something I could say.

1346
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:48,780
I was like, hey cool. 
We don't really because I'm 

1347
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:51,140
sitting there quiet like fuck, I
got to say song, they're going 

1348
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:53,360
to get suspicious again. 
I'm trying to figure shit out. 

1349
01:00:53,410 --> 01:00:55,370
So I didn't mention the police. 
Yeah. 

1350
01:00:55,410 --> 01:00:57,340
Anyways, they were going to do 
it anyways because at the 

1351
01:00:57,350 --> 01:00:59,380
beginning, before they left 
Grand Rapids, they brought it 

1352
01:00:59,390 --> 01:01:02,260
up, they brought it up there. 
I just kind of reiterated the 

1353
01:01:02,270 --> 01:01:04,600
thing because again, you can't 
just sit there, right? 

1354
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:06,580
Right. 
You're going to be suspicious. 

1355
01:01:06,590 --> 01:01:09,070
Everybody knows this, everyone's
looking for. 

1356
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,120
Spot the Fed? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1357
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,080
So we went and sat there for a 
second and then went for the 

1358
01:01:17,090 --> 01:01:18,890
ride home. 
And no shit, dude. 

1359
01:01:18,970 --> 01:01:21,570
The whole ride home it was not 
talked about. 

1360
01:01:21,580 --> 01:01:25,110
There was a couple of times 
where Adam asked me, you know, 

1361
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,550
are you in? 
And I said, you know, no, do you

1362
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,990
want to be a driver or a medic? 
And instead of saying yes or a 

1363
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,850
hard no, I just avoid it. 
I was like, you know, I, I, I 

1364
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:37,010
don't even know what's 
happening. 

1365
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:41,590
I'm hearing bits and pieces and 
this is after everything which 

1366
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,280
should show you I don't have any
or knowledge on this. 

1367
01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:45,600
Crap. 
And this is all recorded of 

1368
01:01:45,610 --> 01:01:47,890
course. 
Yes, yes it is. 

1369
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:52,160
I got the whole 5 hour ride man.
So anyways, I'm telling him I'm 

1370
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:54,690
only getting bits and pieces and
I did not commit. 

1371
01:01:54,740 --> 01:01:57,370
I refused to commit. 
I was always noncommittal and 

1372
01:01:57,380 --> 01:02:00,110
any answer I gave because I 
refused to say yes and I sure as

1373
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:05,290
hell refused to say no. 
So what did the FBI do to get me

1374
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:07,500
actually in trouble? 
They took that. 

1375
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,160
It was 4 1/2 hours from the 
beginning of the tape. 

1376
01:02:10,170 --> 01:02:13,070
Right? 
They put it back right after 

1377
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,950
Adam made the comment about 
we're going to blow up your 

1378
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,070
boat, the joke. 
And they said that this part 

1379
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,510
happened one minute afterwards, 
which would say to you that I 

1380
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,730
had knowledge of what was going 
to happen before we went up. 

1381
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,140
So the judge signed off on my 
warrant under the impression 

1382
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:28,250
that I had four knowledge and 
therefore intent. 

1383
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,970
This is how I got wrapped up. 
So even though I do do things 

1384
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:34,280
that average people don't do, 
like I'm involved with civil 

1385
01:02:34,290 --> 01:02:36,810
defence forces, the militias and
this and that, I'm actually 

1386
01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:38,600
working with the police and with
pets. 

1387
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,910
This is not average person 
stuff. 

1388
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,600
I do find myself in situations 
that the average person doesn't,

1389
01:02:44,410 --> 01:02:47,190
you know? 
Again, I'm. 

1390
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,920
I'm rabbit trailing here. 
There's so much jumbled up in my

1391
01:02:51,930 --> 01:02:55,170
head that my mouth could only 
get out a little bit at a time. 

1392
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:59,330
Dude, I get so far ahead of 
myself, But yeah, I didn't know 

1393
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:00,750
anything. 
I had no intent, I had no 

1394
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,760
knowledge. 
But that's that's one of the 

1395
01:03:02,770 --> 01:03:04,530
things they did to get me 
wrapped up. 

1396
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,490
They completely manipulated in 
life. 

1397
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,390
Agent Import did that. 
Him and Jason Chambers work 

1398
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,300
together on this. 
They were partners. 

1399
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:15,560
Chambers did over. 
I think he did 215 reports. 

1400
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:20,080
Agent Impala, 5 reports. 
And he couldn't get this one 

1401
01:03:20,090 --> 01:03:22,220
right. 
Oh, there was a typo when we 

1402
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:23,620
were. 
When they tried to bring up in 

1403
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:26,520
court at the trial, my attorney 
jumped up and said, wait, before

1404
01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:29,840
you do that, you might want to 
look at that because Bill and I 

1405
01:03:29,850 --> 01:03:32,560
went through the whole ride the 
weekend before. 

1406
01:03:32,570 --> 01:03:34,340
So we knew exactly where 
everything was at. 

1407
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:36,770
And we hear this, we're like, 
oh, say something. 

1408
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:39,720
So he's like, you guys might 
want to stop and check your time

1409
01:03:39,730 --> 01:03:41,880
stamps. 
No shit, man, they said. 

1410
01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:43,370
We've been sitting on this for 
three years. 

1411
01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:46,100
We know what we're doing and 
they played it in front of the 

1412
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:48,110
jury. 
They played so they played like 

1413
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,550
a like a two minute clip that 
had 60 seconds here and 60 

1414
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,030
seconds 4 hours later and acted 
like they were concurrent. 

1415
01:03:55,180 --> 01:04:00,200
Yes, they sure as hell did. 
OK, so my attorney jumped up and

1416
01:04:00,210 --> 01:04:02,140
of course objected. 
And we went to lunch. 

1417
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:04,550
The judge was like, well, lunch 
break during lunch. 

1418
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,040
The prosecution actually 
actually went over it. 

1419
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:09,080
They had to come back with their
heads down, tails tucked between

1420
01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:12,040
their legs like, well, Mr 
Burnett, Mr Malato were right. 

1421
01:04:12,050 --> 01:04:16,260
You know it did happen 4 1/2 
hours afterwards there was a 

1422
01:04:16,270 --> 01:04:18,820
typo in. 
Police said you got fucking 

1423
01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:21,100
reports. 
My life's worth a typo. 

1424
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:24,220
Do what, you lying sack of shit?
So he was quoting from what his 

1425
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:27,750
his FD 302 the the testimonial 
document describing what that 

1426
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,360
CHS report was. 
Is that what what the typo was 

1427
01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:34,840
supposedly in? 
How you said a lot of things 

1428
01:04:34,850 --> 01:04:38,020
that sorry. 
Usually when you write up what 

1429
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:41,090
happens, there's two ways that 
the FBI writes up reporting. 

1430
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:44,350
If it comes from a source, it 
can either be from a 10/23, 

1431
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,330
that's the source CHS report, 
that's when you debrief the CHS,

1432
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,020
or you might do something that's
a testimonial document and those

1433
01:04:50,030 --> 01:04:53,070
are usually called 3 O twos. 
And that's like the agent writes

1434
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,330
up like on this day so and so 
went there, You know, CHS 

1435
01:04:55,340 --> 01:04:56,930
reported that he did this, blah 
blah, blah. 

1436
01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:59,550
He said this thing 5 seconds 
later he said this thing and 

1437
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,620
it's written up in typed form. 
That's what we're dealing with 

1438
01:05:02,730 --> 01:05:06,780
that that sounds more like it. 
OK, so those are theoretically 

1439
01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:09,090
they're testimonial documents. 
When you sign them, you are 

1440
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:10,780
swearing in testing that they 
are true. 

1441
01:05:10,850 --> 01:05:13,200
Your supervisor signs them and 
reviews them. 

1442
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:15,260
They may or may not include the 
audio. 

1443
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:17,080
If there's audio, they're 
supposed to, it's supposed to go

1444
01:05:17,090 --> 01:05:19,660
in like a file. 
And so all this stuff came along

1445
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:22,100
and he supposedly made the 
mistake of saying these two 

1446
01:05:22,110 --> 01:05:24,100
statements were back to back, 
even though he would have had to

1447
01:05:24,110 --> 01:05:25,560
cut them out of five hours of 
tape. 

1448
01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,470
Yes. 
You know, we call that in the 

1449
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,800
business. 
What that's called Giglio 

1450
01:05:31,810 --> 01:05:33,220
material. 
That's when you lie under oath. 

1451
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:35,270
And then every, every time 
afterwards, you're supposed to 

1452
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,320
have to tell the prosecutors 
that are trying to, if you're 

1453
01:05:38,330 --> 01:05:40,720
trying to bring a case that you 
have now been involved in an 

1454
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:42,520
adjudicated lie where you lied 
under. 

1455
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:44,210
Oath. 
It's usually supposed to end 

1456
01:05:44,220 --> 01:05:45,390
your career, just for what it's 
worth. 

1457
01:05:47,090 --> 01:05:48,760
So here's the thing. 
These things make me sick. 

1458
01:05:48,830 --> 01:05:51,380
And the reason why they make me 
sick is because if this case is 

1459
01:05:51,390 --> 01:05:52,900
so important to you to get it 
right. 

1460
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:56,480
And you don't care what's true. 
Wouldn't it be better for you to

1461
01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:59,010
just know what's true and you 
go, look, we investigated. 

1462
01:05:59,020 --> 01:06:01,960
There's no threat. 
Hurray, America's safe. 

1463
01:06:02,030 --> 01:06:04,260
We did our job. 
Or you say there is a threat and

1464
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:05,840
we found out what it is. 
Hurray. 

1465
01:06:05,890 --> 01:06:08,130
America's safe. 
The end result for the people is

1466
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:10,520
what it's supposed to be about. 
This is why I don't work at the 

1467
01:06:10,530 --> 01:06:12,690
FBI anymore. 
It turns out I actually, I 

1468
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,590
actually got really proud of, of
doing a case where I found out 

1469
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,360
that the person was accused of 
doing something. 

1470
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:19,980
Child molestation, it turned 
out, and he didn't do it. 

1471
01:06:20,290 --> 01:06:23,180
And we were able to pretty much 
conclusively identify that this 

1472
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:25,230
guy who was alleged to be a 
child sex predator was in fact 

1473
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,650
not doing that. 
He was actually doing that. 

1474
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:28,900
Wasn't bad at all. 
It looked horrible, but once you

1475
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:31,110
had the full facts, you 
exonerate somebody. 

1476
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,550
That's called exculpatory 
evidence. 

1477
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,650
Finding exculpatory evidence is 
just as good as finding 

1478
01:06:34,660 --> 01:06:37,510
incriminating evidence for me. 
I wasn't allowed to bring 

1479
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,790
anything in on my behalf, 
anything that could counter what

1480
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,850
they said I wasn't allowed to 
bring in. 

1481
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,060
It got to the point where the 
defect or the prosecution when 

1482
01:06:46,070 --> 01:06:47,270
they were bringing in their 
exhibits. 

1483
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,110
I get somebody like, oh, we're 
not going to put that in. 

1484
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,770
And then so my attorney, I 
wanted everything I said open 

1485
01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:55,590
everything up and then we will 
explain it as we go. 

1486
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,330
So my attorney took everything 
that they didn't want out of 

1487
01:06:58,340 --> 01:07:02,000
their own evidence and we 
brought in is the is the defence

1488
01:07:02,210 --> 01:07:05,240
exhibits. 
So they don't they don't have to

1489
01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:07,860
ruin their own case but bringing
a case that's weak, that has a 

1490
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:09,860
lot of exculpatory information 
is stupid. 

1491
01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:11,900
I don't understand why anyone 
want to do it and it and it 

1492
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:14,240
leads to the political motives 
that are behind you know that 

1493
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:16,240
what is destroyed your life at 
least for the last couple of 

1494
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:17,800
years. 
It's why I think the story so 

1495
01:07:17,810 --> 01:07:21,320
important and and the fact that 
you were acquitted is the icing 

1496
01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:22,710
on the cake. 
But. 

1497
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:26,270
What's that? 
Sorry, I got to tell you this 

1498
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,810
because we're talking about the 
Giglio stuff there. 

1499
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,890
So because he said that, that's 
lying under oath. 

1500
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:38,000
So Agent Impala, it's recorded 
talking to one of the CHS is 

1501
01:07:38,010 --> 01:07:42,560
involved in this Robertson. 
His last name is Robison, he's 

1502
01:07:42,570 --> 01:07:46,820
from Wisconsin. 
He is a multi felon from a 

1503
01:07:46,830 --> 01:07:48,670
couple different states. 
His felonies in a couple 

1504
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,500
different states. 
He's been used by the FBI 

1505
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:55,000
multiple times to be CHS. 
He was a double agent in this 

1506
01:07:55,010 --> 01:07:56,650
case. 
So while he was working for the 

1507
01:07:56,660 --> 01:08:00,220
FBI he was also working for the 
bad guys and trying to and 

1508
01:08:00,230 --> 01:08:02,820
telling them hey watch out for 
you know their speeds involved 

1509
01:08:02,830 --> 01:08:05,260
and they're about to be doing 
raids and stuff. 

1510
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:09,840
While he ended up talking to FBI
guy or CHS and that's how he and

1511
01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:12,680
are getting busted. 
He was busted with A50 calibre 

1512
01:08:12,690 --> 01:08:15,890
rifle. 
He had during this time bought a

1513
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:18,390
pistol off another CHS. 
They didn't supposedly didn't 

1514
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:21,670
know about each other right? 
He's a felon so his 

1515
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,569
admonishments he should not have
had that while he was let go on 

1516
01:08:24,580 --> 01:08:26,330
the pistol because he know he 
bought it. 

1517
01:08:26,819 --> 01:08:29,680
He bought it for his wife so his
intent was not for him to have 

1518
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:31,620
it. 
Get out of here dude. 

1519
01:08:31,850 --> 01:08:34,390
So they let that one go. 
The reason they came down on him

1520
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,439
is because he was starting to 
talk about killing the CHS Dan 

1521
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,200
with a 50K L What did he get 
busted with? 

1522
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:44,080
A 50 Cal? 
This was a double agent, Agent 

1523
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:46,800
Impala. 
It's recorded telling him don't 

1524
01:08:46,810 --> 01:08:49,580
let the story or don't let the 
facts get in the way of a good 

1525
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:52,040
story. 
He was one of the leads on this 

1526
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:55,529
case and it's reported him 
saying it to this guy, so 

1527
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,130
there's that. 
It's so troubling because it 

1528
01:08:59,140 --> 01:09:01,729
shows an obvious motive. 
It shows the impetus to go and 

1529
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:02,920
do this thing regardless of 
what? 

1530
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:05,520
Like that's not what your oath 
says you're supposed to do. 

1531
01:09:05,529 --> 01:09:07,149
That's not what. 
That's not what law enforcement 

1532
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,380
is about. 
The law enforcement is you go 

1533
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:09,970
find out what the truth is. 
You bring in front of the jury. 

1534
01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:11,930
The jury decides whether you win
or you lose. 

1535
01:09:11,979 --> 01:09:14,880
Like, do you know how much more 
money an agent gets if they're 

1536
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:17,510
their case goes to trial and 
they have an acquittal like in 

1537
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,830
your case? 
No, none. 

1538
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,720
They don't get any money, you 
know happens if you were found 

1539
01:09:22,729 --> 01:09:25,779
guilty. 
Nothing. 

1540
01:09:26,310 --> 01:09:28,319
It doesn't matter. 
It doesn't matter. 

1541
01:09:28,330 --> 01:09:30,640
Like you don't get paid by the 
case, You don't get paid by the 

1542
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:32,560
acquittal. 
You don't get paid by the guilty

1543
01:09:32,569 --> 01:09:34,029
verdict. 
None of these things are 

1544
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,460
relevant. 
It's not how you get paid. 

1545
01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:36,930
Your job is to go out and do an 
investigation. 

1546
01:09:36,939 --> 01:09:38,529
That's fair. 
You're supposed to find out as 

1547
01:09:38,540 --> 01:09:40,779
much of the information you can.
You present it to the attorney. 

1548
01:09:40,790 --> 01:09:43,109
The attorney decides whether to 
charge or not, and then the jury

1549
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,310
decides whether you're innocent 
or guilty or you're not guilty. 

1550
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:46,710
That's it. 
They do innocent. 

1551
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,180
Obviously. 
They say not guilty or they say 

1552
01:09:48,189 --> 01:09:49,710
that you're guilty. 
So they don't. 

1553
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:50,840
They don't find innocence, 
right? 

1554
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:52,500
They find they acquit you of the
charges. 

1555
01:09:52,510 --> 01:09:57,060
But it's paid, though it might 
not be Extra money, might not be

1556
01:09:57,070 --> 01:09:59,530
a bonus, but all everybody moved
up. 

1557
01:09:59,540 --> 01:10:01,690
Inflow went from Flint to 
Detroit. 

1558
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,650
Sunita Domani, she was one of 
the original prosecutors. 

1559
01:10:04,660 --> 01:10:07,450
She ended up moving up, you 
know. 

1560
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:09,010
So she got a promotion out of 
this. 

1561
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,740
One of the original prosecutors,
Gregory Townsend, was actually 

1562
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:14,900
kicked off in this case because 
when it first got brought up, it

1563
01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:20,220
was found that he had lied and 
got this guy locked up for 14 

1564
01:10:20,230 --> 01:10:21,530
years. 
This guys now out. 

1565
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,230
He was locked up, wrongly 
accused and convicted of setting

1566
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,150
his house on fire, murdering his
fucking children. 

1567
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,750
Can you imagine me accused of 
murdering your children having? 

1568
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:31,510
I'd sit in prison. 
I got nothing left. 

1569
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,510
And once my kids are gone, you 
know what I mean? 

1570
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,290
Like, yeah, man, like you can't 
ruin me more than that. 

1571
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,740
But the fact that innocent 
person, because this guy wanted 

1572
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:42,650
to lie, he used a corrupt snitch
like, like FBI does, right? 

1573
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:44,950
So he had to get booted off the 
case. 

1574
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,740
He was allowed to actually step 
out of his position. 

1575
01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:48,690
I'm pretty sure he's got his 
pension and everything else. 

1576
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:51,920
He was allowed to step down and 
this is what our system is like.

1577
01:10:51,930 --> 01:10:55,280
Sunita Domani got her promotion 
before this case finished. 

1578
01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:57,410
It's so important to you. 
It's so personal to you that 

1579
01:10:57,420 --> 01:10:59,830
you're not even going to see it 
through to the end and ride the 

1580
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,700
accolades out. 
But really, do everybody got 

1581
01:11:02,710 --> 01:11:05,320
promoted? 
Dantuono, we all know where he 

1582
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:08,930
ended up and he's the one that 
was, you know, the head during 

1583
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:11,510
when this first opened up. 
Everybody got promoted, dude. 

1584
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:15,990
So no, they didn't get a check. 
They get a continual check with 

1585
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,180
continual bump and pay. 
And that's something. 

1586
01:11:19,340 --> 01:11:21,070
It's not how it's supposed to 
work, but it is. 

1587
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:23,420
It is something that we saw. 
And I think that's so that's 

1588
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:25,790
what has been so offensive to 
many Americans. 

1589
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,520
You mentioned Steve D'antuono. 
So for folks that don't know, he

1590
01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:30,890
was a special agent in charge of
the Detroit field office, which 

1591
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:32,610
was responsible for running this
case. 

1592
01:11:32,620 --> 01:11:34,000
I don't think he had a lot of 
hands on him. 

1593
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:35,720
But he would have been briefed 
on it because it would have been

1594
01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:38,490
a higher tiered threat. 
And then, yeah, he ended up at 

1595
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:40,350
the Washington field office as 
the assistant director in 

1596
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,130
charge, which would have been, 
yeah, that was my boss for a 

1597
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:46,120
while. 
And then, interestingly, he took

1598
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:48,770
a job, the assistant director in
charge, which is a rocket fuel 

1599
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:51,790
position for people who work in 
the FBI, and he retired from it.

1600
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:54,270
Sort of suddenly, yeah. 
And now he's been talking about,

1601
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,730
oh, well, maybe the pipe bombs 
weren't real in Washington, DC 

1602
01:11:56,740 --> 01:11:58,550
on January 6th and this and 
that. 

1603
01:11:58,620 --> 01:12:00,870
And suddenly I think he's caught
in a bear trap as well. 

1604
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,230
I don't know what sort of lies 
he got involved in. 

1605
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,770
He also has come out and said 
that he was against raiding 

1606
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:07,790
Miralago. 
So that's kind of interesting. 

1607
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,800
He's changed a lot of his tunes 
now that he doesn't work there. 

1608
01:12:09,810 --> 01:12:12,780
And he's gone out to a a big 
accounting job because he was an

1609
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:14,830
accountant and he worked with 
one of my buddies, the original 

1610
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,210
producer of my podcast, and we 
don't think very kindly SD 

1611
01:12:18,220 --> 01:12:20,190
Antonio. 
He's kind of a coward on every 

1612
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,860
level of a gutless fish. 
And now he works for KPMG, which

1613
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:24,990
is one of the big accounting 
firms. 

1614
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,960
In the world. 
So everybody got a bonus, 

1615
01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:30,260
everybody got bumped up, 
everybody got promoted. 

1616
01:12:30,370 --> 01:12:31,770
Except. 
Except Chambers. 

1617
01:12:31,780 --> 01:12:33,650
He didn't. 
He had some problems. 

1618
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:36,040
Yeah. 
You want to talk about him? 

1619
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:41,180
I don't really know that much 
about Chambers except for he 

1620
01:12:41,190 --> 01:12:44,060
also is a liar. 
I'm sorry, man. 

1621
01:12:44,130 --> 01:12:47,500
Anybody who's in the FBI right 
now, you're you're all bad guys 

1622
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:49,960
man. 
Right now, like I will back any 

1623
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:52,540
law enforcement, but it is a 
good guy that will stand up 

1624
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:55,860
against their fellow you know 
employees, their Co workers that

1625
01:12:55,870 --> 01:12:58,490
are bad people. 
You have the civilians behind 

1626
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:59,560
you. 
We will back you. 

1627
01:12:59,570 --> 01:13:02,000
We want you. 
But you have to step up. 

1628
01:13:02,010 --> 01:13:04,760
Who gives a fuck if if you, you 
know, so you're going to be 

1629
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:07,020
looked down on by your peers. 
I'm telling you right now, 

1630
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:08,900
they're not your peers. 
They are criminals. 

1631
01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:11,210
They are beneath you. 
Rise above them. 

1632
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:14,400
Because if you're a good law 
enforcement person and you know 

1633
01:13:14,410 --> 01:13:15,520
about them, you don't say 
anything. 

1634
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:17,670
You are just as guilty as they 
are. 

1635
01:13:17,740 --> 01:13:20,430
But I'm telling you from first 
hand experience being around 

1636
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,430
militias the way that guys talk 
where when you know nobody else 

1637
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,630
is listening. 
We need law enforcement. 

1638
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,430
We respect law enforcement but 
we we cannot stand behind 

1639
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:31,330
cowards. 
So you grab the word coward. 

1640
01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:32,840
All these mother fuckers are 
cowards. 

1641
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,650
If you're not then say 
something. 

1642
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:37,230
You know the one like you Where 
are you at now because you you 

1643
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,390
said something. 
Thank you for saying something 

1644
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:41,740
you and missed your friend. 
Thank you for doing this and 

1645
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:44,450
everybody else who has. 
We got your back and now 

1646
01:13:44,460 --> 01:13:47,350
unfortunately you're not in the 
positions we need you with. 

1647
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:50,360
Something. 
Yeah, this may be more important

1648
01:13:50,370 --> 01:13:52,570
though, it turns out, because we
can still tell the story and it 

1649
01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:55,390
still hurts the feelings. 
You mentioned Steve Friend who 

1650
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,940
people will see on Fridays. 
On my show we do a regular 

1651
01:13:57,950 --> 01:14:01,080
segment Friendly Friday, so he 
doesn't look very friendly. 

1652
01:14:01,090 --> 01:14:03,110
Steve's not necessarily that 
friendly to most people. 

1653
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,990
He's a really serious dude and 
and he takes his oath really 

1654
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,490
seriously and he takes his 
country seriously. 

1655
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:09,200
So that's kind of the nature of 
what we all thought we were 

1656
01:14:09,210 --> 01:14:11,370
getting. 
It turns out that when you have 

1657
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:13,370
an organisation full of people 
that are not that serious and 

1658
01:14:13,380 --> 01:14:16,100
are interested in federal law 
enforcement cosplay and they're 

1659
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:18,170
happy to set people up into into
ugly things. 

1660
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:19,770
Look, I worked domestic 
terrorism cases. 

1661
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:21,990
I've worked to international 
terrorism cases on the 

1662
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:22,790
surveillance. 
Of it. 

1663
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,220
So they were not my cases, but I
got briefed on them and they are

1664
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:28,060
almost always. 
I've told this to Julie Kelly 

1665
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:30,520
many times and I don't know if 
you've seen her coverage, but 

1666
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:32,650
she was obviously very big on 
covering down on the on the 

1667
01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:35,360
Whitmer case and you know it's 
like. 

1668
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:39,930
They are morally equivalent to 
entrapment, whether or not they 

1669
01:14:39,940 --> 01:14:42,590
meet the legal definition or 
not, because they are dragging 

1670
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,760
people into a place that 
everybody like a you and me and 

1671
01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:48,330
a regular dude would look at it 
and go, that's in trapping 

1672
01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:49,490
somebody. 
Why? 

1673
01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:52,130
Why is that allowed? 
But there is a legal definition 

1674
01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:54,760
that is not the same definition 
that you would walk around and 

1675
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:56,870
think of what entrapment is if 
you were to watch a police show,

1676
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,310
let's say, right? 
Are you just kicked the nest 

1677
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:00,720
right there, dude? 
Yep. 

1678
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,050
It's it's hard to watch from the
outside because I've seen these 

1679
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:06,050
and you. 
Go How are you feeling? 

1680
01:15:06,060 --> 01:15:08,400
Good about doing this case. 
And the best thing about it for 

1681
01:15:08,410 --> 01:15:11,150
most people that they don't 
realise almost all of the 

1682
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,610
domestic terrorism cases and 
almost all of the international 

1683
01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:16,490
terrorism cases the FBI works, 
never result in charges. 

1684
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,670
They're just a money pot of 
funding for surveillance teams, 

1685
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,650
funding for equipment, funding 
for putting CHS together, 

1686
01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:29,530
funding for giving money to the 
CHS, funding left and left and 

1687
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:31,460
right. 
We write it up for as long as 

1688
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:33,230
you can do it. 
Man, you know what's better than

1689
01:15:33,290 --> 01:15:34,950
a case that gets charged like 
yours? 

1690
01:15:35,850 --> 01:15:39,320
Case that never gets charged and
just has unlimited potential for

1691
01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:41,650
writing up paperwork for as long
as possible. 

1692
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,780
That's got to stop. 
That's what they love. 

1693
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:48,420
That's what they do. 
It's, I mean, it's a money pit. 

1694
01:15:48,510 --> 01:15:53,000
The Congress says, you know, 
that in in 2022, the FBI 

1695
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:56,040
forecasted to Congress that they
were going to find 600 terrorist

1696
01:15:56,050 --> 01:15:57,410
plots and they were going to 
disrupt them. 

1697
01:15:58,150 --> 01:16:00,440
They forecasted that you know 
how many they actually found? 

1698
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:07,660
None. 397 Flyers. 
So last year, you have to 

1699
01:16:07,670 --> 01:16:11,270
believe that the FBI found 397 
terrorist plots and disrupted 

1700
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,900
them. 
That means they found one every 

1701
01:16:12,910 --> 01:16:15,380
single day of the year, twice on
all the Sundays. 

1702
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:18,560
And that's how many terrorist 
plots were disrupted in America.

1703
01:16:18,570 --> 01:16:22,360
Could you believe that? 
No, I don't liars. 

1704
01:16:23,020 --> 01:16:25,300
How many, how many disruptions, 
how many people were arrested in

1705
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:28,020
the in the Whitmer situation 
that that you knew or didn't 

1706
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:32,740
know Half of the group so 14, 
because the other fourteen were 

1707
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:36,250
feds and CHS. 
So 14 disruptions. 

1708
01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:38,770
That's what they claimed from 
that 14 terrorist plots 

1709
01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:41,220
disrupted each. 
Each one of those arrests is a 

1710
01:16:41,230 --> 01:16:43,180
disruption as long as they deal 
on different days. 

1711
01:16:45,670 --> 01:16:47,620
Fuckers. 
And that's something. 

1712
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:49,880
I mean, doesn't that change just
the way that you look at all of 

1713
01:16:49,890 --> 01:16:52,750
it? 
Dude, I have. 

1714
01:16:52,860 --> 01:16:54,810
I haven't been warped. 
I've actually been. 

1715
01:16:54,860 --> 01:16:58,100
I had my eyes open to it. 
And things aren't surprising me 

1716
01:16:58,110 --> 01:17:00,710
that much anymore. 
I used to idolise my government,

1717
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,150
man. 
I love my country, but this 

1718
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,790
government's not what was 
intended. 

1719
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,010
And they are evil. 
So let's talk about the mindset 

1720
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:10,130
change. 
I think that's probably a good 

1721
01:17:10,140 --> 01:17:12,770
place to land some of this, you 
know, this, this thought 

1722
01:17:12,780 --> 01:17:14,640
process. 
You've given people a little 

1723
01:17:14,650 --> 01:17:16,270
taste about what you're 
experiencing, some of the things

1724
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,980
that are going on in your head. 
I'd like to talk about what the 

1725
01:17:18,990 --> 01:17:21,670
lingering effects are of going 
through a trial where you're 

1726
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,450
accused of doing something that 
you've been acquitted of now 

1727
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:30,610
OHS. 
So I thought it would get easier

1728
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,240
afterwards. 
I thought the like, the paranoia

1729
01:17:33,250 --> 01:17:36,910
and the anxiety would go away. 
But actually it's gotten it's 

1730
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,210
actually gotten worse. 
So at the beginning of this I 

1731
01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:41,370
mentioned that I get anxiety at 
the beginning of every 

1732
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:44,310
interview. 
It's the same anxiety I get when

1733
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,330
I see a cop car. 
It's the same anxiety I get when

1734
01:17:47,340 --> 01:17:51,270
I hear helicopter go over my 
house or I see a car that's not 

1735
01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:54,930
you know, we don't see on our Rd
because we live on a kind of 

1736
01:17:54,940 --> 01:17:58,770
dirt Rd there. 
I am paranoid as hell. 

1737
01:17:59,540 --> 01:18:03,570
I've been warned to actually my 
attorney God bless his soul here

1738
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,570
he said he told me keep your 
fucking head down. 

1739
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:07,230
He said the feds can still come 
after you. 

1740
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,070
So here's a two stage system 
right. 

1741
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,670
I was found not guilty in the 
state if the feds wanted to pick

1742
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,090
me up and the same exact charges
they can because it's not double

1743
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:19,790
double jeopardy. 
I want to point out this is one 

1744
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,190
of the things I've learned that 
they will use this system to 

1745
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,570
make sure that you can't have 
anybody speak on your behalf. 

1746
01:18:25,580 --> 01:18:29,610
So they use the threat of being 
a non indicted Co conspirator 

1747
01:18:29,710 --> 01:18:31,790
against other people who were 
willing to testify on her 

1748
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,860
behalf. 
Adam Fox himself was willing to 

1749
01:18:33,870 --> 01:18:37,160
come and testify on my behalf 
until he was threatened. 

1750
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:39,940
And of course it's not a 
straight threat, but you know 

1751
01:18:39,950 --> 01:18:42,040
what it means, the prosecution 
told his attorney. 

1752
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:46,570
We will get him a state attorney
for coming back and you might 

1753
01:18:46,580 --> 01:18:47,710
want to tell him to keep his 
mouth shut. 

1754
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,260
He's an out of date 
coconspirator. 

1755
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,650
So all of a sudden Adam says I 
can't do it. 

1756
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,620
He's already doing 16 years. 
Why would he do another 20? 

1757
01:18:56,820 --> 01:18:58,150
And I couldn't blame him for 
that. 

1758
01:18:58,580 --> 01:19:00,170
But yes, they manipulate. 
They lie. 

1759
01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:02,620
Now let my attorney get ahold of
a witness against me and say you

1760
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:05,430
know we got some dirt on you. 
If you testify, we're going to 

1761
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,480
throw it up. 
That's witness tampering. 

1762
01:19:07,530 --> 01:19:10,150
But Nope, not when the not when 
the state does it or the feds. 

1763
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,450
So I'm completely disillusioned 
and and just separated from my, 

1764
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,290
my, the current government just 
because I know who and what they

1765
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:22,130
are now a little bit. 
I'm scared Dang near all the 

1766
01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:24,490
time. 
The other day I did have a 

1767
01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:26,130
helicopter go over my house at 
like 2:00 AM. 

1768
01:19:26,540 --> 01:19:29,670
There's low enough to rattle the
house, so I ran upstairs and I 

1769
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,690
stood out on the porch waiting 
for an AMRAP to pull up again 

1770
01:19:32,740 --> 01:19:34,330
with another 40 agents to get 
me. 

1771
01:19:34,340 --> 01:19:36,710
So I sit on the porch and I was 
waiting. 

1772
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,110
I don't even know how long I was
out there till I realised I was 

1773
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,490
waiting for him to come get me. 
So this fucking stupid. 

1774
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:45,970
Then I got mad. 
I I was already afraid of them. 

1775
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:48,800
So I'm an innocent person, 
afraid of my government. 

1776
01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:51,750
I'm pissed. 
You know how how it's affected 

1777
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,230
me. 
Now I'm. 

1778
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,990
I'm willing to fight them. 
You know, I'm. 

1779
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,690
I'm getting into politics. 
I already have representatives 

1780
01:19:57,700 --> 01:20:01,200
willing to back me. 
I've got a lot of things going 

1781
01:20:01,210 --> 01:20:03,070
forward. 
I've got some good ideas. 

1782
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,840
I've seen things that most 
people have not, and I know 

1783
01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:08,090
things that need to be changed 
for for our benefit. 

1784
01:20:08,940 --> 01:20:12,310
You know Charlie Leduff? 
I did a short interview with him

1785
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,370
and he asked me, you know, well,
do you know about this? 

1786
01:20:14,380 --> 01:20:16,870
You know about that? 
And I'm like, shit, man, No, you

1787
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,130
got me. 
I don't know. 

1788
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,930
I'm highly under qualified for 
what I want to do on that 

1789
01:20:20,940 --> 01:20:22,350
aspect. 
But let me tell you something 

1790
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:23,930
right here. 
Gretchen Whitmer knows this 

1791
01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:25,750
stuff. 
Dana Nessel knows this stuff. 

1792
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,670
Look at the job they're doing. 
I'm coming in with compassion 

1793
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,430
and heart for the people. 
And I'm telling you, George 

1794
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:33,620
Washington, then, you know, do 
the stuff he did. 

1795
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,390
Because we didn't have a system.
He's better than you people, you

1796
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:38,380
know. 
Was he? 

1797
01:20:38,650 --> 01:20:39,770
Oh, yeah, it was. 
Think about it. 

1798
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,330
When he took on the when he 
started fighting the French 

1799
01:20:42,340 --> 01:20:43,590
anyways, he. 
Was like 21 years old. 

1800
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:46,590
Get out of here. 
Do it, kids. 

1801
01:20:46,780 --> 01:20:49,710
But that's what they had to do. 
Here we are with adults, get 

1802
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,100
informed. 
And this is the thing that 

1803
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:53,630
people need to realise our 
system set up for the individual

1804
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,610
like you mad at, dude, I matter 
only because your Board of 

1805
01:20:56,620 --> 01:20:58,960
Commissioners, there's one 
that's local, you can go, you 

1806
01:20:58,970 --> 01:21:02,430
can get your issues heard, you 
can help vote on things and they

1807
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:04,790
actually listen to you. 
I help push the two-way 

1808
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,430
resolution here in Wexford, we 
got it past nine to zero, you 

1809
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:10,250
know, and that was before the 
rate. 

1810
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:12,990
I'm all about doing things the 
legal way I was beforehand. 

1811
01:21:13,650 --> 01:21:18,080
I was lied about and yeah, I 
probably. 

1812
01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:19,900
Drive a trail to get Nanny. 
I'm sorry, man. 

1813
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:22,150
I think that's all from the 
heart. 

1814
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,640
I think that's all real. 
What? 

1815
01:21:23,650 --> 01:21:27,240
About what about your employment
now you're, you know, you've had

1816
01:21:27,250 --> 01:21:29,050
this basically hanging over your
head for a couple of years. 

1817
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:30,050
You still have the federal 
thing. 

1818
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:32,640
They could kind of they would 
have to look at what happened 

1819
01:21:32,650 --> 01:21:34,340
and and decide whether they want
to play this game again. 

1820
01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:36,070
Maybe a federal jury is 
different, but it's in the same 

1821
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,720
state, so it would be the same 
types of people. 

1822
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:41,000
What what is that done for your 
life today? 

1823
01:21:41,010 --> 01:21:42,260
Like what are you doing? 
What are you? 

1824
01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:44,340
Working. 
You know, what's your plan? 

1825
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,400
Umm. 
So. 

1826
01:21:47,410 --> 01:21:51,410
Currently I'm not working. 
I have quite a few prospects and

1827
01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:56,330
I'm having issues being around 
like crowds of people or even a 

1828
01:21:56,340 --> 01:21:57,590
number of people. 
Right now. 

1829
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,120
I am seeking help for this. 
It's just from other people say,

1830
01:22:01,130 --> 01:22:03,310
well waiting for intake. 
They said it's PTSD. 

1831
01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:06,730
I don't throw that around 
lightly because like, that's a 

1832
01:22:06,740 --> 01:22:09,000
serious thing. 
But everything I said, they're 

1833
01:22:09,010 --> 01:22:11,090
like, dude, you're you, you need
some help for that. 

1834
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:15,090
So I'm hoping to get, you know, 
obviously get a job. 

1835
01:22:15,140 --> 01:22:19,580
I'm just worried about I I don't
even know what I'm. 

1836
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:21,920
Worried about? 
I don't know what I'm worried 

1837
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:23,580
about. 
It doesn't make sense. 

1838
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:27,850
Like I I sound fucking crazy. 
I feel crazy, but I'm just 

1839
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:29,160
trying to work through, man. 
I don't know. 

1840
01:22:29,170 --> 01:22:32,660
I'm at work and I'm trying. 
I'm trying to get a job and 

1841
01:22:32,670 --> 01:22:34,770
you're sitting right now in your
brother's gun shop, yeah. 

1842
01:22:35,730 --> 01:22:38,950
Yes, how's. 
Your family handle all this? 

1843
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,890
Well, they were affected. 
Too. 

1844
01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:47,720
You know what I mean? 
It wasn't just me that got 

1845
01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:50,420
affected by this. 
When we got raided, actually, 

1846
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:52,010
we're having a family get 
together. 

1847
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,490
So there was a whole bunch of 
us. 

1848
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,820
The feds pointed guns at my 
kids. 

1849
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:59,670
I'm talking little little kids. 
They put my mom in handcuffs 

1850
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:00,970
like all the adults in 
handcuffs. 

1851
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:03,350
They ruin stuff. 
There's a few things they did 

1852
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,150
that was really cool. 
They turned our food off and 

1853
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,250
actually wrapped up, put in the 
fridge for us. 

1854
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,560
They walked our pit mix out to 
her kennel instead of shooting 

1855
01:23:10,570 --> 01:23:12,000
her. 
You know, these are all worries 

1856
01:23:12,010 --> 01:23:14,400
that we we heard about when you 
when you get rated, they kill 

1857
01:23:14,410 --> 01:23:16,500
your dog. 
They didn't kill our dog and 

1858
01:23:16,510 --> 01:23:19,620
they were so grateful for that 
because we love our animals. 

1859
01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:22,290
But, you know, it was 
terrifying. 

1860
01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:25,740
So they have PTSD. 
There's been some experiences in

1861
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:29,920
our family previously. 
They had, you know, we've been 

1862
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:31,250
hurt. 
My family's been hurt. 

1863
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:33,140
This didn't help, man. 
Everybody's messed up. 

1864
01:23:33,150 --> 01:23:35,920
We're all working through it. 
I guess that's the short answer,

1865
01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:37,470
dude. 
We're all we're all affected. 

1866
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:39,530
We're all hurt. 
That makes sense to me. 

1867
01:23:40,050 --> 01:23:41,190
Where do you see this going, by 
the way? 

1868
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,200
I. 
Empathise with everything you 

1869
01:23:42,210 --> 01:23:44,570
just said. 
I've I've stood outside I've you

1870
01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:46,980
know made sure I was unarmed and
and been in a place where I 

1871
01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:49,330
could be easily accessed because
I have the same thoughts and and

1872
01:23:49,340 --> 01:23:51,220
that's a terrible feeling to 
think that your government may 

1873
01:23:51,230 --> 01:23:53,900
come for you when especially 
when you it's something you've 

1874
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:55,660
supported, when you when you're 
on the right side of it you 

1875
01:23:55,670 --> 01:23:58,680
think you doing the right thing 
and you know you're looking at 

1876
01:23:58,690 --> 01:24:00,250
your neighbours and like these 
are my allies. 

1877
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,420
It's not my enemies. 
And then your government looks 

1878
01:24:02,430 --> 01:24:04,840
at you like an enemy. 
It's very it's very hard. 

1879
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:06,100
It's exhausting, too. 
I know. 

1880
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:07,580
I know exactly how tiring that 
is. 

1881
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:10,700
I really do. 
I'm not the enemy to a good 

1882
01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:12,940
government. 
Man, like, if if if you feel 

1883
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:15,820
like I'm an enemy, then you need
to look at yourself because I'm.

1884
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:17,920
I'm not doing anything for 
selfish reasons. 

1885
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:20,430
I have stock in the future. 
I have stock in something that 

1886
01:24:20,440 --> 01:24:22,620
I'll never be a part of just 
because I have kids. 

1887
01:24:22,730 --> 01:24:24,680
That's just got to get 
straightened out so that they 

1888
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:26,890
can have the same America that I
grew up believing in. 

1889
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:29,280
You know, even the America that 
I grew up believing in didn't 

1890
01:24:29,290 --> 01:24:31,560
exist then. 
It was, you know, behind the 

1891
01:24:31,570 --> 01:24:33,140
scenes. 
It was getting taken away then. 

1892
01:24:33,210 --> 01:24:36,720
But I at least got to live it, 
you know, live it for a little 

1893
01:24:36,730 --> 01:24:38,500
bit, man. 
And I remember, like I said, my 

1894
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:41,710
childhood was awesome. 
I would like that for everybody.

1895
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:43,790
But I don't see that with the 
way that things are going. 

1896
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,090
You know, you talked about a war
on words, right? 

1897
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:48,170
Or Or, you know, they said 
entrapment. 

1898
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,970
But entrapment for a layman is 
different than entrapment. 

1899
01:24:50,980 --> 01:24:54,010
So they they told the jury how 
to think. 

1900
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,900
So, you know, here's 1984, dude,
right in our face. 

1901
01:24:57,570 --> 01:25:01,540
Here's, here's a word, here's 
what I think it is, and then you

1902
01:25:01,550 --> 01:25:03,300
tell me Nope, this is what it 
actually means. 

1903
01:25:03,310 --> 01:25:04,710
And I can't think about it any 
other way. 

1904
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,680
You've just rewritten my brain. 
And yes, now I see you as 

1905
01:25:07,690 --> 01:25:08,960
guilty. 
Because I have to. 

1906
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,530
This was insane. 
There would the war on words. 

1907
01:25:13,540 --> 01:25:16,800
Governor Whitmer came out on 
October 9th, two days after our 

1908
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:19,770
raid, and said they're not 
militias, they're domestic 

1909
01:25:19,780 --> 01:25:21,470
extremists. 
Words matter. 

1910
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:25,170
First of all, no group was taken
down as a domestic terrorist 

1911
01:25:25,180 --> 01:25:26,690
group. 
They were only individuals. 

1912
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:29,450
So even The Wolverine Watchmen, 
who I was never part of, did not

1913
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:32,410
know the group was not domestic 
terrorist. 

1914
01:25:32,420 --> 01:25:34,510
There are some people in it. 
There are domestic terrorist. 

1915
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,690
So here is your governor of 
Michigan. 

1916
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:39,260
Listen up. 
Your governor telling you that 

1917
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:42,780
you're not a militia, you are a 
domestic terrorism, domestic 

1918
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:44,760
terrorist. 
She did not qualify any of that.

1919
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:46,340
You just hired domestic 
terrorist. 

1920
01:25:46,350 --> 01:25:51,200
Her words. 
What's the name Mr Olson there? 

1921
01:25:51,210 --> 01:25:53,910
The prosecutor. 
When William Noll was on the 

1922
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,890
stand, he looked right at me and
said patriot, isn't that a code 

1923
01:25:56,900 --> 01:26:01,110
word in your in your movement? 
So if you consider yourself a 

1924
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,790
patriot, if you're a part of a 
militia, if you are in American 

1925
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,710
and consider yourself an 
American, you are a threat to 

1926
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,430
them. 
That should tell you something. 

1927
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:10,970
I'm not. 
This is not a call to action. 

1928
01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:12,050
I'm telling you wake the fuck 
up. 

1929
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:14,710
It's already been time. 
They were like be aware these 

1930
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,310
people are coming after you 
little bit by little bit. 

1931
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,130
Slippery slope laws and rules, 
they are coming into effect. 

1932
01:26:20,140 --> 01:26:23,180
We actually have a red flag law 
in Michigan now, which was one 

1933
01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:25,170
of the first things I did with 
the militia group was go to 

1934
01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:27,170
Lansing. 
This was a long time ago when we

1935
01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:30,010
talked to representatives and 
all of them really know what red

1936
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:31,430
flag law is. 
Well, here we are. 

1937
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,810
May of this year they came with 
red flag laws. 

1938
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:36,980
Some Donald Trump even said I'm 
a big fan of take the guns first

1939
01:26:36,990 --> 01:26:39,360
then do process later, do that. 
Such an oxymoron. 

1940
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:42,050
You cannot have due process. 
If you've already skipped due 

1941
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:47,360
process, you cannot do that. 
And we have this in Michigan. 

1942
01:26:47,690 --> 01:26:51,250
Yeah, I'm scared, dude. 
I don't blame you. 

1943
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,430
You saw the the trailer. 
We'll play it. 

1944
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:55,730
At the end of this, the trailer 
for Police State, the new film 

1945
01:26:55,740 --> 01:26:57,970
that Dinesh Desouza has put out,
that we consulted on, me and 

1946
01:26:57,980 --> 01:27:00,110
Steve Friend. 
When you saw that, what did you 

1947
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,160
think? 
That was one of the things we 

1948
01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:02,660
did before we got on here, 
started talking. 

1949
01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:07,660
If I was hooked up to a heart. 
Machine, dude, you this. 

1950
01:27:07,710 --> 01:27:09,540
My heart was out out of my 
chest. 

1951
01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:11,640
I could feel. 
I could feel my neck throbbing. 

1952
01:27:11,650 --> 01:27:13,360
My palms got sweaty. 
That was scary. 

1953
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:16,260
That was scary to watch because 
it's a movie, right? 

1954
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:19,000
But no, I saw that shit. 
Like I was there. 

1955
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:20,900
Oh my gosh. 
It just seemed real when I 

1956
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:22,340
watched it. 
I was like, what the fuck? 

1957
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,970
That's scary. 
Thank you for bringing this up. 

1958
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:28,010
You think they overdid? 
It do you think they over is 

1959
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:30,360
that, is that how it looks? 
Is that how it feels? 

1960
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:33,830
If anything, you guys may have 
underplayed it. 

1961
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,970
Well, you have to see how it 
actually looks when it when it 

1962
01:27:35,980 --> 01:27:39,330
goes. 
I think it was just the trailer,

1963
01:27:39,340 --> 01:27:42,130
but I I like it already, ma'am, 
I'm going to be one of the first

1964
01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:43,870
people to go see it. 
If it comes to Cadillac, I'm 

1965
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,430
watching it. 
Yeah, take your take a take a 

1966
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:48,360
chill pill before you get in. 
There, Take a deep breath. 

1967
01:27:48,370 --> 01:27:50,210
Make sure you focus yourself, 
because it's it's kind of 

1968
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:50,950
intense. 
It's intense. 

1969
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,470
And I was there. 
So there needs to be. 

1970
01:27:55,410 --> 01:27:57,320
Yeah, what what's your advice to
people? 

1971
01:27:57,330 --> 01:27:58,780
Is that you said? 
People should already be awake 

1972
01:27:58,790 --> 01:28:00,120
right now. 
What do you think this goes 

1973
01:28:00,130 --> 01:28:01,520
like? 
This is America. 

1974
01:28:01,530 --> 01:28:05,170
Come out of this. 
Oh yeah, we can still come out 

1975
01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:05,950
here. 
You kidding me? 

1976
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,680
Americans are resilient and we, 
we do have a culture and our 

1977
01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:12,050
American culture is fighting 
against tyranny. 

1978
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:15,550
So we may have lost culture for 
a long time now it's because we 

1979
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,430
haven't had to fight back, you 
know. 

1980
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,570
But we have a common a common 
enemy and we have the right way 

1981
01:28:20,580 --> 01:28:22,290
to do. 
Our system is still in play. 

1982
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:24,770
The reason that everything is 
what the way it has is because 

1983
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,060
the loud people, the left that 
you know that they're the ones 

1984
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:29,590
that are loud. 
They're they're the ones coming 

1985
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,810
out and saying stuff. 
Conservatives, by definition, 

1986
01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:34,810
we're quiet as hell. 
We sit back and just leave us 

1987
01:28:34,820 --> 01:28:36,300
alone. 
They won't get in your way, you 

1988
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:37,610
know. 
Well, that doesn't affect us. 

1989
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:39,890
But we need to do is start 
stepping up, use the system 

1990
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:42,110
that's in place, your Board of 
Commissioners, and work out from

1991
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:43,710
there. 
So it was super easy. 

1992
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,970
Call, write, email your 
representatives. 

1993
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,860
You don't have to do anything. 
Majority of the times we have 

1994
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:52,170
things like the Convention of 
States of grassroots, army. 

1995
01:28:52,220 --> 01:28:54,150
We have all sorts of stuff that 
have templates. 

1996
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,440
All you need to do is put your 
name on there and write a short 

1997
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:58,810
thing that personalises it. 
Everything else already filled 

1998
01:28:58,820 --> 01:29:00,890
out and they will send it to the
right people for you. 

1999
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,430
There's no excuse anymore. 
You don't even have to make the 

2000
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,030
phone call, but I wish you 
would. 

2001
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,110
There's three things. 
I'll write an email. 

2002
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,710
It's so easy. 
And that's how you get your 

2003
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,070
voice heard If we actually come 
together like we're supposed to,

2004
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,210
using the system how we're 
supposed to, they cannot deny us

2005
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,470
now. 
Anytime you want to start 

2006
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:19,410
talking stupid shit, talk about 
we need to be violent, you're 

2007
01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:22,230
going to get shot the fuck down.
I'm not saying there's not a 

2008
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,770
place for training in that 
because you should be prepared. 

2009
01:29:24,820 --> 01:29:26,810
It's stupid not be prepared. 
The government even has 

2010
01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:30,050
contingency plans for like, 
alien invasions and zombie 

2011
01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:30,790
hordes. 
No joke. 

2012
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,380
This is real shit. 
Look it up. 

2013
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:36,130
So why should we not have a 
contingency plan as civilians, 

2014
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:40,400
You know, for a terroristic 
government, whether our own or 

2015
01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:43,200
foreign, you know, and we get 
involved. 

2016
01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:44,880
You don't have to be a part of a
militia man. 

2017
01:29:44,930 --> 01:29:48,340
Just use your system while we 
still got it, because we do. 

2018
01:29:48,410 --> 01:29:50,270
But for how much longer? 
Get involved. 

2019
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,890
Look around, man. 
I don't know. 

2020
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:54,330
That's what I got to get 
involved. 

2021
01:29:54,340 --> 01:29:57,640
Stay involved. 
Words I noticed you didn't say 

2022
01:29:57,650 --> 01:29:59,050
anything about. 
Get wild blow. 

2023
01:29:59,060 --> 01:30:00,560
Anything up or take out 
anybody's boat. 

2024
01:30:00,570 --> 01:30:03,050
So I do appreciate you coming on
and kind of bearing your heart a

2025
01:30:03,060 --> 01:30:04,800
little bit. 
I know it was a I know it's 

2026
01:30:04,810 --> 01:30:06,790
uncomfortable to talk about a 
lot of these things and there's 

2027
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,660
a there's a trust factor there. 
I appreciate you trusting me 

2028
01:30:08,670 --> 01:30:12,460
with your story and we will make
it available also your attorneys

2029
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:14,700
could have it too if they want a
copy of it just in case anybody 

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01:30:14,710 --> 01:30:17,730
wants to to to claim we'll we'll
show the the full thing that's 

2031
01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:19,910
we're not into cutting things 
deceptively that's not the way 

2032
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,870
that we work over here but I do 
appreciate it there. 

2033
01:30:22,210 --> 01:30:23,760
Thanks for having a chat with 
me. 

2034
01:30:23,770 --> 01:30:26,930
I hope you have a great rest of 
your week and you know if you 

2035
01:30:26,940 --> 01:30:27,980
want to come back on to talk 
again. 

2036
01:30:28,050 --> 01:30:29,190
As things move forward, let me 
know. 

2037
01:30:30,170 --> 01:30:31,520
Alright. 
Thanks for your patience man. 

2038
01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:33,140
I appreciate it. 
Absolutely. 

2039
01:30:33,150 --> 01:30:37,170
Thanks so much. 
Alright. 

2040
01:30:37,180 --> 01:30:39,570
You have been listening to the 
Kyle Seraphin. 

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Show We stream from Liberty 
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That's where our live chat 
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fast you might even have to go 
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are happening, right? 
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There's not that much daylight 
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And they are definitely pushing 

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We'll get a check for it and 
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So if you're planning on buying 
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Use our promo code instead of 
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Support the Kyle, Sarah and Show
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We're gonna just forgo the Five 
Star today. 

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We'll grab you another one 
tomorrow. 

2084
01:32:20,170 --> 01:32:23,820
You can hang in there and see 
Steve Fran hosting Friendly 

2085
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:25,620
Friday. 
He's gonna be doing the Friendly

2086
01:32:25,630 --> 01:32:29,760
Friday guest routine because I 
am on my way to Las Vegas, NV, 

2087
01:32:29,930 --> 01:32:31,660
one of my least favourite places
in America. 

2088
01:32:31,670 --> 01:32:34,980
But I'm doing it for you so that
we can stream this premiere of 

2089
01:32:34,990 --> 01:32:36,760
Police State. 
Thanks so much for joining us 

2090
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:39,120
today. 
Really all of you that are out 

2091
01:32:39,130 --> 01:32:40,700
there experiencing the police 
state. 

2092
01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:43,460
This is only safe when you get 
to know who your neighbours are 

2093
01:32:43,470 --> 01:32:45,590
if your eyes are open. 
If you're aware and you start 

2094
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,120
telling your elected 
representatives exactly what you

2095
01:32:48,130 --> 01:32:52,280
would expect, do not. 
Keep authorising and funding 

2096
01:32:52,290 --> 01:32:53,090
this stuff. 
We'll see. 

2097
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:56,210
We got a new speaker, so maybe 
things get better. 

2098
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,190
Maybe they don't. 
You know, I'm still gonna hold 

2099
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,030
on to my no one for speaker. 
That's what I think the right 

2100
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,750
answer is. 
Time will tell, ladies and 

2101
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,770
gentlemen, and God bless you. 
We will see you again tomorrow. 

2102
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:08,710
Thanks for listening to The Kyle
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