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Take a look. 
Behind the curtain, with a real 

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whistleblower, an American 
patriot, prepare to embrace the 

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uncomfortable truth because this
program has no time for 

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comforting lies. 
Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Serafin. 
Hello, my friends, and welcome 

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to the Kyle Serafin Show. 
It's Friday. 

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It is Friday. 
It's Friendly Friday, and it is 

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October the 6th. 
We are going to be rolling today

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with not one Steve but two 
Steves. 

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And to make that even more 
complicated, they suggested 

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being called Real Steve and 
something else. 

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We're just going to call them by
their last name so that we don't

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lose our minds. 
Folks, I'm going to have Steve 

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Baker. 
I'm going to have Steve Friend 

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on in just one second here. 
And we're going to be talking 

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January 6th. 
We're going to be talking about 

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how the feds are just kind of 
pulling the wool over people's 

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eyes. 
But it is not working. 

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There are some large holes in 
this story. 

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January 6th stuff and more 
coming up in just a few seconds 

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here. 
Let's say thanks to our sponsor 

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real quick and I want to say 
thanks to we may get them all 

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out out right up in front. 
So let's say thanks to Catholic 

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vote. 
Here they are Catholic vote. 

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You guys know that I get this 
e-mail from them. 

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They've actually got a great 
thing, a channel called edify. 

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You can you can look them up on 
YouTube, EDIFY edify and you can

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check out. 
They have a great video right 

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now about if you're a dad and 
you take your kids to church, 

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that is the highest predictor of
your children staying in church 

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when they're adults. 
I think that's actually 

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worthwhile. 
If you want to get into the 

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fight for faith, family and 
freedom, then you should check 

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out what Catholic vote is up to.
It doesn't matter if you're 

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Catholic in particular. 
You may follow a a different, a 

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different denomination and you 
will still get plenty of value 

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because they put out on an 
e-mail called The Loop. 

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And the Loop. 
Today it's talking about 

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Republicans backing Jim Jordan. 
I don't know about all that. 

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They're talking about Biden 
saying that border walls won't 

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work, but they will work, but 
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And we don't know who's in 
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They're having some problems. 
We've got a British leader 

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pushing back against the L, GB, 
TQIA plus, minus, ampersand, and

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so on agenda. 
That's all good stuff. 

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Abortion in the military? 
Is it vital to national 

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security? 
John Kirby's going on the line 

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for that. 
Again, whole bunch of good stuff

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over on the loop to check them 
out. 

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As you can see on their web 
page, you just punch in your 

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e-mail address and you'll get 
it. 

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It's really worth your time. 
They're not going to spam you. 

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You just get useful emails that 
tell you about what's happening 

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in the world. 
And speaking about what's 

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happening in the world. 
Let's bring on my two guys, 

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Friend and Baker, the two 
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Hello, gentlemen. 
Good morning. 

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Good morning. 
So you've established what 

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you're going to call us. 
What do we call you? 

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I just go by Kyle. 
People used to call me that. 

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And then if they're rowdy, then 
like any number of profanities 

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are usually appropriate as well.
I should have said to your face.

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I've looked the director of the 
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so I think that we should just 
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Unfortunately I I. 
I'm included in that, that 

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group. 
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The FBI director may know who 
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You've got some fun stuff. 
We're going to get all into that

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story. 
And for those of you who are 

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wondering, does the microphone 
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I just told Baker that is not 
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He's working right off those ear
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still sounds like a reedy bassie
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I just want to say thanks to Eve
TX who just became a monthly 

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supporter of the channel. 
If you guys want to do that, you

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can follow the channel. 
We just hit 14,000 followers on 

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our Rumble channel. 
So really appreciative of you 

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guys following us on the video 
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And if you hit the follower 
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different color and it gives you
an opportunity to subscribe. 

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I think it's like 5 bucks a 
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You can support the channel that
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lights going on here. 
We actually have lights here. 

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Look at Steve. 
Check this out. 

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Steve's, we can turn the lights 
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This is what happens when you 
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channel. 
We keep those lights on. 

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That's that's what you want. 
So let's let's talk about it. 

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You started working with the 
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to kind of as much as you want 
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hear how that kind of came 
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Yeah, actually the all week I 
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Blaze studios and I did all my 
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yesterday. 
So I relocated to my super 

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secret to Louisiana underground 
bunker last night in the middle 

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of the night. 
So that's why my voice is down 

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here. 
It's because I haven't slept 

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yet. 
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much this week at all. 
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story that we broke, it's been 
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right, get it out. 
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couple of months or a little bit
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I did receive a phone call from 
Blaze and they had been tracking

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my work. 
Some people had had turned them 

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on to what I've been working on 
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time, not just January 6th, 
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And then one day I get a call 
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and. 
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And he just introduced himself 
and said hey, you've been on a 

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radar screen for a while or read
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talk about you may be coming on 
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know, writer. 
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few weeks of of discussion about
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get an e-mail address from them 
and you know, here I here we go.

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That's outstanding. 
Now that's really good and and 

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I'm happy to see them picking up
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I've enjoyed it since since we 
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a lot of fans down here in my 
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same thing, so thanks for what 
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How? 
Thank you. 

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Do you want to tell people how 
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in and getting into the January 
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there, but like what is what has
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just keep following that dog 
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Well the the first thing is, 
yeah, I I was there and there 

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were things that I saw that I 
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accurately. 
And I and I don't go I'm not one

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of those guys that goes down 
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You know, I I, I'm absolutely a 
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I saw bad people doing bad 
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And I, you know, and I saw, I 
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things. 
I saw stupid people, you know, 

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that were probably otherwise 
good people that got caught up 

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in the moment, did some pretty 
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And then when I came back home 
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video, not, not anybody else's 
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I started seeing things that 
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right, We got bad people, got 
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We got stupid people. 
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And so I I couldn't help but 
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Chase some of these things. 
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all right, so there were some 
interesting and maybe otherwise 

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colorful unidentified characters
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But were they bad people? 
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Are they doing nefarious things?
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follow those rabbits. 
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about eight months later, I get 
a call from the FBI and they 

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want to talk to me. 
And really and truly, there's no

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other way to say it. 
They weaponized me against them 

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when they did that. 
Because if you're going to come 

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after me, well, then I'm going 
to go after you as well. 

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And that's just kind of always 
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And that's what. 
That's exactly what happened 

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when they finally decided that 
they were going to charge me 

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with crime there. 
And they they still haven't. 

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This was in. 
November of 21, I received or my

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attorney received an e-mail from
Assistant US Attorney Anita Eve 

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out of Philadelphia saying to my
attorney that your client is 

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going to be charged within the 
week, that client being me. 

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And so that was a week before 
Thanksgiving of 21 and we went 

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on a media press offensive at 
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And I think, I think we backed 
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I mean, I know you guys are a 
big fan of taking it straight to

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them, and so that was just pure 
instinct on my part. 

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I had. 
I didn't know either one of you 

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guys yet, and so I I I went at 
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We've made a big publicity 
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the only thing I can think of is
that Anita Eve took my file and 

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put it to the bottom of her 
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But twenty months later, you 
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of a sudden as we were getting 
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story. 
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my sources at DOJ that they were
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were scared of what I was coming
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And then all of a sudden I get a
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wanting all my January 6 videos 
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And this is something that I had
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twice in long before that, so. 
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So they really, they really 
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didn't have otherwise. 
I had curiosity, I had interest 

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and I was writing stories and I 
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But when they came after me, I 
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know, it's also funny. 
And I didn't realize the 

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timeline on this, but about the 
same probably the exact same 

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time they said they were going 
to charge you is the exact same 

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time that I was deciding that 
I'm not putting things up my 

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nose for the FBI and probably 
about to break up. 

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You know, you have that moment 
when you're in a relationship 

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that's toxic and you just 
suddenly know where that the 

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threshold is. 
That's where my threshold was 

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too. 
I got kicked out of the office 

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in the on November 23rd of 2021.
So literally the same week that 

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you had that I'd already gone to
Congress and all these kind of 

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things. 
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think the stars align. 
I think that God puts us in the 

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place we're supposed to be. 
We meet the people we're 

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supposed to. 
And the, you know, the timing of

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this thing I don't think is 
accidental. 

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I think that it has put all of 
us mentally in the right place. 

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Steve friend. 
And you're sitting over there 

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kind of quietly watching that. 
I'm going to have to get better 

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at that, aren't I? 
You're sitting over there, you, 

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you've seen this from the 
outside. 

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You know, you've been watching 
some of this development. 

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Obviously you were involved in 
it too. 

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What was your timeline? 
Did your timeline line up at all

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with any of the Steve stuff? 
I'm just kind of curious if we 

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have any kind of overlaps here. 
I think that around the same 

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time as you guys, that was when 
I got to my realization that my 

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days with the FBI were likely 
numbered because of the The 

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vaccine mandate came out and my 
wife and I had discussion and we

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were adamant that I wasn't going
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None of us and our family were 
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That's when they started coming 
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I don't know the database that 
they were collecting of our 

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requests for reasonable 
combination and it kept changing

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every couple of hours. 
And I was like, it's a registry,

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they're just gonna get a target 
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And that's really when I was 
like, okay. 

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Either my days are numbered or 
I'm just going to be KMA as an 

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agent. 
And I'm only in for seven years,

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so I've got another decade and I
have to go so, so Baker KMA is 

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Bureau code for Kiss My Ass. 
It means you no longer care 

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about doing your job. 
You just show up and get a 

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paycheck. 
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a paycheck. 
Only kind of funny stuff. 

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I I totally understand that 
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So we all ended up this look and
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stories I'm going to have pop up
on here. 

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I think they're actually, 
they're not specifically related

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to what you've been uncovering, 
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picture and we always try to 
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context. 
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down what you've been exposing 
in the last couple days here. 

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You spent probably dozens and 
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staring at videotape. 
When we talked last, you said I 

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know exactly what I'm looking 
for. 

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I know exactly what I'm going 
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videos and maybe tell people 
what you went in looking for and

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then let them know how it how it
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Well, it actually all began a 
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during the first month, full 
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the first upkeepers trial 
October of last year And there 

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were two major incidences and 
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as I can but in on October 3rd, 
a year ago this event happened 

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in the courtroom that really. 
Set my radar pinging and and 

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what what it was was the lead US
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He came and approached the bench
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Judge made-up that there was a 
rogue attorney that was about to

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release a couple of documents 
that were still under court seal

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and that this was highly, you 
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favorable and that we needed to 
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warning to this guy and. 
Those documents you guys will 

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appreciate that were two FBI3O 
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know it's just the written 
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of the IT was not the recording.
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it's the the statement by the 
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the person being interviewed 
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And this particular person was 
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is basically known as the hero 
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Harry Dunn is the big 67300 
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portrayed by the media and he 
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Congressional medal. 
He's been awarded a Presidential

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Medal medal. 
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here at the end of this month. 
So there's been a lot of rewards

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and accolades and. 
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Capitol police officers, he's 
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blanche to have media and press 
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He's been able to say whatever 
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else is under a, you know, gag 
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So he's obviously been treated 
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else on that department. 
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groundwork for where this is 
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day and what got my radar going,
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media. 
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the cameras down to the media 
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first floor of the of the 
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And he'd instructed the media to
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particular attorney and tell him
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those 30 twos, he'd have his ass
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court and and and the judge was 
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required to do something. 
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from the bench unofficially that
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Wasn't, you know, obviously it 
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Sure, he can't. 
He can't order the media to do 

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anything, but he wasn't in a 
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He's sitting in a position of 
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He also knows that the press 
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media, and there's 25 of them 
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that, in that room, they know 
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The judge certainly knows that 
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people for the agenda for the 
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the ages we see it today and so 
he he gave his instruction and 

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they kind of giggled about it. 
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themselves and then they 
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went went at it you know the the
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and people tweeted out on their 
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Been warned Mr. Mosley, the 
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out those three or twos. 
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So obviously when that happened 
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room, in the media room so I 
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was doing. 
The half of my story was 

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covering them, and so I. 
Immediately are like okay, Well,

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I gotta know what's in those 
documents, right? 

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So I went through everything 
that I had to go through to 

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eventually acquire them and 
learned that what was in those 

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documents were contradictory 
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In the first one, the officer 
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agents interviewing him a 
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And a good and helpful encounter
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lined up in front of him and 
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put a wall up between him and 
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protesters that day in the 
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And then that was in May of 21 
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then his second interview was in
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They actually replaced the 
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other agents in for the second 
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And then when he went through 
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flipped the story around 180 
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contentious interaction with 
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And then in addition to the 
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remembrance of this event, they 
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that they could kind of say 
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something else happening in 
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and I obviously I can't get into
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Explicit details about these 30 
twos because they're still under

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court seal and I don't want to 
you know I don't want to spend 5

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months and and no no, certainly 
not. 

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What I want to do is have Steve 
Friend kind of elaborate. 

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Everyone is becoming experts on 
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bizarre. 
We have people that are in 

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Congress talking about, you 
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nobody would ever know about if 
it wasn't for Hunter Biden being

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Hunter Biden. 
And nobody would know what a 302

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is unless there was a million 
sort of aggressive court cases 

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coming after people that seem 
really unjust. 

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Steve, we give people some 
background on what that form is,

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how it's done, how you did 
yours, how other agents doing 

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that kind of thing. 
Yeah, an FD302 is Federal 

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document 302. 
It's a contemporaneous 

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recollection of from the from 
the agent. 

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It's basically like a police 
report and you use it to 

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document an interview that you 
do or even an arrest that you 

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do, and when you go into the FBI
software system, which is called

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Sentinel. 
You can auto populate even the 

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language to do the introduction 
to it. 

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So you could just click a couple
of things so it kind of gets the

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idea of what the nature of your 
302 is and it'll say you know on

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such and such a date. 
Special agent friend interviewed

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so and so at certain location 
after advising him of his 

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rights. 
Here is what this this 

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individual provided and then it 
would just be a summary of this 

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interview and and you have five 
days to to document it by 

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policy. 
So if I interview somebody on 

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Monday, as long as it's in by 
Friday. 

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That is considered kosher. 
And the and the the problem is 

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that there's actually no 
requirement to audio record. 

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I mean I I made a habit of doing
that because I wanted to make 

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sure that I protected the person
and protected myself and make 

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sure that everything was 
accurate. 

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But as as James Comey 
recollected when he had his 

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meeting with. 
Donald Trump or president-elect 

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Donald Trump, he just documented
everything from the meeting and 

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then put it into a 302 
contemporaneously and then that 

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was used to push out the other 
Russia collusion hoax. 

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Steve, you're reporting on all 
the stuff. 

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Would it surprise you that most 
FBI interviews are not recorded 

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unless they are done in a very 
specific room with a very 

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specific set of microphones 
wired in? 

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It would not it would not 
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mean that gives you a lot of 
wiggle room. 

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There's there's that running 
joke. 

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I think Bill Burr does it where 
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transcript and you could read it
differently and it'd be the same

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exact words, you know, or it's 
or my my favorite movie of all 

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time is my cousin Vinny and 
where the sheriff is 

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interviewing the guys in the 
beginning and he's like, when 

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did you shoot the clerk? 
And he's like, I shot the clerk.

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I shot the clerk and then they 
go to court. 

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He goes, I shot the clerk, I 
shot the clerk and when he reads

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the transcript out. 
So there's a lot that gets lost 

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in translation if you don't have
the audio. 

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And and obviously if the FBI is 
no longer worried with the 

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process, which Bill Shipley has 
said, it should be the victory 

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itself. 
The process is victory. 

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But if you're worried about the 
wins and loss column, then then 

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you ain't cheating. 
You ain't trying gross, Steve 

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Baker. 
Does it surprise you that they 

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don't record most of these 
things? 

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I have a feeling they probably 
do. 

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I I mean, you guys know better 
than I do, I was told in my 

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interview, and fortunately I've 
only had to do one in my 

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lifetime. 
But I when I was told that I 

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could not record it myself, they
we actually had a a moment, a 

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real moment of contention 
because. 

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I was not going to do the 
interview unless I was allowed 

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to record it. 
They said, well, you can't. 

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And they started giving me all 
these reasons. 

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Well, you know, we're 
undercover, we can't, you know. 

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And I said, okay, I said, I know
it's going to be off. 

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Sorry, that's too much for us. 
Just take a breather right 

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there. 
I know they're definitely not 

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undercover. 
This goes back to the thing that

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that friend and I always talk 
about. 

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FBI agents have this mistaken 
belief because that everything 

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that they're working on says 
secret on the document that they

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are in fact secret agents. 
Just because you over classify 

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things does not make you a 
secret agent. 

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And you know, I've been, I've 
been chastised. 

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In fact, the FBI wrote it up in 
their critique of me that I was 

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exposing the identities of 
agents. 

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These are people who are 
publicly knocking on doors with 

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green cameras. 
And, you know, giving names and 

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credentials and are required to 
identify themselves the way 

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every police officer and every 
law enforcement does. 

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And they act like this is a 
problem. 

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I wanted to show you this, 
Baker. 

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This is, this is Kyle Serafin's 
recorder that I used while as an

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FBI agent. 
I bought it with Kyle Serafin's 

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money, which I earned for my for
my pay. 

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You know, this is something I 
thought was a tool I needed and 

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it is not common. 
It is absolutely not common. 

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And Steve can tell you, you can 
get a Polaris Razor scooter at 

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the end of the financial year, 
the fiscal year for the federal 

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government easier than you can 
get a new set of recorders for 

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the people that go out and 
conduct interviews. 

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We're, I mean it's a bass 
ackwards thing, but that's the 

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that's the government for you. 
It's actually less common than 

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you think to record it. 
Well, they actually, when we had

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our our disagreement at the 
beginning of the sit down, they 

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pointed up at the wall, you know
and they said that because there

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was an array of electronics in 
the wall. 

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So this is all being recorded? 
It's not gonna be available to 

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you anyway. 
Nope. 

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Somebody back there doesn't know
how to run that electronics I 

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promised. 
Somebody knows how to run it, 

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man. 
Then most people don't. 

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There's no training available to
make you to make the recording 

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room that has $1,000,000 worth 
of cameras and electronics to 

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work. 
Nobody knows how to do it. 

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And I told him, I said, look, I 
have no, I have no idea what 

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you're going to do with this. 
I mean, good Lord, tapes, 

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videos, everything are altered 
with regularity nowadays, and 

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especially with AI. 
And so I said no, I'd rather 

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have my own recording. 
And I and they said and I said I

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won't publish it, I won't. 
I'll, I'll told them I'll write 

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on your pad right now and I'll 
sign it. 

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This is 100. 
My my video recording or or 

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audio recording of this 
interview will be completely 

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100% off the record. 
It will never be used except 

453
00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:39,000
unless you guys. 
Present something like you said 

454
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,160
while ago Steve and you gave 
that example where where 

455
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,080
something can be easily 
misconstrued in writing and then

456
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,960
they they said no we're not 
doing it. 

457
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,200
And my my attorney looked at me 
and he said does that mean 

458
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,680
you're not going to do the the 
interview And I and I, I said no

459
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,440
I'm I'm going to do it. 
I just want to get this all on 

460
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,470
the record. 
It's so gross. 

461
00:21:58,710 --> 00:22:01,470
It's such a weird, it's such a 
weird idea that people who have 

462
00:22:01,470 --> 00:22:03,830
an expectation now with all the 
technology that exists between 

463
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:06,910
body cams and police recorders 
that are running dash cams and, 

464
00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:10,150
you know, recorded radio systems
that come in as as cops queue up

465
00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:13,350
and do stuff, that the FBI is 
still operating in the 1930s, 

466
00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:15,430
which is like, whatever I wrote 
is good, bro. 

467
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:17,230
Like, just trust me. 
Like I'm going to write down the

468
00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:19,270
right thing. 
It's so strange. 

469
00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,590
And I remember hearing it and 
people were really resistant to 

470
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:22,510
it. 
And initially, like, when you're

471
00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:24,070
at the Academy, you go like, oh,
yeah, of course. 

472
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:27,500
Of course. 
I'm honorable and what I write 

473
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,340
down is good. 
Why would I want to be recorded?

474
00:22:29,620 --> 00:22:31,540
And then the minute that you go 
out there and start conducting 

475
00:22:31,540 --> 00:22:33,980
interviews, one, your notes 
suck. 

476
00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:36,420
If you're really doing a good 
interview, as you well know, 

477
00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:38,900
it's much easier to just put a 
recorder down and refer to it 

478
00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:41,220
later and go, did I get that 
right or not? 

479
00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,460
Your notes are going to be 
inferior to an actual audio to 

480
00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:47,020
go back and listen through. 
I used to use exact quotes from 

481
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,860
people you know when I when I 
would quote them, I would want 

482
00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:51,340
to quote the exact words they 
did. 

483
00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:54,060
I would generate A transcript by
listening over and over and over

484
00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:56,760
and over the audio. 
You get that nuanced thing, you 

485
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,400
know, like every reporter has 
ever done as long as there's 

486
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,120
been tape, as like every single 
person who's serious in law 

487
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,280
enforcement would want to do. 
You go back and play back the 

488
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,720
tape and what does it say? 
What's the tapes? 

489
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,950
Let's go to the tape. 
They can't go to the tape in the

490
00:23:07,950 --> 00:23:09,230
FBI. 
They don't even pay for the 

491
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:10,150
recorder. 
It's bizarre. 

492
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:15,150
And my biggest problem is that I
I type at an alarming 20 words 

493
00:23:15,150 --> 00:23:17,150
per hour. 
You know that's a blazing speed.

494
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:18,830
Are you? 
Are you a hunting pecker? 

495
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:20,430
Are you like a finger poker? 
Oh God. 

496
00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:24,670
I graduated from high school. 
I'm a lot older than you guys. 

497
00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:28,070
I graduated from high school the
year before we ever had our 

498
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:30,480
first computer lab. 
So this was. 

499
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,600
I did take one semester of a 
typing class, but that was on a 

500
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,760
Were all the pretty girls in 
that class? 

501
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Is that how that used to work 
back then? 

502
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,320
Okay. 
Yeah, that's how it worked. 

503
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,800
And so it's like I'm in here. 
Yeah, And then and then, you 

504
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,520
know, I can't read my own 
writing, so I have to record 

505
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,200
things if I'm going to get it 
right. 

506
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,080
And so that was the first thing 
that happened. 

507
00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:58,810
In this trial was this episode 
with the 30 twos and I had to 

508
00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:01,610
know what was in them. 
Now you Fast forward to the end 

509
00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:05,090
of the month to October 31st, a 
year ago Halloween. 

510
00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:09,890
Then we had the testimonies that
day of that particular officer, 

511
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:12,930
Harry Dunn, that I mentioned 
earlier and then immediately 

512
00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:16,930
following him they the 
government brought in United 

513
00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:19,570
States Capitol Police Special 
Agent. 

514
00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:23,980
David Lazarus Now, I don't know 
really what you have to do in 

515
00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:27,660
the Capitol Police a world to 
get the designation of Special 

516
00:24:27,660 --> 00:24:30,940
Agent. 
But in his case he was dignitary

517
00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:36,220
protection and that was his job.
And as a matter of fact he held 

518
00:24:36,220 --> 00:24:39,860
the position of the chief of 
Nancy Pelosi's security detail. 

519
00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:44,180
So that was his job and he was 
in charge of her security and 

520
00:24:44,180 --> 00:24:48,300
her staff and. 
I know that they have other 

521
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:51,900
special agent designees within 
the United States Capitol Police

522
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:56,220
because they actually have 
liaisons between the FBI and and

523
00:24:56,220 --> 00:25:01,100
USCP and they they Capitol 
Police actually have people 

524
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:04,740
officing there in the Washington
field office of the FBI that 

525
00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:08,660
work for them. 
Yeah, you've been kind of 

526
00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:10,900
dealing with Capitol Police and 
other federal agencies for a 

527
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,270
little while now. 
You have an instinct about where

528
00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:16,110
Capitol Police rank in the 
hierarchy of capabilities and 

529
00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:17,510
respect for federal law 
enforcement. 

530
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:20,590
I'm just curious. 
Yeah, and and one of the one of 

531
00:25:20,590 --> 00:25:23,590
the reasons why I've been given 
as much access as I've been 

532
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:25,550
given as I've been very 
respectful to them. 

533
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:29,470
Yes, if you know what I mean. 
You had I've seen it and I think

534
00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:30,790
that's fair. 
I don't, I don't think anybody 

535
00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:34,910
needs to be you know Lampoon for
having any job you're out and 

536
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:36,790
and that is a job. 
It's a required job. 

537
00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:38,790
It needs to be done. 
But do you you have kind of a 

538
00:25:38,790 --> 00:25:41,110
sense? 
But I have said, I said. 

539
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,000
The the the the overriding 
perception is that they are 

540
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,440
glorified tour guides and most 
of them spend most of their 

541
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,080
career regardless of their 
training and regardless of what 

542
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,200
division of the Capitol Police. 
Then whether it's one of the 

543
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,360
more highly specialized 
divisions or not, they spend 

544
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,760
most of their career saying yes 
or the bathroom is that way. 

545
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080
That's correct, yeah, the 
security guards and and tour 

546
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,000
guides. 
And not to be disrespectful of 

547
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,560
them because that needs to be 
done in that building, there's 

548
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,560
no doubt about it. 
But they're not an investigative

549
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,320
agency. 
Nobody goes to them and go, hey,

550
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,640
we got this lead, can you run it
down, you know, And then they go

551
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,200
like, yeah, we're on it. 
Well, that's why Tara Reid 

552
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,320
couldn't really bring her 
allegation forward, because 

553
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,920
Capitol Police would have been 
responsible for investigating 

554
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,200
sexual assault. 
There's just not a lot of crime 

555
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,040
that takes place in that 
building. 

556
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,120
I think the building keeps 
people from doing it, just the 

557
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400
the location itself. 
Except, you know, except for a 

558
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,960
couple of famous days on the 
calendar. 

559
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,360
But that was most. 
Most of the time. 

560
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,400
You're absolutely correct. 
So when when David Lazarus was 

561
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,120
brought a Special Agent, David 
Lazarus was brought to the 

562
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,720
stand, he was there specifically
to validate, corroborate and to 

563
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,720
clean up the done 
inconsistencies between the 30 

564
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,720
twos. 
Because even though those 30 

565
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,240
twos were still not public, and 
they still aren't today, even 

566
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,640
though they've never been 
released from court seal. 

567
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:08,520
There was enough discussion in 
in the Harry Dunn Cross 

568
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,600
Examination by the defense 
attorneys to that were 

569
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,640
referencing the content of the 
three, oh twos and you know. 

570
00:27:17,490 --> 00:27:20,690
Officer done. 
We we we you know we honor and 

571
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:23,530
respect your service and and you
know we're not wanting we're not

572
00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:25,690
here to to belittle you in any 
way. 

573
00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:29,650
But there is a problem between 
your two interviews with the FBI

574
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:34,290
and your first one because there
was a the the actual House 

575
00:27:34,290 --> 00:27:38,890
Select Committee had released 
one paragraph from that first 

576
00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:40,970
FBI302. 
Actually they hadn't released it

577
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:43,530
but it was in there. 
It was in their documentation 

578
00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:46,890
that was made public and that 
was the recounting of it. 

579
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:49,290
Being a positive interaction 
with those outkeepers. 

580
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:52,250
And then of course, the second 
one completely flipped that on 

581
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,250
his head. 
And then the testimony 

582
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:58,250
subsequently supported his 
second, you know, FBI interview.

583
00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:02,050
And So what they needed to do is
they needed somebody with a 

584
00:28:02,050 --> 00:28:06,130
little bit more credibility in 
the department to come in and 

585
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:09,010
clean that up. 
And so they brought Agent 

586
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:12,650
Lazarus in, and he testified 
very simply. 

587
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:17,370
That he passed by the oathkeeper
Harry Dunn. 

588
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:20,970
Interaction there in the capital
three or four times. 

589
00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:23,610
That's the quote from the trial 
three or four times. 

590
00:28:24,290 --> 00:28:28,170
And then this was happening 
while he was rescuing, quote UN 

591
00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:33,090
quote, 11 or 12 of Pelosi's 
staffers out of a locked office.

592
00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:35,690
And he went into great detail 
about what he saw. 

593
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:39,290
And he said every single time 
that he passed that interaction 

594
00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:41,450
between the Oathkeepers and Dunn
that it was a. 

595
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,560
A highly contentious, 
antagonistic thing that was 

596
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560
happening between them. 
And that was basically why 

597
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Lazarus was brought in. 
And then I got access to the 

598
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,440
videos. 
All right. 

599
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,560
So before we get to that, let me
just let people know. 

600
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,200
There's some people that are 
just joining our stream right 

601
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,200
now. 
So it's kind of the fun thing 

602
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880
about doing a live show. 
So we're talking to Steve Baker,

603
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,000
who is the pragmatic 
Constitutionalist. 

604
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,840
You can find him on Twitter and 
you can find him on locals and 

605
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,640
you can see some of his 
independent reporting Now with 

606
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,800
The Blaze. 
We're also talking to Steve 

607
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,840
Friend. 
Just to make it more 

608
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,800
complicated, Double Steve Hour 
to Steve's in one show. 

609
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360
And Steve Friend is an FBI 
whistleblower and he is a author

610
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160
and he is a friend of mine that 
does our regular segment on 

611
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,200
Fridays called Friendly Friday. 
So he's kind of cohosting with 

612
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,760
me today and giving you guys 
some additional perspective on 

613
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,880
the way these things work. 
If you're just joining us and 

614
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,800
you haven't hit the like button 
on Rumble, please do that. 

615
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,160
And if you have seen it on 
Twitter, the other places, you 

616
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,840
can join us in the live chat on 
Rumble. 

617
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000
So we do appreciate all of you 
guys being part of all this. 

618
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,600
All right, Steve, I want to 
Steve friend, if you would, 

619
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,560
would you give some color on 
whether or not you've ever 

620
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
followed up with somebody who's 
given you a statement and then 

621
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,400
they wanted to amend their 302 
statement? 

622
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Is that common for you? 
Because I don't think I've ever 

623
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520
done it, but you've done a lot 
more interviews with this kind 

624
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,540
of stuff. 
I've done a few followups and it

625
00:29:56,540 --> 00:30:00,340
was normally when I got physical
evidence that contradicted their

626
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,380
first statement and I gave the 
man opportunity to confess to 

627
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:05,420
the crime. 
So I had a like an allegation of

628
00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:07,980
a sexual assault and the bad guy
said, look, I never touched her.

629
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:11,620
And then I got a DNA sample and 
lo and behold we found that his 

630
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:14,700
DNA on the victim. 
So take that physical evidence 

631
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,860
back to the suspect and say, hey
look, I've got physical evidence

632
00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:20,900
now do you want to amend what 
you said to me? 

633
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:22,780
Because I was hoping he would 
just give me a confession it 

634
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:24,730
would make. 
Prosecuting him that much 

635
00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:28,050
easier, but you know physical 
evidence should you would think 

636
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:30,370
be enough to to win a trial. 
But you always want to make the 

637
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:32,290
path easier and smoother if 
possible. 

638
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,570
All right? 
So it's something you could do, 

639
00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:36,050
but only when you find 
inconsistencies. 

640
00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,010
You ever done it to try to help 
somebody out and say, hey, 

641
00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:40,290
you're my friend, I really want 
to make this easier on you. 

642
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:41,930
I don't want your. 
I don't want your lies to be 

643
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:43,450
exposed. 
No, no. 

644
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:47,050
The the the premise of an 
interview is you want certain 

645
00:30:47,050 --> 00:30:48,330
information. 
You are. 

646
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:50,490
You're basically adversarial. 
You're not. 

647
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:51,930
You're not there because you're 
their buddy. 

648
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:53,250
I don't. 
I don't want to just have a 

649
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:55,690
conversation with any random 
person alleged of committing a 

650
00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:57,210
crime. 
I want them to confess to 

651
00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:59,090
committing that crime. 
There's something in it for me. 

652
00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:02,010
There's never a this is for your
benefit. 

653
00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:04,610
Now, look, that's a great and 
effective interrogation 

654
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:06,410
strategy. 
I used it all the time. 

655
00:31:06,410 --> 00:31:09,130
Hey man, it's really in your 
interest if you confess to me 

656
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:11,650
and if I lay out the case for 
why it's in your interest to 

657
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:14,380
confess to this crime. 
And it makes it more palatable 

658
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:17,820
to you then it's it's good, but 
it's good a good for me, not for

659
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:19,340
you. 
You're the one that winds up in 

660
00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:22,500
the the Gray bar in. 
Let me make let me make this 

661
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,140
scenario a little different for 
you though. 

662
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:28,980
Have you ever been given the 
opportunity to do a second 

663
00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:33,220
interview with with a potential 
defendant or whatever you want? 

664
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:38,020
However you refer to the refer 
to them, and it is specifically 

665
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:43,150
for the purpose of flipping the 
story. 180 degrees. 

666
00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:47,750
And oh, by the way, the 
interviewee, his attorney that's

667
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:53,230
sitting next to him is the guy 
that led the Clinton bimbo 

668
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:55,950
eruption team back in the early 
90s. 

669
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:59,590
See, now you've brought in the 
fact that this witness has no 

670
00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:02,870
credibility whatsoever. 
So I mean, you might want to 

671
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:05,590
actually do that so that you can
dismiss anything this person 

672
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,350
says. 
And and and start from Ground 

673
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:10,270
Zero to eliminate them from the 
equations. 

674
00:32:10,270 --> 00:32:12,870
Hey, look, he told me the sky 
was blue and the next time he 

675
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:14,590
told me this guy was red. 
Everything. 

676
00:32:14,590 --> 00:32:17,350
Ergo, we can't trust. 
It's almost like a Giglio issue.

677
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:19,950
You would have like, say an 
agent has a history of lying on 

678
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:21,910
stand. 
Ergo that the FBI is not going 

679
00:32:21,910 --> 00:32:25,910
to let him testify ever again. 
So that would be the only logic 

680
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:29,310
behind it disqualifying them. 
Yeah, as a disqualifier. 

681
00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:33,430
But again, like I'm operating 
from is this a objectively good 

682
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:35,830
organization. 
I think here it's clearly just 

683
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:37,990
to clean things up so that 
again, we're not focusing on the

684
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:40,190
process, we're focusing on the 
outcome. 

685
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,560
So Baker, I want to give you 
kind of the perspective here. 

686
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,120
We, we do a couple different 
types of of interviews. 

687
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,080
And I want to say thanks to what
was it, Mac buddy, that just 

688
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,560
threw that up there. 
Just saying true tellers out 

689
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,280
here, couple of other rumble 
rants coming in. 

690
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,080
We do appreciate it, guys. 
So go ahead and hit that like 

691
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080
button if you like it. 
So Baker, one of the things that

692
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,920
we do is we do what we call 
witness interviews. 

693
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Those are getting information 
about the actual thing that 

694
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,840
happened. 
We do subject interviews. 

695
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,840
That's the person we think did 
the thing that we're out there 

696
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,560
investigating. 
And then sometimes we'll do 

697
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,520
background interviews. 
It's like, oh, you work for this

698
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,800
agency. 
You work for this organization. 

699
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,960
You know, tell me about how your
organization works so that when 

700
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,440
we're laying out the case, we 
could say this is an 

701
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,160
organization that does this and 
this and this, and here's the 

702
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,200
three or two of the founder of 
it, and this is what they 

703
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,000
actually set out to do. 
But here's a guy that works 

704
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,920
there and he actually just likes
to touch kids and he's a bad 

705
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,200
dude. 
So that's why we're interested 

706
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,960
in him. 
And and then we go and we 

707
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,600
actually talked to the guy and 
said he said he didn't touch 

708
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,760
kids, but then we have all this 
evidence that said he did and 

709
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,320
then he recanted and then he 
confessed. 

710
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,600
So those kind of three layouts, 
background witness and then 

711
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,480
subject. 
We're talking about a witness 

712
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,760
interview here that basically 
either makes or breaks the case 

713
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,800
because the initial thing he did
was very exculpatory for the 

714
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,080
defendants, for the subjects of 
the investigation. 

715
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,800
And then he's flipped it on his 
head. 

716
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
And then you've got like a cover
witness that's come in and kind 

717
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,880
of like stitched up is what 
we're kind of laying out. 

718
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,320
So we've got Harry done, the 
gentle giant, enormous, you 

719
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,640
know, former football player who
says initially I'm very friendly

720
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,240
towards the oathkeepers. 
And they helped me out, and they

721
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,520
were. 
And that's an exculpatory 

722
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,440
situation. 
It's Brady material. 

723
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,000
The fact that it wasn't even 
over is grounds for an appeal. 

724
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:06,830
And then on top of that, you end
up having this guy David Lazarus

725
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:10,150
come in and he says, well, let 
me explain to you why this all 

726
00:34:10,150 --> 00:34:11,670
works. 
He's smoothing out the edges of 

727
00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,350
this like really ugly, sort of 
like frame up job that they're 

728
00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:16,070
trying to do, it sounds like. 
All right, talk. 

729
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:18,070
So does that catch us up pretty 
close? 

730
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:20,469
Yeah, that. 
That's I mean that that that 

731
00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:25,710
that kind of details it exactly 
and what what actually of course

732
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:28,909
happened as we've begun to do 
the end of the investigation 

733
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:31,989
into this. 
Is I am seeing what I believe 

734
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:34,310
and I'm I'm I'm announcing to 
the feds right now. 

735
00:34:34,429 --> 00:34:37,110
I I mean they're watching. 
They they love all three of us. 

736
00:34:37,150 --> 00:34:39,030
Yes, they do. 
We know we're here. 

737
00:34:39,949 --> 00:34:43,230
Yeah, I I like to say, hey, 
Agent Noyas, Agent Das. 

738
00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:48,110
See you guys again, I I give us 
a like, give us a like and leave

739
00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:49,949
a comment guys if you want to 
know. 

740
00:34:50,150 --> 00:34:53,989
I've sent them links to this 
investigation and now here's 

741
00:34:53,989 --> 00:34:55,350
what I'm doing, What are you 
doing? 

742
00:34:55,989 --> 00:35:02,210
And and So what I know. 
And what I'm putting together is

743
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:05,490
I'm going to show where these 
pieces of the puzzle connect. 

744
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:08,370
And I believe there's no other 
way to say it. 

745
00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:10,890
I, I, I it's a fun, it's a fun 
phrase to say. 

746
00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:14,530
But there was a star chamber put
together back in the middle of 

747
00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:18,050
summer of 2021, in which they 
had decided that they were going

748
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:20,860
to frame The Oathkeepers. 
And that they were going to make

749
00:35:20,860 --> 00:35:22,900
them the tip of the spear, the 
leading edge. 

750
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,620
In fact, they they in in 
Jeffrey, Assistant US Attorney 

751
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:29,700
Jeffrey Nesler's opening 
argument in that trial on day 

752
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,180
one, he pointed at those five 
defendants and he told the jury 

753
00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:37,060
these are the leaders of the 
insurrection. 

754
00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:41,100
And you know, ironically, not 
one of those guys was even on 

755
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,570
the property. 
When the Capitol, well, we know 

756
00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:46,970
that's how the leaders get done.
That's what Enrique Otario did 

757
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:49,050
too, right. 
So we of course they set, they 

758
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:52,170
set that the table and then they
just started serving out these 

759
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:54,290
these sentences and serving out 
these these dishes. 

760
00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:56,530
You know, revenge, it seems 
like. 

761
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:58,010
Yeah, a lot of that's exactly 
right. 

762
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,960
And so that's exactly what 
happened in this case. 

763
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,560
And I, we're putting together 
the names the places where. 

764
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,640
I mean, I'll tell you right now,
I've, I've literally engaged 

765
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
private investigators to help me
with this already. 

766
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,760
I'm I'm I'm telling you and I'm 
telling them that you can either

767
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,040
come to me and help me save this
Republic or we're going to bring

768
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,920
bring it to you and and how do 
they respond? 

769
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:27,460
I don't hear from them that 
checks, except when I get a 

770
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:31,740
grand jury supina for my videos,
Creator 64 says. 

771
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:33,420
And now Eric has started a 
bidding war here. 

772
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:35,860
People are throwing rumble rants
in, and they appreciate what 

773
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:40,140
you're saying, Mr. Baker. 
So when you go into an 

774
00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:42,140
investigation, Steve, you've 
done investigative plans. 

775
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:43,140
Do you want to kind of lay that 
out? 

776
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:46,020
And then I want to compare and 
see if Mr. Baker had the same 

777
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:48,500
sort of idea as laying out. 
Like, here's what I attempt to 

778
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,220
accomplish and then here's how 
I'm going to go about it. 

779
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:51,980
You want to tell people about an
investigative plan? 

780
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,840
Yeah, I mean you just you have 
this initial claim of a of a 

781
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,640
alleged crime and you just have 
to storyboard out the way you 

782
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,880
want to approach it. 
And and it is important the way 

783
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,880
you do that because you don't 
want to just go in and do things

784
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000
out of order sequentially. 
Like look if there's a a couple 

785
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,800
of bad guys who are looking at 
say it's a a gang that wants to 

786
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,480
rob a bank. 
Like you don't want to just go 

787
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,920
go on Monday and go talk to guy 
#1. 

788
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Because you know that then by 
the time Tuesday comes around 

789
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,120
like he'll have already talked 
to his his buddies and they're 

790
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,280
going to get their story 
straight. 

791
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,920
So you have to have a plan of 
attached. 

792
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,400
Back, for lack of a better term,
and you would get your 

793
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400
background, you would talk to 
your witnesses and then 

794
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520
eventually it all typically 
culminates within a suspect 

795
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,840
interview when you have the all 
as much information as possible 

796
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,680
that you can confront them with 
it in the hopes that they will 

797
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,800
come clear. 
OK, so that all makes sense at 

798
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,880
Mr. Baker, somebody's churning 
butter in the background for 

799
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,160
you, which is actually really 
funny for me. 

800
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,760
You got to make survival. 
I can't even hear it myself. 

801
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,160
It's OK. 
We got good years here. 

802
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,600
So, all right, What was your 
investigative plan? 

803
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,640
You had these 302 documents as 
you were sitting in the 

804
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,280
courtroom. 
You kind of understood what the 

805
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,480
game was looking like. 
And then how did you go about 

806
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,800
reviewing it? 
What was your order of work? 

807
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,240
What was your priorities as you 
tried to kind of piece through 

808
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,240
that? 
Yeah. 

809
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,840
The first thing, obviously was 
just instinct and watching body 

810
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,800
language in the courtroom. 
And I have identified several 

811
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,680
incidences during that trial and
I have them securely in my 

812
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,670
notes. 
Of when I saw what I felt like 

813
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:20,870
was a coordinated song and dance
between the government 

814
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:24,870
prosecutors and the judge. 
Obviously the judge is supposed 

815
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:27,910
to be independent of that, is 
not supposed to be coordinating,

816
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:30,470
not supposed to be collaborating
with the with the government on 

817
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:32,470
this. 
But I'm convinced beyond any 

818
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:37,950
shadow of a doubt of what I saw,
and I saw that coordination and 

819
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:43,340
so this really, you know, set. 
Set me alight and and I've been 

820
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:45,700
obsessed with this thing for a 
solid year. 

821
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:50,300
So in terms of process, it 
started with just instinct and 

822
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,460
then I had to do a couple of 
things that actually other 

823
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,820
journalists won't do and 
probably shouldn't do and maybe 

824
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:58,300
I shouldn't have done it. 
But I actually went and I 

825
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:02,620
approached one of the defense 
attorneys and I said I will sign

826
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:07,060
the damn court protective order.
I have to see these documents 

827
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:10,140
and that's a big risk because 
now. 

828
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,800
And he he, he was not happy or 
he wasn't going to allow me to 

829
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,520
do that. 
And I I pressured and pressured 

830
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,720
and pressured and I said I I 
can't help you if you don't help

831
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,240
me here. 
And so I finally was granted the

832
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,280
right to sign the the protective
order. 

833
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,800
And then once I signed it, I can
see the stuff can't write about 

834
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,880
it. 
I can't publish it. 

835
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,440
I can't, you know, I can refer 
to it just as to the extent is 

836
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,440
that it was referred to in the 
courtroom. 

837
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,600
So I have that much latitude, 
but because I signed that I have

838
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,760
to remember every single time I 
write an article. 

839
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:43,490
Did the okay is this video that 
I've seen under the protective 

840
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:45,130
order. 
Is this document that I've seen 

841
00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:48,650
in the protective order. 
And if I write about it then I'm

842
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:52,330
in contempt of court. 
But my curiosity, you know, 

843
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:54,770
overwhelmed me, as it were. 
And I put myself in this 

844
00:39:54,770 --> 00:40:00,130
position and and I I feel like 
that I had to do that in order 

845
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:04,350
to to get to where we are today.
Which ultimately led me to the 

846
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:08,990
place of being granted access to
the the that you know 41,000 

847
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:12,310
hours of video treasure trove at
at the Capitol. 

848
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:16,390
So I I don't think, I don't 
think I have an organized 

849
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:20,190
process like you know guys that 
have been schooled to do this 

850
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:21,710
and have come through the 
Academy. 

851
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:25,430
I've been operating off of pure 
instinct and I, you know I have 

852
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:28,070
we've talked about this before 
Kyle. 

853
00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:30,910
But, you know, I do have some 
background going back quite 

854
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:34,190
quite a few decades in terms of 
doing investigative things, but 

855
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:37,590
not in a formal, you know, 
federally trained sense. 

856
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:40,350
Sure. 
And and people, I would highly 

857
00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:42,190
encourage you to go back and 
look at our first interview that

858
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:45,510
we did with Mr. Baker here. 
And we went into Joe Rogan 

859
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:47,950
territory, going about 3 hours 
into the depth of it, cuz I've 

860
00:40:47,950 --> 00:40:50,830
found it fascinating and that's 
probably why we get along cuz 

861
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:55,020
we've had we have a lot of. 
A lot of camaraderie, I think, 

862
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:56,900
in this, but will you get people
kind of the bullet points? 

863
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,220
I know you did some really 
interesting work, sort of it 

864
00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:01,940
during the Cold War, and people 
might find that interesting. 

865
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:03,260
And I know your dad was an 
investigator. 

866
00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:05,260
So we can kind of kind of touch 
the wave tops on here. 

867
00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:07,140
Just kind of giving people like 
they've never heard of you 

868
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:09,220
before, like the credibility 
level of what we're talking 

869
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:10,660
about. 
You're not some random guy who 

870
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:12,900
just decided to show up and 
start digging into things and 

871
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,020
that got picked up by the Blaze.
That doesn't exactly happen that

872
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:19,060
way. 
Yeah, I had a a lifelong career 

873
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:21,220
in music. 
I I've been a music industry 

874
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:24,700
professional for 40 plus years. 
I'm, I'm a trumpet player, 

875
00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:27,140
singer. 
I've worked in the music 

876
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,740
business as a concert from. 
I've probably done over 1000 

877
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:33,020
shows as a promoter and then 
also had managed some major 

878
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:35,780
label artists during that time. 
But I was 19 years old. 

879
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:38,140
I hated college. 
I was playing trumpet. 

880
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:41,260
I got recruited by a band that 
was touring all over the world. 

881
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:46,340
Turns out that this band was a 
front group for a ministry 

882
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:49,300
organization that was supporting
dissidents behind the Iron 

883
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,940
Curtain. 
I and this I I joined this band.

884
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:54,780
I got a phone call on a Friday 
morning. 

885
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:59,300
They asked me if I could be in 
San Diego on Wednesday and and I

886
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:02,950
said yeah, can I have the 
weekend to think about it. 

887
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:04,670
Monday morning they sent me a 
plane ticket. 

888
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:08,310
Wednesday, I I I'm picked up by 
a tour bus in San Diego. 

889
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:11,550
I'm 19 years old. 
Two weeks later I'm sitting in a

890
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:16,030
recording studio in San 
Francisco recording the demo for

891
00:42:16,030 --> 00:42:20,310
what ended up being the theme 
song to the 1980 Summer Olympics

892
00:42:20,310 --> 00:42:24,550
in Moscow. 
So all of so I had. 

893
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:26,710
I had no idea what I parachuted 
into. 

894
00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:35,070
I can just as a as a, you know, 
naive 19 year old and then you 

895
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:37,550
know a year and a half later I'm
touring the Soviet Union. 

896
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:41,550
We're smuggling in printing 
press parts, tape, duplicating 

897
00:42:41,550 --> 00:42:43,950
machines. 
We're we're bringing in all 

898
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:45,550
kinds of equipment to these 
dissidents. 

899
00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:49,270
And then I started working for 
that organization independently 

900
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:52,430
and going into the Soviet Union 
by myself and setting up 

901
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:56,230
meetings for leadership between 
the underground dissidents and 

902
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:57,870
leadership coming in from the 
West. 

903
00:42:58,460 --> 00:43:02,460
And so while all of that was 
happening, my dad was a private 

904
00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:04,300
investigator. 
So whenever I was home from 

905
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:06,700
being on the road and from 
traveling, I would come home and

906
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:08,780
work for him. 
And of course, I got all of the,

907
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:10,700
you know, I got all the adultery
cases. 

908
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,260
So I had to sit and, you know, 
be in front of somebody's house 

909
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:16,580
for 12 hours. 
And just sat and watched. 

910
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:22,460
That's exactly what I did, you 
know, 100%, yeah. 

911
00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:24,700
And over and over and over 
again. 

912
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:27,300
That's right, the bottle. 
The bottles have never tool. 

913
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:30,130
Yeah, there's only there's only 
three things you need to do 

914
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:32,330
surveillance. 
You need you need a radio so you

915
00:43:32,330 --> 00:43:34,810
can talk to your guys. 
You need a pee bottle and you 

916
00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:36,530
need a cup of coffee. 
That's been my experience. 

917
00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:38,450
Those are the things. 
If you want to sit for eight 

918
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:41,370
hours and watch somebody, you 
need some caffeine, you need 

919
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:43,410
some optics, or you need a 
radio. 

920
00:43:43,410 --> 00:43:45,970
And then you also need that pee 
bottle which I would always put 

921
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:47,410
out. 
By the way Baker, I would always

922
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:49,730
put out my pee bottle whenever I
was showing. 

923
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:53,250
FBI executives like all the 
really critical gear we had for 

924
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:54,530
surveillance. 
I'd lay them out on the table 

925
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:57,170
and I'd always have, like a 
simply lemonade bottle sitting 

926
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:58,690
in the corner that I would never
explain. 

927
00:43:58,930 --> 00:44:02,050
I would just leave it there and 
my buddies would be like, do you

928
00:44:02,050 --> 00:44:03,730
leave your pee bottle out on the
table? 

929
00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:06,410
And I go, yeah, and they go, why
I go critical gear. 

930
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:09,050
They just want to see all the 
critical gear, one of the most 

931
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:11,410
critical pieces of gear for me. 
If you're sitting in a ghetto 

932
00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:14,050
where you're the only white guys
within like 6 square miles, you 

933
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:16,530
know you're the only guy there 
stepping out looking like this 

934
00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:18,960
is not a good move for for 
keeping your. 

935
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,640
As you will know, I I wanted to 
touch those weight tops mostly 

936
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,680
because you've dealt with some 
government agencies. 

937
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,960
We'll just leave it at that. 
You have a trained eye being in 

938
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,520
places that were questionable 
that we're doing some maybe high

939
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
high consequence, high gravity 
events that you were involved in

940
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,880
going through your youth. 
And so when you say I saw 

941
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,680
certain things and I was, you 
know, I keyed in on those, I 

942
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,800
want people to understand it's 
not like. 

943
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:46,330
You watched a bunch of CSI, or 
you're big on MacGyver, or you 

944
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:48,690
saw Miami Vice and then now 
you're an investigator, you've 

945
00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:50,570
got some, you've got some, some 
chops. 

946
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:56,930
And and to be honest with you, 
when you go through life as an 

947
00:44:56,930 --> 00:45:00,090
entertainer, one of the things 
you have to learn how to do is 

948
00:45:00,090 --> 00:45:02,050
work a crowd. 
And you can't work a crowd if 

949
00:45:02,050 --> 00:45:05,810
you can't read the crowd. 
And that's part part of it. 

950
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:10,050
Steve, I wanted to ask you, so 
you were, you were at every day 

951
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:11,410
of the Oathkeeper trial, 
correct? 

952
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:13,990
Yeah. 
And and this obviously jumped 

953
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:17,910
out to you enough to hone in on 
it through the video process. 

954
00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:21,710
This wasn't the only thing 
though, right there. 

955
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:24,710
There's other items that are 
then on your list that you're 

956
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:28,150
going to try to back up, confirm
or deny via the video. 

957
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:32,340
Yeah, and when I went into the 
video room there at the Capitol 

958
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:36,980
for the first time and just give
everybody just a super brief 

959
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:40,620
explanation of that, when Tucker
Carlson was given access to that

960
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:43,900
$41,000 of video, he wasn't 
given the video. 

961
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:48,580
What his team was given was 
access to three computer 

962
00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:52,020
consoles in one of the office 
buildings there in the Capitol 

963
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:55,880
complex. 
And but then you got a few hours

964
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,920
to sit down in front of those 
videos and it's overwhelming. 

965
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,160
I mean, you know, 70 / 1700 
cameras worth of data that day 

966
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,320
that 41,000 hours would take you
over five years of continuous 

967
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,480
watching 24 hours a day without 
ever taking you know a break for

968
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,630
sleep rest or the restaurant and
and that and then the process is

969
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:21,310
incredibly tedious because 
there's not 100% coverage of 

970
00:46:21,310 --> 00:46:22,710
every square inch of the 
capital. 

971
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:27,030
Even with 1700 cameras, it would
take more than 10,000 cameras to

972
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:29,230
cover every square inch of that 
of that building. 

973
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:31,710
And that's probably just the 
hallways, that's not including 

974
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:34,070
the interiors of the offices if 
they wanted to do that. 

975
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:38,030
So it's an incredibly tedious 
process to to work on it and 

976
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:41,910
it's one of the reasons why 
there really hasn't been any 

977
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:47,110
gigantic earth shaking or game 
changing reveals coming from the

978
00:46:47,110 --> 00:46:49,070
people who have had access so 
far. 

979
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:52,590
Now you know, Tucker's team 
found some things, but Tucker's 

980
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:55,950
team also sought help. 
His two producers called me, two

981
00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:57,990
of his producers called me and 
said what do we need to be 

982
00:46:57,990 --> 00:47:01,910
looking for? 
And and then some of the others 

983
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:04,670
that have have shown some really
interesting things. 

984
00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:08,670
They haven't been game changing,
but you, because you have to 

985
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:11,950
know what to look for, where to 
start. 

986
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:15,670
And then the tedium begins, 
Because if you have a subject 

987
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:18,830
that you're tracking in the 
capital, he goes out of, he goes

988
00:47:18,830 --> 00:47:21,390
out of camera coverage, those 
CCT cameras. 

989
00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:23,870
And then you got to find it 
because there's there's a dozen 

990
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:28,150
places and a dozen hallways or 
stairwells or hidden passages, 

991
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:30,990
literally hidden passages that 
they could have gone down. 

992
00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:34,910
And so then you have to pick 
them up and find them somewhere 

993
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:36,430
else. 
It may take you an hour to find 

994
00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:39,620
them again of clicking through, 
you know, dozens of cameras in 

995
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:41,940
that zone. 
So it's it's a difficult 

996
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:44,220
process. 
But fortunately when I went in 

997
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:47,060
and I knew what I was looking 
for and on the first story, 

998
00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:49,940
which I haven't done yet, I've 
alluded to it, but I but I 

999
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:53,420
haven't done yet, we actually 
skipped to story #2 for this 

1000
00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:56,020
release. 
This week I went in there and I 

1001
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,460
intended to spend one day on 
that story and I had on my 

1002
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:00,460
notepad. 
There was about six or seven 

1003
00:48:00,940 --> 00:48:04,940
things that I was intending to 
spend time with, not realizing 

1004
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:07,940
how arduous and how tedious this
process was. 

1005
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:12,870
And so it ended up being. 
I spent all three of my first 

1006
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:16,990
days in there working on this 
single story, and and it got 

1007
00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:18,990
bigger and bigger and bigger. 
It got much bigger than I 

1008
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:21,110
thought it was, even though my 
instincts led me there. 

1009
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:23,590
I remember texting with you 
while you were doing that. 

1010
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:26,190
You're sitting in the room there
and I know that you had an 

1011
00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:28,390
organization, you had time 
stamps that you were going in 

1012
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:30,870
and you were going to start 
scanning cameras to find like 

1013
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:32,710
you went in there with a 
targeted hunt. 

1014
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:35,310
Unlike maybe what Tucker 
Carlson's people did, who rolled

1015
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:38,190
in there and then went like 
41,000 hours, a million 

1016
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:40,230
different angles, I don't even 
know where to begin. 

1017
00:48:40,270 --> 00:48:41,630
Maybe we can find something of 
value. 

1018
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:43,950
And they ended up with like the 
Jacob Chansley's thing, which 

1019
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:46,030
was basically a moot point 
because he was about to get 

1020
00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:47,350
released anyway. 
He'd already served all of his 

1021
00:48:47,350 --> 00:48:48,790
time. 
Couple days later, he was out. 

1022
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:51,030
Everyone thought that was the 
reason why it was like no, it 

1023
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:54,390
was the first step act. 
It reminds me of those lawsuits 

1024
00:48:54,550 --> 00:48:57,750
or where they one party will, 
they'll be a subpoena for 

1025
00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:00,710
document and they'll just give 
like a warehouse worth of forms 

1026
00:49:00,710 --> 00:49:02,710
of that are in boxes of all the 
paperwork. 

1027
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,800
And just here you go, good luck 
finding the one sheet of paper 

1028
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,240
that you need because it will 
take you years and years and 

1029
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:10,880
years. 
And then they're just betting on

1030
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,000
the odds that that just never 
happens before the trial date. 

1031
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Well, that's exactly what 
they've done in one of these, 

1032
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,480
you know, these Trump trials, 
there's 12 million documents 

1033
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,000
they have to go through and and 
and they're supposed to do that 

1034
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,120
in three months. 
You know, it's it's an 

1035
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,590
impossibility and and so that 
that's exactly what you're up 

1036
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:30,710
against when you're up against 
that that video. 

1037
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:33,590
And by and by the way, I think, 
I think the most important thing

1038
00:49:33,590 --> 00:49:37,950
that that Tucker showed was not 
the Q Anon Shaman thing. 

1039
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:41,630
I thought it was Josh Halley 
running across. 

1040
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:43,230
And let me tell you why that was
important. 

1041
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:46,230
You remember the mainstream 
media made him look like an 

1042
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:49,990
idiot, like a coward in this 
process. 

1043
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:52,890
But what? 
But the mainstream media only 

1044
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:57,050
showed that 3 second you know, 
or two second in slow motion 

1045
00:49:57,050 --> 00:50:00,410
where he came into camera frame 
and then he disappeared out of 

1046
00:50:00,410 --> 00:50:04,090
camera frame. 
And and yet what Tucker did is 

1047
00:50:04,090 --> 00:50:09,090
he showed the reality in full 
context of how the January 6th 

1048
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:12,970
Committee was twisting the truth
with a single moment on film, 

1049
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:14,970
rather than providing the whole 
context. 

1050
00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:19,030
Which is why I have this, this 
particular a new axiom since 

1051
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:21,830
January 6th is I won't ever 
again believe anything that I 

1052
00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:24,670
see that I don't see with my own
eyes, but then consult the 

1053
00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:27,230
videotape. 
Then I had to expand it after I 

1054
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:31,390
got access to thousands of other
cameras, and I had to say okay, 

1055
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:34,590
you can't really trust even a 
single camera. 

1056
00:50:34,830 --> 00:50:39,430
You have to have the angles to 
pick up the full context of why 

1057
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:41,230
those two seconds took place. 
Yeah. 

1058
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:42,950
And let me let me flesh that out
for people. 

1059
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:45,470
You see an angle of somebody 
running across and you go, oh, 

1060
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:48,070
that person is running and you 
assigned some meaning to that 

1061
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:49,670
running. 
You see the other angle and you 

1062
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:52,070
see that there's a child in the 
street that he is running to 

1063
00:50:52,070 --> 00:50:54,670
grab and suddenly you go like, 
oh, he's not running because 

1064
00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:55,590
he's running away from 
something. 

1065
00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:57,750
He's running towards something 
and running away and running 

1066
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:59,590
towards is a fundamental 
distinction. 

1067
00:50:59,750 --> 00:51:02,830
And then is the reason because 
of fear or because of altruism 

1068
00:51:02,830 --> 00:51:05,150
or whatever else. 
So you start adding context the 

1069
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:07,110
more angles you get. 
The question I have having. 

1070
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:09,470
We've never seen this this 
camera room, but having seen 

1071
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:11,590
camera rooms and also seeing 
government systems, which are 

1072
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:14,270
usually the worst, I don't know 
if the Capitol Police has the 

1073
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:17,630
same motto that the FBI does, 
but the FBI is in, what are they

1074
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:20,270
called IT, department. 
Their motto is yesterday's 

1075
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:23,550
technology tomorrow because they
have, they have the crappiest 

1076
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:25,310
computer. 
They have the slowest and most 

1077
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:26,710
useless software that ever 
existed. 

1078
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:30,230
Can you index multiple cameras 
where you bring them up and show

1079
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:32,270
in real time, where you're 
seeing like 10 different angles 

1080
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:34,260
on on a Multiplex screen? 
Yes. 

1081
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:38,620
So it's really actually, the 
software system is quite robust 

1082
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:43,340
and it's rather fast. 
It moves quickly. 

1083
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,700
It helps to have the people that
are actually writing the check 

1084
00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:49,500
in the same building as you, 
perhaps probably so and so. 

1085
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:53,140
Yeah, we were able to bring up 
multiple and this was key to 

1086
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:57,450
making this work. 
So as I'm tracking somebody and 

1087
00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:02,210
comparing it on a time code to 
somebody else, I can bring 468 

1088
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:06,050
different cameras up on the 
screen at the same time, hit one

1089
00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:09,050
button, boom, they sync to the 
millisecond. 

1090
00:52:09,050 --> 00:52:11,210
That's awesome. 
Yeah, the FBI can't do that. 

1091
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:12,810
For the record, wow. 
Wow. 

1092
00:52:13,330 --> 00:52:14,650
Well, they need to. 
Talk. 

1093
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:16,810
I never saw that. 
I told you we. 

1094
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:19,410
I told you we needed to show a 
little grace to the Capitol 

1095
00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:20,650
Police. 
But anyway. 

1096
00:52:20,650 --> 00:52:23,220
They got good security cameras. 
That's not nothing, right. 

1097
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:26,060
But see the but the problem with
the with the cameras is that 

1098
00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:29,460
obviously they are being you 
know there's over 1700 in the 

1099
00:52:29,460 --> 00:52:32,620
entire complex so they're not 
all new state-of-the-art. 

1100
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:35,100
So they there's older cameras in
there. 

1101
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:37,940
So it's it's grainy it's fuzzy. 
It's not you know that it 

1102
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:41,580
doesn't have the you know the 
the definition that you want. 

1103
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:44,780
So you so when you zoom out you,
you know you lose or zoom in you

1104
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:48,740
lose everything and then and 
then other parts of the building

1105
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:52,040
you've got newer cameras with 
you know much higher definition 

1106
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,360
and higher quality. 
So. 

1107
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,880
So you have there's there's that
battle and they're they're 

1108
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,960
replacing cameras as they as 
they can and someday maybe there

1109
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,280
will be 10,000 cameras there and
they'll all be super high def 

1110
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,680
but as it is right now. 
So that's one of the one of the 

1111
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,520
struggles we had when we were 
doing this. 

1112
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,480
But the to to the point, there's
not only how you present it. 

1113
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480
And I want to go back to that 
Josh Halley thing for just a 

1114
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,150
moment because this was the most
instructive moment of Tucker and

1115
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:24,950
nobody really dwelt on this or 
covered this very well, is what 

1116
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:28,390
Tucker was pointing out when 
they showed the clip that the 

1117
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:33,790
January Select Committee showed.
If you remember, everybody in 

1118
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:38,870
the gallery there on this, you 
know, televised event busted out

1119
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:43,550
laughing at Josh Halley when he 
ran across that in that screen, 

1120
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:47,170
the hallway. 
And then and then it was all 

1121
00:53:47,170 --> 00:53:49,810
over Twitter and social media 
and people were making fun of 

1122
00:53:49,810 --> 00:53:52,730
him. 
What Tucker did was not just 

1123
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:58,010
show it in context and show that
he was part of a long list of 

1124
00:53:58,330 --> 00:54:02,370
representative senators, 
lawmakers and other staffers 

1125
00:54:02,370 --> 00:54:05,930
that were running towards their 
evacuation route, per the 

1126
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:09,370
instruction of the Capitol 
police, by the way, but that he 

1127
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:13,410
was also the trailing member. 
So he wasn't the one up in the 

1128
00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:16,890
front, you know, like, you know,
George Costanza out of my way. 

1129
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:18,490
Yeah, forget forget the women 
and children. 

1130
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:22,050
It's John hally out the front. 
No, he was the trailing guy. 

1131
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:26,490
And and then and so they took it
completely out of context, 

1132
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:29,530
misrepresented it. 
And if they're willing to do 

1133
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:33,530
that, now think about this. 
If they're willing to do that to

1134
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:40,530
one of their own, these were 
legislators who besmirched 

1135
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,840
another legislature. 
Right. 

1136
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,880
In theory, all of them in danger
on that day. 

1137
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,760
But they went after a hit job on
it, right? 

1138
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,000
They did a hit job on him. 
If they're willing to do that in

1139
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,960
a two second video clip, what 
else are they doing with the 

1140
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,080
truth in that committee meeting?
It's so true. 

1141
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,240
All right, I want to. 
We're coming up at the hour 

1142
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:58,000
mark. 
I want to keep going. 

1143
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,600
If you're. 
If you've still got time, Mr. 

1144
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,480
Baker. 
We'll keep going, folks. 

1145
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,520
If you're just joining us, we're
talking to Steve Baker. 

1146
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,240
He's the pragmatic 
Constitutionalist now working 

1147
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:06,880
with The Blaze has been 
uncovering and kind of 

1148
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,320
dissecting some of the January 
6th narrative. 

1149
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,320
We're discussing right now what 
they were. 

1150
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,960
To do with the January 6th 
Select Committee or some people 

1151
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,440
like to call it the Unselect 
Committee. 

1152
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,280
We've also got Steve Friend who 
is an author and former FBI 

1153
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,560
agent, a buddy of mine who does 
our regular segment called 

1154
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,600
Friendly Fridays. 
I see a lot of you are there. 

1155
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,480
If you gonna if you like what 
you're seeing and you're joining

1156
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,800
us on Rumble, please hit the the
thumbs up and say that you do in

1157
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,360
fact like it. 
And we're really grateful for 

1158
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,800
all these super chats or these 
rubble ranch you guys are 

1159
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,280
throwing down the Pike including
from our friends FBI Panty Raid 

1160
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,760
and Critter 64. 
I also want to just throw this 

1161
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,560
out there since we're sitting 
here. 

1162
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,480
I'm actually wearing my 
Suspendables merch gear because 

1163
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,280
I always wear this to. 
Support our buddy Garrett 

1164
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,000
O'boyle. 
You talk about disassembling the

1165
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,120
narrative. 
He's one of the guys that has 

1166
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,120
been helping us do it. 
You can see I'm carrying the pin

1167
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,680
right now. 
You can find all these things on

1168
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,040
the merch store. 
I'm just going to pull it up 

1169
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,280
real quick, if you guys don't 
mind. 

1170
00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:54,700
There it is right there. 
It's the dash. suspendables.com 

1171
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:56,820
These are Ranger panties. 
If you've never worn Ranger 

1172
00:55:56,820 --> 00:55:59,820
panties you've never lived 2 
layers of mesh between you and 

1173
00:55:59,820 --> 00:56:02,780
the universe. 
If you're a man, live for once, 

1174
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:05,380
stand out in a in a stiff breeze
and wear yourself. 

1175
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:07,820
Sarah, a pair of Ranger panties.
If you're in the army, they're 

1176
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:08,940
called that. 
If you're in the Marine Corps 

1177
00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:10,300
they call them Silky's. 
If you're in the Air Force, we 

1178
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:11,900
call them Sophie's. 
I've been wearing them for a 

1179
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:13,220
long time. 
He's got him in OD green and 

1180
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:15,220
black which is awesome. 
He's got him with the Betsy Ross

1181
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:17,940
kind of suspendables logo and 
also the upside down badge if 

1182
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:20,740
you want to catch some eyes at 
your lower leg and not at your 

1183
00:56:20,740 --> 00:56:21,740
crotch. 
Where one of the. 

1184
00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:23,940
Suspendables Ranger panties 
instead of wearing the normal 

1185
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:25,220
ones. 
Otherwise people will just be 

1186
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:27,220
looking for the bowls and that 
is always a little bit awkward. 

1187
00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:30,140
But check out the Dash 
suspendables.com Outstanding 

1188
00:56:30,140 --> 00:56:32,060
website. 
It supports gear to Boyle promo 

1189
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:33,500
code. 
Kyle, he just made it up for the

1190
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:35,120
heck of it because. 
He's giving you a little 

1191
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,560
discount just to track some 
where the the clicks are coming 

1192
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,040
from. 
But promo code Kyle will save 

1193
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,880
you 10%. 
So by all means and I just saw 

1194
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,920
Joe Dirt just ask me. 
I wear a size 34 waist. 

1195
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Dude, get yourself some mediums.
I wear some smalls, some 

1196
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,640
smediums. 
You always want them a little 

1197
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,880
bit tight. 
You want your range of panties 

1198
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,920
to fit tightly. 
You don't want a loose pair of 

1199
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,440
Ranger panties. 
Steve friends going to be 

1200
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,520
running around Florida in these 
things pretty soon and 

1201
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,320
experiencing the freedom. 
OK, so that I don't know why I 

1202
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,000
just thought that was the time 
to say it but that was the time 

1203
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,720
to say it. 
If you haven't worn some Ranger 

1204
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:03,280
pins. 
What to get some to Steve bake. 

1205
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,960
Mr. Baker is also definitely a 
suspendable at heart. 

1206
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,720
He's willing to go down the line
and experience the FBI's lovely 

1207
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,920
treatment, the soft treatment of
of respect, right. 

1208
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,280
They love you and they respect 
you. 

1209
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,880
And they've just been treating 
you so gently. 

1210
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,320
They've been so helpful. 
They want to, they want to go 

1211
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,640
ahead and protect your freedom. 
OK, so they're they're just, 

1212
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,680
you're dismantling this, this 
narrative one at a time. 

1213
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,600
And part of these things are 
taking them brick by brick, just

1214
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,080
showing what it was they were 
pushing what it was that they're

1215
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,240
willing to, to push towards you 
like you said, going after a 

1216
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,360
Josh Howley. 
Showing that they are trying to 

1217
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,960
build up one guy even though he 
apparently lied. 

1218
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,600
Do we think Harry Dunn straight 
up lied? 

1219
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Is that what he did? 
I I I have only revealed this in

1220
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,120
one other broadcast thus far but
I actually I did a four hour 

1221
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,080
interview sit down private 
interview with Harry Dunn and 

1222
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,400
this was 100% off the record. 
So I won't say and won't tell 

1223
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,280
you anything that he told me, 
but I will tell you what I told 

1224
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:02,560
him. 
I I told Harry that I had 

1225
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,400
received a an advance copy of 
his forthcoming book. 

1226
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,480
I told him obviously I have the 
trial transcripts from his 

1227
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,600
testimonies and the various 
ofkeepers trials and such. 

1228
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,840
I have the transcripts from his 
congressional testimony. 

1229
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,400
I have his, you know, transcript
from his opening statement 

1230
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,520
before the Select Committee and 
and I said Harry, I've also had 

1231
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,920
access to this 41,000 hours 
worth of video. 

1232
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,310
There's a lot that does not 
match up and that could be a 

1233
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:35,110
problem for you. 
How did he receive that 

1234
00:58:35,110 --> 00:58:40,230
information? 
He's an interesting guy in that 

1235
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:43,110
I understand why people like 
him. 

1236
00:58:43,110 --> 00:58:47,390
I understand the lovable giant, 
you know, aspect of him, 6-7, 

1237
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:51,790
three, £150, whatever big 
imposing figure. 

1238
00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:58,730
He does have a gentle spirit, 
but I I told him, and again, I'm

1239
00:58:58,730 --> 00:59:01,570
I'm, I'm going to tell you what 
I told him, not what he said to 

1240
00:59:01,570 --> 00:59:05,690
me. 
It was off the record, is that I

1241
00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:07,090
said, Harry, I think you were 
set up. 

1242
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:09,170
I think you were taken advantage
of. 

1243
00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:14,730
I think that you're being used. 
I think much of what I've read 

1244
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:18,930
in your book was scripted either
by your ghostwriter or your 

1245
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:21,730
publisher or somebody else 
behind the scenes. 

1246
00:59:22,330 --> 00:59:24,010
I don't think that they're your 
words. 

1247
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:28,300
Let me help you, help me help 
you. 

1248
00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:31,740
Kind of like what friend was 
saying here a moment ago, that's

1249
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:36,460
a, you know, an interview 
technique to let me make this 

1250
00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:40,580
better for you because it's 
coming and those discrepancies 

1251
00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:44,460
are coming out. 
I don't believe that Harry did 

1252
00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:49,180
this maliciously, but as I said 
before, there's a Star Chamber 

1253
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:52,060
that was convened in 21 to take 
out the Oathkeepers. 

1254
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:55,800
Now we can get into the bigger, 
you know, picture there. 

1255
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,760
Yeah, I think we should, But how
did he receive that information 

1256
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,640
when you said help me, help me 
you and I think that what you're

1257
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,360
saying is false. 
At the again, I have to be 

1258
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,600
really careful here because I 
can't. 

1259
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,000
I'm looking for body reactions. 
I don't need exact words like 

1260
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,000
I'm more than comfortable, you 
know, respecting the privacy of 

1261
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,920
the the on the off the record 
and I appreciate that you have 

1262
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,160
the ethics to do that too. 
But there were people receive 

1263
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,480
information a couple of 
pushbacks. 

1264
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,040
Yeah, there were a couple of 
pushbacks from him and but we 

1265
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,940
never, you know, we we did 4 
solid hours and we were very 

1266
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:27,300
respectful to one another and it
was, you know, and we could not 

1267
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:31,020
be more polar opposites 
politically either and yet we 

1268
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:36,100
had a respectful conversation. 
Oh yeah, hard left. 

1269
01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:41,460
And and his book is a is is 90% 
of his book is a hard leftist 

1270
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:44,620
screed. 
Whoever wrote it for him, I 

1271
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:47,740
assume is representing his 
politics and his mindset there. 

1272
01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:52,100
But it's more of a of a leftist 
manifesto than it is a 

1273
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:53,730
biography. 
Interesting. 

1274
01:00:53,730 --> 01:00:56,930
Steve, you you've been around a 
lot of cops but a lot of federal

1275
01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:57,770
law enforcement. 
Sorry Steve. 

1276
01:00:57,770 --> 01:01:01,570
Friends, I got to get better. 
Still this is a new challenge. 

1277
01:01:01,570 --> 01:01:04,610
I love it though. 
Friend, you you meet a lot of 

1278
01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:06,890
people that are that are in the 
law enforcement realm that are 

1279
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:08,210
that are leftist. 
Cuz I think this is kind of 

1280
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:09,850
interesting too. 
I think it's worth noting the 

1281
01:01:09,850 --> 01:01:12,090
types of people that are working
at Capitol Police, but I'm 

1282
01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:14,490
curious if you think that's 
common either I I haven't. 

1283
01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:18,010
I really haven't. 
I mean, I always tend to say 

1284
01:01:18,050 --> 01:01:20,690
that law enforcement is gun 
culture. 

1285
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:24,290
So it tends to attract people 
that are proponents of the 

1286
01:01:24,290 --> 01:01:26,370
Second Amendment and that 
correlates really high with more

1287
01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:28,690
of a conservative or libertarian
worldview. 

1288
01:01:29,610 --> 01:01:32,130
But that being said, there's 
there's also exceptions to the 

1289
01:01:32,130 --> 01:01:35,770
rule here. 
And I think anybody who's and I 

1290
01:01:35,770 --> 01:01:37,730
can really always speak to the 
FBI, anybody who's joined the 

1291
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:40,490
FBI now, it's kind of public 
knowledge of what's been going 

1292
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:41,650
on. 
If you're going in with your 

1293
01:01:41,650 --> 01:01:45,010
eyes open on that, I think that 
you're you're a true believer on

1294
01:01:45,010 --> 01:01:47,890
that you've drank the the Flavor
Aid, not the kool-aid, by the 

1295
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:48,890
way. 
It's the Flavor Aid. 

1296
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:51,020
Yeah, it's not, it's not the 
brand name, it's the off brand. 

1297
01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:53,660
That's what the government's 
willing to spend on Steve Baker.

1298
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:55,700
What is that? 
You've interviewed a bunch of 

1299
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:58,060
these folks from Capitol Police.
I just wanted to broader, just 

1300
01:01:58,060 --> 01:01:59,580
pull back the lens for just one 
second here. 

1301
01:02:00,140 --> 01:02:03,540
What do you think the overall 
political leanings are of these 

1302
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:05,380
guys? 
If you could categorize it or if

1303
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:08,980
it's just across the board, it 
it's, it's, it is rather across 

1304
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:10,220
the board. 
But I I agree. 

1305
01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:15,460
I agree with Steve Friend and 
that that culture does attract. 

1306
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:18,220
Typically more libertarian is 
more conservative type leaning 

1307
01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:21,660
type individuals. 
But particularly when we're 

1308
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:24,740
talking about the DC law 
enforcement agency, they are 

1309
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:29,380
also attracting from the local 
residency and that residency 

1310
01:02:29,380 --> 01:02:34,740
pool is largely leftist and of a
Democrat voting pool. 

1311
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:40,180
I mean, 92.5% of DC residents 
voted for Biden in the last 

1312
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:43,090
election, so it gives you an 
idea of what they're pulling 

1313
01:02:43,090 --> 01:02:44,530
from. 
So you're going to have a much 

1314
01:02:44,530 --> 01:02:49,170
higher percentage of 
left-leaning Democrat voting law

1315
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:52,810
enforcement in that town than 
you are anywhere else in the 

1316
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:54,770
country. 
It's so yeah, that's such a 

1317
01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:58,860
relevant point too. 
All of DC is basically suckling 

1318
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,900
at the tea. 
All of the the Maryland counties

1319
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:03,340
that's around it and all the 
Northern Virginia counties, you 

1320
01:03:03,340 --> 01:03:05,540
know, it's the bluest part of 
Virginia, which would otherwise 

1321
01:03:05,540 --> 01:03:07,540
be a pretty RedState minus 
Richmond. 

1322
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:10,380
And and having lived there for 
five years, I I definitely agree

1323
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:11,900
with that. 
They're hiring from a certain 

1324
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:13,260
pool. 
That pool tends to be a certain 

1325
01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:15,540
thing and then you're looking at
the prestige level, which you 

1326
01:03:15,540 --> 01:03:17,380
don't need to say, but I'll say 
it right now because I've worked

1327
01:03:17,380 --> 01:03:19,740
there, I've worked with Capitol 
Police, I've worked with DC 

1328
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:22,060
Metro, PD's, DC Metro is like 
the bottom of the barrel. 

1329
01:03:22,060 --> 01:03:23,540
If you have a felony, you can 
still work there. 

1330
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:25,460
So that's pretty wild. 
And then above that might be 

1331
01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:26,660
Capitol Police. 
And then? 

1332
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:29,340
Above that is like the ATF. 
So think about how much you love

1333
01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:30,580
the ATF. 
That's kind of where they're at.

1334
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:33,180
DEA maybe above there the FBI 
kind of thinks they're above 

1335
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:35,020
that. 
You kind of move around inside 

1336
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:36,060
the federal law enforcement 
tier. 

1337
01:03:36,060 --> 01:03:39,460
I think FBI is and the Secret 
Service tend to kind of have a 

1338
01:03:39,460 --> 01:03:42,380
similar tier but different types
people who will do either you 

1339
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:44,460
know protective or want to do 
more investigative, although you

1340
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:46,740
could be a protection guy and 
and have no cases if you want to

1341
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:49,300
be in the FBI too. 
So kind of a fun little way to 

1342
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:51,260
like the layer cake does have 
layers. 

1343
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:54,220
There are tiers that they look 
at if you want to go out there 

1344
01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:57,050
and command A room. 
My bud Steve friend here has 

1345
01:03:57,050 --> 01:03:58,890
said that when you walk in the 
room and you're an FBI agent, 

1346
01:03:58,890 --> 01:04:00,850
people already think that you're
the most interesting guy in the 

1347
01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:03,290
room. 
You know like it. 

1348
01:04:03,290 --> 01:04:05,570
That's just the way it works. 
You walk in, they go like whoo 

1349
01:04:05,570 --> 01:04:07,890
because they think you're a 
secret agent as as Mr. Baker, 

1350
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:10,610
it's just sort of alluded to 
their secret okay. 

1351
01:04:10,610 --> 01:04:12,650
So we've got this narrative, 
we're deconstructing it. 

1352
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:14,570
You've you've had some time to 
talk about these guys. 

1353
01:04:14,690 --> 01:04:17,410
You know keep keep kind of 
laying it out for us if you 

1354
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:21,170
would what what this revelation 
sort of means and then we may 

1355
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:22,330
actually get into a broader 
picture. 

1356
01:04:22,330 --> 01:04:24,090
I'm more than happy for you to 
kind of expand out what you 

1357
01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:27,740
think the overall. 
What the overall goal was if you

1358
01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:29,700
have that sense now. 
Well let let. 

1359
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:33,020
Yeah let's so let's let's switch
back to Lazarus here because 

1360
01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:35,180
this gets to the big reveal this
week. 

1361
01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:39,740
So as we set up earlier in the 
in the the broadcast here we are

1362
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:44,140
looking at an individual who was
brought in to tighten up, button

1363
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:47,660
up and straighten out a 
conflicting narrative by this 

1364
01:04:47,660 --> 01:04:49,700
other officer, Harry Dunn. 
So they bring it. 

1365
01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:51,700
The guy, what's that? 
He's a fixer. 

1366
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:55,590
Yeah, right, right. 
And so he testifies that he saw 

1367
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:59,030
this interaction between The 
Oathkeepers and Harry Dunn three

1368
01:04:59,030 --> 01:05:00,510
or four times. 
That's from the trial 

1369
01:05:00,510 --> 01:05:04,110
transcript. 
And that every time he passed 

1370
01:05:04,110 --> 01:05:07,470
them, it was a contentious 
engagement. 

1371
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:12,350
And then there's a problem with 
that is that when you go look at

1372
01:05:12,350 --> 01:05:18,350
the video, Special Agent David 
Lazarus was not only not there, 

1373
01:05:18,430 --> 01:05:21,990
not only did not pass them three
or four times, not only did not 

1374
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:25,110
see the interaction, regardless 
of what the nature of that 

1375
01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:27,470
interaction was between the 
other keepers and Harry Dunn. 

1376
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:31,670
He was in another part of the 
entire complex, a half a mile 

1377
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:35,030
away, when it began. 
Which you can prove we we have 

1378
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:39,310
it nailed. 
We have, I have I have the the 

1379
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:42,110
videos in my computer right here
and of course they're in the 

1380
01:05:42,110 --> 01:05:44,430
Blaze hard drives as well. 
We have them. 

1381
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Maybe Steve Friend could tell us
what that would mean for this 

1382
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:52,720
person, David Lazareth. 
I think he would have a Giglio 

1383
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,480
issue, but we'll just say that 
you. 

1384
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,240
Want to explain what that is for
folks that are not? 

1385
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:02,240
You have to have it when, when 
you are a law enforcement 

1386
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,080
officer who's going to testify, 
You have to have a clean record 

1387
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,720
of being honest on the stand, 
you know, like you're supposed 

1388
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,950
to be. 
But if you've been proven to 

1389
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:15,230
have lied in in a court of law 
and perjure yourself, then 

1390
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:17,070
you're no longer useful to your 
organization. 

1391
01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:21,310
That's why as much as this Kyle 
hypes up the the surveillance 

1392
01:06:21,310 --> 01:06:23,470
gig, we always called it the 
Rubber Gun Squad because it was 

1393
01:06:23,470 --> 01:06:25,830
filled, populated by a lot of 
agents who had Giglio issues, 

1394
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:28,750
had been proven to have lied 
before and and they wanted to 

1395
01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:31,910
keep them as agents, but in a 
way that they were never going 

1396
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:33,270
to have to testify in court 
again. 

1397
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:38,510
So it seems to me that this 
Special Agent Lazarus was lying 

1398
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:40,650
perjured himself. 
Committed a felony by doing that

1399
01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:42,690
should probably be held 
accountable legally for that, 

1400
01:06:43,210 --> 01:06:46,050
but at the very least, anything 
he's ever said should be called 

1401
01:06:46,050 --> 01:06:48,770
into question. 
Anything he says going forward, 

1402
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:51,970
he should be precluded from 
saying because of this, this one

1403
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:54,640
mega lie. 
Yeah, spot on the rubber gun 

1404
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,520
squad, he's he's spot on. 
Although we had to carry the 

1405
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,880
real guns because you're out in 
the public, but the idea that 

1406
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,240
you can't testify is legit. 
The rubber gun squad actually 

1407
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,960
used to be a room of guys that 
would just sit and have the 

1408
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,120
rubber guns and not do anything.
They would just get paid until 

1409
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,240
they retired. 
The DT instructors at Quantico. 

1410
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,480
Yeah, they actually have rubber 
guns. 

1411
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,080
The scary thing about it is for 
both of you guys is that when 

1412
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,080
you're doing surveillance, like 
that is actually a thing that 

1413
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,600
you would think that you might 
have to testify on. 

1414
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,800
It's like I saw hand to hand 
exchange happen between your 

1415
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,440
client and the following person.
That's why we know this. 

1416
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,000
I took the photographs on this 
day. 

1417
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,920
I was sitting in this location. 
I can show you. 

1418
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,960
On the map, like, there's a lot 
of testimony that that could 

1419
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,400
happen and yet it never happens.
I totally agree with you that 

1420
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,120
the surveillance squads were not
special operations as they like 

1421
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,400
to call themselves. 
They're actually special 

1422
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,960
observations and sometimes 
they're just special. 

1423
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,320
They're just special with like 
the short bus needs for some of 

1424
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,160
the I had guys on there that I 
could not believe got hired on, 

1425
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,120
we call them 25 year mistake. 
So there's plenty of those. 

1426
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,480
But that David Lazarus is 
cleaning this thing up, and in 

1427
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,680
the in the process, it sounds 
like he's creating Giglia, which

1428
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,600
means one he's now imputing 
himself under oath 2. 

1429
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:54,060
He potentially faces some 
perjury charges if he knows, and

1430
01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:57,140
it would be hard for him to not 
know where he was and see 

1431
01:07:57,140 --> 01:08:00,060
something that he didn't see. 
And and something else to add to

1432
01:08:00,060 --> 01:08:04,140
is the prosecutor, the assistant
news attorney, knowingly put him

1433
01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:06,580
on there to do that? 
Yeah, Okay, true. 

1434
01:08:07,020 --> 01:08:09,540
Yeah, we're going to go there. 
But I have to. 

1435
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:11,860
I have to tell you first of all 
that the first time somebody 

1436
01:08:11,860 --> 01:08:16,380
sent me a message comparing this
as a Giglio issue, my, you know,

1437
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:19,540
my old eyes and my bad glasses, 
I I thought it said a gigolo 

1438
01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:21,100
issue and I'd lay them down and 
look, you know? 

1439
01:08:22,979 --> 01:08:24,700
That one means probably not the 
first. 

1440
01:08:25,140 --> 01:08:26,819
Time. 
Yeah, you're not the first guy I

1441
01:08:26,939 --> 01:08:28,740
thought. 
I thought my my investigation 

1442
01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:31,500
was going to get a lot more fun 
now and so. 

1443
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:33,580
That would be a fun 
investigation. 

1444
01:08:33,580 --> 01:08:35,060
All right. 
But also about the gear you have

1445
01:08:35,060 --> 01:08:37,700
for that, Kyle. 
Yeah, for the, for the. 

1446
01:08:38,850 --> 01:08:40,450
It's it's all sex toys all the 
way down. 

1447
01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:43,370
Yeah, the Gigolo gig is. 
It's always in the bottom right 

1448
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:45,689
hand drawer of the night stand. 
Every search warrant I've ever 

1449
01:08:45,689 --> 01:08:47,410
been on. 
That's a totally different 

1450
01:08:47,410 --> 01:08:50,649
scenario. 
Scarface, Scarface, DV D's 

1451
01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:53,450
posters, and lots of porn on 
every search warrant. 

1452
01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:58,689
Tons of it, Yeah. 
So what ended up happening is we

1453
01:08:58,729 --> 01:09:05,410
went to where we knew that 
Lazarus was from a single still 

1454
01:09:05,890 --> 01:09:10,649
shot taken from a Capitol close 
circuit television camera. 

1455
01:09:11,529 --> 01:09:15,290
And then we had to start working
backwards from there and we 

1456
01:09:15,290 --> 01:09:17,529
tracked him because this, again,
this was instinct. 

1457
01:09:17,529 --> 01:09:21,410
I never believed his testimony. 
I did not believe he was there, 

1458
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:25,890
even from long range. 
Zoom across the Rotunda when he 

1459
01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:29,050
said he was there and they was 
passing through the crowd and 

1460
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:34,970
that he was, he was, he was 
rescuing these staffers out of 

1461
01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:37,990
Pelosi's office. 
I just didn't buy it. 

1462
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:42,470
And so when we found him from 
this steel shot, identified the 

1463
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:45,270
camera, then we had to go 
through the tedium, as I 

1464
01:09:45,270 --> 01:09:48,790
described earlier, of working 
our way back and, you know, 

1465
01:09:48,790 --> 01:09:51,950
triangulating between where he 
went out of frame and where did 

1466
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:55,230
he show up the next time. 
And it took hours and hours and 

1467
01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:58,310
hours, but we ended up tracking 
him all the way back to the 

1468
01:09:58,310 --> 01:10:02,040
Senate tunnels. 
And this was what something that

1469
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,480
he himself gave away. 
And then this. 

1470
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:09,360
He made a he made a key, very 
critical error in his trial 

1471
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,520
testimony is I went when I went 
back and looked at the trial 

1472
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,520
transcripts, and I, I, I, I'll 
be perfectly honest, I did not 

1473
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,200
catch this myself in the trial. 
None of the other media did. 

1474
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,360
And none of the 8 defense 
attorneys in that trial caught 

1475
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,900
this either. 
But on the stand, he was 

1476
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:30,260
describing how this was during 
direct examination by the 

1477
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:32,740
government, that he was 
describing how that he was 

1478
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:36,300
escorting senators out of the 
building during the evacuation 

1479
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:39,660
into the tunnels, down through 
the subway system to the Senate 

1480
01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:41,380
office buildings across the 
street. 

1481
01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:44,980
All right. 
And then he said he heard on his

1482
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:48,660
Capitol Police radio that shots 
had been fired. 

1483
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:52,910
Well, I have the transcripts. 
I have the radio transmissions. 

1484
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:54,910
I've heard them. 
They're still under seal. 

1485
01:10:54,910 --> 01:10:57,110
But this is something else that 
I've I've acquired. 

1486
01:10:58,550 --> 01:11:02,150
And I went back and I listened 
to the transcript or listened to

1487
01:11:02,150 --> 01:11:05,470
the radio transmission, read the
transcript, confirmed, validated

1488
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:07,750
the exact quote he used in the 
trial. 

1489
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:12,430
What he heard on the radio 
transmission happened at 2:44 

1490
01:11:12,430 --> 01:11:16,020
PM. 
OK, that was not shots fired, 

1491
01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:18,420
but it was the shot that killed 
Ashley Babbitt. 

1492
01:11:18,820 --> 01:11:22,380
And over the radio they said it 
was shots fired in the house 

1493
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:25,660
chamber. 
He said that he and and he he he

1494
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:30,140
accurately remembered that exact
phrasing even though it was 

1495
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:32,420
inaccurate in the fog award in 
the heat of the moment. 

1496
01:11:32,420 --> 01:11:35,060
And what was, you know, the the 
panic that was being broadcast 

1497
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:36,740
back and forth on those radio 
coms. 

1498
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:42,700
And so I was able to identify 
the exact time as 244. 

1499
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,280
It's ironic, it's coincidental, 
It's whatever you want to 

1500
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,160
however you want to put it. 
But guess what time the Harry 

1501
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,560
Done and Ofkeeper interaction 
began? 

1502
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,720
244 of. 
Course exactly the same moment. 

1503
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,840
It may be divine Providence. 
I I honestly, I'm, I'm telling 

1504
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,240
you, I I think that God's hand 
is on all this stuff at some 

1505
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,360
point. 
The reason why some of these 

1506
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,600
things have to come out the way 
they do is only because. 

1507
01:12:12,260 --> 01:12:14,660
How else would you find them? 
How else would they would they 

1508
01:12:14,660 --> 01:12:16,020
ever be revealed? 
And the truth wants to be 

1509
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:19,420
revealed, which is, yeah, it's 
clawing its way out. 

1510
01:12:19,420 --> 01:12:21,700
It's clawing its way out. 
Two years later, I mean, we're 

1511
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:24,500
still seeing it come out there, 
so, so we find him in the 

1512
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:30,380
tunnels escorting senators out. 
We then we lose him as he goes 

1513
01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:33,940
deep into the subway system and 
then he exit and he's coming 

1514
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:39,810
back out at like 248 1/2, you 
know 30 seconds some odd. 

1515
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:45,650
And he even passes an analog 
clock in the subway system that 

1516
01:12:45,650 --> 01:12:51,090
shows that it's almost 249 
capturing freeze frame still 

1517
01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:51,850
shot. 
We got it. 

1518
01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:58,450
You know it's it's it's there. 
And then by 248 1/2 the the the 

1519
01:12:58,450 --> 01:13:01,410
Harry Dunn Oath Keeper thing 
only lasted about 5 or 6 

1520
01:13:01,410 --> 01:13:03,840
minutes. 
That was that was, you know, 

1521
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,960
this wasn't 1/2 hour, you know 
battle, you know. 

1522
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,360
Yeah, that's what didn't make 
sense to me that from the 

1523
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,120
original testimony, like he 
passed by it three or four 

1524
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,360
times, like on his way on this 
pretty, pretty long route. 

1525
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,320
Like that would mean that that 
engagement would have had been 

1526
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,160
going on for like an hour. 
You would think so, and you 

1527
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,400
would think so. 
And just for people to 

1528
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,160
understand either one of you 
that's seen it, but probably 

1529
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,840
probably Baker is the best here 
you can you describe what this 

1530
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,200
interaction that we keep talking
about Oathkeepers V Harry, Don, 

1531
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,360
like what was that moment? 
What was the the context of it 

1532
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,320
as you looked at it in the 
broader scope like what's going 

1533
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,960
on there in the hallway. 
Well, from open source video and

1534
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,200
photography we have the evidence
of what really happened. 

1535
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,120
Of course, that the government 
did everything they could to 

1536
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,140
twist, suppress and and 
denigrate this evidence. 

1537
01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:51,860
Even though it was an attempt, 
the attempts were made by the 

1538
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:53,580
defense teams to bring this into
court. 

1539
01:13:53,940 --> 01:13:56,540
But what happened in that 
meeting or in that interaction 

1540
01:13:56,540 --> 01:14:01,610
was at at that same moment in 
time, oakkeeper Ken Harrelson 

1541
01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:05,370
had wandered out of the Rotunda 
into this little area called 

1542
01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:07,050
they. 
It's variously called either the

1543
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:11,010
many Rotunda, the Small Rotunda 
or the Speaker's Lobby and and 

1544
01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:14,490
and this is at the top of a 
staircase that comes up from 

1545
01:14:14,490 --> 01:14:17,370
down on the crypt level which is
right below the the the great 

1546
01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:21,490
Rotunda. 
And and so, as Ken wanders into 

1547
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:26,130
this little Speaker's lobby area
at that exact moment in time, 

1548
01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:30,690
Harry Dunn comes up those steps 
and he's an absolute abject 

1549
01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:34,010
panic. 
He's carrying an M4 automatic 

1550
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:38,770
weapon. 
He is sweating, He's distressed,

1551
01:14:39,490 --> 01:14:42,210
even his own trial testimony, he
says he's afraid. 

1552
01:14:42,890 --> 01:14:46,650
What they didn't know was just 
one minute earlier he had lost 

1553
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:53,130
his shit downstairs and was 
cussing out these protesters 

1554
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:56,570
that were all the way across the
room from him screaming four 

1555
01:14:56,570 --> 01:14:58,210
letter words. 
Get the hell out of here. 

1556
01:14:58,210 --> 01:15:01,770
You know worse words than that 
and and and you, you've got it. 

1557
01:15:01,770 --> 01:15:04,450
You know you're killing us down 
here and all this and so much so

1558
01:15:04,450 --> 01:15:11,010
that he had lost his ability or 
his training to to deescalate a 

1559
01:15:11,010 --> 01:15:15,810
bad situation that a another 
officer, Captain Ben Smith of 

1560
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:17,970
the United States Capitol Police
came over and put his hands on 

1561
01:15:17,970 --> 01:15:19,570
him. 
And it's like, calm down, Harry.

1562
01:15:20,610 --> 01:15:23,650
And then about a minute later, 
Harry just snapped and ran up 

1563
01:15:23,650 --> 01:15:25,890
those stairs. 
So he's in this state of mind 

1564
01:15:26,010 --> 01:15:29,450
when Ken sees him now in full 
context. 

1565
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:32,810
And this is something people do 
not understand unless you've 

1566
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:36,690
seen everything. 
Ken is inside the Capitol. 

1567
01:15:37,330 --> 01:15:39,770
He's never seen one second of 
violence. 

1568
01:15:40,050 --> 01:15:42,170
This is the oathkeeper that 
we're talking about. 

1569
01:15:42,170 --> 01:15:45,290
Again, this is Ken Harrelson. 
Ken Harrelson, OK, he's he's 

1570
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:47,850
he's gone. 
He's now walked through the East

1571
01:15:47,850 --> 01:15:50,370
Columbus doors. 
He's walked through the Rotunda.

1572
01:15:50,370 --> 01:15:52,530
He's walked all the way to the 
other side now and to where this

1573
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:57,490
other, this little speaker's 
lobby, many Rotunda areas at the

1574
01:15:57,490 --> 01:16:00,890
top of that staircase. 
He's not seeing a second of 

1575
01:16:00,890 --> 01:16:03,330
violence all day. 
Yeah, let's, let's, let's pause 

1576
01:16:03,330 --> 01:16:05,450
on this just for one second 
because I want to reiterate that

1577
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:08,210
to people. 
And I think you're in such an 

1578
01:16:08,210 --> 01:16:10,850
interesting position to be able 
to tell people there was 

1579
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:13,210
violence that happened outside. 
They were violence that happened

1580
01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:15,850
some parts of inside. 
They were people from the law 

1581
01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:18,650
enforcement end of it that were 
leaving certain areas where 

1582
01:16:18,650 --> 01:16:20,650
there was violence and going 
into areas where there was not 

1583
01:16:20,650 --> 01:16:23,180
violence. 
And so you have this mixture of 

1584
01:16:23,180 --> 01:16:25,740
people that are bringing sort of
their their experience from 

1585
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:29,100
somewhere else and they're cross
pollinating the fear and the 

1586
01:16:29,140 --> 01:16:32,540
adrenaline and the fatigue and 
the sweat and the and the panic.

1587
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:34,900
And they're walking into new 
environments where they're 

1588
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:36,460
expecting the same exact 
treatment. 

1589
01:16:36,460 --> 01:16:39,540
But those people have not seen 
why anybody would be scared or 

1590
01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:41,780
freaked out or carrying a rifle 
or any of those things. 

1591
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,100
That's the that's the melee and 
that's the sort of the fog of 

1592
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:47,700
war that happened in on January 
6th that that I think is. 

1593
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,200
Is it's that's the context. 
I've never heard it said just 

1594
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,400
that way, but that's the context
that is missing for most people.

1595
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,960
We had law enforcement officers 
leaving conflict into non 

1596
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,360
conflict and they brought 
conflict mindset into it. 

1597
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,080
Is that? 
Yeah. 

1598
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,560
Is that accurate? 
That's. 

1599
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,120
Toxic for the other guys who 
hadn't seen it because that you 

1600
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,840
saw the look of fear in these 
guys eyes who hadn't even 

1601
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,960
engaged in any sort of violence 
that day because it's it's like 

1602
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,120
a game of telephone and they 
come in and say like hey man, 

1603
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,720
it's really bad out there. 
And then the next thing you 

1604
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,200
know, three guys later down the 
line, it's like with shots were 

1605
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,050
fired. 
And we're having guys get, you 

1606
01:17:17,050 --> 01:17:19,890
know, losing their lives out 
there because that's just the 

1607
01:17:19,890 --> 01:17:21,330
human nature is just to spin 
thing. 

1608
01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:22,650
There's only one way to spend 
things. 

1609
01:17:22,650 --> 01:17:25,090
It's it's up. 
Right, for energy and everything

1610
01:17:25,090 --> 01:17:26,130
else. 
I want to say thanks to Kay 

1611
01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:27,930
Quiet for being a monthly 
supporter and just jumping on. 

1612
01:17:27,930 --> 01:17:31,250
We threw that on the screen. 
And also the desk 7790 for for 

1613
01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:33,850
the for the Rumble rant on there
about the information. 

1614
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:34,730
We're just going to keep doing 
it. 

1615
01:17:34,730 --> 01:17:35,890
We're going to keep sharing it 
with you guys. 

1616
01:17:35,890 --> 01:17:38,490
I'm going to let Steve go again.
Mr. Baker, continue on as you 

1617
01:17:38,490 --> 01:17:40,650
like. 
I I want to, I want to 

1618
01:17:40,650 --> 01:17:45,260
demonstrate how I can make a 
statement and this is not, this 

1619
01:17:45,260 --> 01:17:48,100
is not me saying, oh, Ken 
Harrelson testified that he had 

1620
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:51,460
not seen any violence. 
This is not me taking his word 

1621
01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:53,780
for granted or or you know, 
gospel truth. 

1622
01:17:54,900 --> 01:18:00,500
Ken Harrelson was sitting inside
the VIP section at the Ellipse 

1623
01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:06,740
as President Trump spoke with 
inside the security, the secret 

1624
01:18:06,740 --> 01:18:10,940
services, you know, security 
secured area that these 

1625
01:18:10,940 --> 01:18:14,690
oathkeepers were allowed and 
invited to be there and then 

1626
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:18,570
they were escorting their 
security detailees. 

1627
01:18:18,570 --> 01:18:22,410
I think he was escorting Dr. 
Simone Gold and a couple of 

1628
01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:25,170
other people that were going to 
be speaking and scheduled to 

1629
01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:30,130
speak at licensed permitted by 
the Capitol Police events and 

1630
01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:32,450
stages actually on the Capitol 
grounds. 

1631
01:18:32,530 --> 01:18:33,970
All right. 
Don't hear a lot of that from 

1632
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:35,770
the mainstream media. 
The fact that there were 

1633
01:18:35,770 --> 01:18:38,330
permitted events that were 
tolerated, that were expected, 

1634
01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:41,010
that were planned, that they had
PA set up and things like that 

1635
01:18:41,010 --> 01:18:44,250
because there was a reason. 
That people moved over to where 

1636
01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:46,930
the they went from the Ellipse, 
which is where President Trump 

1637
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:49,370
was speaking to the Capitol, 
where they were supposed to be a

1638
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:51,970
bunch of other speeches and you 
know, the rest of the rally, if 

1639
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:55,850
you will correct of course, that
all fell apart when the Raiders 

1640
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:59,250
of January 6th, you know, sent 
the whole thing into chaos. 

1641
01:18:59,650 --> 01:19:05,810
So we have, we have Washington 
DC traffic cams of Ken Harrelson

1642
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:10,370
escorting his, you know, his 
protectees through down the 

1643
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:13,860
streets over a mile that they're
walking through the streets of 

1644
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:15,820
DC. 
This is all captured from 1 

1645
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:18,060
camera to the next. 
And you can see him, he's he's, 

1646
01:19:18,140 --> 01:19:20,380
you know, he's he's actually 
trailing one of the keepers in 

1647
01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:21,860
front of them. 
He's behind them, they're 

1648
01:19:21,860 --> 01:19:23,620
marching them through thousands 
of people. 

1649
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:25,860
And you can see him he's he's 
doing his job. 

1650
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:27,980
I mean he's he's situationally 
aware. 

1651
01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:31,660
He knows what's going on. 
And so then they finally get to 

1652
01:19:31,660 --> 01:19:34,740
the Capitol. 
By the time they get there, they

1653
01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:38,370
had no idea that there had been 
multiple breaches already of the

1654
01:19:38,370 --> 01:19:40,090
property. 
It's not like these guys are on 

1655
01:19:40,090 --> 01:19:42,410
police scanner radios or 
catching any of the frequencies 

1656
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:44,050
coming out of there. 
So that's the thing that's also 

1657
01:19:44,770 --> 01:19:47,490
the lack of awareness is is so 
high at that point in a crowd. 

1658
01:19:48,130 --> 01:19:51,090
So they go to the section of the
Capitol grounds where they 

1659
01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:54,050
thought the stages were. 
In fact they almost all got it 

1660
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:55,370
wrong. 
I don't know what their the 

1661
01:19:55,370 --> 01:19:57,090
breakdown there was in the 
information. 

1662
01:19:57,330 --> 01:20:01,490
So he gets there with his his 
protectees and he's standing 

1663
01:20:01,490 --> 01:20:03,570
around with a couple of the 
other Oakkeepers, he lights up a

1664
01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:07,090
cigarette and he's and they're 
just kind of looking around. 

1665
01:20:07,660 --> 01:20:09,740
Trying to figure out where 
they're supposed to be and all 

1666
01:20:09,740 --> 01:20:12,420
of a sudden you see him kind of 
look over and he has this weird 

1667
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:15,180
look in his face and this is and
this is all captured on capital 

1668
01:20:15,860 --> 01:20:17,740
closed circuit television from 
the outside. 

1669
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:20,660
So these are Dome cameras, 
capture capturing this entire 

1670
01:20:20,660 --> 01:20:22,860
event, really good cameras 
because we got, we got good 

1671
01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:26,180
detail on it. 
And so then he sees something 

1672
01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:29,570
happen and he's kind of looking 
like really weird and he all of 

1673
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:33,570
a sudden he sees the crowd go 
through this bike rack barricade

1674
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:36,330
and then everybody's going up to
the steps. 

1675
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:38,890
Now you would think that that 
might be a signal, something 

1676
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:41,250
untoward, something nefarious, 
something wrong is happening. 

1677
01:20:41,410 --> 01:20:44,930
Except for that there were 
Flyers being passed around all 

1678
01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:48,050
over the Internet and publicly 
that there was going to be a 

1679
01:20:48,130 --> 01:20:54,010
rally on the steps. 
People were expecting the rally 

1680
01:20:54,010 --> 01:20:57,450
on the steps, so unless you were
one of those people shaking that

1681
01:20:57,450 --> 01:21:02,130
barricade and pushing it over, 
but if you were behind hundreds 

1682
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:04,810
or thousands of people, you had 
no idea why that was suddenly 

1683
01:21:04,810 --> 01:21:06,530
released. 
It's also. 

1684
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,000
Yeah. 
It's also worth pointing out 

1685
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,840
that so many people with this 
was their first time in 

1686
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,280
Washington, DC ever and they've 
never seen these protests. 

1687
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,280
I'm sure Steve is probably never
seen these protestee friends, 

1688
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,360
never been there and seen that. 
But what happens is you get 

1689
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,760
speakers on the steps, you get 
the rally out in front of the 

1690
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:19,760
steps. 
That's pretty common. 

1691
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,920
That happens regularly. 
We've seen pictures of that. 

1692
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,960
If you ever watch any of these 
members of Congress come out, 

1693
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,960
they'll give a press conference.
They're standing on the steps. 

1694
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:27,920
The press is either on the steps
or below. 

1695
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,600
But if you hear rally on the 
steps and you know nothing else,

1696
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,440
and you're from Iowa and you 
just came in to see your 

1697
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:34,640
nation's capital and you're 
pissed off because of what's 

1698
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,360
been going on. 
And the mindset then was 

1699
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:37,680
obviously very. 
Very volatile. 

1700
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,760
We're we're now seeing people 
March through. 

1701
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,000
I can see that, like, I mean 
that's how the government would 

1702
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,600
do a leaflet drop in Vietnam. 
They would drop in and they 

1703
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,080
would say exactly the thing they
want you to do. 

1704
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,920
There's a rally on the steps. 
You're going to go to the steps 

1705
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,400
and try to be there. 
That's what you're trying to 

1706
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,960
draw in. 
Not that I'm saying people are 

1707
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,640
trying to be disingenuous when 
they were talking about this 

1708
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,160
rally, but those words have 
meanings and it's just like the 

1709
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,520
transcript we talked about. 
Depending on the tone, depending

1710
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,880
on the context, depending on 
what lens you bring to it, you 

1711
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,840
may have no idea. 
You have no idea what that 

1712
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,850
means. 
That's exactly what happened. 

1713
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:07,410
So he looks over and he sees 
that there's all of a sudden 

1714
01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:11,490
this surge of people rushing 
towards the steps and he's like,

1715
01:22:11,610 --> 01:22:13,810
you know, he throws his 
cigarette down and and they walk

1716
01:22:13,810 --> 01:22:16,450
over him and one of the Oath 
Keepers are caught on a camera. 

1717
01:22:16,450 --> 01:22:21,650
They're calling him somebody's 
cell phone camera and and and 

1718
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:24,770
and then one of these infamous 
comments that have you know 

1719
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:28,040
former military person would say
he goes well look at there 

1720
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,640
they're storming the fucking 
capital la di da di da you know 

1721
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,720
and and of course that is used 
against him right in in the 

1722
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,720
trial but he's just making an 
observation for as a you know 

1723
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,200
retired army Sergeant you know 
that that kind of thing and. 

1724
01:22:45,730 --> 01:22:48,210
He didn't say we, he said they 
they he's. 

1725
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:52,210
Just making an observation and 
he said la di da di da, you 

1726
01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:54,330
know. 
Which, which tells you that that

1727
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:56,410
the level of seriousness that he
looked at it, it's the same 

1728
01:22:56,410 --> 01:22:58,690
thing as if you're watching on 
TV and you see someone tearing 

1729
01:22:58,690 --> 01:23:00,970
up like a downtown, but you live
in the suburbs and you're going,

1730
01:23:01,170 --> 01:23:03,170
oh, they're tearing up downtown 
again. 

1731
01:23:03,170 --> 01:23:05,530
Like, you know, I mean, that's 
the same kind of And that had 

1732
01:23:05,530 --> 01:23:07,370
just happened, by the way, for 
the full year before. 

1733
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:11,510
That's the other context. 
People have been crazy in DC, in

1734
01:23:11,710 --> 01:23:14,390
Minneapolis, in Seattle, in 
Portland and so on. 

1735
01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:16,950
Like, we just saw a lot of St. 
violence, and I'm sure that 

1736
01:23:17,310 --> 01:23:20,470
storming the capital sounds 
terrible to be, but but it's 

1737
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:22,830
like that's the next step of 
insanity in a country that was 

1738
01:23:22,830 --> 01:23:24,750
going nuts, right? 
I mean, didn't we all see that? 

1739
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:26,470
We we all forget it because it's
so easy? 

1740
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:29,750
Yeah. 
And now he's he's a significant 

1741
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:33,190
distance away so he doesn't see 
what's happening in those front 

1742
01:23:33,190 --> 01:23:36,280
lines. 
So he finally there's this huge 

1743
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,960
crowd up on the on the steps all
the way to the top. 

1744
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,360
And so he, you know and it's 
hard to I'm trying to try to 

1745
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,200
figure out how to do this and 
demonstrate to everybody. 

1746
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,800
So he, you know he starts 
walking up and he and a couple 

1747
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,040
of the other oathkeepers, they 
they get halfway up the the 

1748
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,360
deal. 
Now here's the platform up here 

1749
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,960
with the doorway and there's 
people up here now attacking law

1750
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:56,920
enforcement. 
Right. 

1751
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,600
Right. 
He's down here. 

1752
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,640
He has no eye shot up here 
whatsoever. 

1753
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,210
He can't see it. 
He's way down below. 

1754
01:24:04,610 --> 01:24:10,090
His head is like, down here. 
And then that famous stack of of

1755
01:24:10,090 --> 01:24:12,530
keepers arrived and they work 
their way up to the steps and 

1756
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:16,750
join him And one of the other of
keepers, it was already there. 

1757
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:20,030
And as the stack gets there, 
they're just all celebrating and

1758
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:21,430
they're singing the national 
anthem. 

1759
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:23,430
And Ken is like, I mean, he's 
pumped. 

1760
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:25,950
He's into it, you know, rockets,
red glare. 

1761
01:24:25,950 --> 01:24:27,910
And he's just, he's letting it, 
he's letting it go. 

1762
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:31,110
And it's a it's a huge 
celebratory moment. 

1763
01:24:31,390 --> 01:24:37,710
But while the national anthem is
being sung at the Columbus door,

1764
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:41,070
are a couple of cops getting the
hell beat out of them? 

1765
01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:45,740
And he can't see it. 
Multiples, I mean, yeah, later 

1766
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:48,620
on with all the cameras that we 
that we have there, we can see 

1767
01:24:48,620 --> 01:24:50,980
it. 
And they are getting drenched in

1768
01:24:50,980 --> 01:24:55,020
all manner of OC spray while the
peaceful people are down there, 

1769
01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:57,620
completely unaware and singing 
the national anthem and 

1770
01:24:57,620 --> 01:25:00,380
celebrating a bunch of, you 
know, Americans getting together

1771
01:25:00,380 --> 01:25:03,380
and letting their voices be 
heard at the Capitol. 

1772
01:25:03,460 --> 01:25:05,260
So there's there's two 
possibilities for this though. 

1773
01:25:05,260 --> 01:25:07,180
It's that there's a coordinated 
effort that we're going to do a 

1774
01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:08,660
distractive thing. 
We're going to sing the national

1775
01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:10,500
anthem and we're going to not be
an eyesight and then somebody 

1776
01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:12,100
else is going to beat the hell 
out of the team and we're going 

1777
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:14,300
to. 
Move in or the thing that you 

1778
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:16,300
and I have probably experienced.
I know you've covered other 

1779
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:18,380
protests and riots that have 
gone sideways and things like 

1780
01:25:18,380 --> 01:25:19,740
that. 
And seeing crowds get out of 

1781
01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:22,740
hand that you are in a crowd and
you are basically immediately 

1782
01:25:22,740 --> 01:25:24,620
focused on the things around you
and you have no idea what's 

1783
01:25:24,620 --> 01:25:26,580
happening 20 feet away because 
that happens all the time. 

1784
01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:28,940
No chance. 
And not only not only 20 feet 

1785
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:33,380
away, completely totally 
obscured sideline. 

1786
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:35,620
By the by the curvature of of 
what's going on or the the 

1787
01:25:35,660 --> 01:25:39,720
topography, the steps. 
Yeah, yeah and so, so finally 

1788
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:46,160
after the national anthem has 
sung 180 to 100 protesters 

1789
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,080
inside the capitol, the outside 
people never breached the 

1790
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,920
Capitol. 
Even the guys with all the OC 

1791
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,280
spray and beating the cops up 
and everything, they never 

1792
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,600
breached the Capitol because you
can't get in from the outside. 

1793
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,400
It's impossible. 
And those doors don't open that 

1794
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,920
way anyway. 
They open from the end side come

1795
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,590
out. 
And So what it ended up 

1796
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:08,790
happening is between 80 and 100 
protesters that had already 

1797
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:12,270
breached the West Side came 
through and started pressing 

1798
01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:15,310
against that door, ultimately 
forced it open. 

1799
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:18,870
And then people started going 
inside. 

1800
01:26:19,630 --> 01:26:24,270
And then all of a sudden Ken 
Harrelson, you know, who was 

1801
01:26:24,270 --> 01:26:28,510
doing his protective detail, he 
looks over his shoulder and they

1802
01:26:28,510 --> 01:26:32,340
start moving up with the crowd. 
They get to the top having never

1803
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:34,620
seen how or why those doors were
opened. 

1804
01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:40,740
There's just a big old gigantic 
famous Columbus doors on the 

1805
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:42,820
east side of the Capitol and 
people are moving in by the 

1806
01:26:42,820 --> 01:26:44,860
hundreds and they joined that 
crowd and they went in. 

1807
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:48,920
And so that was a long way of 
setting up and going back to his

1808
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,760
first meeting with Harry Dunn at
2:44 PM. 

1809
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,840
So what ended up happened is he 
rounds the corner into that 

1810
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,720
speaker's lobby area. 
At the exact same time, this 

1811
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,320
agitated cop with an automatic 
rifle arrives at the top and and

1812
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:08,320
Ken being an oathkeeper, he 
looks over at him out of 

1813
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,340
concern. 
He's like, what's up and done 

1814
01:27:11,340 --> 01:27:13,620
again is screaming four letter 
words, he says. 

1815
01:27:13,620 --> 01:27:17,500
They're killing us down there. 
They're they're carrying us off 

1816
01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:21,820
on stretchers by the dozens. 
Now this is what he said about 

1817
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:23,540
what's happening to law 
enforcement. 

1818
01:27:23,820 --> 01:27:26,420
They're carrying us off on 
stretchers by the dozens. 

1819
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:31,780
This is captured on video. 
On stretchers by the dozens. 

1820
01:27:32,060 --> 01:27:33,860
Yeah, you know how many law 
enforcement officers were 

1821
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:35,300
carried off in a stretcher that 
day? 

1822
01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:38,380
I don't know if there were any. 
Were there zero? 

1823
01:27:38,420 --> 01:27:40,260
Yeah, I've never seen that video
footage. 

1824
01:27:40,620 --> 01:27:41,700
I think that would. 
Here's the thing. 

1825
01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:44,260
This is how I know that the that
the N word wasn't caught, you 

1826
01:27:44,260 --> 01:27:46,820
know, wasn't yelled at him over 
and over again because this was 

1827
01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:49,380
one of the most video days. 
They would have found that video

1828
01:27:49,380 --> 01:27:50,980
right away. 
They would have found stretchers

1829
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:53,540
and cops being carried off like 
it was a Vietnam, you know, 

1830
01:27:53,540 --> 01:27:55,580
mashed tent. 
And that would have been on 

1831
01:27:55,580 --> 01:27:57,940
constant replete for the last 
two years about how The Dirty, 

1832
01:27:57,940 --> 01:28:00,380
dirty, horrible Trump 
insurrectionists were going 

1833
01:28:00,380 --> 01:28:02,860
after us and they were killing 
cops or putting him in the 

1834
01:28:02,860 --> 01:28:04,760
hospital. 
And well, the way that they had 

1835
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,440
the film production crew help 
with the January 6th Committee, 

1836
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,440
I was kind of surprised that 
they didn't put that audio in 

1837
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,160
there. 
Well, you would think so. 

1838
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,720
So if it existed, it would be 
there. 

1839
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:15,640
It would be. 
That's right. 

1840
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,680
So all of the sudden you have 
this oathkeeper, this distressed

1841
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:24,160
officer, who's telling him that 
his comrades, his colleagues are

1842
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,680
being carried off by the dozens 
on stretchers and Ken's only 

1843
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,600
response was really? 
Right. 

1844
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,040
Because he hasn't experienced 
any of it. 

1845
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,520
Yeah. 
And so he So Ken immediately 

1846
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,760
goes and grabs three other 
Oathkeepers and says, hey guys, 

1847
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,640
you got to come over here, you 
got to help us. 

1848
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:46,480
And so they formed a line 
between Dunn and and this. 

1849
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:50,040
And again, we have photography. 
We have photography of Ken with 

1850
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,160
his arms outstretched, holding 
out agitated protesters from 

1851
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,360
this agitated, distressed cop 
behind him with an M4 rifle. 

1852
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,240
And. 
And the Oathkeepers form this 

1853
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,120
line and deescalate like both 
sides of that situation. 

1854
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:06,520
Oh, they. 
Mean like they said they did, 

1855
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:09,520
just exactly like they said they
did. 

1856
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,880
We show you know Kelly Megs is a
big guy too and and he he 

1857
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:19,080
there's another scene where he 
is interposing his big body in 

1858
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,880
between and he's pushing a 
protesters back and Dunn is back

1859
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,560
here looking over Megs's 
shoulder. 

1860
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:31,630
Megs isn't interacting with him.
He's having no contentious, you 

1861
01:29:31,630 --> 01:29:36,710
know violent or otherwise 
interchange with Harry Dunn. 

1862
01:29:36,990 --> 01:29:40,550
He's protecting Harry Dunn and 
he's protecting that crowd from 

1863
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:44,910
Harry Dunn. 
And that's what really happened 

1864
01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:50,230
over the course of that next 5 
or 6 minutes while Special Agent

1865
01:29:50,230 --> 01:29:55,680
Lazarus was now working his way 
back from the Senate office 

1866
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,680
buildings in the tunnels, 
working his way back to the 

1867
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:03,520
building. 
And the long version short is, 

1868
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,680
and this is detailed in my 
story, which obviously want 

1869
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,560
everybody to go to The Blaze and
read this story, yeah. 

1870
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,480
Let me make sure we get that 
pulled up in just a second here.

1871
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:10,480
That's the one thing I did not 
grab. 

1872
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:11,880
So I'm going to do that while 
you're talking. 

1873
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:17,120
What we want everyone to 
understand is that when Agent 

1874
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,280
Lazarus, who testified that he 
saw this contentious interaction

1875
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:26,480
between the Oathkeepers and 
Harry Dunn three or four times, 

1876
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:33,680
is that he did not arrive at 
those stairs until 3 1/2 minutes

1877
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:39,840
after all of Keepers were gone, 
and it's irrefutable. 

1878
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:43,870
It's 100% there is no mistake. 
Yeah, so here's the here's the 

1879
01:30:43,870 --> 01:30:45,390
piece folks. 
You can go see this at the 

1880
01:30:45,390 --> 01:30:48,030
Blaze. 
This is the the website is going

1881
01:30:48,030 --> 01:30:50,070
to be. 
Let me just read it off to you. 

1882
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:53,990
It is theblaze.com/columns. 
You can go look for Steve Baker 

1883
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:55,310
and you'll find this from 
October 4th. 

1884
01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:56,790
It should be pretty easy for you
guys to find. 

1885
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:58,470
We'll throw it in the chat. 
If you're in the live chat right

1886
01:30:58,470 --> 01:31:00,230
now, we really appreciate it. 
Make sure you're hitting the 

1887
01:31:00,230 --> 01:31:01,430
thumbs up if you like what 
you're hearing. 

1888
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:04,350
What I want to do is get a a 
broader context too. 

1889
01:31:04,350 --> 01:31:05,230
If you would. 
What? 

1890
01:31:05,230 --> 01:31:07,990
What does all this mean, Mr. 
Baker? 

1891
01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:13,290
Well, what it what it means is, 
is that our government itself 

1892
01:31:13,290 --> 01:31:19,570
has participated in the actual 
creation of a false narrative 

1893
01:31:19,570 --> 01:31:28,010
specifically to indict, charge, 
imprison innocent Americans for 

1894
01:31:28,010 --> 01:31:31,850
the purpose of establishing and 
preserving a political 

1895
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:34,530
narrative. 
Is that not the scariest thing 

1896
01:31:34,530 --> 01:31:37,450
that we can imagine in in 
America that theoretically is 

1897
01:31:37,450 --> 01:31:39,810
home of the free and a 
Democratic Republic. 

1898
01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:42,610
This is, this is an existential 
threat. 

1899
01:31:43,330 --> 01:31:46,410
I I told that to Glenn Beck on 
on the radio two days ago when 

1900
01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:49,610
we released this story. 
I said that's the overarching 

1901
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:52,090
problem is that we're looking at
here in the. 

1902
01:31:52,170 --> 01:31:57,290
And the most frightening aspect 
is that when you know I come 

1903
01:31:57,290 --> 01:32:01,020
from a libertarian background, 
to me the only moral function of

1904
01:32:01,220 --> 01:32:05,300
any government agency is to 
protect its citizens from force 

1905
01:32:05,300 --> 01:32:09,100
and fraud. 
But now it is government 

1906
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:14,620
bringing force and fraud against
its own citizens and there's no 

1907
01:32:14,620 --> 01:32:17,900
clearer example and we have them
dead the rights. 

1908
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:20,260
And that's why I was saying in 
the lead up when I was started, 

1909
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:24,670
when I started teasing this 
story 2-3 months ago, I actually

1910
01:32:24,670 --> 01:32:27,350
said on some interview, I don't 
remember which one it was. 

1911
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:31,590
I said we have the kill shot and
what I meant by that was you 

1912
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:36,470
said that I had the yeah the 
absolute evidence of a federal 

1913
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:40,110
agency bringing false evidence 
itself. 

1914
01:32:40,110 --> 01:32:42,550
Is it this isn't this isn't an 
accident. 

1915
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:45,950
This isn't a misremembering of 
of an event. 

1916
01:32:46,370 --> 01:32:49,490
This was a deliberate, 
purposeful sitting down, 

1917
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:51,450
creating a narrative, writing a 
script. 

1918
01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:54,450
We got to clean this up and we 
need you to do this. 

1919
01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:57,810
And oh by the way, you're you're
Pelosi's head of security, so 

1920
01:32:57,810 --> 01:33:00,870
we'll be able to protect you. 
Right. 

1921
01:33:01,190 --> 01:33:04,350
I want to have Mr. Friend 
reflect on that as my kind of 

1922
01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:06,710
cohost here who's just been 
passively observing. 

1923
01:33:06,710 --> 01:33:09,390
I know Steve is a very good 
listener and has an astute mind 

1924
01:33:09,390 --> 01:33:11,550
that is clicking on this. 
I also want to say something 

1925
01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:14,190
that is I got me and Ryan kind 
of a Twitter on the background. 

1926
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:16,990
We run the show. 
We do the show five days a week.

1927
01:33:16,990 --> 01:33:20,070
We do this all the time. 
We have a production that we do.

1928
01:33:20,230 --> 01:33:22,230
There's certain things that are 
our graphics and so on. 

1929
01:33:22,350 --> 01:33:24,950
Ryan, can you pull up the, the 
thumb up that just popped up the

1930
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:27,710
ghost thumb that that showed up 
on the screen that we don't 

1931
01:33:27,710 --> 01:33:29,310
understand where it came from. 
You have that. 

1932
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:31,920
This just popped up on our 
screen. 

1933
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,720
There was a there was a ghost 
thumb that popped up while you 

1934
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,920
were speaking. 
Steve Baker. 

1935
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,560
I have no idea where that came 
from. 

1936
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,280
Neither one of us has that 
graphic. 

1937
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,520
Neither one of us has the 
ability to trigger that graphic.

1938
01:33:42,010 --> 01:33:44,730
So that's really fun. 
Either Rumble wants you guys to 

1939
01:33:44,730 --> 01:33:46,890
say thumbs up as well and make 
sure you click that that like 

1940
01:33:46,890 --> 01:33:49,050
button and it says it shows 
green. 

1941
01:33:49,410 --> 01:33:52,170
Or we have additional 
participants in our stream, 

1942
01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:53,810
which is very interesting and 
they're favorable. 

1943
01:33:53,810 --> 01:33:56,650
They also agree thumbs up. 
So that's that's one of the 

1944
01:33:56,650 --> 01:33:58,330
weirdest things I know. 
Halloween's coming up. 

1945
01:33:58,330 --> 01:34:00,170
That's a little spooky. 
It just made my skin crawl a 

1946
01:34:00,170 --> 01:34:02,450
little bit because we were both.
He goes you're screwing with me.

1947
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:04,050
And I was like, no, I have no 
idea where that came from. 

1948
01:34:04,050 --> 01:34:06,690
He goes, I'm not buying it. 
I have no idea where that thumbs

1949
01:34:06,690 --> 01:34:08,730
up came from, folks. 
Very, very weird. 

1950
01:34:08,730 --> 01:34:11,130
And if you watch our show, 
you've never seen that graphic 

1951
01:34:11,130 --> 01:34:12,460
before. 
What do you think? 

1952
01:34:12,460 --> 01:34:15,260
Right. 
That's bizarre, man. 

1953
01:34:15,260 --> 01:34:17,340
I swear I thought that was you. 
I thought you were messing with 

1954
01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:18,260
me. 
I'm like, there's no way. 

1955
01:34:18,260 --> 01:34:20,140
I'm like, wow, Kyle's getting 
really good at throwing up these

1956
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:21,460
thumbs. 
I'm like, where did he make that

1957
01:34:21,460 --> 01:34:22,540
at? 
I thought you were really 

1958
01:34:22,540 --> 01:34:25,860
getting, getting good at this. 
It is so, so strange, folks, If 

1959
01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:28,140
you missed out on on watching 
our rumble channel, you missed 

1960
01:34:28,140 --> 01:34:31,140
that, which was very odd. 
All right, let let me let me let

1961
01:34:31,140 --> 01:34:33,700
Steve Friend respond to what 
you've been hearing and what it 

1962
01:34:33,700 --> 01:34:35,780
kind of means. 
Your initial whistleblower 

1963
01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:39,220
allegations were problems with 
J6 enforcement actions. 

1964
01:34:39,650 --> 01:34:41,570
This kind of broadens out the 
scope in a big way, I think. 

1965
01:34:42,570 --> 01:34:43,330
It does. 
It does. 

1966
01:34:43,330 --> 01:34:44,610
I mean, I was talking last 
night. 

1967
01:34:45,010 --> 01:34:47,330
I view January 6. 
You have to view it through two 

1968
01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:49,730
separate lenses. 
Left of boom and right of boom. 

1969
01:34:49,730 --> 01:34:51,810
Left of boom would be like 
everything that led up to the 

1970
01:34:51,810 --> 01:34:53,730
day and actually the day itself,
the boom. 

1971
01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:56,370
It's a being, like the explosion
or the event. 

1972
01:34:56,770 --> 01:34:58,810
And then Right of Boom would be 
the investigation, everything I 

1973
01:34:58,810 --> 01:35:00,810
sued. 
All of my concerns that I 

1974
01:35:00,810 --> 01:35:02,250
brought forward were right of 
Boom. 

1975
01:35:02,250 --> 01:35:05,250
It was the way that the FBI was 
manipulating its stats, the way 

1976
01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:08,090
that it was violating civil 
liberties and deny people their 

1977
01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:11,050
due process rights and then 
using heavy-handed tactics to 

1978
01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:13,930
bring them into custody. 
So everything that that happened

1979
01:35:13,930 --> 01:35:16,290
was downstream of this day 
itself. 

1980
01:35:17,210 --> 01:35:20,490
I'm mostly disturbed by what 
Steve Baker brought to the fold 

1981
01:35:20,490 --> 01:35:24,690
because he's he's laid out this 
plot that is completely 

1982
01:35:24,690 --> 01:35:26,450
reasonable. 
And it's it's not. 

1983
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,280
You know, off off the wall or 
anything like that. 

1984
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:29,920
You, you. 
And he has the goods. 

1985
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,320
He has the receipts. 
And it involves people from the 

1986
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:39,160
DOJ, from the United States 
Attorney's office, the FBI, the 

1987
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:46,080
Capitol Police, the judge, 
federal defense attorneys that 

1988
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,040
didn't just didn't catch these 
things. 

1989
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:53,000
All all different components of 
a system that is supposed to 

1990
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,340
operate with Lady Justice. 
Blindfold over her eyes. 

1991
01:35:57,540 --> 01:36:01,420
So the scales are equal for 
everyone and instead they all 

1992
01:36:01,420 --> 01:36:06,500
coordinated their efforts to 
drive home and they just viewed 

1993
01:36:06,700 --> 01:36:13,300
innocent Americans as an 
opportunity or vulnerable that 

1994
01:36:13,300 --> 01:36:18,540
they could benefit from, be it 
financially, politically and and

1995
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:22,380
now that that happens, our 
social compact is completely 

1996
01:36:22,380 --> 01:36:24,260
broken. 
My. 

1997
01:36:24,860 --> 01:36:27,540
My son, my oldest son is 
actually in the process of 

1998
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,540
learning the Declaration of 
Independence, the actual 

1999
01:36:29,540 --> 01:36:31,940
preamble. 
So he he's being tested on it 

2000
01:36:31,940 --> 01:36:33,460
today. 
So he's got the first few 

2001
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:34,740
sentences. 
We hold these truths to be 

2002
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:36,340
self-evident. 
All men are created equal. 

2003
01:36:36,580 --> 01:36:40,020
They are endowed by the Creator 
with certain unalienable rights,

2004
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:42,100
life, liberty, pursuit of 
happiness. 

2005
01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:47,780
The next part of that is that we
we institute government to 

2006
01:36:47,780 --> 01:36:50,660
protect these rights. 
That's the social compact. 

2007
01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:54,340
And it's very clear to me that 
our government is willing and 

2008
01:36:54,340 --> 01:36:58,020
able to break that because it's 
not going to protect your life 

2009
01:36:58,540 --> 01:37:01,180
or your liberty or your pursuit 
of happiness. 

2010
01:37:02,620 --> 01:37:05,620
So that's really sobering. 
I had somebody on Twitter say 

2011
01:37:05,620 --> 01:37:06,940
that I've. 
I've seen a lot of what Kyle 

2012
01:37:06,940 --> 01:37:09,020
Seraphin says and I've never 
seen him out over his skis. 

2013
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:11,500
And we try not to be the the 
wild voices. 

2014
01:37:11,500 --> 01:37:13,860
We try not to say things that we
can't get behind and and 

2015
01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:15,700
document. 
We try to say things that are 

2016
01:37:15,700 --> 01:37:18,260
sober, that are saying that are 
representing a balance. 

2017
01:37:18,260 --> 01:37:19,700
There's a nuanced perspective on
the world. 

2018
01:37:19,700 --> 01:37:21,380
I don't know anything that's 
black or anything that's all 

2019
01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:22,700
white. 
It's always somewhere in the 

2020
01:37:22,700 --> 01:37:23,780
Gray. 
And we live that way. 

2021
01:37:23,780 --> 01:37:25,540
I'm actually wearing Gray today 
that's actually appropriate. 

2022
01:37:26,300 --> 01:37:27,980
Yet another one of those fun 
coincidences. 

2023
01:37:28,460 --> 01:37:30,340
And Steve Baker, one of the 
things that you're wearing Gray 

2024
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:32,660
as well, you're a darker Gray. 
There's multiple Shades of Grey.

2025
01:37:32,660 --> 01:37:34,340
We got at least like 8 Shades of
Grey on here. 

2026
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:36,500
No big deal. 
And and let me throw this out 

2027
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:37,620
there. 
Are we all wearing Gray? 

2028
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:40,620
Is that really? 
That is so strange. 

2029
01:37:40,860 --> 01:37:43,900
All right, so there you go, 
It's. 244 Man 244. 

2030
01:37:43,900 --> 01:37:46,620
It's 244. 
All the things combined. 

2031
01:37:47,380 --> 01:37:49,940
Steve Baker, one of the first 
things that you said that I 

2032
01:37:49,940 --> 01:37:52,540
found, I I told you that my 
impression is that the January 

2033
01:37:52,540 --> 01:37:55,220
6th and the way we view it in 
this country, we'll call it 

2034
01:37:55,220 --> 01:38:00,060
right of boom, as Steve said, is
a American Rorschach test. 

2035
01:38:00,750 --> 01:38:03,870
And it when you look at it, it 
tells you the way that you see 

2036
01:38:03,870 --> 01:38:06,390
the rest of the country going. 
You told me you thought it was 

2037
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:09,950
the most successful political 
messaging campaign in American 

2038
01:38:09,950 --> 01:38:13,150
history. 
I'd like you to expound upon 

2039
01:38:13,150 --> 01:38:15,190
that based on what we're talking
about right now because you 

2040
01:38:15,190 --> 01:38:16,670
obviously have more facts than 
you did then. 

2041
01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:21,830
Yeah, I I believe it more than 
when I said that to you the 

2042
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:25,630
first time. 
The going back to the House 

2043
01:38:25,630 --> 01:38:29,270
Select Committee and all of the 
celebrations and I shouldn't say

2044
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:33,030
celebrations, but remembrances 
and commemorations leading up 

2045
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:36,750
to, for instance, the 1st 
anniversary of January 6th. 

2046
01:38:36,750 --> 01:38:42,230
Well Nancy Pelosi and the first 
week of January of 22, the one 

2047
01:38:42,230 --> 01:38:48,190
year after the event, she 
launched a series of events that

2048
01:38:48,190 --> 01:38:51,870
way that week leading up to the 
the one year anniversary of the 

2049
01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:53,750
event. 
And these were commemorative 

2050
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:55,710
events. 
And when she opened the very 

2051
01:38:55,710 --> 01:38:58,670
first one, it was a discussion 
with some historians, you know 

2052
01:38:59,670 --> 01:39:02,150
Doris Kearns and a couple of 
other historians that were in 

2053
01:39:02,150 --> 01:39:04,950
this panel. 
And she opened that by saying 

2054
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:07,590
the reason why we're having 
these events this week and 

2055
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:12,070
ultimately the launching of the 
investigative Select Committee 

2056
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:16,070
is, and this is an exact quote 
from Pelosi herself, she said 

2057
01:39:16,270 --> 01:39:22,230
this is to establish and 
preserve the narrative of 

2058
01:39:22,230 --> 01:39:26,270
January 6th, quote UN quote, 
anybody can Google it right now,

2059
01:39:26,750 --> 01:39:27,550
established. 
Right. 

2060
01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:32,030
Yes, they do, she said the quiet
part out loud. 

2061
01:39:32,830 --> 01:39:36,470
And what ended up happening was 
she said that over and over that

2062
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:39,070
week. 
Many times she repeated that 

2063
01:39:39,070 --> 01:39:44,300
phrase. 
And So what we saw of course 

2064
01:39:44,300 --> 01:39:46,300
from the committee was exactly 
that. 

2065
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:49,180
It was an establishment of a 
narrative, just even the little 

2066
01:39:49,180 --> 01:39:52,100
Josh Halle clip that was an 
establishment of a narrative. 

2067
01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:55,260
And what was captured though on 
January 6th. 

2068
01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:59,340
Now this was you can call it the
biggest mega mistake of you know

2069
01:39:59,820 --> 01:40:02,900
of that whole era that we have 
lived through. 

2070
01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:05,820
You can you can call it whatever
you want to. 

2071
01:40:05,820 --> 01:40:08,860
But the net result, whichever 
side of the boom that we're 

2072
01:40:08,860 --> 01:40:12,260
talking about here is, is that 
there was a capturing in the of 

2073
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:16,180
a narrative that I. 
I believe was more significant 

2074
01:40:16,260 --> 01:40:21,860
to the development and direction
of how this country was going to

2075
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:27,980
be steered by those in power, 
whether they created it or not. 

2076
01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:29,980
It doesn't matter whether they 
created it. 

2077
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:31,940
Turns out it's the same as the 
lab lake, right? 

2078
01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:32,780
Right, right. 
It doesn't. 

2079
01:40:32,780 --> 01:40:34,260
It doesn't matter. 
It doesn't matter. 

2080
01:40:34,900 --> 01:40:38,540
But what the point is, is that I
go all the way back. 

2081
01:40:38,540 --> 01:40:42,560
I think if I go back to the 
Great Depression, all right, 

2082
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,520
didn't matter whether the the 
Great Depression was a 

2083
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,520
conspiracy and manipulated and 
and thrust upon the world or 

2084
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,000
not. 
But as a result of that, what 

2085
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,280
did government do? 
It was able to take advantage 

2086
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:58,110
and it was able to implement a 
social welfare state that was 

2087
01:40:58,110 --> 01:41:02,030
never intended for this 
particular country and and then 

2088
01:41:02,030 --> 01:41:04,910
that has grown into this 
leviathan that we, you know, 

2089
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:07,750
that we see today and $33 
trillion in debt, blah blah, 

2090
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:10,310
blah. 
So, But that all happened as a 

2091
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:13,710
result of the people saying 
we're starving. 

2092
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:15,910
Help us. 
That's that's Cloward, Piven. 

2093
01:41:16,110 --> 01:41:18,030
That's what that is, the Cloward
pivot strategy. 

2094
01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:20,030
If you guys are not familiar, we
talking on the show every once 

2095
01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:22,590
in a while, but it's essentially
overwhelmed the local area 

2096
01:41:22,590 --> 01:41:26,210
overload some system. 
And then beg for federal 

2097
01:41:26,210 --> 01:41:27,410
assistance to come in and stop 
it. 

2098
01:41:27,610 --> 01:41:30,250
And So what we're talking about 
in this case is things are 

2099
01:41:30,250 --> 01:41:31,890
crazy. 
Someone's got to do something. 

2100
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:34,210
The do something always ends up 
with federal government that 

2101
01:41:34,210 --> 01:41:35,810
never dies. 
It's eternal life on earth. 

2102
01:41:36,370 --> 01:41:39,850
Yeah problem reaction solution 
scenario is what they you 

2103
01:41:39,850 --> 01:41:42,730
distill that down into and this 
is exactly what took place on 

2104
01:41:42,730 --> 01:41:46,450
January 6th. 
I think that those who did allow

2105
01:41:46,450 --> 01:41:50,170
it to happen because let's make 
no mistake I'm I'm still I'm 

2106
01:41:50,170 --> 01:41:53,730
still not on team fed surrection
okay. 

2107
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:57,750
I am still on team as it 
developed. 

2108
01:41:58,790 --> 01:42:02,870
The people in the command center
at the US Capitol with 1700 

2109
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:05,550
cameras watching everything as 
it developed. 

2110
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:10,750
And the people who on the other 
side of the boom three days 

2111
01:42:10,750 --> 01:42:15,350
before did not pass the 
intelligence up to Chief Sond? 

2112
01:42:16,170 --> 01:42:18,530
Yep, about what they knew was 
coming that day. 

2113
01:42:18,610 --> 01:42:21,290
You're saying you they saw an 
opportunity and they saw an 

2114
01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:23,130
opportunity and they allow it to
take place? 

2115
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:25,690
You don't need to plan it, Ryan,
if you'll permit me this for 

2116
01:42:25,690 --> 01:42:28,490
just a second, both you guys, 
gentlemen, the whole idea that 

2117
01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:31,330
whether it was a COVID Lab 
league or whether it was a 

2118
01:42:31,330 --> 01:42:33,930
planned event or, you know, 
virus released on the population

2119
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:36,530
is sort of irrelevant. 
Because the way that the Chinese

2120
01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:40,090
work is you have Plan A, BC&D 
and if it happens that something

2121
01:42:40,090 --> 01:42:42,370
happens, you're like, oh, we 
didn't plan to let that out, but

2122
01:42:42,370 --> 01:42:45,250
like let's go with Plan C, let 
all those people travel, you 

2123
01:42:45,250 --> 01:42:47,130
know, let all this thing go. 
Around lock down things 

2124
01:42:47,130 --> 01:42:49,450
internally. 
You can execute plan C without 

2125
01:42:49,450 --> 01:42:53,610
having planned the initial the 
initial event that initiated 

2126
01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:55,730
that plan. 
And in the same way I I am, I'm 

2127
01:42:55,730 --> 01:42:58,450
more of that nuanced take. 
I don't think I know the FBI 

2128
01:42:58,450 --> 01:43:00,370
didn't plan it, at least not at 
the Washington field office 

2129
01:43:00,370 --> 01:43:02,410
because they were caught 
flatfooted and they weren't able

2130
01:43:02,410 --> 01:43:04,690
to respond to it very well. 
And I didn't get a phone call 

2131
01:43:04,690 --> 01:43:07,570
saying you know they let me take
leave on that day and I was out 

2132
01:43:07,570 --> 01:43:10,210
in Maryland and if they wanted 
people to go run down the bad 

2133
01:43:10,210 --> 01:43:12,290
guys, that's what my team did. 
We would have been the guys that

2134
01:43:12,290 --> 01:43:14,210
would have been watching and we 
weren't on standby at all. 

2135
01:43:14,490 --> 01:43:16,860
I was allowed to be away. 
So I know that they didn't have 

2136
01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:18,660
that planning, at least at the 
Washington field office. 

2137
01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:20,500
And I don't think the national 
assets were ready either. 

2138
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:22,740
But it doesn't mean that they 
weren't ready to execute Plan B 

2139
01:43:22,740 --> 01:43:25,620
or C should something go wrong. 
And there was at least some 

2140
01:43:25,620 --> 01:43:27,820
probability, maybe a high 
probability, that something 

2141
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:29,460
would go wrong. 
Obviously it did. 

2142
01:43:29,740 --> 01:43:31,580
So I think, I think that's the 
nuanced take on it. 

2143
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:34,340
I think it's important that we, 
you know, we're saying one thing

2144
01:43:34,340 --> 01:43:36,100
without saying the other thing. 
You don't have to go all the way

2145
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:38,460
down the rabbit hole to know 
that something went wrong. 

2146
01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:41,500
And it was at least eight in the
bed after it started going that 

2147
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:45,300
way by a group that should have 
been otherwise inclined to stop 

2148
01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:47,500
it. 
Let me let me tell you how I 

2149
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:51,300
know that it was in fact aided 
and vetted one of the videos 

2150
01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:53,340
that we discovered and I was 
actually there when it was 

2151
01:43:53,340 --> 01:43:54,700
found. 
I was sitting next to Joe 

2152
01:43:54,700 --> 01:43:58,460
Hanneman from the Epic times. 
He was sitting in the console 

2153
01:43:58,460 --> 01:44:02,100
chair to my right on our first 
three days that we we we were 

2154
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:06,780
actually there together and and 
he found a video because he was 

2155
01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:10,340
he was tracking Oathkeeper 
founder Stewart Rhodes through 

2156
01:44:10,340 --> 01:44:13,980
the crowd and at one point and 
this was a big moment in the 

2157
01:44:13,980 --> 01:44:17,100
trial. 
One of the accusations that the 

2158
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:23,220
FBI made in them is that they 
had a minute and a half phone 

2159
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:27,580
call from Stuart Rhodes to Kelly
Megs which in which they claim 

2160
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:30,260
they have no recording of it. 
They just say they believe that 

2161
01:44:30,260 --> 01:44:33,100
the connection was made and that
it was at that moment that 

2162
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:37,460
Stuart Rhodes ordered Kelly Megs
to lead the Oath Keepers in and 

2163
01:44:37,460 --> 01:44:41,580
to establish the stronghold 
storm, the capital stop the 

2164
01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:46,700
election, etcetera, etcetera. 
Based on the fact that there was

2165
01:44:46,700 --> 01:44:49,660
a signal, you know, that they 
captured in in this Geo fencing 

2166
01:44:49,660 --> 01:44:51,900
thing, although they have no 
recording of the call. 

2167
01:44:52,220 --> 01:44:56,700
So what ended up happening is 
Joe Hanneman found a place out 

2168
01:44:56,700 --> 01:45:00,300
on the Capitol Terrace because 
roads never went inside the 

2169
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:01,600
building. 
And he's holding up. 

2170
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,200
You know, like you do when you 
can't get a signal. 

2171
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,400
We all kind of stupidly hold our
phone up in the air. 

2172
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,000
If only you had two more feet of
arm you could get that right. 

2173
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,000
Exactly. 
We would have a signal And so 

2174
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,440
he's trying and he and he can't 
you know he can't get keep or 

2175
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,760
establish a signal, whatever. 
And at one point he wanders. 

2176
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:20,000
Now he's being he's being seen 
from a capital closed circuit 

2177
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,680
television camera. 
That's a fixed camera. 

2178
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,880
This is not a remote control. 
There are some cameras. 

2179
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:29,490
They had remote control over 
both zoom and position and and 

2180
01:45:29,490 --> 01:45:32,810
so and so and when we're 
watching this, we can see what 

2181
01:45:32,810 --> 01:45:35,050
the capital command Center is 
looking at because we can see 

2182
01:45:35,050 --> 01:45:37,410
when they're zooming and when 
they're when they're zooming out

2183
01:45:37,730 --> 01:45:43,010
and checking a circumstance out.
At one point Stewart Rhodes 

2184
01:45:43,090 --> 01:45:49,530
walks out of the camera frame 
and then all of a sudden a 

2185
01:45:49,530 --> 01:45:54,780
gloved hand comes up on the 
camera and adjusts it over and 

2186
01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:56,860
puts roads back into the camera 
frame. 

2187
01:45:58,300 --> 01:46:05,620
Somebody received a radio call 
from command and said follow 

2188
01:46:06,380 --> 01:46:08,820
push the camera over so we can 
watch what he's doing. 

2189
01:46:10,260 --> 01:46:12,620
That's wild. 
And how do you pick that guy out

2190
01:46:12,620 --> 01:46:14,060
of? 
How do you pick that guy out of 

2191
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:16,020
that crowd? 
That's big? 

2192
01:46:16,220 --> 01:46:17,140
That's big. 
That means. 

2193
01:46:17,500 --> 01:46:20,420
That means they were tracking 
him the entire time. 

2194
01:46:20,980 --> 01:46:27,590
And more importantly, if they 
thought that the Oathkeepers 

2195
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:32,590
were heavily armed and we're 
going to harm Congress members 

2196
01:46:33,230 --> 01:46:37,510
and we're going to stop the 
alleged the Electoral College 

2197
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:43,950
certification and we're going to
lead, as presented by the 

2198
01:46:43,950 --> 01:46:49,630
prosecution, an armed storming 
of the Capitol, why in the world

2199
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:52,470
were they allowed to even come 
across the river? 

2200
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:54,980
Right. 
Stop and frisk. 

2201
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:56,620
Probable cause. 
Stop. 

2202
01:46:56,620 --> 01:46:59,380
Find out any reason for state 
police on the Virginia side or 

2203
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:03,100
Metro PD to do a, you know, PC 
stop on them and and check the 

2204
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:04,180
cars. 
All the kind of things could 

2205
01:47:04,180 --> 01:47:05,340
have done. 
There's a lot of things you can 

2206
01:47:05,340 --> 01:47:08,420
do proactively to stop and and 
here's the thing, this is 

2207
01:47:08,420 --> 01:47:10,460
another thing that lets me know 
that this is not necessarily an 

2208
01:47:10,460 --> 01:47:13,020
FBI op. 
I cannot imagine anyone in the 

2209
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:15,580
FBI taking on the risk of people
rolling armed. 

2210
01:47:15,940 --> 01:47:17,980
When we give people that are 
quote UN quote terrorist guns, 

2211
01:47:17,980 --> 01:47:20,100
they're always disabled. 
They don't have a firing pin or 

2212
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:22,540
the firing pin is sawed down to 
the point of non functionality. 

2213
01:47:22,660 --> 01:47:25,260
They're in their bombs like you 
get a button but the button 

2214
01:47:25,260 --> 01:47:27,460
doesn't blow anything up. 
It just gives you like it gives 

2215
01:47:27,460 --> 01:47:29,980
us the belief that you would 
would have pushed a button and 

2216
01:47:29,980 --> 01:47:32,380
you've been told that it was. 
That's that's how the Bureau 

2217
01:47:32,380 --> 01:47:33,980
runs. 
It's it of all the things that 

2218
01:47:33,980 --> 01:47:35,980
it is and it has some 
incompetencies and it obviously 

2219
01:47:35,980 --> 01:47:40,220
has a leftist ideology slant. 
It is not reckless. 

2220
01:47:40,700 --> 01:47:42,340
It is not a reckless 
organization. 

2221
01:47:42,580 --> 01:47:45,780
Maybe See friend you would see 
otherwise, but I never saw it as

2222
01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:48,300
being a completely reckless 
organization when it comes to 

2223
01:47:48,300 --> 01:47:50,060
arming and allowing people to do
something dangerous. 

2224
01:47:51,220 --> 01:47:53,700
There are two things that I know
were set ups that day. 

2225
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:56,260
I know that the Capitol Police 
were set up themselves. 

2226
01:47:56,340 --> 01:47:59,140
They were set up to fail. 
I've written about that 

2227
01:47:59,140 --> 01:48:01,660
extensively. 
They can find that information 

2228
01:48:01,660 --> 01:48:03,100
on my blog. 
That's that's not on play. 

2229
01:48:03,100 --> 01:48:06,100
Although we are going to do a 
recrafting of that series and 

2230
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:10,650
release it on the place and the 
the the title of that of that 

2231
01:48:10,650 --> 01:48:14,090
series was called the Capitol 
Police for sacrificial pawns 

2232
01:48:14,410 --> 01:48:17,890
that day and I am convinced of 
that. 

2233
01:48:18,090 --> 01:48:22,050
The other setup I believe is was
happening with guys like the 

2234
01:48:22,050 --> 01:48:25,970
Upkeepers and the Proud Boys. 
They were fully infiltrated and 

2235
01:48:26,090 --> 01:48:30,170
these things in these processes 
were in fact allowed to happen 

2236
01:48:30,610 --> 01:48:32,570
and they were tracking them the 
whole way. 

2237
01:48:33,690 --> 01:48:36,450
I mean, look, a gloved hand 
going up and putting the guy 

2238
01:48:36,450 --> 01:48:40,470
back in frame is. 
I mean, it's irrefutable proof 

2239
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:42,510
that he was being being 
followed. 

2240
01:48:42,590 --> 01:48:44,430
And there was someone that was 
in the position to move that 

2241
01:48:44,430 --> 01:48:46,110
camera, which is also kind of 
wild to me. 

2242
01:48:46,270 --> 01:48:48,350
Yeah, Can we get a radio? 
Get a radio. 

2243
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:51,870
So that means that means 
probably, and I know his name, 

2244
01:48:52,910 --> 01:48:55,630
it was probably the special 
agent liaison between the 

2245
01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:59,070
USCP&FBI. 
That was probably what 

2246
01:48:59,070 --> 01:49:01,630
monitoring from the field office
that day and was up in the 

2247
01:49:01,630 --> 01:49:04,310
Capitol Police headquarters. 
That's that's wild. 

2248
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:06,510
I want to hear what Steve 
Friends reflection on hearing 

2249
01:49:06,510 --> 01:49:11,780
some of these things. 
Well, I I I think that the the 

2250
01:49:11,780 --> 01:49:15,500
FBI is rather reckless. 
But like I said, we don't have 

2251
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:16,540
to necessarily always agree on 
that. 

2252
01:49:16,540 --> 01:49:17,900
I didn't see it so. 
Tell me more. 

2253
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:20,900
No, I mean, I I I think they're 
they're reckless because they're

2254
01:49:20,900 --> 01:49:25,060
mostly incompetent. 
But I think that this level of 

2255
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:27,860
coordination that was required 
means that it was very 

2256
01:49:27,860 --> 01:49:31,540
sophisticated in in how it was 
carried out it it was well 

2257
01:49:31,540 --> 01:49:35,020
thought out. 
I don't think that there was 

2258
01:49:35,020 --> 01:49:37,220
like this. 
Star Chamber set up where they 

2259
01:49:37,220 --> 01:49:39,660
were eliminating any sort of 
communications. 

2260
01:49:39,820 --> 01:49:44,180
That's where we need to have a 
reckoning from people with the 

2261
01:49:44,180 --> 01:49:47,780
authority to get the information
out in an expedited fashion, 

2262
01:49:47,780 --> 01:49:51,580
like a congressional Select 
Committee that's supposed to be 

2263
01:49:51,580 --> 01:49:54,540
looking into government 
weaponization and specifically 

2264
01:49:54,540 --> 01:49:57,220
looking at the January 6th. 
You mean like a weaponization 

2265
01:49:57,220 --> 01:49:59,340
committee that actually looked 
into the actual weaponization 

2266
01:49:59,340 --> 01:50:01,190
that we're talking about? 
Yeah, yeah. 

2267
01:50:01,190 --> 01:50:03,790
I mean it shouldn't. 
I mean like look, Steve's done 

2268
01:50:03,790 --> 01:50:06,350
yeoman's work here. 
He shouldn't have had to. 

2269
01:50:07,390 --> 01:50:10,150
That's that. 
I mean that's it basically. 

2270
01:50:10,190 --> 01:50:13,390
Like, I mean like we always say 
that the journalists are like 

2271
01:50:13,390 --> 01:50:15,190
the 4th branch of government 
because they're they're really 

2272
01:50:15,190 --> 01:50:17,630
like the accountability arm and 
we we need to have that. 

2273
01:50:18,510 --> 01:50:23,590
But this event is just shows a 
dereliction of duty by most of 

2274
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:25,870
the media in the United States. 
That just went along with 

2275
01:50:25,870 --> 01:50:29,190
narrative. 
And significant portions of our 

2276
01:50:29,190 --> 01:50:33,590
government leaders who don't 
either believe that it's 

2277
01:50:33,870 --> 01:50:36,670
beneficial to them to keep the 
narrative going or afraid of 

2278
01:50:36,670 --> 01:50:39,870
touching it because they think 
it's yucky and it has a scent of

2279
01:50:39,870 --> 01:50:42,110
white trash on it, so it's not 
going to help my electoral 

2280
01:50:42,110 --> 01:50:43,510
prospect. 
So I just want to pretend it 

2281
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:45,830
didn't happen. 
They smell like Trump voters, 

2282
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:49,430
like Peter Strucken Smell. 
Yeah, yeah, like, like Harry 

2283
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:51,510
Reid used to complain about all 
the time about the American 

2284
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:53,270
people walking through the 
Capitol in the summertime 

2285
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:54,710
because he could smell the sweat
on them. 

2286
01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:57,180
Yeah. 
God, the smelly people. 

2287
01:50:58,660 --> 01:51:00,700
Steve, I want to give you the 
opportunity if there's any 

2288
01:51:00,780 --> 01:51:02,660
additional piece of this. 
And then I want to broaden it 

2289
01:51:02,660 --> 01:51:04,380
for a little bit. 
And we got a pretty good size 

2290
01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:05,900
audience that's still watching 
us live right now. 

2291
01:51:05,900 --> 01:51:08,020
And I think this is fascinating 
to folks and I want to continue 

2292
01:51:08,020 --> 01:51:09,540
to explore that as long as we 
can. 

2293
01:51:10,340 --> 01:51:12,980
Until we run out of material 
which probably could be like a 

2294
01:51:13,020 --> 01:51:15,660
week from now but we'll have 
like a real we'll have a real 

2295
01:51:15,660 --> 01:51:17,740
time limit on this. 
What I want to do is if there's 

2296
01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:20,300
an additional things you want to
add that that gloved hand is 

2297
01:51:20,300 --> 01:51:22,140
certainly a bombshell drop from 
what I'm hearing. 

2298
01:51:22,540 --> 01:51:24,540
Anything else that like that 
this is going to make people 

2299
01:51:24,540 --> 01:51:26,900
skin you know kind of the hair 
stand up on their skin let's 

2300
01:51:27,020 --> 01:51:30,100
let's hear what they. 
Yeah, I mean there there is more

2301
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:33,380
coming and we have to do the due
diligence that we did in the in 

2302
01:51:33,380 --> 01:51:35,780
this first release. 
I mean, I I can't tell you how 

2303
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:38,620
many weeks it took us just 
through that. 

2304
01:51:38,620 --> 01:51:41,700
You know, the the editorial 
process, the legal process to 

2305
01:51:41,700 --> 01:51:44,060
make sure that we had everything
buttoned up, that we didn't put 

2306
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:46,020
ourselves open ourselves to 
liability. 

2307
01:51:46,220 --> 01:51:48,460
We put a lot of eyeballs on this
video. 

2308
01:51:48,940 --> 01:51:51,260
There's a reason why we haven't 
released the video yet. 

2309
01:51:51,260 --> 01:51:54,580
Everybody's asking me that. 
And of course, on Twitter, you 

2310
01:51:54,580 --> 01:51:58,060
know, we already have people 
accusing me of being a liar 

2311
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:00,460
myself because we didn't release
the video with this. 

2312
01:52:00,810 --> 01:52:02,930
It's very simple. 
This has to go through the 

2313
01:52:02,930 --> 01:52:08,690
security review by both the 
Capitol Police and by Congress. 

2314
01:52:09,090 --> 01:52:12,450
There are things, because we 
were able to access highly 

2315
01:52:12,450 --> 01:52:15,170
sensitive cameras and highly 
sensitive parts of the Capitol, 

2316
01:52:15,410 --> 01:52:16,850
that we're going to have to blur
things out. 

2317
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:19,560
We're going to have to blur 
people out in order to tell this

2318
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:21,600
story. 
And as you know, there was a big

2319
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:25,000
event that happened in Congress 
this week that has put the pause

2320
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:29,760
button literally the night we 
were finalizing the editing on 

2321
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:34,920
the videos itself to submit to 
for congressional review, 

2322
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,800
McCarthy was voted out of the 
speakership. 

2323
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:41,790
And that means very simply, 
there's nothing nefarious going 

2324
01:52:41,790 --> 01:52:44,910
on related to the video or to 
our interaction with Congress 

2325
01:52:44,910 --> 01:52:47,390
and the approval and the the 
review of this video. 

2326
01:52:47,670 --> 01:52:50,310
It's simply nobody's making a 
decision on Capitol Hill right 

2327
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:51,230
now. 
Period. 

2328
01:52:51,230 --> 01:52:53,070
Full stop. 
They've got bigger things going 

2329
01:52:53,070 --> 01:52:55,830
on at the moment. 
Yeah, nothing, nothing wrong, 

2330
01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:57,470
you know. 
Yeah, I would, I would love to 

2331
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:59,390
have dropped the video at the 
same time. 

2332
01:52:59,630 --> 01:53:05,510
But Blaze editors decided no, we
kindliness is is, is, is still 

2333
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:07,230
important. 
Let's go ahead and drop the 

2334
01:53:07,230 --> 01:53:09,470
story. 
Let the controversy hit. 

2335
01:53:09,630 --> 01:53:12,110
Let people go. 
Nanananana, you don't really 

2336
01:53:12,110 --> 01:53:13,190
have the video. 
You're making this up. 

2337
01:53:13,190 --> 01:53:15,110
And then we'll hit it with him. 
We'll hit him a week later. 

2338
01:53:15,230 --> 01:53:16,470
All right. 
And you're and you're totally 

2339
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:18,190
confident, I know you've been 
confident about this for a very 

2340
01:53:18,190 --> 01:53:20,390
long time as we've been talking 
kind of in the back channel. 

2341
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:22,670
So I appreciate that. 
I want to, I want to expand this

2342
01:53:22,670 --> 01:53:24,230
thing out, Ryan. 
If you want to throw up a topic,

2343
01:53:24,230 --> 01:53:27,590
one that the Newsweek article 
that came out today and so. 

2344
01:53:28,430 --> 01:53:30,390
This is the other piece of it. 
I feel like this is the other 

2345
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:32,190
shoe you talked about the 
messaging campaign. 

2346
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:34,910
Mr. Baker and a friend and I 
have talked about this as well 

2347
01:53:34,910 --> 01:53:37,390
on different shows. 
Donald Trump followers targeted 

2348
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:40,670
by FBI's 2024 election years. 
We hear about the the anti 

2349
01:53:40,670 --> 01:53:43,790
government anti authority 
violent extremist tag which 

2350
01:53:43,950 --> 01:53:45,870
we've known about for at least 
two years, maybe longer than 

2351
01:53:45,870 --> 01:53:48,430
that. 
You guys want to kind of maybe 

2352
01:53:48,910 --> 01:53:51,150
Steve give your your two cents 
and then I'd love to hear what 

2353
01:53:51,150 --> 01:53:54,310
the Mr. Baker has is kind of 
hearing this in the context of 

2354
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:56,910
what he's looking at. 
Well, I'm. 

2355
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:02,920
Of two, two minds on this one, 
One I I'm very glad that this 

2356
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:07,280
information came out. 
I'll be at 13 months after I 

2357
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,160
came forward with these very 
concerns. 

2358
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:11,960
It sort of it vindicates 
everything that I did and it's 

2359
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,120
coming from obviously a left to 
center news source. 

2360
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,400
So I think that bodes well in my
favor because I've been accused 

2361
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:20,640
of being this political hack 
grifter conspiracy theorist. 

2362
01:54:22,150 --> 01:54:23,990
And I I believe you talked about
it yesterday. 

2363
01:54:24,230 --> 01:54:25,830
I think that this is, I agree 
with you. 

2364
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:28,710
I think this is the the FBI 
trying to get out ahead of what 

2365
01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:31,030
they know is coming. 
I think that these people were 

2366
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:36,790
anonymous and but but approved 
to to talk to a friendly 

2367
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:39,830
reporter from Newsweek about it 
because this will be yet another

2368
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:41,870
thing that Christopher Ray can 
go in and say, well, we've 

2369
01:54:41,870 --> 01:54:43,910
already addressed this, so we 
should just move on. 

2370
01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:47,180
But if it isn't and we can hold 
out hope that maybe there are 

2371
01:54:47,180 --> 01:54:51,220
some, some people back on the 
inside that are the good men and

2372
01:54:51,220 --> 01:54:56,940
women of the FBI, let me just 
say get that because I came out 

2373
01:54:57,100 --> 01:55:00,940
a year ago and lost my entire 
life and you guys couldn't have 

2374
01:55:00,940 --> 01:55:03,540
my back. 
And the reason that I expedited 

2375
01:55:03,540 --> 01:55:07,420
the process of actually coming 
forward and speaking to the 

2376
01:55:07,420 --> 01:55:09,300
media was because Kyle was 
alone. 

2377
01:55:09,700 --> 01:55:13,220
And I that doesn't that. 
I I you don't want us none. 

2378
01:55:13,670 --> 01:55:16,190
Two is 1. 
So that's why I experted my 

2379
01:55:16,190 --> 01:55:19,190
process, because I knew that he 
stood for principle and needed 

2380
01:55:19,190 --> 01:55:20,750
to have somebody who's washing 
his back. 

2381
01:55:21,870 --> 01:55:23,910
Where were you? 
You all took the same oath as I 

2382
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:25,190
did. 
You all took the same oath as 

2383
01:55:25,190 --> 01:55:29,350
Garrett and Kyle and any 
suspendable but you just sat 

2384
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:32,710
back and collected a paycheck 
for a year and then decided that

2385
01:55:32,710 --> 01:55:35,510
you were going to go to the 
media, which, if you took the 

2386
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:38,350
same whistleblower training that
I did, is not approved. 

2387
01:55:38,900 --> 01:55:40,740
Right. 
It's, it's been well publicized.

2388
01:55:40,740 --> 01:55:42,700
You could take this concern to 
Congress. 

2389
01:55:42,860 --> 01:55:45,020
There's an actually a 
weaponization committee that's 

2390
01:55:45,020 --> 01:55:46,580
been established over the last 
year. 

2391
01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:49,780
You could take it to the special
counsel, the Inspector General. 

2392
01:55:49,980 --> 01:55:52,300
You can bring it to your chain 
of command, but instead you went

2393
01:55:52,300 --> 01:55:55,140
to a friendly media source and 
did so and wouldn't even put 

2394
01:55:55,140 --> 01:55:56,740
your name on it. 
So get that. 

2395
01:55:57,580 --> 01:55:59,220
I dig it. 
What do you think, Mr. Baker? 

2396
01:55:59,220 --> 01:56:00,380
What do you think about this 
stuff? 

2397
01:56:00,380 --> 01:56:02,460
You're getting reported now. 
Well, I'll tell you what. 

2398
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:05,660
Have your guy throw that article
back up on the screen again. 

2399
01:56:05,740 --> 01:56:07,660
The Newsweek article. 
I want to, I want to point 

2400
01:56:07,660 --> 01:56:11,130
something out to you. 
You see the the, the byline. 

2401
01:56:11,130 --> 01:56:20,530
William Arkin, he is a reliable 
voice shill leaker for decades 

2402
01:56:20,610 --> 01:56:23,530
for the intelligence community 
and military sources. 

2403
01:56:24,050 --> 01:56:28,730
And and what Steve said just a 
moment ago is that the FBI is 

2404
01:56:28,730 --> 01:56:30,250
wanting to get out ahead of 
this. 

2405
01:56:30,690 --> 01:56:35,210
When Arkin writes an article 
like this, that's exactly what 

2406
01:56:35,210 --> 01:56:37,170
happened. 
You nailed it Steve. 

2407
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,360
When Arkin he is, he is a 
reliable mouthpiece. 

2408
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:45,920
He was the same guy that I think
it was on January 3rd of 2022, 

2409
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:49,440
the 1:00 during that one year 
anniversary week of January 6th 

2410
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,320
that he was the same guy that 
published the article in 

2411
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,920
Newsweek with the headline 
Secret Commandos with shoot to 

2412
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,720
kill Orders. 
Yeah, I remember that. 

2413
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,040
January 6th, that was. 
Remember that? 

2414
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,760
And that was again a reason to 
get out in front of everything. 

2415
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:06,360
But who was your friendly 
neighborhood independent 

2416
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:09,400
journalist who was the first 
person to release information 

2417
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:12,320
about that secret organization 
in the crowd? 

2418
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,800
And that was 1010 1/2 months 
before Newsweek did. 

2419
01:57:17,620 --> 01:57:19,980
So interesting that I didn't, I 
didn't realize that he was the 

2420
01:57:19,980 --> 01:57:21,860
same guy had written that. 
But that's why we have guests on

2421
01:57:21,860 --> 01:57:23,620
that know what's going on that 
are tuned into some of these 

2422
01:57:23,620 --> 01:57:26,300
journalists that I'm I'm 
starting to turn and peek up. 

2423
01:57:26,340 --> 01:57:28,780
I I was on Dan Bonginos radio 
show yesterday and we talked and

2424
01:57:28,780 --> 01:57:31,540
he said, you know, it's my 
instinct that this article is 

2425
01:57:31,540 --> 01:57:35,020
actually a warning. 
It's a warning to all the people

2426
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:36,620
that are out there. 
And I said, Dan, I think it's a 

2427
01:57:36,620 --> 01:57:38,660
threat. 
There's a difference. 

2428
01:57:38,940 --> 01:57:42,190
You know one has intent. 
And I don't think they're trying

2429
01:57:42,190 --> 01:57:43,590
to tell you that this is a 
warning. 

2430
01:57:43,590 --> 01:57:45,510
Like be careful. 
I think they're saying we're 

2431
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:48,070
coming for you. 
You've been warned, Ryan. 

2432
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:50,470
I wonder, do you have the one 
minute teaser trailer of police 

2433
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:51,830
state? 
Do you have that hanging or do 

2434
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:52,870
you just have the three minute 
one? 

2435
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:55,310
I probably got it somewhere. 
Give me a second. 

2436
01:57:55,310 --> 01:57:57,110
Yeah, if you'll pull up the one 
minute one I want to, I want to 

2437
01:57:57,110 --> 01:57:59,590
show people because one of the 
things that that we can all 

2438
01:57:59,590 --> 01:58:03,030
agree on and Steve and I got to 
work on this, this, this movie 

2439
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:04,510
production. 
You can't make a movie 

2440
01:58:04,510 --> 01:58:05,470
overnight. 
Would you agree on that, 

2441
01:58:05,470 --> 01:58:07,070
gentlemen? 
No. 

2442
01:58:07,950 --> 01:58:10,630
You don't get to do it like in 
response to a new story that was

2443
01:58:10,710 --> 01:58:13,590
written on October 4th. 
I want people to listen to the 

2444
01:58:13,590 --> 01:58:16,270
language Okay because one of the
things that's in that story that

2445
01:58:16,270 --> 01:58:19,270
people found so amazing is that 
there's this new tag anti 

2446
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:21,790
government, anti authority 
violent extremist that's being 

2447
01:58:21,790 --> 01:58:26,300
used this agave a GAAVE. 
And I want you to listen to the 

2448
01:58:26,300 --> 01:58:28,900
language of Nick Searcy, who's a
friend of ours now and a really 

2449
01:58:28,900 --> 01:58:32,020
good guy and a great actor. 
Just listen to this, this, this 

2450
01:58:32,020 --> 01:58:33,940
little promo real. 
This is the teaser trailer. 

2451
01:58:33,940 --> 01:58:35,740
You guys have seen it here if 
you watch our channel, But let's

2452
01:58:35,740 --> 01:58:37,660
take a look at this real quick. 
We should listen to his words 

2453
01:58:37,660 --> 01:58:38,700
and what he says these people 
are. 

2454
01:58:46,220 --> 01:58:56,960
We honor you, Father, Chief 
Division, Council and DOJ have 

2455
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:02,320
approved the no not breach. 
We want the subject to be on 

2456
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:06,160
display doing the walk of shame,
full visual impact. 

2457
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,280
Any questions? 
Are we becoming a police state? 

2458
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,480
Government told American 
citizens they couldn't go to 

2459
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:16,560
church on Sunday. 
For the first time in my life, 

2460
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:18,720
I'll say to myself, am I going 
to get a knock at the door? 

2461
01:59:19,820 --> 01:59:22,740
Come to the door Now. 
The Patriot Act and FISA were 

2462
01:59:22,740 --> 01:59:26,060
used against Donald Trump. 
These individuals have 

2463
01:59:26,260 --> 01:59:30,540
commissioned the biggest 
propaganda play in U.S. history.

2464
01:59:30,900 --> 01:59:33,740
They don't go after the people 
that rigged the election. 

2465
01:59:33,940 --> 01:59:36,580
They go after the people that 
want to find out what. 

2466
01:59:36,580 --> 01:59:40,340
The hell happens. 
We don't need to have a crime 

2467
01:59:40,540 --> 01:59:44,540
what we need. 
Is a person to look at and then 

2468
01:59:44,540 --> 01:59:45,700
we go find out what crime you 
did. 

2469
01:59:47,380 --> 01:59:51,070
Our focus is shifting. 
Our main priority as a Bureau is

2470
01:59:51,070 --> 01:59:54,150
going to be domestic terrorism. 
Really paints anybody who's 

2471
01:59:54,150 --> 01:59:56,950
right of center. 
If you're a pro-life, pro family

2472
01:59:56,990 --> 01:59:58,990
Catholic, they define you as 
radically. 

2473
01:59:59,310 --> 02:00:05,950
These are anti government 
violent extremists and they must

2474
02:00:05,990 --> 02:00:09,870
be dealt with. 
We can do anything we want. 

2475
02:00:19,610 --> 02:00:21,530
All right folks, if you want to 
find that movie, you can go to 

2476
02:00:21,530 --> 02:00:23,770
policestatefilm.net. 
You can go and buy tickets. 

2477
02:00:23,770 --> 02:00:26,570
It's going to be on October 23rd
and and 25th across the country.

2478
02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:28,090
They're going to be showing in 
private screenings. 

2479
02:00:28,250 --> 02:00:30,770
So check that out. 
October 23rd and 25th, it's the 

2480
02:00:30,770 --> 02:00:32,890
new Dinesh D'souza. 
Dan Bongino, You heard the voice

2481
02:00:32,890 --> 02:00:35,250
of Cash Patel in there. 
Jim Jordan, Julie Kelly's in 

2482
02:00:35,250 --> 02:00:36,970
there. 
Mark Out, who was raided by the 

2483
02:00:36,970 --> 02:00:39,490
FBI has been on our show. 
A whole bunch of these people 

2484
02:00:39,490 --> 02:00:41,930
that we talked to on a regular 
basis are exposing what the 

2485
02:00:41,930 --> 02:00:45,290
police state looks like. 
And the police state is when the

2486
02:00:45,290 --> 02:00:48,450
FBI and the federal government 
looks at weaponization and they 

2487
02:00:48,450 --> 02:00:51,050
decide that you are an 
antigovernment anti authority 

2488
02:00:51,050 --> 02:00:53,290
violent extremist. 
You believe that give me liberty

2489
02:00:53,290 --> 02:00:56,090
or give me death is a thing that
is reasonable to say and maybe 

2490
02:00:56,130 --> 02:00:58,810
was the founding principles of 
this country and then suddenly 

2491
02:01:00,090 --> 02:01:01,890
you're actually the problem. 
Our government's going to hunt 

2492
02:01:01,890 --> 02:01:02,850
you down. 
Many of you are pretty 

2493
02:01:02,850 --> 02:01:04,130
terrified. 
I know a lot of people get 

2494
02:01:04,130 --> 02:01:06,290
really worried about that. 
You heard Nick seriously say it.

2495
02:01:06,410 --> 02:01:08,130
The actual full line in there 
which was cut out. 

2496
02:01:08,130 --> 02:01:10,930
It's in the longer trailer. 
Anti government, anti authority,

2497
02:01:10,930 --> 02:01:13,050
violent extremist. 
There's a reason why Steve and I

2498
02:01:13,050 --> 02:01:15,570
knew to put that in the script. 
We help write the script for all

2499
02:01:15,570 --> 02:01:18,560
the FBI dialogue and you guys 
are going to see a very 

2500
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:22,320
realistic look at the scariest 
thing that we are moving 

2501
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:23,960
towards. 
What do you have you seen that 

2502
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:25,920
trailer before, Mr. Baker? 
Yeah. 

2503
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,600
I've seen it. 
I've seen the short version, the

2504
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:30,040
long version, and watched them 
multiple times. 

2505
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:34,320
I'm really, I'm really 
fascinated by this opening part 

2506
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:36,800
of the script that now the first
time I realized that you guys 

2507
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,360
wrote that. 
But it makes sense now that when

2508
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:41,800
Cersei says we want them to do 
you to we want the cameras 

2509
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,400
there, we want to see the 
purple, we want to see the 

2510
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:45,160
Walker. 
Shame is because. 

2511
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:49,390
One of one of the characters in 
the January 6th story that I've 

2512
02:01:49,390 --> 02:01:53,750
covered with took to a 
significant degree, is a guy by 

2513
02:01:53,750 --> 02:01:55,990
the name of JD Rivera out of 
Pensacola. 

2514
02:01:56,270 --> 02:01:59,310
He's a professional 
cinematographer, videographer, 

2515
02:01:59,430 --> 02:02:03,870
newscaster and he's independent.
But he went to January 6th with 

2516
02:02:03,950 --> 02:02:06,070
all of his pro gear. 
I mean, he showed up with the 

2517
02:02:06,070 --> 02:02:11,030
expensive stuff and he 
ironically was the the very 

2518
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:13,990
first person arrested in 
Florida. 

2519
02:02:14,380 --> 02:02:17,540
Related to the January 6th, you 
know, January Florida has more 

2520
02:02:17,540 --> 02:02:19,140
arrestees than anybody else in 
it. 

2521
02:02:19,140 --> 02:02:21,100
You know any other state? 
It's weird that it's one of the 

2522
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:22,860
reddest states in the country. 
Do you think that has anything 

2523
02:02:22,860 --> 02:02:26,420
to do with it? 
So, so he was the very first 

2524
02:02:26,420 --> 02:02:31,940
person arrested and the actual 
news agency who he was 

2525
02:02:31,940 --> 02:02:38,300
contracting with at 6:00 in the 
morning had their van parked 

2526
02:02:38,300 --> 02:02:41,420
across the street when they 
swatted him and by the way 

2527
02:02:41,620 --> 02:02:44,780
swatted him for misdemeanor. 
Offenses. 

2528
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:47,140
That seems like a problem to 
Steve friend types. 

2529
02:02:47,900 --> 02:02:50,020
Yeah. 
It is a problem, but you know 

2530
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:54,820
the difference between a RAID 
and a routine search is just 

2531
02:02:54,820 --> 02:02:56,260
whether or not you call the 
media ahead of time. 

2532
02:02:58,900 --> 02:03:02,770
Wow, what what an ugly thing. 
I want to propose this to you 

2533
02:03:02,770 --> 02:03:04,570
guys as we kind of move towards 
the close of this and I 

2534
02:03:04,570 --> 02:03:06,250
appreciate all of you sticking 
with us for a long time. 

2535
02:03:06,250 --> 02:03:08,730
We've had probably one of our 
biggest live chats and and 

2536
02:03:08,730 --> 02:03:10,850
joining us, I think people are 
fascinated by this topic and 

2537
02:03:11,050 --> 02:03:13,890
I've had a couple people say Mr.
Baker, you are the best guest 

2538
02:03:13,890 --> 02:03:16,530
ever. 
So welcome to Kyle Serif and 

2539
02:03:16,530 --> 02:03:18,770
infamy on our show. 
We appreciate you joining us for

2540
02:03:18,770 --> 02:03:21,490
all this. 
There's a topic that is not 

2541
02:03:21,490 --> 02:03:24,130
being discussed very much but 
Steve alluded to it just now. 

2542
02:03:24,130 --> 02:03:26,100
Steve Friend did talking about 
that. 

2543
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:28,820
There is a problem within the 
FBI because there is a 

2544
02:03:28,820 --> 02:03:33,100
libertarian sort of conservative
mindset lower KC within people 

2545
02:03:33,100 --> 02:03:35,340
who carry a badge and a gun, and
that includes the FBI. 

2546
02:03:35,940 --> 02:03:38,380
And how do you deal with these 
Trump voters, the Trump 

2547
02:03:38,380 --> 02:03:41,100
supporters that exist within an 
agency that's weaponized against

2548
02:03:41,140 --> 02:03:43,860
a group like that? 
Ryan, if you pull up topic #2, 

2549
02:03:43,860 --> 02:03:47,140
I'm going to show people exactly
how it gets done because this is

2550
02:03:47,140 --> 02:03:48,580
going to be very troubling to 
you gentlemen. 

2551
02:03:49,220 --> 02:03:51,900
This is an article that is 
written in Gov Exec. 

2552
02:03:51,900 --> 02:03:54,820
This is a fantastic source for 
management news and a bunch of 

2553
02:03:54,820 --> 02:03:58,020
like administrative garbage from
from sort of the deep state 

2554
02:03:58,020 --> 02:04:00,700
operations. 
It says OPM announces expansion 

2555
02:04:00,700 --> 02:04:03,380
of, quote, UN quote, continuous 
vetting of security clearance 

2556
02:04:03,380 --> 02:04:06,180
process for current feds. 
After a successful pilot, the 

2557
02:04:06,180 --> 02:04:09,580
federal government HR agencies, 
which is OPM and the Defense 

2558
02:04:09,580 --> 02:04:13,180
Counterintelligence and Security
Agency, is going to create a 

2559
02:04:13,180 --> 02:04:16,460
goal of credentialing and 
enrolling all employees, even 

2560
02:04:16,460 --> 02:04:18,860
those in nonsensitive public 
trust positions. 

2561
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:21,600
A nonsensitive public trust 
means you don't have a specific 

2562
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:23,560
security clearance. 
They're going to put them into 

2563
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:29,400
this pilot program looking for 
anomalies and a failure to have 

2564
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:31,600
loyalty. 
And so continuous vetting means 

2565
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:33,680
that used to be that every five 
years you would get a polygraph,

2566
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:35,840
every five years you get a 
background check again and then 

2567
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:37,800
you'd be able to continue with 
your security clearance, 

2568
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:40,830
assuming that you're a good guy.
This security clearance 

2569
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:44,350
continuous vetting program 
allows them to call you in every

2570
02:04:44,350 --> 02:04:47,430
single year, every six months, 
any anytime they want. 

2571
02:04:47,670 --> 02:04:49,990
Under continuous vetting. 
Some people will obviously be 

2572
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:52,270
ignored. 
Some people will get a lot of 

2573
02:04:52,270 --> 02:04:54,190
vetting. 
And my friends who work in the 

2574
02:04:54,350 --> 02:04:57,310
the polygraph offices and who 
work inside the FBI told me they

2575
02:04:57,310 --> 02:04:59,790
were absolutely terrified this 
was going to be used to squeeze 

2576
02:04:59,790 --> 02:05:02,550
out the older, more 
conservative, more libertarian 

2577
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:05,630
bet, more constitutional minded 
people from the FBI. 

2578
02:05:05,830 --> 02:05:07,550
This is what you would call a 
loyalty test. 

2579
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:08,800
What are your thoughts on that 
guys? 

2580
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,480
And I'm going to give you one 
more piece of thing to kind of 

2581
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,960
reflect on after that. 
Go ahead, Steve. 

2582
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:15,760
But yeah, I I share your 
sentiment on this. 

2583
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:18,120
This is going to be completely 
subjective the way that it's 

2584
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,960
applied. 
Look how many people did you 

2585
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,320
know who who didn't get their 
five year check Because 

2586
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:24,360
everybody. 
Yeah. 

2587
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:25,880
You know, one because like I 
never got mine. 

2588
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:29,810
I never got mine and and. 
So definitely the fact that 

2589
02:05:29,810 --> 02:05:31,930
they're they're saying this, it 
sounds good on paper. 

2590
02:05:31,930 --> 02:05:34,450
Like, hey, look, we want to make
sure that we're keeping people 

2591
02:05:34,450 --> 02:05:36,970
on the straight and narrow. 
Well, maybe you should figure 

2592
02:05:36,970 --> 02:05:39,170
that out in the hiring process 
first. 

2593
02:05:39,170 --> 02:05:41,330
Like if you actually have 
legitimate security concerns 

2594
02:05:41,330 --> 02:05:44,290
about people that you need to 
continuously vet them, maybe 

2595
02:05:44,290 --> 02:05:47,850
they shouldn't have been hired, 
but it's going to be used 

2596
02:05:47,850 --> 02:05:51,370
subjectively and they're going 
to say it'll it'll be because 

2597
02:05:51,370 --> 02:05:54,720
somebody makes a complaint. 
Like, hey, they switched the the

2598
02:05:54,720 --> 02:06:00,440
TV channel from CNN to Newsmax. 
So we need to have a continuous 

2599
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:02,400
vetting of this person. 
I did that. 

2600
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:04,160
I did that. 
I got a complaint against me, 

2601
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:08,600
the analyst who was, let's say, 
morbidly over be morbidly 

2602
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:11,360
overweight, massively obese. 
Is there another kind? 

2603
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:13,560
No, that's just, well, there's 
some analysts that are not that.

2604
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:15,640
They're like the young just got 
out of college, like pretty 

2605
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:17,120
young females that also have no 
use. 

2606
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:20,590
But this one in particular was 
Her name was Candy, which was a 

2607
02:06:20,590 --> 02:06:22,470
nauseating name. 
It's like a stripper name for a 

2608
02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:24,870
woman that weighs 350 pounds. 
That's kind of gross. 

2609
02:06:25,190 --> 02:06:27,350
And that she was one of these 
people that complained about me 

2610
02:06:27,350 --> 02:06:29,390
because of my changing of the 
channel, 100%. 

2611
02:06:29,390 --> 02:06:31,070
She also thought that Kyle 
Rittenhouse deserved the death 

2612
02:06:31,070 --> 02:06:34,950
penalty after the acquittal 
because she's that kind of a 

2613
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:36,950
person, you know, the Justice 
Department, as we like to say, 

2614
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:38,190
sometimes, sometimes there's 
justice. 

2615
02:06:38,190 --> 02:06:40,950
Often times it's just us. 
Sometimes it's just guys like me

2616
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:43,590
and Steve Friend, guys like 
Steve Baker out there who just 

2617
02:06:43,590 --> 02:06:45,270
want to know what the truth is 
and they don't really care where

2618
02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:47,290
it leads you. 
That turns out to be less and 

2619
02:06:47,290 --> 02:06:48,530
less common. 
What do you think about the idea

2620
02:06:48,530 --> 02:06:49,970
of continuous vetting there, Mr.
Baker? 

2621
02:06:50,330 --> 02:06:53,330
Well, I think continuous vetting
is going to be in real time now 

2622
02:06:53,330 --> 02:06:55,650
with AI. 
It's not going to be, it's not 

2623
02:06:55,650 --> 02:06:57,890
going to be five years, one 
year, one month. 

2624
02:06:57,890 --> 02:07:00,930
It's going to be real time. 
They're going to monitor every 

2625
02:07:00,930 --> 02:07:02,930
interaction, every association 
we have. 

2626
02:07:03,170 --> 02:07:05,370
This was, you know, this is 
Stalin's wet dream. 

2627
02:07:06,090 --> 02:07:07,130
It is. 
You want to know something 

2628
02:07:07,130 --> 02:07:08,610
that's really funny. 
And I keep digging into the 

2629
02:07:08,610 --> 02:07:10,410
history of this stuff. 
Gentlemen, I'm going to 

2630
02:07:10,410 --> 02:07:13,260
introduce you to something you 
may not have seen historically. 

2631
02:07:13,620 --> 02:07:16,100
I trace the origins of the 
socalled deep state, what I call

2632
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:19,660
the administrative state, back 
to 1946 in the Administrative 

2633
02:07:19,660 --> 02:07:22,500
Procedures Act, which was passed
under President Harry Truman. 

2634
02:07:22,660 --> 02:07:25,260
Now, Truman doesn't really have 
a bad rap in the way that FDR 

2635
02:07:25,260 --> 02:07:27,180
does and bringing about 
communism and some of this kind 

2636
02:07:27,180 --> 02:07:28,420
of stuff. 
We don't really think of him as 

2637
02:07:28,420 --> 02:07:30,580
the guy that did it, but in many
ways he was like the fourth 

2638
02:07:30,580 --> 02:07:32,340
term. 
And So what I'd like you to do, 

2639
02:07:32,340 --> 02:07:34,380
Ryan, did you have that that 
tweet that I just showed you? 

2640
02:07:34,620 --> 02:07:37,990
I just sent it over in the in 
our chat and if you can bring it

2641
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:39,950
up what I want to know, I'm 
going to introduce you guys to 

2642
02:07:39,950 --> 02:07:42,950
something that was known as 
Executive Order 9835. 

2643
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:45,510
This was affirmed by the Supreme
Court, not picked up or 

2644
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:48,070
adjudicated, but they basically 
ignored it and the appeals court

2645
02:07:48,070 --> 02:07:50,150
out of the District of DC did 
not have any problem with it. 

2646
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:56,030
Executive Order 9835 Let me just
tell you that the name of it 

2647
02:07:56,430 --> 02:08:00,550
prescribing procedures for the 
administration of an employee 

2648
02:08:00,550 --> 02:08:04,230
loyalty program in the executive
branch of the government. 

2649
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,280
Whereas each employee of the 
government of the United States 

2650
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:09,560
is endowed with a measure of 
trusteeship over democratic 

2651
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:12,000
processes which are the heart 
and sinew of the United States. 

2652
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:14,280
Whereas it's the vital important
that this person employed by the

2653
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:17,000
federal service be of complete 
and unswerving loyalty to the 

2654
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:18,760
United States. 
I bet you they would substitute 

2655
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:20,800
that and just make it executive 
branch like you heard earlier. 

2656
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:25,440
Whereas the although the loyalty
of by far the overwhelming 

2657
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,120
majority of government employees
is beyond question, the presence

2658
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:31,120
within the government service of
any disloyal or subversive 

2659
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:33,720
persons constitutes a threat to 
our democratic process. 

2660
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:36,000
It goes on and on. 
It just says that they were 

2661
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:39,840
actually instituting A loyalty 
test and it was never thrown 

2662
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:41,200
out. 
It was rescinded before it was 

2663
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:43,040
actually adjudicated to be 
unconstitutional. 

2664
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,520
I would be shocked if this 
administration, which did 

2665
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:49,280
Executive Order 14043 and said 
everybody must get a shot, which

2666
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:51,120
was in fact a loyalty test in 
many ways. 

2667
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:53,480
They rooted out who was willing 
to stand on principle and didn't

2668
02:08:53,480 --> 02:08:56,320
want to get it. 
This is probably in the works, a

2669
02:08:56,360 --> 02:08:58,920
9835 executive order. 
I tweeted this out on Twitter. 

2670
02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:00,640
It's got a little bit of 
coverage, but you want to know 

2671
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:03,400
who the how you find them. 
You put in a loyalty test and 

2672
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:05,520
you just make the language 
almost exactly what Truman has 

2673
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:06,640
already done. 
It's already been done. 

2674
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:08,560
And he was looking for 
communists. 

2675
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:09,720
Obviously that was the 
difference there. 

2676
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:10,720
But. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2677
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:12,520
So that was my only thought 
there. 

2678
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:15,160
I mean that's that's a good sell
at pull though, but again, like 

2679
02:09:15,240 --> 02:09:19,480
I've been saying for months now,
so FBI is all about status quo. 

2680
02:09:20,130 --> 02:09:22,290
Preserve the status quo. 
Well, Truman didn't like 

2681
02:09:22,290 --> 02:09:24,530
communists. 
I think the BITE administration 

2682
02:09:24,530 --> 02:09:29,010
has a has the the warm feelings,
the fuzzy go thrill going up 

2683
02:09:29,010 --> 02:09:31,250
their leg when they hear about 
American communists and they 

2684
02:09:31,250 --> 02:09:34,130
hate MAGA extremists. 
All right, gentlemen, any other 

2685
02:09:34,570 --> 02:09:36,570
kind of parting shots, Any 
alibis we have on this one? 

2686
02:09:36,570 --> 02:09:38,130
And then I'm going to let you 
guys plug where you where. 

2687
02:09:38,250 --> 02:09:41,290
They can find you, man. 
I think we're good. 

2688
02:09:41,290 --> 02:09:44,890
I I just want to say that you 
know, first of all I I have. 

2689
02:09:45,330 --> 02:09:48,330
Thoroughly been blessed by my 
association with you guys. 

2690
02:09:48,330 --> 02:09:52,850
Being an honorary suspendable is
one of the greatest honors of my

2691
02:09:52,850 --> 02:09:57,810
life. 
And I will tell you that we have

2692
02:09:57,810 --> 02:10:00,050
more coming this reveal about 
God. 

2693
02:10:01,050 --> 02:10:01,730
One for you. 
Thank you. 

2694
02:10:01,970 --> 02:10:06,010
You put on the hat or something.
We, we we have more coming in 

2695
02:10:06,010 --> 02:10:09,130
this story. 
We have more time in the video 

2696
02:10:09,130 --> 02:10:11,690
rooms there at the Capitol, 
things that we've not yet 

2697
02:10:11,690 --> 02:10:15,530
discussed and and and a 
broadening of this story as 

2698
02:10:15,530 --> 02:10:19,570
well. 
And and you know, I just invite 

2699
02:10:19,570 --> 02:10:23,410
everybody to tune in and and 
follow us as close as you can 

2700
02:10:23,890 --> 02:10:26,230
obviously. 
Even though I'm on the Blaze 

2701
02:10:26,230 --> 02:10:28,870
now, I'm still independent. 
I I'm not. 

2702
02:10:29,230 --> 02:10:31,310
I don't have a thumb on me 
telling me what I can. 

2703
02:10:31,310 --> 02:10:33,190
You can't say what I can and 
can't write about. 

2704
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:36,030
So they can follow all my 
additional material and locals 

2705
02:10:36,030 --> 02:10:38,310
or Twitter or Facebook and it's 
all the same. 

2706
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:43,030
Handle TPC for USA. 
TPC for us at the number four 

2707
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:44,670
USA. 
Yeah, find me everywhere that 

2708
02:10:44,790 --> 02:10:47,070
and you can find it on our 
Twitter show we tagged and also 

2709
02:10:47,070 --> 02:10:49,390
on True Social. 
She should be able to find Mr. 

2710
02:10:49,390 --> 02:10:51,430
Baker stuff there. 
Steve, any alibis? 

2711
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:54,040
Any miss shots here? 
No, just going to throw out 

2712
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:55,600
tonight. 
I'm speaking at Lincoln Reagan 

2713
02:10:55,600 --> 02:10:58,560
Dinner in Leesburg, FL. 
Going to give Andy Biggs a fist 

2714
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,200
bump for his fight in the 
speaker fight and follow me on 

2715
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:05,760
Twitter at Real Steve Friend. 
At Truth, at Real under score 

2716
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,880
Steve Friend. 
True Blue is still rocking and 

2717
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:09,920
rolling. 
Hit the top ten this week of law

2718
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:13,400
enforcement memoirs. 
So really appreciate everybody's

2719
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:16,760
support on that and you can pick
up a copy over at Amazon. 

2720
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:18,720
It's been to the top of my 
social media profiles. 

2721
02:11:19,080 --> 02:11:20,400
Have a great weekend, 
outstanding. 

2722
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:23,720
So you guys can also follow 
Steve Baker's locals channel 

2723
02:11:23,720 --> 02:11:25,760
which people told me is the best
5 bucks a month they've ever 

2724
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,760
spent outstanding reporting 
there and they and and high 

2725
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:30,600
praise from some of our audience
as well. 

2726
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:32,840
So if you guys are not following
that by all means. 

2727
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,680
Part of the way that you, you 
divorce yourself from watching 

2728
02:11:35,680 --> 02:11:38,720
mainstream media is supporting 
guys like Steve Baker, 

2729
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:41,440
supporting guys like us, you 
know reading the books that are 

2730
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:43,400
from first hand sources and 
we're out there trying to get it

2731
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:45,000
done for you. 
So we do appreciate all that and

2732
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,520
I got to say the live chat has 
been absolutely outstanding. 

2733
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,280
Today we had a well over 
probably our highest audience 

2734
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:51,640
that we've ever seen on a live 
show. 

2735
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,360
Some of that has to do with the 
topic and and the way and some 

2736
02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:56,240
of it just has to do with the 
content and some of it has to do

2737
02:11:56,240 --> 02:11:58,360
with you guys sharing it. 
We're so grateful that you've 

2738
02:11:58,360 --> 02:11:59,880
shared it. 
All of the rumble rants have 

2739
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:02,440
been coming in here. 
You know you don't need to to 

2740
02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:04,120
throw money at us in order for 
us to do the show. 

2741
02:12:04,120 --> 02:12:05,160
We're going to keep doing it 
that way. 

2742
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:07,240
But the fact that you appreciate
it and you put a dollar amount 

2743
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:09,560
to it warms my heart. 
Thanks for the new monthly 

2744
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:12,000
subscribers and we want to thank
you guys for leaving five star 

2745
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,680
reviews. 
What you keep doing on Apple and

2746
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:15,920
on Spotify and iHeartRadio. 
We read the Apple ones because 

2747
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:16,920
we could find them really 
easily. 

2748
02:12:17,080 --> 02:12:20,080
Want to throw up Today's just 
really appreciate it for this 

2749
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:21,080
one. 
Can you blow that up just a 

2750
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:22,360
little bit there, Mr. Ryan. 
There we go. 

2751
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:26,800
So this one comes from Cugs 76 
says, God Bless America and 

2752
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:28,360
fast, please. 
Yeah, how about that? 

2753
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:30,000
He says. 
I'm a U.S. 

2754
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,960
Marine veteran and I've served 
with a brotherhood of real men. 

2755
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,560
I'm not disparaging my ring 
sisters. 

2756
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:37,400
God knows they are more manly 
than most of these betas in the 

2757
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:39,720
streets. 
That being said, it's so 

2758
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:42,760
refreshing to have a few 
countrymen with the with the 

2759
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:45,800
testicular fortitude not only to
do what's right, but risk losing

2760
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:47,770
everything. 
And you and the other 

2761
02:12:47,970 --> 02:12:49,770
suspendables continue to give me
hope. 

2762
02:12:50,010 --> 02:12:52,290
I stand united with you. 
Thank you for upholding your 

2763
02:12:52,290 --> 02:12:54,730
oath to the Constitution. 
I'm happy to see your show doing

2764
02:12:54,730 --> 02:12:56,370
so well. 
Your audience is getting the 

2765
02:12:56,370 --> 02:12:59,130
truth from a true patriot. 
And we all need the truth. 

2766
02:12:59,130 --> 02:13:01,610
Very, very kind words from our 
Marine Corps brothers. 

2767
02:13:02,130 --> 02:13:03,930
A box of crayons in the mail for
you. 

2768
02:13:04,170 --> 02:13:07,050
I hope they're all Reds, as is 
your favorite crayons to chew 

2769
02:13:07,050 --> 02:13:08,770
on. 
Folks, We really do appreciate 

2770
02:13:08,770 --> 02:13:09,970
you guys watching the show. 
We really do. 

2771
02:13:10,010 --> 02:13:11,650
So if you want to follow it, 
share it. 

2772
02:13:11,650 --> 02:13:13,330
If you like this episode, it's 
going to be extra long, but you 

2773
02:13:13,330 --> 02:13:15,210
got the whole weekend. 
You can find it on Apple, 

2774
02:13:15,210 --> 02:13:17,690
Spotify, iHeartRadio, all the 
different audio channels. 

2775
02:13:17,850 --> 02:13:20,930
We are continuing to grow from 
all the the sharing that you do 

2776
02:13:21,090 --> 02:13:23,450
and just again so grateful. 
I hope you have a wonderful 

2777
02:13:23,450 --> 02:13:25,210
weekend. 
I hope fall weather is coming in

2778
02:13:25,210 --> 02:13:26,730
and not too cold and you get to 
enjoy that. 

2779
02:13:26,890 --> 02:13:29,210
Maybe it's jacket weather for 
you like it is here just getting

2780
02:13:29,210 --> 02:13:30,850
there in Texas that means it's 
under 90 degrees. 

2781
02:13:30,850 --> 02:13:33,530
So I can put on a a jacket and 
feel like I'm part of the rest 

2782
02:13:33,530 --> 02:13:35,730
of the country. 
We will see you again on Monday 

2783
02:13:35,810 --> 02:13:38,570
with an excellent interview from
another suspendable We've got 

2784
02:13:38,570 --> 02:13:42,170
Colton Moore from the State 
Senate in Georgia talking about 

2785
02:13:42,170 --> 02:13:45,770
trying to defund Fonnie Willis, 
which is a very interesting 

2786
02:13:45,770 --> 02:13:46,570
chat. 
You guys are going to really 

2787
02:13:46,570 --> 02:13:48,010
appreciate that, that and wish 
Ryan Rock. 

2788
02:13:48,010 --> 02:13:50,050
He's going to luck. 
Rather he's going to be taking a

2789
02:13:50,050 --> 02:13:53,770
trip down to the Texas border 
because we are just we're we're 

2790
02:13:53,770 --> 02:13:56,210
being confronted on all fronts 
and the world is not safe. 

2791
02:13:56,210 --> 02:13:58,010
So we got to go out there and 
make sure that we're aware of 

2792
02:13:58,010 --> 02:13:59,010
it. 
God bless all of you. 

2793
02:13:59,010 --> 02:14:00,410
Have a wonderful weekend. 
We'll see you on Monday. 

2794
02:14:00,530 --> 02:14:03,450
Thanks for listening to the Kyle
Seraphin Show streamed live 

2795
02:14:03,450 --> 02:14:07,570
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2796
02:14:07,970 --> 02:14:12,010
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