And they were all live texting the FBI going crowd boys didn't
start it, Crowd boys didn't knock it on the fence, Crowd
boys didn't do it. And then those guys aren't
allowed to come to trial. Then the end of the trial comes
up and they go, OK, look, there was no plan, all right?
They didn't see a plan. But at one point in time, you
see Joe Big Nordeen fist bump each other.
And at that point in time, through telekinesis, they shot
these mind waves through the crowd.
And everyone knew that there was a conspiracy.
They joined it with that hand that fist bumped.
And we all entered into an agreement to stop the
certification of the election and overthrow the government.
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conversation with Joe Bates. So my guest today is Joe Biggs,
and the last time I talked to him, it was on a phone either in
a jail or a prison cell. Where were you last time we
spoke? Yeah, I was at the what they
like to call the DC Gulag. So that's where I was at.
I got the spend a few months there after the BS sentencing.
Horrible, Absolutely horrible. We had 15 minutes.
We got cut off by the the nice lady recording that tells you
that the your time is up. Obviously your circumstances
have changed. Let's let's refresh people with
your story 'cause I think a lot of people probably don't know
and it's it's important that it doesn't go away.
Yeah. So, you know, I joined the Army
after 911. I served in Iraq and
Afghanistan. I was in the 82nd Airborne.
I was in the First Armored Division.
I got out, got into journalism, missed the camaraderie of
having, you know, being around a bunch of guys, shooting the shit
talking, having fun. So I found out about this group,
the Proud Boys, right when they first kind of started up, I met
with them a few times in Austin, TX.
And I didn't like them because I thought they were very feminine.
And that's just that group there in Austin.
So I kind of, so I said, screw those guys, man.
I don't want to be a part of that.
But then I moved back to Florida and I was like, man, these dudes
are like really good man. Like these dudes are squared
away, you know, they're, they're all cops and stuff like that,
you know, former military guy. So I mean, we had like a, a
connection, a link there. So I really delved into the
whole, the whole thing then. And I worked at Infowars for a
while. I covered terrorism riots.
I was there for the Michael Brown hands up, don't shoot
thing. I was there for months covering
that. I was at the Botticon theater
attacks in Paris when ISIS went, I went on raids with the police
in Saint Benny when they chased the ISIS fighters all the way
into molobic Belgium. So, you know, I've been all over
covering things. So I've I've been through hell
and I got to go through it again.
So, you know, when January 6th happened, the last thing I ever
expected was that I would be framed for seditious conspiracy.
You know, we're a bunch of, you know, fun loving guys who like
to drink beer and, you know, maybe talk some, you know, trash
on, on the Internet, But that's really about as far as it go.
There is no seditiousness within our group.
But, you know, it just shows you how far this country's fallen
and, and how bad things are and how corrupt it got.
And, you know, now my goal is to try to educate people on what
it's like on the inside when you're getting screwed over like
that. And it's interesting to be able
to talk to someone, you know, like you, that's been on a
different side of that spectrum. So that's why I really wanted
to. I look forward to doing this.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, too.
So I just finished talking to Stuart Rhodes.
We just did this yesterday, and I spent five hours talking to
him, which is an awful long time to talk to anybody that you
never met. But the injustice of it stands
out pretty aggressively. Let's talk about what?
What elements of seditious conspiracy?
How did they, how did they determine that, that they'd laid
out a case that a jury could, could vote on?
I mean, we knew it was in DC, so I mean.
The, the, the, the, the lawyers, the prosecutors even told our
lawyers throughout the entire trial there's no way that they
could win the case unless it was in DC.
They knew they had no case whatsoever.
They just knew that all they had to do was get us in front of ADC
jury and then make that jury hate us.
And that's exactly what they did.
I don't remember. I don't recall how many times I
looked over at Dominic Pozzola or Ethan Ordean and and went,
are we going to talk about January 6th during this trial?
Because all they did was play videos of other people in street
fights with people who pulled a weapon or antagonize the group.
And then that person defended themselves against a group like
Auntie for Bill and then attack them.
And then they go look at this, these guys are racist white
people. And you know, you've got 90% of
the jury that's black and they're just sitting there just
fermenting. 8. And you know, we very rarely
ever talked about January 6th. And when we did, there was
nothing really to talk about because we didn't do anything.
I walked into an open door with two girls.
One of them asked me, what do you think about this?
And I go, man, this is kind of awesome.
I mean, didn't expect this to happen.
I walk up to a cop with his arms folded.
That's how scared he is of me. And I said he goes, what do you,
what can I help you with today, Sir?
And I go, well, I kind of go, you need to use the restroom.
I need to go pee real quick. And he showed me where the
restroom was. And I go with some friends.
We use the restroom. We don't destroy the restroom.
We don't putting the graffiti on the wall.
We don't steal anything. I pee and I leave.
Then I realize once I get outside of the Capitol building
that I can't find one of my friends.
So I go back in and open door. The cops watch me walk by.
There's no push and shove, there's no anything like that,
no animosity. I walk right past him.
I go and look in a few doors, don't see him to leave, and
eventually run into that guy later on in the evening and link
up with him. That's it.
That's all that happened that day.
And that somehow turned into seditious conspiracy that that
that, that we somehow had planned to overthrow the
government. The government had access to all
communications. They used the FISA courts to spy
on us. They had access to everything.
And we had transcripts of everything we've said on
Telegram, Facebook, Twitter, Parlor, whatever it may be.
And not once in six months leading up to that attack did
any of us ever mention the words insurrection, overthrowing the
government, capital, anything like that.
Never. It was never mentioned at all.
But still, they said they won during the trial.
They said by the end of the trial, you'll see a clear
leadership here to overthrow the government and install Donald
Trump. Then the end of the trial comes
up and they go, OK, look, there was no plan, all right?
We didn't see a plan. But at one point in time, you
see Joe Big Nordine fist bump each other.
And at that point in time, through telekinesis, they shot
these mind waves through the crowd and everyone knew that
there was a conspiracy. They joined it with that hand
that at this bump and we all entered into an agreement to
stop the certification of the election and overthrow the
government. You can't even make this up.
No, you can't. I listened to Stewart lay out
his case and essentially they had a similar argument that when
the men stacked up, that's what they called it stacking up, but
it was guys walking a straight line upstairs.
That that was the subliminal subconscious agreement to enter
into conspiracy. That's the way that he
articulated. I sort of remember hearing that
from somebody else as well and and going like what planet are
we on and how would you, how does a jury go with that and go,
OK, that that's obviously beyond a reasonable doubt.
It was because the judge was corrupt.
I mean, the judge, his wife at the time during the trial was an
assistant to Mayor Muriel Bowser, the ASAUSA prosecutors
that were over us, you know, prosecuting us was his old team
that he was in charge of. So it was one big hot tub, one
big, you know, you know, just menage a trois of just the same
people who have all been a part of the same thing, working
together in tandem to screw us over.
They all had the narrative planned out.
They knew exactly what they do, what had to do, what to say, the
lies to to to use, and they stuck by it.
And that's all they did was inflamed and piss off the jury.
They tried to show videos of someone hitting some person, but
it was never one of us. It was never one of the five of
us leaders, you know, that that were involved in any type of
violence or anything like that. But they would show these random
street fights and go see, these guys are evil.
They're mean. We've got to throw them in jail.
But then the judge would go. But wait, this isn't about the
Proud Boys. This is about these five
gentlemen. So why aren't you showing
anything about the five gentlemen sitting in front of
you and instead only showing videos of random people in
street fights across the country?
What does it have to do with us? But the jury sat there hook,
line and sinker and bought it. The the foreman, the head juror,
he was a trans right activist in DC.
How was that not, you know, you can't make this stuff up at all.
I mean, these guys are bigger conspiracy theorists than a lot
of the bigger ones out there. You know, it's, it's, it's
crazy. It's so hard to it's so hard to
fathom. I think the craziest thing is it
seems like time might have stayed still for you guys for a
little while because you've obviously you go into to to
prison and things are going to be kind of locked.
You don't have an experience of the outside world other than
what you're getting through a radio or, you know, whether it
be a wind up or you're, you know, get some Internet activity
a little bit here and there, but you're not experiencing it the
way everything else. And and the world kind of kept
moving. Let's I want to walk back in
time and kind of get mindset if it's feasible.
I don't know if we can we can capture that.
But let's go to 2020. Let's talk about the beginning
of 2020 as people started talking about COVID and some of
the like the shenanigans that went on in this country that
made the Proud Boys so villainized.
And and maybe you can give some insight from the Proud Boys end
of it, because all I remember hearing about was Gavin McGinnis
had to step away from his own group.
And, you know, just there was just like this full court media
press looking for something that it didn't seem like actually
existed. Yeah, they, you know, they,
they, they liked us to be the boogeyman.
That that's what they wanted. They needed someone to be the
bad guy. So they picked us and and they
wanted, they wanted us to be the face of white supremacy.
But that in itself is a farce because you know, the person who
took over after Gavin McGinnis is one of my best friends,
Enrique Tario and he's Afro Cuban.
We have multiple guys in the club who are black, gay, Jewish.
Guess what? If you want to be in the Proud
Boys, you have to a be born a man 2 love America and three get
along with everybody and have a good time.
That's it. You know, we, we, we either are,
we like to consider ourselves Alcoholics with a patriot
problem or patriots with a alcohol problem, you know, back
and forth. But we all just like to sit
around and drink and talk BS and have a good time.
When the Covic thing happened, when they started forcing people
in the military to take these shots, you know, a lot of the
guys would put up videos. We would talk about that.
We we didn't like that we like we believe in dangerous freedom,
the the ability to make our own decisions as to what we put in
our body. For me, I believe God made me
the perfect just how I am. You know that my skin is able to
stop these things from entering in it.
That's why we have it. I don't need to have all this
stuff. And that's just my what I
believe. You know, if you want to take
all these injections, that's fine.
But, you know, we don't feel that way.
And that should be OK. But they like to villainize us
over things like that. We didn't believe in transgender
story time. We don't believe in these, you
know, dudes with the sex offender charges, dressing up
like women coming into our public schools and libraries,
talking to little children that already have charges on them
against, you know, sexual acts on children.
So we had a big issue with that. That's another thing that the
left didn't like because they're all about destroying children
and innocence and things like that.
What about the I don't know if it was a beef or if it was an
imagined beef, but there's apparently you're kind of the
rivalry or the, you know, one side of the coin.
The other side of the coin, it's Proud Boys and it's Antifa and
and there has to be, you know, fist thrown, there have to be
words exchanged. There has to be this sort of
like, you know, nemesis operation happening in places.
What was that? Was that constructed?
Was that real? Did that grow into something
real, ever? It's grown into something very
real. I mean, to a point where they
have shot people and run them over like we will have our
events. And then they would show up and
become extremely psychotic and violent.
They would attack Proud Boys. They would attack Trump
supporters. And we saw that and said, no,
we're not going to sit there and take that.
We would watch on the news all the time, Trump supporters
sitting outside of his rallies being jumped by Antifa.
And we decided to go to these events as a whole around the
country and kind of play as a security because no one else was
helping them. So we decided, hey, we're a
bunch of alpha men, why not go out there?
Why not say, you know what, enough is enough.
Let's try to put it into this. So that turned into a whole
thing. And these people just started
showing up at all these events and they would show up trying to
kill people, run them over with cars, anything they could.
And then somehow the the CNN and all these different agencies
would say that we were the ones antagonizing that just my coming
to Portland and having an event was enough for them to be
triggered and to kill us. There was no like, well, it's OK
for them to have their right to free speech.
Maybe let's just not go to their event and leave them alone.
No, no, no. So my coming to Portland, the
mayor called me out and said you're not welcome here, Joe
Biggs and supported Antifa in trying to kill us and that has
escalated. It was just what I'm just trying
to remember what what, what laws in America, in any city, allow
the mayor to to exclude people from visiting.
Yeah, it was him and Mayor Marty Walsh from Boston that didn't
like me either. He put out a thing for me,
saying I wasn't welcome. I actually gave a speech at the
Boston Commons with Shiva Ardari and a man who quoted Martin
Luther King. And we were screamed at and
60,000 people showed up to protest us while there was a
group of maybe 30 of us. We had to be escorted out in
Paddy wagons through a sea of people while helicopters from
news agencies flew overhead. And all you saw were thousands
upon thousands of people losing in their mind over us talking
about freedom of speech in America.
How do we get like that in this country?
We took God ever out of everything.
That's my opinion. Evil has completely taken over
and it is run rampant. We don't hold things that are
good close to our hearts anymore.
We don't value the innocence of children.
We don't value the sanctity of our families and our marriages.
We sit here on dating apps and we go around and do drugs and
drink until we're just absolute psychotic individuals.
We're too concerned with ourselves and what's easily
available to please us, instead of fighting for what we should
be fighting for, which is our family, the future of our
children, and the better of our nation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Proud Boys have one of these
sort of cardinal pillars that Western chauvinism, Western
chauvinist was the thing I remember Gavin McGinnis talking
about. Can you explain what?
Because it sounds like that's what you just explained to me.
But there's more to it, or maybe there's less to it.
I don't know. I mean, I mean, that's it.
I mean, that's, that's, that's loving your country.
That's, that's, that's being proud that the West is the best,
that we are the forefront of doing the right thing.
You know, we are a beacon that that's there's there's no one
leaving America, jumping on a raft and going to Cuba and so on
and going help us. It's the other way around.
People come here for a better life.
People come here for an opportunity to pull themselves
up by their straps and do something.
And it can, anybody can come to this country, black, white,
whatever, and make something of themselves and become successful
business owners, entrepreneurs, fathers, mothers, whatever they
want to be. That's why this place is so
awesome. And that's why it's imperative
that people stand up and fight for it because this is the
greatest country in the world. There's too many people here
that say, oh, America sucks, America isn't great.
Have you ever left where you're from, like in Portland, OR?
Probably not. But I've been all over the
world. I've been to more countries than
I can even think of. My passports are stamped and
booked. I've got numerous of them.
I've been all over the place. And I can guarantee you everyone
out there wants to be here because it is the best, because
we have the best people who are willing to fight and die for it.
And that's why it is such a precious place, and that's why
it deserves men and women to stand up and fight for it.
Been a bunch of places. I agree with you.
It does feel like mostly people want to come to the United
States if they have an opportunity.
There's not a lot of second runners up.
If of the places that you've visited, what are some other
places that would be runners up to the United States that you
would be like, yeah, this is a tolerable place to live?
Where would you, where would you, you know, put down some
roots if you had to? Maybe top two other
alternatives? I mean, the only, the only way I
would live in some of these other places is just for the
fact that I've been through the ringer so bad that I just don't
like being around people anymore.
And I like to be out and kind of the wilderness and I love to
surf. I would move to Costa Rica
pretty quick. I like Costa Rica.
I like Panama, but you know, I used to like Australia.
I went to Australia when I was young.
The man they have, they're, they're really falling behind.
And you know, we have a chapter out there.
You know, I'm banned from New Zealand, I'm banned from Sweden,
I'm banned from Canada. I'm banned from all kinds of
different countries just for being someone who doesn't want
children to be, you know, sexually molested by dudes
dressed up like women at school story hours, You know, just that
that that belief alone right there was enough to get me
banned from multiple countries. When did When did these bans
come in effect? Was that before the conviction?
Yeah, yeah, this was like 2018. In 2018, I got banned from all
social media platforms, all the banks I was in and multiple
countries. And get this, I had just landed
in DC to speak at a a freedom of speech event on the 4th of July
at Freedom Plaza. And on the way there in the cab
with my whole crew of people, I got banned.
I'm I'm trying to go live to talk about the event because I
was going to be emceeing it. It was me, Gavin McGinnis, Roger
Stone, all kinds of different people.
And we're in the cab going up there and like, all right, guys,
I'm on Instagram, we're going live, blah, blah, blah, blah,
boom, zip. All right, I'm going to switch
over to Facebook real quick. Zip.
All right, I'm going to go to Periscope on Twitter.
Gone. Then the next thing you know, my
my phone starts beeping. You've been banned from Airbnb.
Boom. Chase.
Chase Bank has just banned you. Boom.
Bank of America just banned you. Boom.
All of it in one day. Within 30 minutes.
And that was in 2018. Yes, I just got social media
back for the first time since then.
What a wild arc. And.
Who? Who else was getting cancelled
when you were OK? So who else was getting
cancelled in 2018? Laura Loomer, Alex.
Jones. OK.
Alex Jones wanted to give me the award that he got from being the
most cancelled person because I think I surpassed him.
I mean, I got cancelled so bad. They, you know, falsely charged
me and convicted me of seditious conspiracy.
That's how much they didn't like me or Enrique Tario.
It, it, it blows my mind that just standing up for good,
wholesome American values is enough to make you a domestic
terrorist. And with that, I'm not going to
lie, I kind of take that as a badge of honor.
So when I was in prison, I got the word terrorist tattooed
across my chest because, you know, what if being a terrorist
means I don't want kids to be raped, that I don't want our
borders wide open, that I want, you know, I believe in, you
know, borders, language, culture.
Same thing to Michael Savage always says that I believe in
God, that I believe in freedom of speech, that I believe that
men should be men, that women should be women, that we
shouldn't have trannies running around in our military services.
If that makes me a terrorist, well then call me vanilla ISIS.
You look Wilder than the last time that I spoke to you.
You had a you had a beard, at least the pictures that we had
that were the most current. Before you, you went in, you had
longer hair. Now you've got, what is this
like kind of a Mohawk going on? What is it?
The Mohawk was way longer because it's kind of like, like
you got to have like your own thing.
That was my nickname and Joe was Mohawk, Trump or Proud Boy.
That's what they all called me. They love me in there.
Like people were hoping the, you know, the antifa, the BLM, the
Democrat, they were all hoping that a guy like me was going to
go into prison. I was going to break down.
I was going to snitch and get myself killed in prison.
Instead, I went in there and everywhere I went, everyone
treated me like a God. They love me.
They respected the fact that I'm someone who know knows what they
believe in, that stands up for what they believe in.
And I had guys who are Bloods, Crips, what do you call them?
Gangster Disciples, Satan Disciples, Aryan Brotherhood,
Aryan Brotherhood, Texas, all these dudes that they're just
crazy hardcore, you know, gang guys coming up to me, shaking my
hand, wanting pictures, wanting autographs, going, man, you, you
stand for something. And that's something that we
respect. And we want to know if we can
join your group. And I would have black guys come
to me all the time. Like, can a black guy let me
join the problem as I go? Yeah.
It's not have nothing to do with white people, You know, So what
they did is they really screwed up.
They, they gave, that's an opportunity.
And I hate this. People always ask me, do you
regret what happened? I don't regret what happened
because it's given me an opportunity to learn a lot.
I regret the time I miss with my daughter, you know, and that's
about it. But I don't regret the fact that
I got to meet all these people who now know that I'm not the
person the media said I was and that the Proud Boys are not the
organization that the media has portrayed us to be.
And now thousands upon thousands of individuals who have families
and talk to those families on the phone all know we're good
stand up guys. And I sit here and I still stay
in contact with these individuals.
And I'm going to make it my life's work to help a lot of
these guys that are in there that I know who shouldn't be in
there. Innocent people who are being
held right now for crimes they didn't commit.
And that's just not me listening to a story that they told me.
That's me looking at the actual black and white, the actual
paperwork put out by federal judges and things like that, the
transcripts from their trials, knowing that they're in there
right now for crimes they didn't commit.
So I want to help those guys out.
It seems like they, they gave people on the political right,
they being, I don't know, the left, the motivated media that
was pushing a lot of this stuff forward, an opportunity to to
have a new empathy for people in the prison system.
And, and I don't know that that could have happened without
January 6th. You think that's accurate?
Yeah, of course. You know, just like my mom, you
know, myself when someone was in jail before, I used to think
that anybody was in jail was probably there because they
deserve to be. You don't really understand just
how corrupt the system is until you get thrown through it the
way we did when you're sitting in trial and the FBI is coming
up there going, all right, we've got the evidence.
It's going to get Joe Biggs right here.
Here's a challenge coin by the Proud Boys.
Here's a Proud Boy T-shirt we found in his house.
Here's a Proud Boy flag. And here's one time that he said
he didn't like Rachel Maddow. And it's like, don't, don't,
don't evil. You know, it's like, wow,
really. Like, that's what we're here
doing. And the, the the reporters would
be like, man, he's got to go laughing all the time.
I'm like, yeah, because if I'm going to get screwed, I might as
well have a good time because I already knew that we were going
to lose. Because their entire goal was to
piss off the jury. That was mostly black.
That was a, you know, these guys were just going to hate us.
Whatever. But I sat there every day and I
would look at him and go, you guys should be embarrassed.
You should be disgusted with yourselves.
I don't know how to sleep at night.
But we would sit there. You know, me and Enrique.
Enrique would take naps. So when you're at the DC
courthouse in the middle of the trial, they'd have like these
little 50 minutes breaks. They'd make you go down and walk
through this whole area underground and you're all
shackled in your arms, your ankles and all that stuff.
And then they'd put you in a cell underground.
We'll leave you there for a while.
So Enrique would always take naps and I would take toilet
paper and toilet paper and cover them in that.
And the other inmates were sitting there like, man, you
guys are getting screwed more than anybody.
You guys are having a good time. It's like, you know what?
We're not going to let them break who who we are.
We're going to sit here with our heads held high and we're going
to survive this. And when we do survive this,
we're going to come out on the other end and we're going to
show everybody in the world just how messed up it is, just how
corrupt these individuals are and just how deep it goes.
And I'm glad I've been given the opportunity to come home earlier
than 17 years to actually talk about this.
Yeah, I'm also glad all of it has been really disgusting.
I think it's been illuminating. I think a lot of Americans have
lost faith in a ton of different institutions, to include the
Justice Department and the judiciary and a bunch of other
stuff. So some of this stuff is not
going to hit, they're not going to be able to do to just get
respect for what it is. I think a lot of folks, because
of what happened to you guys, and I may be speculating, maybe
it's just my own feelings, but I think people did have that
default feeling like, oh, someone's in prison, somebody
got charged with a crime. They probably did the crime.
And yet we watched people who were not accused of violence
being sent away for 18 years. Look, I work for the FBI.
I know what 18 years is. You can engage in creating child
pornography and selling it. It's actually abusing children,
selling it off for a profit and not catch 18 years.
Al Capone got 11 years, I got 17.
His restitution was 11,000 -, 3 million.
And is that gone now or what? What?
So what you were actually what? What?
What did they actually convict you of?
What were the the charges? Because I know it wasn't just
seditious conspiracy. So, so originally.
So originally when when they blasted my face all over the
Internet and said that I was one of the FB is most wanted, I
called the Daytona Beach field office and I said, all right,
you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to negotiate a
peaceful transfer. That way I don't have someone
coming in and kicking in my door when my daughter's here.
I didn't want that. So I called up there.
They didn't seem to have any clue.
I wasn't on the radar at all. They're like, oh really, You
were there? I didn't know that.
And they're like, well, we'll give you some, you know, I'll
call you back. A couple days later, this guy
calls me back. I'm not going to say his name.
He goes, well, yeah, we got to bring you in.
So what do you want to do? And I go, well, I don't want you
coming to my house, so can I meet you somewhere down the
road? So they pick me up.
They go, yeah, it's going to be really chill.
It's just going to be me and my partner coming to get you.
And Camaro comes in all blacked out and a Charger comes in an
SUV and an SUV and they all come out with guns.
And I'm inside or I'm sitting out in this parking lot in front
of this gymnastics center and I'm like, wow, I thought this
was going to be pretty chill. And they're all like, hey, we
need the safe. The the code to your safe.
We've got agents already going through your place right now.
They ripped like kicked in the door, all this stuff.
If they just told me like we're going to have people go in
there, I just left the door open.
But they destroyed that, went in there, just started taking
everything. They took, you know, evidence
that they could use against me, which was a brand new Xbox that
I had just bought for Christmas still in the box.
Some, I'm assuming some FBI agent over there, his kids got a
brand new Xbox that they're using.
That was their Christmas gift. They took just the most random
stuff, like I said, Proud Boy T-shirts, crowd boy flags that I
had, like military gear that I had in my garage.
I mean, I had the a permit to carry.
I had every right imagine, you know, afforded to me as a
retired Army veteran with a clean record.
But they just took all this random stuff and it was just, it
was mind blowing. You never think that something
like that can happen. And it's really amazing that,
you know, when I turned myself in, they took me down there.
They arraigned me at the federal courthouse in Orlando.
I get this lawyer and he goes, all right, the USA lawyer, this
female, she's only going to charge you with trespassing,
picketing, parading in an in a place for a certain amount of
time and there's no felonies. I was like, all right, let's do
this. Hell yeah.
I said, I'm glad I did this and turn myself in.
I get there and then the lady goes, well, actually we're,
we've got a 20 year count, a felony for obstruction of an
official proceeding. And then that's when it was like
dunk, dunk, dunk. And everything changed.
Everything changed. And the judge that day goes, all
right, I'm going to order you to house arrest.
They're going to put on an ankle monitor and the federal judge
and DC is going to hit you up and he's going to be taking the
case over from there. So about a week later, Judge
Kelly hits us up. We have a case before him.
The prosecutors, Jason McCullough from AUSA in DC, they
go, look, we've got this video, Mr. Biggs, his hand touches the
fence, the same fence that 1000 other people are touching.
Then his hand comes off and then like 10 seconds later, the fence
goes down and the judge goes, this is stupid.
He didn't knock the fence over. And he goes, all right, he gets
to stay on house, house arrest. So this trial does, I mean, this
little online hearing is, is over because that, like you
said, the COVID things going on. So we're doing all this stuff
from our houses just like we're doing now.
Well, all of a sudden a week later, the judge comes back with
the same video and goes, man, you're a terrorist.
He goes, what you did that day was terrorism.
And I go, wow, how did you go from telling the prosecutors
that this was a joke, that what you just saw was not credible
enough to show that I was a danger to society, that I've
done anything that was violent and that I should be put in jail
immediately? And somehow, in my opinion,
someone got to him. Someone said, hey, this is the
game plan and you got to change your mind.
And because you don't just change your mind like that, you
don't go, this is stupid and why are you putting this before me
in the court to wow, you're a terrorist all the sudden with
the same video and go to jail. You know, So I had to stay in
jail from April 20th all the way until January 20th, 3 weeks ago.
And that was in 20. 20th of 2021 four years.
What do we think? Like honestly, what what the
hell could happen? What could someone do that would
tell that would have a judge reverse?
You saw it, so you know, did he did he speak the same?
Did he look the same? No, I mean, he came in there
with vengeance that time. The second time around, he went
from basically the first time chewing out the prosecution.
I was like, man, I was like this guy squared away.
I thought I was like, man, I was like, I think we actually got a
good chance. He sees exactly what we see,
that nothing happened. But then immediately, the very
next hearing we had, he goes from nothing happened to that
was the worst day in the world. The prosecutor said that the
words coming out of my mouth was akin to like fully automatic 556
rounds coming out of a squad automatic weapon into a crowd of
people. I mean, literally using that
kind of terminology, it's, it's frightening to think that just
like that, you're at home with your family and then you're not
and you don't know how long that's going to be.
And you're thrown into an entire different type of ecosystem with
an entire different type of people, people who don't look at
the truth the same way that we do, that loyalty and integrity
and things like that. These are people who have had to
cheat still, not just because they're they're would be bad
people just because they've grown up in that type of
environment for so long. That's just how they are.
So it's psychologically extremely draining to go into an
environment where you can't trust anybody.
You've constantly got to watch your back because the jealousy
in people is insane. And it's just a different type
of mindset. And it's hard to get used to
that because here you are one day with your family, the next
minute you're in a whole different world with guys.
You know, when I was in solitary confinement, I was one of the
only ones that was in there for that long.
I was in solitary confinement for the first two years of my
four year sentence that I mean, not sentenced, but the four
years that I was in basically pretrial.
I was back there with the Lockerbie bomber.
I was back there with an ISIS jihadi, a serial killer and two
Ms. 13, the hitman. And they would talk through the
doors and go, why are you here? And I would say I'm trespassing.
And that's still debatable. What do they say to that?
What do these guys even say to that?
They laugh, they go, man, you're, you're lying to us.
And then eventually they would hear the radio and hear how I
was being held in that place. And they would go, oh, man, you
weren't lying. You're you're here for
trespassing. That sucks.
And then they would laugh or whatever like that.
And I'd go, I mean, I, I don't blame you.
This is ridiculous. And what's crazy, when you got
MS13 Hitman, you know, feeling bad for you and serial killers
and you're going to trial with the Lockerbie bomber.
It's it's yeah. It's really weird, You know, I.
Mean that has to change you as a human being.
And have you thought about some of the things that you don't
think anymore because of that? Oh, of course.
I, I, I've been telling everybody that the person who I
was is dead. You, you, you've got to
completely change. Not just for survival.
You know, I don't want people to misinterpret what I was saying.
You know, like I said, people respected me everywhere I went.
But that still doesn't mean you're not in prison.
That still doesn't mean that there are individuals there who
are just psychotic lunatic nut bags who will just slice your
throat if you look at them wrong way.
People are getting poisoned with fentanyl left and right, rumor
mill. And these places are through the
roof. If you look like you're doing
just a little bit better than someone else, they will hate on
you and they will steal it from you.
They will try to put a knife in you.
You don't say, excuse me, just by walking by somebody.
Then they they go and they look at you like, what am I here?
Do I not exist to you? And the next thing you know,
someone goes, hey, man, come over here.
I want to show you this. And then four dudes jump on you
and put knives in you. It's it's a whole other
environment. And it does change you.
It changes you because you've got to survive.
If you don't change, you die. You know, and I keep telling
people they're like, well, you could have just talked to them
and it could have made your time better.
No, once you're labeled, you can't be labeled a snitch.
It has to be in the paperwork. It has to be in the black and
white. Once you have that on there and
that you have ever cooperated or anything like that, you're dead.
And if you don't get killed at the spot you're at, as soon as
you get transferred, you're dead.
And it's not an easy way. They're going to gut you with
the most dull piece of metal that they can find that they've
cut from a bump, or they're going to throw fentanyl in
something and tell you it's something else and feed you
something and kill you right there and then you sit there and
laugh at you while you throw up and foam out of the mouth.
What? Kind of things did you see while
you did you see, I mean this, this sounds like experience that
you're you're talking from what kind of stuff did you say that
was I've given you that indication.
I got stuck in a cell with a guy that I believe is probably one
of the most pure evil people I've ever met.
This guy smoked meth. He was shooting up meth.
I had one cell, he tried to eat me because he was smoking what
is called deuce. I was sitting at my desk in my
cell drawing, and I love to draw and paint, and I had all these
art supplies. So I was sitting there and use
that to occupy my time if I wasn't reading Jack Carr books
or anything like that. And one day I'm just sitting
there and I feel pressured on the back of my neck and this
dude is tweaking out in the back of my neck because he is on this
drug that's called deuce. It is a drug that is rampant in
the BOP. It is a piece of paper that is
sprayed with all these different chemicals like raid and all
this. And they take a little tiny
piece of paper about that big and they wind up toilet paper
and lighten the toilet paper till it's just burning red like
a little ember. And they take that little piece
of deuce and they drop it on there and they use a straw.
Then they hop the smoke off of it.
And when they do that? Everyone reacts differently
because you don't know what chemicals are in there.
And this dude decided to try to take a bite out of me.
I had to fight for my life. I had to take the lock from my
locker and bash his head in, crack a skull open and I'm
soaked in blood. He's on the ground twitching.
The CEO comes in. He goes, what the Hell's
happened in Biggs? I go look at here.
He was like, this dude just tried to eat me.
I was like, he just took a bite out of the back of my neck and I
had to bash his head in. You know, you don't know what
that's like. You can't imagine that.
You can't imagine just to sit there and then some crazy person
bites you and you're not knowing that this guy's like legit, you
know, whatever's going on. So I bash his head in and the
dude just the cop looks at me and he goes, what do you want to
do? And I go, so I hope he's not
dead. I was like, but get the hell out
of here, man, and just forget you saw it.
And the dude just kind of walked off and left.
But the room was looked like a scene from Carrie.
I had blood everywhere often because when you hit someone's
head open like that, it's a bleeding, it bleeds a lot.
And there was there was blood everywhere.
There was a lot of blood and that dude was completely covered
in it and the walls were covered in it.
And that's not something you forget.
It's different. I never saw anything like that
in combat. Oh, it's so, it's so close and
I'm sure you weren't like mentally prepared for it.
If you're doing art, you're probably not in the in fight
mindset. It's a little different than
prepping to go into into a conflict.
Dude, I mean, I'd, I'd keep, I'd keep locks and stuff and socks
just waiting because there'd just be some people that you
knew were just on edge about certain things.
And if they decided to just choose to come into your room,
it could be some new guy that just got to that, to that
institution, that new FCI. And he might not know who I am.
So he might not know that most of these guys are going to have
my back. But he's going to come try me
because he sees me as just this white dude.
So you've got to be ready. You've got to be prepared all
the time because people will take your life quickly.
And if you're not willing to do that, you might as well just
call quits, because you ain't going to come home.
Are you still pretty edgy right now?
Yeah, yeah, man, I don't like going out in public at all right
now. Like I used to be like up until
3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, like very socially active.
And I went from being so used to overstimulation of travelling
and being around people and speaking all the time and being
on camera to solitary confinement.
And then my first time being around people, They're all
hopped up on meth and this other deuce drug and they're just
crazy, violent people. Yeah, it's it's insane, man.
Like my first weekend back here, my guys, the local PBS brought
me to the house party and I end up just locking myself to the
bedroom and sat in there all night by myself.
I couldn't do it, couldn't be around people.
It was overwhelming. It was like I, I have a lot of
trouble right now with anxiety and being around people.
I can't do it. I go to bed almost every night
at 8:00, but I have not slept in almost three weeks because my
mind is just racing non-stop. Like I'm so used to being on
guard and on alert that now I can't even figure out a way to
like really relax and lay down and just shut my mind off.
And it's hard. You've got to, you know, it's
all compounded with the fact that I didn't get a pardon.
I just got my sentence commuted and as a retired Army veteran, I
was making, you know, a certain amount of money every month and
I had the full use of the VA and now I don't, I today I tried to
go to the VA just to get help because I was, I'm at a breaking
point. I need sleep.
And I went up there and asked for help and they put in my
Social Security number and they said that I have been court
martialed for subversion against the United States.
And the guy got locked out of his computer system and I was
asked to leave. It was a little bit more harsh
than that. And I put the story out about
that earlier today on the on X. And luckily someone helped me
and reached out a local doctor and she helped me get a
prescription for some stuff that I needed to help with sleep.
And I hope tonight I'll actually get sleep for the first time.
But I didn't think in a million years that my country would turn
on me and then I wouldn't even have access to the VA.
You know, I, I fought for my country.
I almost died. I have purple hearts.
I've taken shrapnel, I've had my knee replaced that metal in my
right foot. You know, I've been through it
for this country. I did what I'm supposed to do
and I didn't back out. I didn't run away like Bowe
Bergdahl and start snitching on my unit to the freaking Taliban.
And I, I just, you know, I'm, it's a bittersweet thing
because, you know, I'm glad I'm home, but now I feel like a bird
and I feel like a burden because, you know, I still have
these terrorism charges on me. I can't get a job.
I can't go rent a place because no one's going to rent to me.
I can't even take my daughter on a field trip because my criminal
record is just so insane looking that if they see that they're
just going to be like, Hey, you're not even going to come
pick your daughter up. So I'm walking on egg shells,
man. And it's just, it's not easy.
And I don't know why they haven't given us a pardon.
I don't know why I don't have access to my my VA benefits, but
I'm just hoping that somebody will see one of these interviews
and someone will have a heart and Trump, Pete Head says.
Somebody out there, someone will help me.
And not just me, but Zachary Real and some of these other
guys that were there with me that day that were veterans who
didn't do anything, who didn't hurt anybody, who didn't steal
anything, didn't lay a finger on anybody.
We just want a chance to be able to provide for our families and
have a normal life. It seems like such a light ask
and and the fact that they pulled all the stuff out it, I
mean, I can't think of any other word except betrayal.
I mean, what else would you call that?
Yeah, You know, it is. It really is.
I don't know how you can lose benefits to something that I I
got because of something I did in my past.
Like I fought for my country and they owe me that.
They owe me those benefits because I fought and bled and
almost died numerous times. One day, September 26th, 2006,
on the Samara Bypass, I was blown up and almost killed.
I was pulled out of the vehicle, put into a convoy Green Berets
at a place called Brassfield Mora on the Samara Bypass and I
was taken to the hospital. On the way to the hospital from
that injury, I was blown up again, and then they started
shooting at us and trying to overrun us.
I've been through a lot of stuff, man, you know, and, and I
just want to be able to get help at a doctor when I need it and I
need it. And I wish they would help me.
What do you, what kind of information were you getting
about the way politics were working when you were inside
the, you know, what were you thinking prior to the election
as it was running up? Did you have a sense of hope
then? Did you think that you know what
I mean? What kind of mental state were
you in, let's say in November of last year?
I was pretty hopeful all the way up until the point when they
started trying to kill him. I'll never forget that day
because we had been on lockdown for about a month or so and they
finally turned the TV on that day.
It was on a Saturday I believe and I think it was like 5
minutes after he had already been shot.
But I'm just now seeing the TV come on and I just see herd of
Secret Service moving somebody into the into a vehicle and
leaving. And I remember looking at one of
the, the, the guy in the cell with me and I go, oh man,
there's probably another one of those dumb ass protesters
running in there trying to start something or just getting them
out of there. And then it goes back and it
says attempted assassination. And I go, what?
And I look and I see him standing there and I see him
turn his head and then grab a deer and drop down and my knees
just buckled. I go, Oh my God, that's it.
I'm done. I'm never going to go home
because and if he doesn't get in there, no one else is going to
let us out. No one else is going to stand up
to help us. And I, my heart, everything, my
future, everything flashed before my eyes.
I just, I was like, I'm never going to see my kid again.
I'm never going to have an opportunity to, to do so much
things that I wanted to do. And when he got up and said
fight by fight, man, talk about inspiring and, you know,
rejuvenating. And I was so ecstatic to see
leadership like that. You know, that's what America
is. You know, we get hit and we get
back up and we don't sit there and run off and cry and we fight
for what we believe in. And I was so positive after
that. But then in the way the news
cycle is, it was like a month later, they're already talking
about him like he was trash again.
And I'm like, Oh my God. And they're saying that Kamal is
like smart and that she's like a good candidate.
I, I couldn't, I couldn't believe it.
I go, I go. They've already shown that
they're willing to do whatever they can to take this guy out.
There's no way. And then the election happens
and I go, stay inside, dude, stop freaking talking to people.
Just stay somewhere and hide until you can get into your job.
Because I want to go home. So do my buddies.
Like you got all these people so dependent upon you just getting
there alive. And I remember being on the
phone and my mom said, Hey, they just tried to kill him again.
And I just put at the golf course that I go to all the
time. And I go, you, you just can't
believe it. And then you start hearing the
stuff about Butler and you start hearing the fact that everybody
saw this dude walking around with a range Finder.
And you know that that there was just no communication between
Secret Service and the local police.
And it was just these different egos playing and, you know, you
had these new Secret Service agents in there that watched a
video on how to do a presidential protection detail.
Like, what in the hell is going on?
So my, my faith in any type of system within the government has
been shattered. I just, I, I, I don't know.
It's hard for me to believe anything now because I had so
much bad happen to me for so long that it's hard for me to
believe that anything good could ever happen.
And, you know, I just, I got to a point that I didn't think that
I was ever going to get home. Even after he won the election,
I still just didn't believe it. I remember the night he won,
everybody was coming up to me and going pat me on the back,
man, that's it. And I go, that's not it, man.
I said they're, they're, they're, they're already trying
to kill him. I said, you know, and that
Iran's got a hit on. It's like, there's no way.
There's no freaking way because he is surrounded by morons,
people who are part of the resistance and care more about,
you know, Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and you know, all this
other crap and not enough about saving this country.
I just didn't have any faith anymore.
And it just it, it was hard. It was a struggle.
And even on the 20th, on Inauguration Day, on
Inauguration Day, the captain of the compound that I was at in
Talladega FCI in Alabama, I get called AT2O clock in the
afternoon. And the captain, this black guy,
he goes, I need an address that you could go home to if you were
to go home. Apparently your boy won and
thinks he has enough power to get you out.
He goes, you're not going to leave.
I just want you to know, but if you were to go, where would you
go? And I give him an address where
I'm going. And he goes, I hope you never
get out. He goes, I hope you stay in jail
and you rot there for the rest of your life.
He goes, I hate you. And then he just turned around
and left and I'm just sitting there shocked.
And then he comes back and he goes, why are you still here?
Take your white supremacist ass back to your cell, lock the
door. You're not leaving.
Goodbye. And 8:30 at night, one of the CE
OS comes up to me and goes, the administration just called.
They called. The warden said you've got to
leave right now, get your stuff together.
Like I you just don't, I mean, I just, you know, earlier, I'm
just being told screw you. I hope you're staying here
forever. And then all of a sudden they're
rushing to Get Me Out. And then I'm, I'm like, man,
still something stupid is going to happen.
I know it. There's something's going to get
screwed up. And sure enough, as soon as I
get into the office for that's called R&D releasing departure.
I'm filling all this paperwork and that same cop comes back and
goes, He goes, he goes, guess what?
You're not getting a pardon, dude.
And he goes, you're just getting your sentence community.
He's like, good luck out there. And just, like, laughs and turns
away and leaves. Yeah.
That's crazy. Everything about that is crazy.
And then what? That, where, where did you go?
You you're released at 8:00 at night.
No, I, it, it took until 11:30 or 12 around midnight because I
didn't get a pardon. So because of that, the federal
judges, Judge Ahmed Maeda and Kelly and all them still part of
the resistance decided to put us on restrictions like, like we
had to do probation. They didn't really care that the
commutation meant that everything was over, which is
your sentence. You've served your time, which
means there's no probation. So we had to sit there and wait
on this process to play out where they, at the middle of the
night, contact the probation offices across the country for
the 14 or 15 of us that didn't get pardoned.
And that was a nightmare to sit here and go back and forth and
wait on the stupid paperwork. And then I finally get contacted
by the probation officer down in Florida and she's saying, you
didn't get a pardon and you're on probation and ha ha, ha, ha
ha, and all just laughing and having a good time.
And she goes, you're not going to get a pardon.
You're never going to get a pardon.
And she's like, you're going to be stuck on this stuff for years
and years and years and we're always going to have control
over you. And ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
And then finally, two weeks later, about a week and a half
ago, she calls me and goes, well, I'm sorry.
I hope there's no hard feelings. Good luck out there.
And they released me because I should have never been on
probation in the 1st place. But they were threatening that
if we were to do anything or, you know, break any of these
rules, that they wouldn't tell us what they were.
They would throw us back in jail.
So I was a nervous wreck. And it's just like, it's so hard
to believe anything is going to happen because all this dumb
crap keeps happening. That's just frustrating.
And that was only, what, a couple weeks ago?
Two weeks ago. Yeah.
So what have you been doing for the last two weeks?
What you know as you're, you're free, the incremental freedom,
but you're, you're free. What are you spending your time
doing? Well, I tried to go get a house
as soon as I wrote the person on the 21st century, you know, real
estate thing you put in your name.
I got hit back up around 9:00 that night and the lady, the
real estate agency goes, are you Joe Biggs, the insurrectionist?
F you, you're not going to get a place.
So I go, OK, well, that's how this is going to go now.
Great. So then after that I just kind
of said, you know what, I'm just going to have to wait a little
while to see what happens. And that's kind of where I'm at
right now. Like I can't do anything.
I'm here, but that's it. I feel like a bird and it sucks
because I could be out there doing stuff and I could be
providing and I could be speaking to people and
travelling around and I'm still considered a terrorist.
And I will be flying to DC next week to C pack.
But stay tuned because I don't know what that's going to be
like to be to, to try to fly while you still have all this on
your record. I hear it's not a very fun
process. And you've got to you go into
the counter, you check in, they come and swarm you with federal
agents. They take you into the back and
interrogate you, strip you down, search you, escort you through
TSA, strip you down, search you, escort you to the door of the
plane, search you, escort you onto the plane, search you, you
fly, you land, you're brought off the plane at the door,
search, brought into a backroom and search, brought up to the
front and searched and then allowed to leave.
Yeah. So you've been hearing people
who are on the quiet skies, the the Quad S list and some of the
experiences they've had and that's what you're looking at.
Yeah, but we live to fight another day.
Indeed, I've got some people I want to introduce you to,
especially people in Florida who might be able to help mitigate
some of that stuff because we've got some contacts for that.
I mean, this is stuff that's been going on while you're on
the other end of it. This is the war that people have
been dealing with on the outside.
Much, much less involved than being in prison, obviously.
But this, this harassment is wild.
Is there is there any contact with folks that are in who who
handles this? Just the White House?
I mean, really, that's it. I mean, you know, it's, you
know, I like I said, I hate to seem like, you know, this
negative Nancy and everybody keeps saying hold the faith,
but, you know, I don't know what I mean.
What have I been doing for the last four years?
You know, I hear them come out and go, well, we might be
thinking about giving Rod Blagojevich a pardon.
And then the next day, he's pardoned.
He's free now to run for mayor again.
And I'm sitting here going like, if the process is that easy, why
am I still sitting here as a veteran who fought from my
country and watch my friends die in front of me and almost died?
Why can't I just have have a snap of a finger and have my
stuff wiped because I didn't do anything.
All you had to do was be there at the trial.
I wish we could go back and televise that.
And that's the reason they don't like to to film and allow
cameras into the federal trials because it is so corrupt.
If people could have seen, if the world could have seen the
Proud Boys trial, they would have had 0 faith in our
institution whatsoever because it was such a joke.
It was such a joke and such a waste of money and so
ridiculous. I just hope, yeah.
Where are the FBI agents? Where were they from that that
were testifying against you? One of them was a local 1 here,
another was a local 1 from where Dominic lived, the other one
from where Enrique lived, another one from where Zach
lived. And the really the only thing
they brought into the to to the to the fray was like, oh, they
had a the Proud boys flag or a T-shirt.
And it's like, Oh my God, they're so scary.
We had to listen to them constantly say that five police
officers were killed that day, which is just false.
And even, you know, what's kind of surprising is even Wikipedia
updated and says like 5 protesters were killed that day,
but no cops were killed that day.
And they finally switched it on there.
But you couldn't be honest about it during the trial when our
lives are on the line. That didn't matter.
No, because you have a narrative, you know, So it's,
it's a process and I want to get my hope back and I want to have
faith in my country. But right now it's shot.
That's just being honest. I don't blame you.
I don't blame you at all. But I'm seeing, I'm seeing
people, I'm seeing people get pardoned left and right right
now and they're saying, well, it's going to be a process with
you, man. I'm like, really?
Because these other people I'm watching on TV, every day is a
new pardon of somebody coming out.
And they the day before was like, well, we don't know if
we're going to do this. And then the next day it's like
they're on on freaking news everywhere, hugging their
family, getting back to life. And here I'm still sitting here
twiddling my thumb's going hello, did you guys forget about
us? I don't get it.
Like why, why, why are we being treated differently all?
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Yeah. Why?
I'm, I'm, I'm also trying to work through it.
Is there is there a logic or I mean, there's got to be
attorneys that are talking to you about what they think is
happening. Do is there what's what's the
speculation? No, I have no idea.
It doesn't make any sense to them.
The lawyers are completely dumbfounded by this.
They have no there's no what jet of the reason because there were
people who are actually violent and actually maybe stole or
property destruction that day. Free and clear charge his wife
like it never happened. Expunged.
They can go out and do whatever they want.
They can go to the gun range tomorrow and go buy guns.
I can't do anything and all I did was walk into an open door
with two hot Italian chicks, go take a piss and leave and I'm
somehow scary Batman. If they can, if if Trump strokes
out a pardon, you get the paper is does that give you
opportunity to reapply and get your your VA benefits?
What is the do you have any idea what that looks like?
Under what? Under what?
How? How do they even pull that away?
I guess I I've, I've heard this happen.
I don't know why and I don't understand how, so maybe you can
tell me. So the only way for me to get
back my benefits as someone who was charged with seditious
conspiracy is to have a full, full, no strings attached, full
forgiveness presidential pardon. That is the only way.
And the way that it is set up right now is if we get the
pardon and then it can go to people like Ed Martin and those
in DC and then get our records expunged.
But we have to have that pardon. I don't know why that's a thing.
But in order for me to get my life back, I've got to get that.
And, you know, I am very bitter. And I'm just, it just sucks
because, you know, everybody in my family is just like, how can
they take something from you that you already fought and
almost died for? You know, you're dealing with
enough stuff from that already as it is.
I had enough to write a book about before January 6th.
I mean, come on now. And I, I, I don't care about
that. I just want my life back.
I want to be able to go to the VA and seek help and be able to
sleep at night and just enjoy being home with my family.
And I cannot do that right now. I imagine not have there been
any offers to tell your story, write a book, this sort of thing
you just is that is that been approached have have.
Anybody I've had, I've had a few film makers that I personally
know just kind of say they're interested.
I've had one publication, I don't remember the name of it
because I wasn't expecting the call.
So it just kind of came out of nowhere that they were
interested in possibly doing a book with the five of us and
then a joint one as well. But I haven't heard anything
back from them. Right now, I'm kind of just
getting ready for the DC and hoping that I can get through
that without, you know, them trying to throw me in jail
again. I should be able to travel
around the country. You know, I fought for this
nation. I should be able to be welcomed
in DC or Portland OR Boston or Tampa Bay or, you know, wherever
Butte, Mt. It shouldn't matter.
I should be able to go there and hang out and have the same
freedoms as anyone else. And that's just all I want.
So are you going to, are you speaking at CPAC or were you
invited to do anything there? I think the only way they'll let
us do it is it's like one of those like really weird fringe
side, you know, rooms where they have like the smallest room
possible. But you know, one thing that
Enrique and I have is the ability to get the attention of
the media in a really fantastic way.
So I think I have some ideas. We'll see what happens.
Yeah, indeed. And would you, do you think that
being as public as possible and keeping your name out there as
as frequently as possible is, is really your only path to to, you
know, stimulate this, this positive outcome?
Yeah, it is. I mean, I'm afraid that if I if
I am not like I, I've tried to reach out to everybody on every
network you can imagine of Newsmax, America's Voice.
I have not gotten a response from anybody before this.
These people are constantly beating down my door, want me to
come on and talk about stuff. Because I would come on as like
a war correspondent. I would come on and talk about
the border. But then this thing happened and
it's like the same people who say that they support us won't
even take my calls or answer my emails.
So, you know, I, I, I want to be in front of the camera as much
as I can, talking about Prison Reform, talking about what it's
like to go through this experience as much as I can.
Because I feel like if I, if I don't have that opportunity, I
will be forgotten. That Zachary Real will be
forgotten, that Dominic Pizzola will be forgotten, that Ethan
Nordine and many others, you know, Stewart Rhodes, that will
be just left in the dust to rot and be burdens.
And I know it sounds all Billy Hilly, but that's really what it
is. You know, like my family needs
me to be able to be the provider that I am.
I am a single father and I have a mother and a 7 year old
daughter. That's it, that's my family,
that's my circle, that's all I got and I need to be there for
him. So I'm hoping this will help me.
I'm hoping that someone will see this and they will go.
That sucks. That's crazy.
That shouldn't be happening. This is horrendous.
This is an atrocity. Let's help these guys.
So please help us. Who is your your elected
representative? Who's your congressman and where
you're living right now? Well, it was Michael Waltz and
now he is kind of busy with a new job.
We both have a very mutual friend.
I've been to his book signings before, but he is no longer the
congressman here. There's someone else.
And I have been gone for so long, I don't really know the
insurance and outs of Florida politics outside of Ron DeSantis
being the governor. So I've got to do some delving
into that and figure out who I have here in Volusia County and
who I can reach out to to talk to.
Yeah, is there, is there an angle that like a like a, a
strategy, some sort of legal strategy as somebody was
speculating that maybe keeping some of the, you know, a handful
of you all commutation instead of pardons was because they
wanted to do something to change, you know, the way that
that, that the system work there.
But I, I, I can't figure out what the hell that is and why
people keep speculating. You know, people said the same
thing to Stewart Rhodes and and he doesn't seem to have an
answer. Nobody's explained that to you
that there may be some angle. No, I have no idea.
Like I said, I just don't have faith right now.
I hope that these people pull through and they do what they
said they were going to do, that they were going to pardon us and
give us our military benefits back.
And I'm just waiting around for that.
I, I really, I, I've talked to lawyers.
No one can really get a an idea as to why we've been singled out
for all this, and I just don't really have an answer for that.
It's just that we're stuck in this limbo and we're hoping that
maybe someone will see this and go, OK, this is horrible, let's
help them. But it hasn't happened yet.
So I'm hoping someone will see this interview or Stewart's and
they will take a look and finally do the right thing for
us because we definitely deserve it.
Yeah, I'm flabbergasted. I mean, I'm, I don't have a lot
of questions or difficulty forming questions, but I'm, I'm
sitting here in my brain and I'm listening to your story and I'm
hearing the, the, you know, the fact pattern is absurd.
The things that happened are crazy.
They've been crazy. We've had five years of crazy.
And the other thing is, and I don't know if you're even aware
of this, but there were people that were talking in the
political circles. They, they didn't want to come
talk to me because I hurt people's feelings.
They didn't want to come talk to you guys because January 6th was
a losing issue. And that's what we were told
that politically was a losing issue.
So they didn't want to bring up these things.
But all that stuff's in the past.
Now at this point, the, the, the issue is irrelevant.
And it's not like you're going to be able to stop the
electivity. You know, the, the future
election of Donald Trump, it's this is it.
He's got one shot. He can do anything he wants.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I don't understand.
We just watched Joe Biden's pardon his entire family
preemptively without ever being charged for anything.
So what kind of political capital would you be spending to
take a couple of military veterans and give back their
benefits and say, hey, you can go out there and own firearms
And you, you didn't get accused of anything violent.
And there was absolute bullshit that happened in Washington, DC,
which is why they're considering, I mean, how do you
react to people saying that they're, they're thinking about
prosecuting, you know, assistant United States attorneys going
after, you know, FBI agents? What?
How does that sit with you? I, I mean, I, I just right now
I'm just focused on me and my family.
I'm going to be honest, I'm being selfish.
And I mean, it's not being selfish because you know, I've
been told he, he, this is what he goes, he goes, we're going to
get him. He goes, the Proud boys didn't
do anything wrong. He goes, they should be full
pardon. And we're going to do it for him
day one. And I'm waiting and I'm happy
that I'm out, but it's such a double edged sword that we are
out and there's nothing we can do.
We can't get a place, we can't get a job, we can't provide for
our family. I can't even go get seen at the
doctor. I can't do anything.
I walk around everywhere and everyone knows who I am.
And you love me or hate me, but that still doesn't put food on
the table, that still doesn't put insurance on my vehicles,
that still doesn't help me get a home for my daughter.
That doesn't help me do anything until I get that pardon that
everybody else seems to be getting that over the last few
days. You know, everybody's coming out
of the woodwork getting a part and asking for one, getting one,
but for some reason we can't. So yeah, that's all.
I don't. I, yeah, I don't want to belabor
the question because I, it, it just seems like it's such a
simple solution and and I, I really empathize with this, this
problem. I, I don't it, it feels like
some things just got left behind and and.
Like you said, few people. Like you said, this isn't going
to affect his career. I could understand, you know, it
can't cost it. Can't cost anybody anything at
this point. We're just, we're dismantling
all this corruption in the government and but we're worried
about, Oh my God, Joe Biggs just got a full part no, OK.
It won't even make it through. It won't even make it through 12
hours of the news cycle. I can tell you right now, having
watched it for the last couple years, it it'll it'll be a blip
on the radar. I just watched Tulsi, Tulsi
Gabbard, who was apparently, you know, a huge problem and she was
confirmed and it didn't even get reported for the first couple
hours because people already you're dealing with other stuff.
You know, they're just they're talking about hairy balls and
big balls. And we're just in such a goofy,
it's just a goofy moment, which by the way, that that's very
funny. Like there's nothing more
American than that than trolling the media with with balls jokes.
That makes me happy. But.
There's an awful lot of injustice that just has not been
corrected still. And it Yeah, I'm, I'm with you.
I don't, I don't want to see it fall.
You know, I I have this long memory on it.
While we're thinking about the injustice piece of it, let me
ask you, if you can, if you don't mind being specific, who
are the biggest villains in your saga?
The people that have really done some things that were wrong that
that acted in in bad faith. And, and if you can kind of
highlight any of them, I'd be really interested to know
whether it was media that was calling it ugly or whether
they're people that were in the, the legal system.
Just I'd love to know what they're, what they're about, and
who they are. Well, I would say first and
foremost, I think it all comes down to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck
Schumer. I think they were the
ringleaders behind a lot of this.
Mayor Muriel Bowser, You know, both these people denied
National Guard going that day. Trump asked for all that.
It's like they wanted something to happen.
They had these fake bombs set up at the RNC and DC, but they
didn't need it because they had so many undercovers.
There were like 50 undercover federal agents just with an hour
group and they were all live texting.
The FBI going Proud Boys didn't start it.
Proud Boys didn't knock it on the fence.
Proud Boys didn't do it. And then those guys aren't
allowed to come to trial. So, you know, you've got the the
higher ups in the FBI that have completely just crapped all over
the Constitution and all over our rights.
You have people like Jason McCullough, you have people like
our judge that just sat there and cooked out to the Democrats
and everything they wanted and played right along with it
knowing that everything was a lie.
To me, that's the the scariest thing is that these federal
judges should be fired. They should be removed and these
types of people should not be allowed to sit on benches like
that and and hold people's lives in their hands because what they
did is disgusting and it is more UN American than anything
happened on January 6th. Yeah, it does seem like there's
A at least a sense that people are getting these guys are
really a problem, that there's a serious problem in the judiciary
that the inferior judges are, they're overstepping and they
are, they're not acting honest. I mean, I don't know anybody who
covered any of the J6 stuff. And I talked to Steve Baker
pretty extensively and he went to a number of trials and he's
working for the Blaze right now, was charged himself.
And at the same time, he's like these people, they're, they're
partisan. They're, they're weighing in on
it. There's no blind justice in that
case. And they're just revealing the,
the truth to people, which, like I said, it's making conservative
people who generally support law enforcement, who generally are,
you know, are pro judiciary and think that if you're there, you
probably deserve it. And a lot of people are starting
to open their mind up and go, holy crap, how biased is this?
How? How unfair is this system?
The worst, the even the scarier part is I've never owed more
than 1000 or so in in taxes ever.
As soon as I left, the IRS started charging my mother
$17,000 a year. They were extorting her saying
that I owed that much money. The VA is claiming that we owed
thousands and thousands of dollars.
And my mom was scared, didn't know what to do and was paying
all this stuff off. And I've never owed this kind of
money before in my life to these people.
And all the sudden they're coming after her.
And, you know, it's put her through a lot of stuff and you
know, it, it's, it's just, it's sick and disgusting.
And I hope that we can get this rectified and move on and
continue to dismantle the corruption and help bring this
country back to the greatness it deserves to be.
Your mom and your and your daughter are the two people in
your circle, you said right now, how's your daughter handling all
this? If I walk out of the house to go
to the store, she freaks out and thinks that I'm never going to
come back again. She has massive PTSD from that.
She thinks that anytime I leave now that I might not ever come
back in that door again for a long long time and she clams up
and gets super anxious and has anxiety now because of that.
For the first two years that I was gone, I found out that she
would not sleep unless there was a frame photo of me in the bed
with her and she would hold it and that was just her only way
to have a father. So I'm really pissed off about
that. I am also pissed off about that
now is an has she been talking to anybody?
Has she been seeing anybody to to try to help get through this
or you guys are just pushing in with?
We're just, you know, I, I sit there with her and look at her
and decide to just get her to understand that, you know, I'm
not going anywhere and that I just need to go to the store
and, you know, it's baby steps. It's not easy.
You know, it's been a struggle because she just, she's had her
trust, you know her, I don't even know how to explain it.
Like just that that safety net of having a dad was stripped
from her for so long. And now that I'm back, she for
the first time in school has a dad, you know, and you know,
it's just this whole new process we have to go through.
I have to, you know, I left her at 3 and she's about to turn 8.
So it's been, it's been a long time.
So it is a process and we will get through it, but you know,
damn these people for putting my little girl through that and I
hope that this is something that she will be able to push through
later. I do as well.
That's that's my oldest sage. She's the same.
I've got three daughters and you know, my oldest is, so I can
just picture that. I know exactly what those stages
are. I also know what you missed.
Yeah, I mean. Just brutal.
Everybody goes, oh, my God, the Proud Boy cried like, yeah, when
I was sentenced, had nothing to do with the fact that, oh, my
God, I'm going to prison. It's like my little girl is not
going to have a dad to take her to school.
And if I'm gone for 17 years, in that moment I thought most
positive thing in my life is gone now.
I'm not going to see her go to prom.
I'm not going to see her do a lot of stuff.
And that really, really, really hurt me inside.
I mean, I can, you can throw me in a hole for another two years.
I'd rather experience that than ever have to.
To just have that feeling of, you know what I felt that day,
knowing that I might not ever see her again.
That's not easy. It's not not something that's
fun to think about. So.
It's horrible, man. Yeah.
It's just awful. What can people, what can people
add to this? Because I think a lot of people
are going to have the same sense of injustice.
They're going to want to be able to do something.
I don't know that a lot of us know what that thing is.
Should we should, does there need to be a letter writing
campaign? You know, obviously there
there's certain contacts that I'm going to try to contact.
Whether they care what Kyle Seraphin has to say or not, I
have no idea. But I'm willing to, I'm willing
to make the calls. But I'm wondering if, if just if
there's a groundswell people that some of these injustices
have to be fixed. For this country to heal in any
way. That's what the left does.
That's one thing that's always interesting.
When the left gets behind something, they all total line
and they get behind it and they all fight for it and it happens
on the right. We bicker and we in fight and we
point fingers and blame and I disagree with you and I disagree
with this. We need to pull our heads out of
our asses and we need to get behind the people that need to
get their lives back together. So, yeah, I think people should
be writing letters in masks. They should be calling in masks.
I want politicians ears ringing with our names.
I want them to be so sick of it. They go President Trump, just
pardon them so we can move on. That's it.
Just anything people can do to help us, you know, I mean, I, I,
I hate asking people for donations, but I have a website,
freejoebiggs.com and you can donate if you fill it in your
heart that you want to do that. You know, I'm, I've always been
someone that likes to do things on my own, but I don't have the
ability. And if you can do it, that's
great. If not, I understand, you know,
if you want to pray, that's fine as well.
But we need, we need people to hear this.
So we need people to care. And I want people to have a
heart, if not for me, for, you know, little Savannah.
So that's all I got. I think that's fair.
I think it's, I think it's a perfectly reasonable position to
be in, to have a lot of a lot of doubt right now.
And I don't blame you. The other thing is I'm, I'm just
thinking of, you know, I've talked to other folks and you
guys are in such a unique situation having been let out so
abruptly. Most people transition to some
kind of a halfway house situation.
They have like a, you know, work release or whatever it is.
There's some kind of program that it kind of, and, and
anybody you talk to that's gone, gone through those tells you
like they go through all kinds of stages of, of, of paranoia
and anxiety and they don't know how to, to adapt.
And and that's part of the reason why that stuff is is
useful and they slowly integrate themselves back in because four
years is a long time. Yeah, we don't get.
That, you know, you, you, you come out of the military and,
and, and you're not normal because you've been, you know,
associated with something else and you got to have an
adaptation there. And even then you were at least
you were free. You know you may have.
This, this feels, this feels way harder.
You know, after, after years of combat, you come back and it's
like, all right, you know, I went and fought a war.
Obviously, you know, I'm not now, but I've been in a
different war for the last four years.
I'm a physical war, psychological war.
The psychological torture I've been put through in the last
four years is like just it would blow your mind, you know, And
it's like you said, we're not getting that help that everyone
else gets when they come out of that situation.
We're just thrown out here with a muzzle, our hands tied, our
feet tied, and we're told good luck.
You know, it, it just kind of like a slap in the face.
It's like, well, you should be happy you're home.
You should be happy with your daughter.
Well, yeah, I am happy, but it's still not having my life.
I still feel like a prisoner. I still feel like I'm unable to
just shed what everyone else is. Everyone else that got that
pardon can just celebrate and let loose and clear their mind.
And I still have to live in this prison mentality right now
because I don't have the freedom.
It's a fake freedom. Yeah, it's still following you,
You. Know I just want to let it all
go. I was so happy that day on the
20th when he was inaugurated that I thought I could finally
just let all this go, this burden, this everything off of
my shoulders and finally just relax and be happy and, and it's
a slap in the face. It's another betrayal, so.
I'm I don't think your story's over.
I think this has been a really interesting redemption arc for a
lot of this stuff. I think that if you'd asked me
six months ago if we were going to be sitting here, I would have
said, no. I'm, I'm a pessimist.
And I've had, I have not had a lot of faith that any of these
things were going to come to pass.
I didn't even think we were going to have an election.
So between two of us and everybody listens to my audience
has heard me say it. I thought they were more
shenanigans afoot. And we are about to get deeper
and darker. I still think it's going to get
weird for another 6 to 18 months in this country.
But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be a free man if
you're really a free man. And so I will you got you got me
and probably everybody who's listening to this in your
corner. I think that nobody can hear
your story and think otherwise. And the saddest thing is, is
that like you say, they let out people who legitimately probably
deserved a little bit of time in prison fighting cops, hitting
cops, getting into, you know, altercations that were physical
and violence against folks that we generally don't think should
be, you know, if you're a federal officer doing your job,
you shouldn't be you shouldn't be punched in the in the line of
duty. And at the same time, you guys
didn't have that accusation. And and I saw the same thing.
And I just, like I said, I just talked to Stewart Rode and, you
know, no violence alleged there either.
And it's just the the craziest moment to look at a justice
system that decided to go after a bunch of guys.
And then for those that be the people who've been held out and
said, you're not going to get the pardon.
Meanwhile, people who took swings, you know, stole things,
broke stuff. Think about this, think about
this. The in prison there's a point
system, right? So depending upon your points
depends upon the, the chain of custody you're in.
So that'd be a a camp, a low, a medium, a penitentiary from zero
points to 15 points is a camp. I had 9 points and I was at a
medium high. You know, I'm there with
straight up murderers and killers and terrorists and
serial killers and child rapist and rapist and Super Bowl
winners who are rapists and all this stuff and Lockerbie
bombers. And it's like you go every six
months for like this report card, this update and it goes
violence extremely low. They see me as a extremely low
threat across the board. I shouldn't even be there.
You know, if something would have happened to me, I should be
able to sue the hell out of those people because I should
have never even been around those people.
I should have been at some Pensacola camp in Florida just
chilling around waiting to be able to talk to my family
whenever I want to and FaceTime them like they do on these
tablets. But I ain't getting none of
that. I was constantly in the hole.
I was constantly getting screwed with.
I was constantly being psychologically tortured by the
police. And they're saying that, hey,
you know, screw you. We we're going to get you a
child porn. We're going to say that we found
hard drives in your cell, that you were holding this kind of
stuff just to screw with you. They did that to me this past
Thanksgiving. I lost my mind.
I go, what, I could never do something like that.
And they come up to me on Thanksgiving and going, we're
going to get you with this and laughing and joking and say,
everybody, all the cops are saying that this kind of stuff's
going on, man, what's going on with you, blah, blah, blah,
blah. And just, and then I go to the
higher ups and I go, how, how can this be a thing?
Like, how can you guys just falsely accuse people of stuff
like this? And they're like, oh man,
they're just screwing with you. And I go like, that's not
screwing with somebody, especially when they've been
through what they've been through.
Like that's just so messed up. So, so ridiculous.
Yeah, it's really dark. Yeah.
Well, you've gotten advocated this program.
You're always have an open door to come back and talk with me
and and talk to the audience here.
And, you know, we're not the biggest show in the world, but
we've got some pretty dedicated people that have a lot of big
hearts. And I think you think we're
going to start writing some letters.
I think that's the thing, Pen to paper, we need to make this
thing move. This has got to stop.
And again, this it doesn't cost him anything.
So like to see people, folks, if you're listening to this and you
have it in your heart, you need to write to your reps,
especially if they're Republicans and you need to be
right until Donald Trump. You can write to the White
House. You'll be, you'll find this kind
of amusing. I found letters, Joe, when I was
working for the Bureau that had been written to the White House
under George Bush and they were in files at the FBI had forever
and they had nothing to do with anything.
They just had somebody's name in it.
And it was a person that I might have been investigating.
So I went looking for it and I found out that the White House
would get letters and they would log them and they, you know,
somebody writes a letter, it goes somewhere.
So it has to be no emails, no bullshit Change.org nonsense,
like legit piece of paper, stamp envelope, send these things off.
Let's move the needle on this. This.
I don't think your story's over though, my friend.
I don't think it's over yet. And I hope not the pain.
It's not for selfish reasons either.
Like I said, I met a lot of good guys in there who have been
there since the 80s and 90s in prison for crimes they did not
commit. And I need my rights back.
I need my life back so I can fight for these men because
they've been waiting. I only had to go through this
for four years. These guys have been going
through this for 30 something years.
And that really hurts too because I made them promises.
I thought that I was going to get a pardon.
I thought I was going to be able to go out and and hit the
circuit and start traveling and speaking and fighting for these
men and their families. And their families are begging
me everyday, come on, are you going to help us?
And I have that stress too. So please write, please get the
help we need. Please do whatever you can to
reach the president, to reach, you know, the Secretary of
Defense, any of these individuals, the, the new head
of the VA, we need our lives back because I personally want
to help these guys get home. And that's my, that's my new
goal. Yeah, what's the what's the new
social media? Now that you're back on, tell
what it is so we can start building that following again.
Let people have a chance to hear you.
Yeah, so on X it's at real Joe Biggs and that's just kind of
like my main thing. The other stuff I just keep for
just, you know, like friends and family.
But as far as like, you know what I do out here, activism,
you know, journalism, things like that.
That's why I stick to to X. So you can find me there, follow
me there and then go to freejoebiggs.com.
You can get kind of a more in depth story on my personal story
and then also you can share it and help me and my family in any
way that you see fit. And we thank you for that.
We appreciate the opportunity to come in here and speak and to
tell my side of what's going on and to speak about everything
that I've been through and thank you for this opportunity.
Yeah, it's my pleasure. The link will be in the show
description below, folks. So it's in the notes and you
guys will find it right down there.
And we'll tag the the social media handle as well.
Biggs, Biggs, real Joe Biggs. All right, bud, thanks for
joining me today. I appreciate the.
I appreciate the time. Yeah, of course.
Thank you. Let's.
We're going to connect again when this thing is better
because I think it is going to get better.
All right, man, I thank you. You bet.
And that is our Sunday. Sit down with Joe Biggs, say a
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that are well within the grasp of our political elite.
So I hope that people like Donald Trump hear that plea and
from your from your hearts to God, from God down to inspire
the man leading this country would cost him very little.
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