1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,040 And they were all live texting the FBI going crowd boys didn't 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,760 start it, Crowd boys didn't knock it on the fence, Crowd 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,760 boys didn't do it. And then those guys aren't 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,800 allowed to come to trial. Then the end of the trial comes 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,000 up and they go, OK, look, there was no plan, all right? 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,360 They didn't see a plan. But at one point in time, you 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,440 see Joe Big Nordeen fist bump each other. 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,320 And at that point in time, through telekinesis, they shot 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,880 these mind waves through the crowd. 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,040 And everyone knew that there was a conspiracy. 11 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,200 They joined it with that hand that fist bumped. 12 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,800 And we all entered into an agreement to stop the 13 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,000 certification of the election and overthrow the government. 14 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,240 You can't even make this up. All interviewers have their own 15 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,040 style, and my style is to try to get to the point and to be 16 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,440 intensely curious. And the key to interviewing is 17 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,040 listening. Take a look. 18 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,800 Behind the curtain with a real whistleblower and American 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,720 patriot. Prepare to embrace the 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,200 uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,640 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 22 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,560 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender and recovering FBI 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,960 agent Kyle Seraf. Well, hello, my friends. 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,880 Welcome to the Sunday Sit down. Really appreciate you joining me 25 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,600 today. I'm going to be talking to a man 26 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,520 named Joe Biggs. If you need some context, you 27 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,880 can always go back and check out the show that we restreamed 28 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:21,240 yesterday, and that was a phone call that we had from his first 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,120 couple days in the DC gulag, or at least right after his 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,200 sentencing happened. And I think it's good for 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,720 historical context. Joe Biggs was a proud boy. 32 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,600 He's an American veteran, he's a father, and he was recently 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,080 commuted from his sentence by Donald Trump. 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,760 It's a hard story to hear listening to somebody who is in 35 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,520 a bad spot right now because he's caught between a rock and a 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,920 hard place. 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And if you want to call them and 66 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,400 ask them some questions, you can do so at 972 Patriot. 67 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Give them our promo code KSS to make the switch today. 68 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,520 Thanks for considering them. And thanks for standing up for 69 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,720 freedom. Thanks for supporting the Kyle 70 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,160 Seraphin show. Let's get into today's guest 71 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:32,320 conversation with Joe Bates. So my guest today is Joe Biggs, 72 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,600 and the last time I talked to him, it was on a phone either in 73 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,600 a jail or a prison cell. Where were you last time we 74 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,640 spoke? Yeah, I was at the what they 75 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,360 like to call the DC Gulag. So that's where I was at. 76 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,600 I got the spend a few months there after the BS sentencing. 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,320 Horrible, Absolutely horrible. We had 15 minutes. 78 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,240 We got cut off by the the nice lady recording that tells you 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,040 that the your time is up. Obviously your circumstances 80 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,800 have changed. Let's let's refresh people with 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,720 your story 'cause I think a lot of people probably don't know 82 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 and it's it's important that it doesn't go away. 83 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,400 Yeah. So, you know, I joined the Army 84 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,800 after 911. I served in Iraq and 85 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Afghanistan. I was in the 82nd Airborne. 86 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,840 I was in the First Armored Division. 87 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,959 I got out, got into journalism, missed the camaraderie of 88 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,360 having, you know, being around a bunch of guys, shooting the shit 89 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,480 talking, having fun. So I found out about this group, 90 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,240 the Proud Boys, right when they first kind of started up, I met 91 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,320 with them a few times in Austin, TX. 92 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,480 And I didn't like them because I thought they were very feminine. 93 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,680 And that's just that group there in Austin. 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,400 So I kind of, so I said, screw those guys, man. 95 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,440 I don't want to be a part of that. 96 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,480 But then I moved back to Florida and I was like, man, these dudes 97 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,560 are like really good man. Like these dudes are squared 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 away, you know, they're, they're all cops and stuff like that, 99 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,120 you know, former military guy. So I mean, we had like a, a 100 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,200 connection, a link there. So I really delved into the 101 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,920 whole, the whole thing then. And I worked at Infowars for a 102 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:01,760 while. I covered terrorism riots. 103 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,480 I was there for the Michael Brown hands up, don't shoot 104 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,160 thing. I was there for months covering 105 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,120 that. I was at the Botticon theater 106 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,600 attacks in Paris when ISIS went, I went on raids with the police 107 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,040 in Saint Benny when they chased the ISIS fighters all the way 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,880 into molobic Belgium. So, you know, I've been all over 109 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,160 covering things. So I've I've been through hell 110 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,120 and I got to go through it again. 111 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,360 So, you know, when January 6th happened, the last thing I ever 112 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,120 expected was that I would be framed for seditious conspiracy. 113 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,040 You know, we're a bunch of, you know, fun loving guys who like 114 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,200 to drink beer and, you know, maybe talk some, you know, trash 115 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,640 on, on the Internet, But that's really about as far as it go. 116 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,560 There is no seditiousness within our group. 117 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,800 But, you know, it just shows you how far this country's fallen 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,880 and, and how bad things are and how corrupt it got. 119 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,720 And, you know, now my goal is to try to educate people on what 120 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,760 it's like on the inside when you're getting screwed over like 121 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,240 that. And it's interesting to be able 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,200 to talk to someone, you know, like you, that's been on a 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,000 different side of that spectrum. So that's why I really wanted 124 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,240 to. I look forward to doing this. 125 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,840 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, too. 126 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,200 So I just finished talking to Stuart Rhodes. 127 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,400 We just did this yesterday, and I spent five hours talking to 128 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,960 him, which is an awful long time to talk to anybody that you 129 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,360 never met. But the injustice of it stands 130 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,120 out pretty aggressively. Let's talk about what? 131 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,640 What elements of seditious conspiracy? 132 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,920 How did they, how did they determine that, that they'd laid 133 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,680 out a case that a jury could, could vote on? 134 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,840 I mean, we knew it was in DC, so I mean. 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,120 The, the, the, the, the lawyers, the prosecutors even told our 136 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,720 lawyers throughout the entire trial there's no way that they 137 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,720 could win the case unless it was in DC. 138 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,480 They knew they had no case whatsoever. 139 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,440 They just knew that all they had to do was get us in front of ADC 140 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,800 jury and then make that jury hate us. 141 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,240 And that's exactly what they did. 142 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,040 I don't remember. I don't recall how many times I 143 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,240 looked over at Dominic Pozzola or Ethan Ordean and and went, 144 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,800 are we going to talk about January 6th during this trial? 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Because all they did was play videos of other people in street 146 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,240 fights with people who pulled a weapon or antagonize the group. 147 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,600 And then that person defended themselves against a group like 148 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Auntie for Bill and then attack them. 149 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,840 And then they go look at this, these guys are racist white 150 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,040 people. And you know, you've got 90% of 151 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,920 the jury that's black and they're just sitting there just 152 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,320 fermenting. 8. And you know, we very rarely 153 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,360 ever talked about January 6th. And when we did, there was 154 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,520 nothing really to talk about because we didn't do anything. 155 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,120 I walked into an open door with two girls. 156 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,080 One of them asked me, what do you think about this? 157 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,200 And I go, man, this is kind of awesome. 158 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,200 I mean, didn't expect this to happen. 159 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,480 I walk up to a cop with his arms folded. 160 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,760 That's how scared he is of me. And I said he goes, what do you, 161 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,880 what can I help you with today, Sir? 162 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,360 And I go, well, I kind of go, you need to use the restroom. 163 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,440 I need to go pee real quick. And he showed me where the 164 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,760 restroom was. And I go with some friends. 165 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,440 We use the restroom. We don't destroy the restroom. 166 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,760 We don't putting the graffiti on the wall. 167 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,320 We don't steal anything. I pee and I leave. 168 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,640 Then I realize once I get outside of the Capitol building 169 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,400 that I can't find one of my friends. 170 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,320 So I go back in and open door. The cops watch me walk by. 171 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 There's no push and shove, there's no anything like that, 172 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,760 no animosity. I walk right past him. 173 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,680 I go and look in a few doors, don't see him to leave, and 174 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,040 eventually run into that guy later on in the evening and link 175 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,520 up with him. That's it. 176 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,960 That's all that happened that day. 177 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,000 And that somehow turned into seditious conspiracy that that 178 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,920 that, that we somehow had planned to overthrow the 179 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,159 government. The government had access to all 180 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,559 communications. They used the FISA courts to spy 181 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,679 on us. They had access to everything. 182 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,720 And we had transcripts of everything we've said on 183 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Telegram, Facebook, Twitter, Parlor, whatever it may be. 184 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,640 And not once in six months leading up to that attack did 185 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,680 any of us ever mention the words insurrection, overthrowing the 186 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:53,920 government, capital, anything like that. 187 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Never. It was never mentioned at all. 188 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,000 But still, they said they won during the trial. 189 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,520 They said by the end of the trial, you'll see a clear 190 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,400 leadership here to overthrow the government and install Donald 191 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Trump. Then the end of the trial comes 192 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,120 up and they go, OK, look, there was no plan, all right? 193 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,480 We didn't see a plan. But at one point in time, you 194 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,560 see Joe Big Nordine fist bump each other. 195 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,720 And at that point in time, through telekinesis, they shot 196 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,920 these mind waves through the crowd and everyone knew that 197 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,160 there was a conspiracy. They joined it with that hand 198 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,280 that at this bump and we all entered into an agreement to 199 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,440 stop the certification of the election and overthrow the 200 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,400 government. You can't even make this up. 201 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,280 No, you can't. I listened to Stewart lay out 202 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,360 his case and essentially they had a similar argument that when 203 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,400 the men stacked up, that's what they called it stacking up, but 204 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,600 it was guys walking a straight line upstairs. 205 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,320 That that was the subliminal subconscious agreement to enter 206 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,640 into conspiracy. That's the way that he 207 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,920 articulated. I sort of remember hearing that 208 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,400 from somebody else as well and and going like what planet are 209 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,920 we on and how would you, how does a jury go with that and go, 210 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,200 OK, that that's obviously beyond a reasonable doubt. 211 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,240 It was because the judge was corrupt. 212 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,480 I mean, the judge, his wife at the time during the trial was an 213 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,760 assistant to Mayor Muriel Bowser, the ASAUSA prosecutors 214 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,400 that were over us, you know, prosecuting us was his old team 215 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,120 that he was in charge of. So it was one big hot tub, one 216 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,760 big, you know, you know, just menage a trois of just the same 217 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,400 people who have all been a part of the same thing, working 218 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,360 together in tandem to screw us over. 219 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,160 They all had the narrative planned out. 220 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,120 They knew exactly what they do, what had to do, what to say, the 221 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,200 lies to to to use, and they stuck by it. 222 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,640 And that's all they did was inflamed and piss off the jury. 223 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,840 They tried to show videos of someone hitting some person, but 224 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,000 it was never one of us. It was never one of the five of 225 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,840 us leaders, you know, that that were involved in any type of 226 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 violence or anything like that. But they would show these random 227 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,400 street fights and go see, these guys are evil. 228 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,440 They're mean. We've got to throw them in jail. 229 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,480 But then the judge would go. But wait, this isn't about the 230 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,560 Proud Boys. This is about these five 231 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:13,960 gentlemen. So why aren't you showing 232 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,800 anything about the five gentlemen sitting in front of 233 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,800 you and instead only showing videos of random people in 234 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,240 street fights across the country? 235 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,880 What does it have to do with us? But the jury sat there hook, 236 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,160 line and sinker and bought it. The the foreman, the head juror, 237 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,240 he was a trans right activist in DC. 238 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:40,120 How was that not, you know, you can't make this stuff up at all. 239 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,960 I mean, these guys are bigger conspiracy theorists than a lot 240 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,800 of the bigger ones out there. You know, it's, it's, it's 241 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,160 crazy. It's so hard to it's so hard to 242 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,040 fathom. I think the craziest thing is it 243 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,280 seems like time might have stayed still for you guys for a 244 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,520 little while because you've obviously you go into to to 245 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,160 prison and things are going to be kind of locked. 246 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,880 You don't have an experience of the outside world other than 247 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,880 what you're getting through a radio or, you know, whether it 248 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,200 be a wind up or you're, you know, get some Internet activity 249 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,400 a little bit here and there, but you're not experiencing it the 250 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,360 way everything else. And and the world kind of kept 251 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,960 moving. Let's I want to walk back in 252 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,960 time and kind of get mindset if it's feasible. 253 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,520 I don't know if we can we can capture that. 254 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,280 But let's go to 2020. Let's talk about the beginning 255 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,520 of 2020 as people started talking about COVID and some of 256 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,560 the like the shenanigans that went on in this country that 257 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:33,680 made the Proud Boys so villainized. 258 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,120 And and maybe you can give some insight from the Proud Boys end 259 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,480 of it, because all I remember hearing about was Gavin McGinnis 260 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,040 had to step away from his own group. 261 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,600 And, you know, just there was just like this full court media 262 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,920 press looking for something that it didn't seem like actually 263 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,000 existed. Yeah, they, you know, they, 264 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,360 they, they liked us to be the boogeyman. 265 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,200 That that's what they wanted. They needed someone to be the 266 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,280 bad guy. So they picked us and and they 267 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,360 wanted, they wanted us to be the face of white supremacy. 268 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,160 But that in itself is a farce because you know, the person who 269 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,680 took over after Gavin McGinnis is one of my best friends, 270 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Enrique Tario and he's Afro Cuban. 271 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,200 We have multiple guys in the club who are black, gay, Jewish. 272 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,560 Guess what? If you want to be in the Proud 273 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:23,680 Boys, you have to a be born a man 2 love America and three get 274 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,360 along with everybody and have a good time. 275 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,400 That's it. You know, we, we, we either are, 276 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,520 we like to consider ourselves Alcoholics with a patriot 277 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,720 problem or patriots with a alcohol problem, you know, back 278 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,600 and forth. But we all just like to sit 279 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,600 around and drink and talk BS and have a good time. 280 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,360 When the Covic thing happened, when they started forcing people 281 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,240 in the military to take these shots, you know, a lot of the 282 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,120 guys would put up videos. We would talk about that. 283 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,640 We we didn't like that we like we believe in dangerous freedom, 284 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,880 the the ability to make our own decisions as to what we put in 285 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,200 our body. For me, I believe God made me 286 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,200 the perfect just how I am. You know that my skin is able to 287 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,840 stop these things from entering in it. 288 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,960 That's why we have it. I don't need to have all this 289 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,800 stuff. And that's just my what I 290 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,600 believe. You know, if you want to take 291 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,640 all these injections, that's fine. 292 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,360 But, you know, we don't feel that way. 293 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,520 And that should be OK. But they like to villainize us 294 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,440 over things like that. We didn't believe in transgender 295 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,120 story time. We don't believe in these, you 296 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,280 know, dudes with the sex offender charges, dressing up 297 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,480 like women coming into our public schools and libraries, 298 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,000 talking to little children that already have charges on them 299 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,600 against, you know, sexual acts on children. 300 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,160 So we had a big issue with that. That's another thing that the 301 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,040 left didn't like because they're all about destroying children 302 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,480 and innocence and things like that. 303 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,600 What about the I don't know if it was a beef or if it was an 304 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,320 imagined beef, but there's apparently you're kind of the 305 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,240 rivalry or the, you know, one side of the coin. 306 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,200 The other side of the coin, it's Proud Boys and it's Antifa and 307 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,520 and there has to be, you know, fist thrown, there have to be 308 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,400 words exchanged. There has to be this sort of 309 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,000 like, you know, nemesis operation happening in places. 310 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,200 What was that? Was that constructed? 311 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,880 Was that real? Did that grow into something 312 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,480 real, ever? It's grown into something very 313 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,720 real. I mean, to a point where they 314 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,520 have shot people and run them over like we will have our 315 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,120 events. And then they would show up and 316 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 become extremely psychotic and violent. 317 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,320 They would attack Proud Boys. They would attack Trump 318 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,640 supporters. And we saw that and said, no, 319 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,800 we're not going to sit there and take that. 320 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,280 We would watch on the news all the time, Trump supporters 321 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,440 sitting outside of his rallies being jumped by Antifa. 322 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,000 And we decided to go to these events as a whole around the 323 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,560 country and kind of play as a security because no one else was 324 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,000 helping them. So we decided, hey, we're a 325 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,240 bunch of alpha men, why not go out there? 326 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,120 Why not say, you know what, enough is enough. 327 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Let's try to put it into this. So that turned into a whole 328 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,480 thing. And these people just started 329 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 showing up at all these events and they would show up trying to 330 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,160 kill people, run them over with cars, anything they could. 331 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,120 And then somehow the the CNN and all these different agencies 332 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,200 would say that we were the ones antagonizing that just my coming 333 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,480 to Portland and having an event was enough for them to be 334 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,600 triggered and to kill us. There was no like, well, it's OK 335 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,240 for them to have their right to free speech. 336 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,600 Maybe let's just not go to their event and leave them alone. 337 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,040 No, no, no. So my coming to Portland, the 338 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,240 mayor called me out and said you're not welcome here, Joe 339 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:41,560 Biggs and supported Antifa in trying to kill us and that has 340 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,240 escalated. It was just what I'm just trying 341 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,080 to remember what what, what laws in America, in any city, allow 342 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,640 the mayor to to exclude people from visiting. 343 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,800 Yeah, it was him and Mayor Marty Walsh from Boston that didn't 344 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,600 like me either. He put out a thing for me, 345 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,839 saying I wasn't welcome. I actually gave a speech at the 346 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:09,800 Boston Commons with Shiva Ardari and a man who quoted Martin 347 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Luther King. And we were screamed at and 348 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,240 60,000 people showed up to protest us while there was a 349 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,440 group of maybe 30 of us. We had to be escorted out in 350 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,839 Paddy wagons through a sea of people while helicopters from 351 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,520 news agencies flew overhead. And all you saw were thousands 352 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,440 upon thousands of people losing in their mind over us talking 353 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,360 about freedom of speech in America. 354 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,360 How do we get like that in this country? 355 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,240 We took God ever out of everything. 356 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,920 That's my opinion. Evil has completely taken over 357 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:51,160 and it is run rampant. We don't hold things that are 358 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,440 good close to our hearts anymore. 359 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,760 We don't value the innocence of children. 360 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,800 We don't value the sanctity of our families and our marriages. 361 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,520 We sit here on dating apps and we go around and do drugs and 362 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,400 drink until we're just absolute psychotic individuals. 363 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,400 We're too concerned with ourselves and what's easily 364 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,200 available to please us, instead of fighting for what we should 365 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,240 be fighting for, which is our family, the future of our 366 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,600 children, and the better of our nation. 367 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Proud Boys have one of these 368 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,200 sort of cardinal pillars that Western chauvinism, Western 369 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,400 chauvinist was the thing I remember Gavin McGinnis talking 370 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,880 about. Can you explain what? 371 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,600 Because it sounds like that's what you just explained to me. 372 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,880 But there's more to it, or maybe there's less to it. 373 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,560 I don't know. I mean, I mean, that's it. 374 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,880 I mean, that's, that's, that's loving your country. 375 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,240 That's, that's, that's being proud that the West is the best, 376 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,960 that we are the forefront of doing the right thing. 377 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,360 You know, we are a beacon that that's there's there's no one 378 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,160 leaving America, jumping on a raft and going to Cuba and so on 379 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,720 and going help us. It's the other way around. 380 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,800 People come here for a better life. 381 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,840 People come here for an opportunity to pull themselves 382 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,960 up by their straps and do something. 383 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,000 And it can, anybody can come to this country, black, white, 384 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,720 whatever, and make something of themselves and become successful 385 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,840 business owners, entrepreneurs, fathers, mothers, whatever they 386 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,880 want to be. That's why this place is so 387 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,680 awesome. And that's why it's imperative 388 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,480 that people stand up and fight for it because this is the 389 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,840 greatest country in the world. There's too many people here 390 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,240 that say, oh, America sucks, America isn't great. 391 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,400 Have you ever left where you're from, like in Portland, OR? 392 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,600 Probably not. But I've been all over the 393 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,960 world. I've been to more countries than 394 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,720 I can even think of. My passports are stamped and 395 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,880 booked. I've got numerous of them. 396 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,520 I've been all over the place. And I can guarantee you everyone 397 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,000 out there wants to be here because it is the best, because 398 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,400 we have the best people who are willing to fight and die for it. 399 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,800 And that's why it is such a precious place, and that's why 400 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,320 it deserves men and women to stand up and fight for it. 401 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,400 Been a bunch of places. I agree with you. 402 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,360 It does feel like mostly people want to come to the United 403 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:11,400 States if they have an opportunity. 404 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,800 There's not a lot of second runners up. 405 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,280 If of the places that you've visited, what are some other 406 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,080 places that would be runners up to the United States that you 407 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,760 would be like, yeah, this is a tolerable place to live? 408 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,480 Where would you, where would you, you know, put down some 409 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,760 roots if you had to? Maybe top two other 410 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,000 alternatives? I mean, the only, the only way I 411 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,640 would live in some of these other places is just for the 412 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,800 fact that I've been through the ringer so bad that I just don't 413 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,960 like being around people anymore. 414 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,240 And I like to be out and kind of the wilderness and I love to 415 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,720 surf. I would move to Costa Rica 416 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,920 pretty quick. I like Costa Rica. 417 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,240 I like Panama, but you know, I used to like Australia. 418 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,680 I went to Australia when I was young. 419 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,640 The man they have, they're, they're really falling behind. 420 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 And you know, we have a chapter out there. 421 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,640 You know, I'm banned from New Zealand, I'm banned from Sweden, 422 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,000 I'm banned from Canada. I'm banned from all kinds of 423 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,120 different countries just for being someone who doesn't want 424 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,760 children to be, you know, sexually molested by dudes 425 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,640 dressed up like women at school story hours, You know, just that 426 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,280 that that belief alone right there was enough to get me 427 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,640 banned from multiple countries. When did When did these bans 428 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,680 come in effect? Was that before the conviction? 429 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,360 Yeah, yeah, this was like 2018. In 2018, I got banned from all 430 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,600 social media platforms, all the banks I was in and multiple 431 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,400 countries. And get this, I had just landed 432 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:42,800 in DC to speak at a a freedom of speech event on the 4th of July 433 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,880 at Freedom Plaza. And on the way there in the cab 434 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,920 with my whole crew of people, I got banned. 435 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,360 I'm I'm trying to go live to talk about the event because I 436 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,640 was going to be emceeing it. It was me, Gavin McGinnis, Roger 437 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Stone, all kinds of different people. 438 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,760 And we're in the cab going up there and like, all right, guys, 439 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,800 I'm on Instagram, we're going live, blah, blah, blah, blah, 440 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,880 boom, zip. All right, I'm going to switch 441 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,040 over to Facebook real quick. Zip. 442 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,040 All right, I'm going to go to Periscope on Twitter. 443 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,280 Gone. Then the next thing you know, my 444 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,760 my phone starts beeping. You've been banned from Airbnb. 445 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,600 Boom. Chase. 446 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,200 Chase Bank has just banned you. Boom. 447 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,280 Bank of America just banned you. Boom. 448 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 All of it in one day. Within 30 minutes. 449 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,200 And that was in 2018. Yes, I just got social media 450 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,520 back for the first time since then. 451 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,800 What a wild arc. And. 452 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,400 Who? Who else was getting cancelled 453 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,920 when you were OK? So who else was getting 454 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,280 cancelled in 2018? Laura Loomer, Alex. 455 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,200 Jones. OK. 456 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,120 Alex Jones wanted to give me the award that he got from being the 457 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,720 most cancelled person because I think I surpassed him. 458 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,800 I mean, I got cancelled so bad. They, you know, falsely charged 459 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,200 me and convicted me of seditious conspiracy. 460 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,360 That's how much they didn't like me or Enrique Tario. 461 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,720 It, it, it blows my mind that just standing up for good, 462 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,720 wholesome American values is enough to make you a domestic 463 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360 terrorist. And with that, I'm not going to 464 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,720 lie, I kind of take that as a badge of honor. 465 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,280 So when I was in prison, I got the word terrorist tattooed 466 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,800 across my chest because, you know, what if being a terrorist 467 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,400 means I don't want kids to be raped, that I don't want our 468 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,600 borders wide open, that I want, you know, I believe in, you 469 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,160 know, borders, language, culture. 470 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,680 Same thing to Michael Savage always says that I believe in 471 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,440 God, that I believe in freedom of speech, that I believe that 472 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960 men should be men, that women should be women, that we 473 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,680 shouldn't have trannies running around in our military services. 474 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,880 If that makes me a terrorist, well then call me vanilla ISIS. 475 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,400 You look Wilder than the last time that I spoke to you. 476 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,600 You had a you had a beard, at least the pictures that we had 477 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,040 that were the most current. Before you, you went in, you had 478 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,680 longer hair. Now you've got, what is this 479 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,200 like kind of a Mohawk going on? What is it? 480 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,840 The Mohawk was way longer because it's kind of like, like 481 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,000 you got to have like your own thing. 482 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,040 That was my nickname and Joe was Mohawk, Trump or Proud Boy. 483 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,080 That's what they all called me. They love me in there. 484 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,240 Like people were hoping the, you know, the antifa, the BLM, the 485 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Democrat, they were all hoping that a guy like me was going to 486 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,480 go into prison. I was going to break down. 487 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,800 I was going to snitch and get myself killed in prison. 488 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Instead, I went in there and everywhere I went, everyone 489 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,960 treated me like a God. They love me. 490 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,800 They respected the fact that I'm someone who know knows what they 491 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,120 believe in, that stands up for what they believe in. 492 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:37,320 And I had guys who are Bloods, Crips, what do you call them? 493 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,800 Gangster Disciples, Satan Disciples, Aryan Brotherhood, 494 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,400 Aryan Brotherhood, Texas, all these dudes that they're just 495 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,000 crazy hardcore, you know, gang guys coming up to me, shaking my 496 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,960 hand, wanting pictures, wanting autographs, going, man, you, you 497 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,000 stand for something. And that's something that we 498 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,440 respect. And we want to know if we can 499 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,360 join your group. And I would have black guys come 500 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,280 to me all the time. Like, can a black guy let me 501 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,400 join the problem as I go? Yeah. 502 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840 It's not have nothing to do with white people, You know, So what 503 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,960 they did is they really screwed up. 504 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,120 They, they gave, that's an opportunity. 505 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,600 And I hate this. People always ask me, do you 506 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,760 regret what happened? I don't regret what happened 507 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720 because it's given me an opportunity to learn a lot. 508 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,280 I regret the time I miss with my daughter, you know, and that's 509 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000 about it. But I don't regret the fact that 510 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,240 I got to meet all these people who now know that I'm not the 511 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,920 person the media said I was and that the Proud Boys are not the 512 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,000 organization that the media has portrayed us to be. 513 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,160 And now thousands upon thousands of individuals who have families 514 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,120 and talk to those families on the phone all know we're good 515 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,280 stand up guys. And I sit here and I still stay 516 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,760 in contact with these individuals. 517 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960 And I'm going to make it my life's work to help a lot of 518 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 these guys that are in there that I know who shouldn't be in 519 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,720 there. Innocent people who are being 520 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,760 held right now for crimes they didn't commit. 521 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080 And that's just not me listening to a story that they told me. 522 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,640 That's me looking at the actual black and white, the actual 523 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,320 paperwork put out by federal judges and things like that, the 524 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,680 transcripts from their trials, knowing that they're in there 525 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,280 right now for crimes they didn't commit. 526 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,880 So I want to help those guys out. 527 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,240 It seems like they, they gave people on the political right, 528 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,160 they being, I don't know, the left, the motivated media that 529 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,600 was pushing a lot of this stuff forward, an opportunity to to 530 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,640 have a new empathy for people in the prison system. 531 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,240 And, and I don't know that that could have happened without 532 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,040 January 6th. You think that's accurate? 533 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,760 Yeah, of course. You know, just like my mom, you 534 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,720 know, myself when someone was in jail before, I used to think 535 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,400 that anybody was in jail was probably there because they 536 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,960 deserve to be. You don't really understand just 537 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,760 how corrupt the system is until you get thrown through it the 538 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,480 way we did when you're sitting in trial and the FBI is coming 539 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,080 up there going, all right, we've got the evidence. 540 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,400 It's going to get Joe Biggs right here. 541 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Here's a challenge coin by the Proud Boys. 542 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,800 Here's a Proud Boy T-shirt we found in his house. 543 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,960 Here's a Proud Boy flag. And here's one time that he said 544 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,600 he didn't like Rachel Maddow. And it's like, don't, don't, 545 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,720 don't evil. You know, it's like, wow, 546 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,840 really. Like, that's what we're here 547 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,200 doing. And the, the the reporters would 548 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,000 be like, man, he's got to go laughing all the time. 549 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,320 I'm like, yeah, because if I'm going to get screwed, I might as 550 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240 well have a good time because I already knew that we were going 551 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,160 to lose. Because their entire goal was to 552 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,280 piss off the jury. That was mostly black. 553 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,680 That was a, you know, these guys were just going to hate us. 554 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,960 Whatever. But I sat there every day and I 555 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,640 would look at him and go, you guys should be embarrassed. 556 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720 You should be disgusted with yourselves. 557 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,840 I don't know how to sleep at night. 558 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,280 But we would sit there. You know, me and Enrique. 559 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,320 Enrique would take naps. So when you're at the DC 560 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600 courthouse in the middle of the trial, they'd have like these 561 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,200 little 50 minutes breaks. They'd make you go down and walk 562 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,360 through this whole area underground and you're all 563 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,880 shackled in your arms, your ankles and all that stuff. 564 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,000 And then they'd put you in a cell underground. 565 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,760 We'll leave you there for a while. 566 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,520 So Enrique would always take naps and I would take toilet 567 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,520 paper and toilet paper and cover them in that. 568 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,600 And the other inmates were sitting there like, man, you 569 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,240 guys are getting screwed more than anybody. 570 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,200 You guys are having a good time. It's like, you know what? 571 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560 We're not going to let them break who who we are. 572 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,560 We're going to sit here with our heads held high and we're going 573 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,160 to survive this. And when we do survive this, 574 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,320 we're going to come out on the other end and we're going to 575 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,360 show everybody in the world just how messed up it is, just how 576 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,440 corrupt these individuals are and just how deep it goes. 577 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,880 And I'm glad I've been given the opportunity to come home earlier 578 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,640 than 17 years to actually talk about this. 579 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,080 Yeah, I'm also glad all of it has been really disgusting. 580 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,240 I think it's been illuminating. I think a lot of Americans have 581 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,040 lost faith in a ton of different institutions, to include the 582 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,160 Justice Department and the judiciary and a bunch of other 583 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,400 stuff. So some of this stuff is not 584 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,480 going to hit, they're not going to be able to do to just get 585 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,360 respect for what it is. I think a lot of folks, because 586 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,760 of what happened to you guys, and I may be speculating, maybe 587 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,400 it's just my own feelings, but I think people did have that 588 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,000 default feeling like, oh, someone's in prison, somebody 589 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200 got charged with a crime. They probably did the crime. 590 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,840 And yet we watched people who were not accused of violence 591 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,240 being sent away for 18 years. Look, I work for the FBI. 592 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,480 I know what 18 years is. You can engage in creating child 593 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,720 pornography and selling it. It's actually abusing children, 594 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,880 selling it off for a profit and not catch 18 years. 595 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Al Capone got 11 years, I got 17. 596 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,040 His restitution was 11,000 -, 3 million. 597 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,240 And is that gone now or what? What? 598 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,160 So what you were actually what? What? 599 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,520 What did they actually convict you of? 600 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,720 What were the the charges? Because I know it wasn't just 601 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,080 seditious conspiracy. So, so originally. 602 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,000 So originally when when they blasted my face all over the 603 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Internet and said that I was one of the FB is most wanted, I 604 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,720 called the Daytona Beach field office and I said, all right, 605 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,760 you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to negotiate a 606 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,240 peaceful transfer. That way I don't have someone 607 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760 coming in and kicking in my door when my daughter's here. 608 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400 I didn't want that. So I called up there. 609 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,920 They didn't seem to have any clue. 610 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440 I wasn't on the radar at all. They're like, oh really, You 611 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,400 were there? I didn't know that. 612 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,520 And they're like, well, we'll give you some, you know, I'll 613 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,920 call you back. A couple days later, this guy 614 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,880 calls me back. I'm not going to say his name. 615 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,360 He goes, well, yeah, we got to bring you in. 616 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,640 So what do you want to do? And I go, well, I don't want you 617 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,480 coming to my house, so can I meet you somewhere down the 618 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,800 road? So they pick me up. 619 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,080 They go, yeah, it's going to be really chill. 620 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,120 It's just going to be me and my partner coming to get you. 621 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,440 And Camaro comes in all blacked out and a Charger comes in an 622 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,720 SUV and an SUV and they all come out with guns. 623 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600 And I'm inside or I'm sitting out in this parking lot in front 624 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,520 of this gymnastics center and I'm like, wow, I thought this 625 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,520 was going to be pretty chill. And they're all like, hey, we 626 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,440 need the safe. The the code to your safe. 627 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,760 We've got agents already going through your place right now. 628 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280 They ripped like kicked in the door, all this stuff. 629 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,360 If they just told me like we're going to have people go in 630 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,400 there, I just left the door open. 631 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,120 But they destroyed that, went in there, just started taking 632 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,200 everything. They took, you know, evidence 633 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,840 that they could use against me, which was a brand new Xbox that 634 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,360 I had just bought for Christmas still in the box. 635 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,920 Some, I'm assuming some FBI agent over there, his kids got a 636 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,840 brand new Xbox that they're using. 637 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,960 That was their Christmas gift. They took just the most random 638 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,240 stuff, like I said, Proud Boy T-shirts, crowd boy flags that I 639 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,160 had, like military gear that I had in my garage. 640 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,320 I mean, I had the a permit to carry. 641 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,520 I had every right imagine, you know, afforded to me as a 642 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,640 retired Army veteran with a clean record. 643 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,120 But they just took all this random stuff and it was just, it 644 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,080 was mind blowing. You never think that something 645 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040 like that can happen. And it's really amazing that, 646 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,120 you know, when I turned myself in, they took me down there. 647 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,160 They arraigned me at the federal courthouse in Orlando. 648 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,880 I get this lawyer and he goes, all right, the USA lawyer, this 649 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840 female, she's only going to charge you with trespassing, 650 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,960 picketing, parading in an in a place for a certain amount of 651 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,320 time and there's no felonies. I was like, all right, let's do 652 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,080 this. Hell yeah. 653 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,280 I said, I'm glad I did this and turn myself in. 654 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,520 I get there and then the lady goes, well, actually we're, 655 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,680 we've got a 20 year count, a felony for obstruction of an 656 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,080 official proceeding. And then that's when it was like 657 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,280 dunk, dunk, dunk. And everything changed. 658 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,040 Everything changed. And the judge that day goes, all 659 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,160 right, I'm going to order you to house arrest. 660 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,960 They're going to put on an ankle monitor and the federal judge 661 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,000 and DC is going to hit you up and he's going to be taking the 662 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,720 case over from there. So about a week later, Judge 663 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,040 Kelly hits us up. We have a case before him. 664 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,560 The prosecutors, Jason McCullough from AUSA in DC, they 665 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,800 go, look, we've got this video, Mr. Biggs, his hand touches the 666 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,320 fence, the same fence that 1000 other people are touching. 667 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Then his hand comes off and then like 10 seconds later, the fence 668 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,520 goes down and the judge goes, this is stupid. 669 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,560 He didn't knock the fence over. And he goes, all right, he gets 670 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,080 to stay on house, house arrest. So this trial does, I mean, this 671 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,080 little online hearing is, is over because that, like you 672 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600 said, the COVID things going on. So we're doing all this stuff 673 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,160 from our houses just like we're doing now. 674 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,480 Well, all of a sudden a week later, the judge comes back with 675 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,520 the same video and goes, man, you're a terrorist. 676 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640 He goes, what you did that day was terrorism. 677 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,320 And I go, wow, how did you go from telling the prosecutors 678 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,240 that this was a joke, that what you just saw was not credible 679 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,080 enough to show that I was a danger to society, that I've 680 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,920 done anything that was violent and that I should be put in jail 681 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,840 immediately? And somehow, in my opinion, 682 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,480 someone got to him. Someone said, hey, this is the 683 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,680 game plan and you got to change your mind. 684 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960 And because you don't just change your mind like that, you 685 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,840 don't go, this is stupid and why are you putting this before me 686 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,040 in the court to wow, you're a terrorist all the sudden with 687 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,720 the same video and go to jail. You know, So I had to stay in 688 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,920 jail from April 20th all the way until January 20th, 3 weeks ago. 689 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,360 And that was in 20. 20th of 2021 four years. 690 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,360 What do we think? Like honestly, what what the 691 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,239 hell could happen? What could someone do that would 692 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,920 tell that would have a judge reverse? 693 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,800 You saw it, so you know, did he did he speak the same? 694 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,400 Did he look the same? No, I mean, he came in there 695 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,239 with vengeance that time. The second time around, he went 696 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,880 from basically the first time chewing out the prosecution. 697 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,400 I was like, man, I was like this guy squared away. 698 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,639 I thought I was like, man, I was like, I think we actually got a 699 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,719 good chance. He sees exactly what we see, 700 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,520 that nothing happened. But then immediately, the very 701 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,639 next hearing we had, he goes from nothing happened to that 702 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,080 was the worst day in the world. The prosecutor said that the 703 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,360 words coming out of my mouth was akin to like fully automatic 556 704 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,320 rounds coming out of a squad automatic weapon into a crowd of 705 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,840 people. I mean, literally using that 706 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,720 kind of terminology, it's, it's frightening to think that just 707 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:03,680 like that, you're at home with your family and then you're not 708 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,320 and you don't know how long that's going to be. 709 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,360 And you're thrown into an entire different type of ecosystem with 710 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,880 an entire different type of people, people who don't look at 711 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,120 the truth the same way that we do, that loyalty and integrity 712 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,840 and things like that. These are people who have had to 713 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,320 cheat still, not just because they're they're would be bad 714 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,640 people just because they've grown up in that type of 715 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,600 environment for so long. That's just how they are. 716 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,880 So it's psychologically extremely draining to go into an 717 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,360 environment where you can't trust anybody. 718 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,720 You've constantly got to watch your back because the jealousy 719 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:46,960 in people is insane. And it's just a different type 720 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,760 of mindset. And it's hard to get used to 721 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,120 that because here you are one day with your family, the next 722 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,120 minute you're in a whole different world with guys. 723 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,840 You know, when I was in solitary confinement, I was one of the 724 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,200 only ones that was in there for that long. 725 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,720 I was in solitary confinement for the first two years of my 726 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,600 four year sentence that I mean, not sentenced, but the four 727 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,360 years that I was in basically pretrial. 728 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,320 I was back there with the Lockerbie bomber. 729 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,400 I was back there with an ISIS jihadi, a serial killer and two 730 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,800 Ms. 13, the hitman. And they would talk through the 731 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,760 doors and go, why are you here? And I would say I'm trespassing. 732 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,800 And that's still debatable. What do they say to that? 733 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,200 What do these guys even say to that? 734 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880 They laugh, they go, man, you're, you're lying to us. 735 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,000 And then eventually they would hear the radio and hear how I 736 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,120 was being held in that place. And they would go, oh, man, you 737 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,240 weren't lying. You're you're here for 738 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:44,600 trespassing. That sucks. 739 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,320 And then they would laugh or whatever like that. 740 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000 And I'd go, I mean, I, I don't blame you. 741 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,760 This is ridiculous. And what's crazy, when you got 742 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,080 MS13 Hitman, you know, feeling bad for you and serial killers 743 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,080 and you're going to trial with the Lockerbie bomber. 744 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,400 It's it's yeah. It's really weird, You know, I. 745 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,240 Mean that has to change you as a human being. 746 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,240 And have you thought about some of the things that you don't 747 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,480 think anymore because of that? Oh, of course. 748 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,240 I, I, I've been telling everybody that the person who I 749 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,160 was is dead. You, you, you've got to 750 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,080 completely change. Not just for survival. 751 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,800 You know, I don't want people to misinterpret what I was saying. 752 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,440 You know, like I said, people respected me everywhere I went. 753 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,080 But that still doesn't mean you're not in prison. 754 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,080 That still doesn't mean that there are individuals there who 755 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,400 are just psychotic lunatic nut bags who will just slice your 756 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,760 throat if you look at them wrong way. 757 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,080 People are getting poisoned with fentanyl left and right, rumor 758 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,040 mill. And these places are through the 759 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,880 roof. If you look like you're doing 760 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,520 just a little bit better than someone else, they will hate on 761 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,920 you and they will steal it from you. 762 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,200 They will try to put a knife in you. 763 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,840 You don't say, excuse me, just by walking by somebody. 764 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,520 Then they they go and they look at you like, what am I here? 765 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,960 Do I not exist to you? And the next thing you know, 766 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,120 someone goes, hey, man, come over here. 767 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,320 I want to show you this. And then four dudes jump on you 768 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,880 and put knives in you. It's it's a whole other 769 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,640 environment. And it does change you. 770 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,560 It changes you because you've got to survive. 771 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,600 If you don't change, you die. You know, and I keep telling 772 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,120 people they're like, well, you could have just talked to them 773 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,480 and it could have made your time better. 774 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,120 No, once you're labeled, you can't be labeled a snitch. 775 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,040 It has to be in the paperwork. It has to be in the black and 776 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,160 white. Once you have that on there and 777 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,280 that you have ever cooperated or anything like that, you're dead. 778 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,720 And if you don't get killed at the spot you're at, as soon as 779 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,200 you get transferred, you're dead. 780 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,760 And it's not an easy way. They're going to gut you with 781 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,080 the most dull piece of metal that they can find that they've 782 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,920 cut from a bump, or they're going to throw fentanyl in 783 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,720 something and tell you it's something else and feed you 784 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,440 something and kill you right there and then you sit there and 785 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,720 laugh at you while you throw up and foam out of the mouth. 786 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,920 What? Kind of things did you see while 787 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,440 you did you see, I mean this, this sounds like experience that 788 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,640 you're you're talking from what kind of stuff did you say that 789 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,760 was I've given you that indication. 790 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,120 I got stuck in a cell with a guy that I believe is probably one 791 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,840 of the most pure evil people I've ever met. 792 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000 This guy smoked meth. He was shooting up meth. 793 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,000 I had one cell, he tried to eat me because he was smoking what 794 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,880 is called deuce. I was sitting at my desk in my 795 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,720 cell drawing, and I love to draw and paint, and I had all these 796 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,200 art supplies. So I was sitting there and use 797 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,360 that to occupy my time if I wasn't reading Jack Carr books 798 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,040 or anything like that. And one day I'm just sitting 799 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,760 there and I feel pressured on the back of my neck and this 800 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,680 dude is tweaking out in the back of my neck because he is on this 801 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,280 drug that's called deuce. It is a drug that is rampant in 802 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,560 the BOP. It is a piece of paper that is 803 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120 sprayed with all these different chemicals like raid and all 804 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,360 this. And they take a little tiny 805 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,160 piece of paper about that big and they wind up toilet paper 806 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,480 and lighten the toilet paper till it's just burning red like 807 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440 a little ember. And they take that little piece 808 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,360 of deuce and they drop it on there and they use a straw. 809 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,160 Then they hop the smoke off of it. 810 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,080 And when they do that? Everyone reacts differently 811 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,320 because you don't know what chemicals are in there. 812 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,480 And this dude decided to try to take a bite out of me. 813 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,520 I had to fight for my life. I had to take the lock from my 814 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,160 locker and bash his head in, crack a skull open and I'm 815 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,520 soaked in blood. He's on the ground twitching. 816 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,520 The CEO comes in. He goes, what the Hell's 817 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,000 happened in Biggs? I go look at here. 818 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,560 He was like, this dude just tried to eat me. 819 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,480 I was like, he just took a bite out of the back of my neck and I 820 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,320 had to bash his head in. You know, you don't know what 821 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,720 that's like. You can't imagine that. 822 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,240 You can't imagine just to sit there and then some crazy person 823 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,280 bites you and you're not knowing that this guy's like legit, you 824 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,600 know, whatever's going on. So I bash his head in and the 825 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,960 dude just the cop looks at me and he goes, what do you want to 826 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,080 do? And I go, so I hope he's not 827 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,880 dead. I was like, but get the hell out 828 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,480 of here, man, and just forget you saw it. 829 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,640 And the dude just kind of walked off and left. 830 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,760 But the room was looked like a scene from Carrie. 831 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,120 I had blood everywhere often because when you hit someone's 832 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,600 head open like that, it's a bleeding, it bleeds a lot. 833 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,200 And there was there was blood everywhere. 834 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,040 There was a lot of blood and that dude was completely covered 835 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,720 in it and the walls were covered in it. 836 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,960 And that's not something you forget. 837 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,640 It's different. I never saw anything like that 838 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,360 in combat. Oh, it's so, it's so close and 839 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160 I'm sure you weren't like mentally prepared for it. 840 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,240 If you're doing art, you're probably not in the in fight 841 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,720 mindset. It's a little different than 842 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,200 prepping to go into into a conflict. 843 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,480 Dude, I mean, I'd, I'd keep, I'd keep locks and stuff and socks 844 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,800 just waiting because there'd just be some people that you 845 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000 knew were just on edge about certain things. 846 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,960 And if they decided to just choose to come into your room, 847 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,680 it could be some new guy that just got to that, to that 848 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,600 institution, that new FCI. And he might not know who I am. 849 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,680 So he might not know that most of these guys are going to have 850 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,320 my back. But he's going to come try me 851 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,280 because he sees me as just this white dude. 852 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,440 So you've got to be ready. You've got to be prepared all 853 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,800 the time because people will take your life quickly. 854 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,840 And if you're not willing to do that, you might as well just 855 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,880 call quits, because you ain't going to come home. 856 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,960 Are you still pretty edgy right now? 857 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,680 Yeah, yeah, man, I don't like going out in public at all right 858 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,000 now. Like I used to be like up until 859 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,280 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, like very socially active. 860 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,360 And I went from being so used to overstimulation of travelling 861 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,560 and being around people and speaking all the time and being 862 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,040 on camera to solitary confinement. 863 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,920 And then my first time being around people, They're all 864 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,760 hopped up on meth and this other deuce drug and they're just 865 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:49,560 crazy, violent people. Yeah, it's it's insane, man. 866 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:55,840 Like my first weekend back here, my guys, the local PBS brought 867 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,080 me to the house party and I end up just locking myself to the 868 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,200 bedroom and sat in there all night by myself. 869 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,200 I couldn't do it, couldn't be around people. 870 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,920 It was overwhelming. It was like I, I have a lot of 871 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,760 trouble right now with anxiety and being around people. 872 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,080 I can't do it. I go to bed almost every night 873 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,960 at 8:00, but I have not slept in almost three weeks because my 874 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,760 mind is just racing non-stop. Like I'm so used to being on 875 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,400 guard and on alert that now I can't even figure out a way to 876 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,800 like really relax and lay down and just shut my mind off. 877 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,680 And it's hard. You've got to, you know, it's 878 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,360 all compounded with the fact that I didn't get a pardon. 879 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,720 I just got my sentence commuted and as a retired Army veteran, I 880 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,760 was making, you know, a certain amount of money every month and 881 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,880 I had the full use of the VA and now I don't, I today I tried to 882 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,920 go to the VA just to get help because I was, I'm at a breaking 883 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,880 point. I need sleep. 884 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,280 And I went up there and asked for help and they put in my 885 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,200 Social Security number and they said that I have been court 886 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920 martialed for subversion against the United States. 887 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,200 And the guy got locked out of his computer system and I was 888 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,480 asked to leave. It was a little bit more harsh 889 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,440 than that. And I put the story out about 890 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,120 that earlier today on the on X. And luckily someone helped me 891 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,560 and reached out a local doctor and she helped me get a 892 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,720 prescription for some stuff that I needed to help with sleep. 893 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,800 And I hope tonight I'll actually get sleep for the first time. 894 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,000 But I didn't think in a million years that my country would turn 895 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,200 on me and then I wouldn't even have access to the VA. 896 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,360 You know, I, I fought for my country. 897 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,960 I almost died. I have purple hearts. 898 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,120 I've taken shrapnel, I've had my knee replaced that metal in my 899 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,120 right foot. You know, I've been through it 900 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,240 for this country. I did what I'm supposed to do 901 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,800 and I didn't back out. I didn't run away like Bowe 902 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,760 Bergdahl and start snitching on my unit to the freaking Taliban. 903 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,440 And I, I just, you know, I'm, it's a bittersweet thing 904 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,160 because, you know, I'm glad I'm home, but now I feel like a bird 905 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,920 and I feel like a burden because, you know, I still have 906 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,440 these terrorism charges on me. I can't get a job. 907 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,600 I can't go rent a place because no one's going to rent to me. 908 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,000 I can't even take my daughter on a field trip because my criminal 909 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,040 record is just so insane looking that if they see that they're 910 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,040 just going to be like, Hey, you're not even going to come 911 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,200 pick your daughter up. So I'm walking on egg shells, 912 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,960 man. And it's just, it's not easy. 913 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,640 And I don't know why they haven't given us a pardon. 914 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,640 I don't know why I don't have access to my my VA benefits, but 915 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560 I'm just hoping that somebody will see one of these interviews 916 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,160 and someone will have a heart and Trump, Pete Head says. 917 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,880 Somebody out there, someone will help me. 918 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,040 And not just me, but Zachary Real and some of these other 919 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,440 guys that were there with me that day that were veterans who 920 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,840 didn't do anything, who didn't hurt anybody, who didn't steal 921 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,760 anything, didn't lay a finger on anybody. 922 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,440 We just want a chance to be able to provide for our families and 923 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,160 have a normal life. It seems like such a light ask 924 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200 and and the fact that they pulled all the stuff out it, I 925 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,920 mean, I can't think of any other word except betrayal. 926 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,200 I mean, what else would you call that? 927 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,120 Yeah, You know, it is. It really is. 928 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,800 I don't know how you can lose benefits to something that I I 929 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,920 got because of something I did in my past. 930 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,320 Like I fought for my country and they owe me that. 931 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,720 They owe me those benefits because I fought and bled and 932 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,400 almost died numerous times. One day, September 26th, 2006, 933 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,240 on the Samara Bypass, I was blown up and almost killed. 934 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,360 I was pulled out of the vehicle, put into a convoy Green Berets 935 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,760 at a place called Brassfield Mora on the Samara Bypass and I 936 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,240 was taken to the hospital. On the way to the hospital from 937 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,040 that injury, I was blown up again, and then they started 938 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,000 shooting at us and trying to overrun us. 939 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,560 I've been through a lot of stuff, man, you know, and, and I 940 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,240 just want to be able to get help at a doctor when I need it and I 941 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,800 need it. And I wish they would help me. 942 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600 What do you, what kind of information were you getting 943 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,120 about the way politics were working when you were inside 944 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,200 the, you know, what were you thinking prior to the election 945 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,680 as it was running up? Did you have a sense of hope 946 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,680 then? Did you think that you know what 947 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,120 I mean? What kind of mental state were 948 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,200 you in, let's say in November of last year? 949 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,640 I was pretty hopeful all the way up until the point when they 950 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,680 started trying to kill him. I'll never forget that day 951 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,560 because we had been on lockdown for about a month or so and they 952 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,160 finally turned the TV on that day. 953 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,880 It was on a Saturday I believe and I think it was like 5 954 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,640 minutes after he had already been shot. 955 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,160 But I'm just now seeing the TV come on and I just see herd of 956 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,000 Secret Service moving somebody into the into a vehicle and 957 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,840 leaving. And I remember looking at one of 958 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,160 the, the, the guy in the cell with me and I go, oh man, 959 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,840 there's probably another one of those dumb ass protesters 960 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,880 running in there trying to start something or just getting them 961 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,680 out of there. And then it goes back and it 962 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,920 says attempted assassination. And I go, what? 963 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,360 And I look and I see him standing there and I see him 964 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,840 turn his head and then grab a deer and drop down and my knees 965 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,560 just buckled. I go, Oh my God, that's it. 966 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,040 I'm done. I'm never going to go home 967 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,280 because and if he doesn't get in there, no one else is going to 968 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,560 let us out. No one else is going to stand up 969 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,800 to help us. And I, my heart, everything, my 970 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,600 future, everything flashed before my eyes. 971 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,960 I just, I was like, I'm never going to see my kid again. 972 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,640 I'm never going to have an opportunity to, to do so much 973 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,600 things that I wanted to do. And when he got up and said 974 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:46,320 fight by fight, man, talk about inspiring and, you know, 975 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,480 rejuvenating. And I was so ecstatic to see 976 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,560 leadership like that. You know, that's what America 977 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,240 is. You know, we get hit and we get 978 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,880 back up and we don't sit there and run off and cry and we fight 979 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:05,880 for what we believe in. And I was so positive after 980 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,480 that. But then in the way the news 981 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,320 cycle is, it was like a month later, they're already talking 982 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,720 about him like he was trash again. 983 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,760 And I'm like, Oh my God. And they're saying that Kamal is 984 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,120 like smart and that she's like a good candidate. 985 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,680 I, I couldn't, I couldn't believe it. 986 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,720 I go, I go. They've already shown that 987 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,360 they're willing to do whatever they can to take this guy out. 988 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,520 There's no way. And then the election happens 989 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,800 and I go, stay inside, dude, stop freaking talking to people. 990 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,600 Just stay somewhere and hide until you can get into your job. 991 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,800 Because I want to go home. So do my buddies. 992 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,360 Like you got all these people so dependent upon you just getting 993 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,600 there alive. And I remember being on the 994 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,960 phone and my mom said, Hey, they just tried to kill him again. 995 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,280 And I just put at the golf course that I go to all the 996 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,880 time. And I go, you, you just can't 997 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,120 believe it. And then you start hearing the 998 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,080 stuff about Butler and you start hearing the fact that everybody 999 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,320 saw this dude walking around with a range Finder. 1000 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,640 And you know that that there was just no communication between 1001 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,320 Secret Service and the local police. 1002 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,720 And it was just these different egos playing and, you know, you 1003 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,720 had these new Secret Service agents in there that watched a 1004 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,280 video on how to do a presidential protection detail. 1005 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,480 Like, what in the hell is going on? 1006 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:30,200 So my, my faith in any type of system within the government has 1007 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,560 been shattered. I just, I, I, I don't know. 1008 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,400 It's hard for me to believe anything now because I had so 1009 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,840 much bad happen to me for so long that it's hard for me to 1010 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,520 believe that anything good could ever happen. 1011 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560 And, you know, I just, I got to a point that I didn't think that 1012 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,960 I was ever going to get home. Even after he won the election, 1013 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,600 I still just didn't believe it. I remember the night he won, 1014 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,440 everybody was coming up to me and going pat me on the back, 1015 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,000 man, that's it. And I go, that's not it, man. 1016 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,960 I said they're, they're, they're, they're already trying 1017 00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,320 to kill him. I said, you know, and that 1018 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,280 Iran's got a hit on. It's like, there's no way. 1019 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,120 There's no freaking way because he is surrounded by morons, 1020 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,240 people who are part of the resistance and care more about, 1021 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,080 you know, Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and you know, all this 1022 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,400 other crap and not enough about saving this country. 1023 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,240 I just didn't have any faith anymore. 1024 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,880 And it just it, it was hard. It was a struggle. 1025 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,640 And even on the 20th, on Inauguration Day, on 1026 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,240 Inauguration Day, the captain of the compound that I was at in 1027 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,160 Talladega FCI in Alabama, I get called AT2O clock in the 1028 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,400 afternoon. And the captain, this black guy, 1029 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,880 he goes, I need an address that you could go home to if you were 1030 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,280 to go home. Apparently your boy won and 1031 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,240 thinks he has enough power to get you out. 1032 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,800 He goes, you're not going to leave. 1033 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,360 I just want you to know, but if you were to go, where would you 1034 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,720 go? And I give him an address where 1035 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,040 I'm going. And he goes, I hope you never 1036 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,960 get out. He goes, I hope you stay in jail 1037 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,080 and you rot there for the rest of your life. 1038 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,920 He goes, I hate you. And then he just turned around 1039 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,160 and left and I'm just sitting there shocked. 1040 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,560 And then he comes back and he goes, why are you still here? 1041 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,560 Take your white supremacist ass back to your cell, lock the 1042 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,880 door. You're not leaving. 1043 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,360 Goodbye. And 8:30 at night, one of the CE 1044 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,880 OS comes up to me and goes, the administration just called. 1045 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,840 They called. The warden said you've got to 1046 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,480 leave right now, get your stuff together. 1047 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,200 Like I you just don't, I mean, I just, you know, earlier, I'm 1048 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,120 just being told screw you. I hope you're staying here 1049 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,640 forever. And then all of a sudden they're 1050 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,000 rushing to Get Me Out. And then I'm, I'm like, man, 1051 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,960 still something stupid is going to happen. 1052 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,480 I know it. There's something's going to get 1053 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,360 screwed up. And sure enough, as soon as I 1054 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,880 get into the office for that's called R&D releasing departure. 1055 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,720 I'm filling all this paperwork and that same cop comes back and 1056 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,800 goes, He goes, he goes, guess what? 1057 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,920 You're not getting a pardon, dude. 1058 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,760 And he goes, you're just getting your sentence community. 1059 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,760 He's like, good luck out there. And just, like, laughs and turns 1060 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,200 away and leaves. Yeah. 1061 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,320 That's crazy. Everything about that is crazy. 1062 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,160 And then what? That, where, where did you go? 1063 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,000 You you're released at 8:00 at night. 1064 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:18,880 No, I, it, it took until 11:30 or 12 around midnight because I 1065 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,200 didn't get a pardon. So because of that, the federal 1066 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:27,320 judges, Judge Ahmed Maeda and Kelly and all them still part of 1067 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:33,680 the resistance decided to put us on restrictions like, like we 1068 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,240 had to do probation. They didn't really care that the 1069 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,520 commutation meant that everything was over, which is 1070 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,400 your sentence. You've served your time, which 1071 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,200 means there's no probation. So we had to sit there and wait 1072 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,120 on this process to play out where they, at the middle of the 1073 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,760 night, contact the probation offices across the country for 1074 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,360 the 14 or 15 of us that didn't get pardoned. 1075 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,840 And that was a nightmare to sit here and go back and forth and 1076 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,440 wait on the stupid paperwork. And then I finally get contacted 1077 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,760 by the probation officer down in Florida and she's saying, you 1078 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,120 didn't get a pardon and you're on probation and ha ha, ha, ha 1079 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,840 ha, and all just laughing and having a good time. 1080 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,760 And she goes, you're not going to get a pardon. 1081 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,160 You're never going to get a pardon. 1082 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,800 And she's like, you're going to be stuck on this stuff for years 1083 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,960 and years and years and we're always going to have control 1084 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,360 over you. And ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 1085 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,280 And then finally, two weeks later, about a week and a half 1086 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,600 ago, she calls me and goes, well, I'm sorry. 1087 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480 I hope there's no hard feelings. Good luck out there. 1088 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,880 And they released me because I should have never been on 1089 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,640 probation in the 1st place. But they were threatening that 1090 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,520 if we were to do anything or, you know, break any of these 1091 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,120 rules, that they wouldn't tell us what they were. 1092 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,320 They would throw us back in jail. 1093 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,000 So I was a nervous wreck. And it's just like, it's so hard 1094 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,480 to believe anything is going to happen because all this dumb 1095 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,560 crap keeps happening. That's just frustrating. 1096 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,760 And that was only, what, a couple weeks ago? 1097 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,000 Two weeks ago. Yeah. 1098 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,040 So what have you been doing for the last two weeks? 1099 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,960 What you know as you're, you're free, the incremental freedom, 1100 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,400 but you're, you're free. What are you spending your time 1101 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,160 doing? Well, I tried to go get a house 1102 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,240 as soon as I wrote the person on the 21st century, you know, real 1103 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,240 estate thing you put in your name. 1104 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,440 I got hit back up around 9:00 that night and the lady, the 1105 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,240 real estate agency goes, are you Joe Biggs, the insurrectionist? 1106 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,600 F you, you're not going to get a place. 1107 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,000 So I go, OK, well, that's how this is going to go now. 1108 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,400 Great. So then after that I just kind 1109 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,880 of said, you know what, I'm just going to have to wait a little 1110 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,440 while to see what happens. And that's kind of where I'm at 1111 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,920 right now. Like I can't do anything. 1112 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,880 I'm here, but that's it. I feel like a bird and it sucks 1113 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,280 because I could be out there doing stuff and I could be 1114 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,680 providing and I could be speaking to people and 1115 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,600 travelling around and I'm still considered a terrorist. 1116 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,120 And I will be flying to DC next week to C pack. 1117 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,160 But stay tuned because I don't know what that's going to be 1118 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,080 like to be to, to try to fly while you still have all this on 1119 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,360 your record. I hear it's not a very fun 1120 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,080 process. And you've got to you go into 1121 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,200 the counter, you check in, they come and swarm you with federal 1122 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,920 agents. They take you into the back and 1123 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,600 interrogate you, strip you down, search you, escort you through 1124 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,360 TSA, strip you down, search you, escort you to the door of the 1125 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,920 plane, search you, escort you onto the plane, search you, you 1126 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,640 fly, you land, you're brought off the plane at the door, 1127 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,840 search, brought into a backroom and search, brought up to the 1128 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,400 front and searched and then allowed to leave. 1129 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,680 Yeah. So you've been hearing people 1130 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,480 who are on the quiet skies, the the Quad S list and some of the 1131 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,440 experiences they've had and that's what you're looking at. 1132 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,360 Yeah, but we live to fight another day. 1133 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,640 Indeed, I've got some people I want to introduce you to, 1134 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,640 especially people in Florida who might be able to help mitigate 1135 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,760 some of that stuff because we've got some contacts for that. 1136 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,760 I mean, this is stuff that's been going on while you're on 1137 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,400 the other end of it. This is the war that people have 1138 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,520 been dealing with on the outside. 1139 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,840 Much, much less involved than being in prison, obviously. 1140 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,840 But this, this harassment is wild. 1141 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,680 Is there is there any contact with folks that are in who who 1142 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,000 handles this? Just the White House? 1143 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,720 I mean, really, that's it. I mean, you know, it's, you 1144 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,360 know, I like I said, I hate to seem like, you know, this 1145 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,200 negative Nancy and everybody keeps saying hold the faith, 1146 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,080 but, you know, I don't know what I mean. 1147 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,840 What have I been doing for the last four years? 1148 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,960 You know, I hear them come out and go, well, we might be 1149 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,640 thinking about giving Rod Blagojevich a pardon. 1150 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,400 And then the next day, he's pardoned. 1151 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,160 He's free now to run for mayor again. 1152 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,960 And I'm sitting here going like, if the process is that easy, why 1153 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,280 am I still sitting here as a veteran who fought from my 1154 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,760 country and watch my friends die in front of me and almost died? 1155 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,760 Why can't I just have have a snap of a finger and have my 1156 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,680 stuff wiped because I didn't do anything. 1157 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,280 All you had to do was be there at the trial. 1158 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,120 I wish we could go back and televise that. 1159 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,840 And that's the reason they don't like to to film and allow 1160 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,000 cameras into the federal trials because it is so corrupt. 1161 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,080 If people could have seen, if the world could have seen the 1162 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,240 Proud Boys trial, they would have had 0 faith in our 1163 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,920 institution whatsoever because it was such a joke. 1164 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,760 It was such a joke and such a waste of money and so 1165 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,000 ridiculous. I just hope, yeah. 1166 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,160 Where are the FBI agents? Where were they from that that 1167 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:30,680 were testifying against you? One of them was a local 1 here, 1168 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,560 another was a local 1 from where Dominic lived, the other one 1169 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,840 from where Enrique lived, another one from where Zach 1170 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,720 lived. And the really the only thing 1171 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,360 they brought into the to to the to the fray was like, oh, they 1172 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,160 had a the Proud boys flag or a T-shirt. 1173 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,760 And it's like, Oh my God, they're so scary. 1174 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,560 We had to listen to them constantly say that five police 1175 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,760 officers were killed that day, which is just false. 1176 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,960 And even, you know, what's kind of surprising is even Wikipedia 1177 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,200 updated and says like 5 protesters were killed that day, 1178 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,560 but no cops were killed that day. 1179 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,480 And they finally switched it on there. 1180 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,600 But you couldn't be honest about it during the trial when our 1181 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,320 lives are on the line. That didn't matter. 1182 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,760 No, because you have a narrative, you know, So it's, 1183 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,440 it's a process and I want to get my hope back and I want to have 1184 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,920 faith in my country. But right now it's shot. 1185 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,560 That's just being honest. I don't blame you. 1186 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,880 I don't blame you at all. But I'm seeing, I'm seeing 1187 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,000 people, I'm seeing people get pardoned left and right right 1188 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,640 now and they're saying, well, it's going to be a process with 1189 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,640 you, man. I'm like, really? 1190 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,800 Because these other people I'm watching on TV, every day is a 1191 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,280 new pardon of somebody coming out. 1192 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,600 And they the day before was like, well, we don't know if 1193 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,160 we're going to do this. And then the next day it's like 1194 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,000 they're on on freaking news everywhere, hugging their 1195 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,440 family, getting back to life. And here I'm still sitting here 1196 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,640 twiddling my thumb's going hello, did you guys forget about 1197 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,280 us? I don't get it. 1198 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,080 Like why, why, why are we being treated differently all? 1199 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,680 Right, we're going to take a quick break. 1200 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,480 Say thanks to the folks at Patriot Mobile who keep this 1201 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,040 program on the air, particularly on this Sunday. 1202 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,720 If you're looking down at your phone and that's where you're 1203 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,240 watching this, remember you can switch to an American cell phone 1204 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880 provider that also has the same values that you do. 1205 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,480 People that care about the 1st Amendment, the Second Amendment, 1206 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,040 care about the sanctity of life are veterans, first responders. 1207 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,120 They care about people like Joe biggsitspatriotmobile.com/KSS. 1208 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,320 Again, KSS is the promo code. 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Pick up a company that cares 1219 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,920 about the things you do that supports this Kyle Seraphin 1220 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,720 show. We're really grateful for them 1221 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,720 sponsoring our program. You guys want to sponsor? 1222 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,000 Want to do a switch? If you guys want to do a switch 1223 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,680 now it's the time you can do it. Check out patriotmobile.com. 1224 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,440 We're going to get right back into this conversation with you. 1225 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:14,120 Yeah. Why? 1226 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,320 I'm, I'm, I'm also trying to work through it. 1227 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,520 Is there is there a logic or I mean, there's got to be 1228 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,400 attorneys that are talking to you about what they think is 1229 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,240 happening. Do is there what's what's the 1230 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,600 speculation? No, I have no idea. 1231 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,600 It doesn't make any sense to them. 1232 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,720 The lawyers are completely dumbfounded by this. 1233 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:36,960 They have no there's no what jet of the reason because there were 1234 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:43,200 people who are actually violent and actually maybe stole or 1235 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,760 property destruction that day. Free and clear charge his wife 1236 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,560 like it never happened. Expunged. 1237 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,280 They can go out and do whatever they want. 1238 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,720 They can go to the gun range tomorrow and go buy guns. 1239 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,440 I can't do anything and all I did was walk into an open door 1240 01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:02,440 with two hot Italian chicks, go take a piss and leave and I'm 1241 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:12,160 somehow scary Batman. If they can, if if Trump strokes 1242 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,640 out a pardon, you get the paper is does that give you 1243 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,560 opportunity to reapply and get your your VA benefits? 1244 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,520 What is the do you have any idea what that looks like? 1245 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,880 Under what? Under what? 1246 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,840 How? How do they even pull that away? 1247 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,320 I guess I I've, I've heard this happen. 1248 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,960 I don't know why and I don't understand how, so maybe you can 1249 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,760 tell me. So the only way for me to get 1250 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,880 back my benefits as someone who was charged with seditious 1251 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:43,000 conspiracy is to have a full, full, no strings attached, full 1252 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,720 forgiveness presidential pardon. That is the only way. 1253 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,520 And the way that it is set up right now is if we get the 1254 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,960 pardon and then it can go to people like Ed Martin and those 1255 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,960 in DC and then get our records expunged. 1256 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,960 But we have to have that pardon. I don't know why that's a thing. 1257 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,120 But in order for me to get my life back, I've got to get that. 1258 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,080 And, you know, I am very bitter. And I'm just, it just sucks 1259 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,920 because, you know, everybody in my family is just like, how can 1260 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,480 they take something from you that you already fought and 1261 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,120 almost died for? You know, you're dealing with 1262 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,280 enough stuff from that already as it is. 1263 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,200 I had enough to write a book about before January 6th. 1264 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,920 I mean, come on now. And I, I, I don't care about 1265 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,040 that. I just want my life back. 1266 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:36,520 I want to be able to go to the VA and seek help and be able to 1267 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,520 sleep at night and just enjoy being home with my family. 1268 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:47,680 And I cannot do that right now. I imagine not have there been 1269 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,200 any offers to tell your story, write a book, this sort of thing 1270 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,120 you just is that is that been approached have have. 1271 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,800 Anybody I've had, I've had a few film makers that I personally 1272 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,160 know just kind of say they're interested. 1273 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,200 I've had one publication, I don't remember the name of it 1274 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,800 because I wasn't expecting the call. 1275 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,960 So it just kind of came out of nowhere that they were 1276 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,040 interested in possibly doing a book with the five of us and 1277 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,960 then a joint one as well. But I haven't heard anything 1278 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,160 back from them. Right now, I'm kind of just 1279 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,560 getting ready for the DC and hoping that I can get through 1280 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,400 that without, you know, them trying to throw me in jail 1281 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,800 again. I should be able to travel 1282 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,000 around the country. You know, I fought for this 1283 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,360 nation. I should be able to be welcomed 1284 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:43,000 in DC or Portland OR Boston or Tampa Bay or, you know, wherever 1285 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,080 Butte, Mt. It shouldn't matter. 1286 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,000 I should be able to go there and hang out and have the same 1287 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,480 freedoms as anyone else. And that's just all I want. 1288 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,480 So are you going to, are you speaking at CPAC or were you 1289 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,640 invited to do anything there? I think the only way they'll let 1290 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,080 us do it is it's like one of those like really weird fringe 1291 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,360 side, you know, rooms where they have like the smallest room 1292 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,920 possible. But you know, one thing that 1293 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,760 Enrique and I have is the ability to get the attention of 1294 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,320 the media in a really fantastic way. 1295 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,880 So I think I have some ideas. We'll see what happens. 1296 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:29,200 Yeah, indeed. And would you, do you think that 1297 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,160 being as public as possible and keeping your name out there as 1298 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,520 as frequently as possible is, is really your only path to to, you 1299 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,400 know, stimulate this, this positive outcome? 1300 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,640 Yeah, it is. I mean, I'm afraid that if I if 1301 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,600 I am not like I, I've tried to reach out to everybody on every 1302 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,600 network you can imagine of Newsmax, America's Voice. 1303 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,480 I have not gotten a response from anybody before this. 1304 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,000 These people are constantly beating down my door, want me to 1305 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,600 come on and talk about stuff. Because I would come on as like 1306 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,440 a war correspondent. I would come on and talk about 1307 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,560 the border. But then this thing happened and 1308 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,840 it's like the same people who say that they support us won't 1309 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,760 even take my calls or answer my emails. 1310 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,520 So, you know, I, I, I want to be in front of the camera as much 1311 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,680 as I can, talking about Prison Reform, talking about what it's 1312 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,320 like to go through this experience as much as I can. 1313 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,040 Because I feel like if I, if I don't have that opportunity, I 1314 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,560 will be forgotten. That Zachary Real will be 1315 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,520 forgotten, that Dominic Pizzola will be forgotten, that Ethan 1316 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,520 Nordine and many others, you know, Stewart Rhodes, that will 1317 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:35,120 be just left in the dust to rot and be burdens. 1318 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,120 And I know it sounds all Billy Hilly, but that's really what it 1319 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,960 is. You know, like my family needs 1320 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,560 me to be able to be the provider that I am. 1321 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,080 I am a single father and I have a mother and a 7 year old 1322 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:49,960 daughter. That's it, that's my family, 1323 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,760 that's my circle, that's all I got and I need to be there for 1324 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,560 him. So I'm hoping this will help me. 1325 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,400 I'm hoping that someone will see this and they will go. 1326 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,440 That sucks. That's crazy. 1327 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,200 That shouldn't be happening. This is horrendous. 1328 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,200 This is an atrocity. Let's help these guys. 1329 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,120 So please help us. Who is your your elected 1330 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,600 representative? Who's your congressman and where 1331 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,000 you're living right now? Well, it was Michael Waltz and 1332 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,520 now he is kind of busy with a new job. 1333 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,320 We both have a very mutual friend. 1334 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,920 I've been to his book signings before, but he is no longer the 1335 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,120 congressman here. There's someone else. 1336 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,680 And I have been gone for so long, I don't really know the 1337 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,360 insurance and outs of Florida politics outside of Ron DeSantis 1338 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,960 being the governor. So I've got to do some delving 1339 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,280 into that and figure out who I have here in Volusia County and 1340 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,720 who I can reach out to to talk to. 1341 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:57,120 Yeah, is there, is there an angle that like a like a, a 1342 01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,840 strategy, some sort of legal strategy as somebody was 1343 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,280 speculating that maybe keeping some of the, you know, a handful 1344 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,320 of you all commutation instead of pardons was because they 1345 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:12,000 wanted to do something to change, you know, the way that 1346 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,400 that, that the system work there. 1347 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,880 But I, I, I can't figure out what the hell that is and why 1348 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,800 people keep speculating. You know, people said the same 1349 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,840 thing to Stewart Rhodes and and he doesn't seem to have an 1350 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,160 answer. Nobody's explained that to you 1351 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,920 that there may be some angle. No, I have no idea. 1352 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,880 Like I said, I just don't have faith right now. 1353 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,600 I hope that these people pull through and they do what they 1354 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,319 said they were going to do, that they were going to pardon us and 1355 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,319 give us our military benefits back. 1356 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,520 And I'm just waiting around for that. 1357 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,000 I, I really, I, I've talked to lawyers. 1358 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:46,680 No one can really get a an idea as to why we've been singled out 1359 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:51,560 for all this, and I just don't really have an answer for that. 1360 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,520 It's just that we're stuck in this limbo and we're hoping that 1361 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,319 maybe someone will see this and go, OK, this is horrible, let's 1362 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,000 help them. But it hasn't happened yet. 1363 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,359 So I'm hoping someone will see this interview or Stewart's and 1364 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,960 they will take a look and finally do the right thing for 1365 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,120 us because we definitely deserve it. 1366 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,600 Yeah, I'm flabbergasted. I mean, I'm, I don't have a lot 1367 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,359 of questions or difficulty forming questions, but I'm, I'm 1368 01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:20,560 sitting here in my brain and I'm listening to your story and I'm 1369 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,520 hearing the, the, you know, the fact pattern is absurd. 1370 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,439 The things that happened are crazy. 1371 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,720 They've been crazy. We've had five years of crazy. 1372 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,640 And the other thing is, and I don't know if you're even aware 1373 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,160 of this, but there were people that were talking in the 1374 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,640 political circles. They, they didn't want to come 1375 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,279 talk to me because I hurt people's feelings. 1376 01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,520 They didn't want to come talk to you guys because January 6th was 1377 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,880 a losing issue. And that's what we were told 1378 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,319 that politically was a losing issue. 1379 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,200 So they didn't want to bring up these things. 1380 01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:47,479 But all that stuff's in the past. 1381 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,240 Now at this point, the, the, the issue is irrelevant. 1382 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,520 And it's not like you're going to be able to stop the 1383 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,160 electivity. You know, the, the future 1384 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,080 election of Donald Trump, it's this is it. 1385 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,760 He's got one shot. He can do anything he wants. 1386 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,000 Yeah, exactly. That's what I don't understand. 1387 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,200 We just watched Joe Biden's pardon his entire family 1388 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,160 preemptively without ever being charged for anything. 1389 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:08,400 So what kind of political capital would you be spending to 1390 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,440 take a couple of military veterans and give back their 1391 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,480 benefits and say, hey, you can go out there and own firearms 1392 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:15,080 And you, you didn't get accused of anything violent. 1393 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,680 And there was absolute bullshit that happened in Washington, DC, 1394 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,360 which is why they're considering, I mean, how do you 1395 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,080 react to people saying that they're, they're thinking about 1396 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,440 prosecuting, you know, assistant United States attorneys going 1397 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,160 after, you know, FBI agents? What? 1398 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:35,280 How does that sit with you? I, I mean, I, I just right now 1399 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,080 I'm just focused on me and my family. 1400 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,920 I'm going to be honest, I'm being selfish. 1401 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,760 And I mean, it's not being selfish because you know, I've 1402 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,600 been told he, he, this is what he goes, he goes, we're going to 1403 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,480 get him. He goes, the Proud boys didn't 1404 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,120 do anything wrong. He goes, they should be full 1405 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,880 pardon. And we're going to do it for him 1406 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:56,920 day one. And I'm waiting and I'm happy 1407 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,920 that I'm out, but it's such a double edged sword that we are 1408 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,400 out and there's nothing we can do. 1409 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,840 We can't get a place, we can't get a job, we can't provide for 1410 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,360 our family. I can't even go get seen at the 1411 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,120 doctor. I can't do anything. 1412 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,120 I walk around everywhere and everyone knows who I am. 1413 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,000 And you love me or hate me, but that still doesn't put food on 1414 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,880 the table, that still doesn't put insurance on my vehicles, 1415 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,800 that still doesn't help me get a home for my daughter. 1416 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,760 That doesn't help me do anything until I get that pardon that 1417 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,120 everybody else seems to be getting that over the last few 1418 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,320 days. You know, everybody's coming out 1419 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,560 of the woodwork getting a part and asking for one, getting one, 1420 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:41,280 but for some reason we can't. So yeah, that's all. 1421 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,080 I don't. I, yeah, I don't want to belabor 1422 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,240 the question because I, it, it just seems like it's such a 1423 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:51,000 simple solution and and I, I really empathize with this, this 1424 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,560 problem. I, I don't it, it feels like 1425 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,600 some things just got left behind and and. 1426 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,880 Like you said, few people. Like you said, this isn't going 1427 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,080 to affect his career. I could understand, you know, it 1428 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,600 can't cost it. Can't cost anybody anything at 1429 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,960 this point. We're just, we're dismantling 1430 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,200 all this corruption in the government and but we're worried 1431 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:16,000 about, Oh my God, Joe Biggs just got a full part no, OK. 1432 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,200 It won't even make it through. It won't even make it through 12 1433 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,880 hours of the news cycle. I can tell you right now, having 1434 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,000 watched it for the last couple years, it it'll it'll be a blip 1435 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,800 on the radar. I just watched Tulsi, Tulsi 1436 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,480 Gabbard, who was apparently, you know, a huge problem and she was 1437 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,640 confirmed and it didn't even get reported for the first couple 1438 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,920 hours because people already you're dealing with other stuff. 1439 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,480 You know, they're just they're talking about hairy balls and 1440 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,720 big balls. And we're just in such a goofy, 1441 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,440 it's just a goofy moment, which by the way, that that's very 1442 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,120 funny. Like there's nothing more 1443 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,280 American than that than trolling the media with with balls jokes. 1444 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,920 That makes me happy. But. 1445 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,800 There's an awful lot of injustice that just has not been 1446 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,440 corrected still. And it Yeah, I'm, I'm with you. 1447 01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:57,840 I don't, I don't want to see it fall. 1448 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,040 You know, I I have this long memory on it. 1449 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,800 While we're thinking about the injustice piece of it, let me 1450 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,040 ask you, if you can, if you don't mind being specific, who 1451 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,920 are the biggest villains in your saga? 1452 01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:15,000 The people that have really done some things that were wrong that 1453 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,200 that acted in in bad faith. And, and if you can kind of 1454 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,160 highlight any of them, I'd be really interested to know 1455 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,800 whether it was media that was calling it ugly or whether 1456 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,440 they're people that were in the, the legal system. 1457 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:26,560 Just I'd love to know what they're, what they're about, and 1458 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,360 who they are. Well, I would say first and 1459 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,880 foremost, I think it all comes down to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck 1460 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:32,800 Schumer. I think they were the 1461 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,880 ringleaders behind a lot of this. 1462 01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,240 Mayor Muriel Bowser, You know, both these people denied 1463 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,920 National Guard going that day. Trump asked for all that. 1464 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,160 It's like they wanted something to happen. 1465 01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:47,760 They had these fake bombs set up at the RNC and DC, but they 1466 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,640 didn't need it because they had so many undercovers. 1467 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:53,120 There were like 50 undercover federal agents just with an hour 1468 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,640 group and they were all live texting. 1469 01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,680 The FBI going Proud Boys didn't start it. 1470 01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:58,920 Proud Boys didn't knock it on the fence. 1471 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,120 Proud Boys didn't do it. And then those guys aren't 1472 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,480 allowed to come to trial. So, you know, you've got the the 1473 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,120 higher ups in the FBI that have completely just crapped all over 1474 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,440 the Constitution and all over our rights. 1475 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:18,240 You have people like Jason McCullough, you have people like 1476 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:23,880 our judge that just sat there and cooked out to the Democrats 1477 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,840 and everything they wanted and played right along with it 1478 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,520 knowing that everything was a lie. 1479 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,880 To me, that's the the scariest thing is that these federal 1480 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,240 judges should be fired. They should be removed and these 1481 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,400 types of people should not be allowed to sit on benches like 1482 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,080 that and and hold people's lives in their hands because what they 1483 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,720 did is disgusting and it is more UN American than anything 1484 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:55,520 happened on January 6th. Yeah, it does seem like there's 1485 01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,640 A at least a sense that people are getting these guys are 1486 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,520 really a problem, that there's a serious problem in the judiciary 1487 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,840 that the inferior judges are, they're overstepping and they 1488 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,080 are, they're not acting honest. I mean, I don't know anybody who 1489 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,520 covered any of the J6 stuff. And I talked to Steve Baker 1490 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,880 pretty extensively and he went to a number of trials and he's 1491 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,800 working for the Blaze right now, was charged himself. 1492 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,120 And at the same time, he's like these people, they're, they're 1493 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,760 partisan. They're, they're weighing in on 1494 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,240 it. There's no blind justice in that 1495 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,000 case. And they're just revealing the, 1496 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,800 the truth to people, which, like I said, it's making conservative 1497 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,360 people who generally support law enforcement, who generally are, 1498 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,320 you know, are pro judiciary and think that if you're there, you 1499 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,880 probably deserve it. And a lot of people are starting 1500 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,960 to open their mind up and go, holy crap, how biased is this? 1501 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,840 How? How unfair is this system? 1502 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,120 The worst, the even the scarier part is I've never owed more 1503 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,040 than 1000 or so in in taxes ever. 1504 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,320 As soon as I left, the IRS started charging my mother 1505 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:04,920 $17,000 a year. They were extorting her saying 1506 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,760 that I owed that much money. The VA is claiming that we owed 1507 01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,400 thousands and thousands of dollars. 1508 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,760 And my mom was scared, didn't know what to do and was paying 1509 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,840 all this stuff off. And I've never owed this kind of 1510 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,520 money before in my life to these people. 1511 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,840 And all the sudden they're coming after her. 1512 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,840 And, you know, it's put her through a lot of stuff and you 1513 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,840 know, it, it's, it's just, it's sick and disgusting. 1514 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:36,680 And I hope that we can get this rectified and move on and 1515 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,400 continue to dismantle the corruption and help bring this 1516 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,720 country back to the greatness it deserves to be. 1517 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,440 Your mom and your and your daughter are the two people in 1518 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,560 your circle, you said right now, how's your daughter handling all 1519 01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,480 this? If I walk out of the house to go 1520 01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:59,240 to the store, she freaks out and thinks that I'm never going to 1521 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,680 come back again. She has massive PTSD from that. 1522 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:07,800 She thinks that anytime I leave now that I might not ever come 1523 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,760 back in that door again for a long long time and she clams up 1524 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,040 and gets super anxious and has anxiety now because of that. 1525 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,880 For the first two years that I was gone, I found out that she 1526 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,600 would not sleep unless there was a frame photo of me in the bed 1527 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,160 with her and she would hold it and that was just her only way 1528 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:31,680 to have a father. So I'm really pissed off about 1529 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,160 that. I am also pissed off about that 1530 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:41,800 now is an has she been talking to anybody? 1531 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,920 Has she been seeing anybody to to try to help get through this 1532 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,920 or you guys are just pushing in with? 1533 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,560 We're just, you know, I, I sit there with her and look at her 1534 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,560 and decide to just get her to understand that, you know, I'm 1535 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,360 not going anywhere and that I just need to go to the store 1536 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,440 and, you know, it's baby steps. It's not easy. 1537 01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:06,800 You know, it's been a struggle because she just, she's had her 1538 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:12,040 trust, you know her, I don't even know how to explain it. 1539 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,760 Like just that that safety net of having a dad was stripped 1540 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,920 from her for so long. And now that I'm back, she for 1541 01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,640 the first time in school has a dad, you know, and you know, 1542 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,320 it's just this whole new process we have to go through. 1543 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,760 I have to, you know, I left her at 3 and she's about to turn 8. 1544 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,480 So it's been, it's been a long time. 1545 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,360 So it is a process and we will get through it, but you know, 1546 01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:43,120 damn these people for putting my little girl through that and I 1547 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,520 hope that this is something that she will be able to push through 1548 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,320 later. I do as well. 1549 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,800 That's that's my oldest sage. She's the same. 1550 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,120 I've got three daughters and you know, my oldest is, so I can 1551 01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,920 just picture that. I know exactly what those stages 1552 01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,040 are. I also know what you missed. 1553 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,760 Yeah, I mean. Just brutal. 1554 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,960 Everybody goes, oh, my God, the Proud Boy cried like, yeah, when 1555 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,400 I was sentenced, had nothing to do with the fact that, oh, my 1556 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,840 God, I'm going to prison. It's like my little girl is not 1557 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,840 going to have a dad to take her to school. 1558 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:18,120 And if I'm gone for 17 years, in that moment I thought most 1559 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,160 positive thing in my life is gone now. 1560 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,680 I'm not going to see her go to prom. 1561 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,480 I'm not going to see her do a lot of stuff. 1562 01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:29,120 And that really, really, really hurt me inside. 1563 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:33,320 I mean, I can, you can throw me in a hole for another two years. 1564 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,720 I'd rather experience that than ever have to. 1565 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,400 To just have that feeling of, you know what I felt that day, 1566 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,640 knowing that I might not ever see her again. 1567 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,480 That's not easy. It's not not something that's 1568 01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:50,000 fun to think about. So. 1569 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,400 It's horrible, man. Yeah. 1570 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:59,440 It's just awful. What can people, what can people 1571 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:01,320 add to this? Because I think a lot of people 1572 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,000 are going to have the same sense of injustice. 1573 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,560 They're going to want to be able to do something. 1574 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,560 I don't know that a lot of us know what that thing is. 1575 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,120 Should we should, does there need to be a letter writing 1576 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,600 campaign? You know, obviously there 1577 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,640 there's certain contacts that I'm going to try to contact. 1578 01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,440 Whether they care what Kyle Seraphin has to say or not, I 1579 01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,600 have no idea. But I'm willing to, I'm willing 1580 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,400 to make the calls. But I'm wondering if, if just if 1581 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,040 there's a groundswell people that some of these injustices 1582 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,440 have to be fixed. For this country to heal in any 1583 01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:30,320 way. That's what the left does. 1584 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,880 That's one thing that's always interesting. 1585 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,040 When the left gets behind something, they all total line 1586 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,280 and they get behind it and they all fight for it and it happens 1587 01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,000 on the right. We bicker and we in fight and we 1588 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,240 point fingers and blame and I disagree with you and I disagree 1589 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,480 with this. We need to pull our heads out of 1590 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,760 our asses and we need to get behind the people that need to 1591 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,000 get their lives back together. So, yeah, I think people should 1592 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,400 be writing letters in masks. They should be calling in masks. 1593 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,760 I want politicians ears ringing with our names. 1594 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,000 I want them to be so sick of it. They go President Trump, just 1595 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,080 pardon them so we can move on. That's it. 1596 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:11,800 Just anything people can do to help us, you know, I mean, I, I, 1597 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,360 I hate asking people for donations, but I have a website, 1598 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,960 freejoebiggs.com and you can donate if you fill it in your 1599 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,040 heart that you want to do that. You know, I'm, I've always been 1600 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,240 someone that likes to do things on my own, but I don't have the 1601 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,000 ability. And if you can do it, that's 1602 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,360 great. If not, I understand, you know, 1603 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,040 if you want to pray, that's fine as well. 1604 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,600 But we need, we need people to hear this. 1605 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,480 So we need people to care. And I want people to have a 1606 01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:42,320 heart, if not for me, for, you know, little Savannah. 1607 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:48,080 So that's all I got. I think that's fair. 1608 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:51,360 I think it's, I think it's a perfectly reasonable position to 1609 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,320 be in, to have a lot of a lot of doubt right now. 1610 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,760 And I don't blame you. The other thing is I'm, I'm just 1611 01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,640 thinking of, you know, I've talked to other folks and you 1612 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,800 guys are in such a unique situation having been let out so 1613 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,200 abruptly. Most people transition to some 1614 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,920 kind of a halfway house situation. 1615 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,640 They have like a, you know, work release or whatever it is. 1616 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,400 There's some kind of program that it kind of, and, and 1617 01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,680 anybody you talk to that's gone, gone through those tells you 1618 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,640 like they go through all kinds of stages of, of, of paranoia 1619 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,000 and anxiety and they don't know how to, to adapt. 1620 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,200 And and that's part of the reason why that stuff is is 1621 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,800 useful and they slowly integrate themselves back in because four 1622 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,840 years is a long time. Yeah, we don't get. 1623 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,200 That, you know, you, you, you come out of the military and, 1624 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,440 and, and you're not normal because you've been, you know, 1625 01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:36,840 associated with something else and you got to have an 1626 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,920 adaptation there. And even then you were at least 1627 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,560 you were free. You know you may have. 1628 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,000 This, this feels, this feels way harder. 1629 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,680 You know, after, after years of combat, you come back and it's 1630 01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,480 like, all right, you know, I went and fought a war. 1631 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:55,800 Obviously, you know, I'm not now, but I've been in a 1632 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,880 different war for the last four years. 1633 01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,800 I'm a physical war, psychological war. 1634 01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,280 The psychological torture I've been put through in the last 1635 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:09,520 four years is like just it would blow your mind, you know, And 1636 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,960 it's like you said, we're not getting that help that everyone 1637 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,720 else gets when they come out of that situation. 1638 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:20,080 We're just thrown out here with a muzzle, our hands tied, our 1639 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,000 feet tied, and we're told good luck. 1640 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,240 You know, it, it just kind of like a slap in the face. 1641 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,400 It's like, well, you should be happy you're home. 1642 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,160 You should be happy with your daughter. 1643 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:39,600 Well, yeah, I am happy, but it's still not having my life. 1644 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,880 I still feel like a prisoner. I still feel like I'm unable to 1645 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,280 just shed what everyone else is. Everyone else that got that 1646 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:54,320 pardon can just celebrate and let loose and clear their mind. 1647 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,440 And I still have to live in this prison mentality right now 1648 01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,640 because I don't have the freedom. 1649 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,800 It's a fake freedom. Yeah, it's still following you, 1650 01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,280 You. Know I just want to let it all 1651 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,680 go. I was so happy that day on the 1652 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,120 20th when he was inaugurated that I thought I could finally 1653 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,480 just let all this go, this burden, this everything off of 1654 01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:24,160 my shoulders and finally just relax and be happy and, and it's 1655 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:31,360 a slap in the face. It's another betrayal, so. 1656 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,080 I'm I don't think your story's over. 1657 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,440 I think this has been a really interesting redemption arc for a 1658 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:42,360 lot of this stuff. I think that if you'd asked me 1659 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,680 six months ago if we were going to be sitting here, I would have 1660 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,120 said, no. I'm, I'm a pessimist. 1661 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,400 And I've had, I have not had a lot of faith that any of these 1662 01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:52,240 things were going to come to pass. 1663 01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:53,760 I didn't even think we were going to have an election. 1664 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,480 So between two of us and everybody listens to my audience 1665 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,400 has heard me say it. I thought they were more 1666 01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,080 shenanigans afoot. And we are about to get deeper 1667 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,760 and darker. I still think it's going to get 1668 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,800 weird for another 6 to 18 months in this country. 1669 01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,080 But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be a free man if 1670 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,200 you're really a free man. And so I will you got you got me 1671 01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,240 and probably everybody who's listening to this in your 1672 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:14,480 corner. I think that nobody can hear 1673 01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:17,200 your story and think otherwise. And the saddest thing is, is 1674 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:22,640 that like you say, they let out people who legitimately probably 1675 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,960 deserved a little bit of time in prison fighting cops, hitting 1676 01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,000 cops, getting into, you know, altercations that were physical 1677 01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,400 and violence against folks that we generally don't think should 1678 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,640 be, you know, if you're a federal officer doing your job, 1679 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,360 you shouldn't be you shouldn't be punched in the in the line of 1680 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:36,720 duty. And at the same time, you guys 1681 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,480 didn't have that accusation. And and I saw the same thing. 1682 01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:42,800 And I just, like I said, I just talked to Stewart Rode and, you 1683 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,600 know, no violence alleged there either. 1684 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,960 And it's just the the craziest moment to look at a justice 1685 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,680 system that decided to go after a bunch of guys. 1686 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,200 And then for those that be the people who've been held out and 1687 01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,400 said, you're not going to get the pardon. 1688 01:25:55,640 --> 01:26:00,360 Meanwhile, people who took swings, you know, stole things, 1689 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,360 broke stuff. Think about this, think about 1690 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,480 this. The in prison there's a point 1691 01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:08,800 system, right? So depending upon your points 1692 01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,360 depends upon the, the chain of custody you're in. 1693 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:19,760 So that'd be a a camp, a low, a medium, a penitentiary from zero 1694 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:25,040 points to 15 points is a camp. I had 9 points and I was at a 1695 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:29,920 medium high. You know, I'm there with 1696 01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,320 straight up murderers and killers and terrorists and 1697 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,760 serial killers and child rapist and rapist and Super Bowl 1698 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,440 winners who are rapists and all this stuff and Lockerbie 1699 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:45,600 bombers. And it's like you go every six 1700 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,400 months for like this report card, this update and it goes 1701 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:54,080 violence extremely low. They see me as a extremely low 1702 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,280 threat across the board. I shouldn't even be there. 1703 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,640 You know, if something would have happened to me, I should be 1704 01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,080 able to sue the hell out of those people because I should 1705 01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:04,720 have never even been around those people. 1706 01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,160 I should have been at some Pensacola camp in Florida just 1707 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,960 chilling around waiting to be able to talk to my family 1708 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,840 whenever I want to and FaceTime them like they do on these 1709 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,040 tablets. But I ain't getting none of 1710 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,320 that. I was constantly in the hole. 1711 01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:18,640 I was constantly getting screwed with. 1712 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,240 I was constantly being psychologically tortured by the 1713 01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,040 police. And they're saying that, hey, 1714 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,840 you know, screw you. We we're going to get you a 1715 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,960 child porn. We're going to say that we found 1716 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,640 hard drives in your cell, that you were holding this kind of 1717 01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,240 stuff just to screw with you. They did that to me this past 1718 01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,400 Thanksgiving. I lost my mind. 1719 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,120 I go, what, I could never do something like that. 1720 01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,280 And they come up to me on Thanksgiving and going, we're 1721 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,800 going to get you with this and laughing and joking and say, 1722 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,520 everybody, all the cops are saying that this kind of stuff's 1723 01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,960 going on, man, what's going on with you, blah, blah, blah, 1724 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,640 blah. And just, and then I go to the 1725 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:55,280 higher ups and I go, how, how can this be a thing? 1726 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,760 Like, how can you guys just falsely accuse people of stuff 1727 01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,280 like this? And they're like, oh man, 1728 01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,760 they're just screwing with you. And I go like, that's not 1729 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,720 screwing with somebody, especially when they've been 1730 01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:05,760 through what they've been through. 1731 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:12,160 Like that's just so messed up. So, so ridiculous. 1732 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,560 Yeah, it's really dark. Yeah. 1733 01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,800 Well, you've gotten advocated this program. 1734 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,360 You're always have an open door to come back and talk with me 1735 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,680 and and talk to the audience here. 1736 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,360 And, you know, we're not the biggest show in the world, but 1737 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,840 we've got some pretty dedicated people that have a lot of big 1738 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,080 hearts. And I think you think we're 1739 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,160 going to start writing some letters. 1740 01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,720 I think that's the thing, Pen to paper, we need to make this 1741 01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,360 thing move. This has got to stop. 1742 01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,520 And again, this it doesn't cost him anything. 1743 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,680 So like to see people, folks, if you're listening to this and you 1744 01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,440 have it in your heart, you need to write to your reps, 1745 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,320 especially if they're Republicans and you need to be 1746 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,160 right until Donald Trump. You can write to the White 1747 01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,240 House. You'll be, you'll find this kind 1748 01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,200 of amusing. I found letters, Joe, when I was 1749 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,960 working for the Bureau that had been written to the White House 1750 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,680 under George Bush and they were in files at the FBI had forever 1751 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:05,960 and they had nothing to do with anything. 1752 01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:07,160 They just had somebody's name in it. 1753 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,080 And it was a person that I might have been investigating. 1754 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,280 So I went looking for it and I found out that the White House 1755 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,880 would get letters and they would log them and they, you know, 1756 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,800 somebody writes a letter, it goes somewhere. 1757 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,000 So it has to be no emails, no bullshit Change.org nonsense, 1758 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,680 like legit piece of paper, stamp envelope, send these things off. 1759 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:26,880 Let's move the needle on this. This. 1760 01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,040 I don't think your story's over though, my friend. 1761 01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,880 I don't think it's over yet. And I hope not the pain. 1762 01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,200 It's not for selfish reasons either. 1763 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,240 Like I said, I met a lot of good guys in there who have been 1764 01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,800 there since the 80s and 90s in prison for crimes they did not 1765 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:46,600 commit. And I need my rights back. 1766 01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,920 I need my life back so I can fight for these men because 1767 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,080 they've been waiting. I only had to go through this 1768 01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,520 for four years. These guys have been going 1769 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,080 through this for 30 something years. 1770 01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,960 And that really hurts too because I made them promises. 1771 01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,400 I thought that I was going to get a pardon. 1772 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,160 I thought I was going to be able to go out and and hit the 1773 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,920 circuit and start traveling and speaking and fighting for these 1774 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,320 men and their families. And their families are begging 1775 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,160 me everyday, come on, are you going to help us? 1776 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:14,720 And I have that stress too. So please write, please get the 1777 01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,640 help we need. Please do whatever you can to 1778 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,320 reach the president, to reach, you know, the Secretary of 1779 01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,760 Defense, any of these individuals, the, the new head 1780 01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,960 of the VA, we need our lives back because I personally want 1781 01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:35,120 to help these guys get home. And that's my, that's my new 1782 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,360 goal. Yeah, what's the what's the new 1783 01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,280 social media? Now that you're back on, tell 1784 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,040 what it is so we can start building that following again. 1785 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,520 Let people have a chance to hear you. 1786 01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,960 Yeah, so on X it's at real Joe Biggs and that's just kind of 1787 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,120 like my main thing. The other stuff I just keep for 1788 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,600 just, you know, like friends and family. 1789 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,960 But as far as like, you know what I do out here, activism, 1790 01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,600 you know, journalism, things like that. 1791 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,640 That's why I stick to to X. So you can find me there, follow 1792 01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,800 me there and then go to freejoebiggs.com. 1793 01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,200 You can get kind of a more in depth story on my personal story 1794 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:12,360 and then also you can share it and help me and my family in any 1795 01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,440 way that you see fit. And we thank you for that. 1796 01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:18,480 We appreciate the opportunity to come in here and speak and to 1797 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:21,920 tell my side of what's going on and to speak about everything 1798 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,080 that I've been through and thank you for this opportunity. 1799 01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,960 Yeah, it's my pleasure. The link will be in the show 1800 01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,240 description below, folks. So it's in the notes and you 1801 01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:30,360 guys will find it right down there. 1802 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,120 And we'll tag the the social media handle as well. 1803 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:39,160 Biggs, Biggs, real Joe Biggs. All right, bud, thanks for 1804 01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,360 joining me today. I appreciate the. 1805 01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,400 I appreciate the time. Yeah, of course. 1806 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:43,240 Thank you. Let's. 1807 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,440 We're going to connect again when this thing is better 1808 01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:46,680 because I think it is going to get better. 1809 01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,480 All right, man, I thank you. You bet. 1810 01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,880 And that is our Sunday. Sit down with Joe Biggs, say a 1811 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,240 prayer for Joe today. Everybody needs a little bit of 1812 01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:58,800 help. And I think that you can tell 1813 01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,440 there's a lot of pain right there and there's some solutions 1814 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:03,560 that are well within the grasp of our political elite. 1815 01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,920 So I hope that people like Donald Trump hear that plea and 1816 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,640 from your from your hearts to God, from God down to inspire 1817 01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,960 the man leading this country would cost him very little. 1818 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:17,240 And I'd like to see it happen. And one father just looking out 1819 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:18,560 for another father out there in the world. 1820 01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,840 Thanks for joining us. I really do appreciate you guys 1821 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,320 being part of the program. 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