1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistle blower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,480 American patriot prepared to embrace the uncomfortable truth 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,880 because this program has no time for comforting lies. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,160 Here is civil liberties enthusiasts, Second Amendment 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,760 defender and recovering FBI agent Kyle Seraphin. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,000 Well, hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle Seraphin 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Show. Today is Wednesday, it is 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,400 September 11th, a fateful day that many of us will remember 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,400 about 23 years ago. About this time, maybe a little 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,440 bit later in the day, maybe another 20 or 30 minutes. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,360 I recall sitting in Oklahoma and the the ground floor of my 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,720 college dorm room and getting that call from my mother to turn 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,520 on the television and start watching horrific events that 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,760 unfolded in this country. And we are a long ways from it. 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,760 I think it's probably fitting today, although we didn't plan 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,480 it this way, We have a guest, his name is Jeremy Ryan Slate. 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,080 We're going to be talking about propaganda. 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,800 We're going to be talking about the historical analogs for this 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,519 time in America and I think it'll be quite interesting think 20 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:06,560 we've got a lot that we can cover as far as ground. 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,760 So I look forward to talking to our guests. 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,400 Before we do that, let's go ahead and say thanks to my 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,640 friends over at Catholic Vote who support us, who keep this 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,440 program independent, punching the mic. 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,280 It is faith, family and freedom. 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Jeremy, good morning. 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,040 Hey man, thanks for having me. I know I've had the pleasure of 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,320 having you on my show a couple times, so I appreciate coming 39 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,920 back this way, man. Yeah, indeed. 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,800 So let me just throw this on the screen real quick so people can 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,960 see it. This is a book that you've 42 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,160 written called Command Your Brand, that you're the CEO of 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,320 this media company. And if people want to follow you 44 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,600 on Twitter, let's put it right up front for our Twitter 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,720 watchers. Jeremy Ryan Slate is his his 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,280 handle. And let's get into who you are 47 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,640 as a person, my friend, because we've had a couple conversations 48 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,800 on your end, but not on my here. I'm one of those people that 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,200 wins Jeopardy in the privacy of my own home 'cause I have so 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,320 much useless knowledge inside my head that until the last couple 51 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,960 years didn't really matter. So I live in, in northwest New 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Jersey and it's kind of like, I don't know, it's like the 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,840 Appalachia of New Jersey where I live, You know, there's no cell 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,000 phone service anything like that. 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,480 We, we heat our house with firewood. 56 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,000 We have a couple dozen chickens out here. 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,760 And I was somebody that I studied the Roman Empire in 58 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,000 school. I was always very, very 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,680 interested in it. And I got out with my, my 60 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,000 master's degree in, in 2011. And I do what anyone with a job 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,200 in the Roman Empire does. I started teaching theology at a 62 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,000 Catholic school. So there we go that, that it 63 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,120 makes so much sense, right? It does. 64 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,640 And in, in 2012, my mom ended up having a, a bad stroke and it 65 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,720 sent me through a lot of different things that led me to 66 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,120 starting this media company in, in 2015. 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,160 And I have a a wife, 3 beautiful daughters, and we're just trying 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,240 to make an impact out there, man. 69 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,880 We have the same situation with having daughters. 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,200 I told my wife we were going to have sons, which is why I have 71 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,200 daughters. I'm looking over here at our 72 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,720 feed because we had an issue on Rumble. 73 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,320 So give me just one second because I'm going to make sure 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,360 it reconnects. Sometimes Rumble decides to 75 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,720 disagree with us after agreeing with us right up front. 76 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,720 So let's just make sure this data is sending through here. 77 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,520 There it is streaming. OK, folks, if you're watching 78 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,000 us, the best is this. Jeremy every single time 79 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,360 something goes wrong, which is maybe like one in 25 streams, my 80 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,960 my audience always assumes the FBI is screwing with me and 81 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,760 there's a band. Outside of my house I I've been 82 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,120 probably sure. They're probably not far off 83 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,440 though, man. It's always a possibility, 84 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,280 although I've never seen sort of like a, an information op that 85 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,760 involved data interruption. What I have seen is obviously 86 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,360 spying on people and sitting outside and doing that or doing 87 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,200 a collection on it. So I was part of that. 88 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,440 All right, so now folks who if you're just joining us from 89 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Rumble, you missed out on an interesting intro and you'll 90 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,600 have to go back and watch it again and we'll reel about it 91 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,040 properly. But everybody else, let's 92 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,280 continue on you. You taught at a Catholic. 93 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,840 Was it a Catholic High School? Is that what you said? 94 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,880 I taught a Catholic High School. I taught sophomores, by the way, 95 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,400 and I'm a couple years away from 40, So you can imagine that like 96 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,600 my early 20s that I looked like I was in high school. 97 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,040 So who's? Kind of passed for it if you got 98 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,760 rid of the muster. What's that if you got? 99 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,040 If you got rid of the stash you could still probably pass for 100 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,760 20. One, I don't have facial hair 101 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,040 that grows anywhere else in my face. 102 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Man, this is it. That's sort of like that. 103 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,240 I we just watched 21 Jump St. the other day. 104 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Or the, the, the crappy movie that what was it? 105 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,040 Seth? What's that guy's name? 106 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,000 It doesn't make a difference. Channam Tatum did it, Channing 107 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,120 Tatum and it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. 108 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Like it's a horrible premise. And they don't look like high 109 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,240 schoolers at all, at least not the way that I remember it. 110 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,280 But I had the same experience on my surveillance team at one 111 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,880 point in time where the guys were looking at me and I had 112 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,920 this beard, you know, and they're like, how can you see 113 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,640 that far away? And I was like, oh, my eyes are 114 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,440 20 years younger than yours. And they're like, what? 115 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,240 And so I shaved like, you know, the next day I go in and they're 116 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,960 like, oh, my God, you look like you're about 24. 117 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,800 And, and I was almost 40 as well. 118 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,960 So I appreciate that. Let's talk about what made you 119 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,880 study the Roman Empire. Why did you go get a master's 120 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,280 degree? And you specifically were 121 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:10,920 interested, it sounded like, in propaganda. 122 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,600 How did that come about? So I was absolutely obsessed in 123 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,480 undergrad with Alexander the Great. 124 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,880 I had a really great professor and I think frankly, a lot of us 125 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,320 are lacking great teachers in our life. 126 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,880 And, and the thing that was cool about this guy is he, he made 127 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,800 history a narrative like something you could follow 128 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,680 along. And I find that history people 129 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,320 often times are, they're too much of the detail, they're too 130 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,920 pedantic. And to me, it made history very 131 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,160 real. And if you see my office now, I 132 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,760 look very crazy as I have a bust of Alexander the Great at my 133 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,640 desk. I actually proposed to my wife 134 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,720 in, in Athens back in, in 2013. So I was very into Alexander the 135 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Great. I have all these books on my 136 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,680 shelf relating to him as well. And I read this one obscure 137 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,200 article by a Jesuit priest, Father Cuthbert Leyti was his 138 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,200 name that was written around the turn of the century. 139 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,600 And he writes this weird article that after that, after the 140 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,520 battle of Actium in 31 BC, after Augusta speech, Mark Antony, he 141 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,040 goes from Actium, which is in eastern Greece, to the city of 142 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,240 Alexandria in northern Egypt. And he prays before the 143 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,720 sarcophagus of Alexander the Great. 144 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,160 And I'm like, wow, that's really strange. 145 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,760 And Alexander had been dead in about 300 years at this point in 146 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,800 time. But he goes and prays before the 147 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,960 sarcophagus. And it sent me down this journey 148 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,080 of figuring out why was he doing this. 149 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,600 It was a very strange thing. And what I realized is Augustus 150 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,520 had realized if he was going to achieve the type of power he 151 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,480 wanted to achieve, he had to create ruler worship. 152 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,160 And Alexander was very good at taking the religion of the East 153 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,280 from from Babylon and mixing it with the way Greeks and 154 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,200 Macedonians looked at divinity. And because of that, he created 155 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,120 this incredible worship cult throughout the empire. 156 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,800 So when Augustus saw this, he, he realized he had to pattern 157 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,960 himself off of this guy. And actually, that's what my 158 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,280 graduate thesis ended up being on. 159 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,600 I wrote over 100 pages on on ruler worship. 160 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,960 So to me, I think it's very interesting to realize though 161 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,360 our politicians and people have quote UN quote changed and 162 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,480 civilized in some ways, they use a lot of the exact same types of 163 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,480 propaganda to control us. Just, you know, nobody's 164 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,200 offering offerings to Joe Biden on his birthday, hopefully. 165 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,600 Hopefully not, although the media seems to be some version 166 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,560 thereof. So the idea of a cult of 167 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,840 personality, your trace at least back to to ancient Greece is 168 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,600 what we're saying. And I probably even went back 169 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,400 further because I've been. Tracing back to Babylon before 170 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,520 that, because the the Babylonians had this, this 171 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,720 process called pro schnesis. And pro Schnesis wasn't just 172 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,880 kneeling before a a ruler, it was actually laying your entire 173 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,200 body on the ground because you weren't able to even look at 174 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,520 him. And that's the major thing that 175 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,240 Alexander starts having Macedonians do. 176 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,960 And they're kind of like, well, I grew up with you. 177 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,960 This is kind of weird, but it's a becomes a very acceptable 178 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,600 process by the people actually being ruled by Alexander, not 179 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,920 by, you know, his companions. What does that do to the people 180 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,640 in the civilization that have this ruler? 181 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,000 What does it do to their mindset? 182 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,160 What does it do to the way that they look at their ruler, you 183 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,360 know, as a as a figurehead? I think it comes down to agency 184 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,880 because what what ends up happening is a lot of us realize 185 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,880 we don't have, they realize they don't have agency because 186 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,160 everything is dependent on what this person is going to do. 187 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,400 And if you even look at how Augustus becomes the first 188 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,440 emperor of the Roman Empire, Rome is three things. 189 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,800 It's a Kingdom, then it's a republican, then it's an empire. 190 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:36,280 And Augustus is the last character of the Republic phase 191 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,679 in the first character of the empire phase. 192 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,720 And Rome had literally been through about 100 years of civil 193 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,880 war leading up to this. So the people are very beat up 194 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,120 and they just want peace. And Augustus brings them peace. 195 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,800 And he's a brilliant guy because what he actually threatens to do 196 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,440 is retire. And they think if there's going 197 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,080 to be retirement, we're going to go back to a time of civil war. 198 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,440 So they actually demand that Augustus stay in place and rule 199 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,160 them. Now, he won't take the title of 200 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,440 emperor right away. He's going to take this title 201 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,280 idle of print caps or first Citizen. 202 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,440 So he's going to leave everything in place. 203 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,400 The Senate's in place. The political offices were 204 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,280 trying something called the courses of anorum are still in 205 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,200 place and they're still consoles that are elected every single 206 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,000 year. But now there's this new office 207 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,000 ahead of the Senate called the print caps or the Prince. 208 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,040 It's where we got our word Prince from and he'll take the 209 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,320 word imperator later on, which is which is the victorious 210 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,400 general. It's where we got our word 211 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,240 emperor from. But literally he threatens to 212 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,760 retire knowing that the people see peace when they see him. 213 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,840 So it really is creating this idea of people cannot function 214 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,720 or do not have agency without this person. 215 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,240 And Augustus lives into his 70s. And I think that's what's really 216 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,240 important as well, because the further away people get from 217 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,880 freedom, the easier it is to then bring them into the next 218 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,600 thing. So the transition to really 219 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,840 becoming an empire is is is a really easy thing. 220 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,000 And I think you could say that too about a lot of the political 221 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,640 situations that we've had here. If you look at, you know, the 222 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,280 further we get away from the Progressive Era of 1913 being a 223 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,720 very pivotal year where we lose, we get the Federal Reserve, we 224 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,080 get income tax, and we also lose the 17th Amendment. 225 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Well, the further you get away from how that Republic 226 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,240 functioned, people don't remember what that was like. 227 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,400 They don't remember money actually being worth was 228 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,120 supposed to be worth and things like that. 229 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,760 And I think it becomes very easy to control people in that way. 230 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,680 How long or how many people do you think are out there looking 231 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,160 at 1913 as one of those fatal wounds that it took us 100 years 232 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,600 to realize? I don't know. 233 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,800 And I feel like it's one of those things that if you say it, 234 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,560 they're like, oh, you're one of those crazy conspiracy 235 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:39,760 theorists. And I'm like, no, I actually 236 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,200 just read history. And I'm like, well, that's kind 237 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,640 of strange. Well, and the fact is, is that 238 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,320 we had a really neat system. We had founders that were 239 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,960 educated in the same sort of way that you were. 240 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 They looked at the same sort of historical analogs and tried to 241 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,920 build a system that was going to be superior and try to head off 242 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,400 those those human problems that we all kind of interact with. 243 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,440 The sort of the three problems of utopia always end up being, 244 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,040 you know, there's either an imperfect land, there's an 245 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,640 imperfect people, or there's an imperfect system. 246 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,480 And they tried to do all the things they could do. 247 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,400 And then you realize, like then we just cut the legs out. 248 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,120 For me, that really brilliant system. 249 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,600 In 1913, the direct election of of senators was was at the 17th. 250 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,720 17th amendment yes, and 16th Amendment was income tax. 251 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,280 So you end up giving the federal, the federal 252 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,520 authorities, all the things that the, the anti federalist 253 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,280 basically fought tooth and nail to, to keep from them. 254 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,600 So we, we gave it all up and then nobody noticed it. 255 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,840 But it took a long time and obviously we're there now. 256 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,040 And, and you get to a point where people don't remember it 257 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,200 being any different. So why would they demand 258 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,920 something that's different than their reality? 259 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,760 And I think that's Ronald Reagan had always said that, you know, 260 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,280 freedom is never more than generation away because you you 261 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,840 don't have to get that far away before there's no one that 262 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,840 remembers how it used to be. I think that is critical. 263 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,960 And it's very interesting to think that Augustus did that 264 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,720 exact same thing, basically outlived it in his own time, to 265 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,000 be able to make people demand something that they, you know, 266 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,720 one generation earlier would have fought against. 267 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,960 Well, it's and as it's the thing that's interesting as well. 268 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,080 And I think this actually coincides a lot with our, our 269 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,800 War on Terror, if you want to look at it that way, the Punic 270 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,680 wars, which are around the 2nd century BC. 271 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,840 Rome really militarizes during this time period and everything 272 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,640 in their society becomes about winning these wars. 273 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,240 In fact, there's a politician, Cato the Elder, who after every 274 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,240 speech will end every speech with Carthago Delenda S or 275 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Carthage must be destroyed. So the entire society military 276 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,560 to rises against the Carthaginians. 277 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,160 And because of that they start to change the rules on political 278 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,040 offices, they start to change the rules on what we can do 279 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,520 around term limits. And then it becomes very easy 280 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,040 that once that war is over, well, the politicians want to 281 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,080 function the same way and they want to continue to give 282 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,280 themselves a lot of power. And that is how a Republic falls 283 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,880 apart. Let's talk about that in terms 284 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,000 of the War on Terror, because I think that is a really, really 285 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,760 pivotal thing, especially today, today being September 11th. 286 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,280 How do you see that line up? Is it 1 to one? 287 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,600 Is it similar techniques? Do you think that the 288 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,680 politicians that were involved in and what they were doing, the 289 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:10,480 George Bush types, the Dick Cheney's saw this as a as a 290 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,360 blueprint or is this just the way that human beings always 291 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,440 kind of handle this sort of thing? 292 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,680 That's tough, man, because I think there's there's certain 293 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:19,040 aspects of it, especially look at the Patriot Act that they had 294 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,200 tried to pass years before. Unless you get the right 295 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,440 emergency, you can't do it. So I think there's that part of 296 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,280 it where the the powers of the state have always wanted to have 297 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,480 that power. But I think as well, you look at 298 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,400 somebody like George Bush and one of my my favorite writers, a 299 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,000 guy named Jim Marrs calls George Bush a post hurdle. 300 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,000 You know, he's he's he got up on top of that fence post and he 301 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,920 didn't get there by himself. And you really just want to help 302 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,720 the poor creature down that he's somebody that I don't know that 303 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,000 George Bush really was actually running anything at all. 304 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,880 I think it was more about somebody like Dick Cheney. 305 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,240 And Dick Cheney scares the hell out of me. 306 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,840 And I think that's why you even look at him shouldering up with 307 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,880 somebody like Kamala Harris. Well, that tells you a lot about 308 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,880 who she is. Dick Cheney is the establishment 309 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,000 state of power, and that establishment state of power 310 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,120 wants to continue to flow more power to itself, and it's going 311 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,880 to continue to look for different ways to do that. 312 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,000 So I think if you want to look at that in comparison with, you 313 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,720 know, how Rome didn't really have a standing army before the 314 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,120 Punic Wars, and then they start to have a standing army. 315 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,840 And then not long after the end of the Punic Wars, you have a 316 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,760 military reformer come in, this guy named Gaius Marius. 317 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,520 And they had been a limitation on holding Rome's highest 318 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,400 office, which is, which is called the console. 319 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,200 There's two every year because Romans don't want one person to 320 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,640 hold powers. They wanted to split it up. 321 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,120 You're supposed to have 10 years in between holding each 322 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,360 consulship. Marius holds the consulship 70 323 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,560 times or seven, I'm sorry, seven times for a total of 70 years. 324 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,800 And and what ends up happening is each time it's because of an 325 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,880 emergency. Well, first there's this tribe 326 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,680 called the Kimbri, and we need to raise a military force to 327 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,200 beat the Kimbri. And he hasn't done it yet. 328 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,680 So let's give him another consulship and let's give him 329 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,160 another consulship. Now there's this general named 330 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,600 Jagurtha, and we have to take out Jagurtha because this is an 331 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,800 emergency. Really need to handle it and the 332 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,960 thing that ends up happening after something like that is 333 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,480 terms of office don't matter anymore you're starting to see 334 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,960 the rule of law breakdown and you get to a guy like Sulla that 335 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,560 comes after him he creates this process called proscription 336 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,600 where he's actually putting his enemies names on a tablet in the 337 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,120 center of the city. And if you brought their head, 338 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,720 you would give a reward to Sulla. 339 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,240 And that creates upheaval. So you really see the rule of 340 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,840 law breakdown. Now, we're not having heads in 341 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,360 the streets. But, you know, we've had cancel 342 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,720 culture and things like that, which I think maybe we're a 343 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,280 little bit neater in how we, you know, kill people politically or 344 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,960 in the media and not actually do it. 345 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,160 So I think if you look at that, we're seeing kind of this 346 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,720 breakdown in the rule of law. Much have they saw in the late 347 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,040 Republic. Did we see that during the Red 348 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,160 Scare? You think in this country as 349 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,680 well as sort of the the original cancel culture where people 350 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,160 would be accused of being a communist or at the, and the 351 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,640 McCarthyism. I, I think you, you can very 352 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,200 much compare that to, to now as well, because you could compare 353 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,200 it to the, the whole Russia saga, right? 354 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,760 You know, if you are an agent of Putin, if you are this, you are 355 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,200 that, then, you know, you've been pushed out of polite 356 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,760 society. And I think you even look at 357 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,480 during the Red Scare, people couldn't get jobs in Hollywood 358 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,360 and all these different places. And, you know, you look at 359 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,600 people like Oppenheimer, you know, it's possible the guy 360 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,280 actually did have communist sympathies. 361 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,520 So you also wonder how much truth there was to some of that. 362 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Yeah, I guess that's, I mean there's almost always some truth 363 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,160 to it. The question is, is it 364 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,400 effective? I'm looking at the thing that's 365 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,640 going on with Tenant Media right now. 366 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,240 Are you following that at all? I was on tenant media back in 367 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,760 March. I did not get my rubles yet. 368 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,680 You're waiting on rubles still OK. 369 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,720 The, the thing that that kind of concerns me in that scenario is 370 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,000 that you can pay people and discredit them with your money 371 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,480 without ever changing what their opinion necessarily was. 372 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,560 And I haven't seen any argument that the DOJ has made that says 373 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,160 they were specifically tasked with fill in the blank messaging 374 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,320 and therefore they receive payment. 375 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,600 What they said is they receive payment and their messaging was 376 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,440 sympathetic, but it doesn't mean that they they change their mind 377 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,720 per SE. That I, I, I think that's an 378 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,960 important part of it, but I think, I think you actually 379 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,280 posted this by the way. I think the more important part 380 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,560 is who did that give them the opportunity to not have Fisa's 381 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,960 on? I think that's what it's 382 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,960 actually about because now you have the opportunity to, to jump 383 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,520 from, you know, Dave Rubin or Tim Pooler, any of these guys 384 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,280 and see, well, who were they talking to or who were they 385 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,720 texting with? And I think that's a really, 386 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,599 really, really important part of it is now you have the ability 387 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,000 to control the entire opposition. 388 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,160 That's a honeypot. And I, and I think as well 389 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,000 we've, we've seen that throughout history as well. 390 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,160 You can set people up like there's a revolt right before 391 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,760 Julius Caesar takes power in Rome called the the the 392 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,600 Saturninus revolt. And what ends up happening is 393 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,920 Caesar actually lets these guys off. 394 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,200 He doesn't want to put them to death. 395 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,480 And that actually ends up getting Caesar marked now 396 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,400 because now he has this guy named Kate of the younger. 397 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,720 We mentioned his famous relative earlier that his entire career, 398 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,760 no matter what Caesar does, he's going to try and block him, 399 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,680 whether it's right or wrong because he sees him as an agent 400 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,720 of Saturninus. And I think what starts to 401 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,440 happen is people start saying, well, we need to do these things 402 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,600 that are out of the ordinary because we're saving democracy 403 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,840 here, right? And that is, if you look at even 404 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,920 the career of Cato the Younger, much of what happens with Caesar 405 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,320 and much of what destroys the Republic is because of what Cato 406 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,000 the Younger did, to quote, UN quote, stop him because this is 407 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,840 an extraordinary time and we need to stop this person. 408 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,080 Is there a hedge against stuff like this? 409 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,440 Is there a way that you can kind of keep this human instinct to 410 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,320 keep repeating these patterns that we've seen throughout 411 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,880 history, whether it be Roman or even early American? 412 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,800 It's tough, man, because I think that the problem you get into is 413 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,040 people in power often times operate this way. 414 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,880 And I think the people that don't want to be in power 415 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,920 because they're too busy running a business or doing something 416 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,080 constructive in society don't want to have those political 417 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,760 positions. So I think that is kind of the 418 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,360 dangerous part of it. But I think as well it comes 419 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,920 down to actually knowing these things. 420 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,400 Because the biggest surprise to me in having these conversations 421 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,480 about the Roman Empire for the last year is that literally no 422 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,360 one knows it. And if you went back to the 423 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,880 17th, 18th and 19th century, like this would have been a 424 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,080 normal part of education. But really around the Industrial 425 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,640 Revolution, which coincides very well with the Progressive Era, 426 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,240 we saw education change dramatically. 427 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,800 Because what ends up happening is you need factory workers, you 428 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,480 need soldiers, you need people that are not going to be 429 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,080 thinking and just delivering the next thing that needs to get 430 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,360 done. So you lose rhetoric, you lose 431 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,320 ancient culture and history, and you just get down to the basics 432 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,800 of, well, how can I get someone to perform a factory job? 433 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,400 And we've never really come back from that in education. 434 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,520 If you look at literacy levels, we, we reached a high literacy 435 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,000 level around the 1920s and 30s and we've actually gone 436 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,080 downwards ever since. And there's a lot of different 437 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,760 studies on that that show that it's, it's dropped so much. 438 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,160 So I think the thing that's interesting is we don't want a 439 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,600 populist that can make decisions based on the information they 440 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,440 need to have, and we're just going to keep the information 441 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,480 from them. What do you think the change was 442 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,360 in the 1930s that had to start sliding down that literacy hill? 443 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,160 I think it's it starts earlier. Often times. 444 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,640 I think when we see the result of something, we see something 445 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,040 that started years before. I think so much of it has to do 446 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,280 with the Progressive Era. I put a lot of the things on the 447 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,960 shoulders of Woodrow Wilson. And I know people will say, you 448 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,280 know, the 19th Amendment and things like that. 449 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,240 I really don't care that much about that. 450 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,320 I kind of think we if we live here, we pay taxes. 451 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,760 We had the right to vote for different things. 452 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,400 But I think if you look at a lot of the different things that 453 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,880 happen in that era, specifically the Federal Reserve, the 17th 454 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Amendment and income tax, that's a really big thing because we 455 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,920 want people now that we can just milk for money we could just use 456 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,320 as human resources. And we don't want those human 457 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,800 resources to be educated and we don't want those human resources 458 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,040 to be able to get out of line. So what are we going to do? 459 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,280 We're going to keep them stupid. And I think that's the number 460 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,920 one thing you look at now. You'll see things with, you 461 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,680 know, the Rockefellers getting into the medical industry and 462 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,320 things like that, that compound that. 463 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,720 But I think if you really want to look at it, that progressive 464 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,400 time period, specifically under Woodrow Wilson is a lot of what 465 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,200 we're dealing with today. When we do these historical 466 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,680 overlays, we try to say, OK, you know, are we in this period of 467 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,840 that's very similar to what the Romans went through? 468 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,400 Is it very similar to what the Greeks did or, you know, the the 469 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,480 Dark ages or take your pick that you want to do an overlay? 470 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,120 I'm kind of interested right now. 471 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,120 And I was for for Full disclosure for people. 472 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,960 I studied Latin for six years. So my Latin is way in my 473 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 rearview mirror, but it was there and I was in the junior 474 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,480 classical league, so I was part of like. 475 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,360 A school guy too, because I studied it in fifth grade, 6th 476 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,920 grade, 7th grade, all the way through grad school. 477 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,800 Yeah, mine was fifth grade, about 6th grade, and then I took 478 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,280 a little break and then I did it in high school, so Jesuit 479 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,720 school, same sort of story there. 480 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,000 And what I don't remember thinking about was what were the 481 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,720 average Roman people about? You hear about the great 482 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,800 leaders, you hear about the people that are up there giving 483 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,960 the speeches. You heard about the people in 484 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,720 the Senate, the people that seize power, etcetera. 485 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,960 Generals, take your pick. What were the Roman people and 486 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,400 how similar are they to that sort of decline? 487 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,720 Did they have a decline in awareness and education? 488 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,640 Obviously they didn't have the media that we do today. 489 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,320 So literacy is never very high if you don't have money. 490 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,680 I think that's one thing you have to consider. 491 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,520 So if you weren't part of the the money classes in Rome, the 492 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,280 the, there's kind of two political parties in Rome. 493 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,880 There's what's called the populare's, which are people 494 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,960 that do things for the regular people of the populace and the 495 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,520 optimantes, the great ones. Those are typically people that 496 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,160 do things for the rich and powerful. 497 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 And if you even look at how Rome's voting system is broken 498 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,760 down, we call it a Republic, but it's not a Republic for 499 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,200 everyone, if that makes sense. It's really just a Republic for 500 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,720 those that already had money and power. 501 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,480 The voting system breaks down and it would take a lot more 502 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720 time to explain this. I would just, I recommend people 503 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,040 look this up and do some research. 504 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,400 But the voting method was called centuries and this lines with 505 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,160 how the army was put together. So basically it was supposed to 506 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,400 originally be groups of 100, but they don't really hold that 507 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,800 definition. And what ends up happening is 508 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,840 you would vote based on your political class or based on your 509 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,840 your rank and money class. And the highest classes held the 510 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,960 most votes. So they would always swing 511 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,200 things their way. The lowest classes typically 512 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,120 could not swing a vote because even if they all got together, 513 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,560 they didn't have enough in their century to actually vote for 514 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,840 that the way things were put together. 515 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,400 And So what ends up happening is we call the Republic, but it's 516 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,880 not a Republic for everyone. It really is an oligarchic 517 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,880 system through its entire extent. 518 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,120 So I think that's the thing you have to consider is when it 519 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,760 becomes an empire for the regular people, they wouldn't 520 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,280 wouldn't really have seen a change. 521 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,760 It wouldn't have been different for them. 522 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,080 It would have been pretty much the same system they've lived 523 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,560 through, you know, back since Rome had seven traditional kings 524 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,640 when it's founded in 753 BC. So I think that's the thing 525 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,280 that's interesting is when we talk about Rome's Republic and 526 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,280 Rome's empire and a lot of those different things, we don't 527 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,800 consider that typically it's only for the people that had 528 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,720 money and power. It's not really for the regular 529 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800 people do. You think that's any different 530 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,160 today? I don't think it's that much 531 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,120 different, you know, I don't think it's that much different 532 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:45,040 because the problem is your people at the highest level are 533 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,280 kind of just going in One Direction. 534 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,840 Do you know what I mean? Like they, they've, they've got 535 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,280 their Overton window and they're kind of sliding far in One 536 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,320 Direction. And for the rest of us, if we 537 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760 all get together and vote, whether that's accepted and 538 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,840 allowed to be right, like we, we saw what happened in the last 539 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,680 election. I, I just think voting's been 540 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,280 kind of a sham for a really long time, maybe since Kennedy. 541 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,520 And I think that's what you have to consider is how much control 542 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,680 we actually had and how long has it been since we've had control. 543 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,680 What do you think about the disruptive technology of the 544 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,360 Internet? Obviously you and I make money 545 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,280 doing that. This at this point that we have 546 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,680 this spread and this flow. Regular people can go back and 547 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720 find out what politicians said in the 90s, which you couldn't 548 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,800 do even probably 15 years ago, that wasn't an option for a 549 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,800 regular person to go do. How's that affect us? 550 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,160 Yes and no, because I just did an episode yesterday. 551 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,480 The guy named Daniel Turner is a company called Power of the 552 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,240 Future and he does a lot, a lot around alternative energy, which 553 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,280 is is really cool stuff. And the thing you run into and 554 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,400 I, I'm trying to prepare for this interview, I'm like, what 555 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,360 are the biggest false beliefs or conspiracy theories people have 556 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,880 around energy? Good luck finding it if you 557 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,320 don't actually possess that energy yourself. 558 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,760 That's what I ran into is it was very hard to actually find the 559 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,360 information I wanted to prepare for the interview. 560 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,280 So part of what we're running into is the information we need 561 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,000 to make a decision is being removed. 562 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,800 Now there's a positive side of that. 563 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,600 The positive side is places like where we are right now, which is 564 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,880 Rumble and also a lot of what's been happening on X. 565 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,080 So I still, I'm still not sure how much I trust Elon Musk is we 566 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,000 have the ability to have these open conversations and actually 567 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,960 talk about a lot of these things. 568 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,440 And I think when you look at whether it's the fall of Rome's 569 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,800 Republic or the the fall of its empire, people wouldn't have 570 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,720 known, right? They just would have been a 571 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,880 totally effective whatever's happening to them. 572 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760 I think we do have an ability now to be caused like we never 573 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,080 have in any time in history because of this free flow of 574 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,840 information. Now, that doesn't mean that 575 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,320 we're not continually fighting for our free speech everyday, 576 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,600 but we do have the ability to actually discuss these things 577 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,400 where for Romans, life would have just been happening to 578 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,400 them. Think that's fair? 579 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,640 I want to pivot into information OPS and propaganda and get a 580 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,120 definition on that. Before we do that, let me just 581 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,440 throw this up here. I'll give you a chance to take a 582 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,120 drink of coffee. Folks, if you want to support 583 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,040 our program, you can go to kyleseraphin.com. 584 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,760 That'll take you to our locals community. 585 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,920 You can sign up there as a subscriber or you can sign up as 586 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,960 a free member. Take your pick. 587 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,840 Make sure you guys check that out if you want to get involved 588 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,320 in our conversation tonight with another person who knows 589 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,080 something about information OPS. My buddy George Hill used to 590 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,960 work at the NSA. He was an FBI Intel analyst and 591 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,720 he worked in the military doing similar things. 592 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,200 So we're going to continue talking about it. 593 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Let's do a discussion about propaganda. 594 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,840 What is propaganda in? How do you define it? 595 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240 The propaganda is, is a tool that that's used in order to 596 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,080 control people's thought process, decisions and, and how 597 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,520 they get through their, their daily life. 598 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800 And I think the best propaganda is something that's often 599 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,200 controls people without them realizing it's propaganda. 600 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,560 And the thing you have to consider is in Rome, they don't 601 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,680 really have a press. You know, much of what you're 602 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,400 getting actually comes from the central power. 603 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,000 So you have to think about how do you control People's Daily 604 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,760 lives? And one of the number one things 605 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,840 that's used there's I've read a number of books about this is 606 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,080 about currency. Because if you think about the 607 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,040 money people use, they use it every single day and that is how 608 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,400 they're going to have an experience with you. 609 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,120 So if you want to look at during the empire period, you'd have 610 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,880 the heaven emperor on one side and maybe you'd have the symbol 611 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,480 of a God on the other side, or you'd have Rome's first emperor 612 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,160 Augustus on the other side. You can even get even further 613 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120 into it as many times that would be like a a sideways face often 614 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,920 like how our money is on on a coin. 615 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,120 But if the eyes are looking up, well, he's looking up to the 616 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,640 heavens and saying that the gods are are are more powerful than 617 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,880 him. If the eyes are looking forward, 618 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,360 well, he's saying that he himself is a God and he has more 619 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,240 power than regular people. So it gets to the level of the 620 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,960 money that you're using every single day without thinking 621 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,840 about it is something that is controlling how you look at 622 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,760 things. And you have to look at the 623 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,240 original purpose of money, especially in the Roman Empire, 624 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,360 is it was to pay the military. So the person whose face is on 625 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,200 that coin is now paying for your service. 626 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,800 So that's an important part as well. 627 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,320 Now another big thing or statues, and Augustus is really 628 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,320 the one since he's the the 1st of his kind that does this is he 629 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,120 covers the entire empire with statues of himself and he's only 630 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,480 ever about somewhere between 30 and 40 years old. 631 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,000 Though after he gets in his 50s and 60s, he's not a very healthy 632 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,120 man. They often were thinking 633 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,200 Augustus was going to die and who was going to come after 634 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,520 Augustus, but these statues always showed him as immortally 635 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,520 young. And I think that's what's 636 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080 interesting too. Something that Augustus does 637 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,160 too, which is brilliant is after his adopted father Julius Caesar 638 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,360 dies, he sees a comet go across the sky and he says, well, that 639 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,760 comet going across the sky, that's my adopted father going 640 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,960 to join the gods in heaven. And what does he do? 641 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960 He creates a worship cult to the divine Julius. 642 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,000 So if Julius is divine, I must have some divinity myself. 643 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,760 So they're often trying to tie themselves to divine beings in 644 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,240 order to do that. And I think you could see that a 645 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560 lot of how celebrity culture is now is people are tying 646 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,920 themselves to, you know, whether it's the Kardashians or this 647 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,160 person or that person, they're kind of creating this idea of 648 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,160 they are known by, liked by related to this group that you 649 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080 cannot reach. And I think that's the really 650 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,200 important thing is the separation, right? 651 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,240 Because when there's this idea of divinity in Rome, it's 652 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,600 something that can't be reached by the regular people. 653 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,560 But if their rulers can eventually reach it, they're 654 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,720 different and better than them. And I think that's often what we 655 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,000 see in a lot of our celebrity culture and even how politicians 656 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,360 use celebrity culture now. So we hear things now calling 657 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,320 thing the the sort of information OPS 5 GW, 5th 658 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,960 generation warfare. But this concept of trying to 659 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,880 use information to manipulate public opinion, that's been 660 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,640 going on. Forever. 661 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,320 Basically thousands of years. Yeah, and and it's and then you 662 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,760 just build a back story for it. Like you say the comic, it's 663 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,840 easy. Who can say otherwise, right? 664 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,320 Nobody. Can even if you want to look at 665 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,920 what Augustus does is the best documented time period we have 666 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:35,400 in Roman history is the 1st century BC and the 1st century 667 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,960 Adi. Don't do the the woke history 668 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,720 terms with BCE and CE by the way. 669 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,800 So so kind of that 100 years before Christ and the 100 years 670 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,320 after Christ are actually our best documented time period in 671 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,480 in Roman history. And the most of the reason why 672 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,960 is because a lot of the cultural programs are actually being paid 673 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,600 for by the Emperor Augustus. He's pays for the Aeneid, which 674 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,360 is one of the most famous written works of Roman history 675 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,480 to actually tie Romans to the Trojans. 676 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,960 He pays for so much of the poetry, like the works of Avid 677 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,520 and things that are done during this time period. 678 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,200 So, so much of the culture that's built is built on things 679 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960 he wants people to believe. And that's what you really have 680 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,480 to understand is that becomes a part then for the next 500 years 681 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,120 of Roman culture. I see this sort of analog right 682 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,080 now talking about that, where people believe the good things 683 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,480 come from the government. That seems like a very leftist 684 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,960 kind of thing. It's the opposite of what people 685 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,000 in America sort of used to think. 686 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,880 Where do you see that shift happening as you kind of look at 687 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,520 this, the sort of historical overlay on on on our American 688 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,320 system? When did people start thinking 689 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,240 that we had more of a king than an actual president who's 690 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,120 supposed to just execute the rules from the from the 691 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,000 legislature? Well, I, as I said, I think 692 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120 there's a shift around Wilson, but I think if you really want 693 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,200 to look at it, I think it's more around FDR, like #1 because we 694 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,280 don't get rid of a president during a time of war, right? 695 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,480 So we might as well keep the war going. 696 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,960 I think that's, that's important. 697 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520 And he serves well, almost serves 4 terms, which I think is 698 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,040 is quite interesting so. Many people have forgotten that, 699 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,320 too, that you talk about people not knowing the history of their 700 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,880 own, like, forget the Roman history. 701 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,480 Most people don't even know American history. 702 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,280 Yeah. And if you tell him, it's like, 703 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,040 look, the guy, the guy served till death. 704 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,360 He was president for life. Well, even a Wilder one, which 705 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,680 nobody talks about and then I'll get back to this is, is Gerald 706 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,920 Ford. You look at a guy like Gerald 707 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,840 Ford, he's on the Warren Commission, right? 708 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,440 You have Nixon in his re election campaign, has Spiro 709 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,240 Agnew as his VP. Spiro Agnew is removed for some 710 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,000 sort of a tax issue. He's replaced with Gerald Ford, 711 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920 who's the Senate Minority Leader, and then Nixon's removed 712 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,960 and Gerald Ford's president. Nobody voted for him. 713 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,160 Like, that's insane. But I guess getting back to, to, 714 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,240 to FDR, you even look at things like the, the public works 715 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,240 programs and a lot of different things, like so many of the 716 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,600 social programs we live with nowadays, including Social 717 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,800 Security came out of FDR. So if you want to look at the 718 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,920 system we have now, you know, someone like Woodrow Wilson is 719 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,600 more like your Julius Caesar character, someone that ends the 720 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,040 previous thing. And then you have someone like 721 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,840 FDR is more like your Augustus, the person that starts the next 722 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,320 thing. Because this is a different 723 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,120 system than we had previously. And that's why often times when 724 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,040 I'm having these conversations, people want to talk about the 725 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,440 fall of Rome's Republic. My opinion is Rome's America's 726 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,120 Republic fell a very long time ago and we've operated as 727 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,640 something else for for quite a long time. 728 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,680 I don't know if you want to call it a, an oligarchy or, or closer 729 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,480 to a monarchy or whatever it might be, but presidential power 730 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,440 has become supreme in this land. And that's why when I look at 731 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,280 where we are, Kyle, the thing that I'm most concerned about is 732 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,880 what's called Rome's 3rd century crisis, the time period right 733 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280 after the death of the son of Marcus Aurelius. 734 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,160 Commodus creates this time period, which basically you have 735 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,120 Roman generals declaring themselves in charge and their 736 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,360 armies are fighting each other. Whoever gets to be emperor. 737 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,320 There's no actual succession, and what ends up happening then 738 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,920 is they're debasing their currency because whoever has the 739 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,440 most currency could pay. Their army is the one that's got 740 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,120 the most power. So you have the silver coin by 741 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,000 the time you get to the two 70s is only about 4% silver, which 742 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,280 it had been closer to 100% at the beginning of the 3rd 743 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880 century. So you have currency and 744 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,880 inflation going wild by 284, you're at 15,000% inflation. 745 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,360 And in addition now because you need these these troops to, to, 746 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,600 to show your control, well, they start bringing in barbarian 747 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,440 troops to serve in the army. And those barbarian troops are 748 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,040 much of what turns on Rome for barbarian invasions. 749 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,960 They actually create their own problem through this immigration 750 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,440 gone wild in this, you know, military opportunism and totally 751 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,840 debasing their currency. To me, we're not there yet, but 752 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840 I think that's a direction that we're headed because our money 753 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,320 is not worth anything. It's not tied to anything. 754 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320 And we've had over 8 million people cross the southern 755 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,480 border, I guess. And if you watch the debate last 756 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,920 night, maybe as much as 11 in the last three years under 757 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,000 Biden. You know, and it seems 758 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,680 intentional too, or it just seems like the pattern that 759 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,880 human beings fall into. And I'm not 100% sure which it 760 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,160 is, but I, I do agree with you about that movement towards. 761 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,800 So is this the American Empire, Sage? 762 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,320 Could we just admit that the Republic is not really 763 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,040 functioning, at least not the way that it was designed? 764 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,040 And I think that's the interesting part, because you 765 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,880 look at what's happening with with Trump, that's a lot of like 766 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,320 what happened with Julius Caesar. 767 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,400 The difference is Caesar didn't lay down his military force. 768 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,199 He just entered Rome with it. Trump surrendered himself to the 769 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,560 to the legal forces, even though he may not have agreed with it. 770 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,679 So a lot of that is how the Republic fell. 771 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,000 And we kind of see the money class and the political class 772 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,760 playing out that whole thing. But I think it's really just a a 773 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,840 play for people to watch. I think the bigger problem is 774 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,320 we've been an empire for a very long time and we're doing what 775 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,440 empires do. We are, our wars of conquest 776 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,880 have ended quite a long time ago. 777 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,679 So now we're just trying to maintain what we have out there. 778 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,400 We spread our military thin. We're spending money we don't 779 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,080 have. And eventually, when you don't 780 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,960 have a currency and you don't have borders, you don't have a 781 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,320 country anymore. And if you look at how the Roman 782 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,760 Empire in the West falls, the East is going to last until 783 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,280 1453. But if you look at how the the 784 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,960 Roman Empire in the West falls, it eventually just transitions 785 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,480 to becoming the barbarian Kingdom. 786 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,480 There is no bawling and mashing of teeth and and flames of the 787 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,800 city. Sure there are barbarian 788 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,560 invasions throughout the the 3rd, 4th and 5th centuries, but 789 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,560 the way that that 476 date comes from is the Eastern Roman 790 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,760 Empire. Justinian tries to reunite the 791 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,640 empire with his general Belisarius through conquest and 792 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,960 they destroy what had become a barbarian Kingdom. 793 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Because the last emperors in the last 100 years are just propped 794 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,960 up by barbarian generals. They don't actually have any 795 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,760 control. We're talking about the the fall 796 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,720 from within, essentially internalizing your own enemy. 797 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,120 And we're seeing some pretty good analogs of that happening 798 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,280 right now, right? How how does that manifest in 799 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,400 sort of the cultural experience for the Romans? 800 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,240 Did they, did they notice that there was no more Rome that the 801 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,280 Roman culture has was essentially barbarian? 802 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,920 Is that part of the game? I I think the thing you have to 803 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,240 consider as well is Barbarians and Romans had lived together 804 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,320 for hundreds of years. And I think when you when we 805 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,520 think of Barbarians there, they're not the way they're 806 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,640 portrayed culturally. I think, yeah, Barbara is the 807 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,040 word for beard is where that comes from. 808 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,280 I saw you guys touching your beard there. 809 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,520 But if you even look at during the time of of Caesar, they're a 810 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640 lot more civilized than than people want to believe. 811 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,840 It's just the system is so dramatically different than 812 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,280 Romans that they call them Barbarians. 813 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,600 And a lot of what they do is raiding, but what they start to 814 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,080 actually settle within the empire because they want Roman 815 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,320 citizenship and they want the empire could provide for them. 816 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,960 And one of the big things in the empire as well as you have the 817 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,840 the social programs of the grain dole. 818 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,600 So these people are coming in and in two 12 Caracalla gives 819 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,760 about 30 million people citizenship that just live in 820 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,440 the Roman Empire, even though they're not citizens. 821 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,880 So now you have Barbarians and other people that are able to 822 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,640 actually get the social programs of Rome. 823 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,560 And if you also served in the military, you could get 824 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,880 citizenship. I mean, he had to do it for 20 825 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,960 or 30 years and not die. But you have a lot of these 826 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560 people certainly want to get the goodness of, of what Rome could 827 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,680 give them. And it starts to bankrupt the 828 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,920 state and starts to crush the state under its weight. 829 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,920 And if you look at people then taking the the money and the 830 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,960 currency and adding other medals to it in order to pay the 831 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,120 military. So the money's getting 832 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,600 destroyed. Well for regular people, they 833 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,520 would have for for a long time been working alongside different 834 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,400 tribes within the city of Rome that you would see as barbarian. 835 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,000 So for them just to to change the old boss for the new boss 836 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,560 isn't that big of a deal. Because if you even look at how 837 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,880 Alexander the Great controlled his empire, the Babylonian 838 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040 Empire was broke up into what's called satraps. 839 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,120 They were kind of like governors of areas. 840 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,480 He doesn't destroy that system. He just puts new places in in 841 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,200 new people that are his people and controlled those places. 842 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,280 It's going to be much of how the Roman Empire fades out. 843 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000 You're not going to have the system itself breakdown. 844 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960 You're just going to have Barbarians and other people 845 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,920 holding what are Roman positions of governors and pro consoles 846 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,720 and consoles and quasars. These positions aren't going to 847 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,880 go away. They're just going to be held in 848 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200 different ways and it's going to kind of fade into a barbarian 849 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880 system. It's like maybe having a Chinese 850 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,760 person on your City Council in San Francisco, or letting 851 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,000 illegal aliens take elected office even though theoretically 852 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,800 they shouldn't even have a right to be here kind of thing. 853 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,080 It's it's, it's incrementalism though. 854 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,360 It's incrementalism. It is. 855 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,400 And I think, I think that's the really interesting way in in 856 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,240 describing it is I think often times we want to look at how 857 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,320 empires fall and we want to look for these, you know, great 858 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200 cataclysmic events. But but very often it is more 859 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040 incremental than most. If you want to look at the most 860 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,280 famous work on The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by 861 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,080 Edward Gibbon, written in 1776, he cites over 200 different 862 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,760 reasons that the empire fell. It's so many gradual things that 863 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,640 you just need a little bit of political upheaval and it's just 864 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,080 going to, it's just going to take those things and exacerbate 865 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,920 them. And I think that's what you 866 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,000 really have to consider is there are so many different causes 867 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000 that contribute to the decline of an empire. 868 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,760 But I think once again, your two major ones are borders and 869 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,240 currency. And if you don't have those two 870 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:08,880 things, you do not have a a country or an empire of any 871 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,640 sort. And then we did both of those 872 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,280 things, yes, in fairly short order. 873 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,520 Yeah. Well, and I think that's what 874 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,880 you have to consider is currency as it loses value, right. 875 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,560 Like let let's say you have people coming into your country 876 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,320 illegally or in large numbers even legally, they're not 877 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,760 culturally from that place, right? 878 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,560 Like you go to Italy or you go to France because you want to go 879 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,960 to Italy or France or you know, you want to enjoy that culture. 880 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,640 Those cultures are dying away because of the borders aren't 881 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,400 really in existence anymore. So what starts to happen is 882 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,440 those people are in those places because of the currency they're 883 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,880 getting, right? And as the currency loses value 884 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,760 and as the currency loses premacy, well, they don't need 885 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,400 that system anymore. And that's why I think you have 886 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,920 to look at is when the currency is destroyed and the people that 887 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,640 are in that place are no longer from that place, well, they 888 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,120 don't need that system anymore, right? 889 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,520 So they can just build a new system. 890 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,240 And I think that's the direction you had eventually. 891 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,040 Let's do some looking into the crystal ball because there's a 892 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,640 lot of doomsayers right now. Are you optimistic? 893 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,480 Pessimistic. Where do you where do you sit 894 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920 when you look into the future? You got young kids like I do. 895 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,840 Yeah, I, I'm optimistic for reasons we talked about before. 896 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,080 And the reason is like #1 I think we're having in a 897 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,240 spiritual awakening in this country like we've never seen 898 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,000 before. The amount of friends that I 899 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,360 know that now go to church that couldn't have given, you know, 900 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,080 to, you know, what's a couple years ago is, is kind of 901 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,280 awesome. So I think that's one part of it 902 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,080 is we're starting to see a bit of awakening in this country 903 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,880 where people actually caring more about how they're leaving 904 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880 the place behind and what they're doing for the, the place 905 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,000 that they live in. I think the other part about it 906 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,680 is the free flow information we have the for so long we've kind 907 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,480 of lived in this simulation, I guess you want to say in a lot 908 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,840 of ways, not, not that I'm promoting simulation theory 909 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,000 here, but I'm saying we've lived in kind of this simulated 910 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,480 reality. And I think what you've seen now 911 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,280 is we've start to seen cracks in this and, and rumble is a huge 912 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,880 part of this and, and X is also a big part of this. 913 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,960 We can also have these conversations and even as well, 914 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,120 I don't know about you, but I know local communities to me 915 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,480 seem like they're starting to get together again. 916 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,400 And I think the pandemic was a big part of this. 917 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:15,280 To me. I think the pandemic was 918 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,360 supposed to be the acts that brings everything down. 919 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,560 But I think in actuality, it's the thing that opened our eyes, 920 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,320 right? It it showed us what's happening 921 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,800 in our schools. It brought people together 922 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,400 because they realize if you want to change in your local area, 923 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,520 wouldn't it involves your mayor, it involves your town council 924 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,760 and lost a lot of different things. 925 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400 So I think to me, and maybe this is just in my small bubble in, 926 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,760 in northern New Jersey, it seems like people care again. 927 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,800 And I think that's very, very important. 928 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,960 And there's people that I politically were on different 929 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,000 sides of the fence, but now we're in support of freedom. 930 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,800 And I think that's a really interesting thing of where we're 931 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,000 at in history. For Romans, things were just 932 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,360 fading out, man. They didn't have a different way 933 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,640 to communicate. They didn't have broad 934 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,840 communication. And I think if we ever lose 935 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,600 things like Rumble or we lose things like X, we are screwed. 936 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000 But I think we are in a point in history where something can 937 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,880 still be done about it because we have a freer flow of 938 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,120 communication than we had before. 939 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560 So the the American experience has been sort of this movement 940 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,320 of more and more centralization of power. 941 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,920 Would that be more or? Less, I would agree with that, 942 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,680 yes. And, and more or less 943 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,360 centralization of information because we've seen first it was 944 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,240 the universities, they were the ones that control the books. 945 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,040 That's where people went to go get the learning and get the 946 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,160 information. And then we had media companies 947 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,240 rise and they were the ones that were doling it back out. 948 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,000 So you'd get this educated class of journalists, whatever. 949 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,920 My dad was a journalist and calls them kind of like this 950 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,320 kind of dark priesthood where people think they get ordained 951 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,800 to give you the truth, which is obviously not the case. 952 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,600 And then we have this devolution right now that's happening where 953 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,440 it's getting balkanized, where we're, it's funny because the 954 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,440 Balkans were, you know, kind of a disaster. 955 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,400 And we use that word, but things are devolving back down to the 956 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,960 communal levels where it comes to talking to your neighbors, 957 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,560 like you talk about church communities and so on and sort 958 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,920 of micropolitics of sharing information, of looking in and 959 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,600 saying, Hey, you know, I know a little bit about this. 960 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,280 You're, you're interested in Rome and I was actually 961 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,040 interested in Greece. And oh, I lived overseas and 962 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,640 I've got this experience from being in Africa. 963 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,000 And we kind of put our heads together and realize there's 964 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,600 some better ways. And they've been out there that 965 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,480 didn't exist, maybe even a even 100 years ago. 966 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,000 That wasn't an opportunity. And that makes you feel 967 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,480 positive? I think so because if you, if 968 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,720 you look at it, you know, just once again, comparing it to the 969 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,960 to the fall of, of previous things, communication goes down 970 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,080 to the point that no one can talk about anything. 971 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,840 You know, you want to look at where things are at in Weimar 972 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,280 Germany. You want to look at even during 973 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,320 the First World War, the the alien and sedition acts are are 974 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,520 insane for the ability to communicate disappearing. 975 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,440 So I think that the fact that we can actually talk about it and 976 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,360 talking can lead to thinking, which can lead to doing. 977 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,360 I think that's the direction we're headed. 978 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,560 And I think it involves people getting involved in your 979 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,920 election board. It involves people getting 980 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,840 involved in your town because, you know, we federalized a lot 981 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,280 in this country, but I think people seem to forget we have a 982 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,280 10th amendment. And I think that's even if you 983 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,360 look at what what's happened with with the Roe V Wade 984 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,520 decision. Well, the the Supreme Court was 985 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,880 just looking at it and say, well, all powers not enumerated 986 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,800 to the federal government are relinquished to the states. 987 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,200 And that that's exactly what happened in in this situation. 988 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,760 So I think if it, what we're doing hopefully is getting less 989 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,280 federal and getting more back to having a 10th amendment in 990 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,440 states rights, because that is the only way you can make this 991 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,560 thing work. Because if you look at the 992 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080 structural integrity of the Roman Empire in in the 3rd 993 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,520 century, what starts to happen is the central power can't 994 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,720 control the whole thing now because it's gotten so big that 995 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,280 the job of an emperor just becomes with his army running 996 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,000 around the entire empire, his entire career and barely living 997 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,880 at Rome. So then you have a break off 998 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,840 empire in the West that happened, which is the Gallic 999 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,400 Empire. You have a break off empire in 1000 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,040 the east, which is the Pyran Empire. 1001 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,680 And then you have in the in the north you have these barbarian 1002 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,040 tribes coming down. Things break off when central 1003 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,960 power, you know, really can't control them. 1004 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,920 And I think what what ends up happening is if you look at our 1005 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,920 Constitution, the way it's put together, our founders thought 1006 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,360 of that. And they had smaller power 1007 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,560 sectors in states that could do things themselves. 1008 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,160 And I think if we get back to that and realize that the 1009 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,720 federal government isn't doing everything for us, we're, we're 1010 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,800 in good shape, man. But I think the problem once 1011 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,680 again is the people in power will do things that give 1012 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,240 themselves power. So I think it comes to getting 1013 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,960 them voted out. I think it comes to handling our 1014 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,600 law enforcement organizations. You know, you look at how the 1015 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880 FBICIADOJ, all these things have been weaponized against the 1016 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,600 American people. We need to get back to a place 1017 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,280 where the people are actually in control of their government. 1018 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,720 Was there a secret police or anything of the that sort that 1019 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,880 we could kind of draw some parallels to from the Roman 1020 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,680 Empire? The Praetorian Guard, I think 1021 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,400 oftentimes is looked at as kind of just being the protectors of 1022 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,880 emperors, but oftentimes they were public works. 1023 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,680 They were beast, the intelligence organization, they 1024 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,560 were actually in charge of how much grain people got as well. 1025 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,920 And if you look at in the Emperor Empire, there's 13 1026 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,320 different emperors that actually killed by the Praetorian Guard. 1027 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,840 They they often function as this power behind the power that 1028 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,760 steps out only when they don't like the way things are going. 1029 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,400 You know this guy Karakala, he's a little bit crazy, so we're 1030 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,840 going to kill him. Or this guy Caligula, he's a 1031 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,240 little bit crazy, so we're going to kill him. 1032 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,400 Now. If you read it, but if you read 1033 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,680 into these people more, right, like there's a lot of debauchery 1034 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,000 and things around a guy like Caligula, but you have to wonder 1035 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,960 often a lot of the actions he took looks like they were 1036 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,360 actually to embarrass the Senate. 1037 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,440 So so it's once a one of those things that you wonder, are 1038 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,280 there things missing in the history we're given? 1039 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,840 You know, are some of those things about him made-up to make 1040 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,880 him look bad? I don't know. 1041 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,200 But if you look historically, when the Senate or when the 1042 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,440 powered classes are upset, that is when an emperor dies and we 1043 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,680 then think badly about that person after the fact because 1044 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,440 the press is controlled. The idea of a deep state or an 1045 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,960 administrative state or sort of like an Intel community 1046 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,240 functioning in, in almost all governments, there were always 1047 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,320 people moving behind the throne because because it's never just 1048 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,360 vested. That's that's the one thing I 1049 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,600 always find funny in these movies. 1050 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,400 My wife and I, she's like, why do people even work for that 1051 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,840 guy? Like why is all these hench men 1052 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,240 running around doing this job? It's like, well, because it's 1053 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,680 simplified, because it's hard for us to grasp that there are 1054 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,920 these shadowy figures that are moving around and they're 1055 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,160 connected and they may not even know each other, but they have 1056 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,800 Co aligned interests. And so you don't have to 1057 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,160 actually have communication or covert comms. 1058 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,760 Everyone's like, oh, this is bad for me. 1059 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,800 I'm going to take actions, I'm going to pull these strings. 1060 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,800 And when 50 people that have all the money are pulling all the 1061 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,120 strings, they never had to call each other up and have a meeting 1062 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,040 or like a, you know, an X-Files style, like dark men in a in a 1063 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,120 dark room smoking cigarettes. They just know what they need, 1064 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,320 and if it means that somebody's going to have to die up front 1065 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,760 and we're going to have to discredit them, then that 1066 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,160 happens. It's been going on for, I guess, 1067 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,560 thousands of years. The the most powerful man in 1068 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,640 Rome is is what's called the Praetorian prefect. 1069 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,520 He's the guy that's in charge of the Praetorian guard. 1070 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,280 And if you want to look at where we are modernly, I've written 1071 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,800 some some X threads about this. I think you could compare him 1072 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,360 very that that post very well to someone like Barack Obama, 1073 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,440 right. If you look at Joe Biden's taken 1074 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,960 out of power and who's the last one to endorse Harris, that's 1075 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,600 Obama, right? Because does he actually think 1076 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,000 this coup is a thing? So I think very often in in any 1077 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,280 sort of political situation, there's a puppeteer behind the 1078 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,960 behind the scenes you don't know about. 1079 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,480 I think often times we think that by voting a person out of 1080 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,000 office or by changing political parties, we we change what's 1081 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,480 actually happening to us. But these power structures are 1082 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,840 set up in such a way that they're able to control things 1083 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,600 no matter who's in office. Yeah, that's the kingmaker role 1084 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,880 that people used to talk about a lot more. 1085 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,640 I don't hear that as much. That's sort of concept. 1086 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640 But it was a thing that if somebody endorsed you, you get 1087 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,360 to take the throne. You may not be able to be in 1088 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,440 charge of the throne, but you can sit on it. 1089 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,320 But you also wonder like how many things behind the scenes is 1090 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,200 this person doing, right? Like, you know, how many people 1091 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,520 did this person make sure got into Congress or how many things 1092 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,080 that are happening in Congress because this person selected 1093 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080 them and they got all the votes together what they might be. 1094 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,080 I don't think these things happen as organically as we want 1095 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,600 to believe. I do think there's a lot more 1096 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,920 control behind the scenes. Not that I believe everything is 1097 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,200 controlled opposition, but at the same time I do think there's 1098 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,640 a lot more control to it than we think. 1099 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,400 All right, let's look down the road. 1100 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,560 We got a couple different forks we could take probably as you 1101 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,400 kind of experienced the world you we've got November being one 1102 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,200 kind of inflection point possibility some break offs and 1103 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,840 then maybe 2028. How do you see not as maybe 1104 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,200 weigh them for me the way that you see these things going based 1105 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,160 on looking back in history and then looking forward to what 1106 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,240 might be in front of us? I don't think November matters 1107 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,960 as much as people want it to believe. 1108 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,240 I, I, it's, you know, I'm somebody that I, I like 1109 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,960 President Trump. I'm, I'm going to vote for him 1110 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,640 in November. But I think at the same time, it 1111 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,760 actually doesn't matter as much as people want to think it does. 1112 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,840 Sure, it's a consequential election and and Harris scares 1113 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,520 the crap out of me. That smug look last night, man, 1114 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,720 I just, I couldn't handle that. But I think that the bigger 1115 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,200 thing is getting back to organizing local communities 1116 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,240 because our, our government has to start functioning by 1117 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,920 constitution, which is not where we've been. 1118 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,640 So we have to take a look at getting involved in local 1119 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,400 communities and functioning more by the 10th Amendment. 1120 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,120 And unless that starts happening, we're in trouble. 1121 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,840 Now, I think if you want to look at how we fix the whole thing, I 1122 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,520 think the the person you actually want to look at is 1123 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,680 Constantine. Constantine is a very 1124 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,680 interesting individual. And if you look at somebody that 1125 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,600 would have lived during his time period, the thing they would 1126 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,120 often credit him with his currency, which is interesting 1127 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,040 because people say, well, he's the first Christian emperor 1128 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,400 since he's he's baptized. He's baptized on his deathbed. 1129 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,720 But the thing Constantine actually does, and it's a major 1130 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:30,200 reason that the Eastern Empire survived, is around 314 to 3:15, 1131 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,960 because our calendar is just a little bit different than 1132 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,920 theirs. In a city called Trier in 1133 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,360 Germany, he mints less than 100 gold coins. 1134 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,560 And then what he's going to start doing is as he's making 1135 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,680 the empire more Christian, he's going to start taking all the 1136 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,520 the Pagan gold monument gold statues and stuff and melting 1137 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,320 them down. And he's going to use those to 1138 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,960 mint more gold coins. Every single year. 1139 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,200 He's minting gold coins. Any time that they bring a new 1140 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,040 people into the empire, he's going to take their gold and 1141 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,560 he's going to make gold coins. So by the time you get to the 1142 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,160 when he died in the three 30's, the Eastern empire is on a gold 1143 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,360 standard and that gold standard is going to last from the three 1144 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,000 30s until the year 1000 without inflation at 24 karat gold 1145 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,840 piece, it's a 6.3g gold coin and it becomes a very standard form 1146 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,320 of coinage. Now, the problem that you have 1147 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,240 during in the Western Empire's crisis is because regular metals 1148 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,400 and coins were losing their value so fast, people start 1149 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,960 hoarding gold and not trading in it. 1150 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,480 The thing that Constantine does is he actually makes taxes 1151 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640 forced to be paid in gold. So now he's forcing gold into 1152 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,840 circulation. So then people start using gold 1153 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,240 in the marketplace more. So that is something that it's 1154 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,280 not done all at once because I think if you flipped our 1155 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,320 currency all at once, you would just destroy the system, right? 1156 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,360 Because we're so far over our skis, you have to think Rome was 1157 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,480 in a worse condition we are than we are. 1158 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,520 If they're at 15,000% inflation by 284, they're able to take 1159 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,480 that in over a 30 year period, Get the Eastern Empire on a gold 1160 00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,880 standard. Well, to me, I think that's 1161 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,360 something that I would have a lot of hope in. 1162 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,520 If we can handle our currency, we can handle a lot of things 1163 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,440 here, man. It's an interesting thing. 1164 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,600 I thought you were going to go with a spiritual aspect to it, 1165 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,720 but the money is far more. Well, no, because the the thing 1166 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,680 that Constantine does is like he starts like he starts favoring 1167 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,840 Christians in political positions because he has this 1168 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,560 conversion, but it doesn't really become a Christian empire 1169 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,840 until 370. So it takes a long time to get 1170 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,200 to that. But the thing he does, which is 1171 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,480 fully implemented by his death, is this gold standard. 1172 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,600 And I think if you look at that, currency is one of the big 1173 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,560 things that solves the country, because if you don't have 1174 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,080 currency and you don't have borders, you don't have a 1175 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,920 country do. You think our leaders knew that? 1176 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,680 Do you think they know that now with this lack of education that 1177 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,320 we have that's running across the rest of the country? 1178 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,640 I, you know, I highly doubt it. I, I highly doubt it because I, 1179 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,880 I just, I don't know, man, even as much as I, I like Donald 1180 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,000 Trump, I don't see him quoting, you know, rhetoric and things 1181 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,120 like that of, of Greek and Roman philosophers. 1182 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,520 I think we've lost so much of these things and even awareness 1183 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,960 of what has worked before in history. 1184 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,040 You know, I know Harris has talked about price controls. 1185 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,600 One of the things that she's going to do to fix things in 284 1186 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,320 Diocletian, who's the guy that actually fully divides the 1187 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,320 emperor between East and West. He does these famous reforms, 1188 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,600 one of which is a currency reform, which falls flat. 1189 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,480 Another thing is he he breaks up the empire into smaller pieces 1190 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,560 of called that are called diocese, which is actually still 1191 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,560 the word that the the Catholic Church uses today for it, for 1192 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,560 the divisions. And the other thing he does is 1193 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,360 price controls. Price controls fails so badly 1194 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,720 because what it ends up doing is it creates a black market now 1195 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,040 because, well, people don't just don't want to use your currency. 1196 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,880 They're just going to trade amongst themselves. 1197 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,160 And it drives inflation crazy because, well, now they're just 1198 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,360 going to devalue the money more because they want more coinage. 1199 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,960 So that's the problem you run into is, is these things have 1200 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,760 failed throughout history, whether it be, you know, 1201 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,440 Diocletians, price controls are the ones of Mao are the ones of 1202 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,480 Stalin. We do these things throughout 1203 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,600 history. Doesn't mean it's just going to 1204 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,880 work this time. But has it ever been properly 1205 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,000 tried? I hate that. 1206 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,920 Excuse me? I'm like, you know, communism 1207 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,920 has never worked, but it's going to work this time. 1208 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,640 Trust me. So one of the things that I did 1209 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,240 as a sort of a capstone, it was an undergrad capstone and an 1210 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:16,520 honors program was we looked at utopian works of literature and 1211 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,160 we analyzed them for what are the common elements of a utopia? 1212 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,040 And they're basically came down. I kind of mentioned earlier 1213 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,320 three things. You have to either have a 1214 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,360 perfect people, which doesn't exist. 1215 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,320 You have to have a perfect land with infinite resources and that 1216 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,120 doesn't exist. Or you have to have a perfect 1217 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,960 system of government that somehow compensates for the lack 1218 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,520 of resources or the lack of the people. 1219 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,320 And of course that doesn't exist either. 1220 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,640 And it seems like the the America had the best shot at all 1221 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,720 of it because they had a quote UN quote good and moral people, 1222 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,600 if we believe that. And it seems like that was more 1223 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,200 or less true previously and a pretty good system and a lot of 1224 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,040 natural resources. So they had a pretty much like 1225 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,840 the best of all three that you couldn't, you know, it was never 1226 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,360 going to be perfect. And we seem like we've lost a 1227 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,720 big chunk of a lot of those. Things, but it just goes back to 1228 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,200 the political classes, man, because that's the problem we 1229 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,800 always run into is the people that want to be in power 1230 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,960 shouldn't have it and the people that don't want to have power 1231 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,160 should have it right. Like I think that's, that's the 1232 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,960 problem we run into because we're too busy building 1233 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,160 businesses and raising families and adding value to society. 1234 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,160 And you look at somebody like Chuck Schumer, the guy has never 1235 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,440 held a job. And I, and I think that's the, 1236 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,400 the problem you run into with people that get into politics is 1237 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,040 they get into politics because they want power and they want 1238 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,640 invites to the dinners and they want to meet other famous people 1239 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,280 or we're too busy raising our families and adding value to 1240 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,680 society. And and feeding the chickens. 1241 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,840 Feed the chickens, man. I got two dozen of those little, 1242 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,360 little bastards. Are they the gateway to 1243 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,720 conspiracy thinking do you think? 1244 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,480 I don't know man and I run into this problem where every August 1245 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,640 and September they stop laying. So right now I'm getting no eggs 1246 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,520 out of my chickens. I've been barring them for my 1247 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,680 mother in law's chickens but I don't know why mine just stopped 1248 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,960 laying in September and August. So we're we're upset with them 1249 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,600 right now. Is that a normal thing that they 1250 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,680 go through these cycles for? Everybody has chickens that do 1251 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,480 that. You know, I don't really know. 1252 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,280 I just know mine tend to do it every October or every August 1253 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,360 and September when it gets real hot, they'll stop laying planned 1254 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,720 for a bit and we get to kind of the end of September, they just 1255 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,480 start laying again normally. So I don't know if it's just 1256 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,040 everybody's chickens or my chickens. 1257 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,640 I've had them for five or six years, but that's what ends up 1258 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,120 happening. We need to Crowdsource the 1259 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,480 answer to this quandary because that's a real problem. 1260 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,520 You can't have that. People, if you're people are 1261 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,200 saying yes in the chat, but I don't know what the yes means. 1262 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,480 If that's common, like let us know why. 1263 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,360 I need to know. We're not chicken scientists 1264 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,480 here. We're looking at the world and 1265 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,120 seeing the problems. I'm trying to think of a a kind 1266 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,600 of a final wrap up. You've got a lot of hope going 1267 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,080 in here. How much do you think the 1268 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,840 spiritual awakening is going to impact the political sphere? 1269 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,640 Is that something? Is one driving the other? 1270 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,760 Is is it bad politics makes people go back to church? 1271 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,040 I think that's tough because I think if you look at it, people 1272 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,720 that have seen, I think they, the pandemic's a good example of 1273 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,800 this, right? To see that much evil, there has 1274 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,160 to be good. And I think that's what I've 1275 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,320 ended up hearing from a lot of people is they've had spiritual 1276 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,600 awakenings. Because if it can be this bad, 1277 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,680 then to just think life is like this way is a little sad. 1278 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,760 There has to be something else. And I think that's what actually 1279 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,800 sends people into looking for something is when you truly see 1280 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,240 and truly experience evil, then you realize that there, there, 1281 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:14,520 there is an opposite of that. And that's good. 1282 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,280 And I think that's what tries people to to a spiritual 1283 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,440 awakening. I think that makes a lot of 1284 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,120 sense. Also. 1285 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,280 People can't believe that their life would be like this, and 1286 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,320 then they look into history and they realize that, yes, this has 1287 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,920 been happening over and over again. 1288 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,480 Even within our own country, we've run through some cycles. 1289 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,320 Yeah, and, and people are wearing WWJD bracelets. 1290 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,400 They're not wearing. They're not wearing. 1291 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,080 What would Thomas Hobbes do? Bracelets where life is a nasty 1292 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,000 British and short. That is very true. 1293 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,080 All right, Tell people what you guys do on your podcast. 1294 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,200 Obviously I've been a part of it, but give people kind of a 1295 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,080 sense of what you're about over there and what they can find if 1296 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,200 they can file you. Yeah, so I have the Jeremy Ryan 1297 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,320 Slate show. We talk about the events in 1298 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,360 history that you're not supposed to know about and a lot of the 1299 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,120 things even in popular culture you're not supposed to know 1300 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,400 about because there's other people out there handling 1301 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,280 politics. But I'm all about education 1302 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280 since I've had a teaching background and everything else. 1303 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,360 I also run a company called Command Your Brand and we are 1304 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,520 APR firm for the podcast industry and we are big about 1305 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,400 getting free speech out there. That's the number one reason I 1306 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,760 do what I do is to to educate. So it's the Jeremy Ryan Slate, 1307 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,600 Jeremy Ryan Slate show and our company is Command Your 1308 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,800 brand.com. How much time do you spend on X 1309 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,440 on a day? Because I put your link to your 1310 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,360 your ex profile in the description for folks. 1311 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,240 Way too much and my wife is often taking my phone away from 1312 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,680 me to to get me to do a little bit less. 1313 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,080 We share that experience too. Do you log on? 1314 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,680 Sunday Remember, you're not supposed to be using your 1315 00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,600 computer. That's exactly it though. 1316 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,520 I mean, and I have, I've actually started surrendering 1317 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,280 the account where I just don't touch it from Friday, sometime 1318 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,960 in the middle of the afternoon. I won't touch it until Sunday 1319 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,360 night when I know I've got to get back to work. 1320 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,080 What I what I started doing even too. 1321 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,520 So we we live on a lake so we take the kids to the to the 1322 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,480 beach in the lake a lot. I've started just leaving my 1323 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,600 phone home because I know if I have it, I'll end up checking it 1324 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,320 or using it. So it's I've gotten better at 1325 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,880 just like leaving my phone places. 1326 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,520 You're aspiring to that Gen. X life that I was born next to. 1327 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,080 That analog life is actually it's a pretty good thing. 1328 00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,720 Maybe that was when we were a proper country. 1329 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,240 Yeah, I don't know, man. Like I, I remember before cell 1330 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,440 phones, I remember before computers and all that because 1331 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,880 you got to remember I was born in the mid 80s. 1332 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,720 So like, I do remember a lot of that stuff. 1333 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,000 No, I was at that. I was at the beginning of the 1334 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,600 80s and I still connect more with people from the 70s than I 1335 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,880 do with people that were born in the 90s. 1336 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,320 She's that's kind of interesting because I feel like I connect 1337 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,120 more with people that are in your generation that I connect 1338 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,240 with people that are kind of like, I guess millennialist 1339 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,320 because I guess I'm on the edge of it. 1340 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,760 No, that's definitely the case. It, it comes from having analog 1341 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,840 experience, being able to unplug. 1342 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,760 Maybe it was a 8 bit Nintendo or something. 1343 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,920 But Jeremy, thanks so much for joining me this morning. 1344 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,320 I think that was probably interesting for folks. 1345 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,480 I hope you'll come back and we'll probably touch this again 1346 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,720 and maybe we'll see what happens in November and do it again. 1347 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,640 For that we can have a little bit more hope, depending on how 1348 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,840 it goes. Absolutely, man, I appreciate 1349 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,600 you having me and I just hope we can, you know, make this this 1350 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,520 country a better place because I I believe with you know, the 1351 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,320 right education and and kind of more of a spiritual awaken. 1352 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,240 I think we can do that. I think we can too. 1353 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,880 All right, have a wonderful day. Thanks so much for joining us. 1354 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,720 I'm going to wrap up over here with my folks. 1355 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,120 Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us for the 1356 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,920 program. I'm going to do a sponsor read 1357 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,800 that I don't always do, but I want to show you guys something. 1358 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,040 I grabbed it from my downstairs. 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You guys can do that for your 1368 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,400 Glock 43, your 43 X your 48 check them out. 1369 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,920 And then also their magazine base plates are pretty epic 1370 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,960 here. So I'll I can't show handguns on 1371 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,760 on YouTube, but I can't show you these. 1372 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,040 This is a + 2 over here in the silver and a + 5. 1373 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,440 You can really make these things do a do a serious capability and 1374 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,320 if you're not carrying a handgun that's going to keep your family 1375 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,120 safe and you live in a place where you think that might be 1376 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,080 necessary, especially if you're in an urban area, I highly 1377 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,880 encourage you guys to check them out. 1378 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,480 So again, it's shieldarms.com. Use the promo code Kyle. 1379 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,600 You can see some of their handguns and or their their 1380 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,080 firearms. If you guys go to Cabela's or 1381 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,400 Bass Pro, whatever, but buy them through the website, go direct 1382 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,200 and you'll get a better deal and you'll support a good company in 1383 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,000 Montana. It's for shooters by shooters 1384 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,040 and the guys who run the company and own the company are in fact 1385 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,320 shooters. Good stuff. 1386 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,320 OK, I've got a five star review for you guys today coming up 1387 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,840 here. This is from who is this DD 1388 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,600 Skatenay? I hope I said that correctly. 1389 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,040 The suspendables. You misspelled a little bit, but 1390 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,160 we're going to give you some grace. 1391 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,720 American Patriots 5 stars. I don't always agree with Kyle, 1392 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840 but I know when I listen to a show, regardless of party, I'm 1393 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,600 going to get 100% truth according to an actual patriot 1394 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,040 who's been an FBI agent who knows how the government works 1395 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,080 and honestly cares and loves our country. 1396 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,640 God bless Kyle Seraphin. Get some sleep Kyle and lose 1397 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,880 those bags. You know what? 1398 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,520 I do the best that I can do. I would like to lose the bags 1399 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,760 under my eyes, but I can't always do it. 1400 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,440 I've got a palate cleanse for you guys today. 1401 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,600 I know that was a little bit of a heavy historical lesson, so 1402 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,240 let's go to one of the other amusing people in the world out 1403 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,440 there, Jordan Peterson impersonators, not actual Jordan 1404 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,640 Peterson. Jordan Peterson impersonator. 1405 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,200 This is one of the funniest things that you guys will hear 1406 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,200 in a while. I think Jordan Peterson would 1407 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,720 like this too. I can't remember if we played it 1408 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,440 last night, but I'm playing it for you right now. 1409 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,800 You. Know having your own homes like 1410 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,440 having your own tortoise shell you can hide in it all day and 1411 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,520 never stick your head out. People say well what if you 1412 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,840 don't have your own tortoise shell? 1413 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,920 Well, there's no saving you. You're probably going to be 1414 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,400 mauled by hyenas. What if I don't live in Africa? 1415 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,800 There's no hyenas where I live. Well, it depends on what you 1416 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,600 mean by hyenas. Hyenas come in many forms Hyenas 1417 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,200 can be that one friend who's buy on bath salts and steals all 1418 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,360 your money to buy lingerie like Oh yeah that's a real confidant 1419 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,080 having a friend that betrays you like eating Chipotle for years 1420 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,320 and then dying of bacteria the 100th time you trusted the naked 1421 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,200 burrito bowl and it damn well killed you. 1422 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,560 Now the question is do you or do you not blame Mexico to be 1423 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,640 betrayed? Like making love to the Albanian 1424 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,280 woman of your dreams and then in the morning she rolls over and 1425 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,000 whispers in your ear I'm actually Estonian. 1426 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,360 What do you do then? Well as history shows you've 1427 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,240 been double crossed by all of Eastern Europe to be betrayed. 1428 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,840 Like having your pet panda bite your throat in your sleep. 1429 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,000 Here it is for years just eating bamboo. 1430 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,720 Now it has a taste for flesh. You may be asking what are you 1431 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,600 doing with a pet panda? None of your God damn business, 1432 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,040 bucko I. Have no idea what any of that 1433 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,000 means, but it did make me laugh because it's a pretty darn good 1434 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,720 impression of it. Guys, follow my guest today. 1435 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,640 His name is Jeremy Ryan Slate. SLATE and you can follow him on 1436 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,880 Twitter at Jeremy Ryan Slate or you can find him at 1437 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,040 jeremyryanslate.com. Makes it really easy, my kind of 1438 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,560 guy. Thanks so much for joining us 1439 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,080 for the program today. I hope that was edifying. 1440 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,200 I hope that was something that impart a little bit of knowledge 1441 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,400 and maybe a little bit of hope too. 1442 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,880 I feel the same way. Although this is an important 1443 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,560 election, I don't think it's going to bring it to our knees. 1444 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,960 I don't think that one way or another, this country is 1445 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,040 destroyed, that the Constitution is shredded. 1446 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,040 It's important. It's obviously something we want 1447 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,400 to see success in, but there have been some really, really 1448 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,680 wild times and I think looking back at history and realizing 1449 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,320 that other countries, other empires, other peoples have come 1450 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,440 back from a brink that was even worse than our own is worth 1451 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,240 knowing. Be careful with your panda 1452 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,520 ownership out there today. Once it gets a taste for flesh, 1453 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,240 it is all over. I have no idea what that means 1454 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,280 either. Thanks so much guys. 1455 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,920 We're going to be back tonight with the call in show on locals. 1456 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,480 It's locals. The local show is Kyle 1457 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,480 seraphin.com. Kyle seraphin.com. 1458 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,680 Join us over there and we'll see you this evening. 1459 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,160 Probably 8:30 Central Time is what we've been doing. 1460 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,520 Until then, God bless you. See you soon. 1461 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,280 Thanks for listening to the Kyle Seraphin Show streamed live 1462 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,320 weekdays on rumble.com/kyle Seraphin. 1463 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,600 Follow Kyle on Twitter, True Social and Instagram at Kyle 1464 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:34,320 Seraphin.