Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistle blower, an
American patriot prepared to embrace the uncomfortable truth
because this program has no time for comforting lies.
Here is civil liberties enthusiasts, Second Amendment
defender and recovering FBI agent Kyle Seraphin.
Well, hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle Seraphin
Show. Today is Wednesday, it is
September 11th, a fateful day that many of us will remember
about 23 years ago. About this time, maybe a little
bit later in the day, maybe another 20 or 30 minutes.
I recall sitting in Oklahoma and the the ground floor of my
college dorm room and getting that call from my mother to turn
on the television and start watching horrific events that
unfolded in this country. And we are a long ways from it.
I think it's probably fitting today, although we didn't plan
it this way, We have a guest, his name is Jeremy Ryan Slate.
We're going to be talking about propaganda.
We're going to be talking about the historical analogs for this
time in America and I think it'll be quite interesting think
we've got a lot that we can cover as far as ground.
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And here he is. Jeremy, good morning.
Hey man, thanks for having me. I know I've had the pleasure of
having you on my show a couple times, so I appreciate coming
back this way, man. Yeah, indeed.
So let me just throw this on the screen real quick so people can
see it. This is a book that you've
written called Command Your Brand, that you're the CEO of
this media company. And if people want to follow you
on Twitter, let's put it right up front for our Twitter
watchers. Jeremy Ryan Slate is his his
handle. And let's get into who you are
as a person, my friend, because we've had a couple conversations
on your end, but not on my here. I'm one of those people that
wins Jeopardy in the privacy of my own home 'cause I have so
much useless knowledge inside my head that until the last couple
years didn't really matter. So I live in, in northwest New
Jersey and it's kind of like, I don't know, it's like the
Appalachia of New Jersey where I live, You know, there's no cell
phone service anything like that.
We, we heat our house with firewood.
We have a couple dozen chickens out here.
And I was somebody that I studied the Roman Empire in
school. I was always very, very
interested in it. And I got out with my, my
master's degree in, in 2011. And I do what anyone with a job
in the Roman Empire does. I started teaching theology at a
Catholic school. So there we go that, that it
makes so much sense, right? It does.
And in, in 2012, my mom ended up having a, a bad stroke and it
sent me through a lot of different things that led me to
starting this media company in, in 2015.
And I have a a wife, 3 beautiful daughters, and we're just trying
to make an impact out there, man.
We have the same situation with having daughters.
I told my wife we were going to have sons, which is why I have
daughters. I'm looking over here at our
feed because we had an issue on Rumble.
So give me just one second because I'm going to make sure
it reconnects. Sometimes Rumble decides to
disagree with us after agreeing with us right up front.
So let's just make sure this data is sending through here.
There it is streaming. OK, folks, if you're watching
us, the best is this. Jeremy every single time
something goes wrong, which is maybe like one in 25 streams, my
my audience always assumes the FBI is screwing with me and
there's a band. Outside of my house I I've been
probably sure. They're probably not far off
though, man. It's always a possibility,
although I've never seen sort of like a, an information op that
involved data interruption. What I have seen is obviously
spying on people and sitting outside and doing that or doing
a collection on it. So I was part of that.
All right, so now folks who if you're just joining us from
Rumble, you missed out on an interesting intro and you'll
have to go back and watch it again and we'll reel about it
properly. But everybody else, let's
continue on you. You taught at a Catholic.
Was it a Catholic High School? Is that what you said?
I taught a Catholic High School. I taught sophomores, by the way,
and I'm a couple years away from 40, So you can imagine that like
my early 20s that I looked like I was in high school.
So who's? Kind of passed for it if you got
rid of the muster. What's that if you got?
If you got rid of the stash you could still probably pass for
20. One, I don't have facial hair
that grows anywhere else in my face.
Man, this is it. That's sort of like that.
I we just watched 21 Jump St. the other day.
Or the, the, the crappy movie that what was it?
Seth? What's that guy's name?
It doesn't make a difference. Channam Tatum did it, Channing
Tatum and it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible.
Like it's a horrible premise. And they don't look like high
schoolers at all, at least not the way that I remember it.
But I had the same experience on my surveillance team at one
point in time where the guys were looking at me and I had
this beard, you know, and they're like, how can you see
that far away? And I was like, oh, my eyes are
20 years younger than yours. And they're like, what?
And so I shaved like, you know, the next day I go in and they're
like, oh, my God, you look like you're about 24.
And, and I was almost 40 as well.
So I appreciate that. Let's talk about what made you
study the Roman Empire. Why did you go get a master's
degree? And you specifically were
interested, it sounded like, in propaganda.
How did that come about? So I was absolutely obsessed in
undergrad with Alexander the Great.
I had a really great professor and I think frankly, a lot of us
are lacking great teachers in our life.
And, and the thing that was cool about this guy is he, he made
history a narrative like something you could follow
along. And I find that history people
often times are, they're too much of the detail, they're too
pedantic. And to me, it made history very
real. And if you see my office now, I
look very crazy as I have a bust of Alexander the Great at my
desk. I actually proposed to my wife
in, in Athens back in, in 2013. So I was very into Alexander the
Great. I have all these books on my
shelf relating to him as well. And I read this one obscure
article by a Jesuit priest, Father Cuthbert Leyti was his
name that was written around the turn of the century.
And he writes this weird article that after that, after the
battle of Actium in 31 BC, after Augusta speech, Mark Antony, he
goes from Actium, which is in eastern Greece, to the city of
Alexandria in northern Egypt. And he prays before the
sarcophagus of Alexander the Great.
And I'm like, wow, that's really strange.
And Alexander had been dead in about 300 years at this point in
time. But he goes and prays before the
sarcophagus. And it sent me down this journey
of figuring out why was he doing this.
It was a very strange thing. And what I realized is Augustus
had realized if he was going to achieve the type of power he
wanted to achieve, he had to create ruler worship.
And Alexander was very good at taking the religion of the East
from from Babylon and mixing it with the way Greeks and
Macedonians looked at divinity. And because of that, he created
this incredible worship cult throughout the empire.
So when Augustus saw this, he, he realized he had to pattern
himself off of this guy. And actually, that's what my
graduate thesis ended up being on.
I wrote over 100 pages on on ruler worship.
So to me, I think it's very interesting to realize though
our politicians and people have quote UN quote changed and
civilized in some ways, they use a lot of the exact same types of
propaganda to control us. Just, you know, nobody's
offering offerings to Joe Biden on his birthday, hopefully.
Hopefully not, although the media seems to be some version
thereof. So the idea of a cult of
personality, your trace at least back to to ancient Greece is
what we're saying. And I probably even went back
further because I've been. Tracing back to Babylon before
that, because the the Babylonians had this, this
process called pro schnesis. And pro Schnesis wasn't just
kneeling before a a ruler, it was actually laying your entire
body on the ground because you weren't able to even look at
him. And that's the major thing that
Alexander starts having Macedonians do.
And they're kind of like, well, I grew up with you.
This is kind of weird, but it's a becomes a very acceptable
process by the people actually being ruled by Alexander, not
by, you know, his companions. What does that do to the people
in the civilization that have this ruler?
What does it do to their mindset?
What does it do to the way that they look at their ruler, you
know, as a as a figurehead? I think it comes down to agency
because what what ends up happening is a lot of us realize
we don't have, they realize they don't have agency because
everything is dependent on what this person is going to do.
And if you even look at how Augustus becomes the first
emperor of the Roman Empire, Rome is three things.
It's a Kingdom, then it's a republican, then it's an empire.
And Augustus is the last character of the Republic phase
in the first character of the empire phase.
And Rome had literally been through about 100 years of civil
war leading up to this. So the people are very beat up
and they just want peace. And Augustus brings them peace.
And he's a brilliant guy because what he actually threatens to do
is retire. And they think if there's going
to be retirement, we're going to go back to a time of civil war.
So they actually demand that Augustus stay in place and rule
them. Now, he won't take the title of
emperor right away. He's going to take this title
idle of print caps or first Citizen.
So he's going to leave everything in place.
The Senate's in place. The political offices were
trying something called the courses of anorum are still in
place and they're still consoles that are elected every single
year. But now there's this new office
ahead of the Senate called the print caps or the Prince.
It's where we got our word Prince from and he'll take the
word imperator later on, which is which is the victorious
general. It's where we got our word
emperor from. But literally he threatens to
retire knowing that the people see peace when they see him.
So it really is creating this idea of people cannot function
or do not have agency without this person.
And Augustus lives into his 70s. And I think that's what's really
important as well, because the further away people get from
freedom, the easier it is to then bring them into the next
thing. So the transition to really
becoming an empire is is is a really easy thing.
And I think you could say that too about a lot of the political
situations that we've had here. If you look at, you know, the
further we get away from the Progressive Era of 1913 being a
very pivotal year where we lose, we get the Federal Reserve, we
get income tax, and we also lose the 17th Amendment.
Well, the further you get away from how that Republic
functioned, people don't remember what that was like.
They don't remember money actually being worth was
supposed to be worth and things like that.
And I think it becomes very easy to control people in that way.
How long or how many people do you think are out there looking
at 1913 as one of those fatal wounds that it took us 100 years
to realize? I don't know.
And I feel like it's one of those things that if you say it,
they're like, oh, you're one of those crazy conspiracy
theorists. And I'm like, no, I actually
just read history. And I'm like, well, that's kind
of strange. Well, and the fact is, is that
we had a really neat system. We had founders that were
educated in the same sort of way that you were.
They looked at the same sort of historical analogs and tried to
build a system that was going to be superior and try to head off
those those human problems that we all kind of interact with.
The sort of the three problems of utopia always end up being,
you know, there's either an imperfect land, there's an
imperfect people, or there's an imperfect system.
And they tried to do all the things they could do.
And then you realize, like then we just cut the legs out.
For me, that really brilliant system.
In 1913, the direct election of of senators was was at the 17th.
17th amendment yes, and 16th Amendment was income tax.
So you end up giving the federal, the federal
authorities, all the things that the, the anti federalist
basically fought tooth and nail to, to keep from them.
So we, we gave it all up and then nobody noticed it.
But it took a long time and obviously we're there now.
And, and you get to a point where people don't remember it
being any different. So why would they demand
something that's different than their reality?
And I think that's Ronald Reagan had always said that, you know,
freedom is never more than generation away because you you
don't have to get that far away before there's no one that
remembers how it used to be. I think that is critical.
And it's very interesting to think that Augustus did that
exact same thing, basically outlived it in his own time, to
be able to make people demand something that they, you know,
one generation earlier would have fought against.
Well, it's and as it's the thing that's interesting as well.
And I think this actually coincides a lot with our, our
War on Terror, if you want to look at it that way, the Punic
wars, which are around the 2nd century BC.
Rome really militarizes during this time period and everything
in their society becomes about winning these wars.
In fact, there's a politician, Cato the Elder, who after every
speech will end every speech with Carthago Delenda S or
Carthage must be destroyed. So the entire society military
to rises against the Carthaginians.
And because of that they start to change the rules on political
offices, they start to change the rules on what we can do
around term limits. And then it becomes very easy
that once that war is over, well, the politicians want to
function the same way and they want to continue to give
themselves a lot of power. And that is how a Republic falls
apart. Let's talk about that in terms
of the War on Terror, because I think that is a really, really
pivotal thing, especially today, today being September 11th.
How do you see that line up? Is it 1 to one?
Is it similar techniques? Do you think that the
politicians that were involved in and what they were doing, the
George Bush types, the Dick Cheney's saw this as a as a
blueprint or is this just the way that human beings always
kind of handle this sort of thing?
That's tough, man, because I think there's there's certain
aspects of it, especially look at the Patriot Act that they had
tried to pass years before. Unless you get the right
emergency, you can't do it. So I think there's that part of
it where the the powers of the state have always wanted to have
that power. But I think as well, you look at
somebody like George Bush and one of my my favorite writers, a
guy named Jim Marrs calls George Bush a post hurdle.
You know, he's he's he got up on top of that fence post and he
didn't get there by himself. And you really just want to help
the poor creature down that he's somebody that I don't know that
George Bush really was actually running anything at all.
I think it was more about somebody like Dick Cheney.
And Dick Cheney scares the hell out of me.
And I think that's why you even look at him shouldering up with
somebody like Kamala Harris. Well, that tells you a lot about
who she is. Dick Cheney is the establishment
state of power, and that establishment state of power
wants to continue to flow more power to itself, and it's going
to continue to look for different ways to do that.
So I think if you want to look at that in comparison with, you
know, how Rome didn't really have a standing army before the
Punic Wars, and then they start to have a standing army.
And then not long after the end of the Punic Wars, you have a
military reformer come in, this guy named Gaius Marius.
And they had been a limitation on holding Rome's highest
office, which is, which is called the console.
There's two every year because Romans don't want one person to
hold powers. They wanted to split it up.
You're supposed to have 10 years in between holding each
consulship. Marius holds the consulship 70
times or seven, I'm sorry, seven times for a total of 70 years.
And and what ends up happening is each time it's because of an
emergency. Well, first there's this tribe
called the Kimbri, and we need to raise a military force to
beat the Kimbri. And he hasn't done it yet.
So let's give him another consulship and let's give him
another consulship. Now there's this general named
Jagurtha, and we have to take out Jagurtha because this is an
emergency. Really need to handle it and the
thing that ends up happening after something like that is
terms of office don't matter anymore you're starting to see
the rule of law breakdown and you get to a guy like Sulla that
comes after him he creates this process called proscription
where he's actually putting his enemies names on a tablet in the
center of the city. And if you brought their head,
you would give a reward to Sulla.
And that creates upheaval. So you really see the rule of
law breakdown. Now, we're not having heads in
the streets. But, you know, we've had cancel
culture and things like that, which I think maybe we're a
little bit neater in how we, you know, kill people politically or
in the media and not actually do it.
So I think if you look at that, we're seeing kind of this
breakdown in the rule of law. Much have they saw in the late
Republic. Did we see that during the Red
Scare? You think in this country as
well as sort of the the original cancel culture where people
would be accused of being a communist or at the, and the
McCarthyism. I, I think you, you can very
much compare that to, to now as well, because you could compare
it to the, the whole Russia saga, right?
You know, if you are an agent of Putin, if you are this, you are
that, then, you know, you've been pushed out of polite
society. And I think you even look at
during the Red Scare, people couldn't get jobs in Hollywood
and all these different places. And, you know, you look at
people like Oppenheimer, you know, it's possible the guy
actually did have communist sympathies.
So you also wonder how much truth there was to some of that.
Yeah, I guess that's, I mean there's almost always some truth
to it. The question is, is it
effective? I'm looking at the thing that's
going on with Tenant Media right now.
Are you following that at all? I was on tenant media back in
March. I did not get my rubles yet.
You're waiting on rubles still OK.
The, the thing that that kind of concerns me in that scenario is
that you can pay people and discredit them with your money
without ever changing what their opinion necessarily was.
And I haven't seen any argument that the DOJ has made that says
they were specifically tasked with fill in the blank messaging
and therefore they receive payment.
What they said is they receive payment and their messaging was
sympathetic, but it doesn't mean that they they change their mind
per SE. That I, I, I think that's an
important part of it, but I think, I think you actually
posted this by the way. I think the more important part
is who did that give them the opportunity to not have Fisa's
on? I think that's what it's
actually about because now you have the opportunity to, to jump
from, you know, Dave Rubin or Tim Pooler, any of these guys
and see, well, who were they talking to or who were they
texting with? And I think that's a really,
really, really important part of it is now you have the ability
to control the entire opposition.
That's a honeypot. And I, and I think as well
we've, we've seen that throughout history as well.
You can set people up like there's a revolt right before
Julius Caesar takes power in Rome called the the the
Saturninus revolt. And what ends up happening is
Caesar actually lets these guys off.
He doesn't want to put them to death.
And that actually ends up getting Caesar marked now
because now he has this guy named Kate of the younger.
We mentioned his famous relative earlier that his entire career,
no matter what Caesar does, he's going to try and block him,
whether it's right or wrong because he sees him as an agent
of Saturninus. And I think what starts to
happen is people start saying, well, we need to do these things
that are out of the ordinary because we're saving democracy
here, right? And that is, if you look at even
the career of Cato the Younger, much of what happens with Caesar
and much of what destroys the Republic is because of what Cato
the Younger did, to quote, UN quote, stop him because this is
an extraordinary time and we need to stop this person.
Is there a hedge against stuff like this?
Is there a way that you can kind of keep this human instinct to
keep repeating these patterns that we've seen throughout
history, whether it be Roman or even early American?
It's tough, man, because I think that the problem you get into is
people in power often times operate this way.
And I think the people that don't want to be in power
because they're too busy running a business or doing something
constructive in society don't want to have those political
positions. So I think that is kind of the
dangerous part of it. But I think as well it comes
down to actually knowing these things.
Because the biggest surprise to me in having these conversations
about the Roman Empire for the last year is that literally no
one knows it. And if you went back to the
17th, 18th and 19th century, like this would have been a
normal part of education. But really around the Industrial
Revolution, which coincides very well with the Progressive Era,
we saw education change dramatically.
Because what ends up happening is you need factory workers, you
need soldiers, you need people that are not going to be
thinking and just delivering the next thing that needs to get
done. So you lose rhetoric, you lose
ancient culture and history, and you just get down to the basics
of, well, how can I get someone to perform a factory job?
And we've never really come back from that in education.
If you look at literacy levels, we, we reached a high literacy
level around the 1920s and 30s and we've actually gone
downwards ever since. And there's a lot of different
studies on that that show that it's, it's dropped so much.
So I think the thing that's interesting is we don't want a
populist that can make decisions based on the information they
need to have, and we're just going to keep the information
from them. What do you think the change was
in the 1930s that had to start sliding down that literacy hill?
I think it's it starts earlier. Often times.
I think when we see the result of something, we see something
that started years before. I think so much of it has to do
with the Progressive Era. I put a lot of the things on the
shoulders of Woodrow Wilson. And I know people will say, you
know, the 19th Amendment and things like that.
I really don't care that much about that.
I kind of think we if we live here, we pay taxes.
We had the right to vote for different things.
But I think if you look at a lot of the different things that
happen in that era, specifically the Federal Reserve, the 17th
Amendment and income tax, that's a really big thing because we
want people now that we can just milk for money we could just use
as human resources. And we don't want those human
resources to be educated and we don't want those human resources
to be able to get out of line. So what are we going to do?
We're going to keep them stupid. And I think that's the number
one thing you look at now. You'll see things with, you
know, the Rockefellers getting into the medical industry and
things like that, that compound that.
But I think if you really want to look at it, that progressive
time period, specifically under Woodrow Wilson is a lot of what
we're dealing with today. When we do these historical
overlays, we try to say, OK, you know, are we in this period of
that's very similar to what the Romans went through?
Is it very similar to what the Greeks did or, you know, the the
Dark ages or take your pick that you want to do an overlay?
I'm kind of interested right now.
And I was for for Full disclosure for people.
I studied Latin for six years. So my Latin is way in my
rearview mirror, but it was there and I was in the junior
classical league, so I was part of like.
A school guy too, because I studied it in fifth grade, 6th
grade, 7th grade, all the way through grad school.
Yeah, mine was fifth grade, about 6th grade, and then I took
a little break and then I did it in high school, so Jesuit
school, same sort of story there.
And what I don't remember thinking about was what were the
average Roman people about? You hear about the great
leaders, you hear about the people that are up there giving
the speeches. You heard about the people in
the Senate, the people that seize power, etcetera.
Generals, take your pick. What were the Roman people and
how similar are they to that sort of decline?
Did they have a decline in awareness and education?
Obviously they didn't have the media that we do today.
So literacy is never very high if you don't have money.
I think that's one thing you have to consider.
So if you weren't part of the the money classes in Rome, the
the, there's kind of two political parties in Rome.
There's what's called the populare's, which are people
that do things for the regular people of the populace and the
optimantes, the great ones. Those are typically people that
do things for the rich and powerful.
And if you even look at how Rome's voting system is broken
down, we call it a Republic, but it's not a Republic for
everyone, if that makes sense. It's really just a Republic for
those that already had money and power.
The voting system breaks down and it would take a lot more
time to explain this. I would just, I recommend people
look this up and do some research.
But the voting method was called centuries and this lines with
how the army was put together. So basically it was supposed to
originally be groups of 100, but they don't really hold that
definition. And what ends up happening is
you would vote based on your political class or based on your
your rank and money class. And the highest classes held the
most votes. So they would always swing
things their way. The lowest classes typically
could not swing a vote because even if they all got together,
they didn't have enough in their century to actually vote for
that the way things were put together.
And So what ends up happening is we call the Republic, but it's
not a Republic for everyone. It really is an oligarchic
system through its entire extent.
So I think that's the thing you have to consider is when it
becomes an empire for the regular people, they wouldn't
wouldn't really have seen a change.
It wouldn't have been different for them.
It would have been pretty much the same system they've lived
through, you know, back since Rome had seven traditional kings
when it's founded in 753 BC. So I think that's the thing
that's interesting is when we talk about Rome's Republic and
Rome's empire and a lot of those different things, we don't
consider that typically it's only for the people that had
money and power. It's not really for the regular
people do. You think that's any different
today? I don't think it's that much
different, you know, I don't think it's that much different
because the problem is your people at the highest level are
kind of just going in One Direction.
Do you know what I mean? Like they, they've, they've got
their Overton window and they're kind of sliding far in One
Direction. And for the rest of us, if we
all get together and vote, whether that's accepted and
allowed to be right, like we, we saw what happened in the last
election. I, I just think voting's been
kind of a sham for a really long time, maybe since Kennedy.
And I think that's what you have to consider is how much control
we actually had and how long has it been since we've had control.
What do you think about the disruptive technology of the
Internet? Obviously you and I make money
doing that. This at this point that we have
this spread and this flow. Regular people can go back and
find out what politicians said in the 90s, which you couldn't
do even probably 15 years ago, that wasn't an option for a
regular person to go do. How's that affect us?
Yes and no, because I just did an episode yesterday.
The guy named Daniel Turner is a company called Power of the
Future and he does a lot, a lot around alternative energy, which
is is really cool stuff. And the thing you run into and
I, I'm trying to prepare for this interview, I'm like, what
are the biggest false beliefs or conspiracy theories people have
around energy? Good luck finding it if you
don't actually possess that energy yourself.
That's what I ran into is it was very hard to actually find the
information I wanted to prepare for the interview.
So part of what we're running into is the information we need
to make a decision is being removed.
Now there's a positive side of that.
The positive side is places like where we are right now, which is
Rumble and also a lot of what's been happening on X.
So I still, I'm still not sure how much I trust Elon Musk is we
have the ability to have these open conversations and actually
talk about a lot of these things.
And I think when you look at whether it's the fall of Rome's
Republic or the the fall of its empire, people wouldn't have
known, right? They just would have been a
totally effective whatever's happening to them.
I think we do have an ability now to be caused like we never
have in any time in history because of this free flow of
information. Now, that doesn't mean that
we're not continually fighting for our free speech everyday,
but we do have the ability to actually discuss these things
where for Romans, life would have just been happening to
them. Think that's fair?
I want to pivot into information OPS and propaganda and get a
definition on that. Before we do that, let me just
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So we're going to continue talking about it.
Let's do a discussion about propaganda.
What is propaganda in? How do you define it?
The propaganda is, is a tool that that's used in order to
control people's thought process, decisions and, and how
they get through their, their daily life.
And I think the best propaganda is something that's often
controls people without them realizing it's propaganda.
And the thing you have to consider is in Rome, they don't
really have a press. You know, much of what you're
getting actually comes from the central power.
So you have to think about how do you control People's Daily
lives? And one of the number one things
that's used there's I've read a number of books about this is
about currency. Because if you think about the
money people use, they use it every single day and that is how
they're going to have an experience with you.
So if you want to look at during the empire period, you'd have
the heaven emperor on one side and maybe you'd have the symbol
of a God on the other side, or you'd have Rome's first emperor
Augustus on the other side. You can even get even further
into it as many times that would be like a a sideways face often
like how our money is on on a coin.
But if the eyes are looking up, well, he's looking up to the
heavens and saying that the gods are are are more powerful than
him. If the eyes are looking forward,
well, he's saying that he himself is a God and he has more
power than regular people. So it gets to the level of the
money that you're using every single day without thinking
about it is something that is controlling how you look at
things. And you have to look at the
original purpose of money, especially in the Roman Empire,
is it was to pay the military. So the person whose face is on
that coin is now paying for your service.
So that's an important part as well.
Now another big thing or statues, and Augustus is really
the one since he's the the 1st of his kind that does this is he
covers the entire empire with statues of himself and he's only
ever about somewhere between 30 and 40 years old.
Though after he gets in his 50s and 60s, he's not a very healthy
man. They often were thinking
Augustus was going to die and who was going to come after
Augustus, but these statues always showed him as immortally
young. And I think that's what's
interesting too. Something that Augustus does
too, which is brilliant is after his adopted father Julius Caesar
dies, he sees a comet go across the sky and he says, well, that
comet going across the sky, that's my adopted father going
to join the gods in heaven. And what does he do?
He creates a worship cult to the divine Julius.
So if Julius is divine, I must have some divinity myself.
So they're often trying to tie themselves to divine beings in
order to do that. And I think you could see that a
lot of how celebrity culture is now is people are tying
themselves to, you know, whether it's the Kardashians or this
person or that person, they're kind of creating this idea of
they are known by, liked by related to this group that you
cannot reach. And I think that's the really
important thing is the separation, right?
Because when there's this idea of divinity in Rome, it's
something that can't be reached by the regular people.
But if their rulers can eventually reach it, they're
different and better than them. And I think that's often what we
see in a lot of our celebrity culture and even how politicians
use celebrity culture now. So we hear things now calling
thing the the sort of information OPS 5 GW, 5th
generation warfare. But this concept of trying to
use information to manipulate public opinion, that's been
going on. Forever.
Basically thousands of years. Yeah, and and it's and then you
just build a back story for it. Like you say the comic, it's
easy. Who can say otherwise, right?
Nobody. Can even if you want to look at
what Augustus does is the best documented time period we have
in Roman history is the 1st century BC and the 1st century
Adi. Don't do the the woke history
terms with BCE and CE by the way.
So so kind of that 100 years before Christ and the 100 years
after Christ are actually our best documented time period in
in Roman history. And the most of the reason why
is because a lot of the cultural programs are actually being paid
for by the Emperor Augustus. He's pays for the Aeneid, which
is one of the most famous written works of Roman history
to actually tie Romans to the Trojans.
He pays for so much of the poetry, like the works of Avid
and things that are done during this time period.
So, so much of the culture that's built is built on things
he wants people to believe. And that's what you really have
to understand is that becomes a part then for the next 500 years
of Roman culture. I see this sort of analog right
now talking about that, where people believe the good things
come from the government. That seems like a very leftist
kind of thing. It's the opposite of what people
in America sort of used to think.
Where do you see that shift happening as you kind of look at
this, the sort of historical overlay on on on our American
system? When did people start thinking
that we had more of a king than an actual president who's
supposed to just execute the rules from the from the
legislature? Well, I, as I said, I think
there's a shift around Wilson, but I think if you really want
to look at it, I think it's more around FDR, like #1 because we
don't get rid of a president during a time of war, right?
So we might as well keep the war going.
I think that's, that's important.
And he serves well, almost serves 4 terms, which I think is
is quite interesting so. Many people have forgotten that,
too, that you talk about people not knowing the history of their
own, like, forget the Roman history.
Most people don't even know American history.
Yeah. And if you tell him, it's like,
look, the guy, the guy served till death.
He was president for life. Well, even a Wilder one, which
nobody talks about and then I'll get back to this is, is Gerald
Ford. You look at a guy like Gerald
Ford, he's on the Warren Commission, right?
You have Nixon in his re election campaign, has Spiro
Agnew as his VP. Spiro Agnew is removed for some
sort of a tax issue. He's replaced with Gerald Ford,
who's the Senate Minority Leader, and then Nixon's removed
and Gerald Ford's president. Nobody voted for him.
Like, that's insane. But I guess getting back to, to,
to FDR, you even look at things like the, the public works
programs and a lot of different things, like so many of the
social programs we live with nowadays, including Social
Security came out of FDR. So if you want to look at the
system we have now, you know, someone like Woodrow Wilson is
more like your Julius Caesar character, someone that ends the
previous thing. And then you have someone like
FDR is more like your Augustus, the person that starts the next
thing. Because this is a different
system than we had previously. And that's why often times when
I'm having these conversations, people want to talk about the
fall of Rome's Republic. My opinion is Rome's America's
Republic fell a very long time ago and we've operated as
something else for for quite a long time.
I don't know if you want to call it a, an oligarchy or, or closer
to a monarchy or whatever it might be, but presidential power
has become supreme in this land. And that's why when I look at
where we are, Kyle, the thing that I'm most concerned about is
what's called Rome's 3rd century crisis, the time period right
after the death of the son of Marcus Aurelius.
Commodus creates this time period, which basically you have
Roman generals declaring themselves in charge and their
armies are fighting each other. Whoever gets to be emperor.
There's no actual succession, and what ends up happening then
is they're debasing their currency because whoever has the
most currency could pay. Their army is the one that's got
the most power. So you have the silver coin by
the time you get to the two 70s is only about 4% silver, which
it had been closer to 100% at the beginning of the 3rd
century. So you have currency and
inflation going wild by 284, you're at 15,000% inflation.
And in addition now because you need these these troops to, to,
to show your control, well, they start bringing in barbarian
troops to serve in the army. And those barbarian troops are
much of what turns on Rome for barbarian invasions.
They actually create their own problem through this immigration
gone wild in this, you know, military opportunism and totally
debasing their currency. To me, we're not there yet, but
I think that's a direction that we're headed because our money
is not worth anything. It's not tied to anything.
And we've had over 8 million people cross the southern
border, I guess. And if you watch the debate last
night, maybe as much as 11 in the last three years under
Biden. You know, and it seems
intentional too, or it just seems like the pattern that
human beings fall into. And I'm not 100% sure which it
is, but I, I do agree with you about that movement towards.
So is this the American Empire, Sage?
Could we just admit that the Republic is not really
functioning, at least not the way that it was designed?
And I think that's the interesting part, because you
look at what's happening with with Trump, that's a lot of like
what happened with Julius Caesar.
The difference is Caesar didn't lay down his military force.
He just entered Rome with it. Trump surrendered himself to the
to the legal forces, even though he may not have agreed with it.
So a lot of that is how the Republic fell.
And we kind of see the money class and the political class
playing out that whole thing. But I think it's really just a a
play for people to watch. I think the bigger problem is
we've been an empire for a very long time and we're doing what
empires do. We are, our wars of conquest
have ended quite a long time ago.
So now we're just trying to maintain what we have out there.
We spread our military thin. We're spending money we don't
have. And eventually, when you don't
have a currency and you don't have borders, you don't have a
country anymore. And if you look at how the Roman
Empire in the West falls, the East is going to last until
1453. But if you look at how the the
Roman Empire in the West falls, it eventually just transitions
to becoming the barbarian Kingdom.
There is no bawling and mashing of teeth and and flames of the
city. Sure there are barbarian
invasions throughout the the 3rd, 4th and 5th centuries, but
the way that that 476 date comes from is the Eastern Roman
Empire. Justinian tries to reunite the
empire with his general Belisarius through conquest and
they destroy what had become a barbarian Kingdom.
Because the last emperors in the last 100 years are just propped
up by barbarian generals. They don't actually have any
control. We're talking about the the fall
from within, essentially internalizing your own enemy.
And we're seeing some pretty good analogs of that happening
right now, right? How how does that manifest in
sort of the cultural experience for the Romans?
Did they, did they notice that there was no more Rome that the
Roman culture has was essentially barbarian?
Is that part of the game? I I think the thing you have to
consider as well is Barbarians and Romans had lived together
for hundreds of years. And I think when you when we
think of Barbarians there, they're not the way they're
portrayed culturally. I think, yeah, Barbara is the
word for beard is where that comes from.
I saw you guys touching your beard there.
But if you even look at during the time of of Caesar, they're a
lot more civilized than than people want to believe.
It's just the system is so dramatically different than
Romans that they call them Barbarians.
And a lot of what they do is raiding, but what they start to
actually settle within the empire because they want Roman
citizenship and they want the empire could provide for them.
And one of the big things in the empire as well as you have the
the social programs of the grain dole.
So these people are coming in and in two 12 Caracalla gives
about 30 million people citizenship that just live in
the Roman Empire, even though they're not citizens.
So now you have Barbarians and other people that are able to
actually get the social programs of Rome.
And if you also served in the military, you could get
citizenship. I mean, he had to do it for 20
or 30 years and not die. But you have a lot of these
people certainly want to get the goodness of, of what Rome could
give them. And it starts to bankrupt the
state and starts to crush the state under its weight.
And if you look at people then taking the the money and the
currency and adding other medals to it in order to pay the
military. So the money's getting
destroyed. Well for regular people, they
would have for for a long time been working alongside different
tribes within the city of Rome that you would see as barbarian.
So for them just to to change the old boss for the new boss
isn't that big of a deal. Because if you even look at how
Alexander the Great controlled his empire, the Babylonian
Empire was broke up into what's called satraps.
They were kind of like governors of areas.
He doesn't destroy that system. He just puts new places in in
new people that are his people and controlled those places.
It's going to be much of how the Roman Empire fades out.
You're not going to have the system itself breakdown.
You're just going to have Barbarians and other people
holding what are Roman positions of governors and pro consoles
and consoles and quasars. These positions aren't going to
go away. They're just going to be held in
different ways and it's going to kind of fade into a barbarian
system. It's like maybe having a Chinese
person on your City Council in San Francisco, or letting
illegal aliens take elected office even though theoretically
they shouldn't even have a right to be here kind of thing.
It's it's, it's incrementalism though.
It's incrementalism. It is.
And I think, I think that's the really interesting way in in
describing it is I think often times we want to look at how
empires fall and we want to look for these, you know, great
cataclysmic events. But but very often it is more
incremental than most. If you want to look at the most
famous work on The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by
Edward Gibbon, written in 1776, he cites over 200 different
reasons that the empire fell. It's so many gradual things that
you just need a little bit of political upheaval and it's just
going to, it's just going to take those things and exacerbate
them. And I think that's what you
really have to consider is there are so many different causes
that contribute to the decline of an empire.
But I think once again, your two major ones are borders and
currency. And if you don't have those two
things, you do not have a a country or an empire of any
sort. And then we did both of those
things, yes, in fairly short order.
Yeah. Well, and I think that's what
you have to consider is currency as it loses value, right.
Like let let's say you have people coming into your country
illegally or in large numbers even legally, they're not
culturally from that place, right?
Like you go to Italy or you go to France because you want to go
to Italy or France or you know, you want to enjoy that culture.
Those cultures are dying away because of the borders aren't
really in existence anymore. So what starts to happen is
those people are in those places because of the currency they're
getting, right? And as the currency loses value
and as the currency loses premacy, well, they don't need
that system anymore. And that's why I think you have
to look at is when the currency is destroyed and the people that
are in that place are no longer from that place, well, they
don't need that system anymore, right?
So they can just build a new system.
And I think that's the direction you had eventually.
Let's do some looking into the crystal ball because there's a
lot of doomsayers right now. Are you optimistic?
Pessimistic. Where do you where do you sit
when you look into the future? You got young kids like I do.
Yeah, I, I'm optimistic for reasons we talked about before.
And the reason is like #1 I think we're having in a
spiritual awakening in this country like we've never seen
before. The amount of friends that I
know that now go to church that couldn't have given, you know,
to, you know, what's a couple years ago is, is kind of
awesome. So I think that's one part of it
is we're starting to see a bit of awakening in this country
where people actually caring more about how they're leaving
the place behind and what they're doing for the, the place
that they live in. I think the other part about it
is the free flow information we have the for so long we've kind
of lived in this simulation, I guess you want to say in a lot
of ways, not, not that I'm promoting simulation theory
here, but I'm saying we've lived in kind of this simulated
reality. And I think what you've seen now
is we've start to seen cracks in this and, and rumble is a huge
part of this and, and X is also a big part of this.
We can also have these conversations and even as well,
I don't know about you, but I know local communities to me
seem like they're starting to get together again.
And I think the pandemic was a big part of this.
To me. I think the pandemic was
supposed to be the acts that brings everything down.
But I think in actuality, it's the thing that opened our eyes,
right? It it showed us what's happening
in our schools. It brought people together
because they realize if you want to change in your local area,
wouldn't it involves your mayor, it involves your town council
and lost a lot of different things.
So I think to me, and maybe this is just in my small bubble in,
in northern New Jersey, it seems like people care again.
And I think that's very, very important.
And there's people that I politically were on different
sides of the fence, but now we're in support of freedom.
And I think that's a really interesting thing of where we're
at in history. For Romans, things were just
fading out, man. They didn't have a different way
to communicate. They didn't have broad
communication. And I think if we ever lose
things like Rumble or we lose things like X, we are screwed.
But I think we are in a point in history where something can
still be done about it because we have a freer flow of
communication than we had before.
So the the American experience has been sort of this movement
of more and more centralization of power.
Would that be more or? Less, I would agree with that,
yes. And, and more or less
centralization of information because we've seen first it was
the universities, they were the ones that control the books.
That's where people went to go get the learning and get the
information. And then we had media companies
rise and they were the ones that were doling it back out.
So you'd get this educated class of journalists, whatever.
My dad was a journalist and calls them kind of like this
kind of dark priesthood where people think they get ordained
to give you the truth, which is obviously not the case.
And then we have this devolution right now that's happening where
it's getting balkanized, where we're, it's funny because the
Balkans were, you know, kind of a disaster.
And we use that word, but things are devolving back down to the
communal levels where it comes to talking to your neighbors,
like you talk about church communities and so on and sort
of micropolitics of sharing information, of looking in and
saying, Hey, you know, I know a little bit about this.
You're, you're interested in Rome and I was actually
interested in Greece. And oh, I lived overseas and
I've got this experience from being in Africa.
And we kind of put our heads together and realize there's
some better ways. And they've been out there that
didn't exist, maybe even a even 100 years ago.
That wasn't an opportunity. And that makes you feel
positive? I think so because if you, if
you look at it, you know, just once again, comparing it to the
to the fall of, of previous things, communication goes down
to the point that no one can talk about anything.
You know, you want to look at where things are at in Weimar
Germany. You want to look at even during
the First World War, the the alien and sedition acts are are
insane for the ability to communicate disappearing.
So I think that the fact that we can actually talk about it and
talking can lead to thinking, which can lead to doing.
I think that's the direction we're headed.
And I think it involves people getting involved in your
election board. It involves people getting
involved in your town because, you know, we federalized a lot
in this country, but I think people seem to forget we have a
10th amendment. And I think that's even if you
look at what what's happened with with the Roe V Wade
decision. Well, the the Supreme Court was
just looking at it and say, well, all powers not enumerated
to the federal government are relinquished to the states.
And that that's exactly what happened in in this situation.
So I think if it, what we're doing hopefully is getting less
federal and getting more back to having a 10th amendment in
states rights, because that is the only way you can make this
thing work. Because if you look at the
structural integrity of the Roman Empire in in the 3rd
century, what starts to happen is the central power can't
control the whole thing now because it's gotten so big that
the job of an emperor just becomes with his army running
around the entire empire, his entire career and barely living
at Rome. So then you have a break off
empire in the West that happened, which is the Gallic
Empire. You have a break off empire in
the east, which is the Pyran Empire.
And then you have in the in the north you have these barbarian
tribes coming down. Things break off when central
power, you know, really can't control them.
And I think what what ends up happening is if you look at our
Constitution, the way it's put together, our founders thought
of that. And they had smaller power
sectors in states that could do things themselves.
And I think if we get back to that and realize that the
federal government isn't doing everything for us, we're, we're
in good shape, man. But I think the problem once
again is the people in power will do things that give
themselves power. So I think it comes to getting
them voted out. I think it comes to handling our
law enforcement organizations. You know, you look at how the
FBICIADOJ, all these things have been weaponized against the
American people. We need to get back to a place
where the people are actually in control of their government.
Was there a secret police or anything of the that sort that
we could kind of draw some parallels to from the Roman
Empire? The Praetorian Guard, I think
oftentimes is looked at as kind of just being the protectors of
emperors, but oftentimes they were public works.
They were beast, the intelligence organization, they
were actually in charge of how much grain people got as well.
And if you look at in the Emperor Empire, there's 13
different emperors that actually killed by the Praetorian Guard.
They they often function as this power behind the power that
steps out only when they don't like the way things are going.
You know this guy Karakala, he's a little bit crazy, so we're
going to kill him. Or this guy Caligula, he's a
little bit crazy, so we're going to kill him.
Now. If you read it, but if you read
into these people more, right, like there's a lot of debauchery
and things around a guy like Caligula, but you have to wonder
often a lot of the actions he took looks like they were
actually to embarrass the Senate.
So so it's once a one of those things that you wonder, are
there things missing in the history we're given?
You know, are some of those things about him made-up to make
him look bad? I don't know.
But if you look historically, when the Senate or when the
powered classes are upset, that is when an emperor dies and we
then think badly about that person after the fact because
the press is controlled. The idea of a deep state or an
administrative state or sort of like an Intel community
functioning in, in almost all governments, there were always
people moving behind the throne because because it's never just
vested. That's that's the one thing I
always find funny in these movies.
My wife and I, she's like, why do people even work for that
guy? Like why is all these hench men
running around doing this job? It's like, well, because it's
simplified, because it's hard for us to grasp that there are
these shadowy figures that are moving around and they're
connected and they may not even know each other, but they have
Co aligned interests. And so you don't have to
actually have communication or covert comms.
Everyone's like, oh, this is bad for me.
I'm going to take actions, I'm going to pull these strings.
And when 50 people that have all the money are pulling all the
strings, they never had to call each other up and have a meeting
or like a, you know, an X-Files style, like dark men in a in a
dark room smoking cigarettes. They just know what they need,
and if it means that somebody's going to have to die up front
and we're going to have to discredit them, then that
happens. It's been going on for, I guess,
thousands of years. The the most powerful man in
Rome is is what's called the Praetorian prefect.
He's the guy that's in charge of the Praetorian guard.
And if you want to look at where we are modernly, I've written
some some X threads about this. I think you could compare him
very that that post very well to someone like Barack Obama,
right. If you look at Joe Biden's taken
out of power and who's the last one to endorse Harris, that's
Obama, right? Because does he actually think
this coup is a thing? So I think very often in in any
sort of political situation, there's a puppeteer behind the
behind the scenes you don't know about.
I think often times we think that by voting a person out of
office or by changing political parties, we we change what's
actually happening to us. But these power structures are
set up in such a way that they're able to control things
no matter who's in office. Yeah, that's the kingmaker role
that people used to talk about a lot more.
I don't hear that as much. That's sort of concept.
But it was a thing that if somebody endorsed you, you get
to take the throne. You may not be able to be in
charge of the throne, but you can sit on it.
But you also wonder like how many things behind the scenes is
this person doing, right? Like, you know, how many people
did this person make sure got into Congress or how many things
that are happening in Congress because this person selected
them and they got all the votes together what they might be.
I don't think these things happen as organically as we want
to believe. I do think there's a lot more
control behind the scenes. Not that I believe everything is
controlled opposition, but at the same time I do think there's
a lot more control to it than we think.
All right, let's look down the road.
We got a couple different forks we could take probably as you
kind of experienced the world you we've got November being one
kind of inflection point possibility some break offs and
then maybe 2028. How do you see not as maybe
weigh them for me the way that you see these things going based
on looking back in history and then looking forward to what
might be in front of us? I don't think November matters
as much as people want it to believe.
I, I, it's, you know, I'm somebody that I, I like
President Trump. I'm, I'm going to vote for him
in November. But I think at the same time, it
actually doesn't matter as much as people want to think it does.
Sure, it's a consequential election and and Harris scares
the crap out of me. That smug look last night, man,
I just, I couldn't handle that. But I think that the bigger
thing is getting back to organizing local communities
because our, our government has to start functioning by
constitution, which is not where we've been.
So we have to take a look at getting involved in local
communities and functioning more by the 10th Amendment.
And unless that starts happening, we're in trouble.
Now, I think if you want to look at how we fix the whole thing, I
think the the person you actually want to look at is
Constantine. Constantine is a very
interesting individual. And if you look at somebody that
would have lived during his time period, the thing they would
often credit him with his currency, which is interesting
because people say, well, he's the first Christian emperor
since he's he's baptized. He's baptized on his deathbed.
But the thing Constantine actually does, and it's a major
reason that the Eastern Empire survived, is around 314 to 3:15,
because our calendar is just a little bit different than
theirs. In a city called Trier in
Germany, he mints less than 100 gold coins.
And then what he's going to start doing is as he's making
the empire more Christian, he's going to start taking all the
the Pagan gold monument gold statues and stuff and melting
them down. And he's going to use those to
mint more gold coins. Every single year.
He's minting gold coins. Any time that they bring a new
people into the empire, he's going to take their gold and
he's going to make gold coins. So by the time you get to the
when he died in the three 30's, the Eastern empire is on a gold
standard and that gold standard is going to last from the three
30s until the year 1000 without inflation at 24 karat gold
piece, it's a 6.3g gold coin and it becomes a very standard form
of coinage. Now, the problem that you have
during in the Western Empire's crisis is because regular metals
and coins were losing their value so fast, people start
hoarding gold and not trading in it.
The thing that Constantine does is he actually makes taxes
forced to be paid in gold. So now he's forcing gold into
circulation. So then people start using gold
in the marketplace more. So that is something that it's
not done all at once because I think if you flipped our
currency all at once, you would just destroy the system, right?
Because we're so far over our skis, you have to think Rome was
in a worse condition we are than we are.
If they're at 15,000% inflation by 284, they're able to take
that in over a 30 year period, Get the Eastern Empire on a gold
standard. Well, to me, I think that's
something that I would have a lot of hope in.
If we can handle our currency, we can handle a lot of things
here, man. It's an interesting thing.
I thought you were going to go with a spiritual aspect to it,
but the money is far more. Well, no, because the the thing
that Constantine does is like he starts like he starts favoring
Christians in political positions because he has this
conversion, but it doesn't really become a Christian empire
until 370. So it takes a long time to get
to that. But the thing he does, which is
fully implemented by his death, is this gold standard.
And I think if you look at that, currency is one of the big
things that solves the country, because if you don't have
currency and you don't have borders, you don't have a
country do. You think our leaders knew that?
Do you think they know that now with this lack of education that
we have that's running across the rest of the country?
I, you know, I highly doubt it. I, I highly doubt it because I,
I just, I don't know, man, even as much as I, I like Donald
Trump, I don't see him quoting, you know, rhetoric and things
like that of, of Greek and Roman philosophers.
I think we've lost so much of these things and even awareness
of what has worked before in history.
You know, I know Harris has talked about price controls.
One of the things that she's going to do to fix things in 284
Diocletian, who's the guy that actually fully divides the
emperor between East and West. He does these famous reforms,
one of which is a currency reform, which falls flat.
Another thing is he he breaks up the empire into smaller pieces
of called that are called diocese, which is actually still
the word that the the Catholic Church uses today for it, for
the divisions. And the other thing he does is
price controls. Price controls fails so badly
because what it ends up doing is it creates a black market now
because, well, people don't just don't want to use your currency.
They're just going to trade amongst themselves.
And it drives inflation crazy because, well, now they're just
going to devalue the money more because they want more coinage.
So that's the problem you run into is, is these things have
failed throughout history, whether it be, you know,
Diocletians, price controls are the ones of Mao are the ones of
Stalin. We do these things throughout
history. Doesn't mean it's just going to
work this time. But has it ever been properly
tried? I hate that.
Excuse me? I'm like, you know, communism
has never worked, but it's going to work this time.
Trust me. So one of the things that I did
as a sort of a capstone, it was an undergrad capstone and an
honors program was we looked at utopian works of literature and
we analyzed them for what are the common elements of a utopia?
And they're basically came down. I kind of mentioned earlier
three things. You have to either have a
perfect people, which doesn't exist.
You have to have a perfect land with infinite resources and that
doesn't exist. Or you have to have a perfect
system of government that somehow compensates for the lack
of resources or the lack of the people.
And of course that doesn't exist either.
And it seems like the the America had the best shot at all
of it because they had a quote UN quote good and moral people,
if we believe that. And it seems like that was more
or less true previously and a pretty good system and a lot of
natural resources. So they had a pretty much like
the best of all three that you couldn't, you know, it was never
going to be perfect. And we seem like we've lost a
big chunk of a lot of those. Things, but it just goes back to
the political classes, man, because that's the problem we
always run into is the people that want to be in power
shouldn't have it and the people that don't want to have power
should have it right. Like I think that's, that's the
problem we run into because we're too busy building
businesses and raising families and adding value to society.
And you look at somebody like Chuck Schumer, the guy has never
held a job. And I, and I think that's the,
the problem you run into with people that get into politics is
they get into politics because they want power and they want
invites to the dinners and they want to meet other famous people
or we're too busy raising our families and adding value to
society. And and feeding the chickens.
Feed the chickens, man. I got two dozen of those little,
little bastards. Are they the gateway to
conspiracy thinking do you think?
I don't know man and I run into this problem where every August
and September they stop laying. So right now I'm getting no eggs
out of my chickens. I've been barring them for my
mother in law's chickens but I don't know why mine just stopped
laying in September and August. So we're we're upset with them
right now. Is that a normal thing that they
go through these cycles for? Everybody has chickens that do
that. You know, I don't really know.
I just know mine tend to do it every October or every August
and September when it gets real hot, they'll stop laying planned
for a bit and we get to kind of the end of September, they just
start laying again normally. So I don't know if it's just
everybody's chickens or my chickens.
I've had them for five or six years, but that's what ends up
happening. We need to Crowdsource the
answer to this quandary because that's a real problem.
You can't have that. People, if you're people are
saying yes in the chat, but I don't know what the yes means.
If that's common, like let us know why.
I need to know. We're not chicken scientists
here. We're looking at the world and
seeing the problems. I'm trying to think of a a kind
of a final wrap up. You've got a lot of hope going
in here. How much do you think the
spiritual awakening is going to impact the political sphere?
Is that something? Is one driving the other?
Is is it bad politics makes people go back to church?
I think that's tough because I think if you look at it, people
that have seen, I think they, the pandemic's a good example of
this, right? To see that much evil, there has
to be good. And I think that's what I've
ended up hearing from a lot of people is they've had spiritual
awakenings. Because if it can be this bad,
then to just think life is like this way is a little sad.
There has to be something else. And I think that's what actually
sends people into looking for something is when you truly see
and truly experience evil, then you realize that there, there,
there is an opposite of that. And that's good.
And I think that's what tries people to to a spiritual
awakening. I think that makes a lot of
sense. Also.
People can't believe that their life would be like this, and
then they look into history and they realize that, yes, this has
been happening over and over again.
Even within our own country, we've run through some cycles.
Yeah, and, and people are wearing WWJD bracelets.
They're not wearing. They're not wearing.
What would Thomas Hobbes do? Bracelets where life is a nasty
British and short. That is very true.
All right, Tell people what you guys do on your podcast.
Obviously I've been a part of it, but give people kind of a
sense of what you're about over there and what they can find if
they can file you. Yeah, so I have the Jeremy Ryan
Slate show. We talk about the events in
history that you're not supposed to know about and a lot of the
things even in popular culture you're not supposed to know
about because there's other people out there handling
politics. But I'm all about education
since I've had a teaching background and everything else.
I also run a company called Command Your Brand and we are
APR firm for the podcast industry and we are big about
getting free speech out there. That's the number one reason I
do what I do is to to educate. So it's the Jeremy Ryan Slate,
Jeremy Ryan Slate show and our company is Command Your
brand.com. How much time do you spend on X
on a day? Because I put your link to your
your ex profile in the description for folks.
Way too much and my wife is often taking my phone away from
me to to get me to do a little bit less.
We share that experience too. Do you log on?
Sunday Remember, you're not supposed to be using your
computer. That's exactly it though.
I mean, and I have, I've actually started surrendering
the account where I just don't touch it from Friday, sometime
in the middle of the afternoon. I won't touch it until Sunday
night when I know I've got to get back to work.
What I what I started doing even too.
So we we live on a lake so we take the kids to the to the
beach in the lake a lot. I've started just leaving my
phone home because I know if I have it, I'll end up checking it
or using it. So it's I've gotten better at
just like leaving my phone places.
You're aspiring to that Gen. X life that I was born next to.
That analog life is actually it's a pretty good thing.
Maybe that was when we were a proper country.
Yeah, I don't know, man. Like I, I remember before cell
phones, I remember before computers and all that because
you got to remember I was born in the mid 80s.
So like, I do remember a lot of that stuff.
No, I was at that. I was at the beginning of the
80s and I still connect more with people from the 70s than I
do with people that were born in the 90s.
She's that's kind of interesting because I feel like I connect
more with people that are in your generation that I connect
with people that are kind of like, I guess millennialist
because I guess I'm on the edge of it.
No, that's definitely the case. It, it comes from having analog
experience, being able to unplug.
Maybe it was a 8 bit Nintendo or something.
But Jeremy, thanks so much for joining me this morning.
I think that was probably interesting for folks.
I hope you'll come back and we'll probably touch this again
and maybe we'll see what happens in November and do it again.
For that we can have a little bit more hope, depending on how
it goes. Absolutely, man, I appreciate
you having me and I just hope we can, you know, make this this
country a better place because I I believe with you know, the
right education and and kind of more of a spiritual awaken.
I think we can do that. I think we can too.
All right, have a wonderful day. Thanks so much for joining us.
I'm going to wrap up over here with my folks.
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I do the best that I can do. I would like to lose the bags
under my eyes, but I can't always do it.
I've got a palate cleanse for you guys today.
I know that was a little bit of a heavy historical lesson, so
let's go to one of the other amusing people in the world out
there, Jordan Peterson impersonators, not actual Jordan
Peterson. Jordan Peterson impersonator.
This is one of the funniest things that you guys will hear
in a while. I think Jordan Peterson would
like this too. I can't remember if we played it
last night, but I'm playing it for you right now.
You. Know having your own homes like
having your own tortoise shell you can hide in it all day and
never stick your head out. People say well what if you
don't have your own tortoise shell?
Well, there's no saving you. You're probably going to be
mauled by hyenas. What if I don't live in Africa?
There's no hyenas where I live. Well, it depends on what you
mean by hyenas. Hyenas come in many forms Hyenas
can be that one friend who's buy on bath salts and steals all
your money to buy lingerie like Oh yeah that's a real confidant
having a friend that betrays you like eating Chipotle for years
and then dying of bacteria the 100th time you trusted the naked
burrito bowl and it damn well killed you.
Now the question is do you or do you not blame Mexico to be
betrayed? Like making love to the Albanian
woman of your dreams and then in the morning she rolls over and
whispers in your ear I'm actually Estonian.
What do you do then? Well as history shows you've
been double crossed by all of Eastern Europe to be betrayed.
Like having your pet panda bite your throat in your sleep.
Here it is for years just eating bamboo.
Now it has a taste for flesh. You may be asking what are you
doing with a pet panda? None of your God damn business,
bucko I. Have no idea what any of that
means, but it did make me laugh because it's a pretty darn good
impression of it. Guys, follow my guest today.
His name is Jeremy Ryan Slate. SLATE and you can follow him on
Twitter at Jeremy Ryan Slate or you can find him at
jeremyryanslate.com. Makes it really easy, my kind of
guy. Thanks so much for joining us
for the program today. I hope that was edifying.
I hope that was something that impart a little bit of knowledge
and maybe a little bit of hope too.
I feel the same way. Although this is an important
election, I don't think it's going to bring it to our knees.
I don't think that one way or another, this country is
destroyed, that the Constitution is shredded.
It's important. It's obviously something we want
to see success in, but there have been some really, really
wild times and I think looking back at history and realizing
that other countries, other empires, other peoples have come
back from a brink that was even worse than our own is worth
knowing. Be careful with your panda
ownership out there today. Once it gets a taste for flesh,
it is all over. I have no idea what that means
either. Thanks so much guys.
We're going to be back tonight with the call in show on locals.
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