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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower. 

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An American Patriot prepare to 
embrace the uncomfortable truth 

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because this program has no time
for comforting lies here. 

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Our civil liberties, enthusiasts
Second Amendment Defender and 

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recovering FBI agent. 
Kyle seraphin. 

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Hello, my friends. 
Welcome to the Kyle Serafin 

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show. 
Hopefully this time for real 

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thanks for sticking with us. 
What a goofy experience today is

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June the 2nd. 
We are going to launch into a 

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discussion with fellow 
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As you can see, I've got gerd, a
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We are now moved indoors off a 
balcony where we were getting 

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buzzed by repeated flybys by the
United States Coast Guard 

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because George Hill decided to 
upset the members of DHS, and 

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they decided to come back and 
let us know. 

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They were displeased with such 
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We don't Confirm that. 
But since we moved inside, they 

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have decided that they are no 
longer interested in flying in a

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circle and hovering right over 
our position. 

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So that tells you something 
Florida gardeners and leaf 

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blowers didn't make it any 
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So now we are back. 
I'm going to give you guys a mic

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check real quick and I'm going 
to thank our sponsors. 

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Garrett, give me a mic. 
Check, fuck, excellent people. 

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Give me a big thumbs up when you
hear Garrett and same thing with

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George. 
How's your mic 5? 

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4, 3, 2 1. 
He's a good counter and he's 

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able to give us all that folks. 
We got a couple different camera

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angles here pretty silly. 
Let me do a quick. 

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Thank you to my sponsor which is
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There they are right there. 
Catholic vote Catholic. 

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Vote.org you can go and check 
them out and you can sign up for

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the loop-the-loop is an email 
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to all kinds of useful and 
pertinent information as a 

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Christian in this country. 
That was a big sigh Garrett. 

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I'm sorry beside about Catholics
or Christians in this country 

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who are facing some tough times.
When you look at what Catholic 

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vote does there an advocacy 
group, they are actually suing 

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the FBI right now, they helped 
organize the boycott of the unit

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of the LA Dodgers and they're 
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Eating for a position that not 
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the Christian ideals that you 
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ideals as a whole at this point.
As I discussed with Rob Maness 

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the other day on red voice 
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A lot of the things that they 
have targeted, Catholics for 

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specifically are really not even
just Christian positions, their 

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main line conservative 
positions, lowercase C. 

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If you believe in the right to 
life, if you believe in a 

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stopping of abortion, if you 
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children, the way that you think
that you should all these things

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are sort of relevant, Catholic. 
Vote.org you can go to that and 

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Up for the loop. 
Very very thankful that I'm 

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getting a bunch of Thumbs Up in 
the live chat. 

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Thanks folks for joining us. 
I see all my favorites, all my 

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regulars out there Scott, thank 
you for joining us. 

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Haven't seen Eric yet today and 
Jen looks like she's able to get

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on board. 
We see cookie. 

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So, all of you thanks for 
joining us. 

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Thanks for sticking with us 
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I don't know. 
Environmental challenges. 

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What else would you call that? 
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it, right coincidence. 
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introduction would necessarily 
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you. 
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This is George Hill. 
Famous vault. 

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Even as we discussed and 
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beardman. 
Now both Congressional testimony

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fires, they are both FBI 
whistleblowers one, retired, one

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suspended forever, with no 
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And these gentlemen have decided
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very interesting dinner 
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beer and some burgers. 
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have, you were looking for key. 
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lime pie, we are in South 
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So we went and did that, and 
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discussion about the back swing 
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gentlemen who served in the 
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You know, George served for 
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They both have faced live-fire 
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range and served America against
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So what we're going to talk 
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who have seen conflict in a real
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people's willingness to avoid 
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our soil. 
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that once it is opened, it 
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But I'm going to let these guys 
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I'm kind of just going to 
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you all. 
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chopper. 
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Eric Eric has left his 
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Florida. 
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wheelchair and he is now flying 
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show he wanted to make a cameo. 
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thanks so much for sitting. 
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morning with me. 
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coffee with me this morning 
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important facet of life and 
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people who are close to you who.
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together in person and be able 
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deep into some of these topics 
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So Murray wants to know where we
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Do you guys want to tell people 
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It's it's an undisclosed 
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That's not how we operate here. 
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Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 
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I mean for Florida in June, not 
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not crushing humidity. 
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it's been pretty good weather 
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This is, this is a Wisconsin 
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being anywhere near the beach is
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There's no question about that. 
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been in the tundra for so long. 
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in, what do you call it? 
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what your intermittent state is,
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that I know you guys have very 
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what we've been facing down and 
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conversation for sure. 
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know, a little bit about my back
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the episode on Monday, I think 
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blending together, but shortly 
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our Goods and and a settle into 
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I had this idea to start a sub 
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of the FBI with no pay and no 
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outside employment and kind of 
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best and trying to figure out 
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and three other daughters and 
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this. 
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granted it's, you know, friends 
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and for Most part, but I had 
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to a couple sermons on the Book 
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like oh man Wisconsin has become
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that to friends and family back 
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Heidi she started saying here, 
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taking that personally, you're 
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wanted us to come back home, 
your check. 

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About family members being. 
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Ended. 
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who's saying, it more like God 
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purpose. 
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and outs of that purpose yet. 
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story of Jonah, he tried to flee
to tarshish and because the Lord

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was calling him to Nineveh, but 
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He went to Nineveh to burn and 
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to burn or anything like that. 
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analogy analogy is Then just the
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everything that went into it 
with the suspension and losing a

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job, essentially, and not having
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Really other than is to focus on
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So I started off to sub stack 
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our life and I called it, 
welcome to Nineveh and I've been

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meaning to Circle back for many 
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to 03 left in my mind. 
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I've been like, Jonah holding 
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bitterness. 
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getting to a point where I was 
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earlier in this process, what is
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I know, people are starting to 
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and there's some legal reasons 
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down. 
But folks, if you're in the chat

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in there and you want to request
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Yeah, it's a last line. 
Dotsub stack.com, last line, 

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dotsub stack.com. 
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familiar with Garrett shirts, 
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Boom, there it is. 
The last line last line strength

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last line sub stack. 
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Then we're going to move over to
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here from the other Tundra. 
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had started when I was a cop 
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more like focused on police and 
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And and so I had this idea like,
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some T-shirts. 
And hopefully expand someday and

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to opening a gym or it's more of
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and it's taken on a very 
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imagined, but short while I was 
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process with the FBI's. 
When I started this thing and it

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kind of trickled off because the
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then I'm off to Quantico and 
moving and what it's always been

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in the back of my mind, like I 
got a circle back and bring this

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to life and so I guess I am in a
different way with the sub stack

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and we'll see. 
Where it goes from there, you 

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know, as it's morphed in kind of
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What would you what would you 
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The last line is. 
So it's anyone and everyone who 

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wants to whose as the has made 
the choice or has been placed in

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on a path where they must step 
into the breach, they must stand

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firm. 
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And that's really the nuts and 
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doesn't have to be law 
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It's anyone and everyone who 
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build, a community of people who
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And we want to do what's right 
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That's very sobering. 
George, I said that when we 

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first met that I was had on a 
countdown to see how fast it 

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would be for me to give you a 
hard time and for you to tell me

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to go f myself, that was only 
like in the first 20 or 30 

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minutes that you and I have 
physically met for the first 

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time. 
Oh yeah. 

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Because I called you first 
iniquity of all things, which I 

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think is a pretty silly and 
selfish observation now. 

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I'm not correct, not not even a 
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Clearly, not your down here in 
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part of a panel discussion that 
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and what like you travel around 
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right now. 
You're seeing different things. 

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What is your sense of what's 
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Since some of these allegations 
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federal government have been 
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Do you see any movement? 
I think there's a lot of things 

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Number one, I think there is a 

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growing. 
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they raise their families. 
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sacrosanct you you never ever 
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and I'm older than these two 
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someone was raising their 
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that was an area that you just 
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I mean there's an upside to 
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the shutdown of the school's, 
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insight, as to the shenanigans 
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school system. 
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Money Follows the child and 
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recalibrating from the left. 
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further push forward their 
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like when a cold front moves in 
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a warm air mass out that storm 
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sides because we no longer have 
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basic core differences in values
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I think large groups of people, 
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silent, they just want to raise 
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their taxes, go to the soccer 
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Going to Scout Troop. 
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That just want to be That's the 
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will not leave you alone. 
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and they have redoubled their 
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Go not to go too deeply into 
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Administration is deep in the, 
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ratings, but you see no concern 
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upcoming election, which gives 
me great concern. 

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Why do they have no concerns? 
Why did have you're not the 

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least bit worried about these? 
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are taking place in our society 
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So I want to dig deeper into the
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because I think you have some 
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I also want to touch on the 
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which there's been some 
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I've had people bring it to my 
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strong reflection on a gear and 
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actually, That this steady March
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is religious in nature. 
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religious extremism more than it
does a political movement 

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because that makes sense to you 
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Absolutely it one doesn't have 
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Just look at the Soviet Union 
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know existed but their nation is
their God. 

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They Be uppercase G with a 
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government. 
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Clinton has said, what Barack 
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government, that they're not 
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There there are, children takes 
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These are these are not 
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English language. 
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different moral points of view. 
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for you can I just want to say 
Joe and the chat? 

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Let wants you to know that he 
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their taxes and do their civic 
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interest in paying those taxes. 
I just want to assert that. 

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I also feel strongly every time 
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looking at a way to 
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to pull back and have Gary 
shred, the check that I mailed 

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him because we want to set up a 
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which will be life-changing for 
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And I immediately had a flurry 
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a significant danger in cutting 
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A check for 250,000 dollars, 
even though it wasn't my money 

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to begin with, because it came 
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and sending it over. 
It will look like a gift that 

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I'm giving directly from myself.
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gift, which is incredibly 
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government wants 80 thousand 
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That I would write to these 
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I don't want to pay my taxes 
that much either. 

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I'm not I'm not a huge fan of 
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dipping 30% or 35% of something 
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To go and I never considered it 
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not be a clean pass through for 
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So anyway, just so you all know.
I will always be transparent, 

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I'll let you know how we figure 
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If it means that we have to buy 
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you know and then we just happen
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in his future. 
Then that's okay, too. 

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Like there's a lot of different 
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some some accounting options to 
solve this problem simply. 

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Because as much as we used to be
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taxes, now, we're paying 
essentially for tyranny. 

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Many of us are paying for the 
mechanisms of tyranny that are 

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coming at us, dare you. 
Wanted to play in this, on this 

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couch, on this first because 
Journey has been a big aspect 

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of, I guess. 
A lot of my thought process 

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really is sense. 
I think, since I joined the army

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and it was probably one of the 
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shifted over time as well. 
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at maybe back then in my 
ideological foolishness, as a 

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teenager joining the military, I
thought it's the tear and the 

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outside tyranny of other people 
who want to change America. 

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Or attack America or oppress 
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Now, I look more eccentric at 
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is a way off the rails with the 
administrative State. 

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And in the way it is round, it 
is run. 

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And so, the definition of the 
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definition of tyranny is an 
arbitrary use, or in an 

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arbitrary use of or 
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And when you look at, just the 
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people will scoff at the word 
tyranny, like, oh, It's extreme 

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when we break down the word and 
we look at the definition of it,

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it really isn't all that extreme
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Steve's book and the redactions 
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whatever of redactions that is 
an unrestrained abuse of 

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authority right there because 
they don't want him to exercise 

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his first amendment right about 
the things he saw inside the FBI

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that were long and we can, you 
know, put that out to the Gibson

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go and the potential tax burden 
that we might see on there but 

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another aspect of it. 
As we are in this new role of 

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being the suspend doubles is we 
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months. 
This is one thing we used to 

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talk about a lot before the 
hearing and the many months 

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leading up to it many times, 
thinking it may not ever even 

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happen was when and if I should 
come and speak out publicly and 

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I didn't and I never did until 
after that hearing, and it's 

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another aspect where it's like 
we Can be patient. 

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We you know it's if we have a 
finite life but for now patience

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and prudence and discretion and 
discernment have to be a major 

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part of we go forward because we
know we're being watched, we 

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know they are trying to find any
and every reason they can to hit

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us with a tax penalty or some 
you know, possibly a Coast Guard

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helicopter coming down over our 
position. 

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Yeah. 
I see a 240 out the window so I 

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wasn't Not to threaten. 
There was a guy, there was an 

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engineer that was hanging out, 
but I say yeah. 

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But no m240 correct Gunner. 
Just just a flight engineer 

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doing what he does probably 
looking for. 

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All right, sir. 
Maybe he was going to come and 

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drop us a way out. 
If he thought they'd go some 

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fine little coincident rope go 
to when we started and it 

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stopped when we move absolute 
coincidence, I'm sure there's 

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nothing to it. 
Well, interesting enough, we 

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can't believe in coincidences in
the roles that we're in right 

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now. 
It doesn't make sense for us to 

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walk around and not have our 
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Head on a swivel. 
Many people in America are 

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feeling the same way. 
They feel like they are being 

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watched in certain ways because 
of the sort of surveillance that

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the government has created, 
which was not a thing when you 

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were a child and really not a 
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But we've all grown to expect 
that any phone call could be 

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listened to that. 
Any text message could be 

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intercepted that any device you 
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electronics. 
Could in fact, be compromised at

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any moment and the capabilities 
for that. 

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Sort of thing, do exist, 
clearly. 

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And we've used them in different
ways in our professional careers

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and now you're look at it. 
Length. 

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The funny experience that we had
the other day yesterday. 

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I'll let Garrett kind of tell 
the story of it, but you never 

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know if you're seeing what we 
call and surveillance. 

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Well, if you're seeing ghosts, 
because of how strange, the the 

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internal situation is, how 
strange our personal situations 

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are now, we're looking back at 
our former employer and being 

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like, hey, are they following a 
trap? 

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Yeah, so we're walking back from
dinner last night and George and

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Kyle are in front of me. 
You know, about shoulder width 

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apart. 
Just next, to each other. 

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I'm right behind. 
You know picking up the rear and

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as we're walking towards the 
hotel. 

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There's you know, foot traffic 
coming towards us and there's 

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there's a cleanly dressed guy. 
Walking our way has his phone 

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out and he, let's see what. 
Yeah, let's describe him very 

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clearly he was wearing some kind
of slacks with a belt. 

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A tucked in shirt. 
It was a dress shirt that was 

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button down. 
It was pink if that's you Miami 

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SSG, we saw you. 
You're not very good. 

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If it wasn't, then we're seeing 
ghosts even weirder. 

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Could have been just some random
dude but show them how he was 

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carrying this little, this one. 
So as he's wrapped, as much as 

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he's walking towards us, he has 
his phone about yay, high and 

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has it canted like this, which 
not reading it. 

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I'll was, you know, an 
operational surveillance guy 

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went through the FBI's 
surveillance course. 

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I also went through that course,
and so you're trained on and not

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to do this thing and how to act 
normal and not weird. 

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We're human. 
So we don't always get it right.

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Right? 
And so I see this and I thought,

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oh, that guy's probably, you 
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surveillance team on it. 
It's what we call surreptitious 

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photography and there's an 
entire technique on how to do it

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the way you would actually do 
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going to videotape, for example,
you folks, you might walk by 

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like this and you might be kind 
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turning around and kind of yep. 
Uh-huh. 

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Yeah, that's what I thought. 
No, no. 

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We will have to meet later on 
and then you walk by, you do it 

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naturally and not act like a 
weirdo, but when you are working

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for the FBI weirdo is probably 
use one of your default 

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positions. 
There's a lot of nerdy weirdo 

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people Let's pivot directly over
George spent a bunch of time at 

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the FBI Academy. 
And you were seeing this 

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recruiting, you tell me why you 
went down there, because I don't

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know if we've covered that on a 
podcast before, but you, and 

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I've had personal conversations 
a couple times about it. 

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So sadly, Kyle and I did a 
podcast on the 10th anniversary 

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of the Boston. 
Marathon's, and we had some 

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technical difficulties and lost 
unfortunately to humanity 

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forever. 
But when the bomb went off on 

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Boylston Street, I was at calm 
for a war game. 

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And I came back on the first 
plane the day after. 

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So I was in Boston about 12 
hours after a little more than 

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12 hours after the bomb went. 
And when I walked into the 

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command post, I expected to see 
what we had or gamed with surg 

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critical incident Response 
Group, just a few months. 

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Prior instead what I walked into
was the barroom fight scene out 

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of Blazing Saddles and during 
the course of the investigation 

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and The Manhunt This is all 
before the task force took 

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effect and people went out about
doing their regular assigned 

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tasks. 
I learned so much about my 

450
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:52,100
colleagues people, men, and 
women who I held in high regard 

451
00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,800
found out that they totally wet 
the bed when things went South 

452
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:59,900
and then other people who are 
very quiet who went about their 

453
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:04,900
job with no pretense, just Rose 
to the occasion quietly and 

454
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:06,800
professionally and perform their
job. 

455
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:10,800
And there's a, you get a 
Workforce to ways that they're 

456
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,000
both. 
Related is your hiring practice 

457
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,600
and your training practice. 
So I was very familiar with the 

458
00:23:15,608 --> 00:23:18,200
hiring practice the bureau. 
So I wanted to go to Quantico 

459
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,600
and just see how these men and 
women are are made. 

460
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,700
And I had an opportunity to get 
down for almost 45 months as a 

461
00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:28,900
field counselor. 
Met some really great people 

462
00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:32,900
were over friends to this day 
and this was 67 years ago and I 

463
00:23:32,908 --> 00:23:36,000
wanted to see how they're made 
and a friend. 

464
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,300
I became friends with the the 
chief physician down at 

465
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,300
Quantico. 
We were both at Navy 

466
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,300
Expeditionary. 
Combat Bat command together. 

467
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,100
Although we served in different 
times and different theaters, 

468
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,600
and he was primarily a surgeon 
to the Special Operations, but 

469
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:54,000
he said that was his optic as a 
naval surgeon was special 

470
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,300
operations and he commented to 
me, having been a Quantico now, 

471
00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,700
for a few years, I know this is 
67 years ago. 

472
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:05,600
That the average age and I'm 
going to botch the numbers. 

473
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,100
I don't remember the 
conversation. 

474
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:11,300
But the average age of the FBI 
new applicant for agent has 

475
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:15,700
dropped about five years in 
court, his words, not mine, the 

476
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:20,900
maturity level has dropped by a 
belt, That was his observation, 

477
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:25,200
a surgeon man who came out of 
the Special Operations 

478
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,500
Community, not as an operator. 
But if you've ever been in the 

479
00:24:28,508 --> 00:24:30,900
Special Operations Community, 
there's a vibe to it. 

480
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,100
There's a sense of 
professionalism to it would 

481
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:37,600
quickly recognize and I had to 
see where this was happening, 

482
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:44,200
and he was spot on spot on and I
was just it became crystal clear

483
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:51,000
to me why people behave like 
they did on April. 16th of 2013.

484
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,100
So they weren't prepared to take
on some of these they weren't 

485
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,000
prepared to take on these 
challenges because they weren't 

486
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,900
minted in an environment that 
knew how to handle stress. 

487
00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:03,200
That had a blueprint for handle 
stress. 

488
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,900
We used to call it stress 
inoculation when I was going 

489
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,500
through training, they put you 
under artificial stress, so that

490
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,300
you learn that when you have 
real stress, you can operate in 

491
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,900
the same manner you fall back to
the level of your training as 

492
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:15,500
they often do. 
That's not who were training 

493
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:18,100
right now at the FBI Academy. 
That's not what we're bringing 

494
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:19,300
out. 
And you also saw one of the 

495
00:25:19,308 --> 00:25:21,800
first classes, I think mine was 
very early on, if not the 

496
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,100
earliest of the Of the Ada and 
the and the is a roll right now.

497
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:30,800
You supervise IAS you worked 
alongside of soup, special 

498
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,700
agents. 
Did you was there any feedback 

499
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,800
from the field immediately? 
They like this was a great thing

500
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,400
and this was a good idea that 
they were doing this and they 

501
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,700
made sense or was it something 
that you had some concerns about

502
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,100
while you were there? 
My concern started before I went

503
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:43,800
there. 
Okay. 

504
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,700
When Comey came over and took 
over as director of the FBI, he 

505
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:54,800
instituted with a communist call
struggle session and he made it 

506
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,200
mandatory that every SS a 
supervisory special agent and 

507
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,000
every supervisory intelligence 
analysts had to go through this.

508
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Use a communist term struggle 
sessions, but it was basically 

509
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,700
familiarizing yourself with the 
through online courses because 

510
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:13,200
that's the best way to learn the
FBI. 

511
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:17,800
We solve our problems by those 
each job series. 

512
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,300
And then we had to go out to 
California for three days of 

513
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,400
punishment. 
In these large group settings. 

514
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,500
We had these role-plays and 
presentations things of that 

515
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:29,600
nature. 
And it was clear from that point

516
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,700
forward, this is the Kool-Aid, 
you will drink it, you will 

517
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:39,000
smile and say that it's good. 
And that is important. 

518
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,900
Because when you have the whole 
trp process, the Total Resource 

519
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:50,700
correct response program that 
everybody say the same thing. 

520
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:54,200
So critical thinking, dissenting
thoughts not allowed. 

521
00:26:55,500 --> 00:27:00,200
The the entire process is geared
essentially to break down 

522
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,300
opposition to break down what, I
think the Durham report referred

523
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:07,300
to as rigorous analytical 
thinking, which is exactly the 

524
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:09,500
reason why Marcus Allen was 
suspended, right? 

525
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:12,100
I mean that was sort of the, 
that was the flaw right that he 

526
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:14,200
exposed. 
Was that he was trying to think 

527
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:19,400
rigorously and present all sides
of the analysis and when you do 

528
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,900
that, that's how you get 
canceled in the FBI right now 

529
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,900
because it is a culture of 
homogeneity of defend the badge 

530
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,400
of Are all marching forward in 
the same line, Who real brief. 

531
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:30,900
So I came to the bureau from the
National Security Agency. 

532
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,700
Remember, we're going to one of 
my first interagency 

533
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,100
conferences, regarding the 
matter that's not suitable for 

534
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:40,800
discussion. 
And I was throwing out 

535
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,700
challenges to some of the 
assessments that are being, were

536
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,800
being made by ogier other 
government agency, and some 

537
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,500
other FBI, folks. 
And I was quickly pulled into 

538
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,300
the ASAC office for some special
agent in charge. 

539
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,700
I'll have never heard people. 
All the other, you know, 

540
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:59,900
Partners like that. 
And I said, well, this is how 

541
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,400
the of an intelligence 
professional conducts 

542
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000
themselves, they challenge 
assessment, they challenged this

543
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,500
version, he challenged 
hypotheses and make sure that 

544
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:12,300
they're solid. 
It's part of the analytic rigor.

545
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600
That one is supposed to apply 
from the very onset of things, 

546
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,100
but that is not acceptable. 
You here's that. 

547
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,500
Click click click like the 
conductor hands. 

548
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,700
Go up. 
Everybody has the same tune at 

549
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,100
the same time. 
They know. 

550
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,100
The same time, right Garrett. 
Now when you were going through,

551
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,200
you went through the academy a 
couple years after I did, but 

552
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,400
still still in itís, right? 
So my he's being there was an 

553
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,300
analyst there. 
What was the explain sling with 

554
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,600
a culture? 
Looks like when agents who are 

555
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,700
supposed to carry a gun who was 
supposed to not to get rough 

556
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,800
with people who have a physical 
requirement interact with the 

557
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,200
opposite side of the coin, which
is the analytical the indoor 

558
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,700
part into an outdoor dogs. 
It was an interesting 

559
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,800
amalgamation because the first 
Weeks maybe I don't know how 

560
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,600
many maybe like the first 
sticks. 

561
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400
We we literally did everything 
together and then we were still 

562
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,200
integrated. 
But agents started. 

563
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,900
What? 
We both we started breaking off 

564
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,100
and doing different things where
we're going to shoot. 

565
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:14,100
Or we're going to depend of 
driving X or just driving 

566
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,900
defensive tactics work than 
analysts are going and learning 

567
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,900
more of their Niche role. 
And then after a few weeks of 

568
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:23,200
that like when we would come 
back together it was getting 

569
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,100
increasingly rarer and rarer. 
Leading up to the eye as 

570
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,700
graduation. 
It seemed like there was already

571
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,300
like a rift just because we 
hadn't been together much. 

572
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,200
It's a kind of a power Dynamic 
to a close-up. 

573
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,200
Yeah, because they've presented 
you is being equals in the role.

574
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,500
This is the way it has different
rules. 

575
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,900
Yeah. 
So in the military I don't feel 

576
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,000
like there's nearly as much of a
separation between Intel and 

577
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800
operations because they can be 
actually a mesh to because Intel

578
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600
drives what the operations are. 
And there's always going to be 

579
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,000
sort of the, you know, the 
Meathead. 

580
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,800
Is you know, Egghead sort of 
that mentality, right? 

581
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,300
Like that's, that's a natural 
struggle. 

582
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,400
George is nodding. 
George spent a lot of time in 

583
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,100
that thing but there's a lot 
more chance for people who are 

584
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:09,900
in the in the intelligence and 
to be part of operations to the 

585
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,600
point of legitimately embedding 
because they can still carry a 

586
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,400
weapon, they still have their 
basic training that goes along 

587
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,100
with it. 
They may not be the pipe hitting

588
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,900
guy that you know, goes and 
breaches doors everyday, but you

589
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,800
still might want to bring it in 
tell guy for what they call 

590
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,400
sensitive site exploitation. 
So on the rift between that and 

591
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,700
what happens in the Beer hall, 
which is as far more. 

592
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,100
Can I would say a far more is 
the word? 

593
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,100
Well, as if environment in the 
United States, it's not very 

594
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:36,500
dangerous in general. 
We act like they can't be 

595
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,600
outdoors for some reasons. 
And then you build up this 

596
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,200
culture of people that are 
literally scared of their own 

597
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,200
shadows and stay. 
And yeah, well, Daddy, I think 

598
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,800
that even happens to agents 
because of what we do in Hogan's

599
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600
alley. 
But with the I integration a lot

600
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,800
of it is so different and in 
Quantico than it was in real 

601
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,200
life because he acted like Like 
they would have your IA in 

602
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,100
training. 
Come up with questions, come up 

603
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,200
with an Intel product on the, 
you know, the big Capstone case,

604
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,900
that the whole class is working 
on the whole time, and in the 

605
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:09,100
end they would act like the iaea
would go on an interview with 

606
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,200
you, never ever. 
I know what happens, 

607
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,000
occasionally never ever happened
in real life in my experience, 

608
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,400
right? 
Not once not one time. 

609
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,400
Well, there's a big difference 
between someone like the eye is 

610
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,300
that I worked with for the most 
part who were not physically 

611
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:25,000
fit, who didn't have a sense of 
what an external threat. 

612
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,200
Look like who was worried about 
ninjas around every corner or 

613
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,900
they were. 
So they were so out to lunch 

614
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,400
that they couldn't actually 
represent at the human being in 

615
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,900
front of us, may be a threat and
someone like George George who 

616
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:37,800
spent tons of time both down 
Ranch and domestically involved 

617
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,100
in actual legitimate 
interrogations as significant 

618
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,300
training that we talked about 
offline and a lot. 

619
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200
And, and, and I think that some 
of the form to stuff in your, in

620
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,200
your life experience to be 
engaging human beings at a very 

621
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,000
high level to chess game inside 
each other's minds where you can

622
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,100
only get so physical. 
You have to let them know that 

623
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,000
there is no limit, right 
exhausting? 

624
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,300
You're doing it right is 
exhausted? 

625
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,700
Yeah, sure. 
Esther. 

626
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,000
And to be able to have people 
that have that background, which

627
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,400
you which you have, but is not 
necessarily common. 

628
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Because people like Jim Comey 
were now. 

629
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800
Recruiting people who didn't 
have your background that then 

630
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,200
had a Collegiate background 
only. 

631
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,200
I'm going somewhere with this. 
Toxic. 

632
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,800
Yeah. 
Police know how much you weigh 

633
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,500
it right now because I'm gonna 
eventually get to where we're 

634
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,400
going to go and I jump in 
person. 

635
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,900
Yeah, what I want to hear George
was what to say. 

636
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,900
So I wasn't hardness, so when I 
was a field counselor, I had the

637
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,900
opportunity to meet Meet with 
director Comey, a private 

638
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:30,300
luncheon with the other field 
counselors homey and his posse. 

639
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,700
And I had said director after 15
years of war and to theaters and

640
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:39,600
thousands of intelligence 
professionals that have been 

641
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800
trained and either at Fort 
Huachuca or Mitzi Navy Marine 

642
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,000
Corps, intelligence Training 
Center. 

643
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,600
We should take a look at weight,
you know, at least putting aside

644
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,300
the requirement for a four-year 
degree because we Of literally 

645
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,700
tens of thousands of trained 
professionals who have operated 

646
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,500
in a high-speed demanding 
environment, a team environment,

647
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,700
and can we at least look at 
shunting for at least a couple 

648
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:12,200
years during the course of their
Bureau career of requiring, a 

649
00:33:12,208 --> 00:33:16,200
bachelor's degree, and his posse
jumped on me, and rip me to 

650
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,400
shreds like a pack of jackals. 
What was there? 

651
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,500
What was their complaint 
specifically? 

652
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:22,500
Do you remember any of those 
things? 

653
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,100
Obviously they were attacking 
and but do you remember any of 

654
00:33:24,108 --> 00:33:24,900
that? 
You know, is there anything? 

655
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:28,600
And I just it became very 
quickly, like a Family Guy, 

656
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,400
episode, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. 

657
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,700
I it's like okay fine. 
I got it kill me, kill the 

658
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:38,000
message. 
We're done here, I learned so 

659
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,600
much as a field. 
Counselor, as to, why were in 

660
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,100
the position that we're in? 
It was priced. 

661
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Their, did you want to make a 
point real quick about 21 when I

662
00:33:49,208 --> 00:33:52,100
was in Quantico? 
There were some of the I a group

663
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:57,200
who I think are probably doing. 
Absolutely fantastic job. 

664
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:01,300
Because they had the mindset 
different mindset than a lot of 

665
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:04,900
that I types that we might see 
where they want to go out and 

666
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,600
get after it. 
And I think that's great. 

667
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600
And then what you just talked 
about, with bringing that stuff 

668
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,800
up with commis Posse, I think 
goes to the heart of the matter 

669
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,199
would put the FBI, at least for 
me, I've been talking about it a

670
00:34:16,207 --> 00:34:18,800
lot since I've done. 
I'll look is boils down to 

671
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,800
hubris. 
They don't want to hear 

672
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,800
questions and comments like you 
made and then They will attack 

673
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,300
you because it's contrary to 
their fake belief. 

674
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
That they have always done 
everything perfectly and always 

675
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,100
will because it's an institution
of humans and humans are 

676
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:38,199
fallible, and the FBI is 
fallible and they are proving it

677
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,300
time and time again. 
The bureau is more interested in

678
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:45,000
protecting its brand and its 
badge that it is in fact, this 

679
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,400
Elite organization than actually
being an elite organization and 

680
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,400
one of the Hallmarks of truly 
lead organizations is constant 

681
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,900
self-criticism constant look 
Failure and attempting to 

682
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,700
improve. 
And what the bureau is trying to

683
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,600
do is improve image without the 
actual performance to back it 

684
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,000
up. 
It was nothing more funny to me 

685
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,700
than when we were there. 
And they kept saying things 

686
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:08,100
like, you know, this is the 
Premier law enforcement agency 

687
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,600
in the world and like you could 
say that all day long. 

688
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,000
But the more you say it the more
you cheapen it, in fact I would 

689
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,500
argue and I would Advocate any 
of you that are involved in law 

690
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:17,300
enforcement, that happened, 
listen to our podcast. 

691
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000
If you are in a state or a local
entity that does law 

692
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,100
enforcement, I would encourage 
you to always introduce your 

693
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,500
agency. 
Particularly when you talk to 

694
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:28,900
the feds, As the premier law 
enforcement agency in the world,

695
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:30,700
because it's an absurd claim on 
its face. 

696
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,600
And if you can make absurd 
claims with, no need to back 

697
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,400
them up which the bureau does 
regularly, then why shouldn't 

698
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200
you? 
It's, if everyone's going to be,

699
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,400
it's the whole idea that if 
everybody is special to know 

700
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,900
what a special we talked about 
the Beret can sort of an ultra 

701
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,100
that happened in the military. 
For those of you who don't know,

702
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,900
initially the people that were 
raised were people like the 

703
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:51,100
Green Berets which are familiar 
with which is going to be your 

704
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:53,900
special forces. 
We had Special Operations guys 

705
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,900
in general, which was your Your 
75th Ranger regiment and they 

706
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:01,100
all were a beret that's on the 
Army side and on the, on the Air

707
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,100
Force, I don't know if the Navy 
does a beret. 

708
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,400
I'm pretty confident, they do 
not, but the on the air for 

709
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,600
side, we had guys that were in 
the combat control professions 

710
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
people that were like 
pararescueman, these are Elite 

711
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,100
operators as well and they would
wear a special hat that would 

712
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,000
insinuate or show people 
visually in the military is all 

713
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,300
about visuals that they were a 
different type of person. 

714
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,200
They were different type of 
troop. 

715
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:21,900
And then everybody who was in 
the regular troop thing started 

716
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:24,100
getting jealous and that's why 
Security Forces, which is the 

717
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,200
largest part of the are course, 
they all wear a beret. 

718
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,300
They actually took the color in 
the, and the style from combat, 

719
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,200
controls will come back and 
rolled onto another color. 

720
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,800
I know that now, the Army all 
has black. 

721
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,600
And so, these are these, like, 
if everybody needs to be getting

722
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,500
a trophy, if everybody needs to 
feel special, then nobody 

723
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:43,700
special you cheap in those 
words, simply by trying to 

724
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:46,400
universalize it. 
And all this goes to the point 

725
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600
that we're now living in a 
country. 

726
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,300
Everybody wants to be the thing.
They want to be special, they 

727
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:55,000
all want to be included. 
We all need to be gentle. 

728
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,400
And we have to accept all their 
foibles and weirdnesses. 

729
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:59,400
When when I was growing up, 
you're a weirdo. 

730
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,900
You were just a weird out. 
Like, if you wanted to put on 

731
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,500
women's clothing and you were a 
dude, we just called you a 

732
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:04,700
weirdo. 
Like you didn't mean you were a 

733
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,300
bad person, you might be really 
nice but like, hey, you know, 

734
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:12,400
when he goes home, he puts on 
Heels of Corky quirky weird. 

735
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:13,400
You know. 
They were, they were, it was 

736
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,700
almost comedic was almost always
funny. 

737
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:17,800
And everyone, sort of knew that 
drag was not a thing. 

738
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,500
That was regular eyes. 
It was, it was used either in 

739
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,300
comedy and to great effect. 
It was used in entertainment 

740
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,400
purposes. 
Is to highlight certain things, 

741
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,100
but it was always Woman face. 
Everyone knew was a man, 

742
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,000
impersonating a woman. 
And there's an inherent sort of 

743
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,800
comedy about that because we 
can't do it least not well, I 

744
00:37:33,808 --> 00:37:37,300
think to really go along that 
point, it's think it could very 

745
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,400
well be a driving factor in some
of the things we see today. 

746
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,800
We're at the rise in, in 
suicide. 

747
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,100
The rise in almost sexuality and
transgenderism. 

748
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,100
It's part of that egoism that 
humans naturally have, because 

749
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,200
we're sinful beings. 
Where everyone is special, now, 

750
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,500
everyone gets a beret. 
Everyone gets a trophy. 

751
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,800
So what can I do to stand out 
and actually be special? 

752
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:07,000
Oh, I know, now I'm trans or 
whatever the case may be, right?

753
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,200
You have to get, well, it's the 
funniest thing about to me about

754
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,300
identity politics, which I abhor
the minute you get down to the 

755
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:17,100
most granular identity that you 
have. 

756
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,700
And you are now a cisgendered, 
you know, white heterosexual 

757
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:25,100
male, you know, with ADD and 
they list out all your your 

758
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:26,700
disabilities and all of your 
things. 

759
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,300
You know, receding hairline and 
big Burly bearded. 

760
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:31,700
All the things you get down to 
the level of individualism and 

761
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,700
then you're right back where I 
am, which is that I treat 

762
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,800
everybody as an individual. 
And if you're a human being that

763
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,400
sucks. 
I just call you someone who 

764
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,300
sucks. 
And if you don't, and here's 

765
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:44,300
somebody else, to kind of pivot 
to the indoor outdoor dog thing 

766
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,700
we were talking about this 
analyst position versus the 

767
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,400
people who have actual physical 
experience. 

768
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,300
The breakfast conversation we 
had which is where the backswing

769
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:55,400
that we wanted to talk about 
comes from people who have never

770
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,300
seen what violence looks like. 
People who have never seen what 

771
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,900
discomfort and civil unrest, and
what it can do to a country when

772
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,500
it's D stabilized, are the ones 
aggressively advocating for this

773
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:07,000
position and they seem to be 
poking the bear. 

774
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,500
There's a great meme, it's like 
two guys, wearing FBI hats and 

775
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,500
they're poking like a Pepe frog 
and they're like, come on, come 

776
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,200
on, do a terrorism, you know and
and everybody sort of has that 

777
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,200
sense that they're being goaded 
into something. 

778
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,200
They know what it is and they're
avoiding it on purpose, George. 

779
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,200
You've been down range. 
I know that Garrett you've done 

780
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,800
the same thing. 
You guys have gone on the to 

781
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,500
issuing rages. 
We call it sometimes we're here.

782
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,500
You're setting rounds back at 
the things that are coming, you 

783
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:31,900
know, bullets are flying both 
directions and everybody has a 

784
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:35,200
lot of Target. 
When that is the case, I imagine

785
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,900
it's not a thing that you own it
to bring home with you. 

786
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,300
You weren't like oh this is 
amazing. 

787
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,800
Like let's have some to America.
I think the majority of people 

788
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,700
myself included went and did 
that because we wanted to keep 

789
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,300
it there somewhere else not 
here. 

790
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,300
Because why would you ever want 
that? 

791
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:51,900
In your own country, where your 
children are, right. 

792
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,100
Yeah. 
Meek and weaker, not synonyms. 

793
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,400
And they say the meek shall 
inherit the earth. 

794
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,200
What they're talking about is 
people of tremendous strength 

795
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,400
that have controls right over 
that strength and the 

796
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,300
government. 
And this Progressive Movement 

797
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,800
keeps on pushing on Meek people.
And they're misinterpreting 

798
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,200
meekness for weakness and they 
really need to stop because 

799
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,400
they're creating a 
self-fulfilling prophecy. 

800
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:24,900
I see with these rats, that they
seem to be pulling out of thin 

801
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:26,100
air. 
They're not pulling them out of 

802
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:29,900
thin air, their policies are 
creating them just because they 

803
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:32,400
keep on pushing, its it's going 
to happen. 

804
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,900
This reminds me of what you just
said about meekness is not 

805
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:41,600
weakness from Jordan Pederson, 
says harmless man is not a good 

806
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,800
man. 
Good man is a very very 

807
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,200
dangerous man who has it under 
voluntary control and I think 

808
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,500
that that comment is so 
intuitive and especially of our 

809
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,700
war generation, starting in 
2001, and the present, there's a

810
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:03,500
lot of men and women even in 
this country who I've done the 

811
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,700
hard thing because they didn't 
want it to come here, right? 

812
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,800
And they're getting that poke 
and then another one from him. 

813
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,400
I think that Rings true as well 
as if you think tough men are 

814
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,000
dangerous, wait until you see 
what weak men are capable of, 

815
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,000
and I think that's what we are 
seeing our government. 

816
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,700
They so earlier, we were trying 
to get into a quick discussion 

817
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,000
about the ordinary men that what
was the name of the place 

818
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Battalion 105. 
Reserve police baton 101. 

819
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,600
As 101 was a Polish Reserve. 
Police unit in the World War 2 

820
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
era. 
And All the book says that all 

821
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,500
ordinary men, they were butchers
and carpenters, and whatever 

822
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,000
else that they did, and then 
they were mobilized, inactivated

823
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,100
in World War Two. 
And in short order were 

824
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:50,200
slaughtering Jews, you know, 
Full Tilt and it's, it's extra 

825
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,300
poignant for people, the law 
enforcement and military 

826
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:58,200
background, like, we all have 
because we see the depravity of 

827
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,200
man, and what man can be capable
of even when they're just simply

828
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
ordered. 
To do something because that's 

829
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,100
what it boiled down to, for that
unit and many others in World 

830
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:12,000
War Two was while I was ordered 
to do this, right? 

831
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,100
And we see a lot of people in 
the bureau sort of those orders.

832
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,700
I know a lot of police officers 
must struggle with that, and 

833
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,800
many of them have fallen on the 
wrong side, where they are 

834
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,400
saying, you know, I'm told to 
shut down this restaurant 

835
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,700
because of covid policies and 
they no inherent made that 

836
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,500
telling someone that they cannot
make a living that they cannot 

837
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:28,900
go to the job that they have to 
support. 

838
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,300
Their family is not a thing that
they would willingly accept. 

839
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,000
If they were told to stay home, 
they might still. 

840
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,800
He's the streets because they 
know what needs to be done. 

841
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,100
And and yet a lot of people more
and more are falling that route.

842
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,200
I like the when I was when I was
in the military my one of my 

843
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,500
team Sergeant, he's a really 
good guy. 

844
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,300
He's a special operator would 
always say, never mistake my 

845
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:48,400
kindness for weakness as a 
leader. 

846
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,400
This is a very common experience
that we here. 

847
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,600
I had a guy in the Army who say 
maybe it's ubiquitous I feel 

848
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,100
like almost all Marines almost 
all army guys. 

849
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,000
They understand that there is 
the kindness for weakness 

850
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,400
problem. 
The weakness and meekness issue 

851
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,000
is someone who has tremendous 
Des capabilities. 

852
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,100
They bring the ability to meet 
out violence but they have the 

853
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,300
humility to know that is not 
appropriate. 

854
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,500
It is not the tool. 
We talk about flipping the 

855
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,700
switch sometimes in the 
communities where guys have the 

856
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,200
ability to go from everyday 
laughable, we had a nice 

857
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,700
breakfast. 
We're drinking coffee, we're 

858
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:20,600
smoking and joking. 
We're talking about our kids, 

859
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,300
we're showing photos if somebody
came through that door and 

860
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:26,300
pointed an AK at the, at the 
receptionist, the hotel and 

861
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:28,900
said, we're taking over this 
building, it's time to start 

862
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:30,900
ending people's lives. 
We have to do it aggressively. 

863
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,000
If you have to do it violently 
and it's no more fun time. 

864
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,800
And we may not walk out of it, 
okay? 

865
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,400
But that's, that's something you
accept as somebody who has that 

866
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,200
skill set. 
It's the same folks. 

867
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,000
We were kind of laughing about 
this. 

868
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000
This morning, Garrett's beard is
kind of Woolly and powerful and 

869
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,300
I found a shirt in Texas, which 
I got to find him. 

870
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,500
We might make a suspended as 
version of it, but it says, with

871
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:51,400
great beard comes great 
responsibility. 

872
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,400
We all sort of know that when 
you have these Powers, when you 

873
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,200
are able to inflict violence. 
Then your job is to not inflict 

874
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,500
violence that is who of time 
until it's time. 

875
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,000
Yeah, it's not. 
It's remember the movie Road. 

876
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:05,400
House. 
Oh yeah, so one of the reasons 

877
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,700
why that movie was so great is 
because Patrick Swayze's 

878
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:10,500
character who was capable of 
tremendous violence and was able

879
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:14,100
to fight at a high level chose, 
not to until it was necessary 

880
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,800
for him to do so. 
And so when Patrick Swayze's 

881
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,500
character, you know, he says if 
they come in the bar and they 

882
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:22,800
want to get Rowdy, we ask them 
to sit down and we be nice. 

883
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:24,400
He says if they come out and 
they want to, you know, do 

884
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,800
things, we buy him a drink, we 
tell him to take it easy, take a

885
00:44:26,808 --> 00:44:29,600
load off, do it nicely? 
We do all these things. 

886
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,700
We keep doing, like he said, I 
want you to be nice until it's 

887
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:34,400
time. 
Not be nice. 

888
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,800
And that's one of the great 
lines coming out of the 80s and 

889
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,900
understanding that having that 
tremendous strength having the 

890
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,400
nuclear Arsenal that we had. 
Because these are a lot of them 

891
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,800
are products of that cold world 
mentality, that cold war 

892
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,000
mentality, rather we knew 
instinctively that you have. 

893
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,400
This thing you could do this 
thing, but if we do it mutually 

894
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,100
assured. 
Destruction was a real concept. 

895
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:52,800
I grew up knowing it. 
I know you did. 

896
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,200
I know you actually lived at an 
operational, doctor, we came 

897
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,700
close to it. 
And and when you have that sort 

898
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,600
of attitude, you avoid it at all
costs on purpose because the 

899
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,900
alternative is that she is 
involved in Total War and 

900
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:08,900
unfortunately right now, it 
feels like this country is 

901
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:12,800
aggressively pushing political 
left, specifically, these indoor

902
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,200
types that think that they are 
on the same capabilities and Par

903
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,500
of real, then women who know 
what vials really looks like. 

904
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,500
And they're going to try to push
him up to the brink, because 

905
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:22,900
they think it serves their 
purposes. 

906
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,400
And, and that to me is 
terrifying because we did this 

907
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,200
once before, in the early 90s, 
we saw the Ruby Ridge, we saw an

908
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,200
empathy mcveigh's, they were 
Fringe at the Right, right. 

909
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,400
But in many ways, those guys 
looked up and they saw the same 

910
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,500
things, we're seeing a much 
smaller ways and it causes them 

911
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:40,100
to act and I don't condone any 
of it. 

912
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:43,100
I think Timothy McVeigh was like
monster Beech Hill children and 

913
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:47,100
yet the sentiment that he had is
building more sympathy. 

914
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,100
In the same way, that people who
go back and read the Unabomber 

915
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,600
is Manifesto today. 
And I don't know if you've ever 

916
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,100
read Tim kaczynski's, Ted, Ted 
Kaczynski. 

917
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,800
Yeah, uncle Ted. 
And the cat, there's actually 

918
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,200
one that says, Uncle Ted's cabin
established, like whatever, 

919
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,700
whatever they took it down. 
I'm here I remember who going 

920
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,900
and being arrested and thinking 
like oh my God, look at this. 

921
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,300
Guy like he was a monster. 
He was mailing package bombs, 

922
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,300
but then you go back and read 
why he was and you go. 

923
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,900
Okay, he was a monster. 
He had terrible ideas and he 

924
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,300
enacted them in a bad way and 
obviously hurt people that were 

925
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,200
unrelated. 
I'm it was a totally diseas'd 

926
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,700
mine action and yet the problems
that he saw, and that he was 

927
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:21,700
trying to address were real, he 
just didn't understand how to 

928
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:23,300
handle it because he was an 
analytical type. 

929
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,600
And, you know, he basically Veer
off on a hard right on an, you 

930
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
know, an exit ramp that, nobody 
should exit off on. 

931
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:34,100
But his assessment of technology
and the Connective human beings 

932
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,000
and all those things really were
almost prophetic, which is 

933
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,700
bizarre and fun to say as a 
former FBI agent. 

934
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:41,300
Can I bring this back to our 
discussion? 

935
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,600
Literally five minutes ago 
because we have a foot move that

936
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,600
far from what we're talking 
about. 

937
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Here is dissenting opinion which
should be always embraced. 

938
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,400
Yes I was very sour on Edward 
Snowden when it first went South

939
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:57,300
and he went to Russia until I 
listen to him, I think for 

940
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:03,400
almost six hours on Joe Rogan 
and it changed my thinking And 

941
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:06,200
if you're going to insult, if 
one is going to insulate 

942
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,400
themselves from contrary thought
and insist even through the use 

943
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,700
of governmental violence, the 
live with inside of a 

944
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:21,400
hermetically-sealed bubble, it's
a formula for, for greater 

945
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,800
concert. 
So I would argue it were much 

946
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,500
better off. 
Listening to dissenting points 

947
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,000
of view but like really 
listening active listening 

948
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,300
skills. 
Cuz it may mediate some of your 

949
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,400
thoughts mitigate, you know, 
immediate yeah. 

950
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,500
Media, some of your thoughts as 
well as the person with whom 

951
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:45,100
you're having the exchange with 
but that is not allowed anymore,

952
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,900
right? 
So I engage with a guy named 

953
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:50,200
David Weissman on Twitter the 
other day and David Wiseman 

954
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,200
story apparently was that he was
just like rabid pro-trump guy. 

955
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,400
He's Jewish, he was a veteran, 
he was H chaplains assistant in 

956
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,100
the Army. 
So he's a military veteran and I

957
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,100
don't know enough about the 
chaplains, assistance, roll, On 

958
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,400
the Army side, but I intend to 
ask him and I just end up on 

959
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,900
Twitter and we saying these 
things and it's like IV. 

960
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:08,500
Emily disagree with almost 
everything you say. 

961
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:10,600
But you started in a place where
you believed a lot of the same 

962
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,500
things that I did and I was 
never a pro trunk guy in a 

963
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:15,500
vehement way. 
Like I like Trump policies. 

964
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:18,500
Trump actually earned my vote 
between 2016 and 2020, which I 

965
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:20,100
think is an interesting thing 
for the suspense was like, we 

966
00:48:20,107 --> 00:48:22,700
were never like Maga guys. 
I don't own a MAG, a hat, I own 

967
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,200
a red hat because it triggers 
people. 

968
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,600
I think it's funny but has 
nothing on it and I may get 

969
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,800
something in, you know, I wanted
to say, make steak make America 

970
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
steak again, because I really 
love steak, and I just think 

971
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,500
that's Funny and I'm making fun 
of vegans is the thing that I 

972
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,800
find amusing. 
If you're a vegan deal with it, 

973
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,400
like I don't really care. 
You're allowed to not eat meat. 

974
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,400
I'm just going to eat two 
animals for everyone that you 

975
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,000
don't. 
And so this is kind of the 

976
00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:46,400
mindset that I have and then I 
engage them. 

977
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,900
I said, would you be willing to 
sit down? 

978
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:50,000
I was like, I don't agree with 
almost anything you say what I 

979
00:48:50,008 --> 00:48:52,700
can tell, but I'd love to know 
how you and I are seeing either 

980
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:56,400
different information and coming
up with these different ideas or

981
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:58,500
we're seeing the same 
information and it's tilting you

982
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,000
the opposite way that it tells 
me because I want to know what 

983
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,500
why the hell are you thinking 
like that? 

984
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:04,900
And and let's have that 
interesting dialogue. 

985
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,700
And if it convinces people away 
from what I believe, fantastic 

986
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:09,700
like, I don't care, I want 
people to understand back up 

987
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,900
their opinions but there's a 
small possibility we talked and 

988
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,800
we find common ground that we 
both want to see our children 

989
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,300
live successfully that we want 
them to be unimpeded and be able

990
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:19,200
to be raised in certain ways. 
I bet you there's more things 

991
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,400
that David Knight agree on even 
though politically and on 

992
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,800
Twitter, you know, he's out 
there like cheering on, you 

993
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,200
know, all the destruction of 
anything that is against his 

994
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,800
ideology, that seems to be this.
This you cannot accept even a 

995
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:35,900
common And with your enemy even 
even in World War one when we 

996
00:49:35,908 --> 00:49:38,300
were dealing with some of the 
most obnoxious and disgusting 

997
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,200
forms of truth of trench 
warfare. 

998
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:43,600
You know, the men from Western 
cultures got together and 

999
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,400
celebrated Christmas in the 
middle of the no man's land. 

1000
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,000
And that to me, tells me that we
have lost something because that

1001
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000
was about as dehumanizing as 
well as you can get. 

1002
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,700
You were being shelled into 
Oblivion by someone who you 

1003
00:49:53,707 --> 00:49:56,300
could physically, eyeball and 
see and they were dropping 

1004
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:59,300
artillery on your heads and 
still, those people knew that 

1005
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:00,900
they were human beings who had 
families that were going to come

1006
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:03,000
and celebrate Christmas. 
There was a truce Was signed 

1007
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,800
overnight. 
You can only imagine how intense

1008
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,700
that was probably on the bodies 
of their friends that they were 

1009
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:09,400
walking between to get there and
then they celebrated Christmas 

1010
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,000
in different languages and they 
went back they went back to war 

1011
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,500
the next day. 
Dehumanizing, who danger? 

1012
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:20,300
It really is, I mean once human 
beings become something, 

1013
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,500
non-human something that has to 
be slaughtered and moved out of 

1014
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:28,300
your way and their history 
modern and Modern Man, history 

1015
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:32,300
of man is Rife with, you know, 
thousands and thousands of 

1016
00:50:32,308 --> 00:50:33,300
examples. 
Samples of that. 

1017
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,700
Just because we're living today 
in the 21st century doesn't mean

1018
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:41,500
that we cannot get to 
dehumanization again. 

1019
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,100
I mean, we're already seeing 
some of those kinds of things in

1020
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,200
North Korea and China with the 
uyghurs and other parts of the 

1021
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,500
world. 
We're seeing human trafficking 

1022
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,700
and numbers that we haven't seen
since the British and the United

1023
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:56,500
States. 
Later on helped end the slave 

1024
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:00,400
trade. 
Dehumanizing is a slippery 

1025
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,200
slope. 
No question about it. 

1026
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,200
It comes from a therapy 
background and so she spent she 

1027
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,400
has a master's degree in 
counseling. 

1028
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,500
We talk a lot about that. 
I learned a lot of counseling, 

1029
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,600
speak listening to her, talk to 
her friends, and some of these 

1030
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,300
kind of conversations when 
there's three women counselors 

1031
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:16,500
together that are talking about 
whatever they clock about and my

1032
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,100
wife wouldn't take any umbrage 
with me saying it that way, he's

1033
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,800
always walking on what are you 
chickens clucking about? 

1034
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:25,000
Just Piper Alpha them and they 
would always like, well you had 

1035
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,100
a good day, they clock about it 
and then they go back to know 

1036
00:51:27,107 --> 00:51:28,300
anything. 
But one of the things that they 

1037
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:31,300
discussed in this the term, it's
called other ring, which is a 

1038
00:51:31,308 --> 00:51:33,800
very leftist way of looking at 
It's a very gentle sort of 

1039
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,600
software. 
But other thing is to say, I am 

1040
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,800
creating that divide that rip at
dehumanization. 

1041
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,200
I'm making you an other and the 
minute it becomes an other. 

1042
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,300
Now you're them, they are doing 
this. 

1043
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,400
We are doing something 
different. 

1044
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,800
And that wedge that do that 
divided wedge creates 

1045
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,300
opportunities for looking at the
other as a real foe, once you 

1046
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:55,700
other people. 
And we started doing that this 

1047
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,600
country in a big way. 
Yeah, what we did was in and you

1048
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,900
saw through a lot of the codes. 
So they made people choose a 

1049
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:05,300
side And the side was, are you 
with us or you with them? 

1050
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:08,200
And rather than saying, the way 
that we've always done this 

1051
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,800
country, you can have religious 
differences. 

1052
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,800
You can agree not to do 
something that everybody else 

1053
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,300
does. 
If you choose to do that, no big

1054
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,500
deal. 
You just during this one part of

1055
00:52:16,508 --> 00:52:18,900
the time, you do something 
different because you have an 

1056
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,300
accommodation for it. 
But, you know, and I know that 

1057
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:22,400
they didn't allow that sort of 
thing. 

1058
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,800
But then talk about what that 
look like. 

1059
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Being on the inside, you are a 
very different field office. 

1060
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,500
I know you saw Austin. 
I'd love for you guys to kind of

1061
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:30,600
discuss the other thing that 
happened even within our agency 

1062
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,600
as a microcosm country. 
Well, and And we touched on a 

1063
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,500
think, at dinner last night or 
maybe it was breakfast, but with

1064
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:42,300
this country sought happen in 
real time, we saw it happen now.

1065
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,500
People, especially those who are
really paying attention and 

1066
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:47,800
looking back and seeing that 
things may have gotten a little 

1067
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,600
bit back to normal, but we can 
never forget what those who 

1068
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,300
three years was like in this 
country and it was worse 

1069
00:52:56,300 --> 00:53:00,000
elsewhere and it was worse in 
Australia, New Zealand, it was 

1070
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,700
worse and that that other fact 
that we saw from inside was You 

1071
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:11,400
must do what we say or else and 
we were both recipients of that.

1072
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,300
And In law enforcement, we 
talked about China earlier. 

1073
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,300
There's no coincidences, I don't
think there are in life and in 

1074
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:22,400
law enforcement, I learned that 
quick and then part of my faith 

1075
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:24,800
really is help. 
What solidified that. 

1076
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,700
And so when you see that other 
ring happen inside the most 

1077
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,800
powerful law-enforcement agency 
in the world, it's a scary place

1078
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,100
to be because sure inside the 
own agency. 

1079
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,400
Now you are one of the others 
because you didn't want to get a

1080
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,900
vaccine. 
You didn't want to attest. 

1081
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,000
You didn't want to submit a 
religious accommodation because 

1082
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,700
you should Have had to because 
you do have a reasonable belief,

1083
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:49,400
I shouldn't have to write 15 
pages about that as to why you 

1084
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,800
should let me live my life, the 
way I want and not put in 

1085
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,400
injection in me that I don't 
want to get or whatever else. 

1086
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,000
And so you, it came to a point 
where the the quote-unquote 

1087
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,100
rules literally were, if you're 
not vaccinated, you must wear 

1088
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:04,800
mask. 
And so there's now your symbol 

1089
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,100
of being another very everyone. 
Yeah. 

1090
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,800
People always said, oh you guys 
are drawing, this really like 

1091
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,900
start parallel you're trying to 
act like this is like the 

1092
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:14,600
Holocaust And the answer was 
always the same for me. 

1093
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,000
You can tell me if you agree 
with this one Sergeant, but I 

1094
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,000
always said that we aren't being
treated like the Jews in the 

1095
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,500
Holocaust. 
Our government is beginning to 

1096
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,400
act like the Nazis and that 
should be terrifying because it 

1097
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,400
didn't start with death camps, 
but it never starts with death 

1098
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,900
caps, it starts with 
dehumanizing and part of that 

1099
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:36,200
wedge was wearing a mask. 
Was you have to go and go test 

1100
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,600
for covid, Every 72 hours and 
you're different. 

1101
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,400
And I guess you're unclean. 
And you've now basically created

1102
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,100
this thing where it's like, what
He's one of the guys that has to

1103
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,900
go and test so and now it's on 
everybody's timesheet. 

1104
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,100
And so now the time figures who 
never met, you know, one thing 

1105
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:50,900
about you you're a non-compliant
prosperous and I was a 

1106
00:54:50,908 --> 00:54:54,200
non-compliant problem. 
And so by being that person you 

1107
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,500
have created that other and how 
many of those people do? 

1108
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,900
We know? 
And just are small circle, every

1109
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,300
single one just about was in 
that camp every single one of 

1110
00:55:02,308 --> 00:55:03,600
the whistleblowers that I know 
of. 

1111
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:07,400
So do they have a list with our 
names on it? 

1112
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,600
Absolutely. 
Every single person in the FBI 

1113
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,300
roughly 3,000 of us, They have a
list of our names because we 

1114
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,800
were required to provide some 
information to them. 

1115
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,100
After the executive order, one 
4043 was signed on September 9th

1116
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:25,200
2021. 
And in short order, we did 

1117
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,600
provide that we had two and they
had a list and ask forward a 

1118
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,400
year and people started getting 
taken off that list because they

1119
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,800
were removed from the agency. 
And you know, people do always 

1120
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,000
jump right to death camps and 
1945 when America discovered 

1121
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,200
that And most of the world 
didn't know only really at that 

1122
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,900
point. 
Only Germany, new. 

1123
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,900
And then people like, oh my 
gosh, this is a lot worse than 

1124
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:53,800
we thought, let's rewind because
a so I want to hear what George 

1125
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,300
saw in Boston because we had 
different field offices. 

1126
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,800
I experienced something out of 
Albuquerque's, you experience it

1127
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,300
of Kansas City, and you were in 
Boston, which is a very Catholic

1128
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,900
city, right? 
And I don't think that the point

1129
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:06,100
of view was that different in 
Boston, which is really, I think

1130
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:09,500
probably the most distressing 
point is that the reaction 

1131
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,200
across the bureau and across the
nation was homogeneous. 

1132
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:16,600
Has. 
It was clear clearly visible 

1133
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:22,900
separation from the unclean and 
those who were compliant. 

1134
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,100
And it got to the point where 
those of us who didn't agree 

1135
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:32,800
with some of the, the covid 
policies would meet in be, would

1136
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:38,600
instant message each other and 
then meet in some Third party 

1137
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,100
location that we were we were 
pasted on the ground, right? 

1138
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:47,400
It just to be able to discuss 
out loud because even to voice a

1139
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,700
difference of opinion. 
If someone could hear it, you'd 

1140
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,200
be up on the eighth floor, 
explaining to your boss, 

1141
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:58,400
y-you're not ascribing to this 
prescribed line of thinking. 

1142
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,600
And so the wild thing, for a lot
of people on one of the reasons 

1143
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,600
why I came up with the group I 
did, which ended up being a 

1144
00:57:03,607 --> 00:57:05,900
group of a lot of them being 
whistleblowers, which is very 

1145
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:07,300
strange. 
And I, when I talked, People who

1146
00:57:07,308 --> 00:57:08,500
have listened to me, speak 
publicly. 

1147
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,200
I say there's a couple hundred 
that were involved. 

1148
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,900
We created a group, but it 
wasn't to whistle blow. 

1149
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:13,500
It wasn't to go say that they 
were things going wrong in the 

1150
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:15,700
FBI specific to the National 
Standard. 

1151
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:18,100
What we were talking about was 
is that they were treating 

1152
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:21,000
everybody wrong internally and 
that led everybody to the 

1153
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,200
Natural outgrowth to look. 
What else are they screwing up? 

1154
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,000
What else are they doing in 
this? 

1155
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,600
Crazy way. 
But, very effectively, they 

1156
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,100
divided and conquered. 
They made people feel like an 

1157
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:30,900
island. 
And when you're, when you're an 

1158
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:32,600
island, you basically have two 
options. 

1159
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,800
Maybe three. 
One of them is that you can 

1160
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,600
submit to the authority, which 
The goal. 

1161
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,500
They wanted to show that you 
were completely outnumbered and 

1162
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:42,500
you had no other option other 
than to go forward and join the 

1163
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:44,200
majority. 
And that was a strong peer 

1164
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,500
pressure tactics. 
Any people submitted a second 

1165
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:49,500
thing is a lot of people left 
the FBI so they drove out those 

1166
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,500
that were not going to be 
complicit that we're not going 

1167
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:53,900
to homogenize and be part of the
sort of echo chamber. 

1168
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,300
Any of that rigorous analytical 
thought that said look, is there

1169
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,900
another way that we should be 
doing this that got thrown out? 

1170
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:00,600
And I think many of you 
experienced that in your jobs as

1171
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,300
well, it didn't happen in, just 
the FBI didn't happen in just 

1172
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,000
the federal government which was
the largest employer, they were 

1173
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,100
actually aggressively applying 
the same sort of pressure 

1174
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:12,200
tactics into Private Industry. 
And so we saw the same things 

1175
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,000
happen in the transportation 
industry, in the medical field, 

1176
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,500
especially in the medical field,
a bunch of other places where 

1177
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,400
they were trying to get a 
modulus thought. 

1178
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,400
And anybody that was a 
dissenting opinion was getting 

1179
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,200
pushed out and a lot of those 
people, those defending opinions

1180
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,400
also, turn out to be people who 
have a pretty good concept of 

1181
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,400
what it looks like overseas to 
see violence. 

1182
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,700
And so you've now marginalized 
and tried to other and 

1183
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:37,000
dehumanize people who know what 
that looks like and that is 

1184
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,100
Incredibly scary weird, you 
know, poke the Frog moment where

1185
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:43,400
it's like, go on, do something 
act out and then we'll show you 

1186
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,500
how aggressive it is. 
I think we talked about it. 

1187
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:48,700
George, I'm going to throw it 
back of you by Dimension that 

1188
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:51,600
you need f-15s in order to 
overthrow the government. 

1189
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,100
Yeah. 
I think I'm a misquote, mm. 

1190
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:55,500
I'm sure somebody will correct 
me. 

1191
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:57,600
Probably not in the chat, but 
maybe from the White House. 

1192
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,000
You think you're going to take 
over the government with your 

1193
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,400
AR-15s, we have f-15s personal 
that's patently offensive for 

1194
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,900
the president of the United 
States. 

1195
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:09,600
My president, whether I voted 
for him or not, doesn't matter. 

1196
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:15,200
He stole my president to make a 
blatant threat of violence 

1197
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,600
towards his own citizenry is 
problematic, but then just a 

1198
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,000
complete lack of understanding 
of how insurgencies work. 

1199
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,300
The Taliban was able to hold on,
for 20 years with AK-47s, AK-74 

1200
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:32,000
is bold action, and Fields. 
Felt, you know, fed machine, 

1201
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,400
guns and RPGs and you know hand 
launched rockets for 20 years 

1202
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,900
and then over A superpower. 
So I think kind of short-sighted

1203
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,700
to say. 
Wow, we got f-15s. 

1204
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,900
Yeah, you also have a couple 
million highly-trained 

1205
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:53,400
well-armed Patriots who actually
believe in the Bill of Rights 

1206
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,900
and believe in the right to 
self-determination. 

1207
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:59,500
This is not where we want to be 
going as a country. 

1208
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,700
Now, and Americans have far 
better privately-held weapon 

1209
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:06,200
systems and almost any other 
country on the planet, it was a 

1210
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,700
discussion at some With that 
said, over fifty percent of the 

1211
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:12,200
private arms in the world are 
owned by Americans, you know? 

1212
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,500
And a very, very small 
population compared to some of 

1213
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:16,300
the larger places, you think 
about the types. 

1214
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,300
I mean, there are people in this
country and we probably know 

1215
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:19,800
some of them. 
I know some of them that on 

1216
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,400
belt-fed machine guns, there are
people that own cannons, there 

1217
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,100
are people that privately owned 
tanks in this country and the 

1218
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:27,800
other thing you have to assume 
that I think is absolutely 

1219
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,100
something you cannot assume is 
that there's some sort of 

1220
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:33,000
homogeneity in the military, 
we've all worked and we 

1221
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,100
understand what kind of people 
these are, there is no 

1222
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:38,400
homogeneity in the military that
says Every single unlawful 

1223
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,100
order. 
I will follow a large fraction 

1224
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:42,800
of people know better. 
We know Pilots that descended 

1225
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,000
from these opinions that said 
look I have a right to bodily 

1226
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,900
autonomy even in spite of this 
thing because of the certain 

1227
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,100
laws are set up to protect the 
anthrax vaccine went through and

1228
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:53,100
and already determined this 
there's case law in favor of 

1229
01:00:53,107 --> 01:00:56,400
these guys opinions. 
So there are certain objections 

1230
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,200
you can make. 
And of course, now by 

1231
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,700
Administration has shown that 
they were weak on the, on the 

1232
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,100
vaccine idea, they pulled away 
in spite of the fact that they 

1233
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:05,800
had injunctions. 
In the fifth circuit, there was 

1234
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,700
an en banc review that said 
that, they Were wrong that it 

1235
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:10,500
was unconstitutional to begin 
with so all the stuff came back 

1236
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:13,100
on them and rather than hold and
say no we have the courage of 

1237
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:15,500
our convictions, we are correct.
We in fact are doing the right 

1238
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:17,700
thing, they said the courts are 
going to rule against us. 

1239
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:20,000
We're going to try to save that 
precedent, so we can do it again

1240
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,800
and they withdrew their mandate.
So they said, now you no longer 

1241
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,700
have standing. 
I hope that doesn't work. 

1242
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:27,100
I hope that it actually gets a 
full determination because we 

1243
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,100
need some case law that says 
they can't do it. 

1244
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,500
The left is more than happy to 
push the legal aspect of it, 

1245
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:34,700
right? 
And say even though we're wrong 

1246
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:37,000
and we know from the beginning, 
we're going to impose this 

1247
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,100
Incredible burden falls on you 
and make you stand for your 

1248
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:41,000
pencils and we're eventually 
going to crush you with them and

1249
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,200
if you don't you're a bad person
correct it made them became a 

1250
01:01:43,207 --> 01:01:46,400
moral argument. 
Yeah, every level I think that 

1251
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,100
new executive order, now 
rescinding the vaccine mandate 

1252
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:51,500
goes right back to what we're 
talking about earlier and 

1253
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:53,600
arbitrary or unrestrained, use 
of power. 

1254
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,900
That's exactly what that is, who
forced people are less. 

1255
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,300
I mean, I guess you always have 
a choice but more, unless you 

1256
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:02,200
force people to get a vaccine 
that many of them didn't want, 

1257
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,500
but they got it because they 
thought I can't lose my job over

1258
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:05,500
this. 
I have a family to feed or 

1259
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:09,600
whatever and now, Now, they 
can't get that out of their 

1260
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,300
body, right now, you told them, 
I actually don't have to get it 

1261
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,900
a permanent change, right? 
We're at the hour mark, so that 

1262
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,600
went fast, quickly. 
Rather I will have George 

1263
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:19,500
closing. 
Thoughts long or short on 

1264
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:24,300
America as we stand right now? 
I'm sorry. 

1265
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:25,600
I'd like to stay on long on 
America. 

1266
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,300
I think we're headed to a very 
dark place that I pray every 

1267
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:34,700
day, doesn't fix it passes Us by
the strong closet. 

1268
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:36,300
You mentioned that the moving 
storm front. 

1269
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:40,000
Okay. 
Garrett, move that stuff. 

1270
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,100
It's, I don't know when I'm 
hopeful. 

1271
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,000
I'm really hopeful that we're 
turning a corner because people 

1272
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,300
are seeing what we're seeing 
seeing what we're talking about.

1273
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:53,100
And I guess I saw that, too, and
then on top of it. 

1274
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,600
One side is doing less to prop 
America up. 

1275
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,600
The other side is doing more, 
we're going back to our faith, 

1276
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,600
we're going back to Our Roots, 
we're reading, and technology is

1277
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,700
great. 
In the sense that we can easily 

1278
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:09,300
do a podcast from a hotel. 
We can easily search things and 

1279
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:11,600
put them other than for the 
helicopters in the beginning. 

1280
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,300
It's not that easy. 
Yeah. 

1281
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:18,100
We, you know, we're having more 
kids and hopefully raising them 

1282
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:21,700
in a God-fearing way. 
So for me, it's my faith. 

1283
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,200
It's I know God's hand is on 
Overall. 

1284
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:27,600
And so when I'm hopeful, I 
think, maybe we can turn a 

1285
01:03:27,607 --> 01:03:30,500
corner back for good on my worst
days. 

1286
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:33,900
I realized, the Bible tells us 
many times that Satan is the one

1287
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:39,000
who controls this Earth, and 
that's allowed by God's hand, 

1288
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,000
but all things eventually work 
together for his purpose. 

1289
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,500
So, I know the ending already 
regardless of what happens if 

1290
01:03:46,508 --> 01:03:49,100
America totally fair point. 
I'm going to end it on saying 

1291
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,800
that unlike the waffling. 
I actually feel long America but

1292
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,600
only in the law. 
I think in the near term. 

1293
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,900
I think George is 100%. 
Correct. 

1294
01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:57,600
I think we're going to see the 
storm clouds gather. 

1295
01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,600
We're going to see something 
uncomfortable, we're going to 

1296
01:03:59,607 --> 01:04:01,700
see difficulties and that's 
going to be the difficult times 

1297
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:04,000
that turn to make strong men 
sort of from our children's 

1298
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,400
generation. 
So the longer we stretch this 

1299
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,600
thing out on the timeline and I 
think Georgia Greece when the 

1300
01:04:07,607 --> 01:04:09,700
cold front comes in, it brings 
in that storm. 

1301
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:12,300
I love that analogy. 
It's that's a crushing area who 

1302
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:14,500
were rushing here comes in 
afterwards and what does it make

1303
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:16,000
it makes for a long growing 
season? 

1304
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,500
After that all the parts you 
have to have movement of air. 

1305
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,300
We've had a static situation. 
This country that has festered, 

1306
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:23,100
that is rotted. 
That is got to the point where 

1307
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,600
there's A lot of energy, there 
is ready to be an electrical 

1308
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,100
storm. 
There is going to be all those 

1309
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:29,700
things, we can feel those clouds
build up, but when the Dam 

1310
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:32,500
breaks and the water comes down,
and watched everything clean and

1311
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:35,000
wake up in the morning, the 
sunshine is clear and blue and 

1312
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,900
it's, you know, dropped 50 
degrees and everything feels 

1313
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:38,400
great. 
That's kind of how I see this 

1314
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,900
thing going. 
It won't be easy, but it will be

1315
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:44,500
simple to just ride out and 
maintain principal. 

1316
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:47,300
You want seconds when that storm
passes through, there will be 

1317
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:49,600
some damage that will be our 
neighbors or need help. 

1318
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:53,000
So take advantage of that cool 
air when it arrives because 

1319
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,400
we're going to Well, and help 
our neighbors. 

1320
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,500
That's right. 
End of the day. 

1321
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,000
That's always my recommendation 
to people. 

1322
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,800
I do folks, you probably know I 
do a lot of Twitter spaces in 

1323
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,100
the one thing that I always tell
is that if you want to make a 

1324
01:05:02,107 --> 01:05:03,700
difference, you have to do it 
locally. 

1325
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,900
You have to go out and meet your
friends that you don't know. 

1326
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:07,600
Are your friends yet? 
Go knock on your neighbor's 

1327
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,600
doors. 
If you've never met them. 

1328
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,800
If you live in a traditional 
American neighborhood, where you

1329
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,700
got 20 doors on either side of 
you and you don't know the 

1330
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:15,000
people that live there, go 
figure out their names, find out

1331
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,600
who they are now, because you're
gonna need them later and 

1332
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,300
they're going to need you in a 
big way. 

1333
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:21,300
I have a brand new house we just
moved into, we've been in there 

1334
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,000
for 60 days and I know five of 
the there's already in the 

1335
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,800
neighborhood, which is pretty 
darn good for most Americans 

1336
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,000
situation and and they're 
wonderful people. 

1337
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,300
And most of them tend to agree 
with us. 

1338
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:31,900
Some of them might even be 
listening to our podcast right 

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now, which is kind of amazing. 
My neighbor. 

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Corey is a really nice guy. 
My name is Steve is a really 

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01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,400
nice guy. 
I know a lot of Steve's and my 

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01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,400
neighbor James, who lives, right
next door, isn't as a Kenyan 

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01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,900
immigrants, he's a wonderful 
person. 

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01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:44,400
He's interested in be farming 
and has a piece of property that

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he's building, you know, like 
the American dream, he's 

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01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,600
building his own house with his 
own, two hands. 

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So I wouldn't know that if I 
didn't go and say hello and 

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engage with those people. 
So go and meet your neighbors, 

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01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:55,400
the Used to do. 
I saw someone saying Gen-X 

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01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,000
standing strong Gen-X used to go
and play with their neighbors 

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,600
outside, they would go out and 
do things that were fun with the

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people that were around them. 
So when the times were tough, 

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,800
they knew who to knock on to 
borrow a cup of sugar. 

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01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:09,400
They knew who to go say, hey my 
powers out, I need some help. 

1355
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,200
Can you help me flip the circuit
breaker? 

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,300
They go to their friends, who 
was an electrician or hey, our 

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01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:14,700
water is not working and we got 
a water maid. 

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01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:16,300
You have a you have a wrench to 
be able to open it. 

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,600
There used to be a culture in 
this country that did that and 

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,700
we can get back to it. 
If we are just willing to kind 

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01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:22,800
of step outside that comfort 
zone. 

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01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,200
So once again, I thank you so 
much folks for joining us. 

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01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,000
If you want to follow this 
podcast, you can hit subscribe 

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,000
right down below. 
Is you can also give us the 

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01:06:31,008 --> 01:06:32,200
thumbs up. 
We appreciate that. 

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01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,400
And if you want to hear more of 
it, by all means. 

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,000
Send it to your friends. 
It'll keep going out there. 

1368
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,900
I'm going to read one five star 
review from our Apple. 

1369
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:39,300
We have reached well over the 
500. 

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01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:41,800
I think we're 515. 
So guys have come through big 

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01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,400
time with another 15 or so in a 
couple days. 

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01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:46,500
This one is from real Serenity 
posted on Monday, forever. 

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01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:48,400
Grateful Kyle, thank you for all
that. 

1374
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,900
You've done. 
Thank you for continue to expose

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01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:52,000
the Deep state. 
In the swamp of DC Americans can

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,300
learn more from listening to An 
episode of your podcast. 

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01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:57,800
In a month's worth of propaganda
by the cartel media, please 

1378
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,900
continue to expose, all you can 
God bless you and your family. 

1379
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,700
God bless all of you folks that 
are listening and all my two, 

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01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:04,700
wonderful guests. 
Here, George and Garrett. 

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01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:06,000
Folks will talk to you guys 
soon. 

1382
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,600
And we look forward to bringing 
you guys something pretty 

1383
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,300
interesting in October from this
meeting, you guys will see what 

1384
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:13,900
this was all about. 
We'll see you again on Monday. 

1385
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:18,500
Thanks for listening to the Kyle
Serafin. 

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01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:22,400
Show be sure to follow him on 
Twitter and Truth at Tiles 

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,100
seraphin.