Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower.
An American Patriot prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth
because this program has no time for comforting lies here.
Our civil liberties, enthusiasts Second Amendment Defender and
recovering FBI agent. Kyle seraphin.
Hello, my friends. Welcome to the Kyle Serafin
show. Hopefully this time for real
thanks for sticking with us. What a goofy experience today is
June the 2nd. We are going to launch into a
discussion with fellow suspended.
As you can see, I've got gerd, a boil hanging out with me.
We are now moved indoors off a balcony where we were getting
buzzed by repeated flybys by the United States Coast Guard
because George Hill decided to upset the members of DHS, and
they decided to come back and let us know.
They were displeased with such things.
We don't Confirm that. But since we moved inside, they
have decided that they are no longer interested in flying in a
circle and hovering right over our position.
So that tells you something Florida gardeners and leaf
blowers didn't make it any better.
So now we are back. I'm going to give you guys a mic
check real quick and I'm going to thank our sponsors.
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Give me a big thumbs up when you hear Garrett and same thing with
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4, 3, 2 1. He's a good counter and he's
able to give us all that folks. We got a couple different camera
angles here pretty silly. Let me do a quick.
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I'm sorry beside about Catholics or Christians in this country
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A lot of the things that they have targeted, Catholics for
specifically are really not even just Christian positions, their
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Up for the loop. Very very thankful that I'm
getting a bunch of Thumbs Up in the live chat.
Thanks folks for joining us. I see all my favorites, all my
regulars out there Scott, thank you for joining us.
Haven't seen Eric yet today and Jen looks like she's able to get
on board. We see cookie.
So, all of you thanks for joining us.
Thanks for sticking with us through our Technical and also,
I don't know. Environmental challenges.
What else would you call that? There's no other way to describe
it, right coincidence. So my two guests, no
introduction would necessarily required, but we will give it to
you. Anyway.
This is George Hill. Famous vault.
Even as we discussed and Garrett, O'Boyle famous
beardman. Now both Congressional testimony
fires, they are both FBI whistleblowers one, retired, one
suspended forever, with no paycheck.
And these gentlemen have decided to join me because we had some
very interesting dinner conversation last night over a
beer and some burgers. We went on a hunt for what we
have, you were looking for key. Lime pie was looking for key,
lime pie, we are in South Florida.
So we went and did that, and then after that, we had to this
breakfast morning. And at breakfast we had a
discussion about the back swing and Country and these are two
gentlemen who served in the military?
You know, George served for longer than both of us.
They both have faced live-fire in combat, they both been down
range and served America against her enemies.
So what we're going to talk about is a nation full of men
who have seen conflict in a real way and our willingness and many
people's willingness to avoid that violence at all costs on
our soil. I think there's a real serious
problem that certain members of the Left are pushing an envelope
that once it is opened, it cannot be closed.
But I'm going to let these guys kind of take it away here.
I'm kind of just going to facilitate if that's good with
you all. And, oh, Erik flying the
chopper. Someone just, let me know that
Eric Eric has left his wheelchair and decided he's in
Florida. Anyway, so he has left the
wheelchair and he is now flying the helicopter to interrupt the
show he wanted to make a cameo. Okay gentlemen, first of all,
thanks so much for sitting. Thanks for giving up your
morning with me. Yeah, and thanks for having
coffee with me this morning because I feel like we had some
insights there. Grudges.
Yeah. Breaking bread together as an
important facet of life and building relationships with
people who are close to you who. So yeah, it's good to all be
together in person and be able to do something like that and it
deep into some of these topics person.
So Murray wants to know where we are.
Do you guys want to tell people where you're at?
It's it's an undisclosed location.
That's not how we operate here. We are transparent, we we are in
Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Beautiful, South Florida.
Yeah. It's gorgeous.
I mean for Florida in June, not even going to go above 85 today,
not crushing humidity. That's nice.
Now other than, you know, helos and leaf.
Well, yeah, the great free state of Florida.
Feel like it's calling my name, but maybe that's just because
it's been pretty good weather since I've been here.
This is, this is a Wisconsin boy, telling you that that it
being anywhere near the beach is nice.
He's correct. It is nice to be near a beach.
There's no question about that. But I think your you've just
been in the tundra for so long. This is Girl, and you've been
in, what do you call it? Nineveh know, people about Wes,
what your intermittent state is, we didn't really get personal.
Yeah, and kind of like your inner feelings on all the stuff
that I know you guys have very difficult feelings about kind of
what we've been facing down and it's already led to this
conversation for sure. So, for me, I think most of, you
know, a little bit about my back story, especially if you caught
the episode on Monday, I think it was while this week is
blending together, but shortly after we were able to retrieve
our Goods and and a settle into a rental home in Wisconsin.
I had this idea to start a sub stack because as a suspended we
of the FBI with no pay and no Duty and no ability to get
outside employment and kind of just praying and hoping for the
best and trying to figure out this new life with a new baby
and three other daughters and now not going to work and all
this. I needed some type of Outlet
granted it's, you know, friends and family who read my sub stack
and for Most part, but I had this idea, I was studying, I had
I don't even know how I first came across it, but I listened
to a couple sermons on the Book of Jonah and I had this idea
like oh man Wisconsin has become like my Nineveh and I would say
that to friends and family back home the point where my wife
Heidi she started saying here, you got to stop like they're
taking that personally, you're going to offend them, they
wanted us to come back home, your check.
About family members being. Yeah.
Ended. Yep.
And I was like, well, I'm not saying it like to be offensive,
who's saying, it more like God called us back here for a
purpose. And I don't know, all the ins
and outs of that purpose yet. But if you're familiar with the
story of Jonah, he tried to flee to tarshish and because the Lord
was calling him to Nineveh, but he didn't want to go to Nineveh.
He went to Nineveh to burn and I'm not saying I want Wisconsin
to burn or anything like that. I never got that because this
analogy analogy is Then just the physical location, but it's
everything that went into it with the suspension and losing a
job, essentially, and not having a mission.
Really other than is to focus on my family, which even that has
been difficult without having the ability to provide.
So I started off to sub stack with these two pieces about like
our life and I called it, welcome to Nineveh and I've been
meaning to Circle back for many months because I probably have
to 03 left in my mind. But it's been difficult because
I've been like, Jonah holding onto my own anger and
bitterness. And you know, I thought I was
getting to a point where I was overcoming that earlier much
earlier in this process, what is your sub stack called?
I know, people are starting to fill up your request for that
and there's some legal reasons why he's got it kind of locked
down. But folks, if you're in the chat
in there and you want to request it, you can.
Yeah, it's a last line. Dotsub stack.com, last line,
dotsub stack.com. And those of you who are
familiar with Garrett shirts, Wearing one right now.
Boom, there it is. The last line last line strength
last line sub stack. What is the last line mean?
Then we're going to move over to George since even he flew down
here from the other Tundra. Yeah, so this last line idea, I
had started when I was a cop again, and back then, it was
more like focused on police and my military background and being
mentally physically and spiritually strong.
And and so I had this idea like, oh yeah, maybe I'll just start
some T-shirts. And hopefully expand someday and
to opening a gym or it's more of the lot because now I'm writing,
and it's taken on a very different tune than I first
imagined, but short while I was in the middle of the hiring
process with the FBI's. When I started this thing and it
kind of trickled off because the hiring process picked up and
then I'm off to Quantico and moving and what it's always been
in the back of my mind, like I got a circle back and bring this
to life and so I guess I am in a different way with the sub stack
and we'll see. Where it goes from there, you
know, as it's morphed in kind of a brief way.
What would you what would you synthesize that?
The last line is. So it's anyone and everyone who
wants to whose as the has made the choice or has been placed in
on a path where they must step into the breach, they must stand
firm. It must hold the line.
And that's really the nuts and bolts of what the last line is
doesn't have to be law enforcement or military.
It's anyone and everyone who Wants to uplift each other and
build, a community of people who they can trust.
And we want to do what's right for this nation.
That's very sobering. George, I said that when we
first met that I was had on a countdown to see how fast it
would be for me to give you a hard time and for you to tell me
to go f myself, that was only like in the first 20 or 30
minutes that you and I have physically met for the first
time. Oh yeah.
Because I called you first iniquity of all things, which I
think is a pretty silly and selfish observation now.
I'm not correct, not not even a little bit more sticky.
Clearly, not your down here in Florida, you're down here to be
part of a panel discussion that you and I are going to be doing
and what like you travel around the world just a little bit
right now. You're seeing different things.
What is your sense of what's going on in this country?
Since some of these allegations that we've been making about the
federal government have been coming for.
Do you see any movement? I think there's a lot of things
going on. Number one, I think there is a
growing. Number of people that are
pushing back regarding the intrusion into their way that
they raise their families. That used to be an area that was
sacrosanct you you never ever released when I was growing up
and I'm older than these two gentlemen, ever criticized how
someone was raising their children.
You might talk about it in in within your own household but
that was an area that you just did.
Not go and I think that we're seeing people's thankfully.
I mean there's an upside to downside to everything covid and
the shutdown of the school's, gave a lot of parents, some
insight, as to the shenanigans that was going on in the public
school system. Just a brief aside.
If you want to end that the only way to do that is with where the
Money Follows the child and school choice but that's a
subject for another time. So we see that too.
All being well, the same time, we see no effort at all on
recalibrating from the left. Recalibrating their efforts to
further push forward their Progressive agenda and intrude
into the personal lives of mothers and fathers and families
and telling people how they think they should live their
lives. So what I'm seeing is kind of
like when a cold front moves in and pushes a stagnant, you know,
a warm air mass out that storm clouds are building and on both
sides because we no longer have political differences around the
edges. What we have today is is very
basic core differences in values and principles between two.
I think large groups of people, one of whom has been largely
silent, they just want to raise their family, go to work, pay
their taxes, go to the soccer games with their children.
Going to Scout Troop. Join a church.
That just want to be That's the loan and the progressive left
will not leave you alone. They will not allow it to happen
and they have redoubled their efforts.
Go not to go too deeply into politics but Biden
Administration is deep in the, the whole terms of approval
ratings, but you see no concern from them at all regarding the
upcoming election, which gives me great concern.
Why do they have no concerns? Why did have you're not the
least bit worried about these? The has vast differences that
are taking place in our society we have two separate camps.
So I want to dig deeper into the fact that there's no concern
because I think you have some interesting Insight on that, but
I also want to touch on the beginning of what you just said,
which there's been some allegations made.
I've had people bring it to my attention and and I have a
strong reflection on a gear and I talked about it last night,
actually, That this steady March forward by the progressive left
is religious in nature. It has the characterization of
religious extremism more than it does a political movement
because that makes sense to you from what you've seen.
Absolutely it one doesn't have to go too far back in history.
Just look at the Soviet Union who a lot of people didn't even
know existed but their nation is their God.
They Be uppercase G with a lowercase G, which is
government. And remember, what Hillary
Clinton has said, what Barack Obama said that we all belong to
government, that they're not your children.
There there are, children takes a village.
These are these are not semantics.
These are not just slight differences in the use of the
English language. These are strong, clearly
different moral points of view. And I kind of talked about that
for you can I just want to say Joe and the chat?
Let wants you to know that he doesn't want to pay his taxes.
You mentioned people. Wanna go to soccer games and pay
their taxes and do their civic duties.
And there are some people in this country that have no
interest in paying those taxes. I just want to assert that.
I also feel strongly every time that in fact, right now, we are
looking at a way to appropriately because I may have
to pull back and have Gary shred, the check that I mailed
him because we want to set up a quarter of a million dollars,
which will be life-changing for him, and for Marcus Allen.
And I immediately had a flurry of You let me know that there's
a significant danger in cutting somebody.
A check for 250,000 dollars, even though it wasn't my money
to begin with, because it came in and I am now an aggregator
and sending it over. It will look like a gift that
I'm giving directly from myself. And that would make it a taxable
gift, which is incredibly dangerous and scary because the
government wants 80 thousand dollars per check.
That I would write to these guys.
I don't want to pay my taxes that much either.
I'm not I'm not a huge fan of the government coming in and
dipping 30% or 35% of something that literally wasn't mine 15.
To go and I never considered it be mine but it on paper it may
not be a clean pass through for them.
So anyway, just so you all know. I will always be transparent,
I'll let you know how we figure it out.
If it means that we have to buy the O'Boyle family a house and
you know and then we just happen to be people that are investors
in his future. Then that's okay, too.
Like there's a lot of different options but I'm looking through
some some accounting options to solve this problem simply.
Because as much as we used to be okay with the idea of paying
taxes, now, we're paying essentially for tyranny.
Many of us are paying for the mechanisms of tyranny that are
coming at us, dare you. Wanted to play in this, on this
couch, on this first because Journey has been a big aspect
of, I guess. A lot of my thought process
really is sense. I think, since I joined the army
and it was probably one of the driving factors and that has
shifted over time as well. Because now, instead of looking
at maybe back then in my ideological foolishness, as a
teenager joining the military, I thought it's the tear and the
outside tyranny of other people who want to change America.
Or attack America or oppress Americans for how we think.
Now, I look more eccentric at our own government and think it
is a way off the rails with the administrative State.
And in the way it is round, it is run.
And so, the definition of the practice, the dictionary
definition of tyranny is an arbitrary use, or in an
arbitrary use of or unrestricted, use of power.
And when you look at, just the actual definition, because
people will scoff at the word tyranny, like, oh, It's extreme
when we break down the word and we look at the definition of it,
it really isn't all that extreme because you know, I think of
Steve's book and the redactions that they had like 30 pages or
whatever of redactions that is an unrestrained abuse of
authority right there because they don't want him to exercise
his first amendment right about the things he saw inside the FBI
that were long and we can, you know, put that out to the Gibson
go and the potential tax burden that we might see on there but
another aspect of it. As we are in this new role of
being the suspend doubles is we have been patient for many many
months. This is one thing we used to
talk about a lot before the hearing and the many months
leading up to it many times, thinking it may not ever even
happen was when and if I should come and speak out publicly and
I didn't and I never did until after that hearing, and it's
another aspect where it's like we Can be patient.
We you know it's if we have a finite life but for now patience
and prudence and discretion and discernment have to be a major
part of we go forward because we know we're being watched, we
know they are trying to find any and every reason they can to hit
us with a tax penalty or some you know, possibly a Coast Guard
helicopter coming down over our position.
Yeah. I see a 240 out the window so I
wasn't Not to threaten. There was a guy, there was an
engineer that was hanging out, but I say yeah.
But no m240 correct Gunner. Just just a flight engineer
doing what he does probably looking for.
All right, sir. Maybe he was going to come and
drop us a way out. If he thought they'd go some
fine little coincident rope go to when we started and it
stopped when we move absolute coincidence, I'm sure there's
nothing to it. Well, interesting enough, we
can't believe in coincidences in the roles that we're in right
now. It doesn't make sense for us to
walk around and not have our hair.
Head on a swivel. Many people in America are
feeling the same way. They feel like they are being
watched in certain ways because of the sort of surveillance that
the government has created, which was not a thing when you
were a child and really not a thing when I was a child.
But we've all grown to expect that any phone call could be
listened to that. Any text message could be
intercepted that any device you have that's made out of
electronics. Could in fact, be compromised at
any moment and the capabilities for that.
Sort of thing, do exist, clearly.
And we've used them in different ways in our professional careers
and now you're look at it. Length.
The funny experience that we had the other day yesterday.
I'll let Garrett kind of tell the story of it, but you never
know if you're seeing what we call and surveillance.
Well, if you're seeing ghosts, because of how strange, the the
internal situation is, how strange our personal situations
are now, we're looking back at our former employer and being
like, hey, are they following a trap?
Yeah, so we're walking back from dinner last night and George and
Kyle are in front of me. You know, about shoulder width
apart. Just next, to each other.
I'm right behind. You know picking up the rear and
as we're walking towards the hotel.
There's you know, foot traffic coming towards us and there's
there's a cleanly dressed guy. Walking our way has his phone
out and he, let's see what. Yeah, let's describe him very
clearly he was wearing some kind of slacks with a belt.
A tucked in shirt. It was a dress shirt that was
button down. It was pink if that's you Miami
SSG, we saw you. You're not very good.
If it wasn't, then we're seeing ghosts even weirder.
Could have been just some random dude but show them how he was
carrying this little, this one. So as he's wrapped, as much as
he's walking towards us, he has his phone about yay, high and
has it canted like this, which not reading it.
I'll was, you know, an operational surveillance guy
went through the FBI's surveillance course.
I also went through that course, and so you're trained on and not
to do this thing and how to act normal and not weird.
We're human. So we don't always get it right.
Right? And so I see this and I thought,
oh, that guy's probably, you know, as a part of a
surveillance team on it. It's what we call surreptitious
photography and there's an entire technique on how to do it
the way you would actually do this properly is if you were
going to videotape, for example, you folks, you might walk by
like this and you might be kind of just filming it out of
turning around and kind of yep. Uh-huh.
Yeah, that's what I thought. No, no.
We will have to meet later on and then you walk by, you do it
naturally and not act like a weirdo, but when you are working
for the FBI weirdo is probably use one of your default
positions. There's a lot of nerdy weirdo
people Let's pivot directly over George spent a bunch of time at
the FBI Academy. And you were seeing this
recruiting, you tell me why you went down there, because I don't
know if we've covered that on a podcast before, but you, and
I've had personal conversations a couple times about it.
So sadly, Kyle and I did a podcast on the 10th anniversary
of the Boston. Marathon's, and we had some
technical difficulties and lost unfortunately to humanity
forever. But when the bomb went off on
Boylston Street, I was at calm for a war game.
And I came back on the first plane the day after.
So I was in Boston about 12 hours after a little more than
12 hours after the bomb went. And when I walked into the
command post, I expected to see what we had or gamed with surg
critical incident Response Group, just a few months.
Prior instead what I walked into was the barroom fight scene out
of Blazing Saddles and during the course of the investigation
and The Manhunt This is all before the task force took
effect and people went out about doing their regular assigned
tasks. I learned so much about my
colleagues people, men, and women who I held in high regard
found out that they totally wet the bed when things went South
and then other people who are very quiet who went about their
job with no pretense, just Rose to the occasion quietly and
professionally and perform their job.
And there's a, you get a Workforce to ways that they're
both. Related is your hiring practice
and your training practice. So I was very familiar with the
hiring practice the bureau. So I wanted to go to Quantico
and just see how these men and women are are made.
And I had an opportunity to get down for almost 45 months as a
field counselor. Met some really great people
were over friends to this day and this was 67 years ago and I
wanted to see how they're made and a friend.
I became friends with the the chief physician down at
Quantico. We were both at Navy
Expeditionary. Combat Bat command together.
Although we served in different times and different theaters,
and he was primarily a surgeon to the Special Operations, but
he said that was his optic as a naval surgeon was special
operations and he commented to me, having been a Quantico now,
for a few years, I know this is 67 years ago.
That the average age and I'm going to botch the numbers.
I don't remember the conversation.
But the average age of the FBI new applicant for agent has
dropped about five years in court, his words, not mine, the
maturity level has dropped by a belt, That was his observation,
a surgeon man who came out of the Special Operations
Community, not as an operator. But if you've ever been in the
Special Operations Community, there's a vibe to it.
There's a sense of professionalism to it would
quickly recognize and I had to see where this was happening,
and he was spot on spot on and I was just it became crystal clear
to me why people behave like they did on April. 16th of 2013.
So they weren't prepared to take on some of these they weren't
prepared to take on these challenges because they weren't
minted in an environment that knew how to handle stress.
That had a blueprint for handle stress.
We used to call it stress inoculation when I was going
through training, they put you under artificial stress, so that
you learn that when you have real stress, you can operate in
the same manner you fall back to the level of your training as
they often do. That's not who were training
right now at the FBI Academy. That's not what we're bringing
out. And you also saw one of the
first classes, I think mine was very early on, if not the
earliest of the Of the Ada and the and the is a roll right now.
You supervise IAS you worked alongside of soup, special
agents. Did you was there any feedback
from the field immediately? They like this was a great thing
and this was a good idea that they were doing this and they
made sense or was it something that you had some concerns about
while you were there? My concern started before I went
there. Okay.
When Comey came over and took over as director of the FBI, he
instituted with a communist call struggle session and he made it
mandatory that every SS a supervisory special agent and
every supervisory intelligence analysts had to go through this.
Use a communist term struggle sessions, but it was basically
familiarizing yourself with the through online courses because
that's the best way to learn the FBI.
We solve our problems by those each job series.
And then we had to go out to California for three days of
punishment. In these large group settings.
We had these role-plays and presentations things of that
nature. And it was clear from that point
forward, this is the Kool-Aid, you will drink it, you will
smile and say that it's good. And that is important.
Because when you have the whole trp process, the Total Resource
correct response program that everybody say the same thing.
So critical thinking, dissenting thoughts not allowed.
The the entire process is geared essentially to break down
opposition to break down what, I think the Durham report referred
to as rigorous analytical thinking, which is exactly the
reason why Marcus Allen was suspended, right?
I mean that was sort of the, that was the flaw right that he
exposed. Was that he was trying to think
rigorously and present all sides of the analysis and when you do
that, that's how you get canceled in the FBI right now
because it is a culture of homogeneity of defend the badge
of Are all marching forward in the same line, Who real brief.
So I came to the bureau from the National Security Agency.
Remember, we're going to one of my first interagency
conferences, regarding the matter that's not suitable for
discussion. And I was throwing out
challenges to some of the assessments that are being, were
being made by ogier other government agency, and some
other FBI, folks. And I was quickly pulled into
the ASAC office for some special agent in charge.
I'll have never heard people. All the other, you know,
Partners like that. And I said, well, this is how
the of an intelligence professional conducts
themselves, they challenge assessment, they challenged this
version, he challenged hypotheses and make sure that
they're solid. It's part of the analytic rigor.
That one is supposed to apply from the very onset of things,
but that is not acceptable. You here's that.
Click click click like the conductor hands.
Go up. Everybody has the same tune at
the same time. They know.
The same time, right Garrett. Now when you were going through,
you went through the academy a couple years after I did, but
still still in itís, right? So my he's being there was an
analyst there. What was the explain sling with
a culture? Looks like when agents who are
supposed to carry a gun who was supposed to not to get rough
with people who have a physical requirement interact with the
opposite side of the coin, which is the analytical the indoor
part into an outdoor dogs. It was an interesting
amalgamation because the first Weeks maybe I don't know how
many maybe like the first sticks.
We we literally did everything together and then we were still
integrated. But agents started.
What? We both we started breaking off
and doing different things where we're going to shoot.
Or we're going to depend of driving X or just driving
defensive tactics work than analysts are going and learning
more of their Niche role. And then after a few weeks of
that like when we would come back together it was getting
increasingly rarer and rarer. Leading up to the eye as
graduation. It seemed like there was already
like a rift just because we hadn't been together much.
It's a kind of a power Dynamic to a close-up.
Yeah, because they've presented you is being equals in the role.
This is the way it has different rules.
Yeah. So in the military I don't feel
like there's nearly as much of a separation between Intel and
operations because they can be actually a mesh to because Intel
drives what the operations are. And there's always going to be
sort of the, you know, the Meathead.
Is you know, Egghead sort of that mentality, right?
Like that's, that's a natural struggle.
George is nodding. George spent a lot of time in
that thing but there's a lot more chance for people who are
in the in the intelligence and to be part of operations to the
point of legitimately embedding because they can still carry a
weapon, they still have their basic training that goes along
with it. They may not be the pipe hitting
guy that you know, goes and breaches doors everyday, but you
still might want to bring it in tell guy for what they call
sensitive site exploitation. So on the rift between that and
what happens in the Beer hall, which is as far more.
Can I would say a far more is the word?
Well, as if environment in the United States, it's not very
dangerous in general. We act like they can't be
outdoors for some reasons. And then you build up this
culture of people that are literally scared of their own
shadows and stay. And yeah, well, Daddy, I think
that even happens to agents because of what we do in Hogan's
alley. But with the I integration a lot
of it is so different and in Quantico than it was in real
life because he acted like Like they would have your IA in
training. Come up with questions, come up
with an Intel product on the, you know, the big Capstone case,
that the whole class is working on the whole time, and in the
end they would act like the iaea would go on an interview with
you, never ever. I know what happens,
occasionally never ever happened in real life in my experience,
right? Not once not one time.
Well, there's a big difference between someone like the eye is
that I worked with for the most part who were not physically
fit, who didn't have a sense of what an external threat.
Look like who was worried about ninjas around every corner or
they were. So they were so out to lunch
that they couldn't actually represent at the human being in
front of us, may be a threat and someone like George George who
spent tons of time both down Ranch and domestically involved
in actual legitimate interrogations as significant
training that we talked about offline and a lot.
And, and, and I think that some of the form to stuff in your, in
your life experience to be engaging human beings at a very
high level to chess game inside each other's minds where you can
only get so physical. You have to let them know that
there is no limit, right exhausting?
You're doing it right is exhausted?
Yeah, sure. Esther.
And to be able to have people that have that background, which
you which you have, but is not necessarily common.
Because people like Jim Comey were now.
Recruiting people who didn't have your background that then
had a Collegiate background only.
I'm going somewhere with this. Toxic.
Yeah. Police know how much you weigh
it right now because I'm gonna eventually get to where we're
going to go and I jump in person.
Yeah, what I want to hear George was what to say.
So I wasn't hardness, so when I was a field counselor, I had the
opportunity to meet Meet with director Comey, a private
luncheon with the other field counselors homey and his posse.
And I had said director after 15 years of war and to theaters and
thousands of intelligence professionals that have been
trained and either at Fort Huachuca or Mitzi Navy Marine
Corps, intelligence Training Center.
We should take a look at weight, you know, at least putting aside
the requirement for a four-year degree because we Of literally
tens of thousands of trained professionals who have operated
in a high-speed demanding environment, a team environment,
and can we at least look at shunting for at least a couple
years during the course of their Bureau career of requiring, a
bachelor's degree, and his posse jumped on me, and rip me to
shreds like a pack of jackals. What was there?
What was their complaint specifically?
Do you remember any of those things?
Obviously they were attacking and but do you remember any of
that? You know, is there anything?
And I just it became very quickly, like a Family Guy,
episode, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I it's like okay fine. I got it kill me, kill the
message. We're done here, I learned so
much as a field. Counselor, as to, why were in
the position that we're in? It was priced.
Their, did you want to make a point real quick about 21 when I
was in Quantico? There were some of the I a group
who I think are probably doing. Absolutely fantastic job.
Because they had the mindset different mindset than a lot of
that I types that we might see where they want to go out and
get after it. And I think that's great.
And then what you just talked about, with bringing that stuff
up with commis Posse, I think goes to the heart of the matter
would put the FBI, at least for me, I've been talking about it a
lot since I've done. I'll look is boils down to
hubris. They don't want to hear
questions and comments like you made and then They will attack
you because it's contrary to their fake belief.
That they have always done everything perfectly and always
will because it's an institution of humans and humans are
fallible, and the FBI is fallible and they are proving it
time and time again. The bureau is more interested in
protecting its brand and its badge that it is in fact, this
Elite organization than actually being an elite organization and
one of the Hallmarks of truly lead organizations is constant
self-criticism constant look Failure and attempting to
improve. And what the bureau is trying to
do is improve image without the actual performance to back it
up. It was nothing more funny to me
than when we were there. And they kept saying things
like, you know, this is the Premier law enforcement agency
in the world and like you could say that all day long.
But the more you say it the more you cheapen it, in fact I would
argue and I would Advocate any of you that are involved in law
enforcement, that happened, listen to our podcast.
If you are in a state or a local entity that does law
enforcement, I would encourage you to always introduce your
agency. Particularly when you talk to
the feds, As the premier law enforcement agency in the world,
because it's an absurd claim on its face.
And if you can make absurd claims with, no need to back
them up which the bureau does regularly, then why shouldn't
you? It's, if everyone's going to be,
it's the whole idea that if everybody is special to know
what a special we talked about the Beret can sort of an ultra
that happened in the military. For those of you who don't know,
initially the people that were raised were people like the
Green Berets which are familiar with which is going to be your
special forces. We had Special Operations guys
in general, which was your Your 75th Ranger regiment and they
all were a beret that's on the Army side and on the, on the Air
Force, I don't know if the Navy does a beret.
I'm pretty confident, they do not, but the on the air for
side, we had guys that were in the combat control professions
people that were like pararescueman, these are Elite
operators as well and they would wear a special hat that would
insinuate or show people visually in the military is all
about visuals that they were a different type of person.
They were different type of troop.
And then everybody who was in the regular troop thing started
getting jealous and that's why Security Forces, which is the
largest part of the are course, they all wear a beret.
They actually took the color in the, and the style from combat,
controls will come back and rolled onto another color.
I know that now, the Army all has black.
And so, these are these, like, if everybody needs to be getting
a trophy, if everybody needs to feel special, then nobody
special you cheap in those words, simply by trying to
universalize it. And all this goes to the point
that we're now living in a country.
Everybody wants to be the thing. They want to be special, they
all want to be included. We all need to be gentle.
And we have to accept all their foibles and weirdnesses.
When when I was growing up, you're a weirdo.
You were just a weird out. Like, if you wanted to put on
women's clothing and you were a dude, we just called you a
weirdo. Like you didn't mean you were a
bad person, you might be really nice but like, hey, you know,
when he goes home, he puts on Heels of Corky quirky weird.
You know. They were, they were, it was
almost comedic was almost always funny.
And everyone, sort of knew that drag was not a thing.
That was regular eyes. It was, it was used either in
comedy and to great effect. It was used in entertainment
purposes. Is to highlight certain things,
but it was always Woman face. Everyone knew was a man,
impersonating a woman. And there's an inherent sort of
comedy about that because we can't do it least not well, I
think to really go along that point, it's think it could very
well be a driving factor in some of the things we see today.
We're at the rise in, in suicide.
The rise in almost sexuality and transgenderism.
It's part of that egoism that humans naturally have, because
we're sinful beings. Where everyone is special, now,
everyone gets a beret. Everyone gets a trophy.
So what can I do to stand out and actually be special?
Oh, I know, now I'm trans or whatever the case may be, right?
You have to get, well, it's the funniest thing about to me about
identity politics, which I abhor the minute you get down to the
most granular identity that you have.
And you are now a cisgendered, you know, white heterosexual
male, you know, with ADD and they list out all your your
disabilities and all of your things.
You know, receding hairline and big Burly bearded.
All the things you get down to the level of individualism and
then you're right back where I am, which is that I treat
everybody as an individual. And if you're a human being that
sucks. I just call you someone who
sucks. And if you don't, and here's
somebody else, to kind of pivot to the indoor outdoor dog thing
we were talking about this analyst position versus the
people who have actual physical experience.
The breakfast conversation we had which is where the backswing
that we wanted to talk about comes from people who have never
seen what violence looks like. People who have never seen what
discomfort and civil unrest, and what it can do to a country when
it's D stabilized, are the ones aggressively advocating for this
position and they seem to be poking the bear.
There's a great meme, it's like two guys, wearing FBI hats and
they're poking like a Pepe frog and they're like, come on, come
on, do a terrorism, you know and and everybody sort of has that
sense that they're being goaded into something.
They know what it is and they're avoiding it on purpose, George.
You've been down range. I know that Garrett you've done
the same thing. You guys have gone on the to
issuing rages. We call it sometimes we're here.
You're setting rounds back at the things that are coming, you
know, bullets are flying both directions and everybody has a
lot of Target. When that is the case, I imagine
it's not a thing that you own it to bring home with you.
You weren't like oh this is amazing.
Like let's have some to America. I think the majority of people
myself included went and did that because we wanted to keep
it there somewhere else not here.
Because why would you ever want that?
In your own country, where your children are, right.
Yeah. Meek and weaker, not synonyms.
And they say the meek shall inherit the earth.
What they're talking about is people of tremendous strength
that have controls right over that strength and the
government. And this Progressive Movement
keeps on pushing on Meek people. And they're misinterpreting
meekness for weakness and they really need to stop because
they're creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I see with these rats, that they seem to be pulling out of thin
air. They're not pulling them out of
thin air, their policies are creating them just because they
keep on pushing, its it's going to happen.
This reminds me of what you just said about meekness is not
weakness from Jordan Pederson, says harmless man is not a good
man. Good man is a very very
dangerous man who has it under voluntary control and I think
that that comment is so intuitive and especially of our
war generation, starting in 2001, and the present, there's a
lot of men and women even in this country who I've done the
hard thing because they didn't want it to come here, right?
And they're getting that poke and then another one from him.
I think that Rings true as well as if you think tough men are
dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of,
and I think that's what we are seeing our government.
They so earlier, we were trying to get into a quick discussion
about the ordinary men that what was the name of the place
Battalion 105. Reserve police baton 101.
As 101 was a Polish Reserve. Police unit in the World War 2
era. And All the book says that all
ordinary men, they were butchers and carpenters, and whatever
else that they did, and then they were mobilized, inactivated
in World War Two. And in short order were
slaughtering Jews, you know, Full Tilt and it's, it's extra
poignant for people, the law enforcement and military
background, like, we all have because we see the depravity of
man, and what man can be capable of even when they're just simply
ordered. To do something because that's
what it boiled down to, for that unit and many others in World
War Two was while I was ordered to do this, right?
And we see a lot of people in the bureau sort of those orders.
I know a lot of police officers must struggle with that, and
many of them have fallen on the wrong side, where they are
saying, you know, I'm told to shut down this restaurant
because of covid policies and they no inherent made that
telling someone that they cannot make a living that they cannot
go to the job that they have to support.
Their family is not a thing that they would willingly accept.
If they were told to stay home, they might still.
He's the streets because they know what needs to be done.
And and yet a lot of people more and more are falling that route.
I like the when I was when I was in the military my one of my
team Sergeant, he's a really good guy.
He's a special operator would always say, never mistake my
kindness for weakness as a leader.
This is a very common experience that we here.
I had a guy in the Army who say maybe it's ubiquitous I feel
like almost all Marines almost all army guys.
They understand that there is the kindness for weakness
problem. The weakness and meekness issue
is someone who has tremendous Des capabilities.
They bring the ability to meet out violence but they have the
humility to know that is not appropriate.
It is not the tool. We talk about flipping the
switch sometimes in the communities where guys have the
ability to go from everyday laughable, we had a nice
breakfast. We're drinking coffee, we're
smoking and joking. We're talking about our kids,
we're showing photos if somebody came through that door and
pointed an AK at the, at the receptionist, the hotel and
said, we're taking over this building, it's time to start
ending people's lives. We have to do it aggressively.
If you have to do it violently and it's no more fun time.
And we may not walk out of it, okay?
But that's, that's something you accept as somebody who has that
skill set. It's the same folks.
We were kind of laughing about this.
This morning, Garrett's beard is kind of Woolly and powerful and
I found a shirt in Texas, which I got to find him.
We might make a suspended as version of it, but it says, with
great beard comes great responsibility.
We all sort of know that when you have these Powers, when you
are able to inflict violence. Then your job is to not inflict
violence that is who of time until it's time.
Yeah, it's not. It's remember the movie Road.
House. Oh yeah, so one of the reasons
why that movie was so great is because Patrick Swayze's
character who was capable of tremendous violence and was able
to fight at a high level chose, not to until it was necessary
for him to do so. And so when Patrick Swayze's
character, you know, he says if they come in the bar and they
want to get Rowdy, we ask them to sit down and we be nice.
He says if they come out and they want to, you know, do
things, we buy him a drink, we tell him to take it easy, take a
load off, do it nicely? We do all these things.
We keep doing, like he said, I want you to be nice until it's
time. Not be nice.
And that's one of the great lines coming out of the 80s and
understanding that having that tremendous strength having the
nuclear Arsenal that we had. Because these are a lot of them
are products of that cold world mentality, that cold war
mentality, rather we knew instinctively that you have.
This thing you could do this thing, but if we do it mutually
assured. Destruction was a real concept.
I grew up knowing it. I know you did.
I know you actually lived at an operational, doctor, we came
close to it. And and when you have that sort
of attitude, you avoid it at all costs on purpose because the
alternative is that she is involved in Total War and
unfortunately right now, it feels like this country is
aggressively pushing political left, specifically, these indoor
types that think that they are on the same capabilities and Par
of real, then women who know what vials really looks like.
And they're going to try to push him up to the brink, because
they think it serves their purposes.
And, and that to me is terrifying because we did this
once before, in the early 90s, we saw the Ruby Ridge, we saw an
empathy mcveigh's, they were Fringe at the Right, right.
But in many ways, those guys looked up and they saw the same
things, we're seeing a much smaller ways and it causes them
to act and I don't condone any of it.
I think Timothy McVeigh was like monster Beech Hill children and
yet the sentiment that he had is building more sympathy.
In the same way, that people who go back and read the Unabomber
is Manifesto today. And I don't know if you've ever
read Tim kaczynski's, Ted, Ted Kaczynski.
Yeah, uncle Ted. And the cat, there's actually
one that says, Uncle Ted's cabin established, like whatever,
whatever they took it down. I'm here I remember who going
and being arrested and thinking like oh my God, look at this.
Guy like he was a monster. He was mailing package bombs,
but then you go back and read why he was and you go.
Okay, he was a monster. He had terrible ideas and he
enacted them in a bad way and obviously hurt people that were
unrelated. I'm it was a totally diseas'd
mine action and yet the problems that he saw, and that he was
trying to address were real, he just didn't understand how to
handle it because he was an analytical type.
And, you know, he basically Veer off on a hard right on an, you
know, an exit ramp that, nobody should exit off on.
But his assessment of technology and the Connective human beings
and all those things really were almost prophetic, which is
bizarre and fun to say as a former FBI agent.
Can I bring this back to our discussion?
Literally five minutes ago because we have a foot move that
far from what we're talking about.
Here is dissenting opinion which should be always embraced.
Yes I was very sour on Edward Snowden when it first went South
and he went to Russia until I listen to him, I think for
almost six hours on Joe Rogan and it changed my thinking And
if you're going to insult, if one is going to insulate
themselves from contrary thought and insist even through the use
of governmental violence, the live with inside of a
hermetically-sealed bubble, it's a formula for, for greater
concert. So I would argue it were much
better off. Listening to dissenting points
of view but like really listening active listening
skills. Cuz it may mediate some of your
thoughts mitigate, you know, immediate yeah.
Media, some of your thoughts as well as the person with whom
you're having the exchange with but that is not allowed anymore,
right? So I engage with a guy named
David Weissman on Twitter the other day and David Wiseman
story apparently was that he was just like rabid pro-trump guy.
He's Jewish, he was a veteran, he was H chaplains assistant in
the Army. So he's a military veteran and I
don't know enough about the chaplains, assistance, roll, On
the Army side, but I intend to ask him and I just end up on
Twitter and we saying these things and it's like IV.
Emily disagree with almost everything you say.
But you started in a place where you believed a lot of the same
things that I did and I was never a pro trunk guy in a
vehement way. Like I like Trump policies.
Trump actually earned my vote between 2016 and 2020, which I
think is an interesting thing for the suspense was like, we
were never like Maga guys. I don't own a MAG, a hat, I own
a red hat because it triggers people.
I think it's funny but has nothing on it and I may get
something in, you know, I wanted to say, make steak make America
steak again, because I really love steak, and I just think
that's Funny and I'm making fun of vegans is the thing that I
find amusing. If you're a vegan deal with it,
like I don't really care. You're allowed to not eat meat.
I'm just going to eat two animals for everyone that you
don't. And so this is kind of the
mindset that I have and then I engage them.
I said, would you be willing to sit down?
I was like, I don't agree with almost anything you say what I
can tell, but I'd love to know how you and I are seeing either
different information and coming up with these different ideas or
we're seeing the same information and it's tilting you
the opposite way that it tells me because I want to know what
why the hell are you thinking like that?
And and let's have that interesting dialogue.
And if it convinces people away from what I believe, fantastic
like, I don't care, I want people to understand back up
their opinions but there's a small possibility we talked and
we find common ground that we both want to see our children
live successfully that we want them to be unimpeded and be able
to be raised in certain ways. I bet you there's more things
that David Knight agree on even though politically and on
Twitter, you know, he's out there like cheering on, you
know, all the destruction of anything that is against his
ideology, that seems to be this. This you cannot accept even a
common And with your enemy even even in World War one when we
were dealing with some of the most obnoxious and disgusting
forms of truth of trench warfare.
You know, the men from Western cultures got together and
celebrated Christmas in the middle of the no man's land.
And that to me, tells me that we have lost something because that
was about as dehumanizing as well as you can get.
You were being shelled into Oblivion by someone who you
could physically, eyeball and see and they were dropping
artillery on your heads and still, those people knew that
they were human beings who had families that were going to come
and celebrate Christmas. There was a truce Was signed
overnight. You can only imagine how intense
that was probably on the bodies of their friends that they were
walking between to get there and then they celebrated Christmas
in different languages and they went back they went back to war
the next day. Dehumanizing, who danger?
It really is, I mean once human beings become something,
non-human something that has to be slaughtered and moved out of
your way and their history modern and Modern Man, history
of man is Rife with, you know, thousands and thousands of
examples. Samples of that.
Just because we're living today in the 21st century doesn't mean
that we cannot get to dehumanization again.
I mean, we're already seeing some of those kinds of things in
North Korea and China with the uyghurs and other parts of the
world. We're seeing human trafficking
and numbers that we haven't seen since the British and the United
States. Later on helped end the slave
trade. Dehumanizing is a slippery
slope. No question about it.
It comes from a therapy background and so she spent she
has a master's degree in counseling.
We talk a lot about that. I learned a lot of counseling,
speak listening to her, talk to her friends, and some of these
kind of conversations when there's three women counselors
together that are talking about whatever they clock about and my
wife wouldn't take any umbrage with me saying it that way, he's
always walking on what are you chickens clucking about?
Just Piper Alpha them and they would always like, well you had
a good day, they clock about it and then they go back to know
anything. But one of the things that they
discussed in this the term, it's called other ring, which is a
very leftist way of looking at It's a very gentle sort of
software. But other thing is to say, I am
creating that divide that rip at dehumanization.
I'm making you an other and the minute it becomes an other.
Now you're them, they are doing this.
We are doing something different.
And that wedge that do that divided wedge creates
opportunities for looking at the other as a real foe, once you
other people. And we started doing that this
country in a big way. Yeah, what we did was in and you
saw through a lot of the codes. So they made people choose a
side And the side was, are you with us or you with them?
And rather than saying, the way that we've always done this
country, you can have religious differences.
You can agree not to do something that everybody else
does. If you choose to do that, no big
deal. You just during this one part of
the time, you do something different because you have an
accommodation for it. But, you know, and I know that
they didn't allow that sort of thing.
But then talk about what that look like.
Being on the inside, you are a very different field office.
I know you saw Austin. I'd love for you guys to kind of
discuss the other thing that happened even within our agency
as a microcosm country. Well, and And we touched on a
think, at dinner last night or maybe it was breakfast, but with
this country sought happen in real time, we saw it happen now.
People, especially those who are really paying attention and
looking back and seeing that things may have gotten a little
bit back to normal, but we can never forget what those who
three years was like in this country and it was worse
elsewhere and it was worse in Australia, New Zealand, it was
worse and that that other fact that we saw from inside was You
must do what we say or else and we were both recipients of that.
And In law enforcement, we talked about China earlier.
There's no coincidences, I don't think there are in life and in
law enforcement, I learned that quick and then part of my faith
really is help. What solidified that.
And so when you see that other ring happen inside the most
powerful law-enforcement agency in the world, it's a scary place
to be because sure inside the own agency.
Now you are one of the others because you didn't want to get a
vaccine. You didn't want to attest.
You didn't want to submit a religious accommodation because
you should Have had to because you do have a reasonable belief,
I shouldn't have to write 15 pages about that as to why you
should let me live my life, the way I want and not put in
injection in me that I don't want to get or whatever else.
And so you, it came to a point where the the quote-unquote
rules literally were, if you're not vaccinated, you must wear
mask. And so there's now your symbol
of being another very everyone. Yeah.
People always said, oh you guys are drawing, this really like
start parallel you're trying to act like this is like the
Holocaust And the answer was always the same for me.
You can tell me if you agree with this one Sergeant, but I
always said that we aren't being treated like the Jews in the
Holocaust. Our government is beginning to
act like the Nazis and that should be terrifying because it
didn't start with death camps, but it never starts with death
caps, it starts with dehumanizing and part of that
wedge was wearing a mask. Was you have to go and go test
for covid, Every 72 hours and you're different.
And I guess you're unclean. And you've now basically created
this thing where it's like, what He's one of the guys that has to
go and test so and now it's on everybody's timesheet.
And so now the time figures who never met, you know, one thing
about you you're a non-compliant prosperous and I was a
non-compliant problem. And so by being that person you
have created that other and how many of those people do?
We know? And just are small circle, every
single one just about was in that camp every single one of
the whistleblowers that I know of.
So do they have a list with our names on it?
Absolutely. Every single person in the FBI
roughly 3,000 of us, They have a list of our names because we
were required to provide some information to them.
After the executive order, one 4043 was signed on September 9th
2021. And in short order, we did
provide that we had two and they had a list and ask forward a
year and people started getting taken off that list because they
were removed from the agency. And you know, people do always
jump right to death camps and 1945 when America discovered
that And most of the world didn't know only really at that
point. Only Germany, new.
And then people like, oh my gosh, this is a lot worse than
we thought, let's rewind because a so I want to hear what George
saw in Boston because we had different field offices.
I experienced something out of Albuquerque's, you experience it
of Kansas City, and you were in Boston, which is a very Catholic
city, right? And I don't think that the point
of view was that different in Boston, which is really, I think
probably the most distressing point is that the reaction
across the bureau and across the nation was homogeneous.
Has. It was clear clearly visible
separation from the unclean and those who were compliant.
And it got to the point where those of us who didn't agree
with some of the, the covid policies would meet in be, would
instant message each other and then meet in some Third party
location that we were we were pasted on the ground, right?
It just to be able to discuss out loud because even to voice a
difference of opinion. If someone could hear it, you'd
be up on the eighth floor, explaining to your boss,
y-you're not ascribing to this prescribed line of thinking.
And so the wild thing, for a lot of people on one of the reasons
why I came up with the group I did, which ended up being a
group of a lot of them being whistleblowers, which is very
strange. And I, when I talked, People who
have listened to me, speak publicly.
I say there's a couple hundred that were involved.
We created a group, but it wasn't to whistle blow.
It wasn't to go say that they were things going wrong in the
FBI specific to the National Standard.
What we were talking about was is that they were treating
everybody wrong internally and that led everybody to the
Natural outgrowth to look. What else are they screwing up?
What else are they doing in this?
Crazy way. But, very effectively, they
divided and conquered. They made people feel like an
island. And when you're, when you're an
island, you basically have two options.
Maybe three. One of them is that you can
submit to the authority, which The goal.
They wanted to show that you were completely outnumbered and
you had no other option other than to go forward and join the
majority. And that was a strong peer
pressure tactics. Any people submitted a second
thing is a lot of people left the FBI so they drove out those
that were not going to be complicit that we're not going
to homogenize and be part of the sort of echo chamber.
Any of that rigorous analytical thought that said look, is there
another way that we should be doing this that got thrown out?
And I think many of you experienced that in your jobs as
well, it didn't happen in, just the FBI didn't happen in just
the federal government which was the largest employer, they were
actually aggressively applying the same sort of pressure
tactics into Private Industry. And so we saw the same things
happen in the transportation industry, in the medical field,
especially in the medical field, a bunch of other places where
they were trying to get a modulus thought.
And anybody that was a dissenting opinion was getting
pushed out and a lot of those people, those defending opinions
also, turn out to be people who have a pretty good concept of
what it looks like overseas to see violence.
And so you've now marginalized and tried to other and
dehumanize people who know what that looks like and that is
Incredibly scary weird, you know, poke the Frog moment where
it's like, go on, do something act out and then we'll show you
how aggressive it is. I think we talked about it.
George, I'm going to throw it back of you by Dimension that
you need f-15s in order to overthrow the government.
Yeah. I think I'm a misquote, mm.
I'm sure somebody will correct me.
Probably not in the chat, but maybe from the White House.
You think you're going to take over the government with your
AR-15s, we have f-15s personal that's patently offensive for
the president of the United States.
My president, whether I voted for him or not, doesn't matter.
He stole my president to make a blatant threat of violence
towards his own citizenry is problematic, but then just a
complete lack of understanding of how insurgencies work.
The Taliban was able to hold on, for 20 years with AK-47s, AK-74
is bold action, and Fields. Felt, you know, fed machine,
guns and RPGs and you know hand launched rockets for 20 years
and then over A superpower. So I think kind of short-sighted
to say. Wow, we got f-15s.
Yeah, you also have a couple million highly-trained
well-armed Patriots who actually believe in the Bill of Rights
and believe in the right to self-determination.
This is not where we want to be going as a country.
Now, and Americans have far better privately-held weapon
systems and almost any other country on the planet, it was a
discussion at some With that said, over fifty percent of the
private arms in the world are owned by Americans, you know?
And a very, very small population compared to some of
the larger places, you think about the types.
I mean, there are people in this country and we probably know
some of them. I know some of them that on
belt-fed machine guns, there are people that own cannons, there
are people that privately owned tanks in this country and the
other thing you have to assume that I think is absolutely
something you cannot assume is that there's some sort of
homogeneity in the military, we've all worked and we
understand what kind of people these are, there is no
homogeneity in the military that says Every single unlawful
order. I will follow a large fraction
of people know better. We know Pilots that descended
from these opinions that said look I have a right to bodily
autonomy even in spite of this thing because of the certain
laws are set up to protect the anthrax vaccine went through and
and already determined this there's case law in favor of
these guys opinions. So there are certain objections
you can make. And of course, now by
Administration has shown that they were weak on the, on the
vaccine idea, they pulled away in spite of the fact that they
had injunctions. In the fifth circuit, there was
an en banc review that said that, they Were wrong that it
was unconstitutional to begin with so all the stuff came back
on them and rather than hold and say no we have the courage of
our convictions, we are correct. We in fact are doing the right
thing, they said the courts are going to rule against us.
We're going to try to save that precedent, so we can do it again
and they withdrew their mandate. So they said, now you no longer
have standing. I hope that doesn't work.
I hope that it actually gets a full determination because we
need some case law that says they can't do it.
The left is more than happy to push the legal aspect of it,
right? And say even though we're wrong
and we know from the beginning, we're going to impose this
Incredible burden falls on you and make you stand for your
pencils and we're eventually going to crush you with them and
if you don't you're a bad person correct it made them became a
moral argument. Yeah, every level I think that
new executive order, now rescinding the vaccine mandate
goes right back to what we're talking about earlier and
arbitrary or unrestrained, use of power.
That's exactly what that is, who forced people are less.
I mean, I guess you always have a choice but more, unless you
force people to get a vaccine that many of them didn't want,
but they got it because they thought I can't lose my job over
this. I have a family to feed or
whatever and now, Now, they can't get that out of their
body, right now, you told them, I actually don't have to get it
a permanent change, right? We're at the hour mark, so that
went fast, quickly. Rather I will have George
closing. Thoughts long or short on
America as we stand right now? I'm sorry.
I'd like to stay on long on America.
I think we're headed to a very dark place that I pray every
day, doesn't fix it passes Us by the strong closet.
You mentioned that the moving storm front.
Okay. Garrett, move that stuff.
It's, I don't know when I'm hopeful.
I'm really hopeful that we're turning a corner because people
are seeing what we're seeing seeing what we're talking about.
And I guess I saw that, too, and then on top of it.
One side is doing less to prop America up.
The other side is doing more, we're going back to our faith,
we're going back to Our Roots, we're reading, and technology is
great. In the sense that we can easily
do a podcast from a hotel. We can easily search things and
put them other than for the helicopters in the beginning.
It's not that easy. Yeah.
We, you know, we're having more kids and hopefully raising them
in a God-fearing way. So for me, it's my faith.
It's I know God's hand is on Overall.
And so when I'm hopeful, I think, maybe we can turn a
corner back for good on my worst days.
I realized, the Bible tells us many times that Satan is the one
who controls this Earth, and that's allowed by God's hand,
but all things eventually work together for his purpose.
So, I know the ending already regardless of what happens if
America totally fair point. I'm going to end it on saying
that unlike the waffling. I actually feel long America but
only in the law. I think in the near term.
I think George is 100%. Correct.
I think we're going to see the storm clouds gather.
We're going to see something uncomfortable, we're going to
see difficulties and that's going to be the difficult times
that turn to make strong men sort of from our children's
generation. So the longer we stretch this
thing out on the timeline and I think Georgia Greece when the
cold front comes in, it brings in that storm.
I love that analogy. It's that's a crushing area who
were rushing here comes in afterwards and what does it make
it makes for a long growing season?
After that all the parts you have to have movement of air.
We've had a static situation. This country that has festered,
that is rotted. That is got to the point where
there's A lot of energy, there is ready to be an electrical
storm. There is going to be all those
things, we can feel those clouds build up, but when the Dam
breaks and the water comes down, and watched everything clean and
wake up in the morning, the sunshine is clear and blue and
it's, you know, dropped 50 degrees and everything feels
great. That's kind of how I see this
thing going. It won't be easy, but it will be
simple to just ride out and maintain principal.
You want seconds when that storm passes through, there will be
some damage that will be our neighbors or need help.
So take advantage of that cool air when it arrives because
we're going to Well, and help our neighbors.
That's right. End of the day.
That's always my recommendation to people.
I do folks, you probably know I do a lot of Twitter spaces in
the one thing that I always tell is that if you want to make a
difference, you have to do it locally.
You have to go out and meet your friends that you don't know.
Are your friends yet? Go knock on your neighbor's
doors. If you've never met them.
If you live in a traditional American neighborhood, where you
got 20 doors on either side of you and you don't know the
people that live there, go figure out their names, find out
who they are now, because you're gonna need them later and
they're going to need you in a big way.
I have a brand new house we just moved into, we've been in there
for 60 days and I know five of the there's already in the
neighborhood, which is pretty darn good for most Americans
situation and and they're wonderful people.
And most of them tend to agree with us.
Some of them might even be listening to our podcast right
now, which is kind of amazing. My neighbor.
Corey is a really nice guy. My name is Steve is a really
nice guy. I know a lot of Steve's and my
neighbor James, who lives, right next door, isn't as a Kenyan
immigrants, he's a wonderful person.
He's interested in be farming and has a piece of property that
he's building, you know, like the American dream, he's
building his own house with his own, two hands.
So I wouldn't know that if I didn't go and say hello and
engage with those people. So go and meet your neighbors,
the Used to do. I saw someone saying Gen-X
standing strong Gen-X used to go and play with their neighbors
outside, they would go out and do things that were fun with the
people that were around them. So when the times were tough,
they knew who to knock on to borrow a cup of sugar.
They knew who to go say, hey my powers out, I need some help.
Can you help me flip the circuit breaker?
They go to their friends, who was an electrician or hey, our
water is not working and we got a water maid.
You have a you have a wrench to be able to open it.
There used to be a culture in this country that did that and
we can get back to it. If we are just willing to kind
of step outside that comfort zone.
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