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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower, an 

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American patriot. 
Prepare to embrace the 

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uncomfortable truth, because 
this program has no time for 

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comforting lies. 
Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiasm, Second Amendment 
defender and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Serif. 
Well, hello my friends, and 

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welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show
for an evening edition. 

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We don't normally do this kind 
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but here we are with dim the 
Lights a little bit and we're 

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doing a Saturday night special. 
Little play on words there for 

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you guys. 
It is Saturday, April the 6th, 

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2024 and we're rolling live 
right now on rumble.com/kyle 

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Serif and if you guys want to 
join us, if you are hanging out 

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over on X and if you saw it over
here on Twitter, you want to 

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say, hey, I want to jump into 
the chat with all these crazies 

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they're already talking, you 
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jump on into rumble.com/kyle 
Serif and make sure you give us 

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a like a follow while you are 
there, OK? 

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If you guys are familiar with 
this program, what you know is 

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we always talk about that. 
I'm a constitutional extremist, 

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and it says that I'm a second 
amended Second Amendment 

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defender. 
You may not know that I actually

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got tossed out of the FBI over 
Second Amendment affairs. 

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We're going to probably talk 
about that just a little bit. 

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But I really want to bring on 
and highlight a story of a 

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gentleman that I've come to know
through playing around on 

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Twitter, because that's where I 
spent a bunch of time like I 

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probably shouldn't. 
And his name is Dexter Taylor. 

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He's been on a couple of major 
programs, but not nearly enough.

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His story is the story of all of
us and he's made me change my 

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mind about one thing in 
particular that we should just 

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ignore the ceded territories in 
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And those ceded territories are 
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and California. 
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north of Virginia in on the 
Eastern seaboard that that look 

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like you're losing your Second 
Amendment rights and you sort of

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just said it's over. 
This man is in the fight for it 

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right now. 
His court case is relevant to 

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all of us and I want to make 
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have that chat. 
So without any further ado, 

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without any sponsorship reads or
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just start talking to my new 
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There he is. 
How you doing, Sir? 

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Good evening. 
How's? 

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It going, brother. 
Good to see you. 

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It's going well. 
OK, so we should probably put 

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this up front. 
It is possible because I don't 

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censor anybody. 
Men who are facing persecution 

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by the by the government 
sometimes have saltier language 

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than men who are not. 
And I've I've had, I had one of 

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the guys from the Whitmer case 
come in here and he got framed 

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up pretty good by the the 
federal government and and he 

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had some some aggressive 
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So if it gets aggressive, we're 
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up front that if you got little 
kids in the room, it's bedtime. 

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Put them to bed. 
That's what needs to happen 

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because some men are going to be
talking about some things that 

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are difficult and uncomfortable.
But without any further ado, 

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let's get into your story. 
But I want to start from the 

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very beginning. 
If you don't mind, I'd like to 

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give people a lens of where 
you're coming from and who you 

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are as a person. 
We tell people where you grew 

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up. 
Sure. 

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Sure. 
I grew up in New York. 

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I was born in Queens, NY, and 
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Hollis, Queens and lived in New 
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seven years where I lived in 
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And you know, I went there, went
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then I dropped out and bounced 
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to get myself together. 
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I taught myself C++ and got my 
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1994, moved back to New York to 
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And I've been working in the 
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And that's the right code every 
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So. 
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day. 
That's that's your bread and 

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butter. 
Yes, Sir. 

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And. 
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Yeah, understood. 
I I think we're going to get 

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there and you live in New York 
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You are you a guy that gets into
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Do you go out there looking for,
looking for fights, looking for,

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for altercations on the street? 
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I keep my black ass home. 
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Told you guys I was going to get
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Listen, ain't like nothing good 
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AM you know what I'm saying? 
I no. 

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So I'm usually. 
I'm home in my studio, you know,

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You see, I'm sitting in the 
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yard. 
This is the third recording 

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studio I built. 
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messing out of the studio or 
working on code or something 

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like that. 
In fact, I have a We'll get to 

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that later. 
But I have a software software 

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demo I want to want to show for 
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I'm up for it. 
But yeah, yeah, no, Never. 

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Any trouble with the law. 
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Criminal record. 
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trespassing that happened in 
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years ago. 
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you know, no, Like police coming
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And as you know, I'm a 
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here, you know, talking me crazy
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You know you're already on the 
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Well, they're watching. 
I mean, they we'll get to that. 

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But yeah, they're watching my 
social media and I'm delighted 

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that they are. 
Oh, oh, for sure. 

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You know, hopefully we red pill 
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out there looking at it. 
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to see the truth. 
I'm not asking anybody to change

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a political party. 
The the reason I bring that up 

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and it's interesting that you 
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a trespassing. 
I I also have 11 little blemish 

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in my record and I still managed
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work for the FBI. 
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having a conversation with 
somebody knowing what it's like 

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to spend a night in jail, 
knowing what it's like to be on 

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the other side of things to to 
find yourself in trouble, having

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to face the wall and put your 
hands through the bars and all 

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that kind of thing, which I got 
to do when I was in the 

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military. 
It was stupid, but it happens 

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and there's a there's a certain 
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develop for for knowing that 
there's another human being 

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there with a whole story that 
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that you don't know anything 
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cuffing side of it. 
So I always thought that was. 

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I thought that was actually an 
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people don't have that 
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That's right in in any case but 
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charge 30 years ago was a is 
negligible. 

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That's a nothing. 
You're not a troublemaker, 

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you're not a man, and and yet 
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the barrel of a pretty 
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things go sideways. 
If the state of New York gets 

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the way that they are arguing 
right now, do you want to lay 

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out the specifics of your case 
now that we kind of just kind of

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briefly touched who you are? 
Sure. 

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So, you know, aside from being 
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know, some years ago I got 
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started something called 
Foundationism. 

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And we can talk about that 
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I make stuff. 
Like, I love making stuff. 

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I love building stuff. 
I make my own furniture. 

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I have a workshop in my 
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I taught myself how to Weld. 
I learned carpentry from my old 

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man. 
I saw him when we bought our 

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first house. 
It was a handyman special and a 

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gut and renovate that house from
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So I've always loved making 
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And when I was a kid, you know, 
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You know, tanks, planes, rifles,
this, that I just love. 

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Loved it all like any red 
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A few years ago I got into 
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I found out that there were 
people who were buying legal 

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parts, You know what what they 
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them to completion, adding parts
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weapons. 
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So I went and I started buying 
legal parts online under my own 

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name, shipped to my house and I 
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I started out with Glock style 
pistols and then I built 8 very 

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sweet AR style rifles and at the
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This is going to be my second 
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You know, I'm getting kind of 
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two A people I'd come across 
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And there was this kind of whole
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community that I really liked, 
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And you and I talked before 
about people like Bill Guiseley,

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who I really looked up to, who 
got his first contract building 

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triggers for the US Army 
sharpshooting team. 

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Like, I love that guy, Kevin. 
And let's just dig into Bill. 

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Let's just talk Bill Guiseley 
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background is not like he's not 
like a guy that grew up doing 

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firearms. 
He was a mechanical engineer and

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and he approached it from a 
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that you have that software 
background and and sort of that 

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problem solving through code 
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Bill Guiseley came about it and 
was like hey I know material 

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science, why are you guys using 
the materials you use why aren't

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you using these processes. 
And so we came at it from a 

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different way. 
I I just the the explosion of 

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interest in as you said the sort
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sort of that that injection of 
new backgrounds and looking at 

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existing problems and saying why
do we assume that it has to be a

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Remington 700 platform. 
Why can't we just start from 

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scratch and build something with
a vault? 

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You know, if we're going to 
manually feed a gun, then why 

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don't we do it the way that we 
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So this attitude is, is very 
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It's in my lifetime. 
It's in your lifetime that 

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people have started doing this. 
It's very cool. 

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So anyway, that I think that is,
that's something that's 

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happening in the gun world right
now and guys like you are and 

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Bill Guiseley is maybe further 
back down the line, but we're 

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getting there where people are 
just bringing novel ideas and 

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backgrounds to the gun world. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

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Oh yeah. 
There's that guy up in New 

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Hampshire, Kevin, I want to say 
Brittingham from Cue Firearms. 

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You. 
Got a contract with Special 

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Forces. 
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I'm like, this is the coolest 
thing I've ever done in my life.

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I'm making, you know, I'm making
American firearms in the 

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traditional way, which is in an 
American home. 

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So anyway, I got into doing this
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it. 
I never brandished. 

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I never took pictures. 
I never took videos. 

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I never talked about it online. 
I never, you know, 'cause I 

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didn't. 
That wasn't the kind of energy I

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was interested in it. 
I kept it quiet and private and 

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while I was doing it and I was I
was doing my prep work, I I 

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applied for membership in my 
local gun range. 

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Passed the criminal background 
check at my local gun range, 

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Westside Rifle and Pistol in 
Manhattan. 

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Took their beginning training 
course. 

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Took their training course for 
the for the Utah concealed carry

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permit. 
Got my fingerprinting, done all 

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that stuff. 
Subscribe to a service called 

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Rocket FFL to learn about the 
different kinds of FFLS and what

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I would need to apply for what 
the process would be in order to

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do this thing legitimately for 
money. 

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You know, and and I have all 
these plans. 

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I was going to buy a piece of 
land in Southern New Hampshire 

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and set up a gun lab there and 
and develop some of these 

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products and systems that I've 
talked with you about before and

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we can talk about that tonight 
if you want. 

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And then in April of 2022, I got
raided by a joint NYPDATF task 

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Basically SWAT team broke my 

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door down, arrested me, hauled 
me off to Rikers Island where I 

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spent a week. 
My bail was almost 1/4 of 

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$1,000,000. 
My family had to put their house

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up to Get Me Out, and the state 
of New York has charged me with 

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several counts of felony weapons
possession. 

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And if they get their way, I'm 
looking at 18 years in prison. 

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Let's talk about the the raid, 
for starters, because I want to.

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I don't want to walk past that. 
I think that's a that's a real 

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thing that exists in the fear in
the hearts of some people. 

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And and it should be, it should 
be something that people can 

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internalize. 
Where were you when when the 

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knock happened? 
There was no knock. 

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Perfect. 
Where were you when there was 

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no? 
There was a no knock warrant. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
You know about those? 

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Yeah, I was. 
I was in bed. 

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I had gone to sleep the night 
before listening to an audio 

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book. 
And I woke up hearing voices 

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that were not the audio book. 
Violence of action, you know, 

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police search warrant for my. 
And the first thing I said was, 

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hello, hello, Hello. 
My name is Dexter Taylor. 

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I live here. 
Who are you guys looking for? 

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Because I thought they had the 
wrong house. 

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Right. 
It it never occurred to me that 

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the state of New York would be 
like, we have to get this guy. 

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Do you know what I'm saying? 
Just so anyway, you know, played

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it cool, played it, you know, 
got arrested like a 

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professional. 
No harsh words or anything like 

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that, you know? 
Hold on like a professional. 

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You. 
You you were a gentleman. 

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You weren't getting arrested 
like a professional. 

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Professionals get arrested all 
the time. 

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We got to be specific. 
That's true. 

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I've seen people who get 
arrested like professionals. 

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They're like, hey man, what's 
up? 

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Hey, I saw you. 
Before, yeah. 

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You don't want to be that guy. 
You don't want to be arrested 

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like a professional. 
You want to be arrested like a 

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gentleman and and like a 
gentleman. 

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Yeah, OK. 
And so you went peacefully and. 

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And you and you didn't didn't 
resist anything. 

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No problems with that. 
Had a had a nice conversation 

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with the officers in the car on 
the way to the 83rd or the 84th 

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or whatever that was. 
Isn't that weird? 

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Yeah, right. 
It's one of the guys, I think 

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his cousin. 
His cousin does Python 

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programming. 
So it's like we talked about 

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they're. 
Like, oh, you're in the code. 

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Like cool. 
Like why are we at your house? 

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Like how did that happen? 
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knowing for people who haven't 
experienced this and you, you're

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going to have a lot more insight
than most. 

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But a lot of times, the people 
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warrant or doing an arrest 
warrant have very little to do 

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with the case. 
They got a quick brief. 

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This guy's got a bunch of guns. 
We're going after the Brooklyn 

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arsenal. 
This is what's happening next. 

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We're kicking the door. 
He's super dangerous. 

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And then they go, oh, he's 
actually like a really nice guy.

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And he sounds like a computer 
program. 

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He's got some pretty cool stuff 
in that house and looks like 

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he's doing some recording. 
That's weird. 

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And then they go back to their 
jobs and they never think about 

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it again. 
Never think of exactly. 

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And your life, meanwhile, is in 
wreckage. 

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IS in wreckage. 
That's right. 

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The yeah, it's like one of the 
funny, funny thing. 

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I just thought it was one of the
one of the cops at the precinct.

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You know when I was in the 
holding cell and every now and 

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then someone would come back and
let me go to the bathroom, 

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whatever and get a drink of 
water. 

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The guy forget his, I forget his
name. 

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But he said we went and it's 
like we had some back and forth.

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And he said, well, everyone says
you're a nice guy, so I'm going 

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to try to figure out what's 
what's going on. 

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Do you know what I'm saying? 
There's always one guy that 

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wants to white knight the 
situation, right? 

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And he's like, we did get the 
wrong guy. 

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Listen, listen, yeah, there 
should have known that. 

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But yeah, so, yeah, felony 
weapons possession. 

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Hang on a second. 
I'm just pouring some more beer.

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This is the. 
Right. 

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Move Right Now, I almost poured 
myself a beer. 

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But if I drank a beer with you, 
I'd be going to sleep in the 

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middle of this, And I don't want
to do that. 

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I want to stay sharp. 
So I got water. 

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Let let's talk about how it came
to be that a man who ordered 

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things off the Internet legally 
in his own name was suddenly on 

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the radar of the NYPD, who had 
no otherwise probable cause to 

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believe that something was going
on in a place that you're not 

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advertising these weapons. 
Let's talk about the specifics 

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of how that goes down. 
Sure. 

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So ATF has been going around the
country to various parts 

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manufacturers and more or less 
demanding customer lists. 

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And some of those manufacturers,
some of those online retailers 

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complied. 
And then ATF would take that 

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list of people and go around to 
local police departments and 

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say, get this guy, get this guy,
get this guy. 

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And of course, it depends on 
which jurisdiction because, for 

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example, if I lived in Texas, 
this wouldn't have been a 

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problem. 
I mean, in fact, if I lived in 

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Texas, I probably would have 
been doing side work, like 

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helping the sheriff's deputies 
maintain their hunting weapons. 

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Or, you know what I'm saying? 
It's like, you know, they would 

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have probably had come to some 
of my barbecues or whatever. 

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Do you know what I'm saying? 
But like, just being New York, 

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that's, that's how it is. 
So yeah, that that's how it 

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happened. 
NYPD, as a matter of fact, has a

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dedicated unit to liaise with 
ATF for just that purpose. 

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Right. 
So when they have like an ATF, 

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they call it, I think they 
actually call it Ghost Gun Unit.

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Oh, perfect. 
So yeah. 

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Now those are the ones that that
can shoot the 30 caliber 

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magazine clips. 
Don't start. 

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Don't start with. 
It it's so bad, how is it the 

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people that know the least about
the thing that we love and like 

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and get excited about are the 
ones that are the most 

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interested in telling you how 
dangerous it is? 

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I saw that. 
I think we also that video of 

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the ATF guy like trying to field
strip a Glock like literally the

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the, the possibly the simplest 
pistol that you could possibly 

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field strip. 
That's it. 

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Like he couldn't do it. 
Did you see the the grand thumb 

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answer to that? 
No, I didn't. 

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So you know who Grand Thumb is, 
right? 

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He's a gun tuber. 
If you guys don't know who he 

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is, they call him a, you know, 
flannel daddy. 

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And so he's a former Air Force 
guy and he has this gun channel.

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It's a big channel. 
They do a lot of fun stuff. 

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They've got a good sense of 
humor. 

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It's very similar to the kind of
sense of humor of the guys that 

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I worked with when I was in the 
military. 

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And so he lines up maybe 12 or 
13 Glock pattern. 

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Firearm. 
He did see that and he like 

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field strip. 
Yeah. 

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And he was like, let's see if 
how many I can do before the 

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ATF, like head of weapons. 
So he goes through them and he's

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like field strip, strip, strip, 
strip, strip. 

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And he's just dropping them 
because he doesn't give a shit 

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because he's got probably all 
the money in the world and all 

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the guns in the world too. 
So he's dropping all these 

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things that you and I would not 
be dropping. 

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And when he gets finished with 
doing it, he's like, it's like 

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12 of them. 
I'm out of clocks, get fucked 

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ATF and he's just so mad. 
But it's the same way that I 

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felt in my heart too watching 
this guy. 

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I'm like, who is this scumbag 
that is, that is, that is, you 

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know, in charge of our weapon 
program. 

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What should, like, get back to 
doing tax stamps, dude, How 

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about you stamp out all the tax 
stamps and make sure that people

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get their suppressors they paid 
their own money for and they're 

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willing to give the government 
$200 just for the right to 

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possess their own property? 
I get real passionate about this

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stuff. 
I get like people don't want to 

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see me offline. 
I I get hated. 

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I hate capital. 
I I let the ATF own me a little 

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bit with the hatred that I have 
for them. 

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Like I gave them the right to be
to make me angry and it and I 

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don't like to be that way. 
And I'm angry for your case too.

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So they've got a ghost gun unit 
and they've liaised with these 

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guys. 
And even though there is no good

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reason why the NYPD specifically
would be able to know anything 

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about it because of the federal 
overlap. 

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Correct. 
We are now dealing with the NYPD

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is now in a place where they are
lawfully. 

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Was. 
Was ATF wasn't even on your 

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search warrant, were they? 
I don't know if they were on. 

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I don't think they were on the 
search warrant you. 

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Didn't see anybody with like ATF
police written on their chest 

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that. 
Oh, on the day, on the Day of 

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the Red, they were there, I saw 
two people with ATF 

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windbreakers, and they've 
vanished immediately after. 

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Like I never we never saw ATF 
against. 

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Do you know why they had to be 
there? 

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I don't know. 
Because the because they were 

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there, they were the probable 
cause to get in, I'm sure of it,

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right. 
So the ATF was the one that 

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generated that. 
So they want to make sure that 

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they're there. 
And now that the the the the 

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task force that's with them is 
part of that, that search. 

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Now they're in a position 
legally to be able to see things

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that are against state law even 
though they're not federal. 

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But but the original issue was 
whether or not like, I don't 

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know, you were making machine 
guns or something like whatever 

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ATF, you know, jurisdiction is. 
So people need to understand how

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how egregious this is. 
This is not like, oh, these guys

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got together and they're trying 
to do this task force because 

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they're interested in, in, you 
know, looking for bad guns, 

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Something like 50% or 57%. 
I think Gun Owners of America 

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put this out today on Twitter. 
57% of the investigations that 

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the ATF is involved in are 
people who have sold less than 

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five guns. 
That's what they're calling 

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illegal gun dealers, you know, 
And that's how you get wrapped 

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up and stuff like this, because 
they're justifying a paycheck 

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instead of doing their damn job 
and looking for, you know, drug 

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dealership, whatever. 
Right. 

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And of course, the thing about 
me is I wasn't even selling 

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guns. 
It's like I didn't. 

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And they know I wasn't because 
they seized my phone, cloned my 

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phone, never returned it. 
They seized my computers. 

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They subpoenaed my e-mail 
records, Right. 

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So they know for a fact that at 
one, I was not here talking to 

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any crazy shit. 
And two, I wasn't transferring 

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weapons, hinting at transferring
weapons, offering gunsmithing 

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services, hinting at gunsmith 
like. 

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There's no money involved. 
This is literally a passion 

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project, a hobbyist thing that 
Americans have done for hundreds

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of years. 
Correct, correct. 

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And I was again, I was trying to
develop legit products and and 

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systems you know we we've talked
about cyclic energy flow. 

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Yeah, let's go into that, blow 
some people's minds a little 

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bit. 
Let's talk about because because

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this is what This is why it's 
worth knowing that when people 

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who come from different 
backgrounds look at things, they

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see different, they see the 
problem differently. 

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And the problem is always the 
same. 

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You have a round, the round goes
in the chamber, it goes down 

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the, you know, barrel. 
There's some gas that's 

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exploded. 
We got to do something with the 

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gas. 
We got to do something with the 

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harmonics on the metal. 
So all these things, they look 

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different to different people. 
To you, what did it look like? 

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It looked like a circuit, you 
know, because I've always been a

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circuits guy. 
You know, I used to, I used to 

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haunt RadioShack when I was a 
kid, you know, and messed on 

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with electronics and what have 
you and. 

453
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,080
And so it's it, you know, after 
I started doing, especially 

454
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,840
after I started building AR 
rifles and I started looking at 

455
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,920
people online who were talking 
about the problems they'd have, 

456
00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,200
You know, I I realized that, oh,
you don't just, you don't just 

457
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,400
build an AR and expect it to be 
operable. 

458
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,400
It has to be tuned. 
That's to be properly tuned and 

459
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:13,600
understanding the way that the 
way that, you know, you touch 

460
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,040
off that round and then the hot 
gas pushes the barrel out the 

461
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,280
muzzle, but then some of the gas
is redirected in order to kick 

462
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,840
the bolt back and literally 
operate the weapon. 

463
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,800
It's like, oh, there's a whole 
all that. 

464
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,520
That whole dance has to happen 
correctly and a lot of things 

465
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760
can go wrong. 
You know you can get, you can 

466
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,920
get failure to feed, you can get
bolt bounce, you can get this 

467
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,160
that. 
Too much gas, not enough gas. 

468
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,040
Gas. 
The over gassed, under gas. 

469
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,160
You know how How's your how's 
your brass ejecting from the 

470
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,120
weapon? 
What's the angle? 

471
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,800
Where is it going? 
And and people just just while 

472
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,360
you're saying that people who 
want to tune like those Glock 

473
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,760
handguns you made those those 
polymer 80s, cause I've done 

474
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,320
this. 
You'll set up a camera behind 

475
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,200
you and you'll watch the the 
angle of the brass and if it's 

476
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,160
consistent, you know it's 
feeding properly. 

477
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,160
And if you're having problems 
and it's all over the place you 

478
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,000
go, well, maybe I've got too 
much spring or not enough 

479
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960
spring. 
Maybe I got a hot enough bullet 

480
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,760
or not a hot enough load. 
Like there's all these games 

481
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,960
playing. 
And I'll tell you my first 

482
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,480
failure that I ever had with an 
AR which I bought in in a gun 

483
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,920
show in Kansas. 
It wasn't seated. 

484
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,280
The gas block wasn't seated, so 
it walked and at some point I 

485
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,520
had a bolt action AR and I was 
going like, that's not really 

486
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,680
what I wanted out of this. 
I didn't know anything about the

487
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,440
gun, though. 
And if you don't know, you're 

488
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,760
like, why? 
Why is this not working? 

489
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,480
The Gremlins aren't doing their 
job in there. 

490
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,520
And then you realize, aha, I got
to seat the gas block right 

491
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,120
where it needs to be. 
The gas block has to be the 

492
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,080
right size, not too big, not too
small, all this kind of stuff. 

493
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,000
That's right. 
Well, it's funny you say that 

494
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,320
because I remember, I think it's
been a long time. 

495
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:46,880
But I think the barrels that I 
got had had a little nub on the 

496
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,160
on the opposite side of the 
journal bearing so that you 

497
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,240
could, you could type in the 
grub screw and it would like it 

498
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,920
was more likely that it wouldn't
walk because there was a little 

499
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960
recess to take the screw so that
it would. 

500
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,400
Right. 
It would seat properly anyway. 

501
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,120
So yeah, I was like, oh, this is
a circuit, right? 

502
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:13,120
And and the different components
in the weapon are are can be 

503
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:18,200
likened to circuit components. 
So the barrel is actually a wire

504
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,600
because it's a mass flow circuit
right now as opposed to the 

505
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,080
circuit that has these lights on
for example, which is you're 

506
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,320
moving electrons around around a
path, you're moving mass around 

507
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,360
a path and so the barrel in that
sense is a wire, right. 

508
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:37,080
And then the you you could look 
at the, the, the, the hole in 

509
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,920
your in your the whole leading 
up to your gas block. 

510
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,120
That's a resistor because 
because that's constricting your

511
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,920
flow. 
Your gas tube is another wire, 

512
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,960
right? 
The bolt carrier group is a 

513
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,440
resistor because in physics 
that's what masses do. 

514
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,120
They resist movement, right? 
The law. 

515
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,200
They resist acceleration of the 
law of inertia. 

516
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,840
And your buffer weight is also a
resistor, and your buffer spring

517
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,400
is a capacitor, right? 
And so I started thinking, well,

518
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,520
what if you could apply 
electrical engineering 

519
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,840
principles to this thing? 
And if you could kind of build a

520
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,080
universal receiver and fire off 
a few 100 or a few thousand 

521
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080
rounds different loads and what 
have you. 

522
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,920
Then if you know a few basics up
front. 

523
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,080
If you know your your your your 
projectile mass and maybe your 

524
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,200
powder type and maybe your 
powder weight, your grain weight

525
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,760
of your powder charge, then you 
should be able to plug in 

526
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,240
everything else right? 
Like the length of your gas 

527
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,040
system and sudden you know your 
dwell time, whatever and and and

528
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,160
the mass of your well. 
You should be able to plug in 

529
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,000
some numbers and come up with a 
weapon that's roughly in or come

530
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080
up with the masses and weights 
right? 

531
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,040
That would give you a weapon 
that is roughly in tune. 

532
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,600
And now I. 
Will say I don't think. 

533
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,000
I invented this. 
I think that the big 

534
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,160
manufacturers have done this. 
They probably have. 

535
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,640
Right. 
It's, it's proprietary. 

536
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,240
You know it's it's internal, 
right? 

537
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:03,800
It's not. 
Open. 

538
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,840
Source to write some software 
and open source. 

539
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,200
Yeah, well. 
And The thing is, this, like 

540
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,560
this already exists for 
Ballistics. 

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,280
People can already take an 
existing rifle with an existing 

542
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,440
barrel length. 
You plug in the length of the 

543
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,800
barrel, you get a chronograph of
your average speed. 

544
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,520
If you know what your speed is, 
you know what your projectile 

545
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,920
is. 
You can find out how far that 

546
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,040
bolt's going to go, if you have 
the right coefficients of drag. 

547
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,120
And so on. 
So once there are programs on 

548
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,720
the outside of the gun, but if 
you're building your own weapon 

549
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,560
system and you personally want 
to tune it because you're a 

550
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,640
hobbyist, you're looking for 
bringing that Ballistics 

551
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560
principles and say, hey, what's 
the algorithmic sort of thing 

552
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,920
where I just move a couple of 
variables around and get this 

553
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,280
gun into tune. 
Which is a thing that would be 

554
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,200
interesting to a hobby gun maker
who's out there making one offs 

555
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,880
and saying, I want to do this 
interesting thing, I want to 

556
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600
make a monolithic receiver or I 
want to make something that has 

557
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,160
a modular barrel swap. 
I don't know. 

558
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,440
All these kind of fun things. 
Exactly so you could so instead 

559
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,440
of these hobbyists happen to be 
like, oh I bought this bulk 

560
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,200
carrier group but that's too 
heavy. 

561
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,280
I got to buy a different one or 
have to mess around with with my

562
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,640
my buffer weights and my springs
and their do trial and error. 

563
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,040
I just thought it would be a lot
more fun for hobbyists if they 

564
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,680
could have a piece of software 
that said OK this is my barrel 

565
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,920
link, this is my valve whatever.
And I'm using this powder, and 

566
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,120
this is my grain weight, and 
this is my grain weight of 

567
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840
propellant, Grain weight of 
projectile. 

568
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,440
OK, you need to use roughly 
these weights, you know. 

569
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,280
For your buffer. 
Or you may need to screw around 

570
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,680
with upping your spring tension.
So yeah, simple thing. 

571
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,880
Wherever the easiest and 
cheapest way to tinker with it, 

572
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,160
you might want to play that. 
That's exactly right. 

573
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,440
You know, so I saw I I was 
developing that and. 

574
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,800
Well, thank God. 
Thank God New York stopped you 

575
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,320
from that. 
Because, God forbid, I mean, 

576
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,880
right, The thing I love is that 
you? 

577
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,360
Have a horror. 
You got a good sense of humor 

578
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,640
about how stupid all this is. 
Horror and moral terror. 

579
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,360
Let's let's zoom back out again 
for a minute, if you will. 

580
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000
What's going on with New York 
and the fear of guns? 

581
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,160
Why is it like that? 
Well, here's the thing. 

582
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,560
I think, I don't think New York.
I don't think there's a broad 

583
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,880
based fear of guns in the New 
York population. 

584
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,600
I mean, I think there's the fear
of people of being brutalized or

585
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,480
terrorized by by wicked people 
with guns. 

586
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,760
But I don't think most ordinary 
kind of working class New 

587
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,240
Yorkers and working class New 
Yorkers definitely outnumber the

588
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,560
elites, right? 
I don't think there's some broad

589
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,960
fear of guns among them. 
I think that New York has been, 

590
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,080
as you say, captured by 
progressives. 

591
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,720
And what do we know about 
progressives? 

592
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,480
Well, we know that they believe 
in the perfectibility of human 

593
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,640
society through administrative 
means, right? 

594
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,960
So if that's what you believe in
and that's your program, we are 

595
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,160
going to perfect human society. 
We using the instrument of the 

596
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,760
administrative state. 
You can't have people defending 

597
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,960
themselves. 
Like, no. 

598
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,160
What are you? 
What are you talking about? 

599
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Right, you need. 
For that matter, for that 

600
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,400
matter, you can't have like 
tight knit families and tight 

601
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,160
close knit communities and all 
these and and these old 

602
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,160
loyalties and the faith of your 
father's and all these 

603
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,720
traditions. 
You can't have all that because 

604
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800
we have this program and you 
have to get with the program, Do

605
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,320
you know what I'm saying? 
Like, like we're trying to 

606
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,520
perfect society here and you're 
in the way. 

607
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800
So you got to go and whatever 
you hold dear, that's got to go.

608
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,360
And if you have a constitution 
that says you have a right to do

609
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,600
this because you're a human 
being and and that right, you 

610
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,920
know, you have that natural 
right that adheres to you and we

611
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,800
can't interfere with that. 
Well, that's got to go. 

612
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,480
That's self, yeah. self-reliance
is not part of their program. 

613
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,320
They probably don't like gardens
on the roof either, I'm 

614
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,480
guessing. 
Probably not. 

615
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,320
No, we got to regulate that too.
Before we got going today, one 

616
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440
of the things that I I laughed 
about is that I don't do 

617
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,200
Saturday night shows in general.
So we've got folks that are 

618
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,040
joining us for the first time on
a Saturday night. 

619
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,240
And I said it's a Saturday night
special, which has a kind of a 

620
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,760
double entendre. 
It's kind of a double meeting. 

621
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,440
You want to kind of tell people 
what that is and then maybe 

622
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,520
we'll unpack that a bit. 
There's some fun about that. 

623
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,880
Well, this was, but back in the 
70s, I remember when they talked

624
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,760
about Saturday night specials 
and of course in the news they 

625
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560
talk a Saturday night special is
a revolver. 

626
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,000
It's a low cost revolver 
essentially, right. 

627
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,120
I think it's relatively shorter 
intermediate length barrel 

628
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,600
revolver. 
And in the 70s when we started 

629
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,720
hearing about this, it was in 
the context of robberies. 

630
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,920
People are doing all these 
robberies with these Saturday 

631
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,520
night specials and this is a 
problem. 

632
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,080
But it turns out, and and I can,
I think I learned, I might have 

633
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:52,080
learned this from you is that it
was really about this a wave of 

634
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:58,280
kind of affordable personal 
firearms, you know, that that 

635
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,920
became available, right, that 
people could buy to defend 

636
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,120
themselves. 
And of course wicked people got 

637
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,800
their hands on them and use them
to attack the decent. 

638
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,480
But there was nothing, in 
retrospect, there was nothing 

639
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,120
particularly wicked about the 
Saturday night special. 

640
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,280
It was just that that was what 
our betters in in the media 

641
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,440
decided. 
We needed to hear about that 

642
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,960
kind of weapon like, oh you 
know, be afraid of these 

643
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,480
weapons. 
Well and and the legacy of the 

644
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,480
of the Saturday night special 
these inexpensive usually 

645
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,720
imported semi low quality but 
functional handguns was that 

646
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,120
black people were using them to 
do crimes. 

647
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,200
This is where it really came 
down to it and this is the this 

648
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,560
is one of many many many 
instances of race tinged gun 

649
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120
control which we didn't 
necessarily we don't necessarily

650
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,040
have to dwell on it too much but
somebody I I pushed pushed 

651
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,680
something out there the other 
day on Twitter and I just said 

652
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,960
gun control is racist changed my
mind and and everybody goes well

653
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,360
no anybody that knows the 
history of gun control and 

654
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,560
weapons control in general knows
that it goes back pre US 

655
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,840
constitution. 
There are parts and codes that 

656
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,640
existed all the way back into 
the 1600s on this continent that

657
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,080
we're trying to restrict black 
people from having knives. 

658
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,880
That's the earliest one that I'm
aware of was in New Orleans and 

659
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,920
it was about blades because 
that's what people carried. 

660
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,480
And and it was about how do we 
make sure that we handle this 

661
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,440
problem. 
And then some of our major gun 

662
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,640
control issues, and particularly
the Gun Control Act of of 1968 

663
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,360
was specifically right after 
race riots that started 

664
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,280
happening. 
And they went, well, we're going

665
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,200
to use this fear that we've got 
right there this moment, and 

666
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,960
we're going to get some control.
And I don't think it has to do 

667
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,000
with whether they were scared of
black people or even racism, but

668
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,480
they certainly drummed it up and
they use that as kind of the 

669
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,280
specter of it. 
And Saturday night specials were

670
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,480
primarily what were outlawed 
during that time. 

671
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,400
And and the story was, is that 
if you listen to people that are

672
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,320
pro gun like me, it's like, 
well, that's what people who 

673
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,400
don't have a lot of money would 
get to defend their home. 

674
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Because if you don't have a lot 
of money, but you got 50 bucks 

675
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,440
and you can buy yourself a $50 
revolver, you show me anybody 

676
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,840
that wants to run through the 
door when there's a $50 revolver

677
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400
on the other side of it, I'm 
going to show you a liar. 

678
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680
It's like people say, what's the
best caliber? 

679
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,400
It's like whatever caliber you 
have that you can point at. 

680
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,960
Somebody caring which, yeah, 
when, when the trouble jumps 

681
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,280
off. 
Right. 

682
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,640
I knew a guy that would run 
around with a 22 Derringer. 

683
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,480
It's like, do you want to you 
want to screw with that guy? 

684
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,320
He's got a 22 derringer. 
He'll shoot you and it'll still 

685
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,680
suck. 
Nobody wants that. 

686
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,640
So it's very interesting. 
Knock down power is a myth. 

687
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880
It's like, don't get shot with 
this 22. 

688
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Yeah, just don't get shot. 
Most people are not going to try

689
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,160
to take that risk. 
If it looks like you're serious 

690
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,880
about pulling a trigger then you
know that's that's the whole 

691
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,800
story about the sound of the the
12 gauge shotgun. 

692
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,360
It's not that people think 
they're going to get hit with a 

693
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,040
shotgun is that they don't get 
hit with anything and they can 

694
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,920
hear the shotgun it's just loud 
in any case. 

695
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,680
But the the the just the kind of
the amuse me like you said don't

696
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,440
get mystical on me is what you 
sent me this text. 

697
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,920
But the the idea that we're 
doing this Saturday night 

698
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,280
special, we're talking about 
this, there is this weird fear 

699
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520
and I always wondered whether it
was race based, whether it's 

700
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,440
just because people are in close
proximity in New York, is that 

701
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
some of it or if it really is 
that progressive small number of

702
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,680
people steering the the ship and
and just running off liberty. 

703
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,560
I think it's the small number of
people steering the ship. 

704
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,800
I really do. 
And you know, I I should add 

705
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400
that you know, there are there 
are right wing progressives as 

706
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,240
well. 
You know let's talk about part 

707
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,120
of the well, that's part of the 
problem, right. 

708
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,640
It's like you're. 
I don't know if you're familiar 

709
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,920
with Sonny Johnson. 
You might be. 

710
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
I think you were in one or two 
of her spaces maybe. 

711
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:37,280
But Sonny Johnson is a black 
conservative and she's she's one

712
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,920
of the real ones. 
You know, I always say that I, 

713
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,800
I, I probably don't have, I 
don't have a bigger profile 

714
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,880
because I don't talk like Larry 
Elder or Candace Owens or Jason 

715
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Whitlock. 
Right. 

716
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,520
What? 
What is their style that caught 

717
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040
on to people, do you think, 
looking from the outside and 

718
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,800
diagnosing that? 
Oh, oh, talking shit about black

719
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,600
people. 
That's their. 

720
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720
That's their style. 
Okay I I did tell. 

721
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,080
I did tell Larry Elder when I 
saw him at Freedom Fest in 

722
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,440
Memphis, that I didn't think it 
was a good idea to hang out with

723
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,920
him. 
I didn't want him around me 

724
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,159
because having recently been 
thrown out of the FBI, I thought

725
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,560
being seen with the black face 
of white supremacy was not a 

726
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,800
good look for me. 
And he did laugh about it. 

727
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,679
He's got a good sense of humor 
so but but also they're like 

728
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,280
everybody was there kind of 
kissing his ass and because he's

729
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,880
he's kind of a big name in the 
area and and like I'm like I 

730
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,679
don't know he's just a dude 
who's got two different colored 

731
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:30,920
shoes on. 
I don't know if that's a thing 

732
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,679
that he does. 
It was amusing to me. 

733
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,120
I just wanted to say if I see if
I catch him off guard, he 

734
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,800
laughed. 
To his credit, he laughed about 

735
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,239
that. 
So. 

736
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Yeah, I mean, I look, you know, 
the the one of the problems with

737
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,480
look, if you've been in my 
spaces or heard my content, you 

738
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,600
know that I what I'm always 
saying is that, and I've been 

739
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,239
saying this for a long, long 
time, is that black Americans 

740
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,120
are actually staunchly 
conservative. 

741
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,120
That's just a fact. 
I was telling people this. 

742
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,440
I'm getting into arguments about
it. 

743
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,880
Back when I was still on the 
left. 

744
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920
I was saying this because people
were trying to come up with all 

745
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,720
these reasons why. 
Well, it's like why why aren't, 

746
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,280
why don't more black, Why aren't
there more black Republicans? 

747
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,320
And I'm like, well, you know, 
your attitude is one of sneering

748
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,840
contempt. 
That's why like it's it's not 

749
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
attractive. 
What what do you mean you know 

750
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,120
you you want to come at me and 
you want to you want to you you 

751
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,000
want your pitch to be a noun A 
verb and plantation. 

752
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,400
Well I'm sorry that's yeah. 
That's no that that's not a that

753
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,800
that's a terrible pitch. 
That's a terrible. 

754
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,720
Pitch That's selling a negative.
That's not selling an 

755
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,720
opportunity. 
It's not just that. 

756
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,280
I mean selling a negative you 
can sell. 

757
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,800
I'm like, I'm a problem solver, 
so you could actually sell me a 

758
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400
negative and I'll be like, oh, a
problem, sure, let's solve it. 

759
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,360
But the problem is like, I'd I'm
very suspicious of people when 

760
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,320
people seem to be trying to get 
me to switch off my critical 

761
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,320
thinking and try. 
And when you started the 

762
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,040
conversation by trying to shock 
me with this specter of chattel 

763
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,560
slavery, like, right away my 
bullshit detector goes into 

764
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,160
OverDrive. 
I'm like, why are you trying to 

765
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,400
shock me with this word? 
You know, in other words, make 

766
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,920
your point and move on. 
You know what I'm saying? 

767
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,960
So it's like this, a plantation,
plantation, plantation. 

768
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,240
Like that could be a starting 
point, but that shouldn't be the

769
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,040
ending point, that shouldn't be 
the mic drop. 

770
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,560
It shouldn't even be a starting 
point because the fact that. 

771
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,000
There's some simple minds out 
there. 

772
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,720
Look, look, look, it's like make
your case, make a conservative 

773
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,560
case. 
That's it. 

774
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,840
And as far as I'm as far as I'm 
concerned in in New York City 

775
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,360
for example, there are plenty of
people, Smithsonian black people

776
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,160
specifically, who are property 
owners, who own brownstones, who

777
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,840
own whatever. 
We have businesses, right? 

778
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,440
And they're intra, they're 
they're ready to hear a message 

779
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,880
about smaller government. 
The problem is that a lot of 

780
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,720
conservatives, when they, when 
they bother to come talk to us, 

781
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,000
they never talk about that. 
They want to talk about crime 

782
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,680
and welfare. 
Well, listen, we know about 

783
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,000
crime and most of us actually 
have serious problems with the 

784
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,360
welfare system. 
You know, I remember my parents 

785
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,720
and all their friends when when 
I'd hear them talking politics 

786
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,640
when I was a kid, they'd be 
complaining about the welfare 

787
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,960
system. 
They'd be complaining about the 

788
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,200
fact that, well, hang on a 
second. 

789
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,320
How come I've got to, you know, 
drag my ass out of the house 

790
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
every morning? 
I got to walk past people who 

791
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,760
are waiting to get a check and 
they're having all these babies 

792
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
that they can't afford to raise 
themselves. 

793
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,560
So we have to raise them. 
What's up with that? 

794
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,160
OK. 
But some that there's a segment 

795
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,120
of conservative America that 
doesn't understand that they 

796
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,320
they somehow they're just 
unwilling to give their fellow 

797
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,000
citizens the grace of assuming 
that they're human beings 

798
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,320
capable of reason and so and and
and that's the problem. 

799
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,080
So that's one problem. 
Well, the other problem is what 

800
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,880
you just said there is that they
fundamentally are looking and 

801
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,040
saying that urban people living 
in, you know, people living in 

802
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,680
urban areas that are black are 
not like me. 

803
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,080
That's what they're that's the 
thought. 

804
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,800
They're like, well, they're 
different than me. 

805
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,240
It's like why? 
It's never been my. 

806
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,160
Experience, but it's weird. 
You can say they're different 

807
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,720
people, but I mean, they have 
the same kind of interest. 

808
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,400
It's like if you own property, 
you're trying to protect what 

809
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
you have from the from the 
overreaching state. 

810
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,200
You know you want a good life 
for your children, what have 

811
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,120
you. 
So progressives have captured 

812
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,560
New York. 
Conservatives have decided that 

813
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,240
New York and cities like it are 
not worth saving because, 

814
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
because very many conservatives,
I'm sorry to say, don't know how

815
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,240
to do math. 
They are numerically illiterate.

816
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,000
They can't do basic. 
They can't look at an election, 

817
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,800
turn out graph and do basic 
calculations. 

818
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Well I think you're, I think 
you're assuming that they're 

819
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,120
looking at that. 
I think you're assuming they 

820
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,760
look at that graph. 
Guys like me who look and go, I 

821
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,720
can't ever live in the state of 
New York ever because all the 

822
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,240
things I got AI got a closet 
full of felonies over there. 

823
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,560
I'm not doing that right. 
And and you know I I basically 

824
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,960
move based on where I can keep 
the things that I already own. 

825
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,800
But but I've never looked at 
them. 

826
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,240
I've never looked at an election
graph and thought wouldn't it be

827
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,760
worth trying to flip that sucker
because there's only a small 

828
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,600
fraction of people that are 
showing up for each election. 

829
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,240
And I've never done that. 
I've never done it. 

830
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,240
It's never even occurred to me 
And that's why I've enjoyed 

831
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,640
talking to you because some of 
the things you've said is why do

832
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,000
you consider it seated 
territory. 

833
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,040
And I was like, I don't know, 
it's just doesn't seem like we 

834
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,000
can win because the because they
keep losing but maybe change. 

835
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,480
Well, yeah it's, it's that's 
exactly right. 

836
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,800
It's like look if you if you 
look at the turn out graph and 

837
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,360
you know in in very many quote 
UN quote blue cities, right. 

838
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520
What you find is that the turn 
out is very low among black 

839
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,960
people let's say. 
I mean I looked, I did this for 

840
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,000
Boston and a couple other cities
and it was like these turn out 

841
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,040
numbers were like less than 50% 
in many cases. 

842
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,800
So you have like the majority of
black voters who are eligible to

843
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,560
vote, not voting, right? 
And then you say, well, 

844
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,960
Democrats have a stranglehold. 
What stranglehold? 

845
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,240
In other words, 90% of the 30% 
of black voters who do vote, 

846
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120
let's say with the the 40% who 
do, 90% of those vote for 

847
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,240
Democrats. 
But but you have a whole 5060% 

848
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,280
who are just sitting at home. 
Is anyone talking to them? 

849
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,760
If not, why not? 
What's the matter with you? 

850
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,440
Right. 
And and and so this idea that 

851
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,080
well. 
We're just not going to go for 

852
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,640
the It's not worth it to us. 
Really, It's not worth it. 

853
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,720
Oh, OK, fine. 
And that's and that's crazy 

854
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:22,640
because states like California 
which is solidly blue because of

855
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,080
the urban areas, that's why the 
cities Vote Blue. 

856
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,920
A lot of them are like really 
bad idea people in your business

857
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,480
who just who vote for things and
vote away their own rights as 

858
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,720
best they can. 
Which is weird on on some 

859
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,520
misplaced sort of social 
compassion maybe. 

860
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,200
But but there are more 
Republicans and I'm I'm not a 

861
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,480
Republican. 
I know you're not a Republican, 

862
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440
but there's more Republicans in 
California than any other state.

863
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,120
There's just also more 
Democrats, it turns out. 

864
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,960
So they lose. 
Correct. 

865
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,920
And also in in San Francisco. 
I'd be willing to bet that the 

866
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,480
working class people in San Fran
outnumber the Silicon Valley 

867
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,320
kids. 
They got to. 

868
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,080
Right. 
So they got to so so again the 

869
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,960
question is why can't you talk 
to these people And and you know

870
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,560
it's it's this it's this weird 
kind of diabolic pride. 

871
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Like, no. 
Like, my approach is perfect. 

872
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160
And if my approach isn't 
working, the problem is with 

873
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480
someone else. 
Well, I mean, I like that. 

874
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,560
I also kind of viscerally reject
that right in my career. 

875
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,600
You know, one of the things I've
learned by the way I've learned 

876
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:25,200
this partly, you know, sidebar 
like thinking about military 

877
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,880
people and and how like military
people do things and their 

878
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,440
attitude toward information and 
their attitude toward 

879
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,400
responsibility and their kind of
proprietary attitude to things 

880
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,840
they're responsible for. 
That was a big influence on my 

881
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,240
career. 
Like I decided to look at these 

882
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,400
people and say how can I use 
what they do and and their kind 

883
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,040
of way of looking at the world 
to become a better software 

884
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,720
engineer. 
And so one thing was, you know, 

885
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,400
you take responsibility. 
Like, like this is my problem. 

886
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,960
This is my problem, right. 
But what do I see from so-called

887
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,080
conservatives? 
The problem is with somebody 

888
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,200
else. 
It's not my problem. 

889
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
It's like my bad outreach. 
No, that's someone else's 

890
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,680
problem. 
No, they're brainwashed over 

891
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,160
there. 
That's their that's that's the 

892
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,880
problem that they're not capable
of reason because my my way of 

893
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,120
reasoning is so, you know, 
recondite that they can't 

894
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,040
possibly. 
It's like, no, like your 

895
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,880
outreach sucks, dude. 
It's just it's terrible. 

896
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,960
And I mean it's manifestly here,
but look, didn't didn't a bunch 

897
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,080
of conservatives so-called 
PayPal conservatives, Didn't a 

898
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,720
bunch of them get up on their 
hind legs when Trump got a mug 

899
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,240
shot, when when he went to 
Georgia to get his mug shot 

900
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,920
taken and they were like, oh, 
he's got a mug shot. 

901
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Black people are going to love 
him now it's like, what are you 

902
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,040
talking about? 
Stupid? 

903
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,640
No less a person, no less a 
person, Dinesh D'souza said. 

904
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,120
Literally said in writing, Trump
is the gangster for black 

905
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,040
America. 
First of all, stupid. 

906
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,840
We hate gangsters. 
You understand what I'm saying? 

907
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,960
It's like we're family people. 
Like we don't like gangsters and

908
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:01,680
gang bangers and drive by 
shoots. 

909
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Like we hate those people 
because they're a threat to us 

910
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,160
and to our families. 
Dumb ass. 

911
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,800
It's the matter with you that 
makes. 

912
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,760
Perfect sense. 
Here's the thing that I've been 

913
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,200
I've been trying to. 
It occurred back to me when I 

914
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,520
talk to people that are young, 
because I had, I got into this 

915
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,320
this discussion with a couple 
young people and I brought up 

916
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,080
the other day and I actually did
a whole show on this and the 

917
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,960
show was entitled Conservatives,
What are you conserving? 

918
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,640
We did a big space on it and all
I want to do is I want to ask 

919
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,600
people that simple question and 
it goes to the heart of what 

920
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,200
you're talking about. 
Also, anybody who's ever been an

921
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,600
instructor and I know that when 
you're a coder, you're always 

922
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,760
learning, but you're also always
teaching because that's what 

923
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,280
that's what debugging is about. 
You got to go through and you're

924
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,160
teaching yourself and you're 
other people are teaching you 

925
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,200
what you OK, if you are not 
properly delivering information 

926
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,960
to someone. 
There are two parts to every 

927
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,200
equation, right? 
There's that there's the 

928
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
transmission and there's the 
reception TX and RX that happens

929
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,520
in radio. 
It happens in a lot of network 

930
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,920
traffic. 
If we are not getting 

931
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,120
information across, the failure 
is in one of the two. 

932
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,920
It might be that the receiver is
not doing the job, but it may be

933
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,880
that you are not transmitting A 
receivable information. 

934
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,480
And so I I constantly have six 
different metaphors, 6 different

935
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,360
imagery, 6 different ways that 
we can talk about something. 

936
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,640
When I talk about guns, Yeah, 
It's like, OK, let's talk about 

937
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,160
this. 
OK. 

938
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Think about a throttle. 
Oh, you don't like a throttle? 

939
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,760
Like, let's think about this. 
Let's think about that. 

940
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
You know this different thing. 
We got to look at a, a, a 

941
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,080
gradual weight. 
I will give you different images

942
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,240
because if it doesn't resonate 
with you, if you've never driven

943
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:30,240
A5 speed and you don't know how 
to use a clutch, that's not 

944
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,360
going to be useful to you. 
So I will move on from that and 

945
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,800
I will give you so. 
So the the question was what are

946
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,480
you conserving? 
And what? 

947
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,680
I was not shocked to learn, but 
maybe maybe I raised surprise 

948
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080
like a little bit. 
Like, oh, I had a young gal. 

949
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,240
I said what are you conserving? 
She's part of a young 

950
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,960
conservatives organization, a 
young GOP group. 

951
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,400
And she said, well, you, you 
know, like the, like the, you 

952
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520
know, the Constitution stuff and
the 2A. 

953
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,120
And I said, you're going to tell
me hashtags. 

954
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,680
Is that what you're going to? 
That's what you're conserving. 

955
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,280
They're hashtags. 
It's like, Hon, I'm not trying 

956
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,760
to be mean to you. 
What I'm trying to have you do 

957
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,040
is do critical thinking. 
It's so important to me that you

958
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,320
actually know the things that 
you are trying to conserve. 

959
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,880
And once you do, then you know 
how to connect with other people

960
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,760
that want to conserve those and 
you know how to communicate why 

961
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,000
those things are worth 
conserving. 

962
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,080
That's right. 
And also why we've lost most of 

963
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,400
those things. 
We got to probably actually not 

964
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,840
conserve them, but go get them 
because we got to actually we 

965
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,800
got to be progressive about 
getting those things back at 

966
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,960
this point. 
Well, I mean, look, you know, 

967
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,000
thinking about it's, it's funny 
because when I hear my MAGA 

968
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,600
brethren speak like I'm not 
MAGA, but I have a lot of MAGA 

969
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,320
people in my circle. 
And when I hear them speak, you 

970
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,560
know, they, they talk about 
rhinos, you know, Republicans in

971
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,440
name only and so on and so 
forth. 

972
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,840
And it's like all these people 
up on the Hill and there's 

973
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,440
there's a swamp up on Capitol 
Hill. 

974
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,240
Here's what's interesting, 
right? 

975
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,120
How come all these Republicans 
have been in office for so long,

976
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,200
right? 
I mean, if I'm supposed to be on

977
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,000
a plantation, right. 
And I'm supposed to be some 

978
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,640
benighted savage who just 
doesn't understand his own best 

979
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,760
interests, right? 
Then it's like, well, okay, you 

980
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,360
tell me why. 
Bro, listen to me. 

981
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Listen to me. 
Mitch McConnell is so old, 

982
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,920
right? 
Dirt gives him mad respect. 

983
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Do you know what I'm saying? 
Like. 

984
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,760
I call the Jerry ocracy. 
I've done people are like, 

985
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,480
they're like, what about Chuck 
Grassley? 

986
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,920
He's great. 
I'm like, Chuck Grassley is 

987
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,680
1000. 
Like I want Chuck Grassley out 

988
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,200
25 years ago. 
I want, I want Mitch McConnell 

989
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,640
gone. 
I think if you're over the age 

990
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,800
of like 65, like if you're too 
old to do regular jobs, if you 

991
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,800
would have normally left because
you're not there, why on earth 

992
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920
are you trying to die on the 
floor of the Senate? 

993
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,880
But look. 
I agree with you on this. 

994
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,240
But let's take that off the 
board, off the table. 

995
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,920
Second, forget about age limits.
It's just like they're not 

996
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,920
delivering. 
You're complaining about them. 

997
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120
You're complaining about the 
terrible things they keep voting

998
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,120
for and they keep, right? 
So then why have they been there

999
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,680
for this long? 
Don't tell me that's because of 

1000
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,160
the magical brainwashing machine
that Democrat, the Democratic 

1001
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,040
Party has. 
Because that's that's in your 

1002
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:03,720
house. 
You see. 

1003
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,360
So, so. 
Have you ever seen those 

1004
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,840
surveys? 
You talked about numbers 

1005
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,680
earlier. 
I want to ask you this. 

1006
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,160
You ever seen the surveys, the 
popularity or the like? 

1007
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,320
The What do they call the 
approval rating of Congress? 

1008
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,520
You ever seen? 
It's it's it's like it's like 

1009
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,880
toilet bowl low. 
Right. 

1010
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Yeah. 
It's it's it's a little bit, 

1011
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,520
it's a little bit higher than 
syphilis. 

1012
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,040
Right, essentially like 
moderately higher, but like 

1013
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,360
slightly less than, like, you 
know, chocolate covered. 

1014
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,400
Dog on who's? 
It depends on who's hot this 

1015
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,760
weekend. 
You know, it's like. 

1016
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,440
Syphilis. 
Syphilis is trending. 

1017
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,120
It's it's looking good. 
No, I like chocolate covered dog

1018
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,160
shit. 
Then then there's Congress, then

1019
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,800
there's syphilis. 
I think that's the three levels.

1020
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,320
OK, so people are like, well, 
there's chocolate and it may be 

1021
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,480
dog shit. 
OK, that's where. 

1022
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,040
OK, so that's Congress. 
But here's the thing. 

1023
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,120
People's individual Congress 
person always rage quite high. 

1024
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,240
And this has been a game going 
on since I was a kid. 

1025
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,240
I remember hearing about it even
when I was in high school. 

1026
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,880
They said the reason why is 
every single Congress person 

1027
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,840
comes home and says this 
Congress is a bunch of crooks. 

1028
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,120
They're a bunch of evil doers. 
Look what they're doing to this 

1029
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,840
country. 
You got to send me back there to

1030
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,080
fight them. 
I've been fighting them for 50 

1031
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,360
years. 
Keep sending me back. 

1032
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,120
I'm doing a great job of not 
fighting them and everybody just

1033
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,760
goes like Oh well, he said he's 
fighting them. so-called the 

1034
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,160
lever. 
There's that. 

1035
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,760
There's some of that, right? 
It's just failure to look and 

1036
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440
see. 
We love politician, but we don't

1037
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,320
equate them with results. 
I love 0 politicians. 

1038
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,200
I only care about outcomes. 
Right. 

1039
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,160
And and here's the thing, I 
wouldn't, I wouldn't be so salty

1040
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,520
about that in particular. 
Except that the same people who 

1041
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,000
keep sending the Chuck 
Grassley's and the Mitch 

1042
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,440
McConnell's back to do the same 
terrible job, right? 

1043
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Want to look at me and say, 
like, will you people keep 

1044
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,200
voting for people who were doing
you no good? 

1045
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,720
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi is your 
fault. 

1046
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Then Chuck Schumer's your fault.
Right, exactly. 

1047
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,440
And it's like, but what again? 
So so Mitch, McConnell's your 

1048
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,760
fault then. 
And that that aside, the other 

1049
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,600
thing again is that people look,
let me back up a second some 

1050
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,000
back story. 
When I stopped, when I left the 

1051
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,920
left, right, I didn't jump to 
the right. 

1052
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,440
I didn't go to the Republicans 
because again, I thought that, 

1053
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,520
well, how can I put this like, I
look, I'm a black dude. 

1054
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,120
I don't worship my own skin 
because that's idolatry. 

1055
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,920
But I'm, I love my people, 
right? 

1056
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,160
And I love my tribe. 
And I just didn't like that. 

1057
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,200
You know, Again, that whole 
sneering contempt that I seem to

1058
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,920
hear from Republicans all the 
time. 

1059
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:39,480
So I started my own thing called
Foundationism, and I have a 

1060
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,480
manifesto. 
I wrote our, you know, the 

1061
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,760
Foundationist Manifesto. 
And the first point in the 

1062
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,640
Foundationist Manifesto is see 
deeply. 

1063
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,120
The second point in the 
manifesto is listen closely. 

1064
00:49:52,640 --> 00:50:00,200
The third is reason, honestly. 
So, you know, I think and and I 

1065
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,760
wrote that manifesto and I 
designed this system because I 

1066
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,840
wanted us to. 
I I I didn't think that we were 

1067
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,320
going to solve all our problems 
if we just got rid of the 

1068
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,080
lefties. 
I thought that a good first step

1069
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,840
to solving our problems was 
enabling us to have higher 

1070
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:20,280
quality arguments about the 
things that are wrong with our 

1071
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Republic, with our systems. 
Yeah, so it's like everyone, and

1072
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,440
I remember I was inspired by 
this. 

1073
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,320
Well, by many things. 
But there was this interview 

1074
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,760
that I think Norman was it 
Norman Mailer did, where he said

1075
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,880
that the world would be a better
place if the cops were the best 

1076
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,840
cops that they could be and the 
robbers were the best robbers 

1077
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,880
they could be. 
Oh yeah, he said that the world 

1078
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,600
would be better if the robbers 
were like, awesome and the cops 

1079
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,560
were awesome. 
You know what I'm saying? 

1080
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,560
That sounds like my kind of 
cool. 

1081
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,640
Yeah, that is correct. 
So. 

1082
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,240
That's like a real, that's a 
real contrarian kind of thing. 

1083
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:58,680
Because people go like, oh, why 
do you want the robbers to be 

1084
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,640
good? 
Because I want everyone to be 

1085
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,600
really good at what they're good
at, even if it's being bad even.

1086
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,080
If it's being bad, exactly. 
Because that makes the good 

1087
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,960
people have to be better. 
Well, if a per look, if a person

1088
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,640
knows that he's a, he's like a 
second story man. 

1089
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,000
He's like, no, I'm not going to 
shoot any. 

1090
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,800
I don't shoot people. 
I'm not some killer. 

1091
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,720
I'm a second story man. 
I creep. 

1092
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,400
That's what I do. 
See what I'm saying? 

1093
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,160
He's not 1/2 ass. 
OK, I got to pause the half. 

1094
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,040
Ass is that. 
I got to tell you the story now 

1095
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,120
I'm, I'm, I'm at the FBI Academy
and we got this girl. 

1096
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,600
We got a lot of girls there that
I'm not sure they've ever been 

1097
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,560
outside, like outside of a 
building. 

1098
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,640
I think they've just lived 
indoors, you know, like a lot of

1099
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,120
indoor dogs. 
And I'm not mad at them because 

1100
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,480
they're real sweet people, you 
know what I mean? 

1101
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Like, there's people that are 
too nice to be mad at them, but 

1102
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,840
you're looking at them going 
like, how are you in the same 

1103
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,800
job that I'm at? 
So we've got this legal 

1104
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,200
instructor and his name was 
Mike. 

1105
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:47,960
What's that? 
His name? 

1106
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,600
His name was Bullzomi. 
That was his name, the bull 

1107
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,520
Bullzomi. 
And he was really loud and he 

1108
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,400
was really excited and he would 
yell things and so he would walk

1109
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,120
around and he would ask these 
questions and he would just get 

1110
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,360
real like amped up. 
And he goes, he goes, Teresa, 

1111
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,480
I'm using real names here, by 
the way, because that's how I 

1112
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,560
roll. 
He goes, Teresa, he goes, we're 

1113
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,000
going to break into this house 
because we're cat burglars and 

1114
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,680
we've got a pillowcase. 
What's the pillowcase for? 

1115
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,600
And she goes the cats. 
What he oh, Jesus Christ, he. 

1116
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Stops in his tracks, He stops in
his tracks and he's never heard 

1117
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:33,320
anything like this before. 
And he goes what? 

1118
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,560
And she goes the pillowcase is 
for the cats that we're going to

1119
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,040
steal. 
And he said, I'm going to step 

1120
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,200
outside for a minute. 
Somebody help your classmate out

1121
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,680
here and explain what a cat 
burglar is. 

1122
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,560
And it was like, these are the 
people. 

1123
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Like, she has a badge and a gun 
Still, she's a real sweetheart. 

1124
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,000
Like, I I I'm fond of her as a 
human being. 

1125
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,440
I'm terrified that like you 
said, a second story man, I 

1126
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,200
heard you explain and I'm like, 
oh, OK, cool. 

1127
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,120
I get it. 
Yeah. 

1128
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,280
This is someone who's on. 
He's he's he's a he's using 

1129
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,320
sophistication. 
He's not using overt violence 

1130
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,880
that would have that would have 
confused my dear friend who is 

1131
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,560
an FBI agent. 
I just thought you had to know 

1132
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,440
that that's what that's the 
caliber that we're up against. 

1133
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,480
That's I'm not surprised. 
In the league, you should be 

1134
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,480
scared. 
I'm beyond fear at this point. 

1135
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,720
I'm just like, I'm just grimly 
resolute. 

1136
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,800
But. 
But I mean, yeah, you know, I 

1137
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,400
thought that that that's what we
needed was to have better 

1138
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,160
quality arguments, you know, 
about what was wrong. 

1139
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,160
It's like, no, we're not going 
to get rid of the lefties. 

1140
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,080
Just like, let's, let's have 
decent arguments about stuff. 

1141
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:43,120
OK. 
What I see is, is that these 

1142
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:49,240
arguments are poisoned by like a
handful of very specific sins. 

1143
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,400
And one of them is pride. 
Pridefulness. 

1144
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,080
Right, Diabolic pride. 
You can have symbolic. 

1145
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,960
Symbolic pride is fine. 
Symbolic can. 

1146
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,760
You define those two for me, for
me and everybody. 

1147
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,400
Yes, Symbolic pride is that 
which unites. 

1148
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,960
Diabolic pride is that which 
divides. 

1149
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,840
OK, so symbolic pride is fine. 
You know, you're, you're in, 

1150
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,680
you're a military guy, you're 
proud of your regiment, no 

1151
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,040
problem. 
You know, you're proud to be 

1152
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,760
part of your family. 
You're proud of your family, 

1153
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,160
proud of your kids with no 
problem. 

1154
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,920
But the pridefulness that says, 
well, I'm better than it if you 

1155
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:26,000
know, if if other people think 
I'm obnoxious, it's their 

1156
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,080
problem, it's their fault. 
I'm not obnoxious. 

1157
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:34,160
They're just too sensitive, you 
know or you know I'm like you 

1158
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,160
just don't understand the way I 
do things And that that that's 

1159
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,120
diabolic pride. 
And and and the scriptures make 

1160
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,120
a very big deal about diabolic 
pride for a reason because it's 

1161
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,160
a self reinforcing sin you see 
right? 

1162
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,640
Like like the sin of wrath, like
you get angry. 

1163
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,360
Well, your anger will cool 
eventually, right? 

1164
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Same thing with lust. 
You know you you're lustful, but

1165
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,240
your lust will will ebb and flow
whatever, right? 

1166
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:03,360
But pridefulness like you will 
just spiral right down because 

1167
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,240
pride interrupts the feedback 
loop. 

1168
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,200
If you have said and said that. 
Vanity is better than pride. 

1169
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,720
Vanity is better because at 
least vanity is social right. 

1170
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,320
Like you want to cut a good 
figure in front of other people,

1171
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,400
so you're acknowledging the fact
that other people's opinions 

1172
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,040
matter, but if you're prideful, 
that's not the thing. 

1173
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,000
And so. 
You're worshipping of yourself. 

1174
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,120
Pardon me? 
You're worshipping yourself. 

1175
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,000
Your your, your pride feeds 
itself because you are the 

1176
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,840
audience and you are also you 
are also the one receiving it 

1177
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,080
and you are the one who is 
giving it. 

1178
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,960
And so that's the self. 
It's like government. 

1179
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,240
It's the self licking ice cream 
cone. 

1180
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,320
Correct. 
Yeah. 

1181
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,600
So right. 
And so, you know, diabolic pride

1182
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,760
is what caused, like the Angel 
of light to become Diablo, 

1183
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,600
right? 
To become the devil. 

1184
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,240
It's like, no, I'm, I'm cut off 
from that feedback loop. 

1185
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,280
I'm cut off from the source, 
Right. 

1186
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,720
And I, look, we see this among 
lefties, yes. 

1187
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,080
But being a conservative, I'm 
concerned with what we see, 

1188
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,040
what's in our house. 
And I don't like to see that in 

1189
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,040
our house, you know? 
And again, I see that when 

1190
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,520
people say, well, we don't have 
to worry about outreach because 

1191
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,080
our outreach is perfect. 
The problem is those people over

1192
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,080
there, I'm like, well, that's 
no, that's pridefulness. 

1193
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,160
Stop that, you know. 
And when people, you know 

1194
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,200
consume Internet crime porn and 
and they're they're obsessively 

1195
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,520
looking at these 45 second video
clips of some, you know, young 

1196
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,280
black people, for example, in 
the streets doing doing stupid 

1197
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,240
stuff, you know what I'm saying?
They're they're consuming that 

1198
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:39,160
and and they're like wallowing 
in this resentment, you know, 

1199
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,040
and and they're working 
themselves up into this frenzy 

1200
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,800
and it's it's a pornographic 
frenzy. 

1201
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640
And look, pornography is a 
problem, not just sex 

1202
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,760
pornography, but all kinds of 
pornography. 

1203
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,560
Because because a pornographic 
view of the world destroys your 

1204
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,200
ability to deal with real things
and real people, right? 

1205
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,400
It's amygdala porn. 
Pardon me? 

1206
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,040
It's amygdala porn. 
It's amygdala porn. 

1207
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,240
And and just like you know, if a
young man who gets a young man 

1208
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:12,600
who is addicted to sex based 
pornography find that he doesn't

1209
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,880
know how to talk to a real woman
because a real woman is active. 

1210
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,160
A real. 
Girlfriend, a real wife, is 

1211
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,520
active. 
Yeah, she's not paid to be some 

1212
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,640
sort of, you know, whatever flop
job there. 

1213
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,400
She's going to listen. 
She, a real girlfriend is going 

1214
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,680
to challenge you. 
She's going to say get a job, 

1215
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,480
stop sleeping on the couch, get 
your shit together, right. 

1216
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,560
She's she's going to say, you 
know, listen, I need you to take

1217
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,400
out the garbage or open this 
pickle jar or kill the spider. 

1218
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
She's going to look at you and 
say don't bullshit me, OK? 

1219
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,560
The chick on the screen with her
tits out will do none of those 

1220
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,280
things. 
OK, Now if you, if you transfer 

1221
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,560
the thing to to a crime porn, 
Well, yeah, if. 

1222
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,640
If that's your interface, to 
quote UN quote black America. 

1223
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,720
If all you're looking at is, you
know, clips of crime porn and 

1224
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,000
degenerate celebrities from the 
music industry or from wherever,

1225
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,280
then when it comes time to talk 
to someone like me, you don't 

1226
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,960
know what to say. 
You know how to act. 

1227
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,000
And I've seen that time and time
again. 

1228
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,240
You know, it's like, what? 
What's the matter with you? 

1229
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,960
Like you can't just have a 
conversation. 

1230
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,160
Yeah, that's just a dude over 
there. 

1231
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,600
He's got a beard like me. 
He's he's got he's got a you got

1232
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,120
a daughter. 
We got an awful lot of things in

1233
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,200
common. 
I I learned how to do C++. 

1234
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,200
I'm terrible at it, but I 
understand that it works right. 

1235
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,880
Yeah. 
So, so, you know, I I've been, 

1236
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,000
I've been really concerned with 
this. 

1237
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,320
This is the fundamental problem 
in in captured places like New 

1238
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,240
York. 
It's not that that that the 

1239
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,200
Democratic Party has these 
superpowers where they can just 

1240
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,120
brainwash people. 
And there's no it's that the 

1241
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,200
people who were supposed to be 
fighting against these things 

1242
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,520
are not fighting against them. 
The people are supposed to be 

1243
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,000
conserving our constitutional 
rights, are not conserving them.

1244
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,880
And again, that goes for, you 
know, again, I said, I said 

1245
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,600
there's such a thing as a right 
wing progressive because there 

1246
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,680
is when a lot of these 
conservative politicians bother 

1247
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,920
to come to the cities, they seem
to leave their conservative 

1248
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,560
politics or the conservative 
beliefs such as they are behind 

1249
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,120
them when they cross the city 
line. 

1250
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,320
And, and and and by the time 
they get to me, they're talking 

1251
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,560
like, like, like statists. 
I'm like, well, what happened to

1252
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,240
limited government? 
What happened? 

1253
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,720
You were talking about limited 
government when you were talking

1254
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,520
to that to my white brother in 
the suburbs or in the farmland. 

1255
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,480
That sounded good to me. 
I was like, hey, that. 

1256
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,200
Yeah, right on. 
And then And then by the time 

1257
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,080
you get to me, you're like, 
yeah, we need, we need more 

1258
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:44,840
police and more laws and more 
this is like, whoa, what? 

1259
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,120
Happened. 
Same answer. 

1260
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,840
Better culture, better people 
doing the right things like 

1261
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,440
expanding our values. 
That makes more sense still. 

1262
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,960
So, OK, so getting and getting 
and getting and getting the 

1263
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,520
government's boot off our necks,
all of you can figure things 

1264
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,200
out, right? 
Full agreement there. 

1265
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,920
Let me ask you this, is this New
York specific? 

1266
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Or do you get that feedback to 
Chicago, Los Angeles, Because, I

1267
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,600
mean, New York is New York is 
its own animal. 

1268
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,040
I mean it's. 
All our cities, all our cities. 

1269
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,000
This is the problem. 
I mean, again, just think for a 

1270
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,040
second. 
I mean, look, I again some 

1271
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,240
background. 
You know, I am the son of 

1272
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,960
working class immigrants from 
the Caribbean, right? 

1273
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,240
And at a certain point, I 
started really identifying very 

1274
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,680
strongly with my working class 
background. 

1275
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,160
Like, you know, my path to 
conservative was probably not 

1276
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,920
the same as not, probably, 
definitely not the same as, you 

1277
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,760
know, other more prominent black
conservatives. 

1278
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,080
Because again, I wasn't. 
I didn't look at the Republican 

1279
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Party as a model for anything. 
I didn't look at Ronald Reagan 

1280
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,040
as a model for I can't stand 
Ronald Reagan, Rudolph Giuliani,

1281
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,000
neither. 
I started looking at my 

1282
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,840
background and like the people I
grew up around. 

1283
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,160
And then I realized, wait a 
second, I grew up in 

1284
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,600
conservatism. 
Like, like the stuff these guys 

1285
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:13,040
talk about, excuse me, when they
bother to talk righteously, It's

1286
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,240
like, wait a minute, I grew up 
with that, Like, like, and and 

1287
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,920
everyone I knew. 
They grew up with parents who 

1288
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,800
are fanatical about education, 
who didn't want to hear any 

1289
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,680
excuses, right? 
Who wanted excellence, who 

1290
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,680
insisted on discipline and 
respect. 

1291
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,000
You know, who were people of 
faith, right? 

1292
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,320
Who believed in black 
self-reliance? 

1293
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,160
Right. 
Who believe that you shouldn't 

1294
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,840
be asking the government for 
stuff. 

1295
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,920
Do you know what I'm saying? 
Like, but when I was a kid, I 

1296
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,640
didn't know that that was 
conservatism. 

1297
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,120
It was just life. 
Do you know what I'm saying? 

1298
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,600
I do. 
You know, I mean, I grew up. 

1299
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,920
I grew up going to Sunday. 
I went to Sunday school at Saint

1300
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,520
Albans Congregational Church 
over on Merrick Blvd. 

1301
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,080
I remember around graduation 
time, you know, the the elders 

1302
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,560
in the church, strangers, people
I didn't know would come up to 

1303
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,760
me and say, hey, you know, 
you're doing this proud young 

1304
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,680
man, you know, keep on hitting 
those books, keep on, you know, 

1305
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,840
I like strange old people. 
Strangers were proud of me. 

1306
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,000
That's a good feeling. 
It's a good feeling, but what 

1307
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,840
I'm saying is that's. 
Conservatism, right? 

1308
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:18,360
Community values the future. 
And and I'm and I'm telling you 

1309
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:23,400
that as far as working black 
folks are concerned, most of us 

1310
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,960
grew up like that. 
I I think, I think most people 

1311
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,840
maybe right. 
Like isn't that just like that's

1312
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,600
not even a black value. 
I don't find. 

1313
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,120
I think it's, I think it's 
American. 

1314
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,360
I agree. 
But I'm just talking about the 

1315
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,360
the, the, the, the retardedness 
of the GOP and their inability 

1316
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,880
to talk to black folks. 
That's what I'm talking. 

1317
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,560
I mean, I agree. 
With you. 

1318
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,080
Well, it goes right back to that
that that first thing that I 

1319
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,360
think you at least are 
illuminating to me is that 

1320
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,080
people are looking it. 
It still comes down to that 

1321
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,720
person is different than me. 
For some reason. 

1322
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,880
I didn't grow. 
I I, I grew up luckily enough in

1323
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,080
California and then in Texas in 
places where I didn't know that 

1324
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,320
was supposed to be the case. 
I didn't know I was supposed to 

1325
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,520
look at people who had different
colored skin or came from 

1326
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,560
different backgrounds that were 
like, you know, like, I was 

1327
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,560
like, oh, like they're Filipino.
They just have cool food. 

1328
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,960
I don't know how to pronounce 
it, but it's got a lot of sugar 

1329
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,400
in it, and I'm into it. 
Like, that's what I knew growing

1330
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,320
up. 
We had a lot of Filipino. 

1331
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,960
We had a lot of Vietnamese. 
You know, I had some friends 

1332
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,520
that were black that were in my 
little, you know, schools. 

1333
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,160
I went to Catholic schools and 
you know, you just meet people. 

1334
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,840
It's like, well we all have the 
same values and we're all 

1335
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,520
Catholic and we're all going to 
the same school. 

1336
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,040
We all want to they're willing 
to pay for education. 

1337
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,720
So that's something. 
So we pretty much had a lot in 

1338
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,600
common other than some of us had
more you know family members and

1339
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,080
less and some of us had 
different food at lunch which I 

1340
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,800
try to trade for or whatever you
know like but but but at some 

1341
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,760
point at some point the people I
guess the people that are 

1342
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,280
running this country many of 
whom are very old, grew up with 

1343
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,240
some really old ideas that I 
didn't learn. 

1344
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,320
You know they didn't learn what 
I learned in the 80s and 90s. 

1345
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,360
They didn't grow up learning the
things that you learned and with

1346
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,440
that awareness going like, hey, 
these are just American values. 

1347
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,880
They've actually, they're 
they're still living, segregated

1348
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,680
values and they're approaching 
I. 

1349
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,600
Think that's, well, I think 
that's part of it. 

1350
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,400
But I think, I think you could 
look at it also in the opposite 

1351
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,080
way is that part of the problem 
is that we are, we are besieged 

1352
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,080
by people with brand new ideas. 
What are these new ideas? 

1353
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,240
Well, the Well, the idea that a 
man can become a woman without 

1354
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,120
just by saying words. 
Wait. 

1355
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,200
A minute. 
Are we getting bigoted right 

1356
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,000
now? 
OK, let's do this. 

1357
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,720
Yes. 
Yes, and you're welcome. 

1358
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,480
How? 
How weird a planet are we living

1359
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,720
Where guys are doing that, 
right? 

1360
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:35,920
Right. 
How? 

1361
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:36,760
How? 
Weird. 

1362
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,360
A Planet are we Where where 
Planet Fitness is going to side 

1363
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,760
with a dude with a semi erect 
penis in the women's locker room

1364
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,160
and kick women out. 
I mean yeah. 

1365
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,960
OK that's a new idea so that's 
that's definitely new. 

1366
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,440
I'll, I'll give you that 100%. 
Right. 

1367
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,880
So. 
So any new ideas are are, and 

1368
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,000
they're part of the problem. 
Part of the problem is that, you

1369
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,920
know, you could say new ideas, 
very, very new ideas, very old 

1370
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,280
sins. 
Again, pridefulness, right. 

1371
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,680
Resentment. 
I mean, you know, the story of 

1372
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,640
one brother striking down, 
another out of resentment. 

1373
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,920
The second oldest story in the 
Bible, right? 

1374
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,360
So. 
So these are very old sins. 

1375
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,920
The, the, the, the problem 
really is that we have just 

1376
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,160
recently dismantled or started 
to dismantle all the structures 

1377
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,240
we had in place to prevent those
sins from having the run of the 

1378
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:31,160
place, right? 
And that's one problem. 

1379
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,640
The other problem is the people,
so-called conservatives, who 

1380
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,880
were supposed to be tending the 
garden, OK, were derelict in 

1381
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,080
their duty. 
And now they don't want to admit

1382
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,880
it. 
They want to say, well, it's 

1383
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,320
those lefties. 
Well, hang on a second. 

1384
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,160
How come there was a long March 
through the institutions? 

1385
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,320
How come it wasn't a running 
battle, Right. 

1386
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,080
How come? 
How come they just surrendered 

1387
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:55,720
left and right? 
How? 

1388
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,400
Come they just how come they 
just marched on through The Who 

1389
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,040
who was fighting them? 
Who was supposed to be fighting 

1390
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,240
them? 
You know, look, all the things 

1391
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,160
that are happening to our 
country, right to our 

1392
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,680
civilization, we feel like we're
besieged from all sides. 

1393
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,480
No, it's there are bad people 
and bad ideas rushing to fill a 

1394
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,840
vacuum. 
Why is there a vacuum there? 

1395
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,360
What was there before the 
vacuum? 

1396
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,360
Why was it? 
Why was it done away with? 

1397
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,200
Why did we allow it to be done? 
Who allowed it to be done? 

1398
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,800
Away with questions right. 
And and people have to start 

1399
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,600
taking responsibility. 
It's not just, you know, it's 

1400
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,960
not good enough for so-called 
conservatives to look at me and 

1401
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,920
assume that I don't take 
responsibility for my. 

1402
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,600
Well, you people just need to, 
hey, hey, you people need to 

1403
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,520
take responsibility for the fact
that you failed to safeguard the

1404
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,360
things that needed to be 
safeguarded and you failed to 

1405
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,840
make the case for yourself. 
OK? 

1406
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,440
And you failed in your what 
should have been a primary act 

1407
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,200
of moral imagination in saying 
that, you know something, these 

1408
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,920
are my people. 
I'm American. 

1409
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,280
These are my people. 
These cities are American 

1410
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,320
cities. 
Our, our, our great cities. 

1411
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:15,120
Chicago, Cincinnati, for God's 
sake, named after a Roman 

1412
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,360
senator. 
You know, New York, Los Angeles,

1413
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,440
San Fran. 
These are American cities who 

1414
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,560
decided that they should be 
abandoned to progressives, 

1415
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,840
right? 
I mean, of course the 

1416
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,520
progressives wanted to take them
over. 

1417
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:31,800
They want to take everything 
over. 

1418
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,640
Right. 
That's what they do. 

1419
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:33,960
Right. 
I mean, that's what they do. 

1420
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,360
OK, so so who who was supposed 
to oppose them and and why 

1421
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,960
didn't they? 
Right. 

1422
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,760
No, these are. 
Can we get an act? 

1423
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,600
Can we get an after action 
report? 

1424
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,520
Can someone say what happened? 
Can we? 

1425
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,080
You know what I'm saying? 
So I agree with you and and I 

1426
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,720
keep saying the same thing and 
and this, this marries up with 

1427
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,360
your point really nicely. 
You know, in 1946 they passed 

1428
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,720
the Administrative Procedures 
Act. 

1429
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,560
And what you're what you're 
hearing about from from people 

1430
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,800
on the right is like, oh, 
there's this deep state and you 

1431
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,040
know, I call it the 
administrative state. 

1432
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,080
It's much more accurate. 
The administrative state just 

1433
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,440
knows one thing. 
One, we're the ones in charge. 

1434
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,840
Two, we were given that power in
1946, and we've been slowly 

1435
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,440
growing it through the executive
branch. 

1436
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,600
And three, we outlast every 
president and we don't give a 

1437
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,240
shit who you elect. 
It doesn't matter to us because 

1438
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:18,520
we're going to be here when 
they're gone. 

1439
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,479
So our work is more important 
than it continues onward, which 

1440
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,279
is why these institutions end up
captured. 

1441
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,720
Now the scary thing is, is that 
they're captured by people on 

1442
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,560
the left and not, and I don't 
hate the left either. 

1443
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,279
I think you and I share this. 
I just did a long sort of 

1444
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,200
meditation on balance. 
There's a big need for balance. 

1445
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,080
Progressive ideas are not my 
enemy. 

1446
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,200
They are the challenge to make 
me have better ideas, as you 

1447
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,840
said, about robbers and cops, 
better cops, better robbers, 

1448
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,720
smarter leftists, smarter people
on the right equals Everybody 

1449
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:53,000
comes to a better, you know, a 
better version of whatever it is

1450
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,520
they believe. 
They hone those arguments. 

1451
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,319
You know iron sharpening iron. 
But otherwise. 

1452
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,120
But otherwise we just get 
dummies that just roll over and 

1453
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,880
and are trying to sell us you 
know sneakers whatever the heck 

1454
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,279
the deal was which is when you 
told me that it just it makes I 

1455
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:10,200
don't understand sneaker culture
to begin with. 

1456
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,960
I don't understand. 
I used I actually ran a case on 

1457
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,080
a guy. 
This is brilliant. 

1458
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,040
You want to talk about 
brilliance? 

1459
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:20,240
This guy had worked out a money 
laundering operation in a very 

1460
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,399
very expensive shopping mall. 
Like down by the water in DC, 

1461
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,240
OK, in the National Harbor. 
And what he did was he was a 

1462
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:33,279
consignment dealer of super high
end sneakers, hundreds or 

1463
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,040
thousands of dollars. 
OK. 

1464
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,399
And So what would happen is, is 
that he would have inventory 

1465
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,479
that'd be on the shelf. 
It'd be like a size 10 Yeezys or

1466
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,479
whatever the heck those things 
are. 

1467
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,200
I think I'm saying it right 
because I don't even know. 

1468
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,200
I don't know enough about 
sneakers. 

1469
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,399
Whatever. 
There's expensive ass sneakers 

1470
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:49,359
on the wall. 
People would come in and then 

1471
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,200
they would order or buy. 
They would give money and they 

1472
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,200
would get something out and they
were getting drugs because he 

1473
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,920
was selling drugs out of there. 
Or he was moving. 

1474
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,400
He was laundering the money 
through a product he never had 

1475
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,360
to, never had to have leave. 
So people came in and bought 

1476
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,560
sneakers. 
They never took home. 

1477
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,360
So he had inventory on the wall.
You just couldn't buy any of it 

1478
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,920
because it wasn't your size. 
And so he was doing this and it 

1479
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,040
was brilliant, but it was like, 
OK, I don't even know how we're 

1480
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,280
going to get. 
He was flying around in like 

1481
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,320
private jets and going to the 
Dominican Republic with, you 

1482
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,720
know, suitcases full of cash. 
He was smart. 

1483
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,640
He was a smart dude. 
He was abusing the sneaker 

1484
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,600
culture. 
I just thought that was really 

1485
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,600
funny, 'cause I was like, I 
don't understand any of what 

1486
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,160
they're talking about. 
Like, wait a minute, there's 

1487
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,200
there's multi $1000 sneakers and
people were like, Oh yeah, 

1488
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,440
that's the thing. 
And I was like to who, you know,

1489
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,320
if that's the thing that's going
to get Trump in front of black 

1490
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:34,440
people. 
I was like, I I just don't think

1491
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,000
that's going to be the winner. 
I just just well, yeah that's. 

1492
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,280
I mean I was. 
I was what a. 

1493
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,720
Low, low threshold to aim at 
that one. 

1494
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:41,840
That's just. 
That's silly. 

1495
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,120
Don't. 
Don't call it low. 

1496
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,560
Call it retarded. 
Retarded. 

1497
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,640
Retarded. 
It is retarded. 

1498
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,080
It's a retarded threshold. 
It is. 

1499
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,280
And again, these people exactly.
And I'm like, well, well, well, 

1500
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,480
what's wrong with you? 
You know, So this is so, so This

1501
01:10:57,480 --> 01:10:59,760
is why, you know, when you may 
talk about people like Sunny 

1502
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,040
Johnson. 
You know, I'm so, I was so happy

1503
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,120
to meet Sunny Johnson and and to
get into her spaces and to start

1504
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,720
talking to people in her circle 
because here was someone who 

1505
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,960
actually understood. 
She got it like she she and she 

1506
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,560
gets it. 
She understands that 

1507
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,240
conservatism is is deep in our 
bones as black folks because 

1508
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,960
because we've had to be 
conservative. 

1509
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,520
Think about it. 
You know chattel slavery is 

1510
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,360
antithetical to the concept of 
of of the close knit family. 

1511
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,240
So we had to regenerate our 
traditions and and and figure a 

1512
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,560
way to kind of preserve what was
absolutely necessary through 

1513
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,640
that hardship. 
And then after emancipation we 

1514
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,480
had to figure out how to start, 
you know, generating value and 

1515
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:42,720
being a part, a real part of the
economy instead of just being a 

1516
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,640
pool, a fungible pool of Fiat 
labor, you know. 

1517
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,080
And so she describes herself, 
and I'm, I'm with her on this as

1518
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,760
a Frederick Douglass slash 
Booker T Washington 

1519
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,400
conservative. 
You know, and there's a lot to 

1520
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,720
that. 
And I think right now what I'm 

1521
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,920
seeing in the political 
landscape in the in the United 

1522
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,360
States is I see a lot of these 
PayPal conservatives ruining it 

1523
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,400
for the real conservatives. 
What's a? 

1524
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,040
PayPal conservative. 
How do you define that? 

1525
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,720
I mean, it's like, you know, 
people whose job it is to 

1526
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,120
generate, generate eyeballs and 
clicks and raise money, but who 

1527
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,560
don't actually conserve 
anything. 

1528
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,800
So Charlie Kirk is one example, 
right? 

1529
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,360
PayPal. 
Conservative, You know, 

1530
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,280
trademark. 
Trademark that That's your 

1531
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:33,280
that's yours. 
I can't it will PayPal. 

1532
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,880
I can't trademark PayPal, but. 
P Conservative. 

1533
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,040
It's even better. 
You're going to get me in 

1534
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,480
trouble. 
You can get me in trouble, but 

1535
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:45,400
but no, it's these fakes ruining
it for the real ones and, you 

1536
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,920
know, and ruining the name of 
conservatism such that, you 

1537
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,760
know, in many black communities,
it's like people will look at 

1538
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,040
you as scans if you say you're a
conservative, you have to 

1539
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,800
explain yourself. 
And again, I don't blame them. 

1540
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,600
I blame conservatism because 
brand management is a thing. 

1541
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,680
Yep. 
And when you're saying is like, 

1542
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,360
once you, once you explain it, 
they're like, oh, I'm all those 

1543
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,360
things. 
That's exactly what thing. 

1544
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,000
They're like, oh, why? 
Why do you call it conservative?

1545
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,080
It's like 'cause that's what 
it's called. 

1546
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,320
'Cause that's what it is. 
Look, a funny story. 

1547
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,920
My mom, well, you know, my 
parents, when I started, when I 

1548
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,040
went public on social media 
about my case, they started kind

1549
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,880
of taking my links and sending 
them to their friends and family

1550
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,160
and so on and so forth. 
And some people would come back 

1551
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,000
and say, you know, they'd see 
some talk. 

1552
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,720
I did, you know. 
And they say, well, what does he

1553
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,400
mean? 
He's a conservative, you know, 

1554
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,000
because they thought that that 
meant that I had become one of 

1555
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,600
these black people whose 
favorite indoor sport is shit 

1556
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,400
talking black people. 
It's insulting black people. 

1557
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,800
And my mom had to be like, no, 
no, no, no. 

1558
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,360
He means conservative like us, 
you know, like in the old ways. 

1559
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,520
Like they're like oh, OK, OK, 
OK, OK You know what I'm saying?

1560
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,920
Yeah, it shouldn't be. 
It shouldn't be that. 

1561
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,280
But that's the same question is 
what are you conserving? 

1562
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,480
If you don't know the answer to 
it, then maybe you are the 

1563
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:03,240
PayPal conservative if that's 
the name. 

1564
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,760
But the question is this, that 
this is the one I want to 

1565
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,880
challenge you with. 
Because because I I think it's 

1566
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,080
whenever I look at something 
that seems devious or seems 

1567
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:16,760
seems nefarious, I will always 
err on the side of of giving 

1568
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,640
stupidity and retardation. 
I will give it credit where due,

1569
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,360
right. 
It's almost it's it's just as 

1570
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,520
often as it's ignorance to 
malfeasance. 

1571
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:25,680
Yes. 
OK. 

1572
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,200
And how many people just have no
idea what the hell they're 

1573
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,560
talking about? 
They said. 

1574
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:35,880
You know you know Dexter, you 
know Constitution to a you know 

1575
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:41,520
families, values religions or 
whatever 1A they don't know the 

1576
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,040
thing that they actually think 
they believe. 

1577
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,480
They just looked at the model of
people that they're like OK, 

1578
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,200
these people have got it squared
away. 

1579
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,320
I I like the way that they're 
living their life. 

1580
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,920
But I never asked them what it 
is that they live by. 

1581
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,520
I'm just going to try to say the
things that they say without 

1582
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,720
understanding it. 
Is it possible that some of 

1583
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,280
these folks just, they just 
don't get it. 

1584
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:01,320
They haven't internalized the 
thing that when you just said in

1585
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,840
the old way, the ways that I 
feel about it, then they would, 

1586
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,160
they would immediately know 
because once I leave these, like

1587
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,320
this poor gal that I talked to, 
when I let her down there, I 

1588
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,520
said, what are you what are you 
conserving? 

1589
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,080
She goes, I said, are you 
interested in family values? 

1590
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,520
She goes, yeah, I said, where do
you get your values? 

1591
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,200
She was like, from my faith. 
OK, good. 

1592
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,120
What faith is that? 
I'm, I'm Christian. 

1593
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,760
So you have Christian values. 
Got it. 

1594
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,160
What are the things that lead 
you to? 

1595
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,600
Well, it leads me to believe 
that people are, you know, 

1596
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,840
innately of value. 
OK, good. 

1597
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,760
So now we have the individual 
self worth. 

1598
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,160
We're going to move down the 
chain. 

1599
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,720
We have to walk them to this 
though. 

1600
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,920
The TX and the RX has to happen.
Is it possible they just don't 

1601
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,640
know? 
They just like there's a lot of 

1602
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,320
ignorance too now. 
When you say they who you're 

1603
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,200
referring to? 
I'm talking about conservatives 

1604
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,840
that are failing to give 
messaging to anybody like 

1605
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:46,920
they're. 
I mean, conservatives are 

1606
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,240
failing to give messaging to 
young people. 

1607
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,960
I see what you mean. 
They give it. 

1608
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,480
They're failing all over the 
place because it's just they're 

1609
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:55,240
on defense and they're not 
really great at it. 

1610
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,520
They're not good at the offense,
yeah. 

1611
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,120
OK, so so so you asked a 
question. 

1612
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:00,880
The answer is no. 
I don't think that's what the 

1613
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,720
problem is. 
OK, how? 

1614
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,160
Why not I? 
I I think the I think the 

1615
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,840
problem is again these very old 
sins. 

1616
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,040
I think the problem is a form of
self worship. 

1617
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,160
Yeah, Satanic pride and 
resentment and and avarice. 

1618
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,120
I mean, it's like that, you 
know, like it's very lucrative. 

1619
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,200
It can be very lucrative to be a
paid off conservative. 

1620
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,240
Do you know what I'm saying? 
I mean, I mean, just think, you 

1621
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,960
know, if you're a Charlie Kirk, 
get on the circuit. 

1622
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,640
Yeah, you're getting paid, you 
know. 

1623
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:33,080
Or if you're a squeaky Shapiro, 
you know what? 

1624
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,120
Like, yeah, that's Shapiro. 
That's profitable. 

1625
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:36,840
Yes. 
Wait, hold on. 

1626
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,600
What? 
You getting paid? 

1627
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,600
What's that? 
What's squeaky about Shapiro? 

1628
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:41,760
What's squeaky? 
His fucking voice. 

1629
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,560
What do you want to speak? 
About I just wanted to make sure

1630
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,280
you were saying what I thought 
you said. 

1631
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:51,720
That's fine, you know what? 
You know what you can't do 

1632
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,360
though to Ben Shapiro is you 
can't put them at 1 1/2 X 'cause

1633
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,680
that's it's like helium at 1:00.
And a half. 

1634
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,400
What? 
Oh yeah, like up to speed. 

1635
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,560
Yeah, most people can't process 
that fast. 

1636
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,720
I actually can hear that fast, 
but I don't want to. 

1637
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,880
Well, well, well, the, the 
pitch, I mean if you start to 

1638
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,600
pitch up, you'd start to get 
into the ultrasonics, but 

1639
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,120
somebody. 
Somebody told me that. 

1640
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,720
Somebody told me they listen to 
my show and they do it in 75% 

1641
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,520
speed because I speak really 
quickly. 

1642
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,080
And then they turned on Dan 
Bongino and they thought he was 

1643
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,440
on drugs because it still sounds
kind of like Dan, but it sounds 

1644
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:22,040
like Dan, like he's taking 
Benzo. 

1645
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,000
That's. 
Hilarious, that's. 

1646
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:25,480
Hilarious. 
I try. 

1647
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:27,880
I aspire not to be squeaky. 
That's all I'm saying, OK? 

1648
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:28,760
Fair enough. 
Don't be squeaky. 

1649
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:29,720
No squeaky. 
But. 

1650
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,760
But yeah, no, I I don't think 
that's the problem. 

1651
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:38,760
I think the problem is is that 
there's just there's just arisen

1652
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,640
this great kind of mechanism for
for raising money. 

1653
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,000
You know, and we've seen this 
look, I mean didn't the GOP just

1654
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,200
get rid of Ronna McDaniel 
because she was running the 

1655
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,480
whole thing like her own private
fiefdom and she was funneling 

1656
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,000
money to all these weird places 
like hey, why aren't you. 

1657
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,960
Hang on a second why are you 
sending money to people who are 

1658
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,600
defending safe seats and like 
Lee Zeldin is getting starved 

1659
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,200
out running for governor of New 
York State. 

1660
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,000
What's the matter with? 
Man, I thought Lee Zeldin was 

1661
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,240
going to pull it out too. 
But, like, but I also knew he 

1662
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,520
wasn't. 
Well, well I I I think, I think 

1663
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,360
that I don't think that election
was fair. 

1664
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,240
I I think there was some 
chicanery going on. 

1665
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:19,720
I I just, I just can't see that 
like Kathy Hochul who has, like 

1666
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,080
Kathy Ogle has negative 
charisma. 

1667
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,760
Who is her constituency? 
People. 

1668
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,080
She causes other people around 
her to be less charismatic, and 

1669
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,520
she's a leftover from a 
disgraced administration. 

1670
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,360
I don't see how she beat Lee 
Zeldin fair and square. 

1671
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,000
I don't get that. 
I tend to agree. 

1672
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,440
But but then again, then again, 
right? 

1673
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaking of election chicanery 
again, PayPal conservatives, 

1674
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:48,280
right, will come up and say, 
well, you know, oh, you know, 

1675
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,960
you see something bad jumps off 
in the city and they say, oh, 

1676
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,560
well, you get what you voted 
for. 

1677
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,440
And and I'm looking at these 
people like, hang on a second. 

1678
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:58,160
You were just talking about 
2020. 

1679
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,360
You were just complaining about 
election theft in 2020. 

1680
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,520
You think that's the only place 
election theft has happened? 

1681
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,560
You think Democrats in Chicago 
run clean elections, stupid? 

1682
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,080
It's the matter. 
With you. 

1683
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,080
But here's the thing you you 
challenged me by saying that I 

1684
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,680
was listening to you before and 
then I went, Oh yeah, it's 

1685
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,600
really important that we get 
unified in the things that we 

1686
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,600
actually believe. 
If if you believe something that

1687
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,240
you should probably believe it 
across the spectrum. 

1688
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:26,560
I I kind of pride myself on 
that. 

1689
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,520
But I got lazy at thinking about
New York. 

1690
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,360
I'm like, yeah, New York, they 
just, they don't care about 

1691
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:32,600
freedom. 
They hate freedom, right? 

1692
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:33,800
That's what they're. 
See deeply. 

1693
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,600
You got to see deeply. 
I I just ignored it. 

1694
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,880
I just went like, well, I don't 
live in New York, it's not my 

1695
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,040
problem. 
But it seems like they love 

1696
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,120
that. 
And I also have a lot of 

1697
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,680
feelings for people live upstate
that that are not, you know, 

1698
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,080
constituents of like New York 
City obviously captures the 

1699
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,000
entirety of that state. 
I've driven up there and seen 

1700
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,080
people that were saying like 
vote no on the safe act and all 

1701
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,440
that. 
And I was like, man, these 

1702
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:54,840
people are getting steamrolled, 
but they live in New York. 

1703
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,680
What are they going to do? 
But not everybody picks up and 

1704
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,080
moves like a tumbleweed like I 
do. 

1705
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,640
So, well, that's one and two and
two. 

1706
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,760
Again, even in New York, The the
problem is you need to activate 

1707
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,200
the voters who are sitting it 
out. 

1708
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,360
Yes, that's the thing. 
And that had. 

1709
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,040
Never heard the voters who are 
sitting it out. 

1710
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,560
And those voters are ready to 
hear a genuinely conservative 

1711
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,840
message, especially if they're 
black or Latino voters, You 

1712
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,640
know, because because they're 
going to tend to be more 

1713
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,200
religious, they're going to tend
to be more socially 

1714
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,640
conservative, right? 
It's just that there there are 

1715
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:31,120
certain bad habits of thought 
that that Republicans indulge 

1716
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,520
all the time and it makes them 
unattractive. 

1717
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,440
And and by the way, you know, 
circling back to what we were 

1718
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,320
really talking about in my case,
right? 

1719
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,880
Think about it. 
Republicans are supposedly the 

1720
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,200
pro two way people, right? 
OK, yeah. 

1721
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,080
How many prominent Republicans 
have you heard talking about my 

1722
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,480
case? 
Dana, not much more. 

1723
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:57,240
A little bit on Red State. 
Right. 

1724
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,920
I mean, I mean the really. 
Right. 

1725
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,600
OK so so and I know for example 
like we've tagged. 

1726
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,520
I've tagged a lot of prominent 
people including politicians in 

1727
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,320
the New York GOP. 
Like New York GOP has nothing to

1728
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,280
lose. 
They have no exalted position 

1729
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,920
that they might jeopardize if 
they. 

1730
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,560
That's true. 
Jumped in on an issue. 

1731
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:15,160
OK. 
So. 

1732
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,080
So why haven't I heard from 
Elise Stefanik? 

1733
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,920
Why haven't I heard from Ed Cox?
Heard back, I should say, 

1734
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,880
because I reached out to them 
multiple times, right? 

1735
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,520
Why haven't I heard from Hey, 
Speaking of conservatives, 

1736
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,440
right, what's her name? 
And she might be mad because I'm

1737
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:34,720
calling her out, but what's her 
face? 

1738
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,280
Jesus, what's the guy who has 
the thing? 

1739
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,040
Prager you, Right, Prager you. 
You. 

1740
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,600
Were going to do the thing my 
wife does with me where she 

1741
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,040
starts describing something very
vaguely and I got to guess. 

1742
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,160
OK, so prager you. 
The other thing No, no, the 

1743
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,520
other thing with the you. 
Know with the the one who was in

1744
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,480
the movie and you're like the. 
Thing exactly that time. 

1745
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:56,160
By the way, I'm like 98%. 
Girl. 

1746
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,640
I'm 98. 
Percent girl in the car, right? 

1747
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,680
The movie wouldn't go. 
There, yeah, I'm 98% with my 

1748
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,680
wife on that stuff, by the way, 
because we have very, very 

1749
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,200
similar, you know, patterns, 
but. 

1750
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,560
Exactly. 
But no, Susan Prager knows about

1751
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,280
my case. 
OK, DM back and forth. 

1752
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,440
We got a very cordial, you know,
couple of DMS back and forth. 

1753
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:14,000
OK. 
Have you heard Dennis Prager 

1754
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,840
talk about my case? 
I haven't, but to be fair, I 

1755
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,240
don't monitor a lot of Dennis 
Prager. 

1756
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:18,800
I'll. 
Be I mean. 

1757
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:19,400
I mean. 
I mean. 

1758
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,240
Listen, I'm not. 
But I assume that you're 

1759
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:22,920
correct. 
I I will assume that if he did, 

1760
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,160
you would know and you would 
have told me. 

1761
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,720
So yeah. 
And and again, you know, a lot 

1762
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,120
of these prominent conservative 
or so-called conservative voices

1763
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,240
who were like fire breathing on 
a bunch of these issues, you 

1764
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,720
know, people, people said, well,
you know, maybe they just don't 

1765
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,840
know about your case. 
You know, when when Squeaky went

1766
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,120
down to Kensington, 
Philadelphia, right. 

1767
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,320
And and to do an active 
investigative journalism to 

1768
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,720
inform us that people were 
falling out behind fentanyl in 

1769
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,160
the streets of Kensington, 
Philadelphia, it's like, well, 

1770
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,480
my question was why didn't you 
go visit Monterey? 

1771
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,360
Marge Toure is a black 
conservative in in Philadelphia.

1772
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,880
He's doing two way stuff. 
He's doing free firearms 

1773
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:03,600
training. 
He's doing civics classes, doing

1774
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,360
all this stuff. 
He's doing conservative content 

1775
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,360
online. 
Right. 

1776
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,240
And I have his phone number. 
Yeah, I can text him when I 

1777
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,600
want. 
So you tell me, why does someone

1778
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,920
who works for a conservative 
news organization not know about

1779
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,280
MASH? 
Well, he does know about MASH 

1780
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,360
Toure. 
He's not interested. 

1781
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:21,680
Yeah. 
Do you see what I'm saying? 

1782
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:22,680
Yeah. 
So. 

1783
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,400
No, I do. 
I like mash too the. 

1784
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,120
The conservative movement is not
covering itself in glory here, 

1785
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,680
and that's yet another reason 
why people have no reason to 

1786
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,280
trust them. 
It's like if if if one, you 

1787
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,760
don't care about, you don't care
when we do do conservative stuff

1788
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:45,920
in the cities, that's one. 
And two, you don't, you know, 

1789
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:49,040
you don't bother to speak to us 
like human beings. 

1790
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,000
And if if we do happen to get a 
conservative politician who 

1791
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,480
comes and wants to run New York 
City, he starts to run it like a

1792
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:00,320
nanny state guy, well then 
what's the point of voting for a

1793
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,720
so-called conservative right? 
I mean, Rudolph Giuliani did not

1794
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,880
govern like a conservative. 
I'm very sorry. 

1795
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,920
He governed like a statist. 
Where was the limited 

1796
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,320
government? 
Yeah, You never see these people

1797
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,200
get into power and just like 
roll back all the power of the 

1798
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,320
state. 
Wouldn't that be something? 

1799
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:19,440
Did we? 
Were you in the space the other 

1800
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:20,400
day when we were talking about 
this? 

1801
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,320
I was like, wouldn't it be 
amazing if we just gave Congress

1802
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,480
like, we're like, look, you got 
two years, we're going to run on

1803
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,760
all your old shitty laws. 
We're just going to keep 

1804
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,000
operating the US the way it's 
been. 

1805
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,880
And we're not excited about it, 
but we're going to do it. 

1806
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,800
We're going to do that. 
And in the next two years, what 

1807
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:38,600
we'd like you to do is create an
act, pass it right now that 

1808
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,160
repeals all federal laws and 
scraps them, and then spend the 

1809
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,880
next two years creating a decent
scaffolding without having, 

1810
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,360
like, all this rickety shit 
that's held together with duct 

1811
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,160
tape. 
That doesn't make any sense that

1812
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,840
you're trying to close loopholes
from the 1930s, back when 

1813
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,240
everybody was trying to do 
transactions with, like, bags of

1814
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,680
grain or whatever the hell was 
going on. 

1815
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:00,040
Like like you could look back to
1913 before we had an income tax

1816
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:05,760
in this country and we had roads
and people ate, you know, and 

1817
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,280
some people had electricity. 
Not everybody did I get it. 

1818
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,680
So we've we've done some things 
with that, maybe at some expense

1819
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,760
we didn't like. 
But we used to be able to do 

1820
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,000
stuff in this country before we 
started taking everybody's 

1821
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,200
paycheck left and right. 
Wouldn't it be nice if we just 

1822
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,160
started from scratch and just 
made this thing work? 

1823
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,080
I'd love to see some politicians
campaign on Everything is 

1824
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,480
broken. 
It's basically idiocracy, right?

1825
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,760
It's like love people. 
I know, I know stuff's all effed

1826
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,400
up. 
Like we got this guy, he's going

1827
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,320
to straighten it out. 
Can we just get a couple of 

1828
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,280
smart people in there to just 
go, this is garbage. 

1829
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,520
Is there still an opportunity to
come in and do the things you're

1830
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,400
talking about in the cities? 
Is there an opportunity? 

1831
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,280
There's there always this, sure.
I mean, you know, look put put 

1832
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:47,320
it this way, you know in fact 
that's where most of the 

1833
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,160
opportunity is. 
It's in the local. 

1834
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,920
It's in local governance, right.
I've often said, you know, you 

1835
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,600
know, that I'm not a Trump 
supporter, but I've said before 

1836
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,600
that I think Trump, to the 
extent that Trump is AI think 

1837
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,080
that Trump Trump, you can look 
at Trump as a useful president 

1838
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:09,040
without looking at him as a 
necessarily wise or prudent 

1839
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,120
president. 
He's a part. 

1840
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,760
That is to say, he's a table 
flipper and sometimes the table 

1841
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,240
needs to be flipped. 
But that presupposed that 

1842
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,440
someone else is going to come 
and put set the table to write 

1843
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:22,560
and reset everything and kind of
OK, we're going to do thing, 

1844
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,560
we're going to run things 
differently in here from now on.

1845
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,880
I refer to him as a breacher. 
You know what that is, right? 

1846
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,280
Yeah, but if you open that door 
and. 

1847
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,040
Goes in fourth. 
Man on the stack is a breacher. 

1848
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,680
OK, so he's going to get up 
there with his battering ram or 

1849
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,680
his hydraulic ram or his little 
shaped charger on the petard or 

1850
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,600
whatever it is, right? 
And he's going to blow that 

1851
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,640
thing. 
And then it's like if everyone 

1852
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,080
else just stands around high 
fiving and back slapping with a 

1853
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,880
goofy expression on their faces,
you're going to, you're going to

1854
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,000
take that to heart. 
You're going to feel like hey, 

1855
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:53,360
hey, hey, hey, hey, What are we 
doing? 

1856
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:55,680
Here you're going to, you're 
going to literally probably take

1857
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,640
fire that way. 
Correct exactly. 

1858
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,640
Well, and in the same way we 
talked about that you you talked

1859
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,040
about there being, you know, who
was fighting in the cities. 

1860
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,800
But it's essentially, yeah, you 
can have someone come in and 

1861
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,360
create that chaos, like make 
that space. 

1862
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,720
But even even even in jiu jitsu,
even in these, like you know, 

1863
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,120
these martial arts, you make 
space, you got to fill that 

1864
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,640
space by by moving, you got to 
do something. 

1865
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,640
It's like, oh, I'm going to, I'm
going to do a hip hop, but then 

1866
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,840
I'm going to slide. 
I'm going to use that that 

1867
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,520
opportunity to take some 
momentum. 

1868
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,600
There. 
Exactly. 

1869
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,400
You can't. 
You can't just do one thing and 

1870
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:24,960
then I did it you. 
Know. 

1871
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,120
Yeah. 
Look how Look how cool it was. 

1872
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:27,520
I I I pushed my body. 
Exactly. 

1873
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,880
Look how cool that and and and 
listen, we have to be honest, 

1874
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,160
much of what the MAGA movement 
has been doing over the past few

1875
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,480
years has been like, look how 
cool, I mean act. 

1876
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,800
After Trump got elected, a lot 
of what MAGA was doing was like,

1877
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,600
hey, look how cool that was. 
It's like, listen, there's work 

1878
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,400
to do, people. 
There's work to do. 

1879
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,440
Yeah, no time to watch. 
Your man, your man breached. 

1880
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:49,640
Your man breached the door. 
Get in there and work. 

1881
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,160
You know, start, you know, 
taking over. 

1882
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,960
Start applying the precinct 
strategy. 

1883
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,640
Start going around and figuring 
out how to get a broad 

1884
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,600
grassroots that can actually 
start to take back our 

1885
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,120
structures, our institutions, 
our Republic, you know? 

1886
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,200
But again, there's I I talked 
about self worship before. 

1887
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,560
There is a kind of narcissism in
despair. 

1888
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,680
There is a kind of a narcissism 
in saying yes, it's all over now

1889
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,000
because if things didn't go my 
way. 

1890
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,800
I'm so close. 
To one and therefore it's all. 

1891
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:20,960
Over. 
I'm so great but I wasn't 

1892
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,440
appreciated so. 
So it's all it's a everything's 

1893
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:26,320
going to burn now. 
Really. 

1894
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,240
Really. 
Because last time I checked, 

1895
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,440
other people in America kept the
faith, kept the civic faith, 

1896
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,120
right, under much more trying 
conditions. 

1897
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,600
You know, black folks, black 
Americans working, black 

1898
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:43,280
Americans kept the faith when 
essentially ISIS was running the

1899
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:48,160
American South, right? 
I mean, I mean going back 

1900
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,760
further I mean Booker T 
Washington started an industrial

1901
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:57,320
college for black people in the 
in in Alabama a generation or 

1902
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,600
two after the end of the after 
the Civil War was over wild. 

1903
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:06,000
So, so, so the idea that that 
that now because, well, they're 

1904
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,600
cancelling us on social media, 
excuse me. 

1905
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:09,920
Yeah, that. 
That. 

1906
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,360
I don't. 
That blows my mind, too. 

1907
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,080
It's like that that wasn't 
always there. 

1908
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,200
What did you do before social 
media? 

1909
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,200
All of America. 
Literally all of America. 

1910
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:19,280
They're. 
Stealing elections. 

1911
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,000
They've been stealing elections 
for a while, bro. 

1912
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,080
Yeah. 
Talk about, you know, so that 

1913
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,760
that just kind of illuminated 
that little thing. 

1914
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,640
And I and I want to touch on 
something you and I talked about

1915
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,760
privately, your instinct or 
interest in the Monks keeping 

1916
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,240
the lights on when the world 
went dark. 

1917
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,840
You want to talk about that for 
a little bit, 'cause I think I'm

1918
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,640
going to, I'm going to put you 
full screen for a moment, just 

1919
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,440
'cause I I really like that kind
of that image. 

1920
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:44,600
Yeah, thank you. 
Well, you know, when I I talk 

1921
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,920
about when I left the left, it 
wasn't a one day thing. 

1922
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,400
It was a it was a kind of a 
transition period and there were

1923
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:54,480
several kind of milestones. 
But one thing that happened was 

1924
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,680
that I started really thinking 
about Christianity. 

1925
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,640
You know, I was raised 
Episcopal, lost my faith some 

1926
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,960
years ago and I started to get 
it back. 

1927
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,600
I started to kind of it was odd.
I started to reason my way back 

1928
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:16,000
into religious faith is weird. 
But one thing that I was very 

1929
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,720
interested in was this idea of 
the monastic tradition. 

1930
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,800
Like, I began to understand that
that the the Dark Ages weren't 

1931
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,720
as dark as we thought they were.
And again, from a lot of reading

1932
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,920
and and listening to my 
Christian friends and, you know,

1933
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,920
all this, I started to realize 
that there were people. 

1934
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,840
There was this whole tradition 
of people who kept the lights 

1935
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:43,200
on, kept the light of reason on 
during a dark period in history.

1936
01:30:44,440 --> 01:30:48,000
You know, I began to realize 
that we know about Socrates and 

1937
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,000
Aristotle and all these cats 
because a bunch of Christians 

1938
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:56,120
SAT, you know, by candlelight 
and, like, wrote out books by 

1939
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:00,840
hand. 
You know, while growing all 

1940
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,800
their own food and brewing their
own beer. 

1941
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,600
That's pretty hardcore. 
It's pretty based. 

1942
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,280
It's it's pretty, yeah. 
But it's not based in a prepper 

1943
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,240
kind of way because they're 
like, no, we're we're like like 

1944
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,400
this is we're preserving 
something like this. 

1945
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:15,080
This will continue, you know 
what I'm saying? 

1946
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,880
It's like being the outpost 
somewhere. 

1947
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,760
You're just you're you're the 
last outpost for now. 

1948
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,960
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, 
you're you're a lighthouse, 

1949
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:23,960
that's what. 
You're for that's. 

1950
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,240
Right. 
And and the same thing about a 

1951
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,440
lighthouse is a lighthouse is a 
warning, right? 

1952
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:30,600
It it. 
It's job is to send a warning. 

1953
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,400
But that warning presupposes 
that there is still something 

1954
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:39,040
worth preserving, right? 
That ship has to turn away from 

1955
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,160
the from the from the reef, 
right? 

1956
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,720
Or from the sandbar what have. 
Yeah, but it supposes that 

1957
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,800
there's still a ship. 
That there's still a ship. 

1958
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,800
And somebody still cares about 
not running at a ground. 

1959
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,200
Correct. 
And and that's a kind of faith, 

1960
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,960
but we need that faith, right? 
Because building things, listen,

1961
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,080
building things requires faith. 
I mean, look, doing anything 

1962
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,280
consequential requires faith. 
It just does. 

1963
01:32:01,480 --> 01:32:04,040
It's an act of faith that's 
justed and said to us or maybe 

1964
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:09,400
it was CS Lewis to to assume 
that that that your reason is an

1965
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,760
appropriate instrument for 
understanding the world in the 

1966
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,440
1st place. 
That's an act of faith, right. 

1967
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,520
OK, So again, I'm not proposing 
anything new. 

1968
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,640
I don't claim to have invented 
anything. 

1969
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,240
I just started going back and 
and looking at history and 

1970
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,360
looking at the history of ideas 
and it's like, oh, wait a 

1971
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,720
second. 
There's all this cool stuff in 

1972
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,200
our theology and Christian 
theology is all this cool stuff 

1973
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,680
in our American tradition is all
this cool stuff in the Western 

1974
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,160
tradition, you know, and all we 
have to do is kind of pick up 

1975
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,080
some of these instruments and 
start to use them. 

1976
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,360
That's all. 
And and listen, I I don't. 

1977
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,560
I don't. 
I've never told anyone that 

1978
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,800
there was any kind of guarantee 
or that we're going to turn 

1979
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,720
things around next year. 
I've I've gotten into fights 

1980
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,680
with people for saying that 
we're in 100 year war. 

1981
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:01,200
So just settle in and relax 
because because it it's likely 

1982
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,400
that our grandchildren will sit 
in the shade of the trees we 

1983
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:08,280
plant. 
What Well is that not a noble 

1984
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,040
endeavor? 
Is that not noble to go ahead 

1985
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,600
and plant those trees? 
What are you saving it for? 

1986
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,400
You know, Or do you just want to
keep doomscrolling and say 

1987
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,160
everything is lost? 
And by the way, by the way, one 

1988
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:28,960
of the reasons why why young 
people, so many young people who

1989
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:34,360
become disaffected go to the 
left and not the right is 

1990
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,400
because the left at least has a 
story where they're trying to 

1991
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,480
save the world. 
Think about it for a second. 

1992
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,600
Think about it. 
The left is telling people, come

1993
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,040
on, we're going to save the 
planet. 

1994
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:46,680
Come on, we're going to end 
race. 

1995
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,560
I mean, now that's bullshit. 
But I'm saying that's what 

1996
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,120
they're saying. 
But they are doing it. 

1997
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:52,840
Yeah, you're right. 
No, they're offering a vision. 

1998
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,920
They're offering a vision. 
OK, so as I've said time and 

1999
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:00,040
time again, you know, if you 
have, if you're a young person 

2000
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,600
and you have a choice between 
Team Superhero and Team 

2001
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:08,560
Accountant, it's not even a it's
not even a question. 

2002
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:12,000
Nope. 
OK, Now by contrast, you look at

2003
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,560
you, you mentioned Christianity.
I talked about it briefly. 

2004
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,960
You know, it's like, actually 
that's a really cool story If 

2005
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,520
you just tell it. 
It's like, yeah, you know, some 

2006
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,160
of the ulterior mind tried to 
debug the world. 

2007
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,440
So basically he he took a part 
of himself and developed a 

2008
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:33,360
subroutine and injected it into 
the system, you know, and and 

2009
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:37,360
that subroutine turned into what
it was, a living virus and it 

2010
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:41,000
infected and it rewrote the 
software of human civilization 

2011
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:45,240
starting about 2000 years ago. 
And literally changed the values

2012
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,040
that people look at themselves 
with. 

2013
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,640
This is the thing that I always 
tell people and this. 

2014
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,600
This is why I think the Socratic
method is powerful, but it is 

2015
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,480
it's a it's a way of debugging 
leftism. 

2016
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,840
Because I don't think leftists 
are are my enemy. 

2017
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,160
I know you don't think they're 
your enemy. 

2018
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:00,960
Well, some of them. 
Are some of them act like, yeah,

2019
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,040
some of them act like our enemy 
individually, but the movement 

2020
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:06,240
is not my enemy, it turns out. 
Because The thing is, is that 

2021
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:07,720
they actually have the same 
values. 

2022
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,040
They're just they're just off. 
You know what I think of it is 

2023
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:14,320
it's like having a bad zero. 
It's like, oh, oh, I see. 

2024
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,200
What Yes. 
It's like your it's like your 

2025
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,000
your your sights are not aligned
properly. 

2026
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,800
And so you know up close, yeah 
we kind of hit the same stuff. 

2027
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,800
But if I take you out to 1000 
yards, you're going to be off 

2028
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,040
the paper. 
You're not even you're going to 

2029
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:25,040
be off. 
You know no impact. 

2030
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,520
No idea. 
That's where you're at. 

2031
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,600
That's how far off you're 1 
degree, 1° at 1000 yards is a 

2032
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,200
long ways off. 
But at, you know, up close, ten 

2033
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,320
degrees, 10-10 yards, yeah, 
we're still hitting the same 

2034
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,200
target. 
And and my thought is this, my, 

2035
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:41,680
my assumption is that people, if
I get them to tell me that the 

2036
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,640
reason that they think people 
are valuable is because people 

2037
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,280
have innate worth, because they 
do think that way. 

2038
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,440
You have to be a, if you're a 
leftist, you have to believe in 

2039
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:52,200
that there is no Karl Marx 
without Christianity. 

2040
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,960
There is no values of Karl Marx 
without Christianity. 

2041
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,640
That you just got it wrong at 
some point. 

2042
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,320
It's corruption. 
Although I think, I think part 

2043
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:06,080
of the problem is that is that I
think that that's true, but it's

2044
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,880
also that doesn't necessarily 
mean that modern leftists are in

2045
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,640
any way in touch with religion. 
They've. 

2046
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,600
Oh, I don't think they are 
either, I think. 

2047
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,120
They've gone in for self 
worship, but here's. 

2048
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,000
They've detached. 
I agree with you. 

2049
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,200
I'm just saying that if they if 
I could root them back to where 

2050
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,600
they where that comes from the 
quote. 

2051
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,040
Always come from, I would say. 
I wouldn't take them back to 

2052
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,000
Karl Marx. 
I mean I would like CS Lewis 

2053
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,120
said that it would be an upgrade
if if if young people started to

2054
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,600
become Pagan instead of 
materialist because that would 

2055
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:38,880
be a good like look I've said 
and it's not original on my part

2056
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,280
that like you don't everything's
downstream from theology. 

2057
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,600
There is no culture without 
religion. 

2058
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,200
Sorry, there is no culture 
without. 

2059
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,600
There's no science without 
religion right now. 

2060
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,120
Someone that there was a 
Conservative and a British 

2061
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,720
conservative named Sir Roger 
Scruton and he was doing a a 

2062
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,840
panel discussion and someone 
asked him how how we could get 

2063
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:07,360
young people to who were raised 
on on Lady Gaga and stuff like 

2064
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,880
that to appreciate let's say 
classical music. 

2065
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,680
And what he said was well you 
can't not directly. 

2066
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:19,760
He said first you have to get 
them to appreciate silence and 

2067
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:25,560
then in that silence right the 
appreciation of other things can

2068
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,840
blossom. 
So I think if if we could just 

2069
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:32,680
get, if we if we get, especially
our young lefty brethren, if we 

2070
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:39,000
could just get them embracing 
the idea of the sacred, that is 

2071
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,560
the supernatural, right? 
They did it. 

2072
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:45,040
Yes, we have law, whatever. 
But there is something there. 

2073
01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:49,520
The law and the state cannot be 
the highest value if we can just

2074
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,600
get them to admit that there's 
something else to which law and 

2075
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,400
the state must be subordinate. 
They don't have to declare for 

2076
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:56,760
Christ. 
I'm not saying that, but I'm 

2077
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,560
just saying if they could just 
agree to that, that would be an 

2078
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,720
enormous upgrade. 
Because at the end of the day, 

2079
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:06,240
what we need is more people to 
understand that, that we have to

2080
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:12,200
have what we have to have a 
hierarchy of of values. 

2081
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,960
That's the main thing I I think 
when I when I think about what's

2082
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,680
wrong with with society and not 
not just society. 

2083
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,200
What's wrong with business, 
What's wrong with American 

2084
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,920
foreign policy? 
Why we can't seem to put 

2085
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,480
together corporations to make 
decent stuff and and why we 

2086
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,280
can't, why nothing seems to 
work. 

2087
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:32,880
Well, the answer I come back to 
is not necessarily the death of 

2088
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,200
Christianity. 
It's more like the the 

2089
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:39,800
abandonment of hierarchy and the
embrace of self worship. 

2090
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,200
If if you, if you understand 
hierarchy and you're not 

2091
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:48,200
worshipping yourself, even if 
you're just like a a vaguely 

2092
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,760
skeptical deist like many of the
founding fathers were right, 

2093
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,120
that's better. 
But if you abandon that and you 

2094
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,840
abandoned the idea of of a 
hierarchy and you go toward 

2095
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,880
positive self worship, you are 
in a world of trouble and your 

2096
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,720
society is going to be in a 
world of trouble. 

2097
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,640
As you were talking, I just 
pulled up this quote by chest 

2098
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,120
and I want to read it if you 
don't mind. 

2099
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:14,320
It's really, it's really 
interesting, he said It's from 

2100
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:19,200
his book Orthodoxy. 
He said the modern world is not 

2101
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,720
evil. 
In some ways the modern world is

2102
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:25,360
far too good. 
It is full of wild and wasted 

2103
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,440
virtues. 
When a religious scheme is 

2104
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:32,680
shattered, as Christianity was 
shattered at the Reformation, it

2105
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,640
is not merely the vices that are
let loose. 

2106
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:40,480
The vices are indeed let loose, 
and they wander and do damage. 

2107
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:46,520
But the virtues are let loose 
also, and the virtues wander 

2108
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:50,480
more wildly, and the virtues do 
more terrible damage. 

2109
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:57,320
The modern world is full of the 
old Christian virtues gone mad. 

2110
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,760
The virtues have gone mad 
because they have been isolated 

2111
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,240
from each other and are 
wandering alone. 

2112
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:07,840
Thus some scientists care for 
truth, and their truth is 

2113
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:11,120
pitiless. 
Thus some humanitarians only 

2114
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:16,080
care for pity, and their pity, I
am sorry to say, is often 

2115
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:20,080
untruthful. 
Tabby. 

2116
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,240
There's a lot of that's firing 
at you all the time. 

2117
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:28,720
Yeah, non-stop, yeah. 
But even that silence you 

2118
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,400
brought up a a minute ago, that 
is, that's placed to maneuver. 

2119
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:32,880
Yes, Sir. 
That yes, Sir. 

2120
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,880
That's the table flip. 
That's right. 

2121
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,000
That's right. 
Yes, right, that's right. 

2122
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,800
That's right. 
It's an and and it's a. 

2123
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,680
It's a more achievable goal 
because it's incremental. 

2124
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,400
That's right that that's a, you 
know, that's one thing 

2125
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:46,960
everybody. 
Wants to solve it in one fells 

2126
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,000
to actually, you know what this 
reminds me of something Michael 

2127
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,760
Crichton wrote back in the he 
wrote Rising Sun. 

2128
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:53,720
Is that what it's called? 
Rising Sun? 

2129
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:54,840
Yeah, yeah. 
Is that what it's was that? 

2130
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:56,120
Am I right? 
I think it's rising sun. 

2131
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:59,240
Yeah, I think so. 
He always had these, like really

2132
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,080
interesting things that he was 
talking about, like cultural 

2133
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,200
commentary while he was telling 
the story of like a murder or 

2134
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:05,160
whatever, telling the story of 
like an airplane crash. 

2135
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,520
But it was like it was really 
more, you know, the the story 

2136
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,120
there was about the value of 
incrementalism and why the 

2137
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,880
Japanese were able to destroy 
absolutely just devastate 

2138
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,800
American electronics industries 
in the 80s because they were 

2139
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,320
willing to have a slightly 
better VCR. 

2140
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,040
They were willing to make a DVD 
player or you know, they didn't 

2141
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,520
have to jump the DVD. 
They would make a better VCR. 

2142
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,160
Then they would make one that 
had some anti shock and then 

2143
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:32,000
they'd make one that was able to
do a couple of more features and

2144
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,560
people bought it, they 
incrementally would sell it. 

2145
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:37,280
Whereas Americans were like, we 
need the the, the quantum leap, 

2146
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,960
we need the jump that changes 
the game. 

2147
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:41,720
And we're only interested in 
making that. 

2148
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,560
And if you're only aiming at, we
are going to revolutionize the 

2149
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:46,960
industry. 
You don't get incrementally 

2150
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,600
better batteries. 
That's right. 

2151
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,400
That's exactly. 
You don't get incrementally 

2152
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,360
better politics. 
You don't get incrementally 

2153
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,680
better policy. 
And incrementally, we're always 

2154
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,240
trying to say we're going to 
flip it on its head, we're going

2155
01:41:58,240 --> 01:41:59,760
to put in this guy and 
everything's going to be 

2156
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,320
righteous. 
That's not how the world works. 

2157
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:04,240
Right. 
And there's a kind of narcissism

2158
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:05,720
in that, too. 
I think so, yeah. 

2159
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,280
It's cult of personality. 
You have to believe that, right?

2160
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,120
You have to. 
There's that. 

2161
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,240
And there's also the thing of 
humbling yourself. 

2162
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,080
You know, like like it. 
Look in my career as a software 

2163
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:18,160
guy, right? 
Sometimes you're lucky enough to

2164
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:22,320
go into a place. 
Well, now that I'm senior, you 

2165
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,720
know, I I kind of have the 
luxury of being able to go and 

2166
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,960
say I want to work for start up 
companies where I'm like the 

2167
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,120
first or second or third 
engineer, you know, and stuff 

2168
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,360
like that. 
And I've been lucky enough to do

2169
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:37,720
that from time to time. 
But very often, as a software 

2170
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,640
guy, you go in and there's 
already a bunch of software 

2171
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,400
that's been written right? 
I mean, that's just the way it 

2172
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:42,840
is. 
OK. 

2173
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,760
Now, you may find that one or 
more of the systems in that 

2174
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,680
place are not kind of optimal. 
You know what I'm saying? 

2175
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:52,120
There's that there's something 
in there that's not quite right.

2176
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:55,240
OK, well, the first thing you 
have to do is humble yourself 

2177
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,400
and not go in there pissing 
everyone off by saying, oh, all 

2178
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,040
this is stupid and you're doing 
everything wrong. 

2179
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,120
Yes. 
You have to. 

2180
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:03,840
You have to learn to lead with 
the question. 

2181
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,520
OK Oh, I see. 
You're doing the. 

2182
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,080
OK, why are we doing this like 
that? 

2183
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:12,480
What am I missing? 
You know, it's very important 

2184
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:13,960
because first of all, you need 
to hump. 

2185
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,640
You need to, you need to get 
people on your side, people who 

2186
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,080
are willing to talk to you so 
they can tell you, the arcane 

2187
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,520
Lord, that you're going to have 
to learn to function effectively

2188
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,640
in the company. 
And also if you want to make an 

2189
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,240
improvement, you're just not 
going to be able to throw 

2190
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,320
everything away and start. 
You can't. 

2191
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:34,280
It's not on the table, right? 
This is the same in every team 

2192
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,520
environment and every culture 
you've ever walked in that 

2193
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,560
exists before you, which, by the
way, we've all been born into a 

2194
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,280
culture that existed before us. 
So that's what a culture is if 

2195
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,480
you're born into. 
It it already exists. 

2196
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:46,120
So you don't get to throw it all
out. 

2197
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,080
And and that's and that's why my
pipe dream of Congress is going 

2198
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,720
to repeal all the laws. 
They're not going to do that, 

2199
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:52,200
although they would be better if
they did that. 

2200
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:54,080
They're like they would 
immediately be better if they 

2201
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,960
scrapped all this garbage 
because they've done a bad job 

2202
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,920
on it. 
But that assumes that, like you 

2203
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,200
said, humility, you walk in. 
And this is my problem with with

2204
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,160
young people that are in their 
early 20s because I had a couple

2205
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:06,240
people saying, like, we're 
trying to get, you know, more 

2206
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,160
young people to politics. 
Why? 

2207
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,800
What do you know? 
You're like, you have energy. 

2208
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,080
I'm into that. 
There's, there's. 

2209
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:15,120
And I told this kid I said I'm 
going to give you some feedback.

2210
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,440
You didn't ask for it, but it's 
free, so it's worth whatever you

2211
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:19,200
got it for. 
And I said, here's the feedback.

2212
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:22,680
Let me share with you. 
There is a balance in life 

2213
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,520
between being the young guy 
who's got tons of energy, you 

2214
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,520
got all the piss and vinegar, 
you're willing to run down the 

2215
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,160
bad guy, you're going to run for
a mile and a half and finally 

2216
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,480
catch your man. 
And then there's also the old 

2217
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:34,800
guy who knows exactly where that
guy was running. 

2218
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,880
So he drove the car there, and 
when he comes around the last 

2219
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,800
corner, he hits over that, he 
falls over the top of the hood. 

2220
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,960
It's it's a joke in every police
movie, right? 

2221
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,720
Going back to the cops and 
robbers metaphors, but but 

2222
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,280
there's a balance between being 
knowledgeable enough, wise 

2223
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:51,160
enough that you know a lot of 
the tricks and turns and you 

2224
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:54,640
understand the wiliness of of 
having some experience but also 

2225
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:59,160
having the energy to push into 
the space and to to to make some

2226
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,680
room to move. 
And so there's a balance there. 

2227
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,400
And that balance I think happens
somewhere between like mid 30s 

2228
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,760
and mid 40s, like early, you 
know, early 50s kind of thing. 

2229
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:10,720
At some point, you don't have 
that anymore. 

2230
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,440
And then you're Chuck Grassley. 
Well, I would, I would say it 

2231
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:15,640
differently. 
I would say that that's why good

2232
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:20,440
organization, remember that 
we've defined deviancy down for 

2233
01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:23,840
decades now. 
Effective organizations for most

2234
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,560
of human history were cross 
generational organizations, 

2235
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,920
right? 
And effective teams for most of 

2236
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,120
our history as a species were 
cross generational. 

2237
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,320
Team Oh yeah, for sure. 
There was a council of elders, 

2238
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:37,480
right? 
There may have been a younger, 

2239
01:45:37,480 --> 01:45:39,880
more powerful guy who was going 
to implement it, but he went to 

2240
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:40,680
the brain. 
Trust he. 

2241
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,120
Went to the brain trust and he 
said listen, what am I missing? 

2242
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,400
And they said, Oh well, we've 
already tried that shit. 

2243
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,920
We did that when I was younger 
and everybody died and I'm the 

2244
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,560
only guy standing. 
We don't see again how. 

2245
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:51,720
How? 
There's humble. 

2246
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,880
They have to be humble. 
You have to humble yourself, and

2247
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,400
you have to reacquaint yourself 
with the and get good with the 

2248
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:00,920
concept of hierarchy. 
This is why I find my Catholic 

2249
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,920
friends so interesting. 
You know, because right away 

2250
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,720
they're like, Nope, there's a 
hierarchy. 

2251
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:08,080
Yeah, we get that. 
We get that thing. 

2252
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,560
You you get that and. 
And that's very, very very 

2253
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,840
important. 
You can't get anything useful 

2254
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:17,920
done without that hierarchy, so.
And and it and it takes humility

2255
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:19,360
to come in at the bottom of a 
hierarchy. 

2256
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:20,560
You have to know where you fit 
in there. 

2257
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,680
I mean look every every team 
I've ever been on. 

2258
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,480
If you want to immediately not 
be effective on that team, go in

2259
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,640
there and tell people how to do 
things right away without ever 

2260
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:30,280
learning what they do. 
It's like you don't know their 

2261
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:31,560
culture. 
You don't know why they do those

2262
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,480
things. 
As you said, you come in the you

2263
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:35,840
you leave with questions. 
Help me understand what we're 

2264
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,040
doing here. 
What are the values? 

2265
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:42,000
And then and then and then again
a thing that I really one of the

2266
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,560
one of the many things I stole 
from the US military you you 

2267
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:49,080
lead with service. 
So I I used to one one of my one

2268
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,880
of my jobs in the past I worked 
for a company called Take Two. 

2269
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,280
It's like a gaming company. 
They're the parent of like 

2270
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:58,800
Rockstar Games and two Kos. 
So, and I was a data senior data

2271
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,440
engineer over there and I was 
responsible for building this 

2272
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:07,520
kind of a a a new way, building 
a new way, a new system for 

2273
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,640
building a specific category of 
software. 

2274
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:12,120
So it wasn't just a piece of 
software it was like an entire 

2275
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:17,760
OK, so so a lot of the junior 
and mid level engineers working 

2276
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,760
around me, like they didn't, 
they didn't report to me. 

2277
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,560
Like I had to convince them. 
I had to get them on board, but 

2278
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,000
they didn't have to listen to 
me. 

2279
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:28,320
So you know, I would talk to 
them. 

2280
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,200
The first thing I'd I'll talk to
them respectfully. 

2281
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,280
And the second thing I do is 
I'll talk to them as if I was 

2282
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,480
trying to help them because I 
was trying to help them. 

2283
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,520
And so I'd be like, hey, you 
know, when you get a chance come

2284
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,560
do a ride along with me. 
Jump on a screen share. 

2285
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,280
I'm working on a data pipeline 
for so and so come check out 

2286
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,120
this tooling I've got. 
Maybe you'll think it's 

2287
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,440
horseshit. 
Maybe you think it's useful. 

2288
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:49,600
But check it out, because I'm 
writing data pipelines really 

2289
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:55,360
fast and I was able to get them 
on board because I wasn't 

2290
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:57,720
browbeating them. 
I wasn't insulting them. 

2291
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:59,160
I was like, hey, you know 
something? 

2292
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,160
I think you will generate more 
value for the company if you get

2293
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:04,680
to sit around and think for 
longer. 

2294
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,880
Like you shouldn't have to type 
so much. 

2295
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:11,280
Like your value as an engineer 
is, is is between your ears, not

2296
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,960
not at the end of your arms. 
So if you use this tooling, if 

2297
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,840
you use the system I'm 
designing, you'll be able to sit

2298
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:19,360
and think more. 
And that's good. 

2299
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,360
And they were down with that 
because that's what software 

2300
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,680
engineers like to do. 
They signed up to sit and think 

2301
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,160
about problems and then, you 
know, write a little bit of 

2302
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:31,320
code, you know. 
So yeah, this is, it goes back 

2303
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,040
to the whole thing. 
And by the way, that idea, the 

2304
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:38,120
idea of leading by service, 
yeah, that's also a very 

2305
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,520
Christian idea, yes. 
Yeah. 

2306
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,120
Model the way you want people to
see it. 

2307
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,800
What do they say? 
The the best Christian 

2308
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,440
preachers, right. 
They're always preaching and 

2309
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:49,840
some of them, some are speaking,
you know, some of the time. 

2310
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,480
Yeah, yeah, that's right. 
You know, if you want people to,

2311
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,160
if you want, and this is the 
story, this is, this is the 

2312
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,200
oldest story. 
It's like you want to model the 

2313
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,720
behavior, you want people to see
when people go like, man, that 

2314
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:02,200
guy seems like he's really got 
his, his shit squared away. 

2315
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:03,960
What is he doing? 
What is he all about? 

2316
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:05,040
Like, why does he do it that 
way? 

2317
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:08,720
And then they start asking. 
That's called getting permission

2318
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:11,920
to give people information. 
And we used to always, I mean I 

2319
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,520
used to do sales, right. 
So I used to do that. 

2320
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,040
And and everybody's always 
selling. 

2321
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,360
If you don't know, you are in a 
sales job. 

2322
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,200
We're all in the sales job every
day, all the time. 

2323
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,320
Even when I was an FBI agent, 
when I was a paramedic, it was a

2324
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,840
sales job. 
The sales job is I have a thing 

2325
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,240
that I'm doing and I'm and I 
want you to be on board with it.

2326
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,200
And so I got to get your 
permission to sell it to you and

2327
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,600
then and then you're going to 
buy in and you're buying as a 

2328
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:36,240
permission for me to actually do
the thing that I do. 

2329
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,480
That's right. 
So we're we're constantly doing 

2330
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:40,520
that. 
We're doing that through 

2331
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:42,400
preaching. 
You know preaching is is is 

2332
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,040
permission based. 
You're knocking on the door. 

2333
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,960
You're asking hey can I talk to 
you about this message I have 

2334
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,000
and people go, no, it's dinner 
time. 

2335
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,240
It's a bad time and you go OK, 
sorry to have bothered you. 

2336
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:53,200
What would be a good time to 
come back Because then you're 

2337
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:54,360
always doing the follow up 
right. 

2338
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:57,840
But in the same in the same way 
if you're you're working with 

2339
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,520
those software, the younger 
minds you're saying, hey I I got

2340
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:01,840
this thing would you come take a
look at it. 

2341
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:07,720
Would you be interested, would 
you would you accept my would 

2342
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,240
you accept what I'm doing and 
take some time with me. 

2343
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:13,280
Is there value in that? 
And they go, OK, sure, yeah, 

2344
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,480
I'll just come think about that 
with you And then yeah, you're 

2345
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,920
getting permission and then you 
go, would this be of value to 

2346
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:20,120
you later. 
And they go, yeah and you go, 

2347
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,880
can I show you a little more? 
They go, yeah, you can. 

2348
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,200
So now, now, now you've got buy 
in and we're constantly doing 

2349
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:26,400
that. 
So we can we need to be doing 

2350
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:30,000
this buy in I think again with 
with the political process as 

2351
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,240
well. 
Yes, Sir. 

2352
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,240
The the doors open we've got 
room that sounds like we have a 

2353
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:37,880
we have a massive audience of of
non turning out voters that we 

2354
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:39,400
need to get excited about it 
which I think is very 

2355
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,400
interesting and you've turned me
to that which I hadn't thought 

2356
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,040
about previously. 
That's right. 

2357
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,800
And and that means that states 
that are generally thought of to

2358
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,160
not be in play, that all the 
great minds think can't be 

2359
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:49,640
turned, that's. 
Right they. 

2360
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:51,160
Probably are. 
I don't think those people are 

2361
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,480
great mathematicians. 
They may understand how 

2362
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:55,960
elections have worked based on 
the structure that exists, but 

2363
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,600
not based on upsetting that 
structure, which is what you're 

2364
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,800
talking about. 
Yes, yes. 

2365
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:04,040
And so, yeah, I mean, and I 
think that's right. 

2366
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,400
And and look, I think at the end
of the day, so you mentioned 

2367
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,200
elections. 
That's, that's one part of it. 

2368
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,400
That's 1/2 of the picture. 
The other half of the picture 

2369
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:16,520
is, is re enchanting the world. 
It is that we have to also read,

2370
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,200
you know, it's not just about 
talking to people about 

2371
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,520
elections. 
It's about inviting people to 

2372
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:22,840
reach for a different 
instrument. 

2373
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:26,400
That's the phrase I always use. 
It is about inviting people to 

2374
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:30,120
reach for an instrument other 
than government to solve 

2375
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,800
problems, you know, which is. 
Theoretically what Christians 

2376
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,000
and and conservatives keep 
saying, it's like, hey, you know

2377
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:38,840
what a better thing is than 
giving a bunch of money through 

2378
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,800
some garbage government program 
that's not well run. 

2379
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,040
How about a bunch of people that
volunteer to do with their own 

2380
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,200
time and their own money? 
How about we have values and we 

2381
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:48,200
hold people up and we want to 
lift them up and we want to do 

2382
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:51,680
it for the right reason, not 
because we have our money taken 

2383
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:53,360
at the point of a gun. 
Which is correct. 

2384
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:54,800
Taxes work. 
Correct. 

2385
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,400
But I I will also say that, you 
know, one thing that 

2386
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,640
conservatives have all have to 
fix if they're going to be 

2387
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:05,160
effective is to get off this 
libertarian bandwagon. 

2388
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,440
Because that's just as bad. 
Yeah, explain that because I 

2389
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,800
think that'll that'll that'll 
hit people in the eyes. 

2390
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:14,280
Well, so, so look, you know, and
I have, I have libertarian 

2391
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:15,600
friends. 
I'm not mad at them. 

2392
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,880
I love my libertarian peoples. 
But libertarianism is a stance. 

2393
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,320
It's not a complete doctrine. 
Why not? 

2394
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:29,000
Because if you're going to tell 
me that man should be free, then

2395
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:30,720
my next question is, well, what 
is man? 

2396
01:52:32,440 --> 01:52:36,080
Is man just a species of talking
meat? 

2397
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:41,080
Is man just an accident? 
Because if man is an accident, 

2398
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:44,440
or if he's talking meat, or if 
he's just a collection of atoms,

2399
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,920
there's no particular reason why
man should be free. 

2400
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,200
There's no particular reason why
you should respect man. 

2401
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:54,880
I mean, I have lots of 
collections of atoms here in my 

2402
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,000
studio, right? 
And I can do what I want with 

2403
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,480
them. 
I can throw them away. 

2404
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:07,200
I can throw them in the fire. 
OK, so, so my Christian friends 

2405
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:12,600
who are libertarian, they have a
complete doctrine because they 

2406
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,480
started with an operating 
system, right? 

2407
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:19,840
That prescribes the proper 
relationship between men and 

2408
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,520
other things in the world, and 
above it, so to speak. 

2409
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,080
And then they run a program of 
libertarianism on top. 

2410
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,120
Of it. 
And then you can now you can run

2411
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,800
that libertarianism routine on 
that Christian operating system.

2412
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,640
Correct. 
Because the operating system is 

2413
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,840
telling you what goes where and 
how to put First things first 

2414
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,280
and so on and so forth. 
But you just can't say, well, I 

2415
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,080
don't, you know, man's an 
accident. 

2416
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,560
We're all just animals. 
But you should be free. 

2417
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:45,320
Three or four times. 
So I was going to hone in on 

2418
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:49,880
that, but that's what it lies. 
It's like and and and to to zone

2419
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:52,520
in specifically, right, you 
know. 

2420
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,560
Some of these things, some of 
the things we have, the problems

2421
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,720
we have to solve, are not 
amenable to sound bites. 

2422
01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:59,680
I'm very sorry. 
You know, in some cases we need 

2423
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,200
less government. 
In some cases the problem is we 

2424
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,200
didn't have enough government. 
I'll give you an example. 

2425
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,640
We had a financial crisis, 
housing crisis, remember. 

2426
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:11,600
And the problem, you know, our 
our conservative, our so-called 

2427
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,600
conservative. 
Brethren said at the time that 

2428
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:18,600
the problem with with the 2008 
housing crash was dumb black 

2429
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:22,600
people getting a subprime 
mortgages. 

2430
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,720
Now that wasn't the problem at 
all, but that's how they get 

2431
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:28,760
down. 
The problem is that we allowed 

2432
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,920
people to do crazy stuff with 
derivatives. 

2433
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:36,240
We, we invited them to play with
financial nitroglycerin, as 

2434
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:41,640
Warren Buffett called it. 
Yeah, and to sprinkle that all 

2435
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:45,480
over everyone's portfolio in the
form of these CDO's, these 

2436
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:48,680
derivatives basically. 
And derivatives are very 

2437
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:50,160
dangerous. 
I mean they're a very useful 

2438
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:52,440
technology. 
But if you, if you, if you have 

2439
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:58,680
no controls, you can get very 
bad results very quickly. 

2440
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,640
I'll never forget one of the 
oldest and most kind of like 

2441
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,640
revered trading firms in 
Britain. 

2442
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:09,520
A firm called Bearings PLC was 
taken out in the course of a 

2443
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:13,360
weekend by one guy trading 
derivatives on a desk in 

2444
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,760
Singapore. 
So these things are not to be 

2445
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:22,560
messed with. 
OK, Now, so so we had a law, a 

2446
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:27,200
regulation in place that said 
that retail banks are not 

2447
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:30,920
allowed to make high risk 
investments, not not to play 

2448
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,720
with derivatives in that way, 
right. 

2449
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,600
It was called Glass Steagall. 
It's a firewall between high 

2450
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:39,480
risk finance and retail banking 
because retail banking bank 

2451
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:41,800
accounts, right. 
Have a federal backstop. 

2452
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:48,640
They're insured by the FDIC. 
OK, So someone dismantled that 

2453
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:54,680
firewall and as a result, retail
banks were able to to play with 

2454
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:57,080
financial nitroglycerin. 
Yeah. 

2455
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:00,760
And as a result, the effects of 
that crash, when it happened, 

2456
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:03,480
were much worse than they had to
be. 

2457
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:08,040
Now was that OK, a case of too 
few regulations or too many 

2458
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:10,240
regulations? 
Well, in in that case, it was 

2459
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:11,920
like we we dismounted A 
regulation. 

2460
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:15,800
We should have kept. 
You see, we, we keep missing 

2461
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:18,680
because we don't have the 
correct logos. 

2462
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:22,000
We keep missing the point about 
scale that people like 

2463
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,320
Chesterton and Belloc got very 
well. 

2464
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,280
And for that matter, a lot of 
older, you know, older 

2465
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,320
generation conservatives, 
conservatives from a century ago

2466
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:34,960
kind of understood which is that
scale matters, which is that 

2467
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,480
capitalism works best when 
there's lots of small 

2468
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:41,400
capitalists. 
But but that requires a state 

2469
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:46,600
that is at the very least going 
to clamp down on economic rent 

2470
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,320
seeking. 
What do you think about the 

2471
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:52,880
whole the whole situation when 
the whole too big to fail? 

2472
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,440
Arguments were made, and my 
whole thought was it's supposed 

2473
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:58,280
to fail. 
And then a bunch of small 

2474
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:00,480
investors are supposed to come 
in and buy up the means of 

2475
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:03,400
capital and start new 
experiments that are more 

2476
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:04,880
nimble. 
That's the whole point. 

2477
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:07,640
Well, sure, but not if it's 
bigger than a certain amount. 

2478
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:09,440
I mean, here's the thing. 
I mean, yes, you're right. 

2479
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,400
But here's. 
The problem You know, you can't 

2480
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:16,000
let a company get so big that 
its failure would would be a 

2481
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,760
systemic threat to the economy. 
Because when it gets to that 

2482
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:23,760
point, it doesn't matter how 
libertarian that politician is. 

2483
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:28,760
It doesn't matter how much Hayek
or Milton Friedman or Adam Smith

2484
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,200
he's read. 
He's not going to do nothing. 

2485
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:34,760
The political imperative to just
do something will be too great. 

2486
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:36,080
You don't understand what I'm 
saying. 

2487
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:42,440
So the answer is yes. 
Companies that do bad things or 

2488
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:45,360
that handle money badly or make 
bad investments are supposed to 

2489
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,360
fail. 
But companies must not be 

2490
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,960
allowed to get so large that 
their failure would be a 

2491
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,040
systemic threat to the economy. 
Because by the time they get 

2492
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:56,280
that big luck, no politician 
will let them. 

2493
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:59,040
It's not going to happen. 
I'm sorry, that's utopian 

2494
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:00,960
thinking. 
They will step in. 

2495
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:05,320
OK, so, so that's the thing, you
know, why are there so few banks

2496
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:08,600
in, in, in, in, in America? 
Why are there not 100,000 

2497
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,160
different banks? 
Because there's there's too much

2498
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:13,600
of A regulatory burden on 
banking. 

2499
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:16,040
OK. 
So reasoning from first 

2500
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:19,720
principles, not trying to say 
just deregulate everything, but 

2501
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:25,400
thinking rationally will, is 
there a tier, Is there a banking

2502
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:28,560
tier that we can have where 
things can be more fast and 

2503
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:33,880
loose and can we preserve? 
Can we still preserve security 

2504
01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:36,160
for people who just want to put 
their money somewhere and know 

2505
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:37,600
it's going to be there the next 
day? 

2506
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:41,920
You know, we have to really 
start reasoning kind of more 

2507
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,280
deeply about this stuff because 
again, these our systems are 

2508
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:49,040
complex and some of the problems
that that that that we have are 

2509
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:53,160
complex problems and most 
solutions to complex problems 

2510
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,640
are wrong. 
Yeah, that checks. 

2511
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:57,800
And also it makes sense that 
people that are interested in 

2512
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:01,160
software would be. 
A really good group of people to

2513
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:04,240
talk to about this problem 
because if there's a lot of 

2514
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:06,960
similarities there's subroutines
there's primary routines there's

2515
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,400
you know some you know there's a
lot of different outputs that 

2516
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:12,640
are also getting regenerated 
back as inputs and and they're 

2517
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:15,480
going into other you know places
within that same sort of you 

2518
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:18,480
know I like I said my my 
understanding of code is is 

2519
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:21,320
cursory at best. 
I I I did some Java I did some 

2520
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:24,240
C++ I was terrible at all of it.
But I understand the principles 

2521
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:25,400
of it. 
I can look at it and see OK 

2522
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:27,640
that's what this thing's doing 
and putting out and we're 

2523
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:30,400
dealing with a massively complex
system with a lot of inputs a 

2524
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:32,800
lot of outputs and a lot of 
variables that change regularly.

2525
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:36,320
So if that's the case, this is 
not a, this is not a simple. 

2526
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,120
This is why the. 
I always feel. 

2527
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:39,920
Like the sort of the left isn't 
like what we're saving the 

2528
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:41,040
world. 
We just got to stop Carbon. 

2529
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:43,440
You know what's funny? 
I see. 

2530
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:46,720
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's right. 

2531
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:48,920
Well, this isn't a conversation 
for another day, but I always 

2532
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:51,640
feel like the CIA does single 
factor analysis all the time 

2533
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:53,040
too. 
It's like, oh, there are guys, 

2534
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,280
this is the problem. 
We'll just kill that guy. 

2535
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,720
We create power vacuums over and
over again like they've never 

2536
01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:59,880
seen it happen before. 
And you just keep thinking like,

2537
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,840
guys, this is not a simple 
system. 

2538
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,160
This is an entire society. 
They have an entire ethos. 

2539
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:06,880
There's a way of life that was 
created. 

2540
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,440
That person is integral to it. 
And you think just like cutting 

2541
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:11,200
off the head of something and 
something new is going to grow 

2542
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:13,320
back that you like and that's 
going to change the bottom. 

2543
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,520
Like, no. 
You just, you know, it's so 

2544
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,520
weird. 
What's fascinating about you 

2545
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:20,800
saying that as I I was just. 
Reading this sub stack called 

2546
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:24,880
it's called Gaius Baltar Sub 
Stack and he I think he said 

2547
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,400
something that was very similar.
It's like we have these people 

2548
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,960
who just want to look at one 
thing and and they want to 

2549
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,120
fixate on well, well it. 
It's part of the progressive 

2550
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:36,000
mindset. 
I did a Space a while ago where 

2551
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,560
I talked about the progressive 
mindset. 

2552
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:41,200
It was me and and and my my 
friend Sean who Co hosts the 

2553
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:44,000
Hidden Path Conservative Space 
series with me. 

2554
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:47,400
And one of the things I was 
saying was in the conservative 

2555
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:51,480
mindset is characterized by by 
three things. 

2556
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:56,120
The conservative mindset wants 
to analyze right it. 

2557
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:58,640
It wants to eradicate and wants 
to subjugate. 

2558
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:03,440
So if you think about analysis, 
right, it's it's like the 

2559
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:07,320
conservative mind wants to 
dissect something and try to 

2560
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:10,320
understand it based on its parts
in isolation. 

2561
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:12,560
But that just doesn't work, Do 
you know what I'm saying? 

2562
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:14,200
It's like it's not, yeah, you 
can't do that. 

2563
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:15,840
You can't. 
You know you can't. 

2564
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,000
You you can do that if you want 
to understand. 

2565
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:20,840
That part. 
But to understand how that part 

2566
02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:23,600
actually functions, it's just 
not that simple. 

2567
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,480
Correct. 
And and we've we've kind of 

2568
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:30,840
decided that, I don't know, we 
want it to be that simple. 

2569
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:33,520
Or maybe it's another form of 
narcissism, like we think, yeah,

2570
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,440
I should be able to understand 
this or I've. 

2571
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:37,200
I've focused on this for 10 
years. 

2572
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:40,640
So this is the answer. 
But I mean, you know, look, I 

2573
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:43,600
see this with some of these 
PayPal conservatives that happen

2574
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:46,760
to be obsessed with race and IQ.
They're like, well, race and IQ,

2575
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:50,600
Race and IQIQIQIQ. 
Listen, listen, it's true that 

2576
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:54,560
you have to have higher than a 
certain baseline ability to 

2577
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:57,640
manipulate abstract ideas if you
want to, for example, write 

2578
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:00,080
software. 
But it's also true that once you

2579
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:03,320
hit, once you pass that 
threshold, additional points 

2580
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:06,440
don't necessarily buy you any 
additional capability. 

2581
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:10,000
That's because past that 
threshold, now other things 

2582
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,000
start to be more. 
Important, Like your ability. 

2583
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:14,880
To communicate your ability to 
write a good document, your 

2584
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:18,280
ability to think about whether 
how I should word this error 

2585
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:22,080
message that I'm writing into my
code so the next guy who comes 

2586
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,320
and is trying to use my 
horseshit code can see what the 

2587
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:28,240
hell is going on without 
spending 15 minutes running down

2588
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:30,320
blind alleys. 
Let's, well, let's bring it 

2589
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:32,040
into. 
Let's break it into a different 

2590
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:32,960
analogy. 
Check this out. 

2591
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:34,960
It's like, you could you? 
Can increase the horsepower of 

2592
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,560
an engine to a certain point. 
But if your transmission and you

2593
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:40,040
don't have enough friction at 
the wheel, you're spinning 

2594
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:41,040
tires. 
So who cares? 

2595
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:44,600
Spinning tires exactly. 
And and there's a there's a lot 

2596
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:46,520
of that in history of. 
Really, really smart people. 

2597
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:48,240
To get 0. 
Things done because they're. 

2598
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:52,040
So smart they can't transmit it.
So there's there's other factors

2599
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:54,720
in that in that problem and I 
agree with you 100% on all of 

2600
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:56,680
that, right. 
I mean, I mean, who was smarter,

2601
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:59,240
like Robert Oppenheimer or 
Leslie Grove? 

2602
02:02:59,960 --> 02:03:04,240
Well, I think Oppenheimer was 
smarter, but like you wouldn't 

2603
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:07,680
have had a Manhattan Project 
without Leslie Grove, and and 

2604
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:10,280
Oppenheimer wasn't the guy to 
build the Manhattan. 

2605
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,360
Pray couldn't have done it. 
Think about all the people out 

2606
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:15,680
there that have come up with 
theoretically amazing ideas and 

2607
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:17,440
it. 
Takes like some high school 

2608
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:20,240
education machinist to be able 
to turn it into reality. 

2609
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,480
That's exactly. 
And if you don't have respect 

2610
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,440
for all the parts in the 
machine, then you're also a 

2611
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:25,800
fool. 
Like, you've got to respect the 

2612
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:28,640
person that can theorize it. 
You've also got to respect the 

2613
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,560
person that has the hard skills 
to turn into reality. 

2614
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,000
I used to go down to the machine
shop in the engineering school 

2615
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:36,000
at Oklahoma, and I remember one 
time that something just blew me

2616
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,200
away. 
And you see somebody that's 

2617
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:38,400
really, really good at their 
trade. 

2618
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:41,160
And I loved, I love tradesmen. 
Like, I just think that that's 

2619
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:44,480
such a it's such a lost value 
that you don't look at like a 

2620
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:46,440
journeyman in a trade. 
And you're like, this person is 

2621
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:49,440
where the rubber meets the road.
I brought this guy. 

2622
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:56,200
I brought this guy a a threaded 
piece and I wanted to to match 

2623
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:59,680
the threads onto this tiny 
little pipe that I had and he 

2624
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:05,280
looked at it and he goes musical
application and I was like yeah 

2625
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:08,160
this thread's into the bottom. 
Of a into a microphone. 

2626
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,320
How did you know that? 
And he was like, man, when 

2627
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:12,560
you've been around thread like 
machine threads for as long as I

2628
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,560
have, like you just know that 
there are certain common threads

2629
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,240
that you can eyeball and you 
know what they're used for. 

2630
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:20,480
Wow, that was like, holy shit, 
that is freaking cool, right? 

2631
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:21,840
If. 
If you showed somebody A. 

2632
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:23,600
Piece of pipe that was threaded 
on the end and he goes, that 

2633
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:28,160
goes and that's a musical 
application like wow how? 

2634
02:04:28,160 --> 02:04:30,920
And that was probably like a. 
No brainer for him. 

2635
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:33,560
He just probably just like that 
was just, you know, that was 

2636
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:35,040
like if I held you up a 
hamburger and you're like, 

2637
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,080
that's a burger. 
Like that's how easy that was 

2638
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:38,160
for him. 
That's right. 

2639
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:41,960
And by the way, it's not clear 
to me that of course he. 

2640
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:44,320
Has you. 
You would assume he has a 

2641
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,920
certain ability to manipulate 
abstract ideas, because that's 

2642
02:04:46,920 --> 02:04:49,120
kind of what machinists do when 
they think about jigging 

2643
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:51,400
something up and they think 
about tool holding and the 

2644
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:55,800
mental modeling, how machining 
out some key way in a piece of 

2645
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:58,200
metal is going to change the 
metal and the whatever and the 

2646
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:01,520
stress is granted. 
But like that thing where you 

2647
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:04,840
could just say, Oh yeah, music, 
you know, that's a thing for a 

2648
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:07,880
mic stand or whatever. 
It's not clear to me that you 

2649
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:11,680
can measure that capability 
using IQ or any other. 

2650
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,240
No, there's a there's like a 
visual recognition there. 

2651
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:16,360
It's like somebody who can shoot
that may be dumb as a brick. 

2652
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,720
But you know they can hit a 
target that's moving at you 

2653
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:21,320
know, they're doing calculus in 
their head that is that is 

2654
02:05:21,320 --> 02:05:23,640
following a parabolic arc that 
is, you know, dealing with 

2655
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:26,880
gravity and and some, you know 
some shape that is catching the 

2656
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:29,640
air differently and the smoke. 
You're like, I don't know, 

2657
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:31,640
hitting a baseball out of the 
park. 

2658
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:32,760
Like do you have to be 
brilliant? 

2659
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:33,840
No. 
But you got to have some. 

2660
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:36,440
You have to have a 
three-dimensional view of the 

2661
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:38,480
world that you're 
conceptualizing and your hands 

2662
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,000
are able to do the thing that 
your mind imagines and you're 

2663
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,240
transmitting it into reality. 
So yeah. 

2664
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:46,400
Again I horsepower, we always 
talk about intellectual 

2665
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:47,920
horsepower. 
My buddies and I use this word 

2666
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:52,600
and that's just the raw ability 
to to to grab data and ideas and

2667
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:54,920
and work them. 
And I have some friends with a 

2668
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:57,480
really really high degree of 
intellectual horsepower. 

2669
02:05:57,880 --> 02:06:00,560
Yeah, but not all of them can 
get anything done in the world, 

2670
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:02,280
correct. 
This is very important. 

2671
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:04,120
And like I said, where the 
rubber meets the road is 

2672
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:06,160
somebody who's got good. 
Transmission, you've got to be 

2673
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:09,080
able to take that. 
Horsepower and move it through 

2674
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:13,520
and turn it into an actual 
functional friction based 

2675
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:16,120
propulsion. 
It's got to go somewhere if you 

2676
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:18,840
wanted to do something and and 
we all need a little bit of all 

2677
02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:20,480
of that. 
Like I love having super smart 

2678
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:22,680
people that go, what about all 
these problems And you go, yeah,

2679
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:25,040
yeah, yeah, OK we're just going 
to do something and this is the 

2680
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,080
thing we're going to do, right. 
It's going to brute force it. 

2681
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:27,320
Right. 
Yeah. 

2682
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:29,240
Thank you for thinking of all 
the problems. 

2683
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:30,200
We're just going to. 
We're going. 

2684
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:31,760
To muddle through it and then by
the way, I'm going to. 

2685
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:32,880
Need you to troubleshoot it as 
we go. 

2686
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:35,880
That's right, because we're 
going to do something that's 

2687
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:37,360
exactly right. 
Otherwise we just sit there and 

2688
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:38,480
we do analysis. 
Paralysis. 

2689
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,880
Which is what I call it well. 
That's right, but. 

2690
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,760
As you bring that up I I just 
just tonight I was working on 

2691
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:46,240
this. 
Project Shout out to By the way.

2692
02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:50,480
Shout out to Dana Lash who is 
one of the real ones. 

2693
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:53,640
She gave me a a a an interview. 
She gave me a mic to talk about 

2694
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:57,320
my case. 
And her husband, Chris Lash is 

2695
02:06:57,320 --> 02:07:00,960
mad cool. 
And so, you know, apropos of 

2696
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:03,280
what we've just been talking 
about, like, I've been working 

2697
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:04,400
on this. 
Hold on, let me put you full 

2698
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:05,480
screen here. 
OK, What do we got here? 

2699
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:08,200
Yeah. 
OK, so Chris Lash was. 

2700
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:12,080
Working on. 
We we were D Ming back and forth

2701
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:16,800
and he he talked about the need 
to do shot registration at a 

2702
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,880
shooting range, right? 
So he'd have some. 

2703
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:22,840
The, the scenario he painted for
me roughly was you've got some 

2704
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:25,800
training software, right? 
That's doing something, it's 

2705
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:28,880
running on a phone or on a 
laptop or whatever and and 

2706
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:31,840
somehow like you need to 
register the fact that you, 

2707
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,800
this, a particular shooter with 
a pistol, actually fired his 

2708
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,240
weapon at such and such a time, 
right? 

2709
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:42,240
So just taking that idea, you 
know, we were talking back and 

2710
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:44,640
forth and he said at one point 
he said, well, maybe we could 

2711
02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:46,200
have. 
I've been thinking about a way 

2712
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:50,000
to profile the sound of a shot. 
You know, could you write some 

2713
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,160
software that could fingerprint 
the, could do the Sonic 

2714
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:55,400
fingerprint of a particular 
gunshot? 

2715
02:07:56,240 --> 02:08:00,440
And I said, well, you know, 
maybe, but I'm, you know, one, 

2716
02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:03,520
I'm a big skeptic about 
so-called AI and things like 

2717
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:04,760
that. 
And two, it's just, it just 

2718
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:07,040
seemed to me to to too much of a
heavy lift. 

2719
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:11,040
The transient, the the the Sonic
transient is way short. 

2720
02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:14,560
And also there's interruptive 
sounds that's always like the 

2721
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:16,240
sound waves get interrupted as 
they move. 

2722
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:17,360
Yeah, yeah. 
OK, I'm with you. 

2723
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:21,440
So, so I started thinking and I 
came back to him and I said hey,

2724
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,840
listen. 
Maybe we brute force this 

2725
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:28,040
problem, and maybe what we do is
we have a little thing that's 

2726
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:31,160
worn on the shooter's wrist or 
on his sleeve. 

2727
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:35,120
And there's an accelerometer and
there's A and there's a 

2728
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:38,520
microphone. 
And the accelerometer will pick 

2729
02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:41,880
up the recoil transient, The 
microphone will pick up the shot

2730
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:44,520
report. 
And those two correlated 

2731
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:47,360
together in time, will tell you 
that that particular shooter 

2732
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,640
fired his weapon. 
I mean, you'll hear the the mic 

2733
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:51,760
will pick up other shot reports 
because you're in a shooting 

2734
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,360
range, right? 
But if there's not, if there's 

2735
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:56,280
not the signature of recoil that
goes on in the accelerometer, 

2736
02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:58,080
then it doesn't. 
Happen then It doesn't happen 

2737
02:08:58,080 --> 02:08:59,920
exactly. 
So this is part one of that I 

2738
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:01,680
I'm calling it Osiris, I told. 
Him. 

2739
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:04,000
I'd work on it and work it up 
and then we'd. 

2740
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:08,040
I'd open source it so that if I 
go to prison someone can still 

2741
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:10,800
pick up the coding needs. 
So basically this is, do you 

2742
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:12,160
want to know something that's 
crazy? 

2743
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:14,840
Garmin already has 
accelerometers built into their.

2744
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,680
Into their their watches. 
I'm sure they do. 

2745
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:20,120
Yeah. 
I I looked at that. 

2746
02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:22,320
Actually I looked at some Garmin
watches, but my thing. 

2747
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,320
Is you'd have to buy a Garmin 
watch this, this prototype 

2748
02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:29,640
platform, like like this you're 
looking at maybe 30 bucks worth 

2749
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:31,800
of parts. 
OK, like, that's it. 

2750
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:33,520
Hold on. 
Let me put it back full screen 

2751
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:34,000
again. 
There it goes. 

2752
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:36,920
Yeah, so basically this is this 
is the accelerometer chip. 

2753
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:39,600
Right, this is a single. 
Board computer, basically it's 

2754
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:42,560
an Arduino, but it's made by a 
company called Adafruit and 

2755
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:45,720
this, this is designed to be 
sewed onto clothing. 

2756
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:48,160
I think this whole thing, this 
little single board computer is 

2757
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:52,440
like 14 bucks, right? 
So I just essentially spun up a 

2758
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:54,640
little bit of code. 
Hang on a SEC. 

2759
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:56,040
I'm going to share the screen 
here. 

2760
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,960
Let's see. 
Can I share that screen? 

2761
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,040
Can I do that? 
No. 

2762
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:01,840
Wait a minute. 
One second. 

2763
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:03,280
One second. 
I know what I need to do. 

2764
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,160
I need to open up this window. 
There we go. 

2765
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:09,600
OK, so now I'm going to share my
screen. 

2766
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:13,520
Maybe share the window. 
Yes, I will. 

2767
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:16,520
OK, you share the window. 
So let me let me grab it. 

2768
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:18,680
I can grab it from here and 
throw it on one second here, OK?

2769
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:19,560
OK, cool. 
Yep. 

2770
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:24,600
OK, bear with me a moment. 
No problem. 

2771
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:27,120
I'm betting I can put it in 
guest. 

2772
02:10:27,120 --> 02:10:32,840
Two. 
Let's do it here, OK. 

2773
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:34,920
And I'm going to keep that muted
and. 

2774
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:36,880
I'm going to open that. 
Let's see if we can make this. 

2775
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:41,280
Happen here. 
All right. 

2776
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:44,000
Up. 
Now you're muted. 

2777
02:10:46,160 --> 02:10:47,280
Hold on. 
Talk. 

2778
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:50,360
Yep. 
One. 2345, got it. 

2779
02:10:50,360 --> 02:10:51,240
OK. 
We're on it. 

2780
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:53,960
OK. 
So if you if you can see that. 

2781
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:56,720
My guest, Mike, I didn't set. 
Up for another guest. 

2782
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:58,600
So let me pull off this scared 
of. 

2783
02:10:58,600 --> 02:11:00,160
Boil, There we go. 
All right, there's your code. 

2784
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:03,280
OK, so can you see the The code 
isn't important because it's 

2785
02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,720
like copy pasta mostly. 
It's not, it's not very 

2786
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:08,400
complicated. 
It's just it's just pulling the 

2787
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:10,880
accelerometer is all you know 
and saying hey, what? 

2788
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:11,280
What? 
Right? 

2789
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:14,080
But if you look at the bottom 
half of the screen you see, you 

2790
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:15,960
should see numbers scrolling by,
right? 

2791
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:20,560
Yep, XLXYZ, right? 
So there's and you know this and

2792
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:22,880
and so I don't know if people 
can see, but when I jerk the, 

2793
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:27,760
when I when I twist it one way 
or another, the numbers change 

2794
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:30,640
in a certain way and that tells 
me that the X axis is the one 

2795
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:32,600
I'm interested in. 
That's the transient. 

2796
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:38,480
So, so basically that this, this
accelerometer goes on the 

2797
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:40,920
person's wrist, so does this, 
The whole thing probably gets 

2798
02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:44,800
sewn onto a kind of a sleeve or 
a glove, a shooting glove with a

2799
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,200
long sleeve. 
So all the parts can be in one 

2800
02:11:47,200 --> 02:11:49,800
place. 
But basically this is the 

2801
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:52,560
beginning of Osiris open shot 
registration system. 

2802
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:58,080
And so that is, if I can do this
and I can add a mic and I'll 

2803
02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:00,320
show you. 
I actually bought a miniature. 

2804
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:03,360
I actually bought a miniature 
mic. 

2805
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:08,840
Secure. 
Let me get your full screen 

2806
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:09,480
here. 
There it is. 

2807
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:12,080
No your full screen. 
There's your full screen. 

2808
02:12:12,120 --> 02:12:14,320
So this is this is the miniature
mic right here. 

2809
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:15,600
Nice. 
So right. 

2810
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:17,520
So very. 
Small so you know everything 

2811
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,920
just goes on a glove or a sleeve
or what have you. 

2812
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:22,040
And you again, you pick up the 
recoil transient. 

2813
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:26,480
You pick up the Sonic transient.
I lost all of them. 

2814
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:31,640
Hold on, I got to get you back. 
That's what I get. 

2815
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:33,240
I tried to hang up on his extra 
screen. 

2816
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:37,560
Y'all we'll we'll get at the top
back in here again. 

2817
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:43,200
That's classic. 
Right when he's telling me his 

2818
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:45,560
cool invention. 
In any case, you guys can kind 

2819
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:48,560
of see what was going on with 
that little piece of tech, which

2820
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:50,760
is pretty neat. 
We'll get, we'll get my man 

2821
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:52,960
Dexter back here just a second 
and we'll wrap this sucker up 

2822
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:54,920
because I think that there he 
is. 

2823
02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:57,240
Hold on. 
We got to get some audio 

2824
02:12:57,240 --> 02:12:59,200
unmuted. 
Check, 1-2. 

2825
02:12:59,240 --> 02:13:00,640
There he is. 
All right, brother. 

2826
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:02,520
I just yeah, I I disconnected 
from your share. 

2827
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:03,680
Screen but it knocked out both 
you oh. 

2828
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So. 

2829
02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:08,400
So yeah, this, this plus the 
accelerometer plus a single 

2830
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:10,080
board. 
Computer give and then I I I 

2831
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:12,000
bought AI bought a Wi-Fi 
chipset. 

2832
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:15,480
So again another very small part
you can power the whole thing 

2833
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:19,720
with like a 9 Volt battery pack 
or whatever and and then it 

2834
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:22,040
should be able to transmit 
those. 

2835
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:24,640
You know when it when when it 
does a shot registration, it can

2836
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:28,360
just transmit that chunk of data
to whatever shooting platform, 

2837
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:29,880
whatever training platform you 
have. 

2838
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:33,520
Like, I don't care what you're 
using, yeah, but if you're using

2839
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:35,840
like Mantis X or something like 
that, running across a bunch of 

2840
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:37,120
different people, you can see 
all these. 

2841
02:13:37,120 --> 02:13:39,960
Different shooters doing Mantis 
X on one side, something like 

2842
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:41,280
that. 
Yeah, yeah, very cool. 

2843
02:13:41,400 --> 02:13:43,640
So fun stuff. 
But I mean but but all that by 

2844
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:45,520
way of saying that. 
Like you know, sometimes, 

2845
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:49,680
sometimes you want to burn a lot
of you want to burn a lot of CPU

2846
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:51,360
to get something done. 
Other times you're like, no, 

2847
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,960
just brute force it. 
Like try something simple, you 

2848
02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:57,840
know? 
Yeah, you know, that's the kind 

2849
02:13:57,840 --> 02:13:59,760
that's the kind of stuff I love 
and this kind of stuff. 

2850
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:00,880
If if New York. 
State. 

2851
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:04,200
Wasn't wasn't messing with my 
life. 

2852
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:07,120
I'd be doing kind of like all 
the time, like developing 

2853
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:13,440
products and and and tech and 
and yeah, I love this. 

2854
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:16,400
And what's more American than 
finding something you love doing

2855
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:18,560
your hobby on? 
It and trying to improve it for 

2856
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:20,600
the next generation like that's 
kind of what it's all about. 

2857
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:23,840
Let's give people just a an 
overview of what we're expecting

2858
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:25,480
in the next little bit what you 
guys had in your opening 

2859
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:28,400
statements and and then we'll 
wrap the sucker up since we've 

2860
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:29,400
been going at it for a little 
bit. 

2861
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:32,840
But I think people have I think 
people need to follow this case.

2862
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:34,560
So first of all let me, I've 
been throwing it on the screen 

2863
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:35,840
left and right. 
So I'll throw it again. 

2864
02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:39,840
That is your handle on Twitter 
where people can follow you and 

2865
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:43,920
they can see the updates. 
It's future radiocast, all 

2866
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,400
spelled out Future radiocast. 
All right, Dexter, give them, 

2867
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,280
give them the lay of the land 
for this, for this court 

2868
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:49,800
situation. 
Yeah. 

2869
02:14:49,800 --> 02:14:55,640
So this was week one, basically.
When we've again I was rated in 

2870
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:58,560
April of 2022. 
There have been a lot of delays,

2871
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:03,480
back and forths for a while. 
We were waiting on data from the

2872
02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:07,760
NYPD. 
We we filed a motion to dismiss 

2873
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:11,320
on brewing grounds and that 
required us to get certain data.

2874
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:13,560
We filed A FOIA request. 
We got that data. 

2875
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:17,080
I wrote the code to transform 
that data so my legal team could

2876
02:15:17,080 --> 02:15:19,360
do analytics on it. 
That's also open source, by the 

2877
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:22,520
way. 
But Long story short, here we 

2878
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:26,200
are. 
We did jury selection that that.

2879
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:29,400
It took about a week or so for 
us to get a jury to impanel a 

2880
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:32,200
full jury. 
So we finally seated the last 

2881
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:36,040
juror, the last alternate this 
week and we started opening 

2882
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:39,720
arguments was with opening 
arguments on Thursday I believe.

2883
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:47,360
And I have to say so far, look, 
I don't want to jinx myself by 

2884
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:52,560
gloating over the over the 
mistakes of my adversary, but so

2885
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:55,240
far the prosecution has not 
covered itself in glory. 

2886
02:15:55,480 --> 02:16:00,800
You know the the, the game. 
The fix is definitely in. 

2887
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:07,560
It's clear that New York State 
that the court itself is kind of

2888
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:11,720
inclined to put its finger on 
the excuse me, its thumb on the 

2889
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:14,720
scale right on the side of the 
prosecution. 

2890
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:20,480
So for example they struck the 
the prosecution struck every 

2891
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:23,080
every strong black male figure 
from the jury panel. 

2892
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:28,920
My jury panel is is is. 
My jury is is mostly women and 

2893
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:32,680
and three white guys now taking 
nothing away from my white 

2894
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:35,840
brethren. 
It's supposed to be a jury of my

2895
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:38,000
peers. 
I, I I would have liked to see 

2896
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:41,840
one or two working class black 
guys that would have been nice. 

2897
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:44,080
One would think there was one 
guy. 

2898
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:48,480
There was one guy that they that
they struck that they struck who

2899
02:16:48,480 --> 02:16:50,360
literally he worked at a law 
firm. 

2900
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:54,520
He worked with like a like a 
man, like copy center guy, copy 

2901
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:56,719
center technician in a law firm 
downtown. 

2902
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:00,400
He had a brother in Homeland 
Security and another one in the 

2903
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:02,240
police. 
We liked him. 

2904
02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:04,320
The prosecution struck him 
again. 

2905
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:07,040
Strong black guy. 
Couldn't have that. 

2906
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:11,719
Anyway, I like this jury. 
I actually like the jury we got.

2907
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:15,440
Because they're ordinary New 
Yorkers, like most of they're 

2908
02:17:15,440 --> 02:17:17,639
working people. 
They're women who have to, like,

2909
02:17:17,639 --> 02:17:19,639
get on the subway every day. 
Do you know what I'm saying? 

2910
02:17:19,639 --> 02:17:23,520
Like, like they're people who 
understand that people go home 

2911
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:26,559
every night and like, look at 
the news and see the craziness 

2912
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:29,799
happening in our city. 
And the prosecution has to 

2913
02:17:29,879 --> 02:17:33,400
persuade them to look at me and 
say, yeah, put this guy away for

2914
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:36,320
18 years. 
He's dangerous because he was 

2915
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:40,040
making things right with the 
opportunity cost is that we're 

2916
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:42,040
going to waste all of our time 
running after Dexter. 

2917
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:45,000
But we're not going to go and 
fix your subway problems where 

2918
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:46,680
we got this going on. 
We're not going to spend our 

2919
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:48,760
energies doing things that, you 
know, that are going to really 

2920
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:51,440
materially affect you. 
But this guy who was making 

2921
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:53,799
stuff in his house and never 
left with him, right? 

2922
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:55,920
That's real scary. 
Yeah, so. 

2923
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:57,840
So that's a tough. 
Sell. 

2924
02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:00,440
I got to sell to like, even even
the people that think guns are 

2925
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:02,639
bad. 
Right, right. 

2926
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:04,360
That's that's a pretty tough 
sell. 

2927
02:18:04,360 --> 02:18:08,719
It's like, you're, what, 51? 
52 years old, Yeah, yeah, 5353. 

2928
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:11,559
53 years on the planet, no real 
problems. 

2929
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:12,680
With guns. 
Guns that Never. 

2930
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:15,200
Left his house, tinkering on 
stuff. 

2931
02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:18,760
Has some pretty. 
Interesting ideas that he wants 

2932
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:19,840
to. 
Share with people you don't. 

2933
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:21,520
Have to agree with him or not 
and like whatever. 

2934
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:24,280
Not not causing any problems. 
He's just your neighbor. 

2935
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:26,520
Right. 
And you got neighbors that that 

2936
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:27,480
like you, I think. 
Right? 

2937
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:28,760
That sounds like neighbors. 
Yep. 

2938
02:18:28,799 --> 02:18:31,120
My got neighbors that like me. 
You know my upstairs neighbor 

2939
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:32,480
he's mad cool. 
You're you're. 

2940
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:35,000
Not doing desktops down there in
your apartment like being a 

2941
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:36,200
menace to society. 
Jesus. 

2942
02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:43,760
No, you're you're looking at 
buying land in New Hampshire. 

2943
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:46,280
Like some kind of, you know, 
radical, but other than that? 

2944
02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:48,799
Don't start with that. 
How how many people in New York 

2945
02:18:48,799 --> 02:18:50,080
are thinking? 
Like, yeah, I'd like to have a 

2946
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:51,160
place somewhere. 
Up in the. 

2947
02:18:51,879 --> 02:18:53,959
Whatever's north of New York, 
they don't really know what's up

2948
02:18:53,959 --> 02:18:55,719
there. 
They never leave, but right. 

2949
02:18:55,799 --> 02:18:58,120
But they well, they've gone to 
the country once or twice on a 

2950
02:18:58,120 --> 02:18:59,320
weekend or something, right? 
Yeah. 

2951
02:18:59,639 --> 02:19:02,719
Well, my ex-wife, my ex wife's 
family used to have a place in 

2952
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:08,040
New Hampshire. 
And it's like a family vacation 

2953
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,879
place up in here, but that was 
like further north of New 

2954
02:19:10,879 --> 02:19:12,400
Hampshire. 
It was a very long drive. 

2955
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:15,400
But when I was thinking and it 
was great up there, you know, 

2956
02:19:16,799 --> 02:19:23,600
and that was one of the times we
went up there was was was damn, 

2957
02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:24,719
I lost my strength. 
I'm sorry. 

2958
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:27,360
It's it's it's relative freedom 
up there in New Hampshire it's 

2959
02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:29,320
relative it's relative freedom. 
It's not Texas. 

2960
02:19:29,320 --> 02:19:31,000
Let's just be real. 
But it's not Texas. 

2961
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:31,959
Well, no. 
No place is. 

2962
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:33,600
Texas and don't. 
Remember, I love. 

2963
02:19:33,639 --> 02:19:35,920
I like Texas, I got to tell. 
You the last, the last little 

2964
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:37,840
thing about Texas in New York, 
because there's a, there's a, 

2965
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:38,799
there's a connection there 
there's. 

2966
02:19:38,799 --> 02:19:40,240
A bridge, right? 
OK, tell me so. 

2967
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:42,400
My wife's from Brooklyn, all 
right? 

2968
02:19:42,879 --> 02:19:45,120
And she got friends from New 
York that would get married. 

2969
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:46,480
We were going to weddings and 
stuff. 

2970
02:19:46,480 --> 02:19:50,760
And I I played this game caught 
called not only but also OK, I 

2971
02:19:50,760 --> 02:19:53,360
made it up. 
It's a game I made-up with New 

2972
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:54,600
Yorkers. 
Only it's only. 

2973
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:57,720
New Yorkers, 'cause they're the 
best, yeah, so New Yorkers would

2974
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,240
come up to you and they'd go, 
hey, man. 

2975
02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:02,200
I heard you're from. 
Texas, I'd go, yeah, that's 

2976
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:04,240
true. 
And they would go, man, I heard 

2977
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:08,040
in Texas everybody's got a gun. 
And I was like, not only that, 

2978
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:12,600
but also there's a $50 a year 
household. 

2979
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:13,800
Fine if you. 
Don't own a gun. 

2980
02:20:15,160 --> 02:20:16,960
I'm like, obviously we can't 
enforce it. 

2981
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:18,440
We don't go knocking on doors or
anything. 

2982
02:20:18,440 --> 02:20:19,440
Crazy. 
I'm just saying it's on the. 

2983
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:21,160
Books, though. 
And people be like, that's cool,

2984
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:22,800
so crazy. 
And they would get so excited 

2985
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:24,200
about it. 
You know, 'cause New Yorkers are

2986
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,760
real enthusiastic and somebody 
else will come up later. 

2987
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,040
On they go, they go, hey, Kyle, 
I heard you're from Texas. 

2988
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:32,200
Yeah, that's true. 
I heard people still ride horses

2989
02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:37,120
to work in Texas. 
Not only that, but also every 

2990
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:38,920
single publicly funded. 
Building has to have a. 

2991
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:40,040
Hitching post out in front of 
it. 

2992
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:43,560
Now, mostly these things are 
ornamental at this point, and 

2993
02:20:43,560 --> 02:20:44,760
they're kind of just a thing 
they do. 

2994
02:20:44,760 --> 02:20:46,240
For show, but I'm just saying. 
It's out there. 

2995
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:47,280
It's on the books. 
You got to have it. 

2996
02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:49,000
And that's crazy. 
I don't know. 

2997
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:52,280
New Yorkers are susceptible to 
the not only, but also Texas 

2998
02:20:52,280 --> 02:20:54,920
myth. 
But I used to laugh because the 

2999
02:20:54,920 --> 02:20:59,360
things that New York holds true 
about itself are more or less 

3000
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:02,840
actually true in Texas. 
About a lot of the things yeah. 

3001
02:21:02,960 --> 02:21:05,280
So there's that and and and 
that's and that's actually a 

3002
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:08,280
kinship that's not that's not a 
rivalry there's actually there's

3003
02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:11,160
a there's an affinity there and 
and sort of a love. 

3004
02:21:11,160 --> 02:21:13,760
So I I always find that New 
Yorkers that come to Texas they 

3005
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:16,680
they fit in more than they think
they will because I I there's a 

3006
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:21,040
sense there of of of belonging. 
Well, you know, I, I I I wanted 

3007
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:22,080
to. 
I'm glad you mentioned this, 

3008
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:26,400
because I I've wanted. 
To I've been thinking about this

3009
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:28,480
for a long time. 
You know, people forget that 

3010
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:35,120
this supposed schism between 
city dwellers and country people

3011
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:38,120
is a very recent thing. 
It's in a very artificial thing.

3012
02:21:39,400 --> 02:21:41,800
I mean in, in other words, put 
it this way. 

3013
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:46,960
Remember, I grew up in New York 
City, right in in the 70s and 

3014
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:48,400
80s. 
I mean, I remember what was, 

3015
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:50,320
what decade was that Dukes of 
Hazzard. 

3016
02:21:51,080 --> 02:21:54,920
Like, There was certain, like, 
like all of us, of all colors 

3017
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:57,440
used to get in front of the TV 
on Friday nights or whenever 

3018
02:21:57,440 --> 02:21:59,600
'cause we wanted to see him jump
the General Lee. 

3019
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:01,440
That's right, We didn't. 
We didn't care that there was a 

3020
02:22:01,440 --> 02:22:03,080
Confederate battle flag on the 
roof. 

3021
02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:06,160
We could not have cared less. 
We wanted to see him jump, that 

3022
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:07,840
there's a flying car and we're 
watching. 

3023
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:10,600
It's a flying dude. 
Come on, there's car chases. 

3024
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:14,480
And cops and looks like there's.
Dudes like, you know, a 

3025
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:16,600
distilling moonshine. 
Yeah, they're running liquor. 

3026
02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:18,080
Get it, get it? 
Running liquor. 

3027
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:20,120
Getting the better of the cops. 
What is? 

3028
02:22:20,120 --> 02:22:22,200
Not to and everybody. 
'S on burl, right? 

3029
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:25,000
Come on. 
And you know, there used to be a

3030
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:27,680
comedian named Jerry. 
Clower the mouth. 

3031
02:22:27,960 --> 02:22:30,280
The mouth of the South. 
He was this white cat from 

3032
02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:33,200
Liberty, Ms. He used to rock 
shows all over the country, 

3033
02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:36,320
including in cities like in in 
New York City, Madden Square 

3034
02:22:36,320 --> 02:22:38,160
Garden. 
He was immensely popular. 

3035
02:22:38,400 --> 02:22:42,200
New York City had a country and 
western music radio station when

3036
02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:44,040
I was growing up. 
It's called WHN. 

3037
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:49,560
So I grew up listening to kind 
of funk and R&B and country 

3038
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:52,280
music. 
So I know about like Mel Tillis 

3039
02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:55,200
and Merle Haggard and Emmylou 
Harris and Willie Nelson and 

3040
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:58,240
like Waylon Jennings and like 
you know, outlaw country and all

3041
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:05,800
that stuff like and and so this 
I, I, I very much resonate with 

3042
02:23:05,800 --> 02:23:09,120
with what you're saying about 
you know, there being this not 

3043
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:12,920
being as much of A chasm between
New York City and and Texans for

3044
02:23:12,920 --> 02:23:17,360
example, as people would think. 
I mean what's his name? 

3045
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:21,160
Hank Williams Junior wrote a 
song called the Country Boys. 

3046
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:24,800
Country Boys can't survive. 
And one of the lyrics is like, I

3047
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:26,400
had a good friend in New York 
City. 

3048
02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:28,880
He never called me by my name, 
just hillbilly. 

3049
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:32,440
My grandpa taught me how to live
off the land and him his taught 

3050
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:35,840
him to be a businessman. 
I he, he used to send me 

3051
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:38,480
pictures of the Broadway nights 
and I'd send him some homemade 

3052
02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:39,720
wine. 
You know. 

3053
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:44,160
And when I was like, as a kid, I
was like, I want to taste some 

3054
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:46,120
homemade wine. 
It's like, what is that? 

3055
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:48,480
You know? 
But anyway, everybody's 

3056
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:50,320
interested in the thing that 
they don't have near them. 

3057
02:23:50,320 --> 02:23:52,040
But it doesn't mean they fear it
or they hate it. 

3058
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:55,320
There's a natural American 
curiosity towards the thing that

3059
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:56,760
is not. 
That's why people who live. 

3060
02:23:56,760 --> 02:23:59,680
In the city want to. 
Have a country house, and that's

3061
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:01,920
why people who are from the 
country want to go hang out and 

3062
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:03,800
live in the city when they're 
kids. 

3063
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:07,320
I mean, how many young people 
come in and move to Los Angeles?

3064
02:24:07,320 --> 02:24:08,800
And New York, when they're young
and they're. 

3065
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:10,400
From somewhere in the middle of 
nowhere, like they're in the 

3066
02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:13,040
middle of Iowa and they grew up 
on a farm and they want to go 

3067
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:14,760
make it as it's something and 
they realize like, you know 

3068
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:16,480
what, I'm actually going to 
raise my kids back where I came 

3069
02:24:16,480 --> 02:24:17,400
from. 
I like that better. 

3070
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:18,800
And city people do the same 
thing. 

3071
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:20,800
They go, look, I know the city 
or maybe they don't. 

3072
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,480
Maybe they say, oh, I resonate 
here because my values have 

3073
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:26,600
moved, because the values that 
I, I believe are not here in the

3074
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:28,040
city anymore. 
It doesn't mean that their 

3075
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:31,120
values didn't used to be there. 
So anyway, I don't, I don't 

3076
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:32,760
think we're all that dissimilar.
I think there's a lot more 

3077
02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:34,040
connection in this country than 
there. 

3078
02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:36,040
It just takes a couple of people
talking about it. 

3079
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:38,480
That's right. 
And and I think our so-called 

3080
02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:43,400
leaders are terrified. 
Of us kind of bridging that gap 

3081
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:46,560
and just talking to each other 
and reasoning with each other, I

3082
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:49,400
think. 
I think that people like me, 

3083
02:24:49,880 --> 02:24:52,480
talking to people like you, 
talking to people like my my 

3084
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:55,440
friends from down South or from 
other red states or what have 

3085
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:58,480
you, they're terrified that 
we're going to start kind of 

3086
02:24:58,480 --> 02:25:02,320
reasoning about what's happening
to us as Americans and look at 

3087
02:25:02,320 --> 02:25:05,240
each other and be like, wait a 
minute, hang on a second, 

3088
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:10,240
Somebody doing something slick, 
somebody convinced America that 

3089
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:12,960
they're not the good guys. 
And you know what? 

3090
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:14,760
That's the thing that I. 
Want to conserve and my buddy 

3091
02:25:14,760 --> 02:25:16,560
said it the other day. 
Best, My buddy Mark Naughton was

3092
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:20,680
like, I want to preserve and 
conserve, or at least try to 

3093
02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:24,520
regain that sense that we 
thought we were a moral force 

3094
02:25:24,520 --> 02:25:27,120
for good because we were 
actually doing good. 

3095
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:29,680
We believe we are doing good. 
Even if we were misled, we were 

3096
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:32,920
still trying to do good. 
And America always saw itself as

3097
02:25:32,920 --> 02:25:35,200
an underdog. 
An underdog is inherently going 

3098
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:38,400
against something that's harder.
It's like and and even if that 

3099
02:25:38,520 --> 02:25:40,720
that thing that's hard is like 
just the tide of humanity always

3100
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:43,320
going the wrong direction. 
It's like America was trying to 

3101
02:25:43,320 --> 02:25:45,200
swim upstream. 
Always has. 

3102
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:47,320
If we got back to that, we got 
to the point where we were like 

3103
02:25:47,320 --> 02:25:49,320
we're the bad guy because we had
all the things. 

3104
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:53,920
Well, I think I I mean to be 
fair, I I think the imperial. 

3105
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,560
Project is part of that. 
I think the imperial project 

3106
02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:02,160
corrupts, will corrupt the soul 
of a country, Do you know what 

3107
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:03,840
I'm saying? 
It's like Rome started to go 

3108
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:07,880
wrong when it became an empire 
because when the imperative of 

3109
02:26:07,880 --> 02:26:10,640
empire was was to keep expanding
and then they had to, they had 

3110
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:11,800
to like. 
You know, debase their. 

3111
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:14,640
Currency and hire mercenaries 
and doing all this stuff. 

3112
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:19,160
So it's like if if we could get 
back to our logos, our secular 

3113
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:22,320
logos and our Christian logos, 
if we could, if we could 

3114
02:26:22,320 --> 02:26:29,560
dispense with the imperial 
project, I think we could start 

3115
02:26:29,560 --> 02:26:32,120
to really turn things around in 
this country. 

3116
02:26:32,320 --> 02:26:34,120
And I'm not. 
I make no warrant as to how long

3117
02:26:34,120 --> 02:26:35,520
that'll take. 
Oh, I think it'll take a long 

3118
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:36,520
time. 
Yeah, I think you're right. 

3119
02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:38,920
But that's OK. 
We just, you know you you don't 

3120
02:26:38,920 --> 02:26:39,880
get. 
Fat overnight. 

3121
02:26:39,880 --> 02:26:42,440
You don't get lean overnight. 
It takes, it's a process. 

3122
02:26:42,760 --> 02:26:46,280
And we have gotten to the point 
where this country is addicted 

3123
02:26:46,280 --> 02:26:47,800
to comfort. 
But that is to say that we are 

3124
02:26:47,800 --> 02:26:49,720
cursed with abundance. 
Yes. 

3125
02:26:49,960 --> 02:26:52,480
And so that and that's that the 
Imperial project you're talking 

3126
02:26:52,480 --> 02:26:54,440
about that that abundance. 
Comes from and then. 

3127
02:26:54,440 --> 02:26:57,560
Once you do that, once you chase
in abundance because that's what

3128
02:26:57,560 --> 02:27:00,640
you think is standard. 
Yeah, that's OK. 

3129
02:27:00,680 --> 02:27:02,600
Seven lean years. 
We can we can make that happen. 

3130
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:04,560
That's right. 
We might be in that. 

3131
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:06,080
We might be seeing that whether 
we like it or not. 

3132
02:27:06,320 --> 02:27:08,560
All right. 
I hope you will keep updating us

3133
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:11,160
about the the court thing where 
can people follow the, the best 

3134
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:12,800
place to follow the updates on 
the court case. 

3135
02:27:13,360 --> 02:27:16,320
Well, I mean I I try to do a a a
space. 

3136
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:20,320
They got to sign up for Twitter.
They got to they they they got 

3137
02:27:20,320 --> 02:27:23,640
to be on Twitter, unfortunately.
But I try to do a space. 

3138
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:26,480
Every night or so, just saying 
how things went in court this 

3139
02:27:26,480 --> 02:27:28,440
next week is not going to be 
very interesting. 

3140
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:32,160
The prosecution is going to be 
bringing the evidence, right. 

3141
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:35,600
Like all my my weapons that I 
built, you know, my weapons 

3142
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:38,400
parts on and entering them into 
evidence that's going to sting a

3143
02:27:38,480 --> 02:27:40,560
little bit. 
Well, yeah. 

3144
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:43,720
Like, see, it's stung. 
They they started doing that. 

3145
02:27:44,400 --> 02:27:47,800
Yesterday and that did sting. 
Seeing all my babies up there 

3146
02:27:47,800 --> 02:27:51,040
I'm like because you know they 
they bring the bailiff would 

3147
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:54,120
bring the exhibit over to our 
table and I'd be like that's 

3148
02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:56,840
that's alpha. 
OK that's Diana. 

3149
02:27:56,840 --> 02:27:59,720
That's the rifle I built for my 
daughter that epoch. 

3150
02:27:59,720 --> 02:28:02,760
That's the experimental polymer 
carbine I built to try to 

3151
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:05,480
because I was interested in 
certain design characteristics 

3152
02:28:05,480 --> 02:28:09,720
of polymer lowers. 
And it's like, damn, like the 

3153
02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:13,320
state's got them, you know, and 
I and I might have to sue them 

3154
02:28:13,560 --> 02:28:16,720
to get them to get them back. 
You know, that's assuming I stay

3155
02:28:16,720 --> 02:28:18,720
out of prison. 
But it is what it is. 

3156
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:21,400
You know, we are where we are 
and you know that. 

3157
02:28:21,400 --> 02:28:24,040
Put it this way, I'm, I'm 
reconciled to this fight. 

3158
02:28:24,040 --> 02:28:26,600
Whichever way this goes, 
whichever way this trial goes 

3159
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:35,000
like this, this is going to 
change things And and I'm as you

3160
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:39,600
know, I'm I'm in it to win it. 
I mean you know that the state 

3161
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:42,880
offered me a plea deal for eight
years instead of 18. 

3162
02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:48,120
I turned it down, you know, so, 
so it's like let's go. 

3163
02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:52,160
By the way, before we go. 
What was funny, in the opening, 

3164
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:57,800
in the pre trial festivities, 
the prosecution had a big 

3165
02:28:57,800 --> 02:29:00,440
problem, had big problems with a
lot of stuff. 

3166
02:29:01,320 --> 02:29:03,640
They had a problem with the fact
that I was doing so for me, I 

3167
02:29:03,640 --> 02:29:05,920
was talking about the case. 
They tried to get the judge to 

3168
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:09,320
admonish the defense. 
She slapped them down twice. 

3169
02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:15,800
They told a big hairy lie in 
open court that me and my lawyer

3170
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:21,080
got into an elevator with two 
prospective jurors and I guess, 

3171
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:26,360
I guess they forgot that the 
elevators have cameras in them. 

3172
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:30,520
So that was that was 
interesting. 

3173
02:29:31,960 --> 02:29:35,480
And you know, they even, they 
even they didn't even like the 

3174
02:29:35,480 --> 02:29:37,560
fact that I interacted with my 
family. 

3175
02:29:37,560 --> 02:29:41,200
You know, the first day this 
week, like my my parents came. 

3176
02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:44,360
My upstairs neighbor came, his 
girlfriend, their friends. 

3177
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:48,560
You know, when I was I, I was 
greeting my people in the 

3178
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:50,520
hallway. 
And we're just, you know, loving

3179
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:53,760
on each other what have you. 
And the prosecution did not like

3180
02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:56,560
that at all. 
Well, you're you're supposed to 

3181
02:29:56,880 --> 02:29:59,200
act guilty is what they want. 
I'm supposed to act guilty. 

3182
02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:00,120
That's correct. 
Yeah. 

3183
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:02,440
So again, I'm again, I'm not 
going to. 

3184
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:05,760
Exult in whatever errors they 
make, because that's bad juju. 

3185
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:10,640
But I will say that, you know, 
we we so far we have no 'cause 

3186
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:14,360
to be particularly uneasy, aside
from the fact that we're in this

3187
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:16,720
mess in the 1st place. 
Yeah, horrible fight for all, 

3188
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:18,400
for a lot of the marbles. 
Maybe not all of them. 

3189
02:30:18,400 --> 02:30:20,120
Yeah, a lot of them, yeah. 
A lot of them, yeah. 

3190
02:30:20,360 --> 02:30:22,600
Yeah, so, so, yeah, follow my, 
follow my. 

3191
02:30:22,600 --> 02:30:28,360
Twitter you know Future Radio 
cast on Twitter and yeah, that's

3192
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:29,880
it. 
Dexter. 

3193
02:30:29,880 --> 02:30:31,960
Oh, I I do have, I do have a 
give, send go. 

3194
02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:33,880
Yeah, I don't really. 
I think. 

3195
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:35,120
Hold on. 
Do I have that saved? 

3196
02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:37,040
I had it. 
I grabbed. 

3197
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:38,000
It. 
I know I did. 

3198
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:40,200
Oh, you know what? 
It's in the show notes, folks. 

3199
02:30:41,160 --> 02:30:44,320
So the link link, yeah, the link
is in the show notes and also 

3200
02:30:44,320 --> 02:30:45,960
the link for the Twitter. 
So you could find both of them 

3201
02:30:45,960 --> 02:30:46,920
there. 
And I know it's in your Twitter 

3202
02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:48,160
bio. 
People could find it there. 

3203
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:50,160
Yeah, Link 2 is in my Twitter 
bio. 

3204
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:52,520
I'm like, I know I was like, I 
wouldn't gather that. 

3205
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:53,160
I know. 
I grabbed it. 

3206
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:56,040
Yeah, Yeah. 
But I I don't. 

3207
02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:58,040
I try not to push that too hard,
because I'm not. 

3208
02:30:58,760 --> 02:31:01,080
I'm broke, but I also know that 
a lot of other people are 

3209
02:31:01,080 --> 02:31:03,520
struggling as well. 
I'm grateful to everyone. 

3210
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:06,760
I'm grateful to people who just 
pray for me or just send good 

3211
02:31:06,760 --> 02:31:12,120
vibes out for me. 
And yeah, we'll see. 

3212
02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:15,280
We'll see what happens. 
Amen. 

3213
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:17,160
Yes, Sir. 
All right, brother. 

3214
02:31:17,440 --> 02:31:19,960
We'll talk again real soon. 
And thanks for spending. 

3215
02:31:19,960 --> 02:31:22,600
The next the last two and a. 
Half hours with me kind of kind 

3216
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:24,800
of cutting it up on all the 
topics that people can see. 

3217
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:26,040
You get a good sense of what it 
is. 

3218
02:31:26,040 --> 02:31:29,000
Make sure you guys are following
Dexter and we will see you again

3219
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:33,360
on Monday morning for the next 
non Saturday night special 

3220
02:31:33,360 --> 02:31:34,560
version. 
This has been a pretty special 

3221
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:36,800
offering. 
And Dex, thanks for thanks for 

3222
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:38,600
being on it Bud. 
Thanks, brother. 

3223
02:31:39,880 --> 02:31:41,640
All right, ladies and gentlemen,
we're going to wrap it all up. 

3224
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,680
I hope you. 
Guys have a wonderful Sunday. 

3225
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:45,160
I will see you again Monday 
morning. 

3226
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:48,640
First thing, no ads, no, no 
commercialization of this story.

3227
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:50,320
It's just an important story for
you guys to hear. 

3228
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:52,600
And we'll see you again. 
God bless. 

3229
02:31:52,600 --> 02:31:55,160
See you soon. 
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3230
02:31:55,160 --> 02:31:57,720
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3231
02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:00,440
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3232
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:04,720
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