Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an
American patriot. Prepare to embrace the
uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for
comforting lies. Here is civil liberties
enthusiasm, Second Amendment defender and recovering FBI
agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and
welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show for an evening edition.
We don't normally do this kind of thing on a Saturday night,
but here we are with dim the Lights a little bit and we're
doing a Saturday night special. Little play on words there for
you guys. It is Saturday, April the 6th,
2024 and we're rolling live right now on rumble.com/kyle
Serif and if you guys want to join us, if you are hanging out
over on X and if you saw it over here on Twitter, you want to
say, hey, I want to jump into the chat with all these crazies
they're already talking, you might as well get over here,
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a like a follow while you are there, OK?
If you guys are familiar with this program, what you know is
we always talk about that. I'm a constitutional extremist,
and it says that I'm a second amended Second Amendment
defender. You may not know that I actually
got tossed out of the FBI over Second Amendment affairs.
We're going to probably talk about that just a little bit.
But I really want to bring on and highlight a story of a
gentleman that I've come to know through playing around on
Twitter, because that's where I spent a bunch of time like I
probably shouldn't. And his name is Dexter Taylor.
He's been on a couple of major programs, but not nearly enough.
His story is the story of all of us and he's made me change my
mind about one thing in particular that we should just
ignore the ceded territories in America.
And those ceded territories are captured places like New York
and California. And for all of you who live
north of Virginia in on the Eastern seaboard that that look
like you're losing your Second Amendment rights and you sort of
just said it's over. This man is in the fight for it
right now. His court case is relevant to
all of us and I want to make sure that we bring him on and
have that chat. So without any further ado,
without any sponsorship reads or anything else, we're going to
just start talking to my new friend Dexter Taylor.
There he is. How you doing, Sir?
Good evening. How's?
It going, brother. Good to see you.
It's going well. OK, so we should probably put
this up front. It is possible because I don't
censor anybody. Men who are facing persecution
by the by the government sometimes have saltier language
than men who are not. And I've I've had, I had one of
the guys from the Whitmer case come in here and he got framed
up pretty good by the the federal government and and he
had some some aggressive language.
So if it gets aggressive, we're going to let people know right
up front that if you got little kids in the room, it's bedtime.
Put them to bed. That's what needs to happen
because some men are going to be talking about some things that
are difficult and uncomfortable. But without any further ado,
let's get into your story. But I want to start from the
very beginning. If you don't mind, I'd like to
give people a lens of where you're coming from and who you
are as a person. We tell people where you grew
up. Sure.
I grew up in New York.
I was born in Queens, NY, and grew up there.
Hollis, Queens and lived in New York all my life except for
seven years where I lived in Baltimore.
And you know, I went there, went down there to go to school, and
then I dropped out and bounced around for a little while trying
to get myself together. And then I got into computers.
I taught myself C++ and got my first job in the industry in
1994, moved back to New York to work for a start up.
And I've been working in the software industry ever since.
And that's the right code every day.
So. And you still write code every
day. That's that's your bread and
butter. Yes, Sir.
And. Although I'm not working now.
Yeah, understood. I I think we're going to get
there and you live in New York forever.
You are you a guy that gets into trouble in New York?
Do you go out there looking for, looking for fights, looking for,
for altercations on the street? What kind of guy are you?
I keep my black ass home. I.
Told you guys I was going to get spicy right away.
Listen, ain't like nothing good happens outside the club. 1:00
AM you know what I'm saying? I no.
So I'm usually. I'm home in my studio, you know,
You see, I'm sitting in the control room of the switching
yard. This is the third recording
studio I built. And so I'm usually, you know,
messing out of the studio or working on code or something
like that. In fact, I have a We'll get to
that later. But I have a software software
demo I want to want to show for you.
I'm up for it. But yeah, yeah, no, Never.
Any trouble with the law. Squeaky clean.
Criminal record. I have one arrest for
trespassing that happened in Baltimore something like 30
years ago. Other than that squeaky clean,
you know, no, Like police coming to my house, Nothing like that.
And as you know, I'm a conservative, so I'm not out
here, you know, talking me crazy stuff.
You know you're already on the radar for that.
Well, they're watching. I mean, they we'll get to that.
But yeah, they're watching my social media and I'm delighted
that they are. Oh, oh, for sure.
You know, hopefully we red pill some of these clowns that are
out there looking at it. And by I just mean I want them
to see the truth. I'm not asking anybody to change
a political party. The the reason I bring that up
and it's interesting that you mentioned you got one arrest for
a trespassing. I I also have 11 little blemish
in my record and I still managed to have a top secret clearance
work for the FBI. There's something funny about
having a conversation with somebody knowing what it's like
to spend a night in jail, knowing what it's like to be on
the other side of things to to find yourself in trouble, having
to face the wall and put your hands through the bars and all
that kind of thing, which I got to do when I was in the
military. It was stupid, but it happens
and there's a there's a certain amount of empathy that you
develop for for knowing that there's another human being
there with a whole story that they don't know anything about,
that you don't know anything about when you're on the on the
cuffing side of it. So I always thought that was.
I thought that was actually an important thing that a lot of
people don't have that experience in law enforcement.
That's right in in any case but that but but a trespassing
charge 30 years ago was a is negligible.
That's a nothing. You're not a troublemaker,
you're not a man, and and yet you find yourself looking down
the barrel of a pretty significant prison sentence if
things go sideways. If the state of New York gets
the way that they are arguing right now, do you want to lay
out the specifics of your case now that we kind of just kind of
briefly touched who you are? Sure.
So, you know, aside from being an online conservative, you
know, some years ago I got disgusted with the left and
started something called Foundationism.
And we can talk about that later.
I make stuff. Like, I love making stuff.
I love building stuff. I make my own furniture.
I have a workshop in my basement.
I taught myself how to Weld. I learned carpentry from my old
man. I saw him when we bought our
first house. It was a handyman special and a
gut and renovate that house from the inside out, room by room.
So I've always loved making stuff.
And when I was a kid, you know, I always loved weapons.
You know, tanks, planes, rifles, this, that I just love.
Loved it all like any red blooded American kid.
A few years ago I got into gunsmithing.
I found out that there were people who were buying legal
parts, You know what what they called 80% receivers, machining
them to completion, adding parts and coming up with finished
weapons. And I was hooked.
So I went and I started buying legal parts online under my own
name, shipped to my house and I started building weapons.
I started out with Glock style pistols and then I built 8 very
sweet AR style rifles and at the time I thought, this is great,
This is going to be my second career.
You know, I'm getting kind of old in this business, but the
two A people I'd come across were really cool people.
And there was this kind of whole DIY atmosphere to the two a
community that I really liked, you know?
And you and I talked before about people like Bill Guiseley,
who I really looked up to, who got his first contract building
triggers for the US Army sharpshooting team.
Like, I love that guy, Kevin. And let's just dig into Bill.
Let's just talk Bill Guiseley for one second because his
background is not like he's not like a guy that grew up doing
firearms. He was a mechanical engineer and
and he approached it from a different way in the same way
that you have that software background and and sort of that
problem solving through code which is very logic based.
Bill Guiseley came about it and was like hey I know material
science, why are you guys using the materials you use why aren't
you using these processes. And so we came at it from a
different way. I I just the the explosion of
interest in as you said the sort of DADIY atmosphere but also
sort of that that injection of new backgrounds and looking at
existing problems and saying why do we assume that it has to be a
Remington 700 platform. Why can't we just start from
scratch and build something with a vault?
You know, if we're going to manually feed a gun, then why
don't we do it the way that we might do from scratch?
So this attitude is, is very new.
It's in my lifetime. It's in your lifetime that
people have started doing this. It's very cool.
So anyway, that I think that is, that's something that's
happening in the gun world right now and guys like you are and
Bill Guiseley is maybe further back down the line, but we're
getting there where people are just bringing novel ideas and
backgrounds to the gun world. Oh yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah. There's that guy up in New
Hampshire, Kevin, I want to say Brittingham from Cue Firearms.
You. Got a contract with Special
Forces. Yeah.
I'm like, this is the coolest thing I've ever done in my life.
I'm making, you know, I'm making American firearms in the
traditional way, which is in an American home.
So anyway, I got into doing this stuff all the time I was doing
it. I never brandished.
I never took pictures. I never took videos.
I never talked about it online. I never, you know, 'cause I
didn't. That wasn't the kind of energy I
was interested in it. I kept it quiet and private and
while I was doing it and I was I was doing my prep work, I I
applied for membership in my local gun range.
Passed the criminal background check at my local gun range,
Westside Rifle and Pistol in Manhattan.
Took their beginning training course.
Took their training course for the for the Utah concealed carry
permit. Got my fingerprinting, done all
that stuff. Subscribe to a service called
Rocket FFL to learn about the different kinds of FFLS and what
I would need to apply for what the process would be in order to
do this thing legitimately for money.
You know, and and I have all these plans.
I was going to buy a piece of land in Southern New Hampshire
and set up a gun lab there and and develop some of these
products and systems that I've talked with you about before and
we can talk about that tonight if you want.
And then in April of 2022, I got raided by a joint NYPDATF task
force. Basically SWAT team broke my
door down, arrested me, hauled me off to Rikers Island where I
spent a week. My bail was almost 1/4 of
$1,000,000. My family had to put their house
up to Get Me Out, and the state of New York has charged me with
several counts of felony weapons possession.
And if they get their way, I'm looking at 18 years in prison.
Let's talk about the the raid, for starters, because I want to.
I don't want to walk past that. I think that's a that's a real
thing that exists in the fear in the hearts of some people.
And and it should be, it should be something that people can
internalize. Where were you when when the
knock happened? There was no knock.
Perfect. Where were you when there was
no? There was a no knock warrant.
Yeah, yeah. You know about those?
Yeah, I was. I was in bed.
I had gone to sleep the night before listening to an audio
book. And I woke up hearing voices
that were not the audio book. Violence of action, you know,
police search warrant for my. And the first thing I said was,
hello, hello, Hello. My name is Dexter Taylor.
I live here. Who are you guys looking for?
Because I thought they had the wrong house.
Right. It it never occurred to me that
the state of New York would be like, we have to get this guy.
Do you know what I'm saying? Just so anyway, you know, played
it cool, played it, you know, got arrested like a
professional. No harsh words or anything like
that, you know? Hold on like a professional.
You. You you were a gentleman.
You weren't getting arrested like a professional.
Professionals get arrested all the time.
We got to be specific. That's true.
I've seen people who get arrested like professionals.
They're like, hey man, what's up?
Hey, I saw you. Before, yeah.
You don't want to be that guy. You don't want to be arrested
like a professional. You want to be arrested like a
gentleman and and like a gentleman.
Yeah, OK. And so you went peacefully and.
And you and you didn't didn't resist anything.
No problems with that. Had a had a nice conversation
with the officers in the car on the way to the 83rd or the 84th
or whatever that was. Isn't that weird?
Yeah, right. It's one of the guys, I think
his cousin. His cousin does Python
programming. So it's like we talked about
they're. Like, oh, you're in the code.
Like cool. Like why are we at your house?
Like how did that happen? And, and what's also worth
knowing for people who haven't experienced this and you, you're
going to have a lot more insight than most.
But a lot of times, the people that are doing the search
warrant or doing an arrest warrant have very little to do
with the case. They got a quick brief.
This guy's got a bunch of guns. We're going after the Brooklyn
arsenal. This is what's happening next.
We're kicking the door. He's super dangerous.
And then they go, oh, he's actually like a really nice guy.
And he sounds like a computer program.
He's got some pretty cool stuff in that house and looks like
he's doing some recording. That's weird.
And then they go back to their jobs and they never think about
it again. Never think of exactly.
And your life, meanwhile, is in wreckage.
IS in wreckage. That's right.
The yeah, it's like one of the funny, funny thing.
I just thought it was one of the one of the cops at the precinct.
You know when I was in the holding cell and every now and
then someone would come back and let me go to the bathroom,
whatever and get a drink of water.
The guy forget his, I forget his name.
But he said we went and it's like we had some back and forth.
And he said, well, everyone says you're a nice guy, so I'm going
to try to figure out what's what's going on.
Do you know what I'm saying? There's always one guy that
wants to white knight the situation, right?
And he's like, we did get the wrong guy.
Listen, listen, yeah, there should have known that.
But yeah, so, yeah, felony weapons possession.
Hang on a second. I'm just pouring some more beer.
This is the. Right.
Move Right Now, I almost poured myself a beer.
But if I drank a beer with you, I'd be going to sleep in the
middle of this, And I don't want to do that.
I want to stay sharp. So I got water.
Let let's talk about how it came to be that a man who ordered
things off the Internet legally in his own name was suddenly on
the radar of the NYPD, who had no otherwise probable cause to
believe that something was going on in a place that you're not
advertising these weapons. Let's talk about the specifics
of how that goes down. Sure.
So ATF has been going around the country to various parts
manufacturers and more or less demanding customer lists.
And some of those manufacturers, some of those online retailers
complied. And then ATF would take that
list of people and go around to local police departments and
say, get this guy, get this guy, get this guy.
And of course, it depends on which jurisdiction because, for
example, if I lived in Texas, this wouldn't have been a
problem. I mean, in fact, if I lived in
Texas, I probably would have been doing side work, like
helping the sheriff's deputies maintain their hunting weapons.
Or, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, they would
have probably had come to some of my barbecues or whatever.
Do you know what I'm saying? But like, just being New York,
that's, that's how it is. So yeah, that that's how it
happened. NYPD, as a matter of fact, has a
dedicated unit to liaise with ATF for just that purpose.
Right. So when they have like an ATF,
they call it, I think they actually call it Ghost Gun Unit.
Oh, perfect. So yeah.
Now those are the ones that that can shoot the 30 caliber
magazine clips. Don't start.
Don't start with. It it's so bad, how is it the
people that know the least about the thing that we love and like
and get excited about are the ones that are the most
interested in telling you how dangerous it is?
I saw that. I think we also that video of
the ATF guy like trying to field strip a Glock like literally the
the, the possibly the simplest pistol that you could possibly
field strip. That's it.
Like he couldn't do it. Did you see the the grand thumb
answer to that? No, I didn't.
So you know who Grand Thumb is, right?
He's a gun tuber. If you guys don't know who he
is, they call him a, you know, flannel daddy.
And so he's a former Air Force guy and he has this gun channel.
It's a big channel. They do a lot of fun stuff.
They've got a good sense of humor.
It's very similar to the kind of sense of humor of the guys that
I worked with when I was in the military.
And so he lines up maybe 12 or 13 Glock pattern.
Firearm. He did see that and he like
field strip. Yeah.
And he was like, let's see if how many I can do before the
ATF, like head of weapons. So he goes through them and he's
like field strip, strip, strip, strip, strip.
And he's just dropping them because he doesn't give a shit
because he's got probably all the money in the world and all
the guns in the world too. So he's dropping all these
things that you and I would not be dropping.
And when he gets finished with doing it, he's like, it's like
12 of them. I'm out of clocks, get fucked
ATF and he's just so mad. But it's the same way that I
felt in my heart too watching this guy.
I'm like, who is this scumbag that is, that is, that is, you
know, in charge of our weapon program.
What should, like, get back to doing tax stamps, dude, How
about you stamp out all the tax stamps and make sure that people
get their suppressors they paid their own money for and they're
willing to give the government $200 just for the right to
possess their own property? I get real passionate about this
stuff. I get like people don't want to
see me offline. I I get hated.
I hate capital. I I let the ATF own me a little
bit with the hatred that I have for them.
Like I gave them the right to be to make me angry and it and I
don't like to be that way. And I'm angry for your case too.
So they've got a ghost gun unit and they've liaised with these
guys. And even though there is no good
reason why the NYPD specifically would be able to know anything
about it because of the federal overlap.
Correct. We are now dealing with the NYPD
is now in a place where they are lawfully.
Was. Was ATF wasn't even on your
search warrant, were they? I don't know if they were on.
I don't think they were on the search warrant you.
Didn't see anybody with like ATF police written on their chest
that. Oh, on the day, on the Day of
the Red, they were there, I saw two people with ATF
windbreakers, and they've vanished immediately after.
Like I never we never saw ATF against.
Do you know why they had to be there?
I don't know. Because the because they were
there, they were the probable cause to get in, I'm sure of it,
right. So the ATF was the one that
generated that. So they want to make sure that
they're there. And now that the the the the
task force that's with them is part of that, that search.
Now they're in a position legally to be able to see things
that are against state law even though they're not federal.
But but the original issue was whether or not like, I don't
know, you were making machine guns or something like whatever
ATF, you know, jurisdiction is. So people need to understand how
how egregious this is. This is not like, oh, these guys
got together and they're trying to do this task force because
they're interested in, in, you know, looking for bad guns,
Something like 50% or 57%. I think Gun Owners of America
put this out today on Twitter. 57% of the investigations that
the ATF is involved in are people who have sold less than
five guns. That's what they're calling
illegal gun dealers, you know, And that's how you get wrapped
up and stuff like this, because they're justifying a paycheck
instead of doing their damn job and looking for, you know, drug
dealership, whatever. Right.
And of course, the thing about me is I wasn't even selling
guns. It's like I didn't.
And they know I wasn't because they seized my phone, cloned my
phone, never returned it. They seized my computers.
They subpoenaed my e-mail records, Right.
So they know for a fact that at one, I was not here talking to
any crazy shit. And two, I wasn't transferring
weapons, hinting at transferring weapons, offering gunsmithing
services, hinting at gunsmith like.
There's no money involved. This is literally a passion
project, a hobbyist thing that Americans have done for hundreds
of years. Correct, correct.
And I was again, I was trying to develop legit products and and
systems you know we we've talked about cyclic energy flow.
Yeah, let's go into that, blow some people's minds a little
bit. Let's talk about because because
this is what This is why it's worth knowing that when people
who come from different backgrounds look at things, they
see different, they see the problem differently.
And the problem is always the same.
You have a round, the round goes in the chamber, it goes down
the, you know, barrel. There's some gas that's
exploded. We got to do something with the
gas. We got to do something with the
harmonics on the metal. So all these things, they look
different to different people. To you, what did it look like?
It looked like a circuit, you know, because I've always been a
circuits guy. You know, I used to, I used to
haunt RadioShack when I was a kid, you know, and messed on
with electronics and what have you and.
And so it's it, you know, after I started doing, especially
after I started building AR rifles and I started looking at
people online who were talking about the problems they'd have,
You know, I I realized that, oh, you don't just, you don't just
build an AR and expect it to be operable.
It has to be tuned. That's to be properly tuned and
understanding the way that the way that, you know, you touch
off that round and then the hot gas pushes the barrel out the
muzzle, but then some of the gas is redirected in order to kick
the bolt back and literally operate the weapon.
It's like, oh, there's a whole all that.
That whole dance has to happen correctly and a lot of things
can go wrong. You know you can get, you can
get failure to feed, you can get bolt bounce, you can get this
that. Too much gas, not enough gas.
Gas. The over gassed, under gas.
You know how How's your how's your brass ejecting from the
weapon? What's the angle?
Where is it going? And and people just just while
you're saying that people who want to tune like those Glock
handguns you made those those polymer 80s, cause I've done
this. You'll set up a camera behind
you and you'll watch the the angle of the brass and if it's
consistent, you know it's feeding properly.
And if you're having problems and it's all over the place you
go, well, maybe I've got too much spring or not enough
spring. Maybe I got a hot enough bullet
or not a hot enough load. Like there's all these games
playing. And I'll tell you my first
failure that I ever had with an AR which I bought in in a gun
show in Kansas. It wasn't seated.
The gas block wasn't seated, so it walked and at some point I
had a bolt action AR and I was going like, that's not really
what I wanted out of this. I didn't know anything about the
gun, though. And if you don't know, you're
like, why? Why is this not working?
The Gremlins aren't doing their job in there.
And then you realize, aha, I got to seat the gas block right
where it needs to be. The gas block has to be the
right size, not too big, not too small, all this kind of stuff.
That's right. Well, it's funny you say that
because I remember, I think it's been a long time.
But I think the barrels that I got had had a little nub on the
on the opposite side of the journal bearing so that you
could, you could type in the grub screw and it would like it
was more likely that it wouldn't walk because there was a little
recess to take the screw so that it would.
Right. It would seat properly anyway.
So yeah, I was like, oh, this is a circuit, right?
And and the different components in the weapon are are can be
likened to circuit components. So the barrel is actually a wire
because it's a mass flow circuit right now as opposed to the
circuit that has these lights on for example, which is you're
moving electrons around around a path, you're moving mass around
a path and so the barrel in that sense is a wire, right.
And then the you you could look at the, the, the, the hole in
your in your the whole leading up to your gas block.
That's a resistor because because that's constricting your
flow. Your gas tube is another wire,
right? The bolt carrier group is a
resistor because in physics that's what masses do.
They resist movement, right? The law.
They resist acceleration of the law of inertia.
And your buffer weight is also a resistor, and your buffer spring
is a capacitor, right? And so I started thinking, well,
what if you could apply electrical engineering
principles to this thing? And if you could kind of build a
universal receiver and fire off a few 100 or a few thousand
rounds different loads and what have you.
Then if you know a few basics up front.
If you know your your your your projectile mass and maybe your
powder type and maybe your powder weight, your grain weight
of your powder charge, then you should be able to plug in
everything else right? Like the length of your gas
system and sudden you know your dwell time, whatever and and and
the mass of your well. You should be able to plug in
some numbers and come up with a weapon that's roughly in or come
up with the masses and weights right?
That would give you a weapon that is roughly in tune.
And now I. Will say I don't think.
I invented this. I think that the big
manufacturers have done this. They probably have.
Right. It's, it's proprietary.
You know it's it's internal, right?
It's not. Open.
Source to write some software and open source.
Yeah, well. And The thing is, this, like
this already exists for Ballistics.
People can already take an existing rifle with an existing
barrel length. You plug in the length of the
barrel, you get a chronograph of your average speed.
If you know what your speed is, you know what your projectile
is. You can find out how far that
bolt's going to go, if you have the right coefficients of drag.
And so on. So once there are programs on
the outside of the gun, but if you're building your own weapon
system and you personally want to tune it because you're a
hobbyist, you're looking for bringing that Ballistics
principles and say, hey, what's the algorithmic sort of thing
where I just move a couple of variables around and get this
gun into tune. Which is a thing that would be
interesting to a hobby gun maker who's out there making one offs
and saying, I want to do this interesting thing, I want to
make a monolithic receiver or I want to make something that has
a modular barrel swap. I don't know.
All these kind of fun things. Exactly so you could so instead
of these hobbyists happen to be like, oh I bought this bulk
carrier group but that's too heavy.
I got to buy a different one or have to mess around with with my
my buffer weights and my springs and their do trial and error.
I just thought it would be a lot more fun for hobbyists if they
could have a piece of software that said OK this is my barrel
link, this is my valve whatever. And I'm using this powder, and
this is my grain weight, and this is my grain weight of
propellant, Grain weight of projectile.
OK, you need to use roughly these weights, you know.
For your buffer. Or you may need to screw around
with upping your spring tension. So yeah, simple thing.
Wherever the easiest and cheapest way to tinker with it,
you might want to play that. That's exactly right.
You know, so I saw I I was developing that and.
Well, thank God. Thank God New York stopped you
from that. Because, God forbid, I mean,
right, The thing I love is that you?
Have a horror. You got a good sense of humor
about how stupid all this is. Horror and moral terror.
Let's let's zoom back out again for a minute, if you will.
What's going on with New York and the fear of guns?
Why is it like that? Well, here's the thing.
I think, I don't think New York. I don't think there's a broad
based fear of guns in the New York population.
I mean, I think there's the fear of people of being brutalized or
terrorized by by wicked people with guns.
But I don't think most ordinary kind of working class New
Yorkers and working class New Yorkers definitely outnumber the
elites, right? I don't think there's some broad
fear of guns among them. I think that New York has been,
as you say, captured by progressives.
And what do we know about progressives?
Well, we know that they believe in the perfectibility of human
society through administrative means, right?
So if that's what you believe in and that's your program, we are
going to perfect human society. We using the instrument of the
administrative state. You can't have people defending
themselves. Like, no.
What are you? What are you talking about?
Right, you need. For that matter, for that
matter, you can't have like tight knit families and tight
close knit communities and all these and and these old
loyalties and the faith of your father's and all these
traditions. You can't have all that because
we have this program and you have to get with the program, Do
you know what I'm saying? Like, like we're trying to
perfect society here and you're in the way.
So you got to go and whatever you hold dear, that's got to go.
And if you have a constitution that says you have a right to do
this because you're a human being and and that right, you
know, you have that natural right that adheres to you and we
can't interfere with that. Well, that's got to go.
That's self, yeah. self-reliance is not part of their program.
They probably don't like gardens on the roof either, I'm
guessing. Probably not.
No, we got to regulate that too. Before we got going today, one
of the things that I I laughed about is that I don't do
Saturday night shows in general. So we've got folks that are
joining us for the first time on a Saturday night.
And I said it's a Saturday night special, which has a kind of a
double entendre. It's kind of a double meeting.
You want to kind of tell people what that is and then maybe
we'll unpack that a bit. There's some fun about that.
Well, this was, but back in the 70s, I remember when they talked
about Saturday night specials and of course in the news they
talk a Saturday night special is a revolver.
It's a low cost revolver essentially, right.
I think it's relatively shorter intermediate length barrel
revolver. And in the 70s when we started
hearing about this, it was in the context of robberies.
People are doing all these robberies with these Saturday
night specials and this is a problem.
But it turns out, and and I can, I think I learned, I might have
learned this from you is that it was really about this a wave of
kind of affordable personal firearms, you know, that that
became available, right, that people could buy to defend
themselves. And of course wicked people got
their hands on them and use them to attack the decent.
But there was nothing, in retrospect, there was nothing
particularly wicked about the Saturday night special.
It was just that that was what our betters in in the media
decided. We needed to hear about that
kind of weapon like, oh you know, be afraid of these
weapons. Well and and the legacy of the
of the Saturday night special these inexpensive usually
imported semi low quality but functional handguns was that
black people were using them to do crimes.
This is where it really came down to it and this is the this
is one of many many many instances of race tinged gun
control which we didn't necessarily we don't necessarily
have to dwell on it too much but somebody I I pushed pushed
something out there the other day on Twitter and I just said
gun control is racist changed my mind and and everybody goes well
no anybody that knows the history of gun control and
weapons control in general knows that it goes back pre US
constitution. There are parts and codes that
existed all the way back into the 1600s on this continent that
we're trying to restrict black people from having knives.
That's the earliest one that I'm aware of was in New Orleans and
it was about blades because that's what people carried.
And and it was about how do we make sure that we handle this
problem. And then some of our major gun
control issues, and particularly the Gun Control Act of of 1968
was specifically right after race riots that started
happening. And they went, well, we're going
to use this fear that we've got right there this moment, and
we're going to get some control. And I don't think it has to do
with whether they were scared of black people or even racism, but
they certainly drummed it up and they use that as kind of the
specter of it. And Saturday night specials were
primarily what were outlawed during that time.
And and the story was, is that if you listen to people that are
pro gun like me, it's like, well, that's what people who
don't have a lot of money would get to defend their home.
Because if you don't have a lot of money, but you got 50 bucks
and you can buy yourself a $50 revolver, you show me anybody
that wants to run through the door when there's a $50 revolver
on the other side of it, I'm going to show you a liar.
It's like people say, what's the best caliber?
It's like whatever caliber you have that you can point at.
Somebody caring which, yeah, when, when the trouble jumps
off. Right.
I knew a guy that would run around with a 22 Derringer.
It's like, do you want to you want to screw with that guy?
He's got a 22 derringer. He'll shoot you and it'll still
suck. Nobody wants that.
So it's very interesting. Knock down power is a myth.
It's like, don't get shot with this 22.
Yeah, just don't get shot. Most people are not going to try
to take that risk. If it looks like you're serious
about pulling a trigger then you know that's that's the whole
story about the sound of the the 12 gauge shotgun.
It's not that people think they're going to get hit with a
shotgun is that they don't get hit with anything and they can
hear the shotgun it's just loud in any case.
But the the the just the kind of the amuse me like you said don't
get mystical on me is what you sent me this text.
But the the idea that we're doing this Saturday night
special, we're talking about this, there is this weird fear
and I always wondered whether it was race based, whether it's
just because people are in close proximity in New York, is that
some of it or if it really is that progressive small number of
people steering the the ship and and just running off liberty.
I think it's the small number of people steering the ship.
I really do. And you know, I I should add
that you know, there are there are right wing progressives as
well. You know let's talk about part
of the well, that's part of the problem, right.
It's like you're. I don't know if you're familiar
with Sonny Johnson. You might be.
I think you were in one or two of her spaces maybe.
But Sonny Johnson is a black conservative and she's she's one
of the real ones. You know, I always say that I,
I, I probably don't have, I don't have a bigger profile
because I don't talk like Larry Elder or Candace Owens or Jason
Whitlock. Right.
What? What is their style that caught
on to people, do you think, looking from the outside and
diagnosing that? Oh, oh, talking shit about black
people. That's their.
That's their style. Okay I I did tell.
I did tell Larry Elder when I saw him at Freedom Fest in
Memphis, that I didn't think it was a good idea to hang out with
him. I didn't want him around me
because having recently been thrown out of the FBI, I thought
being seen with the black face of white supremacy was not a
good look for me. And he did laugh about it.
He's got a good sense of humor so but but also they're like
everybody was there kind of kissing his ass and because he's
he's kind of a big name in the area and and like I'm like I
don't know he's just a dude who's got two different colored
shoes on. I don't know if that's a thing
that he does. It was amusing to me.
I just wanted to say if I see if I catch him off guard, he
laughed. To his credit, he laughed about
that. So.
Yeah, I mean, I look, you know, the the one of the problems with
look, if you've been in my spaces or heard my content, you
know that I what I'm always saying is that, and I've been
saying this for a long, long time, is that black Americans
are actually staunchly conservative.
That's just a fact. I was telling people this.
I'm getting into arguments about it.
Back when I was still on the left.
I was saying this because people were trying to come up with all
these reasons why. Well, it's like why why aren't,
why don't more black, Why aren't there more black Republicans?
And I'm like, well, you know, your attitude is one of sneering
contempt. That's why like it's it's not
attractive. What what do you mean you know
you you want to come at me and you want to you want to you you
want your pitch to be a noun A verb and plantation.
Well I'm sorry that's yeah. That's no that that's not a that
that's a terrible pitch. That's a terrible.
Pitch That's selling a negative. That's not selling an
opportunity. It's not just that.
I mean selling a negative you can sell.
I'm like, I'm a problem solver, so you could actually sell me a
negative and I'll be like, oh, a problem, sure, let's solve it.
But the problem is like, I'd I'm very suspicious of people when
people seem to be trying to get me to switch off my critical
thinking and try. And when you started the
conversation by trying to shock me with this specter of chattel
slavery, like, right away my bullshit detector goes into
OverDrive. I'm like, why are you trying to
shock me with this word? You know, in other words, make
your point and move on. You know what I'm saying?
So it's like this, a plantation, plantation, plantation.
Like that could be a starting point, but that shouldn't be the
ending point, that shouldn't be the mic drop.
It shouldn't even be a starting point because the fact that.
There's some simple minds out there.
Look, look, look, it's like make your case, make a conservative
case. That's it.
And as far as I'm as far as I'm concerned in in New York City
for example, there are plenty of people, Smithsonian black people
specifically, who are property owners, who own brownstones, who
own whatever. We have businesses, right?
And they're intra, they're they're ready to hear a message
about smaller government. The problem is that a lot of
conservatives, when they, when they bother to come talk to us,
they never talk about that. They want to talk about crime
and welfare. Well, listen, we know about
crime and most of us actually have serious problems with the
welfare system. You know, I remember my parents
and all their friends when when I'd hear them talking politics
when I was a kid, they'd be complaining about the welfare
system. They'd be complaining about the
fact that, well, hang on a second.
How come I've got to, you know, drag my ass out of the house
every morning? I got to walk past people who
are waiting to get a check and they're having all these babies
that they can't afford to raise themselves.
So we have to raise them. What's up with that?
OK. But some that there's a segment
of conservative America that doesn't understand that they
they somehow they're just unwilling to give their fellow
citizens the grace of assuming that they're human beings
capable of reason and so and and and that's the problem.
So that's one problem. Well, the other problem is what
you just said there is that they fundamentally are looking and
saying that urban people living in, you know, people living in
urban areas that are black are not like me.
That's what they're that's the thought.
They're like, well, they're different than me.
It's like why? It's never been my.
Experience, but it's weird. You can say they're different
people, but I mean, they have the same kind of interest.
It's like if you own property, you're trying to protect what
you have from the from the overreaching state.
You know you want a good life for your children, what have
you. So progressives have captured
New York. Conservatives have decided that
New York and cities like it are not worth saving because,
because very many conservatives, I'm sorry to say, don't know how
to do math. They are numerically illiterate.
They can't do basic. They can't look at an election,
turn out graph and do basic calculations.
Well I think you're, I think you're assuming that they're
looking at that. I think you're assuming they
look at that graph. Guys like me who look and go, I
can't ever live in the state of New York ever because all the
things I got AI got a closet full of felonies over there.
I'm not doing that right. And and you know I I basically
move based on where I can keep the things that I already own.
But but I've never looked at them.
I've never looked at an election graph and thought wouldn't it be
worth trying to flip that sucker because there's only a small
fraction of people that are showing up for each election.
And I've never done that. I've never done it.
It's never even occurred to me And that's why I've enjoyed
talking to you because some of the things you've said is why do
you consider it seated territory.
And I was like, I don't know, it's just doesn't seem like we
can win because the because they keep losing but maybe change.
Well, yeah it's, it's that's exactly right.
It's like look if you if you look at the turn out graph and
you know in in very many quote UN quote blue cities, right.
What you find is that the turn out is very low among black
people let's say. I mean I looked, I did this for
Boston and a couple other cities and it was like these turn out
numbers were like less than 50% in many cases.
So you have like the majority of black voters who are eligible to
vote, not voting, right? And then you say, well,
Democrats have a stranglehold. What stranglehold?
In other words, 90% of the 30% of black voters who do vote,
let's say with the the 40% who do, 90% of those vote for
Democrats. But but you have a whole 5060%
who are just sitting at home. Is anyone talking to them?
If not, why not? What's the matter with you?
Right. And and and so this idea that
well. We're just not going to go for
the It's not worth it to us. Really, It's not worth it.
Oh, OK, fine. And that's and that's crazy
because states like California which is solidly blue because of
the urban areas, that's why the cities Vote Blue.
A lot of them are like really bad idea people in your business
who just who vote for things and vote away their own rights as
best they can. Which is weird on on some
misplaced sort of social compassion maybe.
But but there are more Republicans and I'm I'm not a
Republican. I know you're not a Republican,
but there's more Republicans in California than any other state.
There's just also more Democrats, it turns out.
So they lose. Correct.
And also in in San Francisco. I'd be willing to bet that the
working class people in San Fran outnumber the Silicon Valley
kids. They got to.
Right. So they got to so so again the
question is why can't you talk to these people And and you know
it's it's this it's this weird kind of diabolic pride.
Like, no. Like, my approach is perfect.
And if my approach isn't working, the problem is with
someone else. Well, I mean, I like that.
I also kind of viscerally reject that right in my career.
You know, one of the things I've learned by the way I've learned
this partly, you know, sidebar like thinking about military
people and and how like military people do things and their
attitude toward information and their attitude toward
responsibility and their kind of proprietary attitude to things
they're responsible for. That was a big influence on my
career. Like I decided to look at these
people and say how can I use what they do and and their kind
of way of looking at the world to become a better software
engineer. And so one thing was, you know,
you take responsibility. Like, like this is my problem.
This is my problem, right. But what do I see from so-called
conservatives? The problem is with somebody
else. It's not my problem.
It's like my bad outreach. No, that's someone else's
problem. No, they're brainwashed over
there. That's their that's that's the
problem that they're not capable of reason because my my way of
reasoning is so, you know, recondite that they can't
possibly. It's like, no, like your
outreach sucks, dude. It's just it's terrible.
And I mean it's manifestly here, but look, didn't didn't a bunch
of conservatives so-called PayPal conservatives, Didn't a
bunch of them get up on their hind legs when Trump got a mug
shot, when when he went to Georgia to get his mug shot
taken and they were like, oh, he's got a mug shot.
Black people are going to love him now it's like, what are you
talking about? Stupid?
No less a person, no less a person, Dinesh D'souza said.
Literally said in writing, Trump is the gangster for black
America. First of all, stupid.
We hate gangsters. You understand what I'm saying?
It's like we're family people. Like we don't like gangsters and
gang bangers and drive by shoots.
Like we hate those people because they're a threat to us
and to our families. Dumb ass.
It's the matter with you that makes.
Perfect sense. Here's the thing that I've been
I've been trying to. It occurred back to me when I
talk to people that are young, because I had, I got into this
this discussion with a couple young people and I brought up
the other day and I actually did a whole show on this and the
show was entitled Conservatives, What are you conserving?
We did a big space on it and all I want to do is I want to ask
people that simple question and it goes to the heart of what
you're talking about. Also, anybody who's ever been an
instructor and I know that when you're a coder, you're always
learning, but you're also always teaching because that's what
that's what debugging is about. You got to go through and you're
teaching yourself and you're other people are teaching you
what you OK, if you are not properly delivering information
to someone. There are two parts to every
equation, right? There's that there's the
transmission and there's the reception TX and RX that happens
in radio. It happens in a lot of network
traffic. If we are not getting
information across, the failure is in one of the two.
It might be that the receiver is not doing the job, but it may be
that you are not transmitting A receivable information.
And so I I constantly have six different metaphors, 6 different
imagery, 6 different ways that we can talk about something.
When I talk about guns, Yeah, It's like, OK, let's talk about
this. OK.
Think about a throttle. Oh, you don't like a throttle?
Like, let's think about this. Let's think about that.
You know this different thing. We got to look at a, a, a
gradual weight. I will give you different images
because if it doesn't resonate with you, if you've never driven
A5 speed and you don't know how to use a clutch, that's not
going to be useful to you. So I will move on from that and
I will give you so. So the the question was what are
you conserving? And what?
I was not shocked to learn, but maybe maybe I raised surprise
like a little bit. Like, oh, I had a young gal.
I said what are you conserving? She's part of a young
conservatives organization, a young GOP group.
And she said, well, you, you know, like the, like the, you
know, the Constitution stuff and the 2A.
And I said, you're going to tell me hashtags.
Is that what you're going to? That's what you're conserving.
They're hashtags. It's like, Hon, I'm not trying
to be mean to you. What I'm trying to have you do
is do critical thinking. It's so important to me that you
actually know the things that you are trying to conserve.
And once you do, then you know how to connect with other people
that want to conserve those and you know how to communicate why
those things are worth conserving.
That's right. And also why we've lost most of
those things. We got to probably actually not
conserve them, but go get them because we got to actually we
got to be progressive about getting those things back at
this point. Well, I mean, look, you know,
thinking about it's, it's funny because when I hear my MAGA
brethren speak like I'm not MAGA, but I have a lot of MAGA
people in my circle. And when I hear them speak, you
know, they, they talk about rhinos, you know, Republicans in
name only and so on and so forth.
And it's like all these people up on the Hill and there's
there's a swamp up on Capitol Hill.
Here's what's interesting, right?
How come all these Republicans have been in office for so long,
right? I mean, if I'm supposed to be on
a plantation, right. And I'm supposed to be some
benighted savage who just doesn't understand his own best
interests, right? Then it's like, well, okay, you
tell me why. Bro, listen to me.
Listen to me. Mitch McConnell is so old,
right? Dirt gives him mad respect.
Do you know what I'm saying? Like.
I call the Jerry ocracy. I've done people are like,
they're like, what about Chuck Grassley?
He's great. I'm like, Chuck Grassley is
1000. Like I want Chuck Grassley out
25 years ago. I want, I want Mitch McConnell
gone. I think if you're over the age
of like 65, like if you're too old to do regular jobs, if you
would have normally left because you're not there, why on earth
are you trying to die on the floor of the Senate?
But look. I agree with you on this.
But let's take that off the board, off the table.
Second, forget about age limits. It's just like they're not
delivering. You're complaining about them.
You're complaining about the terrible things they keep voting
for and they keep, right? So then why have they been there
for this long? Don't tell me that's because of
the magical brainwashing machine that Democrat, the Democratic
Party has. Because that's that's in your
house. You see.
So, so. Have you ever seen those
surveys? You talked about numbers
earlier. I want to ask you this.
You ever seen the surveys, the popularity or the like?
The What do they call the approval rating of Congress?
You ever seen? It's it's it's like it's like
toilet bowl low. Right.
Yeah. It's it's it's a little bit,
it's a little bit higher than syphilis.
Right, essentially like moderately higher, but like
slightly less than, like, you know, chocolate covered.
Dog on who's? It depends on who's hot this
weekend. You know, it's like.
Syphilis. Syphilis is trending.
It's it's looking good. No, I like chocolate covered dog
shit. Then then there's Congress, then
there's syphilis. I think that's the three levels.
OK, so people are like, well, there's chocolate and it may be
dog shit. OK, that's where.
OK, so that's Congress. But here's the thing.
People's individual Congress person always rage quite high.
And this has been a game going on since I was a kid.
I remember hearing about it even when I was in high school.
They said the reason why is every single Congress person
comes home and says this Congress is a bunch of crooks.
They're a bunch of evil doers. Look what they're doing to this
country. You got to send me back there to
fight them. I've been fighting them for 50
years. Keep sending me back.
I'm doing a great job of not fighting them and everybody just
goes like Oh well, he said he's fighting them. so-called the
lever. There's that.
There's some of that, right? It's just failure to look and
see. We love politician, but we don't
equate them with results. I love 0 politicians.
I only care about outcomes. Right.
And and here's the thing, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be so salty
about that in particular. Except that the same people who
keep sending the Chuck Grassley's and the Mitch
McConnell's back to do the same terrible job, right?
Want to look at me and say, like, will you people keep
voting for people who were doing you no good?
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi is your fault.
Then Chuck Schumer's your fault. Right, exactly.
And it's like, but what again? So so Mitch, McConnell's your
fault then. And that that aside, the other
thing again is that people look, let me back up a second some
back story. When I stopped, when I left the
left, right, I didn't jump to the right.
I didn't go to the Republicans because again, I thought that,
well, how can I put this like, I look, I'm a black dude.
I don't worship my own skin because that's idolatry.
But I'm, I love my people, right?
And I love my tribe. And I just didn't like that.
You know, Again, that whole sneering contempt that I seem to
hear from Republicans all the time.
So I started my own thing called Foundationism, and I have a
manifesto. I wrote our, you know, the
Foundationist Manifesto. And the first point in the
Foundationist Manifesto is see deeply.
The second point in the manifesto is listen closely.
The third is reason, honestly. So, you know, I think and and I
wrote that manifesto and I designed this system because I
wanted us to. I I I didn't think that we were
going to solve all our problems if we just got rid of the
lefties. I thought that a good first step
to solving our problems was enabling us to have higher
quality arguments about the things that are wrong with our
Republic, with our systems. Yeah, so it's like everyone, and
I remember I was inspired by this.
Well, by many things. But there was this interview
that I think Norman was it Norman Mailer did, where he said
that the world would be a better place if the cops were the best
cops that they could be and the robbers were the best robbers
they could be. Oh yeah, he said that the world
would be better if the robbers were like, awesome and the cops
were awesome. You know what I'm saying?
That sounds like my kind of cool.
Yeah, that is correct. So.
That's like a real, that's a real contrarian kind of thing.
Because people go like, oh, why do you want the robbers to be
good? Because I want everyone to be
really good at what they're good at, even if it's being bad even.
If it's being bad, exactly. Because that makes the good
people have to be better. Well, if a per look, if a person
knows that he's a, he's like a second story man.
He's like, no, I'm not going to shoot any.
I don't shoot people. I'm not some killer.
I'm a second story man. I creep.
That's what I do. See what I'm saying?
He's not 1/2 ass. OK, I got to pause the half.
Ass is that. I got to tell you the story now
I'm, I'm, I'm at the FBI Academy and we got this girl.
We got a lot of girls there that I'm not sure they've ever been
outside, like outside of a building.
I think they've just lived indoors, you know, like a lot of
indoor dogs. And I'm not mad at them because
they're real sweet people, you know what I mean?
Like, there's people that are too nice to be mad at them, but
you're looking at them going like, how are you in the same
job that I'm at? So we've got this legal
instructor and his name was Mike.
What's that? His name?
His name was Bullzomi. That was his name, the bull
Bullzomi. And he was really loud and he
was really excited and he would yell things and so he would walk
around and he would ask these questions and he would just get
real like amped up. And he goes, he goes, Teresa,
I'm using real names here, by the way, because that's how I
roll. He goes, Teresa, he goes, we're
going to break into this house because we're cat burglars and
we've got a pillowcase. What's the pillowcase for?
And she goes the cats. What he oh, Jesus Christ, he.
Stops in his tracks, He stops in his tracks and he's never heard
anything like this before. And he goes what?
And she goes the pillowcase is for the cats that we're going to
steal. And he said, I'm going to step
outside for a minute. Somebody help your classmate out
here and explain what a cat burglar is.
And it was like, these are the people.
Like, she has a badge and a gun Still, she's a real sweetheart.
Like, I I I'm fond of her as a human being.
I'm terrified that like you said, a second story man, I
heard you explain and I'm like, oh, OK, cool.
I get it. Yeah.
This is someone who's on. He's he's he's a he's using
sophistication. He's not using overt violence
that would have that would have confused my dear friend who is
an FBI agent. I just thought you had to know
that that's what that's the caliber that we're up against.
That's I'm not surprised. In the league, you should be
scared. I'm beyond fear at this point.
I'm just like, I'm just grimly resolute.
But. But I mean, yeah, you know, I
thought that that that's what we needed was to have better
quality arguments, you know, about what was wrong.
It's like, no, we're not going to get rid of the lefties.
Just like, let's, let's have decent arguments about stuff.
OK. What I see is, is that these
arguments are poisoned by like a handful of very specific sins.
And one of them is pride. Pridefulness.
Right, Diabolic pride. You can have symbolic.
Symbolic pride is fine. Symbolic can.
You define those two for me, for me and everybody.
Yes, Symbolic pride is that which unites.
Diabolic pride is that which divides.
OK, so symbolic pride is fine. You know, you're, you're in,
you're a military guy, you're proud of your regiment, no
problem. You know, you're proud to be
part of your family. You're proud of your family,
proud of your kids with no problem.
But the pridefulness that says, well, I'm better than it if you
know, if if other people think I'm obnoxious, it's their
problem, it's their fault. I'm not obnoxious.
They're just too sensitive, you know or you know I'm like you
just don't understand the way I do things And that that that's
diabolic pride. And and and the scriptures make
a very big deal about diabolic pride for a reason because it's
a self reinforcing sin you see right?
Like like the sin of wrath, like you get angry.
Well, your anger will cool eventually, right?
Same thing with lust. You know you you're lustful, but
your lust will will ebb and flow whatever, right?
But pridefulness like you will just spiral right down because
pride interrupts the feedback loop.
If you have said and said that. Vanity is better than pride.
Vanity is better because at least vanity is social right.
Like you want to cut a good figure in front of other people,
so you're acknowledging the fact that other people's opinions
matter, but if you're prideful, that's not the thing.
And so. You're worshipping of yourself.
Pardon me? You're worshipping yourself.
Your your, your pride feeds itself because you are the
audience and you are also you are also the one receiving it
and you are the one who is giving it.
And so that's the self. It's like government.
It's the self licking ice cream cone.
Correct. Yeah.
So right. And so, you know, diabolic pride
is what caused, like the Angel of light to become Diablo,
right? To become the devil.
It's like, no, I'm, I'm cut off from that feedback loop.
I'm cut off from the source, Right.
And I, look, we see this among lefties, yes.
But being a conservative, I'm concerned with what we see,
what's in our house. And I don't like to see that in
our house, you know? And again, I see that when
people say, well, we don't have to worry about outreach because
our outreach is perfect. The problem is those people over
there, I'm like, well, that's no, that's pridefulness.
Stop that, you know. And when people, you know
consume Internet crime porn and and they're they're obsessively
looking at these 45 second video clips of some, you know, young
black people, for example, in the streets doing doing stupid
stuff, you know what I'm saying? They're they're consuming that
and and they're like wallowing in this resentment, you know,
and and they're working themselves up into this frenzy
and it's it's a pornographic frenzy.
And look, pornography is a problem, not just sex
pornography, but all kinds of pornography.
Because because a pornographic view of the world destroys your
ability to deal with real things and real people, right?
It's amygdala porn. Pardon me?
It's amygdala porn. It's amygdala porn.
And and just like you know, if a young man who gets a young man
who is addicted to sex based pornography find that he doesn't
know how to talk to a real woman because a real woman is active.
A real. Girlfriend, a real wife, is
active. Yeah, she's not paid to be some
sort of, you know, whatever flop job there.
She's going to listen. She, a real girlfriend is going
to challenge you. She's going to say get a job,
stop sleeping on the couch, get your shit together, right.
She's she's going to say, you know, listen, I need you to take
out the garbage or open this pickle jar or kill the spider.
She's going to look at you and say don't bullshit me, OK?
The chick on the screen with her tits out will do none of those
things. OK, Now if you, if you transfer
the thing to to a crime porn, Well, yeah, if.
If that's your interface, to quote UN quote black America.
If all you're looking at is, you know, clips of crime porn and
degenerate celebrities from the music industry or from wherever,
then when it comes time to talk to someone like me, you don't
know what to say. You know how to act.
And I've seen that time and time again.
You know, it's like, what? What's the matter with you?
Like you can't just have a conversation.
Yeah, that's just a dude over there.
He's got a beard like me. He's he's got he's got a you got
a daughter. We got an awful lot of things in
common. I I learned how to do C++.
I'm terrible at it, but I understand that it works right.
Yeah. So, so, you know, I I've been,
I've been really concerned with this.
This is the fundamental problem in in captured places like New
York. It's not that that that the
Democratic Party has these superpowers where they can just
brainwash people. And there's no it's that the
people who were supposed to be fighting against these things
are not fighting against them. The people are supposed to be
conserving our constitutional rights, are not conserving them.
And again, that goes for, you know, again, I said, I said
there's such a thing as a right wing progressive because there
is when a lot of these conservative politicians bother
to come to the cities, they seem to leave their conservative
politics or the conservative beliefs such as they are behind
them when they cross the city line.
And, and and and by the time they get to me, they're talking
like, like, like statists. I'm like, well, what happened to
limited government? What happened?
You were talking about limited government when you were talking
to that to my white brother in the suburbs or in the farmland.
That sounded good to me. I was like, hey, that.
Yeah, right on. And then And then by the time
you get to me, you're like, yeah, we need, we need more
police and more laws and more this is like, whoa, what?
Happened. Same answer.
Better culture, better people doing the right things like
expanding our values. That makes more sense still.
So, OK, so getting and getting and getting and getting the
government's boot off our necks, all of you can figure things
out, right? Full agreement there.
Let me ask you this, is this New York specific?
Or do you get that feedback to Chicago, Los Angeles, Because, I
mean, New York is New York is its own animal.
I mean it's. All our cities, all our cities.
This is the problem. I mean, again, just think for a
second. I mean, look, I again some
background. You know, I am the son of
working class immigrants from the Caribbean, right?
And at a certain point, I started really identifying very
strongly with my working class background.
Like, you know, my path to conservative was probably not
the same as not, probably, definitely not the same as, you
know, other more prominent black conservatives.
Because again, I wasn't. I didn't look at the Republican
Party as a model for anything. I didn't look at Ronald Reagan
as a model for I can't stand Ronald Reagan, Rudolph Giuliani,
neither. I started looking at my
background and like the people I grew up around.
And then I realized, wait a second, I grew up in
conservatism. Like, like the stuff these guys
talk about, excuse me, when they bother to talk righteously, It's
like, wait a minute, I grew up with that, Like, like, and and
everyone I knew. They grew up with parents who
are fanatical about education, who didn't want to hear any
excuses, right? Who wanted excellence, who
insisted on discipline and respect.
You know, who were people of faith, right?
Who believed in black self-reliance?
Right. Who believe that you shouldn't
be asking the government for stuff.
Do you know what I'm saying? Like, but when I was a kid, I
didn't know that that was conservatism.
It was just life. Do you know what I'm saying?
I do. You know, I mean, I grew up.
I grew up going to Sunday. I went to Sunday school at Saint
Albans Congregational Church over on Merrick Blvd.
I remember around graduation time, you know, the the elders
in the church, strangers, people I didn't know would come up to
me and say, hey, you know, you're doing this proud young
man, you know, keep on hitting those books, keep on, you know,
I like strange old people. Strangers were proud of me.
That's a good feeling. It's a good feeling, but what
I'm saying is that's. Conservatism, right?
Community values the future. And and I'm and I'm telling you
that as far as working black folks are concerned, most of us
grew up like that. I I think, I think most people
maybe right. Like isn't that just like that's
not even a black value. I don't find.
I think it's, I think it's American.
I agree. But I'm just talking about the
the, the, the, the retardedness of the GOP and their inability
to talk to black folks. That's what I'm talking.
I mean, I agree. With you.
Well, it goes right back to that that that first thing that I
think you at least are illuminating to me is that
people are looking it. It still comes down to that
person is different than me. For some reason.
I didn't grow. I I, I grew up luckily enough in
California and then in Texas in places where I didn't know that
was supposed to be the case. I didn't know I was supposed to
look at people who had different colored skin or came from
different backgrounds that were like, you know, like, I was
like, oh, like they're Filipino. They just have cool food.
I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's got a lot of sugar
in it, and I'm into it. Like, that's what I knew growing
up. We had a lot of Filipino.
We had a lot of Vietnamese. You know, I had some friends
that were black that were in my little, you know, schools.
I went to Catholic schools and you know, you just meet people.
It's like, well we all have the same values and we're all
Catholic and we're all going to the same school.
We all want to they're willing to pay for education.
So that's something. So we pretty much had a lot in
common other than some of us had more you know family members and
less and some of us had different food at lunch which I
try to trade for or whatever you know like but but but at some
point at some point the people I guess the people that are
running this country many of whom are very old, grew up with
some really old ideas that I didn't learn.
You know they didn't learn what I learned in the 80s and 90s.
They didn't grow up learning the things that you learned and with
that awareness going like, hey, these are just American values.
They've actually, they're they're still living, segregated
values and they're approaching I.
Think that's, well, I think that's part of it.
But I think, I think you could look at it also in the opposite
way is that part of the problem is that we are, we are besieged
by people with brand new ideas. What are these new ideas?
Well, the Well, the idea that a man can become a woman without
just by saying words. Wait.
A minute. Are we getting bigoted right
now? OK, let's do this.
Yes. Yes, and you're welcome.
How? How weird a planet are we living
Where guys are doing that, right?
Right. How?
Weird.
A Planet are we Where where Planet Fitness is going to side
with a dude with a semi erect penis in the women's locker room
and kick women out. I mean yeah.
OK that's a new idea so that's that's definitely new.
I'll, I'll give you that 100%. Right.
So. So any new ideas are are, and
they're part of the problem. Part of the problem is that, you
know, you could say new ideas, very, very new ideas, very old
sins. Again, pridefulness, right.
Resentment. I mean, you know, the story of
one brother striking down, another out of resentment.
The second oldest story in the Bible, right?
So. So these are very old sins.
The, the, the, the problem really is that we have just
recently dismantled or started to dismantle all the structures
we had in place to prevent those sins from having the run of the
place, right? And that's one problem.
The other problem is the people, so-called conservatives, who
were supposed to be tending the garden, OK, were derelict in
their duty. And now they don't want to admit
it. They want to say, well, it's
those lefties. Well, hang on a second.
How come there was a long March through the institutions?
How come it wasn't a running battle, Right.
How come? How come they just surrendered
left and right? How?
Come they just how come they just marched on through The Who
who was fighting them? Who was supposed to be fighting
them? You know, look, all the things
that are happening to our country, right to our
civilization, we feel like we're besieged from all sides.
No, it's there are bad people and bad ideas rushing to fill a
vacuum. Why is there a vacuum there?
What was there before the vacuum?
Why was it? Why was it done away with?
Why did we allow it to be done? Who allowed it to be done?
Away with questions right. And and people have to start
taking responsibility. It's not just, you know, it's
not good enough for so-called conservatives to look at me and
assume that I don't take responsibility for my.
Well, you people just need to, hey, hey, you people need to
take responsibility for the fact that you failed to safeguard the
things that needed to be safeguarded and you failed to
make the case for yourself. OK?
And you failed in your what should have been a primary act
of moral imagination in saying that, you know something, these
are my people. I'm American.
These are my people. These cities are American
cities. Our, our, our great cities.
Chicago, Cincinnati, for God's sake, named after a Roman
senator. You know, New York, Los Angeles,
San Fran. These are American cities who
decided that they should be abandoned to progressives,
right? I mean, of course the
progressives wanted to take them over.
They want to take everything over.
Right. That's what they do.
Right. I mean, that's what they do.
OK, so so who who was supposed to oppose them and and why
didn't they? Right.
No, these are. Can we get an act?
Can we get an after action report?
Can someone say what happened? Can we?
You know what I'm saying? So I agree with you and and I
keep saying the same thing and and this, this marries up with
your point really nicely. You know, in 1946 they passed
the Administrative Procedures Act.
And what you're what you're hearing about from from people
on the right is like, oh, there's this deep state and you
know, I call it the administrative state.
It's much more accurate. The administrative state just
knows one thing. One, we're the ones in charge.
Two, we were given that power in 1946, and we've been slowly
growing it through the executive branch.
And three, we outlast every president and we don't give a
shit who you elect. It doesn't matter to us because
we're going to be here when they're gone.
So our work is more important than it continues onward, which
is why these institutions end up captured.
Now the scary thing is, is that they're captured by people on
the left and not, and I don't hate the left either.
I think you and I share this. I just did a long sort of
meditation on balance. There's a big need for balance.
Progressive ideas are not my enemy.
They are the challenge to make me have better ideas, as you
said, about robbers and cops, better cops, better robbers,
smarter leftists, smarter people on the right equals Everybody
comes to a better, you know, a better version of whatever it is
they believe. They hone those arguments.
You know iron sharpening iron. But otherwise.
But otherwise we just get dummies that just roll over and
and are trying to sell us you know sneakers whatever the heck
the deal was which is when you told me that it just it makes I
don't understand sneaker culture to begin with.
I don't understand. I used I actually ran a case on
a guy. This is brilliant.
You want to talk about brilliance?
This guy had worked out a money laundering operation in a very
very expensive shopping mall. Like down by the water in DC,
OK, in the National Harbor. And what he did was he was a
consignment dealer of super high end sneakers, hundreds or
thousands of dollars. OK.
And So what would happen is, is that he would have inventory
that'd be on the shelf. It'd be like a size 10 Yeezys or
whatever the heck those things are.
I think I'm saying it right because I don't even know.
I don't know enough about sneakers.
Whatever. There's expensive ass sneakers
on the wall. People would come in and then
they would order or buy. They would give money and they
would get something out and they were getting drugs because he
was selling drugs out of there. Or he was moving.
He was laundering the money through a product he never had
to, never had to have leave. So people came in and bought
sneakers. They never took home.
So he had inventory on the wall. You just couldn't buy any of it
because it wasn't your size. And so he was doing this and it
was brilliant, but it was like, OK, I don't even know how we're
going to get. He was flying around in like
private jets and going to the Dominican Republic with, you
know, suitcases full of cash. He was smart.
He was a smart dude. He was abusing the sneaker
culture. I just thought that was really
funny, 'cause I was like, I don't understand any of what
they're talking about. Like, wait a minute, there's
there's multi $1000 sneakers and people were like, Oh yeah,
that's the thing. And I was like to who, you know,
if that's the thing that's going to get Trump in front of black
people. I was like, I I just don't think
that's going to be the winner. I just just well, yeah that's.
I mean I was. I was what a.
Low, low threshold to aim at that one.
That's just. That's silly.
Don't. Don't call it low.
Call it retarded. Retarded.
It is retarded.
It's a retarded threshold. It is.
And again, these people exactly. And I'm like, well, well, well,
what's wrong with you? You know, So this is so, so This
is why, you know, when you may talk about people like Sunny
Johnson. You know, I'm so, I was so happy
to meet Sunny Johnson and and to get into her spaces and to start
talking to people in her circle because here was someone who
actually understood. She got it like she she and she
gets it. She understands that
conservatism is is deep in our bones as black folks because
because we've had to be conservative.
Think about it. You know chattel slavery is
antithetical to the concept of of of the close knit family.
So we had to regenerate our traditions and and and figure a
way to kind of preserve what was absolutely necessary through
that hardship. And then after emancipation we
had to figure out how to start, you know, generating value and
being a part, a real part of the economy instead of just being a
pool, a fungible pool of Fiat labor, you know.
And so she describes herself, and I'm, I'm with her on this as
a Frederick Douglass slash Booker T Washington
conservative. You know, and there's a lot to
that. And I think right now what I'm
seeing in the political landscape in the in the United
States is I see a lot of these PayPal conservatives ruining it
for the real conservatives. What's a?
PayPal conservative. How do you define that?
I mean, it's like, you know, people whose job it is to
generate, generate eyeballs and clicks and raise money, but who
don't actually conserve anything.
So Charlie Kirk is one example, right?
PayPal. Conservative, You know,
trademark. Trademark that That's your
that's yours. I can't it will PayPal.
I can't trademark PayPal, but. P Conservative.
It's even better. You're going to get me in
trouble. You can get me in trouble, but
but no, it's these fakes ruining it for the real ones and, you
know, and ruining the name of conservatism such that, you
know, in many black communities, it's like people will look at
you as scans if you say you're a conservative, you have to
explain yourself. And again, I don't blame them.
I blame conservatism because brand management is a thing.
Yep. And when you're saying is like,
once you, once you explain it, they're like, oh, I'm all those
things. That's exactly what thing.
They're like, oh, why? Why do you call it conservative?
It's like 'cause that's what it's called.
'Cause that's what it is. Look, a funny story.
My mom, well, you know, my parents, when I started, when I
went public on social media about my case, they started kind
of taking my links and sending them to their friends and family
and so on and so forth. And some people would come back
and say, you know, they'd see some talk.
I did, you know. And they say, well, what does he
mean? He's a conservative, you know,
because they thought that that meant that I had become one of
these black people whose favorite indoor sport is shit
talking black people. It's insulting black people.
And my mom had to be like, no, no, no, no.
He means conservative like us, you know, like in the old ways.
Like they're like oh, OK, OK, OK, OK You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be that.
But that's the same question is what are you conserving?
If you don't know the answer to it, then maybe you are the
PayPal conservative if that's the name.
But the question is this, that this is the one I want to
challenge you with. Because because I I think it's
whenever I look at something that seems devious or seems
seems nefarious, I will always err on the side of of giving
stupidity and retardation. I will give it credit where due,
right. It's almost it's it's just as
often as it's ignorance to malfeasance.
Yes. OK.
And how many people just have no idea what the hell they're
talking about? They said.
You know you know Dexter, you know Constitution to a you know
families, values religions or whatever 1A they don't know the
thing that they actually think they believe.
They just looked at the model of people that they're like OK,
these people have got it squared away.
I I like the way that they're living their life.
But I never asked them what it is that they live by.
I'm just going to try to say the things that they say without
understanding it. Is it possible that some of
these folks just, they just don't get it.
They haven't internalized the thing that when you just said in
the old way, the ways that I feel about it, then they would,
they would immediately know because once I leave these, like
this poor gal that I talked to, when I let her down there, I
said, what are you what are you conserving?
She goes, I said, are you interested in family values?
She goes, yeah, I said, where do you get your values?
She was like, from my faith. OK, good.
What faith is that? I'm, I'm Christian.
So you have Christian values. Got it.
What are the things that lead you to?
Well, it leads me to believe that people are, you know,
innately of value. OK, good.
So now we have the individual self worth.
We're going to move down the chain.
We have to walk them to this though.
The TX and the RX has to happen. Is it possible they just don't
know? They just like there's a lot of
ignorance too now. When you say they who you're
referring to? I'm talking about conservatives
that are failing to give messaging to anybody like
they're. I mean, conservatives are
failing to give messaging to young people.
I see what you mean. They give it.
They're failing all over the place because it's just they're
on defense and they're not really great at it.
They're not good at the offense, yeah.
OK, so so so you asked a question.
The answer is no. I don't think that's what the
problem is. OK, how?
Why not I? I I think the I think the
problem is again these very old sins.
I think the problem is a form of self worship.
Yeah, Satanic pride and resentment and and avarice.
I mean, it's like that, you know, like it's very lucrative.
It can be very lucrative to be a paid off conservative.
Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, just think, you
know, if you're a Charlie Kirk, get on the circuit.
Yeah, you're getting paid, you know.
Or if you're a squeaky Shapiro, you know what?
Like, yeah, that's Shapiro. That's profitable.
Yes. Wait, hold on.
What? You getting paid?
What's that? What's squeaky about Shapiro?
What's squeaky? His fucking voice.
What do you want to speak? About I just wanted to make sure
you were saying what I thought you said.
That's fine, you know what? You know what you can't do
though to Ben Shapiro is you can't put them at 1 1/2 X 'cause
that's it's like helium at 1:00. And a half.
What? Oh yeah, like up to speed.
Yeah, most people can't process that fast.
I actually can hear that fast, but I don't want to.
Well, well, well, the, the pitch, I mean if you start to
pitch up, you'd start to get into the ultrasonics, but
somebody. Somebody told me that.
Somebody told me they listen to my show and they do it in 75%
speed because I speak really quickly.
And then they turned on Dan Bongino and they thought he was
on drugs because it still sounds kind of like Dan, but it sounds
like Dan, like he's taking Benzo.
That's. Hilarious, that's.
Hilarious. I try.
I aspire not to be squeaky. That's all I'm saying, OK?
Fair enough. Don't be squeaky.
No squeaky. But.
But yeah, no, I I don't think that's the problem.
I think the problem is is that there's just there's just arisen
this great kind of mechanism for for raising money.
You know, and we've seen this look, I mean didn't the GOP just
get rid of Ronna McDaniel because she was running the
whole thing like her own private fiefdom and she was funneling
money to all these weird places like hey, why aren't you.
Hang on a second why are you sending money to people who are
defending safe seats and like Lee Zeldin is getting starved
out running for governor of New York State.
What's the matter with? Man, I thought Lee Zeldin was
going to pull it out too. But, like, but I also knew he
wasn't. Well, well I I I think, I think
that I don't think that election was fair.
I I think there was some chicanery going on.
I I just, I just can't see that like Kathy Hochul who has, like
Kathy Ogle has negative charisma.
Who is her constituency? People.
She causes other people around her to be less charismatic, and
she's a leftover from a disgraced administration.
I don't see how she beat Lee Zeldin fair and square.
I don't get that. I tend to agree.
But but then again, then again, right?
Speaking of election chicanery again, PayPal conservatives,
right, will come up and say, well, you know, oh, you know,
you see something bad jumps off in the city and they say, oh,
well, you get what you voted for.
And and I'm looking at these people like, hang on a second.
You were just talking about 2020.
You were just complaining about election theft in 2020.
You think that's the only place election theft has happened?
You think Democrats in Chicago run clean elections, stupid?
It's the matter. With you.
But here's the thing you you challenged me by saying that I
was listening to you before and then I went, Oh yeah, it's
really important that we get unified in the things that we
actually believe. If if you believe something that
you should probably believe it across the spectrum.
I I kind of pride myself on that.
But I got lazy at thinking about New York.
I'm like, yeah, New York, they just, they don't care about
freedom. They hate freedom, right?
That's what they're. See deeply.
You got to see deeply. I I just ignored it.
I just went like, well, I don't live in New York, it's not my
problem. But it seems like they love
that. And I also have a lot of
feelings for people live upstate that that are not, you know,
constituents of like New York City obviously captures the
entirety of that state. I've driven up there and seen
people that were saying like vote no on the safe act and all
that. And I was like, man, these
people are getting steamrolled, but they live in New York.
What are they going to do? But not everybody picks up and
moves like a tumbleweed like I do.
So, well, that's one and two and two.
Again, even in New York, The the problem is you need to activate
the voters who are sitting it out.
Yes, that's the thing. And that had.
Never heard the voters who are sitting it out.
And those voters are ready to hear a genuinely conservative
message, especially if they're black or Latino voters, You
know, because because they're going to tend to be more
religious, they're going to tend to be more socially
conservative, right? It's just that there there are
certain bad habits of thought that that Republicans indulge
all the time and it makes them unattractive.
And and by the way, you know, circling back to what we were
really talking about in my case, right?
Think about it. Republicans are supposedly the
pro two way people, right? OK, yeah.
How many prominent Republicans have you heard talking about my
case? Dana, not much more.
A little bit on Red State. Right.
I mean, I mean the really. Right.
OK so so and I know for example like we've tagged.
I've tagged a lot of prominent people including politicians in
the New York GOP. Like New York GOP has nothing to
lose. They have no exalted position
that they might jeopardize if they.
That's true. Jumped in on an issue.
OK. So.
So why haven't I heard from Elise Stefanik?
Why haven't I heard from Ed Cox? Heard back, I should say,
because I reached out to them multiple times, right?
Why haven't I heard from Hey, Speaking of conservatives,
right, what's her name? And she might be mad because I'm
calling her out, but what's her face?
Jesus, what's the guy who has the thing?
Prager you, Right, Prager you. You.
Were going to do the thing my wife does with me where she
starts describing something very vaguely and I got to guess.
OK, so prager you. The other thing No, no, the
other thing with the you. Know with the the one who was in
the movie and you're like the. Thing exactly that time.
By the way, I'm like 98%. Girl.
I'm 98. Percent girl in the car, right?
The movie wouldn't go. There, yeah, I'm 98% with my
wife on that stuff, by the way, because we have very, very
similar, you know, patterns, but.
Exactly. But no, Susan Prager knows about
my case. OK, DM back and forth.
We got a very cordial, you know, couple of DMS back and forth.
OK. Have you heard Dennis Prager
talk about my case? I haven't, but to be fair, I
don't monitor a lot of Dennis Prager.
I'll. Be I mean.
I mean. I mean.
Listen, I'm not. But I assume that you're
correct. I I will assume that if he did,
you would know and you would have told me.
So yeah. And and again, you know, a lot
of these prominent conservative or so-called conservative voices
who were like fire breathing on a bunch of these issues, you
know, people, people said, well, you know, maybe they just don't
know about your case. You know, when when Squeaky went
down to Kensington, Philadelphia, right.
And and to do an active investigative journalism to
inform us that people were falling out behind fentanyl in
the streets of Kensington, Philadelphia, it's like, well,
my question was why didn't you go visit Monterey?
Marge Toure is a black conservative in in Philadelphia.
He's doing two way stuff. He's doing free firearms
training. He's doing civics classes, doing
all this stuff. He's doing conservative content
online. Right.
And I have his phone number. Yeah, I can text him when I
want. So you tell me, why does someone
who works for a conservative news organization not know about
MASH? Well, he does know about MASH
Toure. He's not interested.
Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah. So.
No, I do. I like mash too the.
The conservative movement is not covering itself in glory here,
and that's yet another reason why people have no reason to
trust them. It's like if if if one, you
don't care about, you don't care when we do do conservative stuff
in the cities, that's one. And two, you don't, you know,
you don't bother to speak to us like human beings.
And if if we do happen to get a conservative politician who
comes and wants to run New York City, he starts to run it like a
nanny state guy, well then what's the point of voting for a
so-called conservative right? I mean, Rudolph Giuliani did not
govern like a conservative. I'm very sorry.
He governed like a statist. Where was the limited
government? Yeah, You never see these people
get into power and just like roll back all the power of the
state. Wouldn't that be something?
Did we? Were you in the space the other
day when we were talking about this?
I was like, wouldn't it be amazing if we just gave Congress
like, we're like, look, you got two years, we're going to run on
all your old shitty laws. We're just going to keep
operating the US the way it's been.
And we're not excited about it, but we're going to do it.
We're going to do that. And in the next two years, what
we'd like you to do is create an act, pass it right now that
repeals all federal laws and scraps them, and then spend the
next two years creating a decent scaffolding without having,
like, all this rickety shit that's held together with duct
tape. That doesn't make any sense that
you're trying to close loopholes from the 1930s, back when
everybody was trying to do transactions with, like, bags of
grain or whatever the hell was going on.
Like like you could look back to 1913 before we had an income tax
in this country and we had roads and people ate, you know, and
some people had electricity. Not everybody did I get it.
So we've we've done some things with that, maybe at some expense
we didn't like. But we used to be able to do
stuff in this country before we started taking everybody's
paycheck left and right. Wouldn't it be nice if we just
started from scratch and just made this thing work?
I'd love to see some politicians campaign on Everything is
broken. It's basically idiocracy, right?
It's like love people. I know, I know stuff's all effed
up. Like we got this guy, he's going
to straighten it out. Can we just get a couple of
smart people in there to just go, this is garbage.
Is there still an opportunity to come in and do the things you're
talking about in the cities? Is there an opportunity?
There's there always this, sure. I mean, you know, look put put
it this way, you know in fact that's where most of the
opportunity is. It's in the local.
It's in local governance, right. I've often said, you know, you
know, that I'm not a Trump supporter, but I've said before
that I think Trump, to the extent that Trump is AI think
that Trump Trump, you can look at Trump as a useful president
without looking at him as a necessarily wise or prudent
president. He's a part.
That is to say, he's a table flipper and sometimes the table
needs to be flipped. But that presupposed that
someone else is going to come and put set the table to write
and reset everything and kind of OK, we're going to do thing,
we're going to run things differently in here from now on.
I refer to him as a breacher. You know what that is, right?
Yeah, but if you open that door and.
Goes in fourth. Man on the stack is a breacher.
OK, so he's going to get up there with his battering ram or
his hydraulic ram or his little shaped charger on the petard or
whatever it is, right? And he's going to blow that
thing. And then it's like if everyone
else just stands around high fiving and back slapping with a
goofy expression on their faces, you're going to, you're going to
take that to heart. You're going to feel like hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey, What are we doing?
Here you're going to, you're going to literally probably take
fire that way. Correct exactly.
Well, and in the same way we talked about that you you talked
about there being, you know, who was fighting in the cities.
But it's essentially, yeah, you can have someone come in and
create that chaos, like make that space.
But even even even in jiu jitsu, even in these, like you know,
these martial arts, you make space, you got to fill that
space by by moving, you got to do something.
It's like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to do a hip hop, but then
I'm going to slide. I'm going to use that that
opportunity to take some momentum.
There. Exactly.
You can't. You can't just do one thing and
then I did it you. Know.
Yeah. Look how Look how cool it was.
I I I pushed my body. Exactly.
Look how cool that and and and listen, we have to be honest,
much of what the MAGA movement has been doing over the past few
years has been like, look how cool, I mean act.
After Trump got elected, a lot of what MAGA was doing was like,
hey, look how cool that was. It's like, listen, there's work
to do, people. There's work to do.
Yeah, no time to watch. Your man, your man breached.
Your man breached the door. Get in there and work.
You know, start, you know, taking over.
Start applying the precinct strategy.
Start going around and figuring out how to get a broad
grassroots that can actually start to take back our
structures, our institutions, our Republic, you know?
But again, there's I I talked about self worship before.
There is a kind of narcissism in despair.
There is a kind of a narcissism in saying yes, it's all over now
because if things didn't go my way.
I'm so close. To one and therefore it's all.
Over. I'm so great but I wasn't
appreciated so. So it's all it's a everything's
going to burn now. Really.
Because last time I checked,
other people in America kept the faith, kept the civic faith,
right, under much more trying conditions.
You know, black folks, black Americans working, black
Americans kept the faith when essentially ISIS was running the
American South, right? I mean, I mean going back
further I mean Booker T Washington started an industrial
college for black people in the in in Alabama a generation or
two after the end of the after the Civil War was over wild.
So, so, so the idea that that that now because, well, they're
cancelling us on social media, excuse me.
Yeah, that. That.
I don't. That blows my mind, too.
It's like that that wasn't always there.
What did you do before social media?
All of America. Literally all of America.
They're. Stealing elections.
They've been stealing elections for a while, bro.
Yeah. Talk about, you know, so that
that just kind of illuminated that little thing.
And I and I want to touch on something you and I talked about
privately, your instinct or interest in the Monks keeping
the lights on when the world went dark.
You want to talk about that for a little bit, 'cause I think I'm
going to, I'm going to put you full screen for a moment, just
'cause I I really like that kind of that image.
Yeah, thank you. Well, you know, when I I talk
about when I left the left, it wasn't a one day thing.
It was a it was a kind of a transition period and there were
several kind of milestones. But one thing that happened was
that I started really thinking about Christianity.
You know, I was raised Episcopal, lost my faith some
years ago and I started to get it back.
I started to kind of it was odd. I started to reason my way back
into religious faith is weird. But one thing that I was very
interested in was this idea of the monastic tradition.
Like, I began to understand that that the the Dark Ages weren't
as dark as we thought they were. And again, from a lot of reading
and and listening to my Christian friends and, you know,
all this, I started to realize that there were people.
There was this whole tradition of people who kept the lights
on, kept the light of reason on during a dark period in history.
You know, I began to realize that we know about Socrates and
Aristotle and all these cats because a bunch of Christians
SAT, you know, by candlelight and, like, wrote out books by
hand. You know, while growing all
their own food and brewing their own beer.
That's pretty hardcore. It's pretty based.
It's it's pretty, yeah. But it's not based in a prepper
kind of way because they're like, no, we're we're like like
this is we're preserving something like this.
This will continue, you know what I'm saying?
It's like being the outpost somewhere.
You're just you're you're the last outpost for now.
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, you're you're a lighthouse,
that's what. You're for that's.
Right. And and the same thing about a
lighthouse is a lighthouse is a warning, right?
It it. It's job is to send a warning.
But that warning presupposes that there is still something
worth preserving, right? That ship has to turn away from
the from the from the reef, right?
Or from the sandbar what have. Yeah, but it supposes that
there's still a ship. That there's still a ship.
And somebody still cares about not running at a ground.
Correct. And and that's a kind of faith,
but we need that faith, right? Because building things, listen,
building things requires faith. I mean, look, doing anything
consequential requires faith. It just does.
It's an act of faith that's justed and said to us or maybe
it was CS Lewis to to assume that that that your reason is an
appropriate instrument for understanding the world in the
1st place. That's an act of faith, right.
OK, So again, I'm not proposing anything new.
I don't claim to have invented anything.
I just started going back and and looking at history and
looking at the history of ideas and it's like, oh, wait a
second. There's all this cool stuff in
our theology and Christian theology is all this cool stuff
in our American tradition is all this cool stuff in the Western
tradition, you know, and all we have to do is kind of pick up
some of these instruments and start to use them.
That's all. And and listen, I I don't.
I don't. I've never told anyone that
there was any kind of guarantee or that we're going to turn
things around next year. I've I've gotten into fights
with people for saying that we're in 100 year war.
So just settle in and relax because because it it's likely
that our grandchildren will sit in the shade of the trees we
plant. What Well is that not a noble
endeavor? Is that not noble to go ahead
and plant those trees? What are you saving it for?
You know, Or do you just want to keep doomscrolling and say
everything is lost? And by the way, by the way, one
of the reasons why why young people, so many young people who
become disaffected go to the left and not the right is
because the left at least has a story where they're trying to
save the world. Think about it for a second.
Think about it. The left is telling people, come
on, we're going to save the planet.
Come on, we're going to end race.
I mean, now that's bullshit. But I'm saying that's what
they're saying. But they are doing it.
Yeah, you're right. No, they're offering a vision.
They're offering a vision. OK, so as I've said time and
time again, you know, if you have, if you're a young person
and you have a choice between Team Superhero and Team
Accountant, it's not even a it's not even a question.
Nope. OK, Now by contrast, you look at
you, you mentioned Christianity. I talked about it briefly.
You know, it's like, actually that's a really cool story If
you just tell it. It's like, yeah, you know, some
of the ulterior mind tried to debug the world.
So basically he he took a part of himself and developed a
subroutine and injected it into the system, you know, and and
that subroutine turned into what it was, a living virus and it
infected and it rewrote the software of human civilization
starting about 2000 years ago. And literally changed the values
that people look at themselves with.
This is the thing that I always tell people and this.
This is why I think the Socratic method is powerful, but it is
it's a it's a way of debugging leftism.
Because I don't think leftists are are my enemy.
I know you don't think they're your enemy.
Well, some of them. Are some of them act like, yeah,
some of them act like our enemy individually, but the movement
is not my enemy, it turns out. Because The thing is, is that
they actually have the same values.
They're just they're just off. You know what I think of it is
it's like having a bad zero. It's like, oh, oh, I see.
What Yes. It's like your it's like your
your your sights are not aligned properly.
And so you know up close, yeah we kind of hit the same stuff.
But if I take you out to 1000 yards, you're going to be off
the paper. You're not even you're going to
be off. You know no impact.
No idea. That's where you're at.
That's how far off you're 1 degree, 1° at 1000 yards is a
long ways off. But at, you know, up close, ten
degrees, 10-10 yards, yeah, we're still hitting the same
target. And and my thought is this, my,
my assumption is that people, if I get them to tell me that the
reason that they think people are valuable is because people
have innate worth, because they do think that way.
You have to be a, if you're a leftist, you have to believe in
that there is no Karl Marx without Christianity.
There is no values of Karl Marx without Christianity.
That you just got it wrong at some point.
It's corruption. Although I think, I think part
of the problem is that is that I think that that's true, but it's
also that doesn't necessarily mean that modern leftists are in
any way in touch with religion. They've.
Oh, I don't think they are either, I think.
They've gone in for self worship, but here's.
They've detached. I agree with you.
I'm just saying that if they if I could root them back to where
they where that comes from the quote.
Always come from, I would say. I wouldn't take them back to
Karl Marx. I mean I would like CS Lewis
said that it would be an upgrade if if if young people started to
become Pagan instead of materialist because that would
be a good like look I've said and it's not original on my part
that like you don't everything's downstream from theology.
There is no culture without religion.
Sorry, there is no culture without.
There's no science without religion right now.
Someone that there was a Conservative and a British
conservative named Sir Roger Scruton and he was doing a a
panel discussion and someone asked him how how we could get
young people to who were raised on on Lady Gaga and stuff like
that to appreciate let's say classical music.
And what he said was well you can't not directly.
He said first you have to get them to appreciate silence and
then in that silence right the appreciation of other things can
blossom. So I think if if we could just
get, if we if we get, especially our young lefty brethren, if we
could just get them embracing the idea of the sacred, that is
the supernatural, right? They did it.
Yes, we have law, whatever. But there is something there.
The law and the state cannot be the highest value if we can just
get them to admit that there's something else to which law and
the state must be subordinate. They don't have to declare for
Christ. I'm not saying that, but I'm
just saying if they could just agree to that, that would be an
enormous upgrade. Because at the end of the day,
what we need is more people to understand that, that we have to
have what we have to have a hierarchy of of values.
That's the main thing I I think when I when I think about what's
wrong with with society and not not just society.
What's wrong with business, What's wrong with American
foreign policy? Why we can't seem to put
together corporations to make decent stuff and and why we
can't, why nothing seems to work.
Well, the answer I come back to is not necessarily the death of
Christianity. It's more like the the
abandonment of hierarchy and the embrace of self worship.
If if you, if you understand hierarchy and you're not
worshipping yourself, even if you're just like a a vaguely
skeptical deist like many of the founding fathers were right,
that's better. But if you abandon that and you
abandoned the idea of of a hierarchy and you go toward
positive self worship, you are in a world of trouble and your
society is going to be in a world of trouble.
As you were talking, I just pulled up this quote by chest
and I want to read it if you don't mind.
It's really, it's really interesting, he said It's from
his book Orthodoxy. He said the modern world is not
evil. In some ways the modern world is
far too good. It is full of wild and wasted
virtues. When a religious scheme is
shattered, as Christianity was shattered at the Reformation, it
is not merely the vices that are let loose.
The vices are indeed let loose, and they wander and do damage.
But the virtues are let loose also, and the virtues wander
more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage.
The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad.
The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated
from each other and are wandering alone.
Thus some scientists care for truth, and their truth is
pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only
care for pity, and their pity, I am sorry to say, is often
untruthful. Tabby.
There's a lot of that's firing at you all the time.
Yeah, non-stop, yeah. But even that silence you
brought up a a minute ago, that is, that's placed to maneuver.
Yes, Sir. That yes, Sir.
That's the table flip. That's right.
Yes, right, that's right.
That's right. It's an and and it's a.
It's a more achievable goal because it's incremental.
That's right that that's a, you know, that's one thing
everybody. Wants to solve it in one fells
to actually, you know what this reminds me of something Michael
Crichton wrote back in the he wrote Rising Sun.
Is that what it's called? Rising Sun?
Yeah, yeah. Is that what it's was that?
Am I right? I think it's rising sun.
Yeah, I think so. He always had these, like really
interesting things that he was talking about, like cultural
commentary while he was telling the story of like a murder or
whatever, telling the story of like an airplane crash.
But it was like it was really more, you know, the the story
there was about the value of incrementalism and why the
Japanese were able to destroy absolutely just devastate
American electronics industries in the 80s because they were
willing to have a slightly better VCR.
They were willing to make a DVD player or you know, they didn't
have to jump the DVD. They would make a better VCR.
Then they would make one that had some anti shock and then
they'd make one that was able to do a couple of more features and
people bought it, they incrementally would sell it.
Whereas Americans were like, we need the the, the quantum leap,
we need the jump that changes the game.
And we're only interested in making that.
And if you're only aiming at, we are going to revolutionize the
industry. You don't get incrementally
better batteries. That's right.
That's exactly. You don't get incrementally
better politics. You don't get incrementally
better policy. And incrementally, we're always
trying to say we're going to flip it on its head, we're going
to put in this guy and everything's going to be
righteous. That's not how the world works.
Right. And there's a kind of narcissism
in that, too. I think so, yeah.
It's cult of personality. You have to believe that, right?
You have to. There's that.
And there's also the thing of humbling yourself.
You know, like like it. Look in my career as a software
guy, right? Sometimes you're lucky enough to
go into a place. Well, now that I'm senior, you
know, I I kind of have the luxury of being able to go and
say I want to work for start up companies where I'm like the
first or second or third engineer, you know, and stuff
like that. And I've been lucky enough to do
that from time to time. But very often, as a software
guy, you go in and there's already a bunch of software
that's been written right? I mean, that's just the way it
is. OK.
Now, you may find that one or more of the systems in that
place are not kind of optimal. You know what I'm saying?
There's that there's something in there that's not quite right.
OK, well, the first thing you have to do is humble yourself
and not go in there pissing everyone off by saying, oh, all
this is stupid and you're doing everything wrong.
Yes. You have to.
You have to learn to lead with the question.
OK Oh, I see. You're doing the.
OK, why are we doing this like that?
What am I missing? You know, it's very important
because first of all, you need to hump.
You need to, you need to get people on your side, people who
are willing to talk to you so they can tell you, the arcane
Lord, that you're going to have to learn to function effectively
in the company. And also if you want to make an
improvement, you're just not going to be able to throw
everything away and start. You can't.
It's not on the table, right? This is the same in every team
environment and every culture you've ever walked in that
exists before you, which, by the way, we've all been born into a
culture that existed before us. So that's what a culture is if
you're born into. It it already exists.
So you don't get to throw it all out.
And and that's and that's why my pipe dream of Congress is going
to repeal all the laws. They're not going to do that,
although they would be better if they did that.
They're like they would immediately be better if they
scrapped all this garbage because they've done a bad job
on it. But that assumes that, like you
said, humility, you walk in. And this is my problem with with
young people that are in their early 20s because I had a couple
people saying, like, we're trying to get, you know, more
young people to politics. Why?
What do you know? You're like, you have energy.
I'm into that. There's, there's.
And I told this kid I said I'm going to give you some feedback.
You didn't ask for it, but it's free, so it's worth whatever you
got it for. And I said, here's the feedback.
Let me share with you. There is a balance in life
between being the young guy who's got tons of energy, you
got all the piss and vinegar, you're willing to run down the
bad guy, you're going to run for a mile and a half and finally
catch your man. And then there's also the old
guy who knows exactly where that guy was running.
So he drove the car there, and when he comes around the last
corner, he hits over that, he falls over the top of the hood.
It's it's a joke in every police movie, right?
Going back to the cops and robbers metaphors, but but
there's a balance between being knowledgeable enough, wise
enough that you know a lot of the tricks and turns and you
understand the wiliness of of having some experience but also
having the energy to push into the space and to to to make some
room to move. And so there's a balance there.
And that balance I think happens somewhere between like mid 30s
and mid 40s, like early, you know, early 50s kind of thing.
At some point, you don't have that anymore.
And then you're Chuck Grassley. Well, I would, I would say it
differently. I would say that that's why good
organization, remember that we've defined deviancy down for
decades now. Effective organizations for most
of human history were cross generational organizations,
right? And effective teams for most of
our history as a species were cross generational.
Team Oh yeah, for sure. There was a council of elders,
right? There may have been a younger,
more powerful guy who was going to implement it, but he went to
the brain. Trust he.
Went to the brain trust and he said listen, what am I missing?
And they said, Oh well, we've already tried that shit.
We did that when I was younger and everybody died and I'm the
only guy standing. We don't see again how.
How? There's humble.
They have to be humble. You have to humble yourself, and
you have to reacquaint yourself with the and get good with the
concept of hierarchy. This is why I find my Catholic
friends so interesting. You know, because right away
they're like, Nope, there's a hierarchy.
Yeah, we get that. We get that thing.
You you get that and. And that's very, very very
important. You can't get anything useful
done without that hierarchy, so. And and it and it takes humility
to come in at the bottom of a hierarchy.
You have to know where you fit in there.
I mean look every every team I've ever been on.
If you want to immediately not be effective on that team, go in
there and tell people how to do things right away without ever
learning what they do. It's like you don't know their
culture. You don't know why they do those
things. As you said, you come in the you
you leave with questions. Help me understand what we're
doing here. What are the values?
And then and then and then again a thing that I really one of the
one of the many things I stole from the US military you you
lead with service. So I I used to one one of my one
of my jobs in the past I worked for a company called Take Two.
It's like a gaming company. They're the parent of like
Rockstar Games and two Kos. So, and I was a data senior data
engineer over there and I was responsible for building this
kind of a a a new way, building a new way, a new system for
building a specific category of software.
So it wasn't just a piece of software it was like an entire
OK, so so a lot of the junior and mid level engineers working
around me, like they didn't, they didn't report to me.
Like I had to convince them. I had to get them on board, but
they didn't have to listen to me.
So you know, I would talk to them.
The first thing I'd I'll talk to them respectfully.
And the second thing I do is I'll talk to them as if I was
trying to help them because I was trying to help them.
And so I'd be like, hey, you know, when you get a chance come
do a ride along with me. Jump on a screen share.
I'm working on a data pipeline for so and so come check out
this tooling I've got. Maybe you'll think it's
horseshit. Maybe you think it's useful.
But check it out, because I'm writing data pipelines really
fast and I was able to get them on board because I wasn't
browbeating them. I wasn't insulting them.
I was like, hey, you know something?
I think you will generate more value for the company if you get
to sit around and think for longer.
Like you shouldn't have to type so much.
Like your value as an engineer is, is is between your ears, not
not at the end of your arms. So if you use this tooling, if
you use the system I'm designing, you'll be able to sit
and think more. And that's good.
And they were down with that because that's what software
engineers like to do. They signed up to sit and think
about problems and then, you know, write a little bit of
code, you know. So yeah, this is, it goes back
to the whole thing. And by the way, that idea, the
idea of leading by service, yeah, that's also a very
Christian idea, yes. Yeah.
Model the way you want people to see it.
What do they say? The the best Christian
preachers, right. They're always preaching and
some of them, some are speaking, you know, some of the time.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. You know, if you want people to,
if you want, and this is the story, this is, this is the
oldest story. It's like you want to model the
behavior, you want people to see when people go like, man, that
guy seems like he's really got his, his shit squared away.
What is he doing? What is he all about?
Like, why does he do it that way?
And then they start asking. That's called getting permission
to give people information. And we used to always, I mean I
used to do sales, right. So I used to do that.
And and everybody's always selling.
If you don't know, you are in a sales job.
We're all in the sales job every day, all the time.
Even when I was an FBI agent, when I was a paramedic, it was a
sales job. The sales job is I have a thing
that I'm doing and I'm and I want you to be on board with it.
And so I got to get your permission to sell it to you and
then and then you're going to buy in and you're buying as a
permission for me to actually do the thing that I do.
That's right. So we're we're constantly doing
that. We're doing that through
preaching. You know preaching is is is
permission based. You're knocking on the door.
You're asking hey can I talk to you about this message I have
and people go, no, it's dinner time.
It's a bad time and you go OK, sorry to have bothered you.
What would be a good time to come back Because then you're
always doing the follow up right.
But in the same in the same way if you're you're working with
those software, the younger minds you're saying, hey I I got
this thing would you come take a look at it.
Would you be interested, would you would you accept my would
you accept what I'm doing and take some time with me.
Is there value in that? And they go, OK, sure, yeah,
I'll just come think about that with you And then yeah, you're
getting permission and then you go, would this be of value to
you later. And they go, yeah and you go,
can I show you a little more? They go, yeah, you can.
So now, now, now you've got buy in and we're constantly doing
that. So we can we need to be doing
this buy in I think again with with the political process as
well. Yes, Sir.
The the doors open we've got room that sounds like we have a
we have a massive audience of of non turning out voters that we
need to get excited about it which I think is very
interesting and you've turned me to that which I hadn't thought
about previously. That's right.
And and that means that states that are generally thought of to
not be in play, that all the great minds think can't be
turned, that's. Right they.
Probably are. I don't think those people are
great mathematicians. They may understand how
elections have worked based on the structure that exists, but
not based on upsetting that structure, which is what you're
talking about. Yes, yes.
And so, yeah, I mean, and I think that's right.
And and look, I think at the end of the day, so you mentioned
elections. That's, that's one part of it.
That's 1/2 of the picture. The other half of the picture
is, is re enchanting the world. It is that we have to also read,
you know, it's not just about talking to people about
elections. It's about inviting people to
reach for a different instrument.
That's the phrase I always use. It is about inviting people to
reach for an instrument other than government to solve
problems, you know, which is. Theoretically what Christians
and and conservatives keep saying, it's like, hey, you know
what a better thing is than giving a bunch of money through
some garbage government program that's not well run.
How about a bunch of people that volunteer to do with their own
time and their own money? How about we have values and we
hold people up and we want to lift them up and we want to do
it for the right reason, not because we have our money taken
at the point of a gun. Which is correct.
Taxes work. Correct.
But I I will also say that, you know, one thing that
conservatives have all have to fix if they're going to be
effective is to get off this libertarian bandwagon.
Because that's just as bad. Yeah, explain that because I
think that'll that'll that'll hit people in the eyes.
Well, so, so look, you know, and I have, I have libertarian
friends. I'm not mad at them.
I love my libertarian peoples. But libertarianism is a stance.
It's not a complete doctrine. Why not?
Because if you're going to tell me that man should be free, then
my next question is, well, what is man?
Is man just a species of talking meat?
Is man just an accident? Because if man is an accident,
or if he's talking meat, or if he's just a collection of atoms,
there's no particular reason why man should be free.
There's no particular reason why you should respect man.
I mean, I have lots of collections of atoms here in my
studio, right? And I can do what I want with
them. I can throw them away.
I can throw them in the fire. OK, so, so my Christian friends
who are libertarian, they have a complete doctrine because they
started with an operating system, right?
That prescribes the proper relationship between men and
other things in the world, and above it, so to speak.
And then they run a program of libertarianism on top.
Of it. And then you can now you can run
that libertarianism routine on that Christian operating system.
Correct. Because the operating system is
telling you what goes where and how to put First things first
and so on and so forth. But you just can't say, well, I
don't, you know, man's an accident.
We're all just animals. But you should be free.
Three or four times. So I was going to hone in on
that, but that's what it lies. It's like and and and to to zone
in specifically, right, you know.
Some of these things, some of the things we have, the problems
we have to solve, are not amenable to sound bites.
I'm very sorry. You know, in some cases we need
less government. In some cases the problem is we
didn't have enough government. I'll give you an example.
We had a financial crisis, housing crisis, remember.
And the problem, you know, our our conservative, our so-called
conservative. Brethren said at the time that
the problem with with the 2008 housing crash was dumb black
people getting a subprime mortgages.
Now that wasn't the problem at all, but that's how they get
down. The problem is that we allowed
people to do crazy stuff with derivatives.
We, we invited them to play with financial nitroglycerin, as
Warren Buffett called it. Yeah, and to sprinkle that all
over everyone's portfolio in the form of these CDO's, these
derivatives basically. And derivatives are very
dangerous. I mean they're a very useful
technology. But if you, if you, if you have
no controls, you can get very bad results very quickly.
I'll never forget one of the oldest and most kind of like
revered trading firms in Britain.
A firm called Bearings PLC was taken out in the course of a
weekend by one guy trading derivatives on a desk in
Singapore. So these things are not to be
messed with. OK, Now, so so we had a law, a
regulation in place that said that retail banks are not
allowed to make high risk investments, not not to play
with derivatives in that way, right.
It was called Glass Steagall. It's a firewall between high
risk finance and retail banking because retail banking bank
accounts, right. Have a federal backstop.
They're insured by the FDIC. OK, So someone dismantled that
firewall and as a result, retail banks were able to to play with
financial nitroglycerin. Yeah.
And as a result, the effects of that crash, when it happened,
were much worse than they had to be.
Now was that OK, a case of too few regulations or too many
regulations? Well, in in that case, it was
like we we dismounted A regulation.
We should have kept. You see, we, we keep missing
because we don't have the correct logos.
We keep missing the point about scale that people like
Chesterton and Belloc got very well.
And for that matter, a lot of older, you know, older
generation conservatives, conservatives from a century ago
kind of understood which is that scale matters, which is that
capitalism works best when there's lots of small
capitalists. But but that requires a state
that is at the very least going to clamp down on economic rent
seeking. What do you think about the
whole the whole situation when the whole too big to fail?
Arguments were made, and my whole thought was it's supposed
to fail. And then a bunch of small
investors are supposed to come in and buy up the means of
capital and start new experiments that are more
nimble. That's the whole point.
Well, sure, but not if it's bigger than a certain amount.
I mean, here's the thing. I mean, yes, you're right.
But here's. The problem You know, you can't
let a company get so big that its failure would would be a
systemic threat to the economy. Because when it gets to that
point, it doesn't matter how libertarian that politician is.
It doesn't matter how much Hayek or Milton Friedman or Adam Smith
he's read. He's not going to do nothing.
The political imperative to just do something will be too great.
You don't understand what I'm saying.
So the answer is yes. Companies that do bad things or
that handle money badly or make bad investments are supposed to
fail. But companies must not be
allowed to get so large that their failure would be a
systemic threat to the economy. Because by the time they get
that big luck, no politician will let them.
It's not going to happen. I'm sorry, that's utopian
thinking. They will step in.
OK, so, so that's the thing, you know, why are there so few banks
in, in, in, in, in America? Why are there not 100,000
different banks? Because there's there's too much
of A regulatory burden on banking.
OK. So reasoning from first
principles, not trying to say just deregulate everything, but
thinking rationally will, is there a tier, Is there a banking
tier that we can have where things can be more fast and
loose and can we preserve? Can we still preserve security
for people who just want to put their money somewhere and know
it's going to be there the next day?
You know, we have to really start reasoning kind of more
deeply about this stuff because again, these our systems are
complex and some of the problems that that that that we have are
complex problems and most solutions to complex problems
are wrong. Yeah, that checks.
And also it makes sense that people that are interested in
software would be. A really good group of people to
talk to about this problem because if there's a lot of
similarities there's subroutines there's primary routines there's
you know some you know there's a lot of different outputs that
are also getting regenerated back as inputs and and they're
going into other you know places within that same sort of you
know I like I said my my understanding of code is is
cursory at best. I I I did some Java I did some
C++ I was terrible at all of it. But I understand the principles
of it. I can look at it and see OK
that's what this thing's doing and putting out and we're
dealing with a massively complex system with a lot of inputs a
lot of outputs and a lot of variables that change regularly.
So if that's the case, this is not a, this is not a simple.
This is why the. I always feel.
Like the sort of the left isn't like what we're saving the
world. We just got to stop Carbon.
You know what's funny? I see.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
Well, this isn't a conversation for another day, but I always
feel like the CIA does single factor analysis all the time
too. It's like, oh, there are guys,
this is the problem. We'll just kill that guy.
We create power vacuums over and over again like they've never
seen it happen before. And you just keep thinking like,
guys, this is not a simple system.
This is an entire society. They have an entire ethos.
There's a way of life that was created.
That person is integral to it. And you think just like cutting
off the head of something and something new is going to grow
back that you like and that's going to change the bottom.
Like, no. You just, you know, it's so
weird. What's fascinating about you
saying that as I I was just. Reading this sub stack called
it's called Gaius Baltar Sub Stack and he I think he said
something that was very similar. It's like we have these people
who just want to look at one thing and and they want to
fixate on well, well it. It's part of the progressive
mindset. I did a Space a while ago where
I talked about the progressive mindset.
It was me and and and my my friend Sean who Co hosts the
Hidden Path Conservative Space series with me.
And one of the things I was saying was in the conservative
mindset is characterized by by three things.
The conservative mindset wants to analyze right it.
It wants to eradicate and wants to subjugate.
So if you think about analysis, right, it's it's like the
conservative mind wants to dissect something and try to
understand it based on its parts in isolation.
But that just doesn't work, Do you know what I'm saying?
It's like it's not, yeah, you can't do that.
You can't. You know you can't.
You you can do that if you want to understand.
That part. But to understand how that part
actually functions, it's just not that simple.
Correct. And and we've we've kind of
decided that, I don't know, we want it to be that simple.
Or maybe it's another form of narcissism, like we think, yeah,
I should be able to understand this or I've.
I've focused on this for 10 years.
So this is the answer. But I mean, you know, look, I
see this with some of these PayPal conservatives that happen
to be obsessed with race and IQ. They're like, well, race and IQ,
Race and IQIQIQIQ. Listen, listen, it's true that
you have to have higher than a certain baseline ability to
manipulate abstract ideas if you want to, for example, write
software. But it's also true that once you
hit, once you pass that threshold, additional points
don't necessarily buy you any additional capability.
That's because past that threshold, now other things
start to be more. Important, Like your ability.
To communicate your ability to write a good document, your
ability to think about whether how I should word this error
message that I'm writing into my code so the next guy who comes
and is trying to use my horseshit code can see what the
hell is going on without spending 15 minutes running down
blind alleys. Let's, well, let's bring it
into. Let's break it into a different
analogy. Check this out.
It's like, you could you? Can increase the horsepower of
an engine to a certain point. But if your transmission and you
don't have enough friction at the wheel, you're spinning
tires. So who cares?
Spinning tires exactly. And and there's a there's a lot
of that in history of. Really, really smart people.
To get 0. Things done because they're.
So smart they can't transmit it. So there's there's other factors
in that in that problem and I agree with you 100% on all of
that, right. I mean, I mean, who was smarter,
like Robert Oppenheimer or Leslie Grove?
Well, I think Oppenheimer was smarter, but like you wouldn't
have had a Manhattan Project without Leslie Grove, and and
Oppenheimer wasn't the guy to build the Manhattan.
Pray couldn't have done it. Think about all the people out
there that have come up with theoretically amazing ideas and
it. Takes like some high school
education machinist to be able to turn it into reality.
That's exactly. And if you don't have respect
for all the parts in the machine, then you're also a
fool. Like, you've got to respect the
person that can theorize it. You've also got to respect the
person that has the hard skills to turn into reality.
I used to go down to the machine shop in the engineering school
at Oklahoma, and I remember one time that something just blew me
away. And you see somebody that's
really, really good at their trade.
And I loved, I love tradesmen. Like, I just think that that's
such a it's such a lost value that you don't look at like a
journeyman in a trade. And you're like, this person is
where the rubber meets the road. I brought this guy.
I brought this guy a a threaded piece and I wanted to to match
the threads onto this tiny little pipe that I had and he
looked at it and he goes musical application and I was like yeah
this thread's into the bottom. Of a into a microphone.
How did you know that? And he was like, man, when
you've been around thread like machine threads for as long as I
have, like you just know that there are certain common threads
that you can eyeball and you know what they're used for.
Wow, that was like, holy shit, that is freaking cool, right?
If. If you showed somebody A.
Piece of pipe that was threaded on the end and he goes, that
goes and that's a musical application like wow how?
And that was probably like a. No brainer for him.
He just probably just like that was just, you know, that was
like if I held you up a hamburger and you're like,
that's a burger. Like that's how easy that was
for him. That's right.
And by the way, it's not clear to me that of course he.
Has you. You would assume he has a
certain ability to manipulate abstract ideas, because that's
kind of what machinists do when they think about jigging
something up and they think about tool holding and the
mental modeling, how machining out some key way in a piece of
metal is going to change the metal and the whatever and the
stress is granted. But like that thing where you
could just say, Oh yeah, music, you know, that's a thing for a
mic stand or whatever. It's not clear to me that you
can measure that capability using IQ or any other.
No, there's a there's like a visual recognition there.
It's like somebody who can shoot that may be dumb as a brick.
But you know they can hit a target that's moving at you
know, they're doing calculus in their head that is that is
following a parabolic arc that is, you know, dealing with
gravity and and some, you know some shape that is catching the
air differently and the smoke. You're like, I don't know,
hitting a baseball out of the park.
Like do you have to be brilliant?
No. But you got to have some.
You have to have a three-dimensional view of the
world that you're conceptualizing and your hands
are able to do the thing that your mind imagines and you're
transmitting it into reality. So yeah.
Again I horsepower, we always talk about intellectual
horsepower. My buddies and I use this word
and that's just the raw ability to to to grab data and ideas and
and work them. And I have some friends with a
really really high degree of intellectual horsepower.
Yeah, but not all of them can get anything done in the world,
correct. This is very important.
And like I said, where the rubber meets the road is
somebody who's got good. Transmission, you've got to be
able to take that. Horsepower and move it through
and turn it into an actual functional friction based
propulsion. It's got to go somewhere if you
wanted to do something and and we all need a little bit of all
of that. Like I love having super smart
people that go, what about all these problems And you go, yeah,
yeah, yeah, OK we're just going to do something and this is the
thing we're going to do, right. It's going to brute force it.
Right. Yeah.
Thank you for thinking of all the problems.
We're just going to. We're going.
To muddle through it and then by the way, I'm going to.
Need you to troubleshoot it as we go.
That's right, because we're going to do something that's
exactly right. Otherwise we just sit there and
we do analysis. Paralysis.
Which is what I call it well. That's right, but.
As you bring that up I I just just tonight I was working on
this. Project Shout out to By the way.
Shout out to Dana Lash who is one of the real ones.
She gave me a a a an interview. She gave me a mic to talk about
my case. And her husband, Chris Lash is
mad cool. And so, you know, apropos of
what we've just been talking about, like, I've been working
on this. Hold on, let me put you full
screen here. OK, What do we got here?
Yeah. OK, so Chris Lash was.
Working on. We we were D Ming back and forth
and he he talked about the need to do shot registration at a
shooting range, right? So he'd have some.
The, the scenario he painted for me roughly was you've got some
training software, right? That's doing something, it's
running on a phone or on a laptop or whatever and and
somehow like you need to register the fact that you,
this, a particular shooter with a pistol, actually fired his
weapon at such and such a time, right?
So just taking that idea, you know, we were talking back and
forth and he said at one point he said, well, maybe we could
have. I've been thinking about a way
to profile the sound of a shot. You know, could you write some
software that could fingerprint the, could do the Sonic
fingerprint of a particular gunshot?
And I said, well, you know, maybe, but I'm, you know, one,
I'm a big skeptic about so-called AI and things like
that. And two, it's just, it just
seemed to me to to too much of a heavy lift.
The transient, the the the Sonic transient is way short.
And also there's interruptive sounds that's always like the
sound waves get interrupted as they move.
Yeah, yeah. OK, I'm with you.
So, so I started thinking and I came back to him and I said hey,
listen. Maybe we brute force this
problem, and maybe what we do is we have a little thing that's
worn on the shooter's wrist or on his sleeve.
And there's an accelerometer and there's A and there's a
microphone. And the accelerometer will pick
up the recoil transient, The microphone will pick up the shot
report. And those two correlated
together in time, will tell you that that particular shooter
fired his weapon. I mean, you'll hear the the mic
will pick up other shot reports because you're in a shooting
range, right? But if there's not, if there's
not the signature of recoil that goes on in the accelerometer,
then it doesn't. Happen then It doesn't happen
exactly. So this is part one of that I
I'm calling it Osiris, I told. Him.
I'd work on it and work it up and then we'd.
I'd open source it so that if I go to prison someone can still
pick up the coding needs. So basically this is, do you
want to know something that's crazy?
Garmin already has accelerometers built into their.
Into their their watches. I'm sure they do.
Yeah. I I looked at that.
Actually I looked at some Garmin watches, but my thing.
Is you'd have to buy a Garmin watch this, this prototype
platform, like like this you're looking at maybe 30 bucks worth
of parts. OK, like, that's it.
Hold on. Let me put it back full screen
again. There it goes.
Yeah, so basically this is this is the accelerometer chip.
Right, this is a single. Board computer, basically it's
an Arduino, but it's made by a company called Adafruit and
this, this is designed to be sewed onto clothing.
I think this whole thing, this little single board computer is
like 14 bucks, right? So I just essentially spun up a
little bit of code. Hang on a SEC.
I'm going to share the screen here.
Let's see. Can I share that screen?
Can I do that? No.
Wait a minute. One second.
I know what I need to do.
I need to open up this window. There we go.
OK, so now I'm going to share my screen.
Maybe share the window. Yes, I will.
OK, you share the window. So let me let me grab it.
I can grab it from here and throw it on one second here, OK?
OK, cool. Yep.
OK, bear with me a moment. No problem.
I'm betting I can put it in guest.
Two. Let's do it here, OK.
And I'm going to keep that muted and.
I'm going to open that. Let's see if we can make this.
Happen here. All right.
Up. Now you're muted.
Hold on. Talk.
Yep. One. 2345, got it.
OK. We're on it.
OK. So if you if you can see that.
My guest, Mike, I didn't set. Up for another guest.
So let me pull off this scared of.
Boil, There we go. All right, there's your code.
OK, so can you see the The code isn't important because it's
like copy pasta mostly. It's not, it's not very
complicated. It's just it's just pulling the
accelerometer is all you know and saying hey, what?
What? Right?
But if you look at the bottom half of the screen you see, you
should see numbers scrolling by, right?
Yep, XLXYZ, right? So there's and you know this and
and so I don't know if people can see, but when I jerk the,
when I when I twist it one way or another, the numbers change
in a certain way and that tells me that the X axis is the one
I'm interested in. That's the transient.
So, so basically that this, this accelerometer goes on the
person's wrist, so does this, The whole thing probably gets
sewn onto a kind of a sleeve or a glove, a shooting glove with a
long sleeve. So all the parts can be in one
place. But basically this is the
beginning of Osiris open shot registration system.
And so that is, if I can do this and I can add a mic and I'll
show you. I actually bought a miniature.
I actually bought a miniature mic.
Secure. Let me get your full screen
here. There it is.
No your full screen. There's your full screen.
So this is this is the miniature mic right here.
Nice. So right.
So very. Small so you know everything
just goes on a glove or a sleeve or what have you.
And you again, you pick up the recoil transient.
You pick up the Sonic transient. I lost all of them.
Hold on, I got to get you back. That's what I get.
I tried to hang up on his extra screen.
Y'all we'll we'll get at the top back in here again.
That's classic. Right when he's telling me his
cool invention. In any case, you guys can kind
of see what was going on with that little piece of tech, which
is pretty neat. We'll get, we'll get my man
Dexter back here just a second and we'll wrap this sucker up
because I think that there he is.
Hold on. We got to get some audio
unmuted. Check, 1-2.
There he is. All right, brother.
I just yeah, I I disconnected from your share.
Screen but it knocked out both you oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
So yeah, this, this plus the accelerometer plus a single
board. Computer give and then I I I
bought AI bought a Wi-Fi chipset.
So again another very small part you can power the whole thing
with like a 9 Volt battery pack or whatever and and then it
should be able to transmit those.
You know when it when when it does a shot registration, it can
just transmit that chunk of data to whatever shooting platform,
whatever training platform you have.
Like, I don't care what you're using, yeah, but if you're using
like Mantis X or something like that, running across a bunch of
different people, you can see all these.
Different shooters doing Mantis X on one side, something like
that. Yeah, yeah, very cool.
So fun stuff. But I mean but but all that by
way of saying that. Like you know, sometimes,
sometimes you want to burn a lot of you want to burn a lot of CPU
to get something done. Other times you're like, no,
just brute force it. Like try something simple, you
know? Yeah, you know, that's the kind
that's the kind of stuff I love and this kind of stuff.
If if New York. State.
Wasn't wasn't messing with my life.
I'd be doing kind of like all the time, like developing
products and and and tech and and yeah, I love this.
And what's more American than finding something you love doing
your hobby on? It and trying to improve it for
the next generation like that's kind of what it's all about.
Let's give people just a an overview of what we're expecting
in the next little bit what you guys had in your opening
statements and and then we'll wrap the sucker up since we've
been going at it for a little bit.
But I think people have I think people need to follow this case.
So first of all let me, I've been throwing it on the screen
left and right. So I'll throw it again.
That is your handle on Twitter where people can follow you and
they can see the updates. It's future radiocast, all
spelled out Future radiocast. All right, Dexter, give them,
give them the lay of the land for this, for this court
situation. Yeah.
So this was week one, basically. When we've again I was rated in
April of 2022. There have been a lot of delays,
back and forths for a while. We were waiting on data from the
NYPD. We we filed a motion to dismiss
on brewing grounds and that required us to get certain data.
We filed A FOIA request. We got that data.
I wrote the code to transform that data so my legal team could
do analytics on it. That's also open source, by the
way. But Long story short, here we
are. We did jury selection that that.
It took about a week or so for us to get a jury to impanel a
full jury. So we finally seated the last
juror, the last alternate this week and we started opening
arguments was with opening arguments on Thursday I believe.
And I have to say so far, look, I don't want to jinx myself by
gloating over the over the mistakes of my adversary, but so
far the prosecution has not covered itself in glory.
You know the the, the game. The fix is definitely in.
It's clear that New York State that the court itself is kind of
inclined to put its finger on the excuse me, its thumb on the
scale right on the side of the prosecution.
So for example they struck the the prosecution struck every
every strong black male figure from the jury panel.
My jury panel is is is. My jury is is mostly women and
and three white guys now taking nothing away from my white
brethren. It's supposed to be a jury of my
peers. I, I I would have liked to see
one or two working class black guys that would have been nice.
One would think there was one guy.
There was one guy that they that they struck that they struck who
literally he worked at a law firm.
He worked with like a like a man, like copy center guy, copy
center technician in a law firm downtown.
He had a brother in Homeland Security and another one in the
police. We liked him.
The prosecution struck him again.
Strong black guy. Couldn't have that.
Anyway, I like this jury. I actually like the jury we got.
Because they're ordinary New Yorkers, like most of they're
working people. They're women who have to, like,
get on the subway every day. Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, like they're people who understand that people go home
every night and like, look at the news and see the craziness
happening in our city. And the prosecution has to
persuade them to look at me and say, yeah, put this guy away for
18 years. He's dangerous because he was
making things right with the opportunity cost is that we're
going to waste all of our time running after Dexter.
But we're not going to go and fix your subway problems where
we got this going on. We're not going to spend our
energies doing things that, you know, that are going to really
materially affect you. But this guy who was making
stuff in his house and never left with him, right?
That's real scary. Yeah, so.
So that's a tough. Sell.
I got to sell to like, even even the people that think guns are
bad. Right, right.
That's that's a pretty tough sell.
It's like, you're, what, 51? 52 years old, Yeah, yeah, 5353.
53 years on the planet, no real problems.
With guns. Guns that Never.
Left his house, tinkering on stuff.
Has some pretty. Interesting ideas that he wants
to. Share with people you don't.
Have to agree with him or not and like whatever.
Not not causing any problems. He's just your neighbor.
Right. And you got neighbors that that
like you, I think. Right?
That sounds like neighbors. Yep.
My got neighbors that like me. You know my upstairs neighbor
he's mad cool. You're you're.
Not doing desktops down there in your apartment like being a
menace to society. Jesus.
No, you're you're looking at buying land in New Hampshire.
Like some kind of, you know, radical, but other than that?
Don't start with that. How how many people in New York
are thinking? Like, yeah, I'd like to have a
place somewhere. Up in the.
Whatever's north of New York, they don't really know what's up
there. They never leave, but right.
But they well, they've gone to the country once or twice on a
weekend or something, right? Yeah.
Well, my ex-wife, my ex wife's family used to have a place in
New Hampshire. And it's like a family vacation
place up in here, but that was like further north of New
Hampshire. It was a very long drive.
But when I was thinking and it was great up there, you know,
and that was one of the times we went up there was was was damn,
I lost my strength. I'm sorry.
It's it's it's relative freedom up there in New Hampshire it's
relative it's relative freedom. It's not Texas.
Let's just be real. But it's not Texas.
Well, no. No place is.
Texas and don't. Remember, I love.
I like Texas, I got to tell. You the last, the last little
thing about Texas in New York, because there's a, there's a,
there's a connection there there's.
A bridge, right? OK, tell me so.
My wife's from Brooklyn, all right?
And she got friends from New York that would get married.
We were going to weddings and stuff.
And I I played this game caught called not only but also OK, I
made it up. It's a game I made-up with New
Yorkers. Only it's only.
New Yorkers, 'cause they're the best, yeah, so New Yorkers would
come up to you and they'd go, hey, man.
I heard you're from. Texas, I'd go, yeah, that's
true. And they would go, man, I heard
in Texas everybody's got a gun. And I was like, not only that,
but also there's a $50 a year household.
Fine if you. Don't own a gun.
I'm like, obviously we can't enforce it.
We don't go knocking on doors or anything.
Crazy. I'm just saying it's on the.
Books, though. And people be like, that's cool,
so crazy. And they would get so excited
about it. You know, 'cause New Yorkers are
real enthusiastic and somebody else will come up later.
On they go, they go, hey, Kyle, I heard you're from Texas.
Yeah, that's true. I heard people still ride horses
to work in Texas. Not only that, but also every
single publicly funded. Building has to have a.
Hitching post out in front of it.
Now, mostly these things are ornamental at this point, and
they're kind of just a thing they do.
For show, but I'm just saying. It's out there.
It's on the books. You got to have it.
And that's crazy. I don't know.
New Yorkers are susceptible to the not only, but also Texas
myth. But I used to laugh because the
things that New York holds true about itself are more or less
actually true in Texas. About a lot of the things yeah.
So there's that and and and that's and that's actually a
kinship that's not that's not a rivalry there's actually there's
a there's an affinity there and and sort of a love.
So I I always find that New Yorkers that come to Texas they
they fit in more than they think they will because I I there's a
sense there of of of belonging. Well, you know, I, I I I wanted
to. I'm glad you mentioned this,
because I I've wanted. To I've been thinking about this
for a long time. You know, people forget that
this supposed schism between city dwellers and country people
is a very recent thing. It's in a very artificial thing.
I mean in, in other words, put it this way.
Remember, I grew up in New York City, right in in the 70s and
80s. I mean, I remember what was,
what decade was that Dukes of Hazzard.
Like, There was certain, like, like all of us, of all colors
used to get in front of the TV on Friday nights or whenever
'cause we wanted to see him jump the General Lee.
That's right, We didn't. We didn't care that there was a
Confederate battle flag on the roof.
We could not have cared less. We wanted to see him jump, that
there's a flying car and we're watching.
It's a flying dude. Come on, there's car chases.
And cops and looks like there's. Dudes like, you know, a
distilling moonshine. Yeah, they're running liquor.
Get it, get it? Running liquor.
Getting the better of the cops. What is?
Not to and everybody. 'S on burl, right?
Come on. And you know, there used to be a
comedian named Jerry. Clower the mouth.
The mouth of the South. He was this white cat from
Liberty, Ms. He used to rock shows all over the country,
including in cities like in in New York City, Madden Square
Garden. He was immensely popular.
New York City had a country and western music radio station when
I was growing up. It's called WHN.
So I grew up listening to kind of funk and R&B and country
music. So I know about like Mel Tillis
and Merle Haggard and Emmylou Harris and Willie Nelson and
like Waylon Jennings and like you know, outlaw country and all
that stuff like and and so this I, I, I very much resonate with
with what you're saying about you know, there being this not
being as much of A chasm between New York City and and Texans for
example, as people would think. I mean what's his name?
Hank Williams Junior wrote a song called the Country Boys.
Country Boys can't survive. And one of the lyrics is like, I
had a good friend in New York City.
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly.
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land and him his taught
him to be a businessman. I he, he used to send me
pictures of the Broadway nights and I'd send him some homemade
wine. You know.
And when I was like, as a kid, I was like, I want to taste some
homemade wine. It's like, what is that?
You know? But anyway, everybody's
interested in the thing that they don't have near them.
But it doesn't mean they fear it or they hate it.
There's a natural American curiosity towards the thing that
is not. That's why people who live.
In the city want to. Have a country house, and that's
why people who are from the country want to go hang out and
live in the city when they're kids.
I mean, how many young people come in and move to Los Angeles?
And New York, when they're young and they're.
From somewhere in the middle of nowhere, like they're in the
middle of Iowa and they grew up on a farm and they want to go
make it as it's something and they realize like, you know
what, I'm actually going to raise my kids back where I came
from. I like that better.
And city people do the same thing.
They go, look, I know the city or maybe they don't.
Maybe they say, oh, I resonate here because my values have
moved, because the values that I, I believe are not here in the
city anymore. It doesn't mean that their
values didn't used to be there. So anyway, I don't, I don't
think we're all that dissimilar. I think there's a lot more
connection in this country than there.
It just takes a couple of people talking about it.
That's right. And and I think our so-called
leaders are terrified. Of us kind of bridging that gap
and just talking to each other and reasoning with each other, I
think. I think that people like me,
talking to people like you, talking to people like my my
friends from down South or from other red states or what have
you, they're terrified that we're going to start kind of
reasoning about what's happening to us as Americans and look at
each other and be like, wait a minute, hang on a second,
Somebody doing something slick, somebody convinced America that
they're not the good guys. And you know what?
That's the thing that I. Want to conserve and my buddy
said it the other day. Best, My buddy Mark Naughton was
like, I want to preserve and conserve, or at least try to
regain that sense that we thought we were a moral force
for good because we were actually doing good.
We believe we are doing good. Even if we were misled, we were
still trying to do good. And America always saw itself as
an underdog. An underdog is inherently going
against something that's harder. It's like and and even if that
that thing that's hard is like just the tide of humanity always
going the wrong direction. It's like America was trying to
swim upstream. Always has.
If we got back to that, we got to the point where we were like
we're the bad guy because we had all the things.
Well, I think I I mean to be fair, I I think the imperial.
Project is part of that. I think the imperial project
corrupts, will corrupt the soul of a country, Do you know what
I'm saying? It's like Rome started to go
wrong when it became an empire because when the imperative of
empire was was to keep expanding and then they had to, they had
to like. You know, debase their.
Currency and hire mercenaries and doing all this stuff.
So it's like if if we could get back to our logos, our secular
logos and our Christian logos, if we could, if we could
dispense with the imperial project, I think we could start
to really turn things around in this country.
And I'm not. I make no warrant as to how long
that'll take. Oh, I think it'll take a long
time. Yeah, I think you're right.
But that's OK. We just, you know you you don't
get. Fat overnight.
You don't get lean overnight. It takes, it's a process.
And we have gotten to the point where this country is addicted
to comfort. But that is to say that we are
cursed with abundance. Yes.
And so that and that's that the Imperial project you're talking
about that that abundance. Comes from and then.
Once you do that, once you chase in abundance because that's what
you think is standard. Yeah, that's OK.
Seven lean years. We can we can make that happen.
That's right. We might be in that.
We might be seeing that whether we like it or not.
All right. I hope you will keep updating us
about the the court thing where can people follow the, the best
place to follow the updates on the court case.
Well, I mean I I try to do a a a space.
They got to sign up for Twitter. They got to they they they got
to be on Twitter, unfortunately. But I try to do a space.
Every night or so, just saying how things went in court this
next week is not going to be very interesting.
The prosecution is going to be bringing the evidence, right.
Like all my my weapons that I built, you know, my weapons
parts on and entering them into evidence that's going to sting a
little bit. Well, yeah.
Like, see, it's stung. They they started doing that.
Yesterday and that did sting. Seeing all my babies up there
I'm like because you know they they bring the bailiff would
bring the exhibit over to our table and I'd be like that's
that's alpha. OK that's Diana.
That's the rifle I built for my daughter that epoch.
That's the experimental polymer carbine I built to try to
because I was interested in certain design characteristics
of polymer lowers. And it's like, damn, like the
state's got them, you know, and I and I might have to sue them
to get them to get them back. You know, that's assuming I stay
out of prison. But it is what it is.
You know, we are where we are and you know that.
Put it this way, I'm, I'm reconciled to this fight.
Whichever way this goes, whichever way this trial goes
like this, this is going to change things And and I'm as you
know, I'm I'm in it to win it. I mean you know that the state
offered me a plea deal for eight years instead of 18.
I turned it down, you know, so, so it's like let's go.
By the way, before we go. What was funny, in the opening,
in the pre trial festivities, the prosecution had a big
problem, had big problems with a lot of stuff.
They had a problem with the fact that I was doing so for me, I
was talking about the case. They tried to get the judge to
admonish the defense. She slapped them down twice.
They told a big hairy lie in open court that me and my lawyer
got into an elevator with two prospective jurors and I guess,
I guess they forgot that the elevators have cameras in them.
So that was that was interesting.
And you know, they even, they even they didn't even like the
fact that I interacted with my family.
You know, the first day this week, like my my parents came.
My upstairs neighbor came, his girlfriend, their friends.
You know, when I was I, I was greeting my people in the
hallway. And we're just, you know, loving
on each other what have you. And the prosecution did not like
that at all. Well, you're you're supposed to
act guilty is what they want. I'm supposed to act guilty.
That's correct. Yeah.
So again, I'm again, I'm not going to.
Exult in whatever errors they make, because that's bad juju.
But I will say that, you know, we we so far we have no 'cause
to be particularly uneasy, aside from the fact that we're in this
mess in the 1st place. Yeah, horrible fight for all,
for a lot of the marbles. Maybe not all of them.
Yeah, a lot of them, yeah. A lot of them, yeah.
Yeah, so, so, yeah, follow my, follow my.
Twitter you know Future Radio cast on Twitter and yeah, that's
it. Dexter.
Oh, I I do have, I do have a give, send go.
Yeah, I don't really. I think.
Hold on. Do I have that saved?
I had it. I grabbed.
It. I know I did.
Oh, you know what? It's in the show notes, folks.
So the link link, yeah, the link is in the show notes and also
the link for the Twitter. So you could find both of them
there. And I know it's in your Twitter
bio. People could find it there.
Yeah, Link 2 is in my Twitter bio.
I'm like, I know I was like, I wouldn't gather that.
I know. I grabbed it.
Yeah, Yeah. But I I don't.
I try not to push that too hard, because I'm not.
I'm broke, but I also know that a lot of other people are
struggling as well. I'm grateful to everyone.
I'm grateful to people who just pray for me or just send good
vibes out for me. And yeah, we'll see.
We'll see what happens. Amen.
Yes, Sir. All right, brother.
We'll talk again real soon. And thanks for spending.
The next the last two and a. Half hours with me kind of kind
of cutting it up on all the topics that people can see.
You get a good sense of what it is.
Make sure you guys are following Dexter and we will see you again
on Monday morning for the next non Saturday night special
version. This has been a pretty special
offering. And Dex, thanks for thanks for
being on it Bud. Thanks, brother.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to wrap it all up.
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