1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,720 The pro-life movement, it's like mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy to 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,200 the point where you look at their banners and the reason 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,480 they're trying to fight abortion is because they're trying to 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,240 protect women. So it'll actually say we're 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,360 trying to protect women and babies. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,120 And you're like, really? Well, don't spend some time on 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,200 the pro-choice websites or in the pro-choice groups on 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Facebook or Twitter and tell me what those women are interested 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,520 in. They're shouting their abortions 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,640 and they're talking about their 9th, 10th, 11th abortion, and 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,560 they're like purposely going to conceive a child so they can go 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,600 pop a pill on the steps of the Supreme Court. 13 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,480 And you're trying to protect women from abortion. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,600 How about protect these babies from these murderous women? 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,160 Now, all interviewers have their own style, and my style is to 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,320 try to get to the point and to be intensely curious. 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,200 And the key to is listening. Take a look behind the curtain 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,600 with a real whistleblower and American patriot. 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,840 Prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth because this 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,520 program has no time for comforting lies. 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Here is civil liberties. Enthusiast, Second Amendment 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,320 defender and recovering FBI agent Kyle Seraph. 23 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,400 Today on our Sunday sit down Kyle Seraphin show, we're going 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,520 to be bringing on T Russell Hunter and he goes by Russell 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,560 Hunter. We were already cutting it up 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,440 already and he's Norman OK of all places where I went to 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,960 school. Russell, thanks for joining me 28 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:32,680 on the program. Man, happy to be here. 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,960 I'm really excited. So my wife is the biggest fan of 30 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:39,840 your work in our house and I am the second biggest fan. 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,000 But I'm, I'm, I've been, she sent me all of your clips early 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,360 on. So that's how I'm aware of who 33 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,560 you guys are even in the 1st place. 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,200 And I saw you guys in front of the Capitol the other day. 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,360 How long ago was that Capital video? 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,800 Oh, it's what, 2 weeks ago? Yeah. 37 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,800 OK. So that's 1/2. 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,840 Weeks ago, yeah, real current. But you know, we're, we're 39 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,520 already exhausting the DC footage and moving on, it seems. 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,280 But we'll have plenty of stuff coming out from DC over the next 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,320 few weeks. But that mission, that mission 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,440 was current missions. I I've slept since then, but 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 very little. Why don't we start with the name 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,280 of your organization and what that stands for? 45 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,160 Then I'd like to do kind of a profile on who you are and how 46 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,480 you got there. And I'm sure we'll just go into 47 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,600 some wild stuff based on the experience that you had. 48 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,960 Yeah, wherever you want to go on game. 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Yeah. So abolitionists rising And I I 50 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,680 try to stress the the ass on the abolitionists rising part of the 51 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,600 abolitionist movement, Christians fighting abortion 52 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,840 pretty, you know, on our face forward evangelical Christian 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,720 type folks fighting abortion, bringing the gospel into 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,680 conflict with the evil of child sacrifice. 55 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,520 The abolitionist movement's bigger than our group, but 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,160 abolitionist rising is an organization that we established 57 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,000 to try to further kind of the argument for abolishing abortion 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,160 Contra just the argument for regulating abortion. 59 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,680 And our our main, I guess our main form of attack, not by 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,960 choice, but just kind of happened to be that way, is we 61 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,680 do a bunch of St. work, street engagement, what we call 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,480 agitation. We get out in the culture and we 63 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,640 agitate people. We show them the evil of 64 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,080 abortion and get into conversations with whoever wants 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,400 to talk. We film those conversations, put 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,880 them up on YouTube. And you know, by the grace of 67 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,760 God, it's kind of blown up and done pretty well. 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,440 The message has gotten out there. 69 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,320 But beyond running the YouTube channel and getting a bunch of 70 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,160 abolitionist material out there and that form kind of our bread 71 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,880 and butter is producing materials, resources, signs, 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,400 pamphlets, that sort of thing for activists all over the globe 73 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,600 that want to, you know, kind of be sort of like the tip of the 74 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,040 spear, very radical anti abortion stuff for that's that's 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,840 the way I think we'd be seen by the broader audience. 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,080 But beyond that, you know, we're like, I'm a normal, I'm a normal 77 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,520 guy working with a bunch of normal, normal folks. 78 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,520 We're just trying to be, you know, Christians and a culture 79 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,560 that kills its children. You know, we think, we think, 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,399 well, what does it look like in a culture where they're 81 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,519 murdering children under the color of unjust laws? 82 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,280 Whatever the answer is to that, let's put that into practice. 83 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:30,000 So I've been doing that for about 15 years, I guess 15-16 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,400 years all the way back to whenever I was in school with 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,880 you at the University of Oklahoma, which is bizarre that 86 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,320 I didn't know that before We talked, you know, 10 minutes ago 87 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,360 was at the University of Oklahoma. 88 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,760 I was pursuing APHD in the history of science. 89 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,760 So I was like, I mean, I, I may not, I may, I probably sound 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,320 like it sometimes, but I'm a, I'm a history philosophy science 91 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,240 nerd. But somewhere around the fifth 92 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:06,720 year of my doctorate, I became very convicted that I was not 93 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,800 living or loving the least of these in my midst and that, you 94 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,360 know, I was turning a blind eye to the practice of child 95 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,640 sacrifice going on in my culture. 96 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,600 Very much living for myself. And, you know, had had had a 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:29,360 trajectory of, you know, being a college professor and, you know, 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,120 just, you know, not not doing much to engage the world. 99 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,240 But God got a hold of me. And according to my very liberal 100 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Darwinian secular humanist professors, I got religion and 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:47,640 dropped out of school to, to to form a cult, A cult that was, 102 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,680 you know, seeking to protect human beings who were being 103 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:58,320 murdered. So I left the secular college 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,520 environment to pursue the establishment of equal justice 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,200 under the law for preborn human beings and. 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,400 And the the term abolitionist is obviously really, really 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,920 specific. You want to kind of tell me how 108 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,880 you guys landed on that? Yeah, perfect. 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,200 So whenever I first, when I first noticed that there were 110 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,360 preborn humans that were, you know, being aborted, you know, I 111 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,760 was like most just like regular church going Christian people, 112 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,320 you know, once a year there's a sanctity of life sermon and you 113 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,360 know, abortion's bad. You vote against abortion, 114 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,840 you're pro lifer and all that kind of stuff. 115 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,360 But when I got personally convicted about it, I was like, 116 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,160 well, I got to, I got to do something. 117 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,200 I got there's an abortion clinic down the street from where I 118 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,320 live. I got to do something about 119 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,240 this. What do I do? 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,120 My, my natural instinct was to kind of look around at all the, 121 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,440 the pro-life groups and ministries and things that could 122 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,720 be done, like how can I volunteer at a crisis pregnancy 123 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,000 center? Can I, you know, give money, all 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,480 that kind of stuff. And so I, I started doing 125 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,160 research on a bunch of the pro-life groups at the same time 126 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,800 as a historian, I was already studying 19th century 127 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,480 abolitionist of transatlantic slavery and abolitionist of 128 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,880 chattel slavery. And what I was studying in 129 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,160 history and what I was studying in the current sort of pro-life 130 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,600 world, I noticed that back in the day, in the 19th century, 131 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 you had abolitionist of slavery and then you had sort of anti 132 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,640 slavery moderates. And the abolitionists were kind 133 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,160 of these sort of more wild, sort of prophetic, you know, hey, if 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,000 we don't stop doing this, God's going to judge us kind of 135 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,720 people. And they believed in total and 136 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,640 immediate abolition. Whatever anyone thinks about 137 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:53,120 that group, they get praised and heralded as being, you know, the 138 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,880 ones who were right pro lifers today, if you compared what I 139 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,400 was seeing in the pro-life groups, their ideology, their 140 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,280 strategy, their tactics, their language, like, just like their, 141 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,560 their rhetorical assaults, their, their aesthetics were 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,400 like night and day different from the abolitionists of 143 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,200 slavery. And I'd already decided that 144 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,280 these abolitionists, the William Wilber forces type in Britain 145 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,920 and then the the garrisons and the Douglass's and stuff like 146 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,960 that in America. I'd already decided in 147 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,520 historical studies that these guys were right. 148 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,800 They had the right disposition towards their battle. 149 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:38,440 And the sort of the gradual anti anti slavery people were the 150 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,640 ones that kind of delayed abolition. 151 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,480 And so the bad guys in history, the anti slavery, gradual 152 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,480 moderate type folks that had delayed it. 153 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,320 And in my understanding, a lot of understanding, a lot of 154 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,200 historians had kind of led to the Civil War because they 155 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,440 constantly put off abolition. Their ideas, their tactics, 156 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,280 their strategy were one in the same with the tactics, strategy 157 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,680 and ideology of the modern pro-life groups. 158 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,600 So I knew that I wanted to fight abortion, but I didn't want to 159 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,840 fight it in a way that I thought had been already shown to be 160 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,440 extremely ineffective in history. 161 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,320 And the other thing is, is, as you know, I was, you know, I, I, 162 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:25,640 I would never really claim to be like a, at this time back when I 163 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,880 was in grad school, a, a super Christian kind of guy. 164 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Like, I, I mean, I wasn't non Christian, but I wasn't, I 165 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,080 wasn't just like sold out like that wasn't my main focus. 166 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,280 I wasn't like seeking first the Kingdom of God and letting 167 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,600 everything else be added on to me. 168 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,720 I was very much kind of living for myself and, you know, church 169 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,680 going and all that kind of stuff. 170 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:49,200 But but anyway, at that same time that I was convicted about 171 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,240 loving preborn humans, I was at the same time kind of getting 172 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,120 serious about the Bible. And so I was reading a bunch of, 173 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:58,760 you know, just reading the Bible. 174 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:06,240 And I also saw there was a lot of biblical problems in a lot of 175 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,480 the pro-life groups. Yes, they were Christian. 176 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,320 Yes, they had Bible verses on things, but it didn't seem to go 177 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:17,160 very deep and it didn't seem to go as sharp as the prophets of 178 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:22,440 God went like the prophets were. You know, they came on strong. 179 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,640 They called their culture, you know, an idolatrous, wicked, you 180 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,440 know, nation full of murderers that were. 181 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,200 And that why did they not do anything about child sacrifice 182 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,040 in their mix? Because they're whores. 183 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,280 And, like, I'm like, OK, if I look at the pro-life movement 184 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,640 and they seemed back in 2010, like, scared to even call 185 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,560 abortion murder. And I was like, I really can't. 186 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,200 I want to fight abortion, but I can't fight it in this sort of 187 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:56,480 namby pamby, sort of politically correct, you know, gradual, sort 188 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,240 of ineffective and unbiblical way. 189 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,280 And so, you know, I just said, well, every age has its evils, 190 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:09,080 you know, chattel slavery, abortion, every age should have 191 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,800 its abolitionist. So you had abolitionist of 192 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,720 chattel slavery, you should have abolitionist of abortion. 193 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,440 And so in 2010 formed, we just formed a little group there here 194 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,800 in Norman at, you know, a local Baptist Church. 195 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,080 We said, hey, you know what? And this is a Baptist Church 196 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,880 that was big on pro-life stuff, massive, you know, 40 Days for 197 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,000 Life, Rose Day, you know, support whatever, you know, 198 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,840 whatever's pro-life is good. And you know, there's pro-life 199 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,240 and there's pro-choice. Those are the sides. 200 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Don't think about anything. There's no controlled 201 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,080 opposition. There's no, there's, you know, 202 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,880 there's no, you know, none of this, you know, stuff. 203 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,440 It's good. That you have that nearby. 204 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,800 Yeah, I just, you know, everyone, you know, got to keep 205 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,160 if you, hey, if you're always thinking as a conspiracy 206 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,160 theorist, something's wrong with you. 207 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,040 But if you're never thinking as a conspiracy theorist, you're 208 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,440 probably not thinking. But so the pro-choice, the 209 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,080 pro-life, sort of those are the two position. 210 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:13,960 I was like, I don't think so. I think there's actually a 211 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:20,280 serious biblical stronger position that not only thinks 212 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,560 abortion is bad and something should be done about it, but 213 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,280 says abortion is murder, abortion is sin. 214 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,760 And if abortion is sin and murder, that makes it, you know, 215 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,200 a crime. So abortion is a crime, should 216 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,760 be treated as a crime. And the defining characteristic 217 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,200 of all pro-life legislation that I was studying at the point at 218 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,280 that point was that it wasn't a crime. 219 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,200 There was, it's a bad thing. We should make it harder to 220 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,160 choose. We should make it more 221 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,440 regulated, but it's not a crime and it should not be treated as 222 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,520 a crime. And so I saw that all the way 223 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,000 back in 2010. And then as far as like when it 224 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,760 came to like the religious intersection, I was like, yeah, 225 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,360 we should call it murder. And there was like, don't call 226 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,480 it murder. It's too harsh. 227 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,480 And I'm like, well, if we call it murder, then we can say, hey, 228 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,360 but good news, God Forgives murderers. 229 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,520 That's like, that's his jam. Like God Forgives murderers. 230 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,200 So abortions, murder, the gospel is still the answer. 231 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,920 A a nation that commits murder and has laws that allow murder, 232 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:18,920 that kind of nation can turn to God. 233 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,600 An individual who's murdered a child can turn to God. 234 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,640 But what's required is repentance is like is agreeing 235 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,360 with God, this is murder, this is a crime, this is a national 236 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,880 sin and then a change. And this is something that I 237 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,480 just believe could could be done. 238 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,760 I believe God, you know, he's not going to flood the world, 239 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,960 but he wants us to repent. So those I. 240 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,560 Actually, I actually heard that we were going to lose all the 241 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:44,960 coastlines and that the the rivers were all going to flow 242 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,960 over. Did do you not listen to AOC at 243 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,920 all as a prophet? Yeah, I see. 244 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Fairly confident we're all we're all about to die in a couple 245 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,480 years that I have a very. I have a streamlined group of 246 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,840 people I think are actual profits and AOC is not one of 247 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,760 them. That's a shame. 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,280 She'll be very upset to hear this. 249 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:01,720 You know what? She doesn't care. 250 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,000 I just heard a a vocal anomaly. And I don't know if it's because 251 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,920 we're in the same place at the same time and it came from being 252 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,160 a person in that time, but you just said that that's God's jam. 253 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,520 And my girls will tell me what their jam is. 254 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,640 My my youngest girls will and they'll and I'll be like, who 255 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,320 says that? And they're like, you say that. 256 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,920 I was like, oh, do I do I talk about things being my jam. 257 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,920 I like that you said that. For some reason it just made me 258 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,760 feel like. Maybe it dates us, my friend. 259 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,240 We are. We are definitely. 260 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,640 It's a it's a dad vibe thing. I used to kind of hold it in, 261 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,560 but now I just embrace it because I, you know, yeah. 262 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,120 I used a lot of 90s terminologies on my kids and I'm 263 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,800 trying to what I had to. OK, so this is kind of just 264 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,440 complete aside, has nothing to do with what we're talking 265 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,160 about. We'll get back to it. 266 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,280 But I, I sat down at the DMV the other day, a tax office 267 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,360 actually, and I'm paying for the tax on my truck. 268 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,120 And I'm, I'm talking to this gal and she's clearly in her 20s, 269 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,720 you know, and she's got a cross outside of her, her blouse. 270 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,720 I wanted to have a good human connection with her. 271 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,960 We started talking about something and she goes, she 272 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,400 said, I love it when a plan comes together. 273 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,720 And I looked at her and I go, oh, that's a Murdoch moment. 274 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,880 I said that you look too young to have watched the The A-Team. 275 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,840 And she said, you know what? She said I saw it, but I mean, 276 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,040 it was in reruns. I said still counts, right? 277 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,400 Still counts. Yeah. 278 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,200 And then it's. Amazing. 279 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,800 She goes, I used to watch Nick at night and I'd watch All in 280 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,800 the Family and I watched Family Matters and Family Ties and I've 281 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,640 seen The A-Team and Knight Rider. 282 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,360 And she, I said, you're one of those. 283 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,560 And she said, yeah, what do you call that? 284 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,520 And I said classically educated. No, whenever Friday came along 285 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,400 and it was like TGIF or whatever, right, It's like all 286 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,040 the Friday it's and and and you had to wait till Friday to like 287 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,520 watch your shows and now you just watch them all the time at 288 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,560 every given like, I mean, there's something superior about 289 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,880 all of our streamers, but man, growing up it was Saturday 290 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,680 morning cartoons and Friday night like acceptable sitcoms in 291 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:58,680 my house. You know, it was like. 292 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,360 It was built in delayed gratification, which used to be 293 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,800 a virtue that was actually looked at in a Christian sense 294 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,840 as well for this nation. I will. 295 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,320 I will get it back on track here. 296 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,280 So, so here's here's something I heard Ben Shapiro say, which 297 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,200 makes me sympathetic to the position you stated. 298 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Yes, Ben Shapiro, for years when I was listening to him before he 299 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,280 decided to go down the rabbit hole about the vaccines and 300 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,480 things, he said that there are two original sins of this 301 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,840 country and they've been reborn as the same sin. 302 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,680 And the first one was chattel slavery, not recognizing human 303 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,400 beings as human beings. And the second one is abortion, 304 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,480 not recognizing human beings as human beings. 305 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,560 I'm curious how that hits you. No, it hits me. 306 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,480 It's exactly, it's exactly right. 307 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,800 And it does get us back, because what I saw in those 308 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,520 abolitionists of chattel slavery was an unabashed like embrace of 309 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,320 that biblical idea that human beings are made in the image of 310 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,920 God. And so the reason you like, if 311 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,040 you go back and you look at them, they were saying that 312 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,200 chattel slavery wasn't bad simply because it was slavery, 313 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,720 that there was a kind of a biblical slavery. 314 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,960 There was like a way that you could do slavery right and and 315 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,359 permissive that even God would sort of allow. 316 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Like this is actually slavery as a grace, like on a people that's 317 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,240 been conquered or people that need that's in famine and stuff 318 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,880 like God allowed his own people to be put into slavery and then 319 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,119 pulled them out of slavery, good slavery than bad slavery. 320 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,720 And so the concept and the understanding of good slavery 321 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,200 and bad slavery was there, but chattel slavery was wrong. 322 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,360 And the reason they called it chattel slavery was because it 323 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:36,760 was turning a human being, an image bearer into a thing into a 324 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,400 beast of burden. And so you were selling people 325 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,160 in the same way that you were selling cattle. 326 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,920 And so it was a denial of the image of God. 327 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,800 And so when you look at William Lloyd Garrison and some of the 328 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,920 forefront sort of thinkers and rhetoricians for that movement, 329 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,920 it was all about the image of God is a death knell to all 330 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,480 forms of oppression and usurpation, anything that treats 331 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,880 a human being as not an image bearer. 332 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,400 And so they were doing that and they were saying the reason that 333 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,880 chattel slavery is wrong is because it's it's an image of 334 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,640 God thing. And the second is that it's 335 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,440 predicated on man stealing. And like, they're unabashed 336 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,720 about this. They're like, man stealing in 337 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 the word of God is a capital crime. 338 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,440 That's like, if you can be punished, you, you get the death 339 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,240 penalty for stealing a man and selling him, which is what was 340 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,200 going on in Africa. You know, that was African 341 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,600 tribes stealing one another to sell them. 342 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,840 So the whole thing was predicated all the way back on 343 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,560 that. And then in America, there was 344 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,240 just tons of man stealing going on. 345 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,600 You know, free blacks would get, you know, picked up and sold 346 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,080 down the river and all that kind of stuff. 347 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,400 And so they were calling chattel slavery a crime. 348 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,640 And most of the most of the sort of modern. 349 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,920 So there's like an abolition movement from the founding of 350 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,760 the country. And Shapiro's right, it's John 351 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:00,000 Quincy Adams who first calls slavery America's original sin 352 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,440 because whenever they wrote the Constitution, there were people 353 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,160 that were like, let's not have slavery. 354 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Let's have you know, Christ is king and there's no slavery. 355 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,240 And they've, and those people were like, you know, kept out of 356 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,120 the room, like, you're not allowed in here. 357 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,360 Yeah, You're radical, right. You're radical. 358 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,680 We want the compromise. We don't want to deal with this 359 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,120 now. And they, they founded a country 360 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,520 that was supposed to be a land of liberty while they were also 361 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,200 owning slaves. So it's like a fundamental 362 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,040 contradiction there at the beginning. 363 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,640 And so, so now we have the fundamental. 364 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,600 So now we're a land where you have liberty, but you also have 365 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,200 the right to life. And so the way that slavery made 366 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,480 a mockery of that claim to be a land of liberty, abortion makes 367 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,040 a mockery of that claim to be a land that recognizes the right 368 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,400 to life. And so if you look at them, 369 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,080 they're eerily, they're just, they're constantly the same. 370 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,040 You know, you have a, a country that's incredibly divided on 371 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,320 slavery. And after, you know, 40-50 years 372 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,960 of that, you get free States and slave states. 373 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,080 Now you have a country where you're going to have like 374 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,720 abortion States and abortion free states. 375 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,200 There are no abortion free states currently, but you have 376 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,680 the idea of under Dobbs of there being states without abortion 377 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,720 and states with abortion, but recognized. 378 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,760 But ultimately, and this is like one of the big differences 379 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,680 between abolitionists and pro lifers in general is that. 380 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:30,160 We're looking at slavery as abortion as a national sin, like 381 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,280 chattel slavery, and that, yes, it goes on, but our governing 382 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,280 authorities not only allow it, but like right laws that protect 383 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,280 it. So we would punish like we would 384 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:50,480 punish people who fight abortion and reward people who do 385 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,160 abortion. We would fund people who do 386 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,880 abortions and punish people who fight abortion. 387 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,000 And so it's it's totally upside down. 388 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,280 And whenever a country does that sort of thing, those of us who 389 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,800 believe God is a living, active being that cares what we're 390 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,040 doing, looks at our country and is like, yeah, there's no, 391 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,280 there's no making America great while you practice child 392 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,240 sacrifice. And so the impulse to clean up 393 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:21,000 the national sin of abortion that we have today out of a love 394 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,160 not just for pre born humans, but of a love for a higher law 395 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,200 and a love for, you know, the relationship between our our 396 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,800 country and God is kind of what's driving abolitionist. 397 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,560 So we're seeking we're I mean, as as crazy and far off as it 398 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,000 sounds, we're seeking repentance like that our country would sort 399 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,480 of, you know, without coming through some confrontation, like 400 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,320 some civil war type situation, that our country would repent of 401 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,200 the evil of writing laws that allow child sacrifice and that 402 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,040 that would bring on the blessings of God and that our 403 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,600 currency and our songs of God Bless America and God we trust 404 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,000 all that kind of stuff would no longer just be pissing him off. 405 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,960 Sorry for using that word, but you know what I'm saying? 406 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,600 Like, yeah, I know, but I some people, I'm going to get it. 407 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,400 I'm going to get a text. Someone says, right, But but 408 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,040 like, I was just like, I think that I think that God is angry 409 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,280 with us whenever we do certain things. 410 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,680 And a lot of people think, no, no, no, God's not like that 411 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760 anymore because Jesus was like, no, Jesus is God and he talks a 412 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,640 lot about how he's going to gather up the nations and 413 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,200 there's going to be nations that are sheep and nations that are 414 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,880 goats and the goat nations are going to be separated and cast 415 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,680 aside into like, you know, eternal torment forever. 416 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,560 I mean, it's kind of that's Jesus. 417 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,880 That's not the Old Testament God. 418 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,960 That's God, very God, Jesus. And so I think that everything 419 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,880 that the Bible reveals about God's disposition towards 420 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,200 nations that practice child sacrifice and political figures 421 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,960 are legislators who write laws allowing it from the beginning 422 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,520 of the book to the end of the book is like, woe to you. 423 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Like, if you like, if you just, you know, people want to look up 424 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,760 things later on their own. You look at Leviticus 20, it 425 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,000 literally says if there are people in your nation that 426 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,040 practice child sacrifice, that kill their children and you do 427 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,120 not punish them, I will turn my face against you. 428 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,200 It's like God who made the universe. 429 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,600 It's like I will go to war against you. 430 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,680 I will judge you. I will bring Assyria down on 431 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,240 your head. I will, I will bring plagues 432 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,240 into your people. I will, I will punish you if you 433 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,640 do not punish people who kill innocent human beings. 434 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,880 And of course, God's long-suffering, he's 435 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,760 compassionate and he's tolerated it for 53 years. 436 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:58,080 But 53 years in, we're looking at a very eerie timeline of, you 437 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,560 know, similarity back to the chattel slavery thing. 438 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,480 We're, we're looking at that sort of, how long is God? 439 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,800 Is God going to be fine with us? Just sort of like putting this 440 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,360 on the back burner. Me, I want to make America great 441 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,280 again. I want my kids to grow up in a 442 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,720 in a world that isn't as out of its mind. 443 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 And I see all this drag queen stuff and I see all this like 444 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,600 people don't know if they're, you know, men or women and 445 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,520 they're actually confused. The sexual idolatry is running a 446 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440 muck and just like everyone's lost their mind. 447 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,440 It seems like we're under a strong delusion. 448 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,360 Whack a lunary and I'm and and people want to look around and 449 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,280 they're always pointing at, you know, kind of rightly, they're 450 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,720 pointing at this progressive or that progressive, just these bad 451 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,640 ideas. But we got to step back and go. 452 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,480 It seems as though we've been as a country turned over like like 453 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,800 God's basically been like, listen, you're parading your sin 454 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,400 like Sodom and you're killing your children and you're writing 455 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,160 laws to justify it and you've been doing it since the sexual 456 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,160 revolution. Like here, let me just let me 457 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,120 just give you let me just give you what you've chosen instead 458 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,400 of my law. And that's what we got. 459 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,960 We've got abortion pills flowing into all these mailboxes and all 460 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000 these people murdering their children and all the 461 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520 psychological, spiritual damage that that's doing. 462 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520 And so that's why you can't have a civil conversation with 463 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,720 someone on the street because they've been a sense of 464 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:31,080 essentially like given over to to delusions that have them, you 465 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:37,560 know, to put it kind of plainly, like, like, why does anyone vote 466 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,360 for Democrats? Like what now? 467 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,520 Like you're asking questions. I mean, I've seen them a sign 468 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,960 out there. They're they exist. 469 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,840 We know. But yeah, what? 470 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,600 I can't get them to argue their point. 471 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,000 I've seen you do this as well. You guys ask questions and it 472 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,200 asked to it never ends up with like an answer. 473 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,520 It's like, oh, that makes sense. There's never that makes sense 474 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,280 moment on on the other end coming at you not to me all. 475 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,040 Rhetoric, it's all rhetoric. It's all, it's all slogans Like 476 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,360 I, I will, you know, like I, I, I never sort of like separate 477 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480 science and religion or theology and, and logic. 478 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,120 I, I just, it's all together for me. 479 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:16,520 It's all truth. But I, if I lead with, do you 480 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,560 believe in human rights? You know, I'm talking to 481 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,320 someone, they've got blue hair, you know, short blue hair and 482 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,000 that they're pretending to be a boy when they're a girl, you 483 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,840 know, and, and I and I'll leave. And you guys are uncanny at 484 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,600 finding them. How long does it take you to to 485 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,760 ensnare these people into your into your discussion? 486 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,720 It doesn't. You just set up, you hold a sign 487 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,040 and they come out of the woodwork because they believe 488 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,400 that actually they're the smart ones and we're the idiots. 489 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,200 They think that science is on their side and it's not on ours. 490 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,240 They think that logic and reason and policy all of it, but it's 491 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,440 all on our side. Well, it's all religion to them 492 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,120 too, if we're being honest. I mean, yes, if you tell me. 493 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,520 Tell me if this hits with you. Well, but you know, I made the 494 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,960 argument that that leftism is basically just a secular 495 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,040 religion at this point. So they are making a religious 496 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,800 argument to you, which is why they have certain tenants that 497 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,680 it's just you have to accept them on their faith. 498 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Their faith is that they're the good person. 499 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,320 They're the good moral actor. Yeah. 500 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,120 And. They do They're. 501 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,480 Awful. They are attracted to you guys 502 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,160 like turning on a blue light at a BBQ. 503 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,440 Like they just come in and want to be part of the zapper. 504 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,840 It's it is it is slow. It's turning down, though. 505 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,520 I've noticed when we go to the same campus that people that 506 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,760 normally would have stopped and talked like will go, they'll go 507 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,360 way out of their way not to come by because they've experienced 508 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,040 it. They're like, man, I tried that 509 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,520 and then I ended up, you know, being, you know, 2-3 million 510 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,040 people seeing me look stupid on on YouTube. 511 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,760 I got sacked on a viral way. That's not a that's not a bad 512 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,160 deterrent. So whatever, it's worse. 513 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,200 No, it's such a good thing because some of them, I think, 514 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,960 you know, I pray that they're, that they're realizing that 515 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,880 because that, that there was 1 gal. 516 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,840 She was like, it was a short. It was like one of our early 517 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,320 viral shorts. And she was a history of science 518 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,080 grad student and she had no idea what like IVF was and how it 519 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,480 worked. And she said something that was 520 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,200 just stupid. And I was just like, no, no, no, 521 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,960 even IVF people develop in wombs like the in vitro is the 522 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960 fertilization and then the placements back in the womb. 523 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,240 And she thought it like was all in test tubes. 524 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,760 So it was like a really. Stupid test tube baby, right 525 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,800 Russell? So like you got. 526 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920 It was all in a test tube and. Yeah, in her mind, like the 527 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,920 mind's eye, she'd created a theater, that it was grown in a 528 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,760 test tube. And then what? 529 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,760 Hatched. Yeah, but since she was a grad 530 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,920 student, yeah, she was a grad student, so she believed that 531 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840 she just had to be smart, obviously. 532 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,800 And. But anyway, so we put up these 533 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,560 shorts and, you know, like on TikTok, they went in like 534 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,760 910,000,000 views and then it got back around and then one of 535 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,800 her professors who's a friend of mine messaged me and was like, 536 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,360 hey, so is this what you're doing now? 537 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,480 You know, And I was like, what is it? 538 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,480 Yeah, what do you mean? Is are you, are you having 539 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,760 conversations with students and then editing, editing them to 540 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,560 make the students look bad and you look good? 541 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,280 And I was like, OK, in honor of this request, I will put up the 542 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,240 whole conversation uncut. So you can see not only how 543 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,840 stupid the student was, but that she brings up the fact that 544 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,880 she's a history of science grad student, which she's arguing 545 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,080 with me who was a history of science grad student and had a 546 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,720 four point O. And like was, you know, whenever 547 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,520 I got my master's was A at that time, you know, a well liked 548 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,160 student in the, in the program. And, and so this professor is 549 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,520 kind of has to go through this sort of cognitive dissonance, 550 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,840 like his current student is saying really idiotic things and 551 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,200 lied to him and said that she didn't say those idiotic things. 552 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,280 And then I edited it that way. And then we put the full thing 553 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800 up and then I send it to him and then I say, hey, please watch 554 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,200 this and can we have, can we get lunch sometime next week? 555 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,560 And then I had like a 5 hour long conversation with him and 556 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440 it was, it was great. But it's like coming to realize, 557 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,600 no, actually our side, the pro abortion side, it makes all 558 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360 sorts of stupid argument. Like they say that life doesn't 559 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,040 mean it begin at conception when all the textbooks say it does. 560 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,520 Like all scientists agree that a human life's beginning is when 561 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,240 it begins and that that's what conception means. 562 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,760 And that you have a human being that goes through embryological 563 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,280 and fetal development. So you start with like, hey, do 564 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,440 you believe in human rights? The blue haired girl getting 565 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,600 back to it, the blue haired girl says, yeah, I believe in human 566 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,960 rights. And all you have to do say is 567 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,720 like, so you're against abortion. 568 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,600 And then immediately they're like, no. 569 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,520 And you're like, so you're not for human rights. 570 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,240 And then they'll proceed to tell you that, well, it's not born 571 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,960 yet. And you're like, OK, so you're 572 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,480 for born human rights. No, no, I'm for human because 573 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,280 they want that label. Oh, do you believe in justice? 574 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,200 Yeah, I believe in social, social justice. 575 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,200 Like, OK, so you believe that. Yeah. 576 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,960 People who murder their children, justice should be done 577 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,920 to them. No, that's crazy. 578 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,560 And you're like, OK, so you don't believe in justice. 579 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,640 It's all fake social justice, human rights, the whole lot. 580 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,640 Like everything that you know what we've sort of blanket call 581 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,080 the left, It's all just it's, it's their minds have been like 582 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,280 darkened and they they grow up and they actually believe that 583 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,560 they're the smart ones. And so one of the reasons that 584 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,480 our channel does so well on YouTube and TikTok is because I 585 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,440 think, you know, conservative Christians get to tune in and 586 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,880 watch these people and their their insane ideas just crash 587 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,240 into logic. Because most of the time all I'm 588 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,440 doing is asking questions. You're doing a very old 589 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,000 technique, if we're being real honest. 590 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,880 This is what the Counter Reformation was about in the 591 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Catholic. So I'm a Catholic, you know, I 592 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,160 grew up and I, and I grew up around Jesuits, not the, not the 593 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520 Jesuits of today for some reason, although some of them 594 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,960 were in my, in my core, But the, the, the original plan of the 595 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,400 Jesuits, the army of God and the whole, the sort of Aloysius 596 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,080 Gonzaga or not Aloysius, what's his name? 597 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,920 Ignatius of Loyola, his whole plan, because I'm going to send 598 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,760 the most educated, fit, strong, masculine looking guys into, 599 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,920 into Germany in the, in the, the hotbed of, of Lutheranism. 600 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,680 And we're going to just sit and challenge local preachers who 601 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,840 don't have the knowledge base, the language base, the, you 602 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,920 know, the ability to articulate the presence. 603 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,240 And they may have we're. Going to train them in rhetoric 604 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,400 and we're going to just have them ask questions and, and, and 605 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440 the clown these people with their own words. 606 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,600 Yeah, so it's like, and then that's what's happened is, you 607 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,720 know, to to take the historical analogy, there is if and and a 608 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360 lot of the blame could be put honestly on the church, on 609 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,520 Christians just blanket like there's like a 304050. 610 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,960 I don't know, you know, say 50 years. 611 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,360 There has by and large been sort of a Christians have kind of 612 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,160 cloistered themselves off like they've stopped engaging the 613 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,320 culture and they just seeded the arts that like media, you know, 614 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,680 and the universities to anti Christians. 615 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,200 And so they, you know, kind of rightly saw that like this 616 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,920 really isn't the best way to get educated, like sending your, you 617 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,800 know, and so they said, well, if the Christians are all going to 618 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,280 pull out, we'll turn these things into indoctrination 619 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,840 centers. We'll make it culturally 620 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,720 relevant. The Christians will still send 621 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,440 their kids to us and we'll try to de Christianize them and send 622 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,000 them back out into the world. And so we have the secular 623 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,160 indoctrination centers that are not solid. 624 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,800 They really, I mean, like what they're training people to do. 625 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,800 And I've gone, I mean, I took all the logic and critical 626 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,880 reasoning and, you know, I, I did plenty of, you know, 627 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,720 history, science, philosophy and all that kind of stuff. 628 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,360 So like I'm in a, in a sense a product of it, but I was always 629 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,280 reading on the side, like all the real books, all the real 630 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,240 philosophers, all the real anything in economics or 631 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,000 anything. It was not the books that I was 632 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,199 being assigned. It was the books that I was like 633 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,239 reading on the side so that whenever I came into class and 634 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,960 we had the moments of like round table moments to debate that I 635 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,960 could that I could whoop up on, on the secularist. 636 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:28,400 And so like I was getting an education while in college via, 637 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,880 you know, this is a long time. This is before the YouTube 638 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,159 thing, but I was like, I was getting, I was getting 639 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,560 audiobooks and you know, I was working a nighttime janitor job 640 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,199 and listening to like apologetics and philosophy and 641 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,159 stuff and finding that the guy that just writing some 642 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,960 apologetics book, which you know, I used to read, the guy 643 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000 you might be familiar with is a, he's a Catholic author, Peter 644 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,239 Creeft. And he writes these dialogues. 645 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,720 They're like Socratic dialogues where he'll take, you know, you 646 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,000 know, modern day. He wrote one. 647 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,640 It was like CS Lewis, Thomas Jefferson and John F Kennedy or 648 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,160 Aldous Huxley and John F Kennedy. 649 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,160 And I'd like to read these dialogues. 650 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,720 And whenever you said you were, you were using an ancient 651 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,080 method, you went back, you went back to counter reformation. 652 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,200 Well, all the way back to Socrates. 653 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,360 You know, like Socrates is just like, you know, walk into Athens 654 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,240 and you know, and after Socrates, Paul famously did this 655 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,400 at the Areopagus. But like walk into Athens and be 656 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,040 like, let me just ask you questions about like these gods 657 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,680 of yours and just it's it's. Powerful and fun to watch. 658 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,360 I mean, I, I would do this even in Twitter spaces and I, I get a 659 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,280 big kick out of it where people tell me the same thing that 660 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,000 you're having these conversations about values, 661 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,720 right? It's like, we are, are you for 662 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,680 human rights? Are you for, for justice? 663 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040 I would ask them, what do you want for your children? 664 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,520 And then they would tell me, I want them to be good people. 665 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,840 I want them to live productive lives. 666 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,240 And I'm like, cool, how do you define good? 667 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,960 And why is that good? And where did those values come 668 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,080 from? Because they're not innate. 669 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,360 They're not obvious unless you understand that there's some 670 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,560 basis for it. And then it's like, well, what 671 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,840 about the poor? Do you care about them? 672 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,800 It's like, yeah, I care about the poor. 673 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,440 Why do you care about the poor? What? 674 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,720 What turning point happened in human history where suddenly 675 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,720 people cared about those in poverty? 676 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,680 Because it's a real, specific, concrete time, you know? 677 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,880 And so when you ask people and let them come to it, it's like, 678 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,760 well, did your parents have a Christian faith? 679 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,720 No, they did. And you're just too good for it. 680 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680 You just you got formed by it and you have all the ideas of 681 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,360 it, but now you've just thrown out the foundation of it. 682 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080 That's cool. How many how many houses have 683 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,480 you seen built without a foundation? 684 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,560 Like The funny thing is they actually already agree with you 685 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120 if they if they say yes to the things. 686 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,360 Yeah, they're living. They're living our worldview. 687 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,600 They're denying it. Correct. 688 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,760 Like they they they they argue for this relativism 689 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,280 philosophically. Because they actually live 690 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,280 relatively. Yeah, and they don't. 691 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,040 And they, and they, I think it's important to show them that they 692 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,280 don't because I think that eventually someone shows them 693 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,160 and that cognitive dissonance is like just the bug that needs to 694 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,760 be or the seed that needs to be planted. 695 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,040 Or you'll, you'll notice it like all the stats and people talk 696 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520 about all the time that you, you kind of go through this sort of 697 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,040 like 30 years of being a liberal and then you get older and you 698 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,840 realize it just doesn't work. And then you become a 699 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,240 conservative. It's, you know, like that's that 700 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,960 phenomenon is it's because our ideas have to be livable. 701 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,000 And eventually you start carrying about your stuff, you 702 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,800 know, purely economic application here. 703 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,800 That's right. Eventually you own stuff and 704 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,640 you're like, it doesn't really make sense that this thing that 705 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,320 I bought on this land that I own, that I have to pay this 706 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,360 kind of tax and this kind of tax and this kind of tax. 707 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,280 And then that starts to like erode your, your bigger, you 708 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,200 know, your, your training in, in, in college. 709 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920 And you realize the only reason that you were rebelling about 710 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,320 that is because back in college you were addicted to pornography 711 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,840 and you needed to justify sin. And so you, you know, adopted 712 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,400 relativism to justify your sin or whatever. 713 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,840 And so now you're kind of like, well, yeah. 714 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,480 And so you, that's that's why we see what we're seeing. 715 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,960 But the other, I mean, I would say from from my experience on 716 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,840 college campuses, though, I'm running into lots of young 717 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,880 people that that are smart, swift, you know, good looking, 718 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,600 you know, well groomed, you know, coming up all the time. 719 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,920 Hey, man, I watch your channel. I like what you're doing. 720 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,320 And they're they're way more bold in a in a year in, in, in 721 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,800 just five years, like a five year chunk five years ago. 722 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,960 I feel as though a guy maybe a little more than 5, let's say, 723 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,920 let's go all the way back 10 years. 724 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,480 A guy holding a sign that says abortion is murder. 725 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,880 There's forgiveness for the sin of murder in Jesus Christ. 726 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,600 Like right. Like that guy is a lunatic, He's 727 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,560 out of his mind, Ignore him. We knew that guy that came to to 728 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,920 to campus on Norman. I remember that guy standing 729 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,720 with a nine foot tall or a 1020 foot tall sign on a post, you 730 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,840 know, with a mega. With a mega, Yeah, you don't 731 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,080 want to talk to that guy like he's a kook, but but what you're 732 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,680 doing with the way you guys are doing it is, is you're actually 733 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,280 like, he was trying to tell people something. 734 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,440 You're trying to ask people something. 735 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,040 And that brings people in is what it looks like. 736 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000 But you're still, you're still a combatant, which is the word 737 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 that I keep honing in on. You're a combatant. 738 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,920 You're just modeling what the fight looks like in a more 739 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,240 effective way. Yeah, and and and and and that 740 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,040 that point's 100% true because there are sort of like bad ways 741 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,680 and good ways of doing this, obviously. 742 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,720 But but where I wanted to key in on is that I think that the 743 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:45,880 culture went so nuts that that the guy who's holding a sign 744 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,920 fighting for something that's, you know, traditional, like 745 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,360 murdering babies is wrong. He might be sane. 746 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,640 And my professor who is a man dressed like as a woman, he 747 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,360 might be insane. So let's listen to it. 748 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,960 And so like I just whenever the video editor. 749 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,800 Said, hey, let's go film some stuff and put it on TikTok or 750 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,000 whatever. I was like, well, it's not going 751 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,880 to be popular. It's it's a middle-aged white 752 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,320 man telling people that abortions murder, Like why would 753 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,320 anyone watch that? And then it blew up. 754 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,400 And I was like, OK, the culture has changed. 755 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,640 Like they're they're people that are fed up with all the lunacy 756 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,240 and they're like willing to watch some of this stuff. 757 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,200 And we have like, you know, I hate to use the word fans, but 758 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,520 like people subscribers who watch the channel who are not 759 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480 Christians. They're they're not, they're not 760 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,120 traditional, you know, church going Christians, but they'll 761 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,200 message me or they'll message the page and they'll just be 762 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,280 like, I mean, sometimes they're telling me, hey, I'm kind of 763 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,120 becoming a Christian, you know, like, or like I started going to 764 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,960 church. It's really, really weird, man, 765 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,400 and kind of started with watching your channel because 766 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,120 you were just speaking the truth and more. 767 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,920 Importantly, you were you were doing something that is 768 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,080 inherently interesting, right? I think that, and this is from 769 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,160 watching you guys, you're creating human conflict and all 770 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,120 of us have an instinct to one. What is this conflict? 771 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,560 Why is it in conflict and it is going to get resolved. 772 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,480 So we all kind of want to see the resolution of it because 773 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,240 most of us don't want to walk around going like there's a lot 774 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,600 of conflict in the world that I live in. 775 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,520 It's like at any moment again, you're me. 776 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,240 So you guys are you guys are showing that there's a conflict 777 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,840 and you're doing it in a peaceable way, which is a very 778 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,320 Christian thing to do. It turns out, you know, you can 779 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,760 go back down to drawing in the ground and just asking quiet 780 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,840 questions while people lose their. 781 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,520 Minds, right? Yeah. 782 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,720 You know, you just, there's no reason to get triggered by it 783 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,960 and you do it at a professional level. 784 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,680 Would that be accurate? I mean, you're you're. 785 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,120 Trolling for for you're. Trolling these people to come in 786 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,240 and say, hey, why don't you come and defend your positions? 787 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,600 Because I'm I'm very good in mine. 788 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120 Yeah, well, see, The thing is, is that they always assume that 789 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,840 the guy wearing a hoodie holding a sign in the middle of the day 790 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,600 is probably less educated than them. 791 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,560 Yeah, you're the dummy and they're going to come straighten 792 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,680 you out. But 98% of them are way less 793 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,600 educated. I mean, I'm not. 794 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,560 It's a bear. I don't. 795 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,720 I mean this. I don't, I don't pat myself on 796 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,200 the back about these things, but like if, if we were just kind of 797 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,920 like, oh, let's make some arguments from authority. 798 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,360 I have way more degrees than you do, you know? 799 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,760 And so it's like, but I don't lead with that. 800 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,880 And they're not expecting it, right? 801 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,240 But. These are the people that lean 802 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,760 on credentialism and and you're just saying, hey, I'm just going 803 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,440 to ask you like just defend your positions. 804 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,840 Here's the ideas. The ideas are the strength. 805 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,520 I do do the. Gun control, by the way, this is 806 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,280 my favorite game. It's like I know more about guns 807 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,720 than the people I'm going to talk to, so let's just do it. 808 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,760 And, and when you have that, you don't have to like you don't 809 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,400 have to tell people, you can just ask them. 810 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,240 It's like we're going to expose your vulnerabilities because 811 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,000 they're not mine, they're yours. Exactly, but it is. 812 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,840 But like to your point about TikTok though and why, I don't 813 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,520 think it's because the culture has changed as much. 814 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,280 I think you guys are changing the culture. 815 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,000 I think it is inherently interesting to see human 816 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,200 conflict. We all will stop. 817 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,880 If you see a husband and a wife arguing in public, are you not 818 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480 watching? Does that get resolved or does 819 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,880 someone get slapped? How about a how about a child 820 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,800 being, you know, you know, being corrected by their parent in an 821 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,040 aggressive way and, and you maybe you say, Oh my God, how 822 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,520 dare they do that? Or maybe you say, good, finally 823 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,120 somebody's disciplining their kids promptly. 824 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,320 But you have an opinion that would? 825 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,120 Need to be spanked. There's a there's a conflict 826 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,320 that is happening and you are asking you want to see it. 827 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,040 Our best stuff, like our best Tik Tok's best shorts are the 828 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,680 ones where you know what's popular and you know Shapiro and 829 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,880 what's his name, Mug Club guy. Yeah, Crowder. 830 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,040 Like, yeah, Crowder. Like the owning the libs, that 831 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,280 sort of model of owning libs. Yes, destroys Lib or whatever, 832 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:36,920 right? Destroy libs. 833 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,360 Our content, the the ones you know, because I look at the 834 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,120 analytics, the ones that really do well are whenever some kind 835 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,520 of like objection is raised or some kind of question is asked 836 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,800 and then the the pro abortion person like makes a statement or 837 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,240 says something and then they get the answer. 838 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,760 And then there's a question and they can't answer it and you see 839 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,880 either them or someone else in the shot. 840 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,240 Kind of like realize. Right. 841 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,000 And you guys have an arrow. It's like he gets it. 842 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,320 Like this is the guy. That's why you did the argument. 843 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,360 Yeah, and that and and people and people think, well, OK, I 844 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,440 hope that person learned and maybe they did, maybe they 845 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,880 didn't, you know, because the argument could have gone on for 846 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,160 an hour long and you're just seeing this little clip. 847 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,400 But lots of people like I'm talking like an uncountable 848 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,680 number of commenters are like, I used to believe like what these 849 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,120 people in these videos believe. I started watching these videos 850 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,600 just because I thought maybe I would see the, the, the pro-life 851 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,400 guy get owned. And then over time, I'm like, 852 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,520 holy crap. Like, I, I, I'm on the idiot 853 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,920 side. And that is like, sometimes it 854 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,600 gets a little bit, you know, you feel like you're banging your 855 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,240 head against the wall and you're not getting to anybody. 856 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,920 Can I like you? You like, God needs to send you 857 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,720 like a comment. You got to read a comment. 858 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,280 And if somebody says, you know, you know, a year ago, a year 859 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,080 ago, I was making that argument, that stupid argument. 860 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,720 I can't believe I ever did. And it's like, yeah, and, and 861 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,080 again I get mad at Christians. I'm like, why did my body, my 862 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,720 choice ever work? The body inside your body is not 863 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:19,560 your body. It's a, it's a second body. 864 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,200 Like that's the whole thing. Like why did that ever work? 865 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,760 Calling it, you know, reproductive justice? 866 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,520 It's like, no, it it's post reproduction destruction. 867 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,680 Like why did any of those slogans work? 868 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,880 They the, the left has put them on things and sent out postcards 869 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,600 and made T-shirts and all sorts of stuff. 870 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,320 And it's just idiotic stuff. And I'm like, why did that ever 871 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,440 have any power in our culture? And it's because Christians were 872 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,120 running around, you know, saying choose life. 873 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,120 It's like, no, yeah, that's not a choice. 874 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,880 Yeah, there's no choice. It's, it's you're murdering 875 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,920 people. Stop, you know. 876 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,320 So your position that would it be fair like you guys aren't, 877 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,960 you know, there's pro-life, there's pro-choice, you guys are 878 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680 anti choice. Yeah, which is a better because 879 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,440 you're actually setting yourself and and I think that's the the 880 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,320 terminology abolitionist is real specific. 881 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,800 It's not like we're not like some servitude, but but not all 882 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200 it it like you guys are saying no, no, slavery has to end now. 883 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,360 Abortion has to end now. This is not like a negotiation. 884 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,320 I I understood seeing people get squeamish about it. 885 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,360 And yet we talked about historical perspective. 886 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,320 I want to, I want to hone in on something real quick. 887 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,560 We look back today and you mentioned who the good guys 888 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,680 were. I guarantee those weren't the 889 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,440 good guys because they were not the ones in the 3/5 compromise, 890 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,680 right? They were not allowed to be part 891 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,800 of the conversation because they were in the untenable position. 892 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,280 Do you think America looks back and let's say 50 or 60 years and 893 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,440 goes, I cannot believe that we tolerated, you know, killing of 894 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,400 babies as long as we did. Do you think that happens? 895 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,680 A. 100% What's the timeline then? 896 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,760 Well, there's an actual yeah, prognostic. 897 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,760 Yeah, let me let me, let me this not a profit. 898 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,280 The the thing that I I so I'm, you know, in my early 40s, I 899 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,480 think I definitely see the abolition of abortion and I 900 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,080 think that I live another 1020 years easy, easy. 901 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,520 And that's not. Or civil war, because isn't that 902 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,880 where we're at as far as time goes? 903 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,840 Isn't that the difference between between our constitution 904 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:26,520 and and civil war in 70 years? If you, if you, if you look, I'm 905 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,320 telling you there's some eerie stuff if you look at, you know, 906 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,360 I have AI have a speech that I gave in DCI. 907 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,520 They let me actually, we had about 300 and 5400 people that 908 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,800 like I, we kind of impromptu gave like a speech at the 909 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,160 Lincoln Memorial. And you know, a buddy of mine 910 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,680 that was help organizing this event. 911 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,800 He was a psych man. You need to give that, you need 912 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,640 to say that stuff about sort of like Trump and Lincoln and some 913 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,760 similarities and some stuff that's going on. 914 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,240 And you need to give this thing that you kind of talk about and 915 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,320 you know, it's kind of on the top of your head. 916 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,320 And a lot of people don't think about this, you know, because 917 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,960 there's just so much sort of like when you talk about Trump, 918 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,240 it's just, it gets, there's so much. 919 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,600 What do you, what do you call the, the Trump triggered people 920 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,680 like Trump derangement syndrome? And there's like, no, you can't, 921 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,200 you're not allowed to question. There's like derangement 922 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,880 syndrome everywhere. And, and there's just a lot of 923 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,240 interesting historical stuff. And so he's like, hey, give this 924 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,320 Trump Lincoln speech. And so we have like 400 people 925 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,200 sitting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and I gave like 926 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,040 an hour long speech. So these ideas that I'm, I'll 927 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,160 hint at here, we're going to put them up on the channel sometime 928 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:47,000 in the next week or so. But if you look at it and you 929 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,560 know, some people like I come across as too friendly to Trump. 930 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,680 Some people I come across as too antagonistic to Trump or 931 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,160 whatever. But I'm basically playing the 932 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,360 same role towards Trump that the abolitionists play towards 933 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,240 Lincoln when Lincoln was running. 934 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,400 And so Lincoln, like, if you look, if you're like, where are 935 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,800 we at in this whole deal? Lincoln was running as the anti 936 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,600 slavery candidate, but he was kind of moderate and he was kind 937 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,120 of like, hey, abolitionist, shut up, you're going to screw stuff 938 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,840 up for me, Don't don't make me too. 939 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,400 And so Douglas in the debates is trying to make Lincoln like an 940 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,800 abolitionist to scare everybody. And so Lincoln has to distance 941 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,240 himself from the abolitionist, but he has to also get their 942 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,720 votes, like get some of, you know, so he's playing this game. 943 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,000 It's very similar to like what Trump has to do. 944 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,520 Trump had to kind of be like, listen, I'm not going to take 945 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,000 this away, but I'm hey, I did this, you know, and like, it's a 946 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,000 very and the, and the culture's divided. 947 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,520 You have the free states, the slave states, all this kind of 948 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,760 like people calling for compromise, people saying this, 949 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,320 all this kind of stuff. The only thing that I and, and 950 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,600 you know, I was telling some guys earlier today, they're 951 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,120 like, like literally the question you asked talking about 952 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,680 this morning, do we really think that abortion could be abolished 953 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160 in our country in our lifetimes? And I was like, well, let me 954 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,240 just tell you something weird. While Lincoln was campaigning, 955 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,200 like in his final year, a 13th Amendment to the Constitution 956 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,800 was proposed in order to save the Union. 957 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,880 And the 13th amendment that was originally proposed was to 958 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,520 defend slavery in the South forever, like it was going to be 959 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,440 in the Constitution. A 13th Amendment that would 960 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:27,280 promise that whatever happens with new States and the northern 961 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,280 states, we're not going to take away slavery in the South, you 962 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,560 know, below the Mason Dixon line. 963 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,360 And it was going to be a constitutional amendment. 964 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,640 And it was proposed as a union saving, you know, keep America 965 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,400 great, make America great, sort of, you know, olive branch type 966 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,520 thing. Lincoln endorsed it. 967 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,080 So he, like, literally endorses it. 968 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,320 At the same time, aging John Quincy Adams, you know, he had 969 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,520 said that child slavery is America's original sin. 970 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,720 And he was kind of becoming more and more radical. 971 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,360 He'd become an immediate abolitionist by about this time. 972 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,480 And, you know, a little bit before this, you know, there's a 973 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,880 little bit of a timeline sync there. 974 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:14,800 But Lincoln is, while running, you know, pretty clearly white 975 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,560 supremacist and kind of not a great guy in a lot of ways that 976 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,280 we kind of all know, like Lincoln's. 977 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,600 He's like, man, I want to preserve the Union and my way of 978 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,400 preserving the Union. Sorry if I'm offending some of 979 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,880 your viewers, but deal with it. You don't have to agree with 980 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,520 everything I say. That's how it goes. 981 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,000 But but Lincoln is he's, he's kind of a white supremacist, 982 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,480 even though he doesn't like slavery, You know, he's, but 983 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,680 he's getting accused of being a white supremacist, but he's also 984 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,560 getting accused of being like a Negro lover, to put it that way. 985 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,760 And he's got a he has to navigate this. 986 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,000 And people in the South are losing their minds over, over 987 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,000 his election, over his candidacy, and in the in the 988 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,520 losing their minds over the fact that the Supreme Court in the 989 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,880 United States is no longer punishing abolitionist and 990 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,040 protecting people who, who capture runaway slaves. 991 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,320 And stuff's changing and they're all freaking out. 992 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,560 And all the while Lincoln's sitting back and saying, I'm not 993 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,160 going to do I, I promise you I'm not going to abolish slavery if 994 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,520 I could preserve the Union and keeps like I will. 995 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,640 Abolitionists were pressing Lincoln, even the ones that 996 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,320 supported him, they were pressing him. 997 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,640 And they're like, listen, you need to do this. 998 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,600 If you don't do this, there's going to be war. 999 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,680 If you don't do this, the war is going to be perpetual. 1000 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,040 If you don't do this, by the end of the war, there's just going 1001 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,800 to be another war. You have to do this. 1002 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,080 And eventually Lincoln bends to the abolitionist and says, yes, 1003 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,520 we need a 13th amendment and the 13th amendment has to be to 1004 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,160 abolish slavery. So in a matter of like 3-4 1005 00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,280 years, Lincoln goes from the anti slavery, moderate, anti 1006 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,640 abolitionist candidate who says we need to, you know, just we 1007 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,360 need to compromise on this to being like, yeah, we need to 1008 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,920 abolish this. That was very that was very 1009 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,040 quick. And what made it happen so quick 1010 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:25,480 was the firing on Sumner, the OR the caning of Sumner, the firing 1011 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,560 on the Fort, You know, the John Brown stuff, all the insanity, 1012 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,160 the northern, the, I'll call it Northern war of aggression. 1013 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,000 Like all the stuff, it's just judgement. 1014 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,480 It was a mess. It was like not the way to get 1015 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,280 rid of chattel slavery. It was like the wrong, the worst 1016 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,760 possible way. But because they had had, you 1017 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,760 know, 30-40 years of bona fide prophetic people saying, if we 1018 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,440 don't abolish to slavery, we'll be judged by God. 1019 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,680 And the pulpit, the press, the politicians, everyone had 1020 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,680 basically said, you lunatics are out of your mind. 1021 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,080 God's not going to judge us. Everything's fine. 1022 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,440 Sit down, go home, shut up. God had basically, you know, 1023 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,360 unbeknownst to us, there's a John Brown, you know, saying, 1024 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,400 telling his abolitionist buddies, Hey, all your preaching 1025 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,400 and all your moral suasion and all your repent for the Kingdom 1026 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,920 of God. It's a hand stuff isn't working. 1027 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,400 They're not repenting. So I'm going to form a militia 1028 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,840 and I'm going to cause a slave uprising and kind of in his sort 1029 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,200 of delusional, like I'll be the sword of God. 1030 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,400 Maybe he wasn't delusional. I don't know. 1031 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,080 I don't want to speak for him. I'll be the sword of God. 1032 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,880 I will go fight. I will go start this war and 1033 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:51,920 the, the, the general for the South hangs John Brown, you 1034 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,200 know, and the Supreme Court Justice who had to swear in the 1035 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,240 Supreme Court Justice who wrote the Dred Scott opinion has to 1036 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,360 swear in Abraham Lincoln. I mean, it's like all this sort 1037 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,640 of weird prophetic stuff and from John Brown's death to the 1038 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,720 end of the Civil War somehow, and I'm not a, in case you 1039 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,120 didn't see it, I'm not a huge fan of Abraham Lincoln. 1040 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,040 But somehow in that period, Lincoln went from I don't have 1041 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,520 anything to do with you radical abolitionist to being like, I 1042 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,120 have to do with these radical abolitionists because like the 1043 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,440 country, it's chaos. Well, I don't, I don't want it 1044 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,360 to be a war. I don't want it to be a war. 1045 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,280 But I think there's going to be some kind of judgement. 1046 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,880 And then I think if the abolitionist have done a good 1047 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,760 enough job to say we are under the judgement of God, we must 1048 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,800 repent. When that judgement comes, I 1049 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,760 think the quickness of OK, let's stop doing this is going to 1050 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,120 happen. And it comes in a period of, of, 1051 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,400 of turmoil and, and tumult and so on. 1052 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,640 And and that makes sense I guess. 1053 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,720 It's going to suck. I think it's going to suck. 1054 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,400 It's really going to suck. But it's not going to be our, 1055 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,920 it's not going to be our fault. It's going to be the fault of 1056 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:04,800 the the slow to repent, just the constant delay of the past, you 1057 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,240 know, 5 decades. Let's take a, let's take a quick 1058 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,760 breather. We'll recharge our cups and I 1059 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,440 want to come back and talk about language. 1060 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,200 I want to talk about the specifics of it and how you 1061 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,360 fight the war in kind of that space. 1062 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,080 So I think there's a lot to be talked about there. 1063 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,960 So we'll take a quick breather and then we'll we'll jump back 1064 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,320 into it. Awesome. 1065 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,280 Hey folks. Thanks for joining us for the 1066 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,600 program. As you noticed, we just jumped 1067 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,960 right into it. 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Because you use some language 1097 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,360 that I believe that it is very specific. 1098 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,920 And I also think that at this time it is way less 1099 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,000 controversial than it probably was 15 years ago. 1100 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,960 But you've used the word baby sacrifice, murder, you're using 1101 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,800 some pretty charged language. Even abolitionist itself is kind 1102 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,240 of like a kind of a lean to that. 1103 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,840 Is that fair? Yeah, I mean, I think. 1104 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,240 Language as as weapon. Let's talk about language or 1105 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,440 where that where the battle is culturally with with words. 1106 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,320 Yeah. Well, First off, I do remember 1107 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,560 15 years ago when I said, you know, just that the, the first 1108 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,280 catch phrase, like the first, it was like, I want to bring the 1109 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,000 gospel of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ into conflict with the 1110 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,040 evil of child sacrifice. And, and the elders at the 1111 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,480 church were like, could you tone that down? 1112 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,680 But they couldn't tone it down because the, the pastor was 1113 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,480 like, he was like a big, you know, warrior. 1114 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,400 So he's like, I can't really tell, but I can tell it's kind 1115 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,000 of like, that's not going to work like calling abortion child 1116 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,280 sacrifice. And so I was like, OK, it's 1117 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,040 human abortion, child sacrifice, you know, So I remember saying 1118 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,360 that and getting told don't do that, and then calling abortion 1119 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,720 A Holocaust. You can't do that. 1120 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:48,200 And I'm like, well, literally the phrase Holocaust was putting 1121 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,800 putting babies through the fire. It was the word used to refer to 1122 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,080 what the ancient Israelites did whenever they put their children 1123 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,200 into the molten hot hands of a Moloch statue to burn their 1124 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,640 babies. And God, when he said, I can't 1125 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,080 believe you put your children through the fire, that's 1126 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,520 Holocaust, you know, and they use the word referencing from 1127 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,640 then on to the the Jewish Holocaust. 1128 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,760 And so they were already using it, you know, an earlier thing 1129 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,760 and they prefer Showa and all that kind of stuff. 1130 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,520 So I was like, yeah, I'm going to use the word Holocaust. 1131 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,320 But people told it don't use Holocaust. 1132 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,520 Don't use child sacrifice. And then chief more than those 1133 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,400 don't use murder and don't use murder was coming not from the 1134 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,080 left, not from, you know, pro abortion people. 1135 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,240 It was coming from pro lifers. Don't call it murder. 1136 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,040 Why? Well, because it's off putting. 1137 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,200 We're trying to reach these people. 1138 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,560 You're trying to save their babies. 1139 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,080 Don't tell them they're murderers. 1140 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,480 And I'm like, that's what they are like. 1141 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,280 Tell the tell the freaking truth. 1142 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,800 Like they people who murder their children are murderers. 1143 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,880 The act of abortion is murder. If we don't call it murder. 1144 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,480 We're educating the culture to believe it's not murder. 1145 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,240 And there and then they'd feedback loot me and they'd say, 1146 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,160 yeah, but people don't think it's murder. 1147 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,120 And so it's going to be shocking. 1148 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,480 OK. You know why they don't think 1149 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,880 it's murder? Because all your mis education 1150 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,360 like you're telling him it's not murder. 1151 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,680 Like when you write language like the first time that we put 1152 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,720 forward language, you know, is an initiative petition to put 1153 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,080 abortion is murder. It should be abolished on the 1154 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,640 ballot in Oklahoma. And the ACLU sued. 1155 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,600 And, you know. And I went to the Oklahoma 1156 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,480 Supreme Court and. Lost that that. 1157 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,160 Case you know, you know, because Roe V Wade said that it already 1158 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,080 been settled, but that was abortion is murder. 1159 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,880 It's the intentional destruction of human beings in the womb. 1160 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,120 It should be abolished. The laws against murder should 1161 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,440 be applied equally to all people. 1162 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,560 A senator in the Oklahoma freshman senator, Oklahoma State 1163 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,440 Senate had a heartbeat bill and he is like, you know what 1164 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,240 heartbeat bill kind of weak. I'm going to go with this. 1165 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,880 And he gutted his heartbeat bill protect babies that have 1166 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,280 heartbeats gutted it floor Subs. It had already passed through 1167 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,360 committee a floor substitute it he took our petition language 1168 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,840 that the ACLU had kept us from collecting signatures for took 1169 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,640 that language, put it into the bill. 1170 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,880 And so is abortion is homicide. And and that ended up, you know, 1171 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,080 getting ignored on the Senate floor because it was a, you 1172 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,280 know, pro-life, conservative dominated Senate and they 1173 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,480 weren't going to do that. And it was, it was too harsh. 1174 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,640 Don't call it murder. And so that was 2016. 1175 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,920 But a lot of the sort of pro-life leaders across the 1176 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,440 country, we're kind of like saying you can't do this. 1177 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,360 It'll never stick, it'll never work. 1178 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,480 And would have like recommendations like on their 1179 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,560 websites when you go out and you're holding signs, don't say 1180 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,920 abortion is murder. And and, and big conflicts don't 1181 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,480 abortion is killing, but it's not murder. 1182 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,120 And I was always like, why? And it's well, it's because if 1183 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,640 it's murder, you can't write language, you can't write 1184 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:07,120 legislation calling abortion murder, because if you do that, 1185 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,840 then all of a sudden it's a homicide issue. 1186 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,560 And so that the the bills, all the pro-life bills were Health 1187 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,920 and Human services issues regulating like, you know, where 1188 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,320 abortion clinics were, you know, put and with the size of their 1189 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,120 hallways and what you had to do before you got the abortions, 1190 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,120 like look at an ultrasound, have these kinds of instruments, have 1191 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,480 this kind of degree, this kind of license, all this kind of 1192 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,720 stuff. None of it was in the homicide 1193 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,200 code. And so abolitionist, we're like, 1194 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,880 it's murder. It should be treated as murder. 1195 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,280 They didn't want to call it murder because that would like 1196 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,160 open up that can of worms of all of their legislation fights 1197 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,920 abortion without fighting it as murder. 1198 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,040 And so they were doing again, this namby pamby, politically 1199 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,000 correct, more compassionate than Christ, fighting abortion 1200 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,680 without calling abortion murder or child sacrifice. 1201 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,240 So they said it was stupid that no organization doing that would 1202 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,960 ever gain any traction and that no legislator would ever carry 1203 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,480 that kind of bill. Like, I mean, I literally was in 1204 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,040 an e-mail exchange with the leader of Students for Life of 1205 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,720 America who said, yeah, abortion is murder. 1206 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,600 And you know that that is what they should write, but they'll 1207 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,400 never write it. You'll never find a legislator 1208 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,960 who does that and then found one. 1209 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,120 And it's like, you know, and we don't even allow people to put 1210 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,640 that on their signs. And slowly but surely over 15 1211 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:34,280 years, you've seen more and more, you know, establishment 1212 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,520 pro-life groups easing up, allowing abortion to be murder 1213 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,800 more and more, calling it child sacrifice, connecting it to 1214 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,040 ancient child sacrifice, all kind of stuff. 1215 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,200 But I, I'm, I'm going too quick again. 1216 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,960 But if I can back up child sacrifice, like literally all 1217 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,800 nations in rebellion to God over time, anytime you've had a 1218 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,760 nation that's sort of like at odds with King Jesus, they 1219 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,760 practice child sacrifice in their people and they allow it 1220 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,320 in their laws. Our nation obviously not 1221 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,360 following God practices child sacrifice, allows it in our 1222 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,840 laws. We call it abortion and we've 1223 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,960 sterilized it. And we don't like have, well, 1224 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,600 sometimes we do, but we don't generally have, you know, 1225 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,680 statues of demons around. But the people. 1226 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,240 Chances. Yeah, well, I mean, it's funny. 1227 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,040 It's like if you actually go and you like, if you, if you could 1228 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,840 get into and like just visit all the receptionist of all the 1229 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,520 Planned Parenthood's across the United States of America, you'd 1230 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,920 be stunned at how many of them are like Wiccans and witches and 1231 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,640 all this kind of stuff. I mean, it's, it's nothing has 1232 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,560 changed. We just sterilized it and have 1233 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,880 perfected it. And so it is child sacrifice. 1234 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,480 It's the same thing. Like people want more grain, 1235 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,840 more, better, you know, abundance of crops and all that 1236 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,640 kind of stuff like rain, whatever. 1237 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,680 They want a better life. And they look at their situation 1238 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,080 and they have a certain amount of money and they can only feed 1239 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,440 two kids or one kid. So the other kids got to die. 1240 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,360 It's the same thing. It's just we're a modern, 1241 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,920 enlightened, secular, humanistic scientific culture. 1242 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,120 So we don't call it, you know, child sacrifice to demons. 1243 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:21,720 We, we call it, you know, my, my means to liberty and, you know, 1244 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,320 whatever women's rights, all kind of stuff. 1245 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,960 Reproduction, yeah. And we've also. 1246 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,240 Commercialized it in a way that it's, it's, it's gone through 1247 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,840 the same thing. The Industrial Revolution dead, 1248 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:29,920 right. I mean, you can, it's 1249 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,920 industrialized. It's there's a whole now we can 1250 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,600 make money off it. People are making money off it. 1251 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,600 They're selling off the parts. They're, you know, it's like 1252 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,040 slaughtering the Buffalo, except it's actual people. 1253 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,640 And yeah. Yeah, but it's, it's mass. 1254 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,800 You know, if there's a, there's a certain sense where you have 1255 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,720 these really big organizations that have kind of perfected it 1256 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,480 that, you know, like you can, if you live in Oklahoma and you 1257 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,360 want to get an abortion, it's the easiest. 1258 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,120 It's easier now than it ever has been. 1259 01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,360 You just get on Google, you type in I, I live in a, a pro-life 1260 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,680 RedState. There are no abortion 1261 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,920 freestanding abortion mills. What do I do? 1262 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,160 Oh, here's pills like we order them like for free all the time. 1263 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,320 Like we like abolitionist in Oklahoma or Texas or wherever 1264 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,920 where it's been banned. We'll get online and order 1265 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,560 abortion pills. You get them, you know, three to 1266 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,680 five days, you can get them from India or the last time that I 1267 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,480 ordered abortion pills, I got them from Austin, TX for free. 1268 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:28,400 And so it's kind of it's, it's, it's just so perfected that you 1269 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,360 used to have to kind of like go to a place, set up an 1270 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,960 appointment and follow all these regulations. 1271 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,280 And now you just get online like anything in our culture, order 1272 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,760 it and it's there and you take it in the, in the comfort of 1273 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,120 your home. But it's the same thing. 1274 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,280 It's the malice aforethought, which is what makes it murder. 1275 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,480 It's like the I peed on a stick. It said I'm pregnant, I am with 1276 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,600 child. I don't want to be with child 1277 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,080 right now. I'm allowed to kill them. 1278 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,360 I won't be allowed to kill them after they're born. 1279 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,560 So I can kill them now I can do it for 300 to 600, whatever 1280 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,840 dollars or free, you know, if I, if I reach out to some, you 1281 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,080 know, liberal group that's like, you know, that's they're they're 1282 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,480 they're gaining their fulfillment in life by making 1283 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,360 abortion pills available to whoever wants them. 1284 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,880 And it's just, it's just that easy. 1285 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,680 So we have perfected the practice of child sacrifice. 1286 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:30,440 We call it abortion. And that's that whole charade 1287 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:35,200 needs to be dismantled. So that's why I mean, I probably 1288 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,680 call abortion child sacrifice more often than I call it 1289 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,840 abortion, but I make sure that I also call it abortion or human 1290 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,280 abortion so that people know that I'm not fighting, you know, 1291 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,400 some other kind of, you know, putting a child on a stone and 1292 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,280 stabbing it type type thing. The other the other one. 1293 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,520 I I won't really deal with Holocaust. 1294 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,880 I already kind of did abolitionist itself. 1295 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,920 The reason that you have to have a term like abolitionist is 1296 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,160 there's it destroys the ambiguity. 1297 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:10,120 Like if I say I'm a pro lifer, say the debate comes up about 1298 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:15,520 abortion and you ask people and someone says I'm pro-life, that 1299 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,640 it really doesn't tell you. It tells you what they would. 1300 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,439 That's their moral opinion. Like in the option of choosing 1301 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,840 abortion or not choosing abortion, I am pro. 1302 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,080 I'm on the side of life, right? But I could be personally 1303 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,359 pro-life. I could be pro-life for me, but 1304 01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:36,560 not necessarily for you or the other side, which I see all the 1305 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,200 time. The pro choicers, they're 1306 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,279 actually making an argument that they are pro-life, they're pro 1307 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,600 the life of the mother. Like they're pro women. 1308 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,120 And they think that women are not free unless they are allowed 1309 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,040 to terminate their pregnancies, kill their children. 1310 01:08:54,399 --> 01:09:00,080 And so they consider themselves doing something that's pro the 1311 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,359 life they want to protect. And so you don't really know. 1312 01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,479 And so a pro-choice and a pro-life, both of those being 1313 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:10,439 pro pro-choice, pro-life are both in agreement that abortion 1314 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,439 is a choice and that it is something that is there that 1315 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,319 we're not taking away, but we are trying to recommend. 1316 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,960 Like if you listen to pro-life rhetoric, it's choose life, you 1317 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,279 know, like what? You shouldn't have that choice. 1318 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,200 And so because all of this was happening and I was doing the 1319 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,399 history historical stuff and I just, I loved man, I loved the 1320 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:34,120 abolitionist of slavery. I know some people like probably 1321 01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,680 have some bones to pick with them about some things, some 1322 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,800 pacifism stuff or some theological things and whatever, 1323 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,800 you know, get in the weeds about all that. 1324 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,120 But I, I, I truly looked at these men and admired them. 1325 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,520 They were they were willing to fight for their disregarded 1326 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,240 neighbors, fellow image bearers, even if they themselves, we're 1327 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,840 going to lose everything for it. Like people who could have been 1328 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,360 Prime Minister deciding, no, I'm going to I'm going to put 1329 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,360 forward bills to abolish the slave trade every year for 20 1330 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,120 years like William Wilberforce. And so I was like, I really 1331 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,080 admired these these men. And I was like, OK, I want to be 1332 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,760 like these abolitionists. So that was one of the reasons 1333 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,000 kind of leaning towards that name. 1334 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,800 But it wasn't just like a this is rhetorically powerful. 1335 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,240 It was it's, it's technically accurate. 1336 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:29,960 Like there are laws that allow the like in the murder code, it 1337 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,320 says you're not allowed to murder except by legal abortion. 1338 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,680 The law had to be abolished. When you look at the Declaration 1339 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,760 of Independence, when in the course of human events, 1340 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:46,840 governments are established that do not uphold the inherent 1341 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,400 innate, the inalienable rights to life, liberty, pursuit of 1342 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,320 happiness, property, like when governments allow people to 1343 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,680 steal and kill, those governments need to be altered 1344 01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,400 or abolished. You know, so I'm like, OK, this 1345 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,640 is our founding document. Like if there was a, you know, 1346 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,640 like the Declaration of Independence is an abolitionist 1347 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,040 document. They're literally abolishing the 1348 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,000 previous government and starting a new one. 1349 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,240 And so I'm like, there's so much strength. 1350 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,080 And then whenever someone asks you what is your position on 1351 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:26,960 abortion and you say I'm an abolitionist, yes, people might 1352 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,720 be like, wait, doesn't have to something to do with slavery. 1353 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,960 But immediately you've got the table set to talk about, you 1354 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,560 know, that image of God stuff that we were talking about. 1355 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,640 You got the good historical connection to to to men and 1356 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,680 women who fought the good fight and won. 1357 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,760 You've got all that, the historical, philosophical, 1358 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,560 cultural stuff. And then when it comes down to 1359 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,480 it, you've got the technical strength of these laws need to 1360 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:59,000 be abolished. And I'm not calling for the 1361 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,800 regulation of abortion. I'm calling for the abolition of 1362 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,800 abortion. I'm not calling for, you know, 1363 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:11,280 the gradual, you know, the sort of like the incremental 1364 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,720 decreasing of abortion. I'm calling for its total and 1365 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,600 utter abolition. And so yeah, it, it was a very 1366 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,280 purposeful, all those reasons and more, if you believe me. 1367 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,920 But all those reason, it's like we're going to go with 1368 01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,000 abolitionist because no one's going to be confused. 1369 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,120 You can be a personally pro-life person, but it, when you're 1370 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,960 saying you're an abolitionist, you're not saying what just what 1371 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,200 you want, you're saying what should be done for everybody 1372 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,880 else. Like that law, that practice 1373 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,440 should be abolished. So you're not it's so it kills 1374 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:47,920 the ambiguity. And so that's why we went with 1375 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,360 abolitionist early on. I was very the the final thing 1376 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:56,240 and I'll kind of set up for another question is that in the 1377 01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,720 early days, like I wanted to be very specific about abolishing 1378 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:06,440 human abortion and pref putting a preference on the word human 1379 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:12,680 instead of on person because one, there are non human persons 1380 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,840 like Satan and dolphins. Maybe not. 1381 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,680 Maybe dolphins aren't persons. Dolphins and chimps and aliens 1382 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,280 you know there are non human. You got to have for that. 1383 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,520 I saw it. It was right next time. 1384 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,520 Let me put that back for the aliens. 1385 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,320 For the non human persons. Yeah, there's non human persons, 1386 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,280 but no one doubts that, you know, there's non human persons. 1387 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,040 Like at least Christians, like Satan is a person. 1388 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,880 If you doubt that Satan's a person, you're a heretic. 1389 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,120 You know he's a person. And you know angels are persons. 1390 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,200 Jesus has always been a person, but in the incarnation he became 1391 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,840 human. So human beings are made in the 1392 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,720 image of God. And so I want it and I still do, 1393 01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,680 the stress that it is our humanness, our being made in the 1394 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:06,160 image of God that makes us unmurderable or that should 1395 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,080 prohibit our murder. Because an attack on a human is 1396 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:14,360 an attack on God, whereas an attack on a cow is not an attack 1397 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,800 on God. It's the attack. 1398 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,880 It's, you know, it's killing a creature, but it's a creature 1399 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,720 that can be killed because it's not a made in the image of God. 1400 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,000 So because of the incarnation of Christ that elevated humans and 1401 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,040 because of the image of God that elevates humans. 1402 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:33,720 So very specifically, it's about our humanity that makes abortion 1403 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,000 something that should be totally prohibited. 1404 01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:41,600 And if you go with human instead of person, you don't have to 1405 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,480 fight the battles about like when personhood begins. 1406 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,760 Personhood can be attached to, you know, once you have a 1407 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:56,080 personality, once you have utility, once you have conscious 1408 01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,600 thoughts or self actualization, you know, so you can start 1409 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,360 saying like when does a human become a person? 1410 01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,560 And I'm like, well, biblically speaking, philosophically 1411 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,000 speaking, a human never becomes a human. 1412 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,320 A human is always a human. So there's a robustness to that 1413 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:20,120 philosophically that allows you to protect human embryos before 1414 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,240 implantation and tons of abortions happen to human 1415 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,800 embryos before implantation or human embryos before they, they 1416 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,160 look like us. So, so choosing to make it about 1417 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,440 our, our, our humanness, our image of God bearing quality 1418 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,560 over our person, our personhood status was a was a conscious 1419 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,080 choice early on. So that's why you hear a lot of 1420 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,840 abolitionists will generally say human abortion frequently. 1421 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,840 So there's a lot of other things, but all these words are 1422 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:02,480 it is weapons. It is, it is if you can create, 1423 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,280 if you can create the situation where you have pro lifers, pro 1424 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,240 choicers and abolitionists, all of a sudden you've set up an 1425 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:14,080 opportunity for people to, you know, have to like, repent, have 1426 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,320 to change their paradigm. They have to go from pro-life to 1427 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,720 abolition. If you don't come up with a 1428 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:25,200 term, you just have this sort of like you just have this, well, 1429 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,320 all these different kinds of pro lifers and that you're 1430 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,080 constantly, well, I'm pro-life without exception or pro-life 1431 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,680 without compromise, you know, pro-life with exceptions and all 1432 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,360 this kind of stuff. So wanted to create that 1433 01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:45,080 position and bid people to, you know, assess it and either 1434 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,280 accept it or reject it. All right, I've got an idea in 1435 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,360 my head that I'm going to try to flesh out into to to verbage 1436 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,880 when we talk about things in the military, which is a frame of 1437 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,520 reference I keep. We've got combatants and non 1438 01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,840 combatants. You can still be in the military 1439 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,560 and not be a combatant, right? You could be a cook, you could 1440 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,760 be an admin person, you could be finance, logistics, you could be 1441 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,640 a mechanic and so on. But there's a certain group of 1442 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,680 people, a certain subset. Usually it's a 12 to one ratio, 1443 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,040 what they call it tooth to tail. Most people in the movement in 1444 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,000 the military are actually not involved in combat. 1445 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,000 Most people are involved in preparing and supporting the 1446 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,320 eventual warfighter. We're hearing this focus with 1447 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,800 this, this new administration talking about going back to the 1448 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,000 warfighter P tech set and so on, which I enjoy that kind of that 1449 01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,240 thing. For me, it's very interesting 1450 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,800 hearing you speak, specifically choosing words that are weapons, 1451 01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:36,280 being a combatant in the way that you engage and the fact 1452 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:41,200 that there's a a lot of pro-life groups that I've seen that maybe 1453 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:42,800 I've been to. I've been to the March for Life. 1454 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,160 I've listened to the speeches they had. 1455 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,560 It is very, very heavy on the female end of things and a lot 1456 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,520 of them are not combatants, not the way that you just described 1457 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,560 it. Yeah, they're actually looking 1458 01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:58,160 for ways to. Yeah, ameliorationist to you. 1459 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:02,320 One of the things that I've seen so strange, I guess, in my last 1460 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,240 Psalm 43, so in the, in the 43 years in the planet of which 1461 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,800 I've been alert for, let's call it, I don't know, 30 something 1462 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,160 of them. There's an imbalance right now 1463 01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,280 in the masculine and the feminine for our country. 1464 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,200 And it does seem like maybe some of the, the traction that you 1465 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,600 guys have gotten must come from men going like, hey, man, we've 1466 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,480 been sitting on the sidelines. We haven't been participating. 1467 01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:27,160 This was, you know, not our thing. 100%. 1468 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,240 It's time to get involved. This is a war. 1469 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,280 You use the words murder and killing, which is interesting. 1470 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,880 I'm going to throw something at you which is not it doesn't fit 1471 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,520 the paradigm that you have. It's just something for you to 1472 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,480 chew on and maybe, maybe it maybe it it catches you later. 1473 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,800 I had a buddy with a green Beret, like a really capable 1474 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,880 green Beret, straight up killer. No other way to say it. 1475 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,920 And and a good person, like a solid moral ground. 1476 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:51,280 And at one point in time I said, you know, I want to I want to 1477 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,840 get into the military because I just want to go just just murder 1478 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,840 evil out there in the world. He goes, no, no, no, Murder is a 1479 01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,560 crime and it's it's done by amateurs. 1480 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,440 Killing is what professionals do. 1481 01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,360 And there actually is a sort of a nuance, I think to speaking 1482 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,920 about what it's gone from. I think, I think maybe abortion 1483 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,160 started off as murder, but now it's killing because of the way 1484 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,440 that they do it and the sophistication and the 1485 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:18,080 professionality of it and the and the industrialization that 1486 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,480 we talked about. Just something for you to chew 1487 01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:20,760 on. I have no idea whether that hits 1488 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,920 you right. It has hit me immediately. 1489 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,040 I would say one thing without going off on too much of A 1490 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,080 trail, there is that a lot of times people say, well, who do 1491 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,040 you think should be punished? The abortionist or the the 1492 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,040 parents? And traditionally pro lifers are 1493 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,960 like the abortionist should be punished because they they're 1494 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,880 the ones doing the killing. The parents shouldn't. 1495 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:45,000 And I'm like, this is totally, this is, well, it's stupid when 1496 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,480 you really think about how stupid. 1497 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:47,800 Perfect analogy. How about hit? 1498 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,480 Yeah, they are hit men and they're hired. 1499 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,960 So the abortionist is not actually waking up in the 1500 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,200 morning, pulling on their pants, grabbing their abortion 1501 01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,720 instruments and going out in the culture, finding a baby to kill. 1502 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,960 They actually put up a sign, but, you know, make their 1503 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,160 services available and people bring their little human beings 1504 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,480 to them to be murdered. So the actual murder is being 1505 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,960 carried out. In the heart and in the mind of 1506 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,720 the mother, the father, whoever the people who bring the child 1507 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,080 to the abortionist and the abortionist is in sort of your 1508 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,840 framework, he's doing the killing. 1509 01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,160 He's the hired correct killer. And and so I think there's 1510 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:30,640 something definitely helpful there. 1511 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:37,280 But the the for for me, murder does require that Mens Rea, that 1512 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,600 malice aforethought and and it it doesn't mean that you're like 1513 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:46,400 mean malice, you know, it just means you have the the intention 1514 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,800 to terminate this human, even if it's. 1515 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,080 We have degrees of murder in in all of our murder codes. 1516 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,760 So just as I'm thinking through this and, and the analogy to it, 1517 01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,320 right, it's pretty clear. And, and as you said, one person 1518 01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,520 is a hired killer. Yeah, right. 1519 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,440 That is a professional. That's just, that's, yeah, it's 1520 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,080 we even think about it. We're like, what about a hitman? 1521 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,200 Like that's a professional. Like we make movies about these 1522 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,400 people. Yeah, they can be good guys. 1523 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,240 Yeah, they can be good guys in our movies. 1524 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,600 They're. Heroes, but they're, they're 1525 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,280 like anti heroes if we're being totally on right, but they're 1526 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,160 doing, they're killing for good or they're killing for the right 1527 01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:18,160 reasons or something. I don't know. 1528 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,040 But you know, we, we have killers that we have in our 1529 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,800 employed by our government that need to be there. 1530 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,800 Like they go overseas and they, they stop evil in its tracks 1531 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,240 regularly. I've got friends who said, you 1532 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,560 know, if you saw what these people did, dropping a bomb on 1533 01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,080 them is the best thing that could happen for the world. 1534 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,560 And you go, you go I'm. That's hard to argue against 1535 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,120 because there's some real evil and. 1536 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,720 It's really important to, to, to say that there's a difference 1537 01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,040 between killing and murder, especially whenever you're, you 1538 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,560 know, when you're dealing with people on the streets, they, 1539 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,920 they, they always will. Like, you know, and I know 1540 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,160 different people are in different places. 1541 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,360 I'm for capital punishment. I have no problem with it. 1542 01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:58,880 And so a just society is going to put to death, kill like the 1543 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,440 government is going to kill rapists and murderers. 1544 01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:06,400 And we know people who are duly tried and executed by the state. 1545 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,360 The state's bearing a sword of justice to do justice to 1546 01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,360 evildoers. And our culture, like wants to 1547 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,600 kill, like wants to allow the government is supposed to allow 1548 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,440 people to kill their children and protect murderers. 1549 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,120 It's just flipped. And I and I always say like, 1550 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,520 well, I think that the murderers forfeit of their lives, they 1551 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,880 should be put to death. You know, if I could just get 1552 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:36,280 you to take the same hatred that you have for babies and put it 1553 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:40,360 against the murderers, we, we would, we'd be on the same page. 1554 01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,720 And a lot of these, you know, they always bring up what about 1555 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,400 the rape exception and all this kind of stuff. 1556 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,960 And you're like, oh, yeah, I'm all for, I'm all for putting 1557 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,840 rapists to death. And they're like, what? 1558 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,040 And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, oh, they were 1559 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,160 bringing it up because they were trying to come up with a way to 1560 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,000 justify abortion, like bringing it. 1561 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,160 And I'm like, they never. It's like it's net. 1562 01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,080 Like I've done this for so many years, talked to so many 1563 01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,600 hundreds of people, heard the what about rape over and over 1564 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,960 and over and over again. I always ask, you know, it's 1565 01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,680 probably annoying to the video editors. 1566 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,560 They're like, yeah, this, this makes the same short, you know, 1567 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,640 this makes the same video. It's like I always ask, is there 1568 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,920 anyone else that you would like like we're you're bringing this 1569 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,360 up? Is there like the baby? 1570 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,760 I'm saying the baby should be protected. 1571 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,600 Is there anyone else that you want to talk about? 1572 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:28,280 They never bring up the rapist. It's like they like need there 1573 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,200 to be rapist so that they can justify abortion. 1574 01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:37,000 It's it's insane. So I like to if fully embrace 1575 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,680 justice. It's all just it's about 1576 01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,120 justice. Like, yes, I want to save lives. 1577 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,520 I want to save babies. I want to, you know, you know, 1578 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,080 the little, little precious children. 1579 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,480 There's that whole appeal. But like going back to what you 1580 01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:54,200 kind of said, there's a sort of like feminine approach of like, 1581 01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,920 let's fight abortion by talking. Like you see these billboards of 1582 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,840 like beautiful little babies. It's always born babies like 1583 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,320 smiling, giggling, dribbling little dimples and red hair hair 1584 01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,160 color was, you know, just determined at conception. 1585 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:14,680 Save a life little born baby cute pink, blue butterflies like 1586 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,240 an American, like a like a baby wrapped in an American flag 1587 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:22,400 being carried by an eagle and you know, flowers like it's like 1588 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,600 that's like the pro-life movement and. 1589 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,240 Feels good. It feels good to people that 1590 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,800 that that are gentle. Yeah, save babies. 1591 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,160 And like The Who, who doesn't want to save babies? 1592 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,680 And then the abolitionists come along and they're like, do 1593 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:39,080 justice, like bear the sword of justice against evil doers. 1594 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,760 So it is like it's, it's, it's another one of these just 1595 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,000 dramatically different. And I do want, I do want to 1596 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,360 touch on it because it, this, this is, you know, I would say 1597 01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:53,400 in the, in the modern abolitionist movement, it is 1598 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,360 probably when you talk about rank and file members of 1599 01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,960 abolitionist groups, people who watch our videos, people who 1600 01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:03,040 participate in our missions and our conferences, It's, it's half 1601 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,440 and Half Men and women. But you know what, on the stage, 1602 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:10,200 you know, who's talking men, it's men, you know, who's out 1603 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,120 there like, you know, holding the signs and doing stuff and 1604 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,640 writing the literature and determining, like, I mean, some 1605 01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,280 women write the literature and do graphic design and all kind 1606 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,600 of stuff. But like, it's as far as like 1607 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:25,640 the strategy, the deployment of, you know, the missions and how 1608 01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,920 we do, what we do and why we do it in the way that we do in the 1609 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:32,320 words that we choose, It's men. And we don't have like, this 1610 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,400 concern coming along saying, well, our culture is real 1611 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,360 feminist. And like, we need to like, 1612 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,640 we'll, we'll get it. I'll get messages like, hey, I, 1613 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,960 I'm, I see this ad for your conference here in North 1614 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,680 Carolina and you've got 12 speakers and they're all men. 1615 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,240 Don't you think maybe you should have some women? 1616 01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:54,800 And I'm like, well, no, I mean, honestly, I have no problem with 1617 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,680 women speaking. And, you know, I'm not one of 1618 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,080 these women aren't, you know, shut up. 1619 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,000 Get in the kitchen. I'm not that bad guy, but. 1620 01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,320 Unless you want to be in the kitchen. 1621 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:05,720 My wife wants to be in the kitchen. 1622 01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,560 That's where she goes. That's why we we. 1623 01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,040 Want to have a conversation with my wife? 1624 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,280 I've got to go stand. I've got to stand near the oven. 1625 01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,600 That's her freaking office. That's her office. 1626 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,480 My office is here. Her office is there. 1627 01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,680 I think it's so funny that people think that this was not 1628 01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,240 like, like nobody forced. Maybe, maybe that's historically 1629 01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,920 the president, but I don't actually know that because I 1630 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,680 just am educated by television to show me what the historical 1631 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,160 thing look like. The whole concept of being 1632 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,720 barefoot and, and, and, and pregnant in the kitchen. 1633 01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,800 Like that's a choice that my mother, that my wife would make. 1634 01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:37,960 Like she was like, hey, where do you want to be? 1635 01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,160 Like, I want to be working here. I like softer floors if 1636 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:41,840 possible. And I want to go work. 1637 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,880 I've got all my tools. I've got my babies around me. 1638 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,120 She educates in the kitchen. She nurtures in the kitchen, She 1639 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,880 creates in the kitchen. She's baking, she's doing 1640 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,720 nutrition. You know, we're teaching my my 1641 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,120 little kids. I've got, I've got 4, yeah. 1642 01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,040 And, and, and they say the funniest things, like my, my son 1643 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,960 is 4 years old and he was like when I'm bigger and he goes, 1644 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,720 when I'm get bigger, I'm going to be a dad and then I'm going 1645 01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,440 to have big knives. It's like, OK, like you're going 1646 01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:09,800 to be a dad and you're going to have big knives. 1647 01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,320 Like I'm down with that. Like all of that is good. 1648 01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,360 And my daughters will talk about like when they were young and 1649 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,200 they're like 3 years old. They're like, how many babies 1650 01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:16,360 are you going to have? They're like, we're going to 1651 01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,440 have 12 babies. Like that's a lot of work. 1652 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,560 We want that for you. We'll be there to help. 1653 01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,240 Yeah, you. You know, natural. 1654 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,600 There. It's how we're designed. 1655 01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,400 And here's the thing, when there's something that makes a 1656 01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,240 noise outside, that's my job. My wife and I used to laugh 1657 01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,400 before we even had kids, you know, there'd be a noise in the 1658 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,600 house and she'd be like, I just heard something. 1659 01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,040 I go, what was it? She goes, I don't know. 1660 01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,440 Will you check it out? Yes. 1661 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,680 And you go kill that. Thing, look, that's what I 1662 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,600 signed up to be. I signed up to be the guy that 1663 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,120 goes and checks out what goes bump in the night. 1664 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,400 That's my job. My job is not, you know, she's 1665 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,080 the one who's right now. We were just talking about this 1666 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,880 on the during the week on the podcast and it was like she's 1667 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,240 sleeping on a couch upstairs because we're potty training 1668 01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,960 some of our kids to try to wake up in the middle of night and 1669 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,000 pee. I, I don't, I don't have that 1670 01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,640 like ability. I actually don't like I'm I'll 1671 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,320 be a useless the next day. She's able to function and still 1672 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,160 be compassionate. We actually have different 1673 01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,680 roles. Your role is combat. 1674 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,640 And clearly, I mean, you've even even the can you describe the, 1675 01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:10,160 the logo for people that are just listening to this? 1676 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:11,280 That's that's over your shoulder. 1677 01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,560 So like, oh, OK. What do we see in there? 1678 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,320 Because it looks. Like I can't see my shot. 1679 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:16,560 It's. Like flames in a mountain to me. 1680 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,120 Yeah, so, so we've got. Or a bear claw. 1681 01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,920 I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1682 01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,200 The ones we've been accused sometimes of all of our imagery 1683 01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,040 and symbolism and stuff is very masculine, you know, it's all 1684 01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,440 very, you know, and I and I'm literally like a history, 1685 01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:37,080 philosophy, art guy, you know, but I'm still a man. 1686 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,160 But anyway, with the beard, yeah, I got, you know, I got a, 1687 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:47,200 I'm the patriarchy, apparently. But the so it's, it's a, it's a 1688 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:53,080 visual representation of a 19th century quote that we, we have 1689 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:57,160 need to be all on fire for their mountains of ice all around us 1690 01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,680 to melt. So it's a reference to the 1691 01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:04,200 apathy and the indifference. So abolitionists and in the 19th 1692 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,560 century were told to stop being so harsh, you know, so Garrison, 1693 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,000 you know, famously whenever he unfurled his, you know, the 1694 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,120 banner of the Liberator and he started publishing his 1695 01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,760 abolitionist paper that was going to take a a radically 1696 01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,920 different tone and approach total and immediate abolitionist 1697 01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,040 shadow slavery instead of gradual colonizationist 1698 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:27,880 incremental schemes. He said I will be harsh as truth 1699 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,560 and as uncompromising as justice. 1700 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,880 And so the idea was whenever someone's, you know, if 1701 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,400 someone's like raping your wife, you're not going, you know, 1702 01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,120 she's going to give a moderate alarm. 1703 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,000 You're not going to come in and be like, excuse me, Sir, you 1704 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,760 know, you're going to going to put an end to it. 1705 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:49,040 You know, the, the idea that whenever some evil is being 1706 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,280 done, that you would approach it with a soft tone almost sort of 1707 01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,560 makes that evil less evil. So the abolitionists were told, 1708 01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,800 stop being so harsh. Stop calling slavery a crime 1709 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,920 because you call it a crime. That's saying all these people 1710 01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,000 that are practicing this are criminals and that's not the way 1711 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,560 to reach them, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 1712 01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:12,760 So he said the reason we have to be as harsh as truth is we have 1713 01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,600 to be agitators. So they embrace the role. 1714 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,480 The country had become very just tolerant, like even the people 1715 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:25,000 that weren't practicing chattel slavery, we're tolerating it. 1716 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:28,280 We did accepted it and it just did become something sort of 1717 01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,600 like a necessary evil like it's going on in the South. 1718 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,960 But all the textile factories in the North, they needed the 1719 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,880 cotton. You know, it's always like a 1720 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,160 partnership and a toleration. And so the the agitator, the 1721 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:45,400 dissident in this culture of death was told to, to, to calm 1722 01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,080 down. And he said, no, we have to 1723 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,320 agitate, agitate, agitate if we stop agitating. 1724 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,920 We're part of the problem. And so the mountains of ice 1725 01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,640 represent the apathy. Like you've got this mountain, 1726 01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,600 but it's frozen. It's like, think about it as the 1727 01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,040 church. You got all these professing 1728 01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:06,160 Christians that just seem to be just cold. 1729 01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,600 Their hearts are cold. They're frozen, you know, or 1730 01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,360 maybe they're lukewarm, but like they're against it, but they're 1731 01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,520 not. Like they're not living or 1732 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,040 acting as though children are being murdered or in their 1733 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,200 context, children are being sold away from their fathers and 1734 01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,320 mothers, that families are being destroyed. 1735 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:27,360 So we must be fire so that those mountains of ice can melt. 1736 01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,960 And in in ours you've got the the mountain of ice being 1737 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,720 melted, melted by fire. And under the low, under the 1738 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,440 words abolitionist rising, you have the sort of melt. 1739 01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:43,720 And in the melt you have the AHA symbol, abolish human abortion. 1740 01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,720 So in a right side, right side up a abolish. 1741 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,520 And then you have two eyes, image of God, incarnation of 1742 01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:57,440 Christ, value of humans and then an upside down a for So if you 1743 01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:02,280 can see it, AHAI don't know if it, you can see it there. 1744 01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:06,560 So abolish human abortion, which is a abolitionist symbol that's 1745 01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:11,560 to from 2010, but it's incorporated in that's a symbol 1746 01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:16,000 for abolitionist, but it's incorporated into our logo 1747 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,040 because there's a difference between logos and symbols. 1748 01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:22,120 The symbol can be used by anyone who adopts abolitionist ideas, 1749 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,920 but since we adopt those abolitionist ideas from the 1750 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:31,480 earlier time and other people use that aha symbol themselves. 1751 01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,600 So we're just saying we're an abolitionist organization. 1752 01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,520 But one last thing on the on the feminine and masculine thing, 1753 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,960 because I think I said it and then we kind of went off into, 1754 01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,120 you know, talking about our wives in the kitchen, which is 1755 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,800 good. Is that when the demand to like 1756 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:52,280 have female speakers? Like I do think there's a play. 1757 01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,840 There's like one of the best books written on this topic is 1758 01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,560 called Post Row Reformation. And it's by an abolitionist 1759 01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,760 named Kayla Suderman. It's available on Amazon. 1760 01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,240 It's just post row Reformation. It's dealing with, OK, so Roe's 1761 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,240 been repealed. What needs to happen, You know, 1762 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:14,200 looking at the the rise of the abolitionist movement, Well, 1763 01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:18,880 she's she's a female author, you know, she's very active in the 1764 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,240 abolitionist movement. There are lots of women that are 1765 01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,320 very active in the abolitionist movement. 1766 01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,240 You know, they're probably as active or more active in some of 1767 01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,840 the chats that I'm in, you know, where, you know, they're just 1768 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,520 very active. They're, they're holding signs, 1769 01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,160 they're going on the marches, they're passing out the 1770 01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,280 literature, they're doing all the stuff, you know, they're 1771 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,280 working in various ways that they are. 1772 01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:46,000 But those female abolitionist love and appreciate that men 1773 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:51,320 lead, that men are on the bullhorns and holding the signs. 1774 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,440 When you look at the pro-life movement, and I know we've been 1775 01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:57,200 very critical of them, and I'm not saying all pro lifers are 1776 01:33:57,480 --> 01:33:59,960 like this, but when you look at the pro-life movement, when you 1777 01:33:59,960 --> 01:34:02,800 look at all these groups, Students for Life of America, 1778 01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:08,000 female leader, live action female leader, right? 1779 01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,720 Susan B Anthony, female leader, March for Life, female. 1780 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:17,280 It's like they have all believed that they have to actually meet 1781 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,400 this cultural requirement. Like you can't talk about 1782 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,440 abortion unless you have a uterus. 1783 01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,840 That's insane. That's, that's what the pro 1784 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,400 choicers say. You can't talk about abortion 1785 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,680 unless you're a woman. It's like, no, this is a human 1786 01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:36,320 rights justice issue. That's what this is, and men 1787 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:40,800 should be leading the way in seeking to establish justice. 1788 01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:46,240 But if it's about saving babies and being compassionate and 1789 01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,960 running a daycare for babies that were going to be aborted or 1790 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,800 something like that, you have women lead that. 1791 01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,960 But that's not the sort of thing you need to establish justice. 1792 01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,520 You're provoking and you're going to provoke. 1793 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,280 I mean, I have to imagine you provoke some violence or some 1794 01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,720 physical at least threat at the very end of it. 1795 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,800 So that's that's where I, I don't want women to face that. 1796 01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,120 I like there's crazy people out there, which we both see. 1797 01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:11,280 I mean, I've seen it on some of your videos. 1798 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,360 I've seen it just in the world and in my previous life. 1799 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,200 There's some real nutty people that have some real wild ideas 1800 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:17,720 that they think they can get away with physically. 1801 01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,040 I wonder if we. Got right now. 1802 01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,200 Right now I've got a lecture scheduled. 1803 01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:23,600 Sorry, sorry, this is so this is appropriate. 1804 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,840 Sorry, we have AI have a lecture in April 24th or something. 1805 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,080 I I don't know. I wish I could give a good plug 1806 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:35,000 here, but I'm giving a talk at Eastern Tennessee University for 1807 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,680 students for abolition and Turning Point USA student groups 1808 01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:42,680 there and I'm giving a talk on abolition and, and a student 1809 01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,160 like, I mean, I think he's a graduate student who works for 1810 01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,400 the IT department in Eastern Tennessee. 1811 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,960 Got online and wrote, I'm going to Luigi Mangino this guy, come 1812 01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,800 watch me Luigi Mangino this guy when he comes to campus. 1813 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,640 Well, he, he pulled that death threat down, you know, a few 1814 01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,760 minutes after he put it up. But some cops somewhere or 1815 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,040 somebody saw it, you know, And so we get a message and it's 1816 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:13,040 kind of like, I'm going to give a talk at a university and do 1817 01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:17,000 some activism. And before I get on the airplane 1818 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,440 and fly there to give that talk, I have to deal with the fact 1819 01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,400 that there's a person there that says he's going to kill me, 1820 01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,280 right? I'm still going to go give the 1821 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:28,320 talk. For sure. 1822 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,480 Right. Well, now, what if it was 1823 01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,360 Abolitionist Rising was, you know, being led by, you know, 1824 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:40,000 mother of, you know, 4 kids, you know, who's, you know, got to, 1825 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,920 got to go to this, got to deal with this death threat. 1826 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,120 That's not for her. That's not her space. 1827 01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:46,480 That's not what's going on and that's not what's 1828 01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:49,000 psychologically she's built to deal with and all that kind of 1829 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,560 stuff. You know, they may pretend, you 1830 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,880 know, you know, I, I feel bad because, you know, Kristen 1831 01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,800 Hawkins is getting it pretty hard in your show here. 1832 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,800 But you know, she's, she's yeah. That's another thing. 1833 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,320 You set yourself up to be the leader of an organization. 1834 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:03,760 You got to take Flack. You got to take Flack and 1835 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,120 criticism and all this kind of stuff. 1836 01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,560 It's just regular. You can't throw a fit and be 1837 01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,080 like, stop being mean to me. You mean abolitionist, you know, 1838 01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,720 but that's the way they act towards us, because they're 1839 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,760 women being women and sorry. So I'm enjoying this only 1840 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,480 because I'm going to one. I'll catch some pay for it too, 1841 01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:21,600 which makes me laugh. I get women that listen to this. 1842 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,240 The other thing is the women that listen to my program on a 1843 01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:25,720 regular basis kind of understand. 1844 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,160 It's like this is what we're built for. 1845 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,280 You're you're clearly built very similar to me. 1846 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,600 We were talking, you know, kind of on break where it was like we 1847 01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,960 can do this for about 12 hours and we could probably go on and 1848 01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,040 provoke, you know, a bunch of really upset people anywhere I 1849 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,480 live outside of Austin. If you ever want to come here 1850 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:45,000 and have some fun with me, like I'll go down and I'll go down 1851 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,640 and head by people for you. Like, I don't know, I don't 1852 01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:47,760 care. Like if they want to get 1853 01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,800 physical with you, like you don't get to get physical, use 1854 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,720 your brain or I'm going to use my melon missile and we're going 1855 01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:53,840 to, you know, catch you off guard. 1856 01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,320 Men are built for conflict. That that's that's who the best 1857 01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,080 combatants are. That's why I use the word 1858 01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,000 combatant. And when people always, they'll 1859 01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,800 they'll apologize to me. They're like, oh, I'm so sorry 1860 01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:03,600 that you're taking all this flat. 1861 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,840 You're like, no, no, I'm on the field. 1862 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,600 This is where the hits happen. What if it's not coming? 1863 01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,640 I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing. 1864 01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,080 I'm not doing the proper agitation if I'm not getting 1865 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,120 people who are going to shill for a fill in the blank position 1866 01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,560 that is antithetical to mine. It doesn't matter if it's about 1867 01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,160 guns or civil liberties or whether it's about, you know, 1868 01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:21,960 limited government. Like I'm saying my thing 1869 01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:23,800 properly. Someone's pissed and I don't 1870 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:24,760 care. Like and. 1871 01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,360 They're going to get up in your face. 1872 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,520 Let them. Some ladies that come out that 1873 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,280 like will go out and you know, hold signs and stuff and you 1874 01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,840 know something, you see the videos and it's just like me. 1875 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,360 But there's, there's usually I, I am very rarely out there just 1876 01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:43,800 by myself. There's usually a group and the 1877 01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,880 ladies that one lady she's, she's very important to the 1878 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,680 movement. She helps run sort of like our 1879 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,760 administration stuff here with abolitionists rising. 1880 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,360 Well, she goes out and she does, you know, holds a sign hands 1881 01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,040 material out. We'll talk to people and 1882 01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,400 everything like that. But back when she was a pro 1883 01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,400 lifer and she was working for a pro-life organization, they 1884 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,280 want, they were like sort of like fostering and wanting her 1885 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,720 to be as combative and as fearless and as willing to like 1886 01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,720 mix it up on a college campus as the guys. 1887 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,360 And that was kind of like expected and, you know, kind of 1888 01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,920 like play that role and let's get it and let's put it on film 1889 01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,520 and let's make a big deal out of it. 1890 01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,520 Like look at these pro-life women heroes. 1891 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:32,880 Well, here kind of resetting her brain from that previous sort of 1892 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,240 milieu or whatever you call it environment. 1893 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,920 She's like, listen, when we go out, like you guys are like, 1894 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,880 we're like doing this. We're surrounded by all these 1895 01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,400 like some people that seem like literal demons. 1896 01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,760 They're like yelling and spitting and throwing things. 1897 01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:52,720 And like, you may be comfortable and I am like, I'm not bragging, 1898 01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:57,280 but I am I, I, you know, I'm pretty like, it doesn't matter 1899 01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,480 that much that, you know, there's people all over the 1900 01:39:59,480 --> 01:40:01,640 place. It's my wife watches it and 1901 01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:06,600 she's just like, honey, like, why were you that guy said, say 1902 01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,800 Jesus one more and say Jesus's name one more time and you're 1903 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,360 going to meet your maker. And he's got brass knuckles. 1904 01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,360 And of course I'm not like a big buff guy. 1905 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:19,240 And I'm just like, well, Jesus love, you know, Jesus loves you 1906 01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,320 and he's like messing with brass knuckles. 1907 01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,240 And I'm like, I just don't like. I just, whatever reason I don't 1908 01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:29,640 have that fear component because I think that a lot of these guys 1909 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,640 are cowards. I don't want to provoke them to 1910 01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,280 be jerks, you know, but that being. 1911 01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:37,720 Said you also have now how many years and years of experience of 1912 01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,120 them generally not getting physical with you. 1913 01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:41,080 Like, yeah, that's generally going to be the exception. 1914 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:46,320 And you know that and you get kind of comfortable with it and 1915 01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,200 that if you have to take a punch or something like that, it's not 1916 01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,480 going to the end of the world. It's, it's something your 1917 01:40:53,480 --> 01:40:57,000 brother did to you because you, you cheered for the wrong team, 1918 01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,920 you know? But a man taking, you know, 1919 01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,280 throwing a punch at a woman is a different animal all together. 1920 01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:04,120 Like that equals orbital. Like I've done that call, you 1921 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,600 know, that equals orbital fractures and you know. 1922 01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:09,600 It's yeah, yeah. You don't want to see that. 1923 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,640 And so when you put these women on the front lines. 1924 01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:16,040 And so again, they're bringing up the Kristen Hawkins. 1925 01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:18,800 Seems like seems like a nice lady. 1926 01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:23,480 Nice lady, but she's like defending herself and someone 1927 01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:25,960 was attacking her. Like why aren't you at home with 1928 01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:28,840 your children? And she's like my husband's at 1929 01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,480 home with the children. Doing a good job, you know, 1930 01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,080 raising. Them and I'm just like, I'm 1931 01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:34,960 like, what are you? What are you freaking doing? 1932 01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:39,000 You're trying to out feminist, the feminist and it's it's a 1933 01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,600 losing battle and it's not right anyway. 1934 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,160 Can we just, can we dig into this for one second? 1935 01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,040 Just I just. Yeah, like it is a it is 1936 01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,360 definitely a massive problem that OK, Yeah, the pro-life and 1937 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,560 the abolition movement are fighting right now. 1938 01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,200 Like there is conflict and some of it ends up being like, you 1939 01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,760 guys are being too mean and too male like, and they don't know. 1940 01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:05,840 It's like, I want to debate like I want to debate Kristen Hawkins 1941 01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,000 about the ideology of abolitionism and its 1942 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,960 application. Can I, can I moderate that? 1943 01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,760 I would have very much enjoyed. I mean, we'll have to get a 1944 01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,240 female moderator too, so that it's like. 1945 01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,560 You know, balance the field, Yeah. 1946 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:20,920 Something yeah, because I'm I can be fair, but I already lean. 1947 01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:24,240 It wouldn't look fair. It's like a a male moderator. 1948 01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,360 But yeah, yeah. So well let you and your wife, I 1949 01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:28,400 would very do it in your kitchen. 1950 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,200 No, my wife is more aggressive. She's like a freaking Attila the 1951 01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,200 hunt man. I accidentally converted my wife 1952 01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,680 to being like really aggressive. And when I say I did, she just 1953 01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,280 did it to herself because she's a reasonable rational creature. 1954 01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:43,160 We had this conversation a long time ago. 1955 01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,600 She was a leftist. She was pro abortion. 1956 01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:48,320 She and I was ambivalent. Honestly. 1957 01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:49,960 I just wasn't strong one way or another. 1958 01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,560 Just it didn't enter into my lexicon. 1959 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,360 I had other problems in my world that I was worried about, you 1960 01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:59,520 know, and so we had this weird conversation about taxes and I 1961 01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:00,920 said, I just, I don't like big government. 1962 01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,480 I don't like paying big taxes. Your mom makes a bunch of money. 1963 01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,800 She pays like $0.50 out of every dollar into taxes and she goes, 1964 01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,200 you're kidding me. I go, no, no, no. 1965 01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,000 We have a progressive tax structure in this country. 1966 01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,160 The more you make, the higher percentage on that money you 1967 01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:14,400 make. So at this point in time, your 1968 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,200 mom's paying a ton of money into into taxes. 1969 01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,200 You feel good about that? And she goes, well, we should 1970 01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,480 all just pay the same percentage into taxes. 1971 01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,520 I said that's called a flat tax. You're the most right wing 1972 01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,760 person in this room now. How do you feel about that? 1973 01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,320 I know that's how people naturally think. 1974 01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:28,720 Yeah. So once you once you start 1975 01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:30,120 realizing. Like oh wait a minute, people 1976 01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:31,520 will have to pay more on the more. 1977 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,840 Money And so she started doing that and literally a couple of 1978 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,120 months later, she's like everybody in Mexico just wants 1979 01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:37,600 to be in the United States. I'm like, I don't know about 1980 01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:39,760 everybody, but some people do. She goes, why don't we just 1981 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,480 conquer them all the way down to the Panama Canal? 1982 01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:43,000 Just start a like a firm land barrier. 1983 01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,880 I'm like, I'm like, we could do it. 1984 01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,920 You were really conservative. Yeah, that move really hard. 1985 01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,280 Really fast, like that was a quick move. 1986 01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,400 That was a fast brush fire. But all that is to say. 1987 01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:56,840 Like she couldn't moderate it. There is a there's this instinct 1988 01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:00,440 to be nice, right? To play nice, to be nice if we 1989 01:44:00,440 --> 01:44:03,520 want people to play with us. And I keep hearing that it's 1990 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,640 really important that we have female voices. 1991 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,400 Someone keeps telling us that that's the case. 1992 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,800 Just lost your camera dipping down aggressively. 1993 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,520 Sorry. There it is, messing with it. 1994 01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,760 I see that. Well, sorry. 1995 01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:16,960 By our other techs so so we. Got a we? 1996 01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,240 We got a tech in. Another room says, hey, this is 1997 01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:20,200 a shot. Maybe it's my? 1998 01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:21,560 Posture. No, I like it. 1999 01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:22,760 I think it's good. We're good. 2000 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,200 So consider this one though. There's a lot. 2001 01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,040 Of voices in the quote UN quote conservative. 2002 01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,920 Sphere I just, I, I covered Julie Kelly earlier this week. 2003 01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:34,200 I actually, I colored covered Megyn Kelly and she said we need 2004 01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,560 to make room for women with jobs and this kind of thing. 2005 01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:39,120 I also feel like that is a divide that is happening right 2006 01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:40,880 now. You want men to marry women? 2007 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,920 That women also want to stand on their own 2 feet and do their 2008 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,920 thing? Do you guys, you know, we're 2009 01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,600 dependent on each other, are we not? 2010 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:48,920 I mean, isn't it if you don't have mutual? 2011 01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,360 Dependence your relationship doesn't actually like Why do 2012 01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:54,120 you? I like the I mean, behind every 2013 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,920 good man, there's a great woman. Like it's the intended way. 2014 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,640 Like a man who's going to battle needs a help, mate. 2015 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,000 Like it literally like it's the oldest thing in the world. 2016 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:09,560 Like, like Adam's got this job and he's supposed to like name 2017 01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:14,160 these animals and tend this garden and he's got a helpmate. 2018 01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:18,080 Like, like he's got a woman that he's to love and have 2019 01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:22,840 relationship with and she's providing a, a role to him and 2020 01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:27,080 it's because he needs her. Like it's not, I mean, there, 2021 01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:32,680 there's a sense where my wife is in a lot of ways stronger than I 2022 01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,120 am. Like clearly, like she's 2023 01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:41,160 stronger than I am, maybe even like sort of stronger. 2024 01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,080 And, and I'll, and I'll make it clear here in a second, but like 2025 01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,800 less lazy, less prone to sort of like laying in bed. 2026 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:53,960 Like she's like going to get up and get the kids ready in a way 2027 01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,920 that I'm going to meander towards. 2028 01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:59,040 And so like this, this kind of weird like thing that she's 2029 01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:03,200 built for and she does well. And also whenever I may sort of 2030 01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:09,040 want to, I don't know, sort of like not flounder, but like, I 2031 01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:10,760 may want to slack off or something. 2032 01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:15,960 Like I may want to take it easy, but she knows what I do, what I 2033 01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:17,680 stand for, and what I'm all about. 2034 01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,200 Like she's like, you're all about, you know, shifting this 2035 01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,840 paradigm and leading people to do these things and like stop 2036 01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:27,040 being lazy. And she's like, she like helps 2037 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,200 me. And whenever I'm like weary and 2038 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:34,200 worn out and I come home and I come home to a house that, you 2039 01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:37,000 know, she's keeping in order and kids that she's, you know, 2040 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,840 educating and keeping fed and like all that, you know, like I 2041 01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:42,080 can come home to this house that's prepared. 2042 01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:47,160 Like she may have in that day worked as hard or harder than me 2043 01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,240 on the task of the day and I come home. 2044 01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:53,200 To it and it. Allows me to like be refreshed, 2045 01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:57,200 recharged because I may be going back out into the battle, if you 2046 01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:03,080 will, the next morning. And you know, my, you know, at 2047 01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,520 times be tempted not to. And she's like, no, I've got 2048 01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:11,480 this, I got this going on. I do this so you can do that and 2049 01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,320 it's beautiful and it works and it works well. 2050 01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,280 And I, and I look at other people's, I'm not going to be 2051 01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,920 critical of anyone by name or anything, but I like sometimes 2052 01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:23,360 look at people's marriages and I look at what's going on in, in 2053 01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,960 their houses and stuff. And you know, some guy is like 2054 01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,720 going out and he's doing all this activism and there's 2055 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,200 friction and like she doesn't want him to. 2056 01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,600 And like, you know, it just seems, it seems out of order. 2057 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,000 And it's like, well, because your wife's like working, you 2058 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,360 know, and, and you know, like, she's like looking at you like, 2059 01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,720 like work like me and do like, and it's, it's, it's just, it's 2060 01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:49,440 just all out of, out of whack. And the abolitionist movement 2061 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,800 ends up being whenever I, you know, tie back to what we were 2062 01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:58,160 saying, there are tons of women in our movement who are like, 2063 01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:03,920 almost like finding peace in the fact that they are serving this, 2064 01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,840 they're part of this movement. They're not voiceless. 2065 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,160 They're not, you know, not allowed to, like, be in the 2066 01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:13,120 chats or in the discussions, hold the signs, wear the shirts, 2067 01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,880 drop the cards. But they're not expected to be 2068 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,840 on the front lines. Well, they're not expected to be 2069 01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:19,960 men. Yeah. 2070 01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,200 And they're not expected to be getting the death threats. 2071 01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:23,480 They're not expected. To. 2072 01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,160 To be like, like, as I was talking about Rachel, like she's 2073 01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,840 like, hey, when we go out, you may not think about your head 2074 01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:35,040 being on a swivel like, but we, we need a guy that's like that's 2075 01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:39,200 doing security because it's hard to engage and talk to people 2076 01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,200 because there's like women out there that want to come up and 2077 01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:43,280 talk and they might see me and they don't want to talk to me 2078 01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,320 and they'll go talk to a female abolitionist that and that's 2079 01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:47,200 fine. That's good. 2080 01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:51,080 But like, it's very hard for them to do that work when 2081 01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:56,080 they're also thinking someone could throw like, you know, a 2082 01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:59,120 bottle at my head right now or, you know, like, I'm, I'm worried 2083 01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:00,880 about that. And so I'm not worried about 2084 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:01,880 that. And she knows that I'm not 2085 01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,120 worried about that. So she says, listen, can we have 2086 01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:08,680 somebody before we go out into these crazier situations that is 2087 01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,440 work and security. That's that's looking at these 2088 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:13,760 things and she's thinking about it properly. 2089 01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:19,080 Like my wife, she doesn't, she does not go out and do activism. 2090 01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:23,800 Like she doesn't feel like she has to or that if she doesn't go 2091 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:25,760 out and do activism, she's not an abolitionist. 2092 01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:27,520 Like she doesn't look at it that way. 2093 01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,360 She's like failing to be an abolitionist. 2094 01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,000 Like she, she's being an abolitionist because she's 2095 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,320 making it to where her husband can do these things. 2096 01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:38,480 You know, we, we take our kids, they can only do it a certain 2097 01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:41,000 amount of time. And you know, she allows me to 2098 01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,080 do it a little bit and then, you know, they go off with mom. 2099 01:49:44,440 --> 01:49:46,640 You know, we, we were doing the medieval fair the other day. 2100 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,640 My kids wanted to hand out Flyers to, you know, people 2101 01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,120 cosplaying and fighting fake Dragons, you know? 2102 01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:56,360 Yeah. I was like, I was like, hey, 2103 01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:57,840 there are real Dragons to fight you. 2104 01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,680 Know I want to fight the you're. You are. 2105 01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:04,800 You were built to fight Dragons. Your fantasy world is real, but 2106 01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,800 you are actually in service to the evil dragon of abortion, you 2107 01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,400 know, who are trying to slay. My kids wanted to go out and 2108 01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:14,440 hand things out and hold signs and talk to people, but they, 2109 01:50:14,440 --> 01:50:17,000 you know, they Peter out after about an hour of that and they 2110 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,960 go off and mom makes sure that they're, you know, you know, 2111 01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,560 getting funnel cakes or whatever and and buying little kitschy 2112 01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:26,240 things. And so but anyway, it just all 2113 01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:31,880 works together so beautifully and in in the abolitionist 2114 01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:33,040 movement. And I know that you have 2115 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:38,280 probably lots of just pro-life viewers and stuff that they're 2116 01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,240 kind of like, man, this guy's like dogging us, dogging us, 2117 01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:45,080 dogging us, a lot of these issues, a lot of this. 2118 01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,760 The rhetorical stuff about. Calling it murder or not murder, 2119 01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:50,240 that's that was decided by women. 2120 01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,480 You can tell they wanted to be compassionate. 2121 01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:54,680 They didn't want to be telling the truth. 2122 01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,360 Why didn't they tell the truth? Because telling the truth was 2123 01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,320 harsh and it might get us in trouble. 2124 01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,440 It might get us in, it might take it to another level. 2125 01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:07,080 Like these decisions are being made by women who are making 2126 01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:11,520 decisions that have an effect on the wider pro-life movement. 2127 01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:16,080 And it's it's it's leading to the whole like the whole thing 2128 01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:19,240 stinks. Last thing I'll say, I know I'm 2129 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,520 talking to You're good. But. 2130 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,640 One of the things that I loved. Remember all the way back to 2131 01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,360 like 20? 16 It may have been the end of 2132 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:34,040 2015. 2016, Donald Trump was on, I can't remember the name of the 2133 01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:38,120 guy, but it was like ACNN or MSNBC sort of town hall type 2134 01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,840 question next, you know, like a Wolf Blitzer or someone like 2135 01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:42,360 that. It wasn't him or someone like 2136 01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:47,640 that doing AQ and a with Donald Trump. 2137 01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:52,160 And he asked Trump, who, you know, is like the abortion 2138 01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,440 thing's probably kind of on his radar, but not really. 2139 01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:59,600 Like he's, he's been a pro choicer for most of his life and 2140 01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,800 it's not really a thing. But he was running as a 2141 01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,560 Republican because he agreed with the Republican Party on a 2142 01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,400 whole bunch of other areas. And he wanted to like fight the 2143 01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:12,280 lunacy on the left, right. And so back in 2016, before he's 2144 01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:17,240 like totally been sort of like fully initiated into the 2145 01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:23,160 Republican Conservative Party, the anchor asked him about 2146 01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:25,760 abortion. And he he knows he has to give 2147 01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,920 the anti abort. Like, yeah, I'm, I'm pro-life. 2148 01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:29,720 You know, he knows he has to say that politically. 2149 01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,200 He has to say that he's running for the Republican primary. 2150 01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:34,040 So he says, you know, he's pro-life. 2151 01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:36,920 And then the guy says, well, do you think there should be 2152 01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,600 punishment? And Donald Trump, he's like, 2153 01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,080 well, yeah, there's got to be punishment. 2154 01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,680 You can't say this is wrong. He's like, he's like, of course 2155 01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:48,280 there's like, abortion's bad. I'm against abortion. 2156 01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,800 Now you're asking me. He's doing stage logic. 2157 01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:53,960 He's working the problem on the stage like and. 2158 01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,080 He doesn't know that the pro-life movement doesn't think. 2159 01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:59,920 There should be punishment. He doesn't know. 2160 01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:01,480 He doesn't have their talking point yet. 2161 01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:05,040 And so Donald Trump, big manly man, Donald Trump, he's just 2162 01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:08,960 being smart and would just like, he's just being logical and he's 2163 01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,200 just like, yeah, there should be punishment for that. 2164 01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,160 It doesn't say much more than that, but that's the 2165 01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:18,640 abolitionist answer. Well, I've never seen him flip 2166 01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,080 more quickly on anything and like within like, I don't know, 2167 01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:26,800 three hours or something, a official statement comes out 2168 01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:30,160 from the Trump campaign with a little Trump logo saying, no, we 2169 01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:31,440 don't think that there should be punishment. 2170 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:36,400 And it's like written by some female leader of the pro-life 2171 01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,720 establishment. And it's no, you know, because 2172 01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:43,880 he's being told by Susan B Anthony List or March for Life 2173 01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:45,520 of America, national right to life. 2174 01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:50,040 This is not our position. And he's just like, Oh well, 2175 01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,680 crap, I just said that the position that makes sense. 2176 01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:57,000 Like he's probably thinking deep inside like, what are the pro 2177 01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:00,880 lifers all about if they're not about, you know, because when he 2178 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:04,240 was a pro choicer, he probably thought these lunatics want to 2179 01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:06,000 punish people for having abortions. 2180 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:11,400 So, so, so he's just all sorts because because the pro lifers, 2181 01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:14,920 like all the normal pro lifers think abortions, murder. 2182 01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,600 Therefore, if you do it, you're doing something bad and it's 2183 01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:19,360 you. It's never, you know, it doesn't 2184 01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,200 make any sense. You're not allowed to do this. 2185 01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,720 But if you do it, you won't be punished like that doesn't make 2186 01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:27,040 any sense. But Trump backpedal changed on 2187 01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:29,680 that. And and if you go back and you 2188 01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:34,480 look at the timeline of events, it's because these pro lifers 2189 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,640 like you can see it on all their tweets, Facebook post. 2190 01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,680 This is not the position of the we like Trump, but this is not 2191 01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:44,280 the position of the pro-life. Actually, they didn't really 2192 01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:46,440 like him. I think like Huckabee or someone 2193 01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:50,920 else was, was there their guy? And so they were kind of like 2194 01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:55,040 correcting Trump, saying what Trump said is not what pro-life 2195 01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:58,680 like they didn't want to be seen by the American public as 2196 01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:02,040 supporting criminalization and punishment. 2197 01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,320 That was Trump. I mean, I know everyone thinks 2198 01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,360 he's real manly. And I hate to be the one to say, 2199 01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,160 but on some things he's not very manly. 2200 01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:12,200 My regular position is that he's a Democrat from the 90s, which 2201 01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:13,360 I'm not mad at him for being that. 2202 01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,440 Because that was pretty reasonable compared to where we 2203 01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:17,160 are. Yeah. 2204 01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:18,760 Yeah. Like Bill, like he's would be 2205 01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,920 right wing today. Bill Clinton 1992 is a right 2206 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:25,920 winger extremist. Yeah, compared to whatever we 2207 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:27,760 just had in our last move. Yeah, compared to our. 2208 01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,760 Country has. Declined incredibly to where? 2209 01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:33,960 A 90s Democrat. Is considered, you know, some 2210 01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:38,760 kind of a, you know, fascist, fascist conservative right 2211 01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:40,040 winger. But anyway, it's. 2212 01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:41,040 It is. It's. 2213 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,720 Odd because Donald Trump needs the pro-life vote. 2214 01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:48,600 So you get Donald Trump sounding like a feminist because he's 2215 01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,720 being told to get this vote. You have to do this. 2216 01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:53,720 But that is all switching like what? 2217 01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:57,120 These guys don't know some of them you're you're seeing some 2218 01:55:57,120 --> 01:56:00,480 of them figuring it out, you're seeing women also support this, 2219 01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:01,840 by the way. It's pretty clear. 2220 01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:04,720 To me and I and my audience has been very vocal about it. 2221 01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:08,120 They're like, we like men acting like men. 2222 01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:10,680 I can't do my wife's jobs. I bet you couldn't do your 2223 01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:12,240 wife's job. I bet you couldn't step in 2224 01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:13,960 there. My I used to always tell people 2225 01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,760 my buddy said this. He said I'm the I'm a great dad, 2226 01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:20,120 but I'm a terrible mom. And my goal is like when it's 2227 01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:24,200 just me with the kids and we're doing dad stuff like if I get 4 2228 01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:28,160 kids, I'm supposed to return 4 kids, you know, from the outing 2229 01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:32,560 in in mostly the same shape. Yeah, you know, and some bumps 2230 01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:33,200 and scrapes. Yeah. 2231 01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:34,320 But we're like, we're we're into that. 2232 01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:35,760 Like we're going to play hard, we're going to play rough. 2233 01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:36,960 You're going to get. Scratched on a tree? 2234 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:38,080 I'm going. To tell you it's no big deal, 2235 01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,480 like you're going to fall in the pond, I'm going to pull you out, 2236 01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:42,120 we're going to have to change clothes, we're going to wet 2237 01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:43,520 shoot, whatever. Like that's going to happen. 2238 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,280 These are all real examples, obviously, because that's just 2239 01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,640 what happens. Dad does dad stuff, Mom does mom 2240 01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:49,880 stuff. I couldn't do her job. 2241 01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:52,560 You couldn't do your wife's job. So we respect and we appreciate 2242 01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,800 that we're not equal, but we're of equal value. 2243 01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,040 Let's say like that's fine. And and so anyway, like that 2244 01:56:58,040 --> 01:56:59,800 actually is catching on where people are going like, oh, yeah, 2245 01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:02,040 yeah, that's true. You know how I know it? 2246 01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:06,360 Put a man and woman's sports. That's the inevitable conclusion 2247 01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:07,680 of you need to want. You want to compete. 2248 01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,320 With men, that's what it. Looks like do you if you don't 2249 01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:14,080 have a a leg up, if you're not giving a handicap to men in the 2250 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,040 workplace or other places, if we're going to just do fair 2251 01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:18,040 footing. I told people that there's no 2252 01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:19,560 reason for a woman to be an FBI agent. 2253 01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:21,360 It's a really controversial thing to say to people in law 2254 01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,000 enforcement. I'm not trying to be mean. 2255 01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:27,280 I'm just saying if you value fighting, shooting tacticians, 2256 01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:31,640 logistics like that, then then you gave that job to a woman 2257 01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,480 over a man who could fight was more fit and was held to a 2258 01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:35,920 higher standard. You didn't give it to him. 2259 01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,640 And look, there's it's not to say that there's not a room for 2260 01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,160 female investigators. I actually think there is. 2261 01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:43,280 You just probably aren't going to be a gun carrying, you know, 2262 01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,600 fighter on the street if that's what you think the the job is. 2263 01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:47,720 And if it's not, then make it not part of the job description. 2264 01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:51,240 Yeah, it's like, I, I mean, I, I'm not, I'm not watching tons 2265 01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:53,160 of television right now. So I, I don't want to date 2266 01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:55,440 myself and naming the kind of shows that I'm talking about. 2267 01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:59,320 But like, like when you watch these TV shows where like this 2268 01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:05,480 like very attractive, thin, petite female agent is like 2269 01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:09,160 kicking some guy in her high heels and they're they're going 2270 01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:12,120 through a wall, you know, like this is total fantasy. 2271 01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:13,800 It actually leads to real danger. 2272 01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:17,480 I mean, it's it's. It's insane. 2273 01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:19,400 I mean, I kind. Of we've seen it in some 2274 01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,560 instances where you're kind of like, that should not have been 2275 01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:24,520 a woman right there. But yeah, yeah, you know, 2276 01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,400 whether you're talking about in law enforcement type stuff or 2277 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:31,080 like firefighters and that sort of thing, it's kind of like, how 2278 01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,400 about St., How about St. challenges where you're doing a 2279 01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,240 TikTok video? And you're talking to people and 2280 01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:37,200 you're provoking them. I mean, even that makes me 2281 01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:39,280 worried for that woman. I'm like, yeah, yeah. 2282 01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,120 There's psychological, like there's clear physical things 2283 01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:44,320 that I think everyone. Is coming to their senses about, 2284 01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,120 you know, like, you know, I watch enough sports commentators 2285 01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,200 to kind of appreciate that that some of the insanity is 2286 01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:53,160 backpedaling. You know, you're getting 2287 01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:56,000 mainstream people, you know, whether or not it's good for 2288 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,560 sound bites and conservative stuff, you can see mainstream 2289 01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:02,600 people kind of acknowledging like, yeah, no, that guy with a 2290 01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:06,680 penis should not be swimming against those ladies. 2291 01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:10,080 You know, you're getting some of that in mainstream even from at 2292 01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,280 least at least South Park did it right where they had Randy 2293 01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:13,960 Savage. The Randy Savage character is 2294 01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:15,720 like. I'm the strongest woman. 2295 01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:18,160 So good. I mean it's. 2296 01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,080 Just it's, I think it's just doing well. 2297 01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,720 And I think we're winning that debate a lot. 2298 01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:27,920 But the, to put it back to where we're at, like we will run 2299 01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:33,400 probably one in every 30 or 40 shorts on our channel will 2300 01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:36,680 feature a female abolitionist and people always appreciate it. 2301 01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:39,640 Oh, it's good to see that woman, you know, telling it straight 2302 01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:42,920 and all that kind of stuff. And, and we have some great 2303 01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:45,720 ladies that do a good job and like, like when my wife does 2304 01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,920 activism, when she does go out, she is pretty harsh. 2305 01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,960 Like she's pretty like I'll dance around with a person for a 2306 01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:53,240 while and let them hang themselves. 2307 01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:54,960 My wife will just be like, shut up, you Sinner. 2308 01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,640 You know, like, like you're lying. 2309 01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:59,040 Stop you're lying. Stop being evil. 2310 01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:00,960 Like you're, you're a child abuser. 2311 02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:02,560 And I'm. But she's also she's she's 2312 02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:05,520 emboldened by you. Yeah, because she's, she's 2313 02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:06,760 doing. And she knows that she's got the 2314 02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:08,720 back up there, which is strong. She got the place. 2315 02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:10,960 But the but the. Other ladies that are going out 2316 02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:14,760 with us. I hear them saying things that 2317 02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:19,640 they would not have been trained to say and they're using phrases 2318 02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:23,560 and terminology that is coming from this sort of abolitionist 2319 02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:28,880 playbook that they would not have said had they been reading 2320 02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,840 the playbook from SFLA or something like that. 2321 02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:36,840 Because they say don't like, you know, just listen to like the 2322 02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:39,440 other day, like I'm a, I'm AI know I probably don't look it or 2323 02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:43,480 sound like it, but I'm a Sunday school teacher for, for adults. 2324 02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:47,600 And, and our class like did a service project where we were, 2325 02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:51,040 there was a local crisis pregnancy center and there's 2326 02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,760 just couples that had gone through this program and it was 2327 02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:56,840 like a free meal and we were catering a meal and all this 2328 02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:59,040 kind of stuff. And I'm sitting there and these 2329 02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,280 crisis pregnancy center workers, they don't know who I am and 2330 02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:04,560 what I do. And they're just, they're just 2331 02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,080 telling me about like how they're helping abortion 2332 02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:11,080 vulnerable women and, you know, providing them diapers and cheap 2333 02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:13,320 onesies and all this kind of stuff. 2334 02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,400 And it's it's got a place and I'm really glad they're doing 2335 02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:17,760 it. You know, it's like, I'm not who 2336 02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:19,160 pooping what they're doing at all. 2337 02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:23,560 And just, but when they're talking about abortion in that 2338 02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:28,880 context, it's not murder and justice and evil laws. 2339 02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,800 And like it's none of that. It's, it's this, it's this 2340 02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:34,480 compassionate, like these are people who've chosen not to 2341 02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:37,800 abort their kids and they're in these messed up situations and 2342 02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,320 they need help. And, and so women are leading 2343 02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:42,280 that and doing that. And it makes total sense. 2344 02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:47,600 The problem is, is when you take that ministry, that assistance 2345 02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:53,960 oriented approach and you have the assistance oriented folks 2346 02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:58,520 telling the agitation oriented folks how they can and cannot 2347 02:01:59,080 --> 02:02:04,240 agitate and the culture needs agitators who call abortion what 2348 02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:07,160 it is, murder and say that our laws need to treat it as murder. 2349 02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:11,360 Well, we've pumped millions of dollars into the crisis 2350 02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:13,640 pregnancy thing. They're the ones who come to the 2351 02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:16,440 churches and ask for the money and they're the ones that, you 2352 02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:19,400 know, control like all the tables and all the booths at the 2353 02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:20,960 March for Life and all this kind of stuff. 2354 02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:24,000 So you have all these women that are doing this assistance 2355 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:29,880 focused thing, basically saying, hey, what doesn't work for us in 2356 02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:34,920 the crisis pregnancy center, calling it murder, you should 2357 02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:36,760 apply when you're out on the streets. 2358 02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:40,440 And it's like, no, you've, you've, you've you've taken this 2359 02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:46,120 sort of feminine focus area and you've kind of bled it over into 2360 02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:49,760 this combat in the culture of death area. 2361 02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:55,000 And, and the pro-life movement has decided that they're going 2362 02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:59,840 to have sort of like a, sort of like a separation of assistance 2363 02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:02,040 and agitation. The abolitionist movement says, 2364 02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:05,520 no, we do the assistance and the agitation together. 2365 02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:09,120 People have to participate in both and you don't have them 2366 02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:12,600 warring against each other like there is a time for mercy and 2367 02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:16,360 there's a time for justice. It's justice and mercy. pro-life 2368 02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:19,120 movement. It's like mercy, mercy, mercy, 2369 02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:22,160 mercy to the point where you look at their banners and the 2370 02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:24,360 reason they're trying to fight abortion is because they're 2371 02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:27,520 trying to protect women. So it'll actually say we're 2372 02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,080 trying to protect women and babies. 2373 02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:34,920 And you're like, really? Well, go spend some time on the 2374 02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:38,480 pro-choice websites or in the pro-choice groups on Facebook or 2375 02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:42,320 Twitter and tell me, tell me what those women are interested 2376 02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,400 in. They're shouting their abortions 2377 02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,280 and they're talking about their 9th, 10th, 11th abortion. 2378 02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:51,360 And they're like purposely going to conceive a child so they can 2379 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,520 go pop a pill on the steps of the Supreme Court. 2380 02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:58,440 And you're trying to protect women from abortion. 2381 02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:01,520 How about protect these babies from these murderous women? 2382 02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:05,080 And like when you suggest that, it's kind of like freaking 2383 02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:07,040 freaking. And you probably just had a 2384 02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:08,160 couple of people cringe. Listen to it. 2385 02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:08,720 And that's good. I. 2386 02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:11,200 Mean as as you said, that's the agitation end of it. 2387 02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:13,840 It challenges people. Your subscribers are are going 2388 02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,400 down Nah, they're not. You know the stuff I. 2389 02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:19,960 Say is this is I think this. Is the standard fare, is the way 2390 02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:22,600 that we, you know, we communicate by being combative. 2391 02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:25,120 And if and if you want to challenge things that you have a 2392 02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:27,080 problem with, you better say it pretty plainly and bluntly. 2393 02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:29,640 And people respect not being toyed with, right? 2394 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:31,520 Yeah. Don't practice cunning is what I 2395 02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:33,320 like. Everyone practices cunning. 2396 02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:36,240 They try to be. PC, it's not just the left that 2397 02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:38,960 does it. On the right, we do it, you 2398 02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,280 know, like, hey, you know, I think this, but instead of 2399 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,720 saying what I really think, I'm going to try to like, you know, 2400 02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:48,800 be nicer than Jesus. And it's like they're Vipers. 2401 02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:51,440 They're a brood of Vipers and their tables need to be turned 2402 02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:52,280 over. Just do it. 2403 02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:54,200 I've got a great place. I'll send it to you. 2404 02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:57,000 I've got a great meme and it's it's got Jesus at the the last, 2405 02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:58,600 the table, the last. Supper and he said some of you 2406 02:04:58,600 --> 02:05:00,720 who are sitting at table should have been flipping are are 2407 02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:02,760 sitting at tables that you should have been flipping or 2408 02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:05,920 something like that and I kind of like I I like that I like 2409 02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:09,080 that and also I hear it the same way that I hear killing in the 2410 02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:10,480 name of from Rage Against the machine. 2411 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,120 So that's the tune. It's like some of you who are at 2412 02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:15,880 tables, you're sitting tables should have been flipping you. 2413 02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,120 Like I feel like there's there's a certain amount of rage that 2414 02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,200 goes along with this because I think there is a frustration. 2415 02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:22,760 It's like, what are you doing? I've also got a really great 2416 02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:25,000 little logo that one day and I send it to people whenever they 2417 02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:26,400 send me things, when I say something and they say, hey, 2418 02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:29,040 you're being too harsh. And it's a it's Saint Michael 2419 02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:30,720 the Archangel. He's got a sword and he's 2420 02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:32,880 stepping on Satan's head, you know, and he's and he's getting 2421 02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:35,440 ready to spear him. And it says do not make peace 2422 02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:37,160 with that which you should destroy. 2423 02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:40,080 Yeah. Which is an abolitionist type 2424 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,080 thing. I could tell you guys could. 2425 02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:42,840 Get behind that. You're in. 2426 02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:45,280 An abortion clinic and you're out there like they're people. 2427 02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:47,680 Like I don't do the abortion clinics a lot, you know, like I, 2428 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,840 I figure the whole culture is the abortion clinic and the, the 2429 02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:54,080 actual child sacrifice center is where you go after you've made 2430 02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:55,400 this. So I'm like trying to get people 2431 02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:58,000 before they go there. But I've, you know, I hear 2432 02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,320 people that go out to these clinics and there's one time 2433 02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:04,640 that I was out there and these, these pro lifers who didn't like 2434 02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:09,360 the way we were doing it came and brought the abortion staff 2435 02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:12,960 people, the death courts with their, their, their gay 2436 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,520 umbrellas. You know, they had the rainbow 2437 02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:19,920 umbrellas, brought the death courts, water and cupcakes so 2438 02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:24,120 they would know that we weren't the true representatives of, of 2439 02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:26,880 the church. You know, so it's like what 2440 02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:31,440 you're, you're bringing like literal demon possessed people 2441 02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:36,720 cupcakes so that they won't think that Christians think 2442 02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:38,920 abortion's murder and are willing to call it murder. 2443 02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:42,800 And you just you, it's just, it's all feminized. 2444 02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:44,880 It is feminized. All right, let's let's rap with 2445 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,600 some fun if you don't mind. Like sometimes I like to go out 2446 02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:49,640 on a light hearted. Let's talk about maybe top 2447 02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:53,680 couple stories you have of physical danger things where it 2448 02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:56,000 got like pretty heated and maybe something that happened in the 2449 02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:59,000 in the physical realm. And we can turn people to your 2450 02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:00,480 channel to go kind of find where those are. 2451 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,880 And then maybe maybe some funny stories, if you got one or two, 2452 02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,480 like top funniest, like funniest encounters where you just you 2453 02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,520 can't help but laugh about it afterwards because somebody just 2454 02:07:08,520 --> 02:07:10,120 did something. So I'd love to hear a couple of 2455 02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:12,840 encounters when you deal with the public, it gets real weird 2456 02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:14,360 real fast. And usually that's pretty fun. 2457 02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:16,160 Yeah. So there, there. 2458 02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:18,760 There's tons of stuff like this. I'll try to. 2459 02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:21,800 Think of a few good ones that are kind of maybe recent so 2460 02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:25,040 stuff that people if they went to our channel, which our main 2461 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,680 our main impact is, is the abolitionist rising YouTube 2462 02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:30,280 channel. But we're on TikTok and 2463 02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:33,400 Instagram and Facebook and we're trying to figure out Twitter, 2464 02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:36,520 but you know, we we got we got, you know, reach issues on 2465 02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:38,760 Twitter, I think, but we'll work on it a little bit yeah, and 2466 02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,000 we'll get some boost yeah, help us out on Twitter. 2467 02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:43,720 But the. The shorts that. 2468 02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:49,040 We have that that are kind of funny and they do well for the 2469 02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:50,400 reason I said earlier on the program. 2470 02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:56,000 But because our culture is so polarized on this and because 2471 02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:00,800 all of the pro aborts get in their little echo chambers and 2472 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,520 they, you know, say, oh, they're like, tell each other in like a 2473 02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:07,480 Reddit board. They'll be like, if you're ever 2474 02:08:07,480 --> 02:08:09,760 running into one of these people that are fighting abortion in 2475 02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:13,680 public, pull up a picture of a dolphin fetus, which looks very 2476 02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,480 similar to a human fetus. You know, because mammals in a 2477 02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,960 fetal stage of development, there's a similarity. 2478 02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:22,240 Like how how else could mammals look, you know, in this early 2479 02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:25,280 sort of emerging from the embryonic to fetal stage where 2480 02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,160 you're putting on masks, you know, there's a, it's hard to 2481 02:08:28,160 --> 02:08:30,840 tell the difference between a dolphin, a pig and a human, 2482 02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:33,320 right? You know, or a monkey fetus or 2483 02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:36,320 something like that. So that all they'll get into 2484 02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:39,920 Reddit and they'll be like, show them a dolphin fetus and ask 2485 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:43,480 them if they're going to defend that, you know, life or 2486 02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:45,480 whatever. And then they'll they'll 2487 02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:48,840 identify it and then you'll be like, haha, that's a dolphin or 2488 02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:52,440 that's a pig and you'll like, you'll get them right. 2489 02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:55,840 So, so, so I always, I just waiting. 2490 02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:57,480 I'm like, OK, I know they want to do this. 2491 02:08:57,480 --> 02:08:58,920 I'm just waiting for it, you know? 2492 02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:02,240 And just relatively recent, we're at Oklahoma State 2493 02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:05,360 University and had a like a little group there. 2494 02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:11,080 And I'd said something about human fetuses and she was 2495 02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:14,000 saying, well, they're just, they look like fish or they're clumps 2496 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:15,920 of sails or whatever. And I was like, well, I'm sorry, 2497 02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,640 I don't judge people for the way they look, you know, because 2498 02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:21,360 this is the left and they're, they're supposed to be the ones 2499 02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:23,280 that don't judge people by the way they look. 2500 02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:24,840 That's us. We judge people by the way. 2501 02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:26,480 So I was flipping that back on them. 2502 02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:28,680 I was like, oh, we don't, you know, judge people by the way 2503 02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:32,760 they look or whatever. And then I knew that someone in 2504 02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:37,160 that crowd is going to hear that and they're going to be in that 2505 02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:40,840 Reddit board or that they'll see in that meme show them a dolphin 2506 02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:44,200 fetus. And so I stop and I turn because 2507 02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:47,280 you know that there's video guys and editing and I've got a 2508 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:49,360 camera and I'm so I'm like just kind of go off to the side and 2509 02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:52,480 I'm like, OK, somebody's going to show me a, a dolphin fetus 2510 02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:54,280 and try to trick me. You know, it's pretty good. 2511 02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:59,200 Within a few minutes, a guy comes up and he's like, excuse 2512 02:09:59,200 --> 02:10:02,680 me, Sir, what is what is this shows me a dolphin fetus. 2513 02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:07,000 And I was like, I think that's a dolphin fetus because I've 2514 02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,280 looked at. All the different kinds of yeah 2515 02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:10,280 of. Course, and it's like his face. 2516 02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:14,080 He's just like, that was his kill shot. 2517 02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:16,360 Yeah, failure. He's just, he's just out of 2518 02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:18,520 there and. You know, I like to think 1 it 2519 02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:21,200 made for a good short, you know, get gets a million views or 2520 02:10:21,200 --> 02:10:26,200 whatever, but two for the rest of eternity, this thing that was 2521 02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:29,160 going to be awesome and he was going to put me in his place 2522 02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:32,440 just crashed and burned and and went the other way. 2523 02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:34,840 And, and I did see that video and it's classic and especially 2524 02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:36,320 when you know what? They're what the trick looks 2525 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:39,000 like. So yeah, that's the other one. 2526 02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:41,480 The other one that you shared, which I love is whenever the 2527 02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:43,440 Capitol Police the. Chief guy in the Capitol, the 2528 02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:48,480 Lieutenant Johnson or whatever, like he's, he's trying to like 2529 02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:51,280 abolitionists. We are setting up we're, we're 2530 02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:54,560 not like on the Capitol, We're not like on the grass where they 2531 02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:58,000 set up the stage. Like we're kind of down. 2532 02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:02,200 We want to, we want to erect the Abolish Human abortion banner 2533 02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:06,880 and we're going to literally pray together, like a group of 2534 02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:08,960 people peacefully assembling to pray. 2535 02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:11,680 And then we're going to talk to people as they come by, right? 2536 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:14,160 And we, we'll put it all together. 2537 02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:16,080 And you'd share this one, I think. 2538 02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:18,240 And, and a lot of folks that are kind of like, oh, you should 2539 02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:19,600 have them on. That's where this, this whole 2540 02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:20,680 thing came from. Fair enough. 2541 02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:22,560 I would have had you on beforehand because my wife's 2542 02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:25,000 been falling for a long time. So that was just the catalyst. 2543 02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:26,880 That that works out, Yeah. No, that's awesome. 2544 02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:29,200 In my mind it's it's because I'm not. 2545 02:11:29,800 --> 02:11:32,680 I'm not really on Twitter very much, but that's but that's how 2546 02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:34,600 I it's successful. You're not missing. 2547 02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:37,040 Yeah, every time I get on there, I just kind of. 2548 02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:42,040 Take people off so. But anyway, so I love that short 2549 02:11:42,440 --> 02:11:46,400 and it captures some of it, but it doesn't capture just how 2550 02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:49,680 hilarious it was and how much internally I was like keeping 2551 02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:55,360 myself from being just a total, you know, unbearable that 2552 02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:57,960 person, because I'm sitting there, you're you're poking the 2553 02:11:57,960 --> 02:11:59,280 bear there. He's like, he's like, you're 2554 02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:00,960 like, Lieutenant Materson doesn't. 2555 02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:04,560 Have his microphone on does it I'm I'm like looking at they're 2556 02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:06,520 like you need to disband. They've got. 2557 02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:10,040 Like a paper, they got a script that they have to read all the 2558 02:12:10,040 --> 02:12:12,080 way through. And once they get through with 2559 02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:16,680 the script, that'll give them license to like zip tie us and 2560 02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:19,040 put us in Paddy wagons and remove us from the cow. 2561 02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:21,240 And I'm looking at it. I can see the script. 2562 02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:24,440 I can see him reading the script and he tries to, he tries, he 2563 02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:27,160 can't turn his bullhorn on or it's broken or something. 2564 02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:31,680 And it's just so pathetic. And you know, he's, he's, he's 2565 02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:34,280 playing the game. But from my perspective and I, 2566 02:12:34,280 --> 02:12:37,280 and I've got my Bible out and I'm like, I'm just trying to 2567 02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,000 like, do what we had planned. I was going to read this chapter 2568 02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:41,760 of the Bible and we're going to pray, pray through it. 2569 02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:45,800 And I'm trying to read this portion of Scripture and my 2570 02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:48,760 like, I wish I had those meta glasses on so you could see my, 2571 02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:55,360 it's like there are these cops with zip ties waiting for their 2572 02:12:55,360 --> 02:12:59,040 Lieutenant to finish his script so they can zip tie us. 2573 02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:04,000 And in my perspective, is zip ties some kind of some pudgy 2574 02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,200 cops. You know, they're not all pudgy, 2575 02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:08,240 but like, I'm kind of like, it's Capitol Police. 2576 02:13:08,240 --> 02:13:10,280 We don't, I don't have a lot of, yeah, maybe you shouldn't call 2577 02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:11,480 them cops. Like, I don't know. 2578 02:13:11,480 --> 02:13:13,400 Capital security guard. Yeah, there's security guards. 2579 02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:15,440 The highest, The highest. Paul. 2580 02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:17,320 Paul. Blart or whatever his name is. 2581 02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:21,080 Yes. And and I'm looking at them and 2582 02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:24,200 I see all these like homeschool mom and dads, like they're just 2583 02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:29,640 all these just we're not doing nothing to anybody and all these 2584 02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:31,960 different cops and on their faces. 2585 02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:36,680 It's just like whenever I was a little kid and I thought about 2586 02:13:36,680 --> 02:13:39,200 growing up and being in law enforcement, I really did not 2587 02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,240 think that this is what it would be. 2588 02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:43,200 My buddy, so my buddy Phil says this. 2589 02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,520 He spent 14 years, 15 years as an FBI. 2590 02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:50,200 Agent and his most just devastating takedown of anybody 2591 02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:53,840 that's doing this stuff right. It's like is this what you is 2592 02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:55,720 this what you signed up for the FBI to do? 2593 02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,320 Is this why you signed up to be a Capitol Police officer? 2594 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:03,080 Go run off peaceful praying homeschool mom and dads from the 2595 02:14:03,080 --> 02:14:04,520 Capitol ground. Is that what you signed up? 2596 02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:05,880 Is that what this paycheck is for you? 2597 02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:08,080 Like, is that how you look in the mirror every morning and 2598 02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:09,320 you're like, I'm proud of what I'm doing. 2599 02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:12,880 I'm shutting down people. It's it's devastating. 2600 02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:14,760 Like, how do you go home with that in your heart? 2601 02:14:15,200 --> 02:14:18,520 At some point, At some point it's got your job. 2602 02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:20,800 We didn't put it in the short, I don't think. 2603 02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:21,960 I don't know if we got it, but I was. 2604 02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:24,840 Talking to some of them, they're all like loitering about in 2605 02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:27,440 their bikes, waiting for us to be done. 2606 02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:30,000 With that, we're done. And I'm just kind of like, you 2607 02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,840 know what, It'd be like a really great time to, like, rob a bank 2608 02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:37,720 and watch it in DC, huh? Like, like you got like, like 2609 02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:40,280 every law enforcement officer is out here. 2610 02:14:40,520 --> 02:14:42,360 There's, like, as many of y'all as there is of us. 2611 02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:44,600 Like, what in the world's going on so bad? 2612 02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:47,280 Yeah. Like somebody somewhere is like 2613 02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:51,520 doing something seriously evil and y'all aren't dealing with 2614 02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:53,520 it, you know? And you kind of see on some of 2615 02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:57,040 their faces kind of like a holy crap, that's right. 2616 02:14:57,080 --> 02:15:00,640 You know, So not, not not a particularly funny story, but 2617 02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:03,560 just telling them like I do. I don't time that we're in, 2618 02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:05,480 right. Yeah, I don't spend a lot of 2619 02:15:05,480 --> 02:15:07,800 time. You know, fighting with. 2620 02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:11,640 You know cops. Because there are, I mean, it's 2621 02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:13,560 probably, it's probably to your advantage to not do that. 2622 02:15:14,080 --> 02:15:15,440 Yeah, there there are people that. 2623 02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:18,040 Do what I do, but they spend a lot of time arguing for. 2624 02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:21,000 Like the right to be like 2 feet closer to something and it 2625 02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:22,760 doesn't matter. And it's like, what are you 2626 02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:25,560 doing? I do try to with law enforcement 2627 02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:29,960 people to, to get into their minds like, hey, you took an 2628 02:15:29,960 --> 02:15:32,560 oath to defend the innocent or something like that. 2629 02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:37,160 And you're not really doing it. We're doing it like we have to 2630 02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:39,720 hold these signs and tell people not to murder their children 2631 02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:43,440 because you won't, like, kick down the door and stop the 2632 02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:47,400 person that's doing it. Like, how do you sleep at night 2633 02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:49,120 sort of thing. But I try not to be that. 2634 02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:52,320 That mean to them but some. Abolitionists are are much, much 2635 02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:54,600 more forward. But yeah, so I don't fight with 2636 02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:59,760 them too much. But definitely in I, I would say 2637 02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:02,760 that I enjoy the work that I do like out there on the streets 2638 02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,040 and I am trying to reach as many people as possible. 2639 02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:10,000 But the real, the real joy and the real fruit is coming online 2640 02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:14,640 and the fact that there are, you know, 10s of thousands, I'm 2641 02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:18,600 probably saying a number that's that's lower than it is hundreds 2642 02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:22,360 of thousands of, you know, viewers who are regularly 2643 02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:28,440 commenting and growing in boldness about this evil. 2644 02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:31,680 And it's shifted. And the other side, both the 2645 02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:35,760 pro-life approach was they don't even know that the number of 2646 02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:38,879 people that are just very comfortable with abortion is 2647 02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:41,360 murder. It's evil, it's a sin, it's a 2648 02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:43,200 crime. It should be abolished. 2649 02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:46,120 There should be punishment. And what's the freaking problem 2650 02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:48,200 with all of you guys who can't see this? 2651 02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:53,799 That number has grown so incredibly large that you see 2652 02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:58,920 whenever the abolition in the pro-life movements clash that 2653 02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:02,400 pro lifers think. They're going to come out and 2654 02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:03,799 they're. Going to say these abolitionists 2655 02:17:03,799 --> 02:17:06,240 are harsh. They're calling abortion murder. 2656 02:17:06,799 --> 02:17:11,440 And then like they get ratioed hardcore, massive and they're 2657 02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:14,680 like, oh, crap. Like yeah, they've lost. 2658 02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:18,000 They've lost the crowd, they've lost the people and it's kind of 2659 02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:22,160 only a matter of time. So not like any, but serious. 2660 02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:23,520 It is serious, but it's a serious. 2661 02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:25,040 I mean, this is about as serious a topic as. 2662 02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:27,400 You can get into and I think. That the stakes are as high as 2663 02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:29,840 they are and we can have a little bit of light hearted 2664 02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:31,680 nature with it. But at the same time it's like, 2665 02:17:31,879 --> 02:17:34,600 you know, using the words you're using, those are not casual. 2666 02:17:34,799 --> 02:17:37,080 It's not casual conversation. It's not polite conversation for 2667 02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:39,520 regular people. But I don't even, I don't think 2668 02:17:39,520 --> 02:17:40,680 about it. You probably don't think about 2669 02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:44,360 it when you're talking about. 2nd Amendment stuff like I don't 2670 02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:46,160 think, I don't think about it when I'm talking about abortion. 2671 02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:48,280 I'm very comfortable with the things like none. 2672 02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:52,400 Of those things make me turn and go oh, but again, I started off 2673 02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:54,240 as somebody ambivalent probably about the time we were in 2674 02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:56,840 college together looking back when we were but I was taking on 2675 02:17:56,840 --> 02:17:59,480 the same campus that you were we should figure it out You send me 2676 02:17:59,480 --> 02:18:02,000 your transcript and I'll send you mine and we'll see if we 2677 02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:03,240 actually. Were in a class together, 2678 02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:07,920 there's a strong probability I feel like yeah, 2000 to 2005. 2679 02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:10,400 I was in a lot of classes too because I was there for a while. 2680 02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:12,000 And I just kept taking more and more classes and. 2681 02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:15,200 I was not very good at, wasn't very good at sticking with 2682 02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:16,920 anything. So yeah, I was a super. 2683 02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:18,000 I was a super. Senior. 2684 02:18:18,440 --> 02:18:21,080 Yeah, I, I think I, I can't. Remember, if I it must have been 2685 02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:22,639 the end of my my super senior year. 2686 02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:24,639 I was like, this is totally ridiculous. 2687 02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:26,639 Like I'm ridiculous. I'm a ridiculous person for 2688 02:18:26,639 --> 02:18:29,280 being here as long as I have and all the stupidity that I've 2689 02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:30,840 changed and finally get out of here. 2690 02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:32,680 By the way, OK, let me just share with you, this is totally 2691 02:18:32,680 --> 02:18:34,000 personal thing. My audience will get a kick out 2692 02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:36,120 of this too. I didn't actually graduate when 2693 02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:39,040 I left. I just left college and walked 2694 02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:40,719 the stage without actually getting a diploma. 2695 02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:43,400 I don't know if I've ever said that to anybody publicly, but it 2696 02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:44,559 doesn't. It doesn't really matter. 2697 02:18:44,600 --> 02:18:48,120 I mean, you didn't fulfill your credits or yeah, no, People who 2698 02:18:48,120 --> 02:18:49,480 know me know. This, I mean, this is not like, 2699 02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:52,120 it's like it's not a deep secret, but like in two. 1005, I 2700 02:18:52,120 --> 02:18:55,559 walked the stage for the College of Arts and Science graduation. 2701 02:18:55,559 --> 02:18:57,040 The biggest one that they have in Norman, right? 2702 02:18:57,200 --> 02:18:59,559 Yeah. Lloyd Noble or something? 2703 02:18:59,719 --> 02:19:03,280 I'm an S Seraphin. So I'm at the back, they get to 2704 02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:04,920 me. And you and you write your card, 2705 02:19:04,920 --> 02:19:06,080 right? You write down your card. 2706 02:19:06,320 --> 02:19:08,000 And you said this is at least going back to when we did. 2707 02:19:08,120 --> 02:19:10,200 So you write down your card. Here's my name, how I wanted to 2708 02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:12,959 be, you know, said when I graduate, then they give you a 2709 02:19:12,959 --> 02:19:17,360 blank, a blank diploma thing that will hold your eventual 2710 02:19:17,360 --> 02:19:20,480 diploma, right? Yeah, I remember that. 2711 02:19:20,480 --> 02:19:22,240 I got some of those, so I signed up. 2712 02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:25,240 To walk the stage and didn't actually finish. 2713 02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:28,120 At least one or two of the classes, my final senior. 2714 02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:30,760 So it was just they were assuming that you were going to 2715 02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:32,520 Yeah, it was an incomplete that I ended up taking because I 2716 02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:33,400 just. I just blew it. 2717 02:19:33,400 --> 02:19:37,440 I just I just withdrew. Or something from a class, but 2718 02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:40,160 you got the nice little leather, you have the nice little leather 2719 02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:41,639 thing. So it goes like this. 2720 02:19:41,639 --> 02:19:43,559 So I I. I walk up, I hand the lady my 2721 02:19:43,559 --> 02:19:46,160 card and the and then and. I, I thought the whole thing was 2722 02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:48,040 a joke, right? I thought it was stupid. 2723 02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:50,800 Three weeks prior, I shaved a Mohawk. 2724 02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,720 So I was completely down to the skin except for a Mohawk, and I 2725 02:19:53,720 --> 02:19:56,320 went everywhere in a blazer because I was ATA as well. 2726 02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:57,600 I was teaching as an undergraduate teaching 2727 02:19:57,600 --> 02:19:59,760 assistant, so I've got a, a Mohawk and a blazer. 2728 02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:02,680 I look absolutely absurd, which felt like what was appropriate 2729 02:20:02,680 --> 02:20:05,120 for where I was. Then I hand them the card, which 2730 02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:08,440 was also absurd, and I wrote Sir Kyle Matthew Seraphin. 2731 02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:12,560 So they take the card and they hand it over to the guy. 2732 02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:14,160 Who's at the microphone? And they go. 2733 02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,280 Sir Kyle, Matthew Serafin, you know what, I walk up and I'm 2734 02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:19,480 like smiling and I you know shake the hand of whoever was 2735 02:20:19,480 --> 02:20:21,880 the Dean or whatever as I get my blank diploma thing. 2736 02:20:21,880 --> 02:20:25,240 I walk off 8 people behind me had the same unoriginal idea 2737 02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:27,360 that after I did it, they all were Sers as well. 2738 02:20:27,480 --> 02:20:29,240 They all added server to their stupid thing. 2739 02:20:29,560 --> 02:20:31,440 So then we go out there. My brother actually got his 2740 02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:33,640 diploma right then because my brother graduated the same year. 2741 02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:35,280 He was a year behind me in school and then he was the same 2742 02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:38,000 year as me, but I didn't get a diploma and then I went off into 2743 02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:41,880 my life. I did all my things and then I 2744 02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:44,000 called Oklahoma in 2008 because I was going to go into the 2745 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,120 military and I said, hey, by the way, I never graduated, but I 2746 02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:47,360 feel like I have a ton of credits. 2747 02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:49,360 Can you see if I qualify for any degree and you can give it to 2748 02:20:49,360 --> 02:20:52,240 me? And they said, yeah, you qualify 2749 02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:55,240 for this degree that we didn't have available when you were 2750 02:20:55,240 --> 02:20:56,120 there. It's called letters. 2751 02:20:56,680 --> 02:20:59,640 And I went, oh, good, fantastic. Because it was, it was called 2752 02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:01,640 something else at the time and it was not quite the same like 2753 02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:04,320 established track classics or something, something to that 2754 02:21:04,320 --> 02:21:05,120 effect. Yeah, exactly. 2755 02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:06,880 They they solidified the the letters thing. 2756 02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:08,200 Apparently right after that or maybe. 2757 02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:09,840 I I qualified for it, but I didn't know back then. 2758 02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:12,960 And so they go. I remember a bunch of sort of 2759 02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:14,920 friends that were having trouble. 2760 02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:18,480 With whatever degrees that they were, they were doing, it was 2761 02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:21,000 ended up being a letters, letters majors. 2762 02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,160 Yeah, they're all going to seminary or something later. 2763 02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:24,640 Well, they were just like, how many credits you got? 2764 02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:27,200 You got like 180 credit hours. Like, yeah, you qualify. 2765 02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,520 For a degree at 120. So we'll give you this letters 2766 02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:30,560 degree. So that's what it ended up 2767 02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:32,040 being. So they go, yeah, no problem, 2768 02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:34,480 we'd happy, we'd happy, happily send you a diploma. 2769 02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,400 You owe us $1500 in library fines. 2770 02:21:39,800 --> 02:21:41,560 I must have lost like 8 books or something. 2771 02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:43,640 And you're like, fair enough, Exchange I. 2772 02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:45,680 Was like, yeah, whatever, I got to write you a check, so be it. 2773 02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:47,360 So there. Should be a shelf named after me 2774 02:21:47,360 --> 02:21:49,320 at the bazelle. Library in Norman, OK. 2775 02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:51,120 There should be because of the amount of money that I paid in 2776 02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:53,720 fines, maybe one of the bigger fines that's ever been paid. 2777 02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:58,480 But yeah, yeah, I was just saying my I, my, my thing, my 2778 02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:00,400 favorite thing. About the Bazelle library is. 2779 02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:03,200 Whenever people outside of the Bazelle Library are calling me a 2780 02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,440 lunatic and an idiot and all this kind of stuff, you know, I 2781 02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:10,040 want to be like, hey, why don't you go into the Bazelle Library, 2782 02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:12,680 go into the Great Reading Room where they have all the, the 2783 02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:15,360 dissertations and the master's theses and all that kind of 2784 02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:19,800 stuff, and go look up my name and grab my master's thesis off 2785 02:22:19,800 --> 02:22:21,240 the wall in the Great Reading Room. 2786 02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:24,360 I can show you where it is. It's like they're like these 2787 02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:29,880 undergrad students who are telling me how dumb I am can go 2788 02:22:29,880 --> 02:22:33,440 into their library that they're paying to have access to and 2789 02:22:33,440 --> 02:22:35,760 find my book. You know, it's kind of like, why 2790 02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:36,960 don't you go do that? Yeah. 2791 02:22:36,960 --> 02:22:38,800 Add to the. Add to the top of that that I'm 2792 02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:40,600 sure you were ATA and you've graded. 2793 02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:42,400 Their papers and they weren't that impressive. 2794 02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:47,120 But yeah, no, it's, I mean, I try to purposefully. 2795 02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:49,440 You know, dumb it down a little bit. 2796 02:22:49,440 --> 02:22:52,640 You know, just like you, you want, you don't want to be like, 2797 02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:57,640 oh, before we engage and you bring up something like, I'm not 2798 02:22:57,640 --> 02:23:01,320 going to tell you before that that I am a historian of 2799 02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:03,800 science, you know, So if you're going to go, if you're going to 2800 02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:06,400 go down the like we're talking about abortion, but you think, 2801 02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:09,000 oh, let me go down. The Galileo was persecuted by 2802 02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:12,720 the church. He wasn't not, not for, for you 2803 02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:15,080 know, I'm not going to get into it on your show, but like before 2804 02:23:15,080 --> 02:23:19,320 you, before you go down the I'm going to put this Christian in 2805 02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:23,800 his place with some science, religion, warfare thesis stuff. 2806 02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:28,120 I will murder you on that, you know, I'm not going to tell them 2807 02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:30,680 beforehand. It's real hunting style. 2808 02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:33,320 It's always very fun because I think. 2809 02:23:33,320 --> 02:23:36,880 That sometimes there's. A that's a really like, 2810 02:23:36,880 --> 02:23:40,120 sometimes you like I, I do want to like, you know, I have no 2811 02:23:40,120 --> 02:23:43,160 hatred towards like what, you know, what would generally be 2812 02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:46,840 called like lost people. Like I, I don't feel any sort of 2813 02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:51,080 like, I want, I want to, to beat you in a debate and make you 2814 02:23:51,080 --> 02:23:53,200 look stupid. That's not really my thing. 2815 02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:57,600 So I do care about them. I am wanting to, you know, tell 2816 02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:00,400 them good news that God can love them and forgive them. 2817 02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:03,960 I do want to tell them that. But sometimes you're not going 2818 02:24:03,960 --> 02:24:09,120 to get to that point. And if I, if, if a person goes 2819 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:11,880 home and they're sitting on their couch and they're, 2820 02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:15,120 they're, you know, whatever, watching Netflix and they're 2821 02:24:15,120 --> 02:24:19,400 trying to think about the day and they think, man, that 2822 02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:24,560 Christian just destroyed me. I think that's a really good 2823 02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:25,560 thing. Like I think. 2824 02:24:25,560 --> 02:24:27,240 It's a real like that. They have the. 2825 02:24:27,240 --> 02:24:31,960 Realization that like, they were going to just chug along and 2826 02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:36,720 they're going to switch the topic to hominid fossils. 2827 02:24:39,360 --> 02:24:42,120 The best part of it ran right. Into something that they didn't 2828 02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:44,160 even know you know. The best will be is that. 2829 02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:46,840 They'll go out there and maybe, maybe on the outside chance that 2830 02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:48,320 they decide to. Get more educated on this. 2831 02:24:48,320 --> 02:24:51,320 So the next time that happens that I'm more prepared and then 2832 02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:54,040 then they self radicalize. So I think that yeah, they go 2833 02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,920 and they're going to study it. Oh no, I've seen that. 2834 02:24:57,120 --> 02:24:59,080 I've seen. That happen, people come back 2835 02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:01,200 like that. They had talked to me like one 2836 02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:05,320 year and then came back a year later and said hey last year 2837 02:25:05,320 --> 02:25:10,520 when you were here I was on the other side well what happened 2838 02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:12,760 well, I just kind of like started really looking into it 2839 02:25:12,840 --> 02:25:17,080 and turns out y'all all right, I was like yeah it happens I mean 2840 02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:18,760 it's a miracle. Maybe it's a miracle. 2841 02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:21,360 It is a miracle happens every day all right tell people where 2842 02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:22,960 to follow you from our channel here now they've. 2843 02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:24,800 Now that they're listening to the end of this thing and 2844 02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:26,960 they're thinking, OK, I got to see some of these videos where 2845 02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:29,960 they can find hopefully. Yeah, just get on YouTube and 2846 02:25:29,960 --> 02:25:34,080 type in abolitionist. Or Abolitionists Rising, either 2847 02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:35,360 one of those are going to go to our channel. 2848 02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:37,800 Very good. Apparently most people think 2849 02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:40,920 it's abolitionist rising, but I'm not the only abolitionist. 2850 02:25:40,920 --> 02:25:44,200 That's why there's an S there. But yeah, Abolitionist Rising on 2851 02:25:44,200 --> 02:25:46,760 YouTube. Easiest way to find the short 2852 02:25:46,760 --> 02:25:48,080 content that we're talking about. 2853 02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:50,760 And then the longer form stuff, you know, lectures, 2854 02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:55,240 presentations, you know, we we put up long uncut conversations, 2855 02:25:55,520 --> 02:25:57,440 you know, whenever they're whenever they're good. 2856 02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:00,600 We don't, we don't actually edit anything out. 2857 02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:05,640 I've never in my entire life run into someone who offered valid, 2858 02:26:05,640 --> 02:26:11,560 sound, well put together and explicated arguments for 2859 02:26:11,560 --> 02:26:12,720 abortion just never have happened. 2860 02:26:12,840 --> 02:26:14,680 We're not like choosing not to show those. 2861 02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:17,960 Those don't exist. But yeah, so you can see all 2862 02:26:17,960 --> 02:26:20,800 that on YouTube or if you're a TikTok person, same thing. 2863 02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:22,480 But we don't put the long form content. 2864 02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:27,400 If you want to like look into the more nitty gritty ideology 2865 02:26:27,400 --> 02:26:30,400 stuff, abolitionist rising.com, just the website. 2866 02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:32,520 So all those links will be in the show description folks, so 2867 02:26:32,520 --> 02:26:34,600 you guys can read those in the notes and that'll be real easy. 2868 02:26:34,600 --> 02:26:37,920 And I look forward to doing this maybe again in the future, 2869 02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:40,840 because that was fun. Yeah, let me know. 2870 02:26:41,080 --> 02:26:43,320 It's fun to randomly run across somebody who was at the. 2871 02:26:43,320 --> 02:26:45,240 Same place in time. Like I said, we'll we'll do a 2872 02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:46,720 transcript. Swap and see what we were at. 2873 02:26:47,240 --> 02:26:49,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure. 2874 02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:53,720 Like if you took some. Philosophy classes anywhere in 2875 02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:57,560 there, Chances are, but I don't know. 2876 02:26:57,560 --> 02:27:01,120 I feel like if I heard your name, your last name, I would 2877 02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:03,400 remember it. Yeah, but how many times did you 2878 02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:05,200 hear the last name of the people in the class that you just saw 2879 02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:06,680 for a? Semester or something? 2880 02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:09,880 So yeah. Wait, you said 2000, so 2000 or 2881 02:27:09,880 --> 02:27:13,040 2005? Yeah, so I was I was I. 2882 02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:20,200 Was ATA beginning? In 2000, like 7 through 2010. 2883 02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:23,280 So it would have been awesome if I was like, Oh yeah, I remember 2884 02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:27,400 giving you AI remember your blue book. 2885 02:27:27,440 --> 02:27:30,520 I would I would have caught A's in any class that had to do with 2886 02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:32,360 writing or. Had to do with thinking, 2887 02:27:32,360 --> 02:27:35,240 reasoning, and I would have caught not the greatest grades 2888 02:27:35,240 --> 02:27:37,680 when I didn't show up for class, which was a lot of science 2889 02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:40,480 classes, I got bored. Yeah, the zoology class where 2890 02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:42,680 you had to be there three times a week and then you had. 2891 02:27:42,680 --> 02:27:45,760 To do the lab work, it's like, yeah, yeah, great. 2892 02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:47,480 The great here, here's the final story for you. 2893 02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:50,760 I legitimately went to a. Lab one time, which was once a 2894 02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:53,800 week, and found out that the midterm was that morning and I 2895 02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:56,040 hadn't been going to class all semester, so why would I know 2896 02:27:56,040 --> 02:27:58,000 when the midterm was? So I straight up and missed the 2897 02:27:58,000 --> 02:27:59,560 midterm. That's probably one of the 2898 02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:04,000 reasons why I got a zero point. I think a 0.75 GPA one semester. 2899 02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:06,280 It was very impressive. They don't just give those out 2900 02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:08,800 like Tommy Boy. Yeah, that's that's you got to 2901 02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:11,440 like go to a certain amount. It's it's like you're trying. 2902 02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:14,600 I had like I. Had like AD and like some FS and 2903 02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:16,280 an incomplete and like 1A or something. 2904 02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:18,640 Really weird. It was really bad. 2905 02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:20,840 Yeah. Not not a great student. 2906 02:28:21,160 --> 02:28:24,360 I have some, I have some bad I I had great grades as a graduate 2907 02:28:24,360 --> 02:28:27,160 student, but not. Great grades as an undergrad and 2908 02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:29,280 people are always like, well, you know, why didn't you get, 2909 02:28:29,360 --> 02:28:30,840 you know, 4 point O as undergrad? 2910 02:28:30,840 --> 02:28:32,120 And I was like, well, I mean, I got some. 2911 02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:34,160 I got AD. Like you got it. 2912 02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:37,920 Oh my gosh, you got AD? What'd you get AD in nude 2913 02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:39,800 drawing? It was like 8. 2914 02:28:39,800 --> 02:28:43,840 AMI had to like walk across campus and draw old people's 2915 02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:46,120 private parts. I mean, it was like, you were 2916 02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:47,800 not good at that. I was not. 2917 02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:49,760 That was just not my jam. That's a good thing. 2918 02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:51,160 To be not good at. To be at the end of. 2919 02:28:51,160 --> 02:28:52,760 The day as a dad you look back and and. 2920 02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:57,120 Yeah, it turns out that I didn't want to draw naked people 2921 02:28:57,120 --> 02:29:00,320 whenever I was a freshman. And sophomore in college. 2922 02:29:00,320 --> 02:29:01,800 Yeah. Naked people in their senior 2923 02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:02,640 years. Good for you. 2924 02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:04,240 Well done. Yeah, they were getting. 2925 02:29:04,320 --> 02:29:07,800 Probably getting paid like, you know, $15.00 an hour to stand. 2926 02:29:07,800 --> 02:29:10,360 There naked in front of I mean, it was, it was traumatic. 2927 02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:15,240 And so, yeah, I, it's like I've got like an A in symbolic logic 2928 02:29:15,240 --> 02:29:20,240 as an art student and A and A and AD in drawing too, because 2929 02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:21,760 it was, you know, nudes and stuff. 2930 02:29:21,760 --> 02:29:24,280 But see, we it always comes to humor at the end. 2931 02:29:24,280 --> 02:29:26,640 We'll finish it up that way. Thanks. 2932 02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:28,440 Thanks for sitting with me. Thanks for spending all the 2933 02:29:28,440 --> 02:29:29,760 time. We'll send people your way too. 2934 02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:31,160 I appreciate it, bud. All right. 2935 02:29:31,160 --> 02:29:32,400 Appreciate you. Thanks, brother. 2936 02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:34,840 Outstanding. That is our Sunday. 2937 02:29:34,840 --> 02:29:36,600 Sit down for today. I really appreciate you. 2938 02:29:36,600 --> 02:29:38,160 Guys joining us, I hope that was fun for you. 2939 02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:40,240 It was actually a really interesting conversation for me 2940 02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:44,360 with Mr. T Russell Hunter of the Abolitionist Rising Movement. 2941 02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:47,320 Kind of a cool take on things, maybe converted some of you and 2942 02:29:47,480 --> 02:29:49,040 the mindset will change a little bit. 2943 02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:51,640 Did for me realized I'm a little bit more extreme. 2944 02:29:51,640 --> 02:29:52,960 That's just the way that I operate. 2945 02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:55,200 Thanks so much for being part of it against support our sponsors. 2946 02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:57,960 If you can watch the channels wherever you are on it. 2947 02:29:57,960 --> 02:30:01,640 If you're on Rumble, if you're on YouTube, if you're over on 2948 02:30:01,640 --> 02:30:05,280 Spotify, give us a comment, give us a like make sure you're 2949 02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:07,560 following the channel you've got the notifications on if you want 2950 02:30:07,560 --> 02:30:09,920 to see when this goes live, if you'd like to see our locals 2951 02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:12,000 channel, you can get these interviews one day early. 2952 02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:14,000 You get them on Saturdays. If that's a better day for you, 2953 02:30:14,160 --> 02:30:16,120 that's when you do your travel. So go ahead and Kyle 2954 02:30:16,120 --> 02:30:18,720 seraphin.com and do that by all means. 2955 02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,480 We really appreciate all of you guys being part of it. 2956 02:30:20,480 --> 02:30:22,280 These shows are for you. These are the things that I do 2957 02:30:22,280 --> 02:30:25,560 because you guys asked for them. And it makes me kind of step out 2958 02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:27,920 of the comfort zone, go talk to people that maybe I wouldn't do. 2959 02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:30,240 Maybe go out and reach out and do a little bit more video 2960 02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:32,960 editing than I like to do too. But that's that's not nothing. 2961 02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:34,400 All right, I hope you have a wonderful Sunday. 2962 02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:35,800 If you're listening to this during the week, I hope you're 2963 02:30:35,800 --> 02:30:38,160 having a wonderful week so far. Make sure you're always checking 2964 02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:41,160 out the Kyle Seraphin show at 0930 Eastern Time. 2965 02:30:41,400 --> 02:30:44,400 And that is, that's 830 in Texas, America, isn't it? 2966 02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:48,200 Have a great day, guys. God bless you. 2967 02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:51,760 We'll talk to you soon. Thank you for listening to the 2968 02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:54,560 Kyle Seraphin Show streamed. Live weekdays on. 2969 02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:59,240 Rumble.com/kyle Seraphin Follow Kyle on Twitter, true Social and 2970 02:30:59,240 --> 02:31:01,600 Instagram at Kyle Seraphin.