1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,440 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,900 agent Kyle Seraf. Hello, my friends. 7 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:23,980 Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show. 8 00:00:23,980 --> 00:00:25,540 It looks like I got a little something in my throat right 9 00:00:25,540 --> 00:00:26,700 now. It is Wednesday, September the 10 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:29,220 13th. Want to welcome you to a midweek 11 00:00:29,220 --> 00:00:30,100 show? I think we're going to have a 12 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:31,900 good time here. Got an excellent guest that we 13 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:35,100 are going to ask some questions about coverage of January 6. 14 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:38,320 I think there's a story in both the what's going on and what's 15 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,720 happened with the defendants, but also in the process of 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,440 covering it. I think people that have been 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,720 involved in this have learned things along the way and they 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,720 are starting to piece together more and more of it. 19 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,720 But it is a an onion that has many, many layers. 20 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,280 So stick around. We're going to be talking to Mel 21 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,000 Halle in just a moment here. 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We're doing some tech 55 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:10,180 difficulties, Ryan and I troubleshooting, so we don't 56 00:02:10,180 --> 00:02:11,340 have any other problems from before. 57 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:13,420 So, Mel, welcome to the Kyle Seraphen Show. 58 00:02:13,980 --> 00:02:16,340 First of all, tell me who you are, where you came from, and 59 00:02:16,340 --> 00:02:18,180 then we'll get into why you started covering January 6th 60 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:20,460 stuff. Okay, okay. 61 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:23,420 Great. Well, you know, I have I I'm a 62 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:27,380 mom of eight, Catholic. That's why I'm a mom of eight. 63 00:02:27,820 --> 00:02:33,940 And I was, you know, I was just a mom playing on Twitter like 64 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:38,860 three years ago and but I've always been, you know, always 65 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:41,300 been patriots. I I did have a little bit of a 66 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:46,820 following on Facebook and I I ended up working for a 67 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:50,170 podcaster. And that we had a media team 68 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:53,970 that was going to go to the Capitol on January 6th. 69 00:02:54,850 --> 00:02:58,850 And we were just going to, you know, send back her live stream 70 00:02:59,290 --> 00:03:02,410 videos that we took and pictures to this podcaster who was going 71 00:03:02,410 --> 00:03:08,050 to be live streaming it. And you know, I'll tell you, it 72 00:03:08,050 --> 00:03:13,170 was when I left the Capitol that day and I was riding home and I 73 00:03:13,170 --> 00:03:15,690 left about 3:00. So I wasn't there, you know? 74 00:03:16,030 --> 00:03:19,590 Into the evening or anything but it and it turned on the radio 75 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:23,230 and and heard what they were saying and and I looked at my 76 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:25,510 friend that I wrote in with and I said this isn't what I just 77 00:03:25,510 --> 00:03:31,710 experienced you know this is this is not okay and I had I had 78 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:38,790 only posted 11 personal picture to Facebook from my day and I 79 00:03:38,790 --> 00:03:41,230 went on Facebook and I said I'm going to go take that picture 80 00:03:41,230 --> 00:03:45,110 down because something's just not right here and. 81 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,160 You know, so I so I had a big interest in it. 82 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,720 I was following any stories I heard about people being 83 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,840 arrested. I was hearing about I I live in 84 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Virginia and I was hearing about people being arrested here in 85 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Virginia and being raided. You know, their children being 86 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,040 taken out 5:00 in the morning in pajamas and freezing cold 87 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,080 weather. And you know I just started 88 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,920 following this and and and started found my way into the 89 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,120 community through other January 6th defendants. 90 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:23,220 And then come September of 2021, I I had a couple of agents show 91 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:28,420 up at my house and they they questioned me for about 30 92 00:04:28,420 --> 00:04:31,500 minutes and something just didn't seem right about it 93 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:32,780 either. I wasn't even sure that they 94 00:04:32,780 --> 00:04:35,900 were actually federal agents. They they showed me badges. 95 00:04:37,620 --> 00:04:41,980 What do? The badges look like well, they 96 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:44,890 were, they were. You know, if I remember 97 00:04:44,890 --> 00:04:47,610 correctly, they were, they were just metal badges inside of some 98 00:04:47,610 --> 00:04:51,930 kind of you know, leather or plastic or whatever. 99 00:04:52,330 --> 00:04:56,570 I I don't remember that well. I wasn't really thinking about 100 00:04:56,570 --> 00:04:58,970 it at the time. Were they very small badges? 101 00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:07,210 No, they were not really small and anyway so they they, you 102 00:05:07,210 --> 00:05:09,890 know, they were attractive 30 something couple. 103 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:14,300 But she had a pierced nose and and he had a a beard. 104 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:17,660 And I thought, I didn't think federal agents were allowed to 105 00:05:17,740 --> 00:05:19,820 to look like that. I thought they, you know, had 106 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:23,180 some pretty strict rules about what they had to look like. 107 00:05:23,180 --> 00:05:26,060 And so when when they were getting ready to leave I said 108 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:29,820 you know, do you have a card? And they said no, no, we we 109 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:31,100 don't carry cards. It's not safe. 110 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:34,660 They said you can see our badges again and and actually when they 111 00:05:34,660 --> 00:05:37,280 first got there. I I said the first thing I said 112 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,760 was I was there as media do you want to see my media badge? 113 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,240 And they said yes. I went and got it. 114 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,880 They took pictures but they they pulled out their badge again or 115 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,400 he did and and said you you can see our badges. 116 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,840 I said can I take a picture? And I said no and put it away. 117 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,240 And then they said you can call the Washington field office to 118 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,200 verify and our names are are Jason and Olivia. 119 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,400 And I'm thinking, wait, your first name is supposed to be 120 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,500 special agent? But why are you giving me first 121 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:06,980 names? This is insane. 122 00:06:07,860 --> 00:06:10,860 So you know they they said is it okay you know if we contact you 123 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:15,700 again I said a guess. And so I, you know I immediately 124 00:06:15,700 --> 00:06:22,420 got a got an attorney involved and both the attorney and I 125 00:06:22,420 --> 00:06:27,900 called this field office and and were laughed at for for 126 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,780 suggesting that they could verify that agents were at my 127 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:34,700 house by giving first names. And that's when we kind of 128 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:37,100 started putting together, you know, they're they're pulling 129 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:41,140 agents off of everything. It's it's very possible that 130 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:45,900 these were undercover agents and that's why they're used to just 131 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:48,620 giving their first name and that's why she had a pierced 132 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:52,420 nose and and he had a beard. And you know, I mean, does that 133 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:55,380 sound feasible to you, Kyle, that that's what that was? 134 00:06:55,780 --> 00:06:58,140 Not really. It sounds like they were just 135 00:06:58,140 --> 00:06:59,500 FBI agents. They don't know how to talk to 136 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,580 people, which we keep seeing. I actually just shared something 137 00:07:01,580 --> 00:07:04,340 on Twitter this morning. You know, people that are out of 138 00:07:04,340 --> 00:07:08,660 shape, people that are slovenly dressed, people that are don't 139 00:07:08,660 --> 00:07:09,980 know how to deal with the public, don't know how to 140 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:12,540 identify themselves, think that it's scary or that they are 141 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:13,820 secret agents or something like that. 142 00:07:13,820 --> 00:07:15,380 I used to joke. I used to work at the Washington 143 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:16,420 field office. I was there five years. 144 00:07:16,420 --> 00:07:18,140 I probably can find out who Jason, Olivia are. 145 00:07:18,140 --> 00:07:19,620 That's probably like 3 phone calls for me. 146 00:07:19,780 --> 00:07:22,540 So I'll. I'll I do have their. 147 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:25,020 I do have their full names now because they came back two 148 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:29,450 months later, and when they came back, I don't want to cut you 149 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:30,450 off. I just want you to understand 150 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:33,410 that that FBI agents, the assumption is that you're going 151 00:07:33,410 --> 00:07:34,490 to see somebody in a suit and a tie. 152 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:35,530 They're going to come knock on your door. 153 00:07:35,530 --> 00:07:37,490 They're going to present credentials the way Fox Mulder 154 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:39,810 and and Dana Scully used to on The X-Files. 155 00:07:39,810 --> 00:07:41,610 And they're going to have a conversation with you that is 156 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:45,050 going to be intelligent people asking intelligent questions and 157 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:46,770 what we have now. And I hate to use the term, but 158 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:48,410 they're, they're kind of like social retards. 159 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:50,970 I had so many new agents come out of the field that had never 160 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:52,650 knocked on a door before and talk to a stranger. 161 00:07:52,970 --> 00:07:56,060 And so you're much better off having a background in sales and 162 00:07:56,060 --> 00:07:58,900 and corporate sales then you are having a background and whatever 163 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:00,100 it is that they're hiring people into. 164 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:01,820 And there's a lot of these people that just they're act, 165 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:03,860 they act weird. They literally have a rule at 166 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:05,700 the Academy. Don't, don't be weird. 167 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:07,700 That's what they try to tell people when they teach them how 168 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:09,820 to talk. And you obviously experience the 169 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:11,740 opposite, that the idea that a female would have a nose 170 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:14,700 piercing is not crazy. I obviously have a beard just 171 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:16,660 for your awareness and I'm going to let you just run wild for a 172 00:08:16,660 --> 00:08:19,700 second here. But my my first sort of mentor 173 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:21,740 within my squad told me that I need to grow a beard because 174 00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:24,420 it's the it's the last FU to management that they can't make 175 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:27,380 a stop. So that's why that's why I grew 176 00:08:27,380 --> 00:08:28,820 a beard and I've grown a beard ever since. 177 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:31,740 And anyway, it's it's not the FBI that you think it is, though 178 00:08:31,740 --> 00:08:33,659 and I think that's really, I think it's that's really 179 00:08:33,659 --> 00:08:36,220 important part of your story because it's not what you expect 180 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:39,260 and it's very weird. Yeah, it was just, it was 181 00:08:39,260 --> 00:08:41,179 bizarre. It really was, and I can only 182 00:08:41,179 --> 00:08:42,620 imagine being on the other end of it too. 183 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:46,180 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was crazy. 184 00:08:46,180 --> 00:08:50,100 So when they came back, I said you can talk to my attorney and 185 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:51,340 they said what? What? 186 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:53,660 What? You said we could come back. 187 00:08:53,660 --> 00:08:58,340 And I said things have changed. And so after that, I I did only 188 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:01,860 converse with them through my attorney and they they wanted to 189 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:04,020 know if they could interview me. I said sure, why not? 190 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:09,460 And so I sat down with them at the the FBI office in in 191 00:09:09,460 --> 00:09:13,420 Manassas, VA, and, you know, had a little conversation there. 192 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:16,580 It was, it was interesting you had to go through a little 193 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:18,420 security office there. I don't know if you've been to 194 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:22,180 that office, Kyle, but did you okay? 195 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:25,130 So there's a little outside. Security building that you have 196 00:09:25,130 --> 00:09:29,410 to go through to to get in and at the time they were you know 197 00:09:29,410 --> 00:09:33,050 they were requiring masking so I had a I had a a mask that was 198 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:36,690 the American flag and and so I you know I asked on upside down 199 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:40,850 and and the this the Screener out there he he looked at me as 200 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:42,930 we went through security and he said your mask is on upside 201 00:09:42,930 --> 00:09:45,250 down. I said, yeah, I know, you said 202 00:09:45,530 --> 00:09:46,690 our country is in duress right now. 203 00:09:46,690 --> 00:09:49,810 It's under duress. That's that's intentional. 204 00:09:50,410 --> 00:09:53,210 Was the Screener an Indian man? They have a like a bunch of 205 00:09:53,210 --> 00:09:54,930 contractors. Those aren't FBI employees from 206 00:09:54,930 --> 00:09:58,370 what I remember. No, it was a it was a black man. 207 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:01,330 Yeah. They had a couple of people that 208 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:03,010 were working that that didn't speak English as the first 209 00:10:03,010 --> 00:10:04,050 language. I always thought that was really 210 00:10:04,050 --> 00:10:05,450 fun. I was like, I'm glad. 211 00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:06,970 They're keeping. They're keeping us safe. 212 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:13,410 Yes, contract company Wackanhut or something Okay. 213 00:10:13,410 --> 00:10:15,930 So you went into the the field office or this is that's called 214 00:10:15,930 --> 00:10:18,050 the resident agency out in Manassas that's part of the 215 00:10:18,050 --> 00:10:19,330 Washington field, you probably know that. 216 00:10:20,130 --> 00:10:22,450 And so you sat down you went through the the visitor entrance 217 00:10:22,450 --> 00:10:24,930 is what we call that side as you drive in on the and then drive 218 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:27,130 into the right and pull in through that little out there 219 00:10:27,130 --> 00:10:29,050 and walk in through the visitor and they screen you and do the 220 00:10:29,050 --> 00:10:30,810 the metal detector and all that kind of thing. 221 00:10:31,010 --> 00:10:32,810 So then somebody came and met you there and walked you into 222 00:10:32,810 --> 00:10:36,410 the building. Yeah they they these these two 223 00:10:36,410 --> 00:10:40,370 agents did and they they met my attorney and myself and and we 224 00:10:40,370 --> 00:10:42,170 walked in and went to some little. 225 00:10:42,890 --> 00:10:46,450 You know interview room there on the 1st floor and and you know 226 00:10:46,450 --> 00:10:48,850 this was after 4:00 in the afternoon so this was kind of 227 00:10:48,850 --> 00:10:51,770 you know after hours people had gone home, you know so it's 228 00:10:51,770 --> 00:10:58,090 pretty quiet in there and you know they made it pretty clear 229 00:10:58,090 --> 00:11:00,930 that they that they were not going to charge me that just the 230 00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:06,210 way they they acted you know they they were very they said 231 00:11:06,210 --> 00:11:08,450 you know you can leave at any time. 232 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,560 You know they were just different things that they that 233 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:14,800 they said and and so they interviewed me. 234 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,640 They asked me about my my, my day there and and their their 235 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:26,080 focus was where who was planning this, who was coordinating this. 236 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,160 You know they they went on and on about that and I was just 237 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,120 going what we're just a bunch of patriots going to you know use 238 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:37,480 our free speech you know. And so, you know, at the end of 239 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,610 it, they they did ask me. If they could have my my video 240 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:46,930 coverage from that day and you know I said sure, you know they 241 00:11:46,970 --> 00:11:50,250 they've got it all anyway. I mean you know I'm not it's all 242 00:11:50,250 --> 00:11:53,770 been published. It's all out there. 243 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:58,650 And they they they said is there anything incriminating? 244 00:11:58,690 --> 00:12:01,010 And my attorney said, well I've watched it twice and unless 245 00:12:01,010 --> 00:12:04,370 you're going to try to arrest the you know 200 people who who 246 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:09,080 breached the the. The bike racks at the bottom of 247 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,360 the scaffolding there and a little did we know that yes 248 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,240 indeed they would like to arrest the 200 people that breached 249 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,640 that. Was that shocking when you 250 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,640 started finding that out? When I found what out that they 251 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,440 were gonna go after the people on the bike racks. 252 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Right. I mean, yeah, I mean, cuz they 253 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,200 keep telling us we're still going after 1500 more. 254 00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:34,710 And and I said you know I I there is some incriminating 255 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:37,030 stuff in there. I said I've got video of the the 256 00:12:37,030 --> 00:12:40,350 police officers opening the scaffolding door talking to us 257 00:12:40,350 --> 00:12:42,470 and letting us all in. You know that's that's 258 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:47,750 incriminating you want that. So you know they they've never 259 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:51,990 they've never gone into charge me thankfully but you know I I 260 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:55,830 feel their presence I I you know I know they're listening to me 261 00:12:55,830 --> 00:12:59,310 and and in fact my my interviews I've I've interviewed. 262 00:13:00,670 --> 00:13:04,350 Since then you know I've gone on to cover as a as a podcaster my 263 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:10,990 my whole focus has been January 6th completely for the past year 264 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:15,270 and before that I was, you know it was mostly January 6th. 265 00:13:16,070 --> 00:13:20,870 So you know I've I, I've gotten to know a lot of these people. 266 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:24,590 A lot of these families. And and it it's pretty much been 267 00:13:24,590 --> 00:13:29,670 my whole life, to be honest because you know I want to dig 268 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:31,310 into that and I want to understand a little bit more 269 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:32,950 about that. So I put my toe in the water 270 00:13:32,950 --> 00:13:35,390 because somebody asked me if I would interview the the five 271 00:13:35,390 --> 00:13:36,470 Proud Boys who were just sentenced. 272 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:37,630 And if the answers of course, yes. 273 00:13:37,630 --> 00:13:39,790 I'm happy to take that phone call and do that interview and 274 00:13:39,790 --> 00:13:42,270 we did. And the amount of online hate 275 00:13:42,270 --> 00:13:44,270 and vitriol that's happened particularly on Twitter, that's 276 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:46,590 the biggest place for it. But also even on true social, 277 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:48,550 which is the 2 platforms I use the most. 278 00:13:49,270 --> 00:13:50,990 It's it's pretty astounding actually. 279 00:13:51,190 --> 00:13:54,830 And it's it's kind of, it's kind of disgusting that the America 280 00:13:54,830 --> 00:13:56,870 has got to the point where people are so mad about 281 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:57,870 something that didn't affect them. 282 00:13:58,220 --> 00:14:00,900 What do you think the the emotional trigger is for people 283 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:05,500 that are mad about, mad at and about the J6 defendants? 284 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:10,060 Donald Trump, it's it's it's connection to Donald Trump. 285 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:14,500 It's just that irrationality. Yeah, yeah, I really think it 286 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:16,620 is. It's it's the the Trump 287 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:19,420 Derangement Syndrome and it and it carries over into anything 288 00:14:19,420 --> 00:14:21,740 that the media tells them is connected to Donald Trump. 289 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:28,020 How how do people get so crazy about Donald Trump? 290 00:14:28,980 --> 00:14:31,140 You've been you've been watching this the same way I did. 291 00:14:31,420 --> 00:14:33,620 Did you have any sense that, like when he even when he was 292 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:35,900 running, could you have ever imagined how mad people would be 293 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:39,860 about this guy? No no I couldn't and and it's 294 00:14:39,860 --> 00:14:44,700 just it's it's fed by the media I mean you know they they're 295 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:47,420 they don't like their feelers getting hurt and and he says 296 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:50,530 mean things and. And they're told that he's a 297 00:14:50,570 --> 00:14:53,730 really, really bad guy. And they eat it up, They believe 298 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:54,850 it. They wanna have some anger 299 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:57,050 somewhere, so that's where they direct it. 300 00:14:57,130 --> 00:15:01,530 And then we're the maggots and they gotta go after us as well. 301 00:15:01,530 --> 00:15:05,730 And it's just it's so hard to watch, Yeah. 302 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:09,450 How do you deal with that? I tried it. 303 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:13,890 I tried to just ignore it once in a while, I get sucked in and 304 00:15:14,650 --> 00:15:17,590 I actually. Start conversing with these 305 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:19,630 people online. Then I'm like, what am I doing? 306 00:15:19,870 --> 00:15:24,950 There's no reason for this. This is just it's pointless and 307 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:27,070 it does nothing. It does nothing to move anything 308 00:15:27,070 --> 00:15:29,870 forward in the right direction. It's certainly not productive 309 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:32,550 conversation. It is monetized engagement in my 310 00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:33,830 case. So I just sort of mute them and 311 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:35,670 let them tire themselves out, I guess. 312 00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:41,500 But it's really wild how just vile people will be. 313 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:42,540 There's a guy out there right now. 314 00:15:42,540 --> 00:15:44,980 This is kind of unrelated, but it's fun for conversation. 315 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,620 That is accusing me. And I put accusing in air 316 00:15:47,620 --> 00:15:49,220 quotes. He's accusing me of being a 317 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:51,060 trucker. I don't. 318 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:52,340 I don't know what the allegation means. 319 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:55,420 Like, I don't know why that's an allegation for anybody but he 320 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:57,820 accused me of being a trucker and being sad. 321 00:15:58,220 --> 00:16:00,420 And I was like, yeah, it'd be cool if you could do it like a 322 00:16:00,420 --> 00:16:02,020 podcast from a truck. I would do that. 323 00:16:02,020 --> 00:16:04,460 That would be really fun. But I do a podcast from a 324 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:06,580 hardwired location with a studio every day. 325 00:16:06,860 --> 00:16:08,100 I don't know what you're talking about. 326 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:11,540 It's it's it's so strange. But they just get out there in 327 00:16:11,540 --> 00:16:12,700 the world. They they've created these 328 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:16,060 fantasy, you know, threats and you're one of them and I'm one 329 00:16:16,060 --> 00:16:17,020 of them. And then they they get really 330 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:19,300 mad about it's so strange it's it's just a weird time to be 331 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:21,460 alive. Let's talk about as you've 332 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:24,820 started digging into this this animal of January 6 as you and 333 00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:28,180 and our our mutual friend Sean. I think we're, I think you're, 334 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:32,660 you know, Sean, he, he said. You've interviewed more J Sixers 335 00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:34,820 than anybody except the FBI. Does that sound true? 336 00:16:36,020 --> 00:16:40,300 That that is true, I believe so. And maybe more than the FBI, 337 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:41,980 because the FBI doesn't interview some people. 338 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:43,420 They just knocked down their door at 6:00 AM. 339 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:49,700 Yes I I I agree I you know it's funny and and and continuing 340 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:53,260 actually in the in the line of of the trolls I I have these 341 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:56,500 people tell me that that I don't know what I'm talking about and 342 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:59,150 that they know. What January 6 really was about 343 00:16:59,470 --> 00:17:03,110 and and even when I say you know have you have you looked at my 344 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:07,990 profile do you do you realize that you know this is this is my 345 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:12,310 my line of expertise you know and not only from you know first 346 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:15,869 from being there myself but but from you know interviewing all 347 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:19,589 of these people and watching all of this video and you know just 348 00:17:19,589 --> 00:17:21,790 being connected to all the different people who are on the 349 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:23,190 front lines fighting for this and. 350 00:17:23,619 --> 00:17:26,060 And then and then they still think that that I don't know 351 00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:28,540 what I'm talking about. So then I just move along. 352 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:31,740 But it's it's kind of crazy. It really is. 353 00:17:32,060 --> 00:17:34,580 There's a so do you remember the concept of the Gnostics? 354 00:17:34,780 --> 00:17:38,140 You know, they were like a Christian sort of heretical sect 355 00:17:38,260 --> 00:17:41,620 early on in in the the church. They they had secret knowledge 356 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:43,060 that was sort of the the hallmark of it. 357 00:17:43,060 --> 00:17:45,460 There's a lot of Gnostics out there about January 6th. 358 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,980 They know more than you do, and they can't tell you why. 359 00:17:49,660 --> 00:17:52,140 No, no, they they can't. But but they know, but they know 360 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:56,300 that you're wrong. The the media told them and and 361 00:17:57,340 --> 00:17:59,140 they've got the secret, the secret CNN. 362 00:17:59,340 --> 00:18:01,740 Pass. Yes, yes. 363 00:18:01,780 --> 00:18:07,460 And and there's a, there is a video montage that the the 364 00:18:07,460 --> 00:18:10,820 government introduces this evidence into every single one 365 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:14,740 of these cases. And it's just all of the 366 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:17,860 violence on the West side of the Capitol. 367 00:18:18,460 --> 00:18:21,300 So even if people were on the east side. 368 00:18:21,710 --> 00:18:23,310 They were at the Columbus doors the whole time. 369 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:24,590 They never even went on the West side. 370 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:28,190 The government still enters this video montage of all the 371 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:31,230 violence on the West side of the Capitol and every single one of 372 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:34,590 these trials and you know it's it's just despicable. 373 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:39,670 But I think that that video is probably what they what they 374 00:18:39,670 --> 00:18:43,830 took and and gave to all the mainstream media on on January 375 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:49,910 6th and that they continued to to show on on loop, you know on. 376 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:55,050 On all of these, on all of these channels for weeks and and still 377 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:57,010 if they need to go to it, they'll go to it. 378 00:18:57,010 --> 00:19:01,130 But yeah, it it's crazy. It really is. 379 00:19:01,730 --> 00:19:03,570 For me, what's been really shocking is seeing the 380 00:19:03,570 --> 00:19:06,370 difference between what happened in DC and Portland and 381 00:19:06,370 --> 00:19:07,810 Minneapolis and many of the other cities. 382 00:19:07,810 --> 00:19:10,810 Dallas had some, I know Los Angeles had riots over George 383 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:12,930 Floyd, and some of them I was in, and some of them I just saw 384 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:15,250 on TV. But they were hundreds of angles 385 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:17,850 and, you know, thousands of random different people in it. 386 00:19:18,410 --> 00:19:20,570 And then they the fixation was never that. 387 00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:24,330 It was always the 2-3 hours that was rowdy outside the Capitol 388 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:26,050 where things, you know, it sounded like they got pretty 389 00:19:26,050 --> 00:19:29,810 hairy. But it wasn't for half the year. 390 00:19:29,810 --> 00:19:33,290 I don't know. It just yeah. 391 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:37,770 And and I mean you know I might go to is is just the the media 392 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:42,370 coverage of of the what went down in DC with the White House 393 00:19:42,410 --> 00:19:44,330 and all the burning that was going on. 394 00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:48,260 I mean that that was wild. So we don't hear anything about 395 00:19:48,260 --> 00:19:49,820 that. So you're in the Virginia area 396 00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:51,540 that that would have been local news for you, right? 397 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,540 Pretty much. What do you, what do you 398 00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:57,860 remember hearing about that going through in the summer of 399 00:19:57,860 --> 00:20:05,140 2000, of 2020? You know I'm not I'm an hour 400 00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:09,180 from from DC so it's not extremely local but I was living 401 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:14,100 in Manassas at the time and there was there was some riots 402 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:17,170 going on that they came to Manassas and and they were not 403 00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:20,650 far from from where I lived and and that was that was pretty 404 00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:25,130 scary actually that they brought it there and and they have you 405 00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:28,050 know and that's it's very political they have really tried 406 00:20:28,050 --> 00:20:33,690 hard to to turn Prince William County and Manassas blue and and 407 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:38,250 it happened quickly They there were literally billboards. 408 00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:43,290 151015 years ago down in Mexico there were literally billboards 409 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:46,100 that said come to Manassas and they were. 410 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:49,300 They were trying to bring as many into Manassas as they could 411 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:52,220 it. It got so bad that they had to 412 00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:57,860 try to change the zoning. They had houses that were being 413 00:20:57,980 --> 00:21:01,570 rented out room by room to to families. 414 00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:04,890 I I knew people who had their own children. 415 00:21:04,890 --> 00:21:07,770 I mean they were not they were not friends, but they you know, 416 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:10,610 they lived in the neighborhood and and my kids knew their kids 417 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:13,730 who these kids didn't even have a bedroom of their own because 418 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:17,290 their families were renting these rooms out to make money to 419 00:21:17,290 --> 00:21:20,970 all of these Hispanic families that had come in across the 420 00:21:20,970 --> 00:21:23,810 border. So you know they they ended up 421 00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:28,160 being successful and pretty much turning Manassas blue which is 422 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:34,120 pretty crazy because Manassas is a it's a got a huge Catholic 423 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,880 conservative Catholic population that lives there. 424 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,840 Very devout Catholics and and and to be able to to bring in 425 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:47,840 all of this. I don't know just a a wave of 426 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,880 Democrats basically to to change the politics there. 427 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,430 It's it's it's really unbelievable that this can 428 00:21:56,430 --> 00:21:58,670 happen so quickly, but it but it did so. 429 00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:01,870 I did a lot of surveillance cases in Woodbridge, I did a lot 430 00:22:01,870 --> 00:22:04,390 of them in Manassas. We were all in and around that 431 00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:08,150 area. There's a lot of PW County that 432 00:22:08,150 --> 00:22:11,270 we are we are dealing with. So pretty, pretty pretty 433 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:13,470 familiar stomping grounds for me and and they definitely did 434 00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:14,870 that. There was a lot of MS-13, 435 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:16,550 there's a lot of fentanyl and all these kind of things that 436 00:22:16,550 --> 00:22:18,670 were going on from the time that I started doing that. 437 00:22:19,710 --> 00:22:23,110 Very bizarre and and once again contrasted with what happened on 438 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:26,530 January 6th, as you know. The threat to our democracy, 439 00:22:26,530 --> 00:22:31,210 which I cannot handle, the the, the democracy over and over 440 00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:35,130 again, it's just it's so hard. It is, it's hard. 441 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:38,090 It's really hard to hear. Okay, so as you've been covering 442 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:42,450 January 6th, are there different baskets of types of people that 443 00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:44,370 are that are involved in this? Are there different kinds of 444 00:22:44,370 --> 00:22:47,970 human beings that were wrapped up in the the FBI arrests and 445 00:22:47,970 --> 00:22:49,330 and and the sort of the Google treatment? 446 00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:54,340 Absolutely, absolutely. And I'll tell you, you know, I, 447 00:22:54,340 --> 00:23:00,340 I went in this just with the with the whole feeling of, oh, 448 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:03,300 you know, all of these people are are innocent victims. 449 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,660 And then this is so terrible. I can't believe this is 450 00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:10,300 happening. And you know it's it's actually 451 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:14,100 a really good thing that we have this, this January 6th community 452 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:16,780 where we've got all of these different peoples and all all 453 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:18,900 of, I mean all these different organizations, all of these 454 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:24,130 different family members, just people that are advocating and 455 00:23:24,130 --> 00:23:29,770 and working on the front lines to really get a better feel for 456 00:23:29,770 --> 00:23:33,810 for what's going on. And so you you brought up the, 457 00:23:33,850 --> 00:23:40,890 the article I did about Ryan Samsa and you know that that was 458 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:42,930 a really hard, that was a really tough one because I've been 459 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:45,450 advocating for this guy for a year and a half. 460 00:23:46,170 --> 00:23:49,720 And you know, he, he had a pretty big story. 461 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:57,280 He started off in the the DC gulag, the DC jail and you know 462 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,520 suffered some pretty severe injuries apparently at the hands 463 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:07,120 of the guards there. And they moved him out and then 464 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:13,280 he ended up in in well, I can't remember if he went directly to 465 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,270 Northern Neck Regional Jail which is in Warsaw, VA or if he 466 00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:21,830 went anywhere else before he got there. 467 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:27,790 But he supposedly was strapped into a chair there and and 468 00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:33,470 viciously beaten a couple of times there as well and and then 469 00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:38,950 they they moved him to Philly and it's when she was in Philly 470 00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:44,350 is where I ended up hearing about him through a letter that 471 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:52,180 a woman who is a, she's a widow farmer in Kansas. 472 00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:57,820 How did she connect to that? She was writing to all of these 473 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,420 people. Is this the Patriot Mail Project 474 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,860 or something to that effect? That was, yeah. 475 00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:07,060 So Patriot Mail Project connects people so that they can write 476 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:08,900 letters to all of the defendants. 477 00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:14,900 And he received a letter from Ryan and she got in touch with 478 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:20,780 us and and I eventually ended up getting in touch with Ryan and 479 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:23,620 and I've been advocating for him for for about the past year and 480 00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:29,060 a half putting out his his Gibson go getting people as he 481 00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:32,500 requested to write to his judge and and request this medical 482 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,500 attention that that he says he needs desperately that he's not 483 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:42,830 getting. And so we've learned a lot about 484 00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:46,150 prisons through this too. So if these guys when they're 485 00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:48,990 when they're not in the DC jail when they're in you know Bureau 486 00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:52,310 of Prisons jails other and and other locations. 487 00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:56,510 You know they they're just part of the general population there. 488 00:25:56,950 --> 00:26:02,670 And one of the things that is a is a little a racket. 489 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:04,710 You know, I mean, we're all aware of, you know, the drugs 490 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:08,270 being sold and all that sort of thing, but but cell phones are a 491 00:26:08,270 --> 00:26:12,250 thing too. So I started getting phone calls 492 00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:18,690 and texts from from different phone numbers claiming to be 493 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:22,330 Ryan and and actually coming to be a couple of the other inmates 494 00:26:22,330 --> 00:26:24,090 too. And and I was like, what in the 495 00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:26,810 world is going on? What in the world is going on? 496 00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:34,970 Yeah so they they can get these cell phones and and and having 497 00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:37,450 talked to some of the other guys you know that I've been told 498 00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:42,980 that they sometimes they are brought in by drones and drops 499 00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:47,420 into the yard. Apparently there's big money in 500 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:49,300 that. You know you can get like 15 501 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:54,940 grand for for flying in you know a bunch of phones and drugs 502 00:26:55,020 --> 00:27:00,580 whatever to these prisons and it costs about two grands to get 503 00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:04,700 yourself a phone. But then of course, if your your 504 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:06,940 cell gets turned over by the guards, they're they're going to 505 00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:10,730 take that $2000 phone, so that's never good for them. 506 00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:14,450 Operational risk, but that's right, operational risk. 507 00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:18,450 But you can also just rent these phones by the hour. 508 00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:21,010 So that's what a lot of these guys do. 509 00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:25,250 And they would. I'd have them telling me, well, 510 00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:28,370 I get the phone every day at 2:00, so I can call you at 2:00 511 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:31,170 and. They're calling from their 512 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:35,570 cells, they're calling from their cells and their cell 513 00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:39,360 phones. And yeah, it's just, it's a 514 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,680 racket inside. This is this is what they do. 515 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,280 What do you, what do you, what do you think about that? 516 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,200 Like, it obviously gives you access to prisoners, which we 517 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,760 wouldn't have otherwise. There's something interesting 518 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520 about that. How do you, how do you square 519 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,320 all this kind of stuff? Because it's against policy for 520 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,720 sure. It might be against, it might be 521 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,480 against the federal law. Now that I think about it, I 522 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,480 haven't looked at the law, but I know there's certain things that 523 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,360 are listed as contraband. I know the drugs part are and 524 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:05,760 there's some other things that are contraband. 525 00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:10,850 Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's it's it's been 526 00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:14,250 great to be able to get these interviews and to to get more 527 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:15,890 information and you know, and then these. 528 00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:18,850 But then these guys, they have access to, to the Internet, 529 00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:22,490 which they normally don't, which is, which can be pretty scary 530 00:28:23,290 --> 00:28:26,090 because they could be doing a lot of nefarious things. 531 00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:35,010 I mean, yes, I don't know. I mean there's there's so much 532 00:28:35,290 --> 00:28:37,210 that they could do. I don't even know because I, I 533 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:40,730 don't live that kind of that kind of lifestyle. 534 00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:48,530 But you know, they could be, you know, creating roles. 535 00:28:48,530 --> 00:28:51,210 They could be becoming people online. 536 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:54,490 They, you know, I don't know, they could do a lot of things. 537 00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:58,130 They could generate social media we're talking about. 538 00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:00,690 They could be creating campaigns. 539 00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:03,770 They could be running disinformation or positive 540 00:29:03,770 --> 00:29:05,810 information about their case or something like that. 541 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:10,250 So there's, I mean it's they could harassing people that 542 00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,410 they're not allowed to be in touch with. 543 00:29:14,010 --> 00:29:15,530 I mean, there's just so many things. 544 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,460 Yeah those are I I mean we'd have to spend probably a whole 545 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:20,740 day sitting there and and scheming out on the on the pros 546 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:23,020 and cons list like you say that the Pro is you get to hear some 547 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,780 some direct first hand sourcing which is not always the case and 548 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:27,020 you don't have to go to the prison to do it. 549 00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:29,900 So that's great. But hey I I wonder what you're 550 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:32,380 involved in with that okay. So the basket, some of these 551 00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:35,220 people are obviously less reputable in in the the J6 552 00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:36,500 defending group. We're starting to see some of 553 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:37,980 that. When did you serve first? 554 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,500 Become aware of that Okay. So. 555 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,660 So you know, I started. There were some things along the 556 00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:47,200 way that I thought, you know, I'm not so sure this is 100%, 557 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720 but you know, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt 558 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,280 because I mean look what they're going through, look what they're 559 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,160 going through. But I mean, I mean the torture, 560 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:01,480 the abuse, just being locked up for so long, everything that's 561 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,960 going on. And so then I was, I was put in 562 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,800 touch with. So Ryan put me in touch with 563 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,410 with another inmate and he explained that that there was 564 00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:17,530 this story that you know this guy saved him because he he 565 00:30:17,530 --> 00:30:21,970 wasn't being taken care of and and this young black man because 566 00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:26,130 there's mostly a mostly black population and there Ryan's not 567 00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:29,530 black. And so to be accepted into this, 568 00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:34,970 you know, population and and everything to be cool and you 569 00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:39,010 know, he had to he had to have this guy on his side And the 570 00:30:39,010 --> 00:30:43,760 guy, you know, says he's you know, helps out Ryan and and 571 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,320 make sure he's safe in there. And then Ryan helps him out 572 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,760 because of some kind of issue he had. 573 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,920 And so you know he wants to put out this story. 574 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,560 He wants me to help get him and get the story out that you know 575 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,880 this this young black man inside he's pro trump too and and he 576 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,920 saved Ryan and what a great story this is. 577 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:11,220 And so he gets the kid on the phone with me and and and I say 578 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:14,500 kid this guy's I think he's like 20 years old and he's in there 579 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:22,780 kind of involvement in the George Floyd protest riots and. 580 00:31:22,780 --> 00:31:26,660 And so, you know, I I talked to this guy for a minute, but then 581 00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:30,980 he hangs up and then he calls back a little while later away 582 00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:33,460 from Ryan. And he's like, this is Ryan's 583 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:35,860 trying to get me to tell this story in a way that the story 584 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:39,510 didn't really happen. And I don't want to lie. 585 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:42,550 And so I'm. I'm not going to put the story 586 00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:44,790 out there that way. Ryan's putting this twist on it 587 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:48,230 to try to make money. So all of this is about a grift. 588 00:31:48,550 --> 00:31:51,230 So I mean, look at the look at the fact that a phone in there 589 00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:56,590 is 2 grand and these people are raising money saying, you know, 590 00:31:56,590 --> 00:31:59,630 help me, help me. I need it for my legal defense. 591 00:31:59,630 --> 00:32:04,570 I need it for my family at home. I need it for you know medical 592 00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:08,290 expense and and at one point he he tells the the audience, my 593 00:32:08,290 --> 00:32:14,090 audience that you know the judge has finally said that I can get 594 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:17,930 these these surgeries these medical appointments I need, but 595 00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:19,530 I'm going to have to pay for them myself. 596 00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:22,410 Well, that's that's not a. That's not a thing. 597 00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:25,610 No, that is not a thing. Once the Bureau of Prison owns 598 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:26,730 you, they're responsible as well. 599 00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:28,890 That's I mean, and so did you know that was BS? 600 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:32,490 Right away I thought that was a little strange. 601 00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:35,930 I I I I. What do you what do you do when 602 00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:37,890 you've got somebody that is lying to you and you're 603 00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:39,170 interviewing them on your podcast? 604 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:44,370 How does that work for you? You know I I'll tell you my my 605 00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:47,730 show, I've always said it's a it's a platform for their voices 606 00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:53,090 and and the way I look at it, regardless of of of how how 607 00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:58,570 large my audience is now, I I feel like what I'm doing is is a 608 00:32:58,930 --> 00:33:05,320 is an historical record of their truth because you know we know 609 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,960 there's there's your truth there's my truth and there's the 610 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,960 truth. And so, you know, there is, 611 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,320 there's a lot looking back that I now know is not true that 612 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,280 people have said in these interviews. 613 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,680 And I've actually had people come back to me and say, you 614 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,680 know, I I want to retract that. And I'm like, you know, I can't, 615 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,720 I can't retract it. It's the internet's out. 616 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,320 You know, it's forever. It's out there. 617 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,480 That's right. You want to come back? 618 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,920 Whether you're running for a Virginia State house and you put 619 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920 a pornography or you say something on a podcast, they 620 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,320 stay out there forever. Exactly, exactly. 621 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,360 So you know, I'm like, you can come back on and we can do 622 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040 another interview, but you can't. 623 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,600 I can't get rid of that. It's there. 624 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,840 But but yeah, so, you know, I've come to learn along the way. 625 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,010 That's and you know, I just say this is my platform is for your 626 00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:57,610 voices. So, So there are a lot of 627 00:33:57,610 --> 00:34:01,970 stories out there that probably aren't 100% true, but there are 628 00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:05,330 a lot of these defendants that I 100% trust. 629 00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:10,210 And I and I know they're good honest people, but there's 630 00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:13,130 there's some sketchy ones too. And you know, a lot of these 631 00:34:13,130 --> 00:34:17,570 people have pretty serious criminal backgrounds. 632 00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:22,010 You talk. About that a little bit. 633 00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:25,659 Or does that does that burn your credibility with the with their 634 00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:28,340 ability to come and talk to you? Well yeah. 635 00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:31,260 You know I'll just I'll just say that you know there's there's 636 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:36,139 men in the in the in the DCJ on the DC gulag who have who have 637 00:34:36,659 --> 00:34:42,580 felonies who who did 10 years in prison for for killing someone 638 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:49,219 for for having a meth lab. I I mean you know this is this 639 00:34:49,219 --> 00:34:54,340 is what we're dealing with here and and some of these people you 640 00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:59,420 know I I seriously doubt that they are the Christians that 641 00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:04,500 they pretend to be because that thing they they've created these 642 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:11,220 these these characters these roles of I am Uber patriot, Uber 643 00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:16,460 Christian guy and you know they've they may be very 644 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:21,990 charismatic and that is why people listen to them and so 645 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:25,030 they just continue to play these roles because it brings in money 646 00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:33,110 and it it makes them popular. I guess is it a lot of money? 647 00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:38,550 For some of these people, it is. For some of these people it is. 648 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,830 And I and I'll tell you I, you know, it was, it was a hard 649 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:44,910 decision for me to put this story out. 650 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:50,850 And and I did get some recoil from it because, you know, we're 651 00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:54,610 not supposed to talk bad about any J Sixers. 652 00:35:55,490 --> 00:36:00,410 But when we've got these these stories coming out that are so 653 00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:06,330 obviously BS, it makes us look really stupid to the left when 654 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:10,130 they're sitting there laughing at the picture of the guy in the 655 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:13,210 janitor's closet, like I did the minute I saw it. 656 00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:18,880 And we sit there and we say, oh, I can't believe this is America 657 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,800 with a K, you know? Yeah. 658 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,120 Will you, Will you show the picture real quick, Ryan, Again, 659 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,400 we've got to call this out. We've got to call this out 660 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,200 because if we're not, if we're not being honest on our own 661 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,880 side, who's going to believe us? So we've got a picture of a man. 662 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,680 I've got the picture up of Ryan that he released. 663 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,360 He's laying on a mat of some kind in a very, very small room 664 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,400 that's got a bucket and a drain, which is a janitor closet as you 665 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,760 described later on in your piece. 666 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200 He's pretty clean. He doesn't seem to have any 667 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,800 surgical scars on his face from where he supposedly left and 668 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,720 lost an eye, right. And then, well, the story 669 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040 changed with the eye because it started out he's blind, you 670 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,840 know, his eye, his eye was popped out of socket. 671 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,240 I mean it. This story's right. 672 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,880 And and at one point in interviewing Ryan I actually had 673 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,960 him say, well, I just, I really it's really something kind of 674 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,840 detached like in my brain with my eye. 675 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,040 I I really just need this little surgery. 676 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,440 I I just can't see very well. They can just put the optic 677 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,440 nerve back together. That's fine. 678 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,240 There's no big deal there, yeah. So when you start getting these 679 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,960 stories that that picture right away for me triggered a bunch of 680 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,800 questions. It's like #1 if you've ever seen 681 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,120 anybody who sits in the same room for a period of time, their 682 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,880 their pants are not clean. The story was that he was thrown 683 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,360 in naked, but he's wearing nude colored shorts, which looks like 684 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,760 he could have been in dive school with me. 685 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:43,830 We used to wear little, you know, khaki shorts like that. 686 00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:48,270 And then he he's just sitting there and so you who took the 687 00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:49,550 picture and who left the picture? 688 00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:52,310 And I thought that was real. I legit thought that was real. 689 00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:57,830 I just, I told Ryan this. I told Ryan, Mad of this, our 690 00:37:57,830 --> 00:37:59,710 producer, I said. I said when I saw that photo, I 691 00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:02,510 had all these questions because I'm naturally curious and I'm 692 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:03,990 actually, I'm naturally just a skeptic. 693 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,880 That's that's what makes you an investigator. 694 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,000 And you had the same thing. So you start digging into this, 695 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080 obviously found out the guys getting put up to a story. 696 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,280 What's the real story with what's going on in that photo, 697 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,600 if you understand it okay well. So you know, I I, I do believe 698 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,160 that that maybe something went on in Philly when they had him 699 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,880 locked up there. And I think it's important to 700 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:31,560 say that this is the guy who was at the initial breach at the 701 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,300 bottom of the stairs of the Capitol who was wearing a red 702 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,820 mag of hats. And Ray Epps comes over and 703 00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:42,620 whispers to him and Ryan turns his red cap around, Which to a 704 00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:45,740 lot of people, you know, because we were, we were told, you know, 705 00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:49,340 antifa's going to be wearing mag of hats backwards. 706 00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:52,900 So immediately people think, you know, oh, that must mean he's 707 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:56,980 Antifa. Could be, but I don't think 708 00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:58,100 that's why he turned the hat around. 709 00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,740 But it could have also just been like a like a over the top fan 710 00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:02,340 of Sly Stallone. And he just knew that was like 711 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,460 flipping the switch, right. Well, I'll tell you, this is the 712 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,380 this is the guy who grew up in the streets of Philly. 713 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:12,060 He's he's big into street fighting and you know he's 714 00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:15,220 anyway that that's kind of the kind of guy he is. 715 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:22,220 So if you watch the, you can see he's getting all wired up. 716 00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:25,980 He's ready to go kick some butt and and so that was just one of 717 00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:28,460 those moves where he's like, I got to turn the hat around so I 718 00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:30,180 can see better because I'm about to go. 719 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080 I'm going to have to go beat the shit out of these police 720 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,160 officers. Okay, There goes the jacket. 721 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,400 That's step one. Hats on. 722 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,440 Now we're in business mode. Ray Epps is going to tell him 723 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,880 something and he says he says okay. 724 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,000 Now we all have to get inside the Capitol building, otherwise 725 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520 I'm not going to get paid by DHS or whatever, he says. 726 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,320 Right. Right. 727 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,840 Whatever. Whatever they've agreed on so. 728 00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:57,950 So he's not, he's not the guys that we're looking at that 729 00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:00,670 didn't ever touch the fence or out with a bullhorn saying don't 730 00:40:00,670 --> 00:40:02,710 go in there to trap or some of these other things. 731 00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:05,350 He's a different kind of guy. How many buckets of people I I I 732 00:40:05,350 --> 00:40:07,590 try to sort these people out in my head and kind of general 733 00:40:07,590 --> 00:40:09,590 camps. If he's the guy that showed up 734 00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:12,790 there to do to get wild and maybe that's it. 735 00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:14,670 And then now he's doing a prison grift. 736 00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:16,550 What are the other? What are the other camps look 737 00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:21,250 like? You mean just just other? 738 00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:23,770 Yeah, just broadly speaking across the spectrum of people 739 00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:27,330 who are in, in, in the January 6th debacle in jail, I mean from 740 00:40:27,330 --> 00:40:29,210 one end of the spectrum, what's it look like and what's the far 741 00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:31,050 end of the spectrum look like from left to right boundaries, 742 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:32,650 if you would. Yeah. 743 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:36,410 So, So yeah, I don't want to mischaracterize January 6th 744 00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:40,130 defendants at all because you know, in any group of people 745 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:44,210 you're going to have the bad actors for sure, 100% incredible 746 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:46,610 people. I mean, we've got Ronald Colt 747 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:51,220 Mcabee, who was a law enforcement officer, deputy 748 00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:55,500 sheriff, who was there in the tunnel where Roseanne Boylan was 749 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,620 murdered and he was trying to save her life. 750 00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:04,300 He was, you know, I believe he told the other officers there, 751 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,940 I'm police officer. He was trying to help her. 752 00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:11,660 He wanted to give her CPR and then let him and and I think, 753 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,840 you know, they even used some of that footage in the January 6th 754 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,400 committee. But they take the audio out so 755 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,080 you can't hear what he is saying. 756 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200 And this guy has been locked up since, you know since the 757 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,400 beginning pretty much. And his wife's been out here. 758 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,880 Sarah has been out here just fighting for him. 759 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,120 It's it's crazy. It it really is because I, you 760 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120 know, I really think that he is one of the really good ones. 761 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,160 That's my sense as well, just the things that I've read and 762 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,560 the fact that we've dealt with Sarah a little bit. 763 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:45,410 It it would be really, really hard to imagine of of another 764 00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:47,530 police officer of any kind somebody in actual in law 765 00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:50,850 enforcement go out and then say I'm going to condone violence 766 00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:53,210 against law enforcement officers because of a political thing 767 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:54,930 that happened. I mean it that the line is not 768 00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:58,490 that flexible for any cop I've ever been. 769 00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:01,330 I've never thought of a cop that way and there probably are some 770 00:42:01,330 --> 00:42:03,410 out there that are garbage but it's just it's hard to imagine. 771 00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:06,450 So I, you know that's if that's one end of the spectrum what's 772 00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:11,450 the other end of the spectrum look like Well I mean that that 773 00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:14,330 that's that's the the good end of the spectrum and then the bad 774 00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:18,410 spectrum is is is Ryan Stanslow and the and the like you know so 775 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:23,210 we we've got you know we've got a lot of family family men who 776 00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:27,450 are locked up their their families have lost everything. 777 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:32,250 In a lot of these situations the wives end up leaving which is 778 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:35,410 which is very sad because and and I think in a lot of these 779 00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:37,690 cases it's because that they're they're not part of the 780 00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:42,100 community and I think that's where we've seen the suicides 781 00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,940 and and these other kind of situations are where the family 782 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:49,620 is, is not part of the January 6 community because no one can 783 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:53,460 understand what it's like to go through this except other 784 00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:57,060 January 6 families. So why I I think that's why it's 785 00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:01,180 so important for people to come in and and and become a part of 786 00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:03,630 the community. That makes a lot of sense. 787 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:06,110 I mean that's the same thing with the military families, if 788 00:43:06,110 --> 00:43:08,030 you think about it, if you're not connected to other Military 789 00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:10,350 Wives, if you're not connected to people that are on base and 790 00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:12,870 know what's going on and understand the needs and and 791 00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:16,110 then then you're screwed. You're going to be divorced and 792 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:17,350 go find somebody else to live with. 793 00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:19,990 But if you can have the support structure of community, then 794 00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:22,550 then you know that that's how it works and people get along and 795 00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:24,190 they they handle all kinds of difficulties. 796 00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:27,870 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so many of these are vets, 797 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:29,990 it seems like too. It seems like the vets have kind 798 00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:31,110 of know what the what the game is. 799 00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:35,510 Some of them do yeah absolutely we've we've we've definitely 800 00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:39,670 have a lot of veterans and some and some law enforcement 801 00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:42,030 officers. I mean it's it's heavy on that 802 00:43:42,030 --> 00:43:43,790 end for the arrests. It really is. 803 00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:48,350 What do you think the overall game is that is being played? 804 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:52,150 But you dealt with the FBIA little bit, you've dealt with 805 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:54,430 the justice system, you've covered a lot of these trials. 806 00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:56,670 Like what? What's the end goal here? 807 00:44:00,130 --> 00:44:02,650 What's the angle? I think the government's angle 808 00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:08,930 is, is to promote as much fear as possible and and this runs 809 00:44:09,490 --> 00:44:15,050 not only on you know on the prosecution side but but I'm I'm 810 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:17,330 you know you see it in the courtroom from the judges as 811 00:44:17,330 --> 00:44:24,090 well Judge Kelly went on and on in these proud boy sentencings 812 00:44:24,090 --> 00:44:31,630 about about protecting the government which you know I I 813 00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:33,510 couldn't even believe I was hearing that in the courtroom 814 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:37,270 protect. What does that even mean 815 00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:39,990 exactly? I mean what about we the people, 816 00:44:40,830 --> 00:44:47,110 it's just insane and and that's you know that we had to to set 817 00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:50,750 an example, had to set an example so that people wouldn't 818 00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:54,190 do this again. So I think that's what it's all 819 00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:57,300 about and if you just if you look back at history I mean this 820 00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:59,500 is what they do. I mean it's the the political 821 00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:03,420 weaponization they start putting their their their enemies in 822 00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:07,580 jail and then scaring everybody and you know they they don't 823 00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:15,500 want us to to protest so they've they've been quite effective in 824 00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:18,660 that it's I'll tell you it's hard to get people to to show up 825 00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:22,740 for a rally or protest anymore. People are scared to death they 826 00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:28,270 they definitely don't want to do it in DC but you know it's it's 827 00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:34,030 crazy So they as I I kind of got off the track at one point but I 828 00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:40,310 but I was starting to tell you the story of you know I've done 829 00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:43,910 all these interviews and so my my my podcast is in everybody's 830 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:46,230 discovery. Oh yeah that's fun. 831 00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:48,550 Yeah. Yeah it's great. 832 00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:54,120 So I was I was in a trial about 3 weeks ago and he was at lunch 833 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,400 break on the first day and I was. 834 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,880 I was at the Bank of elevators in the in the courtroom going 835 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,640 down for lunch and and the prosecution team walks up behind 836 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,360 me and the prosecutor, I suddenly hear his voice. 837 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,080 He says it's great to see you in person for the first time, Ms. 838 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,040 Holly. That's weird. 839 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,320 Are you kidding me? That's bizarre. 840 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,160 Yeah. How many hours have they been 841 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,440 pouring over your podcast looking for incriminating 842 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,700 evidence? Exactly and. 843 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:25,660 That one sound bite that they're going to play out of context or 844 00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:28,420 whatever it is they do, Yeah, yeah. 845 00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:31,300 And they were messing with me in that trial too, because they 846 00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:34,700 didn't actually end up using any of my my stuff. 847 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:37,940 But on one of the slides they kept showing up in the top 848 00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:41,420 corner is a little tab open. That's that's the name of my 849 00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:44,340 podcast. Right now, tell people what the 850 00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:46,060 name of your podcast is, because they're going to be curious. 851 00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:47,020 They're going to want to go see that. 852 00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:48,660 And I looked at it last night a little bit. 853 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:53,010 Justice in Jeopardy is my January 6th podcast. 854 00:46:54,250 --> 00:47:02,010 My I'm Sovereign Souls Media. And so my my website is Saab 855 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:05,050 Souls dot us. And that's where you can find 856 00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:05,930 all my work. But. 857 00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:09,090 I've got your sub stack in the in the show notes so people can 858 00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:11,810 click on that and on the top tab of the sub stack, the main home 859 00:47:11,810 --> 00:47:13,530 page, there's all the links. It looks like if you hit the 860 00:47:13,610 --> 00:47:17,170 website and so on, it should pull those things up I think. 861 00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:20,090 Great. I I I went and played with it 862 00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:22,410 yesterday so soft souls there that's got your Twitter it's got 863 00:47:22,410 --> 00:47:24,290 the the website the YouTube thing and then there's also a 864 00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:27,450 list of of of recent interviews and whatnot. 865 00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:29,770 So folks if you want to see that that's at least one central 866 00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:31,090 thing. I always find that if we try to 867 00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:34,050 do you know 10 or 12 different links because I know a lot of us 868 00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:36,970 are are out there in different places it's it's just one link 869 00:47:36,970 --> 00:47:38,650 will drive to all the other links So if you're if you're 870 00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:40,810 curious it's not going to be very hard for you people know 871 00:47:40,810 --> 00:47:43,090 how to use the Internet. I think I trust my audience with 872 00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:45,480 laugh. Go to my website you can pretty 873 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,960 much find links to find me everywhere and and now and and 874 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:55,400 since since 1776 returns was started that's that's also where 875 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,920 where I write articles. So definitely def back out 1776 876 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,800 returns.com. Yeah, some pretty wild stuff on 877 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,560 there. And is that, is that Sean? 878 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,560 Is that Sean Witsman's thing? He's doing it full time. 879 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,470 That's what he's launched up on, Yes, Yes. 880 00:48:11,470 --> 00:48:13,950 So. So he launched that and Ashton 881 00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:16,030 Ritchie and I are are his main 2 writers. 882 00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:19,710 But yeah, Sean Sean's an incredible journalist. 883 00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:22,190 He's he's got a great sense of humor. 884 00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:24,870 He really does. He's really, he's the kind of 885 00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:26,590 guy that would have made it in my friend group. 886 00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:28,670 I always have like a couple different types of friends. 887 00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:30,830 You know, some friends are like drinking a beer and some friends 888 00:48:30,830 --> 00:48:34,510 are like taking a shot and and he's like he's like drinking a 889 00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:36,750 mixed drink. He's strong, but he's got a lot 890 00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:39,870 to say at the same time. And that's always really fun. 891 00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:43,150 His humor is really dark, which matches my sort of look at the 892 00:48:43,150 --> 00:48:46,030 world. And he's very sarcastic and he's 893 00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:51,390 got all this kind of kind of just just wry wit maybe, I don't 894 00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:54,150 know, like folks, I deal with Sean, we we text back and forth 895 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:56,790 and everything we do it. It it's like texting where 896 00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:58,990 someone has deleted every every three lines. 897 00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:01,790 You know what I mean? Like he assumes that you know a 898 00:49:01,790 --> 00:49:03,750 couple of things and then he says something that didn't get 899 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:04,510 said. You know, you move. 900 00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:06,990 He jumps forward in the conversation and makes you put 901 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:09,430 the other stuff in your head. Sometimes it's it's it's clever. 902 00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:13,190 It's exactly, exactly, yeah. He's brilliant. 903 00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:16,870 He's a he's a great friend and and he does, I mean you, you've 904 00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:18,350 got it. You've got to understand that 905 00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:21,030 sense of humor to be friends with him, for sure. 906 00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:23,550 There's a movie called Ronan that I watched. 907 00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:24,830 I don't remember if you ever saw this. 908 00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:27,630 This is a Ronan was with Robert De Niro and. 909 00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:30,420 Sean Bean was in a couple other really good actors. 910 00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:33,780 European film it is. But I always told people it was 911 00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:35,940 like a regular action movie where they had really smart 912 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:38,020 writers and then they deleted every other line to make it 913 00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:39,380 really, really weird and interesting. 914 00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:42,380 And so somebody would be like, they were like, he's like, you 915 00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:44,660 ever kill anybody, you know? And then he's like, I heard 916 00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:45,900 someone's feelings once, you know? 917 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:49,230 It's just like, it's really cool guy talk. 918 00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:50,710 It's smart and it's it's interesting. 919 00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:52,630 And somebody would be like, he would be like we're in the 920 00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:54,870 military and he's like, no, I got this job to the New York 921 00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:58,910 Times and you're like, what? It's just it's clever. 922 00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:01,470 And it's like every time I read Shawn's text back and forth, 923 00:50:01,470 --> 00:50:04,190 that's what it looks like to me. It's just it's like I missed a 924 00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:05,750 line in there that he didn't, no, he didn't write it. 925 00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:07,750 He's just assuming that I know what was the next step. 926 00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:09,790 And then he went two steps further beyond that. 927 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:11,690 And some of his writing is that way too. 928 00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:13,250 And actually I saw some of that take. 929 00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:15,730 I actually thought that Sean wrote that that article that you 930 00:50:15,730 --> 00:50:16,970 did. And I was actually happy to see 931 00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:19,210 that that's what we were talking about here, cuz I thought he was 932 00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:20,770 setting somebody up. When we when we first did the 933 00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:21,890 interview, he said I should talk to you. 934 00:50:22,290 --> 00:50:23,570 And I was like, Oh no, we're going to. 935 00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:25,530 I don't really want to bring people on and hurt their 936 00:50:25,530 --> 00:50:27,570 feelings or expose them and you're the one who's really 937 00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:30,690 exposing things there. And so that's fantastic. 938 00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:32,890 I'm just, I'm psyched to talk to you and I think it's good. 939 00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:34,410 Can we? Yeah. 940 00:50:34,450 --> 00:50:38,890 Well, I I, I like to say that yet you know it like I said it 941 00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:41,970 was it was a very hard decision to to go ahead and put that 942 00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:46,490 story out because I knew I was going to get you know, it was 943 00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:47,890 not going to go over well with everybody. 944 00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:53,490 But I thought it, I thought it was important to do and and I, 945 00:50:53,490 --> 00:50:57,570 you know, I to be honest, I mean for people who are suggesting 946 00:50:57,570 --> 00:51:00,730 that that I somehow was doing it for my own benefit, it makes no 947 00:51:00,730 --> 00:51:05,070 sense because I had to eat crow to to put this out and say you 948 00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:07,590 know, I know you guys know I've been advocating hardcore for 949 00:51:07,590 --> 00:51:09,870 this guy for a year and a half. But but I was. 950 00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:14,870 I was deceived, you know, So you know, it doesn't benefit me in 951 00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:17,110 any way. But that is the mark of doing 952 00:51:17,110 --> 00:51:18,910 the right thing, right? I mean, that's the, that's the 953 00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:20,310 thing we're not seeing the government do. 954 00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:24,630 It turns out just no ability to take new facts and and and 955 00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:26,590 realize, oh, you know what? I thought it was this thing, but 956 00:51:26,590 --> 00:51:29,830 there's more to it. Yeah, they're willing to just 957 00:51:29,830 --> 00:51:32,950 cover up for each other. I see that too. 958 00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:34,830 I mean, it troubles me to no end. 959 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:37,390 As someone who worked in there, I feel like they're tarnishing 960 00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:39,870 credibility of people who actually did good work and now 961 00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:42,510 everything is suspect because it's really bad work. 962 00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:45,270 Exactly. Exactly. 963 00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:47,590 It should. This should actually. 964 00:51:47,710 --> 00:51:50,070 Stories like what you just did should actually make you more 965 00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:53,110 legitimate, even if it hurts feelings inside the camp. 966 00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:55,390 And it's one of the reasons why I like Sean when we talk, 967 00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:57,550 because he said I have a very nuanced view of things. 968 00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,000 There is no black and white in this. 969 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,880 There's some good guys, there's some bad guys, there's some sort 970 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,400 of good guys, there's some sort of bad guys that did some good 971 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,240 things. You know, like life is. 972 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,720 It's just not, it's not headlines. 973 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,640 We don't live in headline world. Yeah. 974 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,640 And I think so many people think that there's gonna be we're 975 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,760 gonna figure it out I I've got I've figured it out. 976 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,160 You know this this is what it was that day or this is what it 977 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,480 was. No, no. 978 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,250 This was just a a huge pot of of craziness. 979 00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:33,490 I mean we had so many different things going on, you know, so 980 00:52:33,490 --> 00:52:36,010 many different people coming from so many different angles. 981 00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:40,610 You know, we we had undercovers from from every single alphabet 982 00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:46,170 soup that you can imagine and and and we had government, you 983 00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:49,290 know, we had Pelosi doing stuff and Pence doing stuff. 984 00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:53,630 I mean I mean they were all involved and I see the same 985 00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:57,110 thing from from the defendants I I actually I work I I work for 986 00:52:57,110 --> 00:53:02,750 John Pierce law as well and and so I so I get to see a lot of 987 00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:06,550 this from from the inside from the from the legal side too and 988 00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:09,430 and all these defendants they they think they've found the 989 00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:12,870 magic bullet that's going to win their case you know and that 990 00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:18,030 there is going to be the one and it's not like that it it doesn't 991 00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:21,530 work that way at all. Everybody. 992 00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:23,530 I I call it like an idolatry almost. 993 00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:25,730 It's it's like one person is going to save US1. 994 00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:28,850 Narrative is going to be that's the the the threat of truth that 995 00:53:28,850 --> 00:53:30,890 weaves everything together. There's a movie. 996 00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:32,770 This is another movie I used to watch a lot of detective movies 997 00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:35,210 and one of them is called Daryl Zero or it's called 0 effect. 998 00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:37,650 It's about a guy named 00. Nobody knows it but it's it was 999 00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:41,170 the precursor to the show House House MD which is based on 1000 00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:45,370 Sherlock Holmes okay and and Ben Stiller is kind of the the 1001 00:53:45,370 --> 00:53:47,050 Watson character. He's the assistant and he's 1002 00:53:47,050 --> 00:53:49,290 yelling at Bill Pullman, who plays the main character. 1003 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:52,820 And he goes it's not a world of good guys and bad guys it's just 1004 00:53:52,820 --> 00:53:57,900 a bunch of guys and and I always hear that bouncing around in my 1005 00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:00,060 head when people tell me it's like I figured it out. 1006 00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:03,420 I've I've cracked the case. The case is not crackable 1007 00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:06,180 because it's not because you're because it's so many there's a 1008 00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:08,980 million cases and and and everybody had a different story 1009 00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:10,940 going in there And and I think that's what's really important 1010 00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:13,060 about what you've been revealing and and more importantly it's 1011 00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:16,220 what's important about the way that you're willing to to say 1012 00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,180 look this was a con and we can all be conned. 1013 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,840 I think that's really important for journalists too. 1014 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:23,840 Yeah. Yeah. 1015 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,800 And you know, I think it is important to to remember that 1016 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,800 when it comes down to it, we're talking about people whose 1017 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,840 constitutional rights have been infringed and and if we let this 1018 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,560 go on, you know, they they're coming for us all. 1019 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,940 I I've been saying that for the past two years and people don't 1020 00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:47,820 understand even if you're, even if you're you know you've got 1021 00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:50,900 terrible TDs and and and you just think it was an 1022 00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:54,420 insurrection, whatever. If you don't see that that this 1023 00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:57,100 is, that there's political weaponization going on and that 1024 00:54:57,100 --> 00:55:00,540 these people really are political hostages and that and 1025 00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:05,900 that Merrick Garland just, you know, it's crazy that he's still 1026 00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:09,260 going on with this almost three years later. 1027 00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:14,980 He's still doing this. You know, you're in for a world 1028 00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:18,940 of hurt going forward because you know, they they are. 1029 00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:21,740 They're coming for us all. There's an energy in this 1030 00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:25,540 country on both sides right now that is it's it's barely 1031 00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:28,660 bridled. So do you mind prognosticating a 1032 00:55:28,660 --> 00:55:29,780 little bit? I'm going to throw the scenario 1033 00:55:29,780 --> 00:55:31,740 out and you tell me how it how it ends because I think there's 1034 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,780 only a couple of ways as this thing goes in the next little 1035 00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:35,140 bit. One of them is that Trump runs 1036 00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:39,340 the primary and he doesn't win the the general. 1037 00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:46,150 How does that look in America? Well, I I'm afraid he's going 1038 00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:48,310 to. He's going to win from inside 1039 00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:51,630 prison. Certainly a possibility, but 1040 00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:57,510 real, Yeah, we're kind of going, but if he wins the primary and 1041 00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:04,030 doesn't win the general, then you know, I I don't know what 1042 00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:06,870 we're going to do. Can anybody on the on the 1043 00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:09,350 political right or the people that are in the the J6 camp can 1044 00:56:09,350 --> 00:56:14,940 they accept that that's a legitimate loss you think I 1045 00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:19,060 don't think most of America who plans to vote for Trump can will 1046 00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,340 consider that that that's even a possibility. 1047 00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:23,980 I I think at that point that you know I think we're going to have 1048 00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:27,140 some people who just who just give up and give in and they're 1049 00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:29,460 like okay. You know we completely lost our 1050 00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:31,700 country. There's nothing we can do And 1051 00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:35,340 then you know I'm not sure if we're going to have people who 1052 00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:38,740 go as far as taking to arms. I mean you know what what's this 1053 00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:40,340 going to look like? I I really don't know. 1054 00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:43,390 So then the next possibility is that he doesn't win the primary 1055 00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:44,590 and of course isn't in the general. 1056 00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:48,710 And then what? And. 1057 00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:51,150 That may because he's in a jail cell too. 1058 00:56:51,150 --> 00:56:52,950 I think that's the possibility that that happens. 1059 00:56:53,350 --> 00:56:55,630 Yeah. So I, you know, I I really think 1060 00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:59,510 if if we can't win in 2024 then then then I think we have lost 1061 00:56:59,510 --> 00:57:01,070 our country. I really do. 1062 00:57:02,030 --> 00:57:03,430 Okay. And then here's the thing that I 1063 00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:06,150 think is also troubling because I I look at all this stuff, I'm 1064 00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:09,600 not. A Trump guy, although he got my 1065 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,600 vote and the second time around for sure and you know he would 1066 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,040 get my vote out of anybody, is better than what we got going 1067 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,280 right now. He's just not somebody that I 1068 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,880 see is the solution to all these things. 1069 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,480 Mostly I just don't like really old people in office at this 1070 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,280 point, but we're in kind of this unusual circumstance. 1071 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,240 So imagine Trump wins the primary, wins the general. 1072 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,800 And what happens to this energy that has been steamrolling 1073 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,440 people from the other side and also the mechanisms of 1074 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,970 government that are part of it? Yeah, I'm not sure what's going 1075 00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:41,490 to happen with the other side if we go that direction because 1076 00:57:42,690 --> 00:57:45,170 they are, they are already so, so upset. 1077 00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:49,530 They're so triggered. They're so to have him back in 1078 00:57:49,530 --> 00:57:54,170 the office, which is, you know, you know, I think I think we do, 1079 00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:56,970 we do have selections, not elections. 1080 00:57:57,570 --> 00:58:02,130 And and I kind of feel like the powers that be are going to are 1081 00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:08,980 going to put in a Republican somehow. 1082 00:58:08,980 --> 00:58:12,140 I think that I think that's their plan and I think they're 1083 00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:14,700 kind of sticking different people in a little bit that I 1084 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:17,260 think they see that that this chances is not going to be the 1085 00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:21,620 one. So they they just keep trying 1086 00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:23,540 different people. You know, you'll have pins come 1087 00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:25,980 out and talk. I mean that's that's got to be 1088 00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:30,540 the biggest joke in the world. But Oh my gosh. 1089 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:39,500 And you know, so I I think that they are going to try to make it 1090 00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:41,140 go in that direction, but they're going to do everything 1091 00:58:41,140 --> 00:58:42,620 they can to make sure it's not Trump. 1092 00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:45,380 And and that's, you know, that's why they're, that's why they've 1093 00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:46,980 indicted them. That's why they're going after 1094 00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:49,300 him, because they're going to do everything they can to keep him 1095 00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:54,060 out of office. So I I just don't know. 1096 00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:56,940 It's just such a bizarre, volatile time. 1097 00:58:56,940 --> 00:59:01,180 And then, of course, my my buddies tell me that there's a 1098 00:59:01,180 --> 00:59:03,580 real possibility that we have no election at all. 1099 00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:06,550 That it just that they shut it down for some reason. 1100 00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:08,710 Yeah. Yeah. 1101 00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:13,430 Are people in the the JSIP JSIX camp talking about these 1102 00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:15,990 potential forks in the road in front of them and what that 1103 00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:20,430 might mean for them? No, I, you know, I don't know 1104 00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:24,110 that that we've we've had a lot of talk about that. 1105 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:27,630 But I think it's it's something that we do need to talk about 1106 00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:30,270 for sure. Because all those outcomes are 1107 00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:32,430 going to have, they're going to have big implications for all 1108 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:35,520 their cases. I think, yeah, that that's 1109 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,840 really I I think most people have have accepted the the 1110 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,440 reality that that's really the only way that that we're going 1111 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,760 to get these people out. You know, we, we know we can't 1112 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,480 win in the courtroom. And I I implore people to come 1113 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,760 sit in on these trials because these courtrooms are empty. 1114 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,640 I mean, even even for the Proud Boys, the the courtroom is not 1115 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,000 full. It's it's crazy. 1116 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,880 I mean these these are historical events. 1117 01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:07,940 And play a huge role in in what our future looks like and and 1118 01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:09,740 people are not. You know, all you have to do is 1119 01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:12,700 come to the courthouse, come on in there and listen because it 1120 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:15,420 it's crazy. I mean the the jury selection, 1121 01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:19,900 wow, that's that's crazy. I'll tell you one story. 1122 01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:23,980 I was sitting through a jury selection for that that went on 1123 01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:31,010 for a couple of days and you know it was it was 11 candidate 1124 01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:34,090 after another coming up to the stand and and the the judge 1125 01:00:34,090 --> 01:00:39,730 going through the the barge or the questioning you know they 1126 01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:43,850 would she would say you know did you live or work near the 1127 01:00:43,850 --> 01:00:47,170 capitol on on January 6th. And and most of them yes. 1128 01:00:47,410 --> 01:00:50,130 And these people all they all work for the government because 1129 01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:55,210 that's who lives in DC so we've got Homeland Security we we've 1130 01:00:55,290 --> 01:01:02,580 had a AJ6 federal prosecutor that they tried to sneak on but 1131 01:01:02,580 --> 01:01:04,660 anyway they they were coming up to the same one after another 1132 01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:08,340 and and they'll openly admit I I'm I'm far left-leaning 1133 01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:12,980 politically and and the judges get get so frustrated that they 1134 01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:16,360 can't find anybody that that might be suitable to sit on this 1135 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,360 jury so they start trying to talk him into it. 1136 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,800 You you can you can overlook that can't you. 1137 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,640 You can you can look beyond your political feelings and and can't 1138 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:25,400 you. You can. 1139 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:31,240 I know you can So so this was going on one after and and then 1140 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,920 and then A and they're and they're mostly like, you know 1141 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,840 you've got the the young white liberals and you've got the 1142 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,540 older white liberals. And then and then we had a a 1143 01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:44,780 woman come to the stand. She was a black woman I would 1144 01:01:44,780 --> 01:01:48,820 guess she was probably in her early 60s and and the judge says 1145 01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:52,580 you know did you live or or or work near the Capitol on January 1146 01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:55,380 6th. And and she says, she says, 1147 01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:59,820 well, yes, I I was there and the judge said what what were you 1148 01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:02,740 doing there? And she said, well, I was there 1149 01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:06,940 to use my free speech to protest against a stolen election. 1150 01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:17,060 The judge was just in shock, you know, so because they, she had 1151 01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:21,540 let so many other, you know, politically far leaning left 1152 01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:27,060 people on, she had to allow this woman to, to be on the jury. 1153 01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:29,500 But of course, the the government struck her down. 1154 01:02:29,540 --> 01:02:30,980 You know, I think that was their first strike. 1155 01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:32,260 Yeah. No, she's not. 1156 01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,620 But if she she exited the courtroom and she walked by us 1157 01:02:35,620 --> 01:02:39,580 in the gallery and we all said God bless you and and the 1158 01:02:39,740 --> 01:02:42,760 prosecutor, I mean if you use the word God in these 1159 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,520 courtrooms, they flip out and and we said it quietly just as 1160 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,320 she walked by us. But the the prosecutor is you 1161 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,400 know, oh your Honor, you know they're talking to the jury and 1162 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:59,040 so the the judge had to you know clear the rules that that we 1163 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,160 couldn't tamper with the with the jury. 1164 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,000 Yeah, stop tampering with the jury. 1165 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,160 With a basic blessing. That happens for everybody who 1166 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,120 sneezes in America. Even people that don't believe 1167 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,060 in God say that. Yeah. 1168 01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:14,820 Oh yeah. Yeah, we are. 1169 01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:18,220 So yeah, it's in these, in these trials. 1170 01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:20,940 And you know, I think everyone should do it. 1171 01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:24,620 Well, if you're in the area, definitely make a take a day. 1172 01:03:24,780 --> 01:03:27,580 It's a vacation that you will probably be able to see 1173 01:03:27,580 --> 01:03:30,140 something that you can tell your grandkids about, how strange it 1174 01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:33,140 is, I'm sure speaking about being in the courtroom, you were 1175 01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:35,300 in the courtroom yesterday with with Owen. 1176 01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:39,020 Is that is that true? I I was not in the courtroom. 1177 01:03:39,060 --> 01:03:43,780 I I arrived when he was done and he was outside giving a presser 1178 01:03:43,780 --> 01:03:45,260 right when I right when I walked up. 1179 01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:49,180 So I I'm going to put something out today that that's that I did 1180 01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:52,660 yesterday on that that was that was fantastic. 1181 01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:54,580 I mean he stood out there and talked to us for like an hour. 1182 01:03:56,100 --> 01:04:00,020 But you know, he said what I've been saying this whole time is 1183 01:04:00,020 --> 01:04:03,860 these are first amendments cases, every single one of them. 1184 01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:10,130 And his absolutely is because they have been listening to 1185 01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:14,530 everything he said for the past five years, every word that he 1186 01:04:14,530 --> 01:04:16,930 has said. And they, you know, he didn't 1187 01:04:16,930 --> 01:04:20,170 even go inside and they're giving him 60 days. 1188 01:04:20,170 --> 01:04:24,050 I mean, you know, he stood out there with Alex Jones, who was 1189 01:04:24,050 --> 01:04:27,090 doing the most, most of the talking, who was telling people 1190 01:04:27,090 --> 01:04:31,730 not to go inside. And they're, they're going after 1191 01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:33,450 him. They're going after him hard. 1192 01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:36,620 Did you hear what Alex was saying for all of it, or was 1193 01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:37,980 that anywhere near where you guys were at? 1194 01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:45,460 No, no, I was not near Alex Jones on that day, so I didn't 1195 01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:48,500 hear what he was saying. But from what I've heard, that's 1196 01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:50,860 what he was saying from other people who have listened to him. 1197 01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:54,380 He was telling people not to go inside. 1198 01:04:56,350 --> 01:04:58,030 Yeah, it's crazy. I I called Owen yesterday and 1199 01:04:58,030 --> 01:05:00,030 gave him my, you know, if there's anything we can do to 1200 01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:02,230 help him, I want to. I don't know what it'll be, but 1201 01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:04,950 it it is amazing to think that we are going to jail 1202 01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:06,350 journalists. And he would not be the first 1203 01:05:06,350 --> 01:05:09,270 one. I mean, obviously Sean went to, 1204 01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:12,910 you know, had to had to plead guilty and a lot of these guys 1205 01:05:12,910 --> 01:05:15,790 have have gone through, you know, people who were there for 1206 01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:17,830 professional purposes who did or didn't, you know, people who 1207 01:05:17,830 --> 01:05:19,430 didn't even into the building were getting hit with it. 1208 01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:22,470 And it seemed like Steve Baker's story to me. 1209 01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:24,110 I don't know. I'm sure you know of Steve 1210 01:05:24,110 --> 01:05:26,920 Baker. His story is it just depends on 1211 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,760 how you covered it. If you were if you put it out 1212 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,760 there and said the the terrible awful no good very bad Trump 1213 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,040 Republicans were there, then your story is okay and your 1214 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,800 coverage is fine and if you didn't then they come after you. 1215 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280 To me that's shocking that I I keep telling people this and 1216 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,720 it's the it's a sound bite but it it's it rings really true. 1217 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,080 The America that I grew up in would invade the America I live 1218 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,200 in. Like when? 1219 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,680 When did we flip over and become a tyrannical lunatic? 1220 01:05:54,210 --> 01:05:56,690 Fringe government that is acting like a Banana Republic when you 1221 01:05:56,690 --> 01:06:04,010 think that turnover was you know I I think COVID moved it along 1222 01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:08,770 pretty quickly to be honest. But but just even Trump coming 1223 01:06:08,770 --> 01:06:16,330 into office I I I think when when Hillary didn't win they 1224 01:06:16,330 --> 01:06:19,130 they started panicking and they're like let's let's turn 1225 01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:22,250 this up let's put the the pedal to the floor. 1226 01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:23,970 We got to, we got to move this forward. 1227 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,560 It's that may be the case. I think people that tell me 1228 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,120 about the FBI say 20/15/2016 was a breaking point and of course I 1229 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,000 came in at 2016. So what do I know? 1230 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,840 All all I knew was what was going on and they'd already 1231 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,520 they'd already decided to to surveil a presidential campaign 1232 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,040 and lie on a FISA application. So it's it's such a crazy 1233 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,120 thought coming up, you know respecting an organization, 1234 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,800 going to work for it, then getting inside of it and seeing 1235 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,880 it being the opposite. I want to ask one more question, 1236 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,720 so maybe kind of a tough one to to dig into. 1237 01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:55,700 Jake Lang has reached out to me in the same way that you were 1238 01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,140 talking about multiple different phone numbers, text messages 1239 01:06:58,140 --> 01:07:02,340 from not the same phone, and apparently does a podcast from 1240 01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:05,220 inside the DC jail. You have a read on what Jake 1241 01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:07,860 Lang's about that you're willing to talk to. 1242 01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:11,340 No comment. That makes as much sense as 1243 01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:12,700 anything else. I'll comment on it on my 1244 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:15,580 thoughts later then that'll be fine. 1245 01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:18,980 That's not, that's not my my concern, but I did, yeah, it 1246 01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:21,270 says what it is. All right, folks, I don't want 1247 01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:23,150 to dig any deeper and I definitely don't want to put you 1248 01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:24,910 in the hole with the people that you're reporting on. 1249 01:07:24,910 --> 01:07:28,030 If you have interest in people who are defending themselves 1250 01:07:28,030 --> 01:07:31,190 against J6 from the spectrum that goes from bad and nefarious 1251 01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:34,950 actors grifting a lot of money to people who are probably some 1252 01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:36,950 of the worst political prisoners in the United States at this 1253 01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:39,750 point, you can definitely check out Mel stuff. 1254 01:07:39,830 --> 01:07:43,230 And her things are are down. Her social and her website are 1255 01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:45,030 down in our show notes. I'm pointing down where you 1256 01:07:45,030 --> 01:07:46,190 can't see Mel, but that's what I'm doing. 1257 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,320 To where the show notes are, anything that you'd like to 1258 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,280 leave as a parting message for people as A and do you have any 1259 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,200 hope that you've seen coming out of any of this? 1260 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,840 I think one of the biggest struggles we have is being able 1261 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,120 to fund this. The left just seems to have as 1262 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:10,380 much money as they need. You know, as we saw when they 1263 01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:13,820 were, when they were bailing people out who were who were 1264 01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:16,580 just getting, you know a slap on the wrist and a $50 ticket. 1265 01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:24,859 But these these these cases are not they're not easy to to fight 1266 01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:29,300 and and they take a lot of time and and we've got quite a few 1267 01:08:29,540 --> 01:08:34,420 not as many as we need attorneys who are really fighting hard and 1268 01:08:34,420 --> 01:08:38,130 who are doing this for you know pretty much nothing I mean 1269 01:08:39,450 --> 01:08:43,729 barely barely getting by you know taking on so many cases and 1270 01:08:44,529 --> 01:08:48,370 we really do need help on that end to to fight these in the 1271 01:08:48,370 --> 01:08:50,850 courtroom because because even if even if we're not going to 1272 01:08:50,850 --> 01:08:55,090 win these you know cases that we've got right now we I think 1273 01:08:55,090 --> 01:09:00,450 we have a really good chance of of winning them in appeals and 1274 01:09:00,450 --> 01:09:02,250 some of these are going to have to go all the way to the Supreme 1275 01:09:02,250 --> 01:09:05,850 Court. So you know please do donate to 1276 01:09:05,850 --> 01:09:12,100 help these these these attorneys these these law firms and and 1277 01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:18,819 you can either go to directly to their Gibson goes and you can 1278 01:09:18,939 --> 01:09:23,819 you can find links to those. There should be a link on my 1279 01:09:23,819 --> 01:09:27,899 website I think to to where you can find some of those but just 1280 01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:31,340 go to Gibson go and and search for it for January 6th or if you 1281 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,880 you know if you watch my episodes I always link their 1282 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,200 gives and goes and these are to to help their their legal funds 1283 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,600 and and as well I mean these people they're they're losing 1284 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,800 everything they they're having a hard time just keeping you know 1285 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,080 a roof over their heads for their families back home and and 1286 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:53,319 food in the pantry and you can also go to nclu.org and you can 1287 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:59,160 you can give their directly to to the John Pierce law fund to 1288 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:05,230 to help us keep this going. So make sure I gave that right. 1289 01:10:05,230 --> 01:10:13,030 I think it's done NCLU. You said nclu.org, nclu.org. 1290 01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:16,470 So, kind of like ACLU, but not, yeah, NCLU. 1291 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:19,950 But not, not interested in left wing fascism. 1292 01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:22,990 Exactly, exactly or whatever it is. 1293 01:10:22,990 --> 01:10:27,470 They are the national the law union, national constitutional 1294 01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:30,570 law union. Okay, Yeah, Just get involved, 1295 01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:34,010 get involved. I mean, because like I like I 1296 01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:35,290 said, they're, they're coming for us all. 1297 01:10:35,290 --> 01:10:38,290 So if if we're not fighting for these people, you know, it's 1298 01:10:38,770 --> 01:10:41,250 it's going to be hard in the long run. 1299 01:10:41,770 --> 01:10:44,490 It is going to be hard I think either way, but I appreciate 1300 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:45,610 that you're out there reporting on it. 1301 01:10:45,690 --> 01:10:48,610 I appreciate that you joined us this morning to speak with us 1302 01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:50,490 and sorry we had some tech difficulties but I'm glad we 1303 01:10:50,490 --> 01:10:52,530 worked out. I like this phone option too as 1304 01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:54,530 a backup. This is the audio is great and I 1305 01:10:54,530 --> 01:10:56,850 think people can can walk away and hear exactly what you had to 1306 01:10:56,850 --> 01:10:59,620 say and. You know, I could do it that way 1307 01:10:59,620 --> 01:11:01,540 too. In fact, I I'm not always sure 1308 01:11:01,540 --> 01:11:03,660 why I have to have a video podcast, but it is a thing out 1309 01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:05,500 there and it definitely gives us access to RUBBLE. 1310 01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:08,940 So thanks for joining us people. You can support Mel. 1311 01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:13,300 And yeah, thanks for all you do and and and thanks for doing the 1312 01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:16,380 right thing. And I I really appreciate you 1313 01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:17,980 having me on. It's it's quite an honor, Kyle. 1314 01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:19,940 Well, it's my pleasure. Thanks for thanks for making the 1315 01:11:19,940 --> 01:11:22,020 time. We will have more guests like 1316 01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:23,140 this. Folks, if you liked what you 1317 01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:25,180 heard, by all means share this stuff. 1318 01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:27,100 Make sure you are liking it on Rumble. 1319 01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:29,770 That is my new job. I say things like that instead 1320 01:11:29,770 --> 01:11:32,050 of telling people that I come from the FBI. 1321 01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:34,170 It's kind of a weird world that I live in here, but we do stream 1322 01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:38,130 the show live from Liberty Hill, TX at 9:30 Eastern Time, 8:30 1323 01:11:38,210 --> 01:11:40,090 Central. It is a live show, so sometimes 1324 01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:42,810 it has all the fun of a live show, which is to say connection 1325 01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:44,290 issues. Thanks for sticking around for 1326 01:11:44,290 --> 01:11:47,770 all of that folks. You can follow me on on Twitter 1327 01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:51,140 at Kyle Serafin or. You can go to the link in our 1328 01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:54,140 description and leave us a 5 star review on Apple, and we 1329 01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:55,740 really appreciate when you guys do. 1330 01:11:56,220 --> 01:12:01,660 This one's review comes in from Kay Mage saying Awesome patriot 1331 01:12:01,660 --> 01:12:03,420 Five star. Kyle, thank you for all you're 1332 01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:06,100 doing to point out the false idols of this world and help 1333 01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:09,820 redirect us to the truth. We all need to educate our 1334 01:12:09,820 --> 01:12:12,900 friends who are lost in the world and to see the bigger 1335 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:15,670 meanings of life. And community based in God. 1336 01:12:15,670 --> 01:12:18,430 Well, I 100% agree with that and I am very grateful that you 1337 01:12:18,430 --> 01:12:21,670 liked our idolatry episode. It's it's something we should 1338 01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:24,070 all be real cautious of. And people like Gerritel Boyle 1339 01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:26,870 have been out there keeping me honest and aware and paying 1340 01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:30,030 attention to the biblical significance of the spiritual 1341 01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:31,150 battle that I think we're all in. 1342 01:12:31,150 --> 01:12:33,910 And people like Mel Halle, my guest today, are in that 1343 01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:35,350 spiritual battle. They're out there trying to give 1344 01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:36,870 you the truth. You got to figure it out for 1345 01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:38,310 yourself. You got to go out there and read 1346 01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:41,230 and listen to what what is being said and make some good 1347 01:12:41,230 --> 01:12:42,750 discerning things and pray about him for sure. 1348 01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:46,290 Folks, you can follow this show on the the video channel which 1349 01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:49,290 is rumble.com/kyle Serafin or you can share it on Apple, 1350 01:12:49,450 --> 01:12:52,370 Spotify, iHeartRadio and so on and by all means leave us a 5 1351 01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:53,770 star review. 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It's the Dash suspendables.com. 1360 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,740 You can tell that I'm starting to glitch too. 1361 01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:17,500 I might have some Mitch McConnell in me today. 1362 01:13:17,740 --> 01:13:21,900 Thedashsuspendables.com for Gerda Boyle stuff and it 1363 01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:25,220 supports the suspendables Folks, we will see you again tomorrow. 1364 01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:27,900 Tomorrow is Thursday, so that means I'm going to be talking to 1365 01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:30,580 Mike Benz about the CIA getting involved in the messaging 1366 01:13:30,580 --> 01:13:33,380 campaigns and CIA cutouts. Don't miss that. 1367 01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:35,580 Definitely stick around for Mike Benz tomorrow. 1368 01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:37,820 And until then, I hope you have a wonderful day and y'all be 1369 01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:39,620 safe. 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