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Prepare to hear the truth from a
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Patriot, here's civil liberties,
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Kyle seraphin. 
Hello my friends and welcome to 

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the Kyle seraphin show for 
Monday. 

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March the 19th, today's guest is
going to be are in Stevenson and

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you met him in our episode of 
Double Trouble where we talked 

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about child sex trafficking, 
with his partner in crime at 

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this point Tara roads. 
But today we're going to have a 

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kind of a different episode. 
We're going to dig into some 

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things that he saw while he was 
at DHS, things that he saw 

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before, that his background in 
the Marine Corps and going 

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overseas and then working as a 
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And so some of those things are 
going to lead into. 

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I think a very Very insightful 
experience of what happened 

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during the failed Afghan 
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I think we are now seeing some 
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hopefully we don't see it in a 
more kinetic way, but I want him

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to be able to kind of share with
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some of the concerns and 
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and we're going to say. 
Welcome to Aaron Stevenson. 

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Hey buddy, how you doing? 
Good man, how are you? 

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I'm well and I've got my Patriot
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don't have your your handle on 
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I'm going to plug that right 
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People if you're not following 
Aaron on social media you can do

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so at called underscore out 
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DH HS like the entity called out
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on both truth and on Twitter 
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other there. 
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stuff that you have to put out. 
There is pretty good way, and it

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comes from somebody who has 
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State, and dealt with the 
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way that I did. 
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Aaron what, what do you think? 
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right now is this country 
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Yes, I do think that as far as 
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kind of starting to wake up, 
2020 was in a, you know, there's

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of bad things happened, but the 
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But a lot of people I think just
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the basics of who we are as a 
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So yeah, I think it's been a 
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this this sort of ongoing 
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government's been up to as kind 
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And if my memory serves you kind
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It's given people focus. 
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indicative of difficult times. 
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just a little bit? 
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too deep if you don't want to 
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like, you know, whatever and 
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that for like ten straight years
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I just you know, maybe 
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obviously the reactions. 
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Like, all right, well, who am? 
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in the who am I? 
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you know? 
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brother, a son. 
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in the Marines. 
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the checklist and I was like, 
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But what does that even mean? 
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arguments going through all my, 
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documentaries and just all kinds
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Can I do a quick promo? 
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Taylor Marshall. 
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handle a say. 
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I got baptized got Chris mated, 
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But it's, you know, it's it's 
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obviously very, very grateful 
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Did you grow up with any faith 
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Not really, I mean, you know, 
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over when I was like Young. 
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like, do the whole like blessing
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And then I learn. 
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Taylor Marshalls videos and I 
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some point I'll probably be on 
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I think he's invited me on. 
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it will do it. 
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that rank. 
So true to you. 

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That gave you something for me? 
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have folks that either have 
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are either, you know, sort of 
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walked away, and where maybe 
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What do you think that like 
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There it was definitely the way 
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the theology, but also the 
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That's one thing about me. 
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logic-based and I got read the 
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have brought me to be an atheist
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I don't look at it. 
I'm buying Look at it, 

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objectively and I didn't look at
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really know more. 
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history or Catholic history. 
Orthodox Street at all. 

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Yeah, one of the, like, last 
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over was when I learned that, 
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Apostles, like 11 or tortured to
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there's a pattern of behavior. 
There are these dudes aren't 

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giving in, it's like, that's, 
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It's like, yeah, I think it was 
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actually, you know, Okay, I'll 
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Now, then I actually started 
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feeling, not just like in my 
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like it. 
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yeah, I think a soul is a real 
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Like oh my gosh, I'm so cool and
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I'm way off. 
How awkward is that? 

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Like you know, because you live 
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You don't talk about this kind 
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and I are pretty close in age 
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80s and the 90s went like, you 
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This is wasn't, it wasn't dinner
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It wasn't like Rangers wouldn't 
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Although, you probably could do 
it today in a way that you 

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couldn't do previously. 
And, and then you're like, now 

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I'm talking about it in a 
potentially National Forum. 

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I'm out there like identifying 
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where people from all over the 
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Could know when I'm about, like,
how, how weird is that for our 

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for our age bracket? 
It's I think it's a sign of the 

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times but it is it is a stark 
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again, this was not dinner table
conversation when I was a kid. 

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But with my kids, it's like we 
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the Christ and like I'm stopping
it giving history, there's the 

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part of the Bible and we're 
going through my kids, loved it.

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And it's just, it's not say that
it my parents didn't raise me to

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whatever way. 
But it's just like, I think it's

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a sign of the times were kind of
get tested a few different ways 

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and it shows you, I think like 
okay this is this is our source.

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This is our, our Rock to stand 
on that can help us out with 

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things and just then took a 
little bit of pressure and it 

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shows you how I think fast and 
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We are to run back home, which 
is obviously God. 

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Yeah. 
And it's just one of those 

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things where it's like, wow, 
this is This is legit thing I 

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think so I'm grateful for it. 
It's good. 

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You mentioned that the 11 of the
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their faith and that's known as 
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I've been learning a little bit 
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also following some folks that 
I, you know, martyrdom wasn't 

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really a discussion that 
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through through Catholic grade 
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middle school and things kind of
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Like I feel like you don't have 
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But today, it's more of a real, 
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much, the red martyrdom which is
giving your life but But the 

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white martyrdom where you give 
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lose your paycheck and I know a 
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in one of those, it's like I 
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The stand may not be everybody 
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can't take it and you lose 
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because you saw something that 
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was in just and or unjust rather
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sort of a white martyr, which is
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You would consider yourself 
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and then you go, yeah, I am 
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comforting and lose things that 
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because there are beliefs that 
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and your paycheck. 
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I never would have thought that 
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because I decided I never really
thought that. 

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I could have like, you know, 
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General and follow report and it
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there, Would have been no, I'll 
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And that's why I was just like, 
no I'm going to go. 

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I'm going to prepare to us now 
about this because it's going to

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have to go out quickly. 
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that's what are Assad. 
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like, oh geez, this is actually 
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She did no cases that because of
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situation. 
So it's like that's worth it. 

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It does the whole thing's worth 
that. 

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I really don't care anymore 
about And yet being a Fed is a 

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couple job, but it's like, it 
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that comfortable to where I can 
take that from somebody else, 

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right? 
Especially my children and their

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future. 
It's like, no, I showed them. 

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What's right? 
What's wrong? 

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And it's like no, you will act 
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You will do the right thing 
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they'll always have that that 
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They'll always know which way, 
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not always do it. 
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And, as long as your compass is 
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it back to the path, which is 
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to give me a little bit of a 
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background. 
I want to do A little bit deeper

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and we talked about how you were
a marine for eight years, folks,

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if you didn't watch double 
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name of it because I had two 
people on. 

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It was the first time I did two 
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But if you haven't seen that 
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go back a couple weeks, it's 
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think you'll find it, 
Illuminating, this is going to 

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be a little easier because 
there's two of us and, and you 

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sound great by the way. 
I think it sounds awesome. 

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I'm glad you got some ears. 
It all looks good, man. 

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Yeah, I think the message is so 
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thing out. 
So I want to dig into your 

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Marine Corps pass. 
Past, you are an Intel guy. 

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What did that look like? 
What was your on the ground job 

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when you were domestic? 
What did it look like when you 

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were overseas? 
Because I know you did that a 

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couple times kind of give people
a glimpse into being a Marine 

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Corps until Troop. 
Well, so there's obviously an 

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array of intelligence and also 
enlisted. 

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I was never an officer, but it 
means you didn't realize our 

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shame what's called. 
Yeah. 

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So I was in what's called a 
child Italian. 

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So we had you all components of 
intelligence with us now I'm, we

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also had like, you know, a 
sister Italian with us, or next 

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whistle. 
He's called radio Italian, they 

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did sigint. 
But my job was called all-source

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intelligence analyst. 
So our job was basically to, you

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know, in traditional Military 
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You're there to You've 
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imagery and Satellite 
photographs, you can receive 

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reports of your measurements, it
signals a more technical things 

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and then you're there to 
basically assist the commander 

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and reducing his confusion, 
that's what traditional Military

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Intelligence is you make the 
commander less confused right 

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now can understand and this 
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It's not just about their 
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The battle space is a little bit

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different, those kind of come 
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was different, you were fighting
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traditional standing army so for
the Iraq campaign when they 

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first invaded, I wasn't there 
but over time it's like you 

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could see how Iraq kind of got 
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these things kind of morph over 
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Then you have like X beta. 
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and it was never very easy, but 
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there's a lot of professionalism
from the listen to what the 

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officer ranks that it did a 
great job at it, but so 

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stateside We were on a known 
rotation schedule. 

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So we were basically home six 
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six months gone. 
Six months. 

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So the home six months you gotta
do your standard record 

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training. 
So we had to do like a PFT a 

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strength test. 
We had to do acronyms and now we

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know I think a lot of people 
know. 

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Yeah. 
The physical fitness test but 

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yeah and is what's the Marines 
look? 

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Like? 
Just for just for a so ellipse 

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to get a perfect score. 
You have to get 20 pull-ups, 100

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crunches, Has and a three-mile 
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then everything that you don't 
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So that's like your you start 
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whatever you don't get your 
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So getting a first class P of T 
is like the standard. 

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I think you have to get a to 45 
and above. 

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It's really not that difficult. 
I usually, I was wrong. 

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I probably 260 270. 
My highest was a to 90. 

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Something I can never forget the
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miles. 
I've never smoked and Bash 

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six-minute miles. 
I'm short. 

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Yeah, I'm 59. 
I'm a sprinter. 

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I'm deadly in the spring game. 
I am not a long-distance guy, I 

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guess, what femurs? 
This is the way it is. 

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I'm Neanderthal. 
I'm sure that you are. 

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So yeah, totally. 
I'm like a dwarf dangerous over 

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short distances, right? 
Exactly. 

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As a matters though. 
So it was just that, but like we

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would straight, we try to stay 
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know, the reporting flow. 
You don't want to ever drop off,

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whatever, but there was also an 
operational cycle as well. 

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So we were always gone in the 
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So we do. 
Gone from like March to like 

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maybe late September early 
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unit, they would come was I was 
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kind of rotate in and out and 
that's how it worked. 

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So wintertime the tax but it was
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actually kind of go down because
you know what was cold and it 

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was just a situational thing. 
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the kind of ramp up again and 
that was at the pattern of Flow 

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by 07 that change drastically or
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Corps is employing a new thing 
where they're really engaging. 

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Populist this. 
And this was called this a Hawa 

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or which the, I think it means 
The Awakening. 

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But like, they hit the all the 
Sunni tribes and Al anbar 

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province, which is west of 
Baghdad and they were like, 

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Al-Qaeda hate, you guys, they 
are using you guys. 

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We don't want to dominate you 
guys. 

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We just want to like get some 
peace stability, returned a 

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normalization and you guys go on
your way and be a happy little 

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democracy. 
So it's a flawed concept to 

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because that whole cultural 
thing but it was like we don't 

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mess with you guys and four 
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Is a struggle Al-Qaeda got 
sympathy because they would come

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into like the market and control
bread prices, which sounds like,

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you know, this communism. 
It's like, yeah and starving 

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people were eating so that's 
sympathy points right away, 

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right? 
So there, yeah, this I mean this

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falls into the the quote unquote
hearts and Minds. 

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You call it the Awakening, but 
people that were back home, kind

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of knew of it as the hearts and 
Minds campaign, the sort of a 

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softer version. 
But did you what was your role 

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in that as intelligence? 
What were you guys doing? 

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Akley to kind of Aid that 
mission set. 

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If somebody else was out there, 
dropping pamphlets, or doing 

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psyops, or whatever the things 
that, you know, the other units 

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type 2. 
So, this was we called us a so 

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stability and security, 
Operations, Security, and split 

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operations. 
And what we would do is just to 

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literally try to keep any kind 
of like combat and fighting 

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gone. 
So, we was almost is almost like

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a police force type thing. 
We had a recce police. 

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We had a wrecking, our me there 
was other are executed forces 

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but we were too kind of there to
hold her hand walk them. 

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Long. 
And we do play catch up because 

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the US government decided to 
fire the entire recce Army. 

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After 03, when the war's over 
it's like get I was a bad idea 

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guys because a lot of those do 
is join the fight, they had to 

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get money, right? 
So we did a pretty good job and 

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what we did is intelligence was 
it was basically mostly threat 

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reporting, we'd come in and find
out. 

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So if we had any human sources 
or human intelligence sources, 

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they would come and tell our 
collectors. 

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Like, you know, this is what's 
going on in the city. 

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We rip the collect obviously 
signals intelligence, but we 

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would also just said The patrols
and, you know, get a get a feel 

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of the land. 
They have to you have to 

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actually engage the population. 
You can't just spy on them. 

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It was talk with them turns out 
so yeah, right. 

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And yes, we were just kind of 
get an understanding what's 

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going on the lives and then 
continue the Security operation.

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So we were still fighting 
Al-Qaeda. 

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We're still fighting bad guys by
07-08 really kind of changed, 

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and speaking of hearts and 
Minds. 

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So there's two kinds of missions
for winning hearts and Minds. 

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You have the, the people the 
Douglas put, you want to win the

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hearts and Minds. 
Then you're supporting also the 

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like, you know, targeted raids 
where it's to in the heart, one 

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of the mind. 
Yeah, so that's funny. 

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That's a very real people. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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What sort of what sort of other 
government agencies were you 

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interface with in? 
At that time because I have to 

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imagine everybody's over there. 
Everyone's got their hand in the

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pyrite Yeah, but so, I was 
supporting infantry battalion, 

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1st Light, Armored 
reconnaissance, and that was all

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sporting different regimental 
combat team. 

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But we wouldn't, we would still 
be an information flow for 

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Alexia reporting. 
Obviously some NSA reporting, 

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but it wasn't like we were 
operating in Han like we were in

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a very small forward operating 
base table. 

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If you will, and we would get 
the reporting. 

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But we weren't like sitting with
like super spies are like that. 

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We would operate a lot of 
combine stuff though. 

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So we sure. 
Operational border with the 

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army. 
So we had to establish 

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Communications and Rapport and 
like, kind of be cool with 

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everybody. 
SEAL Teams would come in and 

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they'd be able to operate our 
area. 

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If they had to get bad guys, 
there were always the funnest 

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ones work with because you know,
their seals they're they're 

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they're awesome, they're good 
dudes. 

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And the good at what they do but
it's like their mission and for 

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that time was just you know like
get bad guys. 

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So they were really cool. 
They taught us a lot about 

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intelligence with like more of a
long the Black Ops type thing 

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and it was kind of fun to learn 
that and like okay how do you 

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guys operate? 
How do Do these things. 

448
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,800
Do they come in with their own 
Intel guys? 

449
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,700
Yeah, they did. 
And, but they were great though.

450
00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:15,900
They would, they would really 
teach you like how they operate 

451
00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:18,100
in a certain few senses of like,
yeah, you actually want to find 

452
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,300
this kind of information if you 
see these transits what it's 

453
00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:21,700
looking at now, don't worry 
about those. 

454
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:23,100
Dudes are fine, who cares about 
those guys. 

455
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,000
So the, you'd really kind of 
learn like, you know, it's like,

456
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,200
okay this makes sense and I 
would help us out when we were 

457
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,800
again, like re-engaging the 
population. 

458
00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:33,100
So that way when you're going 
through the desert and you come 

459
00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:36,100
across like couple dudes and 
they've got there like, you 

460
00:20:36,108 --> 00:20:38,800
know, Oh, they're gas canisters.
And some people would be like, 

461
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,500
no, they're making a bomb made. 
Like, no, they live in the 

462
00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:44,000
desert. 
It's like your go camping every 

463
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,100
gas, you know, it's just like, 
oh, yeah, so they were really 

464
00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:48,200
good. 
A lot of those things helped us 

465
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,900
out a lot. 
And that was kind of fun and 08,

466
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,800
the wars for us was really dying
down and anbar. 

467
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,900
So we did kind of seemed like, 
support operations. 

468
00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:01,500
Still, I went up North for a 
little bit to outside of 

469
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:04,700
Missoula is Airy called sinjar 
and our body because that was a 

470
00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:08,000
lot of smoking coming in. 
Of lot of weapons for fruition 

471
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,400
lot of smuggling, lot of foreign
Fighters old station. 

472
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,600
And we were trying to understand
that one and so that we were 

473
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,400
working a lot less on the ground
and we were working, what kind 

474
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,600
of moron the like operation 
centers, but that was fun too, 

475
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,500
because then you get alerted 
like, you know, all right, I've 

476
00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:24,500
done the task of operations. 
Now, we're doing more of like an

477
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,900
operational size thing because 
you have three levels of 

478
00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:28,700
intelligence. 
You have tactical, which is like

479
00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:31,400
day-to-day small stuff 
operational, which is more like 

480
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,300
an area like a think of like a 
state, right? 

481
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,600
But then strategic is like, 
you're smart do Is that are 

482
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,900
thinking of 30,000 feet, like, 
you know, what's the world look 

483
00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:42,900
like in five years? 
And stop racial lens is great. 

484
00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:45,300
Because, you know, we're seeing 
different battle spaces and how 

485
00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:49,100
they operate and trying to get 
understanding of what's going 

486
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:50,400
on. 
Everyone involved here. 

487
00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:54,300
And so one great thing we did 
was we established to find the 

488
00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,400
actual pattern of how these 
dudes are coming in. 

489
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,200
So, we did like a big berm study
because there's a huge berm as 

490
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,000
the border between Iraq and 
Syria out west. 

491
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000
It's not like there's a border 
wall but you see I don't mean 

492
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,100
he's like a pile of dirt. 
I do it's like just a yeah, like

493
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,400
like bulldozers just and they 
make this thing and obviously 

494
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,100
Smugglers to. 
It's not like they were just bad

495
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,200
guys because they would be 
bringing in goods and stuff. 

496
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,500
They'd break a berm and they 
just feel to drive through it 

497
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,300
over time. 
And so we were trying to find 

498
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:24,800
out where all the like, how 
they're getting from this part 

499
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,400
of Syria to these parts of Iraq 
and they're skipping past us. 

500
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,900
We know they're going through 
the desert. 

501
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:31,900
So we did a few different ways 
to collect information. 

502
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:35,100
We did kind of like long-term 
like nighttime search has to 

503
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:38,400
look for you know. 
Non-artificial light, so, like 

504
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,300
campfires and stuff, we would 
look at just look at the map. 

505
00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,400
We're all the natural watering 
holes, where the natural water 

506
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,300
Springs because you're in the 
desert is going to take you a 

507
00:22:46,308 --> 00:22:47,800
few days. 
You got to have water. 

508
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,900
And then we finally, then 
collected, some dude has GPS and

509
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:56,300
like hit every single way point 
we when we detain the guy it's 

510
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:59,100
like we had that we mapped it 
out and it's like oh cool it's 

511
00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:01,600
actually literally everywhere 
we're looking at right now. 

512
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,600
So it was cool to kind of put 
things together like that. 

513
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,200
We're working more like you 
know, it Major intelligence and 

514
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,700
understanding how they like, how
Olympics work and the collection

515
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:12,300
platforms is it was what kind of
fun. 

516
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,800
Imagine you called operational 
is that correct? 

517
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,200
So tactical being ground level, 
you know, day-to-day operations 

518
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,200
operational being the next step 
of, that's what you were doing 

519
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,500
there, looking at an area, 
trying to see that the issues in

520
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,400
that, in that particular region.
Yeah. 

521
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,400
And that was and that was going 
to support the commander at a 

522
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:30,600
more of a theater level type 
thing. 

523
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,500
So that way he can understand. 
Like okay, we these are my 

524
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,200
missions. 
There's bad guys how to getting 

525
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,200
here. 
There's this house that 

526
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,400
happening. 
We're able to tell him like, the

527
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,400
bad guys are coming through here
and then you can go. 

528
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,400
Alright, thanks and you can 
figure out his job but we were 

529
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,700
still, you know, every now and 
then get pulled out to support. 

530
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:51,200
So in 08, if you want to hear a 
quick little story, we got a 

531
00:23:51,208 --> 00:23:54,600
call from, I've got the Marine 
unit was out there but is an 

532
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,800
alkyne and I'll kinda is in the 
The way west part of Racket 

533
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,700
borders Syria. 
So it's a port of entry and it 

534
00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,500
took years for this thing to 
open up because of funding and 

535
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,600
Corruption whatever else. 
So we can automatically these 

536
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,400
were hurting right? 
But they're kind of going along 

537
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,300
now. 
The kind of moving along and 

538
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,100
this is now in the summer of 
awaits the wards like really 

539
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:18,000
kind of starting to not die down
but it's like there are get 

540
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,900
there knowing that we're leaving
soon and it's not a shock there 

541
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,400
and so there was this really bad
dude out there. 

542
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:27,200
I can say is Only Southerner 
know his name is bhadra on 

543
00:24:27,208 --> 00:24:29,500
Turkey. 
I like that you were ready to 

544
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:30,900
censor yourself. 
It's good. 

545
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,300
And so he was actually the Iraqi
army during when we invaded, and

546
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,000
he was surfing with his best 
friend. 

547
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,800
This is like, it's like a 
Scorsese movie. 

548
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800
And these two dudes were like 
units together. 

549
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,500
I will then bring up the Army 
and then it kind of goes away. 

550
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:48,600
And then bodhran is like, 
Americans are evil. 

551
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,100
They came here and they're 
ruining our lives. 

552
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:54,400
So he joins like the resistance 
those other guys like they are, 

553
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,300
but I want to help my country. 
Tree. 

554
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:57,800
So when I multiply my people 
really. 

555
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,900
So he joined the local police 
force and so you have the guess 

556
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,600
I'm in the stores words like, 
you know, good friends but oh 

557
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,800
they become you know, like 
enemies now and so it's actually

558
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,500
upsetting story. 
So we get a call that over the, 

559
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,600
you know, in the morning that 
overnight the unit came in and 

560
00:25:14,608 --> 00:25:16,100
I'll tell the story as I learned
it. 

561
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,800
This unit came in their dresses 
Americans. 

562
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,900
They're dressed like a special 
forces so they were like I'm 

563
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,700
blast boots. 
They're wearing like the cooler 

564
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,600
helmets. 
They had like the totally decked

565
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,000
out in For the, the proper nvgs,
the everything, right? 

566
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,100
And they go to this one. 
Little police Outpost they were 

567
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,500
like, hey guys, we're doing an 
operation tonight. 

568
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,500
Like we got to go find some, you
know, some Al-Qaeda guys, you 

569
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:38,000
guys got to join us. 
Hey guys. 

570
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,800
Did your gear get some of our 
good stuff? 

571
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,900
And we're going to get you guys 
ready to roll and they went 

572
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:44,300
around a few different police 
stations and they're grabbing a 

573
00:25:44,308 --> 00:25:46,900
recce please doing this. 
And they were they were coming 

574
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,900
off not till we talk to the 
locals that were there like, 

575
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,400
yeah, I saw this. 
You need to come in with Autos 

576
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,400
you guys. 
So we didn't call anybody 

577
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,300
because we thought was 
Americans, they were looking, 

578
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:55,100
they're Americans. 
They're just an All-American 

579
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:59,000
uniforms. 
And so they rounded up around 

580
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,400
acting like 15 or 20, Iraqi 
police, and the minute they got 

581
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,200
them, they got them outside, 
they just, you know, knock them 

582
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,400
out, back them up, tied him up 
and they took him out to the 

583
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,600
desert and they'd accepted every
single. 

584
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,300
Dude, what they did out there is
they would cut the head off but 

585
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,000
they would put it like on the 
chest. 

586
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,400
Like so that way it was like 
dudes head is like top of his 

587
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,000
chest and it's one of those 
things where it's like it's 

588
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:22,100
horrible to see. 
It's really really disturbing 

589
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,400
and it makes the people also go 
just like, you know, I'm not 

590
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,900
doing this. 
More like that's that's it for 

591
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,600
me, I'm done. 
Yeah, very visually jarring but 

592
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,400
also kind of like that and it 
stays with people. 

593
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,300
I'm sure. 
Definitely. 

594
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,500
And so this Iraqi he was a 
lieutenant. 

595
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,900
Now the guy that was best 
friends with Bob on Turkey, he 

596
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,100
was one of them and there was 
like I think 40, I things like 

597
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,600
14 or 16 guys. 
I never thought in my head one 

598
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,800
of the dudes actually got away 
because as they were like 

599
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,900
cutting heads off, he can hear 
everything. 

600
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,500
He's like, I'm, he takes off 
running, he gets shot it shot up

601
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:54,200
but we're able to find them and 
we actually represent and that's

602
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,600
how we got all the information 
out of everything. 

603
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,600
And he was getting debriefed and
he was like, you know, 

604
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,000
explaining is like, guys this, 
the, we thought these were 

605
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,000
Americans like, you know, they 
were talking like, you guys. 

606
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,200
Like, go, go go. 
And it turns out. 

607
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,300
It looks like it was obviously a
foreign probably intelligence 

608
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,900
service we think, but it's 
definitely some kind of foreign 

609
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,100
asset that came in and did this.
And that really shook the 

610
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,800
population, like that was a 
really bad day because there was

611
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,800
a lot of people in the area, 
they're just coming back. 

612
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,100
Like they're kind of start to 
become a site again and I'll 

613
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,300
sudden this happened, it was 
really exciting for people. 

614
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,700
So that sucked but then I think 
it was maybe a few months later 

615
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:33,100
maybe was in 2009. 
We did Kill the guy but on 

616
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,900
turkey, that was the Syrian. 
What reading what your wedding 

617
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,200
raped. 
You can watch on YouTube, that 

618
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,400
was the guy that's who got 
killed and it's hard to talk 

619
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,400
about it because it's like, you 
know, these are people, these 

620
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,600
are human beings and it was one 
of those things where I was just

621
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,600
like now, yeah, the were still 
there. 

622
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,100
This is like us kind of slowing 
down the war and it's like not I

623
00:27:52,108 --> 00:27:55,600
think still going for them and 
later in the deployment, right? 

624
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,800
For, I went home there was, we 
were getting reporting, kind of 

625
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,600
long, the that little river 
valley, whose that, the Western 

626
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,300
Euphrates River Valley, good 
reporting from like, little bits

627
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:08,200
of pieces were like, older, 
dudes, that we know are bad guys

628
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,500
were kind of popping up in the 
area and but they weren't like 

629
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:12,000
operating, they were like 
carrying guns, they weren't 

630
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,300
trying to recruit, they're going
around and like, basically 

631
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,900
talking trash to like the local 
like leaders whether they be the

632
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:21,300
tribal leaders or like a city 
council member, but they just 

633
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,900
saying like, you know, hey, you 
guys just go and stand by 

634
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,700
because we know, once once they 
leave, we're coming back in. 

635
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:26,900
And it's not gonna be pretty 
though. 

636
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,200
They were very, very threatening
god without the kinetic, you 

637
00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:33,600
know, like posturing right. 
So they weren't carrying guns 

638
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,500
and like their tactical trucks 
with 50 Cals. 

639
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,400
They were just walking around 
being like, it's going to 

640
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,400
happen, it's going to happen. 
You know, what kind of stuff and

641
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,600
then. 
So we took that and we were kind

642
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,700
of seeing other reporting 
reflecting that and a couple 

643
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,500
friends and I we started looking
at it. 

644
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,200
We were back home now and we 
wrote a small report like maybe 

645
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600
two to three page or maybe and 
we were just saying like you 

646
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,600
know, like listen guys I've all 
things going on it's like 

647
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,200
because We shut down ambar 
pretty well, but I mean not 

648
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,500
really they just kind of moved 
like we were a really bad for a 

649
00:29:01,508 --> 00:29:04,800
long time like it Fallujah and 
ramadi you know hit haditha 

650
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,300
these places are getting lit up 
bad but that's her. 

651
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,600
That's what the sahaba the 
wakening. 

652
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,500
They just basically moved up to 
like Missoula and Beijing and 

653
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,900
other parts of Iraq. 
So the fight just left. 

654
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:18,100
It was still really bad but it 
just wasn't here anymore because

655
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,500
we were working. 
And so we were saying in our 

656
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:24,300
analysis, like they're going to 
come back and it's going to 

657
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,800
probably be a lot worse because 
As we're going to be gone. 

658
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,600
So we were like, probably within
like 16 to 20 months. 

659
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
After we depart our forces from 
Iraq, it's going to get ugly. 

660
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,500
We think and know, whatever our 
mess Sergeant reads. 

661
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,300
A is like, yeah, thanks. 
Let me follow us in the cabinet 

662
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,600
and Shred. 
Yeah, Noah hand. 

663
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,300
Yeah, this is like, whatever 
goes, right? 

664
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:47,500
Not, good news, isn't it? 
Yeah, so in 2015, or 2014 when 

665
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,700
Isis starts rolling through the,
you know, going from Azul all 

666
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,300
the way down. 
I hit up to friends of mine. 

667
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,700
I was just like, is this what we
said was going to happen? 

668
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,000
Open because it's like it's 
about two years after we finally

669
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,100
pulled out. 
And so maybe a few months after 

670
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,800
I guess but I like, is this what
we were talking about? 

671
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:04,800
And you know, a couple guys got 
a Facebook. 

672
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,300
There are like, yeah, dude, this
is it is then one guy was like, 

673
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:08,300
no. 
Yeah, dude are in like that. 

674
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,200
Someone wrote this thing even 
like three years prior. 

675
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,100
It's just like, you know, this 
is we've all been knowing this 

676
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:16,300
and we've been saying it to 
leadership but that's just the 

677
00:30:16,308 --> 00:30:19,100
way it works, man. 
So that was upsetting it's like 

678
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,000
wow. 
That's really, you know, we 

679
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400
could've done a better job and 
we just didn't what did ya what 

680
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,000
did that do to you? 
So you're here. 

681
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
You are like Or an enlisted guy 
so you're not making decisions. 

682
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
You're not calling shots with 
people to understand how the 

683
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400
military works. 
Then that's what, that's how it 

684
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,300
works. 
You're not in charge of 

685
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:34,800
anything. 
You're the guy who writes the 

686
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,300
paper that gets thrown in the 
shredder, but you have time and 

687
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:41,100
Country, you've got experience, 
you've got some cultural 

688
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:45,600
awareness and you're writing a 
articulable threat with a 

689
00:30:45,608 --> 00:30:47,800
timetable that ends up being 
true. 

690
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:50,500
You know, how does that sit with
you? 

691
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:54,300
I mean, do you at that time? 
It just frustrating, it just 

692
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,800
just sucked. 
So that was a 2014 and that was 

693
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,600
my second full year in DHS and 
as after it might have my three 

694
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,300
deployments to Afghanistan. 
So, it's kind of like, I've been

695
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,100
locked up before, you know, and 
I've been wrong before. 

696
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,600
I know that how that feels to 
this one of those things where 

697
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,800
it's like, you know, it's not 
like our paper was going to stop

698
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,200
the whole thing. 
But it's kind of also, like, 

699
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,000
what was this? 
The whole attitude of everyone 

700
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,500
above us. 
Who was also involved in 

701
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,000
analysis and like, briefing, the
commander and understanding 

702
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,500
these things. 
It's like, just get socked. 

703
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:28,800
It's like, that was a waste 
time. 

704
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,500
Like, after the end of it, I was
like, that was a waste of time, 

705
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600
right. 
I got to the point where 

706
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:39,800
honestly, basically, I would say
by my, you know, my middle, my 

707
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,300
second deployment. 
I was sitting there thinking, 

708
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,200
like, if this is for, you know, 
like whatever people say, like 

709
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,600
this worth, what oil. 
I'm kind of like, yeah. 

710
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,400
I know what fine whatever then 
like zemin. 

711
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,700
Oil is about our country. 
Okay. 

712
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,100
I can justify that. 
But by the end of the day, 

713
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,400
that's my like 80 of the Marine 
Corps. 

714
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,100
That's when I got out. 
I was like, I don't believe in 

715
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:57,500
this anymore. 
I don't, I don't hate the 

716
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,700
record. 
I don't regret my time men, but 

717
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,500
it's like, but I don't believe 
it anymore. 

718
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,800
Just, I'm just not there. 
I just, I can't do it. 

719
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,500
I still wanted to, you know, I 
still like the idea of serving I

720
00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:08,200
want help on America. 
I want to bump, you know, 

721
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,700
Americans. 
So I still had that but it was 

722
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:12,700
like, maybe this is my capacity 
more. 

723
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,900
But yeah, but when I that all, 
when Isis burrow through it was 

724
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:19,000
like that was literally 
pointless because A lot of dudes

725
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,100
died. 
I've had friends kill 

726
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,100
themselves. 
It's just like, it just sucks - 

727
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,100
like that was. 
It was rough. 

728
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,500
Yeah, I don't know anybody. 
That's a marine that hasn't had 

729
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,000
a friend, the Marine Corps that 
or after the Marine Corps, that 

730
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,800
that took their own life. 
Like literally not, I don't 

731
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,100
think I have any Marine friends 
who don't have buddies that were

732
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:35,900
real close to them that serve up
there. 

733
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:39,000
And I only have one or two from 
the airport that I recall that 

734
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,100
that made the same Choice. 
Most of them are pretty 

735
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,400
aggressive, you know, kinetic 
and kind of on the edge anyway 

736
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,200
kind of guys like knife and 
types, but but that's what you 

737
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,800
need to win Wars, it turns out 
you need people that are Willing

738
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,900
to go to the end, right? 
I mean like Berserkers that and 

739
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,400
then when you bring into Peace, 
A lot of them, don't know what 

740
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,200
to do, right? 
I got it. 

741
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,600
I got so story. 
I'm sure your audience. 

742
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,800
You okay hearing this it's a 
little offensive but this is 

743
00:32:59,808 --> 00:33:01,900
this is a good that's a great 
intro to this. 

744
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:05,700
So in 07 I'm sitting down with 
we've got back from a three day 

745
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,600
out on the desert. 
So we're all tired. 

746
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,700
We're all just like covered in 
crap but we're getting shot with

747
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,300
a quick and they have in this 
little chow hall. 

748
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,200
They have like a little TV for 
afn, the Armed Forces Network 

749
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:18,300
and so you can watch like States
I TV shows. 

750
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,000
But the weird thing is, is like 
you can't watch commercials 

751
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,700
because it's a DOD networks. 
You can't get paid to so you'd 

752
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:27,300
have to watch like this. 
He's just the dumbest, like, you

753
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,600
know, awareness like no, like we
always joke and there was like, 

754
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,300
the balance, your checkbook 
commercial like, don't shake 

755
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:35,900
your baby like these were actual
commercials, right? 

756
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,800
Well, so one of them, it was 
from a foundation for a better 

757
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,500
life. 
So, sorry. 

758
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
I'm reliving my head and so 
we're watching this and it's 

759
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,700
just, you know, we've got back. 
So everyone's kind of zoned out.

760
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,700
We're just we're done and the 
commercial we're watching is 

761
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:54,800
such a high school dance. 
It's like a prom and there are 

762
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,600
And they're handing out like the
court and they're like, okay and

763
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,300
now for your homecoming King 
like, you know, whatever his 

764
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:02,000
name is, and they're like, all 
right, and for the homecoming 

765
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,500
queen and you might have to edit
this thing up. 

766
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:09,300
By the way, they like unveil the
girl who wanted and it's a girl 

767
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,500
with Down Syndrome, right? 
Because again it's a foundation 

768
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,699
for better. 
Life is teach people how to be a

769
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,100
good human beings, right? 
So this Grand, he's like 19 

770
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:17,800
years old, he's watching it, he 
starts laughing, his ass off, 

771
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,100
but he's spilling his food just 
like laughing his ass off. 

772
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:25,400
And I'm telling my friends and 
my family that's been Back home 

773
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,000
and they're like, Aaron that's 
that's insensitive, that's so 

774
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,199
whatever. 
And I'm like that's the guy you 

775
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,500
want though. 
They're doing a job. 

776
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,600
You need a dude who's like that.
Like that's what you those are 

777
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,100
grunts. 
Those are the guys you want. 

778
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,600
Yeah, there's a reason why we 
call them crayon eaters, right? 

779
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,800
I mean, there's a reason why 
window Liquor crayon. 

780
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Eater knuckle-dragger a mouth 
breather are like sort of 

781
00:34:44,007 --> 00:34:46,900
compliments when you're around 
people that are fighting Wars 

782
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,100
because you want those guys. 
Because when you tell them to do

783
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,100
something stupid dangerous and 
needs to be done, then they jump

784
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,300
into do it. 
And I know a lot of Like that. 

785
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,300
I love people like that, too. 
They're my favorite kind of 

786
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,800
people but you can't take them 
to, like, nice places. 

787
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,400
It's why we can't have nice 
things, right? 

788
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,000
You just have to remind them. 
Look dude like you know, stop 

789
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,300
gnawing on all the things that 
are wood in the room. 

790
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,300
I know that you're sharpening 
your teeth or whatever it is you

791
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,700
do. 
But like come on buddy and we 

792
00:35:13,707 --> 00:35:16,200
all know that guy like so I 
always tell people I had a 19 

793
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,300
year old roommate who ended up 
being like a legitimate war hero

794
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,600
and and he was a complete 
bonehead. 

795
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,400
I mean, he looked like an alien.
His head was a His shoulders 

796
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,400
were small, his body was 
stretched, he was in that 

797
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,800
awkward like 19, you know, 18 19
year-old phase before he grew 

798
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,300
into his face and he ended up 
being awarded a bronze star for 

799
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,200
like saving six guys and 
dragging him out of a Humvee 

800
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,000
because he was Fearless. 
But he was retarded to. 

801
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,700
I mean, he was just a moron and 
he was like, Hey, I'm gonna buy 

802
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,300
this Ford Mustang and it's like 
no, you shouldn't do that. 

803
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,000
He's like house, 14 percent 
interest and I was like, that's 

804
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,400
terrible. 
My God, that's the worst thing 

805
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,900
I've ever heard. 
Why would you do that? 

806
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,200
And he was like, well, I can 
afford the payments and then he 

807
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,600
bought it. 
And it's like, can you afford 

808
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,200
insurance? 
And he's looking at me like 

809
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,500
insurance. 
What's that? 

810
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,100
It's like I know you're a moron 
because you made bad decisions 

811
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,300
with your money. 
I know you make $100 a paycheck,

812
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,400
it's all going to the stupid car
payment and then the next thing 

813
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,000
he did, as soon as he got 
through the next school, you got

814
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,700
a little bit of a bonus. 
I think his enlistment bonus 

815
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,600
paid out, and he's like, yeah, 
I'm getting this motorcycle. 

816
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,500
I'm getting up, you'll blast, 
and I'm like, you know what? 

817
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:14,700
I call that and he was like, 
what? 

818
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,100
I was like, that's a murder 
cycle. 

819
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:17,900
You're gonna kill yourself on 
that thing. 

820
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,800
You can't die on that buddy. 
Like you can't do it, like, get 

821
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,400
rid of the bike Captain, both 
survived. 

822
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,200
Like so many, you know, God's 
fortunate creatures do, and then

823
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,300
he went on to do really great 
things, but just terrible 

824
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,700
decision making, you know, just 
foolishness. 

825
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:32,600
I also remember him getting 
pulled out of a boat. 

826
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:34,300
We pulled them into the boat. 
Actually, after I die Mission 

827
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:38,000
and everybody near us had been 
like telling people to watch out

828
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,900
for the jellyfish which you 
don't need a symbol for that. 

829
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,100
By the way, if there's jelly 
fish in the water and you 

830
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,100
haven't worked it out, you look 
at your die partner. 

831
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,500
You get this thing where you're 
like, there's your eyes and then

832
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:49,300
you're like it's up there out. 
No, you just show them what the 

833
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,200
jellyfish as the jellyfish 
symbol. 

834
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,400
Just your hand. 
Making a jellyfish and so we 

835
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,400
didn't work it out. 
But we all got Jellyfish out of 

836
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200
the way except this poor guy. 
I don't want to name him because

837
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,500
he's like a grown man. 
Now, with children, I'm sure. 

838
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,500
And and he came up and he had 
like a jellyfish that of just 

839
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:05,600
like going across his whole 
face, you know. 

840
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:10,300
And he was wrecked, his face was
all just like pus and you know 

841
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,200
stung and it looked awful and 
then because he's 19 and some of

842
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,600
us were in our you know late 20s
or one or two guys in the early 

843
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600
30s we're all students like at 
the die school there and were 

844
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200
like dude now we have to pee on 
your face and he's looking 

845
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,400
around. 
The instructors. 

846
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,500
You know they're just like yep 
that's what they're going to do.

847
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:28,500
They're going to pee on your 
face. 

848
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:29,400
Hey sorry. 
Miss weight is. 

849
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,800
Yeah, you just have to get pee 
on your face because, you know, 

850
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200
which is and a half, the guys 
that are paramedics. 

851
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,300
So that's the other thing. 
So everyone knows this is not a 

852
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,800
like a really good treatment for
her for getting stung but he's 

853
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600
looking around like panicky and 
no one peed on the kids so that 

854
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,000
was a good news but I wouldn't 
put that past any combat unit 

855
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,800
like being on somebody's face 
for a jellyfish is like 100% And

856
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,100
that's totally endeavors. 
Yeah, there was one dude who I 

857
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:55,200
met him and he, you know, 
because when you're with that 

858
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,700
level, like everyone knows 
everything about each other. 

859
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,300
Like it's the tightest family 
ever. 

860
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,800
And so once your blood in, it's 
like, they'll love you the same 

861
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,700
way and then they were like 
walking around. 

862
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:05,000
Cause I was a little guy so they
were like, no. 

863
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,400
All right, cool. 
You're gonna be in this vehicle,

864
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,500
help us out like the Tesla 
questioning, you know, I oughtta

865
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:11,300
and like, here's a team. 
You're with yours, you know, 

866
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:13,100
like Higgins and Jenkins. 
Whatever. 

867
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:14,300
How's it going, guys? 
Cool. 

868
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,700
Like you know, whatever. 
And then that one do is like 

869
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:18,000
head. 
You wants his guy threw up real 

870
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,800
quick. 
I was like what they're like. 

871
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,300
Yeah. 
Watch this. 

872
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,300
He's like, yeah. 
Do you watch this? 

873
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,200
That again slowly shiz. 
Hold on. 

874
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,600
What if you want to see this 
guy, do what throw up food? 

875
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Like you can throw up a command 
and the way he threw a bucket 

876
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,900
man as you kick him in the 
Shins, really, really hard. 

877
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:33,600
And so he's like yeah, watch 
this. 

878
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,400
And this dude just like Bruce 
Lee chopping down a tree and he 

879
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,000
just flattens. 
The guy he just doesn't and 

880
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,900
starts throwing up. 
Everywhere is like, see seen, 

881
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:46,900
I'm like, how does well, because
we're about to the operation. 

882
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,900
I do the up order, like we gotta
come on. 

883
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,300
Guys already know that is that 
is the prep. 

884
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,800
His family had his family. 
Yeah, very dysfunctional. 

885
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Not to Pivot away from that too 
quickly but let's let's dig into

886
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
some of the military. 
Is one animal obviously 

887
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,100
Contracting is a different world
altogether. 

888
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,800
You got into doing Contracting 
and you end up going to 

889
00:39:05,808 --> 00:39:08,000
Afghanistan like three times. 
And what I want people to 

890
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,800
understand is like, how much on 
the ground time you got compared

891
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,100
to some of the people maybe in 
the Department of State. 

892
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,500
And some of the Intel people 
that were domestic that were 

893
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,300
looking at charts and trying to 
figure out like, you got to go 

894
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,300
eat the dust with the guys in 
the in the grand. 

895
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,100
It's you got to go and do a 
contract and go overseas and 

896
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:27,300
tell me what that was like, what
the difference was kind of the 

897
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,700
type of personalities you dealt 
with that were different and 

898
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,200
maybe the entities you dealt 
with over there. 

899
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:35,400
Yeah, so I left the like the 
idea of being an all-source 

900
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,800
intelligence analyst and it went
into a job that was it was a 

901
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,700
Biometrics of forensics analyst.
So our job was to basically 

902
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,100
operate biometric systems but 
also the information. 

903
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,200
Make sure that we were like 
properly utilizing its storing 

904
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
it. 
If we had a identify bad guys, I

905
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,900
said that it was our job, right?
What is my about towards? 

906
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,300
Just tell people what those are?
Like, what specific things you 

907
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,700
are collecting? 
So, yeah, the big ones were 

908
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:58,600
fingerprints, facial pictures, 
and Iris scans. 

909
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600
And those are the major ones we 
could do DNA, but it's like, It 

910
00:40:01,607 --> 00:40:04,500
is rare because it's just, we 
didn't have an equipment to 

911
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,600
collect everything. 
So if a do was like a known, 

912
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,600
like he built bombs and IEDs, we
would get his DNA because it's 

913
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,900
like, yeah, we might see stuff 
on there. 

914
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,700
But if it's your average Taliban
fighter, like that, we would 

915
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,700
just print them fish, photograph
iriscan. 

916
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,100
And that was to understand, 
like, where the guys at the 

917
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,600
Battle space. 
So if we're grunts were out 

918
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,100
there, they have like, you know,
mobile readers, where they can 

919
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:26,500
pay that guy looks Shady, who is
he? 

920
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,200
They could scan them. 
And if we did our job, we 

921
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,700
uploaded it to the machines and 
servers they would know like Oh 

922
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:33,600
yeah, this dude got detained 
like five months ago. 

923
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,000
This is a bad guy that. 
So those kind of jobs, it was 

924
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,500
the dominant population. 
Was that, is that available in 

925
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:39,100
Iraq? 
At all? 

926
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:47,500
It was we did was the depth of 
its Well, it's there's two ways 

927
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,500
you can utilize Biometrics in 
the, in a war type suddenly, I 

928
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,100
think that one is for Force 
protection. 

929
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:54,900
Make sure these dudes don't come
on your base. 

930
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,500
Like identify these guys are 
identify. 

931
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:01,400
The council members are like 
really dominate identity and the

932
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,700
second one is more of what we 
were briefed. 

933
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,900
The commander is we will tell 
you who's killing your Marines 

934
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,900
so you can build your networks, 
you can understand the human 

935
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:13,100
terrain better for like a 
counter Insurgency which is very

936
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,000
important. 
So there's two kind of As you do

937
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,300
that, then you can get creative.
Like we were assisting 

938
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,100
interrogations. 
We could do, just if you go, if 

939
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,100
you have the window all 
approach, it's like we will let 

940
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,300
you know all about this guy, so 
we could use it, leverage it, 

941
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,400
and I want it. 
But yeah. 

942
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,200
So that actually, it was excited
too. 

943
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,900
Because I just got on the Marine
Corps. 

944
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,000
It's March 2010 and I just 
started my job and I was in 

945
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,100
Charlottesville Virginia at the 
National Intelligence Center, 

946
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,600
or, and Jake. 
And, you know, they say right 

947
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,600
away like, well, you're 
deploying. 

948
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,000
You're a new guy. 
You're on the contract. 

949
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,600
This is the way it works for 
deploying right away. 

950
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:46,900
I was like, what am I going too 
fast? 

951
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:48,200
And you know, I want another 
Iraq. 

952
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,100
There are a lot of guys going 
too fast, and I was like, all 

953
00:41:50,107 --> 00:41:52,500
right, sweet. 
And I was like, he was like, I'm

954
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,300
gonna go to the mountains. 
I'll be. 

955
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,300
Were you married trees? 
I was married and I was married 

956
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,900
at took it to the time to kids. 
Um yeah. 

957
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,800
And I still do opposites up to 
kids, may be understood, you'll 

958
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,000
get rid of it. 
Turns out they stick around is 

959
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,300
like out, you know I'm excited. 
I'll be out of you know, rink or

960
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:10,900
territory will be now in the 
Army, I want to learn about this

961
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:11,700
stuff. 
Yep. 

962
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,200
And so then my program manager 
with the contract finds out of 

963
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,100
the Marine Corps is like oh, Oh,
we'll send you the Helmand 

964
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:21,400
Province in the desert with the 
Marines, take it out of me, you 

965
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,500
know, so I deploy. 
I'm not kidding. 

966
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:30,500
I got to Virginia in like mid 
February 2010, and I was gone by

967
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,100
like mid-march. 
So we get out there right away, 

968
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,500
and this was just the beginning 
of what's called up my Stark, 

969
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,300
and that was the clearing of how
I'm Province. 

970
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:42,500
So, starting to Marcia, and it 
goes out to the garments are in 

971
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:45,500
other parts of Afghanistan. 
So by the way, Helmand Province.

972
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,100
Thing about Afghanistan looks 
like this bottom left. 

973
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:50,400
Okay, hold on desert describe it
for people that are listening 

974
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,900
to. 
So what does this shape? 

975
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,900
Yes, or give it a rectangle, 
doesn't make a difference. 

976
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:57,700
So rectangle, you know, describe
the rectangle like a kidney bean

977
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,300
kind of turned like this with a 
little sticking up inside. 

978
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,200
And we're way down here in the 
bottom and the rest of it, it's 

979
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,500
the Hindu Kush. 
It's a very mountainous, very 

980
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,000
know, whatever, very humid, and 
a lot of areas but we're in the 

981
00:43:10,008 --> 00:43:13,400
Southwest desert and this place 
is we were to is Never What's On

982
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,000
The Border's just just for 
awareness. 

983
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,300
What are the borders that are on
the To the South was, I ran 

984
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,300
into. 
The West was always treat this 

985
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:23,300
one? 
Is it? 

986
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,700
So one more one, more Province 
was herat, and then it was, I 

987
00:43:27,707 --> 00:43:29,800
think it was teaches it to gu 
stand. 

988
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,500
It's one of the studies, for 
sure. 

989
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,400
Yes, it's one of the stands, my 
buddies always over there. 

990
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000
That, whenever you explain that,
I'm always like, I don't know 

991
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,100
how my part of the world, but so
the crazy part though, again, 

992
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,100
it's like there's only a very, 
very small river that runs 

993
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,500
through there, okay? 
And then they the state 

994
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,300
department, the 1950s, they went
there and they put this big 

995
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,200
Canal system. 
About right? 

996
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,900
And so this creates the town of 
Marcia, and it's cool because I 

997
00:43:51,908 --> 00:43:53,800
go, there you go, you can make 
more crops more Farms more. 

998
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,600
People is good, right? 
Markussi. 

999
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,400
But it also made the fighting 
train now a nightmare because 

1000
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,000
these canals were like just big 
enough to where you could jump 

1001
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,100
over and roll your ankle, but 
not big enough to dedicate a 

1002
00:44:06,107 --> 00:44:10,000
bunch of like small and bridges.
So, all these, all these 

1003
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,100
marines, all the grunts who are 
going through clearing this 

1004
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,300
area, they're jumping over 
Canal, after Canal after Canal 

1005
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:18,800
is very, very flat. 
So inside the Inside the canal. 

1006
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,500
You can get some cover real 
quick but then you get up and 

1007
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:23,000
get over. 
It's like high very high profile

1008
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,600
and it's just like it's it was a
very difficult operation 

1009
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,300
obviously. 
Plus this part of Afghanistan 

1010
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,400
has kind of like Taliban 
headquarters, pretty much like 

1011
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:35,000
Kandahar, which is just the East
through, like Helmand Province. 

1012
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,000
It was just the heartbeat of, 
you know, that part of the 

1013
00:44:38,008 --> 00:44:41,200
Taliban. 
And so we were there and I was 

1014
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,900
helping out, also, the British 
forces, which they had was 

1015
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,400
called op Eric. 
It's the same thing. 

1016
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,700
It's just a different unit 
different So they had different 

1017
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:52,000
operation names but again, we 
were there to tell them what's 

1018
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,500
killing their forces and to help
out any of the scientists doing 

1019
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,600
their science stuff. 
So that's what we did and 

1020
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,100
science stuff. 
Now I gotta know what were the 

1021
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:02,800
scientists doing? 
The science stuff. 

1022
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,200
You got to be specific for me. 
Well yeah, so they would like we

1023
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,500
do know they were gone so go out
and talk some IEDs. 

1024
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,500
The the bomb techs with the EOD 
guys, they would take out the 

1025
00:45:12,508 --> 00:45:16,500
explosives, then we'd go won't 
want to know like who made this 

1026
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,800
thing, right? 
So this is like Forensic type 

1027
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,400
science. 
Then yeah this is like CSI stuff

1028
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:24,200
tape. 
They would do it all and then 

1029
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,300
get the fingerprints off the 
tape. 

1030
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,500
They give it maybe get some hair
they can maybe get some D other 

1031
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:31,100
parts of DNA and these guys were
good to they would understand 

1032
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:33,300
like hey is that the this is 
built the same way as that went 

1033
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:34,500
over there. 
Remember that guy where was this

1034
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,000
bomb found? 
I've always that one pound, I do

1035
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,800
just map it out and we start 
learning like okay who's air 

1036
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,500
operations of this. 
And it was our job to make that,

1037
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:43,900
you know, and make an assessment
out of it. 

1038
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:48,000
So at one point in time, we came
across like this one. 

1039
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,900
One time dude, his fingerprint 
kept popping up and it was on 

1040
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:54,200
like hundreds of devices. 
And so at first people were 

1041
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,600
like, oh, this must be some 
like, major key player, 

1042
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,200
whatever, whatever. 
And we looked at where they're 

1043
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,600
actually cutting the 
fingerprints and it was like the

1044
00:46:00,607 --> 00:46:02,400
final product. 
We're like, no, it's guys, I 

1045
00:46:02,408 --> 00:46:04,400
should like very low level. 
He's like the last guy. 

1046
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,000
He's just putting the tape on 
it. 

1047
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,200
Digging it was bearing it. 
This is a he's bearing. 

1048
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,500
The bottom. 
You don't. 

1049
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,400
That's not a high-level guy. 
You don't bury a bomb, right? 

1050
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,400
The important. 
That's the Expendables. 

1051
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Hello Mom. 
Yes, things like that. 

1052
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,900
And we also had this guy was 
really good. 

1053
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:25,600
He did like ballistics and all 
kinds of crazy stuff with more 

1054
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,400
technical collection of actual 
like, you know, like obviously 

1055
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,100
like Don's with other enemy 
equipment, which should talk 

1056
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:36,100
about on this thing, but he was 
really, really good. 

1057
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,600
And there was one point time if 
you want to talk about 

1058
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,800
bureaucracy really quick. 
So there was sniper somewhere, I

1059
00:46:41,808 --> 00:46:45,600
think was a marja and it took 
out two or three, guys of like 

1060
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,800
one company of Marines. 
So it's like, okay, we got a 

1061
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,800
sniper on our hands. 
So, I went and talked to this 

1062
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,700
guy because he was really smart 
forensics and it turns out he 

1063
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,900
was used to be a sniper. 
So he was saying, like, you 

1064
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,400
know, I'm not going to buy like 
counter-sniper operations, but 

1065
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,100
he's like, but if we get that 
gun, I can tell you like, you 

1066
00:47:03,107 --> 00:47:06,700
know, obviously, how many 
marines were killed by this guy,

1067
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,800
and we can figure that out, but 
we have to get the bullet to. 

1068
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:13,600
So I went to talk to the morgue 
on our base and I was it's not a

1069
00:47:13,607 --> 00:47:15,800
good conversation to have 
because shot my, a dead Marine. 

1070
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:18,700
Yep, may or may He just 
casually, we're just got 

1071
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:22,500
wounded, but I asked them, like,
could you guys when you guys 

1072
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,500
examine the body like, can you 
please retrieve the bullet? 

1073
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,300
Because we rise explain to them.
Like, we're going to try to test

1074
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:30,300
this thing and we can find that 
the weapon would give it was 

1075
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:31,900
doing this. 
The people we can help the 

1076
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:37,000
commander kill bad guys, and the
doctor was like, I'd love to but

1077
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,400
I can't like I gotta send 
somebody back home in a certain 

1078
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,900
way. 
We can't remove whatever too 

1079
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:41,300
much. 
I was like. 

1080
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:44,100
Alright. 
Fine and so then I was like well

1081
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,000
where's the body go? 
I want to know what the bodies 

1082
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,800
goes. 
Will call there. 

1083
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:50,300
So they went to Dover Delaware, 
Dover Delaware. 

1084
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:53,400
And so I'm up all night trying 
to get hold his people and I'm 

1085
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,200
like, it's not easy finding 
phone numbers, right? 

1086
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,000
So I'm like going through all 
these things online, trying to 

1087
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,200
find it. 
Finally get it stable night. 

1088
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,900
I get this major on the on the 
phone I'm explaining what's 

1089
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:06,000
going on, we're talking about it
and he was saying like a little 

1090
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,400
bit, we can do that but it's 
like you know, we want to study 

1091
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,000
it to. 
We want to make sure that we can

1092
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,100
like you know really examine the
cause of death and I was like 

1093
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:15,600
sir. 
Like the guy got shot by a 

1094
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,800
bullet? 
You know what the cause of death

1095
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:19,800
Is like an explained again. 
Like if you give us the bullet, 

1096
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,100
we can find the guys that are 
doing. 

1097
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,100
Yeah, forget, cause it that 
people find the responsible 

1098
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,900
party. 
Yeah. 

1099
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:26,800
And then they were like, oh yeah
but we can also do like, you 

1100
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,900
know, they're a, he was saying 
like basically like study the 

1101
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:33,900
bullet and tell us like the 
material used and it's like it's

1102
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:35,900
Central Asia. 
It's like there's bullets 

1103
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:37,300
everywhere. 
It's like you're not going to 

1104
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,600
stop this but like we can find 
the guy and answer was no. 

1105
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,200
So it's like, I'm already seeing
again, like, wow, it's just like

1106
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,800
people aren't really in it for 
the whole thing. 

1107
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,500
If I trying to be, you know, the
best I can for the lowest lowest

1108
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,800
level of the Warfighter. 
And so that sucked seeing that 

1109
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,100
that wasn't true. 
T10 and it's just like we're 

1110
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,500
trying to help out, you know, 
Marines be Marines. 

1111
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,500
We're trying to make them more 
lethal, trying to get them 

1112
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:02,900
smarter but killing bad guys and
it's like there's this roadblock

1113
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:05,600
after roadblock and another part
of that war I found very 

1114
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,700
different. 
Was I heard I didn't hear as 

1115
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:10,200
much in Iraq. 
I heard so many people say 

1116
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,300
that's not my job and that was 
weird to me because it was the 

1117
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:17,200
radio guy. 
It was the it guys, it would be 

1118
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,500
the cook in the chow hall and be
just this collection. 

1119
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,500
But the further away, you got 
from like the bigger basis, the 

1120
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:26,600
more down, you got to the lower 
units, That does exist because 

1121
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,400
everyone's got to do a job. 
And so I enjoyed doing that 

1122
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,300
because I had to go out to like,
you know, small really bad area,

1123
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:35,800
small places. 
It's not going out there because

1124
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,900
there's no like good amenities. 
You're washing your clothes in a

1125
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,000
bucket. 
Like I was I went out there not 

1126
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,700
knowing I was going to see I'm 
wearing like, you know, 

1127
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:47,500
button-up shirts or pants. 
You know, I'm wearing, I'm 

1128
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:50,200
wearing mirror and More in 
Maryland, where I knew it's 

1129
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,500
like, I'm out there looking 
fresh. 

1130
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,000
All right, right. 
And I'm sleeping at holes, like,

1131
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,100
at least once. 
Every few days like holes in the

1132
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,900
ground, and this is like my 
doing was like, you know, 

1133
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:01,000
whatever is this here for the 
job, right, right. 

1134
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,600
And, and they didn't care. 
They would see me go off of, 

1135
00:50:03,607 --> 00:50:06,200
like the heel and and ever see 
this guy walking off, just like 

1136
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,100
me. 
They were like, who the hell's 

1137
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:08,800
this guy? 
But by like the second day 

1138
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,700
there, they're like, you know, 
thanks for everything. 

1139
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,600
You know, give us this 
information and let us know what

1140
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,500
you can do. 
However, and I would hit them up

1141
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,100
before I'd go there and talk to 
them tell guys. 

1142
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:20,100
And like I know you guys are low
on like printer paper or like 

1143
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,400
toner. 
I know you guys are low on 

1144
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,500
stuff. 
I'm at headquarters, I will 

1145
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:25,700
bring stuff out to you. 
So, They were always cool 

1146
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:27,500
because it was like, you know, 
like small little drug deals 

1147
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:30,000
like that, it would always give 
you like great Rapport people 

1148
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:32,200
you're doing air quotes on the 
drug deals part of it. 

1149
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,000
But that's yeah, that's how 
things get done your finessing 

1150
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:37,600
because you have access to 
transportation and they don't 

1151
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,300
have access to things so you're 
making connections like that. 

1152
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,800
Yeah, we call them drug deals in
the bureau to all the time when 

1153
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,500
we're doing things like that. 
It's like, oh, you have this 

1154
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:46,400
thing. 
I need this thing. 

1155
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,700
Can we make this drug deal 
happen? 

1156
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,900
It's such a terrible. 
It's such a terrible euphemism, 

1157
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,700
but it's so useful. 
But I mean, they'd be like, a 

1158
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,200
lot of times they belong, Like 
dude, bring some rivets were low

1159
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,100
or like bring some ribbons or 
like a really cheap energy 

1160
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:02,100
drink, you know? 
I'm no. 

1161
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,600
But they were like, dude, we're 
getting low on like marbles, 

1162
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,300
bring them out and I was like, 
I'll get it, I'll get it, I can 

1163
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:08,900
so it's like things like that. 
But it also tells them to it's 

1164
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:11,400
like we are here for you guys 
and obviously I can't be here 

1165
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200
with you always, but it's like, 
we're just a port you guys. 

1166
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,000
I and that means a lot for dudes
because they're down there in 

1167
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,500
it, and it sucks being down 
there, and they're there for 

1168
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:22,800
six, seven months at a time. 
So, you know, give them support,

1169
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,000
they do their job better and You
have gas, it was weird like 

1170
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,100
that. 
I don't know how many times 

1171
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,700
those guys were asked for 
something and you're like, you 

1172
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:30,300
know, it's not our job up here, 
sorry. 

1173
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,400
So, because art, I mean, there's
a lot of that in the FBI as 

1174
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,800
well. 
I experienced that, so that's 

1175
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,800
government-wide. 
I think, I think that's yeah. 

1176
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,000
Might be a generational thing 
too, but it's nice that you had 

1177
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,100
the experience of being the guy 
who needed the something in the 

1178
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,700
field, who was in a forward 
operating base somewhere not had

1179
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:51,100
access to it and then knowing to
even ask I think that sets you 

1180
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,000
apart from the guy who came 
straight out of college, got a 

1181
00:51:54,008 --> 00:51:57,500
good job. 
Job, you know was a until guy 

1182
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,500
from some sort of like degree 
program. 

1183
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,300
It didn't go through and heard 
it the same way. 

1184
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:02,300
I mean it's a different animal 
right. 

1185
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:04,600
We're just talking about 
different types of people and 

1186
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,000
and those are the not my job 
types. 

1187
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,600
No it's not. 
My job to bring cigarettes out 

1188
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,500
there when you know like 
somebody out there is Jonesing 

1189
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,800
for some cigarettes and life's 
going to be a lot better if you 

1190
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,100
bring it. 
It doesn't cost you very much 

1191
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:15,100
out of your paycheck and 
especially especially if they're

1192
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:18,200
a Stateside camels, big gold, 
that's the goal. 

1193
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:22,000
You get anything you need You'll
get the nicest whole asleep. 

1194
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,300
In, I've wanted to bring all 
this stuff up because I wanted 

1195
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:30,100
to set the stage for your ground
level intelligence. 

1196
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,100
I think, as well as your 
analytical capabilities, and 

1197
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,700
when people listen to you talk, 
they're going to know that 

1198
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,200
you're one. 
I think they can tell that 

1199
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,200
you're being an honest deliver 
of this information because I 

1200
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,700
found that to be the case, but 
moreover, that you have a, that 

1201
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:47,500
you're interested in the 
mission, set that your mind 

1202
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,200
works in a certain ways and some
people are analytical types and 

1203
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,900
some people, I'm not really an 
analyst type. 

1204
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,300
I'm more of an action type guy, 
but I do tend to see the bigger 

1205
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,500
picture but I love having 
analysts that are really 

1206
00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:01,500
passionate about their, their 
craft, their trade, to bring 

1207
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,800
stuff to it and in the bureau, 
unfortunately, a lot of people 

1208
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,700
that go like, oh, I don't do 
tactical intelligence and it's 

1209
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:07,800
like, well I'm doing 
investigation. 

1210
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,800
So I need tactical intelligence,
that's what I require. 

1211
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,900
So, you're useless to me, don't 
ask me for anything either that 

1212
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,300
it's not. 
My job experience is very FBI 

1213
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,400
and probably very much like a 
lot of the intelligence 

1214
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,400
Community when it comes to 
doing. 

1215
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:22,900
I really tactical type 
operations. 

1216
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:24,200
People want to do the high level
stuff. 

1217
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,200
They want to do the operation or
the Strategic. 

1218
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,800
So I wasn't even familiar with 
the Strategic terms. 

1219
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,300
I appreciate you. 
Bringing that into my lexicon. 

1220
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,500
There's a lot of strategic 
thinkers, they have no idea how 

1221
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,400
to do tactical operations, which
is where things get done, right?

1222
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,800
That's what brings in the Intel 
that allows them to that sort of

1223
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,600
like processing all that to say 
you had a pretty good 

1224
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,300
understanding of what was going 
on in theater in two different 

1225
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,400
theaters in war zones and you'd 
seen obviously failures and 

1226
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,500
typical government bureaucracy 
failures which Are the nature of

1227
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,000
the Beast right there? 
Just there an operational risk 

1228
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,900
that you deal with. 
If you deal with the government 

1229
00:53:58,100 --> 00:53:59,600
I want to fast forward a little 
ways. 

1230
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,600
You've been working for DHS tell
people kind of in like a very 

1231
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,200
you know quick little couple 
hits bullet points of how you 

1232
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,500
ended up where you were in 2021 
when we saw the Afghan 

1233
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:12,600
withdrawal. 
Yeah it's about the way that was

1234
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,700
2010 and 2011. 
I went back to Afghanistan, 

1235
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:18,100
sporting Special Forces went 
there again under this time DIA 

1236
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,100
defense, August 18, 2012 
supporting special Horses again.

1237
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,200
So that's why I got into that 
little Community. 

1238
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,700
Yep. 
And then I went to go work for 

1239
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:26,700
DHS. 
I was at CBP for about a 

1240
00:54:26,707 --> 00:54:29,300
year-and-a-half fish and I was 
like, oh wow, we're letting a 

1241
00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:32,000
lot of bad guys and CBP is 
customs border patrol. 

1242
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,200
Right. 
Am I saying that right? 

1243
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,400
Support protection protection? 
I know I get that wrong. 

1244
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,800
Yeah. 
So border patrol is BP and CBP 

1245
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,700
is another animal. 
So people may not know that but 

1246
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:42,700
it is there two different 
entities under DHS. 

1247
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:46,400
Yeah. 
So what and I was like, okay 

1248
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,500
well if they're if they're 
getting in because they can't 

1249
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:50,800
legally well how does guys 
getting in the first place? 

1250
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,200
Then it's like okay we'll 
probably use C is so I went to 

1251
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,700
go work for USCIS citizenship 
and immigration services and I 

1252
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:58,100
was there for about eight and a 
half years. 

1253
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:04,000
And then in 2011, 21 in August, 
you know, Morgan, whatever and a

1254
00:55:04,008 --> 00:55:06,700
body hits me up a signal. 
And he's like he just says like,

1255
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:08,000
hey bro, I want to play into a 
conversation. 

1256
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000
I'm talk to this guy and, you 
know, probably like nine months 

1257
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,400
and this is like, you mentioned,
very, very quickly. 

1258
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,200
But you said, you got pulled 
into the Special Forces 

1259
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,900
Community. 
You have contacts at a Green 

1260
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:19,100
Berets because of the work you 
did, in Afghanistan, as an Intel

1261
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,300
guy as a contractor. 
Is that correct? 

1262
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:22,200
Yeah. 
Right. 

1263
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,800
Right. 
And so, I just wanted a hammer 

1264
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,200
that home because because that 
you ran over that really fast, 

1265
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,800
but I think that's going to be 
an important connection here. 

1266
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Not knowing the whole story. 
So sorry. 

1267
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,600
But um, yeah. 
So he hits me up and he just 

1268
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,400
says, Like, hey dude, I'm gonna 
put into a group chat, a signal 

1269
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,900
that was it and it's like, I 
haven't talked to you like but 

1270
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:39,500
what's up? 
And then all sudden, like, you 

1271
00:55:39,508 --> 00:55:43,000
know, I got this invite so I pop
in there and it says, the group 

1272
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,300
that the channel name the group 
chat name says, like, Neo, you 

1273
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:51,000
know land to or some like that 
Neo means Don noncombatant 

1274
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,100
evacuation operation. 
This means getting due to not 

1275
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,100
part of the fight women and 
children up for the fight and 

1276
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,300
get them the hell out of 
somewhere bad as an ego. 

1277
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:02,800
And that's, that's a DOD Mission
turns out. 

1278
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,200
State Department actually ran 
that. 

1279
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,000
So, hold on the thing there and 
so someone he tagged me in a 

1280
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,500
comment but he kind of replied 
to it type. 

1281
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,900
My name in the air. 
This comet is asking like, you 

1282
00:56:11,908 --> 00:56:14,500
know, hey how does like, you 
know, this immigration thing at 

1283
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,900
work I was like, oh that's why I
told me in high school and I was

1284
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:18,800
late time and I think the answer
will kill you. 

1285
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,900
Do this, your foiled, this form,
sand whatever. 

1286
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:25,600
So I went back to the individual
chat, my bro, what is this 

1287
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,200
thing? 
And it says like, you know, 

1288
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,700
we're getting everyone out of 
their, we're getting all are all

1289
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:31,900
of our sources. 
All of our old, Terps Oliver, 

1290
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:33,000
Oliver. 
Ends. 

1291
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,800
Basically all the people we 
worked with in Afghanistan. 

1292
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,300
The actual Afghans were getting 
them out of right now because 

1293
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,900
going down and so this was in. 
It was it was after the middle 

1294
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:47,200
of August, it was somewhere in 
like the 16th 17th 18th of 

1295
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,300
August and our pull out data, as
you want to 30th or the 31st was

1296
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:52,600
kind of the hard hard. 
Stop date was that right? 

1297
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:55,500
Yeah. 
So, we'll well, it was supposed 

1298
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:59,100
to be made first and then Jill 
Biden extended that. 

1299
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:02,700
And then the day after you send 
it that the Taliban said no. 

1300
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:06,600
Not doing that. 
And so the day after May 1st 

1301
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Taliban started rolling through 
Afghanistan and I May 14th, 

1302
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,200
sorry, August 14th, Biden sends 
the additional troops to Kabul 

1303
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,000
because now it's like, he's 
looking really bad. 

1304
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,500
They have gone through so fast 
and so the airport got really, 

1305
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:23,900
really bad. 
And so I'm gonna have to do a 

1306
00:57:23,908 --> 00:57:26,500
bit of a Tarantino type story 
here because yeah, well, first 

1307
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,800
of all just remind people about 
what that look like. 

1308
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,100
So we had basic full control of 
the theater. 

1309
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:36,200
We had minimal Friendly 
casualties of any kind like they

1310
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,000
were. 
We were taking like injuries on 

1311
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,600
a monthly basis occasionally but
not we weren't having K. 

1312
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,200
Is that was that was the 
agreement but the Taliban it was

1313
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:47,900
in brevity. 
It was this you hate America. 

1314
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:49,700
You guys leave by a certain 
date. 

1315
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:52,400
Okay cool. 
You don't tell man, you don't 

1316
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,100
touch us. 
We won't kill you guys deal 

1317
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:56,200
deal. 
Fine. 

1318
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,800
And the other part was will do 
this in a staged process. 

1319
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,700
Okay, we're not going to go out 
once and Mary. 

1320
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,800
You can't be involved with like 
the domestic stuff going on. 

1321
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,200
You can't be involved in, you 
know the Afghan government and 

1322
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,300
the Afghan government you guys 
American government and those 

1323
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,400
are two different things and 
it's not like Taliban were that 

1324
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,800
honorable they made mistake, 
didn't you know, out of entire 

1325
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,600
thing also. 
But in brevity, they did they 

1326
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,600
didn't attack us, we weren't 
hitting them. 

1327
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:24,200
We said we'd leave by a certain 
date and we did not and we 

1328
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:30,300
actually knew this back in 2020.
There was total total deep sake,

1329
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,400
guys, talking to the Washington 
Post. 

1330
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:34,900
And they were saying like no 
we're not leaving, we're keeping

1331
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:36,500
an assets were keeping an air 
SSO. 

1332
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:37,400
You can walk, you can read this 
thing. 

1333
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,400
It was on November 27th. 2020 is
the Washington Post article 

1334
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,800
talking about. 
Not we're we're leaving but we 

1335
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,300
don't worry, we're not right and
so that signal to the world like

1336
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:51,300
what's really going on, right? 
So yeah, so May 1st Taliban 

1337
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:53,600
start volunteering through 
Afghanistan and it's not like 

1338
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,200
it's a this unified ground 
elements going Province probably

1339
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,600
know they were all in the same 
area like is just Farmers. 

1340
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,000
That are like okay yeah well 
tell them. 

1341
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,500
It's going to win someone to 
join Taliban. 

1342
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,400
So that is raised up quickly 
tell bones got their forces. 

1343
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,100
They had their own probably like
80 to 110 thousand but these are

1344
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:11,700
dudes that want to win. 
This is, this is what they're 

1345
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:15,200
fighting for, they believe in it
and this is their home and yes 

1346
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,800
although they're not going 
anywhere that's that's one key 

1347
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,000
thing by the way. 
So this was a cultural thing 

1348
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,700
that we did learn for a while. 
So in a lot of Afghanistan, 

1349
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:26,700
whether it be bypassed Tunes 
down in like South and the east,

1350
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:31,400
or I've got the tribe names or 
the ethnicities the whole 

1351
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,600
country Pakistan though it was 
not Not considered honorable to 

1352
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,700
like join the Army and leave 
your territory because they 

1353
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:40,900
would say like okay you're 
leaving your land to go to find 

1354
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,000
somewhere else to why would you 
do that, right? 

1355
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:45,100
But your you live here, why 
would you go to that mountain 

1356
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:48,000
over there and do that mound 
chain or that part of the 

1357
00:59:48,008 --> 00:59:49,400
whatever? 
Why would you leave to go to 

1358
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,600
festivals me? 
Some sense to us? 

1359
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,600
So they were not looked at as, 
as a very Noble, or honorable 

1360
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,200
thing, the police a little bit 
different because it's like, 

1361
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,600
well, these are in your same 
city as your in your same 

1362
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,300
territory. 
It's like we can respect a 

1363
01:00:02,308 --> 01:00:05,200
little more. 
Now, the soldiers were not hike,

1364
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,400
the top of the Notch, and 
they've always been that way. 

1365
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,400
This is not a new development, 
we've known that for a long 

1366
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,500
time. 
I seen them. 

1367
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,300
It's got to be, I mean, we've 
been there 20 years. 

1368
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,300
So, I'm 12. 
Yeah. 

1369
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:16,900
And so, it's just like, that's, 
that's the way it is, guys. 

1370
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:18,200
You're not going the best, 
right? 

1371
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:21,200
And this is partially our fault,
and it's not to say, by the way,

1372
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,700
there's not, there was awesome, 
Afghan soldiers. 

1373
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,100
Go to do the thing. 
They're very honorable, a lot 

1374
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:28,700
of, you know, great dudes, that 
can fight very well, then they 

1375
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:32,200
were not the majority at all. 
So that's not even worse for 

1376
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,400
them. 
Because Now, it's like, they're 

1377
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,000
getting relied upon heavily by 
the government and it's like, 

1378
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,900
you look at it like, you know, 
we have this big fighting force 

1379
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:42,000
and it's like, that's really 
more like this and they can't be

1380
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,900
everywhere at once. 
So there are falling like crazy 

1381
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:48,200
Afghanistan's going down. 
Kandahar goes down and the only 

1382
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,300
reason why there wasn't a bigger
bad though there is because they

1383
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:51,900
got the soldiers, the hell out 
of there because they were like 

1384
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,600
they're gonna lose. 
So they negotiate, the Taliban, 

1385
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,400
fly the dudes out, no fighting 
but it's like you got to leave 

1386
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,000
now though. 
And this keeps going down. 

1387
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,200
Closer Closer, Closer to gets to
Kabul, And cool the city of 5 

1388
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,600
million people. 
All right so it's a big city and

1389
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,600
the way the mountains are around
its kind of weird. 

1390
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,000
So it's like once you're in 
there it's kind of like a couple

1391
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,500
roads in couple roads outside 
most like Las Vegas and it 

1392
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:17,600
demonstrates is not great. 
So it's like, you know, you're 

1393
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,700
kind of there, it's not easy to 
get out of these things and so 

1394
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:26,600
by the hit the outskirts sorry. 
Well I think it was the 13th. 

1395
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:30,300
Maybe before that actually got a
bit out here. 

1396
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,800
One second. 
So on the July 14th kind of her.

1397
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:36,500
Fell July 23rd. 
That's the infamous phone call 

1398
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:39,500
between Biden and Ashraf ghani 
the present Afghanistan. 

1399
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,400
That's where Biden says, like 
you. 

1400
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,300
So you go through the press 
conference, you're going to turn

1401
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:45,800
the whole you know, do a little 
head fake, right? 

1402
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,600
That's that's what we need. 
Is a press conference to make 

1403
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,000
people think you're winning and 
even off Connie, the president 

1404
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,700
of Afghanistan who sucks even 
he's like, no, I we need like 

1405
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,100
these assets, you're wrong, in 
our numbers, you're wrong on 

1406
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:57,800
their numbers, like he's 
actually schooling biting on 

1407
01:01:57,808 --> 01:01:59,600
this thing and it's just like 
that was the phone call. 

1408
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,500
That was it so on. 
August 14th, Biden sentence. 

1409
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:05,900
Three thousand more troops to 
Kabul. 

1410
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,600
And on the 15th, tell back she 
got the outskirts of Kabul. 

1411
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,300
So this August 15th, they hit 
the outskirts and they just 

1412
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,200
emptied. 
What's called a, the parwan 

1413
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,800
Detention Facility. 
So this was at Bagram Bagram, 

1414
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,600
which be closed down. 
No, the night that thing is 

1415
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,500
about a 24-minute Helo, right 
away. 

1416
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:27,700
It is very very close. 
Like if you look it up on Google

1417
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:30,900
Earth like and you just flatten 
the Earth you can you can see it

1418
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:32,600
across the mountain right there.
It's like no, no, it's right 

1419
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:33,800
there. 
Guys, this was a very, very 

1420
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,900
close thing. 
Huge airstrip, a lot of 

1421
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:38,500
resources was hard to penetrate 
so there's a commitment, a great

1422
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:42,200
place to Stage everybody but we 
do have access anymore and then 

1423
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,800
that was that this essentially 
like one of the major tactical 

1424
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,300
failures that people always kind
of made to just like we had an 

1425
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,200
incredible infrastructure. 
It wasn't in the densely 

1426
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,400
populated urban area. 
We had the landing strip. 

1427
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,500
It could handle every single one
of our types of planes that we 

1428
01:02:53,508 --> 01:02:55,800
need to put down. 
We had full control over the 

1429
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,600
area and everybody knew it. 
And we had when we got detention

1430
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,700
facilities there as needed, and 
we had all the resources that if

1431
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:03,600
you had. 
School a backup. 

1432
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,700
It wouldn't have been hard to 
spin that thing up into like 

1433
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:09,100
functionality really fast but it
was a military base as opposed 

1434
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:12,800
to, like a like, a civilian are,
you know, airstrip or us when I 

1435
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,500
was at I was on the bottom 
twice. 

1436
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,400
Like I lived there for you know,
almost almost a year in total 

1437
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,600
probably but yeah. 
So the the apartment on facility

1438
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,700
was huge head like I mean, I'd 
probably these couple hundred 

1439
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:27,100
but it can hold up to like five 
thousand guys. 

1440
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:29,600
Like this thing was massive. 
A lot of lot of cells. 

1441
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:31,800
Will tell Ben get there. 
No one's really Garden. 

1442
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,100
It click on Unlock and these are
not just like, you know, some 

1443
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:39,100
dude throwing rocks at a convoy,
these are like Isis guys, 

1444
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,600
because there is Isis in 
Afghanistan. 

1445
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:44,300
These are Taliban guys like the 
real bad Fighters and akane 

1446
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,400
network dudes. 
These are very bad violent, guys

1447
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,500
who want to win, but they did 
start going straight to Kabul to

1448
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,300
Kabul, which is right across the
mountains, right? 

1449
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,800
So they get on the 15th and this
is important to understand too. 

1450
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,800
So, you know, ostrov gone, he 
was the president and Jill 

1451
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,600
Biden, who's the president? 
You know, they're on the very 

1452
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,500
top the information pipe so it's
not like they just know. 

1453
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:06,900
All they they're getting fed 
information, the whole way up. 

1454
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,000
Well, if you're plugged into 
that, you see what's going on to

1455
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,800
that includes the Afghan side 
and the Afghan side. 

1456
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:15,200
There's this thing called the 
NDS, the national director of 

1457
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,400
security. 
It's kind of like a doj DHS 

1458
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,000
thing, they have a State 
security, there's some telogen 

1459
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,700
SATs, you know, it's like kind 
of that whole thing. 

1460
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,200
So these, they also guard 
infrastructure. 

1461
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,600
And key infrastructure and 
things like airports. 

1462
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,900
So they're plugged in to say 
their name again, they're called

1463
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:37,900
D DNS, India, India's the deputy
director of Security National 

1464
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:41,100
director of scanned. 
And again, they know what's up 

1465
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:43,200
and plus they have cell phones, 
like, they know what's going on 

1466
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,500
their own country, their own 
cities. 

1467
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:49,500
So as these people are watching 
Afghanistan fall like that, like

1468
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:51,100
they started stage in their 
families, nearby. 

1469
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,100
They're calling their families, 
like, get here now, because 

1470
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:54,700
we're going to be, we're going 
to be leaving here soon and 

1471
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:56,400
you're not going to Afghanistan 
by driving. 

1472
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,400
There's no infrastructure. 
That and plus you have to get 

1473
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,100
into other countries with 
Pakistan, won't let you in Iran.

1474
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:03,900
Just won't let you win who's 
been cast and we'll just let you

1475
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,200
in. 
It's like no they will the kids?

1476
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,700
Absolutely not guys. 
So once they hit Kabul, these 

1477
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:12,800
dudes, that were guarding the 
gates, they ditch their gear, 

1478
01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:14,300
they ditch their like their 
uniforms. 

1479
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:16,200
They put on their Afghan 
clothing, they got their 

1480
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,200
families and these were the 
first guys that got the hell out

1481
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,800
of there. 
And then all of a sudden this 

1482
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,900
airport with no security. 
There's yeah, there's big walls 

1483
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:26,600
in between and those big walls 
have these things called Gates 

1484
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,600
and those gates are This is 
called gate guards. 

1485
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,800
And so the city of frightened, 
five million people descend on 

1486
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,100
the airport and they see no 
one's guarding it and they bum 

1487
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,900
rush it. 
So this is this is the images 

1488
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:42,500
you're seeing now of of Afghans 
running on the tarmac of you 

1489
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:45,000
know, hanging out on the wing 
and trying to get the wheels and

1490
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,300
just completely like The Whole 
World War Z. 

1491
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:49,500
Look, right. 
Have you imagined you ever heard

1492
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:51,900
anyone articulate that being the
actual failure? 

1493
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,000
Because when you first told me 
this, I was like, I don't think 

1494
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,200
I've ever heard anyone talk 
about that this director dove. 

1495
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:59,900
National Security was the fail 
Point. 

1496
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:04,100
Like, that's the single point of
people bailed out and left the 

1497
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:07,500
gate unlocked that like, that 
would have not heard that. 

1498
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:11,300
And so, I learned this from 
Afghans that were actually 

1499
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:12,800
there. 
Because again, so once I got 

1500
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,500
pulled into the signal group 
chat and effort like I started 

1501
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:19,000
making your connections and 
couple friends again and I was 

1502
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,200
getting pulled into food these 
channels and then one of them 

1503
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,100
there were a couple of the 
Afghans that are actually out 

1504
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:25,800
there. 
These are like these work for 

1505
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,000
seals for a few years these guys
actually We had like XF XF s 

1506
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,800
guys, Special Forces guys who 
came back in and like, you know,

1507
01:06:33,808 --> 01:06:36,700
they're trying to do things. 
And so we saw what was going on.

1508
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,200
We saw how State Department was 
turning plans around by the end,

1509
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,600
they were shutting down, you 
know, like flights and stuff of 

1510
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,000
Americans on there. 
And so they were setting up back

1511
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,900
channels to get their get 
Americans and get their friends 

1512
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:50,200
out of Afghanistan after the 
fall, who's they? 

1513
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:54,100
And so they were this group of 
private individuals who get 

1514
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:56,000
these were Afghans. 
And the most is guys, are 

1515
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,600
actually naturalized Americans. 
Okay. 

1516
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,600
But these were Afghans that 
supported like Americans in the 

1517
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,700
war and again these are these 
are good dudes. 

1518
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,300
Like they're credible. 
They're good guys are operating 

1519
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:09,500
with ex-special forces, guys. 
So it's like, this was a good 

1520
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:11,600
Community. 
This is what this was not 

1521
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,400
Pineapple Express if people are 
wondering so and I wasn't up 

1522
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,300
getting some of this is going 
on, but there's on. 

1523
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,100
But they were really multiple 
channels of people trying to 

1524
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:24,500
solve the same problems because 
the SF Community is obviously 

1525
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:27,200
capable and fairly loyal to 
people that save lives. 

1526
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,200
Enabled operation. 
So you're one of many nodes in 

1527
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,900
this sort of, like, pipeline of 
people, trying to say the right 

1528
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:35,600
people. 
If we were to put that in air 

1529
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,000
quotes, who actually were 
involved in the American war 

1530
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,200
effort that we have essentially 
abandoned because of this type 

1531
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,100
of operation. 
Right? 

1532
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:45,900
And and also the other thing 
about that Community is they 

1533
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:47,400
take the initiative. 
They do. 

1534
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,600
They make decisions quick. 
Like these are the guys who were

1535
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,000
like, no we're doing this now. 
Yep. 

1536
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,300
And it's just like, yep, what 
you need? 

1537
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:55,900
So they were setting up like a 
Communication Center in a city 

1538
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:58,300
that was like about I think 
eight, Eight hours away from me 

1539
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,000
and they were like, you know, 
can anybody else come here and 

1540
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000
help out? 
And I was like, I can drive some

1541
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:03,400
right. 
I'll see you guys in like eight 

1542
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,500
hours and they were like, you 
know, what you want to do? 

1543
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,900
I was like well I can tell you 
about see is I can tell you 

1544
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:09,700
about how this thing works. 
Maybe I can try to get a deal 

1545
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:12,300
like a drug deal but like I'm 
saying like you guys need table 

1546
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:16,000
setup, I'll move the boxes is 
the TV straight like just let me

1547
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,399
do things. 
I'll give you guys more time. 

1548
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,899
Then they were like yeah bro 
come out. 

1549
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:21,899
So when I'm not there, help them
out and that meet these Afghans 

1550
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:23,600
and are you on leave great 
point. 

1551
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:30,100
You had succinctly for it and it
was actually on my, this was 

1552
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:33,000
over the weekend of August 31st 
actually turned 39 and while 

1553
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,800
driving out there because you 
know, it's like I want to help 

1554
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,200
out this. 
Is this guy be done right now. 

1555
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:38,800
Yeah. 
So did I not there? 

1556
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:40,899
And these people are great. 
They're nice. 

1557
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:43,399
But I was asking I'm like, guys 
what the hell happened? 

1558
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,000
Like, know you have friends 
about their right mind? 

1559
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,100
They're like yeah like what what
happened there explaining me 

1560
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:50,300
like oh yeah this is gate guards
all left. 

1561
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:52,600
There was a ton of them, like 
these dudes, all ditch the thing

1562
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,700
though. 
And this is first time Access. 

1563
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,200
And so I was just like you've 
got to be kidding me. 

1564
01:08:57,207 --> 01:08:59,200
It's really that there are like 
yes, right up. 

1565
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,200
And by the way, the first like I
think four or five or six 

1566
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,399
planes, like no one knows who 
the hell got on there and that 

1567
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,899
was a really, really bad thing. 
But who do we think they were? 

1568
01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:11,899
Yes, just speculating at this 
point. 

1569
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,800
Obviously, some of them had to 
be these great cars, right? 

1570
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:16,800
Yeah, mostly I would say mostly 
inside. 

1571
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,700
They mostly Afghan officials, 
government officials and 

1572
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:22,800
problem, is those dudes are 
insanely corrupt. 

1573
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:25,500
Now, here's where it gets hard, 
by the way, against me, little 

1574
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:29,200
bit of a Tarantino story. 
So to be in the Afghan NDS and 

1575
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,899
to be in anything in the Afghan 
National Security Forces, you 

1576
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:35,500
have to give your Biometrics to 
the US government. 

1577
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:37,000
So you have to give your 
fingerprints, you take official,

1578
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,000
photograph may be an iris, can 
we get your name, your date of 

1579
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,600
birth? 
We get your like ID number like 

1580
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,899
you exist inside of our system. 
So after this all went down and 

1581
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:50,800
I find out about this, I go back
to work and I'm like, hey can we

1582
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,500
like just kind of go through the
first like ten plane loads and 

1583
01:09:55,500 --> 01:10:00,000
if any of these guys mashed up 
to n DS, records like can we can

1584
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,900
we kick them out of the country 
because like the reason why is 

1585
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:05,600
because it got so bad and 
Marines had to go re-establish a

1586
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,300
security perimeter on the 
outside and they had to go do 

1587
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,800
everything because they have 
Canadian Stitcher job. 

1588
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,000
That's what led to 30 or 12 
Marines getting killed and a 

1589
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:16,100
Navy corpsman. 
If I'm not saying like, you 

1590
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:19,100
know, and it could have changed 
out of that, but it's like, 

1591
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,900
those guys wouldn't have to die.
They really didn't have to die. 

1592
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,300
They did a job because the 
Afghan, the at that Afghan 

1593
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:27,500
element, ditched it. 
And that's got to be a problem 

1594
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:29,900
with somebody, right. 
So I got to work, I say this. 

1595
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:31,400
I'm like, you just go through 
these records and just like, 

1596
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,300
let's just find the guys that 
are we know or in the end. 

1597
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:35,400
Yes. 
And at least we can, we can 

1598
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,200
question them. 
At least we can, you know, maybe

1599
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,300
they'll start Stone beads on 
each other. 

1600
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:39,400
We can find the guys 
responsible. 

1601
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,100
This, let's just Deport them. 
Can we do that? 

1602
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,500
No. 
What was the? 

1603
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:46,400
What was the answer? 
No for was it just no. 

1604
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:49,900
I don't know no no fries, no 
further information. 

1605
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,800
That's no yeah can't do it. 
And I went back to him about a 

1606
01:10:53,808 --> 01:10:56,500
week later as I was still 
talking with these Special 

1607
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:59,900
Forces guys and there I was like
guys can you tell me like legit 

1608
01:10:59,900 --> 01:11:02,500
dues like that? 
You guys can guarantee our a 

1609
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:04,500
still good. 
The not like bad guys but 

1610
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:06,900
actually help us out with like 
major operations or help us out 

1611
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:08,700
with like something like that. 
We actually want these guys. 

1612
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:10,400
We have to help them out. 
They're like yeah, here's a 

1613
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,800
stack of like, you know, 
hundred. 

1614
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,400
So I got to work with this and 
I'm like, guys, I have the names

1615
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,000
or dates of birth. 
I got there, a numbers, they're 

1616
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,500
alien numbers. 
At their visa application. 

1617
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:21,600
Like can we can we just put them
on top of the list? 

1618
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,400
Like, you know, because now 
we're giving out all these 

1619
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,900
things, two, dudes, that 
shouldn't deserve it. 

1620
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:27,200
These are going out. 
Some shady guys are getting 

1621
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,500
these Visa programs and work was
like, no, it's going to come on.

1622
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:35,100
A first come first, serve basis.
It's just like it's just, it's 

1623
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:37,700
the psalmist possible way to 
handle that problem. 

1624
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,700
But it's the simplest thing that
it's because that's our 

1625
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:40,700
government. 
Our government is not, it 

1626
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:43,700
shouldn't doing what's right 
when you talk about the, the 12 

1627
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:47,100
service members or the 12, 
Marines, in the corpsman there, 

1628
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:49,300
Names are on a plaque that's 
outside in my parents front 

1629
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:50,500
yard. 
I don't know if I told you this,

1630
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:54,300
but my hat, my dad had me, put 
up a flagpole, they've got a 

1631
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,100
20-foot flagpole, that's always 
lit. 

1632
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:58,800
And they've got 13 crosses in 
their front yard. 

1633
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,400
It's a big chunk of their front 
yard, and it's all graveled, and

1634
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,000
maintained and groomed. 
And there's a big black clock. 

1635
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,400
That's probably probably three 
feet by foot and a half or two 

1636
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,600
feet. 
It's got all their photos, their

1637
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,300
names, their ranks and where 
their Hometown was, and all 

1638
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:14,900
that. 
And a, in a brief paragraph, 

1639
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:17,200
saying, what it was with the 
never forget written out. 

1640
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:22,600
Stones and people walk by their 
their their house every day on 

1641
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,300
this walking Loop. 
There's all these old timers at 

1642
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,400
walk around younger families and
stuff strollers and people stop 

1643
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,100
there every single day and I 
think it's really important that

1644
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:32,500
nobody forgets what what 
happened but I think it's also 

1645
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:35,500
important that people understand
what that failure look like. 

1646
01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:38,800
And that there are people who 
are actually responsible for it,

1647
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:42,700
not just the nebulous like oh 
the administration failed and 

1648
01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:45,400
the president failed like know, 
they were people on the ground 

1649
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,200
that are now in this country, 
enjoying the blessings. 

1650
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,500
Of Liberty because 13 of our 
finest, went over there and did 

1651
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,400
something that they didn't. 
He shouldn't have to do that. 

1652
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,700
It's really important to 
remember that, though. 

1653
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,700
And I it just in case of any any
anybody that's related to you 

1654
01:13:01,700 --> 01:13:04,600
know, those guys that got killed
and the women to like family or 

1655
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,400
friends or team members and I 
really am not trying to say that

1656
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,000
like this was written in the 
stars. 

1657
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,300
I'm not trying to say that 
whatever but I think based on 

1658
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,900
what by the ministration is done
in this whole thing because 

1659
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:16,900
again, this was a state 
department, operation not DOD 

1660
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,500
like we can really get into this
thing. 

1661
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:21,200
I do think there was chaos no 
matter what that was, I think 

1662
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,000
predetermined based on all the 
steps they took but it's like I 

1663
01:13:24,008 --> 01:13:25,900
don't want to try to sit there 
and say like you know this would

1664
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,200
have been yours. 
Because x y z, that's, that's 

1665
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,300
chaos. 
Theory back is no one knows, 

1666
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:31,500
right? 
It's right. 

1667
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:34,700
See there's obviously some 
terrible decisions that were 

1668
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:38,600
made including abandoning 
Bagram, including, you know, 

1669
01:13:38,700 --> 01:13:41,600
right seeing it fall so quickly 
and not reinforce it. 

1670
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,100
Either with overwhelming force 
and take advantage of whatever 

1671
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:45,100
it was. 
They were going to like their 

1672
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:49,200
there's this is Step eleven or 
twelve down the chain and we 

1673
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,700
could have stopped it two or 
three down and and realize that 

1674
01:13:51,708 --> 01:13:53,600
they were bad decisions being 
made and that didn't happen 

1675
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:56,500
which which, you know, at the 
end of the day I think, This 

1676
01:13:56,508 --> 01:13:59,100
Administration should be 
accountable for all the rounds, 

1677
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:01,500
they sent down range where 
they're good or bad here, 

1678
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,000
otherwise just like every 
Administration should take 

1679
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,800
should own what they, you know, 
they succeeded and failed at and

1680
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,400
this is a clear failure and, you
know, one of the, one of the 

1681
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,600
most awful images of my adult 
life that I can remember, is 

1682
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:15,900
people falling out of those 
planes. 

1683
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:18,000
Not because I knew anything 
about them. 

1684
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,300
Like you. 
Like we watched people from 

1685
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:22,700
Afghanistan clinging to Wheels. 
Not understanding how landing 

1686
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:25,800
gear Works knowing that they are
going to get thousand. 

1687
01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:28,500
Thousand feet in the sky and 
then fall off to their death, 

1688
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:31,200
which is insane. 
Which just tells you how little 

1689
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,900
they understood about anything 
that was going on there. 

1690
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,300
I mean, those people like you 
don't jump on a plane like that 

1691
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:37,800
and think you can hold on to the
wheel. 

1692
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:40,900
I don't under no circumstances, 
but they don't do any sense. 

1693
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:43,400
But imagine what they were 
fleeing because what they were 

1694
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,500
looking down, the barrel of, 
right, right? 

1695
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:47,200
And please understand. 
Also this then to. 

1696
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:49,700
So that's the level of Vesta 
culture, if that's the, you 

1697
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:50,900
know, the population. 
Oh, yeah. 

1698
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:52,800
Here's democracy. 
Yeah, here's some, you know, 

1699
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,600
here's some training on LGBT. 
It's just like what the help 

1700
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,700
will be. 
Ying why we try to do this, 

1701
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,100
right? 
Just want to hear a great story.

1702
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:04,600
I do, I only want to hear great 
stories about in 2010 that we, 

1703
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,600
you know, this there was a human
intelligence report. 

1704
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:10,200
It's called IR information on 
Talent, OR intelligence 

1705
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,200
information report. 
And it's just like, you know, 

1706
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,300
like hey, I talked to a guy who 
said this, right and store 

1707
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:18,100
reading this thing and this is, 
I don't care. 

1708
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:21,100
This is this clothes food. 
So, it's talking like to an 

1709
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,700
Afghan farmer. 
It's a local information report.

1710
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:27,100
Basically, and this farmers 
saying, like, Hoof. 

1711
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,500
I'm glad you're here Americans. 
Hey, we need your help. 

1712
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:35,200
There is a dragon behind that 
mountain over there and that's 

1713
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,600
the reason why we have a drought
right now. 

1714
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,500
And you know this is this sucks 
for us, right? 

1715
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:41,500
So if you guys can launch them, 
some airplanes over that 

1716
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,800
mountain, you can bomb that 
Dragon. 

1717
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,100
That'd be cool because then the 
drops can be over. 

1718
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:50,400
And by the way there's a big 
like Pearl inside this Dragon. 

1719
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,600
So then we can like take that 
big pearl and we can do like, 

1720
01:15:53,900 --> 01:15:55,600
you know, go sell. 
That's what like a lot of money,

1721
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:56,300
right? 
That's good for us. 

1722
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,800
Us, right? 
And this was a natural 

1723
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,000
intelligence report. 
I love the end of it. 

1724
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,500
He's the end of it that the 
collector, he writes on the very

1725
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,100
young, the comment the bottom 
saying this is the level of 

1726
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,700
people. 
We're dealing with. 

1727
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,100
It's like so stop sending us 
complex like requirements of. 

1728
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:15,500
Like what's the socio-economic? 
Blah blah blah. 

1729
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:17,900
It's like no, no, no. 
It's like we're not dealing with

1730
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:20,400
a population. 
That's Highly Educated, right? 

1731
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,300
This is your, they have shoes or
not. 

1732
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:25,500
Exactly. 
That'd be a good collection, 

1733
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:26,800
right? 
Like what is their ability to 

1734
01:16:26,808 --> 01:16:28,900
march in cold weather and or 
rough terrain? 

1735
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,900
So my little experience being on
The Afghan camps and Holloman 

1736
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:35,400
which were nicer than the ones 
on Fort Bliss because the Air 

1737
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,300
Force runs things. 
A little bit cleaner and nicer. 

1738
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,000
They had these things, they 
called The Cadillacs which were 

1739
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:44,900
like multiple multiple toilet 
heads and multiple showering 

1740
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:46,800
facilities like built into these
little trailers. 

1741
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,400
So that's where people went and 
I'm I'm actually interviewing a 

1742
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,900
this kid who was a really nice 
cat. 

1743
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:56,800
He was 21, 22 years old, great 
English. 

1744
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,700
I like an American sense of 
humor had dealt with the state 

1745
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:00,700
department for a number of 
years. 

1746
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,000
You know, there's there's all 
different levels of 

1747
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,800
capabilities, this kid was going
to be fine. 

1748
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:07,300
He was going to go catch eighty 
thousand dollars working for, 

1749
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,900
you know, meta or Google, or 
something, for the novelty of 

1750
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:13,900
hiring an Afghan parolee who 
actually was competent at a 

1751
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:15,500
skill set, whatever me and he 
was. 

1752
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,500
And so we're talking to him and 
he goes Those, you know, these 

1753
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:21,100
people are from my country but 
my country is not a country. 

1754
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:24,400
It's just a bunch of tribes that
live in the same place and and 

1755
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,200
that's what you guys always fail
to understand. 

1756
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,500
He's like, I grew up in a city 
and I am now sharing a bathroom 

1757
01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:34,400
with people who have never seen 
a toilet and have never seen a 

1758
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:40,300
plumbed anything showers or 
otherwise and they keep shitting

1759
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:45,000
on the floor of the of the 
showers and he said I'm horribly

1760
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,900
embarrassed every time I come in
because they Don't know the 

1761
01:17:47,900 --> 01:17:50,000
difference and these are the 
people that were dealing with 

1762
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:52,000
and he goes when you're asking 
questions to me that are 

1763
01:17:52,008 --> 01:17:55,400
complicated, I understand what 
you're saying, you're not going 

1764
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,000
to find that when you talk to 
the others and you know, I did 

1765
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:03,200
12 and we did 12 12 or 13 
interviews of guys, supposedly 

1766
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:08,000
who allegedly sexually assaulted
a black female Soldier on Fort 

1767
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:13,200
Bliss, which was a silly. 
I mean, I don't know if you've 

1768
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,100
ever been in a fight and if 
you've ever been in a fight in 

1769
01:18:15,108 --> 01:18:18,300
the dark, but can you tell me 
the Under the eyes of anybody 

1770
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:21,400
you've ever fought no because 
that's a really interesting 

1771
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,400
piece of information to share. 
I ended up bringing this is one 

1772
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,000
of my whistle or disclosures to 
my congresswoman because it was 

1773
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,000
like look. 
I'm an investigator. 

1774
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,900
I just go on what people say but
I also look at the plausibility 

1775
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:35,600
of the information that's being 
collected. 

1776
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,500
And if you're telling me that at
1 a.m. in one of the darkest 

1777
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:40,800
places I've ever been in my 
entire life, which is out in the

1778
01:18:40,808 --> 01:18:45,600
desert in New Mexico or you 
know, West Texas. and you got 

1779
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,400
into a fight with 12 men for 
your life that you believe we're

1780
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,900
going to sexually assault you 
and you can tell me what color 

1781
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:57,300
eyes they had and what they were
dressed like and then you got in

1782
01:18:57,308 --> 01:19:00,600
your car because you got away 
from them by kicking them in the

1783
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,100
shin really hard and then you 
drove off. 

1784
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,800
Did anyone ask her if the trunk 
was still open when she showed 

1785
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,700
up there? 
It's like the easiest question 

1786
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:12,600
to like that's the thing I want 
to know, was the trunk open if 

1787
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,600
they were trying to fight you 
and get you while you were back,

1788
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,600
opening up in your in the back 
of the trunk of your hatchback, 

1789
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,300
was the trunk open when you 
arrived. 

1790
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:22,700
Because if not, then I have more
questions. 

1791
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,900
None of these basic things were 
asked and and that was the level

1792
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:29,100
of chaos that was happening on 
the state side of what you're 

1793
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:31,100
talking about. 
So the Evac was going on 

1794
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,200
insanely over there with no 
management and gate guards 

1795
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,900
getting a you know, blown up and
then they got on all these 

1796
01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:39,000
planes and they landed. 
They were like offloaded by the 

1797
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,800
tens of thousands into these 
parolee clothes. 

1798
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,700
Yeah, and then there's this, 
there's people crapping in the, 

1799
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:49,000
in the, in the showers and then 
there's people making up stories

1800
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,200
and then like, you know, and and
it was insane. 

1801
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,100
Like when we drove up my buddy, 
not he was a Green Beret, he's 

1802
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:56,800
my partner. 
So we drive up there to do some 

1803
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,700
interviews and he was like, 
dude, are we in Afghanistan? 

1804
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:01,500
Like, people were just crapping 
on the side of the road. 

1805
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,800
They literally, like walked out 
of the tents, which they were 

1806
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,300
like temper tents. 
Like the, you know, the kind of 

1807
01:20:06,308 --> 01:20:08,700
high-speed Air Force in our 
meetings, and they would walk 

1808
01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:11,300
out on the roads. 
They would be praying kneeling 

1809
01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:15,300
in the middle of the street. 
Like vehicles are like flying by

1810
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,200
and then they would walk off 
like 10 feet and just crap on 

1811
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,000
the side of the road for like a 
mile or two. 

1812
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,000
It was a like a crap row, when 
you drove in, it smell just like

1813
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,600
human feces. 
And you're like, what in the 

1814
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:27,600
world? 
Are we doing them? 

1815
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,800
It felt like, I mean, I've got 
videos if they're like you can't

1816
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,700
take videos here and I was like,
well, I'm taking a video because

1817
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:33,100
this is insane. 
This is the craziest thing I've 

1818
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:34,800
ever seen. 
And I need to document this for 

1819
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,700
our case File so I don't really 
care. 

1820
01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:39,700
I actually had on my government 
cell phone so I was like but but

1821
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:43,500
wild like truly was. 
Yeah, totally Weird. 

1822
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:45,900
Anyway, that's what they got. 
That's when they came over here 

1823
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:48,000
to so they built a little 
Afghanistan in the middle of 

1824
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:50,500
West, Texas. 
And in the middle of nowhere and

1825
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,300
New Mexico, which is kind of 
wild to think about to, right 

1826
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:54,700
next to White Sands Missile 
Range. 

1827
01:20:55,300 --> 01:20:59,400
But so some of these people that
came in, you know, we've got 

1828
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,700
obviously, serious security 
concerns because nobody knows 

1829
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:04,600
who they were. 
You had Biometrics that have 

1830
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,800
been collected and you know that
Biometrics are collected for a 

1831
01:21:06,808 --> 01:21:10,200
very long time in Afghanistan 
for the the conflict and more in

1832
01:21:10,208 --> 01:21:15,600
the way we dominated population.
Everyone over there was 

1833
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,900
fingerprinted like multiple 
times like if you were 

1834
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:20,800
fingerprinted is because you're 
either too young a woman or like

1835
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,300
you were just a true hillbilly 
out of sticks and we never saw 

1836
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:26,000
you like we get everybody 
basically fingerprinted that we 

1837
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,800
knew the whole population. 
So what is our ability to go 

1838
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,400
through the people that we have 
domestically that we brought in 

1839
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:36,000
here and identify friend foe or 
unknowns? 

1840
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:37,800
You think? 
Well, that's that's why the 

1841
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,900
process. 
So when they're doing their 

1842
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:42,500
Advance parole and they would 
stop, they wouldn't fly from 

1843
01:21:42,500 --> 01:21:45,000
like Kabul. 
So, you know, Dulles, right? 

1844
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,300
They would have to stop along 
the way. 

1845
01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:48,900
So they would do these a few 
different places, like Rota 

1846
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:51,500
Spain. 
Qatar, I think there's some in 

1847
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:53,800
Germany, there's a lot of, you 
know, just basically have. 

1848
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,200
Right. 
I know to those three are 

1849
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,700
correct. 
So I know Qatar and I know there

1850
01:21:56,700 --> 01:21:58,500
was like, I think Rammstein also
had a bunch. 

1851
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:01,600
Yeah, Rammstein, yep. 
And so we park them there they'd

1852
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,300
be there for a little bit and 
then we would do like the 

1853
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:05,700
initial security screening and 
then we would send them on their

1854
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:08,300
way and they would get their 
Advance, parole, they land and 

1855
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:11,700
we take him to these camps that 
you're at, you know, you know, 

1856
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:12,700
you know, you're hearing. 
All right. 

1857
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,700
So what was the what was the 
security screening looking like 

1858
01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:17,600
if you don't mind getting into 
just kind of the? 

1859
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,300
So the basic security screen. 
What is that? 

1860
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,400
So they we first defined by 
biometrically, so that's gonna 

1861
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,200
be your fingerprints and if they
can establish that was 

1862
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,500
Community, very rare will 
leverage other things official 

1863
01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:33,900
photograph for like facial 
recognition or will do maybe 

1864
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:37,600
Iris scans that they have it. 
But we will do identify like you

1865
01:22:37,608 --> 01:22:41,100
know, by fingerprints and this 
works very very well and so 

1866
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:45,700
we're you know, load them in and
We're getting guys that have a 

1867
01:22:45,708 --> 01:22:47,900
lot of detainment sand. 
A lot of like, oh, you were 

1868
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:51,000
actually like a very bad guy. 
You were, these things are all 

1869
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,400
identified inside the system. 
It's very technical. 

1870
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,800
So yeah, give me a little more 
technical than very bad guy 

1871
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,000
though. 
Do you mind like what does that 

1872
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,500
look like? 
What does a very bad guys? 

1873
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,700
So, a very bad guy. 
Let's say, while in Afghanistan 

1874
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:05,400
US forces or Coalition, we're 
trying to find this too because 

1875
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,200
they were like we think this 
guy's bad enough to go out and 

1876
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,400
do a rating grab. 
So he has to go through this 

1877
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,300
thing called The Joint 
prioritize effects list or the 

1878
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:16,100
JPL And to be ought to get a 
j-pal number or a target number.

1879
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,800
You had to have like enough 
derogatory information, like, 

1880
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,000
you know, okay, there's like 
three or two or three like 

1881
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,000
really good human sources that 
can identify you. 

1882
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,600
Or it's like we've seen like, 
your phone and during summer, 

1883
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,600
number of things, we can see 
where your operating at. 

1884
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:30,300
But we know you're operating 
with bad. 

1885
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:32,400
Guys, the based on again, like, 
you know, sensitive collection 

1886
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,300
of intelligence information and 
then you're on this list for a 

1887
01:23:35,308 --> 01:23:37,800
very short time period. 
If we can't grab you in time, 

1888
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,600
you go off the list. 
So it's like, this thing is, you

1889
01:23:40,608 --> 01:23:42,900
know, it's a system that's 
designed to go find bad guys. 

1890
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,200
And if you in this information 
is collected and stored inside 

1891
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,500
of your biometric profile. 
So when you put your 

1892
01:23:48,508 --> 01:23:51,200
fingerprints on, it says like, 
you know JPL, you know, four, 

1893
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,300
five, eight, seven, six three. 
It's like you read. 

1894
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:55,100
Nobody, wait like oh man, that 
guy's bad. 

1895
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:57,600
That is terrorists. 
That just adds a shirt, a bad 

1896
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,700
guy here to know, right away or 
if they were on What's called 

1897
01:24:00,700 --> 01:24:04,200
the dod biometric enabled, watch
list or the buell's. 

1898
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,500
We would call it and the Buell 
has categories of bad guys. 

1899
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:10,800
So like category want means like
detain him on sight, you know, 

1900
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:15,000
tier one time on site, tier 2. 
I was like, yo, get this guy 

1901
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,400
into though, like bring this guy
in as well actually. 

1902
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,500
And if you if your fingerprints 
were found on a bomb, or a 

1903
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:24,800
homemade explosive, you were 
automatically to your tude. 

1904
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:27,200
So that shows you like the level
of bad guys, right? 

1905
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:29,600
Then you have a tear for this 
was designed for like force 

1906
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,200
protection. 
So, you will want these guys, 

1907
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,100
come on your base. 
So, if you're ever detained by 

1908
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:36,800
US forces, or any other 
Coalition Force, you were put on

1909
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,200
the tier for the watch list. 
Doesn't matter if you were 

1910
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,100
detained for four days or if you
were to chain four like, you 

1911
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:45,400
know, years If you were on this 
watch list and it was designed 

1912
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,300
to, you know, identify who you 
are tier 5. 

1913
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,900
That means like you work with 
us, but we fired you because 

1914
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:55,200
you're shady as hell. 
Like we went through your phone,

1915
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,700
there's a lot of bad news inside
there. 

1916
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,100
Do we caught you take pictures 
of the flight line? 

1917
01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:01,300
Why you have classified maps on 
you? 

1918
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:03,900
Like we would catch them, do 
countertops, you know, or are 

1919
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,700
you a con intelligence 
interviews, then be assessed 

1920
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:09,600
like no. 
Yeah, you're losing access, bam,

1921
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,500
watchlist. 
It's now he tries to go on base.

1922
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,100
Oh, he's watches to get On it 
works, right help. 

1923
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:17,600
And then tier 6, which is more 
of like we think they just got a

1924
01:25:17,608 --> 01:25:19,600
messed-up, so keep an eye on 
them and that's like, you know, 

1925
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:20,900
don't let them know whether we 
know them. 

1926
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,600
But like if you come across a 
sky, like take every note, you 

1927
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,900
can tell us what he's wearing, 
tell us where you're at, what 

1928
01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:28,000
time of the day. 
What's, he know, those kind of 

1929
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,100
things got it. 
So these dudes are all through 

1930
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:33,100
CBP, screenings, Customs, Border
Protection and, you know, 

1931
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:35,200
they're popping up on these Duty
watch list. 

1932
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,900
Well, they're also becoming off 
plus watch this because an Jake 

1933
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:40,900
back stateside. 
I think operating in concert 

1934
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:43,900
with DHS, they're taking these 
Dudes off this balance your 

1935
01:25:43,900 --> 01:25:45,100
nipple wasö. 
Watch list. 

1936
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:48,300
And it's like, okay, hold on, 
even if they're just to your 

1937
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:50,900
for, it's like, that means 
they've been detained, or they 

1938
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:53,200
were bad enough to where it's, 
like, you can't come on the 

1939
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,300
base. 
You can't get hired if you're on

1940
01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:58,100
tier 4, so you can't get a DOD 
contract and kind of stand. 

1941
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,700
So, let's say some, dude, you 
know, again, it's bad guy gets 

1942
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:02,800
rolled up. 
Not only is he denied on be on 

1943
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,300
base but you also can't enter a 
garbage cans either. 

1944
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,200
Like now screw you, you're done.
And so if it's bad enough to be 

1945
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,100
out there, why the hell we 
didn't bring him in the country?

1946
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,100
Then like this. 
This makes no sense. 

1947
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:14,300
Why is this happening? 
Are taking them off as watch 

1948
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:17,600
list. 
So right away, it's like that's 

1949
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,500
kind of bad as it is. 
Right now goes one step further.

1950
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,600
Now we get into wedding because 
screening is like, you know, you

1951
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,700
kind of look for somebody 
wedding is like, well, who are 

1952
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:29,700
you really? 
And when your wedding somebody I

1953
01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:34,400
look at it as the way you put 
somebody on the actual 

1954
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,100
terrorism, watch list and to do 
that, you have to have a few 

1955
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:40,100
things you have to have their 
identity completely, you know? 

1956
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:42,700
And so you have to have their 
biometric information thereby 

1957
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:44,100
graph. 
A confirmation name, phone, 

1958
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:46,500
number, whatever, and also like 
behavioral stuff. 

1959
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,300
Like really, who are you? 
What's your job, where you from,

1960
01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:51,500
whatever? 
Then you also have to have 

1961
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:54,700
particular, derogatory 
information with the Nexus to 

1962
01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:56,600
terrorism? 
The league of these, you know, 

1963
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,200
legally is government to you 
isn't there? 

1964
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,800
But its standard structure 
processes like, no, you can't 

1965
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,300
put anybody watch, it's got to 
be legit bad guy, who got to go 

1966
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:06,200
to prove it to these things. 
So when you put somebody on, 

1967
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:08,800
like you're looking for like all
these calipers are information, 

1968
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,100
but when they're vetting, 
somebody all they do really is 

1969
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:13,600
they check for the phone 
numbers. 

1970
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:15,500
They check for the email 
addresses. 

1971
01:27:15,500 --> 01:27:17,300
So I go have we seen this phone 
number? 

1972
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:19,400
He gave us his phone number is 
anywhere inside of our 

1973
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,400
databases. 
No you're good. 

1974
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,600
So it's a voluntary testimony of
them. 

1975
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,500
Giving us their phone numbers 
and email addresses. 

1976
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:27,100
It's like yeah, we might go to 
find more. 

1977
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:28,400
That can happen. 
That's part of the 

1978
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,100
investigation. 
That's not a wedding. 

1979
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,800
You're not really getting into 
these guys though. 

1980
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:35,300
So you're doing the biometric. 
Definitely, they're doing the 

1981
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,800
biographic somewhat. 
We're kind of learning it, but 

1982
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,000
we're not looking at All for the
behavioral, and there's some 

1983
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,400
problem. 
And then, in the meantime, you 

1984
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,000
said they're, they're removing 
people from this j-pal list from

1985
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,900
the other lists domestically 
like back home, who's they, 

1986
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,500
who's the ones that are actually
pulling this stuff off, is that 

1987
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:54,000
state department? 
So, I don't know, but they'll 

1988
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,900
know, but I don't know who did 
it because I thought there 

1989
01:27:56,900 --> 01:28:00,500
wasn't like a trail of it. 
But if you're on the the dod, 

1990
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,500
you'll watch list the by much. 
We never watch list. 

1991
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:05,000
That's the National Ground 
Intelligence Center. 

1992
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,500
I used to work there. 
I know that mission maybe DHS 

1993
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:10,900
was doing it. 
With them by being like, hey, 

1994
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:13,300
these guys came in and take them
off the fuel that could been 

1995
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:14,100
happening. 
Also. 

1996
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:16,300
But there's no way in hell that 
DOD would sit there with their 

1997
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:17,800
contract work in the governor 
employees. 

1998
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,600
They wouldn't go like, hey, this
thing is all going on 

1999
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:21,800
Afghanistan. 
Let's take all these guys off 

2000
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,500
the fuel. 
They wouldn't do that. 

2001
01:28:23,500 --> 01:28:25,300
That's not a mission, they be 
doing right? 

2002
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:27,900
So, I definitely think they were
operating in because first of 

2003
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:29,300
all, there's no money in that 
station. 

2004
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:31,000
Yeah. 
That's a proactive thing. 

2005
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,200
That's not how government works.
Anyway, like government holds 

2006
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,400
records, They Don't destroy 
records unless there's a reason 

2007
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,900
to at least that's my 
experience, I'm sure you had 

2008
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:40,400
similar correct. 
Do anybody right now going? 

2009
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,800
Like, is there an expiration 
date? 

2010
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,400
No, it's not like you're on 
their five years and no activity

2011
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:45,300
fall office. 
Not at all. 

2012
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:49,800
Your honor on, right? 
And so, so yeah, that part's 

2013
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:50,800
that. 
And then when it came to the 

2014
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,400
wedding, again, we're not 
looking at this. 

2015
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,800
Dude's of who they really are. 
And again, this is a big problem

2016
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,800
because we were there for 20 
years, like, we were really good

2017
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,100
with intelligence. 
Sure. 

2018
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:02,100
And yeah, it's hard. 
It's hard to find the guys based

2019
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:04,700
on their name because African 
names are kind of weird, like, 

2020
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:06,700
they might change in your life, 
over time. 

2021
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:09,200
It going to, who knows? 
You it's kind of strange, the 

2022
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,500
things Is though, it's like we 
dominated the battle space. 

2023
01:29:11,500 --> 01:29:15,000
We had these things called civil
Affair groups and they would go 

2024
01:29:15,008 --> 01:29:17,100
out there and they would run out
information operations. 

2025
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:19,500
They would know the the human 
terrain are very, very well. 

2026
01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:22,400
We had human train systems to 
understand these things better 

2027
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,300
to and all you gotta do is like 
okay well where's this guy from,

2028
01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:29,800
what's his village? 
And you can look up like you can

2029
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,700
literally take a many programs 
like penalty has got these 

2030
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:35,400
things. 
There's other I would say, I 

2031
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,100
wouldn't know what to call it, 
but basically, like you take a 

2032
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,600
map like Google, you draw a 
circle around it and then you In

2033
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,200
like here all the significant 
activity reports of like 

2034
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,200
firefights and bombings from 
this year to this year okay I 

2035
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:46,800
don't want those. 
I want to look for like you 

2036
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:47,900
know, information intelligence 
reports. 

2037
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:49,600
Okay cool. 
Here's some of the over here, 

2038
01:29:49,900 --> 01:29:53,100
like you can really know what's 
going on plus because all these 

2039
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:56,300
Biometrics were also geotagged. 
You can literally see the 

2040
01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:58,000
footprint of where this guy's 
been in Afghanistan. 

2041
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,700
And so it's like yeah, it would 
be slow. 

2042
01:30:00,900 --> 01:30:03,700
It would take a long time and 
that's what wedding is. 

2043
01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:05,600
It's not just like, you know, 
what's your name? 

2044
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:06,900
Which phone number? 
Which Emoji. 

2045
01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:09,000
Russ does exist, he's good to 
go. 

2046
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:11,400
So I'm going to Discount. 
Yeah, I want to show you a story

2047
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,500
that I had of one of the women 
that we dealt with. 

2048
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:16,500
I think I've said this before on
this podcast, but I had a lady 

2049
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:19,400
that we were interviewing about 
and I don't even know what the 

2050
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:20,700
context was. 
Maybe your husband was 

2051
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:22,200
supposedly beating her or 
something. 

2052
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,500
We went out for all the domestic
violence and stuff like that. 

2053
01:30:24,700 --> 01:30:27,000
So I'm dealing with this lady 
and she's got her 

2054
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:29,300
identification. 
That was issued either at Qatar 

2055
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:34,000
Ramstein and so we're looking at
it and we got interpreter there 

2056
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,600
because we've got a female 
interpreter to talk to her and 

2057
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,300
she goes you know, Ru Ru this 
name. 

2058
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,600
She says, yes and she says, and 
you're and you're 25 and she 

2059
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,200
says no. 
And she goes, well, it says 

2060
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,300
you're 25 and she's like, yeah, 
but I'm not 25. 

2061
01:30:49,900 --> 01:30:52,700
They just wrote that on my ID 
and we go. 

2062
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:58,300
Well, so I said well how old is 
she? 

2063
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,200
And she goes, I'm 23 and I was 
like ask her. 

2064
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,300
If she knows why it says she's 
25 on her ID and she's like, oh 

2065
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:07,600
yeah. 
She like it's real Animated. 

2066
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,600
She was like when I was getting 
my ID I told the lady that I was

2067
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:14,300
23 and she said, no, you're too 
tall to be 23 or 25. 

2068
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:17,500
So they wrote down, and that's 
what that is, what made it to 

2069
01:31:17,500 --> 01:31:20,300
the documents that me as an FBI 
agent was dealing with. 

2070
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,300
And so that's the level of 
scrutiny that these documents 

2071
01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:26,800
were generated with it was that 
you're too tall to be 23 for a 

2072
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,300
woman. 
So you're obviously 25 people. 

2073
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:36,400
Cannot fathom the level, like, 
the, the, the shallowness of the

2074
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,000
wedding that was going on and if
it's like, what's your phone 

2075
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:39,900
number? 
What's your name? 

2076
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:41,800
And your side of your like, man,
there's some really bad, dudes, 

2077
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,300
think I'll serif, and I'm not 
going to be Kyle seraphin. 

2078
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:49,200
I'm going to be Tyler care if in
here, like, that's it. 

2079
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,300
Like, that's who you are now. 
And then you just gotta remember

2080
01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:53,300
that a few times when they when 
you go through and remember what

2081
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:56,100
your ID says. 
And so, we got people that did 

2082
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:58,500
that, I'm sure. 
And we're able to get away with 

2083
01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:00,400
it because they all got brand 
new cell phones. 

2084
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,400
They came over, some of these 
guys were coming over with, 

2085
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,200
like, Pockets, full of cash. 
To don't know if you knew about 

2086
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:06,800
that. 
I definitely like some of the 

2087
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,000
guys, like they already empty. 
They emptied bank accounts. 

2088
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,200
They got either paid out by US 
forces, or they got, you know, 

2089
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,000
helped out in some ways. 
But some of them would come over

2090
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,700
and they'd have like, Fifteen 
twenty thousand dollars of the 

2091
01:32:15,708 --> 01:32:17,300
cash. 
And then what do they do with 

2092
01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:19,200
it? 
They're on a refugee camp, in 

2093
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:20,900
the middle of a like an army 
base in the middle of the 

2094
01:32:20,900 --> 01:32:23,400
desert. 
So they just paid for hookers. 

2095
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:27,500
It's, there were women that were
hooking on the basis which we 

2096
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:30,000
saw as well, and it's like that 
was a Commander's problem that 

2097
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,600
was not a, that was not an FBI 
problem, but they were some, you

2098
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,900
know, yeah, knock out women. 
That were trying to find 

2099
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:36,600
somebody who had some cash and 
like put their own thing 

2100
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,500
together and didn't speak any 
English. 

2101
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:40,600
But I guarantee you there's some
army guys that probably gave him

2102
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,700
a thought about making them a 
citizen here because people are 

2103
01:32:43,708 --> 01:32:45,400
people, man. 
People are still people. 

2104
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,000
Yeah, and Joe is still Joe. 
So if Joe finds a beautiful 

2105
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,400
Afghan wife, he comes here and 
wants to get smart. 

2106
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,500
I know I know you were in the 
Marine Corps but you know who 

2107
01:32:53,500 --> 01:32:57,900
Joe is? 
Yes, because you gotta love ya. 

2108
01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:00,900
The Marine Corps term of that 
is, Lance course Machiavelli. 

2109
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,400
Yes. 
Our Joe is smoke. 

2110
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,600
A tele shimoga, Tom. 
Yeah, I can do that. 

2111
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,700
By the way, with the wedding, 
please, look how bad it is. 

2112
01:33:08,700 --> 01:33:09,700
Yeah, I want you to. 
All right. 

2113
01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:12,900
So And by the way, the people 
are voting, they don't know 

2114
01:33:12,900 --> 01:33:15,000
what's going on Afghanistan. 
Like they don't understand the 

2115
01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:16,600
what has happened over. 
Yeah. 

2116
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,700
What doing personal? 
Do you haven't been there? 

2117
01:33:18,700 --> 01:33:20,100
Who are they? 
Are they contractors? 

2118
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:23,300
Are they, they D OS state, or 
what do you think? 

2119
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,800
Well, so a lot of it was done by
USCIS and I know those guys and,

2120
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,700
you know, a lot of these are 
pretty good and they're actually

2121
01:33:29,700 --> 01:33:31,400
good. 
Analyst problem is, they are 

2122
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,500
given this Mission and these, 
these parameters is say inside 

2123
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:38,100
of so, and they're also being 
told that the job done, so they 

2124
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:40,600
have to do the vetting this way 
and you've got good. 

2125
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,200
They could do a lot more but 
it's like, no. 

2126
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,600
Once you once you hit the you 
fulfilled them writing 

2127
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,100
requirements and standard 
checklist. 

2128
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:50,400
I do not it's like but there's 
more you can do guys to know 

2129
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:54,000
that. 
So one example is this and a lot

2130
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,700
of guys don't get a cent to, 
that's another problem. 

2131
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:57,800
It's like you can really 
leverage these dudes in a much 

2132
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,100
better way. 
Not all of them. 

2133
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:01,000
Some guys are just like you know
until guys because they got up 

2134
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,600
to somewhere else. 
But there was about seventy two 

2135
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,800
checkpoints like all around the 
airport of like Taliban 

2136
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,800
checkpoints. 
This is back in, they are in 

2137
01:34:10,900 --> 01:34:14,100
Kabul this back this. 
Yeah, back in Kabul, and this is

2138
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:17,300
during the evacuation, right? 
So, these are Taliban that are 

2139
01:34:17,300 --> 01:34:20,900
looking very thoroughly to find 
certain dudes. 

2140
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,000
Well, some of those guys they 
want to make sure didn't leave 

2141
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,400
or like Afghan security forces 
and typically, you can defy 

2142
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,000
those guys because they might 
have an ID on. 

2143
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,800
Well, that's easy, ditch the ID 
ma'am. 

2144
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:32,700
Okay? 
Some of these guys get down to 5

2145
01:34:32,700 --> 01:34:36,300
because they're wearing like the
Afghan National army, uniform, 

2146
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:39,200
bam. 
And so typically, you would have

2147
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:40,800
be able to get to those 
checkpoints if you're wearing 

2148
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,400
Army uniform. 
Because they're looking for it, 

2149
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:44,800
right, right. 
That checks. 

2150
01:34:44,900 --> 01:34:47,600
So, one of the, one of the guys 
that came in who ended up 

2151
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,600
Landing in. 
I think dullness, and like three

2152
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,900
weeks later, the FBI does 
investigation. 

2153
01:34:51,900 --> 01:34:53,400
Autumn turns out. 
He's a terrorist. 

2154
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,300
Well, in his, I'm going to these
guys. 

2155
01:34:57,500 --> 01:35:00,500
And I've seen his initial 
photograph, his first first, a 

2156
01:35:00,508 --> 01:35:02,800
collection we have on him for 
his Biometrics is member. 

2157
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:06,600
We know the chronological order 
of you may be coming in and it's

2158
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,000
like that's weird. 
He's wearing Afghan army 

2159
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,300
uniform, all right, whatever. 
Mike, wait a minute. 

2160
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:12,400
This guy's at these guys is he's
a terrorist. 

2161
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,500
He is a straight up on the watch
list. 

2162
01:35:14,500 --> 01:35:17,600
You know, tier one armed 
dangerous, why is he an Afghan 

2163
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,100
army uniform more thing taken at
that thing was taken in a ramps 

2164
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:23,000
on air base that guy landed in 
Germany. 

2165
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,000
Wearing that outfit. 
It's like, wait a minute. 

2166
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:27,700
Why do I not see any other 
enrollments? 

2167
01:35:27,700 --> 01:35:30,500
Don't forget if you were in the 
Afghan National Security Forces,

2168
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:33,300
you had to put down your 
fingerprints and get enrolled. 

2169
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,300
So why the hell is not pop up 
before then? 

2170
01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:39,500
This makes no sense. 
So I try a few of the variations

2171
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,800
to find them and we don't want 
it all It's like, okay, so now 

2172
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,600
the wedding analyst, he sees 
this, he doesn't have. 

2173
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,500
As he know about the information
about, you know, he got to be 

2174
01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:50,000
part of it to be a part of the 
Afghan Security Forces. 

2175
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,200
You got to go through this 
process, obviously, they didn't 

2176
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,400
know that because first thing 
you would see is how the hell 

2177
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,100
this Duke at this. 
Checkpoint wearing that. 

2178
01:35:56,300 --> 01:35:59,400
And where is it to begin with? 
Like why is this guy enrolled 

2179
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,500
previously? 
Yeah, flags all turns out with 

2180
01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:03,400
the right turns out within a few
weeks. 

2181
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,500
Oh yeah. 
Is actually a, by the way, this 

2182
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:07,800
guy is category 7, which is 
threat. 

2183
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,300
If enters the United States 
that's the banner of a cat. 

2184
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,300
Aghori seven terrorists and it's
like and we brought the guy in. 

2185
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:18,800
So now I'm sitting there going 
like, DHS isn't even 20 years 

2186
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,100
old yet? 
You know, this thing got 

2187
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:23,700
established 2003 in the wake of 
9/11 because terrorists came in 

2188
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:26,100
the country and attacked us. 
Literally the purpose that it 

2189
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:31,200
was developed for right and not 
even 20 years later, we are 

2190
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:32,900
flying. 
The terrorists from the same 

2191
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,400
that same area back over again, 
right? 

2192
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:39,500
And like, you have kidding me. 
All right? 

2193
01:36:39,500 --> 01:36:42,400
And so the failures look like 
this, like Of all, nobody should

2194
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:46,900
have been showing up in Ramstein
Air, Force Base, wearing an A 

2195
01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:49,700
and a uniform under any surprise
because they should, because 

2196
01:36:49,700 --> 01:36:52,100
they will not be telepan because
they would have been pulled off 

2197
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:53,400
by the Taliban and probably 
killed. 

2198
01:36:53,500 --> 01:36:55,700
So, the only people that came 
through, should have Misha lie. 

2199
01:36:55,700 --> 01:36:57,400
Those should have been suspect 
right away. 

2200
01:36:57,500 --> 01:37:00,200
That's a watch list number one 
for people who are paying 

2201
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:04,900
attention, but that was not us. 
And then number two, if they are

2202
01:37:04,900 --> 01:37:08,700
wearing an, a, in a uniform than
their Biometrics have to show up

2203
01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:10,800
and they have to match the name 
on the tag, and they have to 

2204
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,900
match the name on. 
The ID and everything else. 

2205
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,800
Rise otherwise that guy's a 
fake. 

2206
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,200
Yeah. 
It's it was a fake. 

2207
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:20,800
This is me, get through the 
checkpoint, maybe Taliban push 

2208
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,400
their guys through maybe Isis, 
push their guys through and this

2209
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,100
is one example. 
But how much, how many hard 

2210
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:29,200
examples did you have or was 
this, the only one example that 

2211
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,900
you can really drill down on 
that, you know, know there's so 

2212
01:37:31,900 --> 01:37:34,800
many. 
So I came across a list of 600, 

2213
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,400
like a trick. 
You know, do is ever like how 

2214
01:37:36,407 --> 01:37:39,500
these guys might be Shady. 
There's this about 600 and I 

2215
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:41,300
just kind of start going through
there and I'm already by the 

2216
01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:43,200
Interesting. 
Gatien at DHS. 

2217
01:37:43,300 --> 01:37:46,100
At this point, you're being 
investigated because you're 

2218
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:49,200
already propagation, but some go
through this list and I was 

2219
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,500
like, all right, I'm like, I'll 
look up the first like dozen or 

2220
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:55,100
so guys, so copy/paste search, 
nothing concave nothing like for

2221
01:37:55,100 --> 01:37:58,500
guys, it's like a weight that 
dude, he was a pre-party 

2222
01:37:58,500 --> 01:37:59,800
detainee. 
I was, he detained for, and I'm 

2223
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:01,500
looking up information about 
this is a bad guy. 

2224
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,600
This guy's a national security 
concern, by definitely this 

2225
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,200
dude's. 
A bad dude, and I was like, I'm 

2226
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,300
gonna go through all now. 
So I go back to the top again 

2227
01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:11,600
and I start going down, pop up. 
And I think by the time, We got 

2228
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,500
to like the 17th guy. 
He was on the loose on the watch

2229
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:17,300
list and I'm like, I'm not 
getting like, he landed. 

2230
01:38:17,300 --> 01:38:22,500
Let's say, like a 31st by like, 
September 20th or October 3rd. 

2231
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:27,200
He's already on the watch list 
and it's like, like you guys got

2232
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,500
to be kidding me. 
So out of the 600, there were, I

2233
01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:35,200
think around, I think there's 
like 35 to 50 terrorists, like, 

2234
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,300
dudes on the watch list, or 
dudes, taking off the watch 

2235
01:38:38,300 --> 01:38:40,200
list. 
Here's the 35 to 50. 

2236
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:43,100
Yeah. 
And that this is a list of six 

2237
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:47,000
hundred out of 88,000. 
So one of these guys gets to 

2238
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,100
America, he's coming in through 
the checkpoint of CBP. 

2239
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:52,100
We, you know, if you flown in 
Ashley, you got to go to the CBI

2240
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:54,800
officer and then they're like, 
oh snap. 

2241
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,700
This guy's actually the 
terrorist watch list, so they 

2242
01:38:56,700 --> 01:39:00,500
fly in back to wear. 
And then they find a key like 

2243
01:39:00,500 --> 01:39:03,500
back to like Germany or Qatar 
and then they take them off the 

2244
01:39:03,508 --> 01:39:09,300
watch list and they find out 
getting out and it's like, it's 

2245
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:11,100
like, okay who him back out to 
take. 

2246
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,200
Off the list and then brought 
him back in, right? 

2247
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,700
So it's like okay, so either 
this dude, is just okay the 

2248
01:39:17,708 --> 01:39:21,000
worse or is something or right? 
I mean, that is that's the only 

2249
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,300
possibility, right? 
So he decided to cooperate in 

2250
01:39:23,300 --> 01:39:25,300
some way with friendlies or 
something like that. 

2251
01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:28,200
So here's here's the other thing
I knew that we had a bunch of 

2252
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:29,900
guys. 
Are you familiar with the coast 

2253
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:33,200
Province Force? 
You familiar with them, KH. 

2254
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,400
Also, got a second. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

2255
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:39,000
So, Coast Coast Province force 
was like a militia group in that

2256
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,100
area that were capital. 
I don't like know these guys. 

2257
01:39:41,300 --> 01:39:44,100
But yeah, sure, sure enough. 
So they would like 35 or 40 of 

2258
01:39:44,108 --> 01:39:48,100
them that had come in from, from
coast and they come in, you 

2259
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:51,200
know, as a unit and they had 
been prior, you know, fighters 

2260
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,300
on behalf of some CIA interest. 
So some probably some gray level

2261
01:39:54,300 --> 01:40:01,900
interest and who knows, right? 
So they set up a camp in this 

2262
01:40:01,900 --> 01:40:04,600
was at Holloman, they were in 
Holloman, they had like 35, 40 

2263
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,400
dudes and they set up their own 
little Outpost, and these are 

2264
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,700
all like twenty eight forty year
old men. 

2265
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:14,800
They've all Seen combat, they're
all walking like that because 

2266
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,000
you can see they don't, you 
know, who they are. 

2267
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,200
They're different than the rest 
of these people that are hanging

2268
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,200
out with their families and 
trying to figure out like, you 

2269
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,800
know, where the toilet is. 
These guys are like, they're 

2270
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:27,300
they've they have a unit and 
they have cohesion and I guess, 

2271
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:29,400
one of the things they did was 
they decided to grab them. 

2272
01:40:29,500 --> 01:40:32,400
Do you know what chai boys are? 
Yep. 

2273
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:37,700
So they grabbed a kid who was 17
years old city kid. 

2274
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:39,800
That's old. 
That's all for driveway for 

2275
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,800
sure. 
He was young looking though and 

2276
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,700
so there's, I mean, he was so 
they grabbed him and then they 

2277
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:48,900
pulled him away from his two, 
older brothers, who were like 

2278
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:53,100
20, and 22, or 21, or 21, and 
24, or something like that. 

2279
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,600
Shove them off in Germany said, 
he's with us, took them push 

2280
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,400
them through got his ID to say 
that he was 19. 

2281
01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:04,100
Not 17. 
So now an adult by American 

2282
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:06,700
Standards fluid in the United 
States. 

2283
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,100
His brothers went to Virginia, 
where they had family. 

2284
01:41:09,100 --> 01:41:11,200
They had an uncle up there and 
that's where they ended up in 

2285
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,200
Northern Virginia. 
Landed Alison went on to the 

2286
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,300
rest, their life. 
You know, I talked to the uncle 

2287
01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:19,400
on the phone, spoke grade 
English, had a small business of

2288
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,400
some kind like a carpet 
business, maybe or something to 

2289
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,400
that effect construction, but a 
nice enough guy had been in the 

2290
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,700
country for ten years. 
Like productive member of 

2291
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:28,300
society. 
The kind of people that you 

2292
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:30,700
would hope would come over here 
and do what you would expect 

2293
01:41:30,700 --> 01:41:31,800
when you join. 
Erica. 

2294
01:41:32,300 --> 01:41:35,400
And the tube that you boys are 
with Him boys being in there, 

2295
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,600
you know, early 20s. 
This kid is gone. 

2296
01:41:37,700 --> 01:41:40,600
Just totally nobody knows what 
happened to him and the only 

2297
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,200
reason he shows up is because I 
don't know if he made an 

2298
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,200
allegation to somebody or 
someone made an allegation that 

2299
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:49,000
they had seen something happen 
and they id'd him and he sort of

2300
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,400
like indicated he might have 
been the kid. 

2301
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:54,100
But essentially these guys about
20 of them were keeping him 

2302
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:56,200
under guard at all times. 
Like, you know, five to six, 

2303
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,800
dudes were like surrounding him 
at all times, holding on to 

2304
01:41:58,808 --> 01:42:01,400
their prize, and then they would
just get him boozed up. 

2305
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:03,000
And we're taking advantage of 
him sexually. 

2306
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,800
And so you know take them to the
showers together with a couple 

2307
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,400
of dudes, whatever. 
And of course, that's of course,

2308
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:10,200
he's 17 years old and he's 19 
years old rather. 

2309
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,300
Sorry, no, he was 17 because he 
was underage. 

2310
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:16,900
So he's underage, which was the 
only saving grace in when I got 

2311
01:42:16,900 --> 01:42:21,000
in there but you know, end of 
the day he's I'm sure shockingly

2312
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,000
embarrassed and he's dealing 
with his foreign culture and 

2313
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,800
he's looking at this dude. 
He didn't know anything about me

2314
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,300
and so I'm trying to explain to 
him like I just need you to tell

2315
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:31,200
me what happened because I'm 
going to go after these guys and

2316
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:32,400
we could It out of him in the 
end. 

2317
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,900
But like I knew that he was old 
and he was young enough that he 

2318
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:37,000
was too young to be in the adult
end of the camp. 

2319
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,300
And because of that, I was able 
to pull him out and got a DHS 

2320
01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:41,000
guy and we resent him to 
Virginia. 

2321
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,400
I'm sure you'll be traumatized 
forever. 

2322
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,700
I mean, wrecked. 
You know what I mean? 

2323
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:48,900
And like, that's one little 
story of like human destruction.

2324
01:42:49,300 --> 01:42:52,600
That happened because of failure
to vet because of inaccurate 

2325
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,300
information. 
And because, you know, we took a

2326
01:42:55,308 --> 01:42:58,300
bunch of dirt balls that were in
the CIA that were in the CIA 

2327
01:42:58,300 --> 01:43:00,100
operations over there and 
brought them over. 

2328
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:02,800
And generally speaking, I say we
are on the side of bringing over

2329
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,400
our allies. 
I think those guys would have 

2330
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,000
been probably just fine if they 
stayed there too because they 

2331
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,300
seem like scumbags. 
They, they chased five Air Force

2332
01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:15,200
Security Forces members that 
were in full like battle rattle.

2333
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,400
They look sort of ridiculous, 
like a little doughy, you know, 

2334
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,200
I don't know if you know, Air 
Force Security Forces but I have

2335
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:24,200
a love-hate responsibility with 
them because I thought my God 

2336
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,000
Cooper as though, I remember 
that, you don't even want to get

2337
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,500
me started on where they got 
that Beret, because they 

2338
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:30,600
actually stole that from combat 
control back in the day. 

2339
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,600
But Um, all that being said, 
there's like, you know, six 

2340
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:40,700
armed members of our military on
us soil in an American Air Force

2341
01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:43,500
Base and these guys literally 
stalk through the streets, 

2342
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:46,800
trying to keep their kid that 
we, that we were taking and at 

2343
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,100
the end of it, what happened 
was? 

2344
01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:50,200
And I'm I'm kind of a funny, 
dude. 

2345
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,700
So, like everyone, I went out to
the Indian Reservation. 

2346
01:43:52,700 --> 01:43:55,800
Whenever I went out to these 
these, these two camps, I always

2347
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,800
have a, I've got a white 
Stetson, it's a straw stats in 

2348
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,600
for work because I sweat through
it all the time. 

2349
01:44:01,100 --> 01:44:05,300
And I've Got some Justin All 
American cowboy boots and so I 

2350
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,800
would wear my Stetson and I wear
my boots and I wear jeans and I 

2351
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,500
wear it open pistol rig. 
And so, that's what I'm in. 

2352
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,600
Like, you know, like attacked 
please please tell me and you 

2353
01:44:13,608 --> 01:44:15,400
could lie to me. 
It was a revolver, right? 

2354
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:16,700
I do have a revolver. 
Second. 

2355
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:18,900
I say, yes. 
So I've got a 44 mag version of 

2356
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:20,100
that. 
That's like nine inches of 

2357
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:22,900
Western justice, but I don't 
wear that on duty so I didn't 

2358
01:44:22,900 --> 01:44:24,700
wear that on the pretty good 
thing, but I'm wearing like 

2359
01:44:24,700 --> 01:44:25,700
lock. 
And I'm wearing my stuff and I 

2360
01:44:25,708 --> 01:44:29,300
got my badge and all this stuff.
And so yeah. 

2361
01:44:29,300 --> 01:44:31,300
So we're walking through. 
I go get the Kid. 

2362
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:36,000
And we you know witness victim 
interview interpreter, the whole

2363
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,700
deal. 
I tell them to go back with him 

2364
01:44:37,700 --> 01:44:42,100
with the was I think the first 
sergeant goes with me and we go 

2365
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,100
and we gather all the kids stuff
up and I'm like I'm not gonna 

2366
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:45,500
leave your side and I'm not 
gonna let anyone touch you 

2367
01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:46,800
again. 
Like you're you're done with 

2368
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,300
these dudes. 
I'd almost swear right now, but 

2369
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:51,700
I don't feel good about any of 
those clowns. 

2370
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,900
So we get all this stuff, he 
starts leaving First Sergeant's 

2371
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:57,500
with him. 
Got the armed guard and we get 

2372
01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:59,900
this like mob following us. 
Like I said, probably like a 

2373
01:44:59,900 --> 01:45:03,900
half-dozen and growing Owing and
I turned to the first sergeant 

2374
01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:05,800
and I was like I was like Hey 
sure just get him out of here. 

2375
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,800
You take him. 
Take your security forces and 

2376
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,600
get out of here. 
Take a more needs to go and I'm 

2377
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,700
going to stand here and I just 
stood in the middle of street, 

2378
01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:17,000
like, like a gunfighter, look, 
you're just like a complete and 

2379
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,300
I just looked at him and they're
grinning at me because these 

2380
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:23,600
guys aren't scared of much, you 
know, and, and I kind of gave 

2381
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,000
one of these things. 
Like, I just kind of gave him 

2382
01:45:25,008 --> 01:45:27,300
the eyes, you know, and, and 
they're kind of like chuckling 

2383
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:28,900
at it. 
And I don't think they 

2384
01:45:28,900 --> 01:45:30,400
understood English. 
And if they did, they weren't 

2385
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,700
gonna let on to it and He said 
something to the effect of I was

2386
01:45:32,700 --> 01:45:34,500
like if you keep following this 
boy, I'm going to shoot you dead

2387
01:45:34,500 --> 01:45:37,400
in the middle of this base, you 
know, and I just stood there for

2388
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,700
about eight minutes, you know, 
until they got away and then I 

2389
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:43,800
kind of did a like a slow about 
face and walked off and that was

2390
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,000
the end of it for them, but 
these guys were totally unfazed 

2391
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,200
by being in our country and they
have no interest in following, 

2392
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,100
you know, they brought their 
culture. 

2393
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:54,000
So, not not concerned in the 
least because they know exactly 

2394
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,400
who generally speaking Americans
are and that that was their 

2395
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,700
experience when they got to the 
camp. 

2396
01:45:57,700 --> 01:45:59,600
And of course, in the meantime 
they've got like they had a 

2397
01:45:59,608 --> 01:46:01,800
couple of agency dudes that were
on the base that we're Like 

2398
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,600
giving them stuff and, you know,
hooking them up with new things 

2399
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,200
and, you know, new phones and 
cash and whatever else and they 

2400
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:08,300
weren't even supposed to be on 
the base. 

2401
01:46:08,300 --> 01:46:11,500
But I mean people don't 
understand how crazy these these

2402
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:14,700
bases were. 
They were many foreign 

2403
01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:17,700
territories because we had 
10,000 foreign Nationals that 

2404
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:19,800
were as you mentioned very very 
poorly vetted. 

2405
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:24,400
We had dozens of government 
agencies in there from DIA to 

2406
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:28,500
CIA to you know FBI to probably 
some NSA posts. 

2407
01:46:28,500 --> 01:46:32,000
There was every branch of the 
Armed Forces and There until 

2408
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,800
branches. 
We're all set up in these big 

2409
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,400
Huts so we'd go into like to 
come on the comms Billy and 

2410
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:40,000
you'd literally look at their be
150 people in a big tent, you 

2411
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,300
know, and everybody had to 
little Enclave of what they were

2412
01:46:42,300 --> 01:46:44,800
doing and some people had maps 
and some people were, you know, 

2413
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,700
organizing Red Cross. 
And some people were trying to 

2414
01:46:46,708 --> 01:46:49,100
figure out how to get people, 
you know, clothing or food or 

2415
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:50,400
you don't organize the 
logistics. 

2416
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,800
And some people were over here, 
doing the ghs Smithson and doing

2417
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,800
wedding, and trying to figure 
out, who's who, I mean? 

2418
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:56,600
It was insane. 
They had human sources that were

2419
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,500
being reported in the a debrief 
rooms that they were bringing in

2420
01:46:59,500 --> 01:47:01,900
their sources that it was. 
It was in Insane. 

2421
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,200
I have to imagine it was like 
the end of a war on the other 

2422
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,500
end and we just brought it here 
and we did the end of the work 

2423
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:10,300
here basically. 
Yeah. 

2424
01:47:10,700 --> 01:47:15,300
And and and that's how you end 
up with minimum dozens. 

2425
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:17,600
But I mean, how comfortable 
would you say if you said you 

2426
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:21,100
saw about 8%, looks like right 
8% of the of the 600, you looked

2427
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:24,300
at you think that held across 
the bigger even if it was five 

2428
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:28,800
percent of 88,000, No because 
I'm looking at this in like 

2429
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,600
February and they were still 
adding. 

2430
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,000
And so these guys are looking up
and on the watch list and 

2431
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,800
they're getting put on like a 
few days prior. 

2432
01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:38,900
So know I'm short ending this 
thing when I say like 35 to 50 

2433
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:41,900
that's out of 600. 
Now it's important in this to 

2434
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,200
that is the national the 
terrorist watch list, which 

2435
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,500
again has a high threshold to 
get odd, right? 

2436
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:51,000
Doesn't include the other bad 
guys on the dod by maternal 

2437
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,100
watch list. 
And the sad part is there are 

2438
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,400
people at DHS that like, oh 
that's just the dod of you'll 

2439
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:57,600
it's like, yeah. 
These are the guys that were bad

2440
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,100
guys in Afghanistan. 
They're going to be bad guys 

2441
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:02,000
here, too. 
Let's like this not hard and 

2442
01:48:02,900 --> 01:48:04,500
enough. 
So if I was to give a number out

2443
01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:07,600
of the 88,000, I'd say at least 
five thousand give or take 

2444
01:48:07,900 --> 01:48:09,900
minimum. 
But here's the crazy part 

2445
01:48:09,900 --> 01:48:11,300
though. 
So even dudes on the terrorist 

2446
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:13,700
watchlist, they're not all just 
category 7 like, thread it 

2447
01:48:13,708 --> 01:48:14,800
through the United States, 
right? 

2448
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,800
And all Category 3, like, 
remember the reduces down there?

2449
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,300
There were like collections, 
they were like Intelligence 

2450
01:48:20,300 --> 01:48:21,500
Officers. 
We had one guy. 

2451
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:24,500
I know is category 15. 
He actually used explosives or 

2452
01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:26,100
Firearms, so he's a natural 
fighter. 

2453
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,900
But there was also recruiters, 
they were religious leaders, 

2454
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:31,100
they're all kinds of categories 
of these dudes on the watch list

2455
01:48:31,700 --> 01:48:34,700
and it's like, okay there's no 
way that they're all just hang 

2456
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:38,000
around the airport. 
Like this was I think a effort 

2457
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,500
by them to get into the country,
to do, whatever to just continue

2458
01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:43,400
operations because that's still 
their goal is to bring down the 

2459
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,600
United States. 
They still want to attack us but

2460
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,500
your terrorism right. 
Even though it's been 20 years 

2461
01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:50,000
since 9/11 or whatever the time.
So it doesn't matter. 

2462
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:53,000
They have an interest in 
defeating us and we jacked up 

2463
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,700
layers, we jacked up their 
territory for two decades. 

2464
01:48:56,900 --> 01:48:58,900
Yeah, we test them. 
Yeah we just said The Hornet's 

2465
01:48:58,900 --> 01:49:00,800
Nest and just kept throwing 
rocks at it, it's like, yeah, 

2466
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,900
when it's gonna happen now what 
were you aware that people once 

2467
01:49:04,900 --> 01:49:07,600
they got to these bases, whether
it was in Dover, I think there 

2468
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,000
was one, there was definitely 
one of Delaware somewhere and 

2469
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,400
one of my buddies was the XO 
there. 

2470
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:14,200
And then, you know, we had the 
two that were in my area. 

2471
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:16,700
There was probably like six or 
seven time across the country. 

2472
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,400
Were you familiar with the fact 
that they could just walk off 

2473
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:21,400
but they didn't have to check in
or with anybody that they 

2474
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,300
literally could just walk. 
Did you know that? 

2475
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:25,300
No. 
Are you serious? 

2476
01:49:25,300 --> 01:49:28,400
So we had several hundred. 
No that's not exaggerating. 

2477
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:32,500
I think like somewhere between 
two and four hundred when I was 

2478
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:35,500
paying attention to it before. 
I was unceremoniously removed 

2479
01:49:35,500 --> 01:49:39,300
from my abilities to be part of 
the FBI's operations but we had 

2480
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:44,000
several hundred who literally 
just walked off grabbed an Uber 

2481
01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:47,400
and they're gone and just gone 
wherever. 

2482
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,400
Yeah, because it was because 
they weren't being, they weren't

2483
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:51,300
being detained. 
So they weren't under guard. 

2484
01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:53,500
They literally could walk down 
the road call. 

2485
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:56,300
And Uber as long as it didn't go
through the, you know, through 

2486
01:49:56,300 --> 01:49:58,200
the Army checkpoint, but they 
could walk around the 

2487
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,700
checkpoint, which would take 10 
feet. 

2488
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,100
Like, the Army was not 
authorized to stop them from 

2489
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:05,700
leaving the base and neither 
were the, it was a little bit 

2490
01:50:05,700 --> 01:50:08,700
harder at Holloman because 
Holloman, just the geographic 

2491
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:10,500
location of it. 
It's much more structured and 

2492
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:13,900
the camp was deep into the 
actual base. 

2493
01:50:13,900 --> 01:50:17,600
We had to actually walk through 
the entire Air Force Base, which

2494
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,900
is a little bit daunting. 
I think, for a lot of people but

2495
01:50:19,900 --> 01:50:23,200
for Fort Bliss, where it was, it
was on its own section out, 

2496
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:24,700
where the shooting range. 
Ange is where they basically 

2497
01:50:24,700 --> 01:50:26,100
just set up this like, Tent 
City. 

2498
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,300
And so, it was all by itself. 
There was a road, that went 

2499
01:50:29,300 --> 01:50:31,900
through there normally, but it 
was cut off to normal traffic 

2500
01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:34,300
and you got turned around if you
were like a truck or something 

2501
01:50:34,300 --> 01:50:37,200
but it cuts, literally from El 
Paso, like all the way into the 

2502
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:40,300
center part of of White Sands 
which is kind of deep in the 

2503
01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:42,300
heart of the southern part of 
New Mexico. 

2504
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,300
So you can literally roll all 
the way through and they just 

2505
01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:48,100
shut that off. 
But you could walk from the 

2506
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:50,600
camps, it would have taken you 
15 minutes. 

2507
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,300
To just end up on a road and you
could have called an Uber if you

2508
01:50:54,308 --> 01:50:56,900
knew what you were doing and 
then some people walk North 

2509
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,500
maybe like 15 miles or 20 mile 
honesty. 

2510
01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:02,000
If you walk 30 miles, you would 
have got to my house because I 

2511
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,000
was 26 miles north like through 
a little mountain pass. 

2512
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:09,300
And you literally would end up 
right in my neighborhood. 

2513
01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:12,400
Which was if you kept walking, 
like when I went on the hikes 

2514
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,700
that I used to go, you could 
walk up to the fence and it was 

2515
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:16,700
like, you know, by Commander 
thought of the Holloman Air 

2516
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:17,900
Force Base. 
You can't go here and then if 

2517
01:51:17,907 --> 01:51:19,900
you turned around and you went 
like three hundred yards, the 

2518
01:51:19,900 --> 01:51:21,900
other way it would be like, you 
know, By order of the White 

2519
01:51:21,900 --> 01:51:23,500
Sands Missile Range. 
Commander, you can't go here and

2520
01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:26,400
you're like, dude, like neither 
of these things are even close. 

2521
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,700
I mean they're miles and miles 
and miles and a mountain range 

2522
01:51:28,700 --> 01:51:31,400
on the other end of it. 
But those were all US Army and 

2523
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:35,000
US Air Force property. 
But for whatever reason, you, 

2524
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,400
these people just walked off 
literally hundreds of them from 

2525
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:39,200
the camps that I'm aware of. 
And like I said, they were five 

2526
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,400
or six and that was in a very, 
very small amount of time. 

2527
01:51:42,300 --> 01:51:45,100
So really quick, it's just 
replacing out with that. 

2528
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:48,500
So, these are dudes that were 
They knew they can get off. 

2529
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,200
Yep, they did. 
And they knew how to like get 

2530
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:52,900
out of there. 
So like, you know, do an Uber 

2531
01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:57,000
right? 
Okay, so, Who would have that 

2532
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,400
ability to know, all those kind 
of things, might either dudes, 

2533
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,000
that know this system. 
And there are they've maybe been

2534
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,500
here before, maybe they're kind 
of westernized. 

2535
01:52:02,500 --> 01:52:04,400
Okay. 
Got family guys going to be 

2536
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:05,500
brave enough. 
Yeah. 

2537
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:07,500
But are they gonna be brave 
enough to violate the know what 

2538
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:09,600
they're doing is wrong? 
So I know is that they're trying

2539
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,900
to escape, you know, whatever. 
I think they're going to try to 

2540
01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:15,100
maybe follow the process has to 
go through it ever. 

2541
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:17,200
Not all of them, may be sure but
it's like, no. 

2542
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,600
Because in theory there was 
like, some sort of paperwork you

2543
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:20,700
would get at the end of this, 
right? 

2544
01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:23,500
I mean, that's the goal, like 
they stuck around and then State

2545
01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:26,800
Department or CIS. 
I guess we probably the one like

2546
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,100
you get parolee number. 
You get paperwork, you get 

2547
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:32,400
access to money, authorization, 
card work, authorization, only 

2548
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,100
things. 
These people abandoned school 

2549
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:36,800
together, All right. 
So then it's like okay so then 

2550
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,800
who would want to get hell out 
of there as fast as you can even

2551
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,300
though they have all these good 
things coming your way. 

2552
01:52:40,300 --> 01:52:41,700
It's like probably guys are bad 
guys. 

2553
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,200
I'm sorry if there's 100, I 
would say there's 12. 

2554
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:47,900
You know, I mean it's like it's 
just there's no way it's just a 

2555
01:52:47,907 --> 01:52:51,000
numbers game. 
That makes exactly. 

2556
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:52,400
It's just that point. 
It's like there's so many now. 

2557
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:55,100
You can, you can make a just 
Nepali that money, easy? 

2558
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:59,300
Yeah, statistical, statistical, 
smattering of once you start 

2559
01:52:59,300 --> 01:53:02,700
looking at it you know the 
roughly 100,000 people that came

2560
01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:05,300
in here knowing that. 
So you didn't know that before 

2561
01:53:05,300 --> 01:53:08,700
you and I just talked right now.
How does that make you more or 

2562
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:11,600
less worried? 
Hey mrs. 

2563
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,100
Moore. 
But it's like, why am I shocked 

2564
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:15,600
Aaron? 
It's like, we have, of course. 

2565
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:17,900
That happened. 
Of course, that happened by my 

2566
01:53:17,900 --> 01:53:19,600
shots. 
That's my fault. 

2567
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:24,100
Actually that you're shocked. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2568
01:53:24,300 --> 01:53:28,700
And it's something, it's truly 
nuts to think that, well, I 

2569
01:53:28,700 --> 01:53:30,700
think this is because we had so 
many different government 

2570
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:33,900
entities that were involved in. 
Nobody owned any process of it. 

2571
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,700
So everybody was like, not me 
literally, when I showed up 

2572
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:37,700
there doing my job. 
Yeah. 

2573
01:53:37,700 --> 01:53:39,600
They'd be like, hey FBI, like 
come in and do this thing. 

2574
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,500
And it's like, what do we Doing 
and they're like, somebody got 

2575
01:53:41,500 --> 01:53:43,400
into a fight in the tent and 
it's like what happened there. 

2576
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,300
Like, they kicked your shin 
really hard and she has a bruise

2577
01:53:46,900 --> 01:53:51,400
and I'm like, Okay. 
Is she bleeding still? 

2578
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:53,400
And they're like, no, it's just 
a bruise. 

2579
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,800
And I'm like, the only thing 
that made sense is that I worked

2580
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,000
on the Indian Reservation where 
that sort of absurdity would 

2581
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:03,200
like, normally, that would come 
in and you go, is the leg broken

2582
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:06,700
off permanently because that's 
our standard, like, unless they 

2583
01:54:06,700 --> 01:54:10,400
no longer are able to use that 
limb like kicking somebody in 

2584
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:14,100
the shin doesn't count. 
Unless they're you've lost limb 

2585
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:17,400
or function of limb permanently 
or at least for a long period of

2586
01:54:17,407 --> 01:54:20,100
time. 
No, you know, you break a face, 

2587
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:23,200
you facial fractures on a punch.
Maybe we'll go in for those kind

2588
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,500
of things that's actually like 
not even that easy. 

2589
01:54:25,500 --> 01:54:27,700
But we had an agreement of like 
what we could and couldn't go 

2590
01:54:27,700 --> 01:54:29,600
and investigate that the locals 
would deal with. 

2591
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:30,900
So oh yeah. 
Yeah. 

2592
01:54:30,900 --> 01:54:33,900
And it was like, it was very 
specific and we rarely ever got 

2593
01:54:33,900 --> 01:54:36,400
there, like it had to be death 
or serious physical injury. 

2594
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,700
Which is pretty narrowly defined
under federal law to. 

2595
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:42,400
So that was like, what we could 
go do. 

2596
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:44,800
They had local police 
departments for for the Indian 

2597
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,300
reservation and then when we 
were dealing with the Afghan 

2598
01:54:47,300 --> 01:54:49,100
refugee camps, it's not like 
anybody was dying. 

2599
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,000
So, sexual assault would have 
been our game because that's 

2600
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,600
pretty straightforward, but then
it would have had to been a like

2601
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:58,500
a really aggressive aggressive 
beating and we had a couple 

2602
01:54:58,500 --> 01:55:00,700
guys, I got to end up like one, 
dude, I guess he went over some 

2603
01:55:00,700 --> 01:55:03,300
chick and he said, hey, you're 
my wife right now and then she 

2604
01:55:03,300 --> 01:55:06,100
was like I don't want to be a 
wife and he was like no by our 

2605
01:55:06,100 --> 01:55:08,900
customs like you're my wife. 
And she was like, I don't think 

2606
01:55:08,900 --> 01:55:10,200
so, so she wouldn't talk to the 
elders. 

2607
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:13,300
And then like, six, dudes, tuned
him up, explain to him that he's

2608
01:55:13,300 --> 01:55:17,100
not able to take this wife. 
I mean, actually, I'm kind of 

2609
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:19,600
like, fair enough. 
Like, you know, like, I don't 

2610
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:21,000
know what you try. 
I don't know what your system 

2611
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,500
is, but it sounds like you 
straighten him out. 

2612
01:55:22,500 --> 01:55:23,500
I don't really want to deal with
this. 

2613
01:55:23,500 --> 01:55:25,800
I don't even. 
That's results. 

2614
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:29,100
Yeah yeah the result is you know
and then it was on an army base.

2615
01:55:29,100 --> 01:55:32,400
So what do we do with that than 
the Commander's kind of like we 

2616
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:34,300
gave them a warning and told 
them not to beat up people 

2617
01:55:34,300 --> 01:55:36,300
anymore and we're like yeah 
that's good. 

2618
01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:37,400
But I mean that sounds 
reasonable. 

2619
01:55:37,900 --> 01:55:40,400
Don't beat up people but nobody 
got a briefing. 

2620
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,700
When they came over to like what
are the laws of this country? 

2621
01:55:42,900 --> 01:55:45,300
What do you behold into? 
So they don't know. 

2622
01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:46,700
That's the other big thing we 
talked about. 

2623
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:48,800
So forget about like the people 
that are actually here to cause 

2624
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,400
brought problems, how about the 
people that don't understand our

2625
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:54,200
cultural norms and got no 
briefing on it at all none. 

2626
01:55:54,500 --> 01:56:00,100
So There are these things that 
states do but they can, like, do

2627
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:01,900
a familiarity. 
They can just call translation 

2628
01:56:01,900 --> 01:56:03,800
they reach out to like new 
refugees, whatever. 

2629
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:05,200
The hey, by the way, your 
America now. 

2630
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:10,000
So we are so I reached out to 
one of the states that was, you 

2631
01:56:10,008 --> 01:56:12,100
know, is living in and I was 
like, hideous. 

2632
01:56:12,100 --> 01:56:15,500
Why like some briefing material?
I'm like Afghan culture on with 

2633
01:56:15,500 --> 01:56:18,200
these guys have gone through on,
you know, being past June, 

2634
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:21,300
versus whatever, and then they 
were like, yeah, because we do 

2635
01:56:21,300 --> 01:56:22,400
not have a lot of Afghans out 
here. 

2636
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:25,000
So I was like, yeah, let me take
out of you that work. 

2637
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:27,400
Hey, work. 
Like here's the, you know, the 

2638
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,500
state entity over here, I'm 
trying to help them out, and 

2639
01:56:29,500 --> 01:56:32,400
whatever, can you give me some, 
my briefing materials that like,

2640
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:35,200
you know, I won't give it to. 
I'll just give it a, like, 

2641
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:36,500
literally transfer him. 
I'm not gonna brief them. 

2642
01:56:36,508 --> 01:56:39,200
But like, you know, can I just 
help them out there like? 

2643
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:43,900
No, that's not your job to run. 
It's just like again, like I'm 

2644
01:56:43,900 --> 01:56:46,100
hearing it again. 
This is the nature of how it 

2645
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:48,200
works. 
It's just, this is, this is the 

2646
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:51,400
real status though of how our 
government operates on that 

2647
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:53,900
level. 
So yeah, it was kind of setting.

2648
01:56:54,300 --> 01:56:57,900
I think this is a good kind of 
final topic to kind of end on 

2649
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:02,100
but it should explain to people 
like the dysfunction as you 

2650
01:57:02,108 --> 01:57:04,100
mentioned. 
You shouldn't be surprised even 

2651
01:57:04,100 --> 01:57:08,100
though you are and like the the 
depths of the stupidity should 

2652
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:12,500
not ever surprise us, kind of 
like the depths of like what I 

2653
01:57:12,500 --> 01:57:15,600
always do it's like what what's 
a good hook is where that come 

2654
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:19,000
from right, you know, because we
have this like innate belief 

2655
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:21,800
that one people are mission 
focused and to that people want 

2656
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:23,800
to do their job. 
And we Enough people that are, 

2657
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,000
that's the real thing. 
I think this is the reason why 

2658
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:29,200
then coming after you for the 
child trafficking situation, the

2659
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:32,800
FBI coming after me. 
It's the same surprise because 

2660
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:36,700
you're like, wait, I thought we 
were all in the team to do the 

2661
01:57:36,700 --> 01:57:39,400
right thing here. 
I'm just doing what I think is, 

2662
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:40,600
right? 
Even if that even if you 

2663
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:43,000
disagree with me and there's 
like some consequences for it, 

2664
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,500
that's okay. 
Just be honest about it and then

2665
01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:49,700
we can all still be friends not 
when you go about it dishonestly

2666
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:51,400
or when you go like sorry that's
not my job. 

2667
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:54,800
I don't actually do citizenship 
and Immigration Services that's 

2668
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,700
just the name of the agency. 
What I do is this very narrow 

2669
01:57:57,700 --> 01:58:02,100
box so I used to tell people 
that but there's a parable for 

2670
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:03,000
this. 
You ready for this? 

2671
01:58:03,900 --> 01:58:08,300
Oh yeah, you'll like this. 
There's a parable of the 

2672
01:58:08,900 --> 01:58:11,000
stonecutters. 
Okay, so, man's walking down the

2673
01:58:11,008 --> 01:58:15,800
road and he sees these men and 
they are cutting Stone. 

2674
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:19,000
And there's a cathedral being 
built, like, in the, whatever, 

2675
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:21,300
in the city. 
And so he knows about this and 

2676
01:58:21,300 --> 01:58:22,900
he asked the first guy. 
He goes, what do you know? 

2677
01:58:22,900 --> 01:58:24,400
What are you doing? 
And he goes, well, I'm a stone 

2678
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:27,100
cutter. 
And, you know, I am chipping 

2679
01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:32,800
away at exactly this size block.
And I'm, you know, just these 

2680
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:36,400
specific dimensions and so on 
and that's what I'm generating. 

2681
01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:41,800
And he's like, oh, okay, and so 
that he asked the other guy and 

2682
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:43,500
he goes, you know, what are you 
doing? 

2683
01:58:43,500 --> 01:58:45,100
And he's like, well, I'm on a 
team, we're building a 

2684
01:58:45,108 --> 01:58:48,200
cathedral. 
And we have a lot of the, like 

2685
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,100
stonecutters that are just 
really interested in like, 

2686
01:58:50,100 --> 01:58:52,700
cutting the block exactly to the
specifications that they're 

2687
01:58:52,700 --> 01:58:54,900
interested in, right? 
I think there's three stone 

2688
01:58:54,900 --> 01:58:56,100
cutters but I can't remember the
third right now. 

2689
01:58:56,100 --> 01:59:00,200
So you lose part of the, parable
off the text, it to you, but a 

2690
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:03,100
lot of people are cutting that 
stone to hit the exact metrics. 

2691
01:59:03,100 --> 01:59:04,900
It's like these are the 
checklist things that I do. 

2692
01:59:04,900 --> 01:59:07,700
I only vet as far as I need to 
go and I don't do any further. 

2693
01:59:08,700 --> 01:59:10,900
And then there's the people that
are on the team that you and I 

2694
01:59:10,900 --> 01:59:13,600
are on, and it's like, well, I'm
I'm on the team that cuts the 

2695
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,600
stone, but like, if you need me 
to carry it, that I'm going to 

2696
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,800
carry it. 
And if we're going to hoist it, 

2697
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,200
or you need me to mix mortar to 
like I'm on the team is building

2698
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:23,700
a cathedral so probably just 
because I have a skill set 

2699
01:59:23,700 --> 01:59:27,600
doesn't mean we don't do more. 
We have that one as analysts 

2700
01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:31,200
similar you have gophers or so 
you have groundhogs and you've 

2701
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:34,500
got foxes, okay? 
Like Groundhog's Day, know a lot

2702
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:37,100
about a little, they go deep but
it like this. 

2703
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:38,200
Yeah. 
But Fox is they kind of hop 

2704
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,200
around They know a lot about a 
little, they know a little about

2705
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:42,000
a lot of stuff though. 
So I can jack of all trades. 

2706
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,500
Yeah. 
And that's problem with the 

2707
01:59:44,500 --> 01:59:47,500
specialization of, you know, 
like government function, you 

2708
01:59:47,500 --> 01:59:49,500
want to get like the best 
whatever they want to get. 

2709
01:59:49,500 --> 01:59:51,300
People will stay in that crap 
for a long time. 

2710
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:58,200
And yeah, you're saying spot on 
though is like, it's so it's so,

2711
01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:02,900
obviously compartmented but like
tunneled or it's like I only do 

2712
02:00:02,900 --> 02:00:05,200
this. 
I do this form eyes. 

2713
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:07,500
Rigid questions. 1 through 6. 
Yep. 

2714
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:10,000
And it's Like, yeah. 
But did you understand that 

2715
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,200
question? 
17 needs your input better for 

2716
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,400
this thing is like, know why am 
I doing that? 

2717
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:15,900
I didn't touch it. 
I did it already. 

2718
02:00:15,900 --> 02:00:20,900
Yeah, when you're rigid and 
you're right as you get deeper 

2719
02:00:20,900 --> 02:00:23,900
in that tunnel, you have less 
wiggle room because you can only

2720
02:00:23,900 --> 02:00:27,900
go down and you can you can go 
up but you can't go depth. 

2721
02:00:27,900 --> 02:00:31,700
But if you're shallow you can 
kind of keep pushing outward and

2722
02:00:31,700 --> 02:00:33,800
have more and you need both to 
be fair, right? 

2723
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,000
I mean we could we would agree 
with that and you have to have a

2724
02:00:36,008 --> 02:00:39,300
good mix of those but without 
that mix you get Either rigidity

2725
02:00:39,300 --> 02:00:41,700
or maximum flexibility where it 
never gets the mission done. 

2726
02:00:41,700 --> 02:00:44,900
But you can't do both. 
And unfortunately, we either 

2727
02:00:44,900 --> 02:00:48,800
hire one or the other type, like
I find like until shops tend to 

2728
02:00:48,808 --> 02:00:51,200
be very compartmentalized. 
It's like, we're all, we're all 

2729
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:54,100
deep diggers like what you call 
them groundhogs run? 

2730
02:00:54,100 --> 02:00:57,600
Alex, we're all groundhogs here,
or everyone's a fox and like, 

2731
02:00:57,700 --> 02:01:00,300
but like the foxes, don't know, 
every single thing you need to 

2732
02:01:00,300 --> 02:01:01,000
know. 
When you get to the deep 

2733
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:04,100
subject, you don't have that guy
and you really need people that 

2734
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:05,800
are moving around. 
You need both like that. 

2735
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:07,600
Like so many things, the answer 
is both. 

2736
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,200
And that's not how government 
hiring works. 

2737
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:13,900
It turns out and it's not how 
government missions tend to 

2738
02:01:13,900 --> 02:01:16,100
work. 
They get what they call siloed, 

2739
02:01:16,200 --> 02:01:19,700
right? 
Oh, very smart mented, siloed. 

2740
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:21,600
And then people get rigid in 
their and they're thinking, and 

2741
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:24,600
they're not flexible. 
And then if you're not, if your 

2742
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:28,400
job is stonecutter, and your job
is not part of the cathedral 

2743
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,900
team, then you're not going to 
go above me on which is why you 

2744
02:01:31,900 --> 02:01:33,600
found a problem. 
Maybe it's why I found a problem

2745
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:39,800
maybe because my my people are 
always team people and and your,

2746
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,200
that's what matters. 
Well, and your empathy towards 

2747
02:01:42,200 --> 02:01:44,100
the guys that were out there in 
the fa, bringing them stuff, 

2748
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:45,900
that's a team mentality. 
It's like, look, we're all on 

2749
02:01:45,907 --> 02:01:48,600
the same team and your team and 
your situation sucks right now 

2750
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:50,100
and mine is like marginally 
better. 

2751
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,500
And and it's a very Christian 
thing to do. 

2752
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:56,300
Well, come full circle with this
is to what is the team need from

2753
02:01:56,300 --> 02:02:00,900
me to give a you know, like give
to others it ends up being the 

2754
02:02:00,900 --> 02:02:02,700
right thing for the mission. 
It's the right thing for them 

2755
02:02:02,700 --> 02:02:04,400
and it's the right thing for you
because it feels good to be part

2756
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:07,200
of the team that's winning. 
And if you don't do those 

2757
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:09,400
things, I mean a lot of these 
There's a reason why Western 

2758
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:12,200
Society is built on Christian 
ideology and Christian 

2759
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:15,700
understandings because if you 
don't do those things everything

2760
02:02:15,700 --> 02:02:17,600
sucks a little bit more and you 
end up with a bunch of 

2761
02:02:17,608 --> 02:02:21,100
terrorists running around 
waiting for something to blow up

2762
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:24,700
in our country right now, which 
is where we're living, which is 

2763
02:02:24,700 --> 02:02:27,900
such a crazy thing to think 
about and that's the crazy part 

2764
02:02:27,900 --> 02:02:30,300
two is because it's like there's
already this all those border 

2765
02:02:30,300 --> 02:02:32,700
being wide open and it's like we
know you've got the 

2766
02:02:32,708 --> 02:02:34,100
transnational crime milk coming 
in. 

2767
02:02:34,300 --> 02:02:36,500
We know there's Terrace, coming 
in I can guarantee you now 

2768
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:39,500
because it before in the You 
know, the old days of 

2769
02:02:39,500 --> 02:02:42,500
immigration like spice and 
foreign actors and foreign 

2770
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:44,700
intelligence, they had a like 
wiggle their way through the 

2771
02:02:44,700 --> 02:02:46,500
immigration at worked and they 
might get caught. 

2772
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,400
It said no now you can go across
border claim, Asylum and that 

2773
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:50,700
you are protected. 
You're not in the game. 

2774
02:02:50,700 --> 02:02:52,100
You're good actually. 
Yep. 

2775
02:02:53,700 --> 02:02:57,900
Yeah. 
It's is its, it sucks being in 

2776
02:02:57,900 --> 02:03:00,500
it and it sucks looking back on 
it as you know, it still exists 

2777
02:03:01,100 --> 02:03:04,400
but that's the worst part two is
like, you know, when you try to 

2778
02:03:04,407 --> 02:03:07,800
explain to people like just how 
bad it is and just like not 

2779
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,500
without being on. 
We'll be in it like you know big

2780
02:03:09,500 --> 02:03:11,700
do more guy but it's like no 
guys. 

2781
02:03:11,700 --> 02:03:14,200
It's like it's you know it's bad
but it's like but it is really 

2782
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:16,900
worse than a systemic level. 
It's like you try to get the 

2783
02:03:16,900 --> 02:03:20,200
people understand and it's like 
it's hard because it's a lot of 

2784
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:22,700
information and sometimes he was
kind of like know who would they

2785
02:03:22,700 --> 02:03:25,300
start checking out and you know,
where they're gonna say you want

2786
02:03:25,300 --> 02:03:27,100
some pies to start failing on 
you? 

2787
02:03:27,700 --> 02:03:28,900
They just can't handle a 
everybody. 

2788
02:03:28,900 --> 02:03:32,800
If people talk to me about like 
you know, I don't know, science 

2789
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:36,200
stuff like you know, it happens,
everybody know you're right? 

2790
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:40,700
It's upsetting though, because 
that is the nature of government

2791
02:03:40,700 --> 02:03:42,900
though, especially with the way 
we perceive the hiring process, 

2792
02:03:42,900 --> 02:03:45,400
and that goes on so many 
different levels to. 

2793
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:50,700
And that's it, is it sucks. 
Any, any, any positive thoughts 

2794
02:03:50,700 --> 02:03:52,500
that you have, since you've been
out, you've had some time to 

2795
02:03:52,500 --> 02:03:55,100
reflect on it, anything that you
think is going to be moving the 

2796
02:03:55,108 --> 02:03:57,000
needle in the right direction 
that you're seeing, now that 

2797
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,700
you're kind of a little bit away
from the problem, or is it all 

2798
02:04:00,100 --> 02:04:03,200
just frustrating? 
It's guys like you, it's people 

2799
02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:05,300
talk about this inside platforms
and like really good these 

2800
02:04:05,300 --> 02:04:08,300
things out there because It was 
that wasn't me, that wasn't 

2801
02:04:08,300 --> 02:04:09,700
meant to be a plug for me, but 
that's nice. 

2802
02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:12,800
That's very thoughtful of you 
just silly but it's like, but 

2803
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:15,200
that's the thing though and I'm 
not trying to start bashing big 

2804
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:18,300
networks and whatever but it's 
like you go into stuff. 

2805
02:04:18,300 --> 02:04:21,100
You get things deep and I'm 
sorry, like there's half the 

2806
02:04:21,100 --> 02:04:22,700
media out there with just a 
media. 

2807
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,300
If they got this information, 
they would use it to kill the 

2808
02:04:25,300 --> 02:04:27,700
story and you guys don't like 
you. 

2809
02:04:27,700 --> 02:04:29,900
You guys really prefer, you 
know, pursue these things and 

2810
02:04:29,900 --> 02:04:33,200
really kind of get it out there 
and I don't care if it goes out 

2811
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:36,500
to a smaller audience, it's not 
as that kind of cares and it's a

2812
02:04:36,508 --> 02:04:39,600
lot more active So it's hitting 
more people that do things with 

2813
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:42,500
it, as opposed to the three 
million viewers that will sit 

2814
02:04:42,500 --> 02:04:44,500
there in the school, will 
consume it changes Channel. 

2815
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:45,900
And, you know, it's kind of 
gone. 

2816
02:04:46,300 --> 02:04:51,700
So I have hope for that talk to 
people as a whole. 

2817
02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:52,800
I've got Twitter spaces all the 
time. 

2818
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,400
I talk to people. 
I like, I like being those 

2819
02:04:54,400 --> 02:05:00,100
things to partake when I can but
also to listen and, you know, I 

2820
02:05:00,100 --> 02:05:03,000
still think people are really 
hopeful and like too many things

2821
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:04,200
and I try to remind them like, 
you know. 

2822
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:05,600
Yeah. 
But guys like the state is still

2823
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:06,900
really bad. 
Like that's the problem. 

2824
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,100
And I'm seeing them kind of come
around now, like accepting it 

2825
02:05:10,100 --> 02:05:12,900
with like, you know? 
Well, yeah, there is that it's 

2826
02:05:12,900 --> 02:05:14,500
like, that's good. 
Hey, as long as you understand, 

2827
02:05:14,500 --> 02:05:17,000
like, don't have all your eggs 
in one basket for an option 

2828
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:18,400
because some people are just way
too. 

2829
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:21,700
Like let's vote our way out of 
this thing and it's like yeah, 

2830
02:05:21,700 --> 02:05:23,300
that's not going to happen. 
If it was it. 

2831
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:27,700
Yeah, it's like just I always 
tell people that don't get it. 

2832
02:05:27,700 --> 02:05:31,100
I'm like just please make 10 
friends and 10 miles like just 

2833
02:05:31,100 --> 02:05:34,100
just build a network and like 
really good rapport because 

2834
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:35,800
that's that's worth it, long 
run. 

2835
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:39,900
The last thing I think they're 
gonna tell me this, do you feel 

2836
02:05:39,900 --> 02:05:43,200
like there's a Advantage guys 
like you and me coming fresh out

2837
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:45,700
of these, these different 
experiences but now not being 

2838
02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:48,200
burdened with sort of the 
government non-disclosures or 

2839
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:50,000
not even a non disclosure is 
that's not what we're dealing 

2840
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:53,400
with the you know the have to 
filter, everything through 

2841
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:57,100
public affairs, exact give you 
some some ability to share 

2842
02:05:57,100 --> 02:05:59,500
information in a way that you 
think is like because it's 

2843
02:05:59,500 --> 02:06:01,400
really hard knowing this stuff 
and not being able to talk about

2844
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:03,300
it obviously and you did it for 
a long time. 

2845
02:06:03,300 --> 02:06:04,800
Yeah that. 
Yeah. 

2846
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:07,000
And I'm not gonna lie to you. 
There was at the end before. 

2847
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:10,300
Went to the Veritas, there's a 
point where it's like, I would 

2848
02:06:10,300 --> 02:06:12,600
go home and I'd be in tears at 
night time and it's just like, 

2849
02:06:12,900 --> 02:06:15,200
I'm sitting there, like, I'd go 
watch like my, you know, my kids

2850
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:17,500
games, whatever be an airport, 
I'd be whatever. 

2851
02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:19,400
And I would lie. 
People watch, right? 

2852
02:06:19,900 --> 02:06:21,500
I'm sitting there going. 
Like these people really don't 

2853
02:06:21,500 --> 02:06:24,000
understand how bad it is. 
It's like in how could they? 

2854
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,400
Because their media doesn't tell
them these things because 

2855
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:30,100
they're not trying to because I,
you know, but now that it's out,

2856
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:32,700
it's, it is so it's not just 
refreshing. 

2857
02:06:32,700 --> 02:06:37,500
It feels like someone's like, I 
kind of feel like revved up if 

2858
02:06:37,500 --> 02:06:39,100
you like now. 
Let's talk about this. 

2859
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:40,400
Like let's actually the things 
out there. 

2860
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:41,800
Yeah. 
And I've seen the way you've 

2861
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:43,500
been coming at will learn. 
I've been seen the way you've 

2862
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:45,000
been coming at media, that 
you've been in the Twitter 

2863
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,300
spaces, which I do as well. 
And I have kind of the same 

2864
02:06:47,300 --> 02:06:48,400
thing. 
I think it's cathartic in some 

2865
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:51,100
ways to it gives you an 
opportunity to just be like look

2866
02:06:51,900 --> 02:06:53,800
you guys need to know this 
information, I have it but it 

2867
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:55,700
doesn't help me. 
It has to help all of us, you 

2868
02:06:55,708 --> 02:06:57,600
know, that kind of thing. 
So I love the, the kind of the 

2869
02:06:57,600 --> 02:07:00,100
Zeal that you've been running at
it with and I hope that all 

2870
02:07:00,100 --> 02:07:03,500
continues, where can where can 
people follow you? 

2871
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:06,500
Where can they weave? 
Hold out, your What do you got 

2872
02:07:06,500 --> 02:07:09,500
in the on the burner? 
You have any, you know, 

2873
02:07:09,700 --> 02:07:11,700
potential jobs that are that are
looking at your? 

2874
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:14,100
Is there an industry that people
kind of steer you towards? 

2875
02:07:16,700 --> 02:07:19,000
I really want to continue 
helping out finding trafficking.

2876
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:21,000
So I'm trying to, you know, get 
in with that profits. 

2877
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:23,600
That's the world. 
I'm trying. 

2878
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:25,600
I'm trying to navigate. 
I'm still doing about myself to 

2879
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:26,700
him. 
So do my own research and like, 

2880
02:07:26,700 --> 02:07:29,500
I'm right now talking to case 
managers domestic fostering, by 

2881
02:07:29,500 --> 02:07:33,500
the way, to, but the case 
managers previous whistleblowers

2882
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:35,300
parents that were inside the 
system, they know about it, 

2883
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:37,200
volunteers, that know about 
these things because they've hit

2884
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,900
me up on Twitter, and it's like,
yeah, I'll talk to you about 

2885
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:43,000
some and so I've talked to quite
a few of them, but at least 

2886
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:45,100
about a half dozen or so. 
But, like really good. 

2887
02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:46,900
Into an understanding things. 
And these are people that have 

2888
02:07:46,900 --> 02:07:50,000
like, a decade in the system. 
I've talked to former survivors 

2889
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,900
and that those are. 
The, those are hard. 

2890
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,200
Those are really difficult to 
listen to, but it's good to 

2891
02:07:54,200 --> 02:07:58,400
know, right? 
And look, I so, I mean I'm on 

2892
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:02,500
Twitter, Twitter truth, and GAP 
under that same handle Gap. 

2893
02:08:02,500 --> 02:08:04,700
I don't really do a whole lot on
a limb because that's more of 

2894
02:08:04,700 --> 02:08:07,600
like, a, I'm letting it build. 
I kind of go on there for more 

2895
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:09,800
like to, you know, check out 
memes, I'd read more 

2896
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:11,900
conversations, I, you know, 
those kind of stuff. 

2897
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:13,200
Okay? 
I most active on Twitter right 

2898
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:14,700
now because the engagement 
really high. 

2899
02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:17,700
It builds on Truth as well. 
Just wait for the day that you 

2900
02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:20,300
has not there. 
But yeah. 

2901
02:08:20,300 --> 02:08:23,700
And then otherwise, you know, I 
try to join conversations all 

2902
02:08:23,708 --> 02:08:26,600
the time so whatever I can. 
So folks if you want to follow 

2903
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:29,800
Aaron, you can follow him from 
the show notes on any of the 

2904
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:33,200
platforms that you're looking on
and then I will tag him as we 

2905
02:08:33,200 --> 02:08:34,700
release this thing. 
So if you're finding this 

2906
02:08:34,700 --> 02:08:37,000
through obviously, through 
Twitter, or through truth, which

2907
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:40,300
are my two big platforms, I do 
there will be links in his alt 

2908
02:08:40,300 --> 02:08:42,600
tag is handles, you can find it 
real easily. 

2909
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:44,900
Once again, I, you know, I 
follow them as well. 

2910
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:46,400
I I like what? 
He's got to say out there, I 

2911
02:08:46,407 --> 02:08:48,600
think it's really important. 
Errand, I do appreciate you 

2912
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:52,200
spending this time on this, the 
sort of later evening, folks, we

2913
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:54,000
broadcast this on Monday 
morning, but we shoot this over 

2914
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,700
the weekend for you, so that you
have it first thing in the 

2915
02:08:55,700 --> 02:08:57,300
morning and you got it for this 
whole week. 

2916
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:00,400
I know we went a little bit 
long, I think sometimes this 

2917
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:02,900
information, there should be no 
time limit on it so I try not to

2918
02:09:02,900 --> 02:09:04,100
worry about that for our 
Mondays. 

2919
02:09:05,700 --> 02:09:09,400
So that is that is the scoop 
that is what probably bring you 

2920
02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:11,700
back on again, to and we'll talk
maybe counterintelligence 

2921
02:09:11,700 --> 02:09:13,900
threats, Southern border because
I think there's a some 

2922
02:09:13,900 --> 02:09:16,900
visibility there that you and I 
We have some, we'll give it some

2923
02:09:16,900 --> 02:09:19,300
time for let people to kind of 
chew on this and to reach out to

2924
02:09:19,300 --> 02:09:21,000
you. 
But folks, you've been listening

2925
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:23,600
to the Kyle serif and show. 
If you do like these kind of 

2926
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:26,400
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02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:29,400
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2928
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2929
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:36,700
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2930
02:09:36,700 --> 02:09:40,400
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2931
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,800
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Samsung has us now Now, 

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02:09:45,700 --> 02:09:47,400
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2940
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,500
that really tweaked You On Any 
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2941
02:10:04,500 --> 02:10:07,700
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2942
02:10:07,700 --> 02:10:10,000
read them on the show like this 
one here. 

2943
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:14,900
This one is by Joseph beaten be 
e, Aton sent off this Wednesday 

2944
02:10:14,900 --> 02:10:18,700
and it The review is truth 
matters to a ensures. 

2945
02:10:18,700 --> 02:10:22,200
Every other amendment to the 
Constitution insist on your 

2946
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:24,500
right to speak the truth. 
God will punish the wicked? 

2947
02:10:24,500 --> 02:10:27,200
Who bear, false witness? 
That sounds a lot like my buddy,

2948
02:10:27,200 --> 02:10:30,100
the Gob actual, my friend, 
Garrett, neighbors, I'm sorry, 

2949
02:10:30,100 --> 02:10:33,800
my friend Garrett O'Boyle, he 
has a lot to say about those who

2950
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:36,000
bear, false witness. 
So we do appreciate that Joseph.

2951
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,200
Thanks for the feedback and 
folks, you have been listening 

2952
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:41,400
to the Kyle Serafin show. 
We will catch you again on 

2953
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:43,300
Wednesday. 
Thanks for listening. 

2954
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:49,500
Thank you. 
Thanks for listening to the Kyle

2955
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:51,900
Serafin. 
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2956
02:10:51,900 --> 02:10:54,700
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2957
02:10:48,100 --> 02:10:50,100
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2958
02:10:50,100 --> 02:10:53,900
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