1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistle blower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,480 American patriot prepared to embrace the uncomfortable truth. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,880 Because this program has no time for comforting lies. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,160 Here is civil liberties enthusiasts, Second Amendment 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,760 defender and recovering FBI agent Kyle Seraphin. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Hello my friends, welcome to the Kyle Seraphin show. 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,440 Today is Tuesday, August the 8th. 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,160 It's 88. If you're Frank Figluzzi, the 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,600 former FBI assistant director of counterintelligence, this day 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,680 has vast significance to you in your white supremacy ladled 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,840 brain. But for those of us who are 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,400 regular people, it does not. It's simply a Tuesday. 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,360 And it's a Tuesday when our government is engaging in 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,520 malfeasance and going after regular citizens and infringing 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,280 in the 2nd or the 1st Amendment protected activities like the 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,960 freedom to assemble, the freedom of the press. 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,920 Not surprising to any of you. Before we get into my guest 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,680 today, we're going to be bringing on Steve Baker. 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,760 He joined me for my first and probably longest video interview 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,800 where we went over 3 hours, where we were going into Joe 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Rogan territory. We had to break it up into three 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,040 pieces for you. And I will put the link below 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,680 when we finish the show so you guys can go see that. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,920 If you haven't seen the original discussion, we have. 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,680 But we're going to bring it back on because there's been some 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,840 important developments. And one of the things that we 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,920 know is that the FBI listens to this podcast. 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,840 And if we are going to thumb our nose at anybody, we are going to 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,080 do it here on this show. So thanks for joining us, 30 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,480 everybody. Thanks for being part of the 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,880 show. 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Without too much further ado, I 69 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,640 want to bring on Mr. Steve Baker, the pragmatic 70 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:03,520 constitutionalist who has a locals account you can find will 71 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,160 add that to the to the notes. Steve, thanks for joining me, 72 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,920 bud. And I see that you are wearing 73 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,960 your team colors today. You're in Team CIA, apparently. 74 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,520 Absolutely. I'm I am part of the agency. 75 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,800 The the agency as it is known by those of us who work in the 76 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,840 government, would you say that you trust the CIA now more than 77 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,640 you do the FBI? I'll tell you what, the only, 78 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,560 the only possible rationale for that is that still technically 79 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,240 the CIA is supposed to work overseas more than here 80 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,520 domestically. So maybe. 81 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,240 I guess so, yeah. I've got buddies who are who are 82 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,400 CIA whistleblowers who literally told me that they have more 83 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,600 faith in the agency that they've blown the whistle on that has 84 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,440 fired them than the agency I used to work for. 85 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,760 That is amazing. That's great stuff, right? 86 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,320 Yeah, I mean, as far as I know, I haven't been moved on by the 87 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,000 CIA yet, but I have been moved on by the FBI. 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,360 So I have a real problem with your former organization. 89 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Yeah, you and me both. All right, let me just start off 90 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,480 by asking folks if you are in the live chat, and many of you 91 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,120 are, if you want to add a question you'd like something 92 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,560 answered that Steve may have a unique perspective on, please 93 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,240 add it in the comments below. So scroll below the live chat, 94 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,200 put it in the comments. It's easier for Ryan to 95 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,520 screenshot them and bring him on screen later on, and we'll get 96 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,440 to those as they come down. And why don't we start off with 97 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,200 just letting people know a little bit about who you are? 98 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,600 So not everybody saw the original interview we did, 99 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,000 although we spent an awful lot of time on it. 100 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,160 So give people a rundown, maybe, you know, from your early youth 101 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,240 and then kind of how you ended up sitting here on the show 102 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,640 again. My my early youth. 103 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,480 Well, before I start that, I will tell you all of your 104 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,240 viewers they need to go listen to that first interview. 105 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,560 That was actually one of the most enjoyable interviews I've 106 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,080 ever done because we went pretty deep. 107 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,520 Yeah, we had a lot of fun there. Yeah, especially what by the 108 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,360 time we got to the third segment, 3rd hour, we were, we 109 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,080 were into some pretty deep esoteric stuff. 110 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,160 So I enjoyed. It that's true and and also we 111 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,840 were deep in the bladder territory where it was, we were 112 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:52,840 going to have a a time clock after the run out. 113 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,480 That's right. Well, my, you know, my, my 114 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,960 youth. If I have to start there. 115 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,960 No, I'm a I'm a lifelong musician. 116 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:05,600 I have been a trumpet player and vocalist most of my adult life. 117 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,080 I started touring when I was a kid. 118 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,640 I left school at 19 to go on the road and travel all over the 119 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,400 world and did that sort of thing. 120 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,800 In the process of that, I got involved with some organizations 121 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,400 that were doing work behind the Iron Curtain of ministry 122 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,280 organizations, missionary organizations. 123 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,200 I, I got involved in groups that were, you know, smuggling 124 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,440 printing press parts and, you know, tape duplicating machines, 125 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,440 recording the gear, all this kind of stuff to support the 126 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,880 underground dissident movement inside the Soviet Union. 127 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,040 And that's a long story in and of itself. 128 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,640 But then while I'm doing all of that and traveling back and 129 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,080 forth from being on the road and being home in my home state of 130 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Louisiana, my father is also a private investigator. 131 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,680 So this whole thing of is in my blood. 132 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,920 It's a it's kind of Adna type thing that's been handed to me. 133 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,360 And then I started writing just as a hobby back in the 80s. 134 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,400 And then and when we by the time, by the time the Internet 135 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,560 came around, I was flourishing online, you know, started off on 136 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,800 CompuServe and AOL and then all of that became Myspace and then 137 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,720 Myspace became Facebook and then Facebook became A blog. 138 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,960 And here we are today, right? So, you know, that was that was 139 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,580 the kind of the genesis of this. But for most of my quote UN 140 00:06:27,580 --> 00:06:31,480 quote writing career and political analysis and 141 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,960 commentary and that sort of thing, that was just a hobby for 142 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,560 me. And it wasn't until COVID came 143 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,040 to town and they locked the country down. 144 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,160 And particularly here in North Carolina, where I live now, I 145 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,840 wasn't allowed to work for a year and a half. 146 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,280 I mean, live music is my business. 147 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,280 It's what I do to pay my bills and it's what I have done for 148 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,960 most of my life. So I was suddenly not allowed to 149 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,480 work. And so after, you know, 2, two 150 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,960 weeks to flatten the curve became two months. 151 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,560 And then I realized it could be as long as two years. 152 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,480 I thought, well, I better, I better monetize this hobby of 153 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,840 mine. And so I kicked that into high 154 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,320 gear, started doing that. And, you know, it didn't really 155 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,080 change anything that I was doing other than obviously I was 156 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,880 obsessed with COVID and writing and investigating all, all 157 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,080 things related to that, that farce. 158 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:28,280 But when, when January 6th rolled around, that was just 159 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,800 part of my schedule. You know, by then I was writing 160 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,600 full time. You know, I wasn't playing 161 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,560 music. So I was, I was travelling the 162 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,720 country, meeting with my bloggers or my blog followers 163 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,240 all over the country during the lockdown. 164 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,360 So I travelled to 28 States and we would have meetings in 165 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,800 defiance, you know, we like, we would create speakeasies where 166 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,240 they didn't exist and we would meet up and. 167 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,400 What were those meetings like out of curiosity too? 168 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,440 It was phenomenal. You know, the, the, the very 169 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,800 interesting thing about those meetings, some of them were in 170 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,360 people's homes, some of them were in businesses that weren't 171 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,520 open because they were locked down, but they, but the owner 172 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,280 would open them for us. Some of them were out in, you 173 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,600 know, rural counties. So, so it would be outside of a 174 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,400 major city where they were completely locked down, but then 175 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,680 they would be in a county where the sheriff didn't enforce the 176 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,760 lockdown, which happened all over the country, as you know. 177 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,560 And so that those were the kinds of places that we had made. 178 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,000 And of course it was, it was liberating for everybody 179 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,840 because, you know, we weren't able to do anything back home 180 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,480 depending upon where your home was. 181 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,240 And so for most people, this was a liberating time to be able 182 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,320 just to go out and and meet with other people. 183 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,919 Yeah, isn't, isn't it so interesting that just meeting up 184 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:40,320 with strangers and sharing ideas was the defiance? 185 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,440 And in many ways it's probably a lot like what you were doing 186 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,320 when you were running around behind the Iron Curtain where 187 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,440 you're running around the Soviet Union. 188 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,080 I mean, you got to experience tyranny on on 2 fronts. 189 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,160 I'm sure you probably didn't expect it coming back home to 190 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,160 the United States, though. No, I, I, I never did. 191 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,840 And, and in fact, I'll tell you a quick story. 192 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,640 I was sitting in a a dissident leaders home in tall in Estonia. 193 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,080 This was 1983. You say in Estonia? 194 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,400 In Estonia, OK, the Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic back 195 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,920 then. And I, I was, I was secreted to 196 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,240 his home by just, I mean just like you would see in a movie. 197 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,960 I mean, they, they, I, I, I met in a cafe and then they, we 198 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,040 jumped in a cab. And then from a cab we got on a, 199 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,280 a trolley. And then from a trolley into a 200 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,720 private car and from a private car back into another cab. 201 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,320 And then finally after dark, we end up at this leader's home. 202 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,960 All the lights were out. The, the windows, of course, 203 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,320 were covered. And then after sitting by myself 204 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,720 in his living room for quite some time, he comes wandering 205 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,880 out from the dark backroom and he walks in, he sits at the 206 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,320 couch across from me and and he he holds up a pen just like this 207 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:50,240 is actually a pencil. And he says, he said here, this 208 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,560 is what the government tells us the truth looks like, he said. 209 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:57,840 But because we can get finished television across the the Baltic 210 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,680 from here, we know the truth looks like this. 211 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,680 I've never forgotten that and I never dreamed that I would be 212 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:07,760 living that today here in our own country. 213 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,200 Where the government literally is spinning truth and trying to, 214 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,240 to influence public perception. I think they've always done 215 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,120 that. So I'm kind of curious. 216 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,640 My, my dad is in his mid 70s or early to mid 70s and, and I'm in 217 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,640 my early 40s. And you're kind of in between 218 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,000 there. I grew up with a fundamental 219 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,200 distrust of the government. I think my dad grew up with the 220 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,920 opposite of that, but kind of saw that, you know, growing 221 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,880 during the Vietnam anti war movements and so on. 222 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,880 What was your feeling about the government's involvement and and 223 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,320 whether or not they would be truthful with the citizens in 224 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,400 the United States as you grew up? 225 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Well, when when I grew up, I think that we were all much more 226 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,440 trusting. First of all, we may not have 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,240 liked the other political side or depending upon which side of 228 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,880 the aisle you voted for, but we were more trusting that, OK, all 229 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,560 right, the other guys won. But they're going to tell us the 230 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:00,160 truth and they're going to take care of us and they're going to 231 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,600 be, they're going to be somewhat forthright and honest. 232 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,080 Well, obviously we had our scandals. 233 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,480 Watergate was well, you know, when I was in junior high school 234 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,560 and, and, and of course then we, you know, we've had to go 235 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:16,680 through the end of the Vietnam War in 75 and then we had to go 236 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,120 through the Carter administration. 237 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,600 And then suddenly things began to, as I grew, you know, I was 238 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,680 growing older, I was growing more aware and, and becoming 239 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,960 more perceptive. I think of, of the reality that 240 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,760 one of the inherent functions of government is, as you've 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,480 mentioned before, it's just to color the truth. 242 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:38,240 They're not going to be honest with us on a, on a macro sense 243 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,120 by any means, as they, they can justify any lie and they'll do 244 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,320 it for, for secure, you know, national security reasons or 245 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,280 are, are, oh God, I mean, look, look at where we're look at, 246 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,880 look at what we're facing right now. 247 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,240 And in terms of what they're trying to spend for security 248 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,320 reasons. And then the, the other, the 249 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,480 other reality is, is that once you get a little bit older and 250 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,160 you become even a little bit more aware, you, you become much 251 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,320 more attuned to the fact that they're probably not telling you 252 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,240 the truth about anything. At at least everything, as you 253 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,360 said, has a spin to it to some degree and to some extent. 254 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,200 And that's coming from every side. 255 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,560 And that's been, you know, that's been the most stark 256 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:25,920 realization in my career. I as a, as a writer and as 257 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,520 someone who is now moving in the circles and meeting with 258 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,680 Congress members and meeting with congressional staff members 259 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:37,760 on a regular basis, you, you just don't know what is real, 260 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,600 what's not, and what's you don't know what's being taken back. 261 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,360 And you don't, you don't know when they look you right in the 262 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,480 face and tell you how serious they are about, you know, 263 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,800 following through on this particular issue. 264 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,320 You've made your impact. You've seen their eyes light up. 265 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,160 You've seen them drop their jaw when you tell them that you know 266 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,760 something they need to know. And then they, you know, they 267 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,880 write down your name and your number and they give it to a 268 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,920 staffer and say call him. And then you don't ever hear 269 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,120 from that staffer again. I think that's the big thing 270 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,920 where you feel like you've made the impact like a normal human 271 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,400 being would. If you and I had had that impact 272 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,640 made on us, then we would be making that call in a in a 273 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,320 couple days and and then there's nothing. 274 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,520 There's just no follow through. I'm get I'm getting somewhere 275 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,280 with this. So what was your relationship 276 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,560 growing up? You said your dad is a private 277 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,160 investigator. What was your relationship with 278 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,680 the FBI even either by reputation or or any 279 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,840 interactions with it until 20/21? 280 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Well, you know, my, my perception of the FBI came from 281 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,280 Ephraim Zebulus Junior and, you know, in the, the the 1960s, 282 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,080 seventies television series, I grew up with that and that's I 283 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,320 am that old. And so they were the good guys. 284 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,400 And then of course, the untouchables, you know, Elliott 285 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,200 Ness, I was, I mean, I was all over that, you know, played by 286 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Robert Stack. That was awesome. 287 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,600 So that, that was the kind of thing that I grew up with. 288 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,560 And my perception is, is that they were, you know, they were 289 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:59,560 the white hat guys out there. And that there was, there was, 290 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,720 if there was truth justice in the American way, it was going 291 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,200 to be performed and, or executed by those guys. 292 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,720 And, and certainly you, you thought of maybe these guys as 293 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,800 being a little bit spookier in, in the background there. 294 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,120 And then when I was working behind the Iron Curtain, I, I, 295 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,280 well, I'm, I'm the only guy that I know in my entire life who's 296 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,160 ever been strip searched by the KGB. 297 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,800 Well, you're looking at him. I don't know if you know anybody 298 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,040 who has been, but. I'm not off the top of my head, 299 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,080 but I've run into enough circles I probably could find somebody 300 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,200 as well. You're probably not unique in 301 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,840 that, but it's not common. Right. 302 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,800 You probably could. But point being is, is that I 303 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,000 was engaged in activities that eventually led to that. 304 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,400 Yeah, sure. That I certainly during that 305 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,000 time thought that these guys and the FBI were the good guys. 306 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,800 Yeah, I mean, I think that's a natural. 307 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,040 It'd be hard to do a lot of the things that you were involved in 308 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,000 or think the way that we did, I think up until very recently. 309 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,160 How much has post January 6th shaded your your impression of 310 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,560 of what our government is involved in? 311 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,880 I have a new axiom related to January 6th that came afterward. 312 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,320 I I I have. I have lots of operational 313 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,240 working axioms in my writing career. 314 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,200 My first, my, my first lead line is always as a, as a basically 315 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 as a political libertarian is that there's the world we want 316 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,760 versus the world in which we actually live. 317 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,480 And I say that, and that's why I, I call myself a pragmatist, 318 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,400 is there is the world that we want. 319 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,120 I if you put me, if you, if I took the test, you know, I'm, 320 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,640 I'm probably a political anarchist, but I'm, I'm more 321 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,840 rational than that. And I know that that's just as 322 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,400 unworkable in humanity and human nature as is communism, that 323 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,720 neither of those extremes work. And so, yeah, that's the world 324 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,880 that I want, but that's not the world in which we live. 325 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,400 We don't live in a world where we can have open borders. 326 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,080 And of course, that's so, you know, that's a that's a 327 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,120 libertarian flag. Well, yeah, I would love a world 328 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,600 with open. I would love a world that was 329 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,520 safe enough that we could have a more open force. 330 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 We don't live in that world. So that's what that axiom means. 331 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,320 But the one related to January 6th that popped up since then 332 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:11,200 was that I will never again believe anything that I don't 333 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,520 see with my own eyes. But then check the videotape. 334 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,200 Because what you saw, and it's not necessarily what actually 335 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,280 happened to. That's correct, because I took 336 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,880 hours worth of video that day and it wasn't until after I did, 337 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,040 you know, 5 days of frame by frame analysis of my own video 338 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,760 that I just became aware of what was going on in that crowd. 339 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,800 Sure. Well, I had a book of quotes I 340 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,280 grew up with. It was like one of those toilet 341 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,760 reading books. You know, you reach back and you 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,520 read a quote from famous people. And one of them that I've always 343 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,360 stuck with me since I was a teenager was if you, if you want 344 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,440 to know what history is, go talk to two different people that 345 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,840 were involved in an automobile accident and then try to figure 346 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,480 out whether anybody knows what happened. 347 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,080 And it's something to that effect. 348 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,360 I'm, I'm, I'm butchering it in a little way, but, but essentially 349 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,520 that the fact that we all bring a significant lens to whatever 350 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,760 happened and we brought our emotions and our expectations 351 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,400 and our assumptions to it. And then, you know, then there's 352 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,839 what actually happened on the videotape. 353 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,000 Like you just mentioned, I put out a tweet earlier this week 354 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,119 and I think it got some traction because I think it resonates 355 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,640 with a lot of people. It upset a lot of people as 356 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,359 well. But one of the things that I, 357 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,240 I've been sort of musing on, you know, the, the sphere of Twitter 358 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,400 is like how, how condensed can you get an interesting idea? 359 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,400 What I said was is the United States I grew up in would have 360 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,560 invaded the United States that I live in. 361 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,960 What do you think about that? You know, be, again, being a 362 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,480 libertarian, I would hope that we would not have been dated, 363 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,800 but I think we would have probably been compelled to 364 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,600 respond and attack probably in a treaty we had with somebody 365 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,000 because of the malfeasance that the United States that we live 366 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,440 in today is participating in in their country. 367 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,880 So we probably would have had a had a treaty with somebody that 368 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,520 we would have had to attack. I just, I, I, I see things like 369 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,040 urgent fury. I see things like Just Cause as 370 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,400 sort of examples from the 80s and I was a little kid from a 371 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,880 lot of that, but I still have recollections. 372 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,320 I actually jumped out of an airplane at Fort Benning on the 373 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,520 20 year, 20 year, yeah, the 20 year anniversary of of Just 374 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,760 Cause with guys who jumped into Panama. 375 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,480 So I had jumped, you know, guys from my from my stick were, 376 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,040 were, were jumpers in there as well. 377 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,600 And they were doing kind of a memorial jump. 378 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,400 And I don't know, for some reason, it's just, you know, 379 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,640 when you start stepping into the Banana Republic realm and you 380 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,160 start delegitimizing all these, these institutions that we sort 381 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,280 of grew up trusting. I mean, even in the 80s and 90s, 382 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,920 I grew up trusting these things in the way that you probably 383 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,120 remember as well. And then and, and even things 384 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,160 like Ruby Ridge, even though they bothered me, and even 385 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,800 things like Waco, which my dad was intricately, you know, 386 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,240 involved in having talked to the guys inside the compound, it 387 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,320 still didn't shake me the way that I feel like what's been 388 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,880 going on with January 6 is shaking me. 389 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,040 I I have one of my closest friends in the world. 390 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,080 I don't remember whether we mentioned him in my our our 391 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,680 three hour marathon previously, but he's a wounded veteran, lost 392 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,880 an arm in Sinai desert. He stepped on a landmine on a 393 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,640 peacekeeping mission back after Anwar Sadat was assassinated. 394 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,800 What was that, 81 or 82 somewhere in there? 395 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:14,840 And we he was a Ranger and also 101st Airborne and he was 396 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Lieutenant leading a Recon in the desert. 397 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,280 And he triggered one of those, what they call them bouncing 398 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,080 Betties or, you know, jumping Judy, whatever the hell it got. 399 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,160 So yeah, bouncing betties is what I've always heard of 400 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,920 called. He, he triggered that and then 401 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,960 he ordered his guys to retrace their steps and get out of the 402 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,280 minefield that they had wandered into. 403 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,000 And this was a mine that had been planted in the Yom Kippur 404 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,240 War back in 69. And so the circuitry had 405 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,040 degraded just enough that once he, his guys were clear and he 406 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,680 made a break for it to try to get away, expecting to die, but 407 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,080 he wasn't, he managed to get far enough away. 408 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,760 It didn't kill him, but it took his arm off, almost took one of 409 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,040 his legs off. He's 100% deaf even today, as 410 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,920 you know, the cochlear implants, tons of other, you know. 411 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,160 Medical problems related to that. 412 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,120 He's lost 1/2 of a foot from that as as well. 413 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,040 Let me just jump in to tell people with this, with this 414 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,120 landmine situation. Is it so it's a, it's a spring 415 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:12,400 loaded explosive device that lives under the ground. 416 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,480 It's buried down there. And then when you put enough 417 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,840 pressure on it, a human pressure, it activates the 418 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,680 spring release. So when you let lift a foot, it 419 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,280 bounces up chest high, waist high, face high, etcetera. 420 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,880 To make the most explosive, as opposed to blowing up from the 421 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,760 ground where you get a limited cone of explosion. 422 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,600 It gets up and and detonates so that it causes the most amount 423 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,000 of damage. Really nasty stuff, things that 424 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,200 people are not supposed to use in most war zones right now. 425 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,240 I think they actually had one of those things in Bad Boys too, 426 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,040 now that I think about it in in that scene at Guantanamo. 427 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,160 But it's it's a horrific device. And to be standing there 428 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,760 basically on something you assume is going to kill you is 429 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,120 it's got to be probably one of the most harrowing decisions. 430 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,760 And of course, heroic to have your guys walk back out of it 431 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,280 and run. But that's that's what we're 432 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,000 talking about. OK, so he, he lost an arm. 433 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 He's and he's, he's thoroughly banged up. 434 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,600 Yeah, he, I mean, he, he thought he was going to of course, die. 435 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,160 He he, he was air backed to Israel. 436 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,400 The Israeli doctors were much more experienced back in that 437 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,200 era with that type of trauma and they saved his life. 438 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,080 And years later, I mean, guys had an incredibly productive 439 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,640 life even, you know, as a double amputee and has I mean, he's 440 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,360 scuba diver, he owns 2 boats. He's had a, you know, a great 441 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:25,720 career otherwise. And he he told me when we were 442 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,600 watching some of the results of these, these Oath Keeper trials, 443 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,200 for instance, related to January 6th, and we were together and he 444 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,680 just broke down and he just started bawling. 445 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,880 And he was so upset by that because he saw what the 446 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,800 government was doing to these innocent men and the 447 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,560 manipulation. And he said this is this the 448 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080 country that I gave up this for, right? 449 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,080 No, it has to be truly troubling and I think a lot of veterans 450 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,960 are looking in the same way. And that's what that was so 451 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,480 troubling about that particular day. 452 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Give people a background and we'll then we'll dig into the 453 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,760 modern, the updates to it. But you know, what was your 454 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,520 involvement in January 6th and kind of the, the Cliff Notes 455 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,280 version or if you want to put the bullet points out there so 456 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,920 people can kind of do it. And then I'll, I'll refer them 457 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,720 back to our our long form because we talked about that 458 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,040 obviously at length. Yeah. 459 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,400 The, the, the, the real quick elevator pitch on that is that 460 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,960 is that as I said, I was now out of work in my other job. 461 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,160 So I moved my political analysis and writing and commentary 462 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280 investigative work into the, you know, the captain's chair of my 463 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,280 life. And so January 6th was put on 464 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,360 the calendar. You know, Trump announced 465 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:34,560 something wild was going to happen on December 19th of 2020. 466 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,640 And me and another very successful writer friend of mine 467 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,680 from here in Raleigh, we decided to go up together and check it 468 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,600 out. I, you know, I had, I had no 469 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,480 idea what to expect that day. I was, I was thinking maybe 470 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,400 because there was all of this talk about the, the, you know, 471 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,880 the election potential election fraud and that they had all 472 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,520 these investigations that they do been doing and that there was 473 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,200 going to eventually be the release of the crack. 474 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,720 And if you remember that, Yep, thought, OK, well, if they're 475 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,440 going to release the crack and it's got to be on January 6th, 476 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,600 you know, we're down. We're down to the, you know, 477 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,960 down to the two weeks before the actual inauguration of 478 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,680 president-elect Biden at that point. 479 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,160 So if you're going to release a crack and it better be there. 480 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,640 So we loaded up in my car and we rode up to DC and you know, got 481 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,600 a got a room in Arlington did that whole routine went over 482 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,160 there the next morning froze our butts off and you know, 30 mile 483 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,960 an hour cross went in January Wednesday. 484 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,760 We, we were completely unimpressed with every person 485 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,840 that was on the stage, me not being a Trump supporter more so 486 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080 than even my friend. And then we decided about 487 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,520 halfway through Trump's speech to start working our way towards 488 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,440 the Capitol building, which thousands of people were already 489 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,760 peeling off and doing that at the time, because there were 490 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240 announced events that day. And this is something a lot of 491 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,760 Americans don't understand is that there were scheduled 492 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,520 permitted events at the Capitol, right to follow. 493 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,040 And, and Trump, he, he messed up even those because he messed up 494 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 the schedule because he didn't take the stage until an hour 495 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,480 late down at the Ellipse. He was scheduled to speak at 11. 496 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,640 And the 1st events were to begin around 12:30 or, or one at the 497 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,160 Capitol. And it's quite a long walk. 498 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080 And the, you know, there was no car traffic open that day 499 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,320 because of the size of the crowds and it being a major 500 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,240 protest day. So the, the bottom line is that 501 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,360 by the time we got to the Capitol, it was already after 502 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,320 one O clock. Trump was still on stage. 503 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,760 He didn't leave the stage till 1:16 PM. 504 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,600 And we could see the, we could see the, from our vantage point 505 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,400 near the reflection pool, the peace monument area. 506 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,320 We could see the flat, hear the flash bangs. 507 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,920 We could see the tear smoke. We could see a rival of DC Metro 508 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,400 police, their, their fluorescent, fluorescent vest 509 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,960 coming down the steps, you know, feverishly arriving and their 510 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,080 sirens going off. And we're like, man, what is 511 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,120 going on? I looked at my buddy, I said, 512 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,880 well, that's where we're headed. And we, we raced it up there to 513 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,880 the West terrace. And by the time we got there, 514 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,440 there are the, the battle had already been engaged for some 515 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,080 time. You know, because the first, the 516 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,720 first barricade breach was at 12:50 to 12:53 PMI turned my 517 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,880 camera on at 1:19. So it was, you know, nearly, you 518 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,400 know, it was over 25 minutes after violence had begun before 519 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,200 I started filming. And then once I captured about 520 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,200 an hour's worth of video, not knowing that there had been a 521 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,640 breach now of the building itself, but there was now a free 522 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040 flow of humanity going up the the steps. 523 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,880 There were those you've seen, the scaffolding that were 524 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,040 covered with canvas that had been ripped off by the 525 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,320 protesters. And now people are just moving 526 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,440 up as freely as, you know, in a mall. 527 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,160 And I finally joined behind several 100 people and went up 528 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,160 there myself. When I got to the upper terrace, 529 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960 I look over and there's hundreds of people moving into the 530 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,640 building. And so I, of course, never saw 531 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,840 the breach of the building, never saw why the doors were 532 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,600 opened. But once that was clear that 533 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,880 people were going in, I joined in the line and went in. 534 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,720 And so I started the process of doing nothing more than behaving 535 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,920 as a journalist. In fact, I've seen myself on 536 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,880 Capitol CCTV stopping and taking notes. 537 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,040 I would, you know, video. I've taken backpack off. 538 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,600 I had AI had a I had my camera gear, I had a tripod. 539 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,160 I had, you know, extra batteries. 540 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,760 I had my man on the street microphone because that was what 541 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,360 I was planning on doing that day was interviewing people about if 542 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,280 the Kraken got, you know, unleashed. 543 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,080 I had no idea that this was going to happen, but I had to 544 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,960 you know, my instincts were to follow the story where the story 545 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,400 went. So I you can as I said, you 546 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,960 could see me in the inside the Capitol building. 547 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,880 I'll, people are moving around and I've, I've shut my camera 548 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,920 off and I've got my phone out. I, I'm standing against the wall 549 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,560 typing for 10 or 15 minutes. I don't even remember doing 550 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,600 that. Talking about memories of, you 551 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,120 know, in a right crime or something like. 552 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,360 That how, how, Yeah. What was the, the physiological 553 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,880 sensation of being there? What was the the either the 554 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,680 sympathetic reactions or you know, you know, what was your 555 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,640 your memories that you do have? What do you remember the feeling 556 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,000 of being in that crowd? Well, when the, when I, when I 557 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,160 first started filming on the battle line on the West terrace. 558 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:26,160 But my, my feelings were I, I had, I had no, and I, I would 559 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,480 say I had no identifiable emotions of any kind. 560 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,920 It was just I had one intention and that was to capture the best 561 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,720 that I could on film because I knew that history was being 562 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,320 made. You didn't have a team that you 563 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,560 were going, you know, go police, go rioters or go go Trump, guys. 564 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,960 No, because because I, I had, as I said, I, I didn't know what I 565 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,360 was seeing except, you know, because your mind can only take 566 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:57,440 in about 5% in a highly violent kinetic situation like that. 567 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,000 And then you're looking through a small lens anyway. 568 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080 And then when you start getting hit by pepper spray and you 569 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960 start getting hit, you know, you're downwind from, from the 570 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,880 spray. I was never doing anything to 571 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 have it aimed at me because I was near assaulting police 572 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,960 officers or attacking the the line in any way. 573 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280 But down when you got a 30 mile an hour north wind coming and 574 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,320 you're on the South side of that, you're going to catch some 575 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,600 of it. And so I, I eventually moved 576 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,960 over to the north side so I could avoid that spray, which 577 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,000 put me in that position underneath where that 578 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,480 scaffolding was. And, and now I'm over where some 579 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920 really violent activity is taking place. 580 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,800 And now the guys over there, they've got the, the rubber 581 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,840 bullet guns, they've got the, you know, the, the, the grenade 582 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,360 flash bang grenades, all of the quote, UN quote, less than 583 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,040 lethal munitions that they were using, including those big tank, 584 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080 you know, tanks of pepper spray. And so I've got, you know, 585 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760 camera in one hand and my eyeballs on those guys with 586 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,680 those big tanks of pepper spray. So because I, I do, I don't want 587 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000 to be near anybody deserving of him pulling the trigger on them. 588 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,960 So your, your brain can only take in so much. 589 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400 So there was a protective nature going on right there, you know, 590 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,800 self preservation. I did get hit by one of the 591 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360 flash bangs. It, it exploded about 3 feet off 592 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,120 to my right. Shrapnel came up, hit me. 593 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240 I had a bruise on the side of my knee for about 6 months after 594 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,760 that. So just being in the area, there 595 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,520 were, there were those kinds of concerns, but I didn't have any. 596 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:31,720 I, I felt no political oriented sensations whatsoever until I 597 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,680 left the building. Because when I left the 598 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,960 building, I saw the and filmed and video of the extraction of 599 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Ashley Babbitt out of the building by the EMT units. 600 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880 And I I'm the only cameraman that did capture that. 601 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,160 So many people will have seen that footage and, and it's out 602 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,800 there in lots of different places, as we know. 603 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Well, let me just before we go in and talk about inside the 604 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,960 building because I think that's going to be critical to 605 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,240 discussion why DOJ is interested in you. 606 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,760 I think, I think we got a, we had a question that was put out 607 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120 there by Jigsaw Massacre. One of our regulars says, did 608 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,480 you witness the flare being shot over the Capitol building at 609 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720 2:45 three PM? And if so, do you have any idea 610 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,040 what its purpose was? 2:45 No, I was inside the 611 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,600 building. OK, So at that point you're 612 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,360 you're marching around inside. OK, fair enough. 613 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,080 All right. So you're inside. 614 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,400 Clear we got. We got to be really precise in 615 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 our speech here. I was not marching. 616 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Yes, you. You were walking around and and 617 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720 observing and and documenting things as a charm. 618 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,320 Infuriating is an actual misdemeanor charge. 619 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,880 Isn't that amazing that we are in such a strange, silly world 620 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,720 of that? All right. 621 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,240 My buddy Steve friend mentioned, and I know he you've talked to 622 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,800 him at length and, and one of the things he said is that you, 623 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,880 you're going to be charged for, for upsetting a bench inside the 624 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Capitol. And, and and that was one of the 625 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,000 things that I think that they were really honed in on. 626 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,360 You've been interviewed by the FBI at least once that I'm aware 627 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,600 of. Was there another interview? 628 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,480 There was an attempted interview that was aborted prior to my 629 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,560 actual 2 hour interview in which my attorney and I showed up at 630 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,640 the field office here in Raleigh and they met us at the door and 631 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,720 said, hey, we may not be able to do this interview today. 632 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,480 And we're like, OK, they said, just give us a few minutes. 633 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,720 We'll be back in about 10 minutes. 634 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,000 We're on the phone determining whether we can do this or not. 635 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,680 I had no idea what was going on. So they went back in the back. 636 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,120 We sat in the lobby and they actually, it took on about 1/2 637 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,000 hour before they came out. And when they came out, they 638 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,320 said, yeah, we can't do this, you know, because of your status 639 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,160 as a journalist Press, where we, we can't do this interview 640 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,240 without express written permission from the US Attorney 641 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,320 General's office. I, I didn't even know such a 642 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,560 code existed in the federal code, but it actually does. 643 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,760 And so as a result of that, it took about another two months, 644 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,080 actually over two months before we actually did the interview, 645 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,880 because it took that long for the letter to, of approval from 646 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,600 the US Attorney's office in the negotiation with my attorney. 647 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,720 And then the final proper letter that was that we agreed to for 648 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,880 the interview. All right. 649 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,480 And then you've had recent contact. 650 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,360 This is obviously why we're back out here talking about this 651 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,960 again. So we've entitled this episode 652 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,560 The Subpoena. You had a text message. 653 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,440 It showed up on Twitter that you posted from your attorney. 654 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,080 Just walk people through what that was, what the emotions were 655 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,760 of getting it, and then what it turned out to be. 656 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:17,080 Yeah, 10:25 AM this past Friday, I get a text from my attorney 657 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,720 who and it's my Raleigh attorney, not my DC attorney, 658 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600 telling me that he was contacted by the one of the agents that 659 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:31,360 interviewed me two years ago and said that they had a service of 660 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,440 process that they needed to get to me and did they need to go 661 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,880 through him or, or execute that right directly to me. 662 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,200 So he said I don't know, you let me, let me, let me check with 663 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520 Steve. So he, he called me right up and 664 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,720 or I called him right back from the text and I, you know, what 665 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960 the heck's going on here, man? He said I, well, I don't know, I 666 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,160 have no idea what it is. It's just they noticed me, 667 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,360 notified me service process and I said yeah, call him back, tell 668 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040 him you'll take it. But ask them what the hell it is 669 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,680 and it turns out it is a subpoena from the District Court 670 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,240 there in DC demanding access. Not access, but demanding copies 671 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,000 of all my videos that I took on January 6th. 672 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800 Now, that doesn't sound so ominous, except if there's a 673 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,520 problem. A couple of key legal technical 674 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,000 details you you might be intimately aware of. 675 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360 The first thing is, is this is a grand jury subpoena. 676 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:33,120 A grand jury is not seated for misdemeanor charges, right? 677 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,320 Only for felony charges, even in January 6 cases. 678 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,280 You know your your former colleagues may SWAT people for 679 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560 misdemeanor charges, but they are not sent there by a grand 680 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,000 jury decision. Sure. 681 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,440 The other problem with this subpoena, once it was picked up 682 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,800 by my attorney yesterday morning, is that this particular 683 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,000 subpoena is signed by the actual assistant US attorney who was 684 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,680 handling my case over 20 months ago. 685 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,320 Meaning after my DC attorney saw it and he called me up and he 686 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,400 said, OK, he said, you probably already figured it out, but this 687 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,320 is not good. And I said, OK, why is it not 688 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,440 good? And he said, well, three levels 689 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,679 #1 as you know, if there's a grand jury looking at you, it's 690 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,520 not for a misdemeanor, it's for some felony. 691 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,600 Second thing is the fact that this particular AUSA is the 692 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,040 signatory means that this is your case. 693 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,639 They're not looking at your videos for somebody else's crime 694 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,760 or, or case or, you know, and I said, OK, well, you know, what's 695 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,280 what's the third thing he said? Well, he said the other thing 696 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,520 that makes it evident that they're looking at you is that 697 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:59,520 is that if they were looking at you specifically, they would 698 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:06,120 have to subpoena only your tools of trade, the video itself. 699 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,040 They can't subpoena you on your case, right? 700 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,800 So they can't bring the suspect into the grand jury. 701 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,480 He said that that means he said that they are in fact, he could, 702 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,640 because if this was just a witness testimony, if they just 703 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,760 needed to know what you saw and you needed to authenticate your 704 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,800 video, they could just call you in to testify on somebody else's 705 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,800 case, Said The fact that they're calling your video in means 706 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,440 they're looking at you. So 3 steps, yeah. 707 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,960 So let me just break that down three steps. 708 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,440 You're saying 1 felony because it's a grand jury. 709 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,760 OK, I can get behind that. Two, you're saying that there is 710 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,360 it's targeting you specifically because the assistant United 711 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,200 States Attorney, the prosecutor that was looking at you 712 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,760 initially is the one who signed off on the subpoena. 713 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,360 And then the third is because they are not asking you to 714 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,320 testify. It is likely specifically about 715 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,320 you. They are just getting 716 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,720 information, data that you have and not your personal testimony. 717 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,680 I think, I think it's a fair, I think it's a fair guess. 718 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,640 That is still kind of an educated guess. 719 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,120 Obviously it's not conclusive, right? 720 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,480 But it. Is not, it is not conclusive 721 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,600 from the subpoena itself, but you and I both know that I've 722 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,800 been really hard on them for the last 20 months. 723 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,320 As, as is appropriate right now, there's some interesting things 724 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,560 in the subpoena and, and I think you have it in front of you or 725 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,840 you have at least the text of it. 726 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,600 Do you want to do you want to read some of that interesting 727 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,640 stuff? Because I think people will find 728 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,160 that to be the most concerning. Yeah, I I want to and I'm 729 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,480 absolutely going to be straight up front with this is that back 730 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,480 in our following my original FBI interview. 731 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,000 Let me let me I should probably lay the groundwork for this. 732 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,240 Is that following my original interview? 733 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,520 It was another month before my attorney received an actual 734 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,520 letter or e-mail from the assistant US attorney that was 735 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,560 assigned my case. Her name is Anita Eve, she's out 736 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,800 of Philadelphia, and she actually sent him the e-mail on 737 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,360 November 17th of 2021 in which she said your client, that would 738 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,840 be me, is going to be charged within the week that was her. 739 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,240 That's an exact quote. And we and we talked about it 740 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,120 just after that. Yes, yes. 741 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,400 So your client is going to be charged within the week. 742 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,800 This was November 21. So that's almost two years ago. 743 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,400 And then we did a media offensive, did press releases, 744 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,240 sent out about 200 press releases to media sources of all 745 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:37,560 sizes. And and then we, we, I engaged 746 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,200 my DC attorney that same week. I actually for the first time 747 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,640 had a Congress member, a senator call me Senator Ron Johnson 748 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,360 called me on Tuesday night of that week and asked how he could 749 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,880 help. That's how, that's how fast the 750 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080 word got out. And and then and then on the 751 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,920 follow, the Monday following Thanksgiving of 2021, my new 752 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,000 attorney who is a 22 year former federal prosecutor himself, he 753 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,160 contacted Anita Eve who is with has acquaintance with and sent 754 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,320 her an e-mail. First things that I'm now 755 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,920 representing Mr. Baker and would love to talk. 756 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,080 And then she didn't respond. So he placed a phone call to her 757 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,440 on the Monday after Thanksgiving. 758 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,040 She did not respond and we never heard from them again for 20 759 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,040 months. Over 20 months has passed until 760 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,880 this Friday and they all all of a sudden popped up again. 761 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,760 Now you, yeah. And, and you've had something of 762 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,200 an obsession about January 6th since then, I think rightly so. 763 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,240 Can you talk about some of the things that you've been digging 764 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,720 into in the in the interim that may have triggered some some 765 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:46,120 animosity from DOJ? Well, first of all, if, if, if 766 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,400 you start in my, my earliest work, I was certainly looking at 767 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,960 some of the those odd bird characters in the crowd who 768 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,280 nobody been able to figure out who they are yet. 769 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,920 You know, there's a lot. I spent a lot of time obsessing 770 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,600 over the interesting unindicted provocateurs that were in the 771 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,800 crowd and have written stories about some, some have who have 772 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,800 been identified since and some who haven't. 773 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,680 Some who have been identified and are still not arrested. 774 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,000 Some who have been identified and are now on the Lam overseas. 775 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,640 Think things of that nature. And so then of course, it ended 776 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,600 up as my investigative trails naturally developed, I ended up 777 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,920 in relationship with quite a few of the Capitol Police officers, 778 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,040 ended up developing whistleblowers out of the 779 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,760 Capitol Police, Some who have actually come out and become 780 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,920 whistleblowers and then others of course, who are still unnamed 781 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,080 sources that would would come out if they genuinely believe 782 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,360 they would get protection for for doing so. 783 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,400 What do they think will happen? Out of curiosity, what's that? 784 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,560 What, what do they think will happen if they come and speak 785 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,960 out and and what do they base that on from your every? 786 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,240 Single one of them who has either come out or not, says our 787 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,200 lives will be destroyed. Destroyed. 788 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,840 And this is despite the fact that in the last two weeks, 789 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,280 there's been two separate House Administration Committee 790 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,920 meetings in which the existing House existing Capitol Police 791 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,240 Board, as well as the new police chief have both promised the 792 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,960 country. You know, right there on C-SPAN, 793 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,280 right, come hang out right out of, you know, the, the, the, the 794 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560 hearing rooms that whistleblowers will be 795 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,320 respected. They will be protected. 796 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,520 And that is of utmost importance to them to be sure that the 797 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,600 rights and the protections and the procedures are followed for 798 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,240 capital whistleblowers. To which, of course, I get on 799 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,960 the phone with the acquaintances that I've made within both 800 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,160 retired and otherwise within the United States Capitol Police, 801 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,360 and they all had exactly the same word for what those men 802 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,160 said in those hearing rooms. Bullshit. 803 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,520 Yeah, it sounds a lot like what Chris Wray said. 804 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,520 Yeah, I don't. And I and I and I don't have to 805 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,200 send them a script. That's the first phrase that 806 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,920 comes out of their mouth. Yeah. 807 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080 And so nobody has any faith in the whistleblower protections 808 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,400 because we know there's no teeth in them. 809 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,280 And I'm I'm assuming they're seeing what's happened to other 810 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,080 people. They've seen what's happened to 811 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,720 you guys. They've seen the, you know, that 812 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,960 they've seen the weaponization committee hearings in the way 813 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,920 that they were treated, obviously, particularly by the, 814 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,720 the Democrats on that committee, but also how you guys have been 815 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,920 treated otherwise. They've seen the IRS 816 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,760 whistleblowers and how they were treated. 817 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,360 They, I mean, look, even even the, the, the Twitter Files 818 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,800 guys, you know, Taibbi and Shellenberger and all they there 819 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,480 to have to have congressman calling them so-called 820 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,800 journalists. Right. 821 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,520 You know, and and and I'm like, hello, you know, me too. 822 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,720 Right. About a me too movement right 823 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,360 now. And, and so these are the, these 824 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,600 are the kinds of things that they're, they're that those guys 825 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,000 are up against. And then I don't know where we 826 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,120 left off on, on my particular story here getting to where we 827 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,520 are today. But when we got the, when I, 828 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,440 when I got the, Oh no, I've got to, I've got to go back to, I've 829 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,080 got to go back to November of 21 because there was an exchange 830 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,320 between my attorney, my Raleigh attorney and this assistant US 831 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,920 attorney. And part of that exchange was, 832 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,960 was when my press release went out on the Monday of 833 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,720 Thanksgiving week. That went out at 9:00 AM on 834 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:28,680 Monday morning, Thanksgiving of 2021 by 115. 835 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,000 She already had a copy of the press release because she's 836 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,680 monitoring my comms or somebody is sure and she sent a copy of 837 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,520 that press release to my attorney and said we're not 838 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,240 happy about this. To which my return, my attorney 839 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:50,000 responded, well, why are you saying that my clients are forgo 840 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,000 forgo his First Amendment right to talk about the persecution 841 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,960 that he's potentially about to undergo from the federal 842 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040 government? To which she responded and said, 843 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,000 no, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that a judge who 844 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,040 eventually handles his case will not look favorably upon this. 845 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,920 And so I'm just, you know, concerned for him. 846 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,560 Let's say let's hang in that little space for just a moment, 847 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,520 if you would. All right. 848 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,840 So the First Amendment says that Congress can make no law that 849 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,960 bridges our our freedom of speech and assembly and the 850 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,120 press and so on, right? And so we have this belief that 851 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,000 the government is not supposed to weigh in on that arena. 852 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,880 And yet over and over, that's what we see. 853 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,000 Like there's no other way around it. 854 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,400 The FBI is involved in First Amendment protected activities, 855 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,440 whether it's going after, you know, parents at school board 856 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,520 meetings who are speaking out and have that right or people 857 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,560 that are in a Catholic Church that want to do the Latin Mass. 858 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000 And and that's their, you know, they they should be free from 859 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,720 government intervention or journalists who are engaging in 860 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,520 a traditionally protected activity of covering newsworthy 861 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,360 events. I mean, was there ever a time 862 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,840 that you recall journalists were being prosecuted for being, 863 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,200 let's say, on the wrong side of a riot when they were capturing 864 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,800 footage of said riot? No. 865 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,320 And, and of course, just being a journalist is not carte blanche 866 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,120 to be anywhere at any time, you know, whether whether we're 867 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,640 talking about state law as it applies to journalistic 868 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,280 activities or federal law, you, you do in fact not have the 869 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,840 right to cross a restricted area line or prior or to enter a 870 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,400 private facility from whoever owns that, you know, that that 871 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,240 property. And, and the same thing is true 872 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,320 of even if it's an arbitrary restriction at the Capitol that 873 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,940 day. I mean, they were under quote UN 874 00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:34,680 quote, COVID protocols. So technically the Capitol was 875 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,920 not open to the public. And then technically, even 876 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,680 though the Capitol Police had issued permits for protest on 877 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,400 the lawns and indeed on the steps of the Capitol, which were 878 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,560 then set up arbitrarily inside restricted spaces, it still 879 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,160 doesn't technically give a journalist a right to access 880 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,880 there. On the other hand, as is 881 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,240 adjudicated, you know, innumerable times, both state 882 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:07,600 and federally, is that when a journalist does safely and 883 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,160 behaving themselves professionally does follow a, a, 884 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,360 a riot, a crowd or or a crime scene into a restricted area, 885 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,760 they're generally, it's like, OK, you know, we understand why. 886 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,160 There's that kind of newsworthy exception that has always. 887 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,880 Sort of existed exactly. And not and not and. 888 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,680 And there are exceptions to that as well. 889 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,520 There are times when their journalists have been prosecuted 890 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,040 for for trespassing. Sure. 891 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,360 Now one of my acquaintances is Bill Shipley, who's been 892 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,600 defending a lot of January Sixers and has taken on and set 893 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,840 up sort of legal defense for them. 894 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,360 Former federal prosecutor has articulated the following. 895 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,600 And I think it, I think it's worth noting that in his view, 896 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,360 and I, and I think it's the right view, the federal 897 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,880 government doesn't have any skin in the outcome of a prosecution 898 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,440 that people like me who did my old job, their job is to go out 899 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,520 and uncover whatever truth it is, build whatever the strongest 900 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,520 case it is, including exculpatory evidence, if if that 901 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,360 exists. And they are supposed to put 902 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,720 that out. And the judge's job is to 903 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,480 mediate things fairly and to make sure that they are in, you 904 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,800 know, consistent due processes is done. 905 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,720 And the prosecutor's job is to mount a credible prosecution. 906 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,440 And the defense's job is to make the best defense possible. 907 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,040 And the jury's job is to sort out which is true, which is 908 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,840 false, and whether it meets the standard as given by pattern 909 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,080 jury instructions. And nobody really has any skin 910 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,520 of the outcome. The outcome is sort of supposed 911 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,400 to be outside of the emotional realm of whether or not we won 912 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,840 or we lost. It's not about that sort of 913 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,320 thing. Or the financial realm. 914 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,800 All those things are not supposed to really come into it. 915 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,480 There's not a punishment aspect of the of the prosecution. 916 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,000 We don't really we're supposed to be agnostic in in the way 917 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,480 that the the process is meted out. 918 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,640 In fact, the government's only interest according to Bill 919 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,000 Shipley, and I think it's very, very interesting, is that fair 920 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,520 process is supposed to be done. That's the government's primary 921 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,080 interest. The rest of it like the outcome, 922 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,400 you know, guilty, not guilty, acquitted, mistrial, hung jury, 923 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,360 all these things are are not really part of the government's 924 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,280 interest because why would it care the government. 925 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:15,040 Exactly if, if it is indeed the Department of Justice, then that 926 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,360 should be the only end goal. That should be the only end 927 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,560 game, right? That's not what I have seen in 928 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,840 these January 6 trials. I have seen first hand with my 929 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,440 own eyes sitting in the courtroom. 930 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,160 I have seen the deliberate manipulation of evidence. 931 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,960 I've seen the deliberate expungement or the, the, the 932 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:42,280 courts block the judges in a highly prejudicial way, allowing 933 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,640 inculpatory evidence and excluding exculpatory evidence 934 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,360 that was equal and opposite and should have, should have 935 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,040 countered each other's in any fair minded jury's eyes. 936 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,240 And, and I've seen that block, I've seen the, the, the DOJ and 937 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,680 the judges collude. I've seen, witnessed and heard 938 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240 the FBI agents lie on the stands. 939 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,040 I'm talking about bald faced lies. 940 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,960 And as you know, I've had access to the 41,000 hours worth of 941 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,200 videotape And one of my stories is, is I am going to show that. 942 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,840 And conclusively I've got the smoking gun. 943 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,080 I have the kill shot to prove a case where that happened in one 944 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,720 of these trials. On top of that, they're telling 945 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,840 you to be quiet and there was something in your subpoena I, I 946 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,320 believe that mentioned something very similar to what the, the 947 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,360 Instinct devil were not happy about you speaking out with your 948 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,360 original press release. Can you kind of flesh that out 949 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,960 for people? Yeah, I'll just, I'll just read 950 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,640 it. This is this, this came is 951 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,440 pinned by the same AUSA who told me that they were not happy 952 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,680 about my press release 20 months ago and the cover letter of my 953 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,400 subpoena actually says this in the final paragraph before her 954 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,200 signature. And I quote, although you are 955 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,040 not required to do so, you are requested not to disclose the 956 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,360 existence of this subpoena. Just let that set in for a 957 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,880 minute, Kyle. Yeah, just read that again. 958 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,640 I think that's worth that's worth a repeat. 959 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,800 Although you are not required to do so, you were requested not to 960 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,360 disclose the existence of this subpoena, not let me keep going 961 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,360 from there. And any such disclosure could 962 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,080 impede the investigation being conducted and thereby interfere 963 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,000 with the enforcement of the law. They're threatening you with 964 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,680 obstruction. Absolutely. 965 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,040 That, that, that that's all that paragraph was designed for was 966 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,600 because she knew that the last time they threatened me with 967 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,520 prosecution that I executed a media offensive against that 968 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,840 threat. And they decided to just go 969 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,080 ahead and draw the line right here. 970 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,520 They put a red line down. And so they admit in the first 971 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,680 before the 1st comma that it's, it's not illegal for me to do 972 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,640 so. Although you are not required to 973 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,760 do so, it says you are requested not to disclose the existence of 974 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000 the subpoena. We hear about grand jury 975 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,680 subpoenas all the time in the in the news. 976 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,320 Well, the first thing is they sent you a non sealed publicly 977 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,680 available through public means. They sent you a letter, a 978 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,760 document that you have physical, you know, they didn't come and 979 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,320 show it to you and say, hey, we're showing you this and then 980 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,960 we're taking it and you need to comply with it. 981 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,320 There's nothing classified about what was there. 982 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,960 There's nothing that gives them the right to conceal this 983 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,000 information. And once it's in your 984 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000 possession, you can do with it whatever you like it. 985 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,000 It reminds me of something that happened to our friend Steve 986 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,800 Friend. He was the on the recipient end 987 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,200 of a investigative target letter from the Internal Affairs unit 988 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,920 that basically said you are are being told in no uncertain terms 989 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,120 that you are not allowed to disclose the existence of this 990 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,040 particular investigation into you to your spouse. 991 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,120 You can't disclose this to your attorneys. 992 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,200 And and none of these things have any legal standing. 993 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,760 And yet they're out there, you know, they're out there going 994 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,680 and attacking people in the public space simply under threat 995 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,480 of force. And, and for me, this is where 996 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,160 it gets really, really scary because who in the world told 997 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,480 them that this was a technique that they could utilize? 998 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,800 And how high up does it go to approve that sort of thing? 999 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,760 How, how far has our government fallen where they think that 1000 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,240 they are able to weigh in on people under threat of, of 1001 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,360 essentially violence, right. Because we're talking about men 1002 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:31,320 with guns coming to your home. And this, this is not just a a 1003 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,960 warning not to exercise my First Amendment privilege as a 1004 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,360 journalist. This is a warning against my 1005 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,520 First Amendment privilege. Privilege as a citizen writ 1006 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,680 large, in this particular paragraph, in this. 1007 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,000 Well, and there's, there's no legal distinction in the 1008 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,720 Constitution of what is and what is not the press. 1009 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,120 You know, there's some case law that is basically established 1010 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,600 what we would consider regular press. 1011 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,640 People use the term citizen journalist, but I think it's 1012 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,360 wrong. I think we're all just citizens 1013 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,800 and you have the ability to engage in journalism should you 1014 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,600 choose to. Yeah, you can start a news. 1015 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,280 I mean, whether you're Ben Franklin or Thomas Paine, you 1016 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,120 can start a, a flyer, you know, campaign or you can start a 1017 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,160 newspaper. And neither one of them had to 1018 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,920 apply for a permit or a license to do so. 1019 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,880 And we're seeing that in the in, in a really weird way that the, 1020 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,760 the sort of sycophantic government, you know, 1021 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,400 mouthpieces that exist in the media right now, They're running 1022 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,520 their stories by the government. They're getting their stories 1023 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,880 from the government. I've seen this in our own sort 1024 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,200 of releases. We, we've shared some 1025 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,080 information and I'll just kind of, you know, let you kind of a 1026 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,400 pine on this in a second. But some of the things that I 1027 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,800 have have exposed Chris Wray doing some of his work and, and, 1028 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,360 you know, flying around in the jet and all this kind of thing 1029 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,320 worked with a journalist, you know, for Daily Wired, Brandon 1030 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,840 Dre, good guy. We went out there, we put 1031 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,240 together a piece. I gave him all the background 1032 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,480 information. I told him where to look, what 1033 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,760 to dig. He came up with it. 1034 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,240 The FBI issued a statement and he included the gist of the 1035 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,000 statement, but he didn't directly quote them because the 1036 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000 direct quote was sort of bullshit, as you mentioned 1037 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,080 earlier. It, it just was, it was false. 1038 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,160 They, they denied everything and then and they said it in a 1039 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,480 pretty way. And so him not quoting them got 1040 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,720 him another phone call saying we're really displeased with the 1041 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,440 fact that you didn't include our entire quote. 1042 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,520 As though they had some right to explain to people how that they 1043 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,400 were supposed to frame an argument against what was said 1044 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,240 and that they had some right to tell people how to think. 1045 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,200 And a lot of this goes in. Have you, have you been 1046 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,840 following this sort of CISA development, this sort of 1047 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,080 cognitive infrastructure usage? Are you familiar with that? 1048 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,360 Not not not sure. Well, let me let me bang this 1049 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,200 off you. So in 2018, President Trump 1050 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,600 signed into law the creation of the new federal agency is the 1051 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,560 Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Administration, CISA. 1052 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,240 And CISA, like every other government agency, has been 1053 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,280 involved in mission creep, right? 1054 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,080 They've been slowly gaining authorities and they've been 1055 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,040 basically pushing themselves into space that didn't exist 1056 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,840 previously. And one of the things that they 1057 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,840 have written, they've committed to this in writing because 1058 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,320 infrastructure is their mandate that they actually have a duty 1059 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,160 to act in the cognitive infrastructure space. 1060 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,440 Now just think about the government doublespeak that's 1061 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,760 involved in that. But what would you imagine 1062 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,520 cognitive infrastructure looks like? 1063 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:00,640 You're a smart guy. You've you've been around 1064 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,520 government doublespeak for a while. 1065 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,000 Well, yeah, I, I, well, first of all, if, if they say cognitive 1066 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,160 infrastructure, I would say that would be all-encompassing. 1067 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,920 I don't think that there's any limit on that nomenclature at 1068 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,400 all. And, and the way they frame it 1069 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,480 is essentially they're talking about your brain matter, your 1070 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,880 your Gray matter between your ears. 1071 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,120 They're going to police what's going on in there and make sure 1072 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,960 that it's safe and the way that they do it. 1073 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,320 And this is critical to what we just spoke about again, and I'll 1074 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,960 let you kind of come back at me with that. 1075 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,880 But by by protecting the cognitive infrastructure, it 1076 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,920 gave them license to censure. It gave them the license to make 1077 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,280 sure that what goes in is only the safe ideas. 1078 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,880 This is a big piece of weight where the Twitter Files and the 1079 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,080 Missouri V Biden case is gone. And even in your case where they 1080 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,840 tell you don't, don't go out there and share this 1081 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,120 information, they don't want any of the bad information to go out 1082 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,800 without their spin. And, and I'm not even, and I'm 1083 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,960 not even opining in here. They're literally just telling 1084 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,360 us this in real time. We can go out there and observe 1085 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,720 in their own words that they think that they have a right to 1086 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:57,520 tell you how you should think because it's the safest way for 1087 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,640 the government. Now they're telling you that you 1088 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,920 can't even disclose the existence with with threat of 1089 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,800 force and under threat of investigation for for 1090 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,480 obstruction, but with no right to do so. 1091 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,160 Literally, they're explicitly forbidden from doing that by our 1092 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,240 Constitution, which in theory they actually swore an oath to 1093 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,320 and. And, you know, one of the things 1094 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,400 that we have done over the last four days since I was notified 1095 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,640 that the subpoena was coming was, you know, spent hours on 1096 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,000 the phone with both my attorneys. 1097 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:28,320 And we're just perplexed at what this felony try because again, 1098 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,680 it's a grand jury and they were going to charge me with a felony 1099 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,880 20 months ago that I don't know if you remember in our first 1100 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,680 conversation, I told you they were going to charge me with 1101 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,000 Interstate racketeering. Right, because you made money 1102 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,040 off your video. Right. 1103 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,200 It was absurd on his face. I mean, every single independent 1104 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,320 journalist on the planet either has a sub stack or a locals 1105 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,160 page, or they license their videos if they're a videographer 1106 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,000 to. And my videos were used in HBO 1107 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,800 documentary, the New York Times documentary, as well as news 1108 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,360 agencies all over the world licensed use of my video. 1109 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,280 And that's just the, you know, that's the way it's done. 1110 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,520 I mean, on January 7th, I had, I had licensing agencies calling 1111 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080 me saying we want to represent your video, right? 1112 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,840 Why? Why did they know to call me 1113 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,080 Kyle? Because I was already 1114 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,120 established as a guy in the media, independent though I may 1115 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,120 be. I wasn't working for a big 1116 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,280 company, but I was already established enough to know that 1117 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,000 by the time my information went out in the, the, you know, the, 1118 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,160 the, the interwebs on the evening of January 6th, that 1119 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,240 there were people that were attuned enough and aware enough 1120 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,040 of me and my work to follow me and, and begin calling me. 1121 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,800 I mean, the first call I got the next morning was from Fox News 1122 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,560 and said, Hey, we want to, we want to, how much for all your 1123 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,400 video? And then the next call I got 1124 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,120 was, you know the, the aggregators, the story full and 1125 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,120 I ended up signing a deal with them directly. 1126 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,400 And so the. And just for people to really 1127 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,280 just dig into that, literally, you were threatened with a 1128 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,000 charge of racketeering, which is to say an organized crime that 1129 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,280 you were in this conspiracy to travel between Interstate lines 1130 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,280 and videotape something that you could not have known was going 1131 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,640 to happen because nobody else seemed to. 1132 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,680 Because apparently even the Capitol Police missed it. 1133 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640 And so did all the intelligence agencies, although we don't 1134 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,840 necessarily believe that. But there was a, you know, 1135 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,960 apparently it escaped law enforcement, but it didn't 1136 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,120 escape Steve Baker, who traveled between states with the 1137 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,760 intention of videoing something to make money off it. 1138 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,080 Right. You know, I'm, I'm one of those 1139 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,160 smart guys. That's it. 1140 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,880 So and, and, and that's, that's the absurdity of the claim. 1141 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,240 That's why it's absurd on its face. 1142 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,320 That's right, because either they admit that they couldn't 1143 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,320 have seen, foreseen this, or it was foreseeable and they failed. 1144 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,400 In which case there's a bigger problem than you. 1145 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,200 Very. Very nature of an Interstate 1146 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,280 racketeering or racketeering charge is that first of all 1147 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,640 there has to be collusion. First of all, I had to have for 1148 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,640 knowledge of a criminal event and then I crossed state lines 1149 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,680 therefore to profit or to, you know, be remunerated for the my 1150 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,400 participation in that criminal event. 1151 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,680 Sure. And and so with, you know, with 1152 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,880 a charge of up to 20 years in prison for that. 1153 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,280 And so that's what they notified that I, that I was going to be 1154 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,640 charged with the first time. Obviously our assumption at the 1155 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,640 time was that they were just trying to scare me into a, you 1156 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,120 know, quick plea deal down to the glorified trespassing charge 1157 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,920 and and get their notch on the belt and send me on my way. 1158 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,760 And in the earliest conversations with the AUSA and 1159 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,840 my attorney, the question was from her, your, your clients not 1160 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,840 really planning on going to trial with this is he and she in 1161 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,280 my attorney was like, well, you seen the shit he writes. 1162 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,600 He's not going to he's not going to bend the knee. 1163 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,760 And that's where we're in here we are 20 months later and 1164 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,440 that's exactly where we are again, a grand jury 1165 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,080 investigation as you know, and this is this is mind block 1166 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,720 boggling to me. And you know it more intimately 1167 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,920 than I, you know, even though I've, I've read hundreds of 1168 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,400 January 6 charging documents, you always have the Afient. 1169 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,680 It's almost always a, you know, an FBI agent who writes up the 1170 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,280 criminal complaint and describes in detail the reasons why they 1171 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,960 believe that there was a crime committed or 4 or 8 or 11 crimes 1172 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,520 committed that this particular person needs to be charged with. 1173 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,840 And then that's handed over to the DOJ. 1174 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,680 They make the decision, it goes through a grand jury, whatever. 1175 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,280 And so that's the process. So as as my attorney met with 1176 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,000 him yesterday morning to ask this particular FBI agent, 1177 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:25,120 Special agent Noya's and he says, So what, what's going on 1178 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,440 with my client is are are you guys, I mean, are y'all 1179 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,880 reopening up the case against him or whatever? 1180 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,720 He go? Oh man, I, I have no idea. 1181 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,880 I don't, I mean, I don't know. And I'm, I'm thinking to myself, 1182 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,360 you, you, you lying bastard. First of all, you were the guy 1183 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:48,880 after my first interview who wrote up this document that you 1184 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:54,920 felt like that there was sufficient grounds for me to be 1185 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,160 charged with Interstate racketeering. 1186 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,600 Are you effing kidding me? What did you see in our 1187 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:08,200 interview that gave you any idea that that would be? 1188 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,280 A valid assertion or criminal charge, I mean. 1189 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,640 And what makes me different than any other journalist paid by any 1190 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,720 agency anywhere in the world from the New York Times all the 1191 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,640 way down to like a Substack subscription based journalist? 1192 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,040 What sets me apart that I get that because I'm the only one 1193 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:35,640 out of the over 1100 people charged with January 6 offenses 1194 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,720 to this point, I've never seen the word Interstate racketeering 1195 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,240 associated with any other defendant. 1196 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,600 What what made me different? What did I know and, and what 1197 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,920 you said earlier is exactly I should take it maybe as a badge 1198 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,800 of honor or a compliment because if they're if their intelligence 1199 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,160 failed them that day of Capitol Police intelligence failed them 1200 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,680 that day. If Metro P DS Intelligent failed 1201 01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,720 that day and I'm the only one that knew. 1202 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,600 You're it. Yeah. 1203 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,880 You're, I mean, you're the only guy in the know in America, 1204 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,760 apparently. Good me, good for me. 1205 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,680 Yeah, well done. And it it is, it is kind of a 1206 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,080 stagger. Like I said, I as someone who 1207 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,000 doesn't have an interest in any of this stuff, when I used to do 1208 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,400 investigations, it's like, can I disprove my case? 1209 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,560 That's the way science works. That's the way that a real 1210 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,280 investigator works from a skeptical position. 1211 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,080 It's like, let's start with the supposition that he did these 1212 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,600 things. Well, if he did, then he would 1213 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,000 have had to have the jump on all the intelligence agencies, on 1214 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,280 all the different law enforcement agencies. 1215 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,400 Well, that's illogical. And that's going to be the first 1216 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,760 line of maybe I'd be a good investigator for a defense 1217 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,080 attorney because so many of these times I see these, these, 1218 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,840 these questions and the line of questions should be really 1219 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,800 straightforward. It's like the gotchas are the 1220 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,320 same on either side. If you, if you start with one 1221 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,320 premise and you go to disprove it and it's really easy, that's 1222 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,360 a really bad case. That's not a case that I want to 1223 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,480 go on and and move forward with. And I used to shoot down cases 1224 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,600 all the time when they would, they'd pitch them to you, They'd 1225 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,680 go, well, you know, this person got defrauded out of this money. 1226 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,120 And it's like, OK, well, where's the fraud? 1227 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,600 Well, someone showed up and said these things and then they 1228 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,840 signed a document. So they voluntarily engaged in 1229 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,320 transactions, didn't receive payment for it, thought they 1230 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,320 would broke the terms of service for their credit card company 1231 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,000 for accepting, you know, credit cards with no Idi mean it sounds 1232 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,640 like a bummer but but is there a crime here and can I actually 1233 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,160 prove it? And I don't think that I can. 1234 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,280 And so if you go into those attitudes like that, you should 1235 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,960 be basically trying to walk away from cases, not because you 1236 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,320 don't want to do cases, but because they're not good cases. 1237 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,520 And and what is the case against you in that case? 1238 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,480 Like I said, you're gonna have to argue basically that your 1239 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,480 knowledge and your intelligence base as an independent 1240 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,920 journalist running around the world with a sub stack and with 1241 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,080 a with a local's account and and some independent subscribers 1242 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,000 were able to get the jump on the entire U.S. law enforcement 1243 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,960 apparatus that was running in the Capitol on that day. 1244 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,560 It's it's absurd on its face, one would think. 1245 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,760 And yet don't obstruct them, please. 1246 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,840 Right. Well, and this is, this is what 1247 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,320 my suspicion is. And I, I, I, I having seen so 1248 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,480 many of these trials related to January 6th, is that my 1249 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,160 suspicion is that they are trying to entrap me in a process 1250 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,800 crime of some sort right now. I think that that's what they're 1251 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,240 up to. Like, for instance, there's been 1252 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,320 over 20 months since I had that. It's been, well, almost two 1253 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,400 years since my interview with the FBI. 1254 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,840 Sure. And in that too, you know, when 1255 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,000 I left that that when I left the interview that day in a closing 1256 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,360 comments, you know, we're laughing, joking with the agents 1257 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,160 and friendly shaking hands and telling stories just, you know, 1258 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,600 being a bunch of guys. And so one of the things they 1259 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,200 said, you look, look, until this thing is all settled, be sure 1260 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,920 don't delete anything from your devices. 1261 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,320 Don't delete anything from your phone. 1262 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,800 Don't delete anything from your computer. 1263 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,040 I'm like, OK, you know, no problem or whatever. 1264 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,320 Well, Kyle, it's been two years ago. 1265 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,920 I have a new phone. I have a new computer, right? 1266 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,640 I before, I mean, the the reason I got a new computers, I was 1267 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,880 running out of memory in my old computer. 1268 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,840 I, I trashed, you know, untold numbers of gigabytes worth of 1269 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,160 data out of that computer. Sure. 1270 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,600 As as people do, as they move forward, technology continues to 1271 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,560 move forward. Your abilities, your needs are 1272 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,360 going to change. Most people swap a phone out 1273 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:02,800 there. I mean, here's the other thing. 1274 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,720 You go out there after a Steve Baker and say, listen, he, you 1275 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,240 know, he got rid of his phone and we believe that's an 1276 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,040 obstruction or we believe that he was trying to conceal 1277 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,960 evidence. And then you go, what's the 1278 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,000 regular turn around rate that that is an exchange program with 1279 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,040 T-Mobile for a phone that is being used. 1280 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,920 Oh, it's 12 months, you're eligible for an upgrade or six 1281 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,240 months you're eligible for an upgrade. 1282 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,920 So the average American can go and live his life, but Steve 1283 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,440 Baker has to live in pause in in 2021. 1284 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,480 Is that what has to happen? And that's absurd. 1285 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,560 And so I, I am absolutely convinced that this subpoena for 1286 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,480 my, my videos, because first of all, all right, if they're 1287 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:42,040 looking at me, Kyle, they've got me on hundreds of hours of other 1288 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:48,440 people's videos that day, right? They've got me on 17138 CCTV, 1289 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,240 you know, Capital cameras that day. 1290 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,680 They've got me on all manner of cell phone video that they have 1291 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,360 captured from that day. They've got me on Metropolitan 1292 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,520 Police body cams that day. They have enough video on me to 1293 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,280 determine whether I committed any crime of any kind that day. 1294 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,440 I've already said yes, I was inside the Capitol building. 1295 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,360 OK, so our first of all, are you going to selectively prosecute 1296 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,520 me and not the other 80 to 100 mainstream media journalists 1297 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,440 that followed the story into the building that day? 1298 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,160 OK, so you are going to do that because why? 1299 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:25,640 Because I didn't work for one of those cartel journalists that 1300 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,640 provide you guys with information every day? 1301 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,760 Or is it because I was independent? 1302 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,600 Or is it because my narrative did not comport with the Pelosi 1303 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,160 establish and preserve the narrative of January 6th theme? 1304 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,240 Yeah. What? 1305 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,520 I mean, what is the reason why I'm being selectively 1306 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,040 prosecuted? But more importantly, you know, 1307 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,640 beyond any shadow of a doubt there is. 1308 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,040 It's irrefutable by all available evidence that I did no 1309 01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,520 violence, I broke no stuff. I did not attack any law 1310 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,800 enforcement officers. I did not parade. 1311 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,960 I was not wearing Trump gear. I didn't carry a flag. 1312 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,600 I didn't chant. I never chanted USAUSAI, never 1313 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,800 said whose house, our house. I never sang the Star Spangled 1314 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,800 Banner. I behaved as a journalist that 1315 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,600 day, from the moment I arrived arrived until the moment I left 1316 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,800 that building. And what are you looking for? 1317 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,080 And there is no good answer. No where is the felony in this 1318 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,680 except that they're trying to create one right now and that's 1319 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:28,040 what I think that they're up to. Sadly, I think you're right and 1320 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,560 I think that's the country that we're living in, which is why 1321 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,520 they've discredited one of the things that has bothered me so 1322 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,520 much. And people get really upset 1323 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,840 about Nazi references, but, but they're so easy to make. 1324 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,120 That's so easy to draw parallels between what happened in the 1325 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,400 Third Reich, what happened during COVID, tyranny and so on 1326 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,000 that they, they're almost a 1 to 1 mixture. 1327 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,040 And one of the first things that went on in the Third Reich was a 1328 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,240 undermining of the judiciary and the credibility of the 1329 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,200 judiciary. And so I've covered it on my 1330 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,960 program, the 1st letter to judges, how they expected the 1331 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,240 judiciary to rule. And we are seeing a very similar 1332 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,240 sort of action plan and the fact that they're all being charged 1333 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,600 in, in DC, that they're all being charged under, you know, 1334 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,800 under a very favorable situation to the government. 1335 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,560 As you mentioned, the government has basically made arguments 1336 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,120 earlier on that there's so much video, there's no way they could 1337 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,160 give access to all of it. And so people are not entitled 1338 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,680 to a, a, a strong defense, a fair defense that they've thrown 1339 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,200 out Brady decisions that they are not giving access to the 1340 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,840 exculpatory information that should exist. 1341 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,280 And then we have people that are perjuring themselves. 1342 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,640 And I'm not seeing Giglio being revealed after all those things. 1343 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,040 It, it, it's just mind numbing. Where does this go? 1344 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,600 That's the other real question. You've got more years on the 1345 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,920 planet than me. You've got maybe closer to the 1346 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,560 fire, but also you've been kind of a disinterested observer 1347 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,840 who's trying to document things. Where in the hell does this go 1348 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,920 'cause I think people are just absolutely flabbergasted and 1349 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,920 people like me include. We may have talked about this in 1350 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,760 our our previous marathon, but the bottom line is, and this is 1351 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,800 the most important thing that the American people need to know 1352 01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,000 and this is what I got since I've talked to you, I've 1353 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,320 actually met with Jim Jordan. I met with Representative Mike 1354 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,600 Johnson from Louisiana, I've met with Troy Nell staff, but the, 1355 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,840 the most significant conversation I had was when I 1356 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,360 had with Jim Jordan. This was two months ago. 1357 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:16,000 And I got in his face and I, you know, I said, Sir, with all due 1358 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,800 respect, and I was addressing the fact that he had no 1359 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,439 intention to address January 6 issues in the weaponization 1360 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,399 committee. And I said, with all due 1361 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,040 respect, you do not know and understand what's going on in 1362 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,439 these courtrooms. And I said, let me just give you 1363 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,240 a couple of examples. And I did. 1364 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,760 And I, I not only told him that I had two stories that I 1365 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,560 couldn't bring to the American public without his protection. 1366 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,359 Why do I need, why does a journalist need congressional 1367 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,720 protection to tell a story? It's because of the 1368 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,720 weaponization of the government against people like me. 1369 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:50,960 That's the first thing. But the second thing is, then I 1370 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,319 said this, and this is where where I'm going is that the most 1371 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,359 important thing that we're seeing in these January 6th 1372 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,800 trials is the weaponization against the 1st Amendment. 1373 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:02,560 It's not. They're not. 1374 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,640 They're not they don't care that somebody took a a flagpole to an 1375 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,200 officer or sprayed them with some bear spray or whatever. 1376 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,800 If you if you took a flagpole to an officer and whatever, 1377 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,160 whatever that crime qualifies you for in terms of your 1378 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,240 sentencing if it's 24 months in jail or whatever the case may 1379 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,640 be. If you also additionally posted 1380 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:32,720 on your Facebook page videos and you chanting and you taunting 1381 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,120 the police and you're doing other things like that, then you 1382 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,040 probably got 48 months, right? All right, if you were a 1383 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,399 grandmother and you're 60 years old and you walked through the 1384 01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,359 Capitol and for 10 minutes and you took a couple of selfies and 1385 01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:49,560 you walked out, you probably were able to plead down to two 1386 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,399 years probation, $500 fine, you know, 50 hours community 1387 01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:56,240 service, whatever like that. Go back home and try to repair 1388 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,120 your life because you were kicked out of all of your clubs 1389 01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,640 and your organizations and, you know, your church and everything 1390 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,120 else. So after your arrest. 1391 01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,560 And so if you were a grandmother who walked into the building for 1392 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,920 10 minutes and you took a couple of selfies and you chanted 1393 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:17,400 USAUSA, you got two months in prison or 6-8 maybe. 1394 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,400 If you're an independent journalist and you work for and 1395 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:25,080 you're an independent journalist, let's be very clear 1396 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,160 about this. And you only had a cell phone in 1397 01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,280 your hand and your name is Luke Mogilson. 1398 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,960 And you walked through a smashed window. 1399 01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,880 You didn't go through an open door. 1400 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,640 You went through a smashed window and you went into the 1401 01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,920 Senate. And you've caught the famous 1402 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,240 iconic video of the Q Anon shaman praying inside the Senate 1403 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,960 chamber. If that was you and you 1404 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,320 submitted your story to The New Yorker and you use the word 1405 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,760 insurrection and insurrectionists in your story, 1406 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,280 you haven't been charged with a crime. 1407 01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,480 But if you were a professional videographer from Pensacola, FL 1408 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:04,360 and you showed up with all of your high end expensive 1409 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,200 professional camera gear and you went through the exact same 1410 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,240 window at almost the exact same time as Luke Mokelson. 1411 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:14,000 And then you paralleled him throughout all the entire 1412 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,000 Capitol and into the Senate chamber, recording the same 1413 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,600 events that Luke Mokelson did. But when you went in and you 1414 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,400 were a Trump guy and you got caught up in the moment and you 1415 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:30,000 said, USAUSAUSA, you got eight months in prison. 1416 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,520 That's the only difference between those two men's 1417 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,160 activities that day. So what are they suppressing? 1418 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,600 The same thing that they're trying to suppress in the cover 1419 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,920 letter of my subpoena. They're trying to take this away 1420 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,040 from us. They're trying to take our 1421 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,120 words, our speech, our thoughts, our cognitive, cognitive 1422 01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,320 abilities. And that's what these trials are 1423 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,480 about. I mean, these are, these are 1424 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,480 look, the the Oath Keepers were were, were convicted of bot 1425 01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:56,280 crimes. They were convicted of violence. 1426 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,440 Yeah, they were convicted of conspiracies that didn't 1427 01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:00,240 actually happen. I've talked about this with 1428 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,480 prosecutors. I've never seen conspiracy. 1429 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,520 The only conspiracies that I've ever seen charged when the 1430 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,000 actual crime did not go down was a crime of violence that was in 1431 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,600 progress and interrupted because of some special knowledge the 1432 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,440 government may have had. The great example of that would 1433 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,240 be you have a wire up. You know, there's a conspiracy 1434 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,880 to move drugs around and do this other thing. 1435 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,960 And then in the middle of it, they say, by the way, we're 1436 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,080 going to go off this guy and we're in route. 1437 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,640 And then you go interrupt them because you have a duty to sort 1438 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,280 of protect the public or you have a duty to to stop and 1439 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,640 notify this person that there's imminent harm coming their way 1440 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,960 because you know about it. And so the government will go 1441 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,200 and arrest people and route to a conspiracy to commit murder, 1442 01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,120 let's say innate of racketeering or so on. 1443 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,400 And then they'll get hit with a conspiracy of a thing that 1444 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,720 didn't happen but was progressing. 1445 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,800 We have after the fact, no interdiction conspiracy charges 1446 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,560 that were done without the conspiracy ever being enacted. 1447 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,280 Whatever that conspiracy was, the thought of it was enough. 1448 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,760 No proof. In fact, in the Oath Keepers 1449 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,360 trial, all 7 FBI agents who testified, testified under cross 1450 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,440 examination that never one single time did they ever find 1451 01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:05,880 evidence of an order from Oath Keeper leadership to enter the 1452 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,680 Capitol, to storm the Capitol, to harm Congress members, to 1453 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,920 interdict the certification of the election. 1454 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,280 That they and then once the prosecution realized that they 1455 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,240 were getting their butts handed to them by the defense about 1/3 1456 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,920 of the way through that nine week trial, they switched gears 1457 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,280 and it became a conspiracy of that was hatched on the Capitol 1458 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,040 steps in the moment. It was a conspiracy of mental 1459 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,200 telepathy, right? It's it's instantaneous 1460 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,600 conspiracy people. And, and that was, it was a 1461 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,280 spontaneous combustion of conspiracy with no words spoken 1462 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,760 between any of those individuals. 1463 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,440 And, and, and I'll, I'll never forget. 1464 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:47,840 I was there for the sentencing hearing. 1465 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,640 And Judge Amit Mehta said to Stewart Rhodes, the founder of 1466 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,200 the Oath Keepers, And this is a paraphrase, but he said, he 1467 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,760 said, you're smart, you're eloquent, and you know how to 1468 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,000 lead men. Therefore you're a danger to 1469 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,240 society. I'm going to put you away for 18 1470 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,520 years. That's it right there. 1471 01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,400 Right there. I think so much of these, these 1472 01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,960 prosecutions have not just been going after people, but making 1473 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,880 examples in order to say that don't ever do this again, don't 1474 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,920 ever gather again, don't ever speak out again. 1475 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,160 This is what it feels like for me. 1476 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,520 And, and I'm a little bit too emotionally involved in this 1477 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,440 for, for any kind of journalistic activity. 1478 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:25,840 This is, this is certainly not that. 1479 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,000 This is advocacy at my, you know, I'll, I'll own it. 1480 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:33,200 And it's definitely, it's an emotional opinion that I have, 1481 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,480 but watching the way that people are treated, watching the 1482 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:38,680 subjugation of, of whistleblowers and, and making 1483 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,520 the examples of them, the way that my buddy Garrett said, he 1484 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,280 went out in front of Congress and said this government will 1485 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,280 crush you. This government should have no 1486 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,200 interest in one thing or another. 1487 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,680 It should only be interested in providing the service that it 1488 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,280 does and be limited in that that scope. 1489 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,120 And instead it is aggressively, aggressively pursuing actions 1490 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,840 that benefit not the people, but the government specifically, 1491 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,880 like the the agencies of the government are out there 1492 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,760 pursuing their own ends. That that is the definition of 1493 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,560 weaponization to me. Do you have any? 1494 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,800 Do you have any thoughts on on where this where this ends for 1495 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,080 you? Where, where it ends for me 1496 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,040 right now is still an unknown. I, I have, we have made the 1497 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,160 decision, as you know, in this, in this, in a subpoena for my 1498 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,680 video, I have the ability to opt to send that to them 1499 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,160 electronically or to actually hand it over to the agent in 1500 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,800 charge. And so I in consultation with my 1501 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,200 attorney yesterday, we decided that I'm going to appear, I'm 1502 01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,800 going up next Wednesday and I'm going to face the grand jury. 1503 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,720 I'm going to say what the Hell's up. 1504 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,080 They do have the possibility of at least asking questions during 1505 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,040 that, which is a possibility, so that might be interesting for 1506 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,480 you. Yeah, it should be interesting, 1507 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:49,400 but it would have the easy route would have me would have been 1508 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,120 for me to just hand them a flash drive with my videos on it. 1509 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,520 But I've decided to making appearance there next Wednesday 1510 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,280 and see at the district courthouse. 1511 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,040 So where it goes from there, I don't know Where I go from 1512 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:00,840 there. I don't know. 1513 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,280 You know, I, I'll, I'll tell you that I've, you know, I've had I, 1514 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,280 I, I told my children more than, you know, two years ago. 1515 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,240 They're, they're adults. I told them I said you're 1516 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,400 there's, there's a because of the work I'm doing. 1517 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,760 I said there's a high likelihood that, that your father will not 1518 01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,680 finish his life as a free man. And I've prepped them for that, 1519 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,720 you know, for a long time. And, and you know, I'm, I'm not, 1520 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,960 I'm not either patting myself on the on the back or, or trying to 1521 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,920 execute a grift here of some sort. 1522 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,240 But Kyle, I think, you know, I think I've told you offline 1523 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,880 before one of the stories that I'm working on and it's 1524 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,640 explosive. And I have read House 1525 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,680 Weaponization Committee investigators have been read 1526 01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,800 into this story. I spent 4 1/2 hours with them 1527 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:51,520 two weeks ago. Investigative members of the 1528 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,360 Heritage Foundation have been read into the story, as well as 1529 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,280 a couple of other friendly journalists. 1530 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,440 So that if anything happens to me, if I'm Clintonized or 1531 01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:03,480 Arkansided or whatever you want to call it, the story is still 1532 01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:06,320 going to come out. And it is a January 6th story 1533 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,400 that is explosive. And everyone who has seen this 1534 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,080 story so far has said that this is going to be the first a 1535 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,560 cornerstone of the House of Cards to be pulled out from the 1536 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,960 January 6th narrative and the most significant part of the 1537 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,760 story. And This is why I don't believe 1538 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:24,720 that this timing of this re engagement of our re initiation 1539 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:30,240 into prosecuting me some 20 months later is that I have I 1540 01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,920 have absolutely no doubt that they are not aware of this 1541 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,720 story. And it specifically implicates 1542 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,920 the FBI and the DOJ in conspiracy and cover up 1543 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,800 specifically in these a couple of these trials. 1544 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,000 And not only that, but the fact that we know that senior FBI 1545 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,360 executives were pushing the specific narrative that I think 1546 01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,480 that you can pull out on, you know, amongst other things, but 1547 01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:56,480 that they are committed to it. They committed their careers to 1548 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,040 it. And they rode, they rode that 1549 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,360 wave up to the top of positions that they shouldn't have ever 1550 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,320 been holding. And then and they have a vested 1551 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:05,720 interest in in concealing it, I think. 1552 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,560 So that's where where this leads is is interesting. 1553 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,480 It's it's what a time to be alive, huh? 1554 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,160 A strange time indeed, and a strange time. 1555 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,360 Sad time for the America. Like I said, I do believe that 1556 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,040 the America that I grew up in would have invaded the America 1557 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,040 that I live in. And I will say it again because 1558 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,680 it's this is what the Banana Republic looks like. 1559 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,040 And when you start undermining your judiciary, then you end up 1560 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,240 in a world where you can't trust it. 1561 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,280 Tell people if they're interested in your journalism 1562 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:33,920 where they can go and do that. We'll throw that up there. 1563 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,200 It's going to be in the show notes as well. 1564 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,880 But give them kind of a verbal if you would. 1565 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,840 Yeah, the the, the easy way and the short way to type it is just 1566 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:47,840 to go to tpcforusa.com, tpcforusa.com and that is my 1567 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,800 locals community. It's free to subscribe, but for 1568 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,920 as little as $5 a month. As we mentioned before, you can 1569 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,280 support the work that I am doing. 1570 01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,640 And I've not set up a Gibson Go yet. 1571 01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,760 I'm I'm not going to do that unless I am indicted. 1572 01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,560 But yeah, there, there we go. There's the image for that. 1573 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:06,760 And then of course, with the same exact handle TPC for USA, 1574 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,280 you can find me on Twitter and Facebook and True Social. 1575 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,240 So it's, I've, I've simplified it in the course. 1576 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,600 Obviously my Rumble channel is where I put all my videos out. 1577 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,240 And the Rumble channel is the same thing, TPC, the number 4 1578 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,160 USA, they can go and search that and they'll find that you did a 1579 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,480 really good interview recently with TK Johnson as well as a 1580 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,000 bunch of others. And some of your some of your 1581 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,960 digging into what did and did not get investigated on the 1582 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,080 January 6th the front, which is a lot of things that did not 1583 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,120 that seem very interesting. And a lot of things that have 1584 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,760 been have investigated that have yet to be revealed. 1585 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,680 That's fair. Couple of juicy bits coming. 1586 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,760 Well, I hope that folks, I hope you can share this video. 1587 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,640 And then the reason why is because the noise is part of the 1588 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,560 safety cloud that we build for guys like Steve, for guys like 1589 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:54,880 me. Honestly, this is one of the 1590 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,720 reasons why I do what I do. It's one of the reasons why 1591 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,440 Steve has no choice but to do what he's doing. 1592 01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,440 Why people like Garretta Boyle and and and Steve friend, not 1593 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:04,320 like my buddies who have done the the verbal cover. 1594 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,160 We have the media cover is that they know in the in the Court of 1595 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,200 Public appeal. The case is already being waged 1596 01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:13,640 and, and they're trying to stifle it literally in Word, 1597 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,720 they are putting it in writing that they would like to stop 1598 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,960 that sort of thing. So they can just have you shut 1599 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,080 up and take your lumps and and the government can continue on 1600 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,720 with its weaponized process. So that's really scary stuff. 1601 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,520 Steve, thanks for sharing a lot of stuff. 1602 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,840 Thanks always for being candid with us. 1603 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,600 And you know, anytime you want to come back on and chat, we can 1604 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,120 do it for a long or short as you like. 1605 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:32,920 And we will promote this not as much. 1606 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,560 I'm going to try to get some other some other podcasts and 1607 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,400 some other types involved. So we'll keep getting your story 1608 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,400 out there. And then your, your handles on 1609 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:46,080 truth and Twitter are the same. The TP #4USA TPC #4 USA, which I 1610 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,720 follow books. You'll see me post some of us. 1611 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,960 Steve, stop. Thanks so much for joining me 1612 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,760 this morning, buddy. I'm going to go down and shut 1613 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,640 the day down and then panic about the how bad our, our 1614 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,720 existence is right now in this country, which is, which is 1615 01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:57,840 terrible. Every time we talk. 1616 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,120 It's not, it's not a great feeling, although I enjoy your 1617 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,280 company. But we're we're in it. 1618 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:02,800 We're in it for the long haul. That's it. 1619 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,080 Yeah. No other choice on that. 1620 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,360 All right, ladies and gentlemen, you've been listening to the 1621 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,160 Kyle Seraphin show. We are stream live from Liberty 1622 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,560 Hill, TX. So we do want to thanks a couple 1623 01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:11,800 of people. First of all, we're going to 1624 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,480 thank you for being here and for joining us. 1625 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,080 We want to thank all the new monthly subscribers that we have 1626 01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,040 on Rumble and we've got a five star review. 1627 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,520 As you know, you can post them on Apple. 1628 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,120 Nearly 650 strong so far and we appreciate all every one of them 1629 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,880 including this one from Page NORI. 1630 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,920 Don't know if there was more to that, maybe Page Noir. 1631 01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,520 It says always informative Kyle and all. 1632 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,800 I love your podcast. I learned so much and I enjoy 1633 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,800 your guests. I hope you enjoyed having Steve 1634 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,440 friend Steve Baker on here rather the pragmatic 1635 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:43,440 constitutionalist, ladies and gentlemen, TPC, the pragmatic 1636 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:47,560 constitutionalist, the #4USA TPC #4 USA. 1637 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,800 Don't forget to like this on Rumble if you haven't done it 1638 01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:50,840 already. Scroll down, hit that like 1639 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,360 button. Leave us comment there. 1640 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,320 If you have something, you can always go and you can tweet or 1641 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:58,040 you can truth it at Steve Baker and you can give him your 1642 01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,920 support as things go on. 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