1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,560 agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,040 welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show. 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,000 If you are seeing this, that means that I am on the road. 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,720 I am traveling in Idaho and Montana, and I have left you 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,960 with some interesting parting gifts for the week that I'm 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,280 going to be away. I think you're really going to 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,480 enjoy today's conversation. 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Joe, what's what is that? 113 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Well I got you blocked out here. Let me get you. 114 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,720 You got thrown off Twitter again. 115 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,760 What's going on, man? I did. 116 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,840 I got thrown off Twitter again and it, you know, I've been 117 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:09,160 thrown off. I think I've been thrown off of 118 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,240 everything. The only thing I haven't been 119 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,880 thrown off yet is truth. I've got you. 120 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,760 I got your truth. We'll plug that at the end for 121 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,120 sure. You got a good following over 122 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,560 there. You're starting to build it up. 123 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,800 Let's start off with who you are. 124 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,680 Look, some of the some of my guests probably haven't seen you 125 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,160 before. We we run in some different 126 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,160 circles. So, Joe, where are you from? 127 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,200 Where'd you grow up? I grew up in the hood. 128 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,680 We got to be more specific. I grew up in the DMV, Virginia, 129 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,600 Maryland, Washington, DC I spent my life there, and then I moved 130 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,120 to Colorado about, say, oh, 27 years ago. 131 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,040 And I've been here ever since and just done a lot of crazy 132 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,760 stuff out here and had a lot of fun. 133 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,320 And I have a before Jesus and then after Jesus. 134 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Which part do you want? Well, let's start at the 135 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,040 beginning here. What did you grow up? 136 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,920 What did you grow up doing in Virginia, Maryland, the DC area? 137 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:56,640 What? What was your. 138 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,600 I mean, were you into sports? Were you were you an athlete? 139 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Oh, yeah. Were you a nerd? 140 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,040 I was, I was an, I was an athlete and I was into dealing 141 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,280 drugs. Talk more about this. 142 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:16,680 I, you know, at 16 years old, I left home at 15 and sold drugs. 143 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 So I literally, I didn't. But I was, AI was an 144 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,760 entrepreneur, so I wanted to sell drugs in bulk. 145 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,000 So I had big packages of them and I would, I guess I was a 146 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,400 mule. So I didn't really sell drugs. 147 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,640 I just, I muled them. And so I did that for a little 148 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,960 bit. And then I just decided that I 149 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,480 didn't want to be. That's not the type of guy I 150 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,840 wanted to be. And you know, so I just kind of 151 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,800 moved sports, changed my life, right. 152 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:45,120 So played football and basketball and wrestling and and 153 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:52,560 then I moved to, you know, I I went to school and then man and 154 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,600 the rest is kind of a blur. And. 155 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,880 Hung out with five. I hung out with five guys in 156 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:04,360 school and one of them went to jail for 15 life. 157 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Was it for a violent crime? I mean, got in a fight, hit a 158 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,560 guy, a guy hit the side of a table, fell over and died. 159 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,520 But I mean, it's a it's kind of AI actually. 160 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,320 Haven't told that story ever. Let's talk about it, but. 161 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,440 But he is. He's a plumber now, so he's out 162 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,200 of out of prison. He loves Jesus. 163 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,120 But because we both were in a different life then than we are 164 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,600 now, we I think we both decided that just because I can see that 165 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,440 he's changed and he can see that I changed, we hung out with each 166 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,360 other when we weren't changed. Does that make sense? 167 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Yeah, your connection's from literally a different life. 168 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Yeah. Uh huh. 169 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:50,000 So then, so then I I went to, you know, I kind of, I'll kind 170 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,440 of start from the in Colorado part because there's a lot of 171 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,680 stuff that happened to me when I was a kid that I was just, I was 172 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,520 just bad. I was just not a good kid. 173 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,040 I was. I'll just tell you, I was not a 174 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,680 good kid. But not dumb. 175 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,440 No, I was not dumb. I was not dumb. 176 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,400 And I was a really good entrepreneur, 'cause I just, I 177 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,760 figured that standing on the street and selling drugs would 178 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,280 be one thing, But selling drugs in bulk, where I have to just 179 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,640 spend 3 hours doing it and you make like four or five grand, 180 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,760 you know, it was. You only have to do it once a 181 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,880 month. Way higher payoff way lower 182 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,560 exposure. What what drugs were you moving? 183 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,280 I'm I'm really curious what was the thing that you were moving 184 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,920 at the time? I think it was cocaine. 185 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,559 You're given a package. Let me just tell you how it 186 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,120 works. You were in the FBI, so you 187 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,559 probably know this. You're given a package, you're 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 given instructions. Typically it just goes in, 189 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,840 You're transported from one place to the other. 190 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:46,360 So I just transported from one place to the other and I didn't 191 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,800 ask a lot of questions. I did ask after the second time 192 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,880 of them handing me money, that my money be separate than their 193 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,920 money because I didn't want to go back and hand somebody an 194 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,320 envelope and wait for them to give me money. 195 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,840 I just thought it was too risky. So I was like, hey, can you just 196 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,280 split it out for me so that I can mine's in a different 197 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,280 envelope? Just limit your exposure time 198 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,560 there, yeah. And what kind of people, what 199 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:06,520 kind of people are you dealing with? 200 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:07,440 Who? I mean, who's? 201 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,880 Who are you transporting with? I don't need you to get super 202 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,880 specific, but like, what? Are they organized? 203 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,920 Are they independent operators? Are they affiliated with 204 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,040 something outside the country? What? 205 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,800 What does that look like? You know, there's a saying. 206 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,040 Loose lips sink ships, and I don't think there's any time 207 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,240 limit on that, right. So I mean. 208 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,480 Self preservation is a good instinct. 209 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,960 I'm not mad. Well, I'm, I'm already on the 210 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,840 left's list of people that they want to take out. 211 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,400 I'm. I'm on the list of the rhinos 212 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,840 they want to take out. I mean, I got involved in a lot 213 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,680 of different things that frankly, I didn't want to get 214 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:41,360 involved in. Yeah, if you go look up your 215 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,400 name on the on the Internet, it's not a lot of positivity, it 216 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,720 turns out. Yeah, I was at one time. 217 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,400 I mean, I'm a 2020 Ernst and young Entrepreneur of the Year 218 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,080 finalist, right? I mean, I built a tech company 219 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,560 from a cocktail napkin to one of the larger data companies in the 220 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,160 country. I'm a I'm a gun dealer. 221 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Now I have. People, people call you at all 222 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,960 hours. Yeah, people call me at all 223 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,560 ours, especially when I'm on the podcast with you. 224 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,560 That's really kind of a different one. 225 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,280 No, but I. People don't know this, but 226 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,400 before we got started here, you're like negotiating out, 227 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,000 selling off a vehicle. You got your hands in a lot of 228 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,640 pies. But OK, well, I bought. 229 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,920 I bought the. I bought. 230 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,960 I have this GTO. Anybody want to buy it? 231 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,000 It's a 67 GTO. I've had it for about 7 years 232 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,000 and you know, I have. I have a new toy that I bought, 233 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,440 which is a 1989 Eleven SC that I want to do some work on. 234 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,720 And so my wife said no more toys. 235 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,920 So my cousin had somebody that wanted to buy it, and they're 236 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,400 literally going through it saying if they wanted to give me 237 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,960 less money than I wanted to take for it. 238 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,880 And so I told him I'd pay him to sell it. 239 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,640 Yeah, so he's trying to get me to sell it for as little as 240 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,880 possible, and I'm trying to figure out if he's maybe putting 241 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,200 some money in his own pocket. He's an East Coast boy too. 242 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,040 There's, there's that hustle attitude. 243 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,000 OK, let's let's push you. OK, East Coast. 244 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,720 At some point, did you decide that the drug game was not for 245 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:04,920 you? Did you decide there was some 246 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,680 danger there? What was the the calculus that 247 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:12,560 made you move out to the mountains or was it running 248 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:13,920 after a girl? There's a lot of reasons why 249 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,080 people run off. In different places. 250 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,680 I mean, I came, I came here because of AI moved here with a 251 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:21,480 girl, I moved to Colorado with a girl and that didn't work out, 252 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,720 you know. But from that relationship came 253 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,960 two beautiful children who now are grown but and we're still 254 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,120 friends. Again, I'm still friends with. 255 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,200 I don't know if I should say this on here. 256 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,640 I'm I'm friends with most of my ex girlfriends still. 257 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,920 That's probably a good thing to have. 258 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,800 Here I don't have. Yeah, nobody wants. 259 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,760 I'm friends with my ex-wife and I mean my children are amazing. 260 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,160 It it keeps you from having like strangers showing up that have 261 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,720 some deep seated hatred for you. I'm sure the less the more we 262 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,600 can eliminate those people. I mean, they're different kind 263 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,120 of strangers. I know you've had some antifa 264 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,040 run insurance, but having people in your personal life that 265 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,880 actually know something about you that actually might have a 266 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,680 reason to either think if they think positively in your past, 267 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,920 that's good. OK, so chase a girl out there 268 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,840 doesn't work out. You got two kids coming out of 269 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,560 it. You told me you were going to. 270 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,960 Tell me kids are amazing. So then there's another part in 271 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:19,080 this that's kind of every part of my life is not normal. 272 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,160 Like it's just not normal. My dad's black. 273 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,000 My mom's white. My whole family's interracial. 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,480 My brother was murdered by a police officer in 2017 in the in 275 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,760 the DMV I I run guns now. So I mean I have 3 three gun 276 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,400 stores in five ranges and we're the largest seller of guns and 277 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,320 ammo and or one of the largest in Colorado. 278 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,440 We're a Sig Elite dealer. We have a lot of fun. 279 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,000 I've dabbled in pretty much everything. 280 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,760 But before I got into all that stuff over the last 17 years, I 281 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,800 kind of ran with a bunch of guys that thought that I was just 282 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,920 smart and special. And so, you know, I built up a 283 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,920 couple companies before, made a bunch of money in my 20s, 284 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,360 thought that I was untouchable. You know, the the the old 285 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,720 kool-aid adage. You know, you drink your own 286 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 kool-aid and you, you find out real quick that, you know you're 287 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,320 not too big to fail. And so I, you know, I did. 288 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,320 I did a bunch of cool things and then 2007 happened. 289 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,680 I got defrauded out of a hedge fund. 290 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,880 I mismanaged people in capital. I blew up two companies, really 291 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,440 just catastrophic business failure. 292 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,200 And that happened in two, actually two, late 2006 and then 293 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,800 in 2007. I guess that's when kind of my 294 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,280 life just changed for the better. 295 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Let's talk about that. What happened? 296 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 I think, I mean, from a faith standpoint, I think Jesus just 297 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,680 kind of grabbed a hold of me. I mean, I I couldn't stop 298 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,200 thinking about. I remember sitting in this room 299 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,280 and someone was talking about taking Jesus out of a box and I 300 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,240 just seen all these different things. 301 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Yeah. Thanks for that coffee. 302 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Appreciate you had. I've seen all these different 303 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,800 things in my life. I've seen, you know, I've seen a 304 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,680 lot. I mean, growing up in DC, you 305 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,360 you just see a lot, you see a lot of of violence, right? 306 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,400 And then my parents were kids having kids when they had me and 307 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:20,480 my brothers, and so they talked about taking Jesus out of a box. 308 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,880 And so I I did. I took Jesus out-of-the-box and 309 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,320 started just studying the Bible. And all my friends that I hung 310 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,280 out with didn't really want to hang out with me anymore because 311 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,640 they'd say I was a Bible thumper. 312 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,960 And I talked to them about Jesus and and it and it got really 313 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,400 weird for me because I couldn't figure out how it had taken me 314 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,440 so long to get to a place where that was my focus. 315 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,080 Like that was my true north. And in the middle of all that, 316 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,000 I'm, I'm fighting lawsuits and I'm losing money and I'm 317 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,240 fighting the state and I'm getting in all sorts of of I 318 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,600 mean just I'm, I'm, I'm not there's no fight or flight. 319 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,840 It's only fight. I don't have a flight in me and 320 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,680 I've always kind of never walked the line. 321 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,880 So here's the line And everybody's like, hey you get 322 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,120 close to the line. You can't do anything illegal. 323 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,560 You can't do anything unethical. Why stay completely away from 324 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,640 it, even if it cost me money? Well in this case in 2007, 325 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,960 everything came crashing down around me and it had a lot more 326 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,560 to do with the fact that I was just in that fight or flight or 327 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,680 shoot me. I was in that fight mode and and 328 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,440 I just didn't pay attention and I was AI was just not doing what 329 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,760 I think you should be doing. You know I didn't honor my my 330 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:31,640 girlfriend who at the time who's my wife now and and I just 331 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,600 didn't. I didn't do, I didn't do right 332 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,120 by the people in my circle. I was a Playboy. 333 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,000 And so, But my life changed in 2007. 334 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,560 My life changed. And I remember somebody calling 335 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640 me saying, hey, do you want to go to the Middle East? 336 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,560 And I didn't. I hated Middle Eastern people in 337 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,520 2001. I'm from the East Coast. 338 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,040 I mean, for me it was, I hate Muslims, right? 339 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,560 I had all sorts of names for Muslims and I I spared no 340 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,400 expense in using those words freely, even if people were at 341 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,160 at restaurants, right. And so. 342 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,800 Did you know a lot of Muslims? I didn't know a lot of Muslims. 343 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,520 No. But. 344 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,280 So he asked me if I want to go to the Middle East. 345 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,560 And, you know, I was. I got pretty deep into prayer. 346 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,160 I mean, I I didn't really. It's not like I grew up without 347 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,240 faith. But I got into prayer to try and 348 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,320 figure out, like, what's going on around me, like, can I have a 349 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,000 burning Bush? And I have no idea what I'm 350 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,480 going to do next. And then I got this phone call. 351 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,960 And so I ended up going to Saudi Arabia, of all places. 352 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,200 And you'd say, well, Joe, how do you go from, you know, over here 353 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,160 building a company, having some big partners and, you know, 354 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 having some really bad things happen here and everything 355 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,720 collapses. And then all of a sudden you're 356 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,360 like, ah, you know what? I just want to follow? 357 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Geez, I have no idea what that looks like. 358 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,160 I really don't want to get back into business. 359 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,080 I'm trying to just figure out what happened over the last 360 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,960 year. And then somebody says, do you 361 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,560 want to go to Saudi Arabia? I mean, just think about that. 362 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,720 It's not even, it's not even normal. 363 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:58,880 Is that normal? Is that normal to you? 364 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,760 No, that's bizarre, but. I. 365 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,200 Let me What made you think? What made you even open to 366 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,240 hearing somebody comes to me today and says, hey Kyle, do you 367 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,000 want to go to Saudi Arabia? My answer is going to be no 368 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,440 thank you. I've got some other things going 369 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,720 on. So there has to be a, a, a 370 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,640 particular willingness. You you talked about getting 371 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,240 sort of humbled. Is that is that the right word? 372 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Getting kind of leveled by some things? 373 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,000 I I don't know if you call it humbled or just crushed. 374 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,359 OK. Like if you if you could imagine 375 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,480 walking down the hallway and you look at a light on this side and 376 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,400 on this side and you start seeing these doors, right. 377 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,560 But every time you close the door, all the doors are closed. 378 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,480 And so you feel like you're just walking down this hallway and 379 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,320 you're just doing what what you are being led to do. 380 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,960 It's it's the it's the weirdest feeling in the world. 381 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Because every time I would go, yeah, I'm going to go do this, 382 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,600 it was like door closed over here, door closed. 383 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,640 And the only one that stayed open was hey let's go to the 384 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Middle East. And it literally was that that 385 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,880 strange. So there, so there's this door. 386 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600 So what's the answer? So I'll walk through it. 387 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,600 And I went to Saudi Arabia and I met with some amazing people and 388 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,640 people that I thought were that I thought were bad people. 389 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,160 And I went there with the idea that this is not going to end 390 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,800 well here. I'm this Christian guy. 391 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,040 I'm. I'm kind of a new Christian. 392 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,480 So I'm talking about Jesus a lot. 393 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,520 And you go there and it's the complete opposite of a paradigm 394 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,000 crash. Start meeting people and you're 395 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 talking to people that are Muslims about Jesus. 396 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,160 I mean, so think think about that. 397 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,680 You're you're a Christian. You don't think that you've read 398 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,760 all the stuff that Muslims hate, Christians. 399 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,840 And I mean, I I read it all right. 400 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,560 And so. So I'm looking at this, this 401 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,720 group of people and they're, they're praying. 402 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,840 I don't know anything about, you know, Arabic. 403 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,040 I don't know anything about Muslims. 404 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,120 Heck, I can count how many times I walked into a room and I went 405 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:49,000 to. I'm left-handed. 406 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,600 And you know the one thing you're not supposed to do in a 407 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,120 Muslim country, just put your left hand in to grab a roll or 408 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,800 grab food. And so I'm like nom nom, nom, 409 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,920 nom, nom nom talking, having these conversations with people. 410 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:01,920 And I got my hand left hand in the middle of the table and I'm 411 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,280 grabbing stuff. People are all looking at me 412 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,320 like, Joe, you're not supposed to do that. 413 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,680 And then I would meet some great people. 414 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,880 You start meeting, you know Shaq's and and Princess and King 415 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,920 Abdullah and you have all these different interactions with 416 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,440 different people, not just on this one trip but on multiple 417 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,920 trips. And so you're, you're a little 418 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,520 kind of freaked out about it, 'cause you're like, you don't 419 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,400 even know how important they are or aren't. 420 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,800 Like, it's not, it's not the same thing as being, right. 421 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,320 There's not, like 50 bodyguards around them. 422 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,840 It's they're just regular people. 423 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,760 And they're wearing a dress. I don't, I don't know if you've 424 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,160 ever, I mean, it looks like a dress to me, right? 425 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,360 And I'm wearing a suit and they're wearing a dress. 426 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:44,120 And I'm kind of, you know, kind of like looking at that, Like, 427 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:44,560 what? What? 428 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,640 What is that? Kind of jealous, 'cause they 429 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,880 look pretty comfy. They look, they look really 430 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,160 comfortable and then you start wandering in your head like they 431 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,560 have anything on underneath that. 432 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Is that like, is it? Just set it up. 433 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,680 Just. Going like, yeah, it's a normal 434 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,520 thought. I think that's. 435 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:58,760 Yeah. What's going on, what's going on 436 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,600 with this dress? Yeah. 437 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,400 I mean and and you don't really know what's going on, but you're 438 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,320 in the middle of it. So you're like, OK, I'm just 439 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,760 going to kind of go about my business. 440 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,480 I'm going to pretend that it's tiger stripe boxer shorts like 441 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,760 that. They're in like a combat role 442 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,960 for jungle and they're all wear and. 443 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,560 They're all wearing different headgear, too. 444 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,840 So you're like, what does that mean? 445 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,960 What does the red and white mean? 446 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,760 What does the yellow mean? This is. 447 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,000 I mean this is the man in a foreign land. 448 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,040 This is the fish out of water experience. 449 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,680 Many Americans never have this, by the way. 450 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,360 They never go to a culture that is completely different than 451 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:28,800 their own. A lot of us stick to Western. 452 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,760 I mean that's me too. I The closest I ever got was 453 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,640 somewhere like a Poland and and that you want to. 454 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Poland. It's a little different. 455 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,840 It's a little bit different. They don't speak my language. 456 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,320 They look a lot like me still. They thought I was Polish. 457 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,840 I couldn't understand anything that was going on. 458 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,920 But you're in a a completely foreign area where people are 459 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,400 dressing differently. They're speaking differently. 460 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,360 They're eating differently. Yeah, And they're receiving you 461 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,240 with a lot of grace, it sounds like. 462 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,440 Yeah. And then what sets when you 463 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,320 know, when you. I mean, I know this this isn't 464 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,240 about faith and it's not about. It's not about, it's not about 465 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,040 faith at all. But there's something that 466 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,320 happens when you're there and you feel really bad for all the 467 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,960 things that you had said before, right. 468 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,160 And so then you start re examining you know who is the 469 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,000 enemy. And I'm a big reader, right? 470 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,960 So I I love to read. I mean I I I still to this day I 471 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,600 I got books that are sitting around me and I'll just pick a 472 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,880 book and I'll read it. And I just love reading. 473 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,120 I love reading about everything. So I love reading about history. 474 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,720 I love reading about technology and and which is really what led 475 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:32,760 me to do the the company that I have have now but but I but I I 476 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,240 just started reading so I read the Quran. 477 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,200 I didn't say Joe why would you read the Quran. 478 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,080 It's not like I was trying to convert myself to to Islam it's 479 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,360 that I wanted to I saw I wanted to seek to understand. 480 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,680 I wanted to understand what I had missed for years prior to 481 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,560 that right. And you know, I believe that my 482 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,160 growing up and growing up in a in a world that I think is 483 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,440 probably more racist than it is now, even though they say that 484 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,320 everyone's racist now. I think it was much different 485 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,880 when I was growing up in the 80s because, you know, I'd see my 486 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,800 mom go to work for my to my dad's work and they would fire 487 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,120 him. He's really hard worker. 488 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:08,640 He's one of the hardest workers out there. 489 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,800 And they would fire him because, you know, she's white, he's 490 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,880 black. You know, white people hate you 491 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,360 because your dad's black. Black people hate you getting 492 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,360 mom's white. You don't really fit in 493 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:17,960 anywhere. You grow up fighting. 494 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,160 I mean that's really what what happens. 495 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,880 You end up, you know, on the street brawling a lot and so. 496 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,840 And this and you know if I can interject for one second, I've 497 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,320 got a really good buddy who grew up in Maryland and had a very 498 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,240 similar experience and you know he's a white guy ended up 499 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,120 marrying a black woman. They've got these beautiful 500 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,960 little kids. But he's like, we all, we catch 501 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,320 weird looks in certain places because even though that's 502 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,360 pretty common in, I think, accepted in polite society, it's 503 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:47,400 still there's places where that is that is not very common. 504 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,880 And she's also, you know, she's like literally from Africa. 505 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:52,000 So she's got a very specific look. 506 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,800 And if she wants to, she can sound very W African. 507 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,080 And that's really amusing to me. She's really aggressive with 508 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,120 him, which is also funny because he's like, he's a brawler. 509 00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:59,840 He's all like, he's built kind of like you are. 510 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,400 He's built, you know, muscular, athletic, you know, solid dude. 511 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,240 He's got a neck tattoo, which you don't always see. 512 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,840 And he looks like a hard guy. When I saw him, I'm like, oh, 513 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,400 that guy's probably a felon. That was my first thought. 514 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,600 And I was like, I'm going to have to watch him. 515 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,400 And he ended up being like one of my favorite people. 516 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,120 And he's not a felon. He's not a felon. 517 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,640 No, he's. I mean, he had some, you know, 518 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,320 childhood troubles a lot like what you were talking about. 519 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,240 He got himself into a lot of trouble and and then ended up 520 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,000 being the guy that is the opposite of that. 521 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,880 He's the guy that's watching people and trying to help 522 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,560 people. And he ran a liquor store and 523 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,600 dealt with all kinds of people that were, you know, shady and 524 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,520 had people stabbed right in front of him in his own store. 525 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,040 And he's like, hey, what are you guys doing? 526 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,520 This is my business. You know, he's like, he's a 527 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,560 business guy. So interestingly enough, there 528 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,200 is still that thing happening and like you said, the 80s in 529 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,160 some parts of the country. That is still the reality. 530 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,960 And it's not the places that you'd think. 531 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,760 It's not the Mississippi's to me, it's not the Alabama's or 532 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,880 whatever. I mean, a lot of it's like DC, 533 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,360 Maryland, it's, it's Northern Virginia. 534 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,120 It's the place where you'd expect a lot of progress to 535 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,360 happen. For some reason, it's gone the 536 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,240 opposite way. Yeah, it's really weird to watch 537 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,000 and. It it is. 538 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,040 It, it is. And you know you you build these 539 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,960 relationships, these melting pots as you get older and then 540 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,320 you start seeing that that doesn't carry over necessarily 541 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080 to the professional world. And you know obviously nobody 542 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,040 knew that my dad was black. And so I would go into these 543 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,440 business deals and I remember losing lots of business deals 544 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,720 because they would use the N word. 545 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,280 We sit at the table and this this business guy that wants to 546 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,920 invest a bunch of money in this thing that I'm doing, use the N 547 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,840 word and you know I'd I'm triggered. 548 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,800 I'm truly triggered like I, you know, I mean, if I guess in the 549 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:31,920 term I went saw, I went leftist for a minute, I would literally 550 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,200 get. Yeah, it's. 551 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,880 I mean somebody who exposes a kind of just like casual 552 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,280 bigotry, though, that's a problem. 553 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,000 I think I I don't like it it it it it maybe just the child of 554 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,560 where I am. But I I get that same idea. 555 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,480 I'm not the same way. I don't have a parent that's in 556 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,320 that category. But you know, I got a bunch of 557 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,200 buddies to serve in the military with and you said that and 558 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,680 you're like, how dumb are you? That's my real question actually 559 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,480 is how ignorant are you that that makes sense to you to use 560 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,880 it that way? Because you know, there's people 561 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,760 that are garbage everywhere, but it's not about their race, at 562 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,480 least not my experience. Fair enough. 563 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,200 And and I so, so as I got into this Middle East thing, I would 564 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,800 I I was a math guy, so I, like, knew how to solve problems. 565 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,720 And it's kind of this freakish almost autistic. 566 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,440 I'm not autistic, but kind of like that feeling where you can 567 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,120 you walk into something and you have vision. 568 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,360 And I often refer to it as I see dead people. 569 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,600 Right. That I I can figure it out. 570 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840 Like if somebody put something in front of me, I'm like, OK, 571 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,360 well, all right. Yeah. 572 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,080 Here's what we're going to do. We're going to do this and it's 573 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,440 all going to fix it and it's going to work out. 574 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,600 And that's been like a gift that I've had my entire life. 575 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,080 And then I find myself in this place where they're asking for 576 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,520 my advice. I give them that advice. 577 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,840 And then they asked me to come back again. 578 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080 Like, I just went for once. I just want to go once. 579 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,600 And I thought it was great. And I came back talking about 580 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800 the culture and the people, and the food was amazing and how I 581 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:44,960 put my left hand in the middle of it. 582 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,400 And I thought, they're going to chop my arm off and that, you 583 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,240 know, that the people wipe their butts with their left hands and 584 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,840 now you're coming back telling everybody, hey, you know, they 585 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,880 wipe their hands, their left hand. 586 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,120 So that's why I don't touch your left hand. 587 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,240 So now we get freaked out because they're trying to shake 588 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,840 my hand and then they put their other hand cause on my arm. 589 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,320 And I'm like, oh, dude, did you wash that hand that you just 590 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,920 wiped your Brett with before you actually put it on? 591 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,800 So all these things are going through my head all at the same 592 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,960 time. And at the same time, it's this 593 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,000 innocence. It's this innocence of just 594 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,960 wanting to learn more. And so they invited me back. 595 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,080 And then? How old are you about that time? 596 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280 I was 32. OK. 597 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,000 'Cause I was worth 20 million by the time I was 30. 598 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,720 I was worth 3 by the time I was 32. 599 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,280 That's a strong move. Back it went backwards. 600 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,320 Yeah, not everybody is going for that move. 601 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560 I mean it, it really, I mean if you're looking like Cliff 602 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,880 diving, Cliff diving, it would be a good good, you know, if 603 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,200 you're diving off the Cliff that that was. 604 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,760 That was your net worth graph, yeah. 605 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,280 It was like it was. It was I. 606 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,440 It was awesome. I mean, if you wanted to 607 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,240 catastrophically fail in a way that. 608 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Yes, a 90% net worth drop is a that's an impressive move. 609 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,920 Not everybody does that. Yeah. 610 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,920 And and and by the way, I was, it was 100% cash for like I 611 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,520 remember sitting in my $150,000 car, which in 2007 was a nice 612 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,960 car, right. And I. 613 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,840 Couldn't pay just now. It's just an F-150. 614 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,280 Yeah, now it's just F-150. Yeah, So. 615 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,760 But I remember sitting in this car and being like, wow, I can't 616 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,400 even. And you go and you get, you 617 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,520 know, and I don't go to Walmart, but I went into Walmart, 'cause 618 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,640 I said I had to convince him to turn my phone on, which is a 619 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,760 different problem. And I'm trying to figure out how 620 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,880 to maneuver all this stuff. I own all this stuff. 621 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,960 And you have to sell all this stuff and you're going through 622 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,200 some crazy stuff in your life. I mean, it's just not. 623 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320 I don't recommend it, all right? I'll just. 624 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,720 It sounds challenging and and as you just said, cash poor. 625 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960 So just for people's awareness, we're talking about you have 626 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,440 assets that have a certain amount of value. 627 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,480 A lot of those things also probably draw against it. 628 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,520 They might be, they might even not really be assets. 629 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,920 They might just be things that you own that actually have sort 630 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,200 of a negative drain. And then all the money's gone 631 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,120 and then it's like can I liquidate, right. 632 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,560 I mean, that's what you're talking about sitting around 633 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280 with $150,000 car wondering if you can fill up with gas, I 634 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 imagine would be a weird experience, but. 635 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,640 It was real, yeah. It was real and and but it at 636 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840 the same time, there's this calmness that comes over to you 637 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,040 when you're trying to figure out what happened and now you're in 638 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,800 a foreign land. Someone's actually paying me to 639 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,400 go to a foreign land. And I was like, man, if you just 640 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,280 kick in an extra 500 bucks, I can pay my cell phone bill. 641 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,160 That's what I thought. I mean, that's what I was 642 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,240 thinking. That's literally what I was 643 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040 thinking. But I went there and I spent a 644 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,400 week there and it was awesome. What was the what was the the 645 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,640 opportunity that was presented to you that that sent you 646 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,160 through that door? I was ready to go talk to people 647 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,320 in the Middle East about in in Saudi Arabia about Jesus. 648 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,240 We're going to do it under the auspice of business. 649 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,400 I was like, look I don't, I don't know how I can offer 650 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,880 anything. I mean I blew up two companies, 651 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880 mismanaged people and capital. I mean I'm I'm kind of like I'm 652 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,840 the quintessential failure. I'm not sure I'd put me in a 653 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,320 category of anyone that can give anybody advice about either 654 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:51,200 Jesus or doing a business deal. I'm probably, you know, I said I 655 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,480 used to tell people when I was there, I was like, yeah, I'm, 656 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,600 I'm actually not that bright because if I was, I wouldn't 657 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,200 have done these things and I would tell people authentically 658 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,720 what is going on in my life. It turns out that the more 659 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 authentic I was with them, the more they trusted me. 660 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,560 Interesting. Because and I was like, wow, so 661 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000 I don't have to I don't have to hide anything like so in my 662 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,920 life. I it was like this moment in 663 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,800 time where I realized, 'cause I would not tell anyone about the 664 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,400 fact that I came from bad stock, that I don't have good pedigree, 665 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:25,320 then you know that. I mean, frankly, my brother died 666 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,280 running from the police, right? I did not have. 667 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,160 I mean, I would not say I love all of my brothers and sisters, 668 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,040 but some of them had drug problems. 669 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520 And there's just a lot of things that happened by growing up 670 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,000 poor. You don't have the same 671 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,680 opportunities, right? You just don't. 672 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,880 And so when I went there, when I went to the Middle East, and I 673 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,360 and I know we, we can spend, I can spend all day on this. 674 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,160 I mean, I went to 65 countries like Bahrain, Lebanon, Syria, 675 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,800 Egypt, Sudan. And the more that I would learn, 676 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,160 the more that I I'd learned about their culture and the 677 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,920 problem we put in front of me, the more I started to then look 678 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,480 at what they're saying in the United States. 679 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,680 And I went to Afghanistan, I went to Chad, I went to Libya. 680 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,680 I went to Somalia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Ghana, DRCI 681 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,840 mean, you name it, I they they would ask me to go to somewhere 682 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,400 and I'm like, yeah, I'll go. And all this is under the 683 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,320 auspices of of sort of missionary work. 684 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Yeah, capacity analysis, infrastructure development on 685 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,880 one side. And then it turned into 686 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,400 negotiating in areas of conflict like tribal conflicts and things 687 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,560 like that where you could walk in and kind of work through it. 688 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,080 And then through that, you know I started, I got I I have to be 689 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,120 really careful because you know that in certain countries 690 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,760 there's you have OFAC office for an asset control and you are not 691 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,040 allowed to give material advice to to terrorists right, or 692 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,680 terrorist designated nations. And so I met with President Al 693 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,320 Bashir of Sudan. I met with President Kefour of 694 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,240 Ghana. I met with, well, the the big 695 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,800 one is probably the meeting that I had with Al Bashir. 696 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,400 And one of the reasons, one of the times that I was meeting 697 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:16,760 with him, he was actually under indictment for crimes against 698 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,400 humanity, right? So he, he got indicted at The 699 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,920 Hague for genocide and ethnic cleansing. 700 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:30,160 So I started reading about Jeff or Norris and Pendergast of John 701 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,360 Norris, John Pendergast of Save Darfur. 702 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,720 I don't know if you've heard of that organization. 703 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,280 I remember them. And so I was like, well, I I 704 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,240 have to go to Darfur. I have to go. 705 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,640 I mean, that's the first thing you think of, right? 706 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,320 It's like, let's, let's go. I was like, let's go. 707 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,480 I I would be a pass on that and I would think maybe I shouldn't 708 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,560 go there. That was my first thought. 709 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,360 But I appreciate different strokes. 710 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,560 So you you're reading that and you're like, I got to go to this 711 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,760 place where there's conflict and people are dying and. 712 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,760 Hey, so let me let me do this. Hey, can you go grab what's on 713 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,200 my desk, you know, little thing on my desk. 714 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,160 Can you grab that for me, please. 715 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,240 I I think your. I think your audience probably 716 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,000 needs to hear this. This is. 717 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,080 I mean this is there's something that sits on my desk every day 718 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,360 and when I went to the Middle East I actually went to the 719 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,880 Middle East with the idea that this is it. 720 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,040 Like I've lived my life on a knife's edge for since 2007. 721 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,440 As in I'm just going to choose the right. 722 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,480 I'm always going to choose what's right, always going to 723 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,440 choose what's right. I don't care how difficult it 724 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,520 is. My dad, when he was younger, 725 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,520 he'd say, hey, what's right is rarely popular, was popular, is 726 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160 rarely right. And so I'm just going to walk 727 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,960 that path. And I got really good at it 728 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,400 walking that path, but it it put me in a lot of bad situations. 729 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,000 And then it was like chess for me. 730 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,320 Like, how do I find my way out of it? 731 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,520 You know, how do I get my way out of this? 732 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,520 So I went to Darfur and I tried to see if there's ethnic 733 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,680 cleansing or genocide, right? And what do you think I found? 734 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,480 I. Don't know, tell me. 735 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,760 Found none. None of it. 736 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,440 There was no genocide or ethnic cleansing. 737 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000 It didn't exist. They've been intermarrying for 738 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480 thousands of years. There's no signs of any 739 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,760 government structure at all other than the three or four 740 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,280 people that they got to say that people came in in these, you 741 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,120 know, these Sudanese, you know, army fatigues and wiped out that 742 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,440 there was no, there was, there was no signs. 743 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,040 There was no indication there was no. 744 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,320 There was absolutely 00 evidence that either one of these things 745 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,960 actually exists in Buffalo and raised $6 billion. 746 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,360 And that's what the that's what the charity was doing. 747 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,640 How how much visibility did you have, What was going on, I mean 748 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440 how in in the intelligence where we talk about confidence in your 749 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,440 assessment. So what is the possibility that 750 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,360 there was something going on? You couldn't see it, any 751 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,480 confidence? You have 43 Darfurian rebel 752 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,280 groups. You have the the Chadians, you 753 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:48,080 had the the Janjaweed, you had the Libyan army. 754 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,880 You have a country, literally that is has no borders in an 755 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,520 area that literally when you go in and you talk to the people, 756 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,120 you sit down and talk to the people, they're like, yeah, 757 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600 that's not true. That's not true. 758 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,720 And I'm and I'm talking people. Look, I'm going to tell you 759 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,159 something to be where I am now. I loved what I was doing and I 760 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,639 know that I saved people's lives. 761 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,520 I know that I I was in the the north part of Kenya and they had 762 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,199 a poacher out there and I'm with KSC, which is the this the 763 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,880 Kenyan security forces in Kenya. And you know what the you know 764 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:32,840 what the penalty is for a poker. I assume it's death. 765 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,120 On the spot, I just walked over and stood in front of him. 766 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,920 I was like, yeah, you're not killing this guy. 767 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 You have to kill me first. It was like the dumbest thing 768 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,679 any human being could ever do. Sketchy move for sure, yeah. 769 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,239 Yeah. And they and they used to call 770 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600 me the Crazy Mizungu, Crazy White, The Crazy white. 771 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,680 I'm telling you right now. I was there in Darfur and I 772 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,720 started to to to dig in because I I like to dig into things. 773 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,080 And I went and found out Susan Rice at the UN. 774 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,600 And then I got to meet with President Al Bashir and I got to 775 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,000 meet with with other people around him and ask questions. 776 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,400 And then I I got to be in the room. 777 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,680 We were talking about what did they really need? 778 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,560 And you start talking about sanctions and I I went to Kanana 779 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,400 Sugar, which is one of the largest producers of sugar in 780 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480 the world. And it's the only part of Sudan, 781 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,840 by the way, that is not considered a part of the 782 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,720 sanctioned nation. It's like, it's like it's, it's 783 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,120 everything else around it is sanctioned. 784 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,640 Kanana Sugar is not inside of Sudan. 785 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,240 And I was like, well, how is that possible? 786 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,280 And then I, I started looking into QR TS, Right, which the 787 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960 quantitative factors of how you can actually import sugar. 788 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,240 And I started just digging into the why, the politics of things. 789 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,280 And the more I dig, the worse it got. 790 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400 And I'm like, this can't be, this can't be. 791 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,920 So I wrote this white paper that there's no genocide or ethnic 792 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,600 cleansing that, and that this is, this is all manufactured by 793 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,280 this person named Susan Rice. And then somebody came and 794 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,520 talked to me and said, you can't you, you can't turn that, you 795 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,760 can't do nothing with that, Like you'll be dead. 796 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,000 Right. And so I was like, all right, 797 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,960 well, take my name here. Can you do something with it? 798 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,440 They're like, yeah, I'm like, here, here you go. 799 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,240 I just hand them the report. I said you can check out these 800 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,360 people in in these areas, but they've been intermarrying for 801 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,000 thousands of years. That's, you know how you 802 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,040 ethnically cleanse an area that is not. 803 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,760 Yeah, there's no gender distinct, or there's no there's 804 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,560 no racial distinction or there's no ethnic distinction, is what 805 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,920 you're saying. No. 806 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,280 And and and if you talk to the people there, it's not really a 807 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,800 thing. Right now you're talking about 808 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,560 an area that we could drive for 30 miles. 809 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,640 And you would think that you're the only part of humanity that 810 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,960 exists. You wouldn't see an animal. 811 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,240 You wouldn't see, you would see nothing. 812 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,680 Like, it's it's like nothingness. 813 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,760 You might see a Bush, right. That's it. 814 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,920 There's no, it's an area that's sparsely populated, right. 815 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600 You pick an area that's sparsely populated that people are spread 816 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,360 out. It doesn't make any sense. 817 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,160 And and I used to, I used to ask lots of questions. 818 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,120 I would ask more and more questions and I would come back 819 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,320 and the more questions I asked the less answers I had. 820 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,440 Like I went and I got this letter from Boeing's they're 821 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,400 trying to get parts for to help so that people wouldn't 822 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,040 airplanes from the Sudanese air Sudanese wouldn't fall out of 823 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,920 the sky. And so I would just go back and 824 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,800 just ask questions like hey is there any way we can help these 825 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,640 people Like I I mean these are these are the the the victims of 826 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,320 these sanctions that are put on this nation. 827 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,840 And then I started reading into the Abye district, and I I'm 828 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,840 spending way too much time on this, but I don't even know if 829 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,280 it's fascinating to you or your. Listeners but I I think that 830 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,240 first of all you and I have had a bunch of conversations. 831 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,520 We talk about American politics all the time and that's fine and 832 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,320 that's easy and I think we all kind of have a sense of what 833 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,440 that is. I'm I'm always interested in 834 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,880 formative in like why are people the way they are, what makes 835 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200 them tick. And this sounds like it makes 836 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,280 you tick in a way that we've never talked before. 837 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,480 So we'll we'll keep digging on it let's let's keep you know 838 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,440 you're so you're talking about people at Boeing. 839 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,840 Yeah. And they, you know, I had this 840 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,200 letter that Boeing had sent, hey, that they had sent Boeing 841 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,200 and Boeing had sent back saying I'm sorry, we can't get your 842 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,520 parts. And so I just thought, yeah, 843 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,240 there's got to be a way to get them parts. 844 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,920 But Sudan's on a sanction list, right. 845 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,720 And I can't give material support to Sudan or any nation 846 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,600 that is that is considered a terrorist. 847 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000 You can listen, but you can't give any advice. 848 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,680 I mean, it's it's kind of a really so. 849 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,600 And you're there because you really want to help, right? 850 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,440 And they give you one problem to solve and you solve that problem 851 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,360 and then you move on to the next problem, you solve that problem. 852 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040 And so people start to trust you in this area because you don't 853 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,440 have any. There's no agenda. 854 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,560 It's not like you show up and you're like, OK, give me a, A, a 855 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,440 suitcase with $5,000,000 in it, right. 856 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,240 I mean that happened there a lot, but you'd see it. 857 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,200 Not with me, but you'd see it. And they tried to give me a, A, 858 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,920 a, A at one point in a different environment. 859 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,720 And I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm not interested because in my gut 860 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,320 I was like either somebody is setting me up or somebody wants 861 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,840 to own me. That's all that thing that kept 862 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,640 going through my mind, right. And so, but I started learning 863 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,920 more about Sudan, South Sudan and the fact that there's this 864 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,000 area that runs between South Sudan and the north and it's 865 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,000 called the Abye district. It's a oil rich district and 866 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,560 when all of this stuff was happening, when President Al 867 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,280 Bashir was being accused of of crimes against humanity, guess 868 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,040 what they started finding? And so I started looking at the 869 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,760 fact that the US couldn't control it and foreign policy 870 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,560 and you'd meet people that would ask you lots of questions and 871 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,320 you learn hey that's probably, that's probably acia guy. 872 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,000 We probably should stay away from him because I will tell 873 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,800 you, the CIA does hire some really sharp people, 874 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,840 sociopathic, but still some sharp people and. 875 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,560 Then I started getting involved in South Sudan because it's not 876 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,440 a sanctioned part of it. And so I started meeting with 877 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920 people that were down in South Sudan in leadership. 878 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,320 So I want to know more about what was really happening. 879 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,360 And then there was supposed to be a transfer of wealth, which 880 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080 was a cut for South Sudan. And South Sudan was saying they 881 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,120 never got it. Well, somehow in the middle of 882 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,320 all that, they did get it. And I happened to be there when 883 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,840 they did get it so that I knew they got it, but they were 884 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,840 saying they didn't get it. And so then that's the first 885 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,560 point where you're like what? What is happening here? 886 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:30,520 Right. What? 887 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,160 How is this, How is this a thing? 888 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,040 How is this? And you start figuring out that 889 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,080 nothing is what it seems. And then the more nations you go 890 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,880 into and the more times you come home, they're saying one thing 891 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360 about the Middle East. And I'm there seeing something 892 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,800 totally different. And then they're saying stuff 893 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,720 about Africa. And I'm seeing, you know, they 894 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,200 said China's a real problem in Africa, but China's the only one 895 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,080 that went into some of these nations and actually built what 896 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,160 they said they'd build. And the United States would come 897 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,640 in and say, hey, we want to give them money, But they didn't give 898 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,640 them money, right. We're going to promise this. 899 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,320 And they never show up. And then you have these NGOs 900 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,440 that are basically, you know, I can't even tell you how many 901 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,840 times I I would go to there for a project. 902 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,520 And the pastors that are supposed to be doing pastoral 903 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,360 work are sleeping with the young girls in the hotel room. 904 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,200 It's like a revolving door of girls coming through the hotel 905 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,320 room of a pastor that's over there to supposedly do work for 906 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,800 an NGO. And the more I got into it, the 907 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,280 more I just have to solve problems. 908 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,720 I have to solve problems. I have to solve problems. 909 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,080 I've solved problems which brought me to the Middle East 910 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,160 even further. And I got to go to Afghanistan. 911 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,280 I got to go to Iraq. There's times that I had to 912 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,680 leave my passport at the border where I'm like I'm I'm not I 913 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,960 don't even know if I'm supposed to go in here. 914 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,560 So I'm just going to, I'm just going to go. 915 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,080 So I would just give them my passport and just go and I get 916 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,240 on a, you know, and then I had a cell phone there that that has 917 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,480 SIM cards. You swap swap SIM cards no 918 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,760 matter what nation you go into. It's not like this now, right? 919 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,800 They have all sorts of different SIM cards in different 920 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,960 countries. And you, you, you, you start to 921 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,920 get to know people, right? And you love these people. 922 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,280 You love people in in Africa. You love people in the Middle 923 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,760 East. You, I mean, you, you learn to 924 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,080 just it becomes your central point. 925 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:13,280 And then there's a guy named Jeffrey Sachs at Millennium 926 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,760 Project. I don't know if you ever heard 927 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,280 of that. That was a project Jeffrey Sachs 928 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,440 did. He's a Columbus, Columbia 929 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,040 University professor. And he said he, he was going to 930 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,640 find the ways to eradicate poverty in Africa, raise like $8 931 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,120 billion. And so then I was asked, hey, 932 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,560 can you go look at these Millennium projects? 933 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,800 And I was like, sure, he had all this stuff. 934 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,480 I read all the studies and he said, hey, we're doing some 935 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,800 great things and we've been, we built a separate deal of 936 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,360 commerce and we're, we're including things that are just 937 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,240 it's creating just sustainable growth and environments for 938 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:46,920 people in West and East Africa. So I went, there was absolutely 939 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,040 zero economic activity happening at all in any of those villages. 940 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,560 None, zero, none, none. Not 0. 941 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,560 And so I got on this BBC Radio thing and I said something and 942 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,480 that led to something else. And the next thing you know, 943 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,520 every time I went back and forth into the United States, every 944 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,440 time I went back and forth in the United States, I'd have 945 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,000 people that were like, yeah, step over here, Sir. 946 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,680 Hey, step into this room. And it was like a four or five 947 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,720 hour deal where I'd have to get questioned and, you know, 948 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,280 where'd you go? What were you doing? 949 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,520 And again, I believe the transparency was the best, best 950 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,520 deal. So I did that and then I. 951 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,360 What do you attribute those those interactions you had with 952 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,160 customs or at the borders as you're coming in? 953 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,160 What do you attribute that to? I don't. 954 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,360 I don't know. All's I know is that it was my 955 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,240 first foray and then nothing is as it seems, right? 956 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,720 That you know you you think that people are all on your side and 957 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,720 and they would know things. They would say things and I'm 958 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,840 like wow, how did you. Oh, and I would go into AI, 959 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,040 would go into an airport and I would have. 960 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,880 I remember I was in this airport once and they had these expenses 961 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,280 that they were paying that they could pay for these expenses. 962 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,880 They would do it in cash. And it was weird because he paid 963 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,720 in cash and he would literally put the the bills down on one by 964 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:09,840 one on the table, which is kind of uncomfortable. 965 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,320 It was like $8000 in cash. I'm thinking to myself, just, I 966 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,480 trust you, just give it to give me the stag and I'm good. 967 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,440 Like, I don't, I don't care. You don't have to. 968 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,520 You don't. I don't. 969 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,920 You don't have to count it. And but he counted from me. 970 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,680 And then all of a sudden I get back and they start asking me 971 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,360 questions and, you know, like, where'd this money come from? 972 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,360 I said that's expense money. Well, from what? 973 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,960 Yeah, it's just expense money. I learned not to be too overly, 974 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,440 you know, giving with information. 975 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,800 I gave them exactly what I knew I had to give them. 976 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,960 But I never did anything wrong. Here's a line. 977 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,760 I'm over here. But I didn't have a whole lot 978 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,840 of. I've never had a whole lot of 979 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,680 confidence in the government. Just have them. 980 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,720 Yeah, that's probably a safe position to hold and probably 981 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,240 everywhere where government exists, right? 982 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,400 I I always say it's like the worst solution to every problem, 983 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,640 even when it's the only solution. 984 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,280 So I think, I think that's that's a safe sort of 985 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,280 discomfort. I wanna wanna ask you something 986 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,000 because as you're growing up, younger age, getting yourself 987 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,200 into trouble seeing people do bad things, I imagine right. 988 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,760 You see people cross the line, people getting involved in all 989 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,800 kinds of evil activities and knowing what that looks like, 990 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,360 that's pretty small scale. Even drug trafficking is it's 991 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,640 person to person. Now you're talking about going 992 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,360 to nations, you're talking about international potential fraud, 993 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,560 international people who are presenting false information and 994 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,960 taking in not thousands of dollars and not 10s of thousands 995 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,040 of dollars, but potentially millions or even more. 996 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,520 That's you just said 8 billion is what I heard for nothing. 997 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,800 Let they're essentially shining on people that are never going 998 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,840 to be able to verify and you're doing spot audits and going this 999 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,800 isn't. It was a front. 1000 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,720 That's the front. What? 1001 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,920 What does that, what does that show you coming from where you 1002 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,920 came from with the things that you previously experienced, had 1003 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,560 you. Was that surprising? 1004 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,040 Was that like, ah, yes, of course. 1005 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,560 Where? Where does that fall into your 1006 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,520 life experience as you're seeing these things happen in front of 1007 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,640 you and they're unveiled? All right so it it tells you 1008 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,000 that you now know how the sausage is made. 1009 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,280 You you know how the sausage is made. 1010 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,480 You you know that the system is not designed for people to have 1011 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,120 opportunity. It's designed for certain people 1012 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,360 to have opportunity and they get to choose the winners and they 1013 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,480 get to choose the losers and they get to funnel money through 1014 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,680 these Ng. This is the first time where I 1015 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,960 had the fray into knowing about the funneling of money through 1016 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,160 Ng OS and the fact that USAAID food. 1017 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,360 You know you know 4050 sixty percent. 1018 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,760 I don't know what it is most statistics are made-up on the 1019 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:42,240 spot so but it was a large portion of that food that ended 1020 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,520 up on the black market. Well the only way to have ends 1021 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,360 up on the black market is if they allow it to end up on the 1022 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,000 black market. And you got NGO organizations 1023 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,720 and one in in particular that had $300 million / 3 decades 1024 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:55,640 that they had funneled through it and all they had to show for 1025 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,040 is pit latrines in Kibera which is one of the biggest slums in 1026 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,720 Africa. It's in. 1027 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,800 It's right inside of Nairobi, Kenya. 1028 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,600 The and the acronym you use the food organization. 1029 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,880 What is it? What's the acronym? 1030 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,720 USAID. And what is USAID specifically 1031 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,560 supposed to do? They're. 1032 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,640 Supposed to supply food to indigenous and poor communities 1033 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,000 around Africa and some parts of the Middle East and or Asia. 1034 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,840 And that's 100% US funded US. Government. 1035 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,640 No, it's it's actually so you have a World Bank and you got a 1036 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,520 couple other organizations and you know the UN kicks money into 1037 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,000 it. So it's a it's a multinational 1038 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,760 effort but the the United States is the one that kicks up, kicks 1039 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,520 in a majority of it. So it's like buying a stage, 1040 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,880 stage name, right, for a stadium. 1041 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,120 Same thing can be said for for USAID and it and it's real, it's 1042 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,880 really kind of a a weird organization because you'll 1043 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,000 start to ask questions and you can't really figure out, you 1044 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,200 know what logistics look like. And so you have the United 1045 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,880 States and some that you know, basically runs it. 1046 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,000 And then you have all of these people that are bringing food 1047 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,960 in, grains in. And then man, there's so much I 1048 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,160 want to tell you about this. I literally could do a 50 hour 1049 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,360 podcast on things that I discovered when I was over in 1050 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080 the Middle East and Africa. I just, I mean I've met with 1051 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,280 Guantanamo Bay prisoner of 345, Sam Elhaj in Doha, Qatar at Al 1052 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,800 Jazeera and I walk in. You have this really tall man, 1053 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,800 he sits down and we we start talking and he's this gentle 1054 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,440 giant. Well, he spent years in 1055 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,240 Guantanamo Bay being tortured. And I had to ask him, what was 1056 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,560 it like? And you know this grown man 1057 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,680 crying. What? 1058 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,320 What country was he from? He's from Sudan. 1059 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,320 He was a cameraman that was in Iraq. 1060 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,720 It it's a fascinating, it's a fascinating environment to be 1061 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,760 in. And you know, I could, I could. 1062 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,320 I talked about being the only white person on the street in 1063 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,240 and you could see kind of the hatred on certain people as you 1064 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:07,440 walk by like they hated you 'cause you were they they they 1065 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,280 assumed you were a Western or you were an American And the 1066 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,920 amount of just stuff that has happened there as a result of 1067 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,960 us, right. And things that I saw And then I 1068 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,560 started reading on and you talk about what happened in long 1069 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,600 before 2001 where you know hundreds of thousands of women 1070 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,640 and children in Iraq were were killed. 1071 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,600 Right. And you know Madeline, I always 1072 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,200 refer back to this Madeline Albright in 1996 sixty minute 1073 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200 interview when asked if the if the sacrifice of those 500,000 1074 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:41,320 children were were necessary and and and that it wasn't worth it, 1075 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,640 she responded. I think it it was it served our 1076 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,160 interest I I just it blows my mind that you know killing off a 1077 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,080 half million of anybody would be would be worth it. 1078 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,280 Allan Allmark's a real interesting character, isn't 1079 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,960 she? I mean, I I remember she was 1080 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,040 kind of lionized by at least anybody that wasn't paying 1081 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,160 attention. And I, you know, I was a kid 1082 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,480 when I remember the the stuff going on in in Bosnia and and 1083 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,720 happening in the and the Balkans. 1084 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,240 Then you go back and you find out that like they destroyed a 1085 00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:09,600 whole bunch of stuff and she owned the only telecom interest 1086 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,000 there. And there's all these weird 1087 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,960 conflict of interest. And you start thinking like, 1088 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,520 man, you talk about how the sausage is made. 1089 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,920 There's some, you know, every everybody likes to think that. 1090 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,880 And I think this is the the one thing that you probably got to 1091 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,520 see a little bit of. We both kind of see some of 1092 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,280 this. Now everybody would like to 1093 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,080 think the problem is really simple. 1094 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,120 It's a couple of evil people driving some evil cabal, but 1095 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,320 it's not that easy because there's a lot of evil people. 1096 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,080 They all have coaligned interests. 1097 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,280 They don't have to know each other. 1098 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,640 They just all have to agree to be morally flexible and 1099 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,760 everybody gets rich as long as you don't care what's right and 1100 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,720 wrong. And that's a very different 1101 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,600 animal. It's so much harder to to try to 1102 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,720 even grasp because it's such a big problem. 1103 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,880 I have to imagine that that's some of the issues that you're 1104 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,840 seeing because you're talking about US Aid, an organization 1105 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,040 that's literally designed to just hand out food. 1106 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,200 And now we're talking about 40, fifty, 60% of the the proceeds 1107 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,040 of it going into black market. Somebody's getting really rich 1108 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,400 over that. Somebody's getting a lot of 1109 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,920 influence over it, right? Somebody's getting a lot of 1110 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,880 power and pull and access with whatever that is. 1111 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,120 Maybe it's our government, maybe it's other people and maybe 1112 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,200 it's, you know, just people who are business folks that that saw 1113 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,280 an opportunity. Like there's so many evils that 1114 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,360 are open there, as long as you're flexible to it. 1115 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,840 Yeah. And and it, you know, I I had no 1116 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,160 business being there. I had no business being there. 1117 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,080 I had no business solving the problems that I solved and I 1118 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,320 solved big problems I hadn't. I had no business being in the 1119 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,600 room and 95% of these meetings I had no business you know going 1120 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,320 over there and kind of ho humming. 1121 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360 And I call myself the Forrest Gump of pretty much everything 1122 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,200 just kind of walking through. The only thing I didn't have is 1123 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,320 a is a bubble gum shrimp company. 1124 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,880 And I'm just walking through and I'm like, Oh yeah, you joke. 1125 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,280 Can you fix this? Yeah, sure. 1126 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,680 And they'd say we, we need a water catchment. 1127 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,360 And I'm like, OK, So I went back here and I picked up the deal 1128 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,640 and I'm like, OK, I'm going to look it up. 1129 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,960 And what if there's like a, I don't know, is there like a 1130 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,040 water company here that builds, like the engineering company 1131 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,960 that builds reservoirs? I just pick up the phone. 1132 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,840 RJH, it's right here in town. I was like, ah, Robert, let me 1133 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,200 see if I can call him. And I call him. 1134 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,880 And I was like, hey, look, I want to build some water 1135 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,480 catchment in Africa and can you help me? 1136 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,560 I mean, that's how silly it was. It was. 1137 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,720 And I and I would solve that problem and and I would go and 1138 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,040 do do prayer with people in different, in different 1139 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,760 countries and with different religions. 1140 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,040 And I would I I had this innocence that once I was able 1141 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,640 to set everything down and look, it was not easy. 1142 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,320 I'm going to tell you right now, nothing that I did in those 6 1143 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,520 1/2 years were easy, right? It was difficult. 1144 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,240 It wasn't hard though. It was just difficult. 1145 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,840 It was just you're solving problems. 1146 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,040 And then the dynamics of the ethos that you have in that 1147 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,920 environment and you're not much like we're today, like what we 1148 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,880 we find in our society. We're actually not fighting each 1149 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,840 other. We're fighting people above us 1150 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,880 that are creating chaos that is dividing us. 1151 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,160 And then we don't trust each other. 1152 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,880 But the people we really don't trust are the people that are 1153 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,440 running that have that alignment of ideals. 1154 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,680 So I think that's, I think that's the interesting lens that 1155 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,360 you bring to looking at America in the last couple. 1156 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,720 When do you see this country having it feels like it's taken 1157 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,440 a like a a nose dive like your net worth when you were 30, like 1158 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,560 it feels like it's done something our trust in 1159 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,800 institutions, our trust in each other maybe. 1160 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,160 When did you see that start taken the downward plunge in 1161 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,760 this nation? So look, my, I I think it's 1162 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,840 probably important to know that my daughter went to high school 1163 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,000 and she was a straight A student. 1164 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,240 She went to high school. And and by the way, reason I 1165 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,160 brought up Samuel Hodge in that meeting is that I got a a 1166 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,840 message from her counselor at a school saying your daughter has 1167 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,040 DS and F she thinks you're going to die every time you leave 1168 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,200 leave the house. And there's some reasons for 1169 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,040 that. I mean, there's some things that 1170 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,920 happened to me while I was there that she wasn't wrong. 1171 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,400 I didn't exactly walk into the safest. 1172 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,400 It wasn't like I was walking into a 711. 1173 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,400 I was walking into really crazy places. 1174 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:03,040 So, so that that shaped me coming back to the United States 1175 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,600 and saying I'm done. I need to take a sabbatical for 1176 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,120 seven years and I had learned a lot and but I was committed to 1177 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,480 my children. I wanted to make sure that they 1178 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:17,480 were good. And so I with that said I I went 1179 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,680 back into business by accident again. 1180 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640 You know, I'm sitting there having beers with my buddies and 1181 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,560 I'm trying to solve a business problem and I'm I so my my home, 1182 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,800 I turned it into an Event Center because I was gonna, I didn't 1183 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,240 know what else to do with it. This big old 11,000 square foot 1184 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,280 house that I should know, right? I didn't know what to do with 1185 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,680 this, so we turned it into an Event Center. 1186 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,200 Turns out to be it. It was like a brilliant idea. 1187 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,880 This is like a wedding, A wedding venue or wedding. 1188 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,120 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's this 1189 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,760 Mediterranean Italian villa and we ended up selling after about 1190 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,800 18 years. But, and it was our home before 1191 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,120 that had a swimming pool in the living room. 1192 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,000 It's pretty awesome. Built by the mob. 1193 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,040 It's pretty crazy, right? Crazy out. 1194 00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,640 No business that I have in any of this. 1195 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,800 I'm just telling you, it's like you get, you get to that place 1196 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,720 where you turn around and you're like, what is happening here? 1197 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:07,040 This is Is it the The Talking Head song. 1198 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,120 How did I get here? As the day. 1199 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,640 What is that song called? Yeah, as the days go bad. 1200 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,600 And this is not my beautiful house. 1201 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,240 This is not my beautiful life. Yes. 1202 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,640 You know what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, yeah. 1203 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,240 I don't have any rights to play this off. 1204 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,320 It literally is my life. I come from bad stock. 1205 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,240 I know I come from bad stock. Like there is no, like, I mean 1206 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,920 you talk about you know families that had everything. 1207 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,480 I, my family's never had anything right. 1208 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,800 It's just and or torn apart like never got along with it. 1209 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,880 It's like The Judds and the clampets in one family. 1210 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,600 Nobody ever got along and and so when I came back here I came 1211 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,920 back and cut grass. So here I'm meeting with kings, 1212 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,840 presidents, prime ministers. I'm one of the National Prayer 1213 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,080 Breakfast every year. I learned Arabic straight out of 1214 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,560 BE. I learned Arabic flying back and 1215 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,960 forth, mostly because I wanted to know if they're going to cut 1216 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,080 my head off when I got there, like. 1217 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,560 Solid. I got really good at it, right? 1218 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,440 You still have this thing in your mind where you're going 1219 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,920 through and going, why aren't they going to kill me? 1220 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,560 And this night not work. Out right. 1221 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,520 And in the middle, in the middle of this, you had the the Daniel 1222 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,080 Pearl. Remember the guy that that now 1223 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,320 that cut his head off right on the beach after he told everyone 1224 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,040 how bad America was? So you have thoughts of this in 1225 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,160 your head and you're a fighter, so you're ready for it. 1226 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,360 But you're also have this incredible love for the people 1227 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,680 that you're with, and it's unbelievable. 1228 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,000 But then I came home and I just started cutting grass. 1229 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,240 I mean, I literally did nothing. I I just, my wife ran it. 1230 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,160 I just cut grass. My grass was perfect, like 1231 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,160 grass. I got to tell you, it was the 1232 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,400 the best grass you would ever see anywhere. 1233 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,040 And that is not. I'm not talking about drugs 1234 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,280 either. I'm talking about grass. 1235 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,360 Like real grass that you like talking. 1236 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,920 About like baseball, infield level, crosshatch, grassing. 1237 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,680 Yeah. And and I like, I made sure the 1238 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,640 place was perfect. And I I did this decompression, 1239 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,680 but I went to just hang out with my kids. 1240 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,360 You know, the whole thing for me was I just wanted my, I wanted 1241 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,960 my children to have their dad like it was their time, right. 1242 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,840 I mean just spending two weeks on two weeks off overseas, it's 1243 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,400 not working. And so then I, I went to have, 1244 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,440 you know, just have some beers with my buddies and we're 1245 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,920 sitting there and they started talking about this business 1246 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,720 problem they had. And I started on a little napkin 1247 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,680 store right now how I could solve it. 1248 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,960 And I was like, well, here's how we do it. 1249 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,520 I mean, this is. So if they're going to do this, 1250 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,120 then this is what we have to do when we build this kind of kind 1251 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,920 of fraternity inside the community. 1252 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,720 And if we did this, then we would allow all SMB small to 1253 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,720 medium businesses to share information without sharing 1254 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,480 their customers. And here's how we could cut it 1255 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,800 together. And they were like, oh, that's 1256 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,440 that's brilliant. So for like two or three days I 1257 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,280 was like, yeah, it kinda is brilliant. 1258 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,200 I think I wanna build a company. So then I sent it to my friend 1259 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,640 and I'm like, hey, listen, I got this idea, I wanna send it to 1260 00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,640 you. And I sent it to him. 1261 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,800 And he goes, I keep in mind I had a catastrophic business 1262 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,000 failure six years earlier, right. 1263 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,840 And so you're like, well, I don't, I don't really. 1264 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,360 I don't think I can do this. I don't really wanna do this. 1265 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,080 And he's like, how much money do you need? 1266 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,200 Well, keep in mind, I was making a lot of money when I went to 1267 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,280 the Middle East and Africa. People were paying me to do 1268 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,920 things for them. A lot of money. 1269 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,400 I mean, at one point they, I got paid 400 to $800.00 an hour for 1270 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,360 every hour that I breathed over there, right? 1271 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,840 And you're just here. I was like, oh, that's fun. 1272 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,080 This this could be really lucrative. 1273 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,360 And it was, but it was solving big problems. 1274 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,760 So I built my company. I literally built my company. 1275 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,560 And I ignored politics. I wanted nothing to do with 1276 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520 politics. I wanted to serve the Lord, and 1277 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,560 that's all I wanted to do. And so I started playing 1278 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720 football on Saturdays with gang members. 1279 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,240 I started donating my time and money to, you know, help with 1280 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,320 kids that needed to go to school. 1281 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,440 They want to go to private school because public schools 1282 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,960 were so bad. I just started investing. 1283 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,000 I was a Tocqueville member for for United Way. 1284 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,720 I helped out United Way. I knew the guy that ran United 1285 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,160 Way that that was involved in that scandal way back when. 1286 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,120 Who died, Bill? And so I I literally just 1287 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,920 started volunteering for boards and I was the most active board 1288 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,880 member, 'cause they would have a problem and I would just show 1289 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,880 up. I'll let guys cancel my 1290 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,080 meetings. I gotta go do this thing. 1291 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,920 And the more I did this and I poured out into my community, 1292 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,520 the more successful I was. Crazy. 1293 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,800 It's craziest thing ever. And then my brother died, 2017. 1294 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,160 And what was the, if you don't mind talking about a little bit 1295 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,800 the circumstances? You said he was running from the 1296 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,840 police. What was the story there? 1297 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,240 He worked for me. I wanted to change his life and 1298 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,920 and in large part there was years that went by that I didn't 1299 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,520 talk to my brother. I was just, I just had a couple 1300 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,840 years where him and I were just reconnecting because I've given 1301 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,200 everyone of my family cars, houses, boats, businesses, 1302 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,920 money. You ever seen $1,000,000 baby? 1303 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,880 I haven't, but I'm familiar with at least the name. 1304 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,120 Yeah, like, so $1,000,000 baby is about the person that who 1305 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,880 breaks her neck, She's in a boxing match, gets punched and 1306 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,440 she's laying in bed, and our family shows up who's she's been 1307 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,080 estranged with for forever and they're just trying to figure 1308 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,680 out, you know, who's going to get the $1,000,000. 1309 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,560 Got it right before she does. That's kind of my family. 1310 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,720 Like, I I think they'd show up at the very end just to grab 1311 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,600 whatever they want, right? Take my shoes off my feet. 1312 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,720 Is that belt worth anything? Let's take that off them too, 1313 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,720 right? Not a great feeling. 1314 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,880 I mean, but look, I mean my brothers and sisters, there are 1315 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,000 brothers and sisters that I have that are, that are not like 1316 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,040 that. But I would say in large part 1317 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,600 that that's, that's that's how you I felt with my family. 1318 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,560 And so I man, I feel like I'm just telling too much. 1319 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,880 That's that FBI thing, right? That's what always people tell. 1320 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,320 I'm like, no, I just ask questions that people are OK 1321 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,600 answering. This is your story. 1322 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,600 So we're hearing it. And it doesn't bother me because 1323 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,400 there's nothing in my life that. I mean, yeah, I've seen kids die 1324 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,400 of the common cold. I've seen kids get blown up. 1325 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,400 I've seen, I've seen crazy stuff. 1326 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,200 I've seen somebody use a a knife and literally chop people up. 1327 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,760 It's crazy what? I've seen crazy, crazy stuff. 1328 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,520 I don't even know where I was going with this. 1329 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,680 I don't even know where I was going with. 1330 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,080 This well you're telling us you're pouring more out into the 1331 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,600 community you're Oh yeah you're you're working you're doing 1332 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,240 Scout. Yeah, United Way since. 1333 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,560 I was a Boy Scout, but, and I and I learned through the six 1334 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,520 years how to negotiate in an environment. 1335 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,680 And not I'm not afraid of anything. 1336 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,480 Like it's just it's like I was forged in this environment and 1337 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,320 I'm not. And I and it's not an unhealthy, 1338 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,920 it's a kind of a healthy, 'cause you just as long as you don't 1339 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,680 use what can be used for good, 'cause it's used for bad. 1340 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,120 But then my brother came to work for me for a couple years and in 1341 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:04,600 2017, you know he was out past midnight and I was on his 1342 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:09,680 motorcycle with my other brother and two friends and cop comes to 1343 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,080 mess with them and they all take off. 1344 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,000 Well, they centered in on my brother and they chased him for 1345 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,880 30 minutes. I still have the recording of 1346 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,440 the because somebody inside the Police Department actually got 1347 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:32,640 it to me because they lied and and 90 miles an hour, they hit 1348 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,840 him from the side, knocked him off his bike, he hit a wall then 1349 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,360 hit a pole, broke his neck and died. 1350 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,120 You nearly split him in half. So I mean I like to say that 1351 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:49,160 he's, he shouldn't have run, but you don't. 1352 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,680 It shouldn't be a death sentence, right? 1353 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:52,840 Right. I mean there should be, there 1354 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,040 should be some sort of understanding and and look, I'm 1355 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,160 all about accountability but you had his plate number. 1356 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,960 You can just pick him up in the morning and they said have his 1357 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,840 plate. I guess it's and he's on a 1358 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,360 motorcycle. Yeah. 1359 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,880 And I guess that's the, that's, that's the public safety issue, 1360 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,440 right? The question is, this is a guy 1361 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,000 running 90 miles an hour on a motorcycle because because look, 1362 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,400 I come from both sides, but I I think we can see it real fairly. 1363 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,080 You go, you're in a car, you're doing 100 miles an hour, you 1364 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,640 could hit anybody. That could be the end of those 1365 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,120 people. You hit somebody in a motorcycle 1366 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,520 at 90 miles an hour, it's just you. 1367 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,200 It's pretty much just you. If you hit any modern vehicle at 1368 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,240 that speed, it's your own problem, You might damage their 1369 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,560 vehicle. It's probably going to be a bad 1370 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,080 day for their insurance company. It's going to be a terrible day 1371 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,480 for you. We agree on that. 1372 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,320 So the motorcycle I don't know like they let motorcycles go all 1373 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,960 the time. Mostly because why would you 1374 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,720 engage in a sustained chase with motorcycles specifically. 1375 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,600 Usually they'll end up hurting themself. 1376 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,320 That's pretty much the only person who's at risk it's not a 1377 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,520 public danger. I, I, I will land on that one on 1378 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,720 that side when it when we look at them fairly and and that's 1379 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,120 tough though because then you've got these The other thing is 1380 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,000 those cops they have that like they have that instinct it's 1381 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,480 either bad policy you know questionable training or maybe 1382 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,880 somebody just was like hey it's midnight what else are we doing? 1383 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,200 All that is really sad. That becomes a tragic scenario 1384 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,400 for basically just you and your family because, well, I'm sure 1385 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,280 the cops didn't feel good about it either at the end of the day, 1386 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,240 like none of them are. High five. 1387 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,800 Well, they they covered it up. Well, that may be the case, but 1388 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,720 that's not I don't think any of them are probably sleeping and 1389 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,520 thinking like that was the best thing I've ever done in my life 1390 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,880 either, right? I mean. 1391 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,640 Well, they they didn't tell us that they hit him off the bike. 1392 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,520 They said he lost control, but we found taint from the cruiser 1393 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,480 on the side of his bike. Was there a dash Cam? 1394 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,680 Is that what you're you've seen video wise? 1395 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:33,520 Is that what you're talking about? 1396 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,720 No, we're gonna get access to anything. 1397 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,880 But I ran a data company, so I was able to run coordinates on 1398 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,040 cell phone data and things like that to figure out who was in 1399 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,440 the area, and they lied about that too. 1400 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,320 So I mean they just lied about everything. 1401 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,960 And and frankly, they they wrote these articles about how my 1402 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,080 brother was, you know, a A that he had been in trouble with the 1403 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,440 law before. Yes, that's true. 1404 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,640 That's true. He had a DUI before. 1405 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,880 They said he was a drug dealer. He was not a drug dealer. 1406 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,920 Matter of fact, he wasn't the drug dealer And it it would have 1407 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,880 been me and he's younger than seven years, younger than me. 1408 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,320 So that would have been long time ago, the previous life. 1409 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,840 And so that that sent me on a tailspin a little bit for about 1410 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,400 a year and a half and feeling guilty that I couldn't save my 1411 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,600 brother. I've done all these great things 1412 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,040 and, you know, I lost probably. I mean, everyone has their, 1413 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,960 their favourites and their brothers, 'cause he just had 1414 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,600 this kind soul. But and then I just came out of 1415 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,080 it, right? And I have a beautiful wife and 1416 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,360 my wife is amazing. My children are amazing. 1417 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,800 And so then I, you know, then you Fast forward. 1418 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,800 I was an Ernst and Young Entrepreneur of the Year 1419 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,320 finalist in 2020 when all this stuff happened and got involved 1420 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,040 in getting the communities to stand up. 1421 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,160 And that led me to be on that call with Eric Coomer. 1422 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,640 What does that call tell? People what that call is. 1423 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,200 Oh, the call from So they were starting to write bad stuff 1424 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,160 about me. I had this this video that I put 1425 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,640 out where I got like 3000 people to show up to the Capitol to 1426 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,160 say, hey, we're going to open our businesses. 1427 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,520 This is when they said you can go to Target or liquor store. 1428 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,560 But small businesses don't know how to wash their hands when we 1429 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,080 need a daddy. And so they were shutting down 1430 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,160 small to medium businesses and really hurting them. 1431 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,720 And we had a healthy, healthy dose of bigger businesses and 1432 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,000 smaller businesses. And we found ourselves having 1433 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,800 this conversation where we're like, why are we taking the 1434 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,680 Constitution and balling it up, throwing it in the trash for a 1435 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,640 virus? And again, I like to read, So I 1436 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,040 started reading. I'm like, this is bunk. 1437 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,240 This, this is a lie. They're not. 1438 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,280 And why is the media lying with such veracity and why are they 1439 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,760 doing this? It doesn't make any sense to me. 1440 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,960 And then, so then the antifa came out and it went from 1441 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,480 getting businesses to open up to how do I protect my community 1442 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,160 'cause they're gonna burn things to the ground this. 1443 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,480 Is all in the backdrop of 2020. Am I correct? 1444 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,480 Yeah. All right, So let's, let's 1445 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,080 mentally set the stage and you're in. 1446 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,720 Is it what? What city are you in roughly or 1447 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:54,840 what's the closest big? Denver. 1448 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,960 Denver. OK, so Denver, Co where were you 1449 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:03,680 guys on the scale of like, I don't know, 0 to Seattle, zero 1450 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,560 to Minneapolis. How bad? 1451 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,120 They got one. They got one day of burning 1452 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,920 buildings and breaking windows one day. 1453 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,160 OK. And we organized. 1454 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,800 We started seeing some really weird stuff happen. 1455 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,280 Right. And you would think that I'd be 1456 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,920 on the FTP side, right? F the police. 1457 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,400 I'm the opposite, right? I believe you. 1458 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,560 You you give up to Caesar. What a Caesar's you. 1459 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,560 You respect the law. You respect the police. 1460 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,240 If they respect you, I mean, if they don't respect you, then 1461 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,920 it's a different deal. So the police were good in my 1462 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,800 neighborhood, but they weren't necessarily good in Denver, 1463 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,160 right? But I think it's 1464 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:38,760 individualistic. You have bad cops. 1465 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,800 You have good cops. We should just do a better job 1466 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,200 of holding bad cops accountable, right. 1467 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,360 And so when all the stuff happened with George Floyd, 1468 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,240 that's when all the stuff with the violence started. 1469 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,680 And so we came in and started doing crazy stuff. 1470 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,680 We we said, OK, we're going to show up with three, 400 deep and 1471 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,120 we're going to go to different areas. 1472 01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,800 And we had tactical units. It was led by this organization 1473 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,400 was led by a guy named Tig Tigon. 1474 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,640 John Tig Tigon. So Benghazi, 13 hours. 1475 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,280 The guy that was only I met, Tigon Merrigan. 1476 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,440 He's amazing. Yeah, he's. 1477 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,800 He was actually one of my best friends and I love that man. 1478 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,960 Love him. I met him at shot and and I met 1479 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,120 one of his buddies that he used to shoot tactical games with 1480 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,600 Peter Johnson and both solid, good, solid, good guys. 1481 01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:22,520 Yeah, so you know, he he called people to get together and said 1482 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,840 let's protect our communities. And wherever we went, they 1483 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,880 backed down. And I was just trying to empower 1484 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,040 people. But then the media started 1485 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,040 writing bad stuff about me and we started this organization 1486 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,080 called FEC United, which stands for Faith, Education and 1487 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,880 Commerce, 3 pillars of our society. 1488 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,359 And how do we keep churches open and not have this mask deal and 1489 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,120 give people free choice, which is what we're all business, what 1490 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,760 the foundation of this country is built on. 1491 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:51,160 And so I started, they started writing all these bad things 1492 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,439 about me. Well, that's that's new for me. 1493 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,680 Like I spent the last bad years. Everyone loved me, huh? 1494 01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,359 Yeah, you're the bad guy. I, I wanna, I wanna dig down 1495 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:07,439 into the idea if you're used to seeing things overseas and 1496 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,240 there's a, you know you're going into environments where you want 1497 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,040 to know the local language just in case they decide to cut your 1498 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,960 head off because that's how sideways things could go. 1499 01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:19,920 That's a real thing. And you've seen sort of false 1500 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,479 fronts fraudulent you know presented internationally as 1501 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,000 being legitimate and then you're seeing on the back end of it 1502 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,800 there's literally no substance. There's no one. 1503 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,600 It's it's Wizard of Oz. Don't be. 1504 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,520 You know, don't watch that man behind the curtain kind of 1505 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,399 scenario. I just told you I saw dead 1506 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:34,640 people, right? Yeah. 1507 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,319 What are you, what are did you see in 22 because I think that's 1508 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:42,240 the question that. So I I don't know what the 1509 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,279 answer is to any individual person, but there's a a chunk of 1510 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,520 America and everybody had a different reason, a different 1511 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,359 background for it. There's a chunk of us that 1512 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,760 looked at what was coming down in let's say February, March of 1513 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,840 2020 and there was some statements made and there were 1514 01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,440 some asks that were sort of voluntary. 1515 01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:00,800 We want you all to be part of this. 1516 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:05,360 We're all in this together and it and it and it smelled wrong 1517 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,560 to like a a pretty good chunk of people. 1518 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,360 You were one of them. I didn't know you then what like 1519 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:16,160 triggered your your aha like or your your sense that something 1520 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,560 was not right and what we were being told was false. 1521 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,600 If you can put if you can pinpoint it, 'cause I I'm really 1522 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,160 always so curious about what that thing is. 1523 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,920 So the reason why I got pissed off is that I had a friend that 1524 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,120 committed suicide because you know, the stock market dropped 1525 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,440 by 1000 points. He thought it was just another 1526 01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:33,920 Armageddon. He'd already gone through this 1527 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,840 in 2007, 2008, then we'll go through it again. 1528 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,800 Killed himself, right? But prior to that I was the a 1529 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,120 week before the end of February, I was in London, went over there 1530 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,520 to watch a football match, which is soccer here, right? 1531 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,000 So watch soccer with my wife and I came back to this and I 1532 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,400 remember seeing the stuff on the on the Internet. 1533 01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,400 And then I remember what happened in that six years with 1534 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,880 the with the media. And I was like, this is an op. 1535 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,720 Like they're running an op on us. 1536 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,480 This is not real. This is something's very wrong. 1537 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,720 Anything you can key in on that that that that screamed OP to 1538 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,040 you out of curiosity? Two weeks to slow the spread. 1539 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,840 All you have to do is know what a virus is capable of doing and 1540 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,240 you you know that you cannot have two weeks to slow the 1541 01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,400 spread. It can't happen. 1542 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:31,160 So a palatable A. Palatable surrender of your 1543 01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,200 personal liberties. It's just two weeks, right? 1544 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,320 I mean, that was obviously the first step for for most of us 1545 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,800 that we saw. And we're like, oh, and then 1546 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,680 suddenly you're looking, but the idea that we're going to 1547 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:45,160 literally voluntarily shut down our entire economy, right, for 1548 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:49,080 any period of time. It didn't make sense and and 1549 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,760 they and it kept it kept getting worse and worse and worse as you 1550 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,960 went through it. Like the the the more that they 1551 01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,240 would talk, the worse it would get. 1552 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,960 It didn't make any sense. Like there was no there's no 1553 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,040 part of what they were saying or doing that led you down a path 1554 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,400 where you thought what they were doing was following truth, 1555 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,040 'cause you you know, I I I haven't, I'm, I'm not a doctor. 1556 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,320 I don't play one on TV. I'm not a lawyer. 1557 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,240 I don't play one on TV. You have slept in all day in 1558 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,680 Expresses in your life, I'm sure. 1559 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,640 But yeah, so, so yeah, lots of them. 1560 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,520 But when I was in Africa, I had to study certain things because 1561 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,120 you had to be, you know, up on malaria, you know, what are the 1562 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,240 symptoms? And I I got malaria twice when I 1563 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,480 was there, I got, I got. And the third time I got it. 1564 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,400 I actually came back with it three weeks later. 1565 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,880 It's like, man, I'm really sick and everything wasn't working 1566 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,160 right. And he goes, I don't know, man, 1567 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,200 I would say you have malaria, but you haven't been. 1568 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,120 I got Oh, yeah, I just got back from Africa. 1569 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,520 He's like, you're an idiot. That's. 1570 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,600 That's not the thing that that's so funny. 1571 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,600 There's some things you get trained on as as a paramedic, 1572 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,320 you get trained on, like tropical diseases every once in 1573 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,600 a while. It's just like exotic stuff that 1574 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,400 you just shouldn't exceed. So you just ask that one 1575 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,720 disqualifier, hey, have you been to Africa recently and somebody 1576 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,040 like the answer is always going to be no, except when the answer 1577 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,080 is yes, because I go there every couple weeks. 1578 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,960 That's actually really funny, that's you'd be that one guy 1579 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,000 where they were just like, you know, I learned this, you know, 1580 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,760 10 years ago or 20 years ago in some sort of throwaway training. 1581 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,960 Let me let me ping this idea against you, because this is 1582 01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,880 something my dad and I honed in on, and I find it just 1583 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,960 fascinating because saw it too. Do you remember watching on 1584 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,400 television? It doesn't matter what news 1585 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,600 channel you were on. They had the death count from 1586 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,800 COVID and it was running up like the national debt clock. 1587 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,400 Do you remember that? It was like in you're watching 1588 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,640 it and it's like spinning up numbers of people are actively 1589 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,920 dying. We don't even have numbers of 1590 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,640 years in arrears. I don't know why I said years in 1591 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,800 arrears, but we don't have one year in arrears. 1592 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,000 It usually takes two years to be able to calculate the number of 1593 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,040 people that died from any given 'cause they had it to the 1594 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:36,720 second. In a. 1595 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,400 In a in update, yeah, they're all updating it across all the 1596 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,040 news platforms. To me, there is nothing more 1597 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,720 fraudulent than telling me that you have secret knowledge that 1598 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,600 you could never have. And I know for a fact you 1599 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,040 couldn't have gotten it in time. And you're telling me how many 1600 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,400 people have died from COVID today. 1601 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,720 I know you're full of shit. There's no other way for me to 1602 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,320 think that. And you know, everybody had a 1603 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,440 different tick. Two weeks to throw. 1604 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:02,720 Still, the spread was in your head. 1605 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,480 I don't know if that registered with me, but real time death 1606 01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:07,320 counts. That's made-up. 1607 01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:09,960 That's not real. That's like, do you, do you 1608 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,920 remember the movie Starship? Troopers Oh yeah, Do you? 1609 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,320 Remember, they showed, they showed the the the asteroid 1610 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,840 comes in and it hits Argentina. It hits hits Rio de Janeiro, I 1611 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,560 think. And they're showing they're like 1612 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,760 20 million dead. And it shows like the ticker. 1613 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,400 That's what it looked like, except that was in the 90s. 1614 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,600 And in 2020 we did that for real, on television every day 1615 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,800 for a year. Well, and and now you start 1616 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,200 looking at that, it's it's actually brilliant you said 1617 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,040 that. But if I wouldn't have known 1618 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,000 about malaria, I wouldn't have known about ivermectin. 1619 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:40,920 OK. Right. 1620 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,840 Malaria is a virus, OK, Ivermectin is is what was given 1621 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,640 to me when I had malaria. And I'm like, wait a minute, 1622 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,960 this doesn't even why, Why wouldn't we be? 1623 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,680 And I would just go back to the books that we had before that I 1624 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,520 would look in them and I'm like, OK, well, it says this and it's 1625 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,120 at the strongest point and then it has to have an epicenter. 1626 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,360 And so I started digging into this virus. 1627 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,360 And then by the way, the virus doesn't want to kill its host, 1628 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,840 so over time it becomes weaker. I have to Fact Check this one. 1629 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,920 Malaria is a Plasmodium. It is a parasite that is not a 1630 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,880 virus. I don't know why that bothered 1631 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,520 me, but when you said it, I was like that's, I know that's it's 1632 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,480 it's a Plasmodium. What's? 1633 01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:23,920 What's the thing that it caused? It's a blocker and it blocks the 1634 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,320 ivermectin. Well, ivermectin touches a bunch 1635 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,040 of different things. It can interrupt a bunch of 1636 01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,200 different processes, including things in all the. 1637 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:35,720 Bacteria was oh man, what's it called? 1638 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,000 We'll look it up. Yeah, I'll, I'll look it up. 1639 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,240 But so the. I just. 1640 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,880 I just knew that that was hitting me. 1641 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:42,800 Strange. I was like malaria. 1642 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,720 That's not true. Well, I I, yeah, I know it comes 1643 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,600 from from mosquitoes and it comes from water, right? 1644 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,040 I know it comes. So yes, but there's a thing that 1645 01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,120 they have where it cuts off. It's a blocker, it's an 1646 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,720 inhibitor, right? And on viruses, you have the 1647 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,040 same ability to cut off and to create an inhibitor you can 1648 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,880 actually. All all that sounds correct to 1649 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,200 me and I haven't got into the the mechanism of action and 1650 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,360 ivermectin in a really long time. 1651 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,440 But I remember that there were arguments being that that that 1652 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:11,920 were saying that and and. Then the genome actually doesn't 1653 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,440 repeat itself on on the virus. So it actually is like a carbon 1654 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:19,520 copy, but slightly off. So little by little, it starts 1655 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,920 to on viruses actually mutate. Yeah, through the reputation, 1656 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,120 the replication and we're talking. 1657 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,440 About right, but it mutates down, not mutates up. 1658 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,080 As in it gets less virulent. Yes. 1659 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,520 Yeah, because it's trying. To. 1660 01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:35,480 Right. It's trying to adapt to a host. 1661 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,360 So yeah, there's a couple things that we heard during that whole 1662 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:43,000 2020 that made no sense #1 The the fear, literally the fear of 1663 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,280 discussing natural immunity. That was bizarre. 1664 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,720 I don't know why you'd be scared of talking about that. 1665 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,880 That's what happens. If you survive it, then you're 1666 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,000 usually good. And then, as you said, virulence 1667 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:57,400 usually goes down so that it can be slower, spread quicker, and 1668 01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,120 last longer in all the hosts. That's the goal of anything that 1669 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,040 wants to propagate itself across the population. 1670 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,200 If you kill off the population too quickly, then it's not 1671 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,000 effective in distribution. You're looking this up right 1672 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,280 now. Yeah, no, I was looking up what 1673 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,360 I what I came to, it's called Plasmodium transmission, but it 1674 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,520 there's something in here that says the efficacy of risk. 1675 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:24,520 Let me see why. We can we can come back and add 1676 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,440 it some point. All right. 1677 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:25,920 Yeah. Yeah. 1678 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:27,760 Well, and this is important, I get. 1679 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,640 Yeah. I mean, it's not. 1680 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,680 A There's there are people that are far more qualified than us 1681 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,640 that have that have made the recommendation of iramectin. 1682 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,680 And I understand that people that have travelled all over the 1683 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,600 world had instincts that that was a good policy. 1684 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,880 There's a reason why third world countries used it and had how 1685 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,920 about this one? How on earth did the United 1686 01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,120 States, with theoretically the most advanced medical system in 1687 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:51,200 the world, have worse outcomes than places that don't even have 1688 01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,800 running water everywhere? With all the money that we 1689 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,080 spend, how is that possible? The sun. 1690 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:01,920 We were out. We were indoors. 1691 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,800 Yeah, we stayed inside. They told us this two weeks to 1692 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,360 slow the spread stay inside and the sun was well, I mean they 1693 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,840 said that was one of the things just get sunlight right that I 1694 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,680 mean. Yeah, vitamin D and natural. 1695 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:13,920 It's going to, it's going to help you. 1696 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,760 I was looking at, by the way, when I went back, going way back 1697 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,480 before this all started, there was a funding that was done on 1698 01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:25,440 ivermectin and repeating if you had a if it had, if you had, if 1699 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,680 you had malaria over and over again. 1700 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,280 And there's this huge study in Africa because there were some 1701 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,680 issues with certain areas, not it not actually stopping 1702 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,240 malaria. Do you know who actually funded 1703 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,560 that? Say it was Bill Gates. 1704 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,600 Bill Gates. How do these same names pop up 1705 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,240 all the time? In his study, it showed that 1706 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:56,120 there was a a reduction in the effectiveness of fibromycin. 1707 01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:05,960 And this study was from 2019. OK, right before 2020. 1708 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,280 Anyway, I thought it was interesting that Bill Gates, the 1709 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,960 guy that actually gave people a bunch of vaccines, that 1710 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,160 sterilized entire communities, that's a different story. 1711 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:17,320 We could have a whole story on that. 1712 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,120 Now is funding and telling us that it does not. 1713 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,800 It no longer works for malaria. Yeah, why would it? 1714 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,240 Especially if it's really inexpensive and as well 1715 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,000 documented as having minimal side effects. 1716 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,640 That seems like a problem if if your goal is something much more 1717 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,920 evil and nefarious. Which I don't know for a fact, 1718 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,720 but that guy's got some really weird ideas. 1719 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,120 Well, and he talks about population control and the World 1720 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,280 Economic Forum. So all that stuff and and and 1721 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,920 some of the stuff like, I don't know why I'm primed to to read 1722 01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,760 certain things and not others. But one of the things that I 1723 01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,120 remember reading and just like really, really resonating with 1724 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,520 the evilness of it. Do you remember there was a book 1725 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,120 that was called Rainbow 6? It's by Tom Clancy. 1726 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,080 I should read it if you tell me to read it. 1727 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,080 You should read. You should read. 1728 01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,360 I mean, look it's it's like a book that you're going to read 1729 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,880 on an airplane and you're going to enjoy it. 1730 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,200 It's a shoot em up book. It's the story of it's the it's 1731 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,520 the continuing story of Jack Ryan. 1732 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,200 So Jack Ryan was in a clear and present danger, right. 1733 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,480 And he's in Patriot games, so he's this great character and 1734 01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:20,320 he's got this young guy. If you remember the movie with 1735 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,320 Harrison Ford, they had the young Hispanic guy whose name 1736 01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,080 was Ding Chavez. I don't know why I remember all 1737 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,160 the characters names either, but I do. 1738 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,760 I haven't read that book in probably 15 years. 1739 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,040 But any case, the Ding Chavez was the kind of the young guy he 1740 01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,720 ends up and Jack Ryan's daughter. 1741 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,080 And so they have a family and he's this, you know, deadly 1742 01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,440 killer. And they, they have this guy 1743 01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,600 John Clark. Or maybe he married John Clark's 1744 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,120 daughter. John Clark is the CIA guy. 1745 01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,440 He's played by Willem Dafoe in the Harrison Ford movie. 1746 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,880 And he's actually supposed to be like this huge Vietnam era SEAL 1747 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,400 who's just a badass. But in any case, the long and 1748 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,520 short of this version is they come up with this international 1749 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,640 counterterrorism force to handle the specialized insanity threat 1750 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,880 That is like imagine like an international Delta Force. 1751 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,800 They get Delta operators. They get SEAL Team Six guys. 1752 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,960 They get people from whatever the the special Mountain 1753 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,400 Division is from the from the Germans. 1754 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,960 They get some people from the British FCS. 1755 01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,480 So they put this rainbow coalition of all these different 1756 01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,240 nations of all these badasses together. 1757 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,920 And then they all train together where they have different 1758 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,560 specialties and they're all the nations that are love, freedom 1759 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,800 and liberty and Western, the Western way put them all 1760 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,280 together and they're under the command of Rainbow 6, which is 1761 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,480 the headquarters unit. And that turns out to be this 1762 01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:26,240 guy, John Clark, who's, you know, former SEAL CIA guy. 1763 01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,680 The crazy thing is the bad guys in the, in the book of the story 1764 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:35,240 are ultra wealthy billionaires that decide that there are too 1765 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,680 many people on the planet. They create this virus of which 1766 01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,000 they only are the only ones who have an antidote to it. 1767 01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:46,080 And then they go and they spread it around at an Olympic or A at 1768 01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,680 a sporting event where all the athletes are going to take it 1769 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,840 back home with a six or an 8 day incubation period. 1770 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,720 They're going to kill off everybody on the planet except 1771 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,200 the people that are their preferred people. 1772 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,880 And they set up this like dreamland that they can all live 1773 01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,200 and they all want to see the Buffalo roam across the, you 1774 01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,640 know, they want to see Colorado depopulated and they want to be 1775 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,240 able to go live in this rainforest while everybody dies. 1776 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,880 So they build this huge compound in somewhere in in like Brazil 1777 01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,280 or something like that in the in the rainforest, and they're 1778 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:11,960 going to hang out there until everybody dies. 1779 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,840 Then they're going to go come back and take over the Earth and 1780 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,240 be good stewards of it. They're like the Sierra Club 1781 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,440 that lost their ever loving minds by completely genociding 1782 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,720 the entire planet. And you read that. 1783 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,560 And of course they have to go kill the bad guys, so they go 1784 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,880 kill all the bad guys. And it's a great story. 1785 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,280 So that's really fun to read, except that's a real problem. 1786 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,240 Like that could be a real thing at this point because we have 1787 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,840 people that kind of money, we have that sort of insanity, that 1788 01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,080 climate. Pagan is what my buddy George 1789 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,160 calls them, that mental group of people that are just like, yeah, 1790 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,120 there's too many people. We're the right people. 1791 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,000 We need to get rid of all the other people so that we can 1792 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,560 really enjoy this land because the land is the end. 1793 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,600 They they don't have any concept of God. 1794 01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,800 I obviously, you know that they're godless with that. 1795 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:56,400 But anyway, if you've never read it, I just explained to you 2020 1796 01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,280 I read it. I lived it. 1797 01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,000 I actually lived the entire book right now. 1798 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,840 So many of us saw things that were parallel to that, that just 1799 01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,920 went like, holy crap, is this the evil that we're actually 1800 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,680 living through right now? Which is why so many people, I 1801 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,600 think, thought, you know, I mean, shoot, I drove into work 1802 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,400 in Washington, DC and thought I was driving into the zombie 1803 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,200 apocalypse. It's what it looked like. 1804 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:23,120 I've seen all those movies, man. Well, it's it's by the way, I'm 1805 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,520 sorry, 'cause I get freakishly focused on stuff that I 1806 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,840 shouldn't get focused on. You're right about that in 2020. 1807 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,240 So I wanted to read the thing that the find the thing that 1808 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,520 that made me think malaria and and the viruses go for it and it 1809 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,360 and it. So this talks about the study 1810 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,320 that happened National Library of Medicine, where they were 1811 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,480 talking about novel RNA viruses associated with Plasmodium 1812 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,320 vitacs and human malaria. And so this goes through kind of 1813 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,520 how when you have malaria, the piggybacks that happen on the 1814 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,000 viruses that affect your body, the secondary. 1815 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,600 Infections. Yeah, yeah. 1816 01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,480 So it was. It was just weird. 1817 01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:00,400 I didn't think you were. Wrong. 1818 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:01,560 Like I said, I just. I know that's. 1819 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,240 Not AI worked wrong. I was absolutely wrong. 1820 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,480 I was absolutely not a. Virus, we knew that part, but 1821 01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:07,400 there's, I know there's some, there's some correlation there, 1822 01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:08,320 so. Yeah. 1823 01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,280 Anyhow. All right. 1824 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,600 So we're we're in 2020, we go through all this stuff, right, 1825 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,600 Kumar on the call. Who's Kumar? 1826 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:17,720 He's Eric. Coomer's the guy That's the 1827 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,640 director of strategy and Security for Dominion Voting 1828 01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,440 Systems. He ran 50% of the votes of the 1829 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,240 American people with Dominion Voting Systems. 1830 01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:24,920 OK, where's Dominion based out of? 1831 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,640 Denver, Co. OK. 1832 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,440 So this makes more sense that it would be right in your backyard. 1833 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,360 All right, carry on. So Eric Coomer is on a call with 1834 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,440 who? Antifa. 1835 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,880 I call it Antifa. It's a journalist that. 1836 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,240 So what happened is, is I held these meetings, 3457800 people 1837 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,880 would show up. I started talking about taking 1838 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,600 back your community cause again I'm like, this is this is 1839 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:48,360 stupid. Like why? 1840 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,200 Why are we letting them shut down our our deal? 1841 01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:54,040 Like, I never shut down once at DCF, my company, none of that. 1842 01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,480 That was never even a thing. I did have to fire a bunch of 1843 01:24:57,480 --> 01:24:59,560 people because they would show up in Black Lives Matter 1844 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,080 sweatshirts and tell us that we were all institutionally racist. 1845 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,640 It's like a sleeper cell. It was crazy. 1846 01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,000 It's craziest thing I ever went through that summer, right? 1847 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,560 And these are all, by the way, white liberals. 1848 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,760 And I was like, bro, I know what I know what racism looks like. 1849 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,920 I lived it, right? And this is not it. 1850 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,040 But I did get sucked into the George Floyd kneeling on the 1851 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,600 back of the neck. It it hit me because I had a lot 1852 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:20,840 of bad cops when I was growing up. 1853 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,360 But then as I saw Moore again, I started to decide I was going 1854 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,200 to, you know, not dig below the surface and check it out. 1855 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,200 Turns out it was all a lie. And he still went to jail for 16 1856 01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,360 years, I think. Yeah, he got shanked the other 1857 01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,360 day. And and they they literally 1858 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:40,040 think, I mean, I don't even know how you can justify him going to 1859 01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,280 jail. It's in the manual. 1860 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,040 What he did was literally in the manual for police officers. 1861 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,520 Yep. I don't. 1862 01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,320 I I. Also don't understand how if 1863 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,160 somebody is trained poorly and that's not great training, but 1864 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,000 it's not bad training if it's like, it's not like they they 1865 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,160 found that he was kneeling on somebody's neck per SE. 1866 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:57,880 But also you've been in fights, right? 1867 01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,320 You've been in fights. Have you ever had to subdue 1868 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,680 anybody? Oh yeah. 1869 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,880 Is that an easy thing to do? Man on man. 1870 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,200 Like take somebody and and physically hold another man of 1871 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,560 any size like it's. Well, I mean, I just do a leg 1872 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,360 wrap and then put him in a chokehold and he's out for a 1873 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,440 minute. That's about it. 1874 01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:16,120 So. If you can do a carotid choke 1875 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,080 and you have the ability to sink it in, then yeah, that's really 1876 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,920 effective, no doubt about it. But if somebody doesn't give 1877 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,480 that to you or you're not allowed to do that because 1878 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:23,920 that's your policy. Double leg takedown. 1879 01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,240 Yeah, you do. There's some, there's some 1880 01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,200 techniques you can do. But do we know that all of our 1881 01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,440 cops are basically Ninja MMA fighter level, you know, 1882 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:32,960 Brazilian Duetu prizes? No. 1883 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,840 Are they all college wrestler level capabilities? 1884 01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:35,680 No. That's not a thing they're 1885 01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:36,600 doing. And they're also trying to 1886 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,280 remember the damn code book and what they're trained and legally 1887 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,280 allowed to do. It's just so interesting when 1888 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,280 you see someone who's never they're the ones out there 1889 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,400 screaming about what cops ought to do, have never tried to take 1890 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,160 somebody into custody in a way that is both lawful. 1891 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,400 And. Most of them never have. 1892 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,040 It's man I watched. I watched a lot of humility 1893 01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,480 going through the FBI Academy. My buddy is like a six foot two 1894 01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:00,480 former Marine. He's a Wildman too, like he was 1895 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,720 a wildland firefighter. It's just like a physical stud, 1896 01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,800 no doubt about it. And a good sized guy, but not 1897 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,960 huge, just fit. It took like four people. 1898 01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,760 There were two people on each of his arms just to keep him. 1899 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,200 He was just swinging him because he can, because that and and if 1900 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,920 you're not allowed to just, you know, knock somebody in the back 1901 01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,240 of the head and take him down if your job is to restrain them. 1902 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,960 It's really hard and I think a lot of people. 1903 01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:25,480 Redman is the most fun in the world, but a lot of people got 1904 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:28,480 humbled that day because they had this bullshit idea that 1905 01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:30,120 comes from watching too many Marvel movies. 1906 01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:32,880 Like, I'm just going to clock him once in the job and then 1907 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,120 he's going to be down. It's like, that's not how it 1908 01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,360 works in reality. That person's going to hurt you 1909 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,640 badly. So I remember I remember being 1910 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,160 in AI mean. This is another one of those 1911 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,680 before Jesus moments. I remember being in a pool hall 1912 01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,840 with my buddies and this guy literally is picking on my 1913 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:50,920 friends. So I jumped over a a table and 1914 01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:55,920 kicked him and he he didn't go down. 1915 01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,840 Surprisingly. Surprisingly. 1916 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,040 I thought myself. I thought of myself. 1917 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,320 I'm about to get my I'm about to get whooped. 1918 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:05,680 This is not going to go. Up. 1919 01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:06,960 Yeah, this this is one of the few. 1920 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,560 Times that I that's. When you drop the quarter and 1921 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,200 you're about to find out what the ride looks like, right? 1922 01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,720 Yeah, I've, I've, I've seen a lot. 1923 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,520 I've seen a lot lot. But in 2020, I wasn't looking 1924 01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,480 for Eric Coomer, I was looking for Antifa journalist, right? 1925 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,200 So I was looking for people to write bad stuff about me and 1926 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,240 they were tied to Antifa. And this Antifa kid said they 1927 01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,280 were tied to Antifa. He's like, look, they're not 1928 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,000 really journalists. They're part of this group that 1929 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,800 just is is like a, you know, he didn't call it this, but like an 1930 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,520 activated cell. These are people that stick 1931 01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,440 together. They're they're Antifa people, 1932 01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:39,880 antifaites. I call them antifaites. 1933 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,480 Well, if you're talking about people that are doing pseudo 1934 01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:44,280 journalism, that's like a propaganda wing, right? 1935 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,480 Like every every good op always has like sort of a an 1936 01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:51,080 information operation. Civil affairs for the army, like 1937 01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,560 it's it's a pretty common thing. Makes sense that they'd be 1938 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,000 organized that way. And so I he said he can give me 1939 01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,440 because the first time I didn't really care. 1940 01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,720 Antiva. Their Antiva journalist. 1941 01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:00,560 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I get it. 1942 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:01,400 I get it. I get it. 1943 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:05,120 I mean, I get it. But the second, the second time, 1944 01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,040 he's like, listen, I can get you on a call. 1945 01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:09,680 And now I'm interested. I can. 1946 01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:13,000 I I can infiltrate Antifa. Are you serious? 1947 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,880 I'm all about that. I'm all about it. 1948 01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,200 Sign me up. And so I did. 1949 01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,840 I got on that call and Ted was supposed to be on it with me. 1950 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,960 He didn't get a chance to get on it, 'cause he had to travel. 1951 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:28,120 This is back before they fully, you know, called him a right 1952 01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,320 wing extremist militia man. Sure. 1953 01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,880 And so then it was done. I had my notes, did all the 1954 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,480 stuff, you know, figured out who they were. 1955 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,720 And then I think it was like 2 weeks later or three weeks later 1956 01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:46,320 or whatever. I literally stood up on a stage 1957 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,800 in front of three or 400 people and said we've infiltrated 1958 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,280 Antifa. We know they're not journalists, 1959 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,520 right? Well, on that call, Erica said, 1960 01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,920 hey, don't worry about it. Trump's not going to win. 1961 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,880 I made nothing sure of it at the time. 1962 01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,040 I did not think that was a real thing. 1963 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,880 Like, I what do you do? Wave your wave, your wave your 1964 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,400 wand and just say that Trump's not going to win? 1965 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:06,720 Because you say so, 'cause you're. 1966 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,760 I thought they were hyperbolic. They're, I thought everything 1967 01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,480 that they are. If you were to walk into a a, a 1968 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:17,400 area and have them talk, they're hyperbolic, They're hateful, 1969 01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,400 right? All of that stuff was happening, 1970 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,200 right? Fast forward the election. 1971 01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:28,120 November 3rd. What happened, Kyle? 1972 01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:29,360 What happened on November 3rd? I. 1973 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,080 Don't know. I I honestly don't know. 1974 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,160 I know that we didn't investigate it well because I 1975 01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:35,800 know that and and you and I have kind of talked about this a 1976 01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,920 little privately. But I know that the people that 1977 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,160 are supposed to investigate it didn't do it and they weren't 1978 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:41,680 allowed to do it. And that bothers me. 1979 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,000 But I have a sense like every other person that looked at it 1980 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,400 and went that doesn't make any sense to me. 1981 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,080 You don't win the least number of counties with the most number 1982 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,120 of votes in history and the other guy over performs even his 1983 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,120 previous performance and gets blown out of the water without 1984 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,480 something strange going on. There were so many allegations 1985 01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:01,480 that were credible that needed to be investigated that didn't 1986 01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:03,000 get done. So that's where I live. 1987 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,640 I live on the. I believe that it's it looks 1988 01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,840 stolen but I I can't prove it and I don't have anything that 1989 01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,120 that that like like definitively does. 1990 01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,240 I can show you the the evidence mathematically. 1991 01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,800 I can show you the evidence in 30 or 40 counties. 1992 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,320 I can show you the flip votes and the things that they've kept 1993 01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,280 it in disparate environments that well, this county is 1994 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,880 different than this county, but I can run the math on both and 1995 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,520 tell you and show you how they are the same. 1996 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,680 Obviously we have let my people go. 1997 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,400 You know the documentary that that David Clements did, Have 1998 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:33,600 you ever watched that? Have you watched that yet? 1999 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:34,720 No, I haven't watched it yet. I'm. 2000 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,800 I'm still behind. You should watch it, so I will, 2001 01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,440 but you have. I'm so. 2002 01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,360 I'm so far behind on on what I'd need to be reading and watching. 2003 01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,840 I can't even explain to you Joe. I'm so far. 2004 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,400 But then I just reported on him three days after the election. 2005 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,560 OK? And that Monday, I did a podcast 2006 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,960 on Eric Coomer. I still didn't know Dominion 2007 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,800 voting systems. I just focused on him. 2008 01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,320 As a guy. Yeah. 2009 01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:00,240 And. And it took. 2010 01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,160 And if if I got into all the details, you would be like, 2011 01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,680 well, holy crap. I mean, how in the world we 2012 01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,400 could put all this together? How does this not all come 2013 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,000 together? And then I had death threats. 2014 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,760 Within 48 hours. I had somebody that literally 2015 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,480 came after me that came to my house with guns. 2016 01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:22,720 I didn't even know. I didn't. 2017 01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,480 I didn't dig into Dominion. I'm getting more and more angry. 2018 01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:27,440 Somebody tell me they're going to kill my family. 2019 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:29,880 OK, now what? I tell you fight or flight? 2020 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,240 Flight doesn't exist in my world. 2021 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,080 Fight does. Right. 2022 01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,040 And I have AI own a lot of guns. I own a lot of guns. 2023 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,680 And so I was pissed. Now I'm pissed. 2024 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,560 I'm pissed. And I I don't exactly know where 2025 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,560 all this stuff is coming from. And then Eric Coomer goes and 2026 01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,840 writes something that says, oh, and I got banned by Twitter the 2027 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,600 first time that's on Twitter. I mean, literally six days after 2028 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,280 I got those, I got banned by Twitter. 2029 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,320 I. Think I got those. 2030 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,080 Do we have those? Yeah, I I like the banned by 2031 01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:57,760 Twitter. Here it is. 2032 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:00,920 Yeah, suspended. There's my first one. 2033 01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,400 There's my second one. First. 2034 01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:04,360 First one. Agile. 2035 01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,880 Yeah, So. And I was pissed. 2036 01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,520 Wouldn't you be pissed? Somebody comes after your 2037 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,440 family. At that point, you're sensory 2038 01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:13,800 overload and you're in America and everyone's talking is it's 2039 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,320 complete pandemonium. It's chaos. 2040 01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,240 But I didn't go after Dominion, right? 2041 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,400 And no one was talking about the machines. 2042 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,520 Like, did it when I when I when I got sent that thing. 2043 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,400 And I'm up. I'm up elk hunting that Friday. 2044 01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,640 I'm not thinking about the election. 2045 01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:28,880 I'm thinking, man, this is really weird. 2046 01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,080 Everything that nothing looks right. 2047 01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:34,760 But I'm not focused in on the election. 2048 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,600 I'm focused in on killing an elk so I can put some meat in the 2049 01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,080 freezer. That's what I was focusing on 2050 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,560 that, right? And so when I get this 2051 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:45,360 information, my heart sinks for a couple reasons. 2052 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,040 There's a couple reasons my heart sinks related to how I got 2053 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,280 that information. OK And then I got and I started 2054 01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:57,600 digging into Eric Coomer and then you get the he's anti. 2055 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,480 He's anti America. He hates police talking about 2056 01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:04,320 killing cops. He posts the Antifa manifesto 2057 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,640 literally the day after it was released from somewhere over in 2058 01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,400 Europe. Everything kind of just went. 2059 01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,440 Now I remember when I was back and I heard it, I went and did 2060 01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,240 the the due diligence I'd get on videos and like that's the same 2061 01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:18,960 voice. OK? 2062 01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:23,400 Because all they had was Eric Dominion Denver, Co That's it. 2063 01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,560 That's how I did my research, right. 2064 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,440 And yeah. And then when they first 2065 01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:30,800 actually filed their deal, they filed it under, well, it could 2066 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,840 have been Dominion Energy. Oh yeah, it sounded just like 2067 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,320 Eric Coomer, but it could have been that. 2068 01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:43,160 And so then he, he basically went out and said that all the 2069 01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,360 posts that I said, you know, that I put out there were all 2070 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,760 fabricated, that I basically, he didn't have a Facebook account. 2071 01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,320 He didn't have. He started talking about all the 2072 01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,600 stuff he didn't have. And I'm like, that's that's 2073 01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,920 crazy. That's not true. 2074 01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,080 Like, he he literally, those were his posts. 2075 01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:00,840 That was him. And I started digging into more. 2076 01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,840 He owned the, he owned the the adjudication process. 2077 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:10,400 He he wrote an entire essay about how he raped his wife, 2078 01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,120 peed on her, made her bark like a dog. 2079 01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,120 He wrote that and then he put his e-mail addresses at the 2080 01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:17,960 bottom. And then I started digging into 2081 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:22,480 more stuff about that. It gets, it gets much worse. 2082 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,560 It's much worse than that. You know, I didn't know Dominion 2083 01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,160 ran 50% of the vote of the American people. 2084 01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:28,920 But what would I tell you about what I like to do? 2085 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,600 I read, I research, like I'm a research. 2086 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,680 I am a research junkie. I'm sorry. 2087 01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,200 It's like the it's like the part of me where I'm like, oh, you 2088 01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,760 know, like we were just talking about malaria. 2089 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,240 And in my mind, I had to do a self. 2090 01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,840 I had to do a self correction because I needed to make sure 2091 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,600 that as a categorized thing in my brain that I categorize 2092 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:50,120 things correctly. And I have this kind of memory 2093 01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,480 that I have to do that I have to maybe I am a little autistic. 2094 01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:01,440 So get all this. Well, then after he wrote this 2095 01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:05,240 article in the Denver Post that said the death threats increased 2096 01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,560 dramatically and I'm talking about people coming to my house 2097 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,040 with guns. OK, not not. 2098 01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,400 Hey, I I want you to have to drink through a straw for the 2099 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:14,840 rest of your life. That happened. 2100 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,800 But people actually coming to my house with guns where the 2101 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,200 Sheriff's Department would have to show up with SWAT team in 2102 01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:25,480 order to clear my property, that happened like I I had to live 2103 01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:29,200 that life where people would come to my office and be across 2104 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,840 the thing at my office on a on a balcony. 2105 01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,360 And I had to have personal security detail and I had to 2106 01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,320 tell my ex-wife to get out of town and I had to put security 2107 01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,880 on my son who went to a university and I literally had 2108 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,640 to have this person follow my son around. 2109 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,120 I mean, it was what would you do to protect your kids? 2110 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,960 Yeah, why do you, why do you think that they you were 2111 01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,680 triggering this response and who was this response from? 2112 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,200 So that So then you get more angry. 2113 01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,960 You get, you get cancelled by Twitter, Everyone else is 2114 01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,400 shutting you down. They're writing all this bad 2115 01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,520 stuff about you. You're you're having a 2116 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,600 conversation over here. This guy's telling me that I 2117 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,640 made-up all these posts. Now, now the vitriol increases 2118 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,400 against me and my family, my company. 2119 01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,240 I mean, it's it's crazy. And I'm like, all right, I'm 2120 01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:12,560 going to dig in, I'm going to dig in and I'm going to find out 2121 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,320 if Dominion has the capability of stealing an election. 2122 01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,400 That's when they made a mistake. See, when they pushed against me 2123 01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,400 on the one thing, it was just God putting me in the middle 2124 01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,480 saying, hey, you're in, you're again like Forrest Gump where 2125 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:27,480 you shouldn't be. Now the second thing that I'm 2126 01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:30,240 going to do, on top of you not being where you shouldn't be is 2127 01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,560 now you have to go back because you're a, you're a, you're a 2128 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,520 tech, you're you're literally a system architect expert. 2129 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,280 That's what I do, What I'm really, really good at. 2130 01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:40,880 And now we're talking about system architecture. 2131 01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,040 Is the system designed based on publicly available informations? 2132 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:48,280 RFPs, RFQS, all the documentation, Can they use that 2133 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,040 system in order to circumvent an election? 2134 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,160 If you remember on November 3rd they had to have a run off 2135 01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:57,960 election on January 5th right? What was this? 2136 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,000 The Senate race in Georgia. Yeah, right. 2137 01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,720 This is the worn off seat I believe, right? 2138 01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,480 Yeah, or was. It worn off or was it the other 2139 01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:07,880 guy? Two seats, two seats. 2140 01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,680 OK, it was 2. There's two seats. 2141 01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:15,040 Both the Senate seats had to have a run off because they were 2142 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:20,360 within that that small margin. OK, yeah, I I won't swear that I 2143 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:21,960 remember, but I remember there was a run off there. 2144 01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:23,800 I can't remember exactly what was going on, but. 2145 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,760 Species you can. You can Fact Check me on that 2146 01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:27,400 one. I'm sure you're. 2147 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,000 I'll take you at your word right now. 2148 01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,200 I don't know. I I remember something was 2149 01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:31,840 happening there. Yeah. 2150 01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:36,880 So, so, Kyle, I said, all right, how can they do it? 2151 01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,600 And I built the small con, the big con. 2152 01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:42,760 I built this, this diagram. And the diagram literally was 2153 01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,200 here's how they would have to steal it. 2154 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,600 Here are the vulnerabilities. Here's what I knew about the 2155 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,520 publicly available system and here's what here's what Dominion 2156 01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,680 with with mail in ballots and absentee ballots. 2157 01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,840 Here's how they had to go through two adjudications, one 2158 01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,200 on signature on the absentee or I called it the absentee ballot. 2159 01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:01,160 Right. I did not get the vernacular 2160 01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,960 right calling it adjudication when it's a a signature 2161 01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:05,680 verification. So the guy, he didn't know what 2162 01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,280 he's talking about. He's talking about signature 2163 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,480 verification. It's an adjudication. 2164 01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,400 You have to adjudicate that signature, right. 2165 01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:15,360 So I built this diagram. And in that diagram I was like, 2166 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,800 oh, my gosh, they're going to steal the election. 2167 01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:22,720 They're they're going to steal the election in on the runoff 2168 01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,800 election. And I know how they're going to 2169 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,320 do it. So I started calling people and 2170 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,320 I'm like, listen, here's the reality, Here's how 'cause he 2171 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,160 sued President Trump, He sued Mayor Giuliani. 2172 01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,360 He sued. He sued everybody, right? 2173 01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,000 And he sued people just for talking to me, just for giving 2174 01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,800 me an interview. He sued them for having me. 2175 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,480 He could sue me, just sue me, right? 2176 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,280 But he sued everyone around me to make sure that I could talk 2177 01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,640 to no one, everyone, everyone around me. 2178 01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:59,040 And so I went to Washington, DC, and I think I went there on the 2179 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,680 4th and I met with him and they had Freedom Plaza on the 5th. 2180 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,840 And they said everywhere to put you up on the stage and we'll 2181 01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:09,480 put your diagram up. So I put it up on the deal and I 2182 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,520 told him exactly how they stole the election. 2183 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,600 Once they know who voted, they know who didn't vote. 2184 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,560 I told them about the six vulnerabilities and having 2185 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,480 access to outside voter rolls they can attach to fraudulent 2186 01:40:19,480 --> 01:40:22,520 and phantom ballots. Keep in mind, no one knew any of 2187 01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,080 this. We did not have Maricopa County. 2188 01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,520 We did not have Mesa County. We did not have Nevada. 2189 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,400 We did not have Georgia. We had no access to any Pre. 2190 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:31,760 All the audits is what we're saying. 2191 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,120 Yeah, so how would how would anybody know what I know? 2192 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:40,000 How is it even possible for anybody to have this information 2193 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:41,960 if it's not true? Here's the worst part. 2194 01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,040 They grilled me all day long and on the 5th. 2195 01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:48,520 Who is they again? A bunch of people from different 2196 01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:53,120 agencies and John Eastman, like I I got grilled by John Eastman 2197 01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:54,520 and a bunch of other people that came in. 2198 01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:58,920 I met with and socialized what I what I thought was happening. 2199 01:40:58,920 --> 01:40:59,960 I went and met with Patrick, Bernie. 2200 01:40:59,960 --> 01:41:01,480 So that's a nice theory. This isn't a theory. 2201 01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:03,520 This is how they did it and they're going to do it again 2202 01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,320 tonight. I think it was tonight or the, 2203 01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:07,640 you know, I think the 4th is. I told them that the 5th is when 2204 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,880 this happened. And then I said here's the 2205 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,520 percentages and the fact the system has to go down, has to 2206 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,040 come back up because once they know who voted, what else do 2207 01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,360 they not know? They know who didn't vote. 2208 01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,720 So now you can take those registrations, you can attach 2209 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,560 those to those phantom and fraudulent ballots and no one 2210 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,680 will ever know, right. And then it's going to be the 2211 01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,400 Republicans are winning, it's going to switch and the 2212 01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,480 Democrats are going to win. And that's exactly what 2213 01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:34,720 happened. So I got a call in the morning, 2214 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,120 2:00 in the morning or so. They're like, how did you know? 2215 01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:41,720 I was like, I'm clairvoyant. I'm a, I'm a clairvoyant person. 2216 01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,720 Like, I see dead people. No, I didn't say that. 2217 01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,280 I just said I'm clairvoyant. And they said we need to get you 2218 01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,040 You you have to go to the State Department. 2219 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,320 OK, why the state? Department. 2220 01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,920 I have no idea. I mean, they wanted me to meet 2221 01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,200 with Pompeo, OK? And. 2222 01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:03,000 And they had brief Pompeo and Council for Pompeo. 2223 01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:07,320 And so then while everything was happening, when when John 2224 01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,360 Eastman got on that stage and talked about all the stuff 2225 01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,400 related to the election, when he was speaking about, you know, 2226 01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,960 they could suspend ballots so you have your stepper database. 2227 01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,240 They found all that in Mesa County a year later, right? 2228 01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:22,760 They didn't. They didn't. 2229 01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,760 The only way I would have known it is to actually be able to 2230 01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,440 look at all the manuals and go through all the things that were 2231 01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:30,320 publicly available at the same time. 2232 01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,000 All of this is happening. Dominion is wiping the Internet. 2233 01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:37,400 I mean wiping it clean. Of their their publicly 2234 01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:40,080 available information. Yeah, everywhere. 2235 01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,000 So then on the on the 6th, I met with council for Pompeo. 2236 01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:51,560 You know, you go into what's a skiff, basically you can't have 2237 01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,400 computers, you can't have phone, you can't have anything. 2238 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,680 Yep, it's, it's, it's, it's eerie. 2239 01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,720 Kind of got to watch these turns out. 2240 01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,320 Gifts aren't fun. And it was that State Department 2241 01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:03,120 at the State Department. I've been there. 2242 01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:07,400 Yeah, OK. And I met with counsel for 2243 01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:11,840 Pompeo, with five other people. Now let me just tell you 2244 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,560 something. I tell him exactly how it works. 2245 01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,160 I put up the thing and walk through it. 2246 01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,320 He goes, why would anybody do that? 2247 01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:23,680 And I was like, I don't know, Sir, I just know they did it. 2248 01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,320 And Kyle, that he did not look surprised at all. 2249 01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,240 There was no surprise on his face. 2250 01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,400 Matter of fact, in all the time that I had done negotiating in 2251 01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,440 the Middle East and Africa, I learned to read people's ticks, 2252 01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,920 and he had a lot of them. And all of a sudden he had to go 2253 01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:48,960 and he left and he was nervous and he knew I don't. 2254 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,400 I mean, I look, I I'm going to tell you right now the most 2255 01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,400 uncomfortable position that I have been in was right then 2256 01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,480 because I'm going to Skiff. I mean they could just open a 2257 01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:58,720 door on the floor. I don't even know. 2258 01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,240 I mean I I I guess they got to have a floor door somewhere, 2259 01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:02,840 right. And so I'm. 2260 01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,240 Like a trap door. Yeah, but that's not where 2261 01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:07,840 that's not where it ended. It got worse than that. 2262 01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:12,440 I mean, infiltrated my company, tried to take over my bank 2263 01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:14,160 accounts. I had to step down as the CEO of 2264 01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,360 my company told a story to people that I was actually at 2265 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,080 the Capitol when what happened on January 6th, I wasn't. 2266 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,280 I was at the so I had to play damage control. 2267 01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,440 I had to fly back early. There was a there was a a 2268 01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:28,480 microphone in my hotel room. I grabbed all my stuff and left. 2269 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:33,240 I mean it was look, if if if and I and I the whole way. 2270 01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:35,160 I like, I have pictures I have people that were there. 2271 01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:37,000 I I'm thinking to myself this can't be real. 2272 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:40,040 Like this is not, this can't, this can't be real life like 2273 01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:42,080 they're they just upped it a notch. 2274 01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,120 And at that moment I was like, I thought I was ready for it. 2275 01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:50,760 I thought, I thought that I was prepared for everything and it 2276 01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:57,880 turns out I wasn't. So I came home and you know, I 2277 01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:01,200 had to step down for my company for three years, got right back 2278 01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:05,000 into the fight and sacrificed what could have been the 2279 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:10,840 largest, you know, win for me and selling my company, you 2280 01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:16,080 know, $250 million sales all. Wild. 2281 01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:20,400 Yeah, so here I am. Here you are and you do a 2282 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,120 podcast every day. I'm a podcaster now. 2283 01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:31,600 Yeah, you're selling a goat and. My GTO 67 GTO because my wife 2284 01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,480 said get rid of your toys because you have too many of 2285 01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:35,880 them and I got like AII like old cars. 2286 01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:37,800 So I got like an 89. Super no. 2287 01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,080 Well, well, well, I don't want. To get out of the pocket on this 2288 01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,640 per SE, I'm just saying that you you've got things in your life, 2289 01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,560 but that that's an incredibly heavy thing to walk around with. 2290 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:54,040 And I guess what is the biggest question here you felt like 2291 01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:56,720 sitting in that room that they were not surprised by what you 2292 01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:59,320 said. Why would they not be surprised? 2293 01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:03,960 Like why would they be OK with what you're describing? 2294 01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:08,640 Even if they believed in what if they wanted what that what 2295 01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:09,920 happened? Like the fact that you're out 2296 01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,080 there saying something that they you believe they thought you 2297 01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:18,600 you'd uncovered. I got to tell you. 2298 01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:23,120 I got to tell you something. The the problem with paradigm 2299 01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:27,640 crashes both ways is you can't Unsee it. 2300 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,640 It doesn't matter if it's like when I went to the Middle East 2301 01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,920 and I found out that Muslims were actually amazing people, 2302 01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:36,000 right? And by the way, they do believe 2303 01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,480 in Jesus. Maybe it's a little different. 2304 01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:40,520 And then people say, ah, it's not the same Jesus, not Allah is 2305 01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:42,880 not God. Allah means God in Arabic, just 2306 01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,120 so you know, and Aramaic and allaha, it's all come from the 2307 01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:48,760 Abrahamic faith, which I studied, right. 2308 01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:53,800 So once you understand the the paradigm crash, you have to then 2309 01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,600 start looking at it. And then I started looking at 2310 01:46:56,600 --> 01:47:01,600 the OPS that were coming out of that, the cue stuff, right. 2311 01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,000 The beam of lights going to come down. 2312 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,040 There's a secret city. President Trump is still in 2313 01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,160 control even though he's in Mar a Lago. 2314 01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:09,800 I mean, you heard it, right? I mean, this isn't new to you. 2315 01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,160 No, the continuity of government, people that don't 2316 01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:13,760 know what continuity of government is that, that's 2317 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,840 always weird. It's really weird to talk to 2318 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,960 those people. For me, I'm like, that's you've 2319 01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,480 obviously never been around the government. 2320 01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,320 And and then you have people like Joe Bond, Pulitzer that 2321 01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,160 they're talking about stuff, and he doesn't know what the hell 2322 01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:27,480 he's talking about. And he said he hacked the 2323 01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:29,720 machine, which he didn't. And you have all this other 2324 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,280 stuff. It's like this white noise that 2325 01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,960 exists everywhere. And I just am. 2326 01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:38,680 I'm so angry at what I've given up that when they say stuff bad 2327 01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:40,640 about me, I fight back. And I'm trying to get to that 2328 01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,640 point where I can just concentrate and not fight back. 2329 01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,000 But then I get cancelled from Twitter again because I'm 2330 01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,000 talking about the same stuff we were talking about before. 2331 01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:50,400 And Elon's telling us that it's this free place that, you know, 2332 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,360 we we're free speech. And then I see what they do to 2333 01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,280 other people and free speech. And then they just make up 2334 01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,920 things and they get rid of anybody that is actually working 2335 01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,520 the problem and get down to you're allowed to talk about it 2336 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,440 and bitch about it, but you're not allowed to do anything about 2337 01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:02,840 it. So anytime you start talking 2338 01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,240 about Gideon project and getting people together to do the right 2339 01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,240 thing and to stand up in a place of interposition between those 2340 01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:10,920 that do harm and those that be harmed, you know that they got 2341 01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,640 to get rid of those people. And that's why, you know, Elon's 2342 01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,400 out there talking about this stuff and he's literally 2343 01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:16,960 lowering. It's like the Pied Piper. 2344 01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,080 He's lowering people in. And and I don't know that for a 2345 01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:23,680 fact, but it sure feels like it. Because why are those people 2346 01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,480 that have the strongest voices kept down? 2347 01:48:25,480 --> 01:48:27,160 And why is Conservative Inc kept up? 2348 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:29,960 And why are people grifting and grafting and taking stuff from 2349 01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,640 Mike Wendell and doing all this other stuff while creating these 2350 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,640 different factions? Then you start getting down to 2351 01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,280 chaos. Chaos favors the OP, never 2352 01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,800 favors the people, right? And then you're trying to scream 2353 01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,080 from the highest building that this is not real. 2354 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,240 Don't follow that. And then people get mad at you 2355 01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:47,320 because you're telling them the truth. 2356 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:49,600 But at the same time, you're over here trying to work the 2357 01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,400 problem and gather even more data, more information, help as 2358 01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,400 many people as you possibly can unselfishly. 2359 01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,000 And then other people are taking credit for it. 2360 01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,600 They walk around saying that was mine, and that's mine and that's 2361 01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,280 mine. And you stole this from me. 2362 01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,600 And I'm thinking to myself, what the, what is this? 2363 01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,360 And I feel like I'm. I've gone back in maturity, 2364 01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:09,440 right? I was thinking about that today. 2365 01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:10,760 I like, I feel like I'm going backwards. 2366 01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,640 Like I can't just walk away and let them just talk. 2367 01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,440 But then I because then they get validated. 2368 01:49:16,440 --> 01:49:19,120 And if I don't talk, are you letting them say that stuff 2369 01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,760 about you or do you? And so now I'm stuck. 2370 01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,360 I'm stuck in this place where I think. 2371 01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:30,840 That feeling is is shared by a more than just you and I. 2372 01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:35,760 The idea that certain voices, they're saying something that's 2373 01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,320 obviously true and resonates, but it's not. 2374 01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,720 It's not making it through. And there's a lot of that noise. 2375 01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,200 I think a lot of that. So, so much of the noise, so 2376 01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:46,960 much of the noise, so much of the infighting that I see. 2377 01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,920 Like true social is one of the hardest places for me to 2378 01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:50,920 interact because there are so many people. 2379 01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,080 This is, this is my take on it. I'd be curious in your 2380 01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,600 reflection. I think that whatever 2381 01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,920 institutional faith that happened, that that existed in 2382 01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,680 this country and there was a lot in law enforcement, a lot of 2383 01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,800 that got destroyed. There was a lot of institutional 2384 01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:07,160 faith in the media historically for a very long time. 2385 01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,920 There's a whole generation of people that said if it's on TV, 2386 01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,080 it must be true because they obviously have standards and 2387 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,760 they're not allowed to say things that are false. 2388 01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,160 So there's that. There's people that believed in 2389 01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:19,000 the Pharmaceutical industry in a way that they couldn't believe 2390 01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,000 that people who took a Hippocratic Oath do no harm. 2391 01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,880 There's no chance that those people are doing the wrong thing 2392 01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,720 or that they have no idea what they're talking about, you know? 2393 01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:30,000 And then you go into my pediatrician in 2021 when my 2394 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,000 wife and I are moving and she was like, oh, man, must be weird 2395 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,560 for your kids to see someone. They haven't seen people in a 2396 01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:37,480 year and a half and were like, are you out of your damn mind? 2397 01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:40,160 Like, no, they're they're they're my daughter's three. 2398 01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,640 She's been seeing her neighbors every day. 2399 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,800 Because we're not insane. We're regular people, and the 2400 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:47,240 regular people around us are not insane. 2401 01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:49,440 Like, you're crazy. You're wearing 2 masks and 2402 01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:51,960 eyeglasses. You're bat shit nuts, I can 2403 01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,680 tell. So all these people lost, all 2404 01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:54,920 these faiths and all these institutions. 2405 01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,960 It's a long way of saying it, but the lesson seems to be 2406 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,160 learned by a lot of people in the conservative side, which is 2407 01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:01,600 the worst and scariest thing for me. 2408 01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:05,560 And the answer was, I don't trust any of the institutions I 2409 01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,680 did. Therefore, anything I think is 2410 01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:12,640 now true. Whatever instinct I have, the 2411 01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:15,680 CIA is controlling everything around me. 2412 01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:18,920 There's an implant in my head. President Trump is still the 2413 01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:22,400 president from Mira Lago, and he runs some devolved version of 2414 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,400 the government that runs through a continuity program. 2415 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,240 And he's making secret treaties and he's exposing all the bad 2416 01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:29,120 guys by making them put him in jail. 2417 01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,640 And he's actually Jesus and all the other crazy shit that's out 2418 01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:33,760 there. And that is all full crazy to 2419 01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:34,560 me. I don't know it. 2420 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,040 But like, that only comes from one place. 2421 01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,200 Your mind got warped, you got broken from all your anchors, 2422 01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,960 all your things that were holding you down, and now you're 2423 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,000 just a drift in the world and anything that floats by that 2424 01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,600 sounds interesting, you just add that to your your own pile of 2425 01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:48,040 crazy. You're a you're a crab that's 2426 01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,480 building a a shiny shell of of lunacy. 2427 01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:54,000 And so many people are in that. And it's like for me, it's the 2428 01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,600 saddest thing I've ever seen. I I always tell people the 2429 01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:58,320 Internet was the worst thing that ever happened for mental 2430 01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,280 illness in this country. It's probably the worst thing 2431 01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:01,680 that happened for a lot of other reasons. 2432 01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:04,600 But what do you, what do you, what's your take on something 2433 01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:07,320 like that, this unmoored sense that so many people have, and 2434 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,800 then then they treat the Internet like it's real, which I 2435 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,880 think you and I both kind of haven't lived in the real world. 2436 01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,400 It's not always real. It has real consequences, but 2437 01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:19,720 it's not real. Well, I think people are in 2438 01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:22,680 different camps because there's an ounce of truth in what 2439 01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:23,840 they're saying. That no that. 2440 01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:27,640 Bite off on that truth, right? And then that leads them down a 2441 01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,240 path, right? So you have friends, right? 2442 01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,880 And you you have a friend. You're I I know that for a fact 2443 01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,280 that you've been through this. You have a friend. 2444 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,960 You do anything for that friend, and then that friend does 2445 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,800 something and everyone else is mad at him. 2446 01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,000 And now they want you to be mad at him too. 2447 01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,600 And now you're you're you've got your friends. 2448 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,640 You've been friends for a long time and you, you know what he's 2449 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:54,360 doing is wrong and you're like, man, And then you go to your 2450 01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:55,560 friend, you're like, bro, you're wrong. 2451 01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,240 And you have to go to him and say you're you're wrong. 2452 01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:00,880 And he's like, dude, we're we're friends. 2453 01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,080 I was like, what the hell has that got to do with it? 2454 01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:05,840 You're wrong, right. I'm sorry. 2455 01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:10,080 You're you're still wrong. You want me to still be your 2456 01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,360 friend. Oh, I get it. 2457 01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:15,560 You want me to keep your secret. I'm not interested. 2458 01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,800 I'm not interested in keeping your secret. 2459 01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:22,200 I'm not interested in in not telling you and not being your 2460 01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,080 accountability brother. I'm not interested in that. 2461 01:53:24,440 --> 01:53:27,400 And so you sever these relationships because you you 2462 01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,800 want to tell people the truth and not just the subjective 2463 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,280 truth and your truth or my truth. 2464 01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,280 You want to tell people the truth. 2465 01:53:34,440 --> 01:53:37,000 And so you have a lot of people out there that that literally 2466 01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,800 now are convinced of a truth. But they, they did it all in 2467 01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:44,320 their brain because they just went on, they went on the 2468 01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,000 Internet and they're like, oh, see, it's true. 2469 01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:48,920 I got to believe that guy, right? 2470 01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,480 Because that little bit of truth was like the psyop that brought 2471 01:53:51,480 --> 01:53:54,120 him down this path. And now they did it enough in 2472 01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,440 enough different places. You have enough people that are 2473 01:53:56,440 --> 01:54:00,120 that are influence influencers that are out there talking, that 2474 01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:02,840 are in different camps, that are just off by three or 4° and 2475 01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:04,520 talking about this person, this person talking about that 2476 01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:06,120 person, this person talking about that person. 2477 01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:07,880 And then most of these people are afraid to tell the truth 2478 01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:09,800 about the person that that I'm talking about. 2479 01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:11,560 Or they don't know you're you know. 2480 01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:13,120 That's the worst. There's so much ignorance. 2481 01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:14,840 But you're right there. There's a small degree of 2482 01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:17,840 accuracy. It's like is there a continuity 2483 01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:19,920 of government program? I I've said that a couple times 2484 01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:22,520 but that's that's the the thing that I always see people lean on 2485 01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:24,320 that President Trump is still commander in chief because 2486 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:25,360 there's continuity of government. 2487 01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:28,280 It's like well, that exists but it's not what you think it is. 2488 01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,280 You're wrong. You misunderstood what it is. 2489 01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:33,960 It's a program that's like been hoarding fuel and resources and 2490 01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:36,440 coms devices and bunkers and things like that and those all 2491 01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,320 exist 100% and they're really bad. 2492 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,040 They're government. Like when I lived at Kirtland 2493 01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:41,920 Air Force Base, There's continuity government buildings 2494 01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:43,320 there, and they're underneath the mountains. 2495 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,760 And we had this deal where they trusted the drinking water and 2496 01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,360 everyone was like, oh God, the drinking water at Kirtland Air 2497 01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,000 Force Base has more arsenic than anywhere else in the United 2498 01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,120 States. And you're like, that doesn't 2499 01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:54,640 seem like a good thing. I probably don't want to drink 2500 01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:56,680 all that arsenic. And then they also had this 2501 01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:58,680 other story that happened like a couple of weeks later in the 2502 01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:03,320 base newspaper, 500 million barrels of oil are missing from 2503 01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,160 the Jet Propulsion, you know, stores that we keep. 2504 01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:07,560 And you're like, oh, that seems like a problem. 2505 01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:10,120 They've been missing and and someone's been slowly stealing 2506 01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:12,520 it since the 1950s. And you're like, oh shit, that's 2507 01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:16,560 a big operation. 500 million barrels of oil of GP8 jet 2508 01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,080 proportion stuff. We we shouldn't have that. 2509 01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:19,720 And then you realize like, no, they were just government 2510 01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:21,000 contractors and they're shitty tanks. 2511 01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,920 The tanks have been leaching it into the groundwater and the 2512 01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:25,840 groundwater has more arsenic in it because it's been interacting 2513 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,640 with whatever's in the soil. So that's that's real continuity 2514 01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:30,080 of government. It's still government. 2515 01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:32,600 It's still garbage. It's not secret plans. 2516 01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,760 It's not John Connor. It's not Skynet. 2517 01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,720 It's like, you know, people that build stuff at a low contract 2518 01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,680 rate and do a bad job and no accountability and nobody 2519 01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:43,040 X-rayed the tanks. And that's real. 2520 01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,720 But there is a real program, and I could see where you start 2521 01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:48,120 thinking what that program could be used for if you didn't know 2522 01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:52,000 because the publicly available data is not something that you 2523 01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,880 understand. Like you say that two or three 2524 01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,440 or 4° off, Think about your think about your rifle shot 2525 01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,600 that's off by three degrees. That's not too big a deal. 2526 01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,160 At 50 yards, no big deal. You're still hitting paper. 2527 01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:06,400 Take it out to 1000, though, and you're in the mountains, man. 2528 01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:08,160 You're. Still hitting it, are you? 2529 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,240 Not a three or 4° off, you're not. 2530 01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:12,800 No, not 3 or 4° off. You might be. 2531 01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,200 I'm just saying you take a you take an aim that's that far off 2532 01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:16,840 at a short distance, you're still hitting the paper. 2533 01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:19,800 But once you start. Yeah, you start adding that that 2534 01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,840 variation and you're and you're, you know you're misaligned 0 2535 01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:24,120 which is what these people are dealing with. 2536 01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:25,800 Like I said, it's an anchor. That's not true. 2537 01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,720 So they're adding things that like you said, it's correct. 2538 01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:31,400 There are elements of a lot of truth in all these things. 2539 01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:33,680 There is a, you know, there is a queue clearance. 2540 01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:36,840 That's a real thing. I could have got it if I needed 2541 01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:37,840 it. I just didn't have a need to 2542 01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:39,160 know. I worked with Department of 2543 01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,360 Energy and I didn't need to know anything about the nukes, but if 2544 01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:42,360 I needed to, I would have got it. 2545 01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:43,920 So what? That doesn't mean you know all 2546 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:45,600 the secrets. Just means you know stuff about 2547 01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:47,640 energy. It's just not the thing. 2548 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,360 Compartmentalize. Compartmentalize. 2549 01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:50,400 Compartmentalize. Always. 2550 01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,040 Always. Always. 2551 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,400 Which is why so many people have so little That that's the 2552 01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,560 weirdest thing about my situation is that I was able to 2553 01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,800 see so many different compartments only because I 2554 01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,160 traveled along to a lot of field offices. 2555 01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:02,520 I saw all this weird stuff that I that most people don't because 2556 01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,120 I wanted to be there. Maybe because God put me into 2557 01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:06,280 that spot. I touched more major events than 2558 01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:07,400 I have any reason to have touched. 2559 01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:09,520 I know more about more cases than I should have known. 2560 01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,120 But doesn't mean I have a perfect picture. 2561 01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:13,360 Doesn't mean that you have a perfect picture. 2562 01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:16,200 Even if you have visibility into one sort of architectural 2563 01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,720 problem. We we're just all pieces of it. 2564 01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,040 And then when you start relying on yourself that that my truth 2565 01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,480 version, right versus the the truth. 2566 01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:27,680 We're we're all trying to approximate the capital T truth, 2567 01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:30,280 I think. Well, I think we're trying to 2568 01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:33,200 figure out how we solve this problem without violence. 2569 01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:35,800 I know that we're that I'm interested in that. 2570 01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,520 I think. I think good hearted people are 2571 01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,120 and I I think that actually goes this circles back to the thing 2572 01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:44,400 we started with and this maybe is your experience in the Middle 2573 01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,560 East. It's my instinct and I'm curious 2574 01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,360 if you believe the same. My instinct is that my neighbor, 2575 01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:53,120 even if my neighbor thinks Joe Biden is a wonderful man and 2576 01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:56,840 he's a a great grandfather and a terrific president, that person 2577 01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:58,760 is not my enemy. Correct. 2578 01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,360 I don't believe that Americans are my enemy, and so I can't 2579 01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,160 accept that. They might believe that I'm 2580 01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,480 their enemy, but I actually can deal with that too. 2581 01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:13,440 But I think, I think we're so far, we're being divided, and in 2582 01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:18,200 reality we all probably have 6575% of the same beliefs if we 2583 01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:19,400 were being really honest about it. 2584 01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:21,080 And that doesn't mean we have to fight each other. 2585 01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:22,840 That means we just don't agree on everything. 2586 01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:27,760 Well, and and so this is, this becomes a very difficult part of 2587 01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:30,680 who is our enemy. That's the question. 2588 01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:35,160 And I think that this is where we have to really settle in on 2589 01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:38,360 and look, I know what it feels like to everything's a a nail 2590 01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,720 and I'm the hammer, right? Because I was blessed with 2591 01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:45,400 gifts, right? And it's in a stupid amount of 2592 01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:49,280 either I'm just too stupid to be afraid or just I have. 2593 01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:52,480 I lack fear, right? Institutional fear. 2594 01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:57,600 I just don't have it. But once we know who the enemy 2595 01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:00,800 is, once we once we have articulated that these are our 2596 01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,920 enemies, that that this rotted institution of government, that 2597 01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:09,160 that Ur Gernan or whatever his name is, the the judge for 2598 01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:12,560 Trump. That's a really bad person like 2599 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:14,400 that. That that person does not 2600 01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,360 epitomize American values and he is a judge. 2601 01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,520 And then then you can start to basically build a. 2602 01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:24,160 All right, here is here's the apparatus and here are the rot, 2603 01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,240 the institutional rot we have in that environment. 2604 01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:28,640 And then how do we fix that? Because when you start to fix 2605 01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:32,640 the rot from, you know, just pinpointing the rot, OK, let's 2606 01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:34,320 get rid of this rod, let's get rid of this rod, let's get rid 2607 01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,720 of this rod. You can start to actually create 2608 01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:38,760 progress where you don't have to. 2609 01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:41,520 I don't have to stand on the other side of a of a of my 2610 01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:43,960 American brother and sister. Now we're starting to figure out 2611 01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:46,280 that you have the Americans on one side and you have the 2612 01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:51,400 institutional rot and these these these camp enslavement. 2613 01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,840 I'll call them brown shirts. The people that are on the 2614 01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,440 Republican side and the Democrat side because they're both the 2615 01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:59,520 same. They're identical that they are 2616 01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,520 the ones that we look at and say you know that we should evict 2617 02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:06,040 them and we have we have a way to do that but how do we if they 2618 02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,920 keep us all divided then that we we basically it's a gladiatorial 2619 02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:12,040 sport. We are literally their muse. 2620 02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:15,040 We are providing them with entertainment. 2621 02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:17,640 Well, they are making money on our flesh and sending it to 2622 02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:20,560 foreign countries to kill other women and children and create 2623 02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:24,640 bloodbaths and and you know, meat grinders like they're doing 2624 02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:30,520 in Ukraine. It it almost had this this 2625 02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:36,120 instinct about that three 4% off and if you take that that three 2626 02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:39,480 4% off let's say from the 80s. I don't know when our when our 2627 02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,480 American Society peaked, but it, I don't know, somewhere between 2628 02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:46,160 the 1950s and the 1980s it was, it was, it seemed like it was 2629 02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:48,160 tracking better. There was less racism, there was 2630 02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,160 more cultural acceptance. You could pretty much do 2631 02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:51,680 anything you wanted. There was more cocaine in the 2632 02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:54,240 80s maybe, but whatever. There were things going on. 2633 02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:56,400 People were making money. There was an instinct that 2634 02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,200 people still thought America was the good guy, all that. 2635 02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,760 And then somewhere between then and now there you don't have to 2636 02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:06,200 have a full deviation but some percentage off three, 4% off 2637 02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,960 mark. And the people that that are, 2638 02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,600 the quote UN quote enemies are the ones that are fighting to 2639 02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:16,280 continue the status quo of today of 2024 America versus the 2640 02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:19,400 people who want the status quo of, I don't know, 20-30 years 2641 02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:23,080 ago. And yeah, no, I think you're 2642 02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:24,840 absolutely right. Like and I believe I've. 2643 02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:27,400 Had people tell me that 1995 might have been the high point 2644 02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,800 for this country, you know, look, I'm in high school at that 2645 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:33,280 point, but somewhere in that range, you know, somewhere in 2646 02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:38,280 the in the early 90s, you know, we had nothing but integrated 2647 02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:39,760 television. I didn't know the difference 2648 02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:42,080 between a black person and not a black person when I was watching 2649 02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:43,080 it. I don't remember race being a 2650 02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:44,760 problem. Everybody had a pretty good 2651 02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,440 standard of living. Most people had some decent 2652 02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:47,840 things. Poverty was just, you know, 2653 02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:49,960 disappearing around the globe in a lot of ways. 2654 02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:51,360 We had all this ability to do it. 2655 02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:52,520 There was a pretty good sense of it. 2656 02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:55,880 The Cold War is over and we had that hope where we thought we 2657 02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,440 were still the good guys, you know, even if we were the bad 2658 02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:02,080 guys. A lot of that stuff, even if it 2659 02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:05,480 was fake they always say in the military false motivation is 2660 02:02:05,480 --> 02:02:11,200 still motivation like fake hope because you believe in something 2661 02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:14,480 that's not real is still feels good and it and it can still be 2662 02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,520 a virtue if that's the thing. Even if it the thing you believe 2663 02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,160 in is not real if you're if you're acting positively in it. 2664 02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,000 There's no Henry story about it called the Saint. 2665 02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:25,840 You know, behaving as a St., even if you're not a St., will 2666 02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:28,600 bring about a saintly visions. It will turn you into a St. 2667 02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:31,160 And a lot of people had that in the in, I don't know, early, 2668 02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:32,560 late 90s as it kind of went through. 2669 02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:36,520 And then, man, we've gone. We've gone far astray from that 2670 02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:38,880 in the last 20 years, 25 years do. 2671 02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:43,720 You know what the largest amount of anger you can get out of a 2672 02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:45,880 population is, or a person individually. 2673 02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:48,080 I don't. Betrayal. 2674 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,280 It's a strong word that I've been using a lot in the last 2675 02:02:52,280 --> 02:02:54,400 couple weeks, so carry on, keep telling me Warren. 2676 02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:58,960 So betrayal is the one thing that creates hopeless rage. 2677 02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,880 Because you can't comprehend it. You can't. 2678 02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:06,040 You can't. You can't quantify it. 2679 02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:08,160 You don't know how deep it is. You don't know how long it's 2680 02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:10,800 been there. Everything about you that 2681 02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:13,920 betrayal becomes becomes a questionable environment. 2682 02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:17,800 And so from there, from that distrust, everything blooms into 2683 02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:21,400 distrust because that betrayal is blind. 2684 02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:22,840 Well. Betrayal. 2685 02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:24,720 Yeah. Betrayal by its nature doesn't 2686 02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:28,440 happen to a from a stranger. It has to happen from someone 2687 02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:30,720 that you trust. So it can only be the 2688 02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:34,440 undermining of trust. And so you talk about the trust 2689 02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:37,680 of institutions. And now you have families. 2690 02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:40,480 You have thousands of families that are adversely affected by 2691 02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:44,640 by J6. By January 6th, you have, you 2692 02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:47,600 have thousands of people that are adversely affected by the 2693 02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:49,880 things that they're doing inside of inner cities when they give 2694 02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:53,480 illegals benefits and they walk over the bodies of veterans and 2695 02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:55,520 people in impoverished communities. 2696 02:03:56,440 --> 02:03:58,560 It's it's a betrayal that then becomes it. 2697 02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:01,120 You can articulate it, you can see it, you can smell it, you 2698 02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:03,600 can taste it and no one is left untouched. 2699 02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,560 It's your doctor that tells you that I'm going to give you this 2700 02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:07,720 thing that makes no sense and you have to get it if you want 2701 02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:09,720 to be part of my practice. And by the way, I know your kid 2702 02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:12,880 is 6 months old, but this is a important experiment we're all 2703 02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:16,600 going to do together. It's like that's betrayal and 2704 02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,360 then, God forbid, a negative outcome of which many people did 2705 02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,640 untold numbers. So then the betrayal leads to 2706 02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:24,800 and and that's why I believe it's all purposeful. 2707 02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:27,680 Like I'm a math, I'm, I'm for me, it's all math. 2708 02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,480 I look at it and I go, OK, so betrayal is the thing that 2709 02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:32,400 everyone feels. And you can you can have 2710 02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:35,920 conversation with people because the other side of betrayal is 2711 02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:38,880 accountability, right. When you, when you're betraying, 2712 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,880 you want some accountability. You want someone When they do, 2713 02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,800 when they wrong you, you want to be able to have a consequence to 2714 02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:45,480 them wronging you. That's the that's the 2715 02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:47,800 fundamentals. That's the fabric of society. 2716 02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:50,760 That's that is actually the fabric that people pull down on. 2717 02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:52,840 Hey, look, I know this happened, but there has to be 2718 02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:54,680 accountability. That's why you have forgiveness. 2719 02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:57,400 But we don't have any accountability. 2720 02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:00,640 We don't have any consequences. They're acting with impunity. 2721 02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:02,760 Betrayal is still happening, Happens every day. 2722 02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:04,080 We read about it. We see about it. 2723 02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:06,320 We have people that go out there and they do the hard work. 2724 02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:10,680 I was, I was watching someone kind of attack you for having a 2725 02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:15,240 a thought and about President Trump. 2726 02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:17,800 And he said something and you said something about what he 2727 02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:20,440 said and it went straight to your throat and they went right 2728 02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:21,360 at you. And you're like, all right, 2729 02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:23,440 let's talk about this. Right. 2730 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,040 And the reality of it was, is that you were being a thought 2731 02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:28,360 leader. And then they were like, oh, 2732 02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:31,600 you're betraying Trump. It it it, it, it went straight 2733 02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:34,840 to the one thing of oh, no, you. I'm going to check you. 2734 02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:37,520 I'm going to hold you accountable because nothing else 2735 02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:38,840 around them can be held accountable. 2736 02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:41,840 No, that's true. I I, I I couldn't figure out 2737 02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:43,680 what the, I mean I don't know what the mechanism is and that 2738 02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:45,160 may be it. It may be that I have no 2739 02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:47,600 accountability but you're within the camp and I can reach you. 2740 02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:51,600 You know, the fact the matter was is I was right. 2741 02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:54,040 This is this is not, this is not. 2742 02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:57,600 You know, the answer is, is we hold everybody accountable that 2743 02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:59,520 we can and we don't have to do it in a mean way. 2744 02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:00,480 And I'm not mean. I'm. 2745 02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:01,640 I'm actually very loving about it. 2746 02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:04,960 I don't have any sort of instinct one way or another 2747 02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:07,320 about Donald Trump except when he says something that's wrong, 2748 02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:08,920 I say it's wrong. And when he says something 2749 02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:10,600 that's right, I say that's right. 2750 02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,400 So I'm not emotional about it. That's the easiest thing for me. 2751 02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:15,560 And if people attack me about my thoughts about it, I know far 2752 02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:17,080 more like feel free to lay it out. 2753 02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:18,920 Somebody attacked me the other day about something very funny. 2754 02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:23,960 They said, how dare you defend this, this United States Secret 2755 02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:26,800 Service uniform Division officer that draw that drew his gun down 2756 02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:29,000 on somebody that was on fire. What do you know? 2757 02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:31,800 And I said, well, let me just tell you this, I'm more than 2758 02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:34,440 happy to learn that I'm wrong. But I would like you to lay out 2759 02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:37,040 your credentials in emergency medical services, which I have 2760 02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:38,760 some in that. I'd like you to lay out your 2761 02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:41,640 experience in the tactical environment as a as a military 2762 02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:43,120 member. And I'd like to lead you to lay 2763 02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:45,120 out your law enforcement credentials because I've got all 2764 02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:47,320 of those and I've been a paramedic in all three of those 2765 02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:50,320 and also a civilian. So lay out what your credentials 2766 02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:52,480 are and then I will be. And you know, I'm not trying to 2767 02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,640 like do any D measuring here, but I'm just saying lay them 2768 02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:55,440 out. Let me know what your 2769 02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:57,560 credentials are so I can evaluate your opinion and then 2770 02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,640 tell me why you think I'm wrong. And if you're not going to 2771 02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:02,120 respond to that, I'm going to assume that you that we're done 2772 02:07:02,120 --> 02:07:04,400 with this conversation. I'm not telling you I know 2773 02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:05,920 everything. I'm just saying I'm coming from 2774 02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,720 a pretty credible point of view. And I've got a fairly, fairly 2775 02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:11,560 competent processor up here that takes in information and 2776 02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:13,480 remembers and processes things based on what I'm seeing. 2777 02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:15,680 And that was a response that was reasonable anyway. 2778 02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:18,320 We're not in a place where people are doing that 2779 02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:20,840 discussion. Everybody is emotionally 2780 02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:22,920 reacting. They are having that amygdala, I 2781 02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:26,320 I call it amygdala porn, which is to say fear based. 2782 02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:29,000 It's an emotional fight flight. It's a sympathetic, nervous 2783 02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:31,400 response. It's either you're with us or 2784 02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:33,080 against us. Those are all false dichotomies. 2785 02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:35,520 That's not the way that Americans live, not the way that 2786 02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:36,720 I grew up, not the way you grew up. 2787 02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:39,440 It's like, hey, is there middle ground here? 2788 02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:40,640 And you found it in the Middle East. 2789 02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:43,440 You've probably found it in every community you've ever 2790 02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:44,240 been. And that's just the way it 2791 02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:46,000 works. We're not all one thing or 2792 02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,200 another. I think common ground is that 2793 02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:50,560 one thing we have to be able to work on. 2794 02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,320 And I and I I feel like I'm challenged now more than ever, 2795 02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:55,120 'cause I went, I went in both directions. 2796 02:07:55,120 --> 02:08:00,440 I went anti anti Muslim, anti Middle East to wanting peace and 2797 02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:04,000 reconciliation between Muslims, Christians and Jews to add 2798 02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,360 relationships with people on the in the Jewish community. 2799 02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:10,040 And then having to look at the fact that part of my family is 2800 02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:11,760 Jewish. And then I look at what happened 2801 02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:14,600 to the Palestinians and I have to I have to have empathy for 2802 02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:16,360 them And I. So I find myself in the middle 2803 02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:19,480 of this whole deal saying can we just be for humanity and can we 2804 02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:22,240 all have an effective voice where we're able to speak that 2805 02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:25,160 truth and it be heard. But unfortunately, that's not 2806 02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:27,120 the way it happens. And they've created an 2807 02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:30,920 environment where you're only allowed to think one way or see 2808 02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:32,440 it one way. Or they will write bad articles 2809 02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,400 about you, they'll put a Wikipedia page about you and 2810 02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,480 they will destroy your life and they will do anything and 2811 02:08:37,480 --> 02:08:39,000 everything they can to you. Because there is no 2812 02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,120 accountability. There's no instrument by which 2813 02:08:41,120 --> 02:08:44,160 you can go into a rotted apparatus of of the judiciary 2814 02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:46,480 and hold them accountable, but they can hold you accountable 2815 02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:49,640 and destroy your life and they get pushed through as if it's 2816 02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:54,640 just a a stream. So here's the heavy question, 2817 02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:56,640 then. Does America survive all of this 2818 02:08:56,840 --> 02:09:02,280 in your No, as a clairvoyant. Now until unless we can learn 2819 02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:15,960 density and the idea of my fear is that because of the because 2820 02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:20,360 of the limits that they have or I should say that they don't 2821 02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:28,120 have the hardest part about being in this fight and this is 2822 02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:33,920 a fight this war and it is a war is not becoming the very thing 2823 02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:37,320 that you're fighting against. But when you get to the point 2824 02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:43,000 where that it becomes an untenable environment, then it 2825 02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,720 only takes one spark in the middle of the forest. 2826 02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:51,400 And we are right now at a place where it is so hot, so hot. 2827 02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:55,560 And so we are. I tell people we have to do 2828 02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:57,120 those four things. We have to pray first. 2829 02:09:57,120 --> 02:09:59,600 We have to stand up. We have to speak. 2830 02:10:00,040 --> 02:10:02,920 We have to then act with the act in that faith. 2831 02:10:02,920 --> 02:10:05,240 James 226. Active faith without works is 2832 02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:07,280 dead. And and by the way, I tell 2833 02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:11,960 people that John 316 is not the most important 316 first, John 2834 02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:14,120 316 is more important than John 316. 2835 02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:19,800 You know what that says? Tell me that's I'm just 2836 02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:22,760 paraphrase it. Be prepared to lay down your 2837 02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:28,360 life in the service of others. Be prepared to sacrifice your 2838 02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:32,440 life for others. Other generations knew this. 2839 02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:36,440 Yeah, we've lost it. We've lost the, we've lost the 2840 02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:39,280 ability to understand what truthfulness is because they 2841 02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,480 would tell us that we can cut little boys penises off and that 2842 02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:44,520 becomes a girl. And we would let them tell us 2843 02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:46,800 that the border is closed when an actuality is open. 2844 02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:48,880 We allow them to rape and pillage. 2845 02:10:49,240 --> 02:10:50,560 And you have a daughter, correct? 2846 02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:51,560 I. Have 3. 2847 02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:53,920 OK, I'm going to ask you a question. 2848 02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:58,880 Option one, I know it's your it's your podcast and I'm asking 2849 02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:00,720 these questions. Here's my two. 2850 02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:02,880 Here's my two. You you can do one of these two 2851 02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:05,760 things. First is and you're gonna get 2852 02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,440 mad at me for saying this. I already know you're gonna get 2853 02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:10,040 mad at me for saying this, even if it's underneath rage. 2854 02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:11,640 I'm gonna ask you for forgiveness up front. 2855 02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:14,520 OK, but I have you on 2 screens. By the way. 2856 02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:15,640 Some people on back to the two screen. 2857 02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:20,360 I love it. Your daughters can be raped 2858 02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:21,920 every day for the rest of their life. 2859 02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:26,600 That's choice 1A. Choice two is you can do 2860 02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:28,920 something about it. And they only get raped once. 2861 02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:32,160 Choose. Yeah, my, you know my answer 2862 02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:34,200 already. I'm killing everybody that's 2863 02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:38,120 coming for it. Those those choices are not 2864 02:11:38,120 --> 02:11:39,640 acceptable. Yeah, not acceptable. 2865 02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:40,920 So we have to shift the paradigm. 2866 02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:43,560 We have to break out of it. And linear thinking says one 2867 02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:44,760 thing. These are your two options. 2868 02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:46,400 The answer is no, these are not my two options. 2869 02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:51,560 So interestingly and and I do think people are put between two 2870 02:11:51,560 --> 02:11:54,960 terrible positions, the position you ever read the the book 2871 02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:56,320 Ender's Game, you familiar with that one? 2872 02:11:57,280 --> 02:11:59,040 Put it on your list. Ender's Game is one of the 2873 02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:00,680 greats. It's a great sci-fi. 2874 02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:02,400 It's won every sci-fi award, but it tells it. 2875 02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:06,200 It tells incredible truths about human beings in leadership. 2876 02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:08,720 One of the great things that happens at the end of Andrew's 2877 02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:10,560 game, without giving away the whole story, is essentially 2878 02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:13,640 there's a lesson that is that is taught by human behavior, which 2879 02:12:13,640 --> 02:12:17,120 is that human beings act in self preservation and rationally in 2880 02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:20,440 every single human life is a value, and every single human 2881 02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:22,560 life should be protected and defended. 2882 02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:25,920 And that's something you can basically set your watch by. 2883 02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:29,200 The human beings will do what's best for them, for the 2884 02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:32,920 individual, right up until people start laying on grenades 2885 02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:35,880 and do the thing that is best for the society and their 2886 02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:40,440 brother and their fellow man. Laying down that life, like 2887 02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:43,720 right up into that is an unpredictable behavior, and it 2888 02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:47,320 happens at moments of extreme duress. 2889 02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:49,960 It happens at moments when we are pushed to an envelope that 2890 02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:52,840 nobody expects. The answer is 2 untenable 2891 02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:56,240 situations. We're going to run and maybe 2892 02:12:56,240 --> 02:12:58,520 none of us will ever walk again. We're going to lose our legs or, 2893 02:12:58,520 --> 02:13:01,480 you know, we're going to die. Or your body jumps on the 2894 02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:05,000 grenade or take or dive into a machine gun lesson, stop the 2895 02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:07,160 machine gunner but dies trying while doing so. 2896 02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:09,760 And it gives you enough time to get past and get behind it and 2897 02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:11,680 move on. You know all the things that we 2898 02:13:11,680 --> 02:13:15,080 see in these wartime theaters that are extraordinary acts of 2899 02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:16,720 valor. I It's real. 2900 02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:20,600 It's it's also like the most unpredictable thing. 2901 02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:23,320 If you looked at and you studied it as a mathematical system 2902 02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:25,360 where you said this is what happens and this is how it 2903 02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,040 works. If you were a penetrating 2904 02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:30,200 logical mind, you would say I set my watch based on exactly 2905 02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:34,120 one thing, based on years and years and multiple interactions 2906 02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:36,960 and and read the book and you'll see exactly how they set this up 2907 02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,040 right up until somebody does something that you cannot 2908 02:13:40,040 --> 02:13:41,960 fathom, something really sacrificial. 2909 02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:44,440 And and that's built into us too. 2910 02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:47,840 There's also the instinct to kill everything around us, the 2911 02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:50,680 genocidal switch, which happens in other places. 2912 02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:52,680 And you know there are instances of that happening. 2913 02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:57,000 So it can go both ways. It can go to self sacrifice or 2914 02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:59,840 it can go to, you know, horrific homicide. 2915 02:14:01,080 --> 02:14:04,360 And interestingly, I think that we are feeling that moment come 2916 02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:05,600 up. I don't know what it looks like, 2917 02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:07,840 but I'm remembering you said that these people pissed you 2918 02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:09,080 off. They write these horrible things 2919 02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:11,520 about you and they're, you know, people do and I have similar 2920 02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:14,280 experiences. I've seen my friends treated 2921 02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:18,000 poorly. I've got a buddy who's he's a 2922 02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:20,600 really brave guy. He's a special person I met in 2923 02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,320 the military and one of the things he always tells me he 2924 02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:24,680 gave me a couple life lessons. But one of them is whoever 2925 02:14:24,680 --> 02:14:28,600 angers you, owns you. And I try to remember that when 2926 02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:31,000 I'm pissed, when I'm online and people are writing shitty things 2927 02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:34,040 about me, because I bet you're like me. 2928 02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:37,880 I don't want anyone to own me. I'm not willing to give up my 2929 02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:41,080 sovereignty or my agency. Like you don't get to decide 2930 02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:43,520 what I'm going to do. So if you're mad, if you're 2931 02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:45,600 making me mad, I also have a role in that. 2932 02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:49,080 And that my role is that I chose to read it and then emotionally 2933 02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:51,160 react and then act on that in a bad way. 2934 02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:56,560 Or I can just absorb it and try to turn it back around. 2935 02:14:56,560 --> 02:15:00,280 Like, how do I do judo with my own mind, which is redirecting 2936 02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:01,040 that entry. How do I do that? 2937 02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:03,600 Jiu jitsu move right the the, the takedown. 2938 02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:06,880 How do I take your energy and just go like, Nope, I'm going to 2939 02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:09,360 turn into a big old hug buddy. You can't take me. 2940 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,600 I'm sneaking behind there. We're going to have a little nap 2941 02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:13,160 together. We're going to sink one in here 2942 02:15:13,400 --> 02:15:15,600 and do the karate joke. I don't, I don't know how it 2943 02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:17,920 always works, and I definitely fail at it, but I feel like 2944 02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:19,000 that's what we're actually called. 2945 02:15:19,200 --> 02:15:21,640 Maybe you feel the same. No, it's really funny you say 2946 02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:24,960 that because that's that's the hardest thing for me is my 2947 02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:28,200 strength is my strength. And I just, I tell people, you 2948 02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:30,800 want to come at me, come at me. I mean, come on. 2949 02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:34,400 And and I guess I'm inviting what I don't want, like, I don't 2950 02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:35,800 want violence. I don't want it. 2951 02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:38,680 I'm ready for it, though. And so I'm just like, let's just 2952 02:15:38,680 --> 02:15:40,160 get it over with. Like I just want to get to that 2953 02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:42,520 place where I'm like, I know these people are weak. 2954 02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:46,200 I know that Americans are stronger, more resilient, more 2955 02:15:46,200 --> 02:15:47,640 courageous than what they're showing us. 2956 02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:50,320 But they keep telling us you have choice one and choice two 2957 02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:53,080 and we keep taking them. We keep taking those choices. 2958 02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:56,520 There is a choice three. There is. 2959 02:15:57,400 --> 02:15:59,320 You just have to own it. You have to be willing to make 2960 02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:02,240 those selfless sacrifices. And I just believe that if we 2961 02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:04,160 can get to that place where we're going to stand together 2962 02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:06,320 and have those conversations and build a fraternity and talk 2963 02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:09,000 about what's best, even if it if we even if I have to give up 2964 02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:11,920 everything, even if I got to put all my chips in the middle and 2965 02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:14,760 it means I eat ramen noodles for the rest of my life, at least I 2966 02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,360 will have my dignity and the thing that God judges you by, 2967 02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:19,480 which is character. The rest doesn't matter. 2968 02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:24,680 Yeah, it's hard. I think more people want that 2969 02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:26,840 than not given the opportunity, but most people are. 2970 02:16:26,840 --> 02:16:30,880 So it it takes them two hours just like we just did. 2971 02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,440 It takes them two hours to, it takes them two hours to get to 2972 02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:36,280 that spot of of softening each other of it. 2973 02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:38,480 You know, whether like a boxing match or anything else, like it 2974 02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:40,440 takes a long time to get to know what your enemy is about. 2975 02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:42,639 And at the end of it, and this is the other brilliant lesson, 2976 02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,719 which is incredibly difficult for most people the minute that 2977 02:16:45,719 --> 02:16:48,000 you actually understand your enemy, this is an Ender's Game 2978 02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:49,559 piece. Again, this is stuff that I 2979 02:16:49,559 --> 02:16:51,879 learned when I was in, like, I was a little kid, and then I 2980 02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:54,920 studied it again as a theology text when I was a sophomore or a 2981 02:16:54,920 --> 02:16:57,240 junior in college. But the minute that you actually 2982 02:16:57,240 --> 02:17:00,639 understand your enemy is, and the only way to really beat the 2983 02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:02,559 enemy is to actually understand them, the way they understand 2984 02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:04,639 themselves, which means that you love them the way that they love 2985 02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:09,000 themselves. So that's an incredibly strong 2986 02:17:09,080 --> 02:17:11,360 Christian message. It's also really, really 2987 02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:13,840 difficult to do. Like what's harder than knowing 2988 02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,240 when when when we're told to, like, love our enemies, it's 2989 02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:18,240 because you have to understand your enemy the way they 2990 02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:21,160 understand themself and then love the things about themselves 2991 02:17:21,160 --> 02:17:22,799 that they love. Because it's like it's easy to 2992 02:17:22,799 --> 02:17:24,240 find the things we hate. We see those right away we're 2993 02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:26,480 like, Oh yeah, I hate your face. I hate your hair. 2994 02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:29,559 I don't like your jacket. You know I hate the way you did 2995 02:17:29,559 --> 02:17:31,600 this. I like the way you chew whatever 2996 02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:32,920 those things are. We all see those things 2997 02:17:32,920 --> 02:17:34,400 everywhere. Those are those are right on the 2998 02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:37,400 surface. It's the the human contact that 2999 02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:40,280 we have that's man. It takes forever. 3000 02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:42,520 It's a lifelong challenge for all of us anyway. 3001 02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:44,080 For those of you like I'm just like you. 3002 02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:46,840 I'm like, I can see it and I'm and my strength is my strength. 3003 02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:50,240 And my rage burns pretty bright. Like, that's the secret. 3004 02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:51,719 Just like the Hulk, right? We're always angry. 3005 02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:55,200 Yeah, just just just give me a chance to pull the trigger. 3006 02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:56,080 It's already been pulled. You. 3007 02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:59,760 Just don't put me there. Don't put me in the place where 3008 02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:02,840 I have to become the Hulk. But if you get me there, I'm 3009 02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:04,160 ready for it. I'm ready for. 3010 02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:05,600 It yeah. And that's not going to save 3011 02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:07,600 this country, I don't think. No, it's not. 3012 02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:09,400 I will, I will tell you right now it's not. 3013 02:18:09,799 --> 02:18:11,920 And that's the one thing I'm trying to peel myself back from, 3014 02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:15,840 is that how do I, how do I use all the those the gifts? 3015 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:19,480 Because it really is a gift, but my life has been like one big 3016 02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:25,200 holy shit, right? It's like, all right, here, you 3017 02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:26,760 see this? OK. 3018 02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:31,639 This is what drives me. You can't see this. 3019 02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:36,520 Dented primer. Yeah, OK, so this is back. 3020 02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:40,959 Before I knew that full ball rounds were not good. 3021 02:18:40,959 --> 02:18:44,160 You should never shoot those in your, like, for self-defense. 3022 02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:45,520 It's really bad. It goes through pretty much 3023 02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:47,840 everything. So we shoot through a house, 3024 02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:49,760 it's going to go through two other houses before it stops. 3025 02:18:52,320 --> 02:18:56,080 So I got to that point where I was defined by money. 3026 02:18:56,760 --> 02:19:01,200 I was guilty of the way that I live my life and I just decided 3027 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:02,959 that I didn't want to live my life that way anymore. 3028 02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:04,520 But I didn't want my kids to be poor. 3029 02:19:05,080 --> 02:19:08,280 So I equated all the things that I have in my life that were good 3030 02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:11,200 to money and I left out everything else. 3031 02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:14,480 This is after Jesus. This is after. 3032 02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:18,240 This is literally like, I'm like, I'm committed my life to 3033 02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,040 Jesus. I'm like, but now I think to 3034 02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:22,760 myself, I'm going to do the morally right thing to do. 3035 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:27,719 I'm going to take my life. I have a life insurance policy 3036 02:19:27,719 --> 02:19:29,520 and I'm going to turn that over to my kids. 3037 02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:31,040 I'm going to write my kids letters. 3038 02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:32,680 I'm going to leave behind a legacy. 3039 02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:34,840 They're going to do really well. I haven't pictured my mind. 3040 02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:36,799 They're going to go to school. They're going to do great 3041 02:19:36,799 --> 02:19:44,240 things. So I I sent my wife out to get 3042 02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:46,639 her nails done, laid down, plastic called. 3043 02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:50,920 My friend said don't let her back in the house and it's been 3044 02:19:50,920 --> 02:19:54,200 a great life. I sat there and I loaded my gun 3045 02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:56,560 and I put the gun in my head and I pulled the trigger. 3046 02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:06,360 That's the bullet that has been on my desk and everybody that my 3047 02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:08,320 my partner's been with me for 12 years. 3048 02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:13,580 He. He, my business partner and Co 3049 02:20:13,580 --> 02:20:17,400 founder, I when I first got in there, he picked it up and he's 3050 02:20:17,400 --> 02:20:19,760 like what what is this? And I go, this is, this is my 3051 02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:23,080 why I'm on borrowed time doesn't really matter to me. 3052 02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:25,080 I just want to do something different. 3053 02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:28,080 I want to make sure that this matter, this that that, this, 3054 02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:33,560 that that that I didn't make this go somewhere that I've been 3055 02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:36,200 given a chance to do something because I wasn't done. 3056 02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:42,840 So anyway. Tavi there's AI mean, I feel 3057 02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:46,400 like it's Hollywood, but Denzel Washington has a moment in that 3058 02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:48,640 Man on Fire movie. Same story. 3059 02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:50,720 You know what he says? He says a bullet always tells 3060 02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:53,520 the truth. I don't know if that's true or 3061 02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:55,560 not, but you know what it tells you. 3062 02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:58,040 You're not you're not done yet. So maybe they're right. 3063 02:20:58,560 --> 02:20:59,880 I don't. I don't think you're the only 3064 02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:01,360 person that's ever had that experience. 3065 02:21:01,800 --> 02:21:04,320 No, I'm not. I'm not. 3066 02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:06,000 It doesn't make me special. It just makes my. 3067 02:21:06,440 --> 02:21:08,920 It it's a pretty small fraternity of folks, though, I I 3068 02:21:08,920 --> 02:21:12,920 imagine so. Yeah, I bawled like a baby. 3069 02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:16,960 Literally all the things come through your head of what you 3070 02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:20,560 were going to leave behind. Yeah, I I believe there's 3071 02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:22,480 something to those people that have survived jumping off the 3072 02:21:22,480 --> 02:21:24,720 San Francisco Bridge. Did they get halfway down? 3073 02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:27,880 And they're like, why did I do this? 3074 02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:31,440 That was dumb. It's a permanent solution to a 3075 02:21:31,480 --> 02:21:34,800 temporary problem. Yeah, so. 3076 02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:37,480 And then I went on to do great things and been blessed 3077 02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:39,840 immensely. My life has been freaking 3078 02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,200 amazing. It's a heavy. 3079 02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:42,800 That's a heavy. There's there's nowhere we can 3080 02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,640 go from that, Joe. That is that's the deepest 3081 02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,480 moment you can share. So I I do appreciate you sharing 3082 02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:51,080 it and it's intense. If people want to, yeah, people 3083 02:21:51,080 --> 02:21:52,240 are going to want to hear more about it. 3084 02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:54,520 Where can where can people listen to the podcast. 3085 02:21:54,520 --> 02:21:56,000 I think I've got it up here on a on a thing. 3086 02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:57,480 Is this the best? What's the best way to listen to 3087 02:21:57,480 --> 02:21:59,120 the podcast for you? I'll show. 3088 02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:02,880 Some screen Yeah, Conservative daily podcast We're on Rumble. 3089 02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:05,480 You can reach us on Is That Rumble. 3090 02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:09,720 I got Rumble up, I've got Conservative Dash, daily.com and 3091 02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:13,840 then we've got Your True Social, which is just that at Joe Altman 3092 02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:18,640 2 ends on the End of the Mann. Yeah, so that's where you can 3093 02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:20,640 find me. And you know, I do a podcast 3094 02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:23,440 every morning at 10:00 and it's on Frank's speech as well. 3095 02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:25,280 So we're, you know, we're trying to do some great things on 3096 02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:27,400 Frank's speech. We built up a bunch of things on 3097 02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:30,640 Frank's speech that have been really awesome and hoping to get 3098 02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:35,400 you on there at some point. I already told you, like if 3099 02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:36,880 there's a person that's going to replace Tucker. 3100 02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:40,080 I thought it was you, right? And not that Tucker needs to be 3101 02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:41,400 replaced, but you know what I mean. 3102 02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:45,040 Just a thought leader understands thing, reads humble 3103 02:22:45,560 --> 02:22:46,800 like family. Man, I got. 3104 02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:50,360 To work on that reading, I got to work on that reading piece. 3105 02:22:50,360 --> 02:22:51,600 What are? You talking about you told me 3106 02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:52,760 about books that I hadn't read yet. 3107 02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:56,680 I'm coasting on borrowed time. I'm still, I'm still treading 3108 02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:59,080 water right now I got to get back to reading, but that's very 3109 02:22:59,080 --> 02:23:00,280 kind. It's a very thoughtful thing. 3110 02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:03,760 And yeah, we're not, you know, we're going to continue having 3111 02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:06,400 these conversations. What what's the, what is the, 3112 02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:08,200 the theme that runs through your podcast? 3113 02:23:08,200 --> 02:23:10,800 If people are going to sit there and say This is why I'm going to 3114 02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:12,320 jump in and listen to Joe in the morning, what does it? 3115 02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:14,800 What does it sound like? Well, today I had George 3116 02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:17,000 Papadopoulos on where he was talking about what happened to 3117 02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,720 him in 2017. I'm kind of, you know, for a 3118 02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:21,960 long time I talked about election fraud, election fraud, 3119 02:23:21,960 --> 02:23:23,840 election fraud, election fraud, like a dog with a bone. 3120 02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:26,360 Now I'm just trying to work on the problem. 3121 02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:28,440 How do we work the problem? How do we bring people together? 3122 02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:33,360 I'm also the guy that'll have you know I I mentor incarcerated 3123 02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:37,520 men. So I have I I had one on the 3124 02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,280 show that's completely totally different. 3125 02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:43,640 Gang member served 1010 years or seven years of a of a 15 year 3126 02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:47,320 sentence and I'm trying to mentor him back into society 3127 02:23:47,320 --> 02:23:48,600 where that's not a scarlet letter. 3128 02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:51,080 So I had him on the show. So I do a lot of crazy stuff. 3129 02:23:51,080 --> 02:23:54,000 I just whoever I decide I want to put on, I put on and 3130 02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,720 whatever's happening I'll I'll talk about those things. 3131 02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:59,360 But I think the the the overarching theme is 3132 02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:02,240 restoration. We we finish every podcast with 3133 02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:06,040 a prayer and you know I'm a fiery guy so I'm I'm not afraid 3134 02:24:06,040 --> 02:24:09,520 to bring the heat and tell the truth and sometimes I wish I'd I 3135 02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:12,480 brought a little less heat. So I've been trying to practice 3136 02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:14,840 that, but yeah. You're going to be you either 3137 02:24:14,840 --> 02:24:16,640 way, Joe. You're a good man. 3138 02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:19,640 Thank you for spending these last what two hours and change 3139 02:24:19,640 --> 02:24:20,960 with me and sharing that with the audience. 3140 02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:23,120 Yeah. No. 3141 02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,160 We'll transcribe it. We'll we'll ask questions later. 3142 02:24:25,160 --> 02:24:26,960 We'll have your we'll we'll serve your turn. 3143 02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:30,400 All right buddy. Hey thanks for thanks for 3144 02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:32,160 spending the time. We'll do it on yours podcast 3145 02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:33,240 next. It was about time we had to 3146 02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:34,880 catch up on I've been I've done a couple on yours. 3147 02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:36,840 So I know that we need to come and do it over here. 3148 02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:38,440 It's. Great to see you brother all. 3149 02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:43,320 Right buddy, we'll talk soon. And you have been listening to 3150 02:24:43,320 --> 02:24:46,480 The Kyle Serafin Show. Are we the number one podcast in 3151 02:24:46,480 --> 02:24:47,840 America? I don't know, but we have got 3152 02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:49,880 some of the best conversations with some of the nicest people. 3153 02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:51,880 Hope you guys appreciated today's conversation. 3154 02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:55,000 If you did, you want to support the people who are in the fight 3155 02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:56,880 for faith and family and for freedom who are doing the right 3156 02:24:56,880 --> 02:24:58,040 thing. You guys can go to the 3157 02:24:58,040 --> 02:25:01,800 Suspendables merch store and support my buddy Garrett 3158 02:25:01,800 --> 02:25:04,400 o'boyle, his family, the o'boyle family sweatshop turning out 3159 02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:06,160 fantastic merch. I'm wearing one today. 3160 02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:10,520 This is a last line in green for all of your military friends 3161 02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:13,320 that want to show that they are last line strong. 3162 02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:16,640 You guys can go to the dashsuspendables.com. 3163 02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:18,920 Again, the Dash suspendables.com. 3164 02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:21,200 Use the promo code Kyle. You'll save a couple of bucks 3165 02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:23,000 and you can order out the T-shirt. 3166 02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:24,920 You can order up the hoodies, you can order up the pins. 3167 02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:26,400 You've got these sweet PVC patches. 3168 02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:28,520 I just got some shooter shirts coming in for those. 3169 02:25:28,520 --> 02:25:30,200 You do range days. You want to put something 3170 02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:31,800 suspendables on there? Check them out. 3171 02:25:31,800 --> 02:25:33,480 And I think Garrett told me if you buy three of them, you get 3172 02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:35,440 one free. So pick out the colors you like. 3173 02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:37,840 I'm a fan of the darker, the more subdued colors. 3174 02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:39,360 Check those out. And then of course you can 3175 02:25:39,360 --> 02:25:41,800 always get these. If you're speaking at an event 3176 02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:44,040 like I'm going to be doing, you're going to want a lapel pin 3177 02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:46,680 on your blazer on your jacket. If you're a lady and you want to 3178 02:25:46,680 --> 02:25:48,800 wear a suspendables piece in a formal wear, you can put it on a 3179 02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:50,680 dress. We've seen Sonia La Bosca do 3180 02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:51,560 that. Just go to 3181 02:25:51,560 --> 02:25:53,720 thedashsuspendables.com. The promo code. 3182 02:25:53,720 --> 02:25:55,360 Kyle, you can add three of these. 3183 02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:57,400 You'll get 3 for 30 bucks. They ship free. 3184 02:25:57,640 --> 02:25:59,360 That's not a bad deal at all. These are really good looking 3185 02:25:59,360 --> 02:26:02,200 pins and you will get questions. You will get eyeballs everywhere 3186 02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:03,680 you go. When you do support the the 3187 02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:05,480 family there. We appreciate you guys looking 3188 02:26:05,480 --> 02:26:08,120 at the Kyle Serafin Show today. We'll see you again tomorrow. 3189 02:26:08,120 --> 02:26:10,120 Have a great rest of your day. God bless you. 3190 02:26:10,120 --> 02:26:13,680 Be safe, and I hope that hits you right. 3191 02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:15,920 I think we can save this country. 3192 02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:18,280 It's going to take a lot of selflessness and I look forward 3193 02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:20,040 to doing it with you. Thanks for listening to The Kyle 3194 02:26:20,040 --> 02:26:24,000 Serafin Show streamed live weekdays on rumble.com/kyle 3195 02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:26,240 Serafin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, True 3196 02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:29,600 Social, and Instagram at Kyle Serafin.