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Prepared to hear the truth from 
a real whistleblower and 

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American patriot? 
Here's civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and indefinitely 

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suspended FBI agent Kyle 
Serafin. 

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Hey, it's producer Phil for the 
Kyle Seraphin show. 

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Kyle will be back on Monday with
another long form interview with

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a retired agent who the FBI also
tried to destroy. 

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In the meantime, we have another
great interview lined up for 

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you. 
Kyle went on with his dad 

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Charlie Seraphin on Kmog out 
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Before we get started, consider 
checking out the link below, 

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helping out FBI whistleblowers, 
giving them your support and 

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prayers. 
They're going through a lot 

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these days, especially before 
the holidays, and they could 

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really use any pick me up that 
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Thanks for considering that. 
Now let's get to the show. 

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My guest this morning is my son,
Kyle. 

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Kyle Seraphin. 
Good morning, Kyle. 

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Good morning. 
How's it going, Dad? 

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Oh, pretty good. 
And where were you born, Kyle? 

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I was born in Berkeley, CA. 
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place to be born for a person 
who is a we're going to talk 

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about your status with the FBI, 
but but probably not that many 

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born in Berkeley were there. 
I don't know. 

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FBI agents, yeah, hard to say. 
I I haven't done any polling. 

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OK. 
And and then you had a kind of a

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circuitous route before you 
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You've been quite a few places 
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You moved a lot. 
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I think I took after my dad, I 
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I told my wife she married a 
tumbleweed. 

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So I, yeah, I got out of 
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and I worked for a furniture 
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working at a radio station doing
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and did that for a little while.
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and I ran a restaurant. 
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I was kind of like a homeless 
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job and got hired on by a movie 
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for Warner Brothers. 
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military because I was looking 
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which is really where kind of my
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four years in the Air Force and 
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Texas like you do, got married 
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the FBI and then sent to DC. 
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some time in the swamp, I guess,
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be. 
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joined the military and you told
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teenager, when I didn't know 
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Yeah, that's true. 
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when I was a kid because I was a
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amphibious type of guy. 
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the, the SEAL teams were kind of
calling my name. 

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I ended up going a different 
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combat diver and still became a,
you know, a frogman type of, you

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know, trained military 
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So it was something I thought 
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There wasn't really a family 
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thing in our in our house. 
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But as a somewhat grown up, I've
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I was Speaking of family 
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There are a lot of people. 
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for a number of months now, and 
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private individual. 
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Did you grow up in a political 
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No, I don't think I did. 
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Do you ever? 
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in the front yard? 
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parents attending a political 
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I'm fairly confident they did 
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when I was a kid. 
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right now, but you know, in the 
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growing up, it was one of those 
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talk about politics, you didn't 
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you didn't talk about your 
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maybe you and your spouse had 
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But I never heard it as a kid. 
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grown-ups talking about it 
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Do you? 
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industry that he had a lot of 
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I heard you threw a drink on Dan
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on Dianne Feinstein, but and 
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Bush and all that. 
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was around people who had a 
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wasn't really a part of our our 
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the, the note that there were 
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people that were of note, but 
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opinion one where about them. 
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was interesting to go and talk 
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House, but I don't remember 
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the president and I didn't know 
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just wasn't the way that we were
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So if people wanted to cast you 
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everybody kind of has weighed in
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but the things that I've come 
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political. 
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centrist. 
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has shifted so far to the left 
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the right center of things 
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White House lit up with, with a 
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that's kind of wild for 
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eight years ago would have been 
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So everybody is kind of pulled 
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it's not something that I've 
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willingly all. 
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Good morning. 
Welcome to the forum. 

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Who's on the line? 
Hi. 

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Who's Chris? 
Hi, Chris. 

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Hi Kyle, wow, you've already 
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your father has a wonderful show
that I listen to regularly 

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sharing pace. 
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myself a kindred spirit. 
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had a successful career 
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Now, as a citizen, I have a 
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Do you find yourself 
disheartened by what I would 

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call a little bit of a haywire 
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And I'll give a real quick 
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I have to go to California today
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identification card for my 
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He's a second generation 
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residency, and I also have in 
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Governor of California dated 
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saying anybody gets a California
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Regardless of status or 
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Yet now I have to travel with 
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Do you find that a little bit 
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go along with the flow and just 
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Well. 
Chris, first, thanks for your 

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service. 
I'm appreciative of all Marines.

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Some of my best buddies are 
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love for the Marine Corps. 
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you're living in that kind of 
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seeing where there are certain 
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people in this country. 
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pay the taxes and the people who
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And, and I'm not saying it's the
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I'm just saying that something 
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paychecks or your pensions and 
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government and the government 
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And I include myself in that 
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It's like there are certain, 
there are certain expectations 

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that providing documentation for
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What, what is the purpose of ID 
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that you are the person that is 
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And yet we're seeing things like
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border and they're getting 
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and they're being moved in. 
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they shouldn't be doing that. 
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bucking that trend. 
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haywire. 
It feels like it's by design. 

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It doesn't feel good. 
I don't, I feel as you do. 

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I'm, I'm troubled by a lot of 
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And I think we're unwittingly 
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Well, thank you. 
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emphasize the point that you've 
actually made me feel a lot 

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better than I did a couple hours
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this because I know that there 
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are trying to maintain the 
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And I consider yourself to be 
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And we do have Quantico, 
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relationship. 
So thanks again, Kyle, and I'll 

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hang up and let another caller. 
Thank you, Chris. 

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Appreciate your call this 
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I had actually forgotten that. 
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training facility at Quantico, 
it's a Marine base and the FBI 

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training facility. 
That's right. 

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It's actually home to the basic 
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Marine Corps officers go and get
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training. 
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when you're an FBI trainee 
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to see some poor SAP who's in 
his early 20s, who's got a heavy

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pack on and looks like he's 
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through the swamp that is 
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Virginia area, just lost with a 
map and trying to make it to his

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next point. 
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So you were a little late 
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You enlisted kind of just under 
the wire. 

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Yeah, I think the age limit was 
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when I went in, so I was right 
at the edge. 

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I was the oldest guy in my basic
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And how was that you were with a
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you went in initially? 
And 17 year olds, even, you 

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know, the guys that are, they 
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run off and, and join the 
military and try to do something

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great with their life. 
And yeah, it's, it's weird to 

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have a decade worth of life 
experience on your, on your 

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fellow, you know, equal rank, 
equal pay, but they don't know 

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anything. 
They're 17 years old, They're 

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going to marry the 1st girl that
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They're going to marry a girl 
they met over the weekend 

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because she was the one. 
And you know, it's, it's funny. 

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I mean, it's a, it's a fun life 
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call you grandpa at 28 years 
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That's not what normal people 
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That's a military thing. 
That's that's only done there I 

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think. 
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that the Air Force has its own 
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We hear a lot about the Navy 
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They're the probably the most, 
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Rangers. 
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through the various disciplines 
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But tell us about the Air Force 
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The Air Force has a special 
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It's under Air Force Special 
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up to a group that's called US 
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General Military Special 
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And that's going to include 
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going to include your your Army 
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the 75th Ranger Battalion is the
Light Infantry version that goes

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in there. 
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on it. 
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that is sometimes I've got a 
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It's the pair rescue man, which 
got very famous in Vietnam for 

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rescuing a lot of helicopter 
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were behind enemy lines or in in
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They're a special operations 
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joint recovery mission and, you 
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attach to any of the other team.
So, you know, when I was going 

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through, I, I trained to be a 
pair of a rescue man at the, the

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end of my career, my, my short 
four years. 

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And so you become a paramedic, A
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that, that operates out of a 
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backpack, you know, sustaining 
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96 hours in the worst case 
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And then there's another kind of
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bigger in the global war on 
terrorism, which is the combat 

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control teams. 
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as well. 
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of team Seals and other direct 
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and so on. 
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joint terminal attack 
controllers. 

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So they are the types of guys 
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Force planes. 
They're all trained as air 

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traffic controllers. 
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enough, I went through most of 
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So I'm an air traffic controller
amongst my other weird set of 

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skills. 
But they can talk to all the 

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planes in the sky, they can 
deconflict with drones, and they

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can drop ordinance up to danger 
close areas. 

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And they do with a high degree 
of precision because that's the 

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specificity of their training. 
And it's a, you know, a force 

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multiplier. 
And, and in the global war on 

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terrorism, they were the 
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powerful weapon on the 
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controlling F fifteens, F 
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bringing in really, really heavy
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forward environment. 
So that's it's kind of a special

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little skill set. 
When you went into the ground 

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traffic control unit, I 
expressed some concern to you 

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and you said, oh, you don't have
to worry and and why? 

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I don't remember telling you I 
have to worry. 

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I just knew it was what I signed
up to do. 

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Said I'll be I'll be surrounded 
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That's because, yeah, that's 
because the unit that that 

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surrounds the ground combat 
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all the precision marksmen and 
and soldiers and warriors. 

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So I mean, if you think about 
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out with a, you know, military 
special forces team, as you look

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at what the Army puts on there, 
they've got, you know, weapon 

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specialist in the Bravos, 
they've got explosives and demo 

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and building specialist in the 
Charlies. 

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They've got a real specific 
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The guys that do direct action, 
their shooters, their killers, 

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there's no doubt about it. 
But there's interesting stories 

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that come out of that, you know,
Afghanistan and Iraq where you 

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had these guys that were forward
air controllers that are, you 

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know, joint terminal attack 
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And, you know, I've read their 
their stories where they were in

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the middle of talking aircraft 
onto the enemy targets, which 

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were very, very close. 
And guys were literally throwing

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their bodies in front of these 
men. 

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Because when you lose the radio 
comms with the, with the, you 

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know, the error support that's 
above you, that's the end of it 

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for some of these guys that are 
in contact, you know, engaging 

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an enemy actively. 
And so people there are the 

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stories are incredibly heroic 
stories of special operators 

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that were making human blockades
with their own bodies to make 

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sure that the guy that's on the 
radio, some of them whom had 

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already been shot. 
You know, there's a, there's a 

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guy named Rudy Gutierrez, who I 
met, who was shot through and 

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through in the lungs and was 
doing needle decompressions on 

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his own body while talking on 
the radio to the aircraft and 

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bringing in this close air 
support. 

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And the, the pilot said 
afterwards in the commendation 

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that they didn't even know that 
he'd been shot. 

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They had no idea he was calm. 
He was collected. 

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And, and meanwhile, he's got 
like a round that's gone through

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his lungs and it's deflating 
his, you know, the left side of 

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his lung. 
And he's over there dropping 

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this needle in doing what needed
to be done, speaking calmly and 

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giving the pilots the 
information 10 digit grid so 

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that they could lock in and put 
ordinance on the bad guys, 

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saving the team. 
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he was, he was dying. 
He was, you know, slowly dying 

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away as he was bleeding 
internally. 

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oxygen out of one side of his 

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his chest cavity. 
Weapons and explosives. 

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I have told people many times on
this program that I grew up 

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hunting as a kid in rural 
northern Wisconsin and went bird

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hunting and deer hunting and 
whatnot. 

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But we weren't really a weapons 
type of family. 

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We didn't have a gun case per SE
at home when you kids are 

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growing up, right? 
And then explosives. 

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I know nothing about explosives.
I know I, I carried a box of 

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dynamite one time for a guy that
was building a little lake, but 

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that was kind of silly. 
But tell us about weapons and 

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explosives. 
You have a passion for both. 

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I do. 
So I would say that when it 

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comes to small arms weapons, you
know, I started buying them when

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I was old enough to buy them. 
That's 21 years old. 

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I bought my first handguns. 
I've bought a gun every year, 

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every cents or more. 
I've, I was recently friends 

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with a guy who's a federally 
licensed firearm dealer in, in 

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New Mexico and the ATF does 
these sort of like spot surprise

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annual raids. 
They're supposed to be a 

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surprise, but some reason 
happens every year to the home 

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guys. 
And so he was the one that was 

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receiving all my guns. 
And when ATF went through his 

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records, they only flagged one 
name in the records and it was 

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mine. 
And they asked the dealer, you 

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know, like, what's with this 
guy? 

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How come he's on your books 
every week? 

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Because I was buying a gun every
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And not cheap ones, by the way. 
So I spent a fair amount of my 

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income on that kind of thing. 
And he said, oh, he's OK. 

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You know, he's a fed, He's not 
a, he's not a problem. 

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And then when it comes to 
explosives, I, I obviously don't

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deal with them in the civilian 
life. 

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That's not a thing that I deal 
with. 

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But I would say that playing 
with explosives, learning how to

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use explosives is one of the 
purest ways that you can apply 

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the principles of physics. 
And so as a cerebral type of 

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creature, I always found that 
Det cord and C4 and dynamite and

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it's, it's almost the cleanest 
way that you can execute pure 

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physics because it's so fast. 
And you're talking about high 

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explosives going at 20 to 25,000
feet per second. 

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They almost neglect things like 
friction and, and the air that 

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would otherwise slow down 
action. 

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So you can simultaneously do a 
cut and half a second later do a

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push charge and knock over a 
tree exactly where you want it 

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to go. 
And if you know how the physics 

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are supposed to work in a pure 
sort of, you know, diagram, you 

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can almost overcome all the sort
of adversaries that you'd have 

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that are in the normal 
environment. 

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So it's really, it's fun. 
It's simple theoretical physics.

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Anybody who's ever blown 
anything up knows that there's 

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AP at the bottom of the 
equation. 

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P is for plenty. 
That's what they always joke. 

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That means you always use more 
explosives than you think you 

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should, so that's fun too. 
You got in trouble one time when

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you were a kid. 
I'm I'm just flashing back on 

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this now. 
You created a kind of an 

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explosive devices that brought 
the fire department to our 

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house. 
You want to tell that story? 

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Sure. 
I got I got interested in model 

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rockets. 
I had an older brother, my my 

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brother Thor was into sending 
model rockets. 

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I think he bought me the first 
kit. 

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And you could buy these 
different, you know, hobby 

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rocket launching type things. 
And so everybody basically sets 

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up a little launchpad and they 
put the little igniter in there 

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and you get different categories
of engines. 

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There's Alpha and Bravo and 
Charlie and Delta class engines 

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and then you send like the 
actual kit, which is kind of a 

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cardboard tube and A and a 
plastic nose cone with a little,

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you know, explosive charts that 
goes forward and it sends out a 

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little parachute and then you 
land it. 

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You can go do that the soccer 
field and go catch them or they 

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go fly around in the wind or 
whatever. 

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But that wasn't good enough for 
me. 

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I, I had found a like a, a 
wooden dowel, A hardwood dowel 

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and I sharpened that sucker down
on a, on some kind of like a 

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belt Sander that you had that 
probably wasn't designed for 

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that sort of work. 
And, and I remember thinking, I 

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need to harden this thing up. 
So I flame hardened it, you 

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know, like on an open torch or 
something and shoved that into 

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APVC pipe. 
And then I got twice the amount 

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of rockets that I thought I 
needed and shoved that sucker 

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into the, the, the butt end of 
it and built my own, you know, 

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little cut steel fins sent that 
sucker out full of some kind of 

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explosive powder, at least what 
I believe would be explosive, 

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which it did. 
It had like a little bomb in 

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the, in the sky and kind of sent
this thing off. 

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And then the damn thing went 
flying down and it, it 

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penetrated something like 6 
inches of gravel from a high 

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altitude, probably 15-18 hundred
feet, and went into the road, 

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which I didn't realize was back 
there 'cause my understanding of

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mass was much lower at the time.
So some lady thought the 

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Russians were bombing us and 
called the fire department. 

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Of course they get there. 
There's this smoking rocket 

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that's sitting there that's got 
some, you know, explosive 

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soaked. 
I don't know what it was, paper 

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towels or something like that, 
that all burned up. 

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And you know, they came, brought
the bomb squad to our house, 

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which is good. 
Yeah, Speaking of the bomb 

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squad, you had an opportunity at
one point in your training to 

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get to where that funny bomb 
squad kind of thing that we see 

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in the movies where the guy is 
all like the Doughboy. 

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He's got all that puffy stuff. 
Tell us about that one. 

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It's heavy number one, It's 
cumbersome and it's awkward. 

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And what was funny is, and so I 
did this as an FBI agent, I was 

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trying out to go on there what 
they call the special agent bomb

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techs, the SABT teams. 
Yeah, and why? 

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Why exactly did you want to do 
that? 

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I don't know, I just it's, it's 
an interesting cerebral 

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exercise. 
There's a lot of, you know, 

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studying. 
There's a lot of interesting at 

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post blast analysis. 
I'm interested in explosives in 

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general, right. 
So being able to apply that to 

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an investigation sounded like a 
cool thing. 

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Not everybody gets a chance to 
do it. 

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So they do this try out where 
you throw on the, you know, the 

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bomb suit and they bulge you 
into the to the helmet and all 

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that kind of thing. 
And the lady told me, you know, 

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be real. 
You know, we want you to freak 

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out if you, if you panic, just 
raise your hands and we'll let 

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you out of here. 
And I thought, like, lady, I've 

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been in the dark upside down 
and, you know, 100 feet 

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underwater and pitched, you 
know, pitch black. 

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I'm going to be all right in a 
bomb suit where I'm standing in 

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a in a garage. 
But they had you run around and 

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you know, the tryout was running
around and using basic hand 

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tools and, and electrical tools,
you know, drill gun and things 

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like that. 
And you know, an impact driver 

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to be able to open and close 
cases and set up a deal where 

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you put up a, a little X-ray set
up and you can see what's in the

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thing and run back and then set 
up a shotgun that's going to go 

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and do an automated blast and 
detonate it and whatever else. 

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And it was fun. 
I mean, it was like a 2030 

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minute little exercise running 
around in a suit that probably 

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weighs somewhere between 25 and 
50 lbs. 

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I don't know what exactly, but 
it's real cumbersome. 

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I mean, it's like being in a in 
a sumo suit. 

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So I'm going there's, I'm 
actually going somewhere with 

450
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,120
all of this. 
I'm going, I'm kind of walking 

451
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:54,600
you through it, but it's in an 
indirect. 

452
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,320
We're going to go backwards now.
We're going to go back into the 

453
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560
Air Force again. 
And yeah, you attended something

454
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,560
called Sears School. 
What's that? 

455
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,840
So there's two. 
Two categories of Sears school. 

456
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,440
I went to the second one, which 
was the easier of the two, was 

457
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,760
one of the goofiest days of my 
life. 

458
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,640
It's it's called water egress. 
So it's a all Sears schools are 

459
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,560
survival evasion resistance. 
I may have missed one of the 

460
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,840
words. 
It's a, it's a survival 

461
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,360
training. 
And so, you know, it's commonly 

462
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:22,560
known as combat survival 
training. 

463
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,800
One of them I did was where they
put you in a helicopter and, 

464
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,720
and, and put you in a mask that 
was blacked out with duct tape 

465
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,280
on it and then flipped you 
upside down and dropped you 

466
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040
underwater and made you escape 
out of this simulated helicopter

467
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,880
that was on a big crane. 
And they drop into this huge 

468
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,000
pool, which was a riot. 
The only problem was, is I'd 

469
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,920
made the terrible mistake. 
It's probably one of the only 

470
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,360
times in my life I remember 
doing this. 

471
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,200
I went out and drank till like 
two or three in the morning with

472
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,880
some idiot young guys who were 
in their early 20s. 

473
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,560
And, you know, I'm 30 years old 
at this point. 

474
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,840
So I was so hungover. 
It was like one of the worst 

475
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,320
experiences I ever had. 
I thought I was going to throw 

476
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,520
up the whole way through it. 
But the other piece of it is, is

477
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,760
that what people think of as 
being, you know, survival school

478
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080
where they they teach you how to
do basic skills in the woods. 

479
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,760
They teach you how to set traps 
and snares. 

480
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,640
And, you know, we set up a snare
to try to catch an elk or a 

481
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,960
moose. 
I don't know, we didn't catch 

482
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,560
anything. 
But it's funny, you set up tiny 

483
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,600
little snares to try to catch, 
you know, rabbits or squirrels, 

484
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,240
and then they just kind of 
starve you for about a week and 

485
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,800
change. 
You're doing land navigation out

486
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,200
in the woods. 
In my case, it was up in 

487
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,280
Spokane, WA at Fairchild Air 
Force Base, which is old 

488
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,120
Strategic Air Command base, kind
of cool, like neat old Cold War 

489
00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:22,040
space. 
And, you know, you run around, 

490
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,960
you get cold. 
It was December when I went 

491
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,240
through it. 
So I froze my butt off. 

492
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,400
And it was, it was just warm 
enough during the day to get 

493
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,800
wet. 
And then it was just cold up at 

494
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,640
night for my uniform to freeze. 
And, you know, you set up these 

495
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,360
impromptu little shelters and 
run around. 

496
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,800
And then after all that, 
somebody grabs you and throws a 

497
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,840
bag over your head and and puts 
you in a prison camp and beats 

498
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,080
the heck out of you and ask you 
a bunch of questions. 

499
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,920
And your job is to not tell them
the questions. 

500
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,680
So you get a little bit of a 
torture and abuse and they can 

501
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,040
only take it so far, but they 
can smack the heck out of you. 

502
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,480
And I always knew the smack was 
coming because I wore glasses at

503
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,400
the time. 
And I had anybody was in the 

504
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,200
military will be familiar what 
we call the birth control 

505
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,760
glasses or the BCGS. 
And they're the heavy frame 

506
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,600
military glasses. 
I'd always have them on my face.

507
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,600
And I also had a real stupid 
mustache at the time, which was 

508
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080
probably real helpful to get 
them motivated to hit me. 

509
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,200
And they would take the glasses 
off my face, fold them up very, 

510
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,960
very, you know, very 
ritualistically. 

511
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,640
And then they would put them in 
my front pocket right before I 

512
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,920
got hit. 
And so I always knew it was 

513
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,200
coming and there was probably 
about 8 seconds of anticipation 

514
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,080
before my teeth rattled. 
So that was always good. 

515
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,760
What kind of questions did they 
ask? 

516
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,040
What were they? 
They were trying to get you to 

517
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,320
reveal your unit and the size of
your unit and that sort of 

518
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,480
thing. 
Yeah, there's certain things 

519
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,480
that you're allowed to say and I
don't know how much of it is 

520
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,240
classified anymore. 
So I'll kind of be cautious 

521
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,120
about saying people have been 
through the training know, but 

522
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,160
it's it's, you know, the 
techniques are classified 

523
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,840
secret. 
Your job is to basically stay 

524
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,960
within a certain parameter of 
what you're allowed to talk 

525
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,320
about and try to deflect to the 
things that you need. 

526
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,600
So medical care, food, water, 
you know, attention for your, 

527
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,240
your comrades, your, your 
friends, the ability to, to, to 

528
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,560
speak to an embassy, things like
that, trying to get a message 

529
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,600
back home, all that kind of 
thing. 

530
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,560
But you're defending the 
information that would, you 

531
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,240
know, expose the other troops 
to, to danger. 

532
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,760
So, you know, radio frequencies,
size and location of troops, the

533
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,840
movements they're going, you 
know, comms plans, any kind of 

534
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,720
cryptography or anything that 
you were doing, any kind of 

535
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,960
secret codes or call response. 
You're trying to keep that all 

536
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,840
under wraps. 
So they're asking you what the 

537
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,320
things are, you know, what's the
color of the day? 

538
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,480
How do they validate to try to, 
you know, infiltrate your base, 

539
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,040
whatever. 
And then you say, I don't know. 

540
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,480
And then they beat the crap out 
of you, unless you're this guy 

541
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,960
that I, I stood next to when 
they first threw the hood over 

542
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,720
me, who was in the Army. 
And he just kept telling the 

543
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,400
answers. 
And finally at the end of it, 

544
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,840
they asked me why he was such a 
wimp. 

545
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,760
And I thought that was really 
funny. 

546
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,280
I started laughing and then they
hit me in the face again. 

547
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,920
So you, you can't win at Sears 
School. 

548
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,760
You're just going to get beat 
up. 

549
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,480
So the point of all this I'm 
going to go through and I don't 

550
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,000
know that I can even remember 
all them, but we we talked about

551
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,320
weapons and bombs and explosives
and we talked about the air 

552
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,760
traffic control. 
We talked about training as a 

553
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,400
paramedic. 
We talked about experience at at

554
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,920
the survival school. 
We talked about that. 

555
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,760
We didn't even talk a lot about 
the underwater combat and all 

556
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,680
that and stuff that you went 
through and then the specific 

557
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,120
weapons training, training in 
the law training. 

558
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,960
You've had a lot of training 
paid for by the United States 

559
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,280
government. 
You are, you are the recipient 

560
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,640
of, of probably all the tax 
dollars and much more that I've 

561
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,720
ever paid in my life. 
In in your life, you ever try to

562
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,360
add it all up and say if you put
a value on it, how much? 

563
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,320
How much do you think the 
government invested in you? 

564
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,000
It's goofy because I used to do 
the numbers. 

565
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,240
So when I was in between 
trainings, they found out that I

566
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560
was literate. 
And so my job when I was in 

567
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:30,040
between courses was as a, as an 
E3, as an Airman first class. 

568
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,160
I used to do write the 
commendations for all my 

569
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600
supervisors on behalf of my 
captain, who was borderline 

570
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,920
illiterate and a really nice 
guy. 

571
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,680
And he would just say, make me 
sound smart, you know, don't you

572
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,480
know, can I say this? 
And I say, no Sir, you can't say

573
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,000
that, that sounds stupid. 
So I rewrite it. 

574
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,040
And the second thing I did was 
help him with the budgeting 

575
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,200
'cause I just come out of being 
in a finance background with, 

576
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,800
with, with Warner Brothers. 
So I actually saw how much it 

577
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,600
cost to train any individual 
airmen. 

578
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,640
And I went through two of those 
things and it was somewhere 

579
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,480
between 250 and maybe $350,000, 
depending on how long they were 

580
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,720
in the training. 
And then I did two of those. 

581
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,120
So, you know, better part of 
half $1,000,000 when it came to 

582
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,200
the Air Force. 
And I don't know what they 

583
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,320
charge for the FBI, but it's 
$100,000 is what they claim to 

584
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,400
be able to just adjudicate a 
background check for a top 

585
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,240
secret clearance. 
And then, you know, sending 

586
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,080
somebody to Quantico cost more 
money as well. 

587
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,800
And so, you know, probably close
to $1,000,000 with the 

588
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,880
government training at this 
point. 

589
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Very good. 
Good morning. 

590
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,680
Welcome to the forum. 
Who's on the line? 

591
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Oh, they get impatient. 
Went away. 

592
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,760
NSA got them, yeah. 47424270 
Maybe it was the NSA, maybe they

593
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,760
come with question because 
they're trying to figure things 

594
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840
out. 
It's about 27 minutes until 

595
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,920
10:00. 
We're going to take a little 

596
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,360
break here. 
We're visiting with Kyle 

597
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,720
Seraphin, who we're going to 
talk about his status. 

598
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,280
He always introduces himself on 
the national programs. 

599
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,240
He's introduced as a former FBI 
agent, but in reality that's not

600
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,280
exactly accurate because he's 
kind of has an unusual status 

601
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,040
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643
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Good morning and welcome to the 
forum. 

644
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Who's on the line? 
Hey, good morning, Charlie and 

645
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Kyle. 
This is Bob. 

646
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,200
How you guys doing? 
Hey, Bob. 

647
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Hey. 
So, Kyle, I kind of knew your 

648
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,400
history and I knew that you were
the guy who put the cherry bomb 

649
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,440
in the gymnasium toilet. 
Wasn't it true? 

650
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200
I. 
Don't think we had any cherry 

651
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,320
bomb access when I was a kid. 
What, what a what a history you 

652
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,120
have, young man. 
You're terrific, Charlie. 

653
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,520
You should be very proud of your
son. 

654
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,880
And I think your destiny, Sir, 
is going to be head up the new 

655
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,080
FBI agency. 
Yeah. 

656
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,640
As George Bush once said to me, 
your lips to God's ears. 

657
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,160
Wouldn't that be something? 
Well, we can pray. 

658
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,600
And I think it's going to 
happen. 

659
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,160
I think we're going to turn this
thing around. 

660
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,280
I truly believe it. 
A former military guy like you, 

661
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,560
Kyle, They served back in the 
Vietnam air as a helicopter 

662
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560
pilot. 
And a lot of single ship 

663
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440
operations and it was quite 
interesting. 

664
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,840
I believe that I appreciate your
service. 

665
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,120
I know that was a tough time to 
be to be serving this country, 

666
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,960
and I know a lot of people 
didn't appreciate at the time, 

667
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,840
but those of us who came after 
are grateful for all the slings 

668
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,320
and arrows that the Vietnam vets
took. 

669
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Well, I, I I know there's one 
hippie in San Francisco with a 

670
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,600
broken nose. 
After we got off the airplane. 

671
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,360
You. 
Probably deserved it. 

672
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,080
That's pretty funny. 
Absolutely. 

673
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,720
What a pleasure hearing you 
speak and you're an excellent 

674
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,840
young man. 
Thank you very much. 

675
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,880
Thank you, Bob. 
Appreciate your call this 

676
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,960
morning. 
So Kyle, your status is 

677
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
indefinite suspension, not 
performance related. 

678
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,600
I read that language in a one of
the legal filings that came from

679
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,440
the FBI. 
What can you translate that into

680
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520
English for the rest of us? 
No. 

681
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,120
That doesn't exist. 
So the FBI, when I first jumped 

682
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,400
on to social media, which was 
against all of my instincts, but

683
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,920
it was the right move at the 
time, I, I refer to myself as 

684
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,880
Schrodinger's agent, which is 
kind of a throwback to this, 

685
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,680
this theoretical physical 
experiment done in the in the 

686
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,920
30s where they were described, 
you know, describing a cat in a 

687
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
box that's simultaneously dead 
and not dead because it's shot, 

688
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,120
but you don't know if it's dead 
until you open up the box. 

689
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,200
That's the simple version of it.
And so I'm simultaneously an FBI

690
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
employee. 
According to the FBI, my name is

691
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,720
still, you know, in the e-mail 
list. 

692
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,400
I'm in the global address book. 
And my buddies every once in a 

693
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
while text me and tell me you've
been offline for 238 days or 

694
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120
whatever the heck it's been 
since, since I last was in, 

695
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,720
which was on April 18th. 
But I'm not being paid and I'm 

696
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840
not being paid because there was
no performance issue. 

697
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,200
They claimed it was a possible 
unprofessional conduct 

698
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,720
situation. 
But the unprofessional conduct 

699
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,640
that they alleged resulted in 
the police officer that I was 

700
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
speaking to saying 10/8, no 
report. 

701
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,880
And if anybody in the law 
enforcement world was out there 

702
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,440
and knows how the 10 codes work,
10/8 means I'm going back into 

703
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,600
service and, and no report means
that nothing happened. 

704
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400
It was nothing worth writing up.
So there's not going to be any 

705
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,880
kind of descriptive. 
There's not going to be any time

706
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960
off duty for him to sit around 
and type something up. 

707
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,120
So it was a non event to the 
officer that I spoke with. 

708
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
It was a non event to me in a 
lot of ways other than I, I kind

709
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880
of knew that the FBI would have 
to know about it, which is why I

710
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,600
self reported. 
I went to them and said, look, I

711
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,000
had a conversation with a cop in
the desert and he didn't know 

712
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,960
the state law, but I did. 
And he didn't know if we were in

713
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,160
the city or the county, but I 
did. 

714
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,040
And I told him those things. 
And then he went away and he 

715
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,720
asked me to go do something that
I wasn't going to do. 

716
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,560
And I was polite about it and 
just said, you know, that's not 

717
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
going to happen. 
But but not for me trying to 

718
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,200
make trouble for you. 
It's just I, I was a Second 

719
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,480
Amendment supporter and someone 
who swore into the Bill of 

720
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Rights. 
I I can't do that and I'm not 

721
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,400
going to do that and I didn't. 
So that was the the pretext, but

722
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,560
what's the real reason? 
What what what was the FB is 

723
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,240
beef with you initially? 
It's, it's funny because they 

724
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800
both happened at the same time. 
I think the FBI has 2 problems 

725
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,440
with me. 
One of them was that I became a 

726
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,800
federal whistleblower. 
That's a very, very specific and

727
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,840
has a specific meaning under 
federal statute. 

728
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,160
Like how you do that. 
And it has to be that you report

729
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,440
either fraud, waste, and abuse, 
which a lot of people in the 

730
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,520
military will be familiar with. 
And then the other option is 

731
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,600
that you are reporting a 
violation of rule, policy, or 

732
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,280
federal law that you see within 
your agency. 

733
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,560
And in my case, it was with the 
DOJII actually believe that 

734
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Attorney General Merrick Garland
had committed perjury 5 days 

735
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,800
before I got this e-mail that 
stated that the FBI would be 

736
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,360
creating a threat tag. 
A threat tag is like a hashtag. 

737
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,320
It's a, a way to identify 
certain types of intelligence. 

738
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,200
And they created this threat tag
which said, which was called Edu

739
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,080
officials. 
And my belief in the, in the way

740
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,200
that it was written was that it 
was going to be investigated by 

741
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,600
both the criminal division, 
which is fine sort of, and then 

742
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,960
the counterterrorism division, 
which is absurd and a problem. 

743
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,200
And it was exactly the opposite 
of what the attorney general had

744
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,720
said. 
And they were going to be 

745
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,800
investigating parents that were 
at school board meetings that 

746
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,160
may have got rowdy, which is a 
local issue probably at best. 

747
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680
They could really, really, 
really stretch it and call it an

748
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,680
Interstate threat case, which is
the purview of the FBI. 

749
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,960
But you know, the FBI doesn't 
have the resources to do all the

750
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,480
Interstate threats that are out 
there in the world. 

751
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600
They barely are able to handle 
the ones to judges and federal 

752
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480
agents and Border Patrol guys. 
I've seen them declined when 

753
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,360
someone literally told a Border 
Patrol agent, I'm going to come 

754
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,320
back and kill you. 
I'm driving back to your station

755
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,320
with a gun and I'm going to 
shoot it up and kill all you and

756
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,239
your friends. 
And we didn't prosecute that. 

757
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,760
Like, I investigated it and 
there was no appetite for 

758
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,520
prosecution. 
So the idea we're going to get 

759
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,280
mad at a dad who says you guys 
are going to pay for this, you 

760
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
know, loudly on a microphone 
because he's mad about people 

761
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,040
doing CRT or, you know, gender 
ideology to his eight-year old. 

762
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,040
There's no there's no room for 
that in the FBI. 

763
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,560
So that was Part 1. 
And the second thing was I just 

764
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,320
said I wasn't going to get the 
COVID vaccine under any 

765
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
circumstances. 
And I sort of alluded to the 

766
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,880
fact that the way they are 
behaving was Nazi esque. 

767
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,480
It's something that is, I don't 
believe that minor government 

768
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,480
officials and even the major 
ones at the DOJ have any 

769
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,840
business trying to enforce 
medical decisions on people, 

770
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,800
particularly with something so 
experimental is what we're 

771
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,080
seeing with these mRNA shots. 
So you push back on the vaccine 

772
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,520
and you went to a congresswoman 
in New Mexico, where you were 

773
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,480
stationed at the time and 
delivered an internal document 

774
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,160
from the FBI of from the 
Department of Justice. 

775
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,160
Yeah. 
Or where is it from? 

776
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,520
The FBI It. 
Was from the FBI. 

777
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,720
It was from the two different 
divisions. 

778
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,720
It's the criminal division and 
the counter. 

779
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,320
Terrorism division all right and
you've said this just looks 

780
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,480
wrong. 
This just doesn't seem to 

781
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,440
shouldn't hold water and seems 
to be in conflict with what was 

782
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,040
stated publicly and based on 
that and you have to use some 

783
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
certain language when you become
a quote whistleblower. 

784
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,520
We hear that that term now 
pretty much every time you turn 

785
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,880
around. 
Somebody's a whistleblower, I 

786
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,960
guess if they, you know, I guess
referees at the high school 

787
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,640
basketball games could be 
considered whistleblowers too. 

788
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,920
But there's a technical 
definition within the, within 

789
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,400
the FBI. 
So how does that work exactly? 

790
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,400
Yeah, There's a couple of ways 
of making what's called a 

791
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680
protected disclosure, which is 
what I was involved in. 

792
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,600
And the protected disclosure can
go through your chain of 

793
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,760
command. 
This is going to be any of your 

794
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,960
managerial staff. 
It can go outside of that. 

795
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
If you went to the the general 
counsel for each division or if 

796
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,520
you went to the OGC, you can, 
OGC is the Office of General 

797
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,240
Counsel. 
It's the main attorneys that are

798
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,400
for the FBI. 
You can go to the Office of the 

799
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,320
Inspector General, you can go to
an Office of Special Counsel. 

800
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,400
If there is a special counsel 
that's convened, you can bring 

801
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,160
them information. 
So there's a couple ways you can

802
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,160
do it, but the last way, which 
is protected by federal law, is 

803
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,440
that you can bring it to a 
member of Congress, You can 

804
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,120
petition Congress for redress. 
And those parameters are very 

805
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,400
specific. 
As I said, it's got to be a 

806
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,480
violation of federal rule, law 
or policy and or it's got to be 

807
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,680
fraud, waste or abuse. 
So if somebody is using federal 

808
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,280
resources, if they are abusing 
their position or if they're 

809
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,640
spending money they ought not 
to, things like that, then you 

810
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,360
can go those. 
But you know, it's very narrow. 

811
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,600
It's very specific to be able to
fit into those criteria. 

812
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,880
And so when you do it, you got 
to make sure you're in that 

813
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,600
criteria if you want to get the 
protection. 

814
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,000
There's just no teeth in the 
protection unfortunately, which 

815
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,400
is why I'm in the situation I'm 
in. 

816
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,360
So you got the you you, but the 
FBI does not acknowledge that 

817
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,960
you're a whistleblower. 
In fact, they've sent you 

818
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,840
correspondence that says that 
you're not a whistleblower as 

819
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,160
far as they're concerned. 
Correct. 

820
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,040
But you had a supervisor asked 
you if you're a whistleblower 

821
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,440
and you answered. 
Yes. 

822
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,280
Yes. 
So the supervisor asked you if 

823
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,480
you're a whistleblower. 
So he had. 

824
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,000
He must have heard that. 
And you said yes, you affirmed 

825
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
it, but when the lawyers got a 
hold of it, they sent you a 

826
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,280
letter and said, no, we don't 
recognize you as a 

827
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,520
whistleblower. 
Correct. 

828
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Yeah. 
We're, we don't know what we're 

829
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,240
doing with you, but we're we're 
trying to do something. 

830
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Yes. 
Yeah. 

831
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,800
In the meantime, you're here in 
Payson. 

832
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,320
Good morning. 
Welcome to the forum. 

833
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,120
Who's on the line? 
Hey, it's Dave GI. 

834
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,200
Want to thank Kyle for standing 
up. 

835
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,120
And I thought they, he can 
comment on this. 

836
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,600
Are going to drop the mandate 
from the federal government. 

837
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:44,920
And the next thing is any 
comment on the Biden's choice of

838
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,280
nuclear waste director, that 
position will be open. 

839
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,240
Did they really vet that guy 
that's been in the news? 

840
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,920
And thank you for your service 
and thanks for mostly standing 

841
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,600
up. 
Thank you. 

842
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,080
Thank you, Dave, appreciate your
call. 

843
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,440
Couple questions there. 
Yeah. 

844
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,120
So regarding the nuclear waste 
assistant secretary, I think was

845
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,360
the position that's we're 
talking about Sam Brinson here, 

846
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,960
who is the the famous human 
animal handler, homosexual sort 

847
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,800
of weird kink advocate, I guess 
was what he was calling. 

848
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,520
I'm going to call it weird 
because it's really weird to me.

849
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,480
Women's underwear thief. 
Women's clothing yeah suitcase 

850
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,640
thief now twice alleged we're 
going to say because it was a 

851
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,840
it's an allegation hasn't been 
proven in court yet yeah. 

852
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,960
So in in the case of something 
like that, and I can kind of 

853
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,160
kind of flesh that out, it's 
very interesting. 

854
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,680
They chose him for senior 
executive staff, our senior 

855
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,120
executive service. 
Those are the top people in kind

856
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,960
of the deep state type 
positions. 

857
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080
But the interesting thing is it 
doesn't require the 

858
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,680
congressional approval. 
And so he was able to be 

859
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,200
appointed to that job, hired for
that job is what you would say. 

860
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,040
They would have to post it and 
decide that somebody who had no 

861
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,920
experience in nuclear energy 
and, and had a degree that was 

862
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600
analogous to it was the right 
move. 

863
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,720
And I believe they did that 
specifically because if he had 

864
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,640
faced a Senate hearing for 
confirmation as an Under 

865
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Secretary or something along 
those lines, that there's no way

866
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,080
this this goes through. 
So it was kind of an end around 

867
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,800
of the process and you know, you
know, I know it. 

868
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,520
Was signaling to a community 
correct? 

869
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,760
100% signaling to LBGTQ question
mark plus plus minus minus 

870
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,120
whatever, all the stuff. 
And, and by doing that, they got

871
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,480
away with putting somebody into 
a position that probably would 

872
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,840
have otherwise not gotten a 
clearance. 

873
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,360
You can force clearances through
if the Senate approves you, but 

874
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,160
you're not supposed to be able 
to do that for the SES 

875
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,120
positions. 
I'm confident knowing that 

876
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,280
people in the 
counterintelligence part of the 

877
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,080
Department of Energy who I've 
worked with, they're mostly 

878
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
former and retired FBI agents. 
They're highly competent, 

879
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,800
regular guys. 
The, the ones I met were all 

880
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,200
men. 
So, you know, regular guys just 

881
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,920
working there in the basement, 
doing the right work. 

882
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,760
I'm confident they would have a 
very difficult time vetting this

883
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,480
person in the way that I was 
vetted to become an FBI agent. 

884
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,480
You know that. 
Security center question was the

885
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,120
the the mandate for the vaccine 
has been dropped. 

886
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,320
So yes and no. 
They've dropped it for the 

887
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,080
military, it sounds like, or at 
least they proposed that. 

888
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,480
And it sounds like that's going 
to get signed. 

889
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,120
I haven't seen it fully revoked,
but that that's the rumblings 

890
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,280
that have happened. 
And each department handled the 

891
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,680
vaccine mandate on its own. 
And so that's what's very 

892
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640
interesting. 
But the FBI's issue with me is 

893
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,920
not so much that I didn't get 
the mandate, the it's that I 

894
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400
didn't comply with what I was 
told to do. 

895
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,520
There's a very strong culture of
do what you're told. 

896
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,240
Your loyalty is to the FBI. 
I have a sort of slightly 

897
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,200
different belief because I've 
sworn my life to the 

898
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,000
Constitution more than once now.
So my belief is that my 

899
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,000
obligation is to our founding 
document and the principles that

900
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,320
this country was founded on. 
And those are fundamentally 

901
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,440
different than what the FBI 
would would have me do. 

902
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,280
Sometimes my job is to stand up 
to the FBI if it comes up, if 

903
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200
there is a conflict. 
You know, I didn't swear to a 

904
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,360
president and I didn't swear to 
a FBI director or, or any kind 

905
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,720
of attorney general. 
None of those things are really 

906
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,320
relevant to what the oath says. 
But many people that are at the 

907
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,880
upper levels of the FBI don't 
see it that way. 

908
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,200
You recently, well, you've met a
lot of interesting people on 

909
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,800
this journey since you became a 
whistleblower. 

910
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,440
You took the information and 
you, it's attracted a lot of 

911
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:14,280
attention from people who are 
still in the Bureau, people who 

912
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,720
are in other government agencies
and retired agents. 

913
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:23,400
But most recently you met with 
or spoke to telephonically 

914
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,200
video, whatever you call a video
chat. 

915
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,320
But you've gotten to know a 
former FBI agent who had a 

916
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,480
really strange story to me. 
It was just, it was almost 

917
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,440
unbelievable that it could have 
happened. 

918
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200
And he was also, quote, a 
whistleblower while he was still

919
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,000
in, but he he rode out the storm
for, what, seven years after he 

920
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,560
made his first disclosure. 
Can you capsulize that story for

921
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,280
us? 
Sure. 

922
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,240
So the gentleman I spoke to is 
now an elected sheriff in Walla 

923
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,640
Walla County, Washington State 
and his name is Mark Crider. 

924
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,280
We did a 2 hour plus interview 
where he basically laid out his 

925
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,040
story. 
Sheriff Kreider is a, you know, 

926
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,200
a former F-14 Tomcat Rio, which 
is kind of a fantasy, you know, 

927
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880
gig for somebody who grew up in 
the 80s like I did watching Top 

928
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,240
Gun and you know, he was Goose. 
He was the guy behind the guy 

929
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,320
inside the the F-14, which is 
just awesome. 

930
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,840
Like it's such a cool platform 
from from my childhood. 

931
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,480
Did that for 10 years. 
Came out of the Navy as a 

932
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,000
retired Lieutenant Commander or 
as a separated Lieutenant 

933
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,720
Commander, you know, picked up 
by the FBI at about the same age

934
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,840
as me, 35. 
Went in eyes open with world 

935
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,880
experience and had seen the, you
know, some things out there. 

936
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,200
Literally been on the USS 
Enterprise and gone around the 

937
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,040
world with it. 
And then, you know, just kind of

938
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,520
was doing the FBI thing. 
He had been in a criminal squad.

939
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,560
He had worked cyber crimes. 
He was working crimes against 

940
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,920
children, which is child 
pornography and really kind of 

941
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,400
noble work that the FBI does, 
you know, saw 9/11 happen. 

942
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,240
He was actually, you know, 
signed up prior to 911, saw the 

943
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,600
pre and post 911 FBI, which 
people say is a very strong 

944
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,520
differentiation. 
And then he was also a firearms 

945
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,200
instructor and a senior SWAT 
instructor. 

946
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,800
And he's one of the few master 
police instructors in the FBI at

947
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,480
the time. 
And, and probably still we don't

948
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,520
have a bunch of them. 
So he ran around and did, you 

949
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,040
know, kind of a dream gig. 
He was back and forth to 

950
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Quantico. 
He was doing cool training, 

951
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,840
meeting with local cops, doing a
lot of fun stuff. 

952
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,200
And one of the people that he 
encountered as a fit advisor, 

953
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,440
which is a job that FBI agents 
take on as a collateral. 

954
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,400
You just show up and, you know, 
run the fitness test for the new

955
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,240
guys and for people that are in 
the office was for this former 

956
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:26,240
Army Ranger and Justin Slaby. 
And Slaby had the unique sort of

957
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,920
characteristic of having one of 
his hands blown off while he was

958
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,320
in the Ranger battalion. 
He had a flash bang go off 

959
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,640
prematurely, manufacturer 
defect, and he lost his entire 

960
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,360
hand in his mid 20s. 
And so he had this mechanical 

961
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,680
replacement and he couldn't do 
much with it other than it would

962
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,300
just balance weight. 
You know, he could do his push 

963
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,480
ups, but it was one arm push ups
essentially with no hand on the 

964
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,540
other side. 
And apparently he did 14 pull 

965
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:47,840
ups. 
You mean he's a total stud? 

966
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,480
Everyone who's talked to, and 
I've talked to probably half 

967
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,040
dozen people now that knew him 
over the last 10 and 15 years, 

968
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Paul, everybody says he's a 
stud. 

969
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,640
He's just a, he's a physical 
specimen and a really good guy 

970
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,480
and a great sense of humor, 
which is probably what happens 

971
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,920
when you lose your hand in your 
20s. 

972
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,880
You just become kind of an 
interesting character. 

973
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,560
And for whatever reason, the FBI
decided to throw him out of the 

974
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,240
FBI Academy at Quantico. 
They put him in this failed 

975
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,160
training status. 
They used similar to what 

976
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,200
they've done with me, where 
they've taken my security 

977
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,240
clearance. 
They put him on a medical hold. 

978
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,640
So they weren't getting rid of 
him. 

979
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,240
They just indefinitely held him 
in this medical suspension and 

980
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,160
said they would reinstate him to
being an agent or an agent 

981
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,640
trainee as soon as he grew back 
another hand. 

982
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,360
And as he told, you know, 
Sheriff Crider, you know, I'm 

983
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,680
not a effing starfish. 
Like I'm not going to grow back 

984
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160
another hand, which is a great 
line from somebody that that 

985
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,240
obviously knows what it's about.
In any case, the FBI special 

986
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,320
agent in charge of the Milwaukee
Division came down and told him 

987
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,360
that in no uncertainty in terms,
he better side in his testimony 

988
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,600
in a civil case on behalf of the
Bureau, which is suborning 

989
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,240
perjury, which is a felony. 
And it's also witness tampering 

990
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,840
because she threatened his job 
based on that. 

991
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,400
And that's a felony. 
And so the FBI allowed this 

992
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,760
woman who was in charge of, you 
know, the Milwaukee field office

993
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,200
to commit multiple felonies in 
front of another federal agent. 

994
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,800
He reported them. 
That was his whistleblower 

995
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,640
activity and they defended her. 
She was promoted to assistant 

996
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,280
director, as so many of these 
awful people inside the FBI are,

997
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,760
and she was allowed, she was 
found to be guilty of those 

998
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,320
things based on the 
preponderance of the evidence, 

999
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,880
which is the Office of General 
Counsel standard. 

1000
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,160
And they, yeah, they let her 
retire. 

1001
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,240
They, they let her ride out 
until she hit eligibility. 

1002
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,120
She was under basically the 
threat of being fired for a year

1003
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,960
but wasn't and retired and 
walked off of their full 

1004
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,880
pension. 
So the the point of the story to

1005
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:33,840
me is that Sheriff Crider was 
served before you ever went into

1006
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,520
the FBI, and he was, but he was 
up for a promotion at one point 

1007
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,840
and that didn't work out too 
well. 

1008
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,520
No, they, he, he revealed to me 
that we do these things called 

1009
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
career boards where they get a 
bunch of your peers together and

1010
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,760
they vet you on some interview 
questions that are kind of like 

1011
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,040
a Standard Bank of questions. 
And he was voted number one for 

1012
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,280
a promotion that he had done. 
But after this case, basically 

1013
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,720
the, the ASAC, the, the 
assistant special agent in 

1014
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,720
charge, the one just below the 
woman that he didn't like or 

1015
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,560
that had lied, pushed the pause 
button on their, on their tape 

1016
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,480
recorder and said, you know, 
Krider's not going to be #1 hit 

1017
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120
the play button again. 
They revoted and he became the 

1018
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,760
number four guy. 
And so he didn't get the job. 

1019
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,720
And so he, you know, he had 
tangible damages from that sort 

1020
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,680
of thing. 9 minutes before 
10:00, you're listening to the 

1021
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,800
forum here on KMOG from Payson, 
AZ. 

1022
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,440
It's our regular everyday 
program, kind of special. 

1023
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Today, son Kyle is my guest on 
the program and we're happy to 

1024
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,160
have him here. 
We'll take a little break, take 

1025
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,800
care of some business. 
If you're on the phone, be 

1026
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1033
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1034
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1035
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1037
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1038
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They're hiring. 
Yeah, you need to be an 

1039
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installer. 
Could be. 

1040
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,560
I see your guy that does the 
microwaves, that's interesting 

1041
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:29,800
you got something. 
Your what? 

1042
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,880
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1043
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1044
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1045
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1046
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1047
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1048
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1049
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1050
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,200
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1051
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1052
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1053
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Good morning. 
Welcome to the forum. 

1054
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,880
Who's on the line? 
Thanks for your patience, by the

1055
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,640
way. 
Not a problem. 

1056
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Charlie. 
This is Mark. 

1057
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Hi, Mark. 
Good morning, gentlemen. 

1058
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,920
Kyle, all I can do is praise 
you. 

1059
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,200
It amazes me that our federal 
government will spend well and 

1060
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,200
you're only one approximately 
$1,000,000 to train you with the

1061
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:36,040
technology that you have and 
then allow you to they just put 

1062
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,800
you away in the closet. 
I'm hoping that someday maybe 

1063
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,240
you can answer this question 
that if times change, 

1064
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:50,840
administration changes, would 
you ever go back with all your 

1065
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,440
training? 
And I will hang up and let you 

1066
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,800
kind of it's I, I hate to put 
people on the spot, but I'm 

1067
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,040
wondering if you would ever go 
back into service with the FBI. 

1068
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,000
And I'll let you answer that 
question. 

1069
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,400
And gentlemen, and once again, 
Kyle, thank you. 

1070
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,400
Thank you, Mark. 
Appreciate your call. 

1071
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,480
Margaret, it's a good question. 
I'm happy to be put on the spot 

1072
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,280
on things like this. 
It's, it's complicated because 

1073
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,120
the betrayal is, is really where
where the pain is in something 

1074
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,360
like this. 
It's a, it's an entity. 

1075
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,600
It's not like I got stabbed in 
the back by a group of people I 

1076
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,760
didn't know and had no reason to
trust. 

1077
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,520
It's, you know, the people that 
I signed up to work with. 

1078
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,720
Part of it is that other agents 
have not stepped forward. 

1079
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,800
That's not a great feeling. 
I understand everybody's 

1080
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,760
situation is a little different.
I try to be judicious and I try 

1081
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,560
not to judge them. 
As a Christian, it's not my job.

1082
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,040
You know, they, they got to make
their, they got to make their 

1083
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,840
arguments in their own time. 
And yet I believe in the 

1084
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,040
mission. 
I've always believed in the 

1085
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,240
mission. 
I wouldn't have signed up if I 

1086
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:49,720
didn't. 
And I don't believe that that 

1087
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,320
oath expires. 
One of the guys that I talked to

1088
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,160
says, you know, the oath doesn't
expire until we do. 

1089
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,160
And so, you know, I don't really
have a choice other than to 

1090
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,880
continue doing the things that I
said I would do. 

1091
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,360
And I will continue if, you 
know, if the opportunity arises 

1092
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,200
and under the the right 
circumstances where I kind of, I

1093
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,080
need to see some management 
change, that's for sure. 

1094
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,840
But I'm not opposed to going 
back. 

1095
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,800
It was a great job. 
I never woke up on a Monday 

1096
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,760
morning and thought, man, I hate
going into work today. 

1097
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,880
I got called out at 3:00 AM on a
on a Saturday night and, you 

1098
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,200
know, I just put on my stuff and
told my wife I had to go. 

1099
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,600
And that's what it was. 
That's the job. 

1100
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,440
I did it all the time. 
I got no notice, you know, calls

1101
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,160
on Sunday afternoon saying jump 
on a plane and be somewhere 

1102
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,720
Monday morning and be ready to 
go do work in another state or 

1103
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,640
another city. 
And I loved it. 

1104
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,400
I mean, that's, that's it's a 
great feeling to be able to do 

1105
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,200
think you're doing the right 
thing and, and doing good things

1106
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,040
for the American people. 
And it's a terrible feeling when

1107
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,920
your agency doesn't have your 
back on that and thinks that 

1108
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,080
they can't even defend the civil
rights of the people that are 

1109
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,840
inside of the FBI. 
It makes me question how they 

1110
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,760
think they can defend the civil 
rights of people like you. 

1111
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,400
Let's talk about Congress for 
just a second. 

1112
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,320
We've got a couple minutes left 
here today. 

1113
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,280
The, the, there's a lot that has
been made of the Hunter Biden 

1114
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:03,680
laptop, and it seems to be the 
focus of the, of a number of 

1115
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,200
congressional offices. 
Conservative Republicans are, 

1116
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,080
you know, that they're counting 
the days until they can open the

1117
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,120
hearings and expose all of that.
None of that really would have 

1118
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,160
come into focus if it hadn't 
been for whistleblowers, people 

1119
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,480
who within the FBI came forward 
and authenticated the 

1120
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,280
information that was there. 
Yes, and, and I think that the 

1121
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,080
fact that the Bureau did its 
cover up is a big piece of the 

1122
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,000
pie, right. 
It's not just that this thing 

1123
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,640
existed that's sort of, you 
know, that was exposed by the 

1124
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,680
New York Post and it was exposed
in 2020. 

1125
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,080
Plenty. 
There was plenty of information 

1126
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,720
that was out there. 
The nefarious nature is using 

1127
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,120
the the mechanism of government 
to be able to cover for a 

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00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,280
political official. 
But none of that becomes public 

1129
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,000
unless people are are encouraged
to do the right thing to come 

1130
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,880
forward and, and speak out and, 
and and go to Congress. 

1131
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,480
And that will absolutely cease. 
That will not continue. 

1132
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,520
I can assure you from talking 
to, you know, maybe a dozen 

1133
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,200
whistleblowers, they will not 
continue doing this thing if the

1134
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,200
liability is that there's no top
cover now that the result. 

1135
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,600
People may not understand. 
So let's slow that down and, 

1136
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,600
and, and go through it one more 
time. 

1137
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:16,360
So the, these, the we, you know,
we have already established. 

1138
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,720
So you didn't grow up in a 
political hustle. 

1139
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,960
I've been pretty apolitical most
of my life. 

1140
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,440
I've met people on both parties.
Some of them I like, some of 

1141
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,480
them I didn't like, some left, 
some right, whatever. 

1142
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,560
That didn't make a big 
difference to me. 

1143
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,720
I try to judge their, the people
by their actions, by their words

1144
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,400
and by their actions. 
But within the within the 

1145
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,800
Congress, it seems like there's 
such as an enormous effort that 

1146
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:46,840
the whole focus is to become to 
have fame and fortune to and to 

1147
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,740
continue their quote service to 
the country by getting re 

1148
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:51,160
elected and re elected and re 
elected. 

1149
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,160
And the principles, the 
underlying principles often 

1150
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,320
times are pushed aside in favor 
of the expediency of being re 

1151
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,600
elected. 
You think that's a fair 

1152
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,880
statement? 
It seems like it, you know, 

1153
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
having an ability to go on Fox 
News, which is what we're, you 

1154
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,240
know, we're talking specifically
right now in my case about 

1155
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,920
Congressman Jim Jordan, who I 
don't have any personal 

1156
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,920
animosity towards. 
And I like what he says and I 

1157
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,560
like the way he says it, but 
he's using, you know, people 

1158
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,520
like me and people like my buddy
Steven and my friend Garrett and

1159
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,960
a couple of others. 
You know, I don't want to name 

1160
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,960
everybody, but there's there's a
whole host of us that have gone 

1161
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,880
to their office in good faith 
and said, you know, we need this

1162
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,640
help. 
And he was more than happy to go

1163
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,000
and use that as rocket fuel for 
the campaign that he was doing, 

1164
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,320
even if he was reassured 
election. 

1165
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,880
It helped bring along some of 
the change that we saw in the 

1166
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,400
midterms. 
And it wasn't what we hoped for 

1167
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,680
in a lot of ways, because I, I 
did want to see a, a stronger 

1168
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,480
push there. 
But if you're going to take 

1169
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,840
people like, you know, our 
information and you're going to 

1170
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,080
use it as rocket fuel to go get 
reelected, and then you're not 

1171
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,880
going to use us as your first 
priority. 

1172
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,280
You know, one of the things is 
you got to protect your supply 

1173
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,120
line. 
And if you're not to protecting 

1174
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,160
your supply line, you're going 
to be cut off in the middle 

1175
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,800
enemy territory by yourself 
pretty soon. 

1176
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,800
They can subpoena anything they 
want. 

1177
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,920
But if they don't know what 
files to ask for and what case 

1178
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,320
numbers to to request, they're 
just at the mercy of the FBI as 

1179
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,360
opposed to having people on the 
inside really say, look, this is

1180
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,560
where the problem is that 
forward air control kind of 

1181
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,960
movement where you're directing 
these investigations. 

1182
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,200
Because we're investigators, 
that's what we do. 

1183
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,400
We know where the problems are. 
We know where that where the 

1184
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,320
issues were hidden. 
We understand the managers that 

1185
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,480
were involved in those 
decisions. 

1186
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,880
But if you're not going to have 
people that are protected, like 

1187
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,240
who's going to come forward and 
talk about that? 

1188
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:19,600
If they know they're going to 
lose their paycheck, they're 

1189
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,160
going to lose their pension, 
they're going to lose their 

1190
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,280
health benefits, they're going 
to sell their house and take 

1191
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,800
their infant children and, and 
move into a place that, you 

1192
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,440
know, they can't barely afford 
it and go bankrupt on it. 

1193
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,040
That that's a terrible, it's a 
terrible plan of attack, you 

1194
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,640
know, for the current 
Republicans, if they really got 

1195
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,880
to figure out that protecting 
people's got to come first. 

1196
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,880
And we will continue to give 
them the information because 

1197
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,840
it's the right thing to do, not 
because it's a partisan action 

1198
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,040
on our part. 
It's it's the way that this 

1199
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,280
country has to, it has to have 
sunlight and transparency. 

1200
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,080
There are people listening right
now who have very strong 

1201
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,520
political connections. 
They know people in high places.

1202
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,800
You wouldn't think it maybe, but
there are here, right here. 

1203
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,720
Little pace in Arizona are 
there, have there have any 

1204
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,560
congressional offices reached 
out to you or any of your 

1205
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,840
friends who are fellow FBI 
whistleblowers and said, we got 

1206
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,920
your back, we're there for you? 
No, not that explicitly what 

1207
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,200
they've said is that can you 
update us on your situation, 

1208
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,120
which is a non answer to me, you
know, as somebody who was in the

1209
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,600
position to do enforcement 
actions, who was in the position

1210
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,920
to do investigations, if I said 
I was going to do something, I 

1211
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,080
tried to be the guy that did 
that. 

1212
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,640
So if I tell you, look, we're 
going to help you, I'm going to 

1213
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,840
do an investigation of this, I'm
going to do the right thing. 

1214
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
That's a very different answer 
then you know, like what's going

1215
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,440
on with you and you know, those 
are. 

1216
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,760
Are you still are you still 
unemployed or are you still not 

1217
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,080
getting paid exactly, still 
living at your dad's house? 

1218
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,760
Exactly. 
So these kind of things, you 

1219
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,440
know, they're not reassuring. 
It's and nobody's made that sort

1220
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,720
of strong commitment to say 
like, look, under all 

1221
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:47,320
circumstances, we're going to 
make it happen for you. 

1222
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,320
We're going to do the right 
thing. 

1223
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,440
And the, the real problem is, is
that there's bipartisan support 

1224
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,440
right now for legislation that 
would actually put teeth into 

1225
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,160
the Whistleblower Protection Act
for the FBI right now. 

1226
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,400
That's, that's 5USC23O3. 
There's no teeth in it. 

1227
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,440
So the FBI has No Fear of, of, 
you know, doing reprisals 

1228
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,360
against us. 
They don't care. 

1229
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,760
Kyle, thank you for your 
service. 

1230
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,520
Thank you for being here on the 
program today. 

1231
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,560
Thanks for being my son. 
And I do love you and I'm proud 

1232
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,960
of you. 
And I hope that people found it 

1233
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,760
as as we tried to make it. 
Thanks for listening to the Kyle

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00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Seraphin Show. 
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1235
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,880
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