Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an
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Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show.
It's Monday, July the 10th. It is 9:30 on the East Coast and
8:30 here in Texas, America, welcome to our show.
Thanks for joining us. Got another one of the long form
interviews that we're going to be doing today interviewed A
journalist and this is kind of a profile series.
We're doing a chance for you to get to know some of the
journalists that are out there writing.
This gentleman writes for the Gateway Pundit.
And what I want you to be able to do is to evaluate critically
the source of the information. So often times we go, when we
find an article, the article seems to tell us something that
we like, so we keep it. It tells us something we don't
like, so we discard it. What I want people to do is to
think critically and to evaluate everyone based on a few things.
Number one, what is the access that this particular journalist
has to the information #2 What is the bias that they bring to
the story that they're writing? Do they have an agenda?
And if so, is it something that is going to discredit what they
are putting out? And one of the ways we do that
is getting to know them as a person asking the questions,
where do they come from? What is the the world view that
they look at? How is it that they assess the
information that comes in and do they have?
You know some readily available biases that they're willing to
admit to. So we can kind of put it in that
lens and then decide whether to keep or discard the information
that's being shared. That's the goal.
That's what we're doing here. I'm going to give you a couple
of profiles. This will be number two of our
sort of blue collar journalists. And then once you have that
information, I'm going to be bringing these people back on,
you can always refer back to the long form profiles about who
they are because I want them to be able to kind of give us
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of different types of stories. We can't do them all.
So the best opportunity we have is going to be to bring these
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to a little bit of our scrutiny so we can kind of decide how
that information is being gathered.
And what we think of it. So that's that's really the goal
here. You're going to really enjoy
this interview. If you'll give me a just a
little bit of a Mulligan, When we connected with Bradley, his
I'm sorry with Sean, his name is Sean Bradley Witzman and his
video is mediocre. For the first hour of this
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But the audio was very good and that's really the most important
thing to convey. So we didn't, we didn't have a
fantastic visual presentation. I think you guys will get past
it because the things he has to say are quite excellent.
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So this is. This is the day today you're
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of it. This is what we call a live
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And Ryan Maddow was in the background making sure that it
ran smoothly. So here we go ladies and
gentlemen, I think you're very much going to enjoy this.
Like I said, excuse the video quality and let's rock'n'roll.
And my guest today is Sean Bradley Weitzman.
Hopefully I said that right. Sean, you have to correct me.
He's an independent journalist, also known as a free range
journalist. He's got no restrictions.
We're going to talk about where he's from, why he's a reporter
now and and some of the wild things that he's seen.
He's had an interesting journey. So let's get into that right
now, Sean, Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Kyle.
It's a pleasure. But of course you did say the
name wrong. It is.
It is Witsman So. Witsman, is that a New Mexico
thing, you think? No, it's, you know, it's
honestly, it's supposed to be, you know, like Viet Simon,
right, because of the German thing.
But you know, I don't, I don't know where that goes along.
It's been, said Whitesman. A lot.
I don't know why. I think that just triggers me
just because you know that they're they're immediately it
seems to be some sort of connotation but.
There's, yeah, there's sort of like a racial issue there.
Yeah, it's probably after being called, you know, a violent
insurrectionist for. 2 1/2 years That probably has something to
do with it as well, but. That that checks out.
So Vitzman, I I should have known too, because you look a
lot like one of my you could have been a cousin of my best
buddy from high school. His last name is Metzger.
And so he's got that Germanic kind of blood.
He's got the same sort of head. It's kind of nice and round and
smooth. He's got kind of that beard look
thing. OK, so.
So Sean, tell me where you're from.
So I am from Farmington, NM, a little town there in the
northwest corner of the state. Grew up there, born and raised.
You know, I was going to college very early on and and studying
philosophy, psychology, kind of this, you know, various things.
Didn't really know what I wanted to do.
I like too many subjects. That's kind of a problem.
But actually ended up at the time getting my girlfriend
pregnant and so my life took a different turn and I needed to
take care of that, so. I, I went into the family
business. My father was a plumber owned
his own business. So I kind of followed in his
footsteps, spent many years doing that, managed another
company in the area, became general manager of that and then
went on to start my own plumbing company in 2017 And and that's
that's kind of the basis of that I I don't know if there's any
questions there how we roll, but you know from there.
I guess I had my midlife crisis and and after being successful
as a plumber, you know, I kind of look back and I said, well,
you know, I'm kind of pushing paper right now.
I think I'll, you know, go back into doing, you know, maybe
something more creative, something that I wanted to do.
So I I started a satire page in Farmington, actually called the
Farmington Tribune. And we would put out just fake
stories, some of them funny. Some of them were very based in.
Reality that doesn't get discussed a lot of times you
could you could kind of cloak things within a within a dark
joke sometimes. So that again that was that was
very popular lots of viral posts one of the major ones that got
reported on by 9 news in Denver was we had said that they were
going to remove the Big Blue horse statue in front of DIA
because it had killed somebody so that is.
That the one with the big red eyes.
Yeah, yeah, Blue Surfer, they call it.
So you know, that one went nuts. The very viral.
You know, another story that went viral.
As we said, the governor of New Mexico, Michelle Luon Grisham,
was going to make Ramadan, a state holiday that went nuts.
Another one, I said that local officials from the Department of
Game and Fish were smuggling marijuana into New Mexico so
that they could sell it and make money for the state budget.
It seems like very plausible. I guess that's how satires is
done best. Well, yeah.
And that probably has a lot to do with why I got into real
journalism. You know, one of the reasons is
is just because you write satire long enough, you start watching
it come true and and you're making stuff up.
But boy, it's it's been a wild three years and and and that
it's funny because when when people would say that they were
fake news stories. I would tell him no, no, This
has been independently verified by the Armenian Council for
Truth and Journalism and that was just kind of a sarcastic
joke and and you can go check that there's there's still an
article up from 9 News where they quoted me as saying that
one was still anonymous. And and they had no, they had no
ability to go and Fact Check that themselves.
Well, no, they. I mean, they understood that it
was funny and I even had a fake. You know separate page set up
that talked about how the council was founded at the foot
of Mount Ararat when you know Noah disembarked from New York.
It was it was a whole thing and and you know so that so they
would go with it. And I just I told 9 news at the
time I said as far as I know your stories are not accredited
accredited by the A/C TJ So I cast a shadow of doubt on the
assertion that your stories are anything other than fake news.
So it was all very fun and tongue in cheek but.
That actually ended up leading me, you know, after making those
jokes when I started my media company, Tribune Media
International, in 2019, the first trip or the first idea I
had was to go to Armenia and you know, kind of satirically go
find the Council for Truth and Journalism.
So. So that's what I did.
That trip is like a whole story in and of itself, very eye
opening kind of. Came face to face with some of
the realities of, you know, human trafficking and slavery in
that region of the world. So that had a profound effect on
me, to say the least. When I came back, the next trip
was actually to the UK and so I spent some time over there,
Ireland, Scotland. So that would have been early
2020 was when I was in the UK and when I got back from that
trip in. Man, it was.
It was probably mid February, as I recall when I got back from
that trip. You know, we were watching what
was going on with with the scam, demick and everything.
And at the time, the plan was actually to go to Ukraine in the
summer. I was planning on going to
Ukraine, spending at least two months there.
But you know, the world shut down, things changed.
And I I wound up getting wrapped up into American politics or
domestic matters. Spent a lot of time covering
Black Lives Matter protests and riots in Denver.
I had correspondence really all over the world and and the
country that would send me an information or live stream
journalism at the time. And so, you know, I was deep
into that, you know, understanding what was going on
there. You know, seeing a lot of
incitement, you know, bad actors on both sides, good actors on
all sides too. And so, you know, after the
election, that's what, you know, led me to go and cover things in
DC and around the country as far as the mag of protests.
You mentioned political protests.
You mentioned sort of your your lens a little bit that you've
got people from both sides and you know, that's an interesting,
nuanced position. What's your political bent?
Oh, my political bent is I don't like politicians.
That's fair. That leave you as far as you
know, is there a major party you identify with or upper or lower
case? No, I I've always been
independent, always will be independent.
I have no desire or need to join a political party.
It's just not something I was ever interested in.
I voted for people in all parties over the years to be
honest. So you know, I'm not.
I think, I think you know obviously after you know getting
wrapped in January 6th and all of that, you know, there was
definitely. False information or I guess I
would say incomplete information.
As far as to what my political ideology is, I've often told
people that philosophically I'm an anarchist, you know, now
pragmatically I'm a constitutionalist.
So sometimes the that kind of concept or nuance is difficult
for people to understand. But you know, that's after years
of of thinking about the matter, thinking about freedom, a big
fan of. Tolstoy and his writings, So
those are highly influential into my thinking and and just
really trying to be as a journalist, trying to tell both
sides of the story, regardless of any biases I may have.
And I and I do try to put that aside, you know.
Obviously it doesn't always work out, but I try to at least be
honest about that as well. Do you think there's a lot of
plumbers that read Tolstoy? You know I don't know The thing
is I there there probably is more than people realize.
You know, I was kind of remarking on this because some
of the recent news that's come out about UAP disclosure or
otherwise and there was a, there was a gentleman that was part of
the Greer kind of disclosure conference in DCA few weeks ago.
What is UAP? Unidentified Anomalous
phenomena. So you know UFO's and things
like that. But there was a, there was an
HVAC guy and and he worked out at the South Pole Station in
Antarctica. And, you know, a lot of people
that I've spoken to about his testimony where he was actually
discussing the idea of the South Pole Station being used as, you
know, an earthquake machine. You know, a lot of people I've
spoken to, they said that he would be in a position to kind
of see past the compartmentalization.
And admittedly, people who are in those trades understand a lot
of engineering principles. You know, whether it's
electrical, fluid dynamics, you know, so all these different
things. So it's like science is all
wrapped up in that industry as well.
So you know, I think there's more, you know, to get back to
the question. I think there's probably more
intellectual tradesmen than people realize.
I think you're correct. And we just had one a moment ago
on our show talking about that and and he was an HVAC guy.
And so historically reporters have come from blue collar
backgrounds. They have sort of a fundamental
understanding of how the world works, right.
And then they go out there and they report on it For everyday
people who are often times tradesmen and things like that,
what was the transition that got you in that you went from
writing satirical, you know, did you, did you have some real push
impetus or was it just the natural evolution when you were
dealing with that? Well, yeah, I think there was,
there was. It's like it was meant to
happen. I I often speak about you know,
divine Providence or retro causal effects where it almost
seems like things are laid out it before you in a certain
aspect. It was interesting if you talk
about the blue collar part of that story early on in 2016 my
neighborhood in Farmington, NM didn't have any water because
the local water company. Was having issues.
So a friend of mine, we actually said, well, nobody else is
looking into this, so we went and investigated it.
I actually went to the water treatment plant, acted like I
owned the place, said I was there to do an inspection and I
did an inspection and then I released all that information
publicly. Sorry, I just that that's the
classic ruse and it seems like you have an instinct on how to
do that. I keep talking to people that
claim to be journalists that have no idea how to.
How to get information in a way that is creative, Let's call it.
Well, yeah, I mean, look, I mean that it's funny.
And I think that's part of it too.
You know, when you troubleshoot complex systems, you have to
have an understanding of complex systems.
You're dealing with a lot of different components that can go
bad. So you're kind of trying to
paint an understanding of a very, you know, complicated
picture. And that's and so I think all of
those skills, you know, as an analyst.
Play into being a journalist and then just my desire to really
help people. I mean that's that's a genuine
desire. You know, I have a desire to
tell the truth. You know, as I mentioned, the
trip to Armenia was life changing.
I had heard things about human trafficking and even had some
even more personal experiences in that regard prior to going
there. But to kind of just see the
amount of money that goes into that industry, I guess that was
what was somewhat shocking. You know that it's interesting.
Last night I was just speaking to an expert on human
trafficking and and that's what she was saying is a major
misconception is that people just think it's the elites.
It's, it's, but it's not. It's a massive, you know, global
business and it's slavery and it's and it's very dark.
So I think that plays a lot into why I wanted to get more
serious. Obviously I saw things turning
South in Ukraine, which is why I wanted to go over there.
I wanted to spend some time in the dumb boss.
And and investigate that and speak to the people on the
ground and learn more about them.
You know, I'm very fascinated with Eastern Europe in general
as far as lessons that America can learn about, you know, how
to survive the collapse of an empire.
Because I think we've got to look around at the world and say
things are not going well for the United States right now on
this July 4th. You know, we've got a lot of
tough. We got a lot of tough times
ahead. Yeah, I think that I think
that's a sobering look at it. So let's let's discuss maybe
America and then maybe the lessons we can take in from what
you've seen outside. For starters, you were one of
the people covering the events that happened on January 6th.
I saw that your your bio says something about Gonzo
journalism. Can you tell people what Gonzo
is and and how you see yourself in your role as a journalist?
Well, Gonzo journalism, I mean, it goes back to creative ways of
finding the truth. I mean, to go full gonzo, you
pretty much inject yourself into a story and you roll with it.
It's modeled off of the work of the great doctor of journalism,
Hunter S Thompson. He's a.
Doctor of Journalism. Man, yeah, that's right.
That's right. You know, but but that's, you
know, his style of telling a story was always my favorite.
You know, even when we talk about Matt Taibbi, you know,
being a big inspiration as well, growing up, I would read his
work in Rolling Stone and I and I always appreciated the kind of
raw honesty aspect of it. So that's something I tried to
model in myself. And then when you're doing live
stream journalism again, it's it's to your advantage to just
get into it. It's like I say, you know, when
I was embedded essentially with Proud Boys throughout the three
different protests in DCI was down in Atlanta and Phoenix as
well. You know if you're if you're
just kind of hanging out with them, drinking beers and having
a good time, you learn a lot 1 way or the other.
And so that was very important to me, you know to get that
truth out, especially after spending a summer covering BLM
protests and trying to kind of humanize a lot of that.
While people were making threats, you know, these kids
were standing in the street making their voices heard.
And for whatever it's worth and people are going out, we're
going to run them over. We want blood on the streets and
it just gets it just gets insane.
And I saw the same thing going on where.
When I when I ran into Proud Boys on November 14th, I didn't
know a whole lot about them. I only knew what the media
reports were, and I saw a completely different picture.
I saw people who had lots of different political ideologies,
who came from blue collar backgrounds, who weren't
racists, who weren't white supremacists.
And I thought that was a story that needed to be told.
So, you know, that's that's really what I did.
And it was that work that led me all the way inside the Capitol
on January 6th. You mentioned that they're not
white supremacists. They have different ideologies.
They're not racists. Why do you think the smear has
been that that bent? And and by the way, I I've seen,
I've seen this done inside the FBI, they've actually said these
things. So how did that catch on?
Well, I think, look, let's, if if we're being very honest
there, there are white supremacist Proud Boys.
But I think that that also speaks to their overall ideology
that they struggled with as an organization where they wanted
to be pro free speech, free speech, absolutist.
That's part of their tenants. And and so I know that there
were struggles about that, about how to deal with people who
were, you know, white supremacists or otherwise.
And you know, that was why their general attitude was to just not
talk to the press. I think that that probably hurt
them on a on a PR level in some respects.
But again, that's their decision.
And then the other thing is, I think it's just advantageous for
a controlled left wing media. To paint any opposition to their
agenda as somehow being extreme. So you think it's a left wing
prerogative to to put that out there?
Well, yeah. And and from a, I mean if you
step back and you look at it from 100,000 foot view, you
know, this is something that I've spoken about a lot is the
work of Yuri Bezmanoff, the defected K GB officer who worked
on ideological subversion and trying to destroy the United
States at the behest of the Soviet Union.
And what he spoke about was the way that they would use kind of
progressive leftist push, you know, a push in that direction
to actually incite the right wing into violence and overthrow
the government, which would destabilize the entire country.
And the USSR wins. And I think we're still dealing
with that. So you have a lot of people who
are behaving in ways that are against their own best
interests, and they don't even know it.
And that's, and that's what's really sad is we're seeing that
last stage of the ideological subversion campaign.
Can you give an example of people acting against their
their interests? January 6th.
OK, great example. Yeah, let's, let's talk about
that. So you're there on the ground.
How did people act against their best interest in on that day?
Well, I think a lot of people went there, especially later,
just to make their voices heard. Didn't understand, and they got
sucked into something that was much bigger than them.
You know, I've kind of, you know, I know that there's
different things that have come out.
You know, obviously a lot of the work that I've done with
Condemned USA and and just in the overall investigation, you
know, knowing that there were people from DHS there, there
were other undercovers there. But you know, from my
perspective from what I see right now, I'm not seeing
entrapment. What I'm seeing is flocking
behavior. In human beings where you know
you could call that mob mentality or anything else like
that where they just get sucked into the emotion of the moment
and and they behave in ways that are outside of their character.
And that was not in their best interest.
Because in the end it's like I said even in my allocution
statement to my judge in my case I said I said that that you
know, people did not behave. That's just a fact and that
doesn't excuse all of the other bad actors or bad policing that
we saw. You know, DC Metro has a long,
long history of really unacceptable behavior.
But but it shut down any legitimate investigation of the
vote. And so I think that that was a
huge problem. And that's what I and then
again, that's what I told my judge.
I said I didn't benefit from that.
So if you're looking for somebody who wanted that to
happen, it wasn't me. You know, I I didn't want that
to happen. And people can believe it or
not, but, you know, I wouldn't even have gone into the building
if I wasn't there as a journalist.
If I had been there with my family, I would have said this
is a mess and we need to leave, you know.
But after covering all this stuff for months, again, I'm not
scared of tear gas, you know, I'm not scared of pepper spray.
You just, I'm gonna go. On record, I I I am scared of
tear gas. It's my least favorite thing it
makes. Me look like a mess.
No. It's it's no, it's it's it's not
fun. But you know, and and for me,
it, it wasn't a fun day. It never was.
I mean, I've often remarked after leaving that, you know,
when when everybody was getting crushed inside of the Rotunda,
when police were shoving them out, you know, I looked up at
the eye and I was like, this might be the last thing I ever
see. Now people may think that that's
kind of like extreme or you know, dramatic.
Maybe it was, but in the moment, you know, I'm looking at the
situation. People are getting crushed.
You have cops and protesters begging each other to make some
room. There was a woman that had
gotten thrown to the ground, and I was trying to help push people
away from her to make room for her.
You know, there was a there was a lot of ways for people to die
that day. And, you know, to this day, I'm
just thankful that it that the death toll wasn't more than what
it ended up. So Steve Baker, who we discussed
kind of off camera, he goes by the pragmatic constitutionalist
or the used to be the pragmatic libertarian.
And Steve Baker calls it the greatest political messaging
victory in history, something to that effect.
What do you make of that? And if you were to zoom out to
the 30,000 foot view and look at January 6th, what do you see as
the sort of the big pieces that were moving, taken away from the
individual stories? Well, I think the big pieces
that we're moving is that I would often call the, you know,
Reichstag 2.0. The Democrat Party used it to
demonize their political opponents 100%.
When we reach a time in this country where they felt that it
was necessary to spend time and resources from the Department of
Justice to come after me when migrate crime there, which
admittedly was a breach of objectivity, you know, was
saying brothers stand with us to a Capitol Police officer that's
that's what I did. That's what they use central to
my prosecution, which I, again, I admit, you know, when you look
at the letter of the law, sure, we can interpret it that way.
Fine, okay, I'm guilty. But it's just it it doesn't
shine brightly on freedom of speech.
And I think we've seen lots of other political protests
throughout the years. And I think that America would
be better served by finding ways to be lenient in those
situations. But they can't do that.
And I and it doesn't do anything to legitimize the Biden
administration. When you have people like myself
who are convinced that the election was stolen and rigged
and and then you have people who might not be sure, you know,
they might be going back and forth.
It doesn't really matter what happened because what you have
now is an illegitimate government.
Because because so many people don't ascribe any legitimacy to
it. So it's like Machiavelli said,
if, you know, it's better to be feared than loved, if you can't
do you know, have both. So you know, I think that's the
situation that the Biden administration is in is that
they have to exact a certain amount of fear into their
opposition. And honestly, it's having a
very, very good effect for the most part.
Let's be honest, you don't see right wing protests.
They're being successful at what they've they've put out there,
is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, I think, you know,
again, yeah, it has been successful messaging.
Obviously, there's plenty of people who are convinced that a
violent insurrection occurred. I I don't see it as that.
You know, it was definitely a riot, but it was not an
insurrection. You know, people often make the
joke and they say, well, where were the guns?
And I know that there were some weapons there that have been
found, you know, throughout the process.
But when when I consider kind of the hyperbole that I hear from,
you know, my some of my more right wing friends, you know
that it's like, well, it's just hyperbole at some point.
And and you know, I don't know, I think it all just increases
the division. I think that there's people in
the Democratic Party who think that it works out well for them.
But in the end, all I see is that, you know, those actions
further destabilize our country. And when you say it works out
for them, it moves their political agenda.
But it sounded like your your belief is that actually ends up
being a big backswing which gets to a fully destabilized state
which actually doesn't benefit them and they all.
Yeah, I think we've seen that throughout history.
You know, the pendulum will swing when it swings hard to the
left, as it did in Weimar, Germany prior to Hitler's
takeover. It's it's swung very hard back
to the right. It went straight to traditional
values and loading people up and sending them to the
concentration camps. So I could see it going the
other way. Really bad.
People get really upset when you start making analogies to to the
Nazi party to what happened in 1930s Germany.
And yet that seems like the the most logical conclusion to look
at what we have going on right now.
I keep, I keep making them because I I'm a free speech kind
of absolutist as well. I'm fine with people who are
actual Nazis talking and and I would actually interview an
actual Nazi if that's what they. If they if there's someone
that's still around from that Republic, or if they're a Neo
Nazi, I'll talk to them too, because I think their ideas are
bad and they should be exposed. But what do you think the
pushback is that is making people try to selfcensor from
discussing it in these terms? Well, everybody feels as though
they're surveilled. You know, we've seen the rise of
all these secure messaging apps, which I don't really think are
all that secure. And so people are selfcensoring.
They don't, they don't want to speak out.
They don't want to, you know, tell everyone what they think.
We haven't seen any large protests, even though, you know,
we're seeing traditional values continue to be eroded.
And and again, I'm not somebody who's hyperconservative by any
stretch of the imagination, but I do understand that as a
society, you need to have a certain amount of traditional
value in older in order to hold yourself together.
Whether people like it or not, the United States is an empire.
And and you don't have a declining empire work out well
for the peasants, so to speak. It just, it just never turns out
well. So, you know, again, I think
that it's it's immensely important for people to use
their First Amendment, You know, that's why even through
everything I went through, you know, being prosecuted, I I
really refused to shut up the entire time because that was all
I had left. There was a possibility if I had
gone to trial, convicted on all four charges that, you know, I
would go and spend at least a year in prison.
You know, so I knew that that was going to effectively silence
me. So it was very important for me
to keep speaking. And in the end, I use the
allocution process and and my statements to the judge at
sentencing to bring up the fact that there's evidence to suggest
that Roseanne Boylan was murdered.
You know, I think you know that that's how you speak truth to
power. There's a way to do it.
And and it has to be peaceful. That's I think that's what
people don't recognize. And all that is like the power
of what Gandhi did in India when you talk about peaceful non
compliance. And that I think that that that
the right wing of America could learn a lot from that they could
honestly learn a lot from the hippie movement in the 60s and
how effective that was. You have to be smart and you
have to be peaceful and you have to be willing to be punished and
hurt. And maybe even killed for saying
the wrong thing. Because if you're dealing with a
regime that has no respect for your inalienable right to speak,
that's that's what you have to do.
Let's talk about that a little further.
I had another question I was going to bring back because you
mentioned about the votes and I want to do, I want to come back
to the 2020 election. But before we do that, let's,
let's continue down that path now.
Peaceable resistance. Martin Luther King, civil
rights, the heavy movement and what we saw, you know, Gandhi
doing, resisting the British Empire.
How do you see those kind of lessons?
Specifically how like what specific tactics would you
recommend to people that are trying to make their voice heard
on the right? I think there's nothing wrong
with gathering in the streets, nothing at all.
I think that is, things continue to devolve if if there is no
action from Congress. To really address any of these
issues and people feel as though the elections are rigged, what
else do you have? You know, and I think that
Americans who really feel that strongly about the situation our
country's in right now, you know, I often say, well, they,
you know, they always want to go to the Second Amendment and they
want to get violent. And, you know, that's the
rhetoric you hear. But I still contend that if
you're not willing to just be peaceful and be murdered for
your freedom, then maybe you're not that serious about it.
You know, Joe Biden talks about, you know, oh, you better have
some F sixteens and people will joke about all they want.
But, you know, I have a lot of friends in the military and the
general consensus is that if the military is ordered to go after
American citizens, they're probably going to do it.
You know, that's that's you've got to understand the
battlefield that you're playing on.
You know, this is simple art of war fundamentals where if you
know yourself. And you know, your enemy, you're
going to be successful 100% of the time.
But if you don't know yourself and you don't know your enemy,
you're going to lose in every battle.
And right now, with the way the grassroots America, you know,
kind of MAGA America is approaching it, I'm not sure
they really understand themselves.
So it's 5050. In a lot of ways.
I think that they have a relatively good understanding of
their opposition in this, you know, and really the opposition
to America. But until they start
understanding how their own actions will be weaponized
against them, I don't see much change.
Let me play a little devil's advocate.
This country, unlike many, well like many I guess, was founded
on a violent revolution. We had to overthrow a a British
crown, one of the strongest empires in the history of the
world, and was successful in doing so.
Is there a lesson to be learned that shows that this is
different? Or that you know what?
Why was Why is nonviolence the tactic that should be most
successful? Well, I think a lot of it has to
do with the kinds of weapons that we're dealing with right
now. I think it's important for
people to remember that whatever they show you isn't even close
to what they have. That's just the reality.
I, you know, there's there's some very scary things out
there. We've already seen, you know,
bio weapons and there's a million different conspiracy
theories. Some are valid, some are not
about capability. I know earlier we mentioned
earthquake machines, you know, there.
The science is pretty solid behind that, theoretically so.
You know, I don't, I don't really have any doubt to that
effect. There's just a lot of ways for
these corporate entities that have really taken our government
over to hurt us if they so choose.
We we know the ties between the World Economic Forum and various
compartments of our government. It's it's not a good situation.
So when you look at it and you say, OK, violent revolution, I
think you also have to look back to 1776.
You have to look back to 1773, you have to look back to the
olive branch petition. All of these things that
preceded that final Declaration of Independence and in the end,
and in the end, even the Declaration of Independence
itself was a peaceful act. Now you know, the King of
England could have at any point, said Okay.
That's fine. I don't, I don't want any of
that. But it was setting up a
defensive boundary. It was not taking offensive
action necessarily, and I think that that's a good line for
people to maintain. Within this entire atmosphere
ideologically is that is that that's fine you set up defenses.
I know that everybody you know holds the Second Amendment to be
sacred. But again that goes back to you
know, I don't like going to the to the discussion of Second
Amendment until we fully exercised our first.
So I guess I guess that's that's my take on that.
Is the. And then the other thing is,
violent revolution is very rarely successful at winning the
peace afterward. When you look back at the scope
of history, the fact that the United States was able to kind
of come together and hold itself together for so long after a
violent revolution, that's a miracle.
That's a miracle. Usually you have a revolution,
and then someone else comes into the power vacuum afterwards, and
the people who were revolutionaries get murdered.
And people forget there was a War of 1812.
It wasn't like the everything was established.
It's like, well, they just came back again, you know, half
generation later, a generation later decided to push again.
So it's not like the British gave up on it and many people
don't realize it at any moment. All that stuff could have
collapsed, obviously. Yeah, yeah.
I think, you know, there's just a lot of things to consider.
So it's like, you know, get back to that.
It's just, you know, it's it's about being wise.
It's about understanding the battlefield that you're on.
You know, that's the first thing.
So you you mentioned going to the First Amendment before the
second. I think that's I think that's an
interesting point. And then on top of that, there's
a messaging campaign that was successful in 1776 and prior,
which was essentially establishing a moral high
ground. I think that's what I'm hearing
you say. And it seems like the political
left is very good at doing that, using the first to be able to
set themself up as the moral high ground.
Are you saying that the, that the people on the right are
actually failing in that manner in some ways?
Yeah, I think they are. I think they are.
You know, I, I'll mention it because there were a lot of J6
documentaries that went around. The one that I worked on which
was Bloody Hill, which was put out by, you know, Dave
Summerall, stophate.com Trina Sevens that I work with that
condemned USA and actually 107 you know the the 1:00 we put out
was less of a documentary and I've always said it's more of a
propaganda film and I think it's, I think it's important to
use propaganda effectively to win hearts and minds.
And I think that that's where the right has generally failed.
I mean, make you, we can sit back now and watch the Biden
administration fail. And I suppose you win certain
hearts and minds while that failure occurs.
But I think you need to be more proactive.
You need to explain people why traditional values are
important. You have to explain to people
why civil War would be really bad.
And I think that if that was more central to messaging, you
know, maybe more. Coming together and
understanding that America is a melting pot of a lot of
different ideologies and cultures and backgrounds, You
know, I think that's our strength as a country, as a
Republic. And so that's, you know, if I
have my other hearts and mind, you know, we should lean into.
And I honestly, you know, that's definitely the spin I try to put
on just about every story I put up.
All right. Let's do 2020 a little bit.
Let's talk about why you believe and you feel very confident.
You said there's some people that are on the fence.
There's some people that are that are convinced.
Why are you in the convinced category that's 20/20 was not a
fair, legitimate election? Well, you know, I've seen a
certain amount of the analysis that was done by people like
Dave Clements and a lot of those people in that group.
As it's mentioned, I have many, many good friends at high levels
in the intelligence community and that's their opinion based
off things I've. I've heard stories that would
blow people's minds that I won't get into, but I think that
there's. There's problems there.
And and honestly, again, whether or not, you know, this is kind
of where I get to it because it doesn't matter if it was really
stolen. People think it was stolen.
So that's a psychological problem that's going to have to
be addressed one way or the other.
And if the Democrats aren't interested in addressing that,
and if establishment Republicans aren't interested in addressing
that, you know, you kind of go, well, why is that?
You know, elections have been rigged as far back as anybody
can remember. I mean, to me that this wasn't
the first time, you know, perhaps it was, you know, more
egregious than other others in history.
But you know, it it certainly wasn't the first time they used
to do it with paper ballots. And honestly, I think that had a
lot to do with why we moved away from paper ballots.
It's my opinion that Al Gore won the 2000 election, you know, So,
you know, I just think it's a continuation and the and the
problem is, is that it just. Further destabilizes.
It delegitimizes our government and destabilizes our country.
So that's why it has to be addressed one way or the other.
And when I see people who don't want to address it, I I I tend
to wonder if they're in on it or if they're benefiting from it in
some way. I guess that was my next
question. We noticed that the Republicans
are not really addressing the January 6th problems.
They're not going out there and and campaigning on it.
Why do you think they? Why do you?
Why do you attribute that as a political loser for them?
Because it seems to be the way they're they're treating it.
Well, I think their attitude is it's a political loser because
in some ways it is. In some ways it is.
A lot of people that I've spoken to outside of the January 6th
kind of circle of influence. You know, people within that
circle think it's a very important story, and I think it
is. It's hard to communicate to
people how important it is sometimes.
But you know, Republicans are going to continue to stray away
from that as much as possible. You know, I think that we see a
certain hawkish attitude from certain members of Congress and
leadership in the Republican Party that are very happy to
continue leading us into World War 3IN Ukraine, You know, so
that's that's on the top of their agenda.
And then the other thing is a lot of people are just paid off.
That's that's the reality. A lot of people are paid off.
You know, when we look at everything that happened, you
know, Sam Bateman free the FTX scandal, you know, where we had.
Funds going over to Ukraine and then kind of working their way
right back and and you watch, you know, money get dumped into
the pockets of McCarthy and others.
You know, you go, well, what's going on there?
Can you prove anything based off of those circumstances that you
know, you know is, you know, definitive?
No, not really. You probably could if you
investigated it with subpoena power but.
We're not. Seeing that, yeah, yeah.
So you touched earlier on Roseanne Boylan, you want to
kind of flesh out your your take on that.
I know you wrote a piece about it, so let's maybe talk about
that. Yeah, I know Tommy Tatum.
He's he's a guy who was there that day at the tunnel.
He's been very outspoken from the get go.
Do you mind setting the scene too for people?
Kind of visual, you know, top down, where are we at in the in
the protest, where we at in the timeline so people can really
understand this? Because I think a lot of people
don't. Yeah, I'm trying to remember the
exact timeline and I wasn't in that specific area, but it was
after, you know, there there had been crowd control, munitions
getting fired into the crowd and the crowd was very agitated and
people were trying to get into the building, trying to get into
the tunnel. There were confrontations with
police going back and forth between protesters and or
rioters and and others. And so it was, it was, it was a
horrible situation, really, really dangerous situation and
you know. It seems after looking at video
listening to those that were there, you know that at some
point you know Roseanne passed out and you know she was in
danger. And you know the the prevailing
narrative or attitude is you know they even said she
overdosed on methamphetamine which you know wasn't true.
You know that came out in the autopsy and and you know then
then you know you have Lila Morris on video just.
You know, beating her. Now is Lila Morris.
Lila Morris is a Metro Police officer, DC Metro Police
Officer. They they honored her after
January 6th as one of the heroes along with Fanone.
And you know, that's, you know, I didn't see heroic action there
to be really honest. Whether or not it was her
beating of Roseanne that led to her death, we will never know
because Roseanne's body has been cremated.
Was that the family's choice? Nope.
Who made that decision? That was that decision was made
by DC interesting. So, so that was and that was
really all of the bodies from the day, you know, they were all
cremated. You know they they wanted to
conduct a real quick look at it, kind of a cursory examination so
that they could release something to the public and then
move on from it. You know it's it's egregious.
There should have been more investigation into it and and
frankly without the body, I'm sure you would know from.
Your work, it's very difficult. So, you know, that's that's
where we're at. You know, Tommy Tatum was in
court that day and I'm trying to even, you know, gosh, I I write
too much. But, you know, that was kind of
the central thing was that he get up, he got up during that
hearing and he said I saw her, I saw her murdered.
Now that's under oath. So people can take that for
whatever it's worth. I think you would even agree
that eyewitness testimony is often times quite unreliable.
But I think I think that it. It just kind of paints a more
nuanced picture and I think if the media was being honest, they
would be more inclined to look at that nuance and.
We're not seeing that. We don't see a media that seems
particularly interested in anything other than sort of
parroting talking points. I I see that from my position.
Would it surprise you to know that when I was working in DC,
none of my friends had a reliable contact that they
thought was both honest and reputable at DC Metro?
None of. Them wouldn't surprise me at
all. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
We put out an article at Condemned U sa.org that talked
about the legacy of brutality when it comes to DC Metro.
Very corrupt. Very corrupt.
Going all the way up to Yogananda Pittman, who was the
chief of intelligence it seems. I know.
You know, I Yeah, well that. Yeah.
Well, yeah. Capitol Police.
Sorry, that's my bad. But I I kind of fast forwarded
in my mind. I understand.
But yeah, I mean, obviously they work together all the time, all,
all protests that take place around the Capitol, which are,
you know, we generally speaking. Yeah, I think something that's
interesting that actually a friend of mine pointed out to
me, and I can't remember his first name.
But Officer Tao, a lot of people have said that he was the DC
Metro officer that made the decision to start firing less
than lethal munitions into the crowd on January 6th.
And there was a really interesting.
I wouldn't call it an altercation, but definitely a
tense interaction between he and a a kind of, you know, prominent
member of Proud Boys out of Portland on December 12th.
And that's what a lot of people don't see in the entire scope of
things either, is that it was an increasingly tense situation
between the police and between, you know, right wing protesters,
including Proud Boys who've been there demonstrating, dealing
with violence against, you know, Magga supporters for for months
on end. And no real response from the
police. So it was kind of it was it was
primed and ready to blow on January 6th.
And that's that's really what happened.
You know, again the the things that happened at the tunnel are
egregious, you know, from a lot of different perspectives.
You know there were a lot of bad actors on both sides in my
opinion. And that's not that's not what
we would like to see in this country.
We would like to see, you know, peaceful redress of grievances,
but that doesn't that doesn't absolve.
Bad actors from the from the police, from responsibility.
Especially now when we're, we're talking about, you know, just
destroying so many people's lives over misdemeanor crimes,
which is, you know, even even the special agent that handled
my case, you know, he told me. He said this is a giant waste of
time and money. That's interesting that they
acknowledge. Where was that agent out of?
He was out of Farmington. Oh yeah, yeah.
I released the video. By the way.
Oh, well, see. So Albuquerque is the is the
field office, Farmington is the satellite office of the resident
agency. And you don't have to tell me
what we'll talk offline about the the name of the agent
because there's some decent, really decent human beings out
there that I've dealt with. I was like I said I was looking
at going out there at some point.
So I I kind of dug into him and the supervisor was 100, he
retired sort of in protest. He planned on being on there
longer and you may know that he may end up being a sheriff out
there at some point around some family members of yours.
Yeah, yeah, they were. You know, that's something I'm
always I I always like to mention in this, a lot of people
have their homes raided, their doors broken down, the whole 9
yards. And the special agent who was
handling my particular case, I'll always be thankful for him
for really kind of taking a stand for me in that situation
where when the order came down from the Department of Justice
that I was going to be arrested. They did tell him.
They they told him that they wanted him to do the whole shock
and awe, Michael Sherwin garbage.
And and he just told them no. He said Sean will turn himself
in. I'm not going to do that to him.
So he gave me a call and I turned myself in.
And it was, you know, it was peaceful.
He took me down to the the prison there in Grants, NM and
you know, I I got processed and I was out, you know, And so that
all went off without a hitch. And it wouldn't have happened
that way if it hadn't been for his wisdom in the situation.
Let's talk about people taking a stand on that, knowing that the
system does a certain thing. But.
You can be compliant and do what you're told from DC or you can
do what I would say is the right thing and and allow you to
surrender. We're not seeing that happen all
over the place. What do you attribute that to in
the in the agent that you dealt with?
Well, you know, again, you know, I had done satire in the area
for years. Some of that satire had already
made certain politicians very angry.
So, you know, it was, it's my understanding that I had been
investigated a couple of times, you know, as being the anonymous
owner of this satirical news site.
So I think that there was a certain amount of, you know,
they knew me and even in that community there was a fair
amount of love for me. So it would have been really,
really bad within the community for them to do that.
You know, I obviously had the ability to project a certain
amount of that, you know, maybe not as much as some, but
locally, yeah, it would have been projected and everybody
would have seen it and they would have had to deal with
blowback because of that. So even if he wasn't, you know,
100% on board, I think that that was wise.
In that particular situation, but I, you know, honestly, you
know, my dealings with the FBI there locally, they were as
positive as they could be. They were respectful the entire
time. And again, I was honest.
I never ran away from the fact that I was there.
You know, I gave a very early interview to them, told them
everything that I saw what I knew whole 9 yards.
Because even at that time I knew that there was squirrely things
that needed to be investigated. So again, that's, you know,
that's what it is. I I think in some ways, you
know, there's probably some people that you don't have a
choice, if I'm being very, very honest.
But most of those are not going to be misdemeanors and you know,
but but again that brings us back to the whole thing.
Gosh, you know, why are we even going after people for
misdemeanors? I think that that has made going
after some of the more violent. Actions that occurred on that
day that much more difficult. So you know, I I I as usual on
most subjects I can have one of 17 different minds.
That makes sense. And and when you say it makes it
more difficult to go after those who are violent, you're saying
it legitimizes the entire process from your view.
Sure, sure. I mean, I think that there's a,
there's narratives on both sides of the political spectrum that
have taken over and I don't think either one of them are
particularly accurate, so. If if they had been more
reasonable and pragmatic with going after people who did
engage in violence with police, than those cases would have
gotten more attention. There wouldn't have been, as you
know, this kind of shift away from other matters that are very
concerning, you know. So I again, it just comes down
to, you know, really poor allocation of resources.
And do you think that's nefarious or something else?
Well, you know, you could probably speak to this as well
as anybody. When it comes to the government,
it's hard to figure out what's planned and you know what's
incompetence, you know, So it's, you know, there's a lot of money
involved, there's politics involved.
Sure, there's nefarious actors within that, but then there's
plenty of others just like on January 6th that didn't have
nefarious intention that get just kind of sucked into the
into the into a situation that's a much bigger than they are so.
And I think again that that comes down to looking at each
case individually. You you really have to, you
can't just paint the entire day with a broad stroke and expect
there to be any truth. We're going to be talking about
January 6th for the rest of my lifetime probably.
And you know that's that's not something I'm particularly
thrilled about, but that's how it is sometimes.
When I was talking to Steve Baker, I mentioned I did a
podcast called The American Rorschach Test, which is what I
think January 6th is. How does that sit with you as a
metaphor? Kind of elaborate on that a
little bit. Well, the Rorschach test is the
classic inkblot. And so people put a spot of
eight down, they fold over the paper, it shows you some sort of
some sort of image, and then they do psychological profiles
based on what people see in it. And I think there's something
there about January 6th. Yeah, I think that's accurate.
Yeah, that's that's probably a very good way to look at it.
You know, I know that, you know, there's been a lot of discussion
about whether antifa was involved and I've kind of pushed
back against that a lot. I never saw much to suggest that
yet Bobby Powell's video, he, you know, I've talked to Bobby a
lot about that and you know, we have a difference of opinion for
sure. I've had people send me that
video. What do you what do you think
that they think it shows? And what do you think that it
shows from your end? I mean, look, if you're going to
speculate, it could show just about anything to those guys
look like they could be fed boys of some sort.
I mean, sure, I I still don't think that you're going to see
much direct. Evidence of that I think even
when you look at, you know, DHS or other things like if if there
were and and again I have good sources that have told me that
there were different intelligence operations there
that day that I trust. And I've, I've reported on that
since, you know, January 20th of 2021.
But those would be compartmentalized and there's
not going to be a paper trail. I mean I think people have a
misunderstanding about how all of that works.
Yes, and. People definitely have a
misunderstanding. Yeah, well, it's intended to
stay clandestine. So whatever was going on there,
if there were clandestine, you know, activities and operations
there, I mean, good luck getting that information because without
the Director of National Intelligence signing off on
declassifying that information, nobody's going to know about it.
That's how that works. And human intelligence, even
unclassified stuff, ends up hidden away.
Sources and methods get buried for 25 years or 50 years,
depending on how you want to. Yeah.
And even the DOJ right now because I was trying to FOIA,
you know some some communications that apparently
occurred between FBI and other sections of the US Attorney's
office and my former attorney that they don't want to disclose
to me and that's that's pretty much what they say is all.
Well, this is confidential. So that's another fight that I'm
going through with them right now.
So yeah, I mean trying to peel back those layers of a very.
Smelly Onion is is difficult and and that goes back to
leadership. I have often said when it comes
to January 6th and all the abuses that we see in the
aftermath, there's going to have to be a political solution.
You know, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the judiciary
right now. I did a a full podcast
discussing how the Nazis, after the right stock fire, basically
delegitimize the judiciary in order to take on, you know, the
goals that they had to implement those nationwide.
You see the same parallels with that.
Oh yeah, I mean that's what that's what I come back to left
wing or right wing. This isn't good for America.
In a society you're always going to deal with left wing and right
wing forces that's that's as old as the hills.
And so as we again we we delegitimize all these different
institutions. It just it diminishes faith.
And you know, that's why there's kind of a pretty historical
record of 250 year lifespans for different empires.
And we're right on that that today's we're interviewing here
on July 4th, so that's 247 years that's right on that plus or
minus that that that threshold. Yeah, I told a friend of mine
when I was in Ireland, we were actually driving to Dublin in
early 2020, and we were having a discussion.
And I told him that I thought that, you know, America was kind
of primed to head into destabilization, civil war,
perhaps balkanization. And he was kind of shocked and
he said, well why do you think that?
And I said because I live there, right.
And that's I said that's what I'm seeing.
I'm seeing people frustrated. And that was before things got
even really bad. I mean then after 2020 and you
see the whole scam demick, you know come rolling through.
You saw people's businesses lives wrecked.
You know it's it's none of that has been good.
And again I think it all, you know from a from a much.
Larger perspective or agenda it is.
It's 100% to just destabilize our country.
I think that you're probably right.
Let's let's dig a little deeper into sort of journalists role in
January 6th, if you don't mind. So I know Owen Schreyer was
there. I got criticized for sitting
down with him and the you know there's some NBC guy said, you
know this is right now you've got the former FBI agent sitting
down with a man who pled guilty. I was like I said I.
Said KISS Ryan. Mr. Station Hunter himself.
If if Ryan's watching this, I just want to let him.
Well, he needs to. He needs to.
I want his book, but I want it signed by him, so he needs to
send that to me. But that seems fair.
Well, yeah, I want to dig into your story about that.
And then obviously you were covering it too.
So how were journalists treated on January 6th?
And did it matter what position or what perspective you were
coming from? You know, I think there's a few
different attitudes towards that.
In my particular case, as I mentioned, you know, I had a
breach of objectivity, I fully acknowledge that.
And it was and it was on camera, it was live and and I was small
time. So you know, they knew I didn't
have any major money behind me or anything like that to defend
me. So I think that plays into
decision making. You know, obviously there were
more left-leaning journalists there.
You know, it's I don't know what I don't like because I had
witnessed so much of it during the BLM riots was people
claiming to be journalists engaging in riotous behavior.
And then say, hey, I'm pressed. I'm pressed, you know, so that's
not what we want. It's just a real hard line right
there. When it comes to Owen Troyer
himself, you know, always be a fan of Owen Troyer.
I drank a lot of his beer in December 2020, you know, hanging
out in various places. And he's a good guy.
I think his heart's in the right place.
You know, I know that a lot of journalists these days kind of
blur the line between activism and following the story, which
is why I kind of make that. Distinction and say that I was a
gonzo journalist, so there was, there was certainly part of that
to it, you know. But I think with him especially,
you know, never going into the building, there's a reason why
they're going after after Owen. They they really want to draw
that line back to Alex Jones, you know.
And really a lot of that goes back to the Southern Poverty Law
Center, you know a DL, these other organizations that attack
anyone who's kind of oppositional to the George Soros
agenda. So, you know, it is what it is.
You get wrapped up in it. And I think, you know, my
opinion is he was probably wise to plead guilty.
Obviously I did. I think you have to recognize
again the battlefield, you're not going to win in DC.
So until there's change of venue for any of these cases, it's
it's kind of like you, you got to deal with it.
However you deal with it and I think in his case it's it's it's
sad. I don't think it's good for the
1st Amendment. But yeah, it is what it is for
sure. It is the world we're living in.
Let's talk about your case, if you don't mind.
Kind of the calculus that went on.
They charged you with four. You ended up pleading like
guilty to 1. Yeah, yeah, they they, they
offered me a plea agreement very early on.
There was a lot of back and forth.
There's certain parts of that that I don't want to discuss
because it has to do with, you know what, I've already, you
know, certainly alleged in open court was ineffective counsel.
There's so much. I mean, look, I mean, I think
you probably know the DOJ is going to sit there.
They're going to watch your bank account while they carry their
prosecution forward. And they watch you start to
struggle. They watch your business fail.
You know, they watch you have to sell your house as I did.
You know, they watch your life be destroyed.
And then finally they get to you to a point where you don't have
any choice. If you want to move on with your
family at all, but to find an end date to it however you can.
So when we talk about motivating factors, that was huge.
Another one, you know, I haven't even mentioned, but I love the
guy, JD Rivera. He was there as a videographer
out of Pensacola, FL and he went to trial on all four charges.
He was convicted on all four charges and he ended up, you
know, spending the last six months in federal prison.
So. You know, he and I would speak a
lot about, you know, what it was, what it wasn't.
And our we kind of had a gentleman's agreement behind the
scenes that, you know, depending on which one of us went to trial
first, that would inform whoever went after.
And so as the as the cards had it, he went to trial first.
So I think I would have been foolish not to look at what
occurred in his trial and understand how that might affect
mine. And so, you know, that that
played into it as well. But for me especially, it was
really about okay. But what can I do behind bars?
You know? Would I be more effective at
messaging and trying to get people to understand the very
nuanced truth of January 6th? By going to jail?
Maybe. But I felt as a communicator, as
a writer, as a journalist, all the different things I do, that
it was better for me to. To find the the way forward that
had the least amount of incarceration and that happened
to be pleading guilty. And what was the actual count
that you pled guilty to? I pled guilty to picketing and
parading in a capitol building, and that's that's kind of a
point of detail there as well, because when they talk about the
charges to be dismissed at sentencing were indeed based in
fact, I struggled with that. I never felt as though I was
really trespassing. I still don't to this day.
You know, I was there as a journalist.
Now whether I, you know, I breached objectivity and ended
up picketing and parading, I felt that was probably a fair
characterization of my sin on January 6th.
So, you know, in the end, you know, it's a lot of mental
gymnastics sometimes. You know, anybody that knows me
knows that I really do attempt and try to see things from other
people's perspectives. I try not to just be, you know,
100% forward with how I think all the time.
So, you know, that's that's what it was.
You know, it's a Class B misdemeanor and I'm sure that it
will be gone eventually. I mean, I'm supposed to be off
probation in another year and a half.
So all I know to do is keep working, keep trying to tell the
truth, and keep moving forward. What are the conditions of the
probation that restrict you in any way if they do?
Yeah, the conditions have been somewhat annoying.
You know, there's kind of been some ongoing discussion about
employment. Obviously it's very hard to get
W2 employment. As a independent freelance or
otherwise free range journalist. So that's been difficult.
But it seems as though we've kind of reached a certain
equilibrium with US probation office at this time.
So that's that's good. I'm still restricted from
traveling, which for somebody like me that's very difficult.
You know, I've, I've said that really I want to get back over
to Eastern Europe as soon as possible and that's complicated
because of this. For a variety of reasons.
So, you know, but that's all right.
You know, in the end, I'm just going to continue doing what I
do. You know, I'm happy to have been
given the opportunity at the Gateway Pundit by Jim Hoft.
You know, I've been writing a lot over there, trying to
produce two stories every day. Sometimes that's easier said
than done. And that, you know, that's
that's where I'm at. I'm just trying to move forward,
continue to inform the public and, you know, kind of live up
to my role as a public servant. When I looked at your body of
work, even the last 10 days, you've got, you know, a dozen
pieces or so. So we had a a rich field to kind
of pull from. What is your process as a
journalist, as somebody who can't be everywhere, who has to
report, you know, from the comfort of your home, maybe, you
know, report from the the sources that you do what, what
do you go through to be able to generate a piece?
Well, I think when it comes to January 6th, obviously I have a
lot of ways to get to primary sources on that to get their
take on it. There's often times when
covering these trials that I wish I could be in the courtroom
because I I just have a hard time trusting other people's
word. I always, I always have.
I like to see for myself. And then if people believe me,
great, I want them to believe me because I want to tell the
truth. But you know, I'm, I'm, I'm
blessed that Mel Holly, who's done work on the Justice and
Jeopardy podcast, she's talked to more J.
Sixers than anybody else. So we've kind of come to an
agreement where she can correspond with me from the
courtroom, and I trust her. I think that she's honest when
she speaks to me. So that's been good as far as,
you know, the other things that I report on, you know, I report
on national security, intelligence matters, you know,
even UAP, as we mentioned, you know, unidentified aerial
phenomena. I have very good sources in
those realms in those fields. Some of them choose to stay
anonymous a lot of the time. Others have been gracious enough
to let me use their names. In different articles.
And so that's that's what I lean on is experience and people that
I've learned to trust in order to analyze very complex
situations. And then I honestly the the
problem with the way that business works is there's not a
whole lot of incentive to get both sides of the story.
You know, obviously the Gateway Pundit caters most of the time I
think to a right wing audience. So that's difficult.
I mean, I wish I had the time and budget to really dig into
stories the way I would, you know, like to all the time.
You know, I think that's something that podcasts can
actually be real effective at if you can get a good panel, you
know. So I that's what I try to do.
I just try to find reliable sources that I can report on and
then, you know, try to find varying perspectives of whatever
event it is that I'm reporting on.
All right. What is your methodology?
How do you evaluate sources? I I come from a different kind
of background, but I think maybe maybe they apply in the same
sort of way. When you're doing journalistic
work, you've got a source in front of you.
Some of you talked with you say you trust them.
How do you decide that that that works out?
Well, there's there's there's some that I trust and there's
many, many others that I will always try to verify.
So you know that's that's a we were kind of mentioning.
Earlier before is that as a journalist, a lot of times you
feel as though you're not allowed to have friends, you
know, it's it's it's very lonely if you're doing it right.
It's good to have friendly relationships with people, but
you know when people are also the subject of your work, you
don't want to cross that line too much.
So it's it's difficult. You know, each source is going
to be evaluated differently, I think depending on what they
say, what they're alleging, you know, what their perspective is,
was their video. You know, all of these different
things When it comes to the sources that I've worked with
out of the military, I mean, these are people that I've known
for years. They've never once led me
astray. And so as far as I'm concerned,
their opinions, their analysis, their perspective and and what
they tell me is gold, I don't. I don't second guess it a lot,
but they know. They know how I am.
I always second guess everything.
Let's be honest. That's fair.
You said a journalist can't have friends.
It kind of reminds me of the the image.
You remember the original Batman with Michael Keaton, where he's
got that guy Knox. And Knox is like kind of just
this obnoxious personality that runs around.
Nobody likes him, but everybody talks to him.
Yeah, yeah. I mean knocks.
Yeah. Well, you know, and I try not to
be that guy. I know that people think that
that's effective. I take a different approach,
generally. Yeah, that's not very effective
I but that's kind of classic, you know, news.
Oh yeah, the classic up there, you know, writing it down all
that, you know, that's that's a very good stereotype.
I think there's a place for that, you know, to be kind of
very aggressive ambush journalism.
As it's been said but you know, I think that over the years,
because I've dealt with so many people who wanted to remain
confidential, that when you're doing investigations, especially
a lot of times you're dealing with people who don't want to
come forward, they don't want to use their name and and a lot of
times they have legitimate reasons for that.
You know, it's, you know, a lot of the things that I've worked
on is very dangerous. You know, I've I've known people
who died mysteriously, so. It it just goes with the
territory and you try to verify things.
And when you're doing long investigations, which there's
not a whole lot of that going on necessarily with the work I do
at Gateway Pundit. But when you know as well as
anybody and investigations can take a long time before you come
to any definitive answer. So you know, I just try to, you
know, check all the boxes as I go through and and pick it apart
with a skeptical. Yeah, As a skeptic, how critical
are you of your own work? When you look at it, you
reevaluate what you're putting out there.
Immensely critical. I I often, you know, I think you
know it's funny. Even when I was younger you know
I I you know you I wrote music. I used to play in bars and do
that and write songs. You know, I think everything
I've ever done I'm critical of, even my work as a plumber and
gosh you know everything if you're not able to sit back.
Analyze your own work and find mistakes.
I I don't think you'll ever be effective.
I think that's part of self reflection and and just more of
that goes back to art of war, you know, and you want to learn
to understand yourself because it makes you a more effective
human being. So that's something that I'm
always trying to improve, you know, it's like as we're trying
to build a more perfect union, well, I'm trying to build a more
perfect version of myself as well.
You think that's common in journalism today?
Oh man, it is. So much of journalism is just
garbage propaganda these days, to be honest.
And as someone who understands propaganda and fake news, well,
now you can spot it. I understand a lot of the
motivations that go into that. Obviously, money is always going
to be a major motivator for people.
You've got to make a living and it's it's hard to make a living
in this business. So I I don't know.
I mean I I try to just approach each journalist as a human being
first when you're when you're looking at that.
But you know there's some that are leftist that I think are
pretty good. You know, I, you know Ryan
Riley, he's a funny one to bring up because as far as someone
who's reported on January 6th, he's been there from the very
beginning. So you can't say he's not
informed. Whether you agree with his takes
or not, you know that's another thing.
But I don't have any major disrespect for for Ryan.
There's others who've reported on January 6th that because you
know, my opinions are pretty negative, I won't mention their
names, but you're. Certainly welcome to, by the
way. I don't.
I know, I know. I just.
I try not to. I I just try not to do that.
You know I think if it it's in in my situation, you know as I
you know voice opinion. I would rather voice those
opinions and have them be positive of people than focusing
on the negativity because like we were even saying, I mean,
nobody likes good news. Well, sorry, you're listening to
Kyle's show and I want to get positive right now, so there's
too much negativity in the world.
There is a lot of negativity. There is a lot.
So some of your reporting, I saw you recently covered sort of
President Trump talking Lindsey Graham on stage with him macro
level. What do you see going on with
this, you know, maybe the Republican side of the 2024 race
and then if you see something interesting going on the
Democrat side too, What what's your take on coming up?
We're we're entering I guess full swing the election cycle.
So it's happening one way or another.
Oh, what a mess. What?
What an absolute mess. I mean, look at, you know, I
always kind of, you know. I'll always call him Uncle
Donnie. Uncle Donnie, he's something
else. Uncle Donnie loves him some him.
I will say that. I think he's qualified to do the
job still. I think the Republican you
mentioned, you didn't vote for him in 2016.
We have the same power, so maybe tell people that.
Yeah, I I mean, I look in in 2016 I looked at.
Donald Trump as being this, you know, bloviating asshole, to be
honest, you know, I wasn't a huge fan of his show or anything
else. You know, I didn't like his
personality. It really took four years of his
presidency to kind of look at the situation, you know?
And back in 2020, I was convinced that we were going to
be going to war with China within five years.
And I said, I said, well, Biden is compromised.
I mean, I knew it then. You know, I knew the laptop was
real when it came out. I didn't, I didn't have any
doubts about who Joe Biden was. He's he's a corrupt, really
horrible human being. And, you know, Donnie may not be
perfect, but, you know, he was he was the right guy for the
job, in my opinion at the time. I think 2024 is going to be
interesting. You know, the obviously the
concerns about legitimacy of the election process play in they're
trying to put him in prison. If he wasn't a threat to that
kind of establishment, I don't think they would be going after
him so hard. But it's but it's but it is so
tied in with all the opposition messaging.
You know, you've got this this guy who tried to overthrow
democracy. You know, I'm really interested
in Robert Kennedy's campaign. I think that that's a positive
development for America. I, you know, I remarked my, my
father and I were speaking about this the other night, actually
where I I said, you know, really as a president, what we need
someone who understands the problems that we face on a
national security level. I think that's insanely
important right now. You know, obviously the domestic
issues are really important, but they also have to be willing to
kind of bring the country back together.
We're so fractured, we're so divided that unless the next
president. Can really work and bring us
back together. I don't think it'll be
successful. So, you know, that's what I'm
looking for. You know, Lindsey Graham.
He's Lindsey Graham. Lot of people don't like him for
a lot of different reasons. And you know, I think, I think,
you know, Trump knows the game well at this point.
A lot of people have said that he didn't really understand what
he was getting into when he came into office.
They think that he should have drained the swamp immediately.
You know, I kind of as usual take a more nuanced position on
that where even when people talk about the deep state, you know,
I think what a lot of people don't realize is just how
compartmentalized that I don't know what we want to call it
phenomena is where, you know, it isn't a monolithic controlling
entity. There's a lot of different
interests within that within the military industrial complex and
they're all vying for power and seeing who they can influence
and seeing what will benefit them so.
Again, a very, very complicated situation.
You know, this is going to be crucial for the United States,
how we handle ourselves since next presidential election.
Is that our buddy Lindsey Graham there?
Thanks for that one, Ron. And that called me off guard.
I was like, who just came into my ears.
Where did that come from? Yeah, yeah, that's right,
Lindsey. Greatest hits it'll be.
It'll be. Yeah, probably not near as
entertaining as the Barcano stuff from earlier, but.
There he is. There's Ryan, popping onto the
screen. Appreciate.
That ambushing us with the. Yeah, let me Let me throw up for
everybody. So if they're watching, Trump is
a fucking idiot. That's very troubling.
I can't believe you did that on C-SPAN.
Look, this is where we're at. This is where we're at and and
and you know that could. Have never happened 10 years
ago. Probably not ten years ago, but
I think it would have happened in like 1780.
You think that's where they were at then?
There was a dual as I recall. Yes.
So you know, politics is a dirty game.
People are going to say dirty things and a lot of times they
want to kill each other. Do you know, Do you know where
the expression toe the line comes from?
Are you familiar with that? Yeah, that's when you you go toe
up to box, right? Or is that something different?
No, it's something different. So it is a it is a political
command coming from, I believe, the House of Commons, but I it
might be the House of Lords. It's it's a British expression.
The gentleman must tell. The line means that someone has
to step back to the line. There is a line between the two
houses or the two sides of the benches, and that distance is
the distance of a man's arm plus the distance of a sword times 2
+ 1. Foot Yeah, that's probably a
good idea. That's probably a good idea.
British, British and I I took a British party politics course.
So if somebody finds that to be inaccurate, then that's what I
was taught when I was over in in London going and studying.
But I find it fascinating that they actually thought it was so
important that for them to have civil discourse, no matter how
rowdy they got, they had to be just far enough that they
couldn't cross swords. And that's that's where politics
used to be. And that's how this country was
founded, looking at that system, which is quite funny to me.
Well, again, I think that's one of those things where you know.
Talking about something in principle is fantastic.
Reality tends to be a lot messier.
So we have a messy political situation.
But you know, it's been a messy world for the last forever.
How many thousand years we want to talk about.
Yeah, all of them. I think you're correct.
What about the Democrat side? You see anything interesting
happening over there? We see Robert F Kennedy coming
in. That's cool.
What else? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, Cornell West kind of entering the fray, I
think is probably more premonition.
Than anything a lot of people talk about, you know, whether or
not Michelle Obama will get involved in that.
You know, they're going to have to come up with something to
legitimize it, if nothing else, even if everything's rigged and
they're just going to install the next, you know, Democratic
president. You know, I don't think
anybody's going to buy a second by he's just so bad.
He's just so bad on so many levels.
You know, so. You know, again, I would like to
see, you know, Trump versus RFKI think that would be the most
American election we could have. I think that America would
probably benefit in either outcome with that particular
setup and scenario. So that's. 2 populists in that
way. Well, yeah, but it's about
America first. I mean, that's the thing.
It's like we can even talk about my political leanings and
everything else. But in the end, I love this
country. I know.
You're not watching. You're not watching our Rumble
channel. You're missing out on Ryan
having some fun with some of the the photos that exist in the
world that. Are well, he knew.
He knew that. When I said Michelle Obama, what
I was really thinking was Big Mike and I was trying to
reframe. So you know, thanks for that.
He's over there being a mind reader.
Is he psychic, been in the remote viewing program or what?
He's got that going on. Yeah, he can.
He can look into your brain. When I was working surveillance
for the Bureau. This is just a silly aside here.
We'll lighten up things a little bit.
I'm. I'm sitting on surveillance and
most people don't have a great image of what that looks like.
They've seen it on cop shows. They haven't experienced it
themselves. Go sit in A.
Room by yourself and look out of a window for 8 hours and don't
get out of that seat. So carry a bottle so you can
pee. Carry whatever you want next to
you. A lunch in a pack, that's what
my life was, you know, thousands of hours a year.
And and I really enjoyed it because it's like hunting.
You have to be very patient and occasionally you get to do fun
stuff and most of the time you're waiting for it to happen.
And in the middle of all this stuff on one of these days, my
wife reaches out to me and I can't remember if we had our
first daughter was born yet or not.
But I'm pretty sure it was early on we we were, you know, just
doing this FBI think, no, it must have been.
We must have had at least one kid.
So I'm sitting there and she calls me up or she sends me some
text messages and she says is it possible that Michelle Obama is
a dude And I'm looking down at the text messages and I'm
thinking. What are you watching, my dear?
What is going on back home when I am not there at the house?
And then she starts sending me link after link.
And one of them was a great Alex Jones compilation video or some
crazy thing like that. It was definitely Infowars.
And so I start watching it and I go, oh man, I was really pretty
confident before I started this conversation.
And now this is a very troubling video to watch, right?
You watch that stuff and you go. Now at least I have some shade
of doubt. And I'm not sure that I care
either way. It doesn't really matter to me,
but it was. Really weird, Kyle.
You got to be careful when you start going down that line of
thinking because the next thing you know, you're going to be
wearing a Buffalo hat and screaming freedom.
Right. Well, as my buddy Steve Friend
likes to talk about, I didn't get the copy of the
Constitution. Like I've got a little pocket
Constitution. It doesn't have the secret ink
on the back that says when the Buffalo hat wearing man reaches
the speaker's floor and sits in the chair, then your preferred
branch of government takes over your preferred party.
I didn't get that copy. I guess it's out there.
Maybe you saw it when you were at January 6th.
Did you see them kind of, you know, trading that?
Right. Yeah.
I mean, I think when it comes to the Constitution, it just
depends on who you talk to, what it says, so.
Does it say what a woman is, or does that not something we do
anymore? I don't think we want to get
into definitions. There were even some issues with
what they considered to be a human being, as I recall so.
They continue to. I actually put a tweet out today
and or not today. Maybe it was yesterday but it
was something to the effect of and and Ben Shapiro said this
and and Josie the redheaded libertarian is big on this one
as well but it's essentially the definition of personhood have
been the two original sins of this country and that falls
under whether you talk about abortion or slavery they're
just. Failed definitions of person.
So curious. You mentioned kind of a belief
in God earlier. Did I did I take that correctly?
Was that something that's been guiding you?
Yeah, yeah, definitely. As an anarchist
constitutionalist, where do you fall in the in the faith?
Spectrum in the In the faith spectrum I am, I try to increase
my reliance on faith every day I was raised in church.
And you know, as somebody who's, you know, skeptical, analytical,
you know, looking at a lot of different things, studied
different religions, anthropology, I kind of talked
myself into being agnostic, really close to atheism for the
most part. And that carried on through my
life for years. And then and then there was,
there was a situation, I don't know how else to describe it.
You know, I'm sitting here, it's like I'm trying to write a book
right now about all these different experiences.
And this is the one part that I'm still struggling with
because it's just so monumental in my life.
But it it really did feel there was a, there was a moment where
I was given a vision or a download, kind of really
difficult to describe, and that set me on this path.
To the point where in a lot of ways I saw things happen in my
mind before they did. And I know that it like, it's
like you start talking about this and a lot of people just
say you're crazy. But it for me that was it was
monumental. It it totally shifted my
thinking. I was no longer doubtful that
there was a God. I was convinced of it.
So it's it's funny a a friend of mine that I I speak to every
once and again his name's Doctor Jack Sarfaty.
Some people will know him, but we were having a conversation
about that because he does a lot of work in theoretical physics
and talks about things like retrocausation, the idea that
you know future events have an effect on your present time or
your present location in space-time.
And he's, he mentioned something about, you know, being, you
know, Saul from Tarsus, a little bit of that to it, you know, or
even or even the idea of being John on the Isle of Patmos,
where sometimes you're seeing things and you don't know how to
describe them. So you know my experience with
with God or you know, a higher power cosmic consciousness, some
might say it's it's very it's very nuanced like every other
part of me. But it's very real and and I try
to let that guide me in everything I do.
Because to me, it's to me, in my own experiences, I can't, I
can't understand how I've experienced all the things I
have, all of the different amazing people that I've met.
You know, especially as a plumber, right?
I'm just a plumber. You're my new favorite plumber
so far. So yeah, you know I've I've just
had all these amazing experiences and I've always been
kept safe in some really, really dangerous situations as well.
You know far beyond January 6th even.
And I I don't know how that happens without divine
Providence. So I just continue to kind of
let that guide me in my life. I try to be the best version of
myself I can be and I try to improve all the time.
But yeah, I mean faith is so wrapped up in that so as a as.
A. You know, anarchist,
constitutionalist, you know, Christian, right?
You know that that term's interesting to me.
I there's certain connotations with that that I may not 100%
agree with, but I think that the example that Christ gave, I
think is amazing. So yeah, it all plays into it.
And we talked about Tolstoy earlier.
He was, he was a very Christian man, also an anarchist.
You know, he talked about things like the Kingdom of God being
within you. And I think that that's
something we as humans can start to understand more about
ourselves. Actually another very good
friend of mine, people should maybe check it out on LinkedIn.
I know, I know, he put it up there.
Doctor Michael Moran, former Special Forces, great guy,
scientist. But he just recently put out,
you know, kind of some statements about, you know,
discovering our connection to the quantum universe through
quantum thinking. And quantum experience.
You know this understanding that particles that are vast
distances from each other can have an influence on one
another. This is a very light reading,
obviously. Yeah, yeah, I know.
It's like like a lot of people I talk to, you know, I I find
myself, you know, speaking to people or listening to them
sometimes. And they're and they're going
off. I mean we're talking, you know,
you know, top of their field scientists, you know, and they
start going on and on and I'm just sitting there going I am in
Neanderthal. You know, so you know, I I love
that. But can they turn a wrench?
And can they stop the leak on their sink?
So there there's a place for everything.
And there's also nothing more common than an experience in the
divine in every culture. Yeah, yeah.
I mean it goes back as far as human history and it's very
real. I mean when we it's like that's
where it gets into things, you know that you know John
Alexander called High Strangeness, you know Colonel
John Alexander and. And all these different
phenomena that are experienced. And that's why I love that
particular field, even in my work trying to report on it, is
because it's fascinating. It's it's like the ultimate
philosophical questions of where we came from.
You know, how we were made. What is the true nature of human
consciousness? What is a soul?
Those are the questions that I think are the absolute most
important for any journalist to dig into.
So that's why I try to. Try to do that and keep that
part of my work as well, because again, going back to my
experiences in Armenia and everything since then, it's
Divine Providence. I can't explain it any other
way. So by investigating you know
that subject further, I'm attempting to understand my own
experiences as well. I like that very much.
I think that we could all aspire to that.
Let's let's wrap with what do you see going on.
You've got young kids or younger kids and.
Yeah, yeah, I got. I got two boys.
They're getting older. One's an adult trying to kick
them out of the house as quickly as I can.
Of course. They're entering the world.
They're still under your under your purview, right?
Yeah, yeah, go ahead. My oldest is 18.
My my youngest is 15 right now, so.
Okay, so older than mine. You got started earlier, by the
way. That's a much smarter thing to
do than what I've got going on. I've got, I've got one that I'm
I'm a year older than you, and I've got one that's on the way
still. So I'm about to start my clock
at 0. Yeah, well, you go figure.
You know, I I had kids, you know, accidentally the first
one. Sure.
I always, I always remind him of that as well.
Just say, you know try to remember you were an accident
and then we have a laugh. But you know, it's, you know, I
worked really hard to get myself to a point.
Where, you know, I was finally, like in a house where I said,
okay, I could be a grandpa in this house, right?
I was to that point in my life. And then I went and screwed it
all up by becoming a journalist. So, you know, I don't know.
You know, I just try to give these kids the best example I
can. Yeah, what do they say?
Man makes plans and God laughs or something to that effect.
Yeah, my youngest, my youngest, he's we, we have an inside joke
where he actually drew a picture of me, and I think it's sitting
right behind me, actually, but he drew a picture of me.
That that was taken from a photo of me, you know outside of the
Capitol and and he and he calls it Papa Insurrectionist.
That's what we call it. Laughingly so.
You know it's been I I love my boys.
They're so good to me and they've they've always been wise
beyond their years in so many ways.
You know life wasn't always perfect for them and especially
not in the last 2 1/2 years. But I I'm consistently amazed.
I feel blessed that. In such complex understandings
of of the world or even people, they have a lot of wisdom.
And I know, you know, you know, I don't know if they'll watch
this and maybe I'll tell him to, but you know, my oldest
especially, I'm really hard on him, you know, trying to get him
to become more responsible, you know, go be an adult, be a
productive member of society. Boy, it would, you know, but but
you know, that's just part of being a parent.
But I do. I do value them so much.
I mean, when we talk about these, these things that drive
you as a human being, even as a journalist.
So much of what I do as a journalist was just me trying to
explain the world to my boys, and it's still that way.
It's such an important distinction there.
And I think that I had somebody say something on Twitter the
other day about, oh, we're still just as valuable if we don't
have children And we, you know, we we care about this country
just as much and it's like, but do you because.
You you're only on the planet for so long and the people that
are going to inherit are really what I look forward to.
What do you what do you see your boys inheriting You got one
that's that's ready to vote right now it sounds like and and
has an opportunity to do that another one that's going to be
doing so in the next cycle right afterwards.
So they're they're about to be released and on their own.
What do you what do you want America to look like and and
what are they going to want America to live in Oh.
Man. Well, it's like I try not to eat
too many black pills, but I do caution both of my boys about
the world we're entering into. I think we're going to have to
have some pretty monumental shifts and thinking for things
to improve. Right now, things are not
improving right now. It's my opinion that they are
getting worse and the times are going to become more difficult.
When? When.
The scam demick started and I realized, you know, after the
two weeks was up and they kept it going, that it wasn't going
to be anything normal and that they were moving forward with an
agenda I had read about years before.
I told the boys I said the world's going to get very tough
and you guys need to get better, faster and stronger.
I said you need to read more books, need to educate
yourselves, you need to get physically fit.
You know, it's always a hard thing trying to tell your boys
how to learn how to fight, especially when they're much
more well behaved than I was at their age, you know.
But this, you know, the reality we're moving into is going to be
difficult and it could get really, really bad really
quickly. I think a lot of people don't
understand how bad things can get.
You know, hopefully they would look at what's going on in
France a little bit, which I haven't had a lot of time to dig
into that particular subject. But you see that, I mean,
society hangs on a thread all the time.
So, you know, with my boys, as far as voting for sure, my
oldest now being 18, I've told him, I said, well, I said, do me
a favor, and if you can't tell me about the people you're
voting for, don't vote. You know, I think, you know, we
all need to do better as citizens.
So that's something I encourage them to do.
I I know I kind of strayed away from the original question a
little bit. There's just so many factors at
play. For them in the world, I want to
leave. I mean, I always say that really
what I want to get to in my life, I still want to get to the
point where, you know, I'm putting orange peels in my mouth
like The Godfather and chasing my grandchildren around in the
garden until I keel over from a heart attack.
That's really what I want out of life at this point.
That seems like a a pretty noble goal.
Let's. Let's leave it on that.
I hope you'll come back and talk to us again as you do some more
of the reporting and and now that you're kind of.
You're out there generating. If you're doing 10 pieces a
week. I think we got plenty to talk
about in the future. I I wanted people to get a good
grasp of who we're talking to when we bring people on.
So I'm, I really appreciate you spending the day with us.
Tell people what they can find you and then sort of the
upcoming projects you mentioned you might be doing a podcast as
well that's going to be a little less serious.
Yeah, you know, always I encourage people who are
interested in January 6th to go and see what condemned U sa.org
is doing. There's always something we, you
know, we produced a very, you know, extensive report for
Congress called about the weaponization of justice in
America. So that's that's part of what we
do. A lot of legal advocacy, their
investigation, various other things.
And you know, that's run entirely by support from from,
you know, those who think it's important.
So if you think it's important, please donate to that.
The other thing you know, obviously follow, you know, my
work, my stories at the Gateway Pundit like you say 2 a day, you
can find me there. Sean Bradley Witzman, free range
journalist. A variety of topics.
I, I, I kind of hit a lot of different subjects so that's
appreciated. And then social media at Sean
Witzman on Twitter, or at Free Range journalist, on truth
Social at free Range journalist on Instagram.
Those are the main ones. And and like say if anybody has
any stories out there, something I will always say when I have a
chance that you don't think is getting enough attention or you
think is valuable, feel free to talk to me about it.
I'm always I'm always open to explore.
So you know that I think that's how we do it you know and when
we just keep moving forward. Kyle, I really appreciate you
having me on. It's been a pleasure, Sir.
No, I enjoyed it. Pleasure was all mine.
Thanks so much. We will do this again and folks.
Thank you for your time and listening.
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