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It's righteous indignation where
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indignant. 
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be the type of anger where, 
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don't need to sleep. 
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burning building and you can't 
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that is burning inside of your 
heart is so much hotter than any

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flames that are outside. 
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through something like this is 
to to be animated by this 

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righteous indignation despite 
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justice, it's goodness, it's 
beauty, it's love. 

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All interviewers have their own 
style, and my style is to try to

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get to the point and to be 
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And the key to interviewing is 
listening. 

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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower and 

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American patriot. 
Prepare to embrace the 

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uncomfortable truth because this
program has no time for 

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comforting lies. 
Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Seraphim. 
Well, hello, my friends, and 

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welcome to the Sunday Sit down. 
Kind of a special edition that 

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we do of the Kyle Seraphin Show 
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And yeah, that voice you just 
heard a second ago was my 

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father. 
It's a family show. 

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We're going to be talking about 
something really important, 

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family's fatherhood and walking 
without fear even when you know,

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you're up against something 
incredibly dangerous like the 

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Department of Justice. 
We're going to be doing an 

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interview with a suspendable 
friend. 

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Doctor Etan Heim is going to 
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Let's get into this one. 

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Let's see what's going on here. 
On today's Sunday, sit down. 

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We're talking to legendary 
suspendable Dr. I think you're 

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you're the only doctor in the 
suspendable crew. 

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My friend H Anne Heim. 
We're going to be talking about 

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whatever we want. 
How about that? 

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That works for me. 
How are you feeling buddy? 

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You know. 
It's it's kind of weird because 

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you know, after something like 
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you're facing 10 years in prison
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facing this like behemoth, you 
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And then the next minute your 
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You know, you, I feel the same 
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And I think it's because, you 
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like protection, you know, like 
this barrier against like any 

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hope or, or future. 
And I think that's maybe slowly 

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coming off. 
So it's like I'm, I'm still kind

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of in warm mode because that's 
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Like my wife and I, you know, 
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How's your baby doing? 
She's doing great, man. 

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She's doing. 
She's growing like a weed. 

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She's happy as can be. 
She's smiling. 

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She's playing. 
Yeah, it's it's a wonderful 

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thing to see her grow up. 
What's the coolest milestone in 

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the last couple days you've 
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So, you know, it was, it was 
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She was almost rolling over, 
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trying to, but she would roll 
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She couldn't get her other arm 
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She was getting like 85% there, 
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maneuver. 
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just gotten back from Austin and
she was able to pull off the 

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roll with both of us there and 
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time. 
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That's awesome. 
Yeah, I remember that when my 

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first daughter. 
It's awesome. 

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Yeah. 
It's really cool to watch. 

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Yeah, I just watched my 18th 
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structure on her own with no 
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Today. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

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Yeah. 
It's freakish. 

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Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Because it's like a six foot 

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tall thing. 
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know, but at some point you have
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That's, that's part of life. 
It's dad's job to watch that, by

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the way. 
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Can't do it. 
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Almost to put hands on. 
Yeah, Steel Reserve, you know. 

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To just stand by, be ready to 
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Yeah, quick reactions and even 
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sure they fall properly. 
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bone, it's like, you know, it's 
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I love it. 
I love it. 

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This is that that sick version 
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If it's broken, I can fix it. 
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That's what you get for being a 
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I know, yeah, 'cause I know what
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up, you know, 'cause I've, I've 
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you know, so it's, I can 
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know, for the most part, that 
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I get it. 
Let's do the beginning, shall 

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we? 
Should we go to the beginning? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
All right, you've been on the 

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program previously, but we've 
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Why don't you tell people who 
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what? 
What do people recognize about 

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you when they meet you 
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all? 
Yeah, So my name, you know, it's

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Eitan Heim. 
I grew up in Florida. 

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You know, I was born in New 
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Mississippi, but spend most of 
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And yeah, it was like the 
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I had two parents, a family that
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You know, my dad's a doctor, and
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patients had treated him when 
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And that's what I wanted for 
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medicine. 
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medical school at Floor Atlantic
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Baylor College of Medicine in 
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You know, this is one of the 
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programs in the country. 
You know, this is where heart 

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transplants were Lvads or trauma
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know, one of the places where 
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And to be accepted at that 
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because I came from a kind of a 
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But I worked my ass off to score
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all my board exams, you know, to
graduate like the top of my 

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class. 
So, and then, you know, for your

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second question, I would say the
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most about me now is just that 
I'm an average guy, even after 

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everything that's happened, you 
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recognize me as a surgeon, you 
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of them. 
And that's mostly it. 

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I've never, I've never been 
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Never. 
Isn't that funny? 

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Which is I, I and I kind of 
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I mean, it's crazy that during 
my case, you know, we'll talk 

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about it later. 
But like that there was a gag 

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order and gag orders are used 
for people like, you know, who 

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are universally known. 
But like I I've never even been 

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recognized publicly and my 
neighbor has have no idea what's

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going on with me, you know? 
That's I, that's probably the 

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weirdest thing to be involved in
a national level struggle. 

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Would it be fair to call that 
your struggle national? 

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Yeah. 
For sure, for sure. 

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Right. 
And so there's a Twitterverse, 

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there's there are journalists 
that are competing for your 

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attention and for your scoops 
and they want to know, they want

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to interview you and they want 
to fly you out or come down and 

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set up a whole production 
studio. 

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And like, it's your neighbor 
said like crazy. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And, and yeah. 

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Like, like we were filming an 
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and this was after the first 
indictment initially came out. 

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And there was like this whole 
production crew at my house. 

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My neighbors were like, what the
Hell's going on over there? 

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They thought it was maybe baby 
pictures, but no, it was. 

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I had just been charged with 
four felonies and was facing 10 

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years in prison. 
And, you know, they were cool 

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about it. 
And, you know, they're ended up 

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being really good friends. 
But yeah, most people just don't

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know it because it's kind of 
like a, a niche story, like most

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and most people can't, you know,
because my name is kind of odd. 

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They know me as Eitan, even 
though it's spelled Ethan. 

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So you know, the there's kind of
couple layers between like me 

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being recognized and then the 
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Do you think, yeah, you think 
your name is the marketing 

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problem here? 
Is that what's going on? 

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I think so, yeah. 
And I'll only correct my name if

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I, if I know the person for more
than like a week. 

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So like, you know, I I've known 
you for quite some time, you 

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know, I would, yeah. 
I would consider you a friend. 

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And yeah. 
So it's not Eton instead of 

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Ethan. 
It's just a it's a Hebrew name 

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spelled in German phonetics. 
That's a move. 

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What? 
Let's talk about what motivated 

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you to really come forward with 
what you saw. 

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First of all, why don't you tell
people what you saw? 

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I know too much of your story, 
so I'm not going to assume 

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anything. 
What did you see? 

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And then what drove you to think
like, hey, I got to make this 

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thing public? 
Yeah. 

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So I was just a surgical 
resident working at Baylor 

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College of Medicine. 
And one of the hospitals that we

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spend the most time at is Texas 
Children's Hospital as part of 

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like the Baylor College of 
Medicine academic consortium, 

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right, Because you rotate at 
multiple hospitals. 

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So in 2022, the hospital had 
issued a very public statement 

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saying that they were no longer 
going to prescribe or 

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participate in the transgender 
interventions. 

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And they said this because they 
were going to they they were 

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doing it to avoid potential 
criminal ramifications, right? 

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So that's a very specific 
reason. 

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And the reason they released 
that because they said it, OK, 

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it was yeah, yeah. 
They said we're stopping all 

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transgender interventions 
because of the potential legal 

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ramifications, criminal legal 
ramifications. 

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So they, it was like very clear.
And the reason they said it, it 

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was because a few weeks before 
the EG of Texas, Ken Paxton had 

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issued an opinion saying that 
these interventions could be 

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investigated as criminal child 
abuse, which they are. 

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So it makes sense why the 
hospital would release this 

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statement, right? 
A couple of weeks later that, 

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all right, in Texas, the AG 
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abuse, we're shutting down the 
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untrue, the hospital had 
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program, but in actuality, they 
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multidisciplinary clinic, right,
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psychiatry, general Pediatrics, 
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work, case management. 
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right? 
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of 2023, because it was only in 
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this statement, that one of my 
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them doing one of the 
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a PV blocking device into a 
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It can't be possible. 
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about their statement from a few
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like it's possible that this 
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at, Texas Children's was capable
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significant. 
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lectures from the grand rounds 
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man, there's this is blatant, 
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in Texas. 
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January 2023 that I knew it was 
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what was happening and it took 
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journalists to get in touch with
Christopher Ruffo, who ended up 

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releasing the story in May of 
2023. 

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How did you go about selecting 
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It was just kind of who I 
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like. 
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What does that look like as you 
reached out? 

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So it's just cold emails. 
I would just find an e-mail of 

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like an organization. 
I want, I want to say who 

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because I want to put anyone on 
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Understand, understand from 
their point of view. 

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I'm just some random guy. 
Like they have no reason to 

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believe like what I'm saying, 
right? 

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And you know, I just realized 
it's kind of dark. 

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Do you want me to turn on light 
or anything? 

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Yeah, throw a light on. 
OK, so we got a little bit more 

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light on the subject. 
Did you ever talk to to Chris 

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Rufo about why he responded to 
your cold e-mail? 

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Yeah, I so I yeah, So what that 
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sending out emails to people. 
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response. 
I would just keep on sending 

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emails. 
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Ruffo, yeah, we talked about it 
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was a huge story. 
You have the biggest Children's 

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manipulating, mutilating and 
sterilizing healthy young 

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children. 
So was it? 

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Was it the right audience and 
the right message? 

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You sent it to the right guy 
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that story. 
Is that what you think happened?

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Yeah, I believe it was God's 
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Truly, I believe it was God's 
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only in like mid-May, like May 
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my e-mail. 
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was released on May 16th, 2023. 
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the Texas Senate was voting on a
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ban these interventions on 
children, right? 

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So a day after our story came 
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with bipartisan support, the 
conduct that we had exposed that

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the hospital was lying about 
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Texas. 
And partially in response to our

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story coming out the day before,
because this was a bill that was

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passed with bipartisan support, 
they were Democrats who voted in

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favor of it because they didn't 
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their districts. 
But our story showed that it was

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definitively happening in their 
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So have you ever had an example 
in your life that was such an 

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obvious to you, or a moment of 
God's Providence where just the 

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the the circumstances lined up 
so truly that there was no other

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way for you to explain it to 
yourself? 

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Yeah, So this whole story with 
me blowing the whistle, there's 

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been so many instances of God's 
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whole from beginning to end that
that God's hand has been guiding

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it. 
Because, you know, I'll kind of 

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get into this later in the 
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But there were so many times 
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where we were completely broke, 
where we had, we were completely

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desperate and we had nothing 
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And we were going to be like, 
you know what, we're done. 

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We have to give this up. 
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minute, something happens to get
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But that that day when the story
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passed a day after, yeah, that 
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That was definitely one of those
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thoroughly believed that it was 
God's hand who is guiding us. 

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Did you have moments when you 
were doubting reaching out to a 

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journalist that even telling 
people about this was the right 

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thing to do? 
Yeah, well, 'cause I had given 

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up. 
So I had tried reaching out to 

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journalists from January to 
April, right? 

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And then there was something I 
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that I was like, I have to reach
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It was too crazy. 
And I, you know, it's kind of in

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the weeds. 
I haven't really talked about 

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this, but it was something 
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right? 
Where in the TCH medical records

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the most important demographic 
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patient's name, their code 
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them, like the family address, 
like the the contact 

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information, which is critical 
if you have a sick kid and you 

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have to contact the family. 
That demographic information, 

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which is usually in the top left
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chart was replaced with 
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Sexual Identity Smart form. 
So what this is, is that this is

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like an intake form for kids in 
the hospital where they're asked

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about their gender identity and 
they can, you know, this is 

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like, this is crazy. 
This from the Human Rights 

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Council, right? 
This was initiated by the Human 

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Rights Council as part of their,
you know, their human rights 

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score, whatever their the 
corporate index is for an Epic 

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healthcare system, which is the 
EMR was the one who was 

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integrating this. 
So TCH had integrated this 

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dystopian smart form into their 
medical records. 

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So yeah, they would ask him, 
like, what's your gender 

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identity for a kid who's like, 
five years old, six years old? 

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Then they would have like, an 
organ inventory. 

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It was actually called organ 
inventory. 

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And the whole point would be to,
you know, ask the children, what

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organs have you had surgically 
removed or altered? 

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Like, you know, did you have 
your penis removed or your 

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breasts removed or your uterus 
removed? 

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So this is part of like, from 
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it had replaced the most 
important demographic 

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information. 
This was part of the intake 

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form. 
And it's like, Oh my God. 

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Like he. 
So I had what? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And I just, I kind of stumbled 

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upon it by accident, you know? 
OK, so so people understand a 

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normal hospital intake, which 
you've done a bunch of, and I've

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got a little bit of experience. 
It usually is like, hi, what's 

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your name? 
Do you have insurance or, you 

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know, somewhere we're going to 
bill, you know, do you have a 

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DNR on file? 
Exactly. 

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If something happens to you, do 
you have someone who would make 

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your medical decisions? 
You know, like critical things 

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that we needed to know right now
in the first few seconds of 

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meeting you? 
Something bad's going on. 

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Yeah, and that's what goes in 
the top left hand corner. 

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But that was replaced by the 
gender and sexual identity smart

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form, which is like, holy crap. 
Man, why do you think they did 

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that? 
What like what would what would 

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make somebody do that if you had
to speculate? 

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So it's sick. 
It's absolutely sick. 

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Because to ask a child about an 
organ inventory is like the most

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dystopian thing I could have 
ever imagined. 

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Like, you know, when I talked to
my colleagues about this, they 

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were, I was like, hey, man, like
click on this part of the chart.

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This is crazy. 
Look. 

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And my colleagues, it was the 
thing that shocked them the 

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most. 
They were like, wait, this is 

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where the most important 
demographic information is like 

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their DNR status, like their 
code status. 

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But this is where like there's 
the gender and sexual identity. 

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Smart form is not like holy crap
man. 

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Did they? 
I think the same thing that you 

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did. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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But I mean, of course, you know,
like not. 

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Everybody's going to do 
something. 

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But they thought that this was a
radical move. 

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I. 
Mean this was hard to believe. 

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I mean people didn't believe it 
unless I showed it to them. 

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They were like, because it 
wasn't only TCH, this was every 

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epic system in the country, 
right? 

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Epic is a like a records keeping
system. 

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Yeah, Epic. 
So Epic is the largest 

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electronic medical record system
in the entire country. 

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Like the biggest one, right? 
Is there any OK? 

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Is there any innocent reason 
that they could have done this? 

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Oh, no, no, I mean, well, they 
would say for them it's 

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innocent, like to ask a kid 
about their sexual identity when

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they're like six years old. 
But no, no, I it's this is sick,

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right? 
Because this is a medical chart,

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right? 
And if you put a different sex 

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in that form, that changes it on
their medical chart, which is 

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like critically important to 
know for a surgeon, because if 

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you're going to take someone for
surgery, you have to know if 

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it's a male or a female because 
you have to do a pregnancy test.

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You have to make sure that 
there's certain anatomy like you

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might encounter when you're 
opening someone's abdomen, 

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right? 
Like a uterus or ovaries, you 

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know, so if. 
You were getting into a surgical

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suite and you've got a emergency
patient who's non verbal and 

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they are improperly identified. 
You've prepped and you go in and

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you're expecting like a nine 
year old or a 10 year old girl 

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for an abdominal surgery and 
it's a nine year old boy. 

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It's marked improperly. 
What would that do for you? 

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Well, you know, it's, it's hard 
to express the level of kind of,

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it throws you into a place of 
like being out at sea where 

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you're lost, right? 
Where like everything you 

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thought you're like your, your 
decision making is now called 

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into question because such a 
critical detail is now 

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completely different, right? 
Like, of course, you kind of do 

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your job and make sure 
everything is safe. 

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But like, it's terrifying to 
think that I would ever be in 

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that situation because it's like
such a change in the template. 

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And in surgery, it's important 
that like you make decisions 

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based off like known 
information. 

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And the two things we always 
report in surgery is age and 

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sex. 
You know, 61 year old male, 22 

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year old female, it's always age
and sex. 

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If one of those things is 
different than what you thought,

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it throws you into a loop, 
right? 

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That's not safe. 
And you can get into if, if you 

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get too far into it, you can 
mistake an ovary for an Abscess.

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I mean, you would have to really
get far into it. 

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Like, you know, that'd be a big 
problem. 

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Sure, like medical mishaps. 
How many? 

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How many medical mishaps? 
Surgical slash malpractice 

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cases, You know, wrong 
amputations. 

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How many of those happen a year 
in the United States? 

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In terms of like the critical 
failures of like wrong site 

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surgeries, they happen not that 
often, but they happen, yeah. 

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Because I think everybody's 
heard like that when we know 

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people put markings, it's 
Sharpies, it's tape. 

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Like, there's a lot of things 
that go into not having that 

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kind of screw up, yeah. 
It's easy for things to go wrong

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when information is improperly 
presented to the doctor or the 

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surgeon. 
That's when things go wrong. 

453
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,360
It's when things are. 
So it's like, especially in kids

454
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,520
hospital, this is critically 
important, right? 

455
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,280
This is like the most critical 
information and it was being 

456
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,080
manipulated by ideology. 
And these are the people, you 

457
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,320
know, correct me if I'm wrong 
here, but the children, they are

458
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,800
going to have the smallest like 
obvious physiological 

459
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,400
differences when you're looking.
They don't have second, you 

460
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,920
know, secondary sex 
characteristics. 

461
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,760
So it may not be nearly as 
obvious. 

462
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,360
They may not even have hair of 
the same length or long enough. 

463
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,880
Like they may not present even 
just because their age, they may

464
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,280
not develop things that we would
normally associate with male and

465
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,360
female sort of patterns. 
Yeah, yeah. 

466
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,080
And that's that's important 
thing too, is like in order to 

467
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,200
properly identify the anatomy, 
right? 

468
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Like you have to go in 
understanding the Physiology 

469
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,720
you're operating on because that
serves as a a map of the area 

470
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,440
that you're going into, right? 
Just like if you go into a city,

471
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,000
right? 
Like you want a map of that 

472
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920
city. 
If you go into a Chicago, you 

473
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,120
don't want a map of Milwaukee, 
right? 

474
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,520
If you do, you might run into 
some problems like if you're 

475
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,480
familiar with both, right, like 
Chicago and Milwaukee, you 

476
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,840
probably navigated. 
But like if you're, if it's an 

477
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,600
emergency, right, then like 
that's when things can go wrong.

478
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Sure. 
All right, let's talk about, I 

479
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,000
have to imagine that your wife 
and you were having some kind of

480
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,680
a conversation about how you go 
forward with this. 

481
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,760
What? 
What were those conversations 

482
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,280
like? 
Yeah, we had a lot of 

483
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,440
conversations because we went 
through the whole process 

484
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,320
together. 
It was my wife who had found the

485
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,560
statement from TCH in March of 
2022. 

486
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,800
Because I came home one day 
right in like mid 2022. 

487
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,920
And I was like, hey, like 
someone told me that they were 

488
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,400
implanting these puberty 
blocking device in this 11 year 

489
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,920
old kid and that this kid was 
positive. 

490
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080
It was a girl positive. 
They wanted to have more 

491
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,960
surgery, that they never wanted 
to have children, that multiple 

492
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,120
family members were transgender.
And it's like, whoa, major red 

493
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,200
flags there. 
But the day that person had had 

494
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,920
that note written, you know, 
outlining all that information 

495
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,040
was a day the child had surgery,
right? 

496
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:29,520
So like, when all the red flags 
are there, they're still taking 

497
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960
a surgery, you know? 
So I tell my wife about these 

498
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,400
things and other things I saw 
over the next couple of weeks. 

499
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,440
And that's when she started 
looking into it, too. 

500
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,360
Because both of us didn't even 
know that there was a 

501
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,560
transgender program at Texas 
Children's Hospital. 

502
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,480
We didn't believe it, right? 
So she looked it up and found 

503
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,400
it. 
And she told me both of us were 

504
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,640
like, no, it's like, can't be 
true. 

505
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,040
But then as time progressed and 
January 2023 was critical date 

506
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,240
where there was the grand rounds
lecture, but then also a Zoom 

507
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,000
conference where like 150 
medical students at Baylor 

508
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,520
College of Medicine had a Zoom 
conference called Gender 

509
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Affirming Care in Minors, right?
And we're like, this has to be a

510
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,040
joke. 
No way this is possible. 

511
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,160
And it had a bunch of people who
were in the transgender program 

512
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,160
at TCH. 
So we recorded that Zoom 

513
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,720
conference, which was part of 
the story that was initially 

514
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,720
released in Rufo's original 
reporting, where they talked 

515
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,160
specifically how they were 
concealing everything from, 

516
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,240
like, state authorities, how 
they wouldn't give parents a 

517
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,440
hard copy of the notes because 
that would, like, threaten, you 

518
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,800
know, them being exposed. 
And my wife and I were talking 

519
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,280
about it and we knew that it was
the right thing for us to do 

520
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,160
because like I, I couldn't live 
with myself if I, I knew this 

521
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,320
was happening and I didn't do 
anything about it, right? 

522
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,880
I couldn't look at myself in the
mirror, especially because we 

523
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,360
just got married a few months 
before, right, in August of 

524
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,480
2022. 
And like, we were going to bring

525
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,080
a kid into this world. 
And we did, you know, we were 

526
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,520
talking about her earlier and 
like, what kind of world are we 

527
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,800
going to bring her into if I 
just sit by and let this this, 

528
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,320
this egregious, you know, 
ethical violation of the world's

529
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,040
biggest Children's Hospital just
allowed to go, you know, 

530
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,000
completely under the radar. 
Like I had to do something about

531
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,840
it. 
Sometimes I think people think 

532
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600
it sounds fantastical to have a 
conversation like that where 

533
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,720
you're like, you know, how are 
we going to look our daughter in

534
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,760
the eye? 
Was that something you guys 

535
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,400
really had that conversation 
where you just said, what are we

536
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,240
going to do when she's older? 
Explicitly, yeah. 

537
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,760
No, no, I kept a journal at the 
time right after COVID started. 

538
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,000
I kept adrenaline because I knew
things were getting very crazy. 

539
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,640
So I have like, you know, I, I 
like to read it, you know, like 

540
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,080
my old entries because I see how
like everything changed over 

541
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,960
time because my whole world had 
turned upside down, right? 

542
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,120
Like, I see the people I once 
respected turn into like these 

543
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,800
monsters, right, who are letting
people die and not saying 

544
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,160
anything about it. 
And like, we're just supposed to

545
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,720
sit there like nothing is 
happening. 

546
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,120
That's crazy. 
And like, I wrote all this down.

547
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,000
And, And so like in the journal,
but also in our conversations, 

548
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,680
yes, we had said we cannot live 
with each other or we cannot 

549
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,320
live with ourselves. 
We cannot bring our child into 

550
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,320
this world if we don't do this. 
That is what we said to each 

551
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,640
other, because that is what was 
true. 

552
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,400
What kind of dangers did you 
guys see? 

553
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,440
She's got a background in law, 
obviously, so that's worth 

554
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,960
explaining. 
She's a federal prosecutor. 

555
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,000
She works Department of Justice.
Yeah. 

556
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Yeah. 
I mean, she had just gotten 

557
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,840
hired at the time She went to, 
like, Columbia Law School in 

558
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,280
Georgetown. 
She's brilliant. 

559
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,080
I mean, she's not very proud of 
her alma mater. 

560
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,600
You know, it's like a communist 
training camp. 

561
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Granted. 
How did she even come out of 

562
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,120
that? 
Because that's one thing. 

563
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,000
I hear people talking about 
going to law school today. 

564
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
And I've actually had friends 
say, hey, I think I want to go 

565
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,040
to law school and they're 
conservatives. 

566
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,440
How did she survive going 
through that? 

567
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,480
And was she quiet? 
Was she strong willed still or? 

568
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Yeah, yeah. 
So both of us, you know, kind of

569
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,760
went through our own transitions
because both of us were kind of 

570
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,280
like your typical, you know, 
kind of run in the middle libs, 

571
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,320
you know, like because that's 
the water we swam in growing up.

572
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,440
It's the social milieu is geared
towards being a liberal. 

573
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,360
But of course, like both of us 
in our early 20s, mid 20s, we 

574
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,200
kind of gradually start opening 
our eyes and, you know, moving 

575
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,040
towards the conservative side. 
So even when she was at 

576
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,720
Columbia, she was in Columbia in
2016 when they had the full 

577
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,800
meltdown during Trump's first 
inauguration, when they all went

578
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920
on strike and said we can't take
our finals. 

579
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Like she was there. 
And yeah, she said like, you 

580
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,400
know, she was, she was 
cautiously outspoken in small 

581
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,240
circles, just like many of us 
were. 

582
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,280
And which we realized was this 
was the the fault, like the 

583
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,080
cause of our ultimate downfall 
because because all of us were 

584
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,920
so quiet, we had led to our own 
destruction, you know? 

585
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400
What do you think? 
What do you think made you turn 

586
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,120
a corner? 
What what made you say like, 

587
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,240
hey, you know what? 
Maybe some of these Lib ideas 

588
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,200
are not for me. 
It was Israel when I was in my 

589
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920
early 20s, because my family's 
from Israel, right? 

590
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,640
So it's like, you know, I was 
kind of your basic liberal guy, 

591
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280
right? 
But then I saw how the media was

592
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,920
lying about it Was one of the 
intifadas, one of the conflicts 

593
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:31,520
in the early 20 tens. 
I think it was like 22,010 or 

594
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,360
2011 where you had one of the 
the escalations. 

595
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,840
You have missiles go back and 
forth. 

596
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,960
And I saw how it was being 
reported and I saw like, oh, 

597
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,560
man, like none of this is true, 
right? 

598
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,320
It's like, Oh yeah, like 3 
Palestinians killed, you know, 

599
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,720
in altercation when it was like 
3 suicide bombers were killed by

600
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,000
the IDF when they were trying to
run into like a kindergarten, 

601
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,480
you know. 
So it's. 

602
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,280
It's hard to see something like 
that and then not realize what 

603
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,240
the propaganda is. 
So that that kind of made you 

604
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,360
start questioning, is that 
right? 

605
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,600
Yeah, yeah, slowly over time. 
But even after I became like a 

606
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,160
conservative, I was still kind 
of like, you're running the 

607
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,680
mill, like Bush, Cheney, like 
conservative, right. 

608
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,240
I was like where? 
You now hold on. 

609
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,240
Wait. 
Where are you now? 

610
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Oh, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I 
guess you could say like ultra 

611
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,120
MAGA, you know, I'm like, I'm 
like to the right of Cash Patel,

612
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720
you know? 
Yeah, that's great. 

613
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,480
Yeah, yeah. 
You're. 

614
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,680
So, OK, you've gone into the 
Attila the Hunt camp. 

615
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Well within the Attila, the Hunt

616
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,480
camp. 
OK, let me let me float a couple

617
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,400
of conquer Mexico all the way 
down to the Panama Canal. 

618
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960
Yay or. 
Nay, I would say hard nay 

619
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,840
because just just in terms of 
logistics. 

620
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,800
Do you think they all need to be
Americans? 

621
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,440
If they want to be Americans, 
make them all Americans. 

622
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Are you in there? 
OK? 

623
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,200
My wife is there. 
I'm just I'm just asking. 

624
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,760
Is it? 
Yeah. 

625
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880
From. 
I had a recovering Lib go that 

626
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,120
route, so I just wanted to see 
how far. 

627
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,360
OK. 
You got some ways to go then. 

628
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320
Yeah, 'cause I, I think that the
Mexican travelling, right, Yeah,

629
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,880
'cause I, I actually, you know, 
I was reading about the Mexican 

630
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Revolution in the early 1900s 
and you know, how, how they had 

631
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200
fought for, you know, 
independence and, and they had 

632
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440
undergone multiple revolutions. 
And, you know, these are people 

633
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,480
who have a history. 
They deserve their own country 

634
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,240
and but we, you know, we also 
deserve if they're messing with 

635
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,760
our border that we have to exact
revenge on them, you know, in 

636
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,280
whatever way possible to secure 
our borders. 

637
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
So it's pretty balanced. 
I'm just saying, oh, we'll have 

638
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,240
you talk to my wife. 
She'll convince you. 

639
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,560
I don't know why. 
I don't know why she thinks that

640
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,760
way. 
She just told me that years ago.

641
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
And I and I went, oh, oh, dear 
Lord, what have we done? 

642
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,120
That was right about the time 
she was asking me if Michelle 

643
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480
Obama was a man and I was. 
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

644
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,120
That's that's a open, open 
debate. 

645
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,560
Open debate, Yeah, Yeah, we had 
that conversation tonight 

646
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960
actually about Alex Jones and. 
Yeah. 

647
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,440
She she said Hulu and Alex Jones
may have radicalized. 

648
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,680
Her, which makes me crack up, 
yeah. 

649
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,040
OK, So you guys have this 
discussion. 

650
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Your wife's a prosecutor, a 
brilliant lawyer, went has a 

651
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,680
great pedigree. 
She had to see some danger 

652
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,160
there. 
Yeah. 

653
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Well, you know, actually, no, 
she didn't see any danger 

654
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,160
because. 
So when we finally got in touch 

655
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,200
with Brufo in May, it was clear 
it like, so I worked at the 

656
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,520
hospital, I was doing surgery 
there. 

657
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,240
All the information I was 
releasing to Rufo, all the 

658
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,920
redacted patient information was
after it was redacted, de 

659
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,960
identified patient information. 
This is something that is like a

660
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,720
part of like the medical 
profession, like in journals, in

661
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,480
medical journals, right? 
In medical conferences. 

662
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,760
This is like what you include in
like this is it goes from 

663
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160
private health information to 
once it's redacted to de 

664
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,160
identified information so and 
therefore compliant with the law

665
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,920
take. 
An example, if you could, can 

666
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,400
you give it a? 
Because this is obviously like a

667
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
real process that people go 
through all the time to be able 

668
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,640
to write journals and studies 
and so on, right? 

669
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,720
So for example like you go to. 
Talk about me specifically. 

670
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,720
OK, So if you want to you know 
specific identifiers, I'll give 

671
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,120
them to you. 
And then what would look like 

672
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,680
redacted? 
Yeah. 

673
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
So say like I'm doing a surgery 
on you, right? 

674
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,640
It's a robotic surgery. 
I'm taking out your gallbladder 

675
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,400
and I have a video of your 
surgery, right in the video it 

676
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,800
has your name, your birthday and
your MRN number, right. 

677
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,840
It was a very interesting case. 
You had abnormal anatomy because

678
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,480
you had abnormal anatomy, it's 
pertinent to present at a 

679
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,920
surgical conference, right? 
I have to you know, it's then 

680
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
you was. 
It hyper muscular physique is 

681
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,880
that. 
Exactly. 

682
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Hyper muscular gallbladder, 

683
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,320
right. 
You can de identify this 

684
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,000
information right and present it
at a conference. 

685
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,800
So you're going to say 43 year 
old male unusual Physiology, cut

686
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,719
off that piece and what else 
would be with it? 

687
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,840
Yeah, a 40, yeah. 
And and I I don't even say like 

688
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,280
the age, it's like a male in its
40s, right? 

689
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Yeah. 
So at that point it becomes de 

690
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,280
identified, right. 
But Even so, like in the case of

691
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,600
of that surgery, like I would 
have to get your consent first, 

692
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,600
right? 
But in this case, this was like 

693
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,880
the basic information like basic
like like schedules like things 

694
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,080
like that that didn't have any 
private health information. 

695
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480
This was like hospital data 
about what interventions they 

696
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040
were doing so because. 
Identifying. 

697
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Even if you had it, you wouldn't
be able to ID who the person was

698
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,680
because it's universal. 
Yeah, exactly. 

699
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Yeah. 
So this is information that's 

700
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,720
included in like when they give 
reports to like the CDC or the 

701
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,520
NIH, right? 
They give de identified patient 

702
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,360
information to these 
institutions in order to do 

703
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,840
like, you know, analysis of like
which diseases are present, you 

704
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,880
know, like in certain 
populations, right? 

705
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,160
This like de identified patient 
information, right? 

706
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
It goes from private health 
information to de identified, 

707
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,240
which is like a legal thing. 
And my wife saw that and it's 

708
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:48,320
like. 
Is that something you train how 

709
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,520
to do in medical school? 
If you wanted to write or do 

710
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,640
studies, you learn how to do 
that. 

711
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,840
All the time. 
All the time. 

712
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,480
Yeah. 
So this is like and for me it's.

713
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,880
Like, see this being like a, 
like a, like a virtual training 

714
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,120
that you're getting slideshow 
presentations and clicking off 

715
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,560
on every year or something like 
that, Yeah. 

716
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,400
Yeah. 
It's like what constitutes 

717
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,720
private health information 
versus non private health 

718
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,280
information, right. 
Like if it, if it's like a 

719
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,960
person's surgery, like very 
specific for that person, you 

720
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,400
have to get their consent 
beforehand. 

721
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,120
If it's basic data, right, like 
hospital data that everyone has 

722
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,480
access to, no, you don't have to
get that person's consent 

723
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,720
beforehand because it doesn't 
have any private health 

724
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,000
information like that's unique 
for that person. 

725
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Whereas in the surgery, like in 
your case, it has the kind of 

726
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,720
individualized description of 
your surgery that's a little bit

727
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,240
different, you know, So it's 
like you have different levels 

728
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,360
for different levels of data. 
And for different releases for 

729
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,960
purposes things like that, yeah.
Yeah. 

730
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,000
OK. 
In in this case too, part of 

731
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,720
HIPAA, there's a whistle blower 
statute. 

732
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,960
If a hospital is participating 
in misconduct and especially if 

733
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,200
there are legal ramifications, 
which as I mentioned before, the

734
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,640
hospital had acknowledged 
themselves. 

735
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,360
They said they were shutting 
this down because of potential 

736
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,800
criminal ramifications, right? 
So the hospital's still doing 

737
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,440
what they acknowledge themselves
as potentially criminal. 

738
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,440
I have an obligation to report 
that I can't do it to the 

739
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,320
hospital because they're the 
ones who are complicit. 

740
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040
I can't do it to I, we actually 
tried reaching out to the 

741
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,560
attorney general's office, you 
know, that was going to be part 

742
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,680
of trial. 
So we kind of held that detail 

743
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,680
back. 
We were going to have them 

744
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,080
testify because I was a like a 
whistle blower for the A G's 

745
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,880
office. 
What is what is the pathway? 

746
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,200
So in federal service, the way I
went, there's like a, a 

747
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,360
prescriptive pathway that says 
you must go to one of the 

748
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,160
following appropriate reporting 
authorities. 

749
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,120
What does that look like, if 
any? 

750
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,800
Yeah. 
So in, in medicine, the the 

751
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,640
pathway for reporting as a 
whistleblower is the pathway for

752
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,400
making sure you get fired. 
Yeah. 

753
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,080
So like the pathway they have is
like if you report to them, 

754
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,080
they'll fire you. 
Yeah. 

755
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,560
So that that and everyone knows 
that, right. 

756
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,360
Like the the pathway for medical
whistleblowers is the pathway to

757
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,520
get fired. 
So you know. 

758
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,640
What you tell your supervisor in
the hospital. 

759
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,680
Yeah, then they fire you. 
Yeah. 

760
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,360
And then they fired you. 
They they fixed the problem. 

761
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Yeah, exactly. 
So it's like, of course we're 

762
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,680
not going to pursue that route 
because that's like a very bad 

763
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,080
route. 
Is that theoretically protected?

764
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,640
Is there some sort of legal 
statutory protection with no. 

765
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Yeah, Yeah. 
I mean, theoretically it's 

766
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,640
protected, but that didn't stop 
TCH from firing Vanessa Cibitch,

767
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,320
the other TCH whistleblower. 
She still. 

768
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Yeah, I mean she. 
And is there any punishment 

769
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,560
other than like a civil penalty 
later? 

770
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Is there any criminal penalty 
for them doing so? 

771
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400
Yes, there is. 
Yeah. 

772
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,760
For for firing whistleblowers, 
there is a major. 

773
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,080
That's a major. 
Deal. 

774
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,200
Yeah. 
Is anyone picking up her case to

775
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,080
to push that? 
Yeah, Yeah, very good. 

776
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,160
OK. 
So you chose not to do the route

777
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,440
that is prescribed because that 
was a clear failure route for 

778
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,360
you in your mind. 
So you've decided that if you go

779
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,600
the route that is prescribed by 
law, you're going to get fired 

780
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,000
and it doesn't go anywhere 
anyway. 

781
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,560
And did you have any other 
backup plan other than reach out

782
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,160
to journalists that you 
followed? 

783
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,160
Yeah. 
So that's when we reached out to

784
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,880
the Attorney General's office 
and you know, Grant, they were 

785
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,160
in kind of disarray because of 
the impeachment issue. 

786
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,400
I think that was kind of in the 
beginning process. 

787
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,600
That's when Ken Paxton was being
impeached by the by the Texas 

788
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Legislature. 
Yeah, yeah, cuz. 

789
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,920
So the the day the story came 
out on May 16th, 2023, it was a 

790
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,840
couple of days after that that 
the AG announced his 

791
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,360
investigation into the hospital 
and then he was impeached. 

792
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Perfect. 
Yeah, yeah. 

793
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,720
Do we think those were related? 
I think so. 

794
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,560
I think it was part of it 
because the medical lobby and 

795
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,880
especially in Houston, right, 
Texas is oil and medicine. 

796
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,200
The Texas Medical Center is one 
of the most powerful lobbies in 

797
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,560
the state of Texas. 
So I I think that there's a good

798
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,240
chance of playing a role. 
Interesting. 

799
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,280
OK. 
So AG's office, what was the 

800
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,880
reception there? 
You said they were in disarray. 

801
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,960
Yeah. 
So we tried calling a couple 

802
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,160
times but they didn't answer. 
You know, that was, that was the

803
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,040
ideal situation for us because 
my wife called, right? 

804
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,280
She left a message, multiple 
messages, and then we just 

805
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,360
didn't get a response. 
And then that's when we reached 

806
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,680
out to Rufo. 
What did that first contact 

807
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,640
sound like? 
So it was kind of, it was with 

808
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,880
one of the people who was 
working for Rufo kind of like a 

809
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,880
like a accessory role, you know,
just to make sure that I wasn't 

810
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,560
some crazy person who was kind 
of a telling like ABS story. 

811
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,840
So we went through like a 
verification process, like a 

812
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,120
very thorough verification 
process. 

813
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,560
And that's when, you know, maybe
a day or two go by verifying the

814
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,160
veracity of the story. 
And then we go through a process

815
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,840
of making sure that the 
information was correct, that 

816
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,520
this was indeed happening and 
that there wasn't like something

817
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,760
else where the hospital actually
said, oh, no, we are restarting 

818
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,400
the program, right? 
Because, you know, that's one 

819
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,280
thing that I always kind of 
thought in the back of my mind, 

820
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,280
like maybe they said they 
restarted somewhere, but like, 

821
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,160
you know, they went through it, 
their lawyers went through it to

822
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,000
make sure everything was kosher.
And once they did, then it was 

823
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,360
released. 
What was the first thing that 

824
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,760
happened when the story went 
live? 

825
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,680
First of all, how did you feel 
when the story went live? 

826
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,200
You know, I was so busy with 
residency that like in my little

827
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,040
world, everything was was like 
the same. 

828
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,760
No one even knew the story came 
out and we were working in Texas

829
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Children's Hospital at the time.
How long did it take for that 

830
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:46,240
storm to hit the hospital? 
It it didn't no like like, you 

831
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,760
know, in terms of like the media
bubble, it didn't hit the 

832
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,560
hospital. 
No, as crazy as that may sound, 

833
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,120
no one in my like immediate 
sphere like had known about the 

834
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,560
story. 
Like on the ground, like the 

835
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,800
residents, the doctors, no one 
knew about the story. 

836
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,160
No one and but in the news like 
so in my little world, it was 

837
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,920
like you had this. 
It was like an explosion, but 

838
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,280
like everything outside was 
completely normal. 

839
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,600
But in in the world of like 
Christopher Ruffo and the news, 

840
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480
this thing is like blowing up 
right, because it's all over the

841
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,800
news. 
He's going on Laura Ingraham and

842
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,240
I'm still, I'm just the 
anonymous source for the story. 

843
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,680
And then the law gets passed the
very next day and it's like, 

844
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,600
holy crap, Like how? 
How much crazier can it get? 

845
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,360
And then another whistle blower 
comes out a couple days after 

846
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,240
that, right. 
Vanessa Civis, she was anonymous

847
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:44,080
at the time too, but she worked 
in the clinic at the time and 

848
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,720
hadn't seen the horrors first 
hand herself. 

849
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:53,320
So she and she saw my story on 
May 16th, reached out to Rufo in

850
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,600
the same way I did, completely 
anonymously told her side of the

851
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,360
story about how like what was 
happening to these kids and 

852
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560
everything that was going on. 
You know, she was in the clinic 

853
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,880
rooms with doctors themselves. 
And then the AG announces an 

854
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,600
investigation and then the 
hospital CEO, Mark Wallace, for 

855
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,400
the second time in like 1516 
months, says he's going to shut 

856
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,480
down the program in accordance 
with SB14. 

857
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,360
And for me, it's like, all 
right, I achieved my goal as a 

858
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,960
whistle blower, time to get back
to my regular life. 

859
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,120
That was it, it was over. 
So then everything kind of goes 

860
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,320
quiet for the next 4 weeks. 
And so you had four weeks of 

861
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,960
saying, hey, we did the right 
thing. 

862
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,160
What was the discussion you had 
with your wife after that? 

863
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Yeah, it's over. 
We won. 

864
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,400
Let's and you know, it was the 
last four weeks of my surgical 

865
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,480
residency. 
So like, you know, we had, I had

866
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,840
a job in a small town outside of
Dallas. 

867
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,720
We're going to move out there. 
We were looking so forward to, 

868
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,360
you know, kind of starting this,
this next phase of our life. 

869
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,400
And so we were like looking 
forward to all that and kind of,

870
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,320
we're going to put this all 
behind us and be over with it. 

871
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,680
And that was it. 
And we're going to go on our 

872
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,320
honeymoon because we hadn't gone
on our honeymoon because, like, 

873
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,400
the day after my wedding, my 
front tooth came out. 

874
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Yeah. 
And it came out again later in a

875
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,120
story, like a day before I did 
my first interview with Tucker 

876
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Carlson. 
Yeah. 

877
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Which was, like, the worst time.
I had to go to like some strip 

878
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,600
mall dentist to have it glued 
back on. 

879
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,640
God has a sense of humor for us,
I feel like. 

880
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So you guys did a, you did a 

881
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,320
like a the high 5 good guys win 
like let's go get pizza kind of 

882
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,720
thing and we're going to go move
into our new life and let's see 

883
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,160
what happens in the next phase 
and. 

884
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,880
And that was it and. 
Then then the music changed 

885
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,160
because obviously that was not 
it. 

886
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,920
Yeah, so it was the day of my 
graduation from surgical 

887
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,920
training, June 23rd, 2023, One 
of the most important days of my

888
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,120
life, right? 
You work your entire life for 

889
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,720
this one moment, right? 
Like, you know, 9100 hour weeks 

890
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,640
for years, right? 
You sacrifice so much to get to 

891
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,560
that point where you're 
graduating that like the day you

892
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,280
graduate is monumental. 
So it's a Friday and my family's

893
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,360
in town. 
I'm getting ready for the 

894
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,520
ceremony later that evening. 
And then, you know, a couple 

895
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,320
hours before the ceremony, you 
get aggressive, knock on the 

896
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,520
door. 
And you know, I'm wearing like a

897
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,720
dumb like my, it was like one of
my favorite color written house 

898
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,600
T-shirts and like some dumb 
shorts from college. 

899
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,520
And I answer the door and 
standing outside, we're two 

900
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,120
armed federal agents with HHS. 
And in that moment, I just kind 

901
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,680
of freaked out. 
But like, you know, that kind of

902
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,800
primitive part of, you know, my 
lizard brain knew exactly what 

903
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,600
was going on, that they were 
there because of the Biden 

904
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,640
regime, that they knew it was me
who blew the whistle, and they 

905
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,080
were there to exact their 
revenge. 

906
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,080
So, you know, of course, I kind 
of freak out in the moment. 

907
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
And, like, against everyone's 
best advice, I invite them in 

908
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,000
and we sit down. 
They're right. 

909
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,360
Yeah. 
It's much easier said than done,

910
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,080
I'll tell you that. 
It is. 

911
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,960
And look, it's really important.
Maybe we can dwell on this for a

912
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,040
minute. 
What is the what is the 

913
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,400
physiological response and what 
is the psychological Dr. that 

914
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,400
you think brings people to talk 
to a federal agent knocking on 

915
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,800
their door? 
Oh, I'm I'm telling I and I 

916
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,240
understand so well because it 
happened twice, right? 

917
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,600
So the first time it's like 
you're, it's sheer panic where 

918
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,800
one second you're living in one 
world and then the next, next 

919
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,040
second you're like, holy crap, I
have federal agents coming to my

920
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,960
door. 
Like, you know, the extent of my

921
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,880
criminal record is like 
detention in the 4th grade. 

922
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,200
You know, like what's going on, 
right? 

923
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,120
I'm like, we're gonna. 
Get you to admit to that. 

924
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Yeah, yeah. 
And so it's like like I'm like 

925
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,960
exceptionally law abiding 
citizen and then now federal 

926
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,400
agents are at my door and this 
and like I had exposed something

927
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,960
that became illegal the very 
next day. 

928
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Like, what the hell is going on?
So you freak out and the moment 

929
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,960
you freak out, so the in terms 
of physiological response, you 

930
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,880
start sweating, your heart rate 
goes up, your vision gets 

931
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,880
constrained, right? 
Your sphincters get a little 

932
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,800
loose, right? 
You might crap your pants. 

933
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,360
I didn't crap my pants, but you 
know, I I will not say I was not

934
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,760
close to so you know, just a. 
Full, sympathetic, nervous. 

935
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,480
Response exactly. 
Yeah, so, but I knew what they 

936
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,080
were there for. 
But thank God, my wife is a 

937
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,040
brilliant attorney, right? 
So I invite them in. 

938
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,640
We sit down, exchange a little 
small talk, right? 

939
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,040
My dog's barking, but they pet 
my dog. 

940
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,160
They're cool, right? 
So they said, hey, you know, is 

941
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,000
it OK if we set up for an 
interview? 

942
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,360
And I'm like, oh, I guess so. 
So they start sending up a 

943
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,720
tripod on my my kitchen table, 
but they're kind of fumbling 

944
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,200
around with it. 
They're like not doing it too 

945
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,200
well, so. 
Do you think they were also 

946
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,760
nervous? 
No, no, they seem cool. 

947
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,920
They were like they were, they 
seem very reassured, like this 

948
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,000
dude is toy screwed. 
Like we, you know, he fell for 

949
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,240
it. 
He let us in like he's, you 

950
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:08,760
know, he's done for, right. 
So that's when my wife came out 

951
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,640
because she was getting ready 
for the graduation. 

952
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,680
She comes out and she sits down 
and, you know, she introduces 

953
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,280
herself. 
And then we look at each other. 

954
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,280
And then we knew that, like, we 
had to go back to, you know, 

955
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,320
have a private word in our 
bedroom. 

956
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,760
So we did. 
And she said, you know, you, we 

957
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,480
should not speak with these 
people without an attorney being

958
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
present. 
And I say, Andrea, you're right,

959
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,720
good idea. 
So we go back out there. 

960
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,120
We sit down, and then I tell 
them, you know, I'm not going to

961
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,040
speak with you guys without an 
attorney present. 

962
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,760
And they say, OK. 
And then they leave. 

963
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,240
But before they leave, they hand
me a target letter informing me 

964
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,000
that I'm a potential target of a
criminal investigation. 

965
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,560
And the five minutes after that 
door opened, the door closes and

966
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,680
they're gone. 
And my wife and I knew that like

967
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,800
our lives from then on out was 
going to be completely 

968
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,680
different. 
And we completely freaked out in

969
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,440
that moment, right? 
We kind of sit there for a 

970
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,840
minute and we're like, man, like
what do we do? 

971
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,760
You know, So what I, you know, 
both of us are non-smokers. 

972
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,240
But I thought, man, I really 
need a cigarette, you know? 

973
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,840
So I go out, I buy a pack of 
cigarettes. 

974
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,520
Did you really? 
Yeah. 

975
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,360
And then I come back and have 
you. 

976
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,520
Ever been a smoker? 
Not really like whenever I drank

977
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,920
in college, but like not really,
no. 

978
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,240
OK, but you've had a cigarette. 
It's not the first cigarette. 

979
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,720
You had No, this is not so. 
It's like I, I thought to 

980
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,880
myself, like man, like this. 
It seemed like the right thing 

981
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,960
to do was like smoke a 
cigarette, you know? 

982
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Is there a Is there a 
physiological need for the 

983
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,120
nicotine? 
Does it do something specific? 

984
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,040
Well, I think it because it was 
like, so when I got back, right,

985
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,680
both of us were just infuriated 
by by these people showing up on

986
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,120
the day of my graduation. 
It was like a sense of defiance,

987
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,640
right in the first moment we 
freaked out, right? 

988
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,160
We called Rufo and we let him 
know and he's like, all right, 

989
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
I'm going to put you in contact 
with like an attorney. 

990
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,360
So then my wife gets on the 
phone with a couple of 

991
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,760
attorneys. 
She starts talking to him, and I

992
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,200
run out and get cigarettes, 
right? 

993
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,160
So then when I get back, it's 
like, all right, we kind of had 

994
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,480
a plan by that point. 
So then we're like, all right, 

995
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,320
well, we're going to fight back 
because we said like, if we're 

996
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,040
going to pursue this story, 
like, we're going to do it like,

997
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,680
like, if this is this something 
I'm willing to die for? 

998
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,800
And the answer was yes, right? 
And that seems hyperbolic, but 

999
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,760
it's not right because the whole
time this had to be something I 

1000
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,480
was willing to go to prison for,
something I was willing to die 

1001
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,480
for. 
And it was. 

1002
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,600
So we made that we had that 
discussion beforehand so we knew

1003
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,520
what the right answer was, 
right? 

1004
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,480
So you know how do? 
You How do you think that you 

1005
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,360
came to be so convicted about 
this particular topic? 

1006
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,480
Because it was what happened 
during COVID, seeing the 

1007
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:01,120
destruction every single day 
during COVID had radicalized us 

1008
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,480
and radicalized towards like 
being human beings, like in 

1009
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,520
seeing individuals as like 
divine individuals, like made in

1010
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080
the image of God. 
And like because people are made

1011
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,120
in the image of God, we have to 
treat them accordingly. 

1012
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,120
And during COVID, that was the 
time that people were treated 

1013
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,600
like animals where they were 
allowed to die on their own, 

1014
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,440
right. 
And I was a party to that, you 

1015
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,440
know, in the guilt of that was 
horrendous. 

1016
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,920
And like I did everything I 
could to fight against it during

1017
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,120
COVID. 
But like, even for myself, there

1018
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,720
was I had a limited power to to 
do to do anything because I was 

1019
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,960
like a lowly resident, right? 
But like that, it was that that 

1020
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,920
had destroyed me. 
But in those ashes had now I, I 

1021
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,600
can see it, right? 
I was reborn into something 

1022
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,200
else, right? 
Into like someone who saw people

1023
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,640
as humans, right? 
Like I and I couldn't just let 

1024
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,960
this go, right. 
And my wife couldn't either 

1025
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,080
because I'm like a very easy 
going person by disposition. 

1026
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,720
But during COVID, I was an angry
person, like very, very angry, 

1027
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,160
angry all day, every day. 
And mostly I was angry at myself

1028
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,280
because I had allowed myself to 
be party to what was something 

1029
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,200
that was so manifestly evil, you
know. 

1030
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:27,240
And so that's that's what what 
had LED us to that decision, you

1031
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:31,720
know, because after seeing so 
many people die after, you know,

1032
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,600
especially with the kids too, 
the the COVID lockdowns, the 

1033
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,320
destruction it had on the kids 
is something that is 

1034
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,040
unimaginable. 
You become familiar with the 

1035
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,320
sound the mother makes when you 
tell her that her kid is dead, 

1036
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,240
because that sound became way 
more familiar during COVID 

1037
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,000
because of the lockdowns. 
You know, there was one girl who

1038
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,640
we saw who her parents were 
abusing her so bad she came in 

1039
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,560
with amputated fingers because 
her parents were were punishing 

1040
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,400
her by putting her hands into a 
seat, like into a window, like a

1041
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,960
wall fan, right? 
And it was on so the fingers 

1042
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,280
would just get chopped off. 
So the reason she came in is 

1043
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,520
because, you know, right, Like 
it was being picked up in school

1044
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,600
and her fingers were amputated 
and one of them were being was 

1045
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,920
infected, you know, and of 
course, this was during the 

1046
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,840
height of the lockdowns. 
And all this was able to happen 

1047
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,600
because these kids, these kids 
weren't in school for extended 

1048
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,560
periods of time. 
Parents lost their jobs, right? 

1049
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,720
They had gone crazy so. 
What a crazy view into, you 

1050
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,280
know, I think a lot of people 
felt like there was a lot of 

1051
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,280
tyranny and maybe there was a 
lot of, you know, government 

1052
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,000
overreach. 
I guess the I hadn't even 

1053
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,040
thought about the. 
I mean. 

1054
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,920
People, you know, like 
obviously. 

1055
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,600
What I saw was it's like I saw 
so many people I would take care

1056
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,960
of every single day, people who 
are older and they would, they 

1057
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,400
would suffer alone in this 
vortex of despair because it 

1058
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,080
wasn't only the physiological 
disease that killed him. 

1059
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,040
It was the despair of not having
their family member there. 

1060
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,360
And when you think about it, the
most important time when someone

1061
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,320
dies is that semi circle of 
people that forms around the 

1062
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,920
foot of their bed. 
And the moment they take their 

1063
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,480
last breath, they see the soul 
of the person they love the most

1064
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,120
ascend into, you know, the great
beyond into heaven. 

1065
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,880
And you know, the the 
reassurance of when you die of 

1066
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,520
having your family members there
is, is to know that the legacy 

1067
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,680
of what you left and that the 
people you love will be there 

1068
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,440
around you. 
And that a part of you will 

1069
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,080
always remain some part in this 
world. 

1070
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,440
But that was gone for so many 
people. 

1071
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,360
And I had to be a part of that. 
So it's like like every single 

1072
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,280
person that died, I'm talking 
about warehouses full of people 

1073
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:56,240
who were dying alone in despair,
away from the people they love 

1074
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,280
the most. 
And when they died, I had to 

1075
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,760
tell their wife, I'm sorry, but 
your husband has died. 

1076
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,640
And I had to hear the guilt on 
the wife's, in the wife's voice 

1077
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,720
when she said, you know, like 
she couldn't be there for it, 

1078
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,440
right? 
She couldn't be there for the 

1079
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,640
last couple of weeks. 
And and how many times did that 

1080
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,880
happen? 
Hundreds, hundreds of times in 

1081
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,400
my own experience. 
But also for the kids, you know?

1082
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,120
That's absolutely brutal. 
Do you think that have you 

1083
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,040
talked about that with other 
physicians that carry that 

1084
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,600
around with them? 
Yeah, well, it's some doctors, 

1085
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,400
because a lot of doctors went 
along with it. 

1086
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,440
They never acknowledged it 
because, like, you have two 

1087
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,520
options, right? 
You ignore it and go along with 

1088
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,200
it and you suppress those demons
or you acknowledge that this is 

1089
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,080
wrong, and it tears you up 
inside. 

1090
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,800
And for me, it tore me up inside
to the point that it was just 

1091
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,480
unbearable, absolutely 
unbearable. 

1092
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,840
So for me, it's like someone who
was a very easygoing 

1093
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,400
disposition. 
I became just just angry. 

1094
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:03,760
I mean, I'm talking about 
visceral anger and at myself, 

1095
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,720
you know, And like, you kind of 
know me. 

1096
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,080
Like, you know, facing 10 years 
in prison, Like, I kind of take 

1097
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,800
it in stride, but like, nothing 
compares to those days during 

1098
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,920
COVID when every single day I 
would go into work and I would 

1099
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,840
have to take care of these 
people who are dying. 

1100
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,280
And I would have to tell their 
families, no, you can't see your

1101
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,040
husband who you've been married 
to for 50 years, 60 years, you 

1102
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,840
know, in, in like. 
Do you think people will ever 

1103
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,560
tolerate that sort of no again? 
They shouldn't. 

1104
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,960
I really hope so because only 
time will tell. 

1105
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,400
People cannot tolerate it 
because it was one of the 

1106
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,960
biggest crimes, one of the most 
severe crimes the medical 

1107
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,920
profession has ever perpetuated.
On to the people we are supposed

1108
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,960
to take care of. 
And the COVID tyranny had just 

1109
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,440
LED it into the transgender 
tyranny because it it worked by 

1110
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,800
the same calculus where it was 
like, you have to have 

1111
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,400
physicians who don't question 
the underlying assumptions. 

1112
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,520
And that's how it's allowed to 
proliferate. 

1113
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,240
You threaten people with the 
loss of their job and their 

1114
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:12,000
income and the ability to take 
care of their family, but in the

1115
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,920
process you make them party to 
the crime itself, because by 

1116
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,160
being silent, you're party to 
it. 

1117
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:25,520
Yeah, that's, that's profound, 
Doc, that I mean, it is, I don't

1118
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,960
know if anybody else is thinking
that way in the medical field, 

1119
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,000
but that being complicit, the 
more you say yes is probably the

1120
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,320
more you're going to say yes 
too. 

1121
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,840
Yeah, and that's The thing is 
like, you know, by me not doing 

1122
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,160
anything about TCH lying about 
their transgender program, that 

1123
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,040
was me saying yes, right? 
And like, I saw what it was 

1124
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,160
doing to me during COVID, right?
It was destroying me. 

1125
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,200
It was, it was eating my soul 
from the inside out, right? 

1126
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,280
And like how, you know, my dad 
always told me he's like, you're

1127
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,280
a doctor, you have to take care 
of your patients. 

1128
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,440
And I saw what he did, you know,
how he took care of his 

1129
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,320
patients. 
And like, you know, the shame of

1130
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,280
not honoring my father, right, 
in his legacy, but also the 

1131
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,640
legacy of the medical 
profession. 

1132
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,680
How could I ever do that and 
look myself in the mirror and 

1133
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,320
and, you know, call myself a 
doctor? 

1134
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,480
Well, the answer is I can't, you
know, So that's why like these 

1135
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,800
conversations, like, was I 
willing to die for this? 

1136
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,320
Yes. 
Was I willing to go to prison? 

1137
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,280
Yes. 
Right. 

1138
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,800
Because it's like when you have 
the option between the two, two 

1139
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,920
paths, you know, the destruction
of your soul, right? 

1140
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,600
The the immolation of your soul,
right? 

1141
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,720
Or this other thing where you 
maybe take on the federal 

1142
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,680
government. 
The answer is clear. 

1143
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,200
You take on the federal 
government and that's what we 

1144
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,360
did because the day the agents 
came, we chained, smoked a pack 

1145
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,280
of cigarettes, listened to 
Vietnam War music, and drank 

1146
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,720
like 3 balls of champagne or 
patio because everything that 

1147
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,040
had culminated up until that 
point had got us ready for the 

1148
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,120
fight. 
And that's what I kind of meant 

1149
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,240
by God's Providence. 
Because it was only the pain and

1150
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:10,080
the suffering of seeing all 
those people, you know, despair 

1151
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,400
during the previous three years,
during COVID that had gotten our

1152
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,560
souls ready for the fight that 
was to come. 

1153
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,800
This is very cinematic stuff, 
but but once you've lived 

1154
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,600
something that extreme, people 
don't realize, like you start 

1155
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,320
living in a way that feels kind 
of like you're narrating your 

1156
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,000
own movie. 
Holy shit, man. 

1157
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,960
And that's only the beginning, 
because what happened afterwards

1158
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,800
was just like totally insane. 
I mean, if we like and and it 

1159
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,360
gets, it's like when you think 
one thing can't get crazier, it 

1160
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,200
just gets crazier. 
And it was just one gradually 

1161
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,920
more severe, like it just got 
crazier every day until the very

1162
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,400
end. 
Yeah, let's. 

1163
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,640
OK, so this is a good time. 
We're going to take a quick 

1164
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,200
breather with that cinematic 
moment. 

1165
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,280
We'll break for sponsor, and 
then we're going to come back. 

1166
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,960
And what we're going to say is 
rapid fire, going down the 

1167
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,280
rabbit hole of insanity. 
What happens when you decide to 

1168
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,400
pick a fight with the federal 
government? 

1169
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,320
What do you say? 
We'll take a quick breather 

1170
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,040
here. 
And just to remind you that this

1171
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,280
episode is brought to you by my 
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1172
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,160
You can find the website 
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1173
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,080
Kyle. 
Again, blackoutcoffee.com slash 

1174
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,760
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1175
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,760
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1176
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,040
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If you're not just trying to 

1177
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,360
grind something up and drink 
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1178
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,320
I know some of you were serving 
in the military. 

1179
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,720
A lot of you have worked in law 
enforcement. 

1180
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,120
You've had garbage coffee. 
It's not the way you need to 

1181
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,400
live. 
If there's one luxury you could 

1182
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,080
treat yourself to, it's the 
thing that wakes you up in the 

1183
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,480
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1184
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1185
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,480
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1186
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,520
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1187
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,600
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It's your daily luxury. 

1188
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,080
Treat yourself because you know 
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1189
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,960
At the end of the day, you're 
worth it and you might as well 

1190
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,920
have a cup of coffee that really
both agrees with your values, 

1191
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,800
agrees with your belly, agrees 
with your taste. 

1192
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,120
And it's not something kind of 
swilled mediocre, something out 

1193
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,600
of some red plastic nonsense. 
Check out my friends at 

1194
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,400
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1195
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,680
coffee. 
It is something we believe in. 

1196
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,080
We have an entire cart dedicated
to just coffee and coffee 

1197
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,960
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I do it with honey. 

1198
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,040
I do it with heavy cream. 
That's just how I roll. 

1199
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,120
I don't apologize. 
You don't need to either. 

1200
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,560
Block out coffee.com/kyle. 
Let's get back into our 

1201
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,480
conversation here. 
You're about to go down the 

1202
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,920
rabbit hole. 
Let's just dive in through the 

1203
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,840
manhole cover and see what 
happens next. 

1204
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,000
OK, so the agents leave you 
chain smoked some cigarettes. 

1205
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,880
Yeah, I go to my graduation 
later that evening and, you 

1206
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,960
know, like we celebrate with all
the people I trained with and my

1207
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,720
parents and, you know, we have a
great time. 

1208
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,600
And of course, like that, that 
kind of feeling of defiance 

1209
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,320
really lasts, you know, for that
moment in time. 

1210
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,240
It's, excuse me, much more 
difficult the next day, right, 

1211
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,600
where you realize, like, holy 
crap, like this is a big deal. 

1212
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,680
Like, we're really going up 
against something big. 

1213
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,240
But we got in touch with our 
attorney, Marcella Burke with by

1214
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,000
Christopher Ruffo. 
And she's like like a Bible 

1215
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,520
thumping rosary in one hand, 
middle finger in the other, 

1216
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,920
bulldog of an attorney, hardcore
Catholic, like she's like our 

1217
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,320
guardian Angel. 
And she was able to assemble 

1218
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,960
like a brilliant legal team. 
It was her, Jeff Hall, who is a 

1219
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,240
former federal prosecutor, and 
then Mark Lytle, who is 

1220
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,920
representing the IRS 
whistleblowers in the Hunter 

1221
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,040
Biden IRS case. 
And I had seen him on Fox News 

1222
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,720
the week before and that Monday,
right? 

1223
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,200
I'm on the phone with Marcella 
Burke, Jeff Hall and Mark 

1224
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,720
Lydell. 
And I'm like, man, like, all 

1225
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,760
right, this is a good legal 
team, you know, So we signed an 

1226
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,520
engagement letter with them. 
And over the next couple of 

1227
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,320
months, that's when things got 
really hairy in multiple 

1228
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,960
different ways. 
So this it was when my attorneys

1229
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,360
first got in contact with the 
prosecutor. 

1230
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,520
Her name is Tina Ansari. 
She's a, a USA in the Southern 

1231
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,880
District of Texas, which is the 
same position as my wife, the 

1232
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,240
the same position my wife had 
just been hired for, but in the 

1233
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,000
Northern District of Texas. 
So you know, the target letter 

1234
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,440
said they wanted to meet with me
like July 7th. 

1235
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,080
So my attorneys reach out and 
say, OK, we're representing Dr. 

1236
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:25,080
Heim, let's meet, let's talk. 
So July 7th comes by, right? 

1237
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,760
And they came June 23rd. 
So July 7th comes by, no answer,

1238
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,760
right? 
A couple more weeks go by, a 

1239
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,800
couple more, you know, meetings,
No answer. 

1240
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,800
She cancels, right? 
Very like shaky, very 

1241
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,480
questionable. 
So finally get in touch with 

1242
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,440
this attorney, Tina Ansari, and 
all of what I'm about to say is 

1243
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,200
written in a letter to Congress 
because my, it was so shocking. 

1244
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,160
My attorneys wrote a letter to 
Jim Jordan in the weaponization 

1245
01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:00,480
subcommittee, right? 
So in that first call, she 

1246
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,200
admits to my attorneys that she 
sent agents to my home without 

1247
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,080
ever reviewing the evidence 
beforehand. 

1248
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,560
Right. 
Wait, what? 

1249
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So she sent agents to my home 

1250
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,000
like on the day of my 
graduation. 

1251
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,080
She's the one. 
You did it though. 

1252
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,040
Yeah, she never reviewed the 
evidence before doing it. 

1253
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,960
What was the allegation that 
sent them there? 

1254
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,400
She wasn't quite sure. 
She had to like, talk to the 

1255
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,600
agents. 
And then she's like, oh, it's 

1256
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,280
HIPAA. 
But my attorneys are like, well,

1257
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,800
what do you mean HIPAA? 
And she's like, oh, all right, 

1258
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,720
let me call you back. 
And it was very unprofessional. 

1259
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,680
And it was like very clear. 
She had no idea what this story 

1260
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,560
was like, what the investigation
was about, right? 

1261
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,560
But she was agent then. 
So it was her. 

1262
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,760
And then Hamdani, because we 
would later find out that. 

1263
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,400
And let me back up Hamdani 
Alamdar. 

1264
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,720
Hamdani is a politically 
appointed US Attorney of the 

1265
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,320
Southern District of Texas. 
So each state is broken up into 

1266
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,760
federal districts. 
In charge of each district is 

1267
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,880
AUS attorney who's appointed by 
the president. 

1268
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:07,080
So Alamdar Hamdani is the Biden 
appointed US Attorney, so of 

1269
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,440
course some political operative.
And as we would later find out, 

1270
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Tina Ansari is also a political 
operative. 

1271
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:19,800
So they had bypassed all of the 
deputies between the US attorney

1272
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,200
and the AUSA in order to bring 
this case only themselves, which

1273
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,640
is kind of like General Patton, 
you know, making his war 

1274
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,440
strategy with like, a private 
first class or something, you 

1275
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,800
know, very atypical for like, 
everyone in the middle to be cut

1276
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,400
out. 
So it was being driven by 

1277
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,480
Hamdani, Tina Ansari, the AUSA. 
But then also my belief is from 

1278
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:47,240
DC, right? 
So we find out that this lady is

1279
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,120
has no idea what this case is 
about. 

1280
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,800
She thinks I released names. 
I obviously did not release 

1281
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,000
names. 
But then she also, you know, 

1282
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,040
after demonstrating a complete 
lack of understanding about what

1283
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,720
this case is about, she did 
enough research to find out my 

1284
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,440
wife had just been hired as a 
assistant US attorney in the 

1285
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,880
Northern District of Texas and 
was undergoing a background 

1286
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,640
check. 
And she says, well, you know, 

1287
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,040
I'm surprised Andrea had 
interfered with this 

1288
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,680
investigation, you know, because
I understand she's undergoing a 

1289
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,720
background check. 
I'm not going to bring this up 

1290
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,520
with the the FBI unless she 
continues to become difficult. 

1291
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,720
So in the first call, she she 
admitted that she sent agents to

1292
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,400
my home without ever reviewing 
the evidence. 

1293
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,840
But also she threatened my wife.
Yeah. 

1294
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,800
OK, your resolve is hardened or 
loosened. 

1295
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,640
So once you threaten my wife, 
game on. 

1296
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,840
There was no going back, right? 
It's like you threaten my wife. 

1297
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:50,120
That's a problem, major problem.
So after that point, we the 

1298
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,240
calls only got crazier and 
crazier, right? 

1299
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,000
Where she says, you know, this 
is over the next couple of 

1300
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,960
months where she's saying that 
she's in contact with the 

1301
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,360
transgender families. 
These are the real victims. 

1302
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,800
Also, the real victims are the 
doctors in the hospital. 

1303
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:10,040
And most importantly, she says 
that she's going to bring my 

1304
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,720
case to a jury trial, even on a 
technicality, even if she's sure

1305
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,520
she's going to lose, right? 
Which means that, like, her 

1306
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,920
investigation at this point 
before the indictment is not 

1307
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,680
about justice. 
This is all about like, 

1308
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,520
destruction, right? 
It's all about weaponization. 

1309
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,840
Yeah, it sounds like a crusade. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1310
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,280
It, it was like, like, like a 
like a train rolling downhill 

1311
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,760
without brake pads. 
Like this was something that was

1312
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,720
going to continue on no matter 
what. 

1313
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,840
And like, even after my 
attorneys like, you know, 

1314
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,720
express like, hey, well, no 
names were released. 

1315
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,360
How could this be a HIPAA 
violation? 

1316
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,400
She didn't. 
She was unwilling to see it. 

1317
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,440
And of course, because this was 
a politically motivated case. 

1318
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,160
So it was during this last, you 
know, it was the last 

1319
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,480
conversation where she told me 
she was going to take me a trial

1320
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,640
even if she was sure she was 
going to lose. 

1321
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,760
That was like the last straw. 
That was in October of 2023, 

1322
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,560
four months after the agents 
first came. 

1323
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,320
And that was like the first 
couple of weeks I started my job

1324
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,960
as a general surgeon after my 
training, right? 

1325
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,920
And by that point too, we were 
completely broke because we were

1326
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,520
paying our attorneys, right? 
And like the amount of research 

1327
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,080
that has to go into this 
hundreds of thousands of 

1328
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,520
dollars. 
So we have like $2000 to my 

1329
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,120
name, you know, like I had just 
started my new job. 

1330
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,840
And at that point, it's like 
this prosecutor, she's going to 

1331
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,960
criminally indict me. 
She's going to send me to prison

1332
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,439
for a decade. 
And like, I'm still anonymous at

1333
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,760
the time because the last thing 
I want to do is take this story 

1334
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,640
public. 
So what was your? 

1335
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:46,520
What was your student loan debt 
looking like for for going 

1336
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:47,800
through medical school or did 
you have any? 

1337
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,080
So luckily I didn't have any 
because yeah, you know, that was

1338
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:51,800
pretty. 
Rare, right? 

1339
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,319
Yeah, because in Florida it was 
pretty affordable. 

1340
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,520
It was affordable. 
So the reason I bring that up, 

1341
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,560
there seems to be a almost 
universal theme that the people 

1342
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,439
that have decided my little crew
of suspendables, that the folks 

1343
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,279
that have stepped up and said 
I'm willing to take this fight 

1344
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:11,720
on, they seem to be more or less
financially solvent. 

1345
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:16,120
And I don't know why that's a 
common thread, but it seems like

1346
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,960
a like a like a mindset of 
responsibility. 

1347
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,920
Yeah, helps you do that. 
And if you don't owe debts, you 

1348
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,120
can you can do things that other
people maybe won't do or can't 

1349
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:25,439
do. 
And. 

1350
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,160
I, I think that's, that's 
probably a good point because 

1351
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,800
like for example, for me, you 
know, for, for me, my wife, at 

1352
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,800
that time, we didn't have any 
debts. 

1353
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,080
We had no money, but we didn't 
have any debt, right. 

1354
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,479
So I, yeah, I think that's, 
that's probably a good point. 

1355
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,680
You know, something that's kind 
of profound because it's like, 

1356
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,880
yeah, it's, it's, it's a big 
deal. 

1357
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,640
You know, well, it's a, it's an 
argument in favor of financial 

1358
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,080
responsibility because it gives 
you the power to do the thing 

1359
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,040
that you're supposed to do, I 
think. 

1360
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,479
Yeah. 
I think so. 

1361
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:53,880
We'll have to reflect on this at
another time. 

1362
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,320
Maybe we'll get a panel together
and talk about financial 

1363
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,760
responsibility and the ability 
to blow the whistle. 

1364
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,160
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 
No, I could see that. 

1365
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,120
But so it was at that point in 
October 2023, right, that it was

1366
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,840
like, all right, well, I have to
take the story public because if

1367
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,640
I don't like the DOJ is going to
crush me, I'm going to be 

1368
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,160
crushed by an avalanche 
propaganda, right? 

1369
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,320
And then like, no one's going to
hear the truth of what really 

1370
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,600
happened. 
So over the next couple of 

1371
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,160
months, we start getting ready, 
right? 

1372
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,280
So we decided in October of 
2023, I'm going to take the 

1373
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,800
story public. 
What? 

1374
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,400
Was that conversation or what 
were the what was the final 

1375
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,400
moment where you said this is 
where it's go time, you got to 

1376
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,880
be loud? 
So of course it's like another 

1377
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,800
pack of cigarettes, you know, 
chain smoke. 

1378
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It's terrible. 

1379
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,320
Yeah, I know, I know. 
Yeah. 

1380
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,600
And we, you know, it's like we 
don't smoke anymore. 

1381
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,360
I mean, it's like it's like 
situations like this. 

1382
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,960
It's like, of course you kind of
need to smoke a cigarettes like 

1383
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,480
you know it's. 
I think, I don't know why I 

1384
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:55,240
think that's so funny because 
one, maybe it's the the medical 

1385
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,000
background too. 
And also I've just never had, 

1386
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,200
I've never had an instinct for 
it. 

1387
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,280
So I just yeah, you know, a lot 
of the guys that would throw a 

1388
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,000
dip in though when something was
getting, you know, kind of 

1389
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,440
heavy. 
So I get it. 

1390
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:04,880
I've seen. 
It Oh, yeah, yeah. 

1391
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,480
No, I, I used to dip. 
That was like, my thing was like

1392
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:08,320
chewing tobacco. 
Of course. 

1393
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:16,520
Yeah. 
So, you know, we, we decide, 

1394
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,640
right? 
That conversation was tense. 

1395
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,720
Oh my God, that I'm just 
thinking back just brings back 

1396
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,000
like memories of horror. 
I'm telling you, man, sheer 

1397
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,280
horror. 
Because like, we were on the 

1398
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,960
precipice of like doing the most
insane thing you could ever 

1399
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,920
imagine. 
Because think about it, two 

1400
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,880
people, Andrea and me, we don't 
have social media. 

1401
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,280
We don't know anyone, right? 
Both of us just started a job. 

1402
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,760
She just started her job at the 
Department of Justice. 

1403
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,920
And her husband, me, is about to
take this story public, accusing

1404
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,640
the DOJ of like, like the worst 
possible corruption. 

1405
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,520
And like, like, we had zero 
money. 

1406
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,880
And I thought my job was going 
to fire me and I was going to 

1407
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,440
lose my license and everything. 
But like, we were backed into a 

1408
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,320
corner. 
We had no option, right? 

1409
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,600
Like, so it's like they're 
putting into this us into this 

1410
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,720
position, right? 
And we had to do something 

1411
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,400
because at the same point too, 
there's more to it because we 

1412
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,960
were broke. 
The the DOJ was completely 

1413
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,240
corrupt. 
But also people were writing 

1414
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:23,320
reviews about me online, right? 
Malicious reviews accusing me of

1415
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,800
sexually abusing patients behind
closed doors in like patient 

1416
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,400
rooms, right? 
And I knew that. 

1417
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,640
And the first review came like 
July 3rd, a week after the 

1418
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,240
agents came on June 23rd. 
And by the language, right, I 

1419
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,840
could tell that this was an 
activist. 

1420
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,680
So over the course of the next 
couple months, between June and 

1421
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,200
January 2024, right, we did our 
own investigation. 

1422
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,000
We had subpoenaed WebMD to get 
the IP address. 

1423
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,600
And by doing that investigation,
we had found that the individual

1424
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,880
who was writing all these 
reviews was the same person, and

1425
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,200
it was someone who was in the 
hospital who was part of this 

1426
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,480
story, like a main person of 
this story. 

1427
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,600
Has that been exposed? 
Not yet, Not yet. 

1428
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,520
But but you have some, you have 
some intentions. 

1429
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,280
I know. 
I know who it is, yeah. 

1430
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,800
Yeah. 
Is there a is there a a legal 

1431
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,520
liability for this person? 
The session limitations has 

1432
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,200
already passed, but there's, 
there's, yeah, there's things 

1433
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,800
that can happen. 
Yeah, got it. 

1434
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,760
So one activist decided to go 
out and smear you publicly in a 

1435
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,200
place where you're reviewed for.
Being from the hospital, I'm 

1436
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,120
talking about from Texas 
Children's Hospital, right? 

1437
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,560
So, so multiple angles of being 
attacked, right. 

1438
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,400
Like my hospital's like, Oh my 
God, what are these awful 

1439
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,960
reviews? 
Are you like a sexual like 

1440
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,520
predator? 
It's like, no, you know, it's 

1441
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,920
like these are fake reviews 
being posted by activists from 

1442
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,160
this hospital who had released 
my name, right? 

1443
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,520
And then then the DOJ, right? 
Everything's corrupt. 

1444
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,240
So it's like you're on this 
precipice where you're about to 

1445
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,400
do the craziest thing 
imaginable, like something 

1446
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,960
that's never been done before. 
And we're like, whatever we got 

1447
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,840
to do it. 
We have no other option because 

1448
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,560
we're backed into a corner. 
So we do it. 

1449
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,720
And we film an interview with 
Chris Caruffo in November of 

1450
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,440
2023. 
And then we knew that with 

1451
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,760
Thanksgiving, Christmas, the New
Year's, we were going to release

1452
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,400
it after, right? 
So it comes out January 10th, 

1453
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,560
2024. 
And you know, I go public and 

1454
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,680
that's when that week was when I
first met you, right? 

1455
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,840
And and that's what, you know, 
that was very nerve wracking 

1456
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,640
too. 
It's totally insane, you know? 

1457
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,240
Why was that insane? 
Because it's like I, I had 

1458
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,720
listened to you before and like,
I had heard your story. 

1459
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,360
Like, like you were one of the 
people like who hadn't inspired 

1460
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,160
me beforehand. 
Like there was this whole host 

1461
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,680
of people who had served as my 
inspirations. 

1462
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,200
Like, holy crap, look at these 
FBI whistleblowers. 

1463
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,880
Like they're kind of in a 
similar position to me. 

1464
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,440
But like, I was actually more 
concerned for you guys that you 

1465
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:02,000
guys might get murdered. 
And you know, that's just 

1466
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,640
honestly what I thought. 
Because it's like FBI is like a 

1467
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,320
whole different ball game of 
risk when you're exposing the 

1468
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,560
Biden administration. 
For me, this was a Texas story. 

1469
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,560
So it's kind of a different 
threat level for you guys. 

1470
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,640
I was like, legitimately 
concerned, you know? 

1471
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,600
What it's worth, I was a 
legitimately concerned 

1472
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,920
originally and then probably 
about the same way as you. 

1473
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,400
You start doing the work and you
don't have any time to worry 

1474
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,240
about yourself and that you got 
to just keep busy. 

1475
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:26,720
I imagine that's the same thing 
you did. 

1476
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,080
And and plus having like an 
arsenal of guns and like 10s of 

1477
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,040
thousands of rounds helps too. 
Yeah, it doesn't solve. 

1478
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,640
It doesn't solve the problem if 
you've got to sleep right. 

1479
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,120
But at the end of the day, you 
can't worry about danger if 

1480
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,720
you're trying to do the right 
thing and you got to just keep 

1481
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,800
pushing forward, which is kind 
of I, I imagine what? 

1482
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,080
OK, so you decide to go public. 
You do the thing. 

1483
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:45,760
Chris Ruffo airs the interview. 
What was the first response you 

1484
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,000
got during that week? 
So it was. 

1485
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,840
It was, you know, maybe the 
first day complete panic, but 

1486
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,360
then then you kind of get into 
the groove, right? 

1487
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,760
Like I just got back to surgery,
right? 

1488
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,960
And, and I luckily I work in a 
place that is very supportive, 

1489
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,880
right? 
An amazing small town and I was,

1490
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,240
I was truly blessed. 
And that's another part of God's

1491
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,000
province, right? 
It's like somehow before all 

1492
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,520
this happened, I ended up 
working in like the smallest 

1493
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:20,440
town and it's like a gem of, of 
people who are like the, the God

1494
01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:25,120
fearing brilliant, like, you 
know, you know, humble, you 

1495
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,480
know, neighborly people who are 
like the best people in in this 

1496
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,560
country and. 
The alternative is you go to a 

1497
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,720
big hospital that's got a big 
marquee name and there's a big 

1498
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,040
budget behind the department and
they all side with the 

1499
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,800
transgender activist. 
Yeah, And this was, you know, I 

1500
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,840
work in a small County Hospital,
right? 

1501
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,280
And, and it's it's a public 
hospital, but the people there 

1502
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,600
are the best people in the 
world. 

1503
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,120
So they stood behind me. 
And then so the next six months 

1504
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,480
go by, right, where I'm just 
telling the story, trying to 

1505
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:59,440
raise enough money to fight the 
legal battle that I know is 

1506
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,600
eventually coming, right. 
So let's Fast forward a couple 

1507
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,200
months, right, to June of 2024, 
a year after, right? 

1508
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:11,800
The feds initially came, and 
that's when the indictment came 

1509
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,760
at 7:30 in the, you know, 7:00 
in the morning, you know, 3 

1510
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,360
heavily armed federal agents, US
Marshals. 

1511
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,440
My wife knew one of them because
she works at the office, right? 

1512
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:27,480
And, you know, they show up to 
my house like I'm a drug kingpin

1513
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:33,640
and they hand me a, you know, 
indictment, 4 felonies that I'm 

1514
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,960
being charged with up to a 
decade in prison. 

1515
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,080
And, you know, so I can have my 
arraignment like a week after 

1516
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,680
that, right? 
The arraignment is where you go 

1517
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,320
in front of a judge and you have
to plead not guilty. 

1518
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:52,680
So I go to Houston, right? 
And you'll have my legal team 

1519
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,400
are ready to fight. 
And at that point, like, you 

1520
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,640
know, we had raised a good 
amount of money at that point, 

1521
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,240
especially in the days after the
indictment. 

1522
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,800
So I go to the arraignment, 
right? 

1523
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,160
I stand in front of a judge and 
in that arraignment, the FBI 

1524
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:14,280
agent Paul Nixon, the guy who 
was in the video from Vanessa 

1525
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,680
Savage, right? 
That famous video of the guy in 

1526
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,640
the red shirt who was like a 
complete asshole, right? 

1527
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,040
He came to that arraignment. 
He was sitting right behind me, 

1528
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,040
right? 
Right behind me and my pregnant 

1529
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,280
wife. 
And how, how odd is that for an 

1530
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,000
FBI agent? 
You were an FBI agent to come to

1531
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,240
a arraignment, right? 
For like, someone they're 

1532
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,520
investigating. 
And he sits right behind me like

1533
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,240
some type of creeper. 
Like, that's crazy, you know? 

1534
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,640
It's fairly common actually to 
show up for the initial 

1535
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:42,600
appearance. 
People do that. 

1536
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,320
Oh, really? 
It's more common than you'd 

1537
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:44,720
think. 
Yeah. 

1538
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,680
All right. 
Well, I'll. 

1539
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,000
I'll tell you. 
They're the one who arrests you.

1540
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,880
So for what it's worth, so 
people can understand the 

1541
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,800
process and how it usually would
go down. 

1542
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,640
Usually somebody would come and 
the indictment would equal 

1543
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,720
either a surrender or an arrest 
warrant. 

1544
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,440
Then you would be taken into 
custody, brought in front of a 

1545
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,000
judge. 
Then you have your initial 

1546
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,800
appearance and the person who 
brought you in front would 

1547
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,360
actually be that agent. 
Then they either turn you over 

1548
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,200
to the marshals or they release 
you on your own recognizance, 

1549
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,400
whatever is going to happen 
next. 

1550
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,160
So that that's fairly common. 
The fact that we're talking 

1551
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,160
about something that is not 
violent, white collar, sketchy 

1552
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,480
medical question that, you know,
they let you drive down there 

1553
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,800
yourself, I assume. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1554
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,080
So. 
It's kind of a different animal,

1555
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,040
but it's not the craziest thing 
to imagine an FBI agent. 

1556
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,520
They're just for context. 
I don't think it's that. 

1557
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:27,760
Wild. 
And and that's, that's good to 

1558
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,080
know, right? 
I don't like it any better. 

1559
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,440
I don't like it any better. 
But I, I appreciate that to know

1560
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,480
that it's, it's not that 
uncommon. 

1561
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:35,280
It's good to know. 
But still, he sat right behind 

1562
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,720
me. 
Very weird, you know, I felt 

1563
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,520
very uncomfortable. 
I imagine you did, Sure. 

1564
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,160
Yeah, so I plead not guilty, but
of course, this isn't a federal 

1565
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,880
Criminal Court, right? 
So like everyone else came out 

1566
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,800
in like orange jumpsuit and like
handcuffs. 

1567
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,080
So it's like the person before 
me was like a pedophile. 

1568
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,520
The one before that was like, 
you know, trafficking like 100 

1569
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,000
lbs of cocaine. 
And then it's me, right? 

1570
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,120
Like who's like some fake crime 
and, you know, no judgement on 

1571
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,800
these other people, right? 
Like it's just not to say that 

1572
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,240
these people are like less than 
me or anything. 

1573
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,040
It's just, it's kind of a, it's 
a crazy like comparison that 

1574
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,640
like somehow this. 
Corrupt case, you know, And I 

1575
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,800
think that's what they wanted to
show me, right? 

1576
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,680
That like you're going to end up
in a prison just like everyone 

1577
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,120
else. 
Is that what you thought? 

1578
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
That they wanted to make sure it

1579
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,720
was done that way, right? 
To scare me, right? 

1580
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:28,920
So you could see what was 
coming. 

1581
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,840
Exactly. 
Yeah, because they were Steve 

1582
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,200
Baker. 
My friend said the same thing 

1583
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,520
when he was put out there on 4 
misdemeanor charges. 

1584
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,040
Yeah. 
He's like they leg. 

1585
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,680
Shackled me. 
They took me out and they sat me

1586
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,280
next to a meth dealer in a jail 
cell for four hours so I could 

1587
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:41,480
get my mind right. 
Yeah. 

1588
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,320
And and then they read in front 
of the entire courtroom and 

1589
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,200
there were reporters in there 
too, right, For these counts 

1590
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:51,160
for, you know, disclosure for, 
you know, filing patient, you 

1591
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,240
know, rights and whatever, 10 
years in prison, right? 

1592
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,880
The whole point is like the 
theater of it. 

1593
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:02,040
And you know, like, because I 
know this, right, Because the my

1594
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,600
attorneys had a conversation in 
that courtroom that day with 

1595
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,880
Tina Ansari, the late prosecutor
had been threatening my wife, 

1596
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,920
who had been threatening me. 
Super corrupt. 

1597
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,840
The first thing she says to my 
attorney, Ryan Patrick, who was 

1598
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,120
her old boss, by the way, 
because Ryan Patrick was the 

1599
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,520
former US attorney under Trump 
of the Southern District. 

1600
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,960
He was, you know, following him 
was Hamdani, right? 

1601
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,960
So, you know, Tina Ansari was 
this AUSA under Ryan Patrick, 

1602
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,280
who was now representing me, 
right? 

1603
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:36,600
The first thing that Tina Ansari
says in that courtroom is, are 

1604
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:37,920
we really going to try this 
case? 

1605
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,400
The implication being like, why 
isn't he just plead to something

1606
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:47,360
and and get all over with? 
And it's like, yeah, you're 

1607
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,280
wrong, lady. 
There's no way in fucking hell 

1608
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:54,360
I'm going to plead to something.
No way, no, no way I would ever 

1609
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,880
do that. 
So right, the fight's on. 

1610
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,920
And then after that I love. 
Your attitude about this because

1611
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,240
I I empathize with it so much. 
I feel like it's such people 

1612
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,000
don't get it. 
Like what drives you like that 

1613
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,560
that got you going. 
Like they wanted to intimidate 

1614
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:11,760
you and it changed you the other
way. 

1615
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,720
Yeah, because it's like, it's 
like you see me as such a 

1616
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,840
peasant. 
Like, like you think that I can 

1617
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,200
just be intimidated into 
pleading to a crime that never 

1618
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,560
happens. 
Like, it's like a like a a shame

1619
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,920
on my dignity as a man, right. 
Especially as a future father 

1620
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,360
because my wife was pregnant at 
the time. 

1621
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,240
Like, if you think you can do 
this to me, like, no, like I 

1622
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,600
will die before that. 
That comes, right. 

1623
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,880
And I'll go to jail before that 
comes. 

1624
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,000
I'll do anything in order to 
prevent you from getting the 

1625
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,960
satisfaction of beating me, 
which we ended up winning, 

1626
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,160
right? 
Turned out, turned out God wins.

1627
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:51,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, Exactly. 

1628
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,120
Exactly. 
It's, it's, it's sheer audacity,

1629
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:59,760
anger and perseverance and, and 
like, you know, understanding 

1630
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,200
why you're doing because 
everything I explained before, 

1631
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,840
like it was like to, to give in,
to go, it would be to go back to

1632
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,040
that person during COVID, right?
That perpetual anger that I 

1633
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,920
could never live with. 
So, right, we were going to 

1634
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,480
fight back and I was going to do
so in a very public way because 

1635
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,240
that was my only way to fight 
back was to speak publicly to 

1636
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,520
make sure that I was going to 
be, you know, deluged by an 

1637
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,760
avalanche of propaganda because,
you know, every mainstream media

1638
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,120
source was going to lie about 
what this case was about, right?

1639
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:33,600
So I had to tell my own story. 
And X was like the most critical

1640
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,600
thing because without X, there's
no way to tell the story. 

1641
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,400
I mean, and, and you're a part 
of that, right? 

1642
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,280
Like legally you're a part of 
that because. 

1643
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:43,800
You know, that's right. 
I forgot that's. 

1644
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,360
Really. 
Yeah, Yeah, that's funny. 

1645
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,920
So to kind of break down the 
next couple of months, so the 

1646
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,440
DOJ's case completely fell apart
over the next couple of months 

1647
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,240
because we fought back and it 
fell apart in a number of ways. 

1648
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,280
First of all, their initial 
indictment said that I had no 

1649
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:09,600
reason to be a TCH in May, April
and May of 2023, right, Even 

1650
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,160
though they had evidence that 
showed I was rotating and 

1651
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:17,000
operating there, right? 
And April, May of 2023, but 

1652
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,320
their indictment was was telling
some like completely fake story.

1653
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,760
So like I knew it was a fake 
story and we just had to get 

1654
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,080
evidence from TCH right. 
So we did. 

1655
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:32,000
And and you know, we go through 
this long, you know, hundreds of

1656
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,600
thousands of dollars of legal 
battle for like in September and

1657
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,160
October. 
What ends up happening is, 

1658
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:44,200
right, the TCH discloses to DOJ.
Oh, you know, in actuality, 

1659
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,960
yeah. 
Doctor Heim was working at TCH 

1660
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,840
in April, May of 2023. 
He was operating on the day that

1661
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,040
he requested access. 
And what they were accusing me 

1662
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,640
of was accessing the medical 
records without authorization, 

1663
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,120
right? 
Like I hacked into the system, 

1664
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,800
right? 
But that was not true, right? 

1665
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:09,000
I was working there, but the 
DOJ's own evidence showed that I

1666
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,640
was working there. 
So their first indictment fell 

1667
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,280
apart, right? 
They had to go back to another 

1668
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,960
grand jury and come up with 
another indictment. 

1669
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,160
And, you know, they had to, in 
their emotions, they had to 

1670
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,720
acknowledge that they presented 
false information to the first 

1671
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,120
grand jury, but they said they 
didn't do so knowingly. 

1672
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,840
And it's my opinion that that's 
BS, right? 

1673
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,640
Because the most critical 
information, the unsealed 

1674
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,160
evidence from the first grand 
jury, right, shows in the most 

1675
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:45,040
explicit way possible that the 
DOJ was in possession of 

1676
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,280
evidence that showed I was 
operating and rotating a TCH in 

1677
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,080
April and May of 2023, which is 
why I requested access in the 

1678
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,480
1st place. 
So their first indictment falls 

1679
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:59,440
apart, right? 
Big victory, right? 

1680
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,600
We think, all right, you know, 
like they have no case against 

1681
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,240
me. 
In between the 1st and the 

1682
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,120
second indictment, That's when 
they changed the victims from 

1683
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:12,840
TCH and his patients to TCH and 
his physicians, which was the 

1684
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,400
first time in American history 
that HIPAA was being used not to

1685
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:21,240
protect patient privacy, but 
rather to protect multibillion 

1686
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,400
dollar hospital systems in the 
academic institutions that 

1687
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,440
protect them or that that work 
there. 

1688
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,240
So they had to make a big 
decision, is that correct, that 

1689
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,480
they were going to change the 
way that they're going to try to

1690
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:33,160
argue and, and, and bring the 
case? 

1691
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,360
Yeah, my wife is a federal 
prosecutor, right? 

1692
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,280
She knows how this happens. 
They had to sit around the 

1693
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,720
conference room and think, all 
right, how are we going to do 

1694
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,240
this? 
Are we have we can't prove 

1695
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,400
disclosure. 
So they took out disclosure 

1696
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,840
because there was never any 
disclosure, right. 

1697
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,600
So that's like the criminally 
actual language in the in HIPAA 

1698
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,840
is disclosure because there's no
violation of information if you 

1699
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,240
don't disclose it, right? 
It's like you can't murder 

1700
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,640
someone unless someones dead 
right? 

1701
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,040
No, I understand. 
Yeah, the element. 

1702
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,160
Of the yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So so like if the person is 

1703
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,760
alive, you can't charge someone 
with murder. 

1704
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,880
And if the if the information 
didn't go anywhere except in 

1705
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,040
your eyeballs and into your 
brain, then who knows so. 

1706
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:13,240
Exactly. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1707
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,040
Because that's the nature of 
what a doctor does is you see 

1708
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,560
all this information, most of 
that information is not your 

1709
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,440
patients. 
But so they had to figure out, 

1710
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:21,880
all right, how we're going to do
this, right? 

1711
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,240
Well, we can't say patients are 
the victims because we can't do 

1712
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,640
disclosure. 
So they took out disclosure, 

1713
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,840
right? 
And then they changed private 

1714
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,800
health information to just 
information, right. 

1715
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,400
So, and then they changed TCH 
and patients to TCH and 

1716
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,840
physicians. 
So in all these big changes, it 

1717
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,680
went from, you know, legally 
actionable language to legally 

1718
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,600
meaningless language. 
And in the process they changed 

1719
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:54,960
it to obtained and or disclosed 
to obtained and or use, right. 

1720
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,880
But use is not a word that's in 
the HIPAA statute, right? 

1721
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,040
So it goes back to like the 
murder thing, right? 

1722
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,800
Like you can't charge someone 
with murder if they didn't die. 

1723
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,320
Use is not part of the criminal 
statute. 

1724
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:10,600
Right. 
So there's something common here

1725
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,240
though, and I think This is why 
weaponization is necessary to to

1726
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,280
kind of bring into the, the, the
fray. 

1727
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,880
A lot of the things that were 
done under the Biden DOJ 

1728
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,160
involved what I've used the term
novel interpretation of a 

1729
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,320
statute. 
In other words, it's the first 

1730
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,640
time that they've used the 
statute in a specific way. 

1731
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,760
The Fisher case, which was 
decided in the Supreme Court, 

1732
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,880
was one of those where they 
decided that obstruction of 

1733
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,320
justice could mean something 
that it had never meant before. 

1734
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,960
It was something he brought up 
during the Enron, you know, the 

1735
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,600
Enron debacle. 
And they went after them for, 

1736
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,640
for January 6th. 
You're another one of these 

1737
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,520
people where they said let's 
interpret the statute in a way 

1738
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,040
that we can bring this. 
And you know, that's a really 

1739
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,120
important point to bring up 
because my attorney brought this

1740
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,480
up in the motion to dismiss. 
For DOJ prosecutors to do that, 

1741
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,520
they have to have it approved by
Congress, right? 

1742
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,080
No, that and that's rule like, 
like if you're going to 

1743
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,000
interpret a criminal statute, a 
felony statute in a completely 

1744
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,560
novel way, you have to have it 
approved by Congress that. 

1745
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,200
Would usually mean that Congress
just passes a law that says it 

1746
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,280
Yeah, this is what we. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1747
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,280
Like it has to go through a 
formal process of approval. 

1748
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,720
Interesting. 
So that didn't happen, of 

1749
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,520
course, and that's like a very 
minor technicality that my 

1750
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,160
attorneys found, but which is 
huge. 

1751
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,320
But they also had shown that 
they're in the entire predicate 

1752
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,720
of their case was 
unconstitutional, right? 

1753
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,320
Like fundamentally 
unconstitutional what they were 

1754
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,840
doing, which makes it illegal, 
right? 

1755
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:38,240
So, and so the second indictment
was changed in a way, right, to 

1756
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,960
where the victims were no longer
patients, but TCH and as 

1757
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,040
physicians, those physicians 
being Baylor College Medicine 

1758
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,320
physicians. 
And this is where things get 

1759
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,120
really interesting with the lead
prosecutor because during the 

1760
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,840
early portion of the case, right
in September when things really 

1761
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,120
started ramping up, we find out 
that the lead prosecutor is 

1762
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:01,320
practicing law without a license
because her license was 

1763
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,480
suspended. 
And to practice law in Texas 

1764
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:06,600
without license is a felony, 
right? 

1765
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,360
No matter what the reason is. 
So, so we bring this up to the 

1766
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,400
judge, we say, hey, judge, you 
know, like this attorney's 

1767
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,160
practicing law without a 
license, what are you going to 

1768
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,400
do about it? 
And he's like, no worries. 

1769
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:23,640
Your, your, your motion for show
for show cause is dismissed. 

1770
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,480
He was like, he was completely 
unconcerned by it, right? 

1771
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,320
Which is like, like, you know, 
that's when we kind of knew who 

1772
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,440
this judge was. 
Like we were starting to 

1773
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,760
understand like his play in this
whole thing, right? 

1774
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,160
And and there's kind of more to 
who this judge is, but we can 

1775
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,200
talk about that later. 
But so the lead prosecutor, 

1776
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:49,400
right, just a whole host of 
misconduct, you know, not only 

1777
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,560
admitting to my attorneys, she 
was, she sent agents by home 

1778
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,560
without reviewing the evidence, 
threatening my wife practicing 

1779
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,200
without a license. 
But then I find out, right? 

1780
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:05,080
I find out that her brother owns
a big coffee company, the world,

1781
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,880
the country's largest private 
label coffee distributor, right?

1782
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,560
And I hear that like there's 
some like fishy things about her

1783
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,920
family and the hospitals, right?
And it's just about like 

1784
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,280
conflicts of interest. 
I, her family, you know, for the

1785
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,320
record, seem like, you know, 
honest, hard working people. 

1786
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,280
But like someone kind of led me 
on to like some things about her

1787
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,200
family and connections. 
So I started looking into it, 

1788
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:29,200
right? 
And turns out that her family, 

1789
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:32,800
right, her brother owns his 
coffee company who has business,

1790
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,000
like active business contracts 
with Harris Health, which is 

1791
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,360
part of the Baylor TCH 
consortium. 

1792
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,040
It's like, like one of the three
legs of the stool, right? 

1793
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,600
Is Harris Health a public 
entity? 

1794
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:50,160
You know, her uncle was on the 
board of TCH. 

1795
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:56,160
Her aunt is a major TCH and 
Baylor College Medicine 

1796
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,520
fundraiser. 
Her brother, the guy with coffee

1797
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,560
company. 
Right after Tina Ansari sent 

1798
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,720
agents to my home, Tina Ansari's
brother started attending major 

1799
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:10,040
fundraisers with the president 
of TCH, Debbie Sukin, where he 

1800
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:14,920
was raising like $400,000, like 
$1,000,000 right in like one 

1801
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,320
night. 
And so your wife knows that DOJ 

1802
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,840
has very specific conflict of 
interest rules and they're 

1803
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,800
pretty broad, if, if I recall. 
Yeah, anything that can be 

1804
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,520
perceived as like a conflict of 
interest, it's like a relatively

1805
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:28,680
low threshold. 
Yeah. 

1806
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,240
And then you just, you just beg 
off and somebody else steps in. 

1807
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,040
Yeah, so the prosecutor who was 
reinterpreting HIPAA in the 

1808
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,680
first time in American history 
to make it not about patients to

1809
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,000
but about powerful, you know, 
multibillion dollar, you know, 

1810
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,200
medical institutions, TCH and 
Baylor was the same person whose

1811
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:51,440
family stood the most, stood the
most to benefit if those 

1812
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,480
powerful institutions were 
protected. 

1813
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,080
So, of course, once we make the 
DOJ aware of these conflicts of 

1814
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:03,240
interest, she steps away from 
the case in a motion that was 

1815
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,560
under seal. 
So she was probably so 

1816
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,800
embarrassed by what was 
happening that she withdraws 

1817
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,760
from the case under a sealed 
motion. 

1818
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,000
For people who don't know what 
that is, she used the judges 

1819
01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:20,400
like secret like capabilities to
like keep things under wraps to 

1820
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,520
withdraw from the case, which is
very atypical because there's no

1821
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:27,960
reason for a prosecutor to 
withdraw from the case and to 

1822
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,120
have it sealed. 
She could very simply just say 

1823
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:31,760
there she could write up a 
motion that says there's a 

1824
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,320
conflict of interest that's been
uncovered and stepping away. 

1825
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,440
Yeah, yeah. 
But this conflict of interest 

1826
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:37,720
was too much, right? 
Yeah. 

1827
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,600
And it probably would have. 
It would have shed light, it 

1828
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,640
sounds like on Yeah, the entire 
reason why they were bringing 

1829
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,360
the case in the first place. 
Exactly, which is why everything

1830
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,720
happened so quick, right? 
Because what? 

1831
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,480
When was this? 
This is late 2024. 

1832
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,360
Yeah, this is November 2024. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1833
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,560
And we were right. 
And this is election time. 

1834
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,480
This is before the election. 
Before the election, right? 

1835
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:04,880
Yeah, right. 
In the time during the election.

1836
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,080
Because we had a big couple 
weeks with that election and 

1837
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:08,880
some of the stuff that started 
happening as I recall. 

1838
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,240
Yeah, yeah. 
So it was huge. 

1839
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,640
So it was like the first 
indictment falls apart because 

1840
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,680
the entire premise of their 
story is a fabrication, right. 

1841
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,200
Then the second indictment falls
apart because they charged me 

1842
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,680
with a non existent crime. 
They use thing as I mentioned, 

1843
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,320
obtain and or use. 
But they also left a typo in 

1844
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,920
their indictment. 
Instead of Subchapter XI, they 

1845
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,360
said sub or instead of 
Subchapter XI, they wrote 

1846
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,480
Subchapter XL, like extra large,
like a Taco Bell order, you 

1847
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,880
know, like, you know, so they 
didn't even proofread their 

1848
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:43,000
indictment, you know, so their 
second, their second indictment 

1849
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,440
falls apart. 
And then Tina Ansari, you know, 

1850
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:48,160
just got embarrassed by the 
judge because she was practicing

1851
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,400
without a license. 
She had all these conflicts. 

1852
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,200
And then she steps down from the
case, right. 

1853
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,440
And then at the end of that 
hearing, Tina Ansari says we 

1854
01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:02,120
will not file another indictment
because they wanted the judge to

1855
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,800
strike the language to just edit
it instead of them pursuing a 

1856
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,000
new indictment with a whole new 
grand jury. 

1857
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,720
So she steps down from the case 
and then was the other 

1858
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,720
prosecutors, do they just pursue
another indictment, right? 

1859
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,480
Like, which essentially breaches
their duty of candor to the 

1860
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,080
court because they told everyone
they weren't going to get 

1861
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,280
another indictment, right. 
But then they got another 

1862
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,680
indictment after the judge 
refused, you know, their motion.

1863
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,760
So it was at that point that the
same day they got their third 

1864
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:34,200
indictment was when they filed a
motion to gag me, which is when 

1865
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,720
things got really bad, you know,
and and they said it was because

1866
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:42,160
they couldn't get a fair trial. 
But like, you know, it's not the

1867
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,680
the government, right? 
It's like, and first of all, I 

1868
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,120
can't, how can I influence a 
jury in one of the biggest 

1869
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,880
districts in the entire country?
And when there's a million 

1870
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,960
things you would do beforehand 
to to prevent the court from 

1871
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,240
taking away my First Amendment, 
like, you know, Vor Dyer, right?

1872
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,560
Like, like with asking, you 
know, jury people in the jury. 

1873
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,920
Have you ever heard of this 
person? 

1874
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,240
Right. 
But they went straight to a gag 

1875
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,040
order. 
So, you know, that whole thing 

1876
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:14,400
kind of devolves into a hearing 
where this. 

1877
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,520
Is about your Twitter account. 
This is about your social media.

1878
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,360
It's the fact that you're out 
there doing interviews is why 

1879
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,840
they were to gag you. 
Exactly so me like because at 

1880
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,800
that point the only person to 
advocate for me was myself. 

1881
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,960
Just by speaking out publicly on
Twitter, I was able to mount a 

1882
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,240
legal defense, but also 
expressed to the public what was

1883
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:37,280
happening in taxpayer funded 
courtrooms, how the how the DOJ 

1884
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,440
was completely corrupted. 
And then, you know, we had the 

1885
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:44,920
hearing December 3rd, right, 
where the DOJ brings in all of 

1886
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,640
their exhibits. 
And your tweets were part of 

1887
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,480
those exhibits, right? 
Where there was a moment where 

1888
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:56,680
they read one of your tweets 
about the DOJ being in like a 

1889
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:03,160
clown car of incompetent midwits
and the, the court breaks out in

1890
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:07,040
laughter, right? 
And the DOJ doesn't realize that

1891
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,280
everyone's laughing at them, 
right. 

1892
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,000
Yeah. 
So. 

1893
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:15,360
But the judge was clutching his 
pearls like this was the first 

1894
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:21,680
time he's ever heard of like a a
citizen criticizing the DOJ. 

1895
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,800
He was like, oh, my God, like, 
how can this person, you know, 

1896
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,800
treat the DOJ like this? 
It was, it was, it was like it 

1897
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,080
was embarrassing for, you know, 
just to see this from. 

1898
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:33,160
My own, from my own knowledge, 
did they say who I was or they 

1899
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:34,920
just said Kyle Seraphin, some 
random guy, Yeah. 

1900
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,560
Did you say Kyle Seraphin? 
Yeah, that. 

1901
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:37,920
Yeah, that makes it even 
funnier. 

1902
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,520
Yeah, yeah, I guess so. 
I'd known who I was. 

1903
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,120
It would have been even more 
offensive to them. 

1904
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,520
Yeah, yeah. 
But so the judge as a result of 

1905
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,560
that gag order hearing December 
3rd after the election, right, 

1906
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:54,480
he threatens to send me to jail 
if I continue similar conduct. 

1907
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,280
So he didn't grant the he didn't
grant the order. 

1908
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:02,000
He didn't deny the order. 
What he did is something called 

1909
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,520
like a prior restraint. 
This is really important stuff. 

1910
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,320
This is this is Gerardo Boyle, 
like one O 1. 

1911
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,640
This is his biggest thing. 
So let's get really, really 

1912
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,040
specific about it. 
Prior restraint is what he 

1913
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,800
wanted you to do. 
Yeah. 

1914
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:19,000
So prior restraint is like when 
you limit the expression of, you

1915
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:23,160
know, speech before it even 
happens in a way that is 

1916
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,000
unconstitutional. 
It's me telling you you need to 

1917
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,800
figure out what my line looks 
like. 

1918
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,400
Exactly. 
And don't cross the line then 

1919
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:32,480
I'm not going to tell you what 
it is. 

1920
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,560
Yeah, so he said similar 
conduct, but he didn't define 

1921
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:40,280
what similar conduct is. 
So it's like, yeah, like, so 

1922
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,280
I'll send you to jail if you 
cross a line that I have not 

1923
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,920
defined. 
But how am I supposed to know 

1924
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,960
where the line is because you 
haven't defined it. 

1925
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:51,240
But if I cross it, the 
consequences are the most 

1926
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,840
severe. 
And he knows that by not 

1927
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,800
granting it or denying it, he 
protects himself from 

1928
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,360
accountability, from a, from 
appeal, right? 

1929
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,880
And he also knows we didn't have
any money to appeal it, right? 

1930
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,640
He also protects the DOJ from 
criticism, which is what the 

1931
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,920
ultimate goal was. 
And by extension, he protects 

1932
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,240
himself from criticism because 
by me criticizing the DOJ, 

1933
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,640
people are starting to wonder, 
who is this judge who's like 

1934
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,680
allowing all this corruption to 
proliferate in his courtroom, 

1935
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,520
right? 
So, but all that comes at a 

1936
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,280
cost, all that comes at a cost 
of my constitutional rights, 

1937
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,480
right? 
Because like we were completely 

1938
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:32,040
broke. 
Any resources we had at which at

1939
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,560
that point was zero, it was 
negative $1,000,000 had to go 

1940
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:37,840
towards a federal trial. 
We were already in the hole by 

1941
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,120
that point, $1,000,000. 
And we had at that point raised 

1942
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,160
like $1.2 million. 
So the case in total was a 

1943
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,320
little bit over $2,000,000, 
right? 

1944
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,880
So we we, we still owe about 
1,000,000, but we knew that. 

1945
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,320
You still do? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1946
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:59,720
So we had to save everything for
a for trial, which which we were

1947
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,320
still planning on going to in 
February, right? 

1948
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,520
So like for the next month and a
half, I was just, I, I had to 

1949
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:09,080
stay silent. 
That's why my wife spoke out 

1950
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,080
because my wife was just 
furious. 

1951
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,560
And Grant, she's still working 
at the DOJ, she's a federal 

1952
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,520
prosecutor. 
And she was so upset by what had

1953
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,800
happened. 
And my wife was born, my 

1954
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:22,520
daughter was born just a couple 
of months earlier in September, 

1955
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,680
you know, so. 
My wife speaks out and, and you 

1956
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,000
know, you remember that that was
like in, in mid-december. 

1957
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,440
So she's like speaking out on my
behalf because like, like 

1958
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,840
speaking out was the only thing 
I could have possibly done to, 

1959
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,520
to, to defend myself legally. 
Because how am I going to pay my

1960
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,760
attorneys? 
Donations was the only way I 

1961
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,000
could pay my attorneys. 
How can I tell the truth to 

1962
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,000
people? 
Because so my, my wife 

1963
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,760
understood that. 
So that's when she decided to 

1964
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,120
speak out. 
But then after Trump got 

1965
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:59,440
inaugurated January 20th and he 
signed the EO against the 

1966
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:04,440
weaponization, that's when 
behind closed doors, the DOJ was

1967
01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:09,280
just escalating the case, like 
January 20th, 21st, 22nd, right?

1968
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,280
So I'm like, this is too much, 
right? 

1969
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,920
Like this is in direct 
contravention of Trump's newly 

1970
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,280
signed executive order and 
they're escalating this case 

1971
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,640
behind closed doors. 
I can no longer stay silent, 

1972
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,960
right? 
Because ever since that hearing,

1973
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,160
I, I just shut up because I 
couldn't risk it, right? 

1974
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:32,240
We didn't have any resources to 
do anything. 

1975
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,680
I, I, and, you know, it was, 
that was the hardest time. 

1976
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,560
I mean, truly, that was the most
difficult time. 

1977
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,200
I was back into the place where 
I was during COVID. 

1978
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,920
I was just, I was so angry 
because like, I was now a part 

1979
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,320
of it. 
I was a part of the corruption 

1980
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,320
that was being imposed on me by 
the judge because I was, I was 

1981
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,040
the one who was allowing their 
corruption to proliferate, 

1982
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,920
right? 
Because they required me, you 

1983
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,920
know, my own compliance in order
to make the whole thing seem 

1984
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:07,320
legitimate, right? 
And it was after Trump's 

1985
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:11,520
inauguration and after that EO 
and after they were escalating 

1986
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,440
this case behind closed doors, I
said enough is enough. 

1987
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,720
Like, this is over. 
I'm speaking out. 

1988
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:23,880
And that's when on January 22nd,
yeah, I, I think it was January 

1989
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:29,880
22nd or 23rd that I said, you 
know, I wrote a post on acts and

1990
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,760
I said, you know, I cannot 
afford to stay silent anymore. 

1991
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,680
This is a kangaroo court, right?
That there is nothing we can do 

1992
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,920
legally to fight against this 
obvious corruption. 

1993
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,800
So I have to speak out publicly,
right? 

1994
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:44,480
Because that's the only thing I 
can do. 

1995
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:51,000
And in response to that, the 
judge had completely blown his 

1996
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,680
lid because what we were hearing
from multiple sources is that he

1997
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,440
was getting ready to sign a 
warrant for my arrest for 

1998
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:03,160
violating a gag order that he 
had never signed, right? 

1999
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,360
So he was serious about that. 
He had to be talked down from a 

2000
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,800
ledge, from what we were told, 
like that happened behind closed

2001
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,200
doors. 
So it was like a Thursday 

2002
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:17,480
evening, like the 23rd, like the
day after I spoke out that, you 

2003
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:21,120
know, we were being told you 
might be arrested tomorrow when 

2004
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,040
you go in for surgery in the 
morning. 

2005
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:28,040
So make sure, like Andrea has 
things like ready to be handled 

2006
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:30,400
like, you know, this is a big 
deal. 

2007
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:36,320
So it was the next morning that,
you know, people moved into 

2008
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,720
action and the DOJ, the 
transition team had issued 

2009
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:45,200
guidance to the Southern 
District of Texas to say dismiss

2010
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,960
this corrupt case with prejudice
immediately, right? 

2011
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,920
So then two days after I spoke 
out, one day after I thought I 

2012
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:58,160
was going to be sent to jail, 
the DOJ signs a motion to 

2013
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,960
dismiss my case with prejudice. 
And then a few hours after, the 

2014
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:05,560
judge signs the order to dismiss
the case with prejudice. 

2015
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,280
And from that moment, 
everything's done. 

2016
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:20,000
What did that feel like? 
You know, it was like in that 

2017
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,880
moment, it's surreal. 
You kind of elevate to a 

2018
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,480
different existence. 
You kind of float, you kind of 

2019
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:31,280
go into a dream world, right? 
Like like legitimately, like, 

2020
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:36,040
you know, things start slowing 
down, right for a brief moment 

2021
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,360
where you look at your wife, My 
wife tells me. 

2022
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:41,680
And then we hug and we kiss and 
we hold our baby. 

2023
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:45,400
And then you kind of hold each 
other and then you kind of, it's

2024
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:47,800
very weird. 
It's hard to explain, but it's, 

2025
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:52,480
you get transports like this 
alternate reality where like 

2026
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:56,200
this world that you didn't think
existed, where I would be free 

2027
01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:00,480
is now a place that I'm somehow 
living in, right? 

2028
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:05,720
And then that thing exists for 
maybe like 10 minutes or so. 

2029
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,080
And then you kind of start 
realizing and then the world 

2030
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:13,440
kind of opens back up and then 
you start realizing like, holy 

2031
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,880
crap, I'm free, you know, And 
then you go through like the 

2032
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,160
state of like elation, right 
where you're like, you drink 

2033
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,480
champagne. 
I hold my baby, I hold my wife 

2034
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:25,120
and we kiss and we hug and we 
love each other. 

2035
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:27,920
And, you know, it's, and then, 
you know, I talk to my family, I

2036
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,840
talk to people I've met along 
the way. 

2037
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,400
I talk to you and other people. 
And I'm like, thank God, you 

2038
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,880
know, thank God I'm free. 
And then, you know, after that, 

2039
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,000
it's like, you know, you're 
happy, but then you still feel 

2040
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,360
the same. 
You still, you're in a war mode,

2041
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:44,800
right? 
And and that's still how I feel 

2042
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:48,000
today, right? 
Where it's like that that's 

2043
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:52,400
going to take time for that 
layer of anger of aggressiveness

2044
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:57,160
to shut off, right? 
Because you know, it's something

2045
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:02,040
that you build up where you 
don't, you don't, you don't hope

2046
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:06,400
for anything like, like hope was
the most dangerous thing during 

2047
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,880
those days and still is. 
I don't hope for anything beyond

2048
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:13,560
my immediate control, right? 
Because the hope is what will 

2049
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,640
destroy your soul, right? 
You have to get ready for war, 

2050
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:19,040
right? 
You have to get ready for the 

2051
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,760
worst possible thing that can 
happen. 

2052
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,160
You have to get ready for 
imprisonment and death and other

2053
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:29,720
anything other than that is, is,
is a fever dream, right? 

2054
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:34,920
So it's like slowly extracting 
myself from that mindset is what

2055
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,480
I have to do. 
You still feel like there's got 

2056
01:46:39,480 --> 01:46:43,200
to be some some accountability 
for what happened I. 

2057
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:44,720
Imagine. 
Yeah, of course, Of course. 

2058
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:49,480
Because what these people did, 
it's to accuse someone of a 

2059
01:46:49,480 --> 01:46:52,760
crime they did not commit, but 
especially when that person did 

2060
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,880
the right thing to expose a 
hospital for lying about their 

2061
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:59,640
program that was manipulating, 
mutilating and sterilizing young

2062
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,320
children, right. 
It's the most evil thing you can

2063
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,440
do. 
Because to accuse someone 

2064
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:09,960
innocent, right, you have to see
that person as less than human. 

2065
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,840
Because like, like, I could 
never imagine myself doing the 

2066
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,840
same thing to this prosecutor 
who came after me. 

2067
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:21,040
I would never want to. 
I would I, I could never imagine

2068
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,960
a world in which they undergo 
the same thing I did. 

2069
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:27,080
I would never want them to 
undergo the same thing because 

2070
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,280
they're human. 
They deserve more than that. 

2071
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,120
They deserve justice and they 
deserve dignity, right? 

2072
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,560
But, but so to accuse someone of
that, you have to see them as 

2073
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,600
subhuman. 
So they saw me as subhuman, 

2074
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,600
right? 
But then also they destroy 

2075
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:45,520
themselves in the process. 
Because when you accuse someone 

2076
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:49,600
innocent, you kind of you, you 
undignify yourself. 

2077
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,640
So they destroyed themselves in 
the process, but also they 

2078
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:56,920
destroyed the justice system, 
which is the only means by which

2079
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,640
our society remains civil. 
Because without an appropriate 

2080
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:06,080
system of justice, then people 
only take that they take justice

2081
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:10,120
into their own hands, right. 
So it's like what we rely on, 

2082
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,880
you know, to remain civil as a 
society is what they were 

2083
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,360
destroying. 
So it's like the most important 

2084
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:21,800
thing is what they were abusing.
So it's like there has to be 

2085
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:24,000
accountability for that. 
There has to be. 

2086
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:30,320
And like I, I hate to say, I 
hope I and I, I, I will do 

2087
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,800
everything in my power. 
I hope there is accountability, 

2088
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,800
Of course, you know, it's a 
dangerous feeling of hope, 

2089
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,800
right? 
But, you know, I guess now that 

2090
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,080
we're talking about, I guess I 
do hope there is I there has to 

2091
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,600
be there seems fair. 
Yeah. 

2092
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:51,200
I mean, there has to be, right? 
It's like, like, you know how 

2093
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:55,000
much we went through, right? 
Like, how much for for years, 

2094
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:58,160
right. 
Like, you know, Andrew and I, we

2095
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:00,080
would, we would just nightmares 
every night. 

2096
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,720
Like there was not one night 
where we could sleep right, You 

2097
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,880
know, where my wife would just 
be crying, like, you know, all 

2098
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,080
the time, just just thinking 
that I was going to be in prison

2099
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,680
for 10 years for doing the right
thing. 

2100
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,360
Right. 
That is really hard to forgive 

2101
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,520
that that feeling. 
And The thing is, it's, it's 

2102
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,640
only God can forgive. 
What these people need is 

2103
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:23,520
accountability, right? 
So they, I, I believe what they 

2104
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,360
did was illegal, right? 
They had abused their authority.

2105
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:30,160
There are already laws that say 
if people abuse their authority 

2106
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,920
and send people to jail for 
their own political benefit, 

2107
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,600
right? 
That's a crime. 

2108
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,480
I believe that they should be 
held to the same standards as 

2109
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:44,800
everyone else. 
Yeah, there has to be, because 

2110
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:45,920
how else do you recover from 
that? 

2111
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:47,920
One of the things you mentioned,
there's a word that you said 

2112
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,280
that's very specific, the word 
dehumanize. 

2113
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:54,920
Do you see any historical 
analogs? 

2114
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,160
I don't want to put my own lens 
on this, but. 

2115
01:49:57,480 --> 01:50:00,000
Yeah, I mean, it's like in the 
Soviet Union when you read like 

2116
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,320
Solzhenitsyn's Gulag 
Archipelago, right, When you had

2117
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,920
the the Russians who were being 
sent to gulags, you know, they 

2118
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:12,280
had like this phony, you know, 
system of law that they would 

2119
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:13,680
send people. 
Like if you criticize the 

2120
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:17,160
government, if you lied, it was 
either 10 or 20 years in the 

2121
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:21,160
gulag. 
But like what Solzhenitsyn talks

2122
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:25,560
about in the book is that the 
dehumanizing effect of like, 

2123
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,280
like and, and that's what 
Soshinistin had to recover while

2124
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,720
he was in the camps because 
during one of the chapters, I 

2125
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:35,720
think it's called the ascent or 
the ascending, right? 

2126
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,880
Which is where the famous quote 
comes from, where the line 

2127
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:43,320
between good and evil is not 
between nations, it's not 

2128
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,200
between states, it's not 
between, you know anything else.

2129
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:50,880
It's the line goes in between 
each human heart, right? 

2130
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:59,400
And it was like once you realize
that each part of us can be 

2131
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:03,240
complicit and evil just as much 
as we can be complicit and good.

2132
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:09,600
But for these people to to take 
away the the system of justice 

2133
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,960
from another human is to 
dehumanize themselves, right? 

2134
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:17,320
It's to take a step towards the 
line of evil, right? 

2135
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,960
To dehumanize not only their 
target, but also themselves. 

2136
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:25,480
And so of course, you know, this
is a story that is the most 

2137
01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:28,000
human of stories. 
This is something that we've 

2138
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,120
gone through a million times 
before. 

2139
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,160
This is just a replay. 
And another famous socialist 

2140
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,000
quote. 
I think it's him where he says, 

2141
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,600
you know, like history doesn't 
repeat itself, but it rhymes, 

2142
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,080
right? 
Like this is it right? 

2143
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,800
This is just another play on 
something that's happened 

2144
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,960
before. 
It seems like that's going to be

2145
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,800
the legacy of the Twenty 20s 
dehumanization. 

2146
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,480
I don't know why we have to 
repeat that every 60 or 80 

2147
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,000
years, but it does seem like a 
real thing. 

2148
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,040
I mean, that's what they did to 
you, right? 

2149
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,160
They dehumanized. 
You they did it to your patients

2150
01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:59,520
during COVID as well, did they 
not? 

2151
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,280
Yeah, yeah, because it's it's 
not the first time you've even 

2152
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:03,640
talked about it in the last two 
hours. 

2153
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:07,480
Yeah, yeah. 
And it's like when you see other

2154
01:52:07,480 --> 01:52:11,360
people dehumanized, like, you 
feel a need to stand up for 

2155
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:14,400
those who are dehumanized. 
What was happening to these kids

2156
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,840
at the transgender clinic? 
They were being dehumanized, 

2157
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:21,760
like, in the most physical way 
possible because the human soul,

2158
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,920
right, is what was being ripped 
out of their bodies with the 

2159
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:29,600
assistance of medications and 
hormones and surgery, right? 

2160
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,200
And and they were actually being
dehumanized. 

2161
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:34,600
Yeah. 
Like the name that they were 

2162
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:38,280
born into this world was, was 
now their dead name, right. 

2163
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,720
Like, what other way to 
dehumanize someone than that, 

2164
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,360
Right. 
And it's like, so, right. 

2165
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,520
You have to stand up for that. 
But then when they dehumanize 

2166
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,560
me, it's like, no, no, you can't
do that. 

2167
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,280
I'm going to fight back, right? 
And now it's. 

2168
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,120
Like it it always starts until 
they they they hit that one 

2169
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:57,920
spot. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2170
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:00,400
It's like. 
Or hit that one person. 

2171
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,360
And you know, it's, it's another
part of the Soshinitsyn. 

2172
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,400
You know, he, he has this quote 
that where he talks about like, 

2173
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,320
I forget what chapter it is in 
the Gulag Archipelago, but where

2174
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:15,200
he says, if only every single 
person who the, the secret 

2175
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:19,480
police when they showed up to 
your door, if you said, no, I'm 

2176
01:53:19,480 --> 01:53:21,560
not going to go with you, I'm 
going to fight back. 

2177
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:25,880
And you fought to the death, how
much suffering would be 

2178
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,720
prevented, right? 
And like, and I think that's a 

2179
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:33,360
lesson for future generations. 
It's like when the day comes 

2180
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,480
that someone knocks on your 
door, you say no, like, I'm not 

2181
01:53:37,480 --> 01:53:38,880
giving in. 
I'm not complying with your 

2182
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,960
corruption. 
I'm going to fight tooth and 

2183
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:42,480
nail. 
I'm going to fight until the 

2184
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:45,440
death because that's what you 
have to do in order to win. 

2185
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:50,360
You know I agree. 
Yeah. 

2186
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,080
They can't take us all. 
No, no, they. 

2187
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:55,920
Can't that's that might have 
been the biggest overstep that 

2188
01:53:55,920 --> 01:54:00,600
has happened for I don't even 
think it was people. 

2189
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,840
Maybe maybe you agree with me. 
I don't think it was people that

2190
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,880
did this. 
Human beings were the 

2191
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:08,160
instrument, but I don't think 
that was what was driving. 

2192
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,600
The evil in 2020, I think it was
the evil force. 

2193
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:13,600
You know, it's, it's the those 
forces that you can't 

2194
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:17,880
necessarily like, you know, 
acknowledge in polite company, 

2195
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:19,760
but you know, those forces 
exist. 

2196
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:24,160
It's the forces that are the 
driving impetus between good and

2197
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:28,880
evil, something that you know, 
runs, you know, in the middle of

2198
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,160
each human soul, right? 
It's the difference between good

2199
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,600
and evil, right? 
This is, you know, God and and 

2200
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,440
the devil. 
Yeah, the demonic that that runs

2201
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,400
out there and pursues its own 
end to the detriment of even the

2202
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,560
people that are that are 
implementing it, because none of

2203
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:44,560
those people that went after you
are any better off for it. 

2204
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:47,640
No, no, And that's The thing is,
you know, it's like I, there's a

2205
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,840
certain sadness I feel for them,
for Tina Ansari and Paul Nixon 

2206
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:54,120
and Hamdani, because like they 
didn't have to be like this. 

2207
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:58,240
They, they could live a better 
life, you know, like TCH, it's 

2208
01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:00,280
an amazing hospital. 
They do amazing work. 

2209
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:04,760
Like they can, they can live, 
they can do such, so much 

2210
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:07,520
better, but they choose not to. 
And I think that's very 

2211
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,680
unfortunate because where where 
there's a potential for evil, 

2212
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,400
there's also potential for good,
you know? 

2213
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:19,280
They do well. 
They they for both of us, I 

2214
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:22,000
think they destroyed the, the 
legal institutions that look 

2215
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:25,840
very, very different after this 
last couple years for you and I 

2216
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,400
think for a lot of people after 
COVID, the medical institutions 

2217
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:31,440
have lost a lot of the shine. 
What other institutions do you 

2218
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,080
think have really been debased 
in the last couple? 

2219
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:38,080
Years every institution. 
So the legal institution, right?

2220
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:42,120
So like law firms because like 
there was no law firm that would

2221
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:44,440
be willing to take my case. 
I mean, thank God for Marcelo 

2222
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:47,280
Burke, the Burke Law Group and 
the attorneys who represented 

2223
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,360
me, Mark Lytle, Ryan Patrick, 
right? 

2224
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:53,080
I mean, they're heroes, but like
all these law firms would not 

2225
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:55,200
have represented me because it 
was a quote UN quote 

2226
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:57,760
controversial case. 
They would represent child 

2227
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:01,960
rapists, right, in murderers and
like, you know, like Ponzi 

2228
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:05,280
scheme criminals, but not me, 
someone who stood up for 

2229
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,400
children, right, because it's a 
conservative cause because. 

2230
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,480
There's politics involved in it.
Exactly. 

2231
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,000
Yeah. 
And it's on the wrong side of 

2232
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,640
those politics. 
But you know, so it's the 

2233
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:18,400
education system, the medical 
system, police departments, the 

2234
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:24,160
FBI, the DOJ, right. 
You know, you had psychologist, 

2235
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:28,760
psychiatry, every establishment 
institution in this country had 

2236
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:32,960
been based because they had 
participated in the lies. 

2237
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:38,080
So where do we go doc? 
What comes up next do you think?

2238
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:43,760
You know, I think for me it's 
gradually fade out into 

2239
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,760
obscurity. 
You know, I'll try to raise as 

2240
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:49,920
much money just to pay our legal
bills, but most likely we won't 

2241
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,840
be able to and we'll just pay it
off over the next couple of 

2242
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:56,520
decades, which sucks. 
You know, probably with Social 

2243
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,680
Security, I'll probably pay 
legal bills with our Social 

2244
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,680
Security checks when we're like 
70 years old because the age, 

2245
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:04,720
you know, they should raise the 
age. 

2246
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:07,280
I mean, you know, separate 
issue, but they should raise the

2247
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,680
age for Social Security. 
But you know. 

2248
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,320
Yeah, we need one of these. 
We need somebody to come in and 

2249
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,920
and maybe underwrite this cause 
because it was the right 'cause.

2250
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:19,640
Yeah, I hope so. 
I'm not holding my breath 

2251
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:23,000
because if there's one group of 
people, I am not, you know, the 

2252
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,680
other institution is 
conservative donors, right? 

2253
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:29,840
I mean, it's though I've, I've 
talked to so many conservative, 

2254
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,640
conservative donors, right? 
Like, Oh yeah, you know, we'll 

2255
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:34,720
help you out. 
They're so nice to you in 

2256
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:36,120
person. 
They say, Oh yeah, I'll text, 

2257
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,400
I'll call. 
They make all these promises, 

2258
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:41,680
let you know and grant, I'm not,
I'm not begging for their 

2259
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:42,920
support. 
You know, it's like, I would 

2260
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:43,880
love it. 
It'd be great. 

2261
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:47,080
But like, you know, we can do it
on our own with the help of the 

2262
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,520
American people. 
But like every single one of 

2263
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:52,040
these donors never respond. 
It's an. 

2264
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:55,240
Interesting problem. 
Yeah, I'm and, and then the same

2265
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:57,280
people, a lot of them will turn 
around and write a check to like

2266
01:57:57,280 --> 01:57:59,520
some political organization that
doesn't do anything except pay 

2267
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,800
think tank guys and stuff. 
And it's an interesting dynamic.

2268
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:05,080
Yeah. 
It is an interesting dynamic. 

2269
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,960
I'm I'm not mad at them. 
They can do what they want with 

2270
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:09,000
their own money. 
And and that's The thing is like

2271
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:13,080
it, there's no hard feelings. 
It's like, yeah, because it is 

2272
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:14,800
their money I have. 
No, it's kind of just an eye 

2273
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,400
opening moment to see what what 
is and it's not valuable. 

2274
01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:19,400
Yeah, because like, it's their 
money. 

2275
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,240
They have a right to if they 
don't want to donate. 

2276
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:23,760
Oh man, that's totally fine, no 
problem. 

2277
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,960
But it's just to see what other 
things they donate to is kind of

2278
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:29,400
revealing. 
All right, what are the what are

2279
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,120
the good things that have come 
out of this? 

2280
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:33,360
If anything give me a couple of 
high. 

2281
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,440
Points. 
I'll tell you what I mean. 

2282
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:38,880
Everything is positive, right? 
It's like, but with within the 

2283
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,200
darkness. 
You have to find the light. 

2284
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,520
I mean, my wife and I, it's like
I've never loved my wife more 

2285
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,920
than I do today, right? 
I, I look at my daughter's eyes,

2286
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:51,960
it's like it's just happiness 
and beauty and, and, and 

2287
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:56,600
potential, you know, for myself,
it's like, I never thought I 

2288
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,000
could get through something like
this. 

2289
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,400
Like, like I told my attorneys 
in the very beginning, like a 

2290
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:04,840
crazy person, right? 
Like, we have to, to fight 

2291
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:06,800
against the most powerful 
federal leviathan in human 

2292
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,680
history. 
Number one, we have to beat this

2293
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:10,520
case. 
Number one, we have to raise 

2294
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:12,680
over $1,000,000. 
Number two, I was wrong. 

2295
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:15,040
It should have been $2,000,000. 
But still we raised over 

2296
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:19,000
$1,000,000. 
And we have to somehow, you 

2297
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,800
know, gather the most prominent 
conservative voices in the 

2298
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:27,720
country to speak out for our 
cause because that's the only 

2299
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:30,960
way we're going to fight back. 
And I did all of those things. 

2300
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:34,720
And I was just a random dude. 
I was just a random guy. 

2301
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,040
I was a no one, you know, but we
were able to do it. 

2302
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,560
And it's like like I was AI 
believed in myself. 

2303
01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:44,240
I believed my wife believed in 
me, I believed in her and I 

2304
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:46,680
believed in my attorneys. 
It's like that's an awesome 

2305
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:49,920
thing, man. 
Like our relationships like man,

2306
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:52,880
like you're awesome, dude. 
Like, you know, I would consider

2307
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:55,000
you a friend for sure. 
There's so many good 

2308
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:59,640
relationships from this and, and
it's like, yeah, there were some

2309
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:03,400
bad stuff, nothing compared to 
the good because it's like it's,

2310
02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:07,080
it's a privilege to be able to 
take on this fight and to fight 

2311
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:10,600
against the most evil forces 
known to mankind, right. 

2312
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:15,000
Like, that's something to, to, 
to be a part of. 

2313
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,840
That's a fight to be a part of, 
man. 

2314
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:20,560
It's also great not to. 
To become the thing that they've

2315
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,680
accused you of being, to rise 
above it. 

2316
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,120
Here you are. 
You're looking for the good out 

2317
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:27,880
of it. 
You didn't become some angry, 

2318
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:32,280
miserable, you know, just, you 
know, spiteful human. 

2319
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:34,040
No, no. 
And it's kind of like when I 

2320
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,960
talk about anger, it's like, 
it's not like the spiteful 

2321
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,560
anger, it's like the the 
motivating anger. 

2322
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,160
It's like anger, indignation. 
I'm going to give you a name. 

2323
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:43,200
For it. 
Oh, yeah. 

2324
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,840
Like I like, what's the guy's 
name who wrote the book? 

2325
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,320
Righteous indignation. 
Breitbart. 

2326
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:49,200
Andrew Breitbart. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

2327
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:53,720
It's righteous indignation where
like, we should be righteously 

2328
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:55,640
indignant. 
We should be angry, but it 

2329
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,240
should be like the type of anger
where like, you don't need to 

2330
02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:00,800
eat, you don't need to sleep. 
Where like you can walk through 

2331
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:03,960
a burning building and you can't
get burned because the inferno 

2332
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:07,320
that is burning inside of your 
heart is so much hotter than 

2333
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:11,560
like any flames that are 
outside, which is like how this 

2334
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:14,480
is possible. 
It's like, like the only way to 

2335
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:18,600
make it through something like 
this is to, to be like, you 

2336
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:21,720
know, animated by this righteous
indignation, like this anger, 

2337
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:23,480
right? 
But it's not spite, it's not 

2338
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:25,280
vengeance. 
It's justice. 

2339
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,960
It's goodness, it's beauty, it's
love. 

2340
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:34,760
Amen Doc. 
Amen, man, Amen. 

2341
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:36,560
How good was it getting all your
weapons back? 

2342
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:48,440
It was it was like a, you know, 
like like those ROM coms where 

2343
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:51,560
you have like two people come 
together at the last scene and 

2344
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:53,800
they embrace each other. 
So my wife and I had that. 

2345
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:55,560
But if there was anything I 
could have with like an 

2346
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:58,440
inanimate object, it was like my
guns because I love, I mean, 

2347
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:00,640
it's just something I spend so 
much time on. 

2348
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,800
I love shooting, you know, every
weekend since I've gone shooting

2349
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:08,040
and it was, you know, to be able
to protect my family, to be able

2350
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:11,200
to my favorite hobby, right. 
It's like building guns, 

2351
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:13,240
shooting guns. 
It's like, it's great, man. 

2352
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:16,520
I saw the picture you put out on
on X, which was great to see, 

2353
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:19,560
going out there and getting 
reunited with your stuff. 

2354
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:22,200
And yeah, it's stuff, but we're 
dudes and dudes like stuff. 

2355
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:24,240
And that's your stuff. 
They're tools. 

2356
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,920
They're tools of protection, you
know, of, of they're the things 

2357
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,480
that we use to protect our 
rights, to protect our families.

2358
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,560
I remember watching You should 
do this, have your wife do this.

2359
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:36,560
It's really a weird throwback. 
If you want to know about what 

2360
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,120
Ruff looked like, because we all
kind of, we have a sense of it 

2361
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:42,200
now, right, go watch the Little 
House on the Prairie. 

2362
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:43,600
And I keep telling people to do 
this. 

2363
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,320
I've told people like 10 people 
in the last couple years, go out

2364
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,120
and watch the Little House on 
the Prairie, the original pilot 

2365
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,640
episode. 
And I'll just tell you what 

2366
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:52,520
happens because it's been 
written and it's not new. 

2367
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,640
It's not a spoiler at this point
because the process is what's 

2368
02:02:55,640 --> 02:02:59,960
important. 
But the, the wild family, is it 

2369
02:02:59,960 --> 02:03:01,080
the Engel family? 
Whatever. 

2370
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,760
Laura Ingalls Wilder, I think 
it's Engel family. 

2371
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:05,080
Yeah. 
They they go out on the the 

2372
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,280
Prairie, they leave the big 
wood. 

2373
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:09,640
Dad only brings a couple things 
with him. 

2374
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:14,760
He brings a couple of like 
pillows or some skirts, some 

2375
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:20,040
clothes that's warm, and his 
rifle and a dog, you know. 

2376
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:22,640
And they go and they build his 
house and they scratch the 

2377
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:24,640
living out of nothing. 
And they build up the cabin and 

2378
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:27,280
they're staying in there and the
catches on fire and they save it

2379
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:29,280
from a wildfire. 
And the Indians come and all the

2380
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:31,760
other wild stuff that goes on 
and they almost starved to death

2381
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:33,080
and they almost died a million 
times. 

2382
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:36,440
And then the federal government 
comes and kicks them out of 

2383
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:38,640
their house and says they gave 
the land back to the Indians. 

2384
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:42,160
And so the plow that they had 
and the crops that they grew 

2385
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:44,000
and, like all the stuff they 
have to leave it all behind. 

2386
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:48,720
And he leaves with his rifle. 
Because 200 years ago, there 

2387
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:50,680
were only a few things that you 
really needed to be able to 

2388
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:52,320
survive. 
And so there's an instinct, a 

2389
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:53,880
primal instinct, I think, for 
men. 

2390
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,960
Yeah. 
To have that tool, it's like the

2391
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:59,120
end of the day, I can determine 
whether somebody comes through 

2392
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:00,480
my door. 
Yeah. 

2393
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:01,600
Yeah. 
It's important. 

2394
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:04,400
Especially when you have people 
who you care about you, you 

2395
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:07,960
know, your your wife, your kid. 
It's like, yeah, it's like this 

2396
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:11,080
need as a father, I have to 
protect my daughter. 

2397
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:12,560
As a husband, I have to protect 
my wife. 

2398
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:14,600
That's it. 
It's the most basic stuff 

2399
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:16,400
anyway. 
Go watch, watch that with her. 

2400
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:18,640
And then you'll also get kind of
another sense of like, man, 

2401
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:20,040
we've got it so easy in this 
time. 

2402
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,320
Yeah, yeah. 
Not not discounting any of the 

2403
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:23,840
things that you've been through 
or any of the things that my 

2404
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:26,880
family seems well, but yeah, you
just go like, oh, man, it could 

2405
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,360
be so much more primal. 
It was a lot. 

2406
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:30,040
It was a civilized fight that 
you were involved in. 

2407
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:32,920
An ugly one, no, no doubt, but. 
Yeah, but definitely civilized, 

2408
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:34,200
that's for sure. 
No one got scalloped. 

2409
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:35,600
That's right, nobody got 
scalloped. 

2410
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:37,720
What's the best way that people 
can do? 

2411
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:41,120
How about who are some people 
that we think might want to, 

2412
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:43,040
what might want to write that 
check that's going to help you 

2413
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:44,360
out? 
Because I, I don't want you to 

2414
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:46,840
be in a debt of $1,000,000 and I
want to do what I can to try to 

2415
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:48,320
help it. 
And I'm happy to start writing 

2416
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:50,920
letters too. 
Everybody needs a little bit of 

2417
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:52,640
money right now, but this seems 
like one of those holes that 

2418
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:54,280
should be filled in because it's
really righteous. 

2419
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:58,440
Yeah, I, I like the easiest 
person obviously, is Elon Musk 

2420
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,120
because he's like the richest 
person in the world. 

2421
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:04,440
You know I may. 
Have an in on that. 

2422
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:05,520
OK. 
So OK, we'll do that. 

2423
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:07,800
Yeah, good. 
But you know, I, I don't want to

2424
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:09,920
make this appear like I'm like 
demanding anything. 

2425
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:11,680
It would just be cool. 
That'd be cool. 

2426
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:14,040
But. 
It's a rounding error for him 

2427
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:16,440
too, probably. 
Yeah, and he's got important 

2428
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:18,400
things going on. 
So it's like, I'm telling you, 

2429
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:21,120
man, totally cool. 
Like we'll pay it off over 

2430
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:23,200
decades. 
It's fine, you know. 

2431
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:24,800
You didn't want Social Security 
anyway. 

2432
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So it's like, but like and but 

2433
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:31,040
you know, the the reason I say 
that is because X intervened in 

2434
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,640
my case, you know, about the gag
order. 

2435
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:35,520
Did they? 
Yeah, they were. 

2436
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:38,520
They were an interested party, 
just like TCH or Baylor. 

2437
02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:40,680
Did you hear from like, was it 
Shaif Jaffe? 

2438
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:43,480
Was that the attorneys? 
You know what? 

2439
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:45,760
I think so. 
Yeah, yeah, They reached out to 

2440
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,560
me the other day. 
Oh, really? 

2441
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:49,440
Yeah, they want to sue the 
federal government with me. 

2442
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,480
Yeah, you should. 
Yeah, they're good. 

2443
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:55,040
They're legit people. 
They're I can, I can just from 

2444
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:59,480
my own, you know, personal 
experience, I can tell you that 

2445
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:03,080
they're legit, like, and and 
they intervened in my case. 

2446
02:06:03,080 --> 02:06:05,760
I'm just a random guy, but 
they're willing to stand up for 

2447
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:09,720
the little person X, right. 
So they're really about what 

2448
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:11,320
they say. 
They're about free speech 

2449
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:14,360
because my case was about free 
speech more so than anything 

2450
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:17,320
else. 
Truly, it is. 

2451
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:19,840
It's maybe that's one of the 
biggest redeeming things for 

2452
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,800
most people to see is that some 
of these folks, there's a lot of

2453
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:23,160
people out there that are fakes.
Would you agree? 

2454
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:26,240
Oh, yeah, yeah. 
But you know, Elon Musk in ex. 

2455
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:30,160
No, no, no. 
Babylon B the Babylon B her meet

2456
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:32,640
Dylan. 
Oh, man, they're the real Dylan.

2457
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:36,720
Holy crap. 
I mean, you, you know, the the 

2458
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:40,120
suspendables. 
Gary O Boyle, Steve Friend, you 

2459
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:46,480
know, Cash Patel, you know, too 
many people, you know, are these

2460
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:50,080
are their. 
Yeah, Good, good people, really 

2461
02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:53,960
good people. 
Simone Gold, you know, she's 

2462
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:55,240
great. 
Love her and. 

2463
02:06:56,920 --> 02:06:58,560
We can just do like a love fest 
on all the people. 

2464
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:01,160
I really appreciate that you 
have such a positive attitude 

2465
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:04,200
out of this. 
I just want to, I want to tell 

2466
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:06,840
you that we're praying for you. 
We've been praying for you. 

2467
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:09,880
I'm so grateful that you had the
outcome you did. 

2468
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,200
I know the audience is going to 
be really excited about it too, 

2469
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:13,680
if they haven't been paying 
attention. 

2470
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:16,760
I'm I'm glad I got to talk to 
you on the day was dismissed. 

2471
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:19,480
Even if you had a couple of 
bottles, a bottle of champagne 

2472
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:23,400
cracked open already. 
It it, it made my day. 

2473
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:24,840
It probably made you. 
Know I'll tell you what you 

2474
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:26,120
know. 
It's like those prayers were 

2475
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:27,280
heard, man. 
Yeah, they were. 

2476
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,880
They were hurt. 
All right, let's leave it on 

2477
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,080
that, folks. 
Say a prayer for the doc and his

2478
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:35,600
family, for this country, for 
the folks that are out there 

2479
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:38,240
doing the right thing, and pray 
that you are ready too, that 

2480
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:42,280
when that moment comes, you're 
ready because you don't. 

2481
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:44,200
You don't get to get very many 
second shots at that. 

2482
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:45,640
You don't get another bite at 
the apple usually. 

2483
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:49,600
You usually got a yes or no. 
Thank you man, it was a 

2484
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:53,360
privilege. 
And that is the Sunday sit down.

2485
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:54,760
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2486
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:56,560
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2487
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,440
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02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:14,480
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