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All right, and we are back. We're going to get into this
interview because now I'm very my appetite is whetted to find
out what happens when you piss off, the guys that are going to
talk to you about a recording, and it sounds like you agree.
Need not to be recording. Did they make any assurances
that? He give you a copy of what they
were going to record it all? Because they did have that
ability. Yeah well what they told me this
is exactly what they said is that I would not be able to have
access to that recording either video or audio and a less I was
charged and then it would be made available to me through
Discovery. But other than that, I would
never see it. And then on top of that, they
also mentioned though, that this was part of your property that
you couldn't be charged for anything you said during that.
Anyhow. That's correct.
Yeah, it's Frustrating thing that I said could be used
against me unless I lied, right? Okay.
So, it's funny because I guess it's quirky more than funny.
It's not really funny or amusing.
It's but I've been in that situation and I'm, I don't
understand why you wouldn't give somebody a copy of an interview.
It doesn't bother me at all. I would make, when I sat down
for proper sessions with people, they come out of prison and sit
within our attorneys and I'd say, look, you know, I will send
you a CD, a copy of this recording literally, as soon as
I get back and I download it because I don't care.
It's just like the words were there.
You were there, I was there. They're the attorneys there.
We all know what was said, so well, I think that they realized
well as you can imagine before this interview, both of them had
a stack in front of them of everything that I had probably,
you know, written up a certainly everything.
I've written about January 6 up to that point because I'd had
died at eight months. Now worth of work on that story
at this point and they were obviously going much as they do
as you are. Well aware they went further.
Further back into my history and so they had printed up all
pertinent maybe in anything. I had maybe said that was
inflammatory of any kind or anti-government rhetoric and of
course, if you're a Libertarian, you're going to spout something
anti-government every other sentence.
So that's just part of what we do.
Yeah. As your First Amendment right, I
might add, that's correct and it's not because we intend on
overthrowing the government, it's just we intend on holding
them accountable. That's is as is our right as you
say, as you stated so. This this is the situation that
I was up against there and and I can assure you of this and I,
you know, I would, I would just as readily accept your your
input on this as well, but I expected a good cop bad cop type
of interview and that was not at all what happened.
It's just actually one of the guys was a good guy and the
other guy was an asshole. That's that's probably the most
realistic possibility. Already that you would have ever
gotten, is that it wasn't intentional.
You could have gotten to really nice people by the way that
would have been just as likely, but but I am, as I said I've
gotten a bit of my dad's profilers gift, but more more
than that, I have actually studied the whole body language
thing and done training in that area.
And one of the guys agent Dosh, was he just, he just was like,
he thought this was stupid. I could see it in his body
language. This was, you know, yeah, I got
to do this. But I don't want to be doing
this, right? Whereas agent noises was, he was
into it. He was serious about it.
Could you tell the amount of time that they had in the bureau
or age General age? If one was younger than the
other they were they were about the same age.
I would say 40 years give or take a year or two.
Okay, each side it's interesting.
A lot of the guys that I saw that we're getting closer to
retirement and and I was not close to retirement but I felt
the same way, you know, look down the barrel.
These Stations and felt them to be ridiculous.
And mostly because most of the charges were trespassing charges
and parading and all this kind of nonsense.
And that's not what the FBI does.
It's just not what they do. So that's a really weird thing
to spend your time doing. All right?
So one guy is not into it. One guy is dialed in.
You are obviously someone who needs to be interrogated, not
interviewed. And So, what had they lead off
with the questions? Well, after we got past the
antagonism of Of the my desire to record the session.
It it went. As you might imagine, you know,
start your day. Why were you there that, you
know, the typical questions like that and and then, of course,
jumping head the, the primary theme or the primary thing that
agent noise was trying to get me to cop to, was that I knew
beyond any shadow of a doubt that I was in a restricted area.
Which I refused to yield to Because by the time I arrived at
the capital, there were no bit more barricades.
There were no police lines. There were nothing until you got
to that. West Terrace battle line, there
was not a single indication of any type at all, that you are in
a restricted area. I arrived at as I said before,
well my turned my camera on on the West Terrace battle line at
exactly. 1918 the first thing that I captured were Protesters
and police receiving first aid as a first thing that I
captured. So the battle had already been
in joined at that point and as we know now, the battle began at
1252 when that first barricade was pushed over officer, Carolyn
Edwards was pushed shoved over, hit her head on the back, the
concrete step the protesters true First Blood, sorry to all
my friends and followers out there that think that the cops
did but no that's not what happened.
Protesters drew first blood. Bud.
And then, as we out, we know. Absolutely and conclusively.
Now, even on the very first police line that they formed at
that semi-permanent, black fence that was there and set up for
the inauguration protesters again, initiated the violence
there. And it was only after that that
then the cops begin to respond with the rubber bullets and and
other types of less than lethal Munich Munitions.
And so, what ended up happening Was they were trying to press me
to get me to acknowledge that. I knew that I was in a
restricted space and I would not yield.
And then when it came to the point where, okay, you're now
filming the battle line. You now know that this is a
restricted area that you eventually went through.
I said yes, hope I said fully and which is why I never pressed
the line. I mean, the only thing I ever
pressed was play a record on my camera.
You know, I never, I never did press the line.
I never pressed against any law enforcement officer.
I never made any violent moves, or aggressive moves against
Anybody the entire time and I said to them, I said and you've
got me I know on a thousand other people's cameras.
So the questions you're asking me right now, you already know
the answers to and at that point one of them even said to me.
Yes. And thank you for not doing any
violence against law enforcement that day, that's on the record.
Assuming that doesn't get to lead it off the video if I ever
need it. So they actually thanked me for
not doing violence. And and so, but that you what
that's a that's a really weird thing to assume that there was
the possibility that you would. Well they certainly well.
Okay you and I both know how many of these defendants have
been overcharged. They've been charged with
violence or at least aiding and abetting and violence.
When they were 100 feet away. I interviewed a guy this
morning, that's exactly what happened to him, ten felony
charges and he, he's the only case, I know of which one A320
appeal, from the DC, Appellate Court, who bitch slapped his
judge and made them. Let him out of jail.
After five and a half months, send him home.
And then his final sentencing is final.
What do you call it? When they redo the charges.
Ah, superseding charges. Yeah.
Super strong indictment in felonies down to two
misdemeanors, which is probably, I mean, this was Ben, what's
that? That's where it should have
been. If it was, here's the thing, you
drop it down to that, you might as well drop the damn thing in
federal. We just don't do that.
That's just not the way to die. I mean, the guy was the guy was
innocent because he was never more than 100 feet away from
what he was being charged with. And and there's impossible.
It's impossible that the agents that that brought this to the
whatever, our us attorney. They brought it to didn't know
that. Sure.
And so, what it, what was happening with me during this
interview is, I was there specifically under the
impression that they already knew everything that they needed
to know. Anyway, the at the most videoed
event in the history, A of the world that they already knew
everything they needed to know, about me.
They had done my research on my background.
I had 25 years worth of writings that they could extract and
learn everything about my mindset and who I am.
And they've already waived the ability to charge you with
anything you say. So, it shouldn't even have
mattered what you said at that point.
Yeah. Are you familiar with the
concept of parallel construction?
Yeah. Was that something that you were
aware of the time that that you know, I didn't never crossed my
mind but I not know. Once but what?
But when they finally got to the point of me, entering the
capital and they said, okay, well obviously you knew you were
entering a restricted space at that point because you saw the
battle line, you saw them defending the building and now
you've gone in. You were violating the law at
that point and you knew you were.
I don't know, I wouldn't I leave a why I said I saw the
stand-down order they like, they looked at each other.
What are you talking about? I said there was a obvious Stand
Down order. And and what makes you think
that? I said, well, the fact that I
saw it with my own eyes, number one, I said this hundred or so
officers that were on this line and this is exactly what I said.
They didn't want to be there. They were getting the shit
kicked out of them. Yeah, I watched it.
I watched blood spill. I watched violent perpetrators
attack these guys and and they were happy there what they had
to say. Stand on that line for a solid
hour and take this abuse. And I told him, I said, hi, I
actually said this. I said, I saw what I consider to
be lethal force, you to get some of these officers.
The fact they didn't pull their guns and unload is amazing to
me. And they said what?
And it's exactly what AIDS the the more antagonistic of the two
agents said, he noise. He said, what were they supposed
to just shoot them? And I said yeah, they were
throwing Spears at him. One guy got hit in the face and
blood gushing out of his face so that it No, I said, yeah, I
would have, you know, well, moreover that that actually fits
the definition for federal law, enforcement's deadly, force
policy, which is imminent danger of death or serious physical
injury. I'd say Thrones Spears or a
large rock or any of these things have the potential of you
know, when you see the antifa type throwing fireworks explode,
and you can do real damage, you know, people have been in the
serrated by those things if they hold onto them, they lose hands
and things. So those are all, you know,
those are all deadly force things.
And as you say, a lot of restraint on behalf of The
Capitol Police on there who probably do them have the drink,
they probably don't have the training for that kind of a
riot. I'm just going, you know, that,
you know, that I've developed quite a few Capitol police
officers whistleblowers myself, okay.
And and that I'm in current contact contact with some that
have come out some that if not and almost in every case I
discuss use of force training that they've had and that we can
get into that more later because there is quite a bit of
difference between the I think that's I think that's really
interesting. Only only because most people No
idea what the standard is. No, they have no idea what the
training is, and that's very, very relevant to.
That's why I mean it's why I'm DC Metro does riots and why
federal troops do not federal officers, federal agents, do not
do riots. It's not what we do.
We offered on that and I've been a part of a lot of these things
I used to go to the State of the Union.
Every year I've been to, you know, the big Fourth of July
parades the big rallies like there's a, there's actually a
protocol to handle this kind of stuff, it turns out.
And so, I'll be very interested to hear what your sources you've
cultivated inside. There have said But you marched
in you saw Stand Down order, did you tell us what the stand-down
order look like from your end? And why you interpreted that
way? It was because it wasn't an
obvious breach. It was there was a moment in
time where Suddenly at a section and it wasn't it wasn't on the
main. You know, that semicircle West
Terrace battle line. That was held for about an hour
and a half or more actually more than an hour and a half.
And it was it was the breach was not there or the stand-down
wasn't there. Immediately, although I we going
to love this is that during the oh Keepers trial, I signed the
court protective order. Allowing me to listen to the
capital police radio Transmissions.
Okay, I've listened to all the channels.
I've read the transcripts. I've had access.
You know, that, that mythical 41,000 hours worth of video
tape. I've not seen it all because
nobody know, the one human can, but I've seen a lot of it, I
can't report on it, can't talk about it, except for that Those
portions that have been released in trial, and as evidence.
But the point being is that Sure.
Enough there was a stand-down order there there and there it
happened at the moment that I saw it with my own eyes and I
didn't learn that, that, that was true until over a year.
After my, my FBI interview, and I was validated in what I saw
with my own eyes. But that's can you say where
that came from? Where that came from the
radiant? You heard it over the radio?
Is that yours? Okay.
Heard it from the United States Capitol police, radio
Transmissions. Okay, what kind of wording was
it out of curiosity? If you're able to kind of
roughly approximate the, the The Capitol Police office for
lieutenant. Tariq Johnson familiar.
With was thankfully one? Where the, where the red Maga
hat? Yep.
Well, he's known for that, Infamous for that, disciplined
by his own department, for that suspended for that.
Here's your suspended. All right, there he is and I've
been in contact with them we're going to have them on at some
point to. So enjoy working out the time.
He seems like a really nice guy. Yeah.
So he was, he was the first guy that I worked closely with, and
throughout this entire process. Well, so that part is what he's
known for. But more importantly, he was the
hero of the day, which is why he was disciplined.
He wasn't disciplined for the red Maca hat.
He was disciplined because he took initiative and did things
actually, saying over the radio, I'll take the 550 in the 534
which were the disciplinary codes for the Capitol Police
Department, as he began the process of initiating, the
evacuation of the Senate chambers because as he had spent
several minutes ass. Asking for permission from
assistant chief, Yogananda Pittman up in the command center
and total silence total stonewalling, even with the
operator, the dispatcher repeating his request for
permission repeating. His request for direction for
orders and he just said screw it, I'll do it myself and he's a
lieutenant. So he's not like he's not like a
guy who's on the street. He's not a private there or some
low-level, dude. I mean, he's one of the senior
guys, on the Chain-of-command there for that moment, he wasn't
command-level officer-in-charge that day of the Interior
security of the building. So he said, I'm just going to
paraphrase that again. But he said, I'll take the
disciplinary forms that are going to come up because
obviously there's going to be some for him, usurping command,
and I'm taking the call and I'm making the call that we have to
stand down out of probably, I would say, officer safety
considerations based on what you were sympathetic and I'm looking
forward to ask him about that as well.
But he said those things took it on his own and then did the
right thing and step people back.
So that you could avoid having people hit in the face with a
spear and not be able to shoot him.
So he had he issued a it was a sequence of commands over
Capital police radio. The first thing he did is he had
the M4 officers withdraw and come inside the building, okay?
You wanted every officer that was carrying an automatic rifle
to get inside the building because he had determined that
they could not risk. Those weapons falling into the
hands of the protesters so everybody inside.
So he ordered That was his first pullback order was.
He ordered him for Zen and then eventually there was an order
for the entire force to come. And they did, they actually, or
it was just before 2:00, they ordered the entire us, CP, Force
to come into the building. They were going to leave Metro
outside and they were going to come in to defend the capital
because they felt like at that moment that the breach was
imminent. And so he ordered them in now,
ironically. Most of them didn't respond,
they couldn't hear the radios. Sure, the crowd noise outside
was, you know, deafening with the singing, the chanting and
all that. They other officers that I've
interviewed even CDU units, a hard units that were on the
front line of the Capitol Police that that are still with the
force today. So they're Anonymous sources.
But the point being is, is they told me flat out?
No, we could, we couldn't hear our radios at also.
The when we got the withdrawal orders at the times, it came in
and there was multiple Succession of them, we never
heard them. That's why they stayed out on
the line the entire time. And so what, what ended up
happening though is that there was an obvious pull back up top.
So the guys that were away from the away from the crowd noise
that were up top to finding the top of underneath the all the
scaffolding, you know, where they had the tarps around the
scaffolding that was being pulled off and there was a
battle going on. That's where that's where it
looked like. Like, you know, some medieval
warfare types, shit? Yeah.
Like people trying to get over a wall, right?
Right, right. And, and what ended up
happening, is those guys up there, heard the stand-down
order, they weren't, we're all the noise was right.
That's exactly what they did. It wasn't a true stand down.
It was a pullback order is what it was.
And so all of a sudden In This Moment In Time there just was
this free flow of humanity up those steps towards the
Northwest Senate side door. That was ultimately breached up
there and when I got to the top and I started Wheeling my camera
around up there, you see dozens of police officers just standing
around. Some of them are on their phone.
I assumed that they were texting their wife to and I'm okay.
And in fact, a lot of that was happening.
Sure, understandably. So, because their families were
seeing it on television back home.
And they were just standing in groups, chatting talking on
their phones, that sort of thing as people were just now.
Say, I never saw the breach of that Northwest Door that was,
well, ahead of before I got up there, hundreds of people had
moved up there before I ever made it into that.
You know, that pack of humanity that was going up.
And so now, we're back to the FBI interview.
And so that's why I never yielded that well, then they
said, well, then you entered a door, you obviously knew that
was a restricted space. I said it's a guys.
I've got it on my camera. Cops are standing around
issuing. No orders.
They're not, there's, there's nobody saying to this crowd.
You can't go in there in any manner.
Whatsoever said, they're standing around on their phones
and chatting and groups, but, you know, balder.
Yeah. What do you know about the doors
being opened or whether they were already?
How do those things open up? Because we know they had mad
Glocks. That's been a big thing of
contention I believe. Yeah that that that door was
allegedly the first door that was breached and and I have
other information directly from the CP that, in fact, there was
another breach before the before the one that the world knows
about okay. The one the official breach that
happened at 2:13 when the first guy came through the window.
So when it first couple guys came through the window, one of
them went over to the door, he hit the door that then trigger
gets got a MAG lock on it, but it triggers a 15-second delay.
It sets off an alarm like a fire alarm and then 15 seconds later
after depression. It then releases by.
And that's true of all the interior doors, just for crowd
control, or for for, you know, fire code.
I'm sure for emergent. It's actually in the DC fire
code. That's, that's the way the doors
there were checks out. I mean, you've seen the videos
of it and it's like, yeah, that's probably makes sense to
me that they would have to be able to open from the inside.
I've never heard of any, there's no there's no conspiracy there.
Ya know, but nobody was secretly ordering, the magnetic locks to
be Unleashed. Sure that mean that makes far
more sense and it makes, you know, I always tell people that,
you know, the truth is almost always something much more
foolish and silly and probably some government process to cut.
But in there, which is that you can't have interior doors lock,
you can't lock people in the building, you have to let him
out. So, yeah, so we as famous CCTV
of that breach, that happens that we seen it from the inside,
we've seen it from some of the independent journalists that
were there on the outside, capturing that it's that event.
And of course, that's where the Q&A on Shaman came through.
He was one of the first God, Probably first 20 people that
came through the door, so he was closed.
He didn't participate, but he was dang.
Close to what was happening right there.
He certainly, he certainly witnessed the violent breaching
of that window and doorway, but he did not participate himself.
And as I said, I was several hundred people behind that,
that, but I, but it was that door that I eventually walk
through and, and then of course, the rest of the rest of the FBI
interview proceeded, as you as you Might imagine it would.
And we it was, as I said it, they weren't playing bad cop,
you know, good cop kind of games on me.
Just one guy was much more serious.
One guy was obviously didn't want to be there and and on
occasion the other. The, the serious guy would get a
little irritated with me as I would press and I would ask them
questions as well. And then what ended up happening
that one point I said, I said, look, guys, I said, do you just
want me to tell you what I thought about what happened that
day? And in the the irritated guy, he
agent noise. He just goes.
He throws his hands up. Yeah, go ahead.
He says you're gonna talk anyway.
It says it's so weird that people have emotions about these
kind of things. And I've done a fair number of
interviews. I can never remember, like,
carrying one way or another. Like, I want to talk to the
person. I'm a human being, but the fact
that he's emotionally invested, this is really strange to me.
I think that's actually one of the more important details of
what you're sharing is probably not.
Do you think is the most important?
But to me, that's so strange. It's so strange that somebody
like, what is his interest in it other than what you say like you
just say what you say. That's all you do.
Who cares? Oh, you know, there was no
stereotypical G-Man Behavior out of him whatsoever, okay?
So this guy emotionally agrees for you to say, whatever, you're
going to say because you're going to do it anyway.
So yeah, but what exactly is it? So what you give, go ahead.
So I told him my whole Theory because now I've had eight
months to develop a theory, entire coil, as October's, I've
had nine ten, Now to develop my theory about what happened
today, so, I threw the whole thing out at him.
I said, I said the entire operation was rope-a-dope.
I'm saying I'm not saying that it was planned by any one, group
agency person whatsoever. I said, but whoever was up in
the command center that day, whoever had eyeballs on the
entire thing because there was, you know, 1200 cameras there and
the command center has access to all of those.
They knew what was going on. I had not even heard.
The the radio Transmissions at this point I didn't I didn't get
access those to those three. A year later.
And but I know what I knew at the time and I know what I said
scene. And I said somebody allowed it
to take place and as it goes said, I said it was a Rope, A
Dope. They, it was like, let him in
here. Okay.
Oh, oh good, they don't have any guns, let him in here, let him
in the next level. Let them battle there for an
hour, okay? They don't have guns, let them
in the door. And then the narrative was
captured and it was one. And it was the biggest political
narrative, this Victory, I think, in our nation's history,
I've exactly, you know, I'm a history buff, but I've gone back
through my memories and my the reading that I've done the study
that I've done. Certainly the largest political
narrative victory in my lifetime, at least in the last
hundred years. I can't think of one that was
Smore. Only one that day and it was
whether it was planned or allowed.
It was a resounding victory for that person.
Nancy Pelosi who said and the one-year anniversary of the
event at the commemorative events that she planned on the
first anniversary. She said that the intention of
these commemorative events were to establish and preserve The
Narrative of January 6th, quote unquote.
Out dead on. Google it.
Yeah, that's really gross. Say, I want you to say it one
more time. The your working Theory because
I don't know that I've ever have.
You heard anyone else articulate it that way.
No because I haven't either and I'm I'm not someone who was
there. I was in d.c. area at the time.
I was assigned to Washington field at the time but I got no I
got no dog in the in the race and this one and I think it's a
it's a very interesting way of explaining it.
You think that they essentially Vetted the crowd at each of the
stages. Let him Tire himself out.
Rope-a-dope is a boxing term for people that that are not my.
I don't know what my listening audience look like it.
You've never seen boxing you let somebody Tire themselves out by
throwing punches and you think they let them Tire themselves
out in tears and tiered stages as they let them slowly and as
they were able to pull the protectees out, right?
Because the we know the Senate was evacuated.
We know the the Congress was backing it so they were all out.
It's just a building at this point.
And you think they tired, himself out at each tier and
vetted the basically the level of violence that the crowd
wouldn't engage in until they eventually and pulled back to
just more and more and eventually let him through the
building. I absolutely, I am convinced
that once that it was determined by the eyes in the sky that this
crowd was not going to brandish firearms and their efforts that
and that's why I've said from day one, I said it on the first
night I said, sticks. Flag poles and bear spray does
not an Insurrection make. I agree with you and this was
something else and again whether it was whether there were crowd
control provoked, professional provocateurs, who manipulated
movements that day or not. It was allowed to transpire, it
was allowed to develop, it was allowed to take place.
And then once they realized that everybody was going to be okay,
this is the word, you know, that we're going to let em in,
although I did right in my second story, that came out,
February 24th that I deemed the Capitol Police to be sacrificial
pawns. That day that they were the
front line. And if anybody was going to take
that first volley of shots had those, you know, Bubba's The
South has Maga guys come in with their concealed weapons.
That the capital police were there to take the first shots
and the officer said, your you saying that they were willing to
sacrifice our, the FBI you're telling me that they set this,
those those guys up to be shot. I said, yes, absolutely.
What do you think the lieutenant Johnson have similar that he
helped you kind of craft any that thoughts or the way that
his experience kind of played out to that change or my I
didn't meet off Sir, Johnson Tool over a year after my FBI
interview, but he validated my theories.
In fact, the very first personal meeting I had with him, sitting
at the table with him. I said these words, I said said
to him, I said my second article seems Tarik because B EK, I
said, TK my second article, I actually said that you guys from
what I saw were sacrificial pawns that day and he leaned
over and put his hand in my face and he said that's exactly
right. They didn't give a shit.
What Happened to us that day, right?
Welcome quote. Are you familiar with the
concept of a national special security event?
Have you ever heard of those in your kind of?
No not not specific. Maybe I know the concept and
don't know it by title. So they do this every year for
the State of the Union, they do this every year for the big
stuff, they've done it for some protests.
There's actually a step down version of it.
That's a little bit more imminent where an event looks
like it's going to go big but it's a it's a national
coordination that happens from DHS from Secret Service is
actually the primary agency because you chain of command.
You got a Name somebody. So they named secret service has
responsibilities, and they coordinate FBI officer FBI,
agents, and security assets, which are going to be in the
building they coordinate Park. Police as you accurately
mentioned earlier would be one of the people you'd see on the
mall because they're responsible for the National Mall.
You'd see the helicopter up. You'd see the department of
energy doing sweeps for dirty bombs and you see Capitol Police
defending the capital, you know, setting up for physical security
and you'd see DC Metro handling Riot and crowd control, and, and
routes, really Ingress, and egress shutting off streets.
Needed and everybody kind of goes through a Central Command
Center every individual agency gets their own Command Center.
But the Secret Service holds a joint Command Center where all
the leaders from all those, different entities, mentioned,
and more are all together, and they quarterback, how to make
sure that things get done. So people can have their first
amendment protected activities, whatever they are without
violence without danger without terrorist activities and so on
and and the FBI's job is usually in a low visibility or
undercover type role walking around and kind of Confronting
people that are pushing the envelope to keep things under
control. We do it every year for for all
the inaugurations, like I said, state of the unions and some
other big events as well. And for whatever reason, the
January 6 2021 was not an nsse nor was it one of the other sort
of step down tears, which are just other special security
events where this kind of coordination would happen.
When I talked to TK for just a brief minute, he said we were on
a skeleton crew that day. Yeah and and it sounds like did
you witness like they had Officers even handle the lines
they were on or was this you call them sacrificial Lambs that
so that doesn't sound like something that goes back to my
very first story because I as I said, my first story was just
what I saw. And one of the things that I did
not see that day was adequate police protection, and it made
no sense to me whatsoever. It was one of the most Stark
things that I remembered and then of course as I didn't went
back through so many many different times over my videos
and I'm looking for evidence of police presence, even all the
way back to the Washington Monument and then the the Fire
walk back towards the capitol. It just didn't exist and that
made no sense to me. And then, when I get to the
capital, I actually, this is exactly what I said.
I wrote this. I said, I personally, estimated
less than 200 Capital. Nadia, I wasn't adding Metro in,
but II, just amazed that there were less than 200 available
Capital police officers during the heat of the, you know, the
the shitstorm that was going on in the wetsuit West Side there.
Yeah, the Frat. And so and but see in that
estimate, that's not what I saw. I then just doubled it because I
didn't know what was going on on the east side and I said, okay,
you know, that they would probably have equal distribution
of forces on both sides. So because I saw less than 100
US Capitol Police on that side. And then in my first interview
with TK, he told me, he said, when he got to work, he felt
like that. The number that were actually
available to him, was about 120 officers.
Now this Was on a day in a circumstance when, under normal
circumstances, either by the description you gave a while
ago, that they would have been all hands on deck.
Yeah. And that's how those things
work, right? So they canceled leave as you
can imagine. They put everybody that's on a
specialty team on standby during the Fourth of July parades,
you'll find this kind of funny. I probably they actually take
the FBI's evidence dive team and they put them on their boats and
they run up and down the Potomac and they look underneath all the
bridges which you know there's Bridges going.
To d.c. Irv on certain areas.
So they run up and down to do that and you know the Coast
Guard's up there doing their thing.
Like everybody is involved and if you're not involved you're in
a standby posture to run down actual threats and leads as
needed because just because you have a security person, you
know, posture doesn't mean that you don't have investigations
have to follow on. So the investigators are
actually standing by as well. This is standard.
And I've seen that for the beginning.
I've always thought that was the strangest thing that they didn't
do that to us. Because I would have been
assigned to a A standby investigative role if that had
happened and it didn't happen. Yeah, well, I've done three
parts of my Capital police series.
Now, part 1, 2 & 3 are dealing with a lot of what we talk about
when I reference the Capitol Police, and especially a lot of
that is based on the corroborative interviews.
I've done from TK and then the other unnamed sources that I've
developed inside the Capitol Police Force.
But the most Stark and obvious problem of the day, which takes
us. Now, we have to shift back more
towards the conspiratorial side rather than this was always
going to happen. So we might as well do it.
We don't, we don't have any choice, but to examine the fact
and this is a fact, not only were they under deployed that
day purposefully, so by my estimation and by all evidence
as it presents itself, but the fact that the capital police
themselves had issued, 88 demonstration protest event
permits on the grounds that day and they were yet not properly
prepared. That's first clue, second, clue
that there was something else up.
Something else going down? Was that the officers?
As who had they have testified, in the various trials, have said
we showed up for work that day thinking, it was just another
day at the office. Yeah, officers who testified in
these major trials have On the stand.
No, we had. No, we were not.
We're not briefed at all on protest events on the capital
ons, comma, Capital Lon our grounds.
We were not brief that. There was going to be a stage
that there was going to be Congress members.
Speaking on the capitol grounds that afternoon, never briefed in
their morning, roll call briefings of that one officer.
I remember his name, Brian sarki.
He was on the east side, he valiantly bravely heroically
took and stood at that door and took a beating and just
mercilessly sprayed by all types of OC sprays and chemicals for
about an hour and never left his post, where other guys were
running away, he stood and took the whole on slide himself and
he testified in the first oathkeepers trial and they under
cross-examination, they asked him what he knew what was going
on in d.c. that day. He said, the only thing I knew
is that something was happening The White House.
How's that for? That's that Kyle.
That's not an intelligence failure.
No, I agree with you. Yeah.
And and, and just a few 8 permit.
Exactly. That's, that's the big
difference. Yeah, there's a Miss, then, you
got a staff for eight events that are happening
simultaneously and you got to put people out for that.
So that's always been one of the things that's been confused at
the more I learned about the fact that that was going on.
There's just obvious questions you have when you're involved in
that type of work. It's like okay.
Well how many people you're expecting at the event?
That's the next question. And and then, what is the
security posture look like? And how far from the building is
going to be or what? You know, that's what physical
security does. And Capitol Police is actually
pretty good at doing physical security.
I don't know that they're a great investigative Force.
I have no idea whether they're a good, you know, principal
protection Force. That's not, that's not their
thing. They do physical security for a
building and they do it well, because I stayed up and, you
know, and I'm never, I never say this derogatorily when I say
this, but even if it doesn't matter if you're a hard that
guy, if you're an investigative guy, if you're a special agent
of the United States Capitol Police, Ninety-nine percent of
their career time on duty as a glorified tour guide.
Now, or security guard, just standing still.
I mean, I'm mostly just it's not, it's not the most violent
place in Washington and that's why that's why the posture was
totally different from MPD. When they showed up, when they
showed up, they were ready to bust heads.
Because that's what we do, that is what they do.
And they're really good at it. By the way, I mean, I've seen
him on two different inaugurations handle business.
They're not my favorite police force, not by a long shot.
I think that they hire people with felonies, which is really
bizarre. Do most people, you know, they
have a serious corruption issue, and they've got a serious Force
issue. But that's not to say that there
are not some really, really Valiant people that stay on the
front lines and take a beating and and deliver a beating and
stop people from from infringing on other people's rights, which
is what they do. They're very good at it, they're
very good at crowd control and they're highly affected their
trained all the time because they get used all the time.
They've got a lot of experience in that.
So that's, that's interesting to me, all right.
How many theories do you have on?
What do you think, went down? If we're going to get because we
will step in a conspiracy a little bit.
We could just say this is specular from here on out and I
think that's very respectable and there's no reason I don't
have a Smoking Gun yet more importantly though because we
haven't been given access to as a public.
And I think I heard you saying this on either your podcast or
of this might have been on. You said on Tucker.
Maybe both you said that, you believe these foot this footage
should be released the American people because it's paid for by
the American people. I feel the same way.
This is America's information. I feel the same way about
information about the FBI, by the way, it's like radical
transparency in sunlight will disinfect all the ill and we can
clean it up from there. But only, if we all know the
facts and we can all agree on like this is what happened.
This is why. So in the absence of that, which
we are in the absence of maybe top to top three, kind of
theories on what you think happened in reverse order,
what's the least likely thing that happened kind of moving
towards what you think the most likely and you can be as vague
or broad as you like or specific.
If you have really Lee concrete ideas because you've seen other
than I have, I think the least likely thing is that there was
some coordination between a disparate group of entities, you
know, about a group of three percent etre.
Three percenters working with antibody working with the feds
working with the, you know, whoever else to create these
little pockets and scenarios of crowd militant manipulation and
control. And and as I'm sure you're aware
are aware those. Types of things happen, and they
are as old as Warfare itself. You can move crowds with just a
few violent people. And you can, you can inflict.
Well, you can start wars at last four years with just a handful
of people, and you can certainly move crowds on site, where one
is a pretty good example of turns out.
So yeah, I agree with you. What's that?
I said, World War one is a great example that just one guy and
one guy and you got a whole world at war.
So, okay. So least likely is mass
cooperation by a bunch of different disparate entities.
Getting involved. I think that's probably Fair.
What about sort of mid-level mid-level would be and I am very
open to this mid-level idea is that because of what I know
about the lack of until preparation and sharing of what
was known by the FBI that day and what was known by other
groups that day and of what was deliberately.
And I sit when I say this, I say, was deliberately not shared
with the The Frontline uniformed, officers of the
United States Capitol Police that day.
And I have this direct testimony from their mouth to my ears and
of not only what was not shared with them.
But what was then hidden after the fact And because I know that
I'm open to this mid-level idea that somebody up the chain.
Worked with the Capitol Police. Specifically are Okay, you want
me to just say I'll do you like way up?
Yeah. You want me to just say I want
you to see this is opinion. So you can say any pinion you
have and I am very strong believer in the First Amendment.
So if yeah you got I just want you to lose your G-Man position
and throw throw up your hands, I can't do.
It does not my thing, but yeah, but but I think there's a,
there's some wild conspiracies, and then there's some like
pretty grounded conspiracies that make a lot more sense.
So, you know, you're in the middle level right now, I
believe that assistant, chief Chief.
Yogananda Pittman, who was head of a capital police
intelligence? Yeah, who is sitting in the
chair in the control room that day?
Had somebody above her directing her to allow what took place
that day to go forward as it developed.
As I said, the rope-a-dope operation, I believe that it was
a Complicit. Plan between her and somebody
above her. That in case this developed in
that way and we're going to set it up this way so that we're not
properly staffed knowing that thousands of people were going
to be moving towards the capitol that day.
And just in case it does get out of hand.
Let's call Fort Belvoir. And have them there.
Let's have US, Marshals embedded.
Let's have some other agencies embedded in the crowd,
contingency plans, various things, not to be provocateurs
themselves. But just in case it gets out of
hand will have people in the crowd to take care of business,
okay? And I think that, that is what
happened that day. So of that of, that sort of
analysis, the only really nefarious part of that is the
poor Staffing on intentionally because everything else would
sort of fall in line if you didn't have enough people.
And you let's say, we didn't know that.
That was the case. It just happened.
That the event happened. Organically, nobody could.
Predicted this number of the people in the crowd, we're just
gonna have to, you know, eliminate the fact that we know
that that wasn't the case because of all the permits.
But if that was the case and you had a massive crowd that you
weren't prepared for the rope-a-dope is a really smart
move tactically. You're going to wear them out,
you're going to vet them as they come in, you're going to move
them in closer and closer and eventually going to get what
they want. Once you've protected, the
things you're responsible for protecting, so that's actually
not a bad, you know, in the field tactical level awareness
but on a strategic level, it's much more nefarious when you
talk about setting those people up.
For that failure because your Frontline officers are going to
do the best they can. Your intermediate supervisors
liked, Eric are going to have to do what they've got to do, which
is to keep protect officer safety and also the assets that
they're sworn to protect. So that's not a bad move like
they're doing the best thing as possible and really that comes
down to a very, very nasty potential nefarious action.
The the real malfeasance is setting that failure up.
The inevitable failure up which I think is what a lot of people
are landing on right now. I think that To pick it up.
It's a tight analysis of it, but so many people are coming to it.
It's like where did it fail? Your happen.
The failure happened in Staffing.
And so, then the question becomes was, it was it
malfeasant comforter for incompetence, right, correct.
Right. And that's that's, and here's
the thing, either way, that is, that is a absolutely destructive
thing. That should be enough to end a
career. And not get you put in charge of
the Berkeley Police Department at a triple salary.
Bingo, that here. That's when you get the next
level, right? I always default towards
government. Incompetence first before I go,
before I put on my tinfoil hat. Yep, because that's always the
most likely scenario. It's still.
Here's the other thing, though. Even in your analysis though,
that could still be the possibility because whether you
set it up on purpose to be incompetent, or you or, you
know, to have this sort of malfeasance or whether you were
incompetent, the way it played out, played really nicely into
one set of hands and rewarding people for something that worked
out in their favor. Just a dumb luck is still well
within the Playbook of all, government entities, and
especially corrupt ones. It's like, well, now you got to
keep your mouth shut and you're never going to identify what
happened, because we have a narrative, we're going to keep
it and you're going to get paid off to do it and house triple.
Your salary sound at this is cush gig in Berkeley where
you've never lived, and you have no connection to accept that,
it's just outside of Nancy Pelosi, except that it's just
outside. The former speaker space, it
turns out. So those kind of things These
are very those are very suspect and they lead people in the
absence of any overwhelming evidence to the contrary, which
the government may have in could provide to us as speculators at
this point. They could debunk this in a
second. If there was a way to debunk it.
But they also confirmed it really, really, really tangibly.
If they released everything as well.
It's a possibility. So they could debunk it by
releasing the morning briefings that morning, but I have
testimony myself through interviews off the Record.
A name Source, hard unit is morning briefing that morning
for the first time in his entire career as a capital police
officer, they were not given given printed copies of their
morning briefing and they were told by the captain who gave
them the briefing. I know who's the captain is that
the reason they were not going to be handed printed copies.
Now by the way, these are very very Detailed briefings are they
can be 12 20 25 pages long especially on a big day like
that and and the printed copy would go to either a lieutenant
or someone just below that like like a high-level sergeant if
they don't know, they are going to organize but that person
would be able to deploy forces because that's their job.
They've got 15 or 20 or whatever direct reports and everybody's
got a gig at a certain time. Okay but you're not going to get
printed copies today because we have to our information today is
to sin. Adjective.
So all the guys are like, okay, so they get their morning
briefing. When the briefing was over, they
all looked at each other again and went What the hell is that
all about, right? Because we're was the sensitive
information. It was no sensitive information,
just another day at the office. So then when they were required
to file their app after-action reports.
This particular offer officer goes to his sergeant and says I
need a copy of the briefing, the reference for my after-action
report and he said they've they've been deleted and he went
What he said? Yeah.
Captain blah blah blah deleted. The reports from the hard drive.
Why would you do that? I don't know.
Just what he told me. It's just what he told me that
this is, this is coming directly from and confirmed by other
officers on that, in that unit, or that group.
Then we finally see the actual printed 16-page CDU briefing.
It's now available. I have it.
I have a copy of it. I sent the copy that I have over
to This Heart Unit individual, who got the breeding The
Briefing, which was put up on the screen behind them and he
said that's not the briefing. We received The Briefing that
they show to the public identifies, all these secondary
stages, and all the stuff that was happening on the grounds
that day that comport with the eight permits, that have been
issued. That's the briefing that has
been made public and it's dated January 3rd.
The officers, I've talked to said, that's not the briefing,
we received and we believe that that was created after the fact.
Yes. I mean there's really only two
possibilities and you're laying out one of them, which is that
it was done after the fact or that these guys are mistaken and
this was the briefing and they blew it.
And you don't have any communicated by multiple sources
and you have cooperating sources that that say otherwise yeah and
how comfortable hand. So, when we do intelligence,
when we do intelligence, we always analyze the the
capability of the source, right? And they'll say, I assessed with
low medium or high confidence that this information is
accurate. If you To assign a low medium or
high confidence to the fact that your sources were giving you
good information? Where would you what would you
call it? Oh, I would call it very high
because what I heard in the courtroom under oath other
officers just as ignorant to the happenings that day.
As these guys were, if these guys were, the CD units were
given detailed, Morning briefings on what was happening
that day on the capitol grounds? And then another officer who was
just guarding the East door knew nothing, then you'd go.
Okay, well that doesn't make any sense.
But what happened was, is the guys in the CD units.
Edu unit are saying there was nothing special given to us
about that day. That's not the briefing that we
got. And that again, is an alignment
with what we heard in testimony and trial that they didn't know.
And And not just from the capitol police officers himself.
But so many others including the event, planner the event planner
himself, who was responsible for that?
You know, setting up the stage. This guy this guy has for years.
Been doing very large events events from 5,000 people to a
half, a quarter of a million people.
He's been the event planner for those events and he was, he was
secured to hired to secure the permits from the Capitol Police,
for this particular event because that's his specialty.
He was secured to bring in the the staging, The Sounds
coordinating, the scheduling of the speakers including Congress
members, all of the above. So this guy in his own
testimony. He said when the truck started
arriving with the staging and with the gear at 9:00 in the
morning, he said that was this is testimony in trial.
He said the most unusual thing that he saw he said, by that
time on a day like that with as many people as we were
anticipating, he said I would not only have seen five six,
seven times, a number of officers, Site.
He said, I would have seen it at least two or three different
tactical units in the area as well.
And he said there was none and maybe a half a dozen officers
Milling around in the area. He said that was the first most
Stark difference at the start of his day as an event planner that
he experienced on. January 6th again completely
making the testimonies of these officers highly you know
believable. Yeah I think I agree with you.
I so I don't know if you don't have been told us to Whole bunch
of people but I was out doing training with a bunch of
tactical units from different Maryland.
Police units, including some of the guys from the Maryland State
Police emergency services. You know, I think it CSU or
something to that effect, Emergency Services Division, and
they all got paged out, you know, in the afternoon, when I
just went sideways, they were not on standby.
We were doing, we're doing training.
We were out on a shooting range. We were doing flat range,
training and these guys were looking around going, what in
the world? Just happened in the capital and
then we turned on, you know, some news feeds and salt.
Some of them, what had happened and it's like, okay, there's a
guy with a Viking helmet, and he's sitting in the speaker's
chair, something went sideways and so they're like, we got to
do Mutual Aid. So we have to respond to this
but they were on standby. And and generally speaking as we
talked about earlier, I think you would expect that some of
these units would be ready because they do have agreements
with places. Like DC, especially in large
crowd, control environments, they have authorities to come in
and help out or their own backup.
So they'll be sitting on a bag somewhere, they hang out with
your gear and get ready to go and they're all tacked up and
chopped up and they sit around and mostly they just get stood
back down and they go back to their life, but they had totally
different plans, including the commander of that unit.
By the way, that was one of the guys I was shooting with.
So the commander of the Maryland State Police Tactical Unit was
just hanging out with me. We're having a good old time.
We were talking about guns, you know, we're talking about
competitive shooting and all the things you would do and then we
look around halfway into the afternoon and his leg up, and
then Tom had to leave. And that was the last time I got
to see him because, you know, we had a short friendship because
January 6 events which which put them into action, right?
I do agree with you that that makes it much more credible.
I think. I appreciate you.
Kind of like flushing it out. I think people need to hear the
reasons why certain things are credible.
Sometimes it needs to be spoon-fed and especially in
something. So contentious as this there
are, you know, we have to draw the lines between all the data
points and I think that's their, one of the things that has kind
of brought you into a more of a national Spotlight, or had you
go and sit on, on a fox program, was a concern that you think
that the FBI made, Be turning around and going after people
like you and independent journalists who are disrupting
The Narrative and people like Tucker Carlson as well.
Who are releasing things that are contrary to what we've been
hearing about for two years? Even though I think a lot of
folks understand that the narrative was always was very
manufactured. Like there was they was contrary
evidence right away and what the reason was was not really a
parent, like did they open it to the cops?
Open the doors to the cops? Just let the doors.
Be opened where the doors breached thrown open.
In the cops were told to stand down like they're, you know, A
lot of different possibilities and you've kind of alighted on
one of them. But why do you think there's a
new focus on like why would the FBI focus on you?
Now with the fact that some of the stuff is big in National and
there's nothing they can do to control it?
I don't think you think there's something they could do like by
resting. You would date, would they
change that game? Well, first of all, I was told
after my FBI interview at the conclusion of that interview
that just and this is them speaking even the the rough guy,
you know, everybody's were smiling and we ended it on some
joviality and we've had some laughs and And so, we're all
kind of standing around the table at this point and, you
know, poking fun at one another, for different things, that sort
of thing. Sure.
And it's just, just, just so, you know, mr.
Baker, that you know, it's not in our hands at all.
We're going to, you know, submit the report the video, the audio
transcript. Something made by the Department
of Justice. If they decide to move against
you, here's what's going to happen.
There's going to because of your cooperation, you're not going to
be arrested, there's not going to be any purpose.
Walk you'll your attorney will get a call.
We'll set up a mutually agreeable time.
They knew about my career as a musician and that I have, you
know, I have shows and because I still do, I still play?
Sure and in fact I got a show tomorrow and and so they said
we'll work with you around your schedule and you'll come in
submit yourself to the to the marshals and then they'll
process you and you'll be released on your own
recognizance that sort of thing they said.
So that's that's how it's going to go.
And they said and by the way it If there are any charges filed,
they'll be misdemeanor charges, that that's it.
You know, that's been. So that's how we left the day.
Another month passes and you get the, you get the, you see that
you see the caller ID on your phone, that you don't ever want
to see. And it's my attorney and I'm
like crap and sure enough he says, hey Steve I got some bad
news for you. He said I just got an email from
the assistant us attorney out of the Philadelphia office.
Her name is Anita Eve and they are going to go ahead and file
charges against you and he said, That's the bad news he said but
the worst news is there wasn't a good news.
He said the worst news is that they're charging you with
Interstate racketeering, oh good.
And I went What? and he said, yeah, he said when
I saw it, And I went straight and looked up the code and sure
enough. And I'm like, send that to me,
send it to me. He emailed it over to me and
it's a felony 20 years, you know, and prison.
And I said his name is Matt Hazmat.
What, what is this? So there was not only the
racketeering charge but also there were hitting me with A
damaged which I did none of whatsoever.
So you'll like this going back to the interview.
Now, at one point, I'm describing to them how that in
each section of the capital, when I would, how I would get up
and away. Oh, you got up ahead, you doing
so what like, you know, one of the rooms, whatever it was, I
said, you know, I got it. I stood up on a bench so I could
get above the crowd and film. What they were doing and agent
noise, the guy goes because you stood on the bench.
I said, yeah. He reached out and starts
writing on his Pad but I kind of like Welsh an unusual response
to me standing on a bench, pretty innocuous statement.
Yeah. Guess what under the criminal
code standing on a bench in federal property of any kind?
Any place, anywhere is a federal crime.
It's private is actually in the property, damaged section of the
code. So they were going to charge me
with property damage and Interstate racketeering in the
only thing that we could surmise or only thing that we could come
up with is that also in the FBI interview, they were really
inquisitive about how much money I had made off of my videos and
from licensing because I had an agent and I licensed at through
that agency and it my videos ended up in the HBO documentary
The New York Times documentary and new Services all over the
world, use my some of my video clips.
And so, I mean, it, to be honest with you, thus, the the standard
rate on these kinds of things is very, very low, you'd be
surprised how low it is. I probably had not pocketed more
than 15-hundred dollars total in the eight months since the event
at that 810 months before my interview.
And so I told them that they wrote that down but they were
still very inquisitive. They really wanted to know.
They started asking me questions about my finances and this was
the only this was the only time in the to our Interview that I
looked over at my attorney. I go I don't have to answer
that. Do I know he goes no I said
okay, so the stop. The money questions has nothing
to do with January 6th. They were okay, okay.
And and so essentially the interstate racketeering charge
the best, we can figure out was the fact that they were going to
make the claim that I knew that there was an illegal event, that
was going to take place that day and I traveled across state
lines, specifically for the purpose of profiting, from an
illegal event. That's a hell of a claim.
Hell of a claim. Yeah, well So so he receives
this notice of the impending charges against me and this is
an exact quote from the email from assistant us attorney Anita
Eve. She said your client will be
charged within the week. That was November seventeenth,
twenty twenty one week before Thanksgiving And being the kind
of guy I am, I wasn't going to take that sitting down, I sat
down and drafted out a press release.
Ran it by my attorney and another writer friend of mine.
Cleaned it up. We send it out to about 200 news
Services. The next, on Monday morning, at
9:00 in the morning at 1:15. On Monday afternoon, my attorney
gets another email from assistant, us attorney an ed
with a copy of the press release.
Hmm. Guess who's monitoring my
communications? Yeah, sure.
She has it. She sends my attorney a copy of
the press release says we're not happy about this.
Well, I'm very lucky in that I have my Raleigh attorney as a
flaming libertarian himself and he responded exactly in the
manner that I would hope and expect from him.
He says he said, you are not expecting that my client at,
first of all, he says, you've seen who he is, because I'm
pretty aggressive. And she goes, you know, he's not
going to shut up. And he says, are you expecting
that? My attorney, my client is going
to forego his first amendment rights to tell the world about
his impending purse. Fusion from the Department of
Justice and she wrote back and said oh no no no that's not what
I'm implying at all I'm just letting you know that the judge
whoever handles his case. May not look at this very
favorably to which I responded to my attorney said as if she
cares how the judge is going to respond to my actions, my
journalistic activities and responding to this threat and
Very, very fortunate in that because of that press release
Wheels started turning very quickly because we were going on
and we were going on the offense is essentially what we were
doing against the threat. Yes, it was a media offensive
against the threat, but other things happen in the process, I
By Tuesday Morning of Thanksgiving week, I was
starting to get the calls from various agencies.
Want to know, smaller, smaller entities in the press.
That were wanting to talk to me newspapers podcasters radio
shows that sort of thing and, but additionally, I got a call
from you. I think, you know, Mike Waller,
right? I do know my quality.
Yes. So Mike and I we had
cross-pollinated because our original January 6, stories, I
think his came out on January 12th man.
Came out on January. Paint and we became Mutual
admirers admirers of one another.
Because we saw the same thing, he's pretty sharp.
Yep. Yeah.
We saw exactly the same thing in that craft and our stories were
so up closely almost identical that we became friends.
As a result of that, I sent him a copy of the press release, he
had me on the phone that night with Senator Ron Johnson from
Wisconsin know when Senator Johnson did not have to talk to
me. I don't live in his state.
I'm not one of if his constituents I can never vote
for him and that guy, Told Mike Waller to give me his personal
cell, phone number at 9:15 on Tuesday night, Thanksgiving
week. I called the said he answers the
phone I said, is this hello? This is a senator Johnson, he
goes, it's Ron. So this is Steve Baker.
I was giving your number to call you and I said, well and I
started explaining what was going on and I kept calling him
Senator Johnson. He goes it's Ron I said, okay,
I'll give in Senator Ron and and And he was, he said, all right,
he said I'm going to have, I'm going to have my investigators
call you because he was on the, you know, the the minority team
obviously in the Senate but he was he was the minority leader
on the house investigative committee for January 6th, I'm
sorry the Senate investigating committee, right?
And he said, I'll have my, my investigators get in touch with
you shortly and you can tell us your story and that happened.
And so I suddenly had a Senator in my corner, like, Waller in my
corner, we had the Press offensive going on.
And then, on Wednesday morning, I got a call from, who would
eventually become my DC attorney?
And he is 22 years, former Federal prosecutor And happened
to work in the same office with a USA.
Anita e for 12 years. Oh wow.
She's someone whose name is public.
Are we keeping him out of this? Yeah, it's Brad.
Geyer he was also can Harrelson's attorney in The Oath
Keepers trial. Okay.
The first Keepers trial, he's represented some other January 6
clients as well. And do you know why?
So I'm going to pause you for one second, you have an instinct
of what kind of Bravery it takes, for an attorney to jump
into this Fray because I have a little bit of a I was asking for
some help when I was going through my whistleblower stuff
and they were telling me they were basically having to say no
over and over again to j6 defendants because they were all
mostly impoverished. Mostly had made bad decisions
and then Partners were voting against even in conservative law
firms. They didn't want to touch this
nuclear reactive toxic football. That was January 6, and I
imagine you probably experienced some of that as well.
Well, you and I know. That we're running up against
this in our own efforts to bring to light, the Abomination.
That is the Department of Justice right now and even
though we have Allegedly friendly forces on our side in
the House of Representatives, whether it's the so-called
weaponization committee, whether it's the house oversight,
Committee of the house administration, those three main
committees which should be on our team and should be helping
us with our investigations and our efforts to bring these
abuses to light you. And I both know that they also
are reacting to the toxicity. That is January 6 and we're not
getting the support you need. You're attributing.
The possible sort of negative Fallout of picking a side and
and maybe even just saying that the truth is the side is too
much for these committees. Is that more or less.
What you're saying, I'm saying that they don't want to touch
it, they don't want to get within, you know, thousand feet
of it. I have come, I have come to the
conclusion that it's again. You either you either when
you're, when you're talking about politics, it's not
necessarily an issue of malfeasance.
Has incompetence but either they are themselves part of the
system. That they're seeking to
maintain. That would be the conspiratorial
side. Yep.
Or because it's politics. Polling is more.
Important than principle and they have internal polling from
their voters and their constituencies that were tired
of this January 6 crap and they just want it to go away and just
so let all these cases run their course.
Let the da doj run roughshod over this next thousand people
to be arrested. Let it happen.
And one day it will be over within the quieter.
We are about at the less likely we are to do damage to ourselves
in the next election cycle. That's I think is happening
right now. But the problem Kyle is it that
they don't understand? Is that January 6th?
January 6 is not about what happened on January 6th, it's
just not, the problem is, is that the Department of Justice
is? In fact, the heart, the soul,
the core of the Death Star that is attacking our civil liberties
or civil, or civil liberties, the Constitution and The the
basic rights of Americans and January 6th is just right now
the experimental playground where they're discovering they
get to run roughshod with no rules and they press it in every
single trial. In every single case, with every
single defendant, they are making and setting precedent.
Now that we can do whatever we want to Bill of Rights, be
damned and they're getting by with it.
It's interesting that you call it the Death Star.
That's that's something that we refer to main justice as when
you work inside the FBI doj sometimes I call the Hoover
building the same thing. They asked me to go do an
interview there and I said, I have no interest in you know
going to the death star. That doesn't sound like a thing.
I want to do. They didn't like it when I said
that, but I don't really care and I recorded it anyway.
I've called January 6, the American Rorschach test.
What do you think about that as an image?
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