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All right, and we are back. 
We're going to get into this 

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interview because now I'm very 
my appetite is whetted to find 

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out what happens when you piss 
off, the guys that are going to 

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talk to you about a recording, 
and it sounds like you agree. 

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Need not to be recording. 
Did they make any assurances 

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that? 
He give you a copy of what they 

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were going to record it all? 
Because they did have that 

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ability. 
Yeah well what they told me this

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is exactly what they said is 
that I would not be able to have

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access to that recording either 
video or audio and a less I was 

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charged and then it would be 
made available to me through 

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Discovery. 
But other than that, I would 

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never see it. 
And then on top of that, they 

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also mentioned though, that this
was part of your property that 

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you couldn't be charged for 
anything you said during that. 

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Anyhow. 
That's correct. 

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Yeah, it's Frustrating thing 
that I said could be used 

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against me unless I lied, right?
Okay. 

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So, it's funny because I guess 
it's quirky more than funny. 

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It's not really funny or 
amusing. 

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It's but I've been in that 
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understand why you wouldn't give
somebody a copy of an interview.

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It doesn't bother me at all. 
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for proper sessions with people,
they come out of prison and sit 

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within our attorneys and I'd 
say, look, you know, I will send

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you a CD, a copy of this 
recording literally, as soon as 

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I get back and I download it 
because I don't care. 

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It's just like the words were 
there. 

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You were there, I was there. 
They're the attorneys there. 

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We all know what was said, so 
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well as you can imagine before 
this interview, both of them had

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a stack in front of them of 
everything that I had probably, 

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you know, written up a certainly
everything. 

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I've written about January 6 up 
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died at eight months. 
Now worth of work on that story 

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at this point and they were 
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as you are. 
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Further back into my history and
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pertinent maybe in anything. 
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inflammatory of any kind or 
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course, if you're a Libertarian,
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anti-government every other 
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So that's just part of what we 
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Yeah. 
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might add, that's correct and 
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overthrowing the government, 
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them accountable. 
That's is as is our right as you

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say, as you stated so. 
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I was up against there and and I
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you know, I would, I would just 
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input on this as well, but I 
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of interview and that was not at
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It's just actually one of the 
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other guy was an asshole. 
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realistic possibility. 
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gotten, is that it wasn't 
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You could have gotten to really 
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would have been just as likely, 
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gotten a bit of my dad's 
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than that, I have actually 
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thing and done training in that 
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And one of the guys agent Dosh, 
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he thought this was stupid. 
I could see it in his body 

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language. 
This was, you know, yeah, I got 

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to do this. 
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this, right? 
Whereas agent noises was, he was

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into it. 
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Could you tell the amount of 
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other they were they were about 
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I would say 40 years give or 
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Okay, each side it's 
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A lot of the guys that I saw 
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retirement and and I was not 
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the same way, you know, look 
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These Stations and felt them to 
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And mostly because most of the 
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and parading and all this kind 
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And that's not what the FBI 
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It's just not what they do. 
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to spend your time doing. 
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So one guy is not into it. 
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You are obviously someone who 
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interviewed. 
And So, what had they lead off 

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with the questions? 
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antagonism of Of the my desire 
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start your day. 
Why were you there that, you 

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know, the typical questions like
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jumping head the, the primary 
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agent noise was trying to get me
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beyond any shadow of a doubt 
that I was in a restricted area.

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Which I refused to yield to 
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the capital, there were no bit 
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There were no police lines. 
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was not a single indication of 
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a restricted area. 
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well my turned my camera on on 
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exactly. 1918 the first thing 
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and police receiving first aid 
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captured. 
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in joined at that point and as 
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1252 when that first barricade 
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Edwards was pushed shoved over, 
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concrete step the protesters 
true First Blood, sorry to all 

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my friends and followers out 
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did but no that's not what 
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Protesters drew first blood. 
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And then, as we out, we know. 
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Now, even on the very first 
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that semi-permanent, black fence
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the inauguration protesters 
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there. 
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then the cops begin to respond 
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other types of less than lethal 
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And so, what ended up happening 
Was they were trying to press me

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to get me to acknowledge that. 
I knew that I was in a 

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restricted space and I would not
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And then when it came to the 
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filming the battle line. 
You now know that this is a 

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restricted area that you 
eventually went through. 

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I said yes, hope I said fully 
and which is why I never pressed

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the line. 
I mean, the only thing I ever 

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pressed was play a record on my 
camera. 

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You know, I never, I never did 
press the line. 

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I never pressed against any law 
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I never made any violent moves, 
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Anybody the entire time and I 
said to them, I said and you've 

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got me I know on a thousand 
other people's cameras. 

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So the questions you're asking 
me right now, you already know 

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the answers to and at that point
one of them even said to me. 

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Yes. 
And thank you for not doing any 

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violence against law enforcement
that day, that's on the record. 

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Assuming that doesn't get to 
lead it off the video if I ever 

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need it. 
So they actually thanked me for 

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not doing violence. 
And and so, but that you what 

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that's a that's a really weird 
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the possibility that you would. 
Well they certainly well. 

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Okay you and I both know how 
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been overcharged. 
They've been charged with 

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violence or at least aiding and 
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When they were 100 feet away. 
I interviewed a guy this 

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morning, that's exactly what 
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charges and he, he's the only 
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appeal, from the DC, Appellate 
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judge and made them. 
Let him out of jail. 

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After five and a half months, 
send him home. 

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And then his final sentencing is
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What do you call it? 
When they redo the charges. 

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Ah, superseding charges. 
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Super strong indictment in 
felonies down to two 

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misdemeanors, which is probably,
I mean, this was Ben, what's 

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that? 
That's where it should have 

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been. 
If it was, here's the thing, you

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drop it down to that, you might 
as well drop the damn thing in 

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federal. 
We just don't do that. 

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That's just not the way to die. 
I mean, the guy was the guy was 

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innocent because he was never 
more than 100 feet away from 

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what he was being charged with. 
And and there's impossible. 

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It's impossible that the agents 
that that brought this to the 

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whatever, our us attorney. 
They brought it to didn't know 

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that. 
Sure. 

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And so, what it, what was 
happening with me during this 

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interview is, I was there 
specifically under the 

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impression that they already 
knew everything that they needed

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to know. 
Anyway, the at the most videoed 

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event in the history, A of the 
world that they already knew 

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everything they needed to know, 
about me. 

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They had done my research on my 
background. 

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I had 25 years worth of writings
that they could extract and 

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learn everything about my 
mindset and who I am. 

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And they've already waived the 
ability to charge you with 

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anything you say. 
So, it shouldn't even have 

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mattered what you said at that 
point. 

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Yeah. 
Are you familiar with the 

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concept of parallel 
construction? 

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Yeah. 
Was that something that you were

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aware of the time that that you 
know, I didn't never crossed my 

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mind but I not know. 
Once but what? 

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But when they finally got to the
point of me, entering the 

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capital and they said, okay, 
well obviously you knew you were

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entering a restricted space at 
that point because you saw the 

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battle line, you saw them 
defending the building and now 

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you've gone in. 
You were violating the law at 

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that point and you knew you 
were. 

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I don't know, I wouldn't I leave
a why I said I saw the 

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stand-down order they like, they
looked at each other. 

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What are you talking about? 
I said there was a obvious Stand

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Down order. 
And and what makes you think 

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that? 
I said, well, the fact that I 

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saw it with my own eyes, number 
one, I said this hundred or so 

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officers that were on this line 
and this is exactly what I said.

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They didn't want to be there. 
They were getting the shit 

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kicked out of them. 
Yeah, I watched it. 

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I watched blood spill. 
I watched violent perpetrators 

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attack these guys and and they 
were happy there what they had 

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to say. 
Stand on that line for a solid 

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hour and take this abuse. 
And I told him, I said, hi, I 

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actually said this. 
I said, I saw what I consider to

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be lethal force, you to get some
of these officers. 

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The fact they didn't pull their 
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me. 
And they said what? 

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And it's exactly what AIDS the 
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agents said, he noise. 
He said, what were they supposed

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to just shoot them? 
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throwing Spears at him. 
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blood gushing out of his face so
that it No, I said, yeah, I 

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would have, you know, well, 
moreover that that actually fits

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the definition for federal law, 
enforcement's deadly, force 

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policy, which is imminent danger
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injury. 
I'd say Thrones Spears or a 

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large rock or any of these 
things have the potential of you

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know, when you see the antifa 
type throwing fireworks explode,

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and you can do real damage, you 
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serrated by those things if they
hold onto them, they lose hands 

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and things. 
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those are all deadly force 
things. 

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And as you say, a lot of 
restraint on behalf of The 

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Capitol Police on there who 
probably do them have the drink,

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they probably don't have the 
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riot. 
I'm just going, you know, that, 

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you know, that I've developed 
quite a few Capitol police 

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officers whistleblowers myself, 
okay. 

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And and that I'm in current 
contact contact with some that 

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have come out some that if not 
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discuss use of force training 
that they've had and that we can

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get into that more later because
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difference between the I think 
that's I think that's really 

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interesting. 
Only only because most people No

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idea what the standard is. 
No, they have no idea what the 

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training is, and that's very, 
very relevant to. 

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That's why I mean it's why I'm 
DC Metro does riots and why 

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federal troops do not federal 
officers, federal agents, do not

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do riots. 
It's not what we do. 

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We offered on that and I've been
a part of a lot of these things 

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I used to go to the State of the
Union. 

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Every year I've been to, you 
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parades the big rallies like 
there's a, there's actually a 

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protocol to handle this kind of 
stuff, it turns out. 

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And so, I'll be very interested 
to hear what your sources you've

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cultivated inside. 
There have said But you marched 

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in you saw Stand Down order, did
you tell us what the stand-down 

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order look like from your end? 
And why you interpreted that 

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way? 
It was because it wasn't an 

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obvious breach. 
It was there was a moment in 

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time where Suddenly at a section
and it wasn't it wasn't on the 

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main. 
You know, that semicircle West 

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Terrace battle line. 
That was held for about an hour 

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and a half or more actually more
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And it was it was the breach was
not there or the stand-down 

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wasn't there. 
Immediately, although I we going

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to love this is that during the 
oh Keepers trial, I signed the 

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court protective order. 
Allowing me to listen to the 

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capital police radio 
Transmissions. 

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Okay, I've listened to all the 
channels. 

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I've read the transcripts. 
I've had access. 

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You know, that, that mythical 
41,000 hours worth of video 

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tape. 
I've not seen it all because 

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nobody know, the one human can, 
but I've seen a lot of it, I 

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can't report on it, can't talk 
about it, except for that Those 

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portions that have been released
in trial, and as evidence. 

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But the point being is that 
Sure. 

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Enough there was a stand-down 
order there there and there it 

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happened at the moment that I 
saw it with my own eyes and I 

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didn't learn that, that, that 
was true until over a year. 

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After my, my FBI interview, and 
I was validated in what I saw 

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with my own eyes. 
But that's can you say where 

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that came from? 
Where that came from the 

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radiant? 
You heard it over the radio? 

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Is that yours? 
Okay. 

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Heard it from the United States 
Capitol police, radio 

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Transmissions. 
Okay, what kind of wording was 

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it out of curiosity? 
If you're able to kind of 

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roughly approximate the, the The
Capitol Police office for 

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lieutenant. 
Tariq Johnson familiar. 

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With was thankfully one? 
Where the, where the red Maga 

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hat? 
Yep. 

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Well, he's known for that, 
Infamous for that, disciplined 

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by his own department, for that 
suspended for that. 

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Here's your suspended. 
All right, there he is and I've 

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been in contact with them we're 
going to have them on at some 

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point to. 
So enjoy working out the time. 

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He seems like a really nice guy.
Yeah. 

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So he was, he was the first guy 
that I worked closely with, and 

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throughout this entire process. 
Well, so that part is what he's 

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known for. 
But more importantly, he was the

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hero of the day, which is why he
was disciplined. 

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He wasn't disciplined for the 
red Maca hat. 

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He was disciplined because he 
took initiative and did things 

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actually, saying over the radio,
I'll take the 550 in the 534 

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which were the disciplinary 
codes for the Capitol Police 

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Department, as he began the 
process of initiating, the 

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evacuation of the Senate 
chambers because as he had spent

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several minutes ass. 
Asking for permission from 

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assistant chief, Yogananda 
Pittman up in the command center

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and total silence total 
stonewalling, even with the 

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operator, the dispatcher 
repeating his request for 

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permission repeating. 
His request for direction for 

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orders and he just said screw 
it, I'll do it myself and he's a

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lieutenant. 
So he's not like he's not like a

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guy who's on the street. 
He's not a private there or some

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low-level, dude. 
I mean, he's one of the senior 

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guys, on the Chain-of-command 
there for that moment, he wasn't

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command-level officer-in-charge 
that day of the Interior 

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security of the building. 
So he said, I'm just going to 

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paraphrase that again. 
But he said, I'll take the 

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disciplinary forms that are 
going to come up because 

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obviously there's going to be 
some for him, usurping command, 

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and I'm taking the call and I'm 
making the call that we have to 

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stand down out of probably, I 
would say, officer safety 

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considerations based on what you
were sympathetic and I'm looking

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forward to ask him about that as
well. 

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But he said those things took it
on his own and then did the 

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right thing and step people 
back. 

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So that you could avoid having 
people hit in the face with a 

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spear and not be able to shoot 
him. 

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So he had he issued a it was a 
sequence of commands over 

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Capital police radio. 
The first thing he did is he had

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the M4 officers withdraw and 
come inside the building, okay? 

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You wanted every officer that 
was carrying an automatic rifle 

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to get inside the building 
because he had determined that 

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they could not risk. 
Those weapons falling into the 

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hands of the protesters so 
everybody inside. 

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So he ordered That was his first
pullback order was. 

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He ordered him for Zen and then 
eventually there was an order 

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for the entire force to come. 
And they did, they actually, or 

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it was just before 2:00, they 
ordered the entire us, CP, Force

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to come into the building. 
They were going to leave Metro 

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outside and they were going to 
come in to defend the capital 

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because they felt like at that 
moment that the breach was 

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imminent. 
And so he ordered them in now, 

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ironically. 
Most of them didn't respond, 

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they couldn't hear the radios. 
Sure, the crowd noise outside 

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was, you know, deafening with 
the singing, the chanting and 

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all that. 
They other officers that I've 

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interviewed even CDU units, a 
hard units that were on the 

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front line of the Capitol Police
that that are still with the 

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force today. 
So they're Anonymous sources. 

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But the point being is, is they 
told me flat out? 

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No, we could, we couldn't hear 
our radios at also. 

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The when we got the withdrawal 
orders at the times, it came in 

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and there was multiple 
Succession of them, we never 

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heard them. 
That's why they stayed out on 

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the line the entire time. 
And so what, what ended up 

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happening though is that there 
was an obvious pull back up top.

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So the guys that were away from 
the away from the crowd noise 

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that were up top to finding the 
top of underneath the all the 

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scaffolding, you know, where 
they had the tarps around the 

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scaffolding that was being 
pulled off and there was a 

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battle going on. 
That's where that's where it 

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looked like. 
Like, you know, some medieval 

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warfare types, shit? 
Yeah. 

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Like people trying to get over a
wall, right? 

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Right, right. 
And, and what ended up 

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happening, is those guys up 
there, heard the stand-down 

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order, they weren't, we're all 
the noise was right. 

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That's exactly what they did. 
It wasn't a true stand down. 

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It was a pullback order is what 
it was. 

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And so all of a sudden In This 
Moment In Time there just was 

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this free flow of humanity up 
those steps towards the 

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Northwest Senate side door. 
That was ultimately breached up 

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there and when I got to the top 
and I started Wheeling my camera

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around up there, you see dozens 
of police officers just standing

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around. 
Some of them are on their phone.

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I assumed that they were texting
their wife to and I'm okay. 

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And in fact, a lot of that was 
happening. 

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Sure, understandably. 
So, because their families were 

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seeing it on television back 
home. 

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And they were just standing in 
groups, chatting talking on 

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their phones, that sort of thing
as people were just now. 

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Say, I never saw the breach of 
that Northwest Door that was, 

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well, ahead of before I got up 
there, hundreds of people had 

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moved up there before I ever 
made it into that. 

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You know, that pack of humanity 
that was going up. 

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And so now, we're back to the 
FBI interview. 

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And so that's why I never 
yielded that well, then they 

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said, well, then you entered a 
door, you obviously knew that 

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was a restricted space. 
I said it's a guys. 

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I've got it on my camera. 
Cops are standing around 

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issuing. 
No orders. 

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They're not, there's, there's 
nobody saying to this crowd. 

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You can't go in there in any 
manner. 

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Whatsoever said, they're 
standing around on their phones 

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and chatting and groups, but, 
you know, balder. 

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Yeah. 
What do you know about the doors

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being opened or whether they 
were already? 

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How do those things open up? 
Because we know they had mad 

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Glocks. 
That's been a big thing of 

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contention I believe. 
Yeah that that that door was 

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allegedly the first door that 
was breached and and I have 

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other information directly from 
the CP that, in fact, there was 

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another breach before the before
the one that the world knows 

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about okay. 
The one the official breach that

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happened at 2:13 when the first 
guy came through the window. 

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So when it first couple guys 
came through the window, one of 

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them went over to the door, he 
hit the door that then trigger 

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gets got a MAG lock on it, but 
it triggers a 15-second delay. 

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It sets off an alarm like a fire
alarm and then 15 seconds later 

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after depression. 
It then releases by. 

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And that's true of all the 
interior doors, just for crowd 

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control, or for for, you know, 
fire code. 

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I'm sure for emergent. 
It's actually in the DC fire 

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code. 
That's, that's the way the doors

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there were checks out. 
I mean, you've seen the videos 

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of it and it's like, yeah, 
that's probably makes sense to 

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me that they would have to be 
able to open from the inside. 

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I've never heard of any, there's
no there's no conspiracy there. 

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Ya know, but nobody was secretly
ordering, the magnetic locks to 

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be Unleashed. 
Sure that mean that makes far 

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more sense and it makes, you 
know, I always tell people that,

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you know, the truth is almost 
always something much more 

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foolish and silly and probably 
some government process to cut. 

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But in there, which is that you 
can't have interior doors lock, 

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you can't lock people in the 
building, you have to let him 

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out. 
So, yeah, so we as famous CCTV 

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of that breach, that happens 
that we seen it from the inside,

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we've seen it from some of the 
independent journalists that 

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were there on the outside, 
capturing that it's that event. 

452
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:39,200
And of course, that's where the 
Q&A on Shaman came through. 

453
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,700
He was one of the first God, 
Probably first 20 people that 

454
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:44,300
came through the door, so he was
closed. 

455
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:46,500
He didn't participate, but he 
was dang. 

456
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:48,200
Close to what was happening 
right there. 

457
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,400
He certainly, he certainly 
witnessed the violent breaching 

458
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:58,500
of that window and doorway, but 
he did not participate himself. 

459
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,600
And as I said, I was several 
hundred people behind that, 

460
00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:05,300
that, but I, but it was that 
door that I eventually walk 

461
00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,700
through and, and then of course,
the rest of the rest of the FBI 

462
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:13,000
interview proceeded, as you as 
you Might imagine it would. 

463
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,800
And we it was, as I said it, 
they weren't playing bad cop, 

464
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,900
you know, good cop kind of games
on me. 

465
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,700
Just one guy was much more 
serious. 

466
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:27,100
One guy was obviously didn't 
want to be there and and on 

467
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:30,200
occasion the other. 
The, the serious guy would get a

468
00:23:30,208 --> 00:23:33,200
little irritated with me as I 
would press and I would ask them

469
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,000
questions as well. 
And then what ended up happening

470
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,700
that one point I said, I said, 
look, guys, I said, do you just 

471
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:43,900
want me to tell you what I 
thought about what happened that

472
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:46,200
day? 
And in the the irritated guy, he

473
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:47,200
agent noise. 
He just goes. 

474
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,600
He throws his hands up. 
Yeah, go ahead. 

475
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,100
He says you're gonna talk 
anyway. 

476
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,700
It says it's so weird that 
people have emotions about these

477
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:56,400
kind of things. 
And I've done a fair number of 

478
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,200
interviews. 
I can never remember, like, 

479
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,500
carrying one way or another. 
Like, I want to talk to the 

480
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:02,400
person. 
I'm a human being, but the fact 

481
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,300
that he's emotionally invested, 
this is really strange to me. 

482
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,900
I think that's actually one of 
the more important details of 

483
00:24:05,908 --> 00:24:07,200
what you're sharing is probably 
not. 

484
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:08,300
Do you think is the most 
important? 

485
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,300
But to me, that's so strange. 
It's so strange that somebody 

486
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:14,100
like, what is his interest in it
other than what you say like you

487
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:15,700
just say what you say. 
That's all you do. 

488
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,900
Who cares? 
Oh, you know, there was no 

489
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:22,500
stereotypical G-Man Behavior out
of him whatsoever, okay? 

490
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:24,700
So this guy emotionally agrees 
for you to say, whatever, you're

491
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:26,000
going to say because you're 
going to do it anyway. 

492
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,500
So yeah, but what exactly is it?
So what you give, go ahead. 

493
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,600
So I told him my whole Theory 
because now I've had eight 

494
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,400
months to develop a theory, 
entire coil, as October's, I've 

495
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,200
had nine ten, Now to develop my 
theory about what happened 

496
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,400
today, so, I threw the whole 
thing out at him. 

497
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,200
I said, I said the entire 
operation was rope-a-dope. 

498
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,100
I'm saying I'm not saying that 
it was planned by any one, group

499
00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:50,900
agency person whatsoever. 
I said, but whoever was up in 

500
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:53,600
the command center that day, 
whoever had eyeballs on the 

501
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,700
entire thing because there was, 
you know, 1200 cameras there and

502
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:59,700
the command center has access to
all of those. 

503
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,600
They knew what was going on. 
I had not even heard. 

504
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,800
The the radio Transmissions at 
this point I didn't I didn't get

505
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,300
access those to those three. 
A year later. 

506
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,600
And but I know what I knew at 
the time and I know what I said 

507
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,200
scene. 
And I said somebody allowed it 

508
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,900
to take place and as it goes 
said, I said it was a Rope, A 

509
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:20,400
Dope. 
They, it was like, let him in 

510
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,500
here. 
Okay. 

511
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,700
Oh, oh good, they don't have any
guns, let him in here, let him 

512
00:25:26,708 --> 00:25:29,600
in the next level. 
Let them battle there for an 

513
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,600
hour, okay? 
They don't have guns, let them 

514
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:38,500
in the door. 
And then the narrative was 

515
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:42,800
captured and it was one. 
And it was the biggest political

516
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,300
narrative, this Victory, I 
think, in our nation's history, 

517
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,800
I've exactly, you know, I'm a 
history buff, but I've gone back

518
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,600
through my memories and my the 
reading that I've done the study

519
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,000
that I've done. 
Certainly the largest political 

520
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,200
narrative victory in my 
lifetime, at least in the last 

521
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600
hundred years. 
I can't think of one that was 

522
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,100
Smore. 
Only one that day and it was 

523
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,600
whether it was planned or 
allowed. 

524
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:18,300
It was a resounding victory for 
that person. 

525
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:22,200
Nancy Pelosi who said and the 
one-year anniversary of the 

526
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,700
event at the commemorative 
events that she planned on the 

527
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,700
first anniversary. 
She said that the intention of 

528
00:26:28,708 --> 00:26:32,700
these commemorative events were 
to establish and preserve The 

529
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:36,100
Narrative of January 6th, quote 
unquote. 

530
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:37,700
Out dead on. 
Google it. 

531
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:42,100
Yeah, that's really gross. 
Say, I want you to say it one 

532
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:45,100
more time. 
The your working Theory because 

533
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,100
I don't know that I've ever 
have. 

534
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,600
You heard anyone else articulate
it that way. 

535
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,900
No because I haven't either and 
I'm I'm not someone who was 

536
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,000
there. 
I was in d.c. area at the time. 

537
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,100
I was assigned to Washington 
field at the time but I got no I

538
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:03,900
got no dog in the in the race 
and this one and I think it's a 

539
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:07,100
it's a very interesting way of 
explaining it. 

540
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,400
You think that they essentially 
Vetted the crowd at each of the 

541
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,100
stages. 
Let him Tire himself out. 

542
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,000
Rope-a-dope is a boxing term for
people that that are not my. 

543
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,800
I don't know what my listening 
audience look like it. 

544
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,000
You've never seen boxing you let
somebody Tire themselves out by 

545
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,700
throwing punches and you think 
they let them Tire themselves 

546
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,900
out in tears and tiered stages 
as they let them slowly and as 

547
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,700
they were able to pull the 
protectees out, right? 

548
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,500
Because the we know the Senate 
was evacuated. 

549
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,500
We know the the Congress was 
backing it so they were all out.

550
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,000
It's just a building at this 
point. 

551
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600
And you think they tired, 
himself out at each tier and 

552
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,800
vetted the basically the level 
of violence that the crowd 

553
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,200
wouldn't engage in until they 
eventually and pulled back to 

554
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,000
just more and more and 
eventually let him through the 

555
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,100
building. 
I absolutely, I am convinced 

556
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:51,900
that once that it was determined
by the eyes in the sky that this

557
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:57,600
crowd was not going to brandish 
firearms and their efforts that 

558
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,900
and that's why I've said from 
day one, I said it on the first 

559
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:05,600
night I said, sticks. 
Flag poles and bear spray does 

560
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,700
not an Insurrection make. 
I agree with you and this was 

561
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,700
something else and again whether
it was whether there were crowd 

562
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,100
control provoked, professional 
provocateurs, who manipulated 

563
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:23,000
movements that day or not. 
It was allowed to transpire, it 

564
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,100
was allowed to develop, it was 
allowed to take place. 

565
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,700
And then once they realized that
everybody was going to be okay, 

566
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,100
this is the word, you know, that
we're going to let em in, 

567
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:37,100
although I did right in my 
second story, that came out, 

568
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:42,200
February 24th that I deemed the 
Capitol Police to be sacrificial

569
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,400
pawns. 
That day that they were the 

570
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,800
front line. 
And if anybody was going to take

571
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,400
that first volley of shots had 
those, you know, Bubba's The 

572
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,300
South has Maga guys come in with
their concealed weapons. 

573
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,200
That the capital police were 
there to take the first shots 

574
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,900
and the officer said, your you 
saying that they were willing to

575
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:05,100
sacrifice our, the FBI you're 
telling me that they set this, 

576
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:09,000
those those guys up to be shot. 
I said, yes, absolutely. 

577
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,600
What do you think the lieutenant
Johnson have similar that he 

578
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,800
helped you kind of craft any 
that thoughts or the way that 

579
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,300
his experience kind of played 
out to that change or my I 

580
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:23,400
didn't meet off Sir, Johnson 
Tool over a year after my FBI 

581
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400
interview, but he validated my 
theories. 

582
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,400
In fact, the very first personal
meeting I had with him, sitting 

583
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,500
at the table with him. 
I said these words, I said said 

584
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:39,000
to him, I said my second article
seems Tarik because B EK, I 

585
00:29:39,008 --> 00:29:43,100
said, TK my second article, I 
actually said that you guys from

586
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,100
what I saw were sacrificial 
pawns that day and he leaned 

587
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,900
over and put his hand in my face
and he said that's exactly 

588
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:50,900
right. 
They didn't give a shit. 

589
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,700
What Happened to us that day, 
right? 

590
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Welcome quote. 
Are you familiar with the 

591
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,900
concept of a national special 
security event? 

592
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:00,500
Have you ever heard of those in 
your kind of? 

593
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,600
No not not specific. 
Maybe I know the concept and 

594
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,100
don't know it by title. 
So they do this every year for 

595
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,800
the State of the Union, they do 
this every year for the big 

596
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,600
stuff, they've done it for some 
protests. 

597
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,100
There's actually a step down 
version of it. 

598
00:30:11,108 --> 00:30:13,400
That's a little bit more 
imminent where an event looks 

599
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,900
like it's going to go big but 
it's a it's a national 

600
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,500
coordination that happens from 
DHS from Secret Service is 

601
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,800
actually the primary agency 
because you chain of command. 

602
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,800
You got a Name somebody. 
So they named secret service has

603
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,800
responsibilities, and they 
coordinate FBI officer FBI, 

604
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,500
agents, and security assets, 
which are going to be in the 

605
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,200
building they coordinate Park. 
Police as you accurately 

606
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000
mentioned earlier would be one 
of the people you'd see on the 

607
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,800
mall because they're responsible
for the National Mall. 

608
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,500
You'd see the helicopter up. 
You'd see the department of 

609
00:30:39,508 --> 00:30:42,600
energy doing sweeps for dirty 
bombs and you see Capitol Police

610
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,200
defending the capital, you know,
setting up for physical security

611
00:30:45,208 --> 00:30:48,900
and you'd see DC Metro handling 
Riot and crowd control, and, and

612
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,200
routes, really Ingress, and 
egress shutting off streets. 

613
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,000
Needed and everybody kind of 
goes through a Central Command 

614
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,300
Center every individual agency 
gets their own Command Center. 

615
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,400
But the Secret Service holds a 
joint Command Center where all 

616
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,800
the leaders from all those, 
different entities, mentioned, 

617
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,300
and more are all together, and 
they quarterback, how to make 

618
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,700
sure that things get done. 
So people can have their first 

619
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,500
amendment protected activities, 
whatever they are without 

620
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:14,100
violence without danger without 
terrorist activities and so on 

621
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,400
and and the FBI's job is usually
in a low visibility or 

622
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,100
undercover type role walking 
around and kind of Confronting 

623
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,800
people that are pushing the 
envelope to keep things under 

624
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,100
control. 
We do it every year for for all 

625
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,100
the inaugurations, like I said, 
state of the unions and some 

626
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,600
other big events as well. 
And for whatever reason, the 

627
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,900
January 6 2021 was not an nsse 
nor was it one of the other sort

628
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,200
of step down tears, which are 
just other special security 

629
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400
events where this kind of 
coordination would happen. 

630
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:45,800
When I talked to TK for just a 
brief minute, he said we were on

631
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,900
a skeleton crew that day. 
Yeah and and it sounds like did 

632
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,500
you witness like they had 
Officers even handle the lines 

633
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,100
they were on or was this you 
call them sacrificial Lambs that

634
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,000
so that doesn't sound like 
something that goes back to my 

635
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,600
very first story because I as I 
said, my first story was just 

636
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,600
what I saw. 
And one of the things that I did

637
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,700
not see that day was adequate 
police protection, and it made 

638
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,300
no sense to me whatsoever. 
It was one of the most Stark 

639
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,200
things that I remembered and 
then of course as I didn't went 

640
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,700
back through so many many 
different times over my videos 

641
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,600
and I'm looking for evidence of 
police presence, even all the 

642
00:32:18,608 --> 00:32:21,600
way back to the Washington 
Monument and then the the Fire 

643
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,600
walk back towards the capitol. 
It just didn't exist and that 

644
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,900
made no sense to me. 
And then, when I get to the 

645
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,900
capital, I actually, this is 
exactly what I said. 

646
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:34,300
I wrote this. 
I said, I personally, estimated 

647
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:39,300
less than 200 Capital. 
Nadia, I wasn't adding Metro in,

648
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,000
but II, just amazed that there 
were less than 200 available 

649
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,700
Capital police officers during 
the heat of the, you know, the 

650
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,200
the shitstorm that was going on 
in the wetsuit West Side there. 

651
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,400
Yeah, the Frat. 
And so and but see in that 

652
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,600
estimate, that's not what I saw.
I then just doubled it because I

653
00:32:57,608 --> 00:32:59,900
didn't know what was going on on
the east side and I said, okay, 

654
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,600
you know, that they would 
probably have equal distribution

655
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,900
of forces on both sides. 
So because I saw less than 100 

656
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:10,200
US Capitol Police on that side. 
And then in my first interview 

657
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,200
with TK, he told me, he said, 
when he got to work, he felt 

658
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,300
like that. 
The number that were actually 

659
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:19,400
available to him, was about 120 
officers. 

660
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Now this Was on a day in a 
circumstance when, under normal 

661
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,800
circumstances, either by the 
description you gave a while 

662
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,100
ago, that they would have been 
all hands on deck. 

663
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,000
Yeah. 
And that's how those things 

664
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,400
work, right? 
So they canceled leave as you 

665
00:33:36,408 --> 00:33:38,800
can imagine. 
They put everybody that's on a 

666
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,000
specialty team on standby during
the Fourth of July parades, 

667
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,400
you'll find this kind of funny. 
I probably they actually take 

668
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,500
the FBI's evidence dive team and
they put them on their boats and

669
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:49,700
they run up and down the Potomac
and they look underneath all the

670
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:51,000
bridges which you know there's 
Bridges going. 

671
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,800
To d.c. 
Irv on certain areas. 

672
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400
So they run up and down to do 
that and you know the Coast 

673
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,500
Guard's up there doing their 
thing. 

674
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,900
Like everybody is involved and 
if you're not involved you're in

675
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,500
a standby posture to run down 
actual threats and leads as 

676
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,300
needed because just because you 
have a security person, you 

677
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,400
know, posture doesn't mean that 
you don't have investigations 

678
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,000
have to follow on. 
So the investigators are 

679
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,400
actually standing by as well. 
This is standard. 

680
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,199
And I've seen that for the 
beginning. 

681
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,100
I've always thought that was the
strangest thing that they didn't

682
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,199
do that to us. 
Because I would have been 

683
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,600
assigned to a A standby 
investigative role if that had 

684
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,300
happened and it didn't happen. 
Yeah, well, I've done three 

685
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,500
parts of my Capital police 
series. 

686
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:35,400
Now, part 1, 2 & 3 are dealing 
with a lot of what we talk about

687
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,500
when I reference the Capitol 
Police, and especially a lot of 

688
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:41,600
that is based on the 
corroborative interviews. 

689
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,300
I've done from TK and then the 
other unnamed sources that I've 

690
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,600
developed inside the Capitol 
Police Force. 

691
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:55,100
But the most Stark and obvious 
problem of the day, which takes 

692
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,900
us. 
Now, we have to shift back more 

693
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,500
towards the conspiratorial side 
rather than this was always 

694
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,800
going to happen. 
So we might as well do it. 

695
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,100
We don't, we don't have any 
choice, but to examine the fact 

696
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:10,800
and this is a fact, not only 
were they under deployed that 

697
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,000
day purposefully, so by my 
estimation and by all evidence 

698
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,500
as it presents itself, but the 
fact that the capital police 

699
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,800
themselves had issued, 88 
demonstration protest event 

700
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,900
permits on the grounds that day 
and they were yet not properly 

701
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:34,400
prepared. 
That's first clue, second, clue 

702
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,200
that there was something else 
up. 

703
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,300
Something else going down? 
Was that the officers? 

704
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,900
As who had they have testified, 
in the various trials, have said

705
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,100
we showed up for work that day 
thinking, it was just another 

706
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,400
day at the office. 
Yeah, officers who testified in 

707
00:35:49,408 --> 00:35:52,300
these major trials have On the 
stand. 

708
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,800
No, we had. 
No, we were not. 

709
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,500
We're not briefed at all on 
protest events on the capital 

710
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:00,800
ons, comma, Capital Lon our 
grounds. 

711
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,100
We were not brief that. 
There was going to be a stage 

712
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,800
that there was going to be 
Congress members. 

713
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaking on the capitol grounds 
that afternoon, never briefed in

714
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,500
their morning, roll call 
briefings of that one officer. 

715
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,200
I remember his name, Brian 
sarki. 

716
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,400
He was on the east side, he 
valiantly bravely heroically 

717
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,900
took and stood at that door and 
took a beating and just 

718
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,000
mercilessly sprayed by all types
of OC sprays and chemicals for 

719
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,100
about an hour and never left his
post, where other guys were 

720
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:40,700
running away, he stood and took 
the whole on slide himself and 

721
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,800
he testified in the first 
oathkeepers trial and they under

722
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,100
cross-examination, they asked 
him what he knew what was going 

723
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,500
on in d.c. that day. 
He said, the only thing I knew 

724
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,900
is that something was happening 
The White House. 

725
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,100
How's that for? 
That's that Kyle. 

726
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,300
That's not an intelligence 
failure. 

727
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,600
No, I agree with you. 
Yeah. 

728
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,700
And and, and just a few 8 
permit. 

729
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,300
Exactly. 
That's, that's the big 

730
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:06,800
difference. 
Yeah, there's a Miss, then, you 

731
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800
got a staff for eight events 
that are happening 

732
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,300
simultaneously and you got to 
put people out for that. 

733
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:13,300
So that's always been one of the
things that's been confused at 

734
00:37:13,308 --> 00:37:15,600
the more I learned about the 
fact that that was going on. 

735
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,700
There's just obvious questions 
you have when you're involved in

736
00:37:18,707 --> 00:37:20,100
that type of work. 
It's like okay. 

737
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:21,900
Well how many people you're 
expecting at the event? 

738
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,300
That's the next question. 
And and then, what is the 

739
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,400
security posture look like? 
And how far from the building is

740
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,300
going to be or what? 
You know, that's what physical 

741
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:30,400
security does. 
And Capitol Police is actually 

742
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,300
pretty good at doing physical 
security. 

743
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,300
I don't know that they're a 
great investigative Force. 

744
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,200
I have no idea whether they're a
good, you know, principal 

745
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800
protection Force. 
That's not, that's not their 

746
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,700
thing. 
They do physical security for a 

747
00:37:40,707 --> 00:37:43,900
building and they do it well, 
because I stayed up and, you 

748
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:48,300
know, and I'm never, I never say
this derogatorily when I say 

749
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:53,000
this, but even if it doesn't 
matter if you're a hard that 

750
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,200
guy, if you're an investigative 
guy, if you're a special agent 

751
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,400
of the United States Capitol 
Police, Ninety-nine percent of 

752
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,200
their career time on duty as a 
glorified tour guide. 

753
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:07,600
Now, or security guard, just 
standing still. 

754
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,900
I mean, I'm mostly just it's 
not, it's not the most violent 

755
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,600
place in Washington and that's 
why that's why the posture was 

756
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,200
totally different from MPD. 
When they showed up, when they 

757
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,300
showed up, they were ready to 
bust heads. 

758
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,200
Because that's what we do, that 
is what they do. 

759
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,600
And they're really good at it. 
By the way, I mean, I've seen 

760
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,300
him on two different 
inaugurations handle business. 

761
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,700
They're not my favorite police 
force, not by a long shot. 

762
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,000
I think that they hire people 
with felonies, which is really 

763
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,800
bizarre. 
Do most people, you know, they 

764
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,500
have a serious corruption issue,
and they've got a serious Force 

765
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,700
issue. 
But that's not to say that there

766
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:38,700
are not some really, really 
Valiant people that stay on the 

767
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,800
front lines and take a beating 
and and deliver a beating and 

768
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,300
stop people from from infringing
on other people's rights, which 

769
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:46,800
is what they do. 
They're very good at it, they're

770
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,500
very good at crowd control and 
they're highly affected their 

771
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:51,800
trained all the time because 
they get used all the time. 

772
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,300
They've got a lot of experience 
in that. 

773
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,500
So that's, that's interesting to
me, all right. 

774
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,200
How many theories do you have 
on? 

775
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,200
What do you think, went down? 
If we're going to get because we

776
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,500
will step in a conspiracy a 
little bit. 

777
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,300
We could just say this is 
specular from here on out and I 

778
00:39:02,308 --> 00:39:04,400
think that's very respectable 
and there's no reason I don't 

779
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,600
have a Smoking Gun yet more 
importantly though because we 

780
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,700
haven't been given access to as 
a public. 

781
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,900
And I think I heard you saying 
this on either your podcast or 

782
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:14,100
of this might have been on. 
You said on Tucker. 

783
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:16,400
Maybe both you said that, you 
believe these foot this footage 

784
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,300
should be released the American 
people because it's paid for by 

785
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,000
the American people. 
I feel the same way. 

786
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,900
This is America's information. 
I feel the same way about 

787
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,700
information about the FBI, by 
the way, it's like radical 

788
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,900
transparency in sunlight will 
disinfect all the ill and we can

789
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,000
clean it up from there. 
But only, if we all know the 

790
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
facts and we can all agree on 
like this is what happened. 

791
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,000
This is why. 
So in the absence of that, which

792
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,100
we are in the absence of maybe 
top to top three, kind of 

793
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:42,800
theories on what you think 
happened in reverse order, 

794
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,800
what's the least likely thing 
that happened kind of moving 

795
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,300
towards what you think the most 
likely and you can be as vague 

796
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:49,900
or broad as you like or 
specific. 

797
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:52,500
If you have really Lee concrete 
ideas because you've seen other 

798
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:56,600
than I have, I think the least 
likely thing is that there was 

799
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,100
some coordination between a 
disparate group of entities, you

800
00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:03,900
know, about a group of three 
percent etre. 

801
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:07,200
Three percenters working with 
antibody working with the feds 

802
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,700
working with the, you know, 
whoever else to create these 

803
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,200
little pockets and scenarios of 
crowd militant manipulation and 

804
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,100
control. 
And and as I'm sure you're aware

805
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:22,100
are aware those. 
Types of things happen, and they

806
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:26,200
are as old as Warfare itself. 
You can move crowds with just a 

807
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200
few violent people. 
And you can, you can inflict. 

808
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,900
Well, you can start wars at last
four years with just a handful 

809
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:37,000
of people, and you can certainly
move crowds on site, where one 

810
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,300
is a pretty good example of 
turns out. 

811
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,200
So yeah, I agree with you. 
What's that? 

812
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,900
I said, World War one is a great
example that just one guy and 

813
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,100
one guy and you got a whole 
world at war. 

814
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,500
So, okay. 
So least likely is mass 

815
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,100
cooperation by a bunch of 
different disparate entities. 

816
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:52,000
Getting involved. 
I think that's probably Fair. 

817
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:58,600
What about sort of mid-level 
mid-level would be and I am very

818
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,600
open to this mid-level idea is 
that because of what I know 

819
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,900
about the lack of until 
preparation and sharing of what 

820
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:13,400
was known by the FBI that day 
and what was known by other 

821
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,600
groups that day and of what was 
deliberately. 

822
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,000
And I sit when I say this, I 
say, was deliberately not shared

823
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,700
with the The Frontline 
uniformed, officers of the 

824
00:41:22,707 --> 00:41:24,300
United States Capitol Police 
that day. 

825
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:29,700
And I have this direct testimony
from their mouth to my ears and 

826
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,200
of not only what was not shared 
with them. 

827
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,900
But what was then hidden after 
the fact And because I know that

828
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:45,700
I'm open to this mid-level idea 
that somebody up the chain. 

829
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:56,900
Worked with the Capitol Police. 
Specifically are Okay, you want 

830
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:58,700
me to just say I'll do you like 
way up? 

831
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,400
Yeah. 
You want me to just say I want 

832
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,800
you to see this is opinion. 
So you can say any pinion you 

833
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,300
have and I am very strong 
believer in the First Amendment.

834
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:09,700
So if yeah you got I just want 
you to lose your G-Man position 

835
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,900
and throw throw up your hands, I
can't do. 

836
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,000
It does not my thing, but yeah, 
but but I think there's a, 

837
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,100
there's some wild conspiracies, 
and then there's some like 

838
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,100
pretty grounded conspiracies 
that make a lot more sense. 

839
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:23,100
So, you know, you're in the 
middle level right now, I 

840
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:24,800
believe that assistant, chief 
Chief. 

841
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,000
Yogananda Pittman, who was head 
of a capital police 

842
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,300
intelligence? 
Yeah, who is sitting in the 

843
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,200
chair in the control room that 
day? 

844
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:39,100
Had somebody above her directing
her to allow what took place 

845
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,800
that day to go forward as it 
developed. 

846
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:48,600
As I said, the rope-a-dope 
operation, I believe that it was

847
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:54,200
a Complicit. 
Plan between her and somebody 

848
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,300
above her. 
That in case this developed in 

849
00:42:57,308 --> 00:43:01,400
that way and we're going to set 
it up this way so that we're not

850
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:05,800
properly staffed knowing that 
thousands of people were going 

851
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,200
to be moving towards the capitol
that day. 

852
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000
And just in case it does get out
of hand. 

853
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,800
Let's call Fort Belvoir. 
And have them there. 

854
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,800
Let's have US, Marshals 
embedded. 

855
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:23,900
Let's have some other agencies 
embedded in the crowd, 

856
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,100
contingency plans, various 
things, not to be provocateurs 

857
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:32,200
themselves. 
But just in case it gets out of 

858
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,700
hand will have people in the 
crowd to take care of business, 

859
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,000
okay? 
And I think that, that is what 

860
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,700
happened that day. 
So of that of, that sort of 

861
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:49,600
analysis, the only really 
nefarious part of that is the 

862
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,700
poor Staffing on intentionally 
because everything else would 

863
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:54,600
sort of fall in line if you 
didn't have enough people. 

864
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,300
And you let's say, we didn't 
know that. 

865
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:57,500
That was the case. 
It just happened. 

866
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,800
That the event happened. 
Organically, nobody could. 

867
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:03,000
Predicted this number of the 
people in the crowd, we're just 

868
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,600
gonna have to, you know, 
eliminate the fact that we know 

869
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,100
that that wasn't the case 
because of all the permits. 

870
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:09,200
But if that was the case and you
had a massive crowd that you 

871
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,400
weren't prepared for the 
rope-a-dope is a really smart 

872
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,300
move tactically. 
You're going to wear them out, 

873
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,300
you're going to vet them as they
come in, you're going to move 

874
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,000
them in closer and closer and 
eventually going to get what 

875
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,100
they want. 
Once you've protected, the 

876
00:44:18,107 --> 00:44:20,400
things you're responsible for 
protecting, so that's actually 

877
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,800
not a bad, you know, in the 
field tactical level awareness 

878
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:27,900
but on a strategic level, it's 
much more nefarious when you 

879
00:44:27,908 --> 00:44:29,700
talk about setting those people 
up. 

880
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,700
For that failure because your 
Frontline officers are going to 

881
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:34,300
do the best they can. 
Your intermediate supervisors 

882
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,900
liked, Eric are going to have to
do what they've got to do, which

883
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,500
is to keep protect officer 
safety and also the assets that 

884
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,800
they're sworn to protect. 
So that's not a bad move like 

885
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,100
they're doing the best thing as 
possible and really that comes 

886
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:50,300
down to a very, very nasty 
potential nefarious action. 

887
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:54,500
The the real malfeasance is 
setting that failure up. 

888
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:57,100
The inevitable failure up which 
I think is what a lot of people 

889
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,400
are landing on right now. 
I think that To pick it up. 

890
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,400
It's a tight analysis of it, but
so many people are coming to it.

891
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,700
It's like where did it fail? 
Your happen. 

892
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:06,400
The failure happened in 
Staffing. 

893
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,400
And so, then the question 
becomes was, it was it 

894
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,100
malfeasant comforter for 
incompetence, right, correct. 

895
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:16,300
Right. 
And that's that's, and here's 

896
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:20,000
the thing, either way, that is, 
that is a absolutely destructive

897
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,200
thing. 
That should be enough to end a 

898
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,000
career. 
And not get you put in charge of

899
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600
the Berkeley Police Department 
at a triple salary. 

900
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:29,600
Bingo, that here. 
That's when you get the next 

901
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,400
level, right? 
I always default towards 

902
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,300
government. 
Incompetence first before I go, 

903
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,400
before I put on my tinfoil hat. 
Yep, because that's always the 

904
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,200
most likely scenario. 
It's still. 

905
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,500
Here's the other thing, though. 
Even in your analysis though, 

906
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,700
that could still be the 
possibility because whether you 

907
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,500
set it up on purpose to be 
incompetent, or you or, you 

908
00:45:51,508 --> 00:45:54,300
know, to have this sort of 
malfeasance or whether you were 

909
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:57,400
incompetent, the way it played 
out, played really nicely into 

910
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,500
one set of hands and rewarding 
people for something that worked

911
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,100
out in their favor. 
Just a dumb luck is still well 

912
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,500
within the Playbook of all, 
government entities, and 

913
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,700
especially corrupt ones. 
It's like, well, now you got to 

914
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:09,900
keep your mouth shut and you're 
never going to identify what 

915
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,500
happened, because we have a 
narrative, we're going to keep 

916
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,000
it and you're going to get paid 
off to do it and house triple. 

917
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,900
Your salary sound at this is 
cush gig in Berkeley where 

918
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,900
you've never lived, and you have
no connection to accept that, 

919
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,000
it's just outside of Nancy 
Pelosi, except that it's just 

920
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,200
outside. 
The former speaker space, it 

921
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,300
turns out. 
So those kind of things These 

922
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:31,200
are very those are very suspect 
and they lead people in the 

923
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,000
absence of any overwhelming 
evidence to the contrary, which 

924
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,300
the government may have in could
provide to us as speculators at 

925
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:39,900
this point. 
They could debunk this in a 

926
00:46:39,908 --> 00:46:41,600
second. 
If there was a way to debunk it.

927
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,800
But they also confirmed it 
really, really, really tangibly.

928
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,100
If they released everything as 
well. 

929
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,100
It's a possibility. 
So they could debunk it by 

930
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:53,200
releasing the morning briefings 
that morning, but I have 

931
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,900
testimony myself through 
interviews off the Record. 

932
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,600
A name Source, hard unit is 
morning briefing that morning 

933
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,200
for the first time in his entire
career as a capital police 

934
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,000
officer, they were not given 
given printed copies of their 

935
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:18,900
morning briefing and they were 
told by the captain who gave 

936
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:22,200
them the briefing. 
I know who's the captain is that

937
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,800
the reason they were not going 
to be handed printed copies. 

938
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,700
Now by the way, these are very 
very Detailed briefings are they

939
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:36,300
can be 12 20 25 pages long 
especially on a big day like 

940
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:39,600
that and and the printed copy 
would go to either a lieutenant 

941
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,900
or someone just below that like 
like a high-level sergeant if 

942
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,200
they don't know, they are going 
to organize but that person 

943
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,200
would be able to deploy forces 
because that's their job. 

944
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,100
They've got 15 or 20 or whatever
direct reports and everybody's 

945
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:52,500
got a gig at a certain time. 
Okay but you're not going to get

946
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:57,500
printed copies today because we 
have to our information today is

947
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,400
to sin. 
Adjective. 

948
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:03,000
So all the guys are like, okay, 
so they get their morning 

949
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,500
briefing. 
When the briefing was over, they

950
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:09,100
all looked at each other again 
and went What the hell is that 

951
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:11,200
all about, right? 
Because we're was the sensitive 

952
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,500
information. 
It was no sensitive information,

953
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:19,900
just another day at the office. 
So then when they were required 

954
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,000
to file their app after-action 
reports. 

955
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:27,400
This particular offer officer 
goes to his sergeant and says I 

956
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,200
need a copy of the briefing, the
reference for my after-action 

957
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,500
report and he said they've 
they've been deleted and he went

958
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,000
What he said? 
Yeah. 

959
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:44,000
Captain blah blah blah deleted. 
The reports from the hard drive.

960
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Why would you do that? 
I don't know. 

961
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,100
Just what he told me. 
It's just what he told me that 

962
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,800
this is, this is coming directly
from and confirmed by other 

963
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,200
officers on that, in that unit, 
or that group. 

964
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:09,300
Then we finally see the actual 
printed 16-page CDU briefing. 

965
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,600
It's now available. 
I have it. 

966
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,700
I have a copy of it. 
I sent the copy that I have over

967
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:20,000
to This Heart Unit individual, 
who got the breeding The 

968
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,500
Briefing, which was put up on 
the screen behind them and he 

969
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:29,100
said that's not the briefing. 
We received The Briefing that 

970
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:33,300
they show to the public 
identifies, all these secondary 

971
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,000
stages, and all the stuff that 
was happening on the grounds 

972
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,800
that day that comport with the 
eight permits, that have been 

973
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,900
issued. 
That's the briefing that has 

974
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:46,500
been made public and it's dated 
January 3rd. 

975
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,900
The officers, I've talked to 
said, that's not the briefing, 

976
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:55,700
we received and we believe that 
that was created after the fact.

977
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:58,300
Yes. 
I mean there's really only two 

978
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:00,300
possibilities and you're laying 
out one of them, which is that 

979
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,500
it was done after the fact or 
that these guys are mistaken and

980
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,500
this was the briefing and they 
blew it. 

981
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,500
And you don't have any 
communicated by multiple sources

982
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,700
and you have cooperating sources
that that say otherwise yeah and

983
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:16,300
how comfortable hand. 
So, when we do intelligence, 

984
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,200
when we do intelligence, we 
always analyze the the 

985
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,500
capability of the source, right?
And they'll say, I assessed with

986
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,900
low medium or high confidence 
that this information is 

987
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:27,600
accurate. 
If you To assign a low medium or

988
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,900
high confidence to the fact that
your sources were giving you 

989
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:31,800
good information? 
Where would you what would you 

990
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,400
call it? 
Oh, I would call it very high 

991
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,300
because what I heard in the 
courtroom under oath other 

992
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,900
officers just as ignorant to the
happenings that day. 

993
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,500
As these guys were, if these 
guys were, the CD units were 

994
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:52,500
given detailed, Morning 
briefings on what was happening 

995
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:58,500
that day on the capitol grounds?
And then another officer who was

996
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:04,100
just guarding the East door knew
nothing, then you'd go. 

997
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:06,000
Okay, well that doesn't make any
sense. 

998
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,000
But what happened was, is the 
guys in the CD units. 

999
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Edu unit are saying there was 
nothing special given to us 

1000
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,400
about that day. 
That's not the briefing that we 

1001
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,100
got. 
And that again, is an alignment 

1002
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:24,400
with what we heard in testimony 
and trial that they didn't know.

1003
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,100
And And not just from the 
capitol police officers himself.

1004
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,600
But so many others including the
event, planner the event planner

1005
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,900
himself, who was responsible for
that? 

1006
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:37,000
You know, setting up the stage. 
This guy this guy has for years.

1007
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,800
Been doing very large events 
events from 5,000 people to a 

1008
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,600
half, a quarter of a million 
people. 

1009
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,800
He's been the event planner for 
those events and he was, he was 

1010
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,300
secured to hired to secure the 
permits from the Capitol Police,

1011
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,900
for this particular event 
because that's his specialty. 

1012
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,100
He was secured to bring in the 
the staging, The Sounds 

1013
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:00,500
coordinating, the scheduling of 
the speakers including Congress 

1014
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:04,700
members, all of the above. 
So this guy in his own 

1015
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:07,200
testimony. 
He said when the truck started 

1016
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,500
arriving with the staging and 
with the gear at 9:00 in the 

1017
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,500
morning, he said that was this 
is testimony in trial. 

1018
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,600
He said the most unusual thing 
that he saw he said, by that 

1019
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,600
time on a day like that with as 
many people as we were 

1020
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,600
anticipating, he said I would 
not only have seen five six, 

1021
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,900
seven times, a number of 
officers, Site. 

1022
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:28,000
He said, I would have seen it at
least two or three different 

1023
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,300
tactical units in the area as 
well. 

1024
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,600
And he said there was none and 
maybe a half a dozen officers 

1025
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,200
Milling around in the area. 
He said that was the first most 

1026
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,700
Stark difference at the start of
his day as an event planner that

1027
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:45,400
he experienced on. 
January 6th again completely 

1028
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,000
making the testimonies of these 
officers highly you know 

1029
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,000
believable. 
Yeah I think I agree with you. 

1030
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,600
I so I don't know if you don't 
have been told us to Whole bunch

1031
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,000
of people but I was out doing 
training with a bunch of 

1032
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,700
tactical units from different 
Maryland. 

1033
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:02,900
Police units, including some of 
the guys from the Maryland State

1034
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,800
Police emergency services. 
You know, I think it CSU or 

1035
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,700
something to that effect, 
Emergency Services Division, and

1036
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:12,200
they all got paged out, you 
know, in the afternoon, when I 

1037
00:53:12,207 --> 00:53:13,900
just went sideways, they were 
not on standby. 

1038
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:15,200
We were doing, we're doing 
training. 

1039
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,300
We were out on a shooting range.
We were doing flat range, 

1040
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:20,800
training and these guys were 
looking around going, what in 

1041
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,600
the world? 
Just happened in the capital and

1042
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,100
then we turned on, you know, 
some news feeds and salt. 

1043
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,300
Some of them, what had happened 
and it's like, okay, there's a 

1044
00:53:27,308 --> 00:53:29,600
guy with a Viking helmet, and 
he's sitting in the speaker's 

1045
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,000
chair, something went sideways 
and so they're like, we got to 

1046
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,800
do Mutual Aid. 
So we have to respond to this 

1047
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,600
but they were on standby. 
And and generally speaking as we

1048
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,100
talked about earlier, I think 
you would expect that some of 

1049
00:53:40,107 --> 00:53:42,200
these units would be ready 
because they do have agreements 

1050
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,100
with places. 
Like DC, especially in large 

1051
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,900
crowd, control environments, 
they have authorities to come in

1052
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:49,400
and help out or their own 
backup. 

1053
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,300
So they'll be sitting on a bag 
somewhere, they hang out with 

1054
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,800
your gear and get ready to go 
and they're all tacked up and 

1055
00:53:53,808 --> 00:53:56,300
chopped up and they sit around 
and mostly they just get stood 

1056
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,600
back down and they go back to 
their life, but they had totally

1057
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,000
different plans, including the 
commander of that unit. 

1058
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,700
By the way, that was one of the 
guys I was shooting with. 

1059
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:08,400
So the commander of the Maryland
State Police Tactical Unit was 

1060
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,400
just hanging out with me. 
We're having a good old time. 

1061
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,800
We were talking about guns, you 
know, we're talking about 

1062
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,700
competitive shooting and all the
things you would do and then we 

1063
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:16,400
look around halfway into the 
afternoon and his leg up, and 

1064
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,000
then Tom had to leave. 
And that was the last time I got

1065
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,100
to see him because, you know, we
had a short friendship because 

1066
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,200
January 6 events which which put
them into action, right? 

1067
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,700
I do agree with you that that 
makes it much more credible. 

1068
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:28,600
I think. 
I appreciate you. 

1069
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,200
Kind of like flushing it out. 
I think people need to hear the 

1070
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,200
reasons why certain things are 
credible. 

1071
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,300
Sometimes it needs to be 
spoon-fed and especially in 

1072
00:54:36,308 --> 00:54:38,400
something. 
So contentious as this there 

1073
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,300
are, you know, we have to draw 
the lines between all the data 

1074
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:46,100
points and I think that's their,
one of the things that has kind 

1075
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:50,100
of brought you into a more of a 
national Spotlight, or had you 

1076
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:54,500
go and sit on, on a fox program,
was a concern that you think 

1077
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,600
that the FBI made, Be turning 
around and going after people 

1078
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,700
like you and independent 
journalists who are disrupting 

1079
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:01,500
The Narrative and people like 
Tucker Carlson as well. 

1080
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,600
Who are releasing things that 
are contrary to what we've been 

1081
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,600
hearing about for two years? 
Even though I think a lot of 

1082
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:11,700
folks understand that the 
narrative was always was very 

1083
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:13,700
manufactured. 
Like there was they was contrary

1084
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:17,200
evidence right away and what the
reason was was not really a 

1085
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,000
parent, like did they open it to
the cops? 

1086
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,100
Open the doors to the cops? 
Just let the doors. 

1087
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,600
Be opened where the doors 
breached thrown open. 

1088
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,300
In the cops were told to stand 
down like they're, you know, A 

1089
00:55:25,308 --> 00:55:28,100
lot of different possibilities 
and you've kind of alighted on 

1090
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:31,700
one of them. 
But why do you think there's a 

1091
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:33,800
new focus on like why would the 
FBI focus on you? 

1092
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,800
Now with the fact that some of 
the stuff is big in National and

1093
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,900
there's nothing they can do to 
control it? 

1094
00:55:38,908 --> 00:55:41,800
I don't think you think there's 
something they could do like by 

1095
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,700
resting. 
You would date, would they 

1096
00:55:42,707 --> 00:55:48,300
change that game? 
Well, first of all, I was told 

1097
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,500
after my FBI interview at the 
conclusion of that interview 

1098
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,300
that just and this is them 
speaking even the the rough guy,

1099
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:59,100
you know, everybody's were 
smiling and we ended it on some 

1100
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:03,300
joviality and we've had some 
laughs and And so, we're all 

1101
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,700
kind of standing around the 
table at this point and, you 

1102
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:08,900
know, poking fun at one another,
for different things, that sort 

1103
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:09,600
of thing. 
Sure. 

1104
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,900
And it's just, just, just so, 
you know, mr. 

1105
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:15,800
Baker, that you know, it's not 
in our hands at all. 

1106
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,700
We're going to, you know, submit
the report the video, the audio 

1107
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:21,100
transcript. 
Something made by the Department

1108
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:23,400
of Justice. 
If they decide to move against 

1109
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,700
you, here's what's going to 
happen. 

1110
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,900
There's going to because of your
cooperation, you're not going to

1111
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:32,100
be arrested, there's not going 
to be any purpose. 

1112
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,000
Walk you'll your attorney will 
get a call. 

1113
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,000
We'll set up a mutually 
agreeable time. 

1114
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,300
They knew about my career as a 
musician and that I have, you 

1115
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,200
know, I have shows and because I
still do, I still play? 

1116
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:47,100
Sure and in fact I got a show 
tomorrow and and so they said 

1117
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:49,700
we'll work with you around your 
schedule and you'll come in 

1118
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:53,100
submit yourself to the to the 
marshals and then they'll 

1119
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:55,600
process you and you'll be 
released on your own 

1120
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,400
recognizance that sort of thing 
they said. 

1121
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,600
So that's that's how it's going 
to go. 

1122
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,300
And they said and by the way it 
If there are any charges filed, 

1123
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:07,700
they'll be misdemeanor charges, 
that that's it. 

1124
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,000
You know, that's been. 
So that's how we left the day. 

1125
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:17,900
Another month passes and you get
the, you get the, you see that 

1126
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:20,800
you see the caller ID on your 
phone, that you don't ever want 

1127
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,700
to see. 
And it's my attorney and I'm 

1128
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,800
like crap and sure enough he 
says, hey Steve I got some bad 

1129
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,000
news for you. 
He said I just got an email from

1130
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,700
the assistant us attorney out of
the Philadelphia office. 

1131
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,300
Her name is Anita Eve and they 
are going to go ahead and file 

1132
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:45,600
charges against you and he said,
That's the bad news he said but 

1133
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,500
the worst news is there wasn't a
good news. 

1134
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,500
He said the worst news is that 
they're charging you with 

1135
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:54,100
Interstate racketeering, oh 
good. 

1136
00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:01,600
And I went What? 
and he said, yeah, he said when 

1137
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,700
I saw it, And I went straight 
and looked up the code and sure 

1138
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:08,400
enough. 
And I'm like, send that to me, 

1139
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,800
send it to me. 
He emailed it over to me and 

1140
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,500
it's a felony 20 years, you 
know, and prison. 

1141
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,000
And I said his name is Matt 
Hazmat. 

1142
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,700
What, what is this? 
So there was not only the 

1143
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:32,700
racketeering charge but also 
there were hitting me with A 

1144
00:58:32,707 --> 00:58:36,700
damaged which I did none of 
whatsoever. 

1145
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:40,100
So you'll like this going back 
to the interview. 

1146
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:44,300
Now, at one point, I'm 
describing to them how that in 

1147
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:47,900
each section of the capital, 
when I would, how I would get up

1148
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:50,300
and away. 
Oh, you got up ahead, you doing 

1149
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:52,400
so what like, you know, one of 
the rooms, whatever it was, I 

1150
00:58:52,408 --> 00:58:55,100
said, you know, I got it. 
I stood up on a bench so I could

1151
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,100
get above the crowd and film. 
What they were doing and agent 

1152
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:01,700
noise, the guy goes because you 
stood on the bench. 

1153
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:03,500
I said, yeah. 
He reached out and starts 

1154
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:08,800
writing on his Pad but I kind of
like Welsh an unusual response 

1155
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,000
to me standing on a bench, 
pretty innocuous statement. 

1156
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,100
Yeah. 
Guess what under the criminal 

1157
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:22,400
code standing on a bench in 
federal property of any kind? 

1158
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,700
Any place, anywhere is a federal
crime. 

1159
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,500
It's private is actually in the 
property, damaged section of the

1160
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:32,600
code. 
So they were going to charge me 

1161
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,900
with property damage and 
Interstate racketeering in the 

1162
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:39,500
only thing that we could surmise
or only thing that we could come

1163
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:43,000
up with is that also in the FBI 
interview, they were really 

1164
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,600
inquisitive about how much money
I had made off of my videos and 

1165
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:50,900
from licensing because I had an 
agent and I licensed at through 

1166
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:54,800
that agency and it my videos 
ended up in the HBO documentary 

1167
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,600
The New York Times documentary 
and new Services all over the 

1168
00:59:57,607 --> 00:59:59,900
world, use my some of my video 
clips. 

1169
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,700
And so, I mean, it, to be honest
with you, thus, the the standard

1170
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:08,900
rate on these kinds of things is
very, very low, you'd be 

1171
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:12,500
surprised how low it is. 
I probably had not pocketed more

1172
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:15,900
than 15-hundred dollars total in
the eight months since the event

1173
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:19,500
at that 810 months before my 
interview. 

1174
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,000
And so I told them that they 
wrote that down but they were 

1175
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,200
still very inquisitive. 
They really wanted to know. 

1176
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,100
They started asking me questions
about my finances and this was 

1177
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,900
the only this was the only time 
in the to our Interview that I 

1178
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,200
looked over at my attorney. 
I go I don't have to answer 

1179
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,700
that. 
Do I know he goes no I said 

1180
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:38,600
okay, so the stop. 
The money questions has nothing 

1181
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,600
to do with January 6th. 
They were okay, okay. 

1182
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,500
And and so essentially the 
interstate racketeering charge 

1183
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:50,400
the best, we can figure out was 
the fact that they were going to

1184
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,000
make the claim that I knew that 
there was an illegal event, that

1185
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,300
was going to take place that day
and I traveled across state 

1186
01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:03,400
lines, specifically for the 
purpose of profiting, from an 

1187
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,300
illegal event. 
That's a hell of a claim. 

1188
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:12,400
Hell of a claim. 
Yeah, well So so he receives 

1189
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,100
this notice of the impending 
charges against me and this is 

1190
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:20,800
an exact quote from the email 
from assistant us attorney Anita

1191
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,800
Eve. 
She said your client will be 

1192
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,000
charged within the week. 
That was November seventeenth, 

1193
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:35,300
twenty twenty one week before 
Thanksgiving And being the kind 

1194
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:38,600
of guy I am, I wasn't going to 
take that sitting down, I sat 

1195
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,700
down and drafted out a press 
release. 

1196
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:46,400
Ran it by my attorney and 
another writer friend of mine. 

1197
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,300
Cleaned it up. 
We send it out to about 200 news

1198
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:51,300
Services. 
The next, on Monday morning, at 

1199
01:01:51,308 --> 01:01:56,400
9:00 in the morning at 1:15. 
On Monday afternoon, my attorney

1200
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,000
gets another email from 
assistant, us attorney an ed 

1201
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,900
with a copy of the press 
release. 

1202
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,200
Hmm. 
Guess who's monitoring my 

1203
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,100
communications? 
Yeah, sure. 

1204
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:13,700
She has it. 
She sends my attorney a copy of 

1205
01:02:13,707 --> 01:02:16,600
the press release says we're not
happy about this. 

1206
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:21,300
Well, I'm very lucky in that I 
have my Raleigh attorney as a 

1207
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:24,900
flaming libertarian himself and 
he responded exactly in the 

1208
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:26,700
manner that I would hope and 
expect from him. 

1209
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:30,800
He says he said, you are not 
expecting that my client at, 

1210
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,400
first of all, he says, you've 
seen who he is, because I'm 

1211
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,500
pretty aggressive. 
And she goes, you know, he's not

1212
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,700
going to shut up. 
And he says, are you expecting 

1213
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:42,700
that? 
My attorney, my client is going 

1214
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:46,100
to forego his first amendment 
rights to tell the world about 

1215
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,300
his impending purse. 
Fusion from the Department of 

1216
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:53,100
Justice and she wrote back and 
said oh no no no that's not what

1217
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:58,000
I'm implying at all I'm just 
letting you know that the judge 

1218
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,000
whoever handles his case. 
May not look at this very 

1219
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,700
favorably to which I responded 
to my attorney said as if she 

1220
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:08,800
cares how the judge is going to 
respond to my actions, my 

1221
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,600
journalistic activities and 
responding to this threat and 

1222
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:23,100
Very, very fortunate in that 
because of that press release 

1223
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,100
Wheels started turning very 
quickly because we were going on

1224
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:29,500
and we were going on the offense
is essentially what we were 

1225
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,900
doing against the threat. 
Yes, it was a media offensive 

1226
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:37,100
against the threat, but other 
things happen in the process, I 

1227
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,700
By Tuesday Morning of 
Thanksgiving week, I was 

1228
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:44,800
starting to get the calls from 
various agencies. 

1229
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,800
Want to know, smaller, smaller 
entities in the press. 

1230
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,500
That were wanting to talk to me 
newspapers podcasters radio 

1231
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:54,800
shows that sort of thing and, 
but additionally, I got a call 

1232
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,600
from you. 
I think, you know, Mike Waller, 

1233
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,800
right? 
I do know my quality. 

1234
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,200
Yes. 
So Mike and I we had 

1235
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,100
cross-pollinated because our 
original January 6, stories, I 

1236
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,000
think his came out on January 
12th man. 

1237
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,600
Came out on January. 
Paint and we became Mutual 

1238
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,600
admirers admirers of one 
another. 

1239
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,200
Because we saw the same thing, 
he's pretty sharp. 

1240
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,200
Yep. 
Yeah. 

1241
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,900
We saw exactly the same thing in
that craft and our stories were 

1242
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:26,000
so up closely almost identical 
that we became friends. 

1243
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:30,300
As a result of that, I sent him 
a copy of the press release, he 

1244
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:33,200
had me on the phone that night 
with Senator Ron Johnson from 

1245
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,800
Wisconsin know when Senator 
Johnson did not have to talk to 

1246
01:04:35,808 --> 01:04:37,500
me. 
I don't live in his state. 

1247
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,600
I'm not one of if his 
constituents I can never vote 

1248
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:45,300
for him and that guy, Told Mike 
Waller to give me his personal 

1249
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:48,600
cell, phone number at 9:15 on 
Tuesday night, Thanksgiving 

1250
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,800
week. 
I called the said he answers the

1251
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,600
phone I said, is this hello? 
This is a senator Johnson, he 

1252
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,800
goes, it's Ron. 
So this is Steve Baker. 

1253
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,200
I was giving your number to call
you and I said, well and I 

1254
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,500
started explaining what was 
going on and I kept calling him 

1255
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:08,200
Senator Johnson. 
He goes it's Ron I said, okay, 

1256
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:15,900
I'll give in Senator Ron and and
And he was, he said, all right, 

1257
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,900
he said I'm going to have, I'm 
going to have my investigators 

1258
01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:23,100
call you because he was on the, 
you know, the the minority team 

1259
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:26,400
obviously in the Senate but he 
was he was the minority leader 

1260
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,200
on the house investigative 
committee for January 6th, I'm 

1261
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,500
sorry the Senate investigating 
committee, right? 

1262
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:37,300
And he said, I'll have my, my 
investigators get in touch with 

1263
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:40,300
you shortly and you can tell us 
your story and that happened. 

1264
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:45,500
And so I suddenly had a Senator 
in my corner, like, Waller in my

1265
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:48,500
corner, we had the Press 
offensive going on. 

1266
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,300
And then, on Wednesday morning, 
I got a call from, who would 

1267
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:55,200
eventually become my DC 
attorney? 

1268
01:05:55,500 --> 01:06:02,700
And he is 22 years, former 
Federal prosecutor And happened 

1269
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:05,100
to work in the same office with 
a USA. 

1270
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:07,400
Anita e for 12 years. 
Oh wow. 

1271
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:09,600
She's someone whose name is 
public. 

1272
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,800
Are we keeping him out of this? 
Yeah, it's Brad. 

1273
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,500
Geyer he was also can 
Harrelson's attorney in The Oath

1274
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:17,600
Keepers trial. 
Okay. 

1275
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,300
The first Keepers trial, he's 
represented some other January 6

1276
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,000
clients as well. 
And do you know why? 

1277
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,300
So I'm going to pause you for 
one second, you have an instinct

1278
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:29,400
of what kind of Bravery it 
takes, for an attorney to jump 

1279
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,100
into this Fray because I have a 
little bit of a I was asking for

1280
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:36,100
some help when I was going 
through my whistleblower stuff 

1281
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,100
and they were telling me they 
were basically having to say no 

1282
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:41,200
over and over again to j6 
defendants because they were all

1283
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,700
mostly impoverished. 
Mostly had made bad decisions 

1284
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,600
and then Partners were voting 
against even in conservative law

1285
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,200
firms. 
They didn't want to touch this 

1286
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,100
nuclear reactive toxic football.
That was January 6, and I 

1287
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:55,900
imagine you probably experienced
some of that as well. 

1288
01:06:56,700 --> 01:07:01,200
Well, you and I know. 
That we're running up against 

1289
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:07,400
this in our own efforts to bring
to light, the Abomination. 

1290
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,200
That is the Department of 
Justice right now and even 

1291
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:17,000
though we have Allegedly 
friendly forces on our side in 

1292
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,700
the House of Representatives, 
whether it's the so-called 

1293
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:22,900
weaponization committee, whether
it's the house oversight, 

1294
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:25,600
Committee of the house 
administration, those three main

1295
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,600
committees which should be on 
our team and should be helping 

1296
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,600
us with our investigations and 
our efforts to bring these 

1297
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,500
abuses to light you. 
And I both know that they also 

1298
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:39,100
are reacting to the toxicity. 
That is January 6 and we're not 

1299
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:42,000
getting the support you need. 
You're attributing. 

1300
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:48,000
The possible sort of negative 
Fallout of picking a side and 

1301
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,900
and maybe even just saying that 
the truth is the side is too 

1302
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:52,700
much for these committees. 
Is that more or less. 

1303
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:56,200
What you're saying, I'm saying 
that they don't want to touch 

1304
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,700
it, they don't want to get 
within, you know, thousand feet 

1305
01:07:59,700 --> 01:08:02,500
of it. 
I have come, I have come to the 

1306
01:08:02,508 --> 01:08:06,800
conclusion that it's again. 
You either you either when 

1307
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,500
you're, when you're talking 
about politics, it's not 

1308
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:12,400
necessarily an issue of 
malfeasance. 

1309
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:19,100
Has incompetence but either they
are themselves part of the 

1310
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:23,399
system. 
That they're seeking to 

1311
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,300
maintain. 
That would be the conspiratorial

1312
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:27,399
side. 
Yep. 

1313
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:32,300
Or because it's politics. 
Polling is more. 

1314
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,800
Important than principle and 
they have internal polling from 

1315
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,200
their voters and their 
constituencies that were tired 

1316
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,500
of this January 6 crap and they 
just want it to go away and just

1317
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:47,500
so let all these cases run their
course. 

1318
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:53,000
Let the da doj run roughshod 
over this next thousand people 

1319
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,200
to be arrested. 
Let it happen. 

1320
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:57,700
And one day it will be over 
within the quieter. 

1321
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:00,899
We are about at the less likely 
we are to do damage to ourselves

1322
01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:04,300
in the next election cycle. 
That's I think is happening 

1323
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:07,200
right now. 
But the problem Kyle is it that 

1324
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,100
they don't understand? 
Is that January 6th? 

1325
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:15,399
January 6 is not about what 
happened on January 6th, it's 

1326
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:21,200
just not, the problem is, is 
that the Department of Justice 

1327
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:24,100
is? 
In fact, the heart, the soul, 

1328
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:29,700
the core of the Death Star that 
is attacking our civil liberties

1329
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,399
or civil, or civil liberties, 
the Constitution and The the 

1330
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:40,800
basic rights of Americans and 
January 6th is just right now 

1331
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,700
the experimental playground 
where they're discovering they 

1332
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:49,100
get to run roughshod with no 
rules and they press it in every

1333
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:52,000
single trial. 
In every single case, with every

1334
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,400
single defendant, they are 
making and setting precedent. 

1335
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,100
Now that we can do whatever we 
want to Bill of Rights, be 

1336
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:01,200
damned and they're getting by 
with it. 

1337
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:03,300
It's interesting that you call 
it the Death Star. 

1338
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,400
That's that's something that we 
refer to main justice as when 

1339
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,800
you work inside the FBI doj 
sometimes I call the Hoover 

1340
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,600
building the same thing. 
They asked me to go do an 

1341
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,900
interview there and I said, I 
have no interest in you know 

1342
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:16,600
going to the death star. 
That doesn't sound like a thing.

1343
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I want to do. 
They didn't like it when I said 

1344
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that, but I don't really care 
and I recorded it anyway. 

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I've called January 6, the 
American Rorschach test. 

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What do you think about that as 
an image? 

1347
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Thanks for listening to the Kyle
Serafin, show be sure to follow 

1348
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him on Twitter and true. 
Ruth at Kyle's seraphin. 

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Ruth at Kyle's seraphin.