1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,760 Now all interviewers have their own style, and my style is to 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,920 try to get to the point and to be intensely curious. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,720 And the key to interviewing is listening. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,240 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower and 5 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:19,600 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,040 uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,480 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,440 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,720 agent Kyle Seraphim. Well, hello, my friends, and 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,240 welcome to Sunday. Sit down. 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,640 This is going to be a best of today. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,680 We're going to dig into the archives and we're going to talk 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,440 about the story of Amy Nelson. She's a friend of our program. 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,000 She was introduced to me by Steve Friend. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 And just like Steve, Friend's story is not over yet, Neither 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,720 is Amy Nelson's. Unfortunately, we had kind of a 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,720 vindication episode where everything looked like it was 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,080 going their way. And since the Trump 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,920 administration came in, despite all our high hopes, it didn't 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,560 all work out. So we're going to cover that 21 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,280 story. 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That will give you the access to 33 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Spotify where you can skip through it all the time. 34 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,560 And you may hear some ads from them. 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,640 They're going to be the reason that we monopod monetize this 36 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,080 episode. Also find us over on Locals Kyle 37 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,320 seraphin.com. Easy place to get there. 38 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,800 Thanks very much for all of you that have supported our program 39 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,320 for the last couple years. Again, subscribe where you're 40 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,880 at. Don't forget to like it. 41 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,480 Look forward to sharing the story with you. 42 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,520 And then I'm looking forward to the update, which is coming very 43 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,960 soon with Miss Amy Nelson. We're going to get into it right 44 00:01:52,080 --> 00:02:05,960 now, Amy K Nelson. Amy, welcome back again to the 45 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Kyle Sarah Can Show. Thanks so much for having me, 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,759 Kyle. I'm so happy to be here. 47 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,160 I am thrilled to have you on. Let's give people a little taste 48 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,840 where we started, maybe where it went. 49 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 This has been a wild couple years. 2024 is the year of 50 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,600 victory, it feels like. I think it is. 51 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,240 I was looking forward to it and it's here. 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,360 It's, it's vindicating to see this. 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,160 It's we're still seeing evil happen all around the world, but 54 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,240 decent people are seeing results so much faster than maybe we 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,800 would have expected. Even though it feels like it's 56 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,600 1000 years. I just looked back and two years 57 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,840 ago I was working for the FBI today. 58 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,320 That's wild. I can't even. 59 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,080 I can't even imagine that. All right, give people a taste 60 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,880 of your story if you would. I don't want to set it up 61 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,600 because you're the expert. And then let's get into it. 62 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,400 Yeah, so my husband worked for Amazon Web Services for eight 63 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,240 years. AWS is a subsidiary of Amazon. 64 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,320 It is where the Internet lives because the Internet lives in 65 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,680 big warehouses here on Earth, not actually in the cloud. 66 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,440 He left in 2019, started his own real estate development 67 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,120 business. He worked in real estate, kind 68 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,360 of like helping source land where Amazon might build data 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,160 centers or where they could work with developers who built data 70 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 centers. So he leaves in 2019, starts his 71 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,800 own business. All is going well. 72 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,160 I'm an entrepreneur. We live in Seattle. 73 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,680 We have 4 little girls who are under the age of 6 so we're 74 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:31,080 incredibly busy and happy. And then the pandemic hit and a 75 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,440 couple weeks later we got a knock on the door with with by 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,960 two FBI agents and our lives were kind of shattered into a 77 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,280 million pieces. My husband was told he was the 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,680 target of a federal criminal investigation being run out of 79 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,240 the Eastern District of Virginia. 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,120 And the allegation was that my husband had committed a crime 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,040 called private sector honest services fraud, which is 82 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,640 depriving your private employer of your, quote, honest services. 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,680 And it wasn't really just the FBI coming to ask questions, 84 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,320 which I don't think they really often do. 85 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,400 They come with a point of view. And they had decided by that 86 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,160 point that my husband had committed this crime and that 87 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,200 they were going to convince him to plead guilty to those 88 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,920 allegations. Over the next few months, the 89 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,920 government seized all of our bank accounts based on these 90 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,360 allegations. In America, there's a practice 91 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,000 called civil forfeiture where a local, state and federal 92 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,320 governments can take your money based on the suspicion that it 93 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,000 is related to a crime. They do not have to charge you 94 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,160 with a crime or prove it. And it was, I mean, it was 95 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,920 beyond. They seized all of the money out 96 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,120 of my husband's business and personal accounts. 97 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,080 They seized my bank accounts because we shared money. 98 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,000 They seized my father's bank accounts. 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,200 My father was two weeks post kidney transplant and my husband 100 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,280 and I helped him with his medical bills so we were 101 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,800 transferring money to him. I didn't realize that had 102 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,720 happened as well. So it went even beyond your 103 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,160 family. It did. 104 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,360 And in fact, the most the craziest thing to me is that I 105 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,600 am was a lawyer before I started my own company is that the 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,040 federal government went into the client trust account of the law 107 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,800 firm my husband paid to represent him and seized all of 108 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,160 the money he paid his lawyers. I mean, it was done to just wipe 109 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,480 us out. Like you have no chance to 110 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,000 defend yourself so you need to come in and plead guilty. 111 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,520 Let's give everybody just a chance to digest what we just 112 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,480 said or what you just shared. And, and I also want to let 113 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,480 people know if you want to hear this part of the story, which 114 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,120 goes long form. It's emotional. 115 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,960 It brought tears to my eyes. It's one of the few interviews 116 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,880 I've done that that made me really emotional because it's so 117 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,880 awful and it's and it's so relatable to me. 118 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:45,360 We've got kids that are roughly the same age and knowing that my 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,520 former employer was out there just ripping people's lives up. 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,400 You always know that people get destroyed by investigations. 121 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,520 Usually they deserve it. There's a lot of people doing 122 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,480 bad things and you hope we we kind of believe that the the the 123 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,200 institutions are out there protecting us. 124 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,200 This is your your story has been so close to people like me and 125 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,880 Steve friend and Garrett and producer Phil when he started 126 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,720 like we just, I don't know. I, I, I cheered when I found out 127 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,600 the end of it, which is it's a this, this does end better 128 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,680 folks. But this is gut wrenching to 129 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,440 know that your federal government, the money that you 130 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,400 paid went after Amy Nelson's family and these agents were 131 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,880 being good Germans and they took everything you had and took your 132 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,320 family like all your family's money. 133 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,160 How do you defend yourself when that happens? 134 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,080 I mean, so the, the government was kind enough at the time, the 135 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,760 federal prosecutors to tell my husband's lawyers that my family 136 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,040 could have some money back to feed our little girls if my 137 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,120 husband would plead guilty. And I remember hearing that and 138 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,280 just I, I realized at that moment, I think fully that 139 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:47,720 America wasn't what I thought it was. 140 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,320 And my mother kept asking, you know, don't they care if your 141 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,120 kids can eat? And I said, mom, they is our 142 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,200 country and a parent. No, they do not. 143 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,320 The point is they don't want our girls to eat. 144 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,360 And then two weeks later, there was an FBI raid. 145 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,960 And we talked all about that before Kyle, but that was really 146 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,600 terrifying. But you know, what we did to 147 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,720 survive is we, we sold everything. 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,760 We sold our house, we sold our car, we liquidated retirement, 149 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,560 we borrowed money, we raised money and we worked really hard. 150 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,880 My husband and I are both entrepreneurs and we just like 151 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,800 we just worked. So we said we're going to just 152 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,640 keep making money and do the best we can. 153 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,680 We ended up moving in with my sister in California, all six of 154 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,360 us with her husband and her two kids, and then we went to Hawaii 155 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,120 to live with my husband's family for a year. 156 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,400 So we are just dragging little kids all over, you know the 157 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,160 place during the pandemic, moving them from schools, losing 158 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,240 childcare and working. I ended up getting a job with a 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240 public tech company, a remote job, and then I got fired on the 160 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,320 5th day because they read an article about the civil 161 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,320 forfeiture. Didn't ask me a question, just 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,200 fired me. It's a liability. 163 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,680 And and so I, I kind of also want to put some perspective on 164 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 this. Number one, This is why I have 165 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,200 like not sympathy for you. I have empathy for you. 166 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,400 I have lived this whole story. And that's why that's why it 167 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,680 brought me to tears because I've also done that and moved in with 168 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,120 family and sold everything. I know exactly what that feeling 169 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,640 is and it's a terrible feeling. The second thing is knowing that 170 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,640 these people just went out there and did what is easiest, and you 171 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,320 can't even blame them. They just read what was 172 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,320 happening. They're like, oh man, I don't 173 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,360 want to get involved in any of that. 174 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,640 Crap like that sounds terrible. It's why we love the story. 175 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,360 And my audience has been following the story with Steve 176 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Baker. The Blaze hired him in spite of 177 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,920 the federal government coming after him. 178 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,040 And I know you've probably seen some. 179 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,720 There's something so brave about corporations that are doing 180 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,280 that, and that's why this year is so special. 181 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,400 That's why it's so uplifting. I don't want to keep 182 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,280 interrupting you, but I I keep wanting to add like these 183 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,880 little, these little tangent jumps, like this story touches 184 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,440 so many other these themes that we keep seeing in this in this 185 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,600 podcast. I, I think I, I, I agree with 186 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,040 you and I think it is like that is, you know, when the federal 187 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,000 government comes for you or when someone with power weaponizes 188 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,960 the government, because that's what happened here. 189 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,800 You know, Amazon had actually accused my husband, my husband 190 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,960 of a crime to the DOJ. They had an intent, they went 191 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,040 in, they they made multiple pitch presentations to the DOJ 192 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,320 of like why they should charge my husband with this crime. 193 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,720 And they had a concrete financial motivation worth 194 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,280 hundreds of millions of dollars because of an action they'd 195 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:15,840 taken. But. 196 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Let's clean it down that if you don't mind, because here's the 197 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,240 thing, we've gained a a significant audience since the 198 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,640 last time we've had you on. And I want to give some justice 199 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:23,720 to that. I at least want to whet their 200 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,280 appetite to go back and listen to the story. 201 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Amazon lobbied the DOJ to take a criminal case. 202 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,400 People just handle how crazy this is to crush your family and 203 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,080 their their goal was to save $100 million or more. 204 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,400 More than that and and I think two things to start with, like I 205 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,040 have to skip to the end before we get to how this all happened. 206 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Do we? I like, I like making people 207 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,760 just like, sit there like this. No. 208 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,360 I just want to skip to the point of this, that people, if you 209 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,480 people believe me because you believe me, Kyle, because you've 210 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,720 lived this story with me. But, you know, my husband was 211 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,240 never ultimately charged with a crime. 212 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,120 The DOJ returned the money it seized from us and in total, it 213 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,680 had seized $7,000,000 from businesses, investors and 214 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:06,920 families. And it returned all of that to 215 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,040 like 100 people, which is unheard of when the DOJ takes 216 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,720 your money. They're not they're not 217 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,120 apartment to give it back. Yeah, that's not their game. 218 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,680 More more importantly, you know, my husband wasn't charged, but 219 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,120 the DOJ had obtained federal criminal guilty pleas from 4:00 220 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,880 men for other men who Amazon had accused. 221 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,720 And those men had all essentially pled guilty to kind 222 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,600 of aiding and abetting my husband and violating his Amazon 223 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:35,400 employment duties last a month, two months ago. 224 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Now, the Department of Justice vacated those guilty pleas, 225 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:44,000 which, you know, I read in an article when General Flynn's 226 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,720 plea was vacated, no former federal prosecutor could cite to 227 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,040 another example of that happening at the time. 228 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,600 So this investigation ended in like a fireball of mess, right? 229 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,680 Because Amazon had manipulated the government. 230 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,560 Essentially, Amazon had broken a contract with a real estate 231 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,360 developer. And the only way they could do 232 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,280 that was if the real estate developer pled guilty or was 233 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,960 convicted of a felony crime. They broke the contract on 234 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,320 February 19th, 2020. They had their first meeting 235 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,560 with DOJ on February 20th, 2020 to lobby for these criminal 236 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,080 charges. I mean, the paper trail is just 237 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,800 dumb, right? And I'll explain why I think 238 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,320 that that part of it really matters. 239 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,320 But, you know, they spent years trying to lobby for these 240 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,800 charges to get out of the liability they faced to this 241 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,000 real estate developer for the contract they broke. 242 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,200 And so they said that the real estate developer played my paid 243 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,480 my husband kickbacks, which did not happen. 244 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,840 And they really like, you know, it was this interesting 245 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,200 scenario, which I think happens a lot in the in the DOJ that, 246 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,360 you know, people with access go in and say XY or Z happened. 247 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:47,120 And then the prosecutors and the FBI agents work backwards to fit 248 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,920 the facts into whatever that person said happened. 249 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,040 Which is the exact opposite of what we want. 250 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Like that's not justice. It's not, it's, it's ridiculous. 251 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,560 And I think that, you know, you know, when we say Amazon lobbied 252 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,880 the DOJ, Amazon ended up suing my husband in civil court. 253 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,120 And it turned out to be the greatest blessing. 254 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,640 It was terrifying when it happened because Amazon sued my 255 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,960 husband after the DOJ had seized our bank accounts. 256 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,360 So this point we're like, OK, not only do we have to fight the 257 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,040 DOJ, now we have to fight Jeff Bezos in in federal court. 258 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,840 But you know, I mean, I guess they didn't Google us. 259 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,200 We're like a whole family of lawyers. 260 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,560 I'm a lawyer, My father-in-law is a lawyer. 261 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,640 My father's a lawyer. So so we did it. 262 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,120 But, but I think, you know, we, the reason the civil case 263 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,760 matters so much is that we were able to get discovery from 264 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,760 Amazon. And one of the things we were 265 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,720 able to get was all of Amazon's communications with DOJ. 266 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,720 And in a normal world, when someone accuses you of a crime, 267 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,000 say you're indicted, you don't get to really see the 268 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,560 communications between the accuser and the Department of 269 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:47,560 Justice. And we got to see all of them. 270 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,960 And they are shocking. I mean, just shocking. 271 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,320 First, they're shocking in the scope. 272 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,440 Amazon met with DOJ over 100 times. 273 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,680 You would like to think that. One more time really slowly the 274 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,520 a large corporation sent their lawyers to meet with our federal 275 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,880 government the prosecuting and 100 times when they are are not 276 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,640 really the party at stake. Theoretically it's a violation 277 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,080 of federal law. So the United States is the 278 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,800 party. It would be United States versus 279 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,440 your your husband, not DOJI mean not not Amazon. 280 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,320 Correct, and there's. No daylight between them though, 281 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,880 it turns out. None. 282 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,640 And I think like one, one thing to step back right when we talk 283 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,040 about access, is it Amazon Web Services like hosts all the 284 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,520 secrets they secure, the secrets of the FBI, the Department of 285 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,800 Defense, the NSA, the CIA in their Internet warehouses, their 286 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,920 data centers. Like, I don't think there's a 287 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,640 way for the US government at this point to exist without 288 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,240 Amazon Web Services. And like that is a big big 289 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,320 problem. The other side of that is can 290 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,720 Amazon exist without the federal government monies? 291 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,280 Because we're talking about what, 10's and 10s of billions 292 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,680 per contract? If you look, no one talks about 293 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:00,800 this, but if you look at Amazon's stock, right, because 294 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,320 everyone, people forget that Amazon was not an incredibly 295 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,160 valuable company for a very long time. 296 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,720 If you look at Amazon stock when my husband started in 2012, I 297 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,480 think the stock was like $150.00 a share. 2013 Amazon got their 298 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:17,640 $10 billion CIA contract, which like, I have no idea how they 299 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,120 got that contract. Does anyone has anybody ever 300 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,080 written about it? And was it? 301 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,920 Was it called Jedi? Was that the name of the system? 302 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,440 No, that was a 2019 debacle. OK, that was. 303 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Another one, yeah. First one, 2013 and their stock 304 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,520 started to soar. It was that that did it. 305 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,800 I mean, I Amazon, Amazon is a retail store. 306 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,800 What we, what we know and use doesn't really make much money, 307 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,720 but Amazon Web Services is a company's cash cow. 308 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,960 It's what made them more valuable than gold. 309 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,440 And I think that, you know, yeah, the. 310 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,680 The relationship is just so intertwined between the 311 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,200 government and Amazon. And I think that's why, you 312 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,480 know, when Amazon says we want to go accuse someone of the 313 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,720 crime, they expect DOJ to like, say, yes, Sir, what do you need? 314 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,480 How can we help you? And that is what happened here. 315 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,040 And that's the stunning and shocking, like literally it's 316 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,480 what happened. Like there are, you know, we 317 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:13,680 there are emails where, you know, we see the Amazon ask the 318 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,720 DOJ to seize my husband's bank accounts and just emailed over 319 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,760 my husband's direct deposit information that he gave Amazon 320 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,520 as an employee without a subpoena. 321 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,200 They just sent it. So Amazon had records, they 322 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,000 voluntarily provided it so that they could show DOJ what the 323 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,600 target. And then they told DOJ the 324 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,360 priorities. I remember you sharing some of 325 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,800 those, like the actual script there. 326 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,640 And it was like, these are our priorities, this is what we want 327 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,360 you to do. And then DOJ was like, yeah, I 328 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,760 got it, OK, 100%. Who was the attorney that 329 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,480 represented Amazon going over there? 330 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Because I think that's also a good fun part of the story for 331 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:44,360 people. Yeah. 332 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,320 So the attorney that represented Amazon is a man named Patrick 333 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Stokes. He had been a former federal 334 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,240 prosecutor computer in the Eastern District of Virginia for 335 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,880 a very long time, and he was seeking criminal charges in the 336 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,400 Eastern District of Virginia. He's now works in private 337 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,840 practice for a big law firm in Gibson Dunn that represents 338 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,080 Facebook and Apple and Amazon, all of them. 339 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,320 And he, you know, he went and lobbied his former colleagues, 340 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 as far as I can tell from the paper record I've seen Amazon 341 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,080 hired Patrick Stokes to do this. And like, you can't tell me that 342 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,200 relationship doesn't matter. Or they could have used any of 343 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,000 the thousands of other lawyers they've used, You know, 344 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,920 previously they had Pat, they hired Patrick Stokes and he 345 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,800 quite literally phoned the US attorney for the Eastern 346 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,880 District of Virginia, who he used to be a lawyer with and at 347 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,920 DOJ, his name is Terwilliger. And then they roped in at the 348 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,520 time, the deputy criminal chief Jessica Aber, who is now the US 349 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,240 attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. 350 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,840 And they just off to the races. You know, it's, it's wild. 351 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,720 I think, you know, I am a lawyer and I'm also a researcher. 352 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,120 I'm not an investigator at heart. 353 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,280 And the one thing that I know to be true, because I used to also 354 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,920 be very involved in politics, is that relationships matter 355 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,360 deeply. And you want to figure out where 356 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,800 the players are. And I did that very early on. 357 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,240 And I was like, holy shit, this is nuts. 358 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,599 Like all these people know each other and they. 359 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,599 Work together. And it's just, but like, if you 360 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,119 didn't know the system and you didn't know to do this, like you 361 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,760 wouldn't have any idea. I mean, there's a very crazy 362 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,119 part of the story, Kyle, that I don't think I've even told you. 363 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,800 One of Amazon's other targets was a man named Casey Kirchner. 364 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,119 And he, he had no money after DOJ wiped him out. 365 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,400 And he was the special agent Josh, Josh Huckel, who was the 366 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,240 FBI agent that worked on this, which is public information. 367 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,800 He called Casey and said I can get you a public defender 368 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,160 because they wanted Casey to have a lawyer because they 369 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,160 wanted him to plead guilty. They wanted to stand up. 370 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,280 Yeah, yeah. You need a lawyer to to navigate 371 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,640 that process. Casey did not plead guilty, of 372 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,280 course. And the public defender sent an 373 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,320 e-mail out to private attorneys saying, I'm a public defender. 374 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,440 I have this case in the Eastern District of Virginia. 375 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,720 I need help, pro bono help, free legal help. 376 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:02,440 Private lawyers often do that. One lawyer responded, and his 377 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,480 name is Frye Wernick, and he worked with a firm called Benson 378 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,280 and Elkins in Washington, DC, smaller office of of a big law 379 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,880 firm. Amazon's general counsel for 380 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,600 ethics and compliance, Usury Omar, used to work at that 381 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Washington, DC office of Vincent and Elkins. 382 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,000 And the lawyer who replied, Frye Warnick used to work for Patrick 383 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,680 Stokes at the Department of Justice. 384 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,640 Amazon's new lawyer, Frye Warnick, did not disclose that 385 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,040 to Casey at all. And Frye Warnick said that he'd 386 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,480 had one phone call with Casey and he said you have no 387 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,000 defenses. You have to plead guilty. 388 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,920 Let's just breathe on that. The amount of conflict of 389 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,600 interest and corruption that has existed across the entire 390 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,520 spectrum of your case is actually really staggering to 391 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,360 me. The thing that I think is most 392 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:56,600 powerful about your story from my audience, who probably did 393 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,800 not or does not or has not voted the way that you did and didn't 394 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,600 think about the world that that that you see, that we see. 395 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,880 Look, I love I hate your story because it just it destroys the 396 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,360 credibility of the thing that people who work for the 397 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:12,920 government have done. They've sold themselves out for 398 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,000 a government pension and the all the people that said yes, in 399 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,600 your situation, that should have looked at it and been like, now 400 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,960 this is bullshit. I'm not going to do it. 401 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,480 I refuse that that that was an option along the way. 402 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,160 That could have been a D. OJ Finally someone said it. 403 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,680 And I, I don't know exactly who said it, but somebody did. 404 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,680 And I applaud them, but it was far too late. 405 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,680 Far too late. The the overwhelming smack down 406 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,400 that that that exists when the the judge vacate is vacates 407 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,880 perfectly good guilty pleas that were, you know, negotiated by 408 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,760 attorneys is incredible. As you said, no precedent. 409 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,800 This is more than one. This is not just General Flynn 410 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,000 and a political this is little people who get squashed by the 411 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,840 government on the regular basis. This is what they do. 412 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:58,440 Let's talk about your political history, where you came from, 413 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,360 like because this disrupted your faith in the same way it 414 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,800 disrupted mine. We came from different angles. 415 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,400 We all have a common enemy. The common enemy is big business 416 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,640 and big government. Saying human beings that that 417 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,320 are supposed to be the ones that are served don't matter. 418 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,640 I. Think, yeah, I, I mean, I, yeah, 419 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,720 I agree. And I, you know, yes, Kyle, I 420 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,160 spent my entire life as a, a card carrying Democrat. 421 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,640 Like I believed in the Democratic Party the way a lot 422 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,440 of people believe in a faith or religion. 423 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,120 And I also have my faith, but I believed in it deeply. 424 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,160 I as a child, I, you know, I spent time in union halls, I was 425 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,200 knocking on doors. I was a bundler for a Barack 426 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,720 Obama and I worked on congressional races for 427 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,200 Democratic candidates. Like I, I believed, you know, I, 428 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,040 I believed that the government was, and the reason I was a 429 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,360 Democrat is that I wanted to help people who couldn't help 430 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,120 themselves. I believe that the Democratic 431 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,480 Party was, was very good for children. 432 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,720 It was good for the elderly. It was good for, you know, 433 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,240 people who who who had less than less than I did. 434 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,280 Isn't that the historical position that the Democrats 435 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,320 tried to stake out anyway though? 436 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,800 I mean, I don't think that was. Yeah. 437 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,920 I mean, it was, I think that we. Used to disagree about like the 438 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,920 reason or the methods at which we help people, but I don't 439 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,600 think conservatives or Republicans. 440 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,080 I'm not a Republican either, so it doesn't matter. 441 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,960 But like Republicans didn't say, well, those people don't matter 442 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,720 or they just said, well, there's a better way to handle it, which 443 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,360 is private. You guys say that the better way 444 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,000 to handle it is public. That's a policy disagreement. 445 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,680 Yeah, it is a policy and and that's what I learned through 446 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,680 all of this, right? And I think there's like so much 447 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,320 power in that is that most of us want the same things, right? 448 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,680 It's just how do we get there? And then I now believe that just 449 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,800 the media and the government tries to distract us from actual 450 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,840 solutions with a bunch of BS so that they can actually serve the 451 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,040 interests of the people they're interested in serving, which are 452 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,400 billionaires and big corporations. 453 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,760 So but like it's. And and you've used the term 454 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,000 that I've not heard anyone else use and I continue to, I'll 455 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,920 credit you every time I do it. But like, we're talking about an 456 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,080 oligarchy the same way. Yeah, we live in an oligarchy. 457 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Like it's dumb to say otherwise. We live in an oligarchy because, 458 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,240 you know, we live in a pay to play a system. 459 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,040 We are politicians need the political donations to win. 460 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,320 They spend an enormous amount of the time they are with that we 461 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,280 are paying them to govern. They spend that month, that time 462 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,080 out raising money. That is every politician. 463 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,080 And so, you know, they serve the interests of the people and 464 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080 companies that donate them the most money. 465 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,520 And like of course they do. That makes sense, right? 466 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,800 Like they're their benefactors. And and I mean, I think also 467 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,680 really importantly, aside from our dumb campaign finance laws, 468 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,840 which have created in oligarchy, you know, we allow our 469 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,800 politicians to inside trade, which I just get angrier and 470 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,760 angrier about. Like everybody is a multi 471 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,440 millionaire in Congress and it's and they didn't go there as 472 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,080 multi millionaires. And I am so angry about it 473 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,720 because it's just, it's ridiculous. 474 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,880 Like they go there to get rich and then they get out and then 475 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,720 they lobby and it makes no sense. 476 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480 And nobody's helping anybody. Like we have no practical 477 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,280 solutions. And now the government doesn't 478 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,480 even govern like, no party. Like what this the Congress has 479 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,360 done in the past few years is like, basically nothing, right? 480 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,480 Except fight and then yeah. Might be the best thing 481 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,000 considering how bad they are. I mean, it's true, but like, 482 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,240 it's, it is true on the one hand. 483 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,960 And on the other hand, like you look back to the government that 484 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,840 existed when we were kids, you know, in the 80s, like the 485 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,840 parties talked and negotiated. They got things done and it just 486 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,240 operated a lot better than it does now. 487 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,440 And I don't want to keep paying for them. 488 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,880 And it's just, it's ridiculous. It's so upsetting. 489 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,480 And, you know, I think we just allow it. 490 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,040 And then and then we fight culture wars, some of which are 491 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,200 important, some of which I think are a big distraction from the 492 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,760 fact that like, you know, we. Yeah. 493 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Anyway. And then you look at our. 494 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,200 I could go, you look at our tax code. 495 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,240 Like what? I'm not kind to people that 496 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,080 dress up like women because I love women. 497 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,240 I think women are really important. 498 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,240 I'm raising several little ones and, and I know you are too. 499 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,400 And so we may not even agree on that position, but I don't think 500 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,640 that trainees are the biggest danger to my children. 501 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,400 I just don't, I don't think about it a lot. 502 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,480 Like, I mean, I certainly there I like and I think there's like, 503 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,560 I mean it, it goes like you could go down a whole rabbit 504 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600 hole there because I. I do think it's distractionary 505 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,680 and, and, and when you said that the first time, I was like, I'm 506 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680 100% on board with that. The other thing is, is since 507 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,120 that time, I've actually had some guy and he's a guy with 508 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,360 like earrings and a gauge nose ring and all the other weird 509 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,000 things that people do when they're confused about what to 510 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,040 do with their life. I don't hate this guy by the 511 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,480 way, but he took over and he was, he's teaching or he's 512 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,680 teaching the class that my girls were in. 513 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,760 I pulled him out of a YMCA gymnastics class because you had 514 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,520 three beautiful little girls and some of them have piercings and 515 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,000 they have little tattoos, whatever, but they're like 516 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,920 little girly girls and they're teaching little girly girls how 517 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,480 to do gymnastics. It's a hands on thing. 518 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,760 You know, they don't know how to do back bends. 519 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,040 They don't know how to do forward rolls. 520 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,560 So they're doing that. And then you got some dude in 521 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,200 there who's confused. That same guy in, in our 522 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,760 childhood in the 90s would have been like, he would have been 523 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,880 wearing black lipstick and he would had a really fat 524 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,360 girlfriend wearing pleather from Spencer's gifts. 525 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,600 He would have, I just know what he would have looked like and 526 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,640 then and then, and then if you had been in the early 2000s when 527 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080 I was in college, like he would have been like with some really 528 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,920 gay looking guy and they would have worn little tiny matching 529 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,360 outfits and they would have been obnoxious then. 530 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,720 And now he's wearing whatever he's wearing sweatpants with 531 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,920 glitter and nose rings and tattoos behind his ear. 532 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,680 He's that guy. He's an empty vessel. 533 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440 That's like, he's confused. So don't I hate him. 534 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,080 I hate that the culture did that to him, but he's not my enemy 535 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,360 and and it's a that's a distraction. 536 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,200 I just like, OK, you don't get to teach my kids. 537 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,720 Now I can't go to the YMCA. That sucks. 538 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,680 I got to go find like a cheer camp or something like it's. 539 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,680 Yeah, when I think they're like, I mean, there I think there are 540 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,160 things like they're definitely important conversations to be 541 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,560 had. Like I have four daughters. 542 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,720 Do I want people who have male genetics to be competing against 543 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,360 them when they're in 6th and 7th grade in sports? 544 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,640 I don't. I don't think it's fair. 545 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,160 Like, you know, but like, but, and that's a conversation that 546 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,120 shouldn't come into my life. I will. 547 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,800 I will think about it and deal with it, but. 548 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,440 Yeah, when it comes to you, you'll figure it out because 549 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,480 it's because you're, well, here's the other thing. 550 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,480 You have to have good priorities. 551 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Your priorities are family, your kids. 552 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,640 We've seen this over the last couple years if we've been 553 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,120 watching your story. So yeah, you'll handle it. 554 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,280 I I handle it too. It's like, and I just don't go 555 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,360 to the YMCA. Oh well. 556 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,160 Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos, meanwhile, Jeff Bezos is over 557 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,560 here not paying taxes and making billions of dollars off of all 558 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,280 of us and weaponizing the Department of Justice. 559 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,200 And it's just, you know, and The thing is, so many people are 560 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800 when my husband, you know, ultimately the reason I believe 561 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,160 the DOJ vacated the guilty pleas is that Amazon's lawyers just 562 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,600 lied about Amazon's employment duties. 563 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,000 And there's a whole problem with the statute that my husband was 564 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,600 accused under because it essentially allows a company to 565 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,440 say what is a crime, which isn't how criminal law is supposed to 566 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240 work. But like, they, they really 567 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,800 quite literally lied about what my husband's employment duties 568 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,680 were. And the judge in the civil case 569 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,080 that Amazon filed ruled that he said that this isn't, these 570 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,560 aren't what Carl Nelson's employment duties are at all. 571 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,640 And the federal criminal guilty pleas said the false employment 572 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,560 duties. And so, but OK, so great. 573 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,280 So we, we were able to fight. We were able to have the 574 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,440 Constitution to do it, which is something else, right? 575 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760 I mean, that is like I could throw up. 576 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,280 There were a lot of days I wanted to throw up. 577 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,400 There were days I didn't know I could get out of bed because it 578 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,880 was so terrifying for so many years for 13179 days. 579 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600 And but like, so there's the constitution for it and the 580 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,520 constitution of like the people that love you, right? 581 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,080 Like we put our parents through hell. 582 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,800 We didn't, the government did. Yes, our elderly parents, you 583 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,360 know, our, our family members. Like, you know, my 97 year old 584 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,680 grandmother is praying the rosary every day, like hoping 585 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,080 that my husband doesn't go to prison for something he didn't 586 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,320 do. That's, that's third world 587 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,680 stuff, that's Banana Republic. One of the, one of the things, I 588 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,080 don't know if I I had this catch phrase in my head at the time 589 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,080 that we spoke last, but one of the things that I've gone out 590 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760 there and I've said it a lot now, is that the, the country 591 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,840 that I grew up in would invade the country that I live in. 592 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,600 I've seen you say that I like it. 593 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,800 Here's the thing, Arresting journalists about weaponizing 594 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,560 government to go after political opponents, financial opponents, 595 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,760 people who are inconvenient to the big businesses, Like that's 596 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,440 literally what the Banana Republic is. 597 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320 The Banana Republic is run by a company. 598 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,480 The company says, hey, these are the problems. 599 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Go crush that revolution. They're screwing up our workers. 600 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200 And they did that to you. They, they Banana Republic 601 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,680 themselves. Like we didn't make them do 602 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,640 this. No, well, The thing is like, 603 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,920 it's not just us. If you take just solely the 604 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,400 example of Amazon, over 75 Americans have been indicted for 605 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,840 federal Amazon crimes in the past five years. 606 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,760 And it's like what? Wait, what? 607 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,880 Like why are we using our taxpayer resources to like 608 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,160 criminally regulate Jeff Bezos marketplace so that Amazon has 609 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,160 gotten the DOJ to indict third party sellers, vendors, seller 610 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,720 consultants, employees like landlords, business partners. 611 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,200 They're like, we don't like these people, We're going to 612 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,240 crush them. And you know, there's you know, 613 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,400 I think people do a good job when they don't want to believe 614 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280 someone of just de platforming them or delegitimizing them. 615 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,200 And I don't know Michael Sanchez, who's Lauren Sanchez's 616 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,040 brother, Michael San Lauren Sanchez's Jeff Bezos girl 617 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,480 fiance, right? But when under the belt, pics of 618 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,560 Jeff Bezos were leaked to The Enquirer did. 619 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,200 You say under the belt. Yeah, under the belt. 620 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,680 I don't want, you know. Pantsless. 621 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360 Yeah, pantsless pictures of Bezos were like leaked to The 622 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,320 Enquirer, Dick pics. And Michael Sanchez, Lauren's 623 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,440 brother, got blamed for it. And I don't know what happened. 624 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720 I know nothing. But, you know, Michael Sanchez 625 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,040 copies me on a lot of interesting things. 626 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,920 And he, because I've, I've been fighting publicly against Bezos 627 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,960 and Amazon. Anyway, he has, you know, he's 628 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,320 he has this recording of Jeff Bezos, which Jeff Bezos talks 629 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,760 about how he might sue the National Enquirer just to 630 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,240 bankrupt them for fun. And, you know, that's the kind 631 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520 of personality that we're dealing with, right? 632 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,160 As somebody who's like, I will just crush you through the legal 633 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,080 system. And when the person with that 634 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,120 personality has access to the FBI and the DOJ, like, it's 635 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,920 pretty terrifying. That's movie villain type stuff 636 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840 though. We literally see those in 80s 637 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640 movies that we used to be like, this is what real evil looks 638 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,000 like. People who can really just go 639 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,800 I'm going to call you. And then we saw it like, it's 640 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,480 it's Gotham City. It's it's all of the worst sort 641 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,240 of cartoonish corruption. It is. 642 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,320 I mean, like in my mind, I think of Jeff Bezos like Lex Luthor, 643 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,720 right, with the bald, like, you know, it's just yeah. 644 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,720 And I think that one thing I would. 645 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,280 They would sue you for that. One thing I think is happening 646 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,520 in 2024 to talk about the year is that Americans of all 647 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,520 persuasions are starting to say things or see like Jeff Bezos 648 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,400 isn't our hero, right? He's not the hero of this 649 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,360 American story. Like his dad gave him 100, like, 650 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,920 you know, half $1,000,000 to start Amazon. 651 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,360 And he did. And Amazon is an arbitrage play. 652 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,000 Like it's, you know, like Amazon makes money on kickbacks from 653 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,400 people who sell on its platform and from the government and then 654 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,840 they don't pay taxes. It's not it's not a gritty, 655 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,240 wonderful American story. And and it destroyed thousands 656 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,400 of small businesses. I mean, it just wiped them out. 657 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,160 It's not the Riveter tow. No, it's not like it's like my 658 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:12,840 startup. Yeah. 659 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,160 You know, so it is like you, you just. 660 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,960 And I think that people are starting to realize that these 661 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,560 billionaires are not our friends and they don't care for us. 662 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880 And they actually don't want us to have the information we need. 663 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,280 They don't want us to be successful. 664 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200 You know, some, some people, you know, my husband was incredibly 665 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,560 successful when he went out on real estate and started his own 666 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,440 real estate development company. And you know, for Amazon to come 667 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,400 after him, it was like, no, no, you can only take the salary 668 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,320 we'll give you once you want to go off and build your own 669 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,440 company. Nope, no more slots available 670 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,920 for entrepreneurship in America. Like you're done. 671 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,560 I mean it just it makes no sense. 672 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,360 So this is the thing and and This is why I think there 673 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840 there's such a big divide in this country between like rural 674 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,360 and urban areas. And follow me on this, if this 675 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,000 makes sense to you. The reason why people are so 676 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,880 unhappy when they live in cities and why they're so cutthroat is 677 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,040 because the pie's already been divided and you're fighting over 678 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,680 whatever leftover slices are. That's an inherently sort of 679 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,360 left wing sort of position to be in that there needs to, to be 680 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280 fairness, we need government. We actually do need government 681 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520 where there's a ton of people. And that's why people in the 682 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,160 rural areas are like, no, no, no, there's tons of like 683 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,320 America. Have you been to America? 684 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,600 There's lots of it. And if you only stay in the 685 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,720 place where the pie has already been divided and you're fighting 686 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280 over scraps, then you want more government to be fair. 687 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,240 It doesn't turn out to be fair, but that's what you want. 688 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,280 And then if you're out there in the world where you're like, no, 689 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,200 no, no, we own a ton of land. I used to go shoot on on USA 690 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360 property. If you look on the maps of The 691 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,520 Who owns the plat, it says property of the United States of 692 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,320 America. Like all of us own that land and 693 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,960 you can do all kinds of stuff. You can camp on it. 694 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,920 There's no rules. You just go out there and put 695 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880 your RV and then you just stay there if you want. 696 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,160 Yeah, it's like, I think people, a lot of people want to be told 697 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,280 what to do because it makes them feel safer. 698 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,560 But the point is, if someone tells you what to do, someone 699 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,920 else is making up the rules and like, the rules are always 700 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,240 changing and you don't know what they are. 701 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,960 And like, just go, go, make, go live by what you think is right. 702 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,120 Right. And, and yeah. 703 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,200 And I, yeah, I don't know. It's, I, I hear what you're 704 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,480 saying. I think it makes a lot of sense. 705 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,600 Like, and I have lived in New York and Seattle and then I have 706 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,160 lived in more rural places and I've spent a lot of time like 707 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440 northern Minnesota where there's no one, no one's up there. 708 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,960 And it's beautiful. And people are much nicer to 709 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,400 each other because they're not fighting. 710 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,320 They don't, they're not looking for that thing there. 711 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,680 So there was this Joe Rogan podcast I listened to and I 712 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,440 can't remember the guy's name. And I'm, I'm sorry, I can't give 713 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,400 him credit for the idea. But essentially he said there 714 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,160 are two basic types of societies that exist. 715 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,640 One is agrarian and one of them is hurting. 716 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440 Have you heard this before? I have heard it before and we 717 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640 are mostly in a hurting society at this point. 718 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,920 Which means that we are very tribalistic and that we are very 719 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,480 punitive and we're really aggressive. 720 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,520 But the reason that Western society exists is because we 721 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,440 invented agriculture. And then when you have that 722 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,120 physical land barrier, you need a government to come in because 723 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,560 it's the one that's the third party. 724 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,200 It doesn't care who's right or wrong. 725 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,680 It just says, you've outsourced justice to me, and now I'm going 726 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,440 to make sure that you haven't moved the marker stones or 727 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,000 stolen this. But if it's about, like, things 728 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,520 that we can't track, yeah, we're all mad about that. 729 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,440 We all feel like we're being conned anyway. 730 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,760 The idea is is that people who actually live in rural societies 731 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,000 tend to be like, OK with law and order because it's further 732 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,400 removed. It's not in their business. 733 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,520 Right. It's disinterested. 734 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,040 We want to. We want a government that's not 735 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,600 interested. Our government is interested 736 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,600 though. Oh my God, they're so 737 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,520 interested. And I think like I was thinking 738 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,520 about this the other day because I was talking with somebody, you 739 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,639 know, and with, with our society and with people with businesses, 740 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,800 like infinite, like infinite growth is not possible. 741 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,000 Like a certain point, a business can't grow anymore or we'll kill 742 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,920 ourselves trying to make it grow and working people to the to the 743 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,800 bone. And I was thinking about that in 744 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,360 a way. And I was thinking about the DOJ 745 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,080 and the FBI and you know, when it, when the FBI started way 746 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,960 back when in the like the precursor in the 20s, thirties, 747 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,440 you know, it was never meant to be this massive organization, 748 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,320 right? And, and now it is. 749 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,720 And like not only I think is an organization that tries to make 750 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,120 itself necessary by doing more and more and more and more and 751 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,320 putting more people in prison for wild things, right? 752 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,720 That like 100 years ago we would have been like, wait, what? 753 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,960 Like, that's not a crime. And but you know, they're so 754 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520 punitive and they're so like, they just want to be necessary 755 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,640 and they want to keep growing. I'm like, why does the DOJ keep 756 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,040 needing to grow bigger and bigger? 757 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,600 Why? Right. 758 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,800 Like, what is the purpose of that? 759 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,560 Just to be a hammer? Like, is the world a nail? 760 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,480 I guess. DOJ. 761 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,520 The DOJ is government. Like all governments, all good 762 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,160 government agencies. Growth is the goal. 763 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,880 It exists because it's always existed. 764 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,040 And and you've, you've probably seen this, you've driven through 765 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,480 Oregon, right? They, they won't let you pump 766 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,320 your gas there, Correct. Yeah. 767 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,760 Correct. And I asked the guy in Jersey 768 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,760 one time who did the same thing and it blew my mind. 769 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,360 I was like, wait, what? So, but I know they do it in 770 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,560 Oregon as well. There's a couple states where 771 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,480 you can't pump your own gas. I said, why do you need to pump 772 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,160 the gas when I could do it now? By the way, that used to be the 773 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080 standard in like the 50s and 60s and 70s. 774 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,320 People actually, they had self-serve and then they had, 775 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,000 you know, full serve, which I remember the end of that, which 776 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,920 is weird. Yeah, I did too. 777 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,440 We were little kids. They were kind of like. 778 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,440 Window yeah saw like the end of some of these things that's the 779 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,040 benefit of that analog childhood we saw all the time before 780 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,400 people were on their phones or the Internet it's. 781 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,640 Beautiful. Yeah, it really was. 782 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,640 It was so much better. This guy, I said why? 783 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,440 Why do people need to pump my gas if I can do it better or if 784 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,280 I could do it for myself? And he said people need jobs. 785 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,400 That's why the DOJ has to exist. People need jobs. 786 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,400 That's not a good reason. Dumb like that is not a reason 787 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,680 for something to exist like it is. 788 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,920 I actually really liked Vivek Ramaswamy's proposal about the 789 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,600 FBI because one of the things like when you have big 790 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,480 corporations or just powerful people who can, who can get 791 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,160 access to DOJ and have them, you know, hunt people down it. 792 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,880 One of the issues is that like, you know, Amazon went and said 793 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,240 all these things to DOJ for here's a here's a simple 794 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,920 example. They said that they had overpaid 795 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,560 inflated prices for land by like 10s of millions of dollars. 796 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,200 And the FBI and the DOJ and the prosecutors were like, OK, OK, 797 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,400 thanks Amazon for telling us that. 798 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,000 They didn't check. They didn't like check what land 799 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,840 prices were. They didn't check comparisons. 800 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,120 Like this is all public information on Google. 801 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,400 And they just didn't check it. They just took what Amazon said. 802 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,880 And they don't know that, like land that can be used for data 803 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,440 centers is far more valuable than land that can't be, you 804 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640 know, it's like, because it's like gold. 805 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,600 It's like gold land anyway. And so one of the things about 806 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,800 the FBI is like you're asking FBI agents to become like 807 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,600 experts in these in these different fields that they're 808 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,720 tasked with investigating. And in some instances, I think 809 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,120 that's OK, but in a lot it's not. 810 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,280 And they're. Not experts. 811 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,960 Let's just go. Let me just go on record at the 812 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,160 spell. Anybody's idea. 813 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,360 You know, people get assigned. The old joke at the FBI Academy 814 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,120 is how do you get assigned to that field office and that 815 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,760 particular task? And the joke is that there's 816 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,480 drunk monkeys throwing darts at a board. 817 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,960 They took a guy like me. My background is paramedic 818 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600 military. I'd done outside sales. 819 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920 They're like Chinese counterintelligence. 820 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,800 That's where you're going to fit. 821 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,080 And I'm like, like, I don't speak Chinese. 822 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,680 I don't, I don't care about Chinese. 823 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,480 I'm not interested. Well, it's like, this is like 824 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,040 agent, agent Huckle said to someone once they the FBI agent 825 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,760 on the case, like someone had talked about like in commercial 826 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,680 real estate, they're like rebates and referral fees that 827 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,320 people could call kickbacks, right? 828 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,760 Like these are like they're perfectly legal. 829 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,160 And Huckle said to somebody, well, I asked my brother-in-law 830 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,280 is a broker and he said, no, I'm like, oh, so you OK, so you, you 831 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,320 asked your brother-in-law. So OK, send my husband to prison 832 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,880 because your brother-in-law who like what? 833 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Bob? Bob just said Nope, that's not a 834 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,720 thing. Yeah, I asked the guy. 835 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:22,880 Is that what? We're doing, yeah. 836 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,280 I went down to the diner and I was like, hey, can you do this 837 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,520 thing? And he was like, Nah. 838 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,360 So that was it. That's, that's the worst 839 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,280 example. But I mean, that's exactly how 840 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,120 it works. My buddy, who spoke fluent 841 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,680 Russian and lived first in Siberia for two years, was sent 842 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,600 to the middle of nowhere to work on Indian crimes. 843 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,400 That makes no sense. No, it makes no sense. 844 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,280 It's like they have resources, they have accountants, they have 845 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,080 capabilities. They took producer Phil, who has 846 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,880 a background in accounting, and they made him an auditor. 847 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,560 That actually makes some sense, except the auditor's supposed to 848 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,000 be like a retirement gig, and nobody wanted to do it. 849 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,000 So rather than take people who have the most energy and are 850 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,360 most willing to go out and learn new things and do the most 851 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,360 aggressive type stuff, no, they don't take experts in the field 852 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,440 and have them do it. So your case is just another 853 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,960 example of mediocracy masquerading as prestigious and 854 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,920 competent. And and it's it's incredibly 855 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,840 dangerous, it turns out to actually have real think about 856 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,840 if your family wasn't made of lawyers, think about if your 857 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,720 family didn't have the ability to, to stick through this and 858 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,200 have that courage and conviction, you would just get 859 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,320 crushed. Your husband would plead. 860 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,080 Yeah, yeah. Or or he we, he would have been 861 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,680 indicted and we lost a trial because once you get indicted, 862 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,320 your chances like it's, it's much harder. 863 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,240 You're not winning an E, you were an EDVA, correct? 864 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,520 Yeah, which is like. One of the top three soft seats 865 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,000 for government to go bring prosecution. 866 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000 It's DC, it's EDVA, it's Southern District of New York. 867 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560 You're losing. Yeah, I mean, you're just like, 868 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,080 I mean you're. Surrounded by government people. 869 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,720 Yeah, and the jurors are former government people. 870 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,240 And they're like, well. Everybody. 871 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,040 And, and the adage is like, Oh, well, the FBI, I mean, if I 872 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,800 could give you a penny for every time I've heard the FBI just 873 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,720 doesn't show up at your house if you haven't done something 874 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,200 wrong. And I'm like, oh, yes, they do. 875 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,520 I guess they do with Amazon, Samsung. 876 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,000 Like, I just, I mean, I laugh about it now, but it was the 877 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,120 most painful experience and you know, and I think like. 878 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,720 We all have heard. You've heard my story a lot, you 879 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,360 know, And someday my husband will tell his story. 880 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,240 But like, I can't imagine being my husband. 881 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,560 I can't imagine living through what he survived. 882 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,960 I mean, he was the one who had to think about being taken away 883 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,400 from his four little girls. Yeah, he's got an open invite 884 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,840 here anytime. He's always got, you know, 885 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,280 whatever platform we have, this is too. 886 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,840 Yeah, he's he's incredibly strong, incredibly strong. 887 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,800 So are all of the other men that fought, you know, and then and 888 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,560 the other thing is it's just AI think, you know, I saw yesterday 889 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,240 that Senator Menendez, who's indicted for honest services 890 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,880 fraud, same crime, same crime, He's a Democratic senator. 891 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,240 He's been indicted in New Jersey. 892 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,720 And I think one of the reasons DOJ indicted him is because 893 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,480 they're going after Trump and they needed to like pretend 894 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,880 they're being balanced or something. 895 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,400 I don't like, I now look at all of this. 896 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,960 I'm like, this is a game. It's a game right with people's 897 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,560 lives. And he Senator Menendez was 898 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,600 indicted and one of the, the person who allegedly paid him 899 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,840 bribes, one of those people has pled guilty. 900 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,760 And people like, well, now, now Menendez is going down and I'm 901 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,280 like, I wish people understood that it is like a game of 902 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,000 checkers and that a lot of people plead guilty even though 903 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,360 they believe they committed no crime. 904 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,840 Because if it's like a group of people being accused, the 905 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,360 prosecutors will be like, well, if you plead guilty, you'll get, 906 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,840 you'll get the best deal, right? We'll we'll get to the. 907 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,920 Cable spot, we won't send you to prison or, you know, you won't 908 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,280 have to forfeit millions of dollars or, you know, it's, it's 909 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,520 a game, right? And like, and they make things 910 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,080 up and I I there's, you know, lots happened that I can't say 911 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,960 publicly yet, but I can say publicly that I received a phone 912 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,920 call out of the blue a few weeks ago from one of the people 913 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,600 central to Amazon's allegations that was really revealing about 914 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,160 how this process worked in the manipulation and the corruption 915 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,080 in it. And that story will eventually 916 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,920 be told. But it it's, I think there's a 917 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,600 lot of coercive plea bargaining and a lot of people are in 918 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,480 prison because, you know, they just get stuck in this game, 919 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,120 like the simulation of this video game. 920 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,120 You used to have utter faith in the government being the 921 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,080 solution for this stuff. You've obviously moved from 922 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,200 there. Where has it taken you? 923 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,880 I mean, where has it taken me? Like, well, I can say it's taken 924 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,880 me into my family and my faith a lot more. 925 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,600 And that like that is what I hold to be hold dear and like 926 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,920 know that there's the most solid foundation and all of that. 927 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,720 But I just like I'm very skeptical of the government of 928 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,280 both parties of the of the entire government, because I 929 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,400 think that it exists to protect power, not to protect its 930 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,840 people. And we have just lost our way 931 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,160 to. Self like an ice cream cone, 932 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,320 right that it it it has a tongue and it has ice cream, so it 933 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,000 licks. And it gives you I, I look at 934 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,120 through our, our, our history of a different lens. 935 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,880 Like I look at Ruby Ridge. I grew up not knowing a lot 936 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,880 about Ruby Ridge, but thinking that Randy Weaver Weaver was 937 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,880 like some cuckoo guy right out out there in the woods who got 938 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,040 his wife killed. Well, that's not true. 939 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,200 Like, I mean, that's a hot like that's not true. 940 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,720 And it's shocking to me, like the narratives that we're told, 941 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,960 like Randy Weaver was a guy minding his own business and 942 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,720 like, you know, like the whole sawed off shotgun all it's just 943 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,720 dumb. Like people lost their lives 944 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,400 over this dumb thing when like why can't Randy Weaver just live 945 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,680 his life? Why can't his family live off 946 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,840 grid? Why can't they, you know? 947 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,040 Who's he a threat to having a shotgun that's three inches 948 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,080 shorter, by the way? Nobody. 949 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,000 And I'm pretty sure they're not going into Chicago in the city 950 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,200 and having standoffs with all the people there with illegal 951 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,320 guns. You know that, right? 952 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,720 Like. Listening to you say that in my 953 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,320 head, I've got that picture of God. 954 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,880 Who is it? It's it's a it's like a a Jif or 955 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,040 a GIF. Yeah, I get a GIF. 956 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,800 And it's oh, who's the who's the guy that's in that, that now I'm 957 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,560 doing my wife's thing where I can't remember the name. 958 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,360 I I hate this by the way, he's he's going like he's going like, 959 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,880 yes, what is that guy's name? Who he was in good as it gets. 960 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,960 You know what I'm talking about anyway, I heard. 961 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,200 You're talking about? I can't remember. 962 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,600 Who it is? It's a famous actor just going 963 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,880 like, yes, you're red. Yes, it's Nicholson. 964 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,480 Yeah, yeah. And he's doing his classic thing 965 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,200 where he's like, yeah, he's like all crazy and and it's like 966 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,280 you're coming down the rabbit hole where all the the red 967 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,040 pillars are. I know, but I don't think you 968 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000 and I end up in the same place where a lot of people do. 969 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,360 Yeah, my. Answer isn't go ahead. 970 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,160 I want to know your answer where. 971 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,120 Do you end up people you want to do in the place that I stand 972 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,000 right now is turn back to all the people I was aligned with 973 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,920 before and say you're being lied to. 974 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,520 And it doesn't mean you have to go be in a different political 975 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,800 party. It doesn't mean you don't have 976 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,080 to like kind of let go of your core beliefs about the world and 977 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,840 what you think is right. But like you're being lied to. 978 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,920 Stop just swallowing it because it's bullshit. 979 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,640 And like you, you play into it. You give them more and more and 980 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,920 more power. It's like nobody on the left 981 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,560 will look at January 6th, even to the point if you're talking 982 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,160 about protesters who stood outside the Capitol, who did not 983 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,560 go in, who did not walk into the Capitol, who were there because 984 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,480 they supported Trump, because they had questions, you know, 985 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,600 which is like, that's what that's what our country 986 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,720 encourages, right? Like. 987 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,680 That's literally the protected speech that we have. 988 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,480 Right. And so, and, and, and you can't 989 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,280 engage with a lot of people on that question of like, why are 990 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,040 these people being put in federal prison for years? 991 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,760 And, and like, they're just like, Nope, not having that 992 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,960 conversation. Like the narrative is that like 993 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960 these people are evil and they're bad and they were trying 994 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,480 to overthrow the government and the revolution, which like were 995 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,960 they like, you know, it's like, and, but like, no, like, you 996 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,920 know, it's like you're like what? 997 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,120 And so, you know, I just like, and I'm, I'm talking about 998 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,320 people outside the Capitol, right? 999 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,120 Like I'm not going to like walk into the minefield, but I'm just 1000 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,680 talking to people. Like anyway, it's just it's you 1001 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,040 can't have a conversation with people because they're just 1002 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,040 like, these are the media narratives and I'm going to 1003 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,600 accept them and I'm going to give this power and it takes 1004 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,320 away all the power that we have as people. 1005 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680 Take take this one for a second. Ready, Randy Weaver. 1006 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,040 I'll. I, I agree with you. 1007 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,760 Not a problem in the way that, you know, he's been villainized 1008 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,640 on one side, he's been lionized on the other side. 1009 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,160 He may have been a white supremacist, by the way. 1010 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,360 I don't know. I know he was. 1011 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,240 I. Don't even know. 1012 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,800 But like, I was a lawyer and my, I was a First Amendment lawyer 1013 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,800 and the guy that I went to work for, Floyd Abrams was like a 1014 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,360 lion of the 1st Amendment. The first day I went to work for 1015 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,160 him, he said, here's the thing I got to know. 1016 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,640 Are you going to be willing to defend the KKK's voice as much 1017 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,200 as you are the ACL U's? He's like, because if you can't, 1018 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,160 you can't work for me. Yep, that's a OG liberal 1019 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,720 position that is currently a white ring, a right wing 1020 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,360 extremist position now, allegedly because our Overton 1021 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,240 window has shifted so dramatically in those years in 1022 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,400 your career, in your career time as a professional. 1023 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,520 Yeah, like we're talking about as adults. 1024 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,840 Yeah. And it, yeah, it's just, it's so 1025 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,240 disturbing. So hear me out though, if we 1026 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,560 agree that Amy Nelsey Nelson, Amy Nelson and Co Nelson family 1027 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,800 was unjustly persecuted and prosecuted by DOJ because of 1028 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,800 corporatism, because of oligarchy, because of all these 1029 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,200 evil things and you say those are not legit prosecutions, then 1030 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,320 I also go Bob Menendez has been hounded by DOJ. 1031 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,000 Is he corrupt? Maybe I don't know. 1032 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,320 I also don't trust where that where that allegation comes 1033 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,120 from. Now he might be very corrupt. 1034 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,720 That's real possible people having gold bars and jackets. 1035 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,800 That's kind of weird. I can I can say that in my 1036 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,240 experience, I don't know anybody that does that. 1037 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,760 That doesn't mean that you're wrong. 1038 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,400 You're allowed to put gold bars in jackets. 1039 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,680 You're allowed to. There's all kinds of good things 1040 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,400 that I do. I stash guns all over my house. 1041 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,320 There's places that are safe that I know about. 1042 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,240 That's my thing. Other people think that might be 1043 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,920 crazy. It turns out America, you're 1044 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,200 allowed to do that. So if you're going to undermine 1045 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160 and this is the problem with this is the 0 sum game is the no 1046 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,520 piece of the pie to share thing that I think that you and I both 1047 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,440 see very clearly. Just because we want to agree 1048 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,000 with it doesn't mean that it's true. 1049 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,160 And just if you're going to say that DOJ does illegitimate 1050 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,920 things, all of it should be in question. 1051 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,280 If you're going to say that drug convictions are evil and there's 1052 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,120 mass incarceration, which I don't know if you sit there 1053 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,280 anymore or not, but let's say that that's the case that you 1054 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,000 hold. If you say the federal 1055 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,480 government comes in and wrongly goes after a bunch of black 1056 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,560 people and says and throws them in prison and uses all the 1057 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,280 apparatus to crush these people who have no money, you can't 1058 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,000 turn around and say, but it's also really good at getting 1059 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,800 these really evil Trump protesters. 1060 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,680 You got to just say that if it's evil, it's evil. 1061 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,880 And all of it is suspect. And then we take them case by 1062 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,080 case. And that's what I, that's where 1063 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,920 I stand, right? All of it is evil. 1064 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,360 And like, we need to, like, we need to question everything. 1065 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,240 Like what I, I started down this path and stopped. 1066 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,760 But like, one thing I like that Vivek Ramaswami had suggested 1067 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,360 was that we dismantle the FBI and then we put those agents 1068 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,920 into other agencies where they would fit, right? 1069 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,000 Like if it's financial crimes, have the SEC deal with that or 1070 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,240 the Department of Treasury. If it's, you know, like if it's 1071 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,440 the border, like the Homeland Security, I mean we have the 1072 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,600 whole Homeland Security have them do. 1073 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,800 I hate Homeland Security I. Hope that I know I do too. 1074 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,720 I think it's ridiculous, but like but I think it's an 1075 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,120 interesting proposition right of like, you know, take it out of 1076 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,480 the of the put it in other agencies that already exists. 1077 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,360 But I mean listen, I do I do stand. 1078 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,800 You know, I now think that everything the DOJ does is 1079 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,720 suspect. I don't, you know, I, I look at 1080 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:13,880 like, look what they did in our case where Amazon walked in, was 1081 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,920 able to get all these meetings and try to put all these people 1082 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,320 in prison. They destroyed businesses, 1083 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,040 destroyed families. And then in the Olympic gymnasts 1084 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,040 go in and like dozens of them and say, Larry Nasser raped us. 1085 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,560 And they're like, and the FBI is like, because do children and 1086 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,520 women matter? No, property matters. 1087 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,080 Property and billionaires matter. 1088 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,280 Do you know the worst thing is that the special agent in charge 1089 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,360 of that field office, who supposedly personally was going 1090 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,560 to handle it, ended up getting a job with US Olympic Committee? 1091 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,680 Which is exactly how it works. I know that. 1092 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,920 And I was like, I'm surprised. I don't know if you've watched 1093 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,920 dope sick or like it's about the opioid epidemic. 1094 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,680 And the guy at this isn't just DOJ, right? 1095 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,720 The guy at the FDA who ended up like approving this very bizarre 1096 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,080 pain designation for Sacklers drugs. 1097 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,760 He went and worked for for new pharma for the Sacklers. 1098 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,680 Like, you know, it's like he left and worked for them. 1099 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,840 Like it's just. On the surface dumb. 1100 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,720 You don't even have to go digging, you can just pick them 1101 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,520 up off the top of the ground. Well, and this is the point, 1102 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,040 like at the end of the day, where I am too with DOJ is is 1103 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,800 this. And I will stand on this hill 1104 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,760 for the rest of my life. The Department of Justice is 1105 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,160 fully aware that it was lied to by Amazon's lawyers. 1106 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,960 Whether that falls on the feet of Gibson Dunn or Amazon's 1107 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,080 lawyers, UC Omar, Matt Jordan, Dennis Wallace, I don't know. 1108 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,320 I don't care. I don't know who lied. 1109 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,560 Someone lied. The Department of Justice knows 1110 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,680 this. Federal judges know this. 1111 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,560 This is true. And nobody at the DOJ will do 1112 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,120 one single thing to hold accountable the people that lied 1113 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,000 to it, that forced it to waste hundreds of thousands of 1114 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,920 taxpayer hours in dollars that made a mockery of the system. 1115 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,760 No one will hold them accountable. 1116 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,760 And if that's and. There's no one who can. 1117 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,680 But I believe someone at DOJ could say we should charge. 1118 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,240 There are crimes they could be charged with. 1119 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,120 Yeah, of course, but they're not. 1120 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,600 What I'm saying is there's no one outside of DOJ that actually 1121 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,760 has oversight on it. So it's the old who watches the 1122 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,200 watchers argument. There's no one that can do it. 1123 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,680 There's no independence. You know, this is the this is 1124 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,640 the insane impotency and and that that that rage scream that 1125 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,080 people have. And I see it in the political 1126 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,960 left too. Look, there's a lot of injustice 1127 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,760 in the world and we hate it, but there's no easy answer to it. 1128 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,040 And it's not use the like, well, we just need to capture the 1129 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,480 government and use it for our weaponized purpose. 1130 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,200 That's the opposite of what Americans do well. 1131 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,200 I know. And people are like, well, 1132 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,040 people like my family's story. A lot of people be like, well, 1133 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,800 we don't care about these rich people problems. 1134 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,720 Like first of all, husband and I worked very hard. 1135 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,880 We paid our way through like we were lucky enough to have our 1136 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,720 parents pay for college. We both paid for grad school. 1137 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,000 We worked incredibly hard. We built great careers. 1138 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,720 They were taken from us and we have worked our way back through 1139 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,280 scratch and claw. And we're like that. 1140 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,280 But like, here's what I say. Fine, don't care about the 1141 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,280 problems, you know, that that people in the upper middle class 1142 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,160 have. But what I'll tell you is this 1143 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,280 civil forfeiture, which was a big part of our problem, 1144 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,680 primarily impacts people that don't look like me. 1145 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,920 It impacts black people, brown people, immigrants. 1146 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,560 And so like, if you want to change that, you should really 1147 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,240 amplify my story, right? Because this is a great and easy 1148 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,800 story to understand about the abuse of civil forfeiture. 1149 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,080 But like nobody wants, nobody wants to do it because it's 1150 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,280 terrifying to them. I've been told by reporters that 1151 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,840 the reason, one of the reasons our story hasn't been like on 1152 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,200 the front page of a lot of newspapers is because it's so 1153 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,600 clear that DOJ was weaponized. And they don't want to give 1154 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,200 credence to Donald J Trump's arguments that the DOJ can be 1155 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,160 weaponized. And I'm like, then once again, 1156 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,600 our then our media is like, the whole thing is dumb. 1157 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,800 They're. All our enemy so dumb. 1158 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,680 No, they're all our enemy. All right, you open the door for 1159 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,200 the, the Trump stuff. I want to talk some of it 1160 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,640 because anybody who watch the podcast know I, I actually have 1161 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,080 people comment. In fact, today's show, they they 1162 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,040 comment, they're like, why do you need to say that you're he's 1163 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,320 not your favorite? It's like, because he's not my 1164 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,680 favorite and I'm honest and I don't care. 1165 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,520 What if you don't? If he's your favorite, he's 1166 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,240 allowed to be your favorite. I'm not saying you're wrong. 1167 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,320 You can have an opinion. Guess what? 1168 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,680 And I do, and I'm very opinionated. 1169 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,680 I'm an opinionated guy. I'm super judgy, too. 1170 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,800 My wife keeps telling me she is, too. 1171 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,640 That's why we get along. You know, we just sit out there 1172 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,240 in our front window and watch people like, what are they doing 1173 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,400 over there? You know, like the classic thing 1174 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,520 you get to do when you're married. 1175 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,080 You get to have a partner in judging other people. 1176 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,320 You're nice to them, but you're like, what are they all about? 1177 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,000 Like, why do they make, why do they drive a Tesla? 1178 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,800 Why do they have that stupid Mercedes out there that they've 1179 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,320 already wrecked? You know, that kind of stuff. 1180 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,760 So we see Donald Trump doing his thing. 1181 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,160 I don't think you were a Trump voter in 2016. 1182 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,440 Is that correct? No, I was. 1183 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,080 Not OK, I wasn't either, but not because I hated Trump. 1184 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120 I just, I also hated Hillary. I just saw them both and I was 1185 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,160 like, these people are both awful. 1186 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,080 It made me laugh that he won. I see Donald Trump do that now. 1187 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,520 You've seen the DOJ come after you. 1188 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,800 You've seen DOJ really tip its hand and then also apparently 1189 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,880 cooperate with the state or the, you know, Fonnie Wills 1190 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,400 prosecution out there in Fulton County. 1191 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,960 You've got Alvin Bragg up in New York, you see two different 1192 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,400 federal district where he's indicted in. 1193 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,200 Does that change your opinion based on what you've had go your 1194 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,880 whole family go through about him as a person or these these 1195 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,680 cases? I think that Trump has been 1196 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,000 targeted from the minute he won by the Department of Justice, 1197 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,600 probably by the CIA. I mean, he's been targeted like, 1198 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,600 right. Like I, I think he's been 1199 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,200 targeted and I think that happens to people and it really 1200 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,600 happened to him. And he, I think it's bananas 1201 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,200 what DOJ is doing to Trump right now. 1202 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,440 I think it was really stupid politically for them to do it 1203 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,160 because it just like added to the legend because they just 1204 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,560 can't comprehend that people would really like Trump and a 1205 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,160 lot of people really do. Have you met those people like 1206 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,280 Trump? Yeah, lots of people. 1207 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,400 I mean, I live in Ohio. Like, half my family is deeply 1208 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,720 Republican, right? Like it always has. 1209 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,720 Been I'm really saying that is because there are people that 1210 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,600 like Trump and we've met them. They're yeah. 1211 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,000 Well, I know. And people like, like your like 1212 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,960 my friends, some of my friends in Seattle and New York, like 1213 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,240 just can't imagine it. And I'm like, well, people like 1214 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,600 I know a lot of business people that love Trump, like very smart 1215 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,960 business people who love Trump, right? 1216 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,440 Like I know tons of people who love Trump. 1217 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,760 And I think like, it's so transparently political what 1218 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,680 Jack Smith is trying to do. When the when the DOJ made the 1219 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,040 argument that they had a right to a speedy trial, I was like, 1220 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,000 OK, we have jumped the shark here. 1221 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,360 The right to a speedy trial is the defendant's right in 1222 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,520 America. It has made the argument. 1223 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,480 The government has a right. TOJ has never once argued for a 1224 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,400 speedy trial ever. When they're prosecuting 1225 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,840 someone. I mean, what? 1226 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,200 Like oh, it's mind blowing. It's it's the opposite of the 1227 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,320 technique that the government uses, which that will drag you 1228 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,320 out until you quit because we could do this forever. 1229 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,200 We're the government. We. 1230 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,920 Literally make the money that we that we printed. 1231 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,600 You can't. You can't outspend US. 13179 1232 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,400 days investigating my husband right like never charged him 1233 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,120 with Trump like and they I think they waited so long because they 1234 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,160 were hoping he wouldn't run, which again, I'm like, were you 1235 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,520 paying attention? Are you based in reality or are 1236 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,840 you based on what you want reality to be? 1237 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,520 He was always running. He was never not going to run. 1238 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,960 He. Had to re adjudicate 2020 yes 1239 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,240 that had to be done and even if you are a person that likes the 1240 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,600 political left. I don't know how you can look 1241 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,680 around and go whatever happened with COVID whatever you believe 1242 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,240 about it. The wildest thing happened in 1243 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,720 anyone's lifetime in modern history. 1244 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,360 We shut down our economy. You now see that the people that 1245 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,640 was like the the 20th surgeon general the United States. 1246 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,480 I've, I've had him on the show. The other I showed pictures in 1247 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,480 the other day, Jerome, Madam, he's wearing a mask in 2024 on a 1248 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,600 plane saying people need to follow my example. 1249 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,120 That dude bought into it and he can't let it go. 1250 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,440 A lot of people got broken by Donald Trump. 1251 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,920 Like I said, you didn't have to like the guy to know that real 1252 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,640 people liked him. A lot of people lost their damn 1253 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,320 minds. A lot of them. 1254 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:41,680 A lot of people lost their minds. 1255 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,000 I have all my mom will get mad if I talk about COVID but like 1256 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,320 all I can say is I had a business that was based on 1257 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,920 density right? Like a small business. 1258 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,160 My business model was Co working. 1259 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,680 It was based on how many people you could fit into a space, and 1260 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,200 my business was worth $60 million that I'd built. 60, 1261 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,120 yeah, yeah. And it was based on and it was 1262 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,720 based on making the most out of space that was commercial real 1263 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,800 estate. So that actually plays off what 1264 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,120 your husband does, I imagine, right? 1265 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,160 Yeah. And yeah, And it was just 1266 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,360 decimated. Destroyed and how long? 1267 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,680 When did you start the Riveter? I started the Riveter in May of 1268 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,280 2017 and I built it to a company worth $60 million in 2 1/2 years 1269 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,800 while I had two babies. I mean I worked and. 1270 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,200 Let yeah, let me just let me ask this. 1271 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,080 That was super easy, right? You didn't have to even do 1272 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,480 anything. It just happens on its own. 1273 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,080 Is that what people think? No. 1274 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,560 How many? How many hours a night did you 1275 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,480 sleep? How many did you sleep ever in 1276 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,040 that time? Barely I would sleep like four 1277 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,480 or five hours a night. I mean, I was I was in it like I 1278 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,320 at my husband. My husband is super amazing. 1279 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,080 And when I wanted to start this company, I was going to like 1280 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,120 start a small business and my husband said, if you're going to 1281 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,960 take the bat Amy, swing it as hard as you can. 1282 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,920 So I went for it and I did it and it was, my business was 1283 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,760 completely destroyed by COVID. Like my company was I guess 1284 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,040 fortunate that we got 2 PPP loans, but like the PPP loans 1285 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,920 were a Band-Aid that they couldn't keep a business built 1286 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,760 on density alive during shutdown orders for years, for years, 1287 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,440 right? And so, you know, I, yeah, it 1288 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,640 was just, it was devastating. And then like there were a lot 1289 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,440 of people who made a lot of money off of COVID and like 1290 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,360 that. Isn't it interesting that the 1291 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,240 biggest companies were fine? We had the culling of the small 1292 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,800 upstart, the sort of the yappy dogs that were able to come and 1293 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,880 challenge some of the big dogs. Yeah, yeah, that's what 1294 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,480 happened. I mean, it's just, and it's 1295 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,320 just, I, I don't know, like all these things and it's just I, I 1296 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,600 read something on the Internet the other day that like the. 1297 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,080 Worst place to read things? The CDC is like COVID is now 1298 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,960 like the flu. I'm like, oh, OK, thanks now 1299 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,600 thank you. Like, after all, like after all 1300 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,880 of this, like it was, I mean, deep breaths. 1301 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,840 But like, you know, the, the one of the main problems I think is 1302 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,120 what they did is that when there is a virus that has a very high 1303 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,440 kill rate and it spreads through the world, no one is going to 1304 00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,960 listen or trust the government. They did. 1305 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:01,920 The boy who cried What? We literally learned about this 1306 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,920 as children. They blew it, right? 1307 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280 They blew it. And so and and my husband's. 1308 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,440 Because of Donald Trump, I think in many ways. 1309 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,760 I tend to agree with you, Kyle on this like I think. 1310 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,920 Like as a non, as a non Trump, I'm not a Trump or die guy. 1311 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,920 Everyone knows this about the watch the show and like people 1312 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,720 get mad about it. But like I don't have to be. 1313 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,240 I want to be a clear minded person. 1314 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,520 You can objectively see the media lost their mind, the 1315 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,520 intelligence community's lost their mind, the governmental 1316 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,680 apparatus lost their mind. The deep state, which is just 1317 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,360 the administrative state, just a bunch of people that know each 1318 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,200 other, that work in government, they lost their minds. 1319 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,400 We need to stop calling it a deep state because it sounds so 1320 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,920 like conspiracy. I literally just like the guys, 1321 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,760 the guys that know each other that are in charge. 1322 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,920 Like it's like, it's like it's the guys that know each other 1323 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,200 that are in charge, like right, Like it's. 1324 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,160 It's administrative. I, I always tell people like 1325 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,200 everyone, when you say deep state, to me, it sounds like a 1326 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,000 sexy term like this. Not not in the way that like E 1327 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,200 Jean Carroll says, rape is sexy, which made me want to puke. 1328 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,280 That was like the most nauseating thing. 1329 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,760 Like, have you heard that, by the way? 1330 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,200 Oh, yeah, she was on Anderson Cooper. 1331 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,160 She was a total creep. So that Lady, she said, I think 1332 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,920 people think rape is sexy. And you're like, that's the 1333 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,000 nasty. Like, as someone who's 1334 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,840 investigated rape crimes and treated victims, it makes you 1335 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,480 want to puke. No, but deep state has sort of 1336 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,480 like, at this, like, mysterious, kind of like it like, like dark 1337 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,320 state, like, like something fun and interesting and mysterious. 1338 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,200 Like, like my X-Files poster behind me. 1339 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,400 Like, there's a bunch of dudes that are smoking cigarettes in a 1340 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,320 room together and they're making the plans and they're doing the 1341 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:23,480 TV stuff. That's not the deep state. 1342 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,720 The deep state is like a dude who's got like a crappy old 1343 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,440 coffee pot. It's got burned coffee on it. 1344 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,080 There's a stain on his desk and they had government funding for 1345 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,320 new desks, but somebody else got it. 1346 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,160 Who made more money? That guy who has fluorescent 1347 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,440 lighting from the 80s in some crappy building that has black 1348 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,560 mold. They're the ones, but they all 1349 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,080 know each other. It's it's Jim Baker from Twitter 1350 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,480 who's been there since the 90s and DOJ then goes to Twitter and 1351 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,600 of course he does whatever the DOJ says. 1352 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,200 Like who? Who do you think his friends 1353 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,600 are? Who are the people that. 1354 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,040 Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. 1355 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,960 One thing I noticed the other day on LinkedIn is that the new 1356 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,320 general counsel of Norfolk Southern, the train company, 1357 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,920 former federal prosecutor, you know, the train company that 1358 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,320 derailed former federal prosecutor to protect the train 1359 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,840 company. Like why is a former federal 1360 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,720 prosecutor the general counsel of a train company? 1361 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,960 Does he have experience in the train industry? 1362 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,920 Is he like a? Is he a logistics lawyer? 1363 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,200 No, he was a prosecutor. Like no, Nope, right. 1364 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,760 So anyway, but like I I here's what I here's what I think about 1365 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,520 Trump and COVID. But for COVID, Trump would have 1366 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,480 been re elected in a landslide. I wouldn't have voted for him, 1367 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,160 but he would at that, you know, at that time for sure. 1368 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,360 No, but like he would have been re elected in a landslide. 1369 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,600 A landslide. That is the truth. 1370 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,600 Yeah, they did everything. That much is the truth, right? 1371 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,560 Like he would have been. You don't even have to get into 1372 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,320 contested election theories to know without that insane Black 1373 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,960 Swan out of nowhere event. And they pulled out of the 1374 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,720 chucks and the the casualties. And here's the thing, the only 1375 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,280 casualties of getting rid of Trump was everybody who was a 1376 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:51,600 small business that got decimated. 1377 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,720 And all these people lost their faith in institutions and 1378 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,880 complete destruction of like there's a guy named Amarilla 1379 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,080 Slim. He's a a famous gambler and has 1380 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,480 all of this folksy wisdom. And he says you can you can 1381 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,840 shear sheep many times, but you can only skin it once. 1382 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,680 They skinned the sheep with COVID. 1383 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:10,960 They did. That's a that's a very good way 1384 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,080 of putting it. I think it's a very, it's just 1385 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,120 like there wasn't even like what you can tell now is there wasn't 1386 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,800 even, there was no rational thought of very smart minds of 1387 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,000 like, what do we do here? What is the smartest thing to do 1388 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,680 here? It is like I, oh man, so I, I, 1389 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,600 you know, I don't want to really get into Israel and Gaza, but 1390 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,080 like, I studied national security studies in college, not 1391 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,920 an expert, but I learned a lot about war. 1392 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,560 And like, Israel was attacked by a terrorist organization who 1393 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,040 continues to hold Israeli hostages. 1394 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,800 And Israel's going to do everything they can to get them 1395 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,280 back, right? And that's war and people are 1396 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,840 going to die, lots of people, right? 1397 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,480 But like, Israel did not start this particular act of 1398 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,000 aggression. They did not, you know, like in 1399 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,960 nor can we stop them. If you want, everyone's like 1400 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,160 Biden needs to call us cease for I'm like, Biden's not the 1401 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:58,520 president of Israel anyway. Right. 1402 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,280 Yeah, Israel kind of does its own thing. 1403 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,360 That's why it's still Israel. Otherwise there'd be no Israel. 1404 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,040 So crazy, but but like I bring it up to say, you know, it's 1405 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,360 like when I talk about was there like we cannot have a 1406 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,360 conversation in America of what is the proportionate response 1407 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,320 when there is a death, when there is a virus that could kill 1408 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,160 some people. We aren't allowed to have that 1409 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,400 conversation. It's like, no, shut everything 1410 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,160 down, right? Wow. 1411 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,000 And this is something I'm passionate about. 1412 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,720 Like we have here in Ohio, we have like in Columbus, OH, we 1413 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,200 have the highest rate of maternal mortality in the 1414 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,840 country, you know, for certain populations, like no one gives a 1415 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,200 shit. Like no one's like, oh, stop 1416 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,000 everything. How do we save these babies and 1417 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,480 these moms, right? But like, in this instance, we 1418 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,760 just shut everything down to save. 1419 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,560 I don't know, like I don't think we did the proper analysis. 1420 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,760 It's I always say that there's a lot of first order thinking, 1421 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,760 which is like, how do we stop this thing in front of us, but 1422 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,560 there's no 2nd and 3rd order thinking. 1423 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,160 Like what are the effects of that downstream? 1424 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,640 That seems like a very OK, I'm going to I'm going to get into 1425 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:57,640 this. This is good. 1426 01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,120 I have a female on to to talk about it. 1427 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,360 There's a male instinct towards rationality that says, OK, yes, 1428 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,080 that's really important, but also can we look at the 1429 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,840 following effects? There's a sort of rationality 1430 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,320 which we kind of attribute to the male side. 1431 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,200 There's an emotionality which we need both. 1432 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,360 I, I would not argue that either one is superior. 1433 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,040 There's an emotionality that says, but, but don't you feel 1434 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,680 terrible that this is happening? And those two things in a 1435 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,480 marriage work really well as a balance. 1436 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,920 My wife will come to me and say we should give money to this 1437 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,440 cause. And I go, why this cause and not 1438 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,720 other causes? Is there a better way to give 1439 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,400 the money? Is just giving it directly to 1440 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,760 the person versus giving it to a family? 1441 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,400 Like are there better ways to accomplish this? 1442 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,120 And we temper each other out and we make a good decision based on 1443 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,560 the feeling and then also the sort of the thought and sort of 1444 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,160 that, that cold, you know, evaluation, analysis, that's how 1445 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,880 it's supposed to actually work for a lot of stuff. 1446 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,040 I see the left as being a very feminine version that that 1447 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,720 emotional driven. There's a lot of energy, there's 1448 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,320 a lot of activity. There's this is so bad. 1449 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,760 But when I look at things like that and then I compare it, You 1450 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,800 just said Israel. I can do the same thing with 1451 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,440 opioid deaths. We can do the same thing with 1452 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,560 gun deaths. Do you care about Chicago? 1453 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,440 That seems like a real problem. Why do you care about my AR15? 1454 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,040 Who cares? It's never hurt anybody. 1455 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,960 And by the way, kids aren't dying from AR15 wounds. 1456 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,120 They aren't getting shot with two 2-3 and five 5-6. 1457 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,720 They're dying from like 9mm and 22 and three 80s and other crap 1458 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,800 guns that are out there in the world. 1459 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,120 That's who's dying. So why don't we handle effects 1460 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,080 in the order with how about medical malpractice kills more 1461 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:26,920 than all those things, by the way, like like 500,000 people 1462 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,360 die from that. Are we allowed to talk about 1463 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,440 that? Or heart disease kills more 1464 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,760 people because of bad lifestyle. And you know, we used to call it 1465 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,400 the trifecta in, in emergency medicine, if you are 1466 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,320 hypertensive, high blood pressure, if you are morbidly 1467 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,280 obese, Right. And then what what is the third 1468 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,760 one? Overweight, hypertensive and 1469 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:46,480 then diabetes. Yeah. 1470 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,720 So like, yeah, you're, it's all dietary, they're all lifestyle 1471 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,200 choices. Like we don't talk about that. 1472 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,840 No, we don't. Nor do we talk about like the 1473 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,360 the food industry in America and the Pharmaceutical industry in 1474 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,640 America that want us to be sick. Yeah, I know. 1475 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,560 Like we had the worst outcomes for COVID and we have the most 1476 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,720 money and most medicine. How much sense does that make? 1477 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,520 It doesn't make any sense, right? 1478 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,960 And it's like in, yeah, we have. I think it, I personally think 1479 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,600 it all goes back to what I talked about the beginning was 1480 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,440 pay to play government, right? Of like the government serving 1481 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,040 the interests of the biggest companies and the, and the 1482 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,880 wealthiest people and what they want and what they need and 1483 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,120 maximizing shareholder value. And they kind of do everything 1484 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,880 along those, those ways. Like when the NRA was very 1485 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,560 powerful, you know, it had a very, very powerful influence in 1486 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,000 DC. And like, listen, my, my husband 1487 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,560 is a gun owner, right? Like I, you know, I believe in 1488 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,720 responsible gun ownership and, and, but like, it's, it's the 1489 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,960 lobbies, right? It's, it's just the like the 1490 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,760 Pharmaceutical industry, like how much did they get away with 1491 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,960 right? And like how much money did they 1492 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,560 make off of COVID? And what? 1493 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,000 What I say to people too is like you can't tell me it's not pay 1494 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,960 to play when this is true is like think about Amazon. 1495 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,880 They give equally to Democrats and Republicans. 1496 01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,240 They don't they have no ideology like they don't care. 1497 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,320 They just want power in more government. 1498 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,360 Contracts which equals winning. Yeah. 1499 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,280 And so all of these things, yeah. 1500 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,600 I, I feel like there's an American position in the middle 1501 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,640 there. I don't know what that party is 1502 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,320 called. Like I call it conservative 1503 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,720 lowercase CI, call it because I do want the things that are 1504 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,440 traditionally in this country. I'm not mad at liberals. 1505 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,000 I'm not mad at people that disagree with like where we 1506 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,480 should spend our money. Like we could have that debate. 1507 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,600 Like you're not going to hurt my feelings. 1508 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,440 You and I could. We probably don't agree on a a 1509 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,840 ton of things like that are in the social sphere all the time, 1510 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,080 but we wouldn't be mad at each other. 1511 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,920 Like, I'm not mad at you, ever. Yeah. 1512 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000 I mean, it's like I, you know, I will, I will say and like this 1513 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,560 probably like won't resonate very well with this, you know, 1514 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,280 with this community. But like one of the reasons that 1515 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,760 I was a progressive and had that line in the sand most of my life 1516 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,480 was to be productive rights, you know, and it's like, I believe 1517 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,920 like I don't want to go have an abortion, but I believe it's a 1518 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,760 medical issue, right? And I didn't, I don't want 1519 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,280 people to, I just don't want people to vote on it. 1520 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,120 That's my position on abortion. I don't want it to be a 1521 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,440 political issue. I don't want people to vote on 1522 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,480 it. Like if you were vehemently 1523 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,880 against it, I completely respect that and like, you know what I 1524 01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:58,960 mean? But it's like, and of course, 1525 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,480 like I don't think there should be any abortions after 1526 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,040 viability, all these things. But point being, right, like I 1527 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,280 had this line in the sand, but like, I now look at that and I'm 1528 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,760 like, well, OK, then I need to not have that happen in my 1529 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,400 family if I care this way or like, or if I didn't care, you 1530 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,200 know, let it happen. But like not have that be the 1531 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,399 one thing that I vote on all the time, right? 1532 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:22,800 Because then you're you let go of everything else. 1533 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,920 And I think. Failure to have that ideological 1534 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,200 consistency across the board is really, really hard. 1535 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,000 And yeah, you and I disagree on abortion and that's OK. 1536 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,160 Like we're, we don't have to be mad at each other. 1537 01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,840 I don't want bad things to happen to you because of it. 1538 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,800 I want good things to happen. And then I want to change your 1539 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,240 heart at some point or. And, and as you just said, you 1540 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,840 don't actually believe in it personally for yourself. 1541 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,040 You believe it for other people. That's such a, an interesting 1542 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,640 sort of thing. We could do a whole podcast on 1543 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,279 the number of people that have taken on the banner of other 1544 01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:51,399 people's problem and hey, that's a real discussion to have. 1545 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,200 We could have that. Yeah. 1546 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,760 And I also like people want is like safe reproductive choices, 1547 01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,720 right? Like where like people aren't 1548 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,120 getting pregnant when they don't want to. 1549 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,800 That's ultimately what everybody wants, right? 1550 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,439 Like you want people to like. OK. 1551 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,920 So you and I would agree that if we could go upstream that we 1552 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,920 didn't have unwanted pregnancies, whatever that is, 1553 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,279 more personal responsibility, better choice, we would agree on 1554 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,760 that. A. 100 like most of and that's 1555 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:14,960 the thing it's like. Everybody would. 1556 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,279 That's where you get that's get there, right? 1557 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,399 Like get to that point, right. So that's the. 1558 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,560 The problem is, is what we've seen is that people have gone 1559 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,600 downstream to it to the point where it's shout your abortion, 1560 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,439 celebrate it like a sacrament, do all this ugly stuff and 1561 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,720 people have good, good conscience and good faith. 1562 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,080 Like they shouldn't want that. That's not a good position to 1563 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,600 stake out, hence the safe, legal and rare. 1564 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:35,960 I think you're probably still in that category. 1565 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,680 Yeah, safe, legal and rare. OK, It's a Hillary Clinton 1566 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,160 position, right? Like it's the, you know, the. 1567 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,840 Clintons used to be like the Clintons today would be right 1568 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,080 wing extremists. So I think that is true. 1569 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,399 I think about that a lot, right? Like I, I do think about. 1570 01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,080 That that's crazy. Yeah. 1571 01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,160 And they were, they were like, they were the evil, evil. 1572 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,760 But like, remember when Bill Clinton was president? 1573 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,440 Nobody like they were like, he's like doing bad things. 1574 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,320 The White House is, but the economy is good. 1575 01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:58,960 Like, the policies aren't terrible. 1576 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,520 We didn't have that much contention. 1577 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,240 And see, here's the thing, like going back to Trump that people 1578 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,680 like, when I think about, like whether Trump will win. 1579 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,400 Like Trump, yes, I think Trump will win. 1580 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,360 And the reason is because people ask the one question that 1581 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,800 matters in every election. Am I better off today than I was 1582 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,320 four years ago? And most Americans right now 1583 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,600 will say no. The Uber wealthy will say hell 1584 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,680 yes for killing it. But like the most Americans, 1585 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,440 aren't they? Marginalized people that are 1586 01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:26,120 even on the fringe, the theoretical people that they're 1587 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,160 even if you're like a like a bleeding heart type who's full 1588 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,480 of compassion, like you're hurting the poorest people in 1589 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:35,840 America by bringing in more people that are poor at the 1590 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,520 border. That seems to be very salient. 1591 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,520 Like that's just obvious. Cesar Chavez used to fight 1592 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,800 against illegal immigration. Like he's, he's look at the. 1593 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,240 Communists. I dug into the border thing 1594 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,320 recently because I was like, you know, I always ask myself, I'm 1595 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,240 like, is this like, because what I'll read is like, the right 1596 01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,280 wing's going crazy over this. Is this really a thing? 1597 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,560 And I was looking at it and I'm like, wow, what is happening? 1598 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,120 And like, I believe in like, more legal pathways to 1599 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,920 immigration because immigrants in America will, you know, have, 1600 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,320 like, in the past 100 years have started some of those viable 1601 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,600 companies, brought the most valuable innovations, right? 1602 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,960 Like, we need more legal immigration in America, less red 1603 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,560 tape, less bureaucracy. It's like, impossible. 1604 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,240 But like, what the hell is happening? 1605 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,960 What is happening at the border? Like, what is happening? 1606 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,120 Like I don't even understand. It's called Cloward Piven. 1607 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,480 Are you familiar with that strategy? 1608 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,120 What? Cloward Piven? 1609 01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,680 That's what we're talking about. They overwhelm the resources 1610 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,240 that you got to bring in the federal solution to it. 1611 01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:25,240 And that's almost always the worst. 1612 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,520 And honestly, the the the closest that the government is 1613 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:28,800 to you, the more accountable it is to you. 1614 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:30,600 Yeah. So even people that want more 1615 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,280 government should want it closer to them so that at least 1616 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,200 responds to them. The federal government doesn't 1617 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,840 care when you scream. They don't care about crushing 1618 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,920 you, as you found out. They really don't. 1619 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,480 They don't care. I think about it all the time. 1620 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:45,480 I'm like, do you like The thing is, Kyle, is it ultimately, I'm 1621 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:50,480 not 100% sure why like someone at the DOJ was like, we can't do 1622 01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,800 this. And not only can like we not 1623 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,360 keep going forward, we have to unwind what we did, which as you 1624 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,960 know. It's so hard to be somebody. 1625 01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:04,960 At some point you have to realize, like, where are we 1626 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,000 right now? I think I, I think I know who it 1627 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,720 was and I'll say it out loud to applaud him. 1628 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,760 If it is this person, this AUSA, he's been in AUSA his whole 1629 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,800 life. His name is Russell Carlberg and 1630 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,200 like, I think it, I think it was him. 1631 01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,640 Was he was he recently brought on to the to the That's why if 1632 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,920 you step, here's the thing. And I think he asked like the, I 1633 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,200 think he asked basic questions about Amazon valuations and was 1634 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,600 like. Brief me on this case. 1635 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,800 And. Then when the answers are like, 1636 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,360 we don't know why we did that. Like do you have this 1637 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:35,440 information? Where did that come from? 1638 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:36,560 They gave it to us. What about this? 1639 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,720 They gave us that too. When that starts happening, I I 1640 01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,760 see this the same way that that this recent Supreme Court 1641 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,480 decision comes down. It's 90 Trump. 1642 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,680 Not because Catanji Jackson Browne thinks that Trump is a 1643 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,000 good guy. I think she probably despises 1644 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,960 him. I don't like what she has to 1645 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,240 say. She seems foolish about a lot of 1646 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,880 stuff. But like that doesn't matter. 1647 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,960 The fact of the matter is that the legitimacy of your operation 1648 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,680 is in question when you do batshit crazy things. 1649 01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,880 They try to pull him off a ballot without a criminal 1650 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,400 prosecution. By the way, we have that statue. 1651 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,160 You can charge him with that stuff. 1652 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,880 Yeah, I agree. Like, listen, I agree with you. 1653 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,960 And the one thing I will say about Justice Brown is that 1654 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,480 she's a former public defender. And I think it is so important 1655 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,640 to have a voice on the court that was not a prosecutor 1656 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,560 because like in federal courts at the district level, some 1657 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,080 insane percentage of District Court judges are former federal 1658 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,040 prosecutors. And, like, they just believe 1659 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,600 anything the government says, right? 1660 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,200 And so I'm glad that we have that counter. 1661 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,440 I don't, I don't hate it. I don't like I said, there's a 1662 01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:35,720 yin and a Yang. There's balance everywhere that 1663 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,400 it doesn't matter what you're talking about the force, 1664 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,040 there's, there's good and there's evil. 1665 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,080 There's dark and there's light. There's always a balance. 1666 01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,840 And if without one we just have either, I guess we have just a 1667 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,960 utopia which doesn't exist. That's nowhere, right? 1668 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,280 We know that. That's what the word means. 1669 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,800 So if you don't have utopia, then we have this fallen world 1670 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,960 and it's got to have contrast and Shades of Grey and all the 1671 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,080 other things like let's disagree, let's have good faith. 1672 01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,440 Let's all have the sort of, let's have that same common 1673 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:00,920 values. I don't know if Katanji Brown 1674 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,720 has the same values, American values. 1675 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,560 I do, but I wouldn't put it past her to have them. 1676 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,400 I don't think she doesn't know what a woman is. 1677 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,800 I think that was a political posture. 1678 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,000 I think she knows what a woman is. 1679 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,560 I forgot about that. You can't be. 1680 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,280 You can't be the first black female and not know what a 1681 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,240 female is. Well, maybe she's just like, I'm 1682 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,680 not stepping in this minefield because that that is a dangerous 1683 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,200 thing. I think we are in America. 1684 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,440 We're doing loyalty tests. I mean, I have had a lot of 1685 01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:27,520 people because, you know, I've been very publicly, very 1686 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,840 progressive my whole life. And like with the first time 1687 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,280 when I went on Glenn Beck or when I went on Tucker Carlson, 1688 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,600 like I lost business. Oh yeah, right. 1689 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:36,960 And people are like, how could you do this? 1690 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,960 I'm like, first of all, like, how does me going on with Glenn 1691 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,520 Beck mean that I identify with everything that Glenn stands 1692 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,560 for, which like some of it I do, some of it I don't, right? 1693 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,760 He's a journalist, right? Like, yes, he's not. 1694 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,680 He's an opinionated journalist. Like he brings an opinion. 1695 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,600 That's what he does, right? First of all, every journalist 1696 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,000 does, FYI. And to think they don't is just 1697 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,640 like a farce. But like also, but I also say to 1698 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,720 them like, I'm, you know, Glenn is willing to hear my story and 1699 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,760 so was Tucker. And the thing I say to people 1700 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,280 now, like, isn't it interesting to you that you think these guys 1701 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,760 are conspiracy theorists? I was right. 1702 01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:15,760 DOJ said I was right and they were the only journalists 1703 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,280 because you were not a journalist at the beginning when 1704 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,200 I started this. So like, no, but like that, that 1705 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,480 had me on. That had me on. 1706 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,120 You go where the where the microphone is. 1707 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,680 If you need to tell your story and people need to get, you 1708 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,480 can't do it by yourself. Fighting for your family, would 1709 01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:33,400 you be like, sorry little girls, sorry my daughters, I couldn't 1710 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,360 go on Tucker Carlson. So daddy went to prison. 1711 01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:37,040 Like I'm not doing that. No. 1712 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,440 And I think that like, listen, I agree with some of what Tucker 1713 01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:40,600 says. I disagree with some of what he 1714 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,440 says. But I think it's super important 1715 01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:45,120 to have voices like Tucker Carlson out there questioning 1716 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,320 the status quo question, making people question, you know, 1717 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,400 everything because I don't think I don't see it happening a lot 1718 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,520 of places anymore, right? And like. 1719 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,920 Skepticism is a very American position. 1720 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,560 I mean, I got in a battle with the Seattle Times recently 1721 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,120 because so the Seattle Times like barely wrote about what 1722 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,520 Amazon did to my family, which I think is bananas because my 1723 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,680 husband was like a Seattle employee and there's over a 1724 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,360 million Amazon employees in Seattle. 1725 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,000 It's an awful lot more money coming in from Amazon. 1726 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,160 To Seattle. But like, I mean, quite simply, 1727 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,480 Amazon tried to put my husband in prison for something a 1728 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,920 federal judge said my husband's employment contract explicitly 1729 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,560 allowed him to do, and we had to spend millions of dollars 1730 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,560 proving Amazon wrong. So weird. 1731 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,760 Anyway, so Seattle Times, I guess it's like, not newsworthy, 1732 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,320 but they actually said to me recently that the last article 1733 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,720 they wrote about it, they said, well, like, the DOJ vacated 1734 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,080 these guilty pleas, but Carl Nelson could still be charged 1735 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,760 with a crime. And I was like, I just wrote an 1736 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,680 e-mail. I was like, what are you doing? 1737 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,840 Like the prosecutor said they're done. 1738 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,800 They said in a public filing, they said it privately, like, 1739 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,120 they're done. This is over. 1740 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:51,400 And they were like, well, we think that the judge's decision 1741 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,560 in Amazon civil case made DOJ walk away and Amazon's 1742 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,800 appealing. So if Amazon wins, the DOJ could 1743 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,280 charge your husband. And I was like, so you're you 1744 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,320 the Seattle Times, your public position is that you believe 1745 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,560 Amazon can convince the DOJ to can charge my husband with a 1746 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,800 crime through civil litigation. OK. 1747 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,240 I mean, at least you're open about it. 1748 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,080 At least you admit it like. I don't know how many times I've 1749 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,120 thrown my hands up while we've been talking, but I'm realizing 1750 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,680 I've been throwing my hands up a lot because it's so crazy. 1751 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,280 So. Crazy, it's so crazy, but here's 1752 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,400 the upside. I do think there's an upside one 1753 01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,440 number one, I'm so thankful that prayers are have been answered 1754 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:29,760 that your family was victorious in this. 1755 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,080 I know that it's still really raw because I can see it on your 1756 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,880 face. I can see the emotion there for 1757 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,600 me if like I I know that elation often results also in just sort 1758 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,080 of like meltdown moments where you're just like you're like, 1759 01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:43,840 what the hell just happened? Like it's like people that like 1760 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,600 imagine for folks that are not have never felt this. 1761 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,320 Everybody who's ever been in a moment where your car lost grip 1762 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,200 with the road, hydroplane or ice and you're just spinning and 1763 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,480 you're literally in the hands that are not yours, you're not 1764 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:01,520 in charge. It's Jesus take the wheel moment 1765 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,880 where it's like I'm flying across the world at a high rate 1766 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,480 of speed. There's an incredible thing at 1767 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:07,800 stake. It's my children in the car. 1768 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,440 It's the property of the value of the thing that I'm in my own 1769 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,680 safety. And then you stop and you didn't 1770 01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,640 hit a guard rail and you went over like a bunch of stuff, but 1771 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,760 like there's no damage to the car. 1772 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,280 You didn't even like pop a tire. And you're sitting there in the 1773 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,840 middle of the median or something going like, holy shit, 1774 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,760 what just happened? And you see and like all the 1775 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,600 people that drive by, you are really slow going like holy 1776 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,000 shit, like what just happened to her And everybody can see it. 1777 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,240 That's the moment that you're in right now. 1778 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,800 I feel like is that is that the face that I'm seeing? 1779 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,560 It's the holy shit. You're sitting there in the 1780 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,400 median and like the engine's still idling. 1781 01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,040 Yeah, And I'm like, did this really happen? 1782 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,040 Did we survive this like that? Holy shit. 1783 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,720 And everybody who's around it saw it too. 1784 01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,480 And they're all like, Oh my God. Yeah. 1785 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,560 The problem is that everybody else just drives to their house 1786 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,720 and parks and goes like, well I saw that crazy thing today. 1787 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,360 Yep, back to my normal life. Yeah, and you're sitting there 1788 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,600 like my entire life was almost just gone forever. 1789 01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,560 Everything almost just changed. I don't know how to pick up the 1790 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,520 pieces. And like, I also still am 1791 01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,880 somebody who seeks justice and like, we're seeking justice, you 1792 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,080 know? Yeah, you can't. 1793 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,720 You can't not be furious. Your life is forever altered. 1794 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,240 Forever. I mean, my kids like, Ohio is a 1795 01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,560 wonderful place and we live in Ohio now and my kids are growing 1796 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,000 up here. But this is not where I would 1797 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,400 have selected to raise my children. 1798 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,680 We were raising them in Seattle, where we owned a home that we no 1799 01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,680 longer own and own. And someone else is raising 1800 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,160 their family there. We worked so hard to build, you 1801 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,280 know, and you're just like, it's. 1802 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,440 Yeah. I mean, yeah, like even though 1803 01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:36,720 we won, Amazon dictated the terms of my life and they still 1804 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,240 do even today. And I'm not. 1805 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:39,960 That's not OK. And I can't stand for it. 1806 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,480 I won't. So, and that's the best part 1807 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:45,600 about it for you, but no matter what, you will never be able to 1808 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,160 go down that same path with that same carefree attitude, with 1809 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,080 that same sense of you. You'll never even be able to 1810 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,960 take risks in the same way. No, I mean, it's really like 1811 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,920 we've talked about leaving the country and living somewhere 1812 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,480 else because I think there's there's a. 1813 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,000 When you realize that at any given moment, the federal 1814 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,480 government can just walk into your life and take every take 1815 01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:13,640 everything, it's it's just hard to feel safe. 1816 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,480 It's hard to believe. You can build. 1817 01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:18,800 It's hard to it's hard to believe, right. 1818 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,520 And so, you know, yeah, we will take risks in different ways. 1819 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,520 But I but I will say, and I think my husband would say this, 1820 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,120 like we'll never let what happened to us define our lives 1821 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,920 forever, right? Like, the most important thing 1822 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,160 for us is to make sure that Amazon doesn't do this to anyone 1823 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,560 else and the DOJ doesn't do this to anyone else. 1824 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,680 And So what does that look like? Those are the two questions. 1825 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,280 What is what do those look like? And then also, like, I want my 1826 01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,480 daughters more than anyone to be compensated, whatever that looks 1827 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:43,720 like because they deserve to be right? 1828 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:44,640 Like, it's not. And. 1829 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:48,640 What a what a people might call it conservative, but it's just 1830 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,480 an American sense. It's a Western civilization 1831 01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:52,840 sense. Women and children, they're the 1832 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,120 ones that we're supposed to protect. 1833 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,040 Yeah. Once you've made babies in the 1834 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,440 world, your job is to protect them. 1835 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:59,160 That's your sole purpose. If you have to give your life 1836 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,680 for it, so be it. There's a Western and and men do 1837 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,920 it over in front of women. That's what's always happened. 1838 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,040 There's nothing wrong with this this order of things. 1839 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,120 Well, and it's like, you know, it's like people. 1840 01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,480 So you know this Kyle, but like 2 years into this, I started a 1841 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,160 TikTok because I felt like nobody was listening to me. 1842 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,520 And I just like thought TikTok was a dancing app, but I started 1843 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,160 watching it and I'm like, there's some people like talking 1844 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,880 into their, their phones and putting videos up. 1845 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,560 So I started a TikTok and I didn't even ask Carl's lawyers. 1846 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,600 I was like, I'm just doing this. And I have 200,000 followers now 1847 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,680 who watch our story every day. And someone asked me. 1848 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,080 And it's like a lot of like legal intricacies, but people 1849 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:38,240 are interested in it. And someone asked me why I 1850 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,080 started the TikTok. And the reason I started the 1851 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,320 TikTok is that inevitably my daughters are going to grow up 1852 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,040 and they're going to Google our family and what happened to us. 1853 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,920 And all I want is a record that they know that I did every 1854 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,840 single thing I could to fight because when I started it, I 1855 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,560 didn't know if their dad was going to prison, you know? 1856 01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,160 And like, I was like, I want them to know that I I did 1857 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,240 everything I could to help their dad. 1858 01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:01,640 And our memories are not perfect. 1859 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:02,720 They're really bad. Actually. 1860 01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,000 We're really bad at looking back and trying to remember like 1861 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,200 where I was. I, I literally like we're doing 1862 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,640 this today on March 5th. So, you know, Full disclosure, 1863 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,480 we'll play this in a week. I'm doing this on March 5th and 1864 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:19,480 one two years ago today, I was allowed to go back into the FB 1865 01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:22,760 is field office because they changed the mask rules because 1866 01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,240 Joe Biden wanted to have the state of the Union and not have 1867 01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,320 like he didn't want to have people having to wear masks if 1868 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,800 they didn't want to and have people refuse. 1869 01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,880 So he removed for a political reason that had nothing to do 1870 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,040 with me. I was allowed to go back into my 1871 01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,760 office and then my office went, oh shit, Seraphin's back. 1872 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,520 What do we do? They thought I was gone. 1873 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,080 Amy, I was kicked out from November 23rd of 2021 until 1874 01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:49,400 March 4th of 2022. Imagine being gone from your job 1875 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,800 and then nobody calling you and no one asking like what happens? 1876 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,640 And then like the rules changed and I showed up with with no 1877 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:55,800 warning. I was like, I'm back. 1878 01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,200 I sent an e-mail to my boss and said hey, the rules changed. 1879 01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,000 I'm coming to work. And he was like, oh, they 1880 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,760 immediately transferred me to another squad. 1881 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,720 They immediately started taking action against me. 1882 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,480 They immediately were like scrambling because they thought 1883 01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:10,080 they'd accidentally, they thought they had done the thing 1884 01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,400 from office space where they solved the glitch and I didn't 1885 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,440 get a pay like I was I was Milton and I wasn't coming back 1886 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:15,960 anymore. I was down in the basement and 1887 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,120 like suddenly I just showed back up at my old desk and they're 1888 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,680 like, my boss comes to me. He goes, well, we've transferred 1889 01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,560 you from this squad to another squad and you are now in a 1890 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,240 national security squad, even though you don't have to read 1891 01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,280 and you can't even do the work. We put you there so. 1892 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,800 So did you just like walk? I mean, did you what did you do? 1893 01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,720 I just. Took my I just took my shit and 1894 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,520 I went to the new desk. I had everything at home 1895 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,080 already. I already knew this was coming. 1896 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,840 So I literally set up my new desk in a place and then for six 1897 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,480 weeks I had no work. They just sat me there trying to 1898 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:45,480 figure out what the hell to do, knowing they've done the wrong 1899 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:47,080 thing. But here's the thing, that was 1900 01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:48,760 two years ago. That was really recent. 1901 01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,680 You're talking about. Your story is 4 years. 1902 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,880 There are things that happened at the beginning that you can't 1903 01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,400 remember. Our first interview, that 1904 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,680 emotion, you can't recapture it. Yeah. 1905 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,440 So your kids get to go back and see that video. 1906 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,160 As awful as TikTok is, and TikTok is awful, for whatever 1907 01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,480 it's worth, it's Chinese spyware, but it's still. 1908 01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:04,640 Yeah. It's a record. 1909 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,080 And the other thing is like I'm, and I'm really lucky for this is 1910 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,480 because I was an entrepreneur. I talked to journalists a lot 1911 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,440 and there was an amazing woman named Liz Brody. 1912 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,240 And then like mid 2020, she was writing an article about one of 1913 01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,680 my investors and she reached out to me on e-mail and we started 1914 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,560 talking and I was telling her about my company, the Riveter, 1915 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,360 which had been decimated. But we were trying to pivot. 1916 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,640 And the Riveter is still alive today, just does something very 1917 01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,000 different. But, and Liz at the time said 1918 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,120 it'll be really interesting if you pull off this pivot, maybe 1919 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,720 we should like talk every three weeks or so and I can record it 1920 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,200 and then maybe there's an article down the road. 1921 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,200 So I have, and about like 2 months into it, I was like, so 1922 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,480 there's this thing I haven't told you about that's going on 1923 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:42,800 in my life. And I started telling her all 1924 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,200 about the Amazon stuff. And so we had. 1925 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:50,040 Liz has years of recordings of me at the moment. 1926 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,280 Contemporaneous recordings of your emotional state and. 1927 01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,800 I actually can't listen to them. I can read the transcripts, but 1928 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,920 I can't listen to them still. All these years later, I still 1929 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,400 can't listen to them because I'm like, that woman was in so much 1930 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,400 pain and I just want to hug her and it's me. 1931 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:06,520 Me. Yeah, me. 1932 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,000 It's you looking back yourself going like I came out the other 1933 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,040 end of this thing. Like I said, nobody else was in 1934 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,960 the car with you. Nobody else felt what that free 1935 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,520 fall was, just you and your husband and your kids. 1936 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:20,920 Nobody knows what sort of damage was done and then they're going 1937 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,920 to see the success, which is what you got. 1938 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,920 But it's it leaves a mark, you know? 1939 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,560 It really does. I mean, you've been through a 1940 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,760 lot, like you lost the career that you loved and like you've 1941 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,080 built something amazing in its place, but it's different and 1942 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,480 like, you know, it's. Totally different. 1943 01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,160 It's not even close. And here's the other thing, like 1944 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,840 I don't know how I don't know how this goes because this is 1945 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:46,560 this is uncharted territory too. You, you guys, at least I see 1946 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,480 what happened with you guys as sort of vindicating. 1947 01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:50,520 I'm hoping that they took that they did the same thing that 1948 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,240 they took their ball and they went home and they're not going 1949 01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,600 to come after me the same way that they but I still could go 1950 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:55,760 back into start from your square. 1951 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,320 One of the the door gets kicked open. 1952 01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,080 I know, I know. I don't worry about it as much 1953 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,600 anymore. I feel like I feel like we're on 1954 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,560 the swing. I feel like good is winning for 1955 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,160 now. Do you have that instinct? 1956 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:07,640 I do. I do. 1957 01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,240 And I also think like, I mean, I think that Trump will win. 1958 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,520 And I think it'll be really interesting to see what happens 1959 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,880 with the DOJ when Trump wins. He's got to gut it right. 1960 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:25,240 I mean, he says he's going to, I, I hope if he wins, I hope he 1961 01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,080 does the things, some of the things he says he'll do in terms 1962 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,320 of like reforming the government. 1963 01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,040 So you know. You know, my my buddy Steve 1964 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,800 friend and I talk about the best thing that could happen is 1965 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,800 pulling the guns away from the FBI and making them just an 1966 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,080 investigative agency that has to go to somebody else for 1967 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,280 enforcement and has to go to somebody else for prosecution. 1968 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,080 I mean, that would be great because I can tell you the scars 1969 01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,200 I have from the FBI raid in my home were the worst. 1970 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:48,760 Great. Like it was worse than the civil 1971 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,920 forfeiture was worse than everything. 1972 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,080 Yeah, nobody knows what that feels like to see the door come 1973 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,800 down or people come into your house. 1974 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,520 The second thing is, is that I've, I've advocated is that you 1975 01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,520 get rid of all the special agents. 1976 01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:58,400 I don't care what you do with them. 1977 01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,800 Honestly, I just don't care. I don't care what happens to the 1978 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,960 prison guards that worked at Auschwitz, and I don't care 1979 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,040 about what happened to the cops that rounded up shoes and put 1980 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,920 them in the box cars. And I don't care what happens to 1981 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,480 the FBI. There's some friends of mine 1982 01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:10,560 that are in there and they're good people. 1983 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,960 They'll land OK. I, I got no warning. 1984 01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,800 You know, I, I feel like they'll do OK or they won't and that'll 1985 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,920 be fine too. But what I'd love to see is 1986 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,720 local cops or state cops with 10 plus years of experience and a, 1987 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,000 and a great history of honorable service getting moved in, being 1988 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,160 accountable as federal deputies under Title 18 and Title 21 to 1989 01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,560 enforce and do the investigations. 1990 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,320 And that way they also have concurrent state powers. 1991 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,720 But that way they're accountable to an attorney general and state 1992 01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,240 laws, not federal. And then they can bring cases 1993 01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:39,960 and then US attorneys can bring it or not, I don't care. 1994 01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,000 That would make way more sense. I think that would that would 1995 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,320 make good sense. And if you look back in the 1996 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,400 origins of the FBI, like the first agents and the the people 1997 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,880 that really built the agency, the good parts of the agency, 1998 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,840 like they were state law enforcement, you know, like 1999 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,040 that's that was the background that they came from. 2000 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,600 And we're very, very disconnected from that now. 2001 01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,760 And so it's a very, you know, my husband always talks about how 2002 01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,440 like when they were performing the search warrant on our house, 2003 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:06,400 he was like talking to the FBI agents that were there. 2004 01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,480 And he's like, so like, what'd you do before this? 2005 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,760 And it was just like Wild and Sky was like, I was a bookkeeper 2006 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,400 and I was really bored. And. 2007 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,760 Now you it's like, so now you're an FBI agent with a gun in my 2008 01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:24,120 home over my honest services. Like it's like, that's the 2009 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:25,920 thing. It's like, I mean, it's such the 2010 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,240 drama, the drama of it, the drama of it, you know what I 2011 01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,120 mean? The like the, you know, I've 2012 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,960 told you this and this is still such a hard part, but like when 2013 01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,960 my husband would not plead guilty, the federal prosecutors 2014 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,040 kept saying that they were going to come into our home and arrest 2015 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,440 him in front of our kids just some morning. 2016 01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,920 And when that when they came for the search warrant, that's what 2017 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,480 we thought they were there for because they did search warrant 2018 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,360 like two months after they told him he was a target of an 2019 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,920 investigation, which made no sense. 2020 01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:02,480 And after that, you know, we would get up every morning at 2021 01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:05,040 like 5:30 and take the girls out of the house for two hours and 2022 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,280 put our baby monitor in our window that it was attached to 2023 01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,640 our phones. And then when we come back, we 2024 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,800 were just making sure they weren't there because we were so 2025 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,520 afraid that I just didn't want the girls to see their dad 2026 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,560 dragged out in handcuffs. They bring it up because the 2027 01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,880 theatrics of this are so ridiculous. 2028 01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,000 Like, my husband was accused of depriving his private employer 2029 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,160 of his honest services. And they're like, we're going to 2030 01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,560 come in guns a blazing and drag you out of your house. 2031 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,040 Like what? Well, how does that make sense? 2032 01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:32,920 Like, I don't like, I don't like Rodger Stone. 2033 01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,240 I don't like Rodger Stone. OK, but like, he was like a 70 2034 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,800 year old man. No violent history. 2035 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,480 And they like they sent frogmen into the water behind his house 2036 01:29:43,480 --> 01:29:45,000 when they raided his home to arrest him. 2037 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,800 Like for what? Because it's a game. 2038 01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,520 Like we don't live in a game. We live in the real world. 2039 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,840 And like that those kind of theatrics are ridiculous. 2040 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,000 And I found. Out that we actually do live in 2041 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,240 a game. Yeah, I mean, it does feel that 2042 01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:58,400 way. Like those theatrics are just 2043 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,280 ridiculous. Just ridiculous. 2044 01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,120 There's no way around it. I'm anybody that gets exposed to 2045 01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,600 this stuff immediately. I mean, I I'm guessing you have 2046 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,560 some sympathy for Steve Baker walking around for a misdemeanor 2047 01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,480 crime. He's in, he's in belly shackles. 2048 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,760 He's. I mean, 100% I do, 100% I do, 2049 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:17,680 right? Like, it's just, it's 2050 01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,880 ridiculous. And it's like he's putting on a 2051 01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:24,080 very brave face and public face. But like, you know, that is a 2052 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,640 terrifying experience. Do you know what the 2053 01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,320 differences? Can I, can I tell you the 2054 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,400 difference? Which I don't know that I've 2055 01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,800 discussed in any way. I I talked to George Hill, my 2056 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,960 friend the other day who's a, a former. 2057 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,360 He's a combatant. OK, You're a combatant. 2058 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,520 You didn't know you were before this, but you were. 2059 01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,120 You're always a combatant. Would you agree? 2060 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,720 Yeah, I would. I've never been tested. 2061 01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,520 But you're a combatant by, by your, by the type of disposition 2062 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,120 you have. You would be the kind of person 2063 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,760 that would engage. Many people have the ability to 2064 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:54,880 dis, like their instinct is to disconnect. 2065 01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,120 Mine is to engage. I'm a combatant, you're a 2066 01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,480 combatant. We're fair game. 2067 01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:00,440 But you know. What? 2068 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,760 It's it's unfair that we were, that we had to engage here, but 2069 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,120 it is our nature to do what we're doing, what you and I. 2070 01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,800 Are doing yes, yes, I engage yeah, that's right. 2071 01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:10,760 That's I. I dig in. 2072 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,400 Like, I didn't pick the battle, but I'm going to finish it kind 2073 01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:14,720 of thing. Like I didn't want him to have 2074 01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,880 this fight, but OK, game on. Will Bill Shipley, who's been 2075 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,600 defending a lot of J Sixers, has that same combatant attitude. 2076 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,200 He just published a piece over the Blaze called. 2077 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,800 It's called Game On. I'll read it. 2078 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,800 OK. That's the way that that you and 2079 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,480 I are built. And that's probably why we get 2080 01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:32,280 along really well. Also, we're very, you know, we 2081 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,440 see the injustice of it. And even if we don't agree with 2082 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:36,800 the what justice looks like, we would at least want to have that 2083 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,160 honest debate. Right. 2084 01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,680 But. But Steve Baker is not a 2085 01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:47,040 combatant. You know, this is this is where 2086 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,360 it spills over. Yeah. 2087 01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:50,640 That's a really good way of looking at that. 2088 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,800 There's another target who I won't name in Amazon's 2089 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,440 investigation who is not a combatant. 2090 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,840 And watching him go through this and like, he stood firm, but 2091 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,360 like, he couldn't speak up. He couldn't, you know, like 2092 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,360 fight outwardly because he's couldn't. 2093 01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,600 He was paralyzed by it, I think in a lot of ways, you know. 2094 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,400 There's three things that happened in the sympathetic 2095 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:09,800 responses. There's three possibilities. 2096 01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,600 The outcomes are fight, flight and freeze. 2097 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,520 Two of them are active. One of them is passive 2098 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,640 combatants involved in either fighting or flighting because 2099 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,080 running away is a good strategy sometimes and getting involved 2100 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,640 is another good strategy. But freezing is the most common 2101 01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,880 thing we see in our in in one. It's non combatants all freeze. 2102 01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,600 Yeah. Yeah, well, it's interesting. 2103 01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,000 I I when it started, I froze. I lost 20 lbs and I couldn't 2104 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,920 stop shaking. And my mother, who is like the 2105 01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,360 strongest person I've ever met, she Facetimed me, you know, 2106 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:38,960 sitting in the bathroom floor hiding. 2107 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,680 And it'd been about 3 weeks. And she just on FaceTime, she 2108 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:43,960 looked at me and she goes get up. 2109 01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,080 She's like, this is not my daughter. 2110 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,600 She's like, get up and fight. And I was like, I don't know if 2111 01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,440 I can fight. She's like, I don't know if you 2112 01:32:52,440 --> 01:32:54,000 can win, but I know you can fight. 2113 01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,360 She's like, you got to go down swinging. 2114 01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,000 Amy, what are you doing? And at that moment, I just was 2115 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,800 like, OK, I'm in, right. But I think I was just, it says 2116 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,320 a lot that it took me down to my knees because I am, I am like, I 2117 01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,440 am someone who engages. I'm a litigator like I, I'm born 2118 01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:09,800 to fight. Like I chose a profession of 2119 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,000 fighting. But like it, it was so scary 2120 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,840 that I just like went down. People always think that, you 2121 01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,000 know, if something bad happens to me, then I'll win. 2122 01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,440 I'll, I'll, I'll, I got all this training and experience. 2123 01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,080 There's a reason why if you ambush Navy Seals, Navy Seals 2124 01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,440 die, OK? These are people that spend 2125 01:33:26,440 --> 01:33:28,920 their entire life with physical fitness and being combatants. 2126 01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,520 That's so all they, they yearn for that battle space. 2127 01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,720 Anybody who's ever trained around guys like this know what 2128 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,320 I'm talking about. But if you get caught when you 2129 01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,000 are not in that space, there's Jeff Cooper's. 2130 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,800 He's the father of like modern handgun technique. 2131 01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,760 He's a former special forces guy worked down in Latin America, a 2132 01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,040 bunch in in South America. And one of the things that he 2133 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,240 talks about are the colors awareness. 2134 01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,120 There's white, there's yellow, there's orange, there's red, and 2135 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,080 there's black. And in white, that means you're 2136 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,040 so blissfully unaware the world is beautiful. 2137 01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:57,760 And then if something bad happens to you, you die. 2138 01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,040 Yellow means you know that there's danger, but it's not 2139 01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,120 near you, but you're aware that it exists. 2140 01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,000 And if something happens in yellow and you can't escalate, 2141 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,880 you die. Most people who are like you and 2142 01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,120 me probably live in the orange, which means that we know there's 2143 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,120 danger and it's probably anywhere, but if it comes up, 2144 01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,000 I'm going to have to escalate. But right now I'm like 2145 01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,480 moderately safe. And then there's people who live 2146 01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:16,800 in the red, those people burnout. 2147 01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,400 That means that there's imminent danger and the next thing that 2148 01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,320 happens is like lethality or attack mode. 2149 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,000 I'm going to, I'm ready to fight at all times. 2150 01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:24,480 You can only live in the red for so long. 2151 01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:25,760 And then there's people get in the black. 2152 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,000 They're overwhelmed by circumstances. 2153 01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,080 They've been in the red, they've been fought, they fought too 2154 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,080 long and they, they basically get everything hits them at once 2155 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,480 and they just, they're done. And we've got a lot of people 2156 01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,600 that are non combatants now that are living in like the red and 2157 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,040 the orange and it's exhausting if you're not built for it. 2158 01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,200 And most people freeze and eventually some people are 2159 01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,000 overwhelmed by circumstances. They can no longer do it. 2160 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,040 They melt down. I see a lot of people that made 2161 01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,960 sense and stop making sense in the last couple years because 2162 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,680 they were like, I don't trust anything. 2163 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,720 And now everything I believe is true. 2164 01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,600 And that's why there are Jewish space lasers that are melting 2165 01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,720 down Hawaii or whatever other crazy shit people believe in. 2166 01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,000 It's it's the worst thing that's ever happened to our society in 2167 01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,840 Western society, certainly in in recent memory. 2168 01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,880 And we're all living through it. I'm just really happy to see 2169 01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:14,360 that your family you get another shot at it and this is like the 2170 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:18,800 like the best news that when I saw it that they had vacated 2171 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,520 like that's a total victory for you it. 2172 01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,600 It was like I didn't, I, I, I hoped for it. 2173 01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:29,120 I believed it, but it was wild. And we found out about it on the 2174 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,160 public docket. Like, it wasn't like the DOJ 2175 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:32,880 reached out. We found about it, out about it, 2176 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,240 as the public did. Of course. 2177 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,440 God forbid they would reach out and like the kindness to tell us 2178 01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:38,960 they were doing that, no? They don't have that what? 2179 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,120 What color do you guys live in right now on that color 2180 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,320 awareness? Where have you gone from? 2181 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,400 Well, I'm in orange still. I mean orange like orange like 2182 01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,600 I'm not. I can't live in constant fight. 2183 01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,480 I can't live in red. I can't right. 2184 01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:51,280 Like I have to like I can't enjoy my kids. 2185 01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,200 I can't laugh. It's like I just refuse to live 2186 01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:54,320 in red. Like it's not. 2187 01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,160 There are moments where I'm still triggered into red, like I 2188 01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:04,520 was sitting my desk looks out a window and I get up really early 2189 01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,200 at work because I work from like 5 to 7 before and then get the 2190 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,520 kids ready for school and take them to school and walk the dog. 2191 01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,640 And I was sitting here and it was pitch black and a car drove 2192 01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,880 into a driveway like 6:00 in the morning. 2193 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,840 And I just like, you know, and it was, it was Walmart 2194 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:21,680 delivering a package because I don't order from Amazon. 2195 01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:26,320 It was Walmart, but like, but it was, I mean, I was, I was, I was 2196 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:31,160 panicked and it took a much, I'm much more capable now of like a 2197 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,920 regulating back down, you know, like no one's coming to get you 2198 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,080 today. Everything is OK, you know, and 2199 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,400 I no longer like I used to when I would go walk the dog alone, I 2200 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,880 would tell Carl where I was going, where I would because 2201 01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:46,320 it's what's scary. It's scary, right? 2202 01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:47,840 Like Jeff Bezos hires former Spooks. 2203 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,160 He talks about it all the time. Like, these people are capable, 2204 01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,080 you know, and they don't. And they're very angry at us. 2205 01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,840 Yeah, and ambushes are a technique that everybody is 2206 01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,480 susceptible to. Ambush, that's what. 2207 01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,160 That's why ambushes are successful. 2208 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,440 Yeah, I mean, like, I know how to shoot a gun now. 2209 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,640 Like I learned that over the last four years. 2210 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,800 Like, I, I shoot very well, right? 2211 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,400 You know, like I learned. Like these are the things, you 2212 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,240 know, you learn. I changed. 2213 01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,520 But I live in orange, not red. I'm happy to hear it. 2214 01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,200 We're going to get you one of our we'll get maybe two of them, 2215 01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,440 the suspendables pens if if your husband wants to wear it. 2216 01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,880 Yeah, I would love them. I was jealous we were you. 2217 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,280 Can't, you can't buy the black ones. 2218 01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:23,560 We send those to people that need them. 2219 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,040 So we're going to send you guys some of those. 2220 01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,720 But if you guys want some of the white ones, we'll get a couple 2221 01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:27,520 of those as well. But. 2222 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,440 I was listening to Glenn back yesterday and I didn't know 2223 01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:31,800 Steve was going to be on. And I was. 2224 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,880 I was listening to Steve and I was jealous of Glenn's 2225 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,960 suspendable pen. So thank you very much. 2226 01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,280 We'll make it happen. The Riveter is back up and 2227 01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,600 running. Yes, So what we do now at the 2228 01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,040 Riveter is we no longer have our Co working spaces that we work 2229 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,920 with women and professional women to help them tell their 2230 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,160 stories into the world. I believe storytelling can save 2231 01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:53,560 your life. I think it saved my life. 2232 01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,520 I you know, I think like you're a storyteller, Kyle. 2233 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,720 It's incredibly important and for women, it can help you 2234 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,320 advance in your career or if you want to start a business or if 2235 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,200 you want to go back to work if you've been out for a while. 2236 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:04,960 So we help women tell their stories. 2237 01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,440 And then your Twitter following is still acceptable. 2238 01:38:08,440 --> 01:38:10,280 It's nowhere near your TikTok, but I think that's where the 2239 01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,280 battle is The the battle's on Twitter for me. 2240 01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,120 So there's. Your I love Twitter. 2241 01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:15,800 Twitter is my Twitter don't tell TikTok. 2242 01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:17,760 But Twitter is my favorite because it's just like I like 2243 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,560 the it's, it's, it's written word, it's smart, it's 2244 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,560 interesting, it's. Snarky and cerebral. 2245 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,520 If people stop doing snarky tweets, we probably could cure 2246 01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,960 cancer. But because there's so much 2247 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,560 cleverness out there, all right, I'm going to throw your your 2248 01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,960 handle up here. But it's Amy under score K under 2249 01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,600 score Nelson and. That's where it is on all 2250 01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:35,800 channels. So it's TikTok as well. 2251 01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:37,200 Well, if anyone's on that platform. 2252 01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,120 And did you see, I have to know, Kyle, did you see that Instagram 2253 01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,600 and the Meta went down today because it's Election Day and 2254 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,520 Meta went down a global, global adage. 2255 01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,640 We don't believe in coincidences at this point in our lives, do 2256 01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:50,800 we? No, we do not. 2257 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,840 I don't believe in space lasers either necessarily. 2258 01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,680 I don't, I don't either. But yeah. 2259 01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,840 But yeah, I thought that was really, that was really 2260 01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,080 interesting. I'm like, OK, so yes. 2261 01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:01,960 All right, we will play this in a couple days. 2262 01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:05,000 And I'm so happy for your story and I really appreciate you 2263 01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,480 being my friend and coming on and talking to us about it and 2264 01:39:07,480 --> 01:39:09,520 sharing it and being vulnerable with it because I know that is a 2265 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,000 vulnerability. And if people can follow you, 2266 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,640 all those places, all of our prayers for your family going 2267 01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:15,840 on, and we'll get those pins your way home. 2268 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,200 Thank you so much. Thank you. 2269 01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:20,600 Thanks Amy. And that is our Sunday sit down 2270 01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:25,400 with Amy Nelson archive grab best of look forward to the the 2271 01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,000 next update. It won't be nearly as positive, 2272 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,600 but God bless her and her family. 2273 01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,080 God bless you and your family. Thanks for listening. 2274 01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,960 On these days, if you guys want to join us live for the Kyle 2275 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,600 Seraphin Show, 0930 Eastern Time, 8:30 Central. 2276 01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,680 Every Monday through Friday, we talk politics. 2277 01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:46,680 We hopefully pull back the curtain just a little bit and 2278 01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,800 more importantly, we definitely have a laugh. 2279 01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,840 At least I do. I have a laugh and it seems like 2280 01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,080 our check gets along with the 2. So you can join us live or you 2281 01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:54,800 can join us taped. 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