1 00:00:03,280 --> 00:00:08,320 We needed more people to speak up and until we have more heroes 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,920 than cowards in this nation, we are quickly going to find 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,600 ourselves back there. I mean, I keep saying this, 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,320 we're in a high speed wobble right now. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,240 Like what happens if Governor Newscom gets elected in four 6 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:21,960 years is what is he going to weaponize the DOJ? 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Like what's that going to look like? 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,760 You probably be arrested. You're going to have HRT kick it 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,840 in your door. And they probably won't won't, 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,960 they'll be like, they probably won't care to, to put handcuffs 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,280 on you, right? So that's, that's what I'm 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,320 saying. I need Americans and patriots 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,120 need to stand up. Christians need to stand up and 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:48,240 we need to stand in truth. Now all interviewers have their 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,600 own style. And my style is to try to get to 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,240 the point and to be intensely curious. 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,000 And the key to interviewing? Is listening. 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,520 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower and 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,319 uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,800 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,720 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender and recovering FBI 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,240 agent Kyle Seraph. Well, hello, my friends. 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Welcome to the Sunday sit down. 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So here we go. 75 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,680 My guest today in studio were making a rare exception to try 76 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,440 to do this live. It's Mark Abraham, and he's 77 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,560 going to tell you some wild story in addition to looking 78 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,560 like a Mexican gardener who just snuck in here. 79 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,440 Did they pick you up at Home Depot on the way? 80 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,280 My friend, I knew it. I knew this. 81 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,640 It was the vanity. It was going to come out. 82 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,840 It was going to come out right away. 83 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,280 So, buddy, you got a wild story. I don't think a lot of people 84 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,560 know it. I think that you found yourself 85 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,200 in a space where you had to kind of keep it on the DL for a bit. 86 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,240 Why don't you tell people, let's start with where you grew up. 87 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,640 Let's get, let's get, let's start at the beginning. 88 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:07,520 Yeah, So my mother escaped Communist Cuba and she did 33 89 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,240 years of government service as ADOD civilian. 90 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,240 She was in the Pentagon on 9/11, went back the next day in high 91 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,200 heels to give those terrorists what they deserve. 92 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:21,000 And she instilled in all of us that we have a debt to this 93 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,480 country and that freedom isn't free. 94 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:29,680 And so my brother, who's a current FBI agent now, my sister 95 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,200 joined the Navy. She was an insane SWO. 96 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,520 My brother went Army, eventually Army special operations and then 97 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,080 a federal agent. I followed my brother into the 98 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Army. I was an Army Intel officer and 99 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,120 my last unit was 20th Special Forces group. 100 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,280 And my then I followed him into federal law enforcement. 101 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,840 And instead of being an FBI agent, because I just thought 102 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:53,520 they're a bunch of analysts with guns who doctor up three O twos, 103 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,160 I joined the DEA and I I saw that fentanyl opioid pandemic 104 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,800 was killing about 100 to 120 thousand Americans. 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,240 And if I really wanted to protect Americans, I'd, I'd 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,040 fight, you know, go join the premier agency to fight that 107 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,240 with the Drug Enforcement Administration. 108 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,640 And yeah. And so, but my father was a 109 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Coptic Orthodox Christian who fled persecution in Egypt. 110 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,280 And he was an Air Force Mig pilot and came here and met my 111 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,200 mom in Jersey and the rest was history. 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,080 So you grew up in New Jersey? No, I grew up in Florida and 113 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,880 then Virginia. I was born in Florida and then 114 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,880 and then raised in Virginia, Northern Virginia. 115 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,760 Let me let me see if you can clear something up for me. 116 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,160 The rumor at Quantico is, is that all DEA trainees and all 117 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,880 FBI trainees have one thing in common. 118 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,480 You know what that is? I know. 119 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,240 They all want to be FBI occasions. 120 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,880 OK. All I know is we spend a lot 121 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,800 more day on on the range and on combatives than you guys do. 122 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,680 So I'll just leave. Yeah. 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,040 No, I, I had AI had a funny experience watching that. 124 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,800 I watched the guys from the DEA jogging around. 125 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,680 They looked bigger, fitter, stronger, more militant and kind 126 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,520 of doing, you know, guide on bearing, you know, drill and 127 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,400 things like this, like paramilitary tile stuff. 128 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,880 And then you saw people in and on my side of the Quantico base 129 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,360 and they were all kind of like doing like a gaggle everywhere 130 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,320 they went. And it was kind of. 131 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,920 It's kind of horrible. I mean I would just cruise the 132 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,240 FBI holes looking for chicks to date so. 133 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,880 That wasn't that was successful at some. 134 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,960 Point I did, yeah. I dated a couple FBI agents. 135 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,560 Females. Females. 136 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,920 It's a good thing you clarify that even though it is 2025 and 137 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,280 we are going back to saying gay and retarded again, it doesn't 138 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:36,520 mean some people are not both of those things. 139 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,840 Yeah. Let's get let's get into the 140 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,600 story where your life goes awry, because it's certainly did. 141 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,000 How long were you with the the DEA before January 6th? 142 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,280 I mean, if you include the Academy and everything, it was, 143 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,760 it was just under about two years, OK. 144 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,440 So yeah, I was, I went to, it was an agent first in DC and 145 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,520 then I got sent out to Orange County, California. 146 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,640 And how long were you with the military, in whatever 147 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,200 capacities? 10 years. 148 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,480 Ten years and so, so about 12 years of military service prior 149 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,680 to, I'm sorry, of government service total prior to January 150 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,080 6th. Yeah, and not including ROTC, 151 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,560 Yeah, which is my real service to America. 152 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,640 It's showing up and dealing with it, dealing with that. 153 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Let's talk about that day because I know it changed your 154 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,200 life. It probably changed your family 155 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,560 experience in a big way. Lay it on me. 156 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,840 Just what were you doing there? What what made you show up on 157 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,600 that day and what was your capacity as far as official? 158 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Who were you employed by and where and all that kind of 159 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,920 stuff? Yeah, so after I I'm still in 160 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,880 the service. I was an FBI source of 161 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,600 information or informant, I don't know, however they 162 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,160 classified me, but I was finding terrorist cells, ISIS cells 163 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,600 specifically in the United States and in Iraq and Syria. 164 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,960 And while I was overseas, I ran into an FBI informant named 165 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Jorge Chalcedilla, who was, you know, we were in Iraq together 166 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,840 and then we, he's Cuban and we became friends and, you know, he 167 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,560 suffered from PTSD and a couple other things, was trying to help 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,360 mentor him out of his depression and whatever. 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,480 And so he came and lived with me and I was just trying to help 170 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,040 him out. But then he got, you know, his 171 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,320 FBI handlers reached out to him and got him doing a bunch of 172 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,840 white supremacy militia group type work. 173 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,840 And they sent him out to Cliven Bundy standoff, a bunch of 174 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,480 militia standoffs. And he was the one who told me 175 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,679 initially about J6 and he was like, hey Mark, I'm going to J6, 176 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,600 would you mind picking me up from the airport and taking me 177 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,600 there? He knew that I was armed and I 178 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,240 could protect him and all that jazz. 179 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,680 So I told my brother about it, who is an active credentialed 180 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:50,880 FBI agent at the time. And so me, my DEA credentialed 181 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,200 agent, my brother who is a credentialed FBI agent and this 182 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,800 FBI informant all went to the J6 rally. 183 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,080 I asked him, are you working? And he said yes. 184 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,680 I said, well, show me the text message from your handler, like 185 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:06,240 the the tasking, if you will. And he showed me it. 186 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,680 And I was like, OK, that he said collect as much information as 187 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,280 you can, be safe. And I said, OK, that's good 188 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,080 enough for me. And so we we walked around and 189 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,160 we got there. And you know, if I saw anything 190 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,040 violent against officers, I would have absolutely acted. 191 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,600 I mean, you come after my brothers in blue, like I'll come 192 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,040 after you. And so we obviously I never saw 193 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,880 anything otherwise I would have arrested somebody. 194 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,560 And he said, Mark, I'm going to go in the building. 195 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,560 And I said, if you go in that building, I'm going to arrest 196 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,240 you or leave you here. It's like you drive someone to 197 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,160 the bank, like I'll be right back. 198 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,560 I'm going to rob the bank. It's like, no, like I'm being me 199 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,080 being a federal agent. I was like, I'm going to arrest 200 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,760 you if you go in that building. And I'm definitely not going to 201 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,280 be here if you go in that building. 202 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,120 And so he got angry and he did eventually go in that building. 203 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,480 I found out years later through some video, I was like, oh crap, 204 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:03,320 that's, that's Jorge. But anyways, and he got angry, 205 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,680 sold a story to Reuters for like $100,000 about a gun toting DEA 206 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,800 agent in the crowd. And you know, he tried to extort 207 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,360 me too. I mean, it's just, it's just, 208 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,520 it's insane. This the absolute insanity of 209 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,240 the story. You know, I, I linked up with 210 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:25,240 the WFO SWAT team, the FB is Washington field office SWAT 211 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,280 team out there. I was tight with a lot of these 212 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,600 dudes. I trained with some of them, 213 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,680 some of them were at my graduation from the DEA Academy 214 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,480 and they were out there and they're all massed up and kitted 215 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,320 up. And I recognize them from their 216 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,480 tactical numbers and, and on their patches and everything and 217 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,040 good friends, their team medic and, and sniper. 218 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,760 A very close friend of mine, my son's actually named after him 219 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,440 and good brother. And he walked up and I was like, 220 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,640 hey man, any way I can assist you? 221 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,200 Anything I can do they have their BearCat out there or their 222 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,200 tactical vehicle? And I said, I'll watch your 223 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,320 vehicle. If you need me to go on a stack. 224 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Anything I can do to help you, let me know. 225 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,440 We're here. And some, some people are 226 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,480 hackling them. Be like, you're who, who do you 227 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,320 defend? And you guys aren't patriots and 228 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,040 blah, blah. And I was like, these guys are 229 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,960 real Americans. They're patriots and they were 230 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,440 there and, and you know, in, in uniform, they weren't plain 231 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,400 clothes trying to rile up the crowd or anything. 232 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,160 And they were the ones who hadn't eventually shut down the 233 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Capitol building cause Capitol Police lost their heads after 234 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,200 opening the doors and letting everybody in. 235 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,880 The FBI SWAT team went in there and, and, and shut, shut the 236 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,000 showdown. And so they are American heroes, 237 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,480 man. And it's just, it's a shame that 238 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,840 there weren't more whistleblowers. 239 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,640 It's a shame that there weren't more brave agents to speak up 240 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,040 about the the BS that they saw that day. 241 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,400 But anyway, so Jorge sold the story to Reuters. 242 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Reuters ran the story. The DEA basically suspended me 243 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,080 three times for my role in January 6 and then fired me for 244 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,000 performance issues 'cause they thought they're being cute and 245 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,680 they weren't when violate my First Amendment right by firing 246 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,960 me for being at January 6. So that that's a wrong that 247 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,480 needs to be righted. But you don't leave on that day. 248 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,320 Yes, yeah, I was on leave. So you're allowed to do whatever 249 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,280 you want on your own time, Yeah. Absolutely. 250 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,880 But there's this weird little thing of people say off duty 251 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,760 agent. Agents aren't off duty. 252 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,440 You're either assigned a job, but you're always an agent. 253 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,240 That's why you fly armed. If you're on vacation, you still 254 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,800 fly armed. If there's a felony or a violent 255 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,720 crime happening in front of you, you're still expected to act. 256 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,920 We can be held criminally if we don't operate in a certain way, 257 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,640 right? And so there's no thing there 258 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,280 like off duty special agent was there. 259 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,480 It's like I'm always a special agent. 260 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,240 I'm always a credentialed agent. I always have arrest authority. 261 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,280 I always, I'm allowed to carry my gun, you know, and, and so 262 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,800 it, it was, it was just a, so anyways, they ran that article. 263 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,520 The DEA knew who I was. And so they didn't fire me 264 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,120 immediately. They, they tried to keep me on. 265 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,760 They're like, as long as you didn't go in the building or 266 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,400 hurt anybody, you're good. And I was like, I'm, I'm not a 267 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,520 criminal. I, I, you know, I would never do 268 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,720 anything like that. And so then I guess it just the, 269 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,640 the narrative with the, the administration and everything 270 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,480 and they end up firing me. I went on Tucker Carlson and 271 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,560 basically said, it's, it's a shame I lost my job. 272 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:22,600 I love my country. I've been blown up multiple 273 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,920 times. I have multiple TB is for my 274 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,800 service in this nation. And, you know, and then after I 275 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,240 went on Tucker and spoke up, that's when they indicted me and 276 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,840 they gag ordered me with my discovery and all this stuff. 277 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,960 And they're like, you can't talk about this and that. 278 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,760 And, and I was facing 16 years in prison. 279 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,040 Main reason why I didn't take a plea deal was because there's a 280 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,240 terrorist enhancement after everything I've done in Iraq and 281 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,560 everything I've done for my country and my mom being in the 282 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,280 Pentagon on 9/11 and, and the, the legacy of my siblings 283 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,760 serving in the, in the military and federal law enforcement. 284 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,040 And then now I, you know, I'm a terrorist, allegedly. 285 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,600 And so I was like, no, not doing that. 286 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:08,800 And, and thank God, I, I thank God Trump made promises made 287 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,240 promises kept. And I was actually going to go 288 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,960 to trial January 23rd and I was going to be convicted on January 289 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,720 23rd because I've sent so many motions and I knew how the judge 290 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:27,000 was going to respond. And so anyways, the judge signed 291 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:33,120 the dismissal on January 22nd at like 7:00 PM So God's rarely 292 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,320 early, but He's always on time. This is literally what, the day 293 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,600 before or the the. Night before, the night before, 294 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,280 yeah, I was like within 10 hours of yeah, within 10 hours of 295 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,800 going to trial and being convicted. 296 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,960 And it's crazy because I, I fought this tooth and nail. 297 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,560 I appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court. 298 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Supreme Court wouldn't hear it. I found in the code section, the 299 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Capitol Police, a code traffic code is like all duly appointed 300 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,960 federal agents are allowed to carry their weapons on Capitol 301 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,480 grounds. And the judge was like when in 302 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,960 performance of their duties and threw that away. 303 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,200 And then he made my crime a strict liability crime. 304 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,880 And he compared me to an individual with a hand grenade. 305 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,440 So he literally compared a terrorist with a hand grenade to 306 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,160 a federal agent carrying his firearm. 307 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,440 And I was, you know, so and I never went in the building. 308 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,600 I never heard anybody. He offered assistance to the 309 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,520 FBI. And this is just where this 310 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,600 narrative, it's so evil. There's no other word for it 311 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,840 other than it's evil. Like Jason R Higley, ADOJIG, 312 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,200 special agent, talked to the FBI SWAT team that day. 313 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,200 My buddy who's named after my kid, and he was like, did Mark? 314 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,880 Were you threatened by Mark's presence? 315 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,440 Did did Mark like, he's like, Nah, man, Mark's good to go. 316 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,600 He assisted us. People are yelling at us. 317 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,640 He offered assistance. We he, he, we have his personal 318 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,520 cell phone number. Mark's a great guy and he's 319 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,600 like, OK, like that doesn't fit my narrative. 320 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,080 Marks a domestic terrorist and white supremacist, even though 321 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,400 I'm Egyptian, Cuban and like I'm too confused to be a racist. 322 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,000 Like I'm like Egypt's in Africa. I'm Latino. 323 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,600 I don't, I don't even know what I look whitish, you know, like, 324 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,240 like, but but no, that was the thing. 325 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,360 White supremacist police white supremacist like tries to kill 326 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,600 Nancy Pelosi, blah blah is like is is absolute insanity. 327 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,400 And but everybody was convinced from the arresting agent to 328 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,240 Merrick Garland to the judges to everybody. 329 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,280 There was nobody who was like looking at this. 330 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,280 And it's like, why is the FBI doing no knock raids on 331 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,040 nonviolent misdemeanors? And Steve friend, like your 332 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,080 buddy who's he's like a hero of mine. 333 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,160 I mean, you're a personal hero of mine because that that's what 334 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,040 I'm saying. Like where are American heroes? 335 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Like where was like the SEAL team six guys, the FBI agent, 336 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,840 like HRT, where were where were the CAD guys who were speaking 337 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,720 up against all the BS that happened while we were losing 338 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,360 our democracy? And like you're legitimately, 339 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,560 you're a hero mine, brother. Like I respect you a lot because 340 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,760 you, you, you didn't put pension over principle. 341 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,640 You spoke you're like this is wrong and America needs to know 342 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,880 about it and and God bless you for it man, and I know God 343 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,359 rewards those who diligent seek him diligently seek him and and 344 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,800 you're seeking truth and so honestly, man, I'm I'm I'm proud 345 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,960 to be here today. So. 346 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,680 We're happy to have you in. I'm, I'm kind of more concerned. 347 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,680 I've always been concerned about the part of your story where 348 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 people knew you in my old office, like people that we 349 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,160 probably know in common. I spent a lot of time with the 350 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,360 SWAT team working as a, as an adjunct medic. 351 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,680 So I jump in with their with their vehicle convoys and go do 352 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,120 serve, you know, search warrants and what not. 353 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,440 So people that we know in common knew that you weren't a problem 354 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,280 and and yet they were fine with it. 355 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Let's how about let's get to the real heart of it, Your brother. 356 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,160 Yeah. Can we talk about what? 357 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,320 Like. Yeah. 358 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,880 So January 6th was kind of almost like a Civil War moment 359 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,440 in a lot of ways, that people divided, like households divided 360 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,520 over their interpretation of it in the same way that we look 361 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,520 back at 1861 and see, you know, Americans pick sides. 362 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,120 And I feel like that happened. You know, I, I keep saying this, 363 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:13,080 that the, the FBI agent is just filled with Nazis who are just 364 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,400 following orders. They're just guys just doing 365 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,600 their job, you know, and, and they try to shame us and say our 366 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,520 reputations were bad and this and that. 367 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,320 And it's like, it's just, it's just tragic that there weren't 368 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,480 more moral, brave federal agents who spoke up against the 369 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,720 injustices that were occurring under the Biden administration. 370 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,400 And my brother was a credentialed FBI 371 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,720 counterterrorism agent. And when the DOJ released all 372 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,200 these photos of me and photos of me and J6, they blacked out my 373 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,680 brother's face. And which meant to me either he 374 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,320 was working or something was going on that I wasn't 375 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,680 privileged to. And there's no other like I, 376 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,200 I've literally have watched hundreds of thousands of hours 377 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,720 of, of like of a lot of hours of, of J6 videos and pictures 378 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,080 and discovery. And I've never seen anyone's 379 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,520 face blacked out. And my brother's face was 380 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,120 blacked out. My brother wasn't offered a plea 381 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,000 deal. My brother wasn't offered a 382 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,880 cooperation deal. My brother wasn't reprimanded 383 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,880 for being there. And then he went on to go 384 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,560 investigate other J Sixers. And so it's like, and I'm not 385 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,800 hating on my brother. I just think it's just it's what 386 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,240 plagues the federal law enforcement agencies. 387 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,480 It's a pension over principle. I'm not losing my job over this. 388 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,840 And I'm just going to do what I'm told, even though I know 389 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,840 what I'm doing is wrong. I'm going to throw a flash bang 390 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,880 into a little girl's room who I know that the dad inside is a is 391 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,400 a patriot and it is is wanted on a non violent misdemeanor like 392 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,120 that. That's evil. 393 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,840 That is evil. These guys get to play dress up 394 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,040 and they get to put on their the cool guy gear and their Mitch 395 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,680 helmets and they get their you know, and and they they get to 396 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,840 call people out and they get all excited about their little 397 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,720 raids. But you were raiding American 398 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,760 patriot homes. You guys are cowards. 399 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,080 And like I have a friend who his daughter got a flash bang and it 400 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,840 like Derrick Kinison. Derrick Kinison. 401 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,280 This is this is the kind of BS that people don't know about 402 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Derrick Kinison's want to. I met him through this. 403 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Was on a group chat, never went into the building and only 404 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,040 offered medical aid to to. He offered medical aid to 405 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,360 everybody was hurting like from CS gas or whatever and it was he 406 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,960 offered it to police officers, he offered to civilians. 407 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,400 He was part of a group chat. I guess maybe an informant or an 408 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,040 agent or somebody was saying stupid things in a group chat. 409 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,000 He was like you probably shouldn't say these things and 410 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,280 left the group chat. He was convicted on conspiracy 411 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,440 to sedition and for destruction of evidence when he left the 412 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,320 group chat. And he was like sentenced to 413 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,920 like eight years in prison, which he served nine months in 414 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,640 one day. And of those nine months in one 415 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,440 day, he was moved around six times to different prisons. 416 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,560 And I mean, it was like, it's a shame that this is happening in 417 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,680 the United States of America. And there's very few agents who 418 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,280 actually spoke up against this. And it was it was evil and it 419 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,360 was a weaponization of our Department of Justice. 420 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,760 And which is supposed to be bipartisan and, and completely 421 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:18,040 subjective and, and it, it's just, it was just awful. 422 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,640 I mean, it, it's just a sad day in American history. 423 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,160 Like people don't really understand the evil that 424 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,880 occurred and, and how many constitutional rights and were 425 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,160 were taken that throughout the J6, you know, pandemic, if you 426 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,160 will, so. I want to, I want to step back a 427 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,480 little bit. I want you to think about your 428 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,280 time and training. I think about the people that 429 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,080 you dealt with in the military. I want you to think about the 430 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,960 people that you would respect, whether it be Washington Field, 431 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,400 SWAT, whether it be other agents you work with, the DA, you know, 432 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:57,400 DADEA, could we have predicted, do you think how many people, 433 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,560 what percentage of people would not take the difficult correct 434 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,320 path? I think it's the correct path. 435 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,640 So I'm going to call it that. And was there any indicators 436 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,320 that that would be the case? And if you had to guess before, 437 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,360 let's say 2020, how many people that were your colleagues would 438 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:17,000 do the right thing? And then what do you estimate 439 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,600 that percentage is looks like right now? 440 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,480 I'm just a complicated kind of look at this. 441 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,800 You know, there's a saying like Long live the Brotherhood, man. 442 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,160 And it's not it's not Long live the brotherhood, it's Long live 443 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,000 the brand. It's it's it people just care 444 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,920 about their little careers. And when people don't realize 445 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,840 that the things that we do in our career has immense effect on 446 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,240 other people. Like Jason R Higley interviewed 447 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,120 the FBI SWAT team like they were like, Mark is good to go. 448 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520 He was offered us assistance that day. 449 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,520 We were not threatened by his presence. 450 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,560 And he's like, OK, like, that doesn't fit my narrative. 451 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,040 I need to fit my narrative. And so it's just, and, and it 452 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,600 happens Like I have a very good friend who, you know, was 453 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,880 serving on the SEAL teams and great guy and, and he was a 454 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,800 Trump appointee and got attacked because he was a Trump appointee 455 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520 and, and they just came after him really hard. 456 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,800 This is nothing new. The weaponization of the DOJI 457 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,400 mean it's, it's a problem because it's based on stats and 458 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,800 it's based on career progression. 459 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,800 It's like, why is me throwing a person in jail for the rest of 460 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,760 his life going to bump me out? Like, why is that my motivation 461 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,320 to make like GS14, you know what I mean? 462 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Like it, it, it's, it's, it's a broken system. 463 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,160 And it, it's not innocent until proven guilty. 464 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,160 It's like guilty and, and then until, until they, they crack, 465 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,520 until the system is designed to, to deplete you emotionally, 466 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,680 financially, you know, and, and they have unlimited resources. 467 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,800 They can take years to prosecute you. 468 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,400 I mean, look at Trump. Trump's a felon, right? 469 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,800 Like, let's just all take a step back for a second and realize 470 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,640 the president of the United States is a felon and. 471 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,400 And he's convicted of, what, 54 felonies or something like that? 472 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,920 Yeah, but that's how evil and corrupt. 473 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,520 And meanwhile, Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein were like doing 474 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,520 whatever, you know, Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, Kevin 475 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,240 Spacey and Chris Tucker all took a plane throughout Africa for 476 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,080 like a couple of weeks. Epstein was in, in the Clinton 477 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,080 was in the Clinton White House multiple times seen with 478 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,080 bringing in girls. But, you know, it's just, it's 479 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,720 just a sad state of affair. Yeah, it's a sad state of 480 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,640 affairs. But it's, I mean, and that's why 481 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,240 like, God willing, Trump can fix this Cash Patel can fix this. 482 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,720 I, I am hopeful for America. You know, patriots and 483 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,920 Republicans have saved the the Republic once before and we can 484 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,760 do it again. I mean, you think back to Valley 485 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,160 Forge and the Civil War and how close we were to losing our 486 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,480 nation. I think we were very close to 487 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,480 losing our nation. I mean, inches from Trump almost 488 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,320 being killed. And that's the other thing. 489 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,480 They tried to kill our president. 490 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,240 It's like we're reading a Tom Clancy novel. 491 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,720 I mean, and they were all been Black Rock videos, like and 492 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,080 commercials. It's like it's a weird little 493 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,640 world we live in. And unless there are more heroes 494 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760 than cowards, we're going to stay here. 495 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,720 You know, unless there are more people who are based on morality 496 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,760 and principle versus their, their pension, we, unless 497 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,880 they're, these politicians aren't just like, you know, 498 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,800 people say politics is Hollywood for ugly people. 499 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,680 But like, unless these politicians are real, real 500 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,800 people who care about their constituents and just not for 501 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,640 show, we're, we're going to find ourselves in a, in a sticky 502 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040 situation again. And, and God forbid that, but I 503 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,760 love America, I love the Constitution, I love my rights. 504 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,160 I'm allowed to have guns again, Praise God. 505 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,360 And, you know, and, and it's just, it's a sad, sad state of 506 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,880 affairs and I pray we never go back there. 507 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,360 Let's talk about the personal cost, if you don't mind 'cause 508 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,360 let's let's start with the suspensions and let's move 509 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,720 forward with some of the cost. Yeah, so, well, First off, I'm 510 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,720 ADEA agent. Was ADEA agent facing 16 years 511 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,000 in prison. The cartels run the prisons. 512 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:30,240 And me going to jail would have been a death sentence very 513 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,880 clearly. It would have been very bad, 514 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,520 let's just put it that way. And so there was that hanging 515 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,000 over my head. I had a newborn son during this 516 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,160 time and the fear of every time I picked up my son was like this 517 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,400 joyous, beautiful thing. But and I was being a father is 518 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,400 the greatest thing I've ever achieved. 519 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,640 And and AM and I'm thankful to God for my beautiful baby boy. 520 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320 But it was also really depressing because like I may 521 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,000 not get to see him grow up and I may not get to see him become a 522 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,800 man. I may not be there for his first 523 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,880 steps. I may not, you know, be there 524 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,240 for his first words. Maybe another man is going to be 525 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,680 raising my son. And that was that was really 526 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,680 hard. Like it was it, that's the real 527 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,680 evil about this thing. Like they took something so pure 528 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,440 of being a father and it and it was tainted because of this. 529 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,720 And that's, that's just a mental and emotional and physical cost. 530 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,640 I, I've really, you know, I was in a really bad mental state and 531 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,400 Pastor Rob McCoy met me, saw the depression and hurt in my face, 532 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,880 in my eyes. And he, he said, you come work 533 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,920 for me and he just poured love and, and preach the gospel to me 534 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040 and encourage me. And he kept saying, Mark, you 535 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,120 cross that river when we get there, you cross that river when 536 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,000 you get there. And he just kept me. 537 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,880 Put your hope in the Lord. Put your hope in the Lord. 538 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,240 God will deliver you. And he did, you know, at the at 539 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,480 the midnight hour, God, God did man. 540 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,600 But as far as that financially, I mean, my first attorney was, I 541 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,960 mean, I think All in all, between all my attorneys and all 542 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,400 my expenses and not being able to work, I personally have lost 543 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,480 around $300,000. And I'm not a rich person. 544 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,640 I mean, there, there are some donations that were made 545 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,120 graciously and they went to attorney fees. 546 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,200 But yeah, I mean, I I've lost around $300,000. 547 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,080 I still have a around a $50,000 bill with my attorney. 548 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,040 There are some very nice people in Idaho that donated like 7 549 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,800 grand to help me cover my attorney fees, which is very 550 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,880 gracious of them. But yeah, I still need to pay my 551 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,640 attorneys. I maxed out my credit cards just 552 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,520 trying to survive and, and be a provider for my, my family and 553 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,120 not being able to work. And so, but you know, I mean, 554 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,320 God has always provided for me. And this is the one thing I, 555 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,760 it's just not like a spiritual thing. 556 00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,360 I I've, I've learned is faith. The opposite of faith is fear. 557 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,480 Fear is faith in Satan. Fear is faith in Satan's outcome 558 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,840 for your life. Fear makes you kill yourself. 559 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,120 Fear makes you have an abortion. Fear makes you want to kill, 560 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,920 steal, lie. Faith makes you operate in a way 561 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440 that God's plan for your life. Faith makes you courageous. 562 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,640 Faith makes you trust. Faith makes you endure hardships 563 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,280 knowing that God will rectify the situation. 564 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,800 And so I would just encourage anybody listening, I would root 565 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,720 fear out of your life and realize the Bible says do not 566 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,640 fear 365 times. It is the most repeated 567 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,040 commandment in the Bible. It's not the greatest 568 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,280 commandment, but it's the most repeated commandment. 569 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,040 And I really didn't understand the dichotomy between faith and 570 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,240 fear. But fear is satanic worship. 571 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240 Fear is living and the devil's reality for your life. 572 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 And faith will make you live in God's reality for your life. 573 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,400 So I would encourage you to always choose faith over fear 574 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,560 and to be brave and stay strong in God's Word that he says all 575 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,160 things work for those who love God and are called to his 576 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,920 purpose. And and like I had a good friend 577 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:10,080 at CIA, he, he told me who led the Israelites into the Red Sea. 578 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,200 And I said, I don't know man God, the pillar of cloud and 579 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,560 fire at night. I don't know what are you? 580 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,400 What are you getting at man? And he was like God led the 581 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,520 Israelites to the Red Sea where there is a genocidal army behind 582 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,160 them and a sea of abyss in front of them and no hopes of crossing 583 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,840 or fighting. And God delivered them in a way 584 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,880 that only he could do it. And it's so his glory be would 585 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,640 be shown and that that people would put their trust in him 586 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,920 always. And so I'm a big believer of 587 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,560 utter dependence on the Lord and, and always just trusting in 588 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160 him and and God delivered me and saved me in more ways than one. 589 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,920 So, yeah, but I wouldn't have gotten here if it wasn't for the 590 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,120 love of Pastor Rob McCoy. I mean, he, you know, I was 591 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,120 charged with, you know, the greatest way to discredit 592 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,800 anybody is charge you with a false statement, right? 593 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960 And that was the other thing. I couldn't lie about lying. 594 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,960 So I I couldn't take the plea deal. 595 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,240 That charge got dismissed. And which is crazy, like very 596 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,480 few J6 charges got dismissed. What did they say? 597 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,480 You said falsely. I said I never brandish my 598 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,320 weapon. That's why I said I never 599 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,440 brandished my weapon. They're like, here's a photo of 600 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,120 it concealed in your beltline with your badge. 601 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,360 And I go, OK, like brandishing to me is you pull your gun out 602 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800 and you're like, this is brandishing, right? 603 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,720 My gun was never unholstered and it was inside the waistband was 604 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240 my holster. And so they they said you. 605 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,120 And the other thing is in order to be charged with false 606 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,040 statement, it has to be material to the crime, right? 607 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640 So if I'm investigating you and I and I say, are you gay? 608 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,640 And and he's like, Nope. And then I find whatever on your 609 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,360 phone. We all been through your phone, 610 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,520 Kyle. Interesting. 611 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,680 But no. But it's like, OK, you lied to 612 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,000 me about being gay. Well, it's not a crime to be gay 613 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,760 so that you that you can't be charged with making a false 614 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320 statement. It is not a crime for me to have 615 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,240 my gun on me. It's not a crime for my gun to 616 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,120 be exposed, period. I just looked up brandish by the 617 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,280 way, just a quick dictionary check here Jaron present 618 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,880 participle is brandishing wave or flourish something, 619 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,760 especially a weapon as a threat or an anger or excitement? 620 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,600 Yeah. Showing your waistband is the 621 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,200 opposite of brandishing to everybody that knows what 622 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,280 brandishing is. Right. 623 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,320 And if you walk past the police officer and it with an inside 624 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,320 the waistband pistol that's considered concealed carry, 625 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,800 right? And so they, they. 626 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,760 And again, it's not even even if I said my gun was never showing, 627 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,360 OK, It's not illegal for my gun to be showing. 628 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,240 I'm a federal agent. We always take the stupid 629 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,720 pictures like, whoa, look at me with the drugs. 630 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,560 Look at me with this. Yeah. 631 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,120 Let me let me get even Dumber about that. 632 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,720 My first experience working with the Washington Field 633 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,600 surveillance team was a guy whose name will go unsaid, but 634 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,160 he knows who he is. I met him at the airport. 635 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,640 So we're now within the security cordon where nobody's allowed to 636 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,400 have a weapon except federal agents. 637 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,760 And I'd never met him before. And I knew that he was on my 638 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,720 team going to Alaska in June of 2018 because I saw his weapon 639 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,960 exposed because his shirt had come untucked and was sitting on 640 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000 top of his gun. So his gun is sitting there and 641 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,360 he's in the airport lobby waiting to get on the plane, 642 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000 like outside the gate. And I walked up and I said, hey, 643 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,360 buddy, you're out, your weapons exposed. 644 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,680 And he was like, he's like covered it up. 645 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240 He was disgruntled about it. And then I found out later on, 646 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,760 he's just kind of a disgruntled guy sometimes. 647 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,080 That's just the nature of his of his, his personality. 648 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,080 But that wasn't brandishing. And it is a violation of FBI 649 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,760 policy to actually have your gun exposed in that circumstances. 650 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,200 But like, no one's going to do anything about it. 651 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,760 There's nothing to do. It's certainly not a crime. 652 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800 It's just it's bad OPSEC to reveal that you're carrying a 653 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,080 weapon before you go on a plane. Because what it says is that's 654 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,240 the federal agent. And if I had a problem, that's 655 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,520 the guy I got to take out first. That's the only real issue and 656 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,520 danger there. Right. 657 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,680 So again, it's not illegal for my gun to be exposed. 658 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,400 We do raids where we open carry and holsters and tactical 659 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,000 holsters and ARS and all this stuff like we're allowed to have 660 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,880 our weapons concealed and exposed. 661 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,480 It is not a material crime. So it could never be charged 662 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,560 with. And then he even lied about it 663 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239 and said I was in DC when I lied and it was a zoom call. 664 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,639 And so the judge was like, this is thank God, like the judge 665 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,159 like this is BS and dismissed it. 666 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,239 But but again, they, they started off with this guy false 667 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,840 statements and Pastor Rob didn't know anything about me, just 668 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,920 just all what the, the left had said. 669 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:44,000 I'm violent, I'm dangerous white supremacist and I, I lied to the 670 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,800 FBI about my role in January 6th. 671 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,760 That literally that's what all the articles are about me and, 672 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,320 and, and, and so, you know, and then Rob took a chance on me and 673 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,160 he said, I don't, I don't care about any of that. 674 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,080 I like, I love you as, as a, as a brother in Christ And he, he 675 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,360 encouraged me and I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for him. 676 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,960 So I mean there are a lot of patriots and a lot of good 677 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,800 people who who stood the ground. Pastor Rob McCoy, by the way, 678 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,240 was the mayor of Thousand Oaks, CA and the pastor of Godspeed 679 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,600 Calvary Chapel. And when Governor Newscom said, 680 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,920 he said that the churches were non essential, he resigned from 681 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,320 being the mayor, which is very prestigious role. 682 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,360 And he kept his church open and he faced being arrested, he 683 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,840 faced fines and fees. He faced forfeiture of the 684 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,360 church building. He stayed open, you know, and 685 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,280 that's why I'm. Was that the was that the case 686 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,800 that Jenna Ellis got involved in? 687 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,720 Does that sound right? I don't, I don't know. 688 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,760 I mean, I know that Pastor Rob was the first pastor to keep his 689 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,760 church open and many other patriot minded pastors followed 690 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,160 his suit. And you know, he saw my article 691 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,920 on on in my, my new story on Tucker Carlson. 692 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,880 And it's like, man, they got to this guy and you know, and that 693 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,240 that's the thing, like I said, that there was a federal agent 694 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,920 and federal informants in the crowd three years ago. 695 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,800 Now it's common knowledge. They still don't say how many 696 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,160 FBI agents were in the crowd, my brother being one of them and 697 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,000 the FBI SWAT team being one of them. 698 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,080 And that that's the other thing people just don't understand, 699 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,160 Like if the FBI SWAT team was mobilized and placed out the cap 700 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,840 side, the Capitol building, what was the Intel for them to do 701 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960 that, right? Like you don't just mobilize a 702 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,200 SWAT team. It cost a lot of money to do 703 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,120 that. What was the intelligence behind 704 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,840 them going out there? What does the DEA have specific 705 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,120 programs called UC programs where you have to go get a 706 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,720 credential certificate, schooling and so on to become a 707 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,080 undercover? Or does everybody do that? 708 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,080 I think everybody does it. OK. 709 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,880 So DEA very different in that way than FBIA. 710 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,800 Lot of FBI agents are not undercovers, they're not 711 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,200 authorized to operate quote UN quote undercover. 712 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,960 But there's also no uniform, as you well know from your brother, 713 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,000 there's no uniform for an FBI agent, right? 714 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,640 So if your brother's out in the crowd, he's not AUC, he's not 715 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,680 operating undercover, He's just an FBI agent who's wearing his 716 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,280 clothes, which is what FBI agents do every. 717 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160 Day and I I truthfully think that my brother just texted his 718 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,760 ASAC or a couple of he was texting other FBI agents in the 719 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,200 crowd and he was like hey I'm here and they were like yeah, 720 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,840 collect or look around and, and, and be safe or whatever and that 721 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920 was their tasking. I guess I mean people don't 722 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,520 understand how federal law enforcement works right If you 723 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,920 text your ASAC hey I'm here I see this and they respond OK be 724 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,520 safe collect information like do your job whatever that's your 725 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,280 tasking now like that's you're assigned to that now or there's 726 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,640 no on or off duty with federal agents. 727 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,120 That's why we fly armed all the time, you know, and that's why 728 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,640 if a crime happens in front of us, we're expected to, to handle 729 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,560 it and operate, you know, in, in, in the function that we're 730 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,720 trained to. But yeah, I don't know. 731 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,720 It's, it's just. Yeah, I think it comes from that 732 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:54,920 fundamental lack of understanding. 733 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,280 It's the same understanding issues we've had with people in 734 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,320 the public who are trying to talk about how the FBI was 735 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,160 trying to serve a search warrant at Mar a Lago and they were 736 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,600 authorized deadly force to go kill. 737 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,040 It's like deadly force authorization happens the minute 738 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040 you get your gun, forever until you lose the gun, and then you 739 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,640 get to have your own. Like I have a deadly force 740 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,360 policy. Like no one wrote it down and no 741 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,440 one made me remember it. But it's the same when I 742 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,760 operated under the constitutional abilities that I 743 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,840 have in the state law in Texas. I carry a weapon and I'm 744 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,760 authorized to use it when it's authorized, as long as I fulfill 745 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,800 a lawful defense, as long as I'm doing it in defense of my life 746 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,880 for others. So it's just these these these 747 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080 lack of understandings end up creeping in and we get the wrong 748 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,080 voices out talking about it. Want to move to the right voice 749 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,880 version of it, though? Let's talk about did you always 750 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,200 have this trust, this faith? Because I feel like I've talked 751 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,640 to you over the last, what, maybe two years? 752 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,920 Does that sound right? And in the last two years, highs 753 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000 and lows, would that be fair? Yeah, some understatement. 754 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,120 Yeah, some. Some like. 755 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,760 Feeling like it's going to work out and some probably some 756 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080 abysmal moments like I'm going to go to prison and I'm going to 757 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,880 die there and, and, and I heard some conversations like that. 758 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Did you and you know talk about the faith aspect and whether 759 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,160 that was something you knew before January 6th of 2021? 760 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,800 Well, I'll talk about like just the. 761 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,320 Highs and lows real quick. I, there were times where I was 762 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,240 like, surely they can't throw me in jail. 763 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,160 Like surely somebody's going to see, like they're going to talk 764 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,880 to the FBI, the SWAT team. Surely they're going to talk to 765 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,320 my brother. Surely they're going to see my 766 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,160 criminal record, which is nothing. 767 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,320 Surely they're going to see my service history. 768 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,440 Surely someone's going to not throw me in jail. 769 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:37,120 And and then it went to like clearly seeing how Jason R 770 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,760 Higley, the DOJIG and and special agent, I use that term 771 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,680 sparingly, would just ignore all the good things that I've done, 772 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,160 ignore my history, ignore my time finding ISIS terrorist 773 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,640 inside the United States, ignore the conversations and assistance 774 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,200 I offered the WFO SWAT team that day just to fulfill this 775 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,680 narrative. And then I was like, well, 776 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,840 surely the judge is going to see through this bullshit. 777 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,920 And then the judge compared me to a guy a strict liability 778 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,640 crime and compared me to a dude carrying a hand grenade. 779 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,560 And it's like, I think what happened was as they were. 780 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,560 Like, look, we've looked into all that and stopped calling us 781 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,760 Shirley. Is that possible? 782 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,240 Yeah. It it's exactly it's it's hard. 783 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,080 It's. Hard to see that my faith in the 784 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,760 government. Like seriously declined. 785 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,080 And then it it opened my eyes because I was a true believer. 786 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,160 I was like, I want to be a federal law enforcement. 787 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,960 Like these guys are my heroes. I love like you see the movies 788 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,040 and you're like, I want to be a special agent one day. 789 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,600 Not realizing that these these people are like just evil 790 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,720 bureaucrats that are just trying to get convictions. 791 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,280 Now, granted, there are some good things like stopping child 792 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,080 pornography and stopping sex trafficking, like, but the 793 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,400 majority of agents are just being thrown into these 794 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,160 political arenas. And. 795 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,000 And you see it with Trump. Like who are the agents that 796 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,600 investigated Trump? I know them, yeah. 797 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,120 I mean, you know, I know them. Yeah. 798 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,360 I mean it's. They're not bad people, by the 799 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,840 way. They're really not. 800 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,640 They're they're Nazis doing their job. 801 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,760 And, and I would say they are bad people because you cannot 802 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,760 say I'm just following orders while I'm bringing Jews to to to 803 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,000 their deaths. And you're like, I'm still a 804 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,360 good person. I have a moral distance because 805 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,400 I'm just following orders. I was told to do this. 806 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,360 Well, flush that logic out because you just. 807 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,240 Jumped into something that was the argument during COVID that I 808 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,480 I made obviously about something very different. 809 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080 I didn't necessarily see the same thing for January 6th, but 810 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,000 I'm very open to to hearing your line of thinking on that. 811 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,880 On what COVID? Or no, you called them Nazis. 812 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,760 Right out right out the gate. So let's look, man, we're. 813 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,680 All men, OK? We're all men. 814 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,600 We all are here put on this earth, regardless of a badge or 815 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,240 a gun or authority, like we all have a moral obligation to our 816 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:10,960 fellow man and we are Americans. And like you tell me like that's 817 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,880 why Steve friend is one of my heroes. 818 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,760 It's like, yeah, you're you're a cool guy, FBI SWAT team dude. 819 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,920 And it's like this guy has a non violent misdemeanor. 820 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,120 Let's throw some flash bangs into his kids room and it's like 821 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,080 hell yeah. And just boom and and then like, 822 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,680 let's kick in his door and scare his children half to death. 823 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,160 And and then and it's like he was like, I can't all he says, 824 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,600 like, I can't do this anymore, Like this is evil. 825 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960 This is wrong. We all have it before we have an 826 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,720 obligation to God and to our fellow man before we have an 827 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,240 obligation to the FBI or whatever. 828 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:47,760 And if if you know in the military, if you're given an 829 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,040 unlawful order, you don't have to obey it, right. 830 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,560 Did you get any training on that at the? 831 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,480 ATF I'm sorry I did. DEA sorry, I'm I'm blank. 832 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,680 What do you what do you mean like following? 833 00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,920 Unlawful orders, yeah. Did you get unlawful? 834 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,480 Order training No. I don't think that I ever did. 835 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,720 Either I'm just trying to reflect back on it. 836 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,520 I know I did in the military for sure. 837 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,600 That's. Standard and you get the. 838 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,120 Same thing when you go through SEAR training. 839 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,320 You know what is and what is not allowed and like what is and 840 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,360 what isn't crossing the line. They teach you how to discredit 841 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,600 things if you have no other choice. 842 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,320 So there may be some things that you have to do in order to stay 843 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560 alive and maintain life, which is what they call it. 844 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,560 I got a little coin on the back of the wall over here that's got 845 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,040 that on there. You have to maintain life, but 846 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,240 it's your duty to discredit the action if the action is not 847 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,000 something that you would otherwise be lawfully able to 848 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,080 do. But I don't remember that when I 849 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,600 was at the the FBI, and I'm not sure that any federal law 850 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,840 enforcement is teaching lawful. Orders, you're told to follow 851 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:47,840 orders and you know, and it's, it's quite tragic that you know, 852 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,760 and this is the sad part to me. Is there, I mean, how many FBI 853 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,160 whistleblowers are there? How many federal agents spoke up 854 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,080 against this past Department of Injustice? 855 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,600 It's I've been told. It's in the in the dozens, but I 856 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,080 only know like 5. Yeah. 857 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,640 That's about it. OK, how many? 858 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200 I know about a half dozen. How many federal agents are? 859 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,280 There between the ATF, D, all of DoD, EA, FBI, Border Patrol, I 860 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,680 would say there's a round of what, 100,000 federal agents 861 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,280 between all the agencies. I don't think it's that high. 862 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,400 I think the FBI. Has the biggest bite of it and 863 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,040 it's 14,000 and then I think behind that what is DEA got 3000 864 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,800 right. But if you consider ATF. 865 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,600 And and it's a couple 1000 here and there. 866 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,840 It's it's. Probably like in the 30s, maybe 867 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,640 the 40s. It's a lot of people. 868 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,840 I mean CBP. Anyways, it's a lot OK CBP kind 869 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:32,480 of different. Animal. 870 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,160 They're they're different. We went through Fletzi. 871 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:34,880 Right. OK. 872 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,080 How many? I would say the number of people 873 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,560 who went through Fletzi is probably 50 to a 100,000 people 874 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,520 and five people that I know of stood up and spoke up against 875 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,560 the injustices, right? My buddy Rob Green calls it. 876 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,080 Calls it institution over constitution Is the default 877 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,280 correct? We saw the same thing in DoD. 878 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,200 We saw a lot of commanders that knew what was right, felt it 879 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,240 deeply in their hearts that are good people, or at least had 880 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,560 previously been good people. I had this moment. 881 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,560 I think it was, I think it was Stuart Rose that brought this to 882 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,200 my attention. He said the question that he 883 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:17,440 asked people is does the moment make the man or does the moment 884 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680 reveal the man? So I'll share. 885 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,880 I'll ask you, does the moment make or reveal the man? 886 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,360 I think moment reveals a man. I think absolutely. 887 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,920 I mean, you are who you are and when you get put in a tough 888 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,280 situation, it's going to bring out the worst or best qualities 889 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,640 of who you are. And I, I was just very thankful 890 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,040 that I had a bunch of patriots and, and God fearing men rally 891 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,080 behind me. I, I actually remember there's a 892 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,240 guy named Tony. He owns Basilico's Pasta Vino in 893 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:54,560 Orange County and he refused to shut down his restaurant 'cause 894 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,000 it was made in memory of his mother. 895 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,960 So when they tried like California Governor Newscom 896 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,440 tried to shut him down while keeping all his pastry shops 897 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,440 open, He's like, no, like F you like, this is my mother. 898 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,960 Now, Tony and I may or may not have been on opposite sides of 899 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,280 the law at some points. And but Tony's a a real American 900 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,640 patriot who loves this country and refused to shut down his 901 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,400 Italian restaurant in his mother's memory. 902 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,080 And I remember coming in there after my I offered was offered 903 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,200 my plea deal and my attorney at the time said you should take 904 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,120 it. And I was like, I was just so. 905 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,720 Desperate, I wanted this to be done. 906 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,880 I'm in debt. I'm like $150,000 in debt. 907 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,240 It just, it just started and I, I was just so. 908 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:46,480 And he goes, Mark, I can't tell you what to do and I can't judge 909 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,960 you if you take a plea deal, but F them, F them stand your 910 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,720 ground. You know you're in the truth. 911 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,040 You know you're in the right. Like die in the truth instead of 912 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,320 living in, you know, it's just being on your knees in a lie. 913 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,920 And, and and that's that he gave me really encouragement at a 914 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,000 time when I didn't know where to go. 915 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,320 And and Rob McCoy said, Mark, you can't lie about lying. 916 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,080 You need to be firm in your truth. 917 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,120 Fight this to the end. And so I was thankful that I had 918 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,880 sound counsel. And now I'm not a convicted 919 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,040 felon. I'm I'm not anything. 920 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,640 I was just dismissed. But you Google me and you see 921 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,720 all the left articles about me. And you know they. 922 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,400 Just made-up a bunch of crazy stuff and so but. 923 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,600 I'm very thankful that. A bunch of patriots rallied 924 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,000 behind me and encouraged me to fight the good fight and to 925 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,120 stand for truth. And I would rather would have 926 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,960 died in the truth than lived in a lie. 927 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,240 And that's the other thing that people don't understand. 928 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,280 A truth isn't afraid of the lie, but a lie is afraid of the 929 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,080 truth. And you don't have to defend the 930 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,120 truth. You just have to let it out and 931 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,320 it'll defend itself like a lion. And so it's like everybody knows 932 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,000 the vaccine was a sham and it was dangerous and it was killing 933 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,400 people and it was an experimental drug, you know, and 934 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,760 I literally was because I, I was where I was in the DEA when they 935 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,520 were telling us to get vaccinated and everything. 936 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,280 And I was literally thinking about it and I was like, OK, it 937 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,040 doesn't stop me from getting COVID. 938 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,920 It doesn't stop me from giving COVID. 939 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,760 You're not going to tell me what's in it. 940 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,800 And I can't sue you if it hurts me. 941 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,840 And oh, by the way, if I don't get it, you're going to fire me. 942 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,160 Oh, and by the way. And now we're going to make 943 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,520 moral judgements on you, right? You are a human. 944 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,000 POS if you don't get vaccinated because you you know and did you 945 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960 have the same instinct that. I do, which is that when you 946 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,760 want me to do something that badly, like I instinctively just 947 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,040 don't want to do it like I just do. 948 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,360 Honestly, my heart just first. Went to my mom, right? 949 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,560 I was like, my mom is like a diabetic elderly woman who who, 950 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,640 you know, survived 9/11 and served this country and, and 951 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,640 survived communism. I was like, I was like, look, if 952 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640 it will stop me from giving COVID to my mother, even if it 953 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,720 has a negative side effect on me, I'll take that sacrifice. 954 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,160 Like I will take that hit as long as it stops me from giving 955 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,200 COVID to my mother. And then I was like, doesn't 956 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,680 stop it from spreading, stopping the spread. 957 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,760 So I was like, then what's the point? 958 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,240 There is no logical point to getting vaccinated if it doesn't 959 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:14,840 stop the spread. It doesn't stop you from getting 960 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,000 it, doesn't stop you from giving it. 961 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,920 Even if it's like okay like you'll still get Kovid, you'll 962 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,800 still be messed up from Covad, but it'll stop me from giving it 963 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,400 to my mother in a heartbeat. I get 5 vaccines, I don't care 964 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,600 as long as it makes my mother safer. 965 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,880 But it doesn't so what's the point? 966 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,640 It seemed like the worst cell. Job that I've ever seen. 967 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,960 And then he had weirdos like Bill de Blasio out there who was 968 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,640 like eating French fries. He's like, you mean I get these 969 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,720 delicious French fries? Krispy Kreme doughnuts? 970 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,040 And you're going like what? On the what in the hell? 971 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,400 What kind of like single order level thinking people were being 972 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160 marketed to? Yeah, people aren't. 973 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,240 Talking about the the miscarriage rates like up 3000%. 974 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:55,280 I know family members who've had multiple miscarriages too are 975 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,120 are suffering because they were vaccinated. 976 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,480 Yeah. And they and it's proven that 977 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,160 they've died of fetal myocarditis. 978 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:02,840 Yeah. And I can't. 979 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,600 I can't. Draw the Direct Line because I 980 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,320 don't have the data and and it's not my business to. 981 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,040 I just see the anecdotal evidence, which is that some 982 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,840 people really suffered and there should be some more questions 983 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,280 than what we got. And historically people used to 984 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,880 pull this kind of stuff anyway. I feel like the the only, I 985 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,560 think Americans are stubborn in the way that all of us are. 986 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,520 I think you're probably stubborn. 987 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,680 I'm probably stubborn the same way. 988 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,680 And the thought is, is like, if God gives you one challenge, 989 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,280 maybe that's not enough. Have you had a lot of challenges 990 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,080 come your way? I, I feel like I had a lot of 991 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,840 challenges come my way. And I feel like it was, it 992 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,000 wasn't like we just put you into a decision to whether or not 993 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,840 you're going to play this hand. It was like, are you going to be 994 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,480 at the table? And are you willing to bet your 995 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,280 life? And a couple of people stood up 996 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,640 and went all in. Well, honestly man, when I was 997 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,160 rolling. Around in Iraq and rounds were 998 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,080 impacting close by me and I'm not war stories and this and 999 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,360 that. I I didn't walk around fearful 1000 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,440 of losing my life. I was like, I just got to do my 1001 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,560 job. I was too busy to be afraid, 1002 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,680 kind of. I mean, obviously I was like 1003 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,840 scared shitless, but like, I was like, I, I'm too busy to to be 1004 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,680 afraid. I got to do my job and God will 1005 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,200 handle the rest. And I was like, I just have to 1006 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,120 do my job. And then, but when you're 1007 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,880 fighting the cartels and ISIS and criminals, it's a different 1008 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,480 story when it's Mark Ibrahim versus United States government. 1009 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,520 And it was like, Oh my God, like, like, and then I realized 1010 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,440 that like I just had to be strong, like just put on the 1011 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,800 same mental mind frame of, of being in Iraq. 1012 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,640 It's like the cards fall where they fall. 1013 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,520 And, and like, like God is in control and I trust him and what 1014 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,720 happens happens and that's it. But I'm not going to like, I'm 1015 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,400 not going to go quietly into the night. 1016 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200 I'm not going to plea. I'm not going to just bend over 1017 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,720 and take it. I was like, if you're going to 1018 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,160 rape me, I'm at least going to be screaming about it, you know 1019 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,520 what I mean? And, and thank God, like I 1020 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,200 overcame, you know, there's very few success stories. 1021 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,240 There's a lot of people that are still felons out there and that 1022 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:59,560 their lives are are ruined. The reputations are ruined and 1023 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,320 they're just patriots that never went in a building, never hurt 1024 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,520 anybody. They just were caught in the 1025 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,640 crosshairs of a corrupt DOJ. And I mean, I, I think Trump 1026 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,040 really needs to set something up that he can I help identify 1027 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,080 these people and part of them pardon them and help like right 1028 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,880 some wrongs of a history of, of corruption of the FBI and, and 1029 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,360 federal law enforcement. Do you think that you could? 1030 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,600 Have seen this without being shown it so aggressively. 1031 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,520 No, no. I mean. 1032 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,880 No, I mean it's. It's. 1033 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,240 Because and it's always in your. Training. 1034 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,520 It's always in your, the doctrine. 1035 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,040 It's always in. Like you. 1036 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,360 You are the good guys, they're the bad guys. 1037 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,680 F them like they're the bad guys. 1038 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,520 They wouldn't be in your report if they weren't bad. 1039 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,840 They wouldn't be, you know, there wouldn't be a three O 2 on 1040 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,680 them if if they weren't horrible human beings like you know, and 1041 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,040 so it's just AI mean. Even when I had drug cases, I 1042 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,640 would do background checks, obviously, and I really would 1043 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,360 go, I'd only go after the people with the drug cases that had 1044 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880 like some child trafficking charge or kidnapping charge or 1045 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,120 child pornography charge, because that's, that's honestly 1046 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,200 that's near and dear to my heart that I, I think like America 1047 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,600 really needs to track down like crack down on. 1048 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,080 We're the largest consumers of child porn, which is sad. 1049 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,760 And you know, if you have child porn on your phone and you can 1050 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,160 go to jail for 10 years, but you can go down to Mexico and have 1051 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,360 sex with a child for $10 Scott free. 1052 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,280 And it's just, it's evil and we need to stop that. 1053 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,960 So that like, that was my litmus test, Like, you know, and there 1054 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,560 were some drug cases that I felt bad about prosecuting because I 1055 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,200 knew the guy was like mentally impaired and he was just being 1056 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,120 taken advantage of by the cartel. 1057 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,240 He had AUS citizenship. They're just, yeah, you're a 1058 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,520 child like mind like just go drive these drugs across the 1059 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,840 border. And it was really hard, hard for 1060 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,080 me to, to really prosecute the those, those cases. 1061 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,520 But again, I was a probationary agent and I was told to do it. 1062 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,680 So I, I did what I was told, right. 1063 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,240 But there there is no distinction of justice. 1064 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:17,080 Like justice has nothing to do with the Department of Justice. 1065 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,920 It's about stats, it's about promotions. 1066 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,800 It's about the political narrative at the time. 1067 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,320 And it's about it. It's just about moving ahead. 1068 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,240 And you know the I have a good friend, Jimmy Capra, who's like 1069 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,680 the deputy director or deputy of operations for the DEA now 33 1070 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,680 years of government services, DEA agent and he lives in Texas. 1071 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,920 Good dude. And he was telling me he was 1072 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,680 like, the day I retired, I was just trying to like, send an 1073 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,240 e-mail to help follow up on something I was working on. 1074 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,880 And I got told not to call back. And I was like, when you're 1075 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,400 done, you're done. And that's what these agents 1076 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,760 don't really understand. It's like 30, three years of FBI 1077 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,880 service and putting ruining innocent lives and blah, blah. 1078 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,840 And it's like, OK, that's great. And then what? 1079 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,560 You have to live with yourself. My buddy Phil talks. 1080 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,240 About this pretty extensively, he said. 1081 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,600 What people don't realize and, and I was in a unique position 1082 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,160 to see this because of the, the team that I worked on, the 1083 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,080 surveillance team, they had a lot of agents that would retire 1084 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,720 off the team. It was their last couple years 1085 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,880 in and then they would go and then they would go off and, you 1086 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,080 know, play golf or become background investigators, Bix, 1087 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,320 whatever they're called. And so I got to watch people 1088 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,320 leave the carousel and what people? 1089 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,120 Think is that. I am so integral to the mission 1090 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,840 of this organization that they will never replace me. 1091 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,520 And what I watched is nobody even noticed that you got off 1092 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,360 the carousel when you left. Nobody gave a shit that you were 1093 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,600 gone. And they never have, not in the 1094 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,360 history of the organization, because the institution carries 1095 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,600 on and you're just on it for the ride. 1096 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,480 And when you're not on it for the ride, somebody else is in 1097 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,840 your spot and they think that you're completely replaceable 1098 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,720 because you are. And if you understand that it 1099 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,360 changes the game, it should change the game for loyalty. 1100 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,640 But those people never actually see the loyalty change until 1101 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,280 after they leave. And we get 5050. 1102 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,160 Then some people still really need the organization to be 1103 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,920 something because it helps them in their their next life. 1104 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,360 And some people look back and go I am absolutely ashamed. 1105 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,600 I've had FBI agents come up to me since January 6th, have come 1106 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,360 up to me since the COVID mandates, have come up to me 1107 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,720 since what happened to me in the guys, and have told me they have 1108 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,040 moved from the place they retired to. 1109 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,080 They have moved into a new neighborhood and they did not 1110 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,520 tell their neighbors what it was they did before they retired. 1111 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,120 They make up a lie so they don't have to explain how they worked 1112 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,680 for the FBI, specifically the FBI, not federal law enforcement 1113 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,400 in general. That organization. 1114 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,440 That's wild. Yeah. 1115 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,520 I mean it's. You're, you're a cog in a wheel. 1116 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,280 The machine will continue on without you, but God forbid you 1117 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,120 speak up because the machine is doing something illegal or 1118 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,800 immoral. And now you'll find yourself in 1119 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,120 the trajectory of this, this war machine. 1120 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,040 And it's just, it's sad, man. And there's, I mean I, my buddy. 1121 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,080 Phil. He was, he was, he was telling 1122 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,440 me that the Bureau of Prisons is like is like a human trafficking 1123 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:10,120 organization where these these privatized prisons are, they're 1124 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,560 cycling these people through and these people are just making 1125 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,600 money on their feet on on, on housing them and feeding them. 1126 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,840 And I think I really hope Trump just de privatizes all prisons, 1127 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,960 makes it a government, government run prison. 1128 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,600 So no one's benefiting by the imprisonment of of people. 1129 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,000 So that's another topic for another day. 1130 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,960 But I just, it's just a sad, the system is extremely broken. 1131 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:40,080 And I pray that Trump and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi and are able 1132 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,840 to fix it. I want you to think about 1133 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,960 something. I had a another FBI 1134 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,080 whistleblower on a guy who had a very different situation than 1135 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,640 mine but also stood up, said constitution is important. 1136 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,640 Some things that I've seen are wrong and his name is Zach 1137 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,200 Shuffstall. Shuffstall and Zach said the one 1138 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,000 thing he remembers is that whenever anybody got sideways 1139 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,160 with their organization, didn't matter if it was DEA, it doesn't 1140 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,560 matter if it was ATF, doesn't matter if it's, you know, FBI, 1141 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,280 Bureau, prisons, whatever you got sideways with the 1142 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,960 organization, you were accused of something. 1143 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,520 The default was you probably deserved it. 1144 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,800 You probably did something to earn it. 1145 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,280 And we all think the same way. You hear some guy who's going to 1146 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,720 get court martialed, You're like, yeah, that guy probably 1147 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,680 did some dirtbag stuff. Like we just assume the default 1148 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,160 when you are an institutional believer, when you actually work 1149 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,800 for it because you got to believe what you do every day. 1150 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,080 Yeah, you would default. To the. 1151 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,200 Institution is probably right and that guy probably had it 1152 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,800 come in and then you get into a situation like you're in like. 1153 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,880 Double like I was a criminal from the DEA on the then all the 1154 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,320 guys that we'd hit houses together and do raids and have 1155 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,160 barbecues and and live life because you spend countless 1156 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,920 hours together, man. And yeah, I was a criminal. 1157 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,920 But then also from a nation, all the J Sixers were pariahs, you 1158 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,120 know, all the J Sixers. The entire nation was convinced 1159 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,760 that J Sixers were domestic terrorists be thrown in Gitmo. 1160 00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,680 And this is the first insurrection of many 1161 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,600 insurrections. And these people are a threat to 1162 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,920 our democracy and they're evil. And the CIA started this main 1163 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,680 core thing and they started, you know, Deloitte got a government 1164 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,160 contract to for millions and millions of dollars to monitor 1165 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,760 and to organize the largest investigation in the history of 1166 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,080 America. And it was a farce. 1167 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,240 I mean, you have the videos of Capitol Police guys opening the 1168 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,400 doors. You have the statements where 1169 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:30,520 Nancy Pelosi refused the National Guard, like now the the 1170 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,080 whistleblower, whatever they're saying. 1171 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,320 There are 26 informants in that crowd. 1172 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,760 And I think that number is way higher. 1173 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,680 And I know of of multiple other FBI agents that were there. 1174 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,800 So it's like they still haven't come out with any FBI agents 1175 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,040 that were in the crowd. And so it's it's a worthwhile 1176 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,720 point and I made. It I made it right when I saw 1177 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,280 the Inspector General report that what they said was that 1178 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,800 there were no UCS, right? And that's a. 1179 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,400 That's a brand, right? There's a difference between a 1180 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,960 an informant and a source of information. 1181 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,720 And they classify these little, little nomenclatures for their 1182 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,360 bureaucracy. But the reality of it, they were 1183 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:10,960 badge credentialed like armed federal agents in that crowd and 1184 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,840 whether to the the extent that they were ensuing violence or or 1185 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,960 instigating violence or whatever, like that's, that's 1186 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,400 the real tragedy that. It's just a big psyop. 1187 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,000 I mean, my guess is a lot of them were not involved in 1188 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,760 anything violent. I bet a lot of more like what 1189 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,120 your brother was, they were there doing the same thing that 1190 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,040 you guys were, which was that you were supporting the fact 1191 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,160 that you have a right to speak. I want to talk about this for a 1192 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,560 second. So they said that. 1193 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,560 What kind of message is Trump sending by pardoning people who 1194 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,960 had assault on a police officer? OK, I was there all day and 1195 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,880 night and I did not see anybody assault a police officer, 1196 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,520 period. Had I seen it, I would have 1197 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,880 arrested them violently. Okay. 1198 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,160 And and then I have a friend, Luke Coffey, who is getting his 1199 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,440 ass beat by batons and reaches up to grab a baton to protect 1200 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,280 his his brain as he's being pummeled to death. 1201 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,040 And he got charged with assault on a assault on a police officer 1202 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,120 with a violent deadly weapon. And it's instinctual to protect 1203 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,200 your head. He didn't RIP the baton out of 1204 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,400 out of the police officer's hand. 1205 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,440 He didn't reuse it on the police officer. 1206 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,120 He just grabbed it. And he's trying to stop him from 1207 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,400 getting beat up. And but normally there's a 1208 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,360 checks and balances. Normally there is like some boss 1209 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,400 at the whatever agency you're at are going to call bullshit on 1210 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,240 it. Then the grand jury might call 1211 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280 Bolshana and then the judge and then the appellate court 1212 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,680 somebody eventually there's like this checks and balances of 1213 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,880 checks and balances system to just. 1214 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,200 But everybody was convinced that J Sixers were domestic 1215 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,360 terrorists and white supremacists, apparently. 1216 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,040 And white supremacists and right. 1217 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,280 And so Trump did the absolute right thing by pardoning. 1218 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,440 I mean, were there some bad actors there that were probably 1219 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,320 informants or working for the FBI? 1220 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,880 Sure. Do those people deserve to go to 1221 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,000 prison? Absolutely. 1222 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,120 But when you weaponize ADOJ like that, Trump did the absolute 1223 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,400 right thing by blanket pardoning everybody. 1224 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,880 I didn't know I was going to. I didn't know no one knew he was 1225 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,600 going to do a blanket pardon. Well, at least I didn't. 1226 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,040 And so I was struggling to try to get my name to him. 1227 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,400 And Trump actually has an ISIS coin of mine. 1228 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,880 And you know, I just, I was struggling to get my name to him 1229 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,880 desperately so I, I could see my, my son grow up, right? 1230 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,440 I'm, I'm not trying to get rich. I'm not trying to get famous. 1231 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,960 I just want to see my beautiful baby boy grow up. 1232 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,360 I don't want to spend the next 16 years of my life fighting 1233 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,840 criminals or, or cartel members for, to survive. 1234 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,960 And so when Trump pardoned everybody and in the White 1235 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,280 House, it came out the, you know, the, the paper came out 1236 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,600 from the White House. I was reading it in my kitchen 1237 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,200 with some good friends and my mom and I, it was just like a 1238 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,440 sigh of relief, man. It was just a beautiful, 1239 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,240 beautiful thing. Trump, it was just a document 1240 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,160 Trump signed. But I, I really hope that he 1241 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,880 knows the amount of lives that he saved and, and that he signed 1242 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,880 by and the families he reunited and, and the families that he 1243 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,920 saved from being destroyed by signing that document. 1244 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,960 So God bless you, President Trump, and thank you for for our 1245 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,080 pardon. What about those? 1246 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,560 That that only got. Commuted that spent some time in 1247 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,320 prison. Honestly man, if Trump. 1248 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,320 Commuted their sins. He probably had good reason to 1249 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,760 do it man. So this is this is something 1250 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,520 that I, I. Generally kind of default to the 1251 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,480 same kind of thought historically. 1252 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,760 And I'm, and I'm coming around on this too. 1253 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,520 I watched. Are you familiar with the story 1254 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,800 of Joe Biggs? No. 1255 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,800 I talked to Joe Biggs for about two hours. 1256 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,800 He was one of the Proud Boys that got convicted and they were 1257 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,440 convicted of seditious conspiracy against the United 1258 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,680 States. No violence conspiracy. 1259 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,920 Which is the easiest thing to. Prove conspiracy is always easy, 1260 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,240 yeah? And what the and the evidence 1261 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,280 that that was primarily used the the evidence that was shown was 1262 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,040 not a standard that said beyond a reasonable doubt that you must 1263 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,080 be able to prove it so that no reasonable person would think 1264 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,520 otherwise what they said. And this is part of the, the, 1265 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,400 the documentation from the trial is that a fist bump allowed a 1266 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,600 telepathic connection between the two guys who were doing the 1267 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,840 fist bump, that they were now going to engage in an 1268 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,440 insurrection, that they were now going to engage in the sedition, 1269 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,840 they're going to take over the country. 1270 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,240 And they did. So by basically he, he told me 1271 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,240 his story and he's like, I walked in with two hot Italian 1272 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,320 girls. And then I walked back out a few 1273 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,240 minutes later. And then, and then, you know, 1274 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,480 the cop was standing there. And then I went back in again 1275 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,680 and I said, can I use the bathroom? 1276 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,640 And I use the bathroom. And they showed me where it was 1277 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,400 and that was enough to send him to jail for 18 years. 1278 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,320 Well dude, conspiracy is the. Easiest thing to prove if if I 1279 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,000 tell you, hey dude, I'm going to go rob a bank and you give words 1280 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,600 of affirmation like it's like my love language. 1281 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,480 You go, you go good luck. Like you say good luck. 1282 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,680 You are. They can get that you conspired 1283 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,880 to rob a bank too. It's, it's a, it's an evil 1284 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,240 little bureaucratic nomenclature that they used to, to arrest 1285 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,840 people. I mean, who would have thought 1286 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,400 leaving a group chat, which is your constitutional right 1287 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,440 because you don't like what somebody's saying on it is 1288 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,720 destruction of evidence. I mean, conspiracy to sedition. 1289 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,440 But again, when everybody's convinced that you are a 1290 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,840 terrorist and deserve to be in Gitmo, there is no system of 1291 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,960 checks and balances. You have less rights than 1292 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,840 terrorists in Gitmo. I mean, there, there are people 1293 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,320 fighting for the rights of terrorists that are in Gitmo. 1294 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,320 Well, here's here's my problem with what I just shared. 1295 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,040 With you, because the story of those guys, Stuart Rhodes is 1296 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,600 among them as well. You don't have to like him as a 1297 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,720 person. You don't have to like what he 1298 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,080 has to say. You don't have to agree with any 1299 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,440 of his perspectives. You don't get a chance to say 1300 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,240 whether or not he served the United States because he did. 1301 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,800 And it's the same story for Joe. Joe retired. 1302 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,840 So you look at those guys, they retired from military service. 1303 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,800 They honorably separated from military service. 1304 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,200 They had VA benefits. Joe had two Purple Hearts and 1305 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,080 they negated it. And so I found out after the 1306 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,400 fact and I found out while talking to him, they pulled his 1307 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,600 VA benefits. So the man got out of prison. 1308 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,040 He had a a retirement from the military. 1309 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,240 He had VA benefits from the military. 1310 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,400 He hadn't slept in three weeks. When he got out of prison, he 1311 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,840 went over there and said, hey, can I get some medication or can 1312 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,360 I talk to a psychiatrist, psychologist who can diagnose 1313 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,080 what's going on? I haven't slept in three weeks. 1314 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,560 Obviously the anxiety of leaving prison was probably pretty high 1315 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,360 and going cold Turkey right out back out into the world. 1316 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,480 Usually they do a halfway house. And so part of the empathy that 1317 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,880 I'm kind of growing on is it's like, imagine one of your 1318 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,840 brothers who who went through something in the military, 1319 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,960 Purple Heart, blown up record, documented injuries, etcetera. 1320 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,840 And then and they pull the the benefits. 1321 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,360 They act like the thing that happened beforehand, which had 1322 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,000 nothing to do with one day for maybe 30 minutes of time on the 1323 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,480 ground negates the entirety of their life before for decades. 1324 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,360 That to me is it's unconscionable for this country 1325 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,400 to have done and and they did it without even thinking about it. 1326 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,720 Ashley Babbitt was stripped of all. 1327 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,160 Military honors, right? There's a guy, Jeremy Brown, who 1328 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:11,560 is, I know Jeremy Brown story, 20 year SF veteran who was 1329 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,240 pardoned fully. But when they were doing a raid 1330 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,480 related to J6, they found like some inert hand grenades in his 1331 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,960 house or something like that. And and now he's charged with 1332 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,840 having a hand grenade and he's still in prison. 1333 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,600 I mean, I wish Trump would really set up like a, a hotline 1334 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,480 or, or like somebody to kind of could just write a bunch of 1335 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,160 injustices that have been done previously. 1336 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,920 And I mean, I do have a suit against the deal, which I, I 1337 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,080 don't have it actively, but my, there's a malicious prosecution 1338 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,480 suit. That was another motion that I 1339 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,760 filed stating that my brother was there. 1340 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,320 He's a credentialed agent. He had his badge and gun on him. 1341 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,360 He was on Capitol grounds just like me. 1342 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,000 We did not trespass. We didn't violate anything. 1343 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,600 We were together and my brother didn't get a plea deal. 1344 01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,000 My brother didn't get reprimanded. 1345 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,600 He's just OK. And what happened to him? 1346 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,120 What? What was the? 1347 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,640 Story he He's still an agent to this day. 1348 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,360 He's moving back to DC like with nothing. 1349 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,120 He's assigned to the Washington field office or he's. 1350 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,800 I don't know. He's moving back to DC. 1351 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,440 Man, I, I have no idea. He's he's got a supervisory role 1352 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,760 now. So it's like, how much? 1353 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,800 How much has he? Spoken to you in the last, let's 1354 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,560 say 2 years. I I'd stop talking to him, man. 1355 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,319 Because, you know, I, I asked him, I was like, Mike, there 1356 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,040 were some motions where I was like, I wasn't the only federal 1357 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,200 agent there. I, I just, I put motions to this 1358 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,600 judge with Marina Medvin, my, my really great smart attorney, 1359 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,120 basically stating that I wasn't the only federal agent there and 1360 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,120 had had his badge and gun and my brother was there and he was 1361 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,560 texting other agents and there were people in the crowd. 1362 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,359 And my brother was like, you got yourself in the list. 1363 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:43,760 You got to get yourself out of this. 1364 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,439 And I was like, OK, man, sure. So I hadn't talked to my brother 1365 01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,080 for three years. And but again, that's your 1366 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,120 typical FBI type guy. Is he malicious? 1367 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,720 No. Did he turn me in? 1368 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,120 Was he trying to get me arrested? 1369 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,520 I don't think so. But it's just like you're not 1370 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,560 messing up my FBI career, which is my identity and my 1371 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,359 livelihood. And it's like you are my blood 1372 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:07,120 brother, but you you handle yourself and so it's fine. 1373 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,560 I mean, it is what it is. And you know, it's a very 1374 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,920 freeing thing to rid your life of people who are not your true 1375 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,960 friends, like to clean your House of people who are just 1376 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,000 there that are users or people are there that are just there. 1377 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,319 I mean, through this, I, I lost like my blood brother, I guess, 1378 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,960 you know, I don't, I don't really, I'm, I'm indifferent to 1379 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,399 him. Like God tells me to forgive. 1380 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:30,240 So I forgive him. I have no hatred towards him, 1381 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,720 but I really don't care how he lives his life or whatever. 1382 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,080 But I've, I've gained real brothers, brothers in Christ, 1383 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,560 brothers in arms, patriots. I, I've you like, I mean, I've 1384 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,240 met so many cool people through this situation. 1385 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,000 Chuck Liddell, dude, I'll tell you a story about Chuck Liddell. 1386 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,040 Tell me I met Chuck Cadell at church. 1387 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,640 Right. And he's going through a 1388 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,720 divorce. And so I take my number down, 1389 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:54,960 man. And I was like, I don't have my 1390 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,760 cell phone on me. I'm not a fanboy, whatever. 1391 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:57,720 He's like, he took my number down. 1392 01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,080 He was texting me. We became really good friends. 1393 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:05,360 And at the last America fest in Phoenix, because again, this is 1394 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,760 before I was pardoned, I didn't know that Trump was going to do 1395 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,280 a blanket pardon. I thought I had to get my name 1396 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,200 to Trump to get on a pardon list. 1397 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,000 So I called Chuck and I'm like, Chuck, I need you to come help 1398 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,440 me. Like, listen, I'm not about 1399 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,680 using people or clout or any of this. 1400 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,760 But when it comes to watching my son grow up and him being raised 1401 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,840 by another man while I'm in prison fighting for my life, 1402 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,200 I'll call in all the favors. I there's no, there's no pride 1403 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,920 here. I will be whatever I need to do 1404 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,520 to see my son grow up. That's the big game. 1405 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,600 So I called. Chuck and I was like, Hey. 1406 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,600 Dude, can you come to America Fest and can you just try to 1407 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,880 help network for me to get my name to Trump some way, somehow? 1408 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,040 And he's like, Mark, I got my kids that weekend and I was 1409 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,000 like, Chuck, this means a lot to me. 1410 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,640 I was like, don't say anymore. I'm there. 1411 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,680 So Chuck flew to Phoenix from California and he set up a 1412 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,760 meeting with Ted Cruz and a bunch of other people like he 1413 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,120 was trying to, he was hustling for me. 1414 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,560 And that's why I love he made my problem, his problem. 1415 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,400 Chuck knows my, my son. And, and Chuck knew that I, he 1416 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,360 wanted my son to have a father. So he, he joined in, even though 1417 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,960 he's a celebrity and a millionaire and a great, great 1418 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,880 guy and he risked his, his fame, his fortune, his reputation just 1419 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,600 to, to help a lowly person like that. 1420 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,920 Like Chuck should run for office, man, really, he really 1421 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,560 should. Like that's what we need from 1422 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,800 our politicians. I, I'm not going to put any 1423 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,200 names out there because I don't want to sew any division, but 1424 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:33,080 there are some very conservative outspoken people, but 1425 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,760 politicians about J6 that I personally met and they would 1426 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,920 not give me the time of day or look in my direction. 1427 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,040 And I was pleading with them. I was like, I was a federal 1428 01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,000 agent. I did nothing wrong that day. 1429 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,280 I offered assistance. I have a son. 1430 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,240 I don't want to go to jail. Is there anything else you could 1431 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,600 do for me, please? They wouldn't even look at me. 1432 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,080 There's just kept walking and, and I would just, you know, it's 1433 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,360 fine. Like, I mean, I, I, I don't want 1434 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,320 to so division and I don't want to call anybody out. 1435 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,760 I didn't really gain anything by that. 1436 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,240 But I mean, it's, it's the real brothers like Chuck Liddell and 1437 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,640 you and New York Mike, who's got a podcast called rolling with 1438 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,480 Mike. He's like 83 year old air combat 1439 01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:14,160 controller from Vietnam. I got, we met him, I met him at 1440 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,240 a cigar lounge. I was just like smoking and 1441 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,560 drinking and all depressed and everything. 1442 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,320 He's like, what's going on man? And I told him my story. 1443 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,880 He's like, that's bullshit because you know, and he's like, 1444 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,320 I'm going to help you. And I was like, all right. 1445 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,520 And he owned the largest Harley-Davidson dealership in 1446 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,040 America. He owned like 3 Harley-Davidson 1447 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,600 dealerships in San Diego. He's just a, an American hero, 1448 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:38,160 patriot, great guy. He, he got me to election night. 1449 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,520 He got me tickets to election night and then we went to 1450 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,240 America Fest together and he was actually in my mother's kitchen 1451 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,440 When I found out I was unpardoned. 1452 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:49,160 He came with me to inauguration. This dude's 83. 1453 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,000 And we'd be partying with Chuck Liddell till 3:00 in the 1454 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,720 morning, doing shots of tequila and he'd be with us hanging out. 1455 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,240 And I was like, dude, these are my brothers now, man. 1456 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,120 These are the, the American patriots who came by my side and 1457 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,600 loved me through this, encouraged me, told me to stop 1458 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,400 whining, you know, So I'm just, I'm thankful because there are a 1459 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,560 lot of dudes that didn't have that. 1460 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,640 And there's a random note of encouragement. 1461 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,360 Like when I came back from Iraq, I was like depressed and 1462 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,920 whatever. And I was like, do I miss war? 1463 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,480 What's going on? Like I, I don't understand why 1464 01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:23,440 I'm not feeling so hot right now. 1465 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,560 And I, it wasn't, I missed war. It was the camaraderie and the 1466 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,440 fellowship and the brotherhood that like, when you woke up, you 1467 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:31,960 had a guy there. When you're taking a crap, you 1468 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,240 had a guy there and you eat and you had a guy there. 1469 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,760 You get in a firefight, you had a guy there and then you come 1470 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,880 back home and it's just you and a bottle of Jack Daniels. 1471 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:43,720 And it's like, you know, And so I would encourage that military 1472 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,200 veterans, just anybody who's who's hurting, like get a good 1473 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,960 fire team, get a brotherhood around you. 1474 01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,960 Like there is a brotherhood. It is real. 1475 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,160 It may not be the Seals or Special Operations or the FBI or 1476 01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,600 Fleoa or whatever. I reached out to Fleoa and 1477 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,480 they're like, don't ever call me again, Click. 1478 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,320 I was like, I need help. I'm a member. 1479 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:10,280 Like not today you are Click and I would just encourage you to 1480 01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,680 get a get a tight group of guys that you have genuine concern 1481 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,840 for each other and and get your fire team because they'll get 1482 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,120 you through dark times, man. Like that's just another some 1483 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,360 wisdom that I learned through this dark, dark times. 1484 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,440 Yeah, my buddy. My buddy Peter Johnson, who I 1485 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:32,280 had on the program the other day, he says he calls it a mag. 1486 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,080 He says the mutual assistance group, it's the group of people 1487 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,920 that are mutually aligned. They don't agree with everything 1488 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,640 you need. They don't say everything that 1489 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,200 you say. They don't hold all the same 1490 01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,960 thoughts. They don't finish your sentences 1491 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,320 when you're done, but when the chips are down, their skill set 1492 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,000 augments whatever difficulties are in your life. 1493 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,320 So, you know, maybe he said his, his advice was go find a welder. 1494 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,440 If you don't know how to Weld, find a friend who's a welder. 1495 01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,320 Like fill in your gaps of weakness with someone who does 1496 01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:58,760 mine. Mine is, interestingly enough, 1497 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,080 like my wife. I, I'm a communicator, 1498 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,120 obviously, but not full of empathy. 1499 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,160 In fact, the one thing that my dad used to tell me when I was 1500 01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,040 growing up, he's like, you need to, you need to learn empathy. 1501 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,000 And I was like why I? Don't really care you. 1502 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,240 Make a great FBI agent. Well, it turns out you can be. 1503 01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,600 You can be. Stone faced and not care. 1504 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,680 And it's, you know, almost sociopathic to be able to turn 1505 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,080 that thing off. And so the woman I ended up 1506 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,360 marrying is incredibly empathic to the point where it's 1507 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,200 dangerous for her sometimes. So the two of us have this, this 1508 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,520 thing I, I help her kind of harden her shell up and she 1509 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,520 helps soften mine up. And these are important things. 1510 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,040 You can't find people that help you be better people than you 1511 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,760 got to cast him out. But if you do, you got to gather 1512 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,760 those people to you and they'll and they'll only the ones that 1513 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:39,920 will be there when things go wrong. 1514 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,040 How many, how many of the guys you worked with in the DEA 1515 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,360 called you up? Dude? 1516 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,040 0 actually. One one guy is in the Hawaii 1517 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,920 office. Really good dude. 1518 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,360 I had a bar restaurant in DC that was shut down because of 1519 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,600 Kovid, but I had it while I was an agent. 1520 01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:01,040 And so I bring all the agents out of my my class there and we 1521 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,920 drink and have a good time. We spent New Year's there. 1522 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,680 And one guy, his name's Gabe, I'm not gonna give his last 1523 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,320 name, but Gabe is the only he goes Mark, this is just a job, 1524 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,200 dude. He understands like this is just 1525 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,040 a job, like you are a friend and I know your character, I know 1526 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,120 who you are. But I would say even if you need 1527 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,280 a welder, don't find a welder. I just find someone who has 1528 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,280 genuine concern for you, man. It's the same idea. 1529 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,120 It just turns out you'll find somebody. 1530 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,520 Who, who, if you, you're going to need a welder and you're 1531 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,280 going to find someone who's a welder, but you're not going to 1532 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:31,160 choose them because they're a welder. 1533 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,200 You're going to choose them because they're a person that 1534 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,080 that vibe with you and God's going to put them in your, your 1535 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,240 path. You're going to end up having 1536 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:38,720 someone that can solve your problems. 1537 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,200 And I think we, we all kind of see that, but only when you 1538 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,720 really give up. I mean, I think that's the other 1539 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:43,840 big thing. I've been talking to Steve 1540 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,600 friend about this a lot. And it's hard because if you're 1541 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,040 an aggressive alpha type male, if you're, if you're used to 1542 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:54,400 driving and solving and accomplishing and then the only 1543 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,200 answer is to surrender completely, which is the example 1544 01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,160 that Christ puts out in the world. 1545 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,840 This is the this is the, the revolutionary nature of Jesus 1546 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,040 time on earth. He flipped the paradigm, he out 1547 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,360 Alfred everybody by giving up, but not giving up. 1548 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,680 Like in a way that was losing. He lost and won knowing what the 1549 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,720 outcomes going to be. That's such a hard thing for men 1550 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,640 to grasp. It's why I think it's such a 1551 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,640 challenge. You have to go and say the 1552 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,080 ultimate victory is surrender. And there's a reason why we have 1553 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,840 all these kind of things in parable form, right? 1554 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,240 We have we've got Obi Wan Kenobi getting struck down, becoming 1555 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,360 more powerful than you can imagine. 1556 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,320 Like there's a lot of examples of people who have sacrificed 1557 01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,360 themselves to be able to win. And it looks like losing to the 1558 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,720 world. And for me anyway, that it's one 1559 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,880 of the hardest challenges is try to ingest that well, you know, 1560 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,120 there's, there's a. Story of like Shadrach, Meshach 1561 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:49,280 and Abednego and they were like he said, our God can save us 1562 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,440 from the fire, but even if he doesn't, we're not going to bend 1563 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:53,640 the Navy or idle. That's right. 1564 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,960 And there is like it's a dichotomy of strength, trust, 1565 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:04,240 faith, surrender. You know, God doesn't equip, he 1566 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,400 doesn't call the equipped, He equips the called and in the 1567 01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,360 Bible is filled with people who weren't. 1568 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,720 Fit or able to like. David and Goliath or the story 1569 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,920 of Judith or like people who weren't able to do these things, 1570 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,200 like Moses had a stutter, you know, and it was a shepherd and 1571 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,320 he. So there's this. 1572 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,320 But when you when you believe in God and you believe in his 1573 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,320 ultimate power and his goodness and his ability to deliver, 1574 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,400 that's when we become truthfully strong. 1575 01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:39,040 That's when surrendering to him. You know, I'll bend my knee to 1576 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,360 him and no one else. I was, you know, it's crazy, 1577 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,440 dude. I've got stories for days about 1578 01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,400 the FBI man I was dating this chick named Becca. 1579 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,560 She was on the FBI dive team and she was part of the FBI agents 1580 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:55,040 that were forced to take a kneel outside the archives and they 1581 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,480 were throwing bottles at her and threatening her and her group 1582 01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,920 leader or ASAP. I don't even know what you guys 1583 01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,280 call them, but her boss took a knee 1st. 1584 01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,320 And then everyone's screaming, take a knee, take a knee. 1585 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:05,960 And she called me later that day. 1586 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,480 I was like, did you take a knee? And she was like, yeah, Mark, 1587 01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:11,120 you, you weren't there. You don't understand. 1588 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,520 They were threatening us of violence. 1589 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,920 I was like, so you're kitted out and there's like a photo of it 1590 01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,320 out there. Like she's out there with. 1591 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,360 Yeah. Like, you're in body armor, 1592 01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,520 you're armed. You're this like, if you want to 1593 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,160 take a knee for solidarity, for whatever you feel like taking a 1594 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,080 knee is for your black brothers and sisters, that's fine. 1595 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,400 But if you're going to take a knee under the threat of 1596 01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,160 violence, it's a different story, OK, If you want to take a 1597 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:34,840 knee to make a political statement and show your 1598 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,160 solidarity with black people, that's up to you. 1599 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,880 That's, that's your choice. It's, I mean, you know, it's 1600 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,640 probably a #violation, but. You put a gun to my. 1601 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,680 Head or you start throwing yeah well by the way the the agents 1602 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,360 association gave all of them $100.00 gift card I know and 1603 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,360 then they're like oh we can't really do this can you give them 1604 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,480 back to us it's like these are the untold stories of the FBI 1605 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,920 and they don't understand how jacked up the FBI was do you 1606 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,400 want to hear something really crazy because. 1607 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,200 I found this out just now before you got here. 1608 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,680 You know the. Really heavyset. 1609 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,600 Lady, Her name is Sarah Linden. In that picture, she's the only 1610 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,400 one that looks like she ate another FBI agent. 1611 01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,400 She's big. She's like. 1612 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,520 The face of Neil. Team 6, right? 1613 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:17,560 She's a very big gal. She got promoted from SSA to 1614 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,960 ASAC and. She's apparently as. 1615 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:26,280 Of right now, the assistant director of counterintelligence 1616 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,640 for the Bureau. Oh, there you go. 1617 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,840 There you have. It but hey, compliance. 1618 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,160 Pays in the federal government, and there's no greater example 1619 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,960 than someone who is. Let's call us. 1620 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,360 She's 60. Percent. 1621 01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:42,040 She's 60% heavier than she should. 1622 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,440 Be I wouldn't put her past her to. 1623 01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,240 Open a case on us for this conversation. 1624 01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,880 I hope she does. No, I I mean really. 1625 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:52,000 Like we were, we are. I was outside the DC Gulag after 1626 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,080 on, on. Come at me. 1627 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,320 Hold on. Let me just say, come at me. 1628 01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,560 You chunky, chunky monkey. I fear not. 1629 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,080 I fear not fat FBI agents at this point, not in my life. 1630 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,080 But I honestly do. I'll tell you. 1631 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,400 I'll tell you a quick story. I was outside the DC Gulag on 1632 01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,520 inauguration day and I saw the the MPD officers start cordoning 1633 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,960 cordoning off the area. And we saw a bunch of people 1634 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,920 with cameras and agent looking dudes in their cars. 1635 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:26,360 And I was like, honestly, I was scared, but I was like, a new 1636 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,360 day has dawned, like the FBI lost its teeth. 1637 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:34,160 And but, and even then, it wasn't that the FBI lost its 1638 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,560 teeth. Just as there was a a shift in. 1639 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,960 Me, I didn't really speak up. I know FBI agents, names that 1640 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,200 were in the crowd. I know the informants, Jason R 1641 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,120 Higley. Like I I thought that if I if I 1642 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,160 just didn't speak up too much, they'd let me off the light 1643 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,200 beating. Surely they don't think I'm a 1644 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,160 domestic terrorist, right? And then when they came after me 1645 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,720 with everything that I had and the reason why I couldn't even 1646 01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,000 talk was because there was a gag order on my discovery. 1647 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,640 And and they, they tried to arrest me after I made a Tucker 1648 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,880 Carlson patriot purge. I was shooting in the video and 1649 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,760 it was filmed pre indictment. And then they, the marshals came 1650 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,720 after me for a post indictment. They're like, you broke bail. 1651 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,520 You, you possessed a weapon. And luckily the F the Fox News 1652 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,360 producer picked up his phone and sent a letter to my attorney. 1653 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,000 My attorney sent it to the prosecutors. 1654 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,720 They were hungry after me, man. And thank God they all got 1655 01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:26,720 fired. You know what I mean? 1656 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,200 They were evil. They were in the wrong. 1657 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:31,920 Listen, if I went in the building or if I hurt somebody, 1658 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,160 I would say fry me. I, I messed up. 1659 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,440 I wasn't thinking straight. I, I, please fry me. 1660 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,560 I have a, a, a lifelong history of doing what's right and 1661 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,760 serving my nation. I messed up. 1662 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,360 I, I would admit that I messed up. 1663 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,840 Take my licks like a man and be like whatever comes, comes. 1664 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,000 I messed up. I didn't never stepped foot in 1665 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,560 that building, never hurt anybody, never unholstered my 1666 01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,600 pistol, never did anything. And offered assistance to the 1667 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:05,400 FBIA good guy, you know, and they, they came after me. 1668 01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,600 So it, it, it's silence, You know, compliance doesn't mean 1669 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:14,280 the I never thought I would be a political prisoner in my own 1670 01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,160 country ever. Ever. 1671 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,280 Yeah, nobody can fathom it. Right. 1672 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:21,160 Especially. Having served my nation, I 1673 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,560 haven't carried a gun for the majority of my adult and that's 1674 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,400 what it comes down to for. Most of the folks that are 1675 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,360 there, it's been such a one hundred 180° reversal on their 1676 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,200 their belief in the institutions that the default position is the 1677 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,720 USA is the good guy. And here's the crazy thing. 1678 01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,400 How many people are cheering for doge? 1679 01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,960 How many people are just thrilled? 1680 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,680 They're like got this ugly animal that has been coming 1681 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,000 after people. It has abused its authorities, 1682 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,560 it's abused its its its position in the world and all of like, we 1683 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:52,800 just don't buy your bullshit anymore. 1684 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,640 We just don't like as a default now we assume you're the bad guy 1685 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,560 until proven otherwise, which by the way, a lot of us who are 1686 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,240 kind of in the libertarian Ben, like I'm, I'm Christian, more 1687 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,400 importantly than libertarian. So I don't think libertarianism 1688 01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,320 is a complete philosophy. But politically I'm kind of a 1689 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,760 live and let live guy. You know, I'm not, I stay out of 1690 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,120 the way and I never trusted government. 1691 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,720 I didn't trust government when I worked there. 1692 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,960 The funniest joke was people would would ask, I have actually 1693 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,080 a buddy who's still working for the Bureau. 1694 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,440 We were talking the other night and I said, if our Quantico 1695 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,960 class got together and signed in, look at the two of us and 1696 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,880 they were like, is it going to be Serafin or C? 1697 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,080 Who's going to be the first one that's going to get kicked out 1698 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,040 of the Bureau? 100 out of 100 of them would 1699 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,080 have chosen CA hundred of them, no doubt. 1700 01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,280 We were both cracking up about it. 1701 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,120 And I go, what are the odds? And he was like, it was just the 1702 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,840 right amount of circumstances. They pushed your nozzle. 1703 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,880 I said the funniest thing is if they had asked the two of us, we 1704 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,440 would have agreed it was you, but I would have been right 1705 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:47,320 after you because what, they didn't realize that I've always 1706 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,440 been like this and I never thought the government was the 1707 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,360 right answer. So I maybe was less jaded than 1708 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,720 some folks who really did believe it all the way. 1709 01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,480 I just know I was a true believer. 1710 01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:57,120 Man, I know it. Absolutely. 1711 01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,840 A true believer. Yeah, it is a huge betrayal. 1712 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,400 I was risking my life in Iraq and Kurdistan, Syria. 1713 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,840 I was blown up being shot at and like giving information to the 1714 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,280 legal attache and Erbil and and and I get debriefed by FBICT 1715 01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,720 agents out here in Manassas, VA. Just think about how many bunch 1716 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,520 of stuff, man. But like, I was a true believer 1717 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,880 that our government would never lie to us. 1718 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,000 Yeah, our government would. Never harm. 1719 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,080 Us, they had our best interest. And then then here I am in the 1720 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:33,800 DC gulag facing 16 years and a judge is comparing me to a 1721 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,480 psychopath with a hand grenade, Right? 1722 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,080 Which is how you get guys like. Like Robert O'Neill or, or take 1723 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,760 your pick of like fill, fill in the blank. 1724 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,480 How about Mike Glover? Like dudes who are studs who 1725 01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:45,240 went out and did the mission. And not everybody loves 1726 01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,600 everybody in the teams and, and, and the different ODA's. 1727 01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,960 That's not always the case. Everybody's got a reputation. 1728 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,560 But people who did the mission, who went out there in good faith 1729 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,320 and prosecuted it and did it the hard way, right. 1730 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,560 And then they come back here and now they're all going like, man, 1731 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,360 was I just killing people for politicians and for somebody's 1732 01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,800 stock prices to go up at Raytheon or or Boeing or General 1733 01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,640 Electric. I just put a tweet out and it 1734 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,720 was about, you know, isn't it disgusting to see Pete Hegseth 1735 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,200 out there P teen with the troops in Germany? 1736 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,560 Like God forbid we are like, how is he going to be able to help 1737 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,440 the Raytheon boardrooms make more money if he's out there 1738 01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:18,440 just trying to show some, you know, he's a civilian for God's 1739 01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:20,560 sake. You know it's God bless Pete 1740 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:21,640 Hexeth. Yeah. 1741 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,400 Do you need any help at the Pentagon? 1742 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,640 Call me Dog. We're we're seeing a reversal. 1743 01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,640 Though of people who are now like, you know, it's almost like 1744 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,560 a teenage punk rock moment I grew up in, like the people who 1745 01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,120 are, who are against the authority, like they were the, 1746 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,000 you know, damn the man save the empire, right? 1747 01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,920 We wanted small, small government. 1748 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,080 We wanted small companies to thrive. 1749 01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,720 We wanted the big stuff. And then you get a little older 1750 01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,440 and you're like, no, no, no, there's a position for the 1751 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:43,720 government. The government's got to keep the 1752 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:44,680 peace. That's got to do those things. 1753 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,360 And then you get a little bit older and you're like, Nah, 1754 01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,040 they've abused that authority. Like screw them. 1755 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,320 Like, I want to see it all bleed. 1756 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,360 I want to see doge come in with a 19 year old kid named Harry 1757 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:56,640 Balls cutting, cutting the nuts off all of these bloated federal 1758 01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,320 bureaucracies. And so the energy has changed in 1759 01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,240 this country. And Donald Trump's pardon of J 1760 01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,800 Sixers was a piece of it. And honestly, it's the I mean, I 1761 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,800 think I think it's the eye of the hurricane, interestingly 1762 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,040 enough. And after that, pardon and 1763 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,520 conservatives, we. Forget way too quickly. 1764 01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,840 They tried to kill Trump twice in July of last. 1765 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,680 Year. It hasn't even been a year they 1766 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:23,080 indicted him. They told him to sit down while 1767 01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,360 they went through Melania's underwear drawer. 1768 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,840 They raided his house. They made anything and 1769 01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,560 everything. The most scrutinized man in the 1770 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,160 history of America. Then they couldn't find anything 1771 01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:34,680 on him. They had to go back for 1772 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,360 something and pass the statue of limitations. 1773 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,040 That's right. And I love Trump because he 1774 01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,080 never gave up. Like God bless you, brother, 1775 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,280 like you never gave up. You never gave up the fight. 1776 01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,520 And and because of it, you, you never giving up and saying F 1777 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,720 this, I'm done with this. You saved the you saved the 1778 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,320 Republic. And and I would have called that 1779 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,680 hyperbole. Previously, but I don't anymore. 1780 01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,800 And, and it's, it's an interesting moment. 1781 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,920 I'm glad you never gave in. I'm glad for all the people that 1782 01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,920 never took a plea, that were ready to go to face trial, 1783 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,760 knowing it was unjust. I, I told people I think my 1784 01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,840 first podcast with Dan Bongino, I, I said my proudest, one of my 1785 01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,880 proudest moments in my life. You know, I'm proud of being a 1786 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:07,920 dad. I'm proud of being married. 1787 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,480 I like those things, but like one of the proudest moments, 1788 01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,320 certainly in my professional life was that the FBI found that 1789 01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,360 I was unworthy of their organization before they went 1790 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,200 and raided Mar A Lago. I really am grateful that they 1791 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,120 threw me out before that the the. 1792 01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,600 Logistical night, tactical nightmare of doing the handoff 1793 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,440 between Secret Service and the FBI and that's why they brought 1794 01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:30,320 in HRT and they. Said you're a they brought in. 1795 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,040 HRT I didn't know that and they authorized deadly force. 1796 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,040 I'm surprised one of the corrupt agents didn't kill Trump while 1797 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:37,840 they were searching Mar a Lago. He wasn't there. 1798 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:38,760 That was the whole thing. So this. 1799 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,000 Is some of this stuff got blown out of proportion and it's been 1800 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,800 problematic. And again, this is for people 1801 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,440 who don't understand they specifically coordinated with 1802 01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:48,000 Secret Service. You can read the op order and 1803 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,600 you probably haven't. It's more of an obsession of 1804 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,480 mine because it's, you know, my old agency, but they looked up, 1805 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:53,640 they found out when he was traveling. 1806 01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,960 They had a liaison contact. They had an ability to to de 1807 01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,440 conflict with Secret Service. They sent people in the deadly 1808 01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:01,480 force policy has to be on every single op order. 1809 01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:03,880 Do you know that it cannot not be on there? 1810 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,160 Do you know why? Because. 1811 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:07,440 If they kill somebody, they go to jail. 1812 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,200 Because of Ruby Ridge. It's been on. 1813 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,000 There since Ruby. Ridge, which by the way, people 1814 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,080 reached out to me and told me about Ruby Ridge and I have more 1815 01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,000 empathy for the FBI sniper that took the shot. 1816 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,800 Not that he missed. That's not good, obviously, But 1817 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,000 the shot probably was justified based under the rules of 1818 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,240 engagement they were operating under, which is why it's now on 1819 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,440 every single FD 888. The operations order tells you 1820 01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,240 what has to happen. But the reason that they 1821 01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:34,760 supposedly shot at, at Randy Weaver, it is a good shoot if 1822 01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,720 you are already there. And I don't think they should 1823 01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,480 have been there in the 1st place because I don't agree with the 1824 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:40,800 warrant. And the same problem with like 1825 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,320 Donald Trump's people, you know, they went to the, they went to 1826 01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,240 go search Mar a Lago. I don't think they should have 1827 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:46,560 ever been there. I think that was a travesty. 1828 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,760 I think we could probably agree on that. 1829 01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,240 It's absurd, but once they're there, they're going to do 1830 01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,400 search warrants stuff, they are going to search drawers, they 1831 01:29:52,440 --> 01:29:54,680 are going to go through stuff. So the minute you already agree 1832 01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,720 to that, you drop that quarter and they're going to take the 1833 01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,200 ride. The reason they shot at Randy 1834 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,680 Weaver, supposedly it, it looked like he was raising his weapon 1835 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,160 towards a, towards a helicopter, their aerial platform that was 1836 01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,040 above, which would in fact be a deadly force engagement. 1837 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,800 Problem is, is that, you know, there was a miss and it killed a 1838 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,520 child and and his wife. So all of that is terrific. 1839 01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,240 I mean terrifically bad. It's like the most horrific 1840 01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,480 moment you could have is that you're not only are you like 1841 01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:19,160 you're authorized, but you missed and you killed 1842 01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,200 bystanders. So all of that is and it's 1843 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,640 praised as like a. They award their their their 1844 01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,760 failures. It's praised as like a great 1845 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,800 operation in the FBI. I guarantee you there's Yeah, I 1846 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,720 mean, I. Guarantee you people were like 1847 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,400 proud of the of the fact that they finished and that they 1848 01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:34,720 were. There was no bloodshed and they 1849 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,080 did a great job of the tactical clear of Mon a Lago because 1850 01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,440 there's no other way to do it. It's like, how else do you go 1851 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:41,800 and tell your friends like I did this thing unless you say I did 1852 01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,480 it really well. I did my job really well, but 1853 01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:47,200 your job was unethical and there wasn't a single agent. 1854 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,080 That spoke up as a part of that. We we don't know that yet. 1855 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,320 And that's. What I think that's what's going 1856 01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:55,240 to be interesting about Patel getting in, 'cause I have. 1857 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,120 Such a hard time believe in. That no, I think it would have 1858 01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,520 made news it. Would have made national news 1859 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,040 no, no, they wouldn't speak out publicly I. 1860 01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,760 Want to know if anybody objected in the team room that said, I'm 1861 01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,400 not going to go. I'm sitting this one out, boss. 1862 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,320 How many people did that 'cause there's a possibility that 1863 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:08,640 happened. And if they did, I hope that 1864 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,480 person is is raised up what we learned from the Holocaust. 1865 01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,720 You brought up Nazis earlier. So let's just kind of dig into 1866 01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,200 it just briefly before we kind of shut this thing down. 1867 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,920 But during the Holocaust, they had the there. 1868 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,960 There's a whole book, it's called Ordinary men. 1869 01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,200 It's about men following orders. They were reserved police 1870 01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,560 battalion one O 1. And so Gerardo Boyle and I talk 1871 01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,200 about this all the time. They were given orders that were 1872 01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,280 illegal, immoral, unethical things that should not have been 1873 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:33,760 followed. And everybody did. 1874 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,200 There's a few people that are objected to it. 1875 01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:37,880 They said, look, I can't do that, not in good conscience. 1876 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,400 I can't go out there and round up the Jews. 1877 01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:40,760 I can't go out there and take these children. 1878 01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,080 I can't go out there and put them on a box car. 1879 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,040 I can't execute old people because they're slow. 1880 01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,960 You know what happened to those guys? 1881 01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,200 Nothing. Nothing happened when they spoke 1882 01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,000 up and said I'm not going to participate. 1883 01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,800 So the historical experiment has already been done that when 1884 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,720 people objected to orders that were unlawful or immoral, 1885 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,720 unconstitutional, you know, maybe, maybe you lose your job. 1886 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,720 Yeah. But but you're destroying. 1887 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,320 Otherwise, they came after. Me, they didn't go. 1888 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,080 After Steve friend for objecting to using the SWAT team and I 1889 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,160 find that interesting because in the order of things they were 1890 01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,240 more upset about me exposing things than they were about a 1891 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:18,560 guy who said look, I'm sitting this one out. 1892 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,360 That's not right. And so I respect the hell of the 1893 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,000 fact that he did that, no question. 1894 01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:25,920 But it's. Also useful to know that there. 1895 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:31,120 Was no subpoena for his records over that so again and again 1896 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,440 history rewards us with this like knowledge that you can 1897 01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:35,600 object to something that's wrong and generally speaking nothing 1898 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,040 happens to you and how does know how do more people not do it you 1899 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,920 know I would encourage. Americans and I, I got a video 1900 01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,160 for you that I want you to play at the end of this, if that's 1901 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:49,000 cool. I would encourage Americans to 1902 01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,080 not just quietly object. I would encourage Americans that 1903 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,240 if you see something wrong that you would take a stand against 1904 01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,160 it. And it doesn't matter if you're 1905 01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:03,120 an FBI agent, DEA agent, if you a pastor, or if you or have a 1906 01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,640 Italian restaurant in the memory of your mother. 1907 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,520 When they come for your rights and your freedoms, they can 1908 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,680 never be taken. They can only be surrendered, 1909 01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:14,640 right? That's something Americans 1910 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,200 really need to understand. You are citizens of the greatest 1911 01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:22,200 country that ever existed and that you have God-given, 1912 01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,080 constitutionally protected rights. 1913 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,640 And you need to stand firm in those rights and stand firm in 1914 01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,200 your God and stand firm in who you are. 1915 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,800 And if you don't believe in God, stand firm in that you're, you 1916 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,120 know, you're not going to let yourself be abused. 1917 01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,080 We needed more people to speak up. 1918 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:46,720 And until we have more heroes than cowards in this nation, we 1919 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,800 are quickly going to find ourselves back there. 1920 01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,840 I mean, I keep saying this, we're in a high speed wobble 1921 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,840 right now. Like what happens if Governor 1922 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,000 Newscom gets elected in four years? 1923 01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,840 What is he going to weaponize the DOJ? 1924 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,360 Like, what's that going to look like? 1925 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,600 You probably be arrested. You're going to have HRT kicking 1926 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,000 in your door. And they probably won't won't 1927 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,120 they'll be like, they probably won't care to, to put handcuffs 1928 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,280 on you, right? So that's, that's what I'm 1929 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,320 saying. I need Americans and patriots 1930 01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:19,120 need to stand up. Christians need to stand up and 1931 01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:23,680 we need to stand in truth and for constitutional rights and 1932 01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,200 for what our country was founded upon. 1933 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,800 So we never go back to where we were because right now we're 1934 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,760 winning and doge and Elon Musk and everything's really great. 1935 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,600 And I'm, I'm excited about all of it. 1936 01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,120 But what happens four years from now? 1937 01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:39,640 No, it's got to be, it's got to be locked. 1938 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,480 In And you're right. And so if Trump goes? 1939 01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:45,400 Full bore for four years and then JD Vance for 8:00 or 1940 01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,680 another something. I'm praying that like 12 years 1941 01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,800 of just bringing America back to its patriotic constitutional 1942 01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:58,920 roots, we may swing back left, but never back to where we were, 1943 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,800 you know, and yeah, or, or else what was? 1944 01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,280 Any of this about? Yeah, the greatest. 1945 01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,720 Experiment in in democracy and and self government and then 1946 01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,720 vote away all of your. Own civil liberties, which is 1947 01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,400 what we keep saying. It's the strangest thing in the 1948 01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,760 world to watch people who claim to be quote UN quote liberals. 1949 01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,560 I would call them leftist, but to see people who claim to be 1950 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,400 one thing vote away liberty. It's not like, oh, I don't want 1951 01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,600 to exercise that liberty. They're like, you shouldn't have 1952 01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,920 that liberty either. Are you familiar with Yuri? 1953 01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:31,200 Besmanov Yeah, just go watch Yuri Besmanov's interview on 1954 01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,200 YouTube. It's totally it's totally self. 1955 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,920 Demoralized. It's, you know, it's active 1956 01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:36,480 measures. We've had my ideological 1957 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:40,280 subversion. And, and it's just, it's, it's, 1958 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,120 it's been working until till recently, thanks to the, the 1959 01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,840 hard efforts of Charlie Kirk and his grassroots program and, and 1960 01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,320 podcasters like you and Bryce Eddie, a lot of people were not 1961 01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:52,880 afraid to speak up for the truth. 1962 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,240 Pastor Rob McCoy, I mean, Pastor Rob, he, he says I have the 1963 01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,040 ability of preaching a church down to a manageable size. 1964 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,320 And then when he stood firm in the truth, his church exploded. 1965 01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:04,040 Is also is the only church that was open. 1966 01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,480 But, you know, I mean, people like that. 1967 01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:12,200 And then when they were going to arrest churchgoers at Pastor 1968 01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,680 Rob's church, there's another church, Tim Phillips Church in 1969 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,400 Riverside or Temecula somewhere that and his churchgoers, his 1970 01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,600 parishioners were going to Pastor Rob's church to get 1971 01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,920 arrested because it would be an honor to be arrested for, you 1972 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,000 know, be like believing, which is also your, you know, 1973 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,880 congregating to worship, which is also your constitutional 1974 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,440 right. There's so many untold stories 1975 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:39,760 of this attack on our civil liberties, on our rights or 1976 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,680 constitutional rights, or. And it happened everywhere. 1977 01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,000 It wasn't just. Like a California thing. 1978 01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,080 I mean, it happened in Idaho. There I met some guys from 1979 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,520 Moscow, ID who had the same thing happened and that you'd 1980 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,360 think that Idaho would be like the cutting edge of of don't 1981 01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,240 tread on me and get off my lawn, but that that was not the case. 1982 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,960 They were cops out there saying if you're not properly distance, 1983 01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,920 if you seen hymns outdoors in a flippant parking lot, we're 1984 01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,320 going to take your freedom. And so, yeah, we did see that we 1985 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,440 do have a buy. We got a little bit of a of a 1986 01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:06,240 brief reprieve in this firefight for, for whatever it is we're 1987 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,080 fighting for. And I think we get another 1988 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,640 little shot at that. And I hope we don't miss. 1989 01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,880 You know, I really don't because I don't want to see you go to 1990 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,040 prison. I don't want to see me go to 1991 01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,640 prison. I don't want my kids growing up 1992 01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,760 without a dad. But I think they all kind of 1993 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,400 realized some people understand the stakes now, you know, I'm 1994 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,720 not afraid anymore. I used to be so afraid of going 1995 01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:27,840 to prison really. And I realized like I, I'm not 1996 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,080 letting fear dictate my life anymore, especially these fear 1997 01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:35,640 of these cowardice, you know, chunky monkeys sit behind their 1998 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,840 desk and barely, you know, they have to carry their pistol 1999 01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,200 outside the waistband. Like, you know, I, I'm not 2000 01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,040 afraid anymore, man. I, I don't care. 2001 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:48,320 Come after me. Truthfully, come after me like I 2002 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,440 know God and the truth are on my side and come what, what, 2003 01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:54,280 whatever happens, happens, you know, and it's, I don't mean 2004 01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,560 that as a threat. Whatever way the left is going 2005 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,840 to twist this story or whatever. I just, I refuse to live in fear 2006 01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:00,800 anymore. That's it. 2007 01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,200 Because their playbook and their hand has been exposed and they 2008 01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,520 overplayed their hand and America has rejected them. 2009 01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,480 I mean, Trump got the majority vote. 2010 01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:15,320 Trump, a convicted felon, won the majority vote after they 2011 01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,680 tried to kill him twice. Like we must never forget this, 2012 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,760 right? And so they're like, oh, doge 2013 01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,680 and he's cutting USAID and blah, blah, blah. 2014 01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,720 And he's a he's a bigot. It's like you guys tried to kill 2015 01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:32,480 him twice, right? Like he's a convicted felon. 2016 01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:38,840 You raided his home like and he still won as my buddy George 2017 01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:40,240 Hill. Likes to say payback is a 2018 01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,320 medevac and. That's what's going on right now 2019 01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:44,720 in this country. Hopefully it continues. 2020 01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,800 Anyhow, let's let's keep it up. Where? 2021 01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,400 What's our people? Can they follow you on social 2022 01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,000 media now? Like your life is weird? 2023 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:55,160 I have no social. Media I I I just I don't I don't 2024 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,960 want any of of this cloud. I mean, I have a give send go to 2025 01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,960 cover my attorney fees. So and I just want to cover my 2026 01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,640 attorney fees. Anything above my attorney fees 2027 01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,960 that's raised, I'm going to give to the families of of destitute 2028 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:11,040 J Sixers of they they locked up the sole provider for their 2029 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,520 family, sole protector and provider for their family for 2030 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,720 months. So I'm going to try to to bless 2031 01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,320 those families if I raise anything above my attorney fees 2032 01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,360 and you can hold me accountable for that. 2033 01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,080 So yeah, I have a give send go called Marks Liberty fund. 2034 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,480 I got the platform from GoFundMe. 2035 01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:34,320 Surprising, but yeah, I mean, I I'm just you know, I'm living a 2036 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,880 quiet life trying to raise my kid and be able to provide for 2037 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,680 my family looking for work. I really hope that the, the, 2038 01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:46,840 the, the, the DEA administrator reinstates me obviously for this 2039 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,000 injustice and I can continue serving my nation. 2040 01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,160 You know, I would love to go to work for cash or go to work for 2041 01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:56,240 the current, you know, the administrator or just, I don't 2042 01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:57,960 know, but we'll see what happens. 2043 01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,400 I mean, God does some interesting things. 2044 01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:01,840 With the men who are willing. Yeah. 2045 01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,400 Yeah. All right. 2046 01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,320 Put that hat back on. Let people see it real quick. 2047 01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:07,480 We'll shut this thing down here. There it is. 2048 01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:09,160 There you go, buddy. Mark, thanks for joining me. 2049 01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:10,720 Today there. Now see, you should have been 2050 01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,040 doing that. You look way more mysterious 2051 01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,840 right now. Fantastic. 2052 01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:15,520 Thanks for thanks for stopping in. 2053 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,360 We don't do a lot of in the person things, but you were in 2054 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,800 the neighborhood so I'm glad you stopped in and it's good to be 2055 01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,520 able to do it in the same room. Thank you for having me and God 2056 01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:22,880 bless you and your. Family, brother, keep up the 2057 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,040 fight. Will do, buddy. 2058 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,680 All right. All right, And that is it for us 2059 01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,160 today. On this Sunday, sit down with my 2060 01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:34,280 friend Mark Ibram. 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