We needed more people to speak up and until we have more heroes
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My guest today in studio were making a rare exception to try
to do this live. It's Mark Abraham, and he's
going to tell you some wild story in addition to looking
like a Mexican gardener who just snuck in here.
Did they pick you up at Home Depot on the way?
My friend, I knew it. I knew this.
It was the vanity. It was going to come out.
It was going to come out right away.
So, buddy, you got a wild story. I don't think a lot of people
know it. I think that you found yourself
in a space where you had to kind of keep it on the DL for a bit.
Why don't you tell people, let's start with where you grew up.
Let's get, let's get, let's start at the beginning.
Yeah, So my mother escaped Communist Cuba and she did 33
years of government service as ADOD civilian.
She was in the Pentagon on 9/11, went back the next day in high
heels to give those terrorists what they deserve.
And she instilled in all of us that we have a debt to this
country and that freedom isn't free.
And so my brother, who's a current FBI agent now, my sister
joined the Navy. She was an insane SWO.
My brother went Army, eventually Army special operations and then
a federal agent. I followed my brother into the
Army. I was an Army Intel officer and
my last unit was 20th Special Forces group.
And my then I followed him into federal law enforcement.
And instead of being an FBI agent, because I just thought
they're a bunch of analysts with guns who doctor up three O twos,
I joined the DEA and I I saw that fentanyl opioid pandemic
was killing about 100 to 120 thousand Americans.
And if I really wanted to protect Americans, I'd, I'd
fight, you know, go join the premier agency to fight that
with the Drug Enforcement Administration.
And yeah. And so, but my father was a
Coptic Orthodox Christian who fled persecution in Egypt.
And he was an Air Force Mig pilot and came here and met my
mom in Jersey and the rest was history.
So you grew up in New Jersey? No, I grew up in Florida and
then Virginia. I was born in Florida and then
and then raised in Virginia, Northern Virginia.
Let me let me see if you can clear something up for me.
The rumor at Quantico is, is that all DEA trainees and all
FBI trainees have one thing in common.
You know what that is? I know.
They all want to be FBI occasions.
OK. All I know is we spend a lot
more day on on the range and on combatives than you guys do.
So I'll just leave. Yeah.
No, I, I had AI had a funny experience watching that.
I watched the guys from the DEA jogging around.
They looked bigger, fitter, stronger, more militant and kind
of doing, you know, guide on bearing, you know, drill and
things like this, like paramilitary tile stuff.
And then you saw people in and on my side of the Quantico base
and they were all kind of like doing like a gaggle everywhere
they went. And it was kind of.
It's kind of horrible. I mean I would just cruise the
FBI holes looking for chicks to date so.
That wasn't that was successful at some.
Point I did, yeah. I dated a couple FBI agents.
Females. Females.
It's a good thing you clarify that even though it is 2025 and
we are going back to saying gay and retarded again, it doesn't
mean some people are not both of those things.
Yeah. Let's get let's get into the
story where your life goes awry, because it's certainly did.
How long were you with the the DEA before January 6th?
I mean, if you include the Academy and everything, it was,
it was just under about two years, OK.
So yeah, I was, I went to, it was an agent first in DC and
then I got sent out to Orange County, California.
And how long were you with the military, in whatever
capacities? 10 years.
Ten years and so, so about 12 years of military service prior
to, I'm sorry, of government service total prior to January
6th. Yeah, and not including ROTC,
Yeah, which is my real service to America.
It's showing up and dealing with it, dealing with that.
Let's talk about that day because I know it changed your
life. It probably changed your family
experience in a big way. Lay it on me.
Just what were you doing there? What what made you show up on
that day and what was your capacity as far as official?
Who were you employed by and where and all that kind of
stuff? Yeah, so after I I'm still in
the service. I was an FBI source of
information or informant, I don't know, however they
classified me, but I was finding terrorist cells, ISIS cells
specifically in the United States and in Iraq and Syria.
And while I was overseas, I ran into an FBI informant named
Jorge Chalcedilla, who was, you know, we were in Iraq together
and then we, he's Cuban and we became friends and, you know, he
suffered from PTSD and a couple other things, was trying to help
mentor him out of his depression and whatever.
And so he came and lived with me and I was just trying to help
him out. But then he got, you know, his
FBI handlers reached out to him and got him doing a bunch of
white supremacy militia group type work.
And they sent him out to Cliven Bundy standoff, a bunch of
militia standoffs. And he was the one who told me
initially about J6 and he was like, hey Mark, I'm going to J6,
would you mind picking me up from the airport and taking me
there? He knew that I was armed and I
could protect him and all that jazz.
So I told my brother about it, who is an active credentialed
FBI agent at the time. And so me, my DEA credentialed
agent, my brother who is a credentialed FBI agent and this
FBI informant all went to the J6 rally.
I asked him, are you working? And he said yes.
I said, well, show me the text message from your handler, like
the the tasking, if you will. And he showed me it.
And I was like, OK, that he said collect as much information as
you can, be safe. And I said, OK, that's good
enough for me. And so we we walked around and
we got there. And you know, if I saw anything
violent against officers, I would have absolutely acted.
I mean, you come after my brothers in blue, like I'll come
after you. And so we obviously I never saw
anything otherwise I would have arrested somebody.
And he said, Mark, I'm going to go in the building.
And I said, if you go in that building, I'm going to arrest
you or leave you here. It's like you drive someone to
the bank, like I'll be right back.
I'm going to rob the bank. It's like, no, like I'm being me
being a federal agent. I was like, I'm going to arrest
you if you go in that building. And I'm definitely not going to
be here if you go in that building.
And so he got angry and he did eventually go in that building.
I found out years later through some video, I was like, oh crap,
that's, that's Jorge. But anyways, and he got angry,
sold a story to Reuters for like $100,000 about a gun toting DEA
agent in the crowd. And you know, he tried to extort
me too. I mean, it's just, it's just,
it's insane. This the absolute insanity of
the story. You know, I, I linked up with
the WFO SWAT team, the FB is Washington field office SWAT
team out there. I was tight with a lot of these
dudes. I trained with some of them,
some of them were at my graduation from the DEA Academy
and they were out there and they're all massed up and kitted
up. And I recognize them from their
tactical numbers and, and on their patches and everything and
good friends, their team medic and, and sniper.
A very close friend of mine, my son's actually named after him
and good brother. And he walked up and I was like,
hey man, any way I can assist you?
Anything I can do they have their BearCat out there or their
tactical vehicle? And I said, I'll watch your
vehicle. If you need me to go on a stack.
Anything I can do to help you, let me know.
We're here. And some, some people are
hackling them. Be like, you're who, who do you
defend? And you guys aren't patriots and
blah, blah. And I was like, these guys are
real Americans. They're patriots and they were
there and, and you know, in, in uniform, they weren't plain
clothes trying to rile up the crowd or anything.
And they were the ones who hadn't eventually shut down the
Capitol building cause Capitol Police lost their heads after
opening the doors and letting everybody in.
The FBI SWAT team went in there and, and, and shut, shut the
showdown. And so they are American heroes,
man. And it's just, it's a shame that
there weren't more whistleblowers.
It's a shame that there weren't more brave agents to speak up
about the the BS that they saw that day.
But anyway, so Jorge sold the story to Reuters.
Reuters ran the story. The DEA basically suspended me
three times for my role in January 6 and then fired me for
performance issues 'cause they thought they're being cute and
they weren't when violate my First Amendment right by firing
me for being at January 6. So that that's a wrong that
needs to be righted. But you don't leave on that day.
Yes, yeah, I was on leave. So you're allowed to do whatever
you want on your own time, Yeah. Absolutely.
But there's this weird little thing of people say off duty
agent. Agents aren't off duty.
You're either assigned a job, but you're always an agent.
That's why you fly armed. If you're on vacation, you still
fly armed. If there's a felony or a violent
crime happening in front of you, you're still expected to act.
We can be held criminally if we don't operate in a certain way,
right? And so there's no thing there
like off duty special agent was there.
It's like I'm always a special agent.
I'm always a credentialed agent. I always have arrest authority.
I always, I'm allowed to carry my gun, you know, and, and so
it, it was, it was just a, so anyways, they ran that article.
The DEA knew who I was. And so they didn't fire me
immediately. They, they tried to keep me on.
They're like, as long as you didn't go in the building or
hurt anybody, you're good. And I was like, I'm, I'm not a
criminal. I, I, you know, I would never do
anything like that. And so then I guess it just the,
the narrative with the, the administration and everything
and they end up firing me. I went on Tucker Carlson and
basically said, it's, it's a shame I lost my job.
I love my country. I've been blown up multiple
times. I have multiple TB is for my
service in this nation. And, you know, and then after I
went on Tucker and spoke up, that's when they indicted me and
they gag ordered me with my discovery and all this stuff.
And they're like, you can't talk about this and that.
And, and I was facing 16 years in prison.
Main reason why I didn't take a plea deal was because there's a
terrorist enhancement after everything I've done in Iraq and
everything I've done for my country and my mom being in the
Pentagon on 9/11 and, and the, the legacy of my siblings
serving in the, in the military and federal law enforcement.
And then now I, you know, I'm a terrorist, allegedly.
And so I was like, no, not doing that.
And, and thank God, I, I thank God Trump made promises made
promises kept. And I was actually going to go
to trial January 23rd and I was going to be convicted on January
23rd because I've sent so many motions and I knew how the judge
was going to respond. And so anyways, the judge signed
the dismissal on January 22nd at like 7:00 PM So God's rarely
early, but He's always on time. This is literally what, the day
before or the the. Night before, the night before,
yeah, I was like within 10 hours of yeah, within 10 hours of
going to trial and being convicted.
And it's crazy because I, I fought this tooth and nail.
I appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court wouldn't hear it. I found in the code section, the
Capitol Police, a code traffic code is like all duly appointed
federal agents are allowed to carry their weapons on Capitol
grounds. And the judge was like when in
performance of their duties and threw that away.
And then he made my crime a strict liability crime.
And he compared me to an individual with a hand grenade.
So he literally compared a terrorist with a hand grenade to
a federal agent carrying his firearm.
And I was, you know, so and I never went in the building.
I never heard anybody. He offered assistance to the
FBI. And this is just where this
narrative, it's so evil. There's no other word for it
other than it's evil. Like Jason R Higley, ADOJIG,
special agent, talked to the FBI SWAT team that day.
My buddy who's named after my kid, and he was like, did Mark?
Were you threatened by Mark's presence?
Did did Mark like, he's like, Nah, man, Mark's good to go.
He assisted us. People are yelling at us.
He offered assistance. We he, he, we have his personal
cell phone number. Mark's a great guy and he's
like, OK, like that doesn't fit my narrative.
Marks a domestic terrorist and white supremacist, even though
I'm Egyptian, Cuban and like I'm too confused to be a racist.
Like I'm like Egypt's in Africa. I'm Latino.
I don't, I don't even know what I look whitish, you know, like,
like, but but no, that was the thing.
White supremacist police white supremacist like tries to kill
Nancy Pelosi, blah blah is like is is absolute insanity.
And but everybody was convinced from the arresting agent to
Merrick Garland to the judges to everybody.
There was nobody who was like looking at this.
And it's like, why is the FBI doing no knock raids on
nonviolent misdemeanors? And Steve friend, like your
buddy who's he's like a hero of mine.
I mean, you're a personal hero of mine because that that's what
I'm saying. Like where are American heroes?
Like where was like the SEAL team six guys, the FBI agent,
like HRT, where were where were the CAD guys who were speaking
up against all the BS that happened while we were losing
our democracy? And like you're legitimately,
you're a hero mine, brother. Like I respect you a lot because
you, you, you didn't put pension over principle.
You spoke you're like this is wrong and America needs to know
about it and and God bless you for it man, and I know God
rewards those who diligent seek him diligently seek him and and
you're seeking truth and so honestly, man, I'm I'm I'm proud
to be here today. So.
We're happy to have you in. I'm, I'm kind of more concerned.
I've always been concerned about the part of your story where
people knew you in my old office, like people that we
probably know in common. I spent a lot of time with the
SWAT team working as a, as an adjunct medic.
So I jump in with their with their vehicle convoys and go do
serve, you know, search warrants and what not.
So people that we know in common knew that you weren't a problem
and and yet they were fine with it.
Let's how about let's get to the real heart of it, Your brother.
Yeah. Can we talk about what?
Like. Yeah.
So January 6th was kind of almost like a Civil War moment
in a lot of ways, that people divided, like households divided
over their interpretation of it in the same way that we look
back at 1861 and see, you know, Americans pick sides.
And I feel like that happened. You know, I, I keep saying this,
that the, the FBI agent is just filled with Nazis who are just
following orders. They're just guys just doing
their job, you know, and, and they try to shame us and say our
reputations were bad and this and that.
And it's like, it's just, it's just tragic that there weren't
more moral, brave federal agents who spoke up against the
injustices that were occurring under the Biden administration.
And my brother was a credentialed FBI
counterterrorism agent. And when the DOJ released all
these photos of me and photos of me and J6, they blacked out my
brother's face. And which meant to me either he
was working or something was going on that I wasn't
privileged to. And there's no other like I,
I've literally have watched hundreds of thousands of hours
of, of like of a lot of hours of, of J6 videos and pictures
and discovery. And I've never seen anyone's
face blacked out. And my brother's face was
blacked out. My brother wasn't offered a plea
deal. My brother wasn't offered a
cooperation deal. My brother wasn't reprimanded
for being there. And then he went on to go
investigate other J Sixers. And so it's like, and I'm not
hating on my brother. I just think it's just it's what
plagues the federal law enforcement agencies.
It's a pension over principle. I'm not losing my job over this.
And I'm just going to do what I'm told, even though I know
what I'm doing is wrong. I'm going to throw a flash bang
into a little girl's room who I know that the dad inside is a is
a patriot and it is is wanted on a non violent misdemeanor like
that. That's evil.
That is evil. These guys get to play dress up
and they get to put on their the cool guy gear and their Mitch
helmets and they get their you know, and and they they get to
call people out and they get all excited about their little
raids. But you were raiding American
patriot homes. You guys are cowards.
And like I have a friend who his daughter got a flash bang and it
like Derrick Kinison. Derrick Kinison.
This is this is the kind of BS that people don't know about
Derrick Kinison's want to. I met him through this.
Was on a group chat, never went into the building and only
offered medical aid to to. He offered medical aid to
everybody was hurting like from CS gas or whatever and it was he
offered it to police officers, he offered to civilians.
He was part of a group chat. I guess maybe an informant or an
agent or somebody was saying stupid things in a group chat.
He was like you probably shouldn't say these things and
left the group chat. He was convicted on conspiracy
to sedition and for destruction of evidence when he left the
group chat. And he was like sentenced to
like eight years in prison, which he served nine months in
one day. And of those nine months in one
day, he was moved around six times to different prisons.
And I mean, it was like, it's a shame that this is happening in
the United States of America. And there's very few agents who
actually spoke up against this. And it was it was evil and it
was a weaponization of our Department of Justice.
And which is supposed to be bipartisan and, and completely
subjective and, and it, it's just, it was just awful.
I mean, it, it's just a sad day in American history.
Like people don't really understand the evil that
occurred and, and how many constitutional rights and were
were taken that throughout the J6, you know, pandemic, if you
will, so. I want to, I want to step back a
little bit. I want you to think about your
time and training. I think about the people that
you dealt with in the military. I want you to think about the
people that you would respect, whether it be Washington Field,
SWAT, whether it be other agents you work with, the DA, you know,
DADEA, could we have predicted, do you think how many people,
what percentage of people would not take the difficult correct
path? I think it's the correct path.
So I'm going to call it that. And was there any indicators
that that would be the case? And if you had to guess before,
let's say 2020, how many people that were your colleagues would
do the right thing? And then what do you estimate
that percentage is looks like right now?
I'm just a complicated kind of look at this.
You know, there's a saying like Long live the Brotherhood, man.
And it's not it's not Long live the brotherhood, it's Long live
the brand. It's it's it people just care
about their little careers. And when people don't realize
that the things that we do in our career has immense effect on
other people. Like Jason R Higley interviewed
the FBI SWAT team like they were like, Mark is good to go.
He was offered us assistance that day.
We were not threatened by his presence.
And he's like, OK, like, that doesn't fit my narrative.
I need to fit my narrative. And so it's just, and, and it
happens Like I have a very good friend who, you know, was
serving on the SEAL teams and great guy and, and he was a
Trump appointee and got attacked because he was a Trump appointee
and, and they just came after him really hard.
This is nothing new. The weaponization of the DOJI
mean it's, it's a problem because it's based on stats and
it's based on career progression.
It's like, why is me throwing a person in jail for the rest of
his life going to bump me out? Like, why is that my motivation
to make like GS14, you know what I mean?
Like it, it, it's, it's, it's a broken system.
And it, it's not innocent until proven guilty.
It's like guilty and, and then until, until they, they crack,
until the system is designed to, to deplete you emotionally,
financially, you know, and, and they have unlimited resources.
They can take years to prosecute you.
I mean, look at Trump. Trump's a felon, right?
Like, let's just all take a step back for a second and realize
the president of the United States is a felon and.
And he's convicted of, what, 54 felonies or something like that?
Yeah, but that's how evil and corrupt.
And meanwhile, Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein were like doing
whatever, you know, Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, Kevin
Spacey and Chris Tucker all took a plane throughout Africa for
like a couple of weeks. Epstein was in, in the Clinton
was in the Clinton White House multiple times seen with
bringing in girls. But, you know, it's just, it's
just a sad state of affair. Yeah, it's a sad state of
affairs. But it's, I mean, and that's why
like, God willing, Trump can fix this Cash Patel can fix this.
I, I am hopeful for America. You know, patriots and
Republicans have saved the the Republic once before and we can
do it again. I mean, you think back to Valley
Forge and the Civil War and how close we were to losing our
nation. I think we were very close to
losing our nation. I mean, inches from Trump almost
being killed. And that's the other thing.
They tried to kill our president.
It's like we're reading a Tom Clancy novel.
I mean, and they were all been Black Rock videos, like and
commercials. It's like it's a weird little
world we live in. And unless there are more heroes
than cowards, we're going to stay here.
You know, unless there are more people who are based on morality
and principle versus their, their pension, we, unless
they're, these politicians aren't just like, you know,
people say politics is Hollywood for ugly people.
But like, unless these politicians are real, real
people who care about their constituents and just not for
show, we're, we're going to find ourselves in a, in a sticky
situation again. And, and God forbid that, but I
love America, I love the Constitution, I love my rights.
I'm allowed to have guns again, Praise God.
And, you know, and, and it's just, it's a sad, sad state of
affairs and I pray we never go back there.
Let's talk about the personal cost, if you don't mind 'cause
let's let's start with the suspensions and let's move
forward with some of the cost. Yeah, so, well, First off, I'm
ADEA agent. Was ADEA agent facing 16 years
in prison. The cartels run the prisons.
And me going to jail would have been a death sentence very
clearly. It would have been very bad,
let's just put it that way. And so there was that hanging
over my head. I had a newborn son during this
time and the fear of every time I picked up my son was like this
joyous, beautiful thing. But and I was being a father is
the greatest thing I've ever achieved.
And and AM and I'm thankful to God for my beautiful baby boy.
But it was also really depressing because like I may
not get to see him grow up and I may not get to see him become a
man. I may not be there for his first
steps. I may not, you know, be there
for his first words. Maybe another man is going to be
raising my son. And that was that was really
hard. Like it was it, that's the real
evil about this thing. Like they took something so pure
of being a father and it and it was tainted because of this.
And that's, that's just a mental and emotional and physical cost.
I, I've really, you know, I was in a really bad mental state and
Pastor Rob McCoy met me, saw the depression and hurt in my face,
in my eyes. And he, he said, you come work
for me and he just poured love and, and preach the gospel to me
and encourage me. And he kept saying, Mark, you
cross that river when we get there, you cross that river when
you get there. And he just kept me.
Put your hope in the Lord. Put your hope in the Lord.
God will deliver you. And he did, you know, at the at
the midnight hour, God, God did man.
But as far as that financially, I mean, my first attorney was, I
mean, I think All in all, between all my attorneys and all
my expenses and not being able to work, I personally have lost
around $300,000. And I'm not a rich person.
I mean, there, there are some donations that were made
graciously and they went to attorney fees.
But yeah, I mean, I I've lost around $300,000.
I still have a around a $50,000 bill with my attorney.
There are some very nice people in Idaho that donated like 7
grand to help me cover my attorney fees, which is very
gracious of them. But yeah, I still need to pay my
attorneys. I maxed out my credit cards just
trying to survive and, and be a provider for my, my family and
not being able to work. And so, but you know, I mean,
God has always provided for me. And this is the one thing I,
it's just not like a spiritual thing.
I I've, I've learned is faith. The opposite of faith is fear.
Fear is faith in Satan. Fear is faith in Satan's outcome
for your life. Fear makes you kill yourself.
Fear makes you have an abortion. Fear makes you want to kill,
steal, lie. Faith makes you operate in a way
that God's plan for your life. Faith makes you courageous.
Faith makes you trust. Faith makes you endure hardships
knowing that God will rectify the situation.
And so I would just encourage anybody listening, I would root
fear out of your life and realize the Bible says do not
fear 365 times. It is the most repeated
commandment in the Bible. It's not the greatest
commandment, but it's the most repeated commandment.
And I really didn't understand the dichotomy between faith and
fear. But fear is satanic worship.
Fear is living and the devil's reality for your life.
And faith will make you live in God's reality for your life.
So I would encourage you to always choose faith over fear
and to be brave and stay strong in God's Word that he says all
things work for those who love God and are called to his
purpose. And and like I had a good friend
at CIA, he, he told me who led the Israelites into the Red Sea.
And I said, I don't know man God, the pillar of cloud and
fire at night. I don't know what are you?
What are you getting at man? And he was like God led the
Israelites to the Red Sea where there is a genocidal army behind
them and a sea of abyss in front of them and no hopes of crossing
or fighting. And God delivered them in a way
that only he could do it. And it's so his glory be would
be shown and that that people would put their trust in him
always. And so I'm a big believer of
utter dependence on the Lord and, and always just trusting in
him and and God delivered me and saved me in more ways than one.
So, yeah, but I wouldn't have gotten here if it wasn't for the
love of Pastor Rob McCoy. I mean, he, you know, I was
charged with, you know, the greatest way to discredit
anybody is charge you with a false statement, right?
And that was the other thing. I couldn't lie about lying.
So I I couldn't take the plea deal.
That charge got dismissed. And which is crazy, like very
few J6 charges got dismissed. What did they say?
You said falsely. I said I never brandish my
weapon. That's why I said I never
brandished my weapon. They're like, here's a photo of
it concealed in your beltline with your badge.
And I go, OK, like brandishing to me is you pull your gun out
and you're like, this is brandishing, right?
My gun was never unholstered and it was inside the waistband was
my holster. And so they they said you.
And the other thing is in order to be charged with false
statement, it has to be material to the crime, right?
So if I'm investigating you and I and I say, are you gay?
And and he's like, Nope. And then I find whatever on your
phone. We all been through your phone,
Kyle. Interesting.
But no. But it's like, OK, you lied to
me about being gay. Well, it's not a crime to be gay
so that you that you can't be charged with making a false
statement. It is not a crime for me to have
my gun on me. It's not a crime for my gun to
be exposed, period. I just looked up brandish by the
way, just a quick dictionary check here Jaron present
participle is brandishing wave or flourish something,
especially a weapon as a threat or an anger or excitement?
Yeah. Showing your waistband is the
opposite of brandishing to everybody that knows what
brandishing is. Right.
And if you walk past the police officer and it with an inside
the waistband pistol that's considered concealed carry,
right? And so they, they.
And again, it's not even even if I said my gun was never showing,
OK, It's not illegal for my gun to be showing.
I'm a federal agent. We always take the stupid
pictures like, whoa, look at me with the drugs.
Look at me with this. Yeah.
Let me let me get even Dumber about that.
My first experience working with the Washington Field
surveillance team was a guy whose name will go unsaid, but
he knows who he is. I met him at the airport.
So we're now within the security cordon where nobody's allowed to
have a weapon except federal agents.
And I'd never met him before. And I knew that he was on my
team going to Alaska in June of 2018 because I saw his weapon
exposed because his shirt had come untucked and was sitting on
top of his gun. So his gun is sitting there and
he's in the airport lobby waiting to get on the plane,
like outside the gate. And I walked up and I said, hey,
buddy, you're out, your weapons exposed.
And he was like, he's like covered it up.
He was disgruntled about it. And then I found out later on,
he's just kind of a disgruntled guy sometimes.
That's just the nature of his of his, his personality.
But that wasn't brandishing. And it is a violation of FBI
policy to actually have your gun exposed in that circumstances.
But like, no one's going to do anything about it.
There's nothing to do. It's certainly not a crime.
It's just it's bad OPSEC to reveal that you're carrying a
weapon before you go on a plane. Because what it says is that's
the federal agent. And if I had a problem, that's
the guy I got to take out first. That's the only real issue and
danger there. Right.
So again, it's not illegal for my gun to be exposed.
We do raids where we open carry and holsters and tactical
holsters and ARS and all this stuff like we're allowed to have
our weapons concealed and exposed.
It is not a material crime. So it could never be charged
with. And then he even lied about it
and said I was in DC when I lied and it was a zoom call.
And so the judge was like, this is thank God, like the judge
like this is BS and dismissed it.
But but again, they, they started off with this guy false
statements and Pastor Rob didn't know anything about me, just
just all what the, the left had said.
I'm violent, I'm dangerous white supremacist and I, I lied to the
FBI about my role in January 6th.
That literally that's what all the articles are about me and,
and, and, and so, you know, and then Rob took a chance on me and
he said, I don't, I don't care about any of that.
I like, I love you as, as a, as a brother in Christ And he, he
encouraged me and I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for him.
So I mean there are a lot of patriots and a lot of good
people who who stood the ground. Pastor Rob McCoy, by the way,
was the mayor of Thousand Oaks, CA and the pastor of Godspeed
Calvary Chapel. And when Governor Newscom said,
he said that the churches were non essential, he resigned from
being the mayor, which is very prestigious role.
And he kept his church open and he faced being arrested, he
faced fines and fees. He faced forfeiture of the
church building. He stayed open, you know, and
that's why I'm. Was that the was that the case
that Jenna Ellis got involved in?
Does that sound right? I don't, I don't know.
I mean, I know that Pastor Rob was the first pastor to keep his
church open and many other patriot minded pastors followed
his suit. And you know, he saw my article
on on in my, my new story on Tucker Carlson.
And it's like, man, they got to this guy and you know, and that
that's the thing, like I said, that there was a federal agent
and federal informants in the crowd three years ago.
Now it's common knowledge. They still don't say how many
FBI agents were in the crowd, my brother being one of them and
the FBI SWAT team being one of them.
And that that's the other thing people just don't understand,
Like if the FBI SWAT team was mobilized and placed out the cap
side, the Capitol building, what was the Intel for them to do
that, right? Like you don't just mobilize a
SWAT team. It cost a lot of money to do
that. What was the intelligence behind
them going out there? What does the DEA have specific
programs called UC programs where you have to go get a
credential certificate, schooling and so on to become a
undercover? Or does everybody do that?
I think everybody does it. OK.
So DEA very different in that way than FBIA.
Lot of FBI agents are not undercovers, they're not
authorized to operate quote UN quote undercover.
But there's also no uniform, as you well know from your brother,
there's no uniform for an FBI agent, right?
So if your brother's out in the crowd, he's not AUC, he's not
operating undercover, He's just an FBI agent who's wearing his
clothes, which is what FBI agents do every.
Day and I I truthfully think that my brother just texted his
ASAC or a couple of he was texting other FBI agents in the
crowd and he was like hey I'm here and they were like yeah,
collect or look around and, and, and be safe or whatever and that
was their tasking. I guess I mean people don't
understand how federal law enforcement works right If you
text your ASAC hey I'm here I see this and they respond OK be
safe collect information like do your job whatever that's your
tasking now like that's you're assigned to that now or there's
no on or off duty with federal agents.
That's why we fly armed all the time, you know, and that's why
if a crime happens in front of us, we're expected to, to handle
it and operate, you know, in, in, in the function that we're
trained to. But yeah, I don't know.
It's, it's just. Yeah, I think it comes from that
fundamental lack of understanding.
It's the same understanding issues we've had with people in
the public who are trying to talk about how the FBI was
trying to serve a search warrant at Mar a Lago and they were
authorized deadly force to go kill.
It's like deadly force authorization happens the minute
you get your gun, forever until you lose the gun, and then you
get to have your own. Like I have a deadly force
policy. Like no one wrote it down and no
one made me remember it. But it's the same when I
operated under the constitutional abilities that I
have in the state law in Texas. I carry a weapon and I'm
authorized to use it when it's authorized, as long as I fulfill
a lawful defense, as long as I'm doing it in defense of my life
for others. So it's just these these these
lack of understandings end up creeping in and we get the wrong
voices out talking about it. Want to move to the right voice
version of it, though? Let's talk about did you always
have this trust, this faith? Because I feel like I've talked
to you over the last, what, maybe two years?
Does that sound right? And in the last two years, highs
and lows, would that be fair? Yeah, some understatement.
Yeah, some. Some like.
Feeling like it's going to work out and some probably some
abysmal moments like I'm going to go to prison and I'm going to
die there and, and, and I heard some conversations like that.
Did you and you know talk about the faith aspect and whether
that was something you knew before January 6th of 2021?
Well, I'll talk about like just the.
Highs and lows real quick. I, there were times where I was
like, surely they can't throw me in jail.
Like surely somebody's going to see, like they're going to talk
to the FBI, the SWAT team. Surely they're going to talk to
my brother. Surely they're going to see my
criminal record, which is nothing.
Surely they're going to see my service history.
Surely someone's going to not throw me in jail.
And and then it went to like clearly seeing how Jason R
Higley, the DOJIG and and special agent, I use that term
sparingly, would just ignore all the good things that I've done,
ignore my history, ignore my time finding ISIS terrorist
inside the United States, ignore the conversations and assistance
I offered the WFO SWAT team that day just to fulfill this
narrative. And then I was like, well,
surely the judge is going to see through this bullshit.
And then the judge compared me to a guy a strict liability
crime and compared me to a dude carrying a hand grenade.
And it's like, I think what happened was as they were.
Like, look, we've looked into all that and stopped calling us
Shirley. Is that possible?
Yeah. It it's exactly it's it's hard.
It's. Hard to see that my faith in the
government. Like seriously declined.
And then it it opened my eyes because I was a true believer.
I was like, I want to be a federal law enforcement.
Like these guys are my heroes. I love like you see the movies
and you're like, I want to be a special agent one day.
Not realizing that these these people are like just evil
bureaucrats that are just trying to get convictions.
Now, granted, there are some good things like stopping child
pornography and stopping sex trafficking, like, but the
majority of agents are just being thrown into these
political arenas. And.
And you see it with Trump. Like who are the agents that
investigated Trump? I know them, yeah.
I mean, you know, I know them. Yeah.
I mean it's. They're not bad people, by the
way. They're really not.
They're they're Nazis doing their job.
And, and I would say they are bad people because you cannot
say I'm just following orders while I'm bringing Jews to to to
their deaths. And you're like, I'm still a
good person. I have a moral distance because
I'm just following orders. I was told to do this.
Well, flush that logic out because you just.
Jumped into something that was the argument during COVID that I
I made obviously about something very different.
I didn't necessarily see the same thing for January 6th, but
I'm very open to to hearing your line of thinking on that.
On what COVID? Or no, you called them Nazis.
Right out right out the gate. So let's look, man, we're.
All men, OK? We're all men.
We all are here put on this earth, regardless of a badge or
a gun or authority, like we all have a moral obligation to our
fellow man and we are Americans. And like you tell me like that's
why Steve friend is one of my heroes.
It's like, yeah, you're you're a cool guy, FBI SWAT team dude.
And it's like this guy has a non violent misdemeanor.
Let's throw some flash bangs into his kids room and it's like
hell yeah. And just boom and and then like,
let's kick in his door and scare his children half to death.
And and then and it's like he was like, I can't all he says,
like, I can't do this anymore, Like this is evil.
This is wrong. We all have it before we have an
obligation to God and to our fellow man before we have an
obligation to the FBI or whatever.
And if if you know in the military, if you're given an
unlawful order, you don't have to obey it, right.
Did you get any training on that at the?
ATF I'm sorry I did. DEA sorry, I'm I'm blank.
What do you what do you mean like following?
Unlawful orders, yeah. Did you get unlawful?
Order training No. I don't think that I ever did.
Either I'm just trying to reflect back on it.
I know I did in the military for sure.
That's. Standard and you get the.
Same thing when you go through SEAR training.
You know what is and what is not allowed and like what is and
what isn't crossing the line. They teach you how to discredit
things if you have no other choice.
So there may be some things that you have to do in order to stay
alive and maintain life, which is what they call it.
I got a little coin on the back of the wall over here that's got
that on there. You have to maintain life, but
it's your duty to discredit the action if the action is not
something that you would otherwise be lawfully able to
do. But I don't remember that when I
was at the the FBI, and I'm not sure that any federal law
enforcement is teaching lawful. Orders, you're told to follow
orders and you know, and it's, it's quite tragic that you know,
and this is the sad part to me. Is there, I mean, how many FBI
whistleblowers are there? How many federal agents spoke up
against this past Department of Injustice?
It's I've been told. It's in the in the dozens, but I
only know like 5. Yeah.
That's about it. OK, how many?
I know about a half dozen. How many federal agents are?
There between the ATF, D, all of DoD, EA, FBI, Border Patrol, I
would say there's a round of what, 100,000 federal agents
between all the agencies. I don't think it's that high.
I think the FBI. Has the biggest bite of it and
it's 14,000 and then I think behind that what is DEA got 3000
right. But if you consider ATF.
And and it's a couple 1000 here and there.
It's it's. Probably like in the 30s, maybe
the 40s. It's a lot of people.
I mean CBP. Anyways, it's a lot OK CBP kind
of different. Animal.
They're they're different. We went through Fletzi.
Right. OK.
How many? I would say the number of people
who went through Fletzi is probably 50 to a 100,000 people
and five people that I know of stood up and spoke up against
the injustices, right? My buddy Rob Green calls it.
Calls it institution over constitution Is the default
correct? We saw the same thing in DoD.
We saw a lot of commanders that knew what was right, felt it
deeply in their hearts that are good people, or at least had
previously been good people. I had this moment.
I think it was, I think it was Stuart Rose that brought this to
my attention. He said the question that he
asked people is does the moment make the man or does the moment
reveal the man? So I'll share.
I'll ask you, does the moment make or reveal the man?
I think moment reveals a man. I think absolutely.
I mean, you are who you are and when you get put in a tough
situation, it's going to bring out the worst or best qualities
of who you are. And I, I was just very thankful
that I had a bunch of patriots and, and God fearing men rally
behind me. I, I actually remember there's a
guy named Tony. He owns Basilico's Pasta Vino in
Orange County and he refused to shut down his restaurant 'cause
it was made in memory of his mother.
So when they tried like California Governor Newscom
tried to shut him down while keeping all his pastry shops
open, He's like, no, like F you like, this is my mother.
Now, Tony and I may or may not have been on opposite sides of
the law at some points. And but Tony's a a real American
patriot who loves this country and refused to shut down his
Italian restaurant in his mother's memory.
And I remember coming in there after my I offered was offered
my plea deal and my attorney at the time said you should take
it. And I was like, I was just so.
Desperate, I wanted this to be done.
I'm in debt. I'm like $150,000 in debt.
It just, it just started and I, I was just so.
And he goes, Mark, I can't tell you what to do and I can't judge
you if you take a plea deal, but F them, F them stand your
ground. You know you're in the truth.
You know you're in the right. Like die in the truth instead of
living in, you know, it's just being on your knees in a lie.
And, and and that's that he gave me really encouragement at a
time when I didn't know where to go.
And and Rob McCoy said, Mark, you can't lie about lying.
You need to be firm in your truth.
Fight this to the end. And so I was thankful that I had
sound counsel. And now I'm not a convicted
felon. I'm I'm not anything.
I was just dismissed. But you Google me and you see
all the left articles about me. And you know they.
Just made-up a bunch of crazy stuff and so but.
I'm very thankful that. A bunch of patriots rallied
behind me and encouraged me to fight the good fight and to
stand for truth. And I would rather would have
died in the truth than lived in a lie.
And that's the other thing that people don't understand.
A truth isn't afraid of the lie, but a lie is afraid of the
truth. And you don't have to defend the
truth. You just have to let it out and
it'll defend itself like a lion. And so it's like everybody knows
the vaccine was a sham and it was dangerous and it was killing
people and it was an experimental drug, you know, and
I literally was because I, I was where I was in the DEA when they
were telling us to get vaccinated and everything.
And I was literally thinking about it and I was like, OK, it
doesn't stop me from getting COVID.
It doesn't stop me from giving COVID.
You're not going to tell me what's in it.
And I can't sue you if it hurts me.
And oh, by the way, if I don't get it, you're going to fire me.
Oh, and by the way. And now we're going to make
moral judgements on you, right? You are a human.
POS if you don't get vaccinated because you you know and did you
have the same instinct that. I do, which is that when you
want me to do something that badly, like I instinctively just
don't want to do it like I just do.
Honestly, my heart just first. Went to my mom, right?
I was like, my mom is like a diabetic elderly woman who who,
you know, survived 9/11 and served this country and, and
survived communism. I was like, I was like, look, if
it will stop me from giving COVID to my mother, even if it
has a negative side effect on me, I'll take that sacrifice.
Like I will take that hit as long as it stops me from giving
COVID to my mother. And then I was like, doesn't
stop it from spreading, stopping the spread.
So I was like, then what's the point?
There is no logical point to getting vaccinated if it doesn't
stop the spread. It doesn't stop you from getting
it, doesn't stop you from giving it.
Even if it's like okay like you'll still get Kovid, you'll
still be messed up from Covad, but it'll stop me from giving it
to my mother in a heartbeat. I get 5 vaccines, I don't care
as long as it makes my mother safer.
But it doesn't so what's the point?
It seemed like the worst cell. Job that I've ever seen.
And then he had weirdos like Bill de Blasio out there who was
like eating French fries. He's like, you mean I get these
delicious French fries? Krispy Kreme doughnuts?
And you're going like what? On the what in the hell?
What kind of like single order level thinking people were being
marketed to? Yeah, people aren't.
Talking about the the miscarriage rates like up 3000%.
I know family members who've had multiple miscarriages too are
are suffering because they were vaccinated.
Yeah. And they and it's proven that
they've died of fetal myocarditis.
Yeah. And I can't.
I can't. Draw the Direct Line because I
don't have the data and and it's not my business to.
I just see the anecdotal evidence, which is that some
people really suffered and there should be some more questions
than what we got. And historically people used to
pull this kind of stuff anyway. I feel like the the only, I
think Americans are stubborn in the way that all of us are.
I think you're probably stubborn.
I'm probably stubborn the same way.
And the thought is, is like, if God gives you one challenge,
maybe that's not enough. Have you had a lot of challenges
come your way? I, I feel like I had a lot of
challenges come my way. And I feel like it was, it
wasn't like we just put you into a decision to whether or not
you're going to play this hand. It was like, are you going to be
at the table? And are you willing to bet your
life? And a couple of people stood up
and went all in. Well, honestly man, when I was
rolling. Around in Iraq and rounds were
impacting close by me and I'm not war stories and this and
that. I I didn't walk around fearful
of losing my life. I was like, I just got to do my
job. I was too busy to be afraid,
kind of. I mean, obviously I was like
scared shitless, but like, I was like, I, I'm too busy to to be
afraid. I got to do my job and God will
handle the rest. And I was like, I just have to
do my job. And then, but when you're
fighting the cartels and ISIS and criminals, it's a different
story when it's Mark Ibrahim versus United States government.
And it was like, Oh my God, like, like, and then I realized
that like I just had to be strong, like just put on the
same mental mind frame of, of being in Iraq.
It's like the cards fall where they fall.
And, and like, like God is in control and I trust him and what
happens happens and that's it. But I'm not going to like, I'm
not going to go quietly into the night.
I'm not going to plea. I'm not going to just bend over
and take it. I was like, if you're going to
rape me, I'm at least going to be screaming about it, you know
what I mean? And, and thank God, like I
overcame, you know, there's very few success stories.
There's a lot of people that are still felons out there and that
their lives are are ruined. The reputations are ruined and
they're just patriots that never went in a building, never hurt
anybody. They just were caught in the
crosshairs of a corrupt DOJ. And I mean, I, I think Trump
really needs to set something up that he can I help identify
these people and part of them pardon them and help like right
some wrongs of a history of, of corruption of the FBI and, and
federal law enforcement. Do you think that you could?
Have seen this without being shown it so aggressively.
No, no. I mean.
No, I mean it's. It's.
Because and it's always in your. Training.
It's always in your, the doctrine.
It's always in. Like you.
You are the good guys, they're the bad guys.
F them like they're the bad guys.
They wouldn't be in your report if they weren't bad.
They wouldn't be, you know, there wouldn't be a three O 2 on
them if if they weren't horrible human beings like you know, and
so it's just AI mean. Even when I had drug cases, I
would do background checks, obviously, and I really would
go, I'd only go after the people with the drug cases that had
like some child trafficking charge or kidnapping charge or
child pornography charge, because that's, that's honestly
that's near and dear to my heart that I, I think like America
really needs to track down like crack down on.
We're the largest consumers of child porn, which is sad.
And you know, if you have child porn on your phone and you can
go to jail for 10 years, but you can go down to Mexico and have
sex with a child for $10 Scott free.
And it's just, it's evil and we need to stop that.
So that like, that was my litmus test, Like, you know, and there
were some drug cases that I felt bad about prosecuting because I
knew the guy was like mentally impaired and he was just being
taken advantage of by the cartel.
He had AUS citizenship. They're just, yeah, you're a
child like mind like just go drive these drugs across the
border. And it was really hard, hard for
me to, to really prosecute the those, those cases.
But again, I was a probationary agent and I was told to do it.
So I, I did what I was told, right.
But there there is no distinction of justice.
Like justice has nothing to do with the Department of Justice.
It's about stats, it's about promotions.
It's about the political narrative at the time.
And it's about it. It's just about moving ahead.
And you know the I have a good friend, Jimmy Capra, who's like
the deputy director or deputy of operations for the DEA now 33
years of government services, DEA agent and he lives in Texas.
Good dude. And he was telling me he was
like, the day I retired, I was just trying to like, send an
e-mail to help follow up on something I was working on.
And I got told not to call back. And I was like, when you're
done, you're done. And that's what these agents
don't really understand. It's like 30, three years of FBI
service and putting ruining innocent lives and blah, blah.
And it's like, OK, that's great. And then what?
You have to live with yourself. My buddy Phil talks.
About this pretty extensively, he said.
What people don't realize and, and I was in a unique position
to see this because of the, the team that I worked on, the
surveillance team, they had a lot of agents that would retire
off the team. It was their last couple years
in and then they would go and then they would go off and, you
know, play golf or become background investigators, Bix,
whatever they're called. And so I got to watch people
leave the carousel and what people?
Think is that. I am so integral to the mission
of this organization that they will never replace me.
And what I watched is nobody even noticed that you got off
the carousel when you left. Nobody gave a shit that you were
gone. And they never have, not in the
history of the organization, because the institution carries
on and you're just on it for the ride.
And when you're not on it for the ride, somebody else is in
your spot and they think that you're completely replaceable
because you are. And if you understand that it
changes the game, it should change the game for loyalty.
But those people never actually see the loyalty change until
after they leave. And we get 5050.
Then some people still really need the organization to be
something because it helps them in their their next life.
And some people look back and go I am absolutely ashamed.
I've had FBI agents come up to me since January 6th, have come
up to me since the COVID mandates, have come up to me
since what happened to me in the guys, and have told me they have
moved from the place they retired to.
They have moved into a new neighborhood and they did not
tell their neighbors what it was they did before they retired.
They make up a lie so they don't have to explain how they worked
for the FBI, specifically the FBI, not federal law enforcement
in general. That organization.
That's wild. Yeah.
I mean it's. You're, you're a cog in a wheel.
The machine will continue on without you, but God forbid you
speak up because the machine is doing something illegal or
immoral. And now you'll find yourself in
the trajectory of this, this war machine.
And it's just, it's sad, man. And there's, I mean I, my buddy.
Phil. He was, he was, he was telling
me that the Bureau of Prisons is like is like a human trafficking
organization where these these privatized prisons are, they're
cycling these people through and these people are just making
money on their feet on on, on housing them and feeding them.
And I think I really hope Trump just de privatizes all prisons,
makes it a government, government run prison.
So no one's benefiting by the imprisonment of of people.
So that's another topic for another day.
But I just, it's just a sad, the system is extremely broken.
And I pray that Trump and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi and are able
to fix it. I want you to think about
something. I had a another FBI
whistleblower on a guy who had a very different situation than
mine but also stood up, said constitution is important.
Some things that I've seen are wrong and his name is Zach
Shuffstall. Shuffstall and Zach said the one
thing he remembers is that whenever anybody got sideways
with their organization, didn't matter if it was DEA, it doesn't
matter if it was ATF, doesn't matter if it's, you know, FBI,
Bureau, prisons, whatever you got sideways with the
organization, you were accused of something.
The default was you probably deserved it.
You probably did something to earn it.
And we all think the same way. You hear some guy who's going to
get court martialed, You're like, yeah, that guy probably
did some dirtbag stuff. Like we just assume the default
when you are an institutional believer, when you actually work
for it because you got to believe what you do every day.
Yeah, you would default. To the.
Institution is probably right and that guy probably had it
come in and then you get into a situation like you're in like.
Double like I was a criminal from the DEA on the then all the
guys that we'd hit houses together and do raids and have
barbecues and and live life because you spend countless
hours together, man. And yeah, I was a criminal.
But then also from a nation, all the J Sixers were pariahs, you
know, all the J Sixers. The entire nation was convinced
that J Sixers were domestic terrorists be thrown in Gitmo.
And this is the first insurrection of many
insurrections. And these people are a threat to
our democracy and they're evil. And the CIA started this main
core thing and they started, you know, Deloitte got a government
contract to for millions and millions of dollars to monitor
and to organize the largest investigation in the history of
America. And it was a farce.
I mean, you have the videos of Capitol Police guys opening the
doors. You have the statements where
Nancy Pelosi refused the National Guard, like now the the
whistleblower, whatever they're saying.
There are 26 informants in that crowd.
And I think that number is way higher.
And I know of of multiple other FBI agents that were there.
So it's like they still haven't come out with any FBI agents
that were in the crowd. And so it's it's a worthwhile
point and I made. It I made it right when I saw
the Inspector General report that what they said was that
there were no UCS, right? And that's a.
That's a brand, right? There's a difference between a
an informant and a source of information.
And they classify these little, little nomenclatures for their
bureaucracy. But the reality of it, they were
badge credentialed like armed federal agents in that crowd and
whether to the the extent that they were ensuing violence or or
instigating violence or whatever, like that's, that's
the real tragedy that. It's just a big psyop.
I mean, my guess is a lot of them were not involved in
anything violent. I bet a lot of more like what
your brother was, they were there doing the same thing that
you guys were, which was that you were supporting the fact
that you have a right to speak. I want to talk about this for a
second. So they said that.
What kind of message is Trump sending by pardoning people who
had assault on a police officer? OK, I was there all day and
night and I did not see anybody assault a police officer,
period. Had I seen it, I would have
arrested them violently. Okay.
And and then I have a friend, Luke Coffey, who is getting his
ass beat by batons and reaches up to grab a baton to protect
his his brain as he's being pummeled to death.
And he got charged with assault on a assault on a police officer
with a violent deadly weapon. And it's instinctual to protect
your head. He didn't RIP the baton out of
out of the police officer's hand.
He didn't reuse it on the police officer.
He just grabbed it. And he's trying to stop him from
getting beat up. And but normally there's a
checks and balances. Normally there is like some boss
at the whatever agency you're at are going to call bullshit on
it. Then the grand jury might call
Bolshana and then the judge and then the appellate court
somebody eventually there's like this checks and balances of
checks and balances system to just.
But everybody was convinced that J Sixers were domestic
terrorists and white supremacists, apparently.
And white supremacists and right.
And so Trump did the absolute right thing by pardoning.
I mean, were there some bad actors there that were probably
informants or working for the FBI?
Sure. Do those people deserve to go to
prison? Absolutely.
But when you weaponize ADOJ like that, Trump did the absolute
right thing by blanket pardoning everybody.
I didn't know I was going to. I didn't know no one knew he was
going to do a blanket pardon. Well, at least I didn't.
And so I was struggling to try to get my name to him.
And Trump actually has an ISIS coin of mine.
And you know, I just, I was struggling to get my name to him
desperately so I, I could see my, my son grow up, right?
I'm, I'm not trying to get rich. I'm not trying to get famous.
I just want to see my beautiful baby boy grow up.
I don't want to spend the next 16 years of my life fighting
criminals or, or cartel members for, to survive.
And so when Trump pardoned everybody and in the White
House, it came out the, you know, the, the paper came out
from the White House. I was reading it in my kitchen
with some good friends and my mom and I, it was just like a
sigh of relief, man. It was just a beautiful,
beautiful thing. Trump, it was just a document
Trump signed. But I, I really hope that he
knows the amount of lives that he saved and, and that he signed
by and the families he reunited and, and the families that he
saved from being destroyed by signing that document.
So God bless you, President Trump, and thank you for for our
pardon. What about those?
That that only got. Commuted that spent some time in
prison. Honestly man, if Trump.
Commuted their sins. He probably had good reason to
do it man. So this is this is something
that I, I. Generally kind of default to the
same kind of thought historically.
And I'm, and I'm coming around on this too.
I watched. Are you familiar with the story
of Joe Biggs? No.
I talked to Joe Biggs for about two hours.
He was one of the Proud Boys that got convicted and they were
convicted of seditious conspiracy against the United
States. No violence conspiracy.
Which is the easiest thing to. Prove conspiracy is always easy,
yeah? And what the and the evidence
that that was primarily used the the evidence that was shown was
not a standard that said beyond a reasonable doubt that you must
be able to prove it so that no reasonable person would think
otherwise what they said. And this is part of the, the,
the documentation from the trial is that a fist bump allowed a
telepathic connection between the two guys who were doing the
fist bump, that they were now going to engage in an
insurrection, that they were now going to engage in the sedition,
they're going to take over the country.
And they did. So by basically he, he told me
his story and he's like, I walked in with two hot Italian
girls. And then I walked back out a few
minutes later. And then, and then, you know,
the cop was standing there. And then I went back in again
and I said, can I use the bathroom?
And I use the bathroom. And they showed me where it was
and that was enough to send him to jail for 18 years.
Well dude, conspiracy is the. Easiest thing to prove if if I
tell you, hey dude, I'm going to go rob a bank and you give words
of affirmation like it's like my love language.
You go, you go good luck. Like you say good luck.
You are. They can get that you conspired
to rob a bank too. It's, it's a, it's an evil
little bureaucratic nomenclature that they used to, to arrest
people. I mean, who would have thought
leaving a group chat, which is your constitutional right
because you don't like what somebody's saying on it is
destruction of evidence. I mean, conspiracy to sedition.
But again, when everybody's convinced that you are a
terrorist and deserve to be in Gitmo, there is no system of
checks and balances. You have less rights than
terrorists in Gitmo. I mean, there, there are people
fighting for the rights of terrorists that are in Gitmo.
Well, here's here's my problem with what I just shared.
With you, because the story of those guys, Stuart Rhodes is
among them as well. You don't have to like him as a
person. You don't have to like what he
has to say. You don't have to agree with any
of his perspectives. You don't get a chance to say
whether or not he served the United States because he did.
And it's the same story for Joe. Joe retired.
So you look at those guys, they retired from military service.
They honorably separated from military service.
They had VA benefits. Joe had two Purple Hearts and
they negated it. And so I found out after the
fact and I found out while talking to him, they pulled his
VA benefits. So the man got out of prison.
He had a a retirement from the military.
He had VA benefits from the military.
He hadn't slept in three weeks. When he got out of prison, he
went over there and said, hey, can I get some medication or can
I talk to a psychiatrist, psychologist who can diagnose
what's going on? I haven't slept in three weeks.
Obviously the anxiety of leaving prison was probably pretty high
and going cold Turkey right out back out into the world.
Usually they do a halfway house. And so part of the empathy that
I'm kind of growing on is it's like, imagine one of your
brothers who who went through something in the military,
Purple Heart, blown up record, documented injuries, etcetera.
And then and they pull the the benefits.
They act like the thing that happened beforehand, which had
nothing to do with one day for maybe 30 minutes of time on the
ground negates the entirety of their life before for decades.
That to me is it's unconscionable for this country
to have done and and they did it without even thinking about it.
Ashley Babbitt was stripped of all.
Military honors, right? There's a guy, Jeremy Brown, who
is, I know Jeremy Brown story, 20 year SF veteran who was
pardoned fully. But when they were doing a raid
related to J6, they found like some inert hand grenades in his
house or something like that. And and now he's charged with
having a hand grenade and he's still in prison.
I mean, I wish Trump would really set up like a, a hotline
or, or like somebody to kind of could just write a bunch of
injustices that have been done previously.
And I mean, I do have a suit against the deal, which I, I
don't have it actively, but my, there's a malicious prosecution
suit. That was another motion that I
filed stating that my brother was there.
He's a credentialed agent. He had his badge and gun on him.
He was on Capitol grounds just like me.
We did not trespass. We didn't violate anything.
We were together and my brother didn't get a plea deal.
My brother didn't get reprimanded.
He's just OK. And what happened to him?
What? What was the?
Story he He's still an agent to this day.
He's moving back to DC like with nothing.
He's assigned to the Washington field office or he's.
I don't know. He's moving back to DC.
Man, I, I have no idea. He's he's got a supervisory role
now. So it's like, how much?
How much has he? Spoken to you in the last, let's
say 2 years. I I'd stop talking to him, man.
Because, you know, I, I asked him, I was like, Mike, there
were some motions where I was like, I wasn't the only federal
agent there. I, I just, I put motions to this
judge with Marina Medvin, my, my really great smart attorney,
basically stating that I wasn't the only federal agent there and
had had his badge and gun and my brother was there and he was
texting other agents and there were people in the crowd.
And my brother was like, you got yourself in the list.
You got to get yourself out of this.
And I was like, OK, man, sure. So I hadn't talked to my brother
for three years. And but again, that's your
typical FBI type guy. Is he malicious?
No. Did he turn me in?
Was he trying to get me arrested?
I don't think so. But it's just like you're not
messing up my FBI career, which is my identity and my
livelihood. And it's like you are my blood
brother, but you you handle yourself and so it's fine.
I mean, it is what it is. And you know, it's a very
freeing thing to rid your life of people who are not your true
friends, like to clean your House of people who are just
there that are users or people are there that are just there.
I mean, through this, I, I lost like my blood brother, I guess,
you know, I don't, I don't really, I'm, I'm indifferent to
him. Like God tells me to forgive.
So I forgive him. I have no hatred towards him,
but I really don't care how he lives his life or whatever.
But I've, I've gained real brothers, brothers in Christ,
brothers in arms, patriots. I, I've you like, I mean, I've
met so many cool people through this situation.
Chuck Liddell, dude, I'll tell you a story about Chuck Liddell.
Tell me I met Chuck Cadell at church.
Right. And he's going through a
divorce. And so I take my number down,
man. And I was like, I don't have my
cell phone on me. I'm not a fanboy, whatever.
He's like, he took my number down.
He was texting me. We became really good friends.
And at the last America fest in Phoenix, because again, this is
before I was pardoned, I didn't know that Trump was going to do
a blanket pardon. I thought I had to get my name
to Trump to get on a pardon list.
So I called Chuck and I'm like, Chuck, I need you to come help
me. Like, listen, I'm not about
using people or clout or any of this.
But when it comes to watching my son grow up and him being raised
by another man while I'm in prison fighting for my life,
I'll call in all the favors. I there's no, there's no pride
here. I will be whatever I need to do
to see my son grow up. That's the big game.
So I called. Chuck and I was like, Hey.
Dude, can you come to America Fest and can you just try to
help network for me to get my name to Trump some way, somehow?
And he's like, Mark, I got my kids that weekend and I was
like, Chuck, this means a lot to me.
I was like, don't say anymore. I'm there.
So Chuck flew to Phoenix from California and he set up a
meeting with Ted Cruz and a bunch of other people like he
was trying to, he was hustling for me.
And that's why I love he made my problem, his problem.
Chuck knows my, my son. And, and Chuck knew that I, he
wanted my son to have a father. So he, he joined in, even though
he's a celebrity and a millionaire and a great, great
guy and he risked his, his fame, his fortune, his reputation just
to, to help a lowly person like that.
Like Chuck should run for office, man, really, he really
should. Like that's what we need from
our politicians. I, I'm not going to put any
names out there because I don't want to sew any division, but
there are some very conservative outspoken people, but
politicians about J6 that I personally met and they would
not give me the time of day or look in my direction.
And I was pleading with them. I was like, I was a federal
agent. I did nothing wrong that day.
I offered assistance. I have a son.
I don't want to go to jail. Is there anything else you could
do for me, please? They wouldn't even look at me.
There's just kept walking and, and I would just, you know, it's
fine. Like, I mean, I, I, I don't want
to so division and I don't want to call anybody out.
I didn't really gain anything by that.
But I mean, it's, it's the real brothers like Chuck Liddell and
you and New York Mike, who's got a podcast called rolling with
Mike. He's like 83 year old air combat
controller from Vietnam. I got, we met him, I met him at
a cigar lounge. I was just like smoking and
drinking and all depressed and everything.
He's like, what's going on man? And I told him my story.
He's like, that's bullshit because you know, and he's like,
I'm going to help you. And I was like, all right.
And he owned the largest Harley-Davidson dealership in
America. He owned like 3 Harley-Davidson
dealerships in San Diego. He's just a, an American hero,
patriot, great guy. He, he got me to election night.
He got me tickets to election night and then we went to
America Fest together and he was actually in my mother's kitchen
When I found out I was unpardoned.
He came with me to inauguration. This dude's 83.
And we'd be partying with Chuck Liddell till 3:00 in the
morning, doing shots of tequila and he'd be with us hanging out.
And I was like, dude, these are my brothers now, man.
These are the, the American patriots who came by my side and
loved me through this, encouraged me, told me to stop
whining, you know, So I'm just, I'm thankful because there are a
lot of dudes that didn't have that.
And there's a random note of encouragement.
Like when I came back from Iraq, I was like depressed and
whatever. And I was like, do I miss war?
What's going on? Like I, I don't understand why
I'm not feeling so hot right now.
And I, it wasn't, I missed war. It was the camaraderie and the
fellowship and the brotherhood that like, when you woke up, you
had a guy there. When you're taking a crap, you
had a guy there and you eat and you had a guy there.
You get in a firefight, you had a guy there and then you come
back home and it's just you and a bottle of Jack Daniels.
And it's like, you know, And so I would encourage that military
veterans, just anybody who's who's hurting, like get a good
fire team, get a brotherhood around you.
Like there is a brotherhood. It is real.
It may not be the Seals or Special Operations or the FBI or
Fleoa or whatever. I reached out to Fleoa and
they're like, don't ever call me again, Click.
I was like, I need help. I'm a member.
Like not today you are Click and I would just encourage you to
get a get a tight group of guys that you have genuine concern
for each other and and get your fire team because they'll get
you through dark times, man. Like that's just another some
wisdom that I learned through this dark, dark times.
Yeah, my buddy. My buddy Peter Johnson, who I
had on the program the other day, he says he calls it a mag.
He says the mutual assistance group, it's the group of people
that are mutually aligned. They don't agree with everything
you need. They don't say everything that
you say. They don't hold all the same
thoughts. They don't finish your sentences
when you're done, but when the chips are down, their skill set
augments whatever difficulties are in your life.
So, you know, maybe he said his, his advice was go find a welder.
If you don't know how to Weld, find a friend who's a welder.
Like fill in your gaps of weakness with someone who does
mine. Mine is, interestingly enough,
like my wife. I, I'm a communicator,
obviously, but not full of empathy.
In fact, the one thing that my dad used to tell me when I was
growing up, he's like, you need to, you need to learn empathy.
And I was like why I? Don't really care you.
Make a great FBI agent. Well, it turns out you can be.
You can be. Stone faced and not care.
And it's, you know, almost sociopathic to be able to turn
that thing off. And so the woman I ended up
marrying is incredibly empathic to the point where it's
dangerous for her sometimes. So the two of us have this, this
thing I, I help her kind of harden her shell up and she
helps soften mine up. And these are important things.
You can't find people that help you be better people than you
got to cast him out. But if you do, you got to gather
those people to you and they'll and they'll only the ones that
will be there when things go wrong.
How many, how many of the guys you worked with in the DEA
called you up? Dude?
0 actually. One one guy is in the Hawaii
office. Really good dude.
I had a bar restaurant in DC that was shut down because of
Kovid, but I had it while I was an agent.
And so I bring all the agents out of my my class there and we
drink and have a good time. We spent New Year's there.
And one guy, his name's Gabe, I'm not gonna give his last
name, but Gabe is the only he goes Mark, this is just a job,
dude. He understands like this is just
a job, like you are a friend and I know your character, I know
who you are. But I would say even if you need
a welder, don't find a welder. I just find someone who has
genuine concern for you, man. It's the same idea.
It just turns out you'll find somebody.
Who, who, if you, you're going to need a welder and you're
going to find someone who's a welder, but you're not going to
choose them because they're a welder.
You're going to choose them because they're a person that
that vibe with you and God's going to put them in your, your
path. You're going to end up having
someone that can solve your problems.
And I think we, we all kind of see that, but only when you
really give up. I mean, I think that's the other
big thing. I've been talking to Steve
friend about this a lot. And it's hard because if you're
an aggressive alpha type male, if you're, if you're used to
driving and solving and accomplishing and then the only
answer is to surrender completely, which is the example
that Christ puts out in the world.
This is the this is the, the revolutionary nature of Jesus
time on earth. He flipped the paradigm, he out
Alfred everybody by giving up, but not giving up.
Like in a way that was losing. He lost and won knowing what the
outcomes going to be. That's such a hard thing for men
to grasp. It's why I think it's such a
challenge. You have to go and say the
ultimate victory is surrender. And there's a reason why we have
all these kind of things in parable form, right?
We have we've got Obi Wan Kenobi getting struck down, becoming
more powerful than you can imagine.
Like there's a lot of examples of people who have sacrificed
themselves to be able to win. And it looks like losing to the
world. And for me anyway, that it's one
of the hardest challenges is try to ingest that well, you know,
there's, there's a. Story of like Shadrach, Meshach
and Abednego and they were like he said, our God can save us
from the fire, but even if he doesn't, we're not going to bend
the Navy or idle. That's right.
And there is like it's a dichotomy of strength, trust,
faith, surrender. You know, God doesn't equip, he
doesn't call the equipped, He equips the called and in the
Bible is filled with people who weren't.
Fit or able to like. David and Goliath or the story
of Judith or like people who weren't able to do these things,
like Moses had a stutter, you know, and it was a shepherd and
he. So there's this.
But when you when you believe in God and you believe in his
ultimate power and his goodness and his ability to deliver,
that's when we become truthfully strong.
That's when surrendering to him. You know, I'll bend my knee to
him and no one else. I was, you know, it's crazy,
dude. I've got stories for days about
the FBI man I was dating this chick named Becca.
She was on the FBI dive team and she was part of the FBI agents
that were forced to take a kneel outside the archives and they
were throwing bottles at her and threatening her and her group
leader or ASAP. I don't even know what you guys
call them, but her boss took a knee 1st.
And then everyone's screaming, take a knee, take a knee.
And she called me later that day.
I was like, did you take a knee? And she was like, yeah, Mark,
you, you weren't there. You don't understand.
They were threatening us of violence.
I was like, so you're kitted out and there's like a photo of it
out there. Like she's out there with.
Yeah. Like, you're in body armor,
you're armed. You're this like, if you want to
take a knee for solidarity, for whatever you feel like taking a
knee is for your black brothers and sisters, that's fine.
But if you're going to take a knee under the threat of
violence, it's a different story, OK, If you want to take a
knee to make a political statement and show your
solidarity with black people, that's up to you.
That's, that's your choice. It's, I mean, you know, it's
probably a #violation, but. You put a gun to my.
Head or you start throwing yeah well by the way the the agents
association gave all of them $100.00 gift card I know and
then they're like oh we can't really do this can you give them
back to us it's like these are the untold stories of the FBI
and they don't understand how jacked up the FBI was do you
want to hear something really crazy because.
I found this out just now before you got here.
You know the. Really heavyset.
Lady, Her name is Sarah Linden. In that picture, she's the only
one that looks like she ate another FBI agent.
She's big. She's like.
The face of Neil. Team 6, right?
She's a very big gal. She got promoted from SSA to
ASAC and. She's apparently as.
Of right now, the assistant director of counterintelligence
for the Bureau. Oh, there you go.
There you have. It but hey, compliance.
Pays in the federal government, and there's no greater example
than someone who is. Let's call us.
She's 60. Percent.
She's 60% heavier than she should.
Be I wouldn't put her past her to.
Open a case on us for this conversation.
I hope she does. No, I I mean really.
Like we were, we are. I was outside the DC Gulag after
on, on. Come at me.
Hold on. Let me just say, come at me.
You chunky, chunky monkey. I fear not.
I fear not fat FBI agents at this point, not in my life.
But I honestly do. I'll tell you.
I'll tell you a quick story. I was outside the DC Gulag on
inauguration day and I saw the the MPD officers start cordoning
cordoning off the area. And we saw a bunch of people
with cameras and agent looking dudes in their cars.
And I was like, honestly, I was scared, but I was like, a new
day has dawned, like the FBI lost its teeth.
And but, and even then, it wasn't that the FBI lost its
teeth. Just as there was a a shift in.
Me, I didn't really speak up. I know FBI agents, names that
were in the crowd. I know the informants, Jason R
Higley. Like I I thought that if I if I
just didn't speak up too much, they'd let me off the light
beating. Surely they don't think I'm a
domestic terrorist, right? And then when they came after me
with everything that I had and the reason why I couldn't even
talk was because there was a gag order on my discovery.
And and they, they tried to arrest me after I made a Tucker
Carlson patriot purge. I was shooting in the video and
it was filmed pre indictment. And then they, the marshals came
after me for a post indictment. They're like, you broke bail.
You, you possessed a weapon. And luckily the F the Fox News
producer picked up his phone and sent a letter to my attorney.
My attorney sent it to the prosecutors.
They were hungry after me, man. And thank God they all got
fired. You know what I mean?
They were evil. They were in the wrong.
Listen, if I went in the building or if I hurt somebody,
I would say fry me. I, I messed up.
I wasn't thinking straight. I, I, please fry me.
I have a, a, a lifelong history of doing what's right and
serving my nation. I messed up.
I, I would admit that I messed up.
Take my licks like a man and be like whatever comes, comes.
I messed up. I didn't never stepped foot in
that building, never hurt anybody, never unholstered my
pistol, never did anything. And offered assistance to the
FBIA good guy, you know, and they, they came after me.
So it, it, it's silence, You know, compliance doesn't mean
the I never thought I would be a political prisoner in my own
country ever. Ever.
Yeah, nobody can fathom it. Right.
Especially. Having served my nation, I
haven't carried a gun for the majority of my adult and that's
what it comes down to for. Most of the folks that are
there, it's been such a one hundred 180° reversal on their
their belief in the institutions that the default position is the
USA is the good guy. And here's the crazy thing.
How many people are cheering for doge?
How many people are just thrilled?
They're like got this ugly animal that has been coming
after people. It has abused its authorities,
it's abused its its its position in the world and all of like, we
just don't buy your bullshit anymore.
We just don't like as a default now we assume you're the bad guy
until proven otherwise, which by the way, a lot of us who are
kind of in the libertarian Ben, like I'm, I'm Christian, more
importantly than libertarian. So I don't think libertarianism
is a complete philosophy. But politically I'm kind of a
live and let live guy. You know, I'm not, I stay out of
the way and I never trusted government.
I didn't trust government when I worked there.
The funniest joke was people would would ask, I have actually
a buddy who's still working for the Bureau.
We were talking the other night and I said, if our Quantico
class got together and signed in, look at the two of us and
they were like, is it going to be Serafin or C?
Who's going to be the first one that's going to get kicked out
of the Bureau? 100 out of 100 of them would
have chosen CA hundred of them, no doubt.
We were both cracking up about it.
And I go, what are the odds? And he was like, it was just the
right amount of circumstances. They pushed your nozzle.
I said the funniest thing is if they had asked the two of us, we
would have agreed it was you, but I would have been right
after you because what, they didn't realize that I've always
been like this and I never thought the government was the
right answer. So I maybe was less jaded than
some folks who really did believe it all the way.
I just know I was a true believer.
Man, I know it. Absolutely.
A true believer. Yeah, it is a huge betrayal.
I was risking my life in Iraq and Kurdistan, Syria.
I was blown up being shot at and like giving information to the
legal attache and Erbil and and and I get debriefed by FBICT
agents out here in Manassas, VA. Just think about how many bunch
of stuff, man. But like, I was a true believer
that our government would never lie to us.
Yeah, our government would. Never harm.
Us, they had our best interest. And then then here I am in the
DC gulag facing 16 years and a judge is comparing me to a
psychopath with a hand grenade, Right?
Which is how you get guys like. Like Robert O'Neill or, or take
your pick of like fill, fill in the blank.
How about Mike Glover? Like dudes who are studs who
went out and did the mission. And not everybody loves
everybody in the teams and, and, and the different ODA's.
That's not always the case. Everybody's got a reputation.
But people who did the mission, who went out there in good faith
and prosecuted it and did it the hard way, right.
And then they come back here and now they're all going like, man,
was I just killing people for politicians and for somebody's
stock prices to go up at Raytheon or or Boeing or General
Electric. I just put a tweet out and it
was about, you know, isn't it disgusting to see Pete Hegseth
out there P teen with the troops in Germany?
Like God forbid we are like, how is he going to be able to help
the Raytheon boardrooms make more money if he's out there
just trying to show some, you know, he's a civilian for God's
sake. You know it's God bless Pete
Hexeth. Yeah.
Do you need any help at the Pentagon?
Call me Dog. We're we're seeing a reversal.
Though of people who are now like, you know, it's almost like
a teenage punk rock moment I grew up in, like the people who
are, who are against the authority, like they were the,
you know, damn the man save the empire, right?
We wanted small, small government.
We wanted small companies to thrive.
We wanted the big stuff. And then you get a little older
and you're like, no, no, no, there's a position for the
government. The government's got to keep the
peace. That's got to do those things.
And then you get a little bit older and you're like, Nah,
they've abused that authority. Like screw them.
Like, I want to see it all bleed.
I want to see doge come in with a 19 year old kid named Harry
Balls cutting, cutting the nuts off all of these bloated federal
bureaucracies. And so the energy has changed in
this country. And Donald Trump's pardon of J
Sixers was a piece of it. And honestly, it's the I mean, I
think I think it's the eye of the hurricane, interestingly
enough. And after that, pardon and
conservatives, we. Forget way too quickly.
They tried to kill Trump twice in July of last.
Year. It hasn't even been a year they
indicted him. They told him to sit down while
they went through Melania's underwear drawer.
They raided his house. They made anything and
everything. The most scrutinized man in the
history of America. Then they couldn't find anything
on him. They had to go back for
something and pass the statue of limitations.
That's right. And I love Trump because he
never gave up. Like God bless you, brother,
like you never gave up. You never gave up the fight.
And and because of it, you, you never giving up and saying F
this, I'm done with this. You saved the you saved the
Republic. And and I would have called that
hyperbole. Previously, but I don't anymore.
And, and it's, it's an interesting moment.
I'm glad you never gave in. I'm glad for all the people that
never took a plea, that were ready to go to face trial,
knowing it was unjust. I, I told people I think my
first podcast with Dan Bongino, I, I said my proudest, one of my
proudest moments in my life. You know, I'm proud of being a
dad. I'm proud of being married.
I like those things, but like one of the proudest moments,
certainly in my professional life was that the FBI found that
I was unworthy of their organization before they went
and raided Mar A Lago. I really am grateful that they
threw me out before that the the.
Logistical night, tactical nightmare of doing the handoff
between Secret Service and the FBI and that's why they brought
in HRT and they. Said you're a they brought in.
HRT I didn't know that and they authorized deadly force.
I'm surprised one of the corrupt agents didn't kill Trump while
they were searching Mar a Lago. He wasn't there.
That was the whole thing. So this.
Is some of this stuff got blown out of proportion and it's been
problematic. And again, this is for people
who don't understand they specifically coordinated with
Secret Service. You can read the op order and
you probably haven't. It's more of an obsession of
mine because it's, you know, my old agency, but they looked up,
they found out when he was traveling.
They had a liaison contact. They had an ability to to de
conflict with Secret Service. They sent people in the deadly
force policy has to be on every single op order.
Do you know that it cannot not be on there?
Do you know why? Because.
If they kill somebody, they go to jail.
Because of Ruby Ridge. It's been on.
There since Ruby. Ridge, which by the way, people
reached out to me and told me about Ruby Ridge and I have more
empathy for the FBI sniper that took the shot.
Not that he missed. That's not good, obviously, But
the shot probably was justified based under the rules of
engagement they were operating under, which is why it's now on
every single FD 888. The operations order tells you
what has to happen. But the reason that they
supposedly shot at, at Randy Weaver, it is a good shoot if
you are already there. And I don't think they should
have been there in the 1st place because I don't agree with the
warrant. And the same problem with like
Donald Trump's people, you know, they went to the, they went to
go search Mar a Lago. I don't think they should have
ever been there. I think that was a travesty.
I think we could probably agree on that.
It's absurd, but once they're there, they're going to do
search warrants stuff, they are going to search drawers, they
are going to go through stuff. So the minute you already agree
to that, you drop that quarter and they're going to take the
ride. The reason they shot at Randy
Weaver, supposedly it, it looked like he was raising his weapon
towards a, towards a helicopter, their aerial platform that was
above, which would in fact be a deadly force engagement.
Problem is, is that, you know, there was a miss and it killed a
child and and his wife. So all of that is terrific.
I mean terrifically bad. It's like the most horrific
moment you could have is that you're not only are you like
you're authorized, but you missed and you killed
bystanders. So all of that is and it's
praised as like a. They award their their their
failures. It's praised as like a great
operation in the FBI. I guarantee you there's Yeah, I
mean, I. Guarantee you people were like
proud of the of the fact that they finished and that they
were. There was no bloodshed and they
did a great job of the tactical clear of Mon a Lago because
there's no other way to do it. It's like, how else do you go
and tell your friends like I did this thing unless you say I did
it really well. I did my job really well, but
your job was unethical and there wasn't a single agent.
That spoke up as a part of that. We we don't know that yet.
And that's. What I think that's what's going
to be interesting about Patel getting in, 'cause I have.
Such a hard time believe in. That no, I think it would have
made news it. Would have made national news
no, no, they wouldn't speak out publicly I.
Want to know if anybody objected in the team room that said, I'm
not going to go. I'm sitting this one out, boss.
How many people did that 'cause there's a possibility that
happened. And if they did, I hope that
person is is raised up what we learned from the Holocaust.
You brought up Nazis earlier. So let's just kind of dig into
it just briefly before we kind of shut this thing down.
But during the Holocaust, they had the there.
There's a whole book, it's called Ordinary men.
It's about men following orders. They were reserved police
battalion one O 1. And so Gerardo Boyle and I talk
about this all the time. They were given orders that were
illegal, immoral, unethical things that should not have been
followed. And everybody did.
There's a few people that are objected to it.
They said, look, I can't do that, not in good conscience.
I can't go out there and round up the Jews.
I can't go out there and take these children.
I can't go out there and put them on a box car.
I can't execute old people because they're slow.
You know what happened to those guys?
Nothing. Nothing happened when they spoke
up and said I'm not going to participate.
So the historical experiment has already been done that when
people objected to orders that were unlawful or immoral,
unconstitutional, you know, maybe, maybe you lose your job.
Yeah. But but you're destroying.
Otherwise, they came after. Me, they didn't go.
After Steve friend for objecting to using the SWAT team and I
find that interesting because in the order of things they were
more upset about me exposing things than they were about a
guy who said look, I'm sitting this one out.
That's not right. And so I respect the hell of the
fact that he did that, no question.
But it's. Also useful to know that there.
Was no subpoena for his records over that so again and again
history rewards us with this like knowledge that you can
object to something that's wrong and generally speaking nothing
happens to you and how does know how do more people not do it you
know I would encourage. Americans and I, I got a video
for you that I want you to play at the end of this, if that's
cool. I would encourage Americans to
not just quietly object. I would encourage Americans that
if you see something wrong that you would take a stand against
it. And it doesn't matter if you're
an FBI agent, DEA agent, if you a pastor, or if you or have a
Italian restaurant in the memory of your mother.
When they come for your rights and your freedoms, they can
never be taken. They can only be surrendered,
right? That's something Americans
really need to understand. You are citizens of the greatest
country that ever existed and that you have God-given,
constitutionally protected rights.
And you need to stand firm in those rights and stand firm in
your God and stand firm in who you are.
And if you don't believe in God, stand firm in that you're, you
know, you're not going to let yourself be abused.
We needed more people to speak up.
And until we have more heroes than cowards in this nation, we
are quickly going to find ourselves back there.
I mean, I keep saying this, we're in a high speed wobble
right now. Like what happens if Governor
Newscom gets elected in four years?
What is he going to weaponize the DOJ?
Like, what's that going to look like?
You probably be arrested. You're going to have HRT kicking
in your door. And they probably won't won't
they'll be like, they probably won't care to, to put handcuffs
on you, right? So that's, that's what I'm
saying. I need Americans and patriots
need to stand up. Christians need to stand up and
we need to stand in truth and for constitutional rights and
for what our country was founded upon.
So we never go back to where we were because right now we're
winning and doge and Elon Musk and everything's really great.
And I'm, I'm excited about all of it.
But what happens four years from now?
No, it's got to be, it's got to be locked.
In And you're right. And so if Trump goes?
Full bore for four years and then JD Vance for 8:00 or
another something. I'm praying that like 12 years
of just bringing America back to its patriotic constitutional
roots, we may swing back left, but never back to where we were,
you know, and yeah, or, or else what was?
Any of this about? Yeah, the greatest.
Experiment in in democracy and and self government and then
vote away all of your. Own civil liberties, which is
what we keep saying. It's the strangest thing in the
world to watch people who claim to be quote UN quote liberals.
I would call them leftist, but to see people who claim to be
one thing vote away liberty. It's not like, oh, I don't want
to exercise that liberty. They're like, you shouldn't have
that liberty either. Are you familiar with Yuri?
Besmanov Yeah, just go watch Yuri Besmanov's interview on
YouTube. It's totally it's totally self.
Demoralized. It's, you know, it's active
measures. We've had my ideological
subversion. And, and it's just, it's, it's,
it's been working until till recently, thanks to the, the
hard efforts of Charlie Kirk and his grassroots program and, and
podcasters like you and Bryce Eddie, a lot of people were not
afraid to speak up for the truth.
Pastor Rob McCoy, I mean, Pastor Rob, he, he says I have the
ability of preaching a church down to a manageable size.
And then when he stood firm in the truth, his church exploded.
Is also is the only church that was open.
But, you know, I mean, people like that.
And then when they were going to arrest churchgoers at Pastor
Rob's church, there's another church, Tim Phillips Church in
Riverside or Temecula somewhere that and his churchgoers, his
parishioners were going to Pastor Rob's church to get
arrested because it would be an honor to be arrested for, you
know, be like believing, which is also your, you know,
congregating to worship, which is also your constitutional
right. There's so many untold stories
of this attack on our civil liberties, on our rights or
constitutional rights, or. And it happened everywhere.
It wasn't just. Like a California thing.
I mean, it happened in Idaho. There I met some guys from
Moscow, ID who had the same thing happened and that you'd
think that Idaho would be like the cutting edge of of don't
tread on me and get off my lawn, but that that was not the case.
They were cops out there saying if you're not properly distance,
if you seen hymns outdoors in a flippant parking lot, we're
going to take your freedom. And so, yeah, we did see that we
do have a buy. We got a little bit of a of a
brief reprieve in this firefight for, for whatever it is we're
fighting for. And I think we get another
little shot at that. And I hope we don't miss.
You know, I really don't because I don't want to see you go to
prison. I don't want to see me go to
prison. I don't want my kids growing up
without a dad. But I think they all kind of
realized some people understand the stakes now, you know, I'm
not afraid anymore. I used to be so afraid of going
to prison really. And I realized like I, I'm not
letting fear dictate my life anymore, especially these fear
of these cowardice, you know, chunky monkeys sit behind their
desk and barely, you know, they have to carry their pistol
outside the waistband. Like, you know, I, I'm not
afraid anymore, man. I, I don't care.
Come after me. Truthfully, come after me like I
know God and the truth are on my side and come what, what,
whatever happens, happens, you know, and it's, I don't mean
that as a threat. Whatever way the left is going
to twist this story or whatever. I just, I refuse to live in fear
anymore. That's it.
Because their playbook and their hand has been exposed and they
overplayed their hand and America has rejected them.
I mean, Trump got the majority vote.
Trump, a convicted felon, won the majority vote after they
tried to kill him twice. Like we must never forget this,
right? And so they're like, oh, doge
and he's cutting USAID and blah, blah, blah.
And he's a he's a bigot. It's like you guys tried to kill
him twice, right? Like he's a convicted felon.
You raided his home like and he still won as my buddy George
Hill. Likes to say payback is a
medevac and. That's what's going on right now
in this country. Hopefully it continues.
Anyhow, let's let's keep it up. Where?
What's our people? Can they follow you on social
media now? Like your life is weird?
I have no social. Media I I I just I don't I don't
want any of of this cloud. I mean, I have a give send go to
cover my attorney fees. So and I just want to cover my
attorney fees. Anything above my attorney fees
that's raised, I'm going to give to the families of of destitute
J Sixers of they they locked up the sole provider for their
family, sole protector and provider for their family for
months. So I'm going to try to to bless
those families if I raise anything above my attorney fees
and you can hold me accountable for that.
So yeah, I have a give send go called Marks Liberty fund.
I got the platform from GoFundMe.
Surprising, but yeah, I mean, I I'm just you know, I'm living a
quiet life trying to raise my kid and be able to provide for
my family looking for work. I really hope that the, the,
the, the, the DEA administrator reinstates me obviously for this
injustice and I can continue serving my nation.
You know, I would love to go to work for cash or go to work for
the current, you know, the administrator or just, I don't
know, but we'll see what happens.
I mean, God does some interesting things.
With the men who are willing. Yeah.
All right.
Put that hat back on. Let people see it real quick.
We'll shut this thing down here. There it is.
There you go, buddy. Mark, thanks for joining me.
Today there. Now see, you should have been
doing that. You look way more mysterious
right now. Fantastic.
Thanks for thanks for stopping in.
We don't do a lot of in the person things, but you were in
the neighborhood so I'm glad you stopped in and it's good to be
able to do it in the same room. Thank you for having me and God
bless you and your. Family, brother, keep up the
fight. Will do, buddy.
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