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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower and 

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American Patriot prepare to 
embrace the uncomfortable truth 

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because this program has no time
for comforting lies. 

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Here is civil liberties, 
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Defender and recovering FBI 
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Kyle syrup. 
Hello, my friends. 

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Welcome to the Kyle. 
Serif and show its Monday. 

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May the 22nd we did our 
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So we wanted to give you just a 
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audio podcast, I have Steve 
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A fellow suspended oil, fresh 
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Steve, thanks for joining me, 
buddy. 

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Thank you very much. 
Good to be here. 

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So, Steve ran the board for our 
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background and we'll catch you 
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We are live on location right 
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In Houston, Texas. 
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producing and running the board.
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accountable because he's new to 
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And my guest today is Ryan 
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He and I met at am fast which 
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Phoenix. 
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project Veritas whistleblowers. 
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We kind of exchange information 
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spend any time talking actually.
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wife and she was like, he's got 
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very interesting to you. 
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about it and I deliberately told
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Don't tell me the things. 
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actually want to know what they 
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with you all. 
So Ryan, thanks for joining me, 

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thanks for being on the show. 
Yeah, let's let's start very, 

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very simply first of all. 
Where did you grow up? 

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Where are you from? 
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how in the world did you end up 
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to blow the whistle? 
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So, thanks for having me on Kyle
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So, I grew up in Mesa Arizona. 
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And I grew up there. 
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And I The high school graduate 
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becoming a pharmacist. 
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You're going to be a pharmacist.
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speaking with Farms you got 
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Yeah. 
Now here I'm exposing another 

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probably one of the worst other 
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So then I kind of saw like you 
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couple years, I spent some time 
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nonprofit and in Mexico, City 
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religion and Jesus and so I did 
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back took forever to finish. 
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This happens Majors a couple 
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degree in Spanish. 
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So that's kind of where, you 
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in like acting. 
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in activism like pro-life groups
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interested in politics. 
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kind of weird. 
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from college after like 10 years
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Which was still kind of a shock 
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I was like, what am I doing 
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Like, why am I still here? 
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Yeah, no it's like pushing 
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It's always nice out. 
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to do than go to class or do any
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You could always be doing 
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Yeah, College. 
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Because you debatable whether 
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worth your time and effort to 
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So I was like, Super. 
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Yes, I graduate calls. 
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Okay, I pick you. 
I've got some jobs like 

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low-hanging fruit. 
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Vanguard group actually 
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And that's in the news now that 
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Vanguard evil I'm like, okay 
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could put your money and get a 
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have to worry about it. 
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Vanguard accounts. 
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they were there. 
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established but I knew people 
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You just kind of tossed your 
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Yeah, and it's sucking is so 
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I mean, as far as Investments 
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I worked there for nine months, 
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contractor. 
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So, I would see these accounts 
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that kept their money in after 
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like they came back for them. 
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yes, we're good there first. 
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call centers a little bit. 
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getting the job working for 
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security. 
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furniture store. 
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and I'm like, hey, what do you 
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Like, oh, we can't tell you who 
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I'm like, okay, what do you do? 
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stuff online for big social 
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Where's that is 30? 
It's across the street. 

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I'm like, okay, I'll apply. 
So, I applied and I got this job

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as a, bilingual social media 
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So one of the things that I 
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because you kind of seem like a 
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maybe it's just the glasses, 
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visual of it. 
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curiosity was always, you know? 
What was your specific 

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background? 
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the story is. 
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write read, write speak yet and 
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Spanish-speaking wife. 
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detailed about that will keep 
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thanks. 
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the door in and in a lot of 
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hired in the government to. 
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but there's a lot of government 
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the qualification. 
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qualification The sun, right? 
Steve, you could be a if you if 

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you speak Spanish you could be 
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a language track. 
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You have to pass a series of 
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prove your competency and the 
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Spanish, that makes sense. 
But anyway, so that makes a lot 

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of sense. 
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that was one of the 
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on. 
So you go in, what was the 

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application looking like? 
What were they? 

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Why were they so secretive? 
Do you know? 

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Yes. 
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when I applied initially, they 
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What company was, but they say, 
It's a big social media website 

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company. 
So I wear prepare for the 

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interview I actually looked up. 
It's funny. 

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I looked up. 
I think I think the FBI has a 

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list of like internet, acronyms.
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simple one of course, but 
there's like some really weird 

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acronyms so like I've studied 
for the interview and they 

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actually did a cognitive test 
where they had you took take an 

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exam like a mini sat okay kind 
of and then they had, then they 

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did a joint interview where they
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reviewing graphic content. 
I think you some samples of what

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you would see, like, You know, 
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just like, yeah, gross stuff. 
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you okay with that? 
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to avoid seeing that stuff is 
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You have to. 
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process and it was we were he 
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So Congress is was the third 
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company that had this contract 
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kind of the onboarding process 
but it was all, it was funny 

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because it's all young people. 
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like, see, I was in my late 20s,
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Yeah. 
Late 20s. 

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And I was like the oldest person
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Is know what feels like? 
Yeah, I did that in basic 

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training, so I guess that's kind
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business model. 
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censorship is not done directly 
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It was actually done by this 
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A lot of the intelligence 
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their dirty work, which is not 
necessarily dirty, it just turns

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out to be dirty. 
It doesn't have to be dirty, 

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right? 
Like that getting rid of hen 

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tape hunt. 
I porn getting Of child 

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pornography images, getting rid 
of explicit content that are not

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appropriate for the type of 
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That's kind of why they have the
ability to do that. 

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They can, if they want to keep 
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can get rid of some of this 
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Obviously, it didn't stay that 
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Yeah. 
But that was the original pitch 

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that it was like, look, you're 
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the garbage so that other people
don't see it in their feed if 

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they have a mom's group or 
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Yeah, it makes sense is like, 
you know, no one wants to be on 

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online or on Facebook, you know,
and see the Out of nowhere. 

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Just another scroll for drug, 
worker, something and then they 

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get some horrible, like cartoon 
porn, right? 

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So I have seen some of that pop 
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bizarre. 
I don't know why people get into

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that, but to each their own, 
it's yeah, there. 

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And I learned too much. 
I wait, I learned way too much 

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more about that stuff than I 
wanted to know about, like 

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furries and and then correct 
doesn't called crushing, which 

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is horrible shooting. 
Crushing is yeah. 

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Heavy heavy people getting on 
top of others that were 

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crushing. 
Well, I think the 11 snare, Like

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basically, torturing animals. 
So, women wearing high heels, 

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killing animals. 
Basically God. 

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Yes, I do women. 
Woods like stomp on guys. 

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I know some guys are into that 
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I have a weird experience with 
that, my partner, my roommate, 

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when I was in college, I'm not a
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Academy actually used to do 
child pornography what they call

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the innocent image project. 
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at an analyst at did all that 
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mellow. 
He's a really really nice guy. 

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looking for anything like that. 
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being and then that was his gig 
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imagine the FBI goes looking for
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good firm. 
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can handle this sort of thing. 
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because, you know, your imbued 
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regular people's feet because 
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stuff. 
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And I on in, I dealt with that 
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So CEI is child expletive 
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So I want to now I'm seeing this
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Boston Marathon bombing or maybe
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might delete. 
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through to hit delete and then 
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Boom. 
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on your screen so like I don't 
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Yeah, there's no prep for it's 
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counselors on site that's 
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my, my book behind the mask of 
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counselors I'll In credit where 
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I really can't see any time 
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something. 
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why a lot of cops that start 
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to war. 
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know, the evil of war, the evil 
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normal. 
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normal. 
I'm sure, that's probably pretty

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crushing. 
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college or six years next year 
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I feel like there is a plan for 
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don't understand it. 
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interestingly enough you your 
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I'd be very interested and they 
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book, obviously, about how it 
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day-to-day basis. 
Yes, they can find out about 

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what your what the censorship 
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mechanically, right? 
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mechanisms of you. 
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you know, you three people like 
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internet clean which earlier, 
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So, as a brand, yeah, Facebook's
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image, but they've gone so far 
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hilarious because you know what,
you right after I started 

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working like the month after I 
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Zuckerberg testified in 
Congress. 

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So he's essentially my boss. 
I mean and he he he testified 

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and I'll just read my notes Here
by on. 

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He said this is Larry, 
especially what we do with what 

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we know now about. 
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So it's a the time frame again 
this is this is April of 2018 

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okay? 
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As far as look at this is you 
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Trump's term. 
Yeah, this is in the All of the 

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Russia Russia. 
Russia hoax everyone's freaking 

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out. 
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We've got we now have a lot more
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ginned up which many of us knew 
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it, but it's now now. 
Now MSNBC has to actually 

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acknowledge it kind of thing. 
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And he's testifying in front of 
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You know, what's committee? 
He was in front of, because I 

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know you brought. 
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So, I'm folks, he's gonna be 
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is a technically accurate kind 
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He's not a fly by the seat of 
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The way that I am. 
Many of you will see that I just

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Winged It. 
It, in fact take an interesting 

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aside since Steve sitting here, 
before we started taping, this 

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is Steve and I were talking 
about half the time we get these

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interview questions and somebody
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here's this thing. 
What do you think? 

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And while they're asking the 
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I have no idea what I'm going to
say with no idea, but the visual

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that I have in my brain, you 
know, when Magneto, this is the,

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the villain from the, from the 
X-Men movies, he's walking into 

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like a dark room or an abyss or 
this big open space and as he 

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walks down, Got like metal. 
That's like assembling a bridge 

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in front of him in real time. 
That's how my words come 

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together. 
I have no idea where this bridge

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is gonna go. 
Who's, there's no way to guess 

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what its gonna do, speaking of 
notes in preparation. 

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So you were just on the team 
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show in October of 2020 and it's
funny because I, I studied like 

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all down the plane ride over 
there, my notes. 

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And I showed up in this at his 
studio and I plopped in my notes

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on the desk in front of me and 
he's like oh you don't need this

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and I'm like okay so my so I put
it away and I had I studied 

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enough to do well and and 
mention everything but some 

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people have that more of like 
audio memory. 

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I more of like the visual. 
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Britain. 
Okay so we're going to we're 

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going to Bali. 
Sorry. 

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That was a my bike at chasing 
brain squirrel. 

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We're exactly correct. 
So we've got Zuckerberg 2018. 

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April of 2018 sitting in front 
of Congress. 

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Yeah. 
All right, then you're going to 

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refer some notes about? 
Yeah, April 2018. 

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So he testified, he said, one of
my greatest regrets and running 

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the company is that we were slow
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Operations in 2016. 
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election, right? 
And that's something that is. 

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My co-workers told me is like, 
like one of them went to the 

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headquarters Ireland. 
The like, oh yeah, you know, the

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reason why they're bringing all 
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After tinsel, we started in 
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Our company get a contract in 
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one of the reasons I brought all
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Content. 
Moderation, because overseas is 

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because of the Russian influence
in the 2016 election. 

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Got it, which we No was not 
nearly what they said. 

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Were you following the Twitter 
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When they were being released? 
I was following a lot of them. 

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A lot of them is yeah. 
And I haven't so obviously 

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Twitter different company and 
and different mechanism, but 

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similar culture, I think in a 
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culture is, you know, whether 
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Google or Facebook, that sort 
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Yeah, they, we've got to assume 
that they were all doing some 

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sort of version of what they 
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that Taibbi and shellenberger 
and you know, the rest of them 

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exposed I don't believe 
anybody's name out Lee Fang and 

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Who else was there? 
Barry Weiss? 

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Am I missing anybody? 
Steve's Steve's, think, if we 

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think of them won't will 
mention, we want to give credit,

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where it's due. 
Taibbi, shellenberger said, 

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yeah? 
Okay, in any case. 

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So these journalists were 
exposing it and obviously we 

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hadn't seen the Facebook, PPC 
ad. 

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So in light of that this is 
somewhat comical. 

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Yeah. 
That they were basically 

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bringing all the and it had to 
be more expensive to, to bring 

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them to the US. 
So yeah, it's very expensive and

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I mean the contract that 
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a three-year Million dollar 
contract. 

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Okay. 
And so, and we had about at our 

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site in Phoenix, we had about, 
I'd say, upwards of, we rapidly 

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hire people, but be about 1,500 
people, okay? 

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And then, you know, Congress 
Zuckerberg is mentioned. 

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He's the spend about 10 billion 
dollars a year on content 

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moderation. 
So that, yeah, that's a lot of 

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money and a lot of money. 
Yeah. 

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And and there's no I guess the 
marketability is that you keep 

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your product from being 
degraded, but it's not like that

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something that you would need 
and you can Monetize. 

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In fact, it's your throttling, 
something that might be 

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monetized in some ways. 
Right? 

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Right wild. 
Okay. 

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So he was concerned about that. 
What were the guidelines that 

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you were getting? 
Did they, you know? 

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Obviously they must have changed
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We went from, you're looking for
hentai porn and crushing animals

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to death, which sounds horrific 
by the way. 

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Yeah, but it obviously she 
started. 

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There's Mission creep like so 
many other places where people 

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start going like well if we're 
dealing with this somehow you 

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end up with memes that are you 
know that are going to To be 

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favorable to Donald Trump or I 
can just imagine you go. 

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You know how weird it must have 
been my brother sent me this me 

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one time. 
It's the Twin Towers. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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And this is when there's the the
smoke coming out of the the 

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building. 
So one of them you know it's the

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first Tower that's hit there's 
smoke coming out of it and 

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someone has done like a tint to 
the smoke and it's pink. 

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Okay. 
And the caption was these gender

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reveal parties are really 
getting out of hand. 

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So that, which would ya know, be
seen as this meeting with you in

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a second. 
But yeah. 

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So that's the mean, right? 
So, two towers, pink smoke. 

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Yep. 
This gentle. 

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Sure. 
That's, that's actually it's 

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funny, but it's dark and I and 
then it's he sent it to me, and 

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it was, it was 20 year. 
It was in 2021, probably. 

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Yeah. 
So it's 20 years post 9/11, 

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which some people never got over
9/11 and some people forgot 

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about it immediately. 
And there are people that are, 

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you know, earning a living right
now that that might be watching 

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our show, and, and they weren't 
even born when Happen or they 

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certainly don't remember it 
cognitively, but he sent it to 

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me. 
And then he wrote to me 

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afterwards too. 
Soon, question mark, which every

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level of that is dark and 
screwed up this house. 

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That's not the kind of family 
members. 

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I have Smart weird. 
Quirky kind of dialed in yeah, 

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too soon. 
So okay, so you will analyze a 

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meanwhile, is immune to that 
pops up. 

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That was their job. 
So imagine imagine your job is 

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your lucky. 
I felt like I was a paralegal. 

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Imagine you like, you're an 
attorney and they already wrote 

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this their policy, they are, 
they different policy. 

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Manuel's, like, throw over 
30,000 words. 

453
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:57,600
We're okay. 
I look at the moment I think, 

454
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,600
okay, this because in the fall 
under maybe a couple of 

455
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,600
policies. 
So the main policy would be 

456
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,200
cruel and insensitive, okay? 
And insensitive, so under that 

457
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,500
policy, there's different 
numbers. 

458
00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:10,500
So I have to justify my decision
on each meme that I delete, 

459
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,800
okay, and you're going to rank 
this on a scale? 

460
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,700
Essentially, I'm going to either
decide to. 

461
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:19,600
So with this one, there's I can 
mark it, I can mark it as cruel 

462
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800
and insensitive, that'll kind of
limit the reach, okay? 

463
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,700
Or I can delete it completely or
can leave it. 

464
00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:28,400
Okay, so on this room and say, 
okay, you're looking at an event

465
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,600
from 20 years ago and you're 
mocking people who died. 

466
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,300
Yes. 
We know people died during 9/11,

467
00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:37,100
right? 
And so, if, if I can, if I can 

468
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:40,100
see the people in the imagery of
the meme, if you had like a 

469
00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:42,700
beep, if you photoshopped in one
of the people who actually died.

470
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,800
Okay? 
Then that changes things. 

471
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,400
That means I would normally to 
delete it completely. 

472
00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:51,800
Okay? 
Or, but if I'm just, if I'm just

473
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,800
referencing it, like with words,
then, We could just Mark in 

474
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,700
limit the reach how how limited 
would that go? 

475
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,400
Like what is the mechanism that 
would that would stifle it? 

476
00:21:00,408 --> 00:21:02,300
Is it just to your ear immediate
circle? 

477
00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,800
Is it that people that had to go
do they have to search for it? 

478
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,800
So that that one we didn't 
control, I didn't see the 

479
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,100
metrics and how they how they 
limited it. 

480
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,800
You can just mark it that way 
because that's what that 

481
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,500
Facebook told us to do. 
Okay, so yeah, I'm not sure on 

482
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:20,500
the details of that but yet, but
if it was a, you see, if the 

483
00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:23,100
thing of the funny thing is 
like, so there's a rapper named 

484
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,100
temptation. 
Murdered in Florida. 

485
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:28,700
Okay, xx and my refuge in the, 
right? 

486
00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:31,900
Yeah, it was there's a rapper. 
Maybe they may be looking to see

487
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,400
if Steve knows about rappers in 
Florida. 

488
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:39,300
He lives in Florida from earlier
with hip hop community, so I 

489
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:40,700
could be wrong with the name 
guys, correct me. 

490
00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:44,300
But there was a rapper who got 
murdered in his car and there 

491
00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:45,500
are memes about it. 
Okay? 

492
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,900
And it turns out this guy was 
had a criminal record, okay. 

493
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,000
And there's a little caveat with
them. 

494
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,200
Policy saying we allow the meme 
if they're criminal. 

495
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,900
Oh good. 
Yeah. 

496
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,500
Yeah. 
So Kobe Bryant you can make me 

497
00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:57,500
meet you couldn't. 
Make means about his helicopter 

498
00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:00,000
crash because he was not a 
criminal even though he was 

499
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,500
well, we won't go into that. 
That's another tangent noted. 

500
00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:05,500
But but but yeah, if they're 
convicted criminal, then you can

501
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:08,800
make fun of them. 
So that it was, that's the 

502
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,300
coolant sense of policy. 
So that's an example of how we 

503
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:16,000
would really analyze the, the 
memes. 

504
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:21,000
So there's protocol means well, 
go ahead, Steve not just limited

505
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,400
to memes. 
What if somebody put up a post? 

506
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,300
Like, I just Said a dark joke in
text form it applies to that as 

507
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,000
well. 
It's supposed to text will not 

508
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,400
just not just imagery. 
So, so image, you can be imagery

509
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,600
or wording. 
That's mocking Live Events. 

510
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,400
So, if I said, hey, you know, 
the Boston Marathon bombing was 

511
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,700
really. 
I had a trying to think of some 

512
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,100
like, play. 
A way of words, you know. 

513
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,800
I got a joke for you, okay? 
All right. 

514
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:51,500
Very dark joke. 
But what's the only part of the 

515
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,200
vegetable that you can eat? 
The wheelchair. 

516
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,100
We basically what's the only 
way, say it again? 

517
00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:04,700
What's the only part of a 
vegetable that you can eat the 

518
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:06,900
wheelchair? 
Okay. 

519
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:11,300
So, all right here. 
So as an example, That's making 

520
00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:13,900
fun or being cruel or 
insensitive towards people who 

521
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:15,100
are handicapped. 
Yeah. 

522
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:16,500
Mentally handicapped, whatever 
you want to call it there 

523
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,900
sitting in a wheelchair 
vegetative state. 

524
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,500
So what does that look like on a
censorship level, is that going 

525
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:27,700
to be reach limited or do you? 
So the, to be honest I did this 

526
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:28,900
change out of curiosity. 
Yes. 

527
00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:31,400
The most of all is is didn't 
have that limiting reach option 

528
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,900
to Mark as okay. 
That was more of like that, we 

529
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,400
did that for Professor Emerging 
Markets, sensitive or markers 

530
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,700
cruel. 
So if there was imagery of like 

531
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,400
a child birth, for example, That
showed a female genitalia. 

532
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:43,900
Got it. 
We would mark it as sensitive so

533
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,500
you people could still have you 
but there's have to click 

534
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,900
through. 
Okay, so I hate that by the way,

535
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,500
I just like I don't know, I'm a 
grown-up. 

536
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,100
I'm yeah, nobody likes to click 
through laughter like and it 

537
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,600
always makes you want to click 
through it more because you're 

538
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,300
like, oh my gosh they're not 
going to show it wasn't. 

539
00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:58,800
Was that ever discussed out of 
curiosity? 

540
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,900
Because I feel like if you put 
something as marked as sensitive

541
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,200
and you blurt out to me, I'm 
going to find out what it is. 

542
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,500
And usually I'm disappointed 
that it's not that interesting. 

543
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:09,400
Usually, it's some lame mean 
that somebody pushed through 

544
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,500
that. 
That I don't even you know I'm 

545
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:15,400
like what kind of a what kind of
a wimp was marking this to be 

546
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,300
sensitive like how gentle of 
would your feelings have to be 

547
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,900
and I imagine that must have 
changed but do they actually 

548
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:24,200
ever discuss the fact that when 
you try to put a blur a 

549
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,400
sensitive content warning that 
it actually boost the signal we 

550
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,200
didn't? 
So we didn't I didn't have 

551
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,900
discussions about that maybe and
the higher level but I did have 

552
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,700
a discussion with Mike manager 
with for congressman who he 

553
00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:39,900
interface with Facebook a lot. 
Okay, we talked about Boogaloo. 

554
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,900
Is Boogaloo was trending that 
phrase and then we talked about 

555
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,600
cops attacks on cops. 
So one thing that did change 

556
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,700
during that time frame, is that,
you know. 

557
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,300
Okay, here's another thing. 
Let's let's imagine, I mean, 

558
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,400
we're just a photo, let's say I 
put the photo on Facebook and it

559
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,500
says, it has a picture of a cop.
So I take a picture of a cop on 

560
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,300
the street. 
Okay. 

561
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,600
And I say that cop is a pig. 
Got it. 

562
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,800
Okay, so now this is a private 
individual, yep? 

563
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Right. 
And so, you're calling this 

564
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,600
private individual a pig. 
So, if I take a picture of a 

565
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,000
civilian, I post a picture of 
this Random person. 

566
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,700
This person is a pig that falls 
under the bullying policy 

567
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:18,100
comparison to animal. 
So bullying policy comparison to

568
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,000
animal. 
Yeah this is definitely written 

569
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,900
by lawyers. 
Yeah. 

570
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:25,700
Okay so yeah and then I think 
there's a lot behind this 

571
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:30,000
curtain that people have no idea
on how minut but that makes 

572
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,800
sense. 
Lawyers have to get down to the 

573
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,200
granular detail, so yeah, that 
checks okay, bullying comparison

574
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800
to animal but cops have a 
special category so they change 

575
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000
it. 
So when I first started in 2018,

576
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,700
We would delete it because you 
know, cops are still proud of 

577
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:44,200
that person. 
So private individual. 

578
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,500
Yes. 
But then, you know, Facebook 

579
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,900
changed the rules and they said 
you know we're going to make an 

580
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,800
exception and the just face to 
the. 

581
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,900
We're going to say that's that's
allowed now to attack cops and 

582
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:58,700
call them pigs Leslie. 
So and the justification for 

583
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,400
that was because of how the term
is used in the marketers. 

584
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,700
Some, some bullshit 
justification. 

585
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:08,700
So that's one of the many 
examples where they, I saw this 

586
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:12,400
trend and that's when I Arted 
like documenting, like, I'd been

587
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,200
there about a year. 
Let's see, March 23 March 2018. 

588
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,100
I reached out to project Veritas
in May of 2020. 

589
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,300
No, I'm sorry. 
Sorry may have 2019. 

590
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,600
May have 2019. 
Okay. 

591
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,100
And so I do, notice notice the 
strands or, you know, there's 

592
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,400
political content they want to 
look for the word Boogaloo or 

593
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,800
the what that is? 
I know what it is. 

594
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000
I'm pretty confident Steve does 
as well, but share people like, 

595
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:36,900
not everybody is paying 
attention all this stuff and 

596
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:40,000
there's so much. 
There's so many triggering. 

597
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,900
Ideas to leftist because they 
want to censor speech. 

598
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,700
I guess that things that make 
know different like Tumblr. 

599
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:52,800
Google is so Boogaloo is like so
I mean the original word I think

600
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,400
is this if you look it up on 
Urban Dictionary which Boogaloo 

601
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,800
is kind of like a dance but boo 
in the modern sense, the world 

602
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,400
is different, meetings is like 
refers to Civil War. 

603
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:06,600
That was that was my 
understanding of it. 

604
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,300
So the hashtag Boogaloo would 
you see a lot of people with 

605
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,800
these Hawaiian tea Shirts who 
like the Boogaloo, boys, who 

606
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,800
would basically advocating for 
the second minute advocating for

607
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:21,800
that's kind of sort of a 
generally anti-government type 

608
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,700
position. 
Yeah, so the name actually comes

609
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,200
the way that they did. 
It was the Boogaloo boys. 

610
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,100
They took the name from a 70s 
movie called Electric Boogaloo 

611
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,100
to okay. 
Is that? 

612
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,200
No? 
It was called something Electric

613
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Slide. 
I think the Boogaloo, the 

614
00:27:35,608 --> 00:27:36,800
Electric Boogaloo, some of the 
effect. 

615
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,100
I'm going to have to get this 
right, folks. 

616
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,000
It's corrected, the comments. 
I know you guys are watching on 

617
00:27:40,008 --> 00:27:43,800
the Chad, make it happen. 
The it was a 70s movie. 

618
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,900
It was about a dance party and 
that basically became the idea 

619
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,600
of the Boogaloo, the big 
Boogaloo was like, the dance 

620
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,000
that we would do, which was the 
Civil War. 

621
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,800
So you're 100% correct as far as
the reference, but it's a movie 

622
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,900
reference initially and it was a
dance. 

623
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,500
Okay. 
And then these guys kind of 

624
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,100
adopted it and then they would 
start talking around it and then

625
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,200
they knew they were getting 
censored. 

626
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,400
So they're using other things 
like things that sounded like 

627
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,400
Boogaloo like the big Eskimo or 
the big Igloo, rather so 

628
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,100
Boogaloo, big Igloo, my buddy 
will always ask me. 

629
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,700
These questions, because he's a,
he's an FBI agent, and he's a 

630
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,200
troll. 
Like, he's my favorite kind of 

631
00:28:14,208 --> 00:28:15,900
person. 
So, he's always like a man. 

632
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,800
Like, when the igloo kicks off, 
are we going to know where we 

633
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,300
going? 
Like you come here, like we go 

634
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:21,800
on there. 
So there's a whole culture built

635
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,600
up of kind of talk around the 
censorship. 

636
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000
Yeah, at a lot is because they 
knew that those things have 

637
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,600
trended had had been trending, 
and then they had been censored 

638
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,700
actively. 
They knew that they weren't 

639
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,000
getting the reach they were 
previously. 

640
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Mmm, so the hashtag Boogaloo. 
So the Boogaloo boys, who are by

641
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,400
All rights? 
I don't know if they're idiots 

642
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,600
or not. 
I like to me, they kind Just 

643
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000
seemed dim? 
Yeah, they're Hawaiian shirt 

644
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,100
wearing with tactical gear. 
All that seems silly, that's 

645
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,700
cosplay stuff, but it was making
people upset also and that 

646
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:50,900
became a caucus and write about 
it. 

647
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,500
So, like my supervisor knew that
I was conservative, his name was

648
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,000
Sean Browder like I, you know, 
eventually end up filling him 

649
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,100
with a hidden camera and he's 
didn't like that. 

650
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,500
What was, what are his politics 
different than yours? 

651
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,700
Whatever. 
He was, he was very leftist. 

652
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:07,500
Okay, well I guess he was a 
Bernie supporter so that's left 

653
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:13,300
is as far as I guess, and So, I 
brought it up to me, he's like, 

654
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,800
hey, I'm seeing this trend of 
like, they're talking about 

655
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Boogaloo and Civil War he and 
he's like, oh, you know, this is

656
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,400
really good. 
Like Facebook is really 

657
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,700
interested Keen to know what's 
going on, what's trending with 

658
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:26,200
that. 
So why, you know, why this Keen 

659
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,200
interest in politics? 
Why the hell do you care? 

660
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,000
If you're okay, as long as you 
keep the porn off your site like

661
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,600
why do you care? 
And so we had other explicit 

662
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,700
instructions, I have screenshots
where they're saying, we need 

663
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:40,100
urgent visibility into the 
democratic debate. 

664
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,200
Mike. 
Okay. 

665
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,900
Why do you care about politics 
so much or they're Ukraine 

666
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,100
whistleblower? 
What's gosh, what's his name? 

667
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,200
The guy who caused the 
impeachment of Eric charmella 

668
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,300
cerebellar Eric chair Marella 
not to be confused with a donut 

669
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,400
eating venneman who more than 
happy. 

670
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200
I think Steve would love to 
challenge him to a foot race. 

671
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,200
I'll get into a head-butting 
competition whatever, not a big 

672
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,300
fan of that guy but the the 
so-called whistleblower who was 

673
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,600
upset about a phone call that 
needed to To be pushed and 

674
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,300
Amplified. 
Yeah, mmm. 

675
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:17,000
So if you're now, if you're OK, 
if you're a republican, you want

676
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,900
to do a talking point, you're 
going to mention his name, 

677
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,600
right? 
Because the left didn't want his

678
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,200
name to mention my mentions, 
right? 

679
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Well, guess who didn't also want
his face mean, he did. 

680
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,800
Guess you knew that I wasn't 
sorry guys. 

681
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,900
Little bit tired because it's 
rustic here. 

682
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:30,900
He told me he had five hours of 
sleep and he was like, I'm sure 

683
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:32,900
that's your normal and I was 
like tragically enough. 

684
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,700
That is my normal, I functional 
five hours, Whatever. 

685
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,800
Whenever you guys see me, it's 
because I've been had five hours

686
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,500
of sleep. 
I think I had a date last night 

687
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,200
so I feel like Superhero. 
Wow, that's impressive. 

688
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,100
I could slow down. 
I actually get faster. 

689
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,400
The more tired I get. 
So, so, guess who did guess who 

690
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,500
else did not want C? 
RL is named. 

691
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,500
I mentioned. 
That's look right? 

692
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,200
So Facebook and I riskily this 
because I saw his name being 

693
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,500
mentioned and I'm like, so they 
asked you to tag post with his 

694
00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:59,400
name. 
Yeah. 

695
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,800
They'd know, they told us to 
delete any mention of his name. 

696
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:03,800
Whoa. 
And I raise up on my, why are we

697
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,300
doing this like, oh, it's sort 
of this policy and recording 

698
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:07,900
harm. 
I'm like, but it doesn't. 

699
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,000
What are the policy called they 
were initially? 

700
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,900
Coordinating coordinating harm, 
coordinating harm. 

701
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,000
The coordinator mean that covers
a lot of. 

702
00:31:16,008 --> 00:31:19,500
Well, this is a doxxing and 
Auntie doxing type thing or so. 

703
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,500
That's, that's the thing. 
So, initially, it's weird 

704
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,300
because initially, they're like,
oh, delete it under privacy 

705
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,200
because he's like, law 
enforcement. 

706
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400
I'm going, no, he's not a law 
enforcement, so they change 

707
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,600
their like, okay, let's change 
it to just this generic 

708
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,500
coordinating harm. 
So if they don't, if there's not

709
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:37,500
a bucket coordinator under that 
is like election, fraud doc 

710
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:38,800
document think would be under 
coordinator. 

711
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Yeah, I could see docs or a Ling
coordinating her also is like 

712
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200
violence or, you know, if you're
hacking or some calling for 

713
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,100
cyber attacks or yes, still. 
So they put on the genetic 

714
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,000
policy in the frontal areas. 
Thing is, you know, who also 

715
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
looks like Eric's Camera. 
Well, I guess Alex Soros does. 

716
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,900
Well, do I raises them? 
Hey, we're doing this guy under.

717
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,300
They think he's Alex. 
They think certain well is Alex 

718
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:06,700
Soros. 
And so I had have these pictures

719
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,900
of people like she looked this 
is our extramural do. 

720
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,900
He's the Ukraine? 
Or he's trying to gigs are 

721
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,600
people that are putting together
their own research, which is 

722
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,200
garbage. 
Yeah. 

723
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,700
So, conservatives are posting, 
like Haley. 

724
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,200
This is, this is extra Marella 
and they post picture box or 

725
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,600
something. 
Like, I told my supervisor 

726
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,300
shine. 
I'm like, Sean. 

727
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:23,000
Like that's not see Romero. 
That's Soros. 

728
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Do we still delete it? 
Yes, delete it because they've 

729
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
named thank you, sir. 
Marella so no mention of him at 

730
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400
all. 
That's just so crazy that they 

731
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600
would just totally. 
So, and that means they were 

732
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,200
legitimately and that was the 
same things. 

733
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,500
We heard Adam Schiff saying, 
nobody can mention his name They

734
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,400
were trying, they were yelling 
out in the middle of hearings 

735
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,900
and stopping people from 
finishing sentences. 

736
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:45,500
They thought was going to say 
his name. 

737
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,400
He turned into Voldemort for 
some reason where you couldn't 

738
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,700
mention his name is too fearful 
and then Facebook is marching 

739
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:56,500
out the same exact orders. 100 
percent Democrat, Ron talking 

740
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,600
points and agenda. 
Yeah. 

741
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,900
Okay. 
So at that point are you 

742
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:02,900
recording? 
Are you doing the videos or 

743
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:03,700
that? 
Is that what drove me there? 

744
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,900
That was probably one of those 
that was it 2018, wasn't it? 

745
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,100
Yeah. 
So at that point I wasn't I 

746
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:10,900
wasn't recording. 
So a lot of of this stuff like I

747
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,800
had the we have our internal 
Facebook workplace that look 

748
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,700
kind of like Facebook that we 
had that we use to court 

749
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,600
communicate so when I started 
filming has only slack or 

750
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,100
something else it was their own 
like internal thing. 

751
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,200
It never is called Facebook, 
workplace got it. 

752
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,900
Yeah, so yeah. 
So I started when I started 

753
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,900
filming in like 20 night scene 
you know, summer 2019 and 

754
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,100
heavily in that fall. 
Then I went back and document 

755
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,800
all these conversations and 
instructions. 

756
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,000
Oh, another fun to is to 
continue working there when 

757
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,000
First started, we were like, you
know, we were working and then 

758
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,400
they're like, oh, by the way to 
continue working, you guys need 

759
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,100
to link your personal fake 
Facebook account at work. 

760
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Like you have to login and Link 
it and they're like, yes, with 

761
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,500
the rationale was, they go, we 
don't want you. 

762
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,500
Accidentally deleting your 
friends, comments and posts. 

763
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,900
I'm like, what are the odds out 
of the all the internet posts in

764
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,900
the world that I'm going to run 
across? 

765
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,300
Like, my friends Millions per 
day of things that are uploaded,

766
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:09,900
but you're going to have to 
accidentally, have some conflict

767
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:13,300
of Interest situation is so it's
astronomically low and they have

768
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:15,500
to know that. 
So this was a control mechanism 

769
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,400
to be able to monitor what 
you're about. 

770
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,900
Yeah, and some people were like,
I don't have a Facebook account 

771
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:20,800
there. 
Call you have to create one 

772
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,600
then. 
I like that, I would do that too

773
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,300
Kyle Kyle, the legend. 
So, one of the funny stories I 

774
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:27,699
hadn't been on Facebook in a 
very long time. 

775
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:31,000
I had one when I was in college,
I want to say and I always hated

776
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,300
social media. 
Unfortunately, it's part of my 

777
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:33,699
life now. 
So those of you who follow me on

778
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:40,000
social media, you know, Sy do so
reluctantly one of the big big 

779
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,600
Things that happen when I joined
the bureau, I had no faith. 

780
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,800
I had no social media. 
I actually turned it off before 

781
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
I joined the military knowing 
that I would have certain types 

782
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,300
of trainings, possibly sensitive
work, the possibility, that 

783
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,199
existed, it was very fun. 
When I went to see her school 

784
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:54,800
and they couldn't find a 
Facebook page on me. 

785
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,800
I guess they weren't very good 
researchers, so they got 

786
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,400
nothing, but when I joined the 
FBI, the last thing that 

787
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,100
happened, I was slowly winnowing
my circle down a friend's, you 

788
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,900
know, you have your friends a 
circle and I got down to about 

789
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,700
under 100. 
I had 94 something and then my 

790
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:11,400
last message was like, you guys.
Guys all know who I am everyone 

791
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,300
on this thing that's you know, 
still on my friend list have my 

792
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,400
phone number so I'm done with 
this. 

793
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,600
I'm going to delete it so I did,
I deleted the Facebook page and 

794
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200
the last thing that I saw come 
through, there was my younger 

795
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,000
brother who was a total turd and
he said, in honor of Kyle 

796
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,500
leaving Facebook, I'm going to 
launch a fan page known as The 

797
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,400
Legend of Kyle seraphin. 
But when you did but it was a 

798
00:35:34,408 --> 00:35:36,600
closed page, it had to be like 
one of my friends. 

799
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,800
He invited people to from that 
Circle of 90 something. 

800
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,600
And then he spent all of his not
very much time at all. 

801
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,400
He did these face of what he 
called. 

802
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,700
Photo. 
Shoppings of me, you know, I'd 

803
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:47,800
be at like, a shooting range. 
I have a pistol and I'd be out 

804
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,700
shooting and then you would 
Photoshop me like, in the middle

805
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,400
of a rainforest, shooting app 
and on the face and then 

806
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,700
underneath it would say like, 
endangered species my ass and 

807
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:57,200
like, other look stupid idiot. 
You know, it's like, it's like 

808
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,400
SEAL Team. 
Six listens to me. 

809
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,600
I'm like, you know, standing 
here like this at a wedding and 

810
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,800
he like photoshops me on the 
deck of a carrier with like, an 

811
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,100
And fibulas assault, team coming
up behind me and I'm wearing 

812
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:07,100
like, wedding clothes, just 
stupid. 

813
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,000
There was one of them me 
Swinging on a jungle Vine in 

814
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,500
Hawaii and like a pair of shorts
and like a wife beater and and 

815
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,200
he photoshops me hanging off a 
Blackhawk like, going through an

816
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,100
explosion. 
It's just, it was done. 

817
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,400
It was the dumbest and was very 
obviously, really badly 

818
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,900
Photoshop pixelation, you know? 
No Shadow matching nothing. 

819
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:26,000
It was just all trash. 
So he puts this up, he did that 

820
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,200
in 2000, I don't know, six, 
something like that. 

821
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,100
I joined the bureau, in 2016, 10
years later, I have no 

822
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,400
recollection of this. 
It's my first day on the squad. 

823
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,800
They pulled up that thing and 
they're like, so you got 

824
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,600
something to say to us the 
legend? 

825
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,800
That was, like, why do you guys 
keep calling me the legend? 

826
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,900
That's really weird. 
And they're like whatever you 

827
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,000
say, Legend, you know, and I'm 
walking around as I can. 

828
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Someone please explain this to 
me, this is a weird inside joke 

829
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,400
and it's not funny to me, so I 
can't even. 

830
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600
I'm not even salted. 
I'm just confused and the guys 

831
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,900
go. 
Your Facebook page. 

832
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:56,700
I don't have a Facebook page. 
Not go. 

833
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:59,500
Yes you do. 
Didn't this you I look at it and

834
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:03,200
I was like son of a bitch call 
my brother up my first On the 

835
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,300
job in, in Washington DC. 
And I'm like, dude, are you 

836
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:07,500
serious? 
And he's like, man, I don't 

837
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:08,800
remember that thing. 
I gotta go figure out why the 

838
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,100
login for it. 
Yeah. 

839
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
So, you know, that would be kind
of fun if you had a legend is 

840
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,200
forever. 
It is forever. 

841
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:16,900
So they're linking you in this. 
Sorry. 

842
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,600
I'm like I said, ye some queso 
so for it's just to recap. 

843
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,800
So you know that's that's 
hilarious. 

844
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:23,200
That's a that goes though, 
right? 

845
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:25,700
It's the other thing because 
they're going to go back all the

846
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:28,400
way to your first post back 
maybe when you were in college 

847
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,300
ten years ago, when you link 
your personal profile and 

848
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,200
they're going to see your 
brother calling you the Legend 

849
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,200
and uploading pictures you that 
are photoshopped. 

850
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,000
When it wasn't as serious, when 
we didn't know that. 

851
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,500
I was going to be part of your 
job applications, because people

852
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,400
are now getting their inner, you
know, their social media 

853
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,000
researched. 
Yep, people are making hiring 

854
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,500
decisions based on what you did 
10 years ago on a Facebook 

855
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:47,700
account when you're in high 
school? 

856
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:48,800
Yeah. 
For sure. 

857
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,300
I mean, that's definitely 
happening. 

858
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,100
Yeah. 
So they, so, for me to continue 

859
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:56,100
working there, that was probably
an in 2000 early 2019, we had to

860
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,500
link our personal Facebook 
account, so this is 1500 people 

861
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:01,200
working for a third party 
contractor, right? 

862
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,800
We're doing the content 
moderation for Facebook. 

863
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,400
And we have to, we have to log 
in our personal Facebook 

864
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,800
account. 
So I did if they were smart they

865
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,100
would have, you know, caught me 
that, you know, I was I was 

866
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,700
filming that point. 
But, you know, it's funny 

867
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,100
because they, you know, 
whistleblowers like us. 

868
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,200
You know, they there's a certain
type like religious people tend 

869
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,900
to be whistleblowers. 
That's true. 

870
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,300
I think there's three buckets. 
Tell me. 

871
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,400
You can think of three 
categories of was closed off the

872
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,400
top of your head. 
Maybe we can put this together 

873
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,000
really well. 
Religious. 

874
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
And then the ones, those are 
ideological base. 

875
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,400
They find a personal. 
Offense in the thing that 

876
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,600
they're being asked to do so 
they have a moral problem. 

877
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,100
They're being asked to do 
something they think is either 

878
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,000
illegal immoral or unethical and
they come forward, right? 

879
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,400
That's there. 
That's a religious bucket, 

880
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,600
right? 
Right. 

881
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,100
And that's where you were, 
that's that's where I was. 

882
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,500
Yeah, there's another bucket 
that everyone always gets 

883
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:49,700
misconstrued with. 
I know. 

884
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:51,100
Steve friend has been called 
this thing. 

885
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,000
I know I have been called that. 
I imagine they probably said the

886
00:38:53,008 --> 00:38:54,700
same thing about you, a 
malcontent. 

887
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:56,400
Somebody who was a disgruntled 
employee. 

888
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:58,500
Do I know you're not a legit 
whistleblower, because you were 

889
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,800
just having a bad time at your 
job. 

890
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:02,500
I said, well, I was having a 
bad. 

891
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:04,100
I love my job because they asked
me to do something. 

892
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,300
That was morally a, it was 
morally, you know? 

893
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:07,800
Reprehensible. 
Yeah. 

894
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,700
And I didn't want to participate
in that and that makes you have 

895
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:10,800
a bad time, your job. 
Yeah. 

896
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,300
So I think those are two 
distinct buckets. 

897
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,000
There are some people that are 
just and then the third is like,

898
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,800
they're a really bad employee 
and they've done something that 

899
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,100
was sort of, they're incapable 
of doing the job and then they 

900
00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:22,700
have to defend themselves. 
So they make an eeo complaint or

901
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,400
they make a whistle blowing 
complaint, trying to save their 

902
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,700
own skin because they know 
they're on the chopping block 

903
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,800
from doing their job poorly, 
those seem to be the three, so 

904
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,400
religious malcontent and saving 
their own skin. 

905
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:34,900
It seems to be is that kind of 
makes sense to you? 

906
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,900
Yeah don't make sense. 
It's we all get smeared. 

907
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,800
Yeah. 
One way or another, but as an 

908
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,300
organization if you know that 
those are the types of 

909
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:44,800
ideologies. 
Are you going to like, you're 

910
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,000
going to want to look at the 
risk? 

911
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,400
That's a risk. 
Whistleblowing is a risk for the

912
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,300
company. 
Yes. 

913
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,500
Because you want don't want 
people like it would. 

914
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:55,600
Look at you bird that one that 
one lady that would allow a 

915
00:39:55,607 --> 00:39:58,200
lawsuit against Uber for sexual 
harassment. 

916
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,300
She was very religious group. 
Very religious religious. 

917
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:02,500
Yep. 
So people with that back, 

918
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,400
Ground. 
You know what is going to look 

919
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,100
at that? 
So when so that was kind of my 

920
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,200
background and I did get passed 
over for a few promotions but I 

921
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,300
really don't think that played 
much of a role in. 

922
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,500
Like, I don't know. 
Like that didn't motivate you to

923
00:40:17,508 --> 00:40:20,000
go forward with it. 
No, I was just like I started 

924
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,800
noticing a few examples of 
Michael Kay. 

925
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,400
Why are they, why did they make 
any exceptions newsworthy 

926
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,500
exception? 
So, that's the big. 

927
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,300
You phrase that we would use 
newsworthy exception. 

928
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Like, hey, Don Lemon called 
white white, Was a terror 

929
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,100
threat. 
Yes, we know that that violates 

930
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,800
our hate speech policy. 
Yes. 

931
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Don Lemon broke our rules. 
We know that we are making a 

932
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
newsworthy exception to allow 
that. 

933
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:46,400
So they were politically 
motivated to allow certain 

934
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,500
content. 
And it, it sounds like it 

935
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:51,800
favored the left, because that's
where Silicon Valley in general 

936
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,900
liens, that route. 
Yeah, as far as you know, where 

937
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:56,500
the lawyers all out of, sort of 
California was that kind of of 

938
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:58,800
California cultural, I would 
imagine. 

939
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,600
So, I don't know that the law 
should wrote the policy of 

940
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,800
Facebook community, Guidelines 
are policies. 

941
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,100
We called them the 
implementation standards. 

942
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,300
That sounds very what's funny is
that there's so many parallels 

943
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:16,300
between large government, you 
know, and large businesses that 

944
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,000
are in bed with the government I
guess. 

945
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,200
And maybe that's why. 
I don't know which where the 

946
00:41:19,207 --> 00:41:21,000
crossover happen don't know if 
the government's trying to be 

947
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,600
like the like the one or if the 
if the companies are trying to 

948
00:41:24,607 --> 00:41:26,500
be like the government, but they
end up in the same sort of 

949
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:30,100
mealy-mouthed like word salads, 
yeah, where they don't mean 

950
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:32,500
anything, there euphemisms for 
something else, it's sort of 

951
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:33,700
Watch. 
Yeah. 

952
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:35,800
So they're doing these Community
where they Community. 

953
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:37,400
Yeah. 
Community standards Community, 

954
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,900
she wants more lingo. 
That's the only hope my list. 

955
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:41,900
You had some very funny 
quotations on there. 

956
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,600
I'm going to, I'm going to let 
you off the chain on there. 

957
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:45,600
Folks, this may be a little bit 
colorful because there's some 

958
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,100
pretty funny stuff that that 
Ryan has direct quotes of. 

959
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,700
And if you are at work and you 
need to put on headphones, you 

960
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:53,900
should probably do that at this 
point and this would be the the 

961
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:55,700
move. 
If you're at home, crank up the 

962
00:41:55,707 --> 00:41:57,300
volume. 
And I'm gonna let him just like 

963
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,300
read some of the stuff that they
had to lay evaluate. 

964
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:00,700
And I think we'll find it all 
pretty. 

965
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:02,500
I mean, it's all comedy. 
I think so. 

966
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,800
Oh, this is, this is weekly 
guidance policy guidance. 

967
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,900
So this posted in our little 
like imagine you're on Facebook,

968
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:10,600
you know. 
It's like your group, Facebook 

969
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
thing, and your you post 
questions there in your group. 

970
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:18,400
So someone this is from guidance
from Facebook and someone posted

971
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,900
to the cognizant North America 
team August 30th and 2019 at 

972
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,900
8:14 p.m. hashtag weekly 
questions, hashtag policy, 

973
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:30,600
guidance, and the question is 
number one, how should we treat 

974
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,800
clear exaggerations of speech 
that In claims of sexual 

975
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,800
activity. 
IE, get Trump's dick out of your

976
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,000
mouth. 
Oh, get this is directly from 

977
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,900
the do sterilized, like this is 
such a, this is such a nerdy 

978
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,200
sort of exploit. 
It's like, how do we handle 

979
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,200
those travels? 
We always had this thing in our 

980
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,300
internal chat up, the guys that 
are the FBI whistleblower group.

981
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:55,100
We have a thing, we call it the 
Chad's for Freedom, although 

982
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,300
we've recently just cleaned it 
up and it's just this 

983
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,700
Expendables. 
So, guys like me and Steve and 

984
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:00,800
there's a couple others that are
in there. 

985
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,300
Garrett, will boil, and And 
whenever somebody says 

986
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,000
something, that's particularly 
funny or has a really good, you 

987
00:43:07,008 --> 00:43:10,200
know, social media hit like a 
tweet that you know, lands or 

988
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,600
whatever and it's funny then 
like somebody else will be like 

989
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,600
sir, they're saying this and 
then they just like do that like

990
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,700
the kind of like nerdy. 
You can imagine somebody running

991
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:17,900
into the director's office in 
background. 

992
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:21,300
Stars are making fun of us again
and it's all I like, I just know

993
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:23,200
that those people are 
everywhere, it doesn't matter if

994
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,000
they're in the government, it 
doesn't matter if they're a 

995
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,700
Facebook at their Twitter or 
anything else. 

996
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,600
There's always a someone who's 
banging on the door with the 

997
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,600
sir. 
This is the thing, whoever wrote

998
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,700
that, it's not Karen. 
There needs to be Male name for 

999
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:36,100
likes, it's like Smithers. 
Go ahead. 

1000
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,800
What are you guys, Steve? 
It's Neil, it's Neil Neil. 

1001
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,500
Why is it? 
Neil? 

1002
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,800
Because Neil takes an a Neil's. 
Are we going to name it? 

1003
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,000
That I'm down. 
Okay, into that. 

1004
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,300
We we could knock not Neo Neil. 
Any IL ya une? 

1005
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,600
IL, which is synonymous with K 
and ee L. 

1006
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,300
Yeah. 
So Neil is the guy that knocks 

1007
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:58,700
on the door and says sir, 
they're doing this thing in 

1008
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:00,100
there. 
Making fun of her again this is 

1009
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:02,000
what you got. 
Take Trump's dick out of your 

1010
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,900
mouth. 
Yeah is a big problem. 

1011
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,300
We so again, it's an 
exaggeration of specialized 

1012
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:12,000
clear exaggerating drag the be 
clear, exaggeration of speech 

1013
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,500
that contains. 
That's the sleep apnea sleep 

1014
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:18,100
deprivation, that can hinge 
claim, sexual activity, IE get 

1015
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:19,400
you. 
Unstuck Trump's dick out your 

1016
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,500
mouth. 
Oh, get off his dick already got

1017
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,800
it. 
So, so it's so the guidance. 

1018
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,800
Okay. 
What's the guidance guys? 

1019
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,100
Like we come across, this this 
is, is this political speech? 

1020
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,900
Are they actually saying, hey, 
you are having sex with Trump, 

1021
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:35,000
you need to take his dick out of
your mouth. 

1022
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,600
Like this could be this Regatta 
Regatta no claim of sexual 

1023
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,500
activities, right? 
Because if you normally don't 

1024
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,700
like to be fair reality, I mean 
we're not going to talk about 

1025
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,000
Stormy Daniels right now but we 
can maybe later we. 

1026
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,600
So the guidance is we should 
ignore content that uses clear 

1027
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,400
exaggerations of speech so 
ignore it. 

1028
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:57,000
So we know it's an exaggeration 
speed like that contains sexual 

1029
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,800
activity. 
Got it. 

1030
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,400
We need explicit context the 
posters using the phrase as an 

1031
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,200
exaggeration not next. 
Well, sexual claim got it. 

1032
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,700
Okay, if context is not 
available, it should be enforced

1033
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:07,900
in court. 
Early, this applies to all 

1034
00:45:07,908 --> 00:45:09,900
individuals, not just public 
figures. 

1035
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:11,600
Nice. 
Okay. 

1036
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,900
So that's that's seems like a 
reasonable side of guidance. 

1037
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,400
Yeah. 
But it's also funny that 

1038
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,800
somebody is that Neil is 
concerned about that. 

1039
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,300
Yeah, Neil and Neil up at 
corporate, if Facebook 

1040
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,100
corporate, you know, it was 
really concerned and we were 

1041
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,000
coming across this a lot. 
And we do we delete this 

1042
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,200
because, you know, the if you're
if you're talking about using 

1043
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,400
that phrase, I mean, you're 
clear. 

1044
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,900
Talking talking about a trump 
supporter, if you service and 

1045
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:38,400
get someone that you met someone
who likes Trump, right? 

1046
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,000
You are making fun of somebody 
who likes drawing. 

1047
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,600
Yeah. 
That's you saying stop saying 

1048
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,800
this favorited speech towards 
somebody because they're 

1049
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,800
obviously on the other side. 
Yeah. 

1050
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,800
So can we justify way to delete 
content from Trump supporters? 

1051
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,300
That's what they were basically 
asking. 

1052
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,000
Hmm. 
Yes, we Dragon. 

1053
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:56,800
So that's that's that's that 
policy. 

1054
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,200
There's some other. 
See here, there's more about 

1055
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,100
your time. 
You can look through these 

1056
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:02,800
things. 
We got, we got, you know, 

1057
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:05,700
there's no rush. 
So one of the fun things that I 

1058
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:12,000
think people are going to be 
curious about is, did this, you 

1059
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,700
know, did were there any 
examples where they were trying 

1060
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,400
to be fair? 
I think that we we saw some of 

1061
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000
that in the Twitter files where 
they were looking at stuff on 

1062
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600
the left as well and going, you 
know, this is also an 

1063
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,900
appropriate. 
But I'd be curious. 

1064
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,300
If they were more towards one 
side of the other, it was it 

1065
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,800
all. 
I mean, was it, 90 90 10? 

1066
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,300
Was it was it 5050? 
Probably not. 

1067
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:33,500
Was it? 
You know, 100% in one category 

1068
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:36,000
where they were literally 
letting everything else go they 

1069
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,300
going to say the name Steve 
friend but she can't say Eric 

1070
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:41,100
Center. 
Marla yeah, that's good 

1071
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,100
question. 
So because I get that question 

1072
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,300
more about like, oh, the 
moderators themselves might get 

1073
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,400
my co-workers. 
Yeah, can I co workers were not 

1074
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,900
weren't all leftist. 
We were here and we were in 

1075
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,200
Phoenix Arizona. 
We weren't in Silicon Valley, so

1076
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,100
there's some people that own 
guns and Arizona, America. 

1077
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Yeah, just a few, just a few, 
there's some Shooters. 

1078
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:58,800
Yeah, there's some shoes. 
Yeah. 

1079
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,600
One of the people who you're not
going to realize this, but when 

1080
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,100
Ryan came up, we've probably 
been talking for 15 minutes 

1081
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,600
before we sat down to do this. 
He's like, so are you caring? 

1082
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,400
And I was like, yeah, dude, of 
course I am. 

1083
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,200
I had to give my weapon over to 
Steve, so I didn't. 

1084
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,500
Look ridiculous sitting down 
like this. 

1085
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:14,900
So what Steve's keeping an eye 
on us? 

1086
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,700
He's got OverWatch for this 
stuff for the show, but, but 

1087
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:19,700
yeah, that's, that's a normal 
conversation. 

1088
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:22,900
Particularly in Arizona, most of
Arizona, regardless, with the 

1089
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
And say yeah seems to be pretty 
red. 

1090
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,400
So you've got co-workers that 
probably felt similar to you. 

1091
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,000
They may not have been willing 
to take a an activism stance. 

1092
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:34,500
Yeah I'm trying. 
How did you know that you guys 

1093
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,100
have like lunchroom 
conversations that we're going 

1094
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,700
on? 
Like what are they doing? 

1095
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:39,900
Are we are we tilting? 
The speech was it was any of 

1096
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:41,900
that discussed. 
So, so, honestly, I think it was

1097
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,400
like subtle enough where I think
most people didn't realize it 

1098
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,200
because I think, because I my 
background, I grew up just like 

1099
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,000
following politics a lot. 
So I kind of noticed things that

1100
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,400
maybe wasn't obvious to 
everyone. 

1101
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,100
Wasn't. 
There's always like we were 

1102
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,500
accused. 
Oh, you're not you're in the 

1103
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,300
politics Q all day? 
Know, like it was a mixed Q. 

1104
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,300
Like I was saying like so what's
hentai in time and Donald 

1105
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,600
Trump's dick is in your mouth. 
It's what do we do about this 

1106
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,900
meme? 
That has like a goat and it's 

1107
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:10,800
implying some sort of, you know,
some sort of thing about Arabs 

1108
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,500
or something. 
I don't know. 

1109
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,000
Like it just a hole, just a 
smorgasbord of stuff coming at 

1110
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:14,700
you? 
Yeah. 

1111
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:16,100
Yeah. 
I think I think they tried to be

1112
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:19,100
now. 
I think they try to be fair as 

1113
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,400
much as they could like as far 
as our metrics are concerned 

1114
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,200
like they did Like, we had Q&A, 
we had to be really on point. 

1115
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,300
We can, I can just randomly 
delete stuff and get away with 

1116
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:27,900
it. 
Yep. 

1117
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:29,400
So that was good. 
And that was more of on the 

1118
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,400
metric. 
Side, with cognizant, the 

1119
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,800
company I worked for where they 
incentivize for you to get more 

1120
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,700
censorship. 
If you censored, more things was

1121
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:37,400
that. 
It's like, it's like, Ryan's 

1122
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,600
really killing it. 
He's evaluated 1000 memes, and 

1123
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,400
he know he's got a 68% delete 
rate. 

1124
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,300
Is that a thing that they would 
look at like how do they, how do

1125
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:45,200
they measure you? 
So know that we didn't see any 

1126
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,600
sign of us for more deletions 
and actually the print, the 

1127
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,700
guiding principle to their 
credit, the guiding principle 

1128
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:52,900
was like we need to 
justification to delete stuff. 

1129
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,700
If so err on the side of okay, 
we want to keep more than we 

1130
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:01,400
delete, okay? 
And so, yeah, we got paid by how

1131
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,000
many jobs would like they gave 
us. 

1132
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,100
They dumped like, you know, 
10,000 jobs in our queue and we 

1133
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,500
had to go through them and got 
it. 

1134
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:11,400
And so, that's how we got paid. 
So the one. 

1135
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,600
Yeah, it's so most of it was 
pretty subtle but the some of 

1136
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:15,900
the stuff we're just kind of 
blatant. 

1137
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:17,900
Like okay. 
And this is one of my favorite 

1138
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:19,400
ones. 
They so Greta thumb Berg. 

1139
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:22,000
Have I'm an activist, how dare 
you. 

1140
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,000
And that was there in that. 
That was I was working there 

1141
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,800
when that happened and this is 
the best. 

1142
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,400
First of all, when you have a 14
year old, who's borderline 

1143
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,600
autistic telling world leaders 
about how to do policy, what's 

1144
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,800
better than that, like, who 
doesn't want a young teenage 

1145
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:37,600
chick who doesn't take social 
cues? 

1146
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,100
Telling them how to do things 
whose outrage, he's permanently 

1147
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,600
outraged. 
But you got a little about our 

1148
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,300
people. 
Her peer people adults are 

1149
00:49:45,308 --> 00:49:47,900
handling her, didn't she take a 
boat across the ocean? 

1150
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:49,200
At some point was not her big 
thing. 

1151
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Yeah, there's a Good, for you 
really like sounds fun, eating a

1152
00:49:51,607 --> 00:49:54,000
sandwich. 
And like what's that? 

1153
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,000
It was. 
Idiotic was a big one. 

1154
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,100
Oh yeah. 
Well, it sounds nice. 

1155
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,600
She didn't solo sail at that. 
It's like a clean. 

1156
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,900
Actually, there was a claim that
members of her staff or somebody

1157
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:09,700
else get flew over to meet her. 
It's like Bear Grylls when he 

1158
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:11,800
was doing the, what he was 
doing. 

1159
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,600
What was it? 
What was the name of that show? 

1160
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:15,300
Man vs. 
Wild. 

1161
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Is that what it's called? 
Yeah. 

1162
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:22,300
What was there so many. 
Sounds about right Post in the 

1163
00:50:22,308 --> 00:50:25,300
comments below. 
Clearly, remember girls, Ryan 

1164
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,700
knows how this works. 
When you don't know, you refer 

1165
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:31,700
to the live chat, what I think 
it was, it was whatever Bear 

1166
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:34,100
Grylls, story was, but they 
always used to joke that he 

1167
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,500
would set up the thing and be 
like, it's really talk right 

1168
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,000
now. 
And so I'm setting up this 

1169
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,600
lean-to and I've got this going 
on right here then, and then, 

1170
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,800
and then he would set it up and 
then they would cut the film. 

1171
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,300
And he'd have like that, you 
know, the night vision care. 

1172
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:46,900
That he go sleep in a Marriott 
or something like that was the 

1173
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:48,600
ongoing climbing up. 
That probably did happen, but to

1174
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,300
be fair, Bear Grylls is a super 
stud and he was also in the SAS 

1175
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:55,700
Gothenburg, not so much. 
Greater than birth was a child. 

1176
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,300
He's trying to do like a Revival
analysis and like try something 

1177
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:02,200
like 35 her, I wasn't the Sound 
by, I'm gonna keep that. 

1178
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,900
I'm gonna put it on this and 
found the next time. 

1179
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,000
So you know what I do? 
Because this is what we saw at 

1180
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,800
Facebook. 
We saw that picture where, you 

1181
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,000
know, Trump is walking into the 
Union, the union, the UN, okay. 

1182
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,500
And then they had to like push 
to get away for like security or

1183
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:19,100
something like that. 
And you see Greta just kind of 

1184
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,300
In the corner. 
Like learning. 

1185
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:22,900
I want to like blow that up and 
like, put on my wall. 

1186
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:25,000
I just love that imagery. 
It's a great image. 

1187
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,800
And so, we were seeing people at
Facebook saying could, you know,

1188
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,900
attacking read-a-thon Berg 
calling her agreed tarded. 

1189
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:36,200
Oops, greet our today. 
Yeah, I'm tracking you slapper 

1190
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:40,500
so it's, that's medium clever. 
Yeah, I mean, I mean first far 

1191
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,900
as trolling, I'll give that like
a 6.5, maybe rice, roll level 

1192
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,800
six point five. 
So we're like, okay, like so are

1193
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,600
we have? 
Of course, we have the lawyers 

1194
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,200
already. 
There's a policy for how we 

1195
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,900
treat minor public figures. 
Okay. 

1196
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,900
So if you're if you're like 
involuntary like voluntarily 

1197
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,800
famous it's a little bit 
different than voluntary famous 

1198
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,400
voluntarily famous voluntarily 
fam. 

1199
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,100
Yes, she went looking for that 
attention. 

1200
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,700
If you count her handlers, well 
we don't we won't go into that. 

1201
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,000
Yeah, I'm not saying she wasn't 
exploited by any means. 

1202
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,600
I'm confident, she was 
exploited. 

1203
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:10,100
I don't think she understands 
how it works. 

1204
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,200
Now, she does. 
Yeah, she's got to so like the 

1205
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,100
boy policies, like if you were 
talking about Justin Bieber, 

1206
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:18,900
when he was a teenager or 
someone either minor, you know 

1207
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:19,500
what? 
JoJo. 

1208
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,200
Cy is no. 
Okay, then we won't Jesus. 

1209
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,600
He's he's he's he's like a 
dancer who was on like Dance 

1210
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,900
Moms, dancing, mom's whatever. 
Okay, so like okay, you come on,

1211
00:52:26,908 --> 00:52:29,200
I'm okay with not knowing it and
people talking about things. 

1212
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,400
I regularly have no idea what 
people are talking about when it

1213
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,900
comes to this kind of stuff. 
Yeah. 

1214
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:37,000
So, she's mean, she's famous. 
She's cells like merchan, but 

1215
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,500
she wanted to do voluntarily 
famous voluntarily famous. 

1216
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:40,600
Okay. 
So these people are public 

1217
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,900
figures are minors, so you can't
attack a minor in call them 

1218
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,600
stupid. 
So claims of character like 

1219
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,800
stupid that like if you're 
Talking about a private 

1220
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,600
individual like someone's 
daughter. 

1221
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:53,500
Random girl. 
No, you can't do that. 

1222
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:56,100
But the only thing you can't 
talk about a minor public figure

1223
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,000
if you're about as like claims 
of sexual activity. 

1224
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,600
So you can't talk sexually about
a minor public figure. 

1225
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,100
This is so much. 
This is so many rules. 

1226
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:07,600
Yeah, the other thing is that I 
don't know if that's a, I don't 

1227
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,700
know if it's an indictment of 
the company having to create 

1228
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:14,600
these rules or that human beings
are just I mean my online 

1229
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,900
experience is that there's a lot
of vitriol and bile. 

1230
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:18,900
There's a lot of really awful 
people which is why the other 

1231
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,900
day I made a recommendation, I 
was like, I got I got badly 

1232
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:24,600
ratioed. 
I what the heck was? 

1233
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,000
I even talking about. 
Its it was so unimportant to me,

1234
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,700
I don't even know. 
I got over two million views. 

1235
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,100
Yeah, that's a long ways that 
mean, guys, I think I saw the 

1236
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:34,100
Tweet about the, yeah, but it 
was about white supremacy not 

1237
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,300
being the threat that people 
keep acting like this, which I 

1238
00:53:36,308 --> 00:53:38,200
will stand by my statement and 
that continues to be. 

1239
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,000
Not the case, it is not. 
Let's get into that a little 

1240
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,400
more because will I'll clarify 
something so long and short of 

1241
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,400
it is I make The claim white 
supremacy is not the threat 

1242
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,700
based on my professional 
experience of investigating 

1243
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,000
white supremacy for a number of 
years, which is take it or leave

1244
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,100
it. 
You don't have to agree with me.

1245
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:52,700
You don't have to believe me. 
I'm just telling you. 

1246
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:54,100
I have some credentials in that 
field. 

1247
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:55,800
Yeah. 
Having looked at it, I went 

1248
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,200
looking for actual white 
supremacist. 

1249
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
They're hard to find. 
They're not and what the bureau 

1250
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,900
calls or what federal law 
enforcement would refer to as 

1251
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:03,100
white supremacy. 
Not really there. 

1252
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,000
Yeah, two and a half million. 
People were very upset about my 

1253
00:54:06,008 --> 00:54:10,700
position on that and then I went
out and went to a thrift store 

1254
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:12,800
and hang out with my wife and I 
you know threw my kids around. 

1255
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:15,900
Round and we went to church and 
we had dinner and we had some 

1256
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:17,700
burgers. 
And then I came back and I was 

1257
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,300
fine. 
And that's that's the right 

1258
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:22,100
answer to most the stuff that 
this stuff is not real. 

1259
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,500
Yeah, it's there's a Korean of 
bile. 

1260
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:28,900
There's so much hatred. 
That that's why you have to 

1261
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:31,000
actually do this stuff. 
I guess if you're trying to 

1262
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,300
curate a family friend, really? 
Yeah, platform which Facebook 

1263
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:36,100
didn't used to be that. 
You remember what Facebook was 

1264
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,100
started us? 
You want the original face was 

1265
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,900
in high school, right? 
You said had 2 happen in like 

1266
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:44,500
2006, I think it's well that's 
right when I was getting off so 

1267
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:47,800
initially and I don't know if it
was in 2000 or when it started 

1268
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,100
much earlier than that. 
But essentially there used to be

1269
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,500
a thing called the Facebook that
you would get in certain 

1270
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,500
schools. 
It was like a hit list, I guess 

1271
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,300
for like dudes in college frat 
that I think it used to be to 

1272
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:59,400
connect them and then it became 
like a dating possibilities 

1273
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,100
thing, but it was just the 
pictures of the Freshman Class 

1274
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:04,900
their faces. 
The Facebook was a thing. 

1275
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,400
You would get from school. 
These are the new people in our 

1276
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,100
college and when you had the 
Facebook you could look through 

1277
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,400
and see oh you know like she's 
cute or like that's a 

1278
00:55:12,408 --> 00:55:13,600
good-looking guy. 
I want to meet him. 

1279
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,600
Whatever it was that's how 
people ended up using it and so 

1280
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,200
it was just an introduction to 
college classes. 

1281
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,200
The freshman class would have 
the Facebook and then everyone 

1282
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600
would know who was okay, that 
became a digital thing and used 

1283
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,300
to have a DOT edu email address.
When I first joined and you had 

1284
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:29,400
to actually be part of the 
school and then you could 

1285
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,800
connect School networks and 
people started connecting to 

1286
00:55:31,808 --> 00:55:33,600
their high school friends or 
they'd still stay in touch with 

1287
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,000
their high school friends. 
So you've got this all the lines

1288
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,400
drawn between the different 
colleges. 

1289
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:40,700
And at some point they let high 
school students on yeah, which 

1290
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:44,200
was probably when it became 
insane and then everybody was on

1291
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,500
this thing which is when I 
wanted to not be on it because I

1292
00:55:46,508 --> 00:55:47,700
hate doing what everyone's 
doing. 

1293
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:50,400
I'm a contrarian like that. 
Yeah but that was the original 

1294
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,100
idea was that they were 
connecting all these people. 

1295
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,800
Hmm. 
I don't think anybody could have

1296
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,200
fathomed that it was going to 
become the thing that it did. 

1297
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,300
Maybe they could have maybe they
were prophetically and it is, I 

1298
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:01,300
mean, I don't know, there's 
those theories about owe the 

1299
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:03,600
government planned the whole 
thing and like, there's a lot of

1300
00:56:03,607 --> 00:56:07,800
that I'm not going to go into 
the hot seat on that, but Yeah, 

1301
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,300
I mean the just to finish up 
real quick at the thought on 

1302
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,600
Gothenburg please. 
Yeah, I know we can, but I'm 

1303
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,800
glad you have that in your head 
to come back because I would 

1304
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,400
have completely moved on how 
tell you how dare you, how dare 

1305
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,900
you? 
So Grant, I'm okay, so she's 

1306
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:23,700
getting attacked, right? 
So she just confronted Trump at 

1307
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,700
the UN, okay? 
And she's getting attacked. 

1308
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,800
So she's being called, agree 
charted, retarded, which I could

1309
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,800
call the minor Justin Bieber, 
retarded. 

1310
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,900
I can call any other minor think
name, one called them recharge, 

1311
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:37,200
because I'm not making a claim 
about a sexual activity, but 

1312
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,700
face, Facebook in their ultimate
wisdom, decided to make a 

1313
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,600
newsworthy exception to 
disappear, you know, prohibit a 

1314
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,500
tax against, they basically band
the phrase, great charted, agree

1315
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,000
chart and they said, hey 
bursting and the thing for an 

1316
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,900
entire week of the opposite of a
newsworthy exception, isn't it? 

1317
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:59,000
It's not really new. 
It's like It's newsworthy 

1318
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,700
because you know they're saying 
I guess their justification is 

1319
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:05,800
oh, she's in the news now being 
attacked and we're making an 

1320
00:57:05,808 --> 00:57:08,000
exception to our own rules 
because why? 

1321
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,200
Because he's busy, because she's
Greta, I don't know. 

1322
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,900
Like because she has a favorable
political cause essentially was 

1323
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,600
we're seeing but, but the 
justification behind it's got to

1324
00:57:15,607 --> 00:57:19,700
be really bizarre because I 
could see you saying she's not 

1325
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:20,900
gonna see those. 
She's not gonna see those 

1326
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:22,200
comments. 
Yeah, I guess the words 

1327
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,800
newsworthy exception. 
Don't mean what we want them to 

1328
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,400
mean, you know what I'm saying? 
The news were the exception 

1329
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,000
would be like, normally we don't
say the names of these. 

1330
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:29,800
These things. 
But we're going to in this case 

1331
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,600
because it's we wouldn't 
normally say the name of a minor

1332
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,000
but this minor was involved in a
mass shooting and we want to 

1333
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
name and shame that person. 
So we're going to do that. 

1334
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:38,100
Yeah. 
But usually people tend to go 

1335
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,900
the opposite way with that like 
daily wire does. 

1336
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,300
Yeah. 
Say you know the we don't name 

1337
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:44,500
these people because we don't 
want to give them, you know, 

1338
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:46,500
anything famous normally would 
tell you if somebody was 

1339
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,200
involved in a crime but we don't
name Mass Shooters. 

1340
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,000
That's the newsworthy exception 
in the opposite I guess. 

1341
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:52,600
Anyways, yeah, it's just 
interesting. 

1342
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,200
It's just, it's just 
doublespeak. 

1343
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:56,700
It's classic leftism. 
Yeah, so it's like for an entire

1344
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:58,900
week like we most of us I was 
like out in the queue. 

1345
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:02,300
They did a proactive pool and 
they dropped, they just 

1346
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:03,800
basically looking for that 
hashtag. 

1347
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,100
Yep. 
And they fed into our cues. 

1348
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:07,100
So we're going to Tire week. 
Do we always deleted? 

1349
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:10,000
It was like people, attacking 
credit Sundberg weird. 

1350
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:12,200
So isn't that crazy how they can
control they can? 

1351
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,100
Prioritize? 
What we delete? 

1352
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:15,600
What and what they were dumping 
into the cues? 

1353
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,000
Yeah. 
So they had AI, that was 

1354
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,600
obviously, in the background 
searching through this, I'm 

1355
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,900
guessing. 
Yeah, mmm. 

1356
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,400
Was that, was that news to you? 
Did you not realize that there 

1357
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,500
was another layer of censorship 
that was happening? 

1358
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,700
So we kind of knew that the 
computer, we knew that we were 

1359
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:29,900
training, The AI. 
So we were training the AI was 

1360
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,000
something called continuous 
enforcement, okay? 

1361
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,100
So if you're on Facebook and you
want to be family-friendly, you 

1362
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,200
don't want to see like hey maybe
I don't want to see like bikini 

1363
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,200
pics or something like that or 
cleavage or where. 

1364
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,900
So we create something is we 
would we would have to in 

1365
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:46,200
addition to marking it deleting 
you're keeping it. 

1366
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,700
We would Mark stuff if we saw 
someone in a bikini or showing 

1367
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:54,000
cleavage or showing bulge or an 
erection, we would delete that 

1368
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:56,700
wonderful. 
So we had thank you for being 

1369
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:59,200
very medical about that. 
That's I wouldn't have 

1370
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,000
necessarily put those two 
together, but that is, I guess 

1371
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,300
the male version of that. 
Yeah. 

1372
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:06,400
And we use it was so weird. 
Like imagine a lawyer like 

1373
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,900
defined. 
See what cleavages like, that's 

1374
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:09,900
just weird. 
Yeah. 

1375
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:12,100
Anyways just like a depth 
discussion. 

1376
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,100
I'm like how? 
Yeah there's like it's like okay

1377
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,300
it was their shadowy one side or
that side is there. 

1378
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:20,300
It was just odd. 
So the cool thing about this 

1379
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:22,400
whole job was like the culture 
go. 

1380
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,700
So you're worried that you're 
there with her people in the 

1381
00:59:24,707 --> 00:59:27,100
early 20s. 
I high school and you're sitting

1382
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:29,900
there talking about like the the
weirdest thing in the world. 

1383
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,900
Why have to look at child porn? 
This occasionally, it's 

1384
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,700
horrible. 
But like you develop a certain 

1385
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:37,800
Bond? 
I'm sure you share with your 

1386
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,100
people and your friends Corky I 
yeah, when you're dealing with 

1387
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:43,800
this stuff that's traumatizing. 
We had to see we saw live 

1388
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
suicides. 
We saw the images on Instagram 

1389
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,100
where they're slitting their 
wrists. 

1390
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,800
We have to delete and send them,
you know information like a 

1391
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,500
hotline number. 
So you're reporting some things,

1392
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,000
the law enforcement and yeah and
we were sending CEI too long for

1393
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,000
us, we were reporting in a white
supremacist. 

1394
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:00,500
Most dangerous individuals 
terrorist organization. 

1395
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:03,200
Okay, so the policy for let me 
go into what we're talking about

1396
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:03,700
before. 
Yeah. 

1397
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:05,300
Let's at least some of this 
stuff. 

1398
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,900
Has some background where it 
could benefit Humanity? 

1399
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:09,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1400
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
I think all the training the AI 
to kill us all which it sounds 

1401
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,900
like you guys were also doing 
but yeah. 

1402
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,000
Okay. 
So what Supremacy specifically 

1403
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,100
it's hot button topic right now 
there's people talking about it 

1404
01:00:17,107 --> 01:00:20,300
all last week because Biden was 
saying this the big problem. 

1405
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:23,300
What's Facebook's take on it? 
You know during your time there?

1406
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,400
What was the evolving position 
looking like? 

1407
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,900
Yeah. 
So I was at Facebook when we had

1408
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:30,600
the Christ Church shooting And 
so in and New Zealand. 

1409
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,200
So that is he posts his 
Manifesto on Facebook? 

1410
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,300
Wasn't that where that went? 
I believe? 

1411
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:35,100
So. 
Okay. 

1412
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:37,200
All right. 
So he posted his Manifesto and 

1413
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,100
then he, yeah, he basically. 
Yeah. 

1414
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,100
So that's, we saw those attacks 
and like, here's the thing. 

1415
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,600
So dangerous individuals and 
organizations that policy 

1416
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,900
dangerous orgs we just we call 
dangerous shorts. 

1417
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,900
Yeah. 
So included like mass shootings.

1418
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:56,500
So we would clarify classify 
mass shootings and then we would

1419
01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:59,100
also classify Groups. 
Yep. 

1420
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:01,900
So we had a list, we literally 
had a list to look at PDF, we 

1421
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:04,800
I'm like, hey, is this person 
this in a white supremacist? 

1422
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,800
Or is this person on a terrorist
organization? 

1423
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,900
We'd pull the list from the 
Department of State and we look 

1424
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:13,100
okay. 
Is that symbol look like kinda? 

1425
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:13,900
I don't know. 
Is it? 

1426
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:14,800
So it's upside down. 
Okay. 

1427
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,200
So it's not like, I'd okay, 
we're good. 

1428
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,700
Okay. 
So you're literally trying to 

1429
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:21,600
compare against. 
Some government databases is 

1430
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,600
some that Facebook must have 
compiled because there's not a 

1431
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,500
list of white supremacist that 
I'm aware of, right? 

1432
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:27,800
So they made their own lists, 
but the FBI is really good. 

1433
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,900
Putting out symbols guides. 
Yeah. 

1434
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,500
You ever get one of those? 
We had symbols guy so maybe they

1435
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:35,200
use some stuff from the if I'm 
sure if they their unclassified 

1436
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,700
that's the other thing. 
A lot of those were meant for 

1437
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:39,200
law enforcement engagement but 
I've never I mean obviously you 

1438
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,400
weren't doing a law enforcement 
job but it was adjacent enjoy 

1439
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,400
and then they probably got some 
of it from Southern Poverty, 

1440
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,500
Law. 
Oh good. 

1441
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:50,800
Yeah, they're very reputable, 
everyone knows so well those 

1442
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,400
guys. 
Yeah, they hate the Catholic 

1443
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,300
Church to. 
So as they hate really, really, 

1444
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,400
yeah, they hate all churches. 
I'm pretty sure the, hey, How 

1445
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,300
dare you? 
How dare you? 

1446
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:01,100
How dare they? 
They hate God. 

1447
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,100
They want government to be God. 
So yeah. 

1448
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,500
So we had those those lists. 
So I looked through like, okay 

1449
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,000
and then at one point while I 
was there they're like you know 

1450
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,900
what these these Dwight I'm 
trying to remember the 

1451
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:14,600
terminology but basically they 
prioritized like there were, you

1452
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,400
know, there's obviously 
extremist groups of different 

1453
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:18,500
races. 
Sure. 

1454
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:21,300
But they prioritize white 
supremacy over other groups 

1455
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:24,000
course and the, the funniest 
thing too is I don't know. 

1456
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,600
I don't want this in my 
documentary when it comes out 

1457
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,700
for behind the mask of My book 
is like, where can people get 

1458
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:32,100
it? 
Just before I forget to talk. 

1459
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,300
It will take it again. 
Yeah. 

1460
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:36,100
So behind the mask of Facebook, 
it's on Amazon. 

1461
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,500
And it's with my co-author can't
hack and Lively who's written 

1462
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,300
with Judy make of its and Well 
published author. 

1463
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:45,300
Spell your last name so people 
can find it. 

1464
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:49,400
My last name is Hartwig haart wi
G. 

1465
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,500
It's only one I'll not the to 
like what's that other one is 

1466
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:56,500
that there's somebody that has 
two eyes and Hartwig every time 

1467
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:57,900
I see your name, I think you 
should be another time. 

1468
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:03,300
Yeah, so it's height:0 width:0. 
It's not hard. 

1469
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,800
It's like I have a heart but not
a wig but it's not the haart wi 

1470
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:08,600
G. 
Yeah. 

1471
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,200
On Amazon behind the mask of 
Facebook. 

1472
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,100
Yep. 
All right, so you're going to do

1473
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:14,900
you're going to and you've got a
bunch of footage that did not 

1474
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:18,100
get released by Veritas yes sir 
none of it's own animal with 

1475
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:21,300
very short, hot hits. 
Yeah, I mean how do you condense

1476
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:22,900
nine months? 
So I filled with the Han camp 

1477
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:24,200
for nine months. 
How do you convince nine months 

1478
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,700
of footage into like a 
10-minute? 

1479
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:28,900
Was this your they gave you the 
cameras or was Is your camera? 

1480
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,900
They supplied me this playing 
with the camera. 

1481
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,600
Okay, good deal. 
So they're just like, hey, go 

1482
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,800
film and then knock yourself 
out. 

1483
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,700
Yeah, knock yourself out. 
So I would film and I'd go home 

1484
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:42,100
at night and I transcribe. 
Yeah, what I filmed and so it's 

1485
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:45,400
a lot of work. 
He is, people have no idea what 

1486
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,200
kind of work that some of these 
people that have been exposing 

1487
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,300
things particularly on a 
corporate level. 

1488
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,400
What that looks like. 
It's that's I didn't know that. 

1489
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:55,400
Yeah, I didn't know that you 
were sitting there doing hand 

1490
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,600
transcriptions of all this stuff
or writing it all up. 

1491
01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,800
Yeah. 
That's totally wild and you're 

1492
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,200
doing it for nine months. 
And how did you know when you 

1493
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,100
were done or did they find you? 
So, because I actually like, I 

1494
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,300
remember like the, here's the 
funny thing. 

1495
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:10,000
So folks, the reason why I 
wanted Ryan to come on, his 

1496
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,200
story was released right in the 
middle of the covid shutdowns. 

1497
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,400
And everybody got lost in the 
hysteria of what was happening 

1498
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,300
in this country for lockdowns 
and you know, government 

1499
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:20,500
censorship was considered. 
Okay? 

1500
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:23,100
We all knew it was wrong. 
People were like yelling about 

1501
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,200
other things. 
This was all happening in real 

1502
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,800
time and then a bunch of news 
stories got lost, including 

1503
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,800
Young people like Aaron 
Stevenson who you? 

1504
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,900
And I both know, and I've had on
our show before their stories 

1505
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:35,700
disappeared, even though in many
ways, they were really, really 

1506
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:37,000
wild things happening. 
Yeah. 

1507
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:39,500
They were just happening in a 
time when something so wild was 

1508
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,800
happening that we've never done 
it before, they shut down our 

1509
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:42,900
economy. 
Yeah. 

1510
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,500
And so your I think in some 
ways, your story got lost in the

1511
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,800
noise. 
Yeah. 

1512
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,100
Yeah. 
The little signal, got a little 

1513
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:49,100
bit distorted. 
Yeah. 

1514
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:52,100
So like, like, I went so I 
filmed pretty sure sale early, 

1515
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:57,400
like, fall of 2019 and of early 
February, 20, 20, and so the 

1516
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,700
crazy Is my, the contract ended.
So I would have kept on filming 

1517
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:04,700
but the contract ended Congress 
intended. 

1518
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:07,300
The contract prematurely God is 
so we all got laid off in 

1519
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:09,700
February of 2020, right before 
covid. 

1520
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,900
And then I fill my interview 
with with project. 

1521
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:16,700
Veritas I thought in New York, 
right? 

1522
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:20,400
After that, in March of 2020. 
And so obviously with the timing

1523
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,900
that we didn't release it, then 
we release it in June, right? 

1524
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:25,800
But yeah, how do you you have 
all this footage and you're 

1525
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,800
like, okay, what do you know, 
how do you, what do you do? 

1526
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,600
Do with all of it, but usually 
how many hours of footage you 

1527
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,600
think you have? 
I mean so I would say for so 

1528
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,900
three or four months I filmed 
almost daily but not like the 

1529
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:40,200
entire day, right? 
Sometimes. 

1530
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,300
So I probably have at least as 
extra like 20 to 30 hours of 

1531
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:49,700
footage that's a lot. 
Yeah and you might yeah yeah 

1532
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:51,800
that's intense. 
So you got to watch all that. 

1533
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,700
You got to break it down, you 
got to break it down into ten 

1534
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,500
seconds or 20 seconds. 
The things that are valuable 

1535
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:57,800
that to hit into a documentary. 
Yeah. 

1536
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,700
That's, that's pending though. 
People can see some of the stuff

1537
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:03,600
behind the mask, which I think 
will be eye-opening. 

1538
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,300
And then they can also obviously
see that the For You released 

1539
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:08,300
with Veritas. 
Yeah, they can go find this, 

1540
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:10,300
although still on YouTube or 
they get censored, they're still

1541
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:12,100
on YouTube. 
So it's got another. 

1542
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Another Facebook Insider is the 
title of the video project 

1543
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Veritas and of course, it got 
stifled by YouTube. 

1544
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,900
When I went out, of course, and 
that was before telegram before,

1545
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:22,900
you know, very proud of your 
tiles and Telegram. 

1546
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,100
And so, I did. 
I've done like, over and 

1547
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:27,600
probably 200 interviews since 
then in the last three years. 

1548
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:29,100
Lot of which were Spanish 
language. 

1549
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:32,700
Spanish language did a lot in 
South America. 

1550
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:35,400
Brazil actually, not in 
Portuguese, I speak some 

1551
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,500
Portuguese and I've done some. 
What? 

1552
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:40,800
I was throwing that out there. 
Yeah, humble brag. 

1553
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:44,400
Oh yeah, by the way, I'm 
trilingual, and this is some 

1554
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,800
people know this. 
You may not know me, but I'm 

1555
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,200
kind of a big deal. 
That's right. 

1556
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,300
Exactly. 
Correct. 

1557
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,300
And you had your Facebook 
account seized because of all 

1558
01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:54,300
this stuff too. 
So your sensor, your your out. 

1559
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:55,900
Yeah. 
My Instagram got deleted. 

1560
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:57,800
It 4K my Twitter still. 
Got ya. 

1561
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:02,000
So you were basically doing a 
whistleblower activity about 

1562
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,500
censorship and then became the 
victim of censorship. 

1563
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,600
There's some irony in that. 
Yeah, they probably don't 

1564
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,100
appreciate. 
I mean, the funny thing is like 

1565
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:11,500
Facebook didn't respond publicly
to the story because they 

1566
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:13,400
probably knew like they 
responded to just make it a 

1567
01:07:13,408 --> 01:07:14,600
bigger story. 
Yes. 

1568
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:17,000
I want to give any hair to these
stories, right? 

1569
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,000
And you think about scandals 
with Facebook. 

1570
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,600
Okay. 
Everyone knows about camera 

1571
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,500
General etiqa right? 
Yes. 

1572
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:23,500
Right Steve. 
I mean. 

1573
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,500
Okay, what was that? 
Okay? 

1574
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:28,500
Yeah, people doing what was? 
A big Scandal. 

1575
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:30,800
I mean people were yeah, 
Facebook's always been selling 

1576
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,100
your data and it was used by a 
political party to yep. 

1577
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:35,700
Targeted marketing. 
That's what they do. 

1578
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:37,400
In the mouth, literally their 
business model and less. 

1579
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,800
I understand it differently. 
Yeah. 

1580
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,000
So the scope of this week now 
people say okay Ryan you just 

1581
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,500
gave a few examples like that's 
not a lot like okay I think of 

1582
01:07:45,508 --> 01:07:48,200
the scale. 
Alright, 1500 moderators here, 

1583
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:51,700
there's probably what 20 to 
30,000, moderators across the 

1584
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:54,100
u.s. who are moderate and 
content multiple sites. 

1585
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,800
Multiple sites. 
Each of those individuals whose 

1586
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,700
moderating is About 200 pieces 
of content a day. 

1587
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,900
So x times twenty thousand 
thirty two hundred times. 

1588
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:04,700
Let's just say 200 times twenty 
thousand. 

1589
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,400
Wow, that's what formula, 40 
million 4 million. 

1590
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,700
I don't know the math but that's
a lot of pieces of content and 

1591
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,200
F. 
And if let's say, let's say, 20%

1592
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,500
of that is political content. 
Then what are you doing? 

1593
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:18,700
You're influencing elections and
worldwide. 

1594
01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:21,899
And so I talked about the man 
that much about, I talk about 

1595
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:25,899
that in my book about how 
Facebook is influencing 

1596
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:28,300
elections globally. 
And you, otherwise, It wasn't 

1597
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:30,600
blowers have come forward. 
So if he's saying was a software

1598
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,000
engineer data scientist for 
Facebook, she's like, hey 

1599
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:36,800
dictators in South America are 
using bots on Facebook to 

1600
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,399
influence public opinion. 
This Guy's real, this is so it 

1601
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,100
goes from innocuous things like,
you know, get the D out of your 

1602
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:44,800
mouth. 
You're talking about Donald 

1603
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,399
Trump. 
And should we be talking about 

1604
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,800
this or not? 
Is this sexually explicit to 

1605
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,500
despots and tyrants saying? 
I'm going to be able to use this

1606
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,600
this tool? 
And I'm going to use it to 

1607
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,300
influence the elections in my 
space because it could be 

1608
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:02,000
micro-targeted to my country, 
right? 

1609
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,500
Yeah. 
And and and one of the reasons 

1610
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:05,200
why you and I are set in the 
same room right now is because 

1611
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,600
we're all part of this program. 
This progress what he called 

1612
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,399
project that's going talking 
about the the sort of pending 

1613
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,500
police state in the United 
States and whether we are 

1614
01:09:14,508 --> 01:09:16,500
teetering on the brink of it or 
whether we've already fallen 

1615
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:21,100
over the edge and the way that 
the police state we had this 

1616
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:22,200
conversation over dinner last 
night. 

1617
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,600
I'll preview to it right now. 
Things like the Bi things like 

1618
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,000
Facebook censorship. 
Those are all weapons. 

1619
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,300
And weapons are not inherently 
evil. 

1620
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,600
Yeah. 
Right or their tools, even more 

1621
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,000
accurately. 
But a tool becomes very evil 

1622
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,899
when you take a chainsaw that 
you could use to take down a 

1623
01:09:38,899 --> 01:09:41,600
tree and clear a road. 
That would be good. 

1624
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,200
Yeah. 
Or you could take a chainsaw 

1625
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,000
into a middle school and start 
hacking people to death and if 

1626
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,500
you are going to use the tool in
a way, that is dangerous 

1627
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:55,600
destructive antisocial Etc, then
that's the real scary part and 

1628
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,600
that's what you you guys were 
helping train these these Ai. 

1629
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:01,300
And now it's being turned 
against as an actual weapon for 

1630
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:02,800
politicization in the same way. 
We see. 

1631
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:04,500
ER federal government going 
right? 

1632
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:07,100
Know exactly. 
And in the context of you know, 

1633
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:11,100
soviet-style censorship, you 
think about the so many 

1634
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:16,200
Bolshevik Revolution and you 
think about Lenin and destroying

1635
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,100
the political party opposing 
political party and you're 

1636
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:21,900
using, you know? 
Basically, it's one of the 

1637
01:10:21,907 --> 01:10:26,000
Lennon's, big things was Mass 
public education and so like, 

1638
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,500
how do you do ma'am? 
And if Lenny would love this 

1639
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:31,600
level Only Love Facebook because
I think all the tyrants would 

1640
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,400
love it. 
It's not, it was Available to 

1641
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,500
them, to be able to reach 
directly into people's, you 

1642
01:10:36,508 --> 01:10:38,400
know, eyeball is right in front 
of your eyes. 

1643
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,800
Yeah, and it's the things that 
you are. 

1644
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:41,600
You think you're finding them on
your own? 

1645
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,500
That's what's really wild. 
You're curating it but it's 

1646
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:48,100
already been curated for you and
that's why it that's almost like

1647
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:50,300
Inception. 
Yeah, the movies talk about how 

1648
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:52,000
you have an idea, they got a 
plant, an idea. 

1649
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,900
If you haven't seen Inception, 
go see it such a really good. 

1650
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,900
But if you haven't seen the 
movie Inception, the concept 

1651
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:59,400
being that that you believe 
something that someone else gave

1652
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,000
you an idea to believe, and so 
they have to cede it. 

1653
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:05,400
That's what Inception is and 
that's what we're talking about.

1654
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,800
Yeah, they are, they're actually
doing Inception. 

1655
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:09,900
Yeah, yeah. 
They're planning. 

1656
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:12,500
Those ideas and I there's a, you
know, dr. 

1657
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:16,100
Robert Epstein is a research and
he's worked close to cloak 

1658
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:19,900
closely with Zach Voorhees the 
Google whistleblower and I've 

1659
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:21,700
talked to dr. 
Epstein and dr. 

1660
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:24,200
Epstein is a leftists. 
Like he's a classical liberal, 

1661
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,300
so many of these people and 
yeah, I don't even know if he's 

1662
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:27,500
a leftist. 
That makes them kind of. 

1663
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:30,100
He's also left. 
Alright, he's left Lee. 

1664
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,200
Yeah, he's definitely not a 
Republican. 

1665
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,100
And he's exposed how Google does
these ephemeral searches. 

1666
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,600
So like it doesn't leave an 
imprint. 

1667
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,900
So if you search something at 
suggest it then it you know 

1668
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:44,300
these the imprint on you suggest
something to you and plants that

1669
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,500
seed but there's no trace of 
that ever happening. 

1670
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:49,300
Like there's no they don't 
document it, it's not documented

1671
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:50,200
anywhere. 
Okay. 

1672
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,300
It's all this Emeril ephemeral. 
Yeah. 

1673
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:53,900
Ephemeral searches. 
Okay. 

1674
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,100
That leaves a impression without
ever a mark of of it. 

1675
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,600
Yeah, so he would be able 
there's no recommend research, 

1676
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,400
have as researchers tracked 
those and see Other influencing 

1677
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,900
elections. 
So, yeah. 

1678
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:07,600
And this is it really is like 
out of a movie like where it's 

1679
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,900
just like this insane technology
that's being used just like all 

1680
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:16,600
the despots and tear in it you 
know dictators use but it's so 

1681
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,300
much more sophisticated than 
just leafleting people or 

1682
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,100
putting up banners everywhere. 
Yeah. 

1683
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,800
Right. 
I mean it's just like you say, 

1684
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,500
this is the wet dream of those, 
who imposed the tyrannical 

1685
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:31,800
regimes of the 20th century. 
Yep, it's 21st second 21st 

1686
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,300
century. 
Balaji doing it. 

1687
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,300
And we're not hip to it yet in 
the same way that people weren't

1688
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:39,000
hip to like, you know, a false 
story in the New York Times. 

1689
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,600
That was a, you know, puff piece
on behalf of a government. 

1690
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,900
Now, if you put out a New York 
Times puff piece, or you try to 

1691
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:45,900
take out a hit on Steve Fred and
say that his character is 

1692
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,400
garbage people go, like it's the
New York Times their trash. 

1693
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,400
You can't believe anything that 
the the right. 

1694
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,700
Yeah. 
People still trust things that 

1695
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:55,000
are online. 
They do as long as it agrees 

1696
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,700
with their basic sets about, I 
guess, because we Anna. 

1697
01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:01,100
I mean, that's the thing about 
like, Echo Chambers to like 

1698
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:04,800
online and that's What one of my
super, my supervisor at work at 

1699
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,100
Facebook was like yeah. 
We try to like isolate people 

1700
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,300
into like separate kind of well,
I guess essentially Echo 

1701
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:14,600
Chambers right. 
Silos silos, which is not really

1702
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,200
a good thing necessarily but it 
may reduce like a kind of 

1703
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,500
tension between groups. 
But you're getting you're 

1704
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:23,600
talking about, they're trying to
make political Echo Chambers for

1705
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,600
people at work. 
Well, I guess as far as the echo

1706
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,500
chamber is go, I want to say, 
Yeah. 

1707
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,200
The the information that they 
have inside of that is not very 

1708
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,300
substantive so I won't really go
into that much but I like being 

1709
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:43,100
fair, the fact that they 
discussed the theory or 

1710
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:45,100
mentioned like the my supervisor
brought it up. 

1711
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:48,100
It was going to be interesting 
that they would be faced with 

1712
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:50,300
even think about that. 
Like why why do you even care? 

1713
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:53,500
If where people are interacting 
with people like just it's the 

1714
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:56,300
free should be a free-for-all if
you like what someone says been 

1715
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:58,300
blocked that person that's a 
great. 

1716
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:02,600
So Kind of where we are, but 
yeah, 100 years ago and you know

1717
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,700
Russia, you know, the opposition
would, you know, to humiliate 

1718
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,400
someone, they take him to trial 
and take that whole political 

1719
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,600
prior to trial to destroy that 
brand. 

1720
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:14,500
So now Facebook is being used by
the government to destroy the 

1721
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:19,300
brand of what is our brand? 
People who believe in the people

1722
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:20,500
who believe? 
I tend to believe this 

1723
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:21,200
experience. 
Yeah. 

1724
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,500
People who believe that there 
is, in fact, a God, I think 

1725
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:27,100
that's the biggest danger for 
the leftist movement. 

1726
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,400
That's they're going after their
political opponents, which is 

1727
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,300
the further on the right. 
That's people who believe that 

1728
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:33,300
there's a capital G and God and 
they want to replace it with a 

1729
01:14:33,308 --> 01:14:35,600
capital G and government. 
Yeah. 

1730
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,300
Does that sit? 
I think, that's right. 

1731
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:38,300
I think, that's right. 
I think, they're trying to 

1732
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:42,200
destroy that brand and anything 
that they can do to destroy that

1733
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,300
brand, they'll, you know, 
they're using these tools or 

1734
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,500
weaponizing them. 
And so, we're learning 

1735
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:51,800
everything new things every week
about how the FBI weaponized it.

1736
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,200
And I don't think it's people 
like, oh, it's the FBI doing. 

1737
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,000
Yeah, the FBI is involved. 
And the government is corrupt 

1738
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,100
and the courts are not trying to
fix section 230. 

1739
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:03,600
I work with Jason Fick with the 
social media, Freedom 

1740
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,300
Foundation, I'll have him on at 
some point to. 

1741
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:08,100
Yep. 
And, you know, he, he went to, 

1742
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,600
he's been trying to go to court 
for a while he sued Facebook, 

1743
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,000
because they took down his page 
with no reasons for no reason. 

1744
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:15,800
Now, he's suing the government 
itself. 

1745
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,900
Because if you look at like why 
this is all happening like the 

1746
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:21,900
government, the laws have been 
misinterpreted? 

1747
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,800
Yes, the section 230. 
Protections, were misinterpreted

1748
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,900
giving Facebook more protection 
than they should and Justin 

1749
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:30,300
Kevin on, in a similar type 
ruling just a few months. 

1750
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,200
Ago basically said we don't want
to disrupt the status quo. 

1751
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:36,300
Yeah. 
Like okay, what's your job then 

1752
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:37,600
you're supposed to interpret the
law to fix. 

1753
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,300
I don't right there is no status
quo all. 

1754
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:40,500
It's either right? 
Or it's wrong. 

1755
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:41,900
We all have that. 
That's the conservative 

1756
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:43,200
position. 
Essentially, that there is a 

1757
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,400
right and a wrong and that may 
be, the difference is that a 

1758
01:15:45,407 --> 01:15:48,400
leftist position? 
Is this sort of like, Like 

1759
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,000
operational morality. 
Yeah, like it's okay only 

1760
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,500
because it's been going on and 
things are not in chaos, but 

1761
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:56,100
that doesn't make it right. 
I think that's why they were so 

1762
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:57,800
reticent to go after things like
row. 

1763
01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:00,100
They didn't want to even take on
the case because it would have 

1764
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:03,200
disrupted the status quo. 
Yeah, just because it was 

1765
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:04,500
happening, doesn't mean it was 
okay. 

1766
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:05,800
It doesn't mean it was good. 
Yeah. 

1767
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,100
Interestingly enough. 
I talked to Jason 50 other day 

1768
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:11,600
on a Twitter space and he and he
texts me every once in a while, 

1769
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,600
he's a wild do to talk to you. 
Like you have to rate him and he

1770
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,900
knows so much. 
Yeah about 2:30, but I guess 

1771
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:22,900
this case failed to be picked up
by the the writ of certiorari to

1772
01:16:22,900 --> 01:16:24,400
go to the Supreme Court. 
Yeah. 

1773
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,400
And then because the actions 
taken, he has new cases that are

1774
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,300
being filed. 
The dude is a warrior in this 

1775
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:32,800
space like in the lawfare space,
he just does not give up. 

1776
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,600
So God bless the pit bulls that 
are out there. 

1777
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:36,500
Yeah, there's so many fights 
folks. 

1778
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:38,400
I think this is one of the 
things that we can all walk away

1779
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,400
with. 
It doesn't matter if it's 

1780
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,600
Facebook, what doesn't matter if
it's the FBI, it doesn't matter 

1781
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,300
if it's Google. 
It doesn't matter if it's the 

1782
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:46,400
rest of the federal government. 
The failure of our court system.

1783
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,800
Pick one fight that you're good 
at that, you are passionate 

1784
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,700
about. 
You have one thing that your, 

1785
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:55,600
your kind of honed in on and 
that's all we have bandwidth as 

1786
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,700
human beings. 
We don't have a I like 

1787
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:01,500
capabilities so you can only do 
if you spread your attention. 

1788
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:03,600
So, broadly, you'll basically do
nothing. 

1789
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,400
I think that's what I think it's
what they want. 

1790
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,700
They being people that want the 
status quo, they want you to be 

1791
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:11,400
outraged about everything and do
something about nothing. 

1792
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,000
Yeah, right. 
If you spend all your time, 

1793
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,400
knowing all the little bits that
you could be outraged about, Be 

1794
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,700
unsuccessful in doing anything 
about the one thing that you 

1795
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:21,000
might be able to do some? 
Yeah, you gotta pick your 

1796
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,300
battles in that. 
Let's let's be honest like 

1797
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:27,000
what's, you know it's it's 
almost you know I sometimes I'm 

1798
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,900
a little bit pessimistic because
there's so much to do. 

1799
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,500
That's right. 
And I don't know, are we at the 

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01:17:32,500 --> 01:17:34,900
point where we got to keep 
fighting, no matter what? 

1801
01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:38,100
But yeah, be smart and strategic
about what your battles are and,

1802
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:42,800
you know, raise your family 
crazy, you know, have a 

1803
01:17:42,808 --> 01:17:45,700
religious beliefs that then that
is the victory honest to God. 

1804
01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:46,800
We out breed them. 
Number one. 

1805
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,700
One them being whoever doesn't 
believe the way you do and then 

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01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:51,700
thinks this country is, you 
know, trash and needs to be 

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01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:54,100
reformed dramatically because 
this was a pretty good place to 

1808
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,200
grow up for me. 
Yeah, I'm guessing you 

1809
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,600
experience the same thing in 
Arizona. 

1810
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,100
Yeah, 30 years ago was a good 
spot to be too. 

1811
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:01,900
It's good to see. 
I was a good spot to be and I 

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01:18:01,907 --> 01:18:03,700
think yeah. 
Just ask. 

1813
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,400
Yeah, just just go to England 
and you know, they the over the 

1814
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,300
breeding and migration does 
work. 

1815
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:11,500
So it does the yeah. 
They can overrun us and 

1816
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,400
Arizona's actually, one of the 
places we've probably seen some 

1817
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,100
of that stuff. 
So that's kind of yeah. 

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01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:20,300
And I think overall, I think, 
Just as a last note here is my 

1819
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,200
my book talks about a lot of 
different things and we would 

1820
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:28,500
talk about immigration as well, 
but, you know, I think I'm going

1821
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:31,000
kind of going off topic here. 
But as far as immigration goes, 

1822
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,800
I think, I think so, you know, 
would you rather had I think as 

1823
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,800
far as people immigrating into 
our country, like from the 

1824
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,800
southern border, most of them 
tend to be Catholic religious. 

1825
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,400
So right, if I'm going to have 
people in by my country who are 

1826
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,800
Catholic religious or people who
are not, I would rather prefer. 

1827
01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:48,700
I don't think it goes the way 
they think it goes. 

1828
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:50,500
I think when you keep bringing 
in people that are other what 

1829
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:52,700
you know, that are basically 
Christian and or specifically 

1830
01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:55,300
Catholic, yeah, you're going to 
get Catholics in this country. 

1831
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,400
There's already a lot of them. 
It doesn't go. 

1832
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:00,200
That doesn't eventually end up 
in the left, particularly with 

1833
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,400
the way that the left is 
fighting against the things that

1834
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,000
are fundamentally important. 
They used to have sort of an 

1835
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,600
agnostic position about abortion
and, you know, she's safe legal 

1836
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,600
and rare and all that nonsense. 
They've given that up now. 

1837
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,500
It's a Sacrament, yeah, and sort
of. 

1838
01:19:12,500 --> 01:19:14,500
And so now you re basically 
choosing, whether if you're 

1839
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:16,200
going to be a religious person, 
you don't have a choice but to 

1840
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,700
vote Center. 
Right. 

1841
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:21,100
There's only one party in town 
that's covering that and for all

1842
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:22,600
their faults, which are 
significant. 

1843
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:23,700
Yeah. 
That's kind of fun. 

1844
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,900
All right, I want to be 
respectful of your time. 

1845
01:19:25,900 --> 01:19:27,800
I know you've got some of the 
things you got to go do, he's 

1846
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,700
going to have some time folks, 
you can also see Ryan soon in 

1847
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:33,900
and out upcoming documentary of 
which Steve friend will also be 

1848
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:35,200
joining. 
And I will be part of it as 

1849
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,000
well. 
On a panel discussions with a 

1850
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,100
covering all the different sort 
of topics. 

1851
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:41,400
You can get a smattering of 
those and how they move towards 

1852
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:42,700
a police state. 
I think we're all fighting our 

1853
01:19:42,700 --> 01:19:45,900
own battles within that to try 
to stop that and we're all going

1854
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:47,600
to be part of it till people. 
Where they could follow you on 

1855
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,400
different socials? 
I know you have a d boosted, 

1856
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,000
Twitter. 
I will boost the your tag and I 

1857
01:19:52,008 --> 01:19:54,700
will see you can find it on my 
Twitter, but tell them your 

1858
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:56,800
handles. 
So you my websites just Ryan 

1859
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,000
Hart week, dot org. 
Suddenly my name.org haart wi G,

1860
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,700
I'm primarily on Gap right now. 
Yeah. 

1861
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:08,200
Just real, a real Reinhardt wig.
So that's my primary social 

1862
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,500
media. 
Twitter is Hartwig underscore 

1863
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:13,400
free so, but, yeah, check me out
yet. 

1864
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:14,800
Check me out on line, the social
media. 

1865
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,800
If you want to copy my sign 
book, let me know, shoot me. 

1866
01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:19,700
Email just Ryan Hartwig at 
proton mail.com. 

1867
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
Awesome. 
You think protonmail is good. 

1868
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,300
Is it secure? 
I'd say it's a lot better than 

1869
01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:27,200
Gmail. 
Yeah. 

1870
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,500
I'd say I need to get off Gmail 
and I keep thinking that I'm too

1871
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:32,200
lazy to get off. 
Probably like, all of you, are, 

1872
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:34,200
we all should be asking yourself
DPN. 

1873
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,300
Yeah, there's it. 
That's the way to go. 

1874
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,500
I try to use a VPN. 
Where do you say, you are? 

1875
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:41,200
Do you try to put yourself in 
somewhere else? 

1876
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:43,600
I do. 
So, I use sure surf shark and 

1877
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,900
it's like surf shark. 
It's a cheap. 

1878
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,100
I usually just put it in where I
am most of the time, unless I'm 

1879
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:53,000
doing less than trying to be 
really see, really a secret. 

1880
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,600
I want to be in the Owens just 
Brian why? 

1881
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,500
I've got your pay to ask you a 
question for a friend yams. 

1882
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:02,400
Do you know what would happen 
for somebody who's married to an

1883
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,900
FBI whistleblower has a Facebook
account and sends a private 

1884
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:11,300
message to somebody from Mom's 
for Liberty saying, I'm a wife 

1885
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:13,900
of a FBI whistleblower, thank 
you very much. 

1886
01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:17,100
And then 30 minutes later had 
her account indefinitely 

1887
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,000
suspended for violating 
Community standards. 

1888
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,800
Wow, DM censorship. 
What do you think private 

1889
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,700
message? 
We know that we know that face. 

1890
01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:28,100
Slides into your DMs like that. 
They used to line their dreams 

1891
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:32,400
and actually I met this guy, 
you're going to get going pretty

1892
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,000
soon, but we, I met this guy. 
I met this guy and the fish, 

1893
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:39,300
Arizona State Fairgrounds who 
was doing security, mmm, and he 

1894
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:43,400
worked for Facebook, corporate 
like the, with the head honchos.

1895
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:49,100
And yeah, and so he knows that 
there's at the top level, he and

1896
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:52,900
other people could go into 
anybody's DMS for like long, you

1897
01:21:52,900 --> 01:21:54,800
know, suppose. 
The law enforcement purposes. 

1898
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,800
We're not going loss for words. 
Just I'm checking they can go 

1899
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:01,500
into your DMs so the yeah that's
that's pretty that's it's 

1900
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:06,800
interesting situation where you 
get the wife of an FBI that guy 

1901
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,400
so she wanted to she deemed. 
Okay. 

1902
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,100
Wow. 
And then she got our account 

1903
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,500
suspended. 
Why is that wouldn't surprise 

1904
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:15,500
you though? 
Don't it doesn't surprise me. 

1905
01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:19,000
So folks that you're on, yeah, 
ongoing this is the ongoing 

1906
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,800
Crusade of the Kyle Serafin. 
Show. 

1907
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,700
Put your conversations in places
where they are. 

1908
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,400
Encrypted end-to-end. 
That's why protonmail is your 

1909
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,000
better bet than Gmail? 
That's why any end-to-end 

1910
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,900
encrypted. 
I I use signal generally 

1911
01:22:31,900 --> 01:22:34,500
speaking but there are others. 
There are things like session. 

1912
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,500
There are things like wicker me 
which is owned by Amazon cloud 

1913
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:39,600
services, which makes me think 
they're probably compromise, but

1914
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,200
I can't say they are. 
If you can protect your data in 

1915
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,600
motion, you should protect your 
data because otherwise you don't

1916
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,900
know who else is reading them. 
And you don't know who else is 

1917
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:53,600
making decisions based on what 
your ability to communicate. 

1918
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,200
It is going to look like, and 
and those are out there, whether

1919
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,700
you're using plain SMS, 
actually, iMessage is supposed 

1920
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:01,000
to be encrypted, I just know 
that that I don't necessarily 

1921
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,200
trust Apple, persuade WhatsApp 
is compromised, actually, it's 

1922
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,000
encrypted. 
I mean, I think they can read 

1923
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,400
it. 
That's that's been the case for 

1924
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,300
a little bit, too. 
Yeah. 

1925
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,300
So, anyway, do do some of your 
own research. 

1926
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:12,200
I hate the, do your research, 
but that is important that you 

1927
01:23:12,208 --> 01:23:14,000
guys, you have to be responsible
for your own data. 

1928
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,900
Think it's a pretty decent place
to stop about it. 

1929
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:17,900
And one of those things you have
to be responsible, if is your 

1930
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:22,500
Facebook usage, Greta Van Berg, 
or otherwise Ryan buddy. 

1931
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,900
Thanks for joining me. 
Tag you in this. 

1932
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,000
I hope we get to see you again. 
Soon if I'm in Mesa will go 

1933
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
shoot some guns. 
That will happen. 

1934
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,700
Sounds good. 
All right, folks. 

1935
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:36,100
Thanks so much for joining us 
for the cows are for show and we

1936
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:38,300
will close this thing out with 
me and Steve live. 

1937
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,600
You have been listening to the 
Kyle serif and show. 

1938
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:43,900
We really appreciate you 
listening all the way through 

1939
01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:46,200
these long interviews that we do
on Mondays. 

1940
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,200
Hopefully you get some great 
value out of them and you can 

1941
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,900
leave us a five star review on 
Apple. 

1942
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,800
We're always on Apple. 
Defy iHeartRadio you name it, if

1943
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,300
you don't find it there you can 
let me know. 

1944
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:00,800
And I will actually make sure we
get on to your podcast app. 

1945
01:24:01,100 --> 01:24:05,300
You can also talk to your Amazon
sponsored spyware and just say, 

1946
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:09,100
Alexa play, the Kyle Serafin 
show and we will pop up there. 

1947
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,000
If you do leave one of the five 
star reviews on Apple. 

1948
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,200
You can do. 
So with the hopes that you will 

1949
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,400
end up on the show, like, Andrea
from Michigan, who wrote Above 

1950
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,200
the Rest. 
Kyle parenthetically and fill 

1951
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:24,000
your podcasts are super 
interesting and informative But 

1952
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,900
most importantly you're making 
profoundly impactful information

1953
01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:30,600
available to the public. 
Now, we just need to get the 

1954
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,300
rest of the population to stop 
with the willful blindness and 

1955
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,800
admit that much of the 
government really isn't looking 

1956
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,000
out for their best interest. 
With the utmost respect us as 

1957
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,500
spendable, sister from the 
Behavioral, Healthcare realm, 

1958
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:45,400
Andrea, Freedom lover, thanks 
Andrea, very kind words. 

1959
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,200
We will do our best to continue 
doing those. 

1960
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,600
Like I said folks, you can leave
a review at the Apple link. 

1961
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:51,900
The it is in the show 
descriptions. 

1962
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:53,600
If you watch us on Rumble, you 
can find it there as well. 

1963
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:58,800
And we are at 479 we're going to
try to punch over the top of 500

1964
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,000
by the end of this month. 
And now that means that you've 

1965
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,000
got to go and click on those 
links and leave us. 

1966
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,400
One of those five star reviews, 
you can actually review every 

1967
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,400
single episode. 
So if there's one that really 

1968
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,500
touches your fancy, please do it
on those, we are appreciative, 

1969
01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:13,800
we look forward to seeing you 
live for a long form live show 

1970
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,500
with Steve friend. 
Probably on Wednesday. 

1971
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:20,600
We're going to go kidnap the the
Concierge Lounge up top at this 

1972
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,200
Marriott and we'll talk to you 
then you guys can bring your 

1973
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:24,500
questions. 
Ian's, send them to me on 

1974
01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:27,300
Twitter and on true social at 
Kyle Serafin. 

1975
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:30,700
Follow Steve at real Steve 
friend and we'll talk to you 

1976
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:35,400
again soon. 
Thanks for listening to the Kyle

1977
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,800
Serafin. 
Show be sure to follow him on 

1978
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,600
Twitter and Truth at Kyle's 
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