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Kyle syrup. Hello, my friends.
Welcome to the Kyle. Serif and show its Monday.
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Steve, thanks for joining me, buddy.
Thank you very much. Good to be here.
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Hart week was a author and he was a Facebook whistleblower
with project. Veritas he wrote the book behind
the mask of Facebook you can find that on Amazon and the link
is in our show descriptions. So, enjoy the interview there,
you'll hear some of Steve's piping in on the side and the
background and we'll catch you at the end of it as well.
So, I have a special guest with me.
We are live on location right now at the in the woodlands.
In Houston, Texas. As I told you, we're going to be
on the road. I've actually got Steve
producing and running the board. So if anything goes wrong, it's
100% his fault. But we're not gonna hold him
accountable because he's new to all this stuff.
And my guest today is Ryan Hartwig.
He and I met at am fast which was a festival that happened in
Phoenix. I was on stage with a lot of
project Veritas whistleblowers. We got a few minutes to connect.
We kind of exchange information but Ryan and I didn't really
spend any time talking actually. I think he connected with my
wife and she was like, he's got a new baby, he's a really nice
guy. His story I think is gonna be
very interesting to you. I have A bunch of questions
about it and I deliberately told him.
Don't tell me the things. I don't know yet because I
actually want to know what they are, and I'm going to share it
with you all. So Ryan, thanks for joining me,
thanks for being on the show. Yeah, let's let's start very,
very simply first of all. Where did you grow up?
Where are you from? Kind of, what's your backstory,
how in the world did you end up at Facebook, where you decided
to blow the whistle? Yeah, so yeah.
So, thanks for having me on Kyle and it's a pleasure.
So, I grew up in Mesa Arizona. Okay.
And I grew up there. Yep.
And I The high school graduate high school was planning on
becoming a pharmacist. It's been a couple years.
You're going to be a pharmacist. Yeah that was my plan initially
speaking with Farms you got exactly.
Yeah. Now here I'm exposing another
probably one of the worst other big evils Facebook but yeah.
So then I kind of saw like you know, I went to college for
that. I took a brief Hiatus for a
couple years, I spent some time volunteering for a Christian
nonprofit and in Mexico, City and teaching People about
religion and Jesus and so I did that for a couple years came
back took forever to finish. My bachelor's degree.
This happens Majors a couple times finally ended up with a
degree in Spanish. Okay?
So that's kind of where, you know, I've always been involved
in like acting. I feel like I've been involved
in activism like pro-life groups in college and I've always been
interested in politics. But how I got a Facebook was
kind of weird. So like so 2015, I graduated
from college after like 10 years after you beat me I didn't fuck.
Which was still kind of a shock to me.
I was like, what am I doing here?
Like, why am I still here? I had to be intense.
Yeah, no it's like pushing Arizona.
It's always nice out. There's always something better
to do than go to class or do any work there.
You could always be doing something else.
Yeah, College. I don't know man.
Because you debatable whether colleges even the worth worth
worth your time and effort to begin with 100%, but yeah.
So I was like, Super. Super senior.
Yes, I graduate calls. Mike.
Okay, I pick you. I've got some jobs like
low-hanging fruit. I worked for I work for the
Vanguard group actually interesting.
And that's in the news now that everyone's like, BlackRock
Vanguard evil I'm like, okay looks to be the place where you
could put your money and get a guaranteed return and you didn't
have to worry about it. I knew a lot of people that had
Vanguard accounts. Yeah.
In the early 2000s and they were kind of on the edge of I guess
they were there. Probably already well
established but I knew people that was like the safe bet.
You just kind of tossed your money there.
Yeah, and it's sucking is so good.
I mean, as far as Investments go, I think they're so smart.
I worked there for nine months, processing checks as a
contractor. Sure.
So, I would see these accounts where, you know, in the people
that kept their money in after the recession, like, they still
there. Still there making good money
like they came back for them. I don't know how it is now, but
yes, we're good there first. And then, I worked for, I can
call centers a little bit. So, prior right, prior to
getting the job working for Facebook, I was working
security. I was working security, at least
furniture store. And these guys came in the store
and I'm like, hey, what do you guys do?
Like, oh, we can't tell you who we work for.
I'm like, okay, what do you do? If he's like, oh, we review
stuff online for big social media website and like, okay?
Where's that is 30? It's across the street.
I'm like, okay, I'll apply. So, I applied and I got this job
as a, bilingual social media content moderator that.
So one of the things that I always was kind of curious about
because you kind of seem like a tech type guy, you kind of,
maybe it's just the glasses, maybe you just Adopted the
visual of it. Yeah, but my Curious, my
curiosity was always, you know? What was your specific
background? And that explains exactly what
the story is. So you speak, Spanish fluently,
write read, write speak yet and you and you have a
Spanish-speaking wife. Yeah, we're not to get too
detailed about that will keep your privacy and your family,
thanks. But being able to do that was
the door in and in a lot of ways, that's how people get
hired in the government to. I don't know if you know that,
but there's a lot of government jobs where being bilingual is
the qualification. In fact, I think that's a
qualification The sun, right? Steve, you could be a if you if
you speak Spanish you could be hired by the FBI specifically on
a language track. Yeah.
You have to pass a series of tests but it's not to be able to
prove your competency and the language yet especially in
Spanish, that makes sense. But anyway, so that makes a lot
of sense. So there are opportunities and
that was one of the opportunities you capitalized
on. So you go in, what was the
application looking like? What were they?
Why were they so secretive? Do you know?
Yes. So, I mean there's ND a so like
when I applied initially, they didn't tell me who it was.
What company was, but they say, It's a big social media website
company. So I wear prepare for the
interview I actually looked up. It's funny.
I looked up. I think I think the FBI has a
list of like internet, acronyms. Okay, like OMG is the most
simple one of course, but there's like some really weird
acronyms so like I've studied for the interview and they
actually did a cognitive test where they had you took take an
exam like a mini sat okay kind of and then they had, then they
did a joint interview where they said, hey, you're going to be
reviewing graphic content. I think you some samples of what
you would see, like, You know, anime porn early hentai were
just like, yeah, gross stuff. And they're like, oh, you are
you okay with that? Well, I'm like, is there any way
to avoid seeing that stuff is like now you can't skip it.
You have to. So that was the interview
process and it was we were he was with cognizant.
So Congress is was the third party company, huge technology
company that had this contract with Facebook so that was the
kind of the onboarding process but it was all, it was funny
because it's all young people. Like, I was, I don't think I was
like, see, I was in my late 20s, early.
Yeah. Late 20s.
And I was like the oldest person there, right?
Is know what feels like? Yeah, I did that in basic
training, so I guess that's kind of interesting to note that the
business model. Particularly in this case, the
censorship is not done directly by Facebook.
It was actually done by this third party.
A lot of the intelligence Community outsources, some of
their dirty work, which is not necessarily dirty, it just turns
out to be dirty. It doesn't have to be dirty,
right? Like that getting rid of hen
tape hunt. I porn getting Of child
pornography images, getting rid of explicit content that are not
appropriate for the type of venue that actually makes sense.
That's kind of why they have the ability to do that.
They can, if they want to keep their brand a, certain way they
can get rid of some of this stuff.
Obviously, it didn't stay that way.
Yeah. But that was the original pitch
that it was like, look, you're going to be the guy that filters
the garbage so that other people don't see it in their feed if
they have a mom's group or something.
Yeah, it makes sense is like, you know, no one wants to be on
online or on Facebook, you know, and see the Out of nowhere.
Just another scroll for drug, worker, something and then they
get some horrible, like cartoon porn, right?
So I have seen some of that pop up in the world, and it's
bizarre. I don't know why people get into
that, but to each their own, it's yeah, there.
And I learned too much. I wait, I learned way too much
more about that stuff than I wanted to know about, like
furries and and then correct doesn't called crushing, which
is horrible shooting. Crushing is yeah.
Heavy heavy people getting on top of others that were
crushing. Well, I think the 11 snare, Like
basically, torturing animals. So, women wearing high heels,
killing animals. Basically God.
Yes, I do women. Woods like stomp on guys.
I know some guys are into that sort of thing.
I have a weird experience with that, my partner, my roommate,
when I was in college, I'm not a college in the at the FBI
Academy actually used to do child pornography what they call
the innocent image project. So he would filter that he was
at an analyst at did all that work.
And he's like the most Mel. He's a lot like you, he's super
mellow. He's a really really nice guy.
He's the last person. In the world that would ever go
looking for anything like that. Yeah, he's very wholesome human
being and then that was his gig you know eight to ten hours a
day was just going through the worst of the worst and you can
imagine the FBI goes looking for it.
It's not like we're it's accidental contact.
Although I'm sure there's plenty of it but it seems like some
people who have a good religious background who have a really
good firm. Faith tend to be the people that
can handle this sort of thing. I don't know if it's just
because, you know, your imbued with strength because it needs
to be done, but somebody's got to make sure that's mud stays Of
regular people's feet because most people can't handle this
stuff. Yeah, no.
And I on in, I dealt with that stuff.
So CEI is child expletive imagery.
So that came into our cues occasionally.
Luckily I didn't see Rowan come across that very often.
Okay, I talked to some of my co-workers who came across it a
little more often but like it was kind of a mixed Q.
So the with that, I don't have that made it worse or not
because like you know what a minimum when I'm looking at it
and it's a post one of the time so I get it one thing at a time
on my screen. Hmm.
So I want to now I'm seeing this This this funny meme about the
Boston Marathon bombing or maybe an appropriate mean like that, I
might delete. And then the next moment I click
through to hit delete and then the next moment.
Boom. You know, CEI child porn pops up
on your screen so like I don't know there's no prep for.
Yeah, there's no prep for it's not like you're going to be.
Yeah, it's kind of a shock. So we, you know, we had
counselors on site that's something that talked about, in
my, my book behind the mask of Facebook is, you know, our
counselors I'll In credit where credit's due?
I really can't see any time they're on site.
I could talk to him. We had a counseling line but
unfortunately I just think that most you know early 20 euros
aren't ready for that kind of stuff.
Now there's a certain maturity you have to have to be able to
process to even know that you need to talk to somebody about
something. Yeah.
Right. I mean that's why I think that's
why a lot of cops that start very young.
Have some issues when they see certain things in the streets
because they don't they haven't built up the mechanism to
handle. It's why I got young guys who go
to war. Come back and they're really
troubled, you know. They signed up with one idea.
It turns out to look very differently when they're in the
field. They actually see with the, you
know, the evil of war, the evil of what human beings can do.
And then your and then where are you?
You're a person that hasn't been able to develop with what is
normal. That becomes part of your
normal. I'm sure, that's probably pretty
crushing. So you were in some ways.
You're probably lucky that. You spent five years extra in
college or six years next year in college.
I feel like there is a plan for a lot of this stuff that we
don't understand it. So well after yeah so
interestingly enough you your people I think would probably
I'd be very interested and they can find more about this in your
book, obviously, about how it looked, what it looked like on a
day-to-day basis. Yes, they can find out about
what your what the censorship mechanism looks like,
mechanically, right? And there's there's different
mechanisms of you. So like the funny thing is like,
you know, you three people like okay, yeah, I want to keep the
internet clean which earlier, you know, Facebook clean.
So, as a brand, yeah, Facebook's no predict start particular
image, but they've gone so far beyond that and it's kind of
hilarious because you know what, you right after I started
working like the month after I started Working March of 2018
Zuckerberg testified in Congress.
So he's essentially my boss. I mean and he he he testified
and I'll just read my notes Here by on.
He said this is Larry, especially what we do with what
we know now about. Okay.
So it's a the time frame again this is this is April of 2018
okay? So think about that time.
As far as look at this is you know as far as we know about
Trump's term. Yeah, this is in the All of the
Russia Russia. Russia hoax everyone's freaking
out. Hmm.
We've got we now have a lot more information since the Durham
reports been released. So we kind of know that was all
ginned up which many of us knew for a long time was but so be
it, but it's now now. Now MSNBC has to actually
acknowledge it kind of thing. Yeah.
And he's testifying in front of Congress.
You know, what's committee? He was in front of, because I
know you brought. No.
So, I'm folks, he's gonna be referring to notes because Ryan
is a technically accurate kind of guy.
He's not a fly by the seat of his pants, kind of person.
The way that I am. Many of you will see that I just
Winged It. It, in fact take an interesting
aside since Steve sitting here, before we started taping, this
is Steve and I were talking about half the time we get these
interview questions and somebody says something like, you know,
here's this thing. What do you think?
And while they're asking the question will actively be, like
I have no idea what I'm going to say with no idea, but the visual
that I have in my brain, you know, when Magneto, this is the,
the villain from the, from the X-Men movies, he's walking into
like a dark room or an abyss or this big open space and as he
walks down, Got like metal. That's like assembling a bridge
in front of him in real time. That's how my words come
together. I have no idea where this bridge
is gonna go. Who's, there's no way to guess
what its gonna do, speaking of notes in preparation.
So you were just on the team pool show and I was on Tempo
show in October of 2020 and it's funny because I, I studied like
all down the plane ride over there, my notes.
And I showed up in this at his studio and I plopped in my notes
on the desk in front of me and he's like oh you don't need this
and I'm like okay so my so I put it away and I had I studied
enough to do well and and mention everything but some
people have that more of like audio memory.
I more of like the visual. Yeah.
Britain. Okay so we're going to we're
going to Bali. Sorry.
That was a my bike at chasing brain squirrel.
We're exactly correct. So we've got Zuckerberg 2018.
April of 2018 sitting in front of Congress.
Yeah. All right, then you're going to
refer some notes about? Yeah, April 2018.
So he testified, he said, one of my greatest regrets and running
the company is that we were slow and identifying the Russian
Operations in 2016. So he's referencing the 2016
election, right? And that's something that is.
My co-workers told me is like, like one of them went to the
headquarters Ireland. The like, oh yeah, you know, the
reason why they're bringing all the jobs.
After tinsel, we started in 2012.
Our company get a contract in 2017, so they're like, oh yeah,
one of the reasons I brought all the workers to the US for
Content. Moderation, because overseas is
because of the Russian influence in the 2016 election.
Got it, which we No was not nearly what they said.
Were you following the Twitter files at all?
When they were being released? I was following a lot of them.
A lot of them is yeah. And I haven't so obviously
Twitter different company and and different mechanism, but
similar culture, I think in a lot of ways, the big Tech
culture is, you know, whether you're talking about Apple or
Google or Facebook, that sort of, Silicon Valley groups.
Yeah, they, we've got to assume that they were all doing some
sort of version of what they were doing on the Twitter files
that Taibbi and shellenberger and you know, the rest of them
exposed I don't believe anybody's name out Lee Fang and
Who else was there? Barry Weiss?
Am I missing anybody? Steve's Steve's, think, if we
think of them won't will mention, we want to give credit,
where it's due. Taibbi, shellenberger said,
yeah? Okay, in any case.
So these journalists were exposing it and obviously we
hadn't seen the Facebook, PPC ad.
So in light of that this is somewhat comical.
Yeah. That they were basically
bringing all the and it had to be more expensive to, to bring
them to the US. So yeah, it's very expensive and
I mean the contract that Facebook had with cognizant was
a three-year Million dollar contract.
Okay. And so, and we had about at our
site in Phoenix, we had about, I'd say, upwards of, we rapidly
hire people, but be about 1,500 people, okay?
And then, you know, Congress Zuckerberg is mentioned.
He's the spend about 10 billion dollars a year on content
moderation. So that, yeah, that's a lot of
money and a lot of money. Yeah.
And and there's no I guess the marketability is that you keep
your product from being degraded, but it's not like that
something that you would need and you can Monetize.
In fact, it's your throttling, something that might be
monetized in some ways. Right?
Right wild. Okay.
So he was concerned about that. What were the guidelines that
you were getting? Did they, you know?
Obviously they must have changed at some point.
We went from, you're looking for hentai porn and crushing animals
to death, which sounds horrific by the way.
Yeah, but it obviously she started.
There's Mission creep like so many other places where people
start going like well if we're dealing with this somehow you
end up with memes that are you know that are going to To be
favorable to Donald Trump or I can just imagine you go.
You know how weird it must have been my brother sent me this me
one time. It's the Twin Towers.
Yeah. Right.
And this is when there's the the smoke coming out of the the
building. So one of them you know it's the
first Tower that's hit there's smoke coming out of it and
someone has done like a tint to the smoke and it's pink.
Okay. And the caption was these gender
reveal parties are really getting out of hand.
So that, which would ya know, be seen as this meeting with you in
a second. But yeah.
So that's the mean, right? So, two towers, pink smoke.
Yep. This gentle.
Sure. That's, that's actually it's
funny, but it's dark and I and then it's he sent it to me, and
it was, it was 20 year. It was in 2021, probably.
Yeah. So it's 20 years post 9/11,
which some people never got over 9/11 and some people forgot
about it immediately. And there are people that are,
you know, earning a living right now that that might be watching
our show, and, and they weren't even born when Happen or they
certainly don't remember it cognitively, but he sent it to
me. And then he wrote to me
afterwards too. Soon, question mark, which every
level of that is dark and screwed up this house.
That's not the kind of family members.
I have Smart weird. Quirky kind of dialed in yeah,
too soon. So okay, so you will analyze a
meanwhile, is immune to that pops up.
That was their job. So imagine imagine your job is
your lucky. I felt like I was a paralegal.
Imagine you like, you're an attorney and they already wrote
this their policy, they are, they different policy.
Manuel's, like, throw over 30,000 words.
We're okay. I look at the moment I think,
okay, this because in the fall under maybe a couple of
policies. So the main policy would be
cruel and insensitive, okay? And insensitive, so under that
policy, there's different numbers.
So I have to justify my decision on each meme that I delete,
okay, and you're going to rank this on a scale?
Essentially, I'm going to either decide to.
So with this one, there's I can mark it, I can mark it as cruel
and insensitive, that'll kind of limit the reach, okay?
Or I can delete it completely or can leave it.
Okay, so on this room and say, okay, you're looking at an event
from 20 years ago and you're mocking people who died.
Yes. We know people died during 9/11,
right? And so, if, if I can, if I can
see the people in the imagery of the meme, if you had like a
beep, if you photoshopped in one of the people who actually died.
Okay? Then that changes things.
That means I would normally to delete it completely.
Okay? Or, but if I'm just, if I'm just
referencing it, like with words, then, We could just Mark in
limit the reach how how limited would that go?
Like what is the mechanism that would that would stifle it?
Is it just to your ear immediate circle?
Is it that people that had to go do they have to search for it?
So that that one we didn't control, I didn't see the
metrics and how they how they limited it.
You can just mark it that way because that's what that
Facebook told us to do. Okay, so yeah, I'm not sure on
the details of that but yet, but if it was a, you see, if the
thing of the funny thing is like, so there's a rapper named
temptation. Murdered in Florida.
Okay, xx and my refuge in the, right?
Yeah, it was there's a rapper. Maybe they may be looking to see
if Steve knows about rappers in Florida.
He lives in Florida from earlier with hip hop community, so I
could be wrong with the name guys, correct me.
But there was a rapper who got murdered in his car and there
are memes about it. Okay?
And it turns out this guy was had a criminal record, okay.
And there's a little caveat with them.
Policy saying we allow the meme if they're criminal.
Oh good. Yeah.
So Kobe Bryant you can make me
meet you couldn't. Make means about his helicopter
crash because he was not a criminal even though he was
well, we won't go into that. That's another tangent noted.
But but but yeah, if they're convicted criminal, then you can
make fun of them. So that it was, that's the
coolant sense of policy. So that's an example of how we
would really analyze the, the memes.
So there's protocol means well, go ahead, Steve not just limited
to memes. What if somebody put up a post?
Like, I just Said a dark joke in text form it applies to that as
well. It's supposed to text will not
just not just imagery. So, so image, you can be imagery
or wording. That's mocking Live Events.
So, if I said, hey, you know, the Boston Marathon bombing was
really. I had a trying to think of some
like, play. A way of words, you know.
I got a joke for you, okay? All right.
Very dark joke. But what's the only part of the
vegetable that you can eat? The wheelchair.
We basically what's the only way, say it again?
What's the only part of a vegetable that you can eat the
wheelchair? Okay.
So, all right here. So as an example, That's making
fun or being cruel or insensitive towards people who
are handicapped. Yeah.
Mentally handicapped, whatever you want to call it there
sitting in a wheelchair vegetative state.
So what does that look like on a censorship level, is that going
to be reach limited or do you? So the, to be honest I did this
change out of curiosity. Yes.
The most of all is is didn't have that limiting reach option
to Mark as okay. That was more of like that, we
did that for Professor Emerging Markets, sensitive or markers
cruel. So if there was imagery of like
a child birth, for example, That showed a female genitalia.
Got it. We would mark it as sensitive so
you people could still have you but there's have to click
through. Okay, so I hate that by the way,
I just like I don't know, I'm a grown-up.
I'm yeah, nobody likes to click through laughter like and it
always makes you want to click through it more because you're
like, oh my gosh they're not going to show it wasn't.
Was that ever discussed out of curiosity?
Because I feel like if you put something as marked as sensitive
and you blurt out to me, I'm going to find out what it is.
And usually I'm disappointed that it's not that interesting.
Usually, it's some lame mean that somebody pushed through
that. That I don't even you know I'm
like what kind of a what kind of a wimp was marking this to be
sensitive like how gentle of would your feelings have to be
and I imagine that must have changed but do they actually
ever discuss the fact that when you try to put a blur a
sensitive content warning that it actually boost the signal we
didn't? So we didn't I didn't have
discussions about that maybe and the higher level but I did have
a discussion with Mike manager with for congressman who he
interface with Facebook a lot. Okay, we talked about Boogaloo.
Is Boogaloo was trending that phrase and then we talked about
cops attacks on cops. So one thing that did change
during that time frame, is that, you know.
Okay, here's another thing. Let's let's imagine, I mean,
we're just a photo, let's say I put the photo on Facebook and it
says, it has a picture of a cop. So I take a picture of a cop on
the street. Okay.
And I say that cop is a pig. Got it.
Okay, so now this is a private individual, yep?
Right. And so, you're calling this
private individual a pig. So, if I take a picture of a
civilian, I post a picture of this Random person.
This person is a pig that falls under the bullying policy
comparison to animal. So bullying policy comparison to
animal. Yeah this is definitely written
by lawyers. Yeah.
Okay so yeah and then I think there's a lot behind this
curtain that people have no idea on how minut but that makes
sense. Lawyers have to get down to the
granular detail, so yeah, that checks okay, bullying comparison
to animal but cops have a special category so they change
it. So when I first started in 2018,
We would delete it because you know, cops are still proud of
that person. So private individual.
Yes. But then, you know, Facebook
changed the rules and they said you know we're going to make an
exception and the just face to the.
We're going to say that's that's allowed now to attack cops and
call them pigs Leslie. So and the justification for
that was because of how the term is used in the marketers.
Some, some bullshit justification.
So that's one of the many examples where they, I saw this
trend and that's when I Arted like documenting, like, I'd been
there about a year. Let's see, March 23 March 2018.
I reached out to project Veritas in May of 2020.
No, I'm sorry. Sorry may have 2019.
May have 2019. Okay.
And so I do, notice notice the strands or, you know, there's
political content they want to look for the word Boogaloo or
the what that is? I know what it is.
I'm pretty confident Steve does as well, but share people like,
not everybody is paying attention all this stuff and
there's so much. There's so many triggering.
Ideas to leftist because they want to censor speech.
I guess that things that make know different like Tumblr.
Google is so Boogaloo is like so I mean the original word I think
is this if you look it up on Urban Dictionary which Boogaloo
is kind of like a dance but boo in the modern sense, the world
is different, meetings is like refers to Civil War.
That was that was my understanding of it.
So the hashtag Boogaloo would you see a lot of people with
these Hawaiian tea Shirts who like the Boogaloo, boys, who
would basically advocating for the second minute advocating for
that's kind of sort of a generally anti-government type
position. Yeah, so the name actually comes
the way that they did. It was the Boogaloo boys.
They took the name from a 70s movie called Electric Boogaloo
to okay. Is that?
No? It was called something Electric
Slide. I think the Boogaloo, the
Electric Boogaloo, some of the effect.
I'm going to have to get this right, folks.
It's corrected, the comments. I know you guys are watching on
the Chad, make it happen. The it was a 70s movie.
It was about a dance party and that basically became the idea
of the Boogaloo, the big Boogaloo was like, the dance
that we would do, which was the Civil War.
So you're 100% correct as far as the reference, but it's a movie
reference initially and it was a dance.
Okay. And then these guys kind of
adopted it and then they would start talking around it and then
they knew they were getting censored.
So they're using other things like things that sounded like
Boogaloo like the big Eskimo or the big Igloo, rather so
Boogaloo, big Igloo, my buddy will always ask me.
These questions, because he's a, he's an FBI agent, and he's a
troll. Like, he's my favorite kind of
person. So, he's always like a man.
Like, when the igloo kicks off, are we going to know where we
going? Like you come here, like we go
on there. So there's a whole culture built
up of kind of talk around the censorship.
Yeah, at a lot is because they knew that those things have
trended had had been trending, and then they had been censored
actively. They knew that they weren't
getting the reach they were previously.
Mmm, so the hashtag Boogaloo. So the Boogaloo boys, who are by
All rights? I don't know if they're idiots
or not. I like to me, they kind Just
seemed dim? Yeah, they're Hawaiian shirt
wearing with tactical gear. All that seems silly, that's
cosplay stuff, but it was making people upset also and that
became a caucus and write about it.
So, like my supervisor knew that I was conservative, his name was
Sean Browder like I, you know, eventually end up filling him
with a hidden camera and he's didn't like that.
What was, what are his politics different than yours?
Whatever. He was, he was very leftist.
Okay, well I guess he was a Bernie supporter so that's left
is as far as I guess, and So, I brought it up to me, he's like,
hey, I'm seeing this trend of like, they're talking about
Boogaloo and Civil War he and he's like, oh, you know, this is
really good. Like Facebook is really
interested Keen to know what's going on, what's trending with
that. So why, you know, why this Keen
interest in politics? Why the hell do you care?
If you're okay, as long as you keep the porn off your site like
why do you care? And so we had other explicit
instructions, I have screenshots where they're saying, we need
urgent visibility into the democratic debate.
Mike. Okay.
Why do you care about politics so much or they're Ukraine
whistleblower? What's gosh, what's his name?
The guy who caused the impeachment of Eric charmella
cerebellar Eric chair Marella not to be confused with a donut
eating venneman who more than happy.
I think Steve would love to challenge him to a foot race.
I'll get into a head-butting competition whatever, not a big
fan of that guy but the the so-called whistleblower who was
upset about a phone call that needed to To be pushed and
Amplified. Yeah, mmm.
So if you're now, if you're OK, if you're a republican, you want
to do a talking point, you're going to mention his name,
right? Because the left didn't want his
name to mention my mentions, right?
Well, guess who didn't also want his face mean, he did.
Guess you knew that I wasn't sorry guys.
Little bit tired because it's rustic here.
He told me he had five hours of sleep and he was like, I'm sure
that's your normal and I was like tragically enough.
That is my normal, I functional five hours, Whatever.
Whenever you guys see me, it's because I've been had five hours
of sleep. I think I had a date last night
so I feel like Superhero. Wow, that's impressive.
I could slow down. I actually get faster.
The more tired I get. So, so, guess who did guess who
else did not want C? RL is named.
I mentioned. That's look right?
So Facebook and I riskily this because I saw his name being
mentioned and I'm like, so they asked you to tag post with his
name. Yeah.
They'd know, they told us to delete any mention of his name.
Whoa. And I raise up on my, why are we
doing this like, oh, it's sort of this policy and recording
harm. I'm like, but it doesn't.
What are the policy called they were initially?
Coordinating coordinating harm, coordinating harm.
The coordinator mean that covers a lot of.
Well, this is a doxxing and Auntie doxing type thing or so.
That's, that's the thing. So, initially, it's weird
because initially, they're like, oh, delete it under privacy
because he's like, law enforcement.
I'm going, no, he's not a law enforcement, so they change
their like, okay, let's change it to just this generic
coordinating harm. So if they don't, if there's not
a bucket coordinator under that is like election, fraud doc
document think would be under coordinator.
Yeah, I could see docs or a Ling coordinating her also is like
violence or, you know, if you're hacking or some calling for
cyber attacks or yes, still. So they put on the genetic
policy in the frontal areas. Thing is, you know, who also
looks like Eric's Camera. Well, I guess Alex Soros does.
Well, do I raises them? Hey, we're doing this guy under.
They think he's Alex. They think certain well is Alex
Soros. And so I had have these pictures
of people like she looked this is our extramural do.
He's the Ukraine? Or he's trying to gigs are
people that are putting together their own research, which is
garbage. Yeah.
So, conservatives are posting, like Haley.
This is, this is extra Marella and they post picture box or
something. Like, I told my supervisor
shine. I'm like, Sean.
Like that's not see Romero. That's Soros.
Do we still delete it? Yes, delete it because they've
named thank you, sir. Marella so no mention of him at
all. That's just so crazy that they
would just totally. So, and that means they were
legitimately and that was the same things.
We heard Adam Schiff saying, nobody can mention his name They
were trying, they were yelling out in the middle of hearings
and stopping people from finishing sentences.
They thought was going to say his name.
He turned into Voldemort for some reason where you couldn't
mention his name is too fearful and then Facebook is marching
out the same exact orders. 100 percent Democrat, Ron talking
points and agenda. Yeah.
Okay. So at that point are you
recording? Are you doing the videos or
that? Is that what drove me there?
That was probably one of those that was it 2018, wasn't it?
Yeah. So at that point I wasn't I
wasn't recording. So a lot of of this stuff like I
had the we have our internal Facebook workplace that look
kind of like Facebook that we had that we use to court
communicate so when I started filming has only slack or
something else it was their own like internal thing.
It never is called Facebook, workplace got it.
Yeah, so yeah. So I started when I started
filming in like 20 night scene you know, summer 2019 and
heavily in that fall. Then I went back and document
all these conversations and instructions.
Oh, another fun to is to continue working there when
First started, we were like, you know, we were working and then
they're like, oh, by the way to continue working, you guys need
to link your personal fake Facebook account at work.
Like you have to login and Link it and they're like, yes, with
the rationale was, they go, we don't want you.
Accidentally deleting your friends, comments and posts.
I'm like, what are the odds out of the all the internet posts in
the world that I'm going to run across?
Like, my friends Millions per day of things that are uploaded,
but you're going to have to accidentally, have some conflict
of Interest situation is so it's astronomically low and they have
to know that. So this was a control mechanism
to be able to monitor what you're about.
Yeah, and some people were like, I don't have a Facebook account
there. Call you have to create one
then. I like that, I would do that too
Kyle Kyle, the legend. So, one of the funny stories I
hadn't been on Facebook in a very long time.
I had one when I was in college, I want to say and I always hated
social media. Unfortunately, it's part of my
life now. So those of you who follow me on
social media, you know, Sy do so reluctantly one of the big big
Things that happen when I joined the bureau, I had no faith.
I had no social media. I actually turned it off before
I joined the military knowing that I would have certain types
of trainings, possibly sensitive work, the possibility, that
existed, it was very fun. When I went to see her school
and they couldn't find a Facebook page on me.
I guess they weren't very good researchers, so they got
nothing, but when I joined the FBI, the last thing that
happened, I was slowly winnowing my circle down a friend's, you
know, you have your friends a circle and I got down to about
under 100. I had 94 something and then my
last message was like, you guys. Guys all know who I am everyone
on this thing that's you know, still on my friend list have my
phone number so I'm done with this.
I'm going to delete it so I did, I deleted the Facebook page and
the last thing that I saw come through, there was my younger
brother who was a total turd and he said, in honor of Kyle
leaving Facebook, I'm going to launch a fan page known as The
Legend of Kyle seraphin. But when you did but it was a
closed page, it had to be like one of my friends.
He invited people to from that Circle of 90 something.
And then he spent all of his not very much time at all.
He did these face of what he called.
Photo. Shoppings of me, you know, I'd
be at like, a shooting range. I have a pistol and I'd be out
shooting and then you would Photoshop me like, in the middle
of a rainforest, shooting app and on the face and then
underneath it would say like, endangered species my ass and
like, other look stupid idiot. You know, it's like, it's like
SEAL Team. Six listens to me.
I'm like, you know, standing here like this at a wedding and
he like photoshops me on the deck of a carrier with like, an
And fibulas assault, team coming up behind me and I'm wearing
like, wedding clothes, just stupid.
There was one of them me Swinging on a jungle Vine in
Hawaii and like a pair of shorts and like a wife beater and and
he photoshops me hanging off a Blackhawk like, going through an
explosion. It's just, it was done.
It was the dumbest and was very obviously, really badly
Photoshop pixelation, you know? No Shadow matching nothing.
It was just all trash. So he puts this up, he did that
in 2000, I don't know, six, something like that.
I joined the bureau, in 2016, 10 years later, I have no
recollection of this. It's my first day on the squad.
They pulled up that thing and they're like, so you got
something to say to us the legend?
That was, like, why do you guys keep calling me the legend?
That's really weird. And they're like whatever you
say, Legend, you know, and I'm walking around as I can.
Someone please explain this to me, this is a weird inside joke
and it's not funny to me, so I can't even.
I'm not even salted. I'm just confused and the guys
go. Your Facebook page.
I don't have a Facebook page. Not go.
Yes you do. Didn't this you I look at it and
I was like son of a bitch call my brother up my first On the
job in, in Washington DC. And I'm like, dude, are you
serious? And he's like, man, I don't
remember that thing. I gotta go figure out why the
login for it. Yeah.
So, you know, that would be kind of fun if you had a legend is
forever. It is forever.
So they're linking you in this. Sorry.
I'm like I said, ye some queso so for it's just to recap.
So you know that's that's hilarious.
That's a that goes though, right?
It's the other thing because they're going to go back all the
way to your first post back maybe when you were in college
ten years ago, when you link your personal profile and
they're going to see your brother calling you the Legend
and uploading pictures you that are photoshopped.
When it wasn't as serious, when we didn't know that.
I was going to be part of your job applications, because people
are now getting their inner, you know, their social media
researched. Yep, people are making hiring
decisions based on what you did 10 years ago on a Facebook
account when you're in high school?
Yeah. For sure.
I mean, that's definitely happening.
Yeah. So they, so, for me to continue
working there, that was probably an in 2000 early 2019, we had to
link our personal Facebook account, so this is 1500 people
working for a third party contractor, right?
We're doing the content moderation for Facebook.
And we have to, we have to log in our personal Facebook
account. So I did if they were smart they
would have, you know, caught me that, you know, I was I was
filming that point. But, you know, it's funny
because they, you know, whistleblowers like us.
You know, they there's a certain type like religious people tend
to be whistleblowers. That's true.
I think there's three buckets. Tell me.
You can think of three categories of was closed off the
top of your head. Maybe we can put this together
really well. Religious.
And then the ones, those are ideological base.
They find a personal. Offense in the thing that
they're being asked to do so they have a moral problem.
They're being asked to do something they think is either
illegal immoral or unethical and they come forward, right?
That's there. That's a religious bucket,
right? Right.
And that's where you were, that's that's where I was.
Yeah, there's another bucket that everyone always gets
misconstrued with. I know.
Steve friend has been called this thing.
I know I have been called that. I imagine they probably said the
same thing about you, a malcontent.
Somebody who was a disgruntled employee.
Do I know you're not a legit whistleblower, because you were
just having a bad time at your job.
I said, well, I was having a bad.
I love my job because they asked me to do something.
That was morally a, it was morally, you know?
Reprehensible. Yeah.
And I didn't want to participate in that and that makes you have
a bad time, your job. Yeah.
So I think those are two distinct buckets.
There are some people that are just and then the third is like,
they're a really bad employee and they've done something that
was sort of, they're incapable of doing the job and then they
have to defend themselves. So they make an eeo complaint or
they make a whistle blowing complaint, trying to save their
own skin because they know they're on the chopping block
from doing their job poorly, those seem to be the three, so
religious malcontent and saving their own skin.
It seems to be is that kind of makes sense to you?
Yeah don't make sense. It's we all get smeared.
Yeah. One way or another, but as an
organization if you know that those are the types of
ideologies. Are you going to like, you're
going to want to look at the risk?
That's a risk. Whistleblowing is a risk for the
company. Yes.
Because you want don't want people like it would.
Look at you bird that one that one lady that would allow a
lawsuit against Uber for sexual harassment.
She was very religious group. Very religious religious.
Yep. So people with that back,
Ground. You know what is going to look
at that? So when so that was kind of my
background and I did get passed over for a few promotions but I
really don't think that played much of a role in.
Like, I don't know. Like that didn't motivate you to
go forward with it. No, I was just like I started
noticing a few examples of Michael Kay.
Why are they, why did they make any exceptions newsworthy
exception? So, that's the big.
You phrase that we would use newsworthy exception.
Like, hey, Don Lemon called white white, Was a terror
threat. Yes, we know that that violates
our hate speech policy. Yes.
Don Lemon broke our rules. We know that we are making a
newsworthy exception to allow that.
So they were politically motivated to allow certain
content. And it, it sounds like it
favored the left, because that's where Silicon Valley in general
liens, that route. Yeah, as far as you know, where
the lawyers all out of, sort of California was that kind of of
California cultural, I would imagine.
So, I don't know that the law should wrote the policy of
Facebook community, Guidelines are policies.
We called them the implementation standards.
That sounds very what's funny is that there's so many parallels
between large government, you know, and large businesses that
are in bed with the government I guess.
And maybe that's why. I don't know which where the
crossover happen don't know if the government's trying to be
like the like the one or if the if the companies are trying to
be like the government, but they end up in the same sort of
mealy-mouthed like word salads, yeah, where they don't mean
anything, there euphemisms for something else, it's sort of
Watch. Yeah.
So they're doing these Community where they Community.
Yeah. Community standards Community,
she wants more lingo. That's the only hope my list.
You had some very funny quotations on there.
I'm going to, I'm going to let you off the chain on there.
Folks, this may be a little bit colorful because there's some
pretty funny stuff that that Ryan has direct quotes of.
And if you are at work and you need to put on headphones, you
should probably do that at this point and this would be the the
move. If you're at home, crank up the
volume. And I'm gonna let him just like
read some of the stuff that they had to lay evaluate.
And I think we'll find it all pretty.
I mean, it's all comedy. I think so.
Oh, this is, this is weekly guidance policy guidance.
So this posted in our little like imagine you're on Facebook,
you know. It's like your group, Facebook
thing, and your you post questions there in your group.
So someone this is from guidance from Facebook and someone posted
to the cognizant North America team August 30th and 2019 at
8:14 p.m. hashtag weekly questions, hashtag policy,
guidance, and the question is number one, how should we treat
clear exaggerations of speech that In claims of sexual
activity. IE, get Trump's dick out of your
mouth. Oh, get this is directly from
the do sterilized, like this is such a, this is such a nerdy
sort of exploit. It's like, how do we handle
those travels? We always had this thing in our
internal chat up, the guys that are the FBI whistleblower group.
We have a thing, we call it the Chad's for Freedom, although
we've recently just cleaned it up and it's just this
Expendables. So, guys like me and Steve and
there's a couple others that are in there.
Garrett, will boil, and And whenever somebody says
something, that's particularly funny or has a really good, you
know, social media hit like a tweet that you know, lands or
whatever and it's funny then like somebody else will be like
sir, they're saying this and then they just like do that like
the kind of like nerdy. You can imagine somebody running
into the director's office in background.
Stars are making fun of us again and it's all I like, I just know
that those people are everywhere, it doesn't matter if
they're in the government, it doesn't matter if they're a
Facebook at their Twitter or anything else.
There's always a someone who's banging on the door with the
sir. This is the thing, whoever wrote
that, it's not Karen. There needs to be Male name for
likes, it's like Smithers. Go ahead.
What are you guys, Steve? It's Neil, it's Neil Neil.
Why is it? Neil?
Because Neil takes an a Neil's. Are we going to name it?
That I'm down. Okay, into that.
We we could knock not Neo Neil. Any IL ya une?
IL, which is synonymous with K and ee L.
Yeah. So Neil is the guy that knocks
on the door and says sir, they're doing this thing in
there. Making fun of her again this is
what you got. Take Trump's dick out of your
mouth. Yeah is a big problem.
We so again, it's an exaggeration of specialized
clear exaggerating drag the be clear, exaggeration of speech
that contains. That's the sleep apnea sleep
deprivation, that can hinge claim, sexual activity, IE get
you. Unstuck Trump's dick out your
mouth. Oh, get off his dick already got
it. So, so it's so the guidance.
Okay. What's the guidance guys?
Like we come across, this this is, is this political speech?
Are they actually saying, hey, you are having sex with Trump,
you need to take his dick out of your mouth.
Like this could be this Regatta Regatta no claim of sexual
activities, right? Because if you normally don't
like to be fair reality, I mean we're not going to talk about
Stormy Daniels right now but we can maybe later we.
So the guidance is we should ignore content that uses clear
exaggerations of speech so ignore it.
So we know it's an exaggeration speed like that contains sexual
activity. Got it.
We need explicit context the posters using the phrase as an
exaggeration not next. Well, sexual claim got it.
Okay, if context is not available, it should be enforced
in court. Early, this applies to all
individuals, not just public figures.
Nice. Okay.
So that's that's seems like a reasonable side of guidance.
Yeah. But it's also funny that
somebody is that Neil is concerned about that.
Yeah, Neil and Neil up at corporate, if Facebook
corporate, you know, it was really concerned and we were
coming across this a lot. And we do we delete this
because, you know, the if you're if you're talking about using
that phrase, I mean, you're clear.
Talking talking about a trump supporter, if you service and
get someone that you met someone who likes Trump, right?
You are making fun of somebody who likes drawing.
Yeah. That's you saying stop saying
this favorited speech towards somebody because they're
obviously on the other side. Yeah.
So can we justify way to delete content from Trump supporters?
That's what they were basically asking.
Hmm. Yes, we Dragon.
So that's that's that's that policy.
There's some other. See here, there's more about
your time. You can look through these
things. We got, we got, you know,
there's no rush. So one of the fun things that I
think people are going to be curious about is, did this, you
know, did were there any examples where they were trying
to be fair? I think that we we saw some of
that in the Twitter files where they were looking at stuff on
the left as well and going, you know, this is also an
appropriate. But I'd be curious.
If they were more towards one side of the other, it was it
all. I mean, was it, 90 90 10?
Was it was it 5050? Probably not.
Was it? You know, 100% in one category
where they were literally letting everything else go they
going to say the name Steve friend but she can't say Eric
Center. Marla yeah, that's good
question. So because I get that question
more about like, oh, the moderators themselves might get
my co-workers. Yeah, can I co workers were not
weren't all leftist. We were here and we were in
Phoenix Arizona. We weren't in Silicon Valley, so
there's some people that own guns and Arizona, America.
Yeah, just a few, just a few, there's some Shooters.
Yeah, there's some shoes. Yeah.
One of the people who you're not going to realize this, but when
Ryan came up, we've probably been talking for 15 minutes
before we sat down to do this. He's like, so are you caring?
And I was like, yeah, dude, of course I am.
I had to give my weapon over to Steve, so I didn't.
Look ridiculous sitting down like this.
So what Steve's keeping an eye on us?
He's got OverWatch for this stuff for the show, but, but
yeah, that's, that's a normal conversation.
Particularly in Arizona, most of Arizona, regardless, with the
And say yeah seems to be pretty red.
So you've got co-workers that probably felt similar to you.
They may not have been willing to take a an activism stance.
Yeah I'm trying. How did you know that you guys
have like lunchroom conversations that we're going
on? Like what are they doing?
Are we are we tilting? The speech was it was any of
that discussed. So, so, honestly, I think it was
like subtle enough where I think most people didn't realize it
because I think, because I my background, I grew up just like
following politics a lot. So I kind of noticed things that
maybe wasn't obvious to everyone.
Wasn't. There's always like we were
accused. Oh, you're not you're in the
politics Q all day? Know, like it was a mixed Q.
Like I was saying like so what's hentai in time and Donald
Trump's dick is in your mouth. It's what do we do about this
meme? That has like a goat and it's
implying some sort of, you know, some sort of thing about Arabs
or something. I don't know.
Like it just a hole, just a smorgasbord of stuff coming at
you? Yeah.
I think I think they tried to be
now. I think they try to be fair as
much as they could like as far as our metrics are concerned
like they did Like, we had Q&A, we had to be really on point.
We can, I can just randomly delete stuff and get away with
it. Yep.
So that was good. And that was more of on the
metric. Side, with cognizant, the
company I worked for where they incentivize for you to get more
censorship. If you censored, more things was
that. It's like, it's like, Ryan's
really killing it. He's evaluated 1000 memes, and
he know he's got a 68% delete rate.
Is that a thing that they would look at like how do they, how do
they measure you? So know that we didn't see any
sign of us for more deletions and actually the print, the
guiding principle to their credit, the guiding principle
was like we need to justification to delete stuff.
If so err on the side of okay, we want to keep more than we
delete, okay? And so, yeah, we got paid by how
many jobs would like they gave us.
They dumped like, you know, 10,000 jobs in our queue and we
had to go through them and got it.
And so, that's how we got paid. So the one.
Yeah, it's so most of it was pretty subtle but the some of
the stuff we're just kind of blatant.
Like okay. And this is one of my favorite
ones. They so Greta thumb Berg.
Have I'm an activist, how dare you.
And that was there in that. That was I was working there
when that happened and this is the best.
First of all, when you have a 14 year old, who's borderline
autistic telling world leaders about how to do policy, what's
better than that, like, who doesn't want a young teenage
chick who doesn't take social cues?
Telling them how to do things whose outrage, he's permanently
outraged. But you got a little about our
people. Her peer people adults are
handling her, didn't she take a boat across the ocean?
At some point was not her big thing.
Yeah, there's a Good, for you really like sounds fun, eating a
sandwich. And like what's that?
It was. Idiotic was a big one.
Oh yeah. Well, it sounds nice.
She didn't solo sail at that. It's like a clean.
Actually, there was a claim that members of her staff or somebody
else get flew over to meet her. It's like Bear Grylls when he
was doing the, what he was doing.
What was it? What was the name of that show?
Man vs. Wild.
Is that what it's called? Yeah.
What was there so many. Sounds about right Post in the
comments below. Clearly, remember girls, Ryan
knows how this works. When you don't know, you refer
to the live chat, what I think it was, it was whatever Bear
Grylls, story was, but they always used to joke that he
would set up the thing and be like, it's really talk right
now. And so I'm setting up this
lean-to and I've got this going on right here then, and then,
and then he would set it up and then they would cut the film.
And he'd have like that, you know, the night vision care.
That he go sleep in a Marriott or something like that was the
ongoing climbing up. That probably did happen, but to
be fair, Bear Grylls is a super stud and he was also in the SAS
Gothenburg, not so much. Greater than birth was a child.
He's trying to do like a Revival analysis and like try something
like 35 her, I wasn't the Sound by, I'm gonna keep that.
I'm gonna put it on this and found the next time.
So you know what I do? Because this is what we saw at
Facebook. We saw that picture where, you
know, Trump is walking into the Union, the union, the UN, okay.
And then they had to like push to get away for like security or
something like that. And you see Greta just kind of
In the corner. Like learning.
I want to like blow that up and like, put on my wall.
I just love that imagery. It's a great image.
And so, we were seeing people at Facebook saying could, you know,
attacking read-a-thon Berg calling her agreed tarded.
Oops, greet our today. Yeah, I'm tracking you slapper
so it's, that's medium clever. Yeah, I mean, I mean first far
as trolling, I'll give that like a 6.5, maybe rice, roll level
six point five. So we're like, okay, like so are
we have? Of course, we have the lawyers
already. There's a policy for how we
treat minor public figures. Okay.
So if you're if you're like involuntary like voluntarily
famous it's a little bit different than voluntary famous
voluntarily famous voluntarily fam.
Yes, she went looking for that attention.
If you count her handlers, well we don't we won't go into that.
Yeah, I'm not saying she wasn't exploited by any means.
I'm confident, she was exploited.
I don't think she understands how it works.
Now, she does. Yeah, she's got to so like the
boy policies, like if you were talking about Justin Bieber,
when he was a teenager or someone either minor, you know
what? JoJo.
Cy is no. Okay, then we won't Jesus.
He's he's he's he's like a dancer who was on like Dance
Moms, dancing, mom's whatever. Okay, so like okay, you come on,
I'm okay with not knowing it and people talking about things.
I regularly have no idea what people are talking about when it
comes to this kind of stuff. Yeah.
So, she's mean, she's famous. She's cells like merchan, but
she wanted to do voluntarily famous voluntarily famous.
Okay. So these people are public
figures are minors, so you can't attack a minor in call them
stupid. So claims of character like
stupid that like if you're Talking about a private
individual like someone's daughter.
Random girl. No, you can't do that.
But the only thing you can't talk about a minor public figure
if you're about as like claims of sexual activity.
So you can't talk sexually about a minor public figure.
This is so much. This is so many rules.
Yeah, the other thing is that I don't know if that's a, I don't
know if it's an indictment of the company having to create
these rules or that human beings are just I mean my online
experience is that there's a lot of vitriol and bile.
There's a lot of really awful people which is why the other
day I made a recommendation, I was like, I got I got badly
ratioed. I what the heck was?
I even talking about. Its it was so unimportant to me,
I don't even know. I got over two million views.
Yeah, that's a long ways that mean, guys, I think I saw the
Tweet about the, yeah, but it was about white supremacy not
being the threat that people keep acting like this, which I
will stand by my statement and that continues to be.
Not the case, it is not. Let's get into that a little
more because will I'll clarify something so long and short of
it is I make The claim white supremacy is not the threat
based on my professional experience of investigating
white supremacy for a number of years, which is take it or leave
it. You don't have to agree with me.
You don't have to believe me. I'm just telling you.
I have some credentials in that field.
Yeah. Having looked at it, I went
looking for actual white supremacist.
They're hard to find. They're not and what the bureau
calls or what federal law enforcement would refer to as
white supremacy. Not really there.
Yeah, two and a half million. People were very upset about my
position on that and then I went out and went to a thrift store
and hang out with my wife and I you know threw my kids around.
Round and we went to church and we had dinner and we had some
burgers. And then I came back and I was
fine. And that's that's the right
answer to most the stuff that this stuff is not real.
Yeah, it's there's a Korean of bile.
There's so much hatred. That that's why you have to
actually do this stuff. I guess if you're trying to
curate a family friend, really? Yeah, platform which Facebook
didn't used to be that. You remember what Facebook was
started us? You want the original face was
in high school, right? You said had 2 happen in like
2006, I think it's well that's right when I was getting off so
initially and I don't know if it was in 2000 or when it started
much earlier than that. But essentially there used to be
a thing called the Facebook that you would get in certain
schools. It was like a hit list, I guess
for like dudes in college frat that I think it used to be to
connect them and then it became like a dating possibilities
thing, but it was just the pictures of the Freshman Class
their faces. The Facebook was a thing.
You would get from school. These are the new people in our
college and when you had the Facebook you could look through
and see oh you know like she's cute or like that's a
good-looking guy. I want to meet him.
Whatever it was that's how people ended up using it and so
it was just an introduction to college classes.
The freshman class would have the Facebook and then everyone
would know who was okay, that became a digital thing and used
to have a DOT edu email address. When I first joined and you had
to actually be part of the school and then you could
connect School networks and people started connecting to
their high school friends or they'd still stay in touch with
their high school friends. So you've got this all the lines
drawn between the different colleges.
And at some point they let high school students on yeah, which
was probably when it became insane and then everybody was on
this thing which is when I wanted to not be on it because I
hate doing what everyone's doing.
I'm a contrarian like that. Yeah but that was the original
idea was that they were connecting all these people.
Hmm. I don't think anybody could have
fathomed that it was going to become the thing that it did.
Maybe they could have maybe they were prophetically and it is, I
mean, I don't know, there's those theories about owe the
government planned the whole thing and like, there's a lot of
that I'm not going to go into the hot seat on that, but Yeah,
I mean the just to finish up real quick at the thought on
Gothenburg please. Yeah, I know we can, but I'm
glad you have that in your head to come back because I would
have completely moved on how tell you how dare you, how dare
you? So Grant, I'm okay, so she's
getting attacked, right? So she just confronted Trump at
the UN, okay? And she's getting attacked.
So she's being called, agree charted, retarded, which I could
call the minor Justin Bieber, retarded.
I can call any other minor think name, one called them recharge,
because I'm not making a claim about a sexual activity, but
face, Facebook in their ultimate wisdom, decided to make a
newsworthy exception to disappear, you know, prohibit a
tax against, they basically band the phrase, great charted, agree
chart and they said, hey bursting and the thing for an
entire week of the opposite of a newsworthy exception, isn't it?
It's not really new. It's like It's newsworthy
because you know they're saying I guess their justification is
oh, she's in the news now being attacked and we're making an
exception to our own rules because why?
Because he's busy, because she's Greta, I don't know.
Like because she has a favorable political cause essentially was
we're seeing but, but the justification behind it's got to
be really bizarre because I could see you saying she's not
gonna see those. She's not gonna see those
comments. Yeah, I guess the words
newsworthy exception. Don't mean what we want them to
mean, you know what I'm saying? The news were the exception
would be like, normally we don't say the names of these.
These things. But we're going to in this case
because it's we wouldn't normally say the name of a minor
but this minor was involved in a mass shooting and we want to
name and shame that person. So we're going to do that.
Yeah. But usually people tend to go
the opposite way with that like daily wire does.
Yeah. Say you know the we don't name
these people because we don't want to give them, you know,
anything famous normally would tell you if somebody was
involved in a crime but we don't name Mass Shooters.
That's the newsworthy exception in the opposite I guess.
Anyways, yeah, it's just interesting.
It's just, it's just doublespeak.
It's classic leftism. Yeah, so it's like for an entire
week like we most of us I was like out in the queue.
They did a proactive pool and they dropped, they just
basically looking for that hashtag.
Yep. And they fed into our cues.
So we're going to Tire week. Do we always deleted?
It was like people, attacking credit Sundberg weird.
So isn't that crazy how they can control they can?
Prioritize? What we delete?
What and what they were dumping into the cues?
Yeah. So they had AI, that was
obviously, in the background searching through this, I'm
guessing. Yeah, mmm.
Was that, was that news to you? Did you not realize that there
was another layer of censorship that was happening?
So we kind of knew that the computer, we knew that we were
training, The AI. So we were training the AI was
something called continuous enforcement, okay?
So if you're on Facebook and you want to be family-friendly, you
don't want to see like hey maybe I don't want to see like bikini
pics or something like that or cleavage or where.
So we create something is we would we would have to in
addition to marking it deleting you're keeping it.
We would Mark stuff if we saw someone in a bikini or showing
cleavage or showing bulge or an erection, we would delete that
wonderful. So we had thank you for being
very medical about that. That's I wouldn't have
necessarily put those two together, but that is, I guess
the male version of that. Yeah.
And we use it was so weird. Like imagine a lawyer like
defined. See what cleavages like, that's
just weird. Yeah.
Anyways just like a depth discussion.
I'm like how? Yeah there's like it's like okay
it was their shadowy one side or that side is there.
It was just odd. So the cool thing about this
whole job was like the culture go.
So you're worried that you're there with her people in the
early 20s. I high school and you're sitting
there talking about like the the weirdest thing in the world.
Why have to look at child porn? This occasionally, it's
horrible. But like you develop a certain
Bond? I'm sure you share with your
people and your friends Corky I yeah, when you're dealing with
this stuff that's traumatizing. We had to see we saw live
suicides. We saw the images on Instagram
where they're slitting their wrists.
We have to delete and send them, you know information like a
hotline number. So you're reporting some things,
the law enforcement and yeah and we were sending CEI too long for
us, we were reporting in a white supremacist.
Most dangerous individuals terrorist organization.
Okay, so the policy for let me go into what we're talking about
before. Yeah.
Let's at least some of this stuff.
Has some background where it could benefit Humanity?
Yeah. Yeah.
I think all the training the AI to kill us all which it sounds
like you guys were also doing but yeah.
Okay. So what Supremacy specifically
it's hot button topic right now there's people talking about it
all last week because Biden was saying this the big problem.
What's Facebook's take on it? You know during your time there?
What was the evolving position looking like?
Yeah. So I was at Facebook when we had
the Christ Church shooting And so in and New Zealand.
So that is he posts his Manifesto on Facebook?
Wasn't that where that went? I believe?
So. Okay.
All right. So he posted his Manifesto and
then he, yeah, he basically. Yeah.
So that's, we saw those attacks and like, here's the thing.
So dangerous individuals and organizations that policy
dangerous orgs we just we call dangerous shorts.
Yeah. So included like mass shootings.
So we would clarify classify mass shootings and then we would
also classify Groups. Yep.
So we had a list, we literally had a list to look at PDF, we
I'm like, hey, is this person this in a white supremacist?
Or is this person on a terrorist organization?
We'd pull the list from the Department of State and we look
okay. Is that symbol look like kinda?
I don't know. Is it?
So it's upside down. Okay.
So it's not like, I'd okay, we're good.
Okay. So you're literally trying to
compare against. Some government databases is
some that Facebook must have compiled because there's not a
list of white supremacist that I'm aware of, right?
So they made their own lists, but the FBI is really good.
Putting out symbols guides. Yeah.
You ever get one of those? We had symbols guy so maybe they
use some stuff from the if I'm sure if they their unclassified
that's the other thing. A lot of those were meant for
law enforcement engagement but I've never I mean obviously you
weren't doing a law enforcement job but it was adjacent enjoy
and then they probably got some of it from Southern Poverty,
Law. Oh good.
Yeah, they're very reputable, everyone knows so well those
guys. Yeah, they hate the Catholic
Church to. So as they hate really, really,
yeah, they hate all churches. I'm pretty sure the, hey, How
dare you? How dare you?
How dare they? They hate God.
They want government to be God. So yeah.
So we had those those lists. So I looked through like, okay
and then at one point while I was there they're like you know
what these these Dwight I'm trying to remember the
terminology but basically they prioritized like there were, you
know, there's obviously extremist groups of different
races. Sure.
But they prioritize white supremacy over other groups
course and the, the funniest thing too is I don't know.
I don't want this in my documentary when it comes out
for behind the mask of My book is like, where can people get
it? Just before I forget to talk.
It will take it again. Yeah.
So behind the mask of Facebook, it's on Amazon.
And it's with my co-author can't hack and Lively who's written
with Judy make of its and Well published author.
Spell your last name so people can find it.
My last name is Hartwig haart wi G.
It's only one I'll not the to like what's that other one is
that there's somebody that has two eyes and Hartwig every time
I see your name, I think you should be another time.
Yeah, so it's height:0 width:0. It's not hard.
It's like I have a heart but not a wig but it's not the haart wi
G. Yeah.
On Amazon behind the mask of Facebook.
Yep. All right, so you're going to do
you're going to and you've got a bunch of footage that did not
get released by Veritas yes sir none of it's own animal with
very short, hot hits. Yeah, I mean how do you condense
nine months? So I filled with the Han camp
for nine months. How do you convince nine months
of footage into like a 10-minute?
Was this your they gave you the cameras or was Is your camera?
They supplied me this playing with the camera.
Okay, good deal. So they're just like, hey, go
film and then knock yourself out.
Yeah, knock yourself out. So I would film and I'd go home
at night and I transcribe. Yeah, what I filmed and so it's
a lot of work. He is, people have no idea what
kind of work that some of these people that have been exposing
things particularly on a corporate level.
What that looks like. It's that's I didn't know that.
Yeah, I didn't know that you were sitting there doing hand
transcriptions of all this stuff or writing it all up.
Yeah. That's totally wild and you're
doing it for nine months. And how did you know when you
were done or did they find you? So, because I actually like, I
remember like the, here's the funny thing.
So folks, the reason why I wanted Ryan to come on, his
story was released right in the middle of the covid shutdowns.
And everybody got lost in the hysteria of what was happening
in this country for lockdowns and you know, government
censorship was considered. Okay?
We all knew it was wrong. People were like yelling about
other things. This was all happening in real
time and then a bunch of news stories got lost, including
Young people like Aaron Stevenson who you?
And I both know, and I've had on our show before their stories
disappeared, even though in many ways, they were really, really
wild things happening. Yeah.
They were just happening in a time when something so wild was
happening that we've never done it before, they shut down our
economy. Yeah.
And so your I think in some ways, your story got lost in the
noise. Yeah.
The little signal, got a little
bit distorted. Yeah.
So like, like, I went so I filmed pretty sure sale early,
like, fall of 2019 and of early February, 20, 20, and so the
crazy Is my, the contract ended. So I would have kept on filming
but the contract ended Congress intended.
The contract prematurely God is so we all got laid off in
February of 2020, right before covid.
And then I fill my interview with with project.
Veritas I thought in New York, right?
After that, in March of 2020. And so obviously with the timing
that we didn't release it, then we release it in June, right?
But yeah, how do you you have all this footage and you're
like, okay, what do you know, how do you, what do you do?
Do with all of it, but usually how many hours of footage you
think you have? I mean so I would say for so
three or four months I filmed almost daily but not like the
entire day, right? Sometimes.
So I probably have at least as extra like 20 to 30 hours of
footage that's a lot. Yeah and you might yeah yeah
that's intense. So you got to watch all that.
You got to break it down, you got to break it down into ten
seconds or 20 seconds. The things that are valuable
that to hit into a documentary. Yeah.
That's, that's pending though. People can see some of the stuff
behind the mask, which I think will be eye-opening.
And then they can also obviously see that the For You released
with Veritas. Yeah, they can go find this,
although still on YouTube or they get censored, they're still
on YouTube. So it's got another.
Another Facebook Insider is the title of the video project
Veritas and of course, it got stifled by YouTube.
When I went out, of course, and that was before telegram before,
you know, very proud of your tiles and Telegram.
And so, I did. I've done like, over and
probably 200 interviews since then in the last three years.
Lot of which were Spanish language.
Spanish language did a lot in South America.
Brazil actually, not in Portuguese, I speak some
Portuguese and I've done some. What?
I was throwing that out there. Yeah, humble brag.
Oh yeah, by the way, I'm trilingual, and this is some
people know this. You may not know me, but I'm
kind of a big deal. That's right.
Exactly. Correct.
And you had your Facebook account seized because of all
this stuff too. So your sensor, your your out.
Yeah. My Instagram got deleted.
It 4K my Twitter still. Got ya.
So you were basically doing a whistleblower activity about
censorship and then became the victim of censorship.
There's some irony in that. Yeah, they probably don't
appreciate. I mean, the funny thing is like
Facebook didn't respond publicly to the story because they
probably knew like they responded to just make it a
bigger story. Yes.
I want to give any hair to these stories, right?
And you think about scandals with Facebook.
Okay. Everyone knows about camera
General etiqa right? Yes.
Right Steve. I mean.
Okay, what was that? Okay?
Yeah, people doing what was? A big Scandal.
I mean people were yeah, Facebook's always been selling
your data and it was used by a political party to yep.
Targeted marketing. That's what they do.
In the mouth, literally their business model and less.
I understand it differently. Yeah.
So the scope of this week now people say okay Ryan you just
gave a few examples like that's not a lot like okay I think of
the scale. Alright, 1500 moderators here,
there's probably what 20 to 30,000, moderators across the
u.s. who are moderate and content multiple sites.
Multiple sites. Each of those individuals whose
moderating is About 200 pieces of content a day.
So x times twenty thousand thirty two hundred times.
Let's just say 200 times twenty thousand.
Wow, that's what formula, 40 million 4 million.
I don't know the math but that's a lot of pieces of content and
F. And if let's say, let's say, 20%
of that is political content. Then what are you doing?
You're influencing elections and worldwide.
And so I talked about the man that much about, I talk about
that in my book about how Facebook is influencing
elections globally. And you, otherwise, It wasn't
blowers have come forward. So if he's saying was a software
engineer data scientist for Facebook, she's like, hey
dictators in South America are using bots on Facebook to
influence public opinion. This Guy's real, this is so it
goes from innocuous things like, you know, get the D out of your
mouth. You're talking about Donald
Trump. And should we be talking about
this or not? Is this sexually explicit to
despots and tyrants saying? I'm going to be able to use this
this tool? And I'm going to use it to
influence the elections in my space because it could be
micro-targeted to my country, right?
Yeah. And and and one of the reasons
why you and I are set in the same room right now is because
we're all part of this program. This progress what he called
project that's going talking about the the sort of pending
police state in the United States and whether we are
teetering on the brink of it or whether we've already fallen
over the edge and the way that the police state we had this
conversation over dinner last night.
I'll preview to it right now. Things like the Bi things like
Facebook censorship. Those are all weapons.
And weapons are not inherently evil.
Yeah. Right or their tools, even more
accurately. But a tool becomes very evil
when you take a chainsaw that you could use to take down a
tree and clear a road. That would be good.
Yeah. Or you could take a chainsaw
into a middle school and start hacking people to death and if
you are going to use the tool in a way, that is dangerous
destructive antisocial Etc, then that's the real scary part and
that's what you you guys were helping train these these Ai.
And now it's being turned against as an actual weapon for
politicization in the same way. We see.
ER federal government going right?
Know exactly. And in the context of you know,
soviet-style censorship, you think about the so many
Bolshevik Revolution and you think about Lenin and destroying
the political party opposing political party and you're
using, you know? Basically, it's one of the
Lennon's, big things was Mass public education and so like,
how do you do ma'am? And if Lenny would love this
level Only Love Facebook because I think all the tyrants would
love it. It's not, it was Available to
them, to be able to reach directly into people's, you
know, eyeball is right in front of your eyes.
Yeah, and it's the things that you are.
You think you're finding them on your own?
That's what's really wild. You're curating it but it's
already been curated for you and that's why it that's almost like
Inception. Yeah, the movies talk about how
you have an idea, they got a plant, an idea.
If you haven't seen Inception, go see it such a really good.
But if you haven't seen the movie Inception, the concept
being that that you believe something that someone else gave
you an idea to believe, and so they have to cede it.
That's what Inception is and that's what we're talking about.
Yeah, they are, they're actually doing Inception.
Yeah, yeah. They're planning.
Those ideas and I there's a, you know, dr.
Robert Epstein is a research and he's worked close to cloak
closely with Zach Voorhees the Google whistleblower and I've
talked to dr. Epstein and dr.
Epstein is a leftists. Like he's a classical liberal,
so many of these people and yeah, I don't even know if he's
a leftist. That makes them kind of.
He's also left. Alright, he's left Lee.
Yeah, he's definitely not a Republican.
And he's exposed how Google does these ephemeral searches.
So like it doesn't leave an imprint.
So if you search something at suggest it then it you know
these the imprint on you suggest something to you and plants that
seed but there's no trace of that ever happening.
Like there's no they don't document it, it's not documented
anywhere. Okay.
It's all this Emeril ephemeral. Yeah.
Ephemeral searches. Okay.
That leaves a impression without ever a mark of of it.
Yeah, so he would be able there's no recommend research,
have as researchers tracked those and see Other influencing
elections. So, yeah.
And this is it really is like out of a movie like where it's
just like this insane technology that's being used just like all
the despots and tear in it you know dictators use but it's so
much more sophisticated than just leafleting people or
putting up banners everywhere. Yeah.
Right. I mean it's just like you say,
this is the wet dream of those, who imposed the tyrannical
regimes of the 20th century. Yep, it's 21st second 21st
century. Balaji doing it.
And we're not hip to it yet in the same way that people weren't
hip to like, you know, a false story in the New York Times.
That was a, you know, puff piece on behalf of a government.
Now, if you put out a New York Times puff piece, or you try to
take out a hit on Steve Fred and say that his character is
garbage people go, like it's the New York Times their trash.
You can't believe anything that the the right.
Yeah. People still trust things that
are online. They do as long as it agrees
with their basic sets about, I guess, because we Anna.
I mean, that's the thing about like, Echo Chambers to like
online and that's What one of my super, my supervisor at work at
Facebook was like yeah. We try to like isolate people
into like separate kind of well, I guess essentially Echo
Chambers right. Silos silos, which is not really
a good thing necessarily but it may reduce like a kind of
tension between groups. But you're getting you're
talking about, they're trying to make political Echo Chambers for
people at work. Well, I guess as far as the echo
chamber is go, I want to say, Yeah.
The the information that they have inside of that is not very
substantive so I won't really go into that much but I like being
fair, the fact that they discussed the theory or
mentioned like the my supervisor brought it up.
It was going to be interesting that they would be faced with
even think about that. Like why why do you even care?
If where people are interacting with people like just it's the
free should be a free-for-all if you like what someone says been
blocked that person that's a great.
So Kind of where we are, but yeah, 100 years ago and you know
Russia, you know, the opposition would, you know, to humiliate
someone, they take him to trial and take that whole political
prior to trial to destroy that brand.
So now Facebook is being used by the government to destroy the
brand of what is our brand? People who believe in the people
who believe? I tend to believe this
experience. Yeah.
People who believe that there is, in fact, a God, I think
that's the biggest danger for the leftist movement.
That's they're going after their political opponents, which is
the further on the right. That's people who believe that
there's a capital G and God and they want to replace it with a
capital G and government. Yeah.
Does that sit? I think, that's right.
I think, they're trying to
destroy that brand and anything that they can do to destroy that
brand, they'll, you know, they're using these tools or
weaponizing them. And so, we're learning
everything new things every week about how the FBI weaponized it.
And I don't think it's people like, oh, it's the FBI doing.
Yeah, the FBI is involved. And the government is corrupt
and the courts are not trying to fix section 230.
I work with Jason Fick with the social media, Freedom
Foundation, I'll have him on at some point to.
Yep. And, you know, he, he went to,
he's been trying to go to court for a while he sued Facebook,
because they took down his page with no reasons for no reason.
Now, he's suing the government itself.
Because if you look at like why this is all happening like the
government, the laws have been misinterpreted?
Yes, the section 230. Protections, were misinterpreted
giving Facebook more protection than they should and Justin
Kevin on, in a similar type ruling just a few months.
Ago basically said we don't want to disrupt the status quo.
Yeah. Like okay, what's your job then
you're supposed to interpret the law to fix.
I don't right there is no status quo all.
It's either right? Or it's wrong.
We all have that. That's the conservative
position. Essentially, that there is a
right and a wrong and that may be, the difference is that a
leftist position? Is this sort of like, Like
operational morality. Yeah, like it's okay only
because it's been going on and things are not in chaos, but
that doesn't make it right. I think that's why they were so
reticent to go after things like row.
They didn't want to even take on the case because it would have
disrupted the status quo. Yeah, just because it was
happening, doesn't mean it was okay.
It doesn't mean it was good. Yeah.
Interestingly enough. I talked to Jason 50 other day
on a Twitter space and he and he texts me every once in a while,
he's a wild do to talk to you. Like you have to rate him and he
knows so much. Yeah about 2:30, but I guess
this case failed to be picked up by the the writ of certiorari to
go to the Supreme Court. Yeah.
And then because the actions taken, he has new cases that are
being filed. The dude is a warrior in this
space like in the lawfare space, he just does not give up.
So God bless the pit bulls that are out there.
Yeah, there's so many fights folks.
I think this is one of the things that we can all walk away
with. It doesn't matter if it's
Facebook, what doesn't matter if it's the FBI, it doesn't matter
if it's Google. It doesn't matter if it's the
rest of the federal government. The failure of our court system.
Pick one fight that you're good at that, you are passionate
about. You have one thing that your,
your kind of honed in on and that's all we have bandwidth as
human beings. We don't have a I like
capabilities so you can only do if you spread your attention.
So, broadly, you'll basically do nothing.
I think that's what I think it's what they want.
They being people that want the status quo, they want you to be
outraged about everything and do something about nothing.
Yeah, right. If you spend all your time,
knowing all the little bits that you could be outraged about, Be
unsuccessful in doing anything about the one thing that you
might be able to do some? Yeah, you gotta pick your
battles in that. Let's let's be honest like
what's, you know it's it's almost you know I sometimes I'm
a little bit pessimistic because there's so much to do.
That's right. And I don't know, are we at the
point where we got to keep fighting, no matter what?
But yeah, be smart and strategic about what your battles are and,
you know, raise your family crazy, you know, have a
religious beliefs that then that is the victory honest to God.
We out breed them. Number one.
One them being whoever doesn't believe the way you do and then
thinks this country is, you know, trash and needs to be
reformed dramatically because this was a pretty good place to
grow up for me. Yeah, I'm guessing you
experience the same thing in Arizona.
Yeah, 30 years ago was a good spot to be too.
It's good to see. I was a good spot to be and I
think yeah. Just ask.
Yeah, just just go to England and you know, they the over the
breeding and migration does work.
So it does the yeah. They can overrun us and
Arizona's actually, one of the places we've probably seen some
of that stuff. So that's kind of yeah.
And I think overall, I think, Just as a last note here is my
my book talks about a lot of different things and we would
talk about immigration as well, but, you know, I think I'm going
kind of going off topic here. But as far as immigration goes,
I think, I think so, you know, would you rather had I think as
far as people immigrating into our country, like from the
southern border, most of them tend to be Catholic religious.
So right, if I'm going to have people in by my country who are
Catholic religious or people who are not, I would rather prefer.
I don't think it goes the way they think it goes.
I think when you keep bringing in people that are other what
you know, that are basically Christian and or specifically
Catholic, yeah, you're going to get Catholics in this country.
There's already a lot of them. It doesn't go.
That doesn't eventually end up in the left, particularly with
the way that the left is fighting against the things that
are fundamentally important. They used to have sort of an
agnostic position about abortion and, you know, she's safe legal
and rare and all that nonsense. They've given that up now.
It's a Sacrament, yeah, and sort of.
And so now you re basically choosing, whether if you're
going to be a religious person, you don't have a choice but to
vote Center. Right.
There's only one party in town that's covering that and for all
their faults, which are significant.
Yeah. That's kind of fun.
All right, I want to be respectful of your time.
I know you've got some of the things you got to go do, he's
going to have some time folks, you can also see Ryan soon in
and out upcoming documentary of which Steve friend will also be
joining. And I will be part of it as
well. On a panel discussions with a
covering all the different sort of topics.
You can get a smattering of those and how they move towards
a police state. I think we're all fighting our
own battles within that to try to stop that and we're all going
to be part of it till people. Where they could follow you on
different socials? I know you have a d boosted,
Twitter. I will boost the your tag and I
will see you can find it on my Twitter, but tell them your
handles. So you my websites just Ryan
Hart week, dot org. Suddenly my name.org haart wi G,
I'm primarily on Gap right now. Yeah.
Just real, a real Reinhardt wig. So that's my primary social
media. Twitter is Hartwig underscore
free so, but, yeah, check me out yet.
Check me out on line, the social media.
If you want to copy my sign book, let me know, shoot me.
Email just Ryan Hartwig at proton mail.com.
Awesome. You think protonmail is good.
Is it secure? I'd say it's a lot better than
Gmail. Yeah.
I'd say I need to get off Gmail and I keep thinking that I'm too
lazy to get off. Probably like, all of you, are,
we all should be asking yourself DPN.
Yeah, there's it. That's the way to go.
I try to use a VPN. Where do you say, you are?
Do you try to put yourself in somewhere else?
I do. So, I use sure surf shark and
it's like surf shark. It's a cheap.
I usually just put it in where I am most of the time, unless I'm
doing less than trying to be really see, really a secret.
I want to be in the Owens just Brian why?
I've got your pay to ask you a question for a friend yams.
Do you know what would happen for somebody who's married to an
FBI whistleblower has a Facebook account and sends a private
message to somebody from Mom's for Liberty saying, I'm a wife
of a FBI whistleblower, thank you very much.
And then 30 minutes later had her account indefinitely
suspended for violating Community standards.
Wow, DM censorship. What do you think private
message? We know that we know that face.
Slides into your DMs like that. They used to line their dreams
and actually I met this guy, you're going to get going pretty
soon, but we, I met this guy. I met this guy and the fish,
Arizona State Fairgrounds who was doing security, mmm, and he
worked for Facebook, corporate like the, with the head honchos.
And yeah, and so he knows that there's at the top level, he and
other people could go into anybody's DMS for like long, you
know, suppose. The law enforcement purposes.
We're not going loss for words. Just I'm checking they can go
into your DMs so the yeah that's that's pretty that's it's
interesting situation where you get the wife of an FBI that guy
so she wanted to she deemed. Okay.
Wow. And then she got our account
suspended. Why is that wouldn't surprise
you though? Don't it doesn't surprise me.
So folks that you're on, yeah, ongoing this is the ongoing
Crusade of the Kyle Serafin. Show.
Put your conversations in places where they are.
Encrypted end-to-end. That's why protonmail is your
better bet than Gmail? That's why any end-to-end
encrypted. I I use signal generally
speaking but there are others. There are things like session.
There are things like wicker me which is owned by Amazon cloud
services, which makes me think they're probably compromise, but
I can't say they are. If you can protect your data in
motion, you should protect your data because otherwise you don't
know who else is reading them. And you don't know who else is
making decisions based on what your ability to communicate.
It is going to look like, and and those are out there, whether
you're using plain SMS, actually, iMessage is supposed
to be encrypted, I just know that that I don't necessarily
trust Apple, persuade WhatsApp is compromised, actually, it's
encrypted. I mean, I think they can read
it. That's that's been the case for
a little bit, too. Yeah.
So, anyway, do do some of your own research.
I hate the, do your research, but that is important that you
guys, you have to be responsible for your own data.
Think it's a pretty decent place to stop about it.
And one of those things you have to be responsible, if is your
Facebook usage, Greta Van Berg, or otherwise Ryan buddy.
Thanks for joining me. Tag you in this.
I hope we get to see you again. Soon if I'm in Mesa will go
shoot some guns. That will happen.
Sounds good. All right, folks.
Thanks so much for joining us for the cows are for show and we
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