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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower, an 

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American patriot prepared to 
embrace the uncomfortable truth.

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Because this program has no time
for comforting lies. 

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Here is civil liberties 
enthusiast, Second Amendment 

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defender, and recovering FBI 
agent Kyle Seraphim. 

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Hello, my friends and welcome to
the Kyle Seraphin show. 

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It's Friday, it's June the 23rd.
It's 8:30 here in Texas, 

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America. 
It sounds like we are streaming 

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live. 
We got the thumbs up in the 

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chat. 
Thanks so much to all of you 

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that are paying attention and 
giving me that heads up. 

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And let's talk about what we're 
going to do today. 

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We're going to connect some dots
now. 

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I promised you Steve friend on 
friendly Friday and I don't have

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Steve Friend, but I've got at 
least as good, maybe better for 

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right now, especially when Steve
friend is running around in the 

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airport. 
He just told me that TSA 

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confiscated his hair gel, the 
299 hair gel that he carries 

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from Walmart. 
So way to go, TSA. 

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Thanks for keeping America safe.
We're really proud of you. 

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I think we're proud of what you 
are all doing and you are 

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keeping us protected from those 
dangerous January 6 travelers 

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and also Steve friend, American 
hero and federal whistleblower 

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so that his hair is not kept in 
place. 

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That is that is a great victory.
He just told me bin Laden wins 

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When that happens, I think he 
may be right. 

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Before we jump into my guest who
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And let's also talk about 
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These are our friends that are 
keeping the lights on here at 

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the Seraphin household and 
outstanding organization and 

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something that we have something
really special brewing with. 

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I wanted to actually bring up on
Catholic Vote. 

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They have a an e-mail chain that
comes out. 

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The e-mail is called the Loop. 
I've told you guys about it 

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before. 
If you look at the main page 

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right here, you can drop your 
e-mail and your zip code and get

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timely information. 
I pulled this up today and the 

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Loop e-mail, which really does 
keep you looped in, has all 

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kinds of stuff. 
In fact, I could probably do my 

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entire show for Friday off this 
if I didn't have my special 

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guest. 
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Biden administration backing 
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mandate that they had for 
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They've got the whistleblower 
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DOJFBIIRS all discussing how the
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giving Hunter Biden a special 
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time. 
They've got a piece about Alito,

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the the Supreme Court Justice. 
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some controversial teachers 
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working with the cabinet, the 
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censure on Adam Schiff, really 
all the stuff that you're going 

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to want to know about what's 
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You can start there with that 
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So check them out. 
And without too much further 

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ado, I want to start connecting 
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And we're going to do so by 
bringing on my friend, your 

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favorite. 
This is the Garretto Boyle, 

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AKAGOB, actual Garrett. 
Welcome back to the Kyle 

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Seraphin show, buddy. 
Hey Kyle, thanks for having me 

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back. 
Thanks for agreeing to show up 

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with me in the morning over 
there and tell people about that

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shirt you're sporting, because 
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Rumble channel, you're missing 
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Here we go, this is prototype #1
of suspendables shirt that we've

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been working on some designs and
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I'll see. 
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I don't know if I can really. 
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going to be able. 
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or die? 
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So it's a it's a play on the 
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some some layers in there once 
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whatever that you guys will 
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Yeah, it's got the, it's got the
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That's all cut into pieces. 
This is the join or die thing 

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that started from the original 
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about whether or not they would 
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Revolution. 
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What color is that? 
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Yep, it's like AOD, Yeah. 
OK, And you're not seeing the 

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chat, but people are saying 
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So thanks for joining us. 
I want to connect some dots. 

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I want to get into a discussion 
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who, who actually released this 
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right. 
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Foster and Tristan Levitt, who 
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of Congress. 
They they shared a whistleblower

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affidavit. 
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that? 
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OK, I'm going to bring it up 
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us, I believe. 
Let's see if let's see if Kyle's

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tech skills make it. 
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affidavit. 
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Just as a top official with the 
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disclosure with the Office of 
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that FBI Director Paul Abate, 
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bureau's internal critics that 
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the most important thing. 
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work it or they didn't think it 
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seek employment elsewhere and 
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the subordinate agents. 
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This is a fantastic piece, 
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If you're not following John 
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And he writes at just 
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That's his news organization. 
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friend of America since he's 
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this fight in many ways. 
So what is your what is your 

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take away? 
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some dots here. 
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Right. 
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is I wish they would have came 
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That's kind of frustrating. 
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like to give them a little grace
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very far removed from our own 
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retaliation and things that are 
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So I want to try to be a little 
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grateful for every single one 
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they want to be named or not. 
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anonymous. 
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you know, I don't. 
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Bate, I think it was last week, 
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on the hill testifying as well. 
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to see that, I mean, he's he's 
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He doesn't answer questions. 
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American people to know what the
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He just wants to keep you under 
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Yeah, that's true. 
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really arrogantly proud about 
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that are senators, that are 
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representatives of the people 
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these questions and I'm not 
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Senator. 
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knows that they don't have any 
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What's going to ever happen to 
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Right, Yeah. 
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the overall problem and that 
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know from their predecessors 
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away with whatever they want. 
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into the Durham hearing. 
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especially appreciative of his 
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kind of held him over the fire a
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actually going to happen to the 
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here, like James Comedy and 
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And he even mentioned 
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an e-mail so they could get a 
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And he's practicing law again in
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crazy. 
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that. 
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sit up here and Stonewall and do
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threaten to fire employees over 
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away with my pension and get a 
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like GE, like our good friend 
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because I think that's 
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I'm going to actually bring up 
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we're talking about. 
This is the actually the letter.

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So you can see if you're not 
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you're missing out on seeing the
Empower Oversight Whistleblowers

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and research letterhead. 
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written to all the members of 
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then also the members of the 
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including people like Chuck 
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on. 
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it lays out that this affiant, 
the the gentleman that we're 

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going to actually quote in just 
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deputy director. 
That's going to be the number 

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two guy in the FBI. 
This would have been someone 

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that that had all the 
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basically state that there was a
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people who were rioting and 
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amok in American cities in 2020 
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decided to riot and and do the 
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And so we're going to kind of I 
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things directly and get your 
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mind. 
This is this letter was actually

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drafted by Tristan Levitt. 
Once again, the guy that sat on 

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the other panel with you and 
we'll say so the Afghan declares

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who he is. 
He says he's an FBI special 

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agent with more than 15 years of
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He's been in a leadership 
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So we can assume that probably 
closer to 16 years, one of those

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six years and then picking up a 
special, what he calls 

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supervisory special agent job at
the SSA position says he's over 

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18, He's competent to testify. 
These are pretty, pretty 

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standard things. 
Asking that he remains 

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confidential for fear of 
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I think we can all appreciate 
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And obviously if you don't do 
that sort of thing, you get the 

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the fun and chance to become a 
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You. 
Yeah, I guess you're suspendable

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if you come forward. 
You get to actually get 

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suspended if you speak. 
Up right. 

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So, So this is what he says. 
He's providing A sworn 

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declaration to advise that the 
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that's Paula Bate, threatened 
employees who criticized the FB 

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is response and tactics related 
to investigations of January 

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6th, 2021, also known as J6. 
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his actual statement was. 
He says that on Wednesdays at 

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about 3:00 PM Eastern Time, the 
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director hosted video conference
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divisions to the special agents 
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special agent. 
Who is your special agent in 

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charge? 
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which we, I mean, we can get 
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I got some some late breaking 
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Washington Field. 
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become aware of the FB is org 
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to us. 
They have all the legal 

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attaches, which are the FBI 
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the FB is efforts overseas. 
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division heads and they go to 
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teleconference or SVTC. 
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executive assistant directors, 
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Special Agent in Charge Jennifer
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executive assistant director Jen
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director, what's her name? 
Larissa Knapp, AKA Lariss. 

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She used to sign her emails. 
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to make me want to puke. 
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together, the deputy director, 
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and they would all address the 
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interest to these senior 
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literally running the FBI. 
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this is paragraph 7, February of
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director, because Paula Bate, I 
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January. 
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him, but it might have been 
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Anyway, he's brand new to the 
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This goes back two years now, 
didn't change. 

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personnel, including the 
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making this testimony. 
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his attention that some of the 
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the FBI's investigative response
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that he heard. 
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this response of January 6th 
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George Floyd protests and riots 
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The Deputy Director told the 
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questions the FBI's response or 
his decisions regarding that 

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response to January 6th did not 
belong in the FBI and should 

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find a different job or 
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Then he stated that the FBI's 
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consistent with the the summer 
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He argued the FBI was applying 
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each situation and he challenged
the SA CS that if they had an 

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employee that did not agree, 
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SA CS could have the employee 
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personally and he would set them
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The Afghan states that he 
witnessed hundreds of director 

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SVTCS, the secure conferences 
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threat like that at any time, 
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personal, communicating very 
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consequences for anyone who 
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It goes on a little further, but
I think that's going to be the 

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piece of it. 
And then he references a, a 

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letter, which I'm going to put 
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And Garrett, you're not going to
be able to see this, but this is

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a letter. 
Are you familiar with the letter

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that came in through the FBI 
vault? 

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Yeah, Yep, I read that too. 
Maybe paraphrase it for folks 

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and then I will actually bring 
it up here in a second and we 

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can talk about it like the 
actual direct quotes out of it. 

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I know it's a little small on 
the screen, folks. 

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So is this the one that has a 
little bit of those redactions 

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in it? 
It does indeed. 

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That's correct. 
Yep. 

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Yeah. 
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pull it up myself real quick. 
So we'll, I'll do a quick quote 

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from it here. 
What we're saying here is that 

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this is a external e-mail that 
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he sends it on to somebody else 
and it says thank you, blank for

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sharing everything below. 
And he obviously forwards it 

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within the FBI because it's the 
from line is what we're seeing. 

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This is the result of a FOIA. 
And people, you can find this at

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vault.fbi.gov. 
This is a FOIA that I will 

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probably post. 
It's known as Dump under score 

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7. 
And while Garrett's pulling that

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up, I'll just read a couple 
pieces of it. 

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It just says hello Paul. 
Someone who's obviously familiar

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with Paula Bate knows him 
personally. 

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I know how occupied you must be 
with the investigation of the 

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capital insurrection because 
it's an insurrection and the 

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larger scale preparation for 
inauguration week. 

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If I didn't believe this was of 
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wouldn't be sending you this 
e-mail while you're in that 

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crush. 
No good way to say it. 

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I'll just be direct from my 
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information. 
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6th, there is at best a sizable 
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population that felt sympathetic
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Capitol and said it was no 
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of last summer. 
Several lamented the only reason

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that this violent activity was 
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because of political 
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I think many listeners of this 
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that sort of situation. 
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sampling of the things. 
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he talks about blue states, red 
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The a political FBI is going to 
bring all those things up. 

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And this is essentially what he 
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counterterrorism squad, roughly 
75% of the Asian population in 

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an office, unknown office, 
disagreed with the violence but 

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understood the frustration, 
understood that the protesters 

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got carried away. 
I think that seemed eminently 

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true. 
He was very concerned that the 

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far right news media outlet 
Newsmax was on the TV on one of 

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the squad areas. 
And then he spoke to some black 

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agents, which he refers to as 
African American agents who 

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turned down asks to join the 
SWAT team because they didn't 

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trust every member of their 
office in the SWAT team to 

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protect them in an armed 
conflict. 

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I know you were a SWAT team 
member, so I'm going to have you

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reflect on that as well. 
And then talked about a senior 

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analyst who has a has since 
retired and is now in a free 

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space sort of realm, no longer 
an FBI employee, but has a 

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Facebook page full of stop the 
steal content. 

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I wonder if this is where Marcus
Allen's Stop the Steal 

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allegations went against him and
the what do they call it, the 

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conspiratorial allegations? 
Anyway, so he just talked about 

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this, this, this, this page is 
actually cut off. 

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We don't get to see all of it, 
but you've got the, the e-mail 

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in front of you. 
What are your reflections on 

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this e-mail going back to, to 
this was what? 

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What day was it? 
2021 like a week after, yeah. 

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January 13th, yeah. 
OK, go ahead. 

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So I mean, this thing is 
littered with just fear 

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mongering and conjecture and 
racism. 

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Like the SWAT thing that really 
stands out to me because Kansas 

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City was a small team, I mean, 
and it was mostly white guys, 

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but let's be honest, most of the
FBI is white people or the agent

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pool at least. 
And but we had, I think he's 

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like a mix Latino and and white,
I think. 

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And then we had a, we had a 
black guy for a while on there. 

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But you're going to just guess 
because like, who knows and who 

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cares? 
Yeah, and he didn't care. 

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And like people would make fun 
of him for being like Samoan. 

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And, you know, it was all in 
good fun. 

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And, you know, people would make
fun of me because, like my long 

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hair. 
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you're Irish and you know, like 
it has nothing to do with with 

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with people's race. 
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an underhanded, hey, SWAT guys 
might be racist. 

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It's basically saying, oh, black
guys in the FBI are afraid of 

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SWAT team members because 
they're white supremacists. 

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I mean, that's how I read that, 
really. 

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And it's up here at the upper 
levels of the FBI again, because

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they're up in their ivory tower 
and they have no clue of what is

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really going on in the real 
world or the real parts of the 

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FBI because they've been in and 
out of headquarters for so long.

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That's all they really care 
about. 

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They want to live in the swamp 
because they like that 

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lifestyle. 
They like that ego pad that they

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get by thinking that they're 
part of whatever they think it 

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is living in the Capital Region.
And and yeah, the, the red, 

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purple, blue state nonsense in 
here and just alluding to the 

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part that stands out the most to
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It's it's our job to ask 
questions and to to say, hey, 

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you know what, just a few months
ago in the summer, we had riots 

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all across the country and now 
we had something that wasn't 

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good. 
I mean, it wasn't that what 

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happened on January 6th wasn't 
good. 

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It was boneheaded. 
I'll say it. 

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I've been saying it all along. 
There were people who should be 

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arrested from that day. 
I have no problem saying that 

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because I've seen a lot of the 
video I've seen, I've 

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participated in a lot of the 
investigations. 

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Well, not I shouldn't say a lot.
All the ones that came into 

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Wichita, which it, it's a 
substantial amount because of 

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how they were running it, 
because it was you must do this.

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You must do it how Paula Bates 
says or else. 

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And I think that was reflective 
across the entire FBI because 

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everyone I know from people from
Quantico that are at different 

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field offices to people up in 
Kansas City or whatever to 

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Wichita, it was like nothing 
anybody had ever seen. 

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And it's like, it's literally 
our job to wonder why that is 

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and to ask why that is. 
Because FBI agents who were 

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paying attention, they saw what 
was happening in Seattle, where 

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they boarded off I think like 6 
square blocks of the city and 

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said, hey, this is an autonomous
zone now. 

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Did you tell me? 
That outside the White House, 

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did you know that there was a 
quote, UN quote, Black House 

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Autonomous Zone that was set up 
in the end of June of 2020? 

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I I didn't know that so. 
Why did that not get so much 

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coverage? 
Right. 

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Well, how is that's not an 
insurrection. 

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They're literally trying to cede
parts of the country. 

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In DC of all places. 
Yeah, and the, and the FBI is 

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not going to get involved with 
that. 

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OK, that makes sense. 
But yeah, it's it, it really 

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does make you wonder. 
And the other thing they 

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mentioned it in the in the 
Durham hearing the other day, 

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confirmation bias. 
This whole investigation was 

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riddled with confirmation bias. 
I don't know if I, if I talk to 

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you about it, I've talked about 
it before, but one of my 

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protected disclosures was 
regarding a January 6th lead 

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that I got and I won't go 
through the whole thing, but it 

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essentially resulted in, it was 
an anonymous tip, which we know 

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holds very little weight. 
But I said, you know what, 

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because I saw the way that this 
case was trending, I was like, 

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all right, I got to do my due 
diligence like really well, 

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better than normal probably to, 
to run this to ground. 

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So I start working on it and 
along the way, over the course 

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of maybe like a week, I get like
additional leads and other 

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stuff. 
One of the things I got was a 

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facial recognition match they 
claimed. 

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And by that point I had already 
pulled. 

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I mean, I like the first day I 
got the lead. 

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I pulled the guy's most recent 
dot photo and he's. 

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Dot is a driver's license photo,
yeah. 

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Yeah, Yep. 
And so he, he's bald and he's 

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probably 300 lbs, no facial 
hair. 

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And the facial recognition match
that I had was a guy who was 

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probably like a hundred 150 lbs 
lighter, full head of hair. 

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And I'm like, what the heck is 
going on here? 

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So I tracked down like the guy 
at the lab who said it was a 

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match and, and he's like, I, I 
sent him the dot photo and right

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away on the phone, he's like, 
no, that's not, he's like, just 

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disregard what I sent you. 
Somebody in Kansas City sent me 

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00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,400
a different photo. 
And so I ended up tracking that 

452
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,360
person down and I, I told them 
the whole course of events. 

453
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,240
And I was like, dude, you used a
driver's license photo from 

454
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,800
about 25 years or 20 years 
somewhere in there maybe 20-3 

455
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,760
years prior. 
And the guy was adamant that 

456
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:57,560
regardless, Quantico said I had 
a match. 

457
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,960
And I'm like, dude, that this is
violating this guy's due process

458
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,560
by moving forward with this. 
And he, he just continued to say

459
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,880
you have a match. 
They said you have a match. 

460
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,040
And then at the end he was like,
it's your case. 

461
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,800
You do whatever you want with 
it, but you still have a match. 

462
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,280
Right. 
Obviously it is your case. 

463
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,360
That's the whole point, right? 
Like one way or another, like 

464
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,600
you're the one who gets to 
decide whether or not you're 

465
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,120
going to work it, how you're 
going to work it. 

466
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,800
And then you're, you're the one 
who's supposed to say, OK, in, 

467
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,920
in light of all this 
information, do I continue on? 

468
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,400
Are there logical investigative 
steps when this is clearly not 

469
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,640
the person that I'm you know 
that I'm being told that it is? 

470
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,280
Yeah. 
And so I mean, I know people 

471
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,760
would say, well, that's just an 
anecdotal example, OK, sure. 

472
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,480
But once you start building a 
body of evidence, look at all 

473
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,440
the like what just came out with
Paula Bate or this FOIA e-mail 

474
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,400
that that we pulled up or Steve 
Friends protected disclosure 

475
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,440
information. 
I mean it, it is it's, it should

476
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,920
be readily apparent to everyone 
that this is like a very 

477
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,080
politically motivated and 
confirmation bias filled 

478
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,600
investigation. 
Do me a favor, you said 

479
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,720
something about collecting the 
dots the other day, not 

480
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,240
connecting, but collecting. 
Will you kind of say where you 

481
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,280
came up with that idea? 
Because I think it's interesting

482
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,880
and also it's a good book 
recommendation. 

483
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:13,920
Sure. 
Yeah. 

484
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:20,560
So there's a book out there by a
guy named Pete Blaber BLABER, 

485
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,480
and it's called The Mission, The
Men and Me. 

486
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,160
And I first read that book in 
either late 2008 or early 2009 

487
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,800
when I was deployed to Iraq. 
And it's been my favorite book 

488
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,040
other than the Bible ever since 
then. 

489
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,280
It's my most gifted book that 
that's when I give a gift, a 

490
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,200
parting gift or just a gift to 
someone who I think is, who 

491
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,880
would be appreciative of the 
principles laid out in that 

492
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,680
book. 
That's, that's what I, that's 

493
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,080
what I do. 
I give them a copy. 

494
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,920
I have, I think I got like 3 
left. 

495
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,720
I bought a box of them and I've 
been giving them out over the 

496
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,600
years, you know, and there's a 
part in there where he says in 

497
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560
order, it's, I'm paraphrasing. 
I might have it not quite right,

498
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,360
But in order to connect the 
dots, you first have to collect 

499
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,040
the dots. 
And that has always stood out to

500
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,840
me because especially with how 
my brain works and then getting 

501
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,600
into law enforcement and then, 
you know, coming into the FBI, 

502
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,720
like as investigators, 
especially when our duty is to 

503
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,880
balance people's constitutional 
rights with proper enforcement 

504
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,720
of the law, there's a lot of 
collecting you have to do to 

505
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,200
ensure that you're doing that 
right. 

506
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,800
And I'm not saying that I do it 
right, all that I did it right 

507
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,880
all the time, but it, it was 
always vastly important for me 

508
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:46,280
to think of what, what my own 
confirmation biases are, what my

509
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:52,200
own filter is like, and to try 
to put those things to the side 

510
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,000
to ask the right questions, to 
collect the correct dots. 

511
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160
That would then help me connect 
the proper dots to get to a 

512
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,560
logical conclusion at the end of
whatever investigation or 

513
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,440
whatever type of case, you know,
I might have been working on. 

514
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,880
And honestly, even like just in 
life, like a lot of the 

515
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,600
principles in that book, I think
they're not only good for our 

516
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080
professional life, but they're 
good just for our life in 

517
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,240
general. 
Yeah, I think that's part of the

518
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,480
the nice thing about sort of the
way military training goes, the 

519
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,560
way that military experience is,
it's, it's a much more 

520
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,640
aggressive version of what 
happens in normal life. 

521
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,520
But it is still something that 
is almost always applicable to 

522
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,560
sort of the way that we live, 
the way that we experience 

523
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,840
things. 
It gives us a lens to come after

524
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,200
and and try to shape what it is 
that we're taking in on inputs 

525
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,680
and and then, you know, how do 
we appropriately respond to it? 

526
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,440
In a lot of ways, measured 
responses are really necessary 

527
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,960
because I think doing aggressive
training, doing aggressive work,

528
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,120
being involved in things that 
are outside the range of most 

529
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,680
People's Daily experience, it 
does turn the volume down on 

530
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,800
things that are crazy and it 
keeps you from going. 

531
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,480
You know this is an insurrection
when you've probably actually 

532
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,160
been part of and witnessed what 
a real insurrection looks like. 

533
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,520
I'm pretty sure you threw some 
rounds downrange and anger that 

534
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,960
way. 
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 

535
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,040
So, and I mean, that's, you 
know, that's another part like 

536
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,040
of my filter. 
I remember when I did my which 

537
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,560
this is a thing the FBI doesn't 
do. 

538
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,120
Maybe they should. 
I did a psyche Val heading into 

539
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:19,120
my Police Department like it was
part of their hiring process. 

540
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,960
And I told the shrink that my 
filter was sand colored because.

541
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,240
And that really stood out to 
him. 

542
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,880
And because of my my time 
overseas, a year in Iraq, a year

543
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,120
in Afghanistan, and yeah, 
putting down rounds and anger. 

544
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,840
It's funny that you said it that
way as well, because I just 

545
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,840
talked to a guy who was in my 
one of my very first platoons 

546
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,880
and he's trying to help me get a
job perhaps. 

547
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,240
And he's like, dude, a lot of 
the people that that we, that I 

548
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,960
work with, he's like, they've 
never fired around in anger, you

549
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,200
know? 
And it's like, and, and you know

550
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,120
it. 
So yeah, that's that filter for 

551
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,440
me. 
And then so that is part of my 

552
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,200
decision making process. 
And so when I see something like

553
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:08,800
January 6th, which again was not
good, but the only deadly type 

554
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,360
of violence that I saw, and this
includes all the video I watched

555
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,520
that America hasn't seen it 
because I was an active FBI 

556
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,880
agent at the time. 
So we watched a substantial 

557
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,520
amount of video regarding one of
the one of the, the leads we we 

558
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,120
had, which that one and did end 
up in an arrest. 

559
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,920
But the, the worst violence that
I saw was when Ashley Babbitt 

560
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,600
was murdered. 
And it's like, wait a second, 

561
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Like I've been around guns and 
use of force and the weight that

562
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,400
that comes with for a long time.
I mean, overseas, you know, it's

563
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,680
not like it is in law 
enforcement here, but it's 

564
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:55,040
similar because if you were to 
just kill some Iraqi woman like 

565
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,320
you, you get, you get UCMJ for 
that, you know, and rightfully 

566
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,080
so. 
UCMJ is the universal, I'm 

567
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,760
sorry. 
Uniform Code of Military 

568
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Justice. 
God, man, that just went right 

569
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,680
away from me. 
I just went like into another 

570
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,800
world. 
Uniform Code of Military 

571
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,920
Justice. 
And that is the law that you 

572
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,760
operate under, in addition to 
any US laws. 

573
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840
That is a stricter standard that
you abide by both domestically 

574
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,400
and overseas when you work for 
the US military. 

575
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,280
So that's an interesting point. 
Yeah. 

576
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,400
You can't just send it and think
that this is everything is 

577
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,000
covered. 
You know, you're at war, so all 

578
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,840
things are covered. 
No, there are rules which people

579
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,200
don't realize, but there are 
rules of war. 

580
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,960
There are rules of engagement, 
and you have the same things 

581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,440
when you're a federal agent. 
Theoretically, I think 

582
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,240
theoretically you're supposed to
be judicious in your use of 

583
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
force. 
You're supposed to be judicious,

584
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920
judicious in all uses of force, 
not just deadly force, but you 

585
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,760
know, less than lethal force. 
And then also even bringing 

586
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280
people into custody when you 
start detaining people and 

587
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,720
removing their ability to to 
live their life freely. 

588
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,040
That is a that's a heavy, a 
heavy burden that should be at 

589
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320
least weighed before you go and 
take any action. 

590
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,040
I know you and Steve were 
sharing this privately maybe 

591
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,400
yesterday or the day before. 
Would you, would you weigh in on

592
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520
that? 
That sort of the gravity of, of,

593
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120
of taking someone's freedom as a
as a law enforcement officers 

594
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600
either state, federal or or 
local. 

595
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Yeah, for sure. 
So it's it, it's weird because 

596
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,120
ever since I, let's see, when I 
got out of the Army, I started 

597
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,520
going to school for criminal 
justice to get into law 

598
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800
enforcement. 
And then, you know, with, with, 

599
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,720
within a couple years, I, I get 
hired. 

600
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,760
And the two courses in college 
that stood out the most probably

601
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640
to me were criminal law and 
constitutional law. 

602
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,600
And I liked them, But I also 
realized, I think right off the 

603
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,480
bat how important they were to 
anyone who was entering the law 

604
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,240
enforcement field. 
And I never really talked about 

605
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,200
that to anyone. 
I thought like, oh, everybody's 

606
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,360
probably thinking this, you 
know, and then I get hired at 

607
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,800
the PD and I, you know, in the 
four years I was there, I 

608
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,400
realized like, oh, not everybody
actually does think this. 

609
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Like there are some guys who 
just think their job is 

610
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160
literally to put handcuffs on 
everybody. 

611
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,040
And it's where, where I was 
like, again, it goes back to 

612
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,640
that balance of, of people's 
rights versus proper law 

613
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800
enforcement activity. 
And so in short order, and I 

614
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,960
will credit out one of my FT OS 
field training officers, 

615
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,720
especially, honestly, all three 
I had were, were great. 

616
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,880
But one of them, especially him 
and I, we bonded real well. 

617
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,320
And he had a similar mindset, 
more of a libertarian mindset. 

618
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,480
And he, he, I remember him 
telling me once that the longer 

619
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,040
he did the job, the more laissez
faire he got. 

620
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,000
And, and not in a bad way, like 
we often think of the French as 

621
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:54,680
as not, you know, but he he was 
like, yeah, the longer I do it, 

622
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,600
the more I've come to realize 
what are the alternative 

623
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,040
solutions to the problem. 
And so I picked that up in my 

624
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,560
first six months, you know, as a
new cop, right. 

625
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,520
And then coming from my military
background, where in Iraq and 

626
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Afghanistan, even though it was 
occupied by America, like it was

627
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,880
still like a totalitarian regime
because they had Sharia law and 

628
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,720
customs and traditions were very
different. 

629
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,400
And it was readily apparent that
like the police and the 

630
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,440
military, they're not all of 
them. 

631
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,040
There were some good guys, 
especially in Afghanistan, in my

632
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,960
experience. 
But in Iraq, pretty sure the 

633
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,840
whole police force we worked 
with was corrupt because at one 

634
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880
point, like, we had the Iraqi 
army come through and like, do a

635
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,440
sweep and they found out like 
the Iraqi police were selling 

636
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,600
clocks that America was buying 
for them and stuff. 

637
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,520
And it's like, did you say? 
Clocks or Glocks? 

638
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,240
Blocks like the, the, yeah, the 
sidearms we were buying for them

639
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
to issue to them and they'd be, 
oh, we lost them. 

640
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
And in fact, they were selling 
them to like Al Qaeda or 

641
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,440
whatever. 
But so, yeah. 

642
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
So again, with that background 
coming into law enforcement in 

643
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,040
America, it was like, I've I've 
seen it already to a degree done

644
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,400
wrong. 
And even I've had a couple of my

645
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240
own personal experiences with 
law enforcement that weren't 

646
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,920
great. 
And it's like, I don't want to 

647
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,800
be a cop like that. 
And that's not what America 

648
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,240
deserves then or or the 
community that a cop works in. 

649
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,200
But so that it was always 
weighty for me to because also, 

650
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,840
don't get me wrong, there are 
times when absolutely yes, 

651
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
people must be taken into 
custody or absolutely yes, 

652
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,440
physical force must be used. 
And I don't like either of those

653
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,760
things, but I'm ready, willing 
and capable of implementing them

654
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,080
when necessary. 
And I think that's often lost on

655
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,600
people because they're like, 
whatever, I'm just going to 

656
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880
throw cuffs on them and take 
them to jail where it's like, 

657
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,680
dude, where are your problem 
solving skills? 

658
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,440
Isn't that more appropriate? 
Or instead of when I was a, when

659
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,080
I was a cop, we would call it 
pimping and it'd be like, Oh 

660
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,440
yeah, he's that other officer, 
he's pimping them. 

661
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,720
And, and that is when they're 
instead of using verbal judo, 

662
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,880
they're being confrontational 
with someone that we're dealing 

663
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,440
with on a call. 
And they're like trying to get 

664
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,080
them to get under their skin to 
get them to, to get into like a 

665
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,480
scuffle. 
So then they can use their own 

666
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,080
force and take them into 
custody. 

667
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,680
And it's like, that's not, 
that's not proper law 

668
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,520
enforcement. 
And I know what happens all it 

669
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,840
happens all over. 
Sure. 

670
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160
No, it definitely does. 
I want to, I want to drag it 

671
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,440
back into the the dots that 
we've sort of collected and then

672
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,440
we might start connecting. 
When you were getting these 

673
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,920
January 6 cases and you're a 
judicious use of force guy, 

674
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
which you've just demonstrated. 
And I think, you know, America 

675
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
is worse off because we don't 
have a Garrido Boyle out there 

676
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,280
as an FBI agent or as a cop 
anymore. 

677
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,240
I know we had that conversation 
privately. 

678
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,880
It's like, what do you do when 
you look at your resume? 

679
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520
But you know, you're a judicious
use of force guy. 

680
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,720
You've got this January 6th 
investigation that's being sent 

681
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,120
over towards you and they're 
telling you to go and do it. 

682
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,560
And I can't imagine that you 
were like, yeah, gung ho. 

683
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400
I think that in the same way 
that you've just explained, you 

684
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,800
have to look at these things in 
sort of a, a slow moving, moving

685
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,600
and methodical, you know, you, 
you handle things according to 

686
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,080
what the facts of the case are. 
If the guy's £150 more, you 

687
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,760
don't go knock on the door 
because that's not the guy. 

688
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,760
So how did you experience sort 
of the management structure, 

689
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,199
what was their reaction to any 
of your your takes and your sort

690
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,719
of judicious use of force 
mindset? 

691
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,960
So I I wonder how lucky I was 
compared to other people out in 

692
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,679
the field because my supervisor 
at the time brought up the 

693
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,880
previous summer. 
So he was aware of the two 

694
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,199
tiered system that was in place 
and he said we didn't do a 

695
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,159
command post or any of this for 
that. 

696
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,360
And then on top of it, guys on 
my squad, like my whole squad as

697
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,480
far as I know, pretty similar 
minded and which was good 

698
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,960
because it made for a good 
working environment. 

699
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,560
I mean, we're all different and 
other than the Tfos, we all came

700
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,360
from different parts of the 
country, but overall it was 

701
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,840
similar mindset of, of how to 
properly do this. 

702
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080
So and, and in fielding these 
leads. 

703
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:22,040
So for my that particular one, 
it, so I mean, imagine this it's

704
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,960
it's essentially a guardian lead
that I got granted it was pushed

705
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,040
down again. 
For people, just because we're 

706
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,240
we're speaking jargon a little 
bit. 

707
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,400
OK, so I I'm. 
Not criticizing I'm I'm just 

708
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,720
sharing. 
People will go like a. 

709
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:35,960
Guardian, they listen all about 
it. 

710
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,920
So basic. 
It's basically somebody calling 

711
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,240
into dispatch, you know, and 
saying, hey, I want to remain 

712
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,320
anonymous, but here's the 
information I want to provide. 

713
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,160
But you know, that first went to
DC and then came out to me. 

714
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,280
But so it's just a simple lead, 
which often times you can cover 

715
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,240
that with a paragraph in your 
report. 

716
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,920
This ended up being one of the 
longest reports I've ever 

717
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,160
written. 
And I did that because I knew 

718
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:06,080
full well if I didn't run down 
absolutely everything and 

719
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,160
explain absolutely everything 
within the context of due 

720
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,840
process and relevant case law, 
which I don't think I've ever 

721
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,520
cited constitutional Supreme 
Supreme Court case law in a 

722
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,840
report. 
But I did in this report because

723
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,680
I thought it was necessary in 
order for them to not be able to

724
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,960
come back and say you have to do
what we're asking you to do. 

725
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,520
No, you're totally right because
I, I threw out a bunch of 

726
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,720
January 6 leads as well. 
And I think you and I, you know,

727
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:33,920
we didn't know each other at the
time. 

728
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,080
We've never met. 
This is going back to beginning 

729
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,720
of 2021. 
And yet all those leads came in 

730
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,040
and they were literally hundreds
of thousands of leads. 

731
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,360
People, you've got to, you've 
got to appreciate how many leads

732
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,720
we are talking about, hundreds 
of thousands of leads coming 

733
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,880
into Washington field office, 
which ended up, you know, in 

734
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,440
places like Garretts field 
office as well. 

735
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,200
And I was dismissing them as 
they came in because on their 

736
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,120
face they were ridiculous. 
They were ridiculous for the FBI

737
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,720
to be involved in. 
It wasn't an FBI matter even in 

738
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,560
even in the the least. 
They were simply local matters 

739
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,640
and or grievances and or 
completely unfounded allegations

740
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640
that didn't bear any scrutiny. 
When you have 500,000 leads 

741
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,280
coming in, you got to find the 
ones that are useful. 

742
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,480
And this is pretty common. 
Like a case agent would normally

743
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,960
go out there, use their 
discretion. 

744
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
But I was also citing the Bill 
of Rights and sort of the 1st 

745
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,200
amendment protected activities, 
why we wouldn't go after it. 

746
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,000
And so I'm, I'm citing 
theoretically the things that we

747
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,600
all swore an oath to, which says
that we cannot engage in 

748
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,600
behaviors that are running down 
people's personal grievances or 

749
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,800
their political feelings because
that's not, it's the business of

750
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,040
the FBI. 
That's just not what they do. 

751
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,480
It's interesting that you had 
the same instinct to do that. 

752
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,320
Yeah. 
And it, you know, I'm glad I 

753
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,520
did. 
I'm glad you did. 

754
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,120
And hopefully there are many 
more out there who did. 

755
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,680
But I honestly, I won't hold my 
breath because. 

756
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,920
And also on top of that, I would
say this, if I got a lead about 

757
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,520
which of course we know would 
never happen because of how the 

758
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,000
FBI is being run. 
If I got a lead from Portland OR

759
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Seattle or Minneapolis that, you
know, John Doe and it's an 

760
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,840
anonymous tip that John Doe and 
and you know, you know, bum Fe 

761
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,720
Kansas is was was up there with 
the antifa riots, right? 

762
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,000
And they had information that I 
couldn't corroborate. 

763
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,320
And then I talked to to John Doe
and John Doe tells me, I don't 

764
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,040
know what you think you know, 
but I know that whatever I was 

765
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,240
doing on that day, I was doing 
legally. 

766
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,880
And then I get a driver's 
license for that's 20 years old 

767
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,880
for this Antifa member, right? 
I would do the same thing. 

768
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,720
That's right. 
It's not a political decision. 

769
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,720
No. 
And it's like that's a job of an

770
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,240
FBI agent or a law, a law 
enforcement officer. 

771
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,360
But it seems like people can't 
hold those two thoughts in their

772
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,560
head at the same time. 
Yeah, it's, it's difficult for 

773
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
people to even assess like what 
that involves and and what their

774
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,600
responsibilities are. 
I guess they get so job task 

775
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,000
focused and so on. 
Speaking of task focus, I've 

776
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,560
been kind of looking back and 
forth to the chat here. 

777
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,640
And so Ryan, Matt is in there. 
Thank you, Ryan for for 

778
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920
moderating. 
And folks, if you have not hit 

779
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,520
the like button and you're 
watching our live stream, we 

780
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
really do appreciate that. 
If you are watching after the 

781
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,040
fact, by all means hit that like
button on Rumble if you're 

782
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,680
watching it that way. 
If you're listening to us, you 

783
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,520
can always give us one of those 
five star reviews which we'll 

784
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,040
bring up at the end here. 
You know, the, the whole point 

785
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,280
of being task saturated, being 
able to not focus on or being 

786
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,120
able to only focus on one thing 
is sort of the reason why 

787
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,440
they're supposed to have the 
hiring process. 

788
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040
They are they're supposed to 
hire people with discernment. 

789
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,720
And I know you went through a 
rigorous process and I did as 

790
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,040
well. 
So it's sort of disappointing 

791
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,680
that we are not seeing that sort
of that push back. 

792
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560
And it's also interesting in 
that that whistleblower letter 

793
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,720
that we just read, and I didn't 
finish it all down, but it 

794
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,920
brought up the Holocaust Museum.
And I know some people think 

795
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,440
that you're being theatrical or 
that I'm being theatrical when I

796
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,440
bring it up, that I'm talking 
about something because it has a

797
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,480
lot of emotional impact and not 
because it has a lot of actual 

798
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,440
meaning to us. 
But you and I shared that 

799
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,000
experience. 
We did it a couple years apart 

800
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320
and it sounds like it actually 
resonated with this agent as 

801
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,680
well. 
What do you make of? 

802
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,760
The impact of the Holocaust 
Museum trip at the FBI Academy. 

803
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,920
Maybe tell people what it is and
then why it impacted you. 

804
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,160
Yeah, so it, it, it's a day that
every employee who walks through

805
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Quantico's doors, so analysts, 
SOS, agents, we all are there 

806
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,560
for enough weeks where they cut 
out one day to go up to DC and 

807
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,720
go to the Holocaust Memorial 
Museum, and then after that the 

808
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,760
MLK memorial as well. 
And it the whole point of, I 

809
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,880
mean, even the director, he 
comes and speaks at the end. 

810
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,280
And the whole point of it is to 
say you must be aware of what 

811
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,720
the depravity of man can lead 
you to. 

812
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,840
You must be aware of what 
history has shown us in order to

813
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,640
do this job correctly. 
That was my biggest take away. 

814
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200
And so, yes, when people then 
say, oh, you're being 

815
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,800
theatrical, bringing up Nazis or
bringing up the Holocaust, OK, 

816
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,960
well then the FBI is being 
theatrical and having that 

817
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,720
event, right? 
So, but it in actuality, you, 

818
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,960
me, we know others. 
And now in that, in that letter,

819
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,440
it's obviously resonating with 
people as it rightfully should, 

820
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,680
because it is harrowing just to 
go through that museum. 

821
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,960
You know, it's not like we're 
even taking a trip to Dachau and

822
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,520
seeing the empty camp or 
something like that. 

823
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:23,920
It's a museum, but it is, it is 
a harrowing journey to go 

824
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,000
through there. 
Like I was emotionally spent 

825
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,240
when I was done and I could have
spent many more hours in there 

826
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:30,640
too. 
But it was like, oh, we got to 

827
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,320
go. 
And on top of that, like, 

828
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,240
because I had my law enforcement
background, my military 

829
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:41,160
background, I've always liked 
history and the section where I 

830
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,880
learned about World War 2IN high
school was one of my favorites 

831
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,840
and it sent me down this rabbit 
hole. 

832
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,800
And it's like, man, they hardly 
taught us anything about World 

833
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,440
War 2. 
And I'm not saying like I'm a 

834
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,120
World War 2 buff. 
I know some that man, they, 

835
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,560
they've forgotten more about 
World War 2 than I would ever 

836
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,120
know. 
I. 

837
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,280
Had a team Sergeant that 
whenever he would sneeze, he 

838
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,640
would sneeze and he would try to
say the name of a famous World 

839
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,160
War 2 Marine Corps battle 
because he was a former Marine. 

840
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,680
He'd be like, you know, he would
do this kind of a thing. 

841
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,200
That's impressive. 
Yeah. 

842
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,720
And he would do. 
And then he had 50 more of them 

843
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,320
that he would do that I can't 
remember off the top of my head.

844
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,440
I just remember him doing that 
one. 

845
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,800
But yeah, you say there are some
people that really, really dig 

846
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,880
deep into it. 
It's a, it's an incredibly 

847
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,960
vibrant part of America's 
history. 

848
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,680
And in fact, it's actually a 
dividing line, I think, for a 

849
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,240
lot of people. 
I took courses in college that 

850
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,840
were called pre World War 2 
history and post World War 2 

851
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,160
history because since World War 
2, the pace has accelerated so 

852
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,240
dramatically. 
You can go pre World War 2 and 

853
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,080
you can catch everything from 
the American Revolution, the 

854
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,800
Civil War, war and the First 
World War and sort of the big 

855
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,840
conflicts kind of in one little 
1 little grab. 

856
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,960
And then, you know, World War 2 
and on is really the modern 

857
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,200
world that we live in. 
And so I, I tend to agree with 

858
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,160
you. 
It was one of those formative 

859
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,720
things. 
There's a reason why they had 

860
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,680
like the boomer generation was 
literally people who came back 

861
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,200
from that war and created a baby
boom because they had that post 

862
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
war prosperity and it shaped the
modern life that we live in. 

863
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,400
And until maybe maybe that'll be
a post Afghan experience as 

864
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,280
well. 
I don't know what that's going 

865
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,600
to look like. 
There's probably a baby boom as 

866
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,240
well. 
Yeah, maybe. 

867
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,560
One thing I think about that 
with the with the baby boom 

868
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,920
after World War 2, I wonder how 
much of the and I don't know how

869
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200
novel of an idea this is, but 
it's just something I've thought

870
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,960
about where they come back from 
this horrific war and and their 

871
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,840
deployments were very different 
than what ours were like. 

872
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,240
So when I was deployed, it was a
year and some guys would get 

873
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,680
extended to 15 months, 18 months
at the most. 

874
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,680
So World War 2, if you made it 
all the way through, you were 

875
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,200
there the whole time, four years
or so. 

876
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,360
And then you come back and you 
have, they didn't call it PTSD 

877
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,000
back then, but you have this 
trauma and these experiences, 

878
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,080
but you've now come to realize 
the importance of life, how 

879
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
fragile it is. 
And so I, I do wonder if part of

880
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,160
the healing process is I come 
home from war, I find a wife or 

881
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,360
I come back to my wife and we 
just start having kids because 

882
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,680
of how precious they are. 
And we want to rear them in the 

883
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,080
in the right way so we don't 
have to go to war again. 

884
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,880
You know, like it's weird after 
911. 

885
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,520
I mean, I was a teenager, but I 
was like, let's go. 

886
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,120
And by the time I got out of the
military and even more so sense,

887
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,600
how about as anti war as they 
come? 

888
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,920
So many, so many vets are in 
that same boat. 

889
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,800
I think that you're not unique 
in that. 

890
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,320
I want to bring up some of the 
dots that we talked about. 

891
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,080
All right. 
And so I'm bringing up on the 

892
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,440
screen right now an article that
you'll be familiar with. 

893
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,800
This comes from uncoverdc.com. 
This goes back to February of 

894
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,880
this year, so over a year, 
actually two years after that 

895
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,880
whistle blower piece. 
And folks, I'm just going to 

896
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,360
read it to you. 
For those of you can't see it, 

897
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,840
the the name of the article, 
which strangely I can't. 

898
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Oh, there it is. 
It's over here on my right hand 

899
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,720
side. 
I can't read it. 

900
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:49,680
It's written by Tracy Beans, 
who's a good friend of our show 

901
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960
and has been outstanding and 
supporting the suspendables. 

902
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,160
It's called terminating descent.
The FBI merges insider threat 

903
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,720
training with whistleblower 
training. 

904
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,280
I know Garrett, you're going to 
have some reflections of this, 

905
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640
so I'm going to get to him. 
But let's first just talk about 

906
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,120
what happened. 
We found out in about February 

907
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,400
of this year, maybe late 
January. 

908
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,320
This is right after the Catholic
peace came out and we realized 

909
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,880
that the FBI was going after 
Catholics at, you know, at mass,

910
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,560
calling them radical traditional
Catholics and sort of targeting 

911
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,680
Christians in general. 
We find out that the FBI merged 

912
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,600
two types of virtual Academy 
training, which are annual 

913
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,080
trainings that we do. 
One of them is whistleblower 

914
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,480
training, letting you know that 
you're allowed to be a 

915
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
whistleblower and theoretically 
are protected, which we found 

916
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,640
out the hard way is not true. 
And then they also do a thing 

917
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,520
called the insider threat 
training, which is essentially 

918
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520
looking for the next Robert 
Hansen. 

919
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,480
And folks, if you're not 
familiar with Robert Hansen, 

920
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,240
he's in a supermax prison for 
betraying this country as a spy 

921
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,000
working for the Russians. 
But employed by the FBI as a 

922
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,880
special agent, he was actually 
at headquarters. 

923
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,240
I think he was as high up as 
either a unit chief or a section

924
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,840
chief. 
So he was AGS 15, top of the 

925
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,880
general scale for pay. 
And So what they did is they 

926
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,240
combine these trainings. 
I want you, Garrett, to kind of 

927
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,240
reflect on it, people. 
You can go to this web page 

928
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,280
right now. 
You can go to uncoverdc.com. 

929
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,720
It's in my Twitter, a timeline 
if you wanted to go find it 

930
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,800
there as well. 
But this is AI think a very 

931
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,000
chilling moment that we were 
able to uncover and obviously 

932
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,200
chilling for our colleagues as 
well. 

933
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,280
Maybe tell people what it means 
to combine these these two 

934
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480
trainings and what we saw out of
it that maybe other people 

935
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,560
wouldn't. 
Yeah. 

936
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,440
So, yeah, I think it's super 
chilling because to another 

937
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,880
piece that's often forgotten is 
whistle blowing. 

938
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,680
As a federal employee, that's 
part of your First Amendment 

939
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,880
protected activity for you to go
to Congress and tell them what's

940
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,800
going on. 
And so when when an agency like 

941
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,200
the FBI combines these two 
annual trainings, which to my 

942
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,320
knowledge, they've always been 
separate, in my experience, they

943
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,040
were always separate. 
Now they're combined. 

944
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,920
Right off the bat, when that 
first broke, before I even read 

945
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,000
the article, before I even 
looked at the slide deck, I, I 

946
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,760
thought that they are 
intentionally trying to merge 

947
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,040
the two and chill the free 
speed, the 1st Amendment rights 

948
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,920
of employees who want to come 
forward. 

949
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,000
And then I think we, there were 
some of the, some of the 

950
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,240
comments by employees who, who 
said that exact same thing, that

951
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:11,960
that's exactly what they're 
trying to do. 

952
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,040
And it's like, oh, OK, so I'm 
not wrong. 

953
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,040
And initially thinking that. 
And I think that is what they 

954
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
were trying to do because a lot 
of FBI whistleblowers have come 

955
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,280
forward. 
And then now the FBI is like, 

956
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
OK, how do we, how do we quell 
dissent? 

957
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,840
And it was, we'll, we'll 
threaten them by saying you're 

958
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160
basically an insider threat if 
you want to whistleblow. 

959
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,120
That's right. 
So I'm, I'm kind of scrolling 

960
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,720
through the deck for people to 
be able to see it and folks, if 

961
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,320
you're watching on the Rumble 
channel, you can see it. 

962
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,800
Now. 
This is the really interesting 

963
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,920
part. 
So it gives you a little bit 

964
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,960
about what a whistleblower is, 
the protected channels, the way 

965
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,680
you can go about it. 
It talks about what an insider 

966
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,560
threat is and how you might 
identify those things. 

967
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,160
And then it says here at the end
at testation and I'm trying to 

968
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,200
get rid of this little piece 
here. 

969
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,320
Unfortunately, I am unable to to
figure this thing out. 

970
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,080
So we're going to lose Garrett 
here. 

971
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,080
It sounds like for a second as 
Garrett, you're going to you're 

972
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,800
going to sign off. 
So I'm going to let you go. 

973
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,680
You got another interview and 
I'm really grateful that you 

974
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,120
stayed with me. 
Say hi to Emerald Robinson 

975
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,560
folks. 
If you want to catch Garrett, 

976
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,320
he'll be on Emerald show today. 
So we'll go back to just talking

977
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,520
about this piece, but see you, 
buddy. 

978
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,640
And thanks for jumping on. 
Yeah, sorry to jump off. 

979
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,000
Thanks for having me on Yeah, 
bud. 

980
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,840
Enjoy it. 
So folks, I want to talk about 

981
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,280
this, this insider threat piece.
What it says is there's an 

982
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,280
attestation at the end of it, 
OK? 

983
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,480
And the attestation says 
essentially that you attest that

984
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,920
you've gotten this training, 
you've received the insider 

985
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
threat awareness, and you are 
aware that you have 

986
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,800
responsibilities related to your
protected disclosures. 

987
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,960
You fully comprehend who is 
considered a whistleblower, what

988
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,480
that consists of, who the 
designated authorities are. 

989
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,880
In addition, you recognize that 
a, that when in a managerial or 

990
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,080
supervisory role, communications
by FBI employees to offices or 

991
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,120
officials outside the chain of 
command may be considered a 

992
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,480
protected disclosure under 
5USC23O3, which I often cite. 

993
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,680
And you also acknowledge that 
penalizing these FBI employees 

994
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,080
for violating chain of command 
if they're engaged in protective

995
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,480
activities or that any 
retaliation against them is a 

996
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,400
violation of law. 
So they are actually trying to 

997
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,240
get people to agree that that 
they can't go after 

998
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,400
whistleblowers. 
But at the same time, they're 

999
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,400
also making these like very 
interesting claims about who are

1000
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,360
the insider threats. 
And I'm going to read out what 

1001
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,760
they claim are insider threats. 
People who possess an ideology 

1002
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,120
that seriously convict with the 
United States government's 

1003
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,600
interest, criminal or other 
protections activity or 

1004
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,040
prohibited activities, 
intractable financial problems. 

1005
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,800
And I'll tell you this having 
been around feds for a while. 

1006
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,880
There are an awful lot of people
that have no money that work for

1007
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,720
the federal government Despite 
that paycheck coming in every 

1008
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,680
two weeks. 
And they are in dire straits if 

1009
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,600
they lose it even for a few 
minutes, which I think is I 

1010
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,400
think it's very telling our our 
federal workforce is paid quite 

1011
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,360
well and for them to have 
serious problems financially. 

1012
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,120
My buddy was AGS four and made 
something like $50,000 a year 

1013
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,880
and he was a firefighter for the
for the Forest Service. 

1014
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,720
Never had money problems live 
within his means. 

1015
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,960
In the meantime, you have GS 
thirteens and GS Fourteens at 

1016
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,320
the FBI that are afraid they're 
not going to make their mortgage

1017
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,960
payment. 
Should they, should they have a 

1018
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,320
paycheck interruption? 
That should trouble a lot of us.

1019
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,840
But for whatever reason, 
intractable financial problems 

1020
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,320
always there. 
Like I said, they're trying to 

1021
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,440
catch them. 
Next, Robert Hansen substance 

1022
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,760
abuse. 
That's pretty standard sexual 

1023
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,680
activities that are compromising
or secretive sexual practices. 

1024
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,720
That's kind of strange because 
there's definitely some of that 

1025
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,240
going on, including what we 
found out the deputy director of

1026
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,480
the FBI, Paula Bate. 
I had three different 

1027
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,440
independent sources confirm that
they worked with his girlfriend 

1028
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,600
and his girlfriend was a female 
that was so bad at her job that 

1029
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,760
she was actually going to be 
removed from the job, but 

1030
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,320
instead was actually protected 
by Paula Bate and allowed to 

1031
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,840
attend law school in another 
city than where she worked. 

1032
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,840
So she essentially had a no show
job and he signed off on this. 

1033
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,200
And the reason he signed off on 
it was because that was his 

1034
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520
girlfriend. 
I don't know if Paula Bade is 

1035
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,200
married or not. 
Actually, people are not really 

1036
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,520
sure because he's private about 
his personal life, which is 

1037
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,840
totally fine except apparently 
when you're banging A 

1038
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,200
subordinate, which is actually a
big deal when you have a 

1039
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,680
national security clearance, you
shouldn't be compromised. 

1040
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,840
It's literally one of the things
they discuss is being a 

1041
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,760
vulnerability. 
By the way, I was referred to 

1042
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,320
the Office of Insider threats as
potentially vulnerable. 

1043
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,240
God knows why. 
Oh, here's why. 

1044
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,600
Because highly egotistic or 
highly egotistical or excitement

1045
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,680
seeking personality traits. 
I'm sure that's what they kind 

1046
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,960
of claimed to us since I like to
have a a shoot out in the desert

1047
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,920
and have a conversation with a 
cop saying, hey, man, you're not

1048
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,400
within your rights to tell me 
not to exercise my civil 

1049
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,520
liberties. 
And then the last one is family 

1050
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,920
members in oppressive countries 
considered advertarial to the 

1051
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,680
United States. 
My training agent actually had 

1052
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,120
that problem. 
He was discussed as a potential 

1053
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,960
insider threat because of the 
fact that he was Chinese, 

1054
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,120
ethnically Chinese, spoke 
Chinese and still had family 

1055
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,160
members that was living in China
at the time. 

1056
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,680
And they actually, they took him
out of some of the the 

1057
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,880
possibilities for advancement. 
He ended up going to Guam and 

1058
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,080
he's living the life on an 
island right now, as far as I 

1059
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,880
know. 
But it is troubling that this is

1060
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,400
sort of the nature of the way 
the FBI looked at these things 

1061
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,720
and they combined that with this
whistleblower thing. 

1062
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,680
So are you excitement seeking if
you go to Congress and you 

1063
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,240
expose malfeasance or 
wrongdoing? 

1064
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,640
Let me just tease this out 
there. 

1065
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,520
I know Ryan's sitting in here 
and he knows we're working on 

1066
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,960
this. 
I have taken a bunch of these 

1067
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,640
dots and we've showed you a 
couple of them today, connecting

1068
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:18,080
some of those dots and those 
dots are going to make some 

1069
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,800
connected dots. 
We've collected them. 

1070
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,280
I'm sharing a few that we've 
collected. 

1071
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,200
I'm going to connect them for 
you in a long form video. 

1072
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,120
It's probably going to be 
sometime early next week and 

1073
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,280
Ryan's going to work on it with 
me. 

1074
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,760
When we do that, I think you're 
going to see a comprehensive 

1075
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080
case that takes the dots that we
collected from the BLM riots, 

1076
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,000
things that happened in 
Washington, DC in June, the 

1077
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,320
riots that happened in Portland 
from March to September. 

1078
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,200
October when I was there in 
Portland keeping an eye on what 

1079
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,080
was going on. 
The way that we saw January 6th 

1080
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,840
and the whistleblower testimony 
that we just had in this 

1081
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,440
affidavit. 
The this disclosed letter that 

1082
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,480
was foyed that discusses the 
political bias of former FBI 

1083
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,360
senior executives and the way 
that they were handled. 

1084
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,840
And also the way that all the 
suspendables were treated, 

1085
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,080
including producer Phil, 
including myself, including a 

1086
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,000
couple of guys that you don't 
know, but they work for the 

1087
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,960
National Security Branch and 
they've been without a paycheck 

1088
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040
for over I think 2 years now, a 
year and a half at least. 

1089
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,040
Guys like Marcus Allen, what 
happened to Gerardo Boyle, what 

1090
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,680
happened to Stephen Friend? 
Literally all of these things 

1091
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,160
are all dots that can all be 
connected. 

1092
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,520
And I'm going to connect them 
for you right now. 

1093
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,240
We've showed you that we've 
collected some of these dots. 

1094
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,960
And I promise you, the number of
articles that we have to go 

1095
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,200
through is going to be pretty 
significant. 

1096
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,400
So this is a dramatic 
production. 

1097
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,640
But honestly, I think it is 
going to be sort of the the big 

1098
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,160
work that has been done so far 
since I've left the Bureau. 

1099
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,640
This is the biggest and most 
important sort of testimony. 

1100
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,440
And luckily, we're in positions 
now to share it with members of 

1101
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,440
Congress, Congress in a way that
we've we've got those 

1102
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,280
connections made. 
I did speak to members of Matt 

1103
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,680
Gaetz's staff the other day and 
they're interested in it. 

1104
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,240
When I laid it out, they were 
like, of course, of course, that

1105
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:54,800
makes sense. 
Does anyone know about it? 

1106
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,160
And of course, one of the last 
thoughts we found out is that 

1107
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,920
the FBI is now internally 
investigating over 700 FBI 

1108
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,240
agents or 5% of the agent 
workforce. 

1109
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,080
It sounds like on secret 
investigations that are not even

1110
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,560
being disclosed to their 
division heads, the people that 

1111
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,600
actually supervise them. 
That means that they're not able

1112
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,960
to take promotions, they're not 
able to go any further. 

1113
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,680
But it also means that the FBI 
might be getting rid of them in 

1114
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,200
short order, in short form. 
That's kind of stuff is 

1115
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,400
incredibly chilling. 
This is Stasi type things. 

1116
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,440
This is secret police type work.
And you know, end of the day, it

1117
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,240
is actually terrifying in many 
ways for those of us who have 

1118
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been on the inside to know that 
they are doing these sort of 

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things to their own people. 
With that said, I am going to be

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flying to New Hampshire later on
today. 

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So I'm going to be signing off 
here just shortly. 

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We're going to be going to the 
airport. 

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If the the air marshals are 
listening to us, they can join 

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us there at the airport. 
I'd be happy to see them. 

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Give me a high five. 
You don't have to hide it. 

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00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,800
I'll spot you anyway. 
This is one of the most listened

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to podcast apparently in the 
FBI. 

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So thanks to all my FBI 
listeners too. 

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I wanted to say that and I 
wanted to thank you who are 

1130
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giving us these five star 
reviews that are really moving 

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the ball forward. 
We've cleared the 550 mark. 

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We're over 560 right now and I 
want to read 1 from Sunday. 

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This is by Charles stage. 
It's called the real heroes of 

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the FBI is the name of his his 
rather long, his rather long 

1135
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,840
five star review. 
I want to read it out to you 

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says Mr. Kyle and the rest of 
the suspendables is why the FBI 

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00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,040
was one of the great law 
enforcement agencies in the 

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world. 
Mr. Kyle and his friends 

1139
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,600
continuously mentioned doing 
their job and being conscious of

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not violating the rights of 
Americans. 

1141
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,880
Mr. Kyle and his group are so 
articulate. 

1142
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,360
They're so knowledgeable and so 
honest about the role of the 

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federal government the FBI 
should have in America, not the 

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role that they do have in 
America right now. 

1145
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Once again, honestly or honesty 
in this podcast is so 

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refreshing. 
And in fact, it's very 

1147
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,400
addicting. 
I think the reason why it's so 

1148
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,440
addicting is that we are just 
craving the truth. 

1149
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,120
It goes on with even more 
flattering terms. 

1150
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,720
But I do really appreciate what 
you had to say there, Charles. 

1151
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,400
I read all these kind of five 
star reviews that you guys send 

1152
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,200
us and you can get yours read on
the air by going to the Apple 

1153
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,880
podcast app and leaving us a 
five star review of your own. 

1154
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,000
Put a name that you want read. 
And if it's too silly, we'll, 

1155
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,080
we'll, we'll straighten it out. 
But I do really appreciate 

1156
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,160
these. 
I, I really do read them. 

1157
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,320
And it is you, all our listeners
that are moving this forward. 

1158
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
It's a big deal for us to clear 
the 500 mark. 

1159
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,680
Producer Phil said. 
We'd get to 1000 by the end of 

1160
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the year. 
I think we may get there far 

1161
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,960
sooner with your help. 
And remember, you can actually 

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,000
rate any episode. 
It doesn't have to just be 1 and

1163
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,480
done. 
If there's something that moves 

1164
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,320
you in a particular episode, if 
there's something you like, 

1165
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,600
there's a message you want to 
pass on to one of the 

1166
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,480
suspendables. 
They read these as well. 

1167
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,240
You also thanks so much for 
joining us. 

1168
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:31,200
We do appreciate all your 
prayers. 

1169
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,760
They are keeping us buoyed and 
we are thankful to our sponsors.

1170
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,520
Again, go ahead and visit 
patriotcoolers.com and use promo

1171
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,320
code Kyle. 
Kyle for 10%. 

1172
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,120
Go and sign up for that loop. 
Like I said, it's fantastic 

1173
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,320
information every morning. 
It'll get you ready for whatever

1174
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,240
water cooler talk happens at 
your job at catholicvote.org. 

1175
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,400
Folks, I will see you again on 
Monday and you can catch me on 

1176
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,600
the blaze midday. 
You'll have to look it up. 

1177
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,920
There is a segment that I am 
doing. 

1178
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,840
I'm sitting down on a stage with
Beck Ramaswami. 

1179
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,720
I'm very much looking forward to
hearing what that man has to say

1180
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,360
and kind of picking his brain. 
I think he's one of the great 

1181
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,400
reasons to have primaries, 
putting good information into 

1182
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,520
our heads and kind of sharing 
information with the rest of the

1183
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,160
candidates that I assume that 
Trump will win. 

1184
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,600
There's no reason to think 
otherwise. 

1185
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,320
But getting more especially 
stuff that he's talking about. 

1186
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,760
We're going to be talking about,
quote UN quote, defanging, 

1187
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,480
taking the fangs out of the deep
state or the administrative 

1188
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,600
state, as I like to call it. 
So look for that on Saturday and

1189
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,000
I will see you all again. 
The Kyle Seraphin Show on Monday

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00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,440
morning. 
Have a safe weekend. 

1191
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Thanks for listening to the Kyle
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1192
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,760
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00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,200
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