Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower.
An American Patriot prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth
because this program has no time for comforting lies.
Here is civil liberties, enthusiasts Second Amendment,
Defender and recovering FBI agent, Kyle sarahfey.
Hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle serif and show for
Wednesday. It's May, the 24th.
We are taping this the night before because Steve and I are
very busy and you can see I have the real Steve friend right here
at real Steve friend on Twitter. He has had a banner week.
How many followers did you gain this week?
We had about 10,000, this 10,000 which is about what like a fifty
percent, but it was 50% boost since my moment of coming out
with Garrett, O'Boyle. Yes.
So, we're going to talk about A couple things folks.
We're going to get into what it's like sitting in testifying
in front of Congress. In a way that probably is not
going to be discussed on any other shows that you're not
going to get that on a Hannity. You're not going to get that on
a Jesse Watters. They don't have the time.
They don't have the interest to. I don't think necessarily
they're trying to get the points and they have a purpose for what
they're trying to accomplish, but you and I could just riff
and that's what we're going to do.
So we've been talking, we've got a bunch of funny things that
have been happening over the last couple days.
Folks are going to catch up on that.
We're going to talk about white supremacy.
We're going to talk about Patriot front.
There's a lot of questions about that.
We're going to talk about people who run around with a, you know,
just in case Nazi drop flag in case they need to be white
supremacist. And I think you folks will all
kind of appreciate that. Steve, if you'll bear with me, I
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Oh, yes, you are. You are indeed.
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That's it. All right, let's go straight
into the madness. Steve friend, testified in front
of Congress today, is going to be broadcast on Wednesday.
It's one week. Exactly.
From the time that you sat there.
You were on Thursday last week, so, seven full days late on me,
what was it? Like?
And what was it? Like, what were the things that
were unexpected? That when you got there, you
were like, oh, that's not how I thought it was going to go down.
Well, start. The day before.
So I got there and my employer Center for renewing.
America wanted to do a murder board with me.
I'd already done one, what is a murder board?
It is basically a roleplay mock trial, ish, sort of scenario,
where they pretend to be the adversarial portion of the
expected hearing that you're going to have.
And it's sort of an out-of-body experience is very unusual
because there are people that, you know, and your socialize,
with your friends. But and they're acting like
Debbie Wasserman Schultz on purpose to strike.
I to she's the ramen noodle Harris.
Correct, got it? Correct.
And trying to, I can't even call him.
I can't call her by her real name.
Now that I know her actual actual Spirit creatures, which
is a Top Ramen packet parenthetically.
She looks better on TV than real life.
It's rough. She looks rough and real on TV.
It's so that's terrifying. Sorry, Debbie we're going to
call it as it is and you should get someone to do.
Your hair a wig shave, your head.
Go with the item Presley look that she's a guy on a press.
He's actually pretty She's seems like an awful person but she's
at least pretty and she has a lovely bald head.
Debbie Washington, O'Connor Sinead, O'Connor was very pretty
with a bald head. We're dating herself a little
bit there. Okay, so you got people, have
you ever heard the term murder boarded?
Because this happened for, you know, that was that's a complete
inside or DC thing, I believe I've never heard that before.
I mean, I can understand sort of a hooker to a role play
exercise. We're going to prep you but
murder board and that's been thrown out to me and I believe
Garrett said the same thing too. So I think it's a, it's a DC
term. Okay, folks, if you're watching
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and then also give us a comment. If you ever heard the term
murder board at attorneys. Particularly if that's a thing
that you guys do that, you say murder board that you do your
clients. I've heard about witness prep
before. I've never heard that term.
Okay, so they murder board. You they murder board Garrett.
They got you guys ready to go to war?
Yep. And I assume that's what they do
to Witnesses. That's and how nervous was the
Republican. Establishment about putting you
guys out there? They were freaking out and
they're freaking out the night before.
Even they it was very clear to me that in the night before and
then leading up to the hearing actual members of Congress were
coming up to me. Looking me dead in the eyes and
being like, you need to be ready.
Because this is going to be really bad today and I just
never got that set. So I kind of had a strategy.
My head, I kind of had a game plan for how I was going to
approach any sort of attack that came my way, right?
But I also have this I was very confident in my prediction.
Now I think they was going to go and kind of follow suit as how I
saw it happening. I thought they're going to come
in, they're gonna see how our opening statements go.
They're going to take a couple pokes at Garrett and Marcus
because neither one of them is actually held up to any sort of
public scrutiny. They're sort of on test it,
right? And then we're going to be done
you didn't think they're going to come at you at all.
I thought if they came at me at all be very short because
there's a five minute time period and they got to get their
speechifying so they can get their viral moment or clip or
something they can send to their donors that's going to leave
very little room. Any questioning was going to
mostly come from the Republicans because they wanted to prompt us
to be presenters and to be fair I think that like you said of
all three of you and they're not going to come out Trish I didn't
because Tristan didn't do anything.
So, folks, there were four people testifying.
It was geared O'Boyle who was our friend and will be on the
show very soon. In fact, probably soon as we get
back into the home studio, I'll hook up with him.
I might even fly him in out of my pocket just because I want to
hang out with them and we'll talk and we'll catch up.
This has been such a cool week to be able to hang out with
Steve. Yeah.
So or he might drive down because he's a mad man and he
hasn't had have you haven't had a job in a long time now.
So you might have the bandwidth to come down and he might have
the finances after what happened after the.
Yeah, we're going to be Frugal. And we're going to be very
judicious on there. In fact, we were just talking
about that and what the I think the plan is is to take some of
the money that was taken out of that.
They're going to make themselves holes close, as they can make
sure that they're not in danger of getting crushed by this ugly
federal government. But the second thing is they
might just build up a little war chest to be able to keep track
of. The next person is somebody else
is going to come out, you know, not to be too serious about it
but that I think that's kind of the plan because we got angry.
Got to know that there's probably one other person out
there that's on the fence and deciding looking at that going,
are they going to be able to look out for me?
To. Yeah.
So and if you are listening to our podcast and you are a part
of the FBI and there's something that you've been trying to say,
hey man, this is this is something that's a real problem
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You know, reach out to us the DMS on Twitter open for both of
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That'll go right to my email so you're welcome to do that.
I'm sure the bureau monitors it if they, if they have an
intelligence investigation into me, which I'm confident, they
can, whether they choose to or not is another animal.
We'll talk a little bit about that too.
But all right, but you're The tried-and-true people know that
you've been hammered on on friendly media.
But media nonetheless. Yeah.
And you had and you had the spotlight for eight months, now
kind of well-rehearsed. I sort of had that opportunity
to hone in my responses to my actual disclosure that I made.
So that it when the Republicans came back, I could present it in
a coherent quick fashion because there are time limited.
And then I kind of knew where the Avenues of attack.
We're going to come from the Democrats and really the biggest
benefit of the murder board was one particular.
Word that my counterparts at CRA advised that I change.
And they asked me very specifically about the money
that cash Patel's organization gave to us, and they said
they're going to come at you, they're going to say, isn't it?
True that you took money and your bought and paid for by cash
Patel Lieutenant of Donald Trump and they did that and they did
that. But in my murder board I said
well his organization gave all of us a stipend because none of
us had been Aid, and this was completely generous.
There was no expectation, he made it very clear.
I mean, the guy basically scores a touchdown, doesn't Spike the
football because you act like you've been there before because
he's a Class Act. He doesn't want any attention
for that is. What about cash bail Casper.
Tell ya. I agree.
Cash is Cash, has been helpful to my family as well and he's
just he's like an awesome dude. He just is and I know he's
really he's really chill about. It doesn't mean that he's like
not a good time guy and you know that he's not like something.
He's not sanctimonious. No.
Anyway, he's just he's just a bro.
He is, he's just a regular guy. He drank a Coors Light when I
when I met him the first time he's like, you want a beer?
And I was like, I don't really drink cooler slide.
I can like I said, well at least it wasn't a Bud Light.
It wasn't a Bud Light, not at all.
Cash already had that. In the sense, they have each,
they said, hey just don't call it a stipend called a donation.
That just sounds a little bit more personal.
Okay? That's and and it wasn't a
stipend. So I got a stipend when I went
to college. Yeah, right.
And I earned this dive in by doing things, which was to keep
my grades up and so on. It was part of a scholarship
package. There was some contingencies
that were built Into it. Yep.
And if I didn't perform, I didn't get the stipend.
Yes, yeah. It was a poor word choice for
me. I mean, I was the idea I but
there were correct. So, do you know what that Latin
root for the for donation? Where that comes from?
No, it comes from the Latin verb dinar a, which is, to give.
All right? And, and isn't that the actual
name of currency Dinara somewhere?
Denarius denarii. Yeah, maybe so.
But the the important part this was spilled in the, you know,
Latin there's a different vowel structure to it.
But the interesting piece is you even said, Ian, which I think
was exactly accurate. It was in fact a donation and
you're not a charitable organization.
You are the recipient of a donation from a charitable
organization, which is the same thing that people who get money
from Catholic Charities, get right?
You get like any number of non-governmental agencies that
are 501, c, 3, foundations. And otherwise nonprofits will
give donations to people that are in particular need.
And so when when I was asked about that it was like Setting a
trap. This was Dan goleman, right?
And Goldman walked right into this only trap has and talk
about lack of us, our results twice, he did twice and then he
used it on a social media because it was a scalp.
And his book, talk about just not reading the room or what
actually happened, he asked us questions and he said, did he
did cash? Patel pay you any money?
I said his organization. Gave me a donation.
He said well are you a charitable organization?
Right? And, and this is also a man
who's worth Upwards of two hundred and forty million
dollars from his inheritance. Yeah, so Dan.
Goleman probably never gone without in his life.
No, no. No question.
Can understand being worried about putting food on the table
or at that point when we got their donations, Christmas
presents under the tree for our children legitimately, you know,
you hadn't been paid in a couple months at that point.
When did you stop getting a paycheck?
It was the month before that. So it was in November.
Yep. Alright.
And so, first real month, without a page.
Look, folks, I want you to think about this.
How many of you have been in a situation where you lost a
paycheck for 1, 2, 3, 4. H, XO he's two paychecks down at
that point wife's out and then his wife got, you know, relieved
of her position for. We're not going to say it was
the FBI, but it definitely could have been the FBI and and that's
because his wife worked in an industry that the FBI would have
a lot of hooks into we can talk about this long for many time.
If it's interesting to you is, it's probably like in the past
at this point, but you're dealing with a scenario where
you're out of a paycheck. Quick.
Somebody comes in and throws a lifeline to you.
Was it a replacement for your salary?
No. Was it a replacement for your
annual salary? Not even close.
Was it a replacement for your monthly salary?
No. So just to be aware and this is
the joke that we do on social media sometimes is we've been
kind of talking about because I was in the same boat.
I was also a recipient of this sort of a thing.
You know, cash, wrote out a check incredibly generous, more
than anybody else is thrown into my pocket and same for you.
I believe until we started receiving a paycheck again.
Yes. And it didn't replace.
Our FBI salary. So the idea that you were going
to walk away from a six-figure salary, with a retirement and
benefits and all the things that come along with it and the
satisfaction of being able to do a job, simply to be able to like
get some of this money that was slightly less one time.
Then you have somebody, you know I've never actually met from
from a stranger, yes, who ask nothing of you.
Yes, it's pretty absurd. That's it's pretty absurd.
And I would find that embarrassing if that was the
kind of points that I was going to March out, especially if I
was worth 240. Million dollars.
Yeah I just don't know how anybody like sits there and
looks at themselves and goes like yeah I nailed it but he
did. He put it on social media that
way. Yep.
And apparently my response of I'm not a charitable
organization. I was just an unpaid
indefinitely suspended man. Trying to provide for his family
that was it out. Wash over him.
That was yeah that was a victory in his book, right.
And I think he'd looked appropriately like shit at work.
So I'm just going to say that I think I swore a couple times
watching those guys. Those guys got my blood pressure
up. Yeah they also thought they
baited Garrett of oil with a couple things.
They walked into a buzzsaw talking questions about Asking
questions rather about the fact that they had a pulmonary
investigation full investigation of Donald Trump, but it could
have been a plumber nari. But the pulmonary often times
becomes a full and Garrett, just like went full gangster on him.
He's like, yeah, but often times it becomes nothing.
Correct. So we've tweeted that thing out
and folks, if you're falling, our social media, you'll see
that we're pumping Garrett's account his attorneys, want them
to be locked down, he's out doing interviews, but he's got a
lockdown Twitter account. I don't know why I don't care
like the guys are, bro. He's our bro, he's our people.
In the background here while Steve and I are taping this.
I think there's either a primer graduation so there's a bunch of
people kind of knowing about which I pretty funny so so they
thought they laid this bear trap.
Was there another bear trap that he'd set himself up for and
snapped in his face for Goldman? Yeah well any of the other ones
oh well I mean there was this set Sanchez questioning of yeah.
Sanchez basically their own face on fire.
He was look okay, so you're sitting at the table.
I watched it on a live stream while I was doing it many of you
watched on the live stream, as well as I My board.
So tell them what that felt like sitting there listening to her
and like because it's a totally different animal to be watching
that TV and me going like, oh, this idiot, you're expecting!
Anybody could be attacked at that point.
Yes! Including you?
Yes, and you don't know where she's gonna go with.
We're waiting, I'm waiting on it and when she came out with that,
I thought in my head summarize it for people that didn't watch
the stream because this is, this is one of the Great Moments
probably in Congressional history for the last two weeks.
Let's do weeks get minimum for the same one of the great self.
On the same government body in which I don't Abraham.
Lincoln was a member at one point.
Gross. She, she said to Marcus Allen,
Apparently, one of her staff members found a tweet on Twitter
in which an account that was named Marcus Allen retweeted not
originated in which this original tweet.
Said, Nails it again. Slower just so people can grasp
how ridiculous and far away from anything.
There is a tweet from somebody. Let's say named Bob and Bob
said, Nancy Pelosi. Who is responsible for January
6? It was a lady, actually, I think
there's like flowers and stuff in the Emojis.
Okay. So some lady said a tweet Nancy
Pelosi is the cause of January 6 or set it up and some accounts
somewhere on Twitter at some time though.
Profile picture, Anonymous picture like egg profile.
Do you remember what the what the what the basis of the
account was? No, it was Marcus a like 90 5 6,
7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 1 and she read all the numbers, like a crazy
person. Yes.
And then she said, are you familiar with this?
And she said, have you used Twitter before?
Yes. And he said, yes, I have
utilized Twitter probably as an analyst probably is an SOS
because you do, try to answer it as if it was a work related
question, not a personal like many people would, yes, I'm not
sure he has a personal Twitter account.
We he hasn't shared any with me and I would be surprised if he
did most of us. Never did until we did.
Do it. So we got pounded out.
Yeah, and his response was, that's not my account and she
just kept going. Did you see her face?
Not receive that information? Yes, yes, I did.
What did that look like? I mean, I was usually, I was
dumbfounded that she didn't have a backup.
She was going through it. And then her, when it finally
dawned on her, she kept her stage, her game face, and she
said, well, I just want you to comment on this.
Do you agree with this? Just at large.
And in my mind I'm thinking The response of I would have because
I'm assuming that they're so encumbered they're going to ask
me something like that to, right?
And I knew at that moment that my response was going to be for
the record. You feel that it is in the best
interest of your constituents for me to comment on a tweet,
put at some point in some place by some purpose.
Some person I don't agree with it.
I think I would have said I'm going to invoke my Fifth
Amendment right to shut it down. Shut it down.
What a clown show. These people are, did you notice
right away that the hair color? Because when she came on to
this, how far away are you from those folks when you're sitting
at the table? Yeah, I mean, you can see their
faces. So I mean, they're not like 60
yards away from you, so you probably like 20 yards away.
It's 20 yards. Yeah. 60 feet.
Yeah. That's a long.
Yeah. You're, I mean there are kind of
on an elevated position to it. It's almost like a stadium seat
in there, the back and you're all the way down and I can The
Gallows judge boxes in its little bit distracting because
there's cameramen that are around the tables, okay.
You got to talk about that because every time I see them
cut away and they show a scene which they do rarely I realize
that the person that showing that scene of like my buddy's
face, they're right in my buddy's face.
Yes. There's there's like a camera
dude standing between you and the person like interrogating,
you well there's actually photographers.
And then there are robotic cameras that will flip around
and you can see them moving and then TV screens for you to watch
so you can watch the congressperson that's up there
talking or you can watch them on TV and then they'll direct your
attention to one thing or another.
So there's a lot of movement going around and there's
reaction from the from the people behind you.
It's not like this solemn Affair.
There was there was a there's some Applause at some point
there were people that were mumbling under their breath,
like it was a like a school board meeting there like, you
know, that's bullshit. So you're sitting in there
trying to keep it together. He had and Game Face, man, and
this is not, I mean, so the difference is, I don't know.
About Marcus. I don't know.
I don't think Marcus has prepared for that, although I
think Marcus has been praying for support from the holy spirit
for months. Yes.
And that's what he kind of did you guys get some back and forth
a little bit afterwards? Yeah, little bit.
He was just, he was a quiet, mild-mannered guy, but I looked
over and we all kind of had our little tokens.
Like, I had my challenge coin, right?
And he had a fairly large cross that he had on the table with
him, that he was looking at the whole time and he was really
prepared. He brought these Ziploc bags
open him up and he had no cards about topics.
The guy was prepared to talk and obviously didn't get a chance to
talk very much other than not using Twitter, right?
But the thing is this and so I've gone back and forth with
Mark slow but I think he's a very private guy, he said he
doesn't want to do interviews, I don't blame him.
I wouldn't I didn't want to do any of this stuff either, I
don't know. I'm fairly suited for it, you're
fairly suited for it. It suits our personalities to
engage in Conflict, when people challenge us.
Yes. And we're not going to allow
something that is wrong to continue.
So, if that means that we have to lose our anonymity, so be it.
Yes. And you're not afraid to put
your name to your opinion, that's a cost of doing business,
man, right? And I feel the same way.
And so, because of that, because that's the case, I'm empathetic
to people that want to be out of this light and don't want to be
part of it. And in the meantime, we got our
buddy Garrett who, folks. If you don't understand kind of
how this spendables works. And when we talk about the
suspend the rules and we hash tag it and all this other song
stuff, there are a couple of us that talk every day.
We're in constant contact daily multiple times a day, you know,
triumphs frustrations with our spouse who doesn't, or does get
it, or is having their moment. And, you know, we all like, it's
our only place to blow off steam because all of our normal work
place. Friends, are gone.
And all we have are people that we either have never met before.
Like Stephen, I've never met but but literally talk to you every
day. Yep.
You know more about what's going on in my life and what I think
about that any of my brothers do Kip?
Yeah, same here. Same here.
I've got siblings and, you know, we stay in touch like family.
I was but I talk to you every day.
I've been joking here that like, you're my work wife so good.
I don't wanna be anybody's work wife, but if I had to be someone
who's, I'll be your work. Well, thank you, thanks,
brother, I'll keep the beard. If you don't mind that said, you
know, Garrett has been kind of chomping at the bit and he's
been restrained and and so he sent me a private message, a
little while ago and he was like, did you guys have been so
generous with us? My family, his family because
he's frustrated and he thinks that we're frustrated with him
for not. Coming out speaking and and he
nailed it like he knocked it out of the park but he stole the
show. He so you're sitting there next
to him. First of all, you look like
you're with your dad at the school board meeting.
Yes. I said, ahead of time.
I was like, please don't make me sit next to Garrett.
He's going to make me look like a small child because he's, you
know, a gorilla bear. Tell people how big you are hurt
your, what 58, since being 58 150 and your Runner, which I
found, yes, a runner. So that makes me an iguana for a
cold natured. I have to get back to have to
just dig into this for second because that was another
Anything that so, you know, folks you meet somebody, you
talked to him online, you interact with somebody in
another field office and another work office.
You have some business relationship with a sales person
on the phone and you deal with the multi.
Okay. That's fine.
And you have a sense of who they are.
You get their sense of humor and, you know, there's a I had
no idea like that Steve friend was actually an iguana the
softest man alive. No, not the softest man alive.
Just like a has a narrow temperate, moderate range, the
functionality ranges from 72 to 74 and a half, that's it.
And then outside of that, he just stops working.
Will you tell people about the thing?
Like what? Because I mentioned it?
You've seen the iguana's fall out of the trees before, now
that your throat are. You least heard the stories?
Yes, I'm familiar with the stories top stories on your
burger Jonah. Yeah.
Because when every few years, when the temperature suddenly
dips for overnight in Florida, because the guano's are cold.
Natura. Cold-blooded their exothermic
there. Yeah, they basically freeze and
they Lose the ability to hang on, to the branches, in which
they are clinging. And just fall out of the trees
on the ground and it freaks people out because they think
there's a spins and die off. Like, they all got the covid
vaccine. Right.
Ouch. Yeah, and people panic and then
like the new stories are always wrong.
On all the local news and you can find them on there.
If you go onto any of the the YouTubes or the rumbles and
search for local news stories about iguanas falling out of
trees, there's one every couple of years.
There's like some cold snap as it as the global climate
changes. Whatever it is doing.
And so for you, who are not watching the rumble Channel,
what you're missing out on is, I'm wearing flip-flops right
now. I have a t-shirt on and I am
wearing pants that are made out of the same material as
swimsuits. The lightest possible clothing
because I'm in Houston in the summer and it's hot and it's
muggy and it's gross and I'm sitting across from Steve friend
who's wearing full pants. Are you wearing jeans jeans
heavy? He's wearing denim and he has a
Columbia softshell jacket on with a t-shirt underneath it.
Yeah. And we're sitting in the same.
Environment. He's a full iguana.
I have one friend that's just like you.
You're also a freaky woken up and run every day.
Yeah, I do every day, but I mean, and just just sigh quick
story. I'm the cold, please SWAT.
You know, we used to always, just tell us dress comfortably
cool guys because once you get into the house and you move it
around, it's in the wintertime. So the Heats jacked up and that
house or houses are the hottest houses I've ever been given
free. He got it.
Yeah. Things that make sense.
They back it up to 80 degree worst and it has a smell Well,
it has a feeling, it's like poverty.
Heat is so gross. Yes.
And I feel bad for the people that live like that but that's
what they do. Yeah.
So they can't find their heat
off in the winter time so they jacket all the way up and so
there are Senior Team later used to say like how.
Alright guys like trust comfortably cool except you see
put on everything that you possibly own, but just give you
a hard time because if you're outside, you'd fall apart.
Yeah. You just wouldn't make it in the
door. I mean, it was as far as I was
concerned, it was guarantee that I was going to be pretty quick
in the stack because they didn't want me to die.
Backyard. I'm perimeter.
And this is when what state was this in Nebraska?
All right, which got cold, very cold.
Yeah. So, and you just told me like,
you spent how many years are 77 years?
Yeah. And you were like this far away
from basically maxing out all of your tokens to survive the cold.
I mean, I gave every the full, the last full measure of resolve
just to make it through your last drink it to the last winter
and about took me. So I told the wife from now on
that, we moved to Florida. I never want to be cold again.
I obviously made an exception to come to this like hellhole
called Houston where it's freezing and freezing guys.
It's 90 degrees outside with 75 percent relative humidity.
It's freezing for Steve. Yep.
As I told her you're back to the beach with we look closer to the
perimeter to the equator. It is a deal-breaker.
If we even enter a movie theater and is slightly chilly the,
we're just going to eat the potatoes tickets.
We're going home. We're not watching movies.
If it's cold. I love it.
You all like the seraphim house. We keep it a 68 Frosty now.
To now, has to my. So all my children have the same
disease that I have. In my wife, have I call it the
battery, when they go to sleep, I'll come in.
If my wife's been sleeping if I'm recording something later,
whatever. And I'll come in and sit and
she'll just be like radiating, heat, disgustingly, hot, warm.
Like, she's the only woman that ever is like, she's always cold
because she's pregnant right now, but like, she's also
radiating a, like a crazy amount of heat.
I'll go touch my kids. My four-year-old child kick off
everything. She's got like a down comforter.
She kicks it all. She's just laying there.
You know, like sprawled out like a like a starfish and you touch
her. It is like you can see the heat
coming off her in the cold. I'll touch my other daughter,
who is 5 and her head is like sweating.
And it's like, what is going on here?
68 degrees with a fan blowing full speed.
They're tucked into their bed, they don't have any like the
have no sheets on them. Yeah.
And they are just like sweating and then my son has started
doing it now. Okay.
So he got it to. He's a thermal active.
I don't know if they're mutants and they're going through
something. I've seen some movies with that
happens. My little guys like that, but I
think the opposite of that is, is my mom.
My mom, Mom, is that what you said, battery?
I was like, she's like the Rogue so X-Men.
So she comes up and she sucks heat out of people.
Yeah. So she's like in your hand and
then they don't dangle her hand will, you know, go up by like
one degree and then you'll feel like you're stuck in an ice
chamber. Yeah, my wife does it with her
feet, which I don't hate, I don't care.
It's like, I actually like things to be cold, I actually
did really well. So I went through, I went
through some summer military training and I almost died and I
didn't like that and I had a like a body temperature of and
six rectal. As somebody mentioned, the
Silver Bullet, it's not very fun, that's what that looks
like. And having a body temp over 106
is like when your brain starts to break down like you start
denaturing, the proteins inside your neurons.
And it's not a way to go so that that was that sucked pretty
badly. I also went through water
training and water confidence training in the winter and it
was 20 degrees. This anyway it was epic.
I swam in Lakes where he was. We had like a like a less than a
spring wetsuit like a dive skin. And we went and swam a mile and
it was, you know, 20 degrees outside no steam coming off the
water and and my buddy who was built just like you turn into a
human icicle. Yeah.
Sergeant Mike turned into an icicle and he just Bob, like a
cartoon next to me that I told you this yesterday, if I had to
go to survivals, if I was a poww, they wouldn't have to do
anything to me, other than make the thermostat down to like 66
and I would give up the nuclear football.
Yeah. And like an hour, not an hour.
It's just well, that's teen minutes.
It takes a few minutes to get the room to temperature.
Hit my fingernails would turn blue. 20 to 25 minutes and then
they could put you on the concrete floor and then use just
give it all how man give it up. Better never wind up in North
Korea. Just surrendering everything.
All right, so you're sitting next to Garrett.
Sorry we could like we get we've been doing this for a week or
for four days right now where we just, it's nonstop riffing
laughing about the stupidity of life and just the fact that
we're still living which is pretty fun.
Is there any chance that if I feel ask me that so producer
Phil? And I talked earlier today and
he was like hey man I know you're really busy today.
Argue. But I want to run this by you.
He's like you had called up Steve fried.
The day, would you guys both went public and we're like
Steve. Don't worry.
This is what's going to happen next.
And then I laid out the path that led us to you and I sitting
right across from each other. I would think you're one of the
crazy people on LinkedIn that hits me up every day and tells
you about the satellite that's in their head.
Correct. Correct.
Its, we had that moment today, we're there was like this,
self-awareness check mode. We just have to pinch pinch.
So people have to under like we think this is funny too.
If you think it Like that's quirky like these guys used to
do special like they, we were the quietest.
Now we were never quiet. Probably, I was never quiet.
You probably were, but we were doing the most unimportant job
to the bureau, like, dealing with Indian Affairs.
Yeah. Nobody cares.
Regardless of what the lady, who I dealt with, says, nobody cares
about Indian. Reservations.
No, we cared. Yeah, I actually did care.
I like doing the work. I like to actually impact a
community. That was why I thought.
Well, this is why I'm a police officer and it turns out it's
only We place in the FBI's, the only time when you can go join
that organization and then directly impact people in that
way on the frequency that you can like you would a place all
the time. I had no idea that I want to do
that till I realized how much I hated doing.
Not that. Yeah.
Same here.
I mean, it was just, I, I, when
I was there, I was like, man, I'm is the best kept secret of
all time, right? This is unbelievable.
You get to do the real work. Yes.
And nobody cares. And nobody bothers you and you
just run your cases. Yep.
No. Oversight.
They're just happy that it's getting handled and somebody's
there and if you're smiling, you're You're this unicorn to
them. Nobody knows what's going on.
Yeah, yeah. All right.
So that's that we were doing that, and then the job is gone.
So, that's a shame. And then we should have been
crushed by all accounts. Yeah, we should just been, I
don't know working as a barista somewhere or there's so many
people that have had the same experiences us where they
basically came forward with something and they were homeless
lost their minds, a lot of them lose their own minds, and we get
some of them in the DMS. So we'll get people that will
hit us up and they'll be like, hey, I did this thing.
I blew the whistle on this government agency or this and
that, and they snap. They go sideways.
Yeah. And they've got nothing.
Then that. Nothing too.
And the you and they'll give you like really specific details,
that it's not a it wasn't a crazy person that would that you
know, had ray gun shooting them from outer space.
No no it'll be like legitimate stuff.
Yep. And they date it and you realize
this has been plaguing their mind for a decade plus because
people basically said nobody cares.
Correct and they gave up their life, not on purpose.
Yeah. All right.
So you and I have a reality check so just so you understand
the context of what that looks like, which is that we don't
take ourselves at seriously. Lee and when something happens,
we were like this is he's about to share with you, then we laugh
because it's absurd. It's absurd that we're in this
scenario and it's absurd that we're standing and we're not
crushed. Yeah.
All right. Go.
So we are on the set of a film, which I don't know if we should
share the details of you have were approved.
But we'll just say, go light. Yeah, we're on the set of a film
and which we are advising advising on and in Kyle receives
a an inquiry. Request for him to appear on the
Tuesday evening, show, during the 8:00 Primetime.
Our on Fox News, which used to be Tucker slot.
Yeah. And he's really tired and more
out and things which I am by that, I don't want to do that,
Steve, you interested, I made it up.
I made a promise to myself before this week started that I
was going to give my attention to what I was asked to do, which
is the way I operate. Like, people know me, I'm full
blast all the way I just I dive in, that's why Have all this
stuff with brought up, I brought a road board.
I've got 200 feet of cables here.
You know, I got the laptop setup but I brought the microphones
and the thing and I drove my truck so I could have all my
stuff. So that's the way I operate and
I made a promise to myself that I was going to focus on the task
that I was getting paid to do as a technical advisor that I'll
give it my all and not be distracted by anything else
because I don't know anybody else Legions.
Other than I'm going to do this podcast with you all and I'm
going to be there. So that's what I was doing and
then they're like hey can we get you on?
You know Fox and it's like I already knew that I was going to
try to hand it off to people, either Steve or Garrett the guys
who need the spotlight for what they just did, which was very
honorable and brave and obviously difficult and a
challenge as they murder. Boarded you which I've never
been no one ever told me they were going to order border
murder board. I've been waterboarded.
That's fun. That's fine.
Do that every day. Make it a waterboard of me.
Bring it on. So so I just I'm like Steve and
my response was okay. You can throw it to me.
Hey, by the way, I'm not going to be able to make that event
with Vic ramaswamy presidential candidate.
Would you be interested in doing that in a couple weeks and your
response? I was like, what you watched
what's the Heather week which we requested a.
So we're so we've gone from basically working our butts off
for free to try to make this message stick.
Now, it's sticking and, and, you know, you and I have been doing
media has foot. If you don't understand how
showing up on a fox or showing up on a Newsmax, or or being on
a A lot of these podcasts work, people ask you to be there.
If you're someone like Steve and I, we take it pretty seriously.
So we show up five minutes earlier, 15 minutes early and
we're dressed appropriately, generally speaking.
And and then we go and we do it and we do it to the best that we
can, but there's no money involved.
It's just we're doing it because the message is important.
Yep. And so, I'm, I'm burned out from
doing a lot of that like, yeah, I'm 20 of them in a week for
multiple weeks for nine months or eight months, or whatever.
The heck it's been. Yeah, which is wild.
I've been on TV more than most people who are on TV.
A living. Oh, big and significant name
people in your on these these shows.
And and you wouldn't think that say five or six TV appearances
in a day would be that draining. Especially when you're talking
about the similar material and every one of them and may,
what's the aggregate amount of time you're talking?
It's gonna be less than the length of this podcast.
Sometimes it's not I do podcast sometime like I'll do a couple
podcast and day. I'll do 15 or 45 minutes here or
there. I'll jump on with Matt couch or
I'll go jump on with Gorka and some of these like some of these
things, go long. So I guess I've clocked Seven
hours in front of a TV plus. Plus my bot gets into a Twitter
space. And if I do a Twitter space,
it's even more. Which that's me still sitting
next to this machine folks. And when I do Twitter spaces and
you see it on, like I'm literally with the be the board
here, the computer I'm researching, I'm trying to be
Funk. I'm trying to be useful to
people that I make myself available anyway.
So, yeah. So we just relax.
I'm just like, I don't know if I could do it.
So I'm gonna go try to go to New Hampshire.
Yeah. Because I can.
Yep. And that seems like an
interesting thing and it worked out for me because he brings
with it. Frees me up to go.
See Mike, Huckabee the day before.
Right. Because, because that's where
we're at because we're living in this bizarre sideways World.
We're fairly significant famous. People want to entertain her
ideas. So I told Garrett something
right when we got started, this was probably in November or
December of 2021. So that goes back now, 18
months, mmm. And I go Garrett.
We're going to get these SOB's. We're going to we're going to
make this thing like we're not stopping.
Hmm. Like they picked a fight with
somebody who's going to fight like right.
Like you kill me. Mmm, that's pretty much it.
Yeah. And I know you feel the same way
but I didn't know that until the minute that you and I would
public and that was the first thing that we ever talked about.
Is like they're going to have to kill me to get me out of this
fight. Yeah I think pretty earlier
conversation when I was like bro I'll roll through any door with
you right now to take this thing down.
Yeah it has to be done. And that's it.
Like we're dealing with an organization that is
functionally Immortal. That is lost all guardrails.
So we're going to keep fighting it all the way.
All right, we're going to talk about, you sitting next to your
dad, Garrett who stole the show he did.
He doesn't beginning, his opening statement was incredible
was emotionally impactful. I know my wife said she was kind
of tearing up. I knew other women said the same
thing. I've gotten a bunch of messages
about it as well, you could feel it in the room and I told him
afterwards Look, I figured they were to come at you.
You're kind of this not enough for nothing.
You look like a big dumb jock and their dare assume that your
that yeah he runs deep. So Garrett's 62 275.
He's got shoulder-length long hair.
He's got that big beard. Hmm he looks like a Woodsman but
he is the gentle giant incarnate.
And he his statement said that his response at that and is
closing and that wasn't planned. I mean that was a question.
He was responding to about this government will crush you and
where he was talking about telling people who were thinking
about blowing the whistle that maybe they should rethink that
it was the perfect clothes and I forget who asked him that said
that I can't think of a better way to close out this hearing.
Yeah, I want to say was Stewart, but I could be wrong and it was,
it was, it was a perfectly great way to end it, but I don't think
they could have kept it going as, I don't know.
If you saw on the TV, like every one of the Democrats were just
doing the Homer Simpson into the bushes where they really, yeah,
they're really we don't see. That's why I wanted you to come
talk about to goodbye. They knew that they had lost the
steam. Yeah.
And they won by one. Where would, they would do their
five minutes? And they would just get up and
then walk out by the end of the hearing.
Stacy Plaskett was the only one that was sitting at the entire
table. Everyone had left.
And I don't know, Republicans have not like all them stuck
around to, but there was at least a handful and then the few
that did stick around met with us afterwards for lunch in the
conference room when the majority Chambers.
And and that was sort of it was it was nice to get to talk to
the actual men that were in. You figure in a position to
impact stuff, any wasn't stick around and do lunch with you
guys know. There are few before him they
came and talked to us as a couple of them are squared away.
Yeah. Yeah, there was one from
Florida. Yeah, he shan't.
What's Cat's last name? I can't think of her last name.
I don't remember. And then there was the one from
Wyoming who knocked out Liz Cheney she came.
And yeah, she came in right? Yeah.
So we'll put their name in the comments for me.
I should know these names. I saw them a minute ago and they
blanket. I mean, it's been kind of a long
while day in the sun. Yeah, that being said, they
crushed it. They both did outstanding jobs
anybody surprised you that was better than you thought or that
I really appreciated. Matt gaetz is preparation
because he brought some things to light that we had.
And I mean I think we kind of knew what we were in talk about
but he highlighted the whole me being at school board.
Eating in the parking lot thing and I'm that he caught a couple
live one there because that's actually gotten some traction.
And it was something that I kind of was like, oh yeah, I forgot
about that. The fun thing about the way that
our life works the way that your life works.
I'm sure as well. Is that some of the stories that
impact people? You can't know how they would
impact them. Yeah.
Like it's just an everyday. It's like that's a thing.
You did. It's a thing that happened on
one day. It was a throwaway experience
that you shared with somebody because it was relevant to the
moment but not necessarily you know it wasn't life-changing for
you. You now.
But that, that sits in a point in somebody else's had and they
go like, that's a big deal. Yeah.
And and, and Gates founded on that.
I thought he did an outstanding job.
He was, he was one of the few that actually wanted to ask you
guys questions. Brought you there for a reason
and he was one of the two they came to our actual depositions.
So that kind of I think speaks well of him and Dan, bishop and
Dan Bishop didn't really do any questioning his, but his
statement was very good agreed. Okay.
So there's all that I'm going to any kind of closing thoughts on
there. What?
They lost. They lost the steam, they left
the Democrats. Do you had with Those with
something funny about that. And then I want to talk about
white supremacy because I love talking about white supremacy,
nothing funnier than white supremacy.
Nothing more interesting. You guys had a funny experience
on the way out the door. Yeah.
You Wanna Give me the. So Steve is famous for saying he
was expecting. All he said this on Glenn Beck
show. I'm expecting all the people
from the FBI to be on my like, yell on your left, like Captain
America and then see people show up.
He had a very different on your life experience after leaving
this, this hearing. Yeah.
So we so care and I found her Way out of the Rayburn building
because they closed down the main egress.
We had to be escorted to this different area.
We were trying to meet up with his family, right?
And, and want to having a really nice Moment by the capital with
with his family, and Dan, Frosty, and Frost from from
National prayer, breakfast, and then talk to him for a while.
Prayed with him in front of the Capitol was just a great, great
scene and has rewarded us, put the picture out of that, because
I saw it. But do you share it with, just
us? Or did you share that as it
social, I have it. I haven't It.
Now I will have to put that out because it's a great.
It was a great moment. Yeah.
It's really neat. And then you said that was the
first time that some that any of you had been recognized in
public. Yeah.
Gary goes recognize and, you
know, he's obviously recognizable and it wasn't like
he ambushed us. Some was waiting for us.
We came out of this weird entrance and he just had earbuds
as your, he's walking, you know, on an evening.
Tell people who he is, by the way, he is big in the National
Prayer Breakfast in his which is in Washington DC for what, 30
years or something like that idea by Bae.
I Ben by it. I've done I think we've done
like a security movement through there before just to make sure
it's kind of clear the space. Yeah, I've been by it a few
times and he told us his kind of his background and he's just
just seems like a really great guy not, but we're walking away
from there and care and I are sort of reflecting on the moment
of the day. And then I here on your left
from. I mean, I'm a runner and in my
head I just heard cheating like a oh yeah, was it a bell?
If there wasn't, I mentally created one.
I just created the hammer here. I have a battle in my head.
Yeah, okay. Wasn't that like arugula?
No, no. But it's like a little girls
jingling. Yeah.
And I the voice sounded very familiar to me, right?
And looked over my shoulder and I can say with a high degree of
certainty, that Stacy Plaskett rode her bicycle by Garrett and
I and Garrett failed to stiff arm her off of that apparatus.
After all the nasty things she said, the upside is that we have
the satisfaction knowing that she's a bike riding nerd, who
leaves Congress on a bike. Yeah.
Probably because she's the one of the lowest and least
important members of that body since you can't vote and vote.
She's from New York and she represents the Virgin Islands.
If they ever decide to bring me in front of any of these panels,
which I suspect, they will not based on the fact that I do
this. I imagine that this clip will be
played. Yeah and also the clip of me
saying that I think that we should throw commies out of
helicopters like we used to. Yeah I mean I'm already in the
clear they're not calling me back to know well only Tommy's.
Well, we'll start with the commies where they bought,
that's that's historically where we've thrown.
There's a meme that I take that from.
There's a meme of these people. It's a man and a woman there
holding hands and they're walking into like the sunset and
on a beach with the water lapping at their feet.
Yeah. And it said you know some men
want to take long walks on the beach some men just want to talk
to the love of their life about throwing their desire to throw
commies out of a helicopter which that for for those who
don't know, that's my wife and I we have that sort of Her dark
feeling about just tossin tossing people that are
destroying this country for our children.
I feel very strongly about that. It makes me sad and I don't know
if it would make it better or not.
But I don't think it would make it worse.
If we had less commies, I've seen, I've seen a meme with the
similar language but it was a picture of Jim Caviezel from the
passion. Yes, it's good.
Okay. Alright.
Let's talk about white supremacy.
Yeah, so we had a President Biden talked about it at a
historically black college. And University.
Yeah. And yes, it was a, it was a
black. It was a black, a Charlie Buck.
Yeah. It was, it was a black
historically black, because he's not all there.
Now, putting bread pudding, brain, Dan Von, Gino calls him,
the rotting bag of oatmeal. I putting bring makes more
sense. He doesn't seem to be rotting.
He seems to be just, he's kind of like the Cryptkeeper though,
he gets more and more frail and slow and kind of skeletonize
anyway, not about Joe Biden. So he talked about white
supremacy and then coincidentally on the same day,
we got a new Ooh, version and view of patriot front.
Yes, and everybody thinks Patriot frogs are a bunch of
feds. I think you.
And I have a slightly nuanced, take on that.
Yes. And we've shared some of that.
Maybe break down Patriot front. You can even look at the camera.
If you feel like it like Ryan did the other day when you were
running the board, tell me tell me Patriot front, what's your
impressions on there? I don't want to skew it.
I'll lay in as well. I think that there and they've
sort of out of themselves publicly as this White supremacy
leaning. And so it's group.
If you have ever read the manifesto which I've done
multiple times, I read it in 2019 after the March for Life
because they were, they're trying to recruit and I want I
didn't know they were out there then they've been around for a
little while. Okay.
They were it's very clearly white supremacist language its
blood and soil, okay? All the it's all the buzz
placement Theory. It's not replacement Theory.
They think that they are being replaced at this that this
country is for a pan European ancestry.
But it's Apart from do stuff. That's fine.
I am so white nationalism or white supremacy.
I don't know the difference. I don't there's a Nuance there.
I don't care. Yeah I like racist I don't know
if I mentioned it but like I said you don't have to pussyfoot
around that. Like you can straight up, say
it, okay? That is the case.
Okay, from that, but you'll hear it.
I know in the interactions that we've seen like with them on
Twitter spaces, they're like kind of polite about it.
They are. But yeah, when I think they are
deplorable but they're also this, the showman aspect to it,
where they're all like kind of pretty fit dudes, they all wear
them. Matching uniforms and half it
like me. Not fit.
Like you. Yeah.
Like, medium fit, medium fit. Yeah, like like wearing a large
looks okay. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I got, I mean, Beatty got some high knees, they can do right?
Like, yeah, they're not they're not American soft.
No, they're not like sitting in Wally in a chair, guys.
Like they could. Yes, they look like they're they
have seen the inside of a gym in the last few years.
Got it. Yeah, they were matching
uniforms. They have the hats, they always
Have the masks on their face. Yep.
They always pop up when it's kind of a convenient talking
point to put out, and they get all this media attention and
they carry these shields like they're members of Leonidas has
Army, right? They look so they're like this
production aspect to what they do and I'm not really sure what
they do. Other than that, they do
production. Yeah.
There's an interesting way of raising.
I hadn't thought about it, but yeah, they're they're very stage
conscious, they're very, it's very presentational, it seems to
give it. They're always in a way that
like there's a meat media that is gives it either advance
notice. Or the, the footage of it is not
just a quick Glimpse, it's long and extended, right?
It's like a look at our marching Army.
Yeah. Idiots, you ever seen them, get
arrested, unless they were arrested or detained, but when
they were there, they were arrested in.
In Coeur d'Alene. If you saw that night, oh yeah,
Gypsy em. Take their masks off, never ever
arrest somebody with a mask on. Yes, you're relieved it on.
Know why would somebody leave a mask on worried about it being a
undercover or an informant whose identity gets exposed?
Okay. That's what that would be one
reason flesh that out a little bit because so I don't I don't
disagree with you. I think that we're kind of have
the same. We have parallel thinking on
what this actually, as I am not disputing, that this is an
actual organization that has an Serious intent and just horrible
beliefs and their racist and our qualifier is all done.
Yep. I don't think there are
federally run operation, okay. I think that it's highly likely
that their federally infiltrated by more than one agency because
there's an appetite for the sort of stuff that they're
perpetuating from the domestic terrorism standpoint to get the
hooks into to get Intel. From when you talked about IPM
in front of Congress, do you think there's an aspect of that,
that would be easy to tie into this.
Yes, yes. I'm going to put kind of give
people a taste of that. IPM is metrics.
It's we got to get the get the ticket quota for the traffic cop
quotas. So based policing quarter based
Federal investigations. Yep.
And if it's unlikely that there is a well it's likely that there
is a patriot front case open. It's unlike a there's only one
Patriot front case that I said opened, and by opening it up
either by chapters or more likely by Holes.
Here will take an organization with hundreds of members and
have. Now, hundreds of domestic
terrorism. Cases opened as opposed to one
organization. And the way to do that would be
to infiltrate it through undercover assets, conformance,
and the, the wonderful thing about these informants is they
are highly motivated to be productive in National Security.
They are not necessarily case-sensitive.
They want to continually provide more and more information, so
they're actively. Lee trying to Garner membership
and intelligence from these organizations.
These informants do not know, there are other informants,
inmate of infiltrated, so they might in essence, be situation
where they're very much like, the, The Wolverine Watchman and
Michigan, Right? The majority of the individuals
are a high. Number of people plurality in
the room are actually agents of the government who and, and
actually encouraging things to go forward.
So they can continue to provide information back to their
handlers, keep getting paid and The whole thing kind of rule out
of control pretty quickly. It's really important for people
to understand and I hadn't thought about it until you.
And I were talking to a reporter today.
Yeah. That when we say that 50% of an
organization is recruited by the feds and answering to the Feds
that doesn't mean that 50% of the organization knows each
other. There's not like an informant
meeting and then we send everybody in.
In fact that would be that would be counter productive for the
case. Yeah.
In fact that you're an action a lot of do that unless you
recruited them at the same time like buddies which I've never
never. Created two sources them.
Now friends are always always one at a time so your siloing,
the information. So folks it's to understand what
that means is if I were to recruit Steve and then I would
go recruit somebody else. I wouldn't tell the other person
that that Steve was also recruited.
They're all going to go act on their own and the way that works
in the favor of a federal government that's trying to
weaponize or activate these groups, is that when you get
them in the same room, Steve is incentivized to be aggressive
and say things that might move things towards violence, so that
he can get paid for his case. So is my second recruit and they
don't know each other so that looks very Grassroots an organic
but it's what you would call AstroTurf and that sort of
scenario and they feed off each other because they're trying to
one-up each other to say. And no, I'm even more extreme
than you are. And let's and that's how you
wind up with an informant as a vice-president of the Wolverine
watch and it's how you end up with a Babylon.
Be scared about you. Which basically shows that
everybody's a Fed. Yeah, we knows where everyone is
a fat, that's the best actual look at it, except they're not
all federal agents, they're all going to be a federal informant
for the most part with a few under covers that are actually
driving these things may be given money, may be coming in as
a weapons or an explosives expert to be able to kind of
keep a tampon that. And how was this a victory for
the federal government? If it's an organization, let's
say that never actually intends to carry out a sort of violent
action. They just want to parade around
and be racist. Yeah, so there's this group
called rise up that we had to surveil and Alaska's.
My first counter, it was my first white supremacist case,
I'll put white supremacy in quotes.
It was a 266, something, whatever it was November, Maybe,
And we went to Alaska to go surveil them and they briefed us
on the ideology and they showed us videos.
And I think the group is called rise up and they're based out of
La, at least the case was. So, we're watching this thing
and relax. So they're like Preppers and
they're like, yeah, I was like, but they're racist like, yeah,
so the racist Preppers who trained in MMA, and buy guns and
do outdoor skills and they're like, yeah, I was like why are
we watching them? They're like, because they're
preparing for a race war. And I was like, oh, Are they
advocating for the race Ward? And they're like, no, no,
they're not. They just think there's going to
be one and so they should be ready in case there is one and I
was like, I don't understand. But that's the that's the
difference between a criminal case which you did most of your
career working. Yes, which is very linear.
Yes and the alternative which is the circular, the circular
intelligence investigations which don't require criminal
predicate, get and then it can in the the amazing thing about
these circular cases as they Branch out and as you I case
opening one field office and another and another that
original one might be closed out.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you could spin out, you can close a spin, but
the Spinners are still going, still going there.
All tangential cases, just to find.
We're hitting our metrics, we're getting our bigger budget,
because we can show Christopher, Rake, and go up and say I have
2700 open domestic terrorism cases.
Is that his number? Yeah, that was what he was
presented at the last Appropriations request.
So the sum of that is fun, and then the other piece of it is is
that they can go out there and they can be like they can build
a body. Even intelligence work even from
close cases. The intelligence case is in the
reports from that intelligence are going to stay in the sphere
for the intelligence Community to build on.
I talk about a seed Crystal and then building the crystal around
it. Yeah, so those crystals stay.
Yeah. Even if you were to get rid of
the original case, the intelligence gleaned from, it
will stay. And, and how about the informant
angle where they're trying to provide information.
Well, when you have incessant media coverage of patriot front,
they can just go and bring that information.
To the Handler who they and their might have actually read
the article but because it's now coming from secondary sources.
Yeah, explain that longer arm because I'm going to pull up
something real quick but while you do that explain to people
what that would actually mean well inform, it is under
pressure to be productive. Another metric average agent has
to have at least two productive sources.
Meaning they have to meet with them every 30 days.
They have to be providing up-to-date and information that
is is going to be assisting, the FBI Mission.
It can't just be somebody that you buy coffee and hang out for
that. Mr. Buddy.
So, these guys are National Security.
They're not necessarily thinking it as like bubbles from The
Wire. Who's able to go buy dope.
And that's the, he's an effective informant.
This is just somebody who's good Paschal security there.
Yeah, he it's somebody who wants provide information on potential
threats of terrorism, but if there isn't anything that's
really spun up, there's no attack pending, there's no
really active organization. They still want to get paid.
There's a lot of money to get out there.
So they will tip quite frequently just call through
media sources. Find an article that they think
is Juicy and bring it in and say, hey, look, I'm hearing that
this is happening. They don't Source it from The
Washington Post. They just say they're hearing
it, they just say they're hearing it and and now the agent
who gets the Washington Post delivered to his house every day
might say, I read about that too.
But now he can say, well, I've got from a human source to.
So now we've now we've basically validated that From the same
Source but it's same Source single Source validation which
is one of the sort of the biggest sins you can do in
intelligence work is that you have no rigor, no analytical
rigor. Yeah, which it turns out in a
kind of circuitous route is the same reason why they went after
Marcus Allen because he was doing the thing that they claim
was not being done in the Durham report, which many of you read
or at least you heard from the show.
The Durham report said that the FBI was lacking analytical rigor
in their evaluations of sources. Yes, and people like Marcus,
we're trying To do the right thing by doing that.
That's literally what you'd expect find opposing,
viewpoints, try to expose the truth table.
That was one of the many problems with that.
Radical traditional catholic memo.
All the new sources came from one side of the spectrum.
Yeah. The Atlantic salon and then our
favorite Southern Poverty, Law Center The Kinks.
I'm going to get you a reflection on this and we'll
wrap this up. Are up.
What's your reflection on Indian named individuals who live in
Missouri? And running down running down
the White House. At a perimeter with a U-Haul,
any thoughts, I think they are the Indian phase of white
supremacy. The Brown face round phase, we
know because it isn't Larry Elder.
Yeah, really. Really is a black face.
Yeah, the Brown face. There's another guy in Missouri.
Actually, who was, and he was an Indian doctor, he's and he's a
conservative, he's okay, Republican.
Who was actually named Brown face, so this guy is the Indian
face of not just one pragmatism, right?
Ever, you ever heard of a? Someone running around with a
drop Nazi flag, drops knife. Drop gun for swastika.
Drop first drop swastika, flag drops.
It's good to see the pictures that I show you the video.
They laid it out. Like it was a sheet over a dead
body. Yeah, just photo-op
extraordinaire. Yes, absolutely.
If you gather evidence of a crime, you don't lay it out on a
parking lot. Where is gonna be contaminated?
But he did have a roll of duct tape, which everyone knows can
be used to tape things up as long as he didn't have the zip
ties. Yeah, unlike the guy who went
after Brett Kavanaugh who had zip ties, you know, duct tape a
bag gon knife Etc window, breaking material burglary
tools. Yeah, interesting world that
we're living in now where the false flag is so desperate to
pull up that they got an Indian guy, doesn't mean that it's not.
Some mentally ill individual who decided likely is that's more
likely than anything else. It's, we always want to act like
it's some The government op. It's just as likely just a bunch
of bunch of weird people. So weird time and we've had our
access to them, just broken Minds.
The internet has just exposed, a lot of them.
And you've done complaint Duty before in the bureau, right?
Yeah. Week long and small Ras men.
You get a full week of that and you get all the crazy calls.
Yeah. We actually because it was a
small office, we get the same people would call, and we just
write the list of them down, you know, if it's John Smith.
Oh, okay. It's we had frequent flyer
callers or yeah. Oh, yeah, right?
Yeah. And for many, many time, you
know, longtime listener. First-time caller, guys.
Yes. Yeah.
Like yes, it's Jim from Brooklyn.
Yeah. Hey, bro, we had Mexican cowboy.
Mexican cowboy was a good one. That would always come to our
our office walk in, and say, he had a drug complaint.
And actually, he was a legitimate contractor who was
trying to make drug accusations against all his competition.
Nice. That's a good thing.
I love it. Yeah, plenty of mental illness,
folks. Sometimes, it's sometimes it is
an op. And sometimes the op is just
that simple. Bastard, just cannot keep it
together. There's a lot of that out there
and if you work in the, you work in the first-responder space or
you work as a in the medical space, you'll find a lot of that
emergency medicine to. I think that's a pretty good
show for today. We're going to be back on
Friday. Stephen, I might do this again.
I think we might try to do it live.
I don't know what the call is going to look.
Like we've been where we had to take this cause we got to show
up early tomorrow so we'll be hanging out again and I'm sure
we'll have a bunch of more stories.
I think we could probably do this for hours as needed.
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