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Hey y'all, I'm Elisa. 
And I'm Samantha. 

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And welcome to watch her dear. 
Guess what we have not recorded 

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since we put out our live? 
I'm so sorry. 

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But we are excited to talk about
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But the first thing we're going 
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start off or most of the time 
we're going to start off with a 

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new one because you know how we 
love to drink a glass of wine 

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when we are talking to you all, 
OK? 

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When I was traveling I found 
this in Parkersburg, WV and 

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picked a bottle up for Sam and I
to put so we could try it on the

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podcast. 
So. 

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Take it away, Sam. 
OK, so this is from the Merry 

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Family Winery. 
This is called Janet's Medley or

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medley. 
However you say it. 

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It's from Gallia County, Ohio. 
And we love us some Appalachia. 

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So that's why we like to promote
our wands sometimes from 

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Appalachia. 
Anywho, it's 12% alcohol so it 

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is not for the week and we if 
it's tasty. 

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I mean, we may drink the whole 
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So strap in all. 
Right, here we go. 

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Get ready. 
Here's the pour. 

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Your glass, ma'am. 
Yes, ma'am. 

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All right. 
Sniff test first. 

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Sniff tester. 
Always do a sniff test every. 

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That is good lobby. 
Always do a sniff test. 

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Always, always do scratch and 
sniff, baby. 

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Scratch and sneak not. 
Doing a scratch and sniff. 

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Now you just went disgusting. 
All right, It smells delicious. 

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It's grape wine, but it's not. 
No, it's not Grape. 

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Yes, it is. 
Is it literally says grape wine 

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right? 
There I thought it was 

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Raspberry. 
OK, it's Grape. 

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But why is it got raspberries on
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Well, hell if I know it does. 
It literally says right here, 

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grape wine. 
But there's raspberries. 

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There's raspberries. 
That's why I bought it, because 

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I love raspberries. 
OK, so, OK, so let's. 

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Taste it and see if it's grape 
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Cheers. 
Now I'm kind of worried 

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I don't know what it is. 
Is it Raspberry? 

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Grape. 
I don't know what honest to God 

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can't tell. 
I don't know. 

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I don't even know if I like it. 
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On I'm a little confused. 
Hold on. 

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OK, Definitely not a favorite. 
It's, I mean, it's. 

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Definitely not a favorite. 
No, it's. 

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It's not. 
It's not bad. 

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It's not sweet, but it's not 
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See, I feel like. 
I feel like. 

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It's no. 
I feel like it's more on the dry

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side. 
Is the. 

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Shire Wine. 
Do you know what we mean to 

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look, if you're not a wine 
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means When like, it's draw, it's
like as soon as it hits your 

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tongue, it literally kind of 
dries up. 

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And you'll find that a lot with 
a cotton mouthy. 

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Yeah. 
Like, so you'll find a dry wine.

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Honestly, like with a. 
And this is someone from, you 

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know, West Virginia talking like
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and she doesn't. 
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closet wine and hooch than she 
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sophisticated one. 
But a dry wand, it hits your 

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tongue. 
It kind of dries up really fast.

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And I think could be wrong that 
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content. 
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higher alcohol content, you 
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like rubbing alcohol on 
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fast. 
So this is my definition of a 

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dry wand. 
Take it for what you want. 

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Allegedly I'm going to take 
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know how I feel about. 
It it's better than some of the 

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drier ones that you have had me 
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It's. 
Translucent. 

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It's pink. 
I'm going to post a picture of 

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it. 
It's translucent, but it's pink.

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But you know that third taste 
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That was better. 
I don't. 

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Maybe it's because I had my I 
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from McDonald's. 
So maybe that's what's hold on, 

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let me let me do another one. 
I don't know. 

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I could drink this bottle. 
I don't know that it for me it 

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wouldn't be a repurchase. 
I. 

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Don't know I'm I'm. 
I mean, I'm on I. 

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Don't think I would repurchase 
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Well, let's just get you a 
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how many. 
Bottles I may be like this is 

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great it's. 
The best day of wine I've ever. 

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So great, Raspberry, so good. 
It's the best. 

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But. 
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some wine, I asked Elisa before 
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record and we don't really talk 
because we save all of our stuff

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for, you know, the podcast for 
you guys or whatever. 

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But we do have a lot of catching
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you all know, Elisa has went 
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And I asked her when I sat down,
I said, so do you actually want 

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to talk about the divorce? 
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our listeners know you know 
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she's going through let's a 
change in life, not that she's 

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also going through. 
The change went through that 

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change. 
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going, you know, it's a season. 
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talk about it, and she said 
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And I said, well, let's do this.
We'll pour a glass of wine. 

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We're going to sit here like 
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And we know that many people, 
like 50 or 60% of couples end up

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in divorce and so that it's not 
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And sadly it's not, you know, 
sometimes we grow, we change. 

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And I'll ask her if she wanted 
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and stuff. 
I've not been through a divorce.

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However, my husband had, he went
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I'm one of the few, you know, 
people that haven't went through

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a divorce. 
So I try to, you know, I give 

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you my bleeding heart and 
empathy and I've cried with you 

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and everything, but I don't know
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So Elisa is going to talk about 
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Maybe it'll resonate with some 
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understand, you know what we've 
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Why it's been so hard to try and
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Right. 
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talking now. 
We are going to talk about Ted 

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Bundy. 
So, you know, don't leave us. 

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But yeah, we're just going to 
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everything she's going to we're.
Going to catch up because we 

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really want to. 
One of the biggest goals with 

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the podcast is to connect with 
our listeners like we want to 

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share our life with you. 
We want you to know where we're 

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at, know that we are just like 
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We go through the same things 
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And I'm hoping by me talking 
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there's someone out there going 
through a divorce, that this may

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help them feel a little bit 
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feelings, they're totally 
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Yeah, they're valid. 
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something that a lot of people 
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We'll talk about it from a 
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I don't know if we can get her, 
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it. 
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He's a man of a few words, but. 
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I was Jackie. 
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was 18. 
I introduced them. 

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I introduced. 
Them so. 

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How old are you now, ma'am? 
I am. 

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I'll be 43 in December, yes. 
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time. 
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October, been together about 23 
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Also, we I do want to say that 
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like I love him. 
I love him too. 

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That's right. 
This is not a bashing. 

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This is talking about feelings. 
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because the first. 
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Because we love him. 
We have been really super 

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blessed because he and I are 
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You know, we talk regarding the 
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We make sure our children are 
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We try to create that 
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What we didn't want was what you
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That happens a lot of times when
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their children as pawns. 
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absolutely will not do. 
Yeah, and that's not fair to the

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kids. 
It's not fair to the kids, You 

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know, their children and you all
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And, you know, being a teacher, 
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I see it a lot, you know, where,
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or they will say, you know, tell
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Tell your parent that I wouldn't
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I mean, if you do that, you do 
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But I'm going to say the kids 
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level. 
They should know what's going 

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on, but they should also be kept
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You know, you tell them what 
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going to be OK. 
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between adults. 
It's on, it's on a need to know 

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basis. 
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kind of separated, we'll say 
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house. 
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that route at the end of 2025 
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I closed on my house in January.
I moved in on my own, bought my 

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own house. 
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grateful and so blessed to be 
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Kids and let me just say to you.
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I'm very proud of you for that. 
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And I have told you that many 
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Her house is beautiful. 
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a boss babe, I mean, I'm sitting
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She has bought this beautiful 
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She's paying her bills. 
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what an adult should be able to 
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Be dependent on a man. 
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so many years we lived off of 2 
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and we parented together. 
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do, we do a shared custody. 
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kids because our kids are 14 and
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They're old enough to understand
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want to. 
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come home early or go to dad's 
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big stink about it. 
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week on and a week off. 
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my kids. 
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really struggled with them not 
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And I think I even posted on my 
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trying to go to sleep at night 
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listeners to know us. 
I want you to feel connected to 

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us. 
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vulnerable laying here in this 
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He was so quiet. 
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Like it really like you have to 
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You can't just sit if if you get
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just idle, that's when it 
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You have to stay busy because 
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Because if I stop, then I think 
about the what ifs, the what 

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could I have done differently? 
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straight up depression. 
So you really have to be aware 

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of your thought process, 
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Now when my kids are here at 
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house is trashed, like the 
grocery bill is triple, but it's

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like I have peace in my heart 
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And so. 
It's it's super different, yeah.

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You're, if you're going through 

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something like that, just know 
that there's other people that 

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going through it also. 
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And everybody has, you know, we 
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mountain and we have the 
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And you know, when we get 
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out of them and we see the 
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And I can see the sunshine in 
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So I just want you to know that 
I can see that you are getting 

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there, and I'm just tickled to 
death, to death to be with you 

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today. 
Thank you. 

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I'm excited and if any of our 
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they're going through this, 
please message me. 

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If you just need someone to 
talk, you are more than like 

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welcome to message me and be 
like, Hey, I'm starting the 

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process to this. 
I'm just going through this, You

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know, I, I don't care a bit to 
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on because my God knows that I 
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Samantha's house in tears. 
Yeah, I was sitting in the chair

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and just. 
Walk in her house and. 

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Not to get, you know, we won't 
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tell you one thing that happened
and it's probably, I don't know,

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five months ago, six months ago,
I was sitting and watching TV 

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and just what? 
And my TV's up on the on the 

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wall, like it's up high and she 
just walks in and I didn't know,

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like she was in there and she 
just walked through the living 

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room and collapsed, collapsed on
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Like so again, like I said, I 
don't know what it's like to go 

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through a divorce, but I know 
what it's like to be the best 

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friend of someone who's going 
through a divorce. 

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And it's not easy. 
And I see the heartbreak and I 

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see the heartbreak from both of 
them. 

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And you know, I love you so very
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much. 
You know, we've been the closest

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friends. 
If you listen to the cruise 

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episode, we're going to cruise 
together. 

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Like it's not easy. 
And if you're and you know, if 

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your friend, if you're a friend 
and you're watching your, you 

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know, your good friends go 
through something like this, 

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it's hard. 
You don't have to take sides. 

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You can love them both. 
You can be neutral and you can 

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just be there for. 
Them and again, like I said, 

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Clint and I, we have a really 
good relationship. 

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We're very blessed. 
He is the father of my children 

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and I will always love him. 
You know, that love may be 

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different. 
We grew apart. 

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I'll always love him just like 
he will always love me, and 

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that's okay. 
Yeah, that's going to help us 

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create the perfect environment 
for our kids. 

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Yeah, and I think that's what 
that dog. 

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If you hear noise, your Dorg. 
Dorg. 

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One's hitting. 
One's hitting Here we go drink. 

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Gorg is snorging. 
Oh my gosh, Lucy is in here. 

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I just told Sammy I need to get 
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close off the podcast room. 
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But so let's switch it up a 
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You know, we when we went 
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to you all about it. 
Of course, some of you all may 

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not want to listen to that. 
You can Fast forward, you can 

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totally fast. 
Forward. 

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Some of you want I'm going to 
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that I took to Florida with my 
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I I had would have loved to have
went with you, but I was 

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traveling on my own my. 
God, it was the best time. 

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I went and picked her up at 4:00
in the morning. 

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We drove, it is like a 14 hour 
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And when I tell you it was the 
most fun drive I've ever had. 

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So I drove the first six hours 
and then after that she wouldn't

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let me drive because, well, 
she's a picky butthole. 

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But she kept saying that I don't
know how to drive and that's not

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true. 
Guys, my friends listen to me. 

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I can, I can absolutely 100% 
drive. 

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She's just very, she's just very
picky. 

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But I would get over like we 
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would get over in the, in the 
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And then when I would get over 
in the passing lane, I couldn't 

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get back over. 
You know, once I passed the car,

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I couldn't get back over because
then we had people like coming 

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up to, you know, in the, in the 
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me and she would get so mad and 
she would be like, I need you to

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shit and get off the path. 
I need you to shit and get off 

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the pot. 
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need to pass the car and then 
get out of the lane. 

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Well, I couldn't do that because
I would, I would literally shit 

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and then I couldn't get off the 
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cars. 
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the constant shit lane and I 
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And so she took over and we 
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and then she drove the whole way
home, which is fine because I'm 

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a passenger Princess and I'm 
cool with that. 

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I like to drive. 
But we had the most fun and I 

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got to tell you some of the 
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did. 
We went, I had my cousin Jack 

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with me. 
We call him Cousin Jack Jack. 

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I have my cousin Jack with me 
with the most fun. 

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We go into this bar. 
We went to Saint Augustine. 

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So my family, they own a 
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they live in High Springs, FL. 
So we went to Saint Augustine 

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for the day. 
Well, we went, we got Airbnb for

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the night and we wanted to go 
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So we went down there. 
We went to this bar and it's 

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this rinky dink bar. 
It looks like a bar that you 

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would have in Appalachia. 
It wasn't like a high ritzy bar 

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or anything like that. 
But we went and did that. 

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And then we go in and Michelle 
and Jack Jack are not as social 

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as I am and I understand it. 
I'm not for everybody. 

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I get that. 
I love everybody. 

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If I see somebody and I've never
met you before, just know that 

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it does not bother me. 
I feel like you are like every 

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like, So with that statement, 
I'm a lot like I am a lot. 

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I feel like you are so easy to 
get along with. 

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Like we're in some instances I'm
probably way overbearing. 

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Like, holy shit, put the brakes 
on. 

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Yeah. 
No, I just love every like I 

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love everybody. 
So we go into this bar, right, 

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and it's l-shaped. 
So I'm going to lay this out for

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you and Michelle and Jack. 
They go and they sat at the bar 

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and I ordered me a drink, Red 
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And then I see over, you know, 
to the left side that there's 

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these I said Latino people. 
Jack said that I couldn't say 

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that that it was Hispanic. 
I mean anything by but there's 

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some Hispanic people over here 
playing a game. 

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So I walked over there with my 
drink. 

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Now, mind you that Jack and 
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but I walk over here and I'm 
standing there with my jank and 

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I'm watching him play this game.
And it's a ring and it's got on 

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a cord and you hold it back 
really, really far and you try 

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to get it to hook across the 
bar, like on this little hook. 

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And this little woman come up to
me, super adorable. 

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And she talked to me and I could
tell that she was not fantastic 

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at English. 
And she asked me if I spoke 

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Spanish. 
And I was like, ma'am, I'm, I'm 

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from West Virginia. 
I don't speak Spanish. 

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Not saying that all of you all 
don't speak. 

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Spanish. 
That's when you should have said

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no. 
Hablo English no. 

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Well, no, I'm pretty sure you 
just said no. 

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I don't speak English. 
You've no idea what you're 

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saying. 
No hablo espanol. 

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Yeah, you don't even there. 
We go drink your wine anyhow, so

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I'll go over there. 
And she tells me and she puts 

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her hand on her chest and she 
was like, like this. 

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And she goes Elizabeth. 
And so I put my hand on my 

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chest. 
Then I went Samantha. 

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And I was so excited because she
wanted to talk to me and there 

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was a language barrier, but we 
didn't care. 

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Both of us, at that moment, we 
locked eyes and I was like, 

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little Elizabeth, we're going to
be friends now. 

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She was a lot older. 
She looked like a Mamaw. 

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And down there she was like, 
they were telling me abuela. 

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That's what they were saying. 
So Mamaw in West Virginia is 

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abuela in Hispanic or Spanish? 
Yeah. 

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She takes me around by the arm 
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everybody. 
She introduces me to Jorge. 

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That's her husband. 
We would, you know, we would say

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George. 
But anyways. 

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Jorge. 
That's George for us. 

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And then she introduced 
introduced me to her daughter, 

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Beattie, who was probably 10 
years younger than me. 

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And she was adorable. 
And then just met, you know, 

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just everybody, you know, And I 
was just patting my chest and I 

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was like, Samantha, you know, 
and I was living my best life. 

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And then they handed me the ring
to play the game. 

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And I turned and I looked at 
everybody. 

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I was like, oh, my God, they're 
going to let me play like I was 

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so. 
I mean, I was so. 

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Pick me, I was. 
So beside myself, excited that I

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was going to get to play this 
game with the, you know, with 

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all of these these wonderful 
people and I grabbed the ring 

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and when I held the ring back, 
all of them started saying 

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Samantha, Samantha. 
Love that. 

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Michelle jumps up from the bar. 
She goes son of a bitch. 

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She comes back there. 
She had no idea what was going 

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on. 
She had no idea what was going 

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on. 
And I just looked at the corner 

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of my eye and she's just 
standing there looking at me 

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like cock eyed a little bit 
like. 

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And here comes cousin Jack. 
Jack, he's standing there. 

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And I played the game with him. 
I loved it. 

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We had the best time. 
And then that evening, like when

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we were leaving, Elizabeth come 
up to me and she was like, back 

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tomorrow, back tomorrow. 
And I was like, absolutely. 

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And Jack's like, no, no, she is 
not. 

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We're leaving in the morning. 
I was like, yes, I will be back.

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And I in fact did not get to go 
back. 

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She's like, I didn't but. 
I just want you to know that I 

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that was so much fun for me and 
when they started chanting my 

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name and I had that little gold 
ring and I was going to get to 

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play the game with them. 
I don't know of a better time 

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that I have had in the last few 
years. 

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Like it was so much fun. 
Reach out to people that you 

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don't know and play the game and
you know, have the cocktail and 

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just enjoy life, like enjoying 
so much fun. 

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I'll never forget it. 
I'm sure Michelle and Jack won't

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either. 
But it was just, it was just 

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wonderful. 
We were walking down the street 

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and these two girls, they had 
these beautiful dresses on, and 

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they probably look like they 
were like 20s or 30s. 

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And I was like, oh, my gosh, 
girls, you all look beautiful. 

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And they just kind of looked at 
me weird. 

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And Jack turned around. 
He was like, yeah, you can't do 

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that here. 
And I was like, well, in West 

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Virginia, honey, if we see 
somebody that looks fire, we 

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tell them immediately. 
And I will not, I will not 

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stifle that. 
I'm going to keep doing that. 

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If you look fire and I see you 
out, I'm going to tell you, 

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ma'am. 
Get it. 

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You get it, ma'am. 
Gorgeous, yes I'm glad you got 

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to go see your grandma and it 
sound like you had a really good

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trip. 
I had the best trip. 

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She was sick while I was down 
there. 

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I went and got went and saw my 
cousin Jack race and they raced 

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go karts. 
It's called something else but 

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his is like the the orange one 
with the O1 on it. 

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The is it Dukes of Hazzard? 
Is that Dukes? 

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Is that Dukes of hazard with 
one? 

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And he did that and it was like 
they go so fast, like 60 miles 

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an hour in these little go 
karts. 

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And it was actually kind of 
scaring me a little bit. 

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Like I was like, Oh my God, 
people are going to get hurt. 

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But it was so much fun. 
It was just, it was just the 

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best trip. 
And I love my cousin so much and

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I love my family in Florida so 
much and I can't wait to go 

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back. 
I'm as soon as I can get the 

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money. 
I'm I'm, I'm back, I'm back to 

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him. 
I just listen, family. 

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It means so much to me. 
It means so much to me. 

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It's good stuff. 
They're so precious. 

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00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,480
Anyways, just know that a couple
of weeks ago, I was in Saint 

447
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,120
Augustine Beach, and I was in a 
bar and everybody was chanting 

448
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,760
my name. 
And I thought, yeah, I'm going 

449
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,520
to hook this ring. 
I'm going to hook this ring. 

450
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,200
And I let go. 
And then everybody was like, oh,

451
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,920
at the same time they were like,
oh, I didn't know what I was 

452
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,280
doing. 
So it is what it is. 

453
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,720
Well, I'm glad you had a good 
trip. 

454
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,200
I didn't have the best trip and 
we had our live and how much fun

455
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,880
did we have so. 
Fun. 

456
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,760
It was a learning experience. 
Next time I would really like to

457
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,160
have a reserved room. 
We cannot do this again in 

458
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,680
public. 
There's no way. 

459
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,440
There was a lot of issues with 
seating, there was a lot of 

460
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160
issues with people not being 
able to hear. 

461
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,800
There was a lot of issues with 
people showing up that didn't 

462
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,400
know what we were doing. 
Even though the waitress like 

463
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
they were seating everybody, 
they're like, hey, this is 

464
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,800
what's going on. 
There's true crime podcast. 

465
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,760
And I think at one point Sam 
looked in the crowd and there 

466
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,880
was this lady, like holding her 
ears, a little old. 

467
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,160
Lady and she had her ears held 
and I was just like, Elisa, you 

468
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,720
cannot, you have to tone this 
down so much. 

469
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,840
It was just very like, I was 
super uncomfortable with the 

470
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,920
story. 
So bitches is toned down. 

471
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,000
When we do it again, we will 
definitely do it again in a 

472
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,720
venue where. 
A more private and more 

473
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,280
intimate. 
Location, we would still do it 

474
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,440
for free, but but we want to 
make sure that everybody that 

475
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240
shows up. 
Is there for that specific 

476
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,440
reason? 
And there was people in the back

477
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,480
that we didn't know that came to
listen. 

478
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,480
And they couldn't really. 
They couldn't really hear so and

479
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,080
how. 
Awesome. 

480
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,120
Was it, You know, people 
traveled, they got hotel rooms. 

481
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,160
We got gifts. 
We got tons of Kirkwood ones. 

482
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,520
I mean, you know, we met all 
kinds of new friends, met Dana 

483
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,520
and Carly and Carly's husband. 
Like it was just it was thank 

484
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,520
you for making it everything 
that we would. 

485
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,200
We wanted it and hoped it to be 
and. 

486
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,920
Our girl Alicia came with her 
friend, her friend and. 

487
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,880
Then we had our we had our 
friends that showed up like our 

488
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,320
close friends. 
You know my friend Beach. 

489
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,040
And my family, yeah. 
And Bettina and Jenny and my 

490
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Jenny would be out there and my 
friend Jody, but you know, and I

491
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,960
would look at, you know, like if
I would get nervous or something

492
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,840
just from not because being in 
public, that doesn't bother me, 

493
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,040
but at least she. 
Was afraid what would come out 

494
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,120
of my mouth. 
So I would look at like Jenny or

495
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,000
I would look at beach to like 
anchor me because I was like, 

496
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,280
we're going to get kicked out of
here and this is going to be, 

497
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,600
you know, it's going to be all 
over Facebook. 

498
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,280
It's going to be your fault. 
It's. 

499
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,240
Going to be all over Facebook, 
everybody's going to be like, 

500
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,680
oh, remember that time that 
Samantha got kicked out of the 

501
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,440
Creekside restaurant and I'm 
going to be so embarrassed. 

502
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,680
So I, I just, I needed an anchor
and my good friends that were 

503
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,960
there were anchors for me and I 
think it went great. 

504
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,880
It was an hour long. 
And if you did come to see us 

505
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,800
and you were sitting in the back
and you couldn't hear us, I'm 

506
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,920
sorry. 
Sorry. 

507
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840
Again, learning experience. 
You guys are awesome. 

508
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
But still, thank you so much for
supporting us. 

509
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,120
I mean that that means a lot. 
So we are going to do a story 

510
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,240
today. 
We're going to talk about Ted 

511
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Bundy, but we are trying to 
switch it up a little bit. 

512
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,840
So you're just going to have to 
hang with us. 

513
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,080
If you're a listener, what we're
going to ask you to do is listen

514
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,280
to our story and then if you 
have any suggestions on the way 

515
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,080
that we're doing this type of 
story. 

516
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,920
We're going to spin it a little 
different. 

517
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,040
This is going to be more of like
a So normally I research and I 

518
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,560
type up about 12 pages and I go 
through like a whole script. 

519
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Sam wanted to do it a little 
different this time, which I'm 

520
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,240
I'm down with. 
We both kind of research this 

521
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,520
case so we can do a little bit 
more of a back and forward and 

522
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,640
get our thoughts. 
And then maybe hopefully after 

523
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,520
this comes out, it will allow 
you guys, our listeners to 

524
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:17,000
interact in a post with your 
thoughts on Sunday. 

525
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,080
Ted, I was going. 
To say that we're, you need to. 

526
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,240
Lay off the line on Monday. 
Anyways, so we're hoping like, 

527
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,000
you know, it's going to be more 
of a conversation thing. 

528
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,040
She does have a paper, but it's 
more of bullet pulling. 

529
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,480
We want to try to get away from 
like the writing of the papers 

530
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,720
that takes a time to write a 
paper you're talking about every

531
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,560
story we do is between a 12 and 
a 20 page paper that we do. 

532
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,040
And we were spitting those out 
at one time before, you know, 

533
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400
life hit the fan one a week. 
And it's a lot. 

534
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,880
So we're going to try to do it 
this way and let us know if you 

535
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,440
like it or if you want us to go 
back to doing the scripts. 

536
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,480
I'm thinking it would be more 
easy, it would be easier if we 

537
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:04,240
did one in depth story a month, 
like really dig deep, you know, 

538
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,920
get in there, you know, rooting 
around, pulling out all the gore

539
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,200
and then maybe just doing a 
short 30 to 45 minute. 

540
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Little episode a week. 
Smaller episode a week, yeah, 

541
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,000
but anyways, so. 
I know we're how funny we, we've

542
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,880
been doing here now for 2 1/2 
years and still figuring. 

543
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,840
We're still figuring it out. 
We're still, we've moved the 

544
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,320
studio. 
If you all could see what I 

545
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000
could see right now, we are 
surrounded by, you know, just 

546
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
stuff. 
We have a huge deer. 

547
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,800
We have a huge deer that we're 
going to put on the wall. 

548
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,080
That I murdered. 
That Elisa killed. 

549
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,760
I mean, like, we have all kinds 
of plans, but plans take time. 

550
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,600
They do. 
Sitting here trying to figure 

551
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,960
out how we want to do this and 
how we want to get the studio 

552
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,920
set up so we can start offering 
video or like podcasts, you 

553
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,600
know, reels, clips, whatever. 
Yeah. 

554
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,960
OK, so I'm going to go ahead and
throw a quote out there to get 

555
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,480
us started. 
Are you ready? 

556
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,200
I am ready and I'm I also know 
about the story. 

557
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240
I did do a little bit of 
research, but I don't think that

558
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840
I did the type of research that 
Elisa did. 

559
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,200
So I'm hoping that she can still
tell me some stuff that's going 

560
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,280
to surprise me because I know 
like, I really like the surprise

561
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,440
thing on it, but but who knows, 
Who knows? 

562
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,600
We're just trying something. 
Different, So you guys will have

563
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,240
to give us some feedback. 
Let us know what you think. 

564
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,440
So here we go. 
Ted Bundy, that piece of crap. 

565
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,960
I'm the most cold blooded son of
a bitch you'll ever see. 

566
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,720
Bundy said that February 1978 
when he was interrogated in 

567
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Florida shortly after his 
arrest. 

568
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,400
So Can you imagine helping a 
charming law student load books 

569
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:54,360
into his car and then later on 
realizing that you were actually

570
00:28:54,360 --> 00:29:00,040
face to face with Ted Bundy? 
That is what happened a lot. 

571
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,240
If you were lucky to escape the 
clutches of Ted. 

572
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320
If you had, like we've always 
said, trust your gut, trust your

573
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320
instinct. 
Unfortunately, some of these 

574
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,120
women did not. 
They were. 

575
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,960
He preyed on their kindness. 
So that is exactly what he did. 

576
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,200
He prayed on their kindness. 
And what he would do is he would

577
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,360
get a cast for his arm, his leg,
something he would have some 

578
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,240
kind of ailment or some kind of,
you know, handicap to where he 

579
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,040
would need help. 
And that's exactly what he did. 

580
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,360
He would need help. 
He would ask these women, hey, 

581
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,000
can you help me? 
Of course I can help you, Sir. 

582
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,360
You know, Ted Bundy didn't look.
He did not look violent. 

583
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,280
He did not look suspicious. 
Most women said that he was very

584
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,920
handsome. 
I'm going to disagree with that.

585
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,320
I think he looked like he rolled
in pig shit, but whatever. 

586
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,960
But they were like, oh, he was 
handsome, you know, so of 

587
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,960
charismatic. 
Yeah, of course. 

588
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,840
I'll help you, Sir. 
And then they would help him. 

589
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,440
And then when they help him, he 
would take a tire iron or 

590
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,040
whatever he had and he would hit
them over the head and throw 

591
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,760
them in his little Volkswagen 
Beetle. 

592
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360
And the next thing you know, it 
was it was bad news from there. 

593
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,640
It was bad news from. 
There. 

594
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:17,160
So let's go ahead and talk about
just who Ted was, you know, his 

595
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,640
early life. 
So he was born Theodore Robert 

596
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Cowell in 1946. 
Now, his mother gave the names 

597
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,200
of two different men who could 
have potentially been his 

598
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,440
father, but there has never been
any confirmation of who his dad 

599
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,440
actually was. 
She did name a man by the name 

600
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840
of Jack Worthington, who was 
actually listed on the birth 

601
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,400
certificate. 
He was an Air Force veteran who 

602
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,400
did have a very quick 
relationship with her, but they 

603
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,320
really don't think that he 
fathered Ted. 

604
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,520
The next one was saying So what 
you're. 

605
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Saying is that Ted Bundy's mom 
got around. 

606
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,800
She got around, she been around 
a block a time or two. 

607
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400
We ain't judging. 
We ain't judging judging. 

608
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,960
No, I'm just saying, just know 
that Ted did not know who his 

609
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,560
biological father was. 
That's right. 

610
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,840
So Sam Cowell, who was his 
mother's, died, which was his 

611
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,720
grandpa. 
He was also believed to be his 

612
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,880
dad. 
So yes, it was believed at one 

613
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,480
point that his grandpa was his 
father. 

614
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,600
No. 
I'm just telling. 

615
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,720
You I didn't see that anywhere. 
I mean he didn't look like he 

616
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,480
was, you know, like I mean he 
didn't look inbred. 

617
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,800
I don't mean that in a mean way.
I don't know how else to say 

618
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,680
that's what it's called. 
That's what's called he didn't 

619
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,800
look like he was inbred right. 
I know what what I just said 

620
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,600
like he looked like he rolled in
pig, but I mean he didn't and he

621
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,480
didn't have any like he didn't 
have any cognitive like he was 

622
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,120
super smart. 
He was a genius. 

623
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640
I mean he was evil. 
Is inbred make you evil? 

624
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,800
He was he was genius. 
Maybe it does. 

625
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,600
Now, on the same plane, Sam 
Cowell was a piece of shit. 

626
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Like he was known for his 
volunteer for his animal 

627
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:10,120
cruelty, domestic abuse and he 
he was very racist and he had 

628
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,440
like an authoritative behavior. 
One moment, please. 

629
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,800
She's doing the refill. 
The more I drink of this one and

630
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,040
I've not had enough to, I mean, 
I'm telling you, I've not had 

631
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,960
enough to even get slightly a 
little buzz. 

632
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,560
It doesn't taste as bad. 
I'm telling you. 

633
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,800
I think my issue was the Coke 
that I had. 

634
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560
That you had prior. 
I really like I'm starting to 

635
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,440
lock it. 
I like it's. 

636
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,680
Still a little dry for me, OK, 
But we'll, we'll make. 

637
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,160
It well, that's because you're 
basic. 

638
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,600
You're basic. 
I have AI have a a more higher 

639
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,640
palate. 
Than that she prude she prude 

640
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,040
now you know, Ted was raised 
believing that his grandparents 

641
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,760
were were his parents because 
when his mom got pregnant with 

642
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,040
him, she was so young they sent 
her off to have the baby, which 

643
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,120
we now his mom. 
'S name was Carol. 

644
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,440
Yes, OK, like it was. 
Super common for that to happen.

645
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,640
You can get pregnant out of 
wedlock and they take you, they 

646
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160
send you to this nunnery or this
home for girls. 

647
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,040
You have the baby and then you 
come back and that's what they 

648
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,560
did with her, is she come back 
with the baby. 

649
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,520
They told told everybody in the 
town, the neighborhood that the 

650
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,680
baby was actually his. 
They were sister brothers and 

651
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,400
that was their child. 
Do you know, I think that's 

652
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,800
awful and I've heard about that.
I mean, I'm not going to go into

653
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520
anything more, more deep than 
this, but you know, we've all 

654
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,080
heard of stories like this, 
especially in Appalachia. 

655
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,000
A girl gets pregnant, you know, 
at 161718 or out of wedlock, 

656
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,960
wedlock or something like that 
and they then are raised, you 

657
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,800
know, we're mom and dad's going 
to raise the baby. 

658
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,640
We're going to raise this as 
your sibling or whatever because

659
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,520
we don't want people talking. 
We don't want our reputations 

660
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,200
ruined. 
Imagine caring. 

661
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,560
And I know it was a different 
time. 

662
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,040
I know it was a different time 
and I listen, I think that, you 

663
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,960
know, a nuclear family with a 
mom and a dad and a baby and all

664
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,840
this stuff, that is the way to 
go. 

665
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,600
That is the way to go. 
But how dare people judge 

666
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,480
somebody, judge somebody for 
something doing something like 

667
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,600
that and it's none of your 
business, right? 

668
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,120
It's none of your business. 
I tell you what you can do if 

669
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,960
you judge people like that, like
Oh my God, she ain't married and

670
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,199
she had a baby. 
You know what you can do? 

671
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,120
You can stay in your lane is 
what you can do because it ain't

672
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,480
none your business. 
That's right, stay in your. 

673
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Lane, stay in your lane and 
let's not worry about it. 

674
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,800
How about say, you know, let's 
say something like, you know 

675
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,800
what? 
God bless you. 

676
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,800
Bless you, honey. 
I hope that's a healthy baby. 

677
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,400
Bless you. 
Yeah. 

678
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,560
Let's not, let's not, let's not 
get out of our lane. 

679
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,840
Man, that makes me mad. 
And I hear people like that all 

680
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,880
the time. 
Still. 

681
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,280
Yeah. 
Oh, so was going to have a baby 

682
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,639
and she's not married and. 
Well, I mean, back then even a 

683
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,679
divorce divorce is more common. 
Honey, you would be. 

684
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Would it be in divorce? 
Elisa, you'd be the whore. 

685
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,800
Bad. 
One such a slut. 

686
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,320
It would have been awful even if
she didn't do anything wrong. 

687
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,360
Lord honey, Can you believe they
would have been like long hang 

688
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:12,960
that? 
With. 

689
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,200
Lord, can you listen? 
Let me tell you something. 

690
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,680
How Lisa's getting a divorce. 
She ain't cook him eggs, right? 

691
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200
And he kicked her the hell out. 
It's. 

692
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,280
No sloppy, sloppy. 
No, she ain't listen. 

693
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,640
She ain't got a man. 
Lord, honey, so we're going to 

694
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,560
pray for you. 
My next question is, do you 

695
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,920
think that his upbringing 
upbringing contributed to 

696
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,680
everything that is to come? 
I don't, I don't know, was he 

697
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,080
abused because I saw his mom 
like, and saw the love that she 

698
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,880
had for her son and the 
heartbreak and how she believed 

699
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,400
he was innocent and all this 
stuff. 

700
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,880
And I felt so sorry for Carol. 
I felt so sorry for her because 

701
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,720
she just could not. 
And she talked about all the 

702
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:03,160
good things that he did. 
So I don't, I don't know. 

703
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,560
It's really sad because again, 
he was very charismatic, he was 

704
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,800
very well educated. 
He was described as handsome, 

705
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,480
polite. 
He was into politics, too. 

706
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Highly into politics and I. 
Believe he was a Republican. 

707
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,360
And during the highly publicized
trial in Florida, he had fans in

708
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,160
the courtroom, like some women 
wrote him letters and insisted 

709
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,440
that he was innocent, like he 
was too handsome. 

710
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,240
Ted Bundy was a Republican. 
Of course. 

711
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,520
I mean, we're not talking 
politics on here. 

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Hold on, Don't do a course. 
Of course I wasn't. 

713
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,320
I wasn't doing politics. 
I said he was into politics. 

714
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,400
Anybody that ends politics is, 
of course, I don't care what 

715
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,120
color it is, Red, white, blue. 
Okay, I'm just saying he was. 

716
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,000
Really. 
He did a lot. 

717
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,680
You know who else was into 
politics? 

718
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,880
We're not talking about it, do 
you? 

719
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Know John Wayne Gacy. 
John Wayne Gacy. 

720
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Yeah. 
John freaking Gacy. 

721
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,200
Yeah. 
But I'm just. 

722
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,800
Saying like, that's not like I, 
I love Republican people. 

723
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,160
They're fantastic. 
I'm not saying. 

724
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,760
Anything against them either, 
I'm just saying. 

725
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,640
He was actively involved in 
conservative politics in 

726
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,720
Washington state. 
He served for a volunteer for 

727
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,160
Nelson Rockefeller's 
presidential campaign. 

728
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,000
He worked on Daniel Evans 
gubernatorial campaign and 

729
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,960
eventually becoming an assistant
to the state Republican Party 

730
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,120
chairman. 
Like he wasn't, it's not like, 

731
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,680
oh, he would go door to door, 
knock and vote for this people. 

732
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,800
The man Ted Bundy was in 
politics. 

733
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,480
He was in it. 
He was physically. 

734
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Active. 
He was making moves, making. 

735
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,280
So you need to wrap your mind 
around this kind of 

736
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120
manipulation, this kind of 
person you know, that is. 

737
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,360
This hot still out there today 
doing the same type of 

738
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,600
manipulation politics. 
Oh, OK, quit. 

739
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Quit with it. 
Just keep going. 

740
00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:00,160
So something that strike, I 
don't, I don't know if many 

741
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,960
people know this, but Bundy 
actually proposed to his 

742
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,320
girlfriend, Carol Ann Boone 
during the trial. 

743
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,760
And under the Florida law at 
that time, just a proposal that 

744
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,960
was made within a court actually
counted as a legal marriage. 

745
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,600
So technically, Ted Bundy got 
married during his own trial. 

746
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,760
OK, so hold on a second. 
Are you going to talk about 

747
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,640
Elizabeth? 
You're not going to talk about 

748
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,440
Elizabeth? 
I think so. 

749
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,120
OK, so I want to talk about his 
girlfriend Elizabeth. 

750
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,040
He met her at a bar. 
They were together for years 

751
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,440
when this all first started 
coming out. 

752
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,920
And what we're talking about is 
the the murders and stuff. 

753
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,200
But he would literally like he 
would say that he was going on a

754
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,880
work trip or whatever and he 
would go to a different state 

755
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040
and he would murder somebody. 
And he come back to Elizabeth 

756
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:53,160
and her young daughter. 
Elizabeth could not believe that

757
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Ted was doing all of this stuff.
I mean, he had dated her for 

758
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,840
years. 
And I find sympathy with 

759
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,840
Elizabeth because I could not 
imagine 100% believing somebody 

760
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,920
that they couldn't do this stuff
and knowing somebody that well. 

761
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,480
And then it coming out that yes,
the person that you've been 

762
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,160
living with, the person you've 
been sleeping with, the person 

763
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,600
that you're making life plans 
with is a whole different 

764
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,040
person. 
So you have Ted Bundy, right? 

765
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,400
You have you have Ted Bundy the 
politician. 

766
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,400
You have Ted Bundy the wonderful
boyfriend who is taking care of 

767
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,120
you and your daughter. 
You have Ted Bundy, the amazing 

768
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,880
son. 
And then on the other hand, 

769
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,280
split right down the middle, you
have Ted Bundy the murderer. 

770
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,800
And you don't know that other 
man. 

771
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,480
You don't know that other man. 
And it's hard for us to wrap our

772
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,640
mind around it because I could 
not imagine. 

773
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,800
I couldn't imagine that. 
Like, I mean, you think you know

774
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,080
somebody, but do we really know 
somebody? 

775
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Really know? 
There's a whole series on who 

776
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,360
the bleak did I marry? 
Yep, you don't. 

777
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,880
You never know. 
So anyways, he dated Elizabeth 

778
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,240
through this whole thing and 
through several trials, through 

779
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,000
several trials. 
So let's not, let's, let's not 

780
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,640
skimp over her because you know,
she's an important aspect to 

781
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,480
this. 
And two, not only that, while he

782
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,280
was actively committing murders,
Bundy was a volunteer at a 

783
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:24,000
Seattle suicide crisis hotline. 
And one of his coworkers there, 

784
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,440
her name was Anne Ruhl, who 
later wrote the famous Bundy 

785
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,920
book The Stranger Beside Me, 
which I've read part of that. 

786
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:39,280
And it's wild. 
Like, she talks about how, you 

787
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,960
know, of course they were 
coworkers. 

788
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,120
She just couldn't wrap her head 
around that. 

789
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,760
Yeah, you know, she worked with 
him and they were really good 

790
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080
friends, but she never felt 
threatened. 

791
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,160
She never felt threatened for 
her life. 

792
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,200
And when it come out like she 
could not believe it was Ted 

793
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,120
Bundy. 
Well, what happened was with 

794
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,760
Elizabeth is that they had a 
composite sketch and a 

795
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,600
description of the man who had 
done some he'd he'd murdered 

796
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,400
some women, and we're not 
talking about a few. 

797
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,520
And I don't know, I'm more apt 
to his personal life than I am 

798
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,240
with actually what he did 
because you all know me and I 

799
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,720
just don't really want to know 
that. 

800
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Yeah. 
But Elizabeth, his girlfriend at

801
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,720
the time, he was gone on a work 
trip. 

802
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,240
Again. 
She had seen on TVA composite 

803
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,440
drawing of him a Volkswagen 
Beetle. 

804
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,800
You know that, you know the 
description of the Volkswagen 

805
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,960
Beetle and the name Ted, that 
the girl that one of these girls

806
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,000
that got away said his name was,
you know, Ted and he had a few. 

807
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,120
That actually got. 
Away. 

808
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,840
Yeah. 
So Elizabeth called the police. 

809
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,320
She called the police and she 
was like, you know, I don't know

810
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,360
exactly. 
What she said. 

811
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,280
If you just heard that is my 
dog's in here making a mess 

812
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,960
because my daughter is supposed 
to be watching them. 

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So Elizabeth had turned him in 

826
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,280
to the police and she'd done it 
a few different times because 

827
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,440
she'd seen the, the composite 
sketch and it looked like him 

828
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,560
and she'd seen that it was a 
Volkswagen and she'd seen that 

829
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,800
they, the woman who escaped it 
called him Ted. 

830
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,640
The issue with that was, is that
the Volkswagen that was 

831
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,440
described was a different 
colour. 

832
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Also, you're talking about the 
70s. 

833
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Everybody had a Volkswagen, you 
know, everybody had a bug. 

834
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,000
So they kind of just like blew 
it off. 

835
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160
And even though she had turned 
him in because she had this 

836
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,160
eerie feeling about him that 
something wasn't really right, 

837
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,600
she maintained contact with him 
for years, for years and years 

838
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,400
and years. 
And it wasn't until he finally 

839
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,600
admitted to her that he was sick
that she really started to 

840
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,360
believe. 
I think it was one of those 

841
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,760
things like, you know, you know 
something is wrong, you know 

842
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,000
something is wrong, but you 
think to yourself, how in the 

843
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000
world can I not see this? 
You know, I left this man alone 

844
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,280
with my child and and he also, 
he did not just kill grown 

845
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,440
women. 
There was a child in in there 

846
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,400
somewhere, wasn't. 
There was it right about her rod

847
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,360
as well. 
So yeah, there is, like, there's

848
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,280
a lot to that, but Elizabeth 
just couldn't wrap her mind 

849
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,920
around it. 
And at one point, Ted Bundy told

850
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,600
her. 
He even told her, I tried to 

851
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,640
kill you. 
I tried to kill you. 

852
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,360
I closed the damper on the 
fireplace so smoke would fill 

853
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,320
the house and kill you. 
Like, even someone like that, 

854
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080
like, you know, someone that he 
supposedly loved and protected. 

855
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
She had no idea. 
She had no idea. 

856
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Anyways, go on. 
Now, he, he was really smart. 

857
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,080
He studied psychology and later 
law. 

858
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,600
And actually before his arrest, 
he was attending law school at 

859
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,960
the University of Utah College 
of Law. 

860
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:36,200
He would even go as far as to 
set on criminal trials. 

861
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,520
And he also studied police 
investigation techniques. 

862
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,840
And this could have really, I'm 
not going to say could have, but

863
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,640
this actually probably helped 
him keep going as long as he 

864
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,600
did. 
Yeah, but I think it also was a 

865
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,560
little bit of his downfall 
because in the court cases, like

866
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,120
in trial and stuff, he was super
cocky. 

867
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
He was super cocky. 
And I really think that, I mean,

868
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,920
I don't think that's his 
downfall. 

869
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,640
I think the murder was his 
downfall, but I think that he 

870
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,760
did not. 
No, I think he, I mean he got 

871
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,640
exactly right reserve. 
I don't know what I'm trying to 

872
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,320
say. 
Anyways, he tried to represent 

873
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,960
his self and he fired all kinds 
of lawyers and he was just a 

874
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
dumb shit. 
Like he was a genius but also a 

875
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,040
dumb shit. 
Well, he was just so full of 

876
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,080
himself. 
Oh so full of himself. 

877
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,960
So with the murders, the first 
confirmed murder was around 1974

878
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,240
in Washington state. 
Typically, we know he targeted 

879
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,560
young women who were often 
college students. 

880
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,800
He really liked to gravitate 
towards those college towns. 

881
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,840
And ironically, many of the 
victims had long, dark hair 

882
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,240
parted in the middle. 
Yeah. 

883
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,040
And he targeted women who looked
like his very first love, Miss 

884
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,600
Diane Edwards. 
Now, he had met her in the late 

885
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,640
60s, and she came from a very 
wealthy family. 

886
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,360
And she was like the definition 
of perfection, according to Ted.

887
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,720
So when he looked at her, he 
envisioned the life that he 

888
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,560
wanted to create for his self. 
And once she graduated, she 

889
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,120
ended things with him because 
she thought that he was just 

890
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,560
really too immature. 
And they just weren't at the 

891
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,680
same, They weren't at the same 
places in their life. 

892
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,760
And this broke Ted like it broke
him in two. 

893
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Now Diane had said that Ted had 
like direction and he was 

894
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,480
immature and he really just 
wasn't ambitious enough. 

895
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:37,960
Bundy would later run a long 
coin, I think like 7 years or 

896
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,640
something like that, where he 
would work on himself, he would 

897
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,400
get his self involved in 
politics, he would get a good 

898
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,040
job and he would work. 
When he would later actually 

899
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,040
meet up with Diane, they would 
date. 

900
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:59,160
She fell back in love with him, 
he proposed, and then he ghosted

901
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,600
her after she said yes. 
I mean, no more contact. 

902
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Yeah, no more contact after 
that. 

903
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,360
He just like goes. 
That is how freaking petty Ted 

904
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,200
Bundy was. 
I. 

905
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,760
Feel like that this this 
actually is making you super mad

906
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,760
that he just ghosted her. 
He just ghosted her like 

907
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,480
propose. 
Will you marry me? 

908
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,720
She was like, Oh yes, yes, Ted, 
I love you. 

909
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,200
And then after that, gone. 
What a blessing to. 

910
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,280
Her, she had no idea. 
What a blessing to her that Ted 

911
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Bundy ghosted her. 
You know what? 

912
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,600
Ghost me. 
Ghost. 

913
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,760
Ghost everybody. 
Yes, Ted Bundy. 

914
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,280
Ghost everybody. 
And of course, we know he used 

915
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,240
manipulation to fake injuries, 
like an arm sling. 

916
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:47,200
He would ask for help. 
He wore an arm cast. 

917
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,160
He would ask. 
He would even ask women to carry

918
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,560
books or help him load a. 
Boat he also would dress up as a

919
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,120
police officer. 
Yes, and that to me is more OK 

920
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,480
That to me is more scary than 
anything because you can walk by

921
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,200
somebody. 
It's going on. 

922
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,320
Can you help me with this? 
No, Sir, I cannot. 

923
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,120
I cannot help you with that. 
But maybe we can go get a bunch 

924
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,440
of people and then we can help 
you. 

925
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,000
I'm not helping you with Jack 
over over this. 

926
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,680
And I'll cover one of the 
victims of when he used the 

927
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,120
police attack. 
But now the police officer, you 

928
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,200
know, we see a police officer as
anybody would. 

929
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,240
They stop you and we want to 
stop. 

930
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,200
Authority of. 
Course you stop, right? 

931
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,560
That's scary to me. 
That's scary to me. 

932
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:37,280
Any who keep going. 
All right, so the, I think what 

933
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:45,240
was really most intriguing was 
the escalation of his murders. 

934
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,800
And of course, Ted didn't stay 
in one place. 

935
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,520
As the investigation would get 
closer to him and they would 

936
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,800
start connecting the dots, he 
would simply move and then the 

937
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,480
bodies would follow. 
So he would start in Washington,

938
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,440
they would start to see a 
pattern. 

939
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,400
They would get close to him, 
like sniffing him out, and he 

940
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,440
would move. 
So and there's a couple 

941
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,320
locations that we're going to go
over. 

942
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,880
Are you going to? 
Talk about some of the stuff he 

943
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,200
did after they passed away 
because it actually I was 

944
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,720
floored about Oh yes, OK, 
because like I said, I I did 

945
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,360
more of the. 
I kind of made a timeline with 

946
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,960
the murders, the states, the 
victims. 

947
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
OK, OK, because I have stuff to 
add to it. 

948
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,400
OK, just. 
Interrupt when you're to that. 

949
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,160
Point Yeah, you don't have to 
tell me to interrupt, just 

950
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,160
interrupt. 
I will just. 

951
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,440
Interrupt so the major locations
were in Washington and Oregon. 

952
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,240
He killed at least 11 women, but
they believe that number could 

953
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:44,080
be much higher. 
He mainly took These murders 

954
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,680
mainly took place in 1974 around
the Seattle area's college 

955
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,000
campuses. 
So your Washington victims 

956
00:49:53,000 --> 00:50:00,120
include Linda and Healing. 
February 1st and 1974. 

957
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,280
She was 21. 
She disappeared from her 

958
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,920
basement bedroom in Seattle. 
Upon taking her body, Bundy 

959
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,120
actually made the bed and hung 
her nightgown back up in her 

960
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,080
closet with blood on it. 
Just keep going. 

961
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,600
I mean, he was just such a sick 
it was. 

962
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,520
Almost like a ha ha ha, you know
what I mean? 

963
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,280
I mean, it's just it is really 
unbelievable to me what he got 

964
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,200
by with and nobody really knew 
it. 

965
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,560
But I mean, he also, are you 
going to talk about how he 

966
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,360
escaped a couple times? 
OK, Yep. 

967
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,960
OK, keep going, keep going. 
So, Donna GAIL Manson, March 

968
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,800
12th, 1974. 
She was 19 now. 

969
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,240
She was last seen walking to a 
concert. 

970
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,560
They've never found her body. 
They've never discovered her 

971
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,280
body. 
Susan Elaine Rancourt, April 

972
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,680
17th, 1974. 
She was 18. 

973
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,360
She disappeared after attending 
a dorm meeting. 

974
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,640
Now, her remains were eventually
found, but it wasn't until 

975
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,640
months later that they found 
those in some neighboring woods.

976
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Roberta Kathleen Parks May 6th, 
1974 Roberta was 20. 

977
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,640
She was last seen leaving the 
dorms to grab some coffee. 

978
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Her remains were also recovered 
later on in a forested area. 

979
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,120
Brenda Carroll Ball May 31st, 
1974. 

980
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,200
She was last seen leaving a bar 
headed towards the parking lot, 

981
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,000
but then she was never seen 
again. 

982
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,240
Her skull would be the only 
piece recovered in the Cascade 

983
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:44,840
Mountains in 1975. 
And again, it's probably 

984
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,760
believed that as she was leaving
the bar, Bundy was there and he,

985
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,800
he went with that. 
Oh, I'm injured mate. 

986
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,720
Can you help me to my car? 
Can you help me with this? 

987
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:59,560
George Ann Hawkins, she's one of
the more famous of his victims. 

988
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,320
She disappeared June 11th of 
1974. 

989
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,160
She was walking down an alley 
after visiting her boyfriend at 

990
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,480
his dorms and she just vanished.
The ironic thing here is a 

991
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,640
witness actually heard her 
scream and a loud thud and they 

992
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,920
reported that when they heard 
that, they looked out their 

993
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:26,040
apartment window and they could 
see a man assisting a woman 

994
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,520
walking due to what looked like 
an injured ankle. 

995
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,760
They've never recovered her 
body. 

996
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,400
These last two are when 
investigators really began to 

997
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,080
see a pattern. 
Now, this is the major public 

998
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,040
abduction. 
So he was actually so ballsy 

999
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:51,920
that he was trying this in broad
daylight at Lake Samish State 

1000
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:58,480
Park, July 19, 1974, Bundy 
abducted two women in broad 

1001
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,760
daylight. 
He was becoming wildly brazen, 

1002
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,720
as they were lots of people 
around and about. 

1003
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,440
It is. 
It's a good thing, though, that 

1004
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,160
he became brazen because this is
where they start getting the 

1005
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,480
witnesses. 
Start piercing the puzzle. 

1006
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,240
This is where they start finding
out because imagine if they had 

1007
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,920
never caught him. 
We're talking victims. 

1008
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,720
They know of at least 30 and 
that's what they know of. 

1009
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,800
And literally just last month, 
yeah, they identified another 

1010
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,720
one of his victims, 2026. 
So imagine if they had if he 

1011
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,280
hadn't start gotten brazen and 
doing all this stuff and people 

1012
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,760
started saying, hey, Volkswagen 
hurt him, say Ted, this creepy 

1013
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,280
guy just to get into the car had
a limp, he had a cane, he had a 

1014
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,280
cast. 
This is a good thing that he 

1015
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,920
starts getting brazen because 
you go from you know which God 

1016
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,600
bless 30 some victim. 
It's just. 

1017
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,560
It's, and I think they, I mean 
obviously because they just 

1018
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,440
discovered another victim. 
We don't know how many, How? 

1019
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,200
We have no idea. 
No, but I, I mean, I am so glad 

1020
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,120
that he was like, you know what,
I'm so cocky now. 

1021
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,600
I'm going to do this in broad 
daylight so they can eventually 

1022
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:16,080
catch this evil evil vile wicked
like that's the name of the one 

1023
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,760
of the movies documentary. 
Vile wicked like disgusting. 

1024
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,240
Just keep going. 
Now these two ladies, Miss 

1025
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:27,760
Janice and Aunt who was 23 and 
Denise Marie Naslund was 18. 

1026
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,320
Both of these ladies were 
believed to have been kidnapped 

1027
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,800
under the ruse of an injured Ted
when he walked up to them and 

1028
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,360
asked them to help load a 
sailboat. 

1029
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,240
These weren't together. 
Here's the thing though, like 

1030
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,440
you're going to ask, OK, if 
you're going to be there and 

1031
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,880
you're going to a man is not 
going to ask a woman. 

1032
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,240
A real legit man is not going to
ask a woman. 

1033
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,680
Help me load my sailboat. 
I don't know, red. 

1034
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,880
Flag. 
I have been at Eastland Lake and

1035
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,760
seen some of these guys trying 
to back his boat trailers down 

1036
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,720
and I'm like bro you need some. 
Help. 

1037
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,760
OK, so you're trying to get. 
Yourself killed. 

1038
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,600
I'm like, is that what you're 
doing? 

1039
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,040
You've been here for 10 minutes.
Do you need some help? 

1040
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,080
Don't offer help. 
I'm girls. 

1041
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,320
It's just, it's just not worth 
it. 

1042
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Don't offer help, Elisa. 
Quit being dumb. 

1043
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:20,320
But this, these two abductions 
happened within just hours of 

1044
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,640
each other. 
Their remains were recovered 

1045
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,480
outside Seattle in the woods. 
Now, during interviews that he 

1046
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,480
had done before his execution in
1989, Bundy admitted that after 

1047
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,240
some murders in Washington, he 
would sometimes decapitate his 

1048
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:39,560
victims and just keep his heads,
keep their heads right around in

1049
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,880
the bug with their heads. 
I don't. 

1050
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,600
I can't. 
I have Nope, nothing. 

1051
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,720
Now. 
I don't know what to say. 

1052
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:47,800
There's nothing. 
Keep going. 

1053
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,800
I have nothing. 
Now, he did tell investigators 

1054
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,400
that he would transport some of 
the heads in his Volkswagen 

1055
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,480
Beetle. 
He would take them back to his 

1056
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,560
apartment. 
Sometimes he would keep them for

1057
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,640
a while before disposing of 
them. 

1058
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,720
He would also practice 
necrophilia until the bodies 

1059
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,640
were too putrefied to keep its 
form. 

1060
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,400
Meaning he would dump these 
bodies on the mountain. 

1061
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,760
This is Taylor Mountain. 
They found a lot of remains on 

1062
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,520
Taylor Mountain. 
He would dump them. 

1063
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,640
He would go back and visit the 
bodies many different times, and

1064
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,320
investigators believe this may 
have happened with some of the 

1065
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,160
women's whose remains were later
found on Taylor Mountain and 

1066
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,000
nearby wilderness areas. 
Are you saying that he would, he

1067
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,920
would, he would, he would do an 
act with the body? 

1068
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,840
He would assault the body, the 
body, the. 

1069
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,600
Act of the body the. 
Decomposing body. 

1070
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,000
Can you imagine? 
I just want to take a take a 

1071
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,680
step back. 
This is where my mind went. 

1072
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:53,640
Imagine finding this out and not
knowing that your man was doing 

1073
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,760
this right. 
No idea, I didn't even think 

1074
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,360
about it from that end. 
Seriously, you have no idea your

1075
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,000
man's doing this. 
You think he's on a work 

1076
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,480
vacation? 
Like a work thing? 

1077
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,720
Like you really honest to. 
Scratch and sniff, girl. 

1078
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,960
Scratch and sniff. 
And you come back and you have a

1079
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,120
relationship with your live in 
boyfriend, right? 

1080
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,560
And then you find this out. 
You. 

1081
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,080
I mean seriously, like, Can you 
imagine? 

1082
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,520
That he got his rocks off. 
Can you imagine the mental 

1083
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,280
anguish and everything that she 
went through when she found that

1084
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,280
out? 
I thought is insane. 

1085
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,560
I wish my mind hadn't went 
there. 

1086
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,840
I hadn't even thought about that
aspect. 

1087
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Look at you turning into dark 
and and. 

1088
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,160
I don't mean it. 
That's what I thought about 

1089
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,600
like. 
She thought of that angle. 

1090
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,120
That's messed up. 
You didn't have to say scratch 

1091
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,400
and sniff. 
So that's what we were talking 

1092
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,880
about, the beginning of the 
thing. 

1093
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,160
OK, keep going. 
This is. 

1094
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,960
So the skulls of Janice OTT and 
Denise Naslund where found on 

1095
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,720
Taylor Mountain. 
Now, Bundy reportedly told 

1096
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,800
investigators that keeping the 
heads just kind of allowed him 

1097
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,440
to relive the crime and maintain
control over the victims. 

1098
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,680
And of course, we're all 
familiar now in 2026, this is 

1099
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,520
what they refer to. 
He kept a trophy. 

1100
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,080
Oh, yeah. 
That's what the end of this 

1101
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,360
trophy. 
He he kept a trophy. 

1102
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Somebody had mentioned. 
Actually, it was during the live

1103
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,520
when we were talking about John 
Wayne Gacy. 

1104
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,840
I think it was during the live. 
I don't know. 

1105
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,040
But dude, don't listen. 
Can you hold on? 

1106
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,760
I'm gonna move the microphone. 
Listen. 

1107
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,520
I'm gonna move the microphone. 
Listen. 

1108
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,520
She's here. 
She. 

1109
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,480
Snores like a grown man. 
Like it's so loud. 

1110
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,680
She's under the desk. 
I'm worried about her. 

1111
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,200
Her deviated. 
She needs, well, I'm going to 

1112
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,080
start to go go fund me for 
Lucy's deviated septum. 

1113
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,760
Surgery so loud it's vibrating 
the bottom of my feet she's 

1114
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,560
laying on. 
Anyways, we talked about this 

1115
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520
and somebody was like, oh, life 
in prison, you know, we should, 

1116
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,800
you know, life in prison, 
something not good enough for 

1117
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,080
them, blah, blah, blah, and all 
this stuff. 

1118
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,400
We should, you know, they should
not get the satisfaction of 

1119
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,040
being killed. 
Or I don't know what it was, but

1120
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,880
I was like, it doesn't work that
way. 

1121
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,280
That's not the way these people 
every day that they get to live,

1122
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,720
they get to replay this in their
mind when they go to trial. 

1123
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,680
It's almost like a little smirk 
on their face. 

1124
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,440
I'm going to dig into. 
That you get to, they get to 

1125
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,960
relive it and it's not piss you 
off all human beings. 

1126
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,520
Like it's not like, I mean, 
really put them, just get rid of

1127
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,200
them. 
I don't know why it takes so 

1128
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,720
freaking long to execute 
somebody when we know for a fact

1129
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,400
that they've done all this 
stuff, but they get all of these

1130
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,240
freaking appeals. 
It kills me. 

1131
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,280
You know they did this horrible 
shit. 

1132
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Get rid of them. 
Put them in sparky and let them 

1133
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,960
go. 
So with these two ladies, this 

1134
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,480
was the first time investigators
began to start to connect the 

1135
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,840
crimes. 
And again, like we said before, 

1136
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,360
once Ted could feel them 
sniffing on his heels, he up and

1137
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,960
moved. 
So at this point, he goes to 

1138
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,520
Utah. 
From 1974 to 1975, Bundy moved 

1139
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,840
to Utah and the killings 
followed. 

1140
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,000
Now, this is when investigators 
began seeing a pattern and they 

1141
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,560
started putting it all together 
and they were like Ding, Ding, 

1142
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,960
Ding, hey, we may have a serial 
killer on our you think. 

1143
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:29,200
But by the time that happened, 
Bundy had already perfected his 

1144
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,080
methods. 
So his Utah victims include Miss

1145
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,400
Nancy Wilcox, October 2nd of 
1974. 

1146
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,080
She was 16. 
She disappeared after leaving 

1147
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,040
her home to go meet up with 
friends. 

1148
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,760
They've never found her body. 
This was a murder that he 

1149
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,320
confessed. 
He lured her to his car and he 

1150
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,200
killed her. 
Melissa Smith October 18th, 

1151
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:02,680
1974, she was 17, disappeared 
after leaving a pizza parlor. 

1152
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,080
Her body was found nine days 
later in the mountains. 

1153
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,040
Ironically, her dad was the 
police chief of Midvale. 

1154
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:18,040
UT. 
Laura AM October 31st, 1974. 

1155
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:22,320
She was just 17 years old. 
She disappeared after leaving a 

1156
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,880
Halloween party. 
Her body would be recovered now.

1157
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,480
Carol Durant November 8th of 
1974. 

1158
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,280
Bundy approached Carol at the 
mall pretending to be a 

1159
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,120
policeman. 
He tried to use the ruse that 

1160
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,760
someone had tried to break into 
her car and that she needed to 

1161
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,040
come with him, but instead of 
heading to the station, he drove

1162
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,720
in the opposite direction. 
He then tried to handcuff and 

1163
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,760
beat her with a crowbar, but 
thank God she was able to 

1164
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:01,680
escape. 
Now she was able to identify 

1165
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:08,160
Bundy later. 
Deborah Kent November 8th, 1974.

1166
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,440
It's believed that right after 
Carol escaped, he still had to 

1167
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,360
feed that impulse. 
So he had failed. 

1168
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,040
He was wanting to, you know, 
satisfy that impulse. 

1169
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:26,640
So literally within just moments
of trying to kidnap Durant, Kent

1170
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,760
would disappear in the middle of
a school play rehearsal. 

1171
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,880
Kent had stepped outside to grab
something from her car and she 

1172
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,880
never returned. 
Police would later link Kent to 

1173
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,880
Bundy by finding a key that 
belonged to her. 

1174
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,600
He did confess to killing her, 
but her remains have never been 

1175
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,880
found. 
Now this is where Bundy gets his

1176
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,760
first arrest in 1975 after 
police pulls him over and they 

1177
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,040
find suspicious items in his 
car. 

1178
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,880
Yes, I remember. 
This so basically he has a 

1179
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,520
murder kit in his car. 
And again, like we said, these 

1180
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,640
murders really increased in the 
in the sheer brutality over 

1181
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,840
time. 
So again, what does Bundy do 

1182
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,000
once they sniff him out? 
He moves. 

1183
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,720
So from 1975 to 1977, he hits 
Colorado. 

1184
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,000
He moved to Colorado after his 
sprees in Washington, Oregon and

1185
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,720
Utah. 
During his time, he really 

1186
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:34,360
focused on the resorts around 
Aspen because, again, he likes, 

1187
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,200
you know, these social cliques, 
you know, the colleges, the ski 

1188
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,560
resorts. 
There's a lot of. 

1189
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,280
People fit in with them. 
You're talking about, you are 

1190
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,240
literally talking about a 
manipulative genius. 

1191
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,320
He is that he is a master at 
manipulation and you see him and

1192
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,040
he doesn't look. 
We all have this picture of this

1193
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,200
what a monster looks like. 
And Ted Bundy did not look like 

1194
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,320
a monster. 
And we've got to get that out of

1195
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,840
our heads of what you know, this
guy doesn't look dangerous. 

1196
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,080
This woman does. 
Well, Allen Walters, I mean, 

1197
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,560
that woman looked dangerous. 
I mean, she did let's like. 

1198
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,400
But Allen Warners. 
But she, I mean, you know, you 

1199
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,240
have this look, they don't look 
dangerous. 

1200
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,920
Well, let's talk about that 
Wilson guy. 

1201
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,760
He he killed like, Oh my God, he
killed like 3 or 4 women. 

1202
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,200
However many we've not covered 
him because that actually makes 

1203
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,480
me livid because these women are
like, Oh my God, he's so hot. 

1204
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,400
He's literally on trial. 
Yeah, he's literally on trial 

1205
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,360
for murder. 
Yeah, in the most horrific ways.

1206
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,680
And they're like, he's so hot. 
He's so hot. 

1207
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,720
Girls, good looking guys, 
beautiful women can be 

1208
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,920
dangerous. 
Yes, yes, absolutely. 

1209
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,720
Now here's where things start to
get a little sideways. 

1210
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,800
He gets extradited to Colorado. 
He gets charged with murder. 

1211
01:04:54,520 --> 01:05:00,040
However, he escaped from jail 
not once, but twice. 

1212
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,520
The first time was in 1977. 
He was acting as his own 

1213
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,960
attorney and he requests to go 
to the lawyer's library to read 

1214
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,840
up on his case, which is a 
completely normal thing. 

1215
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,360
However, he jumps out of the 
second story window and fails. 

1216
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,040
So the reason he was able to 
jump from a second story window 

1217
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,320
is that, and this is allegedly 
he had been jumping from the top

1218
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,440
of his bed and getting his shins
and ankles prepared for this. 

1219
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,200
Like this. 
You know, you're going to, you 

1220
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,560
know, the impact, the impact, he
had been training for it when 

1221
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,840
nobody was looking for him 
because he knew this was going 

1222
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,880
to happen. 
And as soon as the cop, you 

1223
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,920
know, whoever the security guard
was there, you know, turned his 

1224
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,640
back, he jumped. 
Yeah, he jumped out the second 

1225
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,480
window and took off. 
And the baffling thing about 

1226
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,640
this? 
He jumps out of the window, he 

1227
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,760
flees. 
This guy lives in the woods for 

1228
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,280
like 6 days before being 
captured again. 

1229
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,280
Now his second escape he fled 
through the prison ceiling even 

1230
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,520
after inmates kept telling the 
guards they could hear something

1231
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,120
in the ceiling. 
This guy literally goes into the

1232
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:19,480
jailhouse ceiling and escapes. 
After he does this successfully,

1233
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:25,560
he flees to Florida and this is 
where he would commit the famous

1234
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,800
Chi Omega murders. 
Yeah, this one is. 

1235
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,000
This one is. 
It's awful. 

1236
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
It is it? 
I mean, they're all awful. 

1237
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,120
I don't mean it like that, but I
mean it's go ahead. 

1238
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,520
The known victims connected to 
this particular period is Karen 

1239
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,880
Campbell. 
She was murdered on January 12th

1240
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,160
of 1975. 
This she was believed to be 

1241
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,640
taken from the hallway and 
Snowman's Village ski resort 

1242
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,320
while on vacation with her 
fiance. 

1243
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:59,440
So these two 1-2 these three 
women were back in Aspen, so 

1244
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,720
Colorado. 
These women. 

1245
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,480
I just wanted to make sure. 
Julie Cunningham disappeared 

1246
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,560
March 15th, 1975 while walking 
from her apartment to meet 

1247
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,960
friends near Vale again, Bundy 
admitted to faking being 

1248
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,120
injured. 
I asked her, hey can you please 

1249
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,280
help me scary carry my ski boots
I hurt myself. 

1250
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:26,200
Her body's never been found. 
Denise Oliverson Grand Junction 

1251
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,640
August 6th, 1975 She disappeared
while riding her bike to her 

1252
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,040
parents home. 
Now Bundy stated that he killed 

1253
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,920
her and threw her body in the 
Colorado River again. 

1254
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,400
Her remains have never been 
recovered. 

1255
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,800
How sad for those families too, 
that they've never actually got 

1256
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,320
to put their loved one to to 
actual rest. 

1257
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,240
You know, that's that's very sad
that they, you know, that they 

1258
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,160
don't get a body that they just 
have to listen to this serial 

1259
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:57,520
maniac, this vow human being. 
He's not even human. 

1260
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,360
This vow evil demon talk about, 
well, this is what I did to your

1261
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,480
loved one, but you're never 
going to find their bodies, so 

1262
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,640
you're never going to get that. 
Never have closure. 

1263
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,280
You're never going to get that 
closure. 

1264
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:12,280
And so I can't imagine, you 
know, thinking maybe they got 

1265
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,520
away, you know, like always 
holding out that thread of hope 

1266
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:20,120
and how awful that. 
Is so after this again, you 

1267
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,840
know, we said that he got 
arrested the second time he 

1268
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,240
escaped. 
He fled to Florida. 1978 in 

1269
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:31,160
Florida is when he resurfaces 
and this is where his crimes 

1270
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:37,680
become even more brutal is the 
GI Omega sorority murders now at

1271
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,720
the GI Omega house at Florida 
State University, January 15th 

1272
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:47,680
of 1978 around 3:00 AM. 
In a span less than 20 minutes, 

1273
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,560
Ted would attack four women, 
killing two. 

1274
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:57,720
His weapon of choice was a stick
of firewood. 

1275
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,399
His victims were Margaret 
Bowman. 

1276
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,200
She was 21. 
She had no idea what was coming.

1277
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,279
She was beaten to death while 
she slept. 

1278
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,399
Lisa Levy was 20. 
She too was beaten to death 

1279
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,000
while she. 
Slept with a log. 

1280
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,439
They actually think it was a 
log. 

1281
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,160
They never failed. 
Firewood, they never actually 

1282
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,680
failed. 
And correct me if I'm wrong, 

1283
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,840
they actually never found the, 
the log, but they said that he 

1284
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,880
they had firewood out out front.
And what they think is that they

1285
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,200
didn't know that that was the 
murder weapon. 

1286
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,720
And they may have actually just 
burned it like you know where he

1287
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,840
threw it. 
But yeah, it wasn't like he he 

1288
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,960
picked up a log and walked in 
and killed he. 

1289
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,120
He killed these women while they
slept with a log. 

1290
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,920
Now Lisa Levy not only was 
beaten to death, she was also 

1291
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,200
strangled and there were bite 
marks on her body. 

1292
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:55,320
And that was his downfall. 
That would match Bundy because 

1293
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:01,000
Bundy had a chipped tooth. 
So that particular bite imprint 

1294
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,960
imprint it would be impossible 
to mistake. 

1295
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,920
OK, so I don't know if you're 
going to go more into this, but 

1296
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,240
they got a warrant. 
So when that happened, teeth 

1297
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,320
imprints or impressions at the 
time, it was a new thing. 

1298
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,360
It was a very new thing. 
And they needed a warrant 

1299
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,400
because they knew what Ted Bundy
would do if they if he knew that

1300
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,680
they needed a bite impression, 
they knew that he would knock 

1301
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,680
his teeth out. 
They knew that he would do that.

1302
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,120
So they got a warrant for him. 
And you can Google the pictures 

1303
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,480
and look a warrant for his 
mouth. 

1304
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,080
They got a warrant for. 
He had no idea what was 

1305
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,480
happening. 
They go into his cell, they drag

1306
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,200
him out of his cell. 
They take him. 

1307
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,920
He thinks that he's going 
somewhere. 

1308
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,680
He has no idea. 
He's going to a dentist's 

1309
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,680
office. 
They handcuff him, secure him, 

1310
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,840
and put that thing in his mouth,
like the impression thing in his

1311
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,520
mouth, because they got a 
warrant for it. 

1312
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,040
Because they knew that if he 
knew what was going on, he bust 

1313
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,400
his teeth out and they wouldn't 
have that because again, 

1314
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,800
impressions were a new thing. 
That was a new evidence and his 

1315
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,960
his teeth were honest to God, so
jacked up they were twisted and 

1316
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,360
stuff. 
It was a perfect match. 

1317
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,680
It was a perfect match. 
Right. 

1318
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:13,800
So Kathy Kleiner was beaten to 
death while sleeping. 

1319
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,320
Oh, I'm sorry, take that back. 
Kathy Kleiner was beaten while 

1320
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,760
sleeping. 
She ended up having severe 

1321
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,680
injuries, including a broken 
jaw, but she survived. 

1322
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:29,440
I actually listened to an 
interview with her on another 

1323
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:32,040
podcast and I'll have to throw 
in the sources and look it up 

1324
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,640
because listened to it a while 
back and I can't, I can't 

1325
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:40,480
remember, but her and her 
roommate, Karen Chandler, both 

1326
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,400
of them were beaten unconscious,
but they both were able to 

1327
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,120
survive. 
They both would later testify 

1328
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,600
about the attack. 
And when I'm listening to 

1329
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,160
Kathy's interview, she said that
she she rolled over. 

1330
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,400
She was in and out of 
consciousness. 

1331
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,240
And I think she's like, she was 
laying on her side or something.

1332
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:03,280
And she could hear him hitting 
Karen. 

1333
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,760
And she said she could remember 
opening her eyes and, you know, 

1334
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,200
like in the night when 
headlights come through the 

1335
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,640
window. 
Yeah, she remembered seeing 

1336
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,080
that. 
And he stopped. 

1337
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,400
So she thinks that he thought 
the only reason that they 

1338
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,760
survived was that he's seen 
those headlights. 

1339
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,000
And he thought, oh, shit, he's 
about to get caught. 

1340
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,520
Somebody's coming. 
And he left. 

1341
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,200
Now, after a 20 minute rampage, 
Bundy broke into another 

1342
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,360
apartment nearby and attacked 
Cheryl Thomas, who was a 21 year

1343
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,040
old dance student. 
She too survived, but she also 

1344
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:45,800
suffered permanent injuries. 
Now the final victim, the final 

1345
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:51,320
straw, the final nail in his 
coffin was his youngest victim, 

1346
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,280
12 year old Kimberly. 
Lee, this is the one I remember 

1347
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,240
them talking about. 
Yes, she gets abducted. 

1348
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,320
From school on February 9th of 
1979. 

1349
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,840
And this is still in Florida? 
Yes, it's believed. 

1350
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,680
That Bundy posed as an authority
figure and persuaded the girl to

1351
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,600
come with him. 
She didn't make it to her next 

1352
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,280
class and a search ensued. 
Witnesses were able to state 

1353
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,720
there was a strange man near the
school and officers began 

1354
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,840
connecting the dots to the Omega
murders. 

1355
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,360
It would be 7 weeks later before
her body would be found in a 

1356
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,920
shed near the Suwanee River 
State Parkway, Suwanee. 

1357
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,720
The murder ultimately led to 
Bundy's capture. 

1358
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:41,760
So that that kind of was was the
end of his demise. 

1359
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:46,600
So again, as he was murdering 
throughout these states, they 

1360
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:47,880
would get so close to. 
Catch. 

1361
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,440
You mean that was the beginning 
of his demise, not the end of 

1362
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:51,920
his demise? 
Oh, yeah, there's the beginning.

1363
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:52,640
Yeah. 
Hello. 

1364
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,400
What? 
Yeah. 

1365
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,360
Yeah. 
But. 

1366
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,720
But yeah, so, and of course, we,
you just mentioned it with the, 

1367
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,400
with the one guy, you know, they
wrote love letters to him during

1368
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,880
his trial. 
Like he had fans and like, 

1369
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,160
people were like, obsessed with 
him. 

1370
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,360
Yeah, I mean, like legit 
obsessed with him. 

1371
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,680
Imagine that. 
Like, like and he, like Elisa 

1372
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,040
said earlier, he got married. 
Yeah. 

1373
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,440
To this woman named what was her
name? 

1374
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:23,280
Carol? 
Carol Lamb Boone or something. 

1375
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,360
Was his mom named Carol or did I
get that confused? 

1376
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,240
I think his moms name was Carol,
but I don't know. 

1377
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,680
Anyways, they allowed him to 
have. 

1378
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,160
I can't. 
Even say it. 

1379
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,880
Oh my God. 
Anyways. 

1380
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,720
They allowed him to do it right?
Yeah, with her. 

1381
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,440
Because they were married. 
Yeah. 

1382
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,720
And he did. 
I mean, they got married on 

1383
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,480
stage. 
You can Google and watch the 

1384
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:50,320
video and everything like on 
stage, on the witness stand, 

1385
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,920
because there was a loophole in 
the in the in the system. 

1386
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,120
He got her pregnant. 
Ted Bundy has a daughter out 

1387
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,280
there somewhere now. 
I'm not, you know, she may be, 

1388
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,600
you know, Angel on what you 
know, Angel with wings and all 

1389
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,760
this stuff. 
I'm not saying that she is not. 

1390
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,280
She's her father. 
That's not at all what I'm 

1391
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,840
saying. 
But I'm just saying they let him

1392
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,840
have do it visits because I 
can't say that word. 

1393
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,720
Conjugal Conjugal I. 
Don't even know if. 

1394
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,800
You're conjugal, we'll call it. 
Do it visits? 

1395
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:31,720
They let him do it with his 
crazy new wife and she had a 

1396
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,920
baby. 
Now, the baby's name at the time

1397
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,320
was Rose. 
But I guess the woman now, you 

1398
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,760
know, and she's probably in her 
fifties right now. 

1399
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,880
She's probably in her 50s, maybe
living. 

1400
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:50,680
I mean, she has to be living a, 
you know, a good, like a legal 

1401
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,160
life. 
Like, what's the word I'm 

1402
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,000
looking for here? 
Like she's not, she's not in 

1403
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,280
trouble. 
Because if she was, he'd be all 

1404
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,320
over the news. 
Right. 

1405
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,000
But I think she changed her 
name. 

1406
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,080
Well, yeah, I would. 
You would have to change your 

1407
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,760
name, like, I mean, you know, 
who are you? 

1408
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Hi. 
My name is Rose. 

1409
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,800
I'm Ted Bundy's daughter. 
What? 

1410
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,400
So anyways, yes he did. 
He did father a child while in 

1411
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,240
jail, which again, that's crazy 
to me. 

1412
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:17,000
Why are we letting people who 
have killed people have, you 

1413
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,520
know, sex? 
Have good times. 

1414
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,360
Why are we doing? 
That I think my, my most 

1415
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:31,440
shocking moment was he, he was 
even manipulating these victims 

1416
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,680
during the trials because he 
interviewed these survivors 

1417
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,640
himself, because remember, he 
was his own attorney. 

1418
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,400
Most people believe it was his 
sadistic way of reliving the 

1419
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,040
acts and making them describe 
them to him. 

1420
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,440
So he would ask, he was like, 
well, what did he do then? 

1421
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,640
Well, what did he do? 
That hearing the ACT spoke back 

1422
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,960
to him about one of the victims,
I can't even imagine, but one of

1423
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:03,200
the victims, and again, I'm not 
sure which one, she wouldn't 

1424
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,800
really elaborate on the attack. 
She had just kind of stuck to 

1425
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,600
yes and no questions. 
And this pissed Bundy off big 

1426
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,000
time. 
He became so irate and he 

1427
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,160
slammed his hands down and 
yelled, you need to answer me. 

1428
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,960
And she said, there he is, 
There's the monster. 

1429
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,000
I mean, that that gives me 
chills. 

1430
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,240
Like, she was not like, baiting 
into him. 

1431
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:39,160
So before Bundy's execution, he 
did confess to 30 murders, 

1432
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,200
though again, we believe there 
were many more. 

1433
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:48,320
He was executed January 24th in 
1989 in the Florida Electric 

1434
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,040
Chair. 
They caught, did they call it 

1435
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,240
sparky or is that Texas that 
called sparky? 

1436
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,840
But crowds gathered outside the 
prison and they were cheering. 

1437
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:06,280
So I mean, I just, I think the 
most shocking part for me is him

1438
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,880
having the ability to interview 
the witnesses. 

1439
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:15,640
That's the most like I I can't 
even fathom no. 

1440
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,720
They had to face it again. 
Imagine how brave they were. 

1441
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,280
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Elisa, what was that number 

1455
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,680
again? 
I was driving my car the other 

1456
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,040
day and it was acting a little 
wonky. 

1457
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:16,800
I don't know how to describe it.
It's 30452 289800 give. 

1458
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,880
Him a call Awesome. 
I'll call make it Aletha. 

1459
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,920
Thanks. 
So everybody that's on death row

1460
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,080
gets a last meal request. 
Ted Bundy also got one. 

1461
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,200
I think it's ridiculous. 
I think they should get water in

1462
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,120
a bar so but whatever. 
And I didn't mean that for them 

1463
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,560
to have a bath. 
I just meant something 

1464
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,200
disgusting like a glass of water
and eat so but anyways, that 

1465
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,000
came out wrong. 
He was offered a last meal, he 

1466
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:40,640
refused it. 
They ended up giving him like 

1467
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,720
steak and eggs and all and toast
and hash Browns and stuff and he

1468
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,800
still didn't eat it. 
Like he just refused his last 

1469
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,840
meal. 
Which good on you. 

1470
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,480
Taxpayers should not have to pay
for a last meal for, you know, 

1471
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,760
for steak. 
Literally think of this. 

1472
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,320
I really want you to think of 
this. 

1473
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,400
They fed him steak. 
They gave him steak. 

1474
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,600
Y'all pay for it? 
And we can't even buy steak 

1475
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,480
right now because gas dag on 450
a gallon. 

1476
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,200
But they offered Ted Bundy steak
anyways after he was 

1477
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,920
electrocuted. 
So rightfully so, they cremated 

1478
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:17,600
him and spread his ashes in 
Washington over a mountain. 

1479
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,040
And that is where he left so 
many victims is in that 

1480
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,280
mountain. 
And they put his ashes there. 

1481
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,480
And I think that it's just 
horrific. 

1482
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:30,000
They literally should have 
flushed him down the toilet. 

1483
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,320
Yeah, I don't agree with Sprit. 
I don't know, I don't remember 

1484
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,360
seeing anything about that, but 
I feel like if I was a victim's 

1485
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,160
family, I'd be freaking pissed 
that they shouldn't do Brain. 

1486
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,200
Was the last ashes on the hill 
where his like? 

1487
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:46,600
Can we get off on that? 
Yeah, I'm sure he did. 

1488
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,680
It was like his last. 
Ha ha ha to you. 

1489
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,360
Yeah. 
Like, I think they shouldn't 

1490
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,280
even do that. 
They should have just cremated 

1491
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,920
him and flushing down the toilet
and let you know, because he was

1492
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,400
crap. 
And that's where crap goes. 

1493
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:56,680
Yeah. 
I. 

1494
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:02,200
Agree so but that's Ted Bundy. 
We hope you guys like that 

1495
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:07,360
story, that version again, let 
us know how you like that flow. 

1496
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,400
Listen to your dog. 
I know she's. 

1497
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:10,800
Listen to this. 
I'm gonna do it again. 

1498
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:17,440
Listen to this. 
Listen, do you hear that? 

1499
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:21,400
That's her dog, I'm telling you.
So if you want to help Elisas 

1500
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:26,400
dog with a deviated septon that 
snores like a £400 man. 

1501
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,320
That's what she sounds like. 
Oh my gosh, send her some. 

1502
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,120
This dog needs a nose job. 
Y'all holler at me, I'll send 

1503
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:39,400
you my cash. 
App Oh no oh look, she got up 

1504
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:41,240
she's got. 
Sad you're making fun of her. 

1505
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:42,680
She's a little nose job, we'll 
call her. 

1506
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:47,040
We'll call her Lucy Kardashian. 
But we officially hit 500 

1507
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,840
followers on Spotify. 
Which is huge they're. 

1508
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,160
So thankful for that guys. 
That's a huge milestone for. 

1509
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,760
Us that really is like Spotify 
followers and like you know, you

1510
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,560
think of that 0500 followers 
Facebook that's not a lot. 

1511
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,640
Spotify on Facebook, that's not 
the same. 

1512
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,840
It's not the same. 
That is awesome. 

1513
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,200
Thank you so much we're almost 
at 20,000 listens, 20,000 

1514
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,600
listens. 
I mean ridiculous, ridiculous. 

1515
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,120
I mean come on guys come on. 
We couldn't love you more. 

1516
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,200
We could not love you. 
More, we appreciate you guys 

1517
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,440
hanging in with us as we, as we,
as I go through life changes and

1518
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,440
we try to get back into a 
routine. 

1519
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:27,480
We are not giving up on the 
podcast, of course, too. 

1520
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:29,600
I'm not going to stress about it
like we're going to try to 

1521
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,160
we're. 
Going to do what we can. 

1522
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,880
We're going to do what we can 
and hopefully, you know, you 

1523
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,440
guys will stick around to see us
again. 

1524
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,280
That's right. 
We all go through, like I said, 

1525
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,520
there's always valleys in life, 
valleys in life. 

1526
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,680
And I've always, I've always 
thought of it this way. 

1527
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,240
And I know like a lot, you know,
I always tell people, don't 

1528
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,880
stifle my joy, don't stifle my 
joy. 

1529
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,080
And I don't want your joy to be 
stifled. 

1530
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,600
But in life, we always there's 
valleys in life. 

1531
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,920
And if we didn't go through 
valleys, then we wouldn't know 

1532
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,800
what happy was like. 
You know, if you didn't know 

1533
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,960
what sadness was like, you 
wouldn't know what happy was 

1534
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:04,400
like if you always felt happy. 
So, you know, it's a it's a life

1535
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,800
lesson that we learn. 
We grow from it. 

1536
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,920
You know, life doesn't always 
hand us what we think it's going

1537
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,520
to hand us. 
And we have these pictures of 

1538
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,360
our life. 
I have pictures. 

1539
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,880
Elisa does what you want, you 
know, and and it changes. 

1540
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,520
And we still, we, we persevere 
and we love you guys. 

1541
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,560
And if you're going through 
something, know that you're not 

1542
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,360
alone. 
It's a it's a human. 

1543
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,320
It's a human thing. 
And just tell people whenever 

1544
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,480
you're in a good mood and they 
ask something and you don't want

1545
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,400
to hear it, just look at them 
and do what I do. 

1546
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,960
Don't stifle my joy. 
Don't stifle my joy. 

1547
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,920
I'm Yeah. 
And stay in your lane. 

1548
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,480
We're not going to judge 
anybody, right? 

1549
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:42,800
We're not going to judge 
anybody. 

1550
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,160
We're not judging and we're not 
stifling joy. 

1551
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,600
We'll go check us out on 
Spotify. 

1552
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,160
Be sure to rate and follow and 
share with your friends if you 

1553
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:56,840
love us. 
Until then, y'all be safe and 

1554
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:57,920
watch for deer.