1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,680 Welcome to the Everyday PM Podcast podcast where we discuss 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,239 project management principles for your everyday life. 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,440 My name is Anne Campia. I'm a certified project manager. 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,400 I currently work as the vice president of project management 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,440 operations at Trusense Marketing. 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,840 Today we're talking about leaving the corporate world and 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,960 how that transition works when you leave the corporate world 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,880 and start your own business. And so for that reason, I have a 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,040 very special guest on the podcast today. 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Bruno, I'm so excited to welcome you to the podcast. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,280 I know that we've been coordinating this for quite some 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,120 time, so it's a sincere pleasure to have you as my very special 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,920 guest to talk about this very topic. 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,680 So Bruno, before we get started, why don't you take a brief 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,080 moment to introduce yourself to our audience? 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,440 Yes, sure. So Anne, thank you again for 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,680 having me. And you know Anne, I used to 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,840 introduce myself with, I solve problems and deliver results. 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,840 And this is something that I have always done during my 20 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,160 plus years incorporate and I'm doing it right now with my own 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,320 business. If we go a little deeper, I can 22 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,200 say I have been managing projects for over 20 years. 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,000 And specifically in the last eight years, I have designed, 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,320 built and LED project and portfolio management offices. 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,840 So those known as the PM OS now in in the meantime, in parallel, 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,520 I have been a mentor and a coach and I have worked with more than 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,000 100 people. So it's a big chunk of of myself 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,000 and in fact, I I think this interesting mix of delivery, 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,200 getting things done, building trusting teams and inspiring 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,040 individuals, it is my sweet spot. 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,520 So I think you're, you're maybe giving us a little bit of what 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,040 the the conversation is going to be about, which I'm very, very 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,840 excited to talk to you about making that transition from 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,800 corporate to your own business. But there's one thing you didn't 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,880 mention that I've been stocking your LinkedIn on. 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,720 There's one thing you didn't mention about yourself that I'm 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,080 very curious about. You play the guitar. 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,640 No, no, never. Never started, but but there is 39 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:24,720 something very close, something about music that that that that 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,080 I'm going to tell you about in a few minutes, I'm sure. 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,640 Yes. And one of the things I really 42 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,760 love about the way that you're you've made, you've made this 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,800 transition is you've made things accessible for people. 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,920 So I just wanted to highlight that in terms of the way that 45 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,840 you post your messaging on LinkedIn, the way that you 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,080 outreach to folks, the way that you mentor you make we get very 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,720 tangible, practical, right everyday life type situations 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,240 that you can help kind of connect the dots between project 49 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,520 management, mentorship, all the things that you talked about as 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,040 part of your professional journey. 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,040 So why don't we dive into, you know, your journey from 52 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,920 corporate world to entrepreneurship. 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,840 What motivated you to make this change? 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,920 And there is a, there is a lot, a lot about that. 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,920 I and definitely I need to take you back with me a little bit in 56 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:15,920 time. It's and, and, and now you will 57 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:19,760 hear the story about the music because more than 20 years ago, 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,440 I already had my own thing. And the, together with the, at 59 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,920 that time and my best friend, we had our, our thing, we were 60 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:34,480 organizing concerts and we did it for five to six years. 61 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,360 And we started with nothing except a brilliant idea. 62 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,000 And, and, and we, we grew a lot in, across multiple cities in 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Italy. And when we finished, we were 64 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,120 pretty known in, in Italy. So we finished for various 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,400 reasons and which, which I don't want to touch now because that 66 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,200 will be another podcast, I would say. 67 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,440 But but I can say that when we finished, I knew that one day I 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,960 was going to have my own thing again. 69 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,720 So Fast forward the roughly 20 years, I, I am incorporate, I 70 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,440 have a great role, I'm making good money. 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,200 But more and more and especially I would say in the last, in the 72 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,160 last two years, I could see a disconnection between what I was 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,920 actually doing, what I was, let's say allowed to do versus 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,960 what I actually wanted to do. And then and then last November, 75 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,000 there was the proverbial last drop. 76 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,280 I was speaking at the conference in Poland. 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,840 On the first day I had my, my speech, I delivered my, my talk. 78 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:41,760 On the second day, I facilitated the workshop. 79 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,240 It was a workshop on stakeholders engagement. 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,960 So at the end of the workshop, I was outside, you know, at the 81 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,800 coffee corner with the three project managers that that 82 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,440 attended my workshop and we were just chatting and, and talking 83 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,600 about the situation. So one of them at a certain 84 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,960 point, she told me, oh Bruno, your company is so lucky to have 85 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,200 you. You can inspire PMS, you can 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,480 guide them. You can have those talks and 87 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,280 workshops every week. So I started, I started laughing 88 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:17,120 and, and I spilled my coffee on the table and I told her, well, 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,240 they don't want me and, and not really me personally, but they 90 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,080 didn't want what I could offer. They, you know, they didn't want 91 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,880 to change the, to challenge the status quo. 92 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,120 They didn't want to do the effort that was needed to 93 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,280 actually improve. And that was for me the, the 94 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,840 moment it was when I said, OK, this is the type of impact that 95 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,680 I can have on the people. And they could see it not only 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 at that conference, but in every place, in every interaction that 97 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,600 I had. And I felt like I was somehow 98 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:56,760 not in a position to actually do it because of, of, of that role. 99 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,840 So this is when I said, OK, now it's time. 100 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,840 It's time for me to go out there and open my own thing and and 101 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,400 find a way to support organizations and individuals 102 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,280 that are actually looking to change and that they want to 103 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:12,040 improve. Wow. 104 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Wow. Well, how did that moment feel 105 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,560 for you when when it clicked that this was what you're meant 106 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,800 to do next? It, it was, it was a 107 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,640 realization. It was really like, like you 108 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,760 would imagine the famous, the, the famous last drop. 109 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,200 It was like, OK, I'm I'm done. Like I knew what was going on on 110 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,680 the other side and, and it was like this the technically, I 111 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,560 would say the realization took place a few hours later when I 112 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,840 was at the airport waiting for boarding for my flight back to 113 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,560 Berlin. And that was when I said, OK, 114 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:52,320 that's it. That's incredible. 115 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,160 Wow. And, and, and, you know, it was 116 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,040 something that, as I said, I wanted to do since quite a 117 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,080 while. And I knew that was, in my 118 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,160 particular situation, the right moment. 119 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,360 And if I would not have done it in that moment, So basically 120 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,680 right now, probably I would not have done it in future. 121 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,560 And I had the I was afraid that potentially was going to regret 122 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,800 it for the rest of my life. That's why I said, OK, it is the 123 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,400 time. Yeah. 124 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,120 Wow. That's such a big moment. 125 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,320 So we when we started engaging about what was happening in your 126 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,480 professional journey, this was a few months ago and I know that 127 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,760 you were just starting to get legs under this concept of 128 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,560 starting your own business, leaving the corporate world, 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,320 building, whatever it is now that your vision is today. 130 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,440 So tell me about the challenges, right, Opening a business in 131 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,280 general, just for anybody entrepreneur, you know, folks 132 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,200 that want to start a restaurant or something. 133 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 There's just a lot of things that go into it, not just 134 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,840 financial, but you know, time, the efforts, the thinking around 135 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,880 the vision, how it how you execute it. 136 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,080 It's just like it's own project. So let's talk about the 137 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,880 opportunities and challenges that have come up in starting 138 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,920 your own business. Yeah, For me the there were a 139 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,080 lot of challenges of course, as you, as you mentioned and as 140 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:19,000 everyone can imagine, I would say probably I would put them 141 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 into three areas. I would call them Freedom 142 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,040 administration and marketing and sales. 143 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,200 These for me were are still today the biggest, the biggest 144 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,159 challenges. I'll tell you something about 145 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,640 that. Freedom is the one I was not 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:40,360 expecting, but after actually having been for 20 years in 147 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,480 corporate incorporate in different companies, but always 148 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:49,200 incorporate, you suddenly find yourself in a position in which 149 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,680 you have the complete freedom about everything starting with 150 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,920 you know which IIT set up do I want to have which tool do I 151 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,520 want to use for these. I don't know for setting up a 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,760 video call or for tracking my activities, for doing my emails, 153 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,840 even these basic things, they, they like the risk is to spend 154 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,280 so much time into that stuff, which is not actually doing your 155 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,520 business. It is, you know, spending time 156 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,560 around it. And, and this is something that 157 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:28,400 again, it, it's what I was not expecting because I, I, I 158 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,680 simply, you know, I was used to, well, this is it, this is your, 159 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,280 your stuff. You have to follow the 160 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,600 processes. You know, corporate is giving 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,960 you guardrails every time and, and yeah, you don't have them, 162 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,400 so you have to give them to yourself. 163 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,400 The other one, administration. Administration is what everyone 164 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,520 can imagine. It's, you know, from and of 165 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,320 course it can be different between depending on the country 166 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,960 in which you are and where you are opening the company. 167 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,520 But of course you need to go through a process of changing 168 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,040 your status from employee to company owner. 169 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,520 And then you need to do all the stuff and preparing for the 170 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,480 accounting and the invoicing and setting up a bank account, like 171 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,160 it's a mix of things. You definitely need help with 172 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,040 that. So you need to have someone that 173 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,720 is supporting you with that. If you do it only on your own, 174 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,400 it's overwhelming. Absolutely. 175 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:21,520 And the last one, marketing and sales. 176 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,200 Marketing and sales is something that most of the people that are 177 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,080 incorporated they don't do because you have already your 178 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,880 unless you work in marketing or sales, you don't do it. 179 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,680 So if you are, let's say, a project manager of your leading 180 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:41,480 your APMO like I have been for the last 20 years, you, you have 181 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,280 your stakeholders, they are predefined. 182 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,040 They are giving you work. They like you don't like, you 183 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,120 don't need to go out there and, and look for it. 184 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,880 And, and this is going to be a big, a big shift, a big shift 185 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,240 for everyone. The fact that, well, you need to 186 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:01,000 be able to go out there, make yourself visible, be clear about 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,640 who you are and what you want. And then of course, you need to, 188 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,680 to, to drive, to drive also some, some sales, you need them. 189 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,760 And, and it is funny because when I was discussing with a, 190 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,720 with a couple of of friends which have been into this 191 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:21,840 journey years ago, they told me that actually this last bit of 192 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,040 marketing and sales, it is always constantly one of the 193 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,920 biggest, biggest challenges in, in business. 194 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,520 So it's not just at the beginning. 195 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,560 Yeah, yeah. You know, I always like to think 196 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,360 as a project manager and you have many, many years of 197 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,000 experience in, in the project management spaces. 198 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:45,560 We run our little businesses. You know, sometimes running a 199 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:49,160 portfolio, running a program is like running a small little 200 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,800 business within a corporate setting. 201 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,800 I'm curious about how much of I know that you said the some of 202 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,600 the struggles was around sales, marketing, like the areas that 203 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,320 we typically don't touch on a day-to-day basis and our roles 204 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,600 in PM. How did that come to fruition 205 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,880 for you in terms of did you find somebody who was experienced and 206 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,640 kind of they share their best practice with practices with you 207 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:18,200 For somebody who doesn't have a business administration type 208 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,560 background, how, how I know you talked about the challenges, but 209 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,200 how did you overcome them? You, you, you need to find what 210 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,480 I have done and I think it is the right, the right approach 211 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,680 for everyone in this situation. It is to find someone that can 212 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,520 help you with it. Again, that might be 213 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,000 overwhelming because if you go online and search for people 214 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,840 that can help you with that, you find everything and you'll find 215 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,480 so many out there telling you I'm the best with me. 216 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,840 I'm the one and that's the problem. 217 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,160 So it's about trying to understand more than what they 218 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,280 say, who they are and potentially what if that 219 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,160 resonates with you and then you definitely find someone that 220 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,040 that can help you with. You might have some contacts 221 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,240 that are particularly good at that. 222 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,800 And so of course, 1st I started with my internal network before 223 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,320 going out there. But it is, it is something that 224 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,480 I'm still it, it's still, I'm still working on it. 225 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,280 I'm still like, I don't, don't take it as OK, Bruno, figure it 226 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,480 out. Not really. 227 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,640 Yeah, it takes some time, yeah. I think even with all the 228 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,000 educational backing, I've heard folks that have started and are 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,480 successful in their businesses say the same thing. 230 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,280 So I wouldn't, I wouldn't put you behind the, the, the curve 231 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:39,120 there, Bruno, in terms of the business itself, I know that we 232 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,120 alluded to you left corporate, you transitioned, started this. 233 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,600 Let's talk about the business, the actual business, where it's 234 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,640 at today. What, what are the services you 235 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,360 offer? Let's let the audience know what 236 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,120 it is. Yeah. 237 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,280 So there is, there is, there is quite a while then. 238 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Well the company is is existing, it is registered and it is 239 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,480 active. Our website is not yet ready but 240 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,080 but we are getting there. So what do we do? 241 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,480 We essentially we provide the services to both organizations 242 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,560 and individuals and, and this is, these are different things, 243 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:18,360 but you see that you, you will see now that there is a lot of 244 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,520 connection about them. So to organisations we support 245 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,760 them definitely in improving their project delivery. 246 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,200 So most of the organisations are struggling with their projects. 247 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Either they are not happening or they there are, you know, 248 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,880 multiple reasons why they don't, they don't take place or they 249 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,320 are not successful, whatever definition of success they might 250 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,080 have. So definitely that's one of the 251 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,560 thing that that I do. And but I do more with 252 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,920 organizations because it's not just about, OK, your projects 253 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,920 are not working, I'm coming and and they tell you what to do or 254 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,920 I do it. Then for you, it is about 255 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,560 actually helping them shaping their teams, mostly the project 256 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,200 teams into a way that they will be successful. 257 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,280 So there is a lot of work into inspiring these teams, bringing 258 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,000 them, you know, starting helping them to start this journey off 259 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,720 getting to a point in which they are actually they start to trust 260 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,360 each other, work together. And this is something that I 261 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:26,120 have done so much over the past few years and, and I love it 262 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,560 because I, I know that that is the real reason why in the end, 263 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,320 a project or whatever the company wants to it is actually 264 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,920 going to be successful or not. So there is a lot to into the 265 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,600 company culture that's for organization. 266 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,080 And again, it's a lot now for individuals. 267 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,800 I have been doing coaching and mentoring, offering a coaching 268 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,160 and mentoring since many years and they definitely want to 269 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,120 continue. So I'm continuing with that. 270 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,040 It might be limited because of course a lot of the of of my 271 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,320 time now is going to be on other things, but they definitely keep 272 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,560 coaching and mentoring as as services that we offer to 273 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,840 individuals. And then here individuals are of 274 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,560 any type. Like definitely I have a big 275 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,040 chunk which are project managers that are either struggling with 276 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,080 their projects or in their career and they are looking for 277 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,600 the next steps. But I also support the 278 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,080 university students which are almost ready to go out of 279 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,400 university and they have no idea what is expecting them, and also 280 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,520 professionals that are potentially changing a career. 281 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,280 So I have a lot that are trying to enter in project management, 282 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,440 but not yet, not yet there. So transitioning from other 283 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,560 roles into project management. And in the end, of course, 284 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,320 you'll find me out there also speaking at conferences and 285 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,880 organizations that are calling me to either run workshops or to 286 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,120 give talks and inspire their teams. 287 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,200 And it is again, there is always a component of project 288 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,480 management into it. But it is not necessarily that 289 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,359 like the last workshop that I have that I have run for a for a 290 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,200 client. It was about really supporting 291 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,800 that teams roughly 60 people into to to kick start their 292 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,200 journey of learning and getting better, improving everyday to, 293 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:24,079 you know, to start this habit. It's not so much close to 294 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:27,040 project management as you can see, but it is very close to my 295 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,880 heart. It is actually one of the topics 296 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,640 that that I love that I love particularly. 297 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,440 So it was. It was a great workshop. 298 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,080 And that that's actually the topic that connected us on 299 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,800 LinkedIn is I believe you posted something around consider. 300 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,880 I'm sorry if I'm butchering it, but you, you made me think about 301 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,240 consider project management as something that you have to 302 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,360 practice everyday, you know, just like picking up an 303 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:56,320 instrument, just like playing a sport, something where every day 304 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,440 you can practice and get better and better. 305 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,040 And I think that was kind of holistically what you were 306 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,880 trying to say in your post. And that really was attractive 307 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,400 to me because in the way that you describe your business 308 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,600 model, it's beautiful. You know, something about 309 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,080 project management and our profession and the way that we 310 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,360 experience everything. And then we want to pay it 311 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,320 forward and help others understand how not just how to 312 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,760 break into the industry, but how to be successful, how to build 313 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,000 teams in your organization, all of that. 314 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,520 I'm very, very excited for this vision. 315 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,040 And it just all makes sense to me as you're describing it. 316 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,880 So Bruno, tell me about because your business encompasses all of 317 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,320 these different facets of services, have you thought about 318 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,400 how you yourself are going to play all that or wear all the 319 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,320 different hats, all the different roles that you're 320 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,720 going to have to play as part of running your own business? 321 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,840 Yeah, yes, that's, that's one of the challenges that I'm facing 322 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,120 right now because of course there is so much potentially 323 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:01,040 that you can do and the and the and it is about trying to stay 324 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,880 focused on what you want to achieve. 325 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,360 So I know who I am and I know what I want and especially I 326 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:11,520 know why I want to do it. Everything that is potentially 327 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,760 out there available, it needs to resonate with that. 328 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,480 And if I see that for whatever reason, it's not the right 329 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,000 thing, it might be get parked while I work on something else. 330 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,160 But then let me tell you in general, when you look at all 331 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,800 those things, they are all related. 332 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:38,040 And this is the, this is what actually makes, at least to me 333 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,600 from, from my insider point of view, I can see the connection 334 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,080 of all of that. It's all about like, if I have 335 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,240 to summarize it, I, I see it as, you know, the concept of doing 336 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,920 the right things and doing them right. 337 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,240 So it's always about the same. It could be for organization, 338 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,160 helping them, identifying what are the right things for them. 339 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Or it could be for individuals, where do you want to go? 340 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,360 And then identifying what are the actions that actually are 341 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:12,480 going to help you to potentially get there and then support them 342 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,800 on this journey. So this is what, what they see 343 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,480 and having that, it definitely helps me. 344 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,760 But of course. We all have limited amount of 345 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,880 time and, and at the moment I am, I am alone. 346 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,760 I don't want, I don't plan to be alone. 347 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,600 But at the beginning I I had to start on my own and and it's 348 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,280 important to stay focused and know what you want to achieve. 349 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Yeah, I can just imagine that there's so many ideas that 350 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,280 you've had kind of locked in your mind and now that you're in 351 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,920 this environment where you can just let it all out and look at 352 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,880 it. The, the the vision is there. 353 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,400 It's just keeping yourself grounded, focused. 354 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,920 I, I, I understand that that perspective. 355 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,280 So you know, works back. To the back to the point about 356 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,880 the freedom, you have, the freedom of potentially doing 357 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,680 everything, but that's not the point. 358 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,080 The point is, what is actually that is important for you? 359 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,400 Isn't that interesting? The one thing, the barrier that 360 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,520 typically, I don't know if you call it barrier because I'm 361 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,920 currently in the corporate world still, but the one challenge 362 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,280 that you sometimes have is those constraints that a corporate 363 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,480 setting will provide to you. But at the same time, it's also 364 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,320 an opportunity because it keeps you, like you said, focus kind 365 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,160 of very linear in some respect in terms of how you execute the 366 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,360 work. So it's really interesting kind 367 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,040 of what you sacrifice to start your own business and what you 368 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,280 transition from some of the things that were often 369 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,880 constraining you are now things that you're trying to look for 370 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,960 and build for yourself within your new business. 371 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,960 It almost sounds like you need to. 372 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,760 Build your own guardrails. Yes, yes. 373 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,560 Absolutely. So we're catching you at a very 374 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,360 interesting point in time because the original time that 375 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,920 we were supposed to have our conversation, you just started 376 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,320 thinking about it, right, putting together the plans and 377 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,160 everything where a few months from when we originally thought 378 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,120 we would be chatting. But you're still very much in 379 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,960 that infancy stage of building this business and putting your 380 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,440 vision out to the world. So looking ahead, what is your 381 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,640 future vision? You know what, what are your 382 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,720 goals for the business and what what does that look like in 383 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,560 2025? I. 384 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,000 I think 2025 is going to be, well, technically it's going to 385 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,360 be my first full year and it is going to be still. 386 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,000 I see it as as a transition, as a transition year. 387 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,280 But yet, as I briefly mentioned a moment ago, I don't want to be 388 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,640 alone. I know, I know right now I am 389 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,520 alone. But as soon as I I see that 390 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,360 there is the opportunity to grow. 391 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,040 I would love to have other people joining me on this 392 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,520 journey. I in the past as a head of PMO 393 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,400 in different companies, I have built a great teams. 394 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,600 One of them, I still call it my dream team. 395 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,240 It is, it is it is a piece of of one of my keynote as well that 396 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,600 beautiful story. And definitely I want to build 397 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,520 my dream team right now, but I need to be in a position for for 398 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,200 doing that right. So it, it take, it takes some 399 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:14,040 time, but clearly I, I see the organization growing in 400 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,920 different, in different, different areas. 401 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:22,680 There are different, different things that we, that I want to 402 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,800 do and that I know we will be good at. 403 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,400 So having different people working on these different 404 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,720 streams is, is what is what I have in mind. 405 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,880 Yeah. Absolutely can not do this 406 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,600 alone, but I think just from the get go, this is your vision and 407 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,840 it's very, very exciting to see it coming together. 408 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,280 So for future entrepreneurs and to wrap up our conversation, do 409 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,400 you have any other best practices, lessons learned, 410 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,480 advice that you would like to to give to folks who are looking to 411 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,120 leave the corporate setting and start their own venture? 412 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,840 Yes, yes, definitely what what what I would say is especially 413 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,400 if you are in in a situation like my one like you are 414 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,960 potentially incorporate and thinking about going into that 415 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,480 direction. I would say start with why, 416 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,440 which which we all know it like ask yourself why do you want to 417 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,040 do it? What is that you want to achieve 418 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,240 into into that and you need to be very clear about that. 419 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,240 It's just not just about yeah, OK, I, I I want to try it. 420 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:33,560 There must be something more identify then once you have I 421 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,200 understood what is why, why, what is that you want? 422 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,400 Why is the reason? Identify what are your 423 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,720 distinctive factors like what you would consider your added 424 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,400 value later on versus everyone else? 425 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,080 Why you and then of course, you can look at the what are the 426 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,720 possibilities out there? And, and, and that will help you 427 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,840 to potentially start the designing your idea and and 428 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,520 planning planning because everything takes longer than 429 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,960 expected. Yeah. 430 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 That's the reason why we are speaking in December and 431 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,280 everything takes longer than expected. 432 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,440 It's it, it. So ensure that you plan it 433 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,680 properly and and that you, and you know that you keep that in 434 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,400 mind. Also what is important is, and 435 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,680 that's very personal. It's different from person to 436 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,600 person, but you need to ensure that you have enough, let's say, 437 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,680 bandwidth for yourself to live well. 438 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,560 A way that I'd like to say it is both you and your business need 439 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,840 fuel. So I'm sure you have enough fuel 440 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,680 before you start your journey. That's my summary of a piece of 441 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,560 advice that I would give. It's beautiful, Bruno, I, I 442 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,960 appreciate you taking the time. I know it's like evening time 443 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,840 for you, I think where you're situated. 444 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,720 So I really appreciate you taking your evening to to chat 445 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,320 with us and catch us up essentially on where you're 446 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:05,320 where you were and where you're going and where you're going to 447 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,480 be in 2025. So if folks want to continue the 448 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,360 conversation and learn more about the business, where can 449 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:17,080 they find you online? Right now the best place to 450 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,320 start is my website, which is Bruno morgante.com and this is 451 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,560 where you can find how I can help you, the services that 452 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,120 Ioffer and also what others say about me. 453 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,440 So there are a lot of testimonials both from people 454 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:38,120 that had me at their conferences so they heard me speaking, or my 455 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,560 coaches and mentees and companies that that I have 456 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,680 supported. That's the best way to get in 457 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600 touch with me. Then of course, I am also on 458 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,120 LinkedIn, so you can reach out to me also there. 459 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,240 But at the moment I would say Bruno morganta.com is right 460 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,720 place. Wonderful. 461 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,600 I'll make sure all of the relevant links to be in touch 462 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,760 with you are posted alongside this video and audio versions of 463 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600 this episode. Bruno, thank you so much again 464 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,640 for taking your evening to chat with us about your journey. 465 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840 For folks that want to continue the conversation with me, you 466 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,240 can find me at the everydaypm.com as well as on 467 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,840 LinkedIn. I'll make sure those links are 468 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,080 available too. So that will do it for this 469 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,320 installment of the Everyday PM podcast. 470 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,120 Thank you everybody for joining us. 471 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,080 And until next time, take care. Bye bye.