Welcome to the everyday p.m. Podcast, the podcast, where we
discussed project management principles for your everyday
life. My name is Ann campea, and I'm a
certified project / program manager with over a decade of
experience working for healthcare.
Retail consumer goods and Tech Industries.
I'm so excited to welcome Christina.
Heath who is a strategic alignment coach.
For project professionals, who want to create a day-to-day that
flows and feels like their own, Christina.
I'm so excited to welcome you to the podcast.
And I also love that. We inadvertently are matching it
for those that are watching our video version of this.
But Christina, welcome to the everyday p.m.
Podcast. Please take a brief moment to
introduce yourself to the audience.
Thank you so much for having me and I really appreciate it.
Your intro was awesome. I think that's a pretty good
gist of it. I would just add that being a
strategic alignment. Coach is a role that I crafted
for myself. So if you want to get into that
during a conversation, that would be I think good for the
listeners to hear that, you can do things that you enjoy in
project management. And sometimes it just has to
take a little bit of creative work and getting to know
yourself. So that's what I did for myself.
And now every day, that's what I help other project managers do.
So, let's, let's actually start there, because what is a
strategic alignment coach before we get into your background?
How do you define that for our audience?
So good question, strategic alignment coach.
It is a term that I thought described what I do really?
Well. Full disclosure.
I made it up and that's because I created the role before I
created the title. We all know that titles can mean
different things. Depending on your industry or,
you know, your team and I didn't want to start with a title like
oh, well, this is kind of where I want to be known as I decided
to work backwards sort of and crafts the role, so My
definition of a strategic alignment coach.
In the context of project managers is helping project
managers align their goals with who they are and align who they
are with the work that they do every day and sort of tease that
I know tease out and parse out the stuff that doesn't doesn't
work. I don't like to say the stuff
that doesn't spark Joy because not everything is going to spark
Joy. I think the Marie kondo thing
works for like, Looks and clothing, you know, but not so
much. What we do every day, some of
those children people, but having makes making sure that
you have a really good solid through line going through what
you do every day, or every week, or every month, that really
feels like you. And the other things that, you
know, maybe you don't love or your neutral about seeing if you
can tolerate them seeing if you can learn from them or build off
of them, but the things that great against your soul, we push
those aside and we try and And craft something that really
aligns with what you want to be experiencing in your life.
My gosh Christina. I feel like I need one of you in
my life right now. This is incredible.
I was just having a conversation with a colleague about were in
this interesting time of our careers where we've done the
p.m. From a project program
standpoint. And we were both talking about
how interesting your mindset shifts to trying to find
purposeful work and valuable work and it.
It, it's your career pivots to looking for that rather than the
title or the next promotion or becoming CEO of a company and
you're just looking for that additional thing, that feels
more fulfilling than some of the work that you may have been
doing in the past. So I love that definition.
I think I'm convinced. I need you in my life.
But let's start with. How did you get there?
What is your professional background?
Did you start as a project? Chuck manager, did you fall into
it? So that is another great
question. I did not start my career.
As a project manager. I have my bachelors of Arts
degree in Mass Communications public relations.
And I studied, Spanish. I traveled a little bit to get
my Spanish down pet. I was not actually, I don't even
think because I graduated into the end of the recession.
So okay, okay, but at that time, you know, that's when Being told
hey, you're in journalism school, but there's probably not
give any going to be a newspapers in like ten years.
So good luck is very much like, take what you can get and I
don't know that. I don't know that business
process Improvement or project management as a discipline was
seen as being very accessible to people unless you were in
business school. That was your track at least for
those of us who were just out of high school.
Laurin or college age, you know, like 18, 22, 23, and so, my
first job out of college, I took everyone's advice because it was
dismal out there. And I took the first job that I
could get, but it was in marketing marketing
Communications at the University in a, in a joint venture set up.
So it was a partnership with a company business in the UK that
their goal was to help facilitate more International
students to be able to study and get a u.s.
And because it's very valuable, you go back to your country, you
enrich your country, with what you've learned and and it goes
from there. So, my job as marketing
Communications coordinator, was to help with Recruitment and I
liked it. I found that I was naturally
pulling a lot of project management processes in without
realizing it and I found myself while rubbing shoulders with the
business students and being really interested in what they
were doing. And you know, you study side by
side and And kind of taking what they were talking about,
applying it to my marketing and going from there.
So I spent a couple years doing that and then I moved over into
the digital marketing startup space and that was my first
official p.m. Role.
That was a lot of fun. And startup life is a lot of fun
things move so quickly though and that business shut its
doors. Yeah, and then from there, I
moved into. I did call center work for a bit
and that was that was We've so much fun.
It was really difficult. But I think I'm more thing
though, right? You're talking to people.
There you go. That's I think that's what I
really loved about. It was that live action sink or
swim? Not so much trial by fire, but
you don't have time to be behind a desk figuring out what the
best way is to phrase, something like that needed to happen way
before the the Q opened for calls to be received.
So I found myself being in these Calls I was taking calls in
English and in Spanish and watching myself fumble in real
life and taking notes. Like.
Okay. So this is what they said.
This is how I responded. It did not go over well in the
future. I spent way too long looking for
this asset this needs to be streamlined.
And so again, I found myself using that brain that p.m.
Brain before I even had the role really.
So then I moved into Managed Health Care.
I spent about six or seven years and Managed Health Care.
Yeah, I really liked it. And that was my first real
corporate job. And from there is when I moved
into my first official p.m. Role and within a couple of
years, I actually found myself functioning more as a program
manager because after a couple of years people on my team had
become, they've been promoted to be project managers and because
I helped handle the really I did handle the growth.
With piece of my department, my department was digital
Communications. And so anything that had to do
with new business, mergers and Acquisitions divestitures.
It came to me when it had to do with a member portal.
Like, Hey, we're going to 800,000 new members because of
the acquisition and it's January right now.
By August. We need all of them, be
integrated and have their own branded member portal.
No pressure. Yeah, sure.
You've got eight months will go live like goodbye.
Yeah, and so working with the state's working with CMS keeping
HIPAA in mind all of those dependencies.
I think that that really helped to grow me into a more strategic
project manager, whereas before I was thinking strategically,
but it wasn't as high pressure. It was like, oh I see that that
can kind of be helped. Let's just make that a little
bit better. Let's make that Easier for
everyone involved. And now I was in a more high
pressure situation where I'm on the digital Communications team
within the UPS Department. I'm active adjacent.
So I'm dealing with developers and having to learn, I mean air
quotes learn but become aware of and have a baseline
understanding of their language. It was a really cool role.
And from there. I moved into doing social
determinants of Health work. And so, using my project
management skills to be a T, check initiatives p.m.
And do things such as helping to create pilot programs that would
get Medicaid members better access and quicker access to
employment Assistance programs. So, you can can say, hey, we've
opened up this new facility in this area.
It's going to help you guys out. Congrats.
Good luck. Goodbye.
But if you're not looking at the walkability score of that
location and you're telling people all the way up in
Appalachia that now they've got access to this.
G, they can't get there. Do they have a car seat for
their child? Is someone able to watch their
child while they have an interview?
So I was able to dive in and use my skills to think of all those
things and build really cool programs for people.
It's amazing. I'm yeah and we went through a
couple of, we went through one really big merger when my
company was acquired by a bigger company in the same space when I
was on the other side of it and that was tough.
That was, yeah. Yeah.
Spent about a year in that new organization.
Really similar work, social determinants of Health work and
Community centered work and then I was laid off.
So about a year ago. I was laid off.
So during the pandemic. My kindergartner was home with
me and I was really difficult, my direct manager, my director.
I don't know that they knew the news came from a few layers up
for me and an HR coordinator both people that I never
actually worked with. That was really hard and yeah,
understanding that. Okay, Christina, you've done
everything, right? You were, Scrappy, you've done
your best. You made it through that
recession, period, and the resume looks good, like on
paper. Everything is good and it still
didn't turn out the way that you wanted it to the way that we're
kind of taught through, you know, the meritocracy that your
productivity is kind of what makes you Human valuable, right?
Watching that kind of crumble down.
I was like, okay, I was able to reflect on my career.
Absolutely, and I realized that a lot of the other people, my
peers, whether they were PMS or business folks.
Our marketing folks are just p.m.
Minded people because you can have a p.m.
Mine did not have the title Idols in the beginning and I
realized that so many of us, Had that sort of existential
struggle. There were many people who some
people look like me. Some people didn't, but I
noticed there were a lot of women or people who identified
as female people of color, or people who are a part of the
global majority, who didn't feel comfortable, telling their
co-workers, that they had children.
Hmm. Keep pictures of their children
on their desks didn't want to talk to people about their
interest, you know, the kind of employed the hole.
Make moves quietly thing. Yeah, and that's good for
preservation, but it didn't have that person element in it, that
human element. And so I decided to create a
role for myself. I decided not to step back into
the corporate space the W2 space.
And I decided to create a rule for myself, where I can help
guide people who might still be in that W2 space which is
totally fine. I did it for years, it got
money. Make that coin, build that
career, but I wanted to create a world for myself, where I can
be, what I wish I had five years ago, ten years ago, a sounding
board, a place to spill your thoughts and see what comes back
up on the surface that we like learn about yourself and who you
are at your core. Not so much what we're kind of
told, you know, like the listeners can't see.
I'm like pretending to straighten my tie, not so much.
What we're being told that we should present as or what should
be our interests. And you know, your core values
might be My core values, a few of them are belonging and
Serendipity, you. And I talked about it before we
started recording like timing, and we're just firm Believers
in. What was the word that you used?
I used fate. But yes, I do.
But really believe that things happen for a reason and they
happen in that in that order or in that way or in that manner,
right? So yes, I'm there with you.
I agree. Yes, and so having that.
That be one of my core values. I don't believe that's something
that I would have been able to identify in myself because I
didn't have the time. I didn't have the space to
breathe and, you know, I think I grew up or really in my career
as an adult grew up in my career thinking that my core values
were like tenacity grit and you know, and that's just those are
fine, but that's not the way for ya.
So I like helping project managers figure that out start
with you. That's the building blocks that
we work off of. Want to create a career that you
really love and even if that's within the role that you have,
you're going to keep that role. Let's mold into something that
you can totally shine in. Gosh.
I love this journey. I mean, it's just I don't, where
do I start, Christina? You have such a eclectic but yet
purposeful and a progressive background.
In terms of how you got to where you are today, which is truly
inspiring. And then you have to go through
something very tragic and I think a lot of folks are Are in
agreement is tragic. But also they would also
probably relate because it happened to many people because
of the pandemic in terms of having a reset and figure out
and an unexpected stops, right? And having to figure out what,
what am I doing here or am? I doing something that it has
meaning to myself? And I love this idea of we were
always taught this. There's this very uniform
professional way that you go about your career.
And I don't know if that's generational or if it's cultural
or whatever is driving that, but when you talk about the words,
be gritty be Scrappy get to where you need to be.
Does that necessarily mean that that's how you are as a person
and you're actually making me do it introspective on myself right
now is you're speaking about what?
How does that align? And sometimes and often times?
I will say even to myself that I need to figure that out because
even just being on this Zoom. Um, call oftentimes, you'll have
people who have backgrounds blurred or they're trying to
hide an aspect of themselves that they don't necessarily want
to show in the corporate setting.
And I think that's just a very quick example of what you're
talking about when you're talking about understand who you
are and kind of what your reflection is to other people.
And I love this scene. I'm just rambling about it
because I loved hearing that entire story of how you got to
where you are today. And then now you find
yourselves, your find yourself in your own.
S, which is incredible. And you have such a great
meaning and background behind. Why you started mango flow
Consulting, but I actually wanted to start when we get into
your actual business, how you got to the name?
Because I also really love the name.
Can you talk a little bit about that you?
Yes, so mango full Consulting in summary.
It came out because I wanted to not overthink things so much.
So I'll give you a little bit of the give you the background.
Round of how I came to it, but I want us to remember that.
I really tried not to put too much, thought into it.
And coming up with my business name was really the beginning of
me starting to go with my gut and what felt good to me.
And I know in business, you need to make sure that people know
what you're talking about. Like, you know, you're not, if
you're a baker, you can't call yourself like Lego Lord.
You know, what, Lego Lord, which is also Really cool, but yeah,
it doesn't make sense. They don't mango full
Consulting. So my mother is Jamaican and my
father was American. He's black and I spent a lot of
my time in Jamaica as a child. And I went there every year and
I haven't been, I mean must be 10 years now, but I mean I had
an accent until I was you know, kindergarten first grade, when I
realized that people made Fun of me.
And as you do, you just let that go.
You work really hard. I remember practicing in the
mirror, to get rid of my accent, are still some things that I
just couldn't shake. And I like that about me.
Now, some words and mannerisms that are still very Jamaican and
I hang onto them because I love them.
Yeah. Absolutely.
One memory that I really have that, I also love to hang onto
for dear life is being at my grandma's house at the foot of
the hill in Jamaica. And she had a Don't wall, you
could sit on the stone wall. My Grandma had sugar cane mango
trees, almond trees, lime. It was amazing.
Papaya of a cup of pineapple Apostle.
Paul poetry. And I remember my uncle getting
a mango down from the tree for all of us kids.
I was, I was about to say there were thousands of those kids.
That's, that's hyperbolic. There were probably like 12 of
us though. Just running around their head.
Crazy hair. Super tan.
Very nice. And I got my mango and I found
myself just an area on the wall, and I'm the oldest of four kids,
and we're all about a year and a half or two years apart.
So I didn't feel like I had a lot of time to myself finding
this area on that stone wall biting into that most orange
part of the mango and it kind of dripping down my hand.
And I just looked up and, you know, I guess going back to
Serendipity, but we're talking about fate and I just died.
Sort of opened up like it was cloudy, but In the Islands Daily
and so I saw that sun come through and I think I was about
nine and that's just feeling for me.
I don't really have the words to describe, but just feeling like
I was in my place that was where I was meant to be.
And so I have such an affinity for mangoes and on the other
side of it. I want to evoke and project
managers that it doesn't have to be.
So I don't want to say splintered splinted.
I guess it doesn't have to be so structured all the time, your
project, your project work like the stuff you do at work.
That's a project. That's fine.
But you as a person you're not a project and so giving yourself
that Grace and keeping an eye and an ear and a keeping a hard
out for that flow feeling when you're in it.
You'll know. And the more that you clock that
for yourself and feel like, oh, this feels great.
I'm in my space. That tells your brain that
that's a good thing and every time you encounter it, you'll
identify it more and more and that becomes your Norm.
So that's my long way of saying that's how I came into mango
flow and then Consulting because I wanted to leave myself open
for whatever the business might end up.
Being. I created a job for myself as a
project management coach, and I also do a little bit of project
management consulting a very little bit and it just wanted to
leave myself. If open to whatever that might
develop into in the future, it's so it's so open, you know, and I
love hearing that story and there's and I don't know if this
is intentional or not, but even just in knowing that the title
of your business and not having met you or known that story
about you being a child, I would read it and think, okay.
There's person's going to help me get my mindset, right?
There's there's a level of mindfulness in it.
There's a level of just kind of balance in the title and I
again, I don't know if If this is intentional, we had to talked
about this before we started recording.
So this is just things that resonate in just the name of
your Consulting business. And I think it's such a
wonderful message. I've only ever met one other
person who has really dug into mindfulness and it's connection
to project management and I think it's so important.
As you talk about. You don't have to be a project
manager 24/7. It's so hard to disconnect from
that side of your brain. It really is.
And I And again, that mantra for your business is it just makes
sense? It makes sense from a, from
where we're at today and people really trying to promote having
your work-life balance and being mindful of your own self versus
your work self. And Christine.
I just love that the the journey that you made and how you've
kind of created the foundation for this.
And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about it
without giving specifics on on specific people, but are there,
you know, clients stories that you wanted to?
Or some Journeys that might be inspiring to our audience.
Hmm. I don't like this spot here or
maybe even your own because it does sound like you've done in
your own life before. Now.
That's actually a good segue that I think that will help me
out. Thank you for that little extra
tippet. Yeah course creating the program
that I created as a p.m. Coach, a strategic alignment
coach. I wanted to make sure that I was
offering a product a service to people that I knew actually
worked and I know that sounds very basic.
It sounds like business 101 but I do it then have some
businesses. I'm like today.
Even chat test that what the idea.
Okay, so, but yeah, please go on.
I just know. I wanted to, I love what you
said. I'll back up a little bit.
I love what you said about business name, mango full
Consulting, because while it wasn't intentional, I didn't sit
down and say I want people to feel the specific word.
I think the fact that I had built it with those things in
mind for myself. Maybe that's what Oops, it sort
of radiate that feeling for others too.
So that makes me feel really great.
So thank you for sharing that. For me.
I have a program right now called the 90-day p.m.
Level up program and it is a beefed-up version of what I did
for myself to get myself to this point the key difference.
And is that it took me several years?
Oh, well, you know, you know it's so I just, you know in that
time where I was looking back and Really feeling a lot of
introspection, as you said retrospection, right?
We talked about post-mortems and I did a couple of those just on
my life. I did after my layoff.
And I looked at the key pivotal parts of my life, that got me to
where I am right now, which is like liking where I am in my
skin and enjoying my career and enjoying the fact that I know I
can adjust it when I need, right?
Like a nothing's really permanent permanent.
And so I just took all that the key parts and I put it into 90
days because we are project managers and we love thinking in
quarters. Yeah, you've got to have that
type of time. Gotta Have It gotta have it.
So sometimes I'll talk to folks and I'll be, you know, it'll be
it's cute q1 right now, right? And I'll be like, Yeah, by end
of Q2 will have the squared away and that just feels so good to
say and know that it's true. So I'll say that for myself.
I worked with another. The professional to help me
figure out my core values. I knew that I wanted to do that,
but it's so helpful to have another person connecting with
you directly and hearing what you have to say, and sometimes
turning it around for you little bit.
Like is this what you mean? And then helping you transmute
that if it needs to be adjusted. So it just feels more you.
So I worked with another project professional when I wanted to do
that. I kind of needed a spotter,
right? Like you're at the gym and
you're like, no it doesn't feel right.
And they just tell you how your elbow needs, just move a couple
degrees then it was something better.
So I did that that really helped and that helped me create a
North star for any role that I'm approached with or any role that
I look at. Because a lot of us as PMs and
as women people who identify as women and honestly, as people of
color, we see something and we're like, I can do that.
Yeah, I can do it. Like, I got 20 minutes, but I
can do it. Yeah, it's fine.
I can fit it. And we sometimes are not used to
saying I can do it. But do I want to do it?
Hmm I can do it, but will it be worth the discomfort?
And sometimes it is a lot of times it's not and I really
worked on honing my intuition where that's concerned and
bucking up any opportunity that I'm presented with or anything.
I see that kind of looks shiny. And new against those core
values that identified for myself and then being able to
see in a clear light. Oh, okay.
Know that? Yeah, that's not for me and then
I can work on how to properly say no and move on from there.
So that's a lot of what the program is that I offer for PMS
and working a lot on goals. It takes a few weeks.
Sometimes you work on deconditioning yourself.
I know that you had a couple. Asan, recently talking about the
PMP versus lean Six Sigma. Such a cool conversation and I
have a lot of. Yeah, I have a lot of project
managers come to me. First question.
Not the gate. Should I get the PMP?
And it's frustrating because I'm like, you do not need the PMP to
be a successful project manager and also you should totally get
it. And people were like, what?
Yeah. Yes, exactly.
I know exactly that statement. Yes, go on.
So, but that's, that's the way that I view it is, as long as
you understand underneath why you're doing what you're doing?
Do it boo. That's cool.
But if you're out here doing things because you've been told
that you need them. You've been told that your
resume is trash until you get it or you feel like you might be
trash until you do this thing. That's where I want us to pause
and turn it around a little bit and look at where that might be
coming from and go from there. And kind of Sulphur that so
that's by story sort of in a really General way.
One client that I've had was not feeling great about her ability
or desire to lead. Mmm.
And yeah, it's very rare syndrome.
All of that is that's there. Yes, and if you know, you said
it a few minutes ago and where you get to the point where
you've kind of done the stuff you've tried the stuff and
you're like I kind of want more meeting.
I won't work. Purpose and I have folks
sometimes come to me and say, hey, I really want some
coaching. I really want some career help.
I really want some p.m. Help yada yada, and I'll ask
them, how much project-based experience they have, or where
they are in their career and mid-career looks and sounds a
lot different than beginning of career plentiful people like,
right? Come back, when you start
feeling a little angsty, like back when you're frustrated come
back when you feel a little birds out for real because that
once you've gone through site of through a few Cycles, All's
yeah, Project Life. Then you're like, okay, come on.
I don't know what I want. But I know it's got to be a
change from this and like nice work done.
So talking to this individual was such an eye-opener for me
because it showed what I felt and what I've seen in other
project professionals. But talking through day to day
and seeing someone who's so accomplished, still feel like
they aren't A good leader and driving that point home of like
by virtue of being a p.m., You're a leader.
You're a people leader. And I think we've been taught to
think that we aren't. Some of us have been taught to
think that our job. I've been told once my job is to
take meeting notes and set up meetings and I believed it like
three weeks. Unfortunately.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like how that feels on me. Some I get off and getting to
the point where we're understanding project management
really is leadership and service and not doing too much service
where you're like, underfoot and not doing too much leadership or
you're just like up in the sky, but that where the two intersect
and where they connect. And so being able to see this
person's transformation from being really accomplished in
really good at what they do but feeling like, oh, that's not for
me and like Like, you know, side note.
That was me too. I was like team, individual
contributor all day. Like I will never leave.
People don't known. Bring me that watching this
person. Go into saying, I am a leader
and this is my leadership style. And this is what I prefer and I
love this and if this comes to my desk, I will delegate it in.
Here's how and PS I'm signing up for a leadership program and to
me that was amazing to see because Very easy to get our
minds into that rut of. Well, this is just what I'm
doing. This is this is what I'm good at
and secretly. I want to explore this, right,
but I'm not good at it. And so we're just going to
pretend, it's not for me, right? So to watch someone explore
that. And have themselves reflected
back at them. See what they really got.
Going can take it and run with it.
That's one of my favorite experiences so far.
Yeah, and and in 90 days, some people say that's such a short
or long time. I don't know.
For me. It's mostly such a short, such a
short period of time to get from A to Z, or what you just
described, right? But, like kind of the form,
formulating your purpose and kind of your yourself and
understanding it. Then getting to that point where
you're actually just like a project executing it in your
everyday life. That's that's incredible.
And that's such an accelerated, accelerated timeframe.
I think to get to that Moment of clarity and you said yourself,
you had to go through it for many many years before you
figured out kind of that flow and Ebbs and flows of what how
to get to, to that point as well.
And I would imagine even after the 90 days, Christina that the
things that you help your clients reflect on and, and
start to internalize it comes up whether it's project management
related or not. So then it just becomes this
thing that expands into your life and it sounds like such a
beautiful Journey that people can make with you in your
program. So I personally will probably
talk to you outside of this podcast on how to level up
myself, but I think the audience as well, if you're interested in
working with Christina, please do reach out to her.
This sounds like such a great program in so timely for what's
happening right now in our environment.
To send that are social in that it like sociology of everything
that's happening right now. So if you're in that part of
your life as well, definitely, I think this would be really,
really helpful for our audiences and also Christina.
I promised you, I would get you out at a certain time and we're
just about there. But this has been a wonderful
conversation. I have to cut myself off because
I will just keep going and asking you questions because I'm
so invested in and interested in what you've Had to share with
our audience. So, thank you for being willing
to come on, to the podcast for sharing your journey, and your
experiences. And I'm just wishing you the
best of luck in your business because I believe it, I support,
I'm a supporter now. You've got me.
So everyone else, if you're interested as well.
Please do reach out to her, but that will do it for Christina.
And I and this episode of the everyday p.m.
Podcast. Christina, if folks do want to
reach out to you, whether it's about your program or just about
your professional Journey, or they just love your purse.
Malady, where can they find you online?
Well, so my website is www.miamikettlebell.com, low
consulting.com, and you can also find me on LinkedIn.
I'm pretty active on there. I believe that's how and I met
and I'm Christina Heath and you'll probably see p and p.
And then a little mango Emoji because that's just how I roll.
And I would love to hear from you.
Whatever. The reason I look forward to it.
Wonderful. And I'd like I I said you'll be
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