1 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:12,900 Welcome to the everyday p.m. Podcast, the podcast, where we 2 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:15,700 discussed project management principles for your everyday 3 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:17,900 life. My name is Ann campea, and I'm a 4 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:20,800 certified project / program manager with over a decade of 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,400 experience working for healthcare. 6 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,400 Retail consumer goods and Tech Industries. 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,300 I'm so excited to welcome Christina. 8 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:29,800 Heath who is a strategic alignment coach. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,600 For project professionals, who want to create a day-to-day that 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,900 flows and feels like their own, Christina. 11 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:37,900 I'm so excited to welcome you to the podcast. 12 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:41,100 And I also love that. We inadvertently are matching it 13 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,700 for those that are watching our video version of this. 14 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:45,500 But Christina, welcome to the everyday p.m. 15 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:47,300 Podcast. Please take a brief moment to 16 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:49,200 introduce yourself to the audience. 17 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:52,400 Thank you so much for having me and I really appreciate it. 18 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:55,800 Your intro was awesome. I think that's a pretty good 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,100 gist of it. I would just add that being a 20 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:02,100 strategic alignment. Coach is a role that I crafted 21 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:04,900 for myself. So if you want to get into that 22 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:07,000 during a conversation, that would be I think good for the 23 00:01:07,008 --> 00:01:10,700 listeners to hear that, you can do things that you enjoy in 24 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:12,600 project management. And sometimes it just has to 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,500 take a little bit of creative work and getting to know 26 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:17,700 yourself. So that's what I did for myself. 27 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:20,600 And now every day, that's what I help other project managers do. 28 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:24,900 So, let's, let's actually start there, because what is a 29 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:27,900 strategic alignment coach before we get into your background? 30 00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:29,800 How do you define that for our audience? 31 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:32,900 So good question, strategic alignment coach. 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,900 It is a term that I thought described what I do really? 33 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:39,000 Well. Full disclosure. 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,500 I made it up and that's because I created the role before I 35 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:46,000 created the title. We all know that titles can mean 36 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:48,100 different things. Depending on your industry or, 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,700 you know, your team and I didn't want to start with a title like 38 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:55,900 oh, well, this is kind of where I want to be known as I decided 39 00:01:55,900 --> 00:02:00,400 to work backwards sort of and crafts the role, so My 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,600 definition of a strategic alignment coach. 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,200 In the context of project managers is helping project 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:12,600 managers align their goals with who they are and align who they 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,300 are with the work that they do every day and sort of tease that 44 00:02:16,300 --> 00:02:21,500 I know tease out and parse out the stuff that doesn't doesn't 45 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:23,100 work. I don't like to say the stuff 46 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:26,000 that doesn't spark Joy because not everything is going to spark 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,500 Joy. I think the Marie kondo thing 48 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:32,000 works for like, Looks and clothing, you know, but not so 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400 much. What we do every day, some of 50 00:02:33,408 --> 00:02:37,100 those children people, but having makes making sure that 51 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:41,400 you have a really good solid through line going through what 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,700 you do every day, or every week, or every month, that really 53 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:47,600 feels like you. And the other things that, you 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,200 know, maybe you don't love or your neutral about seeing if you 55 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,100 can tolerate them seeing if you can learn from them or build off 56 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:58,600 of them, but the things that great against your soul, we push 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,300 those aside and we try and And craft something that really 58 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:03,800 aligns with what you want to be experiencing in your life. 59 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,000 My gosh Christina. I feel like I need one of you in 60 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 my life right now. This is incredible. 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,200 I was just having a conversation with a colleague about were in 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,700 this interesting time of our careers where we've done the 63 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:19,900 p.m. From a project program 64 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:23,200 standpoint. And we were both talking about 65 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,200 how interesting your mindset shifts to trying to find 66 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,800 purposeful work and valuable work and it. 67 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,400 It, it's your career pivots to looking for that rather than the 68 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,800 title or the next promotion or becoming CEO of a company and 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,500 you're just looking for that additional thing, that feels 70 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:48,900 more fulfilling than some of the work that you may have been 71 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:52,200 doing in the past. So I love that definition. 72 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,500 I think I'm convinced. I need you in my life. 73 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:57,300 But let's start with. How did you get there? 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,900 What is your professional background? 75 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:01,300 Did you start as a project? Chuck manager, did you fall into 76 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:03,600 it? So that is another great 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,600 question. I did not start my career. 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,900 As a project manager. I have my bachelors of Arts 79 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:14,400 degree in Mass Communications public relations. 80 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,399 And I studied, Spanish. I traveled a little bit to get 81 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:23,200 my Spanish down pet. I was not actually, I don't even 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,000 think because I graduated into the end of the recession. 83 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:31,100 So okay, okay, but at that time, you know, that's when Being told 84 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:33,800 hey, you're in journalism school, but there's probably not 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,700 give any going to be a newspapers in like ten years. 86 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:41,900 So good luck is very much like, take what you can get and I 87 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:45,200 don't know that. I don't know that business 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,100 process Improvement or project management as a discipline was 89 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,700 seen as being very accessible to people unless you were in 90 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,000 business school. That was your track at least for 91 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,800 those of us who were just out of high school. 92 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:05,500 Laurin or college age, you know, like 18, 22, 23, and so, my 93 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:08,700 first job out of college, I took everyone's advice because it was 94 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:11,100 dismal out there. And I took the first job that I 95 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,700 could get, but it was in marketing marketing 96 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:19,300 Communications at the University in a, in a joint venture set up. 97 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:23,100 So it was a partnership with a company business in the UK that 98 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:27,200 their goal was to help facilitate more International 99 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,800 students to be able to study and get a u.s. 100 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,300 And because it's very valuable, you go back to your country, you 101 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:35,400 enrich your country, with what you've learned and and it goes 102 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,000 from there. So, my job as marketing 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Communications coordinator, was to help with Recruitment and I 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 liked it. I found that I was naturally 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,200 pulling a lot of project management processes in without 106 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,100 realizing it and I found myself while rubbing shoulders with the 107 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:56,200 business students and being really interested in what they 108 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,100 were doing. And you know, you study side by 109 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:02,500 side and And kind of taking what they were talking about, 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,000 applying it to my marketing and going from there. 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,400 So I spent a couple years doing that and then I moved over into 112 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,000 the digital marketing startup space and that was my first 113 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,300 official p.m. Role. 114 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:17,600 That was a lot of fun. And startup life is a lot of fun 115 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:21,100 things move so quickly though and that business shut its 116 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,000 doors. Yeah, and then from there, I 117 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,000 moved into. I did call center work for a bit 118 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,800 and that was that was We've so much fun. 119 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,900 It was really difficult. But I think I'm more thing 120 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:35,600 though, right? You're talking to people. 121 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:38,500 There you go. That's I think that's what I 122 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:42,200 really loved about. It was that live action sink or 123 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,100 swim? Not so much trial by fire, but 124 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,900 you don't have time to be behind a desk figuring out what the 125 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:52,800 best way is to phrase, something like that needed to happen way 126 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,600 before the the Q opened for calls to be received. 127 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:00,800 So I found myself being in these Calls I was taking calls in 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,700 English and in Spanish and watching myself fumble in real 129 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:07,200 life and taking notes. Like. 130 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,900 Okay. So this is what they said. 131 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:12,800 This is how I responded. It did not go over well in the 132 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,800 future. I spent way too long looking for 133 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,300 this asset this needs to be streamlined. 134 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:21,200 And so again, I found myself using that brain that p.m. 135 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Brain before I even had the role really. 136 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:29,500 So then I moved into Managed Health Care. 137 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,100 I spent about six or seven years and Managed Health Care. 138 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:35,300 Yeah, I really liked it. And that was my first real 139 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:39,800 corporate job. And from there is when I moved 140 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,800 into my first official p.m. Role and within a couple of 141 00:07:43,808 --> 00:07:46,600 years, I actually found myself functioning more as a program 142 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,200 manager because after a couple of years people on my team had 143 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,900 become, they've been promoted to be project managers and because 144 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:59,700 I helped handle the really I did handle the growth. 145 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,200 With piece of my department, my department was digital 146 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,800 Communications. And so anything that had to do 147 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,500 with new business, mergers and Acquisitions divestitures. 148 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,600 It came to me when it had to do with a member portal. 149 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,200 Like, Hey, we're going to 800,000 new members because of 150 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,600 the acquisition and it's January right now. 151 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,200 By August. We need all of them, be 152 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,600 integrated and have their own branded member portal. 153 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:30,900 No pressure. Yeah, sure. 154 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,299 You've got eight months will go live like goodbye. 155 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:40,000 Yeah, and so working with the state's working with CMS keeping 156 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,799 HIPAA in mind all of those dependencies. 157 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:48,100 I think that that really helped to grow me into a more strategic 158 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:52,100 project manager, whereas before I was thinking strategically, 159 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:56,300 but it wasn't as high pressure. It was like, oh I see that that 160 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,100 can kind of be helped. Let's just make that a little 161 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:00,200 bit better. Let's make that Easier for 162 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,300 everyone involved. And now I was in a more high 163 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:05,300 pressure situation where I'm on the digital Communications team 164 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,700 within the UPS Department. I'm active adjacent. 165 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:12,700 So I'm dealing with developers and having to learn, I mean air 166 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:17,800 quotes learn but become aware of and have a baseline 167 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,100 understanding of their language. It was a really cool role. 168 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:25,700 And from there. I moved into doing social 169 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:28,600 determinants of Health work. And so, using my project 170 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,600 management skills to be a T, check initiatives p.m. 171 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:36,700 And do things such as helping to create pilot programs that would 172 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:40,900 get Medicaid members better access and quicker access to 173 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,200 employment Assistance programs. So, you can can say, hey, we've 174 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,700 opened up this new facility in this area. 175 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,500 It's going to help you guys out. Congrats. 176 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:50,800 Good luck. Goodbye. 177 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,300 But if you're not looking at the walkability score of that 178 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:57,100 location and you're telling people all the way up in 179 00:09:57,108 --> 00:09:59,500 Appalachia that now they've got access to this. 180 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,100 G, they can't get there. Do they have a car seat for 181 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:05,500 their child? Is someone able to watch their 182 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:06,700 child while they have an interview? 183 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:10,400 So I was able to dive in and use my skills to think of all those 184 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,800 things and build really cool programs for people. 185 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:15,600 It's amazing. I'm yeah and we went through a 186 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,700 couple of, we went through one really big merger when my 187 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:22,500 company was acquired by a bigger company in the same space when I 188 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:25,500 was on the other side of it and that was tough. 189 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:27,100 That was, yeah. Yeah. 190 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,700 Spent about a year in that new organization. 191 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,900 Really similar work, social determinants of Health work and 192 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:36,400 Community centered work and then I was laid off. 193 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:40,400 So about a year ago. I was laid off. 194 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,000 So during the pandemic. My kindergartner was home with 195 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,900 me and I was really difficult, my direct manager, my director. 196 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:53,300 I don't know that they knew the news came from a few layers up 197 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:56,800 for me and an HR coordinator both people that I never 198 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,900 actually worked with. That was really hard and yeah, 199 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:06,400 understanding that. Okay, Christina, you've done 200 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,700 everything, right? You were, Scrappy, you've done 201 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:11,900 your best. You made it through that 202 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:14,900 recession, period, and the resume looks good, like on 203 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:17,900 paper. Everything is good and it still 204 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:21,000 didn't turn out the way that you wanted it to the way that we're 205 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,500 kind of taught through, you know, the meritocracy that your 206 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:33,000 productivity is kind of what makes you Human valuable, right? 207 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,100 Watching that kind of crumble down. 208 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:40,000 I was like, okay, I was able to reflect on my career. 209 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,000 Absolutely, and I realized that a lot of the other people, my 210 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,700 peers, whether they were PMS or business folks. 211 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:49,400 Our marketing folks are just p.m. 212 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,300 Minded people because you can have a p.m. 213 00:11:51,300 --> 00:11:55,200 Mine did not have the title Idols in the beginning and I 214 00:11:55,208 --> 00:12:01,100 realized that so many of us, Had that sort of existential 215 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,700 struggle. There were many people who some 216 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,900 people look like me. Some people didn't, but I 217 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,100 noticed there were a lot of women or people who identified 218 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:15,000 as female people of color, or people who are a part of the 219 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,300 global majority, who didn't feel comfortable, telling their 220 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:19,700 co-workers, that they had children. 221 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Hmm. Keep pictures of their children 222 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,100 on their desks didn't want to talk to people about their 223 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,800 interest, you know, the kind of employed the hole. 224 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:33,200 Make moves quietly thing. Yeah, and that's good for 225 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,400 preservation, but it didn't have that person element in it, that 226 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,500 human element. And so I decided to create a 227 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:44,300 role for myself. I decided not to step back into 228 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,000 the corporate space the W2 space. 229 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,600 And I decided to create a rule for myself, where I can help 230 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,100 guide people who might still be in that W2 space which is 231 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:57,300 totally fine. I did it for years, it got 232 00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:59,500 money. Make that coin, build that 233 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:02,400 career, but I wanted to create a world for myself, where I can 234 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,600 be, what I wish I had five years ago, ten years ago, a sounding 235 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,200 board, a place to spill your thoughts and see what comes back 236 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,500 up on the surface that we like learn about yourself and who you 237 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:16,800 are at your core. Not so much what we're kind of 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,900 told, you know, like the listeners can't see. 239 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:21,200 I'm like pretending to straighten my tie, not so much. 240 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,700 What we're being told that we should present as or what should 241 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:27,200 be our interests. And you know, your core values 242 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,700 might be My core values, a few of them are belonging and 243 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,200 Serendipity, you. And I talked about it before we 244 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,100 started recording like timing, and we're just firm Believers 245 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,900 in. What was the word that you used? 246 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 I used fate. But yes, I do. 247 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,800 But really believe that things happen for a reason and they 248 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,200 happen in that in that order or in that way or in that manner, 249 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,900 right? So yes, I'm there with you. 250 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:57,800 I agree. Yes, and so having that. 251 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,200 That be one of my core values. I don't believe that's something 252 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,100 that I would have been able to identify in myself because I 253 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:06,100 didn't have the time. I didn't have the space to 254 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:10,900 breathe and, you know, I think I grew up or really in my career 255 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:14,400 as an adult grew up in my career thinking that my core values 256 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,700 were like tenacity grit and you know, and that's just those are 257 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:21,800 fine, but that's not the way for ya. 258 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,800 So I like helping project managers figure that out start 259 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,900 with you. That's the building blocks that 260 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:30,100 we work off of. Want to create a career that you 261 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:32,800 really love and even if that's within the role that you have, 262 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,400 you're going to keep that role. Let's mold into something that 263 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,800 you can totally shine in. Gosh. 264 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,100 I love this journey. I mean, it's just I don't, where 265 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:45,700 do I start, Christina? You have such a eclectic but yet 266 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:49,000 purposeful and a progressive background. 267 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,300 In terms of how you got to where you are today, which is truly 268 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:54,100 inspiring. And then you have to go through 269 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:58,300 something very tragic and I think a lot of folks are Are in 270 00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:01,600 agreement is tragic. But also they would also 271 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,100 probably relate because it happened to many people because 272 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,800 of the pandemic in terms of having a reset and figure out 273 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,900 and an unexpected stops, right? And having to figure out what, 274 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:17,500 what am I doing here or am? I doing something that it has 275 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:21,400 meaning to myself? And I love this idea of we were 276 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,700 always taught this. There's this very uniform 277 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:27,700 professional way that you go about your career. 278 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:32,300 And I don't know if that's generational or if it's cultural 279 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,300 or whatever is driving that, but when you talk about the words, 280 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:38,000 be gritty be Scrappy get to where you need to be. 281 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Does that necessarily mean that that's how you are as a person 282 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,700 and you're actually making me do it introspective on myself right 283 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:47,000 now is you're speaking about what? 284 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,500 How does that align? And sometimes and often times? 285 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:55,400 I will say even to myself that I need to figure that out because 286 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,700 even just being on this Zoom. Um, call oftentimes, you'll have 287 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:02,600 people who have backgrounds blurred or they're trying to 288 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,300 hide an aspect of themselves that they don't necessarily want 289 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:07,800 to show in the corporate setting. 290 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,400 And I think that's just a very quick example of what you're 291 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,400 talking about when you're talking about understand who you 292 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,900 are and kind of what your reflection is to other people. 293 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:18,800 And I love this scene. I'm just rambling about it 294 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,300 because I loved hearing that entire story of how you got to 295 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:23,300 where you are today. And then now you find 296 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:27,700 yourselves, your find yourself in your own. 297 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,100 S, which is incredible. And you have such a great 298 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:34,800 meaning and background behind. Why you started mango flow 299 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Consulting, but I actually wanted to start when we get into 300 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,900 your actual business, how you got to the name? 301 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,500 Because I also really love the name. 302 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:45,800 Can you talk a little bit about that you? 303 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,100 Yes, so mango full Consulting in summary. 304 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:54,900 It came out because I wanted to not overthink things so much. 305 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:57,700 So I'll give you a little bit of the give you the background. 306 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,300 Round of how I came to it, but I want us to remember that. 307 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:05,400 I really tried not to put too much, thought into it. 308 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,500 And coming up with my business name was really the beginning of 309 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:12,500 me starting to go with my gut and what felt good to me. 310 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,500 And I know in business, you need to make sure that people know 311 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:18,099 what you're talking about. Like, you know, you're not, if 312 00:17:18,099 --> 00:17:23,700 you're a baker, you can't call yourself like Lego Lord. 313 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:28,900 You know, what, Lego Lord, which is also Really cool, but yeah, 314 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:34,400 it doesn't make sense. They don't mango full 315 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,800 Consulting. So my mother is Jamaican and my 316 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,300 father was American. He's black and I spent a lot of 317 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:47,700 my time in Jamaica as a child. And I went there every year and 318 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:51,900 I haven't been, I mean must be 10 years now, but I mean I had 319 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:56,500 an accent until I was you know, kindergarten first grade, when I 320 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:58,300 realized that people made Fun of me. 321 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:01,400 And as you do, you just let that go. 322 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,300 You work really hard. I remember practicing in the 323 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:06,500 mirror, to get rid of my accent, are still some things that I 324 00:18:06,508 --> 00:18:08,900 just couldn't shake. And I like that about me. 325 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:12,300 Now, some words and mannerisms that are still very Jamaican and 326 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,000 I hang onto them because I love them. 327 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,500 Yeah. Absolutely. 328 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:20,300 One memory that I really have that, I also love to hang onto 329 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:24,400 for dear life is being at my grandma's house at the foot of 330 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,200 the hill in Jamaica. And she had a Don't wall, you 331 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,500 could sit on the stone wall. My Grandma had sugar cane mango 332 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:37,800 trees, almond trees, lime. It was amazing. 333 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,900 Papaya of a cup of pineapple Apostle. 334 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:46,000 Paul poetry. And I remember my uncle getting 335 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,300 a mango down from the tree for all of us kids. 336 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,300 I was, I was about to say there were thousands of those kids. 337 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,900 That's, that's hyperbolic. There were probably like 12 of 338 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:54,900 us though. Just running around their head. 339 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,800 Crazy hair. Super tan. 340 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,200 Very nice. And I got my mango and I found 341 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,800 myself just an area on the wall, and I'm the oldest of four kids, 342 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,000 and we're all about a year and a half or two years apart. 343 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,900 So I didn't feel like I had a lot of time to myself finding 344 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:15,900 this area on that stone wall biting into that most orange 345 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:19,500 part of the mango and it kind of dripping down my hand. 346 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,100 And I just looked up and, you know, I guess going back to 347 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:25,500 Serendipity, but we're talking about fate and I just died. 348 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,700 Sort of opened up like it was cloudy, but In the Islands Daily 349 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:31,900 and so I saw that sun come through and I think I was about 350 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:35,300 nine and that's just feeling for me. 351 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:38,500 I don't really have the words to describe, but just feeling like 352 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:41,900 I was in my place that was where I was meant to be. 353 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:47,100 And so I have such an affinity for mangoes and on the other 354 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,000 side of it. I want to evoke and project 355 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 managers that it doesn't have to be. 356 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,600 So I don't want to say splintered splinted. 357 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:02,300 I guess it doesn't have to be so structured all the time, your 358 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:06,500 project, your project work like the stuff you do at work. 359 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,100 That's a project. That's fine. 360 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,700 But you as a person you're not a project and so giving yourself 361 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:15,800 that Grace and keeping an eye and an ear and a keeping a hard 362 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,200 out for that flow feeling when you're in it. 363 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,900 You'll know. And the more that you clock that 364 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:25,600 for yourself and feel like, oh, this feels great. 365 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,800 I'm in my space. That tells your brain that 366 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,100 that's a good thing and every time you encounter it, you'll 367 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:34,500 identify it more and more and that becomes your Norm. 368 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:39,900 So that's my long way of saying that's how I came into mango 369 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:43,500 flow and then Consulting because I wanted to leave myself open 370 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:45,500 for whatever the business might end up. 371 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:48,300 Being. I created a job for myself as a 372 00:20:48,308 --> 00:20:52,600 project management coach, and I also do a little bit of project 373 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,300 management consulting a very little bit and it just wanted to 374 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:58,700 leave myself. If open to whatever that might 375 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:03,100 develop into in the future, it's so it's so open, you know, and I 376 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:06,400 love hearing that story and there's and I don't know if this 377 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,100 is intentional or not, but even just in knowing that the title 378 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:13,200 of your business and not having met you or known that story 379 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,900 about you being a child, I would read it and think, okay. 380 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:20,200 There's person's going to help me get my mindset, right? 381 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,200 There's there's a level of mindfulness in it. 382 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,300 There's a level of just kind of balance in the title and I 383 00:21:26,308 --> 00:21:29,600 again, I don't know if If this is intentional, we had to talked 384 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,400 about this before we started recording. 385 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,000 So this is just things that resonate in just the name of 386 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,100 your Consulting business. And I think it's such a 387 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,400 wonderful message. I've only ever met one other 388 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,500 person who has really dug into mindfulness and it's connection 389 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:47,700 to project management and I think it's so important. 390 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:51,300 As you talk about. You don't have to be a project 391 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:54,300 manager 24/7. It's so hard to disconnect from 392 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,300 that side of your brain. It really is. 393 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,900 And I And again, that mantra for your business is it just makes 394 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:02,300 sense? It makes sense from a, from 395 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:06,700 where we're at today and people really trying to promote having 396 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:11,200 your work-life balance and being mindful of your own self versus 397 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,300 your work self. And Christine. 398 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:16,200 I just love that the the journey that you made and how you've 399 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,200 kind of created the foundation for this. 400 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,700 And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about it 401 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,100 without giving specifics on on specific people, but are there, 402 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:27,200 you know, clients stories that you wanted to? 403 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:31,000 Or some Journeys that might be inspiring to our audience. 404 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:36,200 Hmm. I don't like this spot here or 405 00:22:36,208 --> 00:22:38,500 maybe even your own because it does sound like you've done in 406 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:39,800 your own life before. Now. 407 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:43,600 That's actually a good segue that I think that will help me 408 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,300 out. Thank you for that little extra 409 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:48,100 tippet. Yeah course creating the program 410 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:52,500 that I created as a p.m. Coach, a strategic alignment 411 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,200 coach. I wanted to make sure that I was 412 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,500 offering a product a service to people that I knew actually 413 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:01,900 worked and I know that sounds very basic. 414 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:08,100 It sounds like business 101 but I do it then have some 415 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:09,200 businesses. I'm like today. 416 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,500 Even chat test that what the idea. 417 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,100 Okay, so, but yeah, please go on. 418 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,200 I just know. I wanted to, I love what you 419 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,300 said. I'll back up a little bit. 420 00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:19,300 I love what you said about business name, mango full 421 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,500 Consulting, because while it wasn't intentional, I didn't sit 422 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:26,100 down and say I want people to feel the specific word. 423 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,600 I think the fact that I had built it with those things in 424 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,500 mind for myself. Maybe that's what Oops, it sort 425 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,300 of radiate that feeling for others too. 426 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:36,800 So that makes me feel really great. 427 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,800 So thank you for sharing that. For me. 428 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,200 I have a program right now called the 90-day p.m. 429 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,900 Level up program and it is a beefed-up version of what I did 430 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:52,200 for myself to get myself to this point the key difference. 431 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,300 And is that it took me several years? 432 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:59,800 Oh, well, you know, you know it's so I just, you know in that 433 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,900 time where I was looking back and Really feeling a lot of 434 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:06,900 introspection, as you said retrospection, right? 435 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:10,200 We talked about post-mortems and I did a couple of those just on 436 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,900 my life. I did after my layoff. 437 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:17,500 And I looked at the key pivotal parts of my life, that got me to 438 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,300 where I am right now, which is like liking where I am in my 439 00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:25,500 skin and enjoying my career and enjoying the fact that I know I 440 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,900 can adjust it when I need, right? 441 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:31,300 Like a nothing's really permanent permanent. 442 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,200 And so I just took all that the key parts and I put it into 90 443 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,700 days because we are project managers and we love thinking in 444 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:41,400 quarters. Yeah, you've got to have that 445 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,600 type of time. Gotta Have It gotta have it. 446 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,600 So sometimes I'll talk to folks and I'll be, you know, it'll be 447 00:24:45,608 --> 00:24:50,200 it's cute q1 right now, right? And I'll be like, Yeah, by end 448 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,900 of Q2 will have the squared away and that just feels so good to 449 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:58,700 say and know that it's true. So I'll say that for myself. 450 00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:04,400 I worked with another. The professional to help me 451 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:08,200 figure out my core values. I knew that I wanted to do that, 452 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,700 but it's so helpful to have another person connecting with 453 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:16,500 you directly and hearing what you have to say, and sometimes 454 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:17,700 turning it around for you little bit. 455 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:21,100 Like is this what you mean? And then helping you transmute 456 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,800 that if it needs to be adjusted. So it just feels more you. 457 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,400 So I worked with another project professional when I wanted to do 458 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,700 that. I kind of needed a spotter, 459 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,100 right? Like you're at the gym and 460 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:31,800 you're like, no it doesn't feel right. 461 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,500 And they just tell you how your elbow needs, just move a couple 462 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,200 degrees then it was something better. 463 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:42,600 So I did that that really helped and that helped me create a 464 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,600 North star for any role that I'm approached with or any role that 465 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,100 I look at. Because a lot of us as PMs and 466 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,400 as women people who identify as women and honestly, as people of 467 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,300 color, we see something and we're like, I can do that. 468 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:01,300 Yeah, I can do it. Like, I got 20 minutes, but I 469 00:26:01,308 --> 00:26:03,400 can do it. Yeah, it's fine. 470 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,200 I can fit it. And we sometimes are not used to 471 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,700 saying I can do it. But do I want to do it? 472 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:17,100 Hmm I can do it, but will it be worth the discomfort? 473 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:22,400 And sometimes it is a lot of times it's not and I really 474 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,900 worked on honing my intuition where that's concerned and 475 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,800 bucking up any opportunity that I'm presented with or anything. 476 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,700 I see that kind of looks shiny. And new against those core 477 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:38,500 values that identified for myself and then being able to 478 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,900 see in a clear light. Oh, okay. 479 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,300 Know that? Yeah, that's not for me and then 480 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:48,700 I can work on how to properly say no and move on from there. 481 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,600 So that's a lot of what the program is that I offer for PMS 482 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,800 and working a lot on goals. It takes a few weeks. 483 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:59,800 Sometimes you work on deconditioning yourself. 484 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,000 I know that you had a couple. Asan, recently talking about the 485 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,800 PMP versus lean Six Sigma. Such a cool conversation and I 486 00:27:08,808 --> 00:27:11,200 have a lot of. Yeah, I have a lot of project 487 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,400 managers come to me. First question. 488 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,500 Not the gate. Should I get the PMP? 489 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:20,500 And it's frustrating because I'm like, you do not need the PMP to 490 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,500 be a successful project manager and also you should totally get 491 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,400 it. And people were like, what? 492 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,200 Yeah. Yes, exactly. 493 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,600 I know exactly that statement. Yes, go on. 494 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:36,300 So, but that's, that's the way that I view it is, as long as 495 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:40,500 you understand underneath why you're doing what you're doing? 496 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:42,400 Do it boo. That's cool. 497 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,300 But if you're out here doing things because you've been told 498 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,900 that you need them. You've been told that your 499 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:52,300 resume is trash until you get it or you feel like you might be 500 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:56,500 trash until you do this thing. That's where I want us to pause 501 00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,400 and turn it around a little bit and look at where that might be 502 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,400 coming from and go from there. And kind of Sulphur that so 503 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,200 that's by story sort of in a really General way. 504 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,400 One client that I've had was not feeling great about her ability 505 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,200 or desire to lead. Mmm. 506 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,300 And yeah, it's very rare syndrome. 507 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,600 All of that is that's there. Yes, and if you know, you said 508 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,800 it a few minutes ago and where you get to the point where 509 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,800 you've kind of done the stuff you've tried the stuff and 510 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,300 you're like I kind of want more meeting. 511 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,500 I won't work. Purpose and I have folks 512 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,400 sometimes come to me and say, hey, I really want some 513 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,000 coaching. I really want some career help. 514 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,900 I really want some p.m. Help yada yada, and I'll ask 515 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,400 them, how much project-based experience they have, or where 516 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,900 they are in their career and mid-career looks and sounds a 517 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,900 lot different than beginning of career plentiful people like, 518 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,300 right? Come back, when you start 519 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,700 feeling a little angsty, like back when you're frustrated come 520 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,400 back when you feel a little birds out for real because that 521 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:02,400 once you've gone through site of through a few Cycles, All's 522 00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:06,900 yeah, Project Life. Then you're like, okay, come on. 523 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,300 I don't know what I want. But I know it's got to be a 524 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:12,200 change from this and like nice work done. 525 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,700 So talking to this individual was such an eye-opener for me 526 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:21,800 because it showed what I felt and what I've seen in other 527 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,100 project professionals. But talking through day to day 528 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,900 and seeing someone who's so accomplished, still feel like 529 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:36,800 they aren't A good leader and driving that point home of like 530 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,900 by virtue of being a p.m., You're a leader. 531 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,100 You're a people leader. And I think we've been taught to 532 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,300 think that we aren't. Some of us have been taught to 533 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:51,500 think that our job. I've been told once my job is to 534 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:56,300 take meeting notes and set up meetings and I believed it like 535 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,900 three weeks. Unfortunately. 536 00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:00,100 Yeah. Yeah. 537 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:05,100 I like how that feels on me. Some I get off and getting to 538 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:08,200 the point where we're understanding project management 539 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,800 really is leadership and service and not doing too much service 540 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,300 where you're like, underfoot and not doing too much leadership or 541 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:20,300 you're just like up in the sky, but that where the two intersect 542 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,000 and where they connect. And so being able to see this 543 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,300 person's transformation from being really accomplished in 544 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,500 really good at what they do but feeling like, oh, that's not for 545 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,700 me and like Like, you know, side note. 546 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,100 That was me too. I was like team, individual 547 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:38,100 contributor all day. Like I will never leave. 548 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,700 People don't known. Bring me that watching this 549 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,500 person. Go into saying, I am a leader 550 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:50,100 and this is my leadership style. And this is what I prefer and I 551 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,400 love this and if this comes to my desk, I will delegate it in. 552 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,700 Here's how and PS I'm signing up for a leadership program and to 553 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:03,300 me that was amazing to see because Very easy to get our 554 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:07,400 minds into that rut of. Well, this is just what I'm 555 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400 doing. This is this is what I'm good at 556 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,300 and secretly. I want to explore this, right, 557 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,000 but I'm not good at it. And so we're just going to 558 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,800 pretend, it's not for me, right? So to watch someone explore 559 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,700 that. And have themselves reflected 560 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,200 back at them. See what they really got. 561 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,300 Going can take it and run with it. 562 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400 That's one of my favorite experiences so far. 563 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:35,600 Yeah, and and in 90 days, some people say that's such a short 564 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,800 or long time. I don't know. 565 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,400 For me. It's mostly such a short, such a 566 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,800 short period of time to get from A to Z, or what you just 567 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,900 described, right? But, like kind of the form, 568 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,300 formulating your purpose and kind of your yourself and 569 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,400 understanding it. Then getting to that point where 570 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,700 you're actually just like a project executing it in your 571 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,800 everyday life. That's that's incredible. 572 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400 And that's such an accelerated, accelerated timeframe. 573 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,500 I think to get to that Moment of clarity and you said yourself, 574 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,500 you had to go through it for many many years before you 575 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,900 figured out kind of that flow and Ebbs and flows of what how 576 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:12,900 to get to, to that point as well. 577 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:17,400 And I would imagine even after the 90 days, Christina that the 578 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,700 things that you help your clients reflect on and, and 579 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:24,100 start to internalize it comes up whether it's project management 580 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,200 related or not. So then it just becomes this 581 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,200 thing that expands into your life and it sounds like such a 582 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,300 beautiful Journey that people can make with you in your 583 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,800 program. So I personally will probably 584 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,600 talk to you outside of this podcast on how to level up 585 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,500 myself, but I think the audience as well, if you're interested in 586 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,700 working with Christina, please do reach out to her. 587 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,100 This sounds like such a great program in so timely for what's 588 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,100 happening right now in our environment. 589 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:55,400 To send that are social in that it like sociology of everything 590 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,700 that's happening right now. So if you're in that part of 591 00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:02,100 your life as well, definitely, I think this would be really, 592 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,400 really helpful for our audiences and also Christina. 593 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,600 I promised you, I would get you out at a certain time and we're 594 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800 just about there. But this has been a wonderful 595 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,700 conversation. I have to cut myself off because 596 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,700 I will just keep going and asking you questions because I'm 597 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,000 so invested in and interested in what you've Had to share with 598 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,100 our audience. So, thank you for being willing 599 00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,400 to come on, to the podcast for sharing your journey, and your 600 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,900 experiences. And I'm just wishing you the 601 00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,700 best of luck in your business because I believe it, I support, 602 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,300 I'm a supporter now. You've got me. 603 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,100 So everyone else, if you're interested as well. 604 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,900 Please do reach out to her, but that will do it for Christina. 605 00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:43,300 And I and this episode of the everyday p.m. 606 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:45,700 Podcast. Christina, if folks do want to 607 00:33:45,708 --> 00:33:48,500 reach out to you, whether it's about your program or just about 608 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,100 your professional Journey, or they just love your purse. 609 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,200 Malady, where can they find you online? 610 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,400 Well, so my website is www.miamikettlebell.com, low 611 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,600 consulting.com, and you can also find me on LinkedIn. 612 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200 I'm pretty active on there. I believe that's how and I met 613 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:12,100 and I'm Christina Heath and you'll probably see p and p. 614 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,699 And then a little mango Emoji because that's just how I roll. 615 00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:16,400 And I would love to hear from you. 616 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:18,900 Whatever. The reason I look forward to it. 617 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,600 Wonderful. 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