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The homosexuality being 
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resemblance to the loving, 
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sex relationships of my queer 
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This is part 4 of a sermon from 
Pastor Zach W Lambert. 

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Many thanks to the staff at 
Restore Austin and Pastor 

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Lambert for allowing us to use 
this sermon. 

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In Part 1, we heard about 
Restore Austin being condemned 

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and thrown out of their 
denomination, an experience that

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many in the LGBTQIA plus 
community can relate to. 

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In Part 2 we heard that God 
loves all of His creation, 

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including trans, cisgender and 
intersex individuals, and in 

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Part 3, Pastor Lambert reviewed 
three of the most powerful pro 

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LGBQIA plus verses in the Bible 
from Isaiah, Matthew, and the 

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book of Acts. 
In this episode, Pastor Lambert 

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preaches about the clobber 
verses, those Bible verses that 

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are often misused to attack 
sexual minorities. 

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Here is Pastor Lambert. 
Now I want to bring us to a 

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close by addressing the main 
objection to full inclusion of 

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sexual and gender minorities 
that I've been talking about, 

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namely the six verses, 3 in the 
Old Testament and three in the 

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New that seem to prohibit 
homosexual behaviour. 

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Walking through each of those 
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so I'm going to summarise the 
two major viewpoints and I'm 

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going to tell you what I 
believe. 

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Again, my goal is not to make 
you think like I think on this 

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issue or really any other issue.
I am a flawed human being with 

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my own biases like all of you. 
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decade studying this and reading
everything I get my hands on 

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about it from people from all 
over the theological spectrum 

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and I want to share what I learn
and I want to be open about what

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I believe. 
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interpreting these 6 verses. 
The 1st is called non affirming 

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theology. 
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scripture forbids homosexual 
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Now even a lot of non affirming 
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three Old Testament verses. 
That's because 1 is about Sodom 

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and Gomorrah, a really bizarre 
story about a group of men 

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forcing themselves on angels. 
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Levitical law, which Christians 
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commands like don't eat pork and
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don't mix your fabrics and stuff
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But non affirming people 
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Testament verses at face value. 
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in Paul's letters to the church 
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Do you not know that the 
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Kingdom of God? 
Do not be deceived, neither the 

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sexually immoral, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor men who 

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practice homosexuality, nor 
thieves, nor the greedy, nor 

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drunkers, nor revilers, nor 
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Kingdom of God. 
A non affirming theology looks 

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at a verse like this and it says
very simply, this is a list of 

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bad things that we aren't 
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Homosexuality is on this list, 
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bad thing that we're not 
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Which makes sense, and it's the 
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historically and traditionally 
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It's also worth pointing out 
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people who hold non affirming 
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celibacy because they believe 
that that's God's best for them.

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And as you can probably guess, 
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theology is affirming theology. 
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Scripture does not forbid 
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The foundation belief, the 
foundational belief of affirming

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theology, is that the 
homosexuality forbidden in 

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Scripture is not the same thing 
as the loving, equitable, same 

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sex relationships we see today. 
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Paul was talking about is about 
power and abuse and unrestrained

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lust, because in the patriarchal
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had all the power. 
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sex with other men or practice 
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So these patriarchal men, right?
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wives, male and female 
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female slaves without any 
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There were also Pagan temples 
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the city of Corinth where Paul 
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famous for encouraging sex as a 
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These temples often kept both 
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slaves. 
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those things are what scripture 
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They argue that monogamous same 
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exist in the biblical world and 
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Even most non affirming scholars
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they would still argue 
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still forbidden. 
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to the fact that the word 
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the English translation of any 
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year for the first time, the 
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Revised Standard Edition made 
the decision to combine 2 Greek 

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words into the English word 
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In that passage from First 
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Previously it had been 
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of themselves with mankind, or 
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Now, not long after the Bible 
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to the RSV committee disputing 
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Corinthians 6 and Doctor Luther 
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committee, He wrote a letter 
back acknowledging their mistake

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and committing to correct the 
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But homosexuality wasn't 
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accurate sexual perversions 
until the next revision in 1971.

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And after 25 years, a lot of 
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Homosexuality had been picked up
by other translation and applied

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to other New Testament verses 
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Now if you want to learn more 
about this, there's an upcoming 

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documentary called 1946 that 
tells this story. 

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Kathy Baldock, who wrote this 
book, helped with a lot of the 

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research on it. 
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both affirming and non affirming
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Now there was a time in my life 
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arguments to be convincing, but 
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To be very honest with you all, 
I'm not exactly sure when it 

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happened. 
It wasn't like a switch that 

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flipped. 
It was more like a dam that 

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slowly developed cracks until 
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See, the cracks started forming 
when I met LGBTQ plus folks who 

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deeply loved and pursued God. 
And the cracks got bigger when I

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met queer Christians who had 
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conversion therapy but still 
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And they got even bigger when I 
met people right here at Restore

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who'd been kicked out of 
churches because of their sexual

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orientation and gender identity,
and yet they still wanted to be 

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a part of a church family. 
And then when I began to dig 

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deeply into Scripture, the dam 
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And I began to apply the same 
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approach to the six passages 
about homosexuality that I do 

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with everything else in 
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I began asking questions about 
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language. 
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conclusion that the 
homosexuality being forbidden in

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the Bible bears no resemblance 
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spirit filled same sex 
relationships of my queer 

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siblings. 
I do not believe that same sex 

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relationships are inherently 
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Now they can be, but in the same
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can be when there isn't respect 
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love in the middle of it. 
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any relationship, heterosexual 
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and monogamous. 
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I don't believe heterosexual or 
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necessary part of life. 
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beautiful. 
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incomplete. 
They do not reflect any less of 

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God's image or fulfil any less 
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spouse or a partner. 
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minorities. 
I really like the way David 

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Gushy says it in this book 
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He says if what we're talking 
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goes ethic in a morally 
libertine culture, I stand 

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utterly opposed, as I have 
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But if what we're talking about 
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serious, committed Christians 
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to participate in society as 
equals, in church, as kin, and 

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in the blessings and demands of 
covenant on the same terms as 

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everyone else, I now think that 
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cultural, ecclesial, and moral 
decline and everything to do 

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with treating people the way 
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I don't believe any of what I 
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Scripture. 
I believe it because of them, 

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and I believe it because of the 
rotten fruit I've seen come out 

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of marginalizing and excluding 
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And I believe it because of the 
Christ like fruit I've seen come

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from empowering LGBTQ folks to 
follow Jesus with their whole 

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selves. 
Again, I'm not trying to get you

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to come to the same conclusions 
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You can interpret scripture 
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or non affirming way and still 
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We actually do this all the 
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The best example is with 
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See, the Bible talks a lot about
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direct words from Jesus we read 
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But Christians are far from 
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when it's not. 
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everyone here their perspective 
on divorce, you would get as 

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many opinions as there are 
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And yet we do not feel the need 
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And we certainly don't feel the 
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someone who's been divorced, 
even in a way that might confuse

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us. 
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the Bible in a way that leads to
non affirming theology is not 

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inherently homophobic or 
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I'm going to say this again, 
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In the same way, interpreting 
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non affirming theology is not 
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transphobic. 
But forcing LGBTQ plus people to

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adhere to a non affirming 
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participate in the life of a 
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Does that make sense? 
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OK, Thanks for clapping. 
That's nice. 

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And that is why we are fully 
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We join with God and the first 
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discrimination against sexual 
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full inclusion of LGBTQ plus 
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in our family here at Restore. 
So I'm going to close with a 

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message I got this week from a 
gay member of our church. 

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It's a beautiful example of what
that Christ like fruit looks 

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like that comes from 
celebrating, embracing, 

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including our LGBTQ plus 
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This is shared with permission, 
he said. 

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My mind seriously couldn't 
comprehend a world where I could

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be gay and a part of a religious
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I had shut myself off from even 
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possibility. 
But God's love finds a way 

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through, and I was able to find 
my way back to Him through your 

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demonstration of His love. 
I found He never left and was 

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simply patiently waiting for me 
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The love I received at Restore 
is why I'm able to share that 

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same love with others. 
Your love is baffling. 

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God's love is baffling, and my 
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love in a way that baffles 
stories like that. 

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Or why we are so committed to 
this hard but important work and

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we believe it's how Jesus has 
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this is what he has asked us to 
do and who He has asked us to 

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be. 
I'm going to pray or he be done.

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Lord God, you are good, You are 
holy, and you see us as your 

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beloved children with whom you 
are well pleased. 

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We are so grateful for that. 
I'm also grateful for these 

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stories in Scripture, for your 
words through the mouth of 

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Jesus, for your words through 
the prophet Isaiah, and for your

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specific direction of Philip to 
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minorities, not in just your 
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the first church, so there 
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this. 
Thank you for your clarity, 

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thank you for your grace and 
your hope and your love. 

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I pray that we would do 
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in and live in to who you've 
called us to be, both as 

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individuals and as our church 
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In Jesus name I pray. 
Amen. 

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Wow, there is so much here. 
Pastor Lambert opened talking 

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about 3 Old Testament clobber 
verses and he says. 1 is about 

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Sodom and Gomorrah, a really 
bizarre story about a group of 

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men forcing themselves on 
angels, and the other two are in

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the Levitical law which 
Christians don't abide by and 

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includes commands like don't eat
pork and don't cut your 

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sideburns and don't mix your 
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Of the many podcasts that I have
produced, the most popular 

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remains Sodom and Gomorrah, the 
most misused scripture in the 

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Bible. 
I also have several podcasts 

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dealing with the hypocrisy of 
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throw out most Levitical laws 
while claiming that sexual 

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minorities have to follow 2 
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Speaking of the New Testament, 
clobber verses from Paul's 

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epistles, Pastor Lambert says. 
The homosexuality forbidden in 

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Scripture is not the same thing 
as the loving, equitable, same 

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sex relationships we see today. 
Instead, the homosexuality that 

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Paul was talking about is about 
power and abuse and unrestrained

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lust. 
Many theologians agree with 

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Pastor Lambert. 
The Roman sexual practices that 

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Paul is condemning refer to sex 
trafficking, sexual slavery and 

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adult men having sex with 
children, Pastor Lambert also 

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points out. 
The word homosexuality did not 

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appear in the English 
translation of any Bible until 

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1946. 
The homosexuality being 

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forbidden in the Bible bears no 
resemblance to the loving, 

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monogamous, spirit filled same 
sex relationships of my queer 

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siblings. 
The sexual practices Paul is 

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condemning bear no resemblance 
to the loving, monogamous, 

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spirit filled same sex 
relationships that we see today 

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between consenting adults. 
And finally, I loved this. 

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Single people are not 
incomplete. 

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They do not reflect any less of 
God's image or fulfill any less 

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of God's mission without a 
spouse or a partner. 

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Putting the lie to the myth that
the Christian ideal is marriage 

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and having babies. 
Another conservative myth that 

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exists nowhere in the gospels. 
I'm so glad you have joined us, 

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and I do hope you will join us 
again. 

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Until next time, remember that 
God created you exactly as you 

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are and has promised you a place
in His Kingdom. 

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I am Elton Sherwin, stay safe, 
be brave, and God bless.