I'm Aaron and I'm Dana, and this is crimes we didn't commit.
Love this, love this for us. Love all of it.
It's a great time. It's a great day.
It's a. Good time welcome.
My tummy hurts. Mine doesn't, but I am hungry
food. But I did think, I think we
should just go ahead and mention the Patreon like, Oh yeah, let's
just get that out there. Do it.
It is live. We are so excited.
We have several members already, yes.
Do we call them members? We call them Patreonses.
Patreons. Patreonises.
Oh, I I texted you and I said patrons we have. 4 Patrons.
Patrons. It's like or a store or
something, but no, we are so freaking excited and we posted
the episode that is coming out Monday, so we're posting them.
Is today today's Monday? Right now you're recording on a
Monday. This episode won't come out till
next. Till next time.
But so if you're waiting for the the new episode, if you are on
Patreon, you're going to be able to hear it on Fridays.
Yes. So that's what's exciting.
Start your weekend off right. Yep.
And then you don't have to wait at all until Monday.
Yeah, and then we'll also be posting mini sods every week as
well, so and. And you never know, it might.
It might be a couple times a week.
We don't we don't know what we're doing.
We. Don't know.
We're still gathering the facts, thoughts, and.
And brain cells and college, all of it.
So, yeah, get on there. Get on there.
We're on there. We're we're there.
Yeah. And you should be there too.
And when you're here, you're family.
Olive Garden. We are not sponsored by Olive
Garden. No, it would be cool though.
It would be lots of breadsticks. Lots of breadsticks.
I love breadsticks. And I like their salad.
I love bread. I love.
Bread so much I. Think I think I need to start
making my own. Bread.
I've been thinking about that also.
I've made it in the past and it's turned out fine.
Why did you stop? I don't know, OK, I don't think
that we don't or I guess I'm the only one that really consumes
bread at A at a level that's unhealthy.
So. No, you're not.
So in my household of two, yes. So that I would just be eating
loaves of bread every week, which is fine.
Yeah, I don't care if people don't eat bread in my house.
I will. Yeah, I will eat the bread.
It's so good if you put a little olive oil and like salt and
pepper, like some spices. Just dip that shit in there.
What a good time. That's the best part of
restaurants. Like, that's why we'll go to a
nicer restaurant is in order to get that fucking bread.
Yep, yeah, it's my favorite. It's the best part.
Keep it coming out. Have you had the?
I have, but I haven't been to Texas Roadhouse in probably like
10. Years.
I mean, yeah, it's not like I go there often, but I just remember
those. Are we going to Texas Roadhouse?
Those rolls Rolls I. Love rolls.
No, we were on a cruise once and.
They had Texas Roadhouse. It was no, they had these rolls
and or they called them dinner. Yeah, dinner rolls, dinner
rolls. And they had like, cranberries
in them. And I don't know, it was weird,
OK. OK.
Weird. Stay with me, OK?
They were unbelievable. I'm here and I ate 8 of them.
I'm not kidding. The first day the.
First day I did, I did and it was, I mean it was great.
The food is for me. I love cruise food.
I haven't been on a cruise before.
So you'll love it. We should do a cruise with our
fans. Oh, that could be fun.
We could do. A crime so we didn't commit.
Yeah, there are so many crimes that have been committed on
cruises. That would be fun.
What if we were on a cruise? And a.
Crime was. We would investigate.
We could turn on our microphones.
That will obviously happen. With us, we would be.
Yeah, we would be. Put on our headsets, Take our
recorder. We would be live updating.
Yeah, about a a cruise crime. That would be so cool.
A cruise crime we didn't. That's right, CCWDC with me
letters and you. At C.
At C it'd be a great time, but then we could also record an
episode of a cruise crime that wasn't being committed then.
True, we could do several cruise crimes.
Crimes of cruises. New and old.
And present and past. And the captain?
Is sailing. Sailing.
Starboard, steer clear of icebergs.
Yeah, Bow. What are the other sides?
There's like Stern, Stern. Stern and bow.
And then there's starboard Starboard and then starboard
starboard. Oh God, not this again.
Starboard and. I feel like it's starboard.
It might be. I have no idea.
I don't know if we if only we had a way to access information
quickly one day. So I'm not gonna.
I'm gonna guess. Is there a hull, a hole, a hull
or something like that? Is that an airplane?
So the the bow is the front of the boat, right?
Sure it is. Whatever you want it to be, I am
here for it. I support you.
Well, I think I remember once, and I'm so stupid about this I
think, but I think I remember I wanted to say the bow was the
back because of the B. And it was the opposite.
And I think it's the bow is the front and the stern is the back.
I believe it. And the starboard side is the
side where they dock. Which is.
Starboard side. Do they dock on a particular
side every time? Does every ship dock on one
side? I don't know ship captains.
I have no idea for you. How many cruises have I been on?
I don't know. I don't know.
Two. I've been on none.
Three. I've been on three.
I've been on some boats though. Bermuda Bahama.
Bermuda Triangle? Is that the where everyone gets
lost? Yes.
OK, but I don't think people have gotten lost very much.
I don't know if they go into You did, I did.
Are you sure? Bermuda.
I went to Bermuda. But where is the triangle?
Around it, I'm pretty sure it's touching it.
I think it's a point. In it it's.
A. It's a point of the triangle at
some point and. So is lighting things on fire.
Yes. And bed wetting.
And animal cruelty. That's it.
Triangle, triangle. The only three sides.
Turns out we. Knew there was a triangle.
They told us. I think we should get into the
case before they start fast. Forward, Yeah.
Oh, yeah. If you.
Yeah, if if you don't like this part, go forward.
Yeah, they're going to just skip ahead.
Well, this case that I have is a little bit older, the
perpetrator. I love that word.
Was born in 1905, so I'm just going to start from the top.
So, Nancy, Hazel, that's a. 101 years ago.
Sorry. 101 Dalmatian which is a sick movie that was a fucked.
Up movie. It really is.
It was poor Douglas. God.
OK, so Nancy Hazel was later known to the world as Nanny
Doss. She spent most of her life
searching for romance, as most people do.
She was just a. A romanticist?
What is it? A hopeless romantic.
Romantic. That's it.
Sleepless. And yeah, she did dream
endlessly of handsome men. OK, Passionate love and the kind
of devotion she saw in the books that she would read.
She'd read a bunch of like romance books and like cheap
romance magazines and shit like that.
This could be good or or none. We're not.
Considering it's on this podcast, I'm going to vote for
the latter. OK.
So but beneath like this image of a soft spoken like southern
grandma. She's one of the most disturbing
serial killers in American history.
OK, All right, Nanny, let's hit it.
Over the span of more than two decades, Nanny poisoned
husbands, children, relatives and anyone else who seemed to
inconvenience her. Well.
In her mission for love. Jeez Louise.
When authorities finally arrested her, she laughed
through the interrogation and casually flipped through romance
magazines while confessing to murder.
The press eventually. What's a romance magazine?
I don't know, but I'm assuming like back in during that time,
there was a lot of war. Sure.
I don't know which one, but I'm sure there was one.
Well, there was, yes. War.
I can't say it. World What World War?
World World War. You have a hard time saying
world. Both of them.
You could say Earth Earth War just coming up with solutions.
Here planet war 1-2 and three right?
Is there 3? Not yet, but you know, you can
tell. But during that time, there's a
lot of heavy, I guess, like societal influence on like the
perfect woman and all this stuff and all this that was going on.
So that eventually got into, I guess there were magazines
around that. That makes sense.
Maybe I don't know the names of any of them.
Well, I'm sure there's like some vintage magazine out there that
maybe we can find. Maybe it's like.
Cosmo. But for romance?
Well, I mean, it's still romantic, I guess.
Is it? I don't know.
OK, OK, so the press eventually, because she would laugh through
her interrogation, they eventually nicknamed her the
Giggling Granny and the Jolly Widow.
Oh yeah. She would fit right in on this.
Podcast. Yeah, she would.
I don't. Agree.
Bring it on, Nanny. So that also kind of made her
crime scene more horrifying. Nanny Dos was eventually linked
to the deaths of four husbands across multiple states, though
investigators and historians believe the true number of the
victims were much higher. I feel like that's the case with
most serial killers in general. Yep.
In addition to her husband, she was suspected of murdering her
mother, a sister, two daughters, a grandson, a mother-in-law, and
several others. So she was on a roll.
We're going to go through all of them, but she was on a fucking
roll for a while. Yeah, she killed a lot.
She did, and it must. It's so easy to kill back then.
With poison too. Yeah.
Would have been, I was going to
say it would have been a great time.
I mean, if for her it Oh yeah, kept getting away with it.
Exactly. I met a lady this past weekend.
She gave off poison. Poison or vice, really.
Yeah, that's crazy. It was really weird.
I met her for the first time and she said her name to me and just
the look in her eyes was weird. And I just met her and we'd,
like, left because we were going to go out for dinner or
something. And she said by Dan and Adrian,
like she remembered after a prolonged conversation.
Our names, which is fucking weird to me.
Very attentive, yes, but that was weird.
Yeah, who does that? Who remembers names?
She like, turned around and watched us walk away.
Weird. It was very odd.
So remember when we went to the thing last week and someone
asked her like, hey, have you ever met anybody that
immediately gave you serial killer vibes?
I met one. And you experienced that.
I did, I feel like she probably did some shady shit.
That's weird. Wish her the best.
I don't have her last name but I I will find it.
We're going to find it. We'll definitely find, yeah.
We have people out there, so most often she used arsenic,
arsenic, hidden food or coffee, especially prunes, which is one
of her favorite foods. Well, she was shitting.
She'd be shitting. Whoa.
There was a family researcher. Her name was Shirby Green, a
distant relative of nannies. She said that many members of
the family refused to discuss her at all, and she described
Nanny as the skeleton in our closet, someone whose actions
permanently stained the family bloodline.
But she admitted that Nanny had become most legendary in parts
of Alabama just because of the sheer darkness and strangeness
of her crimes. She also rejected the idea that
Nanny's upbringing or circumstances excuse her
behavior, which, yeah, rightfully so.
Yeah. In her opinion, Nanny killed
because she enjoyed it and because at some point, murder
simply became easy. So now Nanny.
She was born in 1905 in Blue Mountain, Alabama.
Oh, I love Alabama. I haven't been to Alabama.
I. Don't think is beautiful?
Is it? Yeah.
Have you been to Blue Mountain? No, but I would go, OK, I would
go there. I guess we're going to go there
on a cruise. The Blue Ridge I have too.
I like that. That's very nice.
I like mountains. They're cool to see.
They're cool to see and look. At It's just like pimples of the
Earth. I don't want to climb one.
I did it once, saw it, been there.
It's not that bad if you go slow, Yeah.
If you're just chilling and you're not with someone who's
trying to rush you through this fucking process, then it's a
good time, Yeah. Otherwise, I don't want to be
there. Nope.
So she was born to a poor farming family.
Her parents or her childhood was harsh, exhausting and joyless,
which sucks. That sounds.
That sounds terrible. I mean joyless.
Joyless. What a description.
That's why she turned into the joyful widow or whatever.
It was, she found, joy. She did.
Her father, James Hazel, was known as a controlling and angry
man who ruled the household through intimidation and
violence. The children work constantly in
the fields, often missing school entirely if their father decided
they were needed on the farm that day.
According to accounts from the family, James had little
patience and frequently used physical punishment on both his
wife and his daughters. Nanny's mother, Lou, was
described as caring and gentle, but deeply afraid of her
husband. So, I mean, that's not a great
environment. No, it it definitely sounds
joyless. It does, and I'm sure that she
wished her dad was dead. Yeah, he sounds like a bastard.
He sounds Yeah, he sucks. Yeah.
By the age of five, Nanny was already doing hard labor.
She cut wood, pulled weeds, worked in the field, cleaned the
house and handled endless chores.
Fun was practically non existent in the household.
The girls were forbidden from attending dances, church socials
or community gatherings, and makeup and fashionable clothes
were considered sinful, and James insisted that no daughter
of his would tempt men or embarrass the family.
Oh jeez. Years later, Nanny would blame
many of her mental and emotional problems on a traumatic train
accident from her childhood while traveling with her family.
The train made a sudden stop, throwing her forward into an
iron seat frame. Oh God.
She later claimed she suffered from headaches, blackouts, and
pain for the rest of her life because of the injury.
Some speculate that the accident may have caused brain damage
that contributed to her violent tendency.
But the sherby green girl she strongly disagreed.
She believed that Nanny simply possessed A cruel streak that
already existed within her personality.
Yeah, I think that from, I don't know.
I don't either because brain injury does play a factor.
Yes, it's in the formula. It's in the formula.
And her upbringing, yes, was crazy.
It sounds super stressful. It sounds so controlling.
It sounds like she had nothing of her own.
She wasn't able to think for herself, do anything she wanted.
Yeah. So yeah, it sounds very much
later on in life. It makes it sound like she's
trying to control. Things, things.
And also, she hates men. Yep.
Despite the misery of her home life, Nanny developed an
obsession with romance. She she needed love.
She needed to escape. Desperate.
She wanted to feel love. Yeah.
And her fantasy? Right.
And I feel like reading like fantasy books or like fantasy
romance novels and stuff, you escape.
Yeah, like that's definitely, I feel like a drug of some kind.
That obsessing about it in your head.
And now you want it. Yep, even like that's the case
with even like murder and rape and stuff like that.
As soon as they start to obsess, they're going to try and act on.
If they don't get it, Yep, they're going to kill.
They're going to kill. She spent hours reading
magazines and lonely heart advertisements, which, honestly
kind of sounds like fun. Sounds like Tinder.
Yeah, but in a paper form. Yeah.
It's kind of cool imagining herself being rescued by the
perfect man. So romance did become her escape
from reality. And as she entered her teenage
years, her father continued to keep her isolated from her
social life. But Nanny would occasionally
sneak away to meet boys in secret.
OK, so good for. Her.
I mean it sounds. It does it sounds very much
normal and I think it's funny how like then and now it's
exactly the same like the exact same.
Nothing changes in like human no like this, the way humans
develop in that kind of way. Yep, that's really interesting.
So she quickly learned how to charm men with her bright laugh,
dark eyes and flirtatious personality.
So. Her seductive spirit, as her dad
would say. That's right.
In 1921, at 16 years old, Nanny met Charlie Braggs while working
at the Linen Thread Company. Always was intrigued how, like,
everyone worked at these factories.
I know and stuff. And what that would have been
like. Yeah, like, you're just working
on the line. You're like, there's my husband.
It always scares me thinking about a factory job.
Like you're going to lose your hand.
Well, there's one. I can't remember exactly what it
was but I remember this woman that worked in a factory and her
hair got stuck in the machine and it ripped her scalp.
Off. Oh, at least it didn't bust her
head. No, it didn't bust her head.
I mean, honestly, I'd rather die than getting my scalp ripped.
Off and being alive. Yeah.
There are some injuries that happen to people and I'm just
like, I just would have, I'd want to be done.
I mean, things blow up in there. It's so.
It's incredibly dangerous. I wonder if they offer good
benefits. Not then.
I'll tell you that I don't even know about now.
So Charlie seemed very respectable, hard working and
devoted to his family, which impressed her dad and his dad
James. OK, well, that's.
Good, that is good. Within only a few months, Nanny
married him, but the marriage quickly became miserable.
Charlie's overbearing mother insisted herself into every
aspect of their lives and dominated the entire.
House. Now that's annoying.
That's annoying as fuck. That's get out of my face.
Why didn't she notice that prior to?
They didn't have enough time. Well, yeah, I guess it was like
4 days when you're so. In love, you ignore all the
negative. Any kind of red flag, any kind
of negativity, we're like we're going to get through this, don't
rush. But not a invasive.
Take your time. Overbearing.
Take your time. There's no reason to rush it.
No, so all of that was happening.
The overbearing mother insert inserting her life into their
lives. So Nanny later wrote bitterly
that she had simply traded 1 controlling parent for another.
Which fucking blows. That's not the life that she
wanted. No, she wanted to.
She wanted to be free, yes. And that's probably pissed her
off. Oh yeah, I would be livid.
I would be. Too.
I would want her dead. I'm like, you're fucking up my
fairy tales. Yeah.
Between 1923 and 1927, Nanny gave birth to four daughters.
To him, yes. OK.
At the same, yeah. Just making sure I mean.
At the same time, both she and Charlie began drinking heavily
and cheating on each other. Oh, that's a recipe for
disaster. Absolutely already like the
external with the mother being a shit show.
Yep. And then now everyone's drinking
and being miserable. And now there's also infidelity
involved. And there's also 4 fucking kids.
Yeah, well, and when you put alcohol into someone that has so
many of the traits of a killer, that is true it immediately.
There was that one person that was like, I'm exhibiting all the
traits, what should I do? And don't drink, she said.
Don't drink. Don't ever.
That's going to fuck it up. Yep, it's going to set it all
off. Yep.
Anyway, that's a sneak peek into the Patreon.
It is, but that's. All that's all we're going.
To do here, that's all you get. Sorry, I won't do it again.
So the marriage became toxic and unstable.
Nanny spent time in bars seeking attention from other men while
Charlie disappeared for days at a time during drinking binges.
Their relationship, huh? You said during drinking,
bitches. There are probably some drinking
bitches in there. Bitches in the nose, OK, The
relationship steadily collapsed under the weight of resentment
and infidelity. I mean, that makes sense.
Those poor kids. I know they're going through all
of it, yeah. So sad.
And you said four boys, girls. Girls.
The tragedy struck in then tragedy struck in 1927 when two
of the children died suddenly within months of each other.
Oh God. Yeah, so they can't catch a
break. No.
At all doctors blame food poisoning, but Charlie was
convinced Nanny was responsible. According to later reports, he
became terrified of eating food she prepared whenever she seemed
angry or upset. Oh God.
Yeah. That is so scary.
That is really scary to think that they might be doing some
shit. Yeah, I mean, talk about being
paranoid. Oh, yeah.
Eventually, Charlie fled with their oldest daughter, leaving
Nanny behind with the youngest child.
I hate hearing that. Why would he do that?
I don't know. I hate him.
I don't understand when people are like, OK, I'll take one, or
I won't take any of the kids and just bail.
Yeah. How selfish.
Historians and investigators later suspected Nanny
intentionally poisoned the children because she viewed them
as burdens she no longer wanted to care for.
Yeah, I can't. No.
After the collapse of her first marriage, Nanny returned to work
in a cotton mill and eventually married Frank Harrelson in 1929.
She's on to the next. Yeah, she didn't kill the other
guy though. She just killed the kids.
I mean, it wasn't just killing. She just got a couple kids.
At first, Frank appeared charming and exciting, but he
soon revealed himself to be violent, alcoholic and abusive.
Feel like that's a common thing back in the day, like there
wasn't much to live for. Well.
I was thinking it's common to like we said, the first couple
months of being with somebody, they're this, they're that.
And then and then they settle in a little bit and they're crazy
starts to come out. That's what happened with me.
I. I started to get crazy and.
Then I'm that one and. Then you're stuck.
You're with me forever. I never so police frequently
arrested him for drunken fighting, and the household
became filled with arguments, threats and just instability in
general. Nanny endured that marriage for
16 years. Whoa.
That's a lot of years. That's a long time.
She was putting up with shit for a long time.
She was giving shit too. I'm damn sure that she was.
Yeah. She was also an alcoholic.
Yeah, She suffered beatings and emotional abuse.
So. I'm glad she I'm.
Glad she got beat. She killed 2 two of her kids.
Yeah, I mean that's. Beat that bitch, but I don't
condone. Domestic violence.
Domestic violence or a man beating up a woman but fuck her.
During this period, Nanny's surviving daughters grew up and
started families of their own. In 1945, her daughter Melvina
gave birth to a baby girl while Nanny stayed with her at the
hospital. Shortly after the birth, the
baby mysteriously died. Oh no.
Nope. Mm.
Hmm. Melvina later recalled what may
have been a horrifying vision. She thought she saw her mother
sticking a hat pin into the baby's head.
Nope, Nope. I don't like that I don't like
that I. Have a family story about that,
but I don't want to talk about her right now.
Oh no, that's OK, no one died. Everyone's safe.
Though she wasn't sure if the memory was real or imagined, the
incident haunted her for the rest of her life.
Because you don't just imagine something like that.
That's not something that you think about and just kind of
envision randomly. Well, and I wonder if she ever
questioned what happened to her other two sisters.
I mean we don't know how old she was at the time those 2 girls
died. Right.
And the doctor said food poisoning, right.
So then that's just probably they were like, oh, doctor said
this. So Doctor is right.
Maybe after the her baby died and that.
That's when she probably started the question.
Only months later, Melvina's young son.
Melvina's young son Robert, also died unexpectedly while in
Nanny's care. Doctors could not explain the
death and Nanny performed the role of grieving grandmother
perfectly. Wow, is she?
I wonder if she's still alive. Not Nanny obviously, but.
Like Melvina? I don't know.
We can find that out, though. I don't.
Want to search her out? You can and talk to her about
all her trauma. Yeah, kidding.
Tell us about your dead baby. And your mommy nanny.
And your dead son? Yeah.
Later, it was discovered that Nanny had taken out a life
insurance policy on the boy and collected the money after his
death. Suspicion.
It's always about the insurance. Also, it was so easy to get life
insurance policies on people. And I'm sure it was like $0.05 a
month, yeah. Feel like it was like a one time
feat because there was this one story of you're able to it was
when like planes were starting to come around and there was
like a life insurance vending machine.
Yep, and they would just they. 'D just put 1/4 in.
Be like have insurance for the rest of your.
Life. So if you die, yeah, they're
gonna get $100,000. 100 try like $10.
Which is the same. It's the same thing in today,
dollars in today. By 1945, Nanny had reached her
breaking point with Frank. And I mean, she was bound to.
Yeah, after. 16 years. One night after he came home
drunk and threatened her, she decided to act.
The next day she discovered his hidden moonshine jug in the
garden and secretly poured rat poison into it.
Frank died in agony shortly afterwards.
So. He went back to have a little
drink. He also buried it in the garden.
Oh no, it's just, it's, it's in the garden.
I wonder why he hit it. He's an alcoholic.
Yeah, I.
Need to have my my garden moonshine.
I need to have my shower moonshine.
Yeah, I need to have my. Car Moonshine.
My bed moonshine. My toothpaste.
Moonshine, so he died in agony. Nanny later calmly washed out
the liquor jars if nothing happened.
After Frank's death, Nanny travelled around the country
before eventually settling in Lexington, NC.
Oh. There she met her third husband,
Arlyle Arly. Arly Arly.
I'm going to say Arlyle. I like.
Arlyle Lanning though he it was through another like lonely
hearts advertisement. She met him.
OK, so now she's taken to the papers.
Arlal was another alcoholic who chased women and disappeared for
days at a time, and rather than confronting him directly, Nanny
became disappearing herself, leaving cryptic notes behind
before eventually returning home.
Oh snap. It's like when you would in back
in the day, you'd leave like these cryptic Facebook.
Yes. Like statuses.
Like like. Of like a song lyric or
something like that that expressed your emotion.
I used to do that, so cringe. She was a boy, she was a girl.
Anymore audience or something like that?
Yep. I used to do Lil Wayne quotes.
Oh nice. I would do like Evanescence.
We are not this hit. No.
I'd be like we live in small circles but we got different
views. I'm like these wounds won't seem
to heal. Very out of control.
Actually, that was a Drake song I think that I did.
And anyways. Whatever, it doesn't matter.
It's fine. We don't know colleges.
To neighbors and church members, Nanny appeared to be the perfect
wife. OK, she's good at that.
She can blend in. She can.
Marry. Literally anybody.
Yeah, I didn't look up a picture of her back in the day, but she
must have been a 10A bad bitch. I'll check why you read the.
Next part I don't. I mean, yeah.
So she would bake pies. She maintained A spotless home.
She tended to her garden, attended church faithfully and
entertained visitors, like, frequently.
No one ever suspected the darkness behind like all of that
cheerful merriment. She's not attractive.
Bad bench, I mean, but that was also like way later on.
I mean, that's her mug shot. Oh yeah.
My I mean. Anyway.
That was after she murdered for decades.
All right, let me find a younger one.
That'll that'll weigh on anyone in February of 1950.
Our I feel like it's our lie, but we're going to we're going
to keep it strong our. Lie.
Suddenly became violently I'll and died after suffering severe
vomiting and pain poison. OK, so every photo she looks
like that. Oh really?
Yeah. I wonder when did photography
start? Yeah, I I think they used to
draw people back when she was. With their mind.
It's where you had to sit there for like 30 minutes to get a
photo taken. For like 5 days, hold it.
Right there. Hold it.
Oh God. So he died after suffering
severe vomiting and pain. Doctors blamed heart failure or
flu like illness and never ordered an autopsy.
Of him. Correct.
Well, I mean heart, she made it look good.
She did. I mean, no one tracks.
Yeah, she did. I don't think anyone was,
really. No one assumed she would be
poisoning somebody and I don't think that her track record of
the children, the husband and like all of that was being
documented. Probably no.
Well, she's and she also moved. To different areas.
So no one knows anything. She just looks like a jolly, A
jolly old lady she. Looks jolly all right.
Person Nanny tearfully told neighbors that he had become
sick after eating prunes and drinking coffee she prepared for
him. Oh wow.
Only weeks later, the house Nanny and Arlal shared
mysteriously burned to the ground.
OK, so that she just has a lot of bad luck.
Yeah, a shit ton she. Can't keep a husband because
they die or leave and then. Her kids keep.
Dying. Her kids die.
Her grandchildren are dying. She lost her house to a fire.
Like she can't catch a break. Jeez.
She's just so sad. Aren't.
Nanny. Conveniently, though, Nanny had
removed her beloved television from the home shortly before the
fire. OK, she is me, I am her.
I get it, Nanny, I get it. She was claiming that she was
taking it to be repaired OK soon afterwards are Lyle's elderly?
Get the TV. I'm just the neighbors just like
what are you doing those? TV's were big.
They were like 2 big old brick box.
She's like. Take out the TV, just taking it
down the driveway, nothing to see.
Here whole house is engulfed in flames.
Nothing the matter here. That's so funny.
So soon after that, Arlal's elderly mother died unexpectedly
while Nanny was staying with her.
Yeah, then Nanny's sister Dovey, who had cancer and was being
cared for by Nanny, also died suddenly.
OK, well, that one. Yeah, by now, killing had become
very routine for her sounds. Like it?
Yeah. She just like kill, burn the
house, get TV, kill, kill. Shirby Green later described her
as a highly intelligent and very highly, very.
Choose Manipulative. She was highly intelligent and
manipulative. Yeah, capable of fooling
neighbors, doctors and the entire community for decades.
In 1952, Nanny joined the Diamond Circle Club.
It's a lonely hearts organization designed to help
people find spouses. Desperado.
Yes, she was a pygmy. Girl.
Yes, she was, but she was a pygmy in order.
I mean, she's probably still looking for that love, that true
love. True.
Yeah, like she. Let them come to you.
I know, if only we could go back and tell her.
Yeah, well, but she still would have been a killer, so.
Probably. I wonder what would have
happened if she found just like a lovely living guy, like
someone who fulfilled her dreams but also could potentially she
might be one of those people that.
Sounds like she doesn't know how to give love either.
She wants to take. Yeah, she's a taker.
So she needed therapy. She did so.
She joined that Diamond Circle club for the Lonely Hearts Club.
Through the club, she met Richard Morton.
He was a businessman from Kansas, Kansas.
Morton initially showered her with affection, gifts and
attention, making him seem like a romantic dream that she'd
always wanted so. The fantasy was becoming real.
It was. The fantasy quickly collapsed.
Next line. Oh.
God. Morton was heavily in debt and
Secret was secretly involved with another woman, so she's
pissed. Nanny didn't like that.
She's pissed, she's mad, she is just like, livid.
Now I'm a fucking make you some dinner.
You want something to eat? Is you hungry?
Do you like prunes? So Nanny resumed corresponding
with other men behind his back while plotting how to remove him
from her life. Classic.
Yeah, Classic Nanny. Classic Nanny.
Around that same time, Nanny's mother, Lou, came to live with a
couple. Oh, boy.
Only a few days later, she died. Really.
She became violently ill and died suddenly.
She's like, yeah, you can come stay.
Nanny She denied poisoning her mother.
Investigators later strongly suspected she was still
responsible. Yeah, well, yeah, that one's not
like an oopsie. No, not at all.
Like I didn't. Do this unless she accidentally
gave her the food that maybe. What if she just ate a poison
prune maybe or something? Or a pie.
She didn't like intent. She might intend.
To kill her. Mother.
So she didn't technically poison her, she poisoned herself.
Right. You're dumb, bitch.
Like mommy what you do? Those were my proofs.
You fat fuck gets your own snacks.
My name was on that. OK, so three months later,
Richard Morton also died from symptoms nearly identical to
those suffered by Nanny's previous victim.
She ate from the same he ate. Same.
She did love her some friends, She really did.
Oh, God. Nanny's fifth and final husband,
Samuel Doss, was perhaps the most unusual of them because he
was not abusive, alcoholic or unfaithful.
OK. Instead, he was deeply
religious, conservative and obsessed with discipline and
being fruit. That's her dad.
That's her dad in a nutshell. Yep, he criticized Nanny's
romance magazine, controlled finances and insisted on strict
routines within the household. Oh yeah, she's gonna kill him.
Yeah. So to Nanny, he was pretty
unbearable. Yeah, after Sam adjusted his
finances to give her more freedom and took out life
insurance policies, naming her beneficiary.
So he was trying to. He was, even though he was, you
know, a really still kind of shitty.
Yeah. He wasn't abusive at least.
Right. He well, he was.
In a different way, he. Was abusive, He was.
Just not physically. Emotionally and.
Yes, financially. Financially.
Yeah, but he did try to give her more freedom.
I don't know him, you know so. No one will anymore.
No, no, I didn't even tell you what happened to him. 3 guesses.
She shot him. He lived half the way ever
after, so he took out life insurance policies naming her
beneficiary. So Nanny poisoned him with
arsenic laced prune cake and coffee.
Oh. Yeah, she.
Fucking loves her prunes. I didn't know prunes made cakes.
Yeah, you can make anything. I guess I let me.
Rephrase it, I didn't know. That you could make prune cake.
Yeah, I get it's a fruit. I know it's a fruit.
So I guess you could just whatever with it, right?
You could fucking what are prunes?
They're dried apricots. No they're not.
I know that for a fact. Feel like they're dried plums?
What is a prune? One moment, please.
Prune can function as a both a verb and a noun.
OK, wait. Oh, OK, that's good.
It a plum. It is a plum.
Yeah, you are So, Sir, you're like it is a dried apricot.
No. It can, or it could be a mild
laxative. Yeah.
I mean, we knew that. I love plums, that's my
favorite. Fruit.
I love plums. And I used to love prunes until
my son ate them and had blowouts in his diaper and I was like, I
don't want to prune anymore. Never again.
I hadn't had AI. Don't want to see that.
No, now it's been 45 years. But nanny's making me want to
prune again. So she poisoned him with the
Isn't arsenic the one that smells like almonds?
I don't know. I think that it is.
Is that rap? Or is that cyanide?
I'm pretty sure it's cyanide. I think cyanide smells like
almonds and only like 20% of the population can smell it.
OK let's. Or something like that.
Arsenic. That one tastes sour.
I haven't tasted it. I had a teacher in middle
school. She would have to put rat poison
on like the tip of her tongue sometime to thin out her blood.
Wow, yeah. That's.
Crazy. It was kind of cool.
She was a great teacher, loved her.
It doesn't say what it tastes like.
I mean is. Cyanide.
The one that smells like almonds?
As far as smell, let me look. Smell I'm.
Pretty sure it is. It's completely odorless, but
cyanide isn't. No, that's arsenic is completely
but it does say it can give off a distinct garlic like smell.
And then what was the other one? Cyanide.
I feel like that could be something smells like almonds.
By God. I'm pretty positive, but either
way, he became bravely ill and spent weeks hospitalized but
survived temporarily. We're just going to hold.
I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm trying to look up cyanide,
it says. Thinking a little longer.
OK, it's, it's like AI is telling you.
OK, it says. You're suspicious now?
Yes, a bitter almond odor. OK.
So that you're right one. Yeah.
Anyway, Sam became gravely ill and spent weeks in the hospital
but survived temporarily and the moment he returned home, Nanny
poisoned him again during a welcome home dinner and he died
that same night. Welcome home.
Yeah, you're dead. This time, this time, finally,
the doctors became suspicious. After 25 people, yeah, 25.
So they decided to do an autopsy, OK?
And it revealed enormous amounts of arsenic in Sam's body.
And that's when Nanny was arrested.
Thank. God.
So she was arrested and questioned by police in
Oklahoma, and throughout the interrogation, she remains
strangely cheerful. Like we were saying at the
beginning, flipping through romance magazines and giggling,
wall investigators were interrogating her.
Psychopath. Full on psycho full.
On Psycho. She's like, she's gone.
Yes, she's long gone. She doesn't even.
She's not living reality. No, not in the slightest, right?
Eventually, she did confess. So would you like some prunes,
Officer I? Brought welcome home.
I brought snacks, they're like. Where's my TV?
Thanks. Yeah.
I wonder how long she had that TVI mean if she carried that out
of the fire. I wonder if she brought it all
the way from Charles Charlie's house.
I'm wondering, I don't know, you know, the history behind that
TV. But eventually she did confess
not just to killing Sam, but to poisoning several other several
of her previous husbands as well.
Her explanations were very casual.
It was one husband drank too much, another cheated, another
controlled the television and refused to let her use electric
fans during hot weather. And to nanny these grievances
justified murder. Listen, I was.
Hot. Yes.
OK, so hot. I want to turn on the fan.
Hot temperature wise. OK and I was mad.
How? So what would you do, Officer?
So I just, you know, cyanide. Arsenic, you know.
Arsenic you know Perez. It's in the recipe.
Look at the cookbook. I would love to see Nanny's
cookbook. It's probably crazy it.
Would be wild 4 cups Arsenic 1 prune.
Authorities exhumed multiple bodies connected to her, and
Arsenic was found in several of the corpses, including those of
her husbands and mother. Other family members were
believed to have been smothered, I guess like the kids.
Still, Oklahoma chose to prosecute her for only the
murder of Samuel Doss after the psychiatric evaluations deemed
that she was legally sane, which is questionable.
That's. Crazy.
It's crazy what is considered sane.
They're just like, as long as you know that killing is wrong,
that's sane, Which you could be very insane and and know that.
They're like, if you can work an oven, yeah, you're sane.
If you can measure out cups, you're saying you're saying
that's it, Yeah, Anyway. You can move ATV.
Yeah, Sane Sane Nanny pled guilty in 1955 and received a
life sentence instead of execution because she was a
woman. Oh.
Yeah. Oh.
So that's kind of cool, I guess. That's news.
She spent the remainder of her life in prison, reportedly still
reading romance magazines and fantasizing about true love.
Why would you stop now? Yeah, you, you that's.
It Yeah. You know, you might as well
carry on. It kept her going.
That's the only way she's going to have love.
Yes, is in her. Head.
That's it. That's it.
You can't hurt anybody and. And that's fine.
And you don't have access to prunes anymore.
No, she can't do anything. No, Nanny Doss died of leukemia
in prison in 1965, and by then, the image of that cheerful
grandmother who giggled while discussing murder has cemented
her place as one of America's most disturbing female serial
killers. That is crazy, I've never heard
of her before. Yeah.
And the fact that her name is Nancy and she goes by Nanny.
Yeah. Wait, was it Nancy?
You said Nancy I. Probably did.
And I don't know, I think it's cute.
It is really cute Nanny. I feel like that's like a cute
old timey like thing to do. And for those of you that are
wondering what she looks like, she is a heavyset woman with a
gap in her teeth. This.
Sounds so so like not nice. Well, I'm just saying I'm
explaining what she looks like and she's got the worst hair
I've ever seen. She does have a bad hair too.
She has a nice smile, but it's also menacing.
Probably creepy. Yeah, because she smiles with
her teeth sometimes. She smiles without her teeth
sometimes. And.
They'll be pictures. Again, her hair is so fucked up.
Like wow, where did she go? Where are you?
Where are you, Nanny? But so basically her obsession
with romance ended up causing her to poison everyone who
disappointed her. She looks like, I mean I would
eat her food. The end.
That's what she looks like. She she looks like.
She looks like someone who'd be a good cook.
Yes. Yeah, she looks trustworthy.
She. Does she does?
Like she looks like a really sweet grandma.
Yeah, that would make a bad ass pie.
Yep. I mean she doesn't look like a
psychopath, I mean her hair would only.
Despite her hair, that would be her hair indicating Yep, that
would be her formula. Otherwise triangle.
I mean, she looks like a sweet lady.
Yeah, interesting. That's wild.
It's regular people. I mean they look regular.
They look, I mean most of our. Yeah, they all look regular.
Yeah, I mean, everyone looks regular, I guess.
Well, I mean, sometimes you can look a lot, You can look crazy.
People look like people, but I don't think I would look at
these people. And think if I saw them walking
down the street, I'd be like, she's going to the grocery.
Yep. She's not going to go get a pin
and put it in a. Someone's scalp or the baby's
like soft spot or whatever. Oh my God, no.
Yeah, can't deal. No, can't freaking deal.
But that's the giggling granny. Giggling Granny.
Yeah, I would be interested to talk to.
Her same. I think she would be because I
don't like. I feel like she genuinely feels
justified. I think she does too.
She's like, these people are bad.
Yep. You know.
Well, and for her to be in this fantasy land of I'm just trying
to find love. That's it, and she's just
doesn't fit into her fairy. She's picking the.
Bad. She's got a bad.
Picker. She does have a bad picker, but
she's probably also attracting bad, of course.
Yeah. She's not.
Great. No, she's not.
She's not great and that's why, moral of the story, you don't go
to the ads in the paper for. Yeah.
A a love for love, yeah. For your for your true love,
Yeah, you go to Tinder. Don't answer.
Yeah, don't. Don't look at ads.
I wonder if there's still people out there that put in ads like
in the newspaper. Well, do you remember when
Craigslist? Craigslist had the.
Dating section. The dating section but there was
like. It's still there.
I can't remember really. I'm pretty positive it is.
There were some that was like missed connections or something.
Oh interesting, like I saw this person on a train.
Like I saw so and so at the grocery store.
Yeah, this is what you were wearing.
Yeah. This is what town, Yes.
Or whatever it is, right? The people do that on, like,
TikTok. Really.
Yeah, I've seen plenty of people.
I've seen people that are like if your fiance is on his
Bachelorette or bachelorship and he's.
Lying. He's cheating, He's cheating.
On you. Yeah, I've seen a lot of those
too. Yeah, it's so fucked up.
It's like good. On I'm glad.
Good on women for sticking. Together, absolutely.
Like have each other be a girl's girl.
But I'd love to find like. Or a boy's boy.
Or. Just be a good person.
Yeah. Just be a good person, don't
lie, don't cheat, don't kill. Don't steal.
Don't poison. Yeah, so and eat not too many
prunes. Don't, just maybe, stay away
from prunes. For a little bit, yeah.
Especially after hearing this episode.
You never know. You don't what's gonna be in
them. You don't.
I think that's why they stopped. Well I think it more for allergy
reasons bringing you can't bring home baked stuff to like schools
and stuff like your kids class. I think it's more allergy but
it's also you could poison people.
It's also gross. It is, I don't know what your
sanitary situation you're there was this lady that would bring
like baked goods and stuff to this place that I would go to
and I went to her house one day and it was gross.
So nasty. Yep.
And I was like. That's why I have an issue with
eating baked goods that are store bought.
That aren't store bought. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
But not you, Scott. Yep, not you, Scott.
Well, yeah, if I know them. Well, yeah, I know it's a
totally different. Story I've seen your living
space. Or something like that.
I know what's up, yeah. But it was so gross, so nasty.
It was like, Oh my God. Yeah, I can't deal.
Like, can't smoking cigarettes in the house and, like, bugs and
just bugs. Yeah.
Like, Nah, it was gross. Pet hair was like on every
surface. Oh no.
And I'm just saying no, I can't. This is too much.
I can't deal with this. And then I.
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