1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,920 I'm Aaron. And I'm Dana. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,880 And this is Crimes we didn't commit. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,080 OK, here we go. Are we here now? 4 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:16,840 We are here after crying. Together, we just cried. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,960 We had a good cry. We did, and I felt like it felt 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:20,640 nice. Yeah. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,520 I cried on the way here already. So. 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,280 As soon as I woke up, I cried. Yeah, we just, I, we just needed 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,600 it. We're healthy. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Yeah, we're happy. I swear I. 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Promise you life is going great, yeah. 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,080 You just have so many tears. So many feelings. 13 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:37,199 Yeah, Yeah I I feel feel like like we we talked talked about 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,480 about in in the the last last episode episode about about 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,560 crying crying all all the the time. time we did I think this 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,760 Is. I think that was our first. 17 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,240 With crime. Crying. 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,520 We didn't commit. We didn't commit them while 19 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:53,680 crying. That's OK, It doesn't matter. 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,600 I woke up early today. You did. 21 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,080 I was surprised when you texted me the picture of the gym. 22 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Yep, I was like, I'm going back. So I saw you walking away, but 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,160 you were walking on the sidewalk, so I didn't want to. 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Oh yeah. Walk that way because. 25 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,600 She wanted to do like this video of about leg day. 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,800 She found a pothole and she was like, you have to walk towards 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,240 the pothole and fall on it because your ass is like so 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,480 fast. Yeah, like that. 29 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,880 Yeah, love that. Yeah, she didn't ask me. 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,440 I mean, I was just, I want to be there. 31 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,800 I wasn't there. Yeah. 32 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,400 That was all. But I like her. 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,720 I do like her. She's really cool. 34 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,120 I forget her name. Rachel. 35 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,200 Rachel. Rachel. 36 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Listening, we love you. I'm looking forward to is it 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,640 going to be a 2 parter or is it just going to be like a one 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,920 honestly one long one it. Could be A2 parter, yeah, we'll 39 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,560 kind of see how far we can get in the timing because it's. 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,160 If we're pushing an hour 30. Yeah, Yeah we'll. we'll We 41 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,960 might. We'll do it before you're done. 42 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,560 Yeah, yeah. The the research on this case. 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,320 So this case is sort of well known. 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Yeah, yeah, he's a real son of a bitch. 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:22,320 So Lucas was born on August 23rd, 1936 in a one room log 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,560 cabin in Blacksburg, VA. OK. 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Yeah, so he he had three siblings. 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,600 No, no electricity. No air conditioning. 49 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,800 No thing. Yeah, I know. 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,360 It's cheap. So yeah. 51 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,480 I mean, there was. He didn't have three siblings. 52 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,960 He had nine. OK, we're three. 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,320 My bad. Yeah, 3 personalities. 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,040 I mean, really. So his mother, her name is 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,600 Viola. Oh, that's fun. 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,120 She was a member of the Chippewee tribe, OK. 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,480 She was also an alcoholic and a prostitute. 58 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,240 Nice. Yeah, I mean, you do it, she 59 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,200 got. To To I I mean, mean she she 60 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:04,360 ruled ruled the the household. household yeah she was a one she 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Was a hustler. Yeah. 62 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,080 And she I would want to drink too. 63 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:13,160 Of kids, lots of kids. You got to stay warm. 64 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,040 Yeah, Henry. Yeah, Henry was the youngest of 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,240 the nine children. That's a lot of motherfucking 66 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,640 kids. Yeah, his dad was a double, 67 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:30,840 double amputee who lost his legs in a freight train accident and 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:38,360 was nicknamed No Legs. So So, so so novel novel. yeah 69 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,120 so catchy I would hate to have my legs amputee I if I had to 70 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,680 lose my arms or my legs I'd lose my arms Yeah, I think so. 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,440 What about one leg and one arm? That's fine. 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Yeah, I'd rather do that to stay like symmetric. 73 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Oh, wait, no, I lied. I'm thinking the other way 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,360 around. I would lather, I would lather, 75 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,080 I would lather my legs. I would rather lose my legs just 76 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,320 because all of the I talked about this with somebody, all 77 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,280 the mechanics and like all of the, you know, fun, fun leg 78 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:17,399 things that they have out. The prosthetic, all the 79 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:19,200 prostitutes can carry you around. 80 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,560 So his dad was characterized as his his wife's pimp. 81 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,360 Oh, OK, so he was Viola's pimp. OK, but also her husband. 82 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,640 Yes, nice. And a father. 83 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,000 Yeah, it's very strangely. A son. 84 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:42,200 His mom would sometimes force Lucas and her husband watch her 85 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,920 have sex with her clients, Lucas said. 86 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,760 I just couldn't stand there and watch. 87 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,280 I had to turn my back and walk out of the house. 88 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,000 And after I did that, she beat me 'cause I didn't watch. 89 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:58,440 When Henry was 8, he was beaten by his mother on the head with a 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,600 wooden plank, which caused him to spend 3 days in a coma. 91 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,840 Maybe that's the other part of the triangle head injury. 92 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Maybe I feel like it's head injury, bed wetting, abusing 93 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,080 animals. And watching your mother have 94 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,320 sex with multiple men. Yes, it's a four sided triangle. 95 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Lucas developed an infection in his left eye at 1:10 of his 96 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,320 brothers struck him with a knife. 97 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,920 He really had a bad upbringing. His mother ignored the injury 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,760 for several days until a teacher swiped him over his eye with a 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,680 steel tipped ruler and the eyeball bursts and had to be 100 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:47,880 surgically removed. Oh my, yeah, that must have been 101 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,240 incredibly painful then, prior to getting struck with that 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,080 ruler. Can you imagine the teacher? 103 00:05:53,480 --> 00:06:00,320 Just Just like like. Like oh fuck, that's never 104 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,120 happened before. He could have gotten like blood 105 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,400 poisoning and stuff like that. Many, Many so so many many 106 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:08,760 things. things His body is not good. 107 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,720 And you know that ruler wasn't clean. 108 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,320 Oh, absolutely not. Yeah Yeah. 109 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,400 But tetanus? Both of these traumas to Lucas's 110 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,840 head have led examining medical experts to conclude that these 111 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:28,720 caused brain damage. Later evidence with CT scans 112 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,800 showing small abnormalities in the frontal lobes, temporal 113 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,720 lobes and in the parts of his brain that are related to 114 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,040 emotional control, while other medical examiners have concluded 115 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:46,840 that problems with his corpus callosum played a role in his 116 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,320 aberrant behavior and personality. 117 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,960 OK, so that frontal lobe, I know that's like making decisions, 118 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,960 impulse control and all of that stuff. 119 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,240 And then the emotional 1 is like the amygdala. 120 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,440 Good Good job job. That I think. 121 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,000 What about the Abdullah Oblongata? 122 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,920 The medulla oblongata. Is Is that's that's like like 123 00:07:04,919 --> 00:07:06,719 the the back back at at the the head head I I feel. feel Sure, 124 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,999 Sure there's there's also also anyways anyways Epicampus. 125 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:14,080 epicampus That wasn't affected, so his mother would also make 126 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,280 him cross dress in public so she could later pimp him out to both 127 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,080 men and women. Wow. 128 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Yeah. What was happening with the 129 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,440 other siblings I I wonder? I don't, I don't know. 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,840 I don't know. I couldn't find anything on 131 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,600 that. That's so strange. 132 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Eventually, Lucas's school teachers complained about the 133 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,560 cross dressing and a court order put it to an end. 134 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,240 OK. Yeah, it stopped. 135 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Yeah, that's good. Lucas was also frequently 136 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,880 bullied as a child and later cited the mass rejection by his 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,760 peers as a cause for his misanthropy. 138 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,840 This is what Lucas states about his childhood. 139 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,000 I hated all my life. I hated everybody. 140 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,120 When I first grew up and can remember, I was dressed as a 141 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,760 girl by my mother and I stayed that way for two or three years 142 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,200 and after that I was treated like what I call the dog of the 143 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,880 family. I was beaten. 144 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,720 I was made to do things that no human being would want to do. 145 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Wow, poor guy, that. Sucks 'cause he's a kid. 146 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,720 He's just a child, he. Didn't do anything no to deserve 147 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,240 that. So he got really fucked up by 148 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,480 his parents. Really did. 149 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,240 That sucks. For small him, yeah. 150 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Poor guy, but fuck him. Wait till you hear more. 151 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,760 His father died of pneumonia after spending the night outside 152 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,198 in the cold. Why'd Why'd he he stay stay out 153 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,360 out there? there I guess his wheelchair 154 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,040 just got stuck. Henry dropped out of school in 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,440 the 6th grade and ran away from home drifting around Virginia. 156 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,040 Which, good on him, right? That's get out of there. 157 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,680 My yeah, exactly. Like he actually took his life 158 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,160 into his hands I guess. Yeah, I mean, what could be 159 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,240 worse? You know? 160 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Exactly. Now, he did start an incestuous 161 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,240 relationship with his half brother, OK, and started 162 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,160 engaging in bestiality, capturing small animals and 163 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,960 performing sexual acts on them before killing them. 164 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,280 OK, so things got really weird. Really like. 165 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,960 That other guy, yeah. Exactly. 166 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,680 Like Cannibal man. Maybe that's part of the 167 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,320 triangle? Yeah, this triangle has a lot of 168 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,320 sides. So many sides. 169 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:35,120 In 1951, Henry So Henry's 14 at this time, his first victim 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,920 named Laura Burnsley. She was 17 years old. 171 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Henry picked her up from a bus stop, couldn't find how he lured 172 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,560 her in or anything like that. Yeah. 173 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,480 She refused his sexual advances and resisted an unsuccessful 174 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,840 rape attempt. He killed her and buried her 175 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,760 body in a secluded wooded area near Harrisburg, Virginia. 176 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,440 That's at 14 years of. Age 14 years old. 177 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 So that was his first victim. He killed someone at 14 years 178 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,200 old. And he knew it was wrong, yes, 179 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,040 because he went ahead and and buried her in a secluded area, 180 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:11,680 no less. Yeah. 181 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Yep, this is what Henry said about the murder. 182 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,560 It scared me a bit, Lucas said. Because the first girl I killed 183 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,760 was when I was 14 years old. I wanted to try the sex I'd been 184 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,680 watching. I got to playing too rough with 185 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:33,680 her, the pressure of seeing my mom hit me and my emotions more 186 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:37,720 or less took over and I couldn't quite handle it now. 187 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,600 As with most of his confessions, Lucas later retracted this 188 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,680 claim, but Burnsley was never found. 189 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:50,720 Hmm, really strange. Yeah, I feel like he did it. 190 00:10:53,280 --> 00:11:00,560 Yeah, of course he didn't. In the next year, so 1952, Lucas 191 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:04,440 received his first prison sentence when he and two of his 192 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,600 half brothers were arrested for burglary. 193 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,360 He spent a year at a school for juvenile delinquents in 194 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,680 Beaumont. But he enjoyed it because it had 195 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,880 electricity, running water. It was luxurious compared to the 196 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,680 log cabin. He grew up in. 197 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,280 He was like, wait a minute. Anything was better than that. 198 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,600 I flipped the switch and let there be light. 199 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,000 In June of 1954, he was sentenced to six years 200 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,840 incarceration for a dozen counts of burglary and was released on 201 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,440 September 2nd of 1959. A dozen counts is a lot of 202 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,680 counts. Yeah, and he tried to escape. 203 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Twice. Oh wow. 204 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Yeah, isn't that crazy? That is wild that they let him 205 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,280 out. Yeah, that he tried to escape 206 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,960 and then they also released him. Yeah, five years later. 207 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,600 So he had a six year sentence. Yeah, Was it for good behavior? 208 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,280 Tried to escape and they let him out in 5. 209 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,160 And they shouldn't have because he immediately committed murder 210 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,320 again. Oh God. 211 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,600 He moved to his sister's place in Michigan, but his mom soon 212 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,800 caught up with him. She wanted him to come back to 213 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,720 take care of her. They got into an argument that 214 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,640 resulted in her death when he yeah, when he stabbed her in the 215 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,160 neck, which caused her to have a fatal heart attack. 216 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Oh, that's interesting. How that? 217 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,520 Worked out, I know that's what I said. 218 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,200 So So I I mean mean, I I guess guess he he didn't didn't commit 219 00:12:35,968 --> 00:12:37,760 commit murder murder then then. Well, he claimed. 220 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,000 In that sense. He claimed it was self-defense. 221 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,960 He was found guilty of second degree murder and was sentenced 222 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,120 to 20 to 40 years in prison. And he got out in three days. 223 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:55,360 Well, he was released in 1970 due to overcrowding and he only 224 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,961 served 10 years. Oh Oh nice nice. 225 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:03,000 So you were right on the money. In 1971, he was then sentenced 226 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,840 again for three years because he attempted to abduct a 15 year 227 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:17,480 old girl at gunpoint. You You shouldn't shouldn't. you 228 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,400 probably shouldn't get let out Yeah, I know. 229 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,720 I mean, he was institutionalized, right? 230 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,320 He went from a log cabin to committing a crime, killed 231 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,840 someone, went to prison, killed someone, went to prison, tried 232 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,760 to kill someone, and. We're about to find out We're. 233 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,320 About to find out what's about to happen he. 234 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:43,200 In 1975, after being released, he moved to Pennsylvania where 235 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,120 he worked on a mushroom farm and this is where he met his soon to 236 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,400 be wife, Betty Crawford I. Thought you were going to say 237 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Betty Crocker. She was a widow of one of his 238 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,600 cousins, so like, he knew. Her. 239 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:04,400 Yeah she left him after she accused him of molesting her two 240 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,720 daughters OK, yeah, I'd leave too. 241 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Yeah, Henry stated, drifting around the southern United 242 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,880 States, supporting himself through odd jobs and by his own 243 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,960 account, began a series of murders and raping women. 244 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,520 In 1978, he met a man named Otis Toole. 245 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,360 He was a fellow sexual deviant from Florida. 246 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Nice they met Florida. They met at a soup kitchen, no 247 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,640 cool, and they struck up a friendship. 248 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Just a little. A little soup kitchen. 249 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,800 Yeah, Brotherhood. It's giving Leonard Lake and. 250 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,839 Charles. Henry Henry moved moved into 251 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,079 into Tool's tool's home home where where he he also also met 252 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,280 met Tool's tool's 10 10 year year old old niece. niece now I 253 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:52,040 did read she was either 10 or 11 in multiple sources Either way. 254 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,720 Either way, she's a baby. I I had had a a roommate 255 00:14:57,321 --> 00:14:59,320 roommate named named Freda Freda, she she was was Swedish 256 00:14:58,561 --> 00:15:02,000 Swedish. So Freda, I remember she was an 257 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,080 artist, right? Freda Hollow. 258 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Yeah. With the Unibrow, yes. 259 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,840 Anyway. Becky Becky. yeah Becky who had 260 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:17,320 a mild intellectual disability and she was also in juvenile 261 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,360 detention center at one point but she escaped so she escaped 262 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,840 from it and went to live with her uncle tool I see. 263 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,440 OK. According to Lucas, during this 264 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,760 time they engaged in a multi state killing spree in which 265 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,760 they targeted hitchhikers, sex workers and migrants. 266 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,960 So. Weird. 267 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,280 It really escalated. It really did. 268 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,120 It went from. It went from like, trying to 269 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,600 just deal like, please, like a sexual fantasy. 270 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Yeah, to that, yeah. It It went went crazy crazy. now 271 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,560 not long after did Henry and Becky become smitten and 272 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,760 sexually active which he talked her into it obviously they moved 273 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,120 to Florida no they moved from Florida to Texas to avoid child 274 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,520 welfare welfare Welfare. Welfare authorities. 275 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,760 He could work for an elderly woman named Kate Rich, so he 276 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,280 immediately found a job. Finding jobs wasn't. 277 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,600 Difficult for him. He He just just, he's he's like 278 00:16:29,488 --> 00:16:31,440 like I I could could. Do that speaks to people well 279 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,360 too, Yeah, even despite his upbringing, which we found with 280 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,640 multiple others. Well, he had a way of luring in 281 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:38,760 people. Yeah, right. 282 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,200 He talked a 10 year old into having a relationship with him. 283 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Right. Which I mean, honestly, that 284 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,480 wouldn't be that difficult since they're very like moldable. 285 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,560 Yeah, well, and she was. Also, she was also a juvenile. 286 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Yep, she's been rejected. Yep, so. 287 00:16:54,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Now when he worked for this elderly woman he found he was 288 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,040 found out cashing the woman's checks. 289 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,720 They were obviously kicked out and moved to a prayer house 290 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,960 which was a Pentecostal commune. The head of the group gave them 291 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,400 a shack to live in and a job as a roofer for Henry. 292 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:22,839 Now what I found so weird is the head of this commune. 293 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,720 Yeah. Was told that they were married. 294 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,480 So Henry and Becky were married and that's why they gave them 295 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,160 the shack. I see now. 296 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:40,120 How in the fuck did they just believe that this older dude. 297 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,280 Yeah. Is married to this child. 298 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Unless she's like mature looking or you know the couple of years 299 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,960 have really you can see it on. Her. 300 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,160 She's Rhode, hard put up wet type. 301 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,520 Yeah, maybe. Potentially. 302 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,080 And also, I mean, she's going to agree with that because, I mean, 303 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,640 she ultimately feels as if she is married to him. 304 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,920 Yeah. Which, yeah, that makes sense. 305 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,240 In 1982, Henry drove back to a field in Denton, TX. 306 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,160 He killed Becky. OK. 307 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,360 Dismembered her body. Oh, we added stuff to this. 308 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:16,200 And scattered pieces of her all over a field. 309 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,320 Just like she wanted. So with these murders, none of 310 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,520 them are the same. There's no rhyme. 311 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,120 There's no reason. There's it's he just wanted to 312 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,880 do. It it's that frontal lobe again 313 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,000 and no impulse control. And his temporal lobe. 314 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,320 That too, all his lobes. All the lobes. 315 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,920 Fuck his lobes. So after he killed Becky, he 316 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:47,720 went back to Kate Rich. So that elderly woman and she he 317 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,680 asked her to help him look for Becky. 318 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,520 OK, yeah, so that means he's probably gonna kill her and then 319 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,040 start taking her money. He did. 320 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,160 He killed Kate on a camping ground and stuffed her body into 321 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,960 a drainage pipe. That must have been a big 322 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960 drainage pipe. It was fairly large. 323 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,160 I'd I'd imagine. Now you're probably wondering 324 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,920 what happened to Otis. I was wondering. 325 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,240 That the uncle they left him obviously and allegedly he began 326 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,360 his own career as a serial killer. 327 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,320 Nice, yeah. They really did share an 328 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,960 interest. Yeah, they did the same thing. 329 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,920 They really. Bonded, but they had to go their 330 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,560 separate ways. They had to. 331 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,920 They said spread your wings and fly. 332 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Now his killing spree could be a whole nother. 333 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,040 Episode and it will be. Yeah. 334 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,920 So we'll go into that later. After drifting for a month, so 335 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,280 after he killed Becky and the elderly woman Kate Rich, he 336 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,440 returned to the House of prayer, where he spent his last days as 337 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,760 a as a free man. Upon learning that he was a 338 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,760 suspect in Rich's disappearance, he returned to the body. 339 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,440 He took it to the House of Prayer and incinerated it in a 340 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,480 stove. OK, so. 341 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,840 He's getting rid of the evidence. 342 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,560 Yeah, he is. He took a polygraph test and 343 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,400 passed it because obviously investigators, he was suspect #1 344 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,600 when it came to to Kate. Which I feel like I could pass a 345 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,280 polygraph test. You think so? 346 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,360 I feel like I could. I can calm myself down pretty 347 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,080 well. I don't think I could. 348 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,640 I think I'm a I'm I'm a perfect tell. 349 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,720 Yeah. Yeah, 100%. 350 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Now when he took it, he passed. Right. 351 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,600 But he is a psychopath. Correct. 352 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Which maybe I'm not. No, no you're not. 353 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,360 We were just crying. Yeah, we no you don't fit into 354 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:47,560 the 17 triangles we we have made. 17 sided triangle. 355 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,320 June 11th the following year, Lucas was arrested for illegal 356 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,080 firearm possession. Why are they gonna just keep 357 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,120 him? I don't know. 358 00:20:58,120 --> 00:20:59,560 That's where what? I don't know. 359 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,960 They bring him in and well, you can go now. 360 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,840 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. 361 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:09,440 I mean, I know the the laws were different then and it was it was 362 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,560 a different time, but what's? Wild is this was the 80s. 363 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,120 Right. That wasn't that long ago. 364 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,520 No, it wasn't that long ago, but still I don't know. 365 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Or maybe the crimes that he committed other places didn't 366 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,400 connect. Yeah, there was no way to 367 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,360 connect them, no, because they were both so different. 368 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,280 They were complete. They were completely separate 369 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,560 so. He was eventually charged with 370 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Riches and Becky's murders, but later claimed he had confessed 371 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,040 to them in order to escape the harsh treatment he endured from 372 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,360 the Texas Rangers. Like aw, what are you trying to 373 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:43,720 victimize? Yourself, that's exactly. 374 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,840 What it was like, I'm just going to come in and say yeah, it was. 375 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Even though I didn't do it. Yeah, because this is better 376 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,520 than their. Those Rangers are mean. 377 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,120 I had to get out of there. Bone fragments presumed to be 378 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,160 riches were found in a stove at the House of Prayer, and 379 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,600 skeletal remains of the same sex and appropriate age as Becky 380 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,440 were found in the field where Lucas claimed to have killed 381 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,160 her, though the coroner wouldn't positively identify them as who 382 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,200 they were claimed to be. Guess they couldn't figure that 383 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,200 out. OK. 384 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,200 But because of his admission. Yeah, he admitted that he told 385 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,240 them where they were and they. And he's like, no way. 386 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,560 But I didn't do. That I didn't do that. 387 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,000 I was just telling you guys. So he spent four days in jail. 388 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,480 4. Four. 389 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Well, hold on. OK, I'm waiting. 390 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,680 After he spent four days in jail, Lucas pleaded guilty to 391 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,200 the two murders in court and shocked everyone by claiming to 392 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,720 have committed over 100 additional murders. 393 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080 OK, so he's just letting it all hang out now. 394 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240 This is where shit gets weird. OK? 395 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,160 Over the following year and 1/2, he kept pouring out confessions 396 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:57,160 to hundreds of murders. A in quotes Lucas task force led 397 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,760 by the Texas Rangers to examine the validity of his crimes. 398 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,960 That word gets. Me validity vescosity. 399 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,000 In November, he was transferred to Williamson County, Texas, 400 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,680 where he confessed to 213 unsolved murders. 401 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,800 OK. I mean, that's a very precise 402 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,520 number. It's. 403 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,760 Just weird Because he's committing. 404 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,760 No, he's admitting to the murders that he did commit, and 405 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,080 then retracting and then admitting to hundreds of others. 406 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,280 His brain doesn't work. Right, It's not it's not OK 407 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,120 overtime Lucas just confessing to even more murders like he's 408 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,200 just he just. Keeps coming up. 409 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,360 Doesn't stop. Doesn't stop. 410 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,600 I wonder if they were all factual. 411 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,000 Yeah, I, I, I. Mean, I feel like there's no way 412 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,600 to know. There's no way that there's that 413 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,400 much evidence to be found. Authorities flew him across 414 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080 states where he was allowed stays in motels and served steak 415 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,960 and milkshakes. Oh, OK, cool. 416 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,880 Like, huh? I mean, why? 417 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,480 Why wouldn't he? Must be nice then. 418 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,960 That's why. That's why I would keep 419 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,040 confessing. Yes. 420 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,360 Be like, remember, there's this lady in France that got killed 421 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:06,840 too. Yeah. 422 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,160 Well, because there. They can't convict him yet 423 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,760 because they're still building a case. 424 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,440 Yeah, they don't want to like, cut him or like, sell themselves 425 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,160 short. Yeah, they want to make sure 426 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,440 they have every stone unturned. Yeah, I mean either. 427 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,640 Way you're going to get a life sentence, just cap it. 428 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Just go, yeah. But he he's not like that. 429 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,240 No. He's not like that. 430 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,000 He was frequently taken to restaurants and cafes, rarely 431 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,960 handcuffed, allowed to wander police stations and jails, and 432 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,720 he even knew the codes for security doors. 433 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,760 So they were just, like, safe. No, they were just like Willy 434 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,400 nilly. Yeah, whatever. 435 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,360 There you go. Yeah, you have the keys to the 436 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,080 Kingdom, right? Well, I think they were so 437 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,640 desperate to solve some of these cases that they were like, let's 438 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,920 just let him do anything he wants so that we can just keep 439 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,440 going because obviously he's helping with something. 440 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,240 Right. And he need, they need that 441 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000 information, Yeah. Later attempts at determining 442 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,600 Lucas involvement in his confessed crimes were 443 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,640 complicated when it was discovered he had been given 444 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,240 access to information in the files of cases he was confessing 445 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,000 to. So like he knew certain details 446 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 that only the killer would know. Exactly. 447 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,680 And so that's a, that's a mistrial or something. 448 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,680 Lucas claimed to have murdered people who died of suicide after 449 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,440 further investigations. Oh, nice. 450 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,160 Yeah, he's like, I did that. And you, I was I. 451 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,960 I am an apparition in your mind. I am. 452 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,680 Oh, he claimed to have committed additional murders in Japan and 453 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560 Spain, even though he. Never. 454 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:50,880 He never left the country. Oh my God, I like I'm he was. 455 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,160 Hitler, Remember the Holocaust? That was me. 456 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 The Holocaust is not ten. No it's not. 457 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,680 It's not at all. The bulk of Lucas report was 458 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:08,280 devoted to a detailed timeline of Lucas claimed murders. 459 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,320 The report compared his claims to reliable, verifiable sources 460 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,520 for his whereabouts. The results often contradicted 461 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:21,040 his confessions, thus casting doubt on his precipitation and 462 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320 condensation. His participate. 463 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,120 We're going to get there. We're going. 464 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:30,040 To get this word, participation in most of the crimes he had 465 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,960 confessed to. So they're like, dude, you 466 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,040 didn't do these. Investigators did not consider 467 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,520 that the apparently trivial comfort, such as steak dinners, 468 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,360 milkshakes and access to television in return for 469 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,480 confessions to crimes of extreme seriousness, might encourage 470 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,760 prisoners such as Lucas, who had little to lose, to make false 471 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,120 confessions. Absolutely. 472 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,440 If I was in that situation, I couldn't do it all. 473 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,680 I'd be like, I have 100 more, yeah, murders that I give. 474 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Me. The obituaries, yeah, I'm going 475 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,280 to tell you which ones I did put. 476 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,640 Me up in a hotel suite and I will. 477 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,200 I'll tell you all of them. I'll tell you everything. 478 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,680 Everything. In 1983, Lucas was transferred 479 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,520 to a jail in Williamson County, Texas. 480 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,080 He reported that he attempted suicide after receiving rough 481 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,640 treatment by the other inmates. Oh, poor baby. 482 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Oh no. He got rough treatment. 483 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,080 He claimed that police stripped him naked, denied him cigarettes 484 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,920 and bedding, held him in a cold cell, mutilated his genitalia. 485 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,080 Fascinating. And prevented him from 486 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,680 contacting an attorney. So they like, I mean, he went 487 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,800 from the last two things. He went from like being treated 488 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520 like royalty to absolute dog shit. 489 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,680 I mean I. Want to know what they did to 490 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,560 his genitalia? That would be nice to know. 491 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320 But like, good on them. Yeah, you know what I mean. 492 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,920 If it's true, which I I mean. If it's true, yeah, he. 493 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,240 Said this, right? Right. 494 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Did he give pictures of his genitalia? 495 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,960 I don't know, I couldn't find any. 496 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,280 And you looked Really. Hard. 497 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,760 I looked so hard. Later, while in jail, Lucas 498 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,240 wrote a letter to the sheriff. End Quote. 499 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,240 I have killed for the past 10 years and no one will believe 500 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,560 me. I cannot go on doing this. 501 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,680 I also killed the only girl I ever loved. 502 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,760 End Quote. The child. 503 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,880 Yeah, Lucas, the child bride. Yeah. 504 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,480 Right, the little fucking girl. Yeah, that was not. 505 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,560 His bride, the troubled, troubled girl who wasn't even. 506 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,560 That was groomed, yes, so. She was just a baby. 507 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,960 But that was the love of his life. 508 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Just a Bebe. Who are we to judge? 509 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,960 Lucas eventually admitted to stabbing Becky in the chest, 510 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,240 engaging in necrophilia with her corpse before he dismembered her 511 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,040 and decapitated her and scattered her body pieces. 512 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,920 That's a strange way to express your love. 513 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,680 Yes, I love you so much. I'm going to kill you, have sex 514 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,920 with your body, chop you up and yeah, take your head off and 515 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040 just scatter you everywhere. Because I love you so much. 516 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,200 He also said that he stabbed Kate Rich, so the elderly woman. 517 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,800 Took the chest. He stabbed her in the chest, 518 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,240 killing her, then carved an inverted cross on her chest, had 519 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,520 sex with her corpse before he stuffed her body into the 520 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,480 drainage pipe. It's interesting that he did the 521 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,560 the inverted cross just because I feel like the only reason 522 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,720 someone would do something like outside of their scope would be 523 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,160 to deter police. Yeah. 524 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280 And it doesn't seem like that was his real MO to begin with. 525 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,840 He just kind of killed people. He just like was entertained by 526 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,280 all of this. He enjoyed doing this. 527 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,160 It's. So weird to me that people even 528 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480 think of these things. Yeah, like, I mean, I can think 529 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,960 of some pretty sick things, but am I gonna do that? 530 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,000 No. Absolutely. 531 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640 Not no way. And I don't think that I would 532 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,920 be capable of doing it. No, no, not a chance. 533 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,520 Lucas was ultimately convicted of 11 homicides, including those 534 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320 of his mother, along with Powell and Rich. 535 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,960 Now these are the murders he was convicted of with undeniable 536 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,080 evidence. 26 year old school teacher Linda Jane Phillips 537 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,800 disappeared on August 8th of 1970 in Texas. 538 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,280 While returning from a party to her parents home in Kaufman 539 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:33,280 County, Texas, he mutilated. He mutilated her body and was 540 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,280 found on August 10th. She sustained 26 stab wounds and 541 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,040 had been sexually abused. Wow, that's. 542 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,000 A lot of stab. Wounds. 543 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,680 That's like crime of passion. Lucas confessed to the murder 544 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,880 and claimed he forced Phillips's car off the road at about 2:30 545 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,280 in the morning. Lucas then allegedly forced her 546 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,440 into his car at gunpoint, made her disrobe, which I don't know 547 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,480 why they chose that word, but undressed and then stabbed her 548 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,320 in the throat, chest and stomach. 549 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,120 Wow. The body of Patrolman Clemi 550 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,360 Everett Curtis, who was 30, was found on August 3rd of 1976 551 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,360 handcuffed near his patrol car in a wooded area just outside of 552 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,880 West Virginia. He had been shot through the 553 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,600 chest. Once Lucas confessed that he 554 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,080 had, he and Tool had killed Curtis. 555 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:30,080 So this was back when he was with his Otis, Yep, with his, 556 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,760 you know, shared sexual sadism. Best friend. 557 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:40,240 Yeah. BFF L BFF Forever Lily Pohl no 558 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,640 Lily Pearl, 18 years old, accepted a ride with Lucas on 559 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,160 November 11th, 1977 at a gas station in Harrison County and 560 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600 was later sexually assaulted and shot in the head. 561 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,720 Her decomposing body was found three weeks later in a wooded 562 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,600 area north of Texas. And there was no stabbing 563 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,800 involved in this. One No. 564 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,600 Interesting, right? Find it interesting that they 565 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,640 even did anything to that patrolman. 566 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,600 Yeah, like why? It doesn't make sense. 567 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,640 No, it, it doesn't make sense. And there's no, I mean, there's, 568 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,240 I couldn't find anything else. Explanation. 569 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,600 Next is 23 year old Deborah Louise Jackson, informally known 570 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,720 as Orange Socks because she was so unidentified that they had, 571 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,800 yeah, they didn't know what her name was, who she was. 572 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,840 She was believed to have been murdered October 30th or 31st in 573 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,960 1979 in Texas. Orange Socks is fitting. 574 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,240 Her body was found naked except for the pair of orange socks 575 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,760 from which obviously the nickname was derived. 576 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,680 She had been strangled and was believed to have been only dead 577 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,480 for hours before her discovery. OK, so they found her like 578 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,560 really quick I guess. I mean, that would be ideal for 579 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,560 trying to find the perpetrator also, but clearly that didn't 580 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,440 happen. Right on April 26th of 1981, 581 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,960 Lucas allegedly broke into the apartment of 17 year old 582 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:13,640 babysitter Diana Len Bryant in Texas with the intent intent 583 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,520 sorry of robbing it then took a knife he carried to cut the cord 584 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,120 on a vacuum cleaner, using it to strangle Bryant. 585 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,320 Diana's father was satisfied with Lucas's confession and the 586 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,880 case was closed. Oh, interesting. 587 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,320 Yeah. Also, breaking into a home is 588 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,040 interesting. As well, it's not like his MO. 589 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,080 No, it's not. Yeah. 590 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,480 And I mean, robbery wasn't really. 591 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,200 It wasn't necessary. I mean, he there was financial 592 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,000 gain. Hunting. 593 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,880 Gathering. Yeah, right, right. 594 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,120 But still. No. 595 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,320 And it's weird because all like the ages, the genders, yeah, you 596 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,960 know, it just it was hard to connect these. 597 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,280 Yeah, and that's why none of these things really came out 598 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,880 until trial. OK. 599 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,120 Glenda Faye Biggers, 65, was found by a neighbor on December 600 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,239 20th of 1982. A butcher knife had been thrust 601 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,159 into her stomach and a fork into her throat. 602 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,840 According to Lucas, he broke into her home, killed her and 603 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,760 then stole 180 dollars. OK, so there was. 604 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,159 OK, so there was a spree. Of of yeah, he's still he's 605 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,679 probably he's not working. Yeah, so he did have to. 606 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,920 He had to do what he had to do, I guess. 607 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,080 Yeah. Laura Marie purchased, 26, was 608 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,639 was discovered on March 17th of 1983 dead in a burning wooded 609 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:48,400 area near League Line Rd. in Montgomery County, Texas. 610 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,080 She had been reported missing from Houston on March 5th. 611 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,160 An autopsy discovered, I'm sorry, determined that she had 612 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,120 been sexually assaulted and strangled in 2008. 613 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,640 DNA tested. DNA testing. 614 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,120 God, I can't talk today. It's OK. 615 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,760 Ruled Lucas out as a suspect and purchased his case in 2021 616 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,760 another man was charged with her murder Oh yeah, so. 617 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,120 But back in the day, this was one of the cases that. 618 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640 He confessed to. He confessed to that he didn't 619 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,680 actually do. Right. 620 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,360 They thought they had that, so they charged him on it and it 621 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080 was eventually brought to trial and he was convicted of the 622 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,120 murder. Oh wow, so there was a whole 623 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,920 nother offender out. Yes. 624 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:42,760 Dang yes and last one is on April 16th of 1983, sixteen year 625 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,120 old Laura Jean Donnez skipped school in Houston but was never 626 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,920 seen again. On April 18th, 1983, an oil 627 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,960 field worker spotted a fire burning in a wooded area near 628 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,320 Logging Rd. in Montgomery County, Texas. 629 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:05,520 She had been strangled, raped, beaten on the head and her body 630 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,680 burned after death. Oh wow. 631 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,680 Lucas confessed to her murder and was able to lead police to 632 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,000 where her body was discovered. So all of those. 633 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,520 I mean he could have known where it was based off of. 634 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,120 Off of looking at the files that he had access to, apparently, 635 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,320 but they were like, OK, you want to admit to it, we're going to 636 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,840 fucking charge you for it. I mean he deserved like. 637 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,320 He was going to get out. He. 638 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,400 Deserved to be charged. Yeah, he did commit horrible, 639 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,480 heinous, heinous crime. I just hate that he took 640 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040 responsibility for ones that he didn't commit. 641 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,280 Me too. Because that I mean that. 642 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,040 Leaves. Yeah, well, that murder is 643 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,800 dangerous. They're still not justified. 644 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,440 There's no justice for that person, which is fucked. 645 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,560 Lucas was sentenced to death, but the sentence was commuted to 646 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,440 life imprisonment in 1998 by then Governor George W Bush. 647 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,840 The only death sentence he commuted was in his time as a 648 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,320 governor was Lucas's case, which I think is really bizarre. 649 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,920 That is wild. On March 12 of 2001 at 11:00 PM, 650 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,800 Lucas was found dead in prison from congestive heart failure at 651 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,520 64. So I don't. 652 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,960 I couldn't find why his case was commuted. 653 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,720 Yeah, and why he was the only one in Texas. 654 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,240 Yeah, to have that happen, considering how bad his offenses 655 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:34,560 were, yeah. What are you doing? 656 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,680 Bush very. Odd. 657 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,120 What are you doing? Buddies. 658 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,720 Maybe George Bush knows him. Oh yeah, they could have been 659 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:40,760 friends. Maybe they went to school 660 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,280 together. Maybe he killed the other ones. 661 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,240 He took responsibility. For but we're not accusing a 662 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:53,560 former president no murder and yes, now on of more than 3000 663 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,680 murder cases in which he was a suspect, police believed more 664 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,480 than 200 cases were committed by him. 665 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,400 How many? 200. 666 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,240 That's many. That's. 667 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,320 Way a lot. That's that's a big number. 668 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,760 That's too many, I feel. That's a big a lot number. 669 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,200 However, he remained publicized as America's most prolific 670 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,440 serial killer, despite denials such as he would say, I am not a 671 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,600 serial killer. But he admitted there's so many 672 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,080 crimes. Like a shit ton of murders. 673 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,960 Like come on, pick. But I'm not a serial killer. 674 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,360 No, I'm not. I just killed a lot of people. 675 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,320 But it wasn't in a serial way. It was not. 676 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,240 It was an accident. It was self-defense. 677 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,840 I didn't mean it, Bush told me to. 678 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,880 Some continue to believe, nonetheless, that Lucas was 679 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,320 responsible for a massive number of killings. 680 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,160 Yeah. I mean, there's no denying that. 681 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,200 No, no, no, he he was a mofo. Yeah, and he was definitely a 682 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000 serial killer 100. Percent, Like what are you 683 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,600 doing? Yeah. 684 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,040 Like who are you trying to who? Trying to fool here. 685 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,520 Yeah, I'm. Going to figure out what the 686 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,920 last word was, so thank you for that. 687 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:10,920 Who are you trying to like? You did it dude. 688 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,960 You got caught Red handy. I'm assuming he's dead now. 689 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,480 Probably. I just said he was. 690 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,560 Dead. Did you really? 691 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,080 I don't listen. That's not my point. 692 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,960 Yeah. He died on March 12, 2001. 693 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160 He was found dead in prison. He had congestive heart. 694 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,240 Failure at 64. I'm thinking of what you're 695 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,760 putting down. I'm hearing, I'm hearing the 696 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,360 dots. I even have where he was buried. 697 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,120 He was buried at Captain Joe Bird Cemetery in Huntsville, TX. 698 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,440 Oh, interesting. So. 699 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,920 Anybody that lives in Huntsville wants to go see Lucas's burial 700 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,760 ground. Yeah, Go there, take a picture, 701 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,600 send it to us. And hashtag, super color, 702 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,600 hashtag crime hashtag. Don't know? 703 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,640 Tag us, Take a selfie. Pee on him. 704 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,200 No understand. Yeah, I just thought this case 705 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,960 was so weird. I mean, I had seen him before 706 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,720 and like, I know that his case was popular, yeah, or well 707 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,920 known, but there was a lot of details that I wasn't aware of. 708 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,880 I've heard of him, but I didn't know all of this. 709 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,480 Stuff. Yeah, at all, yeah. 710 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,680 I mean, I'd seen there is footage of him being questioned, 711 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,000 like interrogated, Yeah. And he's just there smoking a 712 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,560 cigarette saying, Yep, I did that. 713 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,440 I did that one. I missed that time. 714 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880 I feel like smoking cigarettes in interrogation rooms. 715 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,960 It's classic. It's. 716 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040 Yeah, I don't know why they stopped it. 717 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,800 It's. Like the vibe? 718 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,880 Ventilation. Yeah. 719 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,880 Makes sense. Yeah. 720 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,240 Like you need to have a cigarette. 721 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,960 Yeah. An interrogation room, right. 722 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,440 Otherwise, what are you doing? Well, I think maybe sometimes 723 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,120 they do. They didn't. 724 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,480 If he's like, I have information. 725 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,520 But I need. I need a cigarette. 726 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,280 A camel crush, Yeah, because I like to have options of menthol 727 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,120 or super menthol when I'm confessing. 728 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480 Oh my God, yeah. I mean, give him a cigarette. 729 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520 FBI bring it back, bring it back. 730 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,120 I think it would be so productive, honest I feel like. 731 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,240 It would be too like you would. There's just a home in your 732 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,200 vibe, yeah. You know, but what if they were 733 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160 like, chilling? Give me some crack and I'll tell 734 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,040 you. They probably wouldn't, I'll 735 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520 tell you that. They're like, all right, Brian, 736 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,880 go back to the evidence locker. We need some crack here. 737 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680 You'd get everything confessed in about four minutes. 738 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,280 So much would. Be a full timeline from his 739 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,520 birth to now. He'd tell you why he did it, how 740 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,040 he did it. It was with the trauma that 741 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,320 caused him to do. It the number of hair follicles 742 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,320 that was on his hand standing up while he was doing it. 743 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,040 Oh God. All of it. 744 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,840 Anyways, so that's that's that. Yeah. 745 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,800 All right. Well, what? 746 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,840 A good time. All the little criminals out 747 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480 there, thank you. With coffee Creamer. 748 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,800 We're too much. Here we are. 749 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,120 All right, Well, stay safe. And and remember. 750 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,880 We didn't do it.