I'm Aaron. And I'm Dana.
And this is Crimes we didn't commit.
OK, here we go. Are we here now?
We are here after crying. Together, we just cried.
We had a good cry. We did, and I felt like it felt
nice. Yeah.
I cried on the way here already. So.
As soon as I woke up, I cried. Yeah, we just, I, we just needed
it. We're healthy.
Yeah, we're happy. I swear I.
Promise you life is going great, yeah.
You just have so many tears. So many feelings.
Yeah, Yeah I I feel feel like like we we talked talked about
about in in the the last last episode episode about about
crying crying all all the the time. time we did I think this
Is. I think that was our first.
With crime. Crying.
We didn't commit. We didn't commit them while
crying. That's OK, It doesn't matter.
I woke up early today. You did.
I was surprised when you texted me the picture of the gym.
Yep, I was like, I'm going back. So I saw you walking away, but
you were walking on the sidewalk, so I didn't want to.
Oh yeah. Walk that way because.
She wanted to do like this video of about leg day.
She found a pothole and she was like, you have to walk towards
the pothole and fall on it because your ass is like so
fast. Yeah, like that.
Yeah, love that. Yeah, she didn't ask me.
I mean, I was just, I want to be there.
I wasn't there. Yeah.
That was all. But I like her.
I do like her. She's really cool.
I forget her name. Rachel.
Rachel.
Listening, we love you. I'm looking forward to is it
going to be a 2 parter or is it just going to be like a one
honestly one long one it. Could be A2 parter, yeah, we'll
kind of see how far we can get in the timing because it's.
If we're pushing an hour 30. Yeah, Yeah we'll. we'll We
might. We'll do it before you're done.
Yeah, yeah. The the research on this case.
So this case is sort of well known.
Yeah, yeah, he's a real son of a bitch.
So Lucas was born on August 23rd, 1936 in a one room log
cabin in Blacksburg, VA. OK.
Yeah, so he he had three siblings.
No, no electricity. No air conditioning.
No thing. Yeah, I know.
It's cheap. So yeah.
I mean, there was. He didn't have three siblings.
He had nine. OK, we're three.
My bad. Yeah, 3 personalities.
I mean, really. So his mother, her name is
Viola. Oh, that's fun.
She was a member of the Chippewee tribe, OK.
She was also an alcoholic and a prostitute.
Nice. Yeah, I mean, you do it, she
got. To To I I mean, mean she she
ruled ruled the the household. household yeah she was a one she
Was a hustler. Yeah.
And she I would want to drink too.
Of kids, lots of kids. You got to stay warm.
Yeah, Henry. Yeah, Henry was the youngest of
the nine children. That's a lot of motherfucking
kids. Yeah, his dad was a double,
double amputee who lost his legs in a freight train accident and
was nicknamed No Legs. So So, so so novel novel. yeah
so catchy I would hate to have my legs amputee I if I had to
lose my arms or my legs I'd lose my arms Yeah, I think so.
What about one leg and one arm? That's fine.
Yeah, I'd rather do that to stay like symmetric.
Oh, wait, no, I lied. I'm thinking the other way
around. I would lather, I would lather,
I would lather my legs. I would rather lose my legs just
because all of the I talked about this with somebody, all
the mechanics and like all of the, you know, fun, fun leg
things that they have out. The prosthetic, all the
prostitutes can carry you around.
So his dad was characterized as his his wife's pimp.
Oh, OK, so he was Viola's pimp. OK, but also her husband.
Yes, nice. And a father.
Yeah, it's very strangely. A son.
His mom would sometimes force Lucas and her husband watch her
have sex with her clients, Lucas said.
I just couldn't stand there and watch.
I had to turn my back and walk out of the house.
And after I did that, she beat me 'cause I didn't watch.
When Henry was 8, he was beaten by his mother on the head with a
wooden plank, which caused him to spend 3 days in a coma.
Maybe that's the other part of the triangle head injury.
Maybe I feel like it's head injury, bed wetting, abusing
animals. And watching your mother have
sex with multiple men. Yes, it's a four sided triangle.
Lucas developed an infection in his left eye at 1:10 of his
brothers struck him with a knife.
He really had a bad upbringing. His mother ignored the injury
for several days until a teacher swiped him over his eye with a
steel tipped ruler and the eyeball bursts and had to be
surgically removed. Oh my, yeah, that must have been
incredibly painful then, prior to getting struck with that
ruler. Can you imagine the teacher?
Just Just like like. Like oh fuck, that's never
happened before. He could have gotten like blood
poisoning and stuff like that. Many, Many so so many many
things. things His body is not good.
And you know that ruler wasn't clean.
Oh, absolutely not. Yeah Yeah.
But tetanus? Both of these traumas to Lucas's
head have led examining medical experts to conclude that these
caused brain damage. Later evidence with CT scans
showing small abnormalities in the frontal lobes, temporal
lobes and in the parts of his brain that are related to
emotional control, while other medical examiners have concluded
that problems with his corpus callosum played a role in his
aberrant behavior and personality.
OK, so that frontal lobe, I know that's like making decisions,
impulse control and all of that stuff.
And then the emotional 1 is like the amygdala.
Good Good job job. That I think.
What about the Abdullah Oblongata?
The medulla oblongata. Is Is that's that's like like
the the back back at at the the head head I I feel. feel Sure,
Sure there's there's also also anyways anyways Epicampus.
epicampus That wasn't affected, so his mother would also make
him cross dress in public so she could later pimp him out to both
men and women. Wow.
Yeah. What was happening with the
other siblings I I wonder? I don't, I don't know.
I don't know. I couldn't find anything on
that. That's so strange.
Eventually, Lucas's school teachers complained about the
cross dressing and a court order put it to an end.
OK. Yeah, it stopped.
Yeah, that's good. Lucas was also frequently
bullied as a child and later cited the mass rejection by his
peers as a cause for his misanthropy.
This is what Lucas states about his childhood.
I hated all my life. I hated everybody.
When I first grew up and can remember, I was dressed as a
girl by my mother and I stayed that way for two or three years
and after that I was treated like what I call the dog of the
family. I was beaten.
I was made to do things that no human being would want to do.
Wow, poor guy, that. Sucks 'cause he's a kid.
He's just a child, he. Didn't do anything no to deserve
that. So he got really fucked up by
his parents. Really did.
That sucks. For small him, yeah.
Poor guy, but fuck him. Wait till you hear more.
His father died of pneumonia after spending the night outside
in the cold. Why'd Why'd he he stay stay out
out there? there I guess his wheelchair
just got stuck. Henry dropped out of school in
the 6th grade and ran away from home drifting around Virginia.
Which, good on him, right? That's get out of there.
My yeah, exactly. Like he actually took his life
into his hands I guess. Yeah, I mean, what could be
worse? You know?
Exactly. Now, he did start an incestuous
relationship with his half brother, OK, and started
engaging in bestiality, capturing small animals and
performing sexual acts on them before killing them.
OK, so things got really weird. Really like.
That other guy, yeah. Exactly.
Like Cannibal man. Maybe that's part of the
triangle? Yeah, this triangle has a lot of
sides. So many sides.
In 1951, Henry So Henry's 14 at this time, his first victim
named Laura Burnsley. She was 17 years old.
Henry picked her up from a bus stop, couldn't find how he lured
her in or anything like that. Yeah.
She refused his sexual advances and resisted an unsuccessful
rape attempt. He killed her and buried her
body in a secluded wooded area near Harrisburg, Virginia.
That's at 14 years of. Age 14 years old.
So that was his first victim. He killed someone at 14 years
old. And he knew it was wrong, yes,
because he went ahead and and buried her in a secluded area,
no less. Yeah.
Yep, this is what Henry said about the murder.
It scared me a bit, Lucas said. Because the first girl I killed
was when I was 14 years old. I wanted to try the sex I'd been
watching. I got to playing too rough with
her, the pressure of seeing my mom hit me and my emotions more
or less took over and I couldn't quite handle it now.
As with most of his confessions, Lucas later retracted this
claim, but Burnsley was never found.
Hmm, really strange. Yeah, I feel like he did it.
Yeah, of course he didn't. In the next year, so 1952, Lucas
received his first prison sentence when he and two of his
half brothers were arrested for burglary.
He spent a year at a school for juvenile delinquents in
Beaumont. But he enjoyed it because it had
electricity, running water. It was luxurious compared to the
log cabin. He grew up in.
He was like, wait a minute. Anything was better than that.
I flipped the switch and let there be light.
In June of 1954, he was sentenced to six years
incarceration for a dozen counts of burglary and was released on
September 2nd of 1959. A dozen counts is a lot of
counts. Yeah, and he tried to escape.
Twice. Oh wow.
Yeah, isn't that crazy? That is wild that they let him
out. Yeah, that he tried to escape
and then they also released him. Yeah, five years later.
So he had a six year sentence. Yeah, Was it for good behavior?
Tried to escape and they let him out in 5.
And they shouldn't have because he immediately committed murder
again. Oh God.
He moved to his sister's place in Michigan, but his mom soon
caught up with him. She wanted him to come back to
take care of her. They got into an argument that
resulted in her death when he yeah, when he stabbed her in the
neck, which caused her to have a fatal heart attack.
Oh, that's interesting. How that?
Worked out, I know that's what I said.
So So I I mean mean, I I guess guess he he didn't didn't commit
commit murder murder then then. Well, he claimed.
In that sense. He claimed it was self-defense.
He was found guilty of second degree murder and was sentenced
to 20 to 40 years in prison. And he got out in three days.
Well, he was released in 1970 due to overcrowding and he only
served 10 years. Oh Oh nice nice.
So you were right on the money. In 1971, he was then sentenced
again for three years because he attempted to abduct a 15 year
old girl at gunpoint. You You shouldn't shouldn't. you
probably shouldn't get let out Yeah, I know.
I mean, he was institutionalized, right?
He went from a log cabin to committing a crime, killed
someone, went to prison, killed someone, went to prison, tried
to kill someone, and. We're about to find out We're.
About to find out what's about to happen he.
In 1975, after being released, he moved to Pennsylvania where
he worked on a mushroom farm and this is where he met his soon to
be wife, Betty Crawford I. Thought you were going to say
Betty Crocker. She was a widow of one of his
cousins, so like, he knew. Her.
Yeah she left him after she accused him of molesting her two
daughters OK, yeah, I'd leave too.
Yeah, Henry stated, drifting around the southern United
States, supporting himself through odd jobs and by his own
account, began a series of murders and raping women.
In 1978, he met a man named Otis Toole.
He was a fellow sexual deviant from Florida.
Nice they met Florida. They met at a soup kitchen, no
cool, and they struck up a friendship.
Just a little. A little soup kitchen.
Yeah, Brotherhood. It's giving Leonard Lake and.
Charles. Henry Henry moved moved into
into Tool's tool's home home where where he he also also met
met Tool's tool's 10 10 year year old old niece. niece now I
did read she was either 10 or 11 in multiple sources Either way.
Either way, she's a baby. I I had had a a roommate
roommate named named Freda Freda, she she was was Swedish
Swedish. So Freda, I remember she was an
artist, right? Freda Hollow.
Yeah. With the Unibrow, yes.
Anyway. Becky Becky. yeah Becky who had
a mild intellectual disability and she was also in juvenile
detention center at one point but she escaped so she escaped
from it and went to live with her uncle tool I see.
OK. According to Lucas, during this
time they engaged in a multi state killing spree in which
they targeted hitchhikers, sex workers and migrants.
So. Weird.
It really escalated. It really did.
It went from. It went from like, trying to
just deal like, please, like a sexual fantasy.
Yeah, to that, yeah. It It went went crazy crazy. now
not long after did Henry and Becky become smitten and
sexually active which he talked her into it obviously they moved
to Florida no they moved from Florida to Texas to avoid child
welfare welfare Welfare. Welfare authorities.
He could work for an elderly woman named Kate Rich, so he
immediately found a job. Finding jobs wasn't.
Difficult for him. He He just just, he's he's like
like I I could could. Do that speaks to people well
too, Yeah, even despite his upbringing, which we found with
multiple others. Well, he had a way of luring in
people. Yeah, right.
He talked a 10 year old into having a relationship with him.
Right. Which I mean, honestly, that
wouldn't be that difficult since they're very like moldable.
Yeah, well, and she was. Also, she was also a juvenile.
Yep, she's been rejected. Yep, so.
Now when he worked for this elderly woman he found he was
found out cashing the woman's checks.
They were obviously kicked out and moved to a prayer house
which was a Pentecostal commune. The head of the group gave them
a shack to live in and a job as a roofer for Henry.
Now what I found so weird is the head of this commune.
Yeah. Was told that they were married.
So Henry and Becky were married and that's why they gave them
the shack. I see now.
How in the fuck did they just believe that this older dude.
Yeah. Is married to this child.
Unless she's like mature looking or you know the couple of years
have really you can see it on. Her.
She's Rhode, hard put up wet type.
Yeah, maybe. Potentially.
And also, I mean, she's going to agree with that because, I mean,
she ultimately feels as if she is married to him.
Yeah. Which, yeah, that makes sense.
In 1982, Henry drove back to a field in Denton, TX.
He killed Becky. OK.
Dismembered her body. Oh, we added stuff to this.
And scattered pieces of her all over a field.
Just like she wanted. So with these murders, none of
them are the same. There's no rhyme.
There's no reason. There's it's he just wanted to
do. It it's that frontal lobe again
and no impulse control. And his temporal lobe.
That too, all his lobes. All the lobes.
Fuck his lobes. So after he killed Becky, he
went back to Kate Rich. So that elderly woman and she he
asked her to help him look for Becky.
OK, yeah, so that means he's probably gonna kill her and then
start taking her money. He did.
He killed Kate on a camping ground and stuffed her body into
a drainage pipe. That must have been a big
drainage pipe. It was fairly large.
I'd I'd imagine. Now you're probably wondering
what happened to Otis. I was wondering.
That the uncle they left him obviously and allegedly he began
his own career as a serial killer.
Nice, yeah. They really did share an
interest. Yeah, they did the same thing.
They really. Bonded, but they had to go their
separate ways. They had to.
They said spread your wings and fly.
Now his killing spree could be a whole nother.
Episode and it will be. Yeah.
So we'll go into that later. After drifting for a month, so
after he killed Becky and the elderly woman Kate Rich, he
returned to the House of prayer, where he spent his last days as
a as a free man. Upon learning that he was a
suspect in Rich's disappearance, he returned to the body.
He took it to the House of Prayer and incinerated it in a
stove. OK, so.
He's getting rid of the evidence.
Yeah, he is. He took a polygraph test and
passed it because obviously investigators, he was suspect #1
when it came to to Kate. Which I feel like I could pass a
polygraph test. You think so?
I feel like I could. I can calm myself down pretty
well. I don't think I could.
I think I'm a I'm I'm a perfect tell.
Yeah. Yeah, 100%.
Now when he took it, he passed. Right.
But he is a psychopath. Correct.
Which maybe I'm not. No, no you're not.
We were just crying. Yeah, we no you don't fit into
the 17 triangles we we have made. 17 sided triangle.
June 11th the following year, Lucas was arrested for illegal
firearm possession. Why are they gonna just keep
him? I don't know.
That's where what? I don't know.
They bring him in and well, you can go now.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me.
I mean, I know the the laws were different then and it was it was
a different time, but what's? Wild is this was the 80s.
Right. That wasn't that long ago.
No, it wasn't that long ago, but still I don't know.
Or maybe the crimes that he committed other places didn't
connect. Yeah, there was no way to
connect them, no, because they were both so different.
They were complete. They were completely separate
so. He was eventually charged with
Riches and Becky's murders, but later claimed he had confessed
to them in order to escape the harsh treatment he endured from
the Texas Rangers. Like aw, what are you trying to
victimize? Yourself, that's exactly.
What it was like, I'm just going to come in and say yeah, it was.
Even though I didn't do it. Yeah, because this is better
than their. Those Rangers are mean.
I had to get out of there. Bone fragments presumed to be
riches were found in a stove at the House of Prayer, and
skeletal remains of the same sex and appropriate age as Becky
were found in the field where Lucas claimed to have killed
her, though the coroner wouldn't positively identify them as who
they were claimed to be. Guess they couldn't figure that
out. OK.
But because of his admission. Yeah, he admitted that he told
them where they were and they. And he's like, no way.
But I didn't do. That I didn't do that.
I was just telling you guys. So he spent four days in jail.
4. Four.
Well, hold on. OK, I'm waiting.
After he spent four days in jail, Lucas pleaded guilty to
the two murders in court and shocked everyone by claiming to
have committed over 100 additional murders.
OK, so he's just letting it all hang out now.
This is where shit gets weird. OK?
Over the following year and 1/2, he kept pouring out confessions
to hundreds of murders. A in quotes Lucas task force led
by the Texas Rangers to examine the validity of his crimes.
That word gets. Me validity vescosity.
In November, he was transferred to Williamson County, Texas,
where he confessed to 213 unsolved murders.
OK. I mean, that's a very precise
number. It's.
Just weird Because he's committing.
No, he's admitting to the murders that he did commit, and
then retracting and then admitting to hundreds of others.
His brain doesn't work. Right, It's not it's not OK
overtime Lucas just confessing to even more murders like he's
just he just. Keeps coming up.
Doesn't stop. Doesn't stop.
I wonder if they were all factual.
Yeah, I, I, I. Mean, I feel like there's no way
to know. There's no way that there's that
much evidence to be found. Authorities flew him across
states where he was allowed stays in motels and served steak
and milkshakes. Oh, OK, cool.
Like, huh? I mean, why?
Why wouldn't he? Must be nice then.
That's why. That's why I would keep
confessing. Yes.
Be like, remember, there's this lady in France that got killed
too. Yeah.
Well, because there. They can't convict him yet
because they're still building a case.
Yeah, they don't want to like, cut him or like, sell themselves
short. Yeah, they want to make sure
they have every stone unturned. Yeah, I mean either.
Way you're going to get a life sentence, just cap it.
Just go, yeah. But he he's not like that.
No. He's not like that.
He was frequently taken to restaurants and cafes, rarely
handcuffed, allowed to wander police stations and jails, and
he even knew the codes for security doors.
So they were just, like, safe. No, they were just like Willy
nilly. Yeah, whatever.
There you go. Yeah, you have the keys to the
Kingdom, right? Well, I think they were so
desperate to solve some of these cases that they were like, let's
just let him do anything he wants so that we can just keep
going because obviously he's helping with something.
Right. And he need, they need that
information, Yeah. Later attempts at determining
Lucas involvement in his confessed crimes were
complicated when it was discovered he had been given
access to information in the files of cases he was confessing
to. So like he knew certain details
that only the killer would know. Exactly.
And so that's a, that's a mistrial or something.
Lucas claimed to have murdered people who died of suicide after
further investigations. Oh, nice.
Yeah, he's like, I did that. And you, I was I.
I am an apparition in your mind. I am.
Oh, he claimed to have committed additional murders in Japan and
Spain, even though he. Never.
He never left the country. Oh my God, I like I'm he was.
Hitler, Remember the Holocaust? That was me.
The Holocaust is not ten. No it's not.
It's not at all. The bulk of Lucas report was
devoted to a detailed timeline of Lucas claimed murders.
The report compared his claims to reliable, verifiable sources
for his whereabouts. The results often contradicted
his confessions, thus casting doubt on his precipitation and
condensation. His participate.
We're going to get there. We're going.
To get this word, participation in most of the crimes he had
confessed to. So they're like, dude, you
didn't do these. Investigators did not consider
that the apparently trivial comfort, such as steak dinners,
milkshakes and access to television in return for
confessions to crimes of extreme seriousness, might encourage
prisoners such as Lucas, who had little to lose, to make false
confessions. Absolutely.
If I was in that situation, I couldn't do it all.
I'd be like, I have 100 more, yeah, murders that I give.
Me. The obituaries, yeah, I'm going
to tell you which ones I did put.
Me up in a hotel suite and I will.
I'll tell you all of them. I'll tell you everything.
Everything. In 1983, Lucas was transferred
to a jail in Williamson County, Texas.
He reported that he attempted suicide after receiving rough
treatment by the other inmates. Oh, poor baby.
Oh no. He got rough treatment.
He claimed that police stripped him naked, denied him cigarettes
and bedding, held him in a cold cell, mutilated his genitalia.
Fascinating. And prevented him from
contacting an attorney. So they like, I mean, he went
from the last two things. He went from like being treated
like royalty to absolute dog shit.
I mean I. Want to know what they did to
his genitalia? That would be nice to know.
But like, good on them. Yeah, you know what I mean.
If it's true, which I I mean. If it's true, yeah, he.
Said this, right? Right.
Did he give pictures of his genitalia?
I don't know, I couldn't find any.
And you looked Really. Hard.
I looked so hard. Later, while in jail, Lucas
wrote a letter to the sheriff. End Quote.
I have killed for the past 10 years and no one will believe
me. I cannot go on doing this.
I also killed the only girl I ever loved.
End Quote. The child.
Yeah, Lucas, the child bride. Yeah.
Right, the little fucking girl. Yeah, that was not.
His bride, the troubled, troubled girl who wasn't even.
That was groomed, yes, so. She was just a baby.
But that was the love of his life.
Just a Bebe. Who are we to judge?
Lucas eventually admitted to stabbing Becky in the chest,
engaging in necrophilia with her corpse before he dismembered her
and decapitated her and scattered her body pieces.
That's a strange way to express your love.
Yes, I love you so much. I'm going to kill you, have sex
with your body, chop you up and yeah, take your head off and
just scatter you everywhere. Because I love you so much.
He also said that he stabbed Kate Rich, so the elderly woman.
Took the chest. He stabbed her in the chest,
killing her, then carved an inverted cross on her chest, had
sex with her corpse before he stuffed her body into the
drainage pipe. It's interesting that he did the
the inverted cross just because I feel like the only reason
someone would do something like outside of their scope would be
to deter police. Yeah.
And it doesn't seem like that was his real MO to begin with.
He just kind of killed people. He just like was entertained by
all of this. He enjoyed doing this.
It's. So weird to me that people even
think of these things. Yeah, like, I mean, I can think
of some pretty sick things, but am I gonna do that?
No. Absolutely.
Not no way. And I don't think that I would
be capable of doing it. No, no, not a chance.
Lucas was ultimately convicted of 11 homicides, including those
of his mother, along with Powell and Rich.
Now these are the murders he was convicted of with undeniable
evidence. 26 year old school teacher Linda Jane Phillips
disappeared on August 8th of 1970 in Texas.
While returning from a party to her parents home in Kaufman
County, Texas, he mutilated. He mutilated her body and was
found on August 10th. She sustained 26 stab wounds and
had been sexually abused. Wow, that's.
A lot of stab. Wounds.
That's like crime of passion. Lucas confessed to the murder
and claimed he forced Phillips's car off the road at about 2:30
in the morning. Lucas then allegedly forced her
into his car at gunpoint, made her disrobe, which I don't know
why they chose that word, but undressed and then stabbed her
in the throat, chest and stomach.
Wow. The body of Patrolman Clemi
Everett Curtis, who was 30, was found on August 3rd of 1976
handcuffed near his patrol car in a wooded area just outside of
West Virginia. He had been shot through the
chest. Once Lucas confessed that he
had, he and Tool had killed Curtis.
So this was back when he was with his Otis, Yep, with his,
you know, shared sexual sadism. Best friend.
Yeah. BFF L BFF Forever Lily Pohl no
Lily Pearl, 18 years old, accepted a ride with Lucas on
November 11th, 1977 at a gas station in Harrison County and
was later sexually assaulted and shot in the head.
Her decomposing body was found three weeks later in a wooded
area north of Texas. And there was no stabbing
involved in this. One No.
Interesting, right? Find it interesting that they
even did anything to that patrolman.
Yeah, like why? It doesn't make sense.
No, it, it doesn't make sense. And there's no, I mean, there's,
I couldn't find anything else. Explanation.
Next is 23 year old Deborah Louise Jackson, informally known
as Orange Socks because she was so unidentified that they had,
yeah, they didn't know what her name was, who she was.
She was believed to have been murdered October 30th or 31st in
1979 in Texas. Orange Socks is fitting.
Her body was found naked except for the pair of orange socks
from which obviously the nickname was derived.
She had been strangled and was believed to have been only dead
for hours before her discovery. OK, so they found her like
really quick I guess. I mean, that would be ideal for
trying to find the perpetrator also, but clearly that didn't
happen. Right on April 26th of 1981,
Lucas allegedly broke into the apartment of 17 year old
babysitter Diana Len Bryant in Texas with the intent intent
sorry of robbing it then took a knife he carried to cut the cord
on a vacuum cleaner, using it to strangle Bryant.
Diana's father was satisfied with Lucas's confession and the
case was closed. Oh, interesting.
Yeah. Also, breaking into a home is
interesting. As well, it's not like his MO.
No, it's not. Yeah.
And I mean, robbery wasn't really.
It wasn't necessary. I mean, he there was financial
gain. Hunting.
Gathering. Yeah, right, right.
But still. No.
And it's weird because all like the ages, the genders, yeah, you
know, it just it was hard to connect these.
Yeah, and that's why none of these things really came out
until trial. OK.
Glenda Faye Biggers, 65, was found by a neighbor on December
20th of 1982. A butcher knife had been thrust
into her stomach and a fork into her throat.
According to Lucas, he broke into her home, killed her and
then stole 180 dollars. OK, so there was.
OK, so there was a spree. Of of yeah, he's still he's
probably he's not working. Yeah, so he did have to.
He had to do what he had to do, I guess.
Yeah. Laura Marie purchased, 26, was
was discovered on March 17th of 1983 dead in a burning wooded
area near League Line Rd. in Montgomery County, Texas.
She had been reported missing from Houston on March 5th.
An autopsy discovered, I'm sorry, determined that she had
been sexually assaulted and strangled in 2008.
DNA tested. DNA testing.
God, I can't talk today. It's OK.
Ruled Lucas out as a suspect and purchased his case in 2021
another man was charged with her murder Oh yeah, so.
But back in the day, this was one of the cases that.
He confessed to. He confessed to that he didn't
actually do. Right.
They thought they had that, so they charged him on it and it
was eventually brought to trial and he was convicted of the
murder. Oh wow, so there was a whole
nother offender out. Yes.
Dang yes and last one is on April 16th of 1983, sixteen year
old Laura Jean Donnez skipped school in Houston but was never
seen again. On April 18th, 1983, an oil
field worker spotted a fire burning in a wooded area near
Logging Rd. in Montgomery County, Texas.
She had been strangled, raped, beaten on the head and her body
burned after death. Oh wow.
Lucas confessed to her murder and was able to lead police to
where her body was discovered. So all of those.
I mean he could have known where it was based off of.
Off of looking at the files that he had access to, apparently,
but they were like, OK, you want to admit to it, we're going to
fucking charge you for it. I mean he deserved like.
He was going to get out. He.
Deserved to be charged. Yeah, he did commit horrible,
heinous, heinous crime. I just hate that he took
responsibility for ones that he didn't commit.
Me too. Because that I mean that.
Leaves. Yeah, well, that murder is
dangerous. They're still not justified.
There's no justice for that person, which is fucked.
Lucas was sentenced to death, but the sentence was commuted to
life imprisonment in 1998 by then Governor George W Bush.
The only death sentence he commuted was in his time as a
governor was Lucas's case, which I think is really bizarre.
That is wild. On March 12 of 2001 at 11:00 PM,
Lucas was found dead in prison from congestive heart failure at
64. So I don't.
I couldn't find why his case was commuted.
Yeah, and why he was the only one in Texas.
Yeah, to have that happen, considering how bad his offenses
were, yeah. What are you doing?
Bush very. Odd.
What are you doing? Buddies.
Maybe George Bush knows him. Oh yeah, they could have been
friends. Maybe they went to school
together. Maybe he killed the other ones.
He took responsibility. For but we're not accusing a
former president no murder and yes, now on of more than 3000
murder cases in which he was a suspect, police believed more
than 200 cases were committed by him.
How many? 200.
That's many. That's.
Way a lot. That's that's a big number.
That's too many, I feel. That's a big a lot number.
However, he remained publicized as America's most prolific
serial killer, despite denials such as he would say, I am not a
serial killer. But he admitted there's so many
crimes. Like a shit ton of murders.
Like come on, pick. But I'm not a serial killer.
No, I'm not. I just killed a lot of people.
But it wasn't in a serial way. It was not.
It was an accident. It was self-defense.
I didn't mean it, Bush told me to.
Some continue to believe, nonetheless, that Lucas was
responsible for a massive number of killings.
Yeah. I mean, there's no denying that.
No, no, no, he he was a mofo. Yeah, and he was definitely a
serial killer 100. Percent, Like what are you
doing? Yeah.
Like who are you trying to who? Trying to fool here.
Yeah, I'm. Going to figure out what the
last word was, so thank you for that.
Who are you trying to like? You did it dude.
You got caught Red handy. I'm assuming he's dead now.
Probably. I just said he was.
Dead. Did you really?
I don't listen. That's not my point.
Yeah. He died on March 12, 2001.
He was found dead in prison. He had congestive heart.
Failure at 64. I'm thinking of what you're
putting down. I'm hearing, I'm hearing the
dots. I even have where he was buried.
He was buried at Captain Joe Bird Cemetery in Huntsville, TX.
Oh, interesting. So.
Anybody that lives in Huntsville wants to go see Lucas's burial
ground. Yeah, Go there, take a picture,
send it to us. And hashtag, super color,
hashtag crime hashtag. Don't know?
Tag us, Take a selfie. Pee on him.
No understand. Yeah, I just thought this case
was so weird. I mean, I had seen him before
and like, I know that his case was popular, yeah, or well
known, but there was a lot of details that I wasn't aware of.
I've heard of him, but I didn't know all of this.
Stuff. Yeah, at all, yeah.
I mean, I'd seen there is footage of him being questioned,
like interrogated, Yeah. And he's just there smoking a
cigarette saying, Yep, I did that.
I did that one. I missed that time.
I feel like smoking cigarettes in interrogation rooms.
It's classic. It's.
Yeah, I don't know why they stopped it.
It's. Like the vibe?
Ventilation. Yeah.
Makes sense. Yeah.
Like you need to have a cigarette.
Yeah. An interrogation room, right.
Otherwise, what are you doing? Well, I think maybe sometimes
they do. They didn't.
If he's like, I have information.
But I need. I need a cigarette.
A camel crush, Yeah, because I like to have options of menthol
or super menthol when I'm confessing.
Oh my God, yeah. I mean, give him a cigarette.
FBI bring it back, bring it back.
I think it would be so productive, honest I feel like.
It would be too like you would. There's just a home in your
vibe, yeah. You know, but what if they were
like, chilling? Give me some crack and I'll tell
you. They probably wouldn't, I'll
tell you that. They're like, all right, Brian,
go back to the evidence locker. We need some crack here.
You'd get everything confessed in about four minutes.
So much would. Be a full timeline from his
birth to now. He'd tell you why he did it, how
he did it. It was with the trauma that
caused him to do. It the number of hair follicles
that was on his hand standing up while he was doing it.
Oh God. All of it.
Anyways, so that's that's that. Yeah.
All right. Well, what?
A good time. All the little criminals out
there, thank you. With coffee Creamer.
We're too much. Here we are.
All right, Well, stay safe. And and remember.
We didn't do it.