1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,280 I'm Aaron. And I'm Dana. 2 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:08,280 And this is. Crimes we didn't commit. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Here we go. I'm excited for this one. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,560 Oh, are we recording? Yeah. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,040 Oh, wow. I never know because the laptop 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,640 is at you. Well, somebody has to be an 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,560 engineer. And it's you. 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,120 And it is me and I've. I've learned so much. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,680 You have like from the beginning and the first several episodes 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,040 you recorded. First of all, one of us couldn't 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,720 be heard. Yep. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,240 And then we would you would try and fix it for hours. 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,320 There'd be an echo. It would fuck up. 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,800 Yeah, it was really difficult. But yeah, I've really learned. 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,040 Shout out to ChatGPT for helping me with. 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,000 All of this. Thank you interwebs. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,280 Thank you so much. AI. 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,560 Yeah. What would we do without AI 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,880 right now? I don't know, but it's also 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,240 concerning how much I use it. Yes, because I know that it's a 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,599 lot of water consumption and at the same time I think I'm 22 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,800 getting Dumber. Yeah, I think people are relying 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,480 on it too much. Like, for example, the kids are 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,480 that are in school right now. Oh, there you gotta know they're 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,040 making. Oh yeah, they're making their 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,960 essays from there. They're like. 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,680 And you can definitely edit it to make it sound more like you 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,680 absolutely like that. Well, these are going to be. 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,840 Future doctors, I know, and they're taking out the dashes 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,240 and they're just making sure everything is, yeah. 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,760 Edited right and it looks good. Yeah, maybe throw in an 32 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,600 incorrect comma splice. I mean, remember when we were in 33 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,440 school and I would, I would type my essay up in Microsoft Word 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,800 and then you would do like the spell checking. 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,520 It would go through everything. Yeah. 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,360 And that's what we did. Grammar was right, yeah. 37 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,400 All the research or any of the writing came straight from us 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,960 like we did so much work. I remember using encyclopedias. 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,320 Yeah, I would have to go into books. 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Like at the. Library. 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know how I did any 42 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,800 college. Yeah, I well, I. 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,120 I mean, it's all the same thing, yeah. 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,800 Like all of the studies are the same. 45 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,000 It's so it's just they rely happily. 46 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,400 Time. And it's a lot of money. 47 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,720 I am now in college again and I have taken out loans and I have 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,520 a negative net worth. Love that. 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,360 Yeah. You don't have life insurance. 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,320 No. Oh, you don't have any 51 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,400 insurance? Not even health. 52 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,640 No. Your job doesn't offer health 53 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:31,440 insurance. No. 54 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,520 Why do you work there? Because it's nice, because I'm 55 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,920 in school and it's like, not hard. 56 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Yeah, to do able to record a podcast during the week so. 57 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,680 Yeah, on a Monday. Yeah, twice a week, 2:00 Yeah. 58 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:50,760 So I think that it's worth it. I just won't get sick or break 59 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,240 anything. No, just be healthy and knock on 60 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,520 wood right now. Yeah, absolutely. 61 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Knock on, I'm knocking on my leg. 62 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,720 But sometimes. Sometimes. 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,080 People have wood legs. Oh, I watched this new show or 64 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,760 we watched this new show. It's called The Beast in Me. 65 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,920 I think it was on Netflix. And it's about this guy who is 66 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:14,200 suspected to be a murderer, that he murdered his wife. 67 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:20,920 And this writer ends up being able to, like, interview him, I 68 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:22,520 guess. Anyway, it's this whole entire, 69 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,040 like, we go through the entire thing to find out whether or not 70 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,640 he was the murderer or not, and a bunch of stuff goes down. 71 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,480 But it was so good. I might have watched. 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,520 That it was so good. If it's on Netflix, more than 73 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,440 likely. It's on Netflix. 74 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,000 I want to say it is, but I very much enjoyed it. 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,120 It's day like a million and two that Nancy Guthrie has been 76 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,720 missing. Where the fuck is Nancy at? 77 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,200 She is lost. I think she just decided, you 78 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,080 know what? I'm done. 79 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Yeah, I'm going to spend off the grid the rest of my years 80 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,640 somewhere else. Where I want to be. 81 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Yep. By myself. 82 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,560 Yeah, maybe kind of like Enya. Like she's on, you know, she's 83 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,200 just in a castle with all her cats. 84 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,880 Well, you know when cats are like, towards, like the end of 85 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,960 their life? Yeah. 86 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,240 And they just like, run away. Do they? 87 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,280 Is it like they hide? They hide because they're. 88 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,880 Just like I'm gonna die. I'm gonna go over here in the 89 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,760 corner. Oh yeah, I guess that makes 90 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,480 sense and I feel like that's how it works with my depression. 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Same. I just find a hole. 92 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,800 To sit, I just stay in bed, really. 93 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,360 I mean, it's a hole. I stay in bed. 94 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,160 When I'm happy, I'm sad. The bed is your safe. 95 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Place it really is, it is. Really, it's very comforting. 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,440 Well, the case that we're gonna do. 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Does it have anything to do with the comforters? 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,640 These people that are in bed, it's not their safe space. 99 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,640 That is really unfortunate. It's sucks because I'm sure they 100 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,280 thought it was. And it's, I mean, it's not 101 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,920 funny, but it's interesting how that just kind of was just a 102 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,400 natural. Segue yeah, we're remarkable. 103 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,800 I know How did we do this I. Have no idea, but this case is 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,520 about This case is about Daniel Harold Rowling. 105 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,920 OK. He was known as the Gainesville 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,000 Ripper. Oh yeah, he had a nickname. 107 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,480 And I'm sure he loves. Most serial killers love their 108 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,480 nicknames. Yeah, unless it's a lame one. 109 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,840 Yeah. What are some lame ones? 110 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,560 I don't remember them, but I'm sure there are some. 111 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,200 There has to. Be they all deserve lame ones. 112 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,480 If you know any lame serial killer names, please write in at 113 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,160 crimes We didn't comein@gmail.com or DMS. So 114 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,000 Daniel was born on May 26th, 1954. 115 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,880 He was one of two sons born to James Harold Rowling and Claudia 116 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,640 Beatrice. They're originally from Georgia. 117 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Georgia. Georgia. 118 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,480 His dad was a former Korean War vet and also was a police 119 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,360 officer. He often abused his wife and 120 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,240 sons for frivolous reasons. I was just like, oh, he was that 121 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,600 and a fleece officer. He was actually in the 122 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,600 community. He was super abusive. 123 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,040 Hate him? One time his mom tried to commit 124 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,960 suicide just to like, get away from him. 125 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,320 Whoa. Yeah, that's wild. 126 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,400 It's, yeah, it gets crazy. Things like breathing in a way 127 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,120 that displeased him would like make him rage out and get 128 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,160 abusive. Yeah. 129 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,520 I get it. Like close your mouth and 130 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,440 breathe, yeah. Come on or chew over there. 131 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Oh, the chewing. I chew really loudly. 132 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,160 Oh, we can't. I can't eat with you. 133 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,720 He would also make it aware that Daniel was unwanted from birth. 134 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Oh so immediately. Trauma. 135 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,200 Yeah, right off the bat. And why? 136 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Would you have him? It what? 137 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,960 You're not supposed to be here. Where'd you come from? 138 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,520 Get out of here. James, once pinned rolling to 139 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,040 the ground, handcuffed him and had police take his son away 140 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,160 because he was embarrassed by him. 141 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Which What? Do you abuse your power? 142 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,400 The dad? Yeah. 143 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,880 Like handcuffed who? His son. 144 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,560 And had the police take him away, Yeah. 145 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,280 He called his police buddy's. Breathing wrong? 146 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Come get this kid. In another story, Rowling had a 147 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,960 dog, but James beat the dog so often that it died in his son's 148 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,240 arm. No, yeah, no. 149 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,560 I hope he kills his dad. I mean, well, OK. 150 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,200 As a teenager and young adult, Rowling was arrested several 151 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,640 times for robberies in Georgia and Alabama and was caught 152 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,680 spying on a woman getting undressed. 153 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,400 OK, that's not good. No, it's not good. 154 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,120 None of those things are good. But James did shoot his dad in 155 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,080 the face. Did he live? 156 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,880 Yeah. Fuck, I know. 157 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,280 But he has a major injury. Huge. 158 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,320 So probably looks ugly now, yeah. 159 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,200 As an adult, he had trouble trying to assimilate into 160 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,560 society and holding down a steady job. 161 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,600 At one point, Rowling worked as a waiter at a restaurant in 162 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,800 Louisiana, but eventually he ended up in Florida, living in a 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,880 small camp in a wooded area near apartment complexes. 164 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,240 OK, so he just kept. Moving. 165 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,040 He just went homeless basically. Yeah, he was just a nomad he 166 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,080 had. Had his own he. 167 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,600 Didn't know where. To be he just want to be off 168 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,360 grid. Yeah. 169 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,240 But like in a city? I guess where it's warm. 170 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Now on August 24th of 1990, in the early morning hours, Rolling 171 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,000 broke into an apartment of two university freshmen, 18 year old 172 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,480 Sonia Larson and 17 year old Christina Powell. 173 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,400 He brought with him a semi. Automatic. 174 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Yeah. Whoa. 175 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:46,800 I can't believe I couldn't say it. 176 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,560 It's OK, I got you. So a semi automatic pistol and 177 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:54,040 AK bar knife? Oh wow, he was prepared to kill. 178 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,800 He was. He went in to do that. 179 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,800 Yeah. Oh, OK. 180 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,320 Christina was asleep on the couch downstairs. 181 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Rolling stood over her but didn't wake her up. 182 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Creepy. He chose to move upstairs to a 183 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,280 bedroom where Sonya was sleeping. 184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,840 Rolling taped Sonya's mouth shut to cover her screams. 185 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:19,040 She was stabbed on her arms and received a slashing blow to her 186 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,960 left thigh. Those are not killing ones. 187 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,440 No, those are what are those called when it's not a killing 188 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,800 one. Hurt. 189 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,880 Hurt once. Once it's not. 190 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,480 Like non fatal, it's there's a there's a well, there's. 191 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,560 Some of them are defensive wounds, like on her arms. 192 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,840 We'll figure out the saying. Miss Larson maintained 193 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,240 consciousness for less than a minute and died as a direct 194 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,720 result of the stab wounds inflicted by rolling. 195 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,720 Oh wow. He then went back downstairs. 196 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,000 He taped Christina's mouth shut, bound her wrist together behind 197 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,720 her back and threatened her with the knife as he cut her clothes 198 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,440 off. He raped her and forced her face 199 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,680 down onto the floor. He stabbed her five times in the 200 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,520 back. Wow, but he didn't rape the no 201 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,640 the first victim. But after he killed Christina, 202 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,720 he went back upstairs, raped Sonia's corpse, he posed the 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,000 bodies in sexual, provocative positions and took a shower 204 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,440 before leaving the apartment. Nice. 205 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,400 OK. Like what? 206 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,040 OK, so interesting. He did that. 207 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:37,600 That is just this is the first one that was, you know, on his 208 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:43,520 list of committings. That's a very big like, that's 209 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,880 not, you know how some people. He just went all in. 210 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Yeah, he went all the way in, Yeah. 211 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,640 Less than 48 hours later, rolling during the evening hours 212 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,760 of Saturday, August 25th, he broke into the apartment of 213 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,480 college student Krista Hoyt. She was 18, a chemistry honors 214 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,520 student. This was located about two miles 215 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,160 away from the first crime scene by prying open the sliding glass 216 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,720 door with a screwdriver. Armed with the same automatic 217 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,400 pistol and K bar knife, Rolling waited in the living room 218 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,960 waiting for Krista to get back home. 219 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,440 So he staked this out. Yeah, well, he was peeking in 220 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 her window a few days beforehand. 221 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,560 When Krista eventually returned home at about 11:00 AM, Rolling 222 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,400 surprised her from behind, placing her in a chokehold and 223 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,600 subduing her. After a brief struggle, he taped 224 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,000 her mouth shut and her hands and then LED her into the bedroom, 225 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,240 where, after cutting and tearing off her clothes and 226 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,920 undergarments, he forced her onto the bed, threatened her 227 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,040 with his K bar knife, and raped her. 228 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Rolling subsequently turned Krista face down in her bed and 229 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,480 stabbed her through the back, rupturing her aorta and killing 230 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,320 her. So it's interesting that he 231 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,320 keeps stabbing in the back. Yeah, it's like he doesn't wanna 232 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,440 see their faces. I find that to be kind of odd. 233 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,360 Yeah, same. After arriving back at his 234 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,040 campsite, Rowling could not find his wallet, thinking he may have 235 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,640 lost it at the murder scene. He returned there, at which he 236 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,120 decapitated Krista. OK, so. 237 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,520 I don't know why that was. Why he? 238 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,320 Needed to do he's like, you know what wallet? 239 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,640 Beer wallet. Yeah, let me just got to check 240 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,320 this off my To Do List. And then he posed her body in a 241 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,680 sitting position at the edge of her bed and placed her head on a 242 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:44,920 shelf facing the corpse. Oh, weird. 243 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,200 Weird. That is really weird. 244 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:51,480 He later claimed his intent was to add the shock of whoever 245 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,480 discovered her. OK. 246 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,480 Like sick. Oh, that is really sick. 247 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,960 But I mean, that's not the first time a serial killer has done 248 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,160 that. It's just all shock value. 249 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Yeah, they wanna get a reaction out of people. 250 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Not that you know, a murderer wouldn't get a reaction out of 251 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,520 someone by itself. I mean just her body alone. 252 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Yeah, is more than enough. Plenty enough trauma, right? 253 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,160 A litter. A litter. 254 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,640 Of kittens. A little over a day later at 255 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,240 approximately 3:00 AM on August 27th. 256 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,840 So these are happening. Really like in quick succession. 257 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Yeah, consecutively, Rowling entered 1/3 apartment occupied 258 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,360 by roommates and college students Tracy Paul's, 23, and 259 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,680 Manuel. I couldn't say this last name 260 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,520 but Tabauda. OK, that sounds right. 261 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,320 Also 23 OK again Rolling broke into the apartment by prying 262 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,640 open the double glass sliding door with the same screwdriver 263 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,520 he used to enter Krista's apartment. 264 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,920 They need to recall those doors. How do you open a door with a 265 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,040 screwdriver? I don't know. 266 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,720 I don't know how to open a door without it with the key without 267 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,640 like I need the right key sometimes with the key. 268 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,880 If I'm locked out of my house, there's no way in hell I can use 269 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,840 a screwdriver. Absolutely not, unless I'm not 270 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,520 even with the sliding door. No. 271 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:15,200 What the fuck? So he went in. 272 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,040 He attacked Manuel first, stabbing him in the solar plexus 273 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 and penetrating his thoracic vertebrae. 274 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:29,840 So the solar plexus when looking at the Welcome to Doctor corner 275 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,320 with Dana and Aaron where we are not medical providers. 276 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,560 So I don't know what the solar plexus is, but I do know that 277 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,480 the vertebra is his spine, so my guess is it's like the back of 278 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,200 his head. That's my Yeah, that sounds 279 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,760 right. Yeah. 280 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,760 Solar is like the sun. Sun is up, so must be top 281 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,240 plexus. Sounds like it could be like 282 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,440 shoulder for some reason. Yeah, I don't know. 283 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,400 I feel like your shoulder's plexus. 284 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,400 Oh God. Anyway. 285 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,320 Emmanuel was awakened by the blow, so he was sleeping and 286 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,400 struggled to fight off his assailant. 287 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Assailant. Assailant. 288 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Yeah. Rolling repeatedly stabbed him 289 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,680 on the arms, hands, chest, legs and face and eventually killed 290 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,920 him. I would think so. 291 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,280 Yeah. Hearing the commotion caused by 292 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,080 the struggle, Tracy Pauls approached Manuel's bedroom and, 293 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,720 catching a glimpse of Rolling, fled to her room, where she 294 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,160 attempted to lock the door. Rolling, who was covered in 295 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Manuel's blood, followed Paul's and broke through her bedroom 296 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,440 door. He was just like. 297 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Yeah, must be very strong. Also, why didn't she run out of 298 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,760 the apartment? I'm wondering if he blocked it 299 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,040 somehow? Possibly. 300 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Or like that was on the way to the door. 301 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,400 Yeah, so she just backtracked. I mean, it's fight or flight, 302 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,960 right? Yeah, there's no. 303 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Which I would have frozen, Yeah, I would have stood there and be 304 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,960 like, hello. Yeah, I'm next. 305 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,760 Like I don't know what to do. Yeah. 306 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,120 No, I don't know. Rolling subdued her, taped her 307 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,880 mouth and her hands, and cut or tore off her T-shirt. 308 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,120 He raped her and threatened her with his knife before turning 309 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,760 her over on the bed again in like killing her in the back, 310 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,920 stabbing her in the black. Finally, Rolling cleaned and 311 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,520 posed the body of Tracy Paul's and left the apartment. 312 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,880 I'm wondering like if the back thing, I know that if they're 313 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,320 facing away from you #1 they are very vulnerable in that position 314 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 because they can't see you. But she's already tied up and. 315 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,080 I don't think it's so much she can't see him, but he can't see 316 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:39,840 her. Right. 317 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,520 And also it could be like a self esteem type thing or whatever it 318 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,520 is connected to his like you're saying. 319 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,040 So he had some sorts, some sorts of something. 320 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,000 He had some sorts of feelings. He's sorting them out. 321 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,760 By this time, the murders had attracted widespread media 322 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,800 attention. Like, who the fuck is killing 323 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,160 all these college students? Many students had begun taking 324 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,359 precautions such as changing their daily routines and 325 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,720 sleeping together in groups. Oh, wow, that's smart. 326 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,359 That's really smart. I don't think about my daily 327 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,760 routines because I'm pretty consistent. 328 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,720 Yeah, in my routines, just in general. 329 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,720 But if people are being murdered around you, it's. 330 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,560 You're going to start switching. And be like, hey, do you want to 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,200 come over? And not be, of course. 332 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,800 Yeah. Because the spree was happening 333 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,319 so early in the fall semester, some students withdrew their 334 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,440 enrollment and transferred to other schools. 335 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,600 Oh wow, yeah, that means, I mean, that's happening getting. 336 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,880 The fuck out of here. That I feel like that means the 337 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,720 police are going to start taking action soon because it's 338 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,560 impacting their Yep monies. Although law enforcement 339 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,480 initially had very few leads, police identified 2 suspects. 340 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Cool. One suspect was Edward Lewis 341 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,720 Humphrey. He was a 20. 342 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,160 No, he was 20 years old. Sorry. 343 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,800 OK, he was in the 20s. He was 20 years old, University 344 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,720 of Florida student with a history of mental illness who 345 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,840 had been convicted of felony assault against his grandmother. 346 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:05,000 He was held in custody for five months until a grand jury 347 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,640 refused to indict him on the murder charges, citing 348 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,040 insufficient evidence. OK, that's fair. 349 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 There wasn't any evidence. Yeah, he was just a suspicious 350 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,120 person. You just had a criminal history. 351 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:19,120 Yeah, that's it. Authorities publicly cleared him 352 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,960 of all charges and the other suspect they had was also later 353 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,240 cleared. OK, so they. 354 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,680 So they're back to. Both subjects were not him. 355 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,440 Yeah, OK. August 1990 A Shreveport, LA 356 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,840 resident, Cindy, heard a news report about a string of murders 357 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,520 as she travelled through the Florida Panhandle. 358 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:42,360 OK, and the report made her think about Rowling, whom she 359 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,680 met at her Louisiana hometown church, and his possible link to 360 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:52,520 murders of a family called the Grisms in Shreveport. 361 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,160 She thought of him because one night Rowling told her, told her 362 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,640 and her husband that he likes to stick knives into people. 363 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,840 OK, yeah, so did they. Were they just like, OK, would 364 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,320 you like more tea? Well, the husband told the wife, 365 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,600 Cindy, yeah, he's got to go. OK. 366 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,280 Yeah. So they immediately were like, 367 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,720 yeah, no, we are. Not our friend. 368 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:14,840 Anymore. No, we can't. 369 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,960 You're. Yeah, yeah. 370 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,080 Sorry, we're. Busy bye. 371 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,960 Louisiana police alerted Florida authorities to an unsolved 372 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,400 triple murder in Shreveport on November 4th, 1989. 373 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,520 OK. Detectives noted similarities 374 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,600 between the Gainesville murders and those of 55 year old William 375 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,120 Grissom, his 24 year old daughter Julie, and his 376 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,480 eight-year old grandson Sean. Oh wow, so sad. 377 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,040 The family was attacked in their home while preparing for dinner 378 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,720 afterwards. Julie Grissom's body had been 379 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,960 mutilated, cleaned and posed. Oh, so this like he's doing with 380 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,680 the others? Super common, like the same MO, 381 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:03,040 the same staging, all of that. The investigator, Don Mainz with 382 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,000 the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. 383 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,600 He traveled to Shreveport, LA in November of 1990 because of the 384 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,880 similarities between the two sets of murders. 385 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,520 These included posing of the victims, tape residue on the 386 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,000 victims bodies and vinegar used to cleanse the bodies. 387 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,680 That's. What? 388 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,320 I thought vinegar. I didn't know. 389 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,520 I don't know what I know vinegar can be used for cleaning. 390 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,520 But as far as like, does that get rid of DNA like? 391 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,360 I mean, maybe, yeah, I don't know, It's acidic. 392 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,920 I feel like it could potentially break it down. 393 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,880 Maybe he couldn't get bleach. It was too expensive. 394 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:42,880 It could have been too expensive. 395 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,200 Vinegar's pretty cheap. Vinegar's cheap and it's in most 396 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,960 households. That's true. 397 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,080 Maine said that they tested the body fluids from the perpetrator 398 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,280 in Shreveport and found that this person had a type B blood 399 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,440 type. OK. 400 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,680 I think it's pretty awesome that he went to go investigate 401 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,880 something that looks similar. Yeah, because. 402 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,080 It's genius. It is. 403 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,760 It makes a lot of sense to do that. 404 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 And shout out to Cindy, Yes, because that lead. 405 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,560 Calling that in, yeah, because otherwise there would have not 406 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,480 been that connection. Exactly they would have. 407 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,800 No idea. Here's something. 408 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,960 Remember something, say something. 409 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,120 He called the match to the evidence in Gainesville, a 410 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:25,720 revelation in the case. Investigators responded to the 411 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,600 tip and quickly found Rowling, who had been arrested on 412 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:35,080 September 7th, 1990 in Florida for robbing a supermarket. 413 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,640 It's so funny that they get arrested for stuff like robbery 414 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,400 but not the murders. No. 415 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840 Well, because there's. CCTV footage, there's all those 416 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,000 things. And there's so much more 417 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,520 careful, I feel like, because of how heinous the crimes are, that 418 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,000 they feel like if they can get away with that, then they can 419 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,960 get away with small crimes like robbery. 420 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,680 Right. The robbery was committed 10 421 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,800 days after the bodies of Paul and Manuel were found, so again, 422 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,680 OK. Very quick. 423 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,720 Close after Yeah, Rowling was being held in the Marion County 424 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,120 Jail, 40 miles South of Gainesville. 425 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,360 While being held, investigators realized that Rowling had 426 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:16,440 multiple convictions for armed robbery. 427 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,000 They also realized he could have also been responsible for the 428 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560 bank robbery that occurred on the day Krista Hoyt's body was 429 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,960 found. So he's just out here committing 430 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,200 crimes. Left doing things. 431 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,320 Also it would be really cool to be able to do like a bank heist. 432 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:34,280 I agree. I wouldn't do it, no, it would 433 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,080 be so. Cool. 434 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,800 I love like movies that have bank high. 435 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,320 So I think it's wow, they really thought of that. 436 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Right. And it just, it just looks so 437 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,680 cool. They make crime look cool. 438 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,560 They they, but don't. Don't commit crimes. 439 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,320 We. Didn't. 440 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,440 So they returned to the evidence locker. 441 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,280 So after they, you know, the, the murders had occurred, they 442 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,080 returned to the evidence locker where the gun, screwdriver, bag 443 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080 of money and cassette player were stored. 444 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,000 And they listened to the tapes. We'll get in. 445 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:07,760 We'll get into that later. They found tools matching marks 446 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,840 left on the Gainesville murder scenes, the small camp where he 447 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,400 had been living. In the wooded area near the 448 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,920 apartments, investigators discovered audio Diaries he had 449 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,640 made alluding to the crimes. So even more. 450 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,600 OK, they have a They're getting a stack of evidence. 451 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,680 Oh. Yeah, investigators determined 452 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,280 that Rowling had Type B blood, like the suspect in both the 453 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,240 Gainesville and Shreveport martyrs. 454 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,720 Moiters. Maita. 455 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:43,520 On November 15th, 1991, the grand jury of Alachu County 456 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,280 indicted appellant Danny Rowling for this serial murders. 457 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,000 He was charged with five counts of first degree murder 333. 458 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,680 Crowns. 3 counts of sexual battery and three counts of 459 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,480 armed burglary of a dwelling with a battery. 460 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,000 He claimed his motive was to become a superstar similar to 461 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,120 Ted Bundy. And you? 462 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:15,080 Yeah, like, come on. That's that is being a superstar 463 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,160 for something else. Why do you want to 464 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:24,000 sensationalize murder? Also, the outcome at the end of 465 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,120 incarceration is not worth. It no, it is. 466 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,400 Not. But he thought of his murders as 467 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,000 like an art form, the way that he posed the body, you know, 468 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,400 obviously. Painting. 469 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,400 I mean go paint. Go paint something. 470 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,440 You could also, you could take pictures of people posing, fruit 471 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,080 basket, you know so many things. Anything. 472 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,200 It doesn't matter. Just not murdering. 473 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,480 In 1994, before his trial could get underway, Rowling 474 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,400 unexpectedly pleaded guilty to all charges. 475 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,680 Oh, so instead of going to trial saying not guilty, doing the 476 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,960 whole deal, he's like, you know what? 477 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,240 I did it. I did it. 478 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,640 Nice. OK. 479 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,280 So, I mean, that's good, yeah. June 9th of 1992. 480 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,360 Was born then, not June 9th, but. 481 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760 On June 9th, 1992, Rowling entered a plea of not guilty on 482 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,200 all counts. The day that was set for trial, 483 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,760 on February 15th, 1994, he changed his plea to guilty on 484 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,800 all counts. Interesting. 485 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,200 So we had some time to think also. 486 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,600 Why is the trial that that? It takes so long, two years. 487 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,720 Yeah, gosh, it blows my mind how the judicial system. 488 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,640 Works. It's insane it. 489 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,040 Doesn't make sense to me. The trial court accepted 490 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,160 Rowling's plea after reviewing with him the factual basis for 491 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,280 it and adjudicated for him guilty on all counts. 492 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,800 OK. So he's like, yeah, you did it. 493 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,880 The penalty phase proceeding was held and the jury recommended 494 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,280 that Rowling be sentenced to death for each murder by a vote 495 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,080 of 12 to 0. Oh nice, I know he has to get 496 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,800 killed a lot of times. Yeah, 12 times. 497 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,200 Yeah, I'm. Just kidding. 498 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,040 Rowling tried to appeal with many denials and on April 20th 499 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:18,480 of 1994, Rowling was sentenced to death shortly before he was 500 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,280 executed in Florida for the series of killings in 501 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080 Gainesville. Rowling claimed responsibility 502 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,640 for the Shreveport murders, handing his spiritual advisor a 503 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,880 handwritten confession and apology. 504 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,640 Rowling had a last meal of lobster tail. 505 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,280 He sang a gospel hymn but made no statement immediately before 506 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,680 his execution which was witnessed by many of his victims 507 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,320 relatives. He was executed by lethal 508 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,480 injection at Florida State Prison on October 25th of 2006 509 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,080 after the US Supreme Court rejected a last ditch appeal. 510 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,800 He was pronounced dead at 6:13 PM. 511 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Well, so he was just, he was, he just was killed. 512 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,520 Huh. Bye bye. 513 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,200 That would be such an interesting thing to witness. 514 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,960 I. I don't want to. 515 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,280 I think it would be one of those things where, yeah, it sounds 516 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,200 something like I would want to do, but then during and after I 517 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,320 would ask myself why I did that. Yeah, like have putting 518 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,120 someone's life in like it's not. I mean, you're not putting it in 519 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,040 your hands. Obviously the judge decides and 520 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,640 the jury and whatever, but for some reason this time we were 521 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,880 talking about it, it felt, made me feel not good. 522 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,160 Yeah. It's weird. 523 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,560 Yeah. I do think that like, if you are 524 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,440 a victim, like if you're family, I'm sure that is a very 525 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,160 satisfying justice. But it is very interesting to 526 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,000 like, think about, think about. Yeah. 527 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,520 Well, we've seen it on TV shows. Oh yeah, plenty of times. 528 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,480 And and it's also a wild thing to look at. 529 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,120 Yeah, even though it's fake on. Right. 530 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,360 I immediately have the feeling of being there. 531 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,480 Yeah, like it's a very heavy. It's a very heavy thing to watch 532 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,840 and like I said, even it being fake. 533 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,200 Yeah. Is. 534 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840 It's just the idea. We just, like, kill people. 535 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,440 Right for justice, right which which is a very, I understand 536 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,240 it. I do. 537 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,400 I do get it totally. I understand both sides 538 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,200 honestly. But it's just watching somebody 539 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,120 be completely vulnerable. Like that? 540 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,400 Like that? But I think that we're 541 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,560 separating at that point. We're separating the crimes 542 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,840 committed. Yeah, from it. 543 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,360 We're seeing them. Just just a human. 544 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,200 Yeah. You know. 545 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,320 Yeah. And not the monster that they 546 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,960 were or are. Yeah. 547 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,440 So, well, then you think about or I think about them as a 548 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,960 child. Yeah, what the? 549 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,760 Innocence is and man, how did they get to where they're at? 550 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,400 Because. Fucking dad's fault. 551 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,760 No one is born. That way, that way. 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880 At least I don't think so, but maybe maybe. 553 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,320 I mean, some people have a chemical imbalance of sorts of 554 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,720 murder. Yeah, probably. 555 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,320 I don't know if there's an impulse in there, maybe for some 556 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640 people. I think every baby is OK. 557 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,440 So you're probably wondering, what did the recording say? 558 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,040 I was wondering thank you for asking or saying you're so 559 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,960 welcome. One of the tapes consisted of a 560 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,920 58 minute recording. That's a lot of minutes. 561 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,680 That's a lot of minutes. It's like an hour. 562 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:35,600 Yeah, that's a long time. So he wrote original songs and 563 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,440 he sang them. There was 11 OK country style 564 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,400 songs. So that's how he wanted to be a 565 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,160 *. While playing a guitar. 566 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,960 He just didn't know how to get his foot in the door. 567 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200 Here's some of the names. Of the songs. 568 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,160 Mystery Writer. It contained chilling lyrics 569 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:59,920 about a killer, a drifter gone insane and a rebel no one can 570 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,920 tame. Another song, Broken Hearts, 571 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680 included the line. Little girls are not all sugar 572 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,200 and spice. Oh. 573 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,000 So he was a poet. Yeah, clearly just a Robert 574 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,640 Frost. He was a poet. 575 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,360 He also had messages to his family, right? 576 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Yeah. OK, I don't know. 577 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,440 I'm not up to my poet game. I don't know. 578 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,440 I'm not strong in that area. He recorded emotional messages 579 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,080 to his mother, brother and father, whom he shot in the 580 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,640 face. He expressed love and apologized 581 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,680 for letting them down while also confronting his father about his 582 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,360 abusive upbringing. He had a bunch of unresolved 583 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,120 trauma. Yeah, he was like, I'm so sorry, 584 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,560 Mom, brother and father. Please don't think of me 585 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,880 differently. Dad, you fucking suck me. 586 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,880 You hit me and hurt me and said I wasn't wanted. 587 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:05,640 Dang, if he had just gone to therapy, you know, and got on 588 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,120 some like Wellbutrin or something, some like Zoloft or 589 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,120 Lexa, Lexapro, I don't know. I think therapy would have been 590 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,400 like. It would have. 591 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,040 Been a big deal. Yeah, I don't think he even had 592 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,920 that idea. He also spoke about his 593 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,320 religious beliefs and his disdain for the corrupt legal 594 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,000 system, which he called a system of the devil. 595 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,280 He stated he would rather be judged by God than by men. 596 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,320 OK, does he think that his actions are good in the eyes of 597 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,000 God? Like, I'm not, I'm not picking 598 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440 up what he's putting down. I think he's more of like a ask 599 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,480 for forgiveness from God things than he is. 600 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960 I'm gonna live by the will of God. 601 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,920 Right. That's OK. 602 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,920 What did he think was so corrupt about the justice system, I 603 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,600 wonder? I mean, he was committing 604 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,000 robberies and murders. He. 605 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,080 Clearly has. He was like, that's. 606 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,160 No respect for the law. Maybe, though, it's because his 607 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,520 dad was a. Police officer. 608 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,000 So his dad, you know, abused the. 609 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840 Power, OK, that, I mean, that's very corrupt. 610 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,080 I'm thinking that is where that makes. 611 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,680 A lot of sense. He wrote or said, sign off, a 612 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,160 sign off for the murders. The tape concluded with a 613 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,960 haunting final message. It says, well, I'm going to sign 614 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480 off for a little bit. I've got something I've got to 615 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,680 do. I love you. 616 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,920 Bye. Prosecutors use this as evidence 617 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,160 of premeditation. Oh yeah. 618 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400 Believing that, he left the campsite to commit his first 619 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080 murders immediately after stopping recording. 620 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,240 I'd believe that. I got to go. 621 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Yeah, wrap it up. Some things to do. 622 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280 I I'm needed. I'm needed somewhere I have an 623 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,320 appointment I'll record later. God wants me to do this. 624 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880 The tapes were considered a turning point in the 625 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,640 investigation because Rowling identified himself by name on 626 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,960 the recording, directly linking him to the campsite and the 627 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,520 nearby crime scenes. Yeah, gotcha. 628 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160 Yeah. Which I think is insane. 629 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,040 It's always they always keep a diary. 630 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,840 They do something most. Of the murders that we have 631 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,040 talked. About they kept something. 632 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,240 They kept something. Yeah, I that's don't keep 633 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,240 trophies. Look guys, if you want to murder 634 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,960 someone, don't keep a diary. Don't record anything. 635 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,360 Don't record anything, don't keep trophies. 636 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,080 Throw away your camera. Yeah, you need to take ego out 637 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,120 of it. Yeah, OK. 638 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,320 You're doing this for you. Yeah, you're doing this for you, 639 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,680 for God. You're doing this for God. 640 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,600 Stick it to the man. Yeah, OK. 641 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,800 Fuck the justice system. Obviously don't commit murder. 642 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,520 No, but, and thank you, the justice system for when you do 643 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,320 right sometimes. When you do the good things, 644 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440 yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's not always. 645 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,080 Sunshine and daisies or something, whatever. 646 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,080 Love Daisies. Whatever the saying, rainbows 647 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,080 and. Sunshine. 648 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,600 Butterflies. No. 649 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,040 Rainbows and sunshine and rainbows. 650 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,679 Sunshine, rainbows and butterflies. 651 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,080 I think it's sunshine and rainbows. 652 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,280 OK, is there only one saying? I feel like there's. 653 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,239 More. I feel like there's probably 654 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,199 more. Let's ask God. 655 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:28,440 Dear God, it's not always blessings and curses. 656 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,880 Or it is. Or maybe it is. 657 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,520 I don't know. I don't know, but there are 658 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,719 videos that I am going to put in the show notes of what as far as 659 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,480 like the murders, no, as far as some of the trial and news 660 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,679 coverage and things like that. It is cool to see stuff like 661 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,679 from back in quote UN quote the day, even though it wasn't that 662 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,199 long ago. Well, and wait till you see a 663 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,840 picture of him. He looks like he could be your 664 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,120 buddy. History teacher at home. 665 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:01,880 Really. Yeah. 666 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,360 Interesting, do you have glasses? 667 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,360 No. Oh OK, you tested a mustache. 668 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,720 No, maybe what kind of not your teacher, maybe not your OK math 669 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680 or PEI, don't fucking know. He looks like he works at a 670 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,960 school. He works sex Ed. 671 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,680 A DARE program. I was going to say the names 672 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,760 like the DARE program, but like for murder, he's like. 673 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600 Yeah. Don't do murders while he's out 674 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,240 doing murders. I feel like that's usually how 675 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,360 it works. He's teaching law. 676 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,920 Yeah, that would make sense. He's a lot of teacher. 677 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,720 Of course he is. So yeah, I love this case 678 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:45,880 though. I thought it was so interesting. 679 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,840 It's so fast. It's so fast. 680 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,560 It's a really fast case that all happened very. 681 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,880 Boom boom, boom boom. There wasn't room for him to be 682 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,640 caught because it was until the end. 683 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Within like a week or two, right? 684 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,280 Like 2 weeks. He's just being most heinous. 685 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,040 Yeah, honestly, like the posing terrible. 686 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,640 Are you kidding me? Right. 687 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,760 Which I wonder where he got that idea from. 688 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,320 Oh, wait, wait. No, Ted Bundy didn't do it. 689 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,440 There are similarities as far as like the college students, the 690 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,640 stabbings, yes, those things. But besides that, yeah, besides 691 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,320 that, he, that's his own. Thing. 692 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,280 Yeah, It was his signature. It was original. 693 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,680 Yeah. And it was the Gainesville 694 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,160 Ripper. I mean, that's a solid name. 695 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,600 I mean, Ripper's pretty kind of badass. 696 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,400 It is. It is. 697 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Yeah, but he's a psycho. Oh yeah, he's not badass, but 698 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,640 it's a cool name. Yeah. 699 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000 Like it would be a cool like metal band name Gainesville 700 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,800 Ripper or like something I don't know. 701 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,080 OK, so I did look up the psychology behind stabbing 702 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,640 victims in the back. OK. 703 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:52,280 So there's three No 4 reasons. So there's cowardice of fear or 704 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,840 confrontation. Attackers who strike from behind 705 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,280 often do so because they are unable or unwilling to face the 706 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,040 victim directly. It can stem from fear of 707 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000 resistance, like they want to make sure they can't defend 708 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,480 themselves. Avoidance of human humanizing 709 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,960 the victim. Which is what you were 710 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,040 suggesting. Direct eye contact can trigger 711 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,160 empathy, which some killers subsequently or subconsciously 712 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,800 avoid making the ACT. Harder, right? 713 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,040 I mean, I assume that I would because I remember we talked 714 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,600 about how some, like serial killers especially, they need to 715 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,000 have that ability to empathize in order to get people in real, 716 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,080 you know, and be able to connect to people. 717 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,360 I don't think he. Didn't. 718 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,240 I don't think that he did. Any but maybe to this to the 719 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,160 point of like actually taking a life. 720 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,360 He didn't want to watch the life leave them right Which? 721 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,160 He could also potentially be a coward. 722 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,360 I mean, I don't think that he has a fear of confrontation 723 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,840 because clearly he was willing to confront them and also they 724 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,160 he stabbed them from the front originally, but to kill them, 725 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,600 yeah, he would generally flip them over and stab him in the 726 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,320 back and then it was a done. And then it was over. 727 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,880 Yeah. So the next one is ambush and 728 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,680 tactical advantage. So it eliminates witness. 729 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,720 Like, let's say he stabs them and they survive, then they 730 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,760 can't, you know, provide information on what they look 731 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,400 like or. That is true. 732 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000 That makes a lot of sense. Control and power. 733 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,800 The act of attacking someone who is unaware or vulnerable can 734 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,800 provide the perpetrator with a sense of total domination. 735 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,840 OK, so again, it's like about power, Like throwing them down. 736 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,800 I control you, you can't do anything. 737 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,680 Yeah. Then there's symbolic betrayal 738 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,480 and internalized rage. So this is like the narcissistic 739 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,400 injury. If the attacker feels humiliated 740 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,600 or rejected, they may lash out in a cowardly way to regain a 741 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,800 sense of superiority without risking further ego damage in a 742 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,400 fair fight. So again making it so they are 743 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,280 unable to do anything. So we do know based off of his 744 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,080 songs, his album, that he felt pretty shitty about himself. 745 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,360 You know, he pretty much hated himself. 746 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,920 Yeah. And he thought that he was 747 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,400 pretty worthless. Yeah. 748 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200 And that he let everyone in his family down, even though his 749 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,400 dad's a piece of shit. Yeah. 750 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,960 So I think that connecting it to that, I know that he that would 751 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,720 make him feel like power and dominance and it might boost his 752 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,200 ego a little bit being able to commit these murders. 753 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,200 I mean, that makes sense to me. I'm not really sure. 754 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,200 Yeah, no, I I agree with you. I think he, I don't know, 755 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,400 there's just, I keep going back to he didn't want to watch them. 756 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,880 Yeah. Or they didn't. 757 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,680 He didn't want them to see him killing them or or whatever. 758 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,240 I don't think it had anything to do with. 759 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,080 Because they were alive to the point, like, eventually they 760 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,080 bled out. Yeah. 761 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,760 You know, I don't think the backstabbing in particular 762 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,040 killed them. Mm Hmm. 763 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,800 I think that the bleeding out probably did, yeah, but it was 764 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,920 like he was done after they were flipped over and stabbed in the 765 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,240 back like that marked the end that. 766 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,200 Was it? Yeah. 767 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,040 Well, that was less the end scene. 768 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,520 Unless he went, he went back to some of the. 769 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,760 Bodies, yeah. You know, engaged in 770 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,160 necrophilia, right? And then posed them. 771 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,440 So that is true too. I think that as far as he didn't 772 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,160 want to watch the life. Yeah, actually on that. 773 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,560 End. That's yeah. 774 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,880 That's the only thing that. Makes sense, yeah. 775 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,840 And then there's the research on backstabbing personalities 776 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,600 suggests that individuals who avoid direct conflict in daily 777 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,400 life may resort to literal attacks from behind when their 778 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,680 hidden rage finally boils over. So again, something similar. 779 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,280 And then there's just overkill. Which I definitely think that it 780 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,640 was. Intense emotion. 781 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,240 Yes. I think that he had a lot of 782 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,400 bottled emotion. Yeah. 783 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,120 That he didn't know how to get out. 784 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,280 And that was the only way because he didn't talk about, 785 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,200 like, friends. No, no, no, no. 786 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,880 Or anything. Like he was a loner. 787 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,360 He was a drifter. He had a hard time with society. 788 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,240 And as a whole. I mean, he lived in a tent in 789 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,640 the woods. It's completely ostracized from, 790 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,480 well, everything. Him ostracizing himself from. 791 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,760 He made that decision, yeah. Pretty young too. 792 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,200 And let's see, it also indicates cumulative rage or like frenzied 793 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,960 state where the attacker continues to strike even after 794 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,720 the victim has turned away to flee or has fallen. 795 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400 OK, so again that could make sense it. 796 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,200 Could make sense. There's also jealousy, but I 797 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,600 don't think that's the case at all. 798 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,600 Intense hostility which the perpetrator to annihilate the 799 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,600 victim. I don't think that he was that 800 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,480 kind of no, I don't think that like he hated women or and there 801 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,640 was also a man that he killed. So I don't know. 802 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,840 I don't know either. I think he definitely had some 803 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,440 rage though, because there were certain victims that he stabbed 804 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,600 like a lot 26 times, right? And you don't do that. 805 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,240 You don't do that. Like, oh, I'm just so happy or 806 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120 like, I'm enjoying this. Yeah, there's some sorts of 807 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,960 like. There's something behind that. 808 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,680 There's gotta be rage. There's a rage, there's a 809 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,960 sadness. There's something. 810 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,640 Yeah. Going along with that, but also 811 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,280 at the same time, maybe he just did that to fuck with us. 812 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,800 Like, you know, maybe there isn't anything behind it at all. 813 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,880 No, I think he just like wanted to, obviously. 814 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,960 He wanted to make sure it was done, that's for sure. 815 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,480 But beyond that, I mean, we'll never really know because he's 816 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,600 dead. He's a Goddard. 817 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,520 He's dead now. I wish we could talk to him. 818 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,680 That would be cool maybe. Shout out, you know, Ouija 819 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,760 board, Yeah. Hell no. 820 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,320 I. Don't want any next episode 821 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,280 we're going to be possessed. No, God, no. 822 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,960 Welcome to Crimes. Oh my God, that'd be insane. 823 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,480 Also the solar plexus. Oh, let's get into that. 824 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,720 It's a dense network of nerves in the upper abdomen behind the 825 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,600 stomach that controls digestive organ function and acts as a 826 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,600 central communication hub. It's often associated with the 827 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,800 Manipura chakra, which is the third chakra in yoga. 828 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,120 It's symbolized by the color yellow. 829 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,480 It also. I wonder what mine looks like or 830 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,600 or is it healthy? Is that what they say when they 831 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,520 talk about gut health? Oh, does have to do with your 832 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,840 digestive tract? So maybe, maybe we just need to 833 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,840 get our chakras in order. The yellow. 834 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,960 One the yellow, just the yellow. The rest of it, fuck. 835 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,280 I'm gonna wear yellow like here tomorrow. 836 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,000 OK, I did just buy a yellow pair of sweatpants. 837 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,560 Whoa. I know. 838 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,360 Yellow sweatpants, are they like? 839 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,960 If you introduce them. Yellow. 840 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,400 Does that make sense? No, they're a little bit yellow. 841 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,560 Yellow. OK, I'll show you like P yellow 842 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,200 like oh, like A Yeah, yeah, yellow like a sun, yellow A. 843 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,200 Dehydrated P yellow. OK, so like darker yellow I need 844 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,720 to see them. Yeah, I'll show you it. 845 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:54,720 Doesn't matter. It doesn't. 846 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,360 They're super cute. But also this part of your body 847 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,920 it so it's part of the sympathetic nervous system and 848 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,320 it controls that fight or flight. 849 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,840 I don't think that he was particularly aiming for that, 850 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,880 but he did do that to the male. He Oh, that's interesting. 851 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,560 So that was a weird connection. I mean, we're grasping at straws 852 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,280 here. Yeah, I think that's the saying, 853 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,960 right? Grasping. 854 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,640 At yes, yes. I don't know. 855 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:19,880 Grasping at straws. Yeah. 856 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,960 OK. That sounds right. 857 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,000 We are. So smart people listen to this 858 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,440 and they're like, wow, they're so dumb. 859 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,880 So. Genius. 860 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,240 They're gonna go so far with this pot. 861 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,440 So far. So I think that that's 862 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,440 interesting because when you feel like that knot in your 863 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,400 stomach for pain or anxiety, that's that. 864 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,320 That's the plexus. That's the plexus. 865 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,560 Solar plexus. Yes, your yellow chakra. 866 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,600 Shout out to my plexus chakras and your plexus anyway. 867 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,320 Well. Super cool. 868 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,800 Not the case, but the. Yeah, no, I mean, it is a cool 869 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,040 case, but it's just, it's just such a fast case. 870 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,040 Like it's just, it's wild. It's just like boom boom, boom 871 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,280 boom. Boom. 872 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,080 And that's it. So, like, you could go over all 873 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,280 of it so fast. I know I did. 874 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,960 Oh, yeah, I guess kind of. Yeah, you did. 875 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,200 If you have any more information about the psychology behind 876 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,920 backstabbing. Yeah, well, there's also like 877 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,880 best friends that backstab you or family members that backstab 878 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,240 you. Yeah, it's a whole thing I. 879 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,800 Mean there's physical backstabbing. 880 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,720 There's just backstabbed by life, emotional. 881 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:25,680 Backstabbing, yeah, there's a lot of just don't. 882 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,480 There's a lot of backstabbing. People don't backstab. 883 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,240 People don't do it. It's not nice, all right? 884 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,640 We don't like that. Stay safe. 885 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,640 Then remember, we didn't do it.