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And he said that when we said, remember blood spatter.
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It's but it's blood spatter. Yes, it is spatter.
I got it right the first one. You were saying splatter?
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No, we're not. It's The thing is that we're
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And I don't know about everyone else in the world, but like my
thoughts are not all. Nope.
Yeah, Yep. And so there is nothing that I
like when we're talking on this podcast.
There is nothing in my brain that's not coming.
Out. Yeah, no filter.
Here, it's not here. No, no, this is the filterless
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And eventually when we have, we have the Patreon.
We just need to actually put shit on it.
Yes, so coming soon. You'll have the Super
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And we're going to have extra episodes in there and, you know,
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it is. Yep.
Maybe case updates on like current cases.
Yeah, things like that. A little bit more engagement
with our followers. Yeah.
So it's gonna be really fun. It's it's gonna be a good time.
Yeah. I'm very much looking forward to
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Which is. I pay that for subscriptions
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Apple's always like, here, charge 25.
Oh my. God, how about the Apple
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Just like I'm sure it's for something I'm like.
Yeah, that makes sense. I probably paid for that.
Yeah, whatever that is, I'm probably subscribed.
Out of control. I mean I have Peacock, Hulu,
HBO, Netflix, Disney plus, Paramount, probably some other
ones. Most likely.
Yeah, out of control. So $4.00, I'll subscribe.
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What's It's nothing at the end of the day.
I found that in my couch. Like, come on.
The foreknowledge is not going to make or break anything.
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You could sell locks of hair. Yeah, you could go like cut a
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In someone's yard for $4. You could also do like ASMR
videos or. Honestly, I can't with those.
I used to watch them with a friend of mine.
It was. No, it was mukbangs.
Oh no. Where they would eat stuff like
that. It was, it was quite a, it was a
thing. It was interesting.
To partake in what I did like with a guilty pleasure is the
what are they like the crane videos.
Oh, the smashing. The satisfying smashes.
Love those. Except for I don't like when
it's all over the place like and it's not.
No, I need it to come out perfectly like smooth.
Yes, it needs to be smooth. It needs to be a symmetrical.
Yep, it can't. Yep.
Yeah, like I liked the crayon ones.
Crayon. Crayon.
OK, I don't know.
So I. Feel like I enunciate things a
lot more than. I don't think either of us are.
Wrong. No, I don't think so either.
But it's crayon. Crayon mayonnaise.
How do you what? How do you say mayonnaise?
Mayonnaise. Mayonnaise.
You say mayonnaise? Yeah.
Mayonnaise. Mayonnaise.
A lot of people here, and you know what else we have coming up
is the. The serial killer thing.
Yes, yes. I'm so excited.
So honestly, I forgot about it and then I was like, wait, did
we miss it? But it's on 13th.
It's on the 13th and it's so it's like a workshop of sorts,
right? It's a doctor that's.
In that specializes in the psychology behind.
Serial pillars, yeah. So we're going to learn all
about that. And we're going to hopefully
record portions of it if that's allowed.
I doubt it is, but I'm going to bring a little recorder.
And we our goal is to be able to get an interview with her and
ask some questions. So when will this episode come
out? I'm not sure.
I would say middle of May, maybe towards the end of May.
I would like to put it out maybe.
No, this set it out right now that we're recording.
Oh, I would say probably after. If we do it before, then if we,
if, if we. OK, we can put this out.
We can put this out before. And so that way we could like
ask if anyone wants it has any questions to ask her.
And that video? We'll be on the.
Patreon. That's right.
Yep, that is right. So we'll, we'll have all kinds
of questions. It's going to be a good time.
It's going to be freaking awesome.
We are hoping to pick her brain on just everything that we want
to know. Yeah, at least.
Everything we want to know with the triangle if there is a
triangle. I feel like there's there has to
be there has to be a triangle. Like a requirement.
Of sorts, yeah. So they need to have
qualifications, that's it prior to, that's it, committing.
And how do they like I know when I watch shows, I'm like, OK, so
you know, he fits the profile, but I'm like, how did they get
to the profile? You know what I'm saying?
Like OK, how did they know what his?
Age. He was going to be right in his
mid to late 40s, right? Whatever.
That's what I think is. So is bald interesting?
Has glasses? Yeah.
Most likely has a mustache. Mustache.
They always have a mustache. They have to have a mustache.
They think it makes them blend in or.
Something. Yeah.
And is it truly like their relationship with their parents?
Did it start there? Did you know is it?
Always what room they're raised in.
Like how do they know these things?
I mean poverty level, whether it be low or it's.
Very interesting and I I want to know, I don't know if she's like
a profiler, but I think that she has some sort of background.
Yeah, and her name, I can't remember what it is, but I'll
look it up and tell you later. It'll but it comes to me.
It's gonna be really cool. The reviews on it are pretty
unbelievable. Yeah, she's on tour.
Yeah, she's on tour for. For this I'm going to figure out
what her name is. Like I said, I think that you
guys are really going to enjoy it.
It's going to be a great time. The psychology of serial killers
is the name of the thingy. 1 moment please keep going.
Oh God, this doesn't have her name.
Oh no. Oh, shoot.
This is the worst podcast episode we've ever We should.
Quit now. Yeah.
Oh no, I can't. I can't guarantee you I could
find it right now. I was just hoping that it was in
my. Oh, the ticket.
In my e-mail, yeah. But Nope, that's not it.
That's all right guys. We'll figure it out later and
tell you so there's again, I have lists of, of cases that
people want us to do and we are on, we have our own list that we
need to get through 1st that research we've done already and
then we're going to get to those.
Yeah, eventually. Like there's a lot of cases that
people want us to cover, yes, but.
And every single one that's been sent to us, we have taken a note
of yes, and we will start. Researching and a lot of them
are very like very good. They're very good and they're
also very involved cases that don't, it's not going to be just
like, you know, a day's worth of research.
And her name is Doctor Rachel Tolles.
There we go. We got there.
Doctor Rachel Tolles. It says it's a true crime event
that dives deep into one of the most disturbing and fascinating
subjects of our time, serial killers.
I'm so so pumped about. That she's a renowned clinical
psychologist and criminal expert.
Oh, so she works with profiling? I mean, if you're.
I guess she's a criminal expert. I feel like she should.
And a psychologist. Yeah, be able to do that, yeah.
And is my hope. Anyway, so that'll be exciting.
That will also, like we said, be on the Patreon and it's.
Going to be a good time. Yeah, and eventually we'll do
cases too that aren't serial killers, that are just straight
up things like that. And I mean all like pandemics,
you know, stuff like that. Just, you know, things that are
disturbing. Yep.
Things that are unsettling, dark, twisted.
That's it. Yeah, dark and twisty.
So yeah, we'll get, we'll get to there.
I'm pumped. Yeah, it's going to be a great
time. Well.
What the fuck are we listening to this time?
We are listening to me talk. What's the case it is?
A case This person is not a serial killer.
Oh cool. Oh yeah, this person only killed
one person. You see how that all circled?
Back we always circle. It Back we always circle.
Just like in an e-mail, Yep, you just circle it back.
So this case, I'm just going to get into it and that's it.
OK, so on a crisp morning. Oh, I already love it.
In Dublin. I love it more.
On March 30th of 2005. I love that day.
Three friends, Me too, who? I'm just kidding.
Who were strolling along the Royal Canal near Croke Park in
Dublin, they made a discovery that marked the beginning of one
of the most disturbing murder investigation investigations in
this country's history. So what they initially thought
was a discarded mannequin. It's never a mannequin it.
Was in body, wasn't it? It was.
It's never a mannequin. I'll tell you how.
I will tell you that they thought it was a discarded
mannequin floating in a plastic bag, so it turned out to be a
human leg and it was still wearing a sock.
Oh yeah. Cozy.
That is so nice that they left the sock.
On oh, there's this whole other case about like a foot.
Anyway, it isn't OK Severed feet.
Over the following days, the Garda sub Aqua Divers recovered
additional remains. There were seven body parts in
total, but crucial elements, including the victim's head and
penis, were never found. OK, that is.
That's cool, because where is it?
Yeah, where did they go? Are they together?
Are they in each other? Are they next to each other?
So what initially appeared to be an unidentifiable,
unidentifiable dismemberment case would soon unravel into a
deeply unsettling story and involved two sisters, their
mother, and a prolonged act of violence that shocked the entire
nation and attracted so much media attention.
So this is an O5, like I said. And so that doesn't feel like
that long. It's like 2 minutes ago.
It really was 2 minutes ago. So the Royal Canal dismemberment
case involved Linda and Charlotte Mulhall.
They were ended up being known as the Scissor Sisters, which I
didn't want to put that in there, but I had to because it's
good. All righty, yeah.
Dublin what is happening? Who I who decided that that was
a good, that was a good idea? But over there they say things
that here. We sound so ignorant.
No. Over there, they say words that
are just like, you know, OK, no. No, you know what they call
cigarettes over there? Oh yeah, they do call them that
thing. So it's different, you know what
I mean? Yes, because that word here.
Is not that bad. It is.
So Scissor Sisters here might be different they.
Could just legitimately be scissors.
They are cutting. They're cutting with scissors,
cutters, cutter sisters. Yep, sharp cutter scissors.
I mean sisters. The Dublin murder cases stands
out even among, like, Irish, Irish.
So it stands out even among Irish true crime cases for its
shocking brutality. OK.
Justice Paul Carney, presiding at the Dublin Central Criminal
Court, would later describe it as the most grotesque killing he
had encountered in his entire professional career at the
bench. It's interesting how a lot of
people say that I was for like every fucking.
Just thinking the same thing. Every time it's the worst.
It's the worst that they've ever seen, yes.
So are they lying? Well.
There's so many yeah situations. There are, and also there's
different people presiding over different cases.
And there's. So it really could be the.
Duration of them being a judge or a justice, yeah, that
probably is in their career when they say that.
Most likely. Detective Daniel Kenna,
reflecting on the case later, stated that while he had worked
on many murders, this one stood apart due to both the mutilation
of the body and the fact that it was carried out by women, making
it particularly gruesome. Which that was a little rude, I
mean, because it was carried out by men.
Super rude, yeah. Women can do anything man can
do. Man.
Women can do anything man can. Woman can be man.
That's right, But I mean, I guess it's particularly gruesome
because it's women. Are we supposed to be dainty?
I. Clean.
I mean, is it because there's a Dick missing?
And probably they're probably like, ah.
They're probably like, wow. Yeah, that was wow.
This is Buster. Gruesome.
Yeah, grotesque. Yeah.
So the individuals at the center of these kids, I got to get back
in there somehow. I'm just like picturing the men,
like the Chief Justice or whatever, and then they.
See that they're like. They're just like, there's a
Dick missing, like they're like. Where is it?
They're like, I couldn't even imagine, like, you know what I
mean? Yes.
So anyways. The individuals at the center of
the case were members of the Mulhall family who lived in
Kilcare Gardens, which is a working class area in Tall God
yes S Dublin. The family consisted of John and
Kathleen Mulhall and their six children.
There were three boys and three girls.
Oh, Brady Bunch. Oh yeah, The Brady Bunch,
Kathleen. Originally, Kathleen Ward came
from the traveling community. What that means, I don't know.
I didn't look into that, but I'm assuming that they travel.
Yeah, they're probably backpackers.
Or something like that. Yeah.
The household environment was unstable, and John Mulhall was
alleged to have been abusive towards Kathleen.
Their marriage eventually broke down, but the instability within
the family persisted. In 2002, Kathleen entered into a
relationship with Farrah Saleh Noor.
I'm going to say the name. That's an Arab name, so it
sounds like it. So it's probably Farrah Saleh
Noor. A man whose own It's a man.
I knew that I I put this down. I had done this a while ago now.
Her name is now she's a man. Scissor Sister really circling
back. A man, a woman can do anything
man can. That is the name of the podcast
episode, I mean. So Farah, I guess.
Farah. It's probably Farah.
He's going to call him Noor, OK? That's his last name.
It's a man whose own history was marked by deception and
violence. So Noor, he was 40 years old at
the time of his death, had arrived in Ireland in December
of 1996 under false pretenses, claiming to be a Somali refugee
named Shalila Salim, whose family had been killed during
the Somali civil war investigations.
Under false pretenses, yeah. So yeah, no here.
Well, I mean, I mean, that was. His family being killed is sad.
I don't know if that's an actual because it's under.
He came there under false pretenses.
So that could be all be lying, yes.
OK, but if it's not a lie. Then it's on.
Yeah. OK.
But if it is, Boo, Yeah. Investigations later reveal that
he was actually Kenyan and his family was still alive.
I don't remember anything that I wrote down.
So how do you confuse? I guess they didn't during that
time period. I'm assuming this was pre a lot
of like terrorist attacks a lot of you know.
True. A lot of war.
A lot. Of yeah, I mean, there was
definitely war prior to, but I guess it coming into countries
wasn't that intense of a thing. Yeah.
Despite this, he remained in Ireland and was granted
citizenship in March of 1999 after fathering a child with an
Irish born woman. Nora's life in Ireland was
characterized by repeated violence.
He had convictions for intoxication, threatening an
abusive behavior and assault. In 97, he raped a mentally
disabled 16 year old Chinese girl who later gave birth to his
child. Just sit with that for a minute.
He sucks. Yeah.
That is, that's bad. Yeah, yeah.
That's extra bad. Yeah.
I'm wondering what he did back home in order to like if he was
fleeing something like something that he did there.
Yeah, I feel like that. You don't just go.
From lying to get into a country.
Right. You didn't live like a pristine
clean, you know. Raping a mentally challenged
person. Overnight.
That's not an overnight thing. That's not a / a year thing.
That is, that is, you've been doing.
You've been. Doing shitty shit type of person
yes. That you can do that with, yes.
That's so messed up. So two other women also reported
being raped by him and had children as a result as well.
God, he is fertile. Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
He faced multiple charges, including one involving a knife
found at the scene of a sexual assault.
Yet despite 3 convictions, he never served time in prison.
Guardia described him as particularly violent towards
women. That's a really good How did you
get to that? Conclusion Conclusion that is a
a profiler. Yeah, wow, actually he's raped
4. So he is a bad, bad, bad man bad
guy. His relationship with Kathleen
Mulhall was also reportedly abusive.
According to later reports, Kathleen had been hospitalized
multiple times with injuries sustained during their
relationship, including fractured ribs.
At the same time, Kathleen's daughters, Linda and Charlotte,
were living lives shaped by instability, addiction and
violence. Linda at this time was going to
be age 30, had left school early and was unemployed.
She had four children and a history of a heroin addiction
and alcohol abuse. That's sad.
It is sad. I mean, living a life like that,
I mean, you don't want to be there.
You want to escape that, Yes. There's no way in hell that
you'd want to be it's, and it's hard to figure out another way
to go about it. Yeah, I mean.
It's, it's super sad, yes. After separating from the father
of her children, she entered into a relationship with Wayne
Kinsella, who subjected her children to severe abuse,
including beating them with an electrical flex.
What is that? I don't know.
Is that like a cord? I want to say that it probably
is. Yeah, like a plug.
Right. Or like a surge protector?
Or like a really cool plug. Like a heroin plug.
Like a flex? It's a flex bro.
The abuse led to an investigation, the removal of
the children into care, and a seven-year prison sentence for
Kinsella. Linda also had a prior
conviction for larceny in 1993. Charlotte, age 21, similarly
struggled with drug and alcohol abuse.
She had multiple minor convictions for criminal damage
and public order offenses and had been sentenced under the
Probation Act in October of 2005.
She was also involved in sex work and the Guardia later
described the sister's upbringing as quote UN quote,
troubled and tough. What again?
He was bad. They had hard time.
They did their best. What they?
Oh, absolutely. They absolutely did their best.
And he said, or the Guardia said, that it reflected both
their environment and personal histories.
The events that led directly to the killing that occurred on
March 20th of 2005 during Saint Patrick's Day weekend, Those
events, the events events led to that.
OK. That's what we're we're
building. We're building up to that.
We're building, yes. On that day, Linda and
Charlotte, along with their mother Kathleen and Noor, had
been drinking heavily in the Dublin city center.
The gathering escalated into what was described as a drug and
alcohol fueled session involving vodka and ecstasy.
Been there, You know what I mean?
Love that it happened, you know it happened.
I don't think that it's probably the best combination for an
abusive, you know, bunch. No, but usually the ecstasy
makes you happy. Everybody's happy and.
Everyone's having a good time in.
Touch with them stuff. It's so.
Soft yay. Oh shit, I got excited.
OK, not for them. They later returned to
Kathleen's flat and where Kathleen crushed an XC tablet
into Noor's drink so that they were all on the same buzz.
I mean, again, been there, we just.
Wanted to everyone be. We just wanted to everybody.
Everybody. Every lover.
Yes, everyone needs to be on this day.
I don't know how you determine how much someone else needs.
I don't know either, but he's big man.
Needs more stuff. Yep.
Big man's needs more. I won't do anything Man can do,
man's can do. Woman.
As the evening progressed, Linda and Nor were seated together on
the couch with Charlotte sitting nearby.
So remember, Noor was very abusive for Kathleen to
Kathleen. Kathleen's the mom.
Yep. So Noor began making aggressive
sexual advances towards Linda. Whoa.
Speaking into her ear, placing his.
I mean, they did give him some more ecstasy.
Does that make sense? You know, it's the ecstasy.
I'm not surprised by this. It's.
Just like, hey, yeah, there you go.
But really loud. Hey trying to be like sexy and
and quiet. Aren't they in a club or
something? No, they're now at home on a
couch. Oh.
Boring. I hope they're playing tents.
Placing his arms around her waist and refusing to release
her, Kathleen became screaming and a confrontation ensued.
During this escalation, Kathleen allegedly instructed her
daughters to just kill him. For me, which I mean it's say
stuff. I mean, I guess like you can.
I'm sure she's thought it over the years.
Yeah. You know, like God I you I wish
you fucking. I wish you.
I want to kill you, you know? Yeah.
But then it was. Now it's time, yeah.
To do I wish you would do this I'm all.
Hopped up on ecstasy. Right.
It's time to fucking kill him. Yeah, I need you to do.
It and I think it's a good idea because everything feels so
soft. I'll do anything for you.
Mom, yeah, it's kind of fucked up that the mom made told them
to do that, especially when they're all like high and drunk.
Yeah, it very manipulative. I mean, killing people is.
Is. Is bad bad time.
Shouldn't do it. No, the violence that followed
was immediate and extreme. So they they didn't, they
didn't. There was no pause there.
They were just like. Kill him.
Got. It.
Yeah. Charlotte picked up a Stanley
knife. I don't know what a Stanley
knife is. I know what Stanley's are.
Stanley Cups?
Yep. And a Stanley Cup can do some
damage. Yeah, they're pretty heavy.
Yeah, and slash nor across the throat.
Oh, I think I know what a Stanley knife is.
Is it? It's just a knife.
It is. We'll put a picture of one in
the show notes. We always say that and I don't
do. It we'll put a picture of him.
There's nothing there. It's just you.
Hi. Just a note inflicting So she
slashed him across the throat, inflicting a severe wound that
caused him to fall then. I would fall too, yeah.
Then she proceeded to stab him repeatedly, reportedly
inflicting as many as 27 stab wounds.
They went off. Then Linda joined in, striking
Norm multiple times in the head with a claw hammer.
Don't know why there was one just readily available.
Whoa. But that's intense.
Yeah, they're all just fucking going at it, yes.
I mean, their mom said so. Yeah, they're just listening.
They are. They're doing the best they can.
Throughout the attack, Kathleen remained present, observing but
not physically participating, nor was ultimately stabbed like
over 20 times before succumbing to his injuries.
Following Noor's death, the violence continued in a
prolonged and methodical manner. So they did extra shit
afterwards. Yeah, they cut his Dick off.
Yeah, the sisters scissors sisters dragged his body into
the bathroom where they began to dismember it.
I don't know, like they just, they popped off.
Yeah. Like there was no waiting.
There was no time. That is very intense.
Honestly, to be a family on the wall, not for the actual murder
part, but just like the build up.
Yeah, like what? Where was the snap?
And once their mom said something I guess.
I know, but I want to see the argument what it looks like.
Do you know what I'm saying? Also, I would like to see what
it looks like on a person's face like when they.
Yeah, you know what I mean when they.
Not when they die, but like when the they're like they go from
fine to I'm going to murder. You.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Where's right I want to see?
That when the snap happens. So the sisters dragged the body
into the bathroom, where they began to dismember it.
They were using a kitchen knife and a hammer.
They removed his head, his limbs and his penis.
Towels were placed over his legs in an attempt to stem the flow
of blood, and the process of dismemberment lasted several
hours on the bathroom floor. Oh my God, do you know how hard
it is to cut through bone? I don't with a kitchen knife.
Yeah. And a hammer.
They probably were like Ant. And then they just like, dunk,
dunk, dunk. Yeah.
You guys know what we're talking about.
Yeah. The remains were placed in a
black past in a black in a pen and a black and black plastic
bags and a sports bag. The sisters then made multiple
trips to dispose to. We're going to get there to
dispose of the body parts in the Royal Canal.
However, they deliberately not, they deliberately chose not to
dispose of the head in the canal, fearing it could lead to
identification. Makes sense?
Instead, they transported the head by bus.
No. No, they just put it on the bus.
There's like, take them home. One way, one way ticket to
anywhere. To Talcott, carrying it
discreetly, and they walked through the Square Shopping
Centre and proceeded to Sean Walsh Memorial Park, where
Charlotte dug a hole with a knife and buried the head.
That's a. Really stupid way to dig a hole.
I know. I guess the only tools that they
had readily available period, they could have gotten a spoon.
Yeah, something. Anything.
Their hands. Their hands.
Yeah, something could have worked better than a knife.
It's OK, they're on drugs. Use his teeth.
Oh, like the head's teeth. Yeah, just like I.
Feel like that would look, Really.
What are you doing? Oh, nothing.
What's that man? A spoon?
Meanwhile, Kathleen cleaned the crime scene and disposed of the
weapons by throwing whatever they had used in a nearby pond.
Which you should bury. Weapons.
Yeah, you should 100%. Always bury the weapon.
No, not necessarily. Depending on where you're
burying it. Well, I think you need to bleach
it. Probably.
And get your prints off of it. Yes, and then if there's any
other matching utensils similar to it, get out of your house.
Yes, you cannot get. Rid of all of it.
You don't want to have the whole knife set except for.
One because. You're like, where'd that go?
I don't know somebody. Borrowed it.
I don't know what happened. I gave it to my yeah dog, yeah.
Give it to my dog. I don't know.
Several days later, I used it to shovel.
Yeah. Several days later, Linda
returned to the park, dug up the head and placed it in her son's
school bag. I don't know what she's thinking
at this point. She's not.
She's not doing so good. Hold on.
She's not doing so hot. They brought the head back, OK.
She transported it to a field in the Killinarden estate where she
smashed it further with a hammer and burying it again.
That shit is starting to stink though, come on.
Despite extensive searches, Noor's head and penis were never
recovered. OK.
So they definitely hit it well. They hit it good.
They did. They did what they did.
Believing they had avoided detection, the family continued
their lives until 10 days later when Noor's leg was discovered
floating in the canal. So back up a little bit, yes.
Why do you think they cut his Weiner off?
Probably because he was a sexual predator.
Oh. It was just like a.
Yeah, like a fuck you. Power move.
Got it. Like this is the thing that
caused. Yeah, so much damage.
Pain weapon. Yeah, it's the.
Thing. So North Lake was discovered
floating in the canal. This discovery triggered
triggered triggered a full investigation.
Former detective Superintendent Frank Ken Keenagon later
described the case as particularly gruesome and
shocking, noting that the details of the murder and
dismemberment became the subject of widespread public attention
and discussion across the country, which no doubt.
Yeah. Hello.
It's still causing that, Yeah, to this day.
So the Guardia recovered additional remains and
eventually identified Noor when a member of the public
recognized AT shirt on the recovered torso.
Oh God. It was a Somali man that
connected the remains to Noor and was paid a substantial
reward by Crime Stoppers, which is pretty cool.
That is so cool. Pretty cool.
I didn't know they actually paid the reward.
Yeah, they actually do the thing.
So if you have any tips. I'm calling them.
I'm going to put them in my phone, yeah.
The sisters and their parents were arrested in August of 2005
but initially denied any involvement.
That makes sense. I would too, yeah.
I just feel like I didn't do that.
No, it's not me. I don't know him.
I mean, I don't have his Dick in my in my.
House Yeah, in my hand. Progress in the investigation
were made limited until Linda contacted the Guardia and
confessed to her role in the killing.
She provided A voluntary statement at her home and there
was a subsequent search of the flat that revealed blood stains
that were later confirmed to match Noor's DNA.
So now they're just, you know. So only one of them claimed,
yes, OK. I'm assuming that she.
OK, hold on. There's more.
Yeah. Following Linda's confession,
Kathleen fled to England in September of 05, where she
remained until January of 2008. She was like, bye.
Yeah, she said. I don't.
I don't got to go. Bye permanent vacation.
I got a job in December of 2005, after Linda and Charlotte were
formally charged with the murder, their father John died
by suicide in Phoenix Park. Oh my.
More information about this I don't have.
Dang. But then that's that.
It's like you're not taking my Weiner.
No, the trial of Linda and Charlotte took place in October
of O6 at the Central Criminal Court.
They both pleaded not guilty. Whoa.
Even though Linda shared? Yeah.
I did it. I'm just kidding.
Just kidding. Who's my mom?
Charlotte was convicted of murder and received a mandatory
life sentence. Linda was convicted of
manslaughter, with the jury accepting her defense of
provocation, and she was sentenced to 15 years in prison.
So I guess her her confession helps because manslaughter is
less. Weightless.
Than the murder thing. Justice Paul Carney described
the crime as the most grotesque killing that has occurred in his
professional lifetime. Both women appealed their
sentences, but their appeals were denied.
Even the one that had 15 years, she was like, I'm gonna appeal.
Yeah, interesting. Everyone appealed.
Just do your time. I know.
Do your you got lucky? Yes, they did, but I feel like
if I was in that situation, even, even if I like putting
myself as a murderer, I would want to appeal, be like, maybe
they'll let me out. I guess, yeah, that makes sense,
yeah. Just like there's a chance.
It's. Also, what else am I doing?
Might as well appeal, right? I've been good.
Yeah, I woke up on time. Kathleen returned to Ireland
voluntarily in 08 in February of 08 and face charges including
providing false information and concealing evidence.
She pleaded guilty to helping clean the crime scene and was
sentenced to five years in prison.
Whoa, five whole years? Wow.
So she escaped from the situation.
Yep, she totally absconded. Whoa.
And was involved, right? She didn't do any killing I.
Wiped the blood. Down I was cleaning, Yeah.
And I didn't. It was ketchup.
I didn't do. It I didn't know that I was
just. Wiping.
And it was five years in prison. That was it.
Dang, in May of 2009 was when she was sentenced.
The aftermath of the case continued to generate attention.
Obviously you know the head. Course Dick all of it.
It's a pretty interesting. It is a pretty interesting case.
And it's three women. Yes.
And a mom. And two daughters.
Yes, it was a family affair. Oh yeah, it was.
It's an affair if a Dick is involved.
Linda struggled in prison, turning to alcohol and engaging
in self harm, including slashing her wrists, which led to her
being sectioned and hospitalized.
I want to know is this like toilet wine?
What alcohol? Well.
It's not like they're bringing bottles in.
They can't be. It's.
Probably that. I mean you can get like heroin
and shit in prison. What?
Do they call? What do they call the the
alcohol in there that they make I.
Thought it was the toilet wine. There's something else that they
call it. It's not.
I can't remember, I'll have to. Think like the illegal one.
Yeah, where they make it out of fruit and it fermented and it
ferments and. That's what wine is.
Well, yeah, but it's still it's homemade.
Homemade wine? Yeah, homemade wine in the
toilet. Alcohol.
I forgot where I was, but I'm going to find it, OK?
In 2009, she revealed to her fellow inmates that she smashed
Nora's head and disposed of fragments in the rubbish bins
around Phoenix Park, a revelation referred to as the
quote UN quote final secret of the case.
Hooch. Hooch.
Or prison wine. So you're right about.
That yes. I was thinking about something
else though, like you know, when they used to smuggle the
drinking when there was like prohibition, but what is but?
What was it? Moonshine.
That's it.
I don't think they. Lunar.
Moonshine. I don't think they can make
moonshine. I'm pretty sure they probably
need a lot of. A lot of.
Metal bins fire. They need lots of moon.
Charlotte also remained A controversial figure while
initially incarcerated in Mount Joy Prison.
She was later transferred to Limerick Prison after a 2008
incident in which she was photographed holding a knife to
the throat of a male prisoner. So I don't know what type of
prison system this was. Males and women's together,
apparently. Men's and women.
Apparently men's and women's. That's a lot of prison babies, I
feel. That would be, yeah, that would
be an obscene amount of prison. Babies in the prison, they must
have a maternity ward. I would assume so if this is the
case. If this was like a Coed.
In a preschool. Type of thing.
Yeah, they would have to Community.
Oh, it is. It's a commune.
Additional reports describe further controversies, including
allegations of inappropriate relationships, possession of
alcohol in her cell, and an incident in which she allegedly
used heated hair tongs to burn another inmate.
This is this prison needs to be. Reformed.
Like it needs a full. It needs a full.
What is it like when they go a search?
Yeah, you know what I'm talking. About we sound so dumb.
We haven't been to prison, OK? Like a it's not a search and
rescue. That's it's not that.
So search and search and sees. Sees.
Sees and.
Disses wearing seizures. Isn't there a phrase?
Yes, probably. Like a.
Like a prison search, but it's it's something.
Like a specific something shakedown.
Oh. Shaky down, yes.
Downward shaking. Yes, I remembered something.
Prison searches or shakedowns? Despite all of that that
happened, most recent reports suggested that she had
participated in education and fitness programs and had been
and had been described as a model prisoner, despite the
knife holdings, the inappropriate relationships, the
alkalols. The.
Killing the hair, the hot hair tongs, the killing yourself was
was. The other one got it, got it,
got it. She was hospitalized, yeah.
Sounds like a model prisoner to me.
Honestly, in that prison it probably is.
She probably stood out from the other one.
In contrast, Linda was released in 2018 after serving more than
12 years of her sentence. Upon release, she declined to
speak publicly, stating that she wished to move on with her life.
That's. Too bad, too bad.
Yeah, so sad. We.
Want to know? Yeah, I'm going to need to.
I need some secret. Need we need the T info?
It's believed that she relocated to the UK seeking anonymity.
While in prison, she developed an interest in beauty therapy.
What's beauty thing? I don't know, like, but I feel
like maybe skin like or just like maybe she just looks
herself in the mirror and she's like, you're beautiful.
You are pretty. Affirmation.
Yeah. OK, interesting.
Therapy's expensive. I mean, you might have to work.
Look at yourself. The case also affected other
members of the family. Their brother James later
pleaded guilty to robbing 2 prostitutes.
I don't know why like he just I guess he felt so inclined.
He just admitted. Yeah, stating he committed the
crimes to support both his own children and Linda's children,
whom he had taken in following her imprisonment.
So yeah, he just kind of openly confessed.
He felt left out. I guess or he maybe he felt
shame which good on him. I mean, maybe.
Or guilt or something, right? Potentially.
But also people are probably like, asking questions and
stuff. And he just couldn't deal with
the pressure. Yeah.
And I was like, I robbed. Somebody sex workers.
Family relationships remain strained.
Kathleen, the mom, later stated publicly that she had little to
no contact with Linda after her release.
But remember, she only served five years, yeah, but maintained
a close relationship with Charlotte, describing her as my
life. Oh God, relatable.
Charlotte was fully released in January 8th of 2026.
Whoa. Like the other day, yeah.
Holy shit. Approximately 20 years after the
killing, she was granted temporary release as part of her
rehabilitation. So like during the role she
would get like let out of the prison and she had to come back
and then she would have like longer stays thing.
Yeah, OK. She.
Could like stay with family or whatever she just build
confidence and. Smart.
I guess they allow that. Yeah.
You know, like slowly acclimate, yeah, back into society.
I feel like that. And then you watch them during
this process. It's not like a full release
because if you do full release, the likelihood of reoffending is
much higher. 100%. Because it's a shock recidivism.
Is that what it's called? I don't know.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I have no idea what that word
is. I've never heard it in my life.
Hold on. We're going to find it.
Please hold. You can keep going.
Oh, OK, great. I'm just staring at you.
OK. So the temporary releases like
overnight stay with family up to, you know, the full release.
I'm right? It's recidivism.
Recidivism. OK.
Oh like re civilizing? Yes, I see.
So when you keep going back and back.
Comes from the Latin phrase Yep, recidivizations.
Yep, it's repeat offenders, recidivists.
Are, but she's not a repeat offender.
But no, we were talking about people who get let out.
And then? They get to go back and whether.
They're fully released. I was not thinking the same.
You're okay. Wavelengths were different.
Hey, that's why I'm here. The Mulhall Sisters case remains
one of the most disturbing in Irish criminal history.
It's a combination of extreme violence, prolonged
dismemberment, familial involvement and the unsettling
normalcy of actions taken afterwards, such as transporting
remains through public spaces. The.
Head in the Wiener. Yeah, we still don't know where
those are. That is.
Crazy anyone in Ireland? Start digging.
Start digging now and then call Crime Stoppers and then use
Hashtag Crime. I wonder what the reward is of
finding a head in a Wiener. I don't think you could find the
Wiener anymore. It would it would have to be
fully. There's no rain it.
Would be by the skull, but you wouldn't know it.
No, unless it's dental records. With the Wiener.
Recidivism the Head Aaron the.
Hair. I know, I know.
It's just funny. So it's left a lasting impact on
Ireland. I mean, yeah, it's the craziest
case. It is bananas.
Yeah, it really is. Yeah.
Because you don't hear that. You don't.
You don't hear, you know, you're my mom and her daughters.
Well, it's like the only Dick removal case that I know of is
Loretta Bobbitt. Yeah.
Who chopped her husband's Dick off because he was committing
adultery? It makes sense, yeah, I mean,
but. We love, we praise Loretta.
Oh yeah. We praise her.
Amen. Amen.
Hand up. Yeah, hand up to the sky.
Yeah. OK, honestly, that was good.
It was come to our church service I was going to.
Say Church of Crime. Church of Crime, Yeah, that'd
be. Simple.
We should have a group Church of crime.
I feel like we could do something with that.
I feel like we could. We're trade marking it.
Don't take it. Don't you dare ours.
Crimes Church. Church so like I was saying, it
left a lasting impact. As one investigator noted, the
case forced many to confront not only the brutality of the ACT
itself, but the disturbing reality of how such acts could
unfold within an ordinary domestic setting.
Right. And then I have a references
which will be in the show notes. So that was that whole entire
thing. But also I had a thought.
I really did. So I think it's interesting
that, and you might have said this earlier, maybe that this
family could have been normal and nobody fucking suspected.
No. That this family was, I mean,
they were being abused by this guy, right?
Yes, the mom was for sure. And then, yes, he was also very,
like, handsy and, like, sexually over with the daughters, yeah.
But on the outside we don't know if that was shown to the.
Public. No, not.
Like their neighbors? Yeah, and most of the time I
would talk more about the victims, but he sucked, yeah.
No, he was a piece of. Shit, so I mean, honestly, just.
Honestly, good on them. I mean on them.
It's giving. Goodbye, Earl.
Yeah, right. But it doesn't seem like so.
We've recorded this in two days like we recorded.
One yes, I can always go back. So I want to know was he missed?
Not that I'm aware of. So then how?
Oh, because his body parts were found, correct?
Sorry, Yes, So if they had hid him better.
I don't think that anything would have.
They would have ever, because who's coming missing him?
No one. They.
Because he came there on his own.
Yeah, under false. Pretense.
Exactly. Probably fleeing some shady
shit. They could have really got away
with. Murder.
They could have. They could have, but they
didn't. Don't throw it in the water.
I mean just. Just bury it like put.
Them where the head and the Wiener are.
Right. Just bury it somewhere.
Yeah, there's plenty of space somewhere.
I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of pigs in Ireland.
That will happily eat it. Yeah, they'll eat anything.
Pigs will eat an entire body. Pigs are so gross.
Pigs are nasty. But you like bacon.
I'm not. I don't love bacon.
Amanda loves bacon. Yeah, Asian loves.
Bacon. I'm not the biggest fan of pork
in general. I mean, I like like pulled pork
sandwiches. Yeah, but that's really.
I'll do ham every once in a while.
Like ham salad I love. Ham ham, you like a BLT maybe?
I do like a BLT. I know it, yeah, because it has
me. I love mayonnaise too.
But only Hellman's. That's the only mayonnaise I.
Like so interesting. I like that one, but I also love
Dukes. I just like mayonnaise but do
not do no miracle whip. No, I just don't.
Weird it is. What is it?
Marshmallow fluff? I don't fucking know.
Oh, I like fluff. I mean, that's yeah, but it's
not mayonnaise. No, it's not mayonnaise.
No, I love it with some peanut butter, no.
Yeah, but it seems like it's the most unhealthy.
Yeah, because it's not. Real.
No, I mean, a lot of things we eat aren't but yeah, but we put
our foot down. We put our foot down on Miracle
Whip. Yes.
Like that's that's the line we will not cross.
Yeah, Prison, prison, Prison wine.
They should only have Miracle Whip in prison.
Yeah, just to honestly. Really punish them.
I think that would make a lot of sense.
Manny's is a pleasure they don't deserve.
No. Who's on the board of prison?
Get him on the line. This is so stupid.
Who cares? We do this for us, nobody else.
No, we do it for everybody. We love you guys.
We love, love. We love crime.
We love. Also I realized that the name of
the podcast is crimes we didn't commit, so we don't just have to
do murder. No, we could do any crime.
Yeah, it wasn't pointed out to me until I was at this wedding
rehearsal. Yeah.
And she was like, oh, you, That leaves it open.
And I was like, you know what it does?
It really does. Yes it does.
Well, and I like how this case was different because it wasn't
serial killer, you know? Yeah, I I think it's really,
really good. Yeah, thanks.
You're welcome. And I've also spoke to people
about my dad, about doing the case in reverse.
Yeah. And he was like, that's a great
idea. It is a great idea, it's just
tricky sometimes. Super.
Hard so next week that's the episode that's coming out it's
our first reverse episode it's. Going to be a great time.
So it's more of like along the lines of we.
Start at the end the. Crime itself and then the
investigation and how they. Got back to the killer, Yeah.
So it's honestly like a Figure 8 really.
Yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's kind of like at the
highways when they take the exits and there's.
And there's a loopy. But they all, they come back to
a road back. It zippers.
Zippers. Yeah, it's comes together.
This is zipper. Wow, Not a button zipper.
So yes, wait for next week. It's a really, really good case.
It's going to be a great time. And I'm so excited.
Yeah. So it's a good one, yeah.
So that's all we got. That is all we've got.
Also, the Patreon is going to be coming out.
Yep, keep an eye on that, we'll post about it.
Yeah. We still have the upcoming
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So that'll be great. We're going to put that on the
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