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I'm Aaron. 
And I'm Dana. 

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And this is. 
Crimes we didn't commit. 

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Well, another day, another no 
dollars, no. 

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No dollars here, we just do this
because we fucking like it. 

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Well, what would help us to get 
dollars is if you guys follow 

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the podcast on wherever you 
listen. 

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Like. 
Share. 

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Comment and commenting 
listening, period. 

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Listening period. 
Maybe listening a lot of times. 

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Yeah, just keep, repeat, repeat.
Just mute your phone and then 

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just put it on repeat. 
Playing it while you're 

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sleeping, yes, Yeah. 
And then the whole next day. 

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Full 8 hours of of. 
Place. 

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But guys know for real. 
That really helps us a lot. 

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It does so. 
It makes us so we can like keep 

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doing this and get better at it 
and, you know, get another 

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computer for research in. 
And that would be cool. 

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Or another microphone for 
guests, Yes, which would be 

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really nice because we have one 
coming, yeah. 

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We have a guest coming and she's
bringing a case. 

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She is it'll be like a like AI 
mean she's not from she's from 

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North. 
It's either going to be from 

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North Carolina or from Colorado.
OK, cool. 

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Because she's lives. 
She's lived in those places. 

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We have both hands up. 
Palms up. 

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So a plexus? 
And your shoulders up to your 

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ears? 
No, that'll be exciting. 

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Yeah, it's going to be a good 
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It's going to be fun. 
I'm excited. 

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Maybe she can tell us how to 
make bagels. 

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Maybe Yeah, honestly, I'll just 
watch her video. 

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It's really easy. 
Yeah, it looked super, super 

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easy. 
The first time she made bagels, 

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though, they looked dumb. 
Oh no, were they like flat? 

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They were like Dinky. 
Oh, we don't want Dinky. 

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But she definitely perfected the
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OK, that's good. 
Yeah, anyways, so what's going 

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on? 
My knee hurts. 

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Yeah, besides that. 
Well, my my toe. 

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Oh. 
Yeah, you cut off your foot. 

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My toe's gone. 
Her whole toe is amputated. 

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I feel like every time we're 
recording, I have an injury. 

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Yeah, whether it's your back. 
Yeah, my back, my my toe, my 

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neck, whatever. 
My and my. 

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But I mean, we can still walk. 
Oh yeah, I was talking to my dad

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again. 
He's like our biggest critic. 

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And he said that when we said, 
remember blood spatter. 

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Is it blood splatter? 
No, wait. 

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It's but it's blood spatter. 
Yes, it is spatter. 

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I got it right the first one. 
You were saying splatter? 

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You were saying splatter? 
I said splatter and it's 

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spatter. 
I said spatter, and then I was 

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like, maybe it's splatter. 
I didn't know what it was, so I 

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was equally wrong. 
Definitely. 

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Splatter. 
Thanks, Dad. 

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Yep, thanks dad. 
Shout out. 

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Appreciate you so much. 
Yeah, thanks for being 

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disappointed. 
Also. 

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We try medium hard to know 
things. 

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We're medium smart, yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So we're going to, that's what 
we're going to give you. 

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Well, we were talking the other 
day on the phone and we were 

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saying how dumb we sound on the 
podcast, but we're not dumb. 

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No, we're not. 
It's The thing is that we're 

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saying all of our thoughts out 
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And I don't know about everyone 
else in the world, but like my 

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thoughts are not all. 
Nope. 

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Yeah, Yep. 
And so there is nothing that I 

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like when we're talking on this 
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There is nothing in my brain 
that's not coming. 

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Out. 
Yeah, no filter. 

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Here, it's not here. 
No, no, this is the filterless 

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room. 
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And eventually when we have, we 
have the Patreon. 

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We just need to actually put 
shit on it. 

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Yes, so coming soon. 
You'll have the Super 

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unfiltered. 
Coming soon and it's going to be

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called the inner circle. 
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And we're going to have extra 
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just fun little the. 
Bloopers, the bloopers, whatever

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it is. 
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Maybe case updates on like 
current cases. 

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Yeah, things like that. 
A little bit more engagement 

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with our followers. 
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So it's gonna be really fun. 
It's it's gonna be a good time. 

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Yeah. 
I'm very much looking forward to

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it. 
It's only gonna be like $4.00 a 

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month. 
Oh yeah, that's nothing. 

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Which is. 
I pay that for subscriptions 

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that I don't even know what they
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Apple's always like, here, 
charge 25. 

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Oh my. 
God, how about the Apple 

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charges? 
I'm always like 999149 I'm. 

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Just like I'm sure it's for 
something I'm like. 

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Yeah, that makes sense. 
I probably paid for that. 

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Yeah, whatever that is, I'm 
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Out of control. 
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HBO, Netflix, Disney plus, 
Paramount, probably some other 

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ones. 
Most likely. 

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Yeah, out of control. 
So $4.00, I'll subscribe. 

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Yeah, you got it. 
What's that? 

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What's It's nothing at the end 
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I found that in my couch. 
Like, come on. 

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The foreknowledge is not going 
to make or break anything. 

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At. 
The end of the day, like if 

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that's what's making or breaking
it then it's then don't buy 

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anything. 
And how are you listening to 

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this podcast? 
Sell your phone. 

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Sell it, sell your phone, or 
just sell your computer. 

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If you're using a computer or if
you have a computer. 

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Shit, you can post like a 
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Marketplace. 
Or your foot. 

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Or your foot, yeah. 
Or you could offer like. 

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You could sell locks of hair. 
Yeah, you could go like cut a 

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Bush. 
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In someone's yard for $4. 
You could also do like ASMR 

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videos or. 
Honestly, I can't with those. 

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I used to watch them with a 
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It was. 
No, it was mukbangs. 

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Oh no. 
Where they would eat stuff like 

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that. 
It was, it was quite a, it was a

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thing. 
It was interesting. 

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To partake in what I did like 
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what are they like the crane 
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Oh, the smashing. 
The satisfying smashes. 

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Love those. 
Except for I don't like when 

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it's all over the place like and
it's not. 

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No, I need it to come out 
perfectly like smooth. 

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Yes, it needs to be smooth. 
It needs to be a symmetrical. 

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Yep, it can't. 
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Yeah, like I liked the crayon 
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Crayon. 
Crayon. 

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Crayon. 
OK, I don't know. 

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So I. 
Feel like I enunciate things a 

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lot more than. 
I don't think either of us are. 

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Wrong. 
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But it's crayon. 
Crayon mayonnaise. 

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How do you what? 
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Mayonnaise. 
Mayonnaise. 

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You say mayonnaise? 
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Mayonnaise. 
Mayonnaise. 

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A lot of people here, and you 
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is the. 
The serial killer thing. 

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Yes, yes. 
I'm so excited. 

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So honestly, I forgot about it 
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we miss it? 
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It's on the 13th and it's so 
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right? 
It's a doctor that's. 

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In that specializes in the 
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Serial pillars, yeah. 
So we're going to learn all 

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about that. 
And we're going to hopefully 

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record portions of it if that's 
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I doubt it is, but I'm going to 
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And we our goal is to be able to
get an interview with her and 

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ask some questions. 
So when will this episode come 

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out? 
I'm not sure. 

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I would say middle of May, maybe
towards the end of May. 

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I would like to put it out 
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No, this set it out right now 
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Oh, I would say probably after. 
If we do it before, then if we, 

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if, if we. 
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We can put this out before. 
And so that way we could like 

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ask if anyone wants it has any 
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And that video? 
We'll be on the. 

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Patreon. 
That's right. 

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Yep, that is right. 
So we'll, we'll have all kinds 

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of questions. 
It's going to be a good time. 

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It's going to be freaking 
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We are hoping to pick her brain 
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to know. 
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Everything we want to know with 
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triangle. 
I feel like there's there has to

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be there has to be a triangle. 
Like a requirement. 

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Of sorts, yeah. 
So they need to have 

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qualifications, that's it prior 
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And how do they like I know when
I watch shows, I'm like, OK, so 

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you know, he fits the profile, 
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to the profile? 
You know what I'm saying? 

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Like OK, how did they know what 
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Age. 
He was going to be right in his 

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mid to late 40s, right? 
Whatever. 

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That's what I think is. 
So is bald interesting? 

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Has glasses? 
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Most likely has a mustache. 
Mustache. 

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They always have a mustache. 
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They think it makes them blend 
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Something. 
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And is it truly like their 
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Did it start there? 
Did you know is it? 

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Always what room they're raised 
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Like how do they know these 
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I mean poverty level, whether it
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Very interesting and I I want to
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a profiler, but I think that she
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Yeah, and her name, I can't 
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look it up and tell you later. 
It'll but it comes to me. 

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It's gonna be really cool. 
The reviews on it are pretty 

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unbelievable. 
Yeah, she's on tour. 

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Yeah, she's on tour for. 
For this I'm going to figure out

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what her name is. 
Like I said, I think that you 

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guys are really going to enjoy 
it. 

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It's going to be a great time. 
The psychology of serial killers

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is the name of the thingy. 1 
moment please keep going. 

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Oh God, this doesn't have her 
name. 

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Oh no. 
Oh, shoot. 

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This is the worst podcast 
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Quit now. 
Yeah. 

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Oh no, I can't. 
I can't guarantee you I could 

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find it right now. 
I was just hoping that it was in

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my. 
Oh, the ticket. 

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In my e-mail, yeah. 
But Nope, that's not it. 

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That's all right guys. 
We'll figure it out later and 

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tell you so there's again, I 
have lists of, of cases that 

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people want us to do and we are 
on, we have our own list that we

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need to get through 1st that 
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then we're going to get to 
those. 

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Yeah, eventually. 
Like there's a lot of cases that

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people want us to cover, yes, 
but. 

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And every single one that's been
sent to us, we have taken a note

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of yes, and we will start. 
Researching and a lot of them 

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are very like very good. 
They're very good and they're 

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also very involved cases that 
don't, it's not going to be just

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like, you know, a day's worth of
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And her name is Doctor Rachel 
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There we go. 
We got there. 

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Doctor Rachel Tolles. 
It says it's a true crime event 

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that dives deep into one of the 
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subjects of our time, serial 
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I'm so so pumped about. 
That she's a renowned clinical 

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psychologist and criminal 
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Oh, so she works with profiling?
I mean, if you're. 

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I guess she's a criminal expert.
I feel like she should. 

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And a psychologist. 
Yeah, be able to do that, yeah. 

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And is my hope. 
Anyway, so that'll be exciting. 

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That will also, like we said, be
on the Patreon and it's. 

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Going to be a good time. 
Yeah, and eventually we'll do 

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cases too that aren't serial 
killers, that are just straight 

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up things like that. 
And I mean all like pandemics, 

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you know, stuff like that. 
Just, you know, things that are 

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disturbing. 
Yep. 

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Things that are unsettling, 
dark, twisted. 

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That's it. 
Yeah, dark and twisty. 

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So yeah, we'll get, we'll get to
there. 

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I'm pumped. 
Yeah, it's going to be a great 

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time. 
Well. 

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What the fuck are we listening 
to this time? 

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We are listening to me talk. 
What's the case it is? 

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A case This person is not a 
serial killer. 

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Oh cool. 
Oh yeah, this person only killed

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one person. 
You see how that all circled? 

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Back we always circle. 
It Back we always circle. 

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Just like in an e-mail, Yep, you
just circle it back. 

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So this case, I'm just going to 
get into it and that's it. 

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OK, so on a crisp morning. 
Oh, I already love it. 

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In Dublin. 
I love it more. 

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On March 30th of 2005. 
I love that day. 

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Three friends, Me too, who? 
I'm just kidding. 

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Who were strolling along the 
Royal Canal near Croke Park in 

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Dublin, they made a discovery 
that marked the beginning of one

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of the most disturbing murder 
investigation investigations in 

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this country's history. 
So what they initially thought 

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was a discarded mannequin. 
It's never a mannequin it. 

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Was in body, wasn't it? 
It was. 

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It's never a mannequin. 
I'll tell you how. 

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I will tell you that they 
thought it was a discarded 

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mannequin floating in a plastic 
bag, so it turned out to be a 

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human leg and it was still 
wearing a sock. 

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Oh yeah. 
Cozy. 

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That is so nice that they left 
the sock. 

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On oh, there's this whole other 
case about like a foot. 

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Anyway, it isn't OK Severed 
feet. 

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Over the following days, the 
Garda sub Aqua Divers recovered 

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additional remains. 
There were seven body parts in 

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total, but crucial elements, 
including the victim's head and 

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penis, were never found. 
OK, that is. 

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That's cool, because where is 
it? 

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Yeah, where did they go? 
Are they together? 

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Are they in each other? 
Are they next to each other? 

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So what initially appeared to be
an unidentifiable, 

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unidentifiable dismemberment 
case would soon unravel into a 

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deeply unsettling story and 
involved two sisters, their 

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mother, and a prolonged act of 
violence that shocked the entire

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nation and attracted so much 
media attention. 

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So this is an O5, like I said. 
And so that doesn't feel like 

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that long. 
It's like 2 minutes ago. 

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It really was 2 minutes ago. 
So the Royal Canal dismemberment

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case involved Linda and 
Charlotte Mulhall. 

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They were ended up being known 
as the Scissor Sisters, which I 

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didn't want to put that in 
there, but I had to because it's

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good. 
All righty, yeah. 

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Dublin what is happening? 
Who I who decided that that was 

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a good, that was a good idea? 
But over there they say things 

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that here. 
We sound so ignorant. 

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No. 
Over there, they say words that 

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are just like, you know, OK, no.
No, you know what they call 

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cigarettes over there? 
Oh yeah, they do call them that 

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thing. 
So it's different, you know what

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I mean? 
Yes, because that word here. 

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Is not that bad. 
It is. 

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So Scissor Sisters here might be
different they. 

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Could just legitimately be 
scissors. 

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They are cutting. 
They're cutting with scissors, 

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cutters, cutter sisters. 
Yep, sharp cutter scissors. 

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I mean sisters. 
The Dublin murder cases stands 

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out even among, like, Irish, 
Irish. 

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So it stands out even among 
Irish true crime cases for its 

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shocking brutality. 
OK. 

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Justice Paul Carney, presiding 
at the Dublin Central Criminal 

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Court, would later describe it 
as the most grotesque killing he

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had encountered in his entire 
professional career at the 

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bench. 
It's interesting how a lot of 

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people say that I was for like 
every fucking. 

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Just thinking the same thing. 
Every time it's the worst. 

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It's the worst that they've ever
seen, yes. 

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So are they lying? 
Well. 

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There's so many yeah situations.
There are, and also there's 

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different people presiding over 
different cases. 

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And there's. 
So it really could be the. 

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Duration of them being a judge 
or a justice, yeah, that 

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probably is in their career when
they say that. 

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Most likely. 
Detective Daniel Kenna, 

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reflecting on the case later, 
stated that while he had worked 

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on many murders, this one stood 
apart due to both the mutilation

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of the body and the fact that it
was carried out by women, making

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it particularly gruesome. 
Which that was a little rude, I 

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mean, because it was carried out
by men. 

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Super rude, yeah. 
Women can do anything man can 

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do. 
Man. 

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Women can do anything man can. 
Woman can be man. 

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That's right, But I mean, I 
guess it's particularly gruesome

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because it's women. 
Are we supposed to be dainty? 

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I. 
Clean. 

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I mean, is it because there's a 
Dick missing? 

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And probably they're probably 
like, ah. 

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They're probably like, wow. 
Yeah, that was wow. 

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This is Buster. 
Gruesome. 

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Yeah, grotesque. 
Yeah. 

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So the individuals at the center
of these kids, I got to get back

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in there somehow. 
I'm just like picturing the men,

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like the Chief Justice or 
whatever, and then they. 

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See that they're like. 
They're just like, there's a 

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Dick missing, like they're like.
Where is it? 

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They're like, I couldn't even 
imagine, like, you know what I 

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mean? 
Yes. 

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So anyways. 
The individuals at the center of

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the case were members of the 
Mulhall family who lived in 

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Kilcare Gardens, which is a 
working class area in Tall God 

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yes S Dublin. 
The family consisted of John and

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Kathleen Mulhall and their six 
children. 

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There were three boys and three 
girls. 

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Oh, Brady Bunch. 
Oh yeah, The Brady Bunch, 

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Kathleen. 
Originally, Kathleen Ward came 

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from the traveling community. 
What that means, I don't know. 

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I didn't look into that, but I'm
assuming that they travel. 

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Yeah, they're probably 
backpackers. 

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Or something like that. 
Yeah. 

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The household environment was 
unstable, and John Mulhall was 

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alleged to have been abusive 
towards Kathleen. 

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Their marriage eventually broke 
down, but the instability within

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the family persisted. 
In 2002, Kathleen entered into a

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relationship with Farrah Saleh 
Noor. 

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I'm going to say the name. 
That's an Arab name, so it 

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sounds like it. 
So it's probably Farrah Saleh 

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Noor. 
A man whose own It's a man. 

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I knew that I I put this down. 
I had done this a while ago now.

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Her name is now she's a man. 
Scissor Sister really circling 

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back. 
A man, a woman can do anything 

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man can. 
That is the name of the podcast 

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episode, I mean. 
So Farah, I guess. 

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Farah. 
It's probably Farah. 

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He's going to call him Noor, OK?
That's his last name. 

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It's a man whose own history was
marked by deception and 

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violence. 
So Noor, he was 40 years old at 

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the time of his death, had 
arrived in Ireland in December 

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of 1996 under false pretenses, 
claiming to be a Somali refugee 

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named Shalila Salim, whose 
family had been killed during 

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the Somali civil war 
investigations. 

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Under false pretenses, yeah. 
So yeah, no here. 

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Well, I mean, I mean, that was. 
His family being killed is sad. 

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I don't know if that's an actual
because it's under. 

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He came there under false 
pretenses. 

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So that could be all be lying, 
yes. 

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OK, but if it's not a lie. 
Then it's on. 

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Yeah. 
OK. 

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But if it is, Boo, Yeah. 
Investigations later reveal that

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he was actually Kenyan and his 
family was still alive. 

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I don't remember anything that I
wrote down. 

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So how do you confuse? 
I guess they didn't during that 

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time period. 
I'm assuming this was pre a lot 

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of like terrorist attacks a lot 
of you know. 

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True. 
A lot of war. 

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A lot. 
Of yeah, I mean, there was 

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definitely war prior to, but I 
guess it coming into countries 

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wasn't that intense of a thing. 
Yeah. 

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Despite this, he remained in 
Ireland and was granted 

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citizenship in March of 1999 
after fathering a child with an 

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Irish born woman. 
Nora's life in Ireland was 

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characterized by repeated 
violence. 

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He had convictions for 
intoxication, threatening an 

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abusive behavior and assault. 
In 97, he raped a mentally 

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disabled 16 year old Chinese 
girl who later gave birth to his

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child. 
Just sit with that for a minute.

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He sucks. 
Yeah. 

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That is, that's bad. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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That's extra bad. 
Yeah. 

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I'm wondering what he did back 
home in order to like if he was 

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fleeing something like something
that he did there. 

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Yeah, I feel like that. 
You don't just go. 

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From lying to get into a 
country. 

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Right. 
You didn't live like a pristine 

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clean, you know. 
Raping a mentally challenged 

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person. 
Overnight. 

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That's not an overnight thing. 
That's not a / a year thing. 

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That is, that is, you've been 
doing. 

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You've been. 
Doing shitty shit type of person

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yes. 
That you can do that with, yes. 

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That's so messed up. 
So two other women also reported

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being raped by him and had 
children as a result as well. 

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God, he is fertile. 
Yeah, yeah, I guess so. 

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He faced multiple charges, 
including one involving a knife 

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found at the scene of a sexual 
assault. 

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Yet despite 3 convictions, he 
never served time in prison. 

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Guardia described him as 
particularly violent towards 

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women. 
That's a really good How did you

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get to that? 
Conclusion Conclusion that is a 

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a profiler. 
Yeah, wow, actually he's raped 

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4. 
So he is a bad, bad, bad man bad

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guy. 
His relationship with Kathleen 

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Mulhall was also reportedly 
abusive. 

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According to later reports, 
Kathleen had been hospitalized 

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multiple times with injuries 
sustained during their 

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relationship, including 
fractured ribs. 

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At the same time, Kathleen's 
daughters, Linda and Charlotte, 

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were living lives shaped by 
instability, addiction and 

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violence. 
Linda at this time was going to 

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be age 30, had left school early
and was unemployed. 

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She had four children and a 
history of a heroin addiction 

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and alcohol abuse. 
That's sad. 

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It is sad. 
I mean, living a life like that,

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I mean, you don't want to be 
there. 

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You want to escape that, Yes. 
There's no way in hell that 

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you'd want to be it's, and it's 
hard to figure out another way 

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to go about it. 
Yeah, I mean. 

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It's, it's super sad, yes. 
After separating from the father

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of her children, she entered 
into a relationship with Wayne 

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Kinsella, who subjected her 
children to severe abuse, 

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including beating them with an 
electrical flex. 

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What is that? 
I don't know. 

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Is that like a cord? 
I want to say that it probably 

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is. 
Yeah, like a plug. 

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Right. 
Or like a surge protector? 

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Or like a really cool plug. 
Like a heroin plug. 

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Like a flex? 
It's a flex bro. 

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The abuse led to an 
investigation, the removal of 

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the children into care, and a 
seven-year prison sentence for 

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Kinsella. 
Linda also had a prior 

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conviction for larceny in 1993. 
Charlotte, age 21, similarly 

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struggled with drug and alcohol 
abuse. 

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She had multiple minor 
convictions for criminal damage 

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and public order offenses and 
had been sentenced under the 

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Probation Act in October of 
2005. 

462
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,880
She was also involved in sex 
work and the Guardia later 

463
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,680
described the sister's 
upbringing as quote UN quote, 

464
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,360
troubled and tough. 
What again? 

465
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,520
He was bad. 
They had hard time. 

466
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,320
They did their best. 
What they? 

467
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Oh, absolutely. 
They absolutely did their best. 

468
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,480
And he said, or the Guardia 
said, that it reflected both 

469
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,040
their environment and personal 
histories. 

470
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,880
The events that led directly to 
the killing that occurred on 

471
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,480
March 20th of 2005 during Saint 
Patrick's Day weekend, Those 

472
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,360
events, the events events led to
that. 

473
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,680
OK. 
That's what we're we're 

474
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,760
building. 
We're building up to that. 

475
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,680
We're building, yes. 
On that day, Linda and 

476
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,920
Charlotte, along with their 
mother Kathleen and Noor, had 

477
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,440
been drinking heavily in the 
Dublin city center. 

478
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,680
The gathering escalated into 
what was described as a drug and

479
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,120
alcohol fueled session involving
vodka and ecstasy. 

480
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Been there, You know what I 
mean? 

481
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,880
Love that it happened, you know 
it happened. 

482
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,440
I don't think that it's probably
the best combination for an 

483
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,200
abusive, you know, bunch. 
No, but usually the ecstasy 

484
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,360
makes you happy. 
Everybody's happy and. 

485
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,480
Everyone's having a good time 
in. 

486
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,000
Touch with them stuff. 
It's so. 

487
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,320
Soft yay. 
Oh shit, I got excited. 

488
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,200
OK, not for them. 
They later returned to 

489
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,480
Kathleen's flat and where 
Kathleen crushed an XC tablet 

490
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,680
into Noor's drink so that they 
were all on the same buzz. 

491
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840
I mean, again, been there, we 
just. 

492
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200
Wanted to everyone be. 
We just wanted to everybody. 

493
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Everybody. 
Every lover. 

494
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Yes, everyone needs to be on 
this day. 

495
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,960
I don't know how you determine 
how much someone else needs. 

496
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,360
I don't know either, but he's 
big man. 

497
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Needs more stuff. 
Yep. 

498
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:26,840
Big man's needs more. 
I won't do anything Man can do, 

499
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,920
man's can do. 
Woman. 

500
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,720
As the evening progressed, Linda
and Nor were seated together on 

501
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,960
the couch with Charlotte sitting
nearby. 

502
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,920
So remember, Noor was very 
abusive for Kathleen to 

503
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Kathleen. 
Kathleen's the mom. 

504
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,640
Yep. 
So Noor began making aggressive 

505
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240
sexual advances towards Linda. 
Whoa. 

506
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaking into her ear, placing 
his. 

507
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,160
I mean, they did give him some 
more ecstasy. 

508
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Does that make sense? 
You know, it's the ecstasy. 

509
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,000
I'm not surprised by this. 
It's. 

510
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,160
Just like, hey, yeah, there you 
go. 

511
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,800
But really loud. 
Hey trying to be like sexy and 

512
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,960
and quiet. 
Aren't they in a club or 

513
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,640
something? 
No, they're now at home on a 

514
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,400
couch. 
Oh. 

515
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Boring. 
I hope they're playing tents. 

516
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Placing his arms around her 
waist and refusing to release 

517
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,680
her, Kathleen became screaming 
and a confrontation ensued. 

518
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,160
During this escalation, Kathleen
allegedly instructed her 

519
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,040
daughters to just kill him. 
For me, which I mean it's say 

520
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,000
stuff. 
I mean, I guess like you can. 

521
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,160
I'm sure she's thought it over 
the years. 

522
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,160
Yeah. 
You know, like God I you I wish 

523
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,960
you fucking. 
I wish you. 

524
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,720
I want to kill you, you know? 
Yeah. 

525
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,520
But then it was. 
Now it's time, yeah. 

526
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,280
To do I wish you would do this 
I'm all. 

527
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Hopped up on ecstasy. 
Right. 

528
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,160
It's time to fucking kill him. 
Yeah, I need you to do. 

529
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,280
It and I think it's a good idea 
because everything feels so 

530
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,920
soft. 
I'll do anything for you. 

531
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:59,600
Mom, yeah, it's kind of fucked 
up that the mom made told them 

532
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,680
to do that, especially when 
they're all like high and drunk.

533
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,360
Yeah, it very manipulative. 
I mean, killing people is. 

534
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,520
Is. 
Is bad bad time. 

535
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,160
Shouldn't do it. 
No, the violence that followed 

536
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,680
was immediate and extreme. 
So they they didn't, they 

537
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,360
didn't. 
There was no pause there. 

538
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,440
They were just like. 
Kill him. 

539
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,080
Got. 
It. 

540
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Yeah. 
Charlotte picked up a Stanley 

541
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,880
knife. 
I don't know what a Stanley 

542
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,200
knife is. 
I know what Stanley's are. 

543
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,760
I know what Stanley's are. 
Stanley Cups? 

544
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Yep. 
And a Stanley Cup can do some 

545
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,920
damage. 
Yeah, they're pretty heavy. 

546
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Yeah, and slash nor across the 
throat. 

547
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Oh, I think I know what a 
Stanley knife is. 

548
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Is it? 
It's just a knife. 

549
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,120
It is. 
We'll put a picture of one in 

550
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,840
the show notes. 
We always say that and I don't 

551
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,920
do. 
It we'll put a picture of him. 

552
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,640
There's nothing there. 
It's just you. 

553
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:48,040
Hi. 
Just a note inflicting So she 

554
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,160
slashed him across the throat, 
inflicting a severe wound that 

555
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,720
caused him to fall then. 
I would fall too, yeah. 

556
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,520
Then she proceeded to stab him 
repeatedly, reportedly 

557
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,320
inflicting as many as 27 stab 
wounds. 

558
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,400
They went off. 
Then Linda joined in, striking 

559
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Norm multiple times in the head 
with a claw hammer. 

560
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640
Don't know why there was one 
just readily available. 

561
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Whoa. 
But that's intense. 

562
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Yeah, they're all just fucking 
going at it, yes. 

563
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,000
I mean, their mom said so. 
Yeah, they're just listening. 

564
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,360
They are. 
They're doing the best they can.

565
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,240
Throughout the attack, Kathleen 
remained present, observing but 

566
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,280
not physically participating, 
nor was ultimately stabbed like 

567
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680
over 20 times before succumbing 
to his injuries. 

568
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,240
Following Noor's death, the 
violence continued in a 

569
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,560
prolonged and methodical manner.
So they did extra shit 

570
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,200
afterwards. 
Yeah, they cut his Dick off. 

571
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Yeah, the sisters scissors 
sisters dragged his body into 

572
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600
the bathroom where they began to
dismember it. 

573
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,640
I don't know, like they just, 
they popped off. 

574
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,840
Yeah. 
Like there was no waiting. 

575
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,160
There was no time. 
That is very intense. 

576
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Honestly, to be a family on the 
wall, not for the actual murder 

577
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,600
part, but just like the build 
up. 

578
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,000
Yeah, like what? 
Where was the snap? 

579
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,400
And once their mom said 
something I guess. 

580
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,800
I know, but I want to see the 
argument what it looks like. 

581
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Do you know what I'm saying? 
Also, I would like to see what 

582
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,560
it looks like on a person's face
like when they. 

583
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Yeah, you know what I mean when 
they. 

584
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Not when they die, but like when
the they're like they go from 

585
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,000
fine to I'm going to murder. 
You. 

586
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Yes, that's what I'm saying. 
Where's right I want to see? 

587
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,880
That when the snap happens. 
So the sisters dragged the body 

588
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,920
into the bathroom, where they 
began to dismember it. 

589
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,800
They were using a kitchen knife 
and a hammer. 

590
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,000
They removed his head, his limbs
and his penis. 

591
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Towels were placed over his legs
in an attempt to stem the flow 

592
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,160
of blood, and the process of 
dismemberment lasted several 

593
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,720
hours on the bathroom floor. 
Oh my God, do you know how hard 

594
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,720
it is to cut through bone? 
I don't with a kitchen knife. 

595
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Yeah. 
And a hammer. 

596
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,640
They probably were like Ant. 
And then they just like, dunk, 

597
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,560
dunk, dunk. 
Yeah. 

598
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,400
You guys know what we're talking
about. 

599
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Yeah. 
The remains were placed in a 

600
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:14,640
black past in a black in a pen 
and a black and black plastic 

601
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,240
bags and a sports bag. 
The sisters then made multiple 

602
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,120
trips to dispose to. 
We're going to get there to 

603
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,360
dispose of the body parts in the
Royal Canal. 

604
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,600
However, they deliberately not, 
they deliberately chose not to 

605
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080
dispose of the head in the 
canal, fearing it could lead to 

606
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,080
identification. 
Makes sense? 

607
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Instead, they transported the 
head by bus. 

608
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,680
No. 
No, they just put it on the bus.

609
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,480
There's like, take them home. 
One way, one way ticket to 

610
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,800
anywhere. 
To Talcott, carrying it 

611
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,520
discreetly, and they walked 
through the Square Shopping 

612
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Centre and proceeded to Sean 
Walsh Memorial Park, where 

613
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,960
Charlotte dug a hole with a 
knife and buried the head. 

614
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,920
That's a. 
Really stupid way to dig a hole.

615
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800
I know. 
I guess the only tools that they

616
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,480
had readily available period, 
they could have gotten a spoon. 

617
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Yeah, something. 
Anything. 

618
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Their hands. 
Their hands. 

619
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Yeah, something could have 
worked better than a knife. 

620
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,720
It's OK, they're on drugs. 
Use his teeth. 

621
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Oh, like the head's teeth. 
Yeah, just like I. 

622
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Feel like that would look, 
Really. 

623
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,000
What are you doing? 
Oh, nothing. 

624
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,640
What's that man? 
A spoon? 

625
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Meanwhile, Kathleen cleaned the 
crime scene and disposed of the 

626
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,160
weapons by throwing whatever 
they had used in a nearby pond. 

627
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Which you should bury. 
Weapons. 

628
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,480
Yeah, you should 100%. 
Always bury the weapon. 

629
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,520
No, not necessarily. 
Depending on where you're 

630
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,440
burying it. 
Well, I think you need to bleach

631
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,800
it. 
Probably. 

632
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,800
And get your prints off of it. 
Yes, and then if there's any 

633
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,280
other matching utensils similar 
to it, get out of your house. 

634
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,320
Yes, you cannot get. 
Rid of all of it. 

635
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,600
You don't want to have the whole
knife set except for. 

636
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,600
One because. 
You're like, where'd that go? 

637
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,760
I don't know somebody. 
Borrowed it. 

638
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,840
I don't know what happened. 
I gave it to my yeah dog, yeah. 

639
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,280
Give it to my dog. 
I don't know. 

640
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Several days later, I used it to
shovel. 

641
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Yeah. 
Several days later, Linda 

642
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,240
returned to the park, dug up the
head and placed it in her son's 

643
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,040
school bag. 
I don't know what she's thinking

644
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,920
at this point. 
She's not. 

645
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,520
She's not doing so good. 
Hold on. 

646
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,120
She's not doing so hot. 
They brought the head back, OK. 

647
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,400
She transported it to a field in
the Killinarden estate where she

648
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,960
smashed it further with a hammer
and burying it again. 

649
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,600
That shit is starting to stink 
though, come on. 

650
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,560
Despite extensive searches, 
Noor's head and penis were never

651
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,480
recovered. 
OK. 

652
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480
So they definitely hit it well. 
They hit it good. 

653
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,800
They did. 
They did what they did. 

654
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,840
Believing they had avoided 
detection, the family continued 

655
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880
their lives until 10 days later 
when Noor's leg was discovered 

656
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,880
floating in the canal. 
So back up a little bit, yes. 

657
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,239
Why do you think they cut his 
Weiner off? 

658
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,239
Probably because he was a sexual
predator. 

659
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Oh. 
It was just like a. 

660
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,360
Yeah, like a fuck you. 
Power move. 

661
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,199
Got it. 
Like this is the thing that 

662
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
caused. 
Yeah, so much damage. 

663
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,400
Pain weapon. 
Yeah, it's the. 

664
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Thing. 
So North Lake was discovered 

665
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
floating in the canal. 
This discovery triggered 

666
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,920
triggered triggered a full 
investigation. 

667
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:41,400
Former detective Superintendent 
Frank Ken Keenagon later 

668
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,639
described the case as 
particularly gruesome and 

669
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,880
shocking, noting that the 
details of the murder and 

670
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,960
dismemberment became the subject
of widespread public attention 

671
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,520
and discussion across the 
country, which no doubt. 

672
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Yeah. 
Hello. 

673
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,080
It's still causing that, Yeah, 
to this day. 

674
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,800
So the Guardia recovered 
additional remains and 

675
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,360
eventually identified Noor when 
a member of the public 

676
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,880
recognized AT shirt on the 
recovered torso. 

677
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,440
Oh God. 
It was a Somali man that 

678
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,600
connected the remains to Noor 
and was paid a substantial 

679
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,360
reward by Crime Stoppers, which 
is pretty cool. 

680
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,960
That is so cool. 
Pretty cool. 

681
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,800
I didn't know they actually paid
the reward. 

682
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Yeah, they actually do the 
thing. 

683
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040
So if you have any tips. 
I'm calling them. 

684
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,560
I'm going to put them in my 
phone, yeah. 

685
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,760
The sisters and their parents 
were arrested in August of 2005 

686
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,200
but initially denied any 
involvement. 

687
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,200
That makes sense. 
I would too, yeah. 

688
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,400
I just feel like I didn't do 
that. 

689
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,920
No, it's not me. 
I don't know him. 

690
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,280
I mean, I don't have his Dick in
my in my. 

691
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:47,600
House Yeah, in my hand. 
Progress in the investigation 

692
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,000
were made limited until Linda 
contacted the Guardia and 

693
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,920
confessed to her role in the 
killing. 

694
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,000
She provided A voluntary 
statement at her home and there 

695
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600
was a subsequent search of the 
flat that revealed blood stains 

696
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,280
that were later confirmed to 
match Noor's DNA. 

697
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,160
So now they're just, you know. 
So only one of them claimed, 

698
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,080
yes, OK. 
I'm assuming that she. 

699
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,520
OK, hold on. 
There's more. 

700
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,840
Yeah. 
Following Linda's confession, 

701
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Kathleen fled to England in 
September of 05, where she 

702
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,360
remained until January of 2008. 
She was like, bye. 

703
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Yeah, she said. 
I don't. 

704
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,120
I don't got to go. 
Bye permanent vacation. 

705
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,520
I got a job in December of 2005,
after Linda and Charlotte were 

706
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,480
formally charged with the 
murder, their father John died 

707
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,640
by suicide in Phoenix Park. 
Oh my. 

708
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,760
More information about this I 
don't have. 

709
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,760
Dang. 
But then that's that. 

710
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,400
It's like you're not taking my 
Weiner. 

711
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,760
No, the trial of Linda and 
Charlotte took place in October 

712
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,160
of O6 at the Central Criminal 
Court. 

713
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920
They both pleaded not guilty. 
Whoa. 

714
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Even though Linda shared? 
Yeah. 

715
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,880
I did it. 
I'm just kidding. 

716
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Just kidding. 
Who's my mom? 

717
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,400
Charlotte was convicted of 
murder and received a mandatory 

718
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,720
life sentence. 
Linda was convicted of 

719
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,520
manslaughter, with the jury 
accepting her defense of 

720
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,760
provocation, and she was 
sentenced to 15 years in prison.

721
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,520
So I guess her her confession 
helps because manslaughter is 

722
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,760
less. 
Weightless. 

723
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,440
Than the murder thing. 
Justice Paul Carney described 

724
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,840
the crime as the most grotesque 
killing that has occurred in his

725
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,960
professional lifetime. 
Both women appealed their 

726
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960
sentences, but their appeals 
were denied. 

727
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Even the one that had 15 years, 
she was like, I'm gonna appeal. 

728
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,040
Yeah, interesting. 
Everyone appealed. 

729
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Just do your time. 
I know. 

730
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Do your you got lucky? 
Yes, they did, but I feel like 

731
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,040
if I was in that situation, 
even, even if I like putting 

732
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,520
myself as a murderer, I would 
want to appeal, be like, maybe 

733
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,480
they'll let me out. 
I guess, yeah, that makes sense,

734
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,480
yeah. 
Just like there's a chance. 

735
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,240
It's. 
Also, what else am I doing? 

736
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,680
Might as well appeal, right? 
I've been good. 

737
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Yeah, I woke up on time. 
Kathleen returned to Ireland 

738
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,040
voluntarily in 08 in February of
08 and face charges including 

739
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040
providing false information and 
concealing evidence. 

740
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,240
She pleaded guilty to helping 
clean the crime scene and was 

741
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,160
sentenced to five years in 
prison. 

742
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Whoa, five whole years? 
Wow. 

743
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,160
So she escaped from the 
situation. 

744
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,000
Yep, she totally absconded. 
Whoa. 

745
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,920
And was involved, right? 
She didn't do any killing I. 

746
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,640
Wiped the blood. 
Down I was cleaning, Yeah. 

747
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,080
And I didn't. 
It was ketchup. 

748
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,720
I didn't do. 
It I didn't know that I was 

749
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,400
just. 
Wiping. 

750
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,920
And it was five years in prison.
That was it. 

751
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,240
Dang, in May of 2009 was when 
she was sentenced. 

752
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,560
The aftermath of the case 
continued to generate attention.

753
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,040
Obviously you know the head. 
Course Dick all of it. 

754
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,120
It's a pretty interesting. 
It is a pretty interesting case.

755
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,520
And it's three women. 
Yes. 

756
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,200
And a mom. 
And two daughters. 

757
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,880
Yes, it was a family affair. 
Oh yeah, it was. 

758
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,200
It's an affair if a Dick is 
involved. 

759
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,880
Linda struggled in prison, 
turning to alcohol and engaging 

760
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,720
in self harm, including slashing
her wrists, which led to her 

761
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,040
being sectioned and 
hospitalized. 

762
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,240
I want to know is this like 
toilet wine? 

763
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,440
What alcohol? 
Well. 

764
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,000
It's not like they're bringing 
bottles in. 

765
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,120
They can't be. 
It's. 

766
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Probably that. 
I mean you can get like heroin 

767
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,200
and shit in prison. 
What? 

768
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,400
Do they call? 
What do they call the the 

769
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,960
alcohol in there that they make 
I. 

770
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,720
Thought it was the toilet wine. 
There's something else that they

771
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:49,120
call it. 
It's not. 

772
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,040
I can't remember, I'll have to. 
Think like the illegal one. 

773
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:59,320
Yeah, where they make it out of 
fruit and it fermented and it 

774
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,720
ferments and. 
That's what wine is. 

775
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Well, yeah, but it's still it's 
homemade. 

776
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,680
Homemade wine? 
Yeah, homemade wine in the 

777
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,560
toilet. 
Alcohol. 

778
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,600
I forgot where I was, but I'm 
going to find it, OK? 

779
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,360
In 2009, she revealed to her 
fellow inmates that she smashed 

780
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Nora's head and disposed of 
fragments in the rubbish bins 

781
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,880
around Phoenix Park, a 
revelation referred to as the 

782
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,040
quote UN quote final secret of 
the case. 

783
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,840
Hooch. 
Hooch. 

784
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Or prison wine. 
So you're right about. 

785
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,240
That yes. 
I was thinking about something 

786
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,600
else though, like you know, when
they used to smuggle the 

787
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,440
drinking when there was like 
prohibition, but what is but? 

788
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,160
What was it? 
Moonshine. 

789
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,080
Moonshine. 
That's it. 

790
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,560
I don't think they. 
Lunar. 

791
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,280
Moonshine. 
I don't think they can make 

792
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,840
moonshine. 
I'm pretty sure they probably 

793
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,400
need a lot of. 
A lot of. 

794
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,360
Metal bins fire. 
They need lots of moon. 

795
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,480
Charlotte also remained A 
controversial figure while 

796
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,080
initially incarcerated in Mount 
Joy Prison. 

797
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,160
She was later transferred to 
Limerick Prison after a 2008 

798
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
incident in which she was 
photographed holding a knife to 

799
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760
the throat of a male prisoner. 
So I don't know what type of 

800
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,120
prison system this was. 
Males and women's together, 

801
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,000
apparently. 
Men's and women. 

802
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,760
Apparently men's and women's. 
That's a lot of prison babies, I

803
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,120
feel. 
That would be, yeah, that would 

804
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,360
be an obscene amount of prison. 
Babies in the prison, they must 

805
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,480
have a maternity ward. 
I would assume so if this is the

806
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,200
case. 
If this was like a Coed. 

807
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,840
In a preschool. 
Type of thing. 

808
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,720
Yeah, they would have to 
Community. 

809
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,040
Oh, it is. 
It's a commune. 

810
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Additional reports describe 
further controversies, including

811
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,680
allegations of inappropriate 
relationships, possession of 

812
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,160
alcohol in her cell, and an 
incident in which she allegedly 

813
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,480
used heated hair tongs to burn 
another inmate. 

814
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,520
This is this prison needs to be.
Reformed. 

815
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Like it needs a full. 
It needs a full. 

816
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
What is it like when they go a 
search? 

817
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,480
Yeah, you know what I'm talking.
About we sound so dumb. 

818
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:29,600
We haven't been to prison, OK? 
Like a it's not a search and 

819
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,880
rescue. 
That's it's not that. 

820
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,680
So search and search and sees. 
Sees. 

821
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,400
Sees. 
Sees and. 

822
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:44,840
Disses wearing seizures. 
Isn't there a phrase? 

823
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,840
Yes, probably. 
Like a. 

824
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,840
Like a prison search, but it's 
it's something. 

825
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Like a specific something 
shakedown. 

826
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Oh. 
Shaky down, yes. 

827
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Downward shaking. 
Yes, I remembered something. 

828
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Prison searches or shakedowns? 
Despite all of that that 

829
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,320
happened, most recent reports 
suggested that she had 

830
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,520
participated in education and 
fitness programs and had been 

831
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,920
and had been described as a 
model prisoner, despite the 

832
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,920
knife holdings, the 
inappropriate relationships, the

833
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,320
alkalols. 
The. 

834
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,880
Killing the hair, the hot hair 
tongs, the killing yourself was 

835
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,760
was. 
The other one got it, got it, 

836
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,160
got it. 
She was hospitalized, yeah. 

837
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,520
Sounds like a model prisoner to 
me. 

838
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,240
Honestly, in that prison it 
probably is. 

839
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,200
She probably stood out from the 
other one. 

840
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,600
In contrast, Linda was released 
in 2018 after serving more than 

841
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,320
12 years of her sentence. 
Upon release, she declined to 

842
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,400
speak publicly, stating that she
wished to move on with her life.

843
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,680
That's. 
Too bad, too bad. 

844
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,240
Yeah, so sad. 
We. 

845
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,000
Want to know? 
Yeah, I'm going to need to. 

846
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,240
I need some secret. 
Need we need the T info? 

847
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,920
It's believed that she relocated
to the UK seeking anonymity. 

848
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,760
While in prison, she developed 
an interest in beauty therapy. 

849
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,480
What's beauty thing? 
I don't know, like, but I feel 

850
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,640
like maybe skin like or just 
like maybe she just looks 

851
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,240
herself in the mirror and she's 
like, you're beautiful. 

852
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,720
You are pretty. 
Affirmation. 

853
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Yeah. 
OK, interesting. 

854
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Therapy's expensive. 
I mean, you might have to work. 

855
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,800
Look at yourself. 
The case also affected other 

856
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,480
members of the family. 
Their brother James later 

857
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,880
pleaded guilty to robbing 2 
prostitutes. 

858
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
I don't know why like he just I 
guess he felt so inclined. 

859
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,240
He just admitted. 
Yeah, stating he committed the 

860
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,160
crimes to support both his own 
children and Linda's children, 

861
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,600
whom he had taken in following 
her imprisonment. 

862
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600
So yeah, he just kind of openly 
confessed. 

863
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,680
He felt left out. 
I guess or he maybe he felt 

864
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,520
shame which good on him. 
I mean, maybe. 

865
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Or guilt or something, right? 
Potentially. 

866
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,080
But also people are probably 
like, asking questions and 

867
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,240
stuff. 
And he just couldn't deal with 

868
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:17,960
the pressure. 
Yeah. 

869
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,720
And I was like, I robbed. 
Somebody sex workers. 

870
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,720
Family relationships remain 
strained. 

871
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,600
Kathleen, the mom, later stated 
publicly that she had little to 

872
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,880
no contact with Linda after her 
release. 

873
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,680
But remember, she only served 
five years, yeah, but maintained

874
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
a close relationship with 
Charlotte, describing her as my 

875
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,440
life. 
Oh God, relatable. 

876
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,040
Charlotte was fully released in 
January 8th of 2026. 

877
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,400
Whoa. 
Like the other day, yeah. 

878
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Holy shit. 
Approximately 20 years after the

879
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,120
killing, she was granted 
temporary release as part of her

880
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,600
rehabilitation. 
So like during the role she 

881
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
would get like let out of the 
prison and she had to come back 

882
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,400
and then she would have like 
longer stays thing. 

883
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,240
Yeah, OK. 
She. 

884
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,960
Could like stay with family or 
whatever she just build 

885
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,680
confidence and. 
Smart. 

886
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,560
I guess they allow that. 
Yeah. 

887
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,880
You know, like slowly acclimate,
yeah, back into society. 

888
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,600
I feel like that. 
And then you watch them during 

889
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,560
this process. 
It's not like a full release 

890
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,480
because if you do full release, 
the likelihood of reoffending is

891
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,640
much higher. 100%. 
Because it's a shock recidivism.

892
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,840
Is that what it's called? 
I don't know. 

893
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. 
I have no idea what that word 

894
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,880
is. 
I've never heard it in my life. 

895
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Hold on. 
We're going to find it. 

896
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Please hold. 
You can keep going. 

897
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,400
Oh, OK, great. 
I'm just staring at you. 

898
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,480
OK. 
So the temporary releases like 

899
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200
overnight stay with family up 
to, you know, the full release. 

900
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,200
I'm right? 
It's recidivism. 

901
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,440
Recidivism. 
OK. 

902
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,640
Oh like re civilizing? 
Yes, I see. 

903
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,400
So when you keep going back and 
back. 

904
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,440
Comes from the Latin phrase Yep,
recidivizations. 

905
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,760
Yep, it's repeat offenders, 
recidivists. 

906
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,280
Are, but she's not a repeat 
offender. 

907
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,240
But no, we were talking about 
people who get let out. 

908
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:24,720
And then? 
They get to go back and whether.

909
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,600
They're fully released. 
I was not thinking the same. 

910
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,400
You're okay. 
Wavelengths were different. 

911
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Hey, that's why I'm here. 
The Mulhall Sisters case remains

912
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,800
one of the most disturbing in 
Irish criminal history. 

913
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,360
It's a combination of extreme 
violence, prolonged 

914
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,720
dismemberment, familial 
involvement and the unsettling 

915
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,240
normalcy of actions taken 
afterwards, such as transporting

916
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,000
remains through public spaces. 
The. 

917
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,040
Head in the Wiener. 
Yeah, we still don't know where 

918
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,560
those are. 
That is. 

919
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,760
Crazy anyone in Ireland? 
Start digging. 

920
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,400
Start digging now and then call 
Crime Stoppers and then use 

921
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,760
Hashtag Crime. 
I wonder what the reward is of 

922
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,200
finding a head in a Wiener. 
I don't think you could find the

923
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,800
Wiener anymore. 
It would it would have to be 

924
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,920
fully. 
There's no rain it. 

925
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Would be by the skull, but you 
wouldn't know it. 

926
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,360
No, unless it's dental records. 
With the Wiener. 

927
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:34,760
Recidivism 
the Head Aaron the. 

928
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,680
Hair. 
I know, I know. 

929
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:43,920
It's just funny. 
So it's left a lasting impact on

930
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,240
Ireland. 
I mean, yeah, it's the craziest 

931
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,720
case. 
It is bananas. 

932
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:51,400
Yeah, it really is. 
Yeah. 

933
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,960
Because you don't hear that. 
You don't. 

934
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,960
You don't hear, you know, you're
my mom and her daughters. 

935
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,680
Well, it's like the only Dick 
removal case that I know of is 

936
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Loretta Bobbitt. 
Yeah. 

937
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,920
Who chopped her husband's Dick 
off because he was committing 

938
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,880
adultery? 
It makes sense, yeah, I mean, 

939
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,040
but. 
We love, we praise Loretta. 

940
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,880
Oh yeah. 
We praise her. 

941
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,040
Amen. 
Amen. 

942
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,720
Hand up. 
Yeah, hand up to the sky. 

943
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,760
Yeah. 
OK, honestly, that was good. 

944
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:31,240
It was come to our church 
service I was going to. 

945
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Say Church of Crime. 
Church of Crime, Yeah, that'd 

946
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,360
be. 
Simple. 

947
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,840
We should have a group Church of
crime. 

948
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,800
I feel like we could do 
something with that. 

949
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,440
I feel like we could. 
We're trade marking it. 

950
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,520
Don't take it. 
Don't you dare ours. 

951
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Crimes Church. 
Church so like I was saying, it 

952
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,440
left a lasting impact. 
As one investigator noted, the 

953
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,440
case forced many to confront not
only the brutality of the ACT 

954
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,040
itself, but the disturbing 
reality of how such acts could 

955
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,320
unfold within an ordinary 
domestic setting. 

956
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,600
Right. 
And then I have a references 

957
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,920
which will be in the show notes.
So that was that whole entire 

958
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,760
thing. 
But also I had a thought. 

959
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,160
I really did. 
So I think it's interesting 

960
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:20,000
that, and you might have said 
this earlier, maybe that this 

961
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,800
family could have been normal 
and nobody fucking suspected. 

962
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,920
No. 
That this family was, I mean, 

963
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,720
they were being abused by this 
guy, right? 

964
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,000
Yes, the mom was for sure. 
And then, yes, he was also very,

965
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
like, handsy and, like, sexually
over with the daughters, yeah. 

966
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,920
But on the outside we don't know
if that was shown to the. 

967
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,800
Public. 
No, not. 

968
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Like their neighbors? 
Yeah, and most of the time I 

969
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,240
would talk more about the 
victims, but he sucked, yeah. 

970
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,440
No, he was a piece of. 
Shit, so I mean, honestly, just.

971
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,480
Honestly, good on them. 
I mean on them. 

972
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,800
It's giving. 
Goodbye, Earl. 

973
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,200
Yeah, right. 
But it doesn't seem like so. 

974
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,240
We've recorded this in two days 
like we recorded. 

975
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:07,880
One yes, I can always go back. 
So I want to know was he missed?

976
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,200
Not that I'm aware of. 
So then how? 

977
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,920
Oh, because his body parts were 
found, correct? 

978
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,440
Sorry, Yes, So if they had hid 
him better. 

979
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,160
I don't think that anything 
would have. 

980
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,240
They would have ever, because 
who's coming missing him? 

981
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,600
No one. 
They. 

982
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,000
Because he came there on his 
own. 

983
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Yeah, under false. 
Pretense. 

984
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,840
Exactly. 
Probably fleeing some shady 

985
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,400
shit. 
They could have really got away 

986
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:31,840
with. 
Murder. 

987
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,080
They could have. 
They could have, but they 

988
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,520
didn't. 
Don't throw it in the water. 

989
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,920
I mean just. 
Just bury it like put. 

990
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Them where the head and the 
Wiener are. 

991
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,320
Right. 
Just bury it somewhere. 

992
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,800
Yeah, there's plenty of space 
somewhere. 

993
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,280
I mean, I'm sure there's plenty 
of pigs in Ireland. 

994
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,360
That will happily eat it. 
Yeah, they'll eat anything. 

995
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,240
Pigs will eat an entire body. 
Pigs are so gross. 

996
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,800
Pigs are nasty. 
But you like bacon. 

997
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,800
I'm not. 
I don't love bacon. 

998
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,320
Amanda loves bacon. 
Yeah, Asian loves. 

999
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Bacon. 
I'm not the biggest fan of pork 

1000
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,920
in general. 
I mean, I like like pulled pork 

1001
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,400
sandwiches. 
Yeah, but that's really. 

1002
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,840
I'll do ham every once in a 
while. 

1003
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,280
Like ham salad I love. 
Ham ham, you like a BLT maybe? 

1004
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,880
I do like a BLT. 
I know it, yeah, because it has 

1005
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,160
me. 
I love mayonnaise too. 

1006
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,680
But only Hellman's. 
That's the only mayonnaise I. 

1007
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,960
Like so interesting. 
I like that one, but I also love

1008
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,240
Dukes. 
I just like mayonnaise but do 

1009
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,360
not do no miracle whip. 
No, I just don't. 

1010
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Weird it is. 
What is it? 

1011
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,280
Marshmallow fluff? 
I don't fucking know. 

1012
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,320
Oh, I like fluff. 
I mean, that's yeah, but it's 

1013
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,720
not mayonnaise. 
No, it's not mayonnaise. 

1014
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,680
No, I love it with some peanut 
butter, no. 

1015
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,920
Yeah, but it seems like it's the
most unhealthy. 

1016
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,520
Yeah, because it's not. 
Real. 

1017
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:52,560
No, I mean, a lot of things we 
eat aren't but yeah, but we put 

1018
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,640
our foot down. 
We put our foot down on Miracle 

1019
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,280
Whip. 
Yes. 

1020
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Like that's that's the line we 
will not cross. 

1021
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,560
Yeah, Prison, prison, Prison 
wine. 

1022
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,040
They should only have Miracle 
Whip in prison. 

1023
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,920
Yeah, just to honestly. 
Really punish them. 

1024
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,680
I think that would make a lot of
sense. 

1025
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,600
Manny's is a pleasure they don't
deserve. 

1026
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,000
No. 
Who's on the board of prison? 

1027
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,920
Get him on the line. 
This is so stupid. 

1028
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,640
Who cares? 
We do this for us, nobody else. 

1029
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,200
No, we do it for everybody. 
We love you guys. 

1030
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,000
We love, love. 
We love crime. 

1031
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,440
We love. 
Also I realized that the name of

1032
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,320
the podcast is crimes we didn't 
commit, so we don't just have to

1033
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,560
do murder. 
No, we could do any crime. 

1034
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,840
Yeah, it wasn't pointed out to 
me until I was at this wedding 

1035
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,000
rehearsal. 
Yeah. 

1036
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,920
And she was like, oh, you, That 
leaves it open. 

1037
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,640
And I was like, you know what it
does? 

1038
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,800
It really does. 
Yes it does. 

1039
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,680
Well, and I like how this case 
was different because it wasn't 

1040
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,960
serial killer, you know? 
Yeah, I I think it's really, 

1041
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,760
really good. 
Yeah, thanks. 

1042
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,840
You're welcome. 
And I've also spoke to people 

1043
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,280
about my dad, about doing the 
case in reverse. 

1044
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,920
Yeah. 
And he was like, that's a great 

1045
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,400
idea. 
It is a great idea, it's just 

1046
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,760
tricky sometimes. 
Super. 

1047
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,000
Hard so next week that's the 
episode that's coming out it's 

1048
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,640
our first reverse episode it's. 
Going to be a great time. 

1049
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,320
So it's more of like along the 
lines of we. 

1050
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,480
Start at the end the. 
Crime itself and then the 

1051
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:35,320
investigation and how they. 
Got back to the killer, Yeah. 

1052
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,400
So it's honestly like a Figure 8
really. 

1053
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,720
Yeah, it's like. 
Yeah, it's kind of like at the 

1054
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,920
highways when they take the 
exits and there's. 

1055
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,320
And there's a loopy. 
But they all, they come back to 

1056
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,120
a road back. 
It zippers. 

1057
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Zippers. 
Yeah, it's comes together. 

1058
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,800
This is zipper. 
Wow, Not a button zipper. 

1059
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,360
So yes, wait for next week. 
It's a really, really good case.

1060
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,600
It's going to be a great time. 
And I'm so excited. 

1061
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,880
Yeah. 
So it's a good one, yeah. 

1062
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,560
So that's all we got. 
That is all we've got. 

1063
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,800
Also, the Patreon is going to be
coming out. 

1064
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,560
Yep, keep an eye on that, we'll 
post about it. 

1065
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Yeah. 
We still have the upcoming 

1066
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,680
conference that we're going to. 
Yep, with the Doctor Rachel 

1067
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,160
Tolls. 
Yep, I believe. 

1068
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:24,360
So that'll be great. 
We're going to put that on the 

1069
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,360
Patreon exclusively. 
Yes, unless we decide to do 

1070
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,000
we'll. 
Talk about it in the beginning 

1071
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,120
of an episode briefly, yeah. 
But you're not getting all the 

1072
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,280
details. 
No, you're not going to get the 

1073
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,280
audio you. 
Need to be in the inner circle. 

1074
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,360
Yeah, or else we can't trust 
you. 

1075
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,720
No, we need true followers. 
That's right, we're a cult. 

1076
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,720
Welcome to the commune. 
My name is Bok Joy. 

1077
00:55:55,160 --> 00:56:00,640
And I am squirrel feather. 
I don't know tree rat can be. 

1078
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,240
Lemongrass. 
Wheat flour. 

1079
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,360
All right, so yeah, don't forget
to look out for that. 

1080
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,880
Follow us on Instagram. 
Guys, You didn't commit. 

1081
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,560
Yep. 
Follow us on Spotify, Apple 

1082
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,840
Podcast. 
Wherever you listen, please, 

1083
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,400
Amazon, please. 
Keep the follow. 

1084
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,200
Oh, we're on YouTube Studio now.
YouTube, podcasts or music, 

1085
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,880
whatever it is. 
Just YouTube we're. 

1086
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,640
Finally there. 
Officially. 

1087
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Officially, I've added all the 
episodes. 

1088
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,720
And I've made them public 
because you left it on private. 

1089
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,880
OK, well it took a while for me 
to edit to upload and. 

1090
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,240
I went back and I was like, wow,
they're there. 

1091
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:42,800
Why are they all locked? 
Well, thank you for doing that. 

1092
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,800
But yeah, we're building a lot 
of things. 

1093
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,560
I think eventually we're also 
going to put out a Amazon 

1094
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,000
wishlist. 
If you guys want to like help 

1095
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,280
us, you can. 
Make this happen. 

1096
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,840
Yeah, but more better. 
We're we're not asking. 

1097
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:02,000
Oh no, you like also just do it 
for stuff that we want and that 

1098
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,200
we're going to save up for. 
Yeah, as well. 

1099
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,040
And thank you for listening to 
all this. 

1100
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,560
Oh, yeah, at the end. 
Just keep talking. 

1101
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,760
All right, guys, friends, stay 
safe. 

1102
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,880
And remember, we didn't do it.