1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,080 I'm Aaron. And I'm Dana. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,080 And this is. Crimes we didn't commit. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,600 We're here again. Here we go. 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,360 Welcome to this this Podcast of Us episode. 5. 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,960 I know we're doing it. I know we were. 6 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,840 We were talking about how like, Oh yeah in our first episode. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Which was 4 episodes. It was 4 weeks ago, a month. 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Oh wow, I know my ear itches. Itch it, it's fine now. 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Yeah, it's pretty cool. It is really cool. 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,680 I feel like we're actually doing something. 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,240 Yeah, but I also really enjoy it. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,720 I absolutely enjoy it. I think doing it two days a week 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,280 has, it's been nice to start the week and end the week. 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,000 That way, yeah, it feels 'cause it's fun to do. 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,880 And I was talking to a friend of mine at lunch yesterday about 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,960 how, like, having, like, a margin for, like, things and 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,520 like time for yourself. Yeah. 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,960 And I was mentioning how this takes a big block of my time. 19 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,360 Yeah, it does. But it's something that I don't 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,440 want to sacrifice. And I, it doesn't feel like a 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,480 waste, more like, you know, it doesn't feel like time spent. 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,400 No. You know. 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Yeah. And it's. 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,120 It's nice. Yeah, I agree it. 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,800 Feels good. I wish we could just stay here 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,120 forever, Jinx. And that was our podcast. 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,440 Thanks for joining us. Stay safe. 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Bye. But anyway, cuz things don't 29 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:37,200 things are good things are good. I have to mention. 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,560 No, this just sounds problematic. 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,160 Nothing. I have to mention a few episodes 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,440 ago I. Don't know what it is but I'm 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,400 here for it. When we mentioned Notre Dame. 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Oh yeah, it's not on the East Coast. 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,160 It's definitely not on the East Coast. 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,199 So my my dad called me and he said, did I raise you right? 37 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,200 And I was like, what? Out of nowhere, I. 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Was like what did I do? And then I know I made some 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,040 mistakes but. It was a long time ago. 40 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,800 And he's like, you don't know where Notre Dame is. 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,440 And you're. Like I was like, fuck. 42 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,800 So it's it's in Indiana. OK. 43 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,360 It doesn't sound like it would be in Indiana. 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,400 No, Indiana just doesn't sound like. 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,920 That it doesn't. But now I know. 46 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:35,560 Yeah, we know. That it is. 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,440 And I was so confident about it being on these. 48 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,400 Yes IA 100% thought it was in Massachusetts. 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Yeah, I thought it was somewhere in New England somewhere. 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,000 And I trusted you. I trusted myself. 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,320 I know. So thank you, Dad. 52 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,120 Thanks, Dad. Thanks, Dad. 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,600 Now I know where one college is. Because there's a was I talking 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,120 to you about this? How there's a University of 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Miami not in Miami. Yes, yeah, yeah, That doesn't 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,200 make sense. And Oh yeah, I was talking 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,880 about. This yeah on the podcast and oh, 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,280 there's a yeah, there's a yes. We were talking on the phone 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,160 about this. Oh, we were. 60 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,920 You're right. I feel like your sister was 61 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:15,720 involved. She was, yeah, yeah. 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,000 Shout out. Had to, you know, dial her in. 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Yep, for a business meeting exactly like the University of 64 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,920 Phoenix. Isn't that just like an online 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,520 college? It is and maybe AI think we 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,480 should not talk. About colleges, no. 67 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,120 I think we should just XNA. On college. 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,640 A on college A. Because we don't know. 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,840 No, we're probably going to talk about this again. 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Maybe. Yeah, we'll see. 71 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,080 And we'll most likely be wrong, but that's OK. 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,840 I don't mind being wrong because you know what I think. 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,880 When it comes to that funny, no, I don't. 74 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,480 I don't care. No, I don't care either. 75 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,360 I. Barely understand. 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,960 I don't know stuff. You're lucky I know what 77 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,840 colleges are OK. Well, I mean, I think it would 78 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,640 be easier if we watch like college sports or something and 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,080 I don't and we don't. I see them, yeah. 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,720 And I know they happen, yes. And yeah, that's. 81 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,400 It and they play. They do, and they play so, so 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,920 hard. They play hard and they play 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,840 good and they just really do it and. 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,120 Teams, yeah, and they do a good job. 85 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:23,840 Go college. Phoenix, wherever you are in the 86 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,440 ether. But that's OK. 87 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:29,720 We're fine. We're fine. 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:38,880 Touchdown. I feel like go been on a big 89 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,520 banana cake. You know, I see the I saw the 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,000 banana because I just ate a banana and there's like a banana 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,520 peel on your coffee table. Yes. 92 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Not anymore. I threw it in the trash. 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,040 Sorry, I didn't mean to out you like that. 94 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,000 Make me sound so. Disgusting here. 95 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,640 Hey, it's fruit, at least we're eating hell they. 96 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,040 But no, I got a bunch of bananas because I made the best Burnt, 97 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,200 burnt, burst, burst, burst, burst. 98 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,240 I made the best banana bread that I've ever made in my life. 99 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,280 Yeah, I need the recipe. You got it. 100 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,560 OK, I'll send it to you. Please do so. 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,560 I bought a bunch so I put. Chocolate in it? 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,600 Yes. OK, good. 103 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,720 Were there walnuts in? It. 104 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,080 No, I don't do that. OK. 105 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,200 No, some people do, some people don't. 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,920 Sometimes I like it in there. Yeah, I don't know, but. 107 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,920 The with the chocolate chips, it's just so good. 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,400 It needs chocolate in it. Banana and chocolate go hand in 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,240 hand. Yep, and I feel like they're 110 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,640 they should never not be together. 111 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,080 I agree and sometimes peanut butter. 112 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,280 Peanut butter's great. Oh, putting peanut butter on a 113 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:35,800 piece of banana bread. Yes. 114 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,640 It's fucking game over. That sounds great. 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,440 Yeah, we just worked out. I'm hungry. 116 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,280 Yeah, we deserve this. Honestly, we work out every time 117 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,640 we have podcast day. Oh yeah, we do. 118 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,600 Before or after? Yeah, yeah, one or the other. 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,520 I feel like it's good for something. 120 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,560 I think. It makes our brain work not 121 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,920 well. Our muscles are strong, but the 122 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,760 brain muscle is we. Yeah, maybe we should do like 123 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,600 crossword puzzles or something. I don't, I can't we're. 124 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,520 Sudoku's. Sudoku What? 125 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,120 You're lucky that we can formulate a sentence, to be 126 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:22,840 honest. So. 127 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:25,440 Oh, I. Can't wait to talk about murder. 128 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,720 I can't do crosswords, I just not good at that. 129 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,880 I like the people ones in the magazine. 130 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Oh, I'm not good at those either. 131 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,600 I'm terrible at celebrities. Oh yeah, and. 132 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,160 I don't know why, because I've watched things. 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,520 I just don't keep up, you know, with the Kardashians. 134 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,440 So. My sister, she doesn't know the 135 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,320 name of. Yeah, she's not. 136 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,800 She's not good at that. But she watches stuff. 137 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I am. 138 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:52,600 Yeah. Nice. 139 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,560 It's so funny, 'cause I'll say, you know who this is and she's 140 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,360 like Aaron. No, no I don't. 141 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,600 I don't know. And I'm like, OK. 142 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,480 That's fine. If you say like the guy with the 143 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,240 nose, Owen Wilson got it. Yeah. 144 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 You know, Yeah, yeah, 100%. But if I say the character's 145 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,640 name in the show or in the. Movie. 146 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,080 She'll know. Yeah, OK. 147 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,040 That makes sense. So we're one and the same. 148 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Yeah. OK. 149 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,480 Yep, that's good. You guys could talk about it we. 150 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Probably could, yeah, and wouldn't go very far. 151 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,200 No, since we don't know anyone. I know Ryan Reynolds is doing 152 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,040 net mobile. Oh, sick. 153 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,600 Kevin Hart's sponsoring Burn Burn. 154 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Yeah, yeah. You go Kevin. 155 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,600 You go little Kevin. Yeah, you're the best. 156 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,400 He's so funny. He is a funny dude. 157 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Best friend. So Russia. 158 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Russia. Let's talk about Russia. 159 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,440 I was gonna do another murder and then I didn't, so now we're 160 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,160 here. And we're doing this Russian. 161 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,320 We are doing this. I've always been fascinated with 162 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Russia. It's just an interesting, It's 163 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,840 just an interesting zone. It's mostly not. 164 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,960 I've been terrified, honestly, of Russia. 165 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Really. I was always intrigued by it in 166 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,600 middle school. Was it middle school? 167 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,320 Yeah. In 8th grade, we had like a 168 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,920 independent study that we could do, and me and my friends 169 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,400 decided to do it on Russia. And we even, like, zoomed with 170 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,480 kids in at a fourth grade class in Siberia. 171 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,640 Whoa. Yeah. 172 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,000 And they had like 1 computer at the principal's house and they 173 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,040 would come and like, the parents were all in the background and 174 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,160 they're like taking pictures of us and stuff like that. 175 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,360 It was very, really fascinating experience. 176 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,840 OK, I don't know how we did. That so Wait Siberia. 177 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,240 Is like in there? Is it? 178 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,720 In Russia. I think it's a different zone, 179 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,440 but. Siberia is its own country, 180 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,679 right? So it's like, so Russia is that 181 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,360 small portion along the line of that area. 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,040 OK. And then Siberia is like 183 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,960 everything else past like the cold zone. 184 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,080 I guess I'm gonna let me. I think you're wrong. 185 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,440 OK, but I don't know. I thought Russia was pretty. 186 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,400 Large. It's a region in Russia, Ohio, 187 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,760 OK, So OK. It's like Midwest is here. 188 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:12,000 But to there to the east, I think I'm not spatially aware. 189 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Very, very good. I don't know cardinal 190 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,280 directions, but it says it's a vast region of Russia covering 191 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,200 most of North Asia, stretching from the Ural Mountains to the 192 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,440 Pacific Ocean. So it's it's massive. 193 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,720 But anyway, they're very like secluded there, so and isolated 194 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,840 and it's very cold. They have one computer. 195 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,920 They speak Russian in Siberia. Yes. 196 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,880 And that's when I learned the three lines that I know in 197 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,000 Russian, which is my name is what's your name? 198 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,120 And pleased to meet you. OK. 199 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,920 And then mutton, how to say mutton which is Barania or 200 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,720 something? Like that I know how to say yes 201 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,880 da. Da da. 202 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,760 Because I'm afraid. Yeah, anything you say. 203 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Are you American da da da? Well, this, this this guy, this 204 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:22,480 guy is from from there, OK? His name was Andre Romanovich. 205 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,320 That sounds so Russian. That's his middle name and it's 206 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,600 Chikatilo. Chikatilo, I believe, is his 207 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,840 last name and he was born on October 16th of 1936 in the 208 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,080 Yablo Yablochene, which is a village in the heart of the 209 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,160 rural Ukraine, which was, this is like USSR time. 210 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,200 Totally. Yeah. 211 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,440 You know this one. I know this place, yeah. 212 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:51,840 So during the 30s, Ukraine was known as like, the bread basket 213 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,640 of the Soviet Union. But this whole entire time, like 214 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,400 the 30s, it was super tragic. There was like a lot of famine. 215 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,680 There was like Stalin's policy during that time. 216 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,680 We're just gonna get a little into the history here. 217 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,440 OK? So salon's policy had like 218 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,480 agricultural collectivization, grain procurement, and there was 219 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,680 like a restrictions on movement. It just was widespread hardship 220 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,200 and famine that just decimated the population there. 221 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:19,600 Ukraine is going through it is scary. 222 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,440 There's a lot of scary shit happened in that area. 223 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:25,600 And it's already cold like on top of it. 224 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,800 That's too much. But anyway, so it was known as 225 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,960 the Holodomer. I believe it's what the name of 226 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,640 that time is anyway. So at the time of Andre's birth, 227 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,920 the effects of the famine were still very widely felt. 228 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,640 And his childhood was heavily influenced by deprivation, you 229 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,320 know, just starvation in like every case of everything. 230 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,920 That's sad. It is really sad. 231 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,320 Like, I hate to hear kids going through stuff like that. 232 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,880 You know, it sucks for adults to go through things like that too. 233 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Yeah, and it sucks for like the parents not to be able to 234 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,520 provide for their. Kids. 235 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,680 Yeah, that's. That's so hard. 236 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,560 But if the situation wasn't bad enough, it was made even worse 237 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:15,760 when the USSR entered World War Two against Germany, bringing 238 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,680 sustained bombing raids on Ukraine. 239 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,240 So Ukraine just they need a fucking break. 240 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,680 There's just this shits they do hitting the fan. 241 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,160 Talk about history repeating. Itself. 242 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,440 I know, it's crazy. So external hardships aside, 243 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:32,760 Andre was pretty fucked from the get go because he is believed to 244 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,560 have suffered from hydrocephalus, which is water on 245 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,560 the brain. It's an abnormal buildup of 246 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,000 cerebrospinal fluid in the brain's ventricles, causing 247 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,440 increased pressure in the skull. Ouch. 248 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Yeah, that sounds like a terrible time. 249 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Yeah. It causes headaches, nausea, 250 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,680 vomiting, double vision, seizures, all of that. 251 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:53,480 Yeah. Good stuff. 252 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,600 So he was suffering from that at birth which caused him genital 253 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,520 urinary tract problems later in life. 254 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,520 I don't know how it correlates, but. 255 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:03,600 So we had pee issues. After that, yeah. 256 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,480 OK, So I mean, I don't know how that goes together, but 257 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,520 apparently it does. It sounds sciency. 258 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,080 This also included bed wetting into his late adolescence 259 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,240 triangle. Probably as he got older he 260 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,440 couldn't sustain an erection, but he was able to ejaculate so. 261 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,000 That's good for him. That is good for him. 262 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,680 I feel like being able to have that release is important, but 263 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:29,560 also that's really bad for him, you know? 264 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,640 But it it burns when he pees. I wonder if. 265 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Oh yeah. I don't wonder though. 266 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,000 I I don't, but I kind of do. It's interesting. 267 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,560 Yeah, right in, if you know. Yeah. 268 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,920 So his home life was already ruined but then his father got 269 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,760 drafted into the war against Germany so as while his dad was 270 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,160 there the dad was captured and he was held prisoner and he 271 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,080 eventually was rescued or like got out somehow. 272 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,640 I I don't really know. But when he returned he was 273 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,120 vilified by the countrymen for allowing himself to be captured. 274 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Which fuck off. I mean, if you're a POW, how is 275 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:02,720 that your fault? I don't know. 276 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,720 I don't know, but apparently it was and everyone hated him for 277 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,800 it. They're like you are a coward 278 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,480 and you got captured. So they look at him like he's 279 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,360 weak and wow, that probably made him angry. 280 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,800 Yes, and those people just suck. Let them get captured and see 281 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:18,600 how it feels. Yeah. 282 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,200 You know, Yeah. They have no idea. 283 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,760 Hate them. But it didn't just impact his 284 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,360 dad. Andre also suffered the 285 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,600 consequences of his father's quote UN quote like cowardice. 286 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,120 So. And it got him bullied a lot in 287 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,280 school. Yeah, and that blows. 288 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Yeah, and it's never fun. Plus if they find out he's bed 289 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,680 wetting. Oh, on top of that and now he 290 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,200 can't get an erection and his brain has lots of fluid. 291 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,920 And it burns when he pees. Yeah, yeah, that's a recipe for 292 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,480 disaster. I bully him too but no, all the 293 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,760 bullying and everything else he was dealing with made him really 294 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,680 shy so we didn't really have any romantic relationships until he 295 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,400 was about 15. Which I didn't have any romantic 296 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,880 relationships when I was 15 personally, but I think that 297 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,840 that's a normal time too. I have them. 298 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,360 I feel like most people are on the age of 13 ish. 299 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Yeah. I mean something. 300 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,480 Describe Romantic. I let's be real. 301 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,040 Well, I'm thinking it's just like relations, like people are, 302 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,760 you know, OK, I'm gonna kiss you. 303 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Yeah. Whatever the well, there's the 304 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,680 whole like, I have a crush on them, they have a crush on me. 305 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,880 They write them in. We're dating, but we don't talk 306 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,160 exactly, you know, those kinds of things. 307 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,520 But he didn't have that. Poor guy. 308 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,520 So sad but these these relations were reported. 309 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,160 OK so he did have a romantic relation ish when he was 15 and 310 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,080 it was reported to be an assault where he overpowered a young 311 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,520 girl, ejaculating immediately during the struggle which he. 312 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,240 What a coward. Such a bed letter. 313 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,360 So he got more ridicule because of that. 314 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,760 Oh God, two second Andre is his name now. 315 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,520 This experience of humiliation impacted all of his future. 316 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,200 First year. Of course it did. 317 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,240 And it solidified the association of sex with violence 318 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,880 for him because he immediately got off from the violence. 319 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,240 So the remainder of his schooling pretty much went this 320 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,840 way. And he ended up failing his 321 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 entrance exam to the Moscow. Is it Moscow or Moscow? 322 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,280 People tell me it's Moscow. I think either way, I think 323 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,280 we're Americans, so we could say however we want. 324 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,720 Yeah, we can do whatever we want here. 325 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,720 Yeah, we have autonomy. The Moscow State University and 326 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,480 he was enlisted in the national service for a period of time 327 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,320 like out of obligation and after he was released from there he 328 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:55,080 moved to Rodia Novo Nez Veteski. I love how you went into it. 329 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:05,800 I tried, did my best. Which is a town near Rostov, IN 330 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,839 and he moved there in 1960 and he became a telephone engineer. 331 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,520 So while he was there, his sister ended up moving in with 332 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,920 him and she kind of attempted to wing man for him because she was 333 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,400 really worried about just his lack of success with women. 334 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,200 Was she older? Younger. 335 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,000 Ohh yes OK, so she was. She was like big bro. 336 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah. 337 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,080 Yeah, You know, I'm gonna get you a cute girl. 338 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,640 Yeah. And you're gonna have a happy 339 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,880 life. And you'll have stamina. 340 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,080 Yes, you will definitely get. I believe in you. 341 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,960 Yeah. So she ended up setting up a 342 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,600 meeting with a local girl who he ended up marrying in 63. 343 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,000 So despite all of the sexual problems and, like, the lack of 344 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,280 interest in conventional sex, they managed to have two 345 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,600 children and lived what to look like. 346 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,360 What to look like? Normal. 347 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,120 Yeah. A normal life. 348 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,880 Everyone just thought they everything was fine. 349 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,080 Turned on a dime. Yeah, in 1971 he made a career 350 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,040 change and became a school teacher. 351 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,560 So he went from telephone engineer to school teacher. 352 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,600 And during this time there was a string of complaints. 353 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:17,200 Naturally. He ended up detaining a female 354 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,320 student after class attempted to assault her, sexually struck her 355 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,000 with a ruler and ejaculated during the incident. 356 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,240 Like in his pants. I'm sorry, that's so mean. 357 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,000 I'm sure that people go through these things, but it's just. 358 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,280 No, but fuck. Him. 359 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Yeah, he sucks. Yeah, I'm laughing at. 360 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:41,200 Him So although no formal charges resulted from the 361 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,440 incident, there were parental reports and like school rumors 362 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,120 that prompted his resignation in 74. 363 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,120 Does it say what grade he was teaching? 364 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,840 No, OK, I did not see that. I know that it was like lower. 365 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,760 Oh, OK. No, not lower elementary 366 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,840 necessarily, but like lower grades, got it. 367 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,680 Not college level. They weren't adults. 368 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That much I know. 369 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,840 So similar patterns of alleged misconduct, including fondling 370 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,920 teenagers and exposing himself, reoccurred across all of the 371 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,640 roles that he's had as a teacher 'cause he would just up and move 372 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,000 every, every single time. He's changed school multiple 373 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,400 times and I'm just like why not? I've never understood the expose 374 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,520 situations. Just be like, look at this. 375 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,400 Look at my Dick. Like, I don't get it. 376 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,400 Like, hey, look over here, like what? 377 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,760 How do you get off on that? Element of surprise, I guess. 378 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,800 And the kids like, ha, there's a penis. 379 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,160 And he's like, yeah. So. 380 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,560 I'm pulling my pants back up. I. 381 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,800 Guess that's what it is. It's. 382 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,840 So strange. That's how it works. 383 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,520 That's how it seems at least. I don't actually know, but it's. 384 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Like they don't think it through. 385 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,680 No, not at all. It's an impulse. 386 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,320 All an impulse and an urge and they just react to it. 387 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,960 I just don't get it. I don't either. 388 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,800 So all of that stuff, you know, was very reoccurring and it led 389 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,160 to his departure from, it says 3 to 5 teaching jobs between 73 390 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,680 and 81. OK. 391 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,320 His first known victim was on December 22nd, 1978. 392 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,280 So he hadn't, you know, hurt anyone. 393 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,320 Well, he hurt people. Yeah, but he hasn't like, killed 394 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,240 anyone. Killed anyone. 395 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,560 There's no murders committed during that time that we're 396 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,640 aware of. I wonder what his wife thinks of 397 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,480 all these complaints. Or maybe she doesn't know. 398 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,480 She does know, but she I feel like she's like turning a blind. 399 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,440 She's like you're misunderstood, honey. 400 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,640 Yeah, they don't know. You, it's the kids. 401 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,040 It has to be. They don't know. 402 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,160 They are just lying. They have to be lying. 403 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,880 So the first time victim was on December 22nd of 1978, Andre 404 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,680 murdered 9 year old Yelena Zaco Zaco to Nova near a local 405 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,320 market. So he lured her into a vacant 406 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,320 one story house that he had access to under the pretext of 407 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,760 paying her 25 rubles to view his stamp collection, which I don't 408 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,000 know, OK, why, but that's. Why? 409 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,520 First of all, rubles is so funny, Yeah, and 2nd off what 410 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,760 it's. It could be a very exciting 411 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,360 stamp collection. I just don't know why a nine 412 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,480 year old would be excited about stamp collection, but maybe 413 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,360 there's an. Adult being like, oh come look 414 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:26,680 at this and I'll give you money for you. 415 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,960 You're 9. You're just like, hell yeah. 416 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,920 Also, everyone's poor right now so give me whatever you want to 417 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,680 give me. It doesn't matter. 418 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,800 So inside the house he attempted to rape the girl, but she 419 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,440 resisted fiercely, which, good on her 'cause she's fucking 9. 420 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,440 He or she bit and scratched him. During the struggle, he became 421 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,000 overcome by panic and rage and he manually strangled her until 422 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,360 she was dead, and then he stabbed her abdomen multiple 423 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:56,640 times with a knife and further mutilated the body. 424 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,440 And he subsequently dragged the corpse to a nearby river, where 425 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,680 he discarded her into freezing water and weighed her down so 426 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,400 she would sink. Oh my God. 427 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,640 So it was that was a big thing. Like, that's not something, you 428 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,600 know, obviously he was assaulting girls and things like 429 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,200 that beforehand, but now there was a sense of panic that I feel 430 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:26,280 like he didn't have before. Yeah, I, I just, how did he 431 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,440 think this was going to play out like? 432 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,640 I don't think that he really thought it through, no. 433 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,200 I mean, I he had to have known that he was going to kill her 434 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,080 because he had a knife. Yeah, I. 435 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,200 Guess, but it could also have just been for a threatening 436 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,440 purposes. Yeah, like you're gonna do what 437 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,680 I want you to do or else. Right, 'cause that's what he'd 438 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,800 done previously. He didn't think he had to follow 439 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,560 through with the OR else, right? And he did. 440 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,320 That's what ended up happening. Right. 441 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,400 I mean, and he went, he did all the things in order to get rid 442 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240 of the body. Like, he obviously knew what he 443 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,080 was doing. Yeah. 444 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,080 So the discovery of her body was on December 25th of 1978 after 445 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,560 it surfaced downstream. Oh, so four days? 446 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Whoa it. Took some time, yeah, because it 447 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,960 was way down and it was also freezing. 448 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,920 So I don't know how that plays into things, but I'm sure 449 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,680 there's some sort of science explanation. 450 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,560 This is Russia, yeah. I don't know Siberia prompt. 451 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,840 So all of that prompted a local investigation by so this area of 452 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Russia was called Shakti. So it prompted an investigation 453 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,560 by the local police who noted signs of sexual violence and 454 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,880 strangulation as the primary cause of death. 455 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,280 There were traces of blood in the snow leading towards Andre's 456 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,360 residence, which drew suspicion to him as a potential witness. 457 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,320 Or suspect. Interesting SO. 458 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,240 It would be immediate suspect in my mind because there is a trail 459 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,200 of fucking blood going to his house. 460 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,680 Which is so weird. OK, so he dumped the body in a 461 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,400 river. Yep. 462 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,640 The body floated downriver, Yep, towards his house. 463 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,560 I guess so, yeah. What the fuck? 464 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,600 Yeah, he didn't think that part. No, not very well. 465 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,360 No, I don't think that I would have either. 466 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,360 Oh, I wouldn't calculate. I don't. 467 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,600 Maybe I would. Well, if my house was planning, 468 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,080 if I was planning a murder, yeah, probably I would. 469 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,480 And if it was spur of the moment, had to do something. 470 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,760 Then no. But if my house was near a 471 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,360 river, I probably wouldn't choose. 472 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,080 That river? No, not if it was near my house. 473 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,960 Doesn't doesn't make sense. But anyway, so it led him to be 474 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920 a potential witness or suspect which led to his interrogation. 475 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,120 So this is where his wife comes in. 476 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,280 So his wife provided an alibi claiming he had been home with 477 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,560 her that evening and forensic evidence at the time, which was 478 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,480 limited by the Soviet era technology and just the 479 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,040 procedures that they had failed to conclusively link him, 480 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,280 resulting in his release without any charges. 481 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,360 Oh, so they picked him up, OK. They did, they tried, yeah, but 482 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:58,000 they didn't really have any actual evidence 'cause you could 483 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,120 be bleeding by accident for. Look at his history though. 484 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,720 I know. Like the all the complaints from 485 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,920 the school, the actual assault that happened, well, maybe he 486 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,520 didn't get caught for that either, but. 487 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,640 Well, no, like he there were reports there weren't any like 488 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,000 legitimate police reports of all of those, which is wild, I know, 489 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,480 but there was a lot going on during that time. 490 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,160 Similar to a cannibal guy. Like there was a shit ton going 491 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,960 on that no. One was, I mean, a bombs are 492 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,400 dropping over there. They're not so concerned about. 493 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,120 Unfortunately, they're not concerned about. 494 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,840 That but they were concerned to do investigations, but they also 495 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,920 just, they just didn't have the resources available. 496 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,800 I know so. Andre later admitted that that 497 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,240 killing in particular initiated his pattern of increasingly 498 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,160 violent sexual homicides, which makes sense. 499 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,760 Yeah, well, he got away with the first one. 500 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,200 He. Did. 501 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,360 And he found out his wife is going to have his back. 502 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,120 So he was good. And he was driven by all of 503 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,840 these compulsive urges that he described as uncontrollable, 504 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,840 which again, doesn't make sense to me, but that's OK. 505 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:12,000 So for that particular murder, there was a man, his name was 506 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,080 Alexander Kravichenko Kravichenko. 507 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,920 And he was a 25 year old with a previous rape conviction, like a 508 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,080 legitimate conviction. And he was arrested and 509 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,920 confessed to the crime under duress, probably as a result of 510 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,440 extensive and brutal interrogation which they use as 511 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,800 tactics at the time. Yeah, so he got away with that. 512 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,680 He did get away with that and someone else was convicted of it 513 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,040 and he was also tried and killed and executed in 84. 514 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,000 Wow. For that incident. 515 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,800 How was he executed? Probably by gun because we're 516 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,240 going to see that's, that's that's how they did it, OK. 517 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,080 That's fascinating. So as a result, at least we 518 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,560 think as a result of this close brush with the law, there were 519 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,400 no more documented victims for the next three years. 520 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,680 Interesting. But with all those claims of 521 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,400 child abuse and sexual assault, Andre found it impossible to 522 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,520 find another teaching job, which makes sense. 523 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,400 Thank God. You know, that's good. 524 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,360 They were just like, you know what? 525 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,120 I don't think that is for you. You need to do something. 526 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,360 Three strikes, you're out. Yeah. 527 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,240 Bye. Got it. 528 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240 So he. Notre Dame. 529 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,520 So we took a job as a clerk for a raw materials factory in 530 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,840 Rostov where the travel that he had to do with the position, it 531 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,680 gave him unlimited access to a wide range of young victims over 532 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,160 the next nine years. Yeah, that sucks. 533 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,640 Yeah. Like. 534 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800 Yeah, 'cause then you're talking about different law enforcement 535 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,920 agencies. Oh yeah, in that time, they're 536 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,400 not all communicating. No, they don't have the 537 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,920 resources available. There's other shit going on. 538 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,720 It's the. Perfect recipe for a serial. 539 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,440 Colorer, like obviously during this time now it's no longer the 540 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,320 war is not going on, but there's still repercussions. 541 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,160 Yeah, the aftermath, yeah. Yeah, anyway, so on September 542 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:05,000 3rd of 1981, he murdered Larissa Tekchenko, who was a 17 year old 543 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,280 student. So he again lured her into an 544 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,000 area, this time it was a wooded area, where he stabbed her 545 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 repeatedly in the neck, gagged her with dirt and leaves, 546 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,560 stabbed her in the chest and abdomen before engaging in 547 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,000 necrophilia. Oh yeah, so he went all in. 548 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,440 Yes, he did. He was just balls deep, like all 549 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,880 the way. I don't know why. 550 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,200 OK so he stabbed her in the neck a bunch of times and then gagged 551 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,920 her. Like she could fucking scream or 552 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040 talk after. That I think that he is so 553 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,840 aroused by violence. So it was not so much. 554 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,920 The it's not about. Keeping her quiet. 555 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400 It's just. He wants to do those things and 556 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,600 I'm assuming as he goes along in his fucked up career of being a, 557 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320 you know, a serial killer, he needs to do more and more, I 558 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,800 would assume. Well, yeah, eventually that 559 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,280 thing isn't going to get you off an. 560 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Hour so now he has to, you know, start stabbing A bajillion more 561 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000 times than in different areas of the body and seeing what like 562 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,560 this looks like or this. How it? 563 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,240 Feels whatever anyway. Can't relate, no. 564 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200 Her body was discovered the following day and this incident 565 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960 in particular marked a shift towards targeting adolescents 566 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,880 and young adults encountered at train stations or public areas. 567 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,440 Cause those people are more Drifters and there are fewer 568 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,440 people actually paying attention to those. 569 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,320 So they go missing. Yeah, it's like if no one really 570 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200 cares, it's kind of like with the killers who target sex 571 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,320 workers. I was going to say, like the 572 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,680 Gilgo murders, the Go Go Beach murders. 573 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,720 Yes, Yep, yeah. So that's sucks, but 574 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,400 unfortunately, people just didn't care as much. 575 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,200 But it does start to get on people's radar eventually. 576 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,400 So he lured these adolescents and young adults with the under 577 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,080 the pretense of offering like alcohol or assistance or 578 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,720 whatever, something to just get them to come on over. 579 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,360 Between June and December of 1982, Andre escalated his 580 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,800 killings, claiming at least six victims, which were 581 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,520 predominantly children. On June 12th, he abducted and 582 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,280 stabbed. I can't pronounce her name. 583 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,040 Louis Bove Biryuk, potentially. Not bad. 584 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:26,800 Maybe who was 13, He stabbed her over 20 times, including strikes 585 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,760 to her eyes, leaving her body partial partially skeletonized 586 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,080 when it was found months later. I'm going to name multiple 587 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,400 victims now that were murders that were committed during this 588 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,680 short period of time. So there was Oleg, who was age 589 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,920 9. He was killed on August 13th. 590 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,760 He. Yes, so he also. 591 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,080 Switching it up. Yes, he does start to switch it 592 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,800 up. Then there was Olga Kuprina who 593 00:30:53,800 --> 00:31:00,200 was 16 on August 16th, and there was Sergey Koosman who was 15. 594 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,360 Then another Olga, Stalma Chainok, who was 10. 595 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,240 And these bodies were typically dumped in the forest or rivers 596 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,680 after manual strangulation, followed by knifing to the torso 597 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,080 and genitals. So these crimes occurred 598 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,240 primarily in the Shakti and Rostov region, exploiting the 599 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,560 transient nature of the railway sightings. 600 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,040 And like just the rural outskirts. 601 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,440 Those poor kids I know. And these are kids that just 602 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,920 didn't know what to do with themselves. 603 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240 You know they. Like I said, there are Drifters. 604 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280 They were so young to be like that. 605 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,840 But I'm curious and I'll look up this later and I'll put it in 606 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640 the show notes like what he looks like and if he's if he 607 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,200 looks like that approachable type. 608 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,840 He did. Whoa, yeah. 609 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480 He was conventionally attractive. 610 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,760 Symmetrical face, right? You know, when he was younger, 611 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160 after his capture, he looked fucking psycho. 612 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360 Oh, I'm sure. But at the beginning, he looked 613 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,400 just like a dude. So at this time, serial killers 614 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240 were a virtually unknown phenomena in the Soviet Union. 615 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,520 They've like, refused to believe it. 616 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,760 There was a thing like that in the Soviet. 617 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,640 Union. That is fascinating. 618 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,800 Yes. So evidence of serial killing or 619 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,000 child abuse in general was sometimes suppressed by the 620 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840 state controlled media in the interests of public order. 621 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,120 His case is noteworthy not only because of the large number of 622 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160 victims, but because of the efforts by the Soviet police to 623 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400 issue warnings during the public, which wasn't really 624 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,600 happening. So they were trying to push 625 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,240 those warnings even though the media was trying to suppress it. 626 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,960 It's like it's happening, but like chill, but it's not 627 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,920 happening, yeah. So it basically everything that 628 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,320 they were told was asserting that serial murder was 629 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,360 impossible in a communist society. 630 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,120 See, Russia is Scary. It is very scary. 631 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,360 The eye mutilation was a modus operandi distinct enough to 632 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,360 allow for other cases to be linked finally. 633 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,640 So now things dots are being connected, the lines are, you 634 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,920 know, on the cork board there things are happening. 635 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,760 The yarn is intersecting. In places and when the Soviet 636 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,120 authorities finally admitted that they had a serial killer to 637 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240 contend with, they were just like they were able to do that 638 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,640 because they could link these cases. 639 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,480 Now, as the body count mounted, rumors of foreign inspired plots 640 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,080 and werewolf attacks became more prevalent. 641 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,480 So they're blaming these murders also on werewolves. 642 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,200 Yeah, they're just like, it can't be our people. 643 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,840 Yeah, can't be people who do this, not our people. 644 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,120 And with all of that going on, the public fear and the interest 645 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840 grew despite the lack of any media coverage. 646 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,560 So all of that shit that I just mentioned happened in one year. 647 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,960 That was in 82. Whoa. 648 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,400 So he he goes home. Yeah, he was busy. 649 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,760 In 1983, Andre murdered around 8 individuals, continuing the 650 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,560 pattern of opportunistic. OK, OK. 651 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,640 Opportunistic. We love that word. 652 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,640 Abductions College The key cases included Igor Goodkoff, who was 653 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,159 seven. He was killed in the summer. 654 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,880 No, no, no, no, no, no. Vera Shevkin, who was 19 on 655 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,440 October 27th, Sergey Markov, who was 14 on December 27th. 656 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,880 And these victims were stabbed extensively, some mutilated 657 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040 postmortems and remains concealed in wooded or aquatic 658 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,360 sites. So. 659 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,719 There's just no rhyme or reason to this fucking guy. 660 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,760 No, he picks whoever and it's very strange to me that he also 661 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,760 switches to males. I that is what I can't 662 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,440 understand. I I can't either. 663 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,040 Well, I have a whole like psychological breakdown because 664 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,920 there was this girl now girl, she was a woman and she did her 665 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,360 like master's dissertation or something on him in particular, 666 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,920 Andre Chikatilo. So there's a deep dive into the 667 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,000 psychology. I have like 6 fucking pages 668 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,760 based off of her 300 page. Dissertation. 669 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,160 Yeah, OK, I got 6 pages out of it. 670 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,800 We're gonna read the whole thing The. 671 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,600 Whole 300 page. It's gonna be a 18,000,000 672 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,720 Potter. Oh God, what a guy to do it on. 673 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,160 Though I know that guy. Like there was just so much 674 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,160 going on with him. The. 675 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,920 Lack of pattern, but also the pattern, yeah. 676 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,840 Yeah, it's really weird. We. 677 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,400 Go from a 19 year old to a 7 year old, I just. 678 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,480 From a 19 year old woman to a 7 year old boy to a 8 year old 679 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,880 girl to a 17 year old boy. Or whatever. 680 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,800 All over the place it really. Is so Other victims from this 681 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,960 year encompassed adolescence, like Laura Sarkeesian, who was 682 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,120 15 and they were also adults, such as Valentina Chu Chu 683 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,040 Chulina, who was 22. So like I like we were just 684 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,520 saying there's no consistent age, there's no consistent 685 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,400 gender preference. It's just all who's vulnerable. 686 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,800 But it seems like the actual killings. 687 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,680 The killings are the same. They very much are. 688 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,800 It's either strangulation or some form of stabbing. 689 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,800 There's stabbing involved, sometimes the eyes, There's 690 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,880 obvious sexual assault. So the murders were increasing 691 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,440 in frequency and brutality, though the Soviet authorities 692 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,520 initially linked them to a different like he they first 693 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,440 linked them to different perpetrators. 694 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,480 OK, because they didn't want the idea of a serial killer. 695 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,200 Yeah, well, they also. Connected the dots. 696 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,400 They also executed a man. For for one of these. 697 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,840 Crimes that they're now saying OK, that that happened with them 698 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,920 Yep, this is continuing to happen even after we. 699 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,520 He he's dead now. We. 700 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,920 Got rid of him. So sorry. 701 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,560 In 1983, Moscow Detective Major Mikhail Fet Fetisov. 702 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,280 Fetisov. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 703 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,680 He assumed control of the investigation. 704 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,520 He recognized that a serial killer might be on the loose and 705 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,520 assigned a specialist forensic analysis analyst, Viktor 706 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,880 Burakov, to head the investigation. 707 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,080 In the Shakti area, which is where most of this was 708 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,760 happening, It was it was more centralized there and it would 709 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,680 go into the outskirts. So they're finally opening up an 710 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,760 investigation. Yes, like a legitimate one. 711 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,160 This, this detective in particular was like, there's no. 712 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,760 This is happening. This is actually happening and 713 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,400 we're going to put some people on this. 714 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,160 Thank God for him. The investigation centered 715 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,760 around known sex offenders and the mentally ill, but the 716 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,400 interrogation tactics solicited false confessions from 717 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,120 prisoners, leaving Burakov skeptical of the majority of the 718 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,880 confessions. So progress was super slow, 719 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,640 especially as at that stage not a lot of the victims bodies had 720 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,320 been discovered yet. So there were a lot of murders 721 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,000 like these are obviously not obviously, but I'm able to give 722 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,200 you all these names because they were eventually discovered, but 723 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,960 not all of them were at the time. 724 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,680 So the true body count was unknown to the police. 725 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600 With each body, the forensic evidence did mount. 726 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,480 The police were convinced that the killer had the blood type 727 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,680 AB. Interesting, that's a kind of a 728 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,880 rare blood type. Too. 729 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,200 Yeah, it is. But they took this, they were. 730 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,520 They were able to figure that out based off of the semen 731 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,800 samples collected from a number of the crime scenes. 732 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,840 And they also had samples of identical Gray hair that were 733 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,200 retrieved. Oh. 734 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,680 So that was interesting. Yeah, that sounds like they have 735 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000 a lot of evidence. So that was in 1983. 736 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,320 That all happened in 83. There were 15 more victims that 737 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,640 were added during the course of 84 and the police efforts were 738 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,120 increased drastically because or they also mounted like massive 739 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040 surveillance operations that canvassed the local 740 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,480 transportation like hubs. So. 741 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,080 So now there's so many victims like each year had, you know, 742 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,920 average. 15 more and more and more and more Wow. 743 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,320 The police involvement increase because of his killing spree 744 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,960 escalating dramatically and with those 15 confirmed murders 745 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,000 representing the peak annual tally and his criminal career. 746 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,960 And it was just a sharp increase of the sporadic offenses of the 747 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,360 prior years. So he's popping off. 748 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680 So even while they're doing this investigation. 749 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,760 He's going it's. Still happening. 750 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,120 There's no stopping him. He's not. 751 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,080 Well, he's completely unaware that they're doing this 752 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,840 investigation. I'm assuming that he might be 753 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,880 aware, but he's getting away with all of it because even 754 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,360 though it's not like public, like media, there's no real 755 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,040 media coverage. He lives in the town this is 756 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,200 happening in. True. 757 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,680 How can he not see, you know, police? 758 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,920 Yeah, all over the place. Interesting. 759 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,440 And he's still doing this thing because he has this 760 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,640 uncontrollable urge. Can't touch this. 761 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,320 OK. The victims included children, 762 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,480 teenagers and adults of both sexes, often lured from the bus 763 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,080 stops or train stations in that region of the Rostov region and 764 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,720 the Shakti with promises of food, alcohol, rides, just like 765 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,080 at the beginning of his killing career. 766 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,800 So none of that changed. OK. 767 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,520 That's how we got got them. Yes, he transported them to 768 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,880 nearby forest parks. There's this one park in 769 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,080 particular, it's called Aviators Park, where he attempted to 770 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,760 sexually assault before stabbing them repeatedly, sometimes over 771 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,160 50 times, some of his victims. To death followed by extensive 772 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,000 mutilations including the removal now of genitals, 773 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,960 tongues, eyes, noses and like uterus using knife or his teeth. 774 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,080 Oh God. Yeah, he's going. 775 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,040 This is it's escalated drastically. 776 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,600 Yeah. Patterns in these crimes 777 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,840 revealed a heightened compulsivity. 778 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,400 And did you see how I pronounce that articulate it was. 779 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,600 Really, really good. Compulsivity, college and risk 780 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,440 taking with killings clustered in the summer months but then 781 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,400 also the winter months because he like went hard in December a 782 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:50,920 lot of the. Time. 783 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,760 Yeah, that was like his first stint. 784 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,240 Yes, that's when he did his first killing. 785 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,320 Yes, yeah, like Christmas time. Yes. 786 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:02,880 Merry Christmas and the season of murder, Santa. 787 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,240 So his methods started prolonging the victim's 788 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,640 sufferings because at first. It was like immediate kill. 789 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,560 Pretty much he would strangle them. 790 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,560 There would be post mortem. Necrophilia. 791 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,520 All of that. But now it's they're alive, a 792 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,560 lot more stabbing, they're bleeding out. 793 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,400 He's doing things. It's a weird time. 794 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,080 So some of the things that he did was the slow stabbing in 795 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,040 initial punching instead. For instance, on March 27th of 796 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,200 1984, ten year old Dmitri Pashto Nokhevkov was stabbed stamped 797 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,720 was stabbed over 54 times. Goodness, that's. 798 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,120 That's a. Lot of times, yeah. 799 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,360 That is a lot of times and this was near Shakti, which is where 800 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,160 all of this police saying is happening and they still are not 801 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560 getting him. It blows my mind. 802 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,400 And if the news were to put it out, I feel like it would. 803 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,600 Have been done. It would have been done, but 804 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,320 also. Someone would have said 805 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,160 something, I feel. Like the the victims wouldn't 806 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,800 have just followed a strange man into wherever you know. 807 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,560 Yes, because I have stamps and. They're like, I don't know you, 808 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640 dude. Yeah, I don't want your 809 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,280 alkaline. They're like, no duh. 810 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,960 No duh. Oh Nyat, nyat. 811 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:32,480 In May 1984, Andre killed Tanya Petrosyan, who was 32, by 812 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,120 stabbing and hammering her head. She also had a daughter that he 813 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,080 beheaded after a similar assault. 814 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,520 Oh my God. The daughter's name was Feta. 815 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,160 In August we saw a very rapid succession. 816 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:57,600 There was 16 year old Natasha Gloskovskaya who was stabbed on 817 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:08,520 August 2nd, 17 year old Loyda Alexei Alexei of So Sorry It's 818 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:14,480 OK who was slowly stabbed on August 5th to extend the agony. 819 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,320 And there was 11 year old Sasha Chepel who was mutilated with 820 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,720 her eyes gouged out on August 18th. 821 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,960 Like that's August 2nd, 5th, 18th. 822 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,280 Like that's not that. No, that's pretty consecutive. 823 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,440 That's and this is 1984. This is 1984 now. 824 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,320 So he's only sixth year sure of murder 1978. 78 to now, yes. 825 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,160 Well I guess he did it in December of 78 so it's 826 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,880 technically like 5 years but whatever. 827 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,520 What is his wife thinking, I wonder? 828 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,400 I don't know, I didn't hear anything about the wife later 829 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,760 on. OK, So I don't know if she's 830 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,920 still around, OK, I'm assuming that she is because they have 831 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,800 young kids still, right? So but I'm just guessing she's 832 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,320 just, no, she's disassociated from this just like I have shit 833 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,480 going on. The fact that he has two kids 834 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,920 and he's doing this shit. Two kids. 835 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,760 Yeah. Fuck. 836 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,520 Yeah, and it's interesting to me that he's doing these to other 837 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,840 kids. Like I wonder if there's 838 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,520 anything going on in the home. There wasn't anything reported 839 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,480 and I can't. I mean, he's not going to kill 840 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,320 his kids, I guess. I don't know I would be 841 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,120 reported. On that. 842 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,920 I wouldn't be surprised. No, I wouldn't be surprised 843 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,000 either and also the wife is probably terrified. 844 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,360 Well, and it also sounds like he's doing this to people that 845 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,960 he doesn't know. Oh, not at all. 846 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,320 So there's like this. There's no. 847 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,280 Feeling there, no personal feelings, right? 848 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,640 So there was also cannibalistic acts as we mentioned earlier, 849 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,000 such as consuming the sexual organs several cases that year. 850 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,080 They think that it was tied to its impotence and the arousal 851 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,400 also derived from violence. So that is that's. 852 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,120 This just keeps getting. Crazier. 853 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,880 I know all of that happened in one year. 854 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,120 Again, we're still in the same year here. 855 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:07,320 So by late 1984, Andre's operations extended to targeting 856 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:13,600 still vulnerable transients and it the next, so the next one, 857 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,840 the age difference is just so big to me on this one. 858 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,680 She was 44 years old. What? 859 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,440 That's a big difference, dude, because generally he stayed 860 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,480 under like 21. Yeah, 22, right? 861 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,680 And so now we're doubling the age. 862 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,160 We're going from 7 to 44, right? That's that's a wild difference. 863 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,440 Like he has no preference at all. 864 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,680 I do think that he has a preference for children, but it 865 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,640 doesn't really matter that much at the end of the day. 866 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,720 It's just the opportunity of. It is. 867 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,640 He's an opportunistic killer for during this period, the 868 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,760 brutality intensified investigative pressure, though 869 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,200 the Soviet authority's forensic limitations delayed the linkage. 870 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,240 In 1985, activity briefly subsided before resuming with 871 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:15,520 two murders in August. 18 year old Natalia Pok Pok Listova who 872 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,240 was stabbed 38 times after strangulation. 873 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,360 A woman named Irina, who was 18, and she was stabbed and left 874 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,280 exposed near a bus stop. Oh, he's getting. 875 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,800 Careless. Completely. 876 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,520 He doesn't give two shits anymore. 877 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,040 Yeah, these incidents maintain core patterns, but he started to 878 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,440 get a little cautious in September of 84 because he was 879 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,600 arrested for behaving suspiciously at a bus station. 880 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,120 Thank God. Like what? 881 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,080 But like what? What suspicious thing are you 882 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,200 doing? Is it maybe? 883 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,080 Does he boring people into the woods? 884 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,680 It's that or maybe he has blood on him. 885 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,800 Maybe or like or. He's too close to a kid. 886 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,200 An organ. Making a kid feel uncomfortable. 887 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,400 Yeah, who knows? He's eating an organ. 888 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,080 He's just holding a Dick in his hand, chewing on it. 889 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,600 But again. We're not a hot dog. 890 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,360 We don't have hot dogs here. This is what the Russia. 891 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,280 He avoided suspicion again on the murder charges because his 892 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,680 blood type didn't match the suspect profile. 893 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,600 Weird. Yeah, he was still in prison for 894 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,000 three months on a number of minor outstanding offenses. 895 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,600 So. Okay, so the blood type, so his 896 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,040 actual blood type was type A, which was different to the type 897 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,640 found on the other bodily fluid. That's AB Yeah. 898 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,440 He was a member of a minority group known as non sequiturs, 899 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,280 whose blood type cannot be inferred by anything other than 900 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,720 an actual blood sample. So his blood's tricky. 901 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,720 So it could change. Yeah. 902 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,080 It could test for different things when it's not. 903 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400 Out when it's actual blood. When it's not inside his body. 904 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,600 No, when it's just not legitimate blood because they 905 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,960 tested the semen and determined what it would be, which I don't 906 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,600 know how that works. That's weird. 907 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,760 But yeah, OK. But the AB wasn't his blood 908 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,920 type. So then they were like, Oh well, 909 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,160 he couldn't have committed these because he's type A. 910 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,040 That is so crazy. The police only had that sample 911 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,600 of semen and not actual blood from the crime scenes. 912 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,480 So he was able to escape that suspicion of murder. 913 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,720 Obviously, today there's more sophisticated DNA techniques 914 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,120 that yeah, that would that wouldn't have happened. 915 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,840 Right, right, right, right. But whatever. 916 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,920 Well, his DNA, they'd be able to be like, we're going to swap 917 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,400 your cheek. Or whatever it is and it's going 918 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,800 to match properly. Juice in this cup or. 919 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,880 Something something in a booger. Lick up something. 920 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,200 Who knows? So he found work as a traveling 921 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,600 buyer for a train company. Don't know what that is. 922 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:03,160 Which was based in Novo Chekovsk and that pronounced that all the 923 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,080 way wrong. I've missed a few letters but 924 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,800 that's OK. He managed to keep a low profile 925 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,880 during this time until later in 85 where he murdered two women 926 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,320 in separate incidents. So around the same time as those 927 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:22,000 murders. Burakov, the detective who was 928 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,880 frustrated with the lack of positive progress, engaged the 929 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,240 help of a psychiatrist, Andrei Bukanovsky. 930 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,320 So many Andres. Oh no, his name is Alexander. 931 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,560 I don't know why I said that. Thank. 932 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,800 You, Andrei, is the murder. It is the murder. 933 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,800 OK, Alexander tracks to it for Russian. 934 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,280 Yeah, yeah, it does. Who refined the profile of the 935 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,960 killer? So Bukanovsky described the 936 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,000 serial killer as a necrosadist for someone who achieves sexual 937 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,040 gratification from the suffering and death of others. 938 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,680 He also placed the killer's age between 45 and 50, significantly 939 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,000 older than what 2 had been believed up to that point. 940 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,840 Desperate to catch the killer, the detective even interviewed a 941 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,920 serial killer who was Anatoly Slivko. 942 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,920 He was a pedophile, rapist, necrophiliac and serial killer 943 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,440 active in the Nevanomesque Russia over a period of 20 944 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,200 years. Slivko convict convinced 43 945 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,280 teenage bull boys. Wow. 946 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,240 He convinced 23 bulls. To turn into blades, he 947 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:33,280 convinced 43 teenage boys to let him, to let him hang them until 948 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,400 they became unconscious so he could molest them before 949 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,800 reviving them himself. And I think. 950 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,560 How do you talk someone into that? 951 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,760 Don't know, don't know do. You want to play a game? 952 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,800 Do you want to play a game? Yeah. 953 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600 What? It's wild, but that's what he 954 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,520 did and I think. He's like, what are you doing 955 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:51,880 today? Trying. 956 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,960 To remember the article? Yeah. 957 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,480 Are you busy? Yeah, do. 958 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,120 You like ropes? Do you like not being alive? 959 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,000 No, I cannot. I'm pretty sure I didn't write 960 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,520 it down, but in an article I read, I think eight of eight of 961 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,960 the boys died from this. So not all of them died 43, 962 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,200 Eight out of 43. That's not bad. 963 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,240 I mean, the percentage is in his favor. 964 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,040 It is. They're probably going to live, 965 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,440 but that was He interrogated him shortly before his execution in 966 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,720 an attempt to gain some insight to this elusive serial killer, 967 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,800 coinciding with his attempt to understand the mind of the 968 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,240 killer. Attacks seemed to dry up and the 969 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,480 police suspected that their target might have just stopped 970 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,960 killing, been incarcerated for other crimes, or died. 971 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:40,200 However, in early 1988, Andre again resumed his killing, the 972 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,960 majority occurring away from the Rostov area this time, and the 973 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,400 victims were no longer taken from local public transport 974 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,040 outlets because the police surveillance of those areas 975 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440 continued and got heavier. He's smart. 976 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,800 Yeah, he is. Like, I don't know how he 977 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,960 managed to evade police while it was being policed. 978 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,800 Yes, but he did. I'm sure that investigator. 979 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,600 Was fucking pissed. So frustrated. 980 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,200 Because he's doing this for years. 981 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,800 Yeah, I can't imagine doing. It's a project that never ends. 982 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,920 That would stress me the fuck out. 983 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,880 Well. And have having more people die 984 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,920 while you're, you know, you wanna get. 985 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,760 It all the time. You wanna get ahead of it, but. 986 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,880 You can't you. Can't. 987 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,520 You're so yeah. Wow. 988 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,600 Like, and people are dying a lot. 989 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400 It's not, you know, like almost every day, pretty much. 990 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,480 Every day they're finding a body. 991 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,840 Pretty much. So over the next two years, the 992 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,480 body count increased by a further 19 victims. 993 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,920 Jeez. And it appeared that the killer 994 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,520 was taking increasing risk, focusing primarily on young boys 995 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,040 and often actually killing in public places where the risk of 996 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,240 detection was far higher. God, I need him to get caught. 997 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:57,320 I know. So now we're pushing into this 998 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,960 time of it's the Gorbachev Glasnost society, which is like 999 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,760 when the policies sought to introduce like market reforms, 1000 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,400 increase transparency, transparency, reduce censorship 1001 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,800 and all this shit. Like there's gonna be a big 1002 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,880 shift in the Soviet in the Soviet Union during this time, 1003 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,120 which placed a shit ton of public pressure on the police 1004 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,880 forces to actually catch the killer. 1005 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,960 Oh, I believe that. So the general police patrols 1006 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,440 were heavily stepped up, with Berkov targeting the likely 1007 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,480 areas, with undercover police now an attempt to flush out the 1008 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,280 killer. Andre still evaded capture 1009 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,840 narrowly on a couple of occasions. 1010 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,400 But on November 6th of 1990, fresh from killing his final 1011 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:43,360 victim, Svetta Klarsta, his suspicious behavior was noted by 1012 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,240 a patrolling policeman at the station nearby, and his details 1013 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,880 were taken. His name was linked to a 1014 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,240 previous arrest in 84 and then he was now placed under 1015 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:54,040 surveillance. Oh. 1016 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,840 So now that can sneak into this, this sounds fun like I would 1017 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,320 want to watch this movie. So that was November 6th when he 1018 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,680 the fresh from the killing thing. 1019 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,760 He was actually arrested on November 20th of 1990 following 1020 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,840 more suspicious behavior, but he refused to confess to any of the 1021 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,480 killings. At first, Burakov, the 1022 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,960 detective, decided to allow the psychiatrist who had prepped the 1023 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,440 original profile to talk to Andre under the guise of trying 1024 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,480 to understand the mind of a killer from a scientific 1025 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,640 context. So now he has some ego, you 1026 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,280 know? Of course. 1027 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,480 That is brought into this. He was clearly flattered by this 1028 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,240 approach, and he opened up to the psychiatrist, providing 1029 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:42,000 extensive details of all of his killings and even leading the 1030 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,280 police to the sights of the bodies previously undiscovered. 1031 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,800 So he just switched. It up? 1032 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,720 Yep. He went from I'm giving you 1033 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,480 nothing to like. Oh, you wanna write a book on me 1034 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,240 or something like that? Yeah. 1035 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,520 Oh, you're interested in? Me, that was very smart of them 1036 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,960 to do. He claimed to have taken the 1037 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:04,120 lives of 56 victims, although only 53 of these could be 1038 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,960 independently verified. The figure was far in excess of 1039 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,440 the 36 cases that the police had initially initially initially 1040 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,480 attributed to their serial killer. 1041 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,280 Having been declared sane and fit to stand trial. 1042 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,320 Andre went to court on April 14th of 1992. 1043 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,760 That was some little before I was born. 1044 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,560 I was born in September of 92. That is wild it seems like. 1045 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,800 I know. This is a while. 1046 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,400 Ago, but it also seems like the other day because I feel like I 1047 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,560 was born 2 days ago. Anything that happens in our 1048 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,720 lifetime. Seems so recent. 1049 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,440 Yeah, because time flies. Because we were here when it 1050 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,240 happened. In a way, yeah. 1051 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,360 Which is fucking nuts. It is really nuts. 1052 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,520 Throughout the trial, he was held in an iron cage designed to 1053 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,720 keep him apart from the relatives of his many victims. 1054 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:53,680 Well. Thank God. 1055 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,440 Because I mean, there were relatives in the prison, but 1056 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,160 that's fine. Refer to the media as the quote 1057 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,160 maniac. His behavior in court range from 1058 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,800 board to manic. Oh, so this was in courtroom 1059 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,400 that he kept in the metal box, not in the jail? 1060 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,560 That makes sense. Yeah. 1061 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,000 I don't know why I didn't link that. 1062 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,360 It's OK. It's I'm here. 1063 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,640 I got you. I got you. 1064 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,000 Thank God, what would I do? College. 1065 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,760 What would I do? So the behavior was ranging from 1066 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,320 board to manic singing and talking gibberish. 1067 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,600 At one point he was even reported to having dropped his 1068 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,240 trousers, waving his genitals at the assembled crowd. 1069 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,760 He's just doing the helicopter. Want to see something cool? 1070 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:45,280 How's this for distraction? The judge appeared less than 1071 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,480 impartial, often over ruling Andre's defense lawyer, and it 1072 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,160 was clear that his guilt was a foregone conclusion. 1073 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:56,920 Yeah, the trial lasted until August, so April to August. 1074 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,320 That's a long time. A long time. 1075 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,400 There's also a lot of victims and I'm sure that. 1076 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,000 They have to go through. Their piece? 1077 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,920 Each one, every each one deserves their time. 1078 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,960 Absolutely. Surprisingly so. 1079 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,520 The lasted until August and surprisingly, given the judge 1080 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,040 the judge's bias, the verdict was not announced until two 1081 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,360 months later, in October 15th of 1992. 1082 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,080 So I was born now which is crazy I. 1083 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,200 Was three. Wow. 1084 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,160 This is because of you. I know him. 1085 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,440 That's your dad. So he held his verdict for two 1086 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,000 months. Not really sure why but it was 1087 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,920 and Andre was found guilty on 52 of the 53 murder charges. 1088 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,160 Don't know why only that one. I don't know what happened with 1089 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,400 the one. It could have been maybe the one 1090 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,600 that happened and someone was sentenced. 1091 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,640 To. Maybe they were just like, you 1092 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,760 can't claim that one because we've already done that and 1093 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,920 that's just going to fuck up our shit, so we don't want to file 1094 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,240 that paperwork. Interesting. 1095 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,000 Or maybe the one they found that was basically like a skeleton. 1096 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,680 Oh yeah, maybe. Maybe, I don't know. 1097 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,720 There could have been no DNA evidence to to link it. 1098 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,120 Since it was found like 9 months. 1099 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,760 Later, I think he said he confessed. 1100 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,800 Oh, he's like I did that one. Yeah, OK, so I don't know. 1101 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,240 But anyway, he was sentenced to death for each of the murders. 1102 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:23,440 So he's dying 52 times. I wish you. 1103 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,080 Know, I know. Wouldn't it be wild just like 1104 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,560 boom resuscitate? I think I think we've talked 1105 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,040 about this. Before, I think it was our first 1106 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,400 episode of honesty like. He should be killed the way that 1107 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,680 he killed, you know I. Feel like he would enjoy it. 1108 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,320 He might. He might, he might get off on. 1109 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,880 It he might. What a. 1110 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,280 Sicko, I know he. Jizz in his pants again. 1111 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,360 Probably. And then everyone would laugh at 1112 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,840 him again and then his pee would burn. 1113 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,880 So Andre's appeal centered around the claim that the 1114 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,480 psychiatric evaluation which had found him fit to stand trial was 1115 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,560 bias. But the process was 1116 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,880 unsuccessful. 16 months later he was executed by a shot to the 1117 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,720 back of the head behind the right ear on either February 1118 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,560 14th or 16th. One of those in 1994. 1119 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,840 It's fine. So I was two, You were five. 1120 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,160 Yeah. And. 1121 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,320 My sister was born. Oh wow, I know how cool it's. 1122 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,720 Crazy. It was a family affair. 1123 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,960 The psychiatrist who had been instrumental in his capture? 1124 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,600 Alexander Bukhonovsky went on to become a celebrated expert on 1125 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,680 sexual disorders as well as serial killers. 1126 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,600 So there was this one quote that came from Andre that was 1127 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,160 renowned. And it was, I'm a mistake of 1128 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,760 nature, a mad beast. And I'm like, that's incredibly 1129 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,360 profound for you. Well, it's also very true. 1130 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,280 It is true, but then if you look at the the psychological 1131 00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,480 breakdown of what that woman wrote about, you do very much 1132 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,880 see the impact of. The nurture. 1133 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,080 The nurture aspect, I guess, and and what he was surrounded by, 1134 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,200 like all of the famine, you know, being picked on having all 1135 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,280 of these disorders. All those traumas. 1136 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,720 Yes, those did impact him and did mold him in that kind of way 1137 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,440 based off of what she discussed at least. 1138 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,720 And she was getting like her master's in clinical psychology. 1139 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,440 She probably knows. She I feel like she knows a 1140 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,480 thing or. Better than us? 1141 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,080 I don't know. She's probably a president. 1142 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:28,960 Really smart. Yeah. 1143 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,080 She went to college. She's in Congress. 1144 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,200 Yeah. I don't even know if they have 1145 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,440 that over there. She is Congress. 1146 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,480 She works for Putin. She's Putin's publicist. 1147 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:51,760 Oh, she's. My mom, but because we were 1148 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,160 talking about this earlier, before we started recording how 1149 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,280 there are serial killers that definitely get molded. 1150 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,320 You know, they do. They are very much shaped by 1151 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,360 what's around them. Yeah, unfortunately that it 1152 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,920 does. We talk about having that innate 1153 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,320 innocence, you know, that most people aren't born right off the 1154 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,880 bat wanting to kill people. Sure, there are people that are 1155 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,720 like that because we hear of of them. 1156 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,840 Yeah. But at some point or another, I 1157 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:20,360 think that whether you're nurtured, you know, well or, or 1158 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,880 had a poor upbringing, yeah, something triggers in your brain 1159 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,120 that you see something and you're like, ooh. 1160 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,800 Yes. I'm curious. 1161 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,800 Yes. And you go down that. 1162 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:35,160 Switch that gets turned on, yeah, that I don't think would 1163 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,320 have with someone who has like a normal, I guess chemistry maybe. 1164 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,080 Everyone's brain, I feel like it's different as far as like 1165 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,320 chemical levels, yes. So maybe there's something tied 1166 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,400 to that. I would assume so, yeah, that's 1167 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,520 my guess, yeah. But I know that she was heavily 1168 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,840 leaning on how much his upbringing impacted him. 1169 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,680 Yeah, because I I I mean, that time was very trying. 1170 01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,320 This was World War 2 famine bombs going off upon his 1171 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,520 birthing. Hungry. 1172 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,240 They're very hungry. Pee pee pee pants. 1173 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,480 Pee pee pants. And it hurt too. 1174 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,720 And then his brain had headaches. 1175 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,920 Too much jizz. Quick, quick. 1176 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,760 Jizz so fast, so fast. He just, he couldn't, he didn't 1177 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,080 have time. He didn't mean it. 1178 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,080 This is all an accident. He's NFS. 1179 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,960 He's. Like mom, they're making fun of 1180 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,520 me. Just gonna kill somebody. 1181 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:30,640 Oh, yeah, Yeah. Hey. 1182 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,400 So yeah. So that's not fair that he was 1183 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,160 just shot in the back of the head. 1184 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,560 It was quick. And why behind the right ear? 1185 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:39,600 I don't know. Why not in the? 1186 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,480 Middle. I read that on Murderpedia. 1187 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,800 I don't know what bothers. Me needs to be right. 1188 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,840 There center it should be, but maybe there's like a higher 1189 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,600 level of survival if that happens. 1190 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,840 I'm sure they know. Maybe, I don't know. 1191 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,560 Russians know how. To they know how to kill. 1192 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,080 Take out people. Yeah, I. 1193 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:56,840 Feel. Take us out. 1194 01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,320 No, we love Russia. We stand with Russia. 1195 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,160 I'm just kidding. No, stop kidding. 1196 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:05,520 I'm just kidding. We don't. 1197 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,760 We don't, we don't take that out. 1198 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,640 Got that cancelled. But that's what a crazy case. 1199 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,000 It is. It was just killing after 1200 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,440 killing after killing, and it just got bigger and bigger and 1201 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,480 bigger and no one knew what to do that. 1202 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,400 I'm fucking that detective. He put his foot down. 1203 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,400 He was like, there's something going on. 1204 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,120 Yeah, good on him, because I feel like if he didn't step up 1205 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,000 and do something, this fucker would have kept going. 1206 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:38,680 Oh. Absolutely. 1207 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,640 Until his death. Easy. 1208 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,880 How old was he when he was? I don't know. 1209 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,080 Executed I. Don't know. 1210 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,680 So this was in which? So it was in 1994 and he was 1211 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,560 born in 36. So I'm gonna do a calculator 1212 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,760 math. So he was much older, 6060 1213 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,960 something, 61. I don't know 58. 1214 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,640 OK, so I was so. Close. 1215 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,520 You were really close. Wow, Math. 1216 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:11,000 Numbers, Yeah. Wow that's that is fucked 1217 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,160 instead of shooting him in the head though. 1218 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,960 They should have. They should have studied his 1219 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,600 brain. I really thought we were going 1220 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,360 in the same direction. I really did. 1221 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,200 Why not take his brain and study it or something They. 1222 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,200 Should have. You know. 1223 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,720 They studied him out loud, I guess they talked to him. 1224 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,520 They did have that psychiatrist. Who? 1225 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,000 Yeah. Who went on to be a renowned, 1226 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,640 you know. It's like I just. 1227 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,760 Yep, he sure did. She psychiatried him. 1228 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,120 Yeah. So good cuz she's a 1229 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,400 psychiatrist. That's what she did. 1230 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,240 Or he did anyway. The him. 1231 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,960 The actual psychiatrist that studied him, yeah, back in the 1232 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,600 day when he was alive, yeah, yes, that was a man. 1233 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,840 That was Alexander and then the woman who did the actual 1234 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,400 clinical. Dissertation yes, is a. 1235 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,560 Woman is a woman. And is she Russian? 1236 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,400 Yes, OK. She was studying at the I think 1237 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,320 it's the university, University of Moscow. 1238 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,960 OK, feel like I wanna say that's what it is those. 1239 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,760 Poor, poor kids. The. 1240 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,680 Yeah. Now is there pictures of like 1241 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,240 him and. There's pictures of him, but I 1242 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,920 didn't. I honestly didn't really look 1243 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,720 into pictures, OK all that much. I just saw. 1244 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,320 Yeah, I was just interested in in. 1245 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,560 First of all, everything. Yeah, all of that. 1246 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,120 Do you remember the stuff that I just talked about? 1247 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,440 Yeah, I was interested. In that part for the last hour 1248 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,520 that I've been talking. Yeah. 1249 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,040 Okay. That part was interesting. 1250 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,440 But I did see pictures of him. I saw a picture of when he was 1251 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,320 like younger and doing committing the murders. 1252 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,560 Okay. And then after his arrest. 1253 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,600 Okay, well you said in the courtroom they had press. 1254 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,320 Did you mention that? Had press in the courtroom. 1255 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,920 I know they had. There were people assembled in 1256 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:05,960 there. So I'm so impressed. 1257 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,720 Most likely cameras. There were there were pictures 1258 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,880 of him. From okay from cool, that's what 1259 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,800 I want to see. Yeah, so it's there. 1260 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,040 He looks crazy. Yeah, I wanna see that. 1261 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,600 So yeah, I mean that's. I guess murdering doesn't. 1262 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,840 You don't age well. It does when you murder. 1263 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,160 No, I don't think so. Yeah. 1264 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,160 I feel like it's probably kind of like drugs or. 1265 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,440 Something it's like draining it. Yeah, it has to be draining. 1266 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,240 Because he's literally working, I think, yeah. 1267 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,280 Well, he was like selling trains or something. 1268 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,640 Something, yeah, like, I don't know, like. 1269 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,360 Listen to this train. Don't you want to buy it? 1270 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,600 Come with me, I have one in the woods. 1271 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,880 What a beer. He was. 1272 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,120 Nuts. He was nuts. 1273 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,040 I'm just surprised about how he's like how he was able to 1274 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,000 lure, but he he lured vulnerable people. 1275 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,640 Well, how long it went on? It went on for so long, God. 1276 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:06,960 So long and it really tells you how much like the ability to 1277 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,320 study forensics is important. Like that technology is so 1278 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,760 vital. Thank goodness that we have that 1279 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,080 now. I mean, it still can be not 1280 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,080 accurate at times 'cause I know they like debunked, like blood 1281 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,720 splatter, splatter, whatever and shit like that and like 1282 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,200 follicles. I think it's. 1283 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,800 Splatter but but wow, that tough for Dylan. 1284 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,200 I don't do this. Anymore blood, blood patter, 1285 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,880 blood splatter, splatter. Anyways, did I say spatter 1286 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,240 college? Anyway, thank you so much for 1287 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,760 listening. Yeah, don't, don't do what he 1288 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:46,960 did. Don't do what he did, and we 1289 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:47,960 didn't do what he did. We. 1290 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,880 Did not do it, Not at all. So stay safe and remember we 1291 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:54,680 didn't do it.