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We're going to be making content for that that is going to be
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So what should we wear? I don't know.
I was thinking what we should wear to that.
I don't know. And should we go like sporty?
Cash or should we be like, should we be professional jeans?
Oh, OK. I was like, I have a nice satin
skirt. Like AI have a.
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You're not a blouse person. No, OK, no, that's fine.
I'm not. I like tank tops.
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I own a lot of jeans. I washed some of your jeans
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Well, it wasn't really. It was fake blood.
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OK? There's certain things we've
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That was so much work. It was.
It was we had to make a dead body.
Yeah, which I just threw out. The whole thing, sorry.
The whole thing. I owe you a tarp.
Oh fuck, I forgot about that. It was.
Covered in corn starch. And corn syrup, whatever.
Yeah, both of them it was. Covered in corn juice.
Yeah, and dye. And it was gross.
OK, So you did not want that back and it was taking up space
in the garage? It was.
Cutting me off I I believe it. So I mean I threw up throughout
the down comforter that. Was I know that's what I was
concerned about. I didn't even think about the
jar. I was like, you just threw the
whole thing. Yeah, we have more.
OK, it's fine. What's one more blanket?
It's really not. Everything's fine.
It is. So yeah, really, really, really
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Yes, we had a guest last week and we had to deal with you guys
sharing a mic, which was. Which you could probably hear in
the episode because I did sound distant, because I was trying to
talk into the side of it and it was a whole thing.
Yeah, you sounded a little bit far away, but I mean, it got the
job done. It did.
But it would be nice to have another microphone.
Right. Which means we need another one
of those things too. We need another stand, We need
another interface because there is XLR cord.
That goes into that. It's a whole thing.
But we're going to be, we're
going to get there. Yes.
And I have another guest lined up, but he doesn't get out of
prison until. November.
So we're gonna have him via Zoom.
Yeah, we're gonna be actually having a convicted felon who has
served a lot of time in prison. He's gonna be on the podcast.
Give us some insight. Yeah, so questions about that,
put it in the Patreon. I have my own questions.
Yeah. Which I'll put in the Patreon
too. That way you have an idea of
what to look forward. To like what is the meal plan?
What? Well, I want to know, like,
what's your first day in prison like?
Like, what's going through your head knowing that you have to
spend years, sometimes life inside of a prison?
Like, what is your mindset? What were you afraid of?
How did you fit in? What was your plan?
You know I want to know. All of everything, yeah.
And how? How did you decide who you like
your friends, were going to be? Oh, that's one of my biggest
things. Like, how do you decide who
you're going to hang with? Yeah, well, and unfortunately I
think in prison it's a lot of like.
Race by. Color.
Yeah, yeah. Which is disgusting, but it's
how they survive in there. Yeah, you know.
However, that is weird. That is so weird.
But it will be interesting to hear about.
I mean honestly I would probably hang out with like the girls
that could like do my hair. Oh yeah.
And that had a lot of commissary I feel.
Yeah, or that was really good at a hobby.
And maybe, like, murdered people so I could ask her questions
and, you know, maybe not get too close.
No, not too, too close because I feel like there was that one, we
didn't actually post this one, but where she became friends
with another like serial murderer and that extended her
stay in prison or something because they're just like, oh,
you can't trust them. Like they're like.
Yeah, true. They're being besties.
Yeah, I mean, so you're fucking sick, you know?
Yeah, you are who you hang out with.
That's true. You are who you eat.
If they kill you, kill.
So anyway. Anyway, I think that's really,
really cool. It is cool and we'll post like a
post to request questions and. Still have a list of cases the
best getting to. Yeah, I know.
But the best questions, the next case that I do is going to be a
case that was given to me, OK, from someone else.
That's great. I think we owe it to them,
especially now that they're. Paying, I know.
They're just so cool. It is really cool.
So cool, and it's only $4.00 a month.
I don't know if I've said that already.
You have it's so it's fine, but I don't know if you guys know,
but it's $4.00 a month. Yeah.
I mean, in the $4.00 come up off it, Yeah, it's not a lot to you
guys, but it means a lot. So like, you don't.
When she texted me, she's like, we have two subscribers.
It was like, I don't know, it's like our whole world, Yeah, was
just uplifted. Well, yeah, I mean, we started
this as like, you know, I don't want to say hobby, but just.
I mean kind of like a project we started.
A project and we didn't know where it was going to go.
No. And I mean, we're still so
fucking new. We're still on a six year old
bedroom. We're still in a six year old
bedroom with this stuffed corn on the cob, but.
I when. I texted you and I said our
podcast is now like we have revenue.
Yeah, that's wild. That is a bananas thought.
I know it's so cool and we're not going to stop.
We're going to work harder. We're.
Going to do. Better.
We're going to do more. Yep.
And it's just but don't expect us to get more professional.
Oh, absolutely not. We're still.
Going to be us. We're going to.
This is.
We're still going to be dumb. Oh yeah, medium smart.
Medium smart is what you get. And triangles shapes.
Are 17 to 18 sides, college is Notre Dame.
East Coast. Touchdown.
We spend way too much. Time, but yeah.
Yeah, super pumped, Super pumped.
But you're reading a book right now.
I'm reading a book right now and it's so so good.
It's like sitting on the dress. She just told me all about it.
I did. We went to a yard sale.
We went sailing. We went sailing and I, I saw
this book and I was like, I like the name of it.
It's called Anatomy of an Alibi by Ashley Elson.
And yeah, it's just, it's so good.
I mean, once I started, I couldn't stop, but I had to stop
because we are at the pool where I was.
Hot. Yeah, it was super hot.
Books don't do well in water. But this one's like a quick read
I feel, and I got it for $2.00. I know, that's so cool.
That's the great thing about Yard.
Sales, you can't beat it. No, you can't.
It's hard cover. It still has the the paper
cover. Around it, nothing is like
fucked up about it. Nothing's fucked up, it's on
perfect condition. It sounds like someone purchased
it because they thought it sounded cool and never got to.
It yeah, I don't think it was ever read because the pages are
pristine. Yeah, there's no bendy.
No Bendy's and I'm a corner flipper.
Oh, you are. I can.
See, I'm a corner flipper. I have a bookmark.
I'm a bookmark girl. I also have a Kindle though.
Yeah, I can't do Kindle. I need the physical.
Book, that's what I thought too until I switched to the Kindle.
Really. Yeah.
Because it also I have it like on the night time reading, so
it's like dark in the background and whatever it is.
Yeah. And reading in bed is my
favorite and it just helps put me to sleep too.
Yeah. So I can read for like 1/2 hour
or so and then I'm like, I'm very sleepy now.
Yeah, I like to watch TV when I go to bed, but.
I don't think that's good for you.
Always serial killer or killer or murder.
Or Adrian's mom sent me this thing.
He's like, oh, I needed to. It was something on Instagram.
It's like, I need to fuck. I don't know.
I love. That she said that, that's so
helpful. It was something about I need to
like be able to relax because the state of the world or
something. So let me just turn on this
fucking murder documentary. I need to relax, so let me watch
the serial killer. Yes, yes.
Yep, and that's me. Yeah, agreed.
It is me 100%. Yeah.
Oh, I was trying to mention to you when we were downstairs
about we're talking about how that Lady who poisoned her,
whatever, wrote a book, but then made me think of how there are
audiobooks that were out. I don't know if they still are,
but prison, like murderers, like Ed Kemper, I believe he has.
He's read an audiobook and you can hear him read a book.
Like they would do that in prison at that time.
At least. I don't know if they're still
doing that, but yeah. So I don't know if his voice is
still out there or. I would love to hear that.
So I don't know what book it was.
I didn't really look into it, but I know that that was a thing
like prisoners were reading. They were the.
The audio, The voice. Of the.
Wow, the voice of the audio. Of the book audio leak.
Of the reading of the. Voice.
Oh wow. Yeah, because when you watch the
documentary or not the documentary, the Netflix show,
did you watch that? Which one?
Ed Kemper. No, I didn't, Was it?
I've seen the. Edwin.
Edwin freaking Only a mother could love you.
Yeah, I want to hear his voice because they made it sound
really weird. They did.
In that show, I think the actor that played him did great.
He did great but also I think he ruined.
His career. Oh yeah, that's all.
I don't think he can ever do. Anything.
I feel like he's been in other things.
That guy seems very familiar. He's in something else with
Charlie's Charlie, Charlize Theron or whatever her name is.
Sure you don't know how to talk? About I don't know any
celebrity. Oh yeah, you're like my sister.
I'm. Just like the oh, we were
watching the Kevin Hart. Oh my God thing specials.
Yes. And Tom Brady came out.
Yes. I don't, I didn't know what he
looked like. Yeah.
And Adrian's next to me and I said, who's that?
And he said because he was just like, I wasn't expecting that or
whatever. And I was like, who is that man?
I have no idea what's going on. He's like the greatest
quarterback of our. Generation like 8 Super Bowl
things. Yes.
That's that's it. Yeah, he played for the
Patriots, and then he retired and then he came back and played
for the Tampa Bay. Yeah, Steelers.
Buccaneers. I don't know.
Steelers, Pittsburgh. But yeah, no, he's that his
roast was better than Kevin Hart's.
I think I. Don't think so, I haven't
finished it yet it. Was not good.
But I'm not enjoying it all that much.
It was not good. You need to watch the.
Tom Brady one. Yeah.
That one is so much. Better, yeah.
I also don't know a lot of the people that are roasting him.
Yeah, I I just didn't think they, any of them were funny.
OK. That I.
When they made fun of like the other people who were there, not
Kevin. Those are pretty funny, like of
Cheryl. Cheryl.
Whatever her name is. Yes, they a lot of people made
fun of her a lot. She's great.
Her husband that committed suicide and they dogged her
about. Did they?
Did he actually commit suicide or did he just fall off a
bridge? I don't actually know.
I never. I didn't look into it, but it
seemed like he did. Yeah, which was hilarious.
Not that he did that suicide. It's not funny, but they were
really making it yes I mean, they're.
Playing off of that and then also Pete Davidson's dad.
I love Pete Davidson, I really love him.
Did he get all of his tattoos removed?
Yes, he did I. Had no idea he did until I
watched that. I like him a lot.
I liked Shane Gillis, yeah. The host?
Yeah, he was just in Charlotte. I yeah, I liked him at first.
It was like, oh God, this is not going to go well.
Yeah. But then it it got better.
And people are very sensitive to things.
So it was very surprising in like, the comedy community.
Yeah, I was surprised. Did you see the woman sitting
next to Chelsea Handler, who was just, like, sitting there like?
Grumpy. Yeah, and just like, offended.
There are several women that look very offended.
Well, and no one made a joke about her.
You. No, there was a a couple of
people that no one made jokes, right, which is very
interesting. So weird.
Yeah. And I'm just like, if you're in
the comedy community, you're bound to, there's going to be a
lot of, yes, things that are not politically correct.
And that's just something that's accepted in that.
It was just really bizarre. Yeah, really bizarre.
OK. Shout out, Tom Brady, Shout out,
you look like now. OK.
But anyway, what are we doing? OK, so this is a case that I'm
going to do backwards. So it's my first time, our first
time trying it this way, yeah. So and it's only taken 3 1/2
years. It's taken a long time.
It's the Green River Killer. Perfect.
So this took place in Washington state and it was in in the 80s,
So in 19, yes. Nope.
Carry on. OK, in 1982, a series of
mysterious murders began plaguing Washington State's King
County. Plaguing.
Yeah, like plaguing. Plaguing.
Looks like a plague.
Plague. Plague.
OK.
As more. Now you need a question every
word you read. Did I say plaguing?
Yes, it's plaguing. Plaguing.
I think it's the same thing. Plague.
Began plaguing Washington state's I think it's the same
thing. I don't think that you're wrong
or anything. May probably do.
Do you want to go there? OK, OK, all right.
It's Jesus. Christ, as more young women
disappeared only for their remains to turn up along the
Green River, investigators race to catch the cold blooded menace
responsible. So these bodies are just piling
up on this river and they're all like, what the fuck is going on
that? 'D be wild to see.
It'd be crazy. And then another.
Body. Not just one body and I'm
talking one time. Going to this river and seeing
multiple bodies, that's wild. Not like 1 body that's.
Like a war zone A. Week later, another body.
No, it's like 4 bodies were found at one.
That's crazy. One time, so the state just got
done catching Ted Bundy. So this was the same area that
Ted Bundy was murdering? They're probably like, can I
catch a? Brady they're like Jesus Christ.
Like I haven't gotten to sleep in four months.
The. Investigator and we'll get into
a little later, but the investigator that finished and
wrapped up TomTom. Tom Brady.
Thomas Jefferson. Ted Bundy, he just got done with
the Ted Bundy cases, then turns around and as this guy, it's
just like, you got to be fucking kidding me.
I'd be pissed like someone else. Yeah, I'd be.
Like I'm retiring, I'm done. Get past.
I'm over. Yeah.
Hard pass. Not me, Jinx.
Over touch their houses, whatever it is, nose goes, nose
goes. That's it.
All right, so they're now realizing that they have another
serial killer among them. In the 80s and 90s, there were
between 48 to 71 women who went missing and found murdered in
Seattle, WA. 48 to 71, yeah. That's, I don't know why it was
such a wide range, but I think that some murders or bodies that
maybe were overdoses or. Or something.
That they couldn't. They couldn't pin to that
person, they couldn't necessarily.
No, they couldn't pin to that person.
OK. That's what it sounded like.
You said OK. In July of 1982, children found
the strangled body of Wendy Caulfield, 16 years old,
floating in Seattle's Green River naked with jeans tied
around her neck. Over the following weeks, four
more bodies were discovered in or along its banks.
All women were strangled, so it seems pretty personal.
It seems like he has a problem with women.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'd say so.
Yeah, he don't like him. Yeah.
On August 15th, so the dates of the other ones, I'm not exactly
sure, but it's very recently. It was like boom, boom, boom.
Three more bodies were found and Detective David.
On August 15th alone, three more bodies were found.
Yes, wow. Yes, Detective David, right
shirt. I'm going to say right shirt.
OK was one of the first authorities to arrive at the
scene. Marcy Chapman, 31, was found in
the shallow water alongside the naked body of 17 year old
Cynthia Hynes. OK, so there's a a so we have
gap in age. Yeah, we have a 30.
One year old, a 17 year old and a 16 year old and we'll get into
more of the ages, OK? Nearby in the undergrowth lay
the body of Opal Mills, 16 blue trousers nodded around her neck,
breasts exposed, bruises apparent on her arms and legs.
Wow, now that saying to. Me.
Is that like fighting or to me? That she was alive during those.
Yeah. You know.
During the abuse, yeah, Whatever it was, yeah.
Dead bodies don't get bruised. No, I like the name Opal.
I know Opal's sweet. I know the sweet name.
She's probably a sweet girl. By this time, there had been a
dozen young woman bodies young. Young women, Young women's
bodies, women. Young women's bodies, anyways,
have been discovered in the river.
Investigators are starting to admit to themselves they have a
serial killer on their hands. It took them that long.
It took them to have. Let's see.
It does. It's not one, it's not 2, it's
not 3, it's not 4, but 12. Right.
At least. Insane.
OK, so. I feel like at 3, at three, if
they're all in the same vicinity, I'd say serial.
Killing the same way. Yes, honestly, two.
Yeah, 2 would be enough. Like 2.
There's a pattern already starting.
Yep. So the very next day, so they
found those bodies on August 15th.
So August 16th, a police task force is set up after set up
after the King County Sheriff Office set up.
Whoa, we'll get there. They set up a fucking task.
Force. OK, things were set up A.
Green River Task force to investigate the killings.
The body count rose as more victims were discovered along
the river and in the area around the Seattle Tacoma International
Airport. Wow, this river's close to the
airport. Yeah, in.
Tacoma, welcome to here. Welcome to geography class.
The killer had simple methods and how they picked their
victims because mainly the women were sex workers or runaways.
OK. Bodies just kept piling up week
after week, and they're just like, what?
The fuck Yeah. What the They don't know what to
do. They can't catch them quick
enough. You.
Know what I mean? But I thought like if it were
me, if I were an investigator first.
It's come the stream, the river is is flowing in a direction.
You would think they would stake out the river.
Yes. To see OK.
Up the river, who's? Coming to the river.
Who's hanging around here? Who's dropping off in the middle
of the night? Who has something?
Shaped like a body. Right.
Some sort of patrol of that. Well, it.
Must be a long river. Maybe you just put them in the
river and they floated. Down but I feel like you would
also know like how long they've been in the river, you know I
don't actually know I. Don't know either, I feel like
back in those days. The 80s. 80s which were not that
long ago the serial killer. This was the time, do you know?
Also, Ted Bundy just did a shit. So I'm just, they're just kind
of like local. Let's give in a minute, let's
hit 35 bodies and then we'll do something.
And, you know, I don't even know if these women were reported
missing. That's also they were, yeah, a
lot of them. A lot.
Of them were sex workers, yes, or runaways.
So the head investigator on the task force, Bob.
Bob, Bobby. Received a letter addressed to
the task force. The letter came from a cell in
death row in Florida. The sender?
Ted motherfucking Bundy. He can't just shut up.
He. Is like.
He's like, hey, I know what's happening over there.
I. Know something about serial
colors? I might be able to help you.
Which cool. And Bob Bobby was the head
investigator for the Bundy case and he's like, fuck Teddy, I'm
done with you. We went over this.
Bundy mentioned that he had some information that could be useful
in helping them find the person responsible for the murders.
Not only did he want insight into what Bundy was referring
to, so Bobby, but also because there are still 8 victims of
Bundy's that can't be found and he wanted to get that
information from Bundy. What does Bundy want, though?
Well, Bundy. Notoriety.
Probably. Yeah, just to be included.
Yeah, he just wants to fit in so.
Bob did end up flying to Florida where Bundy was on death row.
OK, they were brought into an interview room.
Bundy was brought in with shackles on Classic.
Yeah. They interviewed him for hours.
Bundy went into detail about what's in the mind of serial
killer. Which cigarettes?
I'm so jealous that. Oh, they were able to do that.
They were able to do that, yeah. I mean, I'm sure they were
fucking over it, but he mentioned his familiar knowledge
of the Seattle area and how that area gives the killer motivation
to commit these crimes. He's like, you live there man,
and you're just, you're just bound to become a.
Killer. It's so gloomy, Yeah.
It's. It's raining all the time.
So depressed you hate everyone so and so you start killing
them. Yeah, classic.
It's a natural chain of events. It's just what happens there, he
said. His feeling is that the killer
is killing them fast. That's OK.
He sees him Kill what? So fast made you think that is
it cuz there's four bodies at a time.
Because there's so many bodies that he wants to feel the
feeling of killing so. If he kills quick he needs.
Another one quick. He needs another one quick.
Yeah, it's his fix. Yeah, it's not like the raping
or whatever it is, it's. Like the actual killing part
Yeah, Bundy helped them with a profile of the killer, which is
insane but so cool. I don't know how he helped them,
but, well, I'll tell you. Sorry.
It was super interesting because Ted Bundy's ego would show
throughout the interview. Oh, I'm sure.
Because he said this killer is a second grade killer.
Because he's killing sex workers and runaways.
Because they were just easy. Yeah, while he targeted like
students, yes, and higher risk people that would.
Targets, yeah, people that it would throw a full blown
investigation over the one. Person you know.
Many people know that you know they're like fit into a.
Community this guy is doing which unfortunately people
weren't missing them correct as much which is so sad.
Yeah, it is fucked up. So that was August 16th, a
little after August 16th. So the next day from finding all
the bodies. Yeah, yeah.
April 30th of let me see, I mean April.
I was like, we went backwards. August 30th.
So we're moving now into no. 15 days later.
No, sorry, we're moving. We went from August and then all
the way to April. Of the next year.
Oh, OK. In the spring of 19.
And he still hasn't been caught. No.
Oh God, yeah. In 1983, sex worker Marie
Malvar, who's 18, was last seen by her boyfriend getting into a
paint patched pickup with a dark haired man about 30 to 40 years
old. Say that five Times Now.
Paint patch pick up with paint. Patch pick up with a dark haired
man about 30 to 40 years old the next two years.
So over 2 years. So this shit is just like
stretching. Out, yeah.
Stretching out, the investigators have nothing
nothing to go on. The Green River Killer sexually
assaulted and murdered more than 40 women.
Oh wow, so he's worse than Bundy at.
The There's no DNA evidence to be found after a body has been
in the water. Exactly.
It's like they're so. Fucked.
It makes sense. The Bob the Bob investigator
said every time you found a body, it was like being hit on
the head with a baseball bat. As the bodies a number of bodies
grew, so did the number of people assigned to the case.
Well, that's good. This effort morphed into the
Green River Again Task Force, which was massive at this point,
and it was a coalition made-up of local and state law
enforcement. They received hundreds, if not
thousands, of tips on who the Green River Killer might be.
Police called. It's my neighbor.
My ex did. I swear to God.
I swear to God I don't. The guy at the deli didn't slice
my Turkey thin enough and I think it's because he likes to
kill people. My uncle likes to fish and so I
know he's been down to the river.
People called in to alert police about their current and former.
Boyfriends. OK.
Brothers, fathers and stepfathers in mid-september
1982. So going back, one of the tips
that they received during that time, it was a man named Melvin
Wayne Foster. I hate that name.
I hate it too. Melvin.
What's your name?
Melvin. Melvin.
Wayne. That's lame.
He's got to be a killer, right? Melvin.
He was a 43 year old taxi
driver. He'd been married five times and
had done a stretch in prison for auto theft and had He had grown
up in South King County, so he's from the area.
I'm thinking that maybe. Doesn't have the best track
record. Of the profile is like, he knows
the area, things like that, Foster called himself.
So he wanted to give cops information about the Green
River murders. OK.
Foster because he was the cab. That's Melvin Foster.
His last name is Foster, so I can say Melvin.
Melvin frequently came into contact with sex workers both in
downtown Seattle and on the Seattle Tacoma.
Airport. He just implicated himself.
Yeah, pretty bad. Really bad.
Yeah. After the first bodies were
found, Melvin began thinking about some of his fellow
drivers. He decided to tell the police
his suspicions. OK.
So he's like, I know I've seen these, you know, other people.
I'm in the area the women are missing and I want to be able to
help. But also at the same time,
you're calling in, you know, clearly, you know the area,
you've been there a long time. You're hanging with the sex
workers you know, and you think that you know who the person who
the killer is. All all roads lead to you friend
in that way. Which is weird because which?
Sucks because he is trying to help.
He's trying to help I think. He was like, some of my fellow
drivers are super sketchy. I'm thinking you guys need to
look into them. Whatever.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like if I was law enforcement, I would go,
I would look into everybody, you know.
Yeah. I mean, you can't, you can't
eliminate anybody. No, you can't until you can
actually eliminate them, right so.
So after Melvin called, the police promptly made Foster
their prime size. OK.
Yeah, that makes sense. Homicide investigators focus
their attention almost solely on Melvin, overlooking information
that could have helped them understand that the real killer
was still at work. OK.
So surprise, surprise, he is not.
He is not the Green River Killer, but this is just how
desperate the investigators. Were they were like this seems
like it could be promising, so we're just going to lock in on
that and disregard everything else.
And part of the profile that Bundy gave them is be careful.
These murders, just like me, wanna be involved in the
investigation. Wanna you know what I mean?
He fit right. He fit that profile.
Very well. And if if the 2nd grade killer
is killing people that are in a risky business and you know,
runaways, then yeah, he has zero.
He doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, right.
So let's see, oh Sheriff Verne Thomas.
Verne, yes, we have some great names here, the name Melvin, Bob
and Verne. Yeah, and Opal.
Opal, that was a good one. Yeah, he recalls.
Foster looked great as far As for a suspect.
Or he's talking about that he is attracted to him.
I don't. Really, really likes the way his
butt looks. Then King County Executive Randy
Revell. Randy.
Another one, yeah, says police told him in July of 1983 that
they had made a major blunder in focusing too soon on a single
suspect. That's a good word for it,
right? Blunder.
I mean, they, they spent so much time on Melvin, they, they even
staked him out. Yeah, followed him.
They lost a lot of time and resources.
They tapped his phone. They searched his house.
I mean, they, they harassed him to to an extent that that was
unnecessary. There was nothing to prove that
he was the killer and I feel like they definitely
overstepped. Yes, I completely agree.
I too. So what then happened was Melvin
told the press he's like investigators, they are
harassing me, they are not stopping, blah, blah, blah,
blah. So then the cops were like, all
right. We'll back off all.
Right, we'll back off. But they did, you know, get his
DNA. So they just kind of put that on
the back burner. They didn't have anything else.
So, so they did have to move on. At this point, public awareness
that the pattern of disappearances was continuing
throughout the fall might have persuaded some sex workers to
stay away from the airport strip or even the Seattle area all
together. OK.
According to a number of reports on arrests for loitering,
officers made no sustained efforts to record the license
plates of John's. So the John's, that's dumb.
I need to say what John's are, but they hire the sex workers.
Yeah. In fact, the reports indicated
often nobody even tried to get a description of the cars they
drove. Why?
If you're trying to investigate,
you should probably investigate. The killer was still at work
from March of 1983 until late June.
He murdered at least 10 new victims.
Wow. Strewing.
Love that word. Strewing the remains from South
of the airport to east of Enumclaw.
Sounds right. It's a lovely place, so it it's
just, it doesn't stop. No, it's not stopping.
It doesn't. And it doesn't seem like they're
making any legitimate efforts. They're not.
Like they focus on one guy that had nothing they.
Yes, they focused on one guy. Oh, and I forgot to mention,
while they were surveilling him, Yeah, bodies were just.
Still popping up. They're literally watching him
and he's clearly not killing anyone.
So for the first time in over a year, police acknowledged there
were other missing women and that the killer was still likely
prowling the airport strip and still picking up victims like.
Yeah, I think everyone knows that.
They're saying, the investigators say to the public,
do not get into cars with anyone you don't know.
Stranger danger. OK.
What? Great.
Thanks. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Fucking idiots.
I'm so glad I'm in second grade. Police did believe that 2nd
grade killer. Police did believe that the
killer had left because now we're at a break.
There hasn't been any bodies in a certain amount of time, I
don't know how long. I think that says it in a
second, OK. They think that the killers left
or had been frightened by their investigation.
Or died or got incarcerated or something.
Something happened. Moved on to somewhere else.
News coverage of the killings had nearly faded away.
It was just, it was this big thing, no information.
And then it was. Bodies and then OK, we have
nothing to go on. OK.
Yeah. Not that they had much to begin
with. Yeah.
That made it easier for the killer to murder his victims
virtually unnoticed as the brisk sex trafficking resumed.
So huge break and then. And then everyone's like, hey,
shit's back to normal. I might as well go keep killing.
In July, shortly after the announcement that the killer was
apparently still active, county police began a campaign to drive
the women and their pimps from the airport strip.
So they're now saying, we are going to help you guys and drive
you around. We will not arrest you for
loitering. We will not.
We just want to keep you safe. Most of the women went to
downtown Seattle. So did their customers.
But the killer followed them. Of course.
In 1984, detectives were made aware of another person, Gary
Ridgway. He was seen with one of the
victims, Marie Malvar. Now, remember when the boyfriend
of Marie mentioned that he saw Marie getting into the patch
paint patch pickup truck with a dark haired man to his from 30
to 40 years old? Yeah.
Ridgeway was then interviewed in conjunction with that event and
police received several other tips that had mentioned him.
So he was somewhat on the radar, but like I said, everyone was on
their radar. Four days later, police
questioned Ridgeway at his home about his knowledge of Marie
Malvar, whom he denied knowing. OK, I don't know her.
Even though they were seen together.
She didn't get my truck. It was a different guy, is what
he's. OK, saying yes.
In November. I'm picking up what you're
putting. I'm just, I'm just barely.
I'm so tired. Are you putting ointment on that
bar? So in November, police again
spoke with Ridgeway about the murders, but he he denied any
knowledge of the victims. Authorities lacked evidence to
connect him to any of the crimes.
But what police did know of him is that he was known for
soliciting sex workers and was even arrested a few times.
OK. So what they did was when they
brought him in, they had him take a polygraph test, which he
passed. Police did get his DNA.
They were like, he was like. OK, that's.
Good. Take my DNA that's fine.
And it it didn't tie to the the crimes at that time.
Well, they didn't have any evidence.
DNA was not it didn't, it didn't go that far, right.
This was the mid 80s where DNA didn't go.
Yeah, said that. OK, moving forward.
OK, so Fast forward to 2001. That's many years.
Later, that is. So we're talking plus 15.
Years. A long, long time, Yeah.
When DNA. Did go that far?
Yeah, yeah. Advancements in forensic science
allowed authorities to retest stored samples.
OK. So that, like I said, they had.
I like when they do that, they go back and they're just like,
let's, let's check on this now. Let's give these victims another
opportunity for justice. Yeah, I like when there's
justice in the justice system. It's really nice.
I love when people are justified.
In their. Justice in their justifications.
DNA from his saliva taken back in 1984, was matched to the
sperm found on three of the earliest victims.
Oh wow, so Opal, Marcy and Cynthia.
Wow, OK, those are like the beginning ones.
Those are the early. Ones.
So he eventually, I mean, that same month, November, he was
arrested, OK. He was working at the Kenneth
truck factory. He was a spray painter.
I don't know what the fuck that. I think he's just painting the
cars trucks. Or I probably.
I think it's funny that he had a paint patched truck.
For a painter. And then now he paint sprays.
For a living. For a living at a truck factory.
But that's when police arrived to arrest him while he was at
work paint spraying. Yeah, he's not going to keep
that job, right? The four victims named in the
original indictment were Marcy Chapman, Opal Mills, Cynthia
Hines and then a woman named Carol Ann Christensen.
OK. Three more bodies, Wendy
Caulfield, Deborah Bonner and Deborah Estes, were added to the
indictment after a forensic scientist identified microscopic
spray paint spheres as a specific brand and composition
of paint used at the Kenneth factory during the time when
these victims were. Killed.
So they found microscopic spray paint molecules.
Yes, but they had no idea where the fuck they came from.
Which is crazy because nowadays they could narrow that down.
To like a brand, what store you got it at, whatever the fuck.
Yeah, you know what the temperature was that day?
Yeah. So he had worked at this factory
the entire time. Interesting.
Insane. In early of 2003, Seattle
television news reported that Gary Ridgway had been Why is
that funny? I just, I don't know why Seattle
television news. I don't know why that was so
funny. I don't know why I wrote it like
that, but it's the television news.
Not to be confused with. Not to be confused with the
news. The radio news.
Seattle News paper news that he was moved from a maximum
security cell at King County Jail to an Airway Heights
minimum medium security level tank, which sounds so cool.
I don't know what that means, but he was moved to a tank.
But we'll find out in November. Other news reports stated that
his lawyers, led by Anthony Savage, were closing a plea
bargain that would spare him the death penalty in return for his
confessions to a number of the Green River murders.
On November 5th in 2003, Gary Ridgway pleaded guilty to 48
charges of aggravated first degree murder.
Wow. Aggravated.
Yeah, bad. Why can't it just be first
degree? I feel like that's bad.
Aggravated is worse. Yeah, I know.
Way worse. Yeah.
But that was part of his plea, plea bargain that would spare
him that his execution in exchange for his cooperation and
locating the remains of his victims.
Would I want to spend life in prison though?
Like I'm thinking about it? Would I rather die knowing that
I've murdered a bunch of? He doesn't want the death
penalty. I don't think anyone's like give
it to me. I feel there's got to be people.
But even if you get the death penalty, you're going to sit
there. You do sit there for.
A while and then you sit there and you're waiting to die and
you're in like segregation. You can't.
I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah, because I feel like also if you are have the death
penalty, you have way less to lose.
So you're most likely, you're more likely to be just more
volatile in general. You're not going to cooperate,
no. And you're going to lose your
fucking mind. Yeah, probably.
I'm pretty sure they're locked down for, you know, a long time.
Yeah. With life in prison, at least
you get, you know, good behavior.
Then you get. Fucking more snacks incentive
something. Yeah, I don't know more.
You get visitation. Yeah.
You know, whatever. Well, maybe death row good
anyways, I don't know. That's something we can ask our.
In November. Yep.
So he. Present pal as.
Pen pals, so they wanted him to provide details of the other
where the other victims are in his statement.
Accompany. Accompany.
Yes. In his statement with his guilty
plea, Ridgeway explained that he had killed all of his victims
inside King County, Washington. And where that?
What do you mean? I want to know like where?
Oh, I know. You know, I know, like give me
some specifics like how did you get away with this?
I know he had transported and dumped the remains of the two
women near Portland to confuse police.
So two of the victims that weren't found at the river, he
was trying to confuse them and throw them off, which I mean, he
did probably motherfucking time. Deputy Prosecutor Jeff Baird,
which normal, normal name Jeff. Jeff noted in court that the
deal contained the names of 41 victims who would not be the
subject of state versus Ridgeway if it were not for the plea
agreement. So had he not plead guilty and
avoided the death penalty, they would have no information on the
40. One, because he wouldn't have
said anything, right? The King County.
So I guess justifying, yeah, the plea deal, yes, yeah.
Which I think a lot of people were pissed off about, of
course, but that's why he had to make that statement.
Otherwise, there'd be no justice whatsoever.
Yeah. That sucks.
Though it does suck. You just ZAP them.
You just ZAP them to get the answers.
Who was it, you know? I think that they can't do that.
No. So King County Prosecuting
Attorney Norm Malang. Norm Malang.
Explained his decision to make the deal.
We could not have gone forward with 7 counts, but that is all
we could have ever hoped to solve.
But at the end of that trial, whatever the outcome, there
would have been lingering doubts about the rest of these crimes.
This agreement was the avenue of truth and in the end, the search
for the truth is still why we have criminal justice system.
Gary Ridgway does not deserve our mercy.
He does not deserve to live. The mercy provided by today's
resolution is directed not at Ridgeway, but toward the
families who have suffered so much in On December 18th of
2003, King County Superior Court Judge Richard A Jones sentenced
Gary Ridgway to 48 life sentences.
Nice. Without the possibility of
parole to be served consecutively, he was also
sentenced to an additional 10 years for tampering with
evidence for each of the 48 victims, adding 480 years to his
48 life sentences. How did he tamper with the
evidence? I think we'll get into that OK.
Later, he was given another life sentence after the remains of
his 49th victim were found. Oh, you know what?
I think it's the movement of the bodies maybe?
Oh, maybe. Maybe.
I feel like that could make sense.
Yeah, because I'm not sure if it does say it in here, OK, But I
mean, who cares? I know, I just.
It's just. Interesting.
It is I would like to know what tampering.
I'll figure out how he did that. Ridgeway LED prosecutors to
three bodies in 2003. On August 16th of that year, the
remains of a 16 year old girl found near that that town and
New Claw, Washington, 4040 feet from State Route 410, were
pronounced as belongings to Pam Annette Avent, who had been
believed to be a victim of the Green River Killer.
The remains of Marie Malvar and April Butram were found in
September of 2003. On November 23rd of 2005, The
Associated Press reported that a weekend hiker found the skull of
one of the women Ridgeway admitted murdering in 2003 in
his sorry in his 2003 plea bargain with the King County
prosecutor. So that again is another one.
So they're still uncovering bodies?
Yeah, even that many years later.
Yeah, the skull of another victim, Tracy Winston, who is 19
when she disappeared from Northgate Mall on September
12th, 1983, was found on November 20th, 2005.
Oh wow. By a man hiking in a wooded area
near Hwy. 18 which is southeast of Seattle.
I'm sure it is cardinal directions.
Compass. This was the.
OK.
Oh, this was the find that led Ridgeway's 40.
She's just learning to read. Sounding it out.
So that was the what led to Ridgeway's 49th life sentence.
OK. And in 2023?
That was yesterday. Remains discovered in 1985 and
known as Bone 17 were identified as belonging to a 15 year old
Laurie Ann. Oh my gosh.
Razz Potnik, who was last seen by her family in Lewis County,
Washington in November of 1982. Wow.
That is crazy. That's wild.
I'm glad that she was found. Yeah, the family gets closure
for. Something to be able to bury and
like things like that. They had no idea where she was.
I can't. I can't imagine.
I can't. I never want to think about
that. Gary Ridgway confessed to more
than more, oh, more confirmed murders than any than any other
American serial serial killer. Wow.
Over a period of five months of police and prosecutor
interviews, he confessed to 48 murders. 42 of them were on the
police list of probable Green River Killer victims on February
9th, 2004, which is my dad's birthday.
Oh, shut up, Dad. County prosecutors began to
release the videotaped recordings of Ridgeway's
confessions. In one taped interview, he
initially told investigators that he was responsible for the
deaths of 65 women. Wow.
In another taped interview on December 30th, 2003, Gary
Ridgway claimed to have murdered 71 victims and confessed to
having had sex with them before killing them, a detail which he
did not reveal until after his sentencing.
It was like, yeah, I had sex. With him, I mean, they found
semen samples, yeah, like some of them.
So we knew that. We knew that there was some
sexual assault happening. Happening.
In his confession he acknowledged that he targeted
sex workers because they were in quotes easy to pick up and that
he in quotes hated most of them. He confessed that he had sex
with his victims bodies after he murdered them, but claimed he
began burying the later victim so that he could resist the urge
to commit necrophilia. So that's was his hard.
That was his. Line that was challenging for
him yeah, he's like I got to quit this I'm going to kill him
but I got to quit fucking him. Yeah, after I kill him Jesus
like, oh, he does have a conscience.
It's insane. That is insane.
What the mind tells you is OK and what isn't.
Yeah, you know. In talking sane now, I want to
get into like who Gary was. Who is Gary?
Gary He was born on February 18th, 1949 in Salt Lake City,
UT. That makes.
Sense now? Yeah, I'm just joking.
He was the second of three sons to Thomas and Mary Ridgway.
His childhood was somewhat troubled.
Relatives later described his mother as a domineering woman
who inflicted corporal punishment upon her sons for
minor offenses. She sounds like an officer.
She sounds like I'm going to inflict punishment on you for
minor offenses. She sounds like OK.
Honestly, bad bitch period. Yeah, slay, slay, he alleged
that after wetting the bed. OK.
All right. That's one side angle.
A habit that persisted into his early teens.
She would wash his genitals. Oh, OK, EW.
Into his early teens. Like come here.
It was. It was probably very
embarrassing for him. Which is a punishment, Yeah, in
and of itself. Or she's really weird.
It was to humiliate. Him I would, I would think.
Gary would later tell defense psychologist that as an
adolescent, he had conflicting feelings of anger and sexual
attraction toward his mother and fantasized about killing her.
OK. Creepy.
That makes sense though. Gary's father, who's marriage to
his mom was volatile. He worked as as a bus driver and
often complained about the presence of sex workers on his
route. OK, so this this shit was
getting instilled. Yeah, Ridgeway, who is dyslexic,
was held back a year in high school and exhibited an IQ
recorded as being in the low 80s.
OK. Yeah, that's lower.
It's not, it's not all the way down.
He's. Low.
He's he's medium dumb. He's medium dumb.
Yeah, yeah. When he was 16 years old, Gary
lured A6 year old boy into woodland, woodland, wooded area
and stabbed him through the ribs into his liver.
But the boy the boy managed to survive the attack.
Whoa. So it started that that young.
Whoa, Yeah, he graduated from Thai High School in 69 and he
married his 19 year old high school sweetheart, Claudia
Craig. He just Claudia now.
Where are you, Claudia? Are you OK?
Are you? Are you OK?
Are you willing to do the podcast?
Yeah, I can You write a celebrity?
Are you free? Are you alive?
Do you have Patriot? Yeah.
Do you have $4? He joined the United States Army
and, I'm sorry, the Navy. Very.
Different He was deployed to Vietnam, where he served on
board a supply ship and saw combat.
Oh, he did see combat. He did see because I know some
people. Yeah, some people were like I
was in combat, but he never. Would have never didn't even
leave the base. During his time in the military,
Ridgeway had frequent sexual intercourse with sex workers and
contracted gonorrhea through Craig, who was angered.
Oh, through contracted gonorrhea.
Gonorrhea. Although his wife was angered by
this, he continued the activity without protection.
His marriage to Craig ended within a year.
So he's like fucking people. And she's like, how dare you?
Right. How dare you do that and then
also get STD so now I can't do anything with you as my husband.
Right. And he continued to do it.
Yeah, she's like I'm done. Yeah, game over.
Good for you. Good for you.
Go girl. Yes.
Like you put your foot down, you have boundaries, you have
standards. Yeah.
Where are you? Where are you at?
But it here's what's weird is friends and family of his
described him as friendly but strange I mean.
I know a few people like that I. Mean, I know a few people like
that too, yeah, but I don't, I would never imagine right them
doing that crimes like this. Yes.
His first two marriages resulted in divorce because of
infidelities. His second wife, Marsha Winslow,
claimed that he had placed her in a chokehold.
OK, so now he's becoming violent.
Gary became religious during his second marriage, prophesizing
door to door, reading the Bible aloud at work and at home, and
insisting that his wife follow the strict teachings of their
pastor. Strange.
That is strange, but also it's it's something that they're
trying to put, they put value on themselves that way.
Well, and I think, and I don't want to be attacked by this, but
it sounds like he was an extremist.
Of all. Games to the religious and and
the extreme versions Men are to be worshipped, right Men are to
be. You, yeah.
That you need to obey. And it's not because the
religion says that, but it's because that's how they are
perceiving things. Yes, but the Bible does say
stuff like that. You are to obey your husband,
things like that. But he would also frequently cry
after reading the Bible or hearing sermons.
So he was just like. I'm some of it.
By the Lord and the soul. Yeah.
Despite his beliefs, Gary continued to solicit the service
of sex workers and asked his wife to participate in sex in
public or in inappropriate places, sometimes even in areas
where his victims bodies were later discovered.
Oh. Yeah, fucking freak.
Where's Marsha? Marsha, Marsha Marsha.
According to women in his life, Gary had an insatiable sexual
appetite. No shit.
Yeah, he could barely solve himself from having sex with
dead things. Yeah, so his ex wives and
several ex girlfriends reported that he demanded sex from them
several times a day. That's a lot.
That's too much. Often he would want to have sex
in public areas, like I said, or in the woods.
That's. Dirty bugs and sticks.
Sticks. Hokey.
Ridgeway. And pine cones.
He admitted to having a fixation with sex workers with whom he
had a love hate relationship. Because they'll do whatever he
wants. Yeah, it does.
You know, as long as you're paying, it's a service.
He frequently complained about their presence in his
neighborhood, like his dad, but he also took advantage of their
services regularly. In a statement read at his plea
hearing, Ridgway said he hated prostitutes.
He said it. He said prostitutes and he did
not want to pay them for sex. He just want to take it.
That's for why. Why do you?
Why do you I why do people think they're just entitled to?
Shit, I don't know. Some have speculated that Gary
Ridgway was torn between his lusts and his staunch religious
beliefs. He didn't have any religious
beliefs. He wasn't.
He wasn't following anything, no.
He was following his own beliefs.
Yes. And what I found interesting,
and I couldn't find any more information about it, is that he
does have a son out there. Where are you?
Where? Is it Marsha's son?
It is Marsha's son, Marsha Marsha Marsha.
Marsha. So.
What do you think his son's name is?
His name's Gary. Her name's Marsha Cindy.
Oh, it's a son. I'm sorry.
I mean, it could be Cindy. Probably like.
Let me look. Randolph No.
Gary Ridgway. Craig, Son, are we ready,
Matthew? Oh, that's a classic.
And he? Probably because the Lord he
looks the Bible. Just like his dad.
And it's just openly out there. Yeah, I mean, that's wild.
He's fucking right there. I see him.
No, wait, no, wait, wait, wait. Oh my God.
So, Gary, I just found something about it.
Gary Ridgway's son holds memories of regular soccer dad.
So Matthew, his dad or his son, remembers his father as a
relaxed man who never yelled, who took him camping, taught him
to play baseball and always showed up for school concerts
and soccer practices, he said in quote.
Even when I was in 4th grade, when I was when I played soccer,
you know, he'd always be there for me.
And in let's see, he told investigators in 2001 after his
father's arrest for four murders.
OK, that's what he said after he was arrested is the he was
always around, blah, blah, blah. He also said I don't think I
ever remember him not being there.
Well, there's plenty times he wasn't because he was busy.
He was a busy, busy man. During the years when Gary was
taking was taking his son on bike rides and to eat Donuts, he
was also terrorizing the South. What a double life.
Seattle area by killing women and dumping their bodies in
deserted. Areas.
But he's also doing that in the evening hours.
This is not, you know, a midday activity.
Yes. This is not a soccer, a soccer
game, both. Things are.
True. Yes, right.
Like he is you're. Asleep when he's doing this,
yes. Buddy yes.
So Matthew was born in September of 1975 S.
Virgo. It doesn't say the day.
I don't know, I could ask him and let's see, he was Marsha
Marsha. Gary told investigators that
this summer he sometimes showed his son.
He shows his son's picture or the boys room at his home to put
women at ease. What?
Oh so like when they would get in the car, like oh look at my
son, like all this shit. And that's what he would do to
lure them. Whoa, what a freak.
Matthew told investigators in July that he doesn't remember
any strange woman in the car or being left in the truck.
For a long time. He had no idea.
I mean, why would he see a strange woman in the car?
He's not doing this with his son.
I. Think he's just grasping,
grasping at straw. He's just doesn't want to
believe. He doesn't.
He's in denial. I mean, I get that when you,
yeah, like you don't want to think that your dad is that
person. Yeah, I don't think that, he
said when he was younger, Matthew said he thought his
father was just one of the 500 possible suspects in the
killings. I think that's how I related
that He's just one of the guys that happened to be in one
place. And, you know, he's my dad.
He didn't do it, you know. You know.
You know, that's what he said, you know.
Well, what we know is he did. It's crazy.
That is crazy. I I can't imagine.
Because those killers aren't just killers, they're, you know,
members of families and stuff like that.
And it sucks how much because they're not just impacting the
victims that are murdered or or assaulted or whatever it is, but
they're also impacting the people that care about them,
which is a weird thing, that people care about him, but,
well, yeah. I mean, his, his son was in it
said like 4th or 5th grade at that time.
And so, yeah, what a shock, you know, because as a kid, you're
not. You don't really know.
No, you don't. You.
Look at your parents as. As perfect.
Yeah, in a way, right? Like they know everything.
They help me with everything. I can count on them.
So long as they're present. If they're present.
Yeah, and that's just what Matthew thought.
Yeah, that's all he saw. Yeah.
So I thought this case was a nut.
It is nuts. Green River killer.
So many.
So many, so many murders and just the Ted Bundy of it all.
I thought was so. Cool.
It is pretty cool so. Cool for him to be like, yeah.
Yeah, please some help. Hello, Remember Me from
yesterday? I have so much time to help you.
Yeah, sitting on death row currently.
So yeah, I thought it was really neat.
That is neat. Cool kiss.
That is a really cool case. Cool.
Kiss bro. Feel like I said wow 1800 times
because that's all you can say. It is a wow.
It is. It's a very much a wow case.
It's. A wow case.
Because that's not It's not even that long ago.
No, I mean 2023. They just identified one of the
bodies. Yeah.
Lori, so sad. Not from That was Bundy.
No wait from Oh yeah, because you just said that.
And then also recently, there was another victim that was
identified for Bundy. Oh really?
Yeah, I didn't catch that. I I mentioned I think.
Today. No, just that.
I did mention it right now, but I mentioned it before, I don't.
Remember. We don't remember things.
Yeah, super, super cool. Cool case bro.
Hell yeah dude. Right on sick.
I don't know, I'm so tired. I'm so tired.
I was yawning the whole time. I was like leaning.
I looked over in your mouth was like I couldn't look at you
because I was going to laugh. Because then you're all OK.
I was going to say you're going to yawn.
I've rubbed every mascara that I could have potentially had on
all over my face. So.
Yeah, cool case. I'm excited about next week's,
so stay tuned. What's next week's That's Me?
It's a really good one that you have.
Oh yeah, there's so many. There's so many good ones, so
Please wait for next week and. And.
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So we're going to be posting videos today.
Are we? In Patreon.
Oh yeah, we are, because we're going to think we're going at
the thing. Yeah, it's going to be a.
Great time. All right, guys.
Well, stay safe. And remember, we didn't do it.