1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,320 I'm Aaron and I'm Dana. And this is. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:10,080 Crimes we didn't commit anyway. Weird sounds. 3 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:11,440 Yeah, whatever. Here we go. 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,280 Here we go. We're testing. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,600 Oh, are we back or are we testing? 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,600 We're just back, we're back, We're just back. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,560 We're back, baby. We are back. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,080 We're here again. Our Patreon is out. 9 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:27,280 Oh yeah, it's live. It's live. 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,720 We already have some people. We have three members right now. 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,560 Which is so cool. So so we love you guys. 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,200 Appreciate it so much, I want to give a shout out to. 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,600 Charles. Charles Simca. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Uh huh. And Whitney? 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Love you guys. You guys are ride or die and we 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,680 appreciate you so much. Yeah, you guys subscribe before 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,440 there was stuff to subscribe to? Yeah, and it's so cool. 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,400 And you know, we have a couple things on there. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,280 We listed or posted a mini episode, Yes, talking about like 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,160 a current case that's happening. Yes. 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,239 There's also an update we need to do on that, yeah, which we'll 22 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,000 do. And then there's a few more 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,800 cases that are going to be happening that I'm so excited to 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:11,920 dive into. It's going. 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 To be so cool to. Stay up to date with yeah, 26 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:18,800 because we are going to have a whole new trial which is so 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,640 exciting and it's. You should see the look on her 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,000 face right now I'm. So. 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Excited, eyes wide. I love Cork when I'm not the 30 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,360 plaintiff or defendant. All the other episodes though, 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,760 like all the the podcasts, yeah, episodes, they're there and 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,720 they're public. Yeah, all of those ones are 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,880 public. So if you subscribe, you still 34 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,520 have access to every episode and the bonus episodes. 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Bonus episodes. We're going to be going to the 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,880 serial. Killer forum thing. 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,440 Yeah, we're going to be going that tonight. 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,200 We're going to be making content for that that is going to be 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,120 exclusively on our Patreon. Yes. 40 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,960 So really, really, really pumped about that. 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,160 So what should we wear? I don't know. 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,480 I was thinking what we should wear to that. 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,160 I don't know. And should we go like sporty? 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Cash or should we be like, should we be professional jeans? 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,640 Oh, OK. I was like, I have a nice satin 46 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,080 skirt. Like AI have a. 47 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,960 Skirt and a blouse. I'm not, no. 48 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,000 You're not a blouse person. No, OK, no, that's fine. 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,720 I'm not. I like tank tops. 50 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Tank tops. No, I might wear jeans. 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,880 OK, I have jeans. I own jeans. 52 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,800 I own a lot of jeans. I washed some of your jeans 53 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,560 once. You did, because we had blood on 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,320 them. We had. 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,840 Well, it wasn't really. It was fake blood. 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Yeah, it was. We haven't even put out all 57 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,840 those photos we're going to. Put those photos on the Patreon, 58 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,720 OK? There's certain things we've 59 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,840 saved to be able to put on. That I feel because I mean, 60 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,960 that's not free stuff. No, that much work we put in. 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,480 That was so much work. It was. 62 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,440 It was we had to make a dead body. 63 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,960 Yeah, which I just threw out. The whole thing, sorry. 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,760 The whole thing. I owe you a tarp. 65 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Oh fuck, I forgot about that. It was. 66 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,440 Covered in corn starch. And corn syrup, whatever. 67 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,040 Yeah, both of them it was. Covered in corn juice. 68 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Yeah, and dye. And it was gross. 69 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,920 OK, So you did not want that back and it was taking up space 70 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:21,640 in the garage? It was. 71 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:25,160 Cutting me off I I believe it. So I mean I threw up throughout 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,440 the down comforter that. Was I know that's what I was 73 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,920 concerned about. I didn't even think about the 74 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,080 jar. I was like, you just threw the 75 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,600 whole thing. Yeah, we have more. 76 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,720 OK, it's fine. What's one more blanket? 77 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,040 It's really not. Everything's fine. 78 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,280 It is. So yeah, really, really, really 79 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,640 excited about the Patreon. And if you're like, why would I 80 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,240 pay for that? Well, first of all, it's $4.00 a 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,720 month. Yeah, it helps us have more 82 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,560 resources to provide more content. 83 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Yes, we had a guest last week and we had to deal with you guys 84 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,200 sharing a mic, which was. Which you could probably hear in 85 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,560 the episode because I did sound distant, because I was trying to 86 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,520 talk into the side of it and it was a whole thing. 87 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Yeah, you sounded a little bit far away, but I mean, it got the 88 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,120 job done. It did. 89 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,200 But it would be nice to have another microphone. 90 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Right. Which means we need another one 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,760 of those things too. We need another stand, We need 92 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,120 another interface because there is XLR cord. 93 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,280 That goes into that. It's a whole thing. 94 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:25,160 It's a whole thing. But we're going to be, we're 95 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,920 going to get there. Yes. 96 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,720 And I have another guest lined up, but he doesn't get out of 97 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,560 prison until. November. 98 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,600 So we're gonna have him via Zoom. 99 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,240 Yeah, we're gonna be actually having a convicted felon who has 100 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,440 served a lot of time in prison. He's gonna be on the podcast. 101 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,000 Give us some insight. Yeah, so questions about that, 102 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,080 put it in the Patreon. I have my own questions. 103 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,360 Yeah. Which I'll put in the Patreon 104 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,800 too. That way you have an idea of 105 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,120 what to look forward. To like what is the meal plan? 106 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,880 What? Well, I want to know, like, 107 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,240 what's your first day in prison like? 108 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,960 Like, what's going through your head knowing that you have to 109 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:10,000 spend years, sometimes life inside of a prison? 110 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,080 Like, what is your mindset? What were you afraid of? 111 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,360 How did you fit in? What was your plan? 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,840 You know I want to know. All of everything, yeah. 113 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,640 And how? How did you decide who you like 114 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,160 your friends, were going to be? Oh, that's one of my biggest 115 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,400 things. Like, how do you decide who 116 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,600 you're going to hang with? Yeah, well, and unfortunately I 117 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,240 think in prison it's a lot of like. 118 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Race by. Color. 119 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,520 Yeah, yeah. Which is disgusting, but it's 120 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,680 how they survive in there. Yeah, you know. 121 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,320 However, that is weird. That is so weird. 122 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,200 But it will be interesting to hear about. 123 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,680 I mean honestly I would probably hang out with like the girls 124 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,960 that could like do my hair. Oh yeah. 125 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,200 And that had a lot of commissary I feel. 126 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:56,600 Yeah, or that was really good at a hobby. 127 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,640 And maybe, like, murdered people so I could ask her questions 128 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,880 and, you know, maybe not get too close. 129 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,920 No, not too, too close because I feel like there was that one, we 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,440 didn't actually post this one, but where she became friends 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,760 with another like serial murderer and that extended her 132 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,280 stay in prison or something because they're just like, oh, 133 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:19,480 you can't trust them. Like they're like. 134 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,680 Yeah, true. They're being besties. 135 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,200 Yeah, I mean, so you're fucking sick, you know? 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Yeah, you are who you hang out with. 137 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,040 That's true. You are who you eat. 138 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,360 You are who you eat. If they kill you, kill. 139 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,360 So anyway. Anyway, I think that's really, 140 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,880 really cool. It is cool and we'll post like a 141 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:50,200 post to request questions and. Still have a list of cases the 142 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,480 best getting to. Yeah, I know. 143 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,280 But the best questions, the next case that I do is going to be a 144 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:58,240 case that was given to me, OK, from someone else. 145 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,720 That's great. I think we owe it to them, 146 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,760 especially now that they're. Paying, I know. 147 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,720 They're just so cool. It is really cool. 148 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,200 So cool, and it's only $4.00 a month. 149 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,360 I don't know if I've said that already. 150 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,800 You have it's so it's fine, but I don't know if you guys know, 151 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 but it's $4.00 a month. Yeah. 152 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,000 I mean, in the $4.00 come up off it, Yeah, it's not a lot to you 153 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,920 guys, but it means a lot. So like, you don't. 154 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,440 When she texted me, she's like, we have two subscribers. 155 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,040 It was like, I don't know, it's like our whole world, Yeah, was 156 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,920 just uplifted. Well, yeah, I mean, we started 157 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,680 this as like, you know, I don't want to say hobby, but just. 158 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,920 I mean kind of like a project we started. 159 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,080 A project and we didn't know where it was going to go. 160 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,080 No. And I mean, we're still so 161 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,240 fucking new. We're still on a six year old 162 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,000 bedroom. We're still in a six year old 163 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,960 bedroom with this stuffed corn on the cob, but. 164 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,600 I when. I texted you and I said our 165 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,760 podcast is now like we have revenue. 166 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,680 Yeah, that's wild. That is a bananas thought. 167 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,240 I know it's so cool and we're not going to stop. 168 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,960 We're going to work harder. We're. 169 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Going to do. Better. 170 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,160 We're going to do more. Yep. 171 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,920 And it's just but don't expect us to get more professional. 172 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,520 Oh, absolutely not. We're still. 173 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,520 Going to be us. We're going to. 174 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,520 We're going to. This is. 175 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 We're still going to be dumb. Oh yeah, medium smart. 176 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,880 Medium smart is what you get. And triangles shapes. 177 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,400 Are 17 to 18 sides, college is Notre Dame. 178 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,840 East Coast. Touchdown. 179 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,760 We spend way too much. Time, but yeah. 180 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,480 Yeah, super pumped, Super pumped. 181 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,800 But you're reading a book right now. 182 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,080 I'm reading a book right now and it's so so good. 183 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,840 It's like sitting on the dress. She just told me all about it. 184 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,560 I did. We went to a yard sale. 185 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:00,720 We went sailing. We went sailing and I, I saw 186 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,920 this book and I was like, I like the name of it. 187 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,520 It's called Anatomy of an Alibi by Ashley Elson. 188 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,200 And yeah, it's just, it's so good. 189 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,400 I mean, once I started, I couldn't stop, but I had to stop 190 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,160 because we are at the pool where I was. 191 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,960 Hot. Yeah, it was super hot. 192 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,120 Books don't do well in water. But this one's like a quick read 193 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,240 I feel, and I got it for $2.00. I know, that's so cool. 194 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,280 That's the great thing about Yard. 195 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,960 Sales, you can't beat it. No, you can't. 196 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,360 It's hard cover. It still has the the paper 197 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,760 cover. Around it, nothing is like 198 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,600 fucked up about it. Nothing's fucked up, it's on 199 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,000 perfect condition. It sounds like someone purchased 200 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,400 it because they thought it sounded cool and never got to. 201 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,240 It yeah, I don't think it was ever read because the pages are 202 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,400 pristine. Yeah, there's no bendy. 203 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,400 No Bendy's and I'm a corner flipper. 204 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:49,680 Oh, you are. I can. 205 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,480 See, I'm a corner flipper. I have a bookmark. 206 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,800 I'm a bookmark girl. I also have a Kindle though. 207 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,440 Yeah, I can't do Kindle. I need the physical. 208 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Book, that's what I thought too until I switched to the Kindle. 209 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,680 Really. Yeah. 210 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:04,800 Because it also I have it like on the night time reading, so 211 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,160 it's like dark in the background and whatever it is. 212 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,640 Yeah. And reading in bed is my 213 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,760 favorite and it just helps put me to sleep too. 214 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Yeah. So I can read for like 1/2 hour 215 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,080 or so and then I'm like, I'm very sleepy now. 216 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,080 Yeah, I like to watch TV when I go to bed, but. 217 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,240 I don't think that's good for you. 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,400 Always serial killer or killer or murder. 219 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Or Adrian's mom sent me this thing. 220 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,680 He's like, oh, I needed to. It was something on Instagram. 221 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,800 It's like, I need to fuck. I don't know. 222 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,720 I love. That she said that, that's so 223 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,840 helpful. It was something about I need to 224 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,200 like be able to relax because the state of the world or 225 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,880 something. So let me just turn on this 226 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,240 fucking murder documentary. I need to relax, so let me watch 227 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,080 the serial killer. Yes, yes. 228 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,520 Yep, and that's me. Yeah, agreed. 229 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,160 It is me 100%. Yeah. 230 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,200 Oh, I was trying to mention to you when we were downstairs 231 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,160 about we're talking about how that Lady who poisoned her, 232 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,400 whatever, wrote a book, but then made me think of how there are 233 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,240 audiobooks that were out. I don't know if they still are, 234 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,680 but prison, like murderers, like Ed Kemper, I believe he has. 235 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,560 He's read an audiobook and you can hear him read a book. 236 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,640 Like they would do that in prison at that time. 237 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,840 At least. I don't know if they're still 238 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,520 doing that, but yeah. So I don't know if his voice is 239 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,200 still out there or. I would love to hear that. 240 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,200 So I don't know what book it was. 241 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,400 I didn't really look into it, but I know that that was a thing 242 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,760 like prisoners were reading. They were the. 243 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,520 The audio, The voice. Of the. 244 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Wow, the voice of the audio. Of the book audio leak. 245 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,360 Of the reading of the. Voice. 246 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:49,680 Oh wow. Yeah, because when you watch the 247 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,320 documentary or not the documentary, the Netflix show, 248 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,480 did you watch that? Which one? 249 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Ed Kemper. No, I didn't, Was it? 250 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,600 I've seen the. Edwin. 251 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Edwin freaking Only a mother could love you. 252 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Yeah, I want to hear his voice because they made it sound 253 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,040 really weird. They did. 254 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,120 In that show, I think the actor that played him did great. 255 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,120 He did great but also I think he ruined. 256 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,200 His career. Oh yeah, that's all. 257 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,960 I don't think he can ever do. Anything. 258 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,280 I feel like he's been in other things. 259 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,640 That guy seems very familiar. He's in something else with 260 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Charlie's Charlie, Charlize Theron or whatever her name is. 261 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Sure you don't know how to talk? About I don't know any 262 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,040 celebrity. Oh yeah, you're like my sister. 263 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,120 I'm. Just like the oh, we were 264 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,360 watching the Kevin Hart. Oh my God thing specials. 265 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,200 Yes. And Tom Brady came out. 266 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Yes. I don't, I didn't know what he 267 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,000 looked like. Yeah. 268 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,800 And Adrian's next to me and I said, who's that? 269 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:51,200 And he said because he was just like, I wasn't expecting that or 270 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,640 whatever. And I was like, who is that man? 271 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,640 I have no idea what's going on. He's like the greatest 272 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,520 quarterback of our. Generation like 8 Super Bowl 273 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,720 things. Yes. 274 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,560 That's that's it. Yeah, he played for the 275 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,800 Patriots, and then he retired and then he came back and played 276 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,840 for the Tampa Bay. Yeah, Steelers. 277 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Buccaneers. I don't know. 278 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,320 Steelers, Pittsburgh. But yeah, no, he's that his 279 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,920 roast was better than Kevin Hart's. 280 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,760 I think I. Don't think so, I haven't 281 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,120 finished it yet it. Was not good. 282 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,880 But I'm not enjoying it all that much. 283 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,520 It was not good. You need to watch the. 284 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Tom Brady one. Yeah. 285 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,160 That one is so much. Better, yeah. 286 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,640 I also don't know a lot of the people that are roasting him. 287 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,800 Yeah, I I just didn't think they, any of them were funny. 288 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,960 OK. That I. 289 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,680 When they made fun of like the other people who were there, not 290 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,920 Kevin. Those are pretty funny, like of 291 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,640 Cheryl. Cheryl. 292 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,880 Whatever her name is. Yes, they a lot of people made 293 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,320 fun of her a lot. She's great. 294 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,680 Her husband that committed suicide and they dogged her 295 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:57,480 about. Did they? 296 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,240 Did he actually commit suicide or did he just fall off a 297 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,280 bridge? I don't actually know. 298 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,200 I never. I didn't look into it, but it 299 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,600 seemed like he did. Yeah, which was hilarious. 300 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,440 Not that he did that suicide. It's not funny, but they were 301 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,680 really making it yes I mean, they're. 302 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,640 Playing off of that and then also Pete Davidson's dad. 303 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,160 I love Pete Davidson, I really love him. 304 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Did he get all of his tattoos removed? 305 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,520 Yes, he did I. Had no idea he did until I 306 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,200 watched that. I like him a lot. 307 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,320 I liked Shane Gillis, yeah. The host? 308 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Yeah, he was just in Charlotte. I yeah, I liked him at first. 309 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,120 It was like, oh God, this is not going to go well. 310 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Yeah. But then it it got better. 311 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,560 And people are very sensitive to things. 312 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,280 So it was very surprising in like, the comedy community. 313 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,200 Yeah, I was surprised. Did you see the woman sitting 314 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,240 next to Chelsea Handler, who was just, like, sitting there like? 315 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Grumpy. Yeah, and just like, offended. 316 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,360 There are several women that look very offended. 317 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Well, and no one made a joke about her. 318 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,080 You. No, there was a a couple of 319 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,920 people that no one made jokes, right, which is very 320 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,200 interesting. So weird. 321 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Yeah. And I'm just like, if you're in 322 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,080 the comedy community, you're bound to, there's going to be a 323 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,080 lot of, yes, things that are not politically correct. 324 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,280 And that's just something that's accepted in that. 325 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,080 It was just really bizarre. Yeah, really bizarre. 326 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,080 OK. Shout out, Tom Brady, Shout out, 327 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,280 you look like now. OK. 328 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:25,000 But anyway, what are we doing? OK, so this is a case that I'm 329 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,160 going to do backwards. So it's my first time, our first 330 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,520 time trying it this way, yeah. So and it's only taken 3 1/2 331 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,120 years. It's taken a long time. 332 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 It's the Green River Killer. Perfect. 333 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,960 So this took place in Washington state and it was in in the 80s, 334 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,280 So in 19, yes. Nope. 335 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Carry on. OK, in 1982, a series of 336 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,920 mysterious murders began plaguing Washington State's King 337 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,000 County. Plaguing. 338 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,200 Yeah, like plaguing. Plaguing. 339 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Plaguing. Looks like a plague. 340 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Plague. Plague. 341 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Plague. OK. 342 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:15,280 As more. Now you need a question every 343 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,080 word you read. Did I say plaguing? 344 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,760 Yes, it's plaguing. Plaguing. 345 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,760 I think it's the same thing. Plague. 346 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Began plaguing Washington state's I think it's the same 347 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 thing. I don't think that you're wrong 348 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,920 or anything. May probably do. 349 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:38,760 Do you want to go there? OK, OK, all right. 350 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 It's Jesus. Christ, as more young women 351 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,840 disappeared only for their remains to turn up along the 352 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Green River, investigators race to catch the cold blooded menace 353 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,720 responsible. So these bodies are just piling 354 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,360 up on this river and they're all like, what the fuck is going on 355 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,560 that? 'D be wild to see. 356 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,720 It'd be crazy. And then another. 357 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,800 Body. Not just one body and I'm 358 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,599 talking one time. Going to this river and seeing 359 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:07,880 multiple bodies, that's wild. Not like 1 body that's. 360 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,319 Like a war zone A. Week later, another body. 361 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,680 No, it's like 4 bodies were found at one. 362 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,319 That's crazy. One time, so the state just got 363 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:21,359 done catching Ted Bundy. So this was the same area that 364 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,880 Ted Bundy was murdering? They're probably like, can I 365 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,880 catch a? Brady they're like Jesus Christ. 366 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Like I haven't gotten to sleep in four months. 367 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,880 The. Investigator and we'll get into 368 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,480 a little later, but the investigator that finished and 369 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,160 wrapped up TomTom. Tom Brady. 370 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:50,040 Thomas Jefferson. Ted Bundy, he just got done with 371 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:58,760 the Ted Bundy cases, then turns around and as this guy, it's 372 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,600 just like, you got to be fucking kidding me. 373 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,720 I'd be pissed like someone else. Yeah, I'd be. 374 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,480 Like I'm retiring, I'm done. Get past. 375 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,600 I'm over. Yeah. 376 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,120 Hard pass. Not me, Jinx. 377 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,360 Over touch their houses, whatever it is, nose goes, nose 378 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:16,920 goes. That's it. 379 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,240 All right, so they're now realizing that they have another 380 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,080 serial killer among them. In the 80s and 90s, there were 381 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,800 between 48 to 71 women who went missing and found murdered in 382 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:36,040 Seattle, WA. 48 to 71, yeah. That's, I don't know why it was 383 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:41,320 such a wide range, but I think that some murders or bodies that 384 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,840 maybe were overdoses or. Or something. 385 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,520 That they couldn't. They couldn't pin to that 386 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,120 person, they couldn't necessarily. 387 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:49,760 No, they couldn't pin to that person. 388 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,320 OK. That's what it sounded like. 389 00:18:53,320 --> 00:19:00,600 You said OK. In July of 1982, children found 390 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,720 the strangled body of Wendy Caulfield, 16 years old, 391 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,360 floating in Seattle's Green River naked with jeans tied 392 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:13,600 around her neck. Over the following weeks, four 393 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,120 more bodies were discovered in or along its banks. 394 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,320 All women were strangled, so it seems pretty personal. 395 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,640 It seems like he has a problem with women. 396 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,440 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'd say so. 397 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,960 Yeah, he don't like him. Yeah. 398 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,520 On August 15th, so the dates of the other ones, I'm not exactly 399 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,480 sure, but it's very recently. It was like boom, boom, boom. 400 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,120 Three more bodies were found and Detective David. 401 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,800 On August 15th alone, three more bodies were found. 402 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:52,040 Yes, wow. Yes, Detective David, right 403 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,680 shirt. I'm going to say right shirt. 404 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,280 OK was one of the first authorities to arrive at the 405 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,880 scene. Marcy Chapman, 31, was found in 406 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,640 the shallow water alongside the naked body of 17 year old 407 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,720 Cynthia Hynes. OK, so there's a a so we have 408 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,320 gap in age. Yeah, we have a 30. 409 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,760 One year old, a 17 year old and a 16 year old and we'll get into 410 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,320 more of the ages, OK? Nearby in the undergrowth lay 411 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:26,000 the body of Opal Mills, 16 blue trousers nodded around her neck, 412 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,880 breasts exposed, bruises apparent on her arms and legs. 413 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,040 Wow, now that saying to. Me. 414 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,240 Is that like fighting or to me? That she was alive during those. 415 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,560 Yeah. You know. 416 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,800 During the abuse, yeah, Whatever it was, yeah. 417 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,280 Dead bodies don't get bruised. No, I like the name Opal. 418 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,440 I know Opal's sweet. I know the sweet name. 419 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,040 She's probably a sweet girl. By this time, there had been a 420 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,400 dozen young woman bodies young. Young women, Young women's 421 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,960 bodies, women. Young women's bodies, anyways, 422 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,720 have been discovered in the river. 423 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,160 Investigators are starting to admit to themselves they have a 424 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,080 serial killer on their hands. It took them that long. 425 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,680 It took them to have. Let's see. 426 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,640 It does. It's not one, it's not 2, it's 427 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,960 not 3, it's not 4, but 12. Right. 428 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,640 At least. Insane. 429 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:23,280 OK, so. I feel like at 3, at three, if 430 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,760 they're all in the same vicinity, I'd say serial. 431 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,640 Killing the same way. Yes, honestly, two. 432 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,400 Yeah, 2 would be enough. Like 2. 433 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,880 There's a pattern already starting. 434 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,120 Yep. So the very next day, so they 435 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,720 found those bodies on August 15th. 436 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:46,880 So August 16th, a police task force is set up after set up 437 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,040 after the King County Sheriff Office set up. 438 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:54,840 Whoa, we'll get there. They set up a fucking task. 439 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Force. OK, things were set up A. 440 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,680 Green River Task force to investigate the killings. 441 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,120 The body count rose as more victims were discovered along 442 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:07,080 the river and in the area around the Seattle Tacoma International 443 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,480 Airport. Wow, this river's close to the 444 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,840 airport. Yeah, in. 445 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,000 Tacoma, welcome to here. Welcome to geography class. 446 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,720 The killer had simple methods and how they picked their 447 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,040 victims because mainly the women were sex workers or runaways. 448 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,880 OK. Bodies just kept piling up week 449 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,640 after week, and they're just like, what? 450 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880 The fuck Yeah. What the They don't know what to 451 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,840 do. They can't catch them quick 452 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,280 enough. You. 453 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,120 Know what I mean? But I thought like if it were 454 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,600 me, if I were an investigator first. 455 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,400 It's come the stream, the river is is flowing in a direction. 456 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,360 You would think they would stake out the river. 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,880 Yes. To see OK. 458 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,920 Up the river, who's? Coming to the river. 459 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Who's hanging around here? Who's dropping off in the middle 460 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,200 of the night? Who has something? 461 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,640 Shaped like a body. Right. 462 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Some sort of patrol of that. Well, it. 463 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,600 Must be a long river. Maybe you just put them in the 464 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,320 river and they floated. Down but I feel like you would 465 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,040 also know like how long they've been in the river, you know I 466 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 don't actually know I. Don't know either, I feel like 467 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,920 back in those days. The 80s. 80s which were not that 468 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,840 long ago the serial killer. This was the time, do you know? 469 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Also, Ted Bundy just did a shit. So I'm just, they're just kind 470 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,720 of like local. Let's give in a minute, let's 471 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,000 hit 35 bodies and then we'll do something. 472 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,280 And, you know, I don't even know if these women were reported 473 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,480 missing. That's also they were, yeah, a 474 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,200 lot of them. A lot. 475 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,440 Of them were sex workers, yes, or runaways. 476 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,920 So the head investigator on the task force, Bob. 477 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,440 Bob, Bobby. Received a letter addressed to 478 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,840 the task force. The letter came from a cell in 479 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,040 death row in Florida. The sender? 480 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Ted motherfucking Bundy. He can't just shut up. 481 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,840 He. Is like. 482 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,880 He's like, hey, I know what's happening over there. 483 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,680 I. Know something about serial 484 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,080 colors? I might be able to help you. 485 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,360 Which cool. And Bob Bobby was the head 486 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:14,760 investigator for the Bundy case and he's like, fuck Teddy, I'm 487 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,840 done with you. We went over this. 488 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,080 Bundy mentioned that he had some information that could be useful 489 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,040 in helping them find the person responsible for the murders. 490 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Not only did he want insight into what Bundy was referring 491 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:35,120 to, so Bobby, but also because there are still 8 victims of 492 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:39,880 Bundy's that can't be found and he wanted to get that 493 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,560 information from Bundy. What does Bundy want, though? 494 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,960 Well, Bundy. Notoriety. 495 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,200 Probably. Yeah, just to be included. 496 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,600 Yeah, he just wants to fit in so. 497 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Bob did end up flying to Florida where Bundy was on death row. 498 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,520 OK, they were brought into an interview room. 499 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,040 Bundy was brought in with shackles on Classic. 500 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,880 Yeah. They interviewed him for hours. 501 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,320 Bundy went into detail about what's in the mind of serial 502 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,720 killer. Which cigarettes? 503 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,880 I'm so jealous that. Oh, they were able to do that. 504 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,880 They were able to do that, yeah. I mean, I'm sure they were 505 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,840 fucking over it, but he mentioned his familiar knowledge 506 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,920 of the Seattle area and how that area gives the killer motivation 507 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,600 to commit these crimes. He's like, you live there man, 508 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,640 and you're just, you're just bound to become a. 509 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,000 Killer. It's so gloomy, Yeah. 510 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,440 It's. It's raining all the time. 511 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560 So depressed you hate everyone so and so you start killing 512 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,360 them. Yeah, classic. 513 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:42,080 It's a natural chain of events. It's just what happens there, he 514 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,280 said. His feeling is that the killer 515 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,000 is killing them fast. That's OK. 516 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,360 He sees him Kill what? So fast made you think that is 517 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,000 it cuz there's four bodies at a time. 518 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Because there's so many bodies that he wants to feel the 519 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,040 feeling of killing so. If he kills quick he needs. 520 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Another one quick. He needs another one quick. 521 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,600 Yeah, it's his fix. Yeah, it's not like the raping 522 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,920 or whatever it is, it's. Like the actual killing part 523 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Yeah, Bundy helped them with a profile of the killer, which is 524 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,840 insane but so cool. I don't know how he helped them, 525 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,200 but, well, I'll tell you. Sorry. 526 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,280 It was super interesting because Ted Bundy's ego would show 527 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,960 throughout the interview. Oh, I'm sure. 528 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Because he said this killer is a second grade killer. 529 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,600 Because he's killing sex workers and runaways. 530 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,000 Because they were just easy. Yeah, while he targeted like 531 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,160 students, yes, and higher risk people that would. 532 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,880 Targets, yeah, people that it would throw a full blown 533 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,760 investigation over the one. Person you know. 534 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,880 Many people know that you know they're like fit into a. 535 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,160 Community this guy is doing which unfortunately people 536 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,640 weren't missing them correct as much which is so sad. 537 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Yeah, it is fucked up. So that was August 16th, a 538 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,920 little after August 16th. So the next day from finding all 539 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,040 the bodies. Yeah, yeah. 540 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,760 April 30th of let me see, I mean April. 541 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,840 I was like, we went backwards. August 30th. 542 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:25,040 So we're moving now into no. 15 days later. 543 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:32,200 No, sorry, we're moving. We went from August and then all 544 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,400 the way to April. Of the next year. 545 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,160 Oh, OK. In the spring of 19. 546 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,080 And he still hasn't been caught. No. 547 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:45,280 Oh God, yeah. In 1983, sex worker Marie 548 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,760 Malvar, who's 18, was last seen by her boyfriend getting into a 549 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,800 paint patched pickup with a dark haired man about 30 to 40 years 550 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,200 old. Say that five Times Now. 551 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,440 Paint patch pick up with paint. Patch pick up with a dark haired 552 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:06,200 man about 30 to 40 years old the next two years. 553 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080 So over 2 years. So this shit is just like 554 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,400 stretching. Out, yeah. 555 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,920 Stretching out, the investigators have nothing 556 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,760 nothing to go on. The Green River Killer sexually 557 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,880 assaulted and murdered more than 40 women. 558 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Oh wow, so he's worse than Bundy at. 559 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,520 The There's no DNA evidence to be found after a body has been 560 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,400 in the water. Exactly. 561 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,880 It's like they're so. Fucked. 562 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,600 It makes sense. The Bob the Bob investigator 563 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,440 said every time you found a body, it was like being hit on 564 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:44,040 the head with a baseball bat. As the bodies a number of bodies 565 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,800 grew, so did the number of people assigned to the case. 566 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Well, that's good. This effort morphed into the 567 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Green River Again Task Force, which was massive at this point, 568 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 and it was a coalition made-up of local and state law 569 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,040 enforcement. They received hundreds, if not 570 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,800 thousands, of tips on who the Green River Killer might be. 571 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,200 Police called. It's my neighbor. 572 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,320 My ex did. I swear to God. 573 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,560 I swear to God I don't. The guy at the deli didn't slice 574 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,760 my Turkey thin enough and I think it's because he likes to 575 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,240 kill people. My uncle likes to fish and so I 576 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,120 know he's been down to the river. 577 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 People called in to alert police about their current and former. 578 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,840 Boyfriends. OK. 579 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,880 Brothers, fathers and stepfathers in mid-september 580 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,440 1982. So going back, one of the tips 581 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,520 that they received during that time, it was a man named Melvin 582 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,280 Wayne Foster. I hate that name. 583 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,240 I hate it too. Melvin. 584 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Melvin. What's your name? 585 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,200 Melvin. Melvin. 586 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,960 Wayne. That's lame. 587 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680 He's got to be a killer, right? Melvin. 588 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Melvin. He was a 43 year old taxi 589 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,600 driver. He'd been married five times and 590 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,080 had done a stretch in prison for auto theft and had He had grown 591 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,440 up in South King County, so he's from the area. 592 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,200 I'm thinking that maybe. Doesn't have the best track 593 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 record. Of the profile is like, he knows 594 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,680 the area, things like that, Foster called himself. 595 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,920 So he wanted to give cops information about the Green 596 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,320 River murders. OK. 597 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,360 Foster because he was the cab. That's Melvin Foster. 598 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080 His last name is Foster, so I can say Melvin. 599 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,640 Melvin frequently came into contact with sex workers both in 600 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,760 downtown Seattle and on the Seattle Tacoma. 601 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Airport. He just implicated himself. 602 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Yeah, pretty bad. Really bad. 603 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,680 Yeah. After the first bodies were 604 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,040 found, Melvin began thinking about some of his fellow 605 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,520 drivers. He decided to tell the police 606 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,560 his suspicions. OK. 607 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,600 So he's like, I know I've seen these, you know, other people. 608 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,280 I'm in the area the women are missing and I want to be able to 609 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800 help. But also at the same time, 610 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,200 you're calling in, you know, clearly, you know the area, 611 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,360 you've been there a long time. You're hanging with the sex 612 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,680 workers you know, and you think that you know who the person who 613 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,760 the killer is. All all roads lead to you friend 614 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,440 in that way. Which is weird because which? 615 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,280 Sucks because he is trying to help. 616 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,440 He's trying to help I think. He was like, some of my fellow 617 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,320 drivers are super sketchy. I'm thinking you guys need to 618 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,520 look into them. Whatever. 619 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,720 Yeah, I mean, I feel like if I was law enforcement, I would go, 620 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,280 I would look into everybody, you know. 621 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,640 Yeah. I mean, you can't, you can't 622 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920 eliminate anybody. No, you can't until you can 623 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,800 actually eliminate them, right so. 624 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,600 So after Melvin called, the police promptly made Foster 625 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,440 their prime size. OK. 626 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,880 Yeah, that makes sense. Homicide investigators focus 627 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,880 their attention almost solely on Melvin, overlooking information 628 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,920 that could have helped them understand that the real killer 629 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,480 was still at work. OK. 630 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,960 So surprise, surprise, he is not. 631 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,760 He is not the Green River Killer, but this is just how 632 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800 desperate the investigators. Were they were like this seems 633 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,360 like it could be promising, so we're just going to lock in on 634 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,960 that and disregard everything else. 635 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,400 And part of the profile that Bundy gave them is be careful. 636 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,880 These murders, just like me, wanna be involved in the 637 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720 investigation. Wanna you know what I mean? 638 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,360 He fit right. He fit that profile. 639 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,320 Very well. And if if the 2nd grade killer 640 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:53,360 is killing people that are in a risky business and you know, 641 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,200 runaways, then yeah, he has zero. 642 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,520 He doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, right. 643 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,200 So let's see, oh Sheriff Verne Thomas. 644 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,560 Verne, yes, we have some great names here, the name Melvin, Bob 645 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,920 and Verne. Yeah, and Opal. 646 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,600 Opal, that was a good one. Yeah, he recalls. 647 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,720 Foster looked great as far As for a suspect. 648 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,040 Or he's talking about that he is attracted to him. 649 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,680 I don't. Really, really likes the way his 650 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,320 butt looks. Then King County Executive Randy 651 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,240 Revell. Randy. 652 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,280 Another one, yeah, says police told him in July of 1983 that 653 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,480 they had made a major blunder in focusing too soon on a single 654 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,280 suspect. That's a good word for it, 655 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,600 right? Blunder. 656 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,720 I mean, they, they spent so much time on Melvin, they, they even 657 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,720 staked him out. Yeah, followed him. 658 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,200 They lost a lot of time and resources. 659 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240 They tapped his phone. They searched his house. 660 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:04,880 I mean, they, they harassed him to to an extent that that was 661 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,480 unnecessary. There was nothing to prove that 662 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,199 he was the killer and I feel like they definitely 663 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,920 overstepped. Yes, I completely agree. 664 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,960 I too. So what then happened was Melvin 665 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,239 told the press he's like investigators, they are 666 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,320 harassing me, they are not stopping, blah, blah, blah, 667 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,719 blah. So then the cops were like, all 668 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,000 right. We'll back off all. 669 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,679 Right, we'll back off. But they did, you know, get his 670 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,239 DNA. So they just kind of put that on 671 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,800 the back burner. They didn't have anything else. 672 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,920 So, so they did have to move on. At this point, public awareness 673 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,480 that the pattern of disappearances was continuing 674 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,560 throughout the fall might have persuaded some sex workers to 675 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,159 stay away from the airport strip or even the Seattle area all 676 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:52,199 together. OK. 677 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,280 According to a number of reports on arrests for loitering, 678 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,920 officers made no sustained efforts to record the license 679 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,560 plates of John's. So the John's, that's dumb. 680 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,960 I need to say what John's are, but they hire the sex workers. 681 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,920 Yeah. In fact, the reports indicated 682 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200 often nobody even tried to get a description of the cars they 683 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,880 drove. Why? 684 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Why? If you're trying to investigate, 685 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,080 you should probably investigate. The killer was still at work 686 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,480 from March of 1983 until late June. 687 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,320 He murdered at least 10 new victims. 688 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,960 Wow. Strewing. 689 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,760 Love that word. Strewing the remains from South 690 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,680 of the airport to east of Enumclaw. 691 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,400 Sounds right. It's a lovely place, so it it's 692 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,760 just, it doesn't stop. No, it's not stopping. 693 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,640 It doesn't. And it doesn't seem like they're 694 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,760 making any legitimate efforts. They're not. 695 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,640 Like they focus on one guy that had nothing they. 696 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,320 Yes, they focused on one guy. Oh, and I forgot to mention, 697 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,120 while they were surveilling him, Yeah, bodies were just. 698 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,280 Still popping up. They're literally watching him 699 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,880 and he's clearly not killing anyone. 700 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,800 So for the first time in over a year, police acknowledged there 701 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,880 were other missing women and that the killer was still likely 702 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,800 prowling the airport strip and still picking up victims like. 703 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,880 Yeah, I think everyone knows that. 704 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,280 They're saying, the investigators say to the public, 705 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,520 do not get into cars with anyone you don't know. 706 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,520 Stranger danger. OK. 707 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,920 What? Great. 708 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,640 Thanks. Thank you so much. 709 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,600 Thank you. Fucking idiots. 710 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,880 I'm so glad I'm in second grade. Police did believe that 2nd 711 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,440 grade killer. Police did believe that the 712 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,960 killer had left because now we're at a break. 713 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,040 There hasn't been any bodies in a certain amount of time, I 714 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,560 don't know how long. I think that says it in a 715 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,840 second, OK. They think that the killers left 716 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,200 or had been frightened by their investigation. 717 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,440 Or died or got incarcerated or something. 718 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,840 Something happened. Moved on to somewhere else. 719 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,880 News coverage of the killings had nearly faded away. 720 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,440 It was just, it was this big thing, no information. 721 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,240 And then it was. Bodies and then OK, we have 722 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,360 nothing to go on. OK. 723 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,720 Yeah. Not that they had much to begin 724 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:23,320 with. Yeah. 725 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,520 That made it easier for the killer to murder his victims 726 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,000 virtually unnoticed as the brisk sex trafficking resumed. 727 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,240 So huge break and then. And then everyone's like, hey, 728 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,680 shit's back to normal. I might as well go keep killing. 729 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,720 In July, shortly after the announcement that the killer was 730 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:48,160 apparently still active, county police began a campaign to drive 731 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,520 the women and their pimps from the airport strip. 732 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,520 So they're now saying, we are going to help you guys and drive 733 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,640 you around. We will not arrest you for 734 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,120 loitering. We will not. 735 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,640 We just want to keep you safe. Most of the women went to 736 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,000 downtown Seattle. So did their customers. 737 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,960 But the killer followed them. Of course. 738 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:18,680 In 1984, detectives were made aware of another person, Gary 739 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,400 Ridgway. He was seen with one of the 740 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,160 victims, Marie Malvar. Now, remember when the boyfriend 741 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,880 of Marie mentioned that he saw Marie getting into the patch 742 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:37,040 paint patch pickup truck with a dark haired man to his from 30 743 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,200 to 40 years old? Yeah. 744 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:48,520 Ridgeway was then interviewed in conjunction with that event and 745 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,160 police received several other tips that had mentioned him. 746 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,920 So he was somewhat on the radar, but like I said, everyone was on 747 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,080 their radar. Four days later, police 748 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,840 questioned Ridgeway at his home about his knowledge of Marie 749 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,200 Malvar, whom he denied knowing. OK, I don't know her. 750 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,000 Even though they were seen together. 751 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,600 She didn't get my truck. It was a different guy, is what 752 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,960 he's. OK, saying yes. 753 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,800 In November. I'm picking up what you're 754 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,480 putting. I'm just, I'm just barely. 755 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640 I'm so tired. Are you putting ointment on that 756 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,680 bar? So in November, police again 757 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,960 spoke with Ridgeway about the murders, but he he denied any 758 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,840 knowledge of the victims. Authorities lacked evidence to 759 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,440 connect him to any of the crimes. 760 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,480 But what police did know of him is that he was known for 761 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,240 soliciting sex workers and was even arrested a few times. 762 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,240 OK. So what they did was when they 763 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,920 brought him in, they had him take a polygraph test, which he 764 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,120 passed. Police did get his DNA. 765 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,520 They were like, he was like. OK, that's. 766 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,880 Good. Take my DNA that's fine. 767 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:06,720 And it it didn't tie to the the crimes at that time. 768 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,480 Well, they didn't have any evidence. 769 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,800 DNA was not it didn't, it didn't go that far, right. 770 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,000 This was the mid 80s where DNA didn't go. 771 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,760 Yeah, said that. OK, moving forward. 772 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,760 OK, so Fast forward to 2001. That's many years. 773 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,160 Later, that is. So we're talking plus 15. 774 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,960 Years. A long, long time, Yeah. 775 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,800 When DNA. Did go that far? 776 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,960 Yeah, yeah. Advancements in forensic science 777 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,920 allowed authorities to retest stored samples. 778 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,360 OK. So that, like I said, they had. 779 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,800 I like when they do that, they go back and they're just like, 780 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,240 let's, let's check on this now. Let's give these victims another 781 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:54,040 opportunity for justice. Yeah, I like when there's 782 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,400 justice in the justice system. It's really nice. 783 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,320 I love when people are justified. 784 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,200 In their. Justice in their justifications. 785 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,640 DNA from his saliva taken back in 1984, was matched to the 786 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,280 sperm found on three of the earliest victims. 787 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,160 Oh wow, so Opal, Marcy and Cynthia. 788 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,640 Wow, OK, those are like the beginning ones. 789 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,920 Those are the early. Ones. 790 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,320 So he eventually, I mean, that same month, November, he was 791 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:36,560 arrested, OK. He was working at the Kenneth 792 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,800 truck factory. He was a spray painter. 793 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,360 I don't know what the fuck that. I think he's just painting the 794 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,160 cars trucks. Or I probably. 795 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,440 I think it's funny that he had a paint patched truck. 796 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,280 For a painter. And then now he paint sprays. 797 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,320 For a living. For a living at a truck factory. 798 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,520 But that's when police arrived to arrest him while he was at 799 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,080 work paint spraying. Yeah, he's not going to keep 800 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,160 that job, right? The four victims named in the 801 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,520 original indictment were Marcy Chapman, Opal Mills, Cynthia 802 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,200 Hines and then a woman named Carol Ann Christensen. 803 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,080 OK. Three more bodies, Wendy 804 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:26,080 Caulfield, Deborah Bonner and Deborah Estes, were added to the 805 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,320 indictment after a forensic scientist identified microscopic 806 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,080 spray paint spheres as a specific brand and composition 807 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,120 of paint used at the Kenneth factory during the time when 808 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,240 these victims were. Killed. 809 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,520 So they found microscopic spray paint molecules. 810 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,000 Yes, but they had no idea where the fuck they came from. 811 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,200 Which is crazy because nowadays they could narrow that down. 812 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,160 To like a brand, what store you got it at, whatever the fuck. 813 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680 Yeah, you know what the temperature was that day? 814 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,000 Yeah. So he had worked at this factory 815 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520 the entire time. Interesting. 816 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,440 Insane. In early of 2003, Seattle 817 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,080 television news reported that Gary Ridgway had been Why is 818 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,240 that funny? I just, I don't know why Seattle 819 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,640 television news. I don't know why that was so 820 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,480 funny. I don't know why I wrote it like 821 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120 that, but it's the television news. 822 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,000 Not to be confused with. Not to be confused with the 823 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,680 news. The radio news. 824 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,120 Seattle News paper news that he was moved from a maximum 825 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,320 security cell at King County Jail to an Airway Heights 826 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,640 minimum medium security level tank, which sounds so cool. 827 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,360 I don't know what that means, but he was moved to a tank. 828 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,000 But we'll find out in November. Other news reports stated that 829 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,840 his lawyers, led by Anthony Savage, were closing a plea 830 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,160 bargain that would spare him the death penalty in return for his 831 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,880 confessions to a number of the Green River murders. 832 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:13,880 On November 5th in 2003, Gary Ridgway pleaded guilty to 48 833 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,600 charges of aggravated first degree murder. 834 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,960 Wow. Aggravated. 835 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,240 Yeah, bad. Why can't it just be first 836 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:24,720 degree? I feel like that's bad. 837 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,280 Aggravated is worse. Yeah, I know. 838 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,600 Way worse. Yeah. 839 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,520 But that was part of his plea, plea bargain that would spare 840 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,120 him that his execution in exchange for his cooperation and 841 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,560 locating the remains of his victims. 842 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,280 Would I want to spend life in prison though? 843 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,840 Like I'm thinking about it? Would I rather die knowing that 844 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,840 I've murdered a bunch of? He doesn't want the death 845 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,280 penalty. I don't think anyone's like give 846 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,840 it to me. I feel there's got to be people. 847 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,680 But even if you get the death penalty, you're going to sit 848 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,080 there. You do sit there for. 849 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,480 A while and then you sit there and you're waiting to die and 850 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680 you're in like segregation. You can't. 851 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,800 I don't know. I don't know. 852 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440 Yeah, because I feel like also if you are have the death 853 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,880 penalty, you have way less to lose. 854 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,640 So you're most likely, you're more likely to be just more 855 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640 volatile in general. You're not going to cooperate, 856 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,880 no. And you're going to lose your 857 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,480 fucking mind. Yeah, probably. 858 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,000 I'm pretty sure they're locked down for, you know, a long time. 859 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,320 Yeah. With life in prison, at least 860 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,360 you get, you know, good behavior. 861 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,920 Then you get. Fucking more snacks incentive 862 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,840 something. Yeah, I don't know more. 863 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,360 You get visitation. Yeah. 864 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,360 You know, whatever. Well, maybe death row good 865 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,680 anyways, I don't know. That's something we can ask our. 866 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:45,560 In November. Yep. 867 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,280 So he. Present pal as. 868 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,840 Pen pals, so they wanted him to provide details of the other 869 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,160 where the other victims are in his statement. 870 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,480 Accompany. Accompany. 871 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:05,360 Yes. In his statement with his guilty 872 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,440 plea, Ridgeway explained that he had killed all of his victims 873 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,960 inside King County, Washington. And where that? 874 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,240 What do you mean? I want to know like where? 875 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,480 Oh, I know. You know, I know, like give me 876 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,800 some specifics like how did you get away with this? 877 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,960 I know he had transported and dumped the remains of the two 878 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,840 women near Portland to confuse police. 879 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,840 So two of the victims that weren't found at the river, he 880 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,480 was trying to confuse them and throw them off, which I mean, he 881 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,560 did probably motherfucking time. Deputy Prosecutor Jeff Baird, 882 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,760 which normal, normal name Jeff. Jeff noted in court that the 883 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,240 deal contained the names of 41 victims who would not be the 884 00:46:55,240 --> 00:47:00,120 subject of state versus Ridgeway if it were not for the plea 885 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480 agreement. So had he not plead guilty and 886 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,120 avoided the death penalty, they would have no information on the 887 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,160 40. One, because he wouldn't have 888 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,160 said anything, right? The King County. 889 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,640 So I guess justifying, yeah, the plea deal, yes, yeah. 890 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,040 Which I think a lot of people were pissed off about, of 891 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,640 course, but that's why he had to make that statement. 892 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,080 Otherwise, there'd be no justice whatsoever. 893 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,520 Yeah. That sucks. 894 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,120 Though it does suck. You just ZAP them. 895 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,800 You just ZAP them to get the answers. 896 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,840 Who was it, you know? I think that they can't do that. 897 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,760 No. So King County Prosecuting 898 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,200 Attorney Norm Malang. Norm Malang. 899 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,680 Explained his decision to make the deal. 900 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,040 We could not have gone forward with 7 counts, but that is all 901 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080 we could have ever hoped to solve. 902 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,280 But at the end of that trial, whatever the outcome, there 903 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,960 would have been lingering doubts about the rest of these crimes. 904 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,280 This agreement was the avenue of truth and in the end, the search 905 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,480 for the truth is still why we have criminal justice system. 906 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,520 Gary Ridgway does not deserve our mercy. 907 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,440 He does not deserve to live. The mercy provided by today's 908 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,560 resolution is directed not at Ridgeway, but toward the 909 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:23,760 families who have suffered so much in On December 18th of 910 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:30,640 2003, King County Superior Court Judge Richard A Jones sentenced 911 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,840 Gary Ridgway to 48 life sentences. 912 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,000 Nice. Without the possibility of 913 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,240 parole to be served consecutively, he was also 914 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,600 sentenced to an additional 10 years for tampering with 915 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:49,720 evidence for each of the 48 victims, adding 480 years to his 916 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,840 48 life sentences. How did he tamper with the 917 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,080 evidence? I think we'll get into that OK. 918 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,480 Later, he was given another life sentence after the remains of 919 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,320 his 49th victim were found. Oh, you know what? 920 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,760 I think it's the movement of the bodies maybe? 921 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,760 Oh, maybe. Maybe. 922 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,080 I feel like that could make sense. 923 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,680 Yeah, because I'm not sure if it does say it in here, OK, But I 924 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,280 mean, who cares? I know, I just. 925 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,080 It's just. Interesting. 926 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,880 It is I would like to know what tampering. 927 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,520 I'll figure out how he did that. Ridgeway LED prosecutors to 928 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,280 three bodies in 2003. On August 16th of that year, the 929 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,320 remains of a 16 year old girl found near that that town and 930 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,880 New Claw, Washington, 4040 feet from State Route 410, were 931 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,080 pronounced as belongings to Pam Annette Avent, who had been 932 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,880 believed to be a victim of the Green River Killer. 933 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,360 The remains of Marie Malvar and April Butram were found in 934 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,640 September of 2003. On November 23rd of 2005, The 935 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,000 Associated Press reported that a weekend hiker found the skull of 936 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,400 one of the women Ridgeway admitted murdering in 2003 in 937 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,440 his sorry in his 2003 plea bargain with the King County 938 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,600 prosecutor. So that again is another one. 939 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,200 So they're still uncovering bodies? 940 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,680 Yeah, even that many years later. 941 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,920 Yeah, the skull of another victim, Tracy Winston, who is 19 942 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,440 when she disappeared from Northgate Mall on September 943 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,480 12th, 1983, was found on November 20th, 2005. 944 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,240 Oh wow. By a man hiking in a wooded area 945 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:44,200 near Hwy. 18 which is southeast of Seattle. 946 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,840 I'm sure it is cardinal directions. 947 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000 Compass. This was the. 948 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,240 This was the. OK. 949 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:58,000 Oh, this was the find that led Ridgeway's 40. 950 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,920 She's just learning to read. Sounding it out. 951 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,800 So that was the what led to Ridgeway's 49th life sentence. 952 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,520 OK. And in 2023? 953 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,560 That was yesterday. Remains discovered in 1985 and 954 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:23,080 known as Bone 17 were identified as belonging to a 15 year old 955 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,680 Laurie Ann. Oh my gosh. 956 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,680 Razz Potnik, who was last seen by her family in Lewis County, 957 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,920 Washington in November of 1982. Wow. 958 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,920 That is crazy. That's wild. 959 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,520 I'm glad that she was found. Yeah, the family gets closure 960 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,200 for. Something to be able to bury and 961 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,160 like things like that. They had no idea where she was. 962 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,280 I can't. I can't imagine. 963 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,680 I can't. I never want to think about 964 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,200 that. Gary Ridgway confessed to more 965 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,480 than more, oh, more confirmed murders than any than any other 966 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,680 American serial serial killer. Wow. 967 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,560 Over a period of five months of police and prosecutor 968 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:11,840 interviews, he confessed to 48 murders. 42 of them were on the 969 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,800 police list of probable Green River Killer victims on February 970 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,600 9th, 2004, which is my dad's birthday. 971 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,440 Oh, shut up, Dad. County prosecutors began to 972 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,080 release the videotaped recordings of Ridgeway's 973 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,160 confessions. In one taped interview, he 974 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,280 initially told investigators that he was responsible for the 975 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,280 deaths of 65 women. Wow. 976 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,360 In another taped interview on December 30th, 2003, Gary 977 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,120 Ridgway claimed to have murdered 71 victims and confessed to 978 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,640 having had sex with them before killing them, a detail which he 979 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,720 did not reveal until after his sentencing. 980 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,520 It was like, yeah, I had sex. With him, I mean, they found 981 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,520 semen samples, yeah, like some of them. 982 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,240 So we knew that. We knew that there was some 983 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,840 sexual assault happening. Happening. 984 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,000 In his confession he acknowledged that he targeted 985 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:13,120 sex workers because they were in quotes easy to pick up and that 986 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:18,680 he in quotes hated most of them. He confessed that he had sex 987 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,080 with his victims bodies after he murdered them, but claimed he 988 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,760 began burying the later victim so that he could resist the urge 989 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,040 to commit necrophilia. So that's was his hard. 990 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,000 That was his. Line that was challenging for 991 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,560 him yeah, he's like I got to quit this I'm going to kill him 992 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,560 but I got to quit fucking him. Yeah, after I kill him Jesus 993 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,960 like, oh, he does have a conscience. 994 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,600 It's insane. That is insane. 995 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,880 What the mind tells you is OK and what isn't. 996 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,680 Yeah, you know. In talking sane now, I want to 997 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,600 get into like who Gary was. Who is Gary? 998 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,800 Gary He was born on February 18th, 1949 in Salt Lake City, 999 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,560 UT. That makes. 1000 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,200 Sense now? Yeah, I'm just joking. 1001 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,320 He was the second of three sons to Thomas and Mary Ridgway. 1002 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:17,840 His childhood was somewhat troubled. 1003 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,760 Relatives later described his mother as a domineering woman 1004 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,760 who inflicted corporal punishment upon her sons for 1005 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,920 minor offenses. She sounds like an officer. 1006 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,880 She sounds like I'm going to inflict punishment on you for 1007 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:37,480 minor offenses. She sounds like OK. 1008 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,440 Honestly, bad bitch period. Yeah, slay, slay, he alleged 1009 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,840 that after wetting the bed. OK. 1010 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,280 All right. That's one side angle. 1011 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,240 A habit that persisted into his early teens. 1012 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:58,040 She would wash his genitals. Oh, OK, EW. 1013 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,040 Into his early teens. Like come here. 1014 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,000 It was. It was probably very 1015 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,160 embarrassing for him. Which is a punishment, Yeah, in 1016 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,080 and of itself. Or she's really weird. 1017 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,640 It was to humiliate. Him I would, I would think. 1018 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,000 Gary would later tell defense psychologist that as an 1019 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,040 adolescent, he had conflicting feelings of anger and sexual 1020 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,160 attraction toward his mother and fantasized about killing her. 1021 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,600 OK. Creepy. 1022 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,040 That makes sense though. Gary's father, who's marriage to 1023 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,280 his mom was volatile. He worked as as a bus driver and 1024 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,480 often complained about the presence of sex workers on his 1025 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,520 route. OK, so this this shit was 1026 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:49,040 getting instilled. Yeah, Ridgeway, who is dyslexic, 1027 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,560 was held back a year in high school and exhibited an IQ 1028 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,160 recorded as being in the low 80s. 1029 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,320 OK. Yeah, that's lower. 1030 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,080 It's not, it's not all the way down. 1031 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,240 He's. Low. 1032 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,080 He's he's medium dumb. He's medium dumb. 1033 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,000 Yeah, yeah. When he was 16 years old, Gary 1034 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,200 lured A6 year old boy into woodland, woodland, wooded area 1035 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,400 and stabbed him through the ribs into his liver. 1036 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,880 But the boy the boy managed to survive the attack. 1037 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,320 Whoa. So it started that that young. 1038 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:33,320 Whoa, Yeah, he graduated from Thai High School in 69 and he 1039 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,640 married his 19 year old high school sweetheart, Claudia 1040 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,960 Craig. He just Claudia now. 1041 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,840 Where are you, Claudia? Are you OK? 1042 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,440 Are you? Are you OK? 1043 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,880 Are you willing to do the podcast? 1044 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,440 Yeah, I can You write a celebrity? 1045 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,960 Are you free? Are you alive? 1046 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,040 Do you have Patriot? Yeah. 1047 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:57,920 Do you have $4? He joined the United States Army 1048 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,320 and, I'm sorry, the Navy. Very. 1049 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,200 Different He was deployed to Vietnam, where he served on 1050 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,680 board a supply ship and saw combat. 1051 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,600 Oh, he did see combat. He did see because I know some 1052 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,480 people. Yeah, some people were like I 1053 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,360 was in combat, but he never. Would have never didn't even 1054 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,040 leave the base. During his time in the military, 1055 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,080 Ridgeway had frequent sexual intercourse with sex workers and 1056 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,840 contracted gonorrhea through Craig, who was angered. 1057 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,840 Oh, through contracted gonorrhea. 1058 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,560 Gonorrhea. Although his wife was angered by 1059 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,600 this, he continued the activity without protection. 1060 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,560 His marriage to Craig ended within a year. 1061 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,720 So he's like fucking people. And she's like, how dare you? 1062 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,560 Right. How dare you do that and then 1063 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,080 also get STD so now I can't do anything with you as my husband. 1064 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,240 Right. And he continued to do it. 1065 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,720 Yeah, she's like I'm done. Yeah, game over. 1066 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,000 Good for you. Good for you. 1067 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,520 Go girl. Yes. 1068 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,800 Like you put your foot down, you have boundaries, you have 1069 00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,840 standards. Yeah. 1070 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,040 Where are you? Where are you at? 1071 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,080 But it here's what's weird is friends and family of his 1072 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,200 described him as friendly but strange I mean. 1073 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,520 I know a few people like that I. Mean, I know a few people like 1074 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,720 that too, yeah, but I don't, I would never imagine right them 1075 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,000 doing that crimes like this. Yes. 1076 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,200 His first two marriages resulted in divorce because of 1077 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,760 infidelities. His second wife, Marsha Winslow, 1078 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,040 claimed that he had placed her in a chokehold. 1079 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,120 OK, so now he's becoming violent. 1080 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,360 Gary became religious during his second marriage, prophesizing 1081 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,840 door to door, reading the Bible aloud at work and at home, and 1082 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,120 insisting that his wife follow the strict teachings of their 1083 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,760 pastor. Strange. 1084 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,200 That is strange, but also it's it's something that they're 1085 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,120 trying to put, they put value on themselves that way. 1086 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,160 Well, and I think, and I don't want to be attacked by this, but 1087 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,280 it sounds like he was an extremist. 1088 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,680 Of all. Games to the religious and and 1089 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:16,040 the extreme versions Men are to be worshipped, right Men are to 1090 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,000 be. You, yeah. 1091 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,760 That you need to obey. And it's not because the 1092 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,160 religion says that, but it's because that's how they are 1093 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,640 perceiving things. Yes, but the Bible does say 1094 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,760 stuff like that. You are to obey your husband, 1095 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,840 things like that. But he would also frequently cry 1096 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,040 after reading the Bible or hearing sermons. 1097 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,600 So he was just like. I'm some of it. 1098 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,960 By the Lord and the soul. Yeah. 1099 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,120 Despite his beliefs, Gary continued to solicit the service 1100 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:50,560 of sex workers and asked his wife to participate in sex in 1101 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,160 public or in inappropriate places, sometimes even in areas 1102 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,560 where his victims bodies were later discovered. 1103 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,720 Oh. Yeah, fucking freak. 1104 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,040 Where's Marsha? Marsha, Marsha Marsha. 1105 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,360 According to women in his life, Gary had an insatiable sexual 1106 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,200 appetite. No shit. 1107 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,040 Yeah, he could barely solve himself from having sex with 1108 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,960 dead things. Yeah, so his ex wives and 1109 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,480 several ex girlfriends reported that he demanded sex from them 1110 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,640 several times a day. That's a lot. 1111 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,000 That's too much. Often he would want to have sex 1112 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,160 in public areas, like I said, or in the woods. 1113 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:37,040 That's. Dirty bugs and sticks. 1114 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,800 Sticks. Hokey. 1115 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,240 Ridgeway. And pine cones. 1116 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:50,680 He admitted to having a fixation with sex workers with whom he 1117 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,800 had a love hate relationship. Because they'll do whatever he 1118 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,720 wants. Yeah, it does. 1119 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,000 You know, as long as you're paying, it's a service. 1120 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,280 He frequently complained about their presence in his 1121 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,280 neighborhood, like his dad, but he also took advantage of their 1122 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,360 services regularly. In a statement read at his plea 1123 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,440 hearing, Ridgway said he hated prostitutes. 1124 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,760 He said it. He said prostitutes and he did 1125 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,320 not want to pay them for sex. He just want to take it. 1126 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,880 That's for why. Why do you? 1127 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,080 Why do you I why do people think they're just entitled to? 1128 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,880 Shit, I don't know. Some have speculated that Gary 1129 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,240 Ridgway was torn between his lusts and his staunch religious 1130 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,320 beliefs. He didn't have any religious 1131 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,520 beliefs. He wasn't. 1132 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,440 He wasn't following anything, no. 1133 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,560 He was following his own beliefs. 1134 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,760 Yes. And what I found interesting, 1135 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,800 and I couldn't find any more information about it, is that he 1136 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,000 does have a son out there. Where are you? 1137 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520 Where? Is it Marsha's son? 1138 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,880 It is Marsha's son, Marsha Marsha Marsha. 1139 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,600 Marsha. So. 1140 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,160 What do you think his son's name is? 1141 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,320 His name's Gary. Her name's Marsha Cindy. 1142 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,720 Oh, it's a son. I'm sorry. 1143 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,720 I mean, it could be Cindy. Probably like. 1144 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,920 Let me look. Randolph No. 1145 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,480 Gary Ridgway. Craig, Son, are we ready, 1146 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,920 Matthew? Oh, that's a classic. 1147 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,520 And he? Probably because the Lord he 1148 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,040 looks the Bible. Just like his dad. 1149 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,760 And it's just openly out there. Yeah, I mean, that's wild. 1150 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,040 He's fucking right there. I see him. 1151 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,160 No, wait, no, wait, wait, wait. Oh my God. 1152 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,880 So, Gary, I just found something about it. 1153 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,800 Gary Ridgway's son holds memories of regular soccer dad. 1154 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,560 So Matthew, his dad or his son, remembers his father as a 1155 01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,880 relaxed man who never yelled, who took him camping, taught him 1156 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,080 to play baseball and always showed up for school concerts 1157 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,680 and soccer practices, he said in quote. 1158 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,360 Even when I was in 4th grade, when I was when I played soccer, 1159 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,040 you know, he'd always be there for me. 1160 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:23,040 And in let's see, he told investigators in 2001 after his 1161 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,920 father's arrest for four murders. 1162 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,680 OK, that's what he said after he was arrested is the he was 1163 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:33,000 always around, blah, blah, blah. He also said I don't think I 1164 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,960 ever remember him not being there. 1165 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,800 Well, there's plenty times he wasn't because he was busy. 1166 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,600 He was a busy, busy man. During the years when Gary was 1167 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:49,080 taking was taking his son on bike rides and to eat Donuts, he 1168 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,320 was also terrorizing the South. What a double life. 1169 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,920 Seattle area by killing women and dumping their bodies in 1170 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:56,640 deserted. Areas. 1171 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,560 But he's also doing that in the evening hours. 1172 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,560 This is not, you know, a midday activity. 1173 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,440 Yes. This is not a soccer, a soccer 1174 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,720 game, both. Things are. 1175 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,200 True. Yes, right. 1176 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,240 Like he is you're. Asleep when he's doing this, 1177 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,840 yes. Buddy yes. 1178 01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,920 So Matthew was born in September of 1975 S. 1179 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,240 Virgo. It doesn't say the day. 1180 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:26,720 I don't know, I could ask him and let's see, he was Marsha 1181 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,600 Marsha. Gary told investigators that 1182 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,920 this summer he sometimes showed his son. 1183 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:38,520 He shows his son's picture or the boys room at his home to put 1184 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,000 women at ease. What? 1185 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,600 Oh so like when they would get in the car, like oh look at my 1186 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,320 son, like all this shit. And that's what he would do to 1187 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,720 lure them. Whoa, what a freak. 1188 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,680 Matthew told investigators in July that he doesn't remember 1189 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,680 any strange woman in the car or being left in the truck. 1190 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:06,160 For a long time. He had no idea. 1191 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,520 I mean, why would he see a strange woman in the car? 1192 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,040 He's not doing this with his son. 1193 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,600 I. Think he's just grasping, 1194 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,520 grasping at straw. He's just doesn't want to 1195 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:15,360 believe. He doesn't. 1196 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:21,400 He's in denial. I mean, I get that when you, 1197 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,080 yeah, like you don't want to think that your dad is that 1198 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,720 person. Yeah, I don't think that, he 1199 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,040 said when he was younger, Matthew said he thought his 1200 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,240 father was just one of the 500 possible suspects in the 1201 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,720 killings. I think that's how I related 1202 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,120 that He's just one of the guys that happened to be in one 1203 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,960 place. And, you know, he's my dad. 1204 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,920 He didn't do it, you know. You know. 1205 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,520 You know, that's what he said, you know. 1206 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,760 Well, what we know is he did. It's crazy. 1207 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,920 That is crazy. I I can't imagine. 1208 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,440 Because those killers aren't just killers, they're, you know, 1209 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,880 members of families and stuff like that. 1210 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,360 And it sucks how much because they're not just impacting the 1211 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,560 victims that are murdered or or assaulted or whatever it is, but 1212 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,600 they're also impacting the people that care about them, 1213 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,960 which is a weird thing, that people care about him, but, 1214 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,000 well, yeah. I mean, his, his son was in it 1215 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,400 said like 4th or 5th grade at that time. 1216 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,520 And so, yeah, what a shock, you know, because as a kid, you're 1217 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,920 not. You don't really know. 1218 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,120 No, you don't. You. 1219 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,920 Look at your parents as. As perfect. 1220 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,840 Yeah, in a way, right? Like they know everything. 1221 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,360 They help me with everything. I can count on them. 1222 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,680 So long as they're present. If they're present. 1223 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,520 Yeah, and that's just what Matthew thought. 1224 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,160 Yeah, that's all he saw. Yeah. 1225 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,680 So I thought this case was a nut. 1226 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,720 It is nuts. Green River killer. 1227 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,320 Green River killer. So many. 1228 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,080 So many, so many murders and just the Ted Bundy of it all. 1229 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,320 I thought was so. Cool. 1230 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:02,080 It is pretty cool so. Cool for him to be like, yeah. 1231 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:07,240 Yeah, please some help. Hello, Remember Me from 1232 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,560 yesterday? I have so much time to help you. 1233 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,280 Yeah, sitting on death row currently. 1234 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:14,920 So yeah, I thought it was really neat. 1235 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,400 That is neat. Cool kiss. 1236 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,640 That is a really cool case. Cool. 1237 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,720 Kiss bro. Feel like I said wow 1800 times 1238 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,520 because that's all you can say. It is a wow. 1239 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,360 It is. It's a very much a wow case. 1240 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:25,200 It's. A wow case. 1241 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,880 Because that's not It's not even that long ago. 1242 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,840 No, I mean 2023. They just identified one of the 1243 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,120 bodies. Yeah. 1244 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,200 Lori, so sad. Not from That was Bundy. 1245 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,840 No wait from Oh yeah, because you just said that. 1246 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,400 And then also recently, there was another victim that was 1247 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,040 identified for Bundy. Oh really? 1248 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:53,080 Yeah, I didn't catch that. I I mentioned I think. 1249 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,320 Today. No, just that. 1250 01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,360 I did mention it right now, but I mentioned it before, I don't. 1251 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,840 Remember. We don't remember things. 1252 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,080 Yeah, super, super cool. Cool case bro. 1253 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,200 Hell yeah dude. Right on sick. 1254 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,359 I don't know, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. 1255 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,640 I was yawning the whole time. I was like leaning. 1256 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,160 I looked over in your mouth was like I couldn't look at you 1257 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,000 because I was going to laugh. Because then you're all OK. 1258 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,279 I was going to say you're going to yawn. 1259 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,040 I've rubbed every mascara that I could have potentially had on 1260 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,160 all over my face. So. 1261 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,560 Yeah, cool case. I'm excited about next week's, 1262 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,200 so stay tuned. What's next week's That's Me? 1263 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,000 It's a really good one that you have. 1264 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:47,040 Oh yeah, there's so many. There's so many good ones, so 1265 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,040 Please wait for next week and. And. 1266 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,040 Get the Patreon. Get the Patreon. 1267 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,120 Get the Patreon. Follow us on all platforms. 1268 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,240 You can listen on platforms. If you're listening to us, you 1269 01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:59,520 already know. Do all the things, you know, 1270 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,640 we're people, you're people. We like people. 1271 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,720 And there's a lot of engagement. We're able to really engage with 1272 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,319 you guys on Patreon. Yeah. 1273 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,800 So we're going to be posting videos today. 1274 01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:10,640 Are we? In Patreon. 1275 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,040 Oh yeah, we are, because we're going to think we're going at 1276 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,040 the thing. Yeah, it's going to be a. 1277 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,560 Great time. All right, guys. 1278 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,840 Well, stay safe. And remember, we didn't do it.