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Hey guys, welcome to What's the 
Call the podcast where sports 

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meets side eye. 
We're here to break down the 

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matches, the meltdowns and the 
moments that make us pause and 

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say, what was that call? 
I'm Theo. 

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I'm Andrea. 
And we're glad you're here. 

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Whether you're sports obsessed 
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there's a seat for you 
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Hi, everybody. 
Welcome back to another episode 

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of What's the Call? 
Good morning, Andrea. 

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How are we doing? 
Good morning. 

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A little tired on the Sunday 
morning, but otherwise good. 

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We have switched our recording 
time to 8:00 AM on Monday, so 

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it's always like the first thing
we do with our week, which is a 

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great way to start the week 
because it sets it up right, But

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it's also a lot anyway, so 
tennis, sports, lots been going 

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on. 
I feel like we say this after 

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every Masters, but it's felt 
like an eternity and Madrid is 

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finally over. 
We had a men's final. 

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I was super predictable. 
A woman's final that brought 

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maybe a bit more drama both on 
and off the court. 

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And ultimately, after Madrid, 
Sinner is heading to Rome one 

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win away from the career Golden 
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And that's a set that's been 
completed exactly once in tennis

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history by Djokovic. 
And he was 31 while Sinner is 

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24. 
So yeah, should we get into it? 

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OK, so we can start with the 
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As we just said, I feel like 
there is not a whole lot to say 

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here. 
It is exactly what we saw 

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coming. 
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would say. 
Yeah, it's just getting a little

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bit repetitive. 
Huge Congrats to Sinner. 

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He's now the first player in 
Master's 1000 history to win 

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five consecutive Masters. 
So he's won Paris in 2025, 

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Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo
and now Madrid. 

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Title puts him in one. 
Rome went away from the career 

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of Golden Masters, which means 
winning all 9 masters won 

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thousands at least once, which 
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So I don't know. 
The domination's kind of crazy 

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and huge Congrats to him. 
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But equally it'd be we need some
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him because especially while 
Carlos is out, no one's getting 

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close, right? 
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I feel like Zarev is not up to 
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At all, I mean scoreline 616258 
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It's great final for the crowd 
in Madrid. 

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Yeah, so I've apologized to the 
crowd, as he should. 

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Yeah, he should. 
So Senor has 62 consecutive 

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holds on serve against swear of 
now, which is insane if you 

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think about it. 
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Carlo, like he said, he just 
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Yannick doesn't know how. 
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better at times player, I just 
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He just has a mental blockage 
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Feel like if he breaks Yannick's
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a bit of a mental boost. 
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if he wins one match against 
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Might spur him on a little bit. 
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yeah, if Carlos was out, who's 
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I don't know, you know, he 
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Who's the other players you know
had a great play season and also

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beat him in straight sets? 
Hodar like gave him a good run 

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or whatever, at least took him 
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Hodar at least took him to a tie
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to center in three sets. 
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So yeah, I just think who's 
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I don't know. 
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Literally no one and like going 
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match up. 
He is, yeah, the next down from 

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Alcaraz and Sinner. 
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broken the entire time all 
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where he, you know, immediately 
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entire match. 
So yeah, he's lost nine straight

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matches now to Sinner and yeah, 
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And nor does the rest of the 
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Did you see what he said about 
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rest of the fields? 
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There's a gap between Sinner and
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there's a big gap between 
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everybody else. 
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amongst yeah tennis fans. 
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I right now, of course, Sinner 
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also mainly because Carlos is 
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like a complete sweep over the 
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I mean, I'm pretty sure I don't 
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the same put himself in the same
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Absolutely not like. 
Come on, humility is not his 

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strong suit. 
Like, he's not, he doesn't even 

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play competitive matches against
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You know, that's that's just 
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the same. 
Level not at all. 

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I think he just probably like he
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saying but he can't. 
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Alcaraz is still in the same 
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the Monte Carlo final. 
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I was like, OK, you think you're
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Come on, man. 
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that he was the next, he was 
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He's it was him, TT Pass and 
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OK, well. 
We're going to be the big three.

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That really worked out well for 
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Yeah, I mean, listen, they they 
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It's sort of from our our like 
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tennis. 
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But like, you can't say that, 
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It's funny. 
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last week, maybe Novak will come
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Garros. 
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the other two are miles apart. 
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So I mean, Sasha, get real. 
He also is going to cut his 

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hair. 
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we'll be waiting a long time 
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I know it's going. 
To be Rapunzel down to the 

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floor. 
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thing to say as well, especially
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probably have to play beat 
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So I don't know. 
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to be longer than definitely 
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Probably terrible. 
It's so bad it's going to be 

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down to the floor by the time he
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if. 
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Big if, if, if, if. 
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Let's see how things progress in
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So the women's final, on the 
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there's a lot of lore around the
women's final and like what went

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down there. 
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defeated Mira Andreva 6375 in 
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It's her first WTA 1000 title, 
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woman ever to win a master's 
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And yeah, Andreva, obviously, 
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She's very young. 
She's the first teenager ever to

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reach 31000 finals since 2009, 
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by the final, but I don't think 
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yeah, for. 
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activism around Ukraine can get 

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behind that. 
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undefeated all clay season, so 
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A Roland Garros dark horse. 
We need to talk about her 

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backflip. 
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Wild. 
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is that real? 
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Don't know. 
I know people. 

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Yeah. 
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Yeah, but not tennis players. 
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you're not a gymnast. 
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she like, you know, collapsed 
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fully just backflipped out of 
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Loved that. 
It was a good. 

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Celebration. 
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The crowd loved it. 
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It was. 
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I felt bad for Mira Andreva, 
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a teenager, still working 
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round one or in a final. 
I know she really lives them 

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like every, like beat of a loss.
She like is living at. 

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I don't know. 
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She just can't take it. 
She hates her so much. 

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But yeah, as you said, it's 
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I think because the losses come 
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Unless you win. 
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That's part of tennis. 
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that. 
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bit of controversy also around 
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the fact that Kostyuk is 
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Russian, basically. 
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As, as we mentioned before, 
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one of the most consistently 
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Ukraine since 2022. 
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with Russian and Belarusian 
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I will take pictures with them 
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beginning. 
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Russian, she First off didn't 
take the pre match photo, which 

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fine, a lot of them do match 
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That's become like very normal 
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point. 
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obviously they give their 
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When Kostiuk took the mic, she 
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her sponsors, the crowd, the 
tournament and didn't say a word

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about Andreva. 
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Then when she gave her speech, 
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her team on the title. 
But yeah, I I don't know. 

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I don't know where I stand on 
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What do you think? 
Me neither, honestly, I think on

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a personal level, it's it's sad.
It's sad for for the tennis 

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players because ultimately they 
they didn't choose where they 

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were born. 
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country where, without getting 
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out against the government is 
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I also understand Marta's 
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I feel like she's, she's very 
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not going to shake hands at the 
net that this is, you know, that

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this is a boundary that she set.
And that's part of her activism.

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And it makes it easier for the 
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Yeah. 
For sure. 

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Yeah, yeah, I agree. 
I think that's a good take. 

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Very rational. 
I mean, I yeah, I can see both 

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sides to be honest. 
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wouldn't call it disrespect. 
You know, I know that there's a 

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lot of controversy online about 
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I don't think she's trying to 
disrespect the player. 

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It's just that she's in a 
really, really difficult 

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position and her country is in a
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So it's just all around, you 
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players themselves, but 
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Tennis doesn't exist in a 
vacuum, you know, I know we just

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said that Mira needs to so maybe
mature a little bit and work 

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through managing her emotions. 
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was really mature and she she 
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And congratulated her and. 
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off of that. 
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she's too hard on herself. 
Like her immaturity, like goes 

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back like she reflected back on 
her herself. 

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Like she's so self aware. 
Yeah, self aware, but like minus

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the big fuck you in Indian 
Wells. 

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That was very funny. 
She usually is like very 

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composed towards other people 
and her opponents like we saw at

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her response today as you just 
said, whereas she's super harsh 

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on herself and can be quite 
childish in that way. 

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She needs to give herself a bit 
more grace, I think. 

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Yeah, it's a bit reminiscent of 
Andre Rublev as well. 

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Lovely to everybody else but 
himself. 

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We need them to love, love 
themselves, self love. 

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Yeah, it's important. 
It's important. 

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Like they've both achieved so 
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for themselves. 
So yeah, I mean, tough 

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situation, but great final 
nonetheless for everyone 

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watching. 
And a backflip celebration, 

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which we've, I mean, I've never 
seen that before. 

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So that was pretty cool. 
OK, so before we leave Madrid 

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for good, should we touch on a 
few breakout stories around the 

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tournament? 
Because I feel like they've been

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a couple. 
Yeah, I feel like it was a it 

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was, it was a good tournament. 
It was after everyone shits on 

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it. 
Yeah, once people got over there

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food poisoning, it all actually 
started delivering. 

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So on the women's side, I think 
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mention to Haley Baptiste. 
An incredible breakthrough. 

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Pretty much. 
No, Yeah. 

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What an amazing win against 
Arena Sabalenka. 

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Crazy. 
Quarterfinals. 

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She saved 6 match points well 
against Sabalenka. 

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That's like Sabalenka's we all 
know we it doesn't need to be 

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said, we all know what she's 
like. 

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Like she's locked in and a beast
to save 6 match points against 

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her. 
This is also beast behaviour I 

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feel like. 
To have the nerve to do that is,

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it's insane. 
Insane. 

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Yeah. 
So she beat her in the quarter 

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final, obviously got to the 
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But I think having a win like 
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Sabalenka in the quarterfinals 
is very difficult to back up, 

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especially when you're just, you
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It's a lot of like pressure to 
back a win like that up. 

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So I think she's honestly had 
like a pretty amazing run and 

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just the story around her is is 
great. 

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I think we also need to talk 
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Like she just broke it over her 
knee in her match against 

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Belinda bench. 
Like she served 2 double faults 

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in a row and she was like FS I'm
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I just snapped her racket in 
half over her knee and it just 

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like the pic, the picture is 
like pretty. 

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I feel like it's become like an 
iconic image. 

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Which is cool. 
It takes a lot of strength to 

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be. 
Able to do that? 

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Crazy. 
So yeah, I mean, listen, I don't

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love racket smashers usually, 
but when they're that iconic, I 

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kind of get behind them and 
like, you know, she's not 

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damaging anyone or or the court 
by doing it that way, so. 

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Yeah, I think, God, I mean, I 
can't imagine how tough it is on

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court and like just, it's 
probably cathartic to just. 

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Smash it and. 
Then 100%. 

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Yeah. 
So if it helps you reset then 

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all for it. 
Yeah, we'll be keeping tabs on 

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her ATP side, obviously. 
Maybe we start with Rafa Hodar, 

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just because we touched on him 
already last week, but I think, 

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yeah, special mention to him, 
only 18 and absolutely yeah, 

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killed it. 
He was competitive against 

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Yannick, obviously won in 
straight sets and then he lost 

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it. 
Well, the second set went to a 

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tie break, but that's it was 
really was really competitive. 

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And and again, like he's only 18
and he seems so mature for his 

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age. 
Yeah, I've been so impressed by 

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him. 
Yeah, no, absolutely. 

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And I think also just performing
on that biggest stage in your 

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home country, like it's a lot of
pressure. 

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I mean, I, I think and he's just
totally, you know, stepped up to

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the plate and dealt with it. 
I posted this on our Instagram. 

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But I just love that he has his 
dad in his box and his dad like 

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basically educated himself about
tennis so that he could help his

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son. 
And then like the players box is

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just his dad, which I don't 
know, it's like really endearing

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to like see that. 
But also, yeah, just like 

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witness, like those early stages
of someone's career and like, 

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clearly he's going to be a 
special player, so be 

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interesting to see how he 
develops his team, I guess. 

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Yeah, I think it's so funny 
because it just shows how 

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quickly he's emerged and gotten 
to this point, like his dad. 

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The fact that there's only one 
person in his box and it's his 

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dad is, is crazy. 
Yeah. 

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And also, I think, like I said 
this last week, but in Spain, 

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you know, he's playing in Spain 
in a Masters 1000 and the crowd 

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is chanting Vamos Rafa. 
I mean, that's a lot of 

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pressure. 
I mean, it gives me kind of 

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goosebumps. 
We we might be repeating 

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ourselves a bit, but Spanish 
tennis is definitely in good 

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hands. 
Yeah, between Carlos and him and

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I'm sure a whole other host of 
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So it's exciting. 
Alexander blocks special mention

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to him. 
He is 21 years old from Belgian,

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came into Madrid ranked 69 and 
came out having beaten 3 top 20 

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players back-to-back which is 
pretty cool. 

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He took out Casperud defending 
champion and yeah he's just the 

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third Belgian Masters 1000 semi 
finalist in history so honestly 

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good for him. 
He also says he doesn't see 

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himself as a clay player. 
He thinks he plays badly on clay

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courts. 
I'm like, bro, I think that may 

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have now changed. 
What do you think? 

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To be honest, hadn't heard of 
him for this tournament and I 

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think with these younger 
breakout players. 

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It's it's. 
Tough not to prematurely hype 

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someone up. 
And sometimes I think it can 

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have the opposite effect, like 
when they get there's so much 

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expectation and pressure on 
them, it can it can stifle them 

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in a way. 
So, you know, I'm conscious of 

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that with Rafa Hodar and also 
with blocks, but feel like if if

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this is his worst surface that 
he could be, you know, also a 

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factor in other tournaments. 
Absolutely. 

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His name just really stood out 
to me. 

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I remember last year's Next Gen.
finals he actually took out Rafa

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Hodar in the group stages. 
He eventually lost in the final 

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to learn at TN, but his name 
just really stood out to me and 

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again, like between Hodar blocks
TN like there's a good roster of

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players coming up. 
No so super excited to see 

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what's to come for them this 
season and beyond. 

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OK, so to really put the cherry 
on top of Madrid, we had a 

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pretty hilarious situation at 
one of the semifinals. 

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Anastasia Podapova and Marta 
Kostyuk. 

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Obviously she ended up losing, 
but she made history by being 

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the first lucky loser ever to 
reach a master's 1000 semifinal,

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so that's already a story. 
But the real story was the fact 

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that her boyfriend, ATP player 
Talon Greg's poor, was in her 

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match giving his bit and 
coaching a little bit. 

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And at one point during the 
match they were having a full 

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blown domestic, as the 
commentators put it. 

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And yeah, the cameras caught it 
and it was just too good. 

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They're properly fighting. 
I mean, I, I wonder if that's a 

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kind of basically Greek sport 
was sort of, you know, you could

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tell he was angry with her for 
not believing in herself. 

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You have to believe in yourself.
You're the better player, but 

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you have to believe it. 
And Podipova just responds like 

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I do. 
And then anyway, he's like, 

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well, act like it or play like 
it. 

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I don't know. 
I. 

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It was too funny. 
I I wonder if that was helpful. 

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I don't well, she won that set. 
She ended up then losing the 

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match, but it's just too good. 
Her like I do. 

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I do like clap back. 
So funny but so funny. 

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I mean, listen, I don't know how
I would feel if my boyfriend was

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on the sidelines telling me what
to do. 

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I don't. 
That wouldn't really sit too 

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well with me. 
I don't know if that would 

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motivate me. 
Probably not, But maybe he was 

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trying to make her angry. 
That is a good tactic actually. 

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Yeah, it probably works for 
some. 

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I mean, it definitely works for 
some players. 

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Just if you haven't seen it, 
please go watch the clips 

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because it's a good little 
snippet of entertainment. 

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Honestly made me laugh multiple 
times. 

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Like those two definitely got in
a fight. 

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That night, for sure, yeah. 
That didn't just stay on the 

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court. 
I feel like. 

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No, no, I mean, yeah, it's it's 
interesting. 

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Like, yeah, something to 
definitely think about. 

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Two tennis players dating one 
another has good and good and 

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bad sides I feel like. 
It's good to see he really 

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cares, and I guess maybe he's 
projecting a bit in that 

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situation, you know? 
So yeah, Madrid, it delivered in

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the end. 
It really did. 

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We are on to the next Rome 
starts tomorrow. 

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So, you know, I hope we get some
more stories in a similar vein 

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to the Greeks bore Potipopa 
story, because that is what we 

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love on What's the call? 
So just quickly across the pond,

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Formula One is back. 
Obviously there was a bit of a 

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hiatus all of April. 
I feel like this is one of the 

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big sporting events of the 
season in the US all like 

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everyone comes out to play. 
I feel like from the sporting 

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world, like celebrities in 
general. 

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It's always fun to keep an eye 
on. 

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And we had some good tennis 
sightings there. 

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Serena Williams was there on on 
Friday, standing in the Ferrari 

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garage during free practice. 
She posted a photo hugging Lewis

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Hamilton. 
I really love that friendship. 

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It's cute and your fave or all 
of our fave. 

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Rafa was there all weekend. 
He waved the checkered flag. 

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I loved, I loved that he seems 
so happy. 

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He does. 
He's looking very dapper in his 

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suit. 
I. 

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Feel like he's really enjoying 
his retirement. 

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He is as he should. 
So yeah. 

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And also just like his constant 
updates on, he's like enjoying a

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great weekend at F1 Grand Prix 
in Miami. 

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Like the the live commentary 
just kills me. 

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But like, you just know that 
it's him running his own social 

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media 100% it's all him. 
It's all a very nice weekend in 

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Miami. 
Also, like, I feel like he, he 

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he's obviously doing her job 
waving the flag, but he could 

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have been doing it a bit with a 
bit more like gusto. 

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Is that a word? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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I'm feel like he's he's lost the
muscles. 

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Yeah, he's lost the muscles. 
He was just like. 

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He's a bit like fairy one. 
Yeah, because he did it with his

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right hand. 
Oh, so yeah. 

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So maybe that's why. 
I mean, he's a right guy, I 

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guess. 
He's not He's. 

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A less more strength. 
No, he's a he's actually a 

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righty. 
Oh see, this is a niche. 

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Niche facts that people don't 
know. 

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He's actually righty, but he 
obviously righty strengthen his 

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left hand. 
He's a righty in like his in his

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daily life, yeah, but plays with
the left. 

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But plays with the left. 
Yeah, it. 

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Was ambidextrous thought. 
It would be an advance, an 

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advantage, and it was clearly. 
Yeah. 

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Oh, interesting. 
OK, well, ambidextrous King, 

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let's go. 
Also, I did float the idea that 

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Carlos would be the Grand Prix, 
given he's, you know, got some 

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time off now, but he wasn't, 
even though he loves Miami, he 

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was not there. 
He was actually in Madrid. 

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He was at the Kaha Magica. 
I can't say it, Kaha Magica, 

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whatever. 
Watching his 14 year old brother

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Jaime playing and making his. 
Yeah, he made his Madrid Open 

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under 16 debut and Carlos went 
to watch alongside his parents, 

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which was cute. 
Yeah. 

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And Jaime actually won that 
match, which is lovely to see. 

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So yeah, I got another Alcaraz 
coming thick and fast. 

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But I I just love seeing his 
interaction with his parents. 

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You can tell that they have a 
really nice relationship. 

451
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,040
Yeah, we love. 
His brothers. 

452
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,040
We love a close family. 
He was also, obviously he's got 

453
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,320
the wrist brace on at the 
moment, clapping, trying to for 

454
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,400
his brother and watching his 
brother drop shot. 

455
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,360
He was impressed. 
Yeah, he's learning from the 

456
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,800
best. 
It's pretty cool. 

457
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,440
Yeah, he's being a great Big 
Brother. 

458
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,680
He's not, you know, hitting the 
clubs in Miami. 

459
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,840
He's he's taking the recovery 
seriously. 

460
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,120
Probably the right call for him.
Which leads us to and yes, we 

461
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,240
are recording the morning of the
Met Gala, but it is the Met Gala

462
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,280
tonight and by the time this 
episode comes out we will have 

463
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,440
our answer. 
I still think Carl's is going to

464
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,560
show up. 
I've seen rumors online that 

465
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,920
he's showing up. 
I myself, I'm actually flying to

466
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,200
New York in a couple hours. 
So I mean, I'm not going to the 

467
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,520
Meg, obviously, but I just love 
being there. 

468
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Like I've actually been there 
many first Mondays of May. 

469
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,920
It's always like a good vibe, 
you know, So I'm excited to see 

470
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,440
if I run into Carlos, you know, 
around town. 

471
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,320
But I don't know. 
I've seen rumours online that 

472
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,320
he's confirmed to be going. 
They might just be. 

473
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,240
I think we put that rumour out 
there and now people are like. 

474
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
People are fun with. 
It yeah, people are fun with it,

475
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,280
but obviously Venus Williams is 
Co hosting. 

476
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,240
Right, she's Co chair. 
Co chair, sorry, yeah Co chair. 

477
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,160
She's Co chair with Beyoncé and.
Jeff and Jeff. 

478
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,360
Bezos, Lauren Sanchez. 
Yeah, yeah, tennis and the Met 

479
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Gala. 
So Serena, Serena is already 

480
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,120
there. 
She showed up to Anna Wintour's 

481
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,800
like pre Met Gala party last 
night. 

482
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,640
I don't know if you saw her 
dress, but that is the highest 

483
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,560
thigh split I've ever seen in my
life. 

484
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,240
And good for her. 
You know, she's written so cool.

485
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Serena is going to show up, 
that's for sure. 

486
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Naomi, Naomi, OK, we know she 
loves fashion and like, give it 

487
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,640
to her. 
But like, it's Rome is starting 

488
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,600
tomorrow and you are running 
into the Mark Hotel in a hoodie,

489
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,320
like trying to go unnoticed. 
Like, she's definitely making an

490
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,640
appearance. 
Oh yeah. 

491
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,240
Especially if she's staying at 
the mark. 

492
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160
Yeah. 
Like, yeah, and then, you know, 

493
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,880
masters in Rome is second 
priority. 

494
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Also, bold choice. 
Bold choice, Bold choice. 

495
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,040
But respect? 
Fine, yeah. 

496
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,520
And then who knows, Rafa might 
make the trip up there. 

497
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,360
I don't know he's. 
Pretty. 

498
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Close. 
Yeah. 

499
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,920
He's dateside, so he may as 
well. 

500
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,240
And you know, Roger is Anna's 
absolute number one favorite 

501
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,440
booster child. 
I don't know. 

502
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,680
I feel like he's been laying low
lately, but who knows, Maybe 

503
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,440
we'll see him. 
It's exciting. 

504
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,520
It's exciting. 
We'll know soon. 

505
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,520
We'll know soon and this will be
very out of date, but you know, 

506
00:30:59,560 --> 00:32:04,000
we can't control the timings. 
OK, Quick personal note, need to

507
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,240
clarify from last week, and I 
think I was actually pretty 

508
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,680
clear on it when we spoke about 
Carlos's wrist injury. 

509
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,120
You mentioned that. 
Was it, Jose Moron? 

510
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Yeah, reported that Carlos has 
tenosynovitis and that is what I

511
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,960
had as well last year, right. 
Let's just clarify, I met. 

512
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,600
There was never an intention for
me to become any sort of serious

513
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,840
tennis player. 
It was very much a joke. 

514
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Not a joke that I had tennis 
sinovitis, but a joke that there

515
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,120
was any sort of tennis career. 
I meant my recreational tennis 

516
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,800
career, me playing tennis with 
my friends once a month. 

517
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800
That was what I was referring 
to. 

518
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,640
It has not derailed any serious 
tennis career. 

519
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,040
So everyone needs to chill out. 
I'm sure Carlos is in the best 

520
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,400
hands, right? 
And he's going to be just fine. 

521
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,320
It's not because my tennis 
career, quote, UN quote, has 

522
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200
been derailed that Carlos is 
going to be derailed. 

523
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,720
He's going to be just fine, 
trust me. 

524
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,600
I went to physio like 3 times 
and called it a day. 

525
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,200
He's going to physio probably 
three times a day and it's very 

526
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,400
manageable as we said, just 
wanted to clarify. 

527
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Thanks for clarifying like. 
Andrea's like. 

528
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Andrea's like Andrea's like. 
How is this even a topic? 

529
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600
I think some people just don't 
understand sarcasm, no? 

530
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,920
But you know, and sarcasm is my 
literal language. 

531
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Just, you know, for future 
reference. 

532
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,720
Feels very sarcastic. 
We're both sarcastic, so. 

533
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,440
Yeah, we're both sarcastic, and 
it's part of the humor on What's

534
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,040
the Call? 
So bottom line, Carlos is going 

535
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,040
to be just fine, you know, 
waiting for him to come back. 

536
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Better, bigger and better than 
ever. 

537
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Get well soon, Carlos. 
I can sympathize. 

538
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,679
All righty, guys, it's about 
that time we're going to make a 

539
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,040
final call. 
Andrea hit it. 

540
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,800
Is the Sinner era officially 
open at 24? 

541
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,360
He has 5 masters in one 
thousands in a row and the 

542
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,480
career golden masters is 11 
away. 

543
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,280
He only needs to win the row 
Masters, French Open and gold at

544
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,639
the Olympics to complete tennis.
Just crazy. 

545
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,560
It's crazy. 
He's at 24. 

546
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Insane. 
Will he do it? 

547
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,040
Yes, absolutely, absolutely. 
He'll do it. 

548
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,400
He'll do it in LA Yeah, like 
he'll he's going to win Rome 

549
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,520
next week. 
I'm just putting that out there.

550
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,280
He's going to win Rome next week
and then he's going to win the 

551
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,800
French. 
So that's already, well, then 

552
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,040
he'll have like golden masters 
already career golden monsters, 

553
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,400
but all Cure Slam as well. 
And then yeah, we got to wait 

554
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,720
until LA 28 to complete tennis. 
But I mean, that's also not 

555
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,240
about far away. 
It's in two years. 

556
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:15,600
So he'll be what, 26? 
Crazy. 

557
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,280
Crazy. 
And I feel like the hard part is

558
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680
kind of done. 
I mean, gold at the Olympics is 

559
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,360
hard, but the rest of it, you 
know, he has such a good chance 

560
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,120
of winning the French Open and 
roam Masters. 

561
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,760
It's it's kind of again in the 
bag. 

562
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,880
It's in the bag, especially 
because Carlos is kind of on the

563
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:42,480
shelf at the moment. 
But yeah, I mean, it's sort of 

564
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,320
yeah. 
It blows my mind. 

565
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:50,040
So I would say yes, the Center 
Era is officially open. 

566
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,360
Agreed. 
Agreed. 

567
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Yeah, and I'm like me more and 
more. 

568
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:04,440
I was sceptical at first but he 
is slowly working his way in, so

569
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,560
yeah, very exciting. 
Another sort of goat in the 

570
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,040
making, I guess. 
But I think for that to happen, 

571
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,360
Carlos needs to be at his top 
too. 

572
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,080
I think a GOAT in the making. 
He needs a top competitor. 

573
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Absolutely someone to push him 
for. 

574
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,360
Sure to push him. 
Yeah, both of them. 

575
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Are goats in the making? 
So as always, we would love for 

576
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,320
you to like, subscribe, follow 
rate, review, all that good 

577
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,640
stuff. 
Please do it. 

578
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,640
It helps us so much. 
We have an interview coming next

579
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,080
week that you won't want to 
miss. 

580
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,160
Of course Rome starts tomorrow. 
There have already been 13 

581
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,200
pretty high profile withdrawals 
across both tours, Alcraz, 

582
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,360
Draper, Fritz, Rooney, Madison 
Keys, to name a few. 

583
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,160
They're all out. 
So that makes the tournament 

584
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,800
even more interesting, makes 
room for people to like, you 

585
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
know, make runs and take their 
chances. 

586
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,120
So yeah, the clay court chaos 
continues and we'll see you next

587
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,680
week. 
Bye. 

588
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Bye. 
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589
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590
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