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Hi, this is Dave Olson. 
I'm the senior leader of 

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Heartland Church located in 
Ankeny, IA. 

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I hope the following message 
challenges, encourages and 

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ultimately changes you thanks 
for joining us OK, let's get 

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into the word Romans Chapter 11,
verse 28. 

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We have been we're looking at 
the whole subject of Israel. 

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What is Israel's role in God's 
present economy? 

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That's that's a mouthful. 
That's what we're looking at. 

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I was telling the first service,
you know, there's there's 

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several things that Dr. Pastoral
preaching. 

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There's, you know, there's, 
there's the just the basic you 

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got to lay foundations and, and 
teach people stuff they need to 

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know. 
And so over time you lay 

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foundations and there's those, 
what I would say is prophetic 

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preaching. 
There's times where the now of 

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God breaks in and and there's a 
word for the moment and God's, 

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God's scratching a present itch.
OK. 

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And there's something God's 
wanting to say right in the 

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moment. 
Those are fun. 

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But then there's another thing 
that drives preaching and that 

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is when you got people asking 
you the same question a lot, you

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think, you know what? 
I'm just going to talk about it 

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publicly. 
So we can, we don't have to have

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52 phone calls or, you know, 52 
emails. 

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Let's just teach on this. 
And this is this. 

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Be one of them. 
That's not good grammar, but 

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that's good teaching. 
This is one of those situations 

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where there's there's just been 
a lot of conversation around 

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Israel. 
Israel is always in the news. 

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It's always on the forefront of 
what's going on globally. 

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It just is, but it's especially 
been so as of late. 

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And so there are all kinds of 
swirling theologies and 

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ideologies and and then that 
results in people coming and 

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asking their pastor, pastor 
what, you know, all these 

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questions. 
So I just figured we're going to

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talk about it. 
So that's what we're going to do

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this morning. 
So we're going to look at Romans

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Chapter 11 verse 28. 
Now before we do that, it's 

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interesting when you read the 
apostle Paul, I know I said this

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a couple of weeks ago, but the 
apostle Paul is very complex in 

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his arguments. 
He really is. 

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He's he's dense, not as in as in
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smart, but dense in his 
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I mean, it's like you read Paul.
It's like someone made grape 

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juice but forgot to add the 
water. 

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You know, it's like that 
constant. 

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You could use a spoon. 
I mean, that's Paul. 

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He's just thick what he's 
saying, he's complex and he can 

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be confusing. 
Even Peter said that in in one 

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of his epistles, he said Paul is
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And I think, thank you, Jesus, 
I'm not the only one. 

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So there's all of that we're 
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And and this passage really is 
one of those because this 

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passage is a controversial 
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It's it's a watershed issue upon
which whole theological streams 

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flow from which whole 
theological stream flow. 

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I'll explain that in a minute. 
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And then Paul tells us that this
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that's, I mean, Paul in general 
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And then you get to this and 
Paul says this is a mystery. 

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Paul's trying to unpack a 
mystery because he's been 

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talking about the gospel in all 
these chapters, chapters one 

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through 8, glorious book. 
You get to Chapter 9 and Paul 

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say what about Israel? 
Because it begs the question. 

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The apostle to the Gentiles who 
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the Gentiles says in Chapter 9, 
I have this continual grief. 

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Paul has this, this pain that he
bear carries with them continue.

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There's not a moment's relief 
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because he's looking at his own 
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They were the avenue through 
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by and large have rejected it. 
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the Gentiles, not to his own 
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So Paul says, I would be willing
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And he almost did. 
Many times he was, he was stoned

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and left for dead, beaten with 
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kind of things. 
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that one of those times when 
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probably when he had his angelic
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angelic heavenly encounter that 
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Corinthians chapter 12 where 
Paul says I knew this guy, 

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whether in the body or out of 
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But he went into heaven and he 
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And this guy, whether in he says
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out of the body, I don't know. 
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agree. 
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And maybe he says, I don't. 
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he didn't want the people in the
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hear? 
You can tell me, can't you? 

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I don't know. 
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of those times where he was left
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to heaven. 
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and revelation. 
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this mystery of Israel. 
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We we can't afford to Passover 
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Paul says this is a mystery, 
that Paul was a man again and 

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again that talked about 
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There's several different 
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the book of Ephesians. 
Now we have another one in the 

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book of Romans. 
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work for being a man that 
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we need, you know, we, we, he, 
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chapter one that God would give 
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revelation. 
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work for that is he was a man 
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He was the one that God would 
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he would write them down for you
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And we've got to be careful 
because we can get just so used 

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to the word of God. 
We kind of brush over those 

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things. 
Oh, he's being poetic. 

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Oh, it's a mystery. 
And no, these are deep mysteries

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of God. 
We've talked about this before. 

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The Greek word is mysterion, the
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And the idea is that it's 
military strategy, it's hidden 

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strategy, it's secret strategy. 
They've gathered Intel, hammered

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out a strategy, and that 
strategy itself that God is 

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operating by in the earth is a 
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It's the mysterion. 
It's war room strategy. 

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And God longs to bring us into 
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And that's what Paul is doing 
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He's leaving us the 
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And so this is no small thing. 
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now there's this burning 
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What about Israel? 
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The he's, he's already said 
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Theirs was the Messiah, the 
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holy scrolls, all, all these 
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Jews. 
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We're partying down here in 
worship and they're left outside

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because they've rejected the 
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to us. 
So what, what's to what's, 

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what's to give? 
So what do we do with these 

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Israelites? 
And so that's what Paul is going

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to answer. 
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if they're the chosen people of 
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the chosen, then what gives? 
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God, by and large as a nation, 
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That's not to say there there's 
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course there are. 
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nation that was God's chosen 
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much rejected their Messiah. 
So what do we do with this? 

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And that's what Paul is going to
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So a lot of this, some of the 
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because there's 2 views on 
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there's a lot of tributaries out
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But there's two primary views. 
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overarching terms. 
This one is what's known as and 

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some of the adherents of this 
philosophy don't like this, this

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terminology. 
They don't like to use this 

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title, I understand, but it's 
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And that is replacement 
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And that what that means is that
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God. 
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come from that is that Israel is
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Now here here's the thing. 
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is the Israel of God. 
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there's scripture to the problem
is the second conclusion they 

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cut, they extrapolate out of 
that that therefore Israel is 

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irrelevant. 
OK, so that's one view. 

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There's a second view that God 
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dealing with the church in two 
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there's, there's actually some 
people who believe that God has 

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one covenant with Israel and 
another covenant with us and 

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they actually go to heaven by 
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That is not true, but God is 
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So how do we, how do we sift 
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And it is complex. 
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into this with fear and 
trembling this morning because I

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can already look, I'm confusing 
some of you. 

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I have that gift, by the way, 
some people have a gift of 

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teaching. 
I have a gift of confusion, you 

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know, complexity. 
But so how do we sift through 

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all this? 
And a lot of this is caused by a

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wrong definition, a wrong 
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election. 
OK, Romans 9 is infamous 

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throughout theological history 
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What is meant by election? 
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There's the right one and the 
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I'm just kidding. 
That's what I believe, but I'll 

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try to hide my prejudice and 
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OK, so there's the one view of 
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It means that God and electing 
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it's election for salvation. 
It's it's the basis of Calvinism

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a whole a whole theological 
school of thought over against 

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Arminianism, which has a 
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Calvinism, which then Calvinism 
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definition of election. 
And I'll just put it out there 

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right now. 
I belong to this camp. 

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OK, that most of you know that 
Calvin himself just he said that

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God for his good pleasure. 
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Ephesians for his good pleasure 
and for His glory, created some 

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for eternal damnation to vent 
his wrath to bring himself 

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glory, and others he created out
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It pleases him. 
The Greek word is udochia. 

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It means that he's intent on a 
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happy to do so, and therefore 
nobody's going to deter him from

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the plan he's got. 
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In Ephesians chapter 1, Calvin 
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that God actually created some 
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could exert his wrath on them. 
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because it brings him glory. 
And there's others he created 

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for his to He could save them 
and they could be in heaven, and

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that brings him pleasure and it 
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And that's election. 
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is if you elect some, you have 
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That's the idea there. 
OK, I'm I'm painting with big 

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wide and Calvin did he actually 
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OK, I, I adjusted it a little 
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meaning. 
He he he really believed that 

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Charles Spurgeon. 
Many of you are familiar with 

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Charles Spurgeon. 
I love Charles Spurgeon. 

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He was a Calvinist. 
He was a reformed preacher and 

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Calvin, he, he said, and he was 
accurate. 

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He was correct in this. 
He said Calvin got his Calvinism

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from Augustine or Augustine, 
however you want to say it. 

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People say it both ways, so 
you'll probably hear both this 

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morning. 
Augustine, Augustine, I'm 

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talking about the same guy 
because I don't know which way 

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to say it. 
Men smarter than me disagree. 

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So there's, so Augustine created
this novel and I call it novel 

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idea and I believe it's errant 
definition of election. 

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The reason I say it's novel is 
there was absolutely no church 

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father prior to him that viewed 
this passage in Romans 9:00 and 

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11:00. 
And they didn't, they didn't 

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define election this way. 
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OK, But Augustine introduces he 
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heresy. 
We don't, we don't have time to 

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get into that. 
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already. 
I can see some of your kind of 

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falling over, eyes getting 
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He was dealing with the heresy 
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heresy, he overcorrected. 
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redefined this. 
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first church father in history. 
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He was a church father and and 
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in Africa, very influential and 
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theology, not so much Eastern 
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Western theology somewhat sided 
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But if you go back prior to him,
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consensus view of all the church
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discipled by the apostles. 
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300 years into church history, 
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I've got insight that no one's 
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And this is what this means. 
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and he took a passage that was 
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Israel being the chosen people 
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individual salvation as opposed 
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So that's Calvinism and 
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built on that definition of 
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So and we're going to deal with 
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We'll show you in the Scripture.
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history lesson. 
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That's Calvinistic view. 
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normally called Arminianism or 
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views election not as individual
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usefulness. 
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choosing the one I have to 
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elect some, I automatically 
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The idea goes in it and and when
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dealing with Israel. 
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back into the Old Testament, 
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God originally picked the 1st 
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So the idea over here is that 
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usefulness. 
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being I elect 1 and reject the 
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them so that through them I can 
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I'm going to call one nation 
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people. 
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the nations of the earth, which 
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Abraham, Abram at the time in 
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And the whole background on 
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There's, there's, there's a 
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hour class on this to unpack 
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But in Genesis Chapter 11 was 
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of the earth. 
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It was a ziggurat. 
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heavens because the mountains 
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earth met. 
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above the clouds by building a 
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according to language. 
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nations because people hung out 
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and they intermarried and they, 
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I'm going to confuse the 
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In chapter 12, it said he we 
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Abram. 
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place you do not yet know. 
Leave your Pagan ideology and 

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ERB the Chaldeans and follow me 
and I will bless you and through

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you I will bless all the nations
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And that is what election is. 
Election is a calling and 

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enlistment. 
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to set you aside and I'm going 
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thing. 
They didn't sign up for it. 

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They didn't just like you. 
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we, we talked today about a call
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pastor or call to be, you know, 
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in the blank. 
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life, you don't sign up for 
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You don't say pick me, pick me. 
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he enlists them and you'll meet 
a lot of people that fight the 

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call. 
I wanted to do this, but God 

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made me do that. 
I don't understand that. 

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I'm like, when Jesus found me, I
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I'm like, Lord, if you could, if
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I remember praying, it's a young
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I thought Lord, I was going to 
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I thought, Lord, there was this 
closet. 

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I did some janitorial work and I
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here if I move some of these 
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And I, I remember praying. 
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live here, I'll serve you all 
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If you could use me in the House
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your house and hang around the 
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And the the fact that he lets me
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have to take it off my ear to do
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I mean, it just blows my mind. 
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it's the election. 
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which we're all elected to 
certain things and we fulfill 

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that call. 
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uniquely bless you in a given 
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intention is it doesn't stop 
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It's not that he's saying I have
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gift of giving means you have to
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So a gift of giving gives 
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to create wealth. 
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they have the ability to make 
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And the danger is, is we think, 
oh, I'm uniquely blessed and God

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must have rejected everyone else
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I'm meant to be rich. 
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on myself and let everybody 
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blessing. 
Whatever God has given you, it's

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to come through you to bless 
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It's not that he said, oh, I 
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everybody else gets to be dumb 
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No, I've called you to teach so 
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others. 
The blessing on you comes 

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through you to others. 
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century and that really took 
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especially Reformed theology. 
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and, and the reason this is 
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have to realize that Paul 
unpacks this mystery that God is

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dealing on a couple of planes 
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And this little verse, these two
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unpack that. 
Man, I'm out of breath and we 

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haven't got to the text yet. 
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Look at what it says. 
ESV. 

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As regards the gospel, they, 
this is talking of Israel, OK, 

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the context is clearly Israel. 
I don't have time to prove that 

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to you, just you can read it 
yourself. 

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As regards the gospel, they 
Israel are enemies for your 

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sake. 
But as regards election, they 

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are beloved for the sake of the 
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So here's what Paul is doing. 
Again, Paul is a little complex.

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You got to kind of slow down and
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And Paul is saying, listen, 
there's a mystery and the 

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burning mystery is this. 
If they are the chosen people of

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God, how can they be outside of 
the messianic gift all that he 

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brought? 
How can they be on the outside 

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and unbelief if they're God's 
chosen? 

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How does that even work if 
that's what being chosen is, Who

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wants to be chosen? 
You know, that's that's what 

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he's saying. 
And so he's going to help us 

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understand here. 
So what he does is he shows us 

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that God is dealing in two 
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group of people. 
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assigned a status, a way in 
which he interacts them within 

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that unique context or that 
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And he does it for the benefit 
of two separate groups of people

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simultaneously. 
And the danger is as we reduce 

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it to 1 and we've come to some 
wrong conclusions. 

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That's So what does he say? 
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gospel, How does he deal with 
Israel in regards to the gospel 

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for So the first context to 
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And how is he dealing with 
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corporate people in regards to 
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They're enemies because by and 
large they have rejected the 

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gospel, especially during Paul's
day. 

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They're trying to chase them 
down and kill them the the 

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religious leaders and they're 
enemies of the gospel. 

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So God deals with them as 
enemies. 

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Now, lest you start thinking, 
whoa, that's pretty heavy. 

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The fact is we were all that 
that terminology is used by Paul

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for everyone outside of Christ 
that we were born with. 

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The King James Version says this
enmity. 

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Good. 
There's a word you don't use 

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often. 
Try to find a way to reuse that 

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word this week. 
Yeah, enmity. 

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We're at enmity with God. 
We were born contrary to the 

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gospel. 
We were born antagonistic 

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towards God, his laws. 
We we didn't have to be taught 

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that we were born that way and 
we needed to be reconciled to 

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God. 
So what he's saying is according

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to the when it comes to the 
gospel, in regards to the 

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gospel, they're on the outside, 
They're opposed to the Kingdom 

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of God and God considers them 
enemies. 

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For whose sake? 
Yours and mine, we're the 

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recipients of that. 
It's like, what does that mean? 

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Well, Paul has unpacked in this 
passage. 

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He says that when they were cut 
off, they were the the olive 

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tree of, of Israel and God's 
covenant that they were cut off 

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as a, a native olive branch and 
we were grafted. 

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We were some wild tree out there
and God cut us off and grafted 

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us in. 
And also we're producing olives,

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man. 
We're producing fruit. 

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This is awesome. 
We're acting like we didn't used

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to act. 
You know, it's the fruit of the 

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spirit. 
It's not the fruit of Dave 

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trying harder. 
It's a fruit of the spirit. 

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It's amazing, he said. 
But then the Israelites who have

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rejected their own Messiah, 
they're like dead branches lying

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in the around the olive tree, he
said, But don't get arrogant and

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look at them and like, well, 
look at us. 

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We believe and you don't. 
And Paul says, hey, listen, they

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were cut off so that you can be 
grafted in and you too could be 

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cut off. 
Don't be arrogant. 

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They were cut off because of 
their own belief. 

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And you too can less unless you 
continue in the faith, unless if

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you can persist in your own 
belief, you could be cut off. 

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And he said, and they can also 
be grafted back in. 

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But how? 
Through faith. 

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So what Paul is saying is he's 
well, so that this is for our 

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sake. 
So the first context is in 

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regards to the gospel, right? 
So in regards to the gospel, 

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God, the status, the way that 
God treats them as as enemies, 

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they need to be reconciled to 
him. 

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God doesn't. 
God says you have to surrender. 

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You know, we're at, we all were 
born at war with God. 

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Unless he wins, you lose. 
OK, that's what you've got to 

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lay down your arms and 
surrender. 

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God doesn't say, OK, you won, 
Dave, I surrender. 

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You know? 
No, that doesn't. 

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That doesn't happen. 
If I need, I need to lose so I 

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can win. 
OK, so the gospel enemies, it's 

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for our benefit. 
But in regards to election, 

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they're no longer enemies. 
They are. 

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What does it say? 
Beloved? 

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They're beloved. 
Why? 

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For the sake of the forefathers.
So what is he talking about #1 

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One of our takeaways is we've 
got to understand, and this 

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undermines it, confronts the 
wrong definition that Augustine 

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introduced to the church and has
taken root. 

450
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,480
And it's confused things. 
The gospel and election are two 

451
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,720
separate things. 
And even though they're enemies 

452
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,160
when it comes to the gospel, 
they're still elect. 

453
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,400
And see, if you have the wrong 
view of election, Oh, election 

454
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,360
means you're set aside for 
salvation. 

455
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,040
Then if you reject the gospel, 
that is evidence you're not 

456
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,160
elect. 
And if you accept the gospel, 

457
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,080
then that's the evidence you 
were the elect. 

458
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,320
But in this case, they've 
rejected the gospel. 

459
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520
They're an enemy of the gospel, 
but they're still beloved as 

460
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,800
elect. 
So do you see where I'm coming 

461
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,560
from on that? 
I wish I could be clear. 

462
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,240
I feel like I'm spitting mud out
there and everybody's kind of 

463
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,280
looking at me. 
You're you're what? 

464
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920
Windshield wipers are just 
moving the mud across the 

465
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,240
windshield. 
You know, so understand there's 

466
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,080
a difference between the gospel 
and election election and the 

467
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,040
very next verse tells you backs 
this up. 

468
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,320
OK, the the previous consensus 
theology of the early church 

469
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320
fathers is backed up by the very
next verse. 

470
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,760
What is it the the gifts and 
calling. 

471
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,800
Thank you. 
The gifting and callings of God 

472
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,000
are without repentance. 
They're irrevocable. 

473
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,040
So what he's saying is, and they
even though they rejected the 

474
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720
gospel, they're still the elect 
people of God. 

475
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,840
God still says I'm going to use 
you. 

476
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,040
I'm going to use your lives. 
Now you get the get to choose 

477
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,560
what message is going to come 
through you. 

478
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,480
If I were, God forbid, if I were
to get up tomorrow morning and 

479
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600
said, you know what, I'm done 
with this Jesus thing. 

480
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,760
I think I'm going to go back to 
the way I used to live 40 years 

481
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,520
ago. 
I'm going to go back and start 

482
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,000
living. 
I was a homeless alcoholic, 

483
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,440
which would be a dumb decision, 
but you know what, God would 

484
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,800
still use me. 
There is a call on my life. 

485
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,840
He would use me, but the message
would be different. 

486
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Now the message would be and it 
would be lived out before men 

487
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,160
and the Lord would say, I didn't
ask you if you want to be used. 

488
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,680
I chose you and I will use you 
and I'm going to put my message 

489
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,120
through you. 
You walk with me or you will be 

490
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,880
a message of what it looks like.
A man that walks with God and 

491
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,040
others will be blessed by it. 
And if you reject me, you will 

492
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,280
be a message to the world. 
And what happens when a man 

493
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,400
turns his back on God and you 
will be a tragic story and God 

494
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,280
enlists. 
The callings of God are 

495
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,760
irrevocable. 
So the Israelites are still the 

496
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,520
elect even though they have 
rejected the gospel. 

497
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,600
So these are two separate 
categories. 

498
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,640
Election doesn't equal 
salvation. 

499
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,080
Election is election to a gift 
and a calling that is 

500
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,280
irrevocable. 
And the context is the people of

501
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Israel, not individual people. 
It's not these passages are not 

502
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,680
about what theologians call 
soteriology, individual 

503
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,240
salvation. 
And when we make them that we've

504
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,200
got a shoehorn and pretty soon 
what we do is we start number 

505
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,400
one, we have to look if if 
election means either you're 

506
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,760
appointed beforehand to 
damnation or salvation, then 

507
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,360
that interpretation 
automatically says God's done 

508
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:14,120
with Israel because they've the 
evidence is in their actions. 

509
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,160
They have rejected God. 
So they're no longer the elect 

510
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960
and we are the now the elect. 
We're the Israel of God. 

511
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,120
Now let me pause there. 
That is that we are the Israel 

512
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,240
of God is true. 
The only way in is through the 

513
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,880
Christ. 
He's the door. 

514
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,800
No man comes to the Father, but 
by me. 

515
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,520
You must be born again. 
The only way you can be born 

516
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,400
again is through Jesus. 
He was the only one that paid 

517
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,520
the price. 
No man comes to the Father but 

518
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,520
through him, through the Jewish 
Messiah. 

519
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,240
And the only way for you and I 
in is through Jesus. 

520
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,640
And the only way for the Jewish 
people is 1 at a time through 

521
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,520
Jesus. 
And so it coming into the faith,

522
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,400
we were grafted in and we are 
the Israel of God. 

523
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,080
But that doesn't mean that God 
is done with Israel Because this

524
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,440
passage is telling us in regards
to the gospel, they're enemies, 

525
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,000
but in regards to election, 
they're beloved. 

526
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,040
And then he says this who? 
Who is this for the sake of the 

527
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,920
forefathers, those who have gone
before? 

528
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,560
Well, goes way back to Abraham. 
And God said, I'm going to bless

529
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,160
you and I'm going to make you 
into a great nation. 

530
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,960
And the man became a family and 
the family became multiple 

531
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,800
tribes, which became a nation 
through which all the nations of

532
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,360
the earth were to be and have 
been blessed. 

533
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,200
The gospel, Paul said from them 
came the gospel, from them came 

534
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,480
the Messiah. 
The gospel is gone around the 

535
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,400
world and everywhere the gospel 
is gone, civilizations rise. 

536
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,280
It's, it's an amazing study when
you begin to look at when the 

537
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,800
gospel comes to broken nations 
and all of a sudden they become 

538
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,680
civilized. 
And I'm so tempted to tell some 

539
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,800
stories, but we don't have time.
It's it's an amazing thing. 

540
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,800
All the nations of the world 
have been blessed. 

541
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,880
You've got all these patriarchs,
and not just the patriarchs. 

542
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,760
You've got King David that God 
promised him his throne would be

543
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,920
established forever. 
You've got Moses who cried out 

544
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,520
to God for the nation of Israel.
All these people that were 

545
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:33,440
crying out and God said for 
their sake they are elect and I 

546
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,880
interact with them as beloved. 
I am pursuing them. 

547
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,800
My affections are aroused for 
them for the sake of the 

548
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,840
forefathers to whom I gave a 
promise. 

549
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,000
Now I can't help but make 
another application here this 

550
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,640
morning because yes, this is 
important. 

551
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,240
What is our attitude to be 
towards Israel in this 

552
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,200
tumultuous moment in human 
history where anti-Semitism is 

553
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360
on the rise? 
What is the believers 

554
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,680
responsibility? 
We'll get to that, but there's 

555
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,760
another application here because
what it tells us, Paul says that

556
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,640
God is dealing with great love 
and affection towards a people 

557
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,800
who have rejected him again and 
again and again for the sake of 

558
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
some people way back in their 
history who didn't. 

559
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Last week I was over at Reveal 
Church preaching and I had fully

560
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,840
intended to preach on this one 
past Psalm 63 that I've been 

561
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,800
beating on here. 
I thought that'll be an easy 

562
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,840
one. 
I'm going to preach on that. 

563
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,400
The past said, what are you 
going to preach? 

564
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,400
I said Psalm 63, you want to get
some things up on the screen. 

565
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920
I said, unless God changes my 
mind, I'm going to do that. 

566
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,120
And I got there. 
I had it already, man. 

567
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600
I had notes and I just, man, I 
was bubbling up with Psalm 63 

568
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,600
and someone prayed a prayer and 
it pulled me into Psalm 132. 

569
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,240
And I preached on that. 
And I love this passage because 

570
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760
it says it starts out with a 
prayer. 

571
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,960
Solomon Oh Lord, remember David,
I'm going to paraphrase it. 

572
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Oh Lord, remember my dad and the
suffering he endured. 

573
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,400
He in the present. 
Solomon, it really correlates 

574
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,920
with the dedication of the 
temple. 

575
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Psalm 132 and what is prayed at 
the temple are like templates 

576
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,040
that lay over each other. 
So Solomon is saying, God, 

577
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Remember Me because of the 
promise you gave my dad, but he 

578
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,400
takes it a step farther. 
He said, God remember my dad and

579
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,520
the price he paid for a move of 
God. 

580
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,520
Lord, do you remember that? 
He said, I'll give my eyelids no

581
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,520
rest until there's a resting 
place for the Lord. 

582
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Lord, do you remember my dad? 
How he was? 

583
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,720
He was after you. 
He was you yourself. 

584
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,360
Call him in your written word a 
man after my heart. 

585
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Lord, remember him in all that 
he went through. 

586
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,600
Now, Lord, in light of that, 
deal with me. 

587
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,320
That's an amazing thing. 
Listen, the way you live your 

588
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,520
life right now in this moment in
human history, God will deal 

589
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,080
with your children, your 
grandchildren, your great, great

590
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,520
grandchildren for generations. 
The the little things you do 

591
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,120
carry weight with heaven and the
way you operate in the time of 

592
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,400
of crisis that you turn your 
heart towards him. 

593
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,600
Lord, I don't understand why 
this is going on, but I'm taking

594
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,280
my stand in your goodness. 
I declare you're good, you're 

595
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,880
faithful and I don't know why 
this isn't working, but Lord, 

596
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,600
I'm going to worship you anyway.
Those things are establishing 

597
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,680
things in the moment that will 
have generational ramifications.

598
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:48,360
It's an amazing thing and God 
will deal with generations from 

599
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,280
now on things. 
I was telling the first service 

600
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,520
we had Bob Hazlett in one time 
and he was teaching on, on the 

601
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,720
prophetic and, and so then he 
said, OK, he was teaching. 

602
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,360
He said, now I want you to just,
we're going to do an exercise 

603
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,280
here. 
Everybody's going to pray. 

604
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,200
We're going to ask the Lord, 
find someone in the congregation

605
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,440
and ask the Lord how he sees 
them. 

606
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,639
And then later on, I want you to
share that with them. 

607
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,320
So we did that. 
To be honest, I don't remember 

608
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,280
who I asked about. 
I'm selfish. 

609
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,600
I remember who asked about me 
because my little bald headed 

610
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,040
brother Christopher came and 
said, hey, you remember that 

611
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,400
When Bob said that this was like
2 weeks later, I'm thinking it 

612
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,920
took you long enough. 
He said, do you know when that 

613
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,639
happened? 
I said yeah. 

614
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,120
He said I asked the Lord about 
you. 

615
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,560
You want to know what he said? 
I said yeah. 

616
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,400
And what he shared with me broke
me in half. 

617
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,120
And what really broke me in half
was that there were things I'd 

618
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,800
never shared with anybody, just 
little things between me and 

619
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,639
Jesus. 
And frankly, they weren't that 

620
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,400
big a deal to me. 
I, I thought this, this, just 

621
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,600
these, these little things that 
I, I do, but to the Lord, they 

622
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,679
meant something. 
And it just moved me out That 

623
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,520
Lord, you, you really care about
that stuff, those little things 

624
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,640
in those moments of crisis, when
I say those things and do those 

625
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,280
things, that moves your heart 
and man, it just listen. 

626
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:18,120
We don't realize God's eye is on
you and the little nuances of 

627
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,800
your relationship. 
And just in hardship, you 

628
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,880
turning your heart towards him 
means so much to him and you are

629
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,840
taking ground that has 
generational ramifications. 

630
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,360
It's an amazing day. 
And so God says in Romans, he 

631
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,760
said the Jewish people, even 
though they're enemies of the 

632
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,280
gospel when it comes to 
election, I chose them. 

633
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,920
And for the sake of their 
fathers, I'm going to deal with 

634
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,080
them. 
I am still after them. 

635
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,880
Now what that means is you and I
need to get in on this because 

636
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,040
that's God's heart. 
And if we're like him, we're 

637
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,680
going to be caring about the 
things he cares about. 

638
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,920
That should move us. 
I mean, Paul, the apostle to the

639
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,880
Gentiles was the one who said in
Chapter 9, I'd go to hell for 

640
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,720
them. 
I give my life for the Gentiles,

641
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,240
and he almost did numerous 
times. 

642
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:21,520
But Israel, Lord, I would have 
my name blotted out if they 

643
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:32,070
could come in. 
I am telling you that God will 

644
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:34,270
not. 
He would never refuse that 

645
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:38,950
prayer. 
When God finds someone who's so 

646
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:43,360
wrapped around something like 
that that their life becomes an 

647
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,280
expression of his heart for his 
people that they're willing to 

648
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,920
exchange their very soul, God's 
going to answer that prayer. 

649
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,760
Moses prayed the same prayer, 
the only two guys in all 

650
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,240
Scripture. 
Moses said, God, blot me out. 

651
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,120
If you're not going to go with 
us, Lord, if you, if you're 

652
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,640
going to reject them, then 
reject me. 

653
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,320
I can't. 
You called me to these people 

654
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,280
and Lord, I know they're 
rebellious. 

655
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,240
It's so funny you read Moses 
interaction with God and they're

656
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,920
going back and forth and God 
saying Moses, your people did 

657
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,840
this and then Moses called God, 
your people did this and they're

658
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,240
talking about the same people. 
Both were like, I washed my 

659
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,720
hands on them. 
The good thing was neither one 

660
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,800
of them ever washed their hands 
at the same time. 1 was 

661
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,560
interceding and dealing, you 
know, and God was you. 

662
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,120
This relational thing was so 
beautiful. 

663
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,520
Moses was saying God, Lord, 
you've got to you've got to 

664
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,280
withhold your hand. 
God's going to wipe out the 

665
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,600
whole nation. 
And God said, OK, I will save 

666
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,640
the nation. 
Why? 

667
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,760
Because his heart was so 
gripped. 

668
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,920
My point is this that if Moses 
was able to get there, yielding 

669
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,720
the heart of God, Paul was able 
to get there and God said, I'm 

670
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:56,080
still I believe Moses was one 
that because it doesn't say 

671
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,000
patriarchs, it says forefathers.
God was looking at Moses's 

672
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,880
prayer and saying, I'm still 
going to answer that. 

673
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,800
I'm still going to answer that 
prayer. 

674
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,480
I'm going to do that thing. 
And if that's God's heart, then 

675
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,480
that needs to be our heart. 
There needs to be something in 

676
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,400
our heart that says, God, I want
you to have the rewards of your 

677
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,080
suffering. 
Lord, I want you to have what 

678
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,480
they what you promised these 
forefathers. 

679
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,440
And and I'm telling I take great
comfort in that, that as a dad, 

680
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,040
I can pray for the future 
lineage that came from my loins 

681
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,200
and my grandkids, great 
grandkids, great, great, great 

682
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,920
grandbabies that if Jesus 
tarries, I won't meet them, but 

683
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000
they're going to be affected by 
this dude right here that I'm 

684
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,680
going to live. 
I'm going to leverage my life 

685
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,600
for the future And and literally
that our kids can say Dad, 

686
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,600
father, you remember my dad, 
remember my mom. 

687
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,480
I interviewed this pastor this 
week. 

688
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,200
We're going to have it on the 
video podcast we do Tony Meyer 

689
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,920
from up at life point in Ames, 
the AG Church of I love those 

690
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,760
guys, Tony and Drew and I 
interviewed Tony the other day 

691
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,560
and I knew some of his story, 
but I never knew all of it. 

692
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,120
You got to hear I'm not going to
steal his Thunder. 

693
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,080
You got to hear this, but it 
broke me in half. 

694
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,440
This family went through such 
tragedy and Tony got bitter with

695
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,400
God and was just out running. 
He was he, he believed in God. 

696
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,240
He just didn't want anything to 
do with them. 

697
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Screamed at God, I don't want 
anything to do with you. 

698
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,800
And he was running hard into 
drugs, all this stuff, just 

699
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,520
tormented, he said. 
But my dad, he said every 

700
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800
morning I'd walk down and my 
dad's on his face. 

701
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,320
I knew every day he's crying out
to God and you hear what this 

702
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,680
family went through. 
His dad has become one of my 

703
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,720
heroes. 
I've never met. 

704
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,080
I told him I need to meet your 
dad and one day finally his dad 

705
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,200
brings him some groceries and 
he's just angry seeing him walk.

706
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,680
I'm getting out of the car and 
his dad brings groceries in. 

707
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,560
He's talking to him and he's 
sitting across the table for me,

708
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,800
said Tony. 
You need to give your life to 

709
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,200
Jesus. 
And Tony said you're right. 

710
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,560
His dad about fell off the chair
because there had been years of 

711
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,440
prayer and nothing. 
And he tells him you need to get

712
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,240
right with the Lord. 
And Tony got radically saved. 

713
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,000
All three of this man's sons are
now in full time ministry. 

714
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,400
All three are pastoring. 
They're just and and it's, I'm 

715
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,400
telling you, it's a story of God
bringing such beauty out of 

716
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,280
tragedy. 
But here's the thing. 

717
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,240
So after I talked to him, I was 
just talking to the Lord, and I 

718
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:39,120
saw this picture in my mind of 
their dad, of Tony, just in 

719
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,280
darkness. 
I know what it's like to live 

720
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,360
where Tony was at. 
I remember what it was like. 

721
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,360
I knew the gospel, but I 
couldn't grasp it. 

722
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,240
It's like my life was so twisted
and so broken. 

723
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,120
I was such a mess. 
And I would write notes to 

724
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,960
myself and drunken stupors. 
You got to get help, man, You're

725
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,520
a mess. 
I'd wake up in some strange 

726
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920
place and pull a note out. 
What is this? 

727
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,880
And I just, I couldn't, I 
couldn't take the step. 

728
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,960
I was bound in my mind. 
And all of a sudden I remember I

729
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,240
came into a moment of clarity. 
I need to get saved. 

730
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,360
I need Jesus. 
That was a gift from God. 

731
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,560
The light, according to Second 
Corinthians rather chapter 4, 

732
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,280
this is what it says. 
The light of the knowledge of 

733
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,840
the glory of God in the face of 
Christ Jesus was shed abroad in 

734
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
my heart. 
All of a sudden there was light 

735
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200
and I could see, Oh my goodness,
I need help. 

736
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,440
And I was able to grasp the rope
of salvation that pulled me out.

737
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,760
It was a miracle. 
And I saw Tony in that same 

738
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,320
state, just so dark and broken, 
but I saw a picture of his dad 

739
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120
laying over him just crying out 
to God. 

740
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,800
And I saw like this oppression 
that that that blinds our minds.

741
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960
I know what that's like that 
that oppression where you can't 

742
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,480
think, you can't understand the 
gospel. 

743
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,920
People say it to you and it's 
like dullness. 

744
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,880
You, it's, you can't grasp it. 
It's like a mist you try to grab

745
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,600
and it's gone. 
And all of a sudden, when the 

746
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,680
light comes in, I saw his dad, 
like, over him like an umbrella,

747
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,680
just weeping and crying. 
And it was like his dad was 

748
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040
taking the assault of the 
spiritual realm. 

749
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,760
He's getting hit, and there's 
lightning and hitting himself. 

750
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,720
And Tony's under there. 
And all of a sudden, it became a

751
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,720
place of clarity because the 
demonic assault was being 

752
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,880
absorbed by his father's prayer.
And all of a sudden, Tony said, 

753
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,520
yeah, I need to get saved. 
And now to see what God's done 

754
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,880
with these boys. 
It's just an amazing thing. 

755
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:48,600
And listen, you and I, our 
prayers, the forefathers, God is

756
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,040
still going to work with Israel.
Paul said Israel will be saved 

757
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,120
and it's not the redefined 
Israel that we are the Israel of

758
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,360
God. 
We've been grafted in. 

759
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,720
That's true. 
But God is not done with them. 

760
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,040
They're the elect and he's going
to graft them back in. 

761
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,720
And if they're being cut off, 
cause blessing for us. 

762
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,520
Paul said. 
How much more when they're 

763
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,680
grafted back in? 
We're down here partying during 

764
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,440
worship. 
That was amazing this morning 

765
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,000
what Paul's telling us. 
You think that was good? 

766
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,160
You wait till the Jewish people 
start coming in in mass. 

767
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,200
That's when the real party 
begins. 

768
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,680
This is God's heart. 
God wants to see Israel swept 

769
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,680
into the Kingdom. 
Why is this important? 

770
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Because we have the rising 
anti-Semitism once again. 

771
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,520
It's amazing. 
Racism is an evil ideology. 

772
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,400
It's demonic. 
It's it's, it's an opportunity 

773
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,240
to divide people by the color of
their skin and their ethnicity. 

774
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:52,480
It's evil. 
It's it's despicable, but what's

775
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,280
shocking is that those who are 
the loudest now and right, 

776
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,640
they're crying out about racism,
but some of them are the most 

777
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,280
willing to endorse 
anti-Semitism. 

778
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,480
And it's diabolical, it's 
demonic. 

779
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,520
And you and I cannot afford to 
be on the wrong side of these 

780
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600
things. 
We're against racism and we're 

781
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,800
against all racism and we're 
against anti-Semitism and we're 

782
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,240
going to. 
That doesn't mean that we have 

783
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,400
to endorse everything that the 
Jewish government does any more 

784
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,080
than when they were the elect of
God. 

785
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,960
They did a lot of things and God
spanked them. 

786
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,480
And I've read about some heinous
things that the Jewish 

787
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,200
government has done. 
And you know what? 

788
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,040
Often it's been in cahoots with 
us doing heinous things as 

789
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,960
America, but that doesn't mean 
God washes his hands of us. 

790
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,960
We pray, we repent, we we 
vicariously stand under that 

791
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,400
crowd to God. 
But listen, God's heart is for 

792
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,920
the Jewish people. 
And before this thing called 

793
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,560
human history wraps up, there 
will be a sweeping revival among

794
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,720
the Jewish people, the ethnic 
Jews, the nation of Israel, 

795
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,440
those peoples, and they'll be 
swept into the Kingdom. 

796
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,320
So two things this morning. 
We need to pick up God's burden 

797
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:18,760
for Israel, yes, And understand 
that your prayers, your 

798
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,680
activities, your actions, that 
every little thing you do 

799
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,680
matters to God and he, he, he 
puts weight on that. 

800
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,320
And you need to realize that 
that you, how you live now is 

801
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,680
going to mean something in the 
future. 

802
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,120
Just like those patriarchs, God 
is going to answer those 

803
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,000
prayers. 
They never hit the ground. 

804
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,360
They're still coming before his 
throne. 

805
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Amen. 
Let's stand. 

806
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,080
Thanks for listening to our 
podcast. 

807
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,600
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people hear this message, you 

808
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,200
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809
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
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810
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,360
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you can do so at Heartland 

811
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Church online.com/give. 
It's him. 

812
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,480
It's for his good pleasure. 
Hallelujah. 

813
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,640
If you're here this morning and 
you're not right with the Lord 

814
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,520
and you say, man, I want to get 
right with God. 

815
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,000
Listen, this is the first step 
into starting the life God 

816
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,400
created you for. 
You've got to surrender to 

817
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,880
Jesus. 
There's only one way to have 

818
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,800
relationship with God. 
There is no other way. 

819
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,120
It's an offense to God when he 
took his only begotten Son and 

820
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,720
he was willing to crucify him on
a cross and suffer agony for our

821
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,480
sake that we say, you know what,
I'd like to find another route, 

822
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,280
another religion, another way 
in. 

823
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,040
God provided the one way in at 
great expense to himself. 

824
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,680
He's inviting you this morning. 
If you, if that's you this 

825
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,040
morning, you're saying I need to
get right with the Lord. 

826
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,640
I want to, I want to surrender 
my life to Jesus. 

827
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,240
I want you just to raise your 
hand right now so I can see it. 

828
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Amen. 
Anybody else saying I need to 

829
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,400
get right with God, Raise your 
hand high. 

830
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,400
You know that you need to 
surrender to him. 

831
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,720
Some of you, it's something 
you've done before, but you, you

832
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,360
know, I need to re up. 
I need to fully give him my 

833
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,960
life. 
I've been I've not been fully in

834
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,160
I've I've, you know, I said a 
prayer, but I'm not fully living

835
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,560
for him. 
If that's you, I want you to 

836
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,000
raise your hand. 
We want to pray for you. 

837
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,200
I don't want to rush this this 
morning. 

838
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,800
Some of you, I can feel that the
desire of heaven to pull you 

839
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,800
into the purpose for which He 
created you. 

840
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,960
Anybody else, just raise your 
hand high. 

841
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Keep it up until I acknowledge 
you. 

842
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,920
Hallelujah. 
All right, those that raise your

843
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,640
hand, I want you to come forward
and just just respond to the 

844
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,160
Lord. 
Amen. 

845
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:39,680
Let's give him a hand. 
Amen. 

846
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,720
God bless you. 
God is good. 

847
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,240
Hallelujah. 
Just grab one of these and 

848
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,320
they'll pray with you. 
John. 

849
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Yeah. 
Hallelujah. 

850
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,800
God is good. 
Father. 

851
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,680
Lord, we thank you for your 
goodness towards us. 

852
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Now, Lord, I ask God that you'd 
continue to open the eyes of our

853
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,280
understanding. 
Lord, help us to understand this

854
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,560
grand beautiful plan that you've
enlisted us in. 

855
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Lord, help us to find our place 
and live wholeheartedly in the 

856
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,280
assignment you've given to us in
Jesus name, Amen. 

857
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,720
Listen, if you need prayer this 
morning, we have a trained group

858
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,520
of prayer warriors up here. 
You, you might be going through 

859
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,120
a hard time. 
You just need a word. 

860
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,720
Come on up, they're there for 
you. 

861
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:25,480
I love you, have a great week.
