1 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,760 You're feeling a bit like Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole. 2 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,400 Aren't you ashamed? No, I'm not. 3 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,080 You think you are, lady. You take the blue pill, the 4 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,760 story ends. You wake up in your bed and 5 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,160 believe whatever you want. You take the red pill, you stay 6 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:45,440 in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,720 I think. I'm entitled. 8 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,480 You want answers? What? 9 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:55,800 The truth? You can't handle the truth. 10 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:04,830 Hi, I'm Awake. Are you? 11 00:01:05,910 --> 00:01:10,030 Let's go now to our new episode of The Unfiltered Rise with me, 12 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:15,790 Heidi Love. Hello and welcome to another 13 00:01:15,790 --> 00:01:19,230 episode of The Unfiltered Rise. And today we have with us a new 14 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:21,030 guest. This is Rob from 15 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:23,790 mormonperfection.com. And how are you doing today? 16 00:01:24,470 --> 00:01:26,790 I'm doing great. Thank you for asking and it's 17 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:29,340 nice to meet you, Heidi. Nice to meet you. 18 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:31,740 And we've been chatting for a moment and I just love that 19 00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:35,700 we're able to like talk about all of our experiences coming 20 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:38,820 out of Mormonism, coming out of different things, learning. 21 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:41,460 So I am excited to hear your story today. 22 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:43,380 What do you got for me? Blow it. 23 00:01:43,540 --> 00:01:45,540 Blow my mind. Blow my mind. 24 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:48,500 Oh my goodness. I could probably talk for an 25 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:49,700 hour. Do we have that long? 26 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:51,860 We have. However, we need to have. 27 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:53,980 OK. All right. 28 00:01:53,980 --> 00:01:58,800 Well, so. I'll start with my, my, my story 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,480 of leaving the church. I well, I'll, I'll back up a 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,280 little bit. I joined when I was 17. 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,160 I was dating a girl in 9th grade. 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,919 She was a member of the church. Her whole family was. 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,680 She had an older sister who was married and had, you know, 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,000 several kids already. My home life wasn't receptive to 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,480 having the missionary discussions. 36 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,840 So we had them at her sister's house and and. 37 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:27,750 Some of the things that we did, I I got really involved in their 38 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:30,470 lives, all of them. We went to the beach together in 39 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:33,030 California, in the Bay areas where I grew up and all of that, 40 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:38,470 and we had, they got me really into genealogy and family 41 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:43,750 history and that was the hook that just, like, really got me 42 00:02:43,750 --> 00:02:46,950 because my father, I lost my father when I was very, very 43 00:02:46,950 --> 00:02:52,510 young and I wanted to know more about who he was and where I 44 00:02:52,510 --> 00:02:55,650 came. What made me up as a human being 45 00:02:56,450 --> 00:03:01,890 and to learn more about him and my ancestors kind of man, did I 46 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:04,610 take to that? I'm telling you, I love family 47 00:03:04,610 --> 00:03:07,090 history and genealogy. It is my thing. 48 00:03:08,050 --> 00:03:11,210 And right right now I'm actually working on a project for my 49 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:18,210 grandmother in law. We're doing, we're going to do a 50 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:21,530 wall chart that's going to be professionally made going to 51 00:03:21,530 --> 00:03:24,150 order it. And we're also going to order a 52 00:03:24,150 --> 00:03:27,790 book that's probably going to be around 320 to 350 pages. 53 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:31,830 She just turned 80. And so this, we know the book 54 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:34,790 will be passed down from generation to generation. 55 00:03:34,790 --> 00:03:38,470 It'll be something cherished. And I just, I'm so excited to do 56 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:41,110 it all and Motherinlaw is paying for it. 57 00:03:41,590 --> 00:03:44,510 I'm doing the work. It's a collaborative thing and 58 00:03:44,510 --> 00:03:47,950 we're all putting in together to make it happen and it's going to 59 00:03:47,950 --> 00:03:51,070 be quite a surprise. So anyway. 60 00:03:52,420 --> 00:03:56,540 They have a saying that I I haven't heard, but in the 61 00:03:56,540 --> 00:04:03,660 culture datum dunk them and dump them and that's what happened to 62 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:08,420 me, you know. So she, she tried to come on to 63 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:11,780 me. She was not in her. 64 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,860 She was not in the walk that I was in. 65 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,720 I took it serious. I was a convert. 66 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,680 I believed 100%. I believed in God, in Jesus 67 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,040 Christ before Mormonism, and this just like reclarified it, 68 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,720 made it so much more accurate in my mind at the time. 69 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:37,440 And I mean was was was Jesus doing a ventriloquist sack when 70 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,680 he was being baptized? When the voice came out of the 71 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,120 clouds and said, This is my beloved son and whom I'm well 72 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,410 pleased and. You know the the dove. 73 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:48,170 And then you know when he was on the cross, was he just praying? 74 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:50,890 Father, forgive them for they know not what they do and all 75 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:52,730 that stuff. You know, was he just praying to 76 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:54,610 himself that how did that all work? 77 00:04:54,610 --> 00:04:58,730 And I now understand that better with the analogy of water or the 78 00:04:58,770 --> 00:05:02,850 egg. They all have three parts, ice, 79 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:07,650 steam and liquid. Or egg shell, egg white, egg 80 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:11,610 yolk, but they're all one and the same, so. 81 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:13,570 I love that reference to the Trinity. 82 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:15,970 I think that's great for our listeners cuz maybe everybody 83 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:18,650 doesn't know that so. Yeah, I like to look at it. 84 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:21,810 I get real analytical. But like, you have the egg 85 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:28,610 shell, you have the egg white, you have the egg yolk, and these 86 00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:32,410 things separate. Are not the egg, they're the egg 87 00:05:32,410 --> 00:05:34,130 white, the egg yolk, the egg shell. 88 00:05:35,170 --> 00:05:38,250 So you have and you put the word egg in front of each one of 89 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:43,290 those. God the Father, God the Son, God 90 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:46,410 the Holy Spirit. All three are God. 91 00:05:47,170 --> 00:05:51,450 All three of the egg parts make up the egg. 92 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:57,810 You do not have an egg without one or the other, and and then 93 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:03,210 God holds the universe together. That's the egg shell. 94 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:08,250 The egg yolk is the life the eternal life that we get through 95 00:06:08,250 --> 00:06:14,410 Jesus Christ and the egg white is what nourishes that life as 96 00:06:14,410 --> 00:06:19,810 it grows. I'm getting chills and and so 97 00:06:19,810 --> 00:06:25,810 that that that is our Holy Spirit nourishing our new walk 98 00:06:25,810 --> 00:06:29,410 in Christ. That that egg white is our where 99 00:06:29,410 --> 00:06:33,050 the yolk and the egg white is the Holy Spirit and. 100 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,600 And Jesus Christ. By Jesus Christ we become that 101 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,200 yoke. We can only become the yoke 102 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,640 through him that new life. I just. 103 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Have to say, I am so grateful that you did not lose God in 104 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,760 your loss of Mormonism, because so many people do, and I am so 105 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,360 grateful to God that you that you captures so. 106 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,480 Yeah, I I that's one of the things that I've observed and I 107 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,040 I I've come to see a lot of is that. 108 00:07:04,430 --> 00:07:07,350 People that are born and raised in the church all of their lives 109 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:12,950 I'd say, and and this is just a guess, I have no idea and I have 110 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:15,150 no factual figures to prove any of it. 111 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:20,590 But I'd say probably up where near 75% of people that are born 112 00:07:20,590 --> 00:07:24,550 and raised in the church that leave the church end up becoming 113 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:29,510 agnostic or atheist because they they throw away all four books 114 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:31,910 because they have been taught that. 115 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,040 From the Mormons perspective, the Mormon Church's perspective 116 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,560 or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints perspective 117 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,120 that that God was once a man, that he lived on an earth like 118 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,840 this earth. That he has a body as tangible 119 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,480 as man's, even though the Bible says God is a spirit and that 120 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Jesus Christ is a spirit brother of Lucifer and as we talked 121 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,370 previously, our. Oh my goodness, I'm going to 122 00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:07,770 lose my train of thought it. Happens, it'll come back. 123 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:13,890 If you tell someone that, hey, I know this guy named Rod that has 124 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:21,250 brown hair, brown eyes, dark complexion, is tall, no short 125 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:24,930 and super skinny, well that's a whole different rod. 126 00:08:25,090 --> 00:08:30,290 That's not this Rod. And this Rod has blonde hair, 127 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:31,410 blue eyes. Chubby. 128 00:08:31,950 --> 00:08:37,630 Tall and yeah so when you change the attributes of who God is or 129 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:41,950 what God is and change the attributes of Jesus Christ, it's 130 00:08:41,950 --> 00:08:44,270 no longer the God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. 131 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:49,590 And to understand the Mormon interpretation of the Godhead in 132 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:53,470 how that that differs so greatly from the the Bible. 133 00:08:53,870 --> 00:08:59,590 But the Mormon Church has put their twist on God and. 134 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:05,940 There are additional teachings outside of the Bible and so it 135 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:11,260 it's just so. Like I said when I when I left 136 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:19,140 the church, it was learning that I am not divine in nature, I am 137 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:25,660 fallen in nature and I cannot. I'm not a God in embryo that I 138 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:29,420 will not become a God someday, so. 139 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,500 Let me go back to my story leaving the church. 140 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:38,620 So I went to a state conference and there was a speaker that was 141 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:41,660 up at the podium and I don't remember who it was. 142 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:44,940 I I remember we had the guy that that told all the stories, the 143 00:09:44,940 --> 00:09:47,660 lies. We had him come once to our 144 00:09:47,660 --> 00:09:55,540 state conference at the in Boise, Boise ID and he he said 145 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:59,370 that. We should stay away from anti 146 00:09:59,370 --> 00:10:01,770 Mormon literature and anti Mormon media. 147 00:10:02,930 --> 00:10:05,130 I had never heard that term before. 148 00:10:06,050 --> 00:10:08,610 There was no. Around what year was this? 149 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:12,210 So people know, like when you're ish, just ish. 150 00:10:12,490 --> 00:10:15,530 Well, I left in writing on May 3rd, 1998. 151 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:20,890 In fact, my, my, my all of my documents are on my website. 152 00:10:21,270 --> 00:10:24,710 My baptism, my ironic, my Melkhesic priesthoods, my 153 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:30,550 patriarchal blessing, my temple ceiling, my letters of 154 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:32,950 recommendation from Christian churches that I went and spoke 155 00:10:32,950 --> 00:10:38,110 at after leaving, and all of that is available on my website 156 00:10:38,110 --> 00:10:41,830 under documents. It's all there, loud and proud. 157 00:10:42,070 --> 00:10:44,150 Didn't even white out stuff and block it out. 158 00:10:44,670 --> 00:10:50,390 I'm terrible including the people that it's all there, so. 159 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:53,110 Anyway, you went full in, You went full. 160 00:10:53,830 --> 00:10:56,070 In I was like, I'm going to you know, I don't want anybody to 161 00:10:56,070 --> 00:11:01,910 doubt that I'm not who I say I am, that I have the experience 162 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:04,350 and here's the proof. Here's the documentation. 163 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:06,710 I lived it. I was sealed in the Boise 164 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:12,870 temple. But I'd say it was probably 97 165 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:17,990 because I left in May of 98 that this happened and. 166 00:11:18,410 --> 00:11:20,250 This conference, this state conference. 167 00:11:21,090 --> 00:11:30,850 And so he planted the seed. Because I didn't know what that 168 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:32,890 meant. I didn't know what anti Mormon 169 00:11:32,890 --> 00:11:35,770 literature or anti Mormon media. I I never heard that. 170 00:11:35,770 --> 00:11:39,850 I never even conceived that people would prosecute, 171 00:11:39,890 --> 00:11:43,250 persecute whatever you want to call it, the church, or would, 172 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:46,690 you know, lay out the truth. In real life, that's what it is, 173 00:11:46,690 --> 00:11:48,570 right? You know? 174 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:55,650 And so I went to invoice, I went to the local Family Christian 175 00:11:55,650 --> 00:11:58,890 bookstore. That's where my roots are. 176 00:11:59,130 --> 00:12:02,090 So yeah, let's go there, see what they got. 177 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:04,530 So we all go back to our roots, right? 178 00:12:04,650 --> 00:12:07,490 Maybe there's something there about this that he's talking 179 00:12:07,490 --> 00:12:11,770 about, I don't know. So I go there and lo and behold, 180 00:12:11,770 --> 00:12:13,930 they had a whole video rental section. 181 00:12:14,410 --> 00:12:19,090 Rental videotapes, mind you, because it's 98 and I. 182 00:12:19,170 --> 00:12:21,090 Have my Blockbuster Card. We're close to the. 183 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:27,690 Thing so so I I go in and I start renting these films. 184 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:32,810 I rented Temple of the God Makers, God Makers one God 185 00:12:32,810 --> 00:12:35,970 Makers 2. There's the God Makers and then 186 00:12:35,970 --> 00:12:37,810 there's Temple of the God Makers. 187 00:12:38,530 --> 00:12:42,370 And then I walk and then the final one that did it. 188 00:12:43,710 --> 00:12:46,710 Was this film that's kind of hard to find. 189 00:12:46,990 --> 00:12:49,030 I believe it was done by Jeremiah Films. 190 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:55,070 It's called The Mormon Dilemma. And there is this Christian man 191 00:12:55,070 --> 00:12:58,470 that lives next door to this mock Mormon couple in the in a 192 00:12:58,470 --> 00:13:00,430 nice neighborhood. And they film the neighborhood a 193 00:13:00,430 --> 00:13:01,830 little bit too. And everything. 194 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:07,670 And his church, he's a Christian. 195 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:10,270 They're Mormon. His church is putting on this 196 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:12,390 video. They're going to show the 197 00:13:12,390 --> 00:13:15,830 cartoon segment from the God Maker. 198 00:13:15,830 --> 00:13:22,470 So just the cartoon segment. And they are saying it's full of 199 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:26,910 half truths and half lies and mixed, you know, all this stuff. 200 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:29,350 And it's not correct and it's not accurate. 201 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:32,630 It's like, well, I'd love for you to show me. 202 00:13:33,150 --> 00:13:37,340 I'd love for you to that to me. So he came over later that 203 00:13:37,340 --> 00:13:40,580 evening and they watched the video and they kept pausing it 204 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:41,980 in. While you're watching this 205 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:46,980 video, they kept pausing the video they're watching to check 206 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:50,420 sources. And so they have, you know, of 207 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:53,540 course, they're Mormons. So they had their library of 208 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:55,860 Mormon publications and books and they went and got them and 209 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:59,380 brought them back and they went through it and and found that it 210 00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:01,940 is in the the writings of the church. 211 00:14:01,940 --> 00:14:04,700 These are books published by the Church and. 212 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:06,910 This is all things that are taught. 213 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:12,070 So that cartoon, although it does seem to be exaggerated, 214 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:14,950 embellished, and all of that, well, it's a. 215 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:20,510 Production So it is. On point accurate 100%. 216 00:14:21,390 --> 00:14:25,950 And he felt they watched that. After they're done watching it, 217 00:14:25,950 --> 00:14:29,950 they sit around the dining room table and he starts going over 218 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:39,040 scriptures with him with them. Isaiah 434445 Multiple times God 219 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,280 is is saying through his prophet Isaiah I am God. 220 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,360 There is no other God I know. Not any. 221 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,560 None before me and none after me. 222 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:55,200 Knowing my Bible, the scripture. At the time when I made my video 223 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:00,240 on my on my YouTube and on my on TikTok and stuff, I I thought it 224 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,660 was in Revelation. But it's actually I don't 225 00:15:04,660 --> 00:15:06,380 remember now. Dang it. 226 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:11,660 But anyway, it's a scripture that says when Christ returns, 227 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:15,940 if you don't accept him as your Lord and Savior, that he will 228 00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:18,380 say, depart for me, you workers of iniquity. 229 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:22,500 For I know you not, and forgive me that I speak in King James, 230 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:26,260 not I will never do MIV. Sorry, but that's me. 231 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,960 I'm a very King James. NRSVI actually really like the 232 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,240 old Catholic Bible. But NRSV because, well, because 233 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,560 I believe they're all pertinent, but I know it. 234 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,880 It gets sticky for theology and theologists there but. 235 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Like the American Standard version too, it replaces Lord 236 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,680 with Jehovah, where it's appropriate, where it's all 237 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,040 capital letters, all caps. Yeah, so anyway. 238 00:15:56,340 --> 00:16:01,340 So my brain says depart for me, workers of inequity for I know 239 00:16:01,340 --> 00:16:04,820 you. Not that part of that verse, 240 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:07,260 this. I'm just sitting my my third 241 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:10,860 wife is at work. I'm home alone and I'm watching 242 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:15,100 this and tears are rolling down my face because this verse 243 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:20,260 popped in my head while I was watching this where it says I 244 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:22,540 know not any, none before me and none after me. 245 00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:25,660 I know not any. I know you not. 246 00:16:26,650 --> 00:16:33,210 If I believed that I was going to become a God someday, then he 247 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:39,570 was going to say I know you not when he returns because that's 248 00:16:39,570 --> 00:16:42,330 not what the word says. I know not any. 249 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:47,810 And so that very moment with that video, that was the final 250 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:51,090 thing that broke the straw or broke the shelf or whatever you 251 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:52,490 want to call it. I hate that term. 252 00:16:52,730 --> 00:16:54,610 Broke the shelf because everybody uses it. 253 00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:58,460 And and but anyway, it broke mine. 254 00:16:58,460 --> 00:17:05,339 And I was like my wife was going to be coming home from work and 255 00:17:05,339 --> 00:17:11,020 I didn't know how I was going to tell her, but I did and she was. 256 00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:13,420 She said, Rod, I'll go wherever you go. 257 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:19,339 And we started attending a church in Meridian ID called the 258 00:17:19,339 --> 00:17:23,520 Church of God 7th day. Not 7th Day Adventist. 259 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,400 I wouldn't accept another fallen prophet. 260 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,880 Ellen White is a false prophet, just as Joseph Smith was. 261 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,360 But the Mormon Church likes to call Sunday the Sabbath a lot, 262 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:42,040 and I despise that because it is not the Sabbath and it's you can 263 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,280 call it the Lord's Day if you want, but it was Constantine in 264 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,760 the Roman Catholic Church that changed the day of worship. 265 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,200 From Saturday to Sunday to Christianize the pagans. 266 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,040 Meanwhile, pagans brought their ways, their rituals, their 267 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,920 ceremonies, their things into Christianity, like Easter, 268 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:07,840 Ishtar and Christmas and the IT says in Joe or Jeremiah, one of 269 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,680 the J books. Saturnalia was Christmas yes, 270 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,650 not to be Saturnalia. And go into the woods and chop 271 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:18,450 the tree down with the axe and fix it so it stands upright and 272 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:21,850 deck it with silver and gold. That Christmas show we watched 273 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:24,690 when we were kids with the claymation or the whatever stops 274 00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:31,090 silver and gold. Silver, you know. 275 00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:32,410 Yeah. I don't go out and chop a tree 276 00:18:32,410 --> 00:18:33,570 down anymore. I did. 277 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:37,530 I have a few times when I lived in Idaho at the Forest Service 278 00:18:37,530 --> 00:18:40,410 and went and did it. But it's a plastic tree now. 279 00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:43,510 But still it's the significance of it. 280 00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:46,830 But I'm not worshipping the tree, I'm not worshipping the 281 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:50,630 the the balls that are hung on the tree, which is what it 282 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:56,190 represented and all that. But for a long time I did get 283 00:18:56,190 --> 00:18:59,190 away from that. I I literally would set up a a 284 00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:04,390 Manger scene on a table and we would with a cloth over the 285 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:08,950 table like an end table and we would put our gifts around. 286 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:12,470 The, the, the, the Manger, because the Wiseman brought 287 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:14,310 gifts. He was like 12 and. 288 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:16,430 Yeah. But. 289 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:21,150 That's actually great because I mean, I I like you After, after 290 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:23,910 you get the full knowledge of everything, you step back and 291 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:25,870 go, well, what do you do with this? 292 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:28,230 You know, like, do you cancel Christmas? 293 00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:29,990 Do you cancel everything? Do you cancel? 294 00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:31,890 Do not participate. Do not. 295 00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:34,490 And then I feel like that's really legalistic. 296 00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:38,330 And then I'm like that I don't want to be a Saturn worshipper 297 00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:40,770 or Ishtar worshipper. And then you have to go through 298 00:19:40,770 --> 00:19:43,730 it in your mind and get to some kind of sounds like you did the 299 00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:46,130 same thing. Get to some balance. 300 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:49,010 You know the scripture is that they were shepherds in the field 301 00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:52,170 watching their flocks by night. It snows in Jerusalem, right? 302 00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:55,610 It wasn't. December when this happened. 303 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440 December it was tax season. Yes, it. 304 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,520 Was tax season and and and December is December 25th is the 305 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,840 birth of a Pagan God. So there's paganism again coming 306 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,600 into Christianity and and now we all believe it and do it. 307 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,960 But anyway so she came home we left we went to the Church of 308 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,480 God. 7th day. I'm still at this point and even 309 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,480 in Spanish Saturday is pronounced Sabado. 310 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:29,620 It sounds like Saba and. I I today I I would probably 311 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:34,140 lean more towards being Messianic, believing that all of 312 00:20:34,140 --> 00:20:42,140 the original feasts and feasts and holidays are holy days and 313 00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:44,380 Sabbaths multiple. Not just Sunday. 314 00:20:44,420 --> 00:20:52,180 Saturday, Saturday are where a rehearsal of things to come, 315 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:55,180 even Jesus Christ himself rested in the tomb on the Sabbath. 316 00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:59,690 Yeah, think about that. So. 317 00:21:01,810 --> 00:21:04,730 And you also don't get 3 days and three nights in the belly of 318 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:09,170 a well, as Jonah was in the belly of a well with the 319 00:21:09,170 --> 00:21:15,930 Christian version of of the Sunday sunrise, Easter sunrise 320 00:21:15,930 --> 00:21:18,450 service, the day Christ rose from the dead. 321 00:21:19,090 --> 00:21:20,770 You don't get 3 days and three nights. 322 00:21:21,290 --> 00:21:24,610 Sorry it doesn't work. But anyway. 323 00:21:25,890 --> 00:21:36,490 Psychla on that one, yeah, I I began looking at the temple 324 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:46,530 ceremony and what I had done in the temple, which I I come with 325 00:21:48,130 --> 00:21:52,930 broken heart and on my knees with my hands clasped, asking 326 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:57,450 for God's forgiveness because I made oaths and covenants to a 327 00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:01,690 false God. A God that is not the God of the 328 00:22:01,690 --> 00:22:03,730 Bible is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. 329 00:22:03,730 --> 00:22:08,290 I made oaths and covenants. Mind you, I went August of 90 330 00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:12,010 through the temple. This was after they had removed 331 00:22:12,010 --> 00:22:16,770 the bloody oaths from the temple in April of 90, where you cut 332 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:21,610 your stomach open or cut your throat or pulled out your heart. 333 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,720 In representation, everyone just, I had a person ask me in 334 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,760 the last podcast, he said. Like, I'm like, no, no, no, not 335 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,520 really. In representation. 336 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,280 You did a hand motion that indicates that, but you didn't. 337 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,160 Never. Actually, there was nothing like 338 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,840 that. I remember. 339 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Side note, I remember at the Boise Temple, mind you, the 340 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,360 temple's here and the church is here and there's a parking lot 341 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,740 in between for the church. And then you drive past all of 342 00:22:50,740 --> 00:22:52,940 that and you go in the back. Here is where the parking lot is 343 00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:55,180 for the temple. Well along this side of the 344 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:59,860 temple there was a semi truck part and it was some company. 345 00:22:59,860 --> 00:23:02,100 I don't remember the name of the company, but it was a casket 346 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:06,970 company and it said basket company on the side of the semi 347 00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:08,850 truck. And what did orbits do in the 348 00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:10,770 temple? Baptism. 349 00:23:12,130 --> 00:23:15,850 Oh my gosh, yeah, I I I wish I had a camera and had taken a 350 00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:19,530 picture of that because that was just a moment that was too 351 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:23,450 ironic. But anyway, back to what I was 352 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:28,130 saying. So when I went through the 353 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:33,260 temple and I I worked at the time, I don't know, I I don't 354 00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:35,140 think at this point. When I left the church I was 355 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:41,860 working somewhere else. But once I moved to Idaho from 356 00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:48,140 from California to Boise, I was 21 and and I joined the church 357 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:52,020 when I was 17 in the Bay Area, baptized in the Napa State 358 00:23:52,020 --> 00:24:00,630 Center, Napa, CA and I got a job. 359 00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:05,390 I worked for Sizzler restaurant and you'll know what that is. 360 00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:06,670 Cuz you're in Utah. I do. 361 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:09,950 I do. Sizzler has the most 362 00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:12,550 magnificent, or at least they did when they existed. 363 00:24:13,030 --> 00:24:15,670 Most of them have gone out of business, but magnificent. 364 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:19,790 I think we still have one left and I worked on the salad bar. 365 00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:23,950 There was one in Provo and I worked on the salad bar and they 366 00:24:23,950 --> 00:24:28,030 were going to build 1 identical to the one in Provo near our new 367 00:24:28,030 --> 00:24:32,310 mall in Boise, ID and they wanted to get all the people 368 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:34,750 trained for a higher volume restaurant. 369 00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:38,310 So they sent us to Provo, to the store that was the same 370 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:42,150 footprint but flip-flopped from the footprint of the new store. 371 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:47,430 And I got to go to Provo, UT all expenses paid by the by Sizzler 372 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:50,100 restaurant. We have a hotel paid for two 373 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,540 meals a day, one of them at the restaurant, one of them 374 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:55,300 somewhere else, submit our receipts, get reimbursed, all 375 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,380 that. But I took that opportunity on 376 00:24:58,380 --> 00:25:04,500 my days off to go to Salt Lake City and it was amazing. 377 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:09,180 And I'm taking pictures with my camera of all these upside down 378 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:12,380 stars that are all over the temple. 379 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:16,500 They're inverted stars over every window of the the point 380 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:21,140 pointing down instead of up and over the doorways. 381 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:23,940 The big beautiful Salt Lake Temple doorways. 382 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,380 The the, the the eagle arch went over the road. 383 00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:31,340 I don't know if it's still there, Okay. 384 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:38,860 And then in the Northwestern visitor center where the crisis 385 00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:43,420 statue was, which has now been leveled, it's gone with the with 386 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:48,650 what they're doing with the with the building up the, the Salt 387 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:50,130 Lake Temple in case of an earthquake. 388 00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:52,530 As you know, Angel Marone, I lost his trumpet. 389 00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:57,490 Anyway, it fell out in some earthquake they had there and 390 00:25:57,490 --> 00:25:58,930 they're like, oh, we better do something. 391 00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:04,970 Things are going to fall off. So they're showing that up real 392 00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:06,770 good. So it'll last forever. 393 00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:11,170 And so anyway the Northwestern visitor center crisis statue 394 00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:15,410 room, there was these windows that just basically curved that 395 00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:18,930 looked out over the Tabernacle. And if you look to the left you 396 00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:21,770 would see up in the over here you would see the temple. 397 00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:26,130 And then of course on the other side of the Tabernacle is the 398 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:31,290 assembly hall and all of that and another visitor center on 399 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:35,650 the other corner, literally diagonally or Kitty corner from 400 00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:39,210 this visitor center and in front of that window where these 401 00:26:39,210 --> 00:26:43,240 planter boxes and their bench, there was benches in front of 402 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,400 the planter boxes. So it it hit it kind of I. 403 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040 Have a photo of this. I have a photo. 404 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:54,200 I literally pulled the plant the the benches away away from the 405 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,800 planter box so I can take a picture of it. 406 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,000 And every other recessed panel of this planter box has an 407 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,080 inverted star in it. There are no symbol. 408 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,880 Mormons don't wear crosses. You won't find a cross in a 409 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,180 Mormon home. You won't see it on the temple. 410 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:14,860 You won't see it on the church. You won't see it inside any of 411 00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:19,300 those buildings either. But here you have the inverted 412 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:23,220 star, the pentagram, all over Salt Lake, the beehive symbol, 413 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:25,180 which they'll say is the state symbol. 414 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:30,380 It represents industry, but in reality it came from the Masonic 415 00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:35,700 Lodge. And so all of this has a cultic 416 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,340 and Pagan roots in it. And then they rebuilt the Navu 417 00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:45,160 Temple. Oh my gosh, those windows, When 418 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,120 I saw just the frame of the window that was the inverted 419 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,960 star. And I I it's just A-frame. 420 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,480 It doesn't have the windows, the red and blue windows that they 421 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,440 put in it. I was like, Oh my gosh. 422 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,720 And then they put them up and there's a circle in the concrete 423 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,320 or the asphalt or not asphalt granite around it and another 424 00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:10,230 and they're all in the salt, the, the Navu Temple with the 425 00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:13,550 point pointing down. And then they have the symbol of 426 00:28:13,550 --> 00:28:17,870 Bale, the sun God, and that's on the Salt Lake Temple too, the 427 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:23,430 the symbol of the sun. It's not as characteristic 428 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:28,910 character, like a character drawing not a character. 429 00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:34,590 It's not as characteristic as the ones on the Salt Lake Temple 430 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:39,630 but it's it's cartoonish almost with these horns that it's 431 00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:45,350 holding is Oh yeah it's like on the Navu temple and then of 432 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:49,830 course the the the symbol of the moon in all its phases on the on 433 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:56,640 the Salt Lake Temple and where where did all this come from 434 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,960 and. Astrology on the Washington, DC 435 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,680 Temple. They have like the Big Dipper 436 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,600 and the Little Dipper, but hidden inside of it is the Seal 437 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,880 of Solomon. It's quite interesting. 438 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,720 I'll show you. It's in one of my videos, but 439 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,400 I'll send it to you later. But it was very when I started 440 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,280 seeing like what you were seeing, you step back and go, 441 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,860 well, what's going on, you know? Why are we doing? 442 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:25,060 What does this mean for us? Because I didn't know. 443 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:27,460 I don't know about you, but I didn't know what a Mason was 444 00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:31,740 until a few years ago. So for me, this was huge, you 445 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:34,900 know, Well, and then I heard, you know, the defense from the 446 00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:40,460 Mormon churches, and I get it, but you've got to see the other 447 00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:44,260 side of it. And the yes under in all capital 448 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:49,010 letters underline three times the beauty, and the Mormon 449 00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:54,650 Church doesn't, and that is the symbol of the cross. 450 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,930 I realized that it may not have been originally adopted by 451 00:29:59,930 --> 00:30:01,890 Christianity. I think the fish symbol was 452 00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:06,970 actually adopted first because they had to be secret about they 453 00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:11,330 weren't allowed to worship and they use the symbol of the fish 454 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:13,530 instead as a way to kind of hide it. 455 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,360 I think they that people had there was book burnings and they 456 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,320 had to have you know the church services in basements and 457 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:31,920 secluded places and all of that. And anyway, so I I saw all of 458 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,040 this and then I went through the temple and I compared all of 459 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:45,270 this and I go through the temple ceremony and I'm in on every 460 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:49,150 temple carved in granite or stone or whatever it's made out 461 00:30:49,150 --> 00:30:53,430 of is holiness to the Lord, the House of the Lord. 462 00:30:54,150 --> 00:31:00,390 This is supposed to be a small piece of heaven on earth, yet 463 00:31:00,390 --> 00:31:03,270 they have locks on the lockers when you change your clothes 464 00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:07,350 because you have to go through a temple recommend interview twice 465 00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:10,590 with this Bishop Anna, State president and asked if you are 466 00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:12,550 honest and loyal with your fellow man. 467 00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:15,110 And there's locks on the lockers. 468 00:31:17,150 --> 00:31:20,990 You wear a key and safety pin to your clothes that you walk 469 00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:23,110 around with until you get back to your locker at the end of 470 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:26,950 your session. So anyway, I was like, what? 471 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:29,350 Is that why I shouldn't have to have this? 472 00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:31,430 I don't understand why I'm having to lock my stuff up in 473 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:34,030 the House of the Lord. Is that what heaven's going to 474 00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:36,760 be like? We're going to need a lot of 475 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:45,640 keys. So so I'm going to the temple 476 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,800 ceremony and I'm watching the the creation ceremony and mind 477 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:56,040 you this is the post April 1990 ceremony and the videos on my 478 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,200 website Mormon Perfection under Temples. 479 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,880 Tabs are at the top. Go to temples and click on the 480 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,400 temple to enter. But be careful anyway. 481 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,680 Make sure you have your recommends. 482 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,720 Yes, yes, we'll. We'll stand it at the door. 483 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,160 So anyway. And the the videos there, the 484 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,240 audio's there. The the script is there. 485 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,960 It's all there. And so Adam and Eve are in the 486 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,360 garden and they're looking at all the plant life, you know, 487 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,430 and everything. And and Lucifer introduces 488 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:37,710 himself. He says he comes into the 489 00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:41,390 picture and he says, well, Adam, you have a new world here. 490 00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:45,230 And then Adam says a new world. Yes, the new world pattern after 491 00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:46,710 the old one where we used to live. 492 00:32:47,390 --> 00:32:50,710 And Adam said, I know nothing of any of any other world. 493 00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:53,670 Oh, I see. Your eyes are not opened. 494 00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:56,990 You have forgotten everything. You must eat some of the fruit 495 00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:59,750 of that tree. And Lucifer, He pulls the tree, 496 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:02,070 pulls an apple from the tree, or whatever fruit it is. 497 00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:04,890 Adam, here is some of this fruit. 498 00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:08,290 It will make you wise. I will not partake of that 499 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:10,250 fruit. Father told me that in the day I 500 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:13,010 should partake of it, I should surely die. 501 00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:17,050 You shall not surely die, but you shall be as the gods plural, 502 00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:20,410 knowing, good and evil. I will not partake of it. 503 00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:23,250 Oh, you will not. We shall see. 504 00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:27,210 And then he goes to Eve, presents the whole story to her 505 00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,260 and and here's some of that fruit of that tree. 506 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:34,060 It will make you wise. It is delicious to the taste and 507 00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:38,500 very desirable. And Eve says, who are you? 508 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:42,740 I am your brother. Remember, Lucifer is the spirit 509 00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:45,620 brother of Jesus, and he's our spirit brother too. 510 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,580 Didn't that mean? Anyway, you and my brother and 511 00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:53,220 come here to persuade me to disobey your disobey father? 512 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,140 Is that what all good brothers do anyway? 513 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,520 Is there any other way? There is no other way. 514 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,800 Then I will partake. He takes the fruit from Lucifer 515 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,800 and bites it and now go and get Adam to partake. 516 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,159 So then Eve goes and gets Adam to partake, and he does it and 517 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:22,320 all that and and then I'm sorry, I'm. 518 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,440 I'm reading along because I don't want to make a mistake. 519 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,920 So thou art Lucifer, one who has cast out a father's presence for 520 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960 rebellion. Yes, you are beginning to see 521 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,480 already. That's Lucifer. 522 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,120 Adam says this is really important here. 523 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Adam says, what is that apron you have on? 524 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,600 And Lucifer reaches down and pulls up his cloak and he says 525 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,000 it is an emblem of my powers and priesthoods, plural. 526 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,680 There's only one religion that claims multiple priesthoods. 527 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,840 The Catholic Church claims a priesthood. 528 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,800 A priesthood. The Mormon church claims the 529 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,120 ironic and the malt hesitate priesthood. 530 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,680 It is the only church on earth. It claims more than one. 531 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,320 Even the Satanic church claims one. 532 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,600 So he says it's an emblem of his powers and priesthood. 533 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,920 And then Adam says, I am looking for Father to come down to give 534 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,530 us further instructions. Oh, you were looking for Father 535 00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:27,930 to come down, are you? And then Elohim, you hear the 536 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:32,290 voice in the speakers in the temple in the ceremony vibe, you 537 00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:37,850 know, reverberate in the speakers says it's it's Elohim 538 00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:41,730 speaking to Jehovah who is Jesus, and Elohim being God, the 539 00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:46,490 Father Jehovah. We promised Adam and Eve that we 540 00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:49,330 would visit them and and give them the give them further 541 00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:52,350 instructions. Come, let us go down and Jehovah 542 00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:56,430 says we will go down Elohim And then Adam says, I hear their 543 00:35:56,430 --> 00:36:00,510 voices they are coming. And Lucifer says see you are 544 00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,670 naked. Take some fig leaves and make 545 00:36:02,670 --> 00:36:05,030 you aprons. They took this out of the 2023 546 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:07,550 version. See you are naked. 547 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:09,590 Take some fig leaves and make you aprons. 548 00:36:09,590 --> 00:36:11,830 Father will see your nakedness. Quick, hide. 549 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,070 Come, let us hide. The film stops. 550 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:18,990 If they take it out, what do they do now for? 551 00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:22,650 I'll have to switch. I'll have to switch screens, but 552 00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:24,850 I want to continue. You can go to that. 553 00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:34,170 So then they put on the build stops and the speaker narrates 554 00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:38,170 and says, brothers and sisters, put on your aprons. 555 00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:44,850 Who told Adam and Eve to put on their aprons to make fig leaf. 556 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,730 Make sow fig Leafs together to make aprons to cover their 557 00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:49,130 nakedness. Who was it? 558 00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:52,570 It was Lucifer. Why are we following his 559 00:36:52,570 --> 00:36:55,010 commandment? And doing what? 560 00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:57,090 Lucifer's in the House of the Lord. 561 00:36:57,730 --> 00:37:00,330 We're going to still follow him, Okay. 562 00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:04,330 All right, so we follow him. We put on these green Figley 563 00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:07,530 papers later to take them off and put robes on, and then put 564 00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:09,490 the Figley paper on back on over it. 565 00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:16,650 And we do all of that. And you know, God and Jesus come 566 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:18,730 down, or Elohim and Jehovah come down. 567 00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:21,910 Not to be confused with God and Jesus of the Bible. 568 00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:26,510 Sorry, I probably should say Elohim and Jehovah anyway, it's 569 00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:32,990 just words. So Elohim, you know, calls out 570 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:34,390 Adam. Adam, where art thou? 571 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:37,710 And Adam says, I heard your voice and hid myself because I 572 00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:41,230 was naked. And Elohim says, Who told thee 573 00:37:41,230 --> 00:37:44,510 that thou was naked? Hast thou partaken of the fruit 574 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:47,670 of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which we commanded you 575 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:52,350 thee not to partake the woman that get this is where he passes 576 00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,550 the buck. The woman thou gavest me, and 577 00:37:55,550 --> 00:38:00,710 commanded always her fault, commanded that she should remain 578 00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:05,150 with me, gave me of the fruit of the tree, and I did eat Eve. 579 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,470 What has this that thou hast done? 580 00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:10,870 This is Elohim speaking. And now Eve passes the buck. 581 00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:14,990 Eve says the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 582 00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:17,710 Lucifer. What hast thou been doing here? 583 00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:20,510 I've been doing that which has been done in other worlds. 584 00:38:21,110 --> 00:38:24,630 And so anyway, it goes on and on and they're it. 585 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:27,310 Does it? Does go on and on, doesn't it? 586 00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:28,950 I'm not going to go through all that. 587 00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:37,670 But the point is, is that God rejects what man made to cover 588 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:42,110 his sin and replaces it with coats of skin. 589 00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:48,970 Where most people in Christianity don't get this, and 590 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:53,370 and I mean Christianity, not just Mormonism, but that was the 591 00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:55,970 first animal sacrifice for man's sin. 592 00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:03,330 God had to kill animals for our sin to provide those coats of 593 00:39:03,330 --> 00:39:07,930 skin. It's so beautiful and and gross 594 00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:09,130 too. But anyway. 595 00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:13,450 But good. But yeah, yeah, yeah. 596 00:39:13,450 --> 00:39:20,220 And so he cast them out into the lone and dreary world or the OR 597 00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:22,060 the world we live in, cast out of the garden. 598 00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:26,940 Terror women, A flaming sword put to block the garden of Eden 599 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:29,860 so they can't ever come back. And they go out into the lone 600 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:31,900 and dreary world. And Adam builds an altar. 601 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:38,140 And at this altar, he they they kneel at the altar and they're 602 00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:42,340 they're doing the whole, oh God, here are the words of my mouth. 603 00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:50,240 Oh God 3 * 3 and out from the bushes behind this is the BAU 604 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,040 over here. But I thought we were doing, you 605 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,600 know, crime scene investigation. Not crime scene investigation 606 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:03,680 but behavioral analysis. So anyway, oh God, hear the 607 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,320 words my mouth. This man comes walking out from 608 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,160 the bushes, the the, the trees and shrubbery and all that 609 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,200 behind comes out and he says, I hear you. 610 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,610 What is it that you want? And they look at him and they're 611 00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:20,690 like, who are you? They have seemed to forgotten, I 612 00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:23,890 guess their memories were white or or whatever, because he's the 613 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:25,330 same man. It was back in the garden, 614 00:40:25,330 --> 00:40:28,170 tempting them to eat the apple or the fruit of knowledge or 615 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:32,370 whatever. And he says, who are you? 616 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:37,130 And Adam? And Lucifer says, I am the God 617 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:40,770 of this world, oh God, here are the words of my mouth. 618 00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:45,330 And who comes? Not God, not Jesus, not the Holy 619 00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:50,200 Spirit, not an Angel, but Lucifer. 620 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,520 Well, and then I blew your mind when I said earlier we were 621 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,840 talking and I said you gotta hear this because they changed 622 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,480 it and they used to say this was a Nokian language and we used to 623 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,730 say Pele L. Well, it actually was Hebrew and 624 00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:12,090 it and it was translatable later because now we can look up the 625 00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:13,930 symbols and do all that and find out. 626 00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:15,650 So too many people found themselves. 627 00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:19,810 Of course they changed it, but it means, oh false. 628 00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:21,610 God, hear my words. Wow. 629 00:41:21,610 --> 00:41:28,170 Yeah. It's like it it it that one that 630 00:41:28,290 --> 00:41:31,690 was accurate. It's true, I mean. 631 00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:36,090 Honestly, if you want to practice absolute truth and 632 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:39,930 Mormonism, the break off of the Warren Jess plan is actually 633 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:46,210 more doctrinally correct, as in the original Book of Mormon 634 00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:47,770 doctrine. Do I recommend that? 635 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:49,970 No. None of it's good, but they 636 00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:52,290 actually the the Warren Jess group. 637 00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:58,390 Keep with what he actually said. But with all the polygony and 638 00:41:58,390 --> 00:42:00,230 all the things and lots of weird stuff. 639 00:42:00,230 --> 00:42:04,350 But if you go back to that and one of the main people that I 640 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:07,270 follow, and I know you follow him because you reposted his 641 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:11,910 videos, Bishop Earl, he went over the original Book of Mormon 642 00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:15,270 and that's why he got out, because they had to do something 643 00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:18,070 on the higher ups. He was on the up and up, you 644 00:42:18,070 --> 00:42:21,110 know, and they said, can you review this or do something? 645 00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:24,230 And he said, Oh yeah, then he got done and left the church, 646 00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:28,060 which I was like. I mean, that speaks a lot. 647 00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:30,740 You know, when you get a manuscript of The Real Deal and 648 00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:34,060 they ask you to help translate some things and you leave, 649 00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:35,980 that's. I mean that speaks. 650 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:42,140 So yeah, it does the when I when I left the church, well, let me 651 00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:46,380 go back. So I had learned all these 652 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:51,580 secret handshakes, you know, and all of that and the names of all 653 00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:55,780 the secret handshakes and and went through the veil and all of 654 00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:59,860 that stuff. And it's weird that the 2nd 655 00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,740 token of the Malkesic priesthood, the Patriarchal grip 656 00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:05,260 or sure sign of the nail, is not really a name. 657 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:07,180 It's more like a phrase. It's very long. 658 00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:11,620 I dirty it up and I changed the word one word, but I'm not going 659 00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:19,100 to do that here. But but the priesthood equals a 660 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:23,660 very well dominated church, a very chauvinistic, misogynistic 661 00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:26,940 church. And even when you look at the 662 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:30,740 church headquarters, it's got two globes on either side with a 663 00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:33,300 tall, erect thing in the middle that goes all the way up. 664 00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:37,100 What does that look like to you? Come on, anyway. 665 00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:43,020 And also they in the in the church, not only do they kind of 666 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:46,830 push women down. But they elevate the man to like 667 00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:50,990 such a high level that we can never be like, I mean, I guess 668 00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:53,950 they changed it, but we had to veil our faces because we 669 00:43:53,950 --> 00:43:57,950 weren't even worthy, you know? And that that was so weird to 670 00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:59,150 me. All of it was. 671 00:43:59,150 --> 00:44:02,230 So I don't know how you felt because, but this is a great 672 00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:04,750 question for you because as a Christian, you were already a 673 00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:08,650 Christian and I. I didn't go to another church, 674 00:44:08,650 --> 00:44:12,170 but I found God on my own because my life was so hard and 675 00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:15,850 I never felt God there. I felt scared, alone, freaked 676 00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:19,450 out, panicky. When I was in the temple, I was 677 00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:22,530 terrified afterward. I don't know how you felt, but 678 00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:26,210 it never got better. I felt uncomfortable because I 679 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:31,690 didn't understand how I grew up and what I believed from my 680 00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:36,440 upbringing in Christianity, attending, you know, my mom, 681 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,600 Pentecostal. She was in a choir. 682 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,920 They, they made an album back in San Francisco. 683 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,000 They went to San Francisco. The whole choir did Edwin 684 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,800 Hawkins and Andre Crouch, big gospel names. 685 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,720 They helped produce the album in San Francisco with my mom's 686 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,680 church and the choir that went from Valle, my hometown, to San 687 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,220 Francisco. And I was in my grand my 688 00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:06,220 grandfather went to the same Pentecostal church, But my 689 00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:09,260 grandmother, they were a little bit too much for her. 690 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:12,300 And so she went to the Assembly of God, which is still 691 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:16,540 Pentecostal but way toned down. And I was in the Royal Rangers, 692 00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:19,500 which is like Boy Scouts of America, but from a different 693 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,300 religion, but still almost the same year and badges all that 694 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:25,900 stuff anyway. And I went to a private Baptist 695 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,540 school from first grade through 7th grade. 696 00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:33,480 And so when I went through the temple, that's why I had so many 697 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,080 questions because until that moment, you know that the whole 698 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,320 thing I was telling you about with, you know, Jesus doing the 699 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,440 ventriloquist act when he's being baptized and and on the 700 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,400 cross praying to himself up in heaven, you know, and all of 701 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:59,510 this stuff, it the Mormon definition gave me clarity to 702 00:45:59,510 --> 00:46:04,990 understanding God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit being all three 703 00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:09,830 separate individual beings. Well now the baptism of Jesus 704 00:46:09,830 --> 00:46:12,430 and the voice thundering out of heaven made sense to me. 705 00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:17,990 The the him praying while on the cross now makes sense to me. 706 00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:22,910 It didn't make sense before. There was things that I didn't 707 00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:25,790 comprehend. I do comprehend as a Christian 708 00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:31,720 now, and not being, but at that. Time in that time frame, in that 709 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,560 time frame, in that moment it was like. 710 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,800 Well and they they sucked you in and especially the convert. 711 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,600 So you'll my exhusband was a convert. 712 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,440 They suck you in because they give you OK you are lacking your 713 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,440 generational stuff. They got you into you know 714 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,800 genealogy. They make you feel like you're 715 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,520 in a family. They make you feel like, OK, 716 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,160 families are forever. Your dad had passed away, so 717 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,770 that gave you like, hope. And I feel like they play on 718 00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:01,970 these really good things. Like even I have a wonderful 719 00:47:01,970 --> 00:47:05,490 memories of Primary. I have wonderful memories of 720 00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,410 Girls camp. I have all these great memories 721 00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:11,450 of community like you were talking about. 722 00:47:11,810 --> 00:47:16,130 But when you get to the level where it's going to be the best 723 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:18,250 day of your life today, you're going to the temple. 724 00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:20,850 This is the top. We've been singing songs about 725 00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:24,770 this since I was four years old, so I'm going to go to the temple 726 00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:27,220 today and then. When? 727 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:30,420 Yes. And when I got there, I'm going, 728 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,180 What the hell is going on? And I never felt the same again. 729 00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:37,580 Never. I tell you the the the whole 730 00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:41,020 thing was just creepy. And of course, when I when I 731 00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:46,260 first went, this was before they changed this to now I had to, 732 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:48,980 you know, do most of the stuff for myself first before. 733 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:52,850 So you get baptized in the church building and the the 734 00:47:52,850 --> 00:47:55,370 baptisms that happen in the temple are for dead and dead 735 00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:59,610 only, not for living people. And you just basically baptized 736 00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:02,090 for and in behalf of someone else that has passed. 737 00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:07,650 And anyway, not to go into all that, but the initiatory, the 738 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:10,130 Washington anointing, it's called both things. 739 00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:13,330 It's called the initiatory work or the BAP, the Washington 740 00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:16,610 anointing. I had to go. 741 00:48:16,610 --> 00:48:21,690 I had to 1st off, we didn't have a lot of money and I didn't have 742 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:26,730 my own temple clothes so we had to rent the packet from a rental 743 00:48:26,730 --> 00:48:33,650 desk that they had and I believe I had to rent my white clothes 744 00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:35,890 too. I didn't even have like white 745 00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:37,850 slacks. I had a white button up shirt 746 00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:41,930 but didn't have the slippers, socks, all that stuff. 747 00:48:41,970 --> 00:48:45,740 Had to rent it all. And I'm like, this feels wrong 748 00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:49,020 that I'm having to pay money in the temple because what does 749 00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:52,340 that take me back to the Bible? The. 750 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:55,460 World and the world Temple. The money changers and the 751 00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:58,260 temple and Jesus throwing the tables over. 752 00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:01,620 And what are we doing? We're exchanging money in the 753 00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:03,220 temple. This should. 754 00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:06,580 This should be from the grace of God and the. 755 00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:10,700 Donations, yeah. And it's not like they don't 756 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,700 receive 10% of everyone's income. 757 00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:15,380 It's not like they couldn't. I'm not saying that if you 758 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:18,820 don't, if you have the money to buy your own, great. 759 00:49:18,860 --> 00:49:22,220 But I mean, what about charity? What about what? 760 00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:25,180 What's going on with charity? They make tons of money. 761 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:28,660 That's a racket. That is a racket because they 762 00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:32,500 have the only patents, the only everything, on not only our 763 00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,820 magical underwear, but the temple clothes and everything, 764 00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:38,060 and you have to go to one specific place to get them. 765 00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:41,660 And then after all that, here's the better part, people. 766 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:46,810 It becomes like a bougie thing, like if you buy this bag, funny 767 00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:53,610 enough called symbol symbols is the fancy Mormon bags I'm like 768 00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:55,170 to carry your temple clothes in now. 769 00:49:55,690 --> 00:50:00,010 I mean, it became like, who has the Louis Vuitton of the temple 770 00:50:00,010 --> 00:50:04,050 clothes? It was very, very materialistic. 771 00:50:04,450 --> 00:50:08,040 I felt, yeah. And and we finally did get our 772 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,800 own temple closed. We finally did buy them And it 773 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,160 it was like almost a sacrifice to to. 774 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,480 Yeah. And and then the the Mormon 775 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,920 underwear, you know, the garments that we had to buy. 776 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,280 So like in Boise, in the Overland Park Shopping Center 777 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,880 was Deseret Book. And on the side of the building 778 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,970 was the Beehive Clothing Center. And that's where we would go in 779 00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:32,010 to buy temple clothes and garments. 780 00:50:32,770 --> 00:50:35,970 The women's were in the pink and the boys were in the blue and 781 00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:40,970 and you and they come in many different styles. 782 00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:44,290 You can get the silky satin kind, You can get the cotton, 783 00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:46,810 you can get the mesh, you can get the thermal. 784 00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:55,390 And I was like, oh, wow, OK And so and we are told that this is 785 00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:58,390 supposed to be like a shielded protection against the power of 786 00:50:58,390 --> 00:51:02,430 the destroyer and no. And that it will protect us from 787 00:51:02,430 --> 00:51:04,830 harm and danger and evil and all that stuff. 788 00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:08,110 But we can't wear it in water because Satan is power over 789 00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:12,150 water and we can't wear it. We shouldn't wear it exercising. 790 00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:17,350 And you know and then you know you, you some people take it 791 00:51:17,350 --> 00:51:21,150 super far within like room and go to the shower. 792 00:51:21,550 --> 00:51:25,860 Like literally like you put you're supposed to put the right 793 00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:30,580 leg in first and and that's how and and people will like 794 00:51:30,580 --> 00:51:34,020 literally have them right outside the shower to like not 795 00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:37,340 even step out of the shower and put their right leg in right 796 00:51:37,340 --> 00:51:41,700 away and and your right arm goes in first to the tshirt the top 797 00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:45,980 part and and I don't know if you've heard about all that or 798 00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:47,980 did it or remember any of that or whatever. 799 00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:53,740 That is the one most hideous thing I do not miss. 800 00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:58,180 I was 8 1/2 months pregnant when I went through and I got the 801 00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:03,340 maternity garments and I Oh my gosh, and I was so hot. 802 00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:08,020 And they don't make them if you're a thicker girl, which I 803 00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:10,180 am. But I'm not thick everywhere. 804 00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:15,140 I only have big hips and so I have the small waist. 805 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:17,860 Yeah, because I have the small waist. 806 00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:20,980 And so I'm like these don't fit. These don't. 807 00:52:20,980 --> 00:52:24,740 Even when I was pregnant. And then I have a short rise, 808 00:52:24,860 --> 00:52:28,220 even though I'm really tall, so it's all over the place. 809 00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:29,900 I could never get him to fit right. 810 00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,940 And I was so miserable because I don't have a thyroid, because I 811 00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:38,380 have thyroid cancer and I I get so hot, so fast. 812 00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:41,020 And they just don't care. I mean, you got to wear them. 813 00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:42,740 You got to wear them and that's that. 814 00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:46,780 Top it off for women. You you were told that the 815 00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:49,580 garment had to be next to your skin. 816 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,520 Yes, you have to put your. Bra over the top. 817 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,400 The bra on over the top of this clothing. 818 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,160 Not like you would. Yeah, and how and. 819 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,480 Then when it's the girl time of the month, it's even worse. 820 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,000 Yeah, I. Can't. 821 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,120 It's hideous. It was just the worst. 822 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,840 I I remember coming out. I was already not. 823 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,360 I was not attractive in my 20s. I wasn't. 824 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,400 I I I was heavy. I was. 825 00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:18,220 Uncomfortable. I didn't know about my thyroid 826 00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:20,940 thing yet, so I was really getting big and I didn't know 827 00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:24,740 why and all these things. So I was probably the most 828 00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:28,140 miserable human I'd ever been when I was at the top of my 829 00:53:28,140 --> 00:53:31,300 game. The top, you know it's just. 830 00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:34,670 I I don't know. And it's almost a status thing. 831 00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:38,110 I feel like you're so like if you go to church, even if you 832 00:53:38,110 --> 00:53:41,430 only went to the temple one time in your whole entire life and 833 00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:43,950 you never went back, boy, you were a temple Mormon. 834 00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:47,550 You got the Mormon underwear on. You're more special, You know, 835 00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:49,070 you're better than everybody else. 836 00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:53,070 And it makes people feel that way And my temple recommend 837 00:53:53,070 --> 00:54:01,080 interview with our Bishop he on the hold on when when I went to 838 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,560 my temple recommend interview with my Bishop and and here is 839 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,520 my last recommend I had one of these fancy fancy cards this is 840 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,640 from Boise the Boise ID and here's my recommend has my name 841 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:22,880 on it and and there's the other side of it and and then the the 842 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,280 person I told you in our pre meeting that paid for my round 843 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,320 trip plane ticket to go to the Columbia SC temple open house 844 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:37,960 she sent me her recommend too wow yeah. 845 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,360 And so you can see it. There you go. 846 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,320 Yeah, she. Funny, I don't think I I think I 847 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,800 got rid of all mine. I saved everything. 848 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,520 And then I went to the thrift store and I bought, I bought 849 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,560 scriptures. Nobody else's name's on it. 850 00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,560 But this is the Bible. And then I have the triple 851 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:07,160 combination and then I have the quad. 852 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,200 If you didn't have the quad, you weren't cool. 853 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,440 I know it's it was all about money. 854 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,120 It was, I don't know, we got ours and it got the Roy family 855 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,200 in that box from the front. And my my first life, my son's 856 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:31,870 mother, she left me for another man and she took that Bible that 857 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:35,750 that the scriptures and threw them in the the coat closet by 858 00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:38,670 the front door, took the the scriptures and the temple 859 00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:42,910 picture off the wall and threw them in the closet and the glass 860 00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:44,870 broke on the temple picture. And it was a big one. 861 00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:47,190 It was a big one of the boys temple. 862 00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:51,590 And I was like why? I didn't understand what was 863 00:55:51,590 --> 00:55:53,190 going on. She was born and raised in the 864 00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:54,630 church. She's also not. 865 00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:57,110 She's an inactive member. I don't think she ever went 866 00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:59,390 through the steps of having her name taken off the records, but 867 00:55:59,750 --> 00:56:05,550 whatever. So anyway, in the top corner of 868 00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:09,710 my recommend, this one didn't do it, but my very first recommend, 869 00:56:10,070 --> 00:56:14,710 he had us commit to how many times we could go to the we 870 00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:17,350 would go to the temple, and at that time they were only good 871 00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:21,030 for a year. You can see on this one, it was 872 00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:26,120 issued in 97, it expired in 98 and so yeah. 873 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,240 Mine was here. Now they're two years, I think, 874 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,240 but we wrote in the top corner, right above the serial number 875 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,600 here on the side. How many times you would go, how 876 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,280 many times we would go? And he was like 3-6 times for 877 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,240 the year and I was like, no, we can go at least once a month. 878 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,040 And so he wrote 12 up in the corner. 879 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,280 I think we doubled or tripled that because we go more than 880 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,040 once a month. Friday was fun in the Boise 881 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,200 Temple. When you go down, when you go in 882 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,120 the entrance and you go to the left, like you're going to the 883 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,080 baptismal. Before you get to the baptismal, 884 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,560 there's stairs that go downstairs and there's a 885 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,400 cafeteria down there and they serve prime rib on Friday night. 886 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,880 And all the food at the cafeterias that cost again 887 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,920 exchange money in the temple anyway. 888 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,760 And so great date night, you take your work to the temple and 889 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,320 you go do work for the dad. Go through endowments or a 890 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,880 ceiling or washing an anointing session, whatever session you 891 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,840 want. Gosh, then you go have dinner 892 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:36,360 together have primary of. That's romantic with your jammy. 893 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,360 Your Jesus Jammy's on. Yes, this jammy's my my 894 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,200 underwear because that's what I've been. 895 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,480 So I was like in the. I wear those, yeah. 896 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,280 And I was very conscious about that, you know, that was Bill 897 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,560 like, to not let anyone ever see them because the Gentile was 898 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,000 not. We weren't allowed to let other 899 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,280 people see them. They were to be hidden and 900 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,120 covered at all times. And I'll never forget, I went 901 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,760 over to a member's house and I'm friends with her now on 902 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,920 Facebook. The daughter, her name is 903 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,440 Nicole, and we met up on one of the Facebook groups, or TikTok, 904 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,000 I'm not sure which. But Oh my gosh, it's been like 905 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,720 years. Like, I'm 57 and she's like, 906 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,240 this was back when I was, you know, in my 20s and and so we 907 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,240 found each other. And she's a Christian too. 908 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,960 She left the church. Yeah, it's amazing. 909 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,280 But so many of us have since since the Internet. 910 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,840 I feel like they've really struggled to keep the the bottle 911 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,120 on tight. And then they came out with that 912 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,960 whole. Trust your fake. 913 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,560 Don't trust your fears thing and don't look up things. 914 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,200 And yes, doubt your doubts, doubts. 915 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:59,880 Don't be so. But it's she lived around the 916 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,200 corner from me our house. And our house was literally. 917 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,830 Let me let me give you this. The church Chapel building. 918 00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:12,070 The address was 1111 S Cole Rd. in Boise, ID. 919 00:59:12,550 --> 00:59:17,750 I'm sure it still is. My address was 1114 S Cole Rd. 920 00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:22,870 right across the temple. That are the angle shot. 921 00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:25,670 That's like the front and the side of the temple were taken 922 00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:28,310 from my driveway on a tripod by many people. 923 00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:33,570 Several time anyway. So I went over to her house and 924 00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:36,610 her dad answered the door and he was wearing his garment top and 925 00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:38,810 nothing, you know, of course he had bottoms something. 926 00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:41,410 On yeah, like shorts or something. 927 00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:43,330 On. But, you know, just like a dude 928 00:59:43,330 --> 00:59:45,570 would wear, like, his jeans or his shorts. 929 00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:49,970 Like you know everyday, everyday jeans or everyday shorts that 930 00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:52,890 you in public. He would he answered the door 931 00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:55,250 and his T-shirt, but it was his garment T-shirt. 932 00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:59,720 Here's his compass and square and his rule embroidered over, 933 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,720 you know his parts and symbols and everything. 934 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,640 You know the the the embroidered compass and square, the Masonic 935 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,800 symbols. And I could see it and I was 936 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,520 like, how did you know that I wasn't a member or that I was a 937 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,160 member I mean and I I didn't say anything to him. 938 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,600 I kept myself quiet. But I was like that is not 939 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:25,400 that's that's so that is social do that and. 940 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,040 So many rules. So many rules. 941 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,160 Not only that, but the judgment that you develop as a Mormon 942 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:37,560 Beings, you know, judge not, lest you be judged yet down your 943 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,240 nose at regular, common, everyday folks. 944 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,960 If they were drinking a cup of coffee, let alone smoking a 945 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:51,520 cigarette or, you know, anything else, it was like you're you're. 946 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,320 Such a dinner, the girl wearing a sun dress or you know. 947 01:00:57,860 --> 01:01:01,100 Her shoulders exposed. I still get that I want 948 01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:04,100 sundresses or my jam, and I still live in Utah. 949 01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:08,180 Boy, do I get the I get the evil, the evil stir. 950 01:01:09,220 --> 01:01:12,940 I smile. I'm like, make sure they see my 951 01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:14,780 tattoo or whatever. Yeah, with your tattoos. 952 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:18,060 I saw that with my crucifix on my hand. 953 01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:24,110 Yeah, so my cross. When I left after all that, I I 954 01:01:24,110 --> 01:01:26,790 had to break all those oats and covenants and everything, and I 955 01:01:26,790 --> 01:01:30,870 developed a website and all of that, and it was called at the 956 01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:36,350 time it was called Helping mormons.org and I stayed with 957 01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:38,790 that for a long time and that was the website 958 01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:43,510 addresshelpingmormons.org. But the whole name of the, at 959 01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:45,990 the time I called it Administry. I don't like to call it that 960 01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:47,350 now. I just called it an outreach, 961 01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:50,670 but it's still kind of a ministry, I guess. 962 01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:55,490 It's fine because I feel pulled and driven again. 963 01:01:56,570 --> 01:02:01,090 Thank you God to do it again. To get on the bandwagon again. 964 01:02:01,130 --> 01:02:05,930 And so praise God, Praise God that you can help people because 965 01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:10,930 how how many of us come out and just feel so like your family 966 01:02:10,930 --> 01:02:14,810 goes against you, like even if they don't to your face. 967 01:02:14,810 --> 01:02:17,410 But mine did. Mine sued me and tried to take 968 01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:19,090 my kids and all this crazy stuff. 969 01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:21,670 So then. Even if if that doesn't happen 970 01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:25,070 to you, they don't treat you the same ever. 971 01:02:25,390 --> 01:02:27,670 Again, none of that with the family stuff happened to me 972 01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:29,750 because I was the only member of my family. 973 01:02:30,350 --> 01:02:34,110 But I did other people, yeah, that you're helping me. 974 01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:36,710 My mom's side of my family's in California. 975 01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:38,550 My dad's side of my family's in Michigan. 976 01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:45,590 I moved with my best friend Keith from California to Boise. 977 01:02:46,830 --> 01:02:49,630 All I knew was him, and then him and I had a falling apart, a 978 01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:52,430 falling away, or whatever you want to call it, falling out. 979 01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:57,190 That's the word, falling out. And so I'm in this state where I 980 01:02:57,190 --> 01:03:01,110 know nobody. I have no family, I have nobody 981 01:03:01,350 --> 01:03:05,430 but the church. And you know, I wasn't very 982 01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:08,110 active at the time when I first got to Boise. 983 01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:10,470 But the house I ended up, we looked. 984 01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:13,110 I looked and looked and looked at houses with my realtor. 985 01:03:13,610 --> 01:03:17,010 And we had exhausted everything. And then one day he called me 986 01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:18,650 up. Hey, Rod, this house just came 987 01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:20,770 on the market. You got to go with me. 988 01:03:20,770 --> 01:03:23,130 We got to go see it. Nobody has seen it yet. 989 01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:26,530 I'm like, OK, let's go. So we went to go look at it. 990 01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:29,010 And lo and behold, it was right across the street from the 991 01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:32,570 temple in the church. And I was like, it's a son God 992 01:03:33,530 --> 01:03:35,770 where I'm supposed to be. Well, because. 993 01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:40,570 Tell me to get back in church because, you know, as a Mormon, 994 01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:45,110 how many times is it a sign or a feeling or something? 995 01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:47,230 Everything. Is that everything. 996 01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:50,910 So yeah. So I did. 997 01:03:51,030 --> 01:03:54,870 I did end up getting, you know, when I met my first wife. 998 01:03:55,470 --> 01:04:00,790 She was a born and raised member of the church and I corrupted 999 01:04:00,790 --> 01:04:02,950 her at first because I wasn't back on. 1000 01:04:03,110 --> 01:04:06,590 I wasn't back on track yet and she got kicked out of her 1001 01:04:06,590 --> 01:04:09,270 parents home. She was 18, but she was still in 1002 01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:14,710 high school and her senior year. Called me like it 3:00 in the 1003 01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:17,630 morning crying and told me to come get her and all of her 1004 01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:19,110 stuff. And I did. 1005 01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:28,350 And we lived together in sin, and we eventually made amends 1006 01:04:28,350 --> 01:04:32,470 with her mom and dad, and we had our wedding in her mom and dad's 1007 01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:36,270 backyard with my, our Bishop for our location. 1008 01:04:36,590 --> 01:04:40,220 Because it's very. Segregated with it's divided up 1009 01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:43,300 a lot like school districts where if you live on one side of 1010 01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:44,820 the road you have to go to this ward. 1011 01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:46,860 If you live on this side of the road you have to go to a 1012 01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:50,580 different ward. And so anyway our Bishop married 1013 01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:55,940 us in her mom and dad's backyard and and then exactly a year to 1014 01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:59,180 the date we were sealed in the Boise temple for time and all 1015 01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:03,180 eternity. So we got we got married August 1016 01:05:03,180 --> 01:05:09,810 the 4th, my mother's birthday. 19. 80. 1017 01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:17,370 Nine and August the 4th of 90 we got sealed in the temple and we 1018 01:05:17,370 --> 01:05:21,530 have been trying during that whole year of you know of now 1019 01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:27,530 living legal married couple have a child and nothing was. 1020 01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:32,890 Happening, you know, and and she went to the doctor. 1021 01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:37,210 I went to the doctor. Like and anyway so. 1022 01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:39,930 When we were kneeling across the. 1023 01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:42,450 Altar and I thought. This was so special and so 1024 01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:48,250 testimony building Anyway, we dealed across the altar. 1025 01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:53,530 Neither one of us knew. She was about two to three weeks 1026 01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:58,570 pregnant with our son, my son, Daniel. 1027 01:05:59,210 --> 01:06:02,490 God is. My judge was, which is what 1028 01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:06,060 Daniel means. Was in the temple with us when 1029 01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:07,820 we got sealed for time and all eternity. 1030 01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:12,420 I thought that was special. That was the case with me as 1031 01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:13,180 well. I was. 1032 01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,500 He was a convert. Yes, he was a convert. 1033 01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:19,700 And he was Catholic and Irish. His parents still hate me for 1034 01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:21,220 that. I don't blame him. 1035 01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:26,740 I'm sorry. Anyways, we were married civilly 1036 01:06:26,740 --> 01:06:30,780 because of the whole I was young and we were fooling around, 1037 01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:34,380 whatever. And so then we got married by 1038 01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:37,860 the Bishop in the Relief Society room, blah blah blah. 1039 01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:41,140 And then we turned around and we had got pregnant later. 1040 01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:46,140 And we had my daughter. I was like probably 8 months 1041 01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:48,660 pregnant at the time we went through so. 1042 01:06:49,180 --> 01:06:51,380 So she was there too. Yep, she. 1043 01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:55,420 Was her name is. Her name is Celeste, so you 1044 01:06:55,580 --> 01:06:56,980 didn't have to celestial Kingdom. 1045 01:06:57,980 --> 01:06:59,430 Anyway. You didn't have to. 1046 01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:01,950 You didn't have to bring her back to the temple to have her 1047 01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:05,470 no oven it. Yeah, because she was. 1048 01:07:06,910 --> 01:07:10,230 Here's the messed up part. So later in my life I go to get 1049 01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:13,310 remarried and he joins the church and everything. 1050 01:07:13,310 --> 01:07:20,310 And I said, hey, do you do we need to have my son seal to us? 1051 01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:25,330 Because he was getting ready to go through and they said, Oh no, 1052 01:07:25,330 --> 01:07:29,410 it's just already done. And I said no because he's he, 1053 01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:33,890 he's not his son. My exhusband, It's my new 1054 01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:35,970 husband's son. So we need to steal him. 1055 01:07:36,330 --> 01:07:40,370 And they said, Oh no, it's just a done deal with your exhusband 1056 01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:42,090 because he was born under the covenant. 1057 01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:46,370 Oh, OK. So here's my story with that. 1058 01:07:46,810 --> 01:07:53,860 OK, so after my husband was very mad by the way, on that, like, 1059 01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:58,420 that was his son his only child. He's like, wait, what? 1060 01:07:58,940 --> 01:08:02,700 He was like, no, that's the male dominance of the church coming. 1061 01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:05,740 Into play huge right there. And what I'm about to tell you 1062 01:08:05,740 --> 01:08:07,380 is going to totally play on that. 1063 01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:20,460 And it's it's, it's grotesque. So I got divorced from my son's 1064 01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:23,359 mother. And I got custody. 1065 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:27,279 I was awarded in Idaho. It's called primary residential 1066 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,040 custody. And I was awarded child support. 1067 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,880 Didn't see a dime of it. But that's okay. 1068 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,880 So I raised my son on my own. And him and I today are like 1069 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,439 this. He's my buddy. 1070 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,319 I love him to death. And and now he made me a proud 1071 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,399 grandpa. Got two beautiful grandchildren 1072 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:49,279 12 and nine years old. Anyway, so I was getting. 1073 01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:53,370 I got married to my second wife. And we were about to go through 1074 01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:54,569 the. Temple to get. 1075 01:08:54,569 --> 01:08:59,370 Sealed and. Here's the the the. 1076 01:08:59,370 --> 01:09:03,450 Play with the priesthood, with the male dominated church. 1077 01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:07,330 I had to. Send a letter A. 1078 01:09:07,330 --> 01:09:14,130 Certified letter to my exwife informing her that's it. 1079 01:09:14,130 --> 01:09:16,689 It didn't matter if she responded negatively or 1080 01:09:16,689 --> 01:09:20,649 positively informing her. That I was about to get sealed 1081 01:09:20,649 --> 01:09:24,010 to another wife, which the spiritual. 1082 01:09:24,529 --> 01:09:28,050 I would have both of them in. Heaven if I by their new name, 1083 01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:31,689 by my priesthood. Power, I almost said the other 1084 01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:35,250 word that I said earlier before when we were in the meeting by 1085 01:09:35,290 --> 01:09:36,569 my priesthood. Power. 1086 01:09:37,850 --> 01:09:44,010 And anyway if the tables. Were turned and. 1087 01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:47,010 She was still, you know, a member of the church and she. 1088 01:09:47,649 --> 01:09:50,689 Married another man and wanted to get sealed in the temple to 1089 01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:53,770 him and we were still sealed to each other. 1090 01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:57,570 She would have to write. A letter asking. 1091 01:09:57,570 --> 01:10:04,530 Me for my permission and I could deny it and she would not be 1092 01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:10,330 able to get sealed to him now. This happened to me now and but. 1093 01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:14,610 But all I had to do was inform her that I was proceeding on. 1094 01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:17,250 You can have as many wives as you want, yeah. 1095 01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:21,210 Yes, spiritual polygamy So. Even though the church doesn't 1096 01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:24,370 practice it in the flesh, they still practice it. 1097 01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:27,290 One of the presidents of the church Is it the leader of the 1098 01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:29,890 church? What's his name? 1099 01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:33,530 God. I can't remember Russell, 1100 01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:36,310 Russell and Nelson. His wife just died. 1101 01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:39,830 They had a terrible funeral for her where she was cast off to 1102 01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:43,270 the side, not put front and center like all the men are when 1103 01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:48,270 they have their funeral service in the the Conference Center. 1104 01:10:49,150 --> 01:10:53,390 But that her casket was over on the side, and all the men are in 1105 01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:57,310 their red chairs in in the room, and and the Prophet in the 1106 01:10:57,310 --> 01:11:00,120 middle and all that. But the casket was off to the 1107 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,320 side where she where whenever there is someone in leadership, 1108 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,400 whether it be president of the church or one of the apostles or 1109 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,520 the 70 or whatever, that passes away, their casket is right in 1110 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,200 front, like right below the podium. 1111 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,440 Not in this case, not when it's a woman. 1112 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,000 She gets cast off to the side. That's what happened. 1113 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,720 There's pictures of it all over the place. 1114 01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:21,960 So you you mean the Skull and Bones? 1115 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,080 Russell and Nelson? Did you know he's the Skull and 1116 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,600 Bones member? No. 1117 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,760 Google. That's great. 1118 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,960 He wrote a biography before long ago. 1119 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,960 And you know, he's a doctor. And Yep. 1120 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:42,600 And so he Yep, he wrote a biography, and I can't remember 1121 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,360 which, but I know he's a surgeon and so he wrote a biography. 1122 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,800 And now that book is $1300 because they're trying to make 1123 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,360 it so inaccessible because it has this part in there about the 1124 01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:01,660 skull of OI was. Like this is not real but and so 1125 01:12:01,700 --> 01:12:05,180 I I don't know if it was per se at Princeton but he is a part of 1126 01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:09,100 a skull and bone society. So yeah, that was that was done 1127 01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:11,380 eventually scan it that was you on the. 1128 01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:15,140 Internet, it'll be available. Oh, it's. 1129 01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:17,660 You can find it. My friend at work told me about 1130 01:12:17,660 --> 01:12:20,580 it and it was so funny because I I found it right away. 1131 01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:24,060 I was like, there's no way. And there it is. 1132 01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:28,060 I was like, wow, direct quote from his biography. 1133 01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,820 So that's fun. Yeah, that that was the whole 1134 01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:32,780 ordeal. And I I. 1135 01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:36,820 Thought that that really sat wrong with me by the way and I 1136 01:12:36,820 --> 01:12:43,180 want to be clear because I I I believe like we had talked about 1137 01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:48,540 pre show I I love Star Trek because of the equality, all 1138 01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:51,280 races, all genders. Are the same. 1139 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,760 Even the book of the Bible says in God's Kingdom there's either 1140 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,760 Greek nor Jew, nor male, nor female, nor bond nor slave. 1141 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,520 Gender doesn't matter and race doesn't matter in God's side, 1142 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,160 period. So anyway. 1143 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:13,520 But at the time, I felt kind of uncomfortable. 1144 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,040 With knowing that had the tables been reversed, she would have 1145 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,520 had to ask my permission and I could have taken that away from 1146 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,020 her. That's wrong to me. 1147 01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:23,940 Yet she. Could do it. 1148 01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:26,500 I mean, I could get married, I could get sealed in the temple 1149 01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:29,900 again and just inform her. That's all that was required by 1150 01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:34,180 church policy in the Church handbook, and she just had to be 1151 01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:42,140 informed by certified letter Even so, but it that was. 1152 01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:44,660 Just an. Interesting thing. 1153 01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:48,300 Anyway, so one of the some of the things I want to talk about. 1154 01:13:48,730 --> 01:13:53,170 Besides the and and breaking those ocean covenants and and 1155 01:13:53,170 --> 01:13:56,890 putting out my website and and sharing all of the temple 1156 01:13:56,890 --> 01:14:01,170 ceremony out there loud and proud, breaking that night not 1157 01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:03,730 to reveal the ocean covenants of the temple outside of the 1158 01:14:03,730 --> 01:14:10,850 temple, you know my. Home teacher coming over and me 1159 01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:14,610 talking with him about it because I I had concerns and he 1160 01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:18,920 went back and told my Bishop. I was like, we're friends, we're 1161 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,280 believe. It or not, his name's I won't 1162 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,080 give his last name but his first name and we are still friends to 1163 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,280 this day on Facebook is why. It's part of the Navajo Navajo 1164 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,240 Nation. White and delights them and we 1165 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,800 can we can go into the next part of our thing here. 1166 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,800 I'm going to shrink my screen down so I can move my browsers 1167 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,240 to another monitor here. I've got stuff. 1168 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:53,400 Think I can just if you need me to push screen share, I can't as 1169 01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:54,720 well. I think it's already on. 1170 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,600 So yeah, Am I sure? Oh, OK. 1171 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:05,280 Yeah. I'm just using this as reference 1172 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:15,200 honestly, so I think I can close the zoom now. 1173 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:23,980 Oh gosh, we're still on. Yeah, I just OK there, OK. 1174 01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:25,660 Sure. OK. 1175 01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:31,740 So the. The. 1176 01:15:31,780 --> 01:15:35,300 The. Church besides the fact that 1177 01:15:35,340 --> 01:15:36,020 you. Know the Bible. 1178 01:15:36,020 --> 01:15:44,460 Says there's neither bond nor free, nor Jew or Greek, nor Jew, 1179 01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:49,340 male nor female. Basically, that is just one 1180 01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:54,390 instance of. Two particular races and and as 1181 01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:59,670 an example and that it applies to all races. 1182 01:16:00,270 --> 01:16:04,590 You know it could it could say, it could say something else 1183 01:16:04,590 --> 01:16:10,190 besides Greek, nor two it could say you know Spanish or French. 1184 01:16:10,190 --> 01:16:16,310 It could say you know Asian or European. 1185 01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:19,270 I I don't know. But it it doesn't matter that's 1186 01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:24,890 that's the that's the point. And with the the church's 1187 01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:28,170 mindset, I don't know if you're aware, but there were actually 1188 01:16:28,170 --> 01:16:32,370 black people that were baptized into the church under Joseph 1189 01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:37,530 Smith and Nauvoo, and it was more Brigham Young that really 1190 01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:40,490 pushed. I mean, don't get me wrong, 1191 01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:48,410 Joseph Smith said. And this is this can be found on 1192 01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:53,230 the Joseph Smith papers. Website This is a letter that he 1193 01:16:53,230 --> 01:16:57,350 wrote to Oliver Caldary is found in the Messenger and Advocate 1194 01:16:58,190 --> 01:17:03,430 volume to #7 April 191836. I do not believe that the people 1195 01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:07,550 of the North have anymore right to say that the South should not 1196 01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:11,870 hold slaves that the South have have to say the North. 1197 01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:15,790 Shall the first mention we have of slavery is found in the Holy 1198 01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:20,270 Bible as far? And so far from the that 1199 01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:25,910 predication being adverse to the mind of God, if its slavery 1200 01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:30,630 remains as a lasting monument of the decree of Jehovah, to the 1201 01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:33,750 shame and confusion of all who have cried out against the South 1202 01:17:34,110 --> 01:17:38,310 in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in servitude, 1203 01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:41,750 so. That's Joseph Smith. 1204 01:17:43,150 --> 01:17:46,030 I I I kind of get the impression that. 1205 01:17:46,730 --> 01:17:51,810 That was speaking against it. And then also from the Joseph 1206 01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:57,090 Smith Papers and found in the Elders Journal, he said Question 1207 01:17:57,090 --> 01:17:59,330 13. Are the Mormons abolitionists? 1208 01:17:59,930 --> 01:18:04,730 No, unless delivering the people from priests craft and the 1209 01:18:04,730 --> 01:18:09,170 priests from the power of Satan should be considered abolition. 1210 01:18:09,570 --> 01:18:15,530 But we do not believe in setting the Negroes free quote UN quote. 1211 01:18:17,010 --> 01:18:20,090 So that Brigham Young, that was Joseph Smith's deal that was 1212 01:18:20,090 --> 01:18:22,530 from the. That is found online in the 1213 01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:29,210 Joseph Smith Papers, now Brigham Young, he said. 1214 01:18:29,650 --> 01:18:32,530 When all the children of. Adam have had the privilege of 1215 01:18:32,530 --> 01:18:35,770 receiving the priesthood and coming out, coming into the 1216 01:18:35,770 --> 01:18:38,530 Kingdom of God and being redeemed from the four quarters 1217 01:18:38,530 --> 01:18:41,050 of the earth, and have received their resurrection from the 1218 01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:42,930 dead. Then it will be time enough to 1219 01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:45,370 remove the curse from Cain and his posterity. 1220 01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:49,310 You must. And also that was from the 1221 01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:52,790 journal Discourses volume to which you can find on my website 1222 01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:58,830 under the TLC link at the top under their library that is 1223 01:18:58,830 --> 01:19:03,030 included on my website not not available online anymore. 1224 01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:06,390 The the TLC website. The True and Living Church of 1225 01:19:07,470 --> 01:19:10,190 The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the 1226 01:19:10,190 --> 01:19:14,390 Last Days. It is a spinoff group in Manti 1227 01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:16,350 UT. Fundamentalist group. 1228 01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:19,950 They are polygamists. And they believe that after 1229 01:19:19,950 --> 01:19:26,110 1890, right around then, the church lost the truth because 1230 01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:29,590 that's when they were able to gain statehood, because they 1231 01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:33,390 denounced polygamy publicly. But we know they didn't denounce 1232 01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:36,750 it completely, and now they still practice spiritual 1233 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:38,910 polygamy. Even though they don't do it in 1234 01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:42,390 the flesh anymore, in fact you'll be excommunicated if you 1235 01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:47,490 do it in the flesh so. But Brigham Young said in the 1236 01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:51,330 Journal of Mormon Thought Spring of I'm sorry, wait a minute. 1237 01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:57,530 In the New York Herald, May 4th, 1855, as cited in Dialogue a 1238 01:19:57,530 --> 01:20:02,650 Mormon Journal Thought Spring of 1973, it says you must not think 1239 01:20:02,650 --> 01:20:05,570 from what I say, that I am opposed to slavery. 1240 01:20:05,610 --> 01:20:08,010 No. The Negro is damned and is to 1241 01:20:08,010 --> 01:20:11,170 serve his master till God chooses to remove the curse of 1242 01:20:11,170 --> 01:20:18,720 hell again, he said also in. Prophet Brigham Young, Brigham 1243 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,240 Young. Address February the 5th, 1852 1244 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,760 from the LDS Historical dot department online. 1245 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:30,400 There's a Anyway, the moment, the moment we consent to mingle 1246 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:35,160 with the seat of cane, the church must go to destruction. 1247 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,920 We should receive the curse. We should receive the curse 1248 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,120 which has been placed upon the seat of cane, and never more be 1249 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,980 numbered. With the children of Adam who 1250 01:20:45,980 --> 01:20:49,620 are the heirs to the priesthood until that curse be removed. 1251 01:20:50,060 --> 01:20:53,780 He also made a statement, and I, I I won't go into it too much, 1252 01:20:53,780 --> 01:20:58,460 but he also meant made a statement about if we if we 1253 01:21:00,460 --> 01:21:04,940 mingle with the seed of Cain. Meaning black people. 1254 01:21:05,980 --> 01:21:09,060 As taught by the Mormon Church that they are cursed with a 1255 01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:13,740 black skin and a flat nose. If we mingle and marry into or 1256 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:18,500 have children together that it would be death on the spot and 1257 01:21:19,260 --> 01:21:23,660 that comes into blood atonement. Because there are some sins that 1258 01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:25,820 are cannot be forgiven under the blood of Christ. 1259 01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:30,380 That your own blood must be spilled to pay for that sin, 1260 01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:36,070 murder, and adultery. And this was considered because 1261 01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:39,390 he said it definitely and leaving the church or? 1262 01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:42,310 Telling the secret. That was a great. 1263 01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:45,910 That was done way. Back in the day by. 1264 01:21:46,590 --> 01:21:49,590 Hollywood was the avenging Angel. 1265 01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:54,830 Oh gosh, such a good movie. Here's some food for thought. 1266 01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:59,390 There you go. Oh, wow. 1267 01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:07,130 Yeah, this is written by John J. Stewart, notice the middle 1268 01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:10,050 initials in there. A sermon published by the 1269 01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:14,410 request of an explanation of Latter Day Saints Church 1270 01:22:14,690 --> 01:22:19,730 doctrine regarding the Negro and those of Negroid blood That's 1271 01:22:19,730 --> 01:22:26,330 just on the inside of the cover. The the inset, and what this 1272 01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:28,050 was. When was this around? 1273 01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:32,010 Like around segregation time or? This one before. 1274 01:22:32,650 --> 01:22:40,930 Published it really set set me off because my. 1275 01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:46,410 Brother actually married a black lady and so this really upset me 1276 01:22:46,810 --> 01:22:51,130 because my niece was black. This is the 9th printing 1960. 7 1277 01:22:51,130 --> 01:22:57,690 copyright 1960 This is the 9th printing of this disgusting 1278 01:22:57,770 --> 01:23:06,340 book. Yeah, I always knew somebody. 1279 01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:09,700 Asked me on the last podcast it was the white Rabbit. 1280 01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:17,420 Asked me so were you a racist and and like kind of a upheld in 1281 01:23:17,420 --> 01:23:20,620 racism by your church And I I said you know what I always knew 1282 01:23:20,620 --> 01:23:24,620 it wasn't it wasn't true. I I grew up in Pocatello around 1283 01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:26,620 a lot of Native American tribes and. 1284 01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,600 So I knew from a young age that God, there was no way that God 1285 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,560 made these little babies and kids like some curse. 1286 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,600 Like I knew it was BSI called BSI used to torture my grandpa 1287 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,840 about it and say, do you want me? 1288 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,720 I never did I. Only I got. 1289 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,760 I got more into it when I was here because I was just a little 1290 01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,600 kid there. But we moved here when back to 1291 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:55,960 Utah when I was about 12. So here's another one. 1292 01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:56,200 Yeah. Wow. 1293 01:23:58,270 --> 01:24:00,710 And and they, I'm sure they denounce it all. 1294 01:24:00,710 --> 01:24:05,510 It it amazes me this if they want to criticize the Bible and 1295 01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:09,590 say it's only correct in as far as it was translated, how come 1296 01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:12,070 they keep changing their own temple ceremonies? 1297 01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:14,670 How can they keep changing their own books? 1298 01:24:14,910 --> 01:24:16,790 How can they keep changing their own things? 1299 01:24:17,950 --> 01:24:22,670 Yes, so the men that. Run the church, all them old 1300 01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:27,390 farts that run the church. Including that conversation with 1301 01:24:27,390 --> 01:24:31,950 that interviewer. Who's interviewing the guy 1302 01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:35,390 that's dying, getting like he's got bad health issues right now? 1303 01:24:39,190 --> 01:24:42,430 He was at his desk. In this in this video, and he's 1304 01:24:42,430 --> 01:24:49,110 being interviewed by the press and he it is talking about why 1305 01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:50,590 is anything coming to me right now. 1306 01:24:51,230 --> 01:24:53,830 Well, you know why we're trying to stay? 1307 01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:55,980 True. And that's what happened. 1308 01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:59,900 I ran for president. Oh Romney. 1309 01:25:00,180 --> 01:25:01,020 Romney. Mitt. 1310 01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:02,540 Romney. Yes, yes. 1311 01:25:03,260 --> 01:25:07,060 So he's interviewing the lead. This prophet or president and 1312 01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:09,940 whatever it is of the church, is it Faust? 1313 01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:15,340 James E Faust. And he's talking about what Mitt 1314 01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:18,980 Romney covenanted to in the temple when Mitt Romney first 1315 01:25:18,980 --> 01:25:21,660 went through, including all of that. 1316 01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:27,830 And and and then at first he deny it wasn't Faust. 1317 01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:32,750 I met Faust in person in Sizzler restaurant in Provo in Salt Lake 1318 01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:34,430 City. Actually not Provo. 1319 01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:37,990 I have a picture. I have a picture with my family, 1320 01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:42,750 my my third wife, my son, my mother and Faust and me. 1321 01:25:43,950 --> 01:25:49,070 Anyway, he denied it at first that Oh no, no, he didn't do 1322 01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:50,870 that. And then he said, wait a minute. 1323 01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:54,580 This was this was something that he done. 1324 01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:56,500 In the temple, that isn't any longer, right? 1325 01:25:56,700 --> 01:26:00,340 And he said, yeah, so then he did go through and then he 1326 01:26:00,340 --> 01:26:04,140 finally admits it and he's caught in a lie on film, on 1327 01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:10,060 camera that he he at first tried to deny that Mitt Romney did 1328 01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:13,220 those kind of oats. And yeah, everybody did. 1329 01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:18,780 Yeah, so with all of that. Said and. 1330 01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:23,270 The blacks not receiving the priesthood until 1978. 1331 01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:29,150 How many people in the Mormon Church today are still walking 1332 01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:34,950 in this teaching that says that they are the seed of Cain and 1333 01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:37,790 they are cursed? And that they did bloody oaths 1334 01:26:37,790 --> 01:26:39,790 in the temple. How many people are still 1335 01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:42,230 walking around today with that mindset? 1336 01:26:42,430 --> 01:26:45,230 Having taken those specific covenants and oaths in the 1337 01:26:45,230 --> 01:26:49,230 temple and believing that the black people are the the, the 1338 01:26:49,390 --> 01:26:53,590 they are cursed, and if you mixed the cane, you're doomed. 1339 01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:57,830 You're death on the spot. It's disgusting when you think 1340 01:26:57,830 --> 01:27:03,310 about it and to think. That on that date during 1341 01:27:03,310 --> 01:27:04,950 general. Conference, are you? 1342 01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:08,890 What are you doing? Look up here on that date during 1343 01:27:08,890 --> 01:27:12,050 general conference. It disappeared. 1344 01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:14,050 There you go on the recording of the cassette. 1345 01:27:14,050 --> 01:27:21,010 Tapes that I have here. Conference of October. 78 of 1346 01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:25,850 When they announced that all worthy males are allowed to hold 1347 01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:30,770 the priesthood, they're starting finally. 1348 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,560 That these these people. Are nasty. 1349 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,880 They're dirty. They aren't worthy in God's 1350 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,440 eyes, but we had to give it to him because, you know, peer 1351 01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:44,880 pressure and yeah, anyway, and that was the way he. 1352 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,200 Felt More Doctrine with by Bruce R Mcconkey. 1353 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,800 And look up pain in here and look up Catholic the whore of 1354 01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,640 Babylon, the, the and and and how they don't persecute. 1355 01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,680 Why are you persecuting us? We don't persecute other 1356 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,320 religions. All churches are an abomination. 1357 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,210 First Vision. Let's go back to that. 1358 01:28:03,770 --> 01:28:06,170 You know, all churches are an abomination. 1359 01:28:06,170 --> 01:28:08,130 They come close to me with their heart, but they are far from me 1360 01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:10,530 with no they come close to me with their mind, their mouths, 1361 01:28:10,730 --> 01:28:12,290 but they are far from me with their hearts. 1362 01:28:12,930 --> 01:28:16,490 Something to that effect, you know and and and you know the 1363 01:28:17,050 --> 01:28:20,570 the mind washing, the brain washing that happened for you as 1364 01:28:20,570 --> 01:28:25,650 a child as this. They don't have. 1365 01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:28,730 Christians, beware. Mormon Church does not. 1366 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,760 Have the song Amazing Grace in their hymnal. 1367 01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,600 They don't have the song, the old rugged cross in their hymnal 1368 01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:41,000 because they focus more on Gethsemane, where where Jesus 1369 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,440 took upon him the sins of the world, all of the things that 1370 01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:48,760 happened in the Old Testament. Were a shadow of things to be 1371 01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:53,000 fulfilled in the New Testament, in the Old Testament they would 1372 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,840 go, and they would take the lamb, and they would place their 1373 01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,730 hands on the head of the lamb. And transfer their sin to the 1374 01:29:00,730 --> 01:29:05,810 lamb that was to be slaughtered and and that lamb would die with 1375 01:29:05,810 --> 01:29:11,170 their sins upon it. Jesus took our sins upon him. 1376 01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:14,210 In the Garden of Eden. But then he died with those 1377 01:29:14,210 --> 01:29:15,770 sins. He was slaughtered. 1378 01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:18,290 The lamb to the slaughter. How dare they say Joseph Smith 1379 01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:21,490 was a lamb to the slaughter when he had his pepper box 6 shooter 1380 01:29:21,610 --> 01:29:25,290 pistol in his hands. You cannot be a martyr or a or a 1381 01:29:25,330 --> 01:29:28,570 lamb to the slaughter if you are shooting back and defending 1382 01:29:28,570 --> 01:29:29,530 yourself. I get it. 1383 01:29:29,530 --> 01:29:32,210 If he wasn't defending himself and by all rights he had every 1384 01:29:32,210 --> 01:29:36,170 reason to defend himself. I understand well the fact, 1385 01:29:36,170 --> 01:29:38,450 besides the fact that he was convicted criminal. 1386 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,680 Convicted criminal you shouldn't have a gun in. 1387 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,160 You know, It's like giving him the file in the cake, you know? 1388 01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,800 But anyway, they stuck in the gun. 1389 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,680 He had a gun. He wasn't a lamb to the 1390 01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,480 slaughter. But anyway, our sin was 1391 01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:57,880 transferred to Jesus and then he was slaughtered or slain with 1392 01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:02,880 our sins upon him. And if that final part didn't 1393 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,360 happen, it wouldn't have been complete. 1394 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,100 It is. It is done. 1395 01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:13,500 And and the Mormon Church, it's. Not done. 1396 01:30:13,700 --> 01:30:17,700 There is not much work to do well and they make sure that 1397 01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:21,620 there's. Man in between anything that we 1398 01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:26,500 want for grace, There's no grace given without a cost. 1399 01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:29,700 So you have to go through all like you were telling me about, 1400 01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:32,660 I had to go through one of those council things and. 1401 01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:36,150 Like you have to go to the Bishop, and then the Bishop 1402 01:30:36,150 --> 01:30:38,710 decides if it's bad enough and it goes and it goes, and 1403 01:30:38,710 --> 01:30:41,870 whatever you do, it isn't between you and God, it's 1404 01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:47,270 between you and a man. Then upwards from there it could 1405 01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:50,150 be between you and the whole church, depending on how vile 1406 01:30:50,150 --> 01:30:52,070 your problem was. Whatever that was. 1407 01:30:52,110 --> 01:30:54,870 I'll never forget. I'll never forget when I left. 1408 01:30:57,990 --> 01:31:01,710 I wrote my letter and I wrote it on May 3rd. 1409 01:31:01,870 --> 01:31:04,140 It was dated. It's on my website. 1410 01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:08,340 I wrote my letter on May 3rd, 1998 and I mailed out three 1411 01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:13,700 copies and one was addressed to the Bishop, one was addressed to 1412 01:31:13,700 --> 01:31:16,980 the state president, and one was addressed to church headquarters 1413 01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:23,660 in Salt Lake City and the the church was the first to respond. 1414 01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:27,260 Church headquarters was the first to respond, but they told 1415 01:31:27,260 --> 01:31:30,940 me that it had to be handled at the local level and so. 1416 01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:38,880 I then got a letter that told me that I was invited to a church 1417 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,880 disciplinary council. That I was not allowed to bring 1418 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,920 a recording device of any kind into the meeting. 1419 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,800 I could bring witnesses on my behalf. 1420 01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,960 So I'm going to a courtroom. I'm guilty and I'm. 1421 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,880 I'm having to defend myself down. 1422 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,720 That's what this is. The letter, and you'll see it if 1423 01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,920 you look at them on on my documents there. 1424 01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:07,560 The letter invited me to have my my church disciplinary council 1425 01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:16,000 on June 14th at 7:00 AM in the morning, June 14th, my birthday. 1426 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,880 You're not going to do it, Yeah. Oh, flipping dare you, you know. 1427 01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,120 I'll use a good Mormon curse word there flipping. 1428 01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,600 So did I go? No, because when I let go of 1429 01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:37,440 those 3 letters into the blue mailbox, I can't explain to you. 1430 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:44,160 In words fully the feeling that came over me. 1431 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:51,320 His yoke is light, his yoke is light, and the yoke of Mormonism 1432 01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:52,560 is not light. It's very. 1433 01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,600 Heavy and heat that is on you as a Mormon. 1434 01:32:57,210 --> 01:32:59,130 It controls every aspect of your life. 1435 01:32:59,130 --> 01:33:01,930 Like I was talking about the garments with when you wear them 1436 01:33:01,930 --> 01:33:05,290 and how you wear them and where you don't wear them and to not 1437 01:33:05,290 --> 01:33:09,130 drinking coffee or tea. Is is is post them okay. 1438 01:33:09,450 --> 01:33:13,530 Yeah but it might give you the poops and no. 1439 01:33:13,530 --> 01:33:17,130 And is Coco okay. I don't know it's a hot drink 1440 01:33:17,850 --> 01:33:20,930 and and you know the R rated movie. 1441 01:33:21,090 --> 01:33:23,010 Oh, I don't know. Make this PG-13. 1442 01:33:23,010 --> 01:33:26,130 Is it Okay. And I mean every decision of 1443 01:33:26,130 --> 01:33:28,370 your life. In the Word of Wisdom it says 1444 01:33:28,370 --> 01:33:30,650 that you should also abstain from me except in times of 1445 01:33:30,650 --> 01:33:34,050 famine and eat it sparingly. But the Mormons don't do that. 1446 01:33:34,050 --> 01:33:39,690 It's at every buffet or or you know so we pick and choose what 1447 01:33:39,690 --> 01:33:42,770 what what we want to apply to our members from the word of 1448 01:33:42,770 --> 01:33:48,890 wisdom even though it encompasses so much more and it 1449 01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:54,210 just it just it there's there's so much for you to prove and and 1450 01:33:54,450 --> 01:34:01,460 the the thing with perfection. And then it's just never enough. 1451 01:34:01,740 --> 01:34:04,220 It's like. And if you look at it, they're 1452 01:34:04,220 --> 01:34:06,500 the most, some of the most, not all. 1453 01:34:06,620 --> 01:34:11,260 And I don't have the stats on it, but many of the Mormon 1454 01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:16,060 people never feel good enough. They're highly on antidepression 1455 01:34:16,060 --> 01:34:18,860 pills. They often times have opioid 1456 01:34:18,860 --> 01:34:21,780 issues. They have huge porn issues. 1457 01:34:22,210 --> 01:34:24,970 And I know this because I'm a nurse that works in behavioral 1458 01:34:24,970 --> 01:34:27,570 health in the middle of the Mecca of Utah. 1459 01:34:28,210 --> 01:34:32,970 So I see, yeah. Exactly. 1460 01:34:33,170 --> 01:34:35,370 Exactly. They had to put a stop. 1461 01:34:36,730 --> 01:34:39,610 Yeah, they had to put a. Stop to it somehow, because 1462 01:34:39,610 --> 01:34:41,410 nobody. Was listening on that one, I 1463 01:34:41,410 --> 01:34:43,530 guess. But I mean, and some of the 1464 01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:46,690 stuff they know that's wrong, like either they're really 1465 01:34:46,690 --> 01:34:49,090 legalistic and they completely do. 1466 01:34:49,630 --> 01:34:53,030 It to the weirdest letter or they'll try and manipulate it 1467 01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:54,510 somehow. They're some of the most 1468 01:34:54,510 --> 01:34:57,310 manipulative people I've ever been around when they're 1469 01:34:57,870 --> 01:35:01,030 encompassed not the normal people. 1470 01:35:01,470 --> 01:35:04,510 I'm not talking about the normal family next door. 1471 01:35:04,510 --> 01:35:06,790 That's sweet and nice. I'm talking about people at a 1472 01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:09,870 higher level in the church, right? 1473 01:35:10,030 --> 01:35:13,350 Right and and again. Those people at that higher 1474 01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:17,550 level of the church are all under that old mindset and and 1475 01:35:17,550 --> 01:35:19,980 we're just. He flipped the switch on October 1476 01:35:20,220 --> 01:35:24,260 1978, and that all went away and our mindset completely changed. 1477 01:35:24,460 --> 01:35:27,260 Our perspective towards a whole race of people completely 1478 01:35:27,260 --> 01:35:29,020 changed. And it, and we don't want to 1479 01:35:29,020 --> 01:35:33,420 leave out is very important. We don't leave out here the fact 1480 01:35:33,420 --> 01:35:38,060 that the Book of Mormon still teaches today, today in the Book 1481 01:35:38,060 --> 01:35:39,900 of Mormon, the most correct book on earth. 1482 01:35:40,140 --> 01:35:43,500 And a man can get closer by abiding by its precept than any 1483 01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:46,180 other book, because the Bible is only good as far as it is 1484 01:35:46,180 --> 01:35:51,180 translated correctly. But second, Nephi 521 through 23 1485 01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:55,460 and I'm going to read it. It's an entirety forgive me and 1486 01:35:55,460 --> 01:35:58,620 and I my reading skills are sometimes when I'm nervous like 1487 01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:02,540 this, forgive me. And he had caused the cursing to 1488 01:36:02,540 --> 01:36:04,980 come upon them. Yeah, even a sore cursing 1489 01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:08,540 because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened 1490 01:36:08,540 --> 01:36:12,020 their hearts against him, that they had become likened to 1491 01:36:12,020 --> 01:36:13,380 Flint. Wherefore. 1492 01:36:13,780 --> 01:36:16,100 As they were white, and exceedingly fair and 1493 01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:21,860 delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the 1494 01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:26,220 the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them, and 1495 01:36:26,220 --> 01:36:29,700 thus say it, the Lord I will cause, that they shall be 1496 01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:36,060 loathsome unto thy people, save shall save they shall repent of 1497 01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:39,850 their inequities. And cursed shall that shall be 1498 01:36:39,850 --> 01:36:44,410 the seed of him that mixes there with their seed, for they shall 1499 01:36:44,410 --> 01:36:47,010 be cursed even with the same cursing. 1500 01:36:47,330 --> 01:36:50,050 And the Lord spake it, and it was done. 1501 01:36:50,970 --> 01:36:54,330 This is talking about the Native Americans up until recently. 1502 01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:59,050 The recent change in the Book of Mormon edition said that the 1503 01:36:59,330 --> 01:37:03,770 American Indians or Native Americans or indigenous people. 1504 01:37:04,980 --> 01:37:08,660 Of I would assume because of the imagery that has been shoved 1505 01:37:08,660 --> 01:37:12,420 down our throats about the Book of Mormon, North America, 1506 01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:15,260 Central America and South America with the the the ruins, 1507 01:37:15,260 --> 01:37:17,620 the Aztec and Maya ruins. With Jesus standing there in 1508 01:37:17,620 --> 01:37:22,060 front of in front of the temple that is in the Aztec and Mayan 1509 01:37:22,060 --> 01:37:26,900 cultures pretending that that is supposed to be the Prince of all 1510 01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:32,140 of the north-south, Central. Native people are supposed to be 1511 01:37:32,140 --> 01:37:36,000 the principal. Ancestors of the Native 1512 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:41,400 Americans we know today. Yet after DNA, mitochondrial DNA 1513 01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:45,480 testing, it comes to find out that there's not one drop of 1514 01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:49,880 Israelite blood in any of them, that they actually have more 1515 01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,240 like blood from Syria. They came over the land bridge 1516 01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:59,720 and and they're not Israelites. And you know, they they they 1517 01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:04,260 teach that it was Jared. Who came over on the boat 1st 1518 01:38:04,940 --> 01:38:09,140 and then father. Father Lehigh you know came with 1519 01:38:09,140 --> 01:38:13,140 his son and his family and of those two two of the sons were 1520 01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:18,940 Lehigh and Layman and they fought like brothers do and but 1521 01:38:19,180 --> 01:38:23,940 Layman was a a scoundrel and didn't want to be right with God 1522 01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:30,140 and didn't want to be righteous and and and Nephi was just. 1523 01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:32,970 Little whipped puppy dog that did everything he was supposed 1524 01:38:32,970 --> 01:38:39,210 to do and he was the holier than thou one and and and basically 1525 01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:45,690 that's when God did this he put this curse because layman the 1526 01:38:45,690 --> 01:38:48,490 whole Cain and Abel story is repeated in the Book of Mormon 1527 01:38:48,490 --> 01:38:51,130 with new names and new faces. It's so fun. 1528 01:38:52,010 --> 01:38:57,210 So basically, Layman was it? Was it? 1529 01:38:57,610 --> 01:39:02,450 Did did Layman try to kill? 25 Yeah, And I think they. 1530 01:39:02,490 --> 01:39:04,330 Both went against. They both went. 1531 01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:07,170 Against him, right layman? And I know there was the 1532 01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:11,530 sacrifice that was made. Also, and I don't know, I get 1533 01:39:11,530 --> 01:39:14,970 the stories confused and I remember now I try to block it 1534 01:39:14,970 --> 01:39:16,330 out. I have PTSD. 1535 01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:19,930 Yeah, so. Me too. 1536 01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:21,970 And that's. I can't let comment and that's 1537 01:39:21,970 --> 01:39:26,690 why I've reignited my website nowmoreaction.com that used to 1538 01:39:26,690 --> 01:39:29,940 be helping mormons.org. But it's still the same website. 1539 01:39:29,940 --> 01:39:34,180 I was actually able to import my entire old website from the 1540 01:39:34,180 --> 01:39:39,420 Internet Archive and found a that would actually still work 1541 01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:47,420 with Microsoft Front page 2000 and I can use a FTP program to 1542 01:39:47,780 --> 01:39:52,660 FileZilla to transfer and upload my site and change things and 1543 01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:54,930 add. YouTube videos and all of that. 1544 01:39:55,170 --> 01:39:56,650 I'll have to. I'll have to get some of yours 1545 01:39:56,650 --> 01:39:59,490 on there. So I have a I have a. 1546 01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:04,610 Testimony page where it's. Experts who are now Christian 1547 01:40:04,690 --> 01:40:10,770 and sharing their story and it's beautiful and but regardless of 1548 01:40:10,770 --> 01:40:18,810 all that so these they the the knee fights were basically all 1549 01:40:18,810 --> 01:40:24,380 killed out by the Lamanites any the the the the family of layman 1550 01:40:25,260 --> 01:40:30,180 grew and grew and grew and became the layman Knights and 1551 01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:35,020 the knee the family the Nephi Nephi and his family grew and 1552 01:40:35,020 --> 01:40:38,540 grew and grew and they became the knee fights and so basically 1553 01:40:38,540 --> 01:40:42,540 they were at war with each other because one was terrible and 1554 01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:47,090 mean and ugly and the other one was great fantastic and 1555 01:40:47,090 --> 01:40:52,330 beautiful and and delights them even and and they were at war 1556 01:40:52,330 --> 01:40:55,130 with each other and eventually the Lamanites killed all the 1557 01:40:55,130 --> 01:41:01,010 Nephites except for one Moroni who took the gold plates to New 1558 01:41:01,010 --> 01:41:05,090 York State somehow somehow all that. 1559 01:41:05,410 --> 01:41:09,210 Way he carried them all that way Smith's backyard let's. 1560 01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:23,130 See start. 40.