What the? Hell, you're feeling a bit like
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Aren't you ashamed? No, I'm not.
You think you are, lady? You take the blue pill, the
story ends. You wake up in your bed and
believe whatever you want. You take the red pill, You stay
in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I think I'm entitled. You want answers?
What? The truth?
You can't handle the truth. I'm awake.
Are you? Let's go now to our new episode
of The Unfiltered Rise with Me, Heidi Love.
In this episode, I got Heidi with me, and she will be, I
guess, explaining her escape from Mormonism in a sense, which
I'm very, very excited to have on.
I mean, I think my listeners already know.
I love talking about Mormonism and my opinion before we get
into it. It's just I I think obviously my
listeners already know, but my opinion with Mormonism is that a
cultism may be at the root of it, you know, I think I think
that's a huge possibility. So that is kind of one of the
reasons why I'm very intrigued by Mormonism and I am also lucky
enough to have the one and only Teresa from Spiritual Gangsters
Co hosting with me. What is UP TI?
Have a new one. That's I like it.
Yeah, we all, like, try to think of like new intros for.
Yeah, you have to do the hand sign.
You have to be like T, right? Yeah, I'm gonna do that.
Yeah, yeah, you did it wrong. I know just.
I'm not. I'm not that.
No, no, he did it wrong. He didn't do it.
He did it. Good.
That's funny. You know, my my ghetto side I'm
getting yeah, what's up? From I'm from the trailer park.
Ghetto is fine. It works.
Yeah, I grew up there. I grew up there.
So all right, I'm happy. I'm excited to be here.
I'm from the Unfiltered Rise podcast.
I'm newer. But I think I have a lot to say,
which is why I ended up in podcasting on it.
A total accident. I am not.
Well, I am now. I was not a podcaster.
I actually just took some pictures and sent them to one of
my favorite podcasters, which was Josh Monday and Jason at the
Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Show.
And I said, hey, I saw this at a high school and it's and it's a
famous high school. It's the.
High school. They filmed the High School
Musical at in in Salt Lake City and it's ironically right down
from the temple anime Sonic Lodge.
But we'll get into that no another day.
So anyways, there's this huge mural on the wall and I was
like, oh, this is creepy and culty and weird.
So I sent it to him and I just said this is what's up.
And he's like, OK, Isaac Weisop Jr. like you broke that down.
Crazy. Like why don't you just come on
the show and talk about it? And I was like because.
I'm not a podcaster. And he's like, well, I don't
live in Utah and I don't know a whole lot about Mormons.
So now you are. And I was like, whoa, He's like,
just do a show, you know? So, OK, so I did.
And I went on and just thought it was a one and done.
I I had my son's little puzzle light, like and like a phone and
that. I think that was oh, and my
earphones. Yeah.
And so we made it through that one.
And then he said, oh, you were Mormon.
I love to talk about Mormons. So like, we went on, did a
Mormon show, and then we went on again did another Mormon show.
So yeah, I think I noticed that on your podcast when I checked
out your podcast. So the Josh Monday episode was
like, you were the guest actually, right?
Yes yes. And so he he just said I want
you to know something cuz cuz I know you don't really wanna like
do do this, but like. You had a whole bunch of hits on
this like a lot. And he's like, I think maybe you
should tell your story because maybe you can help people.
Well, he hit me in the in the nurse fields because like that's
what I do, right? I help people.
Like that's my whole I'm very grace driven, mercy motivated
person. And I started thinking about it
and I was like, Dang, and do you ever wonder real quick?
Do you ever wonder if that came due to being woman?
Actually, that was totally my family.
I can. I can go there.
Well, could that even be an influence from being Mormon?
Cuz that's, you know, the whole thing of, like, you're always
there to pamper somebody. Well, and there's only so many
actually acceptable working jobs that you can do outside of your
home as a Mormon, and nursing is one.
I mean, they're not gonna tell you that.
They're not gonna say that to you.
They're just gonna look at you wrong every time you.
Yeah, I had actually. I think what I I could be wrong,
but I think I had heard because of that with the jobs and like
women, I guess, like in romanism, where there's only
certain acceptable jobs. That's why Mlms have become big.
Yeah, yeah, because they don't even gotta leave the house now.
I don't know that. And they're legal in Utah.
Yep, you have to. You have to stay.
Well, you don't, okay. Listen, they don't bring out
some doctrine that says you have to stay home, Okay.
I don't want to misrepresent anything because I want to be
truthful. They strongly encourage you that
your job is in the home because that that's like it's very a
patriarchal, like, you know thing.
They're like the men are the men, the women, there's roles.
And so I always kind of missed it like because.
I took care of everyone, even as a kid.
And I'm like, yeah, the dad at my house sucked, so I don't
think so, you know, like and so I was always different and it
and I felt it, you know, I I felt that hard.
But so growing up, if you don't fit the stereotypical mold, if
you're not stereotypical wife, if you're not the perfect
person, whatever whatever it becomes, there's not shunning
per se until later. They're not quite like Jehovah's
Witnesses that way. But there is definitely look
looking down like oh, she doesn't do this or oh, if you
haven't been to the temple, you you don't have the special
underwear. So you're not as good as I am.
So you know, and then it it becomes very materialistic to be
quite honest. And we'll get there too.
But it's very being in the Mormon Church is like being on
the Kardashians, but really, really moral.
So. God, I love that.
I'm like, what did she wear to church?
Oh my God, she bought a dress with no shoulders.
And yeah, it's a whole big deal. So you know what I have found
interesting? Whenever I have seen like Mormon
families, like on TV or like on reality TV, they got fucking
money. Oh yeah, well, it is the richest
church for a reason, but I don't think it is as much because of
church influence. It's because of Masonic.
Type crap where they all help each other out.
So it's just like the Masons, they all help each other out.
They know those handshakes, by the way.
We have them too. We're missing two of them, but
we have those handshakes. I'll get into that.
But yeah, we they all help each other out, you know that's what
it is. If you're if you're good enough,
if you give enough money, if you're if there's a lot of ifs
involved. So better mind your P's and q's
and not have any coffee. So if you if you don't if you
don't mind maybe I'm give the listeners a little bit of a just
an idea I I you might have mentioned it already I know we
spoke about it beforehand you were born into Mormonism so I
think that's a difference if you could just like also just I
guess give people just a basic idea of like you know I guess
how long you were in. It I was in, oh, I was in.
OK, so I was born into it. However, my parents were what we
like to call Jack Mormon, and I forget like.
It's kind of funny because I become the Mormon expert.
And I I told Josh, I'm like, oh, I'm not an expert.
He's like, uh, like, yes, you are.
You know, a lot of stuff like, but in Utah, it's not.
It's like everyone knows the stuff.
So Jack, Mormons are something we call people that go to church
once in a great while, like Christmas, maybe Easter.
We were laughing about that. It's just like, they just don't
go, but they kind of live it. But I'll tell you what, I've had
some arguments with Jack Mormons and.
They almost have a stronger testimony than the people that
are there every day of the week because they're like, they will
fight you to the death. And I'm like, you don't even go.
You're smoking a cigarette and having a coffee.
What are you talking about? And they're like, blah, blah,
blah. I don't know if it's because
they feel bad or. But yeah, my husband always
laughs about that. He's like, you're going to argue
with somebody that's never going to back down.
It'll be a Jack Mormon, so. I was born into it.
I was blessed into it. You get blessed as a baby, kind
of like the Catholics do the little baptism for their babies.
We do a blessing. We don't do any water baptizing.
We just get a name that the men all stand up in a circle and put
the baby in the middle and they all raise their hands to the
square and put put it on each other's shoulders and do a
priesthood blessing. And you can't be in the circle
unless you're a melchized priesthood holder.
So I was blessed into it, and then at 8 years old I was
baptized. And I was pretty much active my
whole life, even though my parents weren't, because I had
some really nice neighbors. Now that's one thing I want to
say before we get too deep is that Mormon people are awesome.
Most of them. They're nice people.
It's the same thing. It's the same thing.
And I I purposes myself and I've said it before, even on my own
shows, even. I'm talking about like even
people in the OTO or the Masons. Yeah, for the most part, they're
actually not like the thing, the people that are involved with
making this world, right. That's nothing.
They have nothing to do with them.
And the Masons are encouraged to be good to their brother and and
help people. And they have like charities and
you know, I mean they're encouraged to help their fellow
man. I've checked into it like it's
very. It's very similar like that, but
like the normal person just going to church.
I didn't know a lot of this stuff until I was out.
So like, you go backwards and start wondering.
My whole thing was I want to know what the hell happened to
me in the temple because I knew it was weird and I was like, OK,
that's not good. So at 17, long story I did
seminary my whole I graduated from seminary, so I did four
years of. Seminary teaching of Mormon
teaching. We go to school and we take one
period out, either before school, in school or after
school to do. It's like catechism and we just
go for four years and learn everything about the church.
Then the boys go on a mission as soon as they graduate, usually
about 19. They go for two years.
They dedicate their life. They pay for those missions, by
the way. No, that's a whole big thing.
They have to pay. They set a certain amount.
So like if some kid goes to Japan, he still pays the same
amount as a kid in Iowa. OK, Like, it's not, it's not
terrible. I think the church does move the
money around a little, but. Not probably as much as what.
I'm sure they own all the properties.
I'm sure they're making money. I I don't even want to go there
because that would that will be all the whole episode.
But so that happens to them and they can't date.
They can't talk to women like other than without a companion.
They talk to their families. It used to only be on Christmas
and Mother's Day but they had to change it because too many
people were having mental breakdown.
Go figure, send a little kid out into the world.
That's not, like ever been away from his parents.
And then they have to be with their companion everywhere they
go. So, like, except the bathroom
and they go through the temple and they have their little
stuff. And then they they go and teach
new members. They're the door knockers, like
the Jehovah's Witnesses. So they do that for two years.
Girls can go, but they can't go till they're 21.
So they really strongly encourage us to get married.
That's why we can't go till we're 21.
They won't tell you that. They won't say you can't go
till. They just say, oh, that's just
because. We all know what it's for.
So at 17, like every good Mormon girl, I got married.
I was a childhood bride. I wasn't graduated high school.
My parents had to sign for me and he was 25.
Yes, we get to choose our own husbands.
No, we're not pushed in anything.
My grandpa was just a little crazy about like, he found out
we were messing around and he was like, well, 25 year old man,
you can marry my daughter or you can go to prison.
He was mad. He was so mad.
But we were already like. Into it.
We we liked each other and it was fine at the time.
Now I'm like, stupidest. I mean, it was senior prom and
I'm getting married. Yeah, so good.
Like dumbest decision I ever made.
Oh, my gosh. And if I, if I didn't have my
beautiful children from him, literally because I was like, so
such a messed up person because of my family, that I was like,
oh, he's bipolar. It's fine.
He's bipolar. He takes his pills and he was
just out of alcohol rehab and he doesn't have a car and he's
divorced and has a. Kid.
And yeah, it's fine. It's fine.
I'm 20. 5. Make it Yeah.
And he was in the Air Force, which was the only thing that
was going for him. But he was a good guy for a long
time until. And I shit you not this really
happened. And no, this isn't normal.
And no, they shouldn't do this. I lost my husband to a
polygamist girl and she was already married and she was the
third wife. They just work together.
And I'm like, you've. Yeah, Your face was my face.
I was like, you're leaving me for a little house on the
Prairie. Like what?
She's like, is she was she gonna leave the other dude or no, I
don't. She never did.
And he was super abusive, but she was like a defective wife.
So I think she felt bad because she was the secretary at his
work. And so I think she felt bad
because she lost her uterus after her first child.
Well, that's that's like, oh, that's.
What she meant by defective? She's defective.
Yeah. She can have any more babies
than she's the youngest wife. And that's what her job was.
You know, like your job is to have babies.
If you're the youngest wife, so did you ever so she sorry to
interrupt you some of the things that you're saying.
Stranger than fiction, man. I'm no, it's just bringing me
back to like ideas of Handmaid's Tale that show that.
Oh, I felt like if you couldn't have kids, you're you're getting
thrown. I mean, you're.
Practical To the wolves, Yeah, yeah.
She was, and she was a pretty girl.
She was young. She was nice.
I mean, Ish. I was mad, so whatever, you
know? But like, she kept doing it.
So it was, yeah. I mean, the cops came.
We'll just end it with the cops came because I the second time I
was like, the first time I was nice.
Now I'm pissed. So that was enough of that.
And he ended up back on meth and in the streets.
I couldn't even get him to divorce him for two years.
I was like and then I got punished for that, so.
Get into that one too, about the temple.
So I grew up like that. My family was a wreck so I
really leaned on the church because they really are there
for you. Like everything before you go to
the temple is amazing, OK? Everything before you go there
is like you have church meeting and then you have primary for
kids and they sing and it's great and it's very
indoctrinating. No, when you say temple, I just.
I just want to. Pick the picture in the list.
Yeah, the temple. Are you talking about like those
big, nice fancy ones? Or are you talking?
About them. So you were so now I thought I
could be wrong. I thought you actually had to be
like kind of important or be up there in the Mormon church to
even attend those temples. Nope.
OK, So what you have to be is you have to be worthy.
They call it worthy. So every church member has the
opportunity. Whether you have status, wealth,
whatever it does, that doesn't matter to them.
But you have to pay your tithing.
So even if you're broke, they'll tell you you pay your tithing
the 10%. And I'm like, well, then we
won't have food. Like, I'm 17 and he's the broke
idiot, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't know.
And we're living like, it's not good.
And he's like, no, no, you pay the tithing, we'll give you
food. Or we'll help you with rent.
Or we'll help you. That's right, they still want
you to pay this hiding no matter what.
No matter what. So it's all about OBD wait, So
they'd rather wait. So they still want you to tie,
but then if they have to give you money, they'll still give it
to you. But I.
Guarantee you. They give you like food like
good. I guarantee you that somehow.
Some tax type of shit right there.
Well, and you have to go work at the Bishops Storehouse and help
can the food or do some work or whatever.
And then you also, like we ended up being janitors for free.
Like they get all this stuff for free for people that they help,
so they trade everything for their buildings.
All their maintenance, all all their upkeep.
I was scrubbing toilets for that cottage cheese like it.
Nothing is free, you know, And so, I mean, maybe sometimes they
do it just for a write off. But yeah, and so you have to
have that. You have to not break the word
of wisdom, which is coffee, tea, smoking.
You have to be chased. I guess my exhusband missed that
one. You're not supposed to be having
sex with other people. Stuff like that.
What's what? The coffee tea thing.
So, and smoking. Yeah, drugs.
Anything. Well, actually, so many people
get this wrong. So this is what the actual word
is. The word isn't caffeine at all.
And actually the real word, the real word is you should not have
hot drinks. Well, back then.
And and the cold brew is OK. Yeah, right.
So I'm like and they have hot chocolate, which has way more
caffeine in it than a cup of coffee, if you really.
So they actually manufacture hot cocoa, so in their Bishop's
storehouse. So it is not.
And they own cocacola. Don't let them fool you.
So I don't really wait. So I bought this product that my
friend sells, and then I realized afterwards that it's
probably a Mormon MLM. Once I got yeah, I think it was
a total Utah. I was like, hello.
But the patch? Yeah, the TH.
No, it's called Amare Amare Global and it's like a
neurotropic, so it's a drink mix.
You put the cup in your drink and it gives you a caffeine like
effect without caffeine and that makes sense.
Yes. And also somebody just chatted
in that he he saw people back in the day have spittoons.
And he's not wrong. And this is what happened with
the smoking. It used to be okay to have
tobacco products, but his they used to do the meetings in his
home, in Joseph Smith's home. And his wife got so sick of
cleaning up the floor because the men would spit on the floor
that Joseph Smith wrote that he had a revelation that nobody
should have tobacco anymore. Because back then, cigarettes
were not really a thing as much. It was like a pipe or, you know,
The Chew. And it was messy.
So I'm like, OK, that's fun. So I'm like, you can't have any
of that. Yeah.
Wow and. You.
Yep, you can't. So.
But now it's translated so everything changes in the
church, right? So eventually they're like, OK,
now we have Cold Brute, like your like teas or coffee.
Whatever. OK, so now they're like, ooh, uh
oh, we better not have caffeine. It kind of got twisted.
But they don't say that. They just say, well, you can't
drink coffee and tea, but you can go drink ginseng tea or you
can drink whatever else. You know, so they don't care
about that. And then it's like very all of
Mormonism. There's always an exception to
the rule, like it is so and they'll change it constantly,
which we'll talk about, but so you have to do that.
And you go in and have a meeting with your Bishop and you talk to
him about all the things and they like.
And this used to happen to me even as a kid, because when
you're 12, you go do baptisms for the dead and you have to
have this same interview. So the Bishop, like, nicely sits
there. You're all alone 12/13/14.
And he's like, so do you masturbate?
So if you do masturbate, how do you masturbate?
And what did you think of and how did you do it and what did
you do? And did you use lotion and like?
I'm serious. And it got real creepy.
And I think there was a lot of people that flipped out like
parents eventually. Not in my era.
They kept on going with it and I was like, so the first thing you
learn in Mormonism is you must be perfect.
And I don't do anything. Forget it.
You don't. You're not going to go back in
there and say that again. Like, that's so weird.
And so you just start lying like crazy.
And everybody's supposed to be this morally clean and half the
girls end up pregnant. So I'm like, yeah, great, okay,
whatever, you know? So you have to have that.
What else? You have to be a full tied pair.
And when I say a full tied pair, they sit you down at tax season.
And they take you your financials and you sit down with
them and they look at your gross income, not your net.
And they go over if you actually did it and if you didn't do it,
you have to, you have to pay it back.
You're deficited to the church, and they're like, worse than the
IRS. Yeah, they're way worse.
And so they want to know all the things about everything about
your whole entire life. And so that's fun.
And then you're not supposed to, you know.
Do drugs but not, not pharmaceutical drugs.
And you're not supposed to get tattoos, but you can have breast
implants but. And every woman in the church
does. I'll tell you, like I said about
the Kardashians, it'll it'll come up like everybody is like,
so perfect and they're women, like constantly.
You're having mental breakdowns. Everybody's depressed.
And the church owns stock in pharmaceuticals.
So when we'd started getting like approved everywhere, you
know? Utah was one of the last people,
and even now it's only approved for medical and they almost make
it like impossible for normal people.
Like, it's $250 to get your medical card and you have to re
up it every three months for $250.
Yeah. And then you can't.
That doesn't cover the weed. That's just the card.
And then you go in to the pharmacy to get your weed and
you can only buy it from the pharmacy and it's like highly
expensive. Oh, out here.
It's not even worth it. I've taken a look at some of the
shops that are out here. I'll still get off the garden
streets. Yeah, it's more expensive and
it's not as good. And I'm like This is why?
And the thing that weirds me out is like, these things are also,
like, regulated by the government.
It's like. Yeah, yeah.
What's in there? Who knows, you know?
I'm like, I've never even heard it.
It's like you go to look these companies up and you don't even
find them online. Yep.
And then so once once you do all this, you may as well take that
damn pill because and the church wants you to.
They're real funny about it because they own stock in a lot
of pharmaceuticals and they actually came out to their
congregation. Can we say like the vid stuff or
should I like code word it? Okay.
So the thing that from 2020 that will never go away, they
actually came out and said to every single member that they
should get the thing that cures it, cures it in church, in
church. So many people that were
completely against it went and did it and did it to their
children and did it. In general, and because they
want to follow the prophet, the prophet knows everything.
But also the prophet's just a man if he's wrong and you can't
blame him. So I don't know which one it is,
but that's what they always say, Like they always are.
Like, well, he's the prophet and he's divinely, you know, put in
his place and he's called of God and blah blah blah.
And then you're like, oh OK, he knows everything then and then
they're like, Oh no, but he, if he's wrong, he's just a man.
But what does the Bible say if a prophet's wrong once?
And everything he says is wrong, right?
That's what the Bible says. But also, the Bible is only
correct in as much as it's interpreted correctly.
So the Morgans don't really believe in the full Bible
either. So there's that.
Wow. So that's just to get there,
that's just to go. Then you have to pay about 150,
probably between 120 and $150.00 to get your little outfit.
Which we have pictures of. You can.
Oh yeah, creepy, creepy looking. Yeah, so you wear this.
And funny enough and the handshakes we might have to
bring back after. But these are signs and tokens.
This is what you wear. And this was the bottom corner
is a recreation from the show. Something banner of heaven.
You know that show, it was like on Netflix or something.
This is actually they do this, I was there.
This is what really set me off a little bit.
That's one of the things they do in this two hour ceremony and
then we can go to the next one, yeah.
They do that in, you see how they have their hands like this.
Yes, that make a cut of. Slit their throat, Yes.
Or spill their bowels. They do it down below if they
ever, ever do what I'm doing, which is be an apostate and tell
the truth and and I want to put this out there as a disclaimer
for any Mormon viewers or any people that feel like I'm being
disrespectful. Here's the thing, I was in this
until I was 34 years old. I was raised in it and all of my
family is still in it. And I was.
I almost had my kids taken away. Like, it goes bad.
Like I was sued. I was reported to CPS.
Yeah, my family went crazy. And so to this day, I don't
speak to most of my family and they're all still Mormon.
And they would be very upset with me with this.
But I'm not doing this to be a jerk, and I'm not doing this to
make fun of it. And I'm not doing this.
To do anything harmful to anyone.
But if I were abused and and I was in a therapist's office and
I wanted to tell my story anywhere, they would say it was
good for me. But I have to hold this in.
I'm not. I'm not doing that.
And if you don't like it, you can turn it.
But I'm going to tell my truth, and this is truth, and there's
probably other people like me, and most of the things I've seen
on Mormonism are really careful about this because they say, oh,
this is their. Sacred thing.
And I'm like, OK, but how do you ever figure any of this out?
Then? Like you, you're like, oh, they
do this here, oh, this and this. How do we ever break it down if
we don't ever expose it? Really.
Like, that's wrong. So that's why I did this, and
I'm going further than most people would, but that's just
how it's going to be with me. So they quit doing the slit
their throat and slit their bellies in 1990.
Because too many people complaint a lot of changes.
Even though the church is perfect, they change it all the
time, which is so funny to me. And I'm like, OK, if you're
perfect, what happened with that?
You know? But.
That move, the slicing of like the stomach, the throat.
And I think there's another one in the OTO.
I think they do that. They do that in the OTO and the
Gnostic mess. Another thing they represent,
you know, they don't do it on an angle, I don't think like that.
It seems much more straight. Like it even looks.
Like, you know, it's very and Joseph Smith was a master Mason.
Most people say that he wasn't, and I actually know that he was.
No, On the YouTube account for the Latter Day Saints, they have
a small little like 2 minute episode acknowledging that he
was amazing. Now now finally and and he got
his well and they say oh we don't know what what degree he
was. We're not for certain this and
that. No, he was.
He was initiated. And then that was in March of
1842. And then two days later he was
expedited in two days to master Mason on March 15th, 1842.
And you guys can check my facts. I am such a huge backup on on
anything that I spew because I don't want to be just saying
stuff to say stuff unless it's my personal life.
Yeah, so he he also has been told his brothers in the church
and it's Oliver Cowdry. And Martin Harris.
And him. Tons of other ones.
Heber Kimball. Brigham Young.
All of them were Masons. His brother was a Master Mason.
His father is speculated to be a Mason.
And there's some huge occult background there.
But I might. Remember the day of the when he
first started? It was Oliver Crow jury that
scribed for Joseph Smith, right? He was the 2nd.
Oliver Cowdrey was the second. You're good.
He was the 2nd scribe. Martin Harris was the first.
By the end of the time he finished the Book of Mormon.
He None of them liked him. They all hated him and he
excommunicated both of them. So that's fun.
And it's because they kept catching him with other women,
because he and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, I'm a
polygamist, this is all sacred and blah, blah, blah.
But The thing is, the stuff that Joseph Smith was doing, which
they refused to admit in our church, our own church, said
Nope, he was not a polygamist. Yes, he was.
He was, yeah. Yeah, but they they only came
out with that when the Internet hit and then they did a big
thing and started saying don't look up stuff.
On the Internet I was still in. Then they say doubt your doubts,
don't doubt your faith. It was a logo and they would
talk about it at church. Don't, don't look for outside
information. If you have questions, go to
your Bishop or lds.org. Don't talk about this.
And the thing about the Mormon stuff, with the temple rights
and all of this, none of this is ever to be breathed or talked
about except for inside the temple.
Well, when you're inside the temple, you're doing stuff
because it's all very regimented.
And it's all so quiet. So when the heck are you
supposed to going to talk about that?
Like never. When are you going to end up
there with your Bishop? Probably not ever.
Like again because you go so you get there and normally you go
either when you serve a mission or if you're doing baptisms for
the dead when you're young, when you're like 12 to 15, you go as
a youth group and we'll get into that because that's a separate
thing from all this. And then?
You go when you get married, but but if you're a single woman,
they're used to not have anything that you could do.
But my grandpa, like, was Catholic forever and my grandma
was a Mormon and she really wanted to go and she went to
church every Sunday and did all this stuff.
And they did make an exception for her in the late 80s because
they knew he might never go. Because when you go the first
time you go, you are sealed. If you're with a husband or
wife, if you're going on a mission, it's a different thing,
but. You're sealed for time and all
eternity. So they believe that when you
get married and there's an altar picture on one of these and it's
a wedding, the the people by an altar are getting married in it
and that's what you wear to get married.
You don't wear your wedding dress and you don't say wedding
things and there's no I do. And Q and your family can't come
unless they have they're qualified to go.
They're little recommend and they know even if you tried to
fake it, it's all digitalized. So then you get into this, so
you get you're going to go to get married, you're all excited,
you go there and you're fancy dress, and when you get there
they give you that. Nice.
Well, you've already bought it and it's $150.00 and they own
the patent and you can't buy it anywhere else.
But if you don't have the patent and you can't afford it or
whatever to make your own or buy some, you have to rent them from
the church. And so every time you go.
You go rent them, you change in a little locker room And then it
used to be when I went this is where it gets really fun.
They used to make us get naked and then they give us this
poncho to like put on. It's like a not see through
poncho with the slits open on the sides.
And I was hugely pregnant then because we had to go later
because my husband was a convert and so.
Real quick, I have a question. I have a question.
Not anytime. Stop me.
They wanna just wanna know what was going on in here in this,
right on the. Right, I will.
Let's come back to that. Go towards one with an altar.
If you see one with an altar, we'll get.
You can just skip, yeah, we'll get there.
Any of the ones that are in the temple and this is all gonna get
really a cult later as we all can see you.
Know what I think the only ones with it that I have.
Maybe I didn't send it. Yeah.
OK, so you lean over this altar. Well, in this we can finish it.
So this is the sign. There's signs and tokens you
receive. So the first thing that happens
is you go through initiatory, which I'll explain here in a
minute when you get naked. But now they don't, I guess.
And you do a blessing on your body and your loins and now they
just touch their forehead because remember, it's perfect,
but they change it constantly. So, OK, so they changed it
because people were uncomfortable getting naked.
I know. I was definitely one of those.
You sit on this damn cold block and you're like, what is
happening in here? Like, why is there no cushion or
nothing? It's an altar.
I didn't even know that. Later you're naked on this altar
thing. It's just a stone slab.
It looks like a bench, but I didn't know.
And then so some lady comes in and she's blessing you for your
sinews. I think you might.
And some of this might sound familiar to you, like your
sinews and your loins and your something and your and anyway,
I've read some Mason things and it's very similar.
So this lady comes in to do it, and I'm the only thing that's
bothering me at this point, even though I'm Naked and cold and
it's weird, is she's a lady. She can't give me a blessing.
She doesn't have the priesthood. I don't understand what she's
doing in here. And none of this makes sense to
me. I'm like.
What about I'm like, yeah, wait a minute, What are you doing?
Because I thought, when's the guy coming?
And she's like, oh, no, you're not dressed, so you have to have
a lady to it. I'm like, tell you, you don't
have the priesthood. I'm like, so how's that going to
work? And she's like, oh, it's
different in the temple. Of course it is because
everything is different. So.
All right, So we get through that.
They give you your new underwear, which they do in
Masons as well. This underwear is more this
older versions with the Long John, but they still have it if
you want to wear one piece. Whatever.
Nobody does anymore. They look like a Haynes.
Oh yeah, go back to that. They look like a Haynes tshirt
and some kind of longish boxer shorts.
There's tons of different material.
Again, the church owns the only stores that sell these.
And again, you have to buy them specifically from the church.
They're about 35 to $40 a pair. You need a lot of pairs of these
because they're your underwear. You can't even put your bra
underneath them. You have to put your bra over
the top of them or underwear over the top of them or whatever
else you're going to do. They're very underwearish.
They've got like, like the little panty area, whatever for
women. Yeah, that works really great
wearing boxer shorts on your period like.
It's the worst thing ever. And then they have maternity
ones, blah, blah, blah. So they're making all this
money, right? Because these do not cost this
much to make. And there's pictures of kids in
sweatshops making these in China, so that's fun.
Then you get these Masonic symbols on them and it shows
where they are on the chest. Actually, they missed one.
So if you go down, see how it has a sideways cut on the belly?
That's the ruler as well, like the sideways ruler, and also on
the knee. And so I remember asking like,
why? And they have military ones and
everything. Like they're supposed to always
be white, but for the military, they do make exceptions and they
make them in like army green and stuff.
But you are to wear these all the time.
Except if you're going swimming because the devil has dominion
over the water, and if you're going to make more Mormons but
you put them right back on after.
And some people get really weird about that.
But that's not a church thing. That's a them thing.
And to shower, but as soon and you never put them on the floor
and you have to put them in with your right leg 1st and your
right arm first. There it's all very specific.
And so you get these underwear and then you go through to the
next part of the temple ceremony and the one where it's a whole
bunch of women and you can see all these veils.
That's the next room. And I had no idea these were
Freemason symbols. I thought this was like, my
grandma was like, oh, every knee shall bow.
That's why it's on the knee, like they tell you some story.
I don't even know, but I had no idea.
I wore these for years, Didn't know.
So the next picture on there where it shows a bunch of people
like veiled and sitting down in the room, Hey wait, Heidi, what
if it's like summertime and you're wearing like, what you're
wearing now? Nope, you can't.
So you have to wear like long sleeve or short sleeve.
Or the rest of your life. Yeah.
And you're buried in them. And so this picture here at the
bottom, So the women and men are separated.
They go on separate sites of the room.
And there's a speaker at the front.
Or, well, there's still always a speaker.
But whether you have a live session or a recorded session, a
recorded session is just like a movie.
But the live session is actually acted out, like in full play.
Like they do this play, OK And so you go in there, you're
separated. They do, they do their side, You
do your side. And you're going through the
first time for yourself. So the first time you get your
new name, you get your new name. Mine was Abigail.
You get. The man gets a new name,
however. He only tells his name to the
person at the veil who is God simulating God.
And I tell my name only to my husband because I'm only saved
through him because I can't have the priesthood right?
So so it's so sexist. Anyways, so you are to only
repeat that name to him and someday when I die or he dies
and then he calls for me through the veil, not God.
My husband does. So.
And he can call as many women as he wants to call.
And he can have a temple. He doesn't have to have a temple
divorce. He can get married.
My uncle got married seven times.
And he asked one time, like, who do I call?
And they're like, oh, don't worry, God, I'll figure it out.
That's all they ever tell you when you have questions?
Yep. And I I'm like, OK, so I get
married. And I want this divorce, right?
Because, like, this guy went super crazy.
And I have all the reasons in the world he had an affair.
He's on drugs. He abandoned me.
He's not taking care of his children.
He's gone. I can't find him.
And so I'm dating. Like, what do you do for two
years while you can't find this guy?
You know? So I can't even find him to
divorce him. So I'm stuck.
And they're like, oh, well, you have to get remarried to get a
temple divorce. We don't give a temple divorce
unless you have another man willing to take his spot, First
of all. Second of all.
Yeah. Second of all, my new husband.
This comes later. My second husband found out
because we had already had this baby.
And we had a little boy and he said, OK, so normally converts
have to have their children sealed to them because like, the
baby was already born and he hasn't gone through with me yet,
right? But no, because I was already
done and I was already in and I already had my children born
under the covenant, which means I was already in before any of
my children were born. My daughter was in me, but she
wasn't out. So we already did all this
garbage before she came out. So every child from then on out
is born under the covenant and sealed to us immediately.
Like just because, like there's no ceremony.
Again, nothing but people that are converts, say your whole
family converts. You have to take your children
in and get sealed and it's for time and all eternity.
So families can be forever together, which is unbiblical
and not supported by any Bible. Anything.
It says what happens, tell what, tell death you apart.
And anything that's that's here, we won't even be male and female
later. Like it says that in the Bible.
So anyways, go forward and you look into, oh, by the way while
you're over the altar, you might find this interesting.
You're looking into eternity. Mirrors like that go on forever.
You know that you're not that face each other.
Very magical stuff there. So the temple signs, they start
doing this whole thing with you, like those weird pictures where
they are showing you either the handshakes or the signs and
symbols where they're like, yes, this, so this.
And they're they're doing actually one in this corner one
as well. So all of these are signs and
symbols that they're going to give you in the temple.
So you're learning all this your first time.
But it goes along with the story of creation, like of Adam and
Eve. And they talk about how God, but
they don't believe in one God, they believe in three like.
Yeah, you know what you have to do.
You gotta go look up an OTO Gnostic Mass and watch the 1st 5
minutes when they even show the people coming to the temple and
when somebody goes to a Gnostic mass and if it's your first time
there. They always go over the signs
that you're going to do, yes. Why?
This is what they do while you're in the Gnostic Mass and
these things are in there, yes. Except for this one.
This exact symbols, yes. And that's so weird.
And the handshakes, The Masonic handshakes.
Well, not the shit. Yeah, the handshakes aren't in
there. But these OK so.
OK, this top are that top one is the handshake right there.
You can see it's it's the two Volcane symbol, the two Volcane
symbol with the knuckle. And then these ones like I said,
they took out the slicing one because there was too much
controversy. Then the circle thing, these
that's basically what you're doing in the temple.
You're learning all these signs and symbols because if you don't
know them when you die you can't go to heaven because you're
going to go to the veil. At the end there's a big curtain
that simulates the veil like when you're dying and my husband
went through 1st and he gives the signs and symbols to the guy
standing there so that you can learn them and and if he does it
right, if he does it wrong, they correct him.
If he does it right then he's passed his test for the
Sentinels and angels that guard God so he can go to heaven.
So OK, he fakes going to heaven by going through this curtain.
There's even like slits in the curtain so you can't see the
person. It's just a hand.
And so you do all this stuff and then you go through fake.
And then he calls me and does it with me.
He he does. He's God for me.
He's my God, right? Because of course he is.
So that's fun. So they don't deny that they do
these ordinances. That's what that little clip was
that you just went to. It says that they're they're
going to continue to do ordinances in the temple that
are placed under covenant with him and that they always call it
covenants. And I'm sorry, but in the Bible
it literally says you're not supposed to do oaths and
covenants. And I listen, I don't have a
problem with the Mormons. If they'll do one thing, say
you're not Christian. If you want to be whatever you
are an OTO member, if you want to be Mason, if you want to be a
Mormon. But don't lie to people and tell
them they're Christians, because it's not.
And that is my problem. And that's why I'm angry,
because I was tricked into this and this is crap.
Because they will not utter a word of this to you until you
get there, because nobody can talk about it.
I've seen it a lot before, like even just, you know, not getting
into it, but. Even when I've said my opinions
on certain things on the podcasting community, it's not
actually, I could actually give to flying fucks what you're into
or what you believe. Yep.
Or what you practice is just that.
Why are you telling your listeners that you're not into
it, right? That's the problem that I have,
cuz then it seems a little shady.
Why do you? Why do?
You. It seems deceptive, for sure.
It is deceptive because I'm sitting there going, wait a
minute, yeah, And not even my grandma would tell me, not even
my no, nobody, nobody utters a word.
They are under such tight. And I feel like this is my
opinion. I feel like most people don't
speak about these things like what I'm telling you because
they're still secretly afraid about the oaths and covenants
they made about spilling. Because they say you make these
oaths and covenants in front of angels and witnesses.
That's what they say when you're in there.
So they say if you break them, I don't just go to hell, I go to
outer darkness. Like with murders?
So I was watching an interview with a former Mormon just
yesterday, actually. Funny enough.
And he was saying that even like like your issue with calling
themselves Christians, the Mormon baptism is not valid.
No, because they don't baptize to God.
They're baptizing for the church because I was baptized.
So what the words actually are are you are baptized the member
of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
They don't ever say about God. They very rarely talk about the
Bible or God. They talk about Joseph Smith and
we're not supposed to have idols.
They got him plastered all over the place.
And by the way, their Mormon Jesus is the blondest, most
white and delights in Jesus I've ever seen.
He he's like blue eyes and one of my friends, after I got out,
she goes, you know that he looks like one of the demons, like the
water demon, some water demon when she told me.
Metatron or something. And she was like, you better
take that down. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I
didn't even think. So now I am so diligent on my
daughter. I'm like, I show her the Jesus
from the Shroud of Turin, like he's very And he's brown.
And I tell her I'm like, OK, listen, he was from a place
where people are brown and I don't care what color anyone is.
Yeah, I don't care. My my whole family's mixed.
So, I mean, she didn't have a problem with it because my whole
family's mixed. So like, we just, it's not a
thing for our family but for other people because they feel
that that's the mark of Cain to be black and it the church is
very racist. Well, they lie and say they're
not now, but they are. But anyways, until the 50s they
couldn't. Oh yeah, yeah.
I can't even believe like at all this.
Is only the Wikipedia, so it's not even like, yeah, I can't
believe there's any black or brown or Polynesian, any kind of
members that are any kind of brown.
Sorry, I cannot believe if you're brown or a shade of brown
or a particular anything of brown or black.
You must go through and read what they have said.
Because one of the main quotes that stick out in my mind and
why I say white and delight some.
And it's funny, but it's a Mormon joke because all of the
prophets used to preach to the Native Americans and there's a
literal quote from Spencer W Kimball, who was one of our
prophets. And remember, they're supposed
to be perfect until they're just a man.
I don't know which one it is, But he said, as we have preached
more unto our native brothers and sisters, they have become
exceedingly white and delightsome.
No, they didn't. You killed off everyone they
could mate with, and they had to mate with white people.
You idiots. Wow.
You know, I am interesting. The whole thing is so deceptive.
Like, what was I going to say? You know, OK, even I'm Canadian,
right? So like.
This is a little bit removed from me.
Are you Mick Mac? Are you?
No, because there's a story about that.
So. Oh yeah, I know about the Mick
Mac. I am Mick Mac.
Are you OK? I'm the Mormons from Alberta and
whatnot. But anyways, no.
I wonder like if the Learning Channel has anything to do with
this or if they are owned by Mormons, because I feel like
growing up and the only experience I have.
With Mormons on TV is the Learning Channel.
But they never sister wives or something.
Sister Wives and the Duggars, which is also some other strange
form. There's been a bit, there's been
a few of them on on 90 day fiance too, so I do.
They get it. They get, they get their reality
TV on. It's kind of like normalizing
these very interesting offshoots of Christianity, but without.
Ever specifying what they are. I'm just like, oh, that's like
what Christian people are like in America.
Like I guess well, and I want to be very clear, the FLDS, which
is there's there's three types. Well there's many but the three
main is the reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints.
OK, that was the breakoff that happened when Joseph Smith and
his brother were killed. His wife continued it with
through their sons and they made a reorganized church, which
doesn't believe in polygamy at all because she was not down.
She beat the shit out of one of his little girlfriends and she
had a miscarriage. They said she fell down the
stairs, but I found another quote that was like, no, she
didn't. So yeah, and I don't blame her
because girl, I get it. I did that once.
Anyways, that happens. You lose your temper.
I don't know if I'd do it if she was pregnant, but just still.
And so that church is that one. Then there's the mainstream, we
call it mainstream LDS, which is what I'm teaching on today.
And then there's the FLDS, which is the polygamists.
But even the polygamists are multiple sex.
There's at least three and some follow Warren Jeffs even though
he's still in prison. It they still follow him and all
of that is still carried out through his brothers.
Everything in that area. I used to live right outside of
Colorado City, really close to there in St.
George, UT. So they dress like Little House
on the Prairie. They they're very old school.
No TV's, none of that stuff. They can't they have to do their
hair certainly like it's very strictured.
They pick their husbands they all that, all that stuff.
So, and there's a lot of controversy about abuse in that
one, but I'll tell you this. And then there's another one
that is just like them, but they don't dress like that.
But they wear long sleeves. They wear long hair because they
don't cut their hair because it's their crowning glory.
OK, so this part though it sounds controversial because of
the actual abuse lately. Before Warren Jeffs, his dad
Roulon was over that sect and he was actually a better person and
he made sure all the girls were 18 to get married.
Most, most all of them. Like there was not this
childhood bride situation. I mean, that's still really
young, but they were of consenting age.
They still choose their husbands, they still push all
that crap, but they believe in the real Book of Mormon like
before. It's been messed with
100,000,000 times like what mainstream has done.
They are actually more true Mormons than any mainstream
Mormon. They actually keep to the old,
the old rituals, how it was set forth by Joseph Smith.
So when people bash on them, it's because of the people that
carry it out. And I don't care what they do
other than the Christianity thing.
They want to have 45 wives. I really don't care like just
don't live off the government because they do.
It's a big thing that they are only spiritually married to
those wives and they all get assistance.
So they believe in called bleeding the beast, which means
they believe in using everything at their at their disposal that
they can any kind of government thing because they hate the
government and they want to bleed the beast so.
Wow. Yeah, it's very interesting.
And they don't finish their homes.
If you ever go there, we can do that on Colorado City later.
But anyway, if you ever go there, their homes are like
weirdly half finished because they don't want to pay taxes on
them. You don't have to pay the same
tax. And they know all the things.
They know. They have their own sheriff's,
they have their own government. They will follow you if you go
into that city. They will question you.
And it's kind of scary, like they are not messing.
Around like some Scientology moves right here.
Oh, for real. Their stuff is like science.
Like it. My my sister actually married
one that got out of that sect and so we know.
You went from 1 alien to another one.
Yep. Yep she is.
And I was like anyway, so that's that so.
Real quick, real quick. I did want to mention cuz I see
now we're getting into occultism.
This is why I did ask you earlier.
And then you started going on into something.
I didn't want to reinterrupt you again to make a point.
No, but I the reason why I had asked you, I'm almost positive
that whoever did start scrawing for Joseph Smith, I think it
might have started on April Martin Harris.
I think it might have started on April 9th.
I could be wrong, and I always found that interesting because
like, April 8th was the first day of the writing of the book
of the Law of Alice the Crowley. Yeah, yeah.
And well and. And The thing is, too, this
sounds, well, you have an Oliver Cowdry.
Yes. And the first one, Well, the
first one that did it for him was his wife.
And then he got Martin Harris. And if you've ever seen the
South Park on it, it is quite actually correct in a lot of
ways. They banned it everywhere.
But it actually kind of went like that.
He was a wealthy banker. He helped him be his scribe and
then his wife got pissed and took some of the pages and that
she's the one where they say smart, smart, smart at at the
cartoon because she said OK, she burned the papers and said no,
that it said if I'm going to give you all of it, it's OK, I'm
mine, all of this stuff. If if we're going to give him
all of our money, then I want to see some proof.
And he said, no, no, the Angel told me because you did that, I
shouldn't tell you what those books said.
So we're going to translate other books.
So yeah. So it's kind of funny.
And he predates it before Jesus. But and also on your point, this
is actually super interesting because Okay, John D got the
Inocchian alphabet. How?
Saw an Angel. Right.
So then they told him to do what?
Write a book, write this down. And there were many offshoots
off of John Dee's writings and knowledge to make multiple
religious aspects. Right or religious basically
ripped his story. Well, I I actually think
something different because then on top of it, Alistair Crowley
saw what A was, right? He saw A was first and A was
told him to do what? Write this stuff down.
And he formed the Lima. And then Muhammad saw an Angel
and he wrote some stuff down. And what happened?
He formed a religion and then Scientology, they saw some
angels and wrote some stuff down and they formed A what a
religion. So this story has been done
before. And I don't think any of it's a
ripoff. I think they're nethylene
spirits or fallen spirits that are coming to these people and
having them write many false religions, just like it says in
the Bible. And it says that they'll be many
things that will lead them astray and they will be
beautiful and they will be, you know, full of light.
And and that's why they say you can never just trust an Angel,
right, Because you never know what you're entertaining.
That's what it says. And Joseph Smith's cute little
story about when he was 14 and he saw it, so he went to the
Grove and he prayed and he he was, oh, I want to know about
God and which church I should join.
And God the Father and this Son appeared to him and he was
overtaken by darkness and he passed out.
This is how this happened for real.
And that's the cute story version of it he doesn't
explain. Later he saw up to 24 spirits
and or angels that is documented.
So his mom wrote a fantastic little book that they can't hide
and it's amazing because it's going to get into all this
occult beginnings. And so after that it took him
four more years and the story is almost exact that the one of
Enoch for Masonry and how he kept going back every year to
visit the plates and blah blah blah and they still had play.
It's so similar. It's almost silly.
I think there was a real Angel, but I think he took some stuff
off of that story because he was a Mason and then he didn't
receive the plates like they show it this cute glorious thing
like one day la like this Angel came and it's all bright and
beautiful. That happened on the fall
Equinox in the middle of the night all dressed in black.
He received these books right after he got married and I'm
pretty sure before he had sex because part of his thing was he
was a virgin scrier. These parchments are from his
family line. His mother has a quote on here
and she was a follower of the House of a brac and they
worshipped A bracsis. They have documented her talking
about how she follows the House of a BRAC and he got hurt when
he was 7 and got typhoid fever and he got osteomyelitis in his
leg and he was sick for years and had to be in the home and
laid up while they're all out treasure hunting.
And he was bored just like JFK. He was super smart.
Why cuz he was sick and read a bunch of books.
Well he was sick and stuck in his house and they were pretty
down poor so he probably read whatever they had.
And their background is Scottish and I'm pretty sure they had the
Magus by looking at some of this stuff.
I want to ask you real quick. This just brings back more like,
I think, a cult symbolism tied to, yeah.
Mormonism stories that well, and I guess this story probably
came. I mean it did come before the
Lima. So you know, I again the
question you know who ripped off who, but right.
You or you, Angel? Yeah.
Yeah, for appearance.
Do you, do you know of a metal mountain Meadow massacre?
Oh yeah, yes, of course. Crowley wrote the MMM also.
And the The Meadow Mountain Massacre also happened between
September 9th and September 11th, supposedly.
Also he talks about Joseph Smith.
You know that, right? Also, I find it interesting that
like even with 911, every single plane number had to do with with
with a Crowley book. And then you have Crowley
writing the MMM and there's the Meadow Mountain Massacre that
happened technically around the same date around 9/11 frame.
I'm like, what the hell? And then you got some guy with
the name really close to his name.
Yeah, it's very weird. How jury?
Well, and I think it's channeling to be honest, because
he uses OK, so these parchments, he wrote.
These are in their family. This is their family writings.
And this one actually has a demonic name in a Nokian
alphabet on it. At the bottom it calls down.
Jubilants or some demon and and there yeah there's a whole bunch
of stuff in here. In fact this this scared the
Monday brothers. They were like, we gotta pray
right now. I'm like I always pray before
too don't worry, like and they were like no way.
That looks scary. I'm like, well, it it.
I mean, yeah, you know, so he was the SCRI Virgin Scrier and
he was the sear stone user for the treasure digging.
And all of this had to do with that he wrote these.
There's no proof, but they're in his family.
They were kept by his brother. They also had a Mars dagger with
the Mars symbolism on it. And they executed and this was
documented that his neighbor paid the dad this.
He died with this Jupiter Talisman on him and his wife
actually stated that that was his because all this other stuff
they say, Oh well, they said he was wearing that when he was in
the jail cell, right? She said he never took it off.
So I know you have that knife in here somewhere.
Yeah, there's the Mars knife. And so that is one that is
definitely the. Mars right there and the sigils.
And that's like planetary sigil or like.
I mean, people who mess with Kabbalah would probably still
use that. Because of the planetary well.
And they think, they think that he maybe was exposed.
People say he wasn't, but he had this mentor when he was quite
young, maybe around 1314. That was actually the cousin of
his coming future wife, Emma Smith.
And his name was Lumens. Well, William Lumens, isn't that
interesting? Lumens like light.
Bringer like light. Yeah.
This all freaked me out. When I started like, Ding Ding,
yeah, I was like, oh. Oh my gosh.
So he came to town just randomly.
He was like a doctor. They said, OK, Josephson never
had any exposure because he was this poor farm boy.
Not so. This guy brought many books with
him. He was a doctor and he had
traveled all over Europe. He was actually really familiar
with multiple things of magic and was known as a magician and
so with his mom being in the House of a brac and that's where
Abracadabra comes from, is Abraxas, which by the way that
demon is a necromancer which plays super into stuff later
because. Well then, the baptisms of the
dead too. The dead.
Well, every work is for the dead in the whole Mormon temple.
Except your your own. You do yours 1st and every
single one after that and you're encouraged to do as many as you
can. A month are for dead people.
It is a necromancy. It is yes.
And so this all this his seer stones, his knife, and there's
an actual those circles that were and they're not necessary.
I mean we can do it or not. But his dad was actually looking
for treasure and drew two circles.
In the dirt with a sword and then made the cone in the middle
for the triangle cone and was using like all kinds of weird
sigils and muttering like spells on the outside trying to help
this neighbor find treasure and he wrote it down.
So this neighbor, this is his account, like literal from his
journals. And then he said they said to
him it will work better if we can slaughter your black sheep
at midnight tomorrow. And we can do this again and
they use that knife and that knife is is for blood sacking if
you look up stuff like it's crazy.
So they used that, and these sigils are all part of the
treasure hunting. You know, and if you I'm so
curious later I know we're on live, but later on the one where
it's kind of red and I included it at the bottom, I'd be so
interested to know what they say like more about what they say,
because I know that weird symbol is about that jubilance demon
Jabulon. Jabulon, Yes.
And then so all of this stuff is not Christian.
Like that is the same. And that says what Holy of
Holies like sound familiar? Like holiness to the Lord, Holy
of holy. And that's on our temples too.
And there's upside down. Penta Grant There's oh, doesn't
every Doesn't every temple doorknob have a beehive on it?
Yes. Oh, we are excessively.
We are the Beehive State. Utah is the Beehive State.
We are. We were settled and given that
name. It is all completely Masonic,
which was one of the things I sent to Josh in that school.
There's like this big. Beehive.
Like oldfashioned, like crusty antique dead bees in it.
And I'm like this is so creepy like what the heck is going on
here But he and he did the Masonic sign right before he
died but they ignored him because they were pissed because
he ripped off their stuff. And you know who William Morgan
is And that whole story about the Masons.
Do you know that story case? So he was like this anti Mason
and he started. Like going out and writing all
the books on it and talking about masonry on the corners and
was pissed and just like going off going off.
But he he was into masonry before that and then the whole
anti Mason movement happened because of him.
Well one day he happened they brought him up on charges which
they did the same thing to Joseph Smith that are basically
like jaywalking like it was silly like nobody gets in
trouble for that. He got in trouble for treasure
hunting is what he got in trouble for.
But Morgan got in trouble for some other thing, and it was a
debt or something. So somebody paid it and he got
out and then nobody ever saw him again, ever.
He's like a big famous story. And so, funny enough, Joseph
Smith married his widow. Spiritually.
Yeah, spiritually. And she had all this Mason
stuff, so she had all his stuff because he was a Mason before he
went anti. And so he had, and she was super
in love with him. She was the only one of his 34
wives that showed up to the funeral all dressed in black,
like a morning widow, like everybody else was on the hush,
you know. And so he got his temple
ordinances for Mason and exactly two months later created his own
within two months. So I mean, there's no doubt in
my mind that he completely ripped it off like that Sure,
sure sign of the lion's paw. Our sign for that is called the
sure Sign of the Nail. Like he just made it about
Jesus. He probably read the Bible a
lot, stuck in there sick, you know?
But I do think he saw apparitions because, OK, so the
brother too Kay, when he got the plates that night, most likely.
See the circle thing, most likely.
That night was his wedding night, so I'm sure they
consummated. That was the same night he
supposedly got the plates, which was on the fall equinox.
Nine months almost of the day. They have a baby and it's
extremely like deformed and it dies right after it's born.
Yeah, nobody talks about that. In fact, half his kids died at
before 1. Like six of them.
I think 5 or 6. Which is interesting, knowing
what you know about sacrifice and babies and weird stuff.
And I don't even want to, but that's speculation, but
whatever. So yeah, that, there's that.
And then his brother actually died, which was also the the
dad's first born. I think they were both Faustian
bargains on both, and they named the deformed son the brother's
name, and he was one of the angels that he supposedly saw.
So that's all interesting and fun.
These are all sear stones that he supposedly translated the by
the Book of Mormon with. He he's shown doing it with a
breastplate and a Urum and thumbum, which is like these
really thick glasses. But actually the real truth was
he would put his head in a hat and use these sear stones.
He didn't like this one as much. He liked the brown one more.
There's like a a brownish colored one, but see that one
there? But.
Either way, he had multiple and so did the neighbor.
This was like not that unusual. And especially with his mom
being. Think of it too, if she's in the
cult of a brag, who's he home with more?
Being sick and hurt? He's home with his mom.
Why? They're all out, you know.
So he's learning all this stuff from her.
I have no doubt that that Lucy Mack Smith and with her quotes.
And they can't get rid of it because she made a book.
And just like our current, our current president of the church,
not mine, I say are still the president of the church.
The Mormon Church is a Skull and Bones member.
He didn't go to Princeton, but he is a Skull and Bones member
and he made a biography and he's a doctor.
And that book is now like $1500 or something because they don't
want it out. Yeah.
It's It gets, it gets deep. And all of this has to be
related, like, I can't be the only one that's, you know,
figuring it out. But is it true?
Have you heard that? I think at one point he might
have put a lien on the church because of, uh, like Egyptian
artifacts that he bought. Oh, OK.
So he did buy Egyptian artifacts.
This is the Book of Abraham. So the I didn't do the pictures
of those, but they're very interesting.
And he said he prayed in Revelations, the whole Pearl of
great price. So we believe in.
The Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Pearl, Great Price and the
Doctor and Covenants. Well, the Pearl Doctor and
Covenants is like a whole bunch of rules and so is the Pearl of
Great Price. They're revelations that he
received by praying. And in the Pearl of Great Price,
it's all this stuff about how he was trying to get a revelation
for backup or more things that for another book.
And lo and behold, somebody came to town selling corpses and
Egyptian stuff and all this weird crap.
And it used to be in the Book of Mormon when I was little because
I was fascinated by it, because, I mean, the whole book is like
boring. So you're like 10.
Flipping through it, I'm like, ooh, this is creepy looking.
So, you know, you just stare at it And actually what it was,
they were death certificates and and like death, like a death
ceremony. And it was just an Egyptian
death ceremony. They they've proven it now that
it was complete bullcrap. And that he just bought this
stuff from some vendor, you know, peddling Egyptian
artifacts. And he claimed that he found
them and that they were the next book.
You know, the next thing I think people were calling as BS
because the printer that first printed the book, his family was
already known for this treasure hunting and they weren't good at
it. And so they had already made a
lot of enemies in town. So when all this started going
down and Martin Harris. Backed the printing because at
first they were like, yeah, we're not doing it.
He's poor. We're not going to do it because
money, you know. So when he finally did get a
backer, which was Harris, they had to do it.
So then the guy that was reading it as he's printing it, he did
not like Joseph Smith and he made a satire of it called Oh my
Gosh, Something About the Eye of.
I'll think of it in a minute. But he made some satire of it,
and it is the funniest thing. I mean, just jokes on jokes.
He's like, if we can't literally make him stop it, then I'm going
to make this satire. And they got pissed.
And then he went and copyright the Book of Mormon because he
wouldn't stop it. And it was like all like just
funny, you know, like instead of, oh and if I came to town and
blah, blah, blah. And he's like, he would just,
like, make fun of it. So it was pretty funny, but
yeah, do you remember the groups that were involved when he when
he got killed? Wasn't one of them called the
Grays? So they all, I think what
happened was they were Masons to be quite honest.
They all painted their faces and and hid their identity because
he had taken the masonry stuff and he had taken it so far and
they found out he was going to like.
Start letting women in the temple and all this stuff.
They were pretty upset that he was changing it and he was
making every person that he was involved with in the church a
Mason will pretty soon. He had more members than they
had in all the rest of the state so I think they were getting
scared is what it was. But they never proved per se who
like specifically because they painted their face.
But. I I mean, I think.
I think they were Masons and that's why he gave the Mason
sign. Yeah, I think maybe was.
I could be wrong. I think there might have been.
Wasn't there like a militia there that was supposed?
To Melissa. You were supposed to protect
him. And I think, like somehow they
didn't. I think.
I think the name of them was. Called They were called.
They were called the Grays. And I even thought that was kind
of funny considering like what, you know, alien, like, you know,
aliens, you know, and there is some sort of kind of like, you
know, and I wouldn't say, I guess it is kind of like.
I hadn't heard that nickname, but it makes sense because they
would put mud on their face and mud dries and kind of turns the
Gray, too. Yeah, Crowley and Lamb, which
kind of looked like an early depiction of a Gray.
Oh yeah, and he, he flat admits, like he saw many apparitions
more than just. Like, what is documented, and
nobody knows that. Like, I didn't know that.
I didn't know any of this stuff. Like, I didn't know about this
stuff. Like, that's why they didn't
want us online, you know? And as soon as I started finding
out the smallest of things I was, I was out of there like
that. That was scary to me.
It had already pushed my exhusband over the limit with
the whole don't worry, you don't need to have your son sailed to
you because he already is. Because her exhusband and my
husband at the time, he was like.
And I'm done. Just call my son that loser's
son, that I'm raising her children.
Like he was so mad. And I was like, oh, and then you
start studying. And yeah, it went one thing into
another for me. Like I said, it went really bad
for me actually, because my oldest daughter at the time was
dating a missionary and he was on his mission and she was going
to get married to him, she thought and all this, so.
I was playing anti Mormon propaganda and my grandma found
out and went and filed C PS:. That I beat my child in her head
and neck daily while I was like 5 months pregnant and so a whole
investigation happened. She was like 17 1/2 and they
finally told her OK because they didn't buy it.
They were like, this is crazy. And so they said, all right,
well, if that's the truth then. You won't have a hard time
continuing this case, even after your 18th birthday, and we will
perjure you. And she just was like, I don't
even know what's on that paper. My grandma wrote it.
And so, yeah, my grandma did that.
Then she sued me for every penny that she'd ever spent on my
children. And then she told my whole
family I was a thief. And so nobody talks to me like
nobody like, I lost pretty much most of my family except my mom,
because she was out already. So yeah, it was rough.
It was a rough time. That was a rough time.
Wow, they. They really come after you and
the church, you know, I mean. She just couldn't have an
apostate for the only one. I was the only one that made it
like I was kind of like her extra kid because she took me in
at 12. And her other kids, none of them
had gone to the temples, so they were all pretty wild and unruly,
you know, I mean, like my uncle was a Sundowner.
I don't know if you know what that is, but like a Hell's
Angel? He was like, at the top of that.
So I'm watching Sons of Anarchy and I'm like, this is real.
Yeah, I was like my life. So she was really upset when
that happened with me because I was like the good one, like I
made it, you know? She had a higher expectations
for you. Yeah, whoops.
And I still have tons of family I love in, you know, And that's
why I say about I'm not doing this to hurt anyone, but like
this stuff, come on, like, nobody sees this stuff.
Like. This is scary stuff you know
this isn't normal. You you've seen things like this
like this isn't normal. You know this is weird like and
I just feel like that people should know before they go in
because once you're in there it's too late.
They keep telling you you can leave like in the middle of the
ceremonies. Oh and the ceremonies back to
those weird pictures so after you get your name and do the
veil stuff. But that what the chanting is
what he asked about this. They used to say pale L and that
circle and what it is. And this is important for any
listeners that have like any family members, anything.
That was Joseph Smith's Mason Apron.
I thought that was interesting. Also, the aprons we used to wear
before 1960. Satan's apron.
Satan gives us that apron in the ceremony.
I like how you use the Deseret News, which is more known.
And so they give us the creation story and then they're they're
crying out like pale L to this. And pale L means, oh hear me, oh
false God. But people started knowing that
what it meant. And then because in Hebrew, the
way it's written and they changed it to now they just say
three times, they raise their hands and say, oh God, here are
the words of my mouth. And that's in the ceremony when
they're doing it because somebody asked about that, but
they do it over a book of names. So if anybody ever says, oh, oh
not can I pray for you, they'll say, can I put your name on the
temple list? Say no.
That's the list in the middle, the guy holding that book in the
center. Is the list of the names of all
the people like that are sick or problem or whatever their
grandma called in or whatever, whatever.
They put your name in there and they do that chanting over the
book. So don't say.
Yeah, yeah, that's how they help people out, apparently.
You know what? I wanted to ask you too, maybe.
You'll ask anything idea about it I guess.
Like with their missionary work, I guess I might have something
to do with it as well. But like you had mentioned
earlier about, I think them kind of like preaching to Native
Americans. Yes, Now I know that they also
kind of got huge with Hawaii. Recently and Latin America as
well. Do you think that's like a way
of them of still almost doing the same thing?
But my opinion, I think it's just like grow a cult.
I I actually too feel like it's because they're people to you.
Is there something with Hawaii that you think?
Yeah, I feel like the people that they reach out to the most,
like that, they come, they come as a liar.
You have to understand these young kids don't.
Do you think some young kid at 18 is studying this like I am?
No, he didn't. He went and did the stuff and
thought just like I did. This is weird.
My grandma said don't worry, it gets better.
You'll get used to it. That's it.
Literally. So you move on with your life
and you do this. It's not like you go once and
you're done. No, no, no.
Then you do all the genealogy. This is why they're so big into
genealogy for all of your family.
And they get every name that's ever been born and breathe the
breath on this earth. And they put it in the temple
records for you to go do that for them.
All of them. All the sigil magic, all the
crap. All the marriages, all the
baptisms. Everything for dead people.
And I know they did Hitler as well, by the way.
They got in trouble for it, so and then oh, and they started
doing all the Jews. Yeah, that died.
Over their faith. And there was a huge problem
with that the Jew, the Jews were like, Nope.
And they started getting their butt sewed off and they stopped.
So after that that was enough of that like they overstepped
boundaries on that one and there was a court intervention to stop
that to cease and desist on that.
And that is so wrong. They they died for what they
believed. You don't do that.
But so to your question, the preaching is these kids really
go out there and say you can be with your family forever.
You can be with your wife for time and all eternity.
They want to hit on the people that are super family focused.
And Polynesians are very family focused and so are Latin people.
They're very into the whole, like, you know, unit of family
and keeping like grandmas and grandpas and extended and all
that. And I think they know it.
I think that's why they hit with that.
Because if their great grandpa died and they miss them a whole
bunch, they're like, oh, you'll be with him again and oh, in the
celestial, maybe in one of the kingdoms, because there's three.
You don't just have to. They always one up everything.
There's not even just one heaven.
I heard that Mormonism is really big in Brazil.
It is because, again, you're talking to what Latin
communities that are very like, they take care of their
grandmas, they take care of their grandpas, they take care
of, you know. Well then, like with the whole,
like not allowing black people into the church for so long, it
became problematic because a lot of people in Brazil have mixed
heritage. So then they made the rule,
like, if you're of African heritage, yeah, can be part of
the church, but a lot of Brazilians probably are not
African. They they allow anybody.
So now it's like, but that's the problem when you have like a
different profit, like all the time and like, right, this just
be like, Oh well, I have a revelation.
Yeah, that's what they. Do this is OK.
That's what That's OK, right? They they didn't do it till
segregation ended. And and then there were a whole
bunch of people upset about it. There's a whole thing.
There's many. Like, not just one.
There are many editions of something called the Journal of
Discourses. And that is everything that
prophets have ever said that they changed.
So like, if they're like, oh, he was wrong, but This is why.
But blah blah, but we took it out, blah, blah, blah.
Like it's all these things and there's so many of them.
I don't even know how many versions there are now.
It'd take you a lifetime to go through them.
And they lock all those up. They lock them up and and they
try to take him down. They're they're not one of the
richest churches for no reason. And they're smart.
They're no fool. And then on top of it, with the
Masonic hand shakes and Masonic ties, they can get in there with
big players in the world. I believe the Mormons are
running things right along with the assault.
Yeah, no, I I have said that plenty of times.
I mean, they own, like I said, they own like a fifth, I think,
of the private property in the United States.
I think they own the most orange fields in the United States, in
Florida. I mean they're like, you know,
like I had mentioned something, I don't know what it is, but I
do think that might be something up with Hawaii and I think that
has to do with the cultism. I I'm almost positive that when
the the Shriners were coming over from a trip to Hawaii, they
came up with the idea of the Order of Quatsico on their boat.
Oh, the Mormons and Quatzicodal, They they Yeah, they're.
Seeing there's Mormons who actually go to that pyramid and
walk it because of Quatzicodal and then still so does the Order
of Quatzicodal, which is may sign an inner and inner order of
the Shriners or Meeson still, yeah, very, very weird
connections with that. And then you mentioned Brazil,
and like Brazil, in my opinion, you know, not saying it's go to
bed, depending on how you look at things, is a hotbed of
occultism and spiritualism. And it's like you have them
going over there and they're, they're probably excuses.
Oh, we got to go save them from their horrible right, Save them.
But like I don't buy that. And if they see all this weird
stuff, if they are into a tribal or a an occultic type mindset, I
think it's easier to bring them in, you know, And then and I I
really think it's like an easier transition for somebody because
they see, oh, well, they believe in this or they believe in that
or they believe that God isn't just the Trinity.
Like they believe in separate gods.
Oh, what does that mean? You know, like, is this more
acceptable? I feel like it's like more.
It's like more accepting. But you have to also remember
that they make you feel so loved and so, like, you're everything
until you get to a certain level.
And they still do that. But then you're so watched.
Everything is regimented. Everything is watched.
Everything is how are you doing this?
How are you doing that? Do your kids go to every
activity do? Are you?
I mean, there it's something every day, almost of the week.
It's it's like you know young men's meeting, young women's
meeting, primary meeting, church on Sunday, relief society
meeting for the moms. Don't forget the priesthood
meetings for the dads. Then we have to go and do our
visiting teaching which you have to go together with a partner
and go do teaching to other people in the church and then
you have to go. I mean it's like, it's the it's,
it's the most busiest miserable and you're hot because you got
got the garments on. So you're like, I don't think I
was ever more hot, miserable or sick in my life.
And you're just weighed down and you never feel good enough
because they don't want you to. They do everything with guilt,
you know, They want you to feel like bad, like, Oh my gosh, I
broke down and had a cup of coffee.
I'm going straight to hell for that one.
Like, not normal things, you know, that's not normal.
But hey, enjoy a Coke because we own the company.
So. Like, it's like the nicest mafia
in the world. It's like they are a mafia.
Smile and then just. Yeah.
And have you seen how they speak?
Like there's something called General conference that happens
a couple times a year and it's when everybody stays home and
everybody's to watch the TV, everyone, anyone in the church
must watch. It's the prophets going to talk
and address, address the members, the either the Quorum
of the 70, the Quorum of the 12 or the Prophet.
And there's a Godhead on that too.
There's three and then there's 12, just like the apostles, and
then there's 70, right. So that's how it is.
And you have to go and listen to them talk and speak about
whatever they've got on their mind.
But everybody's supposed to do it, and they speak like this,
and they're so nice and sweet. They're white and delightsome,
too. And it's just like the strangest
thing. It's so unnatural masculinity.
It's not even as a child I was like, what's wrong with him?
You know, Like, I mean, you just feel that it's not normal.
Like, even as a kid I was always like, wow, he is weird, you
know? And to this day, I don't.
I my husband works in a mine and wears work boots.
I'm one. I just like guys that are one
step above Neanderthal. Like I want nothing.
I want nothing to do with the white and delight some sweet and
innocent little, you know, it's just too much, I guess.
He is super white. He has a redhead.
But yeah, my husband and my exhusband, Ginger.
I got a got a ginger thing. Something I wanted to ask you.
You mentioned it before only because of I guess time
constraints. I don't have much time to go
into it too much. But I somebody brought it up in
the Chad and it it was something that actually was going through
my mind especially when you mentioned that you were Mick
Mack. I had somebody come on the
occult rejects I think for a two or three port series my boy
Thresh. And we covered Native Americans.
And there was a lot of symbolism and stuff that they use that you
see crossover right into a cult I.
Bet you know, and I'm not going to start with the chicken or the
egg, whichever came first, but there is.
They are using the same symbols well, and that's why I'm a
little bit Mick Mack is because my great, great, great, great.
I mean, even in my DNA it's like you're a Mormon settler, like
boom. It's like that generational
curse was super fun to work on. But anyway, he was a missionary
in Canada trying to convert people and he married a Mick
Mack Princess. And so that's why I know that
and it did come up on my DNA. It didn't come up as Native
American. It came up as Aboriginal
Canadian. So it's definitely a true story.
I mean it was, I was always kind of like with my mom, she's super
brown. I'm super white and I'm like,
sure, mom, you're just trying to figure it out like, but they but
they all are. They all are like not super.
I would say like you like nice olive skin.
They tan, they got nice dark hair.
I'm like, I came out and I'm like dirty blonde, green eyes,
super white. And they're like, what happened
to that one? I'm sure that oh she's white and
delights them. No, she can stay.
It's a strange and I have so many other things I could like I
sent you a whole bunch of things.
But like when you're trying to and you said this in one of your
skinwalker episodes, when you're trying to break this down, it
could go everywhere. Like it's so much.
I could probably do A10 part series on Mormonism if I
arranged it correctly and went through each thing.
But what? How do you even get there?
You know it's so much. It's like.
Just even watching, like, even with those ancestry sites you
were talking about, I was using those things and like literally
looking at like, lists of ships that came over here with like
them just piling, which is I thought was another weird thing.
Joseph Smith started it here, but yet we had tons of people
from Europe coming over here to join, right?
Right. No, I think I honestly.
A lot of boats were leaving from Liverpool, coming straight to
New York and and guess what? My other ancestry is almost
completely Welsh and English, Scottish and Irish.
Like it's like a little bit Scottish, Irish and a ton Welsh
and English and and you're right.
And it's really an odd I don't believe I know this.
I'm a conspiracy theorist. Whatever.
I don't believe this story of America is what they say it is
at all, at all. And I won't say the pledge even
though I love America and I love my every person in my family
served and my brother died and he was in the Navy and like all
my uncles, one of them's a Green Beret and he's like airborne and
like a big deal. And by the way, he agrees with
me and he's done super secret missions.
But anyways, I believe in all of the men and people that it's
just like the Mormon church, like the cool or good, but the
top. Top, it's no way, you know?
And I, my son's the same way. He won't do the pledge.
He won't. He's like, I'm not swearing to
anything that's not God. Like that's not God.
I'm not. And he's right.
You know, it's Mason. It's Masonic.
And I think there's a lot more that there were people here.
I think. I don't think there was.
Not not just Native Americans, I think.
They've even shown like proof of like is free the Vikings.
The Knights Templar like actually like building stuff
here. Prior, if you just going, you
know, I don't think they ship the Statue of Liberty here.
That's a bullcrap story. How?
I thought of that before just going by your the Mormon text,
though I think according to them they were here before
Christopher Columbus. I think they have ideas that
they may have. One group may have went to
Mexico and the other to Canada. They didn't.
They kind of like meet and you had the knee fights and the
other ones and that they're fighting.
They have Lamanites. Yes, the Lamanite.
Yeah, Lamanites. But here's the thing that's.
Another thing, Lamb. You're getting lamb again.
There. The hill, Camorra.
There's no way. It was literally in his
backyard. They the church owns it.
They won't dig it up. They won't show any.
They have no relics. I mean, if all this stuff
happened and that huge war happened that they talk about,
then how come there's no relics? How come we can't prove
anything? How come you know you can do
that with the Bible of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
You can do that with other things.
But he would say things, like about the golden plates.
Oh, well, if you set your eyes upon it, then you'll, you'll die
or whatever. But there were some people that
did and pressed him on it. And then he's like, just
kidding. Those aren't really it.
And I'm like, OK, that was super convenient, you know, And I just
think that what happened was this Lumens guy that came to
town, he was reading Greek to the people there.
And the people were like, Oh my gosh, this guy has this magical
book. Look it, it's this magical book.
And it was like, I can't even remember what Greek book it was.
But it's, it wasn't magical. It was just a book.
And he was reading in Greek. And so I think he saw him doing
that. And the guy did it for like a
year or two and then they ran him out of town.
And I think Joseph Smith saw this and went HM.
Maybe treasure digging is too hard.
I have a bum leg. I'm not doing that.
I'm just gonna do this instead. But I do think he encountered a
creepy Angel, only because I believe Alistair Crowley's story
too, and Scientology and all of it.
And I think what he was doing was he was going out because he
couldn't get the plates for four years.
I think he was summoning, summoning things.
Look at those charts. Look at all the dead people he
said he saw. He wasn't, he wasn't a
necromancee. I mean, like I said, the cult of
Abraxas thing. It makes so much sense that he
was a necromancer demon because. Well, it sounds like he was
crying when he was even just reading the plates.
I mean, it was just like he was crying.
That's what he was doing well and it was automatic driving.
And he said it. Yeah.
And I'm like, that's such a lie. And and he, I mean he said it
was all written originally in Egyptian hieroglyphs, but I
don't believe that. I think it was a Nokian alphabet
because they said they were all symbols.
And then he would translate it later.
And So what he would write down after he put his head in the hat
and get in the dark and think of what do you think of the hat you
see with with magicians and what do they say?
Dabra cadabra. Because they make it so.
And that is a magical word and you know it and it comes from
the House of a BRAC. And it's just too many
coincidences. There's no proof for that other
than there is proof that she was in the House of a BRAC because
she broke. Yeah.
And I'm like, I'm like, there's something going on with that.
Like, you can't. I don't know that you can make
that much up. Like everybody says, oh, he made
it up. I don't think he made it up.
I think there's a lot more to that story.
And same thing with Curly I same thing with Parsons, same thing
with Muhammad, same thing with them all.
Which is why I want to nail down a John D specialist and have a
chat cuz I'm like, hey, there's too much similarities here.
This is weird. Well, you know what, I I do
think it, you know, it's I think you could easily pull this off
like if you were taking an old story or something that's
happened before. Or you wanted to, like,
plagiarize this stuff. Like, if these people are buying
your shit, they're basically like they're in a time in their
life where they're like searching for anything, but it's
like they're trying to find this positive.
Positive God or this positive entity that's going to change
their life. It's not like they're going down
the other Rd. where they're like, oh, I want to like, you
know, get into some dark, deep shit because I'm business,
right? Or whatever.
I'm not looking into a cultism. They're looking for a religion,
you know what I'm saying? They want so these people will
have no idea about the other shit because they not exposed to
it. It's like Christianity on
cocaine, that's what it is. Because it's like elevated.
It's like, OK, I can't be an occult person, but this stuff is
cool And they still believe in Christ, but kind of, because
it's not the same Christ. By the way, the Holy Ghost is
different than Christ. That's different than God.
And they believe God was a man. But don't worry, because someday
you'll get your own planet. And then they retracted that and
I'm like, that's bullshit. I learned that in seminary,
Like, they talk to you about Planet Khlob and that you're
going to go and make spirit children for all your life.
And that's the spirits we bring down.
And that's why they push us having so many babies.
They're like, oh, you want to bring your baby spirits down
from heaven? Because it would.
They believe we live in a preexistence.
They believe we're alive before creation.
And so they have all these stories.
Like, Joseph Smith had an answer for everything.
And for that, my friend, I tip my hat and you can use it to put
your rock in. Because I'm telling you this, he
was one smart cookie. He was no dummy.
I mean if and they say that he was super charismatic, I mean he
had to been 34 wives. You serious?
Like and and even nowadays the way polygamy runs, you can't go
marry somebody else's wife, OK, That's not a thing.
He was sending men on missions, which is where the missioning
started from. He was sending them out to be
missionaries and banging their wives and that's the truth.
He was hooking up with them and marrying them.
Doing what King David did in the Bible.
Yeah, exactly. Yes.
And I'm like, OK, well, you
know, you gotta. And they said you could be in a
room with him and you would leave.
Like all these accounts that people he excommunicated and
treated like crap. They said if you were in a room
alone with him, even if you he owed you money anything you
would leave the room smiling because he was so charming and
I'm like, I bet he was. I bet he was.
And they say it was pretty good looking.
Although I saw a picture and he remarkably from I'll send it to
you looks like Epstein, which is pretty weird.
But I'm like they say he only had eleven children with his
wife. OK, six of them or five of them
died. He has all these other wives and
not one other kid. Bullshit.
Bullshit, they say. Oh, no, no, no.
He didn't have any other kids. He's banging half of the
freaking town. What are you talking about?
Nobody else got pregnant but the one lady that got thrown down
the stairs. Like, no, I highly doubt that.
By the way, she went on to marry Brigham Young.
That Lady, it's a it's a twisted web we weave.
So much drama. Oh, it.
Gets, you know. Really.
You remember? Do you know who Lucy Bigelow
was? Steve Figalo, All right.
Now she she was like an earlier female name, kind of like in the
beginning of Mormonism. But I I was really trying.
I was funny something. Wrote a book that was his
cousin. Tie her to Bob Bigelow from Skim
Walker Ranch. Robert Bigelow.
Yeah, I was just like everybody else.
Everybody else with that ranch has has been a Mormon except for
him. And you got another last name.
That match is a well known man, and I bet he's a Mason if he's
not a Mormon. He's definitely, I definitely
think he's an occultism because like he even like he offered
some like I think it was like $100,000 or something to like
the person who could like write the best I guess thing on their
opinion on is there life after death and if there is So what is
it? And like, just to me, it's like
I think he, I think he wanted to find an occultist.
Well, you know why? Because I think the Kabbalah,
you know, with Joseph Smith and all the degrees of heaven that I
mentioned, it's so similar. I bet you he knows some of this
stuff, this guy, you know, I don't know that guy.
But I've listened to your series on him and I I definitely
believe that This is why I believe it was an Angel.
An Angel magic and weird stuff is because they are too into woo
woo. There's too much going on.
But the Mormon church, the weird occult stuff, the woo woo stuff,
the skinwalker ranch, other things like that, they are too
into it. There is something up there and
Native American stuff too, to go into that because you know that
they they talk to gods. Those are not.
They're they're probably fallen angels or demons, most likely.
I mean, we know that there's power in that.
And the thing that people skip over, they want to talk all
about King James in the Bible, but they sure forgot about the
book on demonology that he wrote.
And it's just as important because here's the thing,
whether if you want to practice it, go ahead.
But if you want to be a Christian, you better know your
enemy. Because why do football people
go study their teams that they're going to go up against
the next week or the next week? Yeah, you got to run the plays
and know who you're facing. Period.
If you don't know anything, good luck.
Good luck to you. Because stuff happens, weird
stuff happens, and this world is not explained like they say it
is. There's no way, there's no way.
I truly believe that there's some weird stuff out there.
But that's just me. I mean, I'm sure you and I'm so
curious when you look at those sigils, what you think later
like if you get time to study and maybe some of them will say
something more on there? I do have someone saying that
that we're looking pentagram might have been the, you know, a
magus symbol. So I will add, right.
I meant to say that before when I saw him.
So it's. So I think he definitely had a
copy of the Magus. And the church goes back and
forth and says he had no way to get it.
And I'm like, bullcrap, what about the guy that came when he
was like 1314, right about the time he said this all happened?
He had been traveling to Europe. He was a doctor.
What are you talking about? He didn't have access.
That guy probably had all kinds of access.
He was the one reading the to people.
Hey, I wish I could remember the book.
It's like a really famous Greek one.
But he was like, people thought he was magical because of it.
They were like, oh look, magical, you know, because he he
could understand it, which is weird.
I don't know all. Right.
I think we'll wrap it up to actually getting pretty close to
the kids coming home. And we've been going on for now,
no, no problem at all. I've enjoyed it.
You know, I probably could have a lot more to tell you someday
if you ever want me back. So.
Yeah, no, like I like I said and you know, you did cover a lot of
it. I was very interested in like
the actual practices in the church and the, you know, that
lot of the ritual stuff cuz you know, I just think it's, you
know, it's peppered with occultism that moment it
definitely, I think you're 100% right.
I'm gonna watch that Gnostic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Check out the beginning of that. They will go through the hands
and signs. And I do think you'll see some
commonalities. Very weird.
That's why.
That's wild. And I do think you're right.
I think they cross and I think there's too many important
Mormons. They're in too many important
like positions. I I'm not buying that.
It's all just innocent. And there's temples like we when
we get if you ever talk to me again or whatever, but or listen
to some of the other ones, there's underground tunnel
systems. There's somebody was just
mentioning that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's stuff.
It's weird. Oh yeah, there was other stuff I
could have gotten into. And I was like that's a whole
other topic if, yeah, that's why I didn't.
I was like if I go there we're going to get way.
It's already hard enough to corral like to stay on topic,
so. Thank you very much.
No, that was great. Thank you so much.
Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me.
Teresa, thank you very much for jumping on.
I didn't get it before. I was gonna have you do it and I
think I just forgot. But you want to plug your show?
Go ahead first. Thank you.
Yeah. So it was really interesting.
Heidi, thank you so much. I thought I knew a lot of, like,
Mormon beliefs, but like, man, you know, my favorite wave
episode? I'm like.
That's crazy. But yeah, thank you.
Yeah. So if people want to hear more
from me, they can see me on the Spiritual Gangsters podcast with
you. And also we have that new
awesome live Monday mornings. Definitely check it out.
So fun. We got a really a lot of good
feedback on the first one, so. Yeah, we did actually.
Yeah, a lot of people enjoyed it, so it was pretty.
Cool. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
We're just like, you know? Make fun of the news.
Basically. You guys are super busy.
I'm like, man, I'm barely keeping up over here.
You guys are? Running.
We try, but yeah, Thank you so much for having me on.
Of course, yeah. Thank you.
It's nice to meet you. And Heidi, let everybody know
where they can find your stuff. And I do have her links in the
OR I'll add them. I think I added them already.
Yeah, I had them prior. They're already out there now,
so all right, I'm at the Unfiltered Rise.
I'm newer to the world. YouTube.
Spotify, Instagram and I think that and tick tock.
That's it for right now, cuz that's all I can juggle.
I didn't do a Facebook or anything yet.
It's too much. I gotta keep up on one thing at
A. I mean an accountant I just
shared it with. I don't even go on.
Yeah, it's so hard. I'm like.
Oh, every once in a while I'll jump on there.
And I mean, this is even for people that might be listening
live if they haven't, you know, hung up already.
On Facebook like a lot of times unfortunately I'll get messages
and I won't see it for like 3 months later cuz like I I
literally just use Facebook just to stream out to I don't check
right? Right.
So, but that's probably good, I understand.
It's just, yeah, that is just, it's like, it's really one of
the more shittier social media, right?
Yeah, I'm surprised you can even put things out sometimes.
They're so bad. Oh, I've had them like, remove
the audio. Oh, we'll keep up the video, but
we're gonna remove the audio. I'm like, what's what's the
point? So.
Weird. No thanks.
You're just saying like. Yeah, we just take it down.
Yeah, that's weird. Just destroy it.
If you're gonna do that, you've already messed it up.
Come on. That's.
Funny. Oh boy.
Well, it was a pleasure and I'm really appreciative.
Anytime you want to hear more Mormon stuff, let me know.
No, no, definitely. I'll definitely have you on for
some Mormon stuff. Maybe even some conspiratorial
Mormon stuff. And if we ever talk about the
FLDS, that's a. Whole see.
Yeah. Yeah, there's this.
Is that one at the same time? Yeah, there, there was a
different, there was a different one that I was like, oh, if I
get into that, that's a whole topic.
So yeah, that I would like to have you maybe come on and talk
about one day. Yeah.
Of course. Awesome.
Thank you. All right.
Thank you very much. And thank you everybody who
jumped in on the live in, in the chat.
That's what's up. I put it, you know, I was
throwing up some of the posts in there.
Thank you, everybody who added to, you know, the guest in and
in the chat. That's what's up.
That's why I like going live and I'll say it again, if you're
checking out the live, check the live chat.
There's always great stuff in there, almost like another whole
separate show going on sometimes.
So yeah, it's pretty cool and I appreciate it.
And that's why I go live. And until the next one, everyone
be well. All right, later.