1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,240 What the? Hell, you're feeling a bit like 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,760 Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole. 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,400 Aren't you ashamed? No, I'm not. 4 00:00:30,180 --> 00:00:33,020 You think you are, lady? You take the blue pill, the 5 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:36,780 story ends. You wake up in your bed and 6 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:41,140 believe whatever you want. You take the red pill, You stay 7 00:00:41,140 --> 00:00:45,460 in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. 8 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:53,300 I think I'm entitled. You want answers? 9 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:53,740 What? The truth? 10 00:00:54,060 --> 00:01:03,790 You can't handle the truth. I'm awake. 11 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:07,910 Are you? Let's go now to our new episode 12 00:01:08,070 --> 00:01:11,070 of The Unfiltered Rise with Me, Heidi Love. 13 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:17,070 In this episode, I got Heidi with me, and she will be, I 14 00:01:17,070 --> 00:01:21,910 guess, explaining her escape from Mormonism in a sense, which 15 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:24,270 I'm very, very excited to have on. 16 00:01:24,270 --> 00:01:26,230 I mean, I think my listeners already know. 17 00:01:26,230 --> 00:01:30,220 I love talking about Mormonism and my opinion before we get 18 00:01:30,220 --> 00:01:32,820 into it. It's just I I think obviously my 19 00:01:32,820 --> 00:01:35,820 listeners already know, but my opinion with Mormonism is that a 20 00:01:35,820 --> 00:01:38,820 cultism may be at the root of it, you know, I think I think 21 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:41,340 that's a huge possibility. So that is kind of one of the 22 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:47,180 reasons why I'm very intrigued by Mormonism and I am also lucky 23 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:52,600 enough to have the one and only Teresa from Spiritual Gangsters 24 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,560 Co hosting with me. What is UP TI? 25 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Have a new one. That's I like it. 26 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Yeah, we all, like, try to think of like new intros for. 27 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Yeah, you have to do the hand sign. 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,400 You have to be like T, right? Yeah, I'm gonna do that. 29 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,680 Yeah, yeah, you did it wrong. I know just. 30 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,480 I'm not. I'm not that. 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,520 No, no, he did it wrong. He didn't do it. 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,480 He did it. Good. 33 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,440 That's funny. You know, my my ghetto side I'm 34 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,240 getting yeah, what's up? From I'm from the trailer park. 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,080 Ghetto is fine. It works. 36 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Yeah, I grew up there. I grew up there. 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,920 So all right, I'm happy. I'm excited to be here. 38 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,760 I'm from the Unfiltered Rise podcast. 39 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,520 I'm newer. But I think I have a lot to say, 40 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,360 which is why I ended up in podcasting on it. 41 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,360 A total accident. I am not. 42 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:47,260 Well, I am now. I was not a podcaster. 43 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:52,500 I actually just took some pictures and sent them to one of 44 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:55,580 my favorite podcasters, which was Josh Monday and Jason at the 45 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:57,420 Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Show. 46 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:01,540 And I said, hey, I saw this at a high school and it's and it's a 47 00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:03,180 famous high school. It's the. 48 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:05,940 High school. They filmed the High School 49 00:03:05,940 --> 00:03:11,260 Musical at in in Salt Lake City and it's ironically right down 50 00:03:11,260 --> 00:03:13,380 from the temple anime Sonic Lodge. 51 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:15,500 But we'll get into that no another day. 52 00:03:16,620 --> 00:03:19,380 So anyways, there's this huge mural on the wall and I was 53 00:03:19,380 --> 00:03:22,220 like, oh, this is creepy and culty and weird. 54 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:24,700 So I sent it to him and I just said this is what's up. 55 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:28,380 And he's like, OK, Isaac Weisop Jr. like you broke that down. 56 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:30,660 Crazy. Like why don't you just come on 57 00:03:30,660 --> 00:03:33,180 the show and talk about it? And I was like because. 58 00:03:33,550 --> 00:03:37,230 I'm not a podcaster. And he's like, well, I don't 59 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:39,510 live in Utah and I don't know a whole lot about Mormons. 60 00:03:39,510 --> 00:03:42,270 So now you are. And I was like, whoa, He's like, 61 00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:46,390 just do a show, you know? So, OK, so I did. 62 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:50,390 And I went on and just thought it was a one and done. 63 00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:56,430 I I had my son's little puzzle light, like and like a phone and 64 00:03:56,430 --> 00:03:57,990 that. I think that was oh, and my 65 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:58,950 earphones. Yeah. 66 00:03:59,780 --> 00:04:01,340 And so we made it through that one. 67 00:04:01,340 --> 00:04:03,900 And then he said, oh, you were Mormon. 68 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:07,380 I love to talk about Mormons. So like, we went on, did a 69 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:10,100 Mormon show, and then we went on again did another Mormon show. 70 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:14,180 So yeah, I think I noticed that on your podcast when I checked 71 00:04:14,180 --> 00:04:16,459 out your podcast. So the Josh Monday episode was 72 00:04:16,459 --> 00:04:17,860 like, you were the guest actually, right? 73 00:04:18,380 --> 00:04:21,740 Yes yes. And so he he just said I want 74 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:25,660 you to know something cuz cuz I know you don't really wanna like 75 00:04:26,020 --> 00:04:29,480 do do this, but like. You had a whole bunch of hits on 76 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,720 this like a lot. And he's like, I think maybe you 77 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,480 should tell your story because maybe you can help people. 78 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,280 Well, he hit me in the in the nurse fields because like that's 79 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:42,760 what I do, right? I help people. 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Like that's my whole I'm very grace driven, mercy motivated 81 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,760 person. And I started thinking about it 82 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,720 and I was like, Dang, and do you ever wonder real quick? 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,720 Do you ever wonder if that came due to being woman? 84 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,680 Actually, that was totally my family. 85 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,240 I can. I can go there. 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Well, could that even be an influence from being Mormon? 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,160 Cuz that's, you know, the whole thing of, like, you're always 88 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,080 there to pamper somebody. Well, and there's only so many 89 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,360 actually acceptable working jobs that you can do outside of your 90 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,160 home as a Mormon, and nursing is one. 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,760 I mean, they're not gonna tell you that. 92 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,320 They're not gonna say that to you. 93 00:05:20,060 --> 00:05:22,140 They're just gonna look at you wrong every time you. 94 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:25,980 Yeah, I had actually. I think what I I could be wrong, 95 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:30,020 but I think I had heard because of that with the jobs and like 96 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:32,100 women, I guess, like in romanism, where there's only 97 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:35,140 certain acceptable jobs. That's why Mlms have become big. 98 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:38,780 Yeah, yeah, because they don't even gotta leave the house now. 99 00:05:38,780 --> 00:05:41,620 I don't know that. And they're legal in Utah. 100 00:05:42,220 --> 00:05:45,820 Yep, you have to. You have to stay. 101 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:48,790 Well, you don't, okay. Listen, they don't bring out 102 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:51,350 some doctrine that says you have to stay home, Okay. 103 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:54,270 I don't want to misrepresent anything because I want to be 104 00:05:54,270 --> 00:05:57,830 truthful. They strongly encourage you that 105 00:05:57,830 --> 00:06:01,950 your job is in the home because that that's like it's very a 106 00:06:01,950 --> 00:06:05,190 patriarchal, like, you know thing. 107 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:09,070 They're like the men are the men, the women, there's roles. 108 00:06:09,190 --> 00:06:13,750 And so I always kind of missed it like because. 109 00:06:14,350 --> 00:06:16,070 I took care of everyone, even as a kid. 110 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:18,870 And I'm like, yeah, the dad at my house sucked, so I don't 111 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:23,790 think so, you know, like and so I was always different and it 112 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:26,670 and I felt it, you know, I I felt that hard. 113 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:31,030 But so growing up, if you don't fit the stereotypical mold, if 114 00:06:31,030 --> 00:06:33,830 you're not stereotypical wife, if you're not the perfect 115 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:37,750 person, whatever whatever it becomes, there's not shunning 116 00:06:37,750 --> 00:06:40,790 per se until later. They're not quite like Jehovah's 117 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:44,250 Witnesses that way. But there is definitely look 118 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:48,010 looking down like oh, she doesn't do this or oh, if you 119 00:06:48,010 --> 00:06:50,170 haven't been to the temple, you you don't have the special 120 00:06:50,170 --> 00:06:51,890 underwear. So you're not as good as I am. 121 00:06:51,890 --> 00:06:56,850 So you know, and then it it becomes very materialistic to be 122 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:58,490 quite honest. And we'll get there too. 123 00:06:58,490 --> 00:07:02,210 But it's very being in the Mormon Church is like being on 124 00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:04,370 the Kardashians, but really, really moral. 125 00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:07,360 So. God, I love that. 126 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,400 I'm like, what did she wear to church? 127 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Oh my God, she bought a dress with no shoulders. 128 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,880 And yeah, it's a whole big deal. So you know what I have found 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 interesting? Whenever I have seen like Mormon 130 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,400 families, like on TV or like on reality TV, they got fucking 131 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,280 money. Oh yeah, well, it is the richest 132 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,720 church for a reason, but I don't think it is as much because of 133 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,880 church influence. It's because of Masonic. 134 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:36,180 Type crap where they all help each other out. 135 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:40,300 So it's just like the Masons, they all help each other out. 136 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:41,780 They know those handshakes, by the way. 137 00:07:41,780 --> 00:07:44,420 We have them too. We're missing two of them, but 138 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:46,620 we have those handshakes. I'll get into that. 139 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:51,020 But yeah, we they all help each other out, you know that's what 140 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:52,820 it is. If you're if you're good enough, 141 00:07:52,860 --> 00:07:56,140 if you give enough money, if you're if there's a lot of ifs 142 00:07:56,140 --> 00:07:59,100 involved. So better mind your P's and q's 143 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:02,830 and not have any coffee. So if you if you don't if you 144 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:06,510 don't mind maybe I'm give the listeners a little bit of a just 145 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:09,550 an idea I I you might have mentioned it already I know we 146 00:08:09,550 --> 00:08:13,550 spoke about it beforehand you were born into Mormonism so I 147 00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:16,190 think that's a difference if you could just like also just I 148 00:08:16,190 --> 00:08:19,190 guess give people just a basic idea of like you know I guess 149 00:08:19,190 --> 00:08:22,310 how long you were in. It I was in, oh, I was in. 150 00:08:23,030 --> 00:08:26,630 OK, so I was born into it. However, my parents were what we 151 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:28,630 like to call Jack Mormon, and I forget like. 152 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:31,850 It's kind of funny because I become the Mormon expert. 153 00:08:31,850 --> 00:08:34,409 And I I told Josh, I'm like, oh, I'm not an expert. 154 00:08:34,409 --> 00:08:36,210 He's like, uh, like, yes, you are. 155 00:08:36,210 --> 00:08:39,650 You know, a lot of stuff like, but in Utah, it's not. 156 00:08:39,650 --> 00:08:41,650 It's like everyone knows the stuff. 157 00:08:41,650 --> 00:08:47,130 So Jack, Mormons are something we call people that go to church 158 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:50,330 once in a great while, like Christmas, maybe Easter. 159 00:08:50,330 --> 00:08:53,410 We were laughing about that. It's just like, they just don't 160 00:08:53,410 --> 00:08:56,290 go, but they kind of live it. But I'll tell you what, I've had 161 00:08:56,290 --> 00:08:58,850 some arguments with Jack Mormons and. 162 00:08:59,490 --> 00:09:02,130 They almost have a stronger testimony than the people that 163 00:09:02,130 --> 00:09:04,490 are there every day of the week because they're like, they will 164 00:09:04,490 --> 00:09:07,010 fight you to the death. And I'm like, you don't even go. 165 00:09:07,090 --> 00:09:09,290 You're smoking a cigarette and having a coffee. 166 00:09:09,570 --> 00:09:11,730 What are you talking about? And they're like, blah, blah, 167 00:09:11,730 --> 00:09:12,850 blah. I don't know if it's because 168 00:09:12,850 --> 00:09:15,890 they feel bad or. But yeah, my husband always 169 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:18,050 laughs about that. He's like, you're going to argue 170 00:09:18,050 --> 00:09:19,890 with somebody that's never going to back down. 171 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:23,160 It'll be a Jack Mormon, so. I was born into it. 172 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 I was blessed into it. You get blessed as a baby, kind 173 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,360 of like the Catholics do the little baptism for their babies. 174 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,680 We do a blessing. We don't do any water baptizing. 175 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:36,600 We just get a name that the men all stand up in a circle and put 176 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,720 the baby in the middle and they all raise their hands to the 177 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,840 square and put put it on each other's shoulders and do a 178 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,080 priesthood blessing. And you can't be in the circle 179 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,840 unless you're a melchized priesthood holder. 180 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,960 So I was blessed into it, and then at 8 years old I was 181 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,330 baptized. And I was pretty much active my 182 00:09:55,330 --> 00:09:57,450 whole life, even though my parents weren't, because I had 183 00:09:57,450 --> 00:10:00,530 some really nice neighbors. Now that's one thing I want to 184 00:10:00,530 --> 00:10:04,570 say before we get too deep is that Mormon people are awesome. 185 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:07,170 Most of them. They're nice people. 186 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:09,090 It's the same thing. It's the same thing. 187 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:12,250 And I I purposes myself and I've said it before, even on my own 188 00:10:12,290 --> 00:10:14,810 shows, even. I'm talking about like even 189 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:18,290 people in the OTO or the Masons. Yeah, for the most part, they're 190 00:10:18,290 --> 00:10:21,010 actually not like the thing, the people that are involved with 191 00:10:21,010 --> 00:10:22,770 making this world, right. That's nothing. 192 00:10:23,130 --> 00:10:24,170 They have nothing to do with them. 193 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:27,610 And the Masons are encouraged to be good to their brother and and 194 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:29,850 help people. And they have like charities and 195 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:32,450 you know, I mean they're encouraged to help their fellow 196 00:10:32,450 --> 00:10:34,170 man. I've checked into it like it's 197 00:10:34,170 --> 00:10:36,670 very. It's very similar like that, but 198 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:39,150 like the normal person just going to church. 199 00:10:39,270 --> 00:10:42,110 I didn't know a lot of this stuff until I was out. 200 00:10:42,630 --> 00:10:45,790 So like, you go backwards and start wondering. 201 00:10:45,790 --> 00:10:47,990 My whole thing was I want to know what the hell happened to 202 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:51,470 me in the temple because I knew it was weird and I was like, OK, 203 00:10:51,470 --> 00:10:54,390 that's not good. So at 17, long story I did 204 00:10:54,390 --> 00:10:59,350 seminary my whole I graduated from seminary, so I did four 205 00:10:59,350 --> 00:11:02,950 years of. Seminary teaching of Mormon 206 00:11:02,950 --> 00:11:05,110 teaching. We go to school and we take one 207 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:07,350 period out, either before school, in school or after 208 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:11,750 school to do. It's like catechism and we just 209 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:15,750 go for four years and learn everything about the church. 210 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:19,030 Then the boys go on a mission as soon as they graduate, usually 211 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:21,270 about 19. They go for two years. 212 00:11:21,270 --> 00:11:23,710 They dedicate their life. They pay for those missions, by 213 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:27,440 the way. No, that's a whole big thing. 214 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,720 They have to pay. They set a certain amount. 215 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,480 So like if some kid goes to Japan, he still pays the same 216 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,880 amount as a kid in Iowa. OK, Like, it's not, it's not 217 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,920 terrible. I think the church does move the 218 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,960 money around a little, but. Not probably as much as what. 219 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,720 I'm sure they own all the properties. 220 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,760 I'm sure they're making money. I I don't even want to go there 221 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,120 because that would that will be all the whole episode. 222 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,440 But so that happens to them and they can't date. 223 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,520 They can't talk to women like other than without a companion. 224 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,600 They talk to their families. It used to only be on Christmas 225 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,000 and Mother's Day but they had to change it because too many 226 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,200 people were having mental breakdown. 227 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Go figure, send a little kid out into the world. 228 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,200 That's not, like ever been away from his parents. 229 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:13,230 And then they have to be with their companion everywhere they 230 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:15,630 go. So, like, except the bathroom 231 00:12:16,030 --> 00:12:19,190 and they go through the temple and they have their little 232 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:22,070 stuff. And then they they go and teach 233 00:12:22,110 --> 00:12:24,390 new members. They're the door knockers, like 234 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:27,430 the Jehovah's Witnesses. So they do that for two years. 235 00:12:27,430 --> 00:12:29,670 Girls can go, but they can't go till they're 21. 236 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:32,350 So they really strongly encourage us to get married. 237 00:12:32,590 --> 00:12:34,310 That's why we can't go till we're 21. 238 00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:36,830 They won't tell you that. They won't say you can't go 239 00:12:36,830 --> 00:12:39,350 till. They just say, oh, that's just 240 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:41,540 because. We all know what it's for. 241 00:12:42,340 --> 00:12:46,020 So at 17, like every good Mormon girl, I got married. 242 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:49,260 I was a childhood bride. I wasn't graduated high school. 243 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:51,620 My parents had to sign for me and he was 25. 244 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:54,420 Yes, we get to choose our own husbands. 245 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:55,940 No, we're not pushed in anything. 246 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:59,500 My grandpa was just a little crazy about like, he found out 247 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:03,300 we were messing around and he was like, well, 25 year old man, 248 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:05,980 you can marry my daughter or you can go to prison. 249 00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:08,660 He was mad. He was so mad. 250 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,480 But we were already like. Into it. 251 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,240 We we liked each other and it was fine at the time. 252 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,680 Now I'm like, stupidest. I mean, it was senior prom and 253 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:19,080 I'm getting married. Yeah, so good. 254 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,560 Like dumbest decision I ever made. 255 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Oh, my gosh. And if I, if I didn't have my 256 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,400 beautiful children from him, literally because I was like, so 257 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,520 such a messed up person because of my family, that I was like, 258 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:33,640 oh, he's bipolar. It's fine. 259 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,800 He's bipolar. He takes his pills and he was 260 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,280 just out of alcohol rehab and he doesn't have a car and he's 261 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,360 divorced and has a. Kid. 262 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,840 And yeah, it's fine. It's fine. 263 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,600 I'm 20. 5. Make it Yeah. 264 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,280 And he was in the Air Force, which was the only thing that 265 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,200 was going for him. But he was a good guy for a long 266 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,320 time until. And I shit you not this really 267 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,400 happened. And no, this isn't normal. 268 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,240 And no, they shouldn't do this. I lost my husband to a 269 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,320 polygamist girl and she was already married and she was the 270 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,000 third wife. They just work together. 271 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,040 And I'm like, you've. Yeah, Your face was my face. 272 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,000 I was like, you're leaving me for a little house on the 273 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,440 Prairie. Like what? 274 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,600 She's like, is she was she gonna leave the other dude or no, I 275 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,890 don't. She never did. 276 00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:25,370 And he was super abusive, but she was like a defective wife. 277 00:14:25,370 --> 00:14:27,890 So I think she felt bad because she was the secretary at his 278 00:14:27,890 --> 00:14:30,730 work. And so I think she felt bad 279 00:14:30,730 --> 00:14:33,450 because she lost her uterus after her first child. 280 00:14:33,770 --> 00:14:35,530 Well, that's that's like, oh, that's. 281 00:14:35,530 --> 00:14:38,170 What she meant by defective? She's defective. 282 00:14:38,170 --> 00:14:39,570 Yeah. She can have any more babies 283 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:42,570 than she's the youngest wife. And that's what her job was. 284 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:44,850 You know, like your job is to have babies. 285 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:49,050 If you're the youngest wife, so did you ever so she sorry to 286 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:51,650 interrupt you some of the things that you're saying. 287 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:54,170 Stranger than fiction, man. I'm no, it's just bringing me 288 00:14:54,170 --> 00:14:56,690 back to like ideas of Handmaid's Tale that show that. 289 00:14:56,850 --> 00:15:00,250 Oh, I felt like if you couldn't have kids, you're you're getting 290 00:15:00,250 --> 00:15:01,410 thrown. I mean, you're. 291 00:15:01,530 --> 00:15:02,970 Practical To the wolves, Yeah, yeah. 292 00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:05,650 She was, and she was a pretty girl. 293 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:07,290 She was young. She was nice. 294 00:15:07,290 --> 00:15:10,730 I mean, Ish. I was mad, so whatever, you 295 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:13,090 know? But like, she kept doing it. 296 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:17,510 So it was, yeah. I mean, the cops came. 297 00:15:17,510 --> 00:15:22,110 We'll just end it with the cops came because I the second time I 298 00:15:22,110 --> 00:15:24,030 was like, the first time I was nice. 299 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:27,790 Now I'm pissed. So that was enough of that. 300 00:15:27,790 --> 00:15:29,830 And he ended up back on meth and in the streets. 301 00:15:29,830 --> 00:15:32,470 I couldn't even get him to divorce him for two years. 302 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:34,950 I was like and then I got punished for that, so. 303 00:15:36,420 --> 00:15:38,420 Get into that one too, about the temple. 304 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:43,020 So I grew up like that. My family was a wreck so I 305 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:45,500 really leaned on the church because they really are there 306 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:49,380 for you. Like everything before you go to 307 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:53,340 the temple is amazing, OK? Everything before you go there 308 00:15:53,340 --> 00:15:58,300 is like you have church meeting and then you have primary for 309 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:01,660 kids and they sing and it's great and it's very 310 00:16:01,660 --> 00:16:04,820 indoctrinating. No, when you say temple, I just. 311 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:08,140 I just want to. Pick the picture in the list. 312 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:09,740 Yeah, the temple. Are you talking about like those 313 00:16:09,740 --> 00:16:11,500 big, nice fancy ones? Or are you talking? 314 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:15,300 About them. So you were so now I thought I 315 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:17,660 could be wrong. I thought you actually had to be 316 00:16:17,660 --> 00:16:20,020 like kind of important or be up there in the Mormon church to 317 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:22,190 even attend those temples. Nope. 318 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:26,310 OK, So what you have to be is you have to be worthy. 319 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:29,230 They call it worthy. So every church member has the 320 00:16:29,230 --> 00:16:31,430 opportunity. Whether you have status, wealth, 321 00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:33,750 whatever it does, that doesn't matter to them. 322 00:16:34,070 --> 00:16:36,070 But you have to pay your tithing. 323 00:16:36,070 --> 00:16:40,510 So even if you're broke, they'll tell you you pay your tithing 324 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:43,740 the 10%. And I'm like, well, then we 325 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:47,260 won't have food. Like, I'm 17 and he's the broke 326 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,900 idiot, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't know. 327 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:53,660 And we're living like, it's not good. 328 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:56,940 And he's like, no, no, you pay the tithing, we'll give you 329 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:59,060 food. Or we'll help you with rent. 330 00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:01,460 Or we'll help you. That's right, they still want 331 00:17:01,460 --> 00:17:03,140 you to pay this hiding no matter what. 332 00:17:03,260 --> 00:17:08,020 No matter what. So it's all about OBD wait, So 333 00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:11,020 they'd rather wait. So they still want you to tie, 334 00:17:11,060 --> 00:17:13,460 but then if they have to give you money, they'll still give it 335 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:15,400 to you. But I. 336 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Guarantee you. They give you like food like 337 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,760 good. I guarantee you that somehow. 338 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,440 Some tax type of shit right there. 339 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,240 Well, and you have to go work at the Bishops Storehouse and help 340 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,000 can the food or do some work or whatever. 341 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,040 And then you also, like we ended up being janitors for free. 342 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,920 Like they get all this stuff for free for people that they help, 343 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,520 so they trade everything for their buildings. 344 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:41,770 All their maintenance, all all their upkeep. 345 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:44,810 I was scrubbing toilets for that cottage cheese like it. 346 00:17:44,810 --> 00:17:49,610 Nothing is free, you know, And so, I mean, maybe sometimes they 347 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:53,650 do it just for a write off. But yeah, and so you have to 348 00:17:53,650 --> 00:17:55,850 have that. You have to not break the word 349 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:58,810 of wisdom, which is coffee, tea, smoking. 350 00:17:58,810 --> 00:18:01,970 You have to be chased. I guess my exhusband missed that 351 00:18:01,970 --> 00:18:03,940 one. You're not supposed to be having 352 00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:06,260 sex with other people. Stuff like that. 353 00:18:06,780 --> 00:18:08,660 What's what? The coffee tea thing. 354 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:12,380 So, and smoking. Yeah, drugs. 355 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:14,780 Anything. Well, actually, so many people 356 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:17,340 get this wrong. So this is what the actual word 357 00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:20,220 is. The word isn't caffeine at all. 358 00:18:20,660 --> 00:18:24,860 And actually the real word, the real word is you should not have 359 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:27,700 hot drinks. Well, back then. 360 00:18:27,860 --> 00:18:31,720 And and the cold brew is OK. Yeah, right. 361 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,280 So I'm like and they have hot chocolate, which has way more 362 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,400 caffeine in it than a cup of coffee, if you really. 363 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,280 So they actually manufacture hot cocoa, so in their Bishop's 364 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,200 storehouse. So it is not. 365 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,720 And they own cocacola. Don't let them fool you. 366 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,810 So I don't really wait. So I bought this product that my 367 00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:55,450 friend sells, and then I realized afterwards that it's 368 00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:58,490 probably a Mormon MLM. Once I got yeah, I think it was 369 00:18:58,490 --> 00:19:00,690 a total Utah. I was like, hello. 370 00:19:01,690 --> 00:19:03,930 But the patch? Yeah, the TH. 371 00:19:04,250 --> 00:19:08,770 No, it's called Amare Amare Global and it's like a 372 00:19:08,770 --> 00:19:11,770 neurotropic, so it's a drink mix. 373 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,520 You put the cup in your drink and it gives you a caffeine like 374 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,440 effect without caffeine and that makes sense. 375 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,720 Yes. And also somebody just chatted 376 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,000 in that he he saw people back in the day have spittoons. 377 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,360 And he's not wrong. And this is what happened with 378 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,360 the smoking. It used to be okay to have 379 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,560 tobacco products, but his they used to do the meetings in his 380 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,330 home, in Joseph Smith's home. And his wife got so sick of 381 00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:41,090 cleaning up the floor because the men would spit on the floor 382 00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:44,650 that Joseph Smith wrote that he had a revelation that nobody 383 00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:47,530 should have tobacco anymore. Because back then, cigarettes 384 00:19:47,530 --> 00:19:52,170 were not really a thing as much. It was like a pipe or, you know, 385 00:19:52,330 --> 00:19:54,170 The Chew. And it was messy. 386 00:19:54,370 --> 00:20:01,090 So I'm like, OK, that's fun. So I'm like, you can't have any 387 00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:01,890 of that. Yeah. 388 00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:03,970 Wow and. You. 389 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,560 Yep, you can't. So. 390 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,640 But now it's translated so everything changes in the 391 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,080 church, right? So eventually they're like, OK, 392 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:16,400 now we have Cold Brute, like your like teas or coffee. 393 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,160 Whatever. OK, so now they're like, ooh, uh 394 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,960 oh, we better not have caffeine. It kind of got twisted. 395 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,360 But they don't say that. They just say, well, you can't 396 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:31,760 drink coffee and tea, but you can go drink ginseng tea or you 397 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,040 can drink whatever else. You know, so they don't care 398 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,840 about that. And then it's like very all of 399 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,640 Mormonism. There's always an exception to 400 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,840 the rule, like it is so and they'll change it constantly, 401 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,480 which we'll talk about, but so you have to do that. 402 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,000 And you go in and have a meeting with your Bishop and you talk to 403 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,600 him about all the things and they like. 404 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,840 And this used to happen to me even as a kid, because when 405 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,240 you're 12, you go do baptisms for the dead and you have to 406 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,160 have this same interview. So the Bishop, like, nicely sits 407 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,640 there. You're all alone 12/13/14. 408 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,200 And he's like, so do you masturbate? 409 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,560 So if you do masturbate, how do you masturbate? 410 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,640 And what did you think of and how did you do it and what did 411 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,600 you do? And did you use lotion and like? 412 00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:19,780 I'm serious. And it got real creepy. 413 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:23,940 And I think there was a lot of people that flipped out like 414 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:27,420 parents eventually. Not in my era. 415 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:30,940 They kept on going with it and I was like, so the first thing you 416 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:33,660 learn in Mormonism is you must be perfect. 417 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,830 And I don't do anything. Forget it. 418 00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:37,830 You don't. You're not going to go back in 419 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:40,430 there and say that again. Like, that's so weird. 420 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:42,790 And so you just start lying like crazy. 421 00:21:42,790 --> 00:21:45,310 And everybody's supposed to be this morally clean and half the 422 00:21:45,310 --> 00:21:48,070 girls end up pregnant. So I'm like, yeah, great, okay, 423 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:51,710 whatever, you know? So you have to have that. 424 00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:54,630 What else? You have to be a full tied pair. 425 00:21:55,870 --> 00:21:59,230 And when I say a full tied pair, they sit you down at tax season. 426 00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:03,220 And they take you your financials and you sit down with 427 00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:06,260 them and they look at your gross income, not your net. 428 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:09,780 And they go over if you actually did it and if you didn't do it, 429 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:11,580 you have to, you have to pay it back. 430 00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:15,540 You're deficited to the church, and they're like, worse than the 431 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:17,820 IRS. Yeah, they're way worse. 432 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:21,660 And so they want to know all the things about everything about 433 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:25,860 your whole entire life. And so that's fun. 434 00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:27,940 And then you're not supposed to, you know. 435 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,640 Do drugs but not, not pharmaceutical drugs. 436 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,000 And you're not supposed to get tattoos, but you can have breast 437 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,600 implants but. And every woman in the church 438 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,800 does. I'll tell you, like I said about 439 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,080 the Kardashians, it'll it'll come up like everybody is like, 440 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,800 so perfect and they're women, like constantly. 441 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,040 You're having mental breakdowns. Everybody's depressed. 442 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,600 And the church owns stock in pharmaceuticals. 443 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,960 So when we'd started getting like approved everywhere, you 444 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,000 know? Utah was one of the last people, 445 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,720 and even now it's only approved for medical and they almost make 446 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,520 it like impossible for normal people. 447 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,160 Like, it's $250 to get your medical card and you have to re 448 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,920 up it every three months for $250. 449 00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:13,550 Yeah. And then you can't. 450 00:23:13,550 --> 00:23:16,110 That doesn't cover the weed. That's just the card. 451 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:19,630 And then you go in to the pharmacy to get your weed and 452 00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:22,870 you can only buy it from the pharmacy and it's like highly 453 00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:24,310 expensive. Oh, out here. 454 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:26,630 It's not even worth it. I've taken a look at some of the 455 00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:28,630 shops that are out here. I'll still get off the garden 456 00:23:28,670 --> 00:23:31,190 streets. Yeah, it's more expensive and 457 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:34,390 it's not as good. And I'm like This is why? 458 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:36,910 And the thing that weirds me out is like, these things are also, 459 00:23:36,910 --> 00:23:38,190 like, regulated by the government. 460 00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:39,550 It's like. Yeah, yeah. 461 00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:41,310 What's in there? Who knows, you know? 462 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:42,710 I'm like, I've never even heard it. 463 00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:44,710 It's like you go to look these companies up and you don't even 464 00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:46,350 find them online. Yep. 465 00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:50,310 And then so once once you do all this, you may as well take that 466 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:52,710 damn pill because and the church wants you to. 467 00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:55,390 They're real funny about it because they own stock in a lot 468 00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,430 of pharmaceuticals and they actually came out to their 469 00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:02,630 congregation. Can we say like the vid stuff or 470 00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:05,350 should I like code word it? Okay. 471 00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:08,310 So the thing that from 2020 that will never go away, they 472 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:11,230 actually came out and said to every single member that they 473 00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:15,830 should get the thing that cures it, cures it in church, in 474 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:17,870 church. So many people that were 475 00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:21,390 completely against it went and did it and did it to their 476 00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:24,320 children and did it. In general, and because they 477 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,600 want to follow the prophet, the prophet knows everything. 478 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,800 But also the prophet's just a man if he's wrong and you can't 479 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,920 blame him. So I don't know which one it is, 480 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,480 but that's what they always say, Like they always are. 481 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,960 Like, well, he's the prophet and he's divinely, you know, put in 482 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,640 his place and he's called of God and blah blah blah. 483 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600 And then you're like, oh OK, he knows everything then and then 484 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,600 they're like, Oh no, but he, if he's wrong, he's just a man. 485 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,000 But what does the Bible say if a prophet's wrong once? 486 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:54,210 And everything he says is wrong, right? 487 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:57,930 That's what the Bible says. But also, the Bible is only 488 00:24:57,930 --> 00:25:00,570 correct in as much as it's interpreted correctly. 489 00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:02,610 So the Morgans don't really believe in the full Bible 490 00:25:02,610 --> 00:25:04,930 either. So there's that. 491 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:08,730 Wow. So that's just to get there, 492 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:13,330 that's just to go. Then you have to pay about 150, 493 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:16,770 probably between 120 and $150.00 to get your little outfit. 494 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:20,310 Which we have pictures of. You can. 495 00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:26,910 Oh yeah, creepy, creepy looking. Yeah, so you wear this. 496 00:25:27,550 --> 00:25:31,590 And funny enough and the handshakes we might have to 497 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:33,790 bring back after. But these are signs and tokens. 498 00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:37,910 This is what you wear. And this was the bottom corner 499 00:25:37,910 --> 00:25:44,110 is a recreation from the show. Something banner of heaven. 500 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:47,410 You know that show, it was like on Netflix or something. 501 00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:49,930 This is actually they do this, I was there. 502 00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:52,250 This is what really set me off a little bit. 503 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:56,650 That's one of the things they do in this two hour ceremony and 504 00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:58,010 then we can go to the next one, yeah. 505 00:25:58,250 --> 00:26:03,050 They do that in, you see how they have their hands like this. 506 00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:06,340 Yes, that make a cut of. Slit their throat, Yes. 507 00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:09,980 Or spill their bowels. They do it down below if they 508 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:13,580 ever, ever do what I'm doing, which is be an apostate and tell 509 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:16,420 the truth and and I want to put this out there as a disclaimer 510 00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:19,060 for any Mormon viewers or any people that feel like I'm being 511 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:22,140 disrespectful. Here's the thing, I was in this 512 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:26,460 until I was 34 years old. I was raised in it and all of my 513 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:28,740 family is still in it. And I was. 514 00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:32,030 I almost had my kids taken away. Like, it goes bad. 515 00:26:32,270 --> 00:26:35,510 Like I was sued. I was reported to CPS. 516 00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:41,350 Yeah, my family went crazy. And so to this day, I don't 517 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:43,750 speak to most of my family and they're all still Mormon. 518 00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:46,310 And they would be very upset with me with this. 519 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:50,030 But I'm not doing this to be a jerk, and I'm not doing this to 520 00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:52,110 make fun of it. And I'm not doing this. 521 00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:55,020 To do anything harmful to anyone. 522 00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:59,340 But if I were abused and and I was in a therapist's office and 523 00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:01,700 I wanted to tell my story anywhere, they would say it was 524 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:04,540 good for me. But I have to hold this in. 525 00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:06,260 I'm not. I'm not doing that. 526 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:08,100 And if you don't like it, you can turn it. 527 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,540 But I'm going to tell my truth, and this is truth, and there's 528 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:15,180 probably other people like me, and most of the things I've seen 529 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:18,140 on Mormonism are really careful about this because they say, oh, 530 00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:20,410 this is their. Sacred thing. 531 00:27:20,410 --> 00:27:23,450 And I'm like, OK, but how do you ever figure any of this out? 532 00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:25,250 Then? Like you, you're like, oh, they 533 00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:29,370 do this here, oh, this and this. How do we ever break it down if 534 00:27:29,370 --> 00:27:31,450 we don't ever expose it? Really. 535 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:35,170 Like, that's wrong. So that's why I did this, and 536 00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:39,250 I'm going further than most people would, but that's just 537 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:44,010 how it's going to be with me. So they quit doing the slit 538 00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:47,330 their throat and slit their bellies in 1990. 539 00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:50,730 Because too many people complaint a lot of changes. 540 00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:53,530 Even though the church is perfect, they change it all the 541 00:27:53,530 --> 00:27:57,810 time, which is so funny to me. And I'm like, OK, if you're 542 00:27:57,810 --> 00:27:59,530 perfect, what happened with that? 543 00:27:59,610 --> 00:28:01,330 You know? But. 544 00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:05,210 That move, the slicing of like the stomach, the throat. 545 00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:07,050 And I think there's another one in the OTO. 546 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:09,050 I think they do that. They do that in the OTO and the 547 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:10,970 Gnostic mess. Another thing they represent, 548 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:14,050 you know, they don't do it on an angle, I don't think like that. 549 00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:16,890 It seems much more straight. Like it even looks. 550 00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:20,690 Like, you know, it's very and Joseph Smith was a master Mason. 551 00:28:20,890 --> 00:28:24,850 Most people say that he wasn't, and I actually know that he was. 552 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:29,650 No, On the YouTube account for the Latter Day Saints, they have 553 00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:32,570 a small little like 2 minute episode acknowledging that he 554 00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:36,370 was amazing. Now now finally and and he got 555 00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:40,570 his well and they say oh we don't know what what degree he 556 00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:42,210 was. We're not for certain this and 557 00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:43,530 that. No, he was. 558 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:47,670 He was initiated. And then that was in March of 559 00:28:47,710 --> 00:28:50,590 1842. And then two days later he was 560 00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:55,270 expedited in two days to master Mason on March 15th, 1842. 561 00:28:55,270 --> 00:28:59,990 And you guys can check my facts. I am such a huge backup on on 562 00:28:59,990 --> 00:29:03,470 anything that I spew because I don't want to be just saying 563 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:06,310 stuff to say stuff unless it's my personal life. 564 00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:11,590 Yeah, so he he also has been told his brothers in the church 565 00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:16,260 and it's Oliver Cowdry. And Martin Harris. 566 00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:18,340 And him. Tons of other ones. 567 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:19,820 Heber Kimball. Brigham Young. 568 00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:22,820 All of them were Masons. His brother was a Master Mason. 569 00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:25,420 His father is speculated to be a Mason. 570 00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:29,260 And there's some huge occult background there. 571 00:29:29,260 --> 00:29:32,940 But I might. Remember the day of the when he 572 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:36,070 first started? It was Oliver Crow jury that 573 00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:39,870 scribed for Joseph Smith, right? He was the 2nd. 574 00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:43,990 Oliver Cowdrey was the second. You're good. 575 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:47,310 He was the 2nd scribe. Martin Harris was the first. 576 00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:50,070 By the end of the time he finished the Book of Mormon. 577 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:53,360 He None of them liked him. They all hated him and he 578 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,960 excommunicated both of them. So that's fun. 579 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,920 And it's because they kept catching him with other women, 580 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,880 because he and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, I'm a 581 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,640 polygamist, this is all sacred and blah, blah, blah. 582 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760 But The thing is, the stuff that Joseph Smith was doing, which 583 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,800 they refused to admit in our church, our own church, said 584 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,640 Nope, he was not a polygamist. Yes, he was. 585 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,600 He was, yeah. Yeah, but they they only came 586 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,800 out with that when the Internet hit and then they did a big 587 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,080 thing and started saying don't look up stuff. 588 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720 On the Internet I was still in. Then they say doubt your doubts, 589 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,560 don't doubt your faith. It was a logo and they would 590 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,160 talk about it at church. Don't, don't look for outside 591 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,720 information. If you have questions, go to 592 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,360 your Bishop or lds.org. Don't talk about this. 593 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,360 And the thing about the Mormon stuff, with the temple rights 594 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,880 and all of this, none of this is ever to be breathed or talked 595 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,240 about except for inside the temple. 596 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,000 Well, when you're inside the temple, you're doing stuff 597 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,120 because it's all very regimented. 598 00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:53,870 And it's all so quiet. So when the heck are you 599 00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:55,310 supposed to going to talk about that? 600 00:30:55,790 --> 00:30:58,030 Like never. When are you going to end up 601 00:30:58,030 --> 00:31:00,830 there with your Bishop? Probably not ever. 602 00:31:00,830 --> 00:31:06,030 Like again because you go so you get there and normally you go 603 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:09,950 either when you serve a mission or if you're doing baptisms for 604 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:13,230 the dead when you're young, when you're like 12 to 15, you go as 605 00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:15,710 a youth group and we'll get into that because that's a separate 606 00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:18,230 thing from all this. And then? 607 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:22,070 You go when you get married, but but if you're a single woman, 608 00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:24,750 they're used to not have anything that you could do. 609 00:31:25,270 --> 00:31:28,390 But my grandpa, like, was Catholic forever and my grandma 610 00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:31,030 was a Mormon and she really wanted to go and she went to 611 00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:32,430 church every Sunday and did all this stuff. 612 00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:36,790 And they did make an exception for her in the late 80s because 613 00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:41,550 they knew he might never go. Because when you go the first 614 00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:45,070 time you go, you are sealed. If you're with a husband or 615 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:47,470 wife, if you're going on a mission, it's a different thing, 616 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:49,750 but. You're sealed for time and all 617 00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:52,150 eternity. So they believe that when you 618 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:56,270 get married and there's an altar picture on one of these and it's 619 00:31:56,270 --> 00:32:00,950 a wedding, the the people by an altar are getting married in it 620 00:32:01,270 --> 00:32:02,870 and that's what you wear to get married. 621 00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:05,310 You don't wear your wedding dress and you don't say wedding 622 00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:08,790 things and there's no I do. And Q and your family can't come 623 00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:12,510 unless they have they're qualified to go. 624 00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:15,590 They're little recommend and they know even if you tried to 625 00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:19,860 fake it, it's all digitalized. So then you get into this, so 626 00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:22,500 you get you're going to go to get married, you're all excited, 627 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,620 you go there and you're fancy dress, and when you get there 628 00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:25,980 they give you that. Nice. 629 00:32:25,980 --> 00:32:29,100 Well, you've already bought it and it's $150.00 and they own 630 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,060 the patent and you can't buy it anywhere else. 631 00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:35,820 But if you don't have the patent and you can't afford it or 632 00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:40,300 whatever to make your own or buy some, you have to rent them from 633 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,940 the church. And so every time you go. 634 00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:48,230 You go rent them, you change in a little locker room And then it 635 00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:51,550 used to be when I went this is where it gets really fun. 636 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:55,270 They used to make us get naked and then they give us this 637 00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:58,470 poncho to like put on. It's like a not see through 638 00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:01,310 poncho with the slits open on the sides. 639 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:05,030 And I was hugely pregnant then because we had to go later 640 00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:08,150 because my husband was a convert and so. 641 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,600 Real quick, I have a question. I have a question. 642 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,160 Not anytime. Stop me. 643 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,840 They wanna just wanna know what was going on in here in this, 644 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,160 right on the. Right, I will. 645 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,480 Let's come back to that. Go towards one with an altar. 646 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,400 If you see one with an altar, we'll get. 647 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,360 You can just skip, yeah, we'll get there. 648 00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:29,430 Any of the ones that are in the temple and this is all gonna get 649 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:31,550 really a cult later as we all can see you. 650 00:33:31,550 --> 00:33:33,750 Know what I think the only ones with it that I have. 651 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,150 Maybe I didn't send it. Yeah. 652 00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:40,590 OK, so you lean over this altar. Well, in this we can finish it. 653 00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:43,830 So this is the sign. There's signs and tokens you 654 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:45,430 receive. So the first thing that happens 655 00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:47,870 is you go through initiatory, which I'll explain here in a 656 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:50,230 minute when you get naked. But now they don't, I guess. 657 00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:56,070 And you do a blessing on your body and your loins and now they 658 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:58,430 just touch their forehead because remember, it's perfect, 659 00:33:58,430 --> 00:34:01,850 but they change it constantly. So, OK, so they changed it 660 00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:03,650 because people were uncomfortable getting naked. 661 00:34:03,770 --> 00:34:05,450 I know. I was definitely one of those. 662 00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:08,370 You sit on this damn cold block and you're like, what is 663 00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:10,929 happening in here? Like, why is there no cushion or 664 00:34:10,929 --> 00:34:12,130 nothing? It's an altar. 665 00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:15,170 I didn't even know that. Later you're naked on this altar 666 00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:17,449 thing. It's just a stone slab. 667 00:34:17,449 --> 00:34:19,650 It looks like a bench, but I didn't know. 668 00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:23,610 And then so some lady comes in and she's blessing you for your 669 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:25,330 sinews. I think you might. 670 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,239 And some of this might sound familiar to you, like your 671 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,000 sinews and your loins and your something and your and anyway, 672 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,520 I've read some Mason things and it's very similar. 673 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,080 So this lady comes in to do it, and I'm the only thing that's 674 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,800 bothering me at this point, even though I'm Naked and cold and 675 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,320 it's weird, is she's a lady. She can't give me a blessing. 676 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080 She doesn't have the priesthood. I don't understand what she's 677 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,520 doing in here. And none of this makes sense to 678 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,159 me. I'm like. 679 00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:57,150 What about I'm like, yeah, wait a minute, What are you doing? 680 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:59,310 Because I thought, when's the guy coming? 681 00:34:59,350 --> 00:35:02,070 And she's like, oh, no, you're not dressed, so you have to have 682 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:03,270 a lady to it. I'm like, tell you, you don't 683 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:05,510 have the priesthood. I'm like, so how's that going to 684 00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:07,030 work? And she's like, oh, it's 685 00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:08,990 different in the temple. Of course it is because 686 00:35:09,070 --> 00:35:10,710 everything is different. So. 687 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:12,990 All right, So we get through that. 688 00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:15,710 They give you your new underwear, which they do in 689 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:19,530 Masons as well. This underwear is more this 690 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:23,130 older versions with the Long John, but they still have it if 691 00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:24,970 you want to wear one piece. Whatever. 692 00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:27,450 Nobody does anymore. They look like a Haynes. 693 00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:30,290 Oh yeah, go back to that. They look like a Haynes tshirt 694 00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:33,130 and some kind of longish boxer shorts. 695 00:35:33,130 --> 00:35:34,690 There's tons of different material. 696 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:38,730 Again, the church owns the only stores that sell these. 697 00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:42,270 And again, you have to buy them specifically from the church. 698 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:47,070 They're about 35 to $40 a pair. You need a lot of pairs of these 699 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:50,750 because they're your underwear. You can't even put your bra 700 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:52,670 underneath them. You have to put your bra over 701 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:56,270 the top of them or underwear over the top of them or whatever 702 00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:59,190 else you're going to do. They're very underwearish. 703 00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:03,030 They've got like, like the little panty area, whatever for 704 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:05,110 women. Yeah, that works really great 705 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:07,550 wearing boxer shorts on your period like. 706 00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:10,950 It's the worst thing ever. And then they have maternity 707 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:12,830 ones, blah, blah, blah. So they're making all this 708 00:36:12,830 --> 00:36:15,710 money, right? Because these do not cost this 709 00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:17,830 much to make. And there's pictures of kids in 710 00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:21,350 sweatshops making these in China, so that's fun. 711 00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:25,510 Then you get these Masonic symbols on them and it shows 712 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:29,470 where they are on the chest. Actually, they missed one. 713 00:36:29,710 --> 00:36:33,590 So if you go down, see how it has a sideways cut on the belly? 714 00:36:33,590 --> 00:36:37,550 That's the ruler as well, like the sideways ruler, and also on 715 00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:41,140 the knee. And so I remember asking like, 716 00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:42,940 why? And they have military ones and 717 00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:44,340 everything. Like they're supposed to always 718 00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:47,100 be white, but for the military, they do make exceptions and they 719 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,660 make them in like army green and stuff. 720 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,860 But you are to wear these all the time. 721 00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:56,060 Except if you're going swimming because the devil has dominion 722 00:36:56,060 --> 00:37:01,060 over the water, and if you're going to make more Mormons but 723 00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:02,780 you put them right back on after. 724 00:37:03,370 --> 00:37:05,890 And some people get really weird about that. 725 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,130 But that's not a church thing. That's a them thing. 726 00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:12,530 And to shower, but as soon and you never put them on the floor 727 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:16,250 and you have to put them in with your right leg 1st and your 728 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:18,930 right arm first. There it's all very specific. 729 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:22,330 And so you get these underwear and then you go through to the 730 00:37:22,330 --> 00:37:25,850 next part of the temple ceremony and the one where it's a whole 731 00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:28,450 bunch of women and you can see all these veils. 732 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:33,220 That's the next room. And I had no idea these were 733 00:37:33,220 --> 00:37:35,260 Freemason symbols. I thought this was like, my 734 00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:37,260 grandma was like, oh, every knee shall bow. 735 00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:39,820 That's why it's on the knee, like they tell you some story. 736 00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:41,780 I don't even know, but I had no idea. 737 00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:43,860 I wore these for years, Didn't know. 738 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,500 So the next picture on there where it shows a bunch of people 739 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:53,060 like veiled and sitting down in the room, Hey wait, Heidi, what 740 00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:55,700 if it's like summertime and you're wearing like, what you're 741 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:57,300 wearing now? Nope, you can't. 742 00:37:58,180 --> 00:38:00,140 So you have to wear like long sleeve or short sleeve. 743 00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:01,660 Or the rest of your life. Yeah. 744 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:07,740 And you're buried in them. And so this picture here at the 745 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:10,660 bottom, So the women and men are separated. 746 00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:13,380 They go on separate sites of the room. 747 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:14,940 And there's a speaker at the front. 748 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:17,220 Or, well, there's still always a speaker. 749 00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:21,460 But whether you have a live session or a recorded session, a 750 00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:23,820 recorded session is just like a movie. 751 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,680 But the live session is actually acted out, like in full play. 752 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,240 Like they do this play, OK And so you go in there, you're 753 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,960 separated. They do, they do their side, You 754 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,400 do your side. And you're going through the 755 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,880 first time for yourself. So the first time you get your 756 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,000 new name, you get your new name. Mine was Abigail. 757 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,240 You get. The man gets a new name, 758 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,680 however. He only tells his name to the 759 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,240 person at the veil who is God simulating God. 760 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,400 And I tell my name only to my husband because I'm only saved 761 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880 through him because I can't have the priesthood right? 762 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,960 So so it's so sexist. Anyways, so you are to only 763 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,400 repeat that name to him and someday when I die or he dies 764 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,400 and then he calls for me through the veil, not God. 765 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,450 My husband does. So. 766 00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:22,050 And he can call as many women as he wants to call. 767 00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:24,690 And he can have a temple. He doesn't have to have a temple 768 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:25,850 divorce. He can get married. 769 00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:27,450 My uncle got married seven times. 770 00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:31,290 And he asked one time, like, who do I call? 771 00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:33,090 And they're like, oh, don't worry, God, I'll figure it out. 772 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:35,650 That's all they ever tell you when you have questions? 773 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:39,090 Yep. And I I'm like, OK, so I get 774 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:41,050 married. And I want this divorce, right? 775 00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:43,090 Because, like, this guy went super crazy. 776 00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:45,370 And I have all the reasons in the world he had an affair. 777 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:46,770 He's on drugs. He abandoned me. 778 00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:48,530 He's not taking care of his children. 779 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:50,660 He's gone. I can't find him. 780 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:53,220 And so I'm dating. Like, what do you do for two 781 00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:54,660 years while you can't find this guy? 782 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:57,740 You know? So I can't even find him to 783 00:39:57,740 --> 00:40:01,620 divorce him. So I'm stuck. 784 00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:04,820 And they're like, oh, well, you have to get remarried to get a 785 00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:07,140 temple divorce. We don't give a temple divorce 786 00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:09,940 unless you have another man willing to take his spot, First 787 00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:11,660 of all. Second of all. 788 00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:14,420 Yeah. Second of all, my new husband. 789 00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:16,820 This comes later. My second husband found out 790 00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:18,380 because we had already had this baby. 791 00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:22,660 And we had a little boy and he said, OK, so normally converts 792 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:25,860 have to have their children sealed to them because like, the 793 00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:28,300 baby was already born and he hasn't gone through with me yet, 794 00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:31,900 right? But no, because I was already 795 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:36,500 done and I was already in and I already had my children born 796 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:40,180 under the covenant, which means I was already in before any of 797 00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:42,620 my children were born. My daughter was in me, but she 798 00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:44,940 wasn't out. So we already did all this 799 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:49,740 garbage before she came out. So every child from then on out 800 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:52,580 is born under the covenant and sealed to us immediately. 801 00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:55,260 Like just because, like there's no ceremony. 802 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,420 Again, nothing but people that are converts, say your whole 803 00:40:58,420 --> 00:41:00,980 family converts. You have to take your children 804 00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:04,420 in and get sealed and it's for time and all eternity. 805 00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:07,500 So families can be forever together, which is unbiblical 806 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:09,860 and not supported by any Bible. Anything. 807 00:41:09,860 --> 00:41:12,540 It says what happens, tell what, tell death you apart. 808 00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:16,100 And anything that's that's here, we won't even be male and female 809 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:19,100 later. Like it says that in the Bible. 810 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:23,740 So anyways, go forward and you look into, oh, by the way while 811 00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:26,140 you're over the altar, you might find this interesting. 812 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:30,500 You're looking into eternity. Mirrors like that go on forever. 813 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:32,980 You know that you're not that face each other. 814 00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:38,820 Very magical stuff there. So the temple signs, they start 815 00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:43,870 doing this whole thing with you, like those weird pictures where 816 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:47,630 they are showing you either the handshakes or the signs and 817 00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:51,030 symbols where they're like, yes, this, so this. 818 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:54,830 And they're they're doing actually one in this corner one 819 00:41:54,830 --> 00:41:56,830 as well. So all of these are signs and 820 00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:59,150 symbols that they're going to give you in the temple. 821 00:41:59,830 --> 00:42:02,030 So you're learning all this your first time. 822 00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:05,070 But it goes along with the story of creation, like of Adam and 823 00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:07,990 Eve. And they talk about how God, but 824 00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:10,830 they don't believe in one God, they believe in three like. 825 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:12,190 Yeah, you know what you have to do. 826 00:42:12,190 --> 00:42:16,390 You gotta go look up an OTO Gnostic Mass and watch the 1st 5 827 00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:20,270 minutes when they even show the people coming to the temple and 828 00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:22,630 when somebody goes to a Gnostic mass and if it's your first time 829 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:25,850 there. They always go over the signs 830 00:42:25,850 --> 00:42:27,650 that you're going to do, yes. Why? 831 00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:30,370 This is what they do while you're in the Gnostic Mass and 832 00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:33,970 these things are in there, yes. Except for this one. 833 00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:37,490 This exact symbols, yes. And that's so weird. 834 00:42:37,530 --> 00:42:39,410 And the handshakes, The Masonic handshakes. 835 00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:41,010 Well, not the shit. Yeah, the handshakes aren't in 836 00:42:41,010 --> 00:42:42,330 there. But these OK so. 837 00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:47,010 OK, this top are that top one is the handshake right there. 838 00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:52,520 You can see it's it's the two Volcane symbol, the two Volcane 839 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,960 symbol with the knuckle. And then these ones like I said, 840 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,200 they took out the slicing one because there was too much 841 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,600 controversy. Then the circle thing, these 842 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,520 that's basically what you're doing in the temple. 843 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,520 You're learning all these signs and symbols because if you don't 844 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,840 know them when you die you can't go to heaven because you're 845 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,960 going to go to the veil. At the end there's a big curtain 846 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:17,400 that simulates the veil like when you're dying and my husband 847 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,210 went through 1st and he gives the signs and symbols to the guy 848 00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:25,410 standing there so that you can learn them and and if he does it 849 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:27,450 right, if he does it wrong, they correct him. 850 00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:30,810 If he does it right then he's passed his test for the 851 00:43:30,810 --> 00:43:35,770 Sentinels and angels that guard God so he can go to heaven. 852 00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:39,730 So OK, he fakes going to heaven by going through this curtain. 853 00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:42,490 There's even like slits in the curtain so you can't see the 854 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:44,130 person. It's just a hand. 855 00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:48,750 And so you do all this stuff and then you go through fake. 856 00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:51,710 And then he calls me and does it with me. 857 00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:54,390 He he does. He's God for me. 858 00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:57,110 He's my God, right? Because of course he is. 859 00:43:57,830 --> 00:44:02,050 So that's fun. So they don't deny that they do 860 00:44:02,050 --> 00:44:04,650 these ordinances. That's what that little clip was 861 00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:07,170 that you just went to. It says that they're they're 862 00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:09,770 going to continue to do ordinances in the temple that 863 00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:13,170 are placed under covenant with him and that they always call it 864 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:15,290 covenants. And I'm sorry, but in the Bible 865 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:17,530 it literally says you're not supposed to do oaths and 866 00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:20,650 covenants. And I listen, I don't have a 867 00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:24,290 problem with the Mormons. If they'll do one thing, say 868 00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:27,760 you're not Christian. If you want to be whatever you 869 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,080 are an OTO member, if you want to be Mason, if you want to be a 870 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,200 Mormon. But don't lie to people and tell 871 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160 them they're Christians, because it's not. 872 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,560 And that is my problem. And that's why I'm angry, 873 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,880 because I was tricked into this and this is crap. 874 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,720 Because they will not utter a word of this to you until you 875 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,240 get there, because nobody can talk about it. 876 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,160 I've seen it a lot before, like even just, you know, not getting 877 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,200 into it, but. Even when I've said my opinions 878 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,480 on certain things on the podcasting community, it's not 879 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,840 actually, I could actually give to flying fucks what you're into 880 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,880 or what you believe. Yep. 881 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,760 Or what you practice is just that. 882 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,000 Why are you telling your listeners that you're not into 883 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,200 it, right? That's the problem that I have, 884 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,680 cuz then it seems a little shady. 885 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,120 Why do you? Why do? 886 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,920 You. It seems deceptive, for sure. 887 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,120 It is deceptive because I'm sitting there going, wait a 888 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,680 minute, yeah, And not even my grandma would tell me, not even 889 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,600 my no, nobody, nobody utters a word. 890 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,680 They are under such tight. And I feel like this is my 891 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,280 opinion. I feel like most people don't 892 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,360 speak about these things like what I'm telling you because 893 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,640 they're still secretly afraid about the oaths and covenants 894 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,280 they made about spilling. Because they say you make these 895 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480 oaths and covenants in front of angels and witnesses. 896 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,280 That's what they say when you're in there. 897 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,410 So they say if you break them, I don't just go to hell, I go to 898 00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:50,650 outer darkness. Like with murders? 899 00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:55,730 So I was watching an interview with a former Mormon just 900 00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:57,330 yesterday, actually. Funny enough. 901 00:45:57,810 --> 00:46:01,730 And he was saying that even like like your issue with calling 902 00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:05,810 themselves Christians, the Mormon baptism is not valid. 903 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,600 No, because they don't baptize to God. 904 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,720 They're baptizing for the church because I was baptized. 905 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,200 So what the words actually are are you are baptized the member 906 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,520 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 907 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,640 They don't ever say about God. They very rarely talk about the 908 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,570 Bible or God. They talk about Joseph Smith and 909 00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:26,850 we're not supposed to have idols. 910 00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:29,690 They got him plastered all over the place. 911 00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:34,650 And by the way, their Mormon Jesus is the blondest, most 912 00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:37,210 white and delights in Jesus I've ever seen. 913 00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:42,890 He he's like blue eyes and one of my friends, after I got out, 914 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:46,610 she goes, you know that he looks like one of the demons, like the 915 00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:49,170 water demon, some water demon when she told me. 916 00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:52,290 Metatron or something. And she was like, you better 917 00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:55,410 take that down. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I 918 00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:58,750 didn't even think. So now I am so diligent on my 919 00:46:58,750 --> 00:47:00,990 daughter. I'm like, I show her the Jesus 920 00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:04,510 from the Shroud of Turin, like he's very And he's brown. 921 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:07,750 And I tell her I'm like, OK, listen, he was from a place 922 00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:10,990 where people are brown and I don't care what color anyone is. 923 00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:14,350 Yeah, I don't care. My my whole family's mixed. 924 00:47:14,350 --> 00:47:17,910 So, I mean, she didn't have a problem with it because my whole 925 00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:21,160 family's mixed. So like, we just, it's not a 926 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,240 thing for our family but for other people because they feel 927 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,640 that that's the mark of Cain to be black and it the church is 928 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080 very racist. Well, they lie and say they're 929 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,400 not now, but they are. But anyways, until the 50s they 930 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,640 couldn't. Oh yeah, yeah. 931 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,760 I can't even believe like at all this. 932 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,880 Is only the Wikipedia, so it's not even like, yeah, I can't 933 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,720 believe there's any black or brown or Polynesian, any kind of 934 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,160 members that are any kind of brown. 935 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,830 Sorry, I cannot believe if you're brown or a shade of brown 936 00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:56,310 or a particular anything of brown or black. 937 00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:59,990 You must go through and read what they have said. 938 00:48:00,390 --> 00:48:03,070 Because one of the main quotes that stick out in my mind and 939 00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:04,590 why I say white and delight some. 940 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:08,350 And it's funny, but it's a Mormon joke because all of the 941 00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:11,550 prophets used to preach to the Native Americans and there's a 942 00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:14,550 literal quote from Spencer W Kimball, who was one of our 943 00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:16,070 prophets. And remember, they're supposed 944 00:48:16,070 --> 00:48:17,990 to be perfect until they're just a man. 945 00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:22,970 I don't know which one it is, But he said, as we have preached 946 00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:27,170 more unto our native brothers and sisters, they have become 947 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:29,330 exceedingly white and delightsome. 948 00:48:30,850 --> 00:48:32,770 No, they didn't. You killed off everyone they 949 00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:35,330 could mate with, and they had to mate with white people. 950 00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:36,970 You idiots. Wow. 951 00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:41,490 You know, I am interesting. The whole thing is so deceptive. 952 00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:46,410 Like, what was I going to say? You know, OK, even I'm Canadian, 953 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:47,170 right? So like. 954 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:49,670 This is a little bit removed from me. 955 00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:50,990 Are you Mick Mac? Are you? 956 00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:54,550 No, because there's a story about that. 957 00:48:54,550 --> 00:48:56,430 So. Oh yeah, I know about the Mick 958 00:48:56,430 --> 00:48:58,070 Mac. I am Mick Mac. 959 00:48:58,230 --> 00:49:00,710 Are you OK? I'm the Mormons from Alberta and 960 00:49:00,710 --> 00:49:03,670 whatnot. But anyways, no. 961 00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:07,310 I wonder like if the Learning Channel has anything to do with 962 00:49:07,310 --> 00:49:11,590 this or if they are owned by Mormons, because I feel like 963 00:49:11,590 --> 00:49:14,630 growing up and the only experience I have. 964 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960 With Mormons on TV is the Learning Channel. 965 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,120 But they never sister wives or something. 966 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,240 Sister Wives and the Duggars, which is also some other strange 967 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,480 form. There's been a bit, there's been 968 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,320 a few of them on on 90 day fiance too, so I do. 969 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,360 They get it. They get, they get their reality 970 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,000 TV on. It's kind of like normalizing 971 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,960 these very interesting offshoots of Christianity, but without. 972 00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:43,220 Ever specifying what they are. I'm just like, oh, that's like 973 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:45,020 what Christian people are like in America. 974 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:50,460 Like I guess well, and I want to be very clear, the FLDS, which 975 00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:53,900 is there's there's three types. Well there's many but the three 976 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:57,220 main is the reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints. 977 00:49:57,220 --> 00:50:00,420 OK, that was the breakoff that happened when Joseph Smith and 978 00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:03,140 his brother were killed. His wife continued it with 979 00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:06,020 through their sons and they made a reorganized church, which 980 00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:08,780 doesn't believe in polygamy at all because she was not down. 981 00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:11,220 She beat the shit out of one of his little girlfriends and she 982 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:13,220 had a miscarriage. They said she fell down the 983 00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:16,340 stairs, but I found another quote that was like, no, she 984 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:19,300 didn't. So yeah, and I don't blame her 985 00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:21,660 because girl, I get it. I did that once. 986 00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:25,470 Anyways, that happens. You lose your temper. 987 00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:28,710 I don't know if I'd do it if she was pregnant, but just still. 988 00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:33,470 And so that church is that one. Then there's the mainstream, we 989 00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:36,430 call it mainstream LDS, which is what I'm teaching on today. 990 00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:40,470 And then there's the FLDS, which is the polygamists. 991 00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,990 But even the polygamists are multiple sex. 992 00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:47,990 There's at least three and some follow Warren Jeffs even though 993 00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:50,930 he's still in prison. It they still follow him and all 994 00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:53,450 of that is still carried out through his brothers. 995 00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:57,010 Everything in that area. I used to live right outside of 996 00:50:57,010 --> 00:50:59,050 Colorado City, really close to there in St. 997 00:50:59,050 --> 00:51:02,170 George, UT. So they dress like Little House 998 00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:05,050 on the Prairie. They they're very old school. 999 00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:07,770 No TV's, none of that stuff. They can't they have to do their 1000 00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:09,730 hair certainly like it's very strictured. 1001 00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:13,210 They pick their husbands they all that, all that stuff. 1002 00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:16,570 So, and there's a lot of controversy about abuse in that 1003 00:51:16,570 --> 00:51:20,660 one, but I'll tell you this. And then there's another one 1004 00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,860 that is just like them, but they don't dress like that. 1005 00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:26,580 But they wear long sleeves. They wear long hair because they 1006 00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:28,540 don't cut their hair because it's their crowning glory. 1007 00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:33,940 OK, so this part though it sounds controversial because of 1008 00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:38,420 the actual abuse lately. Before Warren Jeffs, his dad 1009 00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:44,300 Roulon was over that sect and he was actually a better person and 1010 00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:47,140 he made sure all the girls were 18 to get married. 1011 00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:49,340 Most, most all of them. Like there was not this 1012 00:51:49,340 --> 00:51:51,940 childhood bride situation. I mean, that's still really 1013 00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:54,100 young, but they were of consenting age. 1014 00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:57,180 They still choose their husbands, they still push all 1015 00:51:57,180 --> 00:52:01,260 that crap, but they believe in the real Book of Mormon like 1016 00:52:01,420 --> 00:52:03,500 before. It's been messed with 1017 00:52:03,580 --> 00:52:06,260 100,000,000 times like what mainstream has done. 1018 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,280 They are actually more true Mormons than any mainstream 1019 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,040 Mormon. They actually keep to the old, 1020 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,600 the old rituals, how it was set forth by Joseph Smith. 1021 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,800 So when people bash on them, it's because of the people that 1022 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,200 carry it out. And I don't care what they do 1023 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,760 other than the Christianity thing. 1024 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,920 They want to have 45 wives. I really don't care like just 1025 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,600 don't live off the government because they do. 1026 00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:33,690 It's a big thing that they are only spiritually married to 1027 00:52:33,690 --> 00:52:35,530 those wives and they all get assistance. 1028 00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:39,410 So they believe in called bleeding the beast, which means 1029 00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:42,810 they believe in using everything at their at their disposal that 1030 00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:46,610 they can any kind of government thing because they hate the 1031 00:52:46,610 --> 00:52:50,090 government and they want to bleed the beast so. 1032 00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:52,930 Wow. Yeah, it's very interesting. 1033 00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:54,210 And they don't finish their homes. 1034 00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:57,280 If you ever go there, we can do that on Colorado City later. 1035 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,120 But anyway, if you ever go there, their homes are like 1036 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,600 weirdly half finished because they don't want to pay taxes on 1037 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,080 them. You don't have to pay the same 1038 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,800 tax. And they know all the things. 1039 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,240 They know. They have their own sheriff's, 1040 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,200 they have their own government. They will follow you if you go 1041 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,400 into that city. They will question you. 1042 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,960 And it's kind of scary, like they are not messing. 1043 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,720 Around like some Scientology moves right here. 1044 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,840 Oh, for real. Their stuff is like science. 1045 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,240 Like it. My my sister actually married 1046 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:26,650 one that got out of that sect and so we know. 1047 00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:28,290 You went from 1 alien to another one. 1048 00:53:29,010 --> 00:53:30,370 Yep. Yep she is. 1049 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:34,170 And I was like anyway, so that's that so. 1050 00:53:34,290 --> 00:53:36,770 Real quick, real quick. I did want to mention cuz I see 1051 00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:38,010 now we're getting into occultism. 1052 00:53:38,010 --> 00:53:40,410 This is why I did ask you earlier. 1053 00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:42,370 And then you started going on into something. 1054 00:53:42,370 --> 00:53:44,530 I didn't want to reinterrupt you again to make a point. 1055 00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:48,610 No, but I the reason why I had asked you, I'm almost positive 1056 00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:52,250 that whoever did start scrawing for Joseph Smith, I think it 1057 00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:53,970 might have started on April Martin Harris. 1058 00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:56,170 I think it might have started on April 9th. 1059 00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:59,610 I could be wrong, and I always found that interesting because 1060 00:53:59,610 --> 00:54:02,290 like, April 8th was the first day of the writing of the book 1061 00:54:02,290 --> 00:54:04,330 of the Law of Alice the Crowley. Yeah, yeah. 1062 00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:07,130 And well and. And The thing is, too, this 1063 00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:09,370 sounds, well, you have an Oliver Cowdry. 1064 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,640 Yes. And the first one, Well, the 1065 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,880 first one that did it for him was his wife. 1066 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,080 And then he got Martin Harris. And if you've ever seen the 1067 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,360 South Park on it, it is quite actually correct in a lot of 1068 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,000 ways. They banned it everywhere. 1069 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,080 But it actually kind of went like that. 1070 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,510 He was a wealthy banker. He helped him be his scribe and 1071 00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:35,870 then his wife got pissed and took some of the pages and that 1072 00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:38,870 she's the one where they say smart, smart, smart at at the 1073 00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:42,870 cartoon because she said OK, she burned the papers and said no, 1074 00:54:43,390 --> 00:54:49,150 that it said if I'm going to give you all of it, it's OK, I'm 1075 00:54:49,150 --> 00:54:52,070 mine, all of this stuff. If if we're going to give him 1076 00:54:52,070 --> 00:54:54,350 all of our money, then I want to see some proof. 1077 00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:59,390 And he said, no, no, the Angel told me because you did that, I 1078 00:54:59,390 --> 00:55:01,980 shouldn't tell you what those books said. 1079 00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,900 So we're going to translate other books. 1080 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:07,300 So yeah. So it's kind of funny. 1081 00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:12,140 And he predates it before Jesus. But and also on your point, this 1082 00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:17,660 is actually super interesting because Okay, John D got the 1083 00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:18,860 Inocchian alphabet. How? 1084 00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:22,100 Saw an Angel. Right. 1085 00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:25,660 So then they told him to do what? 1086 00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:31,230 Write a book, write this down. And there were many offshoots 1087 00:55:31,310 --> 00:55:35,550 off of John Dee's writings and knowledge to make multiple 1088 00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:38,390 religious aspects. Right or religious basically 1089 00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:42,990 ripped his story. Well, I I actually think 1090 00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:47,350 something different because then on top of it, Alistair Crowley 1091 00:55:47,350 --> 00:55:52,190 saw what A was, right? He saw A was first and A was 1092 00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:54,590 told him to do what? Write this stuff down. 1093 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:59,150 And he formed the Lima. And then Muhammad saw an Angel 1094 00:55:59,410 --> 00:56:02,210 and he wrote some stuff down. And what happened? 1095 00:56:02,250 --> 00:56:06,450 He formed a religion and then Scientology, they saw some 1096 00:56:06,450 --> 00:56:10,210 angels and wrote some stuff down and they formed A what a 1097 00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:12,890 religion. So this story has been done 1098 00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:14,370 before. And I don't think any of it's a 1099 00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:16,730 ripoff. I think they're nethylene 1100 00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:20,730 spirits or fallen spirits that are coming to these people and 1101 00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:23,890 having them write many false religions, just like it says in 1102 00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:26,530 the Bible. And it says that they'll be many 1103 00:56:26,530 --> 00:56:28,610 things that will lead them astray and they will be 1104 00:56:28,610 --> 00:56:32,090 beautiful and they will be, you know, full of light. 1105 00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:35,130 And and that's why they say you can never just trust an Angel, 1106 00:56:35,290 --> 00:56:38,650 right, Because you never know what you're entertaining. 1107 00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:41,890 That's what it says. And Joseph Smith's cute little 1108 00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:45,960 story about when he was 14 and he saw it, so he went to the 1109 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,480 Grove and he prayed and he he was, oh, I want to know about 1110 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,520 God and which church I should join. 1111 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,840 And God the Father and this Son appeared to him and he was 1112 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,320 overtaken by darkness and he passed out. 1113 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,400 This is how this happened for real. 1114 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,770 And that's the cute story version of it he doesn't 1115 00:57:08,770 --> 00:57:12,650 explain. Later he saw up to 24 spirits 1116 00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:16,050 and or angels that is documented. 1117 00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:21,810 So his mom wrote a fantastic little book that they can't hide 1118 00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:24,650 and it's amazing because it's going to get into all this 1119 00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:28,250 occult beginnings. And so after that it took him 1120 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:33,590 four more years and the story is almost exact that the one of 1121 00:57:34,270 --> 00:57:38,070 Enoch for Masonry and how he kept going back every year to 1122 00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:40,590 visit the plates and blah blah blah and they still had play. 1123 00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:43,950 It's so similar. It's almost silly. 1124 00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:46,870 I think there was a real Angel, but I think he took some stuff 1125 00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:50,550 off of that story because he was a Mason and then he didn't 1126 00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:53,750 receive the plates like they show it this cute glorious thing 1127 00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:56,430 like one day la like this Angel came and it's all bright and 1128 00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:58,830 beautiful. That happened on the fall 1129 00:57:58,830 --> 00:58:02,430 Equinox in the middle of the night all dressed in black. 1130 00:58:02,590 --> 00:58:05,910 He received these books right after he got married and I'm 1131 00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:10,230 pretty sure before he had sex because part of his thing was he 1132 00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:15,070 was a virgin scrier. These parchments are from his 1133 00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:18,270 family line. His mother has a quote on here 1134 00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:21,470 and she was a follower of the House of a brac and they 1135 00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:26,570 worshipped A bracsis. They have documented her talking 1136 00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:32,410 about how she follows the House of a BRAC and he got hurt when 1137 00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:37,010 he was 7 and got typhoid fever and he got osteomyelitis in his 1138 00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:41,210 leg and he was sick for years and had to be in the home and 1139 00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:44,050 laid up while they're all out treasure hunting. 1140 00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:49,050 And he was bored just like JFK. He was super smart. 1141 00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:50,930 Why cuz he was sick and read a bunch of books. 1142 00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:52,930 Well he was sick and stuck in his house and they were pretty 1143 00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:55,530 down poor so he probably read whatever they had. 1144 00:58:55,930 --> 00:59:00,730 And their background is Scottish and I'm pretty sure they had the 1145 00:59:00,730 --> 00:59:03,130 Magus by looking at some of this stuff. 1146 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:07,130 I want to ask you real quick. This just brings back more like, 1147 00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:09,090 I think, a cult symbolism tied to, yeah. 1148 00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:13,380 Mormonism stories that well, and I guess this story probably 1149 00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:14,980 came. I mean it did come before the 1150 00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:17,580 Lima. So you know, I again the 1151 00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:20,140 question you know who ripped off who, but right. 1152 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:21,980 You or you, Angel? Yeah. 1153 00:59:22,340 --> 00:59:24,100 Yeah. Yeah, for appearance. 1154 00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:28,580 Do you, do you know of a metal mountain Meadow massacre? 1155 00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:32,780 Oh yeah, yes, of course. Crowley wrote the MMM also. 1156 00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:37,580 And the The Meadow Mountain Massacre also happened between 1157 00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:40,650 September 9th and September 11th, supposedly. 1158 00:59:40,690 --> 00:59:43,010 Also he talks about Joseph Smith. 1159 00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:45,530 You know that, right? Also, I find it interesting that 1160 00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:49,570 like even with 911, every single plane number had to do with with 1161 00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:52,450 with a Crowley book. And then you have Crowley 1162 00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:55,930 writing the MMM and there's the Meadow Mountain Massacre that 1163 00:59:55,930 --> 00:59:59,650 happened technically around the same date around 9/11 frame. 1164 00:59:59,810 --> 01:00:02,090 I'm like, what the hell? And then you got some guy with 1165 01:00:02,090 --> 01:00:03,890 the name really close to his name. 1166 01:00:04,220 --> 01:00:05,860 Yeah, it's very weird. How jury? 1167 01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:08,620 Well, and I think it's channeling to be honest, because 1168 01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:11,620 he uses OK, so these parchments, he wrote. 1169 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:15,500 These are in their family. This is their family writings. 1170 01:00:15,780 --> 01:00:19,340 And this one actually has a demonic name in a Nokian 1171 01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:22,380 alphabet on it. At the bottom it calls down. 1172 01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:27,390 Jubilants or some demon and and there yeah there's a whole bunch 1173 01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:29,550 of stuff in here. In fact this this scared the 1174 01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:31,830 Monday brothers. They were like, we gotta pray 1175 01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:33,710 right now. I'm like I always pray before 1176 01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:36,790 too don't worry, like and they were like no way. 1177 01:00:36,790 --> 01:00:38,670 That looks scary. I'm like, well, it it. 1178 01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:42,830 I mean, yeah, you know, so he was the SCRI Virgin Scrier and 1179 01:00:42,830 --> 01:00:45,590 he was the sear stone user for the treasure digging. 1180 01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:48,910 And all of this had to do with that he wrote these. 1181 01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:52,230 There's no proof, but they're in his family. 1182 01:00:52,270 --> 01:00:57,070 They were kept by his brother. They also had a Mars dagger with 1183 01:00:57,070 --> 01:01:01,190 the Mars symbolism on it. And they executed and this was 1184 01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:05,190 documented that his neighbor paid the dad this. 1185 01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:08,350 He died with this Jupiter Talisman on him and his wife 1186 01:01:08,350 --> 01:01:12,430 actually stated that that was his because all this other stuff 1187 01:01:12,430 --> 01:01:14,790 they say, Oh well, they said he was wearing that when he was in 1188 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:17,390 the jail cell, right? She said he never took it off. 1189 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,160 So I know you have that knife in here somewhere. 1190 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,560 Yeah, there's the Mars knife. And so that is one that is 1191 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,360 definitely the. Mars right there and the sigils. 1192 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,800 And that's like planetary sigil or like. 1193 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,880 I mean, people who mess with Kabbalah would probably still 1194 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,160 use that. Because of the planetary well. 1195 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,360 And they think, they think that he maybe was exposed. 1196 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,720 People say he wasn't, but he had this mentor when he was quite 1197 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,960 young, maybe around 1314. That was actually the cousin of 1198 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,200 his coming future wife, Emma Smith. 1199 01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:53,310 And his name was Lumens. Well, William Lumens, isn't that 1200 01:01:53,310 --> 01:01:55,390 interesting? Lumens like light. 1201 01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:57,990 Bringer like light. Yeah. 1202 01:01:58,310 --> 01:02:01,430 This all freaked me out. When I started like, Ding Ding, 1203 01:02:01,550 --> 01:02:03,370 yeah, I was like, oh. Oh my gosh. 1204 01:02:03,810 --> 01:02:06,010 So he came to town just randomly. 1205 01:02:06,010 --> 01:02:09,730 He was like a doctor. They said, OK, Josephson never 1206 01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:12,210 had any exposure because he was this poor farm boy. 1207 01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:15,050 Not so. This guy brought many books with 1208 01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:16,690 him. He was a doctor and he had 1209 01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:20,670 traveled all over Europe. He was actually really familiar 1210 01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:24,670 with multiple things of magic and was known as a magician and 1211 01:02:24,670 --> 01:02:28,990 so with his mom being in the House of a brac and that's where 1212 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:33,590 Abracadabra comes from, is Abraxas, which by the way that 1213 01:02:33,590 --> 01:02:36,990 demon is a necromancer which plays super into stuff later 1214 01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:38,710 because. Well then, the baptisms of the 1215 01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:39,830 dead too. The dead. 1216 01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:42,870 Well, every work is for the dead in the whole Mormon temple. 1217 01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:46,200 Except your your own. You do yours 1st and every 1218 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,840 single one after that and you're encouraged to do as many as you 1219 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,880 can. A month are for dead people. 1220 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,000 It is a necromancy. It is yes. 1221 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,480 And so this all this his seer stones, his knife, and there's 1222 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,120 an actual those circles that were and they're not necessary. 1223 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,440 I mean we can do it or not. But his dad was actually looking 1224 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,800 for treasure and drew two circles. 1225 01:03:10,290 --> 01:03:14,250 In the dirt with a sword and then made the cone in the middle 1226 01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:18,610 for the triangle cone and was using like all kinds of weird 1227 01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:22,530 sigils and muttering like spells on the outside trying to help 1228 01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:25,210 this neighbor find treasure and he wrote it down. 1229 01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:29,010 So this neighbor, this is his account, like literal from his 1230 01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:32,810 journals. And then he said they said to 1231 01:03:32,810 --> 01:03:36,650 him it will work better if we can slaughter your black sheep 1232 01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:41,340 at midnight tomorrow. And we can do this again and 1233 01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:46,860 they use that knife and that knife is is for blood sacking if 1234 01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:48,740 you look up stuff like it's crazy. 1235 01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:53,300 So they used that, and these sigils are all part of the 1236 01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:56,890 treasure hunting. You know, and if you I'm so 1237 01:03:56,890 --> 01:04:01,090 curious later I know we're on live, but later on the one where 1238 01:04:01,090 --> 01:04:04,010 it's kind of red and I included it at the bottom, I'd be so 1239 01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:07,530 interested to know what they say like more about what they say, 1240 01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:12,770 because I know that weird symbol is about that jubilance demon 1241 01:04:13,690 --> 01:04:15,810 Jabulon. Jabulon, Yes. 1242 01:04:16,170 --> 01:04:20,130 And then so all of this stuff is not Christian. 1243 01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:23,210 Like that is the same. And that says what Holy of 1244 01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:27,410 Holies like sound familiar? Like holiness to the Lord, Holy 1245 01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:29,290 of holy. And that's on our temples too. 1246 01:04:29,610 --> 01:04:32,210 And there's upside down. Penta Grant There's oh, doesn't 1247 01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:35,210 every Doesn't every temple doorknob have a beehive on it? 1248 01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:37,890 Yes. Oh, we are excessively. 1249 01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:41,330 We are the Beehive State. Utah is the Beehive State. 1250 01:04:41,330 --> 01:04:43,090 We are. We were settled and given that 1251 01:04:43,090 --> 01:04:45,570 name. It is all completely Masonic, 1252 01:04:45,570 --> 01:04:49,010 which was one of the things I sent to Josh in that school. 1253 01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:51,340 There's like this big. Beehive. 1254 01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:55,300 Like oldfashioned, like crusty antique dead bees in it. 1255 01:04:55,700 --> 01:05:00,340 And I'm like this is so creepy like what the heck is going on 1256 01:05:00,340 --> 01:05:03,140 here But he and he did the Masonic sign right before he 1257 01:05:03,140 --> 01:05:05,740 died but they ignored him because they were pissed because 1258 01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:09,940 he ripped off their stuff. And you know who William Morgan 1259 01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:11,660 is And that whole story about the Masons. 1260 01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:15,460 Do you know that story case? So he was like this anti Mason 1261 01:05:15,740 --> 01:05:18,420 and he started. Like going out and writing all 1262 01:05:18,420 --> 01:05:21,700 the books on it and talking about masonry on the corners and 1263 01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:24,820 was pissed and just like going off going off. 1264 01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:28,140 But he he was into masonry before that and then the whole 1265 01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:30,820 anti Mason movement happened because of him. 1266 01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:34,020 Well one day he happened they brought him up on charges which 1267 01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:36,500 they did the same thing to Joseph Smith that are basically 1268 01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:40,180 like jaywalking like it was silly like nobody gets in 1269 01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:42,220 trouble for that. He got in trouble for treasure 1270 01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:43,620 hunting is what he got in trouble for. 1271 01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:46,900 But Morgan got in trouble for some other thing, and it was a 1272 01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:48,900 debt or something. So somebody paid it and he got 1273 01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:51,220 out and then nobody ever saw him again, ever. 1274 01:05:51,620 --> 01:05:56,060 He's like a big famous story. And so, funny enough, Joseph 1275 01:05:56,060 --> 01:06:00,060 Smith married his widow. Spiritually. 1276 01:06:00,220 --> 01:06:03,100 Yeah, spiritually. And she had all this Mason 1277 01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:07,460 stuff, so she had all his stuff because he was a Mason before he 1278 01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:11,310 went anti. And so he had, and she was super 1279 01:06:11,310 --> 01:06:13,510 in love with him. She was the only one of his 34 1280 01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:16,110 wives that showed up to the funeral all dressed in black, 1281 01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:19,030 like a morning widow, like everybody else was on the hush, 1282 01:06:19,030 --> 01:06:22,070 you know. And so he got his temple 1283 01:06:22,070 --> 01:06:25,870 ordinances for Mason and exactly two months later created his own 1284 01:06:26,670 --> 01:06:30,740 within two months. So I mean, there's no doubt in 1285 01:06:30,740 --> 01:06:34,220 my mind that he completely ripped it off like that Sure, 1286 01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:38,180 sure sign of the lion's paw. Our sign for that is called the 1287 01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:42,060 sure Sign of the Nail. Like he just made it about 1288 01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:43,420 Jesus. He probably read the Bible a 1289 01:06:43,420 --> 01:06:45,260 lot, stuck in there sick, you know? 1290 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:48,860 But I do think he saw apparitions because, OK, so the 1291 01:06:48,860 --> 01:06:54,740 brother too Kay, when he got the plates that night, most likely. 1292 01:06:54,740 --> 01:06:57,180 See the circle thing, most likely. 1293 01:06:57,790 --> 01:07:00,110 That night was his wedding night, so I'm sure they 1294 01:07:00,110 --> 01:07:01,910 consummated. That was the same night he 1295 01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:04,790 supposedly got the plates, which was on the fall equinox. 1296 01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:07,590 Nine months almost of the day. They have a baby and it's 1297 01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:12,150 extremely like deformed and it dies right after it's born. 1298 01:07:13,350 --> 01:07:16,790 Yeah, nobody talks about that. In fact, half his kids died at 1299 01:07:17,030 --> 01:07:19,950 before 1. Like six of them. 1300 01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:22,810 I think 5 or 6. Which is interesting, knowing 1301 01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,970 what you know about sacrifice and babies and weird stuff. 1302 01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:28,850 And I don't even want to, but that's speculation, but 1303 01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:33,250 whatever. So yeah, that, there's that. 1304 01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:38,570 And then his brother actually died, which was also the the 1305 01:07:38,570 --> 01:07:40,970 dad's first born. I think they were both Faustian 1306 01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:45,530 bargains on both, and they named the deformed son the brother's 1307 01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:49,490 name, and he was one of the angels that he supposedly saw. 1308 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,760 So that's all interesting and fun. 1309 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:59,240 These are all sear stones that he supposedly translated the by 1310 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,000 the Book of Mormon with. He he's shown doing it with a 1311 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,720 breastplate and a Urum and thumbum, which is like these 1312 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,240 really thick glasses. But actually the real truth was 1313 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,040 he would put his head in a hat and use these sear stones. 1314 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,080 He didn't like this one as much. He liked the brown one more. 1315 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,319 There's like a a brownish colored one, but see that one 1316 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,319 there? But. 1317 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,520 Either way, he had multiple and so did the neighbor. 1318 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,240 This was like not that unusual. And especially with his mom 1319 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,040 being. Think of it too, if she's in the 1320 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,319 cult of a brag, who's he home with more? 1321 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,800 Being sick and hurt? He's home with his mom. 1322 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,600 Why? They're all out, you know. 1323 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,040 So he's learning all this stuff from her. 1324 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,800 I have no doubt that that Lucy Mack Smith and with her quotes. 1325 01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:50,370 And they can't get rid of it because she made a book. 1326 01:08:52,569 --> 01:08:55,810 And just like our current, our current president of the church, 1327 01:08:55,810 --> 01:08:59,890 not mine, I say are still the president of the church. 1328 01:09:00,210 --> 01:09:01,930 The Mormon Church is a Skull and Bones member. 1329 01:09:01,930 --> 01:09:04,170 He didn't go to Princeton, but he is a Skull and Bones member 1330 01:09:04,210 --> 01:09:06,810 and he made a biography and he's a doctor. 1331 01:09:07,330 --> 01:09:11,330 And that book is now like $1500 or something because they don't 1332 01:09:11,330 --> 01:09:13,130 want it out. Yeah. 1333 01:09:13,930 --> 01:09:17,450 It's It gets, it gets deep. And all of this has to be 1334 01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:20,410 related, like, I can't be the only one that's, you know, 1335 01:09:20,770 --> 01:09:22,250 figuring it out. But is it true? 1336 01:09:22,250 --> 01:09:24,370 Have you heard that? I think at one point he might 1337 01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:27,050 have put a lien on the church because of, uh, like Egyptian 1338 01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:29,370 artifacts that he bought. Oh, OK. 1339 01:09:29,370 --> 01:09:31,170 So he did buy Egyptian artifacts. 1340 01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:34,890 This is the Book of Abraham. So the I didn't do the pictures 1341 01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:36,370 of those, but they're very interesting. 1342 01:09:36,370 --> 01:09:39,930 And he said he prayed in Revelations, the whole Pearl of 1343 01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:41,529 great price. So we believe in. 1344 01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:44,710 The Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Pearl, Great Price and the 1345 01:09:44,710 --> 01:09:47,069 Doctor and Covenants. Well, the Pearl Doctor and 1346 01:09:47,069 --> 01:09:51,430 Covenants is like a whole bunch of rules and so is the Pearl of 1347 01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:54,310 Great Price. They're revelations that he 1348 01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:58,790 received by praying. And in the Pearl of Great Price, 1349 01:09:59,030 --> 01:10:03,110 it's all this stuff about how he was trying to get a revelation 1350 01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:06,590 for backup or more things that for another book. 1351 01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:10,290 And lo and behold, somebody came to town selling corpses and 1352 01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:12,370 Egyptian stuff and all this weird crap. 1353 01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:14,890 And it used to be in the Book of Mormon when I was little because 1354 01:10:14,890 --> 01:10:17,730 I was fascinated by it, because, I mean, the whole book is like 1355 01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:19,250 boring. So you're like 10. 1356 01:10:19,650 --> 01:10:22,450 Flipping through it, I'm like, ooh, this is creepy looking. 1357 01:10:22,450 --> 01:10:25,810 So, you know, you just stare at it And actually what it was, 1358 01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:29,530 they were death certificates and and like death, like a death 1359 01:10:29,530 --> 01:10:31,770 ceremony. And it was just an Egyptian 1360 01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:33,970 death ceremony. They they've proven it now that 1361 01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:36,620 it was complete bullcrap. And that he just bought this 1362 01:10:36,620 --> 01:10:40,420 stuff from some vendor, you know, peddling Egyptian 1363 01:10:40,420 --> 01:10:43,140 artifacts. And he claimed that he found 1364 01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:46,420 them and that they were the next book. 1365 01:10:46,420 --> 01:10:48,980 You know, the next thing I think people were calling as BS 1366 01:10:48,980 --> 01:10:53,340 because the printer that first printed the book, his family was 1367 01:10:53,340 --> 01:10:56,260 already known for this treasure hunting and they weren't good at 1368 01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:57,980 it. And so they had already made a 1369 01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:01,780 lot of enemies in town. So when all this started going 1370 01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:05,070 down and Martin Harris. Backed the printing because at 1371 01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:06,710 first they were like, yeah, we're not doing it. 1372 01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:08,270 He's poor. We're not going to do it because 1373 01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:11,630 money, you know. So when he finally did get a 1374 01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:14,430 backer, which was Harris, they had to do it. 1375 01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:18,950 So then the guy that was reading it as he's printing it, he did 1376 01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:25,230 not like Joseph Smith and he made a satire of it called Oh my 1377 01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:29,030 Gosh, Something About the Eye of. 1378 01:11:29,980 --> 01:11:32,860 I'll think of it in a minute. But he made some satire of it, 1379 01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:36,420 and it is the funniest thing. I mean, just jokes on jokes. 1380 01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:40,140 He's like, if we can't literally make him stop it, then I'm going 1381 01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:41,860 to make this satire. And they got pissed. 1382 01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:45,020 And then he went and copyright the Book of Mormon because he 1383 01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:47,900 wouldn't stop it. And it was like all like just 1384 01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:51,820 funny, you know, like instead of, oh and if I came to town and 1385 01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:53,380 blah, blah, blah. And he's like, he would just, 1386 01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:57,060 like, make fun of it. So it was pretty funny, but 1387 01:11:57,140 --> 01:12:00,970 yeah, do you remember the groups that were involved when he when 1388 01:12:00,970 --> 01:12:02,530 he got killed? Wasn't one of them called the 1389 01:12:02,530 --> 01:12:05,930 Grays? So they all, I think what 1390 01:12:05,970 --> 01:12:08,850 happened was they were Masons to be quite honest. 1391 01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:14,290 They all painted their faces and and hid their identity because 1392 01:12:14,690 --> 01:12:18,610 he had taken the masonry stuff and he had taken it so far and 1393 01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:20,850 they found out he was going to like. 1394 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,600 Start letting women in the temple and all this stuff. 1395 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,440 They were pretty upset that he was changing it and he was 1396 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:32,680 making every person that he was involved with in the church a 1397 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,640 Mason will pretty soon. He had more members than they 1398 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,320 had in all the rest of the state so I think they were getting 1399 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:43,600 scared is what it was. But they never proved per se who 1400 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,080 like specifically because they painted their face. 1401 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,320 But. I I mean, I think. 1402 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:51,000 I think they were Masons and that's why he gave the Mason 1403 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,840 sign. Yeah, I think maybe was. 1404 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,680 I could be wrong. I think there might have been. 1405 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,560 Wasn't there like a militia there that was supposed? 1406 01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,720 To Melissa. You were supposed to protect 1407 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,320 him. And I think, like somehow they 1408 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,680 didn't. I think. 1409 01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,880 I think the name of them was. Called They were called. 1410 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,840 They were called the Grays. And I even thought that was kind 1411 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,700 of funny considering like what, you know, alien, like, you know, 1412 01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,700 aliens, you know, and there is some sort of kind of like, you 1413 01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:16,740 know, and I wouldn't say, I guess it is kind of like. 1414 01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:19,340 I hadn't heard that nickname, but it makes sense because they 1415 01:13:19,340 --> 01:13:22,620 would put mud on their face and mud dries and kind of turns the 1416 01:13:22,660 --> 01:13:26,100 Gray, too. Yeah, Crowley and Lamb, which 1417 01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:27,900 kind of looked like an early depiction of a Gray. 1418 01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:33,220 Oh yeah, and he, he flat admits, like he saw many apparitions 1419 01:13:33,220 --> 01:13:36,230 more than just. Like, what is documented, and 1420 01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:39,590 nobody knows that. Like, I didn't know that. 1421 01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:42,230 I didn't know any of this stuff. Like, I didn't know about this 1422 01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:43,550 stuff. Like, that's why they didn't 1423 01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:47,190 want us online, you know? And as soon as I started finding 1424 01:13:47,190 --> 01:13:50,350 out the smallest of things I was, I was out of there like 1425 01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:51,830 that. That was scary to me. 1426 01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:55,110 It had already pushed my exhusband over the limit with 1427 01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:58,230 the whole don't worry, you don't need to have your son sailed to 1428 01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:01,070 you because he already is. Because her exhusband and my 1429 01:14:01,630 --> 01:14:03,310 husband at the time, he was like. 1430 01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:08,740 And I'm done. Just call my son that loser's 1431 01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:10,860 son, that I'm raising her children. 1432 01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:14,740 Like he was so mad. And I was like, oh, and then you 1433 01:14:14,740 --> 01:14:17,500 start studying. And yeah, it went one thing into 1434 01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:19,820 another for me. Like I said, it went really bad 1435 01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:23,420 for me actually, because my oldest daughter at the time was 1436 01:14:23,420 --> 01:14:29,340 dating a missionary and he was on his mission and she was going 1437 01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:31,620 to get married to him, she thought and all this, so. 1438 01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:36,060 I was playing anti Mormon propaganda and my grandma found 1439 01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:39,020 out and went and filed C PS:. That I beat my child in her head 1440 01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:45,500 and neck daily while I was like 5 months pregnant and so a whole 1441 01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:48,780 investigation happened. She was like 17 1/2 and they 1442 01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:52,220 finally told her OK because they didn't buy it. 1443 01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:55,780 They were like, this is crazy. And so they said, all right, 1444 01:14:55,780 --> 01:15:00,130 well, if that's the truth then. You won't have a hard time 1445 01:15:00,130 --> 01:15:03,210 continuing this case, even after your 18th birthday, and we will 1446 01:15:03,210 --> 01:15:06,570 perjure you. And she just was like, I don't 1447 01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:08,530 even know what's on that paper. My grandma wrote it. 1448 01:15:09,970 --> 01:15:13,010 And so, yeah, my grandma did that. 1449 01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:17,690 Then she sued me for every penny that she'd ever spent on my 1450 01:15:17,690 --> 01:15:19,290 children. And then she told my whole 1451 01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:23,780 family I was a thief. And so nobody talks to me like 1452 01:15:24,060 --> 01:15:28,340 nobody like, I lost pretty much most of my family except my mom, 1453 01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:32,620 because she was out already. So yeah, it was rough. 1454 01:15:32,620 --> 01:15:35,100 It was a rough time. That was a rough time. 1455 01:15:35,780 --> 01:15:38,100 Wow, they. They really come after you and 1456 01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:41,580 the church, you know, I mean. She just couldn't have an 1457 01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:45,260 apostate for the only one. I was the only one that made it 1458 01:15:45,260 --> 01:15:47,700 like I was kind of like her extra kid because she took me in 1459 01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:49,620 at 12. And her other kids, none of them 1460 01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:53,700 had gone to the temples, so they were all pretty wild and unruly, 1461 01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:57,020 you know, I mean, like my uncle was a Sundowner. 1462 01:15:57,020 --> 01:15:59,460 I don't know if you know what that is, but like a Hell's 1463 01:15:59,460 --> 01:16:02,920 Angel? He was like, at the top of that. 1464 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,200 So I'm watching Sons of Anarchy and I'm like, this is real. 1465 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,800 Yeah, I was like my life. So she was really upset when 1466 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,120 that happened with me because I was like the good one, like I 1467 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,280 made it, you know? She had a higher expectations 1468 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:17,320 for you. Yeah, whoops. 1469 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,960 And I still have tons of family I love in, you know, And that's 1470 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,880 why I say about I'm not doing this to hurt anyone, but like 1471 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,720 this stuff, come on, like, nobody sees this stuff. 1472 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,180 Like. This is scary stuff you know 1473 01:16:29,180 --> 01:16:31,900 this isn't normal. You you've seen things like this 1474 01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:37,100 like this isn't normal. You know this is weird like and 1475 01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:39,940 I just feel like that people should know before they go in 1476 01:16:39,940 --> 01:16:41,820 because once you're in there it's too late. 1477 01:16:41,820 --> 01:16:44,300 They keep telling you you can leave like in the middle of the 1478 01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:47,380 ceremonies. Oh and the ceremonies back to 1479 01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:51,140 those weird pictures so after you get your name and do the 1480 01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:53,220 veil stuff. But that what the chanting is 1481 01:16:53,220 --> 01:16:58,670 what he asked about this. They used to say pale L and that 1482 01:16:58,670 --> 01:17:01,990 circle and what it is. And this is important for any 1483 01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:05,150 listeners that have like any family members, anything. 1484 01:17:05,150 --> 01:17:09,350 That was Joseph Smith's Mason Apron. 1485 01:17:09,550 --> 01:17:12,870 I thought that was interesting. Also, the aprons we used to wear 1486 01:17:13,950 --> 01:17:16,270 before 1960. Satan's apron. 1487 01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:18,950 Satan gives us that apron in the ceremony. 1488 01:17:19,630 --> 01:17:22,110 I like how you use the Deseret News, which is more known. 1489 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,160 And so they give us the creation story and then they're they're 1490 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:31,320 crying out like pale L to this. And pale L means, oh hear me, oh 1491 01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,360 false God. But people started knowing that 1492 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,240 what it meant. And then because in Hebrew, the 1493 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,120 way it's written and they changed it to now they just say 1494 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,040 three times, they raise their hands and say, oh God, here are 1495 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,160 the words of my mouth. And that's in the ceremony when 1496 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,480 they're doing it because somebody asked about that, but 1497 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:56,360 they do it over a book of names. So if anybody ever says, oh, oh 1498 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,480 not can I pray for you, they'll say, can I put your name on the 1499 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:02,440 temple list? Say no. 1500 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,960 That's the list in the middle, the guy holding that book in the 1501 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,930 center. Is the list of the names of all 1502 01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:13,010 the people like that are sick or problem or whatever their 1503 01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:14,970 grandma called in or whatever, whatever. 1504 01:18:15,330 --> 01:18:18,970 They put your name in there and they do that chanting over the 1505 01:18:18,970 --> 01:18:21,650 book. So don't say. 1506 01:18:21,650 --> 01:18:26,490 Yeah, yeah, that's how they help people out, apparently. 1507 01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:29,370 You know what? I wanted to ask you too, maybe. 1508 01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:32,530 You'll ask anything idea about it I guess. 1509 01:18:32,530 --> 01:18:35,650 Like with their missionary work, I guess I might have something 1510 01:18:35,650 --> 01:18:38,390 to do with it as well. But like you had mentioned 1511 01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:41,750 earlier about, I think them kind of like preaching to Native 1512 01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:45,830 Americans. Yes, Now I know that they also 1513 01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:50,510 kind of got huge with Hawaii. Recently and Latin America as 1514 01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:52,190 well. Do you think that's like a way 1515 01:18:52,190 --> 01:18:54,590 of them of still almost doing the same thing? 1516 01:18:56,150 --> 01:18:59,260 But my opinion, I think it's just like grow a cult. 1517 01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:04,300 I I actually too feel like it's because they're people to you. 1518 01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:06,260 Is there something with Hawaii that you think? 1519 01:19:06,260 --> 01:19:09,460 Yeah, I feel like the people that they reach out to the most, 1520 01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:11,900 like that, they come, they come as a liar. 1521 01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:13,820 You have to understand these young kids don't. 1522 01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:17,140 Do you think some young kid at 18 is studying this like I am? 1523 01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:19,660 No, he didn't. He went and did the stuff and 1524 01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:21,460 thought just like I did. This is weird. 1525 01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:23,500 My grandma said don't worry, it gets better. 1526 01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:24,940 You'll get used to it. That's it. 1527 01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:27,630 Literally. So you move on with your life 1528 01:19:27,670 --> 01:19:29,950 and you do this. It's not like you go once and 1529 01:19:29,950 --> 01:19:31,270 you're done. No, no, no. 1530 01:19:31,710 --> 01:19:35,110 Then you do all the genealogy. This is why they're so big into 1531 01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:37,990 genealogy for all of your family. 1532 01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:41,790 And they get every name that's ever been born and breathe the 1533 01:19:41,790 --> 01:19:44,230 breath on this earth. And they put it in the temple 1534 01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:46,470 records for you to go do that for them. 1535 01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:50,470 All of them. All the sigil magic, all the 1536 01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:53,270 crap. All the marriages, all the 1537 01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:55,770 baptisms. Everything for dead people. 1538 01:19:55,770 --> 01:19:58,530 And I know they did Hitler as well, by the way. 1539 01:19:58,730 --> 01:20:02,010 They got in trouble for it, so and then oh, and they started 1540 01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:05,010 doing all the Jews. Yeah, that died. 1541 01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:08,910 Over their faith. And there was a huge problem 1542 01:20:08,910 --> 01:20:12,070 with that the Jew, the Jews were like, Nope. 1543 01:20:12,150 --> 01:20:15,550 And they started getting their butt sewed off and they stopped. 1544 01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:21,070 So after that that was enough of that like they overstepped 1545 01:20:21,070 --> 01:20:24,990 boundaries on that one and there was a court intervention to stop 1546 01:20:24,990 --> 01:20:26,750 that to cease and desist on that. 1547 01:20:26,830 --> 01:20:29,550 And that is so wrong. They they died for what they 1548 01:20:29,550 --> 01:20:31,110 believed. You don't do that. 1549 01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:36,990 But so to your question, the preaching is these kids really 1550 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:41,190 go out there and say you can be with your family forever. 1551 01:20:41,710 --> 01:20:44,990 You can be with your wife for time and all eternity. 1552 01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:49,620 They want to hit on the people that are super family focused. 1553 01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:53,380 And Polynesians are very family focused and so are Latin people. 1554 01:20:53,740 --> 01:20:58,140 They're very into the whole, like, you know, unit of family 1555 01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:01,900 and keeping like grandmas and grandpas and extended and all 1556 01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:03,740 that. And I think they know it. 1557 01:21:03,940 --> 01:21:05,660 I think that's why they hit with that. 1558 01:21:05,660 --> 01:21:07,860 Because if their great grandpa died and they miss them a whole 1559 01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:10,300 bunch, they're like, oh, you'll be with him again and oh, in the 1560 01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:14,580 celestial, maybe in one of the kingdoms, because there's three. 1561 01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:17,500 You don't just have to. They always one up everything. 1562 01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:19,060 There's not even just one heaven. 1563 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:23,380 I heard that Mormonism is really big in Brazil. 1564 01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:27,900 It is because, again, you're talking to what Latin 1565 01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:32,300 communities that are very like, they take care of their 1566 01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:34,820 grandmas, they take care of their grandpas, they take care 1567 01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:37,180 of, you know. Well then, like with the whole, 1568 01:21:37,180 --> 01:21:40,620 like not allowing black people into the church for so long, it 1569 01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:43,660 became problematic because a lot of people in Brazil have mixed 1570 01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:45,830 heritage. So then they made the rule, 1571 01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:49,230 like, if you're of African heritage, yeah, can be part of 1572 01:21:49,230 --> 01:21:52,470 the church, but a lot of Brazilians probably are not 1573 01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:55,150 African. They they allow anybody. 1574 01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:59,510 So now it's like, but that's the problem when you have like a 1575 01:21:59,710 --> 01:22:03,190 different profit, like all the time and like, right, this just 1576 01:22:03,190 --> 01:22:05,150 be like, Oh well, I have a revelation. 1577 01:22:05,150 --> 01:22:07,550 Yeah, that's what they. Do this is OK. 1578 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:10,870 That's what That's OK, right? They they didn't do it till 1579 01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:13,760 segregation ended. And and then there were a whole 1580 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,120 bunch of people upset about it. There's a whole thing. 1581 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,440 There's many. Like, not just one. 1582 01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:21,640 There are many editions of something called the Journal of 1583 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,480 Discourses. And that is everything that 1584 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,680 prophets have ever said that they changed. 1585 01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,760 So like, if they're like, oh, he was wrong, but This is why. 1586 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,000 But blah blah, but we took it out, blah, blah, blah. 1587 01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,320 Like it's all these things and there's so many of them. 1588 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,480 I don't even know how many versions there are now. 1589 01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:39,240 It'd take you a lifetime to go through them. 1590 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:44,090 And they lock all those up. They lock them up and and they 1591 01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:47,010 try to take him down. They're they're not one of the 1592 01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:49,850 richest churches for no reason. And they're smart. 1593 01:22:50,170 --> 01:22:52,690 They're no fool. And then on top of it, with the 1594 01:22:52,690 --> 01:22:55,570 Masonic hand shakes and Masonic ties, they can get in there with 1595 01:22:55,570 --> 01:22:59,330 big players in the world. I believe the Mormons are 1596 01:22:59,850 --> 01:23:02,410 running things right along with the assault. 1597 01:23:02,530 --> 01:23:04,650 Yeah, no, I I have said that plenty of times. 1598 01:23:04,650 --> 01:23:07,090 I mean, they own, like I said, they own like a fifth, I think, 1599 01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:08,970 of the private property in the United States. 1600 01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:12,410 I think they own the most orange fields in the United States, in 1601 01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:15,810 Florida. I mean they're like, you know, 1602 01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:19,210 like I had mentioned something, I don't know what it is, but I 1603 01:23:19,210 --> 01:23:21,530 do think that might be something up with Hawaii and I think that 1604 01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:25,610 has to do with the cultism. I I'm almost positive that when 1605 01:23:25,610 --> 01:23:29,850 the the Shriners were coming over from a trip to Hawaii, they 1606 01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:32,650 came up with the idea of the Order of Quatsico on their boat. 1607 01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:37,110 Oh, the Mormons and Quatzicodal, They they Yeah, they're. 1608 01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:40,470 Seeing there's Mormons who actually go to that pyramid and 1609 01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:43,150 walk it because of Quatzicodal and then still so does the Order 1610 01:23:43,150 --> 01:23:46,630 of Quatzicodal, which is may sign an inner and inner order of 1611 01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:50,110 the Shriners or Meeson still, yeah, very, very weird 1612 01:23:50,110 --> 01:23:52,310 connections with that. And then you mentioned Brazil, 1613 01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:55,630 and like Brazil, in my opinion, you know, not saying it's go to 1614 01:23:55,630 --> 01:23:58,790 bed, depending on how you look at things, is a hotbed of 1615 01:23:58,790 --> 01:24:02,060 occultism and spiritualism. And it's like you have them 1616 01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:04,580 going over there and they're, they're probably excuses. 1617 01:24:04,580 --> 01:24:07,820 Oh, we got to go save them from their horrible right, Save them. 1618 01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:12,300 But like I don't buy that. And if they see all this weird 1619 01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:18,620 stuff, if they are into a tribal or a an occultic type mindset, I 1620 01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:22,260 think it's easier to bring them in, you know, And then and I I 1621 01:24:22,260 --> 01:24:25,740 really think it's like an easier transition for somebody because 1622 01:24:25,740 --> 01:24:28,740 they see, oh, well, they believe in this or they believe in that 1623 01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:32,160 or they believe that God isn't just the Trinity. 1624 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,840 Like they believe in separate gods. 1625 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,440 Oh, what does that mean? You know, like, is this more 1626 01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:39,080 acceptable? I feel like it's like more. 1627 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,560 It's like more accepting. But you have to also remember 1628 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:48,000 that they make you feel so loved and so, like, you're everything 1629 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,320 until you get to a certain level. 1630 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,160 And they still do that. But then you're so watched. 1631 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,480 Everything is regimented. Everything is watched. 1632 01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,520 Everything is how are you doing this? 1633 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,400 How are you doing that? Do your kids go to every 1634 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:02,320 activity do? Are you? 1635 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,080 I mean, there it's something every day, almost of the week. 1636 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:09,350 It's it's like you know young men's meeting, young women's 1637 01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:13,910 meeting, primary meeting, church on Sunday, relief society 1638 01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:16,190 meeting for the moms. Don't forget the priesthood 1639 01:25:16,190 --> 01:25:18,950 meetings for the dads. Then we have to go and do our 1640 01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:22,870 visiting teaching which you have to go together with a partner 1641 01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:26,790 and go do teaching to other people in the church and then 1642 01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:29,030 you have to go. I mean it's like, it's the it's, 1643 01:25:29,150 --> 01:25:33,990 it's the most busiest miserable and you're hot because you got 1644 01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:38,890 got the garments on. So you're like, I don't think I 1645 01:25:38,890 --> 01:25:42,010 was ever more hot, miserable or sick in my life. 1646 01:25:42,850 --> 01:25:45,770 And you're just weighed down and you never feel good enough 1647 01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:49,450 because they don't want you to. They do everything with guilt, 1648 01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:53,490 you know, They want you to feel like bad, like, Oh my gosh, I 1649 01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:54,970 broke down and had a cup of coffee. 1650 01:25:54,970 --> 01:25:56,530 I'm going straight to hell for that one. 1651 01:25:56,530 --> 01:25:59,450 Like, not normal things, you know, that's not normal. 1652 01:25:59,450 --> 01:26:02,690 But hey, enjoy a Coke because we own the company. 1653 01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:06,430 So. Like, it's like the nicest mafia 1654 01:26:06,430 --> 01:26:08,790 in the world. It's like they are a mafia. 1655 01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:11,350 Smile and then just. Yeah. 1656 01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:13,350 And have you seen how they speak? 1657 01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:15,710 Like there's something called General conference that happens 1658 01:26:15,710 --> 01:26:19,630 a couple times a year and it's when everybody stays home and 1659 01:26:19,630 --> 01:26:23,430 everybody's to watch the TV, everyone, anyone in the church 1660 01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:25,950 must watch. It's the prophets going to talk 1661 01:26:25,950 --> 01:26:29,070 and address, address the members, the either the Quorum 1662 01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:33,010 of the 70, the Quorum of the 12 or the Prophet. 1663 01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:34,970 And there's a Godhead on that too. 1664 01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:38,490 There's three and then there's 12, just like the apostles, and 1665 01:26:38,490 --> 01:26:42,250 then there's 70, right. So that's how it is. 1666 01:26:42,570 --> 01:26:46,170 And you have to go and listen to them talk and speak about 1667 01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:47,650 whatever they've got on their mind. 1668 01:26:47,650 --> 01:26:51,450 But everybody's supposed to do it, and they speak like this, 1669 01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:55,050 and they're so nice and sweet. They're white and delightsome, 1670 01:26:55,050 --> 01:26:58,570 too. And it's just like the strangest 1671 01:26:58,570 --> 01:27:01,530 thing. It's so unnatural masculinity. 1672 01:27:01,610 --> 01:27:05,410 It's not even as a child I was like, what's wrong with him? 1673 01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:09,810 You know, Like, I mean, you just feel that it's not normal. 1674 01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:13,890 Like, even as a kid I was always like, wow, he is weird, you 1675 01:27:13,890 --> 01:27:15,950 know? And to this day, I don't. 1676 01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:19,030 I my husband works in a mine and wears work boots. 1677 01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:21,590 I'm one. I just like guys that are one 1678 01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:24,550 step above Neanderthal. Like I want nothing. 1679 01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:28,750 I want nothing to do with the white and delight some sweet and 1680 01:27:28,750 --> 01:27:31,710 innocent little, you know, it's just too much, I guess. 1681 01:27:31,710 --> 01:27:33,550 He is super white. He has a redhead. 1682 01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:38,300 But yeah, my husband and my exhusband, Ginger. 1683 01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:43,140 I got a got a ginger thing. Something I wanted to ask you. 1684 01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:45,980 You mentioned it before only because of I guess time 1685 01:27:45,980 --> 01:27:47,660 constraints. I don't have much time to go 1686 01:27:47,780 --> 01:27:50,980 into it too much. But I somebody brought it up in 1687 01:27:50,980 --> 01:27:53,660 the Chad and it it was something that actually was going through 1688 01:27:53,660 --> 01:27:55,500 my mind especially when you mentioned that you were Mick 1689 01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:59,100 Mack. I had somebody come on the 1690 01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:02,220 occult rejects I think for a two or three port series my boy 1691 01:28:02,220 --> 01:28:04,780 Thresh. And we covered Native Americans. 1692 01:28:05,690 --> 01:28:11,890 And there was a lot of symbolism and stuff that they use that you 1693 01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:16,730 see crossover right into a cult I. 1694 01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:21,250 Bet you know, and I'm not going to start with the chicken or the 1695 01:28:21,290 --> 01:28:24,490 egg, whichever came first, but there is. 1696 01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:29,620 They are using the same symbols well, and that's why I'm a 1697 01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:33,140 little bit Mick Mack is because my great, great, great, great. 1698 01:28:33,140 --> 01:28:36,940 I mean, even in my DNA it's like you're a Mormon settler, like 1699 01:28:36,940 --> 01:28:39,140 boom. It's like that generational 1700 01:28:39,140 --> 01:28:45,060 curse was super fun to work on. But anyway, he was a missionary 1701 01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:49,340 in Canada trying to convert people and he married a Mick 1702 01:28:49,340 --> 01:28:51,980 Mack Princess. And so that's why I know that 1703 01:28:51,980 --> 01:28:55,060 and it did come up on my DNA. It didn't come up as Native 1704 01:28:55,060 --> 01:28:57,060 American. It came up as Aboriginal 1705 01:28:57,060 --> 01:29:01,330 Canadian. So it's definitely a true story. 1706 01:29:01,570 --> 01:29:04,370 I mean it was, I was always kind of like with my mom, she's super 1707 01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:06,090 brown. I'm super white and I'm like, 1708 01:29:06,290 --> 01:29:09,850 sure, mom, you're just trying to figure it out like, but they but 1709 01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:12,770 they all are. They all are like not super. 1710 01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:15,210 I would say like you like nice olive skin. 1711 01:29:15,210 --> 01:29:17,370 They tan, they got nice dark hair. 1712 01:29:17,370 --> 01:29:20,570 I'm like, I came out and I'm like dirty blonde, green eyes, 1713 01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:22,650 super white. And they're like, what happened 1714 01:29:22,650 --> 01:29:27,330 to that one? I'm sure that oh she's white and 1715 01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:29,450 delights them. No, she can stay. 1716 01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:36,450 It's a strange and I have so many other things I could like I 1717 01:29:36,450 --> 01:29:37,490 sent you a whole bunch of things. 1718 01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:40,690 But like when you're trying to and you said this in one of your 1719 01:29:40,690 --> 01:29:45,090 skinwalker episodes, when you're trying to break this down, it 1720 01:29:45,090 --> 01:29:47,530 could go everywhere. Like it's so much. 1721 01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:50,890 I could probably do A10 part series on Mormonism if I 1722 01:29:50,890 --> 01:29:53,090 arranged it correctly and went through each thing. 1723 01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:54,810 But what? How do you even get there? 1724 01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:57,890 You know it's so much. It's like. 1725 01:29:58,490 --> 01:30:01,530 Just even watching, like, even with those ancestry sites you 1726 01:30:01,530 --> 01:30:05,090 were talking about, I was using those things and like literally 1727 01:30:05,090 --> 01:30:08,450 looking at like, lists of ships that came over here with like 1728 01:30:08,450 --> 01:30:12,050 them just piling, which is I thought was another weird thing. 1729 01:30:12,290 --> 01:30:15,690 Joseph Smith started it here, but yet we had tons of people 1730 01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:18,130 from Europe coming over here to join, right? 1731 01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:20,950 Right. No, I think I honestly. 1732 01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:23,270 A lot of boats were leaving from Liverpool, coming straight to 1733 01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:27,150 New York and and guess what? My other ancestry is almost 1734 01:30:27,310 --> 01:30:29,910 completely Welsh and English, Scottish and Irish. 1735 01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:33,630 Like it's like a little bit Scottish, Irish and a ton Welsh 1736 01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:35,270 and English and and you're right. 1737 01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:38,430 And it's really an odd I don't believe I know this. 1738 01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:40,750 I'm a conspiracy theorist. Whatever. 1739 01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:45,690 I don't believe this story of America is what they say it is 1740 01:30:45,690 --> 01:30:48,770 at all, at all. And I won't say the pledge even 1741 01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:52,090 though I love America and I love my every person in my family 1742 01:30:52,090 --> 01:30:55,690 served and my brother died and he was in the Navy and like all 1743 01:30:55,690 --> 01:30:59,130 my uncles, one of them's a Green Beret and he's like airborne and 1744 01:30:59,290 --> 01:31:01,490 like a big deal. And by the way, he agrees with 1745 01:31:01,490 --> 01:31:05,210 me and he's done super secret missions. 1746 01:31:05,250 --> 01:31:10,250 But anyways, I believe in all of the men and people that it's 1747 01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:13,760 just like the Mormon church, like the cool or good, but the 1748 01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,320 top. Top, it's no way, you know? 1749 01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,960 And I, my son's the same way. He won't do the pledge. 1750 01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,320 He won't. He's like, I'm not swearing to 1751 01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,880 anything that's not God. Like that's not God. 1752 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,800 I'm not. And he's right. 1753 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,040 You know, it's Mason. It's Masonic. 1754 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,520 And I think there's a lot more that there were people here. 1755 01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,640 I think. I don't think there was. 1756 01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,450 Not not just Native Americans, I think. 1757 01:31:37,450 --> 01:31:41,090 They've even shown like proof of like is free the Vikings. 1758 01:31:41,170 --> 01:31:43,690 The Knights Templar like actually like building stuff 1759 01:31:43,690 --> 01:31:46,530 here. Prior, if you just going, you 1760 01:31:46,530 --> 01:31:48,930 know, I don't think they ship the Statue of Liberty here. 1761 01:31:48,930 --> 01:31:50,570 That's a bullcrap story. How? 1762 01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:55,290 I thought of that before just going by your the Mormon text, 1763 01:31:55,290 --> 01:31:58,210 though I think according to them they were here before 1764 01:31:58,210 --> 01:32:01,850 Christopher Columbus. I think they have ideas that 1765 01:32:02,690 --> 01:32:04,570 they may have. One group may have went to 1766 01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:06,990 Mexico and the other to Canada. They didn't. 1767 01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:10,030 They kind of like meet and you had the knee fights and the 1768 01:32:10,030 --> 01:32:11,510 other ones and that they're fighting. 1769 01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:13,670 They have Lamanites. Yes, the Lamanite. 1770 01:32:13,670 --> 01:32:15,430 Yeah, Lamanites. But here's the thing that's. 1771 01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:17,150 Another thing, Lamb. You're getting lamb again. 1772 01:32:17,150 --> 01:32:19,470 There. The hill, Camorra. 1773 01:32:19,470 --> 01:32:21,550 There's no way. It was literally in his 1774 01:32:21,550 --> 01:32:23,950 backyard. They the church owns it. 1775 01:32:23,950 --> 01:32:26,070 They won't dig it up. They won't show any. 1776 01:32:26,110 --> 01:32:28,470 They have no relics. I mean, if all this stuff 1777 01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:30,750 happened and that huge war happened that they talk about, 1778 01:32:30,750 --> 01:32:33,230 then how come there's no relics? How come we can't prove 1779 01:32:33,230 --> 01:32:36,020 anything? How come you know you can do 1780 01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:37,900 that with the Bible of the Dead Sea Scrolls? 1781 01:32:37,900 --> 01:32:39,420 You can do that with other things. 1782 01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:42,340 But he would say things, like about the golden plates. 1783 01:32:42,340 --> 01:32:47,420 Oh, well, if you set your eyes upon it, then you'll, you'll die 1784 01:32:47,540 --> 01:32:49,500 or whatever. But there were some people that 1785 01:32:49,500 --> 01:32:52,020 did and pressed him on it. And then he's like, just 1786 01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:53,700 kidding. Those aren't really it. 1787 01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:59,870 And I'm like, OK, that was super convenient, you know, And I just 1788 01:32:59,870 --> 01:33:03,150 think that what happened was this Lumens guy that came to 1789 01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:07,030 town, he was reading Greek to the people there. 1790 01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:11,110 And the people were like, Oh my gosh, this guy has this magical 1791 01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:13,670 book. Look it, it's this magical book. 1792 01:33:13,670 --> 01:33:17,030 And it was like, I can't even remember what Greek book it was. 1793 01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:20,350 But it's, it wasn't magical. It was just a book. 1794 01:33:20,350 --> 01:33:23,590 And he was reading in Greek. And so I think he saw him doing 1795 01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:25,310 that. And the guy did it for like a 1796 01:33:25,310 --> 01:33:27,190 year or two and then they ran him out of town. 1797 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,520 And I think Joseph Smith saw this and went HM. 1798 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,520 Maybe treasure digging is too hard. 1799 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,200 I have a bum leg. I'm not doing that. 1800 01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,840 I'm just gonna do this instead. But I do think he encountered a 1801 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,520 creepy Angel, only because I believe Alistair Crowley's story 1802 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,210 too, and Scientology and all of it. 1803 01:33:46,210 --> 01:33:49,010 And I think what he was doing was he was going out because he 1804 01:33:49,010 --> 01:33:50,650 couldn't get the plates for four years. 1805 01:33:50,650 --> 01:33:52,730 I think he was summoning, summoning things. 1806 01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:54,770 Look at those charts. Look at all the dead people he 1807 01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:56,490 said he saw. He wasn't, he wasn't a 1808 01:33:56,490 --> 01:33:58,930 necromancee. I mean, like I said, the cult of 1809 01:33:58,930 --> 01:34:02,050 Abraxas thing. It makes so much sense that he 1810 01:34:02,050 --> 01:34:05,930 was a necromancer demon because. Well, it sounds like he was 1811 01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:07,850 crying when he was even just reading the plates. 1812 01:34:07,930 --> 01:34:09,330 I mean, it was just like he was crying. 1813 01:34:09,330 --> 01:34:11,870 That's what he was doing well and it was automatic driving. 1814 01:34:11,870 --> 01:34:12,910 And he said it. Yeah. 1815 01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:16,630 And I'm like, that's such a lie. And and he, I mean he said it 1816 01:34:16,630 --> 01:34:20,190 was all written originally in Egyptian hieroglyphs, but I 1817 01:34:20,190 --> 01:34:22,430 don't believe that. I think it was a Nokian alphabet 1818 01:34:23,870 --> 01:34:25,630 because they said they were all symbols. 1819 01:34:25,630 --> 01:34:27,230 And then he would translate it later. 1820 01:34:27,950 --> 01:34:31,510 And So what he would write down after he put his head in the hat 1821 01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:35,110 and get in the dark and think of what do you think of the hat you 1822 01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:37,870 see with with magicians and what do they say? 1823 01:34:38,170 --> 01:34:40,170 Dabra cadabra. Because they make it so. 1824 01:34:40,850 --> 01:34:44,250 And that is a magical word and you know it and it comes from 1825 01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:47,210 the House of a BRAC. And it's just too many 1826 01:34:47,210 --> 01:34:49,410 coincidences. There's no proof for that other 1827 01:34:49,410 --> 01:34:52,330 than there is proof that she was in the House of a BRAC because 1828 01:34:52,370 --> 01:34:54,810 she broke. Yeah. 1829 01:34:55,330 --> 01:34:58,530 And I'm like, I'm like, there's something going on with that. 1830 01:34:58,530 --> 01:35:00,650 Like, you can't. I don't know that you can make 1831 01:35:00,650 --> 01:35:03,410 that much up. Like everybody says, oh, he made 1832 01:35:03,410 --> 01:35:05,130 it up. I don't think he made it up. 1833 01:35:05,770 --> 01:35:07,730 I think there's a lot more to that story. 1834 01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:11,490 And same thing with Curly I same thing with Parsons, same thing 1835 01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:13,410 with Muhammad, same thing with them all. 1836 01:35:13,410 --> 01:35:16,370 Which is why I want to nail down a John D specialist and have a 1837 01:35:16,370 --> 01:35:20,650 chat cuz I'm like, hey, there's too much similarities here. 1838 01:35:20,730 --> 01:35:23,370 This is weird. Well, you know what, I I do 1839 01:35:23,370 --> 01:35:26,170 think it, you know, it's I think you could easily pull this off 1840 01:35:26,170 --> 01:35:30,050 like if you were taking an old story or something that's 1841 01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:32,450 happened before. Or you wanted to, like, 1842 01:35:32,450 --> 01:35:36,530 plagiarize this stuff. Like, if these people are buying 1843 01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:40,050 your shit, they're basically like they're in a time in their 1844 01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:42,170 life where they're like searching for anything, but it's 1845 01:35:42,170 --> 01:35:44,690 like they're trying to find this positive. 1846 01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:48,360 Positive God or this positive entity that's going to change 1847 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:49,960 their life. It's not like they're going down 1848 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,880 the other Rd. where they're like, oh, I want to like, you 1849 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,800 know, get into some dark, deep shit because I'm business, 1850 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:54,560 right? Or whatever. 1851 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,280 I'm not looking into a cultism. They're looking for a religion, 1852 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,560 you know what I'm saying? They want so these people will 1853 01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,360 have no idea about the other shit because they not exposed to 1854 01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,440 it. It's like Christianity on 1855 01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:08,560 cocaine, that's what it is. Because it's like elevated. 1856 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,950 It's like, OK, I can't be an occult person, but this stuff is 1857 01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:16,110 cool And they still believe in Christ, but kind of, because 1858 01:36:16,110 --> 01:36:19,070 it's not the same Christ. By the way, the Holy Ghost is 1859 01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:21,430 different than Christ. That's different than God. 1860 01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:24,030 And they believe God was a man. But don't worry, because someday 1861 01:36:24,030 --> 01:36:26,710 you'll get your own planet. And then they retracted that and 1862 01:36:26,710 --> 01:36:29,390 I'm like, that's bullshit. I learned that in seminary, 1863 01:36:29,710 --> 01:36:32,830 Like, they talk to you about Planet Khlob and that you're 1864 01:36:32,830 --> 01:36:35,670 going to go and make spirit children for all your life. 1865 01:36:35,670 --> 01:36:38,470 And that's the spirits we bring down. 1866 01:36:38,830 --> 01:36:41,070 And that's why they push us having so many babies. 1867 01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:44,030 They're like, oh, you want to bring your baby spirits down 1868 01:36:44,030 --> 01:36:45,150 from heaven? Because it would. 1869 01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:48,030 They believe we live in a preexistence. 1870 01:36:48,030 --> 01:36:50,310 They believe we're alive before creation. 1871 01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:52,390 And so they have all these stories. 1872 01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:54,870 Like, Joseph Smith had an answer for everything. 1873 01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:58,670 And for that, my friend, I tip my hat and you can use it to put 1874 01:36:58,670 --> 01:37:01,150 your rock in. Because I'm telling you this, he 1875 01:37:01,150 --> 01:37:05,590 was one smart cookie. He was no dummy. 1876 01:37:06,050 --> 01:37:09,530 I mean if and they say that he was super charismatic, I mean he 1877 01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:12,250 had to been 34 wives. You serious? 1878 01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:16,610 Like and and even nowadays the way polygamy runs, you can't go 1879 01:37:16,610 --> 01:37:20,010 marry somebody else's wife, OK, That's not a thing. 1880 01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:23,210 He was sending men on missions, which is where the missioning 1881 01:37:23,210 --> 01:37:26,330 started from. He was sending them out to be 1882 01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:29,490 missionaries and banging their wives and that's the truth. 1883 01:37:30,010 --> 01:37:32,690 He was hooking up with them and marrying them. 1884 01:37:32,690 --> 01:37:34,890 Doing what King David did in the Bible. 1885 01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:36,130 Yeah, exactly. Yes. 1886 01:37:36,810 --> 01:37:39,610 Yes. And I'm like, OK, well, you 1887 01:37:39,610 --> 01:37:41,370 know, you gotta. And they said you could be in a 1888 01:37:41,370 --> 01:37:43,050 room with him and you would leave. 1889 01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:46,650 Like all these accounts that people he excommunicated and 1890 01:37:46,650 --> 01:37:49,690 treated like crap. They said if you were in a room 1891 01:37:49,690 --> 01:37:52,770 alone with him, even if you he owed you money anything you 1892 01:37:52,770 --> 01:37:55,860 would leave the room smiling because he was so charming and 1893 01:37:55,860 --> 01:37:58,500 I'm like, I bet he was. I bet he was. 1894 01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:00,140 And they say it was pretty good looking. 1895 01:38:00,660 --> 01:38:04,340 Although I saw a picture and he remarkably from I'll send it to 1896 01:38:04,340 --> 01:38:06,420 you looks like Epstein, which is pretty weird. 1897 01:38:07,020 --> 01:38:12,780 But I'm like they say he only had eleven children with his 1898 01:38:12,780 --> 01:38:14,900 wife. OK, six of them or five of them 1899 01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:17,100 died. He has all these other wives and 1900 01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:19,740 not one other kid. Bullshit. 1901 01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:23,380 Bullshit, they say. Oh, no, no, no. 1902 01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:26,100 He didn't have any other kids. He's banging half of the 1903 01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:29,020 freaking town. What are you talking about? 1904 01:38:29,020 --> 01:38:31,780 Nobody else got pregnant but the one lady that got thrown down 1905 01:38:31,780 --> 01:38:35,180 the stairs. Like, no, I highly doubt that. 1906 01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:37,460 By the way, she went on to marry Brigham Young. 1907 01:38:37,580 --> 01:38:43,300 That Lady, it's a it's a twisted web we weave. 1908 01:38:43,340 --> 01:38:45,500 So much drama. Oh, it. 1909 01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:46,180 Gets, you know. Really. 1910 01:38:46,820 --> 01:38:49,100 You remember? Do you know who Lucy Bigelow 1911 01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:52,190 was? Steve Figalo, All right. 1912 01:38:52,190 --> 01:38:54,870 Now she she was like an earlier female name, kind of like in the 1913 01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:58,710 beginning of Mormonism. But I I was really trying. 1914 01:38:59,270 --> 01:39:01,870 I was funny something. Wrote a book that was his 1915 01:39:01,950 --> 01:39:05,150 cousin. Tie her to Bob Bigelow from Skim 1916 01:39:05,150 --> 01:39:06,310 Walker Ranch. Robert Bigelow. 1917 01:39:07,230 --> 01:39:08,950 Yeah, I was just like everybody else. 1918 01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:11,910 Everybody else with that ranch has has been a Mormon except for 1919 01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:14,030 him. And you got another last name. 1920 01:39:14,030 --> 01:39:17,910 That match is a well known man, and I bet he's a Mason if he's 1921 01:39:17,950 --> 01:39:20,030 not a Mormon. He's definitely, I definitely 1922 01:39:20,030 --> 01:39:22,630 think he's an occultism because like he even like he offered 1923 01:39:22,630 --> 01:39:27,070 some like I think it was like $100,000 or something to like 1924 01:39:27,390 --> 01:39:30,430 the person who could like write the best I guess thing on their 1925 01:39:30,430 --> 01:39:34,430 opinion on is there life after death and if there is So what is 1926 01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:36,430 it? And like, just to me, it's like 1927 01:39:36,430 --> 01:39:38,630 I think he, I think he wanted to find an occultist. 1928 01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,920 Well, you know why? Because I think the Kabbalah, 1929 01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:45,280 you know, with Joseph Smith and all the degrees of heaven that I 1930 01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:49,200 mentioned, it's so similar. I bet you he knows some of this 1931 01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,040 stuff, this guy, you know, I don't know that guy. 1932 01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:57,360 But I've listened to your series on him and I I definitely 1933 01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,480 believe that This is why I believe it was an Angel. 1934 01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:05,200 An Angel magic and weird stuff is because they are too into woo 1935 01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,160 woo. There's too much going on. 1936 01:40:08,670 --> 01:40:12,590 But the Mormon church, the weird occult stuff, the woo woo stuff, 1937 01:40:12,630 --> 01:40:16,470 the skinwalker ranch, other things like that, they are too 1938 01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:18,950 into it. There is something up there and 1939 01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:22,390 Native American stuff too, to go into that because you know that 1940 01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:24,790 they they talk to gods. Those are not. 1941 01:40:25,710 --> 01:40:30,310 They're they're probably fallen angels or demons, most likely. 1942 01:40:30,750 --> 01:40:33,030 I mean, we know that there's power in that. 1943 01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:36,070 And the thing that people skip over, they want to talk all 1944 01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:38,470 about King James in the Bible, but they sure forgot about the 1945 01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:40,270 book on demonology that he wrote. 1946 01:40:40,510 --> 01:40:43,590 And it's just as important because here's the thing, 1947 01:40:44,190 --> 01:40:46,790 whether if you want to practice it, go ahead. 1948 01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:49,190 But if you want to be a Christian, you better know your 1949 01:40:49,190 --> 01:40:51,390 enemy. Because why do football people 1950 01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:54,230 go study their teams that they're going to go up against 1951 01:40:54,230 --> 01:40:57,390 the next week or the next week? Yeah, you got to run the plays 1952 01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:59,550 and know who you're facing. Period. 1953 01:40:59,990 --> 01:41:02,030 If you don't know anything, good luck. 1954 01:41:02,430 --> 01:41:05,790 Good luck to you. Because stuff happens, weird 1955 01:41:05,790 --> 01:41:09,110 stuff happens, and this world is not explained like they say it 1956 01:41:09,110 --> 01:41:12,510 is. There's no way, there's no way. 1957 01:41:12,670 --> 01:41:15,790 I truly believe that there's some weird stuff out there. 1958 01:41:16,590 --> 01:41:19,270 But that's just me. I mean, I'm sure you and I'm so 1959 01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:22,230 curious when you look at those sigils, what you think later 1960 01:41:22,230 --> 01:41:25,110 like if you get time to study and maybe some of them will say 1961 01:41:25,110 --> 01:41:27,900 something more on there? I do have someone saying that 1962 01:41:27,900 --> 01:41:30,740 that we're looking pentagram might have been the, you know, a 1963 01:41:30,740 --> 01:41:33,020 magus symbol. So I will add, right. 1964 01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:35,180 I meant to say that before when I saw him. 1965 01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:37,380 So it's. So I think he definitely had a 1966 01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:39,380 copy of the Magus. And the church goes back and 1967 01:41:39,380 --> 01:41:41,020 forth and says he had no way to get it. 1968 01:41:41,020 --> 01:41:43,980 And I'm like, bullcrap, what about the guy that came when he 1969 01:41:43,980 --> 01:41:47,180 was like 1314, right about the time he said this all happened? 1970 01:41:47,540 --> 01:41:50,500 He had been traveling to Europe. He was a doctor. 1971 01:41:50,620 --> 01:41:52,900 What are you talking about? He didn't have access. 1972 01:41:52,900 --> 01:41:55,100 That guy probably had all kinds of access. 1973 01:41:55,340 --> 01:41:57,460 He was the one reading the to people. 1974 01:41:57,820 --> 01:41:59,340 Hey, I wish I could remember the book. 1975 01:41:59,340 --> 01:42:01,260 It's like a really famous Greek one. 1976 01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:05,460 But he was like, people thought he was magical because of it. 1977 01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:10,260 They were like, oh look, magical, you know, because he he 1978 01:42:10,260 --> 01:42:12,380 could understand it, which is weird. 1979 01:42:13,060 --> 01:42:14,420 I don't know all. Right. 1980 01:42:14,420 --> 01:42:16,580 I think we'll wrap it up to actually getting pretty close to 1981 01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:19,380 the kids coming home. And we've been going on for now, 1982 01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:23,060 no, no problem at all. I've enjoyed it. 1983 01:42:23,180 --> 01:42:26,900 You know, I probably could have a lot more to tell you someday 1984 01:42:26,900 --> 01:42:28,300 if you ever want me back. So. 1985 01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:30,860 Yeah, no, like I like I said and you know, you did cover a lot of 1986 01:42:30,860 --> 01:42:31,900 it. I was very interested in like 1987 01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:34,180 the actual practices in the church and the, you know, that 1988 01:42:34,180 --> 01:42:37,660 lot of the ritual stuff cuz you know, I just think it's, you 1989 01:42:37,660 --> 01:42:40,420 know, it's peppered with occultism that moment it 1990 01:42:40,460 --> 01:42:42,660 definitely, I think you're 100% right. 1991 01:42:42,660 --> 01:42:45,740 I'm gonna watch that Gnostic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1992 01:42:45,740 --> 01:42:48,140 Check out the beginning of that. They will go through the hands 1993 01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:50,570 and signs. And I do think you'll see some 1994 01:42:50,570 --> 01:42:51,770 commonalities. Very weird. 1995 01:42:51,930 --> 01:42:52,890 Very weird. That's why. 1996 01:42:53,010 --> 01:42:55,090 That's wild. And I do think you're right. 1997 01:42:55,090 --> 01:42:59,090 I think they cross and I think there's too many important 1998 01:42:59,090 --> 01:43:01,650 Mormons. They're in too many important 1999 01:43:01,650 --> 01:43:05,570 like positions. I I'm not buying that. 2000 01:43:05,570 --> 01:43:08,050 It's all just innocent. And there's temples like we when 2001 01:43:08,050 --> 01:43:11,330 we get if you ever talk to me again or whatever, but or listen 2002 01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:13,690 to some of the other ones, there's underground tunnel 2003 01:43:13,690 --> 01:43:15,410 systems. There's somebody was just 2004 01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:19,300 mentioning that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's stuff. 2005 01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:21,700 It's weird. Oh yeah, there was other stuff I 2006 01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:23,300 could have gotten into. And I was like that's a whole 2007 01:43:23,300 --> 01:43:25,260 other topic if, yeah, that's why I didn't. 2008 01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:28,180 I was like if I go there we're going to get way. 2009 01:43:28,180 --> 01:43:32,260 It's already hard enough to corral like to stay on topic, 2010 01:43:32,260 --> 01:43:34,380 so. Thank you very much. 2011 01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:36,740 No, that was great. Thank you so much. 2012 01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:39,350 Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me. 2013 01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:41,590 Teresa, thank you very much for jumping on. 2014 01:43:41,670 --> 01:43:43,990 I didn't get it before. I was gonna have you do it and I 2015 01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:45,910 think I just forgot. But you want to plug your show? 2016 01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:49,910 Go ahead first. Thank you. 2017 01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:51,510 Yeah. So it was really interesting. 2018 01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:55,110 Heidi, thank you so much. I thought I knew a lot of, like, 2019 01:43:55,110 --> 01:43:59,750 Mormon beliefs, but like, man, you know, my favorite wave 2020 01:44:00,430 --> 01:44:01,030 episode? I'm like. 2021 01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:05,070 That's crazy. But yeah, thank you. 2022 01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:08,230 Yeah. So if people want to hear more 2023 01:44:08,230 --> 01:44:11,710 from me, they can see me on the Spiritual Gangsters podcast with 2024 01:44:11,710 --> 01:44:14,030 you. And also we have that new 2025 01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:18,790 awesome live Monday mornings. Definitely check it out. 2026 01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:21,190 So fun. We got a really a lot of good 2027 01:44:21,190 --> 01:44:23,710 feedback on the first one, so. Yeah, we did actually. 2028 01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:26,390 Yeah, a lot of people enjoyed it, so it was pretty. 2029 01:44:26,710 --> 01:44:28,670 Cool. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. 2030 01:44:28,670 --> 01:44:31,050 We're just like, you know? Make fun of the news. 2031 01:44:31,050 --> 01:44:33,250 Basically. You guys are super busy. 2032 01:44:34,650 --> 01:44:36,650 I'm like, man, I'm barely keeping up over here. 2033 01:44:36,650 --> 01:44:37,610 You guys are? Running. 2034 01:44:37,690 --> 01:44:40,170 We try, but yeah, Thank you so much for having me on. 2035 01:44:40,170 --> 01:44:41,530 Of course, yeah. Thank you. 2036 01:44:41,530 --> 01:44:45,010 It's nice to meet you. And Heidi, let everybody know 2037 01:44:45,010 --> 01:44:47,890 where they can find your stuff. And I do have her links in the 2038 01:44:48,410 --> 01:44:50,250 OR I'll add them. I think I added them already. 2039 01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:51,970 Yeah, I had them prior. They're already out there now, 2040 01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:54,570 so all right, I'm at the Unfiltered Rise. 2041 01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:56,690 I'm newer to the world. YouTube. 2042 01:44:56,690 --> 01:45:01,330 Spotify, Instagram and I think that and tick tock. 2043 01:45:01,410 --> 01:45:03,530 That's it for right now, cuz that's all I can juggle. 2044 01:45:03,610 --> 01:45:05,850 I didn't do a Facebook or anything yet. 2045 01:45:06,850 --> 01:45:09,210 It's too much. I gotta keep up on one thing at 2046 01:45:09,210 --> 01:45:10,450 A. I mean an accountant I just 2047 01:45:10,450 --> 01:45:11,690 shared it with. I don't even go on. 2048 01:45:12,810 --> 01:45:14,010 Yeah, it's so hard. I'm like. 2049 01:45:14,290 --> 01:45:16,690 Oh, every once in a while I'll jump on there. 2050 01:45:16,690 --> 01:45:19,210 And I mean, this is even for people that might be listening 2051 01:45:19,210 --> 01:45:20,850 live if they haven't, you know, hung up already. 2052 01:45:21,690 --> 01:45:24,370 On Facebook like a lot of times unfortunately I'll get messages 2053 01:45:24,370 --> 01:45:26,730 and I won't see it for like 3 months later cuz like I I 2054 01:45:27,010 --> 01:45:31,650 literally just use Facebook just to stream out to I don't check 2055 01:45:31,850 --> 01:45:33,010 right? Right. 2056 01:45:33,050 --> 01:45:35,610 So, but that's probably good, I understand. 2057 01:45:36,090 --> 01:45:38,650 It's just, yeah, that is just, it's like, it's really one of 2058 01:45:38,650 --> 01:45:40,570 the more shittier social media, right? 2059 01:45:40,930 --> 01:45:43,250 Yeah, I'm surprised you can even put things out sometimes. 2060 01:45:43,250 --> 01:45:45,130 They're so bad. Oh, I've had them like, remove 2061 01:45:45,130 --> 01:45:47,170 the audio. Oh, we'll keep up the video, but 2062 01:45:47,170 --> 01:45:48,970 we're gonna remove the audio. I'm like, what's what's the 2063 01:45:48,970 --> 01:45:49,290 point? So. 2064 01:45:49,610 --> 01:45:50,370 Weird. No thanks. 2065 01:45:50,570 --> 01:45:53,970 You're just saying like. Yeah, we just take it down. 2066 01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:57,530 Yeah, that's weird. Just destroy it. 2067 01:45:57,570 --> 01:45:59,570 If you're gonna do that, you've already messed it up. 2068 01:45:59,570 --> 01:46:00,130 Come on. That's. 2069 01:46:00,250 --> 01:46:01,890 Funny. Oh boy. 2070 01:46:01,970 --> 01:46:04,610 Well, it was a pleasure and I'm really appreciative. 2071 01:46:04,770 --> 01:46:07,210 Anytime you want to hear more Mormon stuff, let me know. 2072 01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:09,090 No, no, definitely. I'll definitely have you on for 2073 01:46:09,090 --> 01:46:11,210 some Mormon stuff. Maybe even some conspiratorial 2074 01:46:11,210 --> 01:46:13,730 Mormon stuff. And if we ever talk about the 2075 01:46:13,730 --> 01:46:16,130 FLDS, that's a. Whole see. 2076 01:46:16,770 --> 01:46:18,360 Yeah. Yeah, there's this. 2077 01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,440 Is that one at the same time? Yeah, there, there was a 2078 01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:23,960 different, there was a different one that I was like, oh, if I 2079 01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:26,240 get into that, that's a whole topic. 2080 01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,680 So yeah, that I would like to have you maybe come on and talk 2081 01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:29,760 about one day. Yeah. 2082 01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:30,520 Of course. Awesome. 2083 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:31,240 Thank you. All right. 2084 01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,960 Thank you very much. And thank you everybody who 2085 01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,320 jumped in on the live in, in the chat. 2086 01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:39,160 That's what's up. I put it, you know, I was 2087 01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,120 throwing up some of the posts in there. 2088 01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,560 Thank you, everybody who added to, you know, the guest in and 2089 01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:45,840 in the chat. That's what's up. 2090 01:46:46,340 --> 01:46:49,300 That's why I like going live and I'll say it again, if you're 2091 01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:51,900 checking out the live, check the live chat. 2092 01:46:51,900 --> 01:46:54,340 There's always great stuff in there, almost like another whole 2093 01:46:54,580 --> 01:46:56,380 separate show going on sometimes. 2094 01:46:56,820 --> 01:46:58,980 So yeah, it's pretty cool and I appreciate it. 2095 01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:02,780 And that's why I go live. And until the next one, everyone 2096 01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:04,740 be well. All right, later.