Murder. Mayhem.
Mormons. Why not?
You know me and my favorite subject, but let's make it a
little dicier. Literally.
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you down that murderous path. You're not gonna wanna miss it.
We'll see you there. Hello, and welcome to another
episode of The Unfiltered Rise. I'm Heidi Love.
And today I have with me Karen Wilkinson, author of Stolen
Seed, Evil Harvest. Karen, how are you today?
Heidi, I'm great. I'm so happy to be here with you
today. We've had such a great time
talking that it was hard to press record and get started
with. This, yes, it was.
We are like jiving already and we we definitely have.
I think people might be surprised and by the end of
this, I think we might be surprised by that I.
Think you're right? Yeah, I think we're already
surprised how much we have in common.
Yes, exactly. So I'm very happy and excited to
be here. We've had our share of technical
problems trying to get this off the ground.
It seems like everything that could be thrown in our way has
been, and between technical difficulties, personal
difficulties, you name it. So I think the powers that be,
we're definitely trying to stop us from having this
conversation, So I'm excited to see where.
It goes me too, because I I've heard your back story.
I've kind of listened a little bit.
But for our listeners that haven't, I would love for you to
just open up with whatever you're comfortable sharing as
far as like how this became like how you even had this happen so.
Cool. OK, yeah, I'll just start.
So my name is Karen Wilkinson and the book is Stolen Seed Evil
Harvest. And the book is my lifelong
account of UFO and non human alien abduction experiences that
I have had, what happened to me, how I was able to stop these
from happening, and the interesting and intricate
connection that all of this has back into what we call what are
our Bible, which my friend Ellie Marzulli calls the guidebook to
the supernatural. And I love that because that's
exactly what it is. There's so much more to it than
anyone realizes. So this was a project that I,
God, just put on my heart. And you know, when God gives you
marching orders, you March. You don't have a choice.
You know you March. Or you limp after.
Right. Or you limp or you run or walk
or whatever, but you do what you can.
Yes, you absolutely get it done. I did not think I would ever
share this story quite honestly, but a couple of years ago, about
seven years ago I had, I call it a near life experience.
Some people might call it a near death experience and it was very
traumatic the way that it happened.
But after that I did some PTSD therapy to deal with that and
that therapy allowed me to manage all of the memories, the
lifelong memories I had of all of these things that had
happened to me with these non human entities.
So in doing so, God really put it in my heart that I I needed
to share this. And, you know, I'm praying.
I'm like, well, God, who am I going to share this with?
And he says, you're going to share this with LA Marzulli.
I'm like, right. That's going to happen.
Yeah. Right.
OK, Lord, show me how that's going to happen.
God just put it in place. I didn't know LA Marzulli was
even looking for, you know, something like what I had to
share. And sure enough, he was.
And I, God, put us together. I shared with him a story, my
account, that I had only ever shared with my husband, and it
became the tent pole or the centerpiece for the 4th movie
and his UFOUFO series on abduction, The abduction
phenomenon and a part of the 6th movie on cattle mutilations.
Believe it or not, it actually works into that as well after
that. I'm in good OL Utah.
I totally. Know about the.
Utilization. Right.
So he he after that, I was at a function with him here in Texas
and I had a lot of people coming up to me wanting to talk about
their experiences and talk about the book and we're grateful or
not the book about the movie. And we're so kind to me and
grateful that I had shared my testimony and I was terrified
about sharing that testimony of what had happened to me.
I you know, because this is a subject that's very taboo.
No one talks about it. You're considered crazy and
delusional if you talk about having it being abducted by a
UFO, an alien, a non human entity.
And I realized that God was using it already for good.
And that's when God put it on my heart to write this, to share
this. And ideally, you know,
ultimately I just want to make it OK to start to have these
conversations for people who have had things like this happen
to them, to be able to come forward and say, you know, this
happened to me, I need to talk to someone about it and to know
they're not alone. That's the really hard part
about this is feeling alone in it.
Feeling like everyone's going to think you're crazy if you talk
about it and just sharing how to stop it and sharing who and what
these entities are. Because you know, for for your
listeners, this will. You know because you come at
your podcast with a Christian perspective.
This is something that people don't realize ties directly into
our Christian Bibles and is something that could possibly be
part of when you see it in the Word, God's word, part of the
great deception that you know, the strong delusion that God
that is going to be sent to people, you know these things
are, these entities are very deceptive.
And so that is kind of how the book came to be.
And where we are now is the book is available exclusively at
lamarzulli.net and if people want to reach me, they can reach
out to me to my website. I get emails every day and I do
get back to everyone at some point.
Sometimes it takes a while, but I do my best to get back to
people. And as you and I know, sometimes
e-mail, no matter how many you send, doesn't work.
Doesn't work and they disappear and.
Yes. Where do all of our emails go?
They just into the ether. They never show up into.
The ether is probably true. Exactly.
So it it's been a wild ride doing this.
Definitely a lot of, you know there's push back especially
when you're trying to do good thing and the right thing and
everything like that. But there's been just so much
love and acceptance as well. It's a difficult place to be
because I'm somewhere you know I'm too Christian for some, for
some groups and but it's too woo for some Christian groups.
So it puts me in this strange position, but I'm like, yeah,
but this is one of the most profound topics and people don't
realize it's, it's worth when we're talking, whether we're
talking about aliens or UFOs or demons or or deceptions or you
know, everything, we're talking about the same thing and and
it's all, it all ties back into the biblical narrative and it's
very important for people to understand that.
And unfortunately most churches don't want to teach these parts
of the Bible. They only want to teach the fun,
easy or the mainstream things you know when and and that's
great if people are getting the word.
But there's it's important that we don't miss all of it because
it's all there for a reason and it's all there to help us and to
keep us from being deceived. And the deception is so great
right now out there in so many different areas of our world.
So sorry for getting on my soapbox about that, but that
that is a long answer. Sorry to your question.
No, actually I I have no time limits.
I never schedule one on top of another because you never know
where conversations are going to go.
And I just let them be organic because like, why not, you know,
and I love long answers or we wouldn't be, I wouldn't be a
podcaster, right. I'm chatty and I totally,
completely get what? Like when I saw just the name of
your book alone, I was like, Oh my gosh, I have to talk to her
because stolen seed. I was like, OK, I have, I have
some conjectures that are just conjectures.
I have some ideas that are just my ideas, but where they came
from is kind of a weird thing. And we were talking about that,
like when you're almost granted permission to know certain
things, but you're like why? I'm just some lady that has a
bunch of kids in the middle of Utah that left a crazy church.
And I speak out because they pissed me off.
They lied to me and told me that Masonic works and and weirdo
stuff is going to bring down God and I'm going to be safe
forever. So that really pissed me off.
And after I got out and I spent 34 years of my life at this, I
lost most of my family. Yeah, it it it's not something
you can just leave. Like I've lost almost everyone.
But my mom. She'd already been out.
And you know luckily through the blood of Jesus, everyone beneath
me, everyone beneath my mom, we are all out and saved by the
blood of Jesus. Jesus, that's amazing.
And it it came out of cost, including my poor mom because
she got out years before she became a born again Christian.
And my grandma ridiculed her to excess like never to her face.
But we all heard it and that's how many LDS people are now.
I I love LDS people in general. But I will tell you at the top
of that and that the top of Catholics and at the top of
anything that's organized and ran by governments or ran by,
you know, higher than governments, in my opinion, ran
by the 13 elite blood families that run this world, anyone
under that covenant. And they do call many things in
the LDS Church a covenant. And I find it interesting.
Right, Because they are owned at the top.
Now, does that mean my neighbor, who's a really nice Mormon lady,
knows this? No, I don't know why I had to
know this. Like, I didn't ask.
OK. Like I didn't want to talk about
any of the stuff I do, just like you.
So I so connected on such a level with you because I'm like,
OK, I'm going to tell her some crazy things that I just, I just
think, right. But actually I didn't think
them. I didn't ask to think them.
It like kind of was like a revelation.
Yeah. Like, I didn't see anything come
down. It just kind of was like, here
you go, you want to know. Here you go.
And I'm like, I I don't know that.
I wanted to know that. Now it's interesting that you
talk about covenant bonds because this is, that's our huge
topic and a huge subject for me with my friend Vicki.
Joy Anderson has a book called They Only Come Out at Night and
I'm going to introduce you to her because I think you and her
absolutely should talk. She is amazing and her book
covers these covenants and these like threshold covenants,
assault covenants and these different kinds of covenants
people make and that are made for us or on our behest or that
we make without even knowing it sometimes.
And the importance of breaking those types of covenant bonds.
I mean as a as someone who was taken against my will from a
very young age, I know that what happened to me was that someone
else made that agreement, someone else agreed that I could
be taken. And sometimes we, you know, just
by entertaining someone in our home, we don't realize, but
we're making a covenant bond. And then by by breaking bread,
by salt covenants, things like that.
And I won't go too far into it because I am not an expert on
it. And B, she is.
And for her and I to speak together is amazing because she
just really knows her stuff. So yeah, we'll have to to get I.
Would love that because anything.
Yeah. Any of my guests that I have are
like God LED I even somebody that that people get mad at me.
They're like you had on this person and they they like to do
like divination stuff or they like to do.
I don't do that. But that's not that doesn't
matter if God puts it on my heart.
I'm going to go. And tomorrow I actually have an
interview with Zachary King. He's an ex Satanist.
And he became. A Catholic.
And when it first happened, I listened and I thought, I no,
Like, I I was like literally, like, no, that's spooky.
Like, I know he's out now and everything, but like, that's
really scary. And now those.
Are the people like? Yeah.
Exactly. Because you he's learned how to
break those covenants. He's learned how to get away
from those things. It's so important and as as
Christians as we can't sit around and start judging each
other based on what religious group we or church we are a
member of. Most of these churches were
formed because of their baptismal procedures and that's
where the separations came in. And you know these silly things
that, you know, if we sit around and start judging each other and
getting nitpicking with each other and arguing, is the world
round? Is the world flat?
Or did the Nephilim come back because the sons of Seth, or did
they come back because the fallen angelic beings, you know
how to ever came back? If we start having all of these
sense, these arguments with one another, we're going to lose
sight. Love Jesus.
And could not. Excited Jesus.
We lose sight of salvation and sharing that gospel.
And the most important thing is sharing the gospel.
You know, if someone wants to have a heated conversation,
that's great. You know, iron sharpens iron and
we're going to learn from each other and grow from one another.
And I am fully open to the fact that I could be wrong about
anything and everything you know, except for the things that
I've personally experienced and that you know.
As I study, I learn more and more and more and and so I think
we have to be open with each other, listen to one another,
entertain each other's differences of thoughts and
opinions, but not judge one another for for our backgrounds
and especially not for our histories and our pasts.
Because that's exactly what it is, a history.
In a past, Jesus came to forgive our sins, not to just
continually push them in our face.
Yeah. Look at the people he ran with,
right? Like, look at his.
Look at his chosen brood. We'll call him a brood because
people. But here's the thing.
People like you, people like me, like you've had different things
happening to you. Where you did leave for a while.
I definitely left for. I didn't never stop believing in
God, but I was. I was angry.
I was deceived, you know, But I wasn't like anti or atheist.
But like we go through these journeys and I'm like, but why?
Why? Why would this happen or why
have I suffered so much or why is all this?
And you can do that or and you can judge others like, Oh well,
I rose above and look at you, you're staying beneath.
No, listen, we need to take the log out of our own eye.
We need to look at the word which is love thy neighbor.
It didn't say love thy neighbor only if love thy neighbor only
if it. But the last thing he said,
after he said it was all hung on the cross was what it is done So
and he wanted us to do one other thing which was love each other
and people cannot do that, it is.
Love all, love one another. Yeah.
They're so difficult with this. And I'm like, you know what the
other part is? It says in the Bible, and this
is so important for the end days, we are not to be easily
offended. And if you are, you will
probably never learn anything because if you're so busy trying
to say I'm right, they're wrong, whatever, Just learn from them.
Like you can pull from any other person, just even if they're LED
astray. I always go back to King David.
He was a a literal disaster. Yes.
And and I'm like and I always tell my husband when he's like,
yeah, but that person blah, blah.
And this person, I say, I always say, listen, King David, what
was his nickname? And most people don't know to
God it was his beloved. It was his beloved.
That is so drastic. You know, that is like, wow, I
mean and if he loves sinners and murderers and he loved Paul and
Paul was crazy before and like killing everybody like all this
stuff. And I'm like, and he went
forward and without him the gospel wouldn't be what it is,
you know so. Exactly.
And the And here we are. The Bible is just so full of
amazing and interesting information, and I try really in
the book to tie together and to show people how all of this fits
and where it comes from. You know, it's we're in a time
frame where the word Nephilim is starting to become somewhat
mainstream. People know what it means.
If I'd have stood up in a crowd five years ago and said that,
people would have looked at me like, did you sneeze?
I'm like, uh, oh, she needs her medication.
Bring them back. Exactly.
And now if I said it, you know, a couple people would stand up
and be like, oh, what about him? I'm really interested, you know.
Yeah, ask me about that. Yeah, you never would have
guessed right. So we're definitely coming into
a different era where people are getting more interested in in
the more interesting parts of the Bible And the fact that
there's a lot more to the Bible than just the Sunday School
verses that were taught over and over again into adulthood and
that nauseam. When there's so much more we
need to know and we need to learn to be able to grow and and
to be able to deal with situations like mine.
Because if I hadn't, you know, I was born again at when I was
about 1818 or 19, and I fell away from that.
I never stopped believing in God, knowing that he was there,
believing in Jesus. But what I did was I stopped
believing in myself and living a lifestyle and stopped believing
that I needed to think about it or worry about it or be
forgiven. And then I went kind of down a
new age path as well and really got embroiled into that until I
realized he woke up one day and I said, where's Jesus in all
this? Because I still knew Jesus
belonged at the center of everything and it was like he's
missing. And then I listened to a woman.
Her name is Doreen Virtue and she has a book called Deceived
No More. And that is an amazing book.
I highly recommend that for anyone.
I highly recommend you get her on your show.
I don't know her personally. She was very popular in the New
Age movement and she has is come full circle and back to Jesus
and it's just she's amazing so. Without Jesus, it's all not
right. We all we're.
Not creators. We're not creators, we're not Co
creators. What we create, we create
because we are blessed from God to be able to do that.
All glory to God, always, always.
You know, and I could not take one step, speak one word, write
one word. Without God, there would be
nothing. Whatever I wrote would be
useless. And that I wouldn't be able to
anyway, because he is my creator.
He's the reason I can do anything.
So I know I'm going off on a tangent that's so far we're.
We're we're happy with tangents. We're going to get into it.
The Nephilim is actually huge for me because and I'll give you
my little spiel here. It's very condensed, but this is
like I guess my thoughts, my revelation, I suppose I I'm not
really sure what to say there. But as I studied more, because
I'm a nurse, and as I studied more about genetics and DNA and
the ancestry test became so very popular.
And all of these things were happening at like right before
this ramp up for the Nephilim. And then I started learning
history, not on purpose really. I was studying about Joseph
Smith and what he really learned and what really happened.
And then I went down in a cult path to John D because I found
these really old sigils and sigil magic that he had and he
wore a Jupiter Talisman until the day he died.
He was very involved in the occult.
He had actual sigils that called down specific angels and I have
photos of them and I found these on accident.
Like, I I didn't want to know this.
Like all I was trying to do was figure out what the hell I did
in the temple. Excuse my French, but that's the
truth. Like, I wanted to know because
what you said, I was trying to break the line because every
person in my family for Eon's back had made blood oaths, blood
oaths. And you don't literally spill
your blood, but it's symbolic because his wife wasn't going to
do that. Like they used to cut the knee
and they used to do these cuts in the garments and and then you
sewed them up and then sometimes you'd get a Nick cure Nick
there, whatever. But they're very similar to the
OTO. So anyways, it led me back to
John D and I found it by a a little thing, a diagram they
drew and I reverse looked it up and it was this it calling out
for this specific angels. And I'm like, what was he doing?
This is so weird. And then it led me to, I mean,
who was the original calling out of angels?
It was John D So he was the one summoning and he did it by
scrying. Well, Joseph Smith scry the
whole Book of Mormon. He said that he would put a seer
stone into a hat, cover his head, and he would talk out
these symbols. Well, I looked at the symbols
and I compared them to the Enochian alphabet and they are
almost identical. And when I found all this out,
people were really bashing me, like, why are you going down in
a cult? What are you doing?
Study like my mom. This is my mom.
I'm not talking about people. Like, I didn't know anybody, OK?
This is my mom. Like you're you're you're
studying Alistair Crowley and these crazy people and John D
what are you doing? And I'm like, Mom, it's going to
take me somewhere. I I know I'm supposed to learn
about this and I didn't know about Gary Wayne.
I didn't know about Ryan Pedersen.
Well, I did learn about them. Gary will be on in February.
I've already interviewed Ryan and.
So I'm like, oh, he is. So nice I he is like the best.
And I just thought, OK, this is tying these things together well
at the same time, that's. Ryan's book right there.
Oh yes, I love Ryan. Yes, and he's a wonderful
interview, but also a wonderful person.
Like so. Smart, but not to interrupt you.
I'm so sorry, Keep. Going No, no, you can interrupt.
I love what you're talking with. Yeah.
So I learned at the same time about the old world.
And the old world really fascinated me because I was
getting in these little pictures of the train and this girl
that's covered up and these orphan trains and these cabbage,
they call them cabbage babies, you know, these weird phenomena,
postcards that came out around the same time.
And these rich women always portrayed in red dresses, which
was like I literally said to Matt because I interviewed Matt
from The Great Deception. He's very into this.
And I said, Matt, did you notice almost every postcard, the
woman's in a red dress like the scarlet whore of Babylon.
And he didn't. And I said, I think that they
introduced some things into our genetic pool.
And I think that This is why there's certain things that pop
up in some and not others. And I don't think it's like a
hybrid like specifically like what happened to you and and the
things you saw because it it would be not correct in the way
it looks right like you but this junk DNA that they always come
up with in the gene of ISIS or Genesis like gene of ISIS
genesis. And so I started learning more.
All this? And then who is the main
perpetrators that pour into ancestryitisfamilysearch.org,
which was actually started by the Mormon Church?
Because they're obsessed with genealogy.
Why? Because they do work for the
dead. Why?
Because I believe their God is Abraxas, and I believe that they
serve Abraxas. And I believe there's actual
quotes from his mother, Joseph Smith's mother, talking about
how they serve the House of a Brac.
And had I known any of this, I'd have ran with my tail between my
legs before I went and did those ceremonies.
But they're blood oaths and we don't do this stuff anymore
where they re enact it. But I but they still make you
take these oaths. And I I knew for a fact that I
had to get my bloodline cut off from this.
Right. Because generational curses.
And we've had tons, some of that pop up in our families.
And I one of them was that not only my mom, my grandma, my
great grandma, they've all lost their sons.
And I was like, no, I'm not. I'm not.
I'm not having that. I only have one son and I'm not.
I'm not doing that. And so I had to figure out a way
and I did. Through the through the blood of
Jesus. Just going to Jesus.
Yes. It took me a year to get out
from under the oppression that I felt and I had to go through my
house so much because you know they have all these statues of
that. I call him white and delight
some Jesus. But honestly, it doesn't look
like Jesus, but it it you know and other people have done
conjecture on this, yes. In Satan's in Satan's Kingdom,
everything is a counterfeit. So it might look like Jesus, but
just a little off or a little different.
Blonde and blue eyes. Yeah, exactly.
Norwegian Jesus, right? I don't.
I don't think he saw God or Jesus as he claims he did.
I think he saw fallen angels, just like John.
DI think he asked for it. He was summoning these things.
And when you do that kind of stuff, they'll come like, come
on, no, they'll. Come on.
Yeah, they they're just waiting to be invited because everything
in this universe that God has created is transactional.
And so in order to come in, they have to be invited.
There has to be an invitation, There has to be, you know,
permissions. There has to be someone.
Just like in the Book of Job, Satan had to be given
permissions to torture and torment Job, You know, he wasn't
allowed to just do it. And when people say, well, why,
you know, why is there pain and suffering in this world?
Like, people ask me that all the time when interviews.
I'm like because we live in a fallen world and we have free
will and we've live in a sinful world that started in the Garden
of Eden, you know, and. Well, and who's the owner of
this world? Yeah, it's, you know, the owner
is God, but but the dominion right now is Satan, right?
Because we. Also have dominion over the
earth and over the plane of the earth.
Satan's the Prince of the power of the air and and they are more
powerful than we are. They've been around a lot longer
than we are. But they cannot touch us if we
don't give them permission. And they cannot touch us if we
call on the name of Jesus and and tell them to flee.
Because that's how it works, because there is a hierarchy and
there is one at the very top of that chain.
And this is what I tell people in this community, the UFO
community, people who have been abducted, who have been taken,
who are still being taken, who are being tormented or tortured.
You can call on their creator, because their creator is your
creator. And Jesus will listen when you
call him. And if you call on him and ask
him to save you from these entities, he will.
You know. And some people say it works for
me and I'm not even a Christian. God knows your heart.
You know. You don't have to vocally do it.
You don't have to. You can say it in your head.
You can say it in your heart. You can say it with your mouth.
However you do it, however you call on him, he's going to, you
know, be there. That's just how it works.
It is a transactional universe that he put these rules in place
for a reason. So that because he knew we would
be in a fallen world, that we would have protections against
these entities that are so much stronger than us that don't live
where we live. They don't live in this earthly
space that we live in. They're not.
They're. They can manipulate space-time,
energy and matter in ways we can only imagine, you know, And then
you get these humans calling on them, just like in the biblical
times saying, you know, I'll I'll trade you, you know, these
people for these powers or these people for this technology, you
know, and and you get to things like the Granada Treaty and
things the same thing now. And we're going to trade
technology and power for you can experiment on humans and
animals. Yes, it just well, and there's
like so many weird things. Yeah, when you go into, like, if
you dive deep into the occult, there's like Humunculus and all
these weird things. So when you spoke of the
artificial wombs, OK, it immediately took me to the book
of the cow, which nobody studies this weird, dumb stuff except
one-on-one shout out, one-on-one podcast.
But like he he does, he dives to that one, he's amazing.
And so he talks about this. He's kind of the Humunculus guy.
And so I'm like, OK, well, you know, you you dive into that and
then you start start just breaking down in your mind like,
oh, how come celebrities don't have their own babies?
And where do their babies come from?
And like, oh, they all have surrogates.
But like, how come they're also perfectly tall and beautiful and
perfect and, like, and then they say, well, you know, we didn't
find out about artificial insemination and all this stuff
till way later. But then you've got this orphan
train. And people always say, well,
their parents died, you silly lady.
I'm like OK, do you know how many?
And they just look at you and I'm like a quarter million.
You tell me where a quarter million kids came from and why
do we have so many psychopaths, sociopaths, people that are like
people will be easy to call them, you know, non playing
characters and PC type stuff. But like they'll accept that,
but they won't accept like maybe they're not quite right.
You know, maybe these were something else introduced.
Not not per SE. Like what happened to you with
the children. And we'll get there.
But why isn't it? It could be exactly the same
thing, because if someone's trying to genetically engineer a
being, and this is an abomination in God's eyes, God
is a creator when we try to be the creator.
And I'm not talking about normal procreation with a man and a
woman as it is intended to be. And I'm not even talking about
artificial insemination. If you have to go through IVF or
something like that, that's. Fine too.
What? I'm talking.
About is manipulating genetics to try to create these
superhumans or ubermensch or what have you.
The minute it's no longer just the, as God intended, the male
and female egg and sperm coming together.
You know at what point does it become non human you know at
what point when you're introducing other things that
are not human DNA into it. I think I heard somewhere it was
you know one millionth of 1% I don't know some tiny percentage
and I can't. I'm looking all over for that
statistic and that is eluding me.
So God, clearly it's not meant to be in my hands right now
that's fine. But you know anything that is a
non a nepheline is a very generic term.
It's a term for the progeny of fallen angelic beings and
humans. But then you also have chimeras
which are a mix of two entities, not necessarily human.
It could be two animals, it could be human animal, it could
be, you know, whatever. So you could be looking at
modern day nepheline, you could be looking at chimeras in those
trains. Never know.
And without the DNA evidence, we don't know.
But you know, there are people, you see, that don't seem to have
a soul, that don't seem to have a spirit.
And you have to wonder, is this a biologically engineered human,
or is this a natural human? That's one of God's creations,
you know? And and we're not here to decide
whether someone can have salvation or not.
That's not our place. That's God's decision, you know.
But, but I do know that that's in our Bible, in our guidebook
to life, our guidebook to the supernatural and all things it
says, that's an abomination. So, you know, we have to be
aware that these things not only have existed for thousands of
years but still exist. You know, I've been in the
presence of these entities that were offspring that came from
me, and they were just pure evil.
There was no love, no kindness, no nothing, you know?
And I wanted there to be love. I wanted to love them.
I wanted to save them, I wanted to fix them.
I wanted to be a good thing, but there was nothing there.
I I remember that part of your story.
It was really heart wrenching, kind of when you said they were
trying to take you. I almost like they knew that
that was like their last card to play to get you to come back.
You know, like, OK, send send the kids then because she's
worried about this and she wants this and I know that you had
already. I think at that point you'd
already had the experience with the baby one, right?
Where before that? Yeah, that was long before.
Yeah, long before. So you knew?
I knew, but I didn't know for sure.
I still wasn't. I still wasn't convinced it was
just the mother's heart. And I know you have a mother's
heart, so you understand that you're never convinced that
anything is beyond help. And I'm still not convinced.
But I know that it's not my place.
I don't. I'm not making that judgement
call. All I can say is that there was
nothing there for me to do and nothing for me to save or to
help and there. Was more of like a trick I feel
like. Oh yeah, it definitely was.
It was trying to get me to make one last agreement.
And I don't know if because there was some of my DNA in
there that that's how they were allowed to cross the threshold.
There was. I left that open.
I left that covenant open because I wasn't ready to let go
of them. So I am the reason they were
able to cross the threshold into my room.
But at that point, then I closed that, I closed that door, I I
broke that covenant. I broke those ties and those
binds. Like you said, you've got to cut
those things and do it for the safety of yourself and your
family because we are dealing with entities that are so much
more powerful than we are. People are out there doing, you
know, the CE5 contact stuff where they're calling on UFOs
and aliens to calm down. And I'm just like.
What are you doing? Yeah, well.
Conjuring things. You're conjuring things.
You're calling forth evil you you know you don't know what
you're going to get. You know and and and then evil
beings not going to say, hey, I'm a good guy or I'm an evil
guy, we're going to you know they're going to be deceptive.
So it's such a dangerous place to play for anyone.
Yeah, I highly believe. I think that possibly even
people, I mean think about how many times you go in for a
surgery and you're asleep and you don't know if you were
having. And I'm not saying every
doctor's nefarious or anything like that.
I'm just saying sometimes if they were after a specific
situation and even if the it's not the operating room, you know
what? Like if if you're in there and
you're having cysts taken out of your ovaries or you're having
your ovaries removed because you had a hysterectomy or you've had
some female problem and they need to test your eggs or
whatever that is, where does that go to after the surgical
team? Right.
Like, even if they're completely on the up and up, you're sending
these samples somewhere, you know?
And to where? Well, we OK to the lab Place,
lab.com, like, whatever, but you don't know what they're really
doing. And they could have samples from
each and every one of us, you know?
I mean, and as a society, we're extremely naive.
We're either way too paranoid or we're way too naive.
There just isn't a really good because it is snuck up on us to
the point that no one realized it was happening.
And then by the time you realize things like that egg harvesting
and and DNA harvesting and everyone who's done these DNA
things, now their DNA is part of a giant databank.
And it's not just theirs because theirs is there.
It provides DNA for their family as well, because of what's in
your DNA. And you know now, now that
information is no longer yours. Now that information belongs to
someone else. And you, you have no control.
Well, and I think we can't even protect ourselves from that
because think of any time you've had a blood test, think of even
if you didn't do these weird little tests, like anytime, I
think they're looking for something.
And people always think that our DNA, if they want it, I mean,
there's no way not to. And you're born.
If you're born in a hospital, someone has your DNA.
Yeah, because those PK tests, as soon as you're born, the PKU
test is done on your on your heel.
And they say, they say that this blood sample, and it's done
completely different than any other sample I've ever taken in
my life. It's on a paper, it's like a
litmus paper. And those can last for years and
I'm talking many years. They dry them out and they can
flake off. They can get little pieces.
They can do all kinds of things with this testing for a long
period of time and they file them.
That's why they have them. So they can go back and file
them if there's ever, Oh yeah, we did test that or oh, clear
back and whenever that was. You know, these people, the only
people that don't have them done basically is kids born at home.
Or even then I had a daughter born at home.
They still did it on her first visit.
So I mean they've categorized us and I do highly believe that
between a certain type of people they're looking for something in
that junk DNA and they are. And I I think you nailed it when
you said, well, I don't know if it was because I'm an O negative
or what what's going on with that?
And then there again you get to that RH factor that didn't even
exist until 1938 and so. Yeah.
And they wanted my bloodline. They wanted the bloodline in my
family. I do have one of those
interesting bloodlines. I won't disclose that all here.
But, you know, I can talk about that offline.
But, you know, but they know what my bloodline is and who it
goes back to. And that was important.
They always told me you're very important.
You're very important, your bloodline.
And they also let me know that in a way.
I was safe because I was important.
And so I knew that even though they were torturing me, even
though they were taking me, even though I didn't want this to
happen, and even though I was threatened, they would threaten
other members of my family to keep me quiet, not threaten me.
And they could threaten me with things that I didn't want to
happen, but the real physical bodily harm was to others.
And I know that's common with little kids anyway, to threaten,
you know, others. But when you want to keep that
child alive, when you want to keep that child, because they're
valuable, just like in any kind of a trafficking situation, you
threaten the ones that they love.
And that's what they did to me. And.
Well, and that's how they control people for so long.
Because as a kid, you don't know any different.
You don't know. You really don't know what they
could do because look at what they'd already done to you.
I didn't know who and what they were.
There were humans and then there were all these different kinds
of non human entities. I didn't know that what to call
them. I didn't know what an Ambien was
or a Gray was or a Reptilian or a Nordic or any of those things.
I didn't have any vocabulary for it.
I would describe them the way they looked.
You know the little ones that came to get me.
I I just remember always saying that and nobody knew what I was
talking about. And then, you know, whatever I
would say would be, oh, she's, you know, you had a bad dream or
she's talking about kids at school or there was always an
excuse, you know, someone. And I get that because when a
kid tells you something, you try to figure out what they're
talking about when you can't. Understand.
And you were as young as six, right?
You were younger. Than that.
Oh no, it's probably from I'm sure from infant on because my
earliest memories are being terrified of that my father's
side of the family and that was like two or three years old when
I remember being at that a specific family event and just
being terrified. And it's one of those flash
memories that's very very clear. So you know I just remember them
always being there. I don't.
And that goes back to. That, yeah.
That that family genetic part that you're like, oh, they
looked like this. Well, that goes back to the
whole Nephilim description. Like, like these people that
they do this on, a lot of times they'll have certain
characteristics. Not race, not race talking
either, certain bloodline families, certain way.
Your eyes are spaced. Different things like eye
spacing, exactly. They like a color, that kind of
thing. They're always looking for very
specific things because they've learned that certain genetic
traits are easier for them to work with.
They know they know what they're looking for.
They don't share that information with us.
But they make it very clear that they know exactly what they
want, exactly what they're looking for and what they're
trying what they need to do. We're not Privy to that
information. No one gets to sit down.
You know, when I was taken, they didn't sit down with me and say,
now, here's what we're going to do today and why.
You know, it was shut up, sit down and you're going to do what
we tell you to do. And you know, that's that's what
it was because it was an abusive situation, you know, and it was
against so. And for anyone in that
situation, you know, any kind of a grooming situation, I mean
it's no different than child trafficking.
It's no different than child grooming in any other form.
It's just different entities and our government knows about it.
There's no doubt in my mind. I am.
I I think the government is infiltrated with many of these
entities that are probably hybrid.
You look at some of these things and.
Even. At the Yeah, even at the top
line of like, Mormonism. I see it.
I. I they're too big or too widely
spaced. Or I'll look at a face and I'll
just know and I'll get, I'll just get terrified.
I'll hyperventilate. I'll have to turn away, walk
away, whatever. Yeah, I can't.
You can't. And you're not the only one, and
I'm not the only one. There are a lot of us who've
been. If you've been in around them
enough, you know, you know they're here.
And it's so, it's so strange because I think partially they
did infiltrate into the gene pool, which is why we get some
of these people that are, you know, red headed, super fair,
whatever the trait may be like it could be a lot of things, you
know? Did they infiltrate or did we
infiltrate their gene pool? Is it far red hair that got into
their gene pool? Because what they did was they
went into the 12 tribes of Israel because they didn't know
where Jesus was going to be come from, right?
So they had to go into each of the tribes.
So you have so many different kinds of nepheline.
Everything's nepheline. They think giant or red haired,
which, yes, some more, but not all of them.
They were all different. There were tiny ones.
There were big ones. There were little ones.
There were skinny ones. There was the zanzamines, the
buzzing ones, the long necked ones that you know so many
different kinds. And and when you start doing
research like you have into the ancient books and the ancient
scripts, what they try to keep away from us and out of our
Bibles and try to keep us from learning, then you realize
there's so much more to it. And so you know, the red hair
didn't doesn't And people like, oh, I have red hair.
Does that mean I'm descendant of a Nephilim?
No, it just means you're descendant of a tribe that had
red hair and some Nephilim probably red in with that tribe.
And that's how they got the red hair for, you know, I have O
negative blood. Well, I don't know where that
came from. All it is, O negative means that
your blood does not have the coat.
Well, you know this because you're a nurse.
You know, this is better than most people.
It just means you don't have that protein covering on the
cell. And so it's almost as if someone
was experimenting with our blood and figured out how to remove
that so it'd be easier to work with.
Now, who might do that? An advanced species.
This is my theory. My theory is they were.
The reason it was all found in one specific region is they were
experimenting with a group of people.
It worked. They expanded that
experimentation out. I happen to have a lineage
that's close to the way that group of people is, even though
I don't look like them. That doesn't matter.
That gets spread out. But that, and once they got that
coating off, they were able to crack back into our bloodlines
again. Because I think when, and I
write about this in the book too.
There's a lot of this in the book.
I'm touching on a lot of things, but I'm not going into them in
detail. But in the book I talk about my
thoughts about Noah and what happened in the days of Noah.
Because the Bible says the end times, it will be like the days
of Noah. When you think about what
happened in the days of Noah, we don't know what it was like
before the flood. We have the amazing Pentateuch,
the five books of the Bible that Moses gave us, right?
That God gave Moses to tell what happened.
But this was God's really abridged version of the history
of the world up to that point. And it's all we needed for
salvation. But we don't have the details.
I think the civilization before Noah was more advanced than ours
today. I think that they were far
advanced. I don't think they had rain.
I think rain was something that happened in the days of Noah.
Nobody even knew what rain was. Every indication in that Bible
is that there wasn't rain before then.
And I think that the genetics were different.
And when God closed him in the ark, I think he closed their
blood as well because the life is in the blood.
I think he put that protective coating on the blood, closed him
in the ark, closed the blood and changed it so that they couldn't
procreate anymore. And they were able to find some
offshoots here and there where they were able to manage to do
some. I think that everyone is right
when it comes to Noah, because I do think that some of the people
on the Ark, their blood wasn't changed, but I think Noah's
family was. I think that there's a whole lot
of there going on, but that's where I think that change came.
I don't know. I could be totally wrong.
It's just my theory. There are a lot of theories.
Anything to say about that's going to be conjecture at this
point, but something changed at that point.
Something very, very much changed.
And then you look at extra canonical books like the Book of
Jasher, where one of Noah's grandsons went and found the
ancient carvings on the pillar. And didn't.
Tell his grandfather, 'cause he know it was sinning, but he
found the the work that the angels have done, that
information and the ancient technology and, you know, tried
to bring that back. Yeah, well, and you see, you see
in Egypt you can find old carvings on walls and things
with like electricity. They they've had all this stuff
before. I mean, this is not yeah, but
they have lots of pictures of things.
And the reason we hide, the reason we don't understand it,
is because it's technology that doesn't match ours.
I mean, our computers look like our computers look theirs could
have looked completely different, you know?
Their screens could have just floated around on a string with
them like a balloon. Who knows?
I'm just doing, you know, conjectural.
There but. We don't know.
I mean, you know, there there are just so many possibilities
and we try to make everything fit in this little box so that
we are the superior apex creatures and anything before us
was just a caveman. And that's ridiculous thinking,
because that's not what we're told.
Not in, not in the Bible. Not in the ancient texts and
information that we have from not just our Christian
literature, but literature all over the world, in our religious
beliefs all over the world. So there's just so much to it.
And. Well, and I don't think I I
think that God knew the creations would be destroyed.
But we know one thing. The whole reason why God was so
upset that the angels wanted to come mate with human women was
because they were everlasting beings.
Now you cannot destroy an everlasting being.
But he did destroy what they were monkeying with, right?
They they're creating all kinds of things.
Why do we have these, you know, old pictures of of men, half
horse, Half Men, half the Sphinx, whatever, like all
these, you know, different things that are weird.
Yeah. And all these mishmashed.
Chimeras and things like that. And we knew that was wrong.
But yeah. And we also know that man, we
were immortal as well. Until the sin in the garden, you
know and that was out of jealousy from Satan, from the
Nakash, you know and and there and it just and it all had to
happen because it sets up this this beautiful story.
Everything happened for Jesus. All of it happens for Jesus and
it's all worth it because it all happened for Jesus and it and it
gives. You've got the ability to
separate the wheat from the chaff and it and you know, you
know you immediately you can find the good big buds that are
these are good Christians. We're going to put them here,
but the last will be first and the first will be last, you
know, and I am very excited about what comes out last
because that's going to be first and they're going to be amazing,
you know. And I'm happy to take the last
seat, if that's what it is, because I want every possible, I
want to be here to make sure I share the gospel with every
possible person I can before our time comes and before we're
taken up or before God calls me back home, you know, And I've
had enough times where I've been.
I thought that day was coming. You know, I've planned my own
memorial more than once. And God's like, Nope, we're
going to heal you now. And you're going to keep going.
I'm like, OK, you know, but I'm prepared you.
Know I'll do it. Yeah.
Yeah that's me too. I'll do it.
I still am confused why like I'm doing it.
But like it's fine you know and as we go forward like we like
you've said. I think that search for the
knowledge as long as it's in engulfed in Christ.
That's the point like, and I always told my mom that when I
would search these scary things, like she would say why but what
about this And I'm like, okay? Well, Jesus has me like it's.
I'm not doing this just Willy nilly.
You don't just go run into it do I think everyone needs to read
the book of the law and talk about and.
I do not recommend it for most. People.
I don't think so. Unless God calls you to read it
because you're helping others by doing it because you need to,
because it's coming against you and you have to defend yourself.
And you know, I don't question when God has me do something,
but I do pray about it first. If I'm not sure, and then if I
don't feel good about it, I put it aside.
And if God brings it back on my heart, then I'll know it's OK.
And you know And we ask God for confirmation, absolutely bless
us, you know to remove the scales from our eyes and to and
to bless us with just being able to see see the good from the
evil and and with that discernment And and that's
really important to pray for. And I encourage everyone to pray
for discernment every day, especially with the people we
meet because you know wolves and sheep clothes, wolves and
sheep's clothing. I can't speak today.
You know, that's everywhere. And that's, that's what these
UFOs are. And I believe that these alien
beings are fallen angelic beings.
I believe the smaller Greys are inhabited by demonic entities.
You know, they're always looking for a body to inhabit.
And I've written a great deal on that.
And I really believe that the coming, as LA Marzulli had
coined the coming great deception, the strong delusion
that we sent to us is going to be them saying there are
ancestral Cedars, they're here to save the world.
They're here to help us and and all this thing.
I'm like, you know, helpful, benevolent entities don't kidnap
little children and rape women and steal babies, scare people
and hurt people and mutilate cows and mutilate humans.
You know, there's not just cattle mutilations, there's
human mutilations. No one ever likes to talk about
that. But that's did happen.
And you know, all that stuff gets covered up, You know, and
and then this. Or serial murders or whatever.
Like you want to, OK, you know you want to go into that.
Like I find it fascinating if you if you watch like about
Billy, I can't remember his last name, but he was like a multiple
personality and he literally would talk about having these
different feelings inside. And I'm like, this is literally
possession. Like people, people don't hit
it. And like, you can see it and he
doesn't know. Like that's the thing he doesn't
know. And so like a lot of times you
look at things like that and you go, OK, I see, I see, I see
what's going on here and I can feel the difference.
I'm a mental. The movie that came out called.
I can't think of the name of it. Shoot.
Nefarious. Is it?
Nefarious. Oh, I don't know about an
affair. I haven't watched that one yet,
but. I I was not going to watch it.
But then I heard somebody do do a review on it.
And I'm like, and I prayed about it.
And I prayed about it. And I prayed about it.
And I felt God led me, kept telling me to watch it and I
kept going, No, God, there's no way you want me to watch that
movie. And this is one of those
situations, like you and I were just talking about God kept
putting in my heart, watch the movie, watch the movie.
And I kept going, No God. That's got to be, you know.
And so I just prayed for discernment and I felt really,
truly to watch it. And I'm, it blessed me to watch
it. And I had a few other people who
I felt needed to watch it, watch it.
And it helped them understand the spiritual realm a little
better and how deceptive it can be.
So that was, you know, that was a huge, yeah, that maybe for me
it was helpful. Now I would say to anyone who
think is thinking about watching it, do your research first, you
know, the eyes are windows to your soul.
I didn't feel anything negative coming at me.
There was a lot of scripture in that movie.
So I think in that respect it was good.
But again, I'm not saying to watch it or not.
I'm just saying, pray about it if you're going to watch it.
Make sure well, and anytime we we see these things, we see them
constantly with the new movie that they just did the end of
the world movie thing. It's revelation of the method
over and over and over again. And you're just like, but what?
But my mom always says because she's very still.
Like what up. But the government loved us when
we were young. You know what I mean?
Type of thing. And I'm like, mom, OK, I get it.
But like, here's the thing. Yeah.
And I'm. Like, put the fluoride in the
water when you were young, mom. That's when they started
covering up UFO crashes in the 1800s.
You know, it's not, it didn't start with Roswell.
I bring up Roswell in the book because everyone knows it and it
just shows the deception. But it didn't start there.
There's reports going back into the 1800s and that's just 'cause
we have recorded history, but before that it knows.
Yeah, they started taking down buildings, they started hiding
bones, They started this all goes into like old world
tartaria kind of stuff. And people, people kind of poo
poo it. But I'm like, you know what?
They were hiding something. Too much proof was out there.
I grew up way to the middle of all those ancient earthworks.
They tried to call them Native American, but the Native
American people my dad knew said they didn't build them.
And every, you know, everyone. And they say the people came
from the sky. Yeah, that that came down.
They talk about this. And and actually Blue Star comes
from the Hopi people and they say that their women are
impregnated often by the Blue Star people that come down and
they have these indigo children, right.
That's right. And then look at the Hopi
prophecies and all of that. And.
And, yeah, and and we knew growing up, we knew it was just
everybody knew that. And you know I'm older so this
is, you know, 50 plus years ago. But everyone knew that this,
that they came and took the giant bones from the mounds
because they were excavating all these mounds and they called the
one site Mound City when I was growing up.
And and you know that was real. That took a lot of thought,
right. Anyway, but one of the mounds
was half excavated and it had plexiglass in front of it and it
showed you everything that was in there.
And there were big bones and stuff in there because were they
giant? I don't know.
You know, I was a kid. I couldn't measure them.
But then they made him close that up and they, everyone said
the Smithsonian came and took all the bones, took the giant
bones, and they were so. And the gate, the star gates
that they took down there were everywhere.
They were all over the place. And then like, oh, all of a
sudden they're gone. Except, you know, the main.
Friend, you should talk to about that too.
Yeah, that for you because yeah, we've got, I mean this is
something where I think you want like six or seven people, but
maybe that's too much conversation That becomes a 7
hour I'm. Always up for a conversation.
And I I mean people. That have different.
Knowledge, right? It's so hard to bring it all
together if you don't have all the like, I might have some, you
might have some right? Where all the hands and fingers
and toes and head of God, like we're we're putting this
together. And so, like people, people are
like, well, why would you talk about that or why would you talk
about this? I'm like, yeah, but think about
what I'm saying. What did they do in America as
they're introducing more white people than ever have lived
anywhere else in the whole wide world.
OK. Other than the United Kingdom.
And they have more black people than we did originally.
OK, we brought people over. But I still don't buy that
either 100%. I think a lot of them are here.
They were here or they were doing things.
But what did they do to the black people and the Indian
people that didn't write down their tradition?
What did they do? They spoke their tradition.
They had their own language. Like, you can't infiltrate that.
That's like sacred. And So what they do, they kill
them all. Yeah yeah The old tradition they
were very dangerous and but you know and the other because they
would have one. You know if you were chosen in
that tribe that's your whole life from the time you were born
was doing nothing but memorizing the oral traditions and and
those are the most dangerous people because they hold the
secrets to the past and and the one thing that my again I bring
him up all the time my friend Ellie Marsalis says are you know
the past has been deliberately obfuscated from the people the
people this and and he's you know that's why he's on the
trail. And I don't think the angels are
any fallen angels, let's say anywhere up there.
Everybody always wants to say to look to the sky.
They're definitely, absolutely never went anywhere.
Absolutely the government knows about them.
There has been so much activity in Mount Shasta for one inter
airport. They're interdimensional and
they're, you know, we we try to put them in this box and say
they and they're to we can't because they're not us and they
don't live like us. They don't live in our dimension
all the time and they're just so different from us.
And that's what's hard is we don't understand the first thing
about them. So how can we say they live on
Zeta Reticuli when we don't even know where they're from?
You know could they go from one planet to another?
Of course they could. They could probably go many,
many, many places we couldn't even imagine.
But from what I have experienced, most of them are
living in these underground facilities right under our feet.
I mean, you look at the Atlantic Ocean and there's a trench in
the Atlantic Ocean that's something like 25,000 feet deep.
How many Empire State buildings can you fit in there?
A lot. You know, think about that.
If that's how deep the ocean is, how much space is under our feet
that you can use to build? Nobody knows that there's a
molten core at the center of the Earth.
Everything we know about the Earth is conjecture.
No one's gone there. You can't prove it.
But I have been underground and there are facilities bigger than
anything you can imagine, bigger than the biggest football
stadium and airport and everything put together.
It's crazy so. It's like a whole nother world.
And it's not just me. I mean, so I've talked to so
many people who have the same experience as I do.
And the point I really want to get across is these are, I
really believe these are the fallen, the fallen beings.
You know, angels is just a term we use to describe them.
They're the Beneha, Elohim, the sons of God, the ones that fell,
you know, Satan fell and took a third of them with him.
And as the late Doctor Chuck Missler likes to say, Satan's
outnumbered. He's building an army.
And every person he can get, every hybrid, you know, every
Nephilim is another person he can add to that army.
And to keep people away and to keep people from learning the
truth, the truth about the gospel of Jesus and the truth
about eternal life, you know, they're offering people here.
We can help you live, you know, extended lives and all these
things. And you know, oh, isn't modern
technology great? No, it's not great.
We already have eternal life. We get that.
Jesus, you know, you don't have to go get a chip implanted in my
forehand or my head to get it. So that thank you.
I'll take God all day. Less.
Absolutely. And then when you try and speak
of these things to people, I know a lot of times it comes up,
well, why would they? Why would they choose you or why
would they do that to you at such a young age?
Why would they do this? Why would they do that?
And I'm with you. You.
I think it goes back to the bloodline.
It goes back to not necessarily anything you did.
Maybe not your grandparents. Maybe knowing you ever knew.
You know there's so many secrets.
I. Had a lot of Masons in my
family, high level Masons, so someone made an agreement.
But I also think that yeah, the other members of my family were
being taken to and I was inducted into Rainbow Girls.
My mom was in Eastern Star, My father De Malay, my grandfather
was a high level Mason, you know, so there is a lot of high
strangeness already. There could have been multiple
agreements made for me. I'm sure they profited from the
fact that I was something they wanted, you know?
And do they, And do they even know sometimes, like with
Mormonism? I I was a Mason.
I didn't know I was a Mason 'cause I was a Mormon and I
thought I was going to heaven, you know and and so and they
used to have some stories that are kind of interesting like
having our own planet and going to Kolab and all of these things
that we can be Co creators with God.
Sound familiar? Yeah, like the pre existence
we're going to go and create all these spirit babies and have sex
for eternity. None of this is biblical.
So where did he get it from? Right.
That's. Not that's not Bible.
It's all a counterfeit religion. And what does Satan do?
He counterfeits God's Kingdom. So you know anytime someone you
know brings something like that up, you know Ken, can God come
and bring new revelations to people?
Yes he does all the time. He does it all the time in
modern day. But it doesn't stick out like a
sore thumb. It it hits people's hearts And
you know, because we're blessed with discernment and the Holy
Spirit leaps for joy in you when you when you feel and you hear
that but these and. Many people are deceived.
Great deception. The great deception is people
always talk about the great deception.
The great deception is happening daily.
The great deception is happening constantly.
Will there be another one? I'm certain there will be
something far more nefarious. Coming.
I think since the Garden of Eden, it has been one deception
after another and that will continue.
And that's why we have to be on guard.
And the and the word tells us all through it.
To always be on guard, to always be at the gate, to always be
watching, to always be prepared, you know, not just for the
deceptions coming, but for his return too, you know, we get the
good in there too. So that's, you know, and that's
good. And I hate to cut this short
today, but I can feel the shot is in my voice and I know and
it's making me my mouth water and my voice is starting to I
don't know what's going on but I don't want to go too short.
So I I just want to give you a little heads up that I might.
Have a little heads up. I hate this.
Yeah. Well, is there anything?
You like? What is the?
Most important? Sure.
The most important thing for you that you want to get out about
what happened to you. I know the most important thing
is to spread about Jesus Christ, and he's our Savior.
We can call on him. He will intervene for us.
I believe that. I know you believe this.
Things don't just go away. So this is a daily armor of God.
That's why that scripture is in there, right?
So. But the things that occurred to
you to help others, that might be not where you're at, that
this is maybe happening to them. You know what?
What should I do? No, I love that you asked that.
Yeah because the IT is like you said the most important thing is
that is Jesus. You know in the everything, but
you know that that this phenomenon in this CFO
phenomenon, it's extremely deceptive.
And as more and more of this is rolling out and more and more
people are becoming aware this deception.
I mean, people may not be aware of how incredibly deep this is
already going, but you look at these TV programs that talk
about our Ancestral Cedars and these, you know, certain types
of alien, you know, old alien theorists believe this and that.
I'm not going to say them, but they are creating this sort of
alien religion already where they're talking about the
comedians and all these different kinds of beings
coming. And now they're separating them
into there's these guys are the good guys and these guys are the
bad guys. These guys are coming to help
and people are joining into this in droves.
It is a deception. People don't believe it, Do not
buy into what they are selling. It is a huge deception.
Ask anyone who's been taken by these entities their whole life
like I have in there, a lot of us out there, and that's why I'm
doing this. It's not a popular place to be.
Sharing this information is not something that people come
forward and do every day for good reason.
It's not. It's not necessarily always well
received. But what you have to remember is
there is so much deception going on out there.
Don't buy into it. Do not buy into the deception.
These are not our benevolent space brothers.
They are not here to help us. They are deceptive.
They are here to hurt. They're here to steal, kill and
destroy. And we have to remain vigilant
to stay in prayer, put on the full armor of God every day.
Remain vigilant. Listen to beautiful people like
Miss Heidi love. Here she is.
I'm so blessed and anointed, you know, and and find people that
you can trust, that you can follow, that you can listen to.
That's really the biggest, the biggest message.
Just don't be deceived. They're very deceptive.
I agree. I agree 100% and I would love to
do this again and talk to any of the people that you were
mentioning and we can even go more into your story, but I
didn't want to focus there like it is important what happened.
I talked about it with many people.
The left. Yeah.
The what? You're what?
Where you evolved. Like we've evolved.
I know I have, I know you have. I know that God's work and glory
is what the most important thing is.
And I mean we both have some really weird stories, but but
that is only the 1st part. Like that's just to make it
relatable in case other people you know have.
Been there. So I.
Appreciate you. Yes.
And you're strong. You're strong and brave to come
out. Because this is not.
I've heard some of the questions thrown at you and you don't back
down. It's also not comfortable.
And I didn't want to come from that.
People can sort that out. Yeah, I want to be a little.
Different there's yeah there are some that you know there are a
lot of people who interview me just so they can throw these
uncomfortable questions at me and and they they find that
thrilling and exciting and exhilarating and and you know I
I I'm not here to I'm just here to share the truth and wherever
I can and people like you make it so much easier and so much
more fun to have conversations with people like and this.
Isn't a sideshow, right? Yeah, this isn't some sideshow
story. This is about the the lesson is
what you're wanting out or you wouldn't have put that out
there. Nobody talks about these
horrible things that happened to me or happened to you or
whatever happened. I mean for just for fun, like
you want to live in someone else's pain.
And I have had people say to me, oh, I love talking to you
because your life is so wild that I feel normal.
And I'm like, you know, that's not OK Yeah, that's.
Not what we're looking for here. No, no.
But you are a strong woman too. And what you have overcome is
absolutely amazing, Heidi. And it's a blessing that we've
met and that we finally got this going and we know we're going to
do it again. So thank you very much for
having me. And I look forward to next time.