Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the 643 Conspiracy
podcast. I'm your boy Hank holding it
down. We got send our best wishes to
Drew, my Co host. He's got a a sick child again.
Had to take her to the hospital yesterday so he's unable to be
with us. Thoughts and prayers to you
brother. You know we love you, but at
this point, I guess we could call you a a a temporary Co,
temporary permanent Co host. We've got my boy, Chef Kyle in
the house. What's going on, brother?
Oh, not a whole lot, man. Happy to be here.
Happy Sunday. We are gathering.
We are gathering on the Lord's Day of Rest.
So you know, beautiful thing. And ladies and gentlemen, we've
got the amazing Heidi Love from the Unfiltered Rise podcast
joining us today. Miss Heidi, how are you doing?
Good. How y'all doing today?
You guys doing good. Everybody's happy.
Well, except you sound like you got a cold.
Kyle, you got a cold? I'm a little stuffed up, yeah.
Oh, is that why you're drinking the magic potion?
Did you get it? Did you get it from Joseph
Smith? And we woke up yesterday morning
and it was 43 degrees outside. Oh, is that like not normal for
you guys at all, considering two weeks ago it was 100.
It's it's just been a drastic shift real quick and my sinuses
have been just full chaos mode for the last two or three days.
And it happens anytime the the weather flies.
But they're spraying us. Yeah, I smoke a pack of
cigarettes a day, so that. Definitely doesn't make that
too. OK, all right.
I mean, I acknowledge I do it to myself, but.
Yeah, no, but they're saying, OK, so I got on, I jumped on
this morning and people are talking about the moon phases
not being quite right this month.
Did you see that? That like a piece of the moon.
And people were like all off on their girl problems and
everything. And I was like this Mandela
Effect, my daughter that this happened.
Like I don't have that happen. So I have to go to other people
because. I'm lucky.
I'm. I'm done.
Six kids is enough. Kids.
Like, come on. Yeah.
So, but yeah, she said that happened to her too.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, is this actually real?
What? So maybe we were Mandela again?
I don't know. I don't pay attention to like
what what the forecast for the moon phases are.
But I look at it every night when I take my dogs out, and
maybe I just don't know how this whole whole existence thing
works. But the moon, the moon makes no
sense. Like from a night, you know,
'cause you can, you can track the progression of the sun day
from day. It's going to be a little bit
farther, a little bit farther, a little bit farther.
But the moon does not play by the same rules, because one
night it'll be here and it'll be really big, and then the next
night it's going to be like 40 degrees away and really far
away. But then the next night it's it,
it just doesn't play by any. It don't play fair is it is
like, I don't I don't understand, but it there's some
crazy stuff going on with the moon.
It sucks energy. Like if you measure like
different degrees of how it it, it actually sucks energy.
It doesn't give, It's like opposite.
As the bubbles so blow, the sun gives energy, the moon takes it.
So I I always, I always think it's kind of weird, 'cause there
is, and we're going to get into Mormonism.
But it there is a little weird thing that happened with Joseph
Smith later. They were talking about how
there were Quakers on the moon. Like, people Quakers.
And I'm just picturing the dude from the oatmeal up there.
And his wife or something. I I would assume 7 wives or
something like that. I'm like, OK, seven Quake
Arettes and a dude. I don't know.
I'm like, it was so weird. It was such a blip.
And of course the church came out later.
Oh no, no, no, that didn't. There's so many things like
that. But never happened.
Don't go look it up. Yeah, it didn't happen, right?
Yeah, that and getting our own planet and all those things.
If you go look it up now, they're like, who would say
that? That's stupid.
I'm like, well, you guys said that because I'm old and I
remember. So I'm like, I remember learning
this when I was a kid, you know? But yeah, they try to play it
off like they do the whole superstar thing, like don't talk
about it, just deny, deny and walk away.
So I'm pretty sure you said it because I've heard you on
several shows. Are you from Utah?
I am. I live in Utah.
OK, so. In the last couple of years,
Arkansas and BYU have had a football series going on and one
one thing my boss has always asked me is how many black
Mormons have I ever? And you know why, right?
And I'm like well boss, very few.
And if by very few you mean zero, then there would you know
and I I because I've known there's Mormon church about 30
minutes away from here. My mom was really good friends
with a Mormon couple and they were great folks and you know
I've met several of the Mormon I I guess you call them preachers.
The guys that door, the door knockers, you know?
The missionaries. Yeah, the missionaries.
One thing I've always wondered is do you know if BYU as a as a
college makes exemptions for their athletes that come to play
sports there, like or do do the athletes that come to BYU have
to practice the Mormon faith while they're there?
That is a good question. I know because I want to say
their head coach is is Hawaiian of an of yeah but or he's some
he he he's not he's not a Mormon.
He's not a black guy. And so I'm.
Just wondering, yeah, they have a, they make an exception.
They have a big following with Hawaiians and Samoans, any
island, Pacific people. They really have reached out to
and done a lot of charity. Yeah, they are.
And. And the reason why you don't see
very many black people? Because they're smart.
Let me explain, because they weren't allowed into our church
until I believe it was 1958 when they changed that.
Don't quote me on the exact date, but it was right after all
the segregation was ending that they were even allowed to hold
the priesthood. Because this is the story that I
was told as a child versus the story that they come out with.
Now. I and and I'll give this
disclaimer, like you said, there are very many Mormon people.
That are wonderful people. Just like there's some
government officials that are like maybe your local mayor
that's a nice guy or a sheriff that's a nice guy.
Does that mean I trust the government?
No. Should you trust a big, big
church that's one of the wealthiest in all of the world?
Probably not. So when it gets to the top level
that it's a lot different. But these other people that are
just the kids knocking on your door, they're 19 to 21.
They go home after they're 21. And their kids, you know,
they're just out there doing what they think the Lord has
called them to do. And they know they probably
don't know any of the stuff that we're going to talk about
because even me, as a Mormon for 34 years brought up in it
everything. I didn't know most of this stuff
until I got out. You have to really research.
But also so the story goes, is that when there was the war in
heaven and it was between God and Lucifer and the angels were
cast out. The ones that followed Lucifer
were cast down with him, and then the ones that followed God
went with God. But there were some that didn't
decide and they were called the fence sitters.
And if you look it up like Mormon Fence Sitter, I'm pretty
sure you'll find some information.
So the fence sitters were were cursed because they didn't pick
a side and they turned them shades of brown and black
because of their curse. Then there's also the curse of
Cain. Which they also endorse and
believe. And the church was extremely
racist and did not allow them to hold the priesthood because they
were those things either cursed or fence sitters in their
lineage for a long time until like segregation ended until the
50s. And so they also pushed not
marrying interracially. Which really?
That wasn't a reason why I left, but it always bothered me
because my brother married my mom married 1/2 Latin, half
native. My brother married a black gal
that was from Chicago back East. So our family and my sister
married actually a Hawaiian. He's half high Hawaiian, half
Chinese and they're not together anymore, but they had all their
kids together and. So, and he was a coach and I'll
tell you it, it happens a lot with the Polynesian community.
They focus highly on the Polynesian community because
they're so family oriented. Their big trick is when they
come knocking on your door is that hopefully and that it's not
the kids that have the trick, although they do give them.
One of my neighbors went on a mission and he had to come home
because of the lovely 2020. And so he told me some things
he's like you know they have all these forums, they have this
like different apps to like respond to things like that.
It's like a salesman type pitch thing.
If you get this question go say this, if you do this go it's all
it's all pre programmed. They're they're programmed, they
go to a mission training center before they go out in the field
to learn all this stuff. So they're there for quite a
while and and they're on their missions for almost 2 years, so.
Long story short, they're hoping when they knock that you have
some dead relative, dead child, or are really family focused and
they'll say don't you want to be with your family forever?
Like for time and all eternity. That's their their thing, time
and all eternity. Well when we marry people, we
marry them for time and all eternity, even though that's
completely non biblical cause what does Jesus say?
What does the Bible say? That there's no male or female
in heaven. There's no marriage in heaven
because. When Jesus answered that
question to the man who said which one of the husbands will
be this wife because she had all these husbands die, he said it
won't be that way in heaven. That's why it's always said till
death do you part. So we're not we don't even, I
don't think we'll even have like a sex when we when we're gone
and we we don't have a body. So I mean, the Mormons kind of
use that and prey upon people that really like.
Are family oriented. So that's why they have a huge,
huge thing in the Hawaiians, Polynesians, all that.
They're very family oriented. So I think that's why they sneak
into that. But black people, they're not so
easy to. They're more SUS.
They're like what? Like they start looking up a
couple things and they're like, I'm not going to that church
because you guys are crazy. In 1958 you didn't, you just
barely let us in. I'm sure there's I would have
feelings. I would have definite feelings
about that. So that's my, my Long story
short on that. But yeah, I mean that's that's
life, you know that. Yeah, that's, I mean back when,
you know, back it. It was probably close to 15
years ago, I guess the the couple my mom was friends with,
they had a son that was around my little brother's age and they
were really great friends. And that guess they were doing,
they were doing something at the church building.
And I can't remember what it was, but like the whole
congregation was gathering and Laura and her husband brought me
and my brothers. And you would never think that
by walking in their church building for and looking at, you
know, these photos that you sent me, that there would be any kind
of connection. No, because here's the I mean,
I'm never bought into, never bought into, even because I've
glanced through the Book of Mormon.
But to me, it's I can't. I can't.
I can't take anything covered, one letter cover to cover.
I can't give it credibility because I know that this man is
saying he received this from an Angel.
Yes, and I think he definitely did.
Even if you want to argue that the Bible was pinned by man, at
least the the men that pinned the Bible give credit straight
to God himself, not some intermediary.
Right. Yep.
And I think people, real quick people, fail to realize that the
men that pinned the Bible didn't pull these ideas out of thin air
and put them down of their own volition.
It was almost like automatic writing.
Not every part of the Bible, because they also put their own
two cents into it, but it was all of it was like given to them
through the Holy Spirit by God. Like like it wasn't their own
ideas. These men didn't just pull this
out of their own ass and put it on paper.
Excuse my language. No, you don't have to.
I thought it was funny. I'm.
I'm the thing that my husband always really focuses on with
the church is. Is like if you go look for
archaeological evidence of the Bible, you will find it.
You will find at Sea Scrolls, you will find old things that
came from there in biblical times that match up the places
exist, all the things go with it.
So if you go try and do that with the Book of Mormon, you'll
find nothing except for Joseph Smith.
There's they. He talked about having this big
war in the in the Book of Mormon on the hill.
Kimora. Where he lived basically really
close by him that the church now owns.
Now, if they wanted to prove this, there would be thousands
of bodies buried in this hill from battle, just like we can go
to Gettysburg, right? You can.
I've been there. You can go there.
You can see that there was a battle that was fought there.
You can't do that on this hill because it doesn't exist.
And if they wanted to prove it, I would be digging it up and
saying, yeah, let's find all the dead people that were in this
war that he said that happened. And prove it.
But they can't. And so instead what they did is
they planted a whole bunch of trees and have now said that
they will not excavate it because, you know, we got to
save the trees, so how convenient.
They'll never, they'll never do anything to prove it because we
all know it's unprovable. And I and with the automatic
writing thing, like the stuff that was given for the Bible was
on scrolls that was put together.
It wasn't even, It wasn't even automatic.
Like the people that wrote each book, they had a Dead Sea scroll
for that scroll. And then that is backed up by
the Bible and it matches really well.
Like there's none of because Joseph Smith did automatic
writing for the Book of Mormon. And I believe that he absolutely
did. And I don't believe it was from
an Angel, from God. Angels are deceptive and were
warned in the Bible that you you have to be careful, you know,
because we never know. And how many times has a fallen
Angel come to someone like I can name a few.
And I would love. I'm going to find me a John D
expert someday. And we're going to go down this
road because John D saw an Angel.
And what came of it? The Enochian alphabet.
And what came of that? Multiple religions, right in the
occult. So let's go to Aleister Crowley.
He saw an Angel. It wasn't a wasp.
It wasn't. An Angel.
To him, it appeared as an alien. Why?
Because he was dark and he would receive that type of thing.
Because what do angels say? If you see an Angel, what do
they say the first thing out of their mouth?
Do not be afraid. So they're gonna appear to you
however you're willing to. Like, okay.
I can handle this, you know, like this is okay for my brain.
So they can appear any way they want.
That's all over the Bible that the Nephilim can take any shape,
any human shape beast, whatever. They can do that.
And it's known. So I mean he what did he do?
What was awas told Crowley to do what write a book and he did and
it became a religion and it's called the Lima and he wrote the
book of the law. So and he wrote many others on
top of that. Then we got Jack Parsons and we
go out and playing in the desert with.
The Scientology guy. And they're out there and what
happens? The angels tell him to write a
book. So they write a book and they
start a religion and it's Scientology.
And what happened with Joseph Smith, He saw angels and what
happened? He wrote a book and he started a
religion. I'm sorry, there's too many
coincidences. That's a lot.
Well, you got to remember also what the what the Book of
Revelation said about the the fallen angels and and Lucifer.
He said that they're going to appear as ministers of
righteousness and angels of light.
They're not going to come up as some scary red dude with horns
and a pitchfork and big bad uglies that crawl with broken
bodies. They're not going to do that.
They're going to try to come to you with something they know
you'll accept. Except Crowley, yeah, because he
was dark. But he knew what Crowley would
accept, and he would. He wouldn't have accepted
something beautiful and of the light.
He would. He needed it to be something
dark and obscured. Yep.
So they obliged. What's your question, Kyle?
So when you left the the Mormon church, did you go straight to
Christianity or did you take like a little bit of a break and
then kind of look into whether religions, how did that, how did
that play out? I think what happened for me was
I always knew Jesus was real. I always had the deep rooted
feeling because. I had that really.
I had a really hard childhood. I was really like abused in
every sort of way. And my family was so messed up
that I called to God from a very young age.
Like, I knew that God was real. I just didn't know what to do
with this whole church thing. But your whole family's in it.
So then my mom got out and she became a Stevens minister for
Christian, non denominational church.
So it was easier for me. To go to her, and then my
husband as well, he was already saved.
And so they both had this good, you know, foundation, biblical
foundation of Christianity, because they don't teach you the
Bible. Well, they might now, but back
when I grew up, it was. Solely focused on Joseph Smith
and the Book of Mormon, the Bible was kind of like, yeah,
it's there, it might not be correct because they might have
translated it wrong and that's it.
That's all they say. So you don't really focus your
time and study on that. So luckily I had people
surrounding me that were like, hey, look at this, look at that.
Don't lose hope, don't lose faith.
Because I would say 90% of people that leave become
atheist. I mean or Gnostic or Gnostic.
And and it's sad to me because they don't have the foundation
in Christ because it's not there.
We're not taught that. The only reason I had it is
because I had a crap life and I ended up a word of the courts by
the time I was 12. So I was constantly calling on
God like. Please help me.
You know, I mean, so when you go through struggle, you grow, you
know, and and back then God to me was just God.
And I didn't know a difference, you know, between Mormon God and
God. But Mormon God is not.
They don't even believe in the Trinity.
They believe that the Holy Ghost and Jesus Christ and God are
three separate people and that they're completely separate
entities and have nothing to do. And they actually believe that
God had sex with Mary, Like, literal.
Not like a divine, none of that. They believe that it was like a
sexual thing and that he was part man just like any other
man. That that's what they think.
So have you ever seen the the series that came out a while
back called Hell on Wheels? Not Hell on Wheels.
Oh, that's a different one. I thought you were going to stay
under the banner of heaven. No, I've never seen that one,
but Hell on Wheels is probably one of my favorite series of all
time. It's a story of right after the
Civil War. It's a story surrounding the the
building of the transcontinental railroad.
And there's a section of the of the show where they're ending up
going through Utah and they're having to deal with the Mormons
a lot. And Brigham Young is alive at
this time. And I was really hoping you had
seen it, because I was wondering, you know, if you were
knowledged in. You know, middle 1800s
Mormonism, you know that it was that portrayal of it because
they were they're they're portrayed in the show as they
mentioned God, but they put all their stock and faith into a man
who was the IT was almost like the American version of
Catholicism. The way it was portrayed they
had an intermediary you know Brigham Young was the the the
what he what the line of the Lord and and he he he alone
interpreted God's will and and all that and very Polk like ish
and it's it's more than it's actually worse than the
Catholics because the Catholics don't believe in any direct
revelation any further. They're done with it.
They study and they do get led by the Pope but we believe and I
say we because I'm talking about Mormons I'm out I don't want to
even go there but I still say it.
So anyways, Mormons believe that whoever is the president of the
church at that time, so then it was Brigham, but before that it
was Joseph. And like right now we have one
right now. And so they believe that that is
a literal prophet, a living prophet who can actually talk to
God and receives direct revelation from God.
So that whole thing about the, the race card that I was telling
you that they changed later, that was because God told them
to change it. Not because of politics, not
because it fit good, not because it made sense, but because God
somehow, all of a sudden in that perfect timing.
And that's what they'll say, Well, it was perfect timing.
But here's the fun part of it. Brigham Young was kind of a
monster. And everybody knew like he had,
he had tons of wives, he was super racist.
There's tons of comments about him saying, like if you were to
find your wife in bed with a black man, it's better for you
to spear them both through than to let them live like he was
horrible, like. And so when all that stuff
started coming out, the church will turn it and they'll say,
but he was just a man, wait a minute, I thought he was
divinely a prophet of God doing the work of God.
And what does it say in the Bible about prophets?
If they're wrong? Once, that's it.
You throw everything out that they say, right, It's in the
Bible. But the Mormon church doesn't do
that. They turn it around and they
say, well, of course it was the times.
Well, of course he's just a man. Well, of course, blah, blah,
blah. He had so many wives because all
the men died in the war and and all these wars coming up with
you know I'm. Glad you mentioned that.
Because that was another aspect that in Hell on Wheels was, I'm
going to watch this. I really hope you do, if not
just for the involvement of the Mormons, because our your, your
main character actually gets deeply intertwined with the
Mormons, but they are very standoffish and.
Oppositional to the federal government at the time.
Well, they were in general because.
And I know that there was a big war, pretty much a war between
the American government and the Mormons because of polygamy,
because polygamy. They would not let them become a
state. And so they tried to become
their own state, and they called it the state of Deseret.
And then when that was happening, they wouldn't give
them full statehood, which is why their name got changed to
Utah later. But that was all because of the
abstinent against, you know, polygamy.
And they, they weren't going to let it go.
And so as long as and now they say, OK, unless you're FLDS.
Now FLDS still follows the same rules that like your show is
probably at. Like they still have multiple
wives and different things. But the normal mainstream LDS
people now have to follow the letter of the law.
So they say, OK, you have to follow the law of of the world
or whatever, you know, so that that in essence ended that war
when they gave up on the polygamy thing.
But they never did in the temple and I'll explain it, but they
did on paper but they didn't. They didn't in the temple
because to this date, like when I got, I went to the temple.
I married in the temple to my first husband who left me was on
meth, had a girlfriend like didn't take care of my kids,
didn't. I couldn't even find him for two
years. To divorce him like this was a
disaster. Okay.
And so they still said to me, you cannot have a temple divorce
until you have another husband lined up to take his place.
And if you do have another husband lined up and he fits all
the qualifications, we still have to write a letter to your
ex-husband getting permission for you to go through the temple
with him. And he basically gets to decide
my fate. Like if he didn't want to and
believe me, he would have. Not he.
He he never did. I never went through with my
second husband. So they get to decide for you,
unless you go through a whole council and you, you have to
take your case and plead your case and all this stuff.
And then it gets one worse, which is when my ex-husband said
I don't care if they do sanction it, I'm not going, It's because
my son was born, he's my, my, not my first husband, not the
guy that I went through the temple with, right.
So he said, I said we have to get him sealed to us because we
had this son, you know, in our marriage and they're like, no,
you don't. And he goes, what do you mean,
no, I don't. And he's like, well, technically
her ex-husband was a proxy for you and you're just going to
take over his spot. So like my son is like sealed to
this other guy and my ex, has he just lost his mind?
He was like, this church is crap.
I'm not going. I wasn't sure about it in the
1st place. This just pisses me off.
I'm raising his kids and this guy gets to decide whether we
get married and now he's like the fake heaven father of my
son. You got to be crazy.
His only child. Like that's his blood child and
he just lost it. Yeah, he was done.
He was like but, but, but, but if it were Kyle and Kyle wanted
to get married tomorrow to another lady and leave his wife
and leave that wife and leave another wife and leave another
wife, every single one of them would be sealed to him in the
temple because he's a guy and that is polygamy by proxy.
My uncle was married seven times and not one of those needed a
temple divorce because he's a man.
He's married to all 7 still like in the temple as far as that
goes. And so they'll try and play it
off. They'll try and say they've
changed their ways. They say a lot of things.
But when you leave it open by proxy and you lock it down for a
woman like that just doesn't even make sense to me.
You know, I'm like, OK, I I mean, some of my uncles weren't
even justified. And it lets the guys just hurry
and randomly rapidly get remarried all the time because
they have no, they have no reason to not.
And they push the not having sex before marriage so hard even
afterward that, you know, a lot of times the guy will do it just
to get with a girl. And then she's just, you know,
out of luck. She's out of luck, Chuck.
So. My boss and I were talking
yesterday while I was at work. He knows I podcast and I'm a
conspiracy, that he calls me a nut because I believe the earth
is flat and all this stuff. Like, I genuinely believe he
stares at the ceiling at night, writhing his fists in anger
because I believe the earth is flat.
But we got to talking about, you know, I said I'm bringing a
guest on, She speaks out against the Mormon church and stuff.
And I'm really, you know, I really like her story.
And he got to talking about how polygamy was necessary for the
Mormons because after this war. Half pretty much like half of
the male population in the in the faith was decimated.
And so the other like you know you had, you had twice as many
wives and children out there that needed to be absorbed by
other men. And and I was just like if that
was for the will, if that was for the widows and the older
women, I would understand it. But they weren't marrying older
women. They were marrying 14 year olds.
So I don't think so they could have just let her wait till she
was 19 and like maybe a dude would be old enough by then.
Like they didn't do that. They were marrying young girls.
If they only married older women.
And they were like, we have to do this and take care of our our
people, OK, But that's not the case.
And which, you know, ironically, here we are in another circular
moment. I mentioned to you earlier that
these garments that these people wear look like something from
the Middle East. Well, what do you see in Islam?
Bunch of old cat and I mean senior citizen, old marrying 12
year olds and stuff. So there's you another parallel.
Really young brides. Sometimes even as like horribly
young like. They they can be.
Yeah. They they actually marry infants
and then wait hopefully wait. But yeah, I mean they don't
care. And that that to me that
religion and and our, like, when I say our Mormon religion is
very similar other than it's like the New Age movement of
Muslim, I swear, like. And then they just just take out
the one name, put in Joseph Smith and then you're good.
You know, that that's all they do.
I mean, it cracks me up in a way.
But then I'm like, well, it makes sense because if this was
sent by a deceiving Angel, it should be similar.
Like, shouldn't the story be similar, you know?
And I mean, we used to have to veil our faces in the temple.
Now they changed this because God told the guy right now
because there was like a whole bunch of problems with women
saying like, we don't like this anymore.
So they changed it. But we used to have to put that
veil over our face when we were anytime in the temple, and they
were doing something for the priesthood because we were not
worthy, because we couldn't receive the priesthood to even
set our eyes upon it. And so it was just certain parts
of the ceremony that they had women do that and now they
don't. Now it's different, but I think
it's always the church is really politically correct.
A lot of times, like they'll be really incorrect and then
they'll go full board correction.
Like it's like a flip side, just like with the whole, you know,
when the priesthood got given to the people later that were black
or brown or whatever, they were like, oh, because it was a
revelation. But it was like during that same
time frame. So it makes you go, yeah, OK,
same thing. One guy came out and spoke out
against, you know, the pride thing and all that stuff a few
years ago. Well, they took that right back
this year because there's too much of it going on.
So they they were like, oh, well, just kidding.
We not that they endorsed it per SE, but they were like, that was
a little harsh. And so now they're like, just
kidding, you know? And it it just, it amazes me the
amount of times that they've redone the Book of Mormon.
If it's perfect in its entirety, just like we can compare the
Holy Bible to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
There's not a lot of difference. There's very few differences.
Like it's if it is, it's like grammatical and they argue about
these little tiny words that are like was or were or something
little. But no, it's not like that with
the Book of Mormon. They, they actually have had
their copies read on so many times that one of the guys that
I followed after I got Outlook Kyle was asking about, I went on
and and looked at these other people that were LDS that left
and one of them's named Bishop. Earl, a Bishop to us is like a
priest for for Catholics and he used to be a Bishop and they
gave him, they gave him assignment, 'cause I think he
knew something Hebrew or maybe I'm not sure exactly what he
knew. But they gave him an assignment
to take one of the original copies of the Book of Mormon and
do something with it was some kind of translation thing.
And after that he left. He was like, yeah, none of this
is like anything to do with anything we do now.
So he's like, OK, like it was just weird, you know, and and so
you see these things and it goes so high up and they basically
represent the Godhead. So you when you have, when
you're in the church, there's the prophet, the president, the
prophet. They kind of changed it.
See how they do that? The prophet sounds sounds to oh
So what do they do that he's the president now?
Now I hear it all the time. He's the president.
And I'm like they do these little sneaky things.
So then he has, you know, his first counselor and 2nd
counselor. So what's that?
It represents A Godhead. Right.
So there's three. And then he has the quorum of
the 70. And it's all these guys that
like, know these deep, deep secrets that are even more so
than what I could ever tell you because there's something called
a second anointing. Like we go through and do the
ones that I showed you on the paper and I'll talk about with
the temple rites, but they do another one called a second
anointing that we don't even see that we and it got leaked.
I don't even know who we did, but you can go and check it out
and it it's basically kind of like when the Catholics gave the
people back in the day, they would sell them like their way
to heaven. I can't remember those names,
but they would say, oh, if you, if you pay us this much money,
you can go to heaven and here's your paper, It's kind of like
that situation, like you can get bought in.
They'll they'll deny this. They'll say this is not true.
But I also speak out in truth for Mormons.
Like I I listen to a lot of programs where they've
interviewed people and this one girl that they interviewed and
they were like, yeah, they beat their wives and they choose the
the husbands and all this stuff. And I'm like, no, your family
just sounds like they were crazy.
Like, no, they they don't do that.
Like they don't encourage beating your wife.
They don't encourage choosing a husband for anybody.
They don't. They don't.
This is not part of their doctrine anymore.
But then these other people come out against it because maybe
they had a bad dad or a bad family uncle or somebody, or
they were sexually abused in it, which they've had a lot of
sexual abuse cases, just like the Catholics.
But like that's all men. That's not in this, It's not in
the church. It's not like it it has happened
and I do believe some of the stuff and a lot of the stuff we
do in the temple it calls out, it puts out energy negative bad
energy. And I wouldn't doubt at the top
level there's some weird SRA type stuff but I can't prove or
show you anything that says that I'm just that's that's how it is
you know so but there is a lot of Satan type worship in there.
We got the inverted stars. And when you go in and you first
go through the temple, everything is really similar to
the Masons because Joseph Smith was a master Mason and he became
a master Mason. In two days.
He became a Freemason. And then within 48 hours he was
rose up to the level of Master Mason, which is really weird
because he had an older brother and the older brother died and
they don't know. It was like a real sudden
they're like, oh, sudden, sudden illness.
Well, Masons are known for, like, sacrificing their eldest
sons to, like, make it, you know, higher.
And then. Yeah.
And then Joseph Smith's son, his first baby that was born to him
was a son. And it was shortly after that,
extremely deformed, barely lived.
And they named it the dead brother's name.
And I'm like, there's some crap. And then all of a sudden he's
Master Mason. So after he's a Master Mason, he
goes through their temple ceremony because they have a
temple ceremony as well. And I've spoke to the New York
patriot who was an OTO member, and I've spoke to a couple
people that were Masons. And they say it's the same thing
as a not. He's like, you got to go watch a
Gnostic Mass. It's like, very similar.
You get naked, you put on these new robes, You guys get naked,
You put on this new thing, like you have the sash thing, you
have the apron. Like, he was talking all about
it to me. He's like, you got to go watch.
Some parts of this are similar, like the way they they don't do
this anymore. They used to say they'd slit
their throats or slit their bowels before they'd speak a
word of the stuff I'm telling you, and they don't do it
anymore because people got uncomfortable.
So in the 1980s, they were like, hey, God told us we're not going
to do that anymore. But it's a Gnostic Mass.
That's the same thing. Why are we doing similar stuff
as an OTO ritual at any point? Even if they did stop, like
what? Why is it so close to Masonry?
And when you go and look at the church site now?
Because everything blew up after the Internet came about.
When the Internet came about, they had to start backtracking
like nobody's business. And at first they tried to keep
people from going on. They they were like, we have our
own website, you can talk to your own people.
You can talk to your Bishop. Doubt your doubt, doubt your
doubts. Don't doubt your faith.
That was what they would. That was like their slogan.
It was like a slogan all over the place.
And so for a while there, that worked.
But people were just too curious.
They would hear these crazy things.
And so they had to go backtrack. And now there's a video out that
says, yeah, why? Why is Mormons like masonry?
Oh, because blah, blah, blah. And now they admit that he's a
Mason, but that was never a thing when I was young.
And they also denied that he was a polygamist when I was young.
They denied all of that. They're like, Oh no, that's
that's the Brigham Young did that later because of the war.
Well, what about Joseph Smith? He already had a whole bunch of
wives. He had over 30.
So what about that? That was before they made it to,
you know, the whole big deal with the federal government that
was under Brigham. So what about that?
And if they were already fighting about polygamy, then
how was this so-called war? The 'cause?
It can't be. It happened after the fact.
They already were pissed. Yeah.
So it doesn't. Their timeline never adds up,
but they don't care. They just they just push it
under a rug and say like it's. That's fine.
You know, we don't do that anymore.
So. But you know, yeah, we get the
new underwear. Mason's get new underwear.
I wore those underwear. They are AT shirt and like boxer
briefs for women as well. It's like without the flaps, but
they look like that's. They go to the knee and they're
long. They come to like hear a cap
sleeve. They have a ruler over your
umbilicus they that goes sideways.
Then they have the square encompass over each nipple and
then the ruler on the I believe it's the right knee.
So yeah all these signs and symbols and I wore them for a
long time and had no idea. I had no idea.
But that's how it is. And the first time you go
through, you're going through for yourself, but the second
time and third time and any time after that, you're going through
for dead people. And I mean they just put all
these names in genealogy bases. That's why they're really crazy
about like ancestry. DNA is a Mormon based, that's a
Mormon based thing. So they own that.
They're really into DNA because they want us all to know our
family tree as far back as you can get it.
And then you take all the names and you do this work for the
dead. And they're supposedly waiting
in like this waiting area in heaven, like not heaven, but in
the beyond, for us to do the work for them so they can ascend
because they believe in three levels of heaven.
So yeah. Wow.
It's a lot. I feel like I'm, I'm over
sometimes. I talk a lot.
No, you were perfectly fine. I'm just gobsmacked because I've
never heard any of this, you know.
I've never heard any. You know, I'm and I'm sitting
here thinking, damn. And I really thought I knew
something about this is the basics.
Yeah, this is the very basic and like they used to have where we
would get naked, like what I went through, you had to get
naked and put this poncho thing on that was open on the sides
and sit on this stool thing is like a bench.
And come to find out later, it's an altar.
I had no idea. And you're in a little dressing
room. No, nothing sexual is happening
to you. But the fact that you have to be
in there naked, like, and then somebody comes in and blesses
you through the sides of it like that it's a lady.
But and then I'm sitting there and the only weird part about it
is I was like, she's a lady. She can't have the priesthood.
And my dumb, my dumb, brainwashed brain was like,
where's the guy at? He I need a guy for this, then
she can't do this. And then I.
I'm surprised they didn't have a guy doing that.
That sounds like some weird fucking shit that they would do.
Well, I think maybe they used to and then they probably changed
it because they changed. They change everything and they
changed that whole. Thing.
And then God said, ah, you know, we're not going to do this.
You got it. You got it.
Yep, dude, I see the, he told. Yep, he told the Prophet.
Yep, you're not wrong. And then it was because so many
people were uncomfortable. So now they wear a jumpsuit.
Instead of being naked in this poncho thing, they wear a
jumpsuit that zips up, and they only do it on your forehead.
But they still do the same blessings.
They bless your sinews and your loins and all this weird stuff
so that you'll go forth and prosper and making babies and
all this weird stuff so. As of now, as of now, you give
it a couple years and it'll probably switch up.
It'll be different then they'll be.
They're gonna be blessing your ears, yeah.
And your eyebrows? Yeah, they'll change.
They change it all the time. It's wild like.
I think that's a sign right there.
I think that's a in my opinion. I think that's a sign like so
many changes within that. Religion I I guess that has that
has to like through generations that has to be a little weird
like well back in my day we used to like just like the same when
I was young we used to do it like this.
Now they do it like that and things have just changed so much
and you you would think with like a a religion like that,
they would try to keep it the same.
They don't care because they say that God reveals it to the
living prophet. It's a little different for the
Pope. He has to at least go by
guidelines that are already written because they don't
believe in any current revelation.
So they feel that all the revelation that's already taken
place is already done. At least they have a solid
foundation that Pope can do whatever he wants, and he may
get criticized for it, but he doesn't base it on God told me
like he might just do it because he's in charge, you know, at
least he has the balls. Excuse my language enough to say
I'm going to do this instead of like the Mormons who are so soft
spoken, They're like, oh, but God said so it's OK, you know,
God, God told us. And I'm like, no.
And it's a yeah, it's a manipulation too.
Even the way they speak, they speak, really.
If you watch how they speak at conference or like when they're
on television at all, it's a very soft, very unassuming male,
very unassuming male presentation to the world that
they that they're not, oh, they would never hurt a family.
They're just nice old grandpas, you know, that's what they want
to come across like. And then you find out some stuff
later, which has happened here. We've had some really bad
ritualistic sexual abuse cases here that are still open with
like attorneys and sheriff's and all the stuff involved in people
at the high levels. And you know, that case is still
open. Some people talk about it
already. But I kind of feel weird, like
other than the mention, because, I mean, you're supposed to be
innocent until proven guilty. So I feel weird about going into
a full thing on it. But if you look up the Levitt
case, it's pretty disturbing. And I I don't doubt that there's
some things that happened there. Yeah, it's it's wild.
I know. It's.
I mean, and then let alone like the fact that if you're not
married, your priesthood comes from your husband.
So I always used to ask my grandma, like, well, what about
people that don't get married? Like, what if they're the best
people ever? They can't go to the the nicest
heaven, the celestial Kingdom, 'cause they have the celestial
Kingdom, the telestial Kingdom and the terrestrial Kingdom, and
they're all separate. They're all three.
Three. Heavens, yeah.
That makes sense because I was floating around on Reddit.
Uh huh. I was trying to find those the
the photos that that you were talking about cuz I found them
last time. But I keep seeing these things
and it says terrestrial. Yeah, Celestial.
And I didn't. I was gonna ask you I I had no
idea what that even meant. But OK, so those are the.
So there's three levels. And then there's then there's
kind of like purgatory, which is reserved.
It it's not called that. They call it outer darkness, and
that's reserved solely for murderers and like people that
leave the church and speak out against it like me.
So that's what they say. They say that that's solely
reserved for that. And then hell is like, they kind
of skirt around hell a little bit.
They're kind of like, well, hell is because you didn't do what
you were supposed to. So hell is like being on earth,
but they don't really come out and say, yeah, you could go to
hell except for outer darkness, which is murderers and people
that leave and speak out and so and or and or leave.
I mean, I you don't have to speak out, but if you turn
against it after you've gone to the highest level, then they
feel that you are definitely going to go to outer darkness.
So yeah, ridiculous. My husband was like, why are my
parents so weird with you? And they're not weird with me
because I left the church at 16. I just thought it would be the
same for you. But then he mentioned to them
one day, oh, she had gone through the temple.
So then everybody knows what level you're at.
Everyone. And so most people in Utah wear
that as, like, a badge of honor. Like, if you say, oh, yeah, I've
been to everybody. Everybody in my neighborhood has
like all of them. That's a thing.
You know, like they've all, I mean there will be probably one
in 10 maybe that haven't and you, you know.
But if you leave that's like a badge of like bad.
And so his parents know I'm not I don't go and that I'm against
it. So automatically they're like,
you know, she's gonna go to hell.
So don't bother wasting your time on her, 'cause they're,
like, still nice to like my husband or like other people in
the family that aren't Mormon. Well, because you can still save
them, you know, But you can't save me.
I'm an apostate and. Once you've already been to the
Mormon, once you've already been to the temple, you've done it,
and then you leave. You're unsavable.
You're fucked. You're shunned.
Unless I if I went back and I begged for forgiveness and I
went through like the whole excommunication and then I went
to like, it's like court, like church court.
And then you go in front of all this panel of men and they
decide your fate whether you're sorry or not.
And then they give you like they'll say like, oh, you have
to wait a year and you have to get re baptized like you were
never done any of it and rework your way all the way back up and
then go back through the temple. Maybe then I'm never doing that,
by the way. Not because it's hard, just
because it's yucky. Like I I never felt worse than I
felt in that room. Because before you go to the
temple, the church is really great.
It keeps you busy and it's a little overwhelming on busyness,
especially as a mom. But like they treat you well,
They'll help you if you don't have food.
They have all these great get togethers.
It's very community based. It's there if you have surgery,
people will bring you casseroles, if you know,
whatever, all that, all of it. And so my allergies are bad too.
Today you're Kyle's having struggle I.
Just took an allergy pill too. I don't know if it's helping or
making it worse, but my cat's over here so I got cat.
Anyhow, it's the worst. They're bad right now.
But yeah, so if you if you have that kind of community and they
surround you and they treat you good, and especially they do to
the youth, I mean, they really cater to the kids, which doesn't
surprise me. Drew that you had a really good
relationship with the neighbor and stuff.
Like, they do basketball, they do dances, they do, you know,
all this fun stuff, they do activities for kids and you can
go meet a nice Mormon girl, you know, whatever.
Like they do combined things, whatever.
But like later when you go through and you know what's
really up, you can't take that back.
And, you know, and you're sitting in church, like, for a
month afterward, like, what the hell happened to me in there?
It's bad. It's not.
It's not fun. Yeah.
And there I I never joined. I I was I was close.
I was tempted there for a while. There was like 2-3 year stretch
where I was tempted to go join the local Mason Temple.
I had a a guy that I was really good friends with.
He was an older cat and he was telling me.
Like he was he he told me, like the very first time he mentioned
any of it. He was like, technically, if
anybody finds out that I'm telling you this, I'm supposed
to be like, staked on a pole and my guts are supposed to be
ripped out of me and. Supposed to be like cast in the
ocean or something like that. And I was just like, well, all
right then. But he was telling me about how
if I did this, 'cause I I wasn't going to go into their blind.
You know, I've always had reserves about it because of the
ritualistic aspect of it. Like he told me that there were,
I was going to basically have to go strip down in front of a
whole temple full of strangers and do some stuff.
And I was just like, I'm not. I don't think that I want it
that much, you know, you're like, no, it might be cold that
day. It's always cold.
No, but like, I just. I was listening to the New York
Patriot about that, and one guy was like, I would take a blue
chew. Maybe it was.
Somebody. I guess it wasn't even that.
It's just why do I got to get naked?
You know? Like, why?
Why do I have to get naked in front of the group?
Because it's all guys. Yep.
And you know, that's it's scary. I mean the stuff that is
ritualistic is that way for a reason.
And I really believe like OK with Joseph Smith and his, his
upbringing, they served the House of a Brac and that means
they they served a Braxis, which is a demon.
And I didn't learn this until I was way old.
Like, I still don't think this is really out there much, but
his mom had a direct quote that I sent to you and it said we
have to serve the House of Abrac.
Just because we've done other like things like treasure
digging, whatever, doesn't mean we forget our service.
And she was Scottish, so it makes sense, you know, because
she was a healer as well. So I'm sure she had a background
in the Magus in these kind of different things.
So my, my whole point is is like that whole religion.
Later, after your first time, you then go back for who, the
dead? Well, Abraxas is a necromancer,
so it makes complete sense to my brain now.
But like, back then I was like just, oh, this is what we do and
that's how we do it. You know, it makes sense to you
because people are like, it didn't make sense to me.
And I was always a questioner and my grandma was just like,
it's fine it you'll get used to it.
And I'm like, I know, but that shouldn't be how it feels like.
It's kind of your end unless you become really high up in the
church. It's kind of the highest you can
go, you know? And so it's supposed to be your
best day ever. And it was not my best day.
Sucky, You know, I'm just like. Sorry, you're you're referring
to the temple, the day that. OK, yeah, that's supposed to be
like the the highlight of your life, The pinnacle.
Because you get married for time.
First thing you do is you get married for time and all
eternity, and you do that kneeling over an altar, holding
each other's hands. There's no till death do us part
stuff. The the guy just proceeds over
it. He says what he wants.
There's very few words, but the one thing they say is you'll be
married for time and all eternity.
And you look in these mirrors that face each other, which is
very occult in nature and they go on forever, Like when you can
see through it like a tunnel of mirrors, that's what they have.
You look down and I remember thinking, this just feels
creepy. Like I I didn't feel like happy
or oh, this is my what? That's your wedding day.
Like in in that church, that's your wedding.
And if you've never been married before, see, I got a regular
wedding because he was a Catholic and so we had to wait a
year and and then he became Mormon.
But other people, if you were just going to get married, your
family cannot come if they're not Mormon and they don't have
the the whole card and their temple worthy and the whole 9
yards, which means you're you're baptized into that church, that
means you've already gone through the temple for yourself.
That's a long time. You know you've got to really
put a lot of work in for all that.
And so if you don't have that, your parents can't go.
His parents couldn't go. Like when we went through that,
I mean, and and they wear the dresses that I sent you instead
of their wedding dress, and they put the wedding dress on
afterward. Or you can put the stuff over
the top of the wedding dress. But by that time, you got a lot
of stuff on, you know, then you got your garments, the dress,
then the robe, then the apron, all this stuff on top.
And that apron, One of my guys that I just interviewed not too
long ago, he was like, the part that really got me was when
you're in the temple ceremony, 'cause it's like a creation
ceremony and God's creating the earth.
And and they're like, talking to angels.
And the angels are like, let's go visit Adam.
Is he OK? Blah, blah, blah.
And then so in the Lone world, he's calling out to God and he's
at an altar and and he used to say, they used to say Pele L,
which means, oh, hear me, false God.
But too many people started learning what it meant.
And so now it's just, oh God, hear the words of my mouth.
But who shows up after he says that at an altar is Lucifer, and
Lucifer is the God of this world, as we know.
And he shows up with an apron, that green fig leaf apron that
they wear. And he says, you better put this
on because God's going to know you're naked.
And so he gives the apron to us. And then the whole, the whole
congregation stands up and they're like, please put on your
apron. Why are we doing what the hell
The devil says. That doesn't even make any
sense. Like what?
Why are we doing something like representing?
Oh, Lucifer brought you an apron.
So let's stand up and put it on, you know, And the aprons used to
look creepy. I sent you what Joseph Smith's
look like. And it was Masonic.
And my grandma. My great grandma.
So great. Yeah, great Grandma.
She's gone now. But she told me those aprons
were so much better, They were so much prettier.
And then they changed to the fig Leafs later.
And she's like because they got a lot of pushback, 'cause
there's occult stuff on them, There's like stars and moons and
weird stuff on there. And I'm like, yeah, that's
weird. I don't know, Like the more I
knew, the more I wished I hadn't known back then.
But now I'm grateful, you know? But it just made me question.
And you have to remember like I lost my whole family after this
happened. Like, except for my mom, I I've
never had a good relationship with my in laws.
Because of this. I've never had, you know, felt
accepted by them. My own grandma, who raised me
after the courts took us, she raised me and she came after me
saying that I beat my kids. She brought CPS into it.
She filed actual charges. She took me to court.
And when she couldn't take my kids away, she sued me for like
money and and my whole family thinks I'm a thief and like a
bad person and that I beat my kids.
So yeah, that's how bad it gets. You don't just leave unscathed.
You don't just get a go now. And everybody knows, like,
everybody's like, oh, you know, you know what she did?
Even even if you slip. And like, I have cousins that
have slipped and, like, became drunks and stuff later or got
into drugs later, as long as they didn't do what I do and say
it's not true. They're fine.
Like the church doesn't like it. But the family didn't throw them
out, you know, The family's like, oh, he's just going
through a hard time. He'll be back.
It's fine, you know. But if you speak out and you're
like, no, I'm done. I'm.
I'm not doing that anymore. It's crap.
I don't like it. Then they come after you.
So I don't know if every family would, but that's what happened
to me. Yeah, it wasn't fun.
It wasn't fun at all. They said my grandma was like,
well, and the only reason why CPS didn't happen was because my
daughter was 17, and they knew she was close to 18.
And they said they could tell there was some fishy about it.
And the CPS lady said, OK, well, I'm going to put you on the
stand and you're close to 18, and I will perjure you if you
are lying. And my daughter was like, I
don't even know what she wrote on that paper.
My grandma wrote it. They were like, what?
So they dropped the whole case. But still, I had to go through
all of that. I mean, I was pregnant at the
time with our last baby and it was brutal.
Brutal. It was bad and it was all
because she heard that. I was listening to that Bishop,
Earl guy and whatnot on in my own bedroom on my laptop and
they were like, you're listening to anti Mormon propaganda and I
am. So is it safe to say that
there's really no separation of church and state in There's
none. No, there's not.
It's so. It's so controlled.
And when the thing from 2020 that will never go away
happened, the church came out and told everyone, all of their
people, that they should all go and get their kids done and get
themselves done for the cure, the cure to be safe.
And they pushed it on their whole everybody.
And I was sick when I heard that.
Because number one, there should never be anybody between you and
your health except a doctor, probably.
You know you. You need to decide what's best
for yourself in general, but also with what happened with the
side effects and everything later.
I and and they just don't even care.
I mean, they'll push it again when the next.
They're about to. They will.
The Church will. Stand put that on a sideburner
now that we're about to have World War Three with Israel.
I saw that my husband didn't know what the heck I was.
I was like, you know, this is like part of the prophecy of the
end of the world, right? And he's.
Like what we just gave Iran $6 billion and Iran.
Gave Hamas all these weapons that we left in Afghanistan and
it's just crazy. It's going to be bad.
It's going. To And we don't even need to be
worried about Israel. They are not our friends, but
they they always have been tied to America and America always
stands with. Israel because they've always
controlled us, yeah. And the the because the Jesuits,
they're all Jesuits. But yeah, yeah, I think that
there's a lot more going on than meets the eye there.
But I know this for a fact. I know that everybody should be
noticing the signs of the times. And if you're not saved and you
don't believe in in the Bible and Jesus, you better get that
way real fast. Like you don't have to do
anything I say. But I'm here to tell you right
now, like the earthquake that happened in Afghanistan, the
wars that are breaking out, everything that's going on.
Like, if you really aren't familiar with the signs and
times of Noah, like maybe you should get that way, 'cause
we're about there, you know, in the days of Noah will be just
like that. And it's gotten nothing but
worse, You know, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't definitely
doesn't seem to be getting any better.
Oh, no, I don't think it will. And even with the next election,
people have their faith and I'm like, are you guys ridiculous?
Like they're going to put whoever the hell they want.
It doesn't matter what we vote. It's selected, not elected.
And that's just the truth. Like they're going to do what
they want. Why have you chosen to remain in
Utah? We're stuck here.
I would love to actually go, but we have adult children that are
all pretty planted and we have grandkids and.
So did your children prescribed to the kool-aid over there or
they? No, no.
Luckily. They're spared from the the
shame that you got because I'm assuming they never made it
through the temple, right? Nope, they never have.
Looked at under the same lens as you.
They're still in their eyes or in their world.
Saveable, yes. And they treat them very
different. Like if you want to go with some
of the family, like treats them normal.
Even though I would say I have, I mean I can be crass at times.
I'm really a loudmouth. Like I just say what I think,
but like not loudmouth as in just obnoxiously loud for no
reason. But if I have a a feeling
awesome, I'm just going to say it, you know?
And I don't sugarcoat anything because a sugar coated dog turd
is still dog turd. So I just skip that because I'm
not about that, you know? But my daughter's almost worse
than me in that respect. And they they just love her.
They think she's great. Like, same with my husband.
There's no shame on him. It's mostly me.
And he feels bad about it. I mean, don't misunderstand.
He feels, he feels sad that it's like it is.
They don't do anything outwardly per SE anymore because I have no
contact with my family, and other than the ones that are
out, I only have my mom, who's here.
Another reason. And then I my brother died and
so did my dad, so I didn't. I don't really have anybody
else. All the extended family has
pretty much written me off and they think I'm a thief and a bad
person and his family never really got close with me.
And it was awkward, you know, from the get go, 'cause they
knew all that. So they're not mean to me.
They just, I think they have a certain opinion.
And I mean, I I can't change that.
You know, if they see my podcast, which I always last
time she asked, she was like his, His mom's really, really,
really religious. And she's like, oh, so what's
the name of your podcast? And I'm like, oh, they swear a
lot on there. The people I interview, you
wouldn't like it. She's like, yeah, I wouldn't
like that. Oh, thank goodness.
I'm like, oh boy, because otherwise I mean, but eventually
somebody somewhere is going to see it.
I mean, it gets out and I just, whatever it is, what it is,
like, what can you do? I'd rather save the people that
are worth saving than try and change people's minds.
Same thing with the other situation that we went through
in 2020. Like we pushed it so hard trying
to help them. I'm like a nurse.
I'm reading JAMA studies. I'm talking to you.
I'm telling you what I'm learning.
Like I'm telling you the things I'm hearing.
I'm telling you all this stuff and you're still not listening
to me. And it was like battling.
And finally I just said to my husband, let them do what
they're going to do because it's you're you're preaching to
somebody that's not going to change their mind.
And same thing for the church. They're not going to be the ones
that change their mind. But maybe I can help somebody
else, you know, God spared me for a lot of reasons.
I think it both in near death experiences and in this whole
situation. And I'm so grateful that I feel
like I have to speak it like some people don't.
It would be easy for me to not. I never wanted to do podcasting.
I never knew how to do this like it would be.
It was so weird. That's what I was thinking, you
know, for you to have gone through all of this and to
continually put yourself through it on top of remaining in Utah
like it, it seems like not too many people are going to choose
the least. He's the path to live, you know,
like it. Surely it can't be.
I mean, because there's got to be no escape from it like so.
Are there other? Like, are there Catholic
churches, Baptist churches? Are there other denominations of
Christianity in Utah? Or is it kind of, I mean, I know
it's predominantly a Mormon state, but like it's be it's,
it's changed leaps and bounds. So in the small, I'm in a not
small city, but like not a big city either.
It's kind of in the middle and we do have a non denominational
Christian Church. Now we do have a Catholic Church
and I remember when it went up because they put it right by a
Mormon church and it just ticked all the Mormons off.
But they have a church on every corner.
You you know it literally there is a church almost.
It's a joke, but it's real. Almost every block we have ALDS
church and now what they're doing, oh they're so sneaky.
It bothers me. My husband showed me on the
maps. Oh, look, it's little friend.
My husband showed me on the maps and you know, the the Mormon
churches used to be shown with the Angel Moroni blowing the
trumpet. And then the Christian churches
or Catholic churches or Baptist churches were shown with a cross
because Mormons don't like the cross.
They'll never wear a cross and they don't like the cross.
And so my husband went on the little map thing the other day
and he's like, you know, they changed them all to crosses.
And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, all the LDS
churches now or have crosses on them on Google Maps.
And I was like, that is so not OK because they're probably
getting people that have no clue.
And then they're already in it. And like I said, it's great
until you go to a certain level. And I guess if you really buy
the kool-aid and you're a person that's like, yeah, I think this
is great no matter what, they probably are really happy with
their decision and doing all that stuff.
But like, they're not going to go learn anything, you know, So
they're welcoming, they're helpful now, they're leading
probably people to the church that were just regular
Christians looking for a normal Christian Church, so.
Are there are there like for every physical separate church
building? Is there a a a a temple?
For that church building, there's they do it by the
population. So like in the city I live in,
there was never a temple here. We had to go to Ogden.
Ogden's a little closer. Like there's Salt Lake and then
there's like Davis County and then there's Ogden, which is
Weber County. So in Salt Lake County, they had
the big temple that's been there forever since Brigham Young and
all that then. And it started.
They started popping up everywhere.
There's all these little towns about every 15 miles.
And now they have one halfway through to my town.
They have one in my town. They have one in Ogden, which is
10 miles away. They have one in Logan.
I mean, they they have them just, it's all dependent on
population. So if you have a certain amount
of population, they'll build a temple there.
And actually they built it right down from my grandma's old
house. She would have been so happy if
she were still alive. Oh, I wasn't.
I wasn't at all. I was like, oh, but.
Yeah, Ogden's a big deal in Hell on Wheels.
You'll oh Ogden. Yeah.
And Ogden had a temple there, and they're redoing all of them
right now, which there's a complete grid system underground
in Salt Lake and I believe in Ogden as well, which is.
Where the transcontinental railroad came to completion.
I think it was infernal, but I don't know for sure like
Promontory Point or no. Yeah, but it's all close by and
there is a big rail station that has like all kinds of old
fashioned stuff at the Ogden rail station.
But it it's wild to me how much like it's changed.
The temple used to be like in only in big cities, bigger
cities. Now they're making all of them
like pop up everywhere. And they, I mean because they
know they are big preppers, I will say that they have a really
good basis for like end of the world type prepping.
They'd really push that. So I'm assuming it's going by
the signs of the times that they're building more and more
temples, you know, but I don't know for sure.
I'm not in anymore, but I know they're everywhere now and they
didn't used to be. They're popping up and you can't
go in there. Like if you tried to go in
there, like they would arrest you, like you can't go in there.
You can visit the temple grounds and they decorate them really
pretty at Christmas, but you cannot go to the temple and it's
surrounded by gates and everything.
You can't fake it either. Everything's not.
They're not dumb. They got digital now.
Everything's digital. You can't mess around.
You won't get in there, only people.
The only people that have gotten in there to help like break this
all open is people that stayed, members that didn't believe in
it and they were like those Google Glasses and they like
recorded the whole thing. That's where some of those
pictures came from that I sent you is from people that went
undercover. That's how bad you got to do it.
You got to like become it like and it takes at least a year and
a half so. So if I were to just pop up.
To the to the church and say, hey, I want to join your church.
It would take me about a year and a half to book to.
I'm even even thought about getting to the temple part of
That's crazy because you have to be a member for a full year, and
then so whatever date you got baptized, then after that year,
they have to go through and make sure you're doing everything
you're supposed to. So you're supposed to be, and
their rules are. Some of their rules are good.
They're supposed to be. Re baptized under their thing to
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
They don't baptize people to God.
That's exactly the words they say.
You are now baptized as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints. They don't baptize you to
baptize you to God. See, I could.
I feel like I should get a past because I was baptized in the
Church of Christ. We just don't have of the Latter
Day Saints. I mean, I figure we're all
Latter Day Saints, ain't we? They don't.
They don't think that they're. They're no.
And it's all like recorded, like it's all digitalized and they
know everything, like, and to get your name off of the
records, like, if you don't want to do this anymore and you want
to be done, you can't just call up and be like, I want my name
taken off. No, you got to go through, you
got to sign like an affidavit. You got to go through a whole
big thing. And they still count all those
people as people in the church, like people like me, that I I'm
not going to take the time, 'cause I figure eventually
they're going to catch wind of my podcast and they'll
excommunicate me and then it won't take so long.
That's what I would. Let it be their problem.
Yeah, I'm like. They'll expedite the process for
you? Yeah, 'cause then.
Otherwise they're going to fight me on it.
So I'm like, I'm not going to fight them on it.
What? Do you mean they're going to
fight you? That they try to make you go to
a Bishop's appointment and they make you, like, come in and talk
with them? And I'm.
I'm not doing that. Yeah, I'm not doing it.
So I'm like, you know what? You guys can just find out on
your own and kick me out, 'cause that sounds a whole lot easier.
That's so insane. So, so as of right now they just
think that like you just like dipped out?
She's AWOL. Yeah, yeah.
But they know. And they send the missionaries
sometimes, and I tell them straight to their face.
So I'm shocked. I haven't been, like, kicked out
yet because when the missionaries show up, I'm like,
I'm an apostate. I don't believe in it and I
don't. I don't like an apostate means
like I'm against you. Yeah.
But like, would that be like telling, telling Ronald Weasley,
hey, I, I, I'm a Death Eater? That level of like, are they
just like, filled with dread or is it like they're?
Immediate need to just save you on this fight.
Probably some saving because they're actually out in the
mission field to save people. But I've told them before, I'm
like, don't come at me with your stuff.
I'm like, you're nice and I'll let you use my bathroom, but
don't come at me with your crap. Like, I know everything.
And my husband sometimes will mess with them because he's,
he's naughty. He'll be like, they'll be like,
can we share a word with you today?
And he's like, can I share a word from the Bible with you
today? And they're like, yeah.
And so he'll like, give them the Bible verse.
And they're like, I've never heard that one before.
And I was laughing because I I was like one of the main ones.
I can't remember. And I was like, what?
And he's like, yeah, they never heard it before.
And he cracks me up. I won't do it.
I don't like playing the game. Game.
I'm not rude, but I'm like I'm an apostate.
You can't teach me anything. I know everything that there was
to know. I did it all and I am saying
it's completely evil and they just look at me like I'm going
straight to hell. So.
So what would what would your advice be to anybody that that
might encounter A missionary or two knocking on their door?
They don't. You know, they could be from
whatever background, but they don't.
They don't want to talk to them, they don't want to let them in,
but they don't want to just be rude.
What what do you suggest do do remember that those people are
like children. They're either 18 or 19 or they
only go till they're 21 or 22 Max.
So be kind. If they get enough door slammed
in their face, I'm still a Christian at the end of the day.
Like the one girl the last time she was like, I really got to go
to the bathroom and I'm like, oh, I would never make somebody
not go to, like, you can use my bathroom.
Like what? Like, that's fine.
You know I just don't want to hear your message and if you
need something or if I can help you with something, great
because maybe I'll be the one Christian they remember didn't
do that. Like I'm I'm always hopeful to
help people out. Just like we can't be, we always
have to be shepherds, too, you know, we're we're fighting a
battle against something that they don't even understand
because they've probably been, like I was my whole life,
indoctrinated since you were born, and we can't blame them,
you know? So a lot of times I would, I
would just say there's going to be nothing.
I don't want to hear, like your full message.
I think it's great you think that this is something you're
convicted to do. You should really put the time
into reading the Bible. I would always encourage people
just 'cause they don't, they don't read the Bible, and I
don't think they get it enough. And that's why my husband does
that. He also is a smart aleck and
he's also a redhead. And they're full of it.
But. I think that's a good point
though that you make because like if they if you still treat
them like with respect as like a human being and again like
you're being a good Christian and maybe even you mentioned
like you know I'm I'm a Christian.
I'm you know you're more than welcome to use my bathroom.
Can I get you some water? Can I get you know, send you on
your way with something, whatever the case may be, but
later on down the road if they end up.
Like you and they start realizing like this is not the
way to go. They'll probably remember you
and be like you know that Lady was very, very very kind to me.
Super nice and and. Not, not everybody's just going
to throw you out on their tail like a like a salesman, you
know? And that's my big thing, is the
whole reason why I started this podcast, which I didn't start
this podcast. I went on a show with Josh
Monday and then I went on two more shows with Josh Monday and
after that. And he was like, you know,
people listen to you a lot. You probably should share your
stuff because that Mormon show got a lot of hits.
He's like, I'm talking like 5000 hits or some crazy number.
And I was like, what? And then he was like, you should
probably just think about it. And I I was like, you got to be
crazy. Like, I I I didn't even want to
go on the show because I'm a nurse and I'm just this.
I was very normie until 2020 and I didn't really feel like my
stuff was like important to share, I guess like I did the
well. But when you're going, when
you're like a normal person, you're like, no, nobody's going
to listen to you, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know. And then the more people that
I've talked to, they're like, no, this is crazy.
Like, no, nobody talks about this.
You should talk about it. And so I felt convicted to do
it. I prayed a lot about it.
I didn't just snap into it real fast and silly.
Like, I prayed so much about it because I'm like, OK, is this
going to help people? Because ultimately that's all I
care about. Like, is this going to help
people or not? And I felt so strong about it
that I was like, OK, I guess we're going to do this.
Like, I never thought I'm. I've never wanted to be.
I never thought I'd be. I just, I was like, OK, I guess
we're doing this. Well I can honestly say I've
never turned on a show that you were on and have been bored or
disappointed with the show because you it's just I didn't
want to bring you on here and then talk to you about the exact
same thing that you go and you talk to on Sunday night or you
go and talk to on Red Pill cartel or wherever else you show
up. I I I'm really glad that you
sent me the pictures that you did ahead of time and.
Actually had something you wanted to because I didn't know
what we were going to talk. I mean I didn't know what we
were going to do. And I was this has been amazing
because I've never heard anything.
You know it the way that you have shown the parallels between
Masonic, you know rituals and Mormon rituals.
Like there for a minute if you don't have a background history
of. You know the Mormon faith that
the blinds get blurred there. For a minute I was like, wait,
are we still talking about Mormons?
Or are we talking about you're like?
Masons again? Like, I don't know.
I don't know what to do with my hands over well and the Mason
shakes. Like, we didn't even get into
that, those those handshakes, Joseph Smith made them into that
they're actually the signs. And so he changed them.
So like the sure sign of the lion's paw, he changed to the
sure sign of the nail. So he made them.
He just tweaked it just a little bit.
But it's the same exact sign and.
Are there different grips with the different levels of what do
you what do you call them? A level ascension?
You have to know these ascension.
So to pass, they believe that the veil is guarded by angels,
Sentinels that know these handshakes, and they are
identical to the Mormon handshakes that we get.
And then we have a guy that puts his hand through this little
curtain and you have to do the handshake with him, and then you
do it again and again to the other handshake.
And then if you don't know those or the name of it, then you
can't pass by into fake heaven. So, like, at the end, the whole
thing is like a play to get to heaven so that you do it over
and over and over so you know those signs and symbols when you
die, and then they give you a new name.
And my name I told to my husband my name was Abigail, which I
shouldn't tell anyone. But this is all.
I refuse to hold secrets. Like a lot of Mormons like
Mormon Stories in the Mormon Podcast, they they say we're not
going to talk about it because of of respect.
And I understand their position. My position is I will refuse to
keep anything in the dark because I'm helping people into
the light. I'm not going to keep things in
the dark that are crap because God put me here and This is why
and and that's what I'm doing. So if I don't come out with it,
then I don't even need to be here.
Like, I mean, you know, entertaining or not, I'm trying
to save people's souls from like, necromancy and weirdo
stuff. So anyway, you give your name to
your husband, he he will go through the veil.
He gives the little signs and the handshakes to the guy.
He goes through the veil and they ask him his name and that
that guy's God, Fake God behind the veil.
And so he gets pulled through. And guess who calls my name?
Not God? My husband, because he is my
God, right? And so and I'm not like one of
those women that are not like, I believe in the Bible and I
believe the man should still be the head of the household.
And in a lot of ways. But like, we still do everything
together. Like he's the head in a certain
way, like biblically or if there's a major decision and we
really differ on it, OK. But he's always going to listen
to me because he loves me like Christ loves the church.
So he loves me enough to know that if I feel strongly, I'm
going to be not happy. So we make every decision
together, which people make this so weird and they're like, well,
you have to bow to your husband and you have to bow to
patriarchy. And it's not.
It's not that in the Mormon Church, it is that though they
do put that over on their wives and they say I'm the priesthood
holder, your 12 year old son has more authority than you do.
Yeah, No. Fuck that.
Yep. Your 12 year old, any boy that
has the priesthood, he has more than I have.
And so at 12 years old they get their first stuff and he has
more than I got. And so if I'm sick and I need a
blessing where by the way they're real loosey goosey on
the laying on of hands, which in the Bible it says be real, real
careful about laying on of hands.
You don't just want to throw that around.
They do that when you're sick. They do that when you're you
know need help with something. They do it all the time and then
they give you a special blessing.
I've I haven't mentioned this in other ones.
I don't think they get they have a patriarch in your in your
church and they give you a prophesying blessing and tell
you what tribe of of whatever you're from like all the Mormons
are from the tribe of Ephraim. So, like, but if you were brown,
I bet you'd be like the tribe of, you know, Lehigh because he
was darker. Whatever.
You know what I mean? So they tell you what one of the
12 tribes you're from and they give you this blessing on your
life. And they say, like, you'll go
on, you'll have kids, you'll do this, you'll do that.
Like it's fortune telling almost.
And they anoint you with oil to do this.
And it's like super private and I can't find mine.
I looked everywhere 'cause I was like, I'm bust this out.
Maybe I should get a copy before they throw my ass to the curb.
But because they'll send it to me, but I'm like, you know, that
seems so weird, like when it says all over the Bible, you're
not supposed to do future telling stuff like that.
So why are why are they doing that?
You know they put this blessing on kids when they're like 16 and
you're talking about their whole future and how you should be
strong in the church and strong in the.
And a lot of it's basic, I'm sure just like my special name.
I thought my name was super freaking cool.
I was like, Oh yeah, I got this cool name And then I'm like,
what if you forget your name? And then I'm, I talked to my
grandma and she's like, oh, don't worry, you just call and
tell the temple what day you went through and they'll know
what your name is. I'm like why she's like, cuz all
of them got the same name that day.
I'm like, oh, OK. That is so crazy.
It's almost like a way to keep tabs on you.
Yep. And well, the Masons, Masons get
new names when they go through. So it it's very You should talk.
You should show your Mason friend like this episode and a
couple of my episodes and just see his face and be like,
because a lot of the Masons I've talked to are like, what?
Like they're just blown away. You should.
I think you should link up with Thomas from The Paranoid
American All right. Yeah, 'cause.
He's an, he's an active, I believe.
Oh, so he'll know. He's an active Mason.
Is, is he? Oh, wow.
He's he's a practicing Mason, so he'll know.
He'll know the stuff. That'd be amazing because I
haven't been able to be on with one.
I've talked to one, but they're like, this stuff is secret.
I'm not, I'm not going to go on in your show and I'm like, OK
and the OTO stuff, I looked out and found out because Patriot
went on. So I'd love to link up with
somebody on the Mason side because he was an OTO member.
He was, it was more crawly stuff, but it was still similar.
And I'm like, how come we're doing devil worship stuff in
there? Like what?
Who knows, I might get the wild hair up my ass and I might go
join. My local just to just to and I'm
too old to care about that now this was this was you know 10
almost you know dozen years ago when I was young and.
Still cared about what other people thought.
Now, if some old man wants to look at my crusty ass, he's more
than welcome. I've seen so many naked people.
I think if I ever saw something like that, I would walk in and
be like, oh, they're not dressed.
What 'cause I'm a nurse. I like that kind of party.
Yeah. I've seen more naked people than
I can count. My kids are always laughing
about that. I'm like, I don't care if
somebody showed up streaking. I'd laugh.
Yeah, do it. That would be awesome.
That would be the best. Because I guarantee you ain't
nobody around here listening to me talk on a podcast.
Just a second. Oh man, this I'm just.
Mind blown. Truly just.
I'm just thinking about everything she's, she's said
since we started and I'm just wow guys there.
Yes, ma'am. Yeah, that's a lot.
Every once in a while, every once in a while, my earphones
like to play this game that they aren't connected anymore and I
have no idea why it doesn't. So.
You hook up your earbuds, just you Bluetooth them to your
computer. Uh Oh no.
I'm losing sound. What?
I mean, that's what I do. Hold on.
Bluetooth, One of my earbuds to the laptop.
See, I when my my brother built me this computer, but I don't
think he put in a like a Bluetooth transmitter or
receiver or else I would be doing the exact same thing.
But I might have, I might have a fix to that.
So I want to. Well, I was using some
headphones, but the the the headphone Jack on the laptop
just shitted out on me one day. So I had no choice but to use
Bluetooth. Yeah, that's smart.
My I hang my headphones right over my little boom right here
and my cats fucking play with it at night.
Bro, I thought that when that happened, I thought that I
thought the show was going to be done for a while until I could
buy a new laptop. Because, you know, I didn't.
It took me like AI had to sit there and really put my CRO
Magnum and thinking cap on and. Scratch around for a minute and
I was like, how dumbass? OK, I need a Bluetooth receiver.
What were you saying? I need a what?
What? A Bluetooth receiver.
Oh yeah, yeah, sorry. You you.
I think you lot you lost hearing us.
But yeah, no, I'm. I need to get a Bluetooth
receiver. I have one that I use when I
used to game, I would plug it into so I can connect my
controller to my laptop. So I think I might be able to
use that to make it work. Work but but my PC doesn't have
a. It was built by my brother so it
doesn't have a Bluetooth like transmitter so.
Dude, I bet there's a way you could buy buy something like you
could put it into a USB port. Yep, that's all.
That's all it takes. That's all it takes.
I have. I have one, It's an Xbox One,
but I still think it would work. I actually have two of them,
just in case one of them takes a shit.
But I'm gonna give that a try cuz.
But I do. I like this better, like I was
using like the big. When I first started, like the
big old honky headphones and you know, that was cool.
But I always have issues with the cords and I think
bluetooth's just the way to go. Yeah.
Keep it simple, yeah, that was some good shit.
I'm about a month out from getting my Christmas bonus, so
I'm hopefully going to be getting a new computer, so I'm
looking forward to that. My computer's new, but boy, this
is being naughty right now. I'm thinking for are you using
a? I keep losing hearing.
Are you? One thing that I was thinking
of, Hank, is that when I get my taxes back, I really, there's a
lot of things I've been like, should we get like a Nikon
P-1000, like? All this stuff but I'm.
I'm thinking, I'm thinking like an iPad would be dope because
you can do all your podcasting. Especially the newer iPads are
bad ass because. If I had it set up and if I move
over here, it'll automatically the camera will automatically
find me. Oh really?
If that makes sense, yeah, it's pretty fucking cool.
I remember Catalyst saying went back when I first met him.
He was saying he did his pod from a from a laptop or a.
IPad. MacBook.
Yeah, Yep, Yep, we shall see. Heidi, can you hear?
I might get a minute. I don't know what's going on.
I'm. I'm waiting for it to behave
itself. I'm hoping it will.
I'm so sorry. No, you're fine.
It's You are completely fine being crazy.
I've never had it be this bad. Like it's always.
It's always worked after I reset it, but of course if something
can't go wrong, it will go wrong 'cause we were on fire for a
minute. Hey, Heidi, if it makes you feel
any better, that's how it goes, right?
That's that Mormon FBI agent getting mad at you and messing
with you, all right? Yeah, no kidding.
We were talking about demons there.
I think we were just about at the end anyways.
We were doing. Hank and I did a show with.
Troubles from Paranoid Radio. He's also someone you should
reach out to. And we were in the middle of
recording, everything was going great and then I get a little
thing on my Zoom saying I have 5 minutes left and I'm like what
the fuck? So I go, I go to pay my bill and
I owe Zoom like over 200 bucks and I I'm not fucking going to
pay it. How?
Do you know Zoom? Because what what had happened
was, is. I kept like when I fired up
Zoom, I would get these little things saying hey failed to
process payment. So I'm like what the fuck?
So I would go into the settings and it says that my subscription
is still active. So what it did was for 10 months
it was allowing me to keep going without paying and.
That's their fault. And then I know.
And I I couldn't figure out because I'm I'm looking at my
bank. I'm like, I'm not seeing the
1499 come out every month. I don't know what's going on.
And Long story short, yeah, it all caught up to me.
So now I now I use Stream yard because I'm.
Not paying. The two I'm not paying that
$200.00. It's not happening.
Yeah, I would just I was going to ask you why you switched
because I I do zoom but I don't, I don't love some of the ways it
is a little difficult sometimes especially to add your intro
like when you're going on to add intro or whatever and I might
just change it so it dips right in like how you guys do like the
intro to the show at the beginning.
I I have like a little video thing, but I'm not in love with
it that much. It drives me crazy sometimes.
Well, I like stream yards. I want to start doing like
monthly. I want to do like one monthly
show live. So it'll be it'll be streamed on
like Twitch and and wherever else.
So I think that'd be that's kind of one of the reasons why I'm
I'm using it and it's I'm still paying.
I think I paid. I think I'm paying 20 bucks a
month for it. But you can do so much like
crazy shit. But then again you have to look
at I don't even know how to do this.
You have to look at how many people are watching your podcast
or how many people are listening.
Because if most people listen and for Hank, Hank just does
audio, which is totally fine. So it doesn't matter the
platform, you might as well go with the cheapest route, right?
You know, but with the zoom. With the zoom, you can upload it
to Spotify, but then Spotify won't let you do ads until you
get to some ungodly amount of listeners.
Like in a month? No, you just got to have 100
listens a month. Oh really?
And and I'm I don't even, I don't even have 100 followers
and I'm able to do ads. We've actually been slacking the
last two months. I need to actually, after we get
done recording, I'm probably going to record the ad read so
that we can. Because we made like one month,
we made a whopping like 50-8 cents, right?
It's not a money builder, but it's for sure to like offset.
Like I I went in to try and do it and I had like hundreds of
listens in like a month and and they were like, no, you don't
qualify for ambassador ads, blah blah blah.
I. Think you have to wait?
It has to be. Like consecutive months.
Or so. It's weird, It's weird.
But you I guarantee you right now, like I can almost guarantee
you, that you have it 'cause you you got more than I do for sure
it. Was weird.
I don't. I don't know how I would even go
about adding a audio to my show because I use.
Or adding visual to the show because I just use the audio
software audio editing software. That's how I build my show.
I'll let, I'll let this. Download from Zoom and then I'll
run it through a converter program and then I could put it
into this other program and put my intro in and mess with the
audio and then put my outro on it and send it out.
But I don't think the only intro, yeah the only thing that
is ever a problem is the freaking intro.
Like otherwise you can drag it, it's a drag and drop for the
video, you just take it and pop it in there.
But then you got the intro problem.
Like today, when I'm releasing today, it's not going to have my
intro on it because of this very reason.
I'm like fine, whatever we can do as a shortcut.
We can do on a future. On a future day we can do a a
zoom meeting and I'll share my screen and I'll show you how to
easily do an like it is. Freaking easy.
Yeah 'cause I'm having issues with it and I'm like, this is so
stupid. Like, people send me files and
sometimes it'll be from stream yard or wherever.
And like it came as an MP4, but it came as a shortcut and so
that that and I could have contacted and gone through that
and I didn't want to like bother them, you know what I mean?
It's kind of like you don't want to make it their problem, you
know what I'm saying? Cause a lot of my podcasts right
now are like share podcasts, because I literally can't do
anymore, 'cause I'm doing 2 a week since I started shows.
And that's a lot for me because I work and have the kids.
I don't know. I know Kyles.
Crazy he does. I don't know how many.
You're doing me and Kyle kind of got our plates full because I
try to do 2 episodes a week just on the on my 643 and then me and
Kyle have holistic roots. And we try to get a show win at
least once a week, and then he's got Sunday night.
And I feel bad because Kyle's always there for me.
Whenever I need Kyle to jump on, he's always there for me.
But I'm never able to be there for him because he wants to
start it like night time for him.
And by the time that he starts, like I've got like 30 minutes
till my wife says we're going to bed.
And when the warden says it's time to go, night, night.
You go night time. You don't want to miss.
You don't want to miss night time.
Mr. Mr. Freeze's daughter as he. Yeah, I I might.
I might end up having to sleep on the couch or something.
She'll take up the whole bed. Oh no.
Oh dude, I'm freezing right now, dude.
Like, it's not even 70 degrees outside.
She's still got the air conditioner on.
If it was just me in here, I wouldn't have the air on.
I wouldn't have no fan on. But no, we got to have it all
going. Mr. Freeze, you guys are doing a
lot of shows, then a week. Holy crap, we're.
We don't always hit our marks, but yeah, that's why I noticed
you don't put out like this is out now.
You just let him out. I'm like, holy cow.
Kyle's like ripping him out there.
Well, I so I I kind of dude, I've been slacking, man.
Like I have been doing shows, but like as soon as I'm done,
especially if I'm doing like a night show, as soon as it's done
recording or in in in the files upload, I put my headphones on
and I'm done. And then I'll do that like three
or four times and I'm like, fuck, I haven't even put any of
these episodes out. So just the other day when I
went in and corrected that your name changed, I was like, I'm
already fucking sitting down, dude.
I might as well just start cranking them out.
So I have another one I just did with Legit Bath.
That was fucking awesome. That'll be coming out here in a
couple of days. But I like to kind of bank them
and save them because of shit happens during the week and
someone cancels or whatever. I still have a show to put out,
so it's. See, I wish I had me a couple in
my back pocket I could whip out. I have some back pocket.
But the thing about mine are all like how he was saying, I'm glad
this show didn't do that, but a lot of times they want to know
certain things and then you're doing very similar stuff for me,
'cause I'm interviewing on other people's shows, I'm not having
people on my show yet because there I have no time left.
Like, I'm, it seems like I'm doing them all the time or
trying to upload something or doing something for it.
And I'm like, I got kids, so we homeschool and all that.
Well, it's like Montessori, but they require a lot more there.
So like you have to go shop or only you have to do things.
So I'm like, oh, that's how it's going to be for now, I guess.
Oh, well, I I jump on the Taverns.
Yeah, different Tavern shows that you guys do.
You know are are they does I know you you were on on Friday,
right Hank? No, I wasn't able to make it.
No. We've been having our hot water
heaters pretty much shit the bed and between that and we we had
one kid that decided that they were going to become the devil
Incarnate this weekend and I had to work all day Saturday so I
didn't get to go hop on the Tavern.
I wanted to he he invited me on. I was wanting to be there for
for ghost return to the Tavern, but I was unable to oblige.
I'll be on there again soon though, I'm sure.
It was. It was pretty early though.
It was earlier than normal. I think It was what?
Was it? 430 your time, yeah.
See, I wouldn't have even. I would have been two 2 1/2
hours late to it anyway because I get off work at 4:30 my time.
Yeah, I I didn't get invited to the one this week.
But then Davey invited me to 1, and then I was already on the
Christian 1. The coalition withdrew.
I was like, I'm. Sorry, I've got to listen to
that one. See, I I I'm, I'm glad IA lot of
people drop stuff during the weekend that I that I follow
because by Friday I have no podcast to listen to.
I've been burnt through everything from the week and and
so it gives me a nice little Monday and Tuesday.
I'm like yeah, because I'm while I'm at work.
That's all I'm doing is listening to podcasts while I
work. That's what I do.
One ear bud, one ear. And getting on down the road.
And everybody knows just when when when you're at work with
Hank, you just got to speak up a little louder.
He can hear you. He he'll hear you.
I just tell him to give me the signal I'm.
Mine and whoever. And look at folks in their face
listening to three people talk at once.
Hey, your wife, your wife probably appreciates all that
multi. Well, no, I don't play those
games around her, she, But it teaches you to multitask other
things, so that's good. Yeah, because guys.
Sometimes, I mean, I used to be. I used to not listen to podcasts
like, but it wasn't too far, too too long before I started mine
that I even got on the podcast wagon.
Like it might have been 4-3 or four months before I started my
show that I even jumped on the train and.
I was a music guy. Like, even now there's a song
playing in the back of my head while we're having this
conversation. Like the jukebox is just always
on. And I just reached a point where
I was at work, I was like, I cannot listen to fucking music
anymore. There's only so much Pandora and
music out there. Like, I've listened to it all.
I listened to it all. So I was like, let's give
podcast a try. And then that led to.
Me being so interested in stuff that me and my original Co host
started one up. They're like, here we are.
And it's it's been about what that was April so that was
January fair and white. So that's four wearing what this
is 10, so half a year later and here we are.
Wild Ride started from recording off of our phones.
So that's how I did too, with my kids Puzzle Light.
Yeah, I was like, OK, that's my first episode with Josh.
In fact, I didn't stop recording off my phone forever.
And actually, in some respects it's easier.
I can share photos really good. Especially if you're using the
well, I imagine. You could use Zoom on your phone
too, but when we first started we were just using the Spotify
for podcasters app. We were just recording straight
from that app and then you didn't have to worry about
converting or you just hardly had Zoom.
You had you had one editing tool and that was like crop cropping
ends off of it or you could enhance the audio.
That's what it said, but there was no.
Fine tuning the audio, there was no none of the converting it
from none of that. It was just all right there on
the app and you uploaded it right there from your phone.
It was really easy. But when you do, when when
you're using the Spotify, because I still use Spotify for
podcasters to upload my shows, but doing it from the laptop,
you get so much more abilities as far as.
With the show notes and and the when you want to insert ad
breaks and all that stuff. I insert ad breaks to every
show, and I've never heard one single ad play on my show
outside of the Do you want to start a punk hand like I'll put?
Six. I'll put six or eight.
You know, I'll put 322 AD breaks, you know, 32AD AD breaks
throughout a show, depending on how long it is or whatever.
But when I listen back to it, I'd never hear them.
Like, I'm not getting paid for anything.
Like I was only getting paid for the Ambassador ad.
So I don't know. I still think I'm still missing
something, but that's what I think I'm.
I'm just always confused about how it works.
So I'm like, I don't qualify for Ambassador and I've never seen
anything else. So I was like.
I never started this to make a dime, but no but to cover the
cost it. Would be.
It'd be. It'd be nice if it paid for the
the zoom cost each month. Yeah, not even anything big,
just something small like that. I mean, and I'm not knocking on
people that are able to pay bills off of it because, I mean,
if people wanted to, you know, felt so obliged to help me pay
some rent around here or or towed this grocery bill for
these bottomless pits. Of kids of I have.
But you know, I I wouldn't complain.
But that's not why we started this.
No, no, I don't think that's why anybody does it.
That stays in it anyway. There's only a few elite people
that get that many ways that you're making big money.
I think people think it's a lot different than what it really
is. You know?
It's kind of funny. All right, well, my kids are
jumping on me. They're saying let's.
Do let's go we're before. We wrap this up.
Why don't you let everybody know where they can find you?
Miss Heidi? Yes, I am at Unfiltered Rise and
I'm everywhere where any of the podcasts are serviced.
Apple, Spotify, all the other ones as well.
And I'm at unfilteredrise@gmail.com.
If you have a story you'd like to share with me, I'm on
Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. I think I've covered them all at
this point. Yeah.
Thank you enough for coming on today.
You have just. I'm going to be dwelling on what
you dropped today for a few days.
Like I'm probably, it'll probably be Thursday and I'll
text Kyle and be like, dude, think about this and it'll be
something that we talked about today.
Like, you have blown my mind. Like, I'm really going to start
doing some deep, deep diving into it just for myself if you
haven't listened to the two Josh Monday episodes.
Because it breaks it down with pictures like what they're doing
in each photo. So it's kind of nice to, like,
put it with each thing, because back then I wasn't, and now I
just do it, 'cause I know. But back then I was real scared.
So I was very regimented. Well, I thoroughly enjoyed
everything that you brought for us today and you have a open
invitation. Anytime you want to come back
on, you're more than welcome. Awesome.
Well, I definitely will probably be taking you up on that.
So I appreciate it. And Kyle too.
Hopefully I'll be seeing you on another one.
Absolutely. Brother, let them know where
you're at. Let me know, yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah. Sunday night.
We're at Sunday night. Come check us out.
We're everywhere. Holistic roots, come check us
out. Stay fly.
Stay blessed, you know. Holistic Holistic Route Discord
server. Berlin.
Yeah. Yeah, We're going to do that.
Yeah. Yeah, actually.
I might even do. That today?
Yep. I might even do that tonight.
That's a good idea. So we'll be, we'll be spreading
that around. Because I almost set it up
yesterday after work. I was bored and I was like, Nah,
I better get better. Give a call.
Hey, either or man. Either or either or.
This is, this is a. Anyhow, I don't know what I was
going to say. It's like, yeah, it'll be fun.
It'll be fun. And then even a ID.
If you ever want to hop on there and talk some holistic stuff,
that'd be dope. Yeah, absolutely.
That sounds good to me. All right.
Well, thank you. Yeah, brother.
Thank you. Yeah brother, I'm thank you for
coming on with me, holding it down.
Like I said, you might as well be a permanent Co host of the
show at this point. I'll take it.
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, we thank y'all for sticking with us to
this point of the episode. We love y'all and as always,
we'll catch y'all next time.