1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,960 Murder. Mayhem. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Mormons. Why not? 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,040 You know me and my favorite subject, but let's make it a 4 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:11,200 little dicier. Literally. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,320 I found another Exmo and we are together collaborating to make 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,120 bloody tales just for you. Blood Atonement, a new series 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,720 from Unfiltered Rise and Hellfire Agency where we take 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,680 you down that murderous path. You're not gonna wanna miss it. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,240 We'll see you there. Ladies. 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:49,480 And gentlemen, hello again, and welcome to another episode of 11 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,600 The Unfiltered Rise. And today I have with me a 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,800 firecracker of a guest, Jacob Isbell, disciple of Christ 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Channel. And how are you today? 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,240 I'm doing quite well. Speaking of unfiltered, I have 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,480 my unfiltered apple cider vinegar inside of my Mason jar 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,360 spring water from the North Ogden spring. 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,760 So just for the unfiltered occasion. 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,200 Thank you. Yummy, I hope it's not gritty. 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,080 Is it good? No. 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,520 It is. It is a little bit of apple 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,880 cider vinegar inside of there. Can I talk about myself? 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,400 Can I talk about myself? Yeah, let's do it. 23 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:21,680 A channel on YouTube called Disciple of Christ. 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,120 One of the main things that I do on there is people's faith 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,640 journeys, but sometimes I get cantankerous with others on 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,160 YouTube as well. One Jacob Hansen of a thoughtful 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,480 faith, one of the corporate Mormons. 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,760 I will be wrestling him. Not a verbal sort of spat sort 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,520 of thing. A physical hands on. 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,720 One another wrestling match where I get to take home one of 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,040 his limbs. It will be general conference 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,960 weekend. Roy UT Powerhouse MMA, all 5 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,560 foot six of me and my beard will be taking on Jacob Hanson. 34 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,720 And if you buy tickets and show up in person, you can tell me 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,160 which of his limbs you'd like me to take home with myself. 36 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,960 So Jesus did get physical. I know that Jacob of the Old 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,920 Testament did wrestle an Angel, so I'm just trying to follow up 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,360 in that vein of things. I'm a Jesus dude. 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,240 I've been a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ, the 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,000 Latter Day Saints, and I got myself kicked out of that church 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,720 for learning for myself that Joseph Smith was not a which is 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,720 controversial to say the least in XMO and Momo circles. 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,880 True, we got a X, MO and a pneumo, right? 44 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,800 You call it, call it Pneumo. Yeah, Quaiku. 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,240 Quaiku is the one who coined that term. 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,280 I think it works quite well and and the pneumo is I would say 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,240 like the like the actual fundamentalist like what was 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,920 being taught in the days days of Joseph Smith and and I I'm quite 49 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,040 convinced that it was the pure doctrine of Jesus Christ. 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,640 There's a lot of stuff that has been added on afterwards which I 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,600 which people should be leery of. Right, right. 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,360 No, I agree. And I mean, you know where I 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,920 stand on it, we differ quite a bit. 54 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:02,720 But I think that it's fair to get all the aspects out, 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,360 especially against mainstream because we both know that's not 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,400 true. Yeah, yes, and. 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Would you say that your audience is primarily latter distinct 58 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,400 background, whether they're active or or not? 59 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,960 I. Bet they're mostly Christian. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,000 I'm I bet you they're mostly Christian. 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,760 But I know quite a few have written me and said that they 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,720 came out of the church. So, I mean, we probably got 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,120 quite a few Expos, probably more than I'd. 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,960 I'd never heard of a new MO before I I met you. 65 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,480 It's it's a very recent term that that's been that's been 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,240 coined I would say this to my to the Christian audience that is 67 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,040 listening or latter whatever brand of latter day St. 68 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,440 X latter day St. that you might be. 69 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Most of what I do is try to help people turn to the Savior Jesus 70 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Christ and I think that that's found very clearly inside of the 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Book of Mormon and the and the the teachings of the 72 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,640 Restoration. But there's a lot of horrifying 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,040 baggage that's just a part of the corporate church today and 74 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,320 and I think that's what makes most active members of the LDS 75 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,560 Church incredibly insecure regarding their teachings. 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,400 It's and it's it's sad to see that happen because there was 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,920 only one or two generations ago some pretty strong intellectual 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,399 horsepower going on from the church, and that has vanished. 79 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,040 Right. Yeah, it it's definitely been 80 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,400 watered down as the years have gone through. 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,560 And I mean, I remember a time growing up in the church, the 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,160 mainstream Mormon church, that Joseph Smith wasn't a 83 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,000 polygamist. All of a sudden he is a 84 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,400 polygamist. I'm not really sure when that 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,120 changed, but it it was not always the case. 86 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,920 I can at least speak to what's inside of the correlated 87 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,880 material. So before I was even born in the 88 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,040 1970s, the correlation department of the Church really 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,280 wanted to make it so. Anybody who's getting a 90 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,120 publication from the church is all getting things within 91 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,000 certain bounds. In the 1990s, all of the 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,520 different lesson manuals, teachings of the presidents of 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,600 the Church, there was one from Joseph Smith and from Brigham 94 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,560 Young and many others. None of them ever acknowledged 95 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,680 polygamy going on. The closest that they got was 96 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,360 some of the men who had multiple wives at different times because 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,240 they became widowers and ended up marrying again. 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,520 President Hinckley was pretty clear with the educational 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,920 department of the church saying that's one of the things to 100 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,760 wear. If we ignore it, it's likely to 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,760 go away. They did not understand the 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,920 implications of the Internet. They clearly didn't have 103 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,320 prophetic vision on how people will be able to find original 104 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,600 sources and circulated and make sure that that those who are 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,040 interested in a particular topic now have a much better ability 106 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,360 to learn for themselves closer to the source, if not the 107 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,880 original source. So I know you were saying on our 108 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,320 last time together that you don't do the Masonic Temple 109 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,720 rites either, right? Is that part of your church or I 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,040 can't remember. I don't have a church. 111 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,680 In other words, for me, like people call us pneumos, I am a 112 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,680 disciple of Jesus Christ. The biggest you tell me would 113 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,040 now be an appropriate time to kind of give the background, Oh, 114 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,600 what my background has been, because I think that that would 115 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,960 make sense, I think. People need to know, yeah. 116 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,360 Like when people, when you're asking like what about this, 117 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,000 what about that? It would it would be important 118 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,640 to understand this. I was my father's, a convert to 119 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,480 the church. He in his 20s, he was in the 120 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,480 military and it was a it was a special event from him. 121 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,920 He recognized the Spirit intervening in learning the 122 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,160 truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 123 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Among other things. It means that myself and my four 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,680 other siblings, we were raised active in the church. 125 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,840 Myself and my three brothers were all returned missionaries. 126 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,880 I had my initial come to Jesus moment at age 15. 127 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,720 I had to change certain things about my life. 128 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,360 I recognized the voice of God via the Spirit, telling me to 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,840 abandon my old life and to follow him and and I did. 130 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,880 I never looked back. It was a very sincere trying to 131 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,520 turn my heart to Jesus, and I even remember lamenting because 132 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,360 I knew I couldn't be. I knew my own weakness even at 133 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,600 15, that I wasn't strong enough to be a disciple the way that I 134 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,640 wanted to be a disciple. And I I recognize now it's it 135 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,280 was awareness of the weakness of my own flesh, me and a teenager 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,240 and and and whatever you're dealing with growing up. 137 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,600 But I was, I was a very enthusiastic missionary as a 138 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,240 teenager, teaching and baptizing friends. 139 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,560 And then from ages 17 to 19 to when I became a full time 140 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,440 missionary, I was living in Southern California. 141 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,200 I went out with the missionaries in my ward and as well as the 142 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,240 Spanish speaking missionaries, a few different sets of them every 143 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,840 day for for about a year and a half. 144 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,040 I'm I'm telling you, if there's 30 days in a month, I'm probably 145 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,480 out 25 of those days with the missionaries. 146 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,240 They got me a key to their apartment and everything else. 147 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,800 I read my stuff. I was an abnormally prepared and 148 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,640 enthusiastic sincere missionary when I was when I was in the 149 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,920 mission field. I'll I'll just share the first 150 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,520 time that I actually heard the voice of the Lord, like 151 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,280 specifically a sentence because I felt his prompting since a 152 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,240 young age when I thought in my first area, when I thought I'm 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,320 going to have 100 baptisms my first month and then 1000 plus 154 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,720 every month thereafter. Because the only thing that I 155 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,720 had to go off of was the testimonies that I read in the 156 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,160 scriptures. The the the power of the Apostle 157 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,320 Paul and others in the New Testament, the sons of Messiah 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,760 in the Book of Mormon. And those are the missionaries 159 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,880 that I identified with. So when it's going nowhere in 160 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Devil's Lake, North Dakota, and I'm about a month into this, I 161 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,840 went to my bed earlier than my companion so he wouldn't hear me 162 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,120 cry. And I went to my bed and I knelt 163 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,080 down and I started to pray, asking Heavenly Father why am IA 164 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,600 failure. I felt my heart just just weep 165 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,080 because I wanted to be the kind of missionary that I read about 166 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,680 in the scriptures. And before I could indulge in 167 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:53,040 the sorrow I was feeling, I heard nine words directly. 168 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,640 I am happy with the work you are doing and it called me. 169 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,680 It was it was like the voice of the Saviour telling the the sea 170 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,920 to be still. I felt it calm my soul 171 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,520 completely and I could not feel sorrow because I realized, well, 172 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,720 if he's happy and that I that's all that matters. 173 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:16,400 Later on, when I was, when I was about 20 years old, about one 174 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,920 little bit less than one year into the mission, I recognize I 175 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,840 don't understand the Atonement, the way that I need to to 176 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,000 testify of it. Like, I believe conceptually, 177 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,680 the atonement is what saves us from physical death and 178 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:30,160 spiritual death in in other words, the the the death of the 179 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,920 body and the being cut off from the presence of God. 180 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,000 I understood that conceptually, but I recognize there's some 181 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,600 spiritual knowledge I don't possess regarding the Atonement, 182 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,280 and I also recognize I don't care enough to really ask my 183 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Heavenly Father in faith yet. And so I started to pray every 184 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,760 day. Heavenly Father, please help me 185 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,640 to have desire to understand the atonement and that would be my 186 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,240 prayer morning and night. And and I had already learned 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,720 how to carry a prayer around in my heart. 188 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,960 Heavenly Father, please help me to please help me to desire to 189 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,840 understand the Atonement. And I prayed for desire and I 190 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,320 think it took a few weeks in a row. 191 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,600 But then I felt my heart change. My heart longed to understand 192 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 the Atonement of Jesus Christ and I could feel it growing and 193 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,640 it only at that point that I allow my prayers to change. 194 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Heavenly Father, because I knew the desire was there. 195 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,440 Please help me to understand the Atonement and I could feel that 196 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,080 prayer growing and working as I was a sincere, active 197 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,760 missionary. It was around Christmas time in 198 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Ames, IA, which is a university town. 199 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,720 Kale Sanderson was a wrestler there at Iowa State University 200 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,480 at the time. My ex husband's from there. 201 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,640 There was 4. Of us. 202 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,160 Dude, it's it's. I love the people of Iowa and 203 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,480 the corn. Oh, it was. 204 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,560 It was around Christmas time that that I simply went to bed a 205 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,480 little bit earlier than the other three missionaries that 206 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 were there in the apartment for no particular reason. 207 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,840 And as I knelt down just to say my nightly prayer, as was my 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,360 habit, I got carried away in a visionary experience. 209 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,720 This is the first time I had ever experienced anything like 210 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,640 this. It enveloped my whole body and 211 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,480 it enveloped my whole mind and I saw in high definition detail 212 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,640 not only seeing but I, but I could feel things permeate my 213 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,640 whole body. I witnessed a small portion of 214 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,760 what the Saviour sacrificed on behalf of me personally. 215 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,160 What I saw in it, as I was in that visionary experience, was 216 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,360 similar to a a very famous painting of Jesus at night next 217 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,200 to the olive tree in Gethsemane and I could feel permeate my 218 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,440 whole soul, the intensity of his love towards me personally. 219 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,120 You probably can relate to the feeling of if you have a child, 220 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:51,800 and they are, their life is dependent upon your pleading on 221 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 their behalf, the kind of intensity and love that you 222 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,200 would have. I felt that on my behalf 223 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,880 permeate my whole body and I heard specific words asking, 224 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,520 pleading, saying I need you to live, I need you to live. 225 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,600 And it was somebody who was pleading on my half on my behalf 226 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,600 personally, and I don't think it was all that long of an 227 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,040 experience, but it was one of those to where the space-time 228 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,320 continuum became inconsequential during that moment. 229 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,440 And when that visionary experience ended, I realized I 230 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,280 can testify differently. I could now say I know that the 231 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,560 Atonement of Jesus Christ is real. 232 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:25,960 I know that the Savior of Jesus Christ lives, and that he atone 233 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,560 for me. And so those are like some of 234 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:33,240 the foundational things that landed me on the rock of Christ 235 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,560 at the level that I could handle. 236 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:38,200 Then I'll Fast forward to where, like that level of enthusiasm 237 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,640 that that I'm expressing. I've carried it with me always. 238 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,760 2018. Yeah, 2000, 2015, Leading up to 239 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,040 2000, 2015. I'm living in Albuquerque, NM 240 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,600 and I am so determined. Heavenly Father, how do I help 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,720 my friends that have lost their testimonies not only of the 242 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,440 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but they've lost 243 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,840 their testimony of God and of Jesus Christ and everything. 244 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,200 And my prayer was Heavenly Father, How do I reach them? 245 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:06,000 Well, I know the big issue is the history of the church, in 246 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,120 particular what is attributed to Joseph Smith. 247 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,560 And as I dug into that history, it got ugly, it got gross, it 248 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,240 got uglier and grosser. The history that's attributed to 249 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,200 Joseph Smith, for example, there would be an interview on Mormon 250 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,120 Stories to where here's the accusations made against Joseph 251 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Smith, Teenage girls, married women, things like that. 252 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,120 Very salacious nature. How do you reconcile that? 253 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,880 And when there would be an LDS apologist like Brian Hales doing 254 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,720 a response interview? Pretty much the only thing that 255 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,160 would happen is they would confirm everything and try to 256 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,920 put a spin on it. Yes, that's true, but we need to 257 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,000 look at it this way. It was horrible and I did not 258 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,320 know how to reconcile. I would recognize the Spirit to 259 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,560 testify of certain truths when I was a missionary regarding 260 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,640 Joseph Smith as a true witness of Jesus Christ in the Book of 261 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,640 Mormon as a true record of Jesus Christ. 262 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,040 How do I reconcile those truths with this behavior that I'm 263 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,480 learning about Joseph Smith? It was disgusting and it did not 264 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,520 get better. It was the lowest spiritual 265 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,800 point in my life. I did come to, I did come to the 266 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,680 conclusion, all right, Heavenly Father, I feel like there's more 267 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,400 that you're going to teach me and I should keep moving 268 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,680 forward. And I did keep moving forward 269 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,360 like I didn't feel any impression to leave the church, 270 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,080 even though this was awful. I continue to go out with the 271 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 missionaries where I was as a as a young dad with kids still 272 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,560 happen at these young missionaries that I love so 273 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,200 much. 2019 I was the Elders Corn president of my ward in North 274 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,920 Ogden where I the same place where I'm still at right now and 275 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,440 the short version of it I had a friend challenge me. 276 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Why do you think Joseph Smith was a polygamist? 277 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,240 And I thought it was a done deal. 278 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,200 When I searched what the Church teaches now, patterns are 279 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:51,280 sticking out. 90% or more of all of the sources used to claim 280 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,760 that Joseph Smith was a polygamist are from 30 years or 281 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,560 more after his assassination, and they come almost exclusively 282 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,360 from the polygamists who took over the church after Joseph 283 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Smith's assassination. And then, when I read for myself 284 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,960 the teachings of Joseph Smith. Strict monogamy in all forms, 285 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,160 strict public condemnation of polygamy in all forms, using his 286 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,560 political office to prosecute those practicing polygamy. 287 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Using his religious office to excommunicate and publish the 288 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,600 names of any using polygamy, I came to a conclusion and the 289 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,160 Spirit says, write down your reasoning. 290 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,880 I wrote down a document. When I finished that, the Spirit 291 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,040 says, kneel down and pray. I knelt down and I prayed about 292 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,760 this and there ain't no fluff to this prayer. 293 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,920 Like I spent two days writing the document because the Spirit 294 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,160 told me to and I kneel down and I say Heavenly Father, I've paid 295 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,720 the price to put this information in my head. 296 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,400 I've come to three conclusions. I don't believe Joseph Smith 297 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,680 ever taught polygamy. I don't believe Joseph Smith 298 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,320 ever practiced polygamy, and I believe doctrine and covenant 299 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Section 132 is fraudulently attributed to Joseph Smith. 300 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Have I discovered the truth? I ask this in the name of Jesus 301 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,360 Christ. Amen. 302 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,400 And when I finished that prayer like it was 12 O 4:00 AM on on 303 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,720 Sunday, January 12th, my wife was asleep on the bed back 304 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,680 behind me. I was there at my desk with just 305 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,760 one dimly lit desk lamp. I finished that prayer and I'm 306 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,440 still knelt down by the chair and I felt a change in my body. 307 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,760 This was the first time, first and only time that this 308 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,240 specifically has happened to me. I felt an expanse of my body. 309 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,080 It felt like it started at my arms and then it went over my my 310 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,920 entire body. And I'm thinking, what is going 311 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,080 on? I knew that something was 312 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,480 physically different. I'm not seeing angels in the 313 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,240 room or anything like that, but I realized something's different 314 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,280 and I did not want to offend whatever this experience was. 315 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,400 And it's I talk into a microphone already. 316 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,880 I've been doing a political podcast. 317 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,240 I'm good with words. I know how to describe stuff. 318 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,320 Now I'm at a loss and at about two minutes into this where I 319 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,320 didn't dare get up from my knees or do anything that might offend 320 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,160 whatever this experience is, I'm trying to think, how would I 321 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,440 describe what's going on right now? 322 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,400 It felt like an intensity of peace. 323 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,960 It felt like contradiction couldn't exist in my mind, even 324 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,480 though nothing was happening yet. 325 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,160 And then at about two minutes in, I started to think about 326 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,200 what I had been reading regarding Joseph Smith's 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,680 teachings on marriage and monogamy, and it flooded into my 328 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,960 mind quickly and gently. And here's how specific it felt. 329 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,040 It felt like it was above my eyeball and below my eyebrow 330 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:26,920 where the information would flow in. 331 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,040 And the things that I've been studying. 332 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,560 It now makes me think about when Jesus taught. 333 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,600 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father 334 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,000 shall send in my name, He shall teach you all things and bring 335 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 all things to remembrance. That information that I had 336 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,520 learned because the Spirit told me to, was now being brought to 337 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,880 my mind and put in order and locked into place to where it 338 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,000 was, Oh wow, the level of clarity. 339 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,800 And this would go on for minutes in a row, where the information 340 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,600 I would think about would flood into my mind and the Spirit 341 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,920 would lock it into place. I started to think about a 342 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,840 different subject, the suspicious coming forth of 343 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,520 Section 132, which claims to be Joseph Smith's revelation on 344 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,800 polygamy. That had information flowed into 345 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,880 my mind. Replace the other stuff and it 346 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,320 would be available for me to contemplate in as much depth as 347 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,960 I wanted, for as long as I wanted, for just minutes in a 348 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,200 row. This process went on for more 349 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,160 than an hour. It's past 1:00 AM in the morning 350 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,600 and I realize holy cow and I ask a quick prayer of my heart. 351 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Heavenly Father I I I I knew the implications to where regarding 352 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,520 this. If Joseph Smith wasn't a 353 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,800 polygamist, that means those who took over the church, they're 354 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,560 serious implications about their honesty. 355 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Heavenly Father, am I supposed to testify this to my elders 356 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,800 quorum because I was going to be in front of them in a few hours? 357 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,680 And the Spirit says to me quickly and gently, Yes. 358 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,560 All right. The Spirit brings to my mind an 359 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,800 image that I could see in this part of the peripheral of my 360 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,840 mind. I saw myself dressed up in my 3 361 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,680 piece suit at church and I saw how much I valued being 362 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,520 perceived as a leader in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter 363 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,880 Day Saints and I knew I was being shown that because Jacob 364 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,080 that could permanently go away. Are you OK with that? 365 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,560 I knew that's what I was being asked and I only thought about a 366 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,240 moment. I read I'm OK with that. 367 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,880 The next day I testified to my Elder Score and that's a longer 368 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,280 story in and of itself. I know how to run a good Elder. 369 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,080 I'm sure that didn't go well. OK, so I love these men like I 370 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,160 do. So it's probably about 40 plus 371 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,840 men inside of the room, six former bishops, the high 372 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,400 councilman's inside of there, a couple of others. 373 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,440 There's a couple of lifelong employees of the Church 374 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,320 Educational System and probably about a dozen or so young bucks 375 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,880 that are my age or a little bit younger. 376 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,480 I teach them about keeping a journal of impressions, hearing 377 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,880 the voice of the Lord. And then I ask in the last 15 378 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,920 minutes, why do you think Joseph Smith was a polygamist? 379 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,040 I had a friend who challenged me on this, and I took them through 380 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,360 the uncomfortable standard history according to the Church. 381 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Then I shared about what I had learned, and I shared about 382 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,800 praying, and I shared about the answer, and I stood, and I 383 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,280 testified with it with as much. I stood with as much gentleness 384 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,720 and openness as I could. But I I told them, I testify in 385 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,360 the name of Jesus Christ, that Joseph Smith never taught 386 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,560 polygamy, and I testify in the name of Jesus Christ that Joseph 387 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,640 Smith never practiced polygamy. And I testify in the name of 388 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,640 Jesus Christ. That Doctrine and Covenant, 389 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,240 Section 132. He is fraudulently attributed to 390 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Joseph Smith, and I let it sit in the room for about 10 seconds 391 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,640 as people are like grabbing their faces. 392 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,120 The high Councilman has his head buried in his hands and he's 393 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:32,600 never spoken to me again since then. 394 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Oh boy. I'm open to the possibility that 395 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,160 I'm in error. I would welcome correction from 396 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,760 any of you fine brethren. I've already sent an e-mail to 397 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,160 our state presidency so they can interview me and determine 398 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,400 whether I'm worthy to continue as your eldest born president. 399 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:55,040 Brother Silverio, will you give us our closing prayer here? 400 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,080 Let me put the landing gear down because this is going to be 401 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,720 enough. I felt jubilant. 402 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,000 I I knew that my Heavenly Father had asked me to do that, and I 403 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,040 did it. I did it fearlessly, and I felt 404 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,720 like I kept the right spirit with me as I did it. 405 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,040 My wife was like, what'd you do? Oh yeah. 406 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:15,120 The whole, the whole rest of the day, I'm jubilant like I I 407 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,880 could, I could feel happiness in my heart that wanted to jump. 408 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,120 The next morning my alarm clock goes off on my phone and I pop 409 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,360 up no snooze button, which was not my habit. 410 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,880 And I say good morning Heavenly Father because it feels like 411 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,280 he's standing there. And the spirit says kneel down. 412 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,840 And I kneel down and the spirit says give things for this and I 413 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,720 give things and a vibration starts in my heart and it goes 414 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,440 out my whole body and it's like I can feel it out my arm hairs 415 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,440 and my fingertips and my toenails and everything. 416 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,840 And it says give thanks, now give thanks, now give thanks. 417 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,360 And 0 things are originating from my own mind. 418 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,040 The spirits tell me like one right after the other what to 419 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,440 give thanks for and then it transitions and the spirit says, 420 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,600 now ask for this, now ask for this. 421 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,520 And I'm being told my sins one after the other and how to plead 422 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,800 forgiveness for them and it's it is now so permeated. 423 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,520 And then the spirit says end in the name of Jesus Christ and I 424 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,840 do and I stand up and I and and it's hard for me to share this 425 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,720 without just being overloaded with emotion. 426 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:23,200 I I felt my whole love for God. I'd love God since I was a 427 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,280 little boy. I felt that love get replaced by 428 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,280 his love for me. It permeated everything. 429 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,880 I felt such an intensity and such a power of love that the 430 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,560 only thing that I wanted was it for was for it to reflect back 431 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,320 to my maker. And then it and it stayed with 432 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,480 me for four days in a row, guiding all my actions. 433 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,480 I didn't know what a baptism of fire experience was because I'd 434 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,480 never had one like that. I had had other times where I 435 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,680 where I felt being forgiven of my sins and I felt cleansed and 436 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,400 I and I felt ready to keep moving forward. 437 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,640 This was a whole different ball game and I've never been the 438 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,080 same since then. I'm not so arrogant as to say, 439 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,400 bam, everything regarding being born again. 440 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,720 I've achieved that 'cause I don't feel like it's anything 441 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,640 I've achieved. I feel like it is a it is a 442 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,960 pure, powerful, godly gift that I was allowed to have a a piece 443 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,280 of. I recognize a small piece of 444 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,560 what it's like when heaven touches you here on earth and 445 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,440 and I long for my heavenly home as a result of experiencing 446 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,680 that. So As for the principles of the 447 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,320 church other than the polygamy, I know where you stand on that 448 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,920 for sure. But and and it's very similar to 449 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,120 the RLDS like the Reformed Church, they also definitely 450 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,760 believe that that's not something that Joseph Smith 451 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240 practiced. So I mean it's not completely 452 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,400 out there for people that don't know the Mormon church. 453 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,480 There's reorganized church and and they don't believe in in 454 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,000 polygamy either. Many attribute that to Emma will 455 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,520 never 100% know. But she did on her deathbed die 456 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,320 saying that that he was not a polygamist and then she never 457 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320 wavered. I always just call her a ride or 458 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,560 die gal. I'll. 459 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:13,640 I'll edit that for you. You know the word the but ride 460 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,880 or die B, you know, 'cause like, I mean that's a girl that really 461 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,600 loves her dude. If not, like if if it wasn't the 462 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,480 truth, like whatever, she was still down. 463 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,560 And I think Emma was that way in general. 464 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,160 I think. I think she really did love 465 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,040 Joseph and and there was a lot going on there, you know. 466 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,920 But even that was with her son. She could have been more 467 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,120 transparent. I mean it was just her son. 468 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,600 So I don't know. Let. 469 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,200 Let me mention this I I think of the way that Brigham Young 470 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,480 wanted to characterize Emma and Joseph. 471 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,120 He would repeatedly, over and over again talk about how Joseph 472 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,280 says she was the wickedest woman ever. 473 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,800 That and she just wouldn't repent. 474 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,280 It becomes pretty obvious that if Brigham Young's 475 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560 characterization of Emma is accurate, she sounds like 476 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,800 somebody who would have quite an incentive to throw Joseph under 477 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,800 the bus posthumously when he's not there to cause any issue if 478 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,640 she were to do that. So of course. 479 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,120 At that point, he's gone. Yeah. 480 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,720 So, I mean, yeah, what's the point? 481 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,240 But like at that, at that level, like with for you, like you gave 482 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,080 up like you said a lot to leave the church in a different way 483 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,880 than I did, I left the church. I mean, let's face it, there's 484 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,760 only three ways. I never heard of your way mostly 485 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,040 I thought there was two ways. I thought you left the church 486 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,320 and became like Christian somehow, some kind of something, 487 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,000 or you completely give away everything and you don't want to 488 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200 believe in God at all, 'cause you feel duped, right? 489 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,800 Like a lot of people go to that level and atheism. 490 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,920 And that's why I do this channel, because I would watch 491 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,080 people fall away, fall away, not fall away into a better 492 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,800 situation. It was like a a weird worse 493 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,160 situation or Gnosticism or whatever. 494 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,360 But it just it it was never great and I definitely wanted to 495 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,280 get that out there. But I'd never heard of something 496 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,160 like what what you're doing and. So it's happening a lot. 497 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,280 So I'll, I'll say this, I I was totally willing to be the Lord's 498 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320 lone soldier 'cause when I was an active travelling musician, 499 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080 that was easy to do. I I felt a connection with the 500 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,760 heavens to the point to where I keep copy of the Book of Mormon 501 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,320 in my backpack. And I would meet people at the 502 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,360 bus station or other places. And I and I felt like my 503 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,520 Heavenly Father knows my whereabouts and he can keep me 504 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480 active in his work. When I testified of that, I 505 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,840 thought, man, I'm just going to be the Lord's lone soldier, 506 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,480 nobody else. I ended up publishing my 507 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,200 experiences and find out that other people had similar 508 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,760 experiences. Mine is probably the most 509 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,280 dramatic that I've as far as like a a public testifying sort 510 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,320 of thing. But the Lord's been waking 511 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,240 people up for years within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter 512 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,000 Day Saints, and the reoccurring theme is the warning in the Book 513 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,320 of Mormon that secret combinations will be among you 514 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,040 striving to take power. You are commanded to wake up to 515 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,600 your awful situation that's happening among If you're 516 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960 meeting Latter Day Saints who are all about following the 517 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,920 Savior, rest assured the Lord's waking them up regarding the 518 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,080 secret combinations that have taken over the corporate 519 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,360 structure of the Church. So for you, for what you're 520 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,600 doing, for you and your purposes, do you still believe 521 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800 in, like, the Word of Wisdom or like that? 522 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760 You know, all of the things that people think of when they hear 523 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,440 Mormon, we know we're not polygamy. 524 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,200 That's the first thing they think of, right? 525 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,920 The second thing they don't drink coffee like I mean. 526 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,640 I would say that my focus has become very, very specific and 527 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,360 structure. I'm going to share my screen if 528 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:43,280 I can. Sure. 529 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,080 Here we go. Let's go to present share 530 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,160 screen. Oh, let's click this button. 531 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,680 Boom. Did it? 532 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,800 Is it going? Oh, oh, oh, you're going to be 533 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,280 able to show it in a little bit. OK. 534 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,320 But in other words, here's this is a a reoccurring thing inside 535 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,520 of the inside of the let's. See I'm going to push share 536 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,120 screen but then it will have me share screen. 537 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,800 Let's do. It do you see the screen that 538 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,200 I'm seeking to share at the bottom? 539 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560 I know I don't. That's why I'm like, let me 540 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,360 minimize and see. Here we go. 541 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,520 There it is. So right now 35 Chapter 11, This 542 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,960 is one of the most common chapters that Latter Day Saints 543 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,360 missionaries share with people as they're teaching them. 544 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840 Jesus Christ teaches His doctrine of it, and this is the 545 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,760 doctrine of Christ. Some people call us the doctrine 546 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,000 of Christ group and all they're saying there's no official 547 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,640 organization. I'm not a leader of anything. 548 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,760 What I do recognize is Jesus says, faith, repentance, water 549 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,360 baptism, baptism of firing of the Holy Ghost, and then endure 550 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,880 to the end as he nails that clearly as can be. 551 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,920 In 3rd Nephi Chapter 11 he talks about how jealously he guards 552 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,960 this doctrine. Jesus says, Verily, verily, I 553 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,720 say unto you, this faith, repentance, water, baptism, 554 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,320 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, endure to the end. 555 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,640 This is my doctrine, and I bear record of it from the Father. 556 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,840 That whoso will believeth in me, and in the Father also unto him 557 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,880 will the Father bear record of me, And he will visit him with 558 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240 fire and with the Holy Ghost. That's an ordinance that takes 559 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,280 place. That's the born again. 560 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,120 Experience the fire and the Holy Ghost. 561 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,480 That's how we become born again. And thus will the Father bear 562 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400 record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record of the Father 563 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,520 unto him, of the Father and me. For the Father and I and the 564 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,160 Holy Ghost are one. And again I say unto you, you 565 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,840 must repent. OK, He hits on it, and I'm just 566 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,000 going to move forward a little bit. 567 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280 But Jesus says, this is my doctrine. 568 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560 Who so buildeth upon this builds on my rock? 569 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000 And who so shall declare more or less than this? 570 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,680 Think about whether it's a whether it's saying the Word of 571 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,000 Wisdom is a requirement for salvation, or these things that 572 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,040 we do in the Temple are a requirement for salvation. 573 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,880 Or these performances, or those performances whoso shall declare 574 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,040 more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine. 575 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,760 The same cometh of evil and is not built upon my rock, built 576 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,880 upon a sandy foundation and the gates of hell are open to 577 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560 receive them. So, like, I find that to be a 578 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,240 mandate to anybody who pretends to believe the Book of Mormon. 579 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,040 If they're adding to or taken away from the doctrine that 580 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,960 Jesus Christ just laid out there, they are idolaters and 581 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,280 they are required to repent otherwise. 582 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,520 Holy horse, Honky. I feel like saying bad words, 583 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,760 holy, absolute bovine excrement that they believe the words of 584 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,720 Jesus Christ. And here's why I'm so passionate 585 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,960 about this. I love people so much. 586 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 And you've had a similar desire to where when people give up on 587 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,920 faith and everything, when people give up on that, it's sad 588 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,160 to see. And there's probably hundreds of 589 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,800 thousands if not in the millions of young people who are now 590 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,160 adults who at one point were feeling the Spirit testifying of 591 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,160 certain truths. But when the corporate Church of 592 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,960 Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints tries to attach this 593 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,400 other bull crap and saying that's just as true as this 594 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,000 other stuff, it causes people to have not only faith crisis, but 595 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,960 to give up on God altogether and. 596 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,960 Absolutely. The people trying to mix that 597 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,120 bovine excrement with the doctrine of Christ, I want to 598 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,080 punch them in their freaking face for their betrayal of Jesus 599 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Christ in this gospel. So when and I I say this with 600 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,560 all niceness, like I'm not trying to, you know, I know that 601 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,640 you debate. I know you debate and I 602 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,520 appreciate that you love a debate, but also I like to be 603 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,760 respectful of everybody on my channel and I like to, even if I 604 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,120 completely disagree with them, I don't like to, yeah. 605 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,840 You and I like each other enough that we're allowed to. 606 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,720 Do we do so in Ecclesiastes? There's multiple verses that 607 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440 talk about that dreams can be deceiving. 608 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,600 OK, so Ecclesiastes 34, seven or Ecclesiastes 57, either one. 609 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:15,880 And these talk about, yes, these talk about whether or not you 610 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,840 can trust your dreams. You know, we've got to remember 611 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,440 that. And for me this is really 612 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,800 important because when I left the the church, I found more 613 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,200 myself studying the Bible and it and it brought forth many things 614 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:38,320 for me that were confusing. So 34 seven is 1 and it says for 615 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,080 dreams have deceived many and they have failed that put their 616 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,120 trust in them. So like to be careful, right? 617 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,320 We have to we have to be careful and not only for your dream or 618 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,880 I'm not just discounting this is more about Joseph. 619 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,240 I didn't know you had a 34 seven. 620 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,000 Let's see. I don't think there's A and so. 621 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080 Or did I write it down wrong maybe? 622 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,680 Like, I totally agree. Maybe it's 3/4 through seven, 623 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,320 but it's we can go to this other one, Ecclesiastes 5 seven. 624 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,360 We can just go to that one. I I totally believe in that 625 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,560 principle that you're sharing. Absolutely. 626 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920 And not about your dream, because I didn't know about your 627 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,240 dream. Actually, I was talking about 628 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320 just. You know, for me it wasn't, it 629 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,200 wasn't a dream. It was like visions that I was 630 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,640 having. Specifically, I I completely 631 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:35,080 believe that that that visions and revelations can and do come 632 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,880 from dark sources, probably more commonly than they come from 633 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,520 divine sources. And So what? 634 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120 What would be my method for checking such things? 635 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,200 I would some of the things that I've come to understand 636 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,680 regarding Satan and his minions who are quite active in a 637 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,680 literal sense, trying to mirror the structure of heaven here on 638 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,280 earth where they still claim power over this lost and fallen 639 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,600 world, they I do recognize a certain amount of puffing people 640 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560 up with pride. Wow, you're so great and they 641 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,639 generally lead to a perversion of the gospel whereby somebody 642 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,679 themselves, you can become an ascended master. 643 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,040 That's what you're meant to do and there's there's a lot of the 644 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,159 power is in you and where the pride is. 645 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,199 In other words the humility is no longer there the same way 646 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,760 that Jesus perfectly showed Father. 647 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,000 If it be possible let this cup pass from me. 648 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,480 But nevertheless, not my will. Thine be done Jesus, his will to 649 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,760 the will of the Father in all things. 650 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,400 If there's revelation we are receiving that doesn't have that 651 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,199 same accompanying spirit of full submission to God, I be. 652 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,159 I highly suspect that it is a deceiving spirit. 653 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,120 So, you know, when we spoke last, I kind of and I didn't 654 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,520 know about your dream. I just knew about Joseph and the 655 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,920 channelling that occurred with the Book of Mormon, and it was 656 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,280 very similar to that of John D and And it's very occult in 657 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,040 nature. And then you add in the treasure 658 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,080 bag and the sigils and all the things that we kind of spoke 659 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,760 about last time and it's hard. It's actually impossible, Not 660 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,040 hard for me. Impossible for me to believe 661 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920 that it's another addition to the Bible, right? 662 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,760 Because it says we shouldn't. That first part regarding 663 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,760 channelling what? What is it? 664 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,640 What is it that you view as channelling as having produced 665 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,440 the Book of Mormon? Well, he puts his head in the 666 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,480 hat and they use a seer stone very similar to John D He used 667 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,040 Obsidian instead. But also the the little letters 668 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,600 that they used and that they submitted to have be verified 669 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,480 that the guy kept. They were actually very similar 670 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,960 to the Enochian alphabet. And you know the channeling that 671 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,480 went on there, he would call out these symbols almost identical 672 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,880 as Edward Kelly and John D and so and they're not the only ones 673 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,160 but it makes you wonder where you know Joseph said he not only 674 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,840 saw, you know, Moroni but his dead brother and like up to 24 675 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440 different apparitions and or dead people. 676 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,280 And then you start to wonder is this a diviner? 677 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,200 Is this the truth? Is this you know, is this I 678 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,920 believe he's he translated a book. 679 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,320 I do believe that he was channelled these words into his 680 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,240 mind. I don't know about plates per 681 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,720 SE, but I do believe he saw something. 682 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,440 I'm not like those people that are like, oh, he was high on 683 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,360 mushrooms and had a good trip. Have fun? 684 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,920 I don't think so. The. 685 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,400 Reality is is that the volume which which purports to be 686 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,960 translated from golden plates. It exists and it's it's been 687 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,680 given to the worst enemies of Joseph Smith from the get go and 688 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,960 and it's produced now for me. I've read the Book of Mormon 689 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,800 dozens of times and I read from it rather regularly. 690 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,800 The things that have, and I'm not trying to make this, let me 691 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,200 argue with an anecdote. I'm just but but I think it is. 692 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,600 It is distinct that well, why does somebody like myself or 693 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,480 others who are having waking up type experiences? 694 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,960 Why does this connect with them so much? 695 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,120 I recognize instead of just believing, maybe this is God 696 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,960 intervening for you. But like the Bible says, we 697 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,360 shouldn't have another book, even if an Angel comes down and 698 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,360 hands it to you. Because some of the questions. 699 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,440 That I've learned from from you as well as others who are who 700 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,440 are quite different, Evangelicals and Christians who 701 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,720 are quite critical of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day 702 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,640 Saints. There's plenty to be critical of 703 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,760 my myself as well I'm I'm quite critical. 704 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:47,120 I do not hear opposition to the teachings of the Book of Mormon. 705 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,040 And I would think that if the Book of Mormon came from a 706 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,480 deceptive source, perhaps a similar source as John D, and I 707 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,560 appreciate you give me a a a good foundational understanding 708 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,320 of his history, then I would expect there to be some of this, 709 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,240 some of this ascended master become your own God sort of 710 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:13,720 thing mixed inside of there. Well, there was for a while. 711 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:18,160 With the teachings with Kolob, we were all gonna get our own 712 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:19,840 planet. Well, I would say this. 713 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,880 I would say that is something quite distinct and separate from 714 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,120 the teachings of the Book of Mormon. 715 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,080 The Book of Mormon has 500 plus pages to be examined and 716 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,720 criticized and and evaluated. And the when there are 717 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,960 criticisms of the teachings of Joseph Smith, I just don't find 718 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,760 from Joseph Smith's greatest critics, prominent today, 719 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,240 teachings of the Book of Mormon being criticized. 720 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,600 I did. I never had a problem, honestly, 721 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,160 with the polygamy part. I know that sounds horrible. 722 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,040 I have a problem with children being married off. 723 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,320 I have a problem with people being married off against their 724 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,720 will. I have a problem with a lot of 725 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,120 things that have to do with that. 726 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,440 That's more fundamentalist, as you well know. 727 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,880 But as far as the polygamy part, everybody always hangs their big 728 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,800 hat on it. And I always feel like that's 729 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,000 not even the worst of our problems here. 730 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,120 We've got just other stuff. Let me just point to Joseph 731 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,880 Smith. He's the one who produced this 732 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,560 volume here, and it nails it big time. 733 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,880 To where Jacob of the Book of Mormon. 734 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,760 Again, this purports to be centuries before the coming of 735 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,560 Christ. This is parallel to the time of 736 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,400 Jeremiah in the Old Testament to where the people are starting to 737 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,800 grow and Jacob hammers them on the subject of polygamy. 738 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,760 So here's the teachings of the Book of Mormon on on polygamy. 739 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,400 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. 740 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,000 For behold, thus saith the Lord, this people begin to wax an 741 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520 iniquity they understand, not the Scriptures. 742 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,200 They seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms because 743 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480 of the things which were written concerning David and Solomon. 744 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,000 Solomon and David had many wives. 745 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,080 It was abominable. I'm going to just paraphrase. 746 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:04,600 He absolutely clobbers the having more than one wife in any 747 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,480 form, and even specifies you will not do like the people 748 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,200 started to do again in Jerusalem. 749 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120 They got destroyed because of embracing polygamy again. 750 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,160 Oh, absolutely. I feel like they were, they were 751 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,240 tortured. I mean, King David said it was 752 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,040 terrible idea. I think the people that choose 753 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,080 to do that get their own punishment here on earth. 754 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,280 Having that many wives. You must be crazy. 755 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,560 Like their women are hard. Admit it, Jacob. 756 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,360 Yeah, I've, I've been married twice. 757 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,640 Not at the same time though, but but in other words, the Book of 758 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,040 Mormon stays true to this. In other words, this is I find 759 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,600 the Book of Mormon to be strictly in harmony with the 760 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,560 teachings of Jesus Christ and his prophets. 761 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,440 From the Old Testament, From the New Testament. 762 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,840 I That's one of the reasons that I consider the Book of Mormon to 763 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,440 be scripture in the quite literal sense to where these 764 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,320 were prophets of God. Similar to what we find in the 765 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,600 Old Testament, sharing the word of the Lord as they obtained it 766 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,040 through the same manner because they practice the same religion 767 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,960 and it was on this continent anciently. 768 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,880 So on the part in Galatians 18 where it says, but even if an 769 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,320 Angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what 770 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,400 we have preached to you, he is to be accursed. 771 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,960 So I mean so or an addition. There's another one that I can 772 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,120 find that says if anything brings it in addition to the 773 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,040 Bible and the thing that I have a hard time with because I see a 774 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,520 good spirit in you, Jacob. Like, I I know you're a man that 775 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,800 goes for God. Like, I don't doubt that just 776 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,000 because you believe in the Book of Mormon, but it makes me 777 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,720 almost sad because that could all be used for the glory of God 778 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,200 in the Bible. Like you have something that you 779 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,280 you. I mean, you do you. 780 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,680 Like, I don't know. If you watch yourself, you're 781 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,720 very charismatic and you, you know all of that. 782 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,680 I know you're trying to go for God. 783 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,520 Like, I get what you're doing. And I don't doubt that at all. 784 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,960 I I don't. I think that. 785 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,080 You are you open to the idea that there are branches of the 786 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,880 House of Israel who have records outside of the Canon of the 787 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,080 Bible? I believe in many extra 788 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,200 canonical books like Jasher and Enoch and yeah, for sure. 789 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,040 In other words, if the Book of Mormon is what it purports to 790 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,800 be, then it is the records of a branch of the House of Israel, 791 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,600 and the same way that the Lord's covenant people will be restored 792 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,960 to the lands of their inheritance in what's considered 793 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,720 the Old World. The branch of the House of 794 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,160 Israel has covenants regarding this continent that right now 795 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,600 the Gentiles who have been blessed upon above all other 796 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,720 nations, the Book of Mormon, specifies they are ripening in 797 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:51,560 iniquity and will be swept off, and that branch of the House of 798 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,080 Israel that once inhabited this land will be restored. 799 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:58,880 I find those covenants to be true and faithful and given from 800 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,280 given from the same God of the Old Testament and the New 801 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,760 Testament contained accurately in the Book of Mormon. 802 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,120 But the old books like Jasher and that were in the Codex, 803 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,600 right, Like and they they were taken out like they were 804 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,000 interrupted. They weren't like added later. 805 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,280 You know what I'm saying? They were part of of the actual 806 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,000 full books and and people decided, hey, we should take 807 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,240 this out, 'cause we don't want to explain Genesis Six. 808 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,360 I think that's what happened. No, but really, like, I think 809 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,880 that they just wanted us not to have a full history, whereas 810 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,000 this is a completely new book, you know, this is like not part 811 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,400 of the. Codec if if it was produced by 812 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,760 Joseph. If it is a record that was 813 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,040 invented in the 1830s, I am in complete agreement with you and 814 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,120 and I I feel comfortable just referring to what the book of 815 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000 More imports to me because it's not my it's not my job in this 816 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,000 conversation to say you need to believe the way that I do. 817 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,280 But I do feel I need to clarify what it proportions to be so 818 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,920 people can add that into the equation it claims to be. 819 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,040 At the time of Jeremiah in the Old Testament when Jeremiah 820 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,840 exercised faith like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who were 821 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,160 promised a land and posterity. Lehi was promised that and it 822 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,080 happened here and God continued to give promises which were 823 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,320 recorded in the scriptures anciently and they are once 824 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,160 again crying from the dust. So in other words, if this was a 825 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,720 new thing invented 1830 AD, you and I are agreement that it 826 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,240 shouldn't be taken seriously or even paid attention to. 827 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,600 But if this is the ancient voices from the dust that God is 828 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,160 keeping his covenants and getting people to wake up to his 829 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,520 covenants pertaining to this land, it is completely 830 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,200 pertinent. I recognize I I hopefully give 831 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,280 off a a loving spirit of someone who loves God because I do and I 832 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,520 have since and I have since I was a teenager and I had that 833 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,520 initial come to Jesus moment. I still find myself willing to 834 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,280 have my world turns upside down if that's what it takes for me 835 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,800 to follow God. In other words, I do pray 836 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,800 regularly to have false traditions abused. 837 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,800 I find the Book of Mormon to be true and faithful, and since 838 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,680 that baptism of fire experience that I shared about, I never had 839 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,760 a love or even a whole lot of understanding of the Old 840 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,160 Testament other than like knowing the stories. 841 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,560 Right, right. Of course. 842 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,160 The Old Testament has exploded. Like my enthusiasm and my 843 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,920 excitement for the covenants that are continuing the Old 844 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,080 Testament have have just grown exponentially because of what 845 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,560 I've been through, and it helps me connect the Book of Mormon to 846 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160 those same covenants. I find the same God of promising 847 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,720 his people throughout the Old and New Testament to be the same 848 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,800 God speaking throughout the Book of Mormon. 849 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,320 And I think that your testimony is unshakable. 850 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,880 And that's why I bring these things up. 851 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,400 Like, we're we're friends. Like you said, past this, we're 852 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,160 going to talk again. We already know. 853 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,640 But yeah. And then I worry like because we 854 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,400 have all these things that don't compiled together well, like 855 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,320 Joseph Smith was the one that started all of the temple 856 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920 rituals six weeks after he became a Mason. 857 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,200 And he's the one where that sits with, you know, and he's the one 858 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,320 that, you know, Willard Chase's account and his affidavit in 859 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,800 court and then the treasure digging and the folk magic and 860 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,160 the House of a BRAC. It gets heavy. 861 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960 Like these are more my problems than the polygamy. 862 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,040 Like I get that it's important as well. 863 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,360 And then if if we, you know, think of one more thing, 864 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,120 Muhammad saw an Angel and you know, that became a religion 865 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,160 too. And yeah, Crowley saw an alien, 866 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,560 not an Angel, and that became a religion too. 867 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,120 So we have to remember that these things can and are used 868 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,080 regularly by deception, whether or not in this case we have no 869 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,440 idea yet. But I'm talking about like in 870 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,960 those other cases, we absolutely know that Thalima is not from 871 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,200 God. Like we know we are certain of 872 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,040 that and there's no doubt in our minds. 873 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,320 But that's why I bring up these things. 874 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,960 Because if you if you have a true and honest testimony and 875 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,560 and you don't believe in the temple rites, He's the one that 876 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,200 well it. Like I find here's what has 877 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,120 happened to me in in understanding that Joseph Smith 878 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,560 was not the source of latter day St. polygamy. 879 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,720 It has caused me to really question, well is what is he the 880 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,320 source of, especially the Masonic aspects of this the 881 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,240 endowment that was introduced by Brigham Young. 882 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,960 It included the oath of vengeance to where avenge the 883 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,320 blood of Joseph Smith. How could Joseph Smith has have 884 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,960 introduced such a thing? Brigham Young doesn't claim that 885 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,800 God gave him the temple ordinance, he says. 886 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,040 Joseph Smith came to me, envisioned and gave me these 887 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,320 things that were introduced, the slitting of the throat and all 888 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,800 the other things. I find about as much historical 889 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,520 integrity in the claims of Joseph Smith that being a Mason 890 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,080 at all as the historical record shows that he was also a 891 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,680 polygamist. I'm suspicious of it. 892 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,280 You won't find anything from Joseph Smith himself. 893 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,280 There's going to be people after his death now and that's part of 894 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,600 the reason to why I don't consider myself an advocate for 895 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,680 Joseph Smith. I am an advocate for the Book of 896 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,040 Mormon. If let's say that it were shown 897 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080 to me and I'm forced to like re evaluate things Joseph Smith and 898 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,240 polygamy, well I think the scriptures are quite clear that 899 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,920 polygamy is to be condemned especially when people are using 900 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,800 David and Solomon as their justification. 901 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,320 But, but there's nothing, there's nothing from Joseph 902 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,440 Smith that has anything but condemnation for polygamy. 903 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,360 There's nothing from Joseph Smith that has any approval of 904 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,360 Masonic elements. There are those who took over 905 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,640 the church who says, oh, I think they recognize they lacked 906 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,280 credibility in the eyes of those that they wanted to lead. 907 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,600 So let's borrow upon the good credit in the name of Joseph 908 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,160 Smith as he introduced this. So yes, if Joseph Smith was the 909 00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,200 one who introduced Blood Atonement type doctrines, I'm 910 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,200 not going to say that I understand it better than him. 911 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,480 But I'm saying the way that I understand it right now, I have 912 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,920 no problem condemning. I don't believe it. 913 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,160 Because I I know he was the one that on May 3rd, 1842, Joseph 914 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,320 Smith prepared the second floor of his red brick store in Nauvoo 915 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,880 to represent the interior temple, as circumstances would 916 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,840 permit to give people their endowments. 917 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,680 So. Let me give a recommendation for 918 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,920 people following up. I claim specifically Michelle 919 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,400 Brady Stone. I consider her a friend and a 920 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,920 sister. She's got the podcast called 132 921 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,080 Problems on YouTube. She has multiple different parts 922 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200 on the temple. I think it is part number 2 on 923 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,920 the temple, the claims of the Utah LDS endowment coming from 924 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,560 Joseph Smith. To say that the claims are weak 925 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,920 is the understatement of the year. 926 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,800 In other words. And she dived into in the 927 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,640 episode that I'm thinking of 132 Problems YouTube. 928 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,720 Michelle Brady Stone Temple Part 2. 929 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,840 The Claims of the endowment being presented in the Red Brick 930 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,960 Storehouse are highly suspect. In fact, it's overwhelmingly 931 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,160 pointed to those claims being dubious now because the Church 932 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,440 of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they're considered 933 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,120 authoritative on this history because, well, we were founded 934 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,960 by Joseph Smith. I understand why it's treated as 935 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,360 authoritative, because I treated it as authoritative my whole 936 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880 life, as soon as I get into the process of where's the original 937 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000 source. These people are absolutely full 938 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,720 of horse stuff. OK, so I I if I remember 939 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,840 correctly, wasn't it his journal that they got this from? 940 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,720 If I now that's off cuff. I don't believe the Red Brick 941 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,480 Storehouse comes from his journal. 942 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,160 I'll say this my friend Dustin Grady gave a really good 943 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,360 presentation available on YouTube if you were to type in 944 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,360 Dustin Grady Endowment. He gives a great breakdown of 945 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,000 what we know regarding the endowment while Joseph Smith was 946 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,640 alive from the teachings of Joseph Smith. 947 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,760 The short version of of that presentation is Joseph Smith was 948 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,280 preparing the Latter Day Saints to receive an endowment of power 949 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,720 similar to the one manifest in Acts Chapter 2 on the Day of 950 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,000 Pentecost. That's the endowment of power to 951 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,840 where God says here's power from heaven and it came in cloven 952 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,520 tongues of fire and and fell upon those worthy and ready to 953 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,200 receive such a thing. There was recorded an amazing 954 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,240 outpouring of the Spirit at the dedication of the Kirtland 955 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,200 Temple among many of the Latter Day Saints, but they did not 956 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,320 receive that full endowment of power the way that it's 957 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,360 described in Acts Chapter 2. That's the endowment that was 958 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,480 taught by Joseph Smith, not Masonic slitting of your throats 959 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,840 and keep a secret unto death. And so, even though it's noted 960 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,320 that and and it has the dates, that he was indeed a free Mason, 961 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,040 do. Do me a favour, click the button 962 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,480 so it's no longer sharing my screen. 963 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:53,480 Oh yes, that's OK. I thought we were still on it. 964 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,920 I thought we were still maybe gonna. 965 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,560 I didn't know. Click. 966 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,520 The button and go back again. Yes, whenever you need it, we 967 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,360 can do that and I. I don't want it to sound like an 968 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,800 excuse to where you can't trust the source of this, because 969 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,480 there I have learned the hard way. 970 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,520 Well, we can't trust a lot of things. 971 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,720 And that is disheartening, like, but that's part of why. 972 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,680 Like, when I get prayerful about it, I don't get the spirit 973 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,160 telling me at all I need to be an advocate for Joseph Smith. 974 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,360 The closest that I get to it is like, hey, I got guided to 975 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,840 examine the historical record and I at least learn for myself 976 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,560 that Joseph Smith is not the author of LDS polygamy, of Utah, 977 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,280 Mormon polygamy, and that's all about that. 978 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,480 But even then, there's certain things about Joseph Smith that I 979 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,920 don't feel any desire or even duty to stand up for. 980 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,000 The Kirtland Safety Society, that failed bank, There's no 981 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,920 evidence that I can point to that God was directing him to do 982 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,440 that, and it failed in such spectacular fashion. 983 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,360 I don't believe that he himself was trying to get rich from it 984 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,880 because he suffered greater financial loss than than he than 985 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,320 he could have if he were trying to take advantage of others. 986 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,440 But again, Joseph Smith doesn't save you or me. 987 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,720 Neither do any of the apostles of the Scriptures. 988 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,440 It's only in as much as they point the true and accurate way 989 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,560 to enter into covenant with God directly, then they should be 990 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,440 taken seriously. I believe Joseph Smith is one of 991 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,120 those who pointed to the doctrine of Christ by which we 992 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,000 can be individually become the sons and daughters of Jesus 993 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,880 Christ, and he presents us to the Father. 994 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,160 And the only reason why I bring it up is because if indeed like 995 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,760 the Bible says that if a prophet is wrong, actually he should be 996 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,040 put to death, right? Well, so so if he was wrong, 997 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,360 like about the money or about the temple thing or about 998 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,280 whatever it is, then it makes me go back to question. 999 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,360 And that's why I have you on to pick your brain because I'm 1000 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,960 less, I don't care about being right. 1001 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,440 I just want to know things right. 1002 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,400 Like I just want to have discussions so that we can 1003 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,080 figure this out. Because even if we never do, 1004 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,400 like it's so great to try. You know, like, I mean that's 1005 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,960 all we can do. Yeah. 1006 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,040 Yeah. And so I I always try to be so 1007 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,080 respectful and especially because I do like you and 1008 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,040 consider your friend, like I don't come at you like this to 1009 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,120 be like snarky or I'd listen to your. 1010 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,600 The reason why I I say this because I've watched some of the 1011 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,160 other stuff and they just pull you apart. 1012 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,720 Kinda. And I don't like it. 1013 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,440 I I'm not a fan. It's OK if you guys like it, 1014 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,160 but. For I've got a personality that 1015 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,000 can handle it. In other words, I recognize that 1016 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,080 you're that you, that you don't want to tear me down. 1017 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,480 But I am. I am somebody to wear the model. 1018 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,440 I don't have any tattoos, but if I were to get one, it might very 1019 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,960 well say say the truth no matter what 'cause I if we view Jesus 1020 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:48,000 Christ as the truth, then it is the truth no matter what. 1021 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,080 So I I highly value the sincere tearing down of whatever false 1022 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,040 traditions people can do it in a way to where it actually 1023 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,040 destroys people's foundation in a way that it never gets built 1024 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,640 up again. I am. 1025 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,240 I view myself quite regularly tearing down false traditions of 1026 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:09,280 others, but my Heavenly Father has guided me, so I'm no longer 1027 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,800 allowed to use the sledgehammer when tearing down false 1028 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,600 traditions. I get guided spiritually on how 1029 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,440 to use the framing hammer instead of the sledgehammer. 1030 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,560 And so I I do. Try. 1031 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,360 It leaves less pieces, leaves less splinters. 1032 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,160 Less less, because there's there's ways of destroying 1033 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,600 falsehoods to where people are left with nothing to build with. 1034 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,600 Right. And and no matter what, I can 1035 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,720 see that you really do dedicate your life. 1036 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,800 You're really trying to to go somewhere with God and I can see 1037 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,320 and feel that from you. So I don't I don't have any 1038 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,400 thoughts to want to splinter you, right. 1039 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,360 Like that's horrible. Let. 1040 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,560 Me say here's what I recognize is happening and this is part of 1041 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,880 why I don't get worried about people believing all the things 1042 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,080 that I believe right now. Because because of my personal 1043 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,800 recognition that the Book of Mormon is prophets of God. 1044 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,200 Having received and recorded covenants anciently that are 1045 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,840 playing out today. That great feeling of freedom is 1046 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,440 inspiring men and women to wake up to dedicate themselves to 1047 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,000 God. And they did not participate in 1048 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,440 the mass mandates the the all the jibby jabby sort of crap 1049 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,960 when President the head of the of the church corporation he 1050 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,680 might as well be Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates his policies are 1051 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,280 their policies because President Nelson the skull of Bones 1052 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,520 alumni, President Nelson worships. 1053 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,560 The and Alan Key and Alan Key 2 Secret Societies. 1054 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,720 In In other words, say this openly now. 1055 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,800 Cardin Ellis of Ward Radio used to be midnight Mormons, as well 1056 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:46,280 as Jacob Hansen, Brad Whitbeck, These millennial Latter Day 1057 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,960 Saints. The corporate Apologists, They 1058 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,760 will simultaneously be so enthusiastic. 1059 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,680 President Nelson is a prophet of God and they fold like cheap 1060 00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,120 laundry. The moment you ask why are 1061 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,880 President Nelsons policies identical to Klaus Schwab, Bill 1062 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,120 Gates, and every other satanic globalist that we know of in the 1063 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,360 world? It's because President Nelson 1064 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,000 worships the same God as Klaus Schwab. 1065 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,360 He shows you that in his policy. This is this is a repeated in 1066 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,880 the Book of Mormon. The words of Isaiah 29 to where 1067 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,000 the Lord's people, they They draw into me with their lips, 1068 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,040 but their hearts are far from me, so there's no excuse for 1069 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,760 those Mormon millennials. That's why I'm really looking 1070 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,240 forward to wrestling Jacob Hanson. 1071 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,280 Just what? I'm going to be there, 1072 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,920 everybody. If I'm going to be there. 1073 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,080 Me and my husband are coming. We are. 1074 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,360 We are booked. Word. 1075 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,000 I feel like, 'cause I feel like I I feel like it is such utter 1076 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,640 horseshit for Jacob Hanson to to claim that President Nelson is a 1077 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,720 prophet of God while he becomes so in like, I'm gonna just put 1078 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,920 together a compilation clip and clip this by itself as he 1079 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,520 becomes so scared of him and to talk about what comes from Jesus 1080 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,120 Christ. It I I I want to say this as 1081 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,200 repeatedly as possible because for one thing, I care about 1082 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,520 Cardinalis and Brad Whitbeck. Jacob Hansen. 1083 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,480 He's more annoying, but because I care about them. 1084 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,200 It's because he's another Jacob. They they need to continue to be 1085 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,680 absolutely ashamed of their cowardice in talking about 1086 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,120 whether President Nelson's policies come from Jesus Christ 1087 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,360 or not. They need to stop pretending 1088 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,480 that they belong to Jesus Christ Church if they cannot answer 1089 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,560 whether President Nelson follows Jesus Christ. 1090 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,160 Yeah, yeah. If they can't stand for that, I 1091 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,040 mean that it makes it hard to really honestly trust them. 1092 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,960 I know that sounds kind of cruel in a way, but like when I speak 1093 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,000 to you, I don't think you're trying to mislead me or you're 1094 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,440 telling me how you feel about something that is affecting you 1095 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,320 your way and I can respect that. If they could do the same, then 1096 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,600 they should be able to raise their hand to the square Jacob 1097 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,040 to say that he is the one. If they are doing that, then 1098 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,760 that is. I would totally, totally support 1099 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:02,960 you if you were to say Jacob. How? 1100 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,400 In other words, when you're bringing up different 1101 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,360 scriptures, I recognize you're giving a form of saying, how is 1102 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,800 this in harmony with the word of God? 1103 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,960 Like, if you you can and should hold me accountable. 1104 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,400 If I'm teaching things that are clearly out of harmony with what 1105 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,120 Jesus Christ teaches, I not only respect that, I applaud it and I 1106 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,440 wish more people would do it. Corporate Latter Day Saints like 1107 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,480 Jacob Hansen and Carden Ellis, they do not want to talk about 1108 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,440 what Jesus. Christ, when I've watched them 1109 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,560 with you on a few things, it's more about like, being right. 1110 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,040 I don't really care if I never am right or you're never right. 1111 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,360 We're just talking about this because we've both been deceived 1112 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,200 regardless, right? At the end of the day, we both 1113 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,400 feel the same way about the mainstream church and that is 1114 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,000 hello and that is very important, right? 1115 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,000 Like, I mean at the end of the day, like we have to say, OK, 1116 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,520 this is you. You stood up and and left a life 1117 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,920 that you know you didn't have to do that they. 1118 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,800 Actually didn't lead. They excommunicated me and I'm 1119 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,760 still. Like you knew, right? 1120 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,240 I mean, you. Dang, you knew. 1121 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,840 I'm still waiting to be excommunicated. 1122 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,600 I want to be excommunicated because. 1123 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,400 You you want to come to church with me? 1124 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,800 Yeah, let's do it because you come and. 1125 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,600 Hang out with. Me. 1126 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,640 Right. I need to have that happen, 1127 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,240 because then I won't be married for time and all eternity to the 1128 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,320 guy that left me in the dust for his girlfriend. 1129 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,760 So that would be lovely. But that's no reason to do with 1130 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,400 why I'm not a Mormon. Like, people are fallible. 1131 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,120 Let's be honest. If you ever leave any kind of 1132 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,440 church because of a person that's on you, like that's 1133 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,560 that's not that's silly, you know? 1134 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,280 Knock down my green screen, 'cause then you'll see all my 1135 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,920 food storage. I just see the kiddos. 1136 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,080 They're cute. I I have so many kids that it's 1137 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,600 always funny to me. So I'm like, yeah, that's fine. 1138 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,920 Usually when people have kids and I'm on, they'll they'll end 1139 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,360 up in in waving or something, 'cause I think they know I'm a 1140 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,080 mom. They're like, this lady seems 1141 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,640 like she knows where food is. No, just kidding. 1142 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,160 Yeah, but that's. What's like you and I are 1143 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,680 probably in far more agreement regarding things that should be 1144 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,640 condemned in the corporate Church of Jesus Christ the 1145 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,320 Latter Day Saints and the reason I call it a corporation is 1146 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,000 because it is. That is how it is legally 1147 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,320 identified. And and the doctor. 1148 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,320 Let me share one from the doctor and covenants if you could share 1149 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,880 my screen absolutely. 11 more time No. 1150 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,520 You're fine. Because it's quite clear, like 1151 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,960 what the gospel, what the Church of Jesus Christ actually is. 1152 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,840 I'm pretty sure it's 610. Come on, let's do this. 1153 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,520 Maybe it's 10/6. Oh, I'm getting. 1154 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,440 I'm getting my sections wrong. I'm pretty sure it's it's 1155 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,880 section 10 where it says what my church is. 1156 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,400 I'd see. This is why I need my. 1157 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,240 Hey, you're better than me. I always know what they say, but 1158 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,360 not where they are. I'm like, oh, that one 1159 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,360 scripture. Stop sharing my screens so I 1160 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,440 don't make a so I don't make an answer for myself. 1161 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,880 In other word, the Doctrine Covenants teaches quite clear 1162 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,600 that those who repent and come unto the Lord and they're 1163 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,840 baptized. That's his church. 1164 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,480 And if anybody teaches more or less than that, they are not of 1165 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,840 Jesus Christ Church and so like so, my stake president. 1166 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,120 They're really cute. I'm sorry. 1167 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,880 Yeah, I know, we're supposed to be serious, but they're cute. 1168 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,600 But see, they got a My wife is 6 feet tall from Peru. 1169 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:30,920 Oh, wow. It's yeah. 1170 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,840 So I got little brown babies. Oh, these these stinks feet. 1171 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,800 Is the. Wow, that's what I was. 1172 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,720 Saying here's the reason that I got excommunicated the stake 1173 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,800 president Cam Ryan when when I when I told him like, hey, 1174 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,800 here's what I learned regarding Joseph Smith not being a 1175 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,760 polygamist. He instantly says what would 1176 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,760 President Nelson say if he was here. 1177 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,800 He didn't care it like he like the same thing that I shared 1178 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,360 with at the beginning. Here's people understood my 1179 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,080 background. He points to the picture of 1180 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,320 President Nelson on his wall but what he's saying like why would 1181 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,720 I care? What does he have to do with? 1182 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,440 This. Yeah, that's just the guy, like. 1183 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,440 And his his position was if you and this is literally I'm 1184 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,840 paraphrasing his direct or M Ryan specifically says if you 1185 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,680 don't believe what's published on the church website, you're 1186 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,480 not following President Nelson. He zero times talked about Jesus 1187 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,520 Christ until he got embarrassed, like literally in the when they 1188 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:31,160 held the disciplinary council, he spent five freaking minutes 1189 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,080 talking about exaltation through the brethren. 1190 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,960 And because I don't believe that, it's like, dude. 1191 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,680 What That's what the problem is. That's like what the That's the 1192 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,240 biggest focus point out of everything that happened. 1193 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,000 Like, literally my Bishop, Key Glenn and the state president, 1194 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,520 Cam Ryan. They don't ever talk to me. 1195 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,120 They I used to be the Golden Boy of the stake where Cam Ryan was 1196 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,800 playing videos of Pete George and assignments. 1197 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,720 Look what he's doing in the North Ogden 15th Ward, and it 1198 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,320 turns into an apostate. Just because I'm required to 1199 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,800 believe in the doctrine of many wives and concubines. 1200 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200 Otherwise President Nelson's going to frown on me in the 1201 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:05,880 afterlife. He's. 1202 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,240 Disappointed in you? You take that bull crap and 1203 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,840 shove it where the sun don't. Shine. 1204 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,480 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, and not only that, but 1205 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,840 I've noticed, like I'm very careful at my work or other 1206 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,760 places. Like if somebody finds out I 1207 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,400 have a podcast, they and they say, oh, I what's your podcast? 1208 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,920 And I always say, well, hold on, Are you an active LDS member? 1209 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,880 Because I'm not trying. I'm not trying to hurt anyone. 1210 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,520 I'm not, I'm not trying to black pill somebody that's not ready. 1211 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,080 It's not nice, you know? And if they're ready, then 1212 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,280 they'll find us, right? Like they'll find you, They'll 1213 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,760 find me. They'll find a way. 1214 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,880 God will show them the way. But like, so this happened to me 1215 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,480 at work and I, I simply said to this guy, are you LDS? 1216 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,200 And he said, well, yeah, And I said, I don't, I don't think out 1217 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,080 of respect for you, I don't think you would like it. 1218 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,480 But. But 'cause I'm an ex Mormon. 1219 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,640 And you know what? He said, Well, I would expect 1220 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,200 you to have more respect for me. And I said, what? 1221 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,360 It was such a weird conversation. 1222 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,880 I was like, what this guy to this day now, every time he sees 1223 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,160 me, like, just like with your church people, he will not make 1224 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,400 eye contact. He walks straight by me. 1225 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,160 He's so mean about it. All I did was ask. 1226 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,560 He doesn't even know what my stuff is about, 'cause I didn't 1227 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,320 tell him the name. Can I can I give you a hand? 1228 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,720 Can I give you give you a help? OK, right. 1229 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,920 I was sick. Start praying. 1230 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,800 Start praying. Specifically, Heavenly Father, 1231 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,360 do you want me? Do you want my outreach to 1232 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,200 include active Latter Day Saints? 1233 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,880 And if you recognize the response from God being yes, 1234 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,240 then start praying. How do I do it? 1235 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,840 Because, like when I have that baptism fire experience, I'm 1236 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,120 already enthusiastic to the point of being overbearing and 1237 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,720 obnoxious. Well, I wouldn't say that. 1238 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,280 It's pretty fun. I'm I'm much better now than I 1239 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,080 was. So in other words if you're 1240 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,440 outraged is to be the Latter Day Saints, here's how to get your 1241 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,760 mandate from the Lord and get instructed by him. 1242 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,160 I remember about six months after that experience, it's 1243 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:15,000 coming up summertime of 2020 and and I'm forcing conversations 1244 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,120 every chance that I get. And I would say 19 times out of 1245 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,760 20, it's people who never want to talk to me again. 1246 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,320 If there's social media, they'll block me. 1247 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,640 If it's in person, they'll avoid ever having contact with me. 1248 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:31,200 Oh my God, conversation of time. But but there would be about one 1249 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,120 time in 20 to where somebody would have a fire light in their 1250 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,720 own heart. They would call upon God for 1251 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,560 themselves and they would have experiences and their life would 1252 01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,000 change. Dude, one in 20 is 5%. 1253 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,760 That's pretty darn good. And so, so I'm prayerfully. 1254 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,320 So I've learned how to like, prayerfully present my heart and 1255 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,960 my mind to my Heavenly Father for correction. 1256 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,520 I remember praying, specifically Heavenly Father. 1257 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,800 I feel like I'm damaging a whole lot of relationships. 1258 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,080 If you want me to go about it this way, I'm totally willing to 1259 01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,400 do it. Because one and 20. 1260 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:04,400 That ain't bad, right? It's still, it's still saving. 1261 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,760 And that's the point. Like, I still feel like, I mean 1262 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,200 that's why it's so important for me on the occult end of this, 1263 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,120 like because we have to go for character, right? 1264 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,880 Like I'm, I'm like, OK, what about the House of a Brac stuff? 1265 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,760 What about this magical stuff? What about this? 1266 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,520 What about that? Because if it plays in or the 1267 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,640 Masonry, if it plays into it, then do we believe the book that 1268 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,840 was brought forth from this family? 1269 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,920 Yeah. In other words, is the Book of 1270 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,960 Mormon a part of that? I don't find any connection to 1271 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,240 it other than being able to say, well, this is the history we're 1272 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,800 attributing to Joseph Smith. Let me I want to give you stuff 1273 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,200 so you can start reaching your latter to Saint. 1274 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,000 Because here's what happened to me as soon as I prayed, Is this 1275 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,240 how I'm supposed to do it? My Heavenly Father, I could feel 1276 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,400 him telling me like chill out and listen to my voice the next 1277 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,560 time that it was a potential conversation that I normally 1278 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,400 would just force because I wanted to right? 1279 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,280 I I would either from that point forward I I describe it as the 1280 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,880 red light or the green light. I would either recognize my 1281 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,960 Heavenly Father, give me the the normally saying something to the 1282 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,320 effect of don't worry, this one is not your responsibility and I 1283 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,600 would leave it alone and and just talk about mixed martial 1284 01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,279 arts or whatever, whatever was fun to talk about. 1285 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,680 Yeah. But then there'd be the times 1286 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,200 where the Spirit would say, don't hold back and I have the 1287 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,800 green light. And as soon as I paid attention 1288 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,279 to that, nine times out of 10, it is overwhelmingly positive 1289 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,040 and it and it causes somebody to reflect. 1290 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,040 Now what I point out to the Latter Day Saints every single 1291 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,120 time. Almost almost every single time. 1292 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,720 I'll ask, Hey, when's the last time you've read the book of 1293 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,800 Jeremiah and Latter Day Saints do not read the Old Testament. 1294 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:44,200 They check. They. 1295 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,319 Definitely do not, yeah. It's been a while and I I'd say 1296 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,160 can I give you the brief rundown? 1297 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,319 Oh sure, because we're already having fun in the conversation. 1298 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,680 I've got a little bit of trust established and I would point 1299 01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:01,680 out the book of Jeremiah is parallel to 1st Nephi chapter 1300 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,680 one. It's quite likely that Jeremiah 1301 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,720 is the prophet that Lehi heard in first Nephi chapter one. 1302 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,720 You have millions of the Lord's covenant people. 1303 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,479 The temple is in the heart of the nation, with sacrifices 1304 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,000 going on day and night. The leaders in charge of the 1305 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,560 temple in the synagogues are the most powerful and respected 1306 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,800 people in the entire nation. They have a long history of 1307 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,160 prophets and of prophesying. They can give reasons for all of 1308 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,840 their religious observances. And yet, what's God about to do? 1309 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:40,160 He's going to have all of them destroyed, scattered or enslaved 1310 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,800 if they don't turn their hearts to God. 1311 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,840 That's chapter one of the Book of Mormon because it represents 1312 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,720 the status of the Latter Day Saints today. 1313 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,520 And when I hit them that clearly and and they realized, like, 1314 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,080 because I, I very prayerfully asked Heavenly Father, how do I 1315 01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,640 teach it in a way that it's too simple to misunderstand. 1316 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,360 The covenant people of God in Jeremiah is like I'm singing in 1317 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:09,280 the choir and I'm going to the synagogue, Jeremiah And in 1318 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,320 Jeremiah chapter one, which is parallel to book of to 1st Nephi 1319 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,240 chapter one, the first chapter in the Book of Mormon, chapter 1320 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,720 one, he says, the Lord says all of my people have gone astray, 1321 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,280 all of them. And then in chapter 2 the Lord 1322 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,200 says the people that you call prophets are prophesying but the 1323 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:30,320 child sacrificing power of Baal. That's Jeremiah 2 verse 8 and we 1324 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,600 are shown that because it represents the Lord's covenant 1325 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,240 people again today, outwardly they will say God this and God 1326 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,040 that's, Jesus this and Jesus that, while they are 1327 01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:46,080 participating in the darkest of evil rituals that have been from 1328 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,280 the get go. And if we don't wake up to that 1329 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,560 awful situation, if Latter Day Saints don't wake up to that, 1330 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,640 it's because they do not believe what is taught in the Book of 1331 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,840 Mormon. So, and that's part of why I get 1332 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,280 so passionate about it, is to hold Latter Day Saints 1333 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,920 accountable for turning their hearts to God rather than this 1334 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,840 absolute bull crap fake worship of the Brethren. 1335 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,160 Right. It is very not very patriarchal 1336 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,440 situation. I do believe Brigham Young 1337 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:17,280 brought that forth because I do not believe Joseph Smith was 1338 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,360 like that. I do think he was more of an 1339 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,880 equalitist. He was, you know, not. 1340 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,520 Yeah he was. He brought women into if, if OK 1341 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,320 if. I don't know with for you. 1342 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,400 I don't know if you believe this. 1343 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,320 But if he was the one that introduced the Masonic rites, OK 1344 01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,440 for the temple endowment, he's the first one to give him to 1345 01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:42,240 women. He was equal across the board in 1346 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,800 my opinion. I mean, that's just one thing I 1347 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:45,720 can say. I know you don't. 1348 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,960 I I know you believe that. I am not informed enough 1349 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,440 specifically on the Masonic history to have as to have a 1350 01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:57,840 conclusion regarding Joseph. I But he was. 1351 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,160 If he did that, he was very equal. 1352 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:01,960 Yeah. I mean women I. 1353 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,480 Strongly suspect that the Masonic elements are attributed 1354 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:07,960 to Joseph Smith the same way that the polygamist elements are 1355 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,280 all right. Gotcha. 1356 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,600 And I mean, his wife, he everybody kind of knew that he 1357 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:18,360 was partial to her and she did have a say so in things like 1358 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,480 everybody kind of knew that. And so I don't think he was some 1359 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,680 crazy patriarchal person like how Brigham Young was. 1360 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,840 I really don't. If you want to see Latter Day 1361 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,560 Saints squirm, just tell them. Will you read out loud all of 1362 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,600 Doctrine and Covenant Section 130. 1363 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,320 The one and only document in the world seems to be Joseph Smith 1364 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,480 teaching polygamy in verse one. This is the principle and 1365 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,600 doctrine of many wives and concupines and and you start to 1366 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,240 ask, OK, so do you have a testimony that God authorizes 1367 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,480 one man to take wives away from one man and give them to 1368 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,360 another. Do you have a testimony that 1369 01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,000 Jesus Christ is the author of that and it and it becomes 1370 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,480 obvious like even the even the the corporate apologist like a 1371 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:09,040 like a Brad Whitbeck and Cardin Ellis and and Jacob Hansen. 1372 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,520 They don't need what is taught in the doctrine covenant section 1373 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,720 132 and if they do they keep it a secret, especially from their 1374 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,200 wives. I've been see and that's that's 1375 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,240 been a sad thing to learn regarding men of the church in 1376 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,680 general. Oh we know that this is true but 1377 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,880 clearly we can't say it out loud. 1378 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,760 No if it's from God you can say it out loud unless you're given 1379 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,480 instructions otherwise. But generally this sort of like 1380 01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:35,720 secretism regarding doctrines that's how Satan works. 1381 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,920 You keep it secret into the nation, then you rule with an 1382 01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,280 iron fist. Right. 1383 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,200 And I do think that dynamic changed a lot when Brigham took 1384 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,080 over the church. I mean you can clearly see it 1385 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,000 and and the Reformed Church, the the RLDS like the reorganized 1386 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,280 one, I mean, I don't think it's even close to the same as far as 1387 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,480 the oppression and how long it took to kind of make things more 1388 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:05,760 equal in that church as it did for the mainstream, right. 1389 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,920 Like, I mean they were able to go forward a lot quicker because 1390 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:14,040 they didn't have that weird iron fist business going on like 1391 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,440 you're mentioning and Brigham was the king of that. 1392 01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,440 They don't call him bloody Brigham for nothing. 1393 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,280 I mean, he's a situation, you know, as. 1394 01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,280 I try to put things together. I recognize the men of God who 1395 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,120 have legitimate experiences with him. 1396 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,760 They waste and wear out their lives teaching other people how 1397 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,320 to do the same for themselves. Yeah, well, and here's one 1398 01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,800 little nod to your polygamy part. 1399 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,000 For Brigham, he was supposed to go forth and replenish the earth 1400 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,800 and have all these children with these women. 1401 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,760 But he failed miserably. Less than one kid per wife. 1402 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,520 Less than. Like, I'm triple, triple the the 1403 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,160 Replenisher that Brigham was. Right. 1404 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,920 And that's not normal, like why he's a A1 and done like 1405 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,880 obviously. Even think about this the the 1406 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,640 whether it's the closeted LDS polygamist of today or whether 1407 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,760 it's the actual practicing fundamentalist polygamist. 1408 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,640 That method is the animalistic base nature throughout the 1409 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,800 mammal Kingdom. It is that small group of alpha 1410 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,320 males who will be the only ones in charge of reproduction at the 1411 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,040 expense of any others who aren't as strong. 1412 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,600 That's the system that Brigham Young was setting up, but the 1413 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,920 system from the get go where Adam and Eve are placed in the 1414 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,720 garden. It was them Twain cleaving unto 1415 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,520 one another having nobody else. It was repeated in Doctrine and 1416 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,760 Covenant, Section 42, verse 10 to where cleave unto your wife 1417 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:46,760 singular and none else. Because like as a man it I've 1418 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,960 known since I was a teenager and probably even before that. 1419 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:54,040 Like how attractive ladies are and the the the base nature of 1420 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,240 just there's no way around it. Primal. 1421 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,400 Yeah, primally. Men are visually stimulated. 1422 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,640 We're built that way, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. 1423 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,880 But we have to. We have to remember God requires 1424 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,120 us to be disciplined. We are not part of the animal 1425 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,280 Kingdom. If we are to be sons and 1426 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,360 daughters of God, we learn how to discipline ourselves and hold 1427 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,720 it in the right order. Be and be. 1428 01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,680 I've had to learn to just be completely forthright with my 1429 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,760 maker regarding my natural shortcomings, and I recognize he 1430 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,840 doesn't condemn before. Like he knows the way that I was 1431 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:27,320 built. Nope. 1432 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,120 Quick anecdote When I was the young men's leader of the 1433 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:36,080 teenagers in Albuquerque, NM, years ago, talking to these 1434 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,520 young teenagers who are who are in the first few years of 1435 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,800 hormones exploding and and spontaneous erections and things 1436 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,360 like that, I would talk to them quite openly. 1437 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,320 It's it's and I and I knew how to put at a level that they 1438 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,880 would understand that would be appropriate. 1439 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,720 Where I'd say, hey, have you guys ever seen a male dog? 1440 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,720 When he gets a whiff of a female dog who's in heat, who's about 1441 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,880 to reproduce, he's like, yeah, does he have any control over 1442 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,200 his brain going wild? I recognize. 1443 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,800 No. It's like you guys are built 1444 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,880 with similar sort of responses. You're not to be ashamed of 1445 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,160 that. But are you dogs? 1446 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,160 And. And so we understand. 1447 01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,800 And I would and and I could tell there was so much relief that 1448 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,520 they don't have to be ashamed how their body naturally 1449 01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:21,200 functions but also felt like a sense of confidence in yeah, 1450 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,720 learning how to discipline, learning how to control it. 1451 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,120 That's why I I don't have any sympathy for those who promote 1452 01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,200 Brigham Young's animalistic tendencies. 1453 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,280 Yeah. Yeah, it was. 1454 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,360 I I definitely believe it went off the rails regardless of what 1455 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,040 happened before that. It went way far off the rails at 1456 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,720 that point. And then, you know, it just kept 1457 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,120 going. I mean, of course it did money 1458 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,000 wise and everything. I mean, a lot of people joke 1459 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,320 with me when I talk with them about Mormonism and they're 1460 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,040 like, it's like the mob. And I'm like, you're not wrong. 1461 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,880 I mean. I've got a couple of friends who 1462 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,600 are contractors. One of them's an older dude, one 1463 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:06,000 of them's somewhat younger and they have the kind of projects 1464 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,000 that they take on from time to time is $490,000 to put a below 1465 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,440 ground basketball court in a general authority's home because 1466 01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:15,680 what else is he going to do? What happens over and over again 1467 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,240 is in their general authority's so-called ministry duties on 1468 01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,400 behalf of the corporation. Oh, you know that this temple is 1469 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,840 going to go in or these projects are going to happen and they 1470 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,200 build shell companies and give the contracts to themselves or 1471 01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,880 those or those who are associated with them so that 1472 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,840 they become rich and richer and richer through their cult, 1473 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,720 so-called building up the Kingdom of God. 1474 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,320 In other words, it becomes the back door deals by which they 1475 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,840 enrich themselves. I would if if people can't visit 1476 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,680 in person, at least go to Google Maps right now, look up the 1477 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:53,800 Draper UT Temple and just scroll through the streets surrounding 1478 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,120 that temple. It is all luxurious millionaire 1479 01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:58,880 mansions. And as you go into some of these 1480 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,640 coves, you see the palatial mansions that surround the 1481 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,840 temple again and again in Utah and in other places. 1482 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,800 It'll be we know that this luxurious building, this temple 1483 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,280 is going to be built. So they buy up all the 1484 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,640 properties around it and enrich themselves. 1485 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,560 That's the Kingdom that they serve and it's it ain't going to 1486 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,400 last much longer. No, I I definitely think that 1487 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,600 there's been an awakening as far as the mainstream LDS church 1488 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,360 goes. I do see that, and I I always 1489 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,640 hope for people to come to God, you know, just read the Bible 1490 01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:39,800 like you said, Talk to God, pray, you know, get real with 1491 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,560 it. Like get on your knees, you 1492 01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:42,720 know? I don't know. 1493 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,000 LDS people in general don't like to talk about the gospel. 1494 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,640 They just like to repeat certain things. 1495 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,120 They should ask their bishops, Hey Bishop, can I obtain a 1496 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,040 saving relationship of with Jesus Christ outside of the 1497 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,760 church and the bishops if it. If they realize that they're 1498 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,720 going to be held accountable for the answer they will never say 1499 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,360 yes. In other words salvation does 1500 01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,960 not exist on a personal level and that was my my stake 1501 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,720 president. He was with his counselor Mark 1502 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,920 Mahlen as they were about to call me in for a disciplinary 1503 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,600 council. This is like their pre interview 1504 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,160 to see if it was needed when I just asked like. 1505 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,960 Can I obtain a saving relationship with Jesus Christ 1506 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,960 if I don't believe President Nelson is a prophet, 'cause they 1507 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,800 kept just pointing to President Nelson 0 Jesus. 1508 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,880 No, you cannot. And I turned to his counselor. 1509 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,200 Is that is that true? And yes, it's true You cannot. 1510 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,080 And they they are literally double down in testimony 1511 01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,000 representing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 1512 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:42,040 above my stake, saying I cannot be saved by Jesus Christ unless 1513 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,760 I have the proper opinion of President Nelson. 1514 01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,840 That is the exclusive reason they called a disciplinary 1515 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,280 council is because they couldn't get me to. 1516 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,440 Oh, President Nelson, please save me. 1517 01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,400 Right. And then the fact is, is I I 1518 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,440 mean, yes, he may be the president of that church, but 1519 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:03,240 that doesn't mean just like the Pope of the other church, just 1520 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,840 like many other leaders, the absolute power corrupts 1521 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,080 absolutely. And there's never been a time or 1522 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:14,040 a place that that doesn't occur. It is just how things are. 1523 01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:20,520 I mean, I wished it wasn't, you know, but so far it's 100% 1524 01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,120 usually, you know, it's pretty good odds it will, it will 1525 01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,200 corrupt and so. I'm looking for it right now. 1526 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:32,680 Let's see in second Nephi Chapter 9 where Jacob the the 1527 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,840 younger brother of Nephi. He's given his talk to the 1528 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,320 people regarding the Kingdom of God and he points out. 1529 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,720 Do you want me to add it? Yeah, add it. 1530 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:45,840 I'm fine. With that, there we go. 1531 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,320 Specifically, But in other words, This is why I love the 1532 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,760 teachings of the Book of Mormon. There we go, verse 41. 1533 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,360 Oh then my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord the Holy One. 1534 01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,160 Remember that his paths are righteous. 1535 01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,560 Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a 1536 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,760 straight course before him. And the keeper of the gate is 1537 01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:09,120 the Holy One of Israel, Jesus Christ, and he employeth no 1538 01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,520 servant there. And there was another another 1539 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,960 way, save it be by the gate. And he cannot be deceived. 1540 01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,640 For the Lord God is his name. In other words, there ain't no 1541 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,560 President Nelson or Saint Peter or anybody else that's standing 1542 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,680 there at the gate. It is exclusively Jesus Christ. 1543 01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,520 And have we learned in this life to hear and follow his voice? 1544 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,400 President Nelson cannot follow him. 1545 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,720 For me, it has to be me personally and again, like Cam 1546 01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,480 Ryan, like he he is so my stake president. 1547 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:40,280 I've never met a more insecure man when it comes to discussing 1548 01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,440 the teachings of Jesus Christ because his God is President 1549 01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,400 Nelson, that's the only one that he would point to. 1550 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,960 He has never once talked to me about Jesus Christ or the 1551 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:51,760 teachings of Jesus Christ zero times. 1552 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,560 Same with my Bishop, Pete, Glen. That's That's unfortunate, 1553 01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,960 because that's the whole problem with Mormonism in general. 1554 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,160 And see and and I'm hoping that people can identify. 1555 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,320 It's because the corporation known as the Church of Jesus 1556 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,920 Christ of Latter Day Saints institutionally rejects the 1557 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,320 teachings of the Book of Mormon. Latter Day Saints who believe 1558 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,240 and who know what the Book of Mormon teaches and embrace it, 1559 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,360 They follow Jesus Christ exclusively. 1560 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:26,040 They exercise faith that Jesus Christ alone is the only way for 1561 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:30,640 salvation, but but instead, yeah, they abandoned that. 1562 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,720 There's no man, yeah, There's no man between you and God there, 1563 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,640 where there should be and whether you're a woman or not. 1564 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,120 But I I feel confident teaching the doctrine of Jesus Christ 1565 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,320 from the scriptures, the Old Testament, and the New 1566 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,240 Testament. It's there, but I feel like it 1567 01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,040 is the clearest on how to give God our broken heart and 1568 01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,320 contrite spirit and be baptized by fire and by the Holy Ghost. 1569 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,000 I find those teachings to be the clearest in the Book of Mormon. 1570 01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:00,960 And I think that as long as people recognize, like the power 1571 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,440 of any religion, we're not just going to say Mormonism. 1572 01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:09,760 It could be any religion that's high up, big, fat, powerful, 1573 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,760 wealthy. Just you don't have to look far. 1574 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,040 I mean, they get into some weird things. 1575 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,200 It gets ritualistic. It gets all about money. 1576 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,960 It gets to be political, yeah. When you start lining up with 1577 01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:28,080 the World Economic Forum, like we've got problems, you know. 1578 01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,600 You see the new Director of Communications for the for the 1579 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:36,280 LDS Corporation, it's a it is a a recent World Economic Forum 1580 01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,560 alumni. Wow. 1581 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,000 And and why does that not surprise me? 1582 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,040 Because because satanic people like President Nelson, Skull and 1583 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:49,160 Bones, Owl and Key, they recruit from among their own ranks, 1584 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,720 President Nelson and the new communications director. 1585 01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,440 They serve the same God as Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, and the rest 1586 01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:59,840 of them. Yeah, no, that's not, that's not 1587 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,120 what we're supposed to be doing. Like, that's not that's not 1588 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,240 going to align with God's plan for anyone. 1589 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,200 I'm pretty certain. To eat the bugs is not what God 1590 01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:12,320 really wanted us to do. Out loud when I say those 1591 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,880 things, hoping that my that my corporate Mormon friends want to 1592 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,480 talk to me about. I know that they won't want to, 1593 01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,080 but they realize it is indefensible to claim that 1594 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,840 President Nelson is a prophet of God while squirming and hiding 1595 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,720 at at the idea. OK, Do you trust other members 1596 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,960 of Skull and Bones, in other words? 1597 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,560 In other words, they are guaranteed. 1598 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,520 This is another thing that's just so clear in the Book of 1599 01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,200 Mormon. If you build your foundation on 1600 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,480 those, it's guaranteed to collapse. 1601 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,840 Yeah, it's definitely not not the path you want to take you 1602 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,720 you're. I mean, regardless of what path 1603 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,160 you do take, I don't think that's the one. 1604 01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:50,760 Like, let's be realistic here. God didn't put us here to do 1605 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,080 what? Serve others. 1606 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,320 And you know, we're supposed to be serving for real, not not 1607 01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,160 being under a foot, having our back being stomped on. 1608 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:05,240 It's supposed to be a service like help helping up, right? 1609 01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,040 We're supposed to help each other up, not stomp each other 1610 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,320 down. That's that blows my mind. 1611 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,360 But not, not so much with the Mormon church. 1612 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,840 But they're not hiding a lot anymore. 1613 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,080 They've kind of gone away from that and it's weird to me. 1614 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,800 I think they've made the they have officially made the deals 1615 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,240 by which they plan to enter this new age of humanity. 1616 01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:28,960 So they they care very little about what they may have 1617 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,720 proclaimed as truth in the past. Wow. 1618 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,000 Yeah, that's actually scary. With the power that they do have 1619 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:40,640 and the knowledge and different items that they own because of 1620 01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,720 the fact that they're so involved in genealogy and, you 1621 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,560 know, people's family bloodlines, it just really makes 1622 01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,680 you wonder what they're up to. I don't. 1623 01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,200 I don't think it's good. For those who are wondering what 1624 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:57,080 they're up to, I will recommend first Nephi chapters 11 through 1625 01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,920 14. Yeah, it's not good. 1626 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,920 I don't think so. So with that I I think this was 1627 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,440 a good talk. I I was really happy that you 1628 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,760 came on and I wanted to be respectful of you and actually 1629 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,440 get your story. You could have been far more 1630 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:15,840 cantankerous, and I would have loved you all the more for it. 1631 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,360 I. Know I I actually appreciate 1632 01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,000 where you're coming from because at the end of the day our enemy 1633 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,160 is very similar, right, We're we're all against the Cabal, so. 1634 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,280 We'll get a hangout in the same FEMA camp. 1635 01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:33,760 Right, Maybe. Well, I know we might get a 1636 01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,840 hangout soon. Where's that going to be again? 1637 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:36,640 April 6th? It's. 1638 01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,080 Going to be April 6th, powerhouse MMA. 1639 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:40,440 Find me on Facebook. Facebook. 1640 01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:42,760 I'm going to be putting the link up a very soon so you can buy 1641 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,120 tickets. There's going to be food, 1642 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,720 There's even going to be like scriptorian contest. 1643 01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,680 So if you feel like you're a beefcake and and your scriptural 1644 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,400 knowledge, there's going to be some of that. 1645 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,920 But get on out there powerhouse MMA April 6th, look me up on 1646 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,760 Facebook and I'll send you all the info. 1647 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:01,040 But yes, you show up and you can decide which of Jacob Hansen's 1648 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,360 limbs I will bring home with me. Ouch. 1649 01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:10,480 I feel bad for him. Well, we will be there and let 1650 01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,360 them know one more time where they can find you without limbs, 1651 01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,720 without Jacob. 'S limbs on YouTube look up 1652 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,120 disciple of Christ or on Facebook, just type in Jacob 1653 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,480 Isbell, Capital B in Isbell and and I will. 1654 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,840 And if you send me a friend request, I will be messaging you 1655 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,400 saying I can be forgetful. To what do I owe the pleasure of 1656 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,480 your friend request? And he will probably accept it 1657 01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:35,920 because he's a very nice guy, so you'll want to follow him for 1658 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,040 all this fun stuff. And we. 1659 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:39,520 I mean, who wants to miss a fight? 1660 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,120 Who wants to miss that? Not me. 1661 01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:45,760 Participate in one. Well, I got your back. 1662 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,160 You can tap me out if you're. When people ask what would Jesus 1663 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,920 do, Just realize overthrowing the tables of the money changers 1664 01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,800 and violently kicking out the religious Snooty that is among 1665 01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,440 the realm of possibilities. I completely support Jesus's 1666 01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:05,000 method in getting the the evil money men driven out with 1667 01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,720 violence. And there it is folks. 1668 01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,960 Jacob Isabel. And he's what you call a new MO. 1669 01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,920 Find his channel For more information and I'll be dropping 1670 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,600 the links below in the show notes as well. 1671 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,360 Thank you so much and have a blessed night. 1672 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,000 Blessed. Blessed. 1673 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:22,520 See, That was fun, wasn't it?