1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:01:17,320 Hello, welcome to the Exodus. The. 2 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,280 Welcome, do I start? You want me to do it? 3 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,480 I thought Paranoid American is going to intro. 4 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Oh, I feel like this is this is the ultimately asserted think 5 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,280 tank. Oh my Lord. 6 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,760 Well, let's say luckily we have the very illustrious Miss 7 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,240 Illustrious herself, the Unfiltered Rise podcast hosts 8 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,400 with the most How you love the woman who's done more for 9 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Mormonism than Trey Parker or Matt Stone combined, I think. 10 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Well, that's an intro. Thank you. 11 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,600 I'm happy to be here. As always, I love talking some 12 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,760 Mormon talk. And what good are we without 13 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,280 Mormons in this chat today? I won't ruin it. 14 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Right. Like John D? 15 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Yeah, he's got a stone. He talked to angels. 16 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,000 What the hell? Right, we wouldn't. 17 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,720 You know, it's funny because when I was a kid, I used to 18 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,920 think it's crazy how they won't like the missionaries. 19 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,960 Like Protestant missionaries go to like Africa. 20 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,120 And then they, they tell you, hey, if you read our Bible, then 21 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,840 we'll feed you, you know, and that's basically their whole 22 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,240 deal is like, we'll let you eat food if you like, learn about 23 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,640 John 316, But you have to do it in God's language, English, 24 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,520 which is really weird. I always thought until I started 25 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,560 learning about Shakespeare being Edward de Vere, the Earl of 26 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,760 Oxford, and that John Dee was so important to the creation of 27 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,640 modern English. Because if you read Beowulf, the 28 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,920 way they sell it to you, and it's an old English and an 29 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,960 Anglophresian tongue, you realize that English has nothing 30 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,880 to do with English. It's like English 2 point O. 31 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,160 It's like Coca-Cola classic or something like that. 32 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,320 It's not the original, but this new. 33 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,360 Pepsi Clear. It's like Pepsi, the Pepsi, you 34 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,880 know for sure. But there's this whole, there's 35 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,480 this whole new English. We speak new English, which is 36 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,120 the Queen's language. And it's not just the Queen's 37 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,000 language, it's the Freemasons language. 38 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,440 And it's more than that. It's John D and Edward Kelly's 39 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,360 synthesis of angelic tongues, Right? 40 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Like John D created the modern English or, or you believe what 41 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,280 he said because he said something different. 42 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,560 He didn't say I came up with English. 43 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,480 He said, I put my head in a hat and I use magic rocks. 44 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,440 Sound familiar? And then I come up. 45 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,360 With this new. It's not even a new way. 46 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,560 It's atomic. It's the Enochian tongue, 47 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,680 English, English, the English, the angel's language. 48 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,240 We're speaking God's language. God being Adam, of course, as 49 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Brigham Young said so. There it is. 50 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,280 And and everyone that I talk to goes, what does John D 51 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,079 Rockefeller have to do with anything? 52 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,120 I'm like, he was the cousin of Joseph. 53 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,640 But that's not we're talk. We're not even going there 54 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,520 today. We're talking about another guy 55 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,960 and he's so hidden and it's so sad. 56 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,600 Like I, I mean, I'm not in a cultist, but I sure do read a 57 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,280 lot of books and you're. You're like an esoteric. 58 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,480 You're like. I know I'm some weirdo. 59 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,200 You're. Like the decal sink is. 60 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Is this in the capacity I look question I guess? 61 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,480 All right, you in the front. What do you have? 62 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,200 Yes, you. Enochian, the the language. 63 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Like the only time I can remember that I've ever seen 64 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,560 heard somebody speaking Enochian is recordings of Alistair 65 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Crowley. There's a few of them. 66 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,200 I have it on on on vinyl. It's a very hipster thing to 67 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,320 say, especially if you're talking about vinyl with 68 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,200 Crowley, but can? You play it backwards. 69 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,200 It's active to Chicago. Right, right, right, exactly. 70 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,840 But I don't know when you, when you, when you listen to it like 71 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000 it's, I don't know, like if it's specific to like Crowley, but 72 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,480 like, like his pronunciation is like, it feels very 73 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,400 intentionally like it's, it's feels like it's made to sound 74 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,040 like sinister or like we're like, 'cause he, he talks that 75 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,080 way anyway. So like I've actually I've been 76 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,160 pressuring Andreas a little bit to do and it didn't AI prompt to 77 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:38,240 get like Crowley's voice. So I can use it for a project 78 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,000 that I'm going. We can just. 79 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,600 We can read. That into 11 labs my friend and 80 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,400 then you just say anything you want. 81 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,080 I Yeah, well, I want, I want to do a back and forth between 82 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,000 Crowley and Jim Morrison with an American prayer in the book of 83 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,840 the law. Because if you do every other 84 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,880 line, because it's all late anyway, it's this whole that's a 85 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,840 whole you think. The OTO would try and claim 86 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:01,000 copyright. Yeah, A. 100 percent, 100%. 87 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,800 Well, there's something happening right now. 88 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,520 We discussed it recently with Weiser. 89 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,040 But so this is the problem with me. 90 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,320 If I go to discuss John D, no matter what, I'm just going to 91 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,880 find any way that I can to bring it into Crawley, because I'm 92 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,280 more familiar with Crawley than I am John D, although there's 93 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:20,240 some things to be discussed. One common, common, one major 94 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,240 commonality is like the Andreas and I have discussed many times, 95 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,040 there's a great book on the sinking of the Lusitania and 96 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Aleister Crowley's role in that and how like overtly that 97 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:37,800 relates to John Dee's goings on with the whole Armada and the 98 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,920 Queen and how that all went down. 99 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,280 So I don't know, I don't know what direction we want to go 100 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:46,520 today, but I would like to talk about the obvious stuff that 101 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,200 that we've discussed before, but I would like to go deeper into 102 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,640 it. Heidi, if you're more familiar 103 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:59,040 with the obelisk scrolling mirror thing and and all that. 104 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,920 I feel like it's also Sunday, so we have to talk about the good 105 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,960 Book of Mormon a little bit. And at least my, my introduction 106 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,960 to some of the, the reason why me and Heidi were even talking 107 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,960 about it is that she equates John D magic and Enochian and 108 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,760 all the sigils to Joseph Smith in like a very direct way. 109 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,680 And I think that that's kind of, so I would actually like to, I 110 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,440 need a refresher like what what are the similarities between 111 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,080 Joseph Smith and John D? Well, I mean, you know, if you 112 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,120 look at what Joseph had, especially with the parchments, 113 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,280 he's definitely practicing Solomonic magic. 114 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,360 But since I've talked to you all last, I did a really good deep 115 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,040 dive on Dartmouth College. They've really like to obfuscate 116 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,800 this. And it's like, wait a minute, 117 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,840 there's so much going on here that this is like critically 118 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,040 important because his cousin from both sides, Professor 119 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Johnny Smith, worked at Dartmouth College and he was a 120 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,120 professor of not only languages, but the rare book stealer. 121 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,040 And he owned the Scott of Chronicon, multiple other very 122 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,160 important books that Joseph would have had access to. 123 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,320 And I do believe he was very smart. 124 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,120 I hate, look, I don't hate Mormonism. 125 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,520 I hate what they do to Mormonism, right? 126 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Like this is they destroy it because it they want it 127 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,600 unmagical. They want to unmagic Mormons. 128 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,280 So. I confronted a couple couple 129 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Mormons at my house that were coming by relatively regularly 130 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,280 and then they switched them out. So you get used to one couple of 131 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,960 people and then they can bring and they do the now the sisters. 132 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,159 So they sent out, they sent out the girls and if there's a girl 133 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,120 around, they can come in and hang out. 134 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,280 If there's no which if you guys watch that really effed up movie 135 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,520 Heretic that came out not long ago, they do a play on that 136 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,760 where he's like, Oh, you can hear my wife like would that 137 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,760 really work? Like she's in the kitchen making 138 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,600 blueberry muffins or something, you know? 139 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,640 I don't think it would work after that show, but. 140 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,920 I was actually, I was kind of disappointed to find out from 141 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,960 these one, one of the Mormon girls in particular was very 142 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,520 knowledgeable on the more esoteric side of things. 143 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,240 So I wanted to know about the fire salamander because I was a 144 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,840 fan of the fire salamander idea. And like that whole thing is 145 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,040 much cooler than just taking the tablets out of the hat deal. 146 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,840 And I was told that that not only how like that that was 147 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,680 made-up, but like how it came. No it wasn't. 148 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,400 No it. Wasn't they went off on me for A 149 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,760 at least an hour explaining detail by detail how that 150 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,200 specifically came about and I can't? 151 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Argue they changed it. They changed it, but it was 152 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,560 originally something like a toad, and there's an affidavit 153 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:38,760 to back this up, a court document that backs this, and 154 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,360 they don't like it. And I'm going to be Devil Zack 155 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,680 here. I get crucified for it all the 156 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,920 time, and it is what it is. But I dare say they set Mark 157 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,400 Hoffman up to make that story a little better. 158 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,560 I'm sorry. And they made him die. 159 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,640 Yeah. Or they killed people died over 160 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,920 this, which is also kind. Of so you're arguing just to be 161 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,160 clear, that there is some validity to the story. 162 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,600 It was embellished and then that embellishment was taken as a 163 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,840 falsehood. Is that? 164 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,000 So what? What actually was the real and 165 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,440 remember the time frame that we have here and you have to 166 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 remember the background. The real background of Joseph 167 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,600 Smith and his family is from near Salem, Topsfield, 168 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,280 Massachusetts. We have very distinct selectmen 169 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,840 of Topsfield, you know Captain Samuel Smith, all these people. 170 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,400 But but the problem is the the Captain Samuel Smith, but his 171 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,440 father above that just Samuel Smith, he was involved in the 172 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,680 Inquisition. So the Mormons do not like to 173 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,880 speak about witchcraft because he helped hang some witches. 174 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,560 The witch he helped hang was Mary Eastie. 175 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,560 And the problem with that is, is they don't want anything to do 176 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,160 with magic anymore since since Joseph died and Brigham's 177 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,560 church, which we've spoke about many times, you know, Joseph's 178 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:57,440 church was very magical minded, but Brigham's church was not. 179 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,720 And so they changed everything. But, but think of what they did 180 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,280 with that. It's so powerful. 181 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,000 They took a witch's familiar, which is a toad, and they 182 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,920 changed that into something that's very Templar is right. 183 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,360 This, this white salamander not forged by the flame. 184 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,440 Let's get real. They, they, they made that nice 185 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,640 and they could have buried that in the vault, but they chose to 186 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,160 blast it. I remember when this came out, 187 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,760 because I'm old, that that they blasted it on the enzyme. 188 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,320 They blasted it on all these things. 189 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,560 The enzyme is the magazine that the church puts out. 190 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,800 And I remember this so clearly that they they kind of ran with 191 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,720 it. And I thought, wow, that's 192 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,520 really a weird, a weird thing to run with for the Mormons, you 193 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,280 know? Yeah. 194 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,080 So Heidi, I'm still disappointed now because I I brought out like 195 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,000 the the the manly T Hall secret teachings of all ages looked. 196 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Up they crapped and left. I, I, yeah, I showed them the 197 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,600 thing with the salamander. I read them the from multiple 198 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,000 sections of the book when that comes up in the significance of 199 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,960 it in alchemy. And I was like, I really like 200 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,240 this idea. I got to say I was kind of 201 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,400 attached to it. So you're kind of spoiling it 202 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,160 anyway because. Craft was. 203 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,000 Sorry, yeah, we got to look at the picture I put up there 204 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,400 because, like, compare the this white salamander, this is a 205 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,040 regular white salamander to Pepe. 206 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,520 And when you start thinking about the Pepe cat connection, I 207 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,040 think there's something kind of interesting there about Mark 208 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,800 Hoffman's whole thing. And you probably should know a 209 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,360 bit about Mark Hoffman because he was allegedly this great 210 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,600 recorder and archaeologist essentially. 211 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,360 And all of a sudden he's involved with the deaths of 212 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,080 important people and he's a forgery creator of forge 213 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 forgeries. And it the idea that he was just 214 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,920 up to a point putting out documents until they were trying 215 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,920 to buy all the documents they could from him. 216 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,200 You know, the the Latter Day St. Church was trying to 217 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,560 intellectual reserve, which is, by the way, the Disney company 218 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:00,480 of the Mormons. They own all of the symbolism 219 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,000 for Mormonism is intellectual reserve. 220 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,520 So intellectual reserve went and so we're going to pay millions 221 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,640 of dollars, just whatever you got. 222 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,120 We need more. And it's this weird, like 223 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,400 devil's bargain, like they're going to give him so much money. 224 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,080 He's got to produce all these documents. 225 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,360 And then they're saying, well, he's producing fake documents 226 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,880 because, you know, he can't keep up with the delivery that we 227 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,880 need like 30 or 40 documents and he's only got like 12. 228 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,760 So he has to like produce more or something like that. 229 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,520 And this person, who's it? The person that originally he 230 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,880 killed, allegedly, right? It was someone involved with the 231 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,600 documents, but but the problem with him as well is what happens 232 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,800 to him after the fact. But I'm going to let you finish 233 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:39,320 first. I just. 234 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Wanted to remember the name of the guy he supposedly killed. 235 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000 I'm trying to find it right here. 236 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,200 Murder. William E McClellan, I think is 237 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,600 the one. Or McClellan papers. 238 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,600 We don't even want to get there today. 239 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,320 Yeah. I mean, essentially there were a 240 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:04,320 number of documents that he sold to a very wealthy Mormon, right? 241 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:07,840 And then they say he possessed an unregistered Uzi machine gun 242 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,880 pistol that he used to to kill the person that was purchasing 243 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,360 the documents. And they use this to lock him up 244 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,440 essentially for the rest of his life. 245 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,880 But all right, I want to hear Heidi's version of it because I 246 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,240 think you have more to say. Well, I just know that after so 247 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,600 I have an insider that actually takes care of him at the prison 248 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,360 now. And so I know that he is still 249 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,640 there and I know what happened to him after the fact. 250 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,720 And anybody can Fact Check me on this because I fact checked him 251 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,240 because that's what you do. And so he actually stopped 252 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,680 speaking to the press. At first. 253 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,600 He was speaking to the press. This is why we actually get the 254 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Lafferty murder case and we get to know about Under the Banner 255 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,400 of Heaven, which I actually met the surviving husband the on the 256 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,200 Lafferty case and had a very in depth conversation with him. 257 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,360 But they moved forward and said, Hey, we're Mormon. 258 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,440 We'll speak to you about this. And he wouldn't Mark Hoffman was 259 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,000 like, Nah, I'm, I'm, I'm done talking to you guys. 260 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 And then we found out why he had tried to UN alive himself, 261 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,240 apparently left in maximum security unattended, not checked 262 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,000 on for over 12 hours and laying on his right arm, his writing 263 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,160 arm. And I promise you he will never 264 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,920 forge again because it is now completely neurologically 265 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,320 damaged. So after that, he shut up. 266 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,960 Yeah. It's interesting, that's all you 267 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,560 can say. You could still use the left 268 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,680 side though. I think the the biggest part of 269 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,000 being a good forger is just the the will and the commitment to 270 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,320 do it. Right. 271 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,280 He might have been teaching himself some more things like, I 272 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,120 mean, but doesn't surprise me that, you know, they've tried a 273 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,680 couple times to say he's attempted twice at least. 274 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,240 So I just find that very interesting. 275 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Knowing that I work at a psychiatric hospital as a nurse, 276 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,280 we have to check on them every 12 minutes and round on them and 277 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,960 check their breasts. And I'm, I know that it's the 278 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,440 same. It's not probably every 12 279 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,880 minutes at the prison, but it's often it's at least. 280 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,600 An hour. Whatever happened with Epstein 281 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,720 anyway? I also want to say like it was 282 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,960 confirmed by so many people before they said it was a 283 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,480 forgery. He had like the most famous, not 284 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,400 just Mormons, the most authenticated documents by some 285 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,000 of the greatest document authenticators, right 286 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,160 handwriting experts in the world like Charles Hamilton Junior. 287 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:35,080 And then the person from the Mormon church, who he's from the 288 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,960 he's from the First Presidency, Dalen H Oaks. 289 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,960 He's like, I think one of them. Isn't he basically the next 290 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,320 runner up or something? Like that I believe. 291 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,880 So he should be. He's the guy. 292 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Who's going to be the prophet next, right? 293 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,720 Assuming all goes well, assuming and, how are? 294 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:54,520 You spelling prophet. I'm a prospective member here. 295 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,480 But I mean, he, he said there's no way there's no problem. 296 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,240 Like we can easily, we can connect the salamander, this 297 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,480 white salamander to the Angel Moroni, he said. 298 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,440 You know that there's no problem with the words White salamander 299 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,079 can be reconciled with Angel Moroni because salamanderer 300 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,119 might also refer to a myth, a mythical being thought to be 301 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,520 able to live in fire. Well, it's an elemental. 302 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,200 And so we're literally talking about like a, a like it's like 303 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,400 in a dream, the way that you'll have something that you're 304 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,000 accessing, but your mind with the power of your mind is such 305 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,760 that it will, it will create a, like a, like a, like a image 306 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,640 that's like a delivery system. Like it's like, how do you 307 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,960 articulate this in a way that you could, you could actually 308 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,240 receive? And that's like the hierophantic 309 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,640 task is 1 of that you have something that's so abstract or 310 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,520 so it's spiritual in nature that how do you, what is the 311 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,400 receptacle to which you're going? 312 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,240 That's something that can provide this information to you 313 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,160 in such a way. So it's an intermediary kind of 314 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,000 like representation that your mind can give you. 315 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,520 Was my understanding of all the elementals obviously not just 316 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:11,440 the salamander, but I oh OK, this these are three different 317 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,720 books on the same thing or. These I believe it's the same 318 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,120 book. All the different publications. 319 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,840 The book with the stamp, yeah, is the one I've read and it's 320 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,400 really good. OK, so I was, I was sharing you 321 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:30,480 showed for a second Thomas, the, the, this pairing of so Jim, 322 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,920 this is crazy, but Jim Morrison's An American Prayer 323 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,920 was written in a specific way. And if you look at the actual 324 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,840 like, it's like the scans of his own handwriting, you can see the 325 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,160 way that it's laid out with, with these dashes. 326 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,560 And so there's an image there on the side. 327 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,480 So if you count these dashes, if you go through the whole thing, 328 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,760 it, it, it's very close, like one off from the first section 329 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,680 of Aleister Crowley's book of the law. 330 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,160 And so I discovered that if you, if you do, it's actually, this 331 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,440 is a kabbalistic tool that's often used just with words and 332 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,680 verse, Bible verses where they'll go every other verse in 333 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,960 order to like, they'll like you can, it's related to like if you 334 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,200 put your hands like folding your hands in prayer, like it's an 335 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,640 interweaving. So I, I interweave the text. 336 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,760 So here you have the, the king of wands, notice that there's 337 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,760 the lizard behind his back and then the lizard by his side. 338 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,720 So this is literally the lizard king, right? 339 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,520 And so, and then you have it for Crowley. 340 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,880 You have what's the first line of The thing is how the 341 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,600 manifestation of new IT right? Or however you say the Egyptian 342 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,680 goddess, that's the sky goddess that is infinite space, right. 343 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,680 And then you have Jim Morrison is known for his celebration of 344 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:47,360 the lizard is celebration the lizard a pun on is treating Newt 345 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,120 as though it's a pun on like a Newt, like a, a it's like a 346 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:54,520 salamander kind of right kind of thing. 347 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,680 So it's it's it's relatable in that way. 348 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,240 So I have, I have this, this is this is something that 349 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,800 throughout the text, there's examples of things that are just 350 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,760 unfreaking believable. Like they're, they're like, like 351 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,920 where this is a conversation between the two that gets 352 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:15,760 sometimes so specific and so direct, like Crawley saying my 353 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,360 incense. Well, Crawley's channeled work 354 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,680 saying my incense is made of resinous woods and gums. 355 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,360 And then the next line from Morrison is, is mirror box. 356 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:28,840 Are you more real than me? I'll burn you and set you. 357 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,080 Free. It's like these these these 358 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,040 line. Yeah, there you go. 359 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,080 You could just jump right into it. 360 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,000 Yeah. So, yeah. 361 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 So. Oh, and then like Crowley having 362 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,920 like and I have a secret glory for them that love me. 363 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,240 And it's in the next line is mirror mask. 364 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,840 I love you mirror. So it's like it's so specific. 365 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,960 It gets ridiculous. But yeah, I know. 366 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,600 I don't know. I just wanted wanted to share 367 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,160 that. Also that the Newt Newt is kind 368 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,360 of funny. Yeah, and just like lizard 369 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:57,480 people and Shalamanders, I remember people saying that when 370 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,280 I was a kid as a joke. But there's some things about 371 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,440 Mark Hoffman that are kind of interesting because we're we're 372 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,640 told that this is a guy who hated the Mormon church, which 373 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,200 is, First off, as far as we can tell, not true. 374 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,040 He was, I served on a mission. He was a member of the church. 375 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,320 They say he was an atheist. What? 376 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,680 But only privately, Like he privately had become kind of an 377 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,760 atheist or something. But if that's the case, then he 378 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,840 served on a mission, married in the church, his wife and him. 379 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,840 They say his, you know, wife left him and they broke up or 380 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,040 something. But when did that happen? 381 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,200 After the forgeries came to light? 382 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,720 So he was considered a good standing member of the. 383 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,120 Church never saw anything? Yeah, never, Ever. 384 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,360 And so all of a sudden he's considered to be the this, this 385 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:44,480 liar and everything else, but only after this all happens up 386 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,440 until while the church is buying these records, while Dale, Dale 387 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,120 and Oaks is presenting that it's completely possible that Moroni 388 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,960 is a lizard person. Essentially. 389 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,520 He, you know, he's all he's, he's basically considered to be 390 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,280 in and he served in Bristol too. So he went to where Brigham 391 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,960 went. You know, he's got a really 392 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,240 interesting history connecting him with the history of the 393 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Mormon church. There's, there's not a lot of 394 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,000 evidence that he was somehow like angry at the church or 395 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,960 anything like that. And he's if he's someone who's 396 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,280 so deep into the church that he's trying to create these 397 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,200 forgeries. The other thing is that there's 398 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,040 not a lot of evidence that he was supposed to be this great 399 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,600 forger because the people that are referring to this, these 400 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,240 letters as authentic, they've shown that this is some of the 401 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,120 greatest forgeries allegedly of all time. 402 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,560 This is some of the. Like everything. 403 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,200 It's too perfect to be someone who just was, you know, they, 404 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,120 they make him sound like he's just this idiot from this 405 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,840 backwards part of Utah. You know he lived in like the 406 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,200 the bottom. They like that, Yeah, they like 407 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,120 that idiot thing. But the, you know, if he's such 408 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,080 an idiot, like he did an amazing job. 409 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,160 I mean, this is one of the, this is exactly what they say about 410 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,880 Joseph Smith. Like, well, he wasn't educated, 411 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,720 so. And. 412 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Great. Well then, do it again. 413 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Remark. And. 414 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,600 Who are the people? The Tanners? 415 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,600 So the first group to say that these are forgeries are Gerald 416 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,440 and Sandra Tanner. What's Gerald's middle name? 417 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,200 Gerald D Tanner. Well, she's Brigham Young 418 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,040 progeny. She. 419 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,160 EE yeah, Sandra Tanner is related directly to Brigham 420 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,000 Young. She speaks about it often and I 421 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,240 believe she's a granddaughter or something. 422 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Just FYI on that. And for people to look up this 423 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,200 toad story. I do like to give my references 424 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,160 because people come hard at me for this because it's very 425 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,520 unbelievable. And for you to speak to your 426 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,920 missionaries in future. BH Roberts Foundation, you will 427 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,120 find this. Edie Howe, October 1834 for the 428 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:49,120 testimony affidavit of Willard Chase from September 21st, 1823. 429 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,640 If you guys want to look it up, there it is. 430 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,720 It is absolutely there. And you know, they can't say 431 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,600 that it isn't. I mean it, it is what it is. 432 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,640 And here's the problem with it is he doesn't just say it's a 433 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,120 toad. It became something like a man 434 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:08,840 and punched him in the face. So that's kind of a lot, but 435 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,480 there it is. Like you, I mean, we can't just 436 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,160 Chuck it out because it sounds crazy. 437 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,560 I know that it's not my story. I got yelled at because, you 438 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000 know, people were saying, oh, she's crazy. 439 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,120 I I've never heard this once in my life. 440 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,440 And I'm like, super cool. I'm not unhinged. 441 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,360 It's there. I'm just a better researcher 442 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:29,520 than you. Go find it. 443 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,360 Shout out old world Mick Mack. He's starting drama. 444 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,280 No, no, no. I really like him. 445 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,200 He's got great information. And and I want to. 446 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,600 Emphasize too, on like what what David was picking up on that I 447 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,680 think was the implication too, is that Hoffman, who's a forger 448 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,840 by his own, where there's a quote here. 449 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,560 When I was 12 years old, I began collecting coins. 450 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Soon afterwards figured out a crude way to fool other 451 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,920 collectors by altering coins to make them look desirable. 452 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,240 So he's ascribing between the ages and 12 and 14. 453 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,640 He perfected A forgery method for like just the coin collector 454 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,440 market. So this was a guy that was maybe 455 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,080 first and foremost a really good forger, which is something that 456 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,160 was claimed like think of Joseph Smith in some cases too, 457 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080 especially of doing like treasure, like hidden treasures 458 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,760 and finding all sorts of hidden little items and objects. 459 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,560 But but this guy Mark Hoffman, he almost seems like he has more 460 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,520 correlations to Joseph Smith too. 461 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,160 Like he kind of fits into this. Yeah, they, I mean, I can't say 462 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,320 whether he did or did not commit a crime and he was convicted of 463 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,720 it. But I will say this at that 464 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,280 time, remember, we're talking about the Inquisition before 465 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,280 this. I don't know that people would 466 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,560 put it down on paper and go to all the trouble to go be present 467 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,840 in court to give an affidavit and statements against someone. 468 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,320 And they just say it's because the Willard Chase family hated 469 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,520 The Smiths and they were neighbors. 470 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,920 Listen, Doctor Nathaniel Smith, that saved Joseph Smith's leg 471 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,720 also cousin on both sides, OK? They will say he has nothing to 472 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,120 do with the families. It's a lie. 473 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,160 You can trace it back in the genealogy, and I have. 474 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,440 And so when you go do that and see that he married Sally Chase, 475 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,520 the neighbor, OK? And there's this intermingling 476 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,160 of these families that doesn't seem all this angry or what not, 477 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,280 right? And and so it just doesn't make 478 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,920 a whole lot of sense other than the fact they were trying to 479 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480 spin it. I'm not saying that he didn't 480 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,280 forge something to help the church, but I think he did it 481 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,880 for certain reasons. I think that they saw the 482 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,480 problem, they needed to get ahead of the problem. 483 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,920 And it sounded much better for this to be a Salamander because 484 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,400 then we get into Knights Templar and we already know that there's 485 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,960 connections. They're actually through Canada, 486 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,480 which heads to make that country. 487 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,200 So anyways. So but but the point being like 488 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,640 what's if the salamander was introduced to replace the toad? 489 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,480 It's on multiple levels. One of those levels is the 490 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,440 salamanders, a better symbol for them to incorporate going 491 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,120 forward. Right. 492 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,840 Difference between alchemy and witchcraft, right? 493 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,520 It's. 1. 100 totally brings it to a witchcraft place. 494 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040 Like, so it's classic, you know what I mean? 495 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,080 Like she's got the, the boiling pot, what's the toad and the 496 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,840 hair and the, you know, yeah. Yep, and. 497 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,480 The. Hair, yes, yeah. 498 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600 If you know anything about this family, like it's not like they 499 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,440 didn't continue on. I mean, they they dug them up, 500 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,560 they made coffin canes. They cut their hair and put them 501 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,920 in the knobs and gave them out to everybody with the rotting 502 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,560 carcasses on the canes. And then his wife snipped hair 503 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,440 also and wore it till the day she died. 504 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,160 So like, let's not play that these people don't know things, 505 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,360 you know what I mean? Like that's what the church 506 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,000 hates. The church hates it. 507 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,160 And the other I'm sorry. Go ahead. 508 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,720 I was going to quickly say like, so the idea that he confessed, 509 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000 right? So at a certain point you have 510 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 the attorneys for the intellectual reserve that are 511 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,080 working against Mark Hoffman and they're making a plea bargain. 512 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,280 So in the plea bargain, they're going to say, you have to say 513 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,080 that this was a forgery. If you want to reduce the, we're 514 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,240 going to, we'll drop some of these charges against you. 515 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,160 We already have you dead to rights essentially about the 516 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,120 murder of Stephen Christensen. That's who it is. 517 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,360 And so Stephen Christensen, you know, supposedly murders this 518 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,000 guy. And you can watch this like 519 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,240 Netflix has, which is weird because we have Netflix 520 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,080 documentaries that talk about the scary, weird fringe 521 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,200 Brighamite versions of Mormonism. 522 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,800 And then they have the Mark Hoffman documentary, which is 523 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,080 the most gracious Netflix documentary on Mormonism, 524 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,760 talking about this guy who's trying to make the church look 525 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,640 bad, essentially. And so he's he's not saying that 526 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,080 anything's fake until they force to then he says, OK, I forged 527 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,280 the letter. And you know, he has people 528 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,560 saying, OK, I have witnesses that he actually dissolved, you 529 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,280 know, disavowed himself from the church. 530 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,000 They're probably, I mean, they I haven't found a record that says 531 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,240 he ever left the church, and I don't know when exactly he would 532 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,840 have been excommunicated. The church doesn't. 533 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,440 They don't have a public. Record of that if they did well. 534 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,360 You know, Lori Vallow's never been excommunicated, so maybe 535 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,520 they didn't. One of them, but you know who, 536 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520 but you know who has been excommunicated is the Tanners, 537 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,080 right? The Tanners both left the 538 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,840 church. And so this whole thing is 539 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160 really interesting. But one of the one of the things 540 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,280 that Mormons are really good at is, is having money. 541 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,320 And one of the ways they can show that they truly respect 542 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,040 what you're doing is probably by giving you money. 543 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,760 And they gave Hoffman ungodly amounts of money, right? 544 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,320 And I feel like they. Say well. 545 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,120 They they say because they. Just one time we're we're 546 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,400 taking. Private Bishop. 547 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480 Yeah, they did. It through a private Bishop. 548 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,680 What I'm just saying is that the second anointing is also one of 549 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,840 the things that they bestow upon people that make a very huge. 550 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,280 It's like it's like getting 33rd degree in Mormonism is getting 551 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,480 the second anointing right. So it doesn't seem out of a 552 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,880 question that Hoffman could have been offered a second anointing. 553 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,480 Which means that despite everything that he goes through 554 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,040 in the public sphere, he still knows that he gets to reap all 555 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,200 of the extra like afterlife benefits, especially if he's 556 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,880 still active. And his family were part of that 557 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,000 weird polygamous thing, too. Yeah, they could. 558 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,320 They own him on that one. But the he admitted his family 559 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,280 were part of the fringe polygamous sect of what's his 560 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600 name like? The the odd What's that guy? 561 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560 The weird guy who wrote books. Like. 562 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,080 The wife of Jesus or whatever. Oh, no, yeah, that's I'm a yeah, 563 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,280 the whole Templar. It's probably through the 564 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,560 Kingstons. Yeah. 565 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,360 Maybe there's the other guy, maybe the the branch group too. 566 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,760 Ogden Kraut. Whoever Ogden Kraut was a part 567 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,240 of, I don't know if he's in the Kingston's or not. 568 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Kingston's are like, definitely the richest. 569 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,040 Weird, one of the weirdest groups of the Mormons, super 570 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240 rich. And yeah, you know, they like, 571 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,880 marry their daughters to their cousins and everything like 572 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,720 that. They're not the FLDS though. 573 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,480 They're not part of the Warren. Jeff. 574 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,200 What's his name? No War and Jeff is separate, but 575 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,120 Kingston's actually believe they have the divine right to rule 576 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600 and that they keep their bloodlines pure by marrying and 577 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,480 intermarrying. And then they got rich enough. 578 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,040 And by the way, they donate to some really interesting 579 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,000 politicians, but that's beside the point. 580 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,040 They don't like. Really an interesting guy, by 581 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,640 the way. For sure. 582 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,640 I'm just like, OK, this is very interesting to look at this. 583 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,720 And then they got enough money to actually have a geneticist on 584 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,560 hand to make sure they don't have the the birth defects from 585 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,760 marrying their sisters and brothers or whoever. 586 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,760 They figure it out. Trying to cheat the system, man. 587 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600 That's what that's classic. That's I was just going on about 588 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,040 this on freaking Twitter because I was like, people are talking 589 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,240 about the loophole phenomenon with like Shabbat for Jewish 590 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,840 people and that they have all these ways of getting around 591 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440 these rules of the Shabbat. You're like, OK, well, how can 592 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,000 you do this? Well, we do it this way and it's 593 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000 like you're trying to get around. 594 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,840 But I'm like, that has its basis in the Old Testament. 595 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,360 Many times the most, the most direct way place that I know 596 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,760 that is in the building the temple in the 1st place where 597 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,080 they're like the Hashem is like, don't build the temple to David. 598 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,640 And then Solomon goes ahead, builds it anyway by using 599 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,960 materials from an outside land because he's because even though 600 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,400 the point was that it won't be built by human hands, it still 601 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800 isn't the temple. So there's these arguments. 602 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,000 But then I was like, Hey, what is half the freaking New 603 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,680 Testament, you know, is a search for loopholes having to do with 604 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,000 what is explicitly said in the Gospel. 605 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,320 And then even beyond that, you look at the papacy and just like 606 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,520 all through time. This is why sometimes have a 607 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,320 difficult time communicating with with like heavy duty 608 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,160 Catholics, because they'll like negate something that's like 609 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,120 overtly said in the Gospel, because this Pope 305 hundred 610 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,040 whatever years ago made some correction to to the to the 611 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,320 thing. And then they're like, Oh, but 612 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,000 he said this. Therefore, whatever I'm like, 613 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,160 isn't the word of Jesus Christ the thing, You know, like, 614 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,280 excuse me, but you know, it's like we, we go there. 615 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,760 But I just, I wanted, I wanted to ask because I'm looking at 616 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,880 the seer stone thing with Joseph Smith and I just want to know, 617 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,120 like, what are the specific correspondences between what 618 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,880 John D was doing with his with like, like the the seer thing 619 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080 with the obelisk? Like, because I've, I've seen it 620 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,880 in person actually at the British Museum and it's, it's, 621 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,600 it's, it's not, you know, it's, it's, there's the beeswax 622 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,960 figures with the geometrical septogram and all of that, the, 623 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,560 the two different ones. But apparently though, this was 624 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,960 more of like a visualization tool too, because these are 625 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,240 actually meant to rotate with each other. 626 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,080 So it's like it communicates another like you, you seems like 627 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,560 you're pretty hip to this area. So I've seen it demonstrated 628 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,160 where people would just use paper. 629 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,040 So they'll make a paper model of each and then they'll twist them 630 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,240 into each other. And also the fact that there's 631 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,640 the crystal ball that was supposed to be on top. 632 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,400 And it's not just what you've seen with the Enochian, like 633 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,480 flat. It's actually like what the 634 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,679 Enochian does through the crystal as you're looking from 635 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,679 one side and you're rotating the two sections together. 636 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,360 And like, I don't even know, like how much of this is in the 637 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,440 mind? How much of this is material of 638 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,600 what does this have to do? How does this connect 639 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,719 specifically to Mormonism? Because it seems like it's taken 640 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,719 directly from like it almost feels like there's like a 641 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,440 secret, Like there's like a, a very esoteric like line of 642 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,400 practice that is being utilized, not just referenced, but 643 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,199 utilized by Joseph Smith. So can you speak on that a 644 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,280 little bit? Well, I can tell you my 645 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,239 hypothesis is that I do believe the family was, you know, 646 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,920 exposed to magic. Not only that, I believe that 647 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,040 Joseph Smith was a martinist. They all want to say 648 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040 Freemasonry. Me and paranoid American have 649 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,080 spoken about like the time frames and the lining up he 650 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,760 would have had. They always say, oh, he didn't 651 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200 know anyone. He wouldn't know how he was 652 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,840 definitely able to be at Dartmouth. 653 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,560 His cousin has got all this rare book knowledge. 654 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,160 He's. Also his brother was in term. 655 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,920 Language. And they lived there. 656 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,520 Morris Morris College, which was. 657 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,440 This is what I'm talking and guess and guess what? 658 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,280 The family lived there when that was going on on campus at the 659 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,400 Trustees House. And so this is like been all 660 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,960 obfuscated like completely. Also, you know, Solomon 661 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,680 Spaulding was a student of Professor Johnny Smith and 662 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,080 Doctor Nathan Smith goes on to make Yale Medical School. 663 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,120 And you know that the Mormons are a big part of Skull and 664 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,240 Bones and its creation and have their own branch here in Utah. 665 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,240 Yes, so. So, so how does so where's the 666 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,840 so with Yale Skull and Bones, how does that is it just that 667 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,680 there's people who were Skull and Bones members who then got. 668 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,720 Like they, they're part of the they're part of the founding, 669 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,520 the same group that's founded the Yales. 670 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,040 Also there's a a group of skull and bones at the BYU and I I 671 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,120 forget if it's. Also, no U of UU of U Yeah, BYU 672 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,120 would never because you know, they they want to look cold. 673 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,920 For them. This is This is the explanation 674 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600 right here with Russell M Nelson, part of a satanic cult 675 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,480 called Skull and Bones in college. 676 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,000 This is from. No, I know it's a. 677 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,840 It's like, no, it's another skull and bones, a completely 678 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,880 different skull and bone. We just. 679 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,360 It's not really what you're trying to argue. 680 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,560 Basically it is a different skull and bones, but it was set 681 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,160 up and it's one of the only sanctioned ones set up by the 682 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120 actual founding members to ever be created and the only other 683 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080 difference is instead of scrolling key, it's owl and key 684 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,560 and so. They have. 685 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,680 Knowledge. There's a couple of things there 686 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,600 too. So like because Hiram Smith, 687 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,880 Joseph's brother, was welcomed into Dartmouth's Moore College, 688 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,400 Moore's College for Native Americans or something is the 689 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,880 name of the program. It's a more the, they call 690 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,240 masonry the Moore Sciences, right? 691 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,840 So Moore's College, one of the ideas is that they would find 692 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,960 people that were eligible or intelligent enough and they 693 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,680 would kind of foster them or advocate for them to go into to 694 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,320 a school, whether or not they were wealthy enough to go into 695 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,480 the school. Like it was something that 696 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,640 basically a scholarship program. And and it was not created for 697 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,280 Native Americans. It was created as priests to 698 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,240 teach them to be basically priests to the Native Americans. 699 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,920 And so these people that went there, I mean, this was like a, 700 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,400 a very, they have the same like classes. 701 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,600 They were intermingled. It wasn't separate. 702 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,720 It wasn't less than, it was just set up for a specific reason to 703 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,200 go teach to the native people and that's it. 704 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160 And also the kind of ideal that they thought, well, we're the 705 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,480 new American natives to an extent, right? 706 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,120 Like we're the real Americans now. 707 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,400 And this all happened in the 20s. 708 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,760 So the 1820s is William Morgan's disappearance and the beginning 709 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,040 of the anti Masonic hysteria. So all of a sudden they have to 710 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160 hide masonry and they kind of have to shuffle the kind of shut 711 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,080 down publicly a lot because at that point everybody is so pro 712 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,800 Mason. But. 713 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,280 Not Joseph married his wife, but that's. 714 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,200 Fine, yeah. What's what's later William 715 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,160 Morgan's relationship to all this other than just just say he 716 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160 picked up on it and then rejected it or what? 717 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,360 That that his wife then got married to Joseph Smith of. 718 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,280 Spirit Seal. Is that really what it is? 719 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,840 Yeah, for real. Real. 720 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,400 Yeah, I'm learning a lot today. I like this. 721 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,360 What the hell? What? 722 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,680 Was her name Heidi? Listen to this Morning and she 723 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,440 threw a big fat fit when Joseph died. 724 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,520 PS And you're not supposed to do that as like the whatever wife 725 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,320 you are, it's supposed to be number Uno that gets to be like 726 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,120 in black. And she showed up in black and 727 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,680 was like hysterical. And it's all noted that this 728 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,280 happened like. Throwing yourself on the. 729 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080 Coffin. I'm like, oh boy, this is 730 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400 scandalous. Why am I getting like Marjorie 731 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,720 Cameron vibes right now? What is for sure for? 732 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,760 Sure. Yeah, exactly. 733 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000 Because that's another important thing is these women were not 734 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960 like, you know, if you think about it, you got one team 735 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,840 teenage bride. And if you're this blonde psycho 736 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,960 occultist who's got a cult, you're going to marry as many 737 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,920 hot teenagers as you can. And instead Joseph Smith, I'm 738 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,360 just saying like Brigham Young, right? 739 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,640 But like what what Joseph Smith does is he gets these spirit 740 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,320 ceilings to all sorts of the like Richie women. 741 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,080 Like look at the women that he's associated with. 742 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,840 They're a lot older than him a lot of the time, like 1520 years 743 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,160 older than him. They're super interested in 744 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,320 magic and divine revelation and their spirit soul bonding. 745 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,680 That's really what they're all, this is what the Mormon say to 746 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,640 this day. He's like, well, he might not 747 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,080 have actually even had sexual relations with that woman, quote 748 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,960 UN quote. He might have just been that he 749 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,160 was spirit bonded to these women and he really prayed. 750 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960 He wanted not to, you know, like polygamy wasn't his idea. 751 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,400 He didn't inhale right? He did. 752 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,120 Not have. Relations with the. 753 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,600 But the But this Angel of fire came down with a fiery sword and 754 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,120 said, Bro, you better marry these women better do it. 755 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,560 And he was like scared by the Angel with the fiery swords 756 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,680 like. Come on. 757 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,440 My left hand behind my back, Yeah. 758 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,280 Exactly. That's exactly he had to do it. 759 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,120 I mean, it was forced and, and just so people know, on the 760 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,120 Skull and Bones founder William Huntington Russell is the one we 761 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,640 are Speaking of. And not to put apart from the 762 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,320 Huntington Relief Society, which was one of the first Relief 763 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,760 Society presidents ever, specifically Zena Diantha 764 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,280 Huntington Young, who was very important. 765 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080 And Speaking of women that had powers, she was known to have 766 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,880 the most best outcomes giving blessings because they used to 767 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,000 give patriotic bless and like, not patriotic blessings things 768 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,440 anyways, when when now they can't. 769 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,000 They can't hold the priesthood. Matriarchical. 770 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,960 Wait wait wait, wait wait wait wait wait a second. 771 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960 I thought that Bruce Wayne's great grandfather founded Skull 772 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,880 and Bones. I specifically saw it in the 773 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,120 Adam West Batman movie where they say I heard he was tapped 774 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,920 for Skull and Bones and they're corrected. 775 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,360 No, he founded Skull and Bones, so it wasn't Bruce Wayne's 776 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,680 great. Wasn't that in the TV show? 777 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,000 Not that that was in the TV show, but yeah, Bruce Wayne, 778 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,240 probably a Mormon. Bruce Wayne's probably a. 779 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,960 Mormon, probably. I mean, they always are. 780 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,400 It's always Mormons. And so they always, they always 781 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680 think it's that, that one three letter word. 782 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,360 We're not going to say because I don't want to get shut down, but 783 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,440 it's probably not them. It's it's the Mormons. 784 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,040 Babylonian, Yeah. Yeah. 785 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,240 But there's also, there's also something there because the 786 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,200 women, yeah, if you look at who he was bringing, whom bringing 787 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,120 Joseph Smith welcomed into the church to be priests, you have 788 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,400 black priests. There's even a offshoot for a 789 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,640 while of black Mormons because Brigham Young doesn't allow them 790 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,840 to stay with the church. But there's there's an entire 791 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,680 group of black Mormons that are practicing African mysticism, 792 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,360 which is why Joseph was so into them. 793 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,320 He's like, well, you obviously know all kinds of stuff that 794 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,080 hasn't been corrupted by the apostasy of the East West schism 795 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,720 of the Orthodox Catholics after the fall of Istanbul or 796 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,440 Constantinople. And yeah, he was the, this is 797 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,440 the fun one for me is that they got kicked out. 798 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,080 You know, he First off, just visit the transhumanist blonde 799 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,040 dude from New York City who goes through Missouri's Mormon wars, 800 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,160 where they start genociding Mormon kids and they find out 801 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,800 that they can go to Missouri and then Illinois. 802 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,640 Because there's a guy in Illinois who's a government 803 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,600 official who says you can have this piece of land called 804 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,320 commerce. And they're going to turn 805 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,840 commerce into all of a sudden he's like, oh, I'm going to 806 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,280 build this new Star Wars Episode 1 city called Nabu, not Naboo, 807 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,560 but Naboo. And it becomes the biggest city 808 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,160 in Illinois. Naboo is bigger than Chicago at 809 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,760 the time. And the person who did and at 810 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,440 the time, Joe Smith, starts running for president. 811 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,160 And when he's assassinated, he's the first presidential candidate 812 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,880 in American history to ever be assassinated. 813 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,120 There hasn't been any presidential candidate yet who's 814 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,440 assassinated before Joseph Smith. 815 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,680 And he's running for president of the United States with good 816 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,360 money, probably going to maybe because of Electoral College 817 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480 potential to even maybe even win, right? 818 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,400 Things are changing because the anti Mason party are there, the 819 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,720 Whig Party are there, the Jacksonian Masonic Democrats are 820 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:30,560 there, but the anti Masons join with the Whig Party and create 821 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,880 the Republican Party. And let's just say James Polk 822 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,040 wins in 1844 because Joseph Smith dies in 44. 823 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,320 So he can't run for president, but he's running on a campaign 824 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,560 of abolition. He wants to abolish slavery. 825 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,640 So you've got this guy in all the pictures of him, he's, he's 826 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,360 got a top hat, remember, because he's using a top hat to read 827 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,760 with these stones. That's. 828 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,160 The. Key Yeah, yeah. 829 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,000 And he's got this top hat and he's running on abolition and he 830 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,640 gets killed. He gets assassinated. 831 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:06,000 Now 151415 years later, the guy who was in Illinois who let them 832 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,200 move to Illinois to commerce runs for president with the top 833 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,880 hat on a campaign of evolution and his name is Abraham Lincoln. 834 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,040 Abraham Lincoln. Out right now. 835 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,920 Abraham. Lincoln, just wait till you 836 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480 start looking into the Society of Cincinnati. 837 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,560 Shout out JJ Vance. Yeah, like it's going to screw 838 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,400 you all up. You'll know it's all the 839 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,680 Mormons. I always have to mention to the 840 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,920 as the first American president as the the guy that basically 841 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,880 founded the newest Christian denomination that has been 842 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,360 successful at least out of all the different ones that have 843 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,000 that have jumped up. But he also was killed in 844 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,160 Carthage and Carthage was final. He was supposed to be the final 845 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,480 resting place of all non Christian religions and gods and 846 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,720 and thinkings. And just the fact that Joseph 847 00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:01,240 Smith is married to the lady that was married to William 848 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:03,880 Morgan, who exposed the Masonic secrets. 849 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,280 And then Joseph Smith gets accused of exposing Masonic 850 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,600 secrets and having ties to secret mystery schools and sort 851 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,560 of like Old World thinking. And then he gets sacrificed in 852 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,680 Carthage in order for the rest of the American presidents to, 853 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,560 you know, maybe run until Abraham Lincoln. 854 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,080 Yeah. And who was sacrificed in Roman 855 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,240 Carthage? Hannibal, right? 856 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,720 In the ancient Egyptian Carthage. 857 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,040 And Hannibal means son of bowl, which means son of God, right? 858 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,720 So the Son of God, it's a little sync for you there. 859 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,240 Why you say bow bow bowl like ball? 860 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:37,760 Or what are you saying? Yeah, Hannibal. 861 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,320 Hannibal was the general body. Of Hannibal is from now. 862 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,080 It's Bal. Yeah, the same. 863 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,320 Etymological root of of. Yeah, that's what that's why his 864 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,640 name, Annabelle's name meant Son of God, Son of Bal, that was. 865 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,760 I'm just I'm just considering the Masonic Trinity of Java LON 866 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,840 and how that might connect somehow, but. 867 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,440 And there's, there's definitely, if you start reading like the 868 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,360 names of some of the people, because that's when they start 869 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,080 using biblical names and naming everyone but Joseph Smith in 870 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080 Carthage. There was another point to that. 871 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,200 Basically the sacrifice of Joseph Smith was, or the 872 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,440 murdered assassination of Joseph Smith is pretty soon after he 873 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,680 more or less officially becomes part of the Freemasons because 874 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,040 he wasn't. Technically his brother was, but 875 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,120 he wasn't a Freemason for years while he was doing this. 876 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,040 He rose to a master Mason in one day, and not only that, he was 877 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,440 fingered for this murder of. Him in jail. 878 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,120 Right. I mean, he was there with his 879 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,560 brother. We know how Mormons are. 880 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,520 It's all incest. But no, I don't know what they 881 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,640 did say is good. Joe from Vermont was implicated 882 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,360 in the disappearance of William Morgan. 883 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,960 So just saying. Does it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 884 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,120 isn't this something that Trump always likes to bring up and 885 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,120 that people are like with us, so left field? 886 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,120 Hannibal Lecter, when he talks about Hannibal Lecter, the, the, 887 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,480 the, you know, Silence of the Lambs, Silence of the Lambs, 888 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,080 just to be clear, like whenever I hear this, it kind of reminds 889 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,320 me of the YMCA thing where the, the, the argument is, is that 890 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,520 the reason why they keep playing YMCA is because Guantanamo Bay 891 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,360 was originally a YMCA. And so it's like some kind of 892 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,280 subliminal statement because the Hannibal Lecter thing, I'm like, 893 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,560 dude, like if you know Silence of the Lambs, like they're in 894 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,480 Memphis, right? Tennessee, but like the Memphis 895 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,640 Egypt, the amount of symbolism in silence of the lands that has 896 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,040 to do with ancient Egypt is like out of control, like the whole 897 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,440 thing and like of the the the thing they find the back of the 898 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,120 throat, the little bug that's on the movie poster, whatever. 899 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,640 That's not the name that they give. 900 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,000 It isn't the real name of the bug, but it's it's referencing 901 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,360 when you when the pharaoh would die, they would stick this thing 902 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,520 in the back of his throat and there's a tool or whatever that 903 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,720 they used to open his open his mouth to get the to retrieve. 904 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,840 The thing is like the the obelisk when they go the shot of 905 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,640 with the sun and the obelisk when they go to Washington in 906 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,880 sun slams. And the idea of the I think it's 907 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,800 set in zeitgeist. It may have been one of the 908 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,920 things that may or not be true, but it doesn't matter when 909 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,960 you're dealing with people using symbolism where they would say 910 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,120 that who is it? Not Osiris, but is it Horus? 911 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,520 Is it Osiris the the land, the like shepherd symbolism that 912 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,360 there was associated with Jesus was also a like hooker by crook 913 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,080 is like associated with Horus or whatever. 914 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,200 I forget how this works, but yeah, anyway, no, I don't know. 915 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,120 I'm kind of on a tangent here, but there's something 916 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,440 corresponding of like whenever he says Hannibal Lecter and I'm 917 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,880 just like, is he like it's like it's, I mean, we were talking 918 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,640 about somebody. Were they foolish or were they a 919 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,440 genius? You know, like, I don't even 920 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,920 know. Like there's a association of 921 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,640 the of the fool and kind of like the deity at the same time. 922 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,000 So I don't know. It's possible that his brother 923 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,560 broke his oath and was secretly telling Joseph, and his father 924 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,640 might have broken his oath and secretly was telling Joseph 925 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,880 things, gearing him up, preparing and knowing things 926 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,400 without keeping a promise of keeping it secret. 927 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,640 And he says, but it's not until after his master Masonry raising 928 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,000 that he introduces the anointing ritual and starts saying, Hey, 929 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,720 this is what we're going to do. And all of a sudden a bunch of 930 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,120 Masons are like, hey, we see, we we've seen that one before. 931 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,360 He's like, you're not allowed to say that. 932 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520 Ha ha ha, if you be quiet. You're gonna say it. 933 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,120 It would be say it, but you're chosen it. 934 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,160 He probably already knew anyways because look at all the family 935 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,080 members that were selectmen from Topsfield. 936 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,400 Like they are high up selectmen. So I'm sure that they passed it 937 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,680 down because even Lucy Mac Smith is in her letters joking about 938 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,800 talking to Abraxas and Sue saying and blah blah. 939 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,880 So because it. Wasn't as big of a deal when 940 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,920 everyone was a Freemason. And that's kind of The funny 941 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,000 thing Joseph Smith said. We're going to build a community 942 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,640 like because today Mormons have a thing where you're not allowed 943 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,000 to tell people that aren't Mormon these secrets. 944 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,600 But if you lived in Joseph's world, is Diane. 945 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,520 The Order of Enoch. Everyone was Enoch. 946 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,760 If everyone knew all of the secrets, then you wouldn't have 947 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,840 to keep the secrets from each other because you'd all know the 948 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,720 secrets. And that's kind of what America 949 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,320 was like. I mean, not everywhere, but in 950 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,200 these communities. Before the anti Mason hysteria, 951 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,440 if everyone was a Mason then the whole town knew what was going 952 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,440 on. We. 953 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,640 Religion, it's really misleading. 954 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,440 Literally it was like, because what is the stated intentions of 955 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,240 the roots of Freemasonry is to illuminate humanity. 956 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,760 So like there's this argument when it comes to like that 957 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,560 because it, there's like a secret that's like an open 958 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,800 secret that is in the nature of reality or whatever. 959 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,160 Like that's the esoteric, but like revelation is to reveal, 960 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,400 you know what I mean? Like, and so you can see that 961 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,000 that there's kind of a disjoint between people who like their 962 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,520 secret clubs and like their secrets and people that are just 963 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:01,360 like the real, you know, path is to is to just share and, you 964 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,360 know, expose all the stuff that's hidden so. 965 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,000 A lot of these lodges were actually pretty small at the 966 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,680 time. You'd have hundreds of lodges 967 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,480 and a lot of lodges have like 300 people. 968 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:14,200 But by the time Joseph Smith dies, his brother being a big 969 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,960 part of the Navu Lodge and there's a, there's several 970 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,080 important the Springfield back to the Homer's Club in The 971 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,280 Simpsons thing. There's the Springfield Lodge 972 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,800 and there's the Navu Lodge have like like 1500 members, some 973 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,840 crazy for a lot of. That time. 974 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,080 They were huge and there's a bunch of secrets that lodges 975 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,600 hold. They have regalia, but there's a 976 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,040 lot of question. Did Joseph have access to the 977 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,240 secrets of the regalia of the lodge and did they steal it? 978 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,560 And is this a big thing that they bring it out so they can 979 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,240 put it in the temple? And if they. 980 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,880 Make their own system right? Then they can expose things. 981 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,600 If they were as Freemasons to like try and expose them, they 982 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,640 could lose their life in the process. 983 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,840 But if they start their. Own efforts. 984 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,280 And was wrong, yeah. I'm tripping out on the thing 985 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,720 with the forgery because like when you replicate something 986 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,280 like this is an argument that Brian Eno of all people used to 987 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,280 make where he said if you wanted to recreate a Jackson Pollock, 988 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,240 how much more difficult is that than to produce the Jackson 989 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,640 Pollock? Like the amount of skill that 990 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,520 goes into replicating something and then changing it a little 991 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,240 bit how you want, you know, like that is a that is a incredible 992 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,680 ability. So but if you look at Mormonism, 993 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400 I've heard this argument that it's like this is like, oh, just 994 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,120 an extension of Freemasonry. Is it or is it that they're 995 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,440 replicating with slight variations the system of 996 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,840 Freemasonry and and putting themselves into a position where 997 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,480 they can share things to people who otherwise wouldn't have 998 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,280 access to it. You guys are pointing out 999 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,520 including what would would have been minorities in in America 1000 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,120 and like in those this whole like isn't that kind of? 1001 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,240 The. Real American way, though, you 1002 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,760 know. His whole thing was that all 1003 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,040 these other churches were fractions of the real Church, 1004 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,360 right? And so he had to take a little 1005 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,920 bit from the Catholics and the Orthodox, the process and build 1006 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,400 the Church so. It's kind of the. 1007 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,200 The same the same thing with Freemasons. 1008 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,920 He's like the Freemasons have some of it, but there's more to 1009 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,120 it. And I'm going to tell you the 1010 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,200 rest of. It there's been multiple 1011 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,040 prophets that say we are the only church on the face of the 1012 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,680 earth that have true masonry first of all and second of all, 1013 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,080 he got his revelation from knowledge on the fall equinox 1014 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,080 dressed in all black talking to an Angel, just summoning things 1015 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,040 with parchments just like Martinez do. 1016 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,280 I'm telling you there is something to this. 1017 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960 The Martinez only do that in the spring and the fall. 1018 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,000 But here's the difference between a regular Mason and a 1019 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,520 Martinist. Is there a practicing order, 1020 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,800 which I don't know, you probably already know this, but the 1021 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,560 practicing order part has has been wiped off for the most 1022 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,560 part, unless you're in these little groups, right? 1023 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,960 He tried to integrate that again, just like John D would 1024 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,080 say, hey, we can have science and we can have Mystic and we 1025 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,720 can put it together. That's very much a Joseph thing. 1026 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,440 Right. I got to point out too, that the 1027 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,600 the real secrets of masonry, I think it's more about here's how 1028 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,120 you can formulaically make an impression on somebody to 1029 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,480 actually drive something into their their memories. 1030 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,760 And here's some specific ways in which we can foster memories of, 1031 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,920 of the, the members like you. You can't join unless you can 1032 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,640 prove that you can do all sorts of like memory acrobatics 1033 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,880 essentially. And that these two things, 1034 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,080 that's where Joseph Smith was probably like, hey, nice little 1035 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,040 formula you got there. I bet you I could spice it up a 1036 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,880 little bit and it would have the same impact. 1037 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,480 And I think that he was right because and even more so because 1038 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,760 Mormons are kind of completely kept in the dark. 1039 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,080 At least if you join the Masons, you kind of have a feeling that 1040 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,720 at some point something mystical or woo woo is going to happen to 1041 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,080 you, right? Like whatever that as a Mormon, 1042 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,000 you're growing up and it's like all you ever eat is like UN like 1043 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,000 unflavored, unseasoned yogurt non-stop. 1044 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,080 And then one day you get a chocolate pudding and then. 1045 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,480 And. It goes right back to and for 1046 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,480 the rest of your life, you're going to like, man, I remember 1047 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,920 exactly where I was at that day that I got the chocolate 1048 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,440 pudding. And I and I feel. 1049 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,360 That was part of the formula. I feel like that's because other 1050 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,040 people, whether it be magical orders or Masons or whatever, 1051 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,680 will use drugs a lot of times to enhance certain things, whereas 1052 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,800 Mormons use fracturing the psyche to do it. 1053 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,400 And I'm telling you, that's what they do. 1054 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,760 They do it by freaking you the F out. 1055 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,920 And I know 'cause I was there and that's what happened to me. 1056 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,760 And I and I feel angry that I was lied to because I would 1057 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,360 never promise things. And like when I promise 1058 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,800 something or I say something, it's not that I don't keep the 1059 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,720 secret's good. It's the fact that they lied to 1060 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,640 me and made me take something on that isn't the truth. 1061 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,400 They told me this was about going to heaven. 1062 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,320 If they had told me just a little bit, right? 1063 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,280 Like you said, you don't know everything, but just a little 1064 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,520 bit beforehand, I don't. I know I would not have done 1065 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,720 that because I I wouldn't have been perfect. 1066 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,400 How are you supposed to be traumatized if you know what's 1067 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,160 coming? Right. 1068 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,120 Yeah, they bring back the drugs. That's ridiculous. 1069 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,760 The trauma's valuable, probably to some extent. 1070 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,920 I mean, this is a funny thing about paranoid American, just 1071 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,800 about Freemasonry. Like you basically compared it 1072 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,040 to John Grinder and Bandler's Structure of Magic and NLP, 1073 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:15,600 right? Yeah. 1074 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,160 So San you know, and Masonry comes from Santa Cruz and or. 1075 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,600 Utah But then you can opt in and you can opt out. 1076 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,200 You just said it. That's the core distinction. 1077 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,400 Otherwise, it's a cult. That's a difference between a 1078 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,200 cult and just a a religious organization. 1079 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,960 Can you opt in and opt out? I don't know if you, I think 1080 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,120 they were worried. You can opt in and opt out of 1081 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,920 People's Temple technically and then of Heaven's Gate 1082 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,800 technically. Not a mark. 1083 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,520 That's not like Heaven's Gate though, you know. 1084 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,280 But they don't do they do like I'm, I'm now I'm, I'm, I'm 1085 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,640 listening to this. I'm thinking about what are the 1086 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,560 distinctions between Mormonism and Scientology? 1087 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,720 Because with Scientology, if you go against it, you're a 1088 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,760 dissenter. This is going to ruin your 1089 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,560 freaking life. And people show up in Hollywood 1090 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,040 and various, you know, places where they think if they don't 1091 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,680 join this, they're gonna, they're no, they're not gonna go 1092 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,000 anywhere. I think they were here and so. 1093 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,760 Live in Utah, same thing. Well, that's why I was about to. 1094 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,120 Say this Brigham this Brigham this. 1095 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360 Element is is this is the same in that way. 1096 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,680 So I I don't know how, how they how they treat, I mean. 1097 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,960 Joseph Smith, didn't I? Lost my whole family. 1098 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,640 I lost my whole family. Really. 1099 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,800 Just like that. Joseph Smith didn't say that you 1100 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,040 were gonna have to like, go to hell ever, right? 1101 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,480 Unless you became a son to perdition, Brigham Young really 1102 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,920 pushed this idea that you're going to become a son of the 1103 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,400 perdition if you don't keep with the faith that the way the 1104 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,000 church is controlled. And by moving to Utah, he's able 1105 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,680 to completely control your family. 1106 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,800 If you break your promise, yeah, you go to outer darkness. 1107 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,840 If, like me, I am, I am viewed as going to outer darkness with 1108 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,080 murderers, period. Period. 1109 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,440 Because I broke my oath that I didn't even know about. 1110 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,160 Not even my grandma, not even my family would tell me what was 1111 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,080 going to happen. Something called actually a 1112 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,080 breach, I think, you know, in contract law. 1113 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,520 So you're probably OK, You're coming with me to extra. 1114 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,000 Don't worry, we're going straight to Cola. 1115 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,320 I'll talk to these people for you. 1116 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,880 We'll talk to them, OK. You were asking like, what's the 1117 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,120 difference between Scientology and Mormonism? 1118 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,240 And like, because I kind of see them in progressive steps. 1119 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,840 In my mind, the answer is 150 years because Mormonism was one 1120 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,800 of the first religions that acknowledged, say, he like 1121 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,760 different animals or creatures living on the moon. 1122 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,640 Like it was a very Ford thing. We're talking about planets, not 1123 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,440 in a classical sense, although I'm sure Joseph Smith had that 1124 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,840 in mind. But they were actually like. 1125 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,000 Sense. Like, yeah. 1126 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,840 And then, well. Quakers are like horizontal 1127 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,520 government they don't have so they're all He liked them. 1128 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,640 Or they're CIA covers like. Into, but that's exactly the. 1129 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,520 Point. Mormonism was the first sci-fi 1130 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,560 esque religion and then I think Scientology kind of just double 1131 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,440 S down on that. Throws a little Crowley in. 1132 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,120 Throws a little Jack Parsons in. By Joseph Smith as well like. 1133 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,120 Somebody, I think somebody thinks I'm kidding. 1134 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,200 Like they asked, what do you mean? 1135 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,920 I lost my whole family. I mean every piece of extended 1136 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,240 family I have no longer speaks to me except my immediate 1137 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,800 children, husband and my mother. That's what I mean. 1138 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,160 Yeah, and they're worried that they'll get tainted by, you 1139 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,080 know, like the. So a friend of mine who was 1140 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,280 raised with Scientology, we've had a lot of discussions around 1141 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,200 the particulars. My one thing that he 1142 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,600 communicated to me was that he felt that a lot of the practices 1143 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,160 that he was raised with and that he witnessed had tremendous 1144 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,080 value. The only place where he really 1145 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,560 sees them as problematic is the attribution to Elrond Flubberd 1146 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,280 that it's all about whatever the fuck with this society he's like 1147 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,760 because the thing in itself. And he actually, he would argue 1148 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,480 that a lot of these things, things that the practices he 1149 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,320 would see in religious organizations in general, even 1150 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,560 just like in a Christian Church, like you have this ecstatic, 1151 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,160 kind of like, you know, transformation that takes place, 1152 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,920 but now you're attributing it to this specific thing and you 1153 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,680 can't own it. It can't just be yours. 1154 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,760 Like, oh, I you know, so he would argue that. 1155 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,160 But then at one point I told him that my take away, it's kind of 1156 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,320 AI don't know this in any absolute terms, but kind of my 1157 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,080 take away is that. It seems like one of the primary 1158 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,280 functions of Scientology is to as a means of going through 1159 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,520 society and kind of wedding out who the people are who are most 1160 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,720 susceptible to Speaking of MLP hypnosis so that they can be 1161 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,880 used for various psyops and even like what is the nature of a 1162 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,160 psyop like is open. To by the way, a cerebral 1163 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,720 organoid brought up that John D's birthday yesterday in case 1164 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,800 we forgot to bring him. Yeah, happy birthday. 1165 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,640 And let's. Talk. 1166 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,160 About him? Cerebral organized birthday as 1167 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,440 well. So also, but to your point, 1168 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,720 David, they have the most recruits out of Utah and 1169 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,960 especially at BYU and EU of U43 letter agencies. 1170 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,440 And within 30 miles of my home, I have the NSA, the CIA, the 1171 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,200 FBI, Air Force Base and the IRS. So there's that. 1172 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,760 Can I Also is it crazy that that this is a sink tank episode? 1173 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,120 We didn't intentionally plan this to be on John D. 1174 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,600 We did it. We absolutely not right Heidi? 1175 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,440 Like we were just talking about doing a show. 1176 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,880 We. Just talked about that's why you 1177 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,880 were doing this. And no, and it just worked out. 1178 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,240 Is that not insane, that. That's why I happened to. 1179 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,680 Pick his birthday. He's like, this is the only day 1180 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,080 I have and I'm like, OK. He's like, dude, let me in. 1181 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:35,440 Yeah. See. 1182 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,920 He's like he's. With us right now. 1183 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,920 You know, wherever I walk and I look back, what is it like on 1184 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,000 the beach? And I look down and I see John 1185 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,480 D's footprints. That's when he was carrying you. 1186 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,360 Yeah, that's what was. Up. 1187 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,080 No, that was Edward Kelly. He does the work. 1188 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,120 No, just kidding. It was actually Edward Kelly 1189 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,240 carrying John D who was then carrying me. 1190 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,120 What about where does Bruno fit in? 1191 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,680 Right, right. Yeah, you guys head to Bruno? 1192 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,800 I don't know enough about it. My housemate Bill is is. 1193 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,960 Saint Bruno. Yeah, do you know about the 1194 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,800 occultist Bruno? Giordano Bruno. 1195 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,440 Is that? Yeah, I think so. 1196 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,960 That sounds right. Yeah. 1197 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,880 I'm not. This isn't, You know, I'm not 1198 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,280 Privy to a lot of this stuff. I'm learning more on this 1199 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,240 episode than I almost ever do. So I appreciate that, guys. 1200 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,360 But yeah. What's up? 1201 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,800 Astronomer, right? Yeah, connects to John D in a 1202 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,960 variety of ways, apparently. He had some thoughts about the 1203 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,560 shape of the earth and the placement of the sun versus the 1204 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,160 earth. He's he died a day before I was 1205 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,880 born. Burned at the stake. 1206 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,920 Give or take some years, yeah. Yeah, I forget who it was. 1207 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,360 I thought it was Elvis Levy, but I think I got corrected that one 1208 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,200 of these guys, it may have been Bruno. 1209 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,880 When they were burned at the stake, they basically like last 1210 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,400 words. You know, we're like, well, 1211 01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,520 shit. If I knew it was going to end 1212 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,680 like this, I wouldn't have been so veiled in my speech. 1213 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,880 I wouldn't have tried to, you know, like encrypt everything. 1214 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,280 I would have just said it because yeah, here it. 1215 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,040 Is, I mean, he denied the Trinity. 1216 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,320 He was on par with the you know, the Mormons deny the Trinity as 1217 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,040 well. I mean not deny it, but like. 1218 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,520 Well, don't don't mention, don't forget to mention 1219 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:24,000 transubstantiation, which means that if you do not eat the flesh 1220 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,960 and or you know, eat the flesh and drink the blood during 1221 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,080 Catholic mass, then you also deserve to be burns of the 1222 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,880 steak. And it's, I mean literally that 1223 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,320 this was what ends up creating him as a heretic was his denial 1224 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,640 to take transubstantiation and to admit to the Trinity. 1225 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,760 So I mean, there was. Jesus, that's something else. 1226 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,040 There were hardcore 3 centuries ago. 1227 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,680 Right. It wasn't just talking to frogs, 1228 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,200 Mormons. Were hardcore what, 2 centuries 1229 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,240 ago? Well, and not only that, I effed 1230 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,840 around and found out, and I sent this to paranoid American. 1231 01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,080 But apparently if you're related to any English court, which I 1232 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,040 definitely AM, I went on stupidfamilysearch.org camping 1233 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,960 like a dumb dumb. And he, John D, is my 16th grade 1234 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,360 uncle, so that's fun. That's not bad. 1235 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,440 Paranoid said he wouldn't get on. 1236 01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,480 I I went to go and look and the amount of information they 1237 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,760 wanted and I was like wait a minute, what are they doing with 1238 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,880 this? And I already know. 1239 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,520 I got tracked all the way back to Jesus. 1240 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,920 I got tracked right back. To Jesus. 1241 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,200 We just called him Josh and my family. 1242 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,360 Yeah, that's what's up. Uncle, Uncle. 1243 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,520 Josh but. Jesus. 1244 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,840 Or just you got some, you know, maybe. 1245 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,160 Mexico. Oh, the Jesus, Jesus Christ, 1246 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,680 straight up. Yeah, through the Sinclair's and 1247 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,960 everything through the Spanish side of my family. 1248 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,600 But. I'm bourbon and Medici. 1249 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,600 I'm all kinds of. I'm a little but. 1250 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,520 It's a little weird. Hiram Page is important to this 1251 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,880 because you brought up the Sears stone. 1252 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,800 And so this idea that there were other Sears stones. 1253 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,440 So Hiram Page is the one of the 8 witnesses of the, of the 1254 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,280 process right where Joseph Smith is unveiling. 1255 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,800 And he's like, everyone sit behind this giant tent because 1256 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,600 you don't want to get blinded by the light here. 1257 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,160 And I'm going to explain to you what this Enochian like reformed 1258 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,400 Egyptian is really saying. And Hiram Page has later on has 1259 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,880 says, well, I have my own Sears stone, so let me use it to see 1260 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,880 what things actually say, you know, from my perspective, 1261 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,480 because he's also practicing magic. 1262 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,640 And then Joseph has this, you know, revelation that there's 1263 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,040 that other Sears stones are bad and then it's evil and it needs 1264 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,040 to be taken to the river and smashed into powder and 1265 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,160 destroyed, right? Like so you can't use any Sears 1266 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,520 stone except for the berm and thummim that he had, right. 1267 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,840 And so that's the other thing, the Sears stones, he connects to 1268 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:54,400 the chest plate of the priesthood of the first Temple. 1269 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,760 And so he's also says he's a direct descendant of Joseph, who 1270 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,560 is of the second wife of Israel, of his first love, Rebecca, 1271 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,640 instead of Leia, right? And so he says, OK, Joseph who 1272 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,640 went into Egypt and this is his connection even beyond Moses is 1273 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,240 like directly to Joseph. And he has this special Sears 1274 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,840 done. But that Hiram was evil, right? 1275 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,080 Right. Well, this also then has to do 1276 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,880 with the interpretation of dreams, right? 1277 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,400 I mean, dream interpretation was Joseph's superpower, right? 1278 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,760 So is that's I can see his, his resonance or him kind of 1279 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:34,240 attributing what he's doing. To this Urim and Thummim blew my 1280 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,960 mind because when they took this away and they said OK, they kind 1281 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,200 of phased it out and then popped the hat out of South Park. 1282 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,000 I went, this is a lie because I I've been raised my whole life 1283 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,160 like that's a lie. Don't believe it, don't believe 1284 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,760 it. And then the prophet does a 1285 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,320 photo op with it and I went, are you serious right now? 1286 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,840 Like they said, it was this my whole life, you know, and, and 1287 01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,240 now it isn't so. Weird, yeah. 1288 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,600 The angels, Have you seen the picture? 1289 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:03,800 Hold on me. Pull it. 1290 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,840 Yeah, the Angels took the Urim and Thummim back because they 1291 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,000 needed them just to buy it. I saw the Matt Stone and Trey 1292 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:16,200 Parker's production of of the Book of Mormon and when I went 1293 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,080 out in the middle of it for a cigarette break, I'm talking to 1294 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,160 this guy and who who tells me that he didn't know what he was 1295 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,160 in for. And I was like, I was like, how 1296 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,440 you like it was he like, he's like, well, I'm from the play. 1297 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,160 I I believe it was Africa. He was from not just the region, 1298 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,120 but he's like, I'm from there. Like he was like, no one told me 1299 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,800 that that was what I was going. I was like, are you offended? 1300 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,880 And he was like, well, I would be, but they didn't say anything 1301 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,120 that wasn't true or they haven't said anything that's not true. 1302 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,520 So he's like, I can't be offended at that, you know? 1303 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:49,760 General butt naked is real, right? 1304 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,720 Yeah. And apparently Trey Parker went 1305 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,640 to Africa, to Uganda to do research for the not, not that 1306 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,680 he was trying to make it like, right, completely authentic 1307 01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,120 anyway. But it's it is weirdly 1308 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,160 authentic. Oh wait, who? 1309 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:05,800 Who is the guy you were talking to? 1310 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,640 A Mormon or just from the area? No, he's not a Mormon. 1311 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,040 He just happened to be from there. 1312 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,760 Like he went to this show and we're standing there smoking and 1313 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,120 he's like, dude, I'm tripping out right now because that's 1314 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,720 like where I'm from. Like literally exactly. 1315 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,080 And I was like, is that it? And so, and then the friend who 1316 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,760 I went with, she had gone to see it prior and she saw a bunch of 1317 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,279 like a row of Mormons who went to go see it who were there near 1318 01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,040 her and same deal. She asked them, well, were you 1319 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,840 offended? And they go, well, we would be, 1320 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,479 but they didn't say anything that wasn't true. 1321 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,279 I I assume that one wasn't on a smoke break though that one was. 1322 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,720 Like, that was just there at the seats. 1323 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,120 But yeah, yeah. But yeah, so same. 1324 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,399 But but they said the same thing in both cases. 1325 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,960 You have the place and then you have a row of Mormons. 1326 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,000 At least in their interpretation and their experience, they're 1327 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,160 like, they're not, you know, this is. 1328 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,640 It was super offensive when it came out the church was forbid 1329 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,960 us to watch it. They had a big fit about it like 1330 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,920 and said that none of this is true. 1331 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,279 Come to find out, all of it is true. 1332 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,760 So I mean, that was a lot too. I didn't really find like the 1333 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,120 musical to be that offensive either. 1334 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,240 That's the other thing like them that generally it does. 1335 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,160 It's like it's about a kid who doesn't know the Book of Mormon 1336 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,520 very well. And so he goes, and he tries to 1337 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,520 adapt their culture. But the but the subtext that's 1338 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,279 not so subtle is that is that Lord of the Rings and Star Wars 1339 01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:32,240 put together, and this is his own thing that he's made-up is 1340 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,600 the equivalent of Mormonism. They just made it up. 1341 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,760 So it's like they're like, Oh, well, so Trey Parker mass stone 1342 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,600 there that if you were to find a fence in it as a as a Mormon, I 1343 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,359 would imagine it's the down plane of its origin saying, 1344 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,160 well, some guys just made made. I don't think he made it up. 1345 01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,359 I think he channeled angels just like. 1346 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,200 I'm not. I'm not. 1347 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,080 I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing. 1348 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,760 Yeah, no, I do. But what would be the argument 1349 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,360 for somebody being offended by that production? 1350 01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:03,280 Would be the implication at the end that they can start their 1351 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,160 own religion? Because what's the difference 1352 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,960 anyway? Right, right. 1353 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,800 No, I caught it. I was making a joke. 1354 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,120 But I mean the joke, the joke actually gets kind of weird 1355 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,320 because when you're saying Lord of the Rings and and Star Wars, 1356 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,440 these are these are things that one could make the argument that 1357 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,120 they're kind of channelled themselves. 1358 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,400 They are who was a Catholic and George. 1359 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,640 Studied the Cotton Codex. Yeah, so, so well studied and 1360 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,080 the the what is the book The power of myth from Joseph 1361 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,280 Campbell and all this kind of stuff. 1362 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,560 So you could say, Oh well, it's taking from these other places 1363 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,320 so that so the. The Lord of the Rings is. 1364 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,920 Professional now available Mormon would just say, oh, 1365 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,320 that's the way it's treated. Like it's just an episode of 1366 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:46,920 South Park. We're just making it up and we 1367 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,280 walk away and it's just. We only have the big. 1368 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,520 You're like, wait a second here, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings. 1369 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,760 There's something to this, you know. 1370 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,880 Lord of the Rings is like we wouldn't have Beowulf in 1371 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,560 presentable form if it weren't for the the JRR Tolkin was 1372 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,680 studying the Cotton Codex and the Swedish library copy, which 1373 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,680 was destroyed in the like Swedish British war, right? 1374 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,800 And so all of that stuff would have been lost anyway. 1375 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,320 And so whether he's channeling it or also was really deeply 1376 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:19,680 researching Anglo Frisian, Saxon Indo Aryan mythology to put that 1377 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,000 together. And the same thing with Star 1378 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,160 Wars. Star Wars has this weird 1379 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:27,240 kabbalistic pre first temple look at Judaism for sure. 1380 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,400 Like the Jedi Udai, the Jedi Yoda, you know all of these 1381 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:36,040 things are very Hebrew. The like the 12 parsecs and the 1382 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,080 the Kabbalah unless the 12 parsecs the Kessel. 1383 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,760 He's equivalent of Theosophy because he's. 1384 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,280 Taking Solomon. Places at once to build this 1385 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,160 thing, just like Jr. Token is as an anthropologist. 1386 01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:48,760 But like Yoda. Yoda in Hebrew is one who knows. 1387 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,640 It's the same root as the tree of knowledge. 1388 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,200 Da, you're like, yo da, he's one who knows. 1389 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,400 And then Yoda in Sanskrit. We've talked about this before, 1390 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,040 but it's so freaking weird I got to say it. 1391 01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,000 Sanskrit. Is a great warrior Yoda? 1392 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,280 It's almost pronounced the same way. 1393 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,960 So like Yoda, great warrior Yoda, one who knows. 1394 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,560 What does Luke say to Yoda when he first meets him? 1395 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,480 He says I'm looking for a great warrior. 1396 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,320 So he's looking for Yoda in Sanskrit. 1397 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:12,600 And what is Yoda responding with? 1398 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,640 Wars do not make one great, making him in Hebrew. 1399 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,440 One who knows. So he is both a great warrior 1400 01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:21,520 and one who knows because he knows that wars do not make one 1401 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,400 great. And he is a great warrior, so 1402 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,400 snap. Solid. 1403 01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:32,560 Absolutely. But have you guys seen the the 1404 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,560 the Book of of Mormon in person? Or the I saw it. 1405 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,800 You can find it online now from people who have just filmed it, 1406 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,960 you know, I mean, it's not high quality, but at least you can 1407 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,440 watch it. I mean, that's the problem with 1408 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,400 Broadway productions is that you don't get to see them recorded 1409 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,160 until 2020. They started recording them, you 1410 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,480 know. And by the way, there is a a 1411 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,640 movie called Yoda from 1992 about a saviour who rescues a 1412 01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,040 monastery from sorcerer's practicing black mute magic. 1413 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,240 There you go. Perfect. 1414 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,640 That's pretty good. But did you want to? 1415 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,520 Do you want to talk about demon or did you already? 1416 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,360 Get into demon. Yeah, let's do it. 1417 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,440 Yeah, definitely. Because so many people always 1418 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,920 say really, they, they don't know that Whenever I have, 1419 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,000 people ask me like, what does this have to do with John D 1420 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,760 Rockefeller? And I'm like, no, no. 1421 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,520 I mean, in terms of just like having things sink directly in 1422 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,920 your memory, The one that I always remember of John D was 1423 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:33,040 that he was the cook in the the little like try sandwich between 1424 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,080 John D, Edward Kelly and John D's wife, Jane D, where Edward 1425 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,640 Kelly would come over. Edward Kelly would talk to an 1426 01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,600 Angel called Uriel and then Uriel would tell Edward Kelly, 1427 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,280 you got to sleep with John D's wife right now. 1428 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,360 Otherwise, otherwise this transmission stops. 1429 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:53,760 And just I guess the the he must have had a way with words in 1430 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,680 order to describe, hey, John, this isn't me speaking. 1431 01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,760 This is the Angel telling me what to say. 1432 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,960 So don't be offended. And then this ends up happening. 1433 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,760 This becomes. Jane was way younger than John. 1434 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,560 John John was about 70, Jane was in her 30s, and Edward Kelly was 1435 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,440 in his 30s. So the 70 year old is like, hey, 1436 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:16,560 30 year old come hang out with me and my wife and I'm going to 1437 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,440 just sit back and let you do a lot of the stuff. 1438 01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,800 I'm just going to describe some things. 1439 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,760 I'm going to sit back and watch while you do the it's. 1440 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,080 Kind, I mean, it's kind of like he was, I'm going. 1441 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,760 To why you make the baby. Why you make the baby? 1442 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,120 Because that's what happened. You know that, right? 1443 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:34,080 Elise? Baby. 1444 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,200 No. You didn't know there was a baby 1445 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,480 from that. Edward Kelly. 1446 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,680 Oh, Edward Kelly's baby. Yeah, you make the baby Edward. 1447 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,720 I'm too old. Yeah, there was a baby from that 1448 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,440 whole fun time. I'm trying to figure out John D 1449 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,360 is so John D is said to be a model of and so in Marlowe's 1450 01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,320 Faust, he's like referencing John Dee is the is the argument. 1451 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,880 But I thought that they actually had a relationship. 1452 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,120 I'm trying to remember who Marlow actually connected with 1453 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,160 that was connected to John Dee. I mean, this is so like these 1454 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:14,200 are all like, you know, rich influential occultists, right? 1455 01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,720 They all kind of know each other and of each other at least. 1456 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,280 But do you guys, are you, are you hip that I mean? 1457 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,040 I did recently go to Leipzig. So I was just in the town where 1458 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,800 Faust the the, the other thing is Ed didn't think about this, 1459 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,600 but Kelly and Keller, right, Because Keller is basement. 1460 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,080 So there's a basement there in Leipzig where Faust met with the 1461 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,760 devil, right? And that's supposed to be the 1462 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,840 town. And it allegedly that actually 1463 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:47,600 occurred to some degree for Wolfgang Bongo to in Leipzig, 1464 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,480 right. And Leipzig's also where the war 1465 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,640 really ended. So at the end of the war, we 1466 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,720 think of like different places in World War 2, like the final 1467 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,280 bombings and everything like that. 1468 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:04,040 But there's this Napoleon tomb for the fallen soldiers from the 1469 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:08,920 late 18th century, and that was the final holdout for the Reich. 1470 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,520 And that's where they finally, like, you know, defeated 1471 01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,160 Germany. They had to find somebody who 1472 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,800 would sign a surrender document, essentially. 1473 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,360 But the final battle happened on Hitler's birthday. 1474 01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:22,840 They're essentially the same place as the Faustian bargain 1475 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,600 took place just above. OK, so, so here's the thing. 1476 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,240 It's feels very relatable to me, like Oppenheimer and Jack 1477 01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,000 Parsons. Like, how did these people never 1478 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,960 meet? They're so close to each other 1479 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,600 in proximity and in the area of what they're doing. 1480 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,560 You have a rocket science artists and the other you know, 1481 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,040 it's just like seems so obvious, but the same thing can be said 1482 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:51,360 for Marlo and John D same time period, same social circle, but 1483 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,160 no documentation that proves that they ever met in person. 1484 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,520 So but it's just it's kind of weird. 1485 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,360 You're like, they're in the same social circle, they're in the 1486 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:05,560 same area, they're in the same age, like, but when it comes to 1487 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,280 occultism and people meeting each other, why would you, why 1488 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,440 would that be recorded? Why would we know that like 1489 01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:10,800 that? Why? 1490 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,040 Why would that? You know what I mean? 1491 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:17,320 Like they wouldn't have to announce that necessarily, you 1492 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,040 know, but I've, I've wondered about the coordination there. 1493 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,760 Well, I'm not sure about Marlowe for sure, but I know that, you 1494 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,720 know, he based his he based his devil Faustus on go to this 1495 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,840 Faust story, which is supposed to be somewhat true, right? 1496 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,200 And Kelly did go through Germany, and so it's probable 1497 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,440 that he spent time at some point go to. 1498 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:44,040 Go to Faust story changes the ending from Marlo who initially 1499 01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,880 wrote it right? So the original. 1500 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,440 Was Marlo first? Yeah, and so and so, and it's 1501 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,760 actually kind of like try to make it more rosy, like it 1502 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,200 doesn't have this eternal damnation at the end. 1503 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,840 In the same way he actually gets redeemed. 1504 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,160 And it's actually a more positive version, oddly enough. 1505 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,720 But yeah, but The thing is, is that it includes the original 1506 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,240 Marlowe version, includes specific magical stuff, 1507 01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,640 including the squares, the magical squares and all these 1508 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,200 things that John D would have been so hip to. 1509 01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,120 It almost seems like he was his source. 1510 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,640 Like are one of his sources for being as accurate as he could 1511 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,240 be, but there's no proof that they know so. 1512 01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:25,640 Marlow based his version though, so go go to base his version on 1513 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,240 Marlow's. Maybe, but Marlow based his 1514 01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:31,080 version on the anonymous story of Faust, which is written by a 1515 01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,760 German anonymous author. That's comes even earlier. 1516 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,120 OK, well and and kindy, kindy comes to play. 1517 01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:41,520 Oh kindy comes to play for D you know so as well. 1518 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,280 Inspired. By Al Kindy. 1519 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,920 So Historia von D Johann Fausten, the chat book, the 1520 01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,800 first Faust book, a chat book of stories concerning the life of 1521 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:58,480 Johann Yorga Faust, written by an anonymous German author, 1522 01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:04,320 published by Johann spies in 1540 in Frankfurt in 1587 and 1523 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,600 became the main source for the play The Tragic history of 1524 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,200 Doctor Faustus by Marlowe and go to his closet play Faust. 1525 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,800 So it's a it allegedly is written by an anonymous author. 1526 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,200 That came first, right? Far out, yeah. 1527 01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:18,280 Is that anonymous author John Dean? 1528 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,920 Question for me, right? Who knows? 1529 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,000 But Kelly spent time in Germany, right? 1530 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,720 And he got his ears clipped. That's the story. 1531 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,680 Oh, OK, yeah, huh. Weird SO. 1532 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,960 And the the ear clipping is the way that they would to know a 1533 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,720 charlatan usually. And just to throw the Trump 1534 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,440 reference out there. Right. 1535 01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,040 I didn't even do that one yet. Thank you. 1536 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,000 I like that A. Lot right. 1537 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,760 Well, we're on that tip because of the comic book coming up with 1538 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,120 the golden bow and Kubrick stuff because the idea of playing in 1539 01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,200 like looking at the archetypal fool and the the Green Man as 1540 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,840 like the symbolism around it. Crowley makes the assertion that 1541 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,960 in modern times that that would be represented as the quote UN 1542 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,440 quote gangster boss. So we're drawing a parallel 1543 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,480 between like this, you know, this, this figure that gets so 1544 01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:19,560 imbued in the culture who's actually supposed to be the, you 1545 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,600 know, the one overthrowing it. But everything is so. 1546 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,520 It's the one ritualistically killing the king and then 1547 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,200 marrying the King's daughter. And like doing this whole 1548 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,360 playing out this whole turning everything on its head and kind 1549 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,640 of like making the last first, so to speak. 1550 01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,960 But because of what we, the way that things have been set up, 1551 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,480 which is like kind of like all in these reversals where instead 1552 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:45,240 of killing the king and having the humility to allow every, 1553 01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:49,040 the, the trimming back of the, of the royal tree, so to speak, 1554 01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,800 because they insist on being so greedy. 1555 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,720 And whatever that we have to the, the culture itself has to 1556 01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,600 experience the repercussions of that reversal where instead of 1557 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,960 killing the king, they're celebrating the killing of the 1558 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,400 challenger of the king. And then being like, we got 1559 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,600 another year in power, Midsummer sets us free. 1560 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,400 And then we have to keep going through this ridiculous cycle. 1561 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:09,720 It's. Serial. 1562 01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,760 Out of those people, it seems Edward Kelly could also classify 1563 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,880 as a gangster king because he was rolling with like, you know, 1564 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,920 some like royal connections, but he was also the bad boy. 1565 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,800 Like he would show what you couldn't hide it. 1566 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,400 He was he was also known as the the cropped philosopher, I think 1567 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,560 because of the the ear. So it was. 1568 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,720 It was hard to mistake him when he came into town. 1569 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,960 So Urals associated with confirmation and sacrament. 1570 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,040 So also transubstantiation is associated with Uriel. 1571 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,600 And Uriel's also in the secret book of John, like the Gnostic 1572 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,200 book of John the master of demons, who helps Gilda Boa 1573 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,520 create Adam, which Adam is God according to Brigham Young, 1574 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,880 right? So that had to happen. 1575 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,400 Trump had to get shot in the ear in the exact same way of the 1576 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,720 clip clipping of the ear symbolism. 1577 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,120 That's kind of crazy. Is that the idea that like we 1578 01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:06,640 all, they almost ritualistically killed killed the king, but now 1579 01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,080 he's just got the clipped ear denoting him for what you know 1580 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:11,480 that way. That's crazy. 1581 01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:13,600 I. Can see it. 1582 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,120 It's also interesting to me, I mean the idea that y'all both 1583 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,000 created Adam because that's like a big thing that some of the 1584 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,920 like a Kingston clan and some of the other fringe groups of 1585 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,280 Mormon like Augen Kraut, right? Talk about is why Jesus refers 1586 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,160 to himself as the son of man, right, The son of man being the 1587 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,560 son of Adam. So when he's the son of God, 1588 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,320 he's the son of Adam who's supposedly God, right? 1589 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,080 That's a. Right, but keep in mind that the 1590 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,840 the the the Greek from the Gospel where he says because 1591 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,120 he's not speak, Jesus isn't speaking in court, right. 1592 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,080 So he's being silent. He's being silent and then 1593 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,280 suddenly he says the Son of man will come in the clouds and it's 1594 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,200 describing the way the Jerusalem will fall. 1595 01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,160 We're supposed to believe that this text is like 40 years, give 1596 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:59,960 or take from before Jerusalem got sacked by Rome by, you know, 1597 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,200 Titus Caesar doing his father's bidding, Vespasian Caesar. 1598 01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:08,080 But if you look at the text of of the of Josephus Flavius, 1599 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,200 who's the only other surviving text from Judea at that time 1600 01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:15,120 besides the text of a Roman botanist, You know the way that 1601 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,520 that Titus Caesar arriving in Jerusalem is described in his 1602 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:24,480 account of it is the exact same wording in Greek that Jesus uses 1603 01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,000 in the Gospel to describe the Son of man. 1604 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,760 We're supposed to assume as well, though Christians are 1605 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,600 supposed to assume that when he's describing the Son of Man 1606 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,520 that he's referring to himself in the third person. 1607 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,880 But apparently if you look at the Greek, it doesn't indicate 1608 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,520 that he's talking about somebody that's going to come after him. 1609 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,680 He says, you know, there's one who baptized by water referring 1610 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,840 to John the Baptist and the one who will baptize by fire. 1611 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,080 You know, like there's this, there's this argument that, you 1612 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,880 know, you, you could make the argument that that the gospel 1613 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,160 was actually written after Jerusalem was sacked, because 1614 01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,080 how are you going to prove that? And then you can how easy is it 1615 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,360 to make a prophecy of what's going to happen and when it's 1616 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,560 already happened. But the fact that the same exact 1617 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,680 terminology is used, not just the son of man, but even beyond 1618 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,640 that, like the come in the clouds thing. 1619 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,200 And all of this in the Greek is verbatim to the description of 1620 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:21,520 Titus Caesar, who is the son of God as Vespasian Caesar is being 1621 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,240 treated as God because everywhere the Romans would like 1622 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,040 conquer, they would make everyone worship Caesar as their 1623 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,120 God. And these people were super 1624 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,400 stubborn. The only descriptor that we have 1625 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,920 or whatever the Sicari were like the Jewish rebels who were 1626 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,560 there. We really don't, we don't really 1627 01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,200 know what they were like other than that they were equated with 1628 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,120 goats because they were so stubborn. 1629 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,960 They would not do that. We had 100 year war or 1630 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,160 occupation where they just wouldn't submit to Rome the way 1631 01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:47,560 that all these other places would. 1632 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,400 And so there's the argument that the New Testament was actually 1633 01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,320 used in in part as a not just a New Testament, but the gospel 1634 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,600 specifically was written as a means to get these people to 1635 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,360 submit to Rome as their, as their, you know, like to, to 1636 01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,440 basically take a knee to Rome. And that Josephus, who was a, 1637 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,560 you know, top Jewish scholar, was, was adopted into the 1638 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:16,400 Flavian court with this task of like recreating what was what we 1639 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,360 saw in the Old Testament to give them their new religion. 1640 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,600 You know, which would also explain why you'd have that has 1641 01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,200 these redeeming aspects to it because it's written by somebody 1642 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,320 who actually does have some degree of intention in the midst 1643 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,880 of being forced in this position where he has to do Rome's 1644 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,440 bidding, right? So that's a whole giant got a 1645 01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:38,720 whole topic. But I think it's applicable 1646 01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,320 here. Whenever somebody brings up the 1647 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:44,040 Son of Man, I'm immediately either going there or thinking 1648 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,960 of the painting and Manson's thing, because that's where The 1649 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,280 Beatles got the blue, the green apple symbolism for their record 1650 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:51,920 label. And then Charles Manson's like, 1651 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,880 I'm the son of man, man son and whatever. 1652 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,560 Anyway, sorry. I got another Joseph Smith 1653 01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,760 connection here too with Edward Kelly because Edward Kelly was a 1654 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,200 young guy that was making an impression on the older crowd 1655 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,600 being John Dee. And one of the qualifications 1656 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,480 that made John Dee even seek him out is because Ed Kelly claimed 1657 01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:16,200 to have this red powder. That if he mixed it into a 1658 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,160 solution, it would basically become a philosopher's stone and 1659 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,360 become one aspect of the philosopher's stone and what he 1660 01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:28,400 would use in in tandem with this red powder or the solution that 1661 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,240 he mixed it with. It says that he and a certain 1662 01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:35,240 John Blokely were then led by a spiritual creature at Northwick 1663 01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,680 Hill, which is the exact same sort of practice that Joseph 1664 01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:43,040 Smith would usually get into. Is that, well, I don't know that 1665 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:47,160 that part is unknown if, if, if Edward Kelly was ingesting this 1666 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,120 or if he was using it in some other capacity. 1667 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,000 Don't know what the red powder was. 1668 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,680 The Templars have like a whole thing about the powdered gold. 1669 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,680 In the box, man. What is that? 1670 01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:01,880 What is the Templar thing with the? 1671 01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,080 With the. They say that it's like this 1672 01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,440 special gold that's in a powder form and it doesn't weigh much 1673 01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:11,000 because they couldn't carry it around. 1674 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,520 They had to get a really heavy box. 1675 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,600 And that's kind of the whole Ark of the Covenant stuff. 1676 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,880 So I mean, I'm sure paranoid American or Andrea. 1677 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,040 Is the whole well the Ormus thing, But also that's why it 1678 01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,800 was interesting we talked about the regalia that would have been 1679 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,560 stolen from the lodges because if Joseph Smith who had all 1680 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,560 kinds of cool relics including mummies that they thought were 1681 01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:39,040 Joseph in Egypt's mummy, right? Yuya's mummy get like 8 mummies 1682 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,360 and several of them were burned and destroyed and one of them at 1683 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,320 least ended up in Niagara Falls, right? 1684 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,080 The museum was still is one of the mummies from Joe Smith's 1685 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,800 collection. But that's where the papyrus 1686 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,160 came from, where he says he's got the Book of Abraham and 1687 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,240 everything. Like this piece of papyrus that 1688 01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:58,240 there's only a small fragment of it left, allegedly because there 1689 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:02,480 was the fire in the Chicago Fire in the 1870s, which destroyed 1690 01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:06,520 the library. Or Freemasons stole a bunch of 1691 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:07,600 this stuff. Who knows, right? 1692 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,600 Like got a bunch of the stuff out of the Chicago library, you 1693 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:11,280 see. National Treasure. 1694 01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,560 You get it. And this is, you know, national 1695 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,520 treasure. Just like Notre Dame started on 1696 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:16,760 fire. Get the shit out. 1697 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,840 A lot of women's work on national treasure and there's a 1698 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,560 reason why the glasses that they use, the Benjamin Franklin 1699 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,960 glasses are essentially the, the way Mormons thought that Joseph 1700 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,760 Smith had his glasses to read the Urim and Thummim, right. 1701 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,040 Like there's special stones for looking through to read Enochian 1702 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,760 magic. But the, the the Holy Grail 1703 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,720 might have been in Illinois in one of the lodges because it's 1704 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,720 so central to the United States is one of the safest places. 1705 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,080 The lodges are brought to the middle there. 1706 01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:48,200 And that maybe Joseph Smith had the Holy Grail and that this was 1707 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,160 the reason they wanted to kill him and destroy the church and 1708 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,280 take the thing last last little bit there. 1709 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,640 Yeah. Well, or Dale and Oaks, because 1710 01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:00,040 Dale and Oaks was supposed to be after John D Rockefeller 1711 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,120 resigned from Nixon's presidency and Gerald Ford became 1712 01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,280 president. He was considered to be the 1713 01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,600 Supreme Court head and figurehead and Ronald Reagan 1714 01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,720 even almost made him the Supreme Court figurehead, except they 1715 01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,240 chose Sandra Day O'Connor instead. 1716 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,640 But he was almost going to be in charge of the Supreme Court or 1717 01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,120 one of the the main appointees to the Supreme Court before. 1718 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:20,360 Now he's going to be the Prophet. 1719 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:26,440 But Joseph Smith, the oh, when the Freemasons were super upset 1720 01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:29,040 and Brigham Young takes the church and goes to Utah, 1721 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:34,080 Freemasons banned lodges in Utah until after the death of Brigham 1722 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,720 Young. Essentially they said the entire 1723 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,520 state cannot have a lodge in it until after he died. 1724 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,600 So. And they just barely made it so 1725 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,440 that you could join a lodge and still have an active temple 1726 01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:46,920 recommend within I think the last five years. 1727 01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:50,320 Because they weren't supposed to, technically. 1728 01:29:50,440 --> 01:29:52,440 Interesting. I mean, I've definitely known. 1729 01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:55,040 I mean, I think they have a thing about secret combinations, 1730 01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:00,280 but I've met, I've met quite a few, the several rather open 1731 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:01,400 Freemasons. It was. 1732 01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,360 It was always allowed. It was always allowed. 1733 01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,760 It was just kind of one of those things where I think they were 1734 01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,520 like, keep your damn mouth shut, maybe. 1735 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,800 Yeah, I don't. I think that they basically only 1736 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,240 after Brigham Young, like Brigham Young had his own idea 1737 01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,600 of a lodge and his own secret combinations, right? 1738 01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,920 But Freemasonry was really upset at Brigham Young. 1739 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,960 There was definitely some sort of a schism, East and West 1740 01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,000 schism going on between Utah and the rest of you know. 1741 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,360 Well, they have vaults just like the Vatican. 1742 01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,320 I mean, just so people know, like there are many things and 1743 01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,240 including Old World Mick Mack, he sent me a reel about the 1744 01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,120 copper skull scrolls where they say flat out the Mormons have a 1745 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,640 piece of these. And that's due to Jason Mack, 1746 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,960 Lucy Mack Smith's brother, you know, being with the Mick Macks. 1747 01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,560 And he sent me this information. I can't claim it as my own. 1748 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,240 So anyways, yeah, they have multiple things that I think are 1749 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,720 very important not only for Freemasonry but other artifacts 1750 01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:58,760 and whatnot. So. 1751 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,640 Hey, you know what? Something about your your guy 1752 01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,760 with the salamander story and the forgery stuff and all of 1753 01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,400 them, I'm getting like a sense of like that. 1754 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,200 Like I would argue that Zacharias Sitchin seems like 1755 01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:18,000 he's almost like an insider agent in a sense or was because 1756 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:21,480 like he is office at the UN and this whole thing like it's like, 1757 01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:26,920 OK, so he he produces a just a a ton of malarkey, right. 1758 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,920 He just puts it out there in the midst of a bunch of things that 1759 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,840 the Catholic Church probably really doesn't want people to 1760 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,520 know and has to do with the stuff from the Sumerian material 1761 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,000 that's in their in their library. 1762 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,880 Like, like my, my rabbi would argue that this the Epic of 1763 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,240 Gilgamesh should imbue the, the validity of the, of the Old 1764 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,440 Testament of specifically Bereshit because you have, you 1765 01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,680 have a, was there a deluge? Like did this thing happen? 1766 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,720 And if it did, you'd expect that there would be other accounts of 1767 01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:56,920 it doesn't mean it's the whole earth. 1768 01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,240 No, it means there's a large area. 1769 01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:01,120 I mean, they didn't have, you know, the, the satellites, they 1770 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,360 didn't, they couldn't look at the whole earth. 1771 01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,360 They're like, we experienced this cataclysm. 1772 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,720 So, but I feel like that that was his role, like, and there's 1773 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,880 other examples of that. I like to say kind of anger 1774 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,000 probably did the same with Hollywood Babylon, where they 1775 01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,080 they know that there's something here that people are going to be 1776 01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,720 picking up on and it's likely going to be exposed. 1777 01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,520 So here we'll hire somebody you know, or. 1778 01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,840 They're just in the. Service of for their own 1779 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,760 religious reasons too. We're going to make it so that 1780 01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:31,040 if anyone brings up anything related to this topic, they can 1781 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:36,720 say, oh, you're referring to crazy Zecharia Sitchin so you 1782 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,120 know, whatever. So like that's the real role of 1783 01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:43,360 a disinformation agent in that way is just to make make it so 1784 01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,840 that this is all baby with the bathwater included in this 1785 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,200 thing. So, but also you're talking 1786 01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,920 about the Ark of the covenant. Isn't it said in in the Old 1787 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:56,920 Testament itself that that's the the 10 commandments and 1788 01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,240 something smooth staff or something inside there? 1789 01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:03,240 What is the what is the actual biblical argument for what's 1790 01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,080 inside the Ark of the covenant? I forget. 1791 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,720 There's also obfuscation, just like the Holy Grail is either a 1792 01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:15,480 cup or a bloodline, right? Like there's constant, it's 1793 01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:19,480 constantly and, and actually there are quotes and I'm sure 1794 01:33:19,480 --> 01:33:22,680 Andreas knows this, that they say that the Mormon bloodline is 1795 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,520 that bloodline and. So yeah, at least particular 1796 01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,040 families within the Mormon. Blood like not because. 1797 01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,960 Yeah, not. I mean, these are pioneers. 1798 01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:34,240 That's what the Casing clan though basically says is that 1799 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,200 they're the the. Bloodline that they're because 1800 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:40,560 Joseph Smith was from half Manasa tribe and half of Ephraim 1801 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,000 tribe. So bringing them together, he 1802 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,920 was the perfect child and that's a lot of why. 1803 01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,760 Further up the totem than Moses, 'cause he comes from Joseph's 1804 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:48,920 line, right? Yeah. 1805 01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,120 Yep, Yep. That's there's also some stuff 1806 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,600 there about like because we talked about Mark Hoffman 1807 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,920 earlier, I think we said that the church didn't buy his stuff 1808 01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,000 directly, but there were some things that they did buy. 1809 01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:00,640 It just wasn't the salamander letter. 1810 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:05,840 They they bought the Anton transcript and they also bought 1811 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,440 Joseph with the third's blessing, the one from Thomas 1812 01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:10,960 Bullock. The idea that the church was 1813 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,520 supposed to be, you know, that the the Joseph Smith had 1814 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,920 assigned that his son wants his son Joseph Smith the third was 1815 01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,480 old enough that he should be in charge of the church, which was 1816 01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:22,960 a major contention because Joseph Smith's son and wife, his 1817 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:26,880 first wife, Emma, did not go with Brigham to Utah. 1818 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,120 They ended up staying behind and that's where eventually the 1819 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,520 reorganized church. First you have the Strangites, 1820 01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,160 right, which is a group that said that are the Strang was 1821 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,640 supposed to be the prophet of the church while Joseph Smith 1822 01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,760 was waiting an interim to grow up, his son waiting an interim 1823 01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,920 to grow up. But Joseph the third blessings 1824 01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:48,600 and the Joseph the third letters are basically rebuked saying 1825 01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:54,080 that Thomas Bullock was rebuking Brigham Young for demanding the 1826 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,160 burning of all of these letters and all of these blessings that 1827 01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,680 were clearly saying that just the third was supposed to be 1828 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,640 come the prophet and not him. And saying, but what's 1829 01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,360 interesting is he didn't actually make it look like he 1830 01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,920 was super upset about it. He basically said like, I'm not 1831 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,760 going to destroy my copy of this. 1832 01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,720 Like I'll accept you, Brigham Young as the successor because 1833 01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:17,640 you did look like favorably like the light shine through you and 1834 01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,560 we all saw you to look like Joseph Smith. 1835 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,600 So we're all going to believe that that God basically put 1836 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:27,000 Joseph Smith in you for gay. Instead of Rigdon, yeah. 1837 01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:28,760 Instead of no. So that's The funny thing. 1838 01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,520 Joseph didn't have 30 kids. He did have like a few kids that 1839 01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,720 died, right? A lot. 1840 01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,800 But but yeah, and so there's a whole thing there. 1841 01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,560 A lot of people want to say it was sacrifice. 1842 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,400 Born his dad's. First born. 1843 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,200 Saturn. I think, I don't, I don't think 1844 01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,880 that many of them survived. There's basically Joseph with 1845 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,480 the third, a couple sons, one went crazy. 1846 01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:53,320 He had a daughter. He also had two adopted kids, 1847 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,080 right? So here's here's who actually 1848 01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:02,000 spent money on Mark Hoffman on the record $185,000, but it was 1849 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,720 secured through a loan from somebody that was taking the 1850 01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,680 money out and was going to buy it to just gift it to the LDS. 1851 01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,720 Church that's just for the dollar letter though. 1852 01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,880 The church itself actually spent $20,000 on the Anton letter, 1853 01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,720 $20,000. They weren't going to buy the 1854 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:23,240 Joseph Smith the third prophecy blessing, but then he went to 1855 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,760 the Reorganized church because Joseph the third third did start 1856 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,920 the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 1857 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,360 So there's the Mormon church and there's the whole thing that I 1858 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,840 was think about, which is like Joseph Fielding Smith was on a 1859 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:39,840 train one time for three days with Joseph Smith the third, his 1860 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,040 cousin. And so there was a point in like 1861 01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:47,440 19 O 5 after the end of the, you know, there was racism in the 1862 01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:49,440 RLDS church. They weren't OK with black 1863 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:51,320 people, even though Joseph Smith, his father was. 1864 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:55,960 And then there was acceptance of polygamy that was not allowed in 1865 01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,480 the Joseph the Third never believed his father was a 1866 01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:01,560 polygamist. Emma Smith denied her entire 1867 01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,560 life and swore on the Bible and on the Book of Mormon, by the 1868 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,080 way, to the death, to the grave, that he never was a polygamist. 1869 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,360 So Brigham Young just says, actually he was. 1870 01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:12,920 That's great though. That's great though. 1871 01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,760 So then Fanny Alger is this teenager that he lived like 1872 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,360 Joseph lived in the house with for a while. 1873 01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,000 And they say he had an affair with her. 1874 01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,400 When you read the document, if you use modern technology, you 1875 01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,520 can go underneath the word affair and see that they've 1876 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,640 erased and removed this other word and replaced it with 1877 01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,600 affair. But the word that originally was 1878 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,960 there was scrape. So he got into scrape with this 1879 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,120 young girl, which could mean that it was an affair, but it 1880 01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,920 could also mean like this girl threw herself at him. 1881 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,600 And the family tried to say, we're going to like, make you 1882 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,680 look bad if you don't marry your daughter as well. 1883 01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,000 So the spiritual seal point is that there's not a lot of 1884 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,760 evidence that Joe Smith did any kind of polygamy similar. 1885 01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,720 To many people say it wasn't. Many people say it wasn't. 1886 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,520 Well, that was the same as what Brigham did. 1887 01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,440 Brigham's polygamy was Brigham you. 1888 01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,280 Know, Brigham was trying to listen. 1889 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:02,960 He had 53 I think, or 55 wives and only like 57 kids. 1890 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,280 He's not going forth and procreating correctly. 1891 01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,240 Look, we're not doing that. Yeah, not doing his job. 1892 01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:10,080 I've known many polygamous families. 1893 01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,760 You know, my, my sister married, born Jeff's nephew. 1894 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,920 So it's a whole, yeah, their divorce. 1895 01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:20,520 Yeah, yeah, I did a show on that one. 1896 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,640 And he, he has a sad story. He he did, he was out of the, 1897 01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,120 the border before that. But, and it gets weird, but I 1898 01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,800 will say all of these sex that he's talking about, like they're 1899 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,200 all very different. Like it's, it's, it's all over 1900 01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,360 the place with like, oh, was he polygamous, wasn't he? 1901 01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,120 Oh, polyamorous blah, blah, blah. 1902 01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:40,080 I, we, I mean, they always say, well, he didn't have any other 1903 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,320 kids. Well, there's been people that 1904 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,480 have been told like we would prefer you not to take adna 1905 01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:46,760 test. The church admits it. 1906 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:50,920 So I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean they run the. 1907 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,000 Deal. I feel like today you figure it 1908 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,480 out pretty quickly though with DNA tests like with. 1909 01:38:55,480 --> 01:39:00,440 You think with the way that they they are in bed, not only in 1910 01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:02,840 bed, they are. John Dean, 23andMe and 1911 01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:07,640 ancestry.com. For sure a sandwich. 23andMe 1912 01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,720 just went completely bankrupt, right? 1913 01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:13,080 So they're freaking and then where's you have to opt out now? 1914 01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,160 And I don't even know if that'll do with freaking thing. 1915 01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:16,680 I don't think it will do anything. 1916 01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:18,640 Yeah, I think they're they've got it. 1917 01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:19,640 They're going to do what they want. 1918 01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,800 But also I think they've got that with everything. 1919 01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,640 If you ever watch like any kind of crime stuff, they, they the 1920 01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,960 one that really got me as a nurse, I thought it had to be 1921 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,360 blood or something or spit. And they got it from some guy's 1922 01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,840 gym towel, from his sweat. So I think we're all screwed. 1923 01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:40,560 There's red or thread too to jewswhouseancestry.com know it's 1924 01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:44,800 owned by the Mormons who are posthumously baptizing 1925 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,000 survivors. Technically they don't own it, 1926 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,880 but they own a familysearch.org which pours into it, which was 1927 01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,960 set up through Howard Hughes's organization, Hughes Dynamics, 1928 01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:00,520 through William Gay, who got the information from the CIA with 1929 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,840 their blessings from IBM, and it's all a big Nazi bed bed. 1930 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,720 Fest It was kind of just like an extension of the punch card 1931 01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,440 system in. Modern Tone it is they received 1932 01:40:10,440 --> 01:40:11,920 it. They received the punch card 1933 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:16,120 system and completely, you know, computerized it under William 1934 01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,400 Gay, under Hughes Dynamics. That is real. 1935 01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,240 I do a whole series on Howard Hughes, but I just find all this 1936 01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,840 stuff super interesting when they're trying to, you know, 1937 01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,200 prove different things. Are they trying to not prove 1938 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,720 things to yes. Remember the guy that was going 1939 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,120 to go prove that the knee fights were from, I think it was 1940 01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,160 Asiatic descent. And then they were like, cut it 1941 01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,000 out. We're gonna excommunicate you 1942 01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:43,200 and say yeah, they it's a big mess, but. 1943 01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,240 So, yeah, so that's supposed to be the argument for the Hal 9000 1944 01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,280 in 2001 that that's each one letter removed from IBM, which 1945 01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,520 was in code. Like there's even parts where 1946 01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:55,520 like David Bowman is the character cured. 1947 01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,560 Delay's character is like is like saying to Hal, you know, 1948 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,400 he's saying his name over again and we're going to Hal. 1949 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,240 Do you read me? And then you see it says IBM 1950 01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:06,760 flashes on his his helmet, you know, because Howell is on a 1951 01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,440 murderous rampage, right? And he's the AI. 1952 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,360 And it's supposed to be this projection of what Kubrick was 1953 01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,200 hip to, of what went on with IBM with the punch card system. 1954 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:21,000 The Holocaust wouldn't have been as they weren't, wouldn't been 1955 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,280 able to do things as they did them had it not been for IBM 1956 01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,880 cooperation. They sent representatives from 1957 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:31,120 the New York branch of IBM to Auschwitz as it was in the midst 1958 01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,360 of it's, you know, it's. Well, the Mormon. 1959 01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:34,920 Thing and they said. Sent a lot of money. 1960 01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,360 Running smoothly. Oh, that's true too. 1961 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,160 That's and. That's crazy. 1962 01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,400 Though, because Jehovah's Witnesses were being killed 1963 01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:45,360 there as well, not just, you know, Jews and. 1964 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:47,840 But the LDS weren't. Yep, right. 1965 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,440 But the LDS were not, and I've always found that kind of 1966 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,760 peculiar. Why? 1967 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:56,600 Well, it's well, to this day, to this day, Bill Gates, Microsoft 1968 01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,000 is their number one shareholding and Bill Gates is the number one 1969 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,520 farm owning, you know, person here in America. 1970 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:04,760 But number 2 is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day 1971 01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,160 Saints. And currently, you know, like I 1972 01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,600 said, they're #1 stockholding is Microsoft and the others are 1973 01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,360 interesting as well. But then when we see, you know, 1974 01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,200 them procure these IBM different things, right? 1975 01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:22,840 Like we, we see them talking with IBM and having this like a 1976 01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,520 grand relationship. And guess who's on the board of, 1977 01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,920 of IBM? Now she technically doesn't work 1978 01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,840 there, but that's Bill Gates mother. 1979 01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,160 They always skip on the mom and go straight to the dad 'cause 1980 01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:37,520 he's Mr. Eugenicist, but also mommy dearest was on this board. 1981 01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,960 And so when we look at all this, you know, you have to understand 1982 01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,560 before 1978, this would not have been against Brigham's church. 1983 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,760 Now we're talking about Brigham here. 1984 01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,960 Brigham's church would have been fully supported of a great White 1985 01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,840 Brotherhood, we'll say, because definitely. 1986 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,640 He was Sonic race and that's the thing that's interesting about 1987 01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,040 like the descendants of Joseph Smith, right, because if there 1988 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,080 were other people that had some sort of lineage air like they've 1989 01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:04,720 kind of convinced everyone now that that's. 1990 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:06,640 Not drop rule, right one drop rule. 1991 01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,760 Well, like, sorry, at this point they're saying, well, we have a 1992 01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:14,840 presidency and the presidency is in order of the 12 and but there 1993 01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,440 it's really just based on your earning it meritocracy. 1994 01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:19,840 That's not the way it used to be. 1995 01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,360 It used to be that your blood meant that you were descended 1996 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,880 from Jesus, you know, and that Joseph came has this right to be 1997 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,320 the prophet because he's descended from a prophet. 1998 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,400 So it would stand to reason that if you were the descendant of 1999 01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,360 Joseph Smith, that you would have this blood right to be a 2000 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,920 prophet, perhaps so that God would use you more likely 2001 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,720 because of that prophecy thing. And they really distance 2002 01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,560 themselves as a church from that idea, especially because Joseph 2003 01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,560 Smith the third wasn't into their church. 2004 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,480 And at this point, the church, the the Reorganized Church of 2005 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,440 Jesus Christ latter day says it's turned itself into 2006 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,400 something completely different than the LDS church. 2007 01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:56,960 They call themselves the Community of Christ. 2008 01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:01,400 They don't even Coc Coc Coc's a horrible name for a church, by 2009 01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,560 the way. Well, I think they took it from, 2010 01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,960 you know, if you look at that Professor Johnny Smith, he had 2011 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:10,480 the Church of Christ, and that was well before Joseph Smith 2012 01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:13,880 ever existed with Dartmouth. So I think they probably got 2013 01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,440 that from there. That's what I'm assuming. 2014 01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,400 But yes, I agree. Horrible moniker. 2015 01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,840 Isn't marriage just like this anyway, like in the like old 2016 01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,800 world, marriage was just like, first of all, you had royalty 2017 01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,560 who wanted to like Marie Antoinette of Austria and France 2018 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,760 and you're going to bring him together through this 2019 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,000 consecration, through the, through the marriage. 2020 01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,160 And then for them, and it doesn't mean Jack until they 2021 01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,920 have a child. So then the child is the union 2022 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,480 and the results like that whole thing. 2023 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,960 But just beyond that, it's just like elite families. 2024 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,400 Would you? It'd be business deals. 2025 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,280 It'd be all these things. So when people like poor people 2026 01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,440 getting married out of love, quote UN quote, they're just 2027 01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:52,400 like, as far as the elites are concerned, they're like, oh, 2028 01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,760 isn't that adorable? You know, like they're isn't 2029 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,960 that funny? Look at them trying to do what 2030 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,440 we're doing over here when they have their own complete reasons 2031 01:45:00,440 --> 01:45:01,640 this. Is why people. 2032 01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:06,160 Say liaisons you'd have who your your actual mate is that you're 2033 01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:09,080 into and then you're like, but I'm here with this because of 2034 01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,920 you know, we had to bring these families together so that we 2035 01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,680 could continue whatever goal. So you see that with religious 2036 01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,640 organizations the exact same way you'd see that with businesses, 2037 01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:19,440 the same way you'd see that with Royals. 2038 01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,800 So sometimes I feel like when we're just getting into the 2039 01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,960 bloodline thing, it's like, well, yes. 2040 01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:28,720 And it goes, it goes beyond that into just like we want to marry 2041 01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,840 these these different organizations. 2042 01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,160 Have you seen, have you seen Joseph Smith the Third? 2043 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,440 Like Joseph Smith's son? Have you seen their church's 2044 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,200 temple, David? Do you know what their temple 2045 01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:38,200 looks like? Show. 2046 01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,160 Show me if you got it. Pull it. 2047 01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:42,000 Pull it up. Click on. 2048 01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,240 The church procured it, right? Didn't the church procure it? 2049 01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:45,760 Couple. Years. 2050 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,520 No, that's they didn't. They don't have the, they have 2051 01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:50,040 the old temple. This is the I've. 2052 01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:51,800 Seen this before? Yeah. 2053 01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:53,920 Isn't this crazy? This is like. 2054 01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:58,920 Literally the not the Fibonacci, but what is that? 2055 01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,160 Well, they kind of say it's connected to this Fibonacci, but 2056 01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,160 I see very much like the Tower of Babel. 2057 01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,440 That's exactly. The spiral, the spiral cake the 2058 01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:09,560 spiral cake thing up to the top to the Spire because of the. 2059 01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:12,440 Top right, because the effect is supposed to be a one of oh, look 2060 01:46:12,440 --> 01:46:15,920 at this thing going going disappearing off into heaven. 2061 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,000 So it's not really just it visually, it's not just supposed 2062 01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,880 to be this, this height that's like, you know, it's literally 2063 01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:24,200 going into Infinity. Yeah, totally. 2064 01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:25,120 Yeah. That's crazy. 2065 01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,800 But the so the LDS don't control this temple yet. 2066 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,240 This is so controlled by the community of Christ, right? 2067 01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,880 Which is the Novu controlled by Joseph Smith's son, right? 2068 01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,160 Another one. The Nauvu Temple they did just 2069 01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:37,760 buy. That's true. 2070 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,640 That was last year, which is the old temple that's been rebuilt, 2071 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:42,120 right? Because they because Brigham. 2072 01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:46,240 Well, can't say Brigham burnt it down, but it burnt down like 2073 01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:47,240 Notre Dame. Like. 2074 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,120 Well, there's nothing left, so we should just. 2075 01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,840 Go take it. Yeah, we should go down. 2076 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:57,520 What about the, the European Union building that's isn't 2077 01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,520 that's made to look like the Tower of Babel? 2078 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,840 Because the difference is, is that that one's under 2079 01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,880 construction, whereas this one almost looks like it's made to 2080 01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,440 give the sense that it's like completed, you know what I mean? 2081 01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:11,240 Like, because it's, it's that Albrecht Durer representation 2082 01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,080 that they used. Isn't that the, am I saying that 2083 01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,800 right? The European Union building, do 2084 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,920 you know? Pull that up if you can. 2085 01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,840 It's if you put it side by side with yeah, there you go With the 2086 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,880 Albrecht Der. Yeah, the Strasbourg Parliament, 2087 01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:24,720 yeah. Yeah, yeah. 2088 01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,840 So it's like, it's that like it's not completed. 2089 01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,840 It's like missing the headstone, you know, and more. 2090 01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,640 But yeah, that's a big distinction. 2091 01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,160 OK, the EU Parliament. There you go. 2092 01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:36,200 Yeah. Right. 2093 01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,680 It's, but it doesn't have the finishing touches the way that 2094 01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,320 the Coc does. And there's another thing if you 2095 01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:45,160 go to Nauvoo. So the other thing about Nauvoo 2096 01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,880 is there, they do the Independence MO just South of 2097 01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:49,000 there. They wanted to be in 2098 01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,200 Independence MO because they said that is Adam and Eve. 2099 01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:54,680 Oh, this is the wrong page. I think I closed it here. 2100 01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,760 Hold on, this picture right here was the the temple, the original 2101 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,560 Nauvoo Temple. Showing the screen of the 2102 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,800 pentagrams on it. Well, first there's the sun. 2103 01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,800 Look at the interesting face of the sun there. 2104 01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:11,720 And this is the fire. It burned down, and this is what 2105 01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,600 it was left looking like, like the fall of Carthage. 2106 01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,520 And then they rebuilt it. Reminds me of the ziggurat. 2107 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:19,720 Is that what it's called? The thing in Babylon that was 2108 01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:21,480 like the. Here's the downward point of 2109 01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:24,000 stars you see talking about. All the stars are downward 2110 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,600 pentacles. Right, right. 2111 01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,040 Oh yeah. So there you go. 2112 01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,920 Between the the sun pillars, right? 2113 01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:34,080 And it's really fascinating on the inside too, because they had 2114 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,480 like an upstairs for doing temple rites and worship in all 2115 01:48:37,480 --> 01:48:40,680 these weird practices, right? But the way that that's 2116 01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,760 positioned, like I'd like to see this directly from above because 2117 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,640 it looks like, you know, what the, the in Iraq, the, that, 2118 01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,680 that structure that's not exactly a pyramid, but it's 2119 01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,280 pyramidal. And then you have this 2120 01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:55,240 rectangle, and then you have this square at the end of it. 2121 01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:57,000 Is that it? Yeah. 2122 01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,720 So if you see it from above, though, you get more of a sense 2123 01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:02,280 of it. But yeah, it's reminding me of. 2124 01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:04,840 That it does look a lot like a ziggurat for sure. 2125 01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,920 And you can see the First Temple floor plan, right? 2126 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,080 And there's a there's a whole bunch of interesting stuff. 2127 01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,480 Here's the floor plan here. So the architect's room and. 2128 01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,840 There you go, this is. This is a Tabernacle you have at 2129 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,560 the end of it is the Holy of Holies. 2130 01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:22,560 It is the same thing with what's, what's the capital of, 2131 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:27,040 I'm saying Canada, what's the Winnipeg? 2132 01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,000 The Temple of Winnipeg is modeled after Solomon's Temple. 2133 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,760 They do tours, explain how every single part of it is modeled 2134 01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:34,680 after that. But yeah. 2135 01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:38,080 And if you've seen like Hitler's plan for Germania, it has no, it 2136 01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:41,800 has no candle on what Joseph Smith planned for the new 2137 01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:46,040 Vatican that was going to be Zion because independence, MO, 2138 01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,080 he thought was Eden. And if you look at the map, 2139 01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:53,120 we've done this before, the Western Sea interior. 2140 01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,400 This is something I always thought was very interesting. 2141 01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,960 If you look at the Western Interior Seaway, well, right 2142 01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:03,920 there between Utah and Missouri is the coastline where they say 2143 01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,920 that Adam and Eve came out of Eden and that Eden was here. 2144 01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:11,920 And this is like a Lemuria kind of thing that they went into 2145 01:50:12,440 --> 01:50:17,440 Africa into particularly North Africa into Egypt that that's 2146 01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:20,040 where the the that they ended up. 2147 01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:24,080 But that out of Eden, Eden was in Missouri and so they were 2148 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,480 returning to Eden when they went to Missouri. 2149 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:27,640 You're. Talking about you're not talking 2150 01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,640 about John Alexander Dowie. Are you talking about in well, 2151 01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:35,760 in Zion IL was so John Alexander Dowie was like in a magical war, 2152 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,280 right? Like he want, he wanted this 2153 01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:41,600 like there's a crazy alternate timeline where the Jews instead 2154 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:49,120 of going to Israel, actually set up in America in in Zion, IL And 2155 01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:53,280 so like, and that's like that's a whole this is so related too 2156 01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:55,360 to everything we're talking to. I'm surprised he hasn't come up 2157 01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,120 anymore. Originally, so we should, we'll 2158 01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:58,320 talk, we should look at that for. 2159 01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,760 Sure, John Alexander Dowie. Yeah, Look him up. 2160 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:03,440 Yeah. There we go right there city 2161 01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:06,680 founded in 1900 so John Alexander Dowie went to 2162 01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:11,560 Illinois, but originally the plan was Zion in this Zion IL 2163 01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:13,320 isn't that far by the way from Missouri. 2164 01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,560 It's actually like pretty that's the reason that they ended up 2165 01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,920 right after, but Missouri was where that they were 2166 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:27,960 experiencing the Mormon wars. Mormon wars were Missouri, the 2167 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,720 Mormon Missouri war when they were genocided. 2168 01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:34,080 Basically the government said we don't like these Mormons and 2169 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,360 we're going to kill every man, woman and child. 2170 01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,400 So they had to leave Missouri. That's how they end up with 2171 01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,400 Abraham Lincoln in Illinois. They had to leave, but they 2172 01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:45,200 wanted to be in Independence MO is that's where they originally 2173 01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:49,040 thought they were going to build this giant city of Zion. 2174 01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:53,800 And Zion was going to be this crazy huge city that had temples 2175 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,120 every direction. And there would be temples to 2176 01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,040 worship in, but temples to do science in as well. 2177 01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,480 Like Babylon. There'd be the temple of Math, 2178 01:52:01,480 --> 01:52:05,240 temple of the stars, the temple of, you know, music. 2179 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,680 It would just be a giant grid full of temples in every 2180 01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:14,000 direction. So I think Daoi came after this 2181 01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,720 and probably had the same problem in Missouri and ended up 2182 01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:18,640 creating something very close to it. 2183 01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:23,520 But Independence, MO is where today that strange Community of 2184 01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,560 Christ temple is. And basically, if you take a 2185 01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,880 rock and you throw it in any direction, you're going to find 2186 01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,960 a different schism of the Mormon church. 2187 01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:35,520 There's just 30-40, a hundred different versions of the Mormon 2188 01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,720 religion because they don't accept Brigham Young that are 2189 01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:41,400 all in that area. But it was supposed to be the 2190 01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:45,720 Vatican of America, where all of this regalia was going to be 2191 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:49,080 stored in dozens and dozens of different temples. 2192 01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:53,320 And the street design through these huge wide streets in every 2193 01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:57,160 direction, this perfect grid, the plan that Joe Smith had for 2194 01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,280 this city was just completely unparalleled. 2195 01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:01,480 And they just couldn't, they could never do it. 2196 01:53:01,480 --> 01:53:06,040 So now what you have is called Temple Lot and Temple Lots where 2197 01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:11,480 the temple is supposed to go. Let me see if I can find the map 2198 01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,240 for you somebody. In the comments says Missouri is 2199 01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:17,960 how you say Egyptian in Arabic Missouri. 2200 01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,680 Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, because I was thinking of 2201 01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,320 chem as the as the red earth when you're talking about the 2202 01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:27,560 red powder earlier and with Kelly, but I don't know. 2203 01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:29,000 Yeah. Well, he's a temple. 2204 01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:32,120 Alchemist powder, yeah. There's a temple lot and you got 2205 01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:35,560 stone church got the but, but the the churches credit. 2206 01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,960 Larry says the main intellectual reserve church has control over 2207 01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,600 a lot of the territory. They just don't have control 2208 01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:44,080 over the Community of Christ Temple or the Community of 2209 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,640 Christ auditorium. But they've paid a bunch of 2210 01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,200 money to keep this up basically because they want it back and 2211 01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,200 their whole thing is that if they and Jacob Isabel's talked 2212 01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:56,200 about this as well that they were supposed to establish Sion 2213 01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:57,920 here and because they didn't do it. 2214 01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:02,800 They're forever in apostasy that the church itself. 2215 01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,920 This is something that the latter day sits really don't 2216 01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,240 like to hear but that is it Section 132. 2217 01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,680 Is that what it is or is that later? 2218 01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:19,640 No, it's earlier DNC, maybe I we have to get maybe it's 1:30. 2219 01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:21,880 You you called it though, Heidi, like. 2220 01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:26,800 Polygamy 1132 is the one on polygamy for sure, but there's 2221 01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:30,000 one that says we have to build in Zion or else they're going to 2222 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,840 get in trouble. If they don't build the temple, 2223 01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,240 they don't do exactly what God asked of them, then they're 2224 01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:36,240 going to be forsaken. And so they. 2225 01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:38,320 We're always in trouble. You're always in trouble. 2226 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:42,840 It's not a forgiving thing. Like someone broke the, the, the 2227 01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:46,760 vase at like the the party while the parents were away and you 2228 01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:50,000 got to like rebuild it. So when you know mom and dad 2229 01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,480 come back home, they'll notice some things awry. 2230 01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,160 Yeah, we. Got to do, you just said it, 2231 01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,040 dude. That's like that's the Simpson, 2232 01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,680 that's there's two schools of Kabbalah. 2233 01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,720 You know, there's the Bereshit school and there's like the 2234 01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:04,800 Ezekiel school and you're like referencing it as a perfect 2235 01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:06,600 allegory. What the Ezekiel school is with 2236 01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,240 the breaking of the vessel that the vessel in the in the 2237 01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,000 beginning was all whole and everything was attached. 2238 01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:14,120 You know, we're trying to put it back together as best as we can 2239 01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,800 to talk about a forgery, right? But it's like it's the thing 2240 01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,040 still, I guess. But it's like that's their whole 2241 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,880 deal is like everything's been fragmented. 2242 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:22,800 We got to bring it back to get to that perfect. 2243 01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:25,640 It's as best as we can approximate that perfect 2244 01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:27,760 original structure, you know, so you. 2245 01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:32,120 Basically say the church though today basically says that they 2246 01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:34,800 no longer have to build the temple. 2247 01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:37,880 It's no longer like the most important thing where it was. 2248 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,280 They consider it the most. I think it's doctrine of the 2249 01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:43,920 Covenants 57. I think it's the one OK. 2250 01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,520 Revelation received by Joseph Smith in Jackson County, 2251 01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,640 Missouri, designates the Independence as the center place 2252 01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:52,120 of Zion and specifies a spot for the temple. 2253 01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:54,640 Behold the place which is now called Independence, the center 2254 01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:58,040 place and a spot for the temples lying westward upon a lot which 2255 01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:01,040 is not far from the courthouse. The Lord commands the Saints to 2256 01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:02,960 purchase the land for the temple in the city of Zion. 2257 01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:09,040 And I think it's a 58 that says if you, it warns that if you 2258 01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:12,160 don't be obedient, you will lose your blessings, right? 2259 01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:17,600 So for verily I say unto you, my law shall be kept on this land. 2260 01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:21,440 Who am I that made man, saith the Lord, that will hold him 2261 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:24,440 guilt guiltless, that obeys not my commandments. 2262 01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,960 The revelation also instructs rigging to dedicate the land to 2263 01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:31,800 the temple site. So basically a lot of people say 2264 01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:33,680 a lot of the reason why there are these schisms, they say, 2265 01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,160 well, they didn't do it. They should have done it anyway. 2266 01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:39,000 They should have basically fought to make this happen in 2267 01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:43,240 the valley of giants, right? And Gog and Magog and instead 2268 01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:47,760 they were attacked by Missouri's governor who was again murdering 2269 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,960 these kids. And the Missouri governor was a 2270 01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:54,200 a Freemason who was super against Brigham Young and Joseph 2271 01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:56,600 Smith. And they were worried they had 2272 01:56:56,600 --> 01:57:01,120 more Masons and Mormons like together than they had Masons in 2273 01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:05,040 multiple like areas like the the Mormons totally outbred them, 2274 01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:08,480 literally so. Yeah, it was going to be, they 2275 01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,880 saw it coming, basically that they're, they're going to be 2276 01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:13,720 replaced instantly. And like this whole community 2277 01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,720 was going to control all of the regalia. 2278 01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:18,640 And that's a big thing for them. Is this idea because in the 2279 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:22,120 1500s you would go to a church basically because it had the 2280 01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:24,960 hand of Saint James or the eye of what? 2281 01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,800 Yeah, Magog, George Bush, but also Gog and Magog, when Moses 2282 01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:32,160 goes into the promised Land, everyone's afraid of the giants. 2283 01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,840 And so they leave. And God's like, dude, you were 2284 01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:37,840 supposed to take that land. And like, yeah, but God, there 2285 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,880 were, there were giants. So then they have to wait 40 2286 01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:45,400 years outside the desert, right? Or in the desert, which is 2287 01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:50,440 ironically kind of how long Utah was this like under Brigham 2288 01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:51,840 Young? It's like the 40 years in the 2289 01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:55,200 desert. Thing and and also, ironically, 2290 01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,640 exactly how the angels with John Dee felt when they asked for 2291 01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:01,360 money. They were like stop with your 2292 01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,280 stupid shit, go to work. Give me money. 2293 01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:08,440 You'll, you'll notice that the, the 40 thing, the way it occurs 2294 01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:12,560 is that like so 40 days and 40 nights with the, with the deluge 2295 01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:17,800 is relating to the Hebrew letter mem, which mean literally is if 2296 01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,400 you were to spell out mem, mem, mem, you have water. 2297 01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:24,040 So it's this, there's this idea that they're in the desert, 2298 01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:24,960 right? They need water. 2299 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:28,360 It's like even mana, like the word mana literally is a 2300 01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:31,360 question like the word itself. It means what is it? 2301 01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:32,800 So you're like, well, what is mana? 2302 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:34,960 I don't know mana. What is it like? 2303 01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:37,160 You're not going to know what it is, but they're. 2304 01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:38,960 Trying to you, but Salt Lake City, it's cool. 2305 01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,040 Like every once in a while be driving across the country and 2306 01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:43,320 I'll stop in Salt Lake. And you didn't say hi to me? 2307 01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:45,600 I'm upset with you. It's been a while. 2308 01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:47,320 I think it's before we knew each other. 2309 01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:49,960 I of course I will ever if I come back again and I will 2310 01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:53,000 because every once in a while if your feet are ever feeling like 2311 01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,960 you got like I've, I've luckily not had this problem, but I've 2312 01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:58,080 seen this happen for people. They have like toe fungus and 2313 01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:59,680 stuff and they go to the Salt Lake. 2314 01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,280 If you wash your feet in the salt water that Salt Lake is, 2315 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,840 it's a purifying ritual that's unparalleled. 2316 01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,000 It does amazing things for you. That's that. 2317 01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,160 Salt. That salt in that lake is the 2318 01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:15,600 most comparative to the Dead Sea as far as I've studied all of 2319 01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:19,800 its elements and like how they compare to other that have salt 2320 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,040 water. Yeah, literally. 2321 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,720 And it makes no sense, honestly, because Brigham Young came here 2322 01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,280 and said this is the place. And it makes no sense if you 2323 01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,880 don't look at everything because you're like, we have an 2324 01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:33,840 uninhabitable area. We have all this desert or cold. 2325 01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:38,680 It's either freaking 110° or it's really freezing with snow. 2326 01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:40,080 We've got all these mountains around. 2327 01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,560 Like it just seems like not the best idea. 2328 01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:46,000 And he's like, Yep, that's it. And then you look at it and it's 2329 01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,600 the one place we have mountains, but we have deserts, We have a a 2330 01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:52,640 Dead Sea basically here we have freshwater. 2331 01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:56,560 We have all kinds of weird like I would dare say natural portals 2332 01:59:56,720 --> 02:00:00,160 honestly, but. Yeah, and Utah, the Ute the idea 2333 02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:04,080 of the Utah, the utes the Jews and the Ishmaelites that they 2334 02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,080 that bring me on thought these native tribes were the 2335 02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:09,160 Ishmaelites similar to the ones in Egypt that took most. 2336 02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:11,400 What was this in? But again, OK, so Dachshund 2337 02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:14,520 Covenants 97. Yeah, verily, I say unto you, I 2338 02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:16,880 give you a commandment that you should build a house in which 2339 02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:20,200 you which house I have designed to endow those whom I have 2340 02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:22,960 chosen with the power from on high. 2341 02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:28,920 And verily, if Zion observed not do whatever I commanded her, I 2342 02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:31,840 will visit her according to her works with sore afflictions, 2343 02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:36,800 pestilence, plagues and the sword of vengeance with 2344 02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,520 devouring fire, right. And so this is a big thing for 2345 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:42,040 them is that they screwed up. They didn't do what they were 2346 02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:44,960 supposed to do in Missouri. You may end up, you know, in 2347 02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:49,000 Utah, which for whatever reason the government starts saying 2348 02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,280 everything horrible they can about Mormons every. 2349 02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:54,360 If you start looking for Mormon anti Mormon cartoons from the 2350 02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:58,160 1800s, it's something. It's crazy the East. 2351 02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:01,520 Paranoid has some. They're basically, yeah, I think 2352 02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:05,400 you went, there's some crazy stuff because they're trying to 2353 02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:08,880 convince people they need to go to war with Utah because Utah 2354 02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,400 was its There you go. Utah is this independent, 2355 02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,120 desperate women, its own nation, its own country. 2356 02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:18,080 The Yeah, the women are being forced into slavery, They're 2357 02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:20,560 being sexually trafficked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 2358 02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,840 All the stuff that they tried to make Brigham Young look. 2359 02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:25,920 But also, you know, they did try to leave. 2360 02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,120 They did try to leave America to be left alone, but then they 2361 02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:32,360 were reacquired. Right so they were surrounded 2362 02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:35,480 because of this propaganda campaign that they said we need 2363 02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:38,280 to go into Utah and invade. Invaded Utah. 2364 02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:42,600 You can't go back up Co-op. One and well. 2365 02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:45,760 Alligator. Alligator oil. 2366 02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:48,000 Oh, is it crocodile oil Time? Never mind. 2367 02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:53,040 Keep going. Yeah, they surround basically 2368 02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,400 the way that we invaded Mexico or we invaded another country. 2369 02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:58,080 Well, it actually one of the most important things would 2370 02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,800 invade Utah to conquer Utah. It's. 2371 02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:02,920 Kind of like Heaven's Gate, the film Heaven's Gate, right, which 2372 02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:05,800 is had two hours edited out of it, which I'm really curious 2373 02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:08,320 what those are where you have like from on high. 2374 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:12,720 They're like, you know, kind of like putting, putting people 2375 02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:15,280 against each other and like, they don't, they don't care 2376 02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:17,640 about like they just want them to take care of it. 2377 02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,840 You know, we got something. They're organizing. 2378 02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:22,560 They're doing this thing here. Let's just stamp that out. 2379 02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:25,600 We'll just do these propaganda campaigns to get everybody to 2380 02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:27,760 turn against each other, right? Is that what's happening here 2381 02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,840 or? Well, just like just like the 2382 02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:31,960 John D like that's the same, same thing. 2383 02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:34,800 Like he was trying to do what, bring everyone together under 2384 02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:39,200 what, 1 unified new world order? He's the first one that I know 2385 02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:42,840 of at least, that coined it. And the Mormons are very much 2386 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:45,680 like that back in the day. But they wanted it to be their 2387 02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:47,640 religion. They do want a one world 2388 02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:50,640 religion, but it has to be Mormons because everyone else is 2389 02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:52,080 going to hell. So. 2390 02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:55,360 But it, I mean, yeah, they're still keeping it divisive like 2391 02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:56,600 you're saying. Yeah. 2392 02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:01,840 Yeah, seems seems purposeful. Definitely, definitely. 2393 02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:05,160 They were definitely afraid of the the power of those people. 2394 02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:07,360 And I will say this for Brigham, though, I think he was an 2395 02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,200 asshole. And if you want to watch 2396 02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:14,760 Primeval and the, you know, this whole thing, it is like not 100% 2397 02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:17,240 true at all, but the show is interesting. 2398 02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:20,040 I do think, you know, he was a great leader. 2399 02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:23,400 Whether he led it correctly, that's not the point. 2400 02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:26,440 He led them regardless and scared some people. 2401 02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:30,000 But I also think, just like John DI think he got in bed with the 2402 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,920 president, not the queen, which sucks for him 'cause that's a 2403 02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:36,000 dude, but whatever. He at least had a chick, you 2404 02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:40,840 know? Yeah, never know. 2405 02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:43,240 You gotta have a beard. Me and Thomas have already 2406 02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:46,320 talked about that. I don't trust anybody's opinion 2407 02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,680 really, unless they have a big long beard. 2408 02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,920 Wizard Krishnamurti, you can joke about that, Krishnamurti be 2409 02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:55,640 like, I don't care how long the man's beard is. 2410 02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,920 It doesn't. You can't base somebody's 2411 02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:01,480 authority on their beard. I don't know. 2412 02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:04,800 Orson Pratt had quite a beard. I think if if the beard sticks 2413 02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:07,560 out in this big wild kind. Of well, Orson tells the truth. 2414 02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,120 He said too much stuff. They're going to make him. 2415 02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:14,720 Yeah, he said too many things. Orson, yeah, he tasted up 2416 02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:16,360 against Brigham Young quite a bit. 2417 02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:19,000 And then eventually silence. He tried to keep the magic, 2418 02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:21,480 Yeah, he tried to keep the magic, he really did. 2419 02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:25,000 He tried to keep the Koh lob and all the things, but no, no, no. 2420 02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,240 I hope I didn't completely derail you, Heidi 'cause I know 2421 02:04:29,240 --> 02:04:31,840 you had more things you were trying to share and I didn't see 2422 02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,120 it. Oh it, it's OK, this is fun too. 2423 02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:38,840 I I just wanted to make jokes too about their beards, 'cause 2424 02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:39,680 we just did that. Show. 2425 02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,320 Hold on corporate. Corporate wants you to find the 2426 02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:47,560 difference between. You would be a. 2427 02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:51,000 Big girl, you would be good. You got 55 lives. 2428 02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,440 You need 55 lives. Hey, where's the hat? 2429 02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:58,240 You need a top hat. That's true. 2430 02:04:58,240 --> 02:04:59,840 We just have some wild side for that. 2431 02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:02,240 Yeah, he needs, he needs all that. 2432 02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:04,880 So what's up with Abraham Lincoln with the hat? 2433 02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:07,360 Was that really him? Some kind of subliminal 2434 02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,480 statement about Joseph Smith, who had been assassinated? 2435 02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:10,520 Is that really where we're going with? 2436 02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:12,560 I think so. I think he's just trying to, you 2437 02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:16,240 know, people knew the imagery already because abolition, 2438 02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:18,640 before they knew about polygamy with Joseph Smith, they knew 2439 02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:20,280 about abolition with Joseph Smith. 2440 02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:23,600 So here is a guy who's a religious guy who's trying to 2441 02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:27,400 fight for equality, etcetera, of men and women and African 2442 02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:29,360 Americans. And so they already had the 2443 02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:30,920 imagery. So he's picking up on the 2444 02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:32,800 imagery. Even though most people didn't 2445 02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,280 know that he was using the hat for magical purposes, they knew 2446 02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:39,040 that that was the symbol associated with Joseph Smith. 2447 02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:43,560 And so and that became something 15 years later, he just used it 2448 02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:46,680 because it was. Do we know like the origin of 2449 02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:50,880 the rabbit in the hat trick being so like central to a 2450 02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:54,360 symbol of magic and then pull it, pull the tablets with the 2451 02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:56,480 hat? Is there like some crazy like 2452 02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:58,120 obvious connection there? I don't. 2453 02:05:58,120 --> 02:05:58,920 Know. I'll Google it. 2454 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:00,480 I don't know it. I don't know now, no. 2455 02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:03,200 Yeah, I was going to tell you. No, there's no there. 2456 02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:05,800 Just leave this one alone. But yeah, no, I don't know. 2457 02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:13,040 There is another direct Joseph Smith Abraham Lincoln connection 2458 02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:16,120 because it says here that Joseph Smith spent the winter in 2459 02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:19,120 Washington DC seeking compensation for the Saints 2460 02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:23,800 losses in Missouri in 1839. So he might have actually 2461 02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:29,360 brushed against Abraham Lincoln. So there's no record of the 2462 02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:31,600 meeting. It's just, it's another one of 2463 02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:33,800 those cases. There's a letter they wrote I 2464 02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:35,600 thought though, right? But I'll tell you, the 2465 02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:39,080 president's become very close with the Mormons later. 2466 02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:44,720 They make up and let me say, well, they're all buddies, I 2467 02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:50,960 believe at at this point. And Brigham, well, that too. 2468 02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:54,000 And Brigham Young runs away. But then the first thing he does 2469 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:58,200 is help finish the railroad. So I mean, he he has he has 2470 02:06:58,240 --> 02:07:01,440 interesting things he does. And I do think that he was smart 2471 02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:04,480 enough to see, you know, they were going to have to play ball 2472 02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:07,840 at some point. But he was extremely racist. 2473 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:09,840 He was horrible. He wasn't like Joseph. 2474 02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:12,760 He literally said if you see your wife in bed with a black 2475 02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:16,160 man, run a sword through both of them, then let him live, like, 2476 02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:19,200 kill them all. Like he was horribly racist. 2477 02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:22,480 So it got flipped. I'm always like a little 2478 02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:27,240 questioning of when we have like these feuds that are well known, 2479 02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:29,880 like inside where we look, we were talking about people like, 2480 02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,760 Oh yeah, they were really at odds with each other. 2481 02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:34,680 I always wonder if it's like, you know, how Jesse Ventura said 2482 02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:38,000 the Worldwide Wrestling kind of prepared him for politics like 2483 02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:43,960 John Kerry and, and, and George W like both being Skull and 2484 02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:47,640 Bones members and then, oh, they're really, you know, having 2485 02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:49,280 at each other here. And you're like, I don't. 2486 02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:51,360 Know man it. Seems like this is like just a 2487 02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:53,920 stage, you know? So that's a hair statement, 2488 02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:54,640 right? They are both. 2489 02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:57,640 Both of them. That's like the hat. 2490 02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:00,040 Abraham Lincoln was black. We all know this. 2491 02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:03,000 We all knew this, yeah. He needs the hat, that's why he 2492 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:06,200 wore it. Prince told me that Louis Comte 2493 02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:09,600 apparently is a Parisian magician called the King's 2494 02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:14,080 Conjurer, born in Geneva, who allegedly performed the first 2495 02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:19,040 rabbit out of a hat trick, even though Jean Eugene Robert Houdin 2496 02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:24,320 did some similar sort of conjuring and out of hat magic 2497 02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:26,320 before him. I'm sending in the private chat 2498 02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:31,840 the links to those two and then Isaac Fox might be the first one 2499 02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:35,240 famous for pulling anything out of anything else right out of 2500 02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:37,040 magic boxes and things like that. 2501 02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:41,760 But. Also a Mormon, I assume. 2502 02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:47,800 I mean he has that vibe but no. Allegedly this is earlier on. 2503 02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:52,440 So Louis Comte was from Geneva and apparently he was practicing 2504 02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:56,160 magic as well. But it's I'm not if you see it 2505 02:08:56,160 --> 02:08:58,720 was a Mormon or just like doing the same kind of folk magic, It 2506 02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:00,600 looks like they're both really interested in folk magic. 2507 02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:05,040 Well, you know, I truly they say folk magic, but I will say this, 2508 02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:08,880 it's Solomonic magic that they knew not to say all magic like 2509 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:12,280 or folk magic doesn't exist. I'm saying exactly from the 2510 02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:16,280 parchments they they knew more like the. 2511 02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:19,440 I wish they would quit making The Smiths look so stupid. 2512 02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:22,240 I hate it the worst. Like even though I'm not a 2513 02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:24,560 Mormon anymore, it's still annoying. 2514 02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:27,840 Like that's, yeah. Well, they're George Bush and 2515 02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:29,720 them. George W Bush and them, yeah. 2516 02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:31,680 Yep. Yep, in. 2517 02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:33,680 In In what sense? So it takes a wise man to play 2518 02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:35,720 the part of a fool and then are we projecting? 2519 02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:39,760 The yeah, they say they were poor farmers that didn't know 2520 02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,320 anything, couldn't even read or write. 2521 02:09:41,320 --> 02:09:43,080 But he's learning how to write Hebrew. 2522 02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:46,840 Good on you guys, Smart. Smart and all the follies are 2523 02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:50,880 just blamed on stray ignorance as opposed to apathy or design. 2524 02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,520 Right, there you go. Yeah, they were no fools. 2525 02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,160 Yeah, or it's 5D chess or whatever, you know. 2526 02:09:57,800 --> 02:10:01,840 That I agree that I agree that they were, but I don't think any 2527 02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:05,240 of that family was idiotic like they want to say they were. 2528 02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:08,200 That's just weird. I'm going to start driving us 2529 02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:12,480 home so let me know if anyone needs to stop for a break or or 2530 02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:15,240 get some snacks. Otherwise, we're, we're heading 2531 02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:18,080 home right now. Let me, let me, let me, let me 2532 02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:21,120 let Heidi do all of her plugs. If you want to hear more about 2533 02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:24,720 Heidi and John D and Joseph Smith and ultimately what's been 2534 02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:27,640 selling me more and more on Mormonism, the more I hear from 2535 02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:30,200 her, the more I wish I had grown up Mormon. 2536 02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:32,760 But go ahead and tell everyone if they also want to get 2537 02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:34,480 converted to Mormonism, where they can do that. 2538 02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:37,200 Well, remember, all the magic is gone now. 2539 02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:39,720 Brigham killed it all, so it's not quite the same. 2540 02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:42,440 It's. Relying on me to bring it back 2541 02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:44,960 and people like me to go in there and let them know that. 2542 02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,600 Go in there and let. Them know like I'm I'm a 2543 02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:50,280 treasure hunter. That's right. 2544 02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:54,280 Well, I definitely think they need some shaping up or maybe 2545 02:10:54,280 --> 02:10:58,040 just split the two, right? But there's the CIA fed Mormon 2546 02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:00,400 church and then there's the magical Mormon church. 2547 02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,160 So Brigham. The Magical Mystery Church. 2548 02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:06,480 Yes, and mystery schools, which what a better way to send your 2549 02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,480 kids away if you're in the elite population of the Mormon church 2550 02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,760 to a mystery school than an LDS mission. 2551 02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:17,240 It's all covered for you ta da but if you want to hear more 2552 02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:20,320 about silly Mormon things like that that are all true and 2553 02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:23,840 heavily researched because as silly as I am, I do like it to 2554 02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:27,360 be stand alone on these topics because I know how controversial 2555 02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:29,480 they are. Growing up Mormon living in 2556 02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,120 Utah. So there's that. 2557 02:11:31,120 --> 02:11:32,880 I live in Utah still. People hate me. 2558 02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:35,440 It's fine. But if you like me you can find 2559 02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:39,920 me. I'm filtered risepodcast.com or 2560 02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:42,760 unfiltered rise everywhere podcasts are served for pod 2561 02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:44,560 chaser. If you are finding me on 2562 02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:46,480 YouTube, you will. You'll only see me on here about 2563 02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:49,360 once a week because YouTube likes to slam me with little. 2564 02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:52,520 You did this bad or that bad and I really don't want to lose my 2565 02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:54,960 channel so check me out on Spotify. 2566 02:11:56,960 --> 02:12:00,160 That's it for me. Perfect. 2567 02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:02,480 It's difficult to navigate YouTube. 2568 02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:04,880 'S. Proclivity. 2569 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:10,440 Yeah, it's, it's a very tightrope we walk and I 2570 02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:13,040 appreciate all of you and it was so nice to meet you again. 2571 02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:18,040 The Next up we've got the amazing David Charles plate, the 2572 02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:23,840 MK Ultrasound 723, who always tells people to basically go to 2573 02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:27,400 the Twitter page, click on highlights, and then you've got 2574 02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:30,680 I don't know how many hundreds, 500 a 1000. 2575 02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:34,920 Technically there's more on the on the website, but I do have a 2576 02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:36,640 fair amount. It's definitely over 100 here on 2577 02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:40,680 Twitter I think. But yes, album film pairings. 2578 02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:43,720 So you can also just go to thesyncbook.com. 2579 02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:47,680 You're going to Scroll down a little bit and then you're going 2580 02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:52,480 to see Sync Flicks, which we've got a whole bunch of different 2581 02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,960 movies. The David's paired original 2582 02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:58,400 albums with movies the same way. What is it? 2583 02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:03,720 The Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd? Yep, that's the that's the first 2584 02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:06,960 one to really kind of popularize the idea of synchronizing albums 2585 02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:08,480 with films. But I've been, I've been at this 2586 02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:12,760 since junior high and I'm 43. And so it's, yeah, this is like 2587 02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:16,240 basically my wife's work up here for free streaming and download. 2588 02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:19,840 Don't watch it on the phone. Anyway, Apple doesn't like 2589 02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:21,360 these. It doesn't want to play them. 2590 02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,720 But if you're on a computer or you want to do HDMI or I, I 2591 02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:28,160 recommend downloading so you can just kind of cut through the 2592 02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:29,840 buffering if there's one that jumps out to you. 2593 02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:34,600 But yeah, this is many, many, many years of of, of work and 2594 02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:37,160 they're available for streaming for people interested. 2595 02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:42,160 Yep. And and then we've got the 2596 02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:44,560 Zurdus website. Which is 1 of. 2597 02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:47,360 One of many, though I don't see this one very often. 2598 02:13:47,720 --> 02:13:49,480 Exertus is everything. It's true. 2599 02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:51,440 Yeah. X church is live. 2600 02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:54,520 X church is real. If you want to learn more about 2601 02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:58,440 Tartaria or any of like the hidden history or talk more 2602 02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:01,680 about Mormonism, definitely check out my channel Watch 2603 02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:04,480 History Revised. This is a fun video to watch if 2604 02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:06,640 you haven't seen it already. You can look into some really 2605 02:14:06,640 --> 02:14:09,160 interesting ways of looking at things, generally new 2606 02:14:09,160 --> 02:14:12,240 epistemology. But yeah, watch Exertis, go to 2607 02:14:12,240 --> 02:14:14,800 Exertis on YouTube, go to exertis.com. 2608 02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:19,320 And then also, hey, don't forget to watch Heidi and Paranoid 2609 02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:24,800 American's whole series of Mormon Mondays because I've been 2610 02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:26,560 watching them through because I missed a bunch of them. 2611 02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:28,720 I'm going to try to get involved with the next ones that you do 2612 02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:31,160 because I think we should just like plug those even harder. 2613 02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:33,680 So that's some of my favorite podcasts I've been watching 2614 02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:35,480 recently. There's just so much fun to see 2615 02:14:35,480 --> 02:14:38,160 these conversations and I want to be more a part of them. 2616 02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:39,840 So thank you guys for doing that. 2617 02:14:40,440 --> 02:14:42,640 And then 01 more thing. If you are interested in like 2618 02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:47,080 Mormonism, like latter day St. mysticism from people that are 2619 02:14:47,560 --> 02:14:51,480 still practicing it, you could say I would recommend a couple 2620 02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:53,840 books. Let me pull up on my screen 2621 02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:55,640 here. Just two books that you could 2622 02:14:55,640 --> 02:14:58,320 look at that are these are church approved. 2623 02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:00,800 Basically, I think the Church is totally fine with these, which 2624 02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:03,840 is The Key to the Keystone by my dear friend Jonah Barnes. 2625 02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:06,600 This will tell you all sorts of interesting things about how 2626 02:15:06,600 --> 02:15:10,320 apocryphal texts unlock the Book of Mormon's brass plates. 2627 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:12,560 I think this is a really worth it book to read. 2628 02:15:12,840 --> 02:15:15,080 Whether you're for or against it, you ought to read this. 2629 02:15:15,080 --> 02:15:16,760 I mean, I think I'm going to send this to the Eastern 2630 02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:18,920 Orthodox. They should anybody interested 2631 02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:22,840 in Gnosis or Gnosticism or heresy, they should probably 2632 02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:26,560 read The Key to the Keystone. It's really fascinating deep 2633 02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:29,800 dive into things and it's forwards by John Butler, DJ, 2634 02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:32,280 who's been on the show. Before D John Butler is what is 2635 02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:34,040 up with these John DS all over the place? 2636 02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:37,960 And you you've actually met him because I've had you know, I've 2637 02:15:37,960 --> 02:15:41,000 had you on with him before. Actually, if you remember this 2638 02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:44,680 guy here, he's a writer who does sci-fi and also has his own book 2639 02:15:44,680 --> 02:15:47,200 on Mormonism in the language of Adam, which kind of relates to 2640 02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:50,040 what we were talking about earlier with Enoki and doctor or 2641 02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:52,880 DJD John Butler, DJ, we call him. 2642 02:15:53,240 --> 02:15:56,080 So check out, check out both of those books. 2643 02:15:56,520 --> 02:16:00,000 Key to the Keystone and in the language of Adam. 2644 02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:03,080 Both of them are really cool and they're not going to get you in 2645 02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:05,800 trouble, but they will get you in trouble in like the cool way 2646 02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:08,240 because you'll know way too much about mysticism and Mormonism 2647 02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:10,320 and I highly recommend them for sure. 2648 02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:17,640 Along with X Church dot US, which is, I believe the only 2649 02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:22,000 denomination that outwardly believes in time travel. 2650 02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:25,400 Yeah, and we're wearing time. Aliens might have that too, but 2651 02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:26,920 yeah, gotcha. I'm pretty. 2652 02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:29,920 Sure that they're just fooling around with space, not a time. 2653 02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:34,200 We wouldn't know the UFOs, the time machines, you know, I 2654 02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:35,559 learned a lot about this kind of stuff. 2655 02:16:35,559 --> 02:16:36,840 I do my best thinking on the bus. 2656 02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:39,040 You know, that's true. I don't drive, see. 2657 02:16:39,360 --> 02:16:42,240 This is our best bet for getting Heidi right back to Kolob. 2658 02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:43,520 She's. Sitting on the space-time bus. 2659 02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:45,760 With me. You're not supposed to say that 2660 02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:47,920 out loud, though. Now she's going to resist it. 2661 02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:50,959 She's got. Off the good, I think she's cool 2662 02:16:50,959 --> 02:16:52,680 with it. You can hold my hand second 2663 02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:53,639 third of the. Round in the. 2664 02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,240 Morning. We're going to never. 2665 02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:57,920 There we go. I can be. 2666 02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:00,360 I can be the one Living Waters in the group. 2667 02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:02,000 OK, that's a bad joke. Sorry. 2668 02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:05,840 Keep going. I'll throw my plugs at the very 2669 02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:07,240 end. I'm going to play a little NASA 2670 02:17:07,240 --> 02:17:10,320 comic and then I got credit to the end of all my videos. 2671 02:17:10,320 --> 02:17:14,080 If if you want to back me on Patreon, I'll put your ad, your 2672 02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:17,200 name in the final credits depending on your tier, even if 2673 02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:18,680 you want to just join on YouTube. 2674 02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:21,920 So please do that so we can keep bringing you more of these and 2675 02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:24,639 thank you guys for an awesome conversation. 2676 02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:27,240 I feel like we could do another John D Part 2 just like we're 2677 02:17:27,240 --> 02:17:30,200 going to do a Beards Part 2. Maybe John D will be in the 2678 02:17:30,200 --> 02:17:32,840 Mormon Beards Part 2. John D's cool beard. 2679 02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:35,000 Yeah, we're. Going to have some Kelly. 2680 02:17:35,559 --> 02:17:38,160 We should also talk about the 116 missing pages because that 2681 02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:41,040 was what Mark Hoffman was working on as he ended right 2682 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:45,000 before he got destroyed was, you know, Joseph Smith was supposed 2683 02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:47,680 to have had 116 pages which were destroyed. 2684 02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:51,520 The missing 116 pages and definitely important stuff to 2685 02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:55,120 look into more like what, what is it about those 116 pages that 2686 02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:57,120 the Mormon Church isn't allowed to see? 2687 02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:58,480 Right. Let's talk about that sometime 2688 02:17:58,480 --> 02:18:01,120 all. Right, next time guys, please. 2689 02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:05,240 Ready for a cosmic conspiracy about Stanley Kubrick, moon 2690 02:18:05,240 --> 02:18:09,120 landings and the CIA? 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If they get emotional hate. 2707 02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:03,920 Maybe your language, your game, how they playing it well without 2708 02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,440 Lakers evading whatever the course they are. 2709 02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:10,080 Out of shape shifts Thanksgiving decapitated man is the apex 2710 02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:14,400 execution of flame you out nuclear bomb distributed war 2711 02:20:14,520 --> 02:20:17,160 rather gruesome for eyes to see Maxim out. 2712 02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:19,840 Then I light my trees blow it off in the face. 2713 02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:21,600 You're despising me for what though? 2714 02:20:21,880 --> 02:20:25,600 Calculated and rather cut throat paranoid American must be all 2715 02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:28,480 the blood smoke for real. Lord give me your day your way 2716 02:20:28,520 --> 02:20:30,680 vacate. They wait around that hate 2717 02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:33,840 whatever they say man is not in the least bit. 2718 02:20:33,960 --> 02:20:36,440 We get heavy rotate when the beat hits.