Hello, welcome to the Exodus. The.
Welcome, do I start? You want me to do it?
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Well, that's an intro. Thank you.
I'm happy to be here. As always, I love talking some
Mormon talk. And what good are we without
Mormons in this chat today? I won't ruin it.
Right. Like John D?
Yeah, he's got a stone. He talked to angels.
What the hell? Right, we wouldn't.
You know, it's funny because when I was a kid, I used to
think it's crazy how they won't like the missionaries.
Like Protestant missionaries go to like Africa.
And then they, they tell you, hey, if you read our Bible, then
we'll feed you, you know, and that's basically their whole
deal is like, we'll let you eat food if you like, learn about
John 316, But you have to do it in God's language, English,
which is really weird. I always thought until I started
learning about Shakespeare being Edward de Vere, the Earl of
Oxford, and that John Dee was so important to the creation of
modern English. Because if you read Beowulf, the
way they sell it to you, and it's an old English and an
Anglophresian tongue, you realize that English has nothing
to do with English. It's like English 2 point O.
It's like Coca-Cola classic or something like that.
It's not the original, but this new.
Pepsi Clear. It's like Pepsi, the Pepsi, you
know for sure. But there's this whole, there's
this whole new English. We speak new English, which is
the Queen's language. And it's not just the Queen's
language, it's the Freemasons language.
And it's more than that. It's John D and Edward Kelly's
synthesis of angelic tongues, Right?
Like John D created the modern English or, or you believe what
he said because he said something different.
He didn't say I came up with English.
He said, I put my head in a hat and I use magic rocks.
Sound familiar? And then I come up.
With this new. It's not even a new way.
It's atomic. It's the Enochian tongue,
English, English, the English, the angel's language.
We're speaking God's language. God being Adam, of course, as
Brigham Young said so. There it is.
And and everyone that I talk to goes, what does John D
Rockefeller have to do with anything?
I'm like, he was the cousin of Joseph.
But that's not we're talk. We're not even going there
today. We're talking about another guy
and he's so hidden and it's so sad.
Like I, I mean, I'm not in a cultist, but I sure do read a
lot of books and you're. You're like an esoteric.
You're like. I know I'm some weirdo.
You're. Like the decal sink is.
Is this in the capacity I look question I guess?
All right, you in the front. What do you have?
Yes, you. Enochian, the the language.
Like the only time I can remember that I've ever seen
heard somebody speaking Enochian is recordings of Alistair
Crowley. There's a few of them.
I have it on on on vinyl. It's a very hipster thing to
say, especially if you're talking about vinyl with
Crowley, but can? You play it backwards.
It's active to Chicago. Right, right, right, exactly.
But I don't know when you, when you, when you listen to it like
it's, I don't know, like if it's specific to like Crowley, but
like, like his pronunciation is like, it feels very
intentionally like it's, it's feels like it's made to sound
like sinister or like we're like, 'cause he, he talks that
way anyway. So like I've actually I've been
pressuring Andreas a little bit to do and it didn't AI prompt to
get like Crowley's voice. So I can use it for a project
that I'm going. We can just.
We can read. That into 11 labs my friend and
then you just say anything you want.
I Yeah, well, I want, I want to do a back and forth between
Crowley and Jim Morrison with an American prayer in the book of
the law. Because if you do every other
line, because it's all late anyway, it's this whole that's a
whole you think. The OTO would try and claim
copyright. Yeah, A. 100 percent, 100%.
Well, there's something happening right now.
We discussed it recently with Weiser.
But so this is the problem with me.
If I go to discuss John D, no matter what, I'm just going to
find any way that I can to bring it into Crawley, because I'm
more familiar with Crawley than I am John D, although there's
some things to be discussed. One common, common, one major
commonality is like the Andreas and I have discussed many times,
there's a great book on the sinking of the Lusitania and
Aleister Crowley's role in that and how like overtly that
relates to John Dee's goings on with the whole Armada and the
Queen and how that all went down.
So I don't know, I don't know what direction we want to go
today, but I would like to talk about the obvious stuff that
that we've discussed before, but I would like to go deeper into
it. Heidi, if you're more familiar
with the obelisk scrolling mirror thing and and all that.
I feel like it's also Sunday, so we have to talk about the good
Book of Mormon a little bit. And at least my, my introduction
to some of the, the reason why me and Heidi were even talking
about it is that she equates John D magic and Enochian and
all the sigils to Joseph Smith in like a very direct way.
And I think that that's kind of, so I would actually like to, I
need a refresher like what what are the similarities between
Joseph Smith and John D? Well, I mean, you know, if you
look at what Joseph had, especially with the parchments,
he's definitely practicing Solomonic magic.
But since I've talked to you all last, I did a really good deep
dive on Dartmouth College. They've really like to obfuscate
this. And it's like, wait a minute,
there's so much going on here that this is like critically
important because his cousin from both sides, Professor
Johnny Smith, worked at Dartmouth College and he was a
professor of not only languages, but the rare book stealer.
And he owned the Scott of Chronicon, multiple other very
important books that Joseph would have had access to.
And I do believe he was very smart.
I hate, look, I don't hate Mormonism.
I hate what they do to Mormonism, right?
Like this is they destroy it because it they want it
unmagical. They want to unmagic Mormons.
So. I confronted a couple couple
Mormons at my house that were coming by relatively regularly
and then they switched them out. So you get used to one couple of
people and then they can bring and they do the now the sisters.
So they sent out, they sent out the girls and if there's a girl
around, they can come in and hang out.
If there's no which if you guys watch that really effed up movie
Heretic that came out not long ago, they do a play on that
where he's like, Oh, you can hear my wife like would that
really work? Like she's in the kitchen making
blueberry muffins or something, you know?
I don't think it would work after that show, but.
I was actually, I was kind of disappointed to find out from
these one, one of the Mormon girls in particular was very
knowledgeable on the more esoteric side of things.
So I wanted to know about the fire salamander because I was a
fan of the fire salamander idea. And like that whole thing is
much cooler than just taking the tablets out of the hat deal.
And I was told that that not only how like that that was
made-up, but like how it came. No it wasn't.
No it. Wasn't they went off on me for A
at least an hour explaining detail by detail how that
specifically came about and I can't?
Argue they changed it. They changed it, but it was
originally something like a toad, and there's an affidavit
to back this up, a court document that backs this, and
they don't like it. And I'm going to be Devil Zack
here. I get crucified for it all the
time, and it is what it is. But I dare say they set Mark
Hoffman up to make that story a little better.
I'm sorry. And they made him die.
Yeah. Or they killed people died over
this, which is also kind. Of so you're arguing just to be
clear, that there is some validity to the story.
It was embellished and then that embellishment was taken as a
falsehood. Is that?
So what? What actually was the real and
remember the time frame that we have here and you have to
remember the background. The real background of Joseph
Smith and his family is from near Salem, Topsfield,
Massachusetts. We have very distinct selectmen
of Topsfield, you know Captain Samuel Smith, all these people.
But but the problem is the the Captain Samuel Smith, but his
father above that just Samuel Smith, he was involved in the
Inquisition. So the Mormons do not like to
speak about witchcraft because he helped hang some witches.
The witch he helped hang was Mary Eastie.
And the problem with that is, is they don't want anything to do
with magic anymore since since Joseph died and Brigham's
church, which we've spoke about many times, you know, Joseph's
church was very magical minded, but Brigham's church was not.
And so they changed everything. But, but think of what they did
with that. It's so powerful.
They took a witch's familiar, which is a toad, and they
changed that into something that's very Templar is right.
This, this white salamander not forged by the flame.
Let's get real. They, they, they made that nice
and they could have buried that in the vault, but they chose to
blast it. I remember when this came out,
because I'm old, that that they blasted it on the enzyme.
They blasted it on all these things.
The enzyme is the magazine that the church puts out.
And I remember this so clearly that they they kind of ran with
it. And I thought, wow, that's
really a weird, a weird thing to run with for the Mormons, you
know? Yeah.
So Heidi, I'm still disappointed now because I I brought out like
the the the manly T Hall secret teachings of all ages looked.
Up they crapped and left. I, I, yeah, I showed them the
thing with the salamander. I read them the from multiple
sections of the book when that comes up in the significance of
it in alchemy. And I was like, I really like
this idea. I got to say I was kind of
attached to it. So you're kind of spoiling it
anyway because. Craft was.
Sorry, yeah, we got to look at the picture I put up there
because, like, compare the this white salamander, this is a
regular white salamander to Pepe.
And when you start thinking about the Pepe cat connection, I
think there's something kind of interesting there about Mark
Hoffman's whole thing. And you probably should know a
bit about Mark Hoffman because he was allegedly this great
recorder and archaeologist essentially.
And all of a sudden he's involved with the deaths of
important people and he's a forgery creator of forge
forgeries. And it the idea that he was just
up to a point putting out documents until they were trying
to buy all the documents they could from him.
You know, the the Latter Day St. Church was trying to
intellectual reserve, which is, by the way, the Disney company
of the Mormons. They own all of the symbolism
for Mormonism is intellectual reserve.
So intellectual reserve went and so we're going to pay millions
of dollars, just whatever you got.
We need more. And it's this weird, like
devil's bargain, like they're going to give him so much money.
He's got to produce all these documents.
And then they're saying, well, he's producing fake documents
because, you know, he can't keep up with the delivery that we
need like 30 or 40 documents and he's only got like 12.
So he has to like produce more or something like that.
And this person, who's it? The person that originally he
killed, allegedly, right? It was someone involved with the
documents, but but the problem with him as well is what happens
to him after the fact. But I'm going to let you finish
first. I just.
Wanted to remember the name of the guy he supposedly killed.
I'm trying to find it right here.
Murder. William E McClellan, I think is
the one. Or McClellan papers.
We don't even want to get there today.
Yeah. I mean, essentially there were a
number of documents that he sold to a very wealthy Mormon, right?
And then they say he possessed an unregistered Uzi machine gun
pistol that he used to to kill the person that was purchasing
the documents. And they use this to lock him up
essentially for the rest of his life.
But all right, I want to hear Heidi's version of it because I
think you have more to say. Well, I just know that after so
I have an insider that actually takes care of him at the prison
now. And so I know that he is still
there and I know what happened to him after the fact.
And anybody can Fact Check me on this because I fact checked him
because that's what you do. And so he actually stopped
speaking to the press. At first.
He was speaking to the press. This is why we actually get the
Lafferty murder case and we get to know about Under the Banner
of Heaven, which I actually met the surviving husband the on the
Lafferty case and had a very in depth conversation with him.
But they moved forward and said, Hey, we're Mormon.
We'll speak to you about this. And he wouldn't Mark Hoffman was
like, Nah, I'm, I'm, I'm done talking to you guys.
And then we found out why he had tried to UN alive himself,
apparently left in maximum security unattended, not checked
on for over 12 hours and laying on his right arm, his writing
arm. And I promise you he will never
forge again because it is now completely neurologically
damaged. So after that, he shut up.
Yeah. It's interesting, that's all you
can say. You could still use the left
side though. I think the the biggest part of
being a good forger is just the the will and the commitment to
do it. Right.
He might have been teaching himself some more things like, I
mean, but doesn't surprise me that, you know, they've tried a
couple times to say he's attempted twice at least.
So I just find that very interesting.
Knowing that I work at a psychiatric hospital as a nurse,
we have to check on them every 12 minutes and round on them and
check their breasts. And I'm, I know that it's the
same. It's not probably every 12
minutes at the prison, but it's often it's at least.
An hour. Whatever happened with Epstein
anyway? I also want to say like it was
confirmed by so many people before they said it was a
forgery. He had like the most famous, not
just Mormons, the most authenticated documents by some
of the greatest document authenticators, right
handwriting experts in the world like Charles Hamilton Junior.
And then the person from the Mormon church, who he's from the
he's from the First Presidency, Dalen H Oaks.
He's like, I think one of them. Isn't he basically the next
runner up or something? Like that I believe.
So he should be. He's the guy.
Who's going to be the prophet next, right?
Assuming all goes well, assuming and, how are?
You spelling prophet. I'm a prospective member here.
But I mean, he, he said there's no way there's no problem.
Like we can easily, we can connect the salamander, this
white salamander to the Angel Moroni, he said.
You know that there's no problem with the words White salamander
can be reconciled with Angel Moroni because salamanderer
might also refer to a myth, a mythical being thought to be
able to live in fire. Well, it's an elemental.
And so we're literally talking about like a, a like it's like
in a dream, the way that you'll have something that you're
accessing, but your mind with the power of your mind is such
that it will, it will create a, like a, like a, like a image
that's like a delivery system. Like it's like, how do you
articulate this in a way that you could, you could actually
receive? And that's like the hierophantic
task is 1 of that you have something that's so abstract or
so it's spiritual in nature that how do you, what is the
receptacle to which you're going?
That's something that can provide this information to you
in such a way. So it's an intermediary kind of
like representation that your mind can give you.
Was my understanding of all the elementals obviously not just
the salamander, but I oh OK, this these are three different
books on the same thing or. These I believe it's the same
book. All the different publications.
The book with the stamp, yeah, is the one I've read and it's
really good. OK, so I was, I was sharing you
showed for a second Thomas, the, the, this pairing of so Jim,
this is crazy, but Jim Morrison's An American Prayer
was written in a specific way. And if you look at the actual
like, it's like the scans of his own handwriting, you can see the
way that it's laid out with, with these dashes.
And so there's an image there on the side.
So if you count these dashes, if you go through the whole thing,
it, it, it's very close, like one off from the first section
of Aleister Crowley's book of the law.
And so I discovered that if you, if you do, it's actually, this
is a kabbalistic tool that's often used just with words and
verse, Bible verses where they'll go every other verse in
order to like, they'll like you can, it's related to like if you
put your hands like folding your hands in prayer, like it's an
interweaving. So I, I interweave the text.
So here you have the, the king of wands, notice that there's
the lizard behind his back and then the lizard by his side.
So this is literally the lizard king, right?
And so, and then you have it for Crowley.
You have what's the first line of The thing is how the
manifestation of new IT right? Or however you say the Egyptian
goddess, that's the sky goddess that is infinite space, right.
And then you have Jim Morrison is known for his celebration of
the lizard is celebration the lizard a pun on is treating Newt
as though it's a pun on like a Newt, like a, a it's like a
salamander kind of right kind of thing.
So it's it's it's relatable in that way.
So I have, I have this, this is this is something that
throughout the text, there's examples of things that are just
unfreaking believable. Like they're, they're like, like
where this is a conversation between the two that gets
sometimes so specific and so direct, like Crawley saying my
incense. Well, Crawley's channeled work
saying my incense is made of resinous woods and gums.
And then the next line from Morrison is, is mirror box.
Are you more real than me? I'll burn you and set you.
Free. It's like these these these
line. Yeah, there you go.
You could just jump right into it.
Yeah. So, yeah.
So. Oh, and then like Crowley having
like and I have a secret glory for them that love me.
And it's in the next line is mirror mask.
I love you mirror. So it's like it's so specific.
It gets ridiculous. But yeah, I know.
I don't know. I just wanted wanted to share
that. Also that the Newt Newt is kind
of funny. Yeah, and just like lizard
people and Shalamanders, I remember people saying that when
I was a kid as a joke. But there's some things about
Mark Hoffman that are kind of interesting because we're we're
told that this is a guy who hated the Mormon church, which
is, First off, as far as we can tell, not true.
He was, I served on a mission. He was a member of the church.
They say he was an atheist. What?
But only privately, Like he privately had become kind of an
atheist or something. But if that's the case, then he
served on a mission, married in the church, his wife and him.
They say his, you know, wife left him and they broke up or
something. But when did that happen?
After the forgeries came to light?
So he was considered a good standing member of the.
Church never saw anything? Yeah, never, Ever.
And so all of a sudden he's considered to be the this, this
liar and everything else, but only after this all happens up
until while the church is buying these records, while Dale, Dale
and Oaks is presenting that it's completely possible that Moroni
is a lizard person. Essentially.
He, you know, he's all he's, he's basically considered to be
in and he served in Bristol too. So he went to where Brigham
went. You know, he's got a really
interesting history connecting him with the history of the
Mormon church. There's, there's not a lot of
evidence that he was somehow like angry at the church or
anything like that. And he's if he's someone who's
so deep into the church that he's trying to create these
forgeries. The other thing is that there's
not a lot of evidence that he was supposed to be this great
forger because the people that are referring to this, these
letters as authentic, they've shown that this is some of the
greatest forgeries allegedly of all time.
This is some of the. Like everything.
It's too perfect to be someone who just was, you know, they,
they make him sound like he's just this idiot from this
backwards part of Utah. You know he lived in like the
the bottom. They like that, Yeah, they like
that idiot thing. But the, you know, if he's such
an idiot, like he did an amazing job.
I mean, this is one of the, this is exactly what they say about
Joseph Smith. Like, well, he wasn't educated,
so. And.
Great. Well then, do it again.
Remark. And.
Who are the people? The Tanners?
So the first group to say that these are forgeries are Gerald
and Sandra Tanner. What's Gerald's middle name?
Gerald D Tanner. Well, she's Brigham Young
progeny. She.
EE yeah, Sandra Tanner is related directly to Brigham
Young. She speaks about it often and I
believe she's a granddaughter or something.
Just FYI on that. And for people to look up this
toad story. I do like to give my references
because people come hard at me for this because it's very
unbelievable. And for you to speak to your
missionaries in future. BH Roberts Foundation, you will
find this. Edie Howe, October 1834 for the
testimony affidavit of Willard Chase from September 21st, 1823.
If you guys want to look it up, there it is.
It is absolutely there. And you know, they can't say
that it isn't. I mean it, it is what it is.
And here's the problem with it is he doesn't just say it's a
toad. It became something like a man
and punched him in the face. So that's kind of a lot, but
there it is. Like you, I mean, we can't just
Chuck it out because it sounds crazy.
I know that it's not my story. I got yelled at because, you
know, people were saying, oh, she's crazy.
I I've never heard this once in my life.
And I'm like, super cool. I'm not unhinged.
It's there. I'm just a better researcher
than you. Go find it.
Shout out old world Mick Mack. He's starting drama.
No, no, no. I really like him.
He's got great information. And and I want to.
Emphasize too, on like what what David was picking up on that I
think was the implication too, is that Hoffman, who's a forger
by his own, where there's a quote here.
When I was 12 years old, I began collecting coins.
Soon afterwards figured out a crude way to fool other
collectors by altering coins to make them look desirable.
So he's ascribing between the ages and 12 and 14.
He perfected A forgery method for like just the coin collector
market. So this was a guy that was maybe
first and foremost a really good forger, which is something that
was claimed like think of Joseph Smith in some cases too,
especially of doing like treasure, like hidden treasures
and finding all sorts of hidden little items and objects.
But but this guy Mark Hoffman, he almost seems like he has more
correlations to Joseph Smith too.
Like he kind of fits into this. Yeah, they, I mean, I can't say
whether he did or did not commit a crime and he was convicted of
it. But I will say this at that
time, remember, we're talking about the Inquisition before
this. I don't know that people would
put it down on paper and go to all the trouble to go be present
in court to give an affidavit and statements against someone.
And they just say it's because the Willard Chase family hated
The Smiths and they were neighbors.
Listen, Doctor Nathaniel Smith, that saved Joseph Smith's leg
also cousin on both sides, OK? They will say he has nothing to
do with the families. It's a lie.
You can trace it back in the genealogy, and I have.
And so when you go do that and see that he married Sally Chase,
the neighbor, OK? And there's this intermingling
of these families that doesn't seem all this angry or what not,
right? And and so it just doesn't make
a whole lot of sense other than the fact they were trying to
spin it. I'm not saying that he didn't
forge something to help the church, but I think he did it
for certain reasons. I think that they saw the
problem, they needed to get ahead of the problem.
And it sounded much better for this to be a Salamander because
then we get into Knights Templar and we already know that there's
connections. They're actually through Canada,
which heads to make that country.
So anyways. So but but the point being like
what's if the salamander was introduced to replace the toad?
It's on multiple levels. One of those levels is the
salamanders, a better symbol for them to incorporate going
forward. Right.
Difference between alchemy and witchcraft, right?
It's. 1. 100 totally brings it to a witchcraft place.
Like, so it's classic, you know what I mean?
Like she's got the, the boiling pot, what's the toad and the
hair and the, you know, yeah. Yep, and.
The. Hair, yes, yeah.
If you know anything about this family, like it's not like they
didn't continue on. I mean, they they dug them up,
they made coffin canes. They cut their hair and put them
in the knobs and gave them out to everybody with the rotting
carcasses on the canes. And then his wife snipped hair
also and wore it till the day she died.
So like, let's not play that these people don't know things,
you know what I mean? Like that's what the church
hates. The church hates it.
And the other I'm sorry. Go ahead.
I was going to quickly say like, so the idea that he confessed,
right? So at a certain point you have
the attorneys for the intellectual reserve that are
working against Mark Hoffman and they're making a plea bargain.
So in the plea bargain, they're going to say, you have to say
that this was a forgery. If you want to reduce the, we're
going to, we'll drop some of these charges against you.
We already have you dead to rights essentially about the
murder of Stephen Christensen. That's who it is.
And so Stephen Christensen, you know, supposedly murders this
guy. And you can watch this like
Netflix has, which is weird because we have Netflix
documentaries that talk about the scary, weird fringe
Brighamite versions of Mormonism.
And then they have the Mark Hoffman documentary, which is
the most gracious Netflix documentary on Mormonism,
talking about this guy who's trying to make the church look
bad, essentially. And so he's he's not saying that
anything's fake until they force to then he says, OK, I forged
the letter. And you know, he has people
saying, OK, I have witnesses that he actually dissolved, you
know, disavowed himself from the church.
They're probably, I mean, they I haven't found a record that says
he ever left the church, and I don't know when exactly he would
have been excommunicated. The church doesn't.
They don't have a public. Record of that if they did well.
You know, Lori Vallow's never been excommunicated, so maybe
they didn't. One of them, but you know who,
but you know who has been excommunicated is the Tanners,
right? The Tanners both left the
church. And so this whole thing is
really interesting. But one of the one of the things
that Mormons are really good at is, is having money.
And one of the ways they can show that they truly respect
what you're doing is probably by giving you money.
And they gave Hoffman ungodly amounts of money, right?
And I feel like they. Say well.
They they say because they. Just one time we're we're
taking. Private Bishop.
Yeah, they did. It through a private Bishop.
What I'm just saying is that the second anointing is also one of
the things that they bestow upon people that make a very huge.
It's like it's like getting 33rd degree in Mormonism is getting
the second anointing right. So it doesn't seem out of a
question that Hoffman could have been offered a second anointing.
Which means that despite everything that he goes through
in the public sphere, he still knows that he gets to reap all
of the extra like afterlife benefits, especially if he's
still active. And his family were part of that
weird polygamous thing, too. Yeah, they could.
They own him on that one. But the he admitted his family
were part of the fringe polygamous sect of what's his
name like? The the odd What's that guy?
The weird guy who wrote books. Like.
The wife of Jesus or whatever. Oh, no, yeah, that's I'm a yeah,
the whole Templar. It's probably through the
Kingstons. Yeah.
Maybe there's the other guy, maybe the the branch group too.
Ogden Kraut. Whoever Ogden Kraut was a part
of, I don't know if he's in the Kingston's or not.
Kingston's are like, definitely the richest.
Weird, one of the weirdest groups of the Mormons, super
rich. And yeah, you know, they like,
marry their daughters to their cousins and everything like
that. They're not the FLDS though.
They're not part of the Warren. Jeff.
What's his name? No War and Jeff is separate, but
Kingston's actually believe they have the divine right to rule
and that they keep their bloodlines pure by marrying and
intermarrying. And then they got rich enough.
And by the way, they donate to some really interesting
politicians, but that's beside the point.
They don't like. Really an interesting guy, by
the way. For sure.
I'm just like, OK, this is very interesting to look at this.
And then they got enough money to actually have a geneticist on
hand to make sure they don't have the the birth defects from
marrying their sisters and brothers or whoever.
They figure it out. Trying to cheat the system, man.
That's what that's classic. That's I was just going on about
this on freaking Twitter because I was like, people are talking
about the loophole phenomenon with like Shabbat for Jewish
people and that they have all these ways of getting around
these rules of the Shabbat. You're like, OK, well, how can
you do this? Well, we do it this way and it's
like you're trying to get around.
But I'm like, that has its basis in the Old Testament.
Many times the most, the most direct way place that I know
that is in the building the temple in the 1st place where
they're like the Hashem is like, don't build the temple to David.
And then Solomon goes ahead, builds it anyway by using
materials from an outside land because he's because even though
the point was that it won't be built by human hands, it still
isn't the temple. So there's these arguments.
But then I was like, Hey, what is half the freaking New
Testament, you know, is a search for loopholes having to do with
what is explicitly said in the Gospel.
And then even beyond that, you look at the papacy and just like
all through time. This is why sometimes have a
difficult time communicating with with like heavy duty
Catholics, because they'll like negate something that's like
overtly said in the Gospel, because this Pope 305 hundred
whatever years ago made some correction to to the to the
thing. And then they're like, Oh, but
he said this. Therefore, whatever I'm like,
isn't the word of Jesus Christ the thing, You know, like,
excuse me, but you know, it's like we, we go there.
But I just, I wanted, I wanted to ask because I'm looking at
the seer stone thing with Joseph Smith and I just want to know,
like, what are the specific correspondences between what
John D was doing with his with like, like the the seer thing
with the obelisk? Like, because I've, I've seen it
in person actually at the British Museum and it's, it's,
it's, it's not, you know, it's, it's, there's the beeswax
figures with the geometrical septogram and all of that, the,
the two different ones. But apparently though, this was
more of like a visualization tool too, because these are
actually meant to rotate with each other.
So it's like it communicates another like you, you seems like
you're pretty hip to this area. So I've seen it demonstrated
where people would just use paper.
So they'll make a paper model of each and then they'll twist them
into each other. And also the fact that there's
the crystal ball that was supposed to be on top.
And it's not just what you've seen with the Enochian, like
flat. It's actually like what the
Enochian does through the crystal as you're looking from
one side and you're rotating the two sections together.
And like, I don't even know, like how much of this is in the
mind? How much of this is material of
what does this have to do? How does this connect
specifically to Mormonism? Because it seems like it's taken
directly from like it almost feels like there's like a
secret, Like there's like a, a very esoteric like line of
practice that is being utilized, not just referenced, but
utilized by Joseph Smith. So can you speak on that a
little bit? Well, I can tell you my
hypothesis is that I do believe the family was, you know,
exposed to magic. Not only that, I believe that
Joseph Smith was a martinist. They all want to say
Freemasonry. Me and paranoid American have
spoken about like the time frames and the lining up he
would have had. They always say, oh, he didn't
know anyone. He wouldn't know how he was
definitely able to be at Dartmouth.
His cousin has got all this rare book knowledge.
He's. Also his brother was in term.
Language. And they lived there.
Morris Morris College, which was.
This is what I'm talking and guess and guess what?
The family lived there when that was going on on campus at the
Trustees House. And so this is like been all
obfuscated like completely. Also, you know, Solomon
Spaulding was a student of Professor Johnny Smith and
Doctor Nathan Smith goes on to make Yale Medical School.
And you know that the Mormons are a big part of Skull and
Bones and its creation and have their own branch here in Utah.
Yes, so. So, so how does so where's the
so with Yale Skull and Bones, how does that is it just that
there's people who were Skull and Bones members who then got.
Like they, they're part of the they're part of the founding,
the same group that's founded the Yales.
Also there's a a group of skull and bones at the BYU and I I
forget if it's. Also, no U of UU of U Yeah, BYU
would never because you know, they they want to look cold.
For them. This is This is the explanation
right here with Russell M Nelson, part of a satanic cult
called Skull and Bones in college.
This is from. No, I know it's a.
It's like, no, it's another skull and bones, a completely
different skull and bone. We just.
It's not really what you're trying to argue.
Basically it is a different skull and bones, but it was set
up and it's one of the only sanctioned ones set up by the
actual founding members to ever be created and the only other
difference is instead of scrolling key, it's owl and key
and so. They have.
Knowledge. There's a couple of things there
too. So like because Hiram Smith,
Joseph's brother, was welcomed into Dartmouth's Moore College,
Moore's College for Native Americans or something is the
name of the program. It's a more the, they call
masonry the Moore Sciences, right?
So Moore's College, one of the ideas is that they would find
people that were eligible or intelligent enough and they
would kind of foster them or advocate for them to go into to
a school, whether or not they were wealthy enough to go into
the school. Like it was something that
basically a scholarship program. And and it was not created for
Native Americans. It was created as priests to
teach them to be basically priests to the Native Americans.
And so these people that went there, I mean, this was like a,
a very, they have the same like classes.
They were intermingled. It wasn't separate.
It wasn't less than, it was just set up for a specific reason to
go teach to the native people and that's it.
And also the kind of ideal that they thought, well, we're the
new American natives to an extent, right?
Like we're the real Americans now.
And this all happened in the 20s.
So the 1820s is William Morgan's disappearance and the beginning
of the anti Masonic hysteria. So all of a sudden they have to
hide masonry and they kind of have to shuffle the kind of shut
down publicly a lot because at that point everybody is so pro
Mason. But.
Not Joseph married his wife, but that's.
Fine, yeah. What's what's later William
Morgan's relationship to all this other than just just say he
picked up on it and then rejected it or what?
That that his wife then got married to Joseph Smith of.
Spirit Seal. Is that really what it is?
Yeah, for real. Real.
Yeah, I'm learning a lot today. I like this.
What the hell? What?
Was her name Heidi? Listen to this Morning and she
threw a big fat fit when Joseph died.
PS And you're not supposed to do that as like the whatever wife
you are, it's supposed to be number Uno that gets to be like
in black. And she showed up in black and
was like hysterical. And it's all noted that this
happened like. Throwing yourself on the.
Coffin. I'm like, oh boy, this is
scandalous. Why am I getting like Marjorie
Cameron vibes right now? What is for sure for?
Sure. Yeah, exactly.
Because that's another important thing is these women were not
like, you know, if you think about it, you got one team
teenage bride. And if you're this blonde psycho
occultist who's got a cult, you're going to marry as many
hot teenagers as you can. And instead Joseph Smith, I'm
just saying like Brigham Young, right?
But like what what Joseph Smith does is he gets these spirit
ceilings to all sorts of the like Richie women.
Like look at the women that he's associated with.
They're a lot older than him a lot of the time, like 1520 years
older than him. They're super interested in
magic and divine revelation and their spirit soul bonding.
That's really what they're all, this is what the Mormon say to
this day. He's like, well, he might not
have actually even had sexual relations with that woman, quote
UN quote. He might have just been that he
was spirit bonded to these women and he really prayed.
He wanted not to, you know, like polygamy wasn't his idea.
He didn't inhale right? He did.
Not have. Relations with the.
But the But this Angel of fire came down with a fiery sword and
said, Bro, you better marry these women better do it.
And he was like scared by the Angel with the fiery swords
like. Come on.
My left hand behind my back, Yeah.
Exactly. That's exactly he had to do it.
I mean, it was forced and, and just so people know, on the
Skull and Bones founder William Huntington Russell is the one we
are Speaking of. And not to put apart from the
Huntington Relief Society, which was one of the first Relief
Society presidents ever, specifically Zena Diantha
Huntington Young, who was very important.
And Speaking of women that had powers, she was known to have
the most best outcomes giving blessings because they used to
give patriotic bless and like, not patriotic blessings things
anyways, when when now they can't.
They can't hold the priesthood. Matriarchical.
Wait wait wait, wait wait wait wait wait a second.
I thought that Bruce Wayne's great grandfather founded Skull
and Bones. I specifically saw it in the
Adam West Batman movie where they say I heard he was tapped
for Skull and Bones and they're corrected.
No, he founded Skull and Bones, so it wasn't Bruce Wayne's
great. Wasn't that in the TV show?
Not that that was in the TV show, but yeah, Bruce Wayne,
probably a Mormon. Bruce Wayne's probably a.
Mormon, probably. I mean, they always are.
It's always Mormons. And so they always, they always
think it's that, that one three letter word.
We're not going to say because I don't want to get shut down, but
it's probably not them. It's it's the Mormons.
Babylonian, Yeah. Yeah.
But there's also, there's also something there because the
women, yeah, if you look at who he was bringing, whom bringing
Joseph Smith welcomed into the church to be priests, you have
black priests. There's even a offshoot for a
while of black Mormons because Brigham Young doesn't allow them
to stay with the church. But there's there's an entire
group of black Mormons that are practicing African mysticism,
which is why Joseph was so into them.
He's like, well, you obviously know all kinds of stuff that
hasn't been corrupted by the apostasy of the East West schism
of the Orthodox Catholics after the fall of Istanbul or
Constantinople. And yeah, he was the, this is
the fun one for me is that they got kicked out.
You know, he First off, just visit the transhumanist blonde
dude from New York City who goes through Missouri's Mormon wars,
where they start genociding Mormon kids and they find out
that they can go to Missouri and then Illinois.
Because there's a guy in Illinois who's a government
official who says you can have this piece of land called
commerce. And they're going to turn
commerce into all of a sudden he's like, oh, I'm going to
build this new Star Wars Episode 1 city called Nabu, not Naboo,
but Naboo. And it becomes the biggest city
in Illinois. Naboo is bigger than Chicago at
the time. And the person who did and at
the time, Joe Smith, starts running for president.
And when he's assassinated, he's the first presidential candidate
in American history to ever be assassinated.
There hasn't been any presidential candidate yet who's
assassinated before Joseph Smith.
And he's running for president of the United States with good
money, probably going to maybe because of Electoral College
potential to even maybe even win, right?
Things are changing because the anti Mason party are there, the
Whig Party are there, the Jacksonian Masonic Democrats are
there, but the anti Masons join with the Whig Party and create
the Republican Party. And let's just say James Polk
wins in 1844 because Joseph Smith dies in 44.
So he can't run for president, but he's running on a campaign
of abolition. He wants to abolish slavery.
So you've got this guy in all the pictures of him, he's, he's
got a top hat, remember, because he's using a top hat to read
with these stones. That's.
The. Key Yeah, yeah.
And he's got this top hat and he's running on abolition and he
gets killed. He gets assassinated.
Now 151415 years later, the guy who was in Illinois who let them
move to Illinois to commerce runs for president with the top
hat on a campaign of evolution and his name is Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln. Out right now.
Abraham. Lincoln, just wait till you
start looking into the Society of Cincinnati.
Shout out JJ Vance. Yeah, like it's going to screw
you all up. You'll know it's all the
Mormons. I always have to mention to the
as the first American president as the the guy that basically
founded the newest Christian denomination that has been
successful at least out of all the different ones that have
that have jumped up. But he also was killed in
Carthage and Carthage was final. He was supposed to be the final
resting place of all non Christian religions and gods and
and thinkings. And just the fact that Joseph
Smith is married to the lady that was married to William
Morgan, who exposed the Masonic secrets.
And then Joseph Smith gets accused of exposing Masonic
secrets and having ties to secret mystery schools and sort
of like Old World thinking. And then he gets sacrificed in
Carthage in order for the rest of the American presidents to,
you know, maybe run until Abraham Lincoln.
Yeah. And who was sacrificed in Roman
Carthage? Hannibal, right?
In the ancient Egyptian Carthage.
And Hannibal means son of bowl, which means son of God, right?
So the Son of God, it's a little sync for you there.
Why you say bow bow bowl like ball?
Or what are you saying? Yeah, Hannibal.
Hannibal was the general body. Of Hannibal is from now.
It's Bal. Yeah, the same.
Etymological root of of. Yeah, that's what that's why his
name, Annabelle's name meant Son of God, Son of Bal, that was.
I'm just I'm just considering the Masonic Trinity of Java LON
and how that might connect somehow, but.
And there's, there's definitely, if you start reading like the
names of some of the people, because that's when they start
using biblical names and naming everyone but Joseph Smith in
Carthage. There was another point to that.
Basically the sacrifice of Joseph Smith was, or the
murdered assassination of Joseph Smith is pretty soon after he
more or less officially becomes part of the Freemasons because
he wasn't. Technically his brother was, but
he wasn't a Freemason for years while he was doing this.
He rose to a master Mason in one day, and not only that, he was
fingered for this murder of. Him in jail.
Right. I mean, he was there with his
brother. We know how Mormons are.
It's all incest. But no, I don't know what they
did say is good. Joe from Vermont was implicated
in the disappearance of William Morgan.
So just saying. Does it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
isn't this something that Trump always likes to bring up and
that people are like with us, so left field?
Hannibal Lecter, when he talks about Hannibal Lecter, the, the,
the, you know, Silence of the Lambs, Silence of the Lambs,
just to be clear, like whenever I hear this, it kind of reminds
me of the YMCA thing where the, the, the argument is, is that
the reason why they keep playing YMCA is because Guantanamo Bay
was originally a YMCA. And so it's like some kind of
subliminal statement because the Hannibal Lecter thing, I'm like,
dude, like if you know Silence of the Lambs, like they're in
Memphis, right? Tennessee, but like the Memphis
Egypt, the amount of symbolism in silence of the lands that has
to do with ancient Egypt is like out of control, like the whole
thing and like of the the the thing they find the back of the
throat, the little bug that's on the movie poster, whatever.
That's not the name that they give.
It isn't the real name of the bug, but it's it's referencing
when you when the pharaoh would die, they would stick this thing
in the back of his throat and there's a tool or whatever that
they used to open his open his mouth to get the to retrieve.
The thing is like the the obelisk when they go the shot of
with the sun and the obelisk when they go to Washington in
sun slams. And the idea of the I think it's
set in zeitgeist. It may have been one of the
things that may or not be true, but it doesn't matter when
you're dealing with people using symbolism where they would say
that who is it? Not Osiris, but is it Horus?
Is it Osiris the the land, the like shepherd symbolism that
there was associated with Jesus was also a like hooker by crook
is like associated with Horus or whatever.
I forget how this works, but yeah, anyway, no, I don't know.
I'm kind of on a tangent here, but there's something
corresponding of like whenever he says Hannibal Lecter and I'm
just like, is he like it's like it's, I mean, we were talking
about somebody. Were they foolish or were they a
genius? You know, like, I don't even
know. Like there's a association of
the of the fool and kind of like the deity at the same time.
So I don't know. It's possible that his brother
broke his oath and was secretly telling Joseph, and his father
might have broken his oath and secretly was telling Joseph
things, gearing him up, preparing and knowing things
without keeping a promise of keeping it secret.
And he says, but it's not until after his master Masonry raising
that he introduces the anointing ritual and starts saying, Hey,
this is what we're going to do. And all of a sudden a bunch of
Masons are like, hey, we see, we we've seen that one before.
He's like, you're not allowed to say that.
Ha ha ha, if you be quiet. You're gonna say it.
It would be say it, but you're chosen it.
He probably already knew anyways because look at all the family
members that were selectmen from Topsfield.
Like they are high up selectmen. So I'm sure that they passed it
down because even Lucy Mac Smith is in her letters joking about
talking to Abraxas and Sue saying and blah blah.
So because it. Wasn't as big of a deal when
everyone was a Freemason. And that's kind of The funny
thing Joseph Smith said. We're going to build a community
like because today Mormons have a thing where you're not allowed
to tell people that aren't Mormon these secrets.
But if you lived in Joseph's world, is Diane.
The Order of Enoch. Everyone was Enoch.
If everyone knew all of the secrets, then you wouldn't have
to keep the secrets from each other because you'd all know the
secrets. And that's kind of what America
was like. I mean, not everywhere, but in
these communities. Before the anti Mason hysteria,
if everyone was a Mason then the whole town knew what was going
on. We.
Religion, it's really misleading.
Literally it was like, because what is the stated intentions of
the roots of Freemasonry is to illuminate humanity.
So like there's this argument when it comes to like that
because it, there's like a secret that's like an open
secret that is in the nature of reality or whatever.
Like that's the esoteric, but like revelation is to reveal,
you know what I mean? Like, and so you can see that
that there's kind of a disjoint between people who like their
secret clubs and like their secrets and people that are just
like the real, you know, path is to is to just share and, you
know, expose all the stuff that's hidden so.
A lot of these lodges were actually pretty small at the
time. You'd have hundreds of lodges
and a lot of lodges have like 300 people.
But by the time Joseph Smith dies, his brother being a big
part of the Navu Lodge and there's a, there's several
important the Springfield back to the Homer's Club in The
Simpsons thing. There's the Springfield Lodge
and there's the Navu Lodge have like like 1500 members, some
crazy for a lot of. That time.
They were huge and there's a bunch of secrets that lodges
hold. They have regalia, but there's a
lot of question. Did Joseph have access to the
secrets of the regalia of the lodge and did they steal it?
And is this a big thing that they bring it out so they can
put it in the temple? And if they.
Make their own system right? Then they can expose things.
If they were as Freemasons to like try and expose them, they
could lose their life in the process.
But if they start their. Own efforts.
And was wrong, yeah. I'm tripping out on the thing
with the forgery because like when you replicate something
like this is an argument that Brian Eno of all people used to
make where he said if you wanted to recreate a Jackson Pollock,
how much more difficult is that than to produce the Jackson
Pollock? Like the amount of skill that
goes into replicating something and then changing it a little
bit how you want, you know, like that is a that is a incredible
ability. So but if you look at Mormonism,
I've heard this argument that it's like this is like, oh, just
an extension of Freemasonry. Is it or is it that they're
replicating with slight variations the system of
Freemasonry and and putting themselves into a position where
they can share things to people who otherwise wouldn't have
access to it. You guys are pointing out
including what would would have been minorities in in America
and like in those this whole like isn't that kind of?
The. Real American way, though, you
know. His whole thing was that all
these other churches were fractions of the real Church,
right? And so he had to take a little
bit from the Catholics and the Orthodox, the process and build
the Church so. It's kind of the.
The same the same thing with Freemasons.
He's like the Freemasons have some of it, but there's more to
it. And I'm going to tell you the
rest of. It there's been multiple
prophets that say we are the only church on the face of the
earth that have true masonry first of all and second of all,
he got his revelation from knowledge on the fall equinox
dressed in all black talking to an Angel, just summoning things
with parchments just like Martinez do.
I'm telling you there is something to this.
The Martinez only do that in the spring and the fall.
But here's the difference between a regular Mason and a
Martinist. Is there a practicing order,
which I don't know, you probably already know this, but the
practicing order part has has been wiped off for the most
part, unless you're in these little groups, right?
He tried to integrate that again, just like John D would
say, hey, we can have science and we can have Mystic and we
can put it together. That's very much a Joseph thing.
Right. I got to point out too, that the
the real secrets of masonry, I think it's more about here's how
you can formulaically make an impression on somebody to
actually drive something into their their memories.
And here's some specific ways in which we can foster memories of,
of the, the members like you. You can't join unless you can
prove that you can do all sorts of like memory acrobatics
essentially. And that these two things,
that's where Joseph Smith was probably like, hey, nice little
formula you got there. I bet you I could spice it up a
little bit and it would have the same impact.
And I think that he was right because and even more so because
Mormons are kind of completely kept in the dark.
At least if you join the Masons, you kind of have a feeling that
at some point something mystical or woo woo is going to happen to
you, right? Like whatever that as a Mormon,
you're growing up and it's like all you ever eat is like UN like
unflavored, unseasoned yogurt non-stop.
And then one day you get a chocolate pudding and then.
And. It goes right back to and for
the rest of your life, you're going to like, man, I remember
exactly where I was at that day that I got the chocolate
pudding. And I and I feel.
That was part of the formula. I feel like that's because other
people, whether it be magical orders or Masons or whatever,
will use drugs a lot of times to enhance certain things, whereas
Mormons use fracturing the psyche to do it.
And I'm telling you, that's what they do.
They do it by freaking you the F out.
And I know 'cause I was there and that's what happened to me.
And I and I feel angry that I was lied to because I would
never promise things. And like when I promise
something or I say something, it's not that I don't keep the
secret's good. It's the fact that they lied to
me and made me take something on that isn't the truth.
They told me this was about going to heaven.
If they had told me just a little bit, right?
Like you said, you don't know everything, but just a little
bit beforehand, I don't. I know I would not have done
that because I I wouldn't have been perfect.
How are you supposed to be traumatized if you know what's
coming? Right.
Yeah, they bring back the drugs. That's ridiculous.
The trauma's valuable, probably to some extent.
I mean, this is a funny thing about paranoid American, just
about Freemasonry. Like you basically compared it
to John Grinder and Bandler's Structure of Magic and NLP,
right? Yeah.
So San you know, and Masonry comes from Santa Cruz and or.
Utah But then you can opt in and you can opt out.
You just said it. That's the core distinction.
Otherwise, it's a cult. That's a difference between a
cult and just a a religious organization.
Can you opt in and opt out? I don't know if you, I think
they were worried. You can opt in and opt out of
People's Temple technically and then of Heaven's Gate
technically. Not a mark.
That's not like Heaven's Gate though, you know.
But they don't do they do like I'm, I'm now I'm, I'm, I'm
listening to this. I'm thinking about what are the
distinctions between Mormonism and Scientology?
Because with Scientology, if you go against it, you're a
dissenter. This is going to ruin your
freaking life. And people show up in Hollywood
and various, you know, places where they think if they don't
join this, they're gonna, they're no, they're not gonna go
anywhere. I think they were here and so.
Live in Utah, same thing. Well, that's why I was about to.
Say this Brigham this Brigham this.
Element is is this is the same in that way.
So I I don't know how, how they how they treat, I mean.
Joseph Smith, didn't I? Lost my whole family.
I lost my whole family. Really.
Just like that. Joseph Smith didn't say that you
were gonna have to like, go to hell ever, right?
Unless you became a son to perdition, Brigham Young really
pushed this idea that you're going to become a son of the
perdition if you don't keep with the faith that the way the
church is controlled. And by moving to Utah, he's able
to completely control your family.
If you break your promise, yeah, you go to outer darkness.
If, like me, I am, I am viewed as going to outer darkness with
murderers, period. Period.
Because I broke my oath that I didn't even know about.
Not even my grandma, not even my family would tell me what was
going to happen. Something called actually a
breach, I think, you know, in contract law.
So you're probably OK, You're coming with me to extra.
Don't worry, we're going straight to Cola.
I'll talk to these people for you.
We'll talk to them, OK. You were asking like, what's the
difference between Scientology and Mormonism?
And like, because I kind of see them in progressive steps.
In my mind, the answer is 150 years because Mormonism was one
of the first religions that acknowledged, say, he like
different animals or creatures living on the moon.
Like it was a very Ford thing. We're talking about planets, not
in a classical sense, although I'm sure Joseph Smith had that
in mind. But they were actually like.
Sense. Like, yeah.
And then, well. Quakers are like horizontal
government they don't have so they're all He liked them.
Or they're CIA covers like. Into, but that's exactly the.
Point. Mormonism was the first sci-fi
esque religion and then I think Scientology kind of just double
S down on that. Throws a little Crowley in.
Throws a little Jack Parsons in. By Joseph Smith as well like.
Somebody, I think somebody thinks I'm kidding.
Like they asked, what do you mean?
I lost my whole family. I mean every piece of extended
family I have no longer speaks to me except my immediate
children, husband and my mother. That's what I mean.
Yeah, and they're worried that they'll get tainted by, you
know, like the. So a friend of mine who was
raised with Scientology, we've had a lot of discussions around
the particulars. My one thing that he
communicated to me was that he felt that a lot of the practices
that he was raised with and that he witnessed had tremendous
value. The only place where he really
sees them as problematic is the attribution to Elrond Flubberd
that it's all about whatever the fuck with this society he's like
because the thing in itself. And he actually, he would argue
that a lot of these things, things that the practices he
would see in religious organizations in general, even
just like in a Christian Church, like you have this ecstatic,
kind of like, you know, transformation that takes place,
but now you're attributing it to this specific thing and you
can't own it. It can't just be yours.
Like, oh, I you know, so he would argue that.
But then at one point I told him that my take away, it's kind of
AI don't know this in any absolute terms, but kind of my
take away is that. It seems like one of the primary
functions of Scientology is to as a means of going through
society and kind of wedding out who the people are who are most
susceptible to Speaking of MLP hypnosis so that they can be
used for various psyops and even like what is the nature of a
psyop like is open. To by the way, a cerebral
organoid brought up that John D's birthday yesterday in case
we forgot to bring him. Yeah, happy birthday.
And let's. Talk.
About him? Cerebral organized birthday as
well. So also, but to your point,
David, they have the most recruits out of Utah and
especially at BYU and EU of U43 letter agencies.
And within 30 miles of my home, I have the NSA, the CIA, the
FBI, Air Force Base and the IRS. So there's that.
Can I Also is it crazy that that this is a sink tank episode?
We didn't intentionally plan this to be on John D.
We did it. We absolutely not right Heidi?
Like we were just talking about doing a show.
We. Just talked about that's why you
were doing this. And no, and it just worked out.
Is that not insane, that. That's why I happened to.
Pick his birthday. He's like, this is the only day
I have and I'm like, OK. He's like, dude, let me in.
Yeah. See.
He's like he's. With us right now.
You know, wherever I walk and I look back, what is it like on
the beach? And I look down and I see John
D's footprints. That's when he was carrying you.
Yeah, that's what was. Up.
No, that was Edward Kelly. He does the work.
No, just kidding. It was actually Edward Kelly
carrying John D who was then carrying me.
What about where does Bruno fit in?
Right, right. Yeah, you guys head to Bruno?
I don't know enough about it. My housemate Bill is is.
Saint Bruno. Yeah, do you know about the
occultist Bruno? Giordano Bruno.
Is that? Yeah, I think so.
That sounds right. Yeah.
I'm not. This isn't, You know, I'm not
Privy to a lot of this stuff. I'm learning more on this
episode than I almost ever do. So I appreciate that, guys.
But yeah. What's up?
Astronomer, right? Yeah, connects to John D in a
variety of ways, apparently. He had some thoughts about the
shape of the earth and the placement of the sun versus the
earth. He's he died a day before I was
born. Burned at the stake.
Give or take some years, yeah. Yeah, I forget who it was.
I thought it was Elvis Levy, but I think I got corrected that one
of these guys, it may have been Bruno.
When they were burned at the stake, they basically like last
words. You know, we're like, well,
shit. If I knew it was going to end
like this, I wouldn't have been so veiled in my speech.
I wouldn't have tried to, you know, like encrypt everything.
I would have just said it because yeah, here it.
Is, I mean, he denied the Trinity.
He was on par with the you know, the Mormons deny the Trinity as
well. I mean not deny it, but like.
Well, don't don't mention, don't forget to mention
transubstantiation, which means that if you do not eat the flesh
and or you know, eat the flesh and drink the blood during
Catholic mass, then you also deserve to be burns of the
steak. And it's, I mean literally that
this was what ends up creating him as a heretic was his denial
to take transubstantiation and to admit to the Trinity.
So I mean, there was. Jesus, that's something else.
There were hardcore 3 centuries ago.
Right. It wasn't just talking to frogs,
Mormons. Were hardcore what, 2 centuries
ago? Well, and not only that, I effed
around and found out, and I sent this to paranoid American.
But apparently if you're related to any English court, which I
definitely AM, I went on stupidfamilysearch.org camping
like a dumb dumb. And he, John D, is my 16th grade
uncle, so that's fun. That's not bad.
Paranoid said he wouldn't get on.
I I went to go and look and the amount of information they
wanted and I was like wait a minute, what are they doing with
this? And I already know.
I got tracked all the way back to Jesus.
I got tracked right back. To Jesus.
We just called him Josh and my family.
Yeah, that's what's up. Uncle, Uncle.
Josh but. Jesus.
Or just you got some, you know, maybe.
Mexico. Oh, the Jesus, Jesus Christ,
straight up. Yeah, through the Sinclair's and
everything through the Spanish side of my family.
But. I'm bourbon and Medici.
I'm all kinds of. I'm a little but.
It's a little weird. Hiram Page is important to this
because you brought up the Sears stone.
And so this idea that there were other Sears stones.
So Hiram Page is the one of the 8 witnesses of the, of the
process right where Joseph Smith is unveiling.
And he's like, everyone sit behind this giant tent because
you don't want to get blinded by the light here.
And I'm going to explain to you what this Enochian like reformed
Egyptian is really saying. And Hiram Page has later on has
says, well, I have my own Sears stone, so let me use it to see
what things actually say, you know, from my perspective,
because he's also practicing magic.
And then Joseph has this, you know, revelation that there's
that other Sears stones are bad and then it's evil and it needs
to be taken to the river and smashed into powder and
destroyed, right? Like so you can't use any Sears
stone except for the berm and thummim that he had, right.
And so that's the other thing, the Sears stones, he connects to
the chest plate of the priesthood of the first Temple.
And so he's also says he's a direct descendant of Joseph, who
is of the second wife of Israel, of his first love, Rebecca,
instead of Leia, right? And so he says, OK, Joseph who
went into Egypt and this is his connection even beyond Moses is
like directly to Joseph. And he has this special Sears
done. But that Hiram was evil, right?
Right. Well, this also then has to do
with the interpretation of dreams, right?
I mean, dream interpretation was Joseph's superpower, right?
So is that's I can see his, his resonance or him kind of
attributing what he's doing. To this Urim and Thummim blew my
mind because when they took this away and they said OK, they kind
of phased it out and then popped the hat out of South Park.
I went, this is a lie because I I've been raised my whole life
like that's a lie. Don't believe it, don't believe
it. And then the prophet does a
photo op with it and I went, are you serious right now?
Like they said, it was this my whole life, you know, and, and
now it isn't so. Weird, yeah.
The angels, Have you seen the picture?
Hold on me. Pull it.
Yeah, the Angels took the Urim and Thummim back because they
needed them just to buy it. I saw the Matt Stone and Trey
Parker's production of of the Book of Mormon and when I went
out in the middle of it for a cigarette break, I'm talking to
this guy and who who tells me that he didn't know what he was
in for. And I was like, I was like, how
you like it was he like, he's like, well, I'm from the play.
I I believe it was Africa. He was from not just the region,
but he's like, I'm from there. Like he was like, no one told me
that that was what I was going. I was like, are you offended?
And he was like, well, I would be, but they didn't say anything
that wasn't true or they haven't said anything that's not true.
So he's like, I can't be offended at that, you know?
General butt naked is real, right?
Yeah. And apparently Trey Parker went
to Africa, to Uganda to do research for the not, not that
he was trying to make it like, right, completely authentic
anyway. But it's it is weirdly
authentic. Oh wait, who?
Who is the guy you were talking to?
A Mormon or just from the area? No, he's not a Mormon.
He just happened to be from there.
Like he went to this show and we're standing there smoking and
he's like, dude, I'm tripping out right now because that's
like where I'm from. Like literally exactly.
And I was like, is that it? And so, and then the friend who
I went with, she had gone to see it prior and she saw a bunch of
like a row of Mormons who went to go see it who were there near
her and same deal. She asked them, well, were you
offended? And they go, well, we would be,
but they didn't say anything that wasn't true.
I I assume that one wasn't on a smoke break though that one was.
Like, that was just there at the seats.
But yeah, yeah. But yeah, so same.
But but they said the same thing in both cases.
You have the place and then you have a row of Mormons.
At least in their interpretation and their experience, they're
like, they're not, you know, this is.
It was super offensive when it came out the church was forbid
us to watch it. They had a big fit about it like
and said that none of this is true.
Come to find out, all of it is true.
So I mean, that was a lot too. I didn't really find like the
musical to be that offensive either.
That's the other thing like them that generally it does.
It's like it's about a kid who doesn't know the Book of Mormon
very well. And so he goes, and he tries to
adapt their culture. But the but the subtext that's
not so subtle is that is that Lord of the Rings and Star Wars
put together, and this is his own thing that he's made-up is
the equivalent of Mormonism. They just made it up.
So it's like they're like, Oh, well, so Trey Parker mass stone
there that if you were to find a fence in it as a as a Mormon, I
would imagine it's the down plane of its origin saying,
well, some guys just made made. I don't think he made it up.
I think he channeled angels just like.
I'm not. I'm not.
I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing.
Yeah, no, I do. But what would be the argument
for somebody being offended by that production?
Would be the implication at the end that they can start their
own religion? Because what's the difference
anyway? Right, right.
No, I caught it. I was making a joke.
But I mean the joke, the joke actually gets kind of weird
because when you're saying Lord of the Rings and and Star Wars,
these are these are things that one could make the argument that
they're kind of channelled themselves.
They are who was a Catholic and George.
Studied the Cotton Codex. Yeah, so, so well studied and
the the what is the book The power of myth from Joseph
Campbell and all this kind of stuff.
So you could say, Oh well, it's taking from these other places
so that so the. The Lord of the Rings is.
Professional now available Mormon would just say, oh,
that's the way it's treated. Like it's just an episode of
South Park. We're just making it up and we
walk away and it's just. We only have the big.
You're like, wait a second here, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings.
There's something to this, you know.
Lord of the Rings is like we wouldn't have Beowulf in
presentable form if it weren't for the the JRR Tolkin was
studying the Cotton Codex and the Swedish library copy, which
was destroyed in the like Swedish British war, right?
And so all of that stuff would have been lost anyway.
And so whether he's channeling it or also was really deeply
researching Anglo Frisian, Saxon Indo Aryan mythology to put that
together. And the same thing with Star
Wars. Star Wars has this weird
kabbalistic pre first temple look at Judaism for sure.
Like the Jedi Udai, the Jedi Yoda, you know all of these
things are very Hebrew. The like the 12 parsecs and the
the Kabbalah unless the 12 parsecs the Kessel.
He's equivalent of Theosophy because he's.
Taking Solomon. Places at once to build this
thing, just like Jr. Token is as an anthropologist.
But like Yoda. Yoda in Hebrew is one who knows.
It's the same root as the tree of knowledge.
Da, you're like, yo da, he's one who knows.
And then Yoda in Sanskrit. We've talked about this before,
but it's so freaking weird I got to say it.
Sanskrit. Is a great warrior Yoda?
It's almost pronounced the same way.
So like Yoda, great warrior Yoda, one who knows.
What does Luke say to Yoda when he first meets him?
He says I'm looking for a great warrior.
So he's looking for Yoda in Sanskrit.
And what is Yoda responding with?
Wars do not make one great, making him in Hebrew.
One who knows. So he is both a great warrior
and one who knows because he knows that wars do not make one
great. And he is a great warrior, so
snap. Solid.
Absolutely. But have you guys seen the the
the Book of of Mormon in person? Or the I saw it.
You can find it online now from people who have just filmed it,
you know, I mean, it's not high quality, but at least you can
watch it. I mean, that's the problem with
Broadway productions is that you don't get to see them recorded
until 2020. They started recording them, you
know. And by the way, there is a a
movie called Yoda from 1992 about a saviour who rescues a
monastery from sorcerer's practicing black mute magic.
There you go. Perfect.
That's pretty good. But did you want to?
Do you want to talk about demon or did you already?
Get into demon. Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, definitely. Because so many people always
say really, they, they don't know that Whenever I have,
people ask me like, what does this have to do with John D
Rockefeller? And I'm like, no, no.
I mean, in terms of just like having things sink directly in
your memory, The one that I always remember of John D was
that he was the cook in the the little like try sandwich between
John D, Edward Kelly and John D's wife, Jane D, where Edward
Kelly would come over. Edward Kelly would talk to an
Angel called Uriel and then Uriel would tell Edward Kelly,
you got to sleep with John D's wife right now.
Otherwise, otherwise this transmission stops.
And just I guess the the he must have had a way with words in
order to describe, hey, John, this isn't me speaking.
This is the Angel telling me what to say.
So don't be offended. And then this ends up happening.
This becomes. Jane was way younger than John.
John John was about 70, Jane was in her 30s, and Edward Kelly was
in his 30s. So the 70 year old is like, hey,
30 year old come hang out with me and my wife and I'm going to
just sit back and let you do a lot of the stuff.
I'm just going to describe some things.
I'm going to sit back and watch while you do the it's.
Kind, I mean, it's kind of like he was, I'm going.
To why you make the baby. Why you make the baby?
Because that's what happened. You know that, right?
Elise? Baby.
No. You didn't know there was a baby
from that. Edward Kelly.
Oh, Edward Kelly's baby. Yeah, you make the baby Edward.
I'm too old. Yeah, there was a baby from that
whole fun time. I'm trying to figure out John D
is so John D is said to be a model of and so in Marlowe's
Faust, he's like referencing John Dee is the is the argument.
But I thought that they actually had a relationship.
I'm trying to remember who Marlow actually connected with
that was connected to John Dee. I mean, this is so like these
are all like, you know, rich influential occultists, right?
They all kind of know each other and of each other at least.
But do you guys, are you, are you hip that I mean?
I did recently go to Leipzig. So I was just in the town where
Faust the the, the other thing is Ed didn't think about this,
but Kelly and Keller, right, Because Keller is basement.
So there's a basement there in Leipzig where Faust met with the
devil, right? And that's supposed to be the
town. And it allegedly that actually
occurred to some degree for Wolfgang Bongo to in Leipzig,
right. And Leipzig's also where the war
really ended. So at the end of the war, we
think of like different places in World War 2, like the final
bombings and everything like that.
But there's this Napoleon tomb for the fallen soldiers from the
late 18th century, and that was the final holdout for the Reich.
And that's where they finally, like, you know, defeated
Germany. They had to find somebody who
would sign a surrender document, essentially.
But the final battle happened on Hitler's birthday.
They're essentially the same place as the Faustian bargain
took place just above. OK, so, so here's the thing.
It's feels very relatable to me, like Oppenheimer and Jack
Parsons. Like, how did these people never
meet? They're so close to each other
in proximity and in the area of what they're doing.
You have a rocket science artists and the other you know,
it's just like seems so obvious, but the same thing can be said
for Marlo and John D same time period, same social circle, but
no documentation that proves that they ever met in person.
So but it's just it's kind of weird.
You're like, they're in the same social circle, they're in the
same area, they're in the same age, like, but when it comes to
occultism and people meeting each other, why would you, why
would that be recorded? Why would we know that like
that? Why?
Why would that? You know what I mean?
Like they wouldn't have to announce that necessarily, you
know, but I've, I've wondered about the coordination there.
Well, I'm not sure about Marlowe for sure, but I know that, you
know, he based his he based his devil Faustus on go to this
Faust story, which is supposed to be somewhat true, right?
And Kelly did go through Germany, and so it's probable
that he spent time at some point go to.
Go to Faust story changes the ending from Marlo who initially
wrote it right? So the original.
Was Marlo first? Yeah, and so and so, and it's
actually kind of like try to make it more rosy, like it
doesn't have this eternal damnation at the end.
In the same way he actually gets redeemed.
And it's actually a more positive version, oddly enough.
But yeah, but The thing is, is that it includes the original
Marlowe version, includes specific magical stuff,
including the squares, the magical squares and all these
things that John D would have been so hip to.
It almost seems like he was his source.
Like are one of his sources for being as accurate as he could
be, but there's no proof that they know so.
Marlow based his version though, so go go to base his version on
Marlow's. Maybe, but Marlow based his
version on the anonymous story of Faust, which is written by a
German anonymous author. That's comes even earlier.
OK, well and and kindy, kindy comes to play.
Oh kindy comes to play for D you know so as well.
Inspired. By Al Kindy.
So Historia von D Johann Fausten, the chat book, the
first Faust book, a chat book of stories concerning the life of
Johann Yorga Faust, written by an anonymous German author,
published by Johann spies in 1540 in Frankfurt in 1587 and
became the main source for the play The Tragic history of
Doctor Faustus by Marlowe and go to his closet play Faust.
So it's a it allegedly is written by an anonymous author.
That came first, right? Far out, yeah.
Is that anonymous author John Dean?
Question for me, right? Who knows?
But Kelly spent time in Germany, right?
And he got his ears clipped. That's the story.
Oh, OK, yeah, huh. Weird SO.
And the the ear clipping is the way that they would to know a
charlatan usually. And just to throw the Trump
reference out there. Right.
I didn't even do that one yet. Thank you.
I like that A. Lot right.
Well, we're on that tip because of the comic book coming up with
the golden bow and Kubrick stuff because the idea of playing in
like looking at the archetypal fool and the the Green Man as
like the symbolism around it. Crowley makes the assertion that
in modern times that that would be represented as the quote UN
quote gangster boss. So we're drawing a parallel
between like this, you know, this, this figure that gets so
imbued in the culture who's actually supposed to be the, you
know, the one overthrowing it. But everything is so.
It's the one ritualistically killing the king and then
marrying the King's daughter. And like doing this whole
playing out this whole turning everything on its head and kind
of like making the last first, so to speak.
But because of what we, the way that things have been set up,
which is like kind of like all in these reversals where instead
of killing the king and having the humility to allow every,
the, the trimming back of the, of the royal tree, so to speak,
because they insist on being so greedy.
And whatever that we have to the, the culture itself has to
experience the repercussions of that reversal where instead of
killing the king, they're celebrating the killing of the
challenger of the king. And then being like, we got
another year in power, Midsummer sets us free.
And then we have to keep going through this ridiculous cycle.
It's. Serial.
Out of those people, it seems Edward Kelly could also classify
as a gangster king because he was rolling with like, you know,
some like royal connections, but he was also the bad boy.
Like he would show what you couldn't hide it.
He was he was also known as the the cropped philosopher, I think
because of the the ear. So it was.
It was hard to mistake him when he came into town.
So Urals associated with confirmation and sacrament.
So also transubstantiation is associated with Uriel.
And Uriel's also in the secret book of John, like the Gnostic
book of John the master of demons, who helps Gilda Boa
create Adam, which Adam is God according to Brigham Young,
right? So that had to happen.
Trump had to get shot in the ear in the exact same way of the
clip clipping of the ear symbolism.
That's kind of crazy. Is that the idea that like we
all, they almost ritualistically killed killed the king, but now
he's just got the clipped ear denoting him for what you know
that way. That's crazy.
I. Can see it.
It's also interesting to me, I mean the idea that y'all both
created Adam because that's like a big thing that some of the
like a Kingston clan and some of the other fringe groups of
Mormon like Augen Kraut, right? Talk about is why Jesus refers
to himself as the son of man, right, The son of man being the
son of Adam. So when he's the son of God,
he's the son of Adam who's supposedly God, right?
That's a. Right, but keep in mind that the
the the the Greek from the Gospel where he says because
he's not speak, Jesus isn't speaking in court, right.
So he's being silent. He's being silent and then
suddenly he says the Son of man will come in the clouds and it's
describing the way the Jerusalem will fall.
We're supposed to believe that this text is like 40 years, give
or take from before Jerusalem got sacked by Rome by, you know,
Titus Caesar doing his father's bidding, Vespasian Caesar.
But if you look at the text of of the of Josephus Flavius,
who's the only other surviving text from Judea at that time
besides the text of a Roman botanist, You know the way that
that Titus Caesar arriving in Jerusalem is described in his
account of it is the exact same wording in Greek that Jesus uses
in the Gospel to describe the Son of man.
We're supposed to assume as well, though Christians are
supposed to assume that when he's describing the Son of Man
that he's referring to himself in the third person.
But apparently if you look at the Greek, it doesn't indicate
that he's talking about somebody that's going to come after him.
He says, you know, there's one who baptized by water referring
to John the Baptist and the one who will baptize by fire.
You know, like there's this, there's this argument that, you
know, you, you could make the argument that that the gospel
was actually written after Jerusalem was sacked, because
how are you going to prove that? And then you can how easy is it
to make a prophecy of what's going to happen and when it's
already happened. But the fact that the same exact
terminology is used, not just the son of man, but even beyond
that, like the come in the clouds thing.
And all of this in the Greek is verbatim to the description of
Titus Caesar, who is the son of God as Vespasian Caesar is being
treated as God because everywhere the Romans would like
conquer, they would make everyone worship Caesar as their
God. And these people were super
stubborn. The only descriptor that we have
or whatever the Sicari were like the Jewish rebels who were
there. We really don't, we don't really
know what they were like other than that they were equated with
goats because they were so stubborn.
They would not do that. We had 100 year war or
occupation where they just wouldn't submit to Rome the way
that all these other places would.
And so there's the argument that the New Testament was actually
used in in part as a not just a New Testament, but the gospel
specifically was written as a means to get these people to
submit to Rome as their, as their, you know, like to, to
basically take a knee to Rome. And that Josephus, who was a,
you know, top Jewish scholar, was, was adopted into the
Flavian court with this task of like recreating what was what we
saw in the Old Testament to give them their new religion.
You know, which would also explain why you'd have that has
these redeeming aspects to it because it's written by somebody
who actually does have some degree of intention in the midst
of being forced in this position where he has to do Rome's
bidding, right? So that's a whole giant got a
whole topic. But I think it's applicable
here. Whenever somebody brings up the
Son of Man, I'm immediately either going there or thinking
of the painting and Manson's thing, because that's where The
Beatles got the blue, the green apple symbolism for their record
label. And then Charles Manson's like,
I'm the son of man, man son and whatever.
Anyway, sorry. I got another Joseph Smith
connection here too with Edward Kelly because Edward Kelly was a
young guy that was making an impression on the older crowd
being John Dee. And one of the qualifications
that made John Dee even seek him out is because Ed Kelly claimed
to have this red powder. That if he mixed it into a
solution, it would basically become a philosopher's stone and
become one aspect of the philosopher's stone and what he
would use in in tandem with this red powder or the solution that
he mixed it with. It says that he and a certain
John Blokely were then led by a spiritual creature at Northwick
Hill, which is the exact same sort of practice that Joseph
Smith would usually get into. Is that, well, I don't know that
that part is unknown if, if, if Edward Kelly was ingesting this
or if he was using it in some other capacity.
Don't know what the red powder was.
The Templars have like a whole thing about the powdered gold.
In the box, man. What is that?
What is the Templar thing with the?
With the. They say that it's like this
special gold that's in a powder form and it doesn't weigh much
because they couldn't carry it around.
They had to get a really heavy box.
And that's kind of the whole Ark of the Covenant stuff.
So I mean, I'm sure paranoid American or Andrea.
Is the whole well the Ormus thing, But also that's why it
was interesting we talked about the regalia that would have been
stolen from the lodges because if Joseph Smith who had all
kinds of cool relics including mummies that they thought were
Joseph in Egypt's mummy, right? Yuya's mummy get like 8 mummies
and several of them were burned and destroyed and one of them at
least ended up in Niagara Falls, right?
The museum was still is one of the mummies from Joe Smith's
collection. But that's where the papyrus
came from, where he says he's got the Book of Abraham and
everything. Like this piece of papyrus that
there's only a small fragment of it left, allegedly because there
was the fire in the Chicago Fire in the 1870s, which destroyed
the library. Or Freemasons stole a bunch of
this stuff. Who knows, right?
Like got a bunch of the stuff out of the Chicago library, you
see. National Treasure.
You get it. And this is, you know, national
treasure. Just like Notre Dame started on
fire. Get the shit out.
A lot of women's work on national treasure and there's a
reason why the glasses that they use, the Benjamin Franklin
glasses are essentially the, the way Mormons thought that Joseph
Smith had his glasses to read the Urim and Thummim, right.
Like there's special stones for looking through to read Enochian
magic. But the, the the Holy Grail
might have been in Illinois in one of the lodges because it's
so central to the United States is one of the safest places.
The lodges are brought to the middle there.
And that maybe Joseph Smith had the Holy Grail and that this was
the reason they wanted to kill him and destroy the church and
take the thing last last little bit there.
Yeah. Well, or Dale and Oaks, because
Dale and Oaks was supposed to be after John D Rockefeller
resigned from Nixon's presidency and Gerald Ford became
president. He was considered to be the
Supreme Court head and figurehead and Ronald Reagan
even almost made him the Supreme Court figurehead, except they
chose Sandra Day O'Connor instead.
But he was almost going to be in charge of the Supreme Court or
one of the the main appointees to the Supreme Court before.
Now he's going to be the Prophet.
But Joseph Smith, the oh, when the Freemasons were super upset
and Brigham Young takes the church and goes to Utah,
Freemasons banned lodges in Utah until after the death of Brigham
Young. Essentially they said the entire
state cannot have a lodge in it until after he died.
So. And they just barely made it so
that you could join a lodge and still have an active temple
recommend within I think the last five years.
Because they weren't supposed to, technically.
Interesting. I mean, I've definitely known.
I mean, I think they have a thing about secret combinations,
but I've met, I've met quite a few, the several rather open
Freemasons. It was.
It was always allowed. It was always allowed.
It was just kind of one of those things where I think they were
like, keep your damn mouth shut, maybe.
Yeah, I don't. I think that they basically only
after Brigham Young, like Brigham Young had his own idea
of a lodge and his own secret combinations, right?
But Freemasonry was really upset at Brigham Young.
There was definitely some sort of a schism, East and West
schism going on between Utah and the rest of you know.
Well, they have vaults just like the Vatican.
I mean, just so people know, like there are many things and
including Old World Mick Mack, he sent me a reel about the
copper skull scrolls where they say flat out the Mormons have a
piece of these. And that's due to Jason Mack,
Lucy Mack Smith's brother, you know, being with the Mick Macks.
And he sent me this information. I can't claim it as my own.
So anyways, yeah, they have multiple things that I think are
very important not only for Freemasonry but other artifacts
and whatnot. So.
Hey, you know what? Something about your your guy
with the salamander story and the forgery stuff and all of
them, I'm getting like a sense of like that.
Like I would argue that Zacharias Sitchin seems like
he's almost like an insider agent in a sense or was because
like he is office at the UN and this whole thing like it's like,
OK, so he he produces a just a a ton of malarkey, right.
He just puts it out there in the midst of a bunch of things that
the Catholic Church probably really doesn't want people to
know and has to do with the stuff from the Sumerian material
that's in their in their library.
Like, like my, my rabbi would argue that this the Epic of
Gilgamesh should imbue the, the validity of the, of the Old
Testament of specifically Bereshit because you have, you
have a, was there a deluge? Like did this thing happen?
And if it did, you'd expect that there would be other accounts of
it doesn't mean it's the whole earth.
No, it means there's a large area.
I mean, they didn't have, you know, the, the satellites, they
didn't, they couldn't look at the whole earth.
They're like, we experienced this cataclysm.
So, but I feel like that that was his role, like, and there's
other examples of that. I like to say kind of anger
probably did the same with Hollywood Babylon, where they
they know that there's something here that people are going to be
picking up on and it's likely going to be exposed.
So here we'll hire somebody you know, or.
They're just in the. Service of for their own
religious reasons too. We're going to make it so that
if anyone brings up anything related to this topic, they can
say, oh, you're referring to crazy Zecharia Sitchin so you
know, whatever. So like that's the real role of
a disinformation agent in that way is just to make make it so
that this is all baby with the bathwater included in this
thing. So, but also you're talking
about the Ark of the covenant. Isn't it said in in the Old
Testament itself that that's the the 10 commandments and
something smooth staff or something inside there?
What is the what is the actual biblical argument for what's
inside the Ark of the covenant? I forget.
There's also obfuscation, just like the Holy Grail is either a
cup or a bloodline, right? Like there's constant, it's
constantly and, and actually there are quotes and I'm sure
Andreas knows this, that they say that the Mormon bloodline is
that bloodline and. So yeah, at least particular
families within the Mormon. Blood like not because.
Yeah, not. I mean, these are pioneers.
That's what the Casing clan though basically says is that
they're the the. Bloodline that they're because
Joseph Smith was from half Manasa tribe and half of Ephraim
tribe. So bringing them together, he
was the perfect child and that's a lot of why.
Further up the totem than Moses, 'cause he comes from Joseph's
line, right? Yeah.
Yep, Yep. That's there's also some stuff
there about like because we talked about Mark Hoffman
earlier, I think we said that the church didn't buy his stuff
directly, but there were some things that they did buy.
It just wasn't the salamander letter.
They they bought the Anton transcript and they also bought
Joseph with the third's blessing, the one from Thomas
Bullock. The idea that the church was
supposed to be, you know, that the the Joseph Smith had
assigned that his son wants his son Joseph Smith the third was
old enough that he should be in charge of the church, which was
a major contention because Joseph Smith's son and wife, his
first wife, Emma, did not go with Brigham to Utah.
They ended up staying behind and that's where eventually the
reorganized church. First you have the Strangites,
right, which is a group that said that are the Strang was
supposed to be the prophet of the church while Joseph Smith
was waiting an interim to grow up, his son waiting an interim
to grow up. But Joseph the third blessings
and the Joseph the third letters are basically rebuked saying
that Thomas Bullock was rebuking Brigham Young for demanding the
burning of all of these letters and all of these blessings that
were clearly saying that just the third was supposed to be
come the prophet and not him. And saying, but what's
interesting is he didn't actually make it look like he
was super upset about it. He basically said like, I'm not
going to destroy my copy of this.
Like I'll accept you, Brigham Young as the successor because
you did look like favorably like the light shine through you and
we all saw you to look like Joseph Smith.
So we're all going to believe that that God basically put
Joseph Smith in you for gay. Instead of Rigdon, yeah.
Instead of no. So that's The funny thing.
Joseph didn't have 30 kids. He did have like a few kids that
died, right? A lot.
But but yeah, and so there's a whole thing there.
A lot of people want to say it was sacrifice.
Born his dad's. First born.
Saturn. I think, I don't, I don't think
that many of them survived. There's basically Joseph with
the third, a couple sons, one went crazy.
He had a daughter. He also had two adopted kids,
right? So here's here's who actually
spent money on Mark Hoffman on the record $185,000, but it was
secured through a loan from somebody that was taking the
money out and was going to buy it to just gift it to the LDS.
Church that's just for the dollar letter though.
The church itself actually spent $20,000 on the Anton letter,
$20,000. They weren't going to buy the
Joseph Smith the third prophecy blessing, but then he went to
the Reorganized church because Joseph the third third did start
the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
So there's the Mormon church and there's the whole thing that I
was think about, which is like Joseph Fielding Smith was on a
train one time for three days with Joseph Smith the third, his
cousin. And so there was a point in like
19 O 5 after the end of the, you know, there was racism in the
RLDS church. They weren't OK with black
people, even though Joseph Smith, his father was.
And then there was acceptance of polygamy that was not allowed in
the Joseph the Third never believed his father was a
polygamist. Emma Smith denied her entire
life and swore on the Bible and on the Book of Mormon, by the
way, to the death, to the grave, that he never was a polygamist.
So Brigham Young just says, actually he was.
That's great though. That's great though.
So then Fanny Alger is this teenager that he lived like
Joseph lived in the house with for a while.
And they say he had an affair with her.
When you read the document, if you use modern technology, you
can go underneath the word affair and see that they've
erased and removed this other word and replaced it with
affair. But the word that originally was
there was scrape. So he got into scrape with this
young girl, which could mean that it was an affair, but it
could also mean like this girl threw herself at him.
And the family tried to say, we're going to like, make you
look bad if you don't marry your daughter as well.
So the spiritual seal point is that there's not a lot of
evidence that Joe Smith did any kind of polygamy similar.
To many people say it wasn't. Many people say it wasn't.
Well, that was the same as what Brigham did.
Brigham's polygamy was Brigham you.
Know, Brigham was trying to listen.
He had 53 I think, or 55 wives and only like 57 kids.
He's not going forth and procreating correctly.
Look, we're not doing that. Yeah, not doing his job.
I've known many polygamous families.
You know, my, my sister married, born Jeff's nephew.
So it's a whole, yeah, their divorce.
Yeah, yeah, I did a show on that one.
And he, he has a sad story. He he did, he was out of the,
the border before that. But, and it gets weird, but I
will say all of these sex that he's talking about, like they're
all very different. Like it's, it's, it's all over
the place with like, oh, was he polygamous, wasn't he?
Oh, polyamorous blah, blah, blah.
I, we, I mean, they always say, well, he didn't have any other
kids. Well, there's been people that
have been told like we would prefer you not to take adna
test. The church admits it.
So I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean they run the.
Deal. I feel like today you figure it
out pretty quickly though with DNA tests like with.
You think with the way that they they are in bed, not only in
bed, they are. John Dean, 23andMe and
ancestry.com. For sure a sandwich. 23andMe
just went completely bankrupt, right?
So they're freaking and then where's you have to opt out now?
And I don't even know if that'll do with freaking thing.
I don't think it will do anything.
Yeah, I think they're they've got it.
They're going to do what they want.
But also I think they've got that with everything.
If you ever watch like any kind of crime stuff, they, they the
one that really got me as a nurse, I thought it had to be
blood or something or spit. And they got it from some guy's
gym towel, from his sweat. So I think we're all screwed.
There's red or thread too to jewswhouseancestry.com know it's
owned by the Mormons who are posthumously baptizing
survivors. Technically they don't own it,
but they own a familysearch.org which pours into it, which was
set up through Howard Hughes's organization, Hughes Dynamics,
through William Gay, who got the information from the CIA with
their blessings from IBM, and it's all a big Nazi bed bed.
Fest It was kind of just like an extension of the punch card
system in. Modern Tone it is they received
it. They received the punch card
system and completely, you know, computerized it under William
Gay, under Hughes Dynamics. That is real.
I do a whole series on Howard Hughes, but I just find all this
stuff super interesting when they're trying to, you know,
prove different things. Are they trying to not prove
things to yes. Remember the guy that was going
to go prove that the knee fights were from, I think it was
Asiatic descent. And then they were like, cut it
out. We're gonna excommunicate you
and say yeah, they it's a big mess, but.
So, yeah, so that's supposed to be the argument for the Hal 9000
in 2001 that that's each one letter removed from IBM, which
was in code. Like there's even parts where
like David Bowman is the character cured.
Delay's character is like is like saying to Hal, you know,
he's saying his name over again and we're going to Hal.
Do you read me? And then you see it says IBM
flashes on his his helmet, you know, because Howell is on a
murderous rampage, right? And he's the AI.
And it's supposed to be this projection of what Kubrick was
hip to, of what went on with IBM with the punch card system.
The Holocaust wouldn't have been as they weren't, wouldn't been
able to do things as they did them had it not been for IBM
cooperation. They sent representatives from
the New York branch of IBM to Auschwitz as it was in the midst
of it's, you know, it's. Well, the Mormon.
Thing and they said. Sent a lot of money.
Running smoothly. Oh, that's true too.
That's and. That's crazy.
Though, because Jehovah's Witnesses were being killed
there as well, not just, you know, Jews and.
But the LDS weren't. Yep, right.
But the LDS were not, and I've always found that kind of
peculiar. Why?
Well, it's well, to this day, to this day, Bill Gates, Microsoft
is their number one shareholding and Bill Gates is the number one
farm owning, you know, person here in America.
But number 2 is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. And currently, you know, like I
said, they're #1 stockholding is Microsoft and the others are
interesting as well. But then when we see, you know,
them procure these IBM different things, right?
Like we, we see them talking with IBM and having this like a
grand relationship. And guess who's on the board of,
of IBM? Now she technically doesn't work
there, but that's Bill Gates mother.
They always skip on the mom and go straight to the dad 'cause
he's Mr. Eugenicist, but also mommy dearest was on this board.
And so when we look at all this, you know, you have to understand
before 1978, this would not have been against Brigham's church.
Now we're talking about Brigham here.
Brigham's church would have been fully supported of a great White
Brotherhood, we'll say, because definitely.
He was Sonic race and that's the thing that's interesting about
like the descendants of Joseph Smith, right, because if there
were other people that had some sort of lineage air like they've
kind of convinced everyone now that that's.
Not drop rule, right one drop rule.
Well, like, sorry, at this point they're saying, well, we have a
presidency and the presidency is in order of the 12 and but there
it's really just based on your earning it meritocracy.
That's not the way it used to be.
It used to be that your blood meant that you were descended
from Jesus, you know, and that Joseph came has this right to be
the prophet because he's descended from a prophet.
So it would stand to reason that if you were the descendant of
Joseph Smith, that you would have this blood right to be a
prophet, perhaps so that God would use you more likely
because of that prophecy thing. And they really distance
themselves as a church from that idea, especially because Joseph
Smith the third wasn't into their church.
And at this point, the church, the the Reorganized Church of
Jesus Christ latter day says it's turned itself into
something completely different than the LDS church.
They call themselves the Community of Christ.
They don't even Coc Coc Coc's a horrible name for a church, by
the way. Well, I think they took it from,
you know, if you look at that Professor Johnny Smith, he had
the Church of Christ, and that was well before Joseph Smith
ever existed with Dartmouth. So I think they probably got
that from there. That's what I'm assuming.
But yes, I agree. Horrible moniker.
Isn't marriage just like this anyway, like in the like old
world, marriage was just like, first of all, you had royalty
who wanted to like Marie Antoinette of Austria and France
and you're going to bring him together through this
consecration, through the, through the marriage.
And then for them, and it doesn't mean Jack until they
have a child. So then the child is the union
and the results like that whole thing.
But just beyond that, it's just like elite families.
Would you? It'd be business deals.
It'd be all these things. So when people like poor people
getting married out of love, quote UN quote, they're just
like, as far as the elites are concerned, they're like, oh,
isn't that adorable? You know, like they're isn't
that funny? Look at them trying to do what
we're doing over here when they have their own complete reasons
this. Is why people.
Say liaisons you'd have who your your actual mate is that you're
into and then you're like, but I'm here with this because of
you know, we had to bring these families together so that we
could continue whatever goal. So you see that with religious
organizations the exact same way you'd see that with businesses,
the same way you'd see that with Royals.
So sometimes I feel like when we're just getting into the
bloodline thing, it's like, well, yes.
And it goes, it goes beyond that into just like we want to marry
these these different organizations.
Have you seen, have you seen Joseph Smith the Third?
Like Joseph Smith's son? Have you seen their church's
temple, David? Do you know what their temple
looks like? Show.
Show me if you got it. Pull it.
Pull it up. Click on.
The church procured it, right? Didn't the church procure it?
Couple. Years.
No, that's they didn't. They don't have the, they have
the old temple. This is the I've.
Seen this before? Yeah.
Isn't this crazy? This is like.
Literally the not the Fibonacci, but what is that?
Well, they kind of say it's connected to this Fibonacci, but
I see very much like the Tower of Babel.
That's exactly. The spiral, the spiral cake the
spiral cake thing up to the top to the Spire because of the.
Top right, because the effect is supposed to be a one of oh, look
at this thing going going disappearing off into heaven.
So it's not really just it visually, it's not just supposed
to be this, this height that's like, you know, it's literally
going into Infinity. Yeah, totally.
Yeah. That's crazy.
But the so the LDS don't control this temple yet.
This is so controlled by the community of Christ, right?
Which is the Novu controlled by Joseph Smith's son, right?
Another one. The Nauvu Temple they did just
buy. That's true.
That was last year, which is the old temple that's been rebuilt,
right? Because they because Brigham.
Well, can't say Brigham burnt it down, but it burnt down like
Notre Dame. Like.
Well, there's nothing left, so we should just.
Go take it. Yeah, we should go down.
What about the, the European Union building that's isn't
that's made to look like the Tower of Babel?
Because the difference is, is that that one's under
construction, whereas this one almost looks like it's made to
give the sense that it's like completed, you know what I mean?
Like, because it's, it's that Albrecht Durer representation
that they used. Isn't that the, am I saying that
right? The European Union building, do
you know? Pull that up if you can.
It's if you put it side by side with yeah, there you go With the
Albrecht Der. Yeah, the Strasbourg Parliament,
yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So it's like, it's that like it's not completed.
It's like missing the headstone, you know, and more.
But yeah, that's a big distinction.
OK, the EU Parliament. There you go.
Yeah. Right.
It's, but it doesn't have the finishing touches the way that
the Coc does. And there's another thing if you
go to Nauvoo. So the other thing about Nauvoo
is there, they do the Independence MO just South of
there. They wanted to be in
Independence MO because they said that is Adam and Eve.
Oh, this is the wrong page. I think I closed it here.
Hold on, this picture right here was the the temple, the original
Nauvoo Temple. Showing the screen of the
pentagrams on it. Well, first there's the sun.
Look at the interesting face of the sun there.
And this is the fire. It burned down, and this is what
it was left looking like, like the fall of Carthage.
And then they rebuilt it. Reminds me of the ziggurat.
Is that what it's called? The thing in Babylon that was
like the. Here's the downward point of
stars you see talking about. All the stars are downward
pentacles. Right, right.
Oh yeah. So there you go.
Between the the sun pillars, right?
And it's really fascinating on the inside too, because they had
like an upstairs for doing temple rites and worship in all
these weird practices, right? But the way that that's
positioned, like I'd like to see this directly from above because
it looks like, you know, what the, the in Iraq, the, that,
that structure that's not exactly a pyramid, but it's
pyramidal. And then you have this
rectangle, and then you have this square at the end of it.
Is that it? Yeah.
So if you see it from above, though, you get more of a sense
of it. But yeah, it's reminding me of.
That it does look a lot like a ziggurat for sure.
And you can see the First Temple floor plan, right?
And there's a there's a whole bunch of interesting stuff.
Here's the floor plan here. So the architect's room and.
There you go, this is. This is a Tabernacle you have at
the end of it is the Holy of Holies.
It is the same thing with what's, what's the capital of,
I'm saying Canada, what's the Winnipeg?
The Temple of Winnipeg is modeled after Solomon's Temple.
They do tours, explain how every single part of it is modeled
after that. But yeah.
And if you've seen like Hitler's plan for Germania, it has no, it
has no candle on what Joseph Smith planned for the new
Vatican that was going to be Zion because independence, MO,
he thought was Eden. And if you look at the map,
we've done this before, the Western Sea interior.
This is something I always thought was very interesting.
If you look at the Western Interior Seaway, well, right
there between Utah and Missouri is the coastline where they say
that Adam and Eve came out of Eden and that Eden was here.
And this is like a Lemuria kind of thing that they went into
Africa into particularly North Africa into Egypt that that's
where the the that they ended up.
But that out of Eden, Eden was in Missouri and so they were
returning to Eden when they went to Missouri.
You're. Talking about you're not talking
about John Alexander Dowie. Are you talking about in well,
in Zion IL was so John Alexander Dowie was like in a magical war,
right? Like he want, he wanted this
like there's a crazy alternate timeline where the Jews instead
of going to Israel, actually set up in America in in Zion, IL And
so like, and that's like that's a whole this is so related too
to everything we're talking to. I'm surprised he hasn't come up
anymore. Originally, so we should, we'll
talk, we should look at that for.
Sure, John Alexander Dowie. Yeah, Look him up.
Yeah. There we go right there city
founded in 1900 so John Alexander Dowie went to
Illinois, but originally the plan was Zion in this Zion IL
isn't that far by the way from Missouri.
It's actually like pretty that's the reason that they ended up
right after, but Missouri was where that they were
experiencing the Mormon wars. Mormon wars were Missouri, the
Mormon Missouri war when they were genocided.
Basically the government said we don't like these Mormons and
we're going to kill every man, woman and child.
So they had to leave Missouri. That's how they end up with
Abraham Lincoln in Illinois. They had to leave, but they
wanted to be in Independence MO is that's where they originally
thought they were going to build this giant city of Zion.
And Zion was going to be this crazy huge city that had temples
every direction. And there would be temples to
worship in, but temples to do science in as well.
Like Babylon. There'd be the temple of Math,
temple of the stars, the temple of, you know, music.
It would just be a giant grid full of temples in every
direction. So I think Daoi came after this
and probably had the same problem in Missouri and ended up
creating something very close to it.
But Independence, MO is where today that strange Community of
Christ temple is. And basically, if you take a
rock and you throw it in any direction, you're going to find
a different schism of the Mormon church.
There's just 30-40, a hundred different versions of the Mormon
religion because they don't accept Brigham Young that are
all in that area. But it was supposed to be the
Vatican of America, where all of this regalia was going to be
stored in dozens and dozens of different temples.
And the street design through these huge wide streets in every
direction, this perfect grid, the plan that Joe Smith had for
this city was just completely unparalleled.
And they just couldn't, they could never do it.
So now what you have is called Temple Lot and Temple Lots where
the temple is supposed to go. Let me see if I can find the map
for you somebody. In the comments says Missouri is
how you say Egyptian in Arabic Missouri.
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, because I was thinking of
chem as the as the red earth when you're talking about the
red powder earlier and with Kelly, but I don't know.
Yeah. Well, he's a temple.
Alchemist powder, yeah. There's a temple lot and you got
stone church got the but, but the the churches credit.
Larry says the main intellectual reserve church has control over
a lot of the territory. They just don't have control
over the Community of Christ Temple or the Community of
Christ auditorium. But they've paid a bunch of
money to keep this up basically because they want it back and
their whole thing is that if they and Jacob Isabel's talked
about this as well that they were supposed to establish Sion
here and because they didn't do it.
They're forever in apostasy that the church itself.
This is something that the latter day sits really don't
like to hear but that is it Section 132.
Is that what it is or is that later?
No, it's earlier DNC, maybe I we have to get maybe it's 1:30.
You you called it though, Heidi, like.
Polygamy 1132 is the one on polygamy for sure, but there's
one that says we have to build in Zion or else they're going to
get in trouble. If they don't build the temple,
they don't do exactly what God asked of them, then they're
going to be forsaken. And so they.
We're always in trouble. You're always in trouble.
It's not a forgiving thing. Like someone broke the, the, the
vase at like the the party while the parents were away and you
got to like rebuild it. So when you know mom and dad
come back home, they'll notice some things awry.
Yeah, we. Got to do, you just said it,
dude. That's like that's the Simpson,
that's there's two schools of Kabbalah.
You know, there's the Bereshit school and there's like the
Ezekiel school and you're like referencing it as a perfect
allegory. What the Ezekiel school is with
the breaking of the vessel that the vessel in the in the
beginning was all whole and everything was attached.
You know, we're trying to put it back together as best as we can
to talk about a forgery, right? But it's like it's the thing
still, I guess. But it's like that's their whole
deal is like everything's been fragmented.
We got to bring it back to get to that perfect.
It's as best as we can approximate that perfect
original structure, you know, so you.
Basically say the church though today basically says that they
no longer have to build the temple.
It's no longer like the most important thing where it was.
They consider it the most. I think it's doctrine of the
Covenants 57. I think it's the one OK.
Revelation received by Joseph Smith in Jackson County,
Missouri, designates the Independence as the center place
of Zion and specifies a spot for the temple.
Behold the place which is now called Independence, the center
place and a spot for the temples lying westward upon a lot which
is not far from the courthouse. The Lord commands the Saints to
purchase the land for the temple in the city of Zion.
And I think it's a 58 that says if you, it warns that if you
don't be obedient, you will lose your blessings, right?
So for verily I say unto you, my law shall be kept on this land.
Who am I that made man, saith the Lord, that will hold him
guilt guiltless, that obeys not my commandments.
The revelation also instructs rigging to dedicate the land to
the temple site. So basically a lot of people say
a lot of the reason why there are these schisms, they say,
well, they didn't do it. They should have done it anyway.
They should have basically fought to make this happen in
the valley of giants, right? And Gog and Magog and instead
they were attacked by Missouri's governor who was again murdering
these kids. And the Missouri governor was a
a Freemason who was super against Brigham Young and Joseph
Smith. And they were worried they had
more Masons and Mormons like together than they had Masons in
multiple like areas like the the Mormons totally outbred them,
literally so. Yeah, it was going to be, they
saw it coming, basically that they're, they're going to be
replaced instantly. And like this whole community
was going to control all of the regalia.
And that's a big thing for them. Is this idea because in the
1500s you would go to a church basically because it had the
hand of Saint James or the eye of what?
Yeah, Magog, George Bush, but also Gog and Magog, when Moses
goes into the promised Land, everyone's afraid of the giants.
And so they leave. And God's like, dude, you were
supposed to take that land. And like, yeah, but God, there
were, there were giants. So then they have to wait 40
years outside the desert, right? Or in the desert, which is
ironically kind of how long Utah was this like under Brigham
Young? It's like the 40 years in the
desert. Thing and and also, ironically,
exactly how the angels with John Dee felt when they asked for
money. They were like stop with your
stupid shit, go to work. Give me money.
You'll, you'll notice that the, the 40 thing, the way it occurs
is that like so 40 days and 40 nights with the, with the deluge
is relating to the Hebrew letter mem, which mean literally is if
you were to spell out mem, mem, mem, you have water.
So it's this, there's this idea that they're in the desert,
right? They need water.
It's like even mana, like the word mana literally is a
question like the word itself. It means what is it?
So you're like, well, what is mana?
I don't know mana. What is it like?
You're not going to know what it is, but they're.
Trying to you, but Salt Lake City, it's cool.
Like every once in a while be driving across the country and
I'll stop in Salt Lake. And you didn't say hi to me?
I'm upset with you. It's been a while.
I think it's before we knew each other.
I of course I will ever if I come back again and I will
because every once in a while if your feet are ever feeling like
you got like I've, I've luckily not had this problem, but I've
seen this happen for people. They have like toe fungus and
stuff and they go to the Salt Lake.
If you wash your feet in the salt water that Salt Lake is,
it's a purifying ritual that's unparalleled.
It does amazing things for you. That's that.
Salt. That salt in that lake is the
most comparative to the Dead Sea as far as I've studied all of
its elements and like how they compare to other that have salt
water. Yeah, literally.
And it makes no sense, honestly, because Brigham Young came here
and said this is the place. And it makes no sense if you
don't look at everything because you're like, we have an
uninhabitable area. We have all this desert or cold.
It's either freaking 110° or it's really freezing with snow.
We've got all these mountains around.
Like it just seems like not the best idea.
And he's like, Yep, that's it. And then you look at it and it's
the one place we have mountains, but we have deserts, We have a a
Dead Sea basically here we have freshwater.
We have all kinds of weird like I would dare say natural portals
honestly, but. Yeah, and Utah, the Ute the idea
of the Utah, the utes the Jews and the Ishmaelites that they
that bring me on thought these native tribes were the
Ishmaelites similar to the ones in Egypt that took most.
What was this in? But again, OK, so Dachshund
Covenants 97. Yeah, verily, I say unto you, I
give you a commandment that you should build a house in which
you which house I have designed to endow those whom I have
chosen with the power from on high.
And verily, if Zion observed not do whatever I commanded her, I
will visit her according to her works with sore afflictions,
pestilence, plagues and the sword of vengeance with
devouring fire, right. And so this is a big thing for
them is that they screwed up. They didn't do what they were
supposed to do in Missouri. You may end up, you know, in
Utah, which for whatever reason the government starts saying
everything horrible they can about Mormons every.
If you start looking for Mormon anti Mormon cartoons from the
1800s, it's something. It's crazy the East.
Paranoid has some. They're basically, yeah, I think
you went, there's some crazy stuff because they're trying to
convince people they need to go to war with Utah because Utah
was its There you go. Utah is this independent,
desperate women, its own nation, its own country.
The Yeah, the women are being forced into slavery, They're
being sexually trafficked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
All the stuff that they tried to make Brigham Young look.
But also, you know, they did try to leave.
They did try to leave America to be left alone, but then they
were reacquired. Right so they were surrounded
because of this propaganda campaign that they said we need
to go into Utah and invade. Invaded Utah.
You can't go back up Co-op. One and well.
Alligator. Alligator oil.
Oh, is it crocodile oil Time? Never mind.
Keep going. Yeah, they surround basically
the way that we invaded Mexico or we invaded another country.
Well, it actually one of the most important things would
invade Utah to conquer Utah. It's.
Kind of like Heaven's Gate, the film Heaven's Gate, right, which
is had two hours edited out of it, which I'm really curious
what those are where you have like from on high.
They're like, you know, kind of like putting, putting people
against each other and like, they don't, they don't care
about like they just want them to take care of it.
You know, we got something. They're organizing.
They're doing this thing here. Let's just stamp that out.
We'll just do these propaganda campaigns to get everybody to
turn against each other, right? Is that what's happening here
or? Well, just like just like the
John D like that's the same, same thing.
Like he was trying to do what, bring everyone together under
what, 1 unified new world order? He's the first one that I know
of at least, that coined it. And the Mormons are very much
like that back in the day. But they wanted it to be their
religion. They do want a one world
religion, but it has to be Mormons because everyone else is
going to hell. So.
But it, I mean, yeah, they're still keeping it divisive like
you're saying. Yeah.
Yeah, seems seems purposeful. Definitely, definitely.
They were definitely afraid of the the power of those people.
And I will say this for Brigham, though, I think he was an
asshole. And if you want to watch
Primeval and the, you know, this whole thing, it is like not 100%
true at all, but the show is interesting.
I do think, you know, he was a great leader.
Whether he led it correctly, that's not the point.
He led them regardless and scared some people.
But I also think, just like John DI think he got in bed with the
president, not the queen, which sucks for him 'cause that's a
dude, but whatever. He at least had a chick, you
know? Yeah, never know.
You gotta have a beard. Me and Thomas have already
talked about that. I don't trust anybody's opinion
really, unless they have a big long beard.
Wizard Krishnamurti, you can joke about that, Krishnamurti be
like, I don't care how long the man's beard is.
It doesn't. You can't base somebody's
authority on their beard. I don't know.
Orson Pratt had quite a beard. I think if if the beard sticks
out in this big wild kind. Of well, Orson tells the truth.
He said too much stuff. They're going to make him.
Yeah, he said too many things. Orson, yeah, he tasted up
against Brigham Young quite a bit.
And then eventually silence. He tried to keep the magic,
Yeah, he tried to keep the magic, he really did.
He tried to keep the Koh lob and all the things, but no, no, no.
I hope I didn't completely derail you, Heidi 'cause I know
you had more things you were trying to share and I didn't see
it. Oh it, it's OK, this is fun too.
I I just wanted to make jokes too about their beards, 'cause
we just did that. Show.
Hold on corporate. Corporate wants you to find the
difference between. You would be a.
Big girl, you would be good. You got 55 lives.
You need 55 lives. Hey, where's the hat?
You need a top hat. That's true.
We just have some wild side for that.
Yeah, he needs, he needs all that.
So what's up with Abraham Lincoln with the hat?
Was that really him? Some kind of subliminal
statement about Joseph Smith, who had been assassinated?
Is that really where we're going with?
I think so. I think he's just trying to, you
know, people knew the imagery already because abolition,
before they knew about polygamy with Joseph Smith, they knew
about abolition with Joseph Smith.
So here is a guy who's a religious guy who's trying to
fight for equality, etcetera, of men and women and African
Americans. And so they already had the
imagery. So he's picking up on the
imagery. Even though most people didn't
know that he was using the hat for magical purposes, they knew
that that was the symbol associated with Joseph Smith.
And so and that became something 15 years later, he just used it
because it was. Do we know like the origin of
the rabbit in the hat trick being so like central to a
symbol of magic and then pull it, pull the tablets with the
hat? Is there like some crazy like
obvious connection there? I don't.
Know. I'll Google it.
I don't know it. I don't know now, no.
Yeah, I was going to tell you. No, there's no there.
Just leave this one alone. But yeah, no, I don't know.
There is another direct Joseph Smith Abraham Lincoln connection
because it says here that Joseph Smith spent the winter in
Washington DC seeking compensation for the Saints
losses in Missouri in 1839. So he might have actually
brushed against Abraham Lincoln. So there's no record of the
meeting. It's just, it's another one of
those cases. There's a letter they wrote I
thought though, right? But I'll tell you, the
president's become very close with the Mormons later.
They make up and let me say, well, they're all buddies, I
believe at at this point. And Brigham, well, that too.
And Brigham Young runs away. But then the first thing he does
is help finish the railroad. So I mean, he he has he has
interesting things he does. And I do think that he was smart
enough to see, you know, they were going to have to play ball
at some point. But he was extremely racist.
He was horrible. He wasn't like Joseph.
He literally said if you see your wife in bed with a black
man, run a sword through both of them, then let him live, like,
kill them all. Like he was horribly racist.
So it got flipped. I'm always like a little
questioning of when we have like these feuds that are well known,
like inside where we look, we were talking about people like,
Oh yeah, they were really at odds with each other.
I always wonder if it's like, you know, how Jesse Ventura said
the Worldwide Wrestling kind of prepared him for politics like
John Kerry and, and, and George W like both being Skull and
Bones members and then, oh, they're really, you know, having
at each other here. And you're like, I don't.
Know man it. Seems like this is like just a
stage, you know? So that's a hair statement,
right? They are both.
Both of them. That's like the hat.
Abraham Lincoln was black. We all know this.
We all knew this, yeah. He needs the hat, that's why he
wore it. Prince told me that Louis Comte
apparently is a Parisian magician called the King's
Conjurer, born in Geneva, who allegedly performed the first
rabbit out of a hat trick, even though Jean Eugene Robert Houdin
did some similar sort of conjuring and out of hat magic
before him. I'm sending in the private chat
the links to those two and then Isaac Fox might be the first one
famous for pulling anything out of anything else right out of
magic boxes and things like that.
But. Also a Mormon, I assume.
I mean he has that vibe but no. Allegedly this is earlier on.
So Louis Comte was from Geneva and apparently he was practicing
magic as well. But it's I'm not if you see it
was a Mormon or just like doing the same kind of folk magic, It
looks like they're both really interested in folk magic.
Well, you know, I truly they say folk magic, but I will say this,
it's Solomonic magic that they knew not to say all magic like
or folk magic doesn't exist. I'm saying exactly from the
parchments they they knew more like the.
I wish they would quit making The Smiths look so stupid.
I hate it the worst. Like even though I'm not a
Mormon anymore, it's still annoying.
Like that's, yeah. Well, they're George Bush and
them. George W Bush and them, yeah.
Yep. Yep, in.
In In what sense? So it takes a wise man to play
the part of a fool and then are we projecting?
The yeah, they say they were poor farmers that didn't know
anything, couldn't even read or write.
But he's learning how to write Hebrew.
Good on you guys, Smart. Smart and all the follies are
just blamed on stray ignorance as opposed to apathy or design.
Right, there you go. Yeah, they were no fools.
Yeah, or it's 5D chess or whatever, you know.
That I agree that I agree that they were, but I don't think any
of that family was idiotic like they want to say they were.
That's just weird. I'm going to start driving us
home so let me know if anyone needs to stop for a break or or
get some snacks. Otherwise, we're, we're heading
home right now. Let me, let me, let me, let me
let Heidi do all of her plugs. If you want to hear more about
Heidi and John D and Joseph Smith and ultimately what's been
selling me more and more on Mormonism, the more I hear from
her, the more I wish I had grown up Mormon.
But go ahead and tell everyone if they also want to get
converted to Mormonism, where they can do that.
Well, remember, all the magic is gone now.
Brigham killed it all, so it's not quite the same.
It's. Relying on me to bring it back
and people like me to go in there and let them know that.
Go in there and let. Them know like I'm I'm a
treasure hunter. That's right.
Well, I definitely think they need some shaping up or maybe
just split the two, right? But there's the CIA fed Mormon
church and then there's the magical Mormon church.
So Brigham. The Magical Mystery Church.
Yes, and mystery schools, which what a better way to send your
kids away if you're in the elite population of the Mormon church
to a mystery school than an LDS mission.
It's all covered for you ta da but if you want to hear more
about silly Mormon things like that that are all true and
heavily researched because as silly as I am, I do like it to
be stand alone on these topics because I know how controversial
they are. Growing up Mormon living in
Utah. So there's that.
I live in Utah still. People hate me.
It's fine. But if you like me you can find
me. I'm filtered risepodcast.com or
unfiltered rise everywhere podcasts are served for pod
chaser. If you are finding me on
YouTube, you will. You'll only see me on here about
once a week because YouTube likes to slam me with little.
You did this bad or that bad and I really don't want to lose my
channel so check me out on Spotify.
That's it for me. Perfect.
It's difficult to navigate YouTube.
'S. Proclivity.
Yeah, it's, it's a very tightrope we walk and I
appreciate all of you and it was so nice to meet you again.
The Next up we've got the amazing David Charles plate, the
MK Ultrasound 723, who always tells people to basically go to
the Twitter page, click on highlights, and then you've got
I don't know how many hundreds, 500 a 1000.
Technically there's more on the on the website, but I do have a
fair amount. It's definitely over 100 here on
Twitter I think. But yes, album film pairings.
So you can also just go to thesyncbook.com.
You're going to Scroll down a little bit and then you're going
to see Sync Flicks, which we've got a whole bunch of different
movies. The David's paired original
albums with movies the same way. What is it?
The Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd? Yep, that's the that's the first
one to really kind of popularize the idea of synchronizing albums
with films. But I've been, I've been at this
since junior high and I'm 43. And so it's, yeah, this is like
basically my wife's work up here for free streaming and download.
Don't watch it on the phone. Anyway, Apple doesn't like
these. It doesn't want to play them.
But if you're on a computer or you want to do HDMI or I, I
recommend downloading so you can just kind of cut through the
buffering if there's one that jumps out to you.
But yeah, this is many, many, many years of of, of work and
they're available for streaming for people interested.
Yep. And and then we've got the
Zurdus website. Which is 1 of.
One of many, though I don't see this one very often.
Exertus is everything. It's true.
Yeah. X church is live.
X church is real. If you want to learn more about
Tartaria or any of like the hidden history or talk more
about Mormonism, definitely check out my channel Watch
History Revised. This is a fun video to watch if
you haven't seen it already. You can look into some really
interesting ways of looking at things, generally new
epistemology. But yeah, watch Exertis, go to
Exertis on YouTube, go to exertis.com.
And then also, hey, don't forget to watch Heidi and Paranoid
American's whole series of Mormon Mondays because I've been
watching them through because I missed a bunch of them.
I'm going to try to get involved with the next ones that you do
because I think we should just like plug those even harder.
So that's some of my favorite podcasts I've been watching
recently. There's just so much fun to see
these conversations and I want to be more a part of them.
So thank you guys for doing that.
And then 01 more thing. If you are interested in like
Mormonism, like latter day St. mysticism from people that are
still practicing it, you could say I would recommend a couple
books. Let me pull up on my screen
here. Just two books that you could
look at that are these are church approved.
Basically, I think the Church is totally fine with these, which
is The Key to the Keystone by my dear friend Jonah Barnes.
This will tell you all sorts of interesting things about how
apocryphal texts unlock the Book of Mormon's brass plates.
I think this is a really worth it book to read.
Whether you're for or against it, you ought to read this.
I mean, I think I'm going to send this to the Eastern
Orthodox. They should anybody interested
in Gnosis or Gnosticism or heresy, they should probably
read The Key to the Keystone. It's really fascinating deep
dive into things and it's forwards by John Butler, DJ,
who's been on the show. Before D John Butler is what is
up with these John DS all over the place?
And you you've actually met him because I've had you know, I've
had you on with him before. Actually, if you remember this
guy here, he's a writer who does sci-fi and also has his own book
on Mormonism in the language of Adam, which kind of relates to
what we were talking about earlier with Enoki and doctor or
DJD John Butler, DJ, we call him.
So check out, check out both of those books.
Key to the Keystone and in the language of Adam.
Both of them are really cool and they're not going to get you in
trouble, but they will get you in trouble in like the cool way
because you'll know way too much about mysticism and Mormonism
and I highly recommend them for sure.
Along with X Church dot US, which is, I believe the only
denomination that outwardly believes in time travel.
Yeah, and we're wearing time. Aliens might have that too, but
yeah, gotcha. I'm pretty.
Sure that they're just fooling around with space, not a time.
We wouldn't know the UFOs, the time machines, you know, I
learned a lot about this kind of stuff.
I do my best thinking on the bus.
You know, that's true. I don't drive, see.
This is our best bet for getting Heidi right back to Kolob.
She's. Sitting on the space-time bus.
With me. You're not supposed to say that
out loud, though. Now she's going to resist it.
She's got. Off the good, I think she's cool
with it. You can hold my hand second
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Morning. We're going to never.
There we go. I can be.
I can be the one Living Waters in the group.
OK, that's a bad joke. Sorry.
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So please do that so we can keep bringing you more of these and
thank you guys for an awesome conversation.
I feel like we could do another John D Part 2 just like we're
going to do a Beards Part 2. Maybe John D will be in the
Mormon Beards Part 2. John D's cool beard.
Yeah, we're. Going to have some Kelly.
We should also talk about the 116 missing pages because that
was what Mark Hoffman was working on as he ended right
before he got destroyed was, you know, Joseph Smith was supposed
to have had 116 pages which were destroyed.
The missing 116 pages and definitely important stuff to
look into more like what, what is it about those 116 pages that
the Mormon Church isn't allowed to see?
Right. Let's talk about that sometime
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