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Wake up, it's another monthly 
warm in Monday and we're 

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actually doing it on a Monday 
for the first time in months. 

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This is paranoid. 
American here. 

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That's Heidi love over there 
from unfiltered rise. 

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How you doing, Heidi? 
Good welcome to family home 

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evening, your first one ever. 
I just learned about that last 

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night when I was doing some 
research and I was just trying 

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to find an older episode of ours
and I just kept Googling monthly

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Mormon Monday instead of going 
to wherever the hell the link 

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was and that was the 1st result.
It was like a Reddit thread and 

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it said something about when is 
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we get Monday nights back again 
and I was wondering like what 

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the hell? 
So what does this actually mean?

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Are Mormons not allowed to go 
outside on Monday nights? 

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Well, that's not it. 
It's just that they keep you. 

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Remember how I said you're very 
busy when you're a Mormon? 

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And on Mondays it's family home 
evening. 

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Now they've changed it a little 
and they say you can do it 

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anytime now, any day of the 
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But everybody is stuck on it 
because it's been this way 

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forever. 
That Monday night is family home

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evening night. 
So you stay home and you do, you

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know, some family activity and 
usually not involving TV or 

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anything like that. 
It's it's usually like a 

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teaching about God thing. 
And so, yeah, Yep, you got to 

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stay home with your parents. 
How is that? 

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I mean, I'm not asking genuinely
here. 

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How is that any different than 
any other night in a Mormon 

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household? 
I assume that after dinner they 

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just bring out the Bible or the 
Book of Mormon and then just 

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read from it, no? 
No, this is more like a, a 

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actual topic and they bring 
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And most the time in Mormon 
households is super busy and 

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kids are running everywhere and 
the little ones are doing little

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people things and the big ones 
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So it's, it's always busy. 
And so this is a night that they

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usually want you to be all 
together. 

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And then it used to be like, 
then women's meeting is Tuesday,

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and on Wednesday it's, you know,
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which is the teenagers. 
And then, you know, then there's

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priesthood meeting. 
Then you got to go visiting, 

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teaching. 
There's so many things. 

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So yeah, you just got to stay 
busy all the time. 

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Just you're making it sound 
almost like it was a like a 

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podcast. 
Right, it is worst. 

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Family podcast, a bad family 
podcast about kind of what we're

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doing right now. 
So maybe what we're doing is. 

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We are teaching. 
Family. 

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Yeah, we're teaching. 
We're talking about Mormonism, 

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and it's Monday night, so I was 
joking when you brought that up.

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But does this mean that I'm 
somewhat a Mormon? 

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Am I like? 
5% more, yeah, 5% more Mormon 

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than you were right now. 
You've been to family Home 

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evening. 
So if we really were at a family

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home evening, we would pray and 
we would have a opening hymn and

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we would sing and it's a whole 
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So I'll. 
Let you take the lead, because I

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don't know. 
The I'm not singing, Let's go. 

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Please, the floor is yours. 
Not singing, you know, I think 

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the scars alone plus. 
Popcorn tree No. 

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Yeah, I do. 
I did like that song and I never

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understood it. 
I'm like, are you singing? 

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I'm not singing. 
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apricot tree. 
I was always like. 

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Tidy will sing the popcorn. 
And I always smart enough as a 

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child to be like, those are 
flowers and I don't get it. 

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And and so I still had a fun 
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But like as your popcorn 
popping, I was like, this is 

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fake. 
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conspiracy theorist. 
I was like, I'm black Pilling 

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the kid next to me. 
It's not popcorn. 

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It's not. 
So yeah, I ruined it. 

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Someone mentioned that the first
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had Jacob Isbell was going to 
come on. 

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Andre Curtis was going to come 
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the show started. 
Jacob floated, and because his 

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beard is not magic enough, I 
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beard magic. 
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And what I'm thinking is that 
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come on another version of this 
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going to call it like the 
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and it'll have a does. 
Zurdus even have a beard, does 

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he qualify? 
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that he was going to grow one in
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episodes so and he can grow 
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Really. 
He's so blonde I'm surprised. 

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Now he can grow a beard in 
facial hair very fast. 

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So they will be on the extreme 
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So we're still going to talk 
about beards because I've got a 

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whole bunch of crazy beard 
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I feel like I want to just jump 
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tongue in cheek version of this,
but a beard is also a slang term

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for a gay guy that gets married 
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beard or vice versa. 
But usually that's the guy 

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putting on a beard is him 
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And I assume that this is 
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popular in the Mormon community,
right? 

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Like you can't just come out. 
They definitely would like you 

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better to not do that. 
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Do you think it's 
overcompensation like the the 

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the gayer you are, the more 
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putting on beards and beards and
beards? 

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Too bad we can't ask Brigham 
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good child ratio. 
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children production phase. 
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And Brigham Young, I guess 
that's a great point to start 

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out on because he is listed in 
Time magazines like Top 100 

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beards or whatever. 
He's #19 so here, here's what a 

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Brigham Young beard looks like. 
It actually look at the color. 

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Hold on, just look at. 
The color and look at the color.

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Yeah. 
That's scary. 

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Are you sure you're not related?
I feel like I again I'm growing 

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into Mormonism more each day 
like and I'm not trying to do 

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it, it's just happening 
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This is scary. 
What advice could you give me to

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avoid slipping completely into 
Mormonism without realizing it? 

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Do not have 55 lives. 
Done. 

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I'm I'm already not doing that 
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start. 
Or 57 children. 

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That's only like 1 point 
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He was a hit it and quit it. 
He must have sucked. 

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That's my thought. 
I like how you always dig at him

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for not having more kids. 
Like I feel like deep down 

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there's a Mormon part of you 
that's like. 

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There is. 
Wasn't Mormon enough? 

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He was a bad prophet because you
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asshole. 
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multiply and replenish the 
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And I know many Mormons that 
have one wife with like 1314 

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kids. 
So I don't know what he's doing 

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here. 
I don't. 

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Know I wonder too, in Brigham 
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taking another per non Mormon 
off the earth was also like, did

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you have to replenish that 
person because you removed the 

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person or is it like that's one 
less resource needer out there 

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to compete with me and my drive?
Well, if you're a guy that still

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actually happens to your point 
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So the FLDS will kick men out 
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their wives and reassign them 
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So it's actually done often. 
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tragic situation with their boys
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They'll actually kick them out 
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and be like, yeah, we don't need
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and young, so get out of here. 
And they'll just throw them out 

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of the community. 
They don't know how. 

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They've never been to real 
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They've never talked to like the
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They're not allowed to. 
So yeah, that's a bad one. 

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How does the wife reassignment 
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So literally you OK, so my you 
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brother-in-law was Warren, 
Jeff's nephew as well on both 

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sides. 
Like he was related on both 

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sides. 
And by the time he did a very 

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tiny he was working construction
and they wanted him to build a 

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sewer uphill, which doesn't 
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So he was nicely trying to be 
like, Hey, uncle cuz like they 

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were on that level like a good 
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And he's like, hey, unk that's 
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And he was like, the hell you 
say drive home right now. 

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He gave him like enough money to
get home and took his phone and 

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took everything. 
And he's like, you, you're in 

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their vehicles. 
You're in because it's like the 

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construction company. 
And he said, by the time I got 

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home, I thought I was just going
for a meeting. 

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My wives and kids were already 
gone so. 

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How many wives did he have? 
He had two and then his kids. 

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He just had three kids with his 
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barely got together with the 
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So I guess, I guess someone, you
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here because this might be 
asking more back into the 19th 

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century even, but I'm wondering 
if you're Brigham Young or 

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you're someone adjacent and 
you've got 40 wives and you 

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either die, you get kicked out, 
you go to jail, something 

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happens. 
Do the 40 wives just flood the 

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market? 
Are they going through like a 

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liquidation outlet where it's 
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Is there like a? 
Sign up where the the leaders of

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the church get to like their 
first pick before the rest of 

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them are opened out into the 
rest or. 

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They are assigned. 
They do not get to pick unless 

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it's a very special 
circumstance, but it is quite 

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common for your brother to marry
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It's kind of his job. 
But like, how does the 

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assignment work? 
Because I, I assume that at some

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point preference plays in right,
Someone up up high is like, hey,

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I heard that there's going to be
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reserve the model B for me or 
whatever. 

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And then they. 
Get you? 

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Yeah, you get them assigned. 
Like the higher up you're right.

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The higher up you are, if you 
have some clout for whatever 

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reason, then you kind of get, 
you know, your little, your 

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little hands in there quicker, 
but also the family members get 

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to get in there fast. 
So it's so creepy. 

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Though you'd have to marry his 
brother, which is like your 

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brother-in-law. 
And yeah, it's all bad. 

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I guess it's better than their 
brother. 

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Oops. 
Who? 

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Who's brother? 
You know, sometimes they'd be 

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marrying up too close a 
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So I guess brother-in-law is not
terrible for that clan. 

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I mean, just in fairness, that's
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does. 
So isn't that just emulating 

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that the highest class people on
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Well, they do do it for the same
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I mean, they do believe that 
they come from the line of David

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with this whole Priory of scion 
business and genetics. 

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And Joseph Smith said he was 
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his wives. 
So. 

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There was, oh man, I don't know 
if I'm going to be able to find 

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the exact quote I had on here, 
but someone was mentioning that 

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their their, is it a Bishop? 
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their Bishop was trying to tell 
them that all the photos, or all

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the paintings rather of Jesus 
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Which actually I kind of agree 
with 'cause he was like a 

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Medici. 
Anyways, he was talking about 

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the long hair and the Bishop was
like, that's not the real Jesus.

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The real Jesus had short hair. 
His sideburns didn't go under 

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the middle of his like the the 
historical Jesus actually looked

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remarkably like a modern day 
version of the Mormon 

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guidelines. 
The missionary. 

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The missionary, I don't know 
about that, but they do think he

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was very white and delightsome 
and they actually say he had 

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reddish hair, so whatever. 
I think they're talking about 

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another Jesus in my opinion, but
that's fine. 

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We as I was just looking around 
for some interesting Mormon 

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beards and graphics and I came 
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mentioned that you hadn't seen a
whole bunch of the things on it.

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You, you definitely. 
Have seen this one. 

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So this one's I mean this was 
not made by Mormons. 

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This was like an appeal to 
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not reading non Mormon papers 
anyways, so would have fallen on

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deaf ears. 
But they were saying like, hey, 

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if you try and go out West, you 
will die. 

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There are so many of you dying. 
And I guess American prime of 

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all kind of style where you're 
just sending these bumpkins out 

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into the wilderness and they 
have absolutely no idea what's 

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waiting for them. 
Or like the trials and 

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tribulations it's going to 
require. 

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Although, yeah, these are it's 
all wives and children. 

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There's no men in this scene. 
So was was that pretty typical 

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is that the guy would just leave
all of his wives somewhere and 

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go out to Utah and then say come
out and meet me 'cause I would 

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assume you travel with all your 
wives. 

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No, no, they rarely did. 
It was kind of really looked 

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down upon with the whole 
polygamy thing. 

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So they would often and to this 
day keep that on the DL and only

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go out with my wife at a time. 
And then, you know, it's, it's 

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not ever the wives will go out 
together, like to the grocery 

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store or whatever and they'll 
just be like, oh, she's my 

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sister and 'cause they could say
sister wife. 

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So they'll be together 
sometimes, but not the husband. 

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The husband will usually only be
seen with one wife because they 

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used to prosecute them quite 
heavily. 

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So. 
I guess that's interesting. 

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Like even in modern day Salt 
Lake, it's not like you're gonna

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go to a restaurant and see a guy
taken out his nine wives in the 

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middle. 
Of the restaurant right no, they

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only go out with one family at a
time like when people think of 

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polygamy they think like it's a 
fun Charles Manson thing like 

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where everybody's in the bed 
together right it's not that for

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sure what do you. 
Want like the Charles Manson for

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your? 
Right, right. 

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Yeah, 'cause you know, but 
process church Mormon. 

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Oh, we better not go there 
anyways. 

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All society the Cincinnati, to 
be honest. 

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But wait, we better not go 
where. 

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With the process church and the 
Mormon church and their 

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parallels, let alone bull 
Society of. 

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I don't know. 
I'm interested what what are the

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parallels between the process 
church and the Mormon church? 

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Well, you know very culty, very 
culty and the background of so 

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many of the process church being
three letter agencies, the 

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Mormons 3 letter agencies. 
I just yeah, right. 

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Exactly, but there's none of the
kinky. 

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Well, I won't say ever because 
clearly Warren Jeff's got in 

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trouble for some things. 
But normally it's this wife 

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lives in this house, this wife 
lives in this house, this wife 

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lives in this house. 
And on Mondays you go there and 

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on Tuesdays you and it and it 
just goes like that. 

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So they have like a calendar and
everything. 

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If you're Brigham Young and 
you've got 40 plus wives, a 

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couple of them are going to have
kings, right Just and a numbers 

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game. 
He had favorites. 

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He did have some favorites that 
got a lot more attention than 

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others. 
I will say. 

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Mm hmm. 
And she? 

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Didn't have any. 
Kids, one of them is really good

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at cooking Italian, so like 
that's the favorite whenever he 

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like, really wants some 
spaghetti. 

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Right, my guess is it was 
something different 'cause she 

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was quite young. 
But yeah, I don't know, maybe he

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was trying extra to have a baby 
with her and then it just didn't

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work out. 
But maybe he didn't want another

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baby to tote around. 
He he has been said that he 

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often times abandoned like the 
families, like they'd get 

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married and they'd have their 
night together and then like 

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he's like, go fend for yourself 
so. 

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I mean, again, if you've got 40 
wives, you could only spend 

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what, like four or five days 
with each one of them? 

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And I assume that he never got a
day to himself. 

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I don't know. 
I think he did what he wanted to

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do. 
He seemed pretty able to just 

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blow off and, and honestly there
was a lot of the wives that 

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became really close that kind of
depended on each other so that 

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they could do something. 
Cuz back then they're not 

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working. 
Like they had to do something 

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for money. 
He would take off and leave them

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like hundreds of miles away and 
not send money. 

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And these women would have like 
babies and stuff. 

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And he's just like, seems like a
you problem. 

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Like he was a Dick. 
Like literally. 

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And so. 
Yeah, well. 

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I guess this isn't appropriate 
'cause when I was looking at 

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this image too, I was thinking 
that these wives and their 

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children are the beard in this 
image, right? 

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You've got like the head and 
there's like that, that salt and

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pepper beard in the car. 
I see it. 

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Spooky, right? 
Am I? 

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Am I the only one that saw? 
That I see that. 

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Right. 
That's totally a beard. 

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Oh yeah. 
Weird. 

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This one says the key to the 
mysteries of Mormonism. 

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But this is just Freemasonry, 
right? 

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That's all. 
We're looking at, I mean, they 

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let girls in. 
Other than that, yes. 

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This right here has got a priest
getting really close to another 

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guy dressed as Adam. 
I guess Now what? 

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I assume that they're whispering
something like don't be gay 

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here, but it's got like a weird 
look to it almost. 

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I mean, I'm not, I'm not trying 
to be crass. 

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I'm not intentionally doing 
this, but that Bishop is totally

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spinning into that naked dude's 
mouth, is he not? 

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It's very strange. 
It's very, Yeah, I don't know 

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how much. 
Cold striking because I want to 

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make sure I'm not just like 
reading into this and revealing 

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like my own shadow self. 
But look, look at this. 

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Yeah, it looks exactly what's 
happening. 

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It looks like a. 
Lot what's happening here? 

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Is he like looking into his 
mouth or looking into his eye 

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or? 
I hope he's checking his teeth 

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because it looks kinky. 
Yikes. 

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I get you didn't get to go 
through this one because. 

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You. 
Were in the 20th century and I 

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assume different for girls and 
guys. 

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Thank heavens. 
And then we've got like a fat 

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Napoleon Bonaparte here or 
something. 

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With stretchy pants he has these
stretchy pants. 

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And a FUPA, a Mormon he does 
have. 

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A He definitely has that. 
Yeah, that's not attractive on 

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that guy. 
Weird. 

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And it also seems that in every 
every one of these, oops, 

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there's some code. 
In case you want to really look 

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at some code, there's like a a 
Satan or like a trickster 

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figure. 
Like here's here's like a little

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monkey looking one in the 
background and the trees. 

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Here's a creepy little guy that 
looks like he's the old man from

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ninja scroll. 
That's like hiding up here. 

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But then as you go through each 
one of these little panels, 

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that's. 
What about the guy with the What

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about the guy with the animal 
that was weird the first 

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picture? 
Look, he's with a horse or 

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something. 
I mean, he's just leaning on the

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horse. 
I'm not going to look too much 

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into all of them like that guy 
is doing something weird with 

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that guy. 
The horse guy gets a pass just 

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because he's the least weird 
thing happening in this 

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particular part of the image, 
right? 

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Everything else is way weirder 
than that. 

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It's. 
Very. 

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Strange. 
This one's got a little devil. 

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And then if you look in the far 
background, there's like another

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little devil over here on the 
right. 

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It's like talking to this guy by
a tree and I'm assuming and then

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here's like AI guess that's a 
lion. 

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At first I thought it was like 
the decapitated head of a lion, 

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but I think he's just petting a 
weird. 

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He's just petting the lion. 
They needed to cover his, you 

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know, business. 
So yes. 

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And then this What is happening 
here? 

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Why is this Bishop guy? 
Is he putting something on her? 

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Head, I think he's probably 
anointing her with oil. 

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That's my guess on that one. 
Remember how my great grandma 

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sent you to get the hole naked 
for it? 

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My guess is that is the 
alligator oil. 

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I mean the blessed olive oil in 
our church now. 

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Maybe it was alligator oil then?
There's a little like Zombie Guy

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too, coming out of the ground 
down here. 

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Yeah. 
I'm joking when I say zombie 

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like 'cause you can see that he 
kind of has bones or flesh that 

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are eating away on his arm, 
right? 

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Here, well, they're baptizing 
the dead and stuff. 

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They're doing stuff for the dead
there, so they're coming up out 

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of the ground. 
There's more. 

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See, There's another one. 
Yeah, there's some guys coming 

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out of the ground. 
There's like a baby coming out 

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of the ground back here. 
Are there Mormon stories with 

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dead babies coming out of the 
ground? 

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Apparently, well, they, they say
that, you know, we're doing all 

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this work for dead people. 
So OK, I mean I don't put it 

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past it, but this is all weird. 
There's a Mormon zombie movie 

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waiting to be made out there. 
Definitely this is. 

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And I hope no one's done this 
before my my good friend Spencer

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Lukes, who is the main writer on
Sam Tripoli's Chaos Twins. 

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And he wrote the Never a 
Straight Answer with me. 

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And he had put together this 
like really clever screenplay 

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for like a Netflix series or an 
Amazon series. 

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But it was about vampire Mormons
because it would be the perfect 

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thing that you send these 
missionaries to people's houses 

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trying to convert them. 
But really they're just there to

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like, turn them into vampires. 
You only. 

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Well, don't forget you. 
Only go out at night. 

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Stephanie Meyers, you know, she 
was a Mormon. 

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I guess the Twilight is already 
that series. 

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Right, definitely. 
And I mean, this all seems very 

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strange, but yeah, very lovely. 
So, and again, this one I think 

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is like an expose on Mormons. 
If you look really close on some

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of these images, they're all 
numbered. 

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So I think a lot of the 
questions like why is she naked?

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What's he pouring on her head? 
I know why she's naked. 

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They they are doing, I know that
one. 

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They're doing initiatory on that
one at least I know that one. 

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But the rest of these animals 
running around in their most 

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nicest celestial room, I don't 
know what that's about, but. 

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Because even if it's initiation,
why does she have to be naked 

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exactly? 
Because that Bishop was like, I,

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I think you just ought to be 
naked. 

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Fully naked. 
Fully. 

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Naked the guy. 
The guys are like, you could 

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just take off your shirt. 
Great. 

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Great grandma confirmed fully 
naked. 

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I had a poncho. 
Now you have a baptism suit. 

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It's very uncomfortable. 
Yeah. 

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This apparently was also a 
really popular motif of 

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Mormonism being this huge 
alligator or like a crocodile, 

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like some big reptile reptilian 
foreign thing that was invading 

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into the the States. 
Because this comes up a few 

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different times. 
And this one's called While the 

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Watchman Sleeps. 
So it's basically that Uncle Sam

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is asleep at the wheel and he's 
letting Mormons into Congress. 

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So I maybe Mormons were not 
welcoming Congress, but they had

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some cash, I assume to get them 
in the door. 

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Well, Brigham Young was very 
chummy with all the railroad 

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people. 
And actually, Promontory Point 

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is here in Utah, where the 
railroad was completed. 

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And they say, OK, he's running 
for his life because all these 

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polygamous wives and running 
away from the government. 

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And then he's like, hey, yo, 
I'll help you build the 

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railroad. 
Like, what? 

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Why are you contacting people 
that you're running from? 

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Did you never hear about? 
You're not supposed to do that. 

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But yeah, So I, I dare say 
there's been many infiltrations 

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forever. 
Yeah. 

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Since Joseph. 
They didn't like him messing 

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around with, trying to become 
the president. 

455
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,600
They were not happy with that. 
This is one. 

456
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,280
I assumed it was about equal 
rights and they were like, here,

457
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,320
pick up a gun. 
It says Brigham Young mustering 

458
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,000
his forces to fight the United 
States troops. 

459
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,880
So the joke here is that he was 
just marrying a bunch of women 

460
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,960
to send them off into battle, 
which I don't think of her. 

461
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,480
Did that happen? 
Did Mormons send their wives in 

462
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,520
the battle? 
That I do not think actually 

463
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,920
happened, but I will tell you I 
wouldn't doubt some of them 

464
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,520
going out there regardless 
because there was some very wild

465
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,560
pioneering women. 
Not wild is in a bad way but 

466
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,640
like they could hold their own 
so. 

467
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,800
This also shows that I mean, 
back as far as you can go, this 

468
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,520
is from 19 or 1857. 
It's that's always been the go 

469
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,280
to joke about Mormons was about 
Brigham Young and his 40 wives, 

470
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,760
right? 
55. 55 Sorry I guess I'm just 

471
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,680
I'm not considering the children
that he married so I'm like 

472
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,960
adding those up and those equal 
1 together or something I don't 

473
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,920
know. 
Yeah, it's a lot. 

474
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,640
This is another version of Uncle
Sam and this one says Mormon 

475
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,160
vermin nest, which man, if if 
you were to apply this to other 

476
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,600
religions, people would be in an
uproar. 

477
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,520
But it it is kind of wild that 
this was, I guess, one of the 

478
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,200
main political talking points of
this time. 

479
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,680
And it's literally just a a nest
of snakes that are Slytherin 

480
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,200
into the the United States 
government. 

481
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960
I think they had it right. 
On stilts here. 

482
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,000
I think they had that one right.
For sure, for sure the Mormon 

483
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,520
vermin. 
Yeah, I think there's something 

484
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,320
up with that one for sure. 
They definitely infiltrated 

485
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,600
government. 
Very snaky like. 

486
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,840
And this is a supposed to be the
Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, I 

487
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,640
guess. 
And it says the only sure way an

488
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,680
armed Uncle Sam approaches the 
Tabernacle. 

489
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,520
I mean, this is a call to 
violence if I've ever seen one 

490
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,720
called. 
The only sure way is like, we 

491
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,240
got to March into the nest and 
dot dot dot. 

492
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,840
And I guess you just put the the
last part together on your own. 

493
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Got to make sure you wear 
stilts. 

494
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,040
Well, actually, I think those 
are bayonets on his rifles. 

495
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,480
He's like using the bayonets as 
stilts, which is kind of a kind 

496
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,000
of a badass image, to be honest.
That's a good one. 

497
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Yeah, too bad they didn't stick 
by that one. 

498
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Definitely infiltrated. 
Oh, are they not gonna? 

499
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,920
Oh, here we go. 
This one is called female 

500
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,160
suffrage. 
Wouldn't it put just a little 

501
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,560
bit too much power in the hands 
of Brigham Young and his tribe? 

502
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,920
So again, it's just another joke
about Brigham Young. 

503
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,560
Like, yeah, we, we need women's 
suffrage because then I get 55 

504
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,440
more votes. 
Well, then they also get like a 

505
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,640
bunch of money if you can send 
them to work. 

506
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,360
That's what they do now is like 
some women stay home and take 

507
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,320
care of the kids and a lot of 
them go to work so. 

508
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Missing his beard and in this 
depiction. 

509
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,680
Yeah, it doesn't. 
Have that right away. 

510
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,800
This one was called the Apostle 
is going some, I'm not really 

511
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,080
sure if that's an incomplete 
statement or what. 

512
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,920
And then it says Journals of 
Discourse, Volume 10 journals. 

513
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,240
And this guy's like running away
from it. 

514
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000
And then then this guy's got 
like a little tomahawk hatchet. 

515
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,840
My guess is Mormon testimony 
that might have to do with the 

516
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,080
war with the Native Americans 
and the Fan Baker Fancher party 

517
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,120
that we talked about. 
Not war, but the attack. 

518
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,360
So anything. 
Moot whoever reads. 

519
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,640
Moot. 
Apostle the Mormon church 

520
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,880
fleeing the two volumes of the 
journals of Discourses, I guess 

521
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,600
trying to to separate himself 
from some things that were said 

522
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,640
in these. 
Any, any time they say something

523
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440
bad that they want to change 
later, they put it in the 

524
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Journal of Discourses and go, 
there was no collab. 

525
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,360
What are you talking about? 
So that's where it all goes. 

526
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,120
That's where the fun stuff goes.
Yeah, so. 

527
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,040
So when they take something out 
of the Book of Mormon, it goes 

528
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,120
into the Journal of Discourses 
for safekeeping or what? 

529
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,000
It's more about things that have
probably been said in like 

530
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,440
speeches or conference or 
whatever, but they just, yeah, 

531
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,440
they put it there and say, JK, 
he wasn't a prophet right then. 

532
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,200
He he was not in his profiting. 
I think he was a little off. 

533
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,480
So take that out. 
And that doesn't matter. 

534
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,280
Like when Brigham Young said if 
you love your neighbor, love 

535
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,120
your neighbor enough to kill him
because you know some things you

536
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,400
can't atone for on your own. 
So you should, you know, if he 

537
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,440
needs to have his neck slit, go 
slit it for him. 

538
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,400
That's loving your neighbor. 
So that kind of stuff goes in 

539
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,480
there because that's like very 
inconvenient and then. 

540
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Christians have the Apocrypha 
which is sort of the same thing 

541
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,360
where everyone got together and 
they decided this part doesn't 

542
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,880
fit so don't take this as Canon.
But also, they only did that 

543
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,600
once. 
And so this keeps happening. 

544
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,720
There's tons of journal 
discourses. 

545
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,160
It happens to this day, so. 
Again, this to me this is a 

546
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,000
selling point of Mormonism 
because it's able to adapt and 

547
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,120
keep up with times. 
Like how do you create a 

548
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
religion? 
Imagine you created a religion 

549
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,640
and you spent all the time 
putting it together. 

550
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Or a cult right before AI comes 
out and you never even consider 

551
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,080
the implications and now you're 
stuck trying to reverse engineer

552
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,240
and like explain that, oh, no, 
technically this thing that we 

553
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880
said in this chapter that was 
about AI, But if you're Mormons,

554
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,640
you can constantly kind of 
rewrite, you know, new ideas and

555
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,040
new interpretations. 
And they definitely. 

556
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,880
Do there are 26 volumes and 
these are thick books of Journal

557
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,800
of Discourses. 
These are a collection of 

558
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,600
sermons and public addresses by 
early leaders of the church. 

559
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Primarily the Journal of 
Discourses includes over 1400 

560
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,360
sermons delivered by over 55 
speakers. 

561
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,920
So all of that is like no more 
of that. 

562
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,840
We can't be doing any of that 
weird shit anymore. 

563
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:28,920
No more collab for you SO. 
The, I've heard that the Talmud 

564
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,360
described the very similar way 
in Judaism, where some people 

565
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,360
will confuse the Talmud with the
Torah and think like, oh, if 

566
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,720
it's written in Talmud, this is 
what? 

567
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,600
And the Talmud has also been 
described as kind of this 

568
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,360
archive of discussions and zany 
ideas that maybe at one point 

569
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,120
we're mainstream, but then they 
get shelved into this other 

570
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,000
Discourses sort of book. 
So which would make sense that 

571
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,080
Mormonism would just keep 
borrowing from the same source 

572
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,360
that it's been borrowing from, 
right? 

573
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Well, they like to change it all
though. 

574
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,200
I mean, it's kind of blasphemy 
from like the beginnings, like 

575
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,600
the FLDS would never do that. 
So I don't know. 

576
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,440
I'm mixes on that because I'm 
like, if it's really this 

577
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,880
important and you really think 
that we should stick by all 

578
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880
these things that your prophet 
said and your prophet got the 

579
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,520
living word of God, then why 
would you change it? 

580
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,600
I don't know, I feel like we 
could have an interesting 

581
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,320
conversation on this 'cause I 
'cause I can see it maybe 

582
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280
through the lens of like a like 
fashion coming in and out, 

583
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,480
right? 
Like no bottoms are are in, but 

584
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080
they're only going to be in for 
a decade. 

585
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200
And maybe you're pushing it if 
you're talking 2 decades, but 

586
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880
they're going to come back in 
the style just like every other 

587
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,160
thing is eventually going to 
come back in style. 

588
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680
And if you understand that 
principle, you could be at the 

589
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,800
height of the Mormon church and 
realize, oh, polygamy's going 

590
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600
out of style. 
We're going to go ahead and put 

591
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680
that one on the back burner. 
Magic hat, you're out. 

592
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Urim and Thummim, you're back 
in. 

593
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,240
You know what I mean? 
Like think. 

594
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Both. 
Of these like there has to be in

595
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,720
the in the coming decades, if 
not century, but that Mormonism 

596
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,640
will have to re embrace it's 
like new age philosophy and seer

597
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,640
stones and. 
But they that's, that's all of 

598
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,040
the stuff that's in there. 
So I don't know that they ever 

599
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,640
go backward when they when they 
put it in there, it's kind of 

600
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
dead. 
And so that's kind of. 

601
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Sad the hat came back. 
Yeah, the hat came back. 

602
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,160
I don't know. 
In your lifetime, you you you 

603
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,720
personally start going from the 
hat's not real. 

604
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,560
That's just slander made-up to 
make fun of us. 

605
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Don't. 
Look at that. 

606
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,320
The hat's always been here. 
Look, it's right here on my 

607
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,680
head. 
JK yeah, I know, I feel. 

608
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,800
That that's like a very real 
possibility they bring and I 

609
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,200
guess appropriate of the the 
original topic here, which is 

610
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,160
the, the beards, the Mormon 
beards. 

611
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,640
Because the idea is that still 
right now in 2025, I guess 

612
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,920
you're still directed away from 
having facial hair. 

613
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,760
If you're a missionary, you're 
supposed to be clean. 

614
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840
And has this changed? 
Not just the missionary. 

615
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,760
So people need to know if you 
attend BYU, you may not have 

616
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,480
anything but a clean shaven 
face. 

617
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,600
If you are a missionary, if you 
hold a church position like a 

618
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,760
Bishop or a stake president or 
any of that stuff. 

619
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,440
Even the affiliates visiting 
BYU, like if you're just going 

620
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,560
over there to visit, like as a 
visiting teacher, they encourage

621
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,480
it to, to have a clean shaven 
face. 

622
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,680
Visiting faculty, cooperative 
professors, all all of them, 

623
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,200
they like seriously say no 
temple workers can't. 

624
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Any of these higher up positions
are a no. 

625
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:59,520
And this ended after so 1951. 
George Albert Smith was the last

626
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280
to have any facial hair. 
He didn't have a big beard. 

627
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,040
He just had like a little goatee
and after World War One, This is

628
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,679
why they say it changed. 
The invention of the safety 

629
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,480
razor was out and they saw more 
clean shaven soldiers. 

630
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,520
So this became normal. 
And the Mormons are like, we 

631
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,000
should be soldiers too because 
we're in the FBI. 

632
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,760
Oh wait, no, the FBI wasn't 
there yet. 

633
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,360
But we want to be part of the 
government, so we should shave 

634
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,400
our faces. 
And so they started doing it and

635
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,000
implementing it for others. 
So. 

636
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,239
There was an FBN before the FBI 
and before the FBN there was the

637
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,360
Pinkertons I guess. 
So it kind of like goes on. 

638
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,880
The Pinkertons were around when 
when Mormonism was still in its 

639
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,679
beard face. 
There you go. 

640
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,080
So they were like OK, let's just
get rid of all that. 

641
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,760
And not just the beard but long 
hair you had to have, you know 

642
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,960
it, it can't be past your 
collar. 

643
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,720
My my ex-husband was quite a 
little cowboy and he had a Fu 

644
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:04,800
Manchu and a mullet and so it 
was a whole situation. 

645
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,040
Well, let me ask you on this 
lineup we've got now. 

646
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,640
Ignore the names. 
I know you. 

647
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,360
You won't be able to ignore the 
names. 

648
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,040
If you ignore the names, which 
one are you drawn to the most? 

649
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,360
Drawn to as in which way like my
grandpa and he's safe or. 

650
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,800
Your your husband just got, you 
know, black blacklisted from 

651
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,720
Mormonism and they're like, all 
right, we're reassigning all the

652
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,320
wives. 
Which one of these were your 

653
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,280
like? 
I hope it's with this 10. 

654
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,280
My gosh, they're all there's 
only one right answer. 

655
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,040
I'll just let you know this is 
not freaking open. 

656
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,440
This is a very much that has a 
right answer to it. 

657
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,320
I mean Joseph Smith the only. 1 
I mean, look, you've got JFK 

658
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,760
here and then every other 
president, right? 

659
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,160
And then we this is the guy that
that had the last one. 

660
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,800
This is last Joseph F Smith. 
George A Smith, yes, and he's 

661
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,440
also the first one to be in 
secret societies. 

662
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,280
He's also the first one to be 
very affiliated with the Rotary 

663
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,040
Club, but we can't prove. 
And so he also ended up on Time 

664
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,360
magazine. 
And many think that this was 

665
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,240
kind of a nod, like, I'm playing
ball, y'all. 

666
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,080
And so, yeah, very interesting. 
Do you know do these Smiths all 

667
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,240
claim to to be lineage of the 
original Joseph Smith? 

668
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,440
That is his. 
This is his relative. 

669
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,680
So Joseph F Smith in 19 O One, 
and then George Albert Smith, 

670
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,920
and then we've got a Joseph 
Fielding Smith. 

671
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Yep. 
They all they all claim lineage 

672
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,440
too. 
And is that real lineage or is 

673
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,920
it just claimed lineage? 
No, no, they have, you know how 

674
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
Mormons are with their 
genealogy. 

675
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,520
I mean, it's definitely real do.
You think we'll ever have a 

676
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,560
young like head of the Mormon 
church? 

677
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,720
Or is Joseph Smith the first and
last I mean? 

678
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,360
I don't know. 
It's always old guys now, right?

679
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,160
It's like, OK, you've played 
ball for long enough and you now

680
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,880
live at the Mount Olympus of the
gods and your family's all 

681
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,920
perfect and all their lineage. 
So yeah, put you up there like 

682
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,000
it. 
It's not like some guy off the 

683
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,360
street just is this great Mormon
guy and he's going to get it. 

684
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,000
No, no, no. 
This is all handed down through 

685
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,920
genealogies and. 
And they know who's who of what.

686
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,240
It's very. 
This is one of the weirdest 

687
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,880
parts of Mormonism is when you 
see look the first guy was like 

688
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,800
this young clean shaven 
mysticist that was talking to 

689
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,440
angels and deciphering 
hieroglyphics and then as soon 

690
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,720
as he went away everyone else 
just caught an old fuddy Duddy 

691
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
that was making up rules that 
they didn't follow for everyone 

692
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,880
else. 
Out of all of these, Joseph 

693
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,440
Smith seemed like the visionary.
I mean, Brigham Young, even 

694
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,520
though he was a complete jerk, 
came from a very magical family 

695
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,080
as well. 
If we're talking about magic, 

696
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,000
they were a lot darker magic. 
Yeah, he did have that, but he 

697
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,520
also his family and his name 
alone in that time frame. 

698
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,320
So there's a lot that's going on
with him and, and like 

699
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:21,120
accusations of magic, not the 
good kind, not just folky magic.

700
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,680
There's been some things said, 
but they also probably put that 

701
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,480
in the Journal of Discourses. 
Who knows? 

702
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,680
I will say this, oh, I forgot to
tell you this about BYU. 

703
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:36,080
If you have a actual problem, 
like I'm guessing the one that 

704
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:42,760
causes tons of outbreaks or 
whatever, yeah, yeah, yeah, you 

705
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,560
can get. 
You have to go through the whole

706
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,320
deal though and get the doctor's
note and everything, so. 

707
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,320
This is exactly how the US 
military still operates and how 

708
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Disney operates. 
If you are a cast member at 

709
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,440
Disney that could ever be seen 
in the park, you follow the 

710
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,240
exact same rules. 
It is clean facial hair. 

711
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Sideburns have to end halfway 
down the the ear, like every 

712
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,920
single one beat for beat is, you
know, Mormons, military, Disney,

713
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,840
All three of those are the same.
And where does that come from? 

714
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,040
The military, as I understand 
it, it's more of a hygiene thing

715
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,080
than anything else. 
And it makes it so that, hey, 

716
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,720
someone can't grab you by the 
hair, by the beard, that lice 

717
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,160
can start growing in your hair, 
beard and spread to other 

718
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,720
people. 
And that also so if you have 

719
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,480
some nasty gash or some weird 
gangrene thing going on, you 

720
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,280
can't hide it under your beard 
or your hair. 

721
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,080
So like there's all these these 
hygienic reasons and why it 

722
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,360
makes you more battle ready to 
just have short hair. 

723
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,240
That makes plenty of sense to 
me. 

724
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,680
And, and, and you're honestly 
not supposed to or even allowed 

725
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040
to have a bald head. 
You have to have some kind of 

726
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,840
hair on it. 
Again, it's more practical, it's

727
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,880
more strategic. 
But when it comes to Mormons and

728
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,600
Disney, the reason that Disney 
does it is because they want to 

729
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,040
be timeless. 
They want it so that if your 

730
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,640
grandparents went to Disney in 
the 1960s or 70s. 

731
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,320
And then they bring their 
grandkid in the the twenty 20s 

732
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,320
that if you look at a picture, 
the background of Main Street 

733
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,680
USA, all the people look the 
same. 

734
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,120
It looks timeless and the only 
thing changing is you because 

735
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,920
you don't live in the magic. 
Disney is the magic. 

736
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,440
So that makes me think in the 
back of my head like because the

737
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,560
Disney part makes sense. 
Modern day Mormons, I wouldn't 

738
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,640
consider them like soldiers and 
warriors. 

739
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,720
In fact, the most soldier slash 
warrior Mormons ever got was 

740
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,600
probably in the early 19th 
century when they all had 

741
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,040
beards. 
So the only other thing that 

742
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,760
makes sense is it's a magical 
reason. 

743
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,920
They want to feel like they're 
timeless somehow. 

744
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,960
And I mean, if you told me that 
any of these guys from 1951 

745
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,360
through 2008, it was just a 
picture of some old guy in the 

746
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,360
1950s, I would say, yeah, I can 
see. 

747
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Right. 
Like, even if people would be 

748
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,400
black glasses 1994, like, that 
guy is still living in the 

749
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,160
1950s. 
So maybe there's a part of 

750
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,800
Mormonism that is also trying to
be timeless and we just don't 

751
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,600
know the secret reason behind 
it. 

752
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,480
Well, they were good buddies 
with a lot of the people you're 

753
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,200
mentioning, so, you know, I 
mean. 

754
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Walt did Was Did Walt Disney 
have Mormon ties? 

755
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,720
Disney had some Mormon ties, 
yes, Yep. 

756
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,600
So and to be, I know that he was
said to be very fond of them. 

757
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Then we've got the Wernher von 
Braun business, like it's all 

758
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,400
very interesting. 
But then we know the affiliation

759
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,160
of Disney with the Masons. 
I mean, he wasn't one per SE, 

760
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,560
that they said. 
Which is kind of, it's very 

761
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:58,440
similar because I, I guess I had
a discussion with Ike Baker a 

762
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,800
few months ago and he is deep 
into a cult. 

763
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Like he's probably one of the 
the official words that I would 

764
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,000
consider like it's hard to be 
official on occultism, but the 

765
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,880
dude has been through. 
Yeah, he he is, Yeah. 

766
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,240
He's like a, a proud Martinist. 
And I told you that. 

767
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,840
And you're like, but I. 
I know I need to talk to him, 

768
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,040
that would be great. 
I would love, I would love for 

769
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,240
you guys to have a discussion. 
It would be a really good one. 

770
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,840
I think because, because it 
surprised me that he didn't shy 

771
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,920
away from any questions. 
And he was of kind of a, a 

772
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,160
refreshing opinion that Masons 
don't really have secrets the 

773
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,240
same way that most people 
consider it. 

774
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,200
And that one, and I'm going to 
paraphrase him and butcher it a 

775
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,760
little bit, but one of the 
things that really made an 

776
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,920
impression on me was that 
joining the Masons because 

777
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,520
you're into occultism, it would 
be like going to Walt Disney 

778
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,960
World just because you like 
roller coasters or something 

779
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,840
like that. 
Like there's better places that 

780
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,920
you can go if roller coasters 
are your thing. 

781
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,760
Disney is in its own thing that 
happens to have roller coasters 

782
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,560
in it. 
And that was kind of the way, 

783
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,320
that's my own analogy. 
But the way he was describing 

784
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,200
Masonry was that, yeah, people 
join Masonry. 

785
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,800
But if if you wanted to join 
Masonry didn't learn about like 

786
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,400
magic and alchemy and like all 
this stuff, there's like 20 

787
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,800
other groups that you could go 
into that's not Masonry that 

788
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,920
would still get that done. 
So I kind of feel that like a 

789
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,520
little bit like that about 
Mormonism in some ways. 

790
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,720
Like there, although you're kind
of born into Mormonism more than

791
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,520
anything else. 
But the the link being the Walt 

792
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Disney being in De Molay, if you
go into De Mole and you pick up 

793
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,360
on the occult aspects of it and 
you know how to apply those, you

794
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,200
never have to join the Masons. 
It's the, it's the kind of the 

795
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,000
same reason that Masons will 
make someone like an honorary 

796
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Mason or an honorary 33rd degree
or something that didn't 

797
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,840
actually go through the whole 
process because they'll just be 

798
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,680
like, oh, you already know 
everything that we have to 

799
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,200
offer. 
So here, here's a fast track to 

800
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,880
go to the front of the line. 
That's what happened to Joseph. 

801
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,760
Yeah. 
Did you know that he I know 

802
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200
there's. 
Actually, a little bit of debate

803
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,440
about this depending on what 
your view on Mormonism is. 

804
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,000
So in some of the examples, 
Joseph Smith was such an an 

805
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,160
adept in Freemasonry that he 
understood enough of it that 

806
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
they were just like to the front
of the line, here you go, here's

807
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,960
your apron, you know, we'll sign
a little certificate. 

808
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,760
Other people that I've read that
are critical of Mormons, but our

809
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,400
pro Mason say that he kind of 
set up his own fake lodge or 

810
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,640
that like it was a midnight 
lodge that got set up just to 

811
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,920
pass him. 
And it wasn't necessarily like a

812
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,320
a lodge and well, you know, 
reputation and that it hadn't 

813
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,920
been established long. 
It was. 

814
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,960
The Canadigua, it was the 
Canadigua Lodge. 

815
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,440
I think it had been around for 
quite a while, at least, his 

816
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,800
paperwork says. 
And even the church now has 

817
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,480
changed their stance on it. 
They used to be like, was not a 

818
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Mason. 
And now they're like, JK, he was

819
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,840
a Mason. 
Really. 

820
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,160
Yeah. 
So if you go to LDS dot org, 

821
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,240
whatever and look up are Mormons
Masons, they'll be like, well, 

822
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,880
there has been a lot of Mormons 
that are Masons and they talk 

823
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,760
about Joseph and Hyrum and I'm 
like, oh, well, all right, I 

824
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,480
guess it's mainstream now. 
That's weird. 

825
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,840
And they also took away the rule
that you couldn't be in secret 

826
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,720
societies anymore. 
And that was a big deal back in 

827
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,960
the day. 
And so even though they broke 

828
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,920
the law always because like this
prophet right here, Spencer W 

829
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,840
Kimball was actually noted 
talking about Rotary Club on 

830
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,760
something and he wasn't supposed
to be in it. 

831
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,960
But, and you know, whatever they
they get away with whatever they

832
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,320
want. 
But what I'm saying is, and I 

833
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,360
think Hinckley as well, but 
they're all, I mean, half of 

834
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,360
them are skull and bones. 
So they like recognizes, like 

835
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Long story short is I do know 
they are open about it now. 

836
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,680
They give his lodge number. 
They give like all the details 

837
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,760
of it. 
They're they're just like, Oh, 

838
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,280
you want to know? 
Here it is. 

839
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,640
And I was like, whoa, this is 
super changed but OK. 

840
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,920
Would it be controversial to say
that there would be no Mormonism

841
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,760
without Masonry? 
Oh, you could not. 

842
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,480
No, no, it's mostly, I mean, 
come on, you know, it's based on

843
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,000
it for sure. 
Like I don't think it's 100% 

844
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,320
because Joseph is. 
I mean, we've talked about this.

845
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Joseph definitely was practicing
salmonic magic and that is not 

846
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,600
something all Masons do. 
That is pretty specific to 

847
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,040
certain sects of masonry. 
That's. 

848
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,080
Debatable. 
That's debatable. 

849
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,280
I mean. 
Because the the the very 

850
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,120
initiation rituals in Masonry 
itself, the very way the lodge 

851
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,120
is even designed could be 
interpreted as as Solomonic 

852
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,160
magic. 
I mean, King saw the the 

853
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,760
fascination with Solomon's 
temple and how Solomon built the

854
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,000
temple using magic, you know, 
demons from from the sea to 

855
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,200
build this temple, I mean. 
But you're not trying. 

856
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,200
To rebuild Solomon's temple. 
You're not invoking something 

857
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,080
twice a year, either on the fall
equinox or the spring equinox 

858
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,120
or. 
I mean, I mean the, the Masons 

859
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,600
do have two different Saint 
John's days. 

860
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,720
So I I don't know, I feel like 
again in do. 

861
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,920
You have an HGA is is that what 
we're talking about? 

862
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,480
Well, I'm gonna get them. 
I think you get the in the 

863
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,600
mentality of like what Ike Baker
had brought up, where you could 

864
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600
join the Masons and go to both 
of the Saint John's Day 

865
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,840
celebrations, you know, 2 times 
of the year and never put two 

866
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,600
and two together. 
You can go through lodge 

867
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,560
proceedings for 40 years, 50 
years and never realize, hey, 

868
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
wait a minute, are we just doing
Solomonic magic right? 

869
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,680
Now are we doing magical stuff? 
Like you could be just the exact

870
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520
way that you could be in the 
Mormon church for your entire 

871
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,080
life and not realize, hey, do I 
have a square encompass on me or

872
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,800
do I have symbols that represent
blood oaths that that are also 

873
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,840
in Freemasonry pressed against 
my skin at this very moment. 

874
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,920
A lot of people would never even
have that thought go across 

875
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,400
their head. 
But that's I mean that is what 

876
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,000
it is, right? 
Is there any other explanation 

877
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,400
for where those symbols come 
from? 

878
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,240
Well, and Joseph was very 
purposeful and for people 

879
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,480
commenting like, yes, there are 
things that we do their magic 

880
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,360
like spelling and and different 
things all the time, right? 

881
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,280
Like all of this stuff is is 
definitely true. 

882
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,480
But we know that with the 
parchments that are available. 

883
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,360
And if you guys haven't seen my 
episode 172 on Spotify, check it

884
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,400
out. 
This talks about all of this 

885
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,720
stuff and I'm, I'm telling you 
guys like 100% he was invoking 

886
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
spirits and he this wasn't an 
accident. 

887
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:53,200
He was specifically invoking 
specific spirits with parchments

888
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,120
and magic. 
And and that's way more than 

889
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,040
just, you know, porch Mason 
stuff in my opinion. 

890
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,720
And do I think they still do it 
at a high level? 

891
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,360
You bet your ass I do. 
Hi, Jeremy. 

892
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,360
Porch Mason, how dare you? 
I did because, you know, there's

893
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,640
porch Mormons too. 
I just don't know what to call 

894
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,240
them. 
I call them Goyim half the time 

895
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:14,480
but. 
I just. 

896
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,040
I, I feel like it's bad that you
know, my main problem and people

897
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,320
always say, oh, you're always 
bashing the Mormons. 

898
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,600
And I'm like, look, I'm not I 
love the Mormon people and 

899
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,280
especially they're mostly my 
family and I was one forever 

900
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,280
born into it, my whole heritage,
everything. 

901
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,360
But the point is, is when you 
know that they're using you for 

902
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,000
something, I just feel like 
that's not OK without consent. 

903
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,440
If they want to be used all day 
long and they're like, guess 

904
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,720
what, We're this cool Harry 
Potter school. 

905
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,000
We do, you know, the this all 
this magical stuff and we're 

906
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,880
going to totally suck. 
You drive all of your magical 

907
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,680
properties for our own health 
and benefit and somebody's like,

908
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,920
sign me up. 
Fucking do it then. 

909
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,880
Like that's cool. 
But like, don't lie to people 

910
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,400
and tell them about going to 
heaven. 

911
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,200
That's just creepy. 
And I'll stand up for you here 

912
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,160
because I don't think you're 
bashing, and I think the the 

913
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,320
proof is in the pudding here 
that you make me want to become 

914
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,000
more of a Mormon than anyone 
else. 

915
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,480
Has failed. 
I realized that's not what 

916
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,040
you're trying to do. 
But the more you talk about the 

917
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,560
first time I heard you like 
Joseph Smith was just doing 

918
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,080
magic and he had these talismans
and they were, you know, 

919
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,760
summoning angels to tell where 
treasure is. 

920
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,720
Like I wanted to say sign me up 
if I was, if I was seven years. 

921
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,800
Old you're like, was Asmodeus 
there 'cause I want to know. 

922
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,960
I'm just, I'm like, I'm just 
trying to like what Imagine if I

923
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,240
had, you know, like a, a, a 
child's mind and eyes. 

924
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,600
And I'm just learning about the 
world for the first time. 

925
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,280
And I've gone to Catholic Mass, 
you know, for a few years and 

926
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,360
it's like you're not allowed to 
talk. 

927
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,960
You're not allowed us to laugh 
or have fun. 

928
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,720
You're going to sit, you're 
going to kneel, you're going to 

929
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,480
stand, you're going to walk. 
When we tell you do you might 

930
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,880
get, you know, in trouble if you
fidget too much. 

931
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,760
And then you're like, and here's
this other religion where we do 

932
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,960
magic spells and look for 
treasure like. 

933
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:13,440
And make parchments and. 
Then we we pretend that we can 

934
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,480
understand hieroglyphics and 
speak in Egyptian and stuff. 

935
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,000
I don't know, I feel like it 
will be such an easy sell for 

936
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,160
me. 
I do too. 

937
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,480
I don't understand why they hide
it so badly other than, you 

938
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,800
know, the witch thing. 
And that's where it all started.

939
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,040
To go wrong. 
Well, so great. 

940
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,320
I thought I told you this. 
Maybe I didn't because we 

941
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,000
haven't talked about serious. 
We've been silly a little bit. 

942
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,360
And it's fun because we get to 
talk about weird stuff like 

943
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,000
beards. 
But I've been diving deep into 

944
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,880
the like all of this past 
history of Joseph Smith and his 

945
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,760
great grandpa, Captain Samuel 
Smith, member Society of the 

946
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Cincinnati. 
I'm also organizer of the Boston

947
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,680
Tea Party. 
And I'm like, wait a minute, 

948
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,840
Mormons are super patriotic. 
Why are they hiding this guy? 

949
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,080
Right? 
I was so confused. 

950
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,520
So I did a deep dive on him 
because I was thinking, this 

951
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,280
doesn't make sense, you know, 
with what I know about 

952
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,760
patriotism. 
And so Captain Samuel Smith, he 

953
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,400
was this, you know, great 
patriot, whatever Boston. 

954
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Tea Party talking about is this?
Is this the guy it says 

955
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:21,880
revolutionary? 
Date. 

956
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,800
Patriot, 1752 to 18. 
Let me find his date. 

957
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,640
So the point is, is that I 
thought, oh, this is such a 

958
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,080
great, you know, This is why 
would they hide this guy? 

959
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,120
I'm going to find it right now. 
And then I found out he hung 

960
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,640
some witches and I was like, oh 
shit. 

961
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,400
That's probably why they don't 
want to talk about it. 

962
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,000
Right. 
So Captain Samuel Smith, 1757, I

963
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,000
think is when he was elected as 
a selectman. 

964
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,640
He was a selectman for actually,
they're from Salem. 

965
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,160
Like this is like right near 
Salem, Topsfield, Massachusetts.

966
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,400
And people will say that's not 
his real grandpa. 

967
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,760
Well, I hate to tell people, 
I've looked at all the way 

968
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,120
through and his dad that was 
born from this guy was born in 

969
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,000
the exact same place. 
Like, it's pretty hard to to say

970
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,400
it wasn't it. 
It was. 

971
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:14,080
So Samuel Smith, the second 
served 20 years in the 

972
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,400
Massachusetts Colony militia, 27
years in town leadership 

973
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,520
positions. 
They say these people are like 

974
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,160
nobody and farmers. 
He was the chairman of the 

975
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:28,280
Boston Tea Party and then all 
this great stuff, but then all 

976
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,480
of a sudden got involved in the 
Inquisition and hung some 

977
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,760
ladies. 
So I think that's probably where

978
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,760
things went wrong. 
And why would they want to pull 

979
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,280
away from that? 
Well, if your dude's doing magic

980
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,040
and it looks kind of witch 
crafty, I can see why they did 

981
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,240
that now. 
So. 

982
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Yeah, here we go. 
That's him that I know that 

983
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,200
picture. 
Topsfield Selectman was a 

984
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,840
Selectman Legislative 
representative, Committee 

985
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,440
correspondent member. 
No beard FYI. 

986
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,440
People still write about Samuel 
Smith because one of his great 

987
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,880
grandsons, Joseph Smith, founded
the Mormon church. 

988
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,760
And he had a OK like 
presentation there until he hung

989
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,080
some ladies. 
And the only way I found him was

990
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,360
going up through the Uncle 
Jesse's line cuz I was like 

991
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,200
what? 
Why can't I find the grandpa of 

992
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,520
these people like the great 
grandpa? 

993
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,320
And finally I did. 
But they obfuscate this because 

994
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,160
he was involved in the 
Inquisition. 

995
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,800
And then it makes you go 
methinks 1 protests too much, 

996
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,400
right? 
And then you start putting two 

997
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,880
and two together with the family
parchments and this Solomonic, 

998
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,440
you know, magic. 
And maybe he was the Martinist, 

999
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,600
you know, I don't know. 
But I know he he was the Society

1000
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,880
of Cincinnati member. 
I will tell you that I know. 

1001
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,360
This particular article is 
interesting because this this 

1002
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,000
blog, I guess, by JL Bell, who's
a Massachusetts writer who 

1003
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,520
specializes in the American 
Revolution. 

1004
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,920
He makes it sound like in 
typical Mormon fashion, they 

1005
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,400
kind of stole someone else's 
story and dressed it up a little

1006
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:09,200
bit because here in the IT says 
1773. 

1007
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:13,320
And then there's a page at 
josephsmithsenior.com and it 

1008
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:18,080
says Samuel Smith was the 
ringleader of the Boston Tea 

1009
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,120
Party. 
So that was the height of the 

1010
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,960
myth. 
But he didn't. 

1011
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,280
Go right. 
No, it says. 

1012
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,480
It says under this, it says 
right here that the record shows

1013
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,760
that in 1773, Smith and his 
fellow selectmen called the town

1014
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,160
meeting. 
However, that town meeting did 

1015
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,640
not happen until the 27th of 
December, a week after the tea 

1016
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,920
had been destroyed in Boston. 
So there's no way that he could 

1017
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,240
have been the ringleader for 
the. 

1018
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,440
Boston Tea Party. 
That just means they didn't do 

1019
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,880
it. 
Like in the whole, like at, at 

1020
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,840
this meeting, I mean, I'm sure 
they were all in on it. 

1021
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,960
You know, I don't know. 
I don't know how important he 

1022
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,000
was. 
But I will say this. 

1023
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,720
Don't you think this is funny? 
What did they do at the Boston 

1024
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:04,480
Tea Party? 
They dressed up as what? 

1025
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,960
What did they dress up as? 
Native Americans? 

1026
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,800
And then they went and dumped it
in the harbor. 

1027
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,120
OK, now we have an exact replay 
of this with Primeval and that 

1028
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,400
really happened. 
The Meadow Mountain match? 

1029
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,160
OK, name three times that 
Mormons dressed up like Indians 

1030
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,240
and massacred. 
Just saying. 

1031
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,800
I'm just saying. 
It only happened quite that 

1032
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,680
mean. 
Come on. 

1033
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,760
And then he and then he hung 
some witches. 

1034
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,760
So I and, you know, Long story 
short, they like to say these 

1035
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,560
people are uneducated. 
What not. 

1036
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,960
They've got cousins running 
Dartmouth. 

1037
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,360
They've got cousins that this is
my favorite one, the cousin that

1038
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,200
saved his leg, Doctor Nathaniel 
Smith. 

1039
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,720
OK, his mother writes about the 
doctor Nathan and doesn't put 

1040
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,360
his last name. 
She might have forgotten it even

1041
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,160
though it's her own name. 
Oh weird. 

1042
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,560
OK, whatever. 
And she saw him like 27 times is

1043
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,080
what's documented. 
And here's the funnier part in 

1044
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,760
case people say it. 
Could be a different one. 

1045
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,000
True. 
Could have been, but he marries 

1046
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,200
Joseph Smith's neighbor. 
So there's that. 

1047
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,800
Just saying. 
The lady that had the original 

1048
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,640
seer stone and where he stole 
the seer stone from that 

1049
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,600
property. 
Yeah, he marries her. 

1050
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,760
And so he sets up, you know, 
this medical school at Dartmouth

1051
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,840
and gets ran out of town for 
stealing dead bodies. 

1052
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,120
I thought you might like this. 
No beard, by the way. 

1053
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,800
No beard that I saw. 
And they run him out of town. 

1054
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,680
So he runs and runs to go to 
Yale, and he sets up Yale's 

1055
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,160
medical school. 
And that's where we start 

1056
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,280
getting into why were the 
Mormons at Yale and setting up 

1057
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Skull and Bones? 
Well, there was a few more 

1058
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,920
people than one or two there 
that were Mormon. 

1059
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,160
So yeah. 
And also experimenting on dead 

1060
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,400
bodies. 
It only has a recent taboo that 

1061
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,080
was like a very traditional. 
I mean, that's where Greek magic

1062
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,400
came from. 
A lot of that was necromancy. 

1063
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,200
But the funny part is this tied 
it all together. 

1064
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,760
Remember when I told you that I 
was like, why would they run 

1065
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,000
this in the newspaper that 
they're sleeping by their dead 

1066
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,320
son's grave? 
All makes sense now. 

1067
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,600
I'm like, oh, they didn't want 
his body to get stolen, Right, 

1068
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,400
right, right. 
They were like, hey bitches, 

1069
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,680
we're here. 
And remember I was wondering why

1070
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,800
they dug him up. 
Well, they dug him up to make 

1071
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,480
sure nobody dug him up. 
But I do think they they stole 

1072
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,160
his hands. 
I. 

1073
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,600
Do well, well, now, if if you 
were to ask someone, and I'm 

1074
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,200
just making this up as I go, but
if you were just ask a random 

1075
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,160
person, why would you have a 
gate or a guard at a cemetery? 

1076
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,560
The modern reason was like, oh, 
so you don't dig someone up and 

1077
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,320
take their jewelry or take any 
of like the the gold or anything

1078
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,320
that they were buried with. 
But the traditional reason that 

1079
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,480
you would have a watchman in the
cemetery was because people were

1080
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,360
digging up bodies and using the 
body parts for magical purposes.

1081
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,240
That that's the real original 
reason to even have a watchman 

1082
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,720
because it wasn't very typical 
to bury someone with gold and 

1083
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,080
jewelry for a mass amount of 
people that was on a normal 

1084
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,240
thing. 
It is kind of now. 

1085
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,320
So like grave robbing used to be
robbing the body, not things on 

1086
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,440
the body. 
Well, here's The funny thing 

1087
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,560
too. 
So don't forget that at that 

1088
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,560
time that all this is going 
down. 

1089
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,360
You know, they're treasure 
diggers, but they never find any

1090
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,960
treasure. 
And apparently that pays well to

1091
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:35,400
get the bodies. 
So it makes one wonder, just 

1092
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,640
makes me wonder that's. 
All. 

1093
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,200
Well, I guess if the body is 
your treasure, then you're just 

1094
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,320
not allowed to call it the 
treasure, but you're still 

1095
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,400
finding your treasure. 
And then they ran them out of 

1096
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,120
town. 
If you're smart and you actually

1097
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,960
do find treasure, you're not 
going to go and advertise it 

1098
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,040
because you probably think 
there's more. 

1099
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,240
Wherever you found yours, there 
might be another box somewhere. 

1100
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,600
So also somebody is saying, I 
thought it was a school college.

1101
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,440
The The college actually was 
considered a Native American 

1102
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,920
school. 
But the Native American school 

1103
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,640
wasn't for Native Americans. 
I did a deep dive on this, 

1104
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,800
'cause I'm a dork, but whatever.
I did a show on it. 

1105
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,240
It's not out yet. 
But they, they called it that 

1106
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,760
because these guys were actually
training to become clergy to the

1107
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,160
Native American. 
So it was like a preschool. 

1108
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,040
And Hiram Smith was actually 
almost done. 

1109
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,440
And the whole family lived on 
campus during this time, which 

1110
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,200
they don't talk about at all. 
And then guess what? 

1111
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,200
Book goes missing. 
Oh, you're going to love this 

1112
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,640
one. 
I forgot to tell you this. 

1113
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,640
So this his other cousin teaches
there and is a professor there. 

1114
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,040
He was a professor of languages 
and the rare books dealer in 

1115
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,240
town. 
He has this rare books like shop

1116
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,440
and he is totally involved in 
all these rare languages. 

1117
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,120
But the Scott A Chronicon goes 
missing when Joseph Smith 

1118
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,560
bounces out of town, and I found
that fascinating. 

1119
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Just FYI, what was the name of 
it the? 

1120
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,040
Scott A Chronicon, which is a 
magical book. 

1121
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,240
It's not the Necromicon. 
It's not. 

1122
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,320
That, yeah, no, I get that. 
That one's from a from a fiction

1123
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,280
book. 
Yeah, no, this is a real, like a

1124
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,160
magical book. 
But also funny enough, if you 

1125
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,680
look up Professor Johnny Smith's
information about what he's 

1126
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,120
teaching, he's the one that came
up with the Church of Christ 

1127
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,640
ideas. 
He's the one teaching the same 

1128
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:37,120
theology Joseph Smith takes for 
his own and goes forward with in

1129
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,800
the future. 
So, so, so interesting. 

1130
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,160
Yes. 
This is actually new to me, I'm 

1131
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,080
not sure if I've heard of this 
the Scottish Scott a chronic 

1132
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,320
home before. 
Yeah, So very interesting. 

1133
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Anyways, I thought that it was 
fascinating and it was super 

1134
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,320
worth a lot of money then. 
And basically, you know, they 

1135
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,440
talked about how this was 
something that was even worth 

1136
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,400
money then and should have been 
at Dartmouth because it should 

1137
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,480
have like been in their their 
library. 

1138
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,440
It was a big deal. 
And then it just went missing 

1139
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,200
and I thought it was pretty 
funny but whatever. 

1140
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,160
I will be having a Dartmouth 
episode coming out that will 

1141
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,600
explain this in in a more in 
depth. 

1142
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,320
This is actually wild. 
This the Wicked movie article 

1143
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,240
makes it sound like this is the 
where you get the original story

1144
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:35,360
of Robin Hood as well because it
mentions that the the 1283 entry

1145
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,560
for Robin Hood. 
But Bauer, I guess, Who wrote 

1146
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:45,440
this, placed Robin Hood in 1266.
So I don't know that if there's 

1147
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,880
a connection now between Little 
John and Robin Hood and the 

1148
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Mormon Church, I feel. 
Like these? 

1149
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,240
Episodes are just writing 
themselves. 

1150
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,160
You do know, you do know they 
definitely, you know, say 

1151
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:01,400
they're part, like I said, of 
the lineage and, and part of the

1152
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,360
divine right to rule. 
And they say they are related 

1153
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,240
to, you know, kings and Queens 
and everything and, and that 

1154
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,000
whole weird story about stash 
and the kid here, Marie 

1155
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,400
Antoinette's kid and all this 
stuff. 

1156
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,200
And all I can say is you guys, I
am definitely related. 

1157
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:24,600
Like right now my ancestry is 
all weird in general and I only 

1158
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,520
bring it up because of my 
pioneer roots because then it 

1159
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,240
matters for these old people I 
don't care about now. 

1160
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,200
Like it never, it was never Plus
for me it's all bad. 

1161
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,640
It's all bad. 
Like Merovingians and and bad 

1162
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,920
people and the Orleans family 
and Medici's. 

1163
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,000
Like, none of this is good, just
family curse after family curse,

1164
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,040
I'm sure. 
So what I'm saying is some of it

1165
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,080
had to have been somewhat right.
If my family relatives are these

1166
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,680
pioneer Mormons and I'm like my 
10th grade grandpa to this day 

1167
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,920
is right now the king of 
England. 

1168
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,760
Why? 
That's weird. 

1169
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,760
Like, that's just weird to me. 
And so I've been bringing this 

1170
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,920
up on and on again, because they
do talk about Jesus having three

1171
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,440
wives, and then they do and they
say Joseph Smith hailed from 

1172
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,880
that lineage. 
I did not hail from Joseph 

1173
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,000
Smith's lineage. 
I am a pioneer Mormon and 

1174
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,880
related to other people like 
Young's wife and and these other

1175
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,720
people but always through the 
wives so I think. 

1176
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,560
If you're a a Trinitarian 
Christian, Jesus is allowed to 

1177
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,600
have three wives 'cause there's 
three of him. 

1178
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Do you know you can't? 
Yeah, Well, you can't go to 

1179
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,440
heaven without three wives back 
in the day. 

1180
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,600
Just there's. 
There's also the three Marys in 

1181
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,280
in some interpretations of 
Christianity too. 

1182
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,080
Well I think 2 of the wives were
supposedly Mary's and one was a 

1183
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:52,040
Martha so that's what I remember
from I haven't deep dove this 

1184
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,120
whole thing with it's like the 
Priory of Scion and the what do 

1185
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,600
they call that name of? 
The Holy Blood Holy Grail. 

1186
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,840
That's that's. 
Yeah, but it it's different, 

1187
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,840
it's the real one, like the 
Templars talk. 

1188
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,120
Well, I don't know if it's real,
but the real name for it, it's 

1189
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,960
got like a French name. 
Do you remember what is the? 

1190
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,960
Priory of Scion. 
No, I'll find it, I'll find it. 

1191
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,080
I always keep talking 'cause I 
know where it's at, 'cause I was

1192
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,320
listening to something about it 
just barely all. 

1193
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,920
Right, I've got another a couple
interesting notes on this one. 

1194
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,760
So this one. 
Rose dus Rex. 

1195
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,520
Yeah. 
What is it? 

1196
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:37,840
The REXDEUS Rex Deus. 
Rose Rex Deus. 

1197
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,960
That's. 
Latin, though not French. 

1198
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,160
Well, whatever that is. 
Well, Renee, the mystery of 

1199
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:48,920
Renee Chateau, which is where 
they found like where allegedly 

1200
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,000
some of these bodies are buried 
or the bones or I think this 

1201
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,680
usually brings in one of the 
chapels too, that had maize and 

1202
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,120
corn on it, proving that there 
was travel across the world 

1203
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,640
earlier on. 
It's a fun. 

1204
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,480
I mean, there's a reason why we 
get a movie with Tom Hanks in 

1205
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,120
it. 
Yeah, it's weird, but at the 

1206
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,800
same time, and it's not to be 
cool or special because 

1207
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,960
honestly, if you're a Christian,
none of that is good. 

1208
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,760
Not a damn thing of that is 
good. 

1209
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,080
But I do think that there was 
some truth to some things with 

1210
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,280
this whole royal lineage hiding 
if if they're here. 

1211
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,880
I mean, clearly some of them 
made it here because I'm here. 

1212
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,520
So that's weird. 
You know, I, I don't know, I 

1213
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,040
don't know what the Mormons were
up to, but something so. 

1214
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,560
This was, I think this is from 
the the 19th century, but there 

1215
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:43,840
was this note about Mormon 
missionaries in in Liverpool and

1216
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,000
they were saying that I guess 2 
Mormons got into an argument 

1217
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,800
over this and one of them 
mentioned that facial hair added

1218
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,400
dignity. 
So that was Elder Lyman. 

1219
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,880
Elder Lyman had this approach. 
And then I guess Elder Grant or 

1220
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:04,760
President Grant said that he he 
was fearing right here, feigning

1221
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,960
fear that a young man's whiskers
might occasion a fire. 

1222
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,960
And I think that there's like a 
little bit of tongue in cheek in

1223
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,160
there, but they're basically 
saying like, we don't want 

1224
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,600
Mormon faces to catch on fire. 
So let's just keep everyone 

1225
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,840
fresh shaved. 
Even if it adds dignity that it 

1226
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,080
that has some downsides to it. 
So that was and that was in like

1227
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,440
a historical record between 
Mormons that are actually 

1228
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,040
struggling with whether or not 
they're allowed to have beards. 

1229
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,400
This is one of the conversations
that gets factored into this. 

1230
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:41,000
OK, so I found this is 1. 
Like I went on a rabbit hole and

1231
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,120
me and you were passing links 
back and forth because I was 

1232
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:48,240
trying to find a modern version 
of the guidelines of, OK, what 

1233
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,560
exactly are you allowed to have 
on your face? 

1234
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,560
Are you allowed to have a beard?
And Mormonism? 

1235
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,360
And there is. 
It used to be 

1236
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,920
missionary.ldlds.org. 
So not all Mormons, just 

1237
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,440
missionaries, but they are kind 
of the representatives. 

1238
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:09,040
And I had to dig into the, the 
Wayback Machine as far back as 

1239
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,440
2019 because this page no longer
exists. 

1240
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,359
And you mentioned that's because
they all have apps now. 

1241
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,399
So then I started going down a 
rabbit hole of like, well, what 

1242
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,560
are these apps called? 
And I don't, I didn't get to 

1243
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,920
look far enough into these. 
I feel like we could have an 

1244
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,000
entire show on just Mormon 
missionary apps or something and

1245
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,439
like rate and review them. 
But Preach My Gospel seems to be

1246
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:38,640
the number one Mormon app on any
of the markets. 518 reviews, 4.4

1247
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,279
stars, 50,000 downloads. 
And for example, it says that it

1248
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:48,000
helps you set goals, make plans,
and record progress of the 

1249
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,960
people they've served. 
Work closely with local unit 

1250
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,960
leaders and members. 
Find and contact people 

1251
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,319
interested, keep track of 
appointments and activities, and

1252
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:02,240
then navigate the area and plan 
time effectively so but. 

1253
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,080
There, this, this is more than 
that. 

1254
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,520
I'll tell you, 'cause my 
neighbor kid, he came and showed

1255
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,960
me, 'cause he came home from 
his. 

1256
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,240
Mission that he has. 
I don't know if it was that one.

1257
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,479
This is back. 
He's in the military now. 

1258
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,359
He's a Marine. 
He's like my other son. 

1259
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:22,840
So hi, Louise. 
But he showed me his and he said

1260
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,560
no. 
They have direct answers for 

1261
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,040
things on here. 
Like if some if somebody says a 

1262
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,279
question that's like really 
screwed up and you don't know 

1263
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:34,640
what to say, you just and put it
in and then I need this. 

1264
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,359
App. 
I want this app now. 

1265
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,439
They'll never give it to you. 
It's only through the church. 

1266
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,399
It you have to have like a 
number. 

1267
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,399
It's all on the, like, really 
locked up, yeah. 

1268
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,800
I don't know. 
I know some people. 

1269
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,600
I I feel like we could get a 
copy of this. 

1270
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,279
Could be. 
I don't know if that's it, but I

1271
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:55,040
can ask. 
Him someone watching right now. 

1272
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,960
We've got over 100 people 
watching live right now and 

1273
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,680
probably another thousand after 
this doesn't go live if you have

1274
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,600
access to. 
I don't know what the official 

1275
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,520
Mormon missionary app is, but 
I'm sure someone listening at 

1276
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,280
this exact moment knows someone 
that has this app and has got 

1277
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,840
access to and everything. 
I would love to just get a peek.

1278
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,400
I want to just ask a couple 
questions and just see what's in

1279
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,920
it. 
We don't have to like reveal who

1280
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,960
you are or where we got it from.
I just want access to this 

1281
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,680
thing. 
I think they kick him out of it 

1282
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,040
as soon as they're done with 
their mission because he only 

1283
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,200
had his on there still because 
he got COVID and he wasn't 

1284
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,440
technically released yet. 
And so it was at the very 

1285
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,840
beginning of 2020. 
And so that's why it was the 

1286
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:39,840
whole deal. 
But. 

1287
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,360
I mean, you could get this app 
and then air gap it, meaning 

1288
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,360
just never let it talk to the 
Internet again. 

1289
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,440
So there's probably a few copies
of this thing floating around 

1290
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,880
and if it's if it's an app that 
Do Mormons use iPhones or 

1291
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,840
Androids? 
Well, I don't, I mean. 

1292
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:58,520
I feel like they would use the 
same word. 

1293
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,440
I don't know. 
I mean, I don't know. 

1294
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,440
I don't. 
Know iPhone people or Android 

1295
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,200
people? 
Microsoft or Apple? 

1296
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,600
They usually are Apple, but that
makes sense because Bill Gates 

1297
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,480
is their number one money guy 
like that. 

1298
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,320
That's their number one 
portfolio choice, so meh. 

1299
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,440
But I'm sure they can use both. 
It's whatever they're asking 

1300
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:23,040
about gang stalking and 
Mormonism. 

1301
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,640
They're like call Andreas. 
But I did have, I mean the gang 

1302
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,800
stalking. 
I don't know when I first got 

1303
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,120
out my grandma came for me hard.
But that I feel like it was a 

1304
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,880
personal thing and not. 
Find and contact people who are 

1305
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,880
interested, which to me that 
there's got to be a special gang

1306
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,680
stalking folder where if you've 
run out of people on your street

1307
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,080
and you've still got extra time 
in the day, go and gang stalk 

1308
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,480
these people. 
They're non grata. 

1309
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,320
Possible. 
It's, you know, you know my son.

1310
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,440
Yeah, he's a teenager. 
And the Mormon missionaries were

1311
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:03,560
coming by and walking just near 
the fence. 

1312
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,880
And they were like, hey, could 
we share a message with you? 

1313
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,160
And he's like, sure, what's up? 
And then they said something. 

1314
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,640
And he's like, that's OK, I'm on
crack. 

1315
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,760
I got to go. 
I'm like, Oh my. 

1316
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,840
Gosh. 
As if it's not bad enough like 

1317
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,640
that, they they know we're 
apostates. 

1318
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,800
You're going to do that to me. 
Thank you so much. 

1319
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,720
My my dad used to to have some 
choice words for Mormons when I 

1320
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,560
was a kid. 
He thought he was hilarious. 

1321
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,120
I thought it was a little 
cringy, but yeah, he would. 

1322
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,600
He would say wild stuff to them.
Like I got to go back to beating

1323
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,320
my kids. 
Sorry. 

1324
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,760
But. 
He realized that they were like,

1325
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,040
oh, you're already Mormon? 
OK, we we keep moving. 

1326
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,760
They're like, oh, he is white 
and delightsome. 

1327
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,320
Likely he's fine. 
Here was another one called the 

1328
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,840
my Mission app and some of these
sound so official I don't like 

1329
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,120
maybe this is the official one 
that's on both of the but this 

1330
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,920
one didn't have as many ratings 
as the other one did because. 

1331
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,400
You're not supposed to talk 
about it. 

1332
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,960
The My Mission app, so maybe 
this, maybe this is part of it. 

1333
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,560
There was the Mission Call app 
which helps people and there's 

1334
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,080
like a game built into it. 
So we're going to have to just 

1335
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,640
do a Mormon app review at some 
point in the future. 

1336
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,680
I feel like it could be fun. 
Wow, I did not know there were 

1337
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,200
so many choices. 
And then there was this entire 

1338
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:29,120
thread that got naked called 
missionary approved phone apps. 

1339
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,880
Hey, I'm going to serve a 
mission next month and I'm 

1340
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,160
required to bring a Samsung 
phone. 

1341
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,280
So that's that's Android by. 
The way the primary official app

1342
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:41,000
for Mormon missionaries is 
Preach My Gospel app. 

1343
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,120
Oh great, it's the one that has 
the most review because you have

1344
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,520
to give it a five star 
otherwise. 

1345
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,240
Oh my gosh, really? 
I wanna, I wanna. 

1346
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,800
Are there any bad reviews we can
read? 

1347
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,760
So funny. 
Remember the one about the guy 

1348
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,960
getting his bikes on? 
Oh, here we go. 

1349
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,840
I I want to just do one star. 
Let's see, I'm not allowed to 

1350
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,560
use the app because I don't have
permission to use it. 

1351
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,640
I just wanted to learn more 
about the gospel and edge. 

1352
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,480
So they're mad that they don't 
have access to the Mormon app? 

1353
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,520
Which is legitimate. 
They lock down everything, Yeah.

1354
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,360
As missionaries, we rarely have 
Wi-Fi to update and you can't 

1355
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,240
use it unless it's up to date. 
I could see that being 

1356
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,960
frustrating. 
I'm a ward mission leader. 

1357
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,720
It would be beneficial to allow 
me to see what my elders are 

1358
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,120
doing. 
Please give me access. 

1359
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,200
And then look at this. 
The Church of Jesus Christ of 

1360
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,800
Latter Day Saints. 
Respond like you can get them to

1361
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,960
talk to you if you give them a 
one star rate. 

1362
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,400
I'm not telling people listening
right now that if you want a 

1363
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,320
direct conversation with the 
Church of Latter Day Saints that

1364
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,800
all you have to do is find this 
preach my casual app and give it

1365
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,480
a one star and you will get a 
response. 

1366
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,680
I'm not saying to do that, but I
am saying it seems like this is 

1367
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,600
one way to get them to talk to 
you if you're if you're looking 

1368
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,520
for them, but it's to coordinate
your efforts with full time 

1369
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,040
missionaries. 
You can use the progress record 

1370
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,720
in the member tools app. 
So maybe Mormons get their own 

1371
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,320
app. 
Even if you're not a missionary,

1372
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,360
you have a member tools. 
App I was. 

1373
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,880
This was all like, not digital 
when I was in there. 

1374
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,360
So I I've been out of this whole
mess since 2012. 

1375
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,440
So yeah, I don't. 
Know it's crazy that all of the 

1376
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:36,240
one star ratings are really just
people that want access to it 

1377
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,880
and can't get it because it's 
only for missionaries. 

1378
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:42,600
Very interesting. 
Wild. 

1379
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,840
And there is there is a an app 
here called Member tools. 

1380
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,320
Look at this over 1,000,000 
downloads. 

1381
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,680
So I guess if you are a Mormon 
that this is you just have this 

1382
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,880
app on your phone. 
This this is post Heidi being 

1383
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,520
Mormon I assume. 
Yes, definitely not. 

1384
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,600
Yeah, not a thing when I was 
there. 

1385
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,440
Wow, this has got a whole 
itinerary built into it. 

1386
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:08,920
When you need to go to temple it
auto populates your calendar 

1387
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,560
directory of people. 
Oh, listen to this also Latter 

1388
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,680
day St. 
Missionaries are assigned a 

1389
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,360
church owned smartphone because 
you can't just be getting on, 

1390
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,560
you know, you, you can't even 
talk to your mom, like, or 

1391
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,960
anybody. 
It used to be that you could 

1392
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,720
talk to your mom on Mother's Day
and then at Christmas, that was 

1393
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,640
it all year, like, except for 
writing letters. 

1394
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,760
But I know they've changed some 
rules, so I don't know. 

1395
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:41,160
But yeah, these are actually 
provided at the MTC Mission 

1396
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,640
Training Center. 
So Yep. 

1397
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,320
Look at this that they are even 
on the modern tools app you can 

1398
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,320
get the church to respond 
directly to you with A2 star 

1399
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,520
review. 
This is actually pretty 

1400
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,240
fascinating to me. 
I want to see. 

1401
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,320
They're very well, you do know 
that the Mormons are very up and

1402
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,160
up on all the computer stuff. 
I mean, they were one of the 

1403
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,280
first people through Howard 
Hughes's company, Hughes 

1404
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:11,480
Dynamics, to start anything 
computerized with documentation,

1405
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:15,040
especially for genealogy. 
And that's what William Gay, 

1406
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,840
known as Bill Gay, was doing. 
And, yeah, he left quite the 

1407
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,320
legacy of money for his kids. 
So if anybody doesn't know who 

1408
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:27,760
that is, his son's wife is 
currently on Real Housewives of 

1409
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,080
Salt Lake City. 
Heather Gay. 

1410
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:38,920
And Speaking of beards, no, I 
guess I just assumed that most 

1411
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,160
of those wives might might 
possibly be. 

1412
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,120
And here's another interesting 
I'm just putting this together 

1413
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,400
as I go, but that that Reddit 
thread about someone asking what

1414
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,120
apps they were allowed to have 
as a missionary. 

1415
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,480
They said they had a Samsung. 
Now this this review says they 

1416
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:59,520
have a Samsung S8. 
Here's another reader that says 

1417
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,680
they just bought a new Samsung 
Galaxy. 

1418
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,520
So I wonder. 
They changed. 

1419
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,120
It they want, I wonder if the 
church wants you to have a 

1420
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,720
Samsung Android smartphone for 
some reason. 

1421
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,680
Honey, let's see, it says, how 
old is this? 

1422
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:17,040
Four years ago, they're saying 
that they had to buy a certain 

1423
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:23,760
phone, but some say they're like
giving you the specific phone. 

1424
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,400
So I don't know which. 
But we'll do the I'll install 

1425
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,600
these on my phone and see what I
can do, if I can poke and prod, 

1426
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,400
if I can get through the logins.
Crack the code. 

1427
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,160
It can't be that hard. 
I've I've gotten into harder 

1428
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,920
systems than that before, 
although I don't know, maybe 

1429
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,360
I've, I've never, I've never 
actually tried to gain access to

1430
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,920
anything Mormon yet. 
So we'll. 

1431
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,280
Find out if you crack. 
If you crack their code, don't 

1432
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,800
forget they have the FBI and CIA
and IRS. 

1433
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,760
The IRS, that's the one you want
to stay away from. 

1434
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,400
Holy moly. 
So OK, so this is all LED from 

1435
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:01,960
anyways, in 2019 was the last 
time that they published these 

1436
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,400
guidelines outside the app. 
So I guess anyone had access to 

1437
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,080
all the general guidelines and 
they were sick of getting made 

1438
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,520
fun of or getting quoted out of 
context or whatever. 

1439
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,040
So they're like, OK, that's 
gone. 

1440
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,680
Now. 
If you try and go to 

1441
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,400
missionary.lds.org/any of the 
guidelines, they all just go to 

1442
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,920
broken pages. 
So here's what it said. 

1443
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,040
And again, I'm, I'm not trying 
to be crass or like 

1444
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,160
controversial here, but as I was
going through this page, I was 

1445
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,480
just like, OK, here's a white 
guy and a black guy and sort of 

1446
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,720
like, I don't know, a Hawaiian 
would make the most sense if it 

1447
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,800
were Mormon, but you know, 
someone that's not white. 

1448
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,480
So many Latins. 
They've got some diversity here.

1449
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,040
And then as I'm scrolling, I 
was, it was like, OK, we've got 

1450
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,680
an Asian in this picture. 
And then all the other pictures,

1451
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,120
they, they decided to stick a 
black guy in there. 

1452
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,200
And I was saying that there's 
not black Mormons or that there 

1453
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,040
can't be or that I was even 
looking for this. 

1454
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,920
But it was just weird that how 
often do you actually hear about

1455
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,600
or see black Mormons out in the 
wild compared to the official 

1456
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,880
guideline of what you're 
supposed to look for? 

1457
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,440
And then every single one of 
these picture every more than 

1458
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,120
every other picture. 
It looks like. 

1459
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:19,840
The. 
Same guy. 

1460
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,240
I don't know if it's the same 
one or not because the 

1461
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,160
guidelines are supposed to make 
you all look like the same 

1462
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,880
person, right? 
So that maybe that's part of it.

1463
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,400
Maybe instead of being magical, 
if they send one guy to your 

1464
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,320
door on a Tuesday and then a 
month later another guy to your 

1465
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,640
door on Tuesday, maybe you're 
like, oh, maybe it's the same 

1466
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,000
guy. 
It kind of looked that he's 

1467
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,880
wearing the same outfit, got the
same haircut, so. 

1468
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,840
It oh, it will be they're 
assigned so they're assigned 

1469
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,840
quadrants by like where they 
live. 

1470
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,520
And so the same people will come
to your house over and over and 

1471
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,320
over because unless you ask for 
a mission president or somebody 

1472
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,160
higher up, it will be the same 
people unless they get like 

1473
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,640
moved or somebody goes home 
because. 

1474
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:05,920
It's. 
Right. 

1475
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,240
It's all done like within zones 
they call it missionary zones. 

1476
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,320
So yeah, it's all it's very high
tech, like the sounds like a 

1477
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:14,120
video. 
Game. 

1478
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,040
It sounds like Super Mario World
a little bit. 

1479
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,040
Well, they don't mess around 
with their computer stuff. 

1480
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,400
I'm telling you, they really 
have. 

1481
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:24,400
Always. 
Even clear back when we got our 

1482
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,240
garments which would have been 
1996, they already had your 

1483
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,840
stuff barcoded to go to the 
store and get your garments and 

1484
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:36,520
so just scan it. 
It's ironic that the Internet is

1485
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,800
also what like started bringing 
them down a little bit. 

1486
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,000
That's what made them bring 
that. 

1487
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,960
More than a little. 
Yeah, it's already. 

1488
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,520
It's something else. 
Yeah, and and also just as 

1489
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,840
ironic with Scientology, it's 
Scientology didn't see the 

1490
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,720
Internet being like a a constant
thorn in their side of exposing 

1491
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,640
their secrets, even though they 
were. 

1492
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,400
Zenu. 
Yeah, I mean the two religions 

1493
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,840
that believe in aliens and space
travel, right? 

1494
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,080
Mormonism and Scientology. 
Elohim and Zenu, they're 

1495
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,600
probably friends, you know? 
They they live in volcanoes that

1496
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,240
are next to each other. 
For all I know Zenu is the 

1497
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,000
Elohim because that's a title, 
not a name. 

1498
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:24,840
So something to think about. 
This this page, it says an 

1499
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,000
ambassador of the Lord and here 
it just states it right there in

1500
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,080
the beginning. 
As an ambassador of the Lord, 

1501
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:36,040
you are to wear professional 
conservative clothing consistent

1502
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:40,560
with your sacred calling that 
will clearly identify you as a 

1503
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,680
missionary for the Church of 
Jesus Christ, Latter Day Saints.

1504
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:49,000
Appropriate dress and grooming 
will help you earn respect and 

1505
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,760
trust. 
This I mean, that's kind of what

1506
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,840
con men do and I'm not saying 
that missionaries are con men. 

1507
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,080
I'm what I'm saying is that like
this is a. 

1508
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,560
Porch Masons, that's. 
What's an NLP tactic that that 

1509
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,840
got classified by Grinder and 
Bandler, but that any social 

1510
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,480
interaction, if you're being 
sort of like like a sociopath 

1511
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:17,120
about it, I guess is that you're
looking to raise your rapport 

1512
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,960
with the other person that 
you're talking to. 

1513
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,560
And sometimes that involves 
mirroring their patterns. 

1514
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,080
If they use certain phrases or 
words or a certain accent, you 

1515
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,760
maybe lean into a similar accent
without sounding like you're 

1516
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,920
making it up. 
And the more that you can mirror

1517
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,760
someone and appear consistent 
that you're just building 

1518
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,920
rapport. 
But if you go, and I guess this 

1519
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,520
is an interesting part of like 
the whole mind control and 

1520
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,680
manipulation and like cult 
leader stuff, like Jim Jones, 

1521
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,440
for example, almost every 
biography about Jim Jones, the 

1522
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,280
guy from Jonestown was written 
that said that he was born with 

1523
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,280
natural charisma. 
That even when he was like 5 or 

1524
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,440
6 years old, he was gathering 
crowds of children and preaching

1525
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:02,760
to them and sort of instilling 
this. 

1526
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,560
And I doubt that he sat down and
calculated out. 

1527
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,160
If I say this in this way, then 
they're going to respect me and 

1528
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:11,760
I'm going to build on that 
rapport and I'm going to 

1529
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,800
manipulate it. 
And then there's some people, 

1530
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,680
they just figure that out 
naturally on their own and 

1531
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,040
they're just kind of have this 
natural charisma. 

1532
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,080
So as a Mormon, that's. 
What they said about Joseph too.

1533
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,720
I and I 100% believe it, that's,
that's pretty much most what you

1534
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,200
would call like a natural 
leader. 

1535
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,160
They usually have some form of 
natural charisma. 

1536
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,200
But it also means that now in 
the last two centuries at least,

1537
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,080
that the patterns of, OK, well, 
what makes them have charisma? 

1538
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,600
How do you quantify that and 
write down a formula or a 

1539
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,840
recipe? 
And those kind of exist now, 

1540
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,920
even like was it Carnegie wrote,
like the I'm going to make up a 

1541
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,760
number. 
It's like the seven habits of 

1542
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,320
highly effective people and then
how to make friends and and win 

1543
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,360
influence and all this. 
All that is building up on this 

1544
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,600
exact premise of how do you earn
respect and trust from a 

1545
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,880
stranger in the shortest in one 
interaction with them. 

1546
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,840
So the Mormon approach is just 
be clean cut, groomed in a very 

1547
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,520
specific way. 
And it's not just in me reading 

1548
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,000
this, It's not just looking 
clean cut. 

1549
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,800
It literally says here, dress 
yourself in a way that will 

1550
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,600
clearly identify you as a 
missionary. 

1551
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,960
So they're establishing an 
aesthetic look that separates 

1552
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,040
you from the rest of people. 
And I guess they've done that 

1553
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,120
very well, hence the whole like 
beard versus non beard now 

1554
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,360
because that's kind of where the
whole topic. 

1555
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:40,760
Yeah, They have a whole, like, 
if you're going to go on a 

1556
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,600
mission and you're a kid here in
Utah, you've got to go buy like 

1557
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,680
they've got a checklist. 
Like, you need this many suits, 

1558
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,160
this color, you need this many 
white shirts. 

1559
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,400
You need this, this, this. 
Like you can't just wear Willy 

1560
01:25:55,400 --> 01:26:00,120
nilly anything you want at all. 
I mean, I guess I realize that 

1561
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,680
without realizing it, but 
they're only allowed to wear 

1562
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,600
white shirts. 
No yellow or pink or pastel, 

1563
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,320
just white straight up. 
And there's a lot of people that

1564
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,800
complain about that still. 
Like when's the church going to 

1565
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,200
come around on just pure white 
shirts? 

1566
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:17,200
That was in some of the the pro 
beard forums that I was reading,

1567
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,800
where modern Mormon men were 
like, I want my beard, and while

1568
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,240
we're at it, I want to wear a 
blue shirt every once in a 

1569
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,480
while. 
Yeah, you cannot, and especially

1570
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:29,080
you don't want to wear a black 
one because you'll definitely 

1571
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,160
get that evil eye for that one. 
Well then you also just look 

1572
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,560
like you're there to serve 
drinks. 

1573
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,040
I mean true. 
And it and about the checklist, 

1574
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,560
this one doesn't have like the 
the specificity of the 

1575
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,240
checklist, but it does mention 
this. 

1576
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,320
And this is when I was like, oh,
this is Disney conservative 

1577
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,160
hairstyle. 
Keep your hair short and evenly 

1578
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,320
tapered on the top, back and 
sides. 

1579
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,120
Sideburns should reach no lower 
than the middle of the ear. 

1580
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:59,480
Facial hair is not allowed 
unless authorized by mission 

1581
01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:02,640
president. 
And then it said, click here for

1582
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,680
examples of appropriate 
missionary hairstyles. 

1583
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,800
So let's go ahead and do that. 
And this one shows you exactly 

1584
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,600
what you're allowed to look like
as a Mormon missionary. 

1585
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,920
It says I found the list while 
you're pulling that up. 

1586
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:23,760
Two dark colored conservative 
suits, 10 to 12 white shirts, 

1587
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:29,480
some short sleeves, some long 
sleeve, 5 to 6, 6 pairs of dress

1588
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:35,480
slacks, 5 to 6 conservative 
ties, 8 to 10 solid dark colored

1589
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:39,120
socks. 
So they're very serious about 

1590
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,480
like exactly what you're 
bringing in, what color they 

1591
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,880
could be so. 
I almost felt like this orange 

1592
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,920
tie is maybe pushing the line a 
little bit. 

1593
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,400
I've never seen a missionary. 
In this, this is again from the 

1594
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:58,680
official missionary LDS website.
So I feel like if anyone ever 

1595
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,320
gave you flak, you could be 
like, this guy's got an orange 

1596
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,120
tie and they're like, well, 
that's Devon and he gets special

1597
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,360
rules. 
He it fits his color palette 

1598
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,560
better. 
Complexion. 

1599
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,720
But yeah, I mean, here you go. 
In case you wanted to know what 

1600
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,760
the Mormons say that you should 
look like, and this is a 

1601
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,280
standard. 
There it is. 

1602
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,640
And sure enough, no one has the 
sideburns that go down beneath 

1603
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:25,680
the middle of the ear. 
All white shirts, even this guy 

1604
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,360
at the bottom. 
I was thinking, like, get a 

1605
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,240
haircut, guy. 
Like, you're starting to look a 

1606
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,000
little bit, you know, a little 
bit like, Shaggy there. 

1607
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:39,400
Yeah. 
Unaccepted hairstyles include 

1608
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:46,120
faux Hawks, crew cuts, mullets, 
spikes, mess, messy or permed 

1609
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,800
hair. 
Do not bleach or dye your hair. 

1610
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,520
And then finally, your 
appearance should never distract

1611
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:58,200
from your message. 
Which, oh, guess what it says? 

1612
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:01,480
Bike then. 
I just looked it up and it says 

1613
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:06,000
specifically in teaching areas, 
young men can now wear a plain 

1614
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,760
blue dress shirt with or without
a tie. 

1615
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:14,040
Money, magic, blue booyah, you 
know that's what they're doing. 

1616
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,120
Also, I feel like it lets you 
sneak up on on the the prey a 

1617
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,960
little bit easier because if if 
they see you coming with the 

1618
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,880
bike and the white shirt, they 
already know, go to close the 

1619
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,520
door and don't answer it. 
But if they see some young 

1620
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,680
conservative kid wearing a blue 
shirt and a little goatee or 

1621
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,480
something, the first thought is 
like, oh, well, at least it's 

1622
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:35,040
not a Mormon. 
Let me go ahead and see what 

1623
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,160
they're selling. 
And then it's like, here's the 

1624
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,800
Book of Mormon in your face. 
And by the way, it's blue. 

1625
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,800
Give me some money. 
Yeah. 

1626
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,320
No, they totally know what 
they're doing with that one. 

1627
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,960
I I feel anyway, but whatever. 
Very strange. 

1628
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,880
I did not know that they changed
that. 

1629
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:58,000
And then it says certain 
activities require you to dress 

1630
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,160
your best, or in other words, to
wear your Sunday best attire, 

1631
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,120
including zone conferences, 
interviews, baptismal services, 

1632
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:08,240
ba da ba da baa. 
But essentially you're just 

1633
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:12,880
wearing suit and tie every day 
of the week as a missionary. 

1634
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:18,280
Except P day you have your day 
where you can go do. 

1635
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,400
It's a free day. 
Why did you call? 

1636
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,560
That doesn't mean you they call 
it that. 

1637
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,920
I can't remember why. 
It's it's your day. 

1638
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,840
Is that a joke or? 
Or is it really called P day for

1639
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,520
a real reason? 
No, it's real. 

1640
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,280
I'll look it up. 
I don't know why. 

1641
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,080
Mormon P It sounds like a joke. 
It sounds like we're making fun 

1642
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:45,880
of Mormon's specific slacks. 
They even have like, here's 

1643
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,920
examples of slacks you're 
allowed to wear. 

1644
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,920
And none of this is surprising 
because again, as a missionary 

1645
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,200
and if the Mormon church is one 
of the richest, then essentially

1646
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,480
it is just a very successful 
corporation. 

1647
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,960
And any successful corporation 
has a corporate dress code that 

1648
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,240
you usually adhere to. 
And I mean, it seems like if you

1649
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,560
were to walk into a room full of
Mormon missionaries, it wouldn't

1650
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,920
be too much different than 
walking into some Fortune 500. 

1651
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,280
Corporate office preparation 
day. 

1652
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,880
That sounds. 
That almost sounds. 

1653
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:23,960
You have to go do your laundry, 
do your chores, go shopping at 

1654
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:29,160
the store, blah blah blah. 
It shouldn't be. 

1655
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,440
I mean, I don't even know what 
I'm looking for here, What They 

1656
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:34,240
have to be pleated, I guess. 
There's even some chinos in 

1657
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,160
here. 
Hopefully not. 

1658
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,360
There's chinos, it just they're 
just showing you the colors that

1659
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:39,680
you can kind of wear. 
It's like. 

1660
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:40,760
Gray. 
Oh, I got it. 

1661
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,640
Yeah, there's no orange and 
green. 

1662
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:47,120
And yeah, they don't have one 
that says like apple bottom on 

1663
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:54,640
the back when like rhinestone. 
No, that's funny. 

1664
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,520
What else we OK, so I I kept 
going down this rabbit hole. 

1665
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:04,080
They're talking about LDS beards
and then this one, it mentioned 

1666
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:08,520
that the Mormon church handbook 
does not provide specific beards

1667
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:13,560
or hair guidelines, but somehow 
the missionaries get wrapped up 

1668
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:18,120
into this beardless look. 
So, and, and here here's the one

1669
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,160
that I was looking for before 
about someone telling him that 

1670
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:25,600
Jesus was actually clean cut and
was like clean shaven and had a 

1671
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,840
tapered haircut, you know, back 
in the day. 

1672
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,000
Back in the day when it was hard
to get a haircut. 

1673
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:35,440
OK, whatever. 
You already mentioned this. 

1674
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:38,440
The last prophet to have facial 
hair was George Albert Smith in 

1675
01:32:38,440 --> 01:32:44,000
1951 and then David O McKay 
change things by being the first

1676
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,560
clean shaven prophet and the 
standard has remained for every 

1677
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,160
prophet since. 
So even as a prophet, I guess 

1678
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:55,400
you still need to not have 
facial hair, which is in 

1679
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,400
accordance with Joseph Smith. 
None of the quorum would be 

1680
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,120
allowed like the quorum of the 
70 or or the 1st and 2nd 

1681
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:04,400
counselor. 
There's no way. 

1682
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,760
And then they do these fun 
little things like they're like,

1683
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,720
we don't have any rules, but BYU
does. 

1684
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,360
It's not our fault. 
Yeah, that's what they do. 

1685
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,640
So here was another take on it 
that I thought was interesting 

1686
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:26,560
and the question is why do 
current day LDS hate beards so 

1687
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,560
much? 
I don't get it. 

1688
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,040
Is it an obedience thing? 
Like half your profits sport 

1689
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:36,040
long flowing mains? 
Why is the LDS church so intent 

1690
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:40,240
on making its boys and men look 
like effing executives and Boy 

1691
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:44,640
Scouts and not the hooch 
swilling bloodthirsty M effers 

1692
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,240
that you all came from? 
I love the way that they sort of

1693
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:52,480
phrase this. 
It's just like Napoleon Dynamite

1694
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,720
if you've ever seen it. 
Well he the the first response 

1695
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,120
actually for the first time on 
Reddit had some insight. 

1696
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,400
Because beards were considered 
part of a counter conformist 

1697
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:09,080
movement of the 60s and 70s and 
the LDS church didn't want that 

1698
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,280
image applied to them so they 
banned what seemed uncouth 

1699
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,480
behavior. 
Groom and dress at BYU and 

1700
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:19,280
preach conservative nationalism 
from the pulpit. 

1701
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,800
They never grew out of that, and
these policies morphed into an 

1702
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,600
obedience and conformity test of
the membership. 

1703
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:31,720
Or what if it's because they're 
all in the CIA, and the CIA is 

1704
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,920
all clean cut until they have to
go undercover, and so they don't

1705
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,160
want everybody looking like 
they're undercover all the time?

1706
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,520
I mean, the there's never 
anything that stops CIA agents 

1707
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,800
from growing their hair out and 
putting on beards. 

1708
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,080
If you look around in Laurel 
Canyon and the Manson and all of

1709
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:49,720
that. 
Yeah. 

1710
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,600
So it makes it easier for them 
to be like everybody else. 

1711
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,880
You all look normal. 
OK, I see that. 

1712
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,400
I see that they had so many CIA 
agents that were coming in. 

1713
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,040
They just couldn't grow the 
beards fast enough, right? 

1714
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,120
They had to go the other 
direction. 

1715
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:05,840
OK, They. 
Were like, listen, you dirty 

1716
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,720
hippies get your hair cut so you
can look like cuz don't you 

1717
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,640
think it's funny? 
The missionary outfit looks like

1718
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:15,320
the quintessential CIA outfit? 
Like when you think of men in 

1719
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:19,080
black and like, you see, I mean,
I'm just saying they look the 

1720
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,560
same. 
I'm saying even as a as a kid, I

1721
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,800
always thought that the Mormons 
looked just like Michael Douglas

1722
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,440
and Falling Down, the movie 
where he goes crazy because they

1723
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,120
don't serve him breakfast at 
McDonald's and he gets like a 

1724
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,400
double bag full of you know what
movie I'm talking about. 

1725
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,280
Yes, I know what you're talking.
About I always assumed that he 

1726
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:40,240
was a Mormon because he had that
same kind of look to him. 

1727
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,080
You're like, that's what it is. 
Totally going to lose it if 

1728
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,640
McDonald's isn't serving today. 
If I had an unlimited budget, I 

1729
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,640
would make a Falling Down Mormon
edition where the guys just fed 

1730
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,200
up with no one wants to answer 
their doors, no one's listening 

1731
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,000
to him preaching this gospel, so
now he's got a duffel bag full 

1732
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,040
of sawed offs and he's going to 
make you listen. 

1733
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:03,560
What's up? 
That's right. 

1734
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:08,120
He just wanted to have a beard, 
dammit, and he couldn't do it 

1735
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:11,200
and now it's ruined his life. 
Another good point. 

1736
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,360
Yeah, Satan has a beard, so you 
shouldn't. 

1737
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,960
Yeah, yeah. 
So I guess the, the consensus 

1738
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:23,360
though is according to like the 
surface level Reddit stuff, but 

1739
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:27,720
it was that they, they wanted to
separate themselves from the 

1740
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,760
counterculture movement that was
starting in like the 50s, 

1741
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,240
sixties, 70s. 
So that was part of it. 

1742
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:38,320
But then the other part, like 
you were mentioning was to make 

1743
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:43,360
the the normies and the CIA 
agents kind of inner blend a 

1744
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:47,240
little bit easier. 
And then also this sort of Skull

1745
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,240
and Bones attitude where they 
realize not just being 

1746
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,520
counterculture, but that if we 
want to be taken seriously and 

1747
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,280
we want to take off some of that
hard edge. 

1748
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,800
And the next time someone brings
up that damn Meadow Mountain 

1749
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,680
Massacre thing, it's like that. 
It wasn't us. 

1750
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:05,680
That was the bearded Mormon. 
Exactly. 

1751
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,440
Those were the bearded ones. 
Oh my gosh. 

1752
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:09,640
Yeah, no. 
Kidding. 

1753
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,280
I think it's smart. 
It's really smart. 

1754
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,960
And I guess this is like. 
Scraggly western ones. 

1755
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:19,680
Whatever the the clean shaven 
Mormons start to get more and 

1756
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,920
more criticism, they're going to
bring the beard back. 

1757
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,160
Because then it's like, we're 
not those clean shade. 

1758
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:25,760
We're not your grandpa's 
Mormons. 

1759
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,680
We're the new cool biker 
mountain Mormons. 

1760
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,960
That's right. 
They'll I think they're getting 

1761
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,880
real close to that bro. 
I think that one might pop in 

1762
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,680
here pretty soon. 
I. 

1763
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,640
Agree. 
I agree, I it also makes sense 

1764
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,360
that they would keep the same 
rules for missionaries like 

1765
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,240
missionaries. 
Sorry missionaries, but I don't 

1766
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:50,440
think you should have beards 
either. 

1767
01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:54,000
I do think that you should keep 
that same clean cut look so 

1768
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,840
someone can see you coming. 
You know it's like your outfit. 

1769
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,520
But then after you're no longer 
a missionary, if you want to 

1770
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,160
become a prophet, now you have 
to grow a beard. 

1771
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,840
Man, that's a lot of rules. 
I think that all the 

1772
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,760
missionaries should protest 
together and grow Hitler 

1773
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:15,120
mustaches. 
It I mean, technically it's 

1774
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:19,080
within the guidelines I was 
looking as long as you have a 

1775
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,280
mustache that doesn't grow 
beyond the bounds of your upper 

1776
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:26,600
missionary. 
No, I've never seen one no of. 

1777
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,560
Course you haven't seen one, I'm
just saying that if you were to 

1778
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:34,240
follow the guidelines to the 
letter, it's technically allowed

1779
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:35,960
from from everything that I can 
see. 

1780
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,720
I'm sure if you just showed up 
someone would be like get that 

1781
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,480
thing off of the top of your lip
right now. 

1782
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:44,680
I am certain too, unless it was 
a girl and then you know they 

1783
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,840
won't say anything because 
that's embarrassing. 

1784
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,960
But other than that. 
That's just a regular hair lip. 

1785
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,200
Yeah, they're like, oop, don't 
mention that one. 

1786
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,640
But yeah, I think they're closer
than ever to bringing back the 

1787
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,560
old Western because the whole 
prepper thing and every. 

1788
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,720
I really think it's heading 
right toward that direction. 

1789
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,920
Yeah, but everybody has a beard 
right now. 

1790
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,720
Everybody has it. 
It's so trendy. 

1791
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,880
It's the most trendiest trend of
all trends, I'm telling you. 

1792
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,120
But sorry, I know you like your 
beard. 

1793
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,280
I'm sorry. 
I mean this, this one's like 2 

1794
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,640
decades old at this point, so. 
Well, I'll see, I told my 

1795
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,120
husband. 
No, Absolutely. 

1796
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,360
Not. 
Nope, he has a nice face. 

1797
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,640
I like his face. 
I like to see it hides his 

1798
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:33,760
dimples. 
No way. 

1799
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,760
The one time I shaved my beard 
was because of Disney. 

1800
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:43,400
I had to go and get my my cast 
member photo taken. 

1801
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:49,360
And just on a quick tangent, I 
remember I was like, this is BS.

1802
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,440
Like I'm, I never go in the 
park, no one's ever going to see

1803
01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:54,360
me. 
I work in this animation 

1804
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,440
building that no one has access 
to. 

1805
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,880
The only reason that they needed
me to shave was just because it 

1806
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,280
like I fell into this category. 
Like technically you're a cast 

1807
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,360
member because you're a salary 
being paid directly by Disney. 

1808
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,920
So anyways, I just kind of kept 
putting it off and like finding 

1809
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,560
reasons to not get my past 
taken. 

1810
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:19,240
And at a certain point the the. 
The president of our animation 

1811
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,640
company, he came to me and was 
like, why did I just get an 

1812
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,720
e-mail from like Michael Eisner 
or Michael Eisner's office 

1813
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,920
saying, hey, why is this one 
employee refusing to like I was 

1814
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,440
like, OK, I get the top fucking 
facts now and I shave. 

1815
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,600
And after I did that, though, 
everyone in the office was like,

1816
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,720
grow it back in immediately, 
like. 

1817
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,600
Everybody's like no, no, no, 
this does not look right. 

1818
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,200
I guess I just look like a like 
a huge baby. 

1819
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,840
I I think Baby Huey came up a 
few different times. 

1820
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,280
No. 
With a strong chin, but a baby 

1821
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,720
nonetheless. 
Hey, if you got a strong chin, 

1822
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,160
you don't need a beard. 
That's not true. 

1823
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,720
Look at. 
Look at. 

1824
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,760
That have to see the photo. 
The I'm sure he has a strong 

1825
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:08,440
chin. 
No. 

1826
01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:13,120
He's You don't think so. 
No, I think he has a double big 

1827
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,080
chin. 
Here's another, I guess, 

1828
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,720
criticism. 
It's just all, it's all 

1829
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,880
polygamy, I guess. 
And then here's I guess a 

1830
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,680
catching point. 
If you remove the blatant abuse,

1831
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,720
inherent ends like historical 
polygamy within this community, 

1832
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:32,760
but just the fact that your 
religion says that it's better 

1833
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:37,280
to have seven wives or something
than one wife, that's not a turn

1834
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:38,920
off for me. 
That doesn't make me think that 

1835
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,920
you're a weirdo or lesser than. 
It's not something for me. 

1836
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:43,920
But that's not the weirdest 
thing. 

1837
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,360
And it's weird to me that so 
many other people make that the 

1838
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,760
weirdest thing. 
I'm that's why I don't focus on 

1839
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:51,040
it. 
Yeah, that's why. 

1840
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,000
I don't like that's. 
I think that's the most 

1841
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,560
interesting weird version. 
Or well, I mean honestly, why 

1842
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,080
are you summoning demons like 
that? 

1843
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:04,360
One's more fun for me. 
Well, can I just throw out a 

1844
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:08,320
theory that maybe Mormons 
embraced polygamy because 

1845
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:12,240
polygamy can be the scapegoat of
that's the weird thing. 

1846
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,280
Like we everyone knows that 
we're weird, man. 

1847
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:17,240
Look at how many wives I've got.
By the way, don't pay attention 

1848
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:21,560
to the magic hat. 
Right man, maybe just like the 

1849
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:25,480
witchcraft thing. 
Oh look, I'm just a patriot. 

1850
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:27,160
Don't look at the hung women. 
Whoops. 

1851
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,000
I feel like that would get you 
more votes though, especially in

1852
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,080
the time. 
Not back then. 

1853
01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:39,840
Oh, I don't know, you know, part
of part of the curiosity with 

1854
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,400
William Morgan and that whole 
situation. 

1855
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,800
I don't know if you know this, 
but there was a couple people 

1856
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:52,360
pointed at for him disappearing 
and one of them was Good Joe 

1857
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:55,560
from Vermont. 
And I've always wondered if that

1858
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:58,640
had something to do with him 
rising to Master Mason all of a 

1859
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,560
sudden. 
What about because they took 

1860
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:02,960
care of that. 
Oh, yeah. 

1861
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,600
Well, William Morgan disappears 
and then he marries his widow 

1862
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:09,760
and then one of the guys. 
Smith had something to do with 

1863
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,640
William Morgan dying. 
There was a bunch of people, 

1864
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:17,360
like there was a bunch of talk 
about a, a bunch of men that 

1865
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:22,360
took him for a swim, you know, 
and good Joe from Vermont was 

1866
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:26,440
one of those. 
And I often wondered, maybe. 

1867
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:30,320
Maybe I just have to point out 
here that. 

1868
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:34,240
Married his widow. 
The last witch trial in the USA 

1869
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:39,840
was in 1878 and it was known as 
the Ipswich Witchcraft Trial 

1870
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:44,520
which just coincidentally was 
also in Salem, MA and it was 

1871
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:49,520
against Daniel Spofford who 
claimed he harmed a woman named 

1872
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,880
Lucretia Brown using mesmeric 
powers. 

1873
01:43:54,960 --> 01:44:00,760
The judge dismissed the case. 
But 1878, I mean that is fairly 

1874
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:05,840
recent to have the last Salem 
witch trial about an actual 

1875
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:09,960
witch being brought to a court 
and maybe going through like a 

1876
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,680
legal consequences of having 
mesmerism. 

1877
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,000
So. 
And now they just be like, can 

1878
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,040
you teach a course on that 
please? 

1879
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:22,360
What's your Patreon? 
Yeah, let me know. 

1880
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:27,280
I want to know how you did that.
Another Here's just another joke

1881
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:33,280
of Brigham Young going to 
divorce court and his like 50 or

1882
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,640
yeah, 55 wives in tow. 
Here was another example. 

1883
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,200
This time it's it's the 
Catholics get it too. 

1884
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,320
The like the now they're shots 
fired in all directions. 

1885
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:48,480
It says religious liberty is 
guaranteed, but can we allow 

1886
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:52,080
foreign reptiles to crawl all 
over us? 

1887
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:57,000
And on the left is a alligator 
slash crocodile that says Roman 

1888
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,440
church. 
And on the right is a huge 

1889
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:01,560
snapping turtle that says Mormon
Church. 

1890
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,520
So I guess I'm right there in 
the trenches. 

1891
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,360
Tillian was raised as, yeah, 
Roman Catholic or Mormon. 

1892
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:13,080
We were both literal reptiles. 
Don't let David Icke see this. 

1893
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:21,040
And it's the Thomas Nass cartoon
from the 1870s, so. 

1894
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:25,120
How funny. 
Here again, another version of 

1895
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:27,320
Brigham Young and all of his 
million wives, and you've got 

1896
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:29,480
the cook, the chambermaid, the 
nurse, the waitress, the 

1897
01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:32,560
laundress, the seamstress. 
It's not it's not the dumbest 

1898
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,680
idea in the world if you're 
wanna run a whole society. 

1899
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:40,360
Here's another version where 
he's saying, come along, my 

1900
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:44,080
dears, and the door is the 
prophet's bedroom. 

1901
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,080
And it's just this long line of 
young women that are following 

1902
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:51,400
into his bedroom kind. 
Of kind of. 

1903
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:56,760
This one feels like it was meant
to just trigger anyone that 

1904
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:01,120
looked at it. 
It's a picture of Uncle Sam in a

1905
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:07,400
bed next to an Indian, a black 
guy, a drunk Irishman. 

1906
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,560
I assume that's what that is. 
On the far right. 

1907
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,760
He's kicking out a Chinese guy 
and then a Mormon, and you can 

1908
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,160
tell that he's a Mormon because 
he has a beard and he's holding 

1909
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,600
a paper that says polygamy on 
it. 

1910
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,680
So this was another thing like 
these are these are all the 

1911
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,600
people ruining America, which 
happened to be just anyone that 

1912
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:33,960
wasn't a Protestant, I assume I.
Guess jeez that's a that picture

1913
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:39,640
nowadays would be a a situation.
There There's nothing in this 

1914
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:44,000
picture that isn't in a Bugs 
Bunny or a Disney cartoon from 

1915
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,240
the 1950s. 
And this is from the 1870s, so 

1916
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:52,800
we could we could pull up 
examples from Mel Blanc 1950s 

1917
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,600
all day long that would rifle 
that. 

1918
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,080
This one was kind of creepy too,
just because again, is Brigham 

1919
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,920
Young, I believe. 
Brigham Young. 

1920
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,000
Brigham Young. 
Brigham Young Mormon, is that a 

1921
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,640
real name? 
I think that they're, they're 

1922
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,800
having fun with his name. 
Mormon Elderberry. 

1923
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,640
That's not real. 
He's an elder. 

1924
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:16,720
But Elderberry with with his six
year olds who take after their 

1925
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:20,560
mothers. 
And this is from Time Life 

1926
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,360
magazine, by the way, the same 
one that gave Brigham Young the 

1927
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,320
19th best beard in history. 
Oh boy. 

1928
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:34,080
Another the the Mormon octopus 
enslaving the woman of Utah. 

1929
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,800
And you've kind of got this sort
of like a Promethean image, I 

1930
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,600
think of a get him, you know, 
that he's Mormon because he has 

1931
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,520
a beard. 
So there was a definite shift 

1932
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:49,040
there. 
I just saw every single cartoon 

1933
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,160
from back in the day, though. 
It was just all about Mormons 

1934
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,800
and their million wives and 
beards. 

1935
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,200
And then so this one is is 
pretty serious. 

1936
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,040
Look at this cutting gash above 
the knee. 

1937
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:01,560
So here. 
Oh, that was real. 

1938
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,720
Performing. 
Oh, no, that was real. 

1939
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:08,160
Yeah, That, that, that. 
This was not a symbolic. 

1940
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,200
This looks like he's actually. 
It was real. 

1941
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,560
No, because Emma Smith changed 
this for the women. 

1942
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,280
So as a Mason, I'm sure, I don't
know if you guys, I'm sure. 

1943
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:19,560
Don't get me killed. 
Don't get me. 

1944
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,960
Killed. 
OK, so anyway, they the garment 

1945
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,680
became the garment when they 
would slash it above the knee 

1946
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,800
where the mark would go, but it 
would often cut you as well. 

1947
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,240
And they would go home and sew 
that piece up. 

1948
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,120
And that's how the mark would 
become there. 

1949
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:40,000
But she was like, bro, no, I am 
not getting my leg all messed 

1950
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,280
up. 
No, that's changing for girls. 

1951
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:46,120
And so I think at some point 
they did try to rally to not 

1952
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,400
have scars. 
And I guess for the guys, it was

1953
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,960
kind of like, look at my scars 
on my knee. 

1954
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:55,240
But yeah, it changed for the 
women, so. 

1955
01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:00,200
And, and just to clear up what I
think I've from the last talks 

1956
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:04,080
we've had about this topic, that
this is the origin of the magic 

1957
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:08,640
underpants, is that the magic 
underpants is commemorating this

1958
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,760
moment in which you actually 
went through this initiation 

1959
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,080
ritual and you were cut above 
the knee. 

1960
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,600
And now you're going to put on 
these magic underpants that have

1961
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,800
a little stitch right on the 
knee to remind you of this 

1962
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:24,000
moment in your initiation. 
That underwear was the that they

1963
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,200
would cut that underwear to make
the mark. 

1964
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:29,240
So they would go home with the 
hole and sew it up and that 

1965
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:32,600
would make the mark. 
Back in the day when they didn't

1966
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:37,800
have pre marked markings, yeah. 
I wonder, did did you know ahead

1967
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:40,400
of time? 
Like could you like I would? 

1968
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,680
Probably not. 
That I wore something nice and 

1969
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,080
comfortable and breathable. 
Like, what if you showed up and 

1970
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:50,120
you were like, why today of all 
days, I decided to wear my wool 

1971
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:53,120
undergarments and now you're 
gonna just be wearing wool 

1972
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,720
underwear for the rest of your 
life, essentially. 

1973
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:59,160
I think that they could do other
ones themselves after the 

1974
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:04,200
original, but this was to like 
this was your carbon copy 

1975
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:08,360
basically like make your other 
underwear right like this, you 

1976
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,600
know, so. 
This seems like a secret that 

1977
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,400
you're not allowed to share, 
right? 

1978
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,680
This is something that's 
supposed to be kept inside the 

1979
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:17,480
temple. 
Well, definitely back in the 

1980
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:20,080
day, I don't think they ever 
would have shared that back in 

1981
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,400
the day, for sure not. 
And nowadays they would just 

1982
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:25,560
say, Thomas, that is not what we
do. 

1983
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,040
They are made in China or 
wherever the hell they're made. 

1984
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,840
And I think they are now. 
Yeah, they would just lie and be

1985
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:38,320
like that never happened. 
What is it all discourses #19 

1986
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,720
Maybe, maybe not, That's why. 
But the bad thing is, is you get

1987
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:47,720
so many people that will say 
like to me, like I was telling 

1988
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:51,320
you before we, we rolled like 
I'm LDS and I've never heard 

1989
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:53,600
this once in my whole life. 
She's a freaking liar. 

1990
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,560
I'm like, you should do some 
more reading because I'm not a 

1991
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,320
liar. 
This is how it used to be. 

1992
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:01,480
Like just because it's changed 
doesn't mean I'm a liar. 

1993
01:51:01,480 --> 01:51:05,680
And so it goes both ways, right?
So, but yeah, this was 

1994
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,320
definitely how they used to make
the markings, So and the men, 

1995
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,920
the men thought it was cool. 
Yeah, the men thought it was 

1996
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,760
cool. 
I don't think it's cool that 

1997
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:17,920
you're like cutting people, but 
I just think it's it's cool in a

1998
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,440
way of like, oh, I didn't expect
this to be this hardcore. 

1999
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:24,600
I figured it was just all 
symbolic and you just kind of 

2000
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,680
like magical underpants sound 
fun. 

2001
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,480
It doesn't sound like an old 
dude is literally cutting you 

2002
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:32,880
with a knife. 
Yeah, no, it was Yeah, until 

2003
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:37,040
Emma was like, listen, I know 
the women want to be Masons too,

2004
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:40,040
but we are not cutting up our 
breasts and stuff. 

2005
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:45,960
You know, and, and little as you
know in 2024, that's like back 

2006
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,720
in style now though. 
Probably, yeah. 

2007
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:53,360
And it is here JH Beadle, former
editor of Salt Lake Reporter and

2008
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:58,120
clerk of the Utah Supreme Court,
wrote this expose of secret 

2009
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:02,680
rites and ceremonies of the 
quote, deluded followers of 

2010
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,680
Brigham Young and that this is 
the endowment ceremony. 

2011
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:11,240
And this, this image right here 
is from his 1882 book called 

2012
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,960
Polygamy or the Mysteries and 
Crimes of Mormonism. 

2013
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:21,480
And then there was another one. 
This one is actually a pretty 

2014
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:24,360
interesting one, has kind of 
this same. 

2015
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,520
I assume this is part of this 
endowment ceremony. 

2016
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:32,280
Close your eyes hopefully. 
Get naked in the bathtub. 

2017
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:33,880
This is what my grandma said. 
This is. 

2018
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:38,600
Historical so. 
I cried and she said guess what?

2019
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:42,600
Shut up, I. 
Literally had to get into a 

2020
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,520
bathtub naked in front of a 
whole crowd of strangers. 

2021
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,960
She was very irritated with me. 
She was like, quit your whining.

2022
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,640
Are you serious? 
And she told me that, and I 

2023
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,960
couldn't believe it. 
I didn't even know that was a 

2024
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:54,720
thing. 
Yeah. 

2025
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,760
And then there's the I'm going 
to, I'm just going to say Bishop

2026
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:00,720
because I don't know what his 
rank is here. 

2027
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,720
But here's this Bishop from 
behind the curtain, which I 

2028
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,040
assume this is where the hand 
comes out and you have to do the

2029
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:09,600
secret handshakes. 
And then here's a guy dressed in

2030
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,080
all black with a black face and 
everything. 

2031
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,400
The devil comes. 
Yeah, they. 

2032
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,680
Is that the devil? 
The devil looks like the Tin 

2033
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,640
Man. 
I'm assuming that it yeah, that 

2034
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,200
it's representing. 
They changed it a whole lot. 

2035
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,560
And then here's a guy laying on 
his back with a knife to his 

2036
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:29,960
throw on a table in front of a 
bunch of guys and gals. 

2037
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,680
And then she looks like she's 
wearing this endowment veil or 

2038
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:35,200
something. 
So she probably, she probably 

2039
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:38,600
already went into the tub naked 
and now they get to watch this. 

2040
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:43,120
This would have been an 
action-packed day for a Mormon 

2041
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,120
that normally is just like doing
laundry and all of a sudden 

2042
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:49,000
you're getting poked in the knee
and you're watching your husband

2043
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,400
with a knife against his throat 
doing like, weird, mystical. 

2044
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:52,880
Stuff. 
Could you imagine how? 

2045
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:55,400
Crawling around the ground 
trauma. 

2046
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:58,880
Like go home from that. 
Like the I was traumatized with 

2047
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,040
the little trauma I went 
through. 

2048
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,800
This is a whole nother level. 
This. 

2049
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,400
This, I would argue, is the 
point. 

2050
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:09,760
The point is that you would 
never forget this moment for the

2051
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,560
rest of your life when you had a
knife to your throat, which 

2052
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:15,640
isn't something that most normal
people go through in their 

2053
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,240
average daily lives, but. 
Don't you think? 

2054
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:22,720
I don't, I don't know if they 
had more input back then, but I 

2055
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:27,160
think before you go and do all 
this stuff, there should be a, a

2056
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,920
really good explanation before. 
And I know they can't give out 

2057
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:33,200
all their secrets, but like, 
they should kind of let you know

2058
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:36,440
a little bit what's happening so
you don't agree to something 

2059
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:39,520
that I wouldn't have agreed to 
had I known. 

2060
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:41,720
Right. 
Well, it's that that's the the 

2061
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:46,000
rub here, because if we're 
talking Masonry, you're not even

2062
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:50,240
allowed to join until you're 
like 19 or 20 and it's 

2063
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,360
voluntary. 
You don't get drafted in, you 

2064
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:55,760
don't get like there's. 
They give you an idea like, hey,

2065
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:57,600
some weird shit's gonna happen, 
man. 

2066
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:03,640
I don't think so, but in in the 
90s through now, like chances 

2067
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:06,680
are you've heard of Mason 
conspiracy theory. 

2068
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:10,400
So you already know that it's 
not just going to be and here's 

2069
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,000
your, you know, your crackers 
and your cake or whatever. 

2070
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,560
Like, there's going to be 
something to it. 

2071
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:18,960
In Mormonism. 
You have absolutely no idea that

2072
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,240
any of this is happening. 
And you're like, wait a minute, 

2073
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:23,120
we play with knives now. 
Like. 

2074
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:26,360
No, yeah, I was shook. 
And it wasn't even the knife. 

2075
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,480
I mean, just the whole thing. 
And I was like people always say

2076
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,880
to me, yeah, but you broke you. 
No, my grandma did. 

2077
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:36,120
I, I miss the knife part, thank 
heavens. 

2078
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:40,080
But we still do all these OS, 
you know, we didn't do the ones 

2079
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:42,080
where we had to cut out our 
tongue and all that. 

2080
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,040
But my grandma did not my great 
grandma, my grandma. 

2081
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:49,600
And so I'm like, this is nuts. 
Like they should at least give 

2082
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,120
you some idea of what you're 
doing. 

2083
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:57,240
If it's, I mean, I just honestly
thought like, no big deal. 

2084
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,960
You know, somebody is pounding 
on my door. 

2085
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,680
Oh, OK, the kids are getting it.
Sorry, I think it's my neighbor.

2086
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:10,360
They do the cop knock. 
Scary, we heard. 

2087
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,120
We heard you're giving away the 
secrets of endowment up there. 

2088
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:14,720
What are you doing? 
Thanks doc. 

2089
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:19,440
OK. 
And so I think that to be fair, 

2090
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:22,080
like I was told this is going to
be the happiest day of your 

2091
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,960
life. 
You look forward to this since 

2092
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:27,080
you were like born. 
You're told like little songs 

2093
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,360
from the minute you can talk, 
like I'm going to go to the 

2094
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:31,280
temple someday. 
The prophet wants me to. 

2095
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,240
There's a whole song about it. 
You think you're going to just 

2096
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:37,080
be going to heaven. 
That's all You think about all 

2097
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:40,000
of this stuff like. 
And I always tell people, look, 

2098
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,880
I know you think I'm a bad 
person because I broke the 

2099
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,680
secrets, but I think they're bad
people because they didn't tell 

2100
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,880
me what was up or I wouldn't 
have made the secret. 

2101
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,040
Like I'm not not a good secret 
keeper. 

2102
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,920
I just don't appreciate being 
lied to. 

2103
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,880
Like that's a lot, you know, I, 
I don't know. 

2104
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:02,200
This, this one I think was one 
of the more interesting and I 

2105
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:03,760
think this is the last one on 
this page. 

2106
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:08,640
And this one shows the endowment
ceremony, I think from start to 

2107
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:11,760
finish, at least the 19th 
century version of this. 

2108
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:16,320
So it just has a room full of 
women sitting in these chairs 

2109
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:19,240
with like little hats on. 
And then it looks like they all 

2110
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,200
get called. 
It's like, hey, we're, we're 

2111
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:23,600
doing a thing now. 
So they all walk into the next 

2112
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:28,600
room and then the lady meets 
Satan. 

2113
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:33,280
I'm going to assume this guy, 
I'm assuming so she meets Satan.

2114
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:38,320
Satan shows her a tree with 
fruit on it. 

2115
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:42,480
So I'm assuming this is the 
snake leading Eve into the, you 

2116
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,720
know, the garden and like, oh, 
here's the tree of knowledge, 

2117
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,880
good and evil. 
And then everyone gathers under 

2118
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:54,920
this big tree. 
And then this guy with a funny 

2119
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:58,880
little apron on is like, hey, 
you're wearing an apron too. 

2120
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,360
Chase them around the room. 
Yeah, this used to be like a 

2121
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:09,280
whole play. 
OK, I mean, this is interesting.

2122
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,240
I never heard this before. 
So now, now they're playing 

2123
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:15,520
like, you know, chase down the 
the terrified Mormon women that 

2124
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,480
have absolutely no idea what's 
going on. 

2125
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:21,280
She was just talking to Satan. 
There's a bunch of them hiding 

2126
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:25,120
behind chairs as this one guy is
like hunting them down. 

2127
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:30,280
And then finally here's Satan 
again crawling on the ground. 

2128
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:33,680
I'm not sure exactly what takes 
place on this one. 

2129
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:37,200
That is 1 limber Satan because 
usually they're like in their 

2130
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:42,280
70s and they just got a black. 
Apron and he he's wearing the 

2131
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:44,480
apple bottom jeans. 
I can see it from here. 

2132
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:48,240
Got his stretchy pants. 
And then finally they have this 

2133
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:51,600
grand wizard Bishop guy kind of 
like pushes them all out of the 

2134
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:54,800
temple and he's like, don't tell
anyone what you saw here today. 

2135
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,920
And that was I'm. 
Assuming that might be God like 

2136
01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,280
maybe God. 
Or yeah, actually you're right, 

2137
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:02,840
because the each of these have 
names. 

2138
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:07,040
So the very first step is 
listening to Elohim and Jehovah.

2139
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:10,840
So that's what they're doing in 
the room, then appropriating an 

2140
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,320
Eve. 
So I guess they select one of 

2141
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:15,160
the. 
Mysteries. 

2142
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:16,800
They're showing the. 
Mysteries. 

2143
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:22,080
She's the one that's going to 
get chosen in this next Satan 

2144
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,760
tempting Eve. 
We got that right, tasting the 

2145
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:29,320
forbidden fruit in the garden of
even putting on the fig leaf, so

2146
01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:32,480
that I guess this apron is the 
fig leaf. 

2147
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:34,240
We do that still. 
Version of. 

2148
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:40,080
That yes, we do that still, Yep.
Which in in a cult book club 

2149
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,600
that I did with Juan Ayala. 
Shout out Juan. 

2150
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:44,400
Come on. 
Come on. 

2151
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:47,760
One of the come out of your 
hidey hole, Juan, after you're 

2152
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,200
done with your impoundment 
ritual. 

2153
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:53,720
The Masons have been linked. 
I think this was a Manley Palmer

2154
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:57,120
Hall book that he wrote that the
Masons put on the apron because 

2155
01:59:57,120 --> 02:00:00,760
it was an ancient Egyptian 
practice that was supposed to 

2156
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:05,720
block your sort of sexual 
energies from interfering with 

2157
02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:07,800
the rest of your daily work. 
So that you were. 

2158
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:09,760
And that's why it's a white 
apron. 

2159
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,840
It's supposed to be like this 
pure shield, like an RFID 

2160
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:15,040
blocker for your genitals I 
guess. 

2161
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,480
I don't think it worked for 
Joseph for any of them. 

2162
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:22,880
Yeah, well, yeah, it's because 
it was like made out of silk and

2163
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,440
it kind of started rubbing him 
in a certain. 

2164
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:26,720
Way it was green and green is 
Satan's color, yeah. 

2165
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:33,160
Hiding from OK so this is Elohim
like God is now chasing you 

2166
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:35,600
around like. 
Oh, because, Because, you know, 

2167
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,280
I know you. 
Yeah, 'cause you're hiding from 

2168
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:40,400
your shame. 
They still do that, but they 

2169
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:42,000
don't make you run around. 
Yeah. 

2170
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:46,600
Satan before Elohim and then 
finally the cursed and driven 

2171
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:50,040
from the Garden of Eden. 
So the, the whole, entire thing 

2172
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:53,280
played out as that you were, you
know, going back through the 

2173
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:56,400
Garden of Eden, you're finding 
Satan and you're, you're 

2174
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:59,920
experiencing the tempted fruit 
and that this was part of the 

2175
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:03,400
endowment ceremony. 
For women, yeah, of course. 

2176
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:06,920
Well, no, it's for men too. 
We, they do the same thing. 

2177
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:10,160
I think it's just they separate 
the men and the women and then 

2178
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:13,600
they bring you together. 
Nowadays you're on one side and 

2179
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:15,480
they're on the other, but you're
in the same room. 

2180
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:18,000
So I don't know, maybe they. 
Definitely see the in the fig 

2181
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:20,800
leaf scene where they're putting
on the aprons 'cause they're 

2182
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,160
there away you got the the 
beards in the background. 

2183
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:27,400
Yep, there we go. 
Yeah, they're there, but they 

2184
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,080
didn't show like the true order 
of prayer. 

2185
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:32,880
There's a lot missing. 
But I mean, whatever, they're 

2186
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,360
not going to show everything. 
And then you got to go, you 

2187
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:39,320
know, learn all the handshakes 
to pass by the angels and 

2188
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:41,680
Sentinels or you won't go to 
heaven. 

2189
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:44,080
If you screw it up 'cause you 
just are forgetful. 

2190
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:48,280
You're just a deep shit. 
You are not going to heaven so. 

2191
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:53,240
I assume that this is one of 
those secret handshakes right 

2192
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:56,640
here, like a three-way handshake
or something. 

2193
02:01:56,640 --> 02:01:58,440
Did you have a three-way 
handshake? 

2194
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:01,320
We did not have a three-way, but
I think what he's doing is 

2195
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:05,240
teaching those two to do it and 
then like he's moving. 

2196
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:11,160
There now Kius. 
There it is now, your sister 

2197
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:17,360
wives OJK. 
Again, again, just another 

2198
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:23,120
version of Brigham Young with an
army full of old maids behind 

2199
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:27,200
him that are going to charge 
into this battle that are just 

2200
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:29,840
filled with and for some reason 
they're all wearing like, Marie 

2201
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:32,760
Antoinette wigs or something. 
I'm not really sure what the 

2202
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:35,880
aesthetic is of that. 
That I. 

2203
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:40,000
Do not know. 
Here's another example of blood 

2204
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:42,800
atonement. 
Actually, that's a true account 

2205
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:47,560
if I think I think that possibly
is the Anderson case depicted 

2206
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:52,120
there and they really did kill 
him and funny enough for. 

2207
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,160
His own goods, though, for his 
own good. 

2208
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:57,680
Blood atoned in Cedar City, UT 
'cause I think I've seen this 

2209
02:02:57,680 --> 02:03:03,240
photo before. 
So but he went out there, he 

2210
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:05,760
dressed in his best clothes and 
he was like, OK, let's get this 

2211
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,320
shit done. 
Like he was fine about it. 

2212
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,080
I think they're killing him 
because he has a better beard 

2213
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:15,760
than either of these two guys. 
I think maybe. 

2214
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:19,600
I mean I also think it's funny 
like he got in trouble for 

2215
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:21,880
cheating on his wife. 
Why didn't he just marry her 

2216
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:26,640
like the other new wife? 
Like what Anyway? 

2217
02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:33,760
Secret society. 
Mormon Danites aiming at West 

2218
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:35,840
travelling pioneers moving 
through Utah. 

2219
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:39,440
There we go, Matt Meadows. 
Considered a secret society. 

2220
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:44,000
I mean, people knew about them 
anyway. 

2221
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:48,800
They were the, you know, 
basically the ones taking care 

2222
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:55,040
of business, so. 
And then here's the yearbook of 

2223
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:59,160
his actual wives. 
There's some of them. 

2224
02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:01,040
They couldn't fit all 55 on one 
page. 

2225
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:04,560
Obviously he's got some old 
maids in there. 

2226
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:08,840
They're really pushing Noah. 
The one on the bottom right kind

2227
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:13,480
of looks like questionable. 
My one in the middle is more 

2228
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:17,360
questionable than that, but. 
We're not, we're not here to to 

2229
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:23,400
judge his taste in his 55 wives.
No, there's. 

2230
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:25,840
Some strangeness. 
Like a like a conehead, but 

2231
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:28,160
this. 
This one right here is a Gray. 

2232
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:34,920
I mean, whatever. 
Sorry if that's your ancestors, 

2233
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:38,680
anybody just saying. 
Well, aren't Mormons all sort of

2234
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:41,080
related if the timeline 
stretches back far enough? 

2235
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:42,520
Just like you're related to the 
game, right? 

2236
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:44,800
That means they're all related. 
To the game. 

2237
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,960
Yep, absolutely. 
Like I, I really honestly think 

2238
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:53,280
that, you know, with all of the 
whole mixing, be hard pressed to

2239
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:57,000
find people that were from real 
pioneer heritage that weren't 

2240
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:00,400
related. 
Yeah, Well, we're going to have 

2241
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:03,160
another extreme version of this 
episode. 

2242
02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:07,000
We will have Jacob, Isabel on. 
We will have Andreas on. 

2243
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:10,000
We left a little bit of extra 
talking points just for them 

2244
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,760
because I think they might also 
have some interesting takes on 

2245
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:18,880
this transition from the wild 
out W pioneer, you know, like 

2246
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:23,760
bloodthirsty sort of rugged 
individual versus the modern 

2247
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:27,680
clean cut Mormon like that was. 
I think we've proven in this and

2248
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:30,360
in previous episodes, it was 
calculated. 

2249
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:31,920
It didn't just accidentally 
happen. 

2250
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,600
There was a transition. 
Someone sat down and said, 

2251
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:38,040
here's the new way. 
We need to shed ourselves of 

2252
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,400
this old image and adopt A new 
image. 

2253
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:42,840
And this new image is going to 
make it more approachable. 

2254
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:44,720
People invite you into their 
houses. 

2255
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:47,920
You know, they were going to 
take their, their money. 

2256
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,800
I mean, that's what it all came 
down to is the government was 

2257
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:52,480
like, look, we're not playing 
with you. 

2258
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:55,480
We'll come and take your shit. 
And if you don't cut it out, 

2259
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:58,000
we're going to take your temple 
that you're almost done building

2260
02:05:58,280 --> 02:06:00,960
and we're going to take all your
money and we're going to take 

2261
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:03,880
everything you own. 
So do you want to be in the in 

2262
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:07,840
the United States or not? 
And PS, we bought Utah, ha ha, 

2263
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:11,520
it's not state of Deseret 
anymore, so clean it up, crack 

2264
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:12,680
whore. 
And I think that's what they 

2265
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:15,640
did. 
Like they were like, oops, 

2266
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:19,480
better get it together, you 
know, I mean, but also you have 

2267
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:22,280
to understand, like during that 
whole time frame, he helps them 

2268
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:24,840
with the railroads. 
And then the railroads are 

2269
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:29,680
helping by making their sugar, 
which was their huge commodity. 

2270
02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:32,520
They were one of the first to 
produce one of the worst things 

2271
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:34,480
for us ever, which is beet 
sugar. 

2272
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:38,320
And so they're shipping their 
products as well. 

2273
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:39,880
So it all became part of 
business. 

2274
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:43,840
But I will tell you guys, 
Brigham Young was 110% in good 

2275
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:48,440
with a lot of the railroaders. 
And Joseph Smith himself was 

2276
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:52,440
part of the Rockefellers. 
He was cousins to the 

2277
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:55,840
Rockefellers. 
So like. 

2278
02:06:57,560 --> 02:07:02,280
Well before cane sugar and way 
before high fructose corn syrup,

2279
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:06,280
beet sugar was the main source 
of sugar for a lot. 

2280
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:09,680
And even the the red coloring 
from beets was one of the 

2281
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:13,480
original red pigments that got 
used in food as food coloring. 

2282
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:16,880
So. 
And they, they said, they said 

2283
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:19,160
we will finish this sugar 
company. 

2284
02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:22,640
This is the prophet of the 
church at that time, whether it 

2285
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:25,920
even kills us, like basically, 
you're not a good Mormon if 

2286
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:29,800
you're not here to help us and 
we will finish it or bankrupt 

2287
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:32,560
the church. 
He was like, no, no joke, I'm 

2288
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:34,880
finishing it. 
So. 

2289
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:38,320
You, you mentioned something. 
I'll, I'll, we'll start winding 

2290
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:43,280
it down on this that Uncle Sam 
threatened. 

2291
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:46,640
Like, we'll take away all your 
stuff if you don't shape up a 

2292
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:51,000
little bit, right? 
So recently I put out this album

2293
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:55,240
that's got the monthly Mormon 
Monday theme song, right, The 

2294
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:58,080
beginning of the album. 
You can stream this for free on 

2295
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:02,280
Spotify and everywhere else. 
It's called Modern Mormon music 

2296
02:08:02,360 --> 02:08:04,480
by Sound Scientists. 
That's me. 

2297
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:07,520
That's my other name. 
And there's a song on here 

2298
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:12,080
called A Song of 1857, and I 
don't know if if it'll show me 

2299
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:15,680
the original artist. 
Let's see if I've got it in 

2300
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:17,960
here. 
Yeah, right here. 

2301
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:22,800
Utah Rebels. 
So if you search for Utah Rebels

2302
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:27,680
Song of 1857, I wonder if it'll 
pop up right here. 

2303
02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:34,440
It's about the Mormons mocking 
the government for making all 

2304
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:36,760
these threats and never 
delivering on them. 

2305
02:08:36,760 --> 02:08:40,360
For example, this and I. 
I thought that this is such a 

2306
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:44,400
snarky, sassy little song for 
being from 1857. 

2307
02:08:44,680 --> 02:08:46,240
Listen to some of these lyrics 
though. 

2308
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:51,960
When Uncle Sam first set out his
army to destroy us, he said the 

2309
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:55,280
Mormons he will rout. 
They shall longer no longer 

2310
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:58,600
shall annoy us. 
The force he sent was competent 

2311
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:02,920
to try and hang us for treason. 
I mean, it would have been, but 

2312
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:06,080
do you know the reason? 
There's a great commotion in the

2313
02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:09,080
East and the Mormon question? 
The problem is, to say the 

2314
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,240
least, too much for their 
digestion. 

2315
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:15,760
And we're going to go up the the
plot singing a musty little 

2316
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,120
ditty. 
We'll do this and we'll do that 

2317
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:21,840
when we get to Salt Lake City. 
This is like the the Uncle Sam's

2318
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:23,320
army. 
Like we're gonna, we're gonna 

2319
02:09:23,320 --> 02:09:25,240
kill those Mormons. 
We're gonna hang them. 

2320
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:29,040
And sure enough, when they got 
there, they made the Mormons 

2321
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:30,040
stir. 
Sir. 

2322
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:32,280
That is, I mean, they would 
have. 

2323
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:35,600
Oh, but they didn't get there. 
Like, it's a like every time. 

2324
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:37,160
This whole entire song. 
Is like. 

2325
02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:41,440
Uncle Sam's gonna like, come in 
here and like, kill us, and he's

2326
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:44,400
gonna do all this stuff, but you
didn't actually make it. 

2327
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:47,840
And here's the other one, too. 
We'll hang each man who has two 

2328
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:50,240
wives. 
We've got plenty of rope handy. 

2329
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:54,080
I mean, they would have had, but
Smith burned it on Sandy. 

2330
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:56,000
I don't know what that means, 
but I know. 

2331
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:00,920
That, I wonder. 
I wonder if that's who they 

2332
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:06,760
killed for witchcraft. 
Oh, Sandy, we'll have to. 

2333
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:08,600
Great, I'll have to look up her 
name. 

2334
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:13,160
But like the the entire song, I 
thought like, there we'll go. 

2335
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:16,800
We'll take on Brigham Young and 
Heber, his companion, that is. 

2336
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:20,560
I mean, they would have done, 
but we're afraid of Echo Canyon.

2337
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:24,080
So again, it's like every single
lyric of this song is just 

2338
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:28,600
absolutely mocking the fact that
the US force is actually back 

2339
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:31,280
down now. 
I don't know how much of this is

2340
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,720
consistent and how much of it is
just like them coping and and 

2341
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:37,880
saying like we're harder than 
you, but. 

2342
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:44,120
I can't believe it there is a 
Mormon war documented with the 

2343
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:48,000
government and the Mormons were 
not to be messed with. 

2344
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,920
They were kind of scary and and 
so I mean, I kind of believe it 

2345
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:54,120
too. 
And for those who are asking on 

2346
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:58,520
Rockefeller through Nelson 
Rockefeller, seventh cousin 2 

2347
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:03,680
times removed, just FYI on that.
So just I like to bring my 

2348
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:08,320
receipts because yeah, but I do 
know that they were worried and 

2349
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:12,040
they also were super close with 
a lot of the Native Americans 

2350
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:15,880
and they would use their help 
and ambush people clearly as 

2351
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:18,760
we've seen. 
So I think what they saw with 

2352
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,680
this whole especially the Baker 
Fancher party, like not I don't 

2353
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:26,840
think people fully realize like 
how brutal even the women were. 

2354
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:30,400
Like they took their children 
that were under 8 because we 

2355
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:33,720
couldn't kill the ones that were
under 8 because then they can't 

2356
02:11:33,720 --> 02:11:36,160
go to heaven. 
And so they're considered 

2357
02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:38,400
innocents. 
And when they got the new 

2358
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,640
dresses from their husbands that
were like the mothers, like 

2359
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:44,480
these kids as mothers, they 
would wear it in front of the 

2360
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:47,360
little kid and be like, do you 
like my new dress? 

2361
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:51,520
Like these people were not 
normal. 

2362
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:54,760
This is not normal. 
Like this kid is like 7 and 

2363
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:58,720
under. 
And so they didn't give their 

2364
02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:01,560
kids back for years and years 
and years. 

2365
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:06,760
Yeah, it was just bad. 
Like they didn't care who 

2366
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:09,640
parades around in a dead woman's
dress in front of her kid. 

2367
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:12,520
Mormons. 
Weird. 

2368
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:16,960
Just saying. 
They also I feel. 

2369
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:19,000
Like that would have been the 
perfect just ending. 

2370
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:24,600
They also married into those 
native bloodlines for their and 

2371
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:28,960
remember how I told you I I knew
I was Mick Mack a little bit 

2372
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,880
Mick Mack native. 
And and I finally found a little

2373
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:36,760
journal entry about this 
speaking about how they would 

2374
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:40,920
marry into Native American 
cultures because they knew that 

2375
02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:45,760
they knew the magical properties
the same like magic and they 

2376
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:49,160
wanted to pass that on through 
their bloodline like their sixth

2377
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:53,840
sense or like ESP type stuff. 
Yeah, that was real. 

2378
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:57,560
So. 
Did you ever, when you were 

2379
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:01,200
Mormon, did you ever hear of the
concept of indigo children? 

2380
02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:08,720
Yes, yes, Yep. 
SO and my grandma, just FYI, was

2381
02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:12,440
obsessed with this that and 
genealogy and she had these 

2382
02:13:12,440 --> 02:13:14,600
stupid Kachina dolls all over 
her house. 

2383
02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:17,880
And I was like, bro, this is 
some dark shit. 

2384
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,520
Like I don't think you should 
have those here. 

2385
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,920
She was obsessed. 
She must have known she I'm 

2386
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:27,000
assuming she got the second 
anointing now that I know, but 

2387
02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:29,160
my mom kept a couple of those 
dolls and I was like. 

2388
02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:34,960
I thought that was men only. 
But for the no, for the no, 

2389
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:36,440
second anointing's for 
everybody. 

2390
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:39,360
I didn't know that. 
Yeah, you get to go to heaven 

2391
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:41,720
forever too. 
And I'll tell you, when she was 

2392
02:13:41,720 --> 02:13:44,680
dying and this isn't made-up, we
were praying for her. 

2393
02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:46,920
And she'd been in like a coma 
for two days. 

2394
02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:50,840
And my mom's like, all she said 
was she put her hand on her head

2395
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:56,040
and said Jesus loves you. 
And the most guttural, scary 

2396
02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:58,600
scream came out of her. 
She popped out of her weird 

2397
02:13:58,600 --> 02:14:01,480
little coma. 
And I was like, that's it, 

2398
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:03,720
'cause I was already estranged 
from her, 'cause she did all 

2399
02:14:03,720 --> 02:14:06,360
that weird shit to me. 
And I was like, Nope, we're 

2400
02:14:06,360 --> 02:14:07,920
getting the Ativan. 
I am. 

2401
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:10,800
Duh. 
Uh, uh, I was, I was like, no, 

2402
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:13,320
I'm either going home or this 
lady's getting drugged. 

2403
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:15,960
One of the two. 
So yeah. 

2404
02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:18,760
I told you a Mormon zombie movie
is is overdue. 

2405
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:22,720
I'm telling you, I'm telling you
there's something there. 

2406
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:27,680
It's not normal so. 
Well, you said that you've got a

2407
02:14:27,680 --> 02:14:30,320
pretty big show coming up. 
Do you have a date for it yet? 

2408
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:35,880
Oh yeah, I hope it happens. 
So the end of July. 

2409
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:39,840
Are we going to say what it is? 
I don't know. 

2410
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:41,240
Should we? 
I don't know. 

2411
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:42,920
I'll say it this way. 
I'll say. 

2412
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:44,440
It through scheduled to get 
through scheduled. 

2413
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:49,600
At the end of July, I'm supposed
to be on, you know, that show 

2414
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:54,440
that has a three letters. 
That's the big, big show. 

2415
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,880
No TFH. 
So we'll see. 

2416
02:14:57,880 --> 02:14:59,320
We'll see. 
I hope so. 

2417
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:04,000
It's scheduled, so we'll see. 
Long overdue. 

2418
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,520
I think it's going to be one of 
the more interesting ones. 

2419
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:09,040
I think it'll have a lot of 
comments. 

2420
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:13,440
So I would just feel like either
don't read the comments at all 

2421
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:16,360
or go in with just like 
Chainmail. 

2422
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:20,440
I can't remember. 
I can't remember what the the 

2423
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:23,000
comment was that Juan kept 
sending me from my first 

2424
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:27,680
appearance on on Tinfoil, but it
was like like, who's this like 

2425
02:15:27,800 --> 02:15:29,520
fat baby with a beard or 
something like that? 

2426
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:33,840
That was like the the main 
comment on that. 

2427
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:37,720
Well, mine will definitely be 
very interesting, I'm sure 

2428
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:40,320
'cause there's a lot of people 
that are Mormon that definitely 

2429
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:43,880
have not heard about, you know, 
the mysteries or all the things 

2430
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:46,400
I speak of and think I'm totally
bash it crazy. 

2431
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:50,880
So usually it's about some sort 
of comment like this is a nice 

2432
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:55,920
autism she has here and I'm like
whatever OK wrong wrong 

2433
02:15:55,920 --> 02:16:00,440
diagnosis, I have ADHD. 
You've also got some serious 

2434
02:16:00,440 --> 02:16:03,880
receipts, so anytime someone 
brings up that criticism, you 

2435
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:05,880
can just show them like, well, 
here's my Mormon card. 

2436
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:11,600
I mean, you know, we do what we 
can, but I guess, I guess people

2437
02:16:11,600 --> 02:16:14,400
can decide for themselves and, 
and look at my work. 

2438
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,120
I mean, I have almost 200 
episodes, I think. 

2439
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:21,120
And that's just with me, like on
my show, not my appearances or 

2440
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:23,680
anything else. 
And I just think, you know, if 

2441
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:27,320
you really wanted to learn, 
there's a lot of stuff out there

2442
02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:29,680
you could look up and just prove
me wrong. 

2443
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:33,280
Cool, prove me wrong. 
I mean, I highly recommend the 

2444
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:37,160
first few episodes of this show,
Monthly Mormon Monday, where we 

2445
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:42,320
go through and you explain to 
me, a complete newcomer, exactly

2446
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:47,160
about the toad and the stones 
and the amulets and the magic 

2447
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:49,799
underwear. 
And we've had pro Mormons and 

2448
02:16:49,799 --> 02:16:53,879
anti Mormons and all sorts of 
different people on this show 

2449
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:56,639
and you've been able to hold up 
your end with all of them. 

2450
02:16:56,639 --> 02:16:59,360
So kudos to that. 
And I think that it'll just be 

2451
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:01,600
more of the same on whatever 
show you go on. 

2452
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:04,760
Well thank you for that. 
I'm nervous about it but I hope 

2453
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:06,879
it happens. 
I don't know if I can bring my 

2454
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:10,920
receipts but I'm going to try. 
They said that Sam also has the 

2455
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:16,000
ADHD so just to bring lots of 
notes and I'm like that's fair, 

2456
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,360
I get it. 
But I'll have the reference 

2457
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:20,719
episode regardless so people can
go check it out. 

2458
02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:25,600
Because ultimately I came into 
this for a little bit of fun, 

2459
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:27,799
but to teach people the things 
they didn't know. 

2460
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:33,000
And I'm not one to judge. 
Like, I think that, you know, 

2461
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:37,600
you need to look at it yourself,
research the things. 

2462
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:40,280
Don't just say Heidi has a big 
nose. 

2463
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:47,360
Like, OK, cool, cool story, 
right. 

2464
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:50,280
Whatever. 
So I'm excited for that. 

2465
02:17:50,680 --> 02:17:51,959
What are we going to do next 
time? 

2466
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:55,600
Yeah, I'm. 
I'm in the middle of a Solomon, 

2467
02:17:55,600 --> 02:17:58,600
King Solomon series right now 
with Robbie Marks. 

2468
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:02,840
Everybody's we're on the second 
one right now and he does a 

2469
02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:04,600
really good job at explaining 
some of it. 

2470
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:08,160
So it made a lot more sense to 
me when we deep dough, 

2471
02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:12,559
especially Zoroastrianism, I was
like, right, this makes so much 

2472
02:18:12,559 --> 02:18:15,680
sense now. 
I you know, it helps you if you 

2473
02:18:15,680 --> 02:18:18,200
were Mormon, if you used to be a
Mormon or are a Mormon, you 

2474
02:18:18,200 --> 02:18:20,120
might be very interested in that
one. 

2475
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:25,040
And other than that, always 
running around doing all kinds 

2476
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:27,080
of things. 
You never know with me whatever 

2477
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:31,280
strikes my fancy. 
But I will say my newest one for

2478
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:35,280
the Howard Hughes is coming out 
soon and that is Onassis and it 

2479
02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:38,200
is taking me exactly 3 times 
longer than I thought it would 

2480
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:44,559
because that cat, holy cow, I I 
wasn't prepared for all of those

2481
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:46,240
rabbit holes. 
That was wild. 

2482
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:50,440
I'm on my Facebook. 
For a guy named Aristotle in the

2483
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:53,080
20th century, yeah, he's going 
to be a little wild. 

2484
02:18:53,799 --> 02:18:57,639
Yeah, his and his dad, all of 
them are named very strange. 

2485
02:18:57,639 --> 02:19:01,440
So yeah, for sure, for sure. 
It was a lot. 5th book. 

2486
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:04,639
When I finished that book, I'll 
be ready just so I don't miss 

2487
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:08,160
anything if I can, you know? 
So what are we going to do on 

2488
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:12,000
our next one? 
Well, if if Jacob, Isbell and 

2489
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:15,840
Andreas are able to make it, we 
will do an Mormon Beard Extreme 

2490
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:18,879
edition. 
Otherwise, we have a whole list 

2491
02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:21,680
of different Mormon topics that 
we've already kind of been 

2492
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:23,920
baking. 
So I'll, I'll let it be a 

2493
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:27,200
surprise, but we've got a 
schedule of a bunch of different

2494
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:28,959
topics that we're going to work 
our way through. 

2495
02:19:29,320 --> 02:19:31,440
And I think that you're going to
be happy with them. 

2496
02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:33,120
I think everyone's going to find
them entertaining. 

2497
02:19:33,799 --> 02:19:37,600
I I definitely liked all of the 
ideas presented, so I'm excited 

2498
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:39,480
to do this. 
So I think it'll be fun. 

2499
02:19:39,520 --> 02:19:41,480
Much love to everybody out there
in the chat. 

2500
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:44,480
Yeah, thank you guys. 
Heidi's busy. 

2501
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:47,520
I've got another documentary 
series that I've been working on

2502
02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:50,000
with Sean Chris from Kill the 
Mockingbirds. 

2503
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:54,320
It's called Under the Docks. 
Those ones come out on Tuesdays.

2504
02:19:54,600 --> 02:20:00,440
So tomorrow at about 3:30 
Eastern, we're starting Alex 

2505
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:04,560
Jones Month, where we rewatch 3 
classic Alex Jones 

2506
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:08,640
documentaries, see how they held
up, give them kind of some 

2507
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:11,280
general ratings. 
We do a little bit of of 

2508
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:14,440
critique on them. 
And then after that, we were 

2509
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:16,920
doing like a Michael Moore month
to kind of balance it out. 

2510
02:20:16,920 --> 02:20:20,000
We figure if we went all in on 
Alex Jones and we go all in on 

2511
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:22,480
Michael Moore, it was 
interesting. 

2512
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:23,680
So I'm excited. 
For. 

2513
02:20:23,960 --> 02:20:27,960
Everyone to come and see those. 
And yeah, and aside from that, 

2514
02:20:27,960 --> 02:20:31,960
too, the Illuminati comic is 
finally out and available for 

2515
02:20:31,960 --> 02:20:34,160
everyone. 
So if you've been waiting since 

2516
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:38,360
last December, which is when the
Kickstarter campaign ended, now 

2517
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:39,600
is the time. 
You can go to 

2518
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:43,000
illuminaticomic.com and it'll 
bring you right to the page 

2519
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:45,880
where you can grab a copy. 
We've got I think like a few 

2520
02:20:45,880 --> 02:20:48,320
thousand left and then they'll 
be gone for good. 

2521
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:51,120
And I think we pre sold like 
over 5000 of these things. 

2522
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:54,200
So they're out in the world, 
which is so cool to just imagine

2523
02:20:54,200 --> 02:20:57,040
there's like thousands of these 
floating around and someone at 

2524
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:00,680
some gas station at some point 
in the future is gonna walk by 

2525
02:21:00,680 --> 02:21:02,840
and be like, did that say what I
think it said? 

2526
02:21:02,840 --> 02:21:05,440
And what's that? 
Kinky shit he was doing. 

2527
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:08,840
I did. 
I did that in the airport when I

2528
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:13,320
was flying back from Alaska. 
I left one of those pamphlets 

2529
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:16,520
out on a table next to a 
Starbucks in a high traffic area

2530
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:20,120
in the airport. 
And I saw a lady walk by and 

2531
02:21:20,200 --> 02:21:22,800
pick it up and sit down and like
was showing it to her friend 

2532
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:26,120
and, and I was just like, this 
is what I'm doing it for. 

2533
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:29,520
It's just to like spread it to 
some random normie in an airport

2534
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:32,000
terminal somewhere. 
So they're going to like show it

2535
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,600
to their friends and be like, 
what the hell did I just find? 

2536
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:37,680
What is this earless Yoda doing?
Oh, wait. 

2537
02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:41,560
All right. 
Well, thank you again, Heidi. 

2538
02:21:41,560 --> 02:21:44,840
We'll see you guys on the next 
monthly Mormon Monday with guest

2539
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:47,000
in tow. 
See you at the next one. 

2540
02:21:47,000 --> 02:22:00,800
Bye bye. 
I scribbled my life away, 

2541
02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:03,840
dripping the right page. 
Will it enlight your brain, give

2542
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:07,600
you the flight McClain paper, 
the highs ablaze, somewhat of an

2543
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:10,080
amazing feel. 
When it's real, the real you 

2544
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:13,040
will engage with your favorite. 
Of course, the Lord of an 

2545
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:15,520
arrangement. 
I gave you the proper results to

2546
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:18,000
hit the pavement. 
If they get emotional hate, 

2547
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:20,840
maybe your language, your game, 
how they planned it well, 

2548
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:23,920
without Lakers evade them, 
whatever the course they are. 

2549
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:27,480
The shapeship snakes get 
decapitated matters The apex 

2550
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:29,520
execution. 
The flame you out. 

2551
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:33,600
Nuclear bomb distributed at war.
Rather gruesome for eyes to see.

2552
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:35,760
Maxim out. 
Then I light my trees. 

2553
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:38,760
Blow it off in the face. 
You're despising me for what, 

2554
02:22:38,760 --> 02:22:39,920
though? 
Calculated. 

2555
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:42,280
You'd rather cut throat? 
Paranoid American. 

2556
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:44,160
Must be all the blood smoke. 
For real. 

2557
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:45,840
Lord, give me your day. 
Your way. 

2558
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:47,600
Vacate. 
They wait around. 

2559
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:49,800
They hate whatever they say. 
Man. 

2560
02:22:49,800 --> 02:22:53,360
It's not in the least bit. 
We get heavy rotate when the 

2561
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:54,600
beat hits. 
So thank us. 

2562
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:56,480
You're well. 
Fucking *** for real. 

2563
02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:58,520
You're welcome. 
They ain't never had.