You're feeling a bit like Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole.
You take the blue pill, the story ends.
You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want.
You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you
how deep the rabbit hole goes. Alice.
Alice.
Alice, I'm awake.
Are you? Let's go now to our new episode
of The Unfiltered Rise with me, Heidi Love Hello everyone, and
welcome to The Unfiltered Rise. And today I have a wonderful
guest here with me and he is a #1 bestseller of two books,
right? They're both made out on the
bestsellers list. Yes, Judgement of the Nephilim
and the final Nephilim. He is also an attorney and he is
also a theologist that is studying in the Bible and Hebrew
as well, Correct? Absolutely.
Yes. Did I miss anything?
That's that's great. Yeah.
So and also a father of two wonderful children.
Husbands, an amazing. Wife.
Son of a very, very, very serious.
The most. That's the most important things
right there. Family is the most important
part. Absolutely, absolutely.
And I'm excited to talk to you cuz I did go through and I have
maybe some out-of-the-box questions that maybe you haven't
been asked before too, hopefully.
Excellent. Excellent.
I'm excited. Yeah, anything else that you
want to like, tell me too that you can jump right in and you
know, if you have any upcoming things that you're working on or
anything exciting coming everyone's way.
Yes, So yes, lots of things coming along.
So for those who do already know me and follow me, you know I've
been kind of quiet for the past few months because I've just
been very busy with my day job. I wish I could be a full time
author, but that God hasn't allowed that to happen yet.
So I've been very, very busy my day job, but I have a lot of new
projects coming in 2024, so I actually already finished my
most recent documentary. So which is the End Times?
Nepheline Deception. And it is an expose.
It's different from my other documentaries that I've done
before. This is totally different for
me. So it's an expose and it's
really focused on the books, the movies, comic books, video games
that are targeted at our young adults, at our teens, at our
children that talk about Genesis 6, the Nephilim, Fallen Angel.
But it twists everything. They twist everything.
They, they make the Nephilim, the heroes, even the Saviors of
humanity. They make the fallen Angel
sympathetic figures and they blasting the Lord Jesus, the
name of the Lord Jesus Christ repeatedly.
And there's a lot of this content.
So this, this goes deep into all of that.
So that's done, that is done. And that will be available on
next month in December in. December it is as we.
Say done, done. And so, yeah, so it'll be
available in Vimeo On Demand, on my on my Vimeo page, as well as
in DVD. And then I'm also very excited.
I got my manuscript copy of Judgement of the Nephilim in
Spanish. And so I've had so many people
over the years reach out to me and ask me, can you make a
Spanish version? So it's done in Spanish by a
Christian translator. He's done an amazing job.
It's going to have some special things in there, you know, I
like to always give bonus contents.
It's going to have a bonus content with me even speaking a
little Spanish myself and video, it's got bonus video content in
it. So that's coming out as well.
And then in that's also that would be the start of 2024 and
then in 2024 I have a lot of stuff coming up.
So I have a children's book series.
I'm focused on the kids, so I have a.
Children's book series. Praise God for all.
This. Yeah, Yeah.
So, you know, I was, AI was. And this is the thing a lot of
people don't know. I was a youth leader.
I had my church in New York for 10 years.
I worked with kids and teens before I had kids.
And I feel like it was a blessing because God was
preparing me to be a parent. I've always had a heart for
children. And the the book series is going
to really, it's their children's obviously Bible books.
They're going through the basic stories of the Bible, but really
teaching it I think in a in a way that's much more accurate to
what God wants, right. It's it's the focus is even if
you're learning about Adam Eve, you're learning about Noah's
Ark. It's all about Jesus Christ, our
Lord and Savior. So it's going to teach the Bible
by understanding types and shadows, typology, how God used
his repetition and finding Jesus in all of these stories.
And I think that's the really the powerful way so that
children understand that these stories aren't just moral
stories or Aesop's fables to teach us how to behave.
It's to teach us the gospel and everything.
And so that's coming out. And then my next book for
adults, my next theological book.
I'm pretty sure I've already started the research on it.
I've had tons of research on it for years and I'm.
I feel like God has really moved me in this direction, is to
write a book on on the gap theory on the ancient earth, the
free Adamite earth, and kind of all the research.
There's a lot of amazing content from centuries gone by.
You know, I'm, I'm sure, you know, I like to quote a lot of
old, old school theologians from the 1700s, eighteen hundreds,
the church, while there's so much stuff out there that it's
going to blow people away. So I I I'm really pretty sure
that's going to be my next book coming out in 2024 to really
explore. You have been busy.
No wonder you're. I.
I actually want to say about your children's series.
This is really important because as a kid I didn't have.
I mean, my parents made sure I went with the neighbors, but
they weren't really involved and they were LDS.
But the one thing that I ended up getting when I was little as
a door to door salesman selling these little kid Bibles, they
like had a whole bunch of them. I think they may have been like
a Jehovah's Witness type situation, but I don't know for
sure. Whole bunch of them.
Like there was 20 or 30 books, and I flew through them.
And you know what? It helped me.
I feel like it really built a foundation later in my life
where if it had just been LDS theology, I I probably wouldn't
have learned as much as I did. So it was.
Yeah, well, you know, it's God, right?
God already planting the seeds early on, right?
So it's so it's so important that you're doing that.
Because absolutely, absolutely. There's not enough things like
that. No.
And and also and then teaching again that, you know, I've
looked at so many children's Bible books and I think that
we're missing an important element of how we teach the
Bible And that's how I've always taught the Bible.
Like I've been a Sunday school teacher and I always make my own
lessons like and you know I I don't buy lessons I'm I'm making
them type of my own. And and I make it very hard by
the way. So shout out to all my students,
we had to endure my Sunday school lessons.
I make. I make them really, really
difficult. But it's important to teach, you
know really teach the Bible God. We are children to God, right?
God gives us pictures. It's important.
And obviously in the final nothing.
When I start off talking about this, that they how everything
you know, this type of this concept of quantum repetition of
things are repeating. God gives us pictures.
Whether we're looking at David being a foreshadow of Jesus,
Joseph, Moses, he he showing us pictures to not just understand
his will, but to actually understand the future, right
'cause it's informing us about prophecy.
So there's no reason why we can't teach kids these things
from elementary school. And they're ready to believe
they already believe in the supernatural anyway, so we might
as well just teach them the truth about it right from this
I'm going to make. So these books are going to have
angels and fallen angels and nephilim in them, so they, you
know, so it's going to have all these things that we talked
about. There's no reason that kids
can't learn this and learn the real story right of Noah's.
Ark. I was very young.
Yes, I was very young. When I read those books under
12, I would have been like maybe 4th grade and it it really did
help me. And I mean, we have all these
other books about Archons and different things and they twist
it, so why not let them know the truth?
I mean that's how I feel. So that's amazing.
I am so happy to hear about all these things coming our way and
one very soon December. So that's that's amazing.
That's great. I can't wait to see that.
Actually, I'll, I'll be there. I'm excited for that.
So on all of the things that you have heard over the years
Speaking of children, I'll I'll open with this one because I've
been going kind of Speaking of old World, into a little bit of
a deep dive into kind of some tartaria things where I'm
looking at the orphan trains, the incubator babies, all this
stuff that kind of happened in America where you have to step
back and go what exactly was going on there?
Like that was really odd. And so I wonder, and I was gonna
ask you, one of the things I was wondering is do you think in
that in that time period they may have messed with genetics in
a in a possible way to integrate nepheline bloodlines?
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Right.
So I I think so much, right. So if you look at the Tower of
Babel, right, that's a really important account, I think.
And I think it informs us a lot about society today, right.
So you have of course, this one world government being formed in
Babel and Nimrod leading this construction.
They said they want to build, you know, a tower to to heaven
to reach heaven. And I think, you know, they were
trying to really, it wasn't much, it was much more than a
tower. They were really trying to open
a portal to the spirit realm, right, To bring back the days of
Noah, bring back the fallen angels, the beneath the Elohim
of Genesis 6, right. And all their secret knowledge
in that whole era, right? The demigods and the gods and
bring them back. And so much of what you see in
modern times, modern meaning the last 300 years, right, in terms
of the occult in secret societies, it's really the same
exact goal. It's about trying to bring back
the gods to trying to open up the spirit realm in any way
possible, right? And so we think about the
genetic manipulation of the of the at that time.
It's the same idea, right? It's it's trying to bring back
the age of the Nepheline and not to mention the fact that Daniel
too, prophesied. That's going to happen, right?
We were told specifically that they shall mingle themselves
with the seed of men. So there's going to be these
efforts to bring back this era, right?
Even Francis Bacon, The New Atlantis, right.
I talk about Nepheline, how Atlantis is the the free flood
world. It is the antediluvian world.
And here's Francis Bacon coming along and say, can saying, we
want to create an A new one, right.
So they've had this idea among those who are, you know, for
lack of a better term, initiates, right?
They are aware of these things and this is what they've been
trying to usher and and bring back for centuries.
Absolutely. I I always look at when, because
the whole thing with Joseph Smith led me down.
Another rabbit hole. And I do a lot of research into
the occult because I was a Mormon.
I don't know that I would have, had I not been a Mormon, but
that's what happened. So I go back to John D and I see
some of these people that the New World Order was he was one
that was trying to usher that whole idea in who was said that
was brought to him by angels and and that they wanted yes, one
religion, one world, a new world.
They started this world. I don't believe in the stories
that they say how things were. I think that there was a reset.
I feel like they wiped a lot of things and and it's it's shown
in and this kind of leads into my next little part is it's
shown not just with him but it's shown with Crowley.
Crowley said it was an alien not an Angel but he wouldn't have
accepted an an Angel. I mean yeah.
And so I think it comes to what, you know whatever he or you
would accept. And then Joseph Smith, I feel
like this this same thing happened with him and many
people just throw his stuff out as he was just a plagiarist.
He lied and I'm like, I don't know because John D and him have
a real similar story and so that's what led.
Me into that, I I I think Joseph Smith definitely had a real
supernatural encounter and like Muhammad as well, by the way,
very. Simpler, right?
If you look at John D, you look at John D and he clearly was
communicating with the spirit realm.
Are you a high level occultist? And the idea of communicating
with the Angel with the fallen angelic realm.
So I, you know again talk about Tubal King right in the family
of Lamech in Genesis chapter 4. And they being the what I call
the first family of the Nephilim, who they were, the
family who the fallen angels approached.
And I when and I and I talk about how the Bible gives these
details about Lamech and his sons where they had this
technological explosion. They discover all this
technology. Jabal is the father of animal
husbandry in tent making. Jubal is the father of
instruments which is really crazy to think about that he
invented music the musical instruments.
And then Tubal came was the first blacksmith metal
artificer. And so John D of course you know
he had his signature as double O 7 right that he but he the way
he wrote it whereas the seven was on its side and the and the
the OS were kind of underneath this sideways 7 that was also a
pictogram of two ball cane 2 balls and a cane.
So it was also symbolizes so even he understood this
connection between 2 ball cane the fallen angels and esoteric
knowledge right. The knowledge of the of the of
the spirit realm. And so, yeah, so definite
connection and the they're all again.
It's all the same goal to get back to this era of the days of
Noah. And I I think that well, the
whole thing that led me down, that is I found some sigils that
were written by they said it wasn't Joseph Smith but his
brother but but he was the seer. They were in his brother's
possession but they were all dead at this point and you know
they he died with a Jupiter Talisman on.
He had these sigils. There was a lot of things that
I've never seen as a Mormon, and actually I've never seen other
people delve into. So when I put this sigil into a
reverse look up, the one thing that came up was this little
Angel sigil at the bottom. Now I know that I didn't know
what it was then. It was like a hieroglyphic weird
thing. And it it said the Angel was
Jubila dance, which is very interesting knowing that you're
talking about the music and you know, dance goes together.
And this was the calling of this Angel.
And the only other person that had ever mentioned it ever was
John D and I didn't know who he was.
So I went down, down and there I was.
But I I don't think the temple was built by Mormons.
I think the temple was there. I don't think, you know, I think
a lot of things were already here and that we came through
and and that leads me into the next thing that I was going to
talk about is that I feel like the whitening of America and the
wiping out of the Native American races was because they
had oral history and oral tradition and they were passing
on these stories of these giants.
Because there are actual accounts and I only wrote a
couple down, 'cause you could go forever on the Native Americans.
They they don't forget and the Choctaw say that they've seen
the Giants Nahaloo in the Ohio Valley, the Paiu in Lovelock
Nevada, the Navajo, the Star knock they call them.
They were miners that settled the West, the Comanche.
They were in Tennessee and actually spoke about them being
cannibals and really violent, but some of them weren't.
They were told like some were really primitive and and
cannibalistic like that, but others were really advanced, you
know, and doing these other things.
And so, yeah, and these are just, I mean almost every tripod
one like a different name. And I felt like that might have
been part of the reason why they wanted to get rid of them.
Because. To suppress the right, right,
Right. I mean think about it, right.
It's Romans one, right? The wrath of God is revealed
from heaven, right? Against all unrighteousness and
wickedness. Who suppressed the truth, right.
So how people who are trying actively to hide the truth from
others, right. And so even as you said that,
you know, I, you know about these these accounts from the
Native Americans. It's amazing how you know it's
almost it's it's so similar to Genesis 14 where Abraham they
describe all the different type of tribes of giants right.
They said the the ememes, the anachemes the zamzemes but some
call them zuzemes right. You said how they said they have
different names but it's all it's all the same account right.
It's all coming back to giants being here and even the idea of
cannibalism, right. Think about it's and this is the
beauty of the details of the Bible is that after the flood,
right. In the pre flood world, right.
I think you know the vegetation was very different.
I think you know you know animals were at peace with
humanity. There were vegetation.
Adam and Eve were just eating vegetables basically.
There wasn't all this the the carnivorous diet that we have
now. Right.
But of course Adams were put in submission to Noah after the
flood. He was given dominion over them.
But it was very interesting that God, one of the first
commandments that God gives Noah after the flood is don't drink
blood, right? Like why?
Why is that the first thing God's talking about 'cause I
think there was lots of blood drinking and flesh eating,
eating human beings, right? The in numbers 13, the three
spies. The 10 spies you see the three
sons of Anoch in when they're scouting the promised land, they
said this is a land that eateth the inhabitants up, right?
So I think that I again that that's what the Nepheline were
doing, that they were literally eating human beings.
So it's no surprise that the Native American accounts of the
Nephilim say the same thing. Yep.
And they talk about how white they were, that they look very
European or red hair or different, you know, attributes.
And I mean, you can't wipe it all out.
This is, you know, this is silly.
And I also don't believe their story that African American
people were brought over. I think a lot of them were here.
I don't believe a lot of their stories.
I just, yeah. I mean you can just write.
So yeah, another perfect example.
So you have the Olmecs right in Mexico who have these busts that
are you know 1012 feet high bust and the the people are clearly.
African, African, whatever you want, whether they're whatever
country their feature is unquestionably.
And this is obviously you know pre dating Columbus coming to
with America. So yeah, yeah I agree.
And then there are other and and then that's the thing too is
that there's a lot of things that we discount in in African
culture and history that we're just not even you know it's just
not even referenced or told, right.
So in the in their own accounts they'll talk about Abakari the
second who was the first king to sail to America.
You know, again, this is talking about 1000 AD that he was
sailing there and coming back and going back and forth and
that there were, there were all these commercial passes that
were taking place and so, so yes, there's a lot of history
there as well. In addition to when you look at
such, you know, certain areas like in Nigeria, the Igbo tribe,
right, you have the Lembas in South Africa where they have all
these Hebrew ritual traditions in their culture they say go
back centuries and centuries. So even even that idea that that
they, that part of the diaspora of the Israelites went to these
places, I mean, the Lamba are all the way in South Africa and
yet they are practicing the feast and rituals.
It's crazy, you know and like and it's.
Like, like, how did they know that?
Yeah. Century.
Exactly. And they've been doing it for
century. So a lot of this stuff is
suppressed, unfortunately, in wickedness.
And and on the orphan trains, which the orphan trains are
concerning in themselves but also the incubator babies.
I mean that one even is a a further step up for me because
as a nurse I know what they could do to manipulate things,
but they wouldn't do it unless they were all the way.
It was the whitening of America. And I I feel like they were
trying to emulate possibly this is just my own conjecture that
they were trying to emulate these nepheline because they
were white. You know And then I I look at
the Mormons and they mention OK they can be more white and
delightsome. These are their quotes.
These are not my quotes. These are their their books if
they will do this and that and I'm and they really pushed not
marrying. They really pushed racism.
I I mean it was always shocking to me.
It was like, well, why? Curse, right?
To have dark skin? Yeah, yeah, sure.
So it was always confusing to me, but I now that I know
certain things, I'm like, oh, maybe This is why.
Like part of this whole Angel. Like how they want to, you know,
copy, emulate, be like you know, these.
Exactly. And and to a certain, to a
certain extent, right. We are all to a certain extent
under some level of spiritual influence.
I pray constantly forgot. Like when people ask me, you
know, I wrote Judgement and Nephilim, which took me almost
three years to write, right? I was doing tons of research and
trying to figure out how do I want to write the research.
I was probably researching the book for over a year before I
really wrote anything. Every night I'm up, I'm up, I'm
up. And you know, so many people,
when the book was published, said, hey, you know, you put
things in this book I've never read anywhere else.
Like, where'd you even my own pastor?
He said, where'd you get this from?
I said, pastor. I said, you know, I'm every
night, I'm just researching. I'm not getting it from
anywhere. But I said it's God.
I said it's all God. There were so many nights where,
'cause I wrote most of my. When I wrote my first book, my
children were still almost like babies.
They were like 4 years old and two years old.
They were very, very young. So I couldn't do any writing
during the day or in the evening.
I 'cause I I can't write with noise.
I I need, I don't, I can't write to music anything.
I write in silence. And so most of judgement of
Nepheline was written between the hours of 10:00 PM and 4:00
AM and and so many nights. It would be two in the morning
and I would literally be on my knees and praying and in tears
and like God revealed something to me that I didn't know.
And so so you know, so you. And that's what the Spirit does,
right? Jesus said the Spirit will lead
you in all truth. So the Spirit of God is
literally teaching us things is and leading us and inspiring us.
Even the word inspiration has spirited, well it goes both ways
right. Satan is also inspiring his
children right. So they're not just getting this
out of thin air. They're getting it from
spiritual, from wicked, evil, spiritual influence from evil
spiritual teachings right. Even even Paul saying you know
because sometimes we sometimes we just throw things that the
Bible says out and we understand what it says.
Everyone understands, but we're really thinking about it right.
When it says that in in Timothy that in in the latter days some
shall depart from the faith and follow doctrines of demons.
Right. Think about that term.
It says doctrine. It doesn't say he was going to
follow a demon like they're they have a teaching like that's a
doctrine, is like I have a chapter I want to share with you
of a teaching That's a powerful statement that means they're
they're we're just going to work and we're putting together like
a curriculum to infect and invest the minds and lead people
astray, so. Well be because in the end days
we will fall for a great deception and the Church will
help us get there so. Sad but true.
Sad but true? Yes, yes.
And that that goes right into kind of like nowadays I feel
like and I I don't know how you feel.
This is why I'm going to ask you.
But I feel like they're really pushing the agenda forward to
make us feel like we're in the end times.
And and like, I feel like they're prepping it so that they
can put in Project Bluebeam and it will be like, oh, OK, because
I've seen all these rivers changing colors and different
things, but they're everything's out of order.
There's nothing happening the way God says.
It's just happening. And so if you're not paying
attention or you don't read enough or whatever the case may
be, or you're new to it, you could easily be LED astray and
say, Oh my gosh, like this is real, this is happening.
And so I don't know how you feel about that.
No, it definitely that the church can will play a huge role
in that And you we've seen, I mean it's since 2020, you know
the power of the church to influence people and get people
to really believe all sorts of things.
You know, it's it's it's getting more and more intense which
makes sense because you know again as you approach the end
time the thing that's going to increase first if you go to
Matthew 24, it's deception, right.
That's what Jesus said to his disciples to take heed no man
deceive you. What if me sign of the end of
the world and of thy coming, right.
Jesus said take heed. No man to see.
So deception is going to come first and then everything else
until I always have to tell people to pump the brakes when
they say, oh, this is it, we're in the good tribulation.
We just started. You know I was actually in
Norman. OK, for the Prophecy Watchers
conference speaking at the Prophecy Watchers imminent
return conference the night that the most recent intifada broke
out in Israel. So imagine the next morning, you
know Saturday morning to me everyone is going nuts.
Old everyone. You know, there was 1000 people
at this conference. Oh my gosh, this is it.
This is it. You know, with the war starting,
Israel, this is happening. And so on one hand, that energy
is amazing, right? We need to be looking and
watching, right? The Revelation 16 says blessed
is he that watcheth right? So we're supposed to keep our
eyes for the return of our Savior.
We're supposed to be understanding prophecy.
However, we have to stick to what the Bible says and stick to
the order. Like you said, that God has an
order in everything including anti prophecy, including all the
unfolding of events of the end times.
And so yes, the church, or at least the pseudo church I think
can and will play a role in getting people, in deceiving, in
deceiving people. And and to help them believe
like in Bluebeam with the whole AI part, like, I think they're
just setting the stage. I think they're just trying to
see like, oh, is this going to work?
And they're just chucking like, oh, let's see what's going to
happen with this and let's see what's going to happen with
that. Let's draw a little pot over
here and let's you know even the weather.
I I try to explain this to my mom she's like yeah but then
there's this earthquake and and all this stuff.
I'm like yeah, but they they manipulate the weather and the
weather it it all effects everything like if it rains too
much and there's too much water in the ground and and shifts and
I'm I'm like trying to explain that to her because she she she
got real nervous. I mean, I was nervous, but I was
like, OK, hold on, Let's just look at this, you know, and I
said that there's not enough things done.
Like it's not, it's not how it should be.
And I mean with the calendar changes, with the dates mixed
up, we have really no idea on dates.
So you can't even go by that either.
So you have to just be wise and and not panic.
I feel like you have to really watch for the things that are
going to come at us because the capability is wild at this.
Point it it is. And we and we, we're just
scratching the surface, right? I mean, because if you think
about, you know, things like HAARP or the ability to project
something into the sky, right? That to me is I always say the
sky doesn't lie, right. When people, if people see
anything in the sky, it will it. It immediately is reality to
them and it and that can be manipulated, right?
That can be. Manipulated.
Right. And so and so right now this is
all the the the preparation, right, Because we have to be
conditioned, right. But it it's, it's no different
than what happened in the Gospels.
Jesus said pick 70 people and said go out and start preaching,
start planting the seeds, start preparing.
John the Baptist, it's there's always a preparation before the
arrival. And so it's this and that's
what's going to happen. We have the preparation for
Christ and the preparation for Antichrist and so the the
technology now is really at the point where it can.
We can have mass deception on a huge, huge international scale.
Yes, any day, any day they. Perfected this they've they they
do these things in like China with the dragon that came down
on the sky and they did it in somewhere I think Brazil and
they are I think they're just playing with people right now to
see it what happens but they've had the problem is not enough
Christian Now Christians will study the Bible and Christians
will study a lot of things but Christians don't like to get
into the darker part of things and here's the problem the
darker side like John D Blavatsky flat admitted in her
books about giants like all these people.
You know very frequently. Yeah, yeah.
They talk about this stuff. And I'm like, OK, you have all
these people and things pushing this agenda because they have
mystery schools, they have this technology, they know things far
beyond what we know. Like it's it's way higher.
And I always go back to King James and the Bible situation.
But he didn't just have that done.
He wrote he had three books on demonology written at the same
time, Demonologia. And people miss that And it it's
it's a hierarchy it's it's an explanation it's all these
things. But then people will say well
that's demonic, that's scary or that's that's demons.
We don't talk about that And I'm like as above so below
everything has an order. You know, there's there's order
in all of this, and there's power in all of it.
If you believe the angels, watch out for you, then you have to
know that. You know what?
What does the Bible tell us about the opposite side of that?
That familiar spirits will know you because they also follow you
your whole life? You know, they they know
everything. Yeah, and and and and and even
again, like, you know, Ephesians 612.
We wrestle now with flesh and blood, but with the
principalities and powers, right?
So we know that right? Spiritual wickedness in high
places. But the term, again, it says
wrestle wrestling. Somebody is close combat, right?
That is, that means they're going to shoot you, which you
can do from 500 yards away. That means they are all up on
you, right? And they want to grasp you and
hold on to you. Like that is what wrestling is,
you know? And so when you think about it
from that standpoint, how could you not understand your enemy,
right? The mandate is to definitely
understand your enemy, right? It says we need to be aware of
the devil's devices. That means we've studied them,
we understand his tactics, and we can resist them.
Yes. So if you're not doing that, if
you're not studying how, there's no way you can resist them.
You're not even aware of what? He's trying to, yeah.
Especially when they're like, that doesn't even exist.
That one gets me the worst. I'm like, wait a minute, how do
you discount if you're a true believer now?
If you're not a believer? OK then.
But I mean, that's foolish, But I get it, you know, I mean, you
want to say it doesn't exist either way, that's on you.
That's scary to me. But if you can believe in one
and not the other, that's a dangerous slope, You know,
that's that's frightening to me. And then what is God saving us
from if there's no danger or whatever we be saved?
From Yeah, exactly nothing. And the churches, you know, and
This is why you know, God calling you into this service,
like he called me, like he called Josh Monday, Derek
Gilbert, LA Marzulli is so important because we know that
the majority, overwhelming majority of churches are never
going to touch these things. So, but God has given us this
ability, like we were talking about earlier, that we can now
reach people, we can podcast, we can vlog and we can reach people
not just in America, all over the world.
So it's like, you know, the corporate church is getting
weaker, but the true church, which is just believers who are
committed to serving Jesus Christ and sharing his word and
not just the gospel, right? The whole thing, the meat, the
milk, the bones, everything, right, the full council of God.
We're stronger because God has given us this blessing to live
in this time where we can reach people everywhere in the world
right now and so, so it's so important, it's so important
that. That we speak on.
These things. I don't know about Lai don't
know about Gary Wayne. I know for me and you, 'cause I
heard your story and you were super busy and like, you were in
another country with your friends and stuff and like,
going to school and and this hit you.
This hit me out of nowhere. I'm a mom of a whole bunch of
kids. You know.
I mean, it's not like any of us go like, yeah, we're going to go
do this today. Josh was like going to be a rap
star like this doesn't cohesiveness with that is not
going to work. And he had to change his whole
trajectory and as we all did and so it's not like we're at home
just like oh I'm going to do this tomorrow like this this
comes from somewhere and and two or more and his name is church
that that's church and I I try to tell people so much
especially Mormons that leave leave because they feel like the
temple that's where God lives the the you know all this stuff.
And I'm like, no, none of that. I mean, you can just throw it
out. Start again, learn about the
Christ, learn about your heart, learn about, learn to pray.
And when and when I say pray, when it says pray always and do
not cease. I mean like that's in your mind
all day. Like you, you should have a
constant thing with God there. I don't know about you.
Yeah, I just. Do run in dialogue.
Trust me, I'm talking to God all the time.
Yeah, I'm sure he's all. The time she's Chad, you know.
And it's important. And and and and that opens you
up to no Jesus, right. And that's the beauty of it is
that when we can remove the forced religion that's forth
upon people and the corporate religious aspects of our of our
walk, now we can get really get to know God.
When I got to you know that the, the, the greatest part of being
an author for me is all the nights of this, staying up late
at night, getting in the word and trying to find things and
answers to questions and God just keeps revealing them.
And there's no doubt in my mind, it's just because I'm God's.
Like, OK, you're going to sit here and when you want to get to
know. Me, Yeah.
When when you say you're an open vessel and you want to know
things, sometimes God makes you like, I mean, 'cause my husband,
even when I started the podcast, he's like, you're not going to
talk about Flat Earth, are you, 'cause you're going to sound
crazy or you're not going to talk about this or that.
And I'm like, listen, I'm going to talk about whatever I think I
should talk about, 'cause I don't know what that is, but
I'll know when I get there, you know?
And he always is like, oh, man, and like worrying, 'cause we
still live in Utah, you know, And.
And I'm careful who I share. I'm careful who I share with.
Yeah, because I still have a family here.
I still have many family members in church.
I'm sure they think we've just lost it completely.
But I mean, I know what God feels like.
I know. I know all the difference.
I I've been there. But you know you never know and
I'll and I'll say this, you know, and this is the again,
it's just all God is that over time.
So in you know I was in college my best friends who he was
Jewish. However he was an atheist.
Right. He's raised he's Jewish by
heritage and raised in Jewish Home and had a bar mitzvah and
all that thing. But he was totally an atheist.
The irony of this is that he was a religious studies major, but
he was an atheist. And so we used to argue and
debate about God and the Bible and he everything He he he, he
knew the Bible really well. He would challenge me and we,
you know, I loved it. So I mean debating is like
second nature to me. So I I enjoy it and we had so
much fun doing that. But he, you know, graduated
college and he was just didn't believe in God at all, right.
And so just a few months ago, he's calling me and calling me.
I get like 3 calls from him and he's texting me saying I got to
speak to, I got to speak to, I got to speak to you.
And he said he goes, listen, he goes, I the last three nights he
goes, I've done a deep dive on Nepheline, the Nanaki Atlantis.
And he goes, and I'm reading all this stuff and I'm just
Googling, Googling, Googling. And he goes, and your face pops
up and he goes, I'm like, and I'm like, wait a second, He's
like didn't run, right. And so and so, so it's like that
was the most I was that was the most receptive.
He was in that conversation to now talk about the Bible.
Why did God do it? All the things that we used to
talk about, well, what about the wars in Canaan?
Why would God kill the babies? All the things he said to me in
college now, you know he has a full understanding of it and is
hungry to know it. And so you just don't know who
in your family, who in your community in Utah you're going
to affect and or or who might be listening to you right now and
then even letting you know. Because they don't want anyone
to know they're. Listening to you, you sprinkle
those seeds, you never know where they're going to pop up,
yeah. God will give the growth, right?
So just keep, just keep, keep serving, keep doing what you're
doing. It's.
Awesome, right? It's it's scary, but you kind of
have to just suck it up. Like, because I felt like it
would have been such a hypocritical stance for me to
pray to God to say because it happened at this horrible time
of my life. Like I was sick and it was 2020
and then I lost my daughter. She didn't die, but she she got
married and she said, like, she was like my best friend.
And she said, yeah, I think I was abused so by and I was like,
what? Like, and her husband just only
met us three times and he just did not like us.
And so they moved halfway across the country and I never saw her
again. It's been four years and it
broke me. Like, I know you're not supposed
to let things like do that because I still have all these
other kids. I still have 5 kids and she's 6.
So I knew I still had to kind of keep it together.
But I wasn't. I was so pitiful and like, I'm I
I mean, that's OK for a little while, but then you have to.
You have to. Yeah.
You have to start to say, OK, what is happening?
Why is this happening? What is going on here?
Like, get outside of yourself. And it's hard.
Like, I miss her. I mean, of course, I mean, if I
could fix it tomorrow, it's the prodigal son.
If she knocks on my door, we're going to have a feast.
But I can't. Yeah, like the forcing I did
that. I'm very, I'm like, you know,
people are passive aggressive. I'm like aggressive, aggressive.
And so at first I tried to make it happen.
But then I listened. I love Derek Prince.
I listen to so much Derek. Prince and.
He talks about like you can't force.
It's it's witchcraft. If you do that, it's not good.
You have to not do that. It's not God's way.
Boy, did I learn. I was like praying about like
help me Lord through this. And he did.
But like sometimes when you ask for things you're gonna go down
this weird road and and that's what happened.
I I had to learn how to get outside myself.
And I kind of learned that maybe I made her more of an idol in my
life and he doesn't like that. And I wasn't as close to God as
I should have been. And you know how you said
there's an order of things with God and we know this.
I know this more now, but at that time I was more like almost
like a baby Christian. I was a Christian for a long
time, but I hadn't ever, like, given it my all or given it to
God. And I I just started delving
into things and I'm like, wow, I really did my husband dirty kind
of there. Like I was putting my kids above
and it wasn't, it wasn't good. It it was bad.
I learned some lessons like and I mean when you ask for help
sometimes what I'm saying is or you go down the rabbit hole like
you're sometimes you get this answer that you may not have
expected you know and same with your friend like and you never
know when it will happen like you just have to trust God.
You have to like and that is so hard.
People say that all the time. They say, oh, I trust God, but
do you though if if he took your child, could you trust God?
You know he didn't take her, but if that happened to you?
Yeah, I understand. Yeah.
And the only thing that got me through it, I think, was I just
read Job a whole bunch. And I was like, you know, even
though people always get to the part about Joe being fully
restored, they forget that his children all died in one day and
they were smashed and he got more children later.
But a child is never replaced. They're not the same.
Yep. He not at all.
He lost. He suffered.
He had permanent pain. He had permanent, permanent
pain. Yeah.
No. For sure.
Yeah.
But you learn how to pull out, yeah?
He did, He did, He did. And God, you know, it's it's
like, you know, and he trusted, right.
As hard as that is as hard as the.
And that's unfortunately, you know, he he it's we benefit.
It's sad. It's sad we benefit from that.
Right, 'cause we get to look at him and see, wow, wow, that.
What a what an example, you know?
But yeah. And that's what back to your
thing is. That's full circle, like people.
Your friend looking to you like I'm looking to job like I've
looked to you like. That's the whole point.
Like, I'm sure you're not doing this for fame and fortune.
Like that's not really the point, that hours you've spent
are not equal to the hours. Yeah, it's not going to ever
equal out. And I get that because I'm such
a researcher. I mean, I lettered in debate.
So I'm a huge when I said I'm a dork nerd, Yeah, yeah, well,
'cause. I mean that.
Was just always I was going to go to law school.
So I was I was always I did cross examination.
I always wanted to do that and. That was my I did see the
debate, too. We might have.
Been Yes. Yeah.
I. Mean we I traveled all over the
country. Oh, it, it was fun and I loved
it. And I I just, you know, I I had
a real passion. But then nursing got me, 'cause
I'm by nature a caregiver, and so it's a.
Very noble profession, so. Nothing.
I love it, Yep. But but the studying kind of
went away because you get so busy with your family, you get
really wrapped into yourself. We really forget about our
fellow man. We really forget like that part
I was saying about like having that constant dialogue with God
instead of saying I'm going to pray for this guy later.
Like you see some man walk past you and he's limping or
something, you and you think I'm going to pray for that person.
But instead of doing that later when you're, you just do it
right then, and then you just do.
It, yeah, I'm. I'm a big believer in that,
especially when you're speaking to people too.
Sometimes you just might be around somebody and say, hey,
you know, this is what's going on.
Something happened to my child or my husband's sick.
I just, I I I don't like to tell people I'm going to pray for
you. Just pray for them right there
on the spot. Just get it.
Just why wait? And and I feel like that too
now. I and my kids are always like,
oh, that Lady at the store, you knew her.
I'm like, no, I I don't know her.
And he's like, that was weird then And I'm like, why?
And I mean, he's like, yeah, she walked up to you and told you
all this stuff. I'm like, well, then obviously
that was what was supposed to happen.
Like, I don't know. And he's like, why would you
talk to like, weird strangers? And I'm like, a lot of times
they're not weird strangers. They just, I think God does
something sometimes where he just puts people to you because
he knows you will. Exactly.
I don't know. And and if you think about it,
too, again, in Scripture, so many eatings are random, right?
It's not, you know, right. It's very, there are lots of
random, but, you know, God is ordering it right?
That God's telling someone go to this place, but they don't even
know who they're going to meet, right.
And so that's our example. That's our example, right?
We have to be out there, You know, you have to.
And it's almost like, you know, and this is, this is the
important part too, when you talk about being busy and with
your children and the distractions of our day-to-day
lives, which are all fine, right?
I love my children. I love spending time with my
children. A big reason why I moved was
because I knew I could be out of the New York City rat race and
actually have a normal nine to five job and go to my children's
practices and do homework with them and all those things.
So there's nothing wrong with that.
However, we still, as believers, as ambassadors of Christ, right?
Again. But words have meaning.
An ambassador is going out to strange lands to represent
Christ to people, right? And normally an ambassador's
going out on an assignment. That ambassador doesn't even
know the people personally, right?
They're just meeting, OK, You're going to go to Nigeria and go
meet their Prime Minister, right?
You don't know that person. You're just, but you're you're
being sent. And so we have to be out there,
right? We have to be out in the
community, wherever our community is, and be a light.
And sometimes being a light is just being friendly.
It's saying, yeah, I am going to have an A 5 to 10 minute
conversation with someone in line with me for coffee, you
know, because that's going to open the door to sharing Christ
with them and sharing the love and light of Christ with them.
Well, and a smile is gone. Gone away from many people
because something happened in 2020 with the whole covering,
with the whole 6 feet apart, which by the way is super occult
in nature. If anybody wanted to know that
it's a Gnostic mask, you stand 6 feet apart but and you wear a
face covering, but hey, whatever.
And so they wanted to instill these things in US So that
wouldn't happen as much. Because if you go to other
countries, I visited a lot of places, they always know who
Americans are because they smile a lot and they say that.
And I'm like, how sad is that, that they want to condition us
like other places and not have a friendly atmosphere where you
can do that because no one's going to approach you if you got
RBF. That's not happening.
I don't know. It's not happening.
It's not. It's not happening.
It's true. No, it's not.
And I see. How you know so many people from
being, you know, you can find quarantine whatever you want to
call it, right. Can find.
And and given these measures that were antisocial, like,
right. People malfunctioned.
Right. You see all the the videos of
people on planes absolutely acting insane.
Right. It's like that is not how we're
made, right. We're not we're made to be
communal. We're made to be around you,
that we're made for fellowship. And when we lose them, people
literally lose their minds. I mean, they do.
I I work mental health. I'm like, yes they do.
I mean. That was a horrible year.
Airplane. That's just one example, but
it's just easy because there's so many videos of, just like,
you never seen people acting like this before on planes.
And then I've been drinking, right?
This is not a case of someone who's drunk, all right?
Fine, They're. Just rolling on the floor.
These are people who are just just just got on you're
screaming or a fight, want to fight somebody or want to fight
the flight attendants and all this stuff.
And so that's so yeah, so a lot of it, so much, so much change.
And then also the other thing too is it opened us up to so
much influence because we're home and now we're really
getting so much from our computers, right?
We're learning from our computers and whoever happens to
be on that screen, and that took people in so many directions,
which, and some are good, but there are so many bad ones,
right? And.
And not having access to other live people and not having that
same it, that's you. You see the way people you know
again, another way of kind of going crazy.
And people don't even understand that in like, OK, if you have a
baby and you put it in isolation.
And this is actually true. Timothy McVeigh got sick when he
was little and they had to isolate him from his family and
everyone for like a period. I think it was like a month and
no one could touch him. He got really, really sick.
It was some autoimmune, I think. I can't remember exactly, but I
know it was a long period of time that no one could touch him
and and people have to have that.
That is a necessity. And he was small and so it like
psychologically impacted him for the rest of his entire life.
Like we see that. And it's not just him, it's
preemie babies. That's why they let the parents
in now and make the little holes so you can stick your hand in
and touch your baby, because they need it and.
So it's true. And God knows that.
You know, I think of, as you said that I just thought of the
Apostle Paul. You know, when he's on the road
to Damascus, he gets blinded and he's told wait here.
And then of course Jesus goes and tells Anayas go to go to
Paul. And he's like, I don't want to
go. He's like, this guy's been
killing Christians left him, right?
This dude is crazy. Why?
Yeah.
No, I don't want to go there. You'll see this man.
Could you imagine that assignment?
Right, Exactly right. But right.
But that's really what he was, you know, he told to do.
And of course Jesus said, you know, he's my servant, right?
He, I he's mine. So he goes, But the amazing
thing is, obviously it's amazing that he obeyed, right?
Because I can tell you, so many of us would not do that, so many
of us not if someone was like, go to your enemy.
This person's attacking your people, the people who are
closest to you. And I want you to go and welcome
him to the fury of Christ. So one, he obeyed.
But the amazing thing is the third thing he says when he sees
him. He says Brother Saul, right?
He gave him love, right? And so we need that cause.
Imagine how soul felt. Yeah, Alone and blind.
Great. Revelation.
He had this great revelation and now I know who Jesus is.
Jesus has spoken to me from heaven.
I believe in Yeshua Ha Mashiach, right?
However, none of these people like me, aren't they?
You should love me. I don't know why everyone.
Else hates me, right? Like, that's for sure.
Like like everyone else around me who loves Christ, hates me
and they're scared of me and at it at his weakest right, 'cause
he can't even see right now, He could have actually come and
slapped him right, if he wanted to, right?
This guy killed, you know, or ordered the death of apostles
and he? Could have took his moment.
He could have took it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
You know, like this is for Steven.
Right. But he, he calls him brother.
And it's so powerful for him to speak to him that it's like, you
know what, you're my brother now that level of and that's that's
what that's the power of God, right.
That love of who knows what that did.
And so we're not told in scripture.
But I have to think that warm Saul's heart to hear that as
he's sitting there blind in a room just waiting for something
to happen and he's called brother, it's like Jesus, God
saying it's OK now, you're good now.
Like, you know, even with my people who are down here on
earth. You're, you're, you're.
A part of the family now and so. And that's what we all want.
We all want that family like unity even people that are the
hardest like and that this is a funny story.
I mean, I'm not Saul, but this this was real for me like, OK,
so my husband's ex-wife was very difficult for us both and and me
and her we just didn't jive on mostly kid raising and I get it
now a lot better. But when that happened with my
daughter, what I told you very few people reach out.
Most people don't know what to do with that because it's not a
death. So you get no help as far as
like, oh, I'm so sorry. They literally just say you're
you must be a bad person because something you did.
I mean they wouldn't do that and they immediately judge you
because it's a mom you know. So it's just the thing.
And so the one person that actually called me his ex-wife,
and we had had ACPS case with her years before and I thought,
oh, boy. And so she called and her
daughter said, my mom wants to talk to you and I'm like, why?
And she said, well, she just wants to see if you're OK And I
said, yeah, right. And she, she said, no, really.
And even though we have different views, she's a
Christian. And she, she is a good
Christian, you know. And I got on the phone and she
said, can I pray for with you? And I thought and I said to her,
yeah, right. And I said you of all people
right now should be gloating and say, ha ha, look, now I now your
kids gone. Now this happened to you.
And I I said that because I was still really a new Christian at
that point. And she said what kind of person
would I be? And I just thought, I don't know
if that was reversed at that time now I would, but like at
that time in my life, if I would have done the same.
And she did, and it helped me. And and even though we're not as
close as we once were, I'll never forget that.
I mean, ever. It's amazing.
It was a gift. It was a gift.
And you know, like I said, it's it doesn't You don't have to be
their best friend forever. It might have just been that
time or that thing or whatever you're supposed to do, like the
assignment. You're supposed to go do it.
It doesn't have to be like some people make it a lot bigger than
it is and it doesn't have to be. It just can be whatever it is
supposed to be that day, you know?
And you don't have to feel like, oh, now I have to be their best
friend for the next 20 years of my life and this and that.
And if that happens, great. But it may not be that.
We don't know. They might have just needed you
that day. You know exactly.
Exactly. Don't.
Don't fear, you know have. Have less fear.
I mean, at least we're not murderers, most of us, right?
Oh boy. Could be worse.
It.
Could be worse. I know we've been on here for a
hot minute, but I do have one more question on people that are
believers. A lot of times, even when I
speak to them about the third of the angels going down in
Revelations 12, they often times say that was never in the Bible.
And I try and explain to them like about the stars and the
verse in nine. So it's like 12, four through
nine kind of that whole thing. And a lot of people are like
that's not biblical and I'm like well or Revelations is just a
dream or blah blah blah. And so I always want to ask.
Somebody. Like how to tell people more to
how to understand this, cause sometimes I don't get through.
It's funny, you know, God is so good, 'cause I was actually
thinking about this very question this morning.
So I was listening to a sermon on Revelation and I just was
wanting to dig into Revelation 16.
So. I knew I was coming all.
The time God knew, God knew. And in the sermon, the pastor
reads. You know, he starts off the
sermon. I love the start of the sermon.
Open your Bibles to Revelation chapter 16.
And he just reads it right, which is to me, that's how you
start. That's how you teach the Bible.
You first start by actually reading it to the congregation.
And but then he went out of his way to say, you know, all these
things are just symbolic. Everything, the weather events,
all these things. It's God expressing his will and
what he wants to do to people. But it's just, you know, and he
was stressing that don't take this literally.
And I thought to myself, I said, OK, well, you know, again, you
know, kind of coming full circle with how we started this
conversation about typology and repetition.
I don't know any 99% of churches I know.
And pastors will, when they teach the Exodus, they teach it
as a literal event. This really happened.
There was a real Kingdom called Egypt.
The Israelites were really enslaved there.
God really sent supernatural plagues.
To force and bring Pharaoh to his knees.
To let the Israelites go and culminating with the parting of
the Red Sea. Well, guess what?
Revelation's all the same place. It's water turning to blood.
There are locusts, There is darkness, there are sores on
people's body. All the same things we've seen
we're seeing happening in Exodus, right?
Are happening again in Revelation.
Furthermore, we know in Exodus chapter 10 God specifically said
to Moses I'm not, I'm going to judge Egypt and her gods.
So this wasn't just a judgement of Pharaoh and this wicked
nation, it was a judgement also of the fallen angels who are
ruling over this, the most powerful civilization on earth,
which also happened to be the most advanced civilization on
earth at that time. Shocker, because they were
constantly in communion with the fallen angelic realm, right?
And their leader as a serpent coming out of his forehead,
right on this crowd. So this is a satanic society.
What are we going to see in the end times?
We're going to see the seed of Satan sitting on the throne
trying to rule the earth, and God's going to do the exact same
thing. So if it was literal then why
wouldn't it be literal now? Right.
That is all, it's all the exact same things happening again,
right to the to, to the extent that in Revelation you get to 17
and 18 of mystery Babylon says that's it.
The great city, also known as Egypt, right.
So it's so it's so it again, God even calls it Egypt in the Book
of Revelation, right. So, So what are we talking about
here? So for a Christian, I would say,
you know, we have to, we don't really have the right to just
take an entire book of God specifically saying he's going
to do this and he will do this and just say that.
None of this is literal, right. Especially when God speaks with
such specificity, He is going to seal 144,000 witnesses, right?
The locusts that come emerge from the abyss in Revelation
Chapter 9, the 5th trumpet. They torment the unbelieving
world who don't have the seal of God in their foreheads for five
months. It's a very specific time, 5-5
months. Well, there's a reason that God
speaking very. These are very specific details.
The mark of the beast, right? Which is connected to another
number 666. It's only in your right hand or
your forehead. The the two witnesses preached
for 3 1/2 years. They're killed.
It's that their body, their slain bodies, the world rejoices
over their slain bodies for 3 1/2 days.
I mean, this is God is speaking with great specificity.
And not not only do we not have a right to say, oh, that's just
all symbolic, it's all allegory. We're also denying the power of
Scripture. Where are you?
There's no other book in any religion that's going to have
prophecy with that level of specificity.
That is an incredible level specificity that God that the
Bible's give you in Revelation over and over and over again.
So rather than try to write these things off as being
allegories and not being real, let's embrace it and learn and
challenge ourselves. And I understand because
churches don't like to teach in Revelation or they want to gloss
over it. But we have to challenge
ourselves, I see. Genesis, too.
They want to skip a lot of that one.
Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, exactly, exactly.
So, you know, I I always compare our walk in the faith to
exercise. I played sports all my life.
I love going to the gym. I love to work out.
And so it's like if you are trying to compete in athletics
or you're trying to work out and get in shape or whatever your
goals are. If you go to the gym and you're
not tired after you're done for an hour, you're probably not
working out hard, my friend. If you're challenging yourself,
whether it doesn't matter what you're doing, you can be lifting
weights, you can be walking the treadmill like you're doing
Pilates, whatever. You have to challenge your body
to make your body stronger. It's the same thing with your
faith. And if you're studying the Bible
and you're not questioning what you've thought for the last
30-40 years of your life, you're not thinking, wait a second.
I think there's something new I'm seeing here.
You need to study more and you need to study harder.
I'm constantly questioning myself.
I'm constantly going back and looking at passages because as
you get deeper, we can't. There's we will never know
everything until an eternity. There's so much knowledge in the
Bible, so we have to challenge ourselves.
And I think in Revelation it's like the ultimate challenge for
believers because it's so mysterious and so confusing on
its face. The last thing I'll say about
the third of the angels in Revelation 12 is remember, we
are told, Jesus said that hell itself was prepared for the
devil and his angels, which means he has a faction of angels
that God himself. God Yeshua says, are his.
So it's no surprise that in Revelation 12, what do we see?
We see them being expelled finally out of heaven for good,
right? Because we know from Job and
from other passes that that Satan still goes to heaven.
Satan's can still speak to God before his throne.
So we really should take that seriously because one, we know
the devil actually has angels that are loyal to him.
Two, the passage of Revelation 12 I think is describing A
literal future event when they're going to be evicted.
But also there's a there's a very dire warning in that
passage and this is, and I would challenge anybody just read the
end of Revelation 12 if you think it's not literal where it
says woe to the Inhabiters of the Earth, for the devil has
come upon you having great wrath for he knoweth his time is
short. It's saying you guys are in big
bubble. Yes, it is.
Devil is coming directly to you and he's not leaving.
He's now stuck on Earth, so why would God put that there?
What sense would that possibly make to say inhabitants of the
earth is literally 8 billion people?
You're all, you're saying y'all are in big trouble.
Why would God say that unless it was actually something that's
going to come to pass? And so we have to just, you
know, it can be overwhelming. It can seem very complicated,
But fortunately, there's so many resources out there.
You're not alone. There's so many great resources
to understand Revelation. There's so many great
commentaries, great books, you know, Reach out to me, question
me, give me a question. I'm happy.
I write people all the time. I write.
I write long even responses to people all the time, All the.
Time. Good.
So amazing. Yeah.
So we got to embrace it. Yes.
Yes, I do believe Revelation 12 is absolutely literal, as are
the judgments. And God has shown us this
before, so. I I believe that as well and I
think it's funny that people are so wishy washy about the
hierarchy of things and I'm like you if you would look at those
books and I'm not saying OK go study all the demonic books like
I mean some of them are really scary but there there is a
certain they are very regimented like this is over this, this is
over that, this is over this. He has this many under him, that
many under them. It isn't like, Oh well, I don't
know. And it's going to be this and
this. It's it's not like that.
God is very specific. They're very everything is
really specific. And so I'm like, who made this
up then? If you don't think any of this
is real, then, you know, or the lesser keys of Solomon, like if
you don't think any of this stuff is real, then where did
they come up with it, 'cause this is some crazy, like,
perfect number stuff. And it's not like every one of
them's the same. They're all different.
They're all just like their own thing and.
Makes you wonder if God, God the Father is really consumed with
numbers and you know, maybe make a book hold numbers where he's
arranging Israel in a certain location.
A certain protest is saying on the east at the facing north,
facing S facing West with certain numbers in a certain
order, with a certain role assigned a certain standard with
a certain animal on it. It's so this is all and and
remember God told Moses everything you're doing when you
do the Tabernacle and ranges really just you're doing it
based on what I'm showing you in heaven.
It's just a reflection when you said as above so below the
enemies just taking that from God like the Tabernacle is a
reflection of what Moses saw in heaven.
The the organization of the tribes and they're literally
marching and in their camp is all based on what you know.
It's it's like you know it's almost like you know you have
the 4th dimension in the spirit realm, right?
You're and the. The lesser realm is the shadow
of the greater realm, right? Your shadow is A2 dimensional
image of yourself because you are a three-dimensional being,
the Tabernacle. And everything Moses was doing
was the shadow of the heavenly Tabernacle, right?
So 'cause he's doing this in three dimensions so, so even
that. So God is clearly like there's a
clear numerical order and numbers have super significance
to God. So it's no surprise that the
angels, good and bad, follow that same pattern.
They care about do everything according to to numerics, to
strict numerical arrangement in organization.
So it's all it's all there in the Bible, right?
And so we so in. Understanding how the enemy.
Uses that is valuable. Right.
Right, We should know how the enemy is using this.
Anything that that they go after, it means something, It's
important. And so even people that were
greatly deceived like John DI mean he loved God.
He tried really hard. He just went too far because he
was obsessed. He he had something.
And at the point where he went into wife swapping, he should
have understood that this was no longer a good idea.
OK, he knew God. He knew God's works.
But he even said as a mathematician, which is what
he's mostly known for, because most people throw this esoteric
stuff out and you very rarely hear about him because Crowley
stole all of it and that's who you hear about.
But he spoke and said God's language is mathematics and he
was a mathematician and he understood the importance of
like days and numbers and things.
And I'm like, this is all important.
And that is why they are so obsessed with specific numbers.
Gematria, all this stuff means something.
And it's it's just it's just the danger of you know, he was a
brilliant mind, right? It's like Solomon, right?
He had the most brilliant mind of a full of just a pure human
person, not obviously Jesus and what he got into every occult
practice possible in addition to the wife swapping and.
That got real far. But right.
But he explored everything in the Occults and like when you
know, it's a total, you know, idolater.
And so that's that's the danger. But we still have to, you know,
we still have to have discernment and look into these
things, right? Like the Bible, right.
It's it's it's the same thing like and maybe people will say
this to me when I do my documentary because like I said,
my my first documentaries are just based on the Bible.
What's teaching us about the Nephilim?
What's teaching us about the end times?
But here I'm showing people things and I and I I showed
clips of this at when I was in Norman, OK, at the Prophecy
Watchers conference. And a lot of things I'm showing
people are very disturbing and they're saying some people say,
why are, you know what, Why are you putting this in?
I said because this is what your kids are watching.
So this is nothing. I'm showing is R rated.
There's nothing I actually show that's an R rated made for
adult. This is all content made for
young adults and teens. So they they have easy access,
they're watching it, they know it.
And yet they're talking about Satan having a A, a child
impregnating a woman and it says a nepheline was born.
I'm playing this clip where it says a nepheline was born who is
the offspring of Lucifer. And they explained this and they
say it's that it's the son is the half a hybrid son of a
fallen Angel and a human. They're explaining it just like
the reality and so, but part of what we have to do right?
Ephesians 511 have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of
darkness. But reprove them.
Expose them. So we're supposed to know these
things and expose them. Supposed to understand how the
enemy is using numbers. Understand how the enemy is
using Genesis 6, How the enemy is using the accounts of fallen
angels to create new religions and and expose them so. 100% on
that. And that's a command, by the
way. It's not.
It wasn't. That isn't said in the Bible as
an option. It's a command.
So. We have to be wise.
You know why? Wise as a serpent and gentle as
a dove. We we have to be on that same
level. If you put yourself underneath
the level of these things, which I believe, I don't know how you.
I believe the diamond ions. How demoniions.
I'm not sure how you say that exactly, but they are here.
They're here. They know you.
They're here to torture you. They're here to steal, kill,
destroy. They're make every man a liar.
You, you really have to understand some things, not only
about yourself. Like know yourself, know thyself
is important because that's where you will know and identify
what is your fault. That's where you'll make sure
you put on that armor when you're going into battle, Who's
going into battle without their armor on or knowing you play
sports. This is what I always tell
people. If you're going to go and play a
football team, the coach runs the place from the other team.
You watch them. So why aren't we watching?
Exactly. Exactly.
Amen. Amen.
You're you're absolutely right and it's a wonderful analogy and
it's so important and and you never know when you're going to
need it. Like you know my wife when we
met she was deep into the new age and you know into all sorts
of new age practices. She had past life regression,
out of body experience, all these things going on and that
and but but by God's grace, at the time she met me, I was
probably a year and a half to two years into just researching
all these things. And I wasn't researching for a
book. I'm just researching New World
Order Illuminati you. Were like me, you fell down the
rabbit. Hole I was so.
I was so. It was so easy for me to explain
these things to the point that, you know, I remember we went to
her father's house. I met her father for the first
time. Right on his bookshelf he had a
book by Helena Blavatsky. And so I explained to her who
she was and how this all goes back to the devil, how it's not
just peace and love and ascension and transcendence, it
all goes back to Lucifer and so. But God put her in my life at
that time when I was equipped, because prior to that I knew
that. Prior to that, I knew the Bible
for sure, but I didn't know the enemy's devices.
But God just sent me down some websites and rabbit holes and
blobs where you started understanding what's going on
out there and. So you could pull her out, you
know, because she may not have listened to you if you didn't
know. I mean, she's just going to blow
you off. Like, whatever.
You don't know what you're talking about, but you did know.
I did know and it was easy. It was so easy for me to explain
because I was really, really in season and understanding who
these people truly are like. When that was given to you for a
reason, obviously, like that knowledge was imparted on you so
that you could help her, you know, it all makes sense, even
though people say why do you waste your time on that Sir,
that's silly or whatever. And to the point that also glory
to God, that her mom is a Christian now, too.
She was also in the new Age and now she's a Christian.
She's a believer. We were just studying the she
was just here about a week and a half ago and we were studying.
We actually did a Bible study together.
Yes, that's that's. Amazing.
So that's the power of understanding these things and
exposing them. Yes, 'cause you never know who
you're going to save. Like your friend, it's been how
long? And he never cared before, but
like, now, he cares and exactly you know you'll be able to do
that. And the paranormal, we're we're
in an era now where spirituality has become so common.
You know, I can't. I come from the corporate, the
most corporate of corporate environments, right.
I was working on Wall Street. And I can tell you back when I
started, when I graduated law school, you would never see
somebody who's a lawyer or working in finance with a
necklace with, like, an energy crystal on it.
No way. Now you will now you there are
people walking around Goldman Sachs right now with their
little crystals on and their energy crystals, you know where
that was very. But it's become so common or
they're taking ayahuasca trips and all those things.
And so it's spirituality is becoming very common.
And so being able to discuss these things, discuss
supernatural, the paranormal, right.
Think about people like again, like even, you know, they're.
When I go to conferences, I can't, you know, I say this
about LA Marzulli all the time. The amount of people who said,
who said to me at conference who comes say, hey, how are you
doing? And they say, hey, I was into,
you know, something in the supernatural.
I was into the new age. I was into Sufism.
And then I started learning about aliens and then I stumbled
upon LA Marzulli. Then it all clicked and it goes
back to the Bible, right. Josh Peck, who's had a
phenomenal career, right? And he his whole salvation
journey started by LA talking about aliens and how it connects
to the Bible. And so there's so much that we
have out there that we can use as our witness by engaging on
these topics. So we have to keep doing it so.
Absolutely. I'm glad you're in the fight
too. I'm here.
You do you think that the alien movement is actually fallen
angels? Oh yeah, of course, Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah.
I think they're fallen angels and I think that they will be a
part of ironically. I really think they're going to
be part of Revelation 12. Oh yeah, and I think AI is well.
The devil and his angels are going to come to earth, right?
And so in the in the final Nephilim, I talk about this
amazing quote from Hippolytus right in 2O2AD where he talks
about that exact passage. That is a literal passage,
right? This is a it's going back in
2000 years. And we have a church father
saying, yes, this is literal, but not only does he say it's
literal, he says, he describes it The angels coming to earth,
the fallen angels coming to earth, he says they're going to
be bathed in beautiful lights, sing hymns floating above the
ground, and the Antichrist is going to be with them.
And how they're going to point to that he he he describes them
as being beautiful, as being amazing, glorious, wonderful
being. Angels of life, the whole thing.
Angel of life. Or they could just say they're
from another planet and we're here to save you.
We're here to rescue. You're our children.
He seated you 7000 years ago. And now we're back to, you know,
help you transcend to your next stage of evolution.
Right. So I do think, I do think
they're fallen angels, They're aliens.
I do think they they'll actually be a part of the end time
scenario. That's how I feel as well.
I feel like they're just in waiting.
And I often times, even though I'm super grateful for
technology, I always think back of the Black Mirror that John D
used. And I always look at my phone
when it's not active and it's got that black shiny screen and
it's liquid crystal display. Liquid crystal Obsidian is what
they used for that scrying mirror.
And I just think, you know, we've got to be careful.
There's a fine line between using something for what you
need to use it for, for God. And because this is all fallen
Angel technology, all of it, people want to focus on makeup.
And I'm like, we got a whole lot more problems than some makeup.
Like, I mean, I get it, but like you are you going to stop using
everything? Because if you are, it's like
everything and you can't own a house because also that's
prideful. So I'm like you, you don't
understand fully. Like people want to say that,
but I'm like, you don't really understand what that means.
And and I think it's valuable. I think you need to understand
it like any, like anything. I think that, you know,
knowledge is power, period. I mean, yeah, but yeah, I'm with
you. I think that it's going to, it's
going to be like the whole AI thing, like the whole Internet.
Like I always think like what's on the other side of that
anyways, that's giving us all this information, 'cause it's
not, it's not what they tell us. I know that much and and.
Ultimately, it's it. It's it's the ultimate way to
control, right? The Antichrist needs technology.
Satan is not God, right? The Antichrist is not God.
He's not omniscient. He's not omnipresent.
He's not omnipotent, right? So he needs technology, right?
We see it, right? Mark of the beast is technology,
right? Whatever it is, whether it's an
actual chip, whether it's a tattoo, whatever it is, it's
technology, right? You're buying and selling.
It's it's technology. The image of the beast is
technology and what is it? It's it's AI right thing, right?
The the the false prophet says that he causes the people to
make an image. So it's something that is made.
It's artificial but it says but then it it's given life.
So it's actually a lie right? So it is the culmination of AI
right? It's every worst sci-fi
nightmare. But then it goes even further
because when you again in in in Revelation 13, it says that the
image and by the way why do they even make the image right?
I think they need the image again because the Antichrist
can't be everywhere at once, right?
He's he's running a world government he's fighting wars
but he didn't have time to sit around like so he had to create
use technology to create an image of himself so people can
constantly worship him every day while he's actually out running
his satanic government and so but the amazing thing that's not
often discussed is that it says that the image has the power to
put to death anyone who's not worshipping the Antichrist.
So it's going to know if for every person on the planet
whether or not you are worshipping how can that be done
right? Obviously only through an
Internet connection and some link to your mind, you know say
a Neuralink, right. So right.
It's going to be accessing your very mind.
I believe it's going to be ultimately, I believe the image
of the beast is going to access the minds of people in the
house. Worship is here, Worship is
here, right. And so it's.
But it's going to know that 24/7.
We're going to know you have to choose.
It will be a. It won't.
Be an accident. No, no, there's no accident.
No one's slipping you anything. It's not going to be presented
as a medicine. It's going to be a absolutely.
You're pledging your allegiance to the Antichrist and to the
devil openly, right? And so, but yeah but technology
is going to be so key to that and and ultimately I think the
culmination of AI is the image of the beast, so.
I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I agree.
We're in for a ride and it's been, it's been an interesting
few years, let me tell you it's it's gotten wild and I think we
can all see the writing on the wall.
We just have to. No one knows the time or place,
but we just have to always, yeah, watch and be prepared.
Like, if you're always prepared and you always watch, you really
don't have anything to really worry about.
Just develop your relationship with God and keep it there.
That's it. And enrich it and feed it.
And if you do all those things, really, this isn't as scary as
one might think. I mean, it is, but it isn't.
We're not supposed to worry. We're not supposed to.
No. No, girls don't.
Yeah. Just skip to the end.
Go. If you're worried, go to chapter
19. To the end, you'll find out.
Spoiler alert. Jesus.
Spoiler alert. Yeah, well, I appreciate this.
Would you like to close this out in a prayer?
Absolutely. I would love to, yeah.
I would love that. Sure, Father in heaven, thank
you so much, Lord, for this time.
Thank you God, for such a time as this Lord, that you have
blessed Heidi. You've blessed myself.
You've given us this privilege and honor to be able to go, to
use technology for good, to use technology for your glory, to
use technology for your word, to share it.
And we don't know who and what countries, whether it could be
Zimbabwe, whether it's India, whether it's Ireland, There are
people all over who can hear this or it could be right down
the street from us in Utah and Texas who are hearing your word.
Lord, and I, we pray, I pray God for you this, this episode, to
bless all the people who are listening to this, who are under
the sound of our voices. Lord, I pray that you bless them
with your truth, with your love. And if they don't know you, if
they don't trust you yet, I pray that this is move them to
believe and see that everything that's happening in the world
was written by you, God. In 96 AD, the Apostle John was
predicting this technology that's only been available in
the past decade. He wrote it in the 1st century,
Lord, because he was given divine inspiration from you,
Lord. And I pray that people believe
your word. They will trust in our Savior
Jesus Christ, who died for their sin, to take their punishment
and believe upon you, Lord, and that this will just be a
blessing to just everyone who hears it will be.
And if it's not for salvation, it will be a little bit of water
on that seed to give them more growth, to bring them closer to
you in your time. Father and I thank you for
Heidi. Lord, I thank you for the
amazing story, for the amazing path and journey and mission
you've given her. Bless her, strengthen her, keep
her close to you. Protect her and her family from
the enemy, from the darts of the of the Adversary.
Lord, And keep her strong in the faith in this walk.
Lord, Because once you step out and put your name in the
airwaves, Lord, we know the enemy is going to come to her
after me and after our families and loved ones.
Well, Lord, so continue to bless her and enrich her.
And let us have many, many more programs for years to come until
you come, God, we ask for all this in the mighty, precious and
most glorious name of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Amen. Amen.
That was beautiful. And will you remind our guests
where they can find you and all your work again?
Absolutely. So my my website is judgement of
the nephilim.com one word and you can find the books there.
My documentaries, the study guide, it's all there.
Additionally, my Facebook, my Instagram and my YouTube channel
are all judgement of the Nephilim one word.
And also, I never mentioned this, but my my documentaries
are available also on Vimeo. On my channel there is Judging
on the Nephilim. You can find the documentaries
there as well, but I have lots of great free content on my
YouTube channel as well. There's lots of this 27 part
series, The Nephilim, My Thursday night theology show I
did for most of the last year and a half or so.
There's lots of great content out there, so feel free to reach
out to me if you have questions, Especially if you have questions
about Revelation being literal, e-mail me.
I'm happy to talk to you about it.
Amazing. Well, I appreciate all your work
and your heart and everything that you've just given it over
and let it go and really gone through and put it, put it to
work. So I know that it helps people
and I know it's helped me. So I appreciate that.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Have a good night.