Without faith, without belief in something, what are we?
You know, the hardest thing is to listen, to hear his voice,
God's fires. It's a leap of faith.
I would rather stand with God and be judged by the world than
stand with the. World and be judged by God.
Welcome back to another episode of Christian Conspiracy
Coalition, a place where the best minds in the conspiracy
realm gather to share and discuss their faith,
Christianity and the spiritual war thrust upon humanity.
John, 38 states the one who does what is sinful is of the devil
because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the
Devil's work, and that is what brings us here today.
We're all sons and daughters of God, and it's our duty to
destroy the devil's work here in the physical realm.
I couldn't be prouder to stand side by side of my fellow
coalition members in this spiritual war.
So let us welcome tonight's coalition.
First up, Heidi Love from the Unfiltered Rise podcast.
Welcome, Heidi. Thank you.
Thank you for having me back. Even though I'm the
troublemaker, I'm happy to be here.
I'm just kidding. Hey, anyone that just draws
attention away from my troublemaking is always a good
thing. Always, always great to have a
scapegoat. Especially if they're a Mormon
or X Mormon. And and I don't have Elon Musk
after me yet, so I mean. No, that's right.
I've got a bigger target I suppose.
Next up. Yes.
I have an X on me, quite literally.
Next up we have Christopher and Jason of Operation Red Pill.
Welcome back fellas. Thanks, Drew.
It's good to be here. No worries.
And Jason is there. Unfortunately, he can't see him.
He's having some video issues, but as you guys know, this is
predominantly an audio podcast, so it's not an issue.
We'll still get his lovely baritone voice and he's going to
contribute as much as he possibly can.
I know it. And for his very first
appearance, Brandon Crowell, Welcome Brandon.
Hey, thanks for having me on. No problem mate.
Natural that you would find your way into this little group after
our previous discussion and the work that you've been doing.
So you are more than welcome, my friend.
Appreciate that. Thank you.
No problem. All right, gentlemen and lady,
in light of tonight's conversation, I need to read
from you Sun Tzu's Art of War within which he famously said if
you know the enemy, know yourself.
You need not fear the result of 100 battles.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained,
you'll also suffer a defeat. If you know neither your enemy
nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
With this in mind, we have tonight's topics that we are
discussing. First up, how much power does
Lucifer really have and how does he wield this control over
humanity? Secondly, does Lucifer know he
will lose this spiritual war? And to finish the show off, is
there a greater evil sitting above Lucifer to get us started?
John 519 states we know that we are children of God and that the
whole world is under the control of the one evil Lucifer.
But what does this mean? How far does this control truly
go? How much of his power is
extended into the heavenly and spiritual realm?
Or does it just reside within the earth in which we live?
Who would like to get started on this little chestnut of a
conversation? I guess I could start.
Yeah. There you go.
So it was really interesting in in looking at you know how much
power he has because it's not something that we even ask
ourselves that often, right. The kind of put parameters on
him. So you know he's the he's the
fallen cherub, he's the one that had said the five I wills he,
his wisdom was perfect until, you know, pride was found in him
or iniquity was found in him. And then he was a merchant who
because of the success of his trade was led into violence.
So it's it's kind of interesting, but I think Dan
Duvall touches on this a little bit.
But he suggests that it's possible that Lucifer isn't
actually the most powerful of celestial beings that exist, but
he has kind of legal rights over a bunch of other entities,
whether it be from trading or, you know, deceit like we see
happen in the Garden of Eden. Because he never, you know,
forced himself on Eve. He was just able to kind of
influence her. And and I guess that that could
be considered a type of power. But it had me going through like
all these scriptures to figure out, you know, like what what is
the Kingdom of darkness look like?
Like how is it structured? Because Second Corinthians 4
four said that you know Satan's the God of this world and then
you know, we go to Ephesians 612 and it talks about the fact that
we fight against rulers and powers and spiritual forces of
wickedness in heavenly places. So those, I mean, if we're, if
we're trying to build a case, those would be underneath him,
right? If Satan was the God of this
world that all of those, that that hierarchy would sit
underneath his his leadership. And then I went to Luke 4 where
Satan is is tempting Jesus, Neo says I I think I have it right
here. It says.
Then the devil taking him up on a high mountain showed him all
the kingdoms of the world in a moment.
And Satan says to him, I will give you all this domain and its
glory, for it has been handed over to me and I give it to
whoever I wish. And what jumped out to me when I
read it this time is he only has it because it was handed over to
him. So I wonder if that's really
where a lot of his is, quote UN quote, power comes from.
Because you know, we don't see continents exploding and you
know this this massive show of force that you would expect from
a, you know quote UN quote powerful celestial being.
But I think choice after choice, contract after contract, trade
after trade, when we choose to do things his way and not our
own way, we hand over bits and pieces to him.
And I don't know if you would call that power or influence,
but I think that's makes up a bulk of what gives him or what
makes him so dangerous to us. We also have to remember that
he's an Archangel as well. He's God's most beloved son of
the heavenly realm who whatever reason turned his back on God
and rebelled. But a lot of people don't
realize, or they neglect to to notice that when we talk about
the devil, evil, whatever this entity is, people often say Abel
cannot create, it can only defile and twist what's already
in existence. Lucifer's brother Michael had
the power, has the power of creation, who are lesser extent
to what God does. So if you look at Lucifer as
merely a musician of the heavens, what do musicians have?
They have creativity. They have the abundance to
create beautiful music, Musical transcripts they can create
through that element. So I think that we often forget
that maybe Lucifer does have the ability to create and in my mind
I think that what we see today and especially in the 21st
century is the entertainment industry.
How much of the of the entertainment industry is
influenced and Co opted and and used as a viable weapon against
us in the spiritual war. And it's interesting that you
mentioned Jason that, oh, Christopher, sorry that we're
not seeing these huge events of destruction when archangels, all
archangels according to scripture, have the ability to
smite. But then it comes back to the
idea of, well, how much power is God allowing Lucifer to have on
Earth because it was gifted to Earth, was gifted to him.
How much of the powers is he allowing him to wield?
And that becomes a bigger part of the question itself.
OK, tap under. Point go for it, yeah.
So. I I would have to agree a lot
with what Christopher just relayed.
I would lean into Enoch only for the reason because it would make
sense that I buy the story that when Cain did his sacrifice, he
basically was kind of ticked at God saying, OK, now I got this
mark on my forehead. I will be willing to sacrifice
to any celestial beings up there if you come down and give me
knowledge of how to go to war against heaven.
So they come down atop of Mount Hermon.
Again, it's coordinates is the 33 degree parallel.
This is why there's 33° in Freemasonry.
And this is where the origins of the Nephilim started, is that
they they said I'm going to give up my celestial body or title
and I'm going to come down here and rather have procreation and
then they have their own kids. So I think one thing we have to
bear in mind is just like as mankind has the ability for free
will, there is also free will in the celestial heavens.
And I think there's there's realms and there's tears that
God allows and permits. And again, so when you're saying
why does God allow that, well, let's go back to Genesis 64.
They're called the sons of God. Sons of God came down and later
on like I was explaining on Cryptid warfare and Josh Monday
is that later on we get in the New Testament, Behold when men
are the love of the Father, that we Christians should be called
the sons of God. I have a very strong suspicion
that Christians, now that Christ has come down here is that we're
going to have access to take over where they failed.
So they proved they were showing they were holding the torch for
me. Whereas every these other ones
wanted to fall and take pleasure.
They wanted the existence of a temporary existence.
So I think God allows and permits the spiritual warfare
with like control the elements and the controls of the minds
and the hearts of men. And this is where we see with
like Job, where the plagues hit him and then you again you when
they were stealing his flock. So you had the hearts and minds
of men to influence them to go in that territory and take Job's
possessions. But I think the biggest thing is
like you were saying, he's he's a magician and that would tap
into alchemy with Hermes and the occult's Messiah.
And for the rest of you guys, I I delve into Nimrod's religion,
I kind of figured out who the occult Messiah is based off of
digging into the symbolism. And they are in love with
alchemy. They want the signs of the
heavens like it's spoken of in Jeremiah 10.
Two. They look to the stars.
It's a star based religion. Even the whole concepts where we
get Dome earth like when they say astronaut.
Think about that word for a second if you broke it down.
Etymology wise Astro meaning of star not as a nautical water.
Angels were known as star walkers.
They walked on water. Luke Skywalker, that's where
that's influenced from. When Christ came down here, he
was walking on water. He was walking over the spirits
of the fallen. Nephilim, another son of God,
sons of God. So there's very powerful
symbolism. And I think the occult is
looking as, oh, we have this knowledge from heaven with this
alchemy that we can turn liquid into gold that we don't have to
worry on creator God. And that's where you get the
phrase that's actually a herma's phrase, not Baphomet, but their
equivalents. Because as above, so below I am
the highest achievement of mankind that we'll ever will be.
And they've kind of manipulating the world to have this
Antichrist perspective and mindset that that's honestly
what Lucifer thinks about, is that I can become or ascend to
become like the God Most High that makes any sense.
You know, It's a lot to unpack. No, I think it does.
I I think one of the things that I I find interesting is that you
don't necessarily have to be the muscle in the room if you're the
brains. Yes, right.
Yes, you can have a tremendous amount of power.
But if we get into this nuanced idea of what do we mean power,
you know, are you the guy that shows up like The rock?
Talk about can you smell what Lucifer is cooking?
You know, finally Lucifer has come back to having to rule.
Are you that dude or are you like Vince McMahon sitting back,
you know, pulling strings, having contractual, legal pull
where you don't necessarily have to go through as in being
powerful in the forceful sense, but you can be powerful in a
legal sense. I think that Scripture presents
a both and scenario, but I think our culture has morphed it into
a supernatural force type of of power and I don't think that's
the type of power that Lucifer really has.
I think most of it is, as I think Christopher was alluding
to, more contractually driven through the trade.
I think he's incredibly intelligent in a very demented
way. And I think that being a, as the
scripture says, being the the chief or the the anointed cherub
that covered in that position, I think there was a lot that he
saw and a lot that he put together.
And I think he he exploited that to his own selfish ambition and
his own selfish means. But I don't think that
necessarily makes him the most powerful in the.
I hate to bring Disney into it, but in, you know, that classic
Aladdin scene, you know, I have all cosmic power.
I think it's kind of, you know, what we imagine when we asked
the question. And I think he's got a
tremendous amount of influence, but I love what Chuck Missler
said and I try to constantly remember this as as wide as we
can imagine our reality. I think the one thing we have to
remember is that we live in a bounded reality on both ends on
the, on the on the macro side and on the the micro side.
And I think the same is is I think it's a universal principle
that is extrapolated out through God's entire creative order.
So even if Lucifer is extremely powerful, or Satan, if he's
extremely powerful, he's still bounded.
And what does that bounded power look like when it's measured
against unbounded power of the creator God?
It's really weird dynamic because I think we're looking at
it from our perspective, every Angel we meet.
I don't know if any of y'all have met any.
I have not personally, haven't cracked any eggs and saw any
Angel show up next to me, because I think I'll probably
shoot one. I don't know how that's going to
go, but I imagine you met 1 Drew.
I've seen one at Tammy White. It turns to what you were black.
Before I was so scared at Tammy White.
Oh, that type of white. I was like, OK, I didn't know
you started out like me. And then after your Angel
experience, you was no longer like me.
Honestly, we'll talk about that offline.
Became like Noah. He became like Noah after,
right? Right.
Drew Drew lost his shine after 41 days up there. 40 days it was
bright, 41 it was off. But no, you could meet the
lowest ranking Angel as a human being and they're going to be
considered immensely powerful in comparison to us.
So we don't even have like an Angel scale to measure when
we're talking about like, how powerful is he?
I don't, I don't know. I don't know what the
incremental levels are. But if we're talking about all
power, he it's not even a dot on the spectrum when it's compared
to God. And if he was, I think that we
might not be here. But I think the reason that we
are here is because, again, we live in a bounded reality.
There is only so much authority or influence or quote UN quote
power that the enemy seems to be able to have.
A scripture speaks to that. Right now, Evil's not able to
run unrestricted. There is a restrainer that is
operating. There are universal laws that
are in place that do not allow evil to run, certainly
unmolested on its way. Now there's a time coming where
that will happen and it will. Unfortunately, it's going to
destroy everything until Christ steps back in, because that's
the nature of evil. It's a weird question to ask and
I think we almost do ourself an injustice when we ask it the the
direction, it's almost like a funnel.
I think when we ask the question we're at the small end of the
funnel looking outgoing. How powerful is it?
And I think the better one is if we reversed that and we looked
at all power and we're zooming in on this, this this Angel that
has a small amount of it, he doesn't really have a corner on
the market when it comes to cosmic power.
Our God does. And so whatever power he has, as
he, as he mentions it, may be from a human perspective, it is
truly limited. And I think he knows that, which
is why the contracts are so important.
The contracts help create a force multiplier so that he
comes across as being immensely powerful.
I think that's the whole point of the Satan and the control
matrix. Because he's not sovereign, he
has to try to replicate that whole attribute of of the
Godhead. Even when he came up to Christ
when Christ was on, was on the planet.
You kind of have this Messiah like essence about you dude.
I'm not quite certain you giving off this this Messiah vibe, but
if you really were, I got to put you through some tests.
We need to run some experiments. I need to see if you really are
this Messiah. I mean, a thorn in my flesh
right now, but I need to know if you, that person I've been
hearing about. Well, if you was all powerful
dude, you would have known. You wouldn't have had to go
through the tricks. You would have known by the
trade who you were dealing with. In fact, scripture even says if
Lucifer had known what he was doing, he wouldn't even
crucified Christ. So it again gives an indication
that his power is limited. Even when he went to God, the
only thing he could do to get the thing with Job happening was
to get God into AAI don't want to say semantical, but a
philosophical discussion. You know, he couldn't just
necessarily go touch Job. He had to challenge God.
Like, OK, look, God, if you did this, I'm quite sure he's going
to do this. We'll test out your theory, but
why not actually go and do what you wanted to do to Job in the
1st place? You couldn't.
You had to go get permission. It shows again that you're
limited in power, and that they're only even in that
exchange. The only real power that Lucifer
would have had would have been missteps on Job's part, which
were created legal loopholes that he could exploit.
This talks to the intelligence that that Lucifer, the devil,
whatever kind of nomenclature you want to go with on this
darker side of things, the true intelligence and the power that
he he wields. Because if you look at the idea
of the fallen ones, those were God like entities.
So much so that they created the idea of these Pagan gods across
the ancient world. Their sons became the men of
renowned the demigods, the the Hercules, the Jason, the
Argonaut type of stories. They had unimaginable power
compared to humans. So even though they are possibly
5/10/15 steps removed from God's ultimate creator power, they are
still something I don't think we can truly underestimate, but.
Lucifer has he, I think he's got this ability where he's he's
very suave, he's sophisticated, he's debonair, he's all these
things that I think are more dangerous than what you would
have for the stereotypical Disney bear guy, which is all
powerful and destructive. When it comes back to those
ideas of contracts. Could you possibly imagine, just
go through this thought process with new people?
What if the devil put a contract into the terms and conditions of
everyone's Apple iPad or the Netflix account?
Because who? Honestly reads those terms and
conditions. What if it's all the way
through, some hidden away that yeah, your immortal soul goes to
the to Lucifer in the end. Imagine if those are the types
of contracts this guy's tricking people on in the modern day.
He doesn't need to be an old powerful demigod on top of a
mountain throwing lightning bolts, he's just using modern
day entertainment. I liked the quote by Paul J
Bucknell in The Devil and His Powers this book.
He said he has his own power by virtue of how God made him.
Satan was the Angel with the highest power and beauty, but he
also has stolen power over man and earth originally given to
Adam. And so that's important because
we look at that. It's not it's not legal right
per se. God allowed it still, but it
wasn't what it was supposed to be.
And so it does say we have to remember he's maybe perfectly
made highest position, very beautiful, super wise, but he's
also self deceived about his own wisdom and beauty, therefore
giving him the little bit of that Achilles heel that we can
get through to. Not that he doesn't deceive, I'm
not saying that for sure he does.
And talking to the ex Satanist that I did when I had Zachary
King on, he is the one that signed many of the deals for
these musicians that we talk about back in the day.
And he said, of course they don't read that, find Netflix,
print. They didn't care, not in that
moment. Yeah, so.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it works that way.
You know, the the spiritual realm appears to be very very
specific and legalistic, and so I I would not be surprised if
there are. You got to look at the real fine
fine print. Not the one that's written ink,
the one that's written in blood. Check that fine print out and
then. Make sure that you.
That you are right with that. I really like how you tapped
into that, Jason. That's the Lamb's book of life
and the the the rules that are being played.
I really like how you brought the legality aspects to it
because I think that's something especially, yeah, of course I
especially with spiritual warfare.
I think I had somebody ask me today like if I believe in the
Rapture. I said no.
And I'm only stating that because of Revelation 6 for the
heads of the Saints and two, the Antichrist makes war against the
Saints at some point. And I think this is where it
taps into also the sleeping bridesmaids at some certain
point. Because, like I always use the
analogy you, you have God's word, which is the lamp unto
your feet as it states in the Psalms.
But a lot of people don't understand what the Holy Spirit
is. And so they tap into this
rapture extraction thing and they're like, well, I get out
before it gets really bad because I got a void pre, you
know, tribulation voucher here. And then I think that puts a bit
of a a, a dampener upon our spiritual warfare and how
adamant we should be and how vocal we should be, how we
should be standing like a Daniel or Meshach and Abednego and
whatnot when we are going up against our governments because
we just say, well, it's not, I'm going to get out before it gets
really bad. I tried to bring that person to
church. It's not my fault they didn't
listen to the pastor. And it's taking away the
individuality of getting down and washing feet ourselves.
And we're supposed to be emulating Christ, not
necessarily all the disciples, but Christ himself.
We have all these analogies, parables and stories not
everybody's going to understand. That's why he says it in
parables. You have the Holy Spirit in you.
That's not a discernment. That is the oil in your lamp.
And a lot of sleeping bridesmaids don't understand
this concept because they're throwing their responsibilities,
they're putting everything, they're putting all their chips
on the Rapture as opposed to taking responsibility
themselves. And I think this would tap into
it. Like Jason saying, you
eventually get to heaven and you're the servant that wasn't
using any of your talents, you buried it.
Everybody else tried to at least do something with what I gave
them as best they could, and you hid it.
Get out. Depart from me.
I never knew you. It's very scary because he's not
saying that phrase of a bunch of atheists.
He's saying it to people that are allegedly calling themselves
Christians. And personally, I would like to
classify some individuals that aren't waking up.
They're not seeing it. They're putting so much emphasis
on a Holy Land and a holy people that they're not seeing.
You are the new temple. When that veil is ripped in two,
you're now indwelled. Go forth, be that temple.
Bring it. Go on the road like Christ did.
And a lot of us are. A lot of them.
They're just, I'm a cubicle Christianity.
I don't need to go out and do anything.
I'm I'm happy right where I'm at.
Brandon, would you say by extension, if we're going down
the idea, this legalese and the contracts that exist within the
realm of what Lucifer can and can't do, what lines he cans
step over, which he can't where, which lines he straddles and
kind of pushes the boundaries? Would you say that people in our
faith a lot of the time feel like they're waiting for like
the heavenly police force to intervene if if one of these
contracts is pushed or something is deemed illegal according to
spiritual contract, that we're awaiting something more divine
than us to intervene on our behalf.
When really, if we're living as Jesus did, we can push back and
we can challenge ourselves. I would say, I would say to an
extent, I know I had one lady under a YouTube thing and I was
saying that I didn't believe in the Rapture.
And she says, well, you're then you're going to be going to hell
and you're going to be experiencing the tribulation.
And I was like, well, I would hope for a rapture, but I'm not
putting my faith in the rapture. I still have faith in Christ's
son and God himself. And I think some individuals are
somehow putting the promises of Scripture like they're they're
tainting it to make you feel comfortable.
They're they're dumbing it down. They're becoming lukewarm and
God and Christ, Christ and God. They're they're saying no.
I need you to be adamant in the faith.
I need you to be, as you know, like a lion roaring back at the
lion that's seeking to devour the sheep.
We're meant and called to lead. We're meant to get down and help
our fellow brothers and sisters like I.
If I could use this analogy as well.
That's one of my life verses is Luke 2232 is right after I
believe he says the phrase upon this rock.
He's pointing at Herman where it all happened, where people are
now looking to a celestial rebellion mindset because upon
that rock I'm going to build my church and then he, you know,
get behind me Satan, he says to Peter.
Then he says, but I have prayed for you, Peter, that Satan
desires to sift you like wheat, but when you are ready,
strengthen the brethren and then we get what do we get Later on,
he he denies Christ three times. Fast forward a little bit more
and he says, feed my sheep, feed my sheep, feed my sheep three
times to him says, you're ready now, buddy.
I know you had a little moment or is getting a little bit, you
know, hard for you. But now you can go around and
strengthen the sheep yourself. You're ready to fish for men
now, fishermen. And I think that's a metaphor
that we're really not seeing and applying in the Christian walk.
I think that's something where we now just like, oh goody to
shoot Jesus and we don't take on the we're supposed to put on the
armor of God because we don't understand what the Holy Spirit
is. I think that's honestly where a
lot of people claiming to be Christians are actually infusing
with the synagogue of Satan and they don't even see it.
And I think this is where we have to also understand that
what was going on back in his day, he had the Sadducees, the
Pharisees, the bumblebees. Now we got the Catholics, the
Lutheran's, the such, and So's. It's all rebooted.
Old Testament, New Testament. There has to be a reason for the
savior to return, because we're getting it all goofed up again,
and only the ones that are. Like if you're not emphasizing
your denomination and your building, you actually might be
starting to emulate Christ. Oh.
This is where it's right. Yeah.
This is where Satan he interferes with the transmission
of truth. And this is what I say for a
lack of a better world, where the huge amounts of
denominations just in Christianity alone we see it in
other faiths. But in Christianity, the huge
division across what fundamentally is 1 faith could
very well be construed as the transmission of truth and the
placing of false believers within the church, and the idea
that as Christians, we should live by his example and preach
the truth. But how often are we overcome by
societal norms, how we're perceived by our peers, what's
considered to be political correctness?
Things that we know fundamentally are true in our
souls, our hearts, and of God, But we're afraid to.
It's almost like society's being built in this manner, that
Satanic control matrix that Christopher and Jason put so
articularly. It's in there to muddy the
waters, to make truth the mistruth, or just have enough of
the truth there to make it palatable for people like these,
these weekend Christians who attend to their church, listen
to their pastor, and think they're all done and sorted.
They feel comfortable in that, but they feel uncomfortable in
in respectful challenge and conversations in the real
community. Yeah, I think that's one of the
things that makes the The Lies of Lucifer so dangerous is the
fact that so many of us want to hear them, right.
We want to believe, we want, we want to shed our responsibility.
I think it was Rod Dreher in his book Live Not by Lies, calls it
therapeutic theology, 'cause. We only want it where it feels
good. We only want it to relieve our,
you know, our pain, our stressors.
And I mean, we see it all through the the mixing of the
the Pagan world and our different denominations.
Like, you know, I've heard some people argue that, you know,
Jesus was for socialism because we're supposed to take care of
the poor and the needy, right. But it's it's it's just like you
were saying it's it's not we don't pawn off that
responsibility to any other group.
We as individuals have the responsibility to take care of
those people. It's not give them the
government's money, it's give them your money, give them your
food. Give them your time.
Give them your love. And then I think that also plays
into this authority piece because the Bible tells us that
we have been given authority over the works of the enemy.
Why would we be given that authority if we weren't expected
to do something with it? We're not just supposed to sit
back and say the prayer? You know, angels deal with it.
I'm just, you know, I'm going to go to church on Sunday and have
lunch and everything's going to be hunky Dory.
That's where everybody knows why you were given the authority is
so that you can get your heavenly XP points up to a
certain level, so that you can show your friends like, look
what I've got now, I hit the authority 3.6 level, I'm dope.
And then you sit back and look at it.
That's. Everybody knows that it's.
Not perfect. What is there?
Is there Is there a ranking system?
Gold, frankincense and myrrh And you want to get to the gold
level? I'm.
Trying to get that gold level, you know?
Christopher's on Nephilim, yeah, Christopher's on Nephilim level.
He doesn't have to worry about it.
But, you know, listen, I I wanted to circle back.
I love these conversations, but they're hard because there's
like all these little points that you want to go to.
Brandon, I thought you were saying something a moment ago
that was really interesting. Not to get into a a discussion
on the Rapture, but one of the things Christopher and I have
talked about several times is even though we are we, we do
endorse the idea of the Rapture. The problem that we've seen many
times with people who endorse it is this escapist idea, which is
I don't have to do any work, I don't really have to suffer.
I can escape tribulation, I can escape trial.
I just need to coast through and hit that finish line and then
I'm safe. Across the plan, bro.
It's it's It's so problematic, Right, Right.
It's so problematic. Now here's what's interesting.
Let's say that the Rapture isn't really what what we've been
taught in the West, right? If you, if you ascribe to this
escapist idea, you're screwed. You, you really don't help
anybody next to you. You don't take any ground away
from the enemy. You're not really a factor
within the spiritual war. You're just sitting, wishing,
praying, hoping that you don't. Nobody sees you.
That's a problem. But let's say it is true.
Let's say if we go back and we look at Scripture, we got at
least two accounts for people appear to have been raptured.
One is with Enoch, the other is with Elijah.
Both of those dudes was actively involved in one walking with God
and taking spiritual not just authority over their
environments, but they were in direct conflict with the forces
of darkness in their respective operational fields.
If the Rapture is true, and these are the two indications we
got of it, then I think people ought to be functioning from
that perspective, which would nullify the escapist idea.
And that that really if I if so just for a second.
But that's one of the two things.
If I did tap into Rapture it would be those who are actually
awake and then you get the people like in the you know left
behind series he's like I'm the pastor how did I get left behind
Right, right. No, no, you're good.
You're good. This plays in then to our
question of how much power does Lucifer have, because if you
take those two accounts just as case studies.
What do we see happening with those two dudes?
We see a lot of conflict, but we see a lot of taking it to the
enemy's throat. You got Enoch, who walked with
God from just from whatever. I don't know what happened in
that man's life. I don't know what he saw go down
for one day. He was just like, yo, this ain't
cutting it. God, I'm going to be with you
24/7 because as as hell is tripping.
Yeah, that's about the 33rd, 1000, baby.
I've seen executed. I just don't think this is the
right way. To go.
Yeah, 33rd 1000. I'm just getting pictures of
Enoch in my mind running around like a John Wick type of
character back in the day. Spiritually.
Yeah, you're making him look like some kind of secret agent.
I'm just saying, he walked with God like that was the thing that
when he showed up. Is that Enoch?
Hey, you know I walks with God, right?
You best watch what you say, because if you come at me, I
will be no more and neither will you mess with.
Me, bro. Right.
You know what I mean? But you got Enoch, he, he does
what he does. And then you have Elijah.
And Elijah's taking it to the prophets of Baal.
He's he's he's messing up Jezebel's thing.
He's there's a lot going on around him that's crazy,
especially if you imagine it from a spiritual perspective.
Then let's say we we take Jesus. Jesus shows up on the scene.
Everywhere Jesus goes, he he incites problems.
You know, for Dude, this credit is being peaceful.
He pisses a lot of people off. Like, a lot.
He's. Just flipping tables, whipping
people. Right.
Like, OK, jury check this out. I often tell people I got ABS
and BS right when they ask like what's my degree?
I got ABS and BSI can piss people off pretty easy.
Jesus shows I have. I have never had anybody want to
want to stone me. My mom threw a shoe at me and
that's about as close as it came.
Nobody's lined me up. It was like we throwing stones
at this dude for the last three things he said.
That's the level of pissed off at this that Jesus would take
with people when he would start calling people out.
You know, you say somebody is like a brood of Vipers.
First off, I don't know what a brood is, but you're not just
going to call me a snake Jesus like that and say I'm with a
whole bunch of them. That's not right.
I don't like that. That's not very Christ.
Like, Lord, he messed with people's technology, right?
He messed with their theology. He messed with the spiritual
forces that were empowering them, and then he dealt with
territorial governmental agencies that were supporting
the spiritual activities of that environment.
That's not nice stuff. That's a lot of of, that's a a
lot of conflict and directed spiritual activity that's
happening against the Kingdom of darkness.
Right. And this is the model that he
said it. Sorry, why did I go through all
of this? Well, we're asking the question,
how powerful is Lucifer really? If we follow the footsteps of
what Jesus is showing us, however powerful he may be?
And to give it a nutshell answer, I think Lucifer is
probably less powerful than we think.
Well, more powerful than we think, but less powerful than he
claims. I think it's probably about
where where it is. But even if that's the case, the
authority and power that that Jesus has given us, which is
vested in him and it's coming from him, is way more
concentrated and impactful on the spiritual spectrum.
And Jesus demonstrates this time and time again when he goes in
and upsets the territory of spirits over where he's at.
If we follow that, then we get to do the same thing.
So if Satan is really powerful, it's only so much.
And we're given quite a bit of authority to respond back.
We get the noisy cricket in the words of Will Smith.
Now, most of us don't want to shoot that one.
We want the big gun. So since we don't like shooting
the noisy cricket, we put it down.
Then we don't think we got a lot of power because you never shot
the noisy cricket. Now once you do, there's like,
oh snap, this thing really works.
Oh, snap prayer really works. Oh snap, casting out demons
really work. Wait, demons are real?
Yeah, they're real. You know, you really start
seeing, hey, there really is a a strong, concentrated measure of
power that's been afforded to us, and that power grows.
Why? Because part of what humanity
was designed to do was to actually be an outpost for the
Kingdom of Heaven and to take the authority that God invested
in US and expanded out into the cosmos to bring about order that
Satan had undid by inducing chaos and to reinstitute the
Kingdom of God throughout the cosmos.
So we must have a fair degree of power at our fingertips and that
spiritual Kingdom must not like us stepping in and messing with
what they're doing. Which makes me think maybe he's
not as powerful as he says. Here's one of the greatest tools
I think he has with us. One is misconception, which he
exploits 2 is fear. I'd almost argue that on a
powerful power level, I think fear is more powerful than
Lucifer is if it fears an entity and you had to measure them out
because it seems like everything we deal with is fear based.
Even God had to say perfect love casts out perfect fear.
Wasn't perfect love cast out perfect evil?
Like, what's this thing with fear that we all seem to live by
and get exploited in our lives? I mean to Jason's .2020 would
have never happened if not. Sorry.
You know what I'm saying? Fear seems to be a huge thing
that's exploited almost like I think that might be the muscle
behind Lucifer. The other thing is death.
Look, well, hang on, Chris, are you going to that?
It's. Interesting then?
Well, no, it was just an interesting idea, You know, if
if that is, you know, like you said, the muscle, then every
time like a good guy shows up, his first response or first
statement to humanity is fear. Not dealing with the muscle
before they give the message. That is crazy.
Huh. That's kind of dope.
I didn't think about that. So it's like you can't lift a
lot of your muscles unless you have your mind.
As Heidi will test definitely with her medical background you
you can't do something and and I think the same would apply in
the metaphoric sense of the spirituality.
You don't know what you could be and I'm not saying like a
sentient thing saying spiritually unless you have
Christ and the Holy Spirit you don't understand the power that
you have. If you have the the, the faith
of the of the, the grain of a mustard seed, you can move a
mountain. And I think that's something
we're not again, we're like, oh, that's a cute story.
We walk out of church because it's just a check box.
It's not something where we're being fed.
Now I personally look at church as something like this, where
we're having a conversation or I'm actually being fed.
I'm fueling my tank so I can keep going up down the road.
Doesn't matter about a building, It matters about where two or
more are gathered. And I think a lot of people
aren't tapping into that, you know, so therefore the enemy,
he's taking the lukewarmness. So when we get something like
2020, we see the churches tapping into the tax credit
churches where they're like, well, we want to be in good
standing with the police in our community and we don't want to
cause a ruckus. And it's just like So why are we
wearing a mask, an emblem of death and fear, when we
celebrate a Savior who conquered death by understanding?
I had I had many preachers who said it was Jesus vaccine.
It was given by Jesus. You know that.
That's crazy. I'm going back to the Mormons.
The Mormons told everybody to get it and stood up in their
church and told them and all their children to run right down
and get it and be good Saints. But isn't it ironic?
Isn't isn't it ironic that we had so many people that can't
believe in an A visible God could believe in an invisible
virus and. Breakdown the word.
A virus that is only like 3 foot above the.
Ground derailed. Everywhere.
Sit down and rest. Really fine.
And even you break down the word of virus.
VIR means a a man in Latin verveer.
And then you get us. It's a fear of us.
We're afraid of ourselves. Well, and then we put on masks
and stand 6 feet apart like in the OTO and the OTO rituals.
Let's. Do that.
Well, even then. Even then, breakdown the word
etymology for vaccine, it means of or from a cow.
And you have a certain group that calls us goyim, which means
cattle. Do you understand, folks?
You've been played, you've been hacked.
But it only works because we're afraid.
Right. Yes, and this whole fear.
Thing. Jason, this fear thing you've
tapped into I think is really going to tie back to something I
want to bring up in our last topic of today.
So I'm actually quite excited that you brought that up.
Does anyone else have anything to finish off this topic point
of how much power Lucifer truly has?
I think, Jason, you just summed that up really well in your last
statement there. You nailed it.
That's cool, Giroud. Because I got nothing else to
add, man. Chill man.
All right, in closing, in in closing of this one, Lucifer's
powers in the heavenly realm and on earth are great and should
not be underestimated. Since his instigation of evil on
earth, Satan's had been named the Prince God, or ruler of this
world and realm. He's the enemy of God and truth
and does everything he can to tempt individuals and larger
groups of people he leads the world astray.
Satan accomplishes this by various means, including
appealing to man's pride, interfering in the transmission
of truth, and placing false believers within the church.
We must do all we can and be eternally vigilant.
Are they? Are they genuine proportions of
truth within our religion in our faith?
This is where our discernment comes into it.
Even with what we're presented with at our church on weekends
or for family members or friends, we still have to have
that air of discernment in the back of our mind.
What true rings true for us and what rings true of God?
Our next topic Does Lucifer know he actually lose?
This is something that I've kind of seen people sit on the fence
with, or be adamantly opposed. Either way, does Lucifer know
he's going to lose? Are we asking this seemingly
logical question? Does it have to be something
that's a yes or no or an all? If he does know he's going to
lose, why does he persist? Is it out of some form of spot,
a means of destroying and defiling as much of God's
creation as he possibly can while he can?
Or does he believe he can possibly truly win this?
And I love that question. All I can hear is, Mr. Anderson,
why do you persist? I think, I think it's so, so,
so, so interesting. A very nuanced question.
Because you can, let's say Lucifer knows he's going to
lose, right? And then you can only get that
from way of Lucifer's, Lucifer's familiarity with the word of God
and whatever things have actually been written, as well
as anything that's been spoken in the heavenly realm. 2 angels
that we just haven't heard. Let's say he knows that.
That's not the real question. The question is, does he believe
it? Now that's the scary thing
because the other day, you know, God pointed out to me, you do
realize that that Satan and all those demons and all of them,
they know more scripture than you do.
And I was like, wait, wait wait, wait, say what?
Oh no, no, they know it. No can quote it to you ad
nauseam. So just knowing it doesn't work
and what's the difference? They don't believe it.
They don't act on it. Belief is super important.
I think he may know what the scripture says.
I don't think he believes it. I think that's half the
contention. I can still win and I also don't
think you can be so self deceived as we're talking about.
And him really walk away thinking you know what, this is
probably the one instance in all of creation that that Yahweh is
telling the truth I am going to lose.
I don't think he believes that. I think he's really working
towards. I got a couple angles right
here. Y'all ain't synched it.
It's about to work. We just got a couple things we
got we got down to 8 people last time and the plan almost worked.
Technically God cheated. I'm figuring that's how he gets
the troops riled up. OK, we was almost there.
So we execute this one more again, we going to be OK and we
can win this time. We got the people's helping us.
We've got 5G, we've got the we got the Internet.
We've got all these things man is doing that's going to help us
they're on board. We going to win troops.
I'm imagining he's got to believe it else what are you
doing? Like how are you going against
the most? First you'd have to convince
yourself that the most high is not the most high.
You'd have to wake up However you imagine your when you
created, when you were created, and I won't say born.
But when you self-awareness, you know you looked around and he
was like, well, I'm a spirit. And then there's this one over
here talking about worship me and he's a spirit.
I don't quite see what the difference is between us.
We both spirits. He just must evolve before me.
Yourself justifies it as he's not the most high, the most
higher, and it's just a deviation of where the level of
height is. There could be that.
But you know, it's funny he said that he didn't want to elevate
his throne to the highest part. He just wanted to be equal.
So I think he realizes there is some limitations again when we
were talking about being bounded.
But I think his claim to everything else is I might not
be as strong as Yahweh, but I'm better than Yahweh because
Yahweh created all of this and it went into chaos and all of
that. But if you follow me, I can
bring some order out of this and we can really evolve and rise up
to be our truest selves. And I think that's what he
believes. Could I tap onto that?
Yeah, yeah. Because the because the Holy
Spirit was hitting me with some stuff as well.
And I I was, I was, I was thinking, yes, to an extent he
does know he's going to lose, but he's a massive cognitive
dissonance. He's in denial, as is most of
his followers on Earth are well, you know, you know what about
God? Oh, I can become like a God if I
just, you know, get a chakra, kundalini, whatever.
Like the spirit thing. Well, it goes back to being
self. It says one of the things in
that list I gave earlier with with the quotes that I gave from
that book, that he is self deceived.
So this is not not a big surprise like he yeah, he
doesn't have. It's like he has no ability to
see what's right in front of him.
You know, it's like Stockholm Syndrome.
He he he's so full of himself in this ideology, he doesn't see
the other side. That's why he hates the
followers of Christ, because they're pointing back to the
Creator. And he's like, well, I want them
to follow me. What what?
What is this deal here? It's the Emperor's New Clothes.
Yeah, right. And This is why.
Sorry Bren, he's a metaphysical manifestation of the ego.
Yes. And I think that why he needed,
he needed Nimrod's son to be his vessel because that's kind of
how Nimrod's son perceived himself as or Hermes whatever
you want to go by with the emerald tablets very full of
himself saying I'm you know I'm basically indwelled with the sun
like you break down the word pyramid, you basically get π
which is fire. So pyromaniac think like that
Ray or Rah which is of the sun and mid in your midst.
So you get basically when you break down the word the fire of
the sun is in your midst and since he saw himself as like you
know I'm just like my dad Nimrod I I am basically Nimrod two
point O. They believe in regeneration
reincarnation hence Christmas trees that's what it they they
believe in the pine cones that's why it looks similar to the the
pineal gland. That's why pine cones were given
out before hearts for Valentine's Day.
They believe this concept that they can get rebooted, whereas
Christ, he's like, you've already seen me like this
before. See, I died, but I came back,
those other guys with this regeneration thing, I just
proved them frauds. So to tap back to what we were
saying is like, I think somehow because of this fear, it's faith
versus fear. And he thinks that if he can
weaponize man, God's most beloved creation, it'll somehow
balance out where he comes from. And I think personally, like he
like Jason was saying breakdown, 5G5 is pentagram means God Ram.
So again, God Ram would be equally to Baphomet.
Why do we speculate that it was an apple in the Garden of Eden?
Well, when you cut an apple in half, it ends up having five
points to it. So it's the pentagram sigil of
Astroth, Nimrod's wife. You can look that up in a Google
search. It's not going to just be you'll
find Sigil of Asheroth. This is Nimrod's wife.
So when we have that the sigil of man on Baphomet's forehead,
AKA another variant of Nimrod's son Tammuz, and he's sitting
there with this 5G mentality, is like, is it possible that these
fallen giants like the angels, what they want to do, they want
to give their kids bodies back. So when we see all these
mountains that are frozen and whatnot and Christ says the
phrase, if I did not speak, the rocks would cry out in praise.
Why? Because these fallen giants,
they want their bodies back. But they can't do that now if
you get mommy and daddy let loose from under the river
Euphrates and people are consenting a form, what does
that ultimately do? You create a demonic possession
grid. So now there's giant can be the
giant spirits can be like a Mr. Smith and a matrix.
They can go from one person to the next via you know 5G and
what not your cell phone. Where do we get the Internet
from Was from CERN. CERN is an equivalent of Osiris
the God of the underworld or the dead.
And what does Internet mean? Enter of a tomb or corpse net
withheld restrained an animal or a person.
So I think what they're trying to do is that they are focusing
still on materialism of this realm, fleshly body.
Whereas Christ is saying, I'm willing to give you their
positions because if you accepted me, you're now the new
adopted sons of God. So you can now get their robes,
you now get their crowns, you now because you held the torch
for the bridegroom's return. So I think that's.
All you just talking too much, man.
I I see why you don't get Shadow man.
So. Yeah, you you you just tell all
the secrets that's yeah. They not going to like you on
the 5G Internets. They, they.
They. Heidi will attest.
I I I crashed our podcast for 30 minutes.
I hit. My We had to finish it on the
phone. We had to finish the podcast via
telephone. It was.
Well, I haven't had any of the technical difficulties I had
today before, so I was blaming Heidi.
I think it's not redirected. That's funny.
It's not me, but. I.
Think it's also interesting. Go ahead.
Sorry, just real quick.
I think it's interesting. What is it second, I think it's
second Timothy 4 that in the end times people will believe the
doctrines of demons. And we hear that a lot and a lot
of times it gets, you know, the Christianese that we say it, but
we don't know what it means. But I think that one of the key
takeaways there is that they believe this.
Like, on some level, like, it's their doctrine.
They're not just trying to convince us of something.
They don't believe themselves. They've bought into this, you
know, whether it is that Lucifer can win or, you know, we're
putting all of our chips on this guy.
Like they believe it. And that's what they're trying
to convince us to. Yeah, and I think Lucifer does
to a fair degree. I mean, what is the point then,
in trying to invoke so much human participation?
What's the point in using CERN to breach the divide that God
has put up in order to allow the spirits that are incarcerated to
have less, better access to mankind?
What's the point in getting mankind involved in this
intergalactic or cosmic battle? Why, if you hate us so much, why
go through all the effort? You probably hate us, and you
hate the fact that you need us. What do you need us for?
Because of what we were created for in the 1st place where your
access point were. The way that you get to try to
take back heaven if you can dethrone Jesus, and he already
proved he can die once, so maybe maybe you can kill him again.
We're not we're not really sure on this speaking, you know from
enemy's perspective, I have I'm quite sure Jesus going to win.
But if you're trying to rally the troops, we might be able to
to kill him again and then we can install our own God, man.
We can install the the replacement Christ and since
there are legalities that are in place under Yahweh's Kingdom, we
can show that a he's not all powerful because, well, he
obviously died again and we won that one.
Or we can make a judicial case against him to suggest that he
wasn't righteous in the 1st place where he should lose his
right to rule because he's claiming that he is the only one
that's righteous and worthy. And if we can create this off,
you know, this illicit monstrosity life form, then we
can also claim he's not the only one who can create.
So then he should lose his claim as a creator guy.
And so we'll get him on full technicalities across the board.
We'll set up our own reality. We can dethrone him.
He doesn't. We don't have to follow his
rules and we get to win. And I think he genuinely
believes it because he's got these plans in place trying to
execute this and he just keeps getting ticked off at all of the
key points. But scripture does say that he's
going to get really close. And I think that as he gets
really close it, it offers what's that word phrase
Christopher uses conformational bias.
It's this idea that you know what?
I'm starting to win. So I guess I really can win.
We'll just keep pressing this, this forward and we're almost
there. We'll we'll get it.
I really think that's what he's acting on.
I mean, to cut you off. Hardy, Heidi, what were we going
to say? Oh, I was just saying like, of
course they're going to rally with him.
The troops will rally because the watchers have no other
choice and they hate us anyways because in the end days we will
judge them and they don't like that because we were just made
out of dirt and they probably think we're this in incompetent
little brother. That was disgusting and we're
going it says yeah well you know they said we stink John D, as
you guys well know said that we smell really bad so and so you
know they have to rally behind him they it's really the only
hope they have so. I liken it too.
He's been winning like that, Confirmation bias.
He's been winning for so long. He's got all his his pawns out
and play on the chess board and he's about to make this
Krasinski move. It's going to win the absolute
game and he's so sure of himself.
He's so bold, he's so arrogant. He thinks he's got it in the bag
and all it takes is 1 move from the opposition to topple the
whole game. And at that point, I often think
he's like the the younger sibling who is losing at
Monopoly and they know they're going to lose at last minute, so
they flip the table, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yep. So this becomes.
This becomes another question though.
Like if the devil knows he's going to lose or has an inkling
but doesn't believe in in God's going to win at the end is a
greater question than what if if God knows everything that's
going to happen or has ever happened?
He knows everything. He's omnipotent.
Being the creative God. Did he know Lucifer was his most
favorite son that was going to rebel against him?
If so, why create him in the 1st place?
Could he not have put something in place that could prevent the
rebellion or circumvent it in some way?
Why did he allow it to happen if God knew it was going to occur?
That's one of those questions that you hate getting asked in
like, you know, St. Christianity, like real quick.
If you're God's real, then why did he allow?
It's a yes or no answer, Jason Quickly 5 seconds 5.
For the same reason your parents birth, you know, what do you
talk about? Parents know you guys grew up.
That was a Cher concert and 1975 XY Falcon.
That's the reason why. Oh, that's why.
But but they knew you was going to mess up even in the from the
1975 Cher Falcon and here you are.
You know what I mean? I think though from a
theological perspective I I think that that question is very
challenging and nuanced. But I think it also has an
answer that I don't think most of us would like.
I think one of the biggest reasons for allowing the
creation of Lucifer in the 1st place, even knowing that he's
going to fall, was one as a spirit that loves your your
greatest thing is to extend that love out.
Like God had perfect relationship.
He wasn't necessarily in need of additional things, but being
giving as he was, he decided to create other creatures so that
he could share that love and that perfect relationship with
them, giving them free will. They did not have to choose.
Now, knowing that they would choose does not put the
accountability back on God for creating them.
It still is a free will decision that that entity makes.
Therefore the entity is still responsible for what they
choose. But I also think that there's a
hidden reason for why allow Lucifer not necessarily just to
be creative, but why allow him to continue.
But I think that reason is to prove something to all of
creation that needs to get hammered in.
And it's the one thing that I think even today, even in the at
the edge of modernity, we still wrestle with this question that
is rooted back in antiquity. And that is, whose way is
better? Like, is it really your way?
God, how about your way with A twist?
I mean, Frank Sinatra got it better.
I think, you know, Jesus was talking about I'll do it your
way, Father, Not my will, but yours be done.
And Sinatra said, I did it my way, and we all seem to like
Sinatra's version better than the one in scripture.
There's something about about free will and about sentient
beings that have to have that moment where we're willing to
subject our will to the creator. I think the elect angels have
decided that they are willing to subject their will to their
creator, period. And I think the follow ones
decided we're going to do it our way, and the case is out right
now. Does doing it your way really
work? And I think God is allowing.
I think part of the reason that God is allowing this to go is to
prove the fact it doesn't work. You get evil gets its chance to
make its case on the cosmic board in the cosmic courtroom.
And I think he gets to show. Look at all of these
infractions, look at all the damage.
Look at everything that has transpired over the course of
history. And it all started because one
creature didn't want to do it my way, didn't want to work with
me. So for everybody else watching,
for everybody else to struggle with it, your way doesn't work.
I'm struggling with that question today, just me
personally, I got that same question.
Are you sure? God, because I think if we made
a left at Albuquerque, we would be a little bit better than what
we're at right now, you know? And I.
You almost touched on something. Doing it your way.
Doing it my way. You forgot that the ancient
Hebrews did it. Yahweh.
There you go. Well, and ultimately, do you?
Do you know what's sweet and delicious?
If all you've ever had is salty and bland or or like, do you do
you know? Like how would we know what we
want if we had nothing to compare it to?
And also what would we need saved for and salvation for if
we had no, no reason, right? Like, it goes back to that.
Like there would be no reason for Jesus.
If we didn't need saving, there would be no there.
We would not have any of this. And ultimately, just like with
our kids, you want to have them choose the best things, but you
also are there for them when they really foul it up.
I mean it. It's just part of it.
I ultimately asked that question because it becomes like the time
traveler paradox. If God had for knowing of all
the events that were ever going to come from his outcomes, why
would you do it? I think that's a a position a
lot of new Christians find themselves in, either those that
have come back to faith or have found faith for the first time
in reading it. Why would an all powerful
omnipotent being allowed to happen in the 1st place?
And I think that's something that a lot of early Christians,
even some that are, I mean Christians their whole life,
sometimes struggle and wrap to wrap their mind around.
And I don't think we can always have a defined human answer.
We're trying to understand with their tiny little monkey brains,
essentially this, what this creator God has done and what
he's brought about. We can't understand it.
It's just like when you're a kid and your older siblings playing
the PlayStation and they've got theirs plugged in and yours
isn't yours pretending to play along, trying to understand a
broader thing that you don't quite get.
All the buttons, yeah, that's, I said.
That earlier, I think that taps into again with Marvel they're
always throwing out subconscious and messaging to us with portals
and then the Eternals and the series What if?
And I think that's one of the scariest questions that was ever
asked by Lucifer Azazel is he asked that question what if,
what if I could replace you? What if you didn't exist?
And I think that's kind of what God wants us to understand.
And when the metaphoric senses, if you ask that question, you
don't have the fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of
wisdom, you're going to ask that question.
What if I didn't need you? What if there wasn't a creator
God? And that's why they create this
whole counter narrative. So at least people bewildered
and confused, eventually we get to Pontius Pilate and Christ is
standing before him. This guy has just gone through.
He was like, he's having a aqueduct issue and in his empire
he was having issues with a couple of revolts that went on
and basically Rome's going, Yup, dude, you're on your last
morning. If you piss us off again, you're
fired. And he's over here like, OK, so
now he's getting this issue crisis coming up before him and
they're learning all all this stuff and he goes, all right
buddy, you're not speaking. It's like, what is truth?
Tell me, I I'm honestly want to know at this point because my
life is on the line. My neck is on the line.
I want to know He's truth and it's standing right in front of
him and he still can't see it. And it's one of the saddest
questions of man, because a lot of people don't know this.
While Christ was crucified, Pontius Pilate ended up offering
himself. Couple of years later.
Yeah, didn't. Know.
That, and this is again, when I was, when I'm, when I was
tapping into this other metaphor where why did Christ, when he
was healing that one particular blind man, rub some spit and mud
and rub it on the guy's eye. Why did he do it in a phase?
Very intentional. It was a metaphoric thing that
we're supposed to take away from that.
He goes, what do you see? And like trees walking, OK, so
let's break that down. What were trees affiliated with?
Well, let's rewind back to the Garden of Eden.
It's very highly speculated that the first word out of Adam's
mouth got breathed into him and he went first breath of man.
Every time you draw a breath you're saying your creator's
name. Every knee shall bow.
Every time shall come Jesus Christ this Lord, because you're
literally saying your creator's name with every breath you take.
Now let's go over to what the occult believes or what Nimrod
was going into and how they tapped into all these very in
deities. Why was there Groves under Ash,
Roth and Bale? Why was there stars at top of
the tree and Jeremiah one through 5?
Because they believed, just like God breathed air into us, that
trees were a conduit to the celestial realm, so therefore
that continued life. Because it gives us oxygen, so
therefore our deity must be in there.
So they're cutting it down, they're putting in idols,
they're setting them up and they're praying unto them.
And God's like, I created the Dang tree, take that thing out
and they're over here. Like regeneration,
reincarnation, give us fertility, give us this.
And God's like, are you serious right now?
And if you don't want to believe that, well again breakdown one
through 5 and Jeremiah verse 2 E not like the heathens that look
to the stars in the heavens and are in awe and fear of them.
Stars and again angels were known as star walkers, so
they're looking to these demons. And again breakdown
denominations Eamon I Nations seminaries.
Semiramis was Nimrod's wife. Hermeneutics, Hermes, it has all
already infiltrated into our culture.
The the distraction of what if you had a substitute?
What if we were wrong? What is truth?
Can you answer me that? And I think if you have people
bewildered, you end up coming down to two major religions in
the world. One is desperately trying to
keep all their followers asleep. The other one is trying
earnestly to wake everyone up. I think he just broke someone's
mind. Who owns a Christmas tree farm?
It's like. Man, why have I got this
Christmas tree farm? I'm putting in grapes, putting
in something. Else, no stars, no stars.
You're a star, I understand. Look at stars of Hollywood.
Why? They all shaped like pentagrams.
Yeah, why did Aleister Crowley say every man would be a star
so? Yeah, Why did Earth Wind and
Fire talk about your shining star?
Oh, oh, music is all about it. Oh my gosh, we can't even get
into it. We'll be here all.
Day you wish upon a star. Are you praying to an idol?
What Whoa. Druids tree worship.
It comes from somewhere, folks. Look into it.
Now I'm having a problem with Reading Rainbow.
Yep, all all of these things. They're everywhere.
Yeah, but ultimately, as a parent, don't you want your
child to, like, choose the right instead of just you forcing it?
Like, you could force it, but it doesn't mean nearly as much as
your kid doing it without you there.
Like, I think that has a big part of it too.
You know, I always look at it. I didn't.
Finish where I was going with the metaphor, but the what Heidi
just said, when he finished, he came back.
He says all right you see men like tree walking.
So I mean everybody's going to their giants, the fallen daemon
demons. He and I are into your
dominations call what you will goes again what do you see now I
can see again. That's what happens when you
have me in your life. A lot of people are just walking
around going through the shadow, going through the motions.
But when you have me, you're able to spiritually see clear go
forward and don't tell anybody, just live it.
Yeah guys, very powerful metaphors with why he did what
he did. I don't know about Christopher
and Jason's back story, but I know me and Drew both got the
mud ticking out of our eyes, so I was definitely blind.
Like I didn't even know. Yeah, so I know.
What you're talking about Heidi, I was born with 2023 Vision to
see really good well. I said I didn't know.
They will see way far away. I can't see what's right in
front of me because of this log in my eye, but I'm going to tell
you what I can see Specs real good.
I just said that to my son 5 minutes ago before we started
this. Like, yeah, I he was complaining
about his sister's room and I said take the log out of your
own eye. What?
Look at your room. Back to being a parent, yeah.
I I You know. Points that I wanted to kind of
play off of what everybody else has said.
One kind of touches on what Heidi said is that we we want
our children. You know if you have children
you want them to choose instead of forcing them to do it.
And there was a study I I haven't been able to find it
since but there was a a group of sociologists that were looking
at just almost as a a thought experiment like it if God chose
this or you know we know that God chose this why like what are
as opposed to what else. You know you have to ask that if
if if there's an option what are the other options.
And looking at free will and wanting to create a paradise
that they actually concluded that there is no other way other
than having a a space where people can choose and a way to
move them from that to a a perfect space that you can't
have a paradise and have free will without these these two
spaces. So I thought that was really
interesting just from a a pure science perspective.
But the last thing I I wanted to say just on this topic was that
Chuck Missler talked about how when you know so much of of what
is it Romans. I can't remember the scripture
right offhand. But from the creation or from
the beginning of creation, the invisible qualities of God, you
know are are seen. So it's easy to understand like
his power, right. And it's not that difficult to
understand maximum power like you get a little bit and you
just, you know expand it to the NTH degree and and and you get
that and we can kind of do that with knowledge too.
You know, we can understand infinite knowledge and those
type of things. But how in the world do you
express perfect love? Unless you have a space where
your children, your most beloved creatures, can spit in your face
and choose everything that is against you, and you still show
up and you still say, Father, forgive them, for they don't
know what they're doing. Like if nothing else, this space
allows us to see the the magnitude of the love of God.
It's dope, dude. Yeah, you never appreciate a
gift as much as you do something you've earned.
I agree with you totally. It makes me wonder though, you
know, people like to say, well why would God do this if he knew
XYZ was going to happen? What I really want to know is I
want to sit amongst the godhead when there's nobody else rap.
He hasn't made anybody and they're having a discussion and
I know one of them is going to sound like me.
One of them is going to be like I would.
This does not sound like a good idea.
Do you know how much trouble this one dude you going to
create named Jay Spears is going to cause you?
You know how much arguments it's going to be?
Why we're all we're already perfect.
Why do we need more folks? Don't make them.
I'm telling you this is I'm not going to say it's a bad idea.
I'm just not sold you have. Stop by your head.
It's.
It's me. It's you.
And it's the other one. The Lamb.
He hasn't been slain yet. Because we ain't made a world.
You've got the best thing here. Just keep it with us.
Please. I'm begging you.
Don't make these things. We're.
We're, I'm doing. Now, right, Right.
He's up in the corner. I'm doing.
I'm about to make him do it. Don't do it.
I'm do it. It's a bad idea, Lord.
I mean, I'm with you 100%, but it's a bad idea.
Holy Spirit, will you please speak up?
You always quiet. Say something.
Gods, I told you voices. Jason in his ears, just going
Don't be making him a wife. Don't be making him a wife.
I told you to go this way. I told you not to do that.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I would love to have heard
that conversation. You know they're going to eat
that apple, right? They're going to eat that apple.
Why are you putting it there? Oh.
Yeah, they're going to eat that apple.
There they go. I told you I.
Told you you never listen. You know, there was a told you
so in that somewhere. We all know it, yeah.
What? What was the movie?
Was it Tears of the Sun? For whatever reason?
Jason's tirade took me back to that.
When they're trying to decide if they want to save everybody or
not, and they go through and the guy's like, I think we should
just cut our losses and bounce. He's like, but I'm with you
guys. I'm with.
You. Well, no.
They also do that in Lone Survivor when they're you know,
they got the they got the prisoner and like hey, we we
kill him, we could probably live.
And I'm like listen to that guy. That's wisdom.
Kill him and survive because we're going to spend an hour and
a half on the wrong story. What he does it right.
He he makes us and he goes through all of it.
I think it's hard on this side of of reality, as as Brandon was
saying, to get that full scope picture.
I think it's different when you're in the dimensional
reality of heaven. You can see things exponentially
different than you see them now. You can feel them exponentially
different. What was it about?
As much as I've been, you know, bantering on about don't make
them. What was it that Christ was
like? All right, I'll do it.
Like, what did you see sitting in perfection next to God that
you were willing to divest yourself of all the pleasures of
heaven? Go down into the muck.
Be born in a pigsty. Literally.
Well, he used to call my room a pigsty.
He was born in one. Then you have to deal with all
the crap that comes on for 33 years only to get nailed through
your hands, that you created with the sensitivity level in
your hands, that you dialed up knowing full well it's going to
hurt. For some people that mocked you
while you sitting there butt naked on the cross, why would
you do it? Because he minority reported it
to begin with doing like a hand swiping he.
Saw all the possibilities. Exactly.
But to your point, Drew, I think there was something more that he
saw and scripture talks about that for the the glory that was
laid before. There's something else about the
reality of being with God that transcends our our our earthly
existence in reality. So it's kind of hard to ask
those questions when it's when it's contained just within our
7080 year perspective. Why would you even go through
all of this? But sitting in the throne room
of eternity, it probably looks very different.
You know there was a thing that I wasn't.
Christopher, you can help me out with this.
I think it was Scientific America that that that
established the fact that we live not just in a bounded
reality, but in a in a what is it?
A holographic. A digital projection of a larger
reality. There you go.
Thank you. It takes two of us to run the
Jaeger, that if that's true, then being with God is outside
of that digital holographic reality.
It is more true and more of a actual reality being with him
than what we're existing right now.
What we're experiencing right now, then, is a hard filter to
see eternity through. To ask why would you do this
when you're sitting there with him and he's like, I know
everything you felt and I could, I could almost quantify it with
ones and zeros, the degree of pain that you felt, the
experiences. I know how many tears you cried.
I know how many times your heart seized up when XY and Z happened
to you. I've got all the stats, all the
numbers. Now take all of that quantified
data and and all that information and let's compare it
to this larger reality of you and me and these truths that you
will never, ever have to be apart from.
I think it puts our 7080 years on this planet into a totally
different perspective. It's not to minimize the pain
that we go through. It's not to to minimize the
heartache that we go through. But I think when you're dealing
with the guy who understands all of this, he also knows that he
can take that heartache and turn it into something much greater
than just heartache. He can take a life that
experiences trauma and transform it from something that is just
traumatic to something that's beautiful.
He can take, he can take ashes and make something beautiful
from it because he's a creator God.
When you understand that, it changes the nature of the
question, Why would you allow this to happen?
Because what's happening is not all there is.
I can do a lot with that, and what I can do can be immensely
even better than just the experience of not having it
alone. It's a whole different thing
when you're you said pain. And the first thing that came to
my mind as a nurse is when we talk to people and say, hey,
rate your pain on a level of one to 1010 is the worst pain you've
ever felt in your life. Well, today you might have a 10
because you had a splinter. I mean if that's the only pain
you ever knew, then it's going to be that.
But if you can compare it to like say you broke your arm, now
your your perception has changed.
And now say I had a baby at home naturally, which I did.
Now my perception is completely different, like screw the broken
arm, that's a whole different thing.
Like so each level you understand a different thing.
So when we are with the Lord, even all the things we are going
through now, I don't think it will be what it is now.
I think we'll see it different, yeah.
I think so too. Like having a conversation with
a normie person at work, and that's a tanning chain.
I used to be that person. Oh my gosh.
Jason I I loved how you kind of brought into the the concept
that through our physical, mortal understanding, we can't
truly understand what the spiritual realm, what it means
to be beside God, because it's a completely different existence
from what this is Not that one's greater than the other, that
we're here for a reason to experience these things, but in
this realm we can't truly comprehend.
We've got the scriptures there, we have the word of Jesus and
and the way he's tried to teach us.
But ultimately there's still things we will never fully
understand until we're there. And that's something I think,
that a lot of people need to come to terms.
There's not always going to be a black and white defined answer
for everything. I think this is a great thing
about this show is that we do ask those questions, but we
tried to unpack can it be answered?
And if it can't, that's OK, because there's not always an
answer to every question in this reality.
You said that, Drew, because I I would normally push back when I
hear people say that. I think there are answers.
I think the the issue is can we understand them, where we're at.
And I'm hoping that when we get to heaven I'm like, God, why did
this happen? Why did you do such and such And
so he'd be like, I'm glad you asked.
Sit down for a minute. I'm going to show you some stuff
and then I walk away with it like I'm not asking another
question because that was like to answer that question.
Drew the answers. Drew these all the memes you
posted online, Drew. You're.
But I do think there are answers.
I just think that some of them we can't get here.
We can't understand them here. And so I think that's part of
the beauty of eternity is being there and being able to ask
those questions. And ah, now I can tell you, I've
waited. Now we could talk about it.
I I liken it too. When you're teaching children
and it's a it's a little new monarch you use called the Power
of yet kids will often as they're learning and they're
developing they're they'll encounter a challenge or
something that I don't understand and they'll quit.
They'll give up. I can't do this and you always
come in with the the yet I can't do this yet.
You will get there. You will develop.
You will grow. I think that development and
growth for humanity is beyond the physical realm.
We might have the questions now, but we can't have those answered
until a later stage. On that note, I'm going to ask
another question that possibly cannot be answered just for fun.
Is there a greater evil above Lucifer?
Is it possible that Lucifer was not acting alone?
Was he himself influenced by darkness, of which has not been
mentioned or not yet known to mankind?
Mormons. There's a guy, a guy just
standing next to Lucifer in a snazzy white shirt with a black
tie and goes, Hey, have you heard about this?
Hormones have you? Yeah.
That's really cool, rebellions. They knocked on his door.
They were the door knockers. I I would say yes because it
that would that spirit of Antichrist call it whatever you
will it's over the hearts and minds of men and you get the
verse from Isaiah 1414 as I can become like the God most high.
He eventually says it goes down to the garden of Eden.
He's like you can become like gods if you just take a bite of
this you know. And even when you translate the
doppelganger, the Christ Pagan doppelganger, the regeneration
Hermes, he's when you translate it his name out.
It roughly comes to mean His Highness the the His Royal
Highness of divine eternal use is basically what his name comes
down to. And what are they telling us
with this you get a certain thing for your head that it'll
heal you it'll you'll continue your life.
You can download it. You can live for forever.
Yes, and and and. I.
Want to say the word because Heidi knows what happened last
time. They don't like it because like
like Jason was saying. God thinks me.
Metaphoric and symbolism and I'm able to start unraveling the
tapestry in my mind it's it's it's it's crazy but it's
beautiful when you start understanding.
Oh wow. As a writer I'm just like that's
pretty dope. So I think like the mentality if
if if if you don't fear, and I I mean that in reverence.
So if people don't get confused I'm just like reverence of your
creator guide that that's the ultimate evil there is.
And I I think that points out a lot with what you're talking
about time travel and whatnot. When you look up Astroth, it was
the God of time or time travel is like affiliated with them.
And I'm kind of chuckling at that because I'm I just read
this book cost 94 bucks that's all thanks to my followers.
But very interesting thing. When I was reading about this
cult of soul Invictus, it's a sun God cult.
They had a thing called a Black Rock that would ride in a
chariot of four horses. Black Rock, certain company that
we know owns a lot of stuff today.
And I was reading because you know, God's cool like this.
I wanted to call my show man a daily podcast and I'm reading
one time and I get to this verse and it says in Revelation 217 he
who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the
churches to him who overcomes. I will give him some hidden mana
to eat, and I will give him a whitestone, and on the stone a
name Britain, which no one knows except him who receives it.
So we get a Blackstone and a whitestone and immediately I was
thinking of the show Lost, where at the end you have the two
brothers, one's wearing the white shirt, one's wearing the
black shirt, and in the beginning they had the kid and
what John Locke playing with the little black and whitestone,
Bagnette Madden, whatever that's called.
And we're playing with good and evil.
We're playing with a mentality as it could be this reality.
It could be that reality. And we see that with like their
flashbacks, like what could have changed if they could have met
beforehand. And sometimes we saw some of
those scenarios what what could have changed if they go into the
afterlife together. And we're constantly playing
with that, with that mentality. What could I do if I could
change something like, you know, have that power to manipulate
this existence. So I think that's kind of kind
of what Lucifer's mindset is. I think that is what ultimately
evil is, is You're asking what if, what if I was in charge of
time and all that ever was? What if I was in charge of
eternity? What would that look like for
me? And he's made already promises
and contracts. Like Jason was referring to to
his fallen watcher saying, don't worry, we're going to get your
kids bodies back. They're going to have eternal
life. We're going to utilize it
through them. They're going to be your energy.
They're going to harvest you. They're going to be vessels of
energy and resources and soul energy of the sun.
You're going to harness that energy.
Don't worry. And we will go to war against
heaven, just like we did with the Tower of Babels.
Just a little bit more time. 2 point O is coming, guys, And
that's again when you look at the Israeli flags.
A star Arafat 1988 September Playboy interview.
He says you know what the the star of his Israeli flag is
based on 2 blue stripes from the Euphrates and that dries up.
Turkey's already drying, it drying up with their dams.
And then you go down to the Nile.
That just happens to be the territory where Bale worship was
most popular, AKA Nimrod, Sun, Tammuz.
And the star in the center is the star of R.E.M.
Fan. Again, another star, which is
condemned in 526 and Amos and 743 by Stephen the murderer,
right before he gets executed. This is the thing the Pharisees
are still worshipping, and that's what the ZS are still
worshipping to this day. Their Messiah figure is of the
Tree of life, the Leviathan, and they literally were looking at
Christ saying, OK, OK, you want to be our Messiah?
We'll put you on a tree. We'll give you what you want.
You're not the one that we actually wanted.
And you're going to be the king of the ewes.
The trees, Tree of life. That's what they are believing
Knowledge of good and evil. That's what we think we can
ascend. Whereas you're saying you can
come down here and bring us. No, no, no, no.
So when he comes back to life as the way, the truth and the life
and he died on a cross that was supposed.
It was a mockery. It was symbolism of mockery that
we can kill you on a tree. It's just very powerful.
Metaphors are there and I think. The symbols are there.
Yes, but again, I think that's ultimately what it is, is the
hearts and minds of men. And this is where you get with
Jeremiah, where it says the heart is deceitfully wicked who
can know it. And then I think it's in nine
and ten. I saved the verse.
It's And then the Lord says in 1710.
Jeremiah, I, the Lord search the mind and try the heart to give
every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his
doings. Hearts and minds.
And I think that's what the
ultimate spiritual battle is, is If you're going to let me in, I
can change both of those your perspective, the way you view
the world. Let me into your heart and I can
control your mind. Yeah, I can see that.
You know, it's funny, Drew, you were asking is there a greater
evil above Lucifer? And I don't know why I've got so
many movie metaphors in my mind, but all I could see was Samuel
Jackson and Black Snake Mountain, like just turned
around, like there better not be there better not be no other
evil greater than me and I. It's funny though.
I think again, we get into an issue of semantics, you know, we
get into an issue of word usage. Is there a greater evil?
Possibly. I mean, we don't know all the
the players in heaven, We don't know all the players in hell.
We don't know all the people who fell.
I mean, as far as Scripture says, when you go to count the
angels, it's an innumerable amount that we can't count.
And you've gotten pretty high on the number scale.
So whatever it is, it's a pretty big number.
And according to Enoch, a third of them sided with with Satan.
But we don't know all of their their, their pedigree.
So I don't know if we could really answer that question.
I think though what Scripture does help us do is even if he's
not the greatest evil, he was the source of it.
And I think that's the the the core point.
He's the one that allowed his own beauty that God had given
him to cause him to be self absorbed.
He's the one that came up with this idea of things he could do.
Even scripture says that it was iniquity was found in him by the
abundance of his trade. I'm like, whoa, whoa, iniquity
was found in you. Do you know how much stuff you
got to do for iniquity to be found in you?
And then the abundance of your iniquities?
Like, that's a lot that he was doing.
That wasn't an oops, that wasn't a I'm having a bad day and I'm
done with God. He committed to a course of
action he got other people to commit, so he became that
central point of rebellion. Now could he even could he have
of of. I think the word was conscripted
other entities into into league, sure.
Could they have been more powerful than him on a on a
pound for pound level? Possibly.
But he's still the Federated Head of the Kingdom of Darkness
of albeit for maybe spiritual force and power or be it for
contractual obligations. He's still considered the head
point, and I think that's probably the the greater take
away. I do find it interesting though,
that in Scripture he's not the last enemy we have that's dealt
with. And it always seemed to upset
me, like, why is he not? I would have figured the last
enemy that we deal with is the one who started it all.
But coincidentally, again, I don't get to have these sidebar
conversations with Jesus when we get up there.
We're going, we're going, we're going, you know, straighten all
of this out because I would have done it differently.
Nobody else is going to see Jesus, only Jesus, because.
I got some questions, things I need to know from birth.
I got a list I'm keeping together.
Starting out with why the girl's butt shake.
Lord. And why'd you let me see that so
early in life. Now we need to move forward.
God, I got deeper questions. But I think it's interesting
that it is death that is the last enemy.
That's not what I would have thought.
Why death? Why isn't Satan the last one?
Right? There's there's nothing is by
chance. Nothing's coincidental.
Nothing is happenstance when it comes to God.
So a lot of the questions I got are you.
I need deeper understanding. I need you to explain why death.
I'm not even saying you did it wrong.
Just there's something there that's important for why death
is the last enemy that's destroyed.
Well, arguably, you could say that death is our most
vulnerable point in their entire lives.
It's a time when we can go into extreme doubt or into extreme
belief. And if we are on our last legs,
our last moments, that seed of doubt, that fear that drives it,
that could be the ultimate point where you're you're taken by the
wrong side. You're LED down a path which
isn't to God. It isn't to righteousness.
You are deceived at that very last moment.
It is the most crucial moment of Immortal's life.
Not just your birth is as important as your beginning
point, but the end. The End is the culmination of
your physical being and ultimately it It dictates which
party you go down in the final moments.
OK, true. But I think that the way you
just explained, that actually helps put a spotlight on
something I think a lot of us do.
And that is we take a spiritual reality and we reduce it to a
physical one. What I mean by that is the
concept of death predates humanity, but we don't see it
that way. We normally look at death as a
physical thing. And there's a scriptural there's
there's a scripture that actually highlights this point.
I don't have the citation. Brandon will probably know as
soon as I say it, he's going, he's going to hit it.
But there's a scripture that said that Satan was a murderer
from the beginning. How?
How can you be a murderer from the beginning?
What'd you kill? And we can't be talking about
mankind because it's there from the beginning, not the beginning
of us. So from the beginning you were
murder. Who'd you kill?
What you do? If our concept of murder is to
take a life, so to speak, then it doesn't make sense.
If our concept of life and death, though it was expanded a
bit, it starts to fall in line. And my understanding of death
has to do with the idea of separation.
When we die physically, our soul or or the immaterial part of our
being is separated from our physical being, so we call that
a physical death. If death is predicated on
separation, then where was there separation Back in antiquity
dealing with whatever Lucifer did?
There is separation. But separation from what?
There were entities that were separated from God when they
sided with Lucifer in a great rebellion.
If God is considered the source of life, then separation from
him would be death. Death is not cessation of
existence. It doesn't mean that you're no
longer around. It fundamentally means you are
separated from the source of life.
You can still exist, right? If that's what it means, then
what is murder? Murder is to create a death
unlawfully. So where do we see that at?
See that back with scripture, with Satan.
Satan created the spiritual death of his fellow brothers
when he got them to side with him against Yahweh, creating a
separation between them. Therefore they died a spiritual
death. And because he got them to do
something, because he did that unlawfully, created that
separation unlawfully, it's considered a murder.
And maybe. That from?
The beginning, right. Maybe he was that from the
beginning, because it says in the Bible that even if you think
something, you've already committed the sin, yes.
Especially in that realm, because of your thought realm,
that whole thing exists, it just doesn't exist in our physical
reality. So this makes.
The whole. Go ahead.
I was just going to say it makes the the whole death in the
Garden of Eden make a lot more sense because, you know, it
said, you know that day you would die and we're like, but
he's still alive. And then the modern Christianity
goes, yeah, but it was a spiritual death and we really
don't know what that means. So we kind of dance around it.
But that explanation, I think nails it.
Yeah. Well, I I looked up the verse
just to. Just go now.
Yeah, you you get my mind going, Jason.
We got to have another chat. I'm.
I'm loving you. Your metaphors speak to my
heart. Right.
But it's an that's in John 844 for folks who are actually
taking notes. You belong to your father, the
devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding him to
the truth, for there is no truth in him when he's lies.
He speaks his native tongue, for he is a liar and the father of
lies. I think it's a very powerful
thing that we emphasize the truth aspect, 'cause that taps
into what I was saying with Pontius Pilate, he's he doesn't
understand what truth is, even though the embodiment of truth
in the flesh is standing right in front of him.
And what is he? He's, he's grasping that, the
things of this world, his father, the devil.
And he's over here like going like, dude, I'm at my wit's end
right now. I really do not have time for
you. Whoever you are.
He's some religious fanatic, another another one, another God
seriously like and you eventually get later on with
Paul as I die to myself daily, at a certain point he grasped
what it was even though at another verse he says like it's
it's a great mystery. I speak of a great mystery, even
I who studied years of Torah. I don't even.
Understand this, but I'm doing the best I can with bringing up
references and sending out letters to the churches to try
to explain. This whole new concept that was
a stranger to me and again what did God do to him?
Blind him. And it wasn't until he was
touched by one of his other people in the faith that he was
able to see clearly again he goes from persecuting and
murdering because he was buying the lie to saving souls.
We wouldn't have the new like what 80% of the New Testament if
it wasn't for Paul. So it I I think once you
understand what with with with Satan it's a sin and what is sin
sin draws you away. With Christ it's a sacrifice is
that you have to humble yourself so you can understand and you
can retain and you can get all of what it is to be in the Holy
Spirit cause a lot of Christians don't understand what the Holy
Spirit is. It's a very scary thing.
But Drew, you know what I'm talking about is when I I broke
down the sacred seed thing. There's very powerful metaphors
of the temple and the baptism and understanding what that is.
When you once you are indwelled, you have the power that what
happened with the day of Pentecost was a reversal.
What happened at the Tower of Babel, I'm going to confuse all
their languages now. Everyone's hearing in their
native tongues how to attain this truth, this gospel message,
to get back into the Kingdom of heaven.
It just redeemed the nations. It's it's it's a beautiful love
story. And if we don't understand the
dichotomy that's at play, the father of lies, father of truth,
we're we're susceptible to falling away to the things of
this world. Even culture cult her we we
we've we've become demoralized and loving our country more than
our Creator. We love politics and our party
political parties more than our than our, our, our Christ.
That's that's really what it's come down here.
Especially I'm speaking in American terms.
It's a very arrogant ideology. And what is?
What is God? Hey, hey, hey.
We're the greatest nation on the planet.
It's not here. It's facts.
God Bless America. Nobody else.
Metric system, Metric System. But God is not a.
God of countries. He's a God of his people.
And I think a lot of people, right.
They're not grasping that. So therefore they justify what
goes on in overseas because it's not my house, not my family.
I was doing what I was supposed to do.
And what does Christ say? Eventually when we get up there?
Lord, Lord, did we do such? And so in your name, didn't we
bomb the bad guys because you're chosen?
Depart from me. I never knew you.
I never endorsed that. I never signed off on any of
that. That's a modern crusade.
And you're thinking you're doing that in my name.
Get out of here. I know I'm going to throw a bit
of a spanner in the works here and see what people's thoughts
are on this. What that exact part of
scripture that was mentioned Chapter 8, John's Gospel.
The You are from the father of the devil.
You prefer to do what your father wants.
He was a murderer from the start.
He was never grounded in truth. There's no truth in him at all.
When he lies. He's speaking to true nature
because he's a liar and the father of lies.
From my understanding, he's speaking to Yahweh in that is
that the original spiritual murder Because what we saw the
actions of Jesus Christ, he was very much against the Church of
Yahweh and breaking down the system of that church that was
around of his time. Is Yahweh truly God?
Or is Yahweh a word that is being weaponized in time to take
the place of God? Well, I know Albert Pike, he was
referring to Yahweh as, you know, God.
But The thing is that I kind of chuckle because I try, I try to
explain to folks is that, oh, you know, that's not really
Jesus's name or that's not, you know, whatever.
I don't get into semantics. I want to know, do you actually
trust the father, son? Do you actually believe in God?
Etymology wise, we speak the tongue of Gentiles.
I don't think God's going to get over semantics of, oh, you
actually called me, you know, my son, Jesus.
And that's it. I think he's going to be like I
was. Looking at your heart.
I was looking at where your mind was at.
Were you actually striving and seeking to follow me?
Were you doing the best you could to promote the Kingdom of
heaven as opposed to hiding in the corner saying I don't want
to be seen until you know the Rapture gets me out.
He doesn't want fearful people in his Kingdom.
He wants soldiers. He wants people that are going
to fight. And I think a lot of times
people aren't grasping what that is because they don't understand
what it is, and that's why, he says.
Narrow is the way and few there be that find it.
I don't think many people want that.
I don't think they have to fight, honestly.
That's like the rich ruler. When you find out what it's
required, you're like. I'm straight, You know, there's
all it's. It's funny.
It's interesting how often in the natural realm there are
things that we all at that parallel spiritual realities
that we scoff at. That's a T-shirt.
I think I'm gonna make that. But you know, it was funny.
I was talking to Christopher and I was like, hey, isn't it really
strange that when you look at the whole story of Gideon, and
Gideon gets his whole fighting force reduced down from like
30,000 down to 300 and you're like, that is a stupid tactical
idea guy. I don't know who taught you how
to God, but what makes you think that you could go up against a
Persian army or whoever and it's only going to be 300 a yard?
That's Reed. That is ridiculous.
And then Josh Schneider puts out a film and you're like 300 dudes
to the ground. Who would have ever thought
this? This is absolutely amazing.
You got to have the mindset of, I don't know what you got to be
a credible soldier to take 300 folks and just stand there even
when the arrows come down on you like, hey, we'll fight in the
shade. I'm like, give me some bad boys.
I wish the Bible had stories like that.
It's crazy how often there really are these spiritual
realities that the Bible actually endorses that we don't
pick up on. The Navy Seals have an attrition
rate that I think is like 8 or 9 out of 10, like 8090% don't make
it. And when you talk to most of the
people, most special forces training regiments are not as
hard as the Navy Seal's regimen is.
And when you talk to most of the people who have made it through
it, a lot of them say the same thing.
What separates a person that can't make it through buds
versus a person who can is not really their physical stamina.
It's their mental stamina. It's their mindset.
It's do you have a warrior's mentality.
It's one of the reasons that Operation Red Pill that
Christopher and I are constantly using warrior like nomenclature
and warrior like terminology to constantly reinfuse that concept
of we're at war. This isn't peacetime, right?
You couldn't be dropped off over into like Bangladesh, Ukraine,
the jungles of Angola or wherever and had this soft
mentality of I can't believe you're shooting at me.
What? What they should have.
Been for Do you have a weapon in your hand?
I do. Well, maybe that's why they're
shooting at you. You're in the middle of a war
zone carrying a weapon and tag on it.
I should have just bought apples today.
I'm not trying to get shot at. Most of us don't recognize the
fact that here we are sitting in this planet.
This planet is a hostile environment and we're supposed
to be fighting. So to Josh, to Brandon's point,
no, you can't actually sit over in the corner and just be
wishing that all of this passes you by.
There's no way you can do that credibly and still be like,
yeah, guys, about your business. God's business is about kicking
in doors, taking names. You got to be very aggressive to
do that. And you can't be afraid of
getting hit. You can't be afraid of conflict.
Hence why the whole fear thing is so important because it it
paralyzes you and you don't move, you don't take ground
back. And that's so critical for the
success of Kingdom operations here on this planet.
It's funny, like as we were talking, I keep back to another
movie. I was thinking about Jesse
Ventura and Predator. And there's a scene where
they're sitting all out, everything's blowing up.
And he's like, you're bleeding. He's like, I ain't got time to
bleed. We even got time to bleed.
You got time to dump. He's still fighting out here.
And at some point you got to pull out old painless, which is
that wonderful Gatling gun, and you got to go to town.
A lot of us don't want to do that, and I think that's really
the that's really tragedy of the modern churches.
So many of us are unwilling to do what it really requires in
order for evil not to run on unrestricted on its way.
Go ahead. Right.
And not just that. It's not that so many of us are
unwilling, it's that we even disparage those that are doing
it right. We hear, oh, well, this person
sees a demon behind every door or whatever.
And Jason, you've had that, that great analogy that if you're in
a war zone, you know, is there a Claymore behind every door?
Probably not. But we need to act as though
there is or you're going to be the casualty of a Claymore.
Missing a lake? Right, exactly.
There was a Claymore who would have thunk it in a war zone that
they would put IED somewhere. That's that's just befuddling.
Who did who? Did I ever imagine that one man,
they got these new tactics today.
I missed the days of guerrilla warfare where you could just
fall into a mind pit that she didn't know it was there.
Yeah, I think it just really exposes the fact that the the
modern church does not have that warrior mindset and they're
actively working against it. And I think that's so much of
what Christ was trying to develop is really that warrior
mentality like so many of us are, have have gotten that
script away from us. And it's it's almost
disheartening because I I think Christianity, yeah.
I think Drew, you were saying it is people are expecting this
supernatural power to like rescue them per SE, right.
And yeah, Jesus does do that, but it's also the do what I'm
supposed to do for me. And he doesn't do that.
There's a lot that we're supposed to be doing that.
Unfortunately, I just don't think we are and it shows in our
environment. Yeah, I mean, often times we say
that, that that God won't do for you what you can do for
yourself. And in just the The resurrection
of Lazarus, we see a lot of that, right?
Jesus didn't rule the the the stone away from the opening of
the tomb, right? Jesus didn't cut off Lazarus
grave clothes. He told everybody else to do
that. He was there to speak life into
a man that was dead. All the other work were for his
friends to do. And I I mean we we got to really
learn that lesson. God is here to do the things
that we can't. Everything else we've got to do.
That's why we constantly say on the show, you pray like it's all
up to God, but you work like it's all up to you.
When you do that, it makes the difference.
If if Lucifer is as powerful as he says he is, doing that
approach limits that power. I think I've stumbled across the
topic I'd love to discuss with you guys next time around.
I'm keep finding myself being drawn back to Yaoism because I'm
a academic historical person. I love history.
I love the theology of how religions adapt and change over
time. I love the idea here, how
languages change, the adaption of words, the changing of words.
Something keeps drawing me back to Yaoism, which was the
original faith of the Hebrews before its reformation into a
singular God, deity and the pantheon that surrounded Yahweh
in that time. And what brought this to mind
for me was when Jesus said no man has ever seen my father, Man
only comes to my father through me.
So that led that logically made me question who did Abraham and
Moses actually see? Who were they conversing with if
no man has ever seen my father but me?
We saving this for next time or you getting ready now?
Let's let's save her for next time.
Because I got versus. My friend.
Oh, I know you do. I brought all painless out.
I was like, oh snap, that one back.
Now. All right, everybody cool.
This was This is a fantastic show.
Let's go around the horn. Where can people find your work?
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I'm going to close this show out with Romans 1620.
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you and Brandon as a new
member of the coalition. Would you like to finish the
show off with a prayer, brother? Oh, sure, absolutely.
Dear Heavenly Father, we just want to thank you for the gift
of having the Holy Spirit and having these discussions.
Lord, it's a really deep and divine realm of, as Paul stated,
we we don't. He doesn't even understand the
mysteries of this great faith of ours.
We thank you for your son, and we thank you for the gift of
sharing this community, of being able to delve into your word,
Lord and try to understand great aspects, Lord, of of your
creation, of your mentality and of this war and family that
you've invited us to participate in.
Lord, it's it's truly a great honor and I I don't know how to
put it into words, but I'm just really grateful for brothers and
sisters that are seeking you in this day and age when a lot of
churches have become very lukewarm.
Lord, I I just want to ask for a blessing upon the hearers and
listeners that they retain something from the discussion
that was had, Lord, upon the people's lives that were a part
of this discussion and panel that you just continue to open
up our eyes and have our voices within your whole church.
Lord, to speak boldly and come before the throne.
We are having questions and doubts about who you are and how
we are supposed to be your ambassadors on Earth.
We ask that we honor you with our representation.
And we're not the servant who's hiding our talents and hiding.
Instead of standing forward before the throne and being bold
with your word. Lord, we just want to thank you
again for letting us be your warriors.
Be your bride in your in your name we pray and ask all these
things. Amen.
Once again, thank you lovely
people. Gotta thank you all again for
joining me on the coalition. I'm truly blessed to have found
such a wonderful group of friends and family.
This little church that we gathered together in Brandon.
Thank you for joining us. Dropping.
Thank you for having me. Like a hammer.
As always, my friend. I'll patch you all next time.