1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,440 Hi and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,560 I'm your host Deplorable Janet, and today I have two of my 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:15,000 favorite female friends that are back with me today. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:21,120 I'm so excited that we're doing a nether ladies round table and 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,440 this one is going to be very helpful and very useful I think, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:31,060 to a lot of people. So welcome back, Miss Ellie. 7 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:33,620 How are you today? I'm good. 8 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:35,660 How are you? Fabulous. 9 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:39,420 Fabulous and Miss Heidi. How are you? 10 00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:40,620 Darn. Good. 11 00:00:40,780 --> 00:00:42,900 How is everybody? Everybody's good today. 12 00:00:43,420 --> 00:00:49,220 More than fabulous, everybody's sniffy, snuffy and allergy laden 13 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:50,900 today. Oh yes, that is true. 14 00:00:51,180 --> 00:00:54,740 We are. So if you guys hear boohooing 15 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:58,140 and tears, I don't know if it's really boohooing and tears 16 00:00:58,610 --> 00:01:02,610 because we're sad or moved or it's because everyone's have 17 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:08,930 allergy problems. True, 100% of that, definitely. 18 00:01:09,370 --> 00:01:13,210 So today is going to be a very interesting show. 19 00:01:13,210 --> 00:01:18,530 We have several different things that we want to discuss with the 20 00:01:18,530 --> 00:01:22,290 listeners today and probably some things that are going to 21 00:01:22,290 --> 00:01:27,570 hit home for a lot of people on a lot of different levels. 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:34,440 So I want to start off with a little story that happened to me 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:40,560 this morning. Most people don't know unless 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,680 you talk to me all the time. However, we had to make a move 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,440 recently, very quickly and very unexpectedly. 26 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:57,240 And so we went from out in the country wilderness and more into 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,760 kind of a city setting or whatever with, you know, lack of 28 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,520 wildlife per se and things like that. 29 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,600 So my husband and I were talking about it yesterday and I said, 30 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,480 you know what? I really miss? 31 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,640 I said I miss getting up every day and seeing Eagles and Hawks 32 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,000 in our yard. And this morning we go outside, 33 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,070 he comes out, we're talking about God, talking about the 34 00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:32,790 Bible, and all of the sudden a hawk lands on our fence. 35 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:40,110 And I just had to take a pause and tell God thank you because I 36 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:43,510 said I missed that yesterday. And the reason why I brought up 37 00:02:43,510 --> 00:02:48,990 this story is because a lot of people, when they move, they 38 00:02:48,990 --> 00:02:53,230 miss the house, which is a materialistic thing. 39 00:02:54,590 --> 00:03:00,090 I missed God's creation, the Eagles and the Hawks, and he 40 00:03:00,090 --> 00:03:05,770 presented that with to me today so that I could give thanks and 41 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:09,610 be grateful for the blessing and the miracle that he just 42 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:12,970 revealed in my life. Because it wasn't focused on 43 00:03:12,970 --> 00:03:18,650 materialism or manmade things, it was on his creation show. 44 00:03:18,650 --> 00:03:22,450 I just wanted to share that story today because it was quite 45 00:03:22,450 --> 00:03:26,750 punching to me this morning. Well, he showed you that your 46 00:03:26,750 --> 00:03:30,390 home is wherever you are, I think absolutely. 47 00:03:31,390 --> 00:03:34,630 And that blessings come in so many different forms. 48 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:39,310 They don't have to be something big, something simple like that. 49 00:03:39,710 --> 00:03:44,870 And it just touched me so deeply because I was like, thank you, 50 00:03:45,030 --> 00:03:49,230 thank you so much for providing that for me because that was, 51 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:53,270 that was like a beautiful sign for me to start the day today. 52 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:56,390 So anyways. I love that. 53 00:03:57,270 --> 00:04:04,550 So we want to get into lots of different topics today, but one 54 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:08,990 of the things that is definitely going on modern day times, 55 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:14,230 literally every day from every angle, is a tax on God. 56 00:04:15,590 --> 00:04:22,150 So I will give the floor to you guys and have at it. 57 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,080 That is such a broad topic Jada we talk about. 58 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,880 You guys talk? Wait a minute. 59 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,160 Well, I think. I think also like God. 60 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,160 I feel like people have misconstrued it so badly, like 61 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,370 we were saying is. God is in everything. 62 00:04:42,450 --> 00:04:46,170 God is in that, that hawk. God is in the sky. 63 00:04:46,170 --> 00:04:48,170 God is in the. I live by the mountains. 64 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:50,730 They're right outside my door. So I love the mountains. 65 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:54,490 God is in the mountains for me. You know my personal which is 66 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:58,370 why I have that on my logo and everything because that 67 00:04:58,370 --> 00:05:01,930 represents church to me, like, not church. 68 00:05:02,090 --> 00:05:04,890 And and a lot of people might disagree with that and I think 69 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:10,050 the disillusionment comes from. Man is you know they say that 70 00:05:10,050 --> 00:05:12,730 that scripture that man is always a liar like he's not. 71 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:15,170 But I'm just saying like sometimes people put their faith 72 00:05:15,330 --> 00:05:21,410 in a man and and in a situation like I did and and come out 73 00:05:21,730 --> 00:05:24,170 hating everything. Most Mormons that leave the 74 00:05:24,170 --> 00:05:28,130 church are hate everything after they they don't want anything to 75 00:05:28,130 --> 00:05:30,610 do with God. They not everything in general, 76 00:05:30,610 --> 00:05:35,170 but like I'm atheist. And so I didn't do that. 77 00:05:35,170 --> 00:05:38,210 Thank heavens my mom had already got out and she was a Stevens 78 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:41,650 minister and she was like feeding me little things for a 79 00:05:41,650 --> 00:05:43,290 long time. And so was my husband. 80 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:47,170 So I felt like, safer that this isn't God that did this to you. 81 00:05:47,170 --> 00:05:49,330 This was people. Yeah. 82 00:05:49,890 --> 00:05:53,490 So and and even the church, like, I know most of my family, 83 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:56,010 most of his family all are still in. 84 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:58,930 And they are not bad people. Like I listen to some of these. 85 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:03,860 Podcasts about Mormons, and I've sent messages to a few of them 86 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:06,140 when I've heard people on that are like they beat their 87 00:06:06,140 --> 00:06:08,860 children every night. They they beat they, they have 88 00:06:08,860 --> 00:06:11,180 25 wives, all of them. I'm like, no they don't. 89 00:06:11,180 --> 00:06:13,260 No they don't. None of this is true unless 90 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:15,900 you're in a different sect. If you're specifically talking 91 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:20,140 about a specific family, like maybe they do, you know, or 92 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:23,380 maybe your family did. But just because my dad wasn't a 93 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:26,980 good person doesn't mean the church is a bad person per se. 94 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:29,880 But I think. The upper echelon, like the 95 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,440 upper, just like our government, you get to a certain level. 96 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,360 And all those people, I think they know stuff. 97 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:42,120 All of them well, and it's kind of like this discussion has been 98 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,160 had many times before and lots of different shows, but like the 99 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,840 Masons or other occult groups, right? 100 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:57,900 Secret societies, the general everyday people are not bad 101 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:01,740 people, but there are bad people amongst them. 102 00:07:01,820 --> 00:07:05,900 And it's the same thing in church communities. 103 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:09,980 And The thing is that man is so fallible. 104 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:13,940 We are all like completely full of sin, right? 105 00:07:14,340 --> 00:07:21,580 And so I think a lot of the disillusionment and breakdown 106 00:07:21,580 --> 00:07:29,250 between God and religion or considering God himself or a 107 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:34,610 building, right, it's because the building is something that 108 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:37,770 man made and the people are sinners. 109 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:43,210 And so putting those things together, you know, what's the 110 00:07:43,610 --> 00:07:46,290 what? The saying absolute power 111 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:51,120 corrupts absolutely. Yes, which is 100% true. 112 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,000 Politics, religion. You know, those in the 113 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,040 workplace, no matter what it is, you give somebody too much power 114 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,200 and they are still living with their ego and their lives. 115 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,280 That's when you have a problem. I think. 116 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:14,430 I think a lot of times where God tries to tell us about don't. 117 00:08:14,510 --> 00:08:17,510 And This is why I'm so blatant when I come forward with my 118 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:21,190 story and I don't hold back because so many people do in the 119 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:24,350 Mormon community, even some of the biggest podcasts, don't talk 120 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:27,750 about the temple out of respect. But I refuse to leave anything 121 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:31,390 in secret because I feel like anything done in secret is not 122 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:34,909 okay because God tells us not to take oath and not to have hidden 123 00:08:34,909 --> 00:08:38,870 things like we should not fit. I'm not talking about personal 124 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:40,710 sin. I'm talking about big things. 125 00:08:41,309 --> 00:08:43,669 Like, I'm not saying go tell everyone in the world what you 126 00:08:43,669 --> 00:08:45,870 did, like that's between you and and God. 127 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:51,310 But I'm telling you like when it comes to like rituals or weird 128 00:08:51,310 --> 00:08:55,190 stuff like that or oh, you better get out there and say 129 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:57,190 because what about the next person? 130 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:59,630 Like it's not about just me anymore than, right? 131 00:08:59,710 --> 00:09:04,950 It's about you paying it forward and you helping someone else to 132 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:08,180 heal. Because you were relieved of 133 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:13,140 something you were unburdened in your life of, you know, sin, 134 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:15,460 sacrifice, whatever you want to call it. 135 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:20,740 And so you are supposed to help other people be able to do the 136 00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:24,860 same thing and free themselves. Well, and it's just such an 137 00:09:25,460 --> 00:09:28,300 uncomfortable feeling because they attack you and say, well, 138 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:32,420 you you let out these secrets that are sacred and you did this 139 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:36,690 or you did that and it's hard. Because, I mean, I understand. 140 00:09:36,770 --> 00:09:38,570 I understand what they used to mean to me. 141 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:40,810 I understand what they mean to them, Okay. 142 00:09:41,250 --> 00:09:45,010 But I also understand that what I was doing was not of God 143 00:09:46,210 --> 00:09:48,570 anymore. I mean, I talked to the New York 144 00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:51,050 Patriot and he told me to go watch a Gnostic mask. 145 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:54,810 That scared me. Like, you know, why are they 146 00:09:54,810 --> 00:09:57,730 tricking people? If you want, if they want, if 147 00:09:57,730 --> 00:09:59,650 the Mormons came out tomorrow and said. 148 00:10:00,430 --> 00:10:01,990 Okay, We're going to lay it all out. 149 00:10:01,990 --> 00:10:03,790 This is what we do. We do nasty mass. 150 00:10:03,790 --> 00:10:06,710 We do this, we do that, or we're Masons or whatever they want to 151 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:11,630 do and don't tie it into God. I would shut up because then we 152 00:10:11,630 --> 00:10:14,030 wouldn't have problem anymore because they're taking all these 153 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:17,190 nice people about Christianity and it's not the same thing. 154 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:20,590 They serve a different Jesus, and I don't know what you know 155 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:23,270 well. And that's The thing is, bad 156 00:10:23,270 --> 00:10:25,790 things happen with good men do nothing. 157 00:10:25,830 --> 00:10:29,480 And so that's kind of the thing, you know, if you don't, if you 158 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,560 know there's something that needs to be spoken about 159 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:38,000 exposed, you have to do that. Especially if you follow the 160 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,080 path that that God has set for you, you have to bring those 161 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,600 things to light. Kind of like you definitely have 162 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,840 to give your own testimony. It's very important that you do 163 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,750 that, and for me, my life is an open book. 164 00:10:54,750 --> 00:10:58,950 There is nothing about my life I have not discussed openly on a 165 00:10:58,950 --> 00:11:05,350 podcast before, because any secret hidden part of myself 166 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:10,910 does not make me whole in front of God, and I can't. 167 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:17,470 I can't have complete and total edification through God, you 168 00:11:17,470 --> 00:11:23,950 know, doing his works and having that intellectual, moral and 169 00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:27,390 spiritual enlightenment, if there's anything about me that's 170 00:11:27,390 --> 00:11:29,790 hidden, or a cult. Do you think it? 171 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:30,990 Yeah. Oh, sorry. 172 00:11:30,990 --> 00:11:34,510 Go ahead, Ellie. I Do you think it comes from 173 00:11:34,510 --> 00:11:35,430 being a nurse? Sort of. 174 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:37,630 Because we have a collective responsibility. 175 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:40,910 I feel like that's part of it for me, like I feel collectively 176 00:11:40,910 --> 00:11:44,410 responsible for humans, like. On a different level. 177 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:46,530 And then, But the calling wasn't mine. 178 00:11:46,610 --> 00:11:48,730 I never would have done this, you know? 179 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:52,410 But like, also, I don't want my fellow people, like if they're 180 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:55,250 getting ready to go to the temple and maybe they hear my 181 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:59,850 story, maybe they won't, you know, or maybe they'll pause or 182 00:11:59,850 --> 00:12:00,850 some. I don't know. 183 00:12:00,890 --> 00:12:02,930 Like that. And that's not me. 184 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:04,610 That's a conduit. You know what I'm saying? 185 00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:07,610 Like, anytime when you do something, if you're doing it 186 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:10,450 for the right reason because God told you to do something, then 187 00:12:10,450 --> 00:12:14,110 that's not you. He can use a donkey, so. 188 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:17,230 Yeah, so how about how about you, Ellie? 189 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:25,230 Like, how how do you feel about like, the need to give your 190 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:29,550 testimony and help other people? What was your like calling to 191 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:32,510 start your show? I haven't heard Ellie's story. 192 00:12:32,510 --> 00:12:34,630 I'd love to hear. That I mean, Janet, I was on 193 00:12:34,630 --> 00:12:36,830 your podcast for the first time and I. 194 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,560 I can go back to the first time I was on it and she said she 195 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:40,760 would never ever do a show. I. 196 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,760 Would never do a podcast and I would never have my own show. 197 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,080 And God was like, Oh yeah, watch this. 198 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,920 And I thought she had a different idea. 199 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:54,360 And then I don't want to quite get into it because the story's 200 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,400 still being written. But basically I got baptized and 201 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,960 God was like, you're going to stop your podcast. 202 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,000 I have something different I need you to work on. 203 00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:06,350 Not that my podcast was bad, Not that like it was simple or 204 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:09,630 anything like that. Like you, Janet, I was an open 205 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:12,710 book. But there's something different 206 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:16,710 that something much bigger. You had a calling. 207 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:19,990 Much bigger, and I and I didn't have time to do both right. 208 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:25,470 So it was a very abrupt thing that I was just very at peace 209 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:28,630 with and I was just like, yeah, this is the right thing to do. 210 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:32,550 Did not intend to stop it when I did, but I did. 211 00:13:34,690 --> 00:13:40,330 And but I started my podcast to share all of the different 212 00:13:40,330 --> 00:13:45,570 things and that was a that was a journey. 213 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:48,130 Like if people started like from the beginning and then listen to 214 00:13:48,130 --> 00:13:49,810 the end. To my points of view on things 215 00:13:49,810 --> 00:13:54,650 have changed quite drastically. A lot. 216 00:13:54,650 --> 00:13:59,400 A lot. Well, that happens because we 217 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,360 all evolve as you learn. Like if you were going down the 218 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,280 journey, like my first of my journey was nothing like now. 219 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,400 But the fact that I feel like when some people go on a 220 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,760 journey, whatever the journey is, whether it's through faith 221 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,080 or a career, or they're researching a new topic, right, 222 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,120 you can be influenced by people and go, oh. 223 00:14:23,510 --> 00:14:25,790 This is the definite right answer And then you stop 224 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:29,030 researching, you stop thinking critically and you just you 225 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:33,630 become so set in your ways. And I never did that once. 226 00:14:33,630 --> 00:14:36,390 The I'm going to question everything spark happened. 227 00:14:37,150 --> 00:14:40,630 I just question everything like and that's not to say that when 228 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:43,670 people share their story that I don't believe them. 229 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:48,150 That's not what I mean. What I mean is, if something 230 00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:52,340 sounds off, then maybe I go. Research a little bit more or 231 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:55,300 maybe if it challenges something that I believe then I go 232 00:14:55,300 --> 00:15:02,180 research it like and you know earlier Janet, you were talking 233 00:15:02,180 --> 00:15:08,220 about how confessing everything and you anything kept in secret 234 00:15:08,220 --> 00:15:10,420 basically makes you incomplete before God. 235 00:15:11,420 --> 00:15:14,980 And the distinction I want to make there is not and not saying 236 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:17,140 that you do this or Janet or Heidi. 237 00:15:19,540 --> 00:15:23,820 But people think that they can just Yep, I sinned in this way. 238 00:15:24,540 --> 00:15:28,420 You know, I swore I cheated on my husband. 239 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:31,540 I, you know, drink alcohol, whatever the sin is, right. 240 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:33,420 And then they go, OK, I'm forgiven, I told people. 241 00:15:33,420 --> 00:15:38,180 And it's like, no, no, no, no, there's that's not how that 242 00:15:38,180 --> 00:15:41,300 works. Honey, actually be sorry and 243 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:45,860 repent and then actually try not to do it again. 244 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:50,130 Cognizing that. What led you there? 245 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:51,410 Yeah. What led you there? 246 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:54,090 What led you there? Try and get to the root of it. 247 00:15:54,330 --> 00:15:56,810 Recognize you're probably still going to sit in the future 248 00:15:56,810 --> 00:16:02,330 because you're not perfect. Be truly sorry when it happens. 249 00:16:02,330 --> 00:16:06,170 You can't just be like, oh, I said I I did this. 250 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:08,410 God Forgives me. I can keep being a jerk and it's 251 00:16:08,410 --> 00:16:12,370 like no, how that works. And there's there's two things 252 00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:16,680 about that. That is all part of the 253 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,160 sanctification process. After you get saved, after you 254 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,000 accept Jesus, you are a continual and constant work in 255 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,480 progress because we are naturally centers and God is not 256 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,560 going to work on getting everything out of you that is 257 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,280 wrong all at once. That's not possible. 258 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:46,410 And so watch this fantastic video yesterday about a guy that 259 00:16:46,450 --> 00:16:52,970 is having problems with cussing and he knows it's bad and he 260 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:56,970 knows it's supposed to stop. And people are like, well, 261 00:16:57,490 --> 00:17:01,730 really upset at him that every once in a while he'll still use 262 00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:05,730 an F bomb. And so people get disheartened. 263 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:13,140 I'm, I'm, I'm with this guy. I'm working on the same same, 264 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:17,020 but here's the thing, he said, you know, because these people 265 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:23,940 are basically like expecting him to lie and not be his true self 266 00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:28,940 because it is something that they don't do in their lives. 267 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:33,100 And so they're putting judgment on him and saying that you 268 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,860 should lie and say you don't sin. 269 00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:38,180 They're asking you to lie. They're asking you to be a 270 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:40,450 dishonest. Everything is a work in 271 00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:42,770 progress. Like he said before the whole 272 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:47,010 cussing thing, he had a porn addiction, and so it took a 273 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:52,330 while for God to work on him to to work that addiction out of 274 00:17:52,330 --> 00:17:55,090 his soul. Same thing with with drug 275 00:17:55,090 --> 00:17:58,450 addiction, but at least he was. Exactly. 276 00:17:58,730 --> 00:18:02,490 Honest, I almost. I did slip the F bomb in one of 277 00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:06,010 my last shows. And I say it way too much. 278 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:10,290 But online on air especially, I try to really watch it because I 279 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:14,970 know the judgment, you know, But also in my real life, I'm trying 280 00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:17,450 to change it. But what I'm saying is it was on 281 00:18:17,450 --> 00:18:22,250 there and I almost edited it out and I thought no, because 282 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:26,130 because that's who you are. Yeah, because it still happened 283 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:28,610 and then it hurt you and you're fake. 284 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:31,130 Then you're fake, like kind of you know. 285 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:34,170 And people have judged me and sent me little messages like 286 00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:39,810 because I interviewed the Oracle lady and she was like her views 287 00:18:39,810 --> 00:18:42,530 were hers and my views were mine, but it was on my heart to 288 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:44,970 interview her. So I did and it was a good 289 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:46,410 interview. There were some things that I 290 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:49,050 didn't agree with her, but if you only go into the. 291 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,800 The people that you, if you are constantly surrounding yourself 292 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,280 with people that are like yes, yes, yes, they're yes men, 293 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,160 you're never going to learn anything and you're never going 294 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,080 to teach anything and get this. I was going to say you are never 295 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,560 going to grow your flock per se, right? 296 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,480 Because we have. To be honest, yes. 297 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,000 And we have a a ripple effect, right? 298 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,190 Good or bad, Whatever we do, whatever we speak, whatever 299 00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:25,230 actions are, affect other people exponentially. 300 00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:28,990 And so if you're only talking to people that have the same 301 00:19:28,990 --> 00:19:32,870 values, the same beliefs, I mean, Ellie and I are best 302 00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:38,310 friends and we don't always 1000% agree on everything, but 303 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:44,430 we can have civil, open conversations and we don't. 304 00:19:44,860 --> 00:19:49,620 There's no ever like anger or hatred or whatever in the 305 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:54,180 conversation because you have to be able to have those difficult 306 00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:58,940 conversations and give tough love to people that the three of 307 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:03,260 us know. People need that. 308 00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:08,500 You cannot be. You cannot be true in Christ and 309 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:13,460 still sugarcoat things for everybody when they need to hear 310 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:16,200 actual. Truth come out of your mouth. 311 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,040 That's because I save them. Sugar coated poo is still poo. 312 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,800 But so I have been told numerous times, basically my entire life. 313 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000 I'm too blunt. I'm too straightforward. 314 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,640 I'm too offensive. I speak my mind too much. 315 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,080 I'll talk too much, talk too much. 316 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,280 But here's the thing I. Really talk too much. 317 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,790 People are very judgmental towards your personality, but 318 00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:46,630 her personality and mine are 100%. 319 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:49,310 And I am. I am just like that, yes, that's 320 00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:50,670 what I'm. Always in trouble. 321 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:54,230 When I when I met you, Heidi, I was like, Oh my God, the three 322 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:56,950 of us. Like we would definitely have a 323 00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:59,030 very fun girls weekend. So yes. 324 00:20:59,470 --> 00:21:02,790 But the reason I think, Janet, that people. 325 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:09,700 Are so offended by us to kind of take this to the title of your 326 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:13,940 show is because they don't want to be held accountable because 327 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:17,180 Satan doesn't want you to be held accountable. 328 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:21,140 He wants you to be able to do your own thing, right. 329 00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:24,660 And so Janet, you've told me things, My husband has told me 330 00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:28,500 things where I didn't want to hear them, but they were, you 331 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,620 guys were very truthful. And you're like, no, Like you're 332 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:32,580 doing this like you're sinning in this way. 333 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:36,920 And I'm like, yeah. Like, sorry, like, but nobody 334 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,120 wants. To hear it, yeah. 335 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,200 No. And then I get and then I sit in 336 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,480 the corner and I sulk and I'm like, you're right. 337 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,480 But I'm not yelling at them. I'm not, you know, calling them 338 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,320 out and calling them names, right? 339 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:54,040 Doing the thing that they're supposed to be doing, which is 340 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,240 confronting another Christian when they're in sin. 341 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,160 Hey, you're in sin. I'm doing this in a loving way, 342 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,480 right? But when we tell people hey 343 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,930 like. You claim to be Christian, and I 344 00:22:04,930 --> 00:22:07,850 had this happen. You claim to be Christian. 345 00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:12,690 You're doing this thing, these two things like you can't do 346 00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:14,570 that. You claim to be Christian, like 347 00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:18,730 those don't match and it didn't go well. 348 00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:24,530 And I think that's why that is 100% why people are 349 00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:28,770 disillusioned with with church and with God, right? 350 00:22:28,770 --> 00:22:35,510 Because you know the the biblical saying we never two or 351 00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:38,110 more are gathered in his name, right? 352 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:42,230 That is church. Hence my husband and I literally 353 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:46,870 having biblical discussions every single day is having 354 00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:51,990 church. You do not need to be in a brick 355 00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:59,310 and mortar manmade building to live your life in Christ and to 356 00:22:59,310 --> 00:23:03,900 live it appropriately. You do not have to follow rules 357 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:12,340 and regulations and sacraments, ceremonial magic per se. 358 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,340 Well. Where did Jesus speak? 359 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:16,300 He spoke on a hill like he right. 360 00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:19,100 He was outside. Like, I'm not saying you always 361 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:21,100 it's going to snow soon. Like, I'm not going to go 362 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,580 outside in the snow here in a bit. 363 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:24,060 You know it's cold. I will. 364 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:28,990 I'll go outside my snow suit. But I'm just like, OK, and this 365 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:30,230 thing happened to me this weekend. 366 00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:32,390 I wasn't even going to bring this up, but it fits. 367 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:37,710 So I have somebody very close to me that has been a friend, but 368 00:23:37,710 --> 00:23:41,590 she's also been my enemy because it's it's my husband's exwife. 369 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:46,320 And so sometimes we disagree. And it's mostly about kids, 370 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,560 usually. OK, well, they're grownups now. 371 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,400 Their kids are grown and they're grownups. 372 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,920 And so they had an issue at a church that I don't go to. 373 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,040 And I've, I've met the pastor. He's fine, OK? 374 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,510 He's a nice person. But I didn't, you know, when you 375 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:07,350 just feel a certain thing, you know, and I didn't feel that 376 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:10,190 there so that hence I'm not a patronage of that church. 377 00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:13,150 But she is and I respect it and I've not said anything against 378 00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:16,630 him and I wouldn't because it maybe she does have that with 379 00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:20,750 him, you know, I'm not her. So I I've always just kept my 380 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:23,630 opinion to myself and said well that's, you know, fine, 381 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,310 whatever, like I've listened to a few sermons. 382 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:27,710 They're not off the wall or anything. 383 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:30,670 Like, it's none of my business really, so. 384 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,960 Then her, her son, He's very older. 385 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,040 He's he's going to be a dad soon and they're, you know, new. 386 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,680 His new spat. Well, they're not married yet. 387 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,880 So his girlfriend, they're going to, but they live together. 388 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,800 They're going to have this baby. And there was some issue at the 389 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,080 church where abruptly and rashly there was laying on of hands in 390 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,320 front of the whole congregation without permission. 391 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,200 And I said, and I didn't know anything about it. 392 00:24:59,450 --> 00:25:03,530 Until somebody came to me. So this situation was dumped on 393 00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:07,890 my lap, not dumped, expressed. Everybody has the right to say 394 00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:10,730 how they feel because they were, they were there. 395 00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:13,530 I'm just getting you know the little pieces enough. 396 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:16,370 Yeah. And I all I did was say. 397 00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:19,610 I'm gonna send you Derek Prince is one of my go to. 398 00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:22,570 I love Derek Prince videos, even though he can be legalistic 399 00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:25,410 because he was Protestant. But I I really like his message. 400 00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:27,850 So I said, oh, I remember this sermon. 401 00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:31,090 I'm gonna send it to you, OK. Like it's it's a good sermon 402 00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:33,970 with some biblical stuff that I think is good for you. 403 00:25:34,050 --> 00:25:36,170 Like he always goes to the Bible and I love that. 404 00:25:36,610 --> 00:25:39,250 So I'm like, I'll send that and I'll pray for this situation. 405 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:42,450 That's like my whole part of it. Like that's all you know. 406 00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:46,090 And because it's also not not my place. 407 00:25:46,090 --> 00:25:49,130 Like, they're all grownups. Everyone from the mom to the 408 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:55,650 kids, everybody's grownups. So I I get a message from her, 409 00:25:56,250 --> 00:26:00,450 not just asking but demanding that I lead them back to this 410 00:26:00,450 --> 00:26:03,490 situation. And I'm like, well, I can't do 411 00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:07,250 that because this isn't my place and it's really not your place. 412 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:11,590 And this is between them. And the Lord and the pastor and 413 00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:15,350 then that's all like we you probably should not be in this. 414 00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:20,350 You know they're all grown people and it's okay and and she 415 00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:24,230 said, well I'm going to repeat to you, you are stepping on my 416 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:27,270 toes as a mother. And I'm like, that's unfair. 417 00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:32,360 We're supposed to be friends. Like, I tried to be very like, 418 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,840 this is what's up. No, I wasn't gossiping, no, I 419 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,920 wasn't doing these things you pointed your finger and said you 420 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,120 came at me in love with. That wasn't how that came 421 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,000 across, by the way. Like, I'm very blunt. 422 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,520 And I said right back, like no and blah, blah, blah, blah, 423 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,560 blah. This is why. 424 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,280 And I'm not doing that, and I'm never going to do something ever 425 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,690 again in my life that I feel. That I shouldn't like in in a 426 00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:58,170 religious aspect. Okay correct. 427 00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:01,490 Because I was caged and felt this weird way. 428 00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:04,930 And so for me, it's a completely different, it's way more to me, 429 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:10,010 you know, Right, Right. So then she's mad because you 430 00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:12,370 got you got the gift of discernment. 431 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,480 Well, your departure and your spiritual growth. 432 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,000 And here's the bad As you know, my oldest daughter doesn't speak 433 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,440 to me, even though she brought me a problem, dumped it in my 434 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,880 lap, It was turned around on me and I lost that child. 435 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,040 So it's been four years. I'm not doing that again. 436 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,200 Like it isn't my place. I will pray with you. 437 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,920 I will listen to you. I will let you vent. 438 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,440 I didn't say anything negative on to about that. 439 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,520 I just said I biblically Bible hear Bible and I don't think 440 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,440 that's the way there is some ways to do that. 441 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,800 That wasn't the right way. So in front of a whole parishion 442 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,480 and with a person with PTSD, like I don't think that's okay. 443 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,600 No, I don't you. Know the other. 444 00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:06,870 Biblical part that I think the not you that the forgetting and 445 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:11,390 I understand that the they're not officially married yet. 446 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:15,270 Right. Technically, while like split 447 00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:18,430 hairs like technically this doesn't apply. 448 00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:20,510 However, they're having a child together and it sounds like 449 00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:23,310 they're intending to get married, so we're going to work 450 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:25,030 under. The concept of this applies 451 00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:26,910 because we're getting marriage, getting married. 452 00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:31,500 The Bible says yes, I know your father and mother. 453 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:35,820 The Bible also says that you should depart from your parents 454 00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:39,180 and become one flesh with your spouse, which means your parents 455 00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:43,300 should have. You should still communicate 456 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:44,460 with them. You should still talk to them 457 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:49,100 however their. Their position comes in a 458 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,300 different space. It comes down they don't get to 459 00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:58,020 be the parental role the entire time, and a lot of parents do 460 00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:01,560 that. Where, you know, you could be 60 461 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,360 and they're 80. They're like, no, I'm still the 462 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,480 parents. Like, no, I'm going to listen to 463 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,360 my husband or wife over my mother and my father because 464 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,160 that's how it's Biblically supposed. 465 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,160 Well, and God has an order of things for a reason. 466 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,600 So like this whole situation, first of all, you know the 467 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,240 spouse. We're going to go with spouse. 468 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,260 The spouse agrees with her. You know they have their own 469 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:27,180 feelings about it. And I and I said so she she 470 00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:29,740 wouldn't speak with me about this unless we all had a meeting 471 00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:32,260 together with this pastor that I have nothing to do with. 472 00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:37,620 And I said I'm not doing that like this has not, this is so 473 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,820 not comfortable for me and I'm not being mean. 474 00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,780 I'm just telling you that this isn't my place. 475 00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:48,980 You know, and she said she, she cut me off of all socials. 476 00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:51,980 She is not speaking to me. She is very angry with me. 477 00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:55,580 And I'm like, you are doing this at a very bad time because this 478 00:29:55,580 --> 00:29:58,300 girl is pregnant. She's a little bit fragile, 479 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:02,460 She's early pregnant. And I don't think it's okay to 480 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:06,740 do this, no matter even if it was a correct situation, like 481 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,980 you need to remember all the pieces you know. 482 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,760 Women are supposed to be teaching the Bible, so honestly 483 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,280 he should probably going to his dad if he has questions and a 484 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,680 lot of. Which he did, which is why I 485 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,840 knew about it, because it it came to us. 486 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,280 Because I live with the dad. Yeah. 487 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,200 You know, so but they and she's very into this church and I 488 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,840 understand that. But she's got this preacher on a 489 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,440 pedestal, she said to me. So you are wrong in God. 490 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,280 She told me this. She said you are biblically 491 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,840 going against God and I'm calling you out for it. 492 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,200 And I said because I won't lead him back. 493 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,760 And she said, well, I'm going to give this to God. 494 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,360 And I said, well, I'm not God, so I don't know why you're 495 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,600 giving this to me. And I know that came out really 496 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,650 rude. And I just said I, but I'm 497 00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:01,250 always in trouble for stuff like that. 498 00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:04,650 And I I'm like okay, but I will give it to God too. 499 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:07,210 And I mean it. Let's let it go and pray. 500 00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:11,770 I said let I'll pray with you. I'll meet with you one-on-one as 501 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:16,370 parents or as friends or just however you feel about it or 502 00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:18,610 whatever I've done. If I've offended you that I 503 00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:23,090 don't want that, you know. But if it has to do with these 504 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:26,350 other people, the kids. Then we can't. 505 00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:29,470 We are no longer. And I told the kids this I love 506 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:31,750 you guys. I want to help you. 507 00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:36,470 I am your parent, but I'm not. I am your cheerleader now. 508 00:31:36,550 --> 00:31:40,350 We are on the sidelines of your life, cheering you along and 509 00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:44,030 trying to help you pick you up. If you need us, if you ask. 510 00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:47,710 But if you do not ask of us, we are totally in the wrong 511 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:50,230 position for that. Because we're not. 512 00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:54,950 And here's the very interesting thing about that story. 513 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:58,430 And that's going to lead in to my little story. 514 00:31:58,430 --> 00:32:00,110 I thought I should share it. I know I'll. 515 00:32:00,390 --> 00:32:04,190 Be in trouble. The thing about that is if 516 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:08,710 those, you know, if the children themselves were uncomfortable 517 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:13,910 with something that happened at church, God is putting it on 518 00:32:13,910 --> 00:32:17,710 their heart that that is not where they are supposed to be. 519 00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:21,550 And people, you need to listen to that message. 520 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:24,190 But instead they're saying it's demonic. 521 00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:28,450 It's not. It's it is absolutely not 522 00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:32,530 demonic. When when God is leading you to 523 00:32:32,530 --> 00:32:35,610 find another church, there's a reason. 524 00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:38,050 And they're not throwing church out the window. 525 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:42,010 They're not doing anything that particular church because 526 00:32:42,010 --> 00:32:46,650 something there is wrong and always, always listen to your 527 00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:50,890 gut. And so for me, this is the 528 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:54,890 second church we've been to in a short period of time. 529 00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:59,530 The first church we went to, we have literally only been there 530 00:32:59,530 --> 00:33:05,290 for one month. And then they had a church 531 00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:09,090 meeting. They wanted to vote the pastor 532 00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:16,450 out because he was bringing in not only political rhetoric into 533 00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:22,900 his sermons. Very, very leftist, very hate 534 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:27,660 right wing, very blatant. But he was also bringing in 535 00:33:28,780 --> 00:33:36,780 false teachings from people that have, you know, like TV, church 536 00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:44,220 personalities per se that had been arrested or whatever, very 537 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:46,780 false teachings. And so he was bringing that in. 538 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:50,750 So the congregation was mad. They want to try to remove him. 539 00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:52,590 They had a vote on it the whole 9 yards. 540 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:57,550 Fast forward a little bit, We're like, we're very uncomfortable, 541 00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:59,270 so we're going to look for another church. 542 00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:04,550 We go to this church and we are definitely not the type of 543 00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:09,389 people that jump in and sign up to serve and stuff right away 544 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:13,350 because we want to make sure that it's a good foundation and 545 00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:16,350 a good fit for us. And This is why. 546 00:34:17,350 --> 00:34:22,330 First church, Second church, ever since we started going 547 00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:27,690 there, like nothing was really wrong per se in the sermons. 548 00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:32,770 For the most part, I was going to say for the for the most 549 00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:36,690 part, they're not. They don't include a lot of 550 00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:42,330 Bible teaching, which my husband grew up in a church that was 551 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:45,210 Bible based. He moved here to start a church 552 00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:49,290 the whole 9 yards. I grew up in a Catholic Church, 553 00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:51,810 so it was very Bible based, whatever. 554 00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:57,330 That's her thing. Most of the churches nowadays, 555 00:34:57,850 --> 00:35:02,410 they will read little pieces of scripture here and there and put 556 00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:06,490 it in their speech. However, they don't focus on 557 00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:08,370 that. They they literally talk. 558 00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:13,530 It's like a just talking and then reading little pieces. 559 00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:19,130 So we're going through this church and I'm like, I'm really 560 00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:21,290 uncomfortable and he's like I'm uncomfortable too. 561 00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:25,850 But unless you know there's something egregious like I I 562 00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:28,090 have to have justification to leave here. 563 00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:34,130 And so we're things are going on and and we're getting a little 564 00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:39,450 more concerned. I guess they have people that 565 00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:42,650 were in the audience that at every service that I call 566 00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:51,130 plants, they are scattered throughout the Chapel, church, 567 00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:54,090 whatever you want to say, whatever religion you are, this 568 00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:58,730 is probably applying a lot of them and they are there to 569 00:35:58,730 --> 00:36:02,610 elicit emotional response during the sermon. 570 00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:08,190 And so there are certain parts where they will, he will pause 571 00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:11,790 the sermon and then, like, people are supposed to clap or 572 00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:15,630 yell Amen or Yep, Yep, the whole time. 573 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:21,990 And we're like, okay, This is weird because it's like they're 574 00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:26,590 trying to get you that emotional response that they're planting 575 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:29,470 in you. An emotional response within you 576 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:33,190 should come from the Holy Spirit, not from something that 577 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:38,370 man is doing. So then it's like he would have 578 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:42,290 these weird series and he had one that I I told Ellie about. 579 00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:45,930 It was so cringe. It was a relationship series and 580 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:49,610 I was so uncomfortable during that. 581 00:36:49,610 --> 00:36:53,330 And I'm like I got to do a show because this this one is 582 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:55,330 something. It was too much. 583 00:36:56,370 --> 00:37:00,410 And so anyway, we're both still feeling like super uncomfortable 584 00:37:00,410 --> 00:37:04,690 or whatever. And then a couple weeks ago, we 585 00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:08,060 didn't go, we were going to watch it online because my 586 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,620 husband's allergies were bad. So I'm in the kitchen. 587 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,900 Yeah. Today I'm in the kitchen making 588 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,260 breakfast and it comes down and I hear. 589 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:21,780 So there are most of you probably know there was an 590 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:25,500 e-mail went out with a lot of allegations in it. 591 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:31,700 So we're going to do, we're going to have an independent 592 00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:33,780 investigation. Wink wink. 593 00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:39,510 Independent, right, So they keep mentioning this like every week. 594 00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:44,750 Well, finally they had a church meeting the other day. 595 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:50,670 Family meeting is what it says on the screen when we walked in. 596 00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:55,190 They literally read every single allegation, which, mind you, 597 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,590 there were 32. Oh wow. 598 00:37:58,950 --> 00:38:04,380 Like word for word, for word. And I'm telling you this was on 599 00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:09,340 behalf of four families because the husband and the wife and 600 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:13,860 each one of these families all were part of the ministry team, 601 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:17,540 every single one of them, all part of the staff. 602 00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:22,180 So on behalf of all four families, which was very 603 00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:27,940 meticulous documentation in this e-mail, dates, times, exactly 604 00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:31,140 what was said, who was in the meeting, the whole 9 yards. 605 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:34,800 So you know, without a shadow of a doubt that this happened 606 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,440 because they really. Have just allegations at that 607 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,560 point, right? Okay. 608 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:47,160 So mind you, and this is an important piece of the story, we 609 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,640 knew about this pastor before we ever started going there because 610 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,360 we looked him up. He had a criminal record in the 611 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,600 past. People can be saved. 612 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000 People can repent for their sins. 613 00:39:00,590 --> 00:39:03,390 He had embezzled money from a church before. 614 00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:10,590 So you know, we're like, okay, we're going to give him a chance 615 00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:12,990 because everybody deserves a chance. 616 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:18,990 So we're going to this church and and the whole 9 yards this 617 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:24,070 comes out, they're reading all of these different points. 618 00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:31,840 And I swear to you, it was like a little kindergarten nanny Boo 619 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,720 Boo thing. The church investigated itself, 620 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:43,680 so there it was not independent. Okay, the pastor, appoints every 621 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,280 single one of the people that are in positions in the church. 622 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,800 So like his best friend there is supposed to be supposed to be a 623 00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,930 separation between the pastor and the finances given what had 624 00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:03,370 happened before and this is in the bylaws. 625 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:11,250 Very important piece here. And so multiple times in this it 626 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:17,570 was about financial crimes. He got arrested in this other 627 00:40:17,570 --> 00:40:19,890 state, serves his time, blah blah blah. 628 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:23,250 Paid restitution came here, started the church. 629 00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:29,220 As soon as the church got up and running and given finances, they 630 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:33,460 were given corporate cards. He used the corporate card for 631 00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:39,540 his own personal expenses. Didn't really learn your lesson, 632 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:39,980 did. You. 633 00:40:40,820 --> 00:40:45,020 That looks yucky. And then as the allegations go 634 00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:47,700 on, like I said, there was 32, so I'm not going to name them 635 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:51,100 all, but some of them were were highly like agreement. 636 00:40:51,980 --> 00:41:01,130 So in a staff meeting he disclosed personal financial 637 00:41:01,210 --> 00:41:08,450 records of employees. Now, mind you, almost every 638 00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:11,850 church, and this has been the last two that we've been to, if 639 00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:18,010 you are a member or a partner or whatever they call it, they want 640 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:24,010 you to sign up and they monitor your finances to make sure that 641 00:41:24,010 --> 00:41:32,410 you are giving your 10% or more of your money that you bring in. 642 00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:38,530 They want financial records, the whole thing of if you are, if 643 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:41,770 you are part of this member, partner, whatever the church 644 00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:45,010 wants to call it. So he disclosed personal 645 00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:51,050 financial information of staff members, Red Flag number one. 646 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,440 And then in another separate meeting, he disclosed the 647 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:06,160 personal financial gifts that they were doing to establish a 648 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,520 secondary church. Wow. 649 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,800 And in this meeting he's well, I know so and SO only makes this X 650 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:22,690 amount of money, but they donated $3000 into this new 651 00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:28,210 building. Again, if he's separated from 652 00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:32,090 finances, where did that come in? 653 00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:38,610 That's that's so odd that he would want to. 654 00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:42,170 I mean, in any situation, including court, those kind of 655 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:45,250 documents are really kept private. 656 00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:49,290 They'll say exhibit whatever and then they'll give them correct 657 00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:50,730 the. The thing. 658 00:42:50,890 --> 00:42:56,810 So that's awkward. Like this whole this whole 659 00:42:56,810 --> 00:43:01,410 thing. They're going, this is the 660 00:43:01,410 --> 00:43:07,930 allegation, but stinky Doo Doo poo poo head? 661 00:43:07,930 --> 00:43:09,450 That's not true. It's somebody's pain. 662 00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:13,370 You know what I'm saying? This whole meeting was like that 663 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:20,230 and then they took questions from the audience and the very 664 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:23,710 first guy that gets up had a list. 665 00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:33,950 So not only had this guy been charged for embezzlement and 666 00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:39,670 used the the company credit card at the current church, he had 667 00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:46,260 assault charges and so there was a restraining order filed 668 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:51,140 against him for the pastor that exposed the financial crimes at 669 00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:54,380 the previous place. So this is your. 670 00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:59,620 This is deed there was theft of theft of personal property and 671 00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:02,660 stuff. And so my point in telling you 672 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:08,860 guys this, this is the second church in a row where the church 673 00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:15,150 had a split, which is not normal and that very short period of 674 00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:18,590 time. And I'm in my 50s, so I've never 675 00:44:18,590 --> 00:44:21,270 had that happen in my life. And this is two in a row. 676 00:44:22,030 --> 00:44:26,430 But whenever you get that inkling that something is wrong, 677 00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:29,670 run. Change church. 678 00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:36,310 Watch something online, get out your Bible and just pray 679 00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:40,130 whatever you need to do. If you have a feeling that 680 00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:43,490 something is not right with that church, trust your gut. 681 00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:47,530 But you did the right thing on it because like she said, she 682 00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:51,850 had a feeling and that she, she literally posted that the next 683 00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:54,370 day like go with your gut and that was the one that thinks 684 00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:57,850 they should go back. But that's her feeling about it. 685 00:44:57,850 --> 00:45:00,610 And like you guys use discernment about it and you 686 00:45:00,610 --> 00:45:03,410 prayed and you did this research and it was. 687 00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:09,170 Like all in a row, like she she feels in her gut that maybe 688 00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:11,210 we're bad people. I don't know who that was for. 689 00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:13,730 It was very passive aggressive and I'm super not like that. 690 00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:16,690 I don't know if it was for me. I don't know if it was for 691 00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:19,330 someone else, like. But of course if you're if 692 00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:21,490 you're arguing with someone and they post something like that, 693 00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:23,050 which is why I don't do that anymore. 694 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,920 They're going to take it that way. 695 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,160 But it literally was. Trust your gut thing. 696 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,080 And I'm like, well, that and even that might be OK for you 697 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,400 and your gut, but for her, for the other kids involved, they 698 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,920 have a different gut feeling. Well, God. 699 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,560 God moves us. God, Maybe it's not even a bad 700 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,120 thing. Maybe he just needs to move 701 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560 them, to help them, to help somebody else. 702 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,240 Like you. Never know. 703 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,160 Or to help them grow. Yeah. 704 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,400 What were you going to say? Ill. 705 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,400 Our emotions. Can be wrong. 706 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,320 So like trusting your gut with no foundation. 707 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,560 Right. You had a family. 708 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,240 Typically go well. So whether it's biblical or hey, 709 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,240 this person has an arrest record or like whatever it is, but like 710 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,720 your gut is usually telling you something, but it's not always 711 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:15,400 100% right. You gotta, you gotta go and dig 712 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,560 into that like, well, that was, that was the thing. 713 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,870 Yeah, because like, for him, for my husband, he was praying for 714 00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:27,110 discernment. And for me, because I felt like 715 00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:29,990 I already had discernment in the situation. 716 00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:35,950 I was praying for God to move us to whatever church that we were 717 00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:39,550 meant to be at. And a lot of people don't 718 00:46:39,550 --> 00:46:44,870 understand this, but when you get that feeling that something 719 00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:49,420 is wrong and you're supposed to leave that church that is God 720 00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:54,460 moving you for an ordained specific reason because you 721 00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:59,300 cannot further your growth where you're at and you are needed 722 00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:01,900 somewhere else for a different purpose. 723 00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:06,220 And the other person might still be needed in that church now, 724 00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:08,420 Not with the arrest thing. That's wild. 725 00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:12,140 Like I I would be very concerned for most people in that church. 726 00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:15,060 But, and it's there. Let me let me throw this in 727 00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:17,900 there because I told Ellie this yesterday when we were talking 728 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:28,110 about it during this meeting, it was like you are only allowed to 729 00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:31,430 clap. When we say clap, you're only 730 00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:38,310 allowed to not to to have anger if it's directed at the people 731 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:42,790 that wrote this e-mail where the one person's that's there 732 00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:46,370 defending them. And it was very cultish. 733 00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:52,210 And they were very they were very much praising this pastor 734 00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:57,210 and praising like everything he does and like he could do no 735 00:47:57,210 --> 00:47:58,970 wrong. I mean 32 counts. 736 00:47:58,970 --> 00:48:02,370 And my husband and I were like most of these. 737 00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:08,810 We can verify because we were actually in sermons when these 738 00:48:08,810 --> 00:48:11,570 things happened. A lot of them were very 739 00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:17,080 inappropriate language or things that were said during a sermon 740 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:22,200 or whatever, but it was like this whole thing was to to lift 741 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:28,640 up this pastor and praise him and applaud for him, and then so 742 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:35,600 hatred and and violence against the families that exposed. 743 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,760 It like the four families that wrote it. 744 00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:42,250 Weren't allowed to be there and there was like, police there 745 00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:44,610 because you were afraid people were going to get violent, quote 746 00:48:44,610 --> 00:48:46,330 UN quote correct. Yep. 747 00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:49,330 They've never had police at this church ever. 748 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:54,770 And when we pulled in, I'm like, why are there so many police 749 00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:58,090 officers here? And this, this person that was 750 00:48:58,090 --> 00:49:02,210 exposing things during the question period, and he's 751 00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:08,300 literally reading this list about this pastor, the theater 752 00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:11,420 to me, very relevant and valid. Right, right. 753 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,180 And ever. It's leaving no room open for 754 00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:17,300 anybody to have any kind of, like, true questioning. 755 00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:20,620 Because he already said, like, you can't do that. 756 00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:23,820 Like, unless you're agreeing, agreeing, which that's just 757 00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:26,820 weird, like. And that's why I was like, I 758 00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:30,060 told my husband all along, I'm like, to me, if there's very 759 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:33,950 cultish, like I said, you have to plant the people in the 760 00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:37,350 audience to elicit the responses that they want. 761 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:43,270 It's not organic. I'm like, and you have to clap 762 00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:45,510 like a seal when they want you to. 763 00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:50,110 They want you to repeat certain words that he says during his 764 00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:56,030 sermon and he'll be like, say so that and he wants everybody to 765 00:49:56,030 --> 00:50:00,710 repeat those words. And it was almost like chanting 766 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:03,330 things to me. And we're like, at a rap 767 00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:05,250 concert, and they're like, tell me what it is. 768 00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:07,330 Tell me what it is. It was. 769 00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:09,610 It was very. Uncomfortable. 770 00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:12,730 That's weird. Like, why would you want to be 771 00:50:13,090 --> 00:50:14,970 having repetition come back to you? 772 00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:17,570 Like that's almost just like edification of yourself. 773 00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:22,730 That is exactly my point and that is why I brought up 774 00:50:22,810 --> 00:50:27,650 edification earlier. Because with this and what the 775 00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:32,020 things that he does and he's always saying like you can't get 776 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:36,060 into heaven unless you follow what I tell you to do. 777 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:42,420 And I was like. For the Catholics, I was like, 778 00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:46,060 okay, this is like, not, yeah, this is not. 779 00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:52,620 And I'm very happy that my husband got his discernment. 780 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,700 So now that we can move on. And feel comfortable together? 781 00:50:57,260 --> 00:51:01,640 Yeah. And so even if you go somewhere 782 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,760 and you don't feel at home, you don't feel at peace. 783 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,120 There's something like nagging or gnawing at your, you know, 784 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,440 insides, basically, like making you uncomfortable. 785 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,400 That's probably not the right place for you to be. 786 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,120 Well, and you know, Heidi, you had mentioned that you don't go 787 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,440 to church like to a church building, right? 788 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,520 And I know, Janet, now you're on the hunt again. 789 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,360 Yes, again. So hard. 790 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,040 I agree with you guys in the sense of like God can be found 791 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,800 anywhere. Totally agree. 792 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:44,320 The part where I struggle is like never having. 793 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,600 I'm not going to call it a church, a group of biblically 794 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,120 sound Christians, whether or not you all. 795 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,000 Go to a building or not, but at least that you know on a regular 796 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,200 basis we can hold you accountable. 797 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,920 So because I feel like that's the piece where you can say 798 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,920 you're a Christian and you can read the Bible and you can 799 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,360 honestly do the best you can do. But if you don't have someone 800 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,680 that will be like, no, you're sinning, that's where we can 801 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,080 fall and so. Churches. 802 00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:25,810 Can provide that, but they aren't the only way to do it. 803 00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:30,250 But even if you go to church, are there people that are strong 804 00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:33,370 enough and their faith that they will call you? 805 00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:36,210 I don't think. People act like that too, like 806 00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:39,410 in Mormon church like. So many people were like, I'm 807 00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:42,410 perfect and this is me on Sunday, and then they do 808 00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:45,530 whatever in the dark, you know, And most people are on their 809 00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:48,810 best behavior in church. And my big thing about church 810 00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:52,130 here is just because there's so many Mormon churches, there's 811 00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:54,570 not a lot to choose from on Christian churches here. 812 00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:57,730 But I would love to find a church home. 813 00:52:57,730 --> 00:53:01,650 I think they are good to like, worship together, everything, 814 00:53:01,650 --> 00:53:04,970 All that stuff is really good. But I also feel like in Utah 815 00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:09,720 we're really stunted because. We don't have, we don't have a 816 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,600 ton of options and not that I've checked every single one but it 817 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,440 hasn't felt like, oh this is your place or blah blah. 818 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,160 But I also know, like, it's so important for my my kids. 819 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,120 You know, Like, I want them to know, hey, you have some friends 820 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,840 and God, like these people believe like you, especially 821 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,040 here. Because they don't. 822 00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:31,700 People don't believe like us. Here you. 823 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,780 Know normalize it of sorts, right? 824 00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:37,500 Because if everyone that she knows or he knows. 825 00:53:37,580 --> 00:53:38,620 Everyone. You. 826 00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:42,100 Know Mormon. Or you know they believe in the 827 00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:45,620 Purple Spaghetti Monster. Like you need someone that goes 828 00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:47,220 no like we also believe in the Bible. 829 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:49,420 We also say a prayer before we eat. 830 00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:54,420 We also like, do these things. I think it's hard for them, 831 00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:57,220 yeah. Yeah, it is hard for them 832 00:53:57,220 --> 00:53:59,310 because especially. Where? 833 00:53:59,310 --> 00:54:01,990 OK, so the Mormon church doesn't believe in the Trinity. 834 00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:04,630 So literally my daughter got in an argument with her friend the 835 00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:05,950 other day. And I always tell him don't 836 00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:09,390 talk, don't talk about religion, church or whatever, Like, but 837 00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:11,430 they weren't, They were talking about God, which I've always 838 00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:13,470 said like, oh God, you know, whatever. 839 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:16,830 And so she came home and she said that was so stupid. 840 00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:18,470 We had a fight. And I said, what did you have a 841 00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:19,550 fight about? She's 9. 842 00:54:19,550 --> 00:54:24,390 And she said, I told them that Jesus created the world. 843 00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:29,210 And because Jesus is God and and they're the same person and 844 00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:32,850 she's like telling them and they were like, no, Jesus isn't God 845 00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:34,610 because they don't believe in the Trinity. 846 00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:37,890 They believe that Jesus is Jesus and God is God and God is the 847 00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:40,850 Father and Jesus is the Son and the Holy Spirit is somebody 848 00:54:40,850 --> 00:54:44,970 totally different too. So and I guess they got into it 849 00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:47,690 and I and then my husband was like explaining about in the 850 00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:50,410 Bible that it says, you know and God became flesh. 851 00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:53,620 And came down and but then I said, but also don't go tell 852 00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:57,100 your friend that like they they believe what they believe and 853 00:54:57,420 --> 00:55:00,860 you're not to correct her beliefs because that will make a 854 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,540 fight with this parent or whatever, right? 855 00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,580 And she just, she didn't understand. 856 00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:11,580 But I understand that she feels kind of on her own island, 857 00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:14,150 probably. I do a lot of the time, you 858 00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:18,950 know, And I just, I she does know, like her one friend is 859 00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:22,310 Catholic and they believe, you know, sort of more similar. 860 00:55:22,310 --> 00:55:25,710 So that's nice. But I mean, I do see it. 861 00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:26,830 I see. And it's hard. 862 00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:28,790 It's a struggle here. It's a struggle. 863 00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:30,430 Like you almost don't want to say it. 864 00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:33,670 Like, I know when I was younger, like I couldn't date anybody 865 00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:36,150 that wasn't Mormon. I couldn't like play with people 866 00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:39,710 that weren't Mormon. Like it's very cultish and and 867 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:41,310 that's just how they're known to be. 868 00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:44,430 But it's also like. 90% of this state. 869 00:55:45,070 --> 00:55:51,950 I was raised Roman Catholic and I was taught that basically the 870 00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:57,270 Christians who basically anyone who wasn't Catholic, not so much 871 00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:00,630 the Lutherans, the Lutherans like were kind of OK, but like 872 00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:05,630 everyone else was going to hell. And the people who did like, you 873 00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:10,110 know, the hands up music were going to hell and like. 874 00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:13,550 They didn't pray to Mary, so they were going to hell and like 875 00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:15,710 everyone was going to hell. Except for the Catholics. 876 00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:17,990 They're all. On a train? 877 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:25,430 Well, it isn't it interesting how multiple religious factions, 878 00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:29,430 sects, whatever you want to call them, will do the same thing and 879 00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:35,830 they will instill in you that everybody else is bad outside of 880 00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:42,780 your practicing group. And again, that is judgment. 881 00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:47,820 You are casting judgment upon, you know, people who sing, 882 00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:51,100 people who speak in tongues, even though that's biblical, you 883 00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:55,700 know the whole 9 yards. But almost every religion does 884 00:56:55,700 --> 00:57:02,540 that where they and it it's kind of it's exactly, it's actually 885 00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:11,070 exactly the same as, again, disillusionments in modern day 886 00:57:11,070 --> 00:57:16,390 society where you have to praise one group and this group is 887 00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:21,670 great, and then the other groups you absolutely have to crap on 888 00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:24,790 them because they're not this high on. 889 00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:29,470 The same level, yeah. But I think you know, because 890 00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:34,110 people have argued, well, if you just believe in the Bible, you 891 00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:37,630 know, doesn't matter what version of Christianity you are. 892 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,040 You believe in Jesus, you're going to heaven. 893 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320 I'm like, I don't know how. Not true. 894 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,160 Not that that's not quite true. And people like, well, if 895 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,840 Christianity was so good or Christianity is the right 896 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,280 religion, why are so many different versions of it? 897 00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,560 Well, for me, like, that's a simple answer. 898 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,280 Jesus was tempted in the desert by Satan who used the Bible 899 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,280 against him, but Satan took it out of context. 900 00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:09,950 What do you think? Like all of these other things 901 00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:15,670 are doing like that. I think so much of it was for 902 00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:18,070 me. When I look at religion, I see 903 00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:21,390 so many similarities and things and I'm like, I think a lot of 904 00:58:21,390 --> 00:58:23,990 this was distorted with the Tower of Babel. 905 00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:26,630 Like at that point. I don't think the only thing 906 00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:28,710 that changed was their language, I think. 907 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,120 With the reading, the writings, all of it probably changed at 908 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,320 the same time. So we have no idea what 909 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,240 correlates and what doesn't. You know, like maybe that is 910 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,440 literally their Bible story and then it got changed to that name 911 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,320 or whatever. You know, my, my stepson of me 912 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,280 and I've had this conversation like did you see these, you 913 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,080 know, similarities with this or that? 914 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,560 And I'm like, well, for sure, you know, we'll never know. 915 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,200 We'll never know. I watched this series. 916 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,720 I think there's like 4 parts of it now. 917 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:04,320 It's on YouTube. It's not, like the most. 918 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,320 It's not like it's a professional video that's put 919 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,680 together. So you have to like, watch it 920 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,080 for the content, OK. But it was a it's by a guy named 921 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,800 Spencer Smith who's a preacher and it's called the third Adam 922 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,720 series. And it talks exactly about that. 923 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,600 How? Because people are like, Oh 924 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:31,750 well, you know, the Bible. Was just coopted by all of these 925 00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:38,510 older religions, and this series goes into showing how that's not 926 00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:43,470 the case and how there was the one example that pops out is 927 00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:48,230 especially Catholicism, the Madonna and Child, or the Virgin 928 00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:51,390 Mary and Jesus. And it's very it. 929 00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:54,140 It it's. Very sacred in Catholic faith. 930 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:58,580 And he goes into talking about how that's Ishtar and all of 931 00:59:58,580 --> 01:00:01,140 these different and I think Tamuz was the son. 932 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:06,060 And so comparing all of these different things that Christians 933 01:00:06,060 --> 01:00:10,260 believe in, showing how and why Christianity is correct and how 934 01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:13,620 actually all of these quote UN quote older religions had 935 01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:16,540 coopted Christianity and why that happened. 936 01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:19,150 So the third Adam series by Spencer Smith. 937 01:00:20,310 --> 01:00:22,590 Well, and think about it in this aspect too. 938 01:00:22,590 --> 01:00:26,950 We are all created unique and very different. 939 01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:34,630 And so a lot of the factions that happen even within 940 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:38,670 denominations, there are multiple different factions of 941 01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:42,910 Pentecostal or Lutheran or Catholic or whatever you want to 942 01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:48,310 say is because. Their interpretation of 943 01:00:48,310 --> 01:00:53,430 scripture is very different from interpretation of scripture of 944 01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:56,790 what you or I would get. And that's why you have all 945 01:00:56,790 --> 01:01:01,350 these different offshoots in the same religion, because their 946 01:01:01,350 --> 01:01:05,790 beliefs are a little bit tweaked from what the, from what the 947 01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:11,030 main group was and so they just continue to expand and expand 948 01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:16,650 and expand and. One of the things that's going 949 01:01:16,650 --> 01:01:27,210 to rapidly increase, I think is the new A G churches and how 950 01:01:28,050 --> 01:01:35,730 they're corrupting biblical text with spiritual speak, which are 951 01:01:35,730 --> 01:01:39,010 very, very different. And so it's going to be like a 952 01:01:39,010 --> 01:01:47,270 removal of God replaced with. You know, whatever name of 953 01:01:47,310 --> 01:01:50,110 whatever being you think should be at the top. 954 01:01:50,350 --> 01:01:54,630 And I think we're going to see a lot of that because God talks 955 01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:58,910 about that in the Bible. So, Ellie, you. 956 01:01:59,430 --> 01:02:00,870 Not biblical. It's not. 957 01:02:01,310 --> 01:02:03,710 You can't, you know. Correct. 958 01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:10,670 So Ellie, you brought up a a very good like quote or saying. 959 01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:15,500 That kind of goes along with everything we have been talking 960 01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:17,660 about. Do you remember what the quote 961 01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:19,220 was, or do you want me to read it? 962 01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:24,180 Compromise is the currency of corruption and evil. 963 01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:30,460 And I heard that on a podcast and I was like, I literally had 964 01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:32,020 deposit. And I was like, yeah. 965 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:38,180 And because if you think about all of the things that people 966 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:42,450 are that we're upset about right now in the world, that things 967 01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:47,330 have gone too far. So I'm going to pick on the 968 01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:49,410 alphabet soup, L, GB, T alphabet soup people. 969 01:02:50,770 --> 01:02:59,450 So it started as a compromise that people of the same sex 970 01:02:59,450 --> 01:03:04,250 could legally get married. And then it became the churches 971 01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:06,610 needed to recognize it. That was the next compromise. 972 01:03:07,090 --> 01:03:10,950 And then it became. Well, it's not just. 973 01:03:12,430 --> 01:03:14,950 The bakers. The bakers have to accept it, 974 01:03:15,310 --> 01:03:16,070 right? Well, and then. 975 01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:19,790 But it wasn't just gays and lesbians anymore then it was. 976 01:03:19,790 --> 01:03:23,350 I don't even know the difference between a lesbian and a gay in a 977 01:03:23,350 --> 01:03:24,710 queer. Like, I don't even know. 978 01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:28,150 But then there was that, and it was trans, and you need to 979 01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:30,670 accept the trans. And then it wasn't just the 980 01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:35,110 adult trans, it was the kids. And you needed to accept that 981 01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:38,420 you didn't have any identity. And then it was, you need to 982 01:03:38,420 --> 01:03:41,020 accept that your kid could be a cat and you should have a litter 983 01:03:41,020 --> 01:03:47,860 box and like, and then it ran well, but then it went so far as 984 01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:51,260 boys needed tampons in their bathroom, like. 985 01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,300 So we kept having these compromises. 986 01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:56,460 And that's just one example. And everyone's like, how did we 987 01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:58,020 get here? And I'm like, because we allowed 988 01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:00,260 gay marriage and someone's going to get really mad at me for 989 01:04:00,260 --> 01:04:01,700 that. And I'm totally OK with people 990 01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:05,660 being mad at me. But but it is true and based 991 01:04:05,820 --> 01:04:11,860 based on that quote. That is why today's show title 992 01:04:11,860 --> 01:04:18,460 is so perfect. Devilish, devilish disillusions. 993 01:04:18,460 --> 01:04:23,860 Because compromise is the currency of corruption and evil. 994 01:04:24,140 --> 01:04:27,300 By being weak and not holding boundaries or people 995 01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:30,820 accountable. At work, at home, at church, 996 01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:34,660 government, whatever. Is how we end up with all of 997 01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:37,940 these different agendas. Because, ladies and gentlemen, 998 01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:43,260 pride is the original sin in the Bible. 999 01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:46,860 What? What does that group call 1000 01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:52,300 themselves now? Pride and and what is a very 1001 01:04:52,300 --> 01:04:55,820 common pronoun pronoun now? It's not just he and she. 1002 01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:59,140 It's now and they. They uh huh. 1003 01:04:59,540 --> 01:05:05,070 Which is a perversion. A complete and total perversion 1004 01:05:06,030 --> 01:05:13,630 of godmaking, man and woman, and the fact that they are not only 1005 01:05:13,630 --> 01:05:16,910 putting it in churches, it's in every business. 1006 01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:20,790 It's in the government, it is in the schools, it is literally 1007 01:05:20,790 --> 01:05:26,110 everywhere because they're banking on putting enough 1008 01:05:26,110 --> 01:05:30,590 pressure on all of the human beings that you compromise. 1009 01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:37,060 Your morals, your values, and your belief in God to accept 1010 01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:41,780 that this is okay. And once you accept that into 1011 01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:46,460 your soul, then you are no longer connected to God by any 1012 01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:49,780 means. So I I saw this thing or I read 1013 01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:52,980 it, I don't know which one and I'm not 100% sure how I feel 1014 01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:54,060 about someone to throw it out there. 1015 01:05:54,820 --> 01:06:00,120 The reason that they use the day them pronouns is the only they 1016 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,040 in the Bible is the Trinity because they are truly three in 1017 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:08,120 one. Any other they that like any 1018 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,280 human. OK, maybe that's better way to 1019 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,640 say a human who claims to be they is then purporting to be 1020 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,680 God because there should only be one thing. 1021 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:23,360 Well, it's also used for demons because they are legion and so 1022 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,160 that's kind of scary to me because. 1023 01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:28,570 And you know, we've we've struggled with this one because 1024 01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:32,330 we do have a daughter that's gay and so we've had to really 1025 01:06:32,330 --> 01:06:36,210 struggle with it. And she, yeah, we, she's old 1026 01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:38,410 enough to make her decisions. She knows. 1027 01:06:38,530 --> 01:06:42,050 She knows the Bible, she knows right from wrong, She knows 1028 01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:44,810 everything. But here's the thing we 1029 01:06:44,810 --> 01:06:46,730 specifically told her. Look. 1030 01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:50,870 Whatever you decide what your sin is, your sin is no different 1031 01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:52,510 than ours. But I think that you should 1032 01:06:52,510 --> 01:06:55,110 really educate yourself on this whole situation. 1033 01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:58,550 But do not get involved in any, any group. 1034 01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:01,790 You are very against the pride movement. 1035 01:07:02,030 --> 01:07:04,870 I'm not against a person or their sin. 1036 01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:10,070 I am against that they are making it this big huge monster 1037 01:07:10,070 --> 01:07:12,310 that you can't fight like it's right. 1038 01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:15,840 It's impossible. Well, and that's, that's what I 1039 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,320 want people to understand because they're probably going 1040 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,480 to very much misconstrue what I just said a moment ago. 1041 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:27,240 But you are 100% right, you hit the nail on the head because it 1042 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:34,680 is not the individuals pushing you to change your bathroom, 1043 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,600 allow sex offenders in the same bathroom with you, you know, 1044 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,320 whatever. All of this other stuff is not 1045 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,470 an individual. Individuals can still be saved. 1046 01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:49,230 Individuals can still repent of their sin. 1047 01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:54,470 It is this monstrosity of a group that wants you to know 1048 01:07:55,270 --> 01:08:01,390 that you are not okay if you are not part of their group. 1049 01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:05,790 You are not a normal person if you are, if you are a straight 1050 01:08:05,790 --> 01:08:10,180 man or a straight woman. You are not accepted in society. 1051 01:08:10,180 --> 01:08:11,900 That is exactly what they're telling you. 1052 01:08:12,020 --> 01:08:14,780 Well, and it's not just the straightness, it's it goes with 1053 01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:17,060 all the groups, it goes with color. 1054 01:08:17,180 --> 01:08:20,859 It goes anything that they can use to divide us, they will use, 1055 01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,220 correct. That goes to politics, that goes 1056 01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:25,460 to groups. I mean they are making it so 1057 01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:28,500 separatist. They have gone into like, oh, 1058 01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:30,460 everybody was inclusive, but we're not. 1059 01:08:30,580 --> 01:08:33,960 No one's inclusive anymore. You can't be included. 1060 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,479 If you're a gay person, you're going to be a little more 1061 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,680 accepted into a situation than my straight white son. 1062 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,439 Okay, he he he didn't do anything to choose that. 1063 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,960 Like that's who he is. That's who he came out and is. 1064 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,200 Why are you demonizing him for? For nothing. 1065 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,000 You know he and he feels it. He feels it at school, he feels 1066 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,120 it, you know. And so a lot of times I feel 1067 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,120 like sometimes the kids are led into that because they if you 1068 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,359 aren't identifying as that, then maybe I'm not special because 1069 01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:09,800 I'm a straight white girl. You know, straight white. 1070 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,120 If everyone is special, known as special first of. 1071 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:19,229 All yes, but they. The other thing too is maybe six 1072 01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:21,189 months ago ish, something like that. 1073 01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:24,670 Our church had hosted like a women's event and I took my 1074 01:09:24,670 --> 01:09:27,590 stepdaughter to it. And three, there was 3 video 1075 01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:32,510 testimonials from three women and one of them was this woman 1076 01:09:32,910 --> 01:09:35,390 who was going to our church. She was a lesbian. 1077 01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:39,670 She was married and she really actually started reading the 1078 01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:43,270 Bible, got convicted to the point that she felt like she had 1079 01:09:43,270 --> 01:09:46,029 to leave her wife because she realized she was sitting. 1080 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:54,279 And my stepdaughter heard this and the best way I can describe 1081 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,640 her two households are Trump and Hillary Clinton. 1082 01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:03,320 And she heard this and did not understand. 1083 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:09,960 And it proceeded to be an issue with the mom because our church 1084 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,040 does not have an L GB, T alphabet soup person on their 1085 01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,510 board. And recently and mind you she's 1086 01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:19,270 10, 1/2. So like if I want to give 1087 01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:25,150 perspective, we're talking just started 5th grade and she goes, 1088 01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:27,870 she she tells me one day and I guess she had told her dad and 1089 01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:29,910 like I knew but she didn't know that I had known. 1090 01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:36,590 She said she was pansexual and something else and I was like 1091 01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:40,230 what does that mean to you? Because I know what that means 1092 01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:42,550 like as an adult, but as a 10 year old, like what does that 1093 01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:44,470 mean to? You what do you think that is? 1094 01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:47,230 Yeah, right. She's like, well, it means I 1095 01:10:47,230 --> 01:10:52,830 like boys and I like girls. And I said OK and I looked at my 1096 01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:55,430 husband and I said you're not going to like me for a minute 1097 01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:59,030 and he go he whenever I say that he's just. 1098 01:10:59,550 --> 01:11:03,990 Cover your ears, honey. And I look at this little girl 1099 01:11:04,350 --> 01:11:10,090 and I go, are you having sex? And she goes, no, I said, are 1100 01:11:10,090 --> 01:11:13,370 you is is a, is a boys being penis going in your vagina? 1101 01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:15,050 Are you getting naked with something I got? 1102 01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:19,730 Like not pornographic, but like anatomically correct like? 1103 01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:22,130 Are you having sex? Well, no. 1104 01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:24,370 Then, honey, you can't be pansexual because you're not 1105 01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:25,690 having sex. There's in. 1106 01:11:25,690 --> 01:11:29,850 It's in the work. You're actually asexual, right? 1107 01:11:30,610 --> 01:11:34,490 And you're as you should be like I'm so confused and we said 1108 01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:39,020 that's the problem. They're not letting them develop 1109 01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:43,020 to a point where they can actually make that decision. 1110 01:11:43,020 --> 01:11:46,700 And I do feel like some people truly are gay. 1111 01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:50,460 I do feel like some people truly are whatever they are. 1112 01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:52,740 But some of this stuff is insane. 1113 01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:55,500 First of all, like the people that want to marry cars and 1114 01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:59,780 whatever and or or. Kids identifying as a cat so 1115 01:11:59,780 --> 01:12:03,540 they can demand that. I put a litter box in my class, 1116 01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:06,990 right? Even 10 years ago, like, can we 1117 01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:10,470 all acknowledge that correct? And it became popular. 1118 01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:11,870 Why? Because if they can't 1119 01:12:11,870 --> 01:12:14,950 exterminate US1 way, they're going to try to exterminate us 1120 01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:17,070 another. That's what this is. 1121 01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:19,470 And you? Go ahead. 1122 01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:22,830 I remember her, my stepdaughter, coming home last February and 1123 01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:25,670 February's Black Pride Whatever month. 1124 01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:31,710 And the her teacher in school was going on about Black Lives 1125 01:12:31,710 --> 01:12:34,190 Matter and all this other stuff and I picked her up and she 1126 01:12:34,190 --> 01:12:38,060 goes, I'm ashamed to be white. Yeah, that's what they wanted to 1127 01:12:38,060 --> 01:12:42,340 go And Shravel, this teacher, because I'm like, what are you 1128 01:12:42,380 --> 01:12:45,260 doing to these children? She can't help what she is, no 1129 01:12:45,260 --> 01:12:47,660 more than they could help being black in the 50s. 1130 01:12:47,940 --> 01:12:50,340 Well, and that's, that's the thing. 1131 01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:56,700 Because again, disillusionment or the placement by the devil 1132 01:12:57,100 --> 01:13:02,260 that you are not acceptable the way that you are, the way that 1133 01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:05,060 you were created, you have to be. 1134 01:13:05,620 --> 01:13:10,700 Made to feel like you're not, so you can change everything about 1135 01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:14,260 the way that you were created to be something that you're not. 1136 01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:20,580 And so with the devil being the great deceiver, that is why all 1137 01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:23,620 of these things are coming about. 1138 01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:29,940 And they're so easy to break people's psyche to make you 1139 01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:32,740 believe that you have to fit into. 1140 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:37,910 Whatever whatever group they they put forth at that 1141 01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:41,350 particular time, you have to identify with that. 1142 01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:45,550 You can't identify with your with what your true self is. 1143 01:13:46,150 --> 01:13:47,350 But. And they don't even know what 1144 01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:49,950 their true self is? Yeah, they're too little. 1145 01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:53,350 Yeah. And I think a lot of these 1146 01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:59,350 people, the reason that they don't, they can't find their 1147 01:13:59,350 --> 01:14:01,430 identity in Christ because they're going to find it 1148 01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:05,880 somewhere else. And for me, I'm like the root of 1149 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,360 it. For I think I'm going to dare to 1150 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,320 say, everyone, very rarely do I make blanket statements if they 1151 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:20,320 don't want to give up their sin. So if their sin is the Pride 1152 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,160 movement, well, that's because in the Pride movement you can do 1153 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,040 whatever. You can be whatever. 1154 01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:28,640 You can sometimes do drugs, you can sleep with whoever. 1155 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:33,020 There's no accountability. There's no repercussions for 1156 01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:36,740 anything because it's free love. It is the hippie movement of the 1157 01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:39,820 60s on steroids. Oh, on so many. 1158 01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:41,980 Steroids, and it is. It is the birth. 1159 01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:46,300 Control pills, not pill birth with baby killing pills. 1160 01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:49,500 Like, right, They don't have to have like, I talked to the girls 1161 01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:53,820 and I'm like, hey, this whole Plan B thing is, is a Plan B for 1162 01:14:53,820 --> 01:14:56,300 a reason. What was your plan A hello. 1163 01:14:56,620 --> 01:14:59,260 And they're like, Oh well, I'll just get a Plan B and I'm like, 1164 01:14:59,260 --> 01:15:02,800 no, you need. And a like, what's? 1165 01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,840 What's wrong with you people? Like, come on, this was used to 1166 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,840 be a consequence. A natural consequence is you 1167 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,160 could get pregnant if you were just doing whatever and you 1168 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,200 weren't married. Okay. 1169 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:17,240 Well, then what? Now there's not babies involved 1170 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,440 because they don't see them. A baby to them, so. 1171 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,400 I'm like, you gotta be careful with this stuff because someday 1172 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,680 you're gonna really regret all these soul ties you're making. 1173 01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,240 You know, this isn't just about babies and Std's. 1174 01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,520 This is about you're you're gonna take on whatever. 1175 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,560 Whenever you're with someone on that intimate level, you're 1176 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:43,840 taking on pieces and exchanging information there, OK? 1177 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,400 And that. DNA swapping? 1178 01:15:46,940 --> 01:15:51,500 Yeah, DNA swaps and that kind of thing is a dangerous on a whole 1179 01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:53,540 nother level now with the with the shots. 1180 01:15:53,580 --> 01:15:56,780 And B, it's it's dangerous to your brain. 1181 01:15:56,980 --> 01:16:00,100 Like you have no clue what you're doing to yourself right 1182 01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:05,780 now and they never get a chance. There's a reason that people 1183 01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:09,820 used to court and not date, because when you date, you can 1184 01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:12,380 be left alone. You can, and I'm not saying 1185 01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:15,740 like, go super prude and never hold hands or like even hug. 1186 01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:17,490 Like, that's not what I'm trying to say. 1187 01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:23,410 But it's also a fact that when you hug someone, when you kiss 1188 01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:27,290 someone, when you have sex with someone, hormones are released 1189 01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:29,570 in your body that bond you to that person. 1190 01:16:30,210 --> 01:16:32,130 There is a reason we're supposed to wait. 1191 01:16:33,010 --> 01:16:39,330 Like, I wish I had waited like all of these things, but that is 1192 01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:43,220 so countercultural. It's so taboo now to even be 1193 01:16:43,220 --> 01:16:45,420 like you should wait for your husband or your wife. 1194 01:16:45,540 --> 01:16:48,860 Well, and the and The thing is, and you had the nail on the 1195 01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:51,380 head, people don't want to give up their sin, right? 1196 01:16:51,860 --> 01:16:58,020 And so we are so conditioned that instead of searching to 1197 01:16:58,020 --> 01:17:03,620 fill yourself, your body, with the Holy Spirit, which will 1198 01:17:03,620 --> 01:17:07,900 completely fill you up, we are taught that we have to seek 1199 01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:12,520 acceptance and love. Outside of us, outside of 1200 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,800 ourselves, through other people, through other means. 1201 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,000 That's why people get addicted to drugs, people get addicted to 1202 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,480 alcohol, people are sex addicts, porn addicts, whatever, because 1203 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:29,800 they're looking for anything and everything that they can to 1204 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,120 fulfill that void within ourselves, right? 1205 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,720 Or people go through a series of really terrible relationships, 1206 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,170 one right after the other. Because they're looking for 1207 01:17:41,170 --> 01:17:46,010 somebody to fill that missing piece inside of us. 1208 01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:53,010 And so, especially when you have like nowadays, where if you just 1209 01:17:53,010 --> 01:17:59,050 go out and have meaningless casual sex with 600 different 1210 01:17:59,050 --> 01:18:04,530 people in a month, that's supposed to be the new norm and 1211 01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:07,860 acceptable. When that is very 1212 01:18:07,860 --> 01:18:11,860 counterthetical to the Bible, because you are supposed to have 1213 01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:19,540 one person that you are bonded to, where you become one person 1214 01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:23,340 together. It's not meant for us to be 1215 01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:31,140 highly promiscuous, and that's why I like divorce is supposed 1216 01:18:31,140 --> 01:18:34,460 to hurt. Like, like all of these things, 1217 01:18:34,460 --> 01:18:38,280 like, and I'm not saying that there aren't cases where you 1218 01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:40,280 shouldn't get divorced. Actually, I think we've all been 1219 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,240 divorced on this show. Like, so, like, I I want to make 1220 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:44,960 that clear. Like, I'm not saying that you 1221 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,320 should never get divorced. Like, you know, abuse and things 1222 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,400 like that. Like, that's not what I'm 1223 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,880 saying. But it's also, it's not supposed 1224 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,800 to be easy. That's why breakups suck, 1225 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,960 because we give all of ourselves like we're in a marriage and 1226 01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,080 then we're brokenhearted and it's like, why does it hurt so 1227 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,950 much? Because we did something we 1228 01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:06,590 weren't supposed. And because half of you, because 1229 01:19:06,590 --> 01:19:11,070 you're bonded as one person now and so when you split, that 1230 01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:17,290 other half of you is gone. Well, and you're the people are 1231 01:19:17,290 --> 01:19:21,250 so easy to make these ties now. Like, I see much more serious 1232 01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:25,450 relationships as younger kids than I think we had as kids. 1233 01:19:25,450 --> 01:19:28,730 Like, they don't date. I kept asking my son why he's 1234 01:19:28,730 --> 01:19:31,530 15, almost 16. I said why don't you date very 1235 01:19:31,530 --> 01:19:33,930 much? You know, you're not dating, 1236 01:19:33,930 --> 01:19:36,450 you're not out taking girls out or whatever. 1237 01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:39,770 And he said we don't do that unless it's serious. 1238 01:19:39,850 --> 01:19:42,720 And then? Once it's serious, like, then 1239 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,640 you go date and I'm like, that's dumb. 1240 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,920 You don't know the person. Then you're in a serious 1241 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,120 something, whatever you think is serious, and now you're stuck 1242 01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,760 with this person. And then you're going to go 1243 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,920 spend money and he's like, well, that's how they do it. 1244 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,080 And I'm like, that's that's a horrible idea. 1245 01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,880 The whole point of dating is to see if you like this person, 1246 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,240 right? And just and to see what's in 1247 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,280 their heart and not yeah, not just surface level, you need to 1248 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,160 know the deeper meaning of that person's. 1249 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,520 Like, what are they really about? 1250 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,280 Yeah, what are you really about? Is he saying Heidi like there's 1251 01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,640 like group dates and that's how they get to know someone? 1252 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,040 No, they just everything is online either they are talking 1253 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,600 and that's what they call it. That's literally what they call 1254 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,940 like now going steady is. Is not a thing. 1255 01:20:30,940 --> 01:20:33,940 It's either you're talking, which means they're talking on 1256 01:20:33,940 --> 01:20:37,140 the phone, everything's electronic, everything's phone, 1257 01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:39,660 everything's FaceTime, everything's whatever, whatever, 1258 01:20:39,980 --> 01:20:43,340 or they're serious. There's only two things. 1259 01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:47,860 And I'm like, how do you go from talking to serious if you don't 1260 01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:50,820 really spend time with someone And you need to, you need to 1261 01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:53,500 see. That you need to see that 1262 01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:58,740 person's facial expressions and emotions and you need to be in 1263 01:20:58,740 --> 01:21:03,950 that same, that same 6 foot radius and space of that person 1264 01:21:04,510 --> 01:21:07,990 to be able to know if you have that connection or not. 1265 01:21:08,190 --> 01:21:11,710 You're not going to know if you have a true, genuine spark 1266 01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:14,430 unless you are face to face with that person. 1267 01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:17,470 Well, and do some things together like go out. 1268 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,360 And get an ice Creamer. Go out and go to the movies. 1269 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,840 Like, there's none of that anymore. 1270 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,840 I do not see that anymore. He's like, that's so weird. 1271 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,200 You're so weird. And I'm like, no, that's weird. 1272 01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,120 You guys are weird. Like what are you? 1273 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,760 Don't call me weird. I'm like you, weirdo. 1274 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:44,320 So from a nefarious higher world like New World Order thing, 1275 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,820 honestly. Not that I agree with this. 1276 01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:49,980 I guess I need to preface this, it's kind of genius, because 1277 01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:52,900 then you're less likely to get married. 1278 01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:54,900 The birth rate's already plummeting. 1279 01:21:55,460 --> 01:21:58,060 A lot of males are very feminine. 1280 01:21:58,700 --> 01:22:05,020 The testosterone is plummeting, like, and that means there's no 1281 01:22:05,660 --> 01:22:09,220 really a nuclear family. You can have more people in 1282 01:22:09,220 --> 01:22:13,380 separate places. You can tax them more because 1283 01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:15,280 they're. You're not considered married. 1284 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,560 You're not married. Like it's automatically two 1285 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,920 separate things. If they're not married, the 1286 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,600 woman can live off the system like it's genius in a really 1287 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,640 evil way. Well, and think about like all 1288 01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:32,760 the movies like Demolition Man or whatever, where where they 1289 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:37,670 don't literally have sexual contact or physical contact. 1290 01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:42,710 Yeah, they put on a VR headset. Oh yeah, that one Show to Ready 1291 01:22:42,710 --> 01:22:46,310 Player One, same thing. And so that's that's that's 1292 01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:49,750 where our society is going. As soon as they got everybody 1293 01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:53,910 hooked on tech, it's like you don't have to have a 1294 01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:58,490 conversation face to face. You just call them on your cell 1295 01:22:58,490 --> 01:23:02,090 phone. Or the porn FaceTime I'm on your 1296 01:23:02,090 --> 01:23:06,330 iPad or whatever. Like you never have to have in 1297 01:23:06,330 --> 01:23:09,330 person contact. Video. 1298 01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,890 Yeah, video porn or whatever. And they're like, oh, it's 1299 01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:16,330 safer, oh, this is better or whatever. 1300 01:23:16,330 --> 01:23:20,130 And the kids get it so early. And I'm like, This is why I 1301 01:23:20,130 --> 01:23:24,130 refuse to get my daughter. I did with the boys, my son and. 1302 01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,280 And his daughter both had cell phones cuz they were from split 1303 01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,720 families and we wanted to like communicate with them but like 1304 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,720 with our daughter that we have together. 1305 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,000 I'm like absolutely not. Absolutely not. 1306 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:39,960 Like, not until way later. If if for some reason you do 1307 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,360 want to get your kid over a cell phone gab. 1308 01:23:44,530 --> 01:23:45,770 Is a. It's like it looks like a 1309 01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:48,610 smartphone, but like has no Internet access. 1310 01:23:48,730 --> 01:23:51,290 That's what my stepdaughter has. I can recommend Gab. 1311 01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:56,050 And then there's also a phone called Pinwheel that can more 1312 01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:58,730 grow with them. So like you can allow certain 1313 01:23:58,730 --> 01:24:01,810 apps as they get older. Not affiliated with either one, 1314 01:24:02,050 --> 01:24:04,690 but like something like that for your kiddo. 1315 01:24:04,730 --> 01:24:09,450 Gab and pinwheel are the ones that I know of that that has 1316 01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:13,480 like auditoring and like. You can choose who they can send 1317 01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:16,440 video message or like pictures to and things like that. 1318 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:18,080 So that's. Nice. 1319 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:23,280 To try and. And some of the things that they 1320 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,720 do with the pictures, I'm like he told me something about 1321 01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,080 somebody at school and everybody saw this and that because she 1322 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,920 sent this or he sent that. And I've really ingrained my 1323 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,440 son. I'm like, this can be called 1324 01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:36,320 child porn. So you cannot do that. 1325 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,510 Like you cannot. Be involved in this. 1326 01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:40,710 And he's like, I know that everybody does and it And I'm 1327 01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:43,750 like, well, wasn't she, weren't they just dying? 1328 01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:45,790 Weren't they like, so humiliated? 1329 01:24:46,110 --> 01:24:47,750 And he's like, no, everybody does it. 1330 01:24:47,790 --> 01:24:51,510 Everybody's seen everybody's crotch basically now like, I was 1331 01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:53,870 so thrown. I was like, what? 1332 01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:57,050 And he's like, yeah. That's fine. 1333 01:24:57,050 --> 01:25:00,090 That embarrassment factor. Now that things that like we 1334 01:25:00,090 --> 01:25:04,290 wouldn't normally do in public, people are doing it and posting 1335 01:25:04,290 --> 01:25:05,970 it on social media because that's how they become an 1336 01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:07,890 influencer, that's how they become money. 1337 01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:12,690 That's how they get likes like normalizing, debaucherous 1338 01:25:12,690 --> 01:25:16,570 behavior. But that is wild to me even, she 1339 01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:19,700 said. Some stuff isn't even sexual. 1340 01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:22,340 You're making it weird. Like, sometimes we're just 1341 01:25:22,340 --> 01:25:25,620 talking like, guys in a group and then somebody will ask, is 1342 01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:27,300 this normal or that normal? Like that stuff. 1343 01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:31,300 You go to your parents for what is happening and he's like, no 1344 01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:32,940 way. I wouldn't go to my parents for 1345 01:25:32,940 --> 01:25:33,860 that. That's weird. 1346 01:25:33,860 --> 01:25:36,220 And I'm like, well, it's a lot safer than putting it on a 1347 01:25:36,220 --> 01:25:38,060 telephone. I know that. 1348 01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:41,340 You know, I'm like, are you crazy? 1349 01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:44,220 I mean, he's not. But, like, he's been involved in 1350 01:25:44,220 --> 01:25:46,100 this where he's like, guess what happened today? 1351 01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:49,170 And I'm like, whoa. And then it's no big deal to 1352 01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:51,010 him. He's like, thinks I'm like so 1353 01:25:51,010 --> 01:25:54,210 silly for thinking this is so insane and I'm like, what? 1354 01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:59,210 I've heard parents in the, like, every day I get more and more on 1355 01:25:59,210 --> 01:26:00,850 board with this. I want to go live in the middle 1356 01:26:00,850 --> 01:26:04,050 of nowhere. But they're parents mainly of 1357 01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:06,850 like, kids five and younger who have been like, Oh my gosh, 1358 01:26:06,850 --> 01:26:08,730 you're seeing all the stuff that's happening and they're 1359 01:26:08,730 --> 01:26:11,560 like. We're just going to kind of do 1360 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,480 like arranged marriages for our kids because we're all going to 1361 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:16,600 go live in a little group. And not kidding. 1362 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,520 Z and little Johnny grew up and like, we'll just kind of know 1363 01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,680 because we'll know the parents and we'll know the family. 1364 01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,200 We know they haven't done any weird stuff. 1365 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,560 Like, it's terrifying. It's terrifying because even 1366 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,480 like my daughter with her story, my oldest, we were closer than 1367 01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:35,360 anything. And then when I met the guy. 1368 01:26:35,850 --> 01:26:39,250 He seemed great. Like he seemed so good and great 1369 01:26:39,250 --> 01:26:43,770 and like, no, I mean, my oldest daughter is is more accepting. 1370 01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:47,210 My second daughter's really critical of people and she she's 1371 01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:49,370 usually right, though and she's like, I don't like him. 1372 01:26:49,650 --> 01:26:53,050 And it was like within an hour and I was like, calm down over 1373 01:26:53,050 --> 01:26:54,690 there, lady. You don't like anybody. 1374 01:26:54,690 --> 01:26:56,650 That's what I told her. I said you don't like anybody. 1375 01:26:57,140 --> 01:26:59,980 So all of us were like, ooh, he's this, he's a pilot. 1376 01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:02,180 Oh, blah, blah, blah. So great, so great. 1377 01:27:02,180 --> 01:27:04,220 No, not so great. No. 1378 01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:08,460 You know, after three times of meeting him, he took my daughter 1379 01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:11,100 away. And we never saw her again, ever 1380 01:27:11,380 --> 01:27:13,260 again. And it's been four years and she 1381 01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:18,180 has a baby, like. And so now I'm like, yeah, you I 1382 01:27:18,180 --> 01:27:20,820 and I get it with those parents. Like I get it. 1383 01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:25,090 Like, I get wanting to go somewhere and, like, know 1384 01:27:25,090 --> 01:27:28,290 exactly what's going to come at you because it's terrifying. 1385 01:27:28,690 --> 01:27:31,930 I don't know if it's true, but I've heard if you get like 150 1386 01:27:31,930 --> 01:27:34,090 people together, you can create your own city and your own mob. 1387 01:27:34,570 --> 01:27:38,890 I know. Like I'm I'm about at this 1388 01:27:38,890 --> 01:27:42,490 level. I'm always like this is just so 1389 01:27:42,490 --> 01:27:44,690 much. I mean, like they want us to try 1390 01:27:44,690 --> 01:27:47,650 and raise good human beings in this and and I'm like. 1391 01:27:48,250 --> 01:27:51,930 This is so difficult, you know, you try not that some things 1392 01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:54,770 aren't good, but like you don't want them to have dangerous 1393 01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:56,690 things coming towards them, you know? 1394 01:27:56,690 --> 01:27:59,530 And it just seems like it's one thing after another constantly. 1395 01:27:59,770 --> 01:28:04,210 But so I'm not, since they've normalized like, all of this 1396 01:28:04,210 --> 01:28:07,050 behavior, right? And this is what kids are 1397 01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:12,690 expected to act like and do, which again is counterthetical 1398 01:28:12,690 --> 01:28:19,990 to biblical teachings. As a parent, it makes it even 1399 01:28:20,030 --> 01:28:24,830 that much more important for you to guide them. 1400 01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:30,150 And trust me when I say they are going to fight back against you 1401 01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:35,830 for trying to instill in them values on the way things are 1402 01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:42,230 supposed to be. Heard the I'm pretty sure it's a 1403 01:28:42,230 --> 01:28:46,750 Bible verse, but you know. Basically the the idea of like, 1404 01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:49,470 raising children the time or raising children to be dragon 1405 01:28:49,670 --> 01:28:51,910 slayers or raising the children for a time such as this, like 1406 01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:55,390 you were meant to and like that kind of resonated with me. 1407 01:28:55,390 --> 01:29:01,230 But I was also like, yeah, but then I heard this, someone had 1408 01:29:01,230 --> 01:29:02,870 posted this, and it's not from the Bible. 1409 01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:05,910 However, it hits me hard every time I think about it and every 1410 01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:07,950 time I'm going through a tough moment, this is what I tell 1411 01:29:07,950 --> 01:29:11,790 myself. You can't protect your child or 1412 01:29:11,790 --> 01:29:16,360 yourself from their testimony. And I was like the first time I 1413 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,200 heard it, I was like, I really don't like that and I don't like 1414 01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:21,560 it cuz it's true. So. 1415 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,760 Right, right. It's hard because at one some 1416 01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,800 point you do have to breathe and let go. 1417 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,240 And sometimes they're going like and and honestly like, it's been 1418 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:35,040 really sad for my daughter, cuz like the youngest one, she's 1419 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,200 little still. She's not even 10. 1420 01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:40,750 And she was on YouTube and she came to me hysterical. 1421 01:29:40,750 --> 01:29:43,670 And she's like, I like a girl. But I didn't know it was a girl. 1422 01:29:43,670 --> 01:29:45,670 I thought it was a boy. It looks like a boy. 1423 01:29:45,670 --> 01:29:49,190 I thought this was a boy like I. And she's like having a 1424 01:29:49,190 --> 01:29:52,910 breakdown over this. And I'm like, I know it's hard 1425 01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:56,910 sometimes to tell, but I know that it's OK, You know? 1426 01:29:56,910 --> 01:29:58,950 Just it's OK. I know you like boys. 1427 01:29:58,950 --> 01:30:02,220 You thought that was a boy like? She knows our other daughters 1428 01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:04,020 gay. Like, I mean, we there's no 1429 01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:08,060 hiding certain things, you know. And so she said, but I'm not, 1430 01:30:08,060 --> 01:30:10,340 I'm not gay. I think she's got a weird thing 1431 01:30:10,340 --> 01:30:14,140 about it now because that situation she's like, I but I 1432 01:30:14,140 --> 01:30:16,580 like boys. I'm like, no, I I know, honey. 1433 01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:19,260 Like, it's fine. You know, you're you didn't do 1434 01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:21,420 anything wrong. And so now you're fighting 1435 01:30:21,420 --> 01:30:25,300 against not only that but like Ellie said before, confusion. 1436 01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:28,060 It's constant confusion, just like your daughter. 1437 01:30:28,540 --> 01:30:30,900 Thought that was pansexual, which isn't pansexual. 1438 01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:33,940 That's actually bisexual, but not any of it's sexual at all. 1439 01:30:33,940 --> 01:30:38,020 She's asexual. So like you you have to like, go 1440 01:30:38,020 --> 01:30:41,300 and you you don't want to have these conversations because all 1441 01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:44,140 of it's crap, it's bull crap anyway. 1442 01:30:44,180 --> 01:30:47,220 It's it's like, I get that sometimes boys like boys and 1443 01:30:47,220 --> 01:30:49,820 girls like girls, but the rest of it's pretty abnormal. 1444 01:30:49,980 --> 01:30:52,580 I mean, the rest of it's up on par with like. 1445 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,800 Bestiality in some points, you know, like, yeah, it's crazy to 1446 01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,560 me. And I'm not, I'm not having that 1447 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,040 conversation with a 10 year old and I don't want anybody else to 1448 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,320 either, you know? Yeah. 1449 01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,640 And you certainly don't want teachers at school to take over 1450 01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:13,400 that. And they're so parental. 1451 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,680 Goes back to that big old confusion like I get why she's 1452 01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,800 confused. I get why they're all confused. 1453 01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,210 I get it. And let alone whatever they're 1454 01:31:22,210 --> 01:31:25,890 putting in, you know, the food and the water and the that's a 1455 01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:29,250 whole another thing, you know, like you don't even know. 1456 01:31:29,410 --> 01:31:32,050 So it's a it's a really strange time. 1457 01:31:32,210 --> 01:31:36,130 I think we just have to really pray all the time and do our 1458 01:31:36,130 --> 01:31:38,610 best. But even then sometimes it's not 1459 01:31:38,930 --> 01:31:40,570 not what we think it should be like. 1460 01:31:40,570 --> 01:31:43,490 I do not think my daughter should be alienating her whole 1461 01:31:43,490 --> 01:31:46,290 family because her husband said it's leave and Cleve and she 1462 01:31:46,290 --> 01:31:49,590 never talked to anyone again. Like, that's pretty not OK with 1463 01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:52,470 me, you know? But he's that Bible honor. 1464 01:31:52,630 --> 01:31:58,310 And so it worked, right? And now he doesn't have to worry 1465 01:31:58,310 --> 01:32:00,750 about her flying out here halfway across the country 1466 01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:03,270 because that was probably the whole point, you know? 1467 01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:06,750 I mean, I'm. I don't know it's a control 1468 01:32:06,750 --> 01:32:10,110 mechanism. Yeah, yeah, because the flights 1469 01:32:10,110 --> 01:32:13,630 are free for him. So it's not about money, you 1470 01:32:13,630 --> 01:32:15,790 know? No, it's about it's about 1471 01:32:15,790 --> 01:32:22,600 control and keeping her in that very small acceptable bubble 1472 01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,880 where there is no outside interference. 1473 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,720 The only interaction can be with him. 1474 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,160 And his family and his people. And his He deems. 1475 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:36,600 Yeah, he deems. OK. 1476 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,920 Because he flat told my mom after the last conversation when 1477 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,980 lightning struck her house. Right in the middle of us 1478 01:32:43,980 --> 01:32:46,540 talking about this situation, lightning struck her house. 1479 01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:49,420 Like, that would wake me up, but I guess it's not going to wake 1480 01:32:49,420 --> 01:32:52,060 them up. But anyway, whatever. 1481 01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:54,060 All I said to her was I loved her. 1482 01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:55,940 I would always love her. I would always be here. 1483 01:32:56,060 --> 01:32:58,660 And the baby was beautiful and I hope that they were all OK. 1484 01:32:58,660 --> 01:33:01,580 And and then he completely freaked out about that. 1485 01:33:01,580 --> 01:33:04,860 And I'm like, how do you completely freak out when that 1486 01:33:04,860 --> 01:33:07,580 wasn't? I didn't say anything bad, you 1487 01:33:07,580 --> 01:33:09,540 know? But he doesn't want her to know. 1488 01:33:09,540 --> 01:33:11,700 There's another way. Like oh. 1489 01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:15,590 You are still loved. You do still have family. 1490 01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:20,030 You do still have people that 100% love you, you know? 1491 01:33:20,670 --> 01:33:24,790 But that's just the way it is. I mean, I have to wait till God 1492 01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:28,630 intervenes on that one because I feel so tight on that. 1493 01:33:28,670 --> 01:33:30,590 You know, like what do you do with it? 1494 01:33:30,990 --> 01:33:36,230 Well, and you know, there's a a Bible verse that's very perfect 1495 01:33:36,230 --> 01:33:39,870 for that. It's from Romans 5 and it talks 1496 01:33:39,870 --> 01:33:43,430 about we glory in our sufferings because we know that suffering 1497 01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:48,230 produces perseverance, perseverance, character and 1498 01:33:48,230 --> 01:33:51,870 character. Hope and hope does not put us to 1499 01:33:51,870 --> 01:33:56,150 shame because God's love has been poured out into our hearts 1500 01:33:56,150 --> 01:33:59,110 for the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. 1501 01:33:59,550 --> 01:34:04,550 And so a lot of people who are going through struggles, 1502 01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:12,430 suffering, stuff like that, even when you fully accept God into 1503 01:34:12,430 --> 01:34:17,270 your life, it doesn't mean you won't have storms or struggles. 1504 01:34:18,430 --> 01:34:22,110 It just means that you will definitely be able to weather 1505 01:34:22,110 --> 01:34:24,710 them and come out the other side of stronger person. 1506 01:34:26,150 --> 01:34:30,230 And so I think a lot of people don't think about that as well. 1507 01:34:31,150 --> 01:34:34,030 They think that you know once you're once you're saved and you 1508 01:34:34,030 --> 01:34:37,760 accept God that like everything will be sunshine and rainbows 1509 01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,440 and unicorns flying out your butt. 1510 01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,560 That's not true. Not true at all. 1511 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,560 That is the time that you will go through probably more 1512 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:52,480 struggles than you've ever experienced because it is a not 1513 01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:59,320 only a testament to your faith, but a testament like that quote 1514 01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,400 says from the Bible, but also your perseverance. 1515 01:35:02,980 --> 01:35:05,580 Like how are you going to weather this? 1516 01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:08,180 Are you going to weather this? Are you going to give up your 1517 01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:12,540 faith because things got difficult or hard so? 1518 01:35:13,060 --> 01:35:17,020 Are you going to let say no? No. 1519 01:35:17,300 --> 01:35:18,900 No, you're not. No, I'm not that. 1520 01:35:18,900 --> 01:35:20,420 I didn't have to pause on that one. 1521 01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:24,460 I always go back to Job. I always think of Job because he 1522 01:35:24,460 --> 01:35:27,060 lost. And I always tell myself in that 1523 01:35:27,060 --> 01:35:29,780 particular situation with my daughter, he lost all of his 1524 01:35:29,780 --> 01:35:31,620 children in one day, not just one. 1525 01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:34,840 And I didn't lose all of my children, you know? 1526 01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:38,160 And so I find myself lucky. I've got a fly that's going to 1527 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,800 be irritating. I keep seeing one here too, so 1528 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,320 I'm like, you'll have that and flies. 1529 01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:47,600 And flies, Yeah. And so I keep thinking to 1530 01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,720 myself, like, well, at least even though he was, you know, 1531 01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,680 they always talk about, oh, well, he was restored. 1532 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:57,000 But honestly, he probably still suffered the rest of his life. 1533 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,720 Because you cannot replace a child with another child. 1534 01:36:00,150 --> 01:36:03,150 That child is always different. And so they don't ever talk 1535 01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:05,670 about that part. But as mothers, we kind of get 1536 01:36:05,670 --> 01:36:08,230 that, like those children were gone. 1537 01:36:08,230 --> 01:36:10,790 And yes, he'll be reunited with them one day, but like, he's 1538 01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:12,910 still lost them for now, you know. 1539 01:36:12,910 --> 01:36:18,110 So I just have to wait, like, and it and it's always like, do 1540 01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:20,190 you, do you not wait? Do you show up and be a crazy 1541 01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:22,190 person? Do you like just go to their 1542 01:36:22,190 --> 01:36:24,450 house and be like? Get arrested. 1543 01:36:24,450 --> 01:36:26,650 Like, what do you do with that? Like people are like, Oh yeah, 1544 01:36:26,650 --> 01:36:28,370 if I were you, I would just fly right out there. 1545 01:36:28,370 --> 01:36:32,050 I'm like, would you though, like, you know, I mean, it's 1546 01:36:32,050 --> 01:36:35,250 that's a freaking tightrope there, you know? 1547 01:36:35,290 --> 01:36:38,650 Yeah, because then you would have a police record and then 1548 01:36:38,650 --> 01:36:43,930 he'd be like, see, see and use that, use that against you as 1549 01:36:43,970 --> 01:36:47,290 well and so. While I I'm going to preface 1550 01:36:47,290 --> 01:36:51,890 this with I absolutely think you have every reason to go out 1551 01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:53,170 there. Right. 1552 01:36:54,030 --> 01:36:56,670 The way I can see him spinning, it is something that I mentioned 1553 01:36:56,670 --> 01:36:59,870 earlier, that they're married, you're supposed to basically 1554 01:36:59,870 --> 01:37:03,710 stay out of their marriage. And not that I agree with him in 1555 01:37:03,710 --> 01:37:08,950 that case, but that's what I find a lot of people who claim 1556 01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:10,350 to be Christian who aren't really Christian. 1557 01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:11,670 That's what they do. They're just like saying they 1558 01:37:11,710 --> 01:37:13,790 twist. They take a Bible verse and they 1559 01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:16,310 twist and they take it out of context. 1560 01:37:16,750 --> 01:37:19,190 And he used it on her. And I get that it worked. 1561 01:37:19,190 --> 01:37:20,830 She was in a vulnerable state when. 1562 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,480 He met her. She was, you know, already 1563 01:37:23,480 --> 01:37:26,880 coming out of, like a rape. Like she was already in a bad 1564 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,520 situation. Shit. 1565 01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,560 Mentally, like mentally, she wasn't. 1566 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,080 OK. I think he saw that. 1567 01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,520 I think he's a predator. I think she was his prey. 1568 01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,120 She feels very protected and loved by him. 1569 01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,880 He makes her feel that way. He builds this little dollhouse 1570 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,000 and puts my little doll in there. 1571 01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,080 And I feel like someday that's gonna get tiresome, you know? 1572 01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,160 I don't know that we can live that way forever, but if she 1573 01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,360 chooses, like he can't keep her from me forever because she God 1574 01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,880 gave her to me and she is mine and what we have, we will have 1575 01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,080 in the end. So even if he keeps her for me 1576 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,760 all the days of my life, which he has told everyone that I am 1577 01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,760 dead to them and I will never see her again. 1578 01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,040 And I don't know how you do that to somebody because I know how 1579 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,240 close we were and you are hurting her and if you really 1580 01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:15,920 loved her, you wouldn't do that to her. 1581 01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:20,270 That's not Okay. You know but like I said there's 1582 01:38:20,270 --> 01:38:23,390 only so much feet I'm willing to step on because I already, I 1583 01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:25,030 already threw that fit in the first. 1584 01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:28,550 I mean I'm a very strong personality and I already did 1585 01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:29,910 the whole. I can't believe this. 1586 01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:31,670 I can't believe you. What are you doing? 1587 01:38:31,670 --> 01:38:34,950 Like really sassy mouth because I just assumes my daughter would 1588 01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:37,190 back me and she did not you know. 1589 01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:40,270 So you got to step back and say okay. 1590 01:38:40,270 --> 01:38:44,190 Well, that that definitely didn't that backfired, you know? 1591 01:38:44,830 --> 01:38:47,550 And then you get angry. You go through all those same 1592 01:38:47,550 --> 01:38:50,110 stages of grief that I went with. 1593 01:38:50,350 --> 01:38:52,710 My brother. And honestly, I think it was 1594 01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:54,350 easier. And me and my mom talk about 1595 01:38:54,350 --> 01:38:56,430 that and she's like, yeah, I couldn't. 1596 01:38:56,950 --> 01:39:00,590 Yours is harder because at least I know he didn't have a choice. 1597 01:39:01,110 --> 01:39:04,790 He's just gone, you know, she has a choice. 1598 01:39:04,990 --> 01:39:07,390 Maybe it's a hard choice that she could come and see her 1599 01:39:07,390 --> 01:39:09,590 family. I mean, if she chose to. 1600 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,000 And I get that he probably makes that difficult. 1601 01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,280 I don't really know. I don't know their life. 1602 01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,320 Maybe she just doesn't want to, Who knows, you know? 1603 01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,680 She says. I'm this toxic, horrible person 1604 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,760 now. But it I find it hilarious since 1605 01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:27,160 that was never the way before, you know, it's been ingrained to 1606 01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:34,200 her and and that's like it's so easy for for people, for their 1607 01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:42,960 emotions to be manipulated and twisted into molding somebody 1608 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:47,320 into something that they're not or thoughts and things that they 1609 01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:52,440 don't normally. Accept, yeah and or accept and 1610 01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,960 and guess who he used to help him do it? 1611 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,560 His friend, the pastor, was the one that helped her 1612 01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,280 psychologically with her psychological counseling and all 1613 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,120 I kept saying as a psych nurse was. 1614 01:40:03,470 --> 01:40:07,430 Is this person even licensed to do what you're doing with them? 1615 01:40:07,950 --> 01:40:12,350 And then it became I was the problem and I am the problem and 1616 01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:16,230 and that's all it is. Like you're being intrusive. 1617 01:40:16,230 --> 01:40:19,510 You're saying he's not a good person, you don't know him. 1618 01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:23,510 No, all those things are true. But also, I don't think that 1619 01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:26,350 somebody that's already vulnerable should be counseled 1620 01:40:26,350 --> 01:40:30,780 by anyone except a licensed professional because of that, 1621 01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:34,620 you know, And then you can go to your pastor after the fact 1622 01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:38,620 because if she's really at that point in her mind, like she 1623 01:40:38,620 --> 01:40:42,500 wasn't, well, you know, And so it's easy to manipulate. 1624 01:40:42,660 --> 01:40:46,180 I mean, it was a friend. Even sometimes, though, with 1625 01:40:46,260 --> 01:40:49,420 with licensed professionals, yeah. 1626 01:40:51,380 --> 01:40:56,380 The manipulation that goes on is is staggering. 1627 01:40:56,730 --> 01:41:03,210 And one thing you know, we're talking about like the devil 1628 01:41:03,210 --> 01:41:09,330 interfering basically and and changing your your mindset, 1629 01:41:09,730 --> 01:41:13,930 right? It is so important for anybody 1630 01:41:13,930 --> 01:41:18,650 and everybody that is struggling with literally anything, whether 1631 01:41:18,650 --> 01:41:24,770 it's anxiety, depression, alcoholism, drug addiction, 1632 01:41:24,770 --> 01:41:29,420 whatever it is. You have to get your mind right 1633 01:41:29,420 --> 01:41:37,020 first before you can expect anything else to change in your 1634 01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:40,060 life. Because if you're still, like 1635 01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:42,820 Ellie talked about earlier, people not wanting to give up 1636 01:41:42,820 --> 01:41:46,780 their sin. If you are an addict and you 1637 01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:51,260 refuse to give up that addiction, but you're you're 1638 01:41:51,260 --> 01:41:53,820 upset because your life is not improving. 1639 01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:57,230 It is not changing. You've got to change your mind 1640 01:41:57,230 --> 01:41:59,710 first, because nothing else will matter. 1641 01:41:59,710 --> 01:42:03,230 If you don't, well, it's like going to war without a gun. 1642 01:42:03,950 --> 01:42:07,550 I mean, you know, like, why would you do that with the whole 1643 01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:10,510 army of people with guns, so? Yeah. 1644 01:42:11,070 --> 01:42:16,150 The realization I had Janet, as you were saying that is a lot of 1645 01:42:16,150 --> 01:42:21,310 people the woke, I guess they're very big on this whole victim 1646 01:42:21,310 --> 01:42:25,960 mentality and. If you give your victim 1647 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,560 mentality, then who are you? Right. 1648 01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,000 You're nothing without that victim identity, right? 1649 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:37,760 Because the the devil told you so, the powers that be told you 1650 01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:43,320 so that you always have to be a victim or you're just a 1651 01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:46,920 faceless, nameless nothing. Well then it makes it also easy 1652 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,560 for them to control you, because how could she ever come back to 1653 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,640 me? Because I'm a horrible, 1654 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,440 narcissistic, terrible parent that apparently abused her. 1655 01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,720 So how would she ever have me come back around? 1656 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,480 And then who meets me or whatever is like, Oh no, she's 1657 01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,400 fine, she seems normal, oh blah blah blah. 1658 01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,250 And then how do you rationalize that in your mind? 1659 01:43:08,250 --> 01:43:10,770 If you've used that as your crutch, like it could be 1660 01:43:10,770 --> 01:43:12,570 anything. But in this particular 1661 01:43:12,570 --> 01:43:16,770 situation, if you use that as your crutch to cover up whatever 1662 01:43:16,770 --> 01:43:19,170 you're doing to make yourself feel better about what you're 1663 01:43:19,170 --> 01:43:21,730 doing, then you're always going to use that. 1664 01:43:21,770 --> 01:43:26,850 It doesn't matter a substance or a person or your past. 1665 01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:29,290 I could use my past every day of the week. 1666 01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:32,430 My past is horrific. I've discussed it often. 1667 01:43:32,710 --> 01:43:37,270 My past I have every reason to be on a corner, selling my body 1668 01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:40,390 and snorting crack. Like every reason Okay. 1669 01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:42,070 But I don't. Why? 1670 01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:44,990 Because I would rather help people out of the situation that 1671 01:43:44,990 --> 01:43:49,110 I myself overcame. Why would I want to go backward? 1672 01:43:49,230 --> 01:43:51,470 Like, why would I live in that mess? 1673 01:43:51,470 --> 01:43:55,430 That mess wasn't me. You know, and that's The thing 1674 01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:59,640 is. That you can use your testimony 1675 01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:04,440 of your life and your story and what happened with you to be 1676 01:44:04,440 --> 01:44:09,840 able to affect change and make change or even plant the seed of 1677 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,800 change for somebody else. And I literally think that is 1678 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:20,320 our sole purpose in life. It's to basically pay that 1679 01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:24,600 forward that we came out of struggles, hard times, whatever. 1680 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:28,990 Like. Talking to somebody about coming 1681 01:44:28,990 --> 01:44:33,110 on the show, and this was a perfect example, and I hear this 1682 01:44:33,110 --> 01:44:36,870 from people a lot of times, when I reach out to have them come 1683 01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:41,790 on, their response is always there's nothing interesting 1684 01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:47,630 about me and about my life. I don't have anything to add and 1685 01:44:47,630 --> 01:44:52,150 I will guarantee you every single one of those people that 1686 01:44:52,150 --> 01:44:57,590 I have talked to on a show. Has had the most interesting 1687 01:44:57,590 --> 01:45:02,230 stories about things that have probably made a huge difference. 1688 01:45:02,270 --> 01:45:05,590 Yeah, probably helped. They were always just people who 1689 01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:09,150 were made to feel that they were nobody. 1690 01:45:09,230 --> 01:45:15,590 They were nothing special and you know, conform, conform in 1691 01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:18,950 the society and the different groups and labels that we put 1692 01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:21,470 you in or you're nothing special. 1693 01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:24,750 And that's not true because everybody has a story. 1694 01:45:24,750 --> 01:45:29,430 Everybody has things they've been through or experiences that 1695 01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:32,310 they've had. Or, you know, whatever the case 1696 01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:35,830 may be, God made you the way that he made you for a reason, 1697 01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:40,990 and things happen to you for a reason so that you can turn 1698 01:45:40,990 --> 01:45:44,230 around and talk about it. I agree. 1699 01:45:44,670 --> 01:45:47,510 I totally agree with that. And it's sad that people think 1700 01:45:47,950 --> 01:45:51,470 just because you were raised some sort of way doesn't mean 1701 01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:55,280 you don't have anything to help or share. 1702 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,040 Even even my husband, he was not raised any of those sorts of 1703 01:45:58,040 --> 01:45:59,560 way. He he was loved. 1704 01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:01,360 He was cared for. His parents are great. 1705 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,720 I always say Beaver Cleaver because that everybody can 1706 01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:08,200 relate to Beaver Cleaver, but like also he still he still has 1707 01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:11,240 abandonment feelings because he left the church. 1708 01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,920 He still has I don't fit in because I'm not like you. 1709 01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,000 I still feels like these kind of ways. 1710 01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,480 And sometimes we'll say different things that are more 1711 01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:21,960 meaningful right then maybe my huge story that was like and 1712 01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,320 then blah blah blah and all this big stuff. 1713 01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,400 But sometimes for other people, that doesn't relate. 1714 01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:30,650 You know, maybe for somebody that had a bad, bad story like 1715 01:46:30,650 --> 01:46:33,730 mine, they can relate. But somebody that's more normal 1716 01:46:33,730 --> 01:46:37,050 story maybe will relate much better to his story, you know, 1717 01:46:37,490 --> 01:46:41,210 That's why we all have to. We're supposed to have human 1718 01:46:41,210 --> 01:46:43,930 connection. Why do babies not do well when 1719 01:46:43,930 --> 01:46:47,570 you stick them in a crib in a orphanage and don't touch them? 1720 01:46:47,850 --> 01:46:50,250 They they literally become so strange. 1721 01:46:50,250 --> 01:46:52,570 I mean, the Unabomber, this happened to the Unabomber. 1722 01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:55,530 He got hurt and then he had some big, huge thing. 1723 01:46:55,530 --> 01:46:59,030 I think he got a burn and then his mom couldn't touch him for 1724 01:46:59,030 --> 01:47:01,950 so many weeks and it was like almost a couple months. 1725 01:47:01,950 --> 01:47:04,550 And then he was never the same. Afterward, he was never the 1726 01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:06,550 same. They said that he didn't process 1727 01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:10,030 things as well, even though he was super smart, you know, he 1728 01:47:10,030 --> 01:47:12,070 was never the same again, as mother said. 1729 01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:16,390 And that that goes to show you the damage that it can cause by 1730 01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:18,890 not interacting with other people. 1731 01:47:18,890 --> 01:47:21,970 And so many people hole up in their room, play video games, 1732 01:47:21,970 --> 01:47:24,810 smoke weed and never come out. And I'm like this is not what 1733 01:47:24,810 --> 01:47:27,650 God wanted you to do. Like I'm not saying it doesn't 1734 01:47:27,650 --> 01:47:30,610 have its place. I'm not saying that medicinally 1735 01:47:30,610 --> 01:47:34,410 some things aren't helpful. I'm not saying I'm not saying 1736 01:47:34,410 --> 01:47:37,010 any of that. I'm just saying this isn't what 1737 01:47:37,010 --> 01:47:39,730 God probably planned for you and you probably can't even hear it 1738 01:47:39,730 --> 01:47:43,250 because you're so involved in whatever you're involved in or 1739 01:47:43,250 --> 01:47:46,640 you're so damn self-centered that all you care about. 1740 01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,960 And I like to look nice, but by golly, if it comes down to my 1741 01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,680 kids needing me for something or me missing the gym that day, 1742 01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,360 that's just how it's going to be. 1743 01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,040 You know, I'm not going to go and do that. 1744 01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,320 I'm going to take care of the kids that need me because it's 1745 01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:06,200 just it's silly to me. But you see these moms now and 1746 01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:10,200 you're like, OK, you know, like they're just their little 1747 01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:14,670 extension of themselves that, you know, with their LV purse 1748 01:48:14,670 --> 01:48:18,990 and their, you know, whatever, it just, and I like to look 1749 01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:22,390 nice, like I said. But come on, that's not real. 1750 01:48:23,070 --> 01:48:26,510 That's not real. Like, if you have to have that 1751 01:48:26,830 --> 01:48:30,310 because you don't feel important without it, that's ridiculous. 1752 01:48:30,350 --> 01:48:33,910 If you like it because you like it, then cool, you know? 1753 01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:37,350 But like, if you really sincerely think you are that 1754 01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:40,310 $3000 or $5000 bag, good for you. 1755 01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:43,100 Like that's so stupid waste of money to me. 1756 01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:45,060 I'd rather go somewhere you know. 1757 01:48:45,820 --> 01:48:48,820 But if. I can do a lot with that with 1758 01:48:48,820 --> 01:48:49,380 that. Money. 1759 01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:52,060 Do you know Robin with garden how many chickens I could have 1760 01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:53,060 with that? Money, right? 1761 01:48:53,260 --> 01:48:57,180 It was just, That's so funny. We think exactly alike because I 1762 01:48:57,180 --> 01:48:59,500 was sitting there thinking, I wonder how many animals I could 1763 01:48:59,580 --> 01:49:01,920 fly foot in our farm. Right. 1764 01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:06,480 And I'm just thinking, man, that's like a vacation. 1765 01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:09,320 That's like, I mean, that's something fun, you know, I could 1766 01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:12,200 take my kids here, go do this or whatever. 1767 01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,880 And I'm just like, to me, like I could have a bigger house. 1768 01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,240 Like everyone in our family, they all have nicer houses. 1769 01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,600 And they got a pool and they got this and they got that. 1770 01:49:22,020 --> 01:49:23,900 And my husband's, like, what are we going to do? 1771 01:49:23,940 --> 01:49:27,100 Like, do you want to upgrade? I'm like, are you insane? 1772 01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:29,260 No. I don't even want to be home 1773 01:49:29,260 --> 01:49:32,060 except for the grandparent part. When we retire, like the 1774 01:49:32,060 --> 01:49:35,100 grandparent part, I'm down for, like, if they need me home to 1775 01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:38,140 watch kids, but otherwise, I don't even want to be home. 1776 01:49:38,180 --> 01:49:40,180 Why? Let's go explore. 1777 01:49:40,180 --> 01:49:42,740 Let's go see the world. Let's go do things, You know? 1778 01:49:43,260 --> 01:49:45,380 I mean, I. I'm the opposite. 1779 01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:48,020 I just. I like my sons like that. 1780 01:49:48,060 --> 01:49:51,020 My son, he's like, I want to crochet and stay home, yeah. 1781 01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:57,290 I I I'm a great crochet. There's a someone I follow 1782 01:49:57,290 --> 01:50:01,130 online and she's late 20s, early 30s, and she's like, I'm part of 1783 01:50:01,130 --> 01:50:04,930 the grainy gang and just all the things that like the old 1784 01:50:04,930 --> 01:50:06,850 grandmas do and I'm like, that is me. 1785 01:50:07,610 --> 01:50:14,050 And it's funny because, like, at my age, like the perfect gift is 1786 01:50:14,050 --> 01:50:18,170 something I can use at home, like a kitchen gadget or 1787 01:50:18,170 --> 01:50:20,210 something. And other people what like? 1788 01:50:20,690 --> 01:50:23,290 You know, video games or whatever. 1789 01:50:23,570 --> 01:50:26,130 And I'm just like Nope. Anything I can use practical 1790 01:50:26,130 --> 01:50:29,410 wise around the house? I could get two freeze dryers 1791 01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:32,880 with that kind of money. It's so weird to me. 1792 01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,960 I'm like, okay, that's cool. Like I have a niceish purse, but 1793 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:40,520 I don't have a $3000 purse. That's wild. 1794 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,040 To me, yeah, I don't. I don't need anything like that 1795 01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:48,960 because frankly, I don't care. And I don't care about the 1796 01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:54,160 vanity and I don't care about what people think, which is a 1797 01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:57,440 beautiful segue to end the show because. 1798 01:50:57,780 --> 01:51:03,060 Talking about vanity and and selfishness and whatever, so 1799 01:51:03,580 --> 01:51:09,060 Philippians 2-3 do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain 1800 01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:13,820 conceit. Rather, in humility value others 1801 01:51:13,820 --> 01:51:20,020 above yourselves. So take that $3000 that you 1802 01:51:20,020 --> 01:51:25,260 would have spent on that purse and pay it forward to somebody 1803 01:51:25,260 --> 01:51:29,150 who could really use. That money, you don't have to 1804 01:51:29,150 --> 01:51:34,030 give it to a charity, but do something to to pay it forward 1805 01:51:34,030 --> 01:51:38,350 and be appreciative of the things in your world that God 1806 01:51:38,350 --> 01:51:40,670 gives you, just like my eagle today. 1807 01:51:40,670 --> 01:51:46,110 Thank you again, God for doing that, because that was beautiful 1808 01:51:46,710 --> 01:51:51,230 and it meant more to me than any $3000 purse ever could. 1809 01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:56,190 So ladies, where can people find you at? 1810 01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:59,330 You wanna go first? Hiding? 1811 01:51:59,330 --> 01:52:02,170 Either way, I'm at Unfiltered Rise on everything. 1812 01:52:02,170 --> 01:52:07,290 I'm at Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, All the Places. 1813 01:52:07,890 --> 01:52:11,130 Unfiltered Rise Podcast. Miss Ellie. 1814 01:52:12,210 --> 01:52:16,610 You can find my Instagram at One Thumb LONE Thumb El. 1815 01:52:18,590 --> 01:52:21,110 On YouTube by the same name. I'm mainly just doing my fan 1816 01:52:21,110 --> 01:52:22,550 approved Friday videos right now. 1817 01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:26,430 I did have 60 some episodes on the Speed Bumps podcast. 1818 01:52:26,430 --> 01:52:30,510 That was mine and that is, I don't want to say gone forever, 1819 01:52:30,510 --> 01:52:33,030 but it's put on hold for the foreseeable future. 1820 01:52:33,070 --> 01:52:34,670 But you can definitely go check that out if you want to. 1821 01:52:35,470 --> 01:52:40,470 Because again, she's working on a much higher calling project 1822 01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:43,790 and let me tell you, it's a very important one, so. 1823 01:52:44,300 --> 01:52:46,500 And I'm just not ready to talk about it publicly, which is why 1824 01:52:46,700 --> 01:52:50,380 it's kind of secretive. And I appreciate that that 1825 01:52:50,380 --> 01:52:51,580 secretive. Secretive is bad. 1826 01:52:52,300 --> 01:52:55,340 We're holding out until the right time because this is the 1827 01:52:55,340 --> 01:52:57,580 difference. Because if your kids are always 1828 01:52:57,580 --> 01:52:59,860 asked what's the difference between a secret and a surprise? 1829 01:53:00,260 --> 01:53:01,500 Kind of like a stranger danger thing. 1830 01:53:02,020 --> 01:53:04,500 A secret is something that is never to be told. 1831 01:53:04,540 --> 01:53:07,220 A surprise is something that will eventually be told that a 1832 01:53:07,220 --> 01:53:09,420 Christmas present or a birthday present or a party. 1833 01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:11,980 So surprises are okay, secrets are not. 1834 01:53:12,140 --> 01:53:13,540 It'll be a surprise in the future. 1835 01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:14,950 Correct. Yes. 1836 01:53:15,230 --> 01:53:18,110 That'll be awesome. And it's a it's a fantastic 1837 01:53:18,110 --> 01:53:21,230 thing that's in the work. So there you go. 1838 01:53:21,470 --> 01:53:27,670 I'm super stoked for it. So for me, for Miss Ellie and 1839 01:53:27,670 --> 01:53:30,870 for Miss Heidi, thank you so much for living and listening. 1840 01:53:31,150 --> 01:53:35,630 Thank you for giving us your patience and and whatnot and 1841 01:53:36,710 --> 01:53:43,150 suffering through the allergies. No tears for Shed in the making, 1842 01:53:46,110 --> 01:53:49,630 so have a good one guys, and we'll see you next time.