1 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,480 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of The 2 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Unfiltered Rise and the 6th Century Podcast because it's 3 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,960 both of ours today and we are doing another collaboration, 4 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,200 which I just love because me and Tim, we get on things and we 5 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,800 think the same and it's fun. Or even if it's different, it's 6 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,200 always fun. So Tim, how you doing today? 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Hey, I'm good. Thanks for introducing. 8 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:45,360 Me. Oh, glad you team. 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,320 I want to just by hand of you and I'm just going to introduce 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,120 you. We're you can figure it out. 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,160 No. Yeah. 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Well, here with me today and I wasn't prepared to give this 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160 introduction, but my friend Heidi Love from the Infiltered 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Rise podcast. Heidi, how are you doing today? 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,040 I am great because I am here with you and we always have a 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,600 fun time talking and all my kids are not here. 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,840 How weird is that? Like a. 18 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:15,080 Hollow House or something like. Well, it's a quiet house and I 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,320 don't have to worry about like everybody's screaming and 20 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:21,840 yelling and I tried to record. That's why I have my little 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,920 light, so they know because apparently the visual isn't 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,120 enough. They just look in the room and 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,600 they see the light. Yeah, all this stuff. 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,280 I'm like, you didn't see the camera here Like, oh, no, 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,320 apparently so. Yeah, that's my my sign. 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,720 We were just talking about this world's fair thing. 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,960 It's about to be like reintroduced. 28 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,200 And I didn't know about this. This is crazy. 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,880 But apparently Trump is going to bring back the world's fairs. 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,480 And those were really wild because I mean, people are still 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,040 looking back at the old picture of those and scratching the 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,640 heads me like, huh, Did they? Why did they build all these 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,000 magnificent buildings just to tear them down? 34 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,960 And then like, if in the case of Nashville, we still have some of 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,760 those buildings up from that World's Fair. 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,479 But there was and there was a pyramid too, but they took the 37 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,760 pyramid down and it's like shrouded in mystery. 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,920 But what really caught my eye is when you mentioned how long 39 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:19,720 they're going to be. So he's bringing the original 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,400 time span. He has been talking about this 41 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,800 since. So me and Matt from Great 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Deception podcast did a podcast on this. 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,880 I think it was when I first started and I, I text him, I 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,360 said, you got to do one with me because he's the guy. 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,000 He's like, you know, the world's fairest guy. 46 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 And I was like, this is awesome. And we both have been talking 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,880 about it. It starts April 13th to October 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,240 13th, 2025. But he's been talking about this 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,400 for almost 2 years and with the red heifers, with everything 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,880 that's happening with him, sending his, you know, replica, 51 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,280 is it a replica, his replica of the Ark of the Covenant to 52 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,440 Israel? With all the Israel talk, I'm 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,640 not, you know, I'm on the sidelines. 54 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:08,600 I never will condemn anybody because I watch for the fruits 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,760 of their laborers. But I'm anxious a little bit. 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,840 You know, I know it seems like there's this speed up. 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,760 It seems like we're just things are time speeding up and we're 58 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,680 going towards these like it. OK, again, like I think I 59 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,160 mentioned this to you before. I just think about that parable 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,280 that Jesus talked about the where he mentioned the fig tree 61 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 generation and he's talking about, you know, of course, you 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,800 know how like no man's going to know the time or the hour, but 63 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,920 you can you can see that summer's coming before you're in 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,360 that season. And and he's talking about how, 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,920 you know, you look at the branches of the fig tree and you 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,280 see the buds. Can you know that it's almost on 67 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,760 you? The time is you're almost there, 68 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,840 but you're just not in it yet. And yes, I'm not like a standout 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,600 in the street. The end is coming. 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Repent kind of a guy. I just, it's just in the back of 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,240 my mind. I can't. 72 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,160 I can't stop thinking that maybe something is happening. 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Well, you are about the 5th person I've talked to in a week 74 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,960 that has said time is going by so fast. 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,560 And I'm like, yes, and I have felt it. 76 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,920 I think a lot of us are feeling this pressured or anxiety, right 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,320 With, with, with something even not just thinking about 78 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,680 whatever. It doesn't matter it, it's just 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,080 this pressure of time. Time is going by very fast. 80 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,840 And it almost seems like, you know, you get one thing done. 81 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,000 And man, even my husband's like, man, that was a month ago, that 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,360 happened a month ago. Like all these things that you 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,560 just talked about. And it is, it's like time is 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,360 going so quickly. And I'm like you, I'm not one to 85 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,880 put a date on anything or, or whatever, but what we are called 86 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,560 to do is watch, right? And if we have to have our eye, 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,880 we have to have eyes to see and ears to hear. 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Because if we don't, we are really going to be gobsmacked. 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Not godsmacked, Gob, but but also, you know, after the 90 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,760 world's fairs, you know what happens every single time they 91 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,400 go and have these great world's fairs, everybody gets a pandemic 92 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360 and then everybody dies. So yeah. 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,920 And then they burn it all to the ground. 94 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Prelude to a reset. Yeah. 95 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,080 And you know, I think too, like with a lot of the topics that 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,840 you and I have been discussing lately, when we were able to get 97 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:30,720 together and do this, I think that that was the stage being 98 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,760 set for all of this. You know, I think that we're in 99 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,240 a new era. Humanity. 100 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Is I think it started personally, I think it started 101 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,720 right at the end of World War 2. I think that World War 2 like 102 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,920 rattled the foundations of like the haunted house and stuff and 103 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,800 like the. Well, the blood, right? 104 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:53,080 The blood, they, they baptized this country with blood into the 105 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,720 ground. And they're they say that was 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,560 one of the bloodiest battles. And I'm also watching the 107 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,080 players that have stepped back for a very long time. 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Where you will like with this stuff. 109 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,080 We're going to talk about today that the connections that I 110 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,760 could find for Mormons are hard to find in this era. 111 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,400 Not today. Today they're like, and what and 112 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,240 what they're kicking people. I just did an episode where they 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,040 kicked TBMS. That means true blue Mormon out 114 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,520 of the church and sent them a letter that they cannot go to 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,680 another church worldwide. They don't even do that for 116 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,720 murderers. They don't even do that. 117 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,840 And you know what they've said this is not the only and not the 118 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:38,960 first this is happening. And I just think everything the 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,200 cards are on the table and they don't care anymore. 120 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,480 They used to talk all the time about be prepared, have food 121 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,480 storage, you know, all end of the world types of they don't do 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,040 that now that much like everybody do they know? 123 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Yeah, but are they preaching, watching it like they used to? 124 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,160 No. And it's gotten strange. 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,560 They're not. They're shutting down churches, 126 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,000 the LDS churches, because they've had so many people drop 127 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,240 off, but they just don't care. I'm like huh, weird. 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,200 And, and just the the clandestine aspect to this as 129 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,640 well, I mean, even you're going back to 1947, I think that's 130 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,080 when Truman did the National Security Act and you see him 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,000 pumping all this money into the CIA. 132 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Of course, they created the CIA right then and there in 47, but 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,320 all this money is being funneled into that clandestine 134 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,240 organization. But the CIA has its tentacles 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,360 around these other secret groups that we might get into today. 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,120 And I mean, honestly, what this boils down to for me is that 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,320 after after a war, after World War 2, in my opinion, people 138 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,960 were given a lot of power. Some people were just given 139 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,240 straight up keys to nations. And these are people who had no 140 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,600 business being in positions to have that kind of a power. 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,600 But there are a bunch of these shady groups funded by the CIA 142 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,000 with Nazi involved, who I think we're just now catching up with 143 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,440 like this. This is maybe this is the real 144 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,920 deep state, or at least a function of Yeah. 145 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,040 And for Trump to go on TV and literally say with the president 146 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,240 right there of the country and be like, yeah, I'm just going to 147 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,040 take the Gaza Strip and his face, he didn't look like he was 148 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,680 prepared for that. You know, if you go back and 149 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,640 look at his face, he was like, what? 150 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,440 And and then doing that, you know that that is fighting 151 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,280 words. He withdrew from NATO. 152 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Did you hear this? So OK, in the last days, what's 153 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,800 supposed to happen? We're supposed to unite with 154 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,840 Russia the bear, right? And so they're already buddies. 155 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,840 You know, whatever this has been in preparation for now. 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,320 And he has nothing to lose. He's getting older. 157 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,580 I don't think he gives a crap and he doesn't have to have re 158 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:49,760 election. It just makes me very concerned 159 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,960 when he said Christians get out and vote. 160 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,160 You won't have to do it again. What's coming? 161 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,280 What is coming? They they gave the FAA over to 162 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Elon Musk. Do you know this? 163 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,240 No, I didn't know that. So in the. 164 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Asian Administration. Yes. 165 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,360 And and why does that make sense? 166 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,240 Because if we get in a crisis situation with these tariffs 167 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,120 that they're stressing and everybody's all like, yay, like 168 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,120 we're getting ours back. And I looked at my husband, I 169 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,520 said, hold on. I'm not dissing Trump, just a 170 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,000 diss Trump. That's not, I don't care like I, 171 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,320 I don't, I literally have no skin in the game for this. 172 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,040 I'm just watching. And here's what I know. 173 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,080 If you do that, it's going to raise the prices even more so 174 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,520 and people are going to stop shipping in. 175 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,760 So we're going to have shortages. 176 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,800 Then we won't be able to leave the country because if they 177 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,960 decide we shouldn't for some reason, like, I don't know, an 178 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,120 illness or something, then they can lock us down. 179 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,880 And in the end days, what does it say? 180 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,920 You will not be able to travel. So I don't know, it seems very 181 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,760 weird. And when I was in California, we 182 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,400 literally saw one of Musk's. I got to post it. 183 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,760 My husband got it on video because I was like, is this the 184 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,760 fireworks or what is happening? Like, and we were just standing 185 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,640 there and he's like, I don't think this is fireworks. 186 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,920 And so I'm trying to look around and, and he's like, I don't see 187 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,800 why they would have any. It's not a holiday or anything. 188 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,280 So we're looking and it, it was one of Elon Musk's satellite 189 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,760 things. He's shooting up there for that. 190 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,800 And I was like, OK, they're going to lock us down with a 191 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:30,760 digital like zone, you know? That's that's my theory on what 192 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,280 this New Jersey drones thing was all about. 193 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,880 I feel like they were doing a digital mapping project, yes for 194 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,680 over that region for some for some reason, and probably 195 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,640 because of its proximity to the ocean. 196 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,560 But you notice if you'll notice, like Elon was pretty quiet about 197 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:48,160 that whole drone thing, but he has access to that kind of 198 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,920 technology. So that made me wonder. 199 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,120 But then giving him the FAA makes me think that that's going 200 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,800 to fall under Space Force somehow. 201 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,120 It will space is going to come up today and I'll tell you, I 202 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,120 live by the Air Force Base. They have started night, night 203 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,280 bombings. They sent out like a like 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,880 testing. You know, they're not doing it 205 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,600 during the day like they normally do. 206 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,320 We always we're in a flight pattern. 207 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,280 It's loud as hell, like they've always got The Jets going over 208 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,640 our house, but that hasn't been happening. 209 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,200 What's happening is it's happening at night time and 210 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,200 they're doing testing and my mom mom told me that she's miss 211 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,720 watch the news and she knows I don't watch the news because I 212 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,880 just can't do it. And so she said, you know, they 213 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,240 said that that was going to happen. 214 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,280 Well, we're going to talk a little bit about why that 215 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,800 happens and why it matters. And you're absolutely correct 216 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280 when you say aliens. I they are. 217 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,600 They are bringing something here. 218 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Yeah. I, I, I think I said this 219 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,600 earlier to you, I'm really curious if there's, if we're 220 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,560 going to see more of that strange UFO connection come up 221 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,920 today. Like that's been, that's been a 222 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,800 thread that we've, that we've seen in some of our, our recent 223 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,920 episodes, the whole year thing. But like, I think I should 224 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,840 broaden this too, because I was talking about 1947. 225 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,280 And I do think that that was the beginning of a new era for us, 226 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,920 for humans. But not just 47, like from 47 on 227 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,480 up until JFK, it seems like there was maybe a decade or or 228 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,320 more, maybe even 47 to 67. Somewhere in there you see the 229 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,760 like the setting of the table for where we are now. 230 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,080 And you know, I think, I think it's NASA. 231 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,440 I think it's space forest, Nazis, JFK and a bunch of other 232 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,320 stuff that we've missed in this country for at least a century 233 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,040 or almost a century now. You know, my grandparents watch 234 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,880 the news every day, and they believed all of it. 235 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Yeah. And that's why we have to 236 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,080 relearn everything now because we don't know anything. 237 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Because, you know, we come for a lot of people come from families 238 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,200 who, yeah, they were Rs or D's, but they were being fed all the 239 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,000 information that they think they know. 240 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,760 So it's time to go back and look at all these things and untangle 241 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,800 them. Well, and what what they did in 242 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:12,960 2020 plays right into this. I think that was a grand scheme. 243 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,320 I mean, it was planned. We know. 244 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,320 And and I'm watching, you know, I, I was trying to explain to my 245 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,040 mom today, like, you know, Bill Gates, he's got like all these 246 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,280 heirloom seeds all in a frozen like freaking thing out in the 247 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,680 middle of nowhere. And he's saving these heirloom 248 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:33,280 seeds and they're buying up all the farmland and they're doing 249 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,720 all this stuff with in conjunction, like the next in 250 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,440 line is the LDS church. And I've come to find out that 251 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,360 the church who has always been very good about taking care of 252 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,040 their people, they pride themselves on not having their 253 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,320 members go to get welfare. They have their own welfare 254 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,440 system. This is 1 great thing about the 255 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,280 church. They are self-sufficient, but 256 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,000 it's based on a communistic system. 257 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,400 And and it's going to come up today. 258 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,400 The first one that was made with Joseph Smith, it was called 259 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,040 something of Enoch And, and, and I'm like, OK, this he wasn't 260 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,200 supposed to have read that book because he's supposed to be an 261 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,840 unlearned farmer, dumb boy. And so I'm like, no, he read it 262 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,600 and it was a communistic system. And, you know, we're, we're 263 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:22,960 going to talk about some of this stuff and. 264 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,080 I I think gates. I think it's weird. 265 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,640 I just want to say this, Gates represents to me whatever the 266 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,400 new version of Permindex is, I think it's ran by people who 267 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,240 have ties to Gates or, or people involved with Gates and, and, 268 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,720 and beyond that, that Melinda of Bill and Gates Foundation or 269 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,400 whatever that is their, their money organization. 270 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,680 I think that that that's what we're looking. 271 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,560 We need to keep that in mind when we look at groups like 272 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Permindex, because I think that those those kind of groups, yes, 273 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,800 they were doing coups and assassinations, but they were 274 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,920 all about money laundering and moving big sums of money around. 275 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,160 And Bill Gates is a good example of how that's happening in 276 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,680 modern times. I don't know. 277 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,800 Are you planning on getting in the Permindex much? 278 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,280 So yes, I know we talked about. OK, so. 279 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,400 So yes, Permindex for people that don't know what it is, it 280 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:23,080 is basically it stands for permanent industrial complex. 281 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,640 But it was like they were going to start this business. 282 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,200 But actually what we know it stands for now because things 283 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,680 are coming out is permanent index of people to be not alive. 284 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,560 And so the this whole situation is very strange when you start 285 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,400 looking at the board of Permindex, right? 286 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,280 Did you get a check at the board? 287 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,520 I did. I got it. 288 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,240 I'll say this if you don't. Yo, yeah, yeah. 289 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,360 Let's go into that. I'll just, we can get to my 290 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,720 stuff later. But I, I focus more on the Nazi 291 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,760 network surrounding Permadex, so we'll get to that later because 292 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,520 it's, it's going to make sense. But yeah, as far as Permadex 293 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,440 itself goes, I looked at the board a little bit and I'll and 294 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,480 I'll let you run with this, but I noticed Clay Shaw was a name 295 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,240 that stuck out to me and Bloomfield. 296 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,880 Yes, so not they are even not the worst one. 297 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,120 The worst one for me was Roy Cohn and Roy Cohn goes to now 298 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,720 and when we realize what Roy Cohn is, I will say this for the 299 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,960 whole Trump situation. The only reason why he would 300 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:38,520 ever let anything out with knowing Roy Cohn, your mentor, 301 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,000 your guy and and Resorts International is going to come 302 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,960 up today. He was involved with that. 303 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,080 He was involved with mob stuff. He was. 304 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,400 So to let all this out, it's going to make him look bad. 305 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,880 So why would you do something that's going to make you look 306 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,240 bad unless you have an agenda? And what's that agenda going to 307 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,960 be? For me, I truly believe this is 308 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,680 going to launch Project Bluebeam because this is going to get 309 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,560 into aliens. And you're not wrong. 310 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,839 And when we talk about quote UN quote, aliens, I'm talking about 311 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,319 networks of probably other worldly entities. 312 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,480 We'll just call it that. I don't think they're from per 313 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,599 SE other country. Extra dimensional other. 314 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,040 Yeah. Other planets, Yeah. 315 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Interdimensional. Extra dimensional under the 316 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,920 ground, wherever they are. Yes. 317 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,680 And I think, you know, my mom told me this weird story about 318 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,560 my uncle telling her all about how he was really high up in the 319 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Mormon church and how he knew that space travel was possible 320 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,040 because he had helped people in and out of space, like, like a 321 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,400 portal type thing. And and I was like, what? 322 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,880 And I mean, if she told me that 30 years ago, I'd have laughed. 323 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,240 But now I'm like it's probably possible. 324 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Who did he work for? That was with the church. 325 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,840 Well, yeah, there's this crazy Mormon tie with. 326 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:08,840 I mean, even when I back when I was looking into this 327 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,080 whistleblower who popped up on Reddit for a couple days and 328 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,480 then they took it all down. But he was talking about how he 329 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,320 worked at the secret facility and. 330 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,600 Was it in snowflake AZ? It was over in that area. 331 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,840 It wasn't in Arizona, but. You're good. 332 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Sorry, I got and then. No, you're. 333 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Good about how they were they were they were 334 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:37,320 compartmentalizing sections of this this like a warehouse 335 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,800 basically and they had different types of people working there 336 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,400 and they had a craft there apparently of some sort, but 337 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,800 they also had a Mormon division and he explained it like this 338 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,280 he's like they they liked using the Mormons because they had a 339 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,920 spiritual connection somehow to this stuff and they could draw 340 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,920 them in or bring crafts down or something like it's not like 341 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,720 Greer CE 5 but the. Mormons, I will tell you. 342 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,280 Inclination to do it they. They probably didn't have a 343 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,560 natural inclination. They'd probably been through the 344 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,680 temple and assigned find certain demons. 345 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,400 When you're in the temple, you're doing work for the dead 346 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,480 and necromancy attachments, basically. 347 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,520 And it's very concerning to me knowing, you know, I've 348 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,600 renounced on my end, but like my family is still in. 349 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,840 And when we're looking at this stuff, you know, the players 350 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,600 that come out, right, like on the board, they all have 351 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,480 something to do with not just like three letter agencies or 352 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,320 aliens or or Nazis or whatever. And it's all very strange. 353 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,840 And then you get into it. And while I was doing the 354 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,240 research and I couldn't find the quote when I went back, but I 355 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,880 will find it, it was in declassified CIA docs. 356 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,720 And I was looking and some guy had mentioned I don't know why 357 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,680 the Mormons know more about aliens than the government does. 358 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,720 It doesn't make any sense. And and then when you know about 359 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,080 Skinwalker Ranch and you know about like all this stuff and 360 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,200 Howard Hughes obsession with Mormon it, it's weird. 361 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,240 It's. Weird and the CIA ties because 362 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,080 the the CIA from what I understand that Brigham Young 363 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,960 University is a honey part for CIA to recruit out of they love 364 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:19,960 the Mormon. Yes. 365 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,400 Well, because we're halfway MK Ultra at that point. 366 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,200 And on top of it, you're talking about elite family. 367 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,200 So I'll tell you this like there's and I've done a show 368 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,920 about this where these elite families will go on missions to 369 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,400 certain places like Germany, England, whereas maybe somebody 370 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,680 like the kid down the street might just go to Arkansas, you 371 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,120 know, no biggie. But they place these people in 372 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,600 these positions and, and it makes perfect sense. 373 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,640 Like, oh, they're just on their mission. 374 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Were they or did they go away to a mystery school for two years? 375 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,400 Well, see, that's the thing. Like this whistleblower I was 376 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,600 talking about, he told a story that happened with one of these 377 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,920 Mormon girls in the program. They were having a bonfire and 378 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960 this was not at work. This was outside of work and 379 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,440 there were like civilian people at the bonfire and this Mormon 380 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,640 girl got a couple beers in her and apparently she brought down 381 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,040 a craft in front of everyone right there at the bonfire and 382 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,400 they had to discipline her. And that's in this 383 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,920 whistleblowers statement. He's he's, you know, he's 384 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,760 talking about this Mormon division. 385 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,520 And and like one of these girls literally did it out in the 386 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,960 public and brought something down or, or something through a 387 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,600 port or. Yeah, through want to look at it 388 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,480 right that. Is something weird? 389 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Yeah, something weird happened. You think about the CIA 390 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,640 connections with, with the Mormon, you know, community, 391 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,080 it's just out, out of this world. 392 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,840 Well, there is this weird, you know who Fritz Springmeyer is, 393 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,160 right being into conspiracies. He's the OG right of of 394 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,720 conspiracies. But he has some books out and he 395 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,440 talks about Mormons in them and he says that they are literally 396 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,600 a 13th bloodline, Meravengian bloodline, where they believe 397 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,680 they are, you know, descended from Jesus Christ. 398 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,720 Like, like literally. And it wasn't a vision I finally 399 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,040 found traced it backward because I was like, where is this coming 400 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,960 from? And they all in breed to this 401 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,560 day have babies with their uncles and brothers and stuff. 402 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,520 And they're a sect of polygamy. And these people are high up in 403 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,680 the government and very wealthy. And it just makes you wonder 404 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,160 like, what is going on with that? 405 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,920 But they are. They are said to be Lucifer's 406 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,520 bloodline. Well, that that goes back to the 407 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,200 God kings too, and like, and maybe even what's his name, the 408 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Tomb of Gilgamesh. And you know, the Nazis were 409 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,000 looking for that stuff too. They were in Iraq looking for 410 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,680 these, these DNA bloodlines that go back to the God kings of the 411 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240 old Sumerian Empire and everything like that. 412 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,520 But it the bloodline saying is is crazy how how it goes back to 413 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,520 like Nephilim and and maybe even like watchers and stuff like 414 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,960 that. Oh, I I think it does go deep 415 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,480 because they literally believe that God was a man and he had 416 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,200 relations with Mary and that sounds like that sounds like 417 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,480 fallen angels to me. That doesn't sound like real 418 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,120 God. You know, Holy Spirit is how 419 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,000 it's supposed to be in Jesus. Like it sounds like another 420 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,080 Jesus. And literally people will say 421 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,760 that often like, well, you love another Jesus And and why do the 422 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,640 Mormons constantly say we have the true form of Freemasonry? 423 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,560 We have the key, the keys to the Kingdom, keys, keys, keys. 424 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,600 And I'm like they, they have something. 425 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,680 It either it's blood and there's all those nobility. 426 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,560 We'll get into that another time, but it's very strange when 427 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,560 you get into all of that. And then I saw something about 428 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:02,840 the pace, excuse me, family that Ian Carroll, Ian Carroll talked 429 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,720 about today. And I was like, this is a little 430 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,520 bit weird because when I look backward, it sure enough runs 431 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,560 into some strange things with the Mormons. 432 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320 And I'm like, this is, this is interesting. 433 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,160 I'm doing a little bit of a deep dive on it right now, but. 434 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,320 Or I guess, yeah, kind of kind of gets into some of this stuff. 435 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,800 I mean, it seems like what happened there is Jim Garrison 436 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,360 uncovered permandex in his JFK investigation. 437 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,600 And it seemed like it was like like, almost like as a peek into 438 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,520 the underworld of the CIA front companies that move this money 439 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,480 around like Bill Gates does, you know, yes. 440 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,480 And they, but they, but they also wasn't just about moving 441 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,840 money. They also carried out 442 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,280 assassinations. And that's what Permanex kind of 443 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,520 represents for me. It was like, it's like Garrison 444 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,520 is looking for a killer, but he stumbles on a global clandestine 445 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,160 cabal. Yes, perfect. 446 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,240 And here's the people. They don't make any sense when 447 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,200 you've got Lewis Mortimer, Bloomfield for Neck, Naji, a 448 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,040 former Prime Minister of Hungary, Giorgio Montelo, Roy 449 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,080 Cohn and Joseph Bonanno. Like a literal mobster. 450 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,960 Jean de Manil, Paul Reagan, Dorski, Count guitarist, 451 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,200 Despadorfa. That's Mussolini's bureaucracy. 452 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,520 We got Hans Sago Meyer. He's a really big deal banker in 453 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,480 Basil Carlo de Angelo. I think that's how you say it, 454 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,840 Angelo. But he's the attorney for the 455 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,360 House of Savoy. That gets interesting. 456 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:41,800 Max Egelman, Minar Shabargi, Giuseppe Zagati, Italian Fascist 457 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040 for Neck, Simon Frey and Clay Shaw. 458 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,000 Clay Shaw, can I go back to the basil part for just a second? 459 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,840 You bet, Because that's that's in Switzerland and I feel like 460 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,960 term index maybe was in that region for for a reason because 461 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,160 that's that's that's the main global hub for private illegal 462 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,200 money operations. Switch is they're they're known 463 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600 for baking with the mob or anybody else. 464 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,560 They they let anybody move money through the Swiss banks and the 465 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,000 Nazis did it too. So, but it's interesting that 466 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Clay Shaw of all people is involved with this too, because 467 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,480 I think I even said last episode and I, I, I take this back now, 468 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,080 I thought that maybe he was like a small fish. 469 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,480 Maybe he was like a CIA wannabe. Now I'm starting to say that 470 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,880 he's a bigger fish. He's a very big fish to fry. 471 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,160 And here's The thing is all of these people don't work together 472 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,680 naturally. Like you don't normally have the 473 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:45,160 CIA with mobsters with with ex fascists or current fascists. 474 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,840 You know all these things and it doesn't make any sense when you 475 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,440 look at it on a base level, especially with Bloomfield 476 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,600 because his connections to Papa Bush and that gets weird and 477 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,440 we'll get into that. That possibly got him killed. 478 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,680 Not the jump too far. I think it did. 479 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,120 I really feel bad for him actually, in a lot of ways. 480 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,360 Should I just tell people that he he was exchanging letters? 481 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,520 Bloomfield was with George Bush, of course. 482 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,080 That's another CIA connection. Yes. 483 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,960 And you know, I don't think it worked out well for him. 484 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,160 Well, and and it becomes so again, who's Permindex funded by 485 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,640 HL Hunt, Halliburton, which goes into Bush again, which goes into 486 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,920 who Howard Hughes. We're going to get back to the 487 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,520 Mormon Mafia, you know, and and there's a whole bunch of people. 488 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,520 I mean, it's a lot, but we get in the also funding Bell 489 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Aerospace, OK, that's definitely going to hit Howard. 490 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,720 You know, these people are majorly connected, so it. 491 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,520 Sounds like they are funding it. Where it's going to sound like 492 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,360 we might be reaching, but we but people just got to hang with us 493 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,320 because that's how connected these people were. 494 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,120 They went to the most random corners of the earth and had 495 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,760 connections there. Like Permadex was even a front 496 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,040 company at one point for Mossad. Oh yeah, and the crown. 497 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,160 And the crown, which is wild. They're getting thrown. 498 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,120 They got thrown out of Italy for being like a spy. 499 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,160 So they're spies too. So there's all this, this 500 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,960 clandestine business about this. It's basically assassination for 501 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,240 hire business and they tried they and they did actually 502 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,680 complete mini messed it up with Charles de Gaulle quite a bit. 503 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:40,680 But I will say this like there's a, a branch diagram that I found 504 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,920 on Permindex and it says like crown at the top and then it 505 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,320 branches off down and then it goes to Permindex and Hollinger. 506 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,560 And then in the middle it goes to the 1001 club. 507 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360 And that is going to be super important when you talk about 508 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000 philanthropy. And then it from Permindex goes 509 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,880 up straight to Division 5. And so we're talking straight 510 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:07,520 up, FBICIA, this is all very, very suspect. 511 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,680 And some people will say, you know what, this is from the 512 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,000 Torbett report. It's not true. 513 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,080 You can't just disregard because even the Garrison report, 17 514 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720 witnesses were dead before they could ever get to the 515 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,720 courthouse. So that's, you know, part of why 516 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,280 they called it off. Yeah, the Torbett report is 517 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,920 interesting in in several regards and I'll probably refer 518 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,280 to it. I will say this like, you know, 519 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760 I think there might be some misinformation in there. 520 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,280 I think there's truth in there mixed with a little bit of non 521 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560 truth. And I think it's probably 522 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,560 because the guy who put out the Torbett document was, you know, 523 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,000 a self-proclaimed. He was part of LBJ's cap. 524 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,600 He was yeah. So that's that's a red flag. 525 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520 But I think there were truths in there and. 526 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800 And I think they always do that right. 527 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,800 They have to mix the truth with a liar. 528 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,920 We won't buy it. There's there's some of that 529 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600 going on, but I, I, you know, from and what I could tell, I, I 530 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,480 feel like permadex was, was like aerospace in, I mean in the 531 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,240 regard that they, they were, they were messing with Hughes 532 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,840 and and in like Halliburton, right? 533 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,600 They I think that permadex and for contracts I I think they 534 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,000 they. They also straight up had NASA 535 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600 contract. Part of their funding came 536 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,960 straight from NASA contractors directed by the Defense 537 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,960 Industrial Society Command. Straight up. 538 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,080 I know somebody in aerospace and that's what they do there. 539 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,240 They bid for contracts. So like two or three different 540 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,640 companies will get a contract that they're now competing for 541 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,200 and one company will get the contract at the end of the day, 542 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,400 but it creates this competition. So I'm wondering if permadex is 543 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840 a is similar where they're they're in it's but it's 544 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,000 assassinations like they're. Bidding well and why are why are 545 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,840 they assassinating everyone? Right? 546 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,720 And I'll tell you, there is a secret space and I know you know 547 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,760 this too, because you follow the same stuff as I do, or go down 548 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,880 the same rabbit holes at least. And there's a separate space 549 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,920 place other than NASA. There's two factions of space. 550 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,720 And I think with Trump, we're seeing this come alive again for 551 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,320 the first time in a long time. And it actually doesn't have to 552 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,680 do as much with space as UF OS or aliens, right? 553 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,280 And so when we get into this, literally, E Howard Hunt has 554 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,680 told Caddy, one of his friends, that the whole reason why he did 555 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,160 it was to protect the nation's biggest secret. 556 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,760 And he said, well, what's that? Because he was being sent off to 557 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,600 prison at the time. And he's quoted on record as 558 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:59,120 saying it's a alien file. Yes, the UFO, yeah, because 559 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,720 Kennedy was was wanting to share what we had on UFOs with the 560 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Russians for several reasons. He for once 11 reason being he 561 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,840 wanted a joint space program with the Soviets. 562 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,000 And you know, that would have ended the Cold War and that 563 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,240 would have been great, probably would have ended it. 564 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,200 But also, I think he wanted to. He didn't want them to bomb us 565 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,360 whenever, every time I saw a UFO. 566 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,120 Exactly, that was like he was hoping to do is to make it 567 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,080 friendlier error, you know, friendlier, like don't feel us. 568 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,160 It's not us. Yeah. 569 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Right. Exactly. 570 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,440 But you got to think about what's in those UFO files. 571 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,760 Yes, it gets crazy because we had all these, you know, we've 572 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,440 had people think about Project Blue Book. 573 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880 Yeah, that that's the one we know about. 574 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,400 But there are crazy crazy files on you of. 575 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,920 Gemstone Oh my gosh, there's so many things that are going to 576 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,760 and X protect is supposedly this and shout out dark journalists 577 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,200 for doing a lot of this work because I've learned a ton 578 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,520 watching him and it's not just from him. 579 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160 It's a lot of books. But I mean, obviously you got to 580 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000 give credit where credit's due, but he talks a lot about this 581 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,000 Hughes connection with all of the CIA to The X-Files and to 582 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,360 this whole situation. In fact, there's rumors and I 583 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,960 haven't been able to find the proof definitively that Howard 584 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,240 Hughes had his own hangar Area 51. 585 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,640 And so that's weird. Like, why would he be able to do 586 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,720 that, you know? And it goes straight back to 587 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320 this Mormon Mafia. Now, a lot of the players in the 588 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,560 Mormon Mafia are just called that. 589 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,640 Mayhew being one that wasn't Mormon. 590 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,080 He's the most critical in this one, in this particular 591 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,080 situation because he worked with Guy Bannister for 10 years in 592 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,480 the FBI when he was in the Chicago office. 593 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,480 So these people are all very tightly knit. 594 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,520 I mean, they're not going to just tell each other down the 595 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,200 road. Plus they work together with the 596 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960 Bay of Pigs. And so they've got this working 597 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,880 relationship, including with Howard E Howard Hunt, and it's 598 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,440 all going to become extremely important when you get into what 599 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000 the hell happened. You know, like, why, why was 600 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:18,639 this allowed to just be done? Well, you know, why it kind of 601 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,280 even got started under Hughes was because he wanted to have 602 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,320 his medical institute cover all of his taxes. 603 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,159 And he wanted to put it underneath that as a shell and 604 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:37,239 say, like, look, we're just doing this and it's all 605 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,719 philanthropy. But really, he wanted to put all 606 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,920 of his aerospace underneath of it, which gave him the ability 607 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,239 to then fund the CIA and bankroll the CIA, which give 608 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,520 them way too much power. And that was what Kennedy was 609 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,360 slowly trying to pull back. You know, and that was pretty 610 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,360 much what probably caused his death was because he was 611 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,920 informed he was one of the first presidents that didn't have a 612 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,560 need to know basis because he was already secret clearance 613 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,160 himself in the Navy. So he knew enough to know there 614 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,280 was more. And he wanted those files and 615 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040 they told him, no, you're on a need to know basis. 616 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,040 And so he fired Ellen Dulles. And that is just not that's not 617 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,520 done. You know, Dulles was a force, so 618 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,040 yeah, any. We talked about Hughes too, on 619 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,000 one of the previous episodes. And I just thought it was 620 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,880 interesting that he did have this kind of knowledge of of 621 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,200 like flight and stuff because he he was talking in that in that 622 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,160 press release, whatever that was that I brought up. 623 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040 It's like he was talking to people about something that has 624 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,160 was long since forgotten. But it goes back to the late 625 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,120 1800s in the mystery airship wave where you saw these big 626 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,080 airships flying around the country for about a decade 627 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,240 there. And a lot of people attribute 628 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,720 that to UFO's. But when you look into it and 629 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:10,240 the Cosmos Club and some of the other airship clubs out there, 630 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,480 it looks like there was a group of billionaires who were had, 631 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,600 you know, advanced technology and they were able to build 632 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,960 these things that fly around with them. 633 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080 And they had a club. But Howard, he knew about that. 634 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,640 But he also seems like he he's in the same circles to where he 635 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:30,200 knows about the UFO stuff to the stuff that's not made here on 636 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,400 this planet. Well, I'm gonna give you an odd 637 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,120 to how he knew Project Azorion, which we have spoke about. 638 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,720 That was where they were drilling and trying to get that 639 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,880 boat where it would like go down and get the the submarine that 640 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,160 was sunk right and pull it out of the water because it was a 641 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,600 sunken Russian one. And they said they were going to 642 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,080 do some drilling around it so they can get back up. 643 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,800 And The funny thing is, is it's called Project Azorian. 644 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,560 So I look that up because you know, on on all this like dark 645 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,800 journalist, he talks about Theosophy so much. 646 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,920 So I was like, I bet he was because he was always saying he 647 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,520 knew about aliens and stuff. And sure enough, that case al 648 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,640 that that place he bought that island is actually rumored to be 649 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,640 part of Atlantis. And not only that, but Azorian 650 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,480 is a name from the Atlantis story. 651 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,120 And so I was like, this is too good. 652 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,160 Like he knew he was shoving it or if the CIA was shoving it one 653 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,440 of the two right in our faces. And they did that other Zapata 654 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,520 oil project with Bush when this whole, you know, Cuban stuff was 655 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,160 happening. They wanted to assassinate 656 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,760 Castro. And they were actually training 657 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880 people on the island. And it leads to the Bay of Pigs. 658 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,640 But it Bush is the one there was the pot of oil as the cover. 659 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,160 But they said it happened when the ocean was the lowest it had 660 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,400 been for a long time. And they were drilling. 661 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,800 I think they knew that something was there and they were trying 662 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,800 to get their hands on it. Well, this is kind of crazy, but 663 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,960 I think that this knowledge of flight and humans getting their 664 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,480 hands on the technology to fly around and something other than 665 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,120 an airplane, right? Something weird. 666 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,080 I think it might go back to Atlantis because there is a 667 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,280 story about this archaeologist in the 20s. 668 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,800 His name is Kinnaman. They on the South wall, I think 669 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040 it was the South side of the Great Pyramid. 670 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,960 They found a little room there and inside the room they found 671 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,200 all this stuff. But they part of what they found 672 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,280 were like instructions on on how they built the pyramid and 673 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,960 included in that they were using flight. 674 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,640 They had some sort of a flying device that they were using to 675 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,040 help them build the pyramids and it and it was Atlantean. 676 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:03,720 So and that stuff is they decided the archaeologists had 677 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,400 he was being looked over, I think by the by the Egypt, 678 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,240 Egyptian government and by the British government. 679 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,440 And so they squashed it. They said we're not going to 680 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,000 tell the public about this, but I know that's kind of a crazy 681 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,480 side rabbit hole, but like. No, actually might. 682 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,440 Go back to Atlantis. Well, and then we get into the 683 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,120 two eye stone and all that stuff that goes with it. 684 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,520 Did they find something there? And here's the weird thing. 685 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,200 There was this cartoon and people will say, oh, it's just a 686 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,240 cartoon. OK. 687 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,520 There's a cartoon from when I was young showing how the temple 688 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,680 in Salt Lake City was built. And they were like magically 689 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,120 floating the the stones, these big granite slabs that and 690 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,160 floating them to the temple. And it was just just a cartoon, 691 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,640 but it was weird. And I remember thinking that's 692 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,160 not how they showed it in the pictures. 693 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,080 And even 1, you know, one stone would take all day. 694 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,080 Like the quarry was really far. And I I never did buy that. 695 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,320 I was like, it must have been here or something. 696 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,240 But honestly, I'm telling you guys like this was a real thing 697 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,400 put out by the church. You know, I think that's exactly 698 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,760 from what I gathered about looking in the Kinnaman. 699 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,360 That's what they found. They were using some, they were 700 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,960 floating these big stones, but they were up there in the sky 701 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,760 and some kind of a craft doing it. 702 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,880 And this is the same one of the same archaeologists who worked 703 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,840 for the Smithsonian who was over there messing around the Grand 704 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,320 Canyon and found all that, all that Egyptian stuff. 705 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,640 But you know, if and like I'll say this and I'll get back on 706 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:44,640 permadex, but like the the Atlantean flight thing might go 707 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,160 back to Cane. And because in the in the in the 708 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,040 book of Genesis where he goes to start a new civilization, a lot 709 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,040 of people have suggested that may have been Atlantis that Cain 710 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,480 started or it may have been Atlantean like. 711 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,840 So I just thought that all that was interesting. 712 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,040 But well, it, it definitely wasn't too far off of where I 713 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,560 was going to go because, you know, Howard Hughes had Van 714 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,360 Tassel. He he actually funded Van Tassel 715 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:17,680 and his space, you know, pass machine and time travel and he 716 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,040 funded that. But not only that, he was 717 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,800 obsessed. And this is where I got a lot of 718 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,040 my information was from Meyer's book Age of Secrets, where he 719 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,880 talks about how he was obsessed with getting the AEC to stop 720 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,360 bombing or setting off explosions at all anymore. 721 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,600 And he was like, you've got to, you've got to stop. 722 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,600 And he was, he had like his own psychic and all kinds of stuff. 723 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,320 And people will just say he's imbalanced. 724 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,560 But here's the thing about it that was weird is he was like, 725 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,360 you, you have to stop these. And then we know Parsons again, 726 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,800 we get back to, you know, blowing things up. 727 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,160 And he was kind of concerned about stuff like that, too. 728 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,600 And then he gets blown up. So I think they want this 729 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,720 knowledge all. Goes back to 1947 to Van so and 730 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,720 Parsons. They were both out in the same 731 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,520 desert. They didn't know each other. 732 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,600 Van Tassel built that integraton out there where you've got all 733 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,680 these rumors later circulating about time travel and, and just, 734 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,320 and he was talking about getting in touch with, he said. 735 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,680 Van Tassel said he got in touch with an extra dimensional and 736 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,680 extraterrestrial entity. It was some. 737 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,720 Venus. Yeah, somehow. 738 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,240 But it's weird because Van Tassel, he leaves his job at 739 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:41,280 Lockheed, he just up and leaves, moves to the Mojave Desert, 740 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,320 establishes one of the biggest and most well known UFO centers 741 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,680 of all time out there. And it's the same time period 742 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000 and same desert where Jack Parsons is doing the Babylon 743 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,640 working with the old Hubbard. Yes. 744 00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,040 And I think possibly the the crashes Hughes had, because he 745 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,800 had some pretty significant crashes, maybe they weren't 746 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,080 crashes, right? Maybe that was something after 747 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,800 him that that he didn't want to talk about, because why would he 748 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,560 be so obsessed with making sure there was no talking to these 749 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,480 people? Do you think that maybe that 750 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,680 something was brought down out of the sky on purpose? 751 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:25,640 I think I think that he saw stuff and new stuff and they 752 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,880 might have been trying to take him out and so and then he felt, 753 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,960 you know, fell to get all these horrible, you know, injuries and 754 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,280 and then it ruined kind of ruined his life, you know, I'm. 755 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,680 So glad you brought up the Van Tassel because I noticed that a 756 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,800 couple weeks ago and for some reason I didn't jump on. 757 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,120 I should have jumped on it, but I noticed that there was a link 758 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,160 with Van Tassel and QS and I thought that was so crazy. 759 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,520 I'm glad you brought that up because Van Tassel and I'm not 760 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,680 going to stay on them forever, but I'm just going to say this. 761 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,640 I think it is super relevant to today what he did. 762 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,800 First of all, it comes out of 1947. 763 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,200 It goes back to this humanity stepping into a new era thing. 764 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,520 But what what he did was he basically created this. 765 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,320 So you had Roswell and you had Kenneth Arnold and that was also 766 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,680 1947. And that kicks off what we would 767 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,800 call the UFO age. That was like the rollout of all 768 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,160 this stuff. That was the rollout of us being 769 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,920 told we're not alone and and all that. 770 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,720 So you've you've got that, you've got Roswell, but 771 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,400 underneath that you've got Van Tassel, who starts this UFO 772 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,040 religion unrelated to. Roswell, but they just happened. 773 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,080 To start at the same time and did you? 774 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,000 See the Insignia for that religion? 775 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,360 It's almost it's. It's like a circle split into 4. 776 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,600 Like a, like a quartered cross, like a, It's like. 777 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,240 It's like a circle and then four pieces of pie and so. 778 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,000 Let's use that. And I thought that was very 779 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,600 strange knowing that what we know with everything that's 780 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,480 gonna be applicable there and this was gonna come up anyway 781 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,520 because we have to explain why this aircraft mechanic, he was 782 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,200 the top flight inspector. This is Van Tassel. 783 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,880 And all of this stuff would just like you said, basically go off 784 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,520 mainstream and go completely over here. 785 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,600 Like there had to be very not just a bad dream or some weird 786 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,640 phenomena that you blow off. It changed his whole course. 787 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,600 It changed everything. And he got, I think he got 788 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,280 killed over it. I mean, no Van Tassel. 789 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,280 He didn't not live to finish it. Yeah. 790 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,040 I mean, you know, there's, there are some crazies in that whole 791 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,040 UFO field. For me, Van Tassel was one of 792 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,120 the ones who's strangely legit. I've watched old interviews of 793 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,720 him. He's very he's not the kind of 794 00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:00,920 person who becomes a UFO person, if that makes any sense. 795 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,360 He's. A yeah, that's what I'm yeah, 796 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,040 yeah, that's what I'm saying. He it changed his whole 797 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,480 everything. Yeah, he wasn't a weird guy. 798 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,680 I don't even think he was, really. 799 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,120 No, he wasn't. So it's just strange, like 800 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,520 something you could tell something happened to him and 801 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,080 when you watch his old interviews, he's very just chill 802 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,800 and just to the point and just no nonsense. 803 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,080 He's like, this is what happened. 804 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200 Yeah, Yep. And then it goes back into 805 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,160 Hughes, like why? OK, So with Permindex, you know, 806 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,520 Hughes is very involved with everything that's happening and 807 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,560 he is very concerned at this point. 808 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,800 So concerned in fact, that this is going to lead to Watergate 809 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,360 about any of his information getting out right. 810 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,280 And and so Mayhew becomes involved in this. 811 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:56,640 All these players that are kind of saturated Caddy Banister and 812 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,320 and funny enough with with E Howard Hunt. 813 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,440 This is my Mormon connection. He left the CIA to go work for 814 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,240 the Mullen company. Well, the Mullen Company was 815 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:15,520 just a shell front for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir church 816 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,720 and stuff, and it was run by Bob Bennett and Bob Bennett was a 817 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,600 senator and he's from Utah. He's Mormon guy. 818 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,000 So the only people he had for his, it's like an advertising 819 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,280 company. It was this E Howard Hunt for an 820 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,400 employee. He's doing it for Howard Hughes 821 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,160 and he's doing it for the the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and 822 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,240 that's it pretty much. He's like connected into these 823 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,600 big things and clear until like far, far later. 824 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,320 We don't find this out because he denies, denies, denies even 825 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:58,240 through Watergate that he's CIA. He was CIA And so he he really 826 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,640 held his secret. But here's The funny thing. 827 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:07,200 After 1963, the Mormon church was in extreme trouble. 828 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,760 Before that, in 1962 and before they were literally losing their 829 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,760 ass and they were like in deep, desperate financial trouble. 830 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,680 Well, all of a sudden after 1963, there they hire this guy 831 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,920 that's a socialist from Canada who takes over their books and 832 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,200 miraculously fixes everything. Of course, of course. 833 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,920 And then they make billions and I'm like, sounds like a deal to 834 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,120 me. Well, you brought up Guy 835 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,800 Bannister and the CIA and, and I think everything that you just 836 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,320 laid out there. I, I think you do see traces of 837 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,760 this in that Torbett document because, well, first of all, 838 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,480 what's interesting to me is that Torbett document mentions von 839 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,160 Braun and it says Von Braun started an organization called 840 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,440 DISK, which is Defense Industrial Security Command. 841 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,680 And it was like this kind of a covert group involved with the 842 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,880 secret space program. But when you think about the 843 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,760 name of that, it sounds just like the military industrial 844 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,800 complex, right? It's it's defense industrial 845 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,280 command. And if you jumble that up, you 846 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,960 get military industrial complex. So I, I think that it backs up 847 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,120 my, my theory that von Braun and the paper clip Nazis are the 848 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,760 military industrial complex. But also you get Guy Bannister 849 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,680 in that Torbett document, he's and he's, he's this UFO 850 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,560 investigator, yeah, who's like The X-Files guy for, for the 851 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,720 FBI. And he's a part of this New 852 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,840 Orleans group of guys that's associated with Oswald. 853 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,200 And it's just just the fact that they called this disk, it's 854 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,960 almost suggests that there's like a UFO connection. 855 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,800 I just think that that's uncanny terminal. 856 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,000 It's. So weird. 857 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,560 Yeah, He was involved originally in the Maury Island affair. 858 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,120 He was involved with all the seven. 859 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,600 Yes, yes. And he's a key player like these 860 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,280 people, even down to like Marina's dad being like Intel. 861 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,680 All these people are like weirdly Intel. 862 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,600 And with Oswald, he worked at the Riley Coffee Company and 863 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,000 every single person that worked there ended up working at NASA. 864 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,200 It's like, what does coffee have to do with? 865 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,360 Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense. 866 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,160 It doesn't. It will. 867 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,280 It makes sense when you look at what we've suggested that 868 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,880 there's major, major intelligence ties and happenings 869 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,600 here. But when? 870 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,360 Yeah. And you see it with Banister. 871 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,960 You see when he died, by the way, that was under suspicious 872 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,280 circumstances. So suspicious. 873 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,800 What did they do? They swarmed his house for 874 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,960 files. They went and grabbed all his 875 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,400 files. That stuff's never seen the 876 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,600 light of day, and I'm betting that there was a ton of UFO 877 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,560 stuff in there. Oh, and Van Tassel's files have 878 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,960 never been released either. Yeah. 879 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,880 So that's interesting. Heidi, when you look at still 880 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:06,200 deep not declassified documents that list that, it gets so 881 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,720 bizarre. Like there's stuff on Himmler 882 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,080 that's not to be released until 2045. 883 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,520 But but back to the UFO thing, when you look at, you know, even 884 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,400 Operation High Jump, it's still not all the way classified 885 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,720 declassified. So it's it's like crazy. 886 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,120 But I think Roy Cohn, he's in the Torbett documents as well. 887 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,280 Oh, he's. Player to be sniffing around 888 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,040 Roswell and the UFO stuff as well, because there was 889 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,640 apparently was this UFO stuff involved with the Monmouth 890 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,880 hearings because that that Monmouth guy that Roy Cohn was 891 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,440 involved with Monmouth himself was in New Mexico in 1947. 892 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,600 When you have Roswell happening, you know, and, and of course 893 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,640 everything else like Maury Island and Van Hassel, this is 894 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,280 all in 1947. And we'll, we'll remind 895 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,120 everybody how these key players come into like weird situations 896 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,560 later, especially with Bloomfield, you know, and it's. 897 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,040 Close with cone. Oh, oh, and his uncle was close 898 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,600 with Vanover Bush. He was the protege for Tesla. 899 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,240 And then so, you know, he he literally, I think that's why 900 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,840 they tossed Mara Largo. I think that's what they were 901 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,360 looking for is all that Tesla had. 902 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,640 And that's cool. Yeah. 903 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,560 And Meyer, this guy Meyer, you know, he's just there. 904 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,240 And I think he was really kind of an innocent person that was 905 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:38,560 more honest thinking he was just there doing a job. 906 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,160 And then he gets all this stuff happening to him. 907 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,520 And they actually tried. They kicked him out of the 908 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,680 country. They tried to charge him for 909 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,360 murder. They charged him for IRS fraud. 910 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,480 Like, they did everything. They ruined his life. 911 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,560 They ruined his life because he wouldn't keep secrets. 912 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,000 Can I just. I just want to spell this out 913 00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,520 for Vanover Bush. He's he's from MIT. 914 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,760 He's like a he's like a brainiac scientist guy. 915 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,080 Not related to Bush's? No, no, not really. 916 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,880 But he's on, I believe that he's on a secret UFO panel, A 917 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,040 government UFO panel with Guy Bannister and and some other, 918 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,680 some other people. But of course, Vanover Bush, his 919 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,040 protege is John Trump. So there's that. 920 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,600 There's just, you know, there's this UFO stuff there surrounding 921 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,840 shrimp as well. And and like with this Roy Cohn 922 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,000 thing, right? And he messes with it. 923 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,880 And here's the thing, OK, so on the Roy Cohn situation, which is 924 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,040 going to help fund Permindex because they are, I'll tell you 925 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,440 why. Because of how it ties in, not 926 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,240 only it ties into Halliburton, which is Bush, ties into Hughes 927 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,480 through Bell Helicopter, ties into all these people that were 928 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,360 already talking about. It ties in with just so many 929 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,160 companies that you can't even believe, including the church. 930 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,160 Because all of this goes even further back. 931 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,640 And it this is the only part that gave me a little worry 932 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,400 about Meyer's story is his father was born in Germany in 933 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,640 the 1930s. He became an agent of the German 934 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,040 Foreign Office. And so I was like, oh. 935 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,200 Who is Meyer again? I'm sorry. 936 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,880 So he's the one that wrote the book and told the secrets in Age 937 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,560 of Secrets, and he's the one kind of spilling the beans about 938 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,200 what really happened, I guess, you know, with Howard Hughes and 939 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,720 who got him. The one guy that supposedly 940 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,640 pulled him out of Las Vegas and on Thanksgiving night, like 941 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,200 basically kidnapped him, is James O Golden. 942 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:51,200 Will James O Golden is so top secret that you finding stuff on 943 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,560 him was wild and he was involved with the Mormon church. 944 00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:01,760 James O Golden goes forward to become the vice president of 945 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:08,800 Intertel and the founding agent. He also said, let's see, he came 946 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,280 international, he became part of the Resorts International and 947 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,640 that becomes super important because that's also helping fund 948 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,240 Permanent Index. But it's also where Hughes was 949 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:23,760 living with within that whole hotel complex in the Bahamas. 950 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:29,360 And so Resorts International 1960s to 80s is like completely 951 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,480 for crime. Basically it's it was Mary Paint 952 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,200 Company. Do you know about the paint 953 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,960 company thing? And, and so it's like a mob. 954 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,800 It's all mob syndicate. And the only reason why I bring 955 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,960 it up right now is Mary, it's Mary Carter Paint Company, which 956 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,560 kind of never really existed. It was just owned by a family. 957 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,600 And then it was like a whole mob front. 958 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,120 But here's the thing that's funny. 959 00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:00,840 Later, Trump gets involved, takes over Resorts 960 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,160 International. But he didn't get it easily. 961 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,520 He had to fight for it, and there was this big court battle 962 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,840 with it. And guess what? 963 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:15,440 He names the damn hotel the Atlantis and and the Mormon 964 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,520 church. The Mormon church currently has 965 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:24,000 one in Hawaii called Kona Blue. That should sound very familiar. 966 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,160 Well, you know, I think Trump being close with Roy Cohn, you 967 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,800 know, there's, there's to me it that smells like there's UFO 968 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,360 stuff there. But you know, I watched this, 969 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,240 this Trump, Zelitsky argument that they just had recently with 970 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,800 the vice president and all that. And if you'll notice, you'll 971 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,080 hear Trump, he kept saying to Zelensky, you don't hold the 972 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,040 cards, you don't have the cards. And I think that's what Trump 973 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,400 did with whatever Cone told him. He whatever he learned from 974 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,560 Cone, he used that as cards to hold in his deck. 975 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,000 I think that's. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Cone. 976 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,480 Cone was. Yeah, but I, but I think Trump, 977 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,560 you know, just on this UFO topic, I think I've suggested 978 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,560 this I think before. And I do think that he knows 979 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,840 more about UFOs than. He knows. 980 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,800 I think he knows all of it. And then when you start talking, 981 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,480 like I said, about all of these people that are contributing to 982 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,320 Permindex, now Permindex itself sounds cool, you know, cuz it's 983 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,720 got this cool name and it's this assassination group. 984 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,520 But also you have to understand how far it branches out, like 985 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,600 clear to Nazi connect, clear, clear to other countries clear. 986 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,200 I don't think it ever stopped. Why would it? 987 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,160 Why would it stop? Yeah, there's a yeah, there's a 988 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,160 major, major Nazi connection with this. 989 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,600 There's and and you know too, even Hughes with the Bell 990 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,960 Helicopter thing that Dornberger work there. 991 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,960 Dornberger is 100% a Nazi, former Nazi, Yes. 992 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:07,040 So you know, it's and those ties with Dornberger to Oswald and 993 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:13,000 all that stuff. Yeah, I've got this crazy thing 994 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,520 with this, with the Nazi connection to this. 995 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,720 And you know, I might need, I don't want to derail you. 996 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,800 I might need like 5 minutes. No, no, feel free, but it's. 997 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,160 Going to tie in with permadex. Yeah, Permindex is completely 998 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,400 entrenched. We can't separate what happened 999 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,560 with Permindex because because I think it's more of AX protect, 1000 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,160 you know, and look at you guys. What's going on right now. 1001 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,560 Elon changed Twitter's name to X. 1002 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,240 Everything's X. They're, they're, they're 1003 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,280 knowing you right in, in your face, literally like they're, 1004 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,000 they're kind of nodding to it. Then we've got Wernher von Braun 1005 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,640 writing Mars book about Elon before he was ever born, you 1006 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,040 know? That X protect is, is that's 1007 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,400 kind of a a nifty cool little term that dark journalist uses 1008 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,880 to describe this file that they're keeping from the public 1009 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,720 or something, right? How? 1010 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,520 He talks about that a lot, right? 1011 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,320 Yeah, it's basically the secret. It's OK. 1012 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,720 So how I said that, that Kennedy was trying to take back the 1013 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,480 space program under his thumb and put it underneath the Army, 1014 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,040 and they were having none of it. And they did not care. 1015 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,200 They were like, whatever, you can fire Alan Dulles, but we are 1016 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,560 all still soldiers. We're going to keep trucking on. 1017 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,360 And they didn't let the person in that took over. 1018 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,240 They didn't. Nothing changed. 1019 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,600 Alan Dulles was running everything from his house and so 1020 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,920 he wasn't going to give up anything and certainly von Braun 1021 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,400 wasn't going to work with Russians. 1022 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,040 There's the picture of them together and I'll paste it in 1023 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,240 later, but there's a picture of them by a rocket. 1024 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,600 JFK and Wernher von Braun looking up at the sky. 1025 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:59,440 And he died 2 weeks later. That is not a like accident, you 1026 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,760 know, And Bloomfield, not only was the other one involved with 1027 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,240 Oswald, Bloomfield's involved with Oswald. 1028 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,760 And so is Ruth Payne supposedly on the board of Permadex. 1029 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,440 And we know about Ruth Payne because she was in the seance of 1030 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:17,280 the 9 and she was literally where his wife stayed after all 1031 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,040 the crap hit the fan. So we're talking about all of 1032 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,720 the it's like the biggest spider web I've ever. 1033 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,720 I didn't even know. Like, I didn't even mean to 1034 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,760 know, you know? Yeah, ultimately I think 1035 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,840 Permindex is part of a web of Gray like that terminology. 1036 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,080 It's just web of groups who carried out these 1037 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:43,880 assassinations, Coos, leadership removal and and I think large 1038 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,160 money transfers to. I do think that there's a 1039 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,240 significant aspect of this at ties Switzerland then with the 1040 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,640 money. And, you know, when when we 1041 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,920 talked about doing this episode, I was going to focus on 1042 01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,680 permadex, but I accidentally opened up a Pandora's box that 1043 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,240 just, you know, got me down all these long, long roads where 1044 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,920 these tentacles just kind of wrap around the globe. 1045 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,440 You know, and, and I've heard researchers say that they think 1046 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,960 that there's a a fascist international connection of all 1047 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,440 this. And I agree. 1048 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:23,400 I think I found it. OK, so, so there's a story I 1049 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,560 came across in my, you know, my study of occult Nazism that in 1050 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:35,200 August of 1945, on the heels of Germany surrender, the Americans 1051 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,080 get a hold of Reinhardt Galen. He's a Nazi. 1052 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,480 He's he's Hitler's top spymaster. 1053 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,880 He's an Intel agent against Russia for the Nazis. 1054 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,520 Major, major Nazi. The Americans get him, they put 1055 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,520 him in a blacked out van and they kind of treat him like a 1056 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,640 war prisoner in front of the press. 1057 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,200 But once he gets in the van, they don't take him to jail. 1058 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,200 They take him to like a swanky tailor and they haven't fitted 1059 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,040 for a suit. And of course, overnight he goes 1060 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,240 for being a Nazi to working for us. 1061 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:10,520 And what we did was we took his Cold War assets and we just put 1062 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,080 them under our wings that they, they used his, his pre-existing 1063 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,520 spy network and just gave him a job. 1064 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,200 But he but what he did was he went on to build Galen built 1065 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:27,640 this very permadex like operation that I think is was 1066 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,760 working with permadex actually. But he but but here's the 1067 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,160 kicker. After Galen joins the US, Allen 1068 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,480 Dulles is involved with it. Allen Dulles funnels him 20 1069 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:45,040 million in CIA funds. Dulles then has Galen create 1070 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,000 this secret mercenary for us and he has them go on all these 1071 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,200 missions in other countries. So and some of those mercenaries 1072 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,400 working for Galen and work for Dulles, they went through ACIA 1073 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:03,320 base in Atsugi, Japan, where Lee Harvey Oswald was stationed. 1074 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,840 Oh wow. So that's another Nazi 1075 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,360 connection. So what we're seeing here is 1076 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,520 Nazis working with the CIA, working with Oswald. 1077 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:20,600 There's a clear tie here and and Galen may have been directly in 1078 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,240 contact with Oswald because Oswald was said to have spoke 1079 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,440 decent German. That's a part. 1080 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,680 Yes. Oh, they said super good. 1081 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:35,080 Yeah, that, yes, 100%. There's what I found here was, 1082 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,880 and this is the Pandora's box thing that just came that 1083 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,000 flooded me. Like there's multiple permadex, 1084 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,280 like, oh, like operations agree. A lot of them are ran by Nazis. 1085 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,720 And, and so you see this coming out of the 50s and running 1086 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,800 throughout the 50s and it leads right up to JFK, yes. 1087 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,640 And this. One particular just happens to 1088 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,400 be ran by Ran Hartgate. And Bloomfield is the attorney 1089 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:04,080 for Bronfman's. You want to talk about freaking 1090 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,880 Nazi connections like the Bronfman family and the 1091 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,040 Seagram's fortune. So you're not wrong. 1092 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,480 Like that's kind of the Canada version of that. 1093 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,560 And again, here we have, you know, he he's connecting with 1094 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,240 Lee Harvey Oswald. Why? 1095 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,280 Because he's this White Russian guy that's going to just be nice 1096 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,760 to him. That doesn't even make any 1097 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,760 sense. Like, they're not in the same. 1098 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,600 They're not in the same category of life, right, Like, at all. 1099 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,160 And then, you know, we got Demoren shield on top of it. 1100 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:41,440 He's got like a KGB cheat. They say that he was a KGB first 1101 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,000 cheat. Demore shield. 1102 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,560 Yeah, Yeah. And. 1103 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,160 Wrapped up in this. So he's in it. 1104 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,440 They're in it like President Bush, like all of it. 1105 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,760 And I'm like, OK, this is getting a little wild. 1106 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,800 Like I didn't know that this was all going to happen, right. 1107 01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,640 But when you talk about Demoren shield, they try and distance 1108 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,440 and say, oh, he just talked to him once. 1109 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,680 No, he begged for his life from President Bush on an actual 1110 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,280 paper. He said, can you help me with 1111 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,960 this whole situation? And he didn't do it. 1112 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,960 He didn't even acknowledge it. But he knew him from his. 1113 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,280 He was at like A room roommate, like an uncle of his roommate 1114 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,280 that's in in college. And they knew each other well, 1115 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,440 very well, you know. And then on top of it, he was 1116 01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,920 actually friends and acquainted with Jacqueline Kennedy's 1117 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,480 father. He tried to join the OSSCIA, but 1118 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,680 he was rejected because he's a Nazi sympathizer and possibly a 1119 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,680 German agent. So when we're talking about all 1120 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,000 these people, when we're looking at it, you know? 1121 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,840 It it it's. Definitely a German Nazi type 1122 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,320 connection. And he got killed. 1123 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,760 They called him for a congressional hearing and then 1124 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,040 he apparently unalived himself. Which? 1125 01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,240 Well, you know, I think personally, I think the OSS, 1126 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,600 which then turns into the CIA, I think all that was based off of 1127 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,040 the Nazis in the 1st place. I think they got that idea 1128 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,400 straight from the Gestapo, the German Gestapo. 1129 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,080 And you know, of course it turns into the CIA. 1130 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,960 That's, that's why we're talking about Allen Dulles here, because 1131 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,640 he's this menacing figure from history that has his, his, his 1132 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,440 hands in a lot of shady pies. But I, you know what else I 1133 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,680 found? Dulles actually I think funded 1134 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,840 permadex as well. Yes, I think he was on the the 1135 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,400 financier. So how shady, how shady is that 1136 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,080 he's he's funding and kind of ordering around and working with 1137 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,360 this ex Nazi doing this, this mercenary group and permandex. 1138 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,240 So I think they totally work together, like like games group 1139 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,400 and permadex probably work together. 1140 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,240 Oh, yeah. And then, yeah, I mean, there's 1141 01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:00,560 there's, like you said, that there's subpermindexes in Italy, 1142 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,080 there's subpermindexes in Germany. 1143 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,720 You know, they're talking about getting money from all these 1144 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:12,320 people, like basically senators, president, you know, German 1145 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,040 people that are questionable. Roy Cohn, who's even more 1146 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,800 questionable. You know, we're talking about 1147 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,360 some big players here, and you can't just write it off like 1148 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,600 people say, well, that that's weird. 1149 01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,480 There's no proof or whatever. There's a lot of declassified 1150 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,200 docs that do support. This. 1151 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,040 Oh, there's serious proof. For this, even, even in 1953 1152 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,920 when we overthrew Iran's leadership, that was Allen 1153 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,360 Dulles and Galen who did that. They put a California guy in. 1154 01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,720 Yep. That's why I said earlier, I 1155 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,040 think that some of these guys were given the keys to nations. 1156 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,600 Yes, absolutely they were. And, and when you look at the 1157 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,200 money behind it, I mean, it's obvious to me at least you know 1158 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,040 it. It's just wild. 1159 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,080 Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that the Galen story 1160 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:09,080 has a another interesting element here because he actually 1161 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,520 surrendered to American. I think it was like an American 1162 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:17,000 Army detachment in the Alps. So he, he saw that the end was 1163 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,520 near for the Third Reich and he gets out of Germany and he goes 1164 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,240 down or goes up into the Alps. He takes all his files and, and 1165 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,319 probably riches, I suspect, to Switzerland and he buries them 1166 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,120 in the Alps. But but you see this happening 1167 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,319 over and over again. If they don't bury it in 1168 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,040 Switzerland, they turn it over to bankers in Switzerland. 1169 01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,439 So I think, I think the role of the Swiss banks is significant 1170 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,680 in this way. A lot of these guys stored their 1171 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:46,080 money in Switzerland, where per. They were supporters, the Swiss 1172 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,960 banks, Credit Suisse is one of their supporters. 1173 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,960 And I mean, it's right there in black and white. 1174 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,840 Like you can see it like it's on declassified papers. 1175 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,920 I'm not just talking about the Torbit or like whatever, cuz 1176 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,720 people want to blow that one off all the time. 1177 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,040 And then you get into like IG Farben, that comes up, that 1178 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:11,319 comes up with interest and Nazi bankers and they're subsidized 1179 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,760 by Nazis. So all these people, plus 1180 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:20,080 Hughes, it seems like have their hands in in a lot of stuff. 1181 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,000 They probably shouldn't, you know. 1182 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,840 You can even see traces of this. They're not even traces. 1183 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,240 It's just out there in the open, like Switzerland. 1184 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:36,160 Their neutrality was a political move, yes, that that enabled 1185 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,399 them to be like everybody's favorite Baker and, and, and at 1186 01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,720 the same time simultaneously keep them out of wars and for 1187 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,479 conflicts and, and having to put all their money into defense and 1188 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,800 an army. And you see that they they, they 1189 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,200 emerge as this major global power hub where now you have 1190 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,160 Davos, you have CERN, you have the World Economic Forum Forum, 1191 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,600 you have the banking, all that's out of Switzerland, and of 1192 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,040 course, permadex. Oh, yeah, and and then we've got 1193 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:11,400 another little piece of the puzzle that heads back to the 1194 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,480 Mormon ties because the YAF comes up in this the Young 1195 01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:20,200 Americans for Freedom. And this is like supported. 1196 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:25,720 Well, it was completely made by E Howard Hunt and Co founder 1197 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,600 Douglas Caddy. But who funds it? 1198 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:35,000 Hughes, He's involved in it and E Howard Hunt, I mean, he's 1199 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,800 completely involved with this as well under William F Buckley. 1200 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,280 He's the one that founded it. But E Howard Hunt is with this. 1201 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,320 And who does that go back to? Once again, we go back to the 1202 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,360 Mullen Company with Bob Bennett. Bob Bennett comes up so much and 1203 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,560 people get mad at me because he's he supposedly was a super 1204 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,200 nice guy. He looks like he was a super 1205 01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,240 nice guy. That's great. 1206 01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:02,120 But I think he was way important and he, he was actually 100% 1207 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,560 involved in everything from Watergate. 1208 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,160 And he walked away clean. And I'm like, and then the 1209 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,280 church gets redeemed. That's weird. 1210 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,280 That's, you know, that's a lot of and then the other thing that 1211 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,120 I found that correlates all of it is skull and Bones and the 1212 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,360 Skull and Bones society with the Mormons. 1213 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,360 The family of the Mormon people were the ones that found it, 1214 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,720 Skull and Bones original, and they came out and set up a 1215 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,240 branch at the University of Utah. 1216 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,920 This wasn't like some just random thing that had no, this 1217 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,720 was their family and it was sanctioned, though it's not 1218 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,120 sanctioned on paper. Everybody knew it was. 1219 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,360 And so, you know, when you're talking about this kind of 1220 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,160 stuff, you're like, what's going on here, you know? 1221 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,960 The university secret societies like Skull and Bones, the Nazi 1222 01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,520 group, the Galen's group, the Permindex groups, they they have 1223 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,920 seems like they all have this one thing in common in that CIA 1224 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,640 back channels. Absolutely. 1225 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,160 They seem to be totally plugged into this international cabal, 1226 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,720 and I think it's groups like this that kill leaders and play 1227 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,360 out events like 911 even yes, we're. 1228 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,640 Forgetting. The modern times, like even even 1229 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,960 this recent Palestinian attack, the October 7th thing, which 1230 01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:26,640 kind of seems like it kicked off this war with Gaza, that wasn't 1231 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,720 necessarily Palestinians on parachutes, that was some sort 1232 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,440 of a shady group because it just came out that Netanyahu funded 1233 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,040 Hamas through Qatar. So I'm. 1234 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,600 Trying to it's always, it's always that. 1235 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,000 It's always like the. Deepest back to the secret 1236 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,840 groups and for me Nazis, and for you Mormons, well. 1237 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,200 Because yeah, that's what I was going to say. 1238 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,000 The YAF, if you look at J Reuben Clark, who's big in the church 1239 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,960 at that time frame, he's supporting the YAF. 1240 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,200 He's encouraging the YAF meetings. 1241 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:02,760 He's all about like writing these people. 1242 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,800 And then when you look at it, they're literal Nazis. 1243 01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,800 They're they're like lining all this up. 1244 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,280 Well, that's a really good way to hide communication as with a 1245 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,080 pen pal through a 18 year old or 16 year old or something in the 1246 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,000 in the church. You know, all of this is very, 1247 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,120 very dirty and it, it doesn't look clean at all. 1248 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,760 And then when you get into Jack Ruby, he's popping up too. 1249 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,840 He's popping up in all this stuff. 1250 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,520 And so, you know, you're looking into the family ties. 1251 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:39,080 You're looking into, you know, pictures with Ruby and Nixon, 1252 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,320 with Prescott Bush, like just very interesting things that 1253 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,040 like, well, why would that happen? 1254 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,360 Like why are mobsters with other people that are supposed to be 1255 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,680 on the up and up in the? CIA this, you know, Yes. 1256 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,720 Yeah. And what this reminds me of is 1257 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:58,440 this Herm I found. It's the regarding D Spina, 1258 01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:01,760 which is another secret group of Nazi mercenaries like Permandex. 1259 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,960 They they were called in kind of regarded a political mafia by 1260 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,280 researchers. So, and, and that's an 1261 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,840 interesting group too, that, that's a group that was formed 1262 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,880 by a Nazi named Otto Scorzini. This guy, they called him the, 1263 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,720 the Grand Theft Auto. That's wow. 1264 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,760 He, he robbed the Reichsbank in right in 1945, right when Galen 1265 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,920 is, is getting suited up to work for us, he, this former Nazi 1266 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,680 goes and robs his own Reichsbank. 1267 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,560 And so they call him Grand Theft Auto and he uses that bank 1268 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,480 robbery to like become wealthier. 1269 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,640 So wow, he becomes this like Nazi mob boss living in Spain. 1270 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,880 He somehow makes it to Spain. He had help. 1271 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,280 I think Dulles probably helped out and stuff like that. 1272 01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,600 But he emerges, he gets out of Nazi Germany, emerges as this 1273 01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:55,360 wealthy mobster in in Spain and he's running his own global 1274 01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,000 mercenary group and he had contacts with Galen as well. 1275 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,800 So he this guy, he helps, he helps thousands of former Nazis, 1276 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,320 helps him get out, helps him escape. 1277 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,120 And then he employs them as mercenaries in this de spinach 1278 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:14,560 group. And this gets so crazy because 1279 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,960 like they work with, it's almost like after the war, they're 1280 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,200 willing to work with anyone because they even did a they 1281 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:24,800 even helped Mossad at one point. Basically, they helped Israel 1282 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,280 assassinate a an Egyptian rocket scientist who was going to build 1283 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,080 bombs for Egypt. So they had. 1284 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,520 I think you're right. I think there's no beholden 1285 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,480 because on on Permandex we've got Nazis with Jewish people. 1286 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,520 Yeah. I mean, that doesn't make any 1287 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:46,120 sense, but it it did. Apparently during sometime 1288 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,320 during paper clip when when we brought all these Nazis over, 1289 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:55,120 apparently our government had them lodging with Jewish guys 1290 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,760 for one reason that was part of the program was like they were 1291 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,520 integrated with these Jewish people. 1292 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:04,400 It's like I've never been able to fully wrap my head around 1293 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,800 that. But apparently it's it's an 1294 01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,920 aspect of history that really happened. 1295 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,960 That's wild, I did not know that part and it may. 1296 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,200 I wish you could track like where they went because, you 1297 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,200 know, we get things that pop up here and and Wernher von Braun's 1298 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:23,080 in this theological film with, you know, the Mormons. 1299 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,000 And I'm like, what is that? What is that? 1300 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,040 There? He nobody else is allowed in 1301 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,840 that film but Mormons, but he's in it somehow. 1302 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,480 And you get like Thiokol and you get like the Mormons are very 1303 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,400 obsessed with space. Thiokol makes the O rings. 1304 01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,600 In fact, they were the reason why the Challenger didn't work 1305 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,760 out because they were making these O rings for space and the 1306 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,680 space shuttle. And so you know that people had 1307 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,200 to have come here for all of these big companies to be here 1308 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:59,360 with space and and on top of it, the CIA and the NSA and it there 1309 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,360 was the IRS until this week. That was weird. 1310 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,640 See how that? Yeah, yeah. 1311 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,520 We'll see how that plays out. Apparently everybody listening 1312 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:14,000 that the IRS were sent home in some some towns across America. 1313 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,320 Yes, they was. That's crazy, but like. 1314 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,040 They are one of the biggest employers in this little in, in 1315 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,800 one of our it's not a little town, it's it's like our next 1316 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,120 kind of biggish city and it really went downhill. 1317 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:32,080 Ogden was very big back in the day and then it kind of went 1318 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,760 downhill after the 70s, eighties and it was just kind of 1319 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,200 recovering. And it's just going to decimate 1320 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:39,720 it. It's going to decimate it 1321 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,680 because I mean it, people lost their jobs and everybody's like 1322 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,280 hurraying about all this stuff. And I'm like looking back in the 1323 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:53,000 background going, yeah, I don't know, you know, if people start 1324 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,880 going without Social Security checks, if people start going 1325 01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,960 without disability checks, yeah, I'm not going to Hooray that, 1326 01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,040 that I don't care how much money they give to the rest of us. 1327 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,080 Like that's not OK with me. These people have put into it 1328 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,160 their entire lives for Social Security. 1329 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,200 That's the last thing you should ever touch. 1330 01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:13,880 And I get that they're doing it to, like, stop the fraud. 1331 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,760 But then what are what are those people do? 1332 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,320 I mean, yeah. And they're living, you know, 1333 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,000 check to check already. I don't know. 1334 01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:28,160 But this all stinks to me like of of like international 1335 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,120 connections that I don't think I could have ever thought about. 1336 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:36,360 Like, OK, the Bronfman family and the Bloomfield family are 1337 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,520 talking to Mormons. But this happens again in the 1338 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,680 80s and 90s through again, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, through 1339 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,160 the Mullen company, once again, Bob Bennett. 1340 01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:50,600 And they end up doing this weird thing. 1341 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,920 And I've spoke about this before on on my channel where they end 1342 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,680 up playing a quid pro quo game, right? 1343 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:02,760 Like this lady gets put in Beverly Brough Campbell and and 1344 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,200 they make her this like basically she's hooking. 1345 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,160 She's the Madam, but it's not sex. 1346 01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:13,040 She's hooking up the people at these concerts for the Mormon 1347 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,280 Tabernacle Choir. And it's like the Pope and like 1348 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:22,200 the Mormon, you know, profit or it's like the CIA guy and the 1349 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,920 Mormon prophet or whoever these fancy people are. 1350 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,960 And for like 1200 or 2000, these are not regular tickets sold to 1351 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,360 you and I for these expensive tickets where they can probably 1352 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,440 write them off later, right, as a business interaction. 1353 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,640 And then they get big, comfy red chairs to talk about whatever 1354 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,080 they need to talk about that night, and it becomes a problem. 1355 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,840 Yeah. So. 1356 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,280 Yeah, like you said, I mean, I would, I found stuff too in this 1357 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,400 that I was not expecting to find. 1358 01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,240 It's it's way bigger, way more widespread. 1359 01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,960 May way more far reaching than than I thought and and and it's 1360 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,920 a lot of it has to do with this spy stuff for me, like moving 1361 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,920 money is crazy, but like they seem to like guys like Oswald. 1362 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,160 That's what I've come to find in this research with this JK 1363 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,120 stuff. They they like, and I think it's 1364 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,480 because Oswald really was this kind of double O 7. 1365 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,640 You know, I was trying to remember one of these. 1366 01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,560 I'll just say, we'll just say James Bond. 1367 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,160 I was trying. There's another movie guy I was 1368 01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,480 thinking of. I can't remember his name right 1369 01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:35,880 now, but like, you know, international globe try spy 1370 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,560 guys. And yes, they love guys like 1371 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,000 Oswald. And I think it's because they 1372 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,280 were they they're trained in the ways of military OPS and CIA 1373 01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,520 OPS. And you know, Oswald had a book 1374 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,000 written about him before. Did you know this before JFK? 1375 01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,480 There was a I knew a book about him. 1376 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,240 I think it's the one that talked about him being in an orphanage 1377 01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,720 when he was young. Is it that one? 1378 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,600 I think it may be it's, it's Thornly he he's OK, he served 1379 01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,520 with Oswald on a base because and that's another element to 1380 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,800 this Oswald. If you look into his past, he 1381 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,040 jumped from base to base to base. 1382 01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:15,920 So because they were training him spy stuff everywhere. 1383 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,600 So but but by the time he gets to Thornley, Thornley found him 1384 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,440 to be such an interesting guy that he writes this book about 1385 01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:24,360 him. And he did see him as this like 1386 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:29,680 Casablanca double O 7 type and he talked about how he thought 1387 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,240 Oswald was AMK Ultra mind recipient. 1388 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,200 I think it may have been and I will tell you for RFK, it 1389 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:41,640 definitely gets into that. And I will say this is that when 1390 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:46,080 they look at the mind control aspect of things, they know what 1391 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,920 they're doing the whole time. Like they are programming this 1392 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,760 from the get go. Like he didn't just get chosen. 1393 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,200 There was probably something, my guess is in his testing, right, 1394 01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,080 that showed like maybe he gets, you know, hypnotized easier, 1395 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,480 which is the case with Sirhan Sirhan and even Bobby Kennedy, 1396 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,080 one of his things. And I think, you know, this is 1397 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,000 what really put the heat out for him. 1398 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,480 When we get into, you know, the next one that was the Patsy, 1399 01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:18,400 unfortunately, is, you know, all these people are surrounded by 1400 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:23,680 completely like just on every level, some sort of three, three 1401 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,320 letter agency. Even his wife, even his wife, 1402 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,960 even though she was supposedly like a prostitute or whatever, 1403 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,000 you know, he gets married to her and takes her out of Russia like 1404 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,280 her dad. Yeah, yeah. 1405 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,480 And her dad was like, yes. And I'm like, he literally had 1406 01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:44,400 no chance. Like it's kind of sad if they 1407 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,560 weren't. That ties into Galen. 1408 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,640 I I think because Reinhardt Galen had this has such an 1409 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,200 extensive spy network establishing Russia. 1410 01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,240 I think he was helping Oswald move around and navigate in 1411 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,920 Russia. And I think he, I got, I think 1412 01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,680 he got him in there, got him in touch with this General Oswald 1413 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,680 ends up with the guy's daughter and then Galen gets them out of 1414 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,480 Russia somehow and over here with no problems. 1415 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,600 He's no problems, Yeah. And then we've got Mayhew, who 1416 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,720 is another actually Mission Impossible is his life is 1417 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,960 supposedly that's like his life, I guess. 1418 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,160 And so we've got him on the other side, one generation up 1419 01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,200 that's doing the same kind of stuff, you know, and. 1420 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,040 Jason Bourne a minute ago. That was the name. 1421 01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,280 Yeah, yeah. It's so weird cuz he's like 1422 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,760 literally involved on every level cuz he didn't just work 1423 01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:44,320 for the FBI and the CIA and for Howard Hughes and he's in with a 1424 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,880 mob. I mean, I don't think you can 1425 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,440 get any further. Like really. 1426 01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:52,040 He's international as well. So I'm like all these people 1427 01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,800 that they can basically use, but like nothing ever comes back on 1428 01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,840 them. That's they they get away the 1429 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,320 whole element. Comes into this though, they're 1430 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,520 they like guys who have been in these programs where their heads 1431 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,400 have been tinkered with. I think that's where you see 1432 01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,480 this MK Ultra connection here. And like Thornley said that he 1433 01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:14,160 thought Oswald was a Nazi breeding. 1434 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,040 It was part of a Nazi breeding program, which is way but but 1435 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,640 you know, so there's a connection. 1436 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,480 Is it? Is it when you start talking 1437 01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:27,840 about the Epstein stuff that's coming out recently, I mean. 1438 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,640 I, I definitely see it as a possibility, but I also see the 1439 01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:36,120 MK Ultra thing. I think it, it seems like a lot 1440 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:42,160 of these assassins in, in modern times were, were part of MK 1441 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:43,880 Ultra somehow or a program like it. 1442 01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,080 I mean, they were all like reading the same book to they're 1443 01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:52,080 all reading Catcher and Rye. Yeah, when we get into RFK, the 1444 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,800 doctor that basically performed all of it on Sir Han, Sir Han, 1445 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,560 which is sad because he's still alive and he's still in prison. 1446 01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,000 Yeah. And he just ran his mouth all 1447 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,640 the time to his hookers and, and it came out later like he was 1448 01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,080 like, yeah, I freaking, you know, did that. 1449 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:09,920 That was me. Like, I think he wanted the 1450 01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,400 clout, you know, cuz he kind of had a big ego. 1451 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,440 And it's funny because some of them do that and some of them 1452 01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,960 don't. But we sit there and watch, you 1453 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,680 know, the fruits of their labor turn into a nightmare. 1454 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,880 You know, it's sad. And even Bobby Kennedy, like I 1455 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,440 said, said I wished I had paid attention to the Howard Hughes 1456 01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:32,520 stuff earlier. And so that tells you right 1457 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,040 there, you know, what will somebody do for money? 1458 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,000 You know, not like what, what did you need, Howard Hughes? 1459 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,840 You had enough money that it's still going and will still 1460 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,800 continue to go for who knows how long, you know? 1461 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,080 And it's wild. Diamond that was. 1462 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:51,520 That was Sir. It. 1463 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,640 Was it was. So there's this doctor, he was a 1464 01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,720 MK Ultra Berkeley psychologist, guys, part of an MK Ultra 1465 01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:04,040 project called Doctor Diamond. He, I think he was involved with 1466 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:08,680 Sir and Sir Han and with Mark Chapman who shot John Lennon and 1467 01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,880 both Mark Chapman and Sir Han. Sir Han mentioned Catcher in the 1468 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,200 Rye and Chaplin had a copy of Catcher in the Rye on him. 1469 01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,800 After he shot Lynn, he sat down and started reading it. 1470 01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,880 I think Hinckley, Hinckley, who shot Reagan, was reading it too. 1471 01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,320 But there's like this clear connection between 1472 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:30,360 assassinations in that book. Like it was. 1473 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,240 Like there's. A There's activation triggers in 1474 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,040 the book that signal certain parts of your brain to make you 1475 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,720 feel a certain kind of way or something like something is 1476 01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,440 happening between the hemispheres. 1477 01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,480 Because why does Chapman sit down and start reading this book 1478 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:48,720 after he shoots someone? It's almost like he couldn't get 1479 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,120 enough or he wanted to get into a certain mind state or 1480 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,440 something like before. He got or a trigger like Sir 1481 01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:58,600 Han, Sir Han, Sir Han has stated on the record it was a doctor 1482 01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,720 William Teeter, a psychiatrist, I I believe. 1483 01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,640 Now that's just a quick Google search, so I'm not 100. 1484 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,080 That could have been the one at core Yeah, yeah. 1485 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,480 And so he he said, well, I think he was the one that definitely 1486 01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:19,000 concluded that he had been hypnotized and he actually 1487 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,840 thought that he was at a shooting range and he liked 1488 01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,200 Kennedy. He had been quoted by saying 1489 01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,960 like all kinds of nice things about Kennedy and, and all of 1490 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,160 it. So he thought he and, and 1491 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,520 honestly, he wasn't the one that killed Kennedy. 1492 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:38,880 And even RFK Junior knows it. And it's sad, but, you know, 1493 01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,640 we'll get into that one because it hooks back into, you know, 1494 01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,840 all of this, which is so weird. And so does Martin Luther King. 1495 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,600 But what what the end thing is about the Kennedys, that why, 1496 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,320 why are they so special? You know, why are people coming 1497 01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,960 after the Kennedys? They were the first people that 1498 01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:01,520 were going to integrate blacks and whites and different things. 1499 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,640 They they were very above their time on that. 1500 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,880 And we get back into that Nazi brotherhood of the North type 1501 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:15,160 stuff and all this, you know, white supremacy thing that that 1502 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:20,000 goes back into Theosophy. Weird enough, you know, and, and 1503 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,560 she kept coming up and all my stuff, Anthroposophy and 1504 01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,760 Theosophy in both of them. And I was like, and I know 1505 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,920 you're going to do an episode with me on that, so I'll wait 1506 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,680 for that. But it was weird to me that this 1507 01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,320 kept coming up. I was like, why is why is this 1508 01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:36,840 coming up? And then aliens. 1509 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,600 It was like the weirdest deep dive I've ever done, right? 1510 01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,200 Like I'm like, what? Hey. 1511 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,320 There's, there's Theosophy connections, the Nazis. 1512 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,200 We're drawing heavily from the teachings of Theosophy. 1513 01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:51,920 You know, we can get into this later. 1514 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,120 I don't think. Oh yeah, I don't think Helena 1515 01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,440 Bablaski was all bad. I think her I think some of her 1516 01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,040 messages were taken and used for bad when they weren't 1517 01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,640 necessarily. Well, they kind of put her in 1518 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,920 like a prison, like a mental weirdo prison there for a 1519 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,960 minute. So we'll wait on that. 1520 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,680 Yeah, but you do you do start waiting in the realms of the 1521 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,200 occult with this stuff. I mean, even the even the SEMK 1522 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,320 Astra thing, like it's they had Sydney got the Gottlieb, the CIA 1523 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,920 had this guy Gottlieb, right? And he was drawing, he was 1524 01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,800 drawing inspiration from the Nazis, but he was, but he was 1525 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,960 taking this esoteric approach and he was looking into like and 1526 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,160 no key. This guy worked for the CIA and 1527 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,480 he's looking into Enochian magic and occult sciences and he's 1528 01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:36,880 trying to find uses for all that stuff within the CIA. 1529 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,120 I mean, demonology, ritual, magic, remote viewing, he was 1530 01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,960 messing with all of that and wow, he's dosing people with LSD 1531 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:50,680 and he's feeding them these new age occult theories just kind of 1532 01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,720 like like Charles Manson did with the Manson girls. 1533 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,120 It's like Charles Manson was trained to do that from one of 1534 01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,680 these. It is like he was trained and 1535 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,960 where was he? He was also in an orphanage for 1536 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,880 a time, and so was Lee Harvey Oswald. 1537 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,400 And it's very interesting to me on all of that. 1538 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,680 And you know, this Permandex rundown, this was quick and 1539 01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,240 dirty if I went into every single place because the 1540 01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:20,720 Bronfman's, you could do 3 episodes on just the Bronfman's 1541 01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,040 part in it or just, you know, the Bush part on it. 1542 01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:28,200 But we, if we did that, I think people, we would lose interest a 1543 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,960 little bit here because I think if you want to go deeper into 1544 01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,560 that, that's awesome. I had a great time doing that. 1545 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,240 But I don't know if that many facts, just shooting at people 1546 01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:39,920 is great. Yeah. 1547 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,960 And so I want to explain that because people are going to say 1548 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,600 you guys miss this and you guys miss that. 1549 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,680 Of course this is a spider web. Of course. 1550 01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,680 Yeah, it's, it's more so the stuff it's, it's the guilty by 1551 01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,560 association stuff. It's the stuff that surrounds 1552 01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:00,720 permandex that I, I wanted to focus on, like going deep into 1553 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:05,040 permandex itself. I mean, I don't know, I, I feel 1554 01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,720 like I learned more about how that works by studying some of 1555 01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,480 the other operations just like it that we know more about like 1556 01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:16,320 there's more historical data on like for instance, like what 1557 01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,520 Reinhardt Galen was doing and how, but he, he has an almost 1558 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,880 identical network to Permindex. So by studying what he did, I'm 1559 01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,600 learning how something like Permindex would have operated 1560 01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,840 and would have been possible. And still probably is. 1561 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,920 They just had people that kept their mouth shut. 1562 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,960 They went to prison. I mean, some of these guys went 1563 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,360 to prison, you know, E Howard Hunt, I believe it was, that 1564 01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,720 went to prison. I mean, I think the reality of 1565 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,360 this is that we don't have a lot of data on permindex. 1566 01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:49,560 There's only so deep you can go into this. 1567 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,320 There's a lot of papers and a lot of things, but it's all 1568 01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,400 saying the same thing, right? It's all the same thing. 1569 01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,040 Or it's or it's not 100% reliable like the Torbit 1570 01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,360 document. A lot of what we know about 1571 01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:08,280 permadex goes back to that Torbit document, and that was 1572 01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,080 LBJ's guy. There's somebody from LBJ's camp 1573 01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,800 here. So you can't, you have to take 1574 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,360 it with a grain of salt, but he did leak. 1575 01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,480 It's like the 1970s version of a leak on the Internet. 1576 01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:24,000 He did leak stuff in that. But you know, I don't know. 1577 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,080 I, I didn't, I was like, oh, I could, I could. 1578 01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,560 But Bloomfield, it'd be an interesting guy to go into. 1579 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,200 I think we did. Bloomfield is definitely very 1580 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:37,720 interesting and they did hide things really like where he was 1581 01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,640 the attorney, they said on the letterhead they like, removed 1582 01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,640 him after some of this stuff started coming out, but he was 1583 01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,240 still working there. Like they did some little stuff 1584 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:48,960 like that. And back in the day, I guess 1585 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,560 that's what you had to do. But like now with the Internet, 1586 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:56,120 if, if it's out, it's out. But I am curious what he's going 1587 01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:00,120 to let out because it's going to go back to this Roy Cohn. 1588 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,920 It's going to go to resorts. It goes from Roy Cohn. 1589 01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,800 Well, it goes from the Meyer like whole situation with the 1590 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,160 Mormons and with Bennett and the Mullen company, which like I 1591 01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,880 said, leads to Watergate. Then it goes into this whole 1592 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:19,280 situation with Roy Roy Cohn and Resorts International, and where 1593 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,520 does it land? It lands on Trump, and you would 1594 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,760 think he would want to keep that on the DL. 1595 01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,080 So they have to have a reason. That's why he didn't do it the 1596 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,000 last time. He promised the last time, and 1597 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,960 he didn't do it. Well, we kind of know why Uncle 1598 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,040 John's in there, his best friend's in there. 1599 01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,760 Like all this weird stuff's in there and I'm like, it doesn't 1600 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,240 make a whole lot of sense for him to release it. 1601 01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:47,320 But obviously RFK's on board, so it must be good enough at 1602 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,160 whatever they did. And you know who else wanted to 1603 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,080 release the the aliens was Nixon. 1604 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,960 And, you know, he was a super good friend of Donald Trump. 1605 01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,840 Yeah, that, that that connection is fascinating. 1606 01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:05,240 I mean, later in life, Nixon, Nixon moves to New York, gets an 1607 01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:10,120 apartment in on Park Ave., hangs out with Trump to the point 1608 01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,600 where they like we've talked about this, they they had the 1609 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,960 same minister there in in, you know, a church there. 1610 01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:21,840 But anyways, like Trump gets a letter of recommendation from 1611 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,200 Nixon to to chase after the presidency. 1612 01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:29,360 And I think Nixon even wrote in there, you know, my wife has 1613 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,960 foreseen a victory for you. So he. 1614 01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,160 Had a. He had a psychic that saw it. 1615 01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,280 He was all into this weird psychic. 1616 01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:45,080 But the Nixon stuff is crazy because Nixon may have actually 1617 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:51,440 done the deed of taking all the UFOs files and everything we had 1618 01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:55,000 and making them privatize and turning them over to the 1619 01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,360 aerospace companies like Lockheed and Boeing and Ray 1620 01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:01,680 beyond. So, and that would explain why 1621 01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:07,520 this, this fight of disclosure has gone on as long as it has, 1622 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,800 because it's some, somewhere along the way, it's almost as if 1623 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,320 it got out of the hands of the of the government and went into 1624 01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,040 the hands of these private companies. 1625 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:19,200 And I think Nixon, there's a case to be made that Nixon was a 1626 01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,120 part of that. And it just makes sense that 1627 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,160 maybe Nixon shared some of that that with Trump. 1628 01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:29,160 But also when you look at stories surrounding Nixon, like 1629 01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:33,320 the Jackie Gleason story, Jackie Gleason know that this big actor 1630 01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,520 who was friends with Nixon, apparently they were drinking 1631 01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,520 one night. And I don't know if they hopped 1632 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,120 on Air Force One or they got in a helicopter or what, but they 1633 01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,200 ended up Nixon took him to one of these bases like a like a 1634 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,720 secret facility and showed him some UFO stuff. 1635 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,600 I don't know what it was, but whatever it was, it changed 1636 01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,320 Gleason's opinion and it changed the man overnight because he 1637 01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,120 went on to build it a house in the shape of a UFO. 1638 01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,360 He overnight became interested in the topic. 1639 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,000 His Gleason's wife attested to it. 1640 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,840 He just became a UFO fanatic almost overnight after this, 1641 01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:15,120 whatever Nixon showed him. And I think it goes to show that 1642 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,520 Nixon had access to that stuff and was probably hands on in the 1643 01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,560 process of moving it to the aerospace world. 1644 01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,560 I definitely think they've got their hands on a lot of it. 1645 01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,440 And one thing's for sure, there's little nods all along 1646 01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:33,520 the way with the Mormons, like with Wernher von Braun, and 1647 01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,480 they're friends with Disney and all this stuff. 1648 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,720 It can't just be Freemasonry, you guys. 1649 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,560 There is a brotherhood. And I do believe there is a a 1650 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,960 cabal that runs this world that we have no idea what it is. 1651 01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,600 We get little glimpses, like you said, we see little things, but 1652 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,000 I think each one of them has their piece of the puzzle. 1653 01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,360 And they're like, you don't get mine. 1654 01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:02,160 I don't get your like, they're all holding so tight, you know? 1655 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,040 And they're never going to just let that go because it's 1656 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,440 complete power. It's complete power. 1657 01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:11,160 There's no way they wouldn't have a whole index, a permanent 1658 01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,800 index of people to kill unless there was a reason to do that. 1659 01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:19,240 And I I think it's that. In my opinion, this is the way 1660 01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:23,080 you study a group black permadex by studying some of the groups 1661 01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,280 just like it that surround it and you know another one and 1662 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,680 you're right there. There are decent there's 1663 01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,000 multiple groups. Sometimes they work together, 1664 01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:34,440 sometimes they feud, sometimes they they they're isolationist 1665 01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,640 because they do act like a nation with and they have enough 1666 01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,320 power. But you know, there's another 1667 01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:42,840 the Bilderberg group. It's, oh, it fits into this in a 1668 01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:48,520 way too, because it was formed by an ex Nazi who, who was you 1669 01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:52,200 said IG Farben earlier he was on the board for Izie Farman. 1670 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:55,040 Is this guy named Prince Barnhart of the Netherlands? 1671 01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:59,480 He was a former Nazi. He was, he was in bed with 1672 01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,760 Martin Bormann and Juan Peron down in Argentina. 1673 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:09,200 Those guys went to Prince Barnhart for help, so he's, you 1674 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,200 know, he's got all these connections as well. 1675 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,480 Well, and I think possibly JFK might have snubbed. 1676 01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:20,680 So if the if it's true, what they say that Hitler lived and 1677 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,680 they went to visit them in Barrow Loche, right. 1678 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:28,200 He was one of the ones that never went, but Trump did. 1679 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:31,880 Right, right. Yeah, There's only a couple 1680 01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:33,680 presidents to hit and go down there. 1681 01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:37,920 Yeah, and I. JFK and and Carter maybe? 1682 01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:42,760 I think it might have been yeah, I, I know JFK didn't go and I 1683 01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:47,600 think maybe he did an, you know, he was his own man. 1684 01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,280 And I get that. But also, his dad's ties were 1685 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:55,080 just wild. And so, yeah, I get that he was 1686 01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:58,560 trying to break away from daddy and like, what dad was up to, 1687 01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,760 but it was in too deep by that point, you know? 1688 01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,880 And when he started doing that and snubbing people and doing 1689 01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,400 stuff, and I'm not saying he deserved it. 1690 01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,520 I'm just saying we're not overly surprised. 1691 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,400 Right? Like Onassis, Jackie marrying 1692 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:17,520 Onassis is a huge red flag. Like huge. 1693 01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:22,720 Onassis had a former Nazi banker as his banker. 1694 01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,240 He had Hitler's banker working for him. 1695 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:29,680 And he's on, he's in the financing of Permandex. 1696 01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,800 Like, once again, we get back to these key players and maybe she 1697 01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:35,160 was just sick of being cheated on. 1698 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:39,200 I'm not saying that he didn't deserve it, but I mean, not to 1699 01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,920 be killed, but like her to be mad at him, right? 1700 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,400 But there's a better way. But then they were Catholic, so 1701 01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,040 maybe they couldn't get a divorce, you know? 1702 01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,600 I don't know. But I'm just saying, like, all 1703 01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,960 these things, when you start to look at them from backward, I 1704 01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:55,760 mean, yeah, it's such a huge thing now. 1705 01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:59,600 But then if somebody was like, you know what, my husband, he's 1706 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,280 just, it's impossible. And the Maryland thing, and that 1707 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,920 was bad. And, you know, talk about MK 1708 01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,000 Ultra people. But her showing up and singing, 1709 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,960 Mr. President, I do feel like it possibly pushed her over the 1710 01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,600 edge, you know? I think this goes back to that 1711 01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,360 joke that it's it's a big club and you ain't in it Joke. 1712 01:40:20,440 --> 01:40:24,120 Yep, Yep. I think all the clubs that we 1713 01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:28,320 talked about today, I mean, it's, there's way more to be 1714 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,920 discovered on, on all the even this Bilderberg group, like I 1715 01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,400 think that they're connected to this whole thing too. 1716 01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:36,280 But you got, you know, you've got permadex. 1717 01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:41,080 Bilderberg, Reinhart. 1001 Club. 1001 Club. 1718 01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,720 There's Naumann. He was, he had a FDP or 1719 01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,520 something. He was another former Nazi who 1720 01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,560 had another one of these groups. They all, it's a network like 1721 01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,960 you said, it's a yeah, it's a web and you know, it's 1722 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,680 interesting I think. And they're all philanthropists. 1723 01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,320 Do you notice? This that's, yeah, there's, 1724 01:40:57,480 --> 01:40:59,520 there's got to be some tax benefits to that. 1725 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,160 Yeah, that's so funny. And then we see all these people 1726 01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,920 get in kind of trouble. Like I said, they go forth on 1727 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:11,280 the Watergate business probably trying to keep more the same 1728 01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,600 type down the same line of secrets. 1729 01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,840 And then all of a sudden the Mormon churches in out of the 1730 01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,560 red when they've been like that for for years and years and 1731 01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,240 years. But hey, he just cut the 1732 01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:24,160 building fund. That was what he said. 1733 01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:30,840 And he's a Canadian socialist and I, he's squeaky clean. 1734 01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:35,520 Him and James O Golden are the two hardest people I've been 1735 01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,280 able to even study on James O Golden. 1736 01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:41,000 It's like, Yep, he was inner interpool. 1737 01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,000 Yep, he was intertel. Yep, he was a spy. 1738 01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,480 Yep, he was all these things. And he worked for Howard Hughes. 1739 01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:49,640 And then he worked for, you know, the right after Howard 1740 01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:52,480 Hughes gets there, the international H1. 1741 01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:55,520 And then it's just like, oh, that's it. 1742 01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:01,520 Not even his obituary said much. I mean, his was locked up and 1743 01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,120 so, but what was funny was he must have turned code on all of 1744 01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,920 them because after he's there for just like maybe one year, he 1745 01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:13,920 comes back here and he he's over the, the crimes for the mob. 1746 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,080 I was like, you were working for the what? 1747 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,600 You were working for the mob like that. 1748 01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,000 That ought to be a dangerous job. 1749 01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,520 I'll tell you what. But it's like that with these 1750 01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,440 things. And it's not just Mormonism. 1751 01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:29,040 I mean, Catholics, we could do this. 1752 01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,560 I bet we could find another Catholic Permandex. 1753 01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,960 We could find, you know, I mean, they're everywhere And it, it's 1754 01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,360 just like you said, it's like the elites that are hiding in 1755 01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,080 plain sight. That's what. 1756 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,520 This boils down to and I think a lot of researchers haven't 1757 01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,080 touched permandex because is so dense. 1758 01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,320 It was so hard. It's almost like you need a like 1759 01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,520 a whiteboard or a blackboard because I mean, I'll think of 1760 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,040 all the names that we went through today and we did not 1761 01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,080 even go through all no of the people. 1762 01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,440 To just organize it, to know which way. 1763 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,640 Yeah, it was too much. I have like probably 50 or 60 1764 01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,160 pages of notes on this and all these books and everything. 1765 01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,720 My husband came home the other day, the whole beds covered and 1766 01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,880 just crazy stuff. And I'm like a mad scientist in 1767 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:15,640 there. And he's like, what? 1768 01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:17,720 What are you doing? I thought you had it all your 1769 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,320 notes. And I'm like, I don't know how 1770 01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,760 to tell the story. How do you I I don't know. 1771 01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,120 Yeah. I was like, is this important or 1772 01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:26,920 is this important? Or is this more important? 1773 01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,640 But you don't want to make it like 20 shows because you're not 1774 01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,200 going to have very many people stick around for 20 of this. 1775 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,920 I mean, I would because I'm fascinated, but I. 1776 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,440 Think what's interesting is maybe we struggled with 1777 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:43,720 something that Garrison himself struggle with because Garrison 1778 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:49,440 is looking into who killed JFK and he stumbles across permandex 1779 01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:52,240 and the weird church and the. Weird church, yeah. 1780 01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,960 Yeah, and all this stuff, it just opened up this doorway for 1781 01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,120 him to the shadow world of elites and how they interact. 1782 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,080 It was probably overwhelming for him. 1783 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:03,240 Oh. I'm certain of it. 1784 01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,440 And plus, people are dropping like flies. 17 people. 1785 01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:10,960 Everybody you try to bring in is dead and so, and not just them, 1786 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,320 like their families and and like, it's just this horrible, 1787 01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,960 you know, death situation. So I don't blame him for 1788 01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:22,680 wrapping it up. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't blame 1789 01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,480 him either. That that's why. 1790 01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:27,680 And I'm serious. Like you go and search sperm 1791 01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:31,040 index, you know you're not going to get much on this because it's 1792 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,920 so dense. Even if you search the players, 1793 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,960 it's so extended. Like, like he said, you're going 1794 01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,520 to go into Nazis and then you're going to go into Italian 1795 01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,800 fascists and then you're going to go into the mob and you're 1796 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,000 going to go into Howard Hughes and you're going to go into the 1797 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:46,760 Mormon church. Like really? 1798 01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:49,840 I mean, every time I open something else and I would see 1799 01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,400 another thing, I was like, Oh my gosh, I just wanted to do one 1800 01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,960 thing. I was just trying to talk about 1801 01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,320 this one thing. And it was only because Bob 1802 01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,200 Bennett's ties to Howard Hughes, you know, And I was like, oh, 1803 01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:03,600 this will be simple, blah, blah, blah. 1804 01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,800 No, it wasn't. But it was it was it was 1805 01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,600 definitely eye opening and like, I can't imagine being Garrison 1806 01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:14,240 and knowing one thing, there is nowhere for you to hide. 1807 01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:19,960 So for him to prosecute Clay Shaw anyway, I'm sorry he had 1808 01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,560 some falls of still. Like I don't know that I could 1809 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,280 have done it. I'd have been terrified. 1810 01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,560 You can't go relocate to anywhere. 1811 01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,360 They're everywhere. They're everywhere, every 1812 01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,720 country and so. Garrison, I just thought about 1813 01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,760 something. Garrison was talking to this 1814 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:41,920 editor of Ramparts magazine and Garrison, I think, told him that 1815 01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,000 he had the suspects in the GfK assassin. 1816 01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,960 They should narrow down to people within characters within 1817 01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,440 the aerospace world. So I, I love that connection 1818 01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:55,120 because that that's what gets us into and it kind of helps 1819 01:45:55,120 --> 01:46:00,200 explain how we got to UFOs. And, and believe me, well, and 1820 01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,200 then you get right back to the Oswald. 1821 01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,880 They have the UFO files apparently. 1822 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,400 If Nixon handed it all over aerospace is who knows the truth 1823 01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,280 about UFO's. It's not the government. 1824 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,720 Right and then you get back to the seance of the 9 and you go 1825 01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:19,000 well, this poor sucker, he was just surrounded Oswald. 1826 01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:24,920 I actually have a lot, a lot of sadness for Oswald because AI 1827 01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,520 think everybody in the world knows he didn't do it. 1828 01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:33,240 B, there's no magic bullet and C, he's literally from every 1829 01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:37,720 person that he was around, even speculating his parents were 1830 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,480 involved in it. They literally said that. 1831 01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,480 Oswald could have done it. I think he was trained to do 1832 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:49,040 assassinations, but I don't think I think he was there to 1833 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,400 take the fall probably. I mean, when you look at his 1834 01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:55,080 activities in the school Book Depository, he was standing on 1835 01:46:55,080 --> 01:47:00,800 the 2nd floor, not sweating, not, you know, just calm as a. 1836 01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,040 Cucumber and. Right after the shots rang out, 1837 01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,960 but there was somebody in the elevator apparently. 1838 01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,320 So, you know, somebody may have been up there and taken a shot, 1839 01:47:10,440 --> 01:47:11,600 but it wasn't. I don't think it was. 1840 01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:13,560 Oswald, I agree with you. No. 1841 01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,800 And I feel and I mean, you know, he was doing what he needed to 1842 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,680 do, I guess for his job. But at the end of the day, like, 1843 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,640 it is weird too, because then you brought up the depository 1844 01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,840 and who owned the depository. We get back to that. 1845 01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:29,920 Exactly. And then you get into what 1846 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,000 happened to to Bird's son and his family. 1847 01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:37,080 And that's a whole rabbit hole because he it was so weird. 1848 01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:41,120 They just found him like he was lost and they couldn't find him 1849 01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:45,040 for weeks because he was going to go give a talk on all this to 1850 01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,600 a reporter. And he's just found dead in a 1851 01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:51,880 different pair of clothes, emaciated and looking like he'd 1852 01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:55,200 been like a prisoner of war. I mean. 1853 01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,080 Was that bird, son? Son, son. 1854 01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,120 That was the bird who went to Antarctica, son. 1855 01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:02,480 Yes, right. Yes. 1856 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,400 And the other bird is his cousin, yeah. 1857 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:11,040 The bird who owns the School Book Depository is the cousin 1858 01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:12,640 from Antarctica. Cousin. 1859 01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:17,800 Yes, isn't that weird? But you know, and it's in Texas. 1860 01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,960 He owns a building in Texas and they're they're in the aerospace 1861 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,320 world and all this. So it's just. 1862 01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:26,200 Well, and he came back and said, what about that second time when 1863 01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:29,600 he took his son? He took that son with him when 1864 01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,680 they come haul and tell back and said we ought to get out of 1865 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,240 there, right? Like, there's, there's aliens 1866 01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:37,360 there. There's they're chasing us. 1867 01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:41,080 And he told some reporter off the cuff, like all this crazy 1868 01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:42,800 stuff. And then they shut him up and 1869 01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,120 put him away. And he was smart. 1870 01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,200 He left little like things all over the place so he could kind 1871 01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:50,800 of protect himself. Yeah. 1872 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,560 They're still, they're still like he has documents out there 1873 01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,120 probably that hasn't been discovered yet. 1874 01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:56,920 He's get there in somebody's attic. 1875 01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:01,440 But yeah, this goes back to that Operation High Jump I was 1876 01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:03,880 talking about, which is not declassified. 1877 01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,440 Still, that's what there's something there they don't want 1878 01:49:06,440 --> 01:49:09,920 us to know about, and it seems like it has to do with UFOs. 1879 01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,160 I mean the whole bird Antarctica thing is fascinating. 1880 01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,920 So. Like something, and I think it 1881 01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,840 involves the Nazis like. I'm not sure. 1882 01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:26,000 Into it this late in a program, but they they were something 1883 01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,360 happened down there with the Nazis with with with I don't 1884 01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:30,760 know if there were aliens or not. 1885 01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:34,840 That seems to be something like that happening when you really 1886 01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:37,680 look at it. But like when they would bird 1887 01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:42,120 went down to Antarctica and when they descended on Antarctica, 1888 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:46,640 they came they've landed everywhere but where the Nazis 1889 01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:50,160 had established a base. It's almost like they landed and 1890 01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:54,440 work in a position to surround the Nazi base. 1891 01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:59,240 It has the Nazis, Yeah, somehow with whatever. 1892 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:04,200 For sure they didn't lose anything except their position 1893 01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:08,240 of where they lived. And I'm not convinced that 1894 01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,120 Hitler deceased the way they said either. 1895 01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:14,480 And yeah. It's just the, it's the, yeah, 1896 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,240 it's just this UFO component to this that that's super interest. 1897 01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:22,080 I mean, this has been polarized to the Max, this UFO stuff, so 1898 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:25,040 it's hard to get to the truth. But like the Nazis, I believe 1899 01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,840 they were developing anti gravity, but it's not what 1900 01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,480 people think. I don't think they necessarily 1901 01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:34,600 were building UFOs, but they they were, they got an object to 1902 01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,720 lift off the ground. And we don't know how how much 1903 01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,600 further they got from that. But like, if, if Hans Kamler 1904 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:45,120 survived, if he was, which I think he did, if he was able to 1905 01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:48,440 make it to South America and if he was able to get black budget 1906 01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:52,480 funding from Argentinian President Juan Peron, I, I think 1907 01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,440 he could have developed a UFO probably sometime. 1908 01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:59,920 For sure, for sure the. Guy who had this facility under 1909 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:03,760 Kasai Castle in Poland where they were working on the bell. 1910 01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:05,960 Kamler's this. Massive. 1911 01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:09,720 Mystery he's he was over the Nazis like secret weapons 1912 01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:11,800 program. Nobody knows what happened to 1913 01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,200 him. They He didn't die, he went 1914 01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,640 somewhere. He's like Enoch. 1915 01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:18,960 He translated. He's like gone. 1916 01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:23,320 Yeah, no, it's it's wild. It's like a big rabbit hole. 1917 01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:26,480 Well, if anybody would have been able to build or construct 1918 01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,440 something UFO like it would have been Kamler, because he was 1919 01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:32,440 already working on it. He right able to get stuff 1920 01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:36,320 lifted off the ground. So like, you know, you know, 1921 01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:37,520 this is a whole other rabbit hole. 1922 01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:42,320 But you do see stories like I think it's Michael Herrera who 1923 01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:47,160 came out with a story sometime in 2006 where he and his unit, 1924 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:51,240 he was U.S. military, his unit landed in Indonesia after a 1925 01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:55,360 tsunami and they were trying to figure out where they were. 1926 01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,920 I think they were lost. So they went up on top of a hill 1927 01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:02,200 to see to get directions. And once they get up there, they 1928 01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:05,040 see in the valley next to them, there's a ship there. 1929 01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:10,480 There's a UFO sitting there. So they suit up and go down 1930 01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:14,240 there and investigate and they get surrounded and subdued by 1931 01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,400 some, some one of these international forces of 1932 01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:19,240 mercenaries. Nobody knows who they were. 1933 01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:22,560 They're wearing black. They were military trained 1934 01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,440 because they are over to they were over to like are they are 1935 01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:31,160 able to like subdue our our military, which is hard to do. 1936 01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,560 And they had like they had like an accent, like an American 1937 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:35,360 accent. I think. 1938 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:39,880 So somebody along the way judging my stories like that, 1939 01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:43,120 somebody figured out how to build a UFO and they've got. 1940 01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,040 Oh, definitely. Something. 1941 01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:49,120 They know they're all making these end of the world 1942 01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,800 fortresses. All the rich people, all this 1943 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,400 stuff happening, they know stuff we don't know. 1944 01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,400 There's no way it. Seems like Hughes knew about 1945 01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,160 this too. Just, oh, he knew things, he 1946 01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:01,480 said. He knew this. 1947 01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:05,760 Technology. He knew I think he possibly 1948 01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:10,280 either gave he who has the king plays, plays with the castle, 1949 01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:13,440 right? They took him and they had him 1950 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:17,400 until his death. What they gleaned from that I 1951 01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:19,640 don't know. But I do know the Mormon Church 1952 01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:24,120 loves to talk about their keys and that they have the true form 1953 01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:27,680 of Masonry and that they have the key and, and you know, 1954 01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:31,400 they've never been able to flex on the Catholic Church as much 1955 01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:36,320 as I've seen them flex lately. And I think that they're putting 1956 01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:39,080 their cards. I think everybody knows time is 1957 01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,680 going fast and everybody's putting out their cards. 1958 01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,440 I think it's time to look at the hands, right? 1959 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,840 Like everybody's ready. It's time to show your cards. 1960 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:52,080 And I think it's a freaking wild ride. 1961 01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,400 And I think the stuff that we get to see as just small people 1962 01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:59,840 watching is nothing to what the game really is. 1963 01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:03,200 Just like how Canada just flex back on us with Mexico. 1964 01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,760 And what did Trump do? He had to stop those tariffs for 1965 01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:09,280 them. So I'm just saying this game 1966 01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:12,440 isn't quite what it seems to be. No, it's not. 1967 01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,680 It's not like we're just living in an age of discovery where 1968 01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,680 we're getting these little glimpses into how things really 1969 01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:22,240 run. And if you guys were unsure of 1970 01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:27,360 Tesla's sheer capability, he got arrested for making an 1971 01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:32,920 earthquake. So I mean, we're not talking 1972 01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:36,920 about he knew how to lift a cup from here to there. 1973 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,880 What we're talking about some serious business. 1974 01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:46,160 And so the one lovely thing I think about Tesla is, is, well, 1975 01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:49,880 a, he was horribly underrated. And I, I mean, I think that was 1976 01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,360 purposeful on his end. I think he was sick of everyone 1977 01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:56,440 after they screwed him over enough, but also he was really 1978 01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:59,840 altruistic with with what he wanted to do. 1979 01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,320 And I do think that's why he just gave up. 1980 01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:06,240 But when he would talk to people about like developing your, your 1981 01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:10,360 senses or or whatever, you know, to make yourself better or 1982 01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,800 higher power type thing, he would, they would say, well, how 1983 01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:17,160 do I do this faster? Go walk an old person in their 1984 01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,800 wheelchair, go push them, stuff like that. 1985 01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:24,120 Like it's all goes back to what God says, what love one another. 1986 01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:29,040 So it's just so hard for us to figure it out, but like not all 1987 01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:30,160 of us. But I'm just saying. 1988 01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:32,960 What an interesting case study that guy was. 1989 01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:36,560 I mean, you know, he's, he's got a place on the table when we're 1990 01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,200 talking about advanced technology. 1991 01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:43,000 You know, that's The thing is, is, I mean, if we would have 1992 01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:47,680 used Tesla's technology, we would be in a living in a, in a 1993 01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,680 different society. You probably you probably would 1994 01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:54,760 have to pay an energy bill every month to some company And and 1995 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,360 you know, I could keep going, but there's. 1996 01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:59,520 Which is why. Which is why they didn't want 1997 01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:03,200 him to do that. You know, they they've hoarded 1998 01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:05,240 it all. I'm sure they had all of. 1999 01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:09,520 This yeah, because they could profit off of it, yes. 2000 01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:14,120 That's why we have these stupid power line poles up that they 2001 01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:17,040 just they look dumb and they you know, anytime a storm comes 2002 01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:18,960 through you don't have power. It's dumb. 2003 01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,880 We could have done it underground using Tesla's model 2004 01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:26,080 and it for free the the Earth you can, you can move energy 2005 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,640 around within the Earth for free. 2006 01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:31,880 It's so it's so dumb. It's just, you know, everywhere 2007 01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:35,240 you look, some rich guy has gotten a hold of one of these 2008 01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:40,720 brainiacs, got either shut down their technology or used it to 2009 01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:43,680 make a profit and. Well, do you know, even Howard 2010 01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,880 Hughes's dad did that, you know, his fancy drill bit that he, and 2011 01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,400 not that he wasn't smart, he was an attorney and everything. 2012 01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:55,040 But his fancy drill bit that he got, he was sitting by some guy 2013 01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:57,520 at a bar that was like, look at this invention. 2014 01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,280 And the guy would. And he was like, hey, I'll give 2015 01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:03,360 you 200 bucks for that. He's a millionaire, you know? 2016 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,320 And back then, that was a billionaire. 2017 01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:06,240 Yeah. So. 2018 01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:11,160 Yeah. Tassel fits in T Townsend Brown. 2019 01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:15,360 There's a lot of these guys who were stumbled onto this 2020 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,600 technology that could have changed, could have the world 2021 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,280 the way we live and, and, and instead that technology was like 2022 01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:26,760 grabbed up or kept under wraps. Harvard. 2023 01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:30,040 And it's, and, you know, not, not to run in circles too much 2024 01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:33,000 around Trump, but it seems like Trump is Privy to some of that 2025 01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:36,360 technology. Oh, he definitely, definitely 2026 01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:39,400 is. And so with that, we will say we 2027 01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:42,080 won't condemn the man. I'm not into that. 2028 01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,600 But I will say this, we have to watch the fruits of his 2029 01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,320 laborers. And right now I am concerned. 2030 01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,640 It's a lot going on at a really fast pace. 2031 01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,880 And I just don't know that that's how you make a good 2032 01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:59,120 change in the world. It's just a lot right now. 2033 01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,520 I think these things should be slow and thought out and 2034 01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:04,440 methodical. And you've got somebody like 2035 01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:08,160 Elon doing crazy salutes it. It does concern me. 2036 01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:12,200 I don't trust him at all. Trump is one thing, but Elon, 2037 01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:17,080 no, that's another. So with that, we will say we 2038 01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:19,560 always give it to God. He's got our back. 2039 01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:21,920 And you know, we know how this thing ends. 2040 01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:23,920 They can only do this for so long. 2041 01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:27,000 And that's why they are not happy about it and want to keep 2042 01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:29,760 us around. You know this. 2043 01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:32,520 Has been great. I mean, we had a. 2044 01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:34,480 Fun time. Yeah, we did. 2045 01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:37,160 Definitely we did. And so hope you guys liked it. 2046 01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,120 I know they've waited forever for the Permindex episodes. 2047 01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,760 Here's permindex Plus. It's more, it's more than 2048 01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:46,640 Permindex. So it's definitely more than 2049 01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:49,880 just one topic. And and that's because I think 2050 01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:53,280 it is more than one topic, and it's probably here to stay. 2051 01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,400 Yeah. So with that, Tim, let people 2052 01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:57,920 know one more time where to find you. 2053 01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,240 Yeah, thanks. It's been great. 2054 01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:03,960 And like I wouldn't go back and redo this episode for anything. 2055 01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:07,880 I think, I think, you know, learning how an operation like 2056 01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:12,920 this works and how it does work and and just how it's, you know, 2057 01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:16,400 it's just this web like you said, but but we don't have to 2058 01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:21,160 know exactly what played out what permadex to understand what 2059 01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:23,440 kind of stuff they do and what kind of stuff they're up to. 2060 01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,600 So anyway, I just want to say yes, I really, really enjoyed 2061 01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:28,840 what I gleaned from from this episode. 2062 01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:34,200 But yeah, I'm Tim Constantine. My show is 6th sensory podcast. 2063 01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:39,360 I'm on Spotify, Apple, YouTube and Patreon, and Instagram on 2064 01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:43,720 Instagram. Oh, Yep, and IG and I am Heidi 2065 01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:45,880 love I'm everywhere podcasts are served. 2066 01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:50,960 I do have a Patreon and on my own website, Unfiltered Rise dot 2067 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:56,080 com, a podcast.com and then I also do YouTube, but I only drop 2068 01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:58,800 there once a week because some of the stuff I talk about just 2069 01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:02,080 gets me in trouble there. So twice a week on Spotify, once 2070 02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:04,120 a week. Otherwise, if you find me on 2071 02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:06,480 YouTube. So I appreciate you, Tim. 2072 02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:09,080 It's always a blast. I always have a fun time chat. 2073 02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:12,240 So thanks again. Bye.