1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,080 Drew, I'm ready. Sorry I fucked it up. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,440 Go again, Drew. Andy, I've got something I want 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:22,460 to talk Hello, Andy here from Tracks of 4 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:26,780 Our Queers, the podcast in which I interview fascinating LGBTQ 5 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:30,580 plus people about the music that has soundtracked their lives. 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,560 Brand new episodes of Electric Conversations are just a few 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,320 weeks away, but right now I'm indulging in the artist who has 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,600 soundtracked my life, the one and only mother that's with an 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,120 A, not an ER, and the only woman who could resurrect the infamous 10 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:51,400 Oral Fixation, the podcast I Co hosted with my bestie Drew from 11 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,520 2019 to 2022. Drew, like me, is an enormous 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,800 Madonna fan. So the two of us were chomping 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,240 at the Mike a mere 36 hours after the release of Confessions 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,640 2 just last week. This album is a special one, 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,200 incredibly contemporary and future facing, while deeply 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,920 referential and reverential of her fascinating past. 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,160 It's been a bumpy ride at times for Madonna fans pretty much 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,200 since the first Confessions album, but this record is a 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,920 triumph. So if you're interested in 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,000 listening to two homosexuals violently agree with each other 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,080 regarding the creative pursuits of a 67 year old woman, you're 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,800 in the right place. If you're more interested in the 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,240 less unhinged, somewhat calmer reflections of standard tracks 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,520 of our Queers programming, mark your Diaries as I'm looking to 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,000 kick off Season 7 before the month is over. 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Finally, tech cheques and Airpods are a vibe kill. 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,120 It took us half an hour to get Drew set up for this chat and 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,120 then my microphone went and did me dirty. 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,400 So forgive me in advance. It can be very airpod voice noty 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,480 at times, but for now it all started like this. 31 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:13,670 I have a confession. Go on. 32 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:17,270 I'm Kim Cattrall. You're Michael Patrick King. 33 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:22,680 You've been trying for years to get me to return. 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,960 And like Kim Cattrall in the Season 2 finale event, just like 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,520 that, I said I've got some demands they included. 36 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,960 I don't want to touch an editing piece of editing software. 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,400 I barely want to touch social media. 38 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:45,760 I'll repost whatever's posted and it has to be a discussion. 39 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,960 About mother and we docusigned that contract earlier today and 40 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,840 that is what's led to the first oral fixation episode in about 5 41 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,920 years, maybe half a decade, half a decade. 42 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,400 I've been following tracks of our quiz, Your Side project with 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,320 gusto, with aplomb. I love it. 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,120 Let the record let me say this on my I love it so much. 45 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,800 You're Kirstie Young. I said this to you off my you're 46 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 a journalist. I actually feel really nervous 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,360 right now because I'm out of practise doll, you do this every 48 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,400 week. I've been standing around, we've 49 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,200 had listeners, we've had half an hour of tech fuckery. 50 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,840 Let's just say that. But we got. 51 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Here we are, here we are. And so over the years we've 52 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,840 danced, we've flirted with the idea of if we were ever to come 53 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,640 back to orphitation, what would it be? 54 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Would it be KD Lang? Would it be steps? 55 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,360 I've got Will Young, Will, Will Young. 56 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,520 But it took mother to bring us back together and we had a 57 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,200 request from a fan, I believe, didn't we? 58 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,880 A fan was like. We did shout out to Liv. 59 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,920 We did so obviously on Friday the 3rd of July. 60 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Confessions 2 drops and with it I dropped everything. 61 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,360 We all collectively dropped. Any gay man over 35 dropped 62 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 everything. I'd say actually 28 around about 63 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,560 now I think. Reckon is that OK? 64 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,880 That's the word on the street. So funny how conversation so 65 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,760 quickly turns to my gals and we were chatting about it and deep 66 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,640 sister-in-law of the pod live said to me we need and you were 67 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,560 all fixation episode and I said it'll just be Andy and I 68 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,080 violently agreeing with each other for an hour and a half. 69 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,800 So if you've tuned in, if you've tuned in because I don't know, 70 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,720 you've seen this pop up on the Internet or that could be a bit 71 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 presumptuous of me to assume, but maybe you just maybe this is 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,240 in the tracks of our quiz feed and you're like, oh. 73 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,080 Maybe I should be? Yeah, like I'm really what's 74 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,160 happening here. Before we go any further, just 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,840 know you're about to listen to two faggots violently agreeing 76 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:02,400 with each other. All right? 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Don't say we didn't warn you. Twas ever thus. 78 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,080 Why now? Why this sperm right now? 79 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,000 I've got my thoughts. I think that this isn't the 80 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,640 first time that a new Madonna album has dropped since we've 81 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,600 been friends, since Oral Fixation was Life Has Been Life. 82 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,000 But there's something different about Confessions too, and it 83 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,680 feels certainly in the corner of the Internet that I'm occupying. 84 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:37,440 This is being lauded as her best album since Confessions on the 85 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,040 Dance Floor, so it warrants discussion. 86 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,440 I've I have got something to talk about. 87 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,640 I actually don't think that this is necessarily the sequel to 88 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Confessions that it's been branded as. 89 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,920 I think that's a brand. I think there are two things 90 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,360 that tied to Confessions, I think the transitions and the 91 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,600 flawless mixing exec producing by Stuart Price, and that it's 92 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,280 dance music. Beyond that, after having 93 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:08,560 listened to this start to finish maybe about 11 Times Now, I 94 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,400 don't really see any other connective tissue too. 95 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,760 There are Sonic siblings. There are. 96 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,640 Sonic Siblings. But just as much as it connects 97 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,840 to confessions, it also connects to erotica. 98 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 Bedtime Stories, Ray of Light. I really feel like this album is 99 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,520 looking reflectively at that kind of golden period where 100 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,080 every album was untouchable. And yes, it has Stuart Price's 101 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,720 amazing exec producing fingers all over it, but I actually 102 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,080 think this is the musical output of all of the energy that she 103 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,520 put into being determined to make this film of her life. 104 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,520 And then that didn't work. So then she went on tour and 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,120 that was great, but then she still wanted to do this creative 106 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,200 thing about her life. So then she tried to do the TV 107 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,600 show, but she couldn't buy back the script to the film. 108 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,400 So she was like, suck it, I'm going to make an album. 109 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 This album is the biography of her life. 110 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,800 I believe that she couldn't turn into a film or ATV show. 111 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,960 That's really interesting. When it dropped, we were 112 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,560 violently agreeing with each other on the text and I kind of 113 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,120 hinted at the same thing. I said it's not. 114 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,320 It is a sequel, but it's not just a sequel. 115 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,560 To your point, I think I said something around along the lines 116 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,400 of it picks up on all of the strands of her DNA that have 117 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,240 really worked and builds on them. 118 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Or MDN AM. DNA My question to you then is 119 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,200 if you think it is this kind of it's obviously very biographical 120 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,920 dance interior is the story of her beginning even from the 121 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 first, the beginning of the album. 122 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,760 I feel so free which you've heard. 123 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,560 Before. But hearing it at the beginning, 124 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,320 in that context of it being part of the whole album and it and 125 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,040 that those that line, by the way, it all started like this. 126 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,000 It is very autobiographical. Do you, I'm probably shouldn't 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 ask this question And no, it might piss you off. 128 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400 I don't care. Do you think this is her last 129 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,600 great album? Wow. 130 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,720 Well, that's a question of which the events of the last few days 131 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,600 have just thrown out of the window. 132 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,880 I feel like this is the appropriate Segway. 133 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Now to reflections on the last what it's been like to be a fan 134 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,640 for the last 20 years or whatever, because since this 135 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,760 first Confessions album, the albums that have followed, 136 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,880 there's been moments of greatness. 137 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,120 But every time an albums come out, I've found myself having 138 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,360 these conversations, as many Madonna fans have of will we 139 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,919 have to get an album as good as Confessions again. 140 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,799 Now that is entirely unusual for an artist to has dabbled in all 141 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,280 these different genres, but pretty much from so you've got 142 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,200 this imperial phase where it's all of the singles through the 143 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,760 80s through to the Immaculate Collection, let's say. 144 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,800 And then from that onwards you've got erotica really 145 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,680 through erotica through to Confessions, Untouchable albums 146 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,640 where yeah, there's some dubs on all of them, but they're stand 147 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,800 out amazing Madonna albums. And then so from Confessions 148 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,960 onwards, every album I think maybe sold half as much as the 149 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,240 previous album. Yes, we were into the streaming 150 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,320 gear by then. So C DS weren't moving as much, 151 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,920 but there was this sense of diminishing returns every time. 152 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,480 It was like, it's something's amiss here, right? 153 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Has she just given up on music? She's turned her attention to 154 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,960 clothing lines and opening up gyms around the world and 155 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,960 growing a family and unhinged selfies on Instagram, etcetera, 156 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,280 etcetera. So to your point of do you think 157 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,200 this is the last great album? The last few years for me and 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,320 many of the Madonna fans have been really challenging. 159 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,440 I really thought we're not going to get another good album again. 160 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,480 It's that ship has sailed, justifying extreme Occident. 161 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,480 Has been right. I don't search I. 162 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Find. But overall, yeah, it's been 163 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,400 really rough. And there's been a lot of 164 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,080 gaslighting going on. I feel like we've, me and you 165 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,360 would have been around dinner party tables or like, online 166 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,800 discourse where we have defended mother against the onslaught of 167 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,520 ageism and misogyny. But I myself have often gone 168 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,120 inward. And for Is she too old? 169 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:23,320 Is it all over? Has this untouchable woman who 170 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,200 always would create greatness? Are those days over? 171 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,040 And in the last few days I've been proven wrong. 172 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:41,120 I feel like we have just received the dividends of an 173 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,400 investment, if you will. I think we've invested in Mother 174 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,880 and we've had a couple of decades where that investment 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,360 has wobbled and wavered and we've doubted. 176 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,320 And she's just proven why we invested all along. 177 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,680 What do you think it is? What is the special ingredient? 178 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,800 Is it Stuart Price? Is it moving labels and this 179 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,440 sort of the marketing and the storytelling behind it being 180 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,760 stronger? Is it that she's just returning 181 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,760 to this place that she feels really comfortable? 182 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,320 What do you think is the reason that this is the time that the 183 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,280 dividends are finally showing returns? 184 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,640 I guess it, I can't assume too much beyond what she shared with 185 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,760 the public, but I think definitely having a near death 186 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,880 experience a couple of years ago when she had that bacterial 187 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,400 infection where she was in a coma. 188 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,760 And that's the closest this kind of totally invulnerable woman 189 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,160 was totally. Vulnerable with the world? 190 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,640 And then to rally herself and then go on this kind of greatest 191 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,880 hits world tour of which she hasn't done before, where we 192 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,720 could see her vulnerabilities on stage. 193 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,120 We could see that she couldn't quite dance like she once did. 194 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Maybe her vocals were a bit wobblier. 195 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,560 But it's like the those rooms were so full of love because 196 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,240 this woman had rallied herself through a near death experience 197 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,960 and was finally celebrating her back catalogue in a way which 198 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,240 felt authentic to herself and to fans. 199 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,520 It was like, oh, she's had this second chance, this new lease if 200 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,960 anything. So I think that has been a big 201 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,640 part to play in it. I think certainly getting back 202 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,720 in a room with someone like Stuart Price, who is a highly 203 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,640 trusted collaborator, he was her musical director on the 204 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Celebration tour. So that seemed to be like a kind 205 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 of reunion for them. I don't know the insurance and 206 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,320 outs of how record labels work, but for sure, she left Warner 207 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,440 Brothers, went to Interscope for these albums, which were on the 208 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 dodgier side. And she even said to herself, 209 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,040 there's this infamous comment that she posted on her manager's 210 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,920 Instagram in, I think 2019 where she was like, what I'd give to 211 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,640 just be allowed to work in a room with one trusted artist 212 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,400 rather than being forced to sit in these writing camps with 213 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,920 people who can't sit still for more than 15 minutes. 214 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,880 And it's OK, Shay, they might have ADHD, but she was 215 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,440 recognising what other people have recognised before. 216 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,400 Can I just say I had been blocked by mother on Instagram 217 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,920 for raising this very topic with her since 2015. 218 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,440 Let's not run on. Well, that that brings me to my 219 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,000 next question, which is do you think there's a correlation 220 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,720 between her following Ingrid back and suddenly something? 221 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,240 It's Ingrid, it's Ingrid for sure. 222 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Look, there are through lines there. 223 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,400 There's through lines is. Ingrid a bit mugged off that she 224 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,440 didn't get to cameo in the Dance Materia film clip. 225 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,720 And she didn't. Did she get name checked? 226 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Let me. Just get her on the phone. 227 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Can you? This is where I think Oral 228 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,560 Fixation sung the most, which is me student you teacher. 229 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,160 Obviously I got a couple of the references from the dance 230 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,880 material rundown, but what are some of the really big hits in 231 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,880 there? Can you talk us through who was 232 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,640 in that club with her? What was going on? 233 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Get on the elevator. I run into Debbie Mazar, the 234 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,120 biggest to the third floor. Walk us to the dance. 235 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,400 Floor I can't I really can't imagine someone listening to 236 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,120 this podcast episode who hasn't heard dance material yet. 237 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,120 But if you haven't, it's the story of her arriving to New 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,920 York. Essentially Debbie Mazar the 239 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,120 Debbie Mazar Sharp's Debbie Mazar met her 42 years ago. 240 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,520 Still best friends to this day. Love it for someone who is known 241 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 for forming these relationships and casting them aside when she 242 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,200 gets bored of them. Love to see Debbie stick around. 243 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,680 There's the doorman of the Danceteria club, the B52's David 244 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Buck, who's the DJ that they'd like to coke with him to get 245 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,840 this her songs played. Right, yes. 246 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,960 So Mark Hamans, I think that's his name. 247 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,440 He was the infamous Danceteria DJ. 248 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,440 And so the story goes that she would go to the club, she'd 249 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,240 stalk the club with a cassette with everybody on it, Everybody, 250 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:58,200 someone dancing, everybody get a bell, do your thing. 251 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,640 And she finally, yeah, did, maybe did a bit of blow, got in 252 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,840 the DJ booth, got him to to hit play. 253 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,560 And that's where it all began. It all starts like this. 254 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,520 You said something to me that I, I, yeah, I violently agreed with 255 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,440 where there are many moments on this album where it could have 256 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 been a disaster. And I think from what I when I 257 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,240 remember seeing the track list for this album come out and 258 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,640 seeing the subtitle dance materia, it didn't excite me. 259 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,240 I thought, oh, this could be a real cringe fest. 260 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 This could be like a real, I don't know. 261 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,200 I don't know what to expect. I just thought it could just go 262 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,600 terribly, but it's flawless. What do you think? 263 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,280 I've got to say, I had one of the things that we've spoken 264 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,520 about quite a lot when Madam X came out and it was sort of, we 265 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 were starting to see signs of it in Rebel Heart, but Madam X 266 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,560 really was the moment for me where and this is not. 267 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:57,200 I really need to make a point that this is not intended in any 268 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,560 way that is ageist. It's just a fact that when we 269 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,200 age our voices change and perhaps the notes that we could 270 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,800 hit when we were 2530, we can't hit anymore. 271 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Madonna, as she has aged, has probably been able to hit less 272 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,400 of the notes. She can still give it a good red 273 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,840 hot crack and there are moments of brilliance in this record. 274 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,120 But the thing that I struggled with I think most with Madam X, 275 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,480 other than the fact that some of it was just fucking bad shit 276 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,200 crazy, is that the production, some of the production on her 277 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,040 voice on a significant number of the songs made it so that it was 278 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,480 actually quite sort of. I found it a little bit 279 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,640 difficult to listen to or not necessarily pleasurable to 280 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,920 listen to her voice because of the auto tune or whatever 281 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,120 treatment had been given to it. And taking pleasure in listening 282 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,080 to music is one of the baselines for me. 283 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,480 I want to enjoy the sound that I'm hearing. 284 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,160 So when I Feel So Free came out, which is the first song that we 285 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,360 heard, I was a little bit trepidatious because there is a 286 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,160 bit of that sort of, I don't know, like auto tune up to 11 287 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,160 kind of treatment to it. And I was like, oh, OK, how's 288 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:07,960 this going to go? I'm going. 289 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,000 To say I wish you I could be like other people, it's just not 290 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,520 cute. But I'm really delighted to say 291 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,920 that doesn't really carry through in the album. 292 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,200 Look, obviously her vocal range is shorter and she's working 293 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,240 with that within that range, but she's doing it really 294 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,920 comfortably. There are no skips on this album 295 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,480 to me so far. You've said you've listened to 296 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,120 it 11 times. I'm probably sitting at about 297 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,080 5:00, but there really are no skips. 298 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,720 I absolutely love every single song on this album and it's such 299 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,520 a treat. It is an overwhelming experience 300 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,880 as a Madonna fan to kind of get this, and I think that we 301 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 haven't had that since Confessions, maybe because of 302 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,400 Apropos, the fact that it is all one thing, it's one continuous 303 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,360 product that you're being given. So that might have something to 304 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:08,000 do with it. But I am, I don't want to say 305 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,840 relieved because that feels disrespectful, but I'm just so 306 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,520 elated that I love it and that everyone else seems to love it 307 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,080 too. I think I am relieved. 308 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,320 I don't know, and I don't say that I don't mean that in a 309 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,120 disrespectful way. I am so relieved. 310 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,960 I feel validated. I don't want to labour on this 311 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,440 capitalist metaphor of finally getting the dividends from an 312 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,120 investment that I feel like I've had to. 313 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:36,560 I haven't had to, but I've wanted to defend this woman, 314 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,560 this artist so much because she's made some very 315 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,240 questionable artistic choices in the last 15 to 20 years that I 316 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,280 haven't fully agreed with that. Before that, she was the 317 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,240 blueprint. She is the blueprint. 318 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,280 You've got an untouchable run of 80s, nineties singles. 319 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,640 You've got the albums I've already talked about, which are 320 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,160 all fully incredible. We're surrounded by pop stars 321 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,280 today who openly on their their sleeves say the ray of my album 322 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,440 is why I do this, the erotica album is why I do this, blah 323 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,920 blah blah. And so I've tried to remind 324 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,840 people that she might be a bit cringe on at this award show 325 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,640 with dodgy filler. She might be wearing this really 326 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,640 bonkers outfit. She might be posting these 327 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,800 cringe selfies, but don't disrespect her pot respect on 328 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,640 her name. And then I've walked away and 329 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,000 thought, why should they? She is being a bit cringe. 330 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,000 So for this entire campaign, not just the album, the entire 331 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,840 campaign has been so flawless. It is a relief to me as a fan. 332 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,200 It's no, I wasn't making all of this up. 333 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,520 I wasn't imagining how good she was. 334 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,920 She actually is this girl. She just had her. 335 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Yeah, it's real. It's real. 336 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,240 Do you think I want to thinking you sound. 337 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Are you OK? If you're wondering if I'm OK, I 338 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,600 am OK, yeah. Plant based. 339 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Fran wants to know. Are you OK? 340 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,160 Yes, shout out to plant based Fran. 341 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,200 We miss you, Fran, we miss you and we miss the emails. 342 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,080 I want to take us back. I want to take us back to the 343 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,280 original and I'd like to hear from you. 344 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,720 Andy, what was your experience of the first Confessions album? 345 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,240 How did that come into your atmosphere? 346 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,160 I wasn't the psychotic Madonna fan then that I am today. 347 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,600 I was familiar with things like the Ray of Light album and I 348 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,160 remember my sister having the Erotica album, but I wasn't a 349 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,600 fan. I became a fan when I watched on 350 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,360 Channel 4 the broadcast of the Confessions tour. 351 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840 So of course when the album came out, I was familiar. 352 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,760 In the ether of this is a pop star who's been around for a 353 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,120 while and she's having this big moment where everyone loves the 354 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:53,560 album. Hung Up is amazing. 355 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,120 I remember buying Get Together on the iTunes store, but it was 356 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,240 still just like, she was just like another pop star to me. 357 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,560 And then I was watching. I was in my childhood bedroom 358 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,680 watching. Channel 4 on. 359 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,840 TV on this tiny TV and the Confessions tour was on and I 360 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,200 wonder actually if it was the song Live to Tell that she was 361 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,480 performing because I knew that I was familiar with Live to Tell 362 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,560 as a ballad from the radio, but I was and I it was a very 80s 363 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,880 song to me. But on this TVI was seeing this 364 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,760 pop star as disco Jesus on a disco ball crucifix singing this 365 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,040 song, beautiful vocals, beautiful theatrical outfits. 366 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,360 And something clicked in my head where I thought, oh, this is an 367 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:40,880 artist who takes material from her past and reinvents it. 368 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,280 And that's interesting to me. That's quite cool. 369 00:21:43,880 --> 00:22:02,040 I ran And then I watched the whole 370 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,000 thing and I was blown away. And I really think that then 371 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:12,400 made me go back to previous. I found it very fascinating that 372 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,600 she had this kind of wealth of material from her back 373 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,800 catalogue, but she was still a very contemporary artist. 374 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,120 And so I would watch these videos online of different tour 375 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,400 performances and I'd delve into the albums and I guess at some 376 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,200 point then I would go and listen to the Confessions album 377 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,760 properly. And it's interesting because 378 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,800 we've since had a bit of disco revival, haven't we? 379 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,560 A few years ago we had like, there was one year, it was like 380 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,840 the COVID year where we had Kylie, Jessie Ware, Rasheem 381 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,480 Murphy. Oh, we don't know if we talked 382 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,560 about that. Dua Lipa, They were all doing 383 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,360 these kind of disco adjacent albums. 384 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,880 Chromatica, shout to Chromatica. The Confessions came out a 385 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,360 couple of decades beyond disco, but it seemed to merge all of 386 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,120 these disco influences with things that felt very 387 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,680 contemporary to the mid 2000s, right? 388 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,640 So what was your journey with that album and falling in love 389 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,400 with Madonna? Well, Maquita, it's been a 390 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,880 journey, but it I think that Confessions was the first album, 391 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,160 full album that I experienced in real time and sorry of Madonna's 392 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,760 and fell in love with. And I remember because I'd known 393 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,520 about obviously Madonna probably ever since I could live in in my 394 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,080 living memory. Frozen and Ray of Light were 395 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:44,090 very formative for me, but I never really, I knew the 396 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:48,170 singles, but I knew it's law And that Ray of Light was probably 397 00:23:48,170 --> 00:23:53,560 the first instance of a comeback that I experienced in real time 398 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,680 and it being this celebratory moment for Madonna. 399 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,560 And then you had music, which was fine in an American life, 400 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,960 which we which we've spoken about on this pod, which was 401 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,000 kind of critically or commercially received in the way 402 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,120 that certainly Ray of Light was. And then next came Confessions. 403 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,600 And I remember this is back in the day when there would be ads 404 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,000 for albums on the TV and I, I don't know which newspaper or 405 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,480 magazine or whatever had said it, but the ad was like, it was 406 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,560 the hung up like, And then up on the screen just came these 407 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,320 words. Let's pretend it's the Guardian. 408 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,680 And this quote was believe the hype. 409 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,680 This is as good as Ray of Light. And that just really excited me 410 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,760 because I was like, Oh my God, she's come back again. 411 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,560 She came back before and now she's come back again. 412 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,680 And then I would have asked for the CD for Christmas and just 413 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,560 about it. And I just you, you had to. 414 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,080 And that was also a symptom of the time where you just listened 415 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,680 from something from beginning to end, but you had to listen to it 416 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,680 from beginning to end. And so it was the first sort of 417 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,720 fully realised Madonna product that I just loved so much. 418 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520 And people were having the same conversation that we're having 419 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,000 now back then. Is she too old? 420 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,400 Is this the last great thing she's going to do? 421 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,360 So it's actually really exciting that we're still having that 422 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:16,360 conversation. That was that sort of that idea 423 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:21,640 of it being I loved and I it's a very quick thing and I'm sure we 424 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,320 would have spoken about this in the podcast's original run, but 425 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,600 it the idea of this person coming back time and time again, 426 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,880 but in, in the instance, in the, in the confessions. 427 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,880 Era. Coming back and it being really, 428 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,400 undeniably good was just so satisfying. 429 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Like the fans loved it, sure, but like, it was a universal 430 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,560 acclaim that album received. And that was just so satisfying. 431 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,760 And that is why I think I feel satisfied again now because it's 432 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,400 just something just goes like in my little gay brain just goes 433 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,160 like it it was, it was all worth it. 434 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,520 And yeah, that's just, that's a really, it's a really exciting 435 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,160 place, I think. Yeah, that was my first instance 436 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:21,840 of Confessions. I just wanted to share actually 437 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,840 some of my favourite social media comments because we both 438 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,400 follow some very intelligent people and some very funny 439 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,280 fuckers. Ross Lohan called this album 440 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,280 Confessions 2. I should clarify a certified 441 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,200 tit. Chopper. 442 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,440 An unknown gay called Madonna, the Deborah Vance of music. 443 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,960 I saw that. Someone else I don't know, but 444 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240 popped into my feed said last night I wrote to a friend that 445 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,440 listening to this record feels like I'm reconnecting with 446 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,760 someone, that I was pre apps, pre doom scrolling. 447 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,440 And that that really hit to hear you talk about how you came to 448 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,280 the first Confessions album. That album still feels so fresh 449 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,120 to me. But it was over 20 years ago and 450 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,440 it was a pre apps, pre doing schooling life. 451 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,200 And that, yeah, this is the first time that kind of Madonna 452 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,120 has shown up in that way for me. And then my final favourite 453 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,520 comment is something that I shared with you a few weeks ago 454 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,160 in our WhatsApp conversation of violently agreeing with each 455 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,000 other. Someone left this as a comment 456 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,520 on the YouTube Confessions movie, which we haven't even 457 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,160 really discussed yet. That is, it's Cumberbatch, 458 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,240 Gwendolyn, Christie, they said for many people, some, some 459 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,200 random Assad, for many people, getting older means gradually 460 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,000 letting go of the things that define you, stepping away from 461 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,480 your ambitions, your lifestyle, your dreams and eventually 462 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,280 accepting a smaller version of yourself. 463 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,440 She has challenged the idea over and over again, and for that I'm 464 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,640 grateful to her. She's changed my perception of 465 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,000 ageing. Chills. 466 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,480 Chills because for years, while you can say mean things about 467 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,680 your siblings or your friends, but no one else can. 468 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,680 That's very much Madonna for me. I will bat for her if someone 469 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,800 else calls her old. But inside I'm thinking 470 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,680 actually, maybe is she a little bit old? 471 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,440 But no. Time and time again she proves 472 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,280 us wrong. We don't have to reduce our 473 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,520 ambitions or our dreams because of ageing. 474 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,800 And I don't know if that's because of the life stage that 475 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,280 we're at right now where we're in our prime, but we don't want 476 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,960 to. I don't want to not be in a 477 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040 prime. Life will change, but I don't. 478 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480 Yes, why should I not be in my prime 20 years from now? 479 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Let me slack language plus one that and ask you something. 480 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,960 We were talking earlier about the fact that this is obviously 481 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:52,080 a very autobiographical piece. Do you think I'm building on 482 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,120 that, that another reason that it's resonating so much, that 483 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,240 it's clicking so much is that it's I would go beyond it being 484 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760 autobiographical and I would say it's her thesis. 485 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,200 She it's the thesis of her entire career in I feel so free 486 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,240 at the beginning. She literally says it's one of 487 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,240 the first things she says. Sometimes I like to create a new 488 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600 persona and that is the. Sometimes. 489 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,920 Yeah, regularly in five years she speaks about throughout the 490 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,880 album. She speaks about the dance floor 491 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,280 as community, and she speaks, I think there are like four or 492 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,040 five songs with the word love in them. 493 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Like, all of it. Not only does it pick up on 494 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,360 these Sonic strands from her career, but it contains all of 495 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,640 the things that she's been talking about for 40 years 496 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,320 wrapped up in into this product. And I wonder if that might be 497 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,400 why it's really holding a punch as well, because it is the 498 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,240 crystallisation of everything that she's stood for and 499 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040 everything she's fought for and represented not only in her 500 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,760 music, but in her visuals and in her conduct for the past four 501 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,560 decades. Yeah. 502 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,800 I'd agree. I'd agree with all of that. 503 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,600 And it's violently violently. But all of that is wrapped up in 504 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,480 fun. It's also fun. 505 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,200 It's a fun album. In. 506 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,640 The last few years she's done a fair bit of looking back on the 507 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,520 Rebel Heart album, there were songs where she looked they 508 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,440 weren't fun, they would let down her guard. 509 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,040 They were dark. They were they weren't very, 510 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,680 they weren't very interesting to listen to, But this is fun. 511 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680 It's joyful. And even when love sensation was 512 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:40,480 dropped a couple of weeks ago, my body was just filled with 513 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,440 euphoria. But I was like, this is this, 514 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,560 this could be a little bit of a throwaway ditty. 515 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,480 This isn't really very substantial. 516 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040 And I was like, I don't fucking careless, just enjoy it. 517 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,480 She's making fun pop music. This is what people have been 518 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680 asking for forever. So Speaking of, shall we get 519 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,320 into it? Shall we talk about? 520 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920 Doesn't have to be chronologically, but it probably 521 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,440 makes sense with the way the album goes. 522 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,240 What are like your standouts? How many would you like me to 523 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,720 pick? Shall we move through it? 524 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,400 Because for me the album is, I see like thirds to this album. 525 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,320 I get like from I Feel So Free through to everything. 526 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,920 There's a bit of a vibe and a storyline and everything kind of 527 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,920 ends in a bit of a dark place. But then we're lifted up through 528 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,280 the light to love sensation and I see a bit of a chapter there 529 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,320 through to maybe school, and then certainly from Fragile 530 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,680 onwards the dance party is over and we've gone more 531 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,760 introspective and calm down South in that first third. 532 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,360 What do you reckon? I think in that first third, I 533 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,640 feel so free. When it first came out, I was 534 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160 like, oh, I love this. I love the Donna Summer of it. 535 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720 I love the future lovers. We're talking about Sonic 536 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840 siblings, right? That is a Sonic sibling with the 537 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,440 original confessions for sure. Forget your. 538 00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:04,640 Problems administration. And I love as a sort of I liked 539 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,920 it as AI liked it as a stand alone, but I love it as the 540 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,440 opener. I love it. 541 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440 Other highlights for me, I've got a shout out Bring your love 542 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,800 with Sabrina Carpenter. When I first heard it, I was 543 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,520 like, what's that thing that's like scratching my brain? 544 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,560 And I wasn't until I listened to it again as part of the whole 545 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,560 piece. Does it interpolate good life by 546 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:36,730 inner city? And that is that that kind of 547 00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:40,890 90s that it makes me think of the not mentioned in that 548 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,890 cetera, but it makes me think of ruin Michelle ruling New York, 549 00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:50,290 that kind of untouchable unknowable for us New York. 550 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:53,410 It just, it really excites. Me, I didn't realise until she 551 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:56,290 said this in an interview the other day with one Bob the Drag 552 00:32:56,290 --> 00:32:59,090 Queen. That song is literally about 553 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,840 everything we've talked about with this kind of being forced 554 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,920 to work with record label Hot Young Things of the Minute and 555 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,680 think about streaming numbers and following trends, which to 556 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,600 us is the antithesis of Madonna. Is it for? 557 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,280 You. Is it for them? 558 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,480 I know where the bodies are buried. 559 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,040 I have so much more respect for that song now. 560 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,080 And then the final sort of big hit for me in that first act 561 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,840 that you were talking about is Danceteria. 562 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,320 I just it feel I could not stop smiling when I first listened to 563 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,560 it. And the same goes for every 564 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,640 subsequent listen now. Roger than David Gern leave 52's 565 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,520 head lounge 'cause you have so much to walk on the wild. 566 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,200 Side so moving into the second act, we've talked about love 567 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,640 sensation. I think Love Sensation is her 568 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,760 tribute. She spends a lot of this album 569 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,880 talking about people from her past, her brother, her 570 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,440 stepmother, all of the cameos on Dansateria. 571 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120 But I think Love Sensations about her current love. 572 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,000 I think she's been with a guy for a few years now. 573 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,560 I don't really know too much about him, but I think that's 574 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,840 like a love song for him. Bizarre is about Sean Penn. 575 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920 Did that click for you? Did click. 576 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:24,320 That did click for me, Yeah. And if you listen to bizarre, I 577 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,560 think Bizarre and sorry, Sonic siblings, because there's a kind 578 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,239 of it's there's like a there's that kind of like rhythmic, but 579 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,600 there was something in the lyrics to bizarre that clicked 580 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,000 with me. What did she say? 581 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,520 There's something that was so Sean movie star. 582 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,600 With deep blue eyes and Hollywood were a perfect price. 583 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,800 Loved love without words and that is a real sort of, again, 584 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,920 it's that that's one of the big temp holes of the thesis for me. 585 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,120 She's literally it's a love letter to dance music and the 586 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,080 fact that dance music is seen as this flippant thing sometimes, 587 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:08,040 but it is rooted in truth and tribal community coming 588 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,480 together. I love love without words and 589 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,840 it's one of the stand outs to me. 590 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,840 If not, no, no, it's not my absolute. 591 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,680 Favourite. No. 592 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,800 Allow me to be sincere for a moment. 593 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,560 To the point of nausea I find fragile. 594 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,360 Incredibly moving because it is about her brother, who died a 595 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,400 year or so ago. Yeah, you. 596 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,400 Know because when I first heard it, I was like, oh, this is this 597 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,440 sounds. I don't mean to be flipping. 598 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,400 I thought it might be about people that she might have lost 599 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,800 to age. Yeah, right. 600 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,640 It is about a queer man that she has loved and lost. 601 00:35:59,410 --> 00:36:02,970 Yeah, and maybe for Madonna, the queer man son who literally grew 602 00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:07,930 up with her looked very similar. He was a genuinely brilliant 603 00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:11,570 artist in his own right. We fans owe a lot to him for the 604 00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:13,690 Blonde Ambition tour and the Girly Show tours. 605 00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:16,880 He creatively directed those things and but he also had this 606 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,320 relationship with her where they were like that classic gay man, 607 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600 straight female best friend relationship as well. 608 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160 And quite sadly, you know, I'm sure anyone listening to this 609 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800 would know he wrote a book, a kind of towel book a few years 610 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,760 ago on about her. A bit gross. 611 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,560 Yes, I did download an illegal PDF so I've read it. 612 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,400 I didn't give him any money for it, but I remember it opens with 613 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,640 this line where he says I was born my mother's son, but I will 614 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,880 die my sister's brother. And you've got to have respect 615 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,080 for people who growing up and moving in the world in the 616 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,480 shadow of someone like Madonna would have been hard. 617 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,080 So it's I, I found this song very poignant to hear her sing 618 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,680 really beautifully about this kind of best friend who there 619 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640 was a very rocky, yeah, challenging relationship with. 620 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,920 And then the, I guess the final part of Act 2 is school, right? 621 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,520 That's where you cut the line. Well, so so I think we skipped 622 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560 school, yeah. So maybe school was the end. 623 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,880 I moved on quickly so going to school. 624 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,000 I love school lol. School is my favourite song on 625 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,240 the album. School is not only is it's just 626 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:33,800 a banger to listen to, but it feels so current and I, I don't. 627 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,440 Again, I hope it goes without saying that we are. 628 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,760 If you're looking for ageism, you've you're misinterpreting my 629 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,600 verbiage. I love and I'm blown away that 630 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,800 this song was made by a 67 year old woman. 631 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,120 It is cool and heavy. I think we spoke in our violin 632 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,800 agreement WhatsApp chats. We spoke about the fact that in 633 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,240 comparison to Confessions one, the beats throughout the album 634 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,880 are a lot heavier. It sounds and feels a bit 635 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,080 darker. And I wonder if that might be 636 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,960 because it's, I don't know, the state of the world. 637 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,280 But she's also spoken about the fact that she's made this album 638 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,880 because of her feelings about where we're at globally at the 639 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,720 moment. It just feels like there's more 640 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:35,200 at stake and there is more depth and perhaps kind of importance 641 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,560 and danger to things and something like school, which is 642 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,600 just vicious and Beatty and intense. 643 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,680 It really excited me. It really excites me. 644 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,520 I love that song and it's my favourite on the album 645 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,200 currently. And as you say that, I think 646 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,080 it's really amazing how this album is drenched in nostalgia 647 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,000 and looking back, but still feels so current and 648 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,680 forward-looking. It's kind of, I don't know how 649 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,080 they did it. I don't know how it can be so 650 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120 layered with all of these references from the past and 651 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,360 specifically intentionally looking back. 652 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080 But then there's songs like this where you're like, it's so 653 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,720 contemporary and innovative. And look, if she just has to 654 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,560 work with Stuart Price for the rest of her career, so be it. 655 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,000 Because something like him in a room, yeah, let's just stay 656 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,440 there together. We need another one, Stuart. 657 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680 We need 1/3. My sins are my Saviour. 658 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,920 OK, when I was listening to it, because I think that on Friday 659 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,680 you'd listen to the whole thing already. 660 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,520 And I actually finally enough listen to it in three acts just 661 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,760 because I was like going to work and then on my lunch break and 662 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,880 then whatever when it clicks over into my sins and my 663 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,600 saviour. That was that planted the seed 664 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,560 to me of this is not just a sequel to Confessions because I 665 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,320 felt like I was listening to justify my love or something 666 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:22,320 from erotica. I kiss you in Paris. 667 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,760 It was just boys and girls kissing, senses hissing. 668 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,320 Sorry about I was vibrating to listen to it. 669 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,960 Thoughts on? Betrayal. 670 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,680 OK, I actually have a weird connection to betrayal. 671 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,800 The concept as well as so it's samples. 672 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaking of sampling, it samples this piece of classical music 673 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,280 that I'm not going to try and I'm not going to try and 674 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600 pronounce. OK, I don't know it from the 675 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,400 original, but are you familiar with Buddha Bar? 676 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,680 Compilation. It's giving hotel costares or 677 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,040 cafe Mambo, yes. Which is a huge part of my 678 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,640 listening ideas and my DNA. So there's a bit of our song 679 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160 that also samples that kind of classical piece. 680 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,000 And so that immediately made me go all trickily because it 681 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:31,160 speaks to that late 90s, early 2000s trip hop lounge bar kind 682 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,280 of bedtime stories time as well. So this, again, felt like we 683 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,720 were dipping into other elements of Madonna's back catalogue that 684 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,680 we weren't expecting. And that tickled a part of my 685 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,200 brain that I wasn't expecting to be hit with this album. 686 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,840 And I think it's in the third act that Madonna and Stuart 687 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,960 really start to paint up the walls and say, OK, here's the 688 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,400 thing, here's the stuff that you kind of thought was coming. 689 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,560 I'm going to give you that. And we're going to build on it 690 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,240 and make it even better and really push the joy and the 691 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,960 storytelling. But then in this third act, 692 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,560 we're going to go even further and I am really grateful for 693 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,200 that because it's not it that I think pushes it to another level 694 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,000 that Confessions 1 doesn't go. I agree. 695 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,080 I agree. So let's move on to which I 696 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,240 think is something which could have been a disaster as you 697 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,840 thought, I think as well the test. 698 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,080 Little star, I tried to put you on a pedestal. 699 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,320 You didn't ask for all the flashing lights. 700 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,600 Little *. We spoke about the fact that 701 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,680 Little Star on Ray of Light, which is about Lordez, is the 702 00:42:49,680 --> 00:43:06,480 penultimate song on the album and it's the same with The Test 703 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,600 and I don't think that's a coincidence. 704 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,040 Agreed, I know that it's been well documented that this was a 705 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,120 come to Jesus moment for the two of them. 706 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,360 I don't quite know what the sort of fractures were in their 707 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080 relationship before. I can't imagine it's easy having 708 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:28,960 a mother like Madonna. But it is this really lovely, 709 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,240 simple song that I think seems to meet them both where they're 710 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:40,000 at, because Lord has had a few songs herself and obviously has 711 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,760 never reached the levels that her mother has. 712 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,200 And I don't think probably wants to. 713 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,360 But I found it such a lovely and authentic collaboration. 714 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,280 And you know what? I struggled to figure out who 715 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,120 was who. Wow. 716 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,400 Really. Yeah, Yeah. 717 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,640 I thought that was a real sweet addition that I wasn't 718 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000 particularly looking forward to because it could have been 719 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,800 dreadful. And it was. 720 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,520 It was really, it was the opposite. 721 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,720 It's so beautiful. Yeah. 722 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,560 Really special. And then to end look, I get a 723 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,960 bit emotional at this song, LES. It. 724 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:27,670 Opens up with the kind of background noise of what I 725 00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:32,590 imagine is New York. It's like the buses creaking and 726 00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:37,110 St noise and bins clattering. And going back to what we said 727 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:41,830 about how this album is what maybe she wanted the film or TV 728 00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:46,360 show to be, she's beyond anything she's ever referenced 729 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,920 before. She's talking about that young 730 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,920 girl who was a nobody living in like a bedsit and kind of having 731 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,480 this boyfriend who played acoustic guitar or whatever and 732 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,120 was really creative artistically. 733 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,440 But there was a point where she realised that he would limit her 734 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,560 own ambitions, her own bond ambitions, and she knew she had 735 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,920 to get rid to be the person that she went on to be. 736 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,840 And that's a really special song for me. 737 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,280 It's like an acoustic song. So to end this big dance record 738 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,880 with this very introspective, personal song that again, I 739 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,760 think could have been a bit naff, it could have been a bit 740 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,120 corny. But I think it's the very 741 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,640 sincere side of the coin to something like Dansateria. 742 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,280 It's very kind of pure and honest and Lower East Side, Boy, 743 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,040 I wasn't meant for you. I think it is absolute 744 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,200 perfection in how to end an album like this. 745 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:43,880 I agree and it really it actually tapped into some early 746 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,440 oral fixation law for me. Do you remember what what we 747 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,080 what album we spoke about in episode 2 of Oral? 748 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,040 Fixation. The Velvet Underground. 749 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,360 Yes, that song. It makes me think of Sunday 750 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:11,040 morning Sunday. That sort of that come down in 751 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,440 New York that trickily like untenable easing out of the 752 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,880 party. And you know, the read walk on 753 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,280 the wild side is referenced or sampled in that story as well. 754 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,000 There are three lines there. And it really, when I first 755 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,080 listened to her, I was like, oh, it's a bit of a downer to end 756 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,000 the album on this, but it makes perfect sense. 757 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,440 And I also wonder if it is this sort of the ending of her 758 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,880 thesis, which is everything fades away. 759 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,840 And I hope that it's not to pick up on what I asked you at the 760 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,560 beginning of this episode. I hope it's not her kind of swan 761 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,400 song, but it felt like perhaps it might be. 762 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,080 I don't know. And. 763 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:14,040 I think maybe I might be OK if this is the way to go out high 764 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,080 to end on. She's having so much fun. 765 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,480 The other night we saw scenes from the launch party in London 766 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,840 where every queer and hag in London was at this party with 767 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,760 mother's legs blown up. Allah Jerry Halliwell at the 768 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,040 Brits if you will. And she's dancing on stage while 769 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,360 Honey Dijon plays remixes of early 80s Madonna songs. 770 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,080 And she's singing along and she's having an absolute blast. 771 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,560 And I don't care if she can't dance like she did when she was 772 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,320 in her 40s. I don't care if her voice has 773 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,880 changed. She's having so much fun. 774 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,240 She's with her people. She's surrounded by Stagger 775 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,960 Tree. She looks amazing. 776 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,880 Whoever her creative collaborators are at this point 777 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,200 in time, it's working. As a fan who has made it through 778 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,800 the wilderness, somehow we made it through. 779 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,400 I'm just so I just have to enjoy the now. 780 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,440 We might not get something like this again. 781 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,080 And I'm so grateful that she nearly died a few years ago. 782 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,520 She's two years from 70. We are lucky to be having. 783 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,920 This. So just enjoy it, soak it all 784 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,520 up. A couple of questions from me 785 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:32,280 before we wrap up. First question was is where is 786 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,440 my Kylie collab? I felt like that was hinted at. 787 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,680 I think that'll be like a bonus kind of milli. 788 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,320 Thingy. Yes, yes, OK. 789 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,920 Any we'll have to dust off the mics for that one we've. 790 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,600 Come back. I've got a question for you, 791 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,080 Drew. What's it like being back on the 792 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,560 mic? Do you miss anything about? 793 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,160 Do you miss the technical difficulties or? 794 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,000 Don't miss the Don't miss the half an hour of trying three 795 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,280 different laptops to make this work. 796 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,040 What you can't see, I don't. I tell you what, I don't miss 797 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,160 that. I don't miss it because I never 798 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,640 had it before. But the video aspect is a whole 799 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,600 new dimension to me. It sure. 800 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:17,320 Is a very complicated system of weights and pulleys to make me 801 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,960 try and look in some way presentable for an audio visual 802 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,640 format. But it has been. 803 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920 I've got to say this is no secret that it was one of the 804 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,760 great pleasures and honours of my life to share a microphone so 805 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,440 long. So to get back on the mic and 806 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,480 have a discussion about mother with you has just been the 807 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,200 absolute best way I could have spent my Sunday afternoon. 808 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,880 It has been a week of huge comebacks in queer culture, 809 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,800 confessions to this sort of oral fixation, tracks of our Queers 810 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,880 collab. We don't know what the future 811 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,720 holds. This might not be the last time 812 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,440 that your voice is heard in the Tracks of our Queers feed. 813 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,520 So more on that to come back. Liz, we basically did this for 814 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,560 you, so I hope you enjoyed it. Yeah. 815 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,680 Thanks, Liz. Yeah. 816 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,440 Blank based friend. Send us an e-mail please. 817 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,960 Our inbox is DRY. Don't get to listen to tracks of 818 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,840 our quiz, Andy, can you give us any hints or little tidbits at 819 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,160 the upcoming season? You've always been the first 820 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,680 person to listen, first person to give feedback, and so I'm 821 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,240 always hesitant to share with you hints and guests because I 822 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,160 want it to be a surprise for you. 823 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,840 But I'm going to leave you with two words. 824 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,120 Go on. Bette Midler, you are kidding. 825 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,920 Me. You. 826 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,320 You hadn't be punky. I haven't interviewed Bette 827 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,560 Midler, but that's the clue. Bette Midler is the clue. 828 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,440 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 829 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,560 OK, OK. And that ties us right back to 830 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,920 episode one. Overall fixation. 831 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,600 There you go. And that is our thesis, Drew 832 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,520 where? Can if this is someone who's 833 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,200 been listening to you for the first time, where can folk find 834 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,480 more from you? Welcome, more than welcome to 835 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,120 follow my my descent into. Hysteria. 836 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,240 Hysteria. Despair on Instagram. 837 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,840 My Instagram handle is with all Drew respect, with little full 838 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,680 stops in between each one. Yeah, coming John. 839 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,000 I'm I think about four or five followers away from hitting 1K. 840 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,720 So if this is the thing that ticks me over, that will be 841 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,240 it'll be all worth it. What's your favourite AF episode 842 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,880 if you were to share with a new listener who's like Give Me 843 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,040 More? Such a good question. 844 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,120 Do you know what I did listen to the, funnily enough, the Madonna 845 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,120 episode that we did with Maxi Shields after she passed 846 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,440 recently. But I would say yeah, the ABBA 847 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,320 episode is an absolute hoot. I love our Liza Minnelli episode 848 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,960 with Trevor Ashley, how about you? 849 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,840 Two in the pink, one in the stink. 850 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,520 That was our last one. No, my my absolute favourite is 851 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,400 Sinead O'Connor in a hijab on Good Morning Britain is Queer. 852 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:19,120 Yeah, which it is? It is that's that's a non 853 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,320 negotiable. Where can people find you? 854 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,880 You better find me at Tracks of Our Queers or Andrew, do you 855 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,160 think you are? And yeah, I'm so excited that 856 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,600 this has been a pure joy. No better way to spend a Sunday 857 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,160 afternoon. And do you know what the 858 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,600 absolute best thing about all this is? 859 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,680 You don't have to depress anymore. 860 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,640 Thank you to my best friend Drew for hopping back on the mic. 861 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,280 You may hear more from him and his queer tracks in the future. 862 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,280 Who knows? This episode of oral fixation 863 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,600 slash Tracks of Our Queers was recorded on, well, Rajouri and 864 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,200 Larakia Lant. You can e-mail me at 865 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,800 tracksofourqueers@gmail.com and see you in a few weeks for 866 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,480 Season 7.